From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Mon Nov  1 05:13:25 2010
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 07:13:25 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Orphaned Cars To Drive Before You Die
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http://www.caranddriver.com/features/10q4/10_orphaned_cars_to_drive_before_y
ou_die-feature

Hope this is not a re-post.

Enjoy.

Duke
B382002037

From awtiger at cox.net  Mon Nov  1 07:04:01 2010
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 10:04:01 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Orphaned Cars To Drive Before You Die
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Excellent find, Duke!!!  That was a great article and, of course, I especially enjoyed the part dealing with the Tiger.  I see the car has now graduated from "the poor man's Cobra" to "the thinking man's Cobra!"  

Take care,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740

 
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> ou_die-feature
> 
> Hope this is not a re-post.
> 
> Enjoy.
> 
> Duke
> B382002037
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From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Mon Nov  1 08:29:38 2010
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 08:29:38 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Guldstrand Tiger B9470570 LRXFE
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The yellow Shelby American Tiger got really beat up. It took 3 pretty hard
front end crashes where most of the damage was to the right front. It crashed
twice in May, 1964 at Laguna Seca. Then its last crash was at the Nassau Speed
Week in December 1964. Rootes had invested something like $40K in it and
wanted to continue its racing program in 1965 with Sports Car Forum. Together
they decided to start with a fresh tub. Literature describes the old tub as
"all used up". In a letter written in January, 1965, John Panks described it
as a total racing loss.

Lew Spencer told us about his second crash at Laguna Seca. "I came over the
hill, every time a bit faster. And then I lost it and went off. I really hit
hard. I was shook up. I got out of the Tiger and tried to stand, I couldn't. I
tried leaning against it. I couldn't. So I slid down the side and sat on the
ground, leaning against the door. I couldn't even do that so I laid on the
ground. About then the track doctor drove up and asked, 'Lew, are you OK?' I
managed to to get out, 'Yeah, I think so.' He said, 'Good!' and drove off!"

This was the event that some (Friedman, et al) have described as "Lew's last
race in a Tiger" which is also mistaken. Over the next 5 months, Lew actually
raced the Shelby Tiger about a half dozen times before it was transferred to
Sports Car Forum.

Buck Trippel
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: michael king
  To: Buck Trippel
  Cc: Jeffrey Nichols ; tigers at autox.team.net
  Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 11:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] Guldstrand Tiger B9470570 LRXFE


  Buck,

  Why did they want the tub of the shelby car destroyed? Was the shelby car in
an accident at some point ( i think i remember hearing that)


  On 1 November 2010 13:08, Buck Trippel <BuckTrippel at verizon.net> wrote:

    It's an interesting story but part of it is not true - at least according
to Lew Spencer himself.

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Nov  1 10:10:18 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:10:18 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Guldstrand Tiger B9470570 LRXFE
In-Reply-To: <E985DB0981364154AA2323A561D7A2CA@BucksLaptop>
Message-ID: <1E3C75E5681540F489A649BE38FD4B78@ronpc1>

Buck
	Lots of great history.   You should write this up somewhere with all
the details so more of the story is documented.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Buck Trippel
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 11:30 AM
To: michael king
Cc: Jeffrey Nichols; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Guldstrand Tiger B9470570 LRXFE


The yellow Shelby American Tiger got really beat up. It took 3 pretty hard
front end crashes where most of the damage was to the right front. It
crashed twice in May, 1964 at Laguna Seca. Then its last crash was at the
Nassau Speed Week in December 1964. Rootes had invested something like $40K
in it and wanted to continue its racing program in 1965 with Sports Car
Forum. Together they decided to start with a fresh tub. Literature describes
the old tub as "all used up". In a letter written in January, 1965, John
Panks described it as a total racing loss.

Lew Spencer told us about his second crash at Laguna Seca. "I came over the
hill, every time a bit faster. And then I lost it and went off. I really hit
hard. I was shook up. I got out of the Tiger and tried to stand, I couldn't.
I tried leaning against it. I couldn't. So I slid down the side and sat on
the ground, leaning against the door. I couldn't even do that so I laid on
the ground. About then the track doctor drove up and asked, 'Lew, are you
OK?' I managed to to get out, 'Yeah, I think so.' He said, 'Good!' and drove
off!"

This was the event that some (Friedman, et al) have described as "Lew's last
race in a Tiger" which is also mistaken. Over the next 5 months, Lew
actually raced the Shelby Tiger about a half dozen times before it was
transferred to Sports Car Forum.

Buck Trippel
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: michael king
  To: Buck Trippel
  Cc: Jeffrey Nichols ; tigers at autox.team.net
  Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 11:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] Guldstrand Tiger B9470570 LRXFE


  Buck,

  Why did they want the tub of the shelby car destroyed? Was the shelby car
in an accident at some point ( i think i remember hearing that)


  On 1 November 2010 13:08, Buck Trippel <BuckTrippel at verizon.net> wrote:

    It's an interesting story but part of it is not true - at least
according to Lew Spencer himself.
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From twotigers at verizon.net  Mon Nov  1 11:07:27 2010
From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith)
Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 11:07:27 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Guldstrand Tiger B9470570 LRXFE
In-Reply-To: <E985DB0981364154AA2323A561D7A2CA@BucksLaptop>
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I have two different Friedman photos- one of each crash.  As I recall, John
Morton said the crashes were on two different days, also.  

The first crash wasn't too bad.  The second crash (in almost the identical
spot) shows a lot more sheet metal damage, the front end bent and the outer
part of the steering wheel broken from the center hub.  No wonder Lew was
hurting so badly!  He hit the steering wheel hard enough with his chest to
break the outer ring away from the center hub!!

Kirk  

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Buck Trippel
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 8:30 AM
To: michael king
Cc: Jeffrey Nichols; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Guldstrand Tiger B9470570 LRXFE

The yellow Shelby American Tiger got really beat up. It took 3 pretty hard
front end crashes where most of the damage was to the right front. It
crashed
twice in May, 1964 at Laguna Seca. Then its last crash was at the Nassau
Speed
Week in December 1964. Rootes had invested something like $40K in it and
wanted to continue its racing program in 1965 with Sports Car Forum.
Together
they decided to start with a fresh tub. Literature describes the old tub as
"all used up". In a letter written in January, 1965, John Panks described it
as a total racing loss.

Lew Spencer told us about his second crash at Laguna Seca. "I came over the
hill, every time a bit faster. And then I lost it and went off. I really hit
hard. I was shook up. I got out of the Tiger and tried to stand, I couldn't.
I
tried leaning against it. I couldn't. So I slid down the side and sat on the
ground, leaning against the door. I couldn't even do that so I laid on the
ground. About then the track doctor drove up and asked, 'Lew, are you OK?' I
managed to to get out, 'Yeah, I think so.' He said, 'Good!' and drove off!"

This was the event that some (Friedman, et al) have described as "Lew's last
race in a Tiger" which is also mistaken. Over the next 5 months, Lew
actually
raced the Shelby Tiger about a half dozen times before it was transferred to
Sports Car Forum.

Buck Trippel
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: michael king
  To: Buck Trippel
  Cc: Jeffrey Nichols ; tigers at autox.team.net
  Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 11:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] Guldstrand Tiger B9470570 LRXFE


  Buck,

  Why did they want the tub of the shelby car destroyed? Was the shelby car
in
an accident at some point ( i think i remember hearing that)


  On 1 November 2010 13:08, Buck Trippel <BuckTrippel at verizon.net> wrote:

    It's an interesting story but part of it is not true - at least
according
to Lew Spencer himself.
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From tigger at missiongranite.com  Mon Nov  1 09:46:21 2010
From: tigger at missiongranite.com (Alan Zeni)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 09:46:21 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Vacuum line
Message-ID: <000f01cb79e4$510dbbb0$d7a2d748@mgserver>

Is an original distributor vacuum line worth saving as there are repros
available in the mustang community?

Thanks.

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Nov  1 13:21:27 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 16:21:27 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Vacuum line
In-Reply-To: <000f01cb79e4$510dbbb0$d7a2d748@mgserver>
Message-ID: <5DD8B93F4CFF402E893E1EE452437E2C@ronpc1>

Alan
	First rule of Tiger restoration: Never ever throw away or exchange
an original Tiger part, it is your only clue to the way it is suppose to be.
Many parts claim to be exact reproductions but for the Tiger they maybe just
slightly different and that difference matters in most cases.

2nd rule: as you are about to throw that original part out refer to the 1st
rule and obey.

The original Tiger distributor vacuum line has a threaded tube nut on each
end and granted many of us no longer have original parts to attach this
vacuum line but I prefer to abide by the 1st rule.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Alan Zeni
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 12:46 PM
To: tiger
Subject: [Tigers] Vacuum line


Is an original distributor vacuum line worth saving as there are repros
available in the mustang community?

Thanks.
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Nov  1 14:55:33 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 08:55:33 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Orphaned Cars To Drive Before You Die
In-Reply-To: <20101101100401.1XC2N.2366766.imail@eastrmwml45>
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It was interesting to see the holden topping the list. They might be rare in
the states but they are plentiful here and still being made in now more
powerful versions. The sad thing for the USA buyers is in the re--brand they
gave them ugly fronts. I saw the test cars kicking around melbourne a while
back.

As a side note if people want one they still export them to dubai as LHD.

Visit holdens HSV website to see what they are up to these days.

On 2 November 2010 01:04, <awtiger at cox.net> wrote:

> Excellent find, Duke!!!  That was a great article and, of course, I
> especially enjoyed the part dealing with the Tiger.  I see the car has now
> graduated from "the poor man's Cobra" to "the thinking man's Cobra!"
>
> Take care,
> Andy Walker
> Edmond, OK
> B382001600LRXFE
> TAC #740
>
>
> ---- wsamouce <wsamouce at kc.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> http://www.caranddriver.com/features/10q4/10_orphaned_cars_to_drive_before_y
> > ou_die-feature
> >
> > Hope this is not a re-post.
> >
> > Enjoy.
> >
> > Duke
> > B382002037
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-- 
Regards

Michael King

From denismercier at telvic.net  Mon Nov  1 15:42:26 2010
From: denismercier at telvic.net (denis mercier)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 18:42:26 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] C9DZ-8600-A
Message-ID: <DBDA2330EB584A65A9FFDD88A31501B5@D7F0WHF1>

Hi Listers.
His someone have for sale a C9DZ-8600-A  Maverick fan or know where can i find
one .
           Thanks!
           Denis.

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov  1 18:50:51 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 21:50:51 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Guldstrand Tiger B9470570 LRXFE
In-Reply-To: <1E3C75E5681540F489A649BE38FD4B78@ronpc1>
References: <E985DB0981364154AA2323A561D7A2CA@BucksLaptop>
	<1E3C75E5681540F489A649BE38FD4B78@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <6BF66DBF5A2D4BFBB08C36072543446B@jeffnicholsPC>

It would be great if someone could put together a book like "The Works
Tigers" for the USA Rootes factory race cars.  Include the Guldstrand and
Tom Patton's car to make it complete.


                                         Jeff  

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 1:10 PM
To: 'Buck Trippel'; 'michael king'
Cc: 'Jeffrey Nichols'; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Guldstrand Tiger B9470570 LRXFE

Buck
	Lots of great history.   You should write this up somewhere with all
the details so more of the story is documented.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Buck Trippel
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 11:30 AM
To: michael king
Cc: Jeffrey Nichols; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Guldstrand Tiger B9470570 LRXFE


The yellow Shelby American Tiger got really beat up. It took 3 pretty hard
front end crashes where most of the damage was to the right front. It
crashed twice in May, 1964 at Laguna Seca. Then its last crash was at the
Nassau Speed Week in December 1964. Rootes had invested something like $40K
in it and wanted to continue its racing program in 1965 with Sports Car
Forum. Together they decided to start with a fresh tub. Literature describes
the old tub as "all used up". In a letter written in January, 1965, John
Panks described it as a total racing loss.

Lew Spencer told us about his second crash at Laguna Seca. "I came over the
hill, every time a bit faster. And then I lost it and went off. I really hit
hard. I was shook up. I got out of the Tiger and tried to stand, I couldn't.
I tried leaning against it. I couldn't. So I slid down the side and sat on
the ground, leaning against the door. I couldn't even do that so I laid on
the ground. About then the track doctor drove up and asked, 'Lew, are you
OK?' I managed to to get out, 'Yeah, I think so.' He said, 'Good!' and drove
off!"

This was the event that some (Friedman, et al) have described as "Lew's last
race in a Tiger" which is also mistaken. Over the next 5 months, Lew
actually raced the Shelby Tiger about a half dozen times before it was
transferred to Sports Car Forum.

Buck Trippel
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: michael king
  To: Buck Trippel
  Cc: Jeffrey Nichols ; tigers at autox.team.net
  Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 11:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] Guldstrand Tiger B9470570 LRXFE


  Buck,

  Why did they want the tub of the shelby car destroyed? Was the shelby car
in an accident at some point ( i think i remember hearing that)


  On 1 November 2010 13:08, Buck Trippel <BuckTrippel at verizon.net> wrote:

    It's an interesting story but part of it is not true - at least
according to Lew Spencer himself.
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Tue Nov  2 08:47:07 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 08:47:07 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] C9DZ-8600-A
References: <DBDA2330EB584A65A9FFDD88A31501B5@D7F0WHF1>
Message-ID: <8DF5CDA687024901AF642517C349C3B7@student2>

Denis,

  I don't know if they are still available directly from Ford, but I'm 
thinking with the years it was manufactured the answer is, "no."  That said 
I have searched the local self serve yards for about 10 years (around 10 
trips a year) before I finally found one.

  I was so ecstatic (I paid $8) I posted my find to the list.  Someone 
replied back that they actually had a fair number of them.  Hopefully that 
person is still on the list???

Tom 

From jd.sencindiver at gmail.com  Tue Nov  2 08:52:54 2010
From: jd.sencindiver at gmail.com (Jim Sencindiver)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 11:52:54 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Orphaned Cars To Drive Before You Die
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I'm lucky enough to have a 2009 G8 GT, down about 55 hp to the GXP.  It is
by far the best Pontiac I have EVER driven.  I'm also have a Mk II Tiger.
Yes, I'm addicted to speed/hp!


Keep on Tigering!
Jim Sencindiver

B382100451/TAC 448
http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 5:55 PM, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>wrote:

> It was interesting to see the holden topping the list. They might be rare
> in
> the states but they are plentiful here and still being made in now more
> powerful versions. The sad thing for the USA buyers is in the re--brand
> they
> gave them ugly fronts. I saw the test cars kicking around melbourne a while
> back.
>
> As a side note if people want one they still export them to dubai as LHD.
>
> Visit holdens HSV website to see what they are up to these days.
>
> On 2 November 2010 01:04, <awtiger at cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Excellent find, Duke!!!  That was a great article and, of course, I
> > especially enjoyed the part dealing with the Tiger.  I see the car has
> now
> > graduated from "the poor man's Cobra" to "the thinking man's Cobra!"
> >
> > Take care,
> > Andy Walker
> > Edmond, OK
> > B382001600LRXFE
> > TAC #740

From jliny5 at cox.net  Tue Nov  2 16:07:54 2010
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 19:07:54 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Mk1 Soft Cover Compartment
Message-ID: <DB69E3EC438348E5BCE3ACDE9D16151B@JPC>

Hi All

I have noticed that on my Mk1 the edges of the side and rear body panels of
the soft cover compartment seem to suffer excessively from wear and tear, to
the point where they are chipped along the edges, especially at the corners of
the panels where side and rear panel come together. I have noticed this on
some other Mk1's as well. As much as I like the look of the a soft cover
compartment with the hard body panels, the entire set up seems somewhat
ill-conceived. When opening or closing the compartment I find it is almost
impossible to not rub the edges of the side and rear panels against each
other, often adversely impacting the paint finish at the corners or along the
edges of these panels.

I was just curious if others have experienced this and what if anything can be
done about it...other than always driving with the top down. The finish on the
rest of the car is awesome and I want to get the panels refinished...but I
worry about the same thing happening again the first time I open and close the
compartment.

Thanks,

Jim Lindner
B9470033

From allanballard at att.net  Tue Nov  2 16:39:01 2010
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 19:39:01 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Which header?
In-Reply-To: <8DF5CDA687024901AF642517C349C3B7@student2>
References: <DBDA2330EB584A65A9FFDD88A31501B5@D7F0WHF1>
	<8DF5CDA687024901AF642517C349C3B7@student2>
Message-ID: <A47D2AFA-8F24-4308-B2E2-522C781F04E9@att.net>

What diameter header works best?

There are various headers available for a Tiger - is one any better than the
others?

Thanks in advance,

Allan Ballard

Atlanta, GA
Mk1a Tiger

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Tue Nov  2 16:40:11 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 18:40:11 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Mk1 Soft Cover Compartment
In-Reply-To: <DB69E3EC438348E5BCE3ACDE9D16151B@JPC>
References: <DB69E3EC438348E5BCE3ACDE9D16151B@JPC>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E1946667@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

Hi James,

Get some of the do-it-yourself vinyl stone chip protective film and cut it to
fit the edges of the compartment covers where they can touch each other.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Lindner
> Sent: November 2, 2010 5:08 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Mk1 Soft Cover Compartment
>
> Hi All
>
> I have noticed that on my Mk1 the edges of the side and rear body
> panels of
> the soft cover compartment seem to suffer excessively from wear and
> tear, to
> the point where they are chipped along the edges, especially at the
> corners of
> the panels where side and rear panel come together. I have noticed this
> on


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From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Tue Nov  2 17:26:55 2010
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2010 17:26:55 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Which header?
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A month or two ago, Alex Gabbard posted that he picked up 31 HP and a 25 lb. 
of torque by switching to CAT headers from the stock manifolds. This is the 
only Tiger header test that I've heard of.

bt

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Allan Ballard" <allanballard at att.net>
To: "Beamclub TIGER" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 4:39 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Which header?


> What diameter header works best?
>
> There are various headers available for a Tiger - is one any better than 
> the
> others?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Allan Ballard
>
> Atlanta, GA
> Mk1a Tiger
> _______________________________________________

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Nov  2 19:05:37 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 13:05:37 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Which header?
In-Reply-To: <0DBB2632F13C43F18E2541AC8D35AD65@BucksLaptop>
References: <DBDA2330EB584A65A9FFDD88A31501B5@D7F0WHF1>
	<8DF5CDA687024901AF642517C349C3B7@student2>
	<A47D2AFA-8F24-4308-B2E2-522C781F04E9@att.net>
	<0DBB2632F13C43F18E2541AC8D35AD65@BucksLaptop>
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For what its worth there was a comparison in the chitton (sp?)
book "performace tunning the tiger". It compared the LAT headers v Tri Y
versions and talked of the low end high end torque/power gains. The
interesting thing was that Alex's real world dyno comparison showed a
slightly different result.

I'd say that choosing between Sunbeam Specs headers and CAT would not be a
huge difference.. not sure if there are others out there off the shelf for
the Tiger, but going with the known dealers will net you roughly the same
result.. and they will fit.

On 3 November 2010 11:26, Buck Trippel <BuckTrippel at verizon.net> wrote:

> A month or two ago, Alex Gabbard posted that he picked up 31 HP and a 25
> lb. of torque by switching to CAT headers from the stock manifolds. This is
> the only Tiger header test that I've heard of.
>
> bt
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Ballard" <allanballard at att.net>
> To: "Beamclub TIGER" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 4:39 PM
> Subject: [Tigers] Which header?
>
>
>
> What diameter header works best?
>>
>> There are various headers available for a Tiger - is one any better than
>> the
>> others?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Allan Ballard
>>
>> Atlanta, GA
>> Mk1a Tiger
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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Michael King

From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  2 21:10:03 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 00:10:03 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Which header?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=AX+rVubKJ51YFbw7fQktgng7cA1VnLwBcoTUC@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DBDA2330EB584A65A9FFDD88A31501B5@D7F0WHF1>
	<8DF5CDA687024901AF642517C349C3B7@student2>
	<A47D2AFA-8F24-4308-B2E2-522C781F04E9@att.net>
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Can't speak to any power gain, but I can verify that the Sunbeam Specialties
headers fit with no modification on my Mark 2. Tight, but they fit. There's
some confusion about which headers Classic MotorSports used in their Tiger
build. One time they mentioned SS, the other, C.A.T.. They had to modify a
motor mount, if memory serves. Maybe Mr. Suddard will offer a comment.

Tom

' 67 Mark 2 nearing re-birth

On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:05 PM, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>wrote:

> For what its worth there was a comparison in the chitton (sp?)
> book "performace tunning the tiger". It compared the LAT headers v Tri Y
> versions and talked of the low end high end torque/power gains. The
> interesting thing was that Alex's real world dyno comparison showed a
> slightly different result.
>
> I'd say that choosing between Sunbeam Specs headers and CAT would not be a
> huge difference.. not sure if there are others out there off the shelf for
> the Tiger, but going with the known dealers will net you roughly the same
> result.. and they will fit.
>
> On 3 November 2010 11:26, Buck Trippel <BuckTrippel at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > A month or two ago, Alex Gabbard posted that he picked up 31 HP and a 25
> > lb. of torque by switching to CAT headers from the stock manifolds. This
> is
> > the only Tiger header test that I've heard of.
> >
> > bt
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Ballard" <allanballard at att.net
> >
> > To: "Beamclub TIGER" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 4:39 PM
> > Subject: [Tigers] Which header?
> >
> >
> >
> > What diameter header works best?
> >>
> >> There are various headers available for a Tiger - is one any better than
> >> the
> >> others?
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance,
> >>
> >> Allan Ballard
> >>
> >> Atlanta, GA
> >> Mk1a Tiger
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Regards
>
> Michael King
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From cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov  3 06:15:38 2010
From: cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net (Chris Richards)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 06:15:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Which header?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=AX+rVubKJ51YFbw7fQktgng7cA1VnLwBcoTUC@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <126449.22672.qm@web80502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The gain in HP is going to be similar for all the different headers.  Fit for
the SS or CAT (Sanderson Style) requires a bit of shave of the cast motor
mount.  You will also need to use your stock oil filter remote setup.  Cannon
Style headers will fit but the design is different on the left (drivers) side
which allows use of the Ford Motorsport oil filter adapter.  Cannon style has
been not available for many decades, but I have a couple of sets.  I put one
set on ebay this week to see if re-production of a couple dozen sets would be
swallowed up by Tiger (Alger) owners.
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330489785312&ss
PageName=STRK:MESELX:IT
 
Cost of reproduction should be around $6-700 possibly less for 10 or more
units.  Anyway,  the headers have stalled at $250 and have about 9 hours left
on auction.
 
Feedback?  Questions?  Anyone else using Cannon Headers or have a set
available?
 
Regards-Chris
 

I'd say that choosing between Sunbeam Specs headers and CAT would not be a
huge difference.. not sure if there are others out there off the shelf for
the Tiger, but going with the known dealers will net you roughly the same
result.. and they will fit.

On 3 November 2010 11:26, Buck Trippel <BuckTrippel at verizon.net> wrote:

> A month or two ago, Alex Gabbard posted that he picked up 31 HP and a 25
> lb. of torque by switching to CAT headers from the stock manifolds. This is
> the only Tiger header test that I've heard of.
>
> bt
>
>
>
>
> What diameter header works best?
>>
>> There are various headers available for a Tiger - is one any better than
>> the
>> others?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Allan Ballard

From Carmods at aol.com  Wed Nov  3 06:18:14 2010
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 09:18:14 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Mk1 Soft Cover Compartment
Message-ID: <ba4f2.3a7623b2.3a02bb16@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/2/2010 7:36:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jliny5 at cox.net writes:

I have noticed that on my Mk1 the edges of the side and rear body  panels of
the soft cover compartment seem to suffer excessively from wear  and tear
 
Hi Jim,
 
I covered the soft top cover panels to keep them from looking shabby due  
to nicks and cracked paint about nine years ago and it has worked out  well.
 
See attached picture. If anyone else wants to see them, let me know and I  
will send a picture.
 
John Logan

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Tiger at WHQ 6-2008.bmp]

From rab65tiger at aol.com  Wed Nov  3 07:10:56 2010
From: rab65tiger at aol.com (rab65tiger at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 10:10:56 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Which header?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiknuzUPXgOk892pmsrJHYg392m2BFO=8TZ0p3w2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DBDA2330EB584A65A9FFDD88A31501B5@D7F0WHF1><8DF5CDA687024901AF642517C349C3B7@student2><A47D2AFA-8F24-4308-B2E2-522C781F04E9@att.net><0DBB2632F13C43F18E2541AC8D35AD65@BucksLaptop><AANLkTi=AX+rVubKJ51YFbw7fQktgng7cA1VnLwBcoTUC@mail.gmail.com>
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 I have heard the SS headers are a 1 1/2 primary tube, and the CAT are 1 5/8
primary tubes.  The SS tubes may be small for aftermarket heads.  A higher
performance build, especially if using aftermarket heads with larger port size
may need the the larger tube size to assure that the ports on the heads are
not partially blocked.  I have heard both headers are good, higher performance
builds may want to consider the CAT headers, they will probably support a
little more horsepower.

Randy B


-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Parker <tkparker1941 at gmail.com>
To: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Cc: Beamclub TIGER <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Nov 2, 2010 11:10 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Which header?


Can't speak to any power gain, but I can verify that the Sunbeam Specialties

headers fit with no modification on my Mark 2. Tight, but they fit. There's

some confusion about which headers Classic MotorSports used in their Tiger

build. One time they mentioned SS, the other, C.A.T.. They had to modify a

motor mount, if memory serves. Maybe Mr. Suddard will offer a comment.



Tom



' 67 Mark 2 nearing re-birth



On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:05 PM, michael king
<michael.s.king at gmail.com>wrote:



> For what its worth there was a comparison in the chitton (sp?)

> book "performace tunning the tiger". It compared the LAT headers v Tri Y

> versions and talked of the low end high end torque/power gains. The

> interesting thing was that Alex's real world dyno comparison showed a

> slightly different result.

>

> I'd say that choosing between Sunbeam Specs headers and CAT would not be a

> huge difference.. not sure if there are others out there off the shelf for

> the Tiger, but going with the known dealers will net you roughly the same

> result.. and they will fit.

>

> On 3 November 2010 11:26, Buck Trippel <BuckTrippel at verizon.net> wrote:

>

> > A month or two ago, Alex Gabbard posted that he picked up 31 HP and a 25

> > lb. of torque by switching to CAT headers from the stock manifolds. This

> is

> > the only Tiger header test that I've heard of.

> >

> > bt

> >

> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Ballard" <allanballard at att.net

> >

> > To: "Beamclub TIGER" <tigers at autox.team.net>

> > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 4:39 PM

> > Subject: [Tigers] Which header?

> >

> >

> >

> > What diameter header works best?

> >>

> >> There are various headers available for a Tiger - is one any better than

> >> the

> >> others?

> >>

> >> Thanks in advance,

> >>

> >> Allan Ballard

> >>

> >> Atlanta, GA

> >> Mk1a Tiger

> >> _______________________________________________

> >>

> > _______________________________________________

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> >

> >

>

>

> --

> Regards

>

> Michael King

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From dave at munroe.ca  Wed Nov  3 07:28:14 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 11:28:14 -0300
Subject: [Tigers] Which header?
In-Reply-To: <126449.22672.qm@web80502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <126449.22672.qm@web80502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <76A2E628EFB74C499BE202B249F35D5D@DavePC>

Chris:

I have Canons on my Mk1A (I understand these were marketed by several 
different firms back in the day under different brands including JC Whitney) 
and they fit well without modification.

They also allow fitment of aftermarket as well as stock remote filter 
set-ups, and I currently am running a filter directly off the block. (no 
remote). Mine are at least 40 years old and counting....

However, I had my engine removed, some internal mods done and replaced this 
past spring, and the guy who re-installed the engine used two manifold 
gaskets on each side for some unknown reason, and they did then interfere 
with the engine mount on the driver's side. I adjusted the mount as much as 
possible within the limits of the bolt hole clearances, and reduced the 
length of the topmost mount-to-fender bolt, and the problem went away.

I like 'em, they look very cool with the equal length pipes, and they make 
pretty good power (317hp and 450 ft lb torque on my bored and stroked 331. I 
would likely buy a new set if they became available, as mine are getting 
pretty grubby, and the flange on cyl #4 pipe has developed a small leak.

Dave
photo available e-mail off line




From: "Chris Richards" <cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Which header?


 The gain in HP is going to be similar for all the different headers.  Fit 
for
 the SS or CAT (Sanderson Style) requires a bit of shave of the cast motor
 mount.  You will also need to use your stock oil filter remote setup. 
Cannon
 Style headers will fit but the design is different on the left (drivers) 
side
 which allows use of the Ford Motorsport oil filter adapter.  Cannon style 
has
 been not available for many decades, but I have a couple of sets.  I put 
one
 set on ebay this week to see if re-production of a couple dozen sets would 
be
 swallowed up by Tiger (Alger) owners.

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330489785312&ss PageName=STRK:MESELX:IT Cost of reproduction should be around $6-700 possibly less for 10 or more units.  Anyway,  the headers have stalled at $250 and have about 9 hoursleft on auction. Feedback?  Questions?  Anyone else using Cannon Headers or have a set available? Regards-Chris I'd say that choosing between Sunbeam Specs headers and CAT would not be a huge difference.. not sure if there are others out there off the shelf for the Tiger, but going with the known dealers will net you roughly the same result.. and they will fit.

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Cool Headers.JPG]

From barncobob at aol.com  Wed Nov  3 10:30:49 2010
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 13:30:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] are 2.88 gear sets available anywhere
Message-ID: <8CD4993FD952A11-1050-17A0@webmail-m042.sysops.aol.com>

in the world?

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Wed Nov  3 11:09:09 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 11:09:09 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] are 2.88 gear sets available anywhere
References: <8CD4993FD952A11-1050-17A0@webmail-m042.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4AE3C8EF6C374845A640C3C65B39FA0E@student2>

If  "anywhere" would include used, I got a set (ring, pinion and flange) 
about 8 years ago from Dale Akuszewski in San Bernardino, CA.  Seems he was 
stockpiling a few when he would change out gears. Many don't recommend 
swapping used gears, but I'm cheap.  Got then in within half a thousandth 
with a very similar contact pattern. Someday..., whenever..., I may actually 
get my Tiger on the road and find out how well they work.

 Otherwise, off the top of my head I think 3.07's like I have in my '64 
Studebaker Daytona may be as numerically low as they are available new.
Tom 

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Wed Nov  3 12:03:07 2010
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 19:03:07 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] are 2.88 gear sets available anywhere
In-Reply-To: <4AE3C8EF6C374845A640C3C65B39FA0E@student2>
References: <8CD4993FD952A11-1050-17A0@webmail-m042.sysops.aol.com>
	<4AE3C8EF6C374845A640C3C65B39FA0E@student2>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=nC6ic7huk7vhi4BnfX8bUhgQoJK6Dvsz_1LSU@mail.gmail.com>

unless you want drive over about 125-130 mph (of course depending on
revs and tires), 3.07 work nicely.  you may notice the lower first
gear but probably won't notice the slightly higher cruising revs in
4th.

On Wednesday, November 3, 2010, Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net> wrote:
> If  "anywhere" would include used, I got a set (ring, pinion and flange)
about 8 years ago from Dale Akuszewski in San Bernardino, CA.  Seems he was
stockpiling a few when he would change out gears. Many don't recommend
swapping used gears, but I'm cheap.  Got then in within half a thousandth with
a very similar contact pattern. Someday..., whenever..., I may actually get my
Tiger on the road and find out how well they work.
>
> Otherwise, off the top of my head I think 3.07's like I have in my '64
Studebaker Daytona may be as numerically low as they are available new.
> Tom _______________________________________________
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From TIGEROOTES at aol.com  Wed Nov  3 19:14:56 2010
From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 22:14:56 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] are 2.88 gear sets available anywhere
Message-ID: <8831f.a7fdbee.3a037120@aol.com>

Need a set?  No problem.  I'll forward your Q to a friend who has several 
original matched Tiger sets available.

Jim Leach    Pacific Tiger Club     Seattle

From alpdavegre at msn.com  Wed Nov  3 19:32:50 2010
From: alpdavegre at msn.com (DAVID GREEN)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:32:50 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Panasport Cap Tigers head insert
Message-ID: <BAY151-w621BEC091EA05897BDB4ACDE4B0@phx.gbl>

Hello all,

After completion of the LAT 9 center cap project. I have enough intrest in
doing a Panasport insert of the LAT 9 Tigers head. It will be CNC machined out
of aluminum and should be about 3/16" thick and 2" in diameter. I plan to
remove the plastic Panasport emblem and glue/epxoy the insert to the cap. The
cost will be $23 ea and shipping should be $7.50 for 1 or 20. Contact me off
list for pictures and if you want to order some. I will need a minimum of 30
to have the machinist make the run.
I have not had any complaints on the LAT 9 caps workmanship so the quality is
not an issue.
Dave Green
alpdavegre at msn.com

From crbernardino at mac.com  Thu Nov  4 06:33:59 2010
From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 06:33:59 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Carroll Shelby Loses Trademark Fight Over Cobra's Design
Message-ID: <824D009F-D649-4F5F-B7AE-41648CDBA74C@mac.com>

Thought this would be of interest to the group.
Rob


http://jalopnik.com/5681447/carroll-shelby-loses-trademark-fight-over-cobras-design

From spook01 at comcast.net  Thu Nov  4 07:29:41 2010
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 09:29:41 -0500
Subject: [Tigers]
	=?utf-8?q?Carroll_Shelby_Loses_Trademark_Fight_Over_Cobr?=
	=?utf-8?q?a=27s_Design?=
Message-ID: <20101104142853.3A0C31879F0@autox.team.net>

Shelby, after pasting his name on nearly anything that will roll, was trying to belatedly shake down the industry that helped his original car remain in the limelight. 
He has degenerated into a grasping joke of himself.
Pity.

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Date: Thu, Nov 4, 2010 08:33
Subject: [Tigers] Carroll Shelby Loses Trademark Fight Over Cobra's Design
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>

Thought this would be of interest to the group.
Rob


http://jalopnik.com/5681447/carroll-shelby-loses-trademark-fight-over-cobras-design
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From sganz at pacbell.net  Thu Nov  4 09:51:39 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 09:51:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Carroll Shelby Loses Trademark Fight Over Cobra's
 Design
In-Reply-To: <20101104142853.3A0C31879F0@autox.team.net>
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Ditto, and said nicer then I would have said it ;)

Sandy
To: Rob Bernardino <crbernardino at mac.com>; tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, November 4, 2010 7:29:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Carroll Shelby Loses Trademark Fight Over Cobra's Design

Shelby, after pasting his name on nearly anything that will roll, was trying to 
belatedly shake down the industry that helped his original car remain in the 
limelight. 

He has degenerated into a grasping joke of himself.
Pity.

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Thought this would be of interest to the group.
Rob


http://jalopnik.com/5681447/carroll-shelby-loses-trademark-fight-over-cobras-design

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From CoolVT at aol.com  Thu Nov  4 10:32:35 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 13:32:35 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Carroll Shelby Loses Trademark Fight Over Cobra's
 Design
Message-ID: <a165a.35c3e8f.3a044833@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/4/2010 1:13:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
sganz at pacbell.net writes:

helped  his original car remain in the 
limelight. 

I believe that's true. I think what's bothering him is  that he didn't 
profit from that car limelight. However it has also kept him and  his name in 
the limelight and he has profited from that.
M

From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  4 11:05:24 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 14:05:24 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Carroll Shelby Loses Trademark Fight Over Cobra's
 Design
In-Reply-To: <a165a.35c3e8f.3a044833@aol.com>
References: <a165a.35c3e8f.3a044833@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin6Pf9CL6RsR34L_-0ReoEXASwVUO+SskeUcHw=@mail.gmail.com>

He's still making Cobras, in case you haven't looked at Shelby Automotive.
He'll sell a fiberglass or aluminum skinned version to you if you want to
pay the premium.

What I like about the Tiger is there is no true "replica" market (unless you
count "Algers"). So we know how many there are. Cobras and Cobra look-alikes
are growing in numbers (if you want to include Shelby's new cars as
"Cobras"), Factory Five has sold over 7,000 roadsters (they don't call them
"Cobras"), which equals the total number of Tigers made. That's just one
company.

Tom

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 1:32 PM, <CoolVT at aol.com> wrote:

> In a message dated 11/4/2010 1:13:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> sganz at pacbell.net writes:
>
> helped  his original car remain in the
> limelight.
>
> I believe that's true. I think what's bothering him is  that he didn't
> profit from that car limelight. However it has also kept him and  his name
> in
> the limelight and he has profited from that.
> M
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From jliny5 at cox.net  Thu Nov  4 15:18:20 2010
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 18:18:20 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Paint/Body Work Help
Message-ID: <53D757796ABB42238C8090E43DEA2843@JPC>

Hi

This message is primarily for Listers in the mid-atlantic area.

Although still beautiful overall, the finish on my Mk1 is starting to show
some wear in a few spots since its 2003 restoration. I hope to get those spots
corrected this winter.

Any individual or business in the VA/MD/DC area that you would recommend to do
some light body work/painting.

Thanks

Jim Lindner
B9470033

From e.coiner at cox.net  Thu Nov  4 15:57:27 2010
From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 15:57:27 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Carroll Shelby Loses Trademark Fight Over Cobra's
 Design
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin6Pf9CL6RsR34L_-0ReoEXASwVUO+SskeUcHw=@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101104185727.S9X98.1587200.imail@fed1rmwml41>

Agreed.  I belong to our local Shelby club.  All of the members are car guys, and a lot of them have Cobra kit cars or Shelby Mustang clones.  I brought my Tiger one night and one of the members that doesn't own one of the above cars came up to me and said "You know what I like about your Tiger?"  No I replied. "Its a real car" was his answer.
My thoughts exactly.
---- Tom Parker <tkparker1941 at gmail.com> wrote: 
>> 
> What I like about the Tiger is there is no true "replica" market (unless you
> count "Algers"). So we know how many there are. Cobras and Cobra look-alikes
> are growing in numbers (if you want to include Shelby's new cars as
> "Cobras"),> Tom

From MACHWIL at aol.com  Thu Nov  4 16:48:05 2010
From: MACHWIL at aol.com (MACHWIL at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 19:48:05 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] C.A.T. swap meet
Message-ID: <7635c.58903fe6.3a04a035@aol.com>

I just want to mention the Tiger swap meet and meeting Saturday.11-6-10 at  
8 AM.
Most of you from So Cal are aware of it but it never hurts to mention  it.
 
Located in my parking lot @ 2950 Coronado St, Anaheim, Ca. 92806. Just off  
the 91 & 57 f''wys.
 
Please come and enjoy the morning. There is a general meeting around 11 AM. 
 If more info is wanted call
714-630-5003 and I'll be available Friday during the day or the morning of  
the meet.
 
Bud Williams
00490

From MACHWIL at aol.com  Fri Nov  5 09:02:28 2010
From: MACHWIL at aol.com (MACHWIL at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 12:02:28 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] C.A.T. swap meet
Message-ID: <97e4e.2f67a8c1.3a058494@aol.com>

Hi Mayf,
 
I feel I can call you that because I've followed your Bonneville career so  
closely. I'm also an elderly old "****"
 
The swap meets held here have had various results, depending on  weather. 
This year it will be great'
 
We've had everything from floor mats to a complete chassis on wheels  
(Alpine).
 
Most of the CAT officers are usually here and the club store is  
represented. My shop is open for the necessaries as well as providing heat or  shade 
as appropiate. 
 
I'm aware of the drive from Parrumph to here. We made the reverse plus  a 
little more for 20 years or more to the Pantera annual meet in Vegas.
 
Call me if I can be of any more info. 714-630=5003. I will be here all  day.
 
Bud
00490
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 11/4/2010 5:09:10 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
drmayf at mayfco.com writes:

Bud, as  one of the oldest standing members in CAT, I must profess to 
never have  been to a Tiger swap meet! So what kind of "stuff" is 
generally  swapped?  I would have to drive from Las Vegas area so 
attendance is  dependent on what might be there.

Lawrence Mayfield
AKA    drmayf

worlds fastest sunbeam: 204.912 mph flying mile, 210.779 flying  mile 
exit speed




On 11/4/2010 4:48 PM, MACHWIL at aol.com  wrote:
> I just want to mention the Tiger swap meet and meeting  Saturday.11-6-10 
at
> 8 AM.
> Most of you from So Cal are aware of  it but it never hurts to mention  
it.
>
> Located in my  parking lot @ 2950 Coronado St, Anaheim, Ca. 92806. Just 
off
> the  91&  57 f''wys.
>
> Please come and enjoy the morning.  There is a general meeting around 11 
AM.
>   If more info is  wanted call
> 714-630-5003 and I'll be available Friday during the day  or the morning 
of
> the meet.
>
> Bud Williams
>  00490
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From ora_archy at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  5 16:00:11 2010
From: ora_archy at yahoo.com (Brian Glenn)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 16:00:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Fluid?
Message-ID: <928756.89272.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

What is the preferred (and readily available) brake fluid for a stock Mk1 brake system?
Thanks,
Brian

From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  5 17:30:02 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 20:30:02 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Fluid?
In-Reply-To: <928756.89272.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <928756.89272.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinkP9sk7_y=VAMgC67Kx11oD40e5t6uqnXJrpbM@mail.gmail.com>

Brian,

A good question, and one open to interpretation, I'm sure. Rootes used
Girling "Red" in the sixties, but it's long gone. They recommended Girling,
Lockheed,  or Castrol (BP), but those were old formulations also. Today, as
best I can tell, any Dot4 fluid SHOULD work, but not Dot5. I settled on
Castrol GT/LMA Dot4 fluid, with all new flex and solid brake lines, wheel
and slave cylinders,and master cylinders (brake and clutch) and a rebuilt
booster and calipers. Can't say for sure it'll work flawlessly; the engine
hasn't been spun up yet, but contamination shouldn't be an issue. The
formulation was similar to Pennzoil, etc..  It's labeled as "synthetic" but
I think all modern Dot4 fluids are "synthetic" (which is not the same thing
as the Dot5 Silicone fluid).

I'm sure you'll see lots of opinions. Best bet: a total bleed-out of the old
fluid, and maybe some cylinder rebuilding.

Tom

' 67 Tiger 2 about to be reborn.


On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Brian Glenn <ora_archy at yahoo.com> wrote:

> What is the preferred (and readily available) brake fluid for a stock Mk1
> brake system?
> Thanks,
> Brian
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From packertl3 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  5 19:43:32 2010
From: packertl3 at yahoo.com (Terry Packer)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 19:43:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Fluid?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinkP9sk7_y=VAMgC67Kx11oD40e5t6uqnXJrpbM@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <792266.42206.qm@web110107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Brian

You'll want to consider several things. If you want to minimize your work on a currently drivable vehicle, just put in dot 3, which is almost certainly compatible with whatever previous owners have put in. If you need a high boiling point fluid for heavy duty use like racing, dot 4 is the compatible, higher boiling point item. 

But both types attract water which puddles in low spots and corrodes your brake components, like pitting your slave cylinders at each wheel. Alternatively, if all you want a stable system that works fine and never deteriorates over the long haul, silicon based dot 5 is the way to go. Fortunately for me, the previous owner installed dot 5. I've continued to use it in my regularly driven, not raced car for the past 20+ years. The advantage is that it does not attract water so every time you disassemble the brake system, the components look virtually like they did when installed. But dot 5 will not accept the heat load generated by racing. Though there are numerous fine points to weigh, these are the basic distinctions between the types. Keep in mind dot 3/4 are not mixable with dot 5. Converting to dot 5 requires a thorough drain and refill of the system. In addition, others will warn that dot 5 can damage old rubber components like slave piston seals. In
 my case, I do not believe the p.o. changed every rubber part, yet in 20+ years this has never arisen on my car. So not sure how much stock to put in this particular warning.

Good Luck
Terry Packer 
9470018

From packertl3 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  5 20:41:19 2010
From: packertl3 at yahoo.com (Terry Packer)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 20:41:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Fluid?
Message-ID: <307646.99560.qm@web110106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Brian

Your question about brake fluid caused me to re-look at some brake fluid specs and I need to correct my previous comment regarding Dot5's boiling point. It actually has a higher boiling point than most glycol based fluids which should be good for high performance apps. However, it is more compressible and more prone to aeration under vibration than glycols, both negatives for many racing applications or use in motorcycles where vibration may be more severe. I also read that it's aversion to water RESULTS in water puddling and resultant corrosion (an effect I have never observed in my car). So if you live in a damp environment and preventing corrosion is a major concern, frequently replacing a glycol fluid may be the best choice.

So knowing your car's condition, climate and how you intend to use it are all important factors in your choice of fluid. That's why I've been totally satisfied with dot 5 for a very long time, but other listers will doubtless be equally satisfied with the other grades and brands they run. 

Terry

From arado7 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov  6 04:11:37 2010
From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 04:11:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Fluid?
In-Reply-To: <928756.89272.qm@web113419.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <607364.75828.qm@web82702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I use dot 5 silicon. put it in thirty years ago. I still have my original
booster.  To install dot 5 all dot 3 or 4 must be removed.   Gary  B9472283

--- On Fri, 11/5/10, Brian Glenn <ora_archy at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Brian Glenn <ora_archy at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Fluid?
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 11:00 PM


What is the preferred (and readily available) brake fluid for a stock Mk1
brake system?
Thanks,
Brian
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From arado7 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov  6 04:39:36 2010
From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 04:39:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Fluid?
In-Reply-To: <307646.99560.qm@web110106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <829738.11675.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The US military uses Dot 5.      Vehicles must be operational after
storage.    gary  b9472283

--- On Sat, 11/6/10, Terry Packer <packertl3 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Terry Packer <packertl3 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Fluid?
To: ora_archy at yahoo.com
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, November 6, 2010, 3:41 AM


Brian

Your question about brake fluid caused me to re-look at some brake fluid specs
and I need to correct my previous comment regarding Dot5's boiling point. It
actually has a higher boiling point than most glycol based fluids which should
be good for high performance apps. However, it is more compressible and more
prone to aeration under vibration than glycols, both negatives for many racing
applications or use in motorcycles where vibration may be more severe. I also
read that it's aversion to water RESULTS in water puddling and resultant
corrosion (an effect I have never observed in my car). So if you live in a
damp environment and preventing corrosion is a major concern, frequently
replacing a glycol fluid may be the best choice.

So knowing your car's condition, climate and how you intend to use it are all
important factors in your choice of fluid. That's why I've been totally
satisfied with dot 5 for a very long time, but other listers will doubtless be
equally satisfied with the other grades and brands they run.

Terry
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sat Nov  6 05:04:57 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 23:04:57 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Fluid?
In-Reply-To: <829738.11675.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <307646.99560.qm@web110106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<829738.11675.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinzVPcQ16Tk3iE7vfCn=H=nDo560zeBRo79dJD_@mail.gmail.com>

have you had issues with the brake light switches?



On 6 November 2010 22:39, <arado7 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> The US military uses Dot 5.      Vehicles must be operational after
> storage.    gary  b9472283
>
> --- On Sat, 11/6/10, Terry Packer <packertl3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Terry Packer <packertl3 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Fluid?
> To: ora_archy at yahoo.com
> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Saturday, November 6, 2010, 3:41 AM
>
>
> Brian
>
> Your question about brake fluid caused me to re-look at some brake fluid
> specs
> and I need to correct my previous comment regarding Dot5's boiling point.
> It
> actually has a higher boiling point than most glycol based fluids which
> should
> be good for high performance apps. However, it is more compressible and
> more
> prone to aeration under vibration than glycols, both negatives for many
> racing
> applications or use in motorcycles where vibration may be more severe. I
> also
> read that it's aversion to water RESULTS in water puddling and resultant
> corrosion (an effect I have never observed in my car). So if you live in a
> damp environment and preventing corrosion is a major concern, frequently
> replacing a glycol fluid may be the best choice.
>
> So knowing your car's condition, climate and how you intend to use it are
> all
> important factors in your choice of fluid. That's why I've been totally
> satisfied with dot 5 for a very long time, but other listers will doubtless
> be
> equally satisfied with the other grades and brands they run.
>
> Terry
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From arado7 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov  6 05:37:01 2010
From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 05:37:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Fluid?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinzVPcQ16Tk3iE7vfCn=H=nDo560zeBRo79dJD_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <898999.43330.qm@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I use Dot 5 in all my vehicles that do not have ABS. I have no brake light
switch failures.   Gary  B9472283

--- On Sat, 11/6/10, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:


From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Fluid?
To: arado7 at sbcglobal.net
Cc: "Terry Packer" <packertl3 at yahoo.com>, "tigers at autox.team.net"
<tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Saturday, November 6, 2010, 12:04 PM



have you had issues with the brake light switches?


 
On 6 November 2010 22:39, <arado7 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

The US military uses Dot 5.      Vehicles must be operational after
storage.    gary  b9472283

--- On Sat, 11/6/10, Terry Packer <packertl3 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Terry Packer <packertl3 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Fluid?
To: ora_archy at yahoo.com
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, November 6, 2010, 3:41 AM





Brian

Your question about brake fluid caused me to re-look at some brake fluid
specs
and I need to correct my previous comment regarding Dot5's boiling point. It
actually has a higher boiling point than most glycol based fluids which
should
be good for high performance apps. However, it is more compressible and more
prone to aeration under vibration than glycols, both negatives for many
racing
applications or use in motorcycles where vibration may be more severe. I also
read that it's aversion to water RESULTS in water puddling and resultant
corrosion (an effect I have never observed in my car). So if you live in a
damp environment and preventing corrosion is a major concern, frequently
replacing a glycol fluid may be the best choice.

So knowing your car's condition, climate and how you intend to use it are all
important factors in your choice of fluid. That's why I've been totally
satisfied with dot 5 for a very long time, but other listers will doubtless
be
equally satisfied with the other grades and brands they run.

Terry
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From stubrennan at comcast.net  Sat Nov  6 10:44:11 2010
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 13:44:11 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust Smell
Message-ID: <000201cb7dda$3adebed0$6601a8c0@Brennan>

I put the hard top on the Tiger last weekend, then was fooling around in
the cellar for a couple minutes.  When I saw something on the cellar
wall, one of those little light bulbs appeared above my head.

 

So half an hour later I'm driving the Tiger around the area with a
Carbon Monoxide detector as a passenger.  Mine has a little LCD readout
on it to report the concentration of CO.  I tried various combinations
of windows open and closed, vents open and closed, etc.  The readout
stayed at zero, maybe hitting 3 ppm once, but other than that, zero.
There was no smell other than that of the normal interior fragrances.

 

Back home, I parked in the yard, the car idling while I fiddled with
stuff in the cubby for a minute.  Almost the same time I noticed the
exhaust smell, the CO detector went off.  Damn, that thing is loud in a
closed car.

 

OK, my trunk gasket is relatively new, and it passed the "dollar bill"
test all around.  The trunk floor is good, the only holes being the
drains under the tanks.  It is sealed around the jack points.  The
exhaust system is like new, no rust at all.  I started the Tiger outside
this morning, quite chilly here in Massachusetts, and while I got
visible vapor as the exhaust hit the cool air at the rear, there
appeared to be no leaks.  The top seals pretty good, relatively new
gaskets on that, too.  The firewall holes are all plugged.

 

So where else could the fumes be getting in?  I seem to remember mention
years back about a sneak path through the body, over the rear axel
somewhere.  Could this be my problem?

 

Stu

From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  6 11:24:34 2010
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 11:24:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust Smell
In-Reply-To: <000201cb7dda$3adebed0$6601a8c0@Brennan>
Message-ID: <56408.70334.qm@web33201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Stu,
 
There are water drain tubes from the softtop area behind the B-posts (internal
to the car) that empty into the front side of the rear wheel wells (external
to the car). Put your CO detector up under the rear wheel well near the
opening of the tubes to see if any fumes are being swept into the rear wheel
wells.
 
My 2 cents
 
Gary

--- On Sat, 11/6/10, Stu Brennan <stubrennan at comcast.net> wrote:


From: Stu Brennan <stubrennan at comcast.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust Smell
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, November 6, 2010, 10:44 AM


I put the hard top on the Tiger last weekend, then was fooling around in
the cellar for a couple minutes.  When I saw something on the cellar
wall, one of those little light bulbs appeared above my head.



So half an hour later I'm driving the Tiger around the area with a
Carbon Monoxide detector as a passenger.  Mine has a little LCD readout
on it to report the concentration of CO.  I tried various combinations
of windows open and closed, vents open and closed, etc.  The readout
stayed at zero, maybe hitting 3 ppm once, but other than that, zero.
There was no smell other than that of the normal interior fragrances.



Back home, I parked in the yard, the car idling while I fiddled with
stuff in the cubby for a minute.  Almost the same time I noticed the
exhaust smell, the CO detector went off.  Damn, that thing is loud in a
closed car.



OK, my trunk gasket is relatively new, and it passed the "dollar bill"
test all around.  The trunk floor is good, the only holes being the
drains under the tanks.  It is sealed around the jack points.  The
exhaust system is like new, no rust at all.  I started the Tiger outside
this morning, quite chilly here in Massachusetts, and while I got
visible vapor as the exhaust hit the cool air at the rear, there
appeared to be no leaks.  The top seals pretty good, relatively new
gaskets on that, too.  The firewall holes are all plugged.



So where else could the fumes be getting in?  I seem to remember mention
years back about a sneak path through the body, over the rear axel
somewhere.  Could this be my problem?



Stu
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Nov  6 11:39:44 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 14:39:44 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust Smell
Message-ID: <5c05.3b48c7c.3a06faf0@aol.com>

Stu, Gary and all.  I wrote about this problem a  few weeks back. Later i 
remembered that I had the same problem 10 yrs. back and  discovered that the 
hose from the rocker cover to the air cleaner was  disconnected under the 
air cleaner.  I reconnected and the smell went  away.
On my recent engine replacement I never ran this  hose.  I used an "open" 
system with only a filtered insert in the rocker  cover. The smell is back.  
When my car comes out next Spring, I'm going to  see if that's what is 
giving me a smell.
The point is, don't dismiss the possibility that there  is something under 
the hood causing the problem. 
Mark  L
 
 
In a message dated 11/6/2010 2:24:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
maliburevue at yahoo.com writes:

Stu,

There are water drain tubes from the softtop area  behind the B-posts 
(internal
to the car) that empty into the front side of  the rear wheel wells 
(external
to the car). Put your CO detector up under  the rear wheel well near the
opening of the tubes to see if any fumes are  being swept into the rear 
wheel
wells.

My 2  cents

Gary

--- On Sat, 11/6/10, Stu Brennan  <stubrennan at comcast.net> wrote:


From: Stu Brennan  <stubrennan at comcast.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust Smell
To:  tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, November 6, 2010, 10:44  AM


I put the hard top on the Tiger last weekend, then was fooling  around in
the cellar for a couple minutes.  When I saw something on  the cellar
wall, one of those little light bulbs appeared above my  head.



So half an hour later I'm driving the Tiger around the  area with a
Carbon Monoxide detector as a passenger.  Mine has a  little LCD readout
on it to report the concentration of CO.  I tried  various combinations
of windows open and closed, vents open and closed,  etc.  The readout
stayed at zero, maybe hitting 3 ppm once, but other  than that, zero.
There was no smell other than that of the normal interior  fragrances.



Back home, I parked in the yard, the car idling  while I fiddled with
stuff in the cubby for a minute.  Almost the same  time I noticed the
exhaust smell, the CO detector went off.  Damn,  that thing is loud in a
closed car.



OK, my trunk gasket is  relatively new, and it passed the "dollar bill"
test all around.  The  trunk floor is good, the only holes being the
drains under the tanks.   It is sealed around the jack points.  The
exhaust system is like new,  no rust at all.  I started the Tiger outside
this morning, quite  chilly here in Massachusetts, and while I got
visible vapor as the exhaust  hit the cool air at the rear, there
appeared to be no leaks.  The top  seals pretty good, relatively new
gaskets on that, too.  The firewall  holes are all plugged.



So where else could the fumes be getting  in?  I seem to remember mention
years back about a sneak path through  the body, over the rear axel
somewhere.  Could this be my  problem?



Stu
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Nov  6 12:39:52 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 15:39:52 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust Smell
In-Reply-To: <000201cb7dda$3adebed0$6601a8c0@Brennan>
Message-ID: <A8DCE71C927F412CB6ABDAF15B5CA739@ronpc1>

Stu
	2 areas to look at that I have yet to investigate:
The trunk lock seal is a very loose fit on my Tiger and I can easily move a
.065" drill around the lock area so it could leak there around the lock,
around the edge of the seal or both.

There are 2 large seals at the rear bumper mount that seals the outside
valance to the inside of the trunk.

There are numerous other seals at the rear that could be cracked or leaking.
I'm not sure how to thoroughly check for leaks at the trunk other than
pressurizing the trunk or doing a smoke test to find leaks.

I found this in a email from Theo Smit some time ago:

Tom Hall also mentioned at some point that there is a ventilation (?) hole
or sheetmetal gap on each side of the car, from under the rear-seat shelf to
the rear quarterpanel area (in front of the rear wheels). If this is open,
then you can definitely suck all kinds of nasty fumes in.

Best regards,
Theo


This is one of those problems that can be difficult to isolate due to the
multitude of possibilities.   I can only suggest that you don't rule out any
possible cause without completely checking first.

Ron Fraser



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Stu Brennan
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 1:44 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust Smell


I put the hard top on the Tiger last weekend, then was fooling around in the
cellar for a couple minutes.  When I saw something on the cellar wall, one
of those little light bulbs appeared above my head.



So half an hour later I'm driving the Tiger around the area with a Carbon
Monoxide detector as a passenger.  Mine has a little LCD readout on it to
report the concentration of CO.  I tried various combinations of windows
open and closed, vents open and closed, etc.  The readout stayed at zero,
maybe hitting 3 ppm once, but other than that, zero. There was no smell
other than that of the normal interior fragrances.



Back home, I parked in the yard, the car idling while I fiddled with stuff
in the cubby for a minute.  Almost the same time I noticed the exhaust
smell, the CO detector went off.  Damn, that thing is loud in a closed car.



OK, my trunk gasket is relatively new, and it passed the "dollar bill" test
all around.  The trunk floor is good, the only holes being the drains under
the tanks.  It is sealed around the jack points.  The exhaust system is like
new, no rust at all.  I started the Tiger outside this morning, quite chilly
here in Massachusetts, and while I got visible vapor as the exhaust hit the
cool air at the rear, there appeared to be no leaks.  The top seals pretty
good, relatively new gaskets on that, too.  The firewall holes are all
plugged.



So where else could the fumes be getting in?  I seem to remember mention
years back about a sneak path through the body, over the rear axel
somewhere.  Could this be my problem?



Stu
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From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov  6 19:59:44 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 22:59:44 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Classic & Sports Car November     Tiger ADU311B
Message-ID: <4F4466CA5B634235944636B7DFE5D33B@jeffnicholsPC>

The current issue has a good four  page article about ADU311B, the first
Rootes rally Tiger.
 
 
                                                                       Jeff

From rande at thecia.net  Sat Nov  6 21:35:34 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 00:35:34 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] United cars on Shelby page
Message-ID: <4cd62c96.6768.0@thecia.net>

I just noticed on the www.shelbyamerican.com page under 'vintage Shelby cars"
pictures from the Maine United from last month. I can't I.D. the red Tiger,
but the green car with the top down belongs to Jim Armstrong, the green 1A with
the hardtop belongs to Dana and Marlene Freeman, and the midnight blue car with
the LAT's and Maine tags belongs to Steve Towle.

From stubrennan at comcast.net  Sun Nov  7 07:25:54 2010
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 09:25:54 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] United cars on Shelby page
In-Reply-To: <4cd62c96.6768.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <000401cb7e87$b25ec0b0$6601a8c0@Brennan>

Hi Rande:

Thanks for pointing this out.  These are my photos which were stolen
from my web page.  I will be contacting them to discuss my usual hefty
licensing fee.

Stu

From CoolVT at aol.com  Sun Nov  7 08:13:05 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:13:05 EST
Subject: [Tigers] United cars on Shelby page
Message-ID: <7a3ec.3e46b1d4.3a081c01@aol.com>

Hi Rande:

Thanks for pointing this out.  These are my  photos which were stolen
from my web page.  I will be contacting them to  discuss my usual hefty
licensing fee.

Stu
 
And Shelby goes back to court  !

From sralsten111 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  7 08:38:04 2010
From: sralsten111 at gmail.com (Steve Ralsten)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 07:38:04 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] United cars on Shelby page
In-Reply-To: <000401cb7e87$b25ec0b0$6601a8c0@Brennan>
References: <4cd62c96.6768.0@thecia.net>
	<000401cb7e87$b25ec0b0$6601a8c0@Brennan>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=37zVvynNVJVN_xCjwhbwkqPq-JjmTTUcZjLsg@mail.gmail.com>

That's really pathetic they didn't even ask?
On Nov 7, 2010 6:46 AM, "Stu Brennan" <stubrennan at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi Rande:
>
> Thanks for pointing this out. These are my photos which were stolen
> from my web page. I will be contacting them to discuss my usual hefty
> licensing fee.
>
> Stu
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From twojohnsons at cox.net  Sun Nov  7 09:14:04 2010
From: twojohnsons at cox.net (Alvin Johnson)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 11:14:04 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] United cars on Shelby page
References: <000401cb7e87$b25ec0b0$6601a8c0@Brennan>
Message-ID: <013345378AB34C2AB295AC49794E7384@3bfd27b5ca44402>

Shelby will be selling those photos---probably $5.00 each; $15 with an 
autograph---and a magnanimous .25 cents from each sale pledged to charity. 
Transplants & the like for cute cherubic children.

 These are my photos which were stolen
> from my web page.  I will be contacting them to discuss my usual hefty
> licensing fee.
>
> Stu
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From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net  Sun Nov  7 09:37:23 2010
From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 08:37:23 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [Tigers] Rare British mini-Camper on Craigslist
Message-ID: <12846070.1289147843512.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

This would have made a dandy mobile office for the SF Bay Area British Car Meets - If we were doing the Meets anymore......


http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/2039441032.html

From CoolVT at aol.com  Sun Nov  7 09:38:24 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 11:38:24 EST
Subject: [Tigers] United cars on Shelby page
Message-ID: <7d9eb.133e2591.3a083000@aol.com>

Shelby  will be selling those photos---probably $5.00 each; $15 with an  
autograph---and a magnanimous .25 cents from each sale pledged to charity.  
Transplants & the like for cute cherubic children.
 
Hey, are you trying to ruin the value of my 30 cent  Shelby stock:-)

From j_d_johnson at earthlink.net  Sun Nov  7 09:46:10 2010
From: j_d_johnson at earthlink.net (J D Johnson)
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 08:46:10 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Left Overs
Message-ID: <E1PF8Qo-0005fL-1X@elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

For those who might be in need.  I know nothing more than what is described.

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-auto-parts-tires-transmission-drive-train-Tiger-Dana44-Rearend-Crossmember-Ford-Toploader-Bellhouse-W0QQAdIdZ240623669


JD

From rande at thecia.net  Sun Nov  7 16:19:38 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:19:38 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] photos on Shelby site
Message-ID: <4cd7340a.3367.0@thecia.net>

"
Thanks for pointing this out.  These are my photos which were stolen
from my web page.  I will be contacting them to discuss my usual hefty
licensing fee.

Stu"


Stu, I suppose that if there's a silver lining in all of this for Shelby, it's
that you didn't appear, yourself, in the photos. Your usual modeling fee, combined
with your usual stock photo fees, could have bankrupted poor Ole' Shel.

RB

From allanballard at att.net  Sun Nov  7 17:11:26 2010
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 19:11:26 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] photos on Shelby site
In-Reply-To: <4cd7340a.3367.0@thecia.net>
References: <4cd7340a.3367.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <6B32D80F-435C-4774-92ED-A1FE92DE66F5@att.net>

Kinda cool though to have Tigers on the Shelby site...

Allan Ballard
Mk1a

On Nov 7, 2010, at 6:19 PM, rande wrote:

> "
> Thanks for pointing this out.  These are my photos which were stolen
> from my web page.  I will be contacting them to discuss my usual hefty
> licensing fee.
>
> Stu"
>
>
> Stu, I suppose that if there's a silver lining in all of this for Shelby,
it's
> that you didn't appear, yourself, in the photos. Your usual modeling fee,
combined
> with your usual stock photo fees, could have bankrupted poor Ole' Shel.
>
> RB
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From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Sun Nov  7 18:37:36 2010
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin)
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 20:37:36 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] red tiger
Message-ID: <001001cb7ee5$85e7c280$0201a8c0@chesapeake4>

the red tiger on the shelby forum was my car,  Clyde McLaughlin

From rande at thecia.net  Sun Nov  7 21:18:08 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 23:18:08 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] ADU311B, Classic M/Sport, Carroll and Factory Five
Message-ID: <4cd77a00.455d.0@thecia.net>

First, thanks to Jeffrey Nichols for the heads up on the Nov. issue of Classic
& Sports Car magazine. The article, by Tiger owner Julian Balme, about the newly
restored rally car ADU311B in the UK is super, and the photos just couldn't
be better. I picked up a copy of the magazine this afternoon.

On a similar subject, the Nov. issue of Classic Motorsports is out on newstands,
and it features chapter 11 of their Tiger project car, this time highlighting
the braking system updates.

Finally, I'm weighing in on the Shelby/Factory Five patent lawsuit. First, it
just applys to the shape of what the court for simplification purposes calls
the 'Cobra 427 S/C' design. It doesn't affect the 'Cobra'name, and it doesn't
affect the narrower Shelby Cobra 289 shape(at least, not yet).

In a press release, the Factory Five concern maintains that Shelby "ignored
the factual history of the car, which started life as an AC car with a Ford
engine...". Well, yes and no. At the point when Shelby contacted the Hurlock
brothers, the owners of AC, some standard AC roadsters were beginning to use
the Ford UK Zephyr six cylinder motor, which replaced the discontinued Bristol
units. The body, chassis, and suspension wasn't changed significantly for the
Zephyr motor. Early on during negotiations with AC, even Shelby wasn't aware
of the small block Ford V8 until weeks later. Certainly no one at AC had any
idea that Ford was coming out with this motor.

When Ford told Shelby that the SBF(small block Ford)motor was now available,
it was Shelby who had motors shipped to AC for testing, and it was Shelby's
company that began the testing which led to re-engineering and strengthening
the tube chassis, the hubs, and widening the body to accept wider tires and
double the horsepower of the standard AC Ace roadster. And this is just the
development of the 289 roadster. Image what Shelbys crew had to do to come up
with the coil spring chassis of the 427.

Factory Five also maintains that that Shelby has the replica manufacturers(presumably
Factory Five, Superperformance, the American crew that build cars in Poland,
and more)to thank for some of the popularity of Cobra's. WHAT? Sounds like the
tail claiming credit for the dog. Take away all of the Cobra wannabe's, and
we're still left with at least two legendary sports cars, and more, if you include
the Mustang side of the company.

I know Factory Five offers a nice kit car /  rolling chassis. Now, they need
to let me know when they've passed the history test.

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Nov  7 23:38:24 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:38:24 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] ADU311B, Classic M/Sport, Carroll and Factory Five
In-Reply-To: <4cd77a00.455d.0@thecia.net>
References: <4cd77a00.455d.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikyELgn7Oo4vG0bb1-Zk14DOb9e0=BSopi8bXoS@mail.gmail.com>

Just to chime in, AC built AC MKIII's which were the same body as the 427
cobra but would use 289 V8's this was in the period and they were not able
to call them "cobras" hencew the MKII designation.

A german company that builds the 300SL replicas now owns the AC name and are
producing new cobras (they bought what was left of autocraft i believe)
except where autocraft had been using ford engines still the new AC's are
chev engined.

All in all I have not been following the case much.. know it has been gogin
a while and not sure if it involves kirckham.. but they supply bodies to
HAWK in the UK who build 289 MKII's, FIA 289s and 427's.. are they being
hammered too?

I'm all for giving design credit where it is due.. and shelby should recieve
fees for the use of the "cobra" name and logos (if he still owns them) as
for taking credit for the shape.. well.. not sure thats his work.

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From rande at thecia.net  Mon Nov  8 04:18:16 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 06:18:16 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Cobra name and Mk III car
Message-ID: <4cd7dc78.4de4.0@thecia.net>

Hi,

In the UK, the model that you call the Mark III was marketed in brochures as
the AC 289 Sport, and it was essentially what we call the coil spring model,
wider body, with the 289 and toploader four speed. I only learned of this model
when I saw one at Lime Rock Park during the annual Shelby club gathering, and
later when I obtained a brochure featuring that model and the Frua-designed
AC 428.

As for the Cobra name, Factory Five states that they don't use the name for
their cars. You probably know that Ford sold a high performance model of the
1993-2004 Mustang as the SVT Cobra, and they worked out an agreement with Shelby,
after a bit of dispute, to do that.

RB

From awtiger at cox.net  Mon Nov  8 08:00:14 2010
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 10:00:14 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] ADU311B, Classic M/Sport, Carroll and Factory Five
In-Reply-To: <4cd77a00.455d.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <20101108100014.BYALN.2432121.imail@eastrmwml30>

Rande:

You mentioned in your post that you could only "image what Shelbys crew had to do to come up
with the coil spring chassis of the 427."  Actually, by that time, Ford had their big blue nose way up in "Shelby's business" and when it came time for the design work to be done on the coil-spring Cobra chassis, they offered up their design computers and one Bob Negstad, who was the lead Ford GT project engineer.  The design of the chassis and suspension of the 427 Cobra was due to Bob's work and expertise in the field of chassis design.  It's always been my understanding that guys like Phil Remington and Ken Miles were heavily involved in the informational side of the project, but we have Ford and Bob Negstad to thank for the design of the coil-spring Cobra chassis.  

Take care,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740

From dave at munroe.ca  Mon Nov  8 08:51:04 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:51:04 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] ADU311B, Classic M/Sport, Carroll and Factory Five
In-Reply-To: <20101108100014.BYALN.2432121.imail@eastrmwml30>
References: <20101108100014.BYALN.2432121.imail@eastrmwml30>
Message-ID: <21CBD23DFF2448DBB1C7B1C8B016D082@DavePC>

Andy, Rande et al:

Thanks for this in-depth education of the early years of AC/Cobra 
development. The knowledge you and many others on this List possess is 
incredible, and I thank you. You guys should collaborate on a book!

Dave


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To: <tigers at autox.team.net>; <rande at thecia.net>
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] ADU311B, Classic M/Sport, Carroll and Factory Five


> Rande:
>
> You mentioned in your post that you could only "image what Shelbys crew 
> had to do to come up
> with the coil spring chassis of the 427."  Actually, by that time, Ford 
> had their big blue nose way up in "Shelby's business" and when it came 
> time for the design work to be done on the coil-spring Cobra chassis, they 
> offered up their design computers and one Bob Negstad, who was the lead 
> Ford GT project engineer.  The design of the chassis and suspension of the 
> 427 Cobra was due to Bob's work and expertise in the field of chassis 
> design.  It's always been my understanding that guys like Phil Remington 
> and Ken Miles were heavily involved in the informational side of the 
> project, but we have Ford and Bob Negstad to thank for the design of the 
> coil-spring Cobra chassis.
>
> Take care,
> Andy Walker
> Edmond, OK
> B382001600LRXFE
> TAC #740
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From dave at munroe.ca  Mon Nov  8 08:52:44 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 11:52:44 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Fw:  ADU311B, Classic M/Sport, Carroll and Factory Five
Message-ID: <42C8A21732304187BB1B6761028CDA5F@DavePC>

 Andy, Rande et al:

 Thanks for this in-depth education of the early years of AC/Cobra
 development. The knowledge you and many others on this List possess is
 incredible, and I thank you. You guys should collaborate on a book!

 Dave


 From: <awtiger at cox.net>
  Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 11:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [Tigers] ADU311B, Classic M/Sport, Carroll and Factory Five


 Rande:

 You mentioned in your post that you could only "image what Shelbys crew
 had to do to come up
 with the coil spring chassis of the 427."  Actually, by that time, Ford
 had their big blue nose way up in "Shelby's business" and when it came
 time for the design work to be done on the coil-spring Cobra chassis, they
 offered up their design computers and one Bob Negstad, who was the lead
 Ford GT project engineer.  The design of the chassis and suspension of the
 427 Cobra was due to Bob's work and expertise in the field of chassis
 design.  It's always been my understanding that guys like Phil Remington
 and Ken Miles were heavily involved in the informational side of the
 project, but we have Ford and Bob Negstad to thank for the design of the
 coil-spring Cobra chassis.

 Take care,
 Andy Walker
 Edmond, OK
 B382001600LRXFE
 TAC #740

From spook01 at comcast.net  Mon Nov  8 08:55:51 2010
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2010 09:55:51 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Cobra_name_and_Mk_III_car?=
Message-ID: <20101108155503.C47F2187869@autox.team.net>

With enough money involved, shelby would affix the cobra name to a flathead four cylinder jeep with three wheels.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "rande" <rande at thecia.net>
Date: Mon, Nov 8, 2010 05:18
Subject: [Tigers] Cobra name and Mk III car
To: <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>


Hi,

In the UK, the model that you call the Mark III was marketed in brochures as
the AC 289 Sport, and it was essentially what we call the coil spring model,
wider body, with the 289 and toploader four speed. I only learned of this model
when I saw one at Lime Rock Park during the annual Shelby club gathering, and
later when I obtained a brochure featuring that model and the Frua-designed
AC 428.

As for the Cobra name, Factory Five states that they don't use the name for
their cars. You probably know that Ford sold a high performance model of the
1993-2004 Mustang as the SVT Cobra, and they worked out an agreement with Shelby,
after a bit of dispute, to do that.

RB
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From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  8 13:15:11 2010
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 12:15:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Front Valance 'black out' painting
Message-ID: <52203.31495.qm@web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Gentleman

I am in the process of getting ready to paint my 66 MK1A.  I would
like to get a 
picture of all the areas behind the grill that is suppose to be
painted SATIN 
black.

It has been suggested to start at the center of the
holes in the upper and lower 
grill opening - is this correct?  And then go
how far up and into the area, top, 
bottom and sides up to the radiator.  The
radiator, fan and clear hooter horns 
are painted SATIN black, giving the
whole area into the mouth of the tiger as 
dark or SATIN black look.

In MY
case, pictures would be worth a thousand words.  Please email directly.

Thank
You
Joel Martin

From csx2282 at sonic.net  Mon Nov  8 14:07:17 2010
From: csx2282 at sonic.net (csx2282)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 13:07:17 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Cobra name and Mk III car
Message-ID: <624FFE498AA145C998901AEB36BCEAF1@Cobra>

An excellent book that includes a section on the AC 289 is:

Original AC Ace & Cobra
The Restorers Guide to AC, Bristol and Ford Engined Cars
Ace, Aceca and Cobra
(c) 1990 by Rinsey Mills

Lots of detailed color photos.

I've had my copy for nearly twenty years, so I don't know how available this
book is today.

27 AC 289 Sports were built and only four US owners are listed in the
Registry.  The SAAC Registrar is one of the US owners, BTW.  There is one NY
owner listed who may have been the Lime Rock attendee.

The Mark III designation is somewhat fuzzy.  I believe AC Cars at the time did
use this designation for these cars, but AC later referred to early 260 leaf
spring Cobras as Mark Is, 289 leaf spring Cobras as Mark IIs and Coil spring
Cobras as Mark IIIs.  This may have occurred when Brian Angliss took over AC
cars.

Roland

From: "rande" <rande at thecia.net>
Hi,

In the UK, the model that you call the Mark III was marketed in brochures as
the AC 289 Sport, and it was essentially what we call the coil spring model,
wider body, with the 289 and toploader four speed. I only learned of this
model
when I saw one at Lime Rock Park during the annual Shelby club gathering, and
later when I obtained a brochure featuring that model and the Frua-designed
AC 428.

RB

From BEAU2EVE at aol.com  Mon Nov  8 16:34:33 2010
From: BEAU2EVE at aol.com (BEAU2EVE at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 18:34:33 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Rebuilding Racks and Steering column
Message-ID: <2b15a.7e03969a.3a09e309@aol.com>

Well it's that time of the year, fix what your tiger needs. So on that note 
 I decide to start early. Please send me your opinions, since I'm told that 
the  rack's gears are not available what can be done? And who does it for a 
 resonnable cost. And #2, my steering column can't be locked in place. If I 
 tighten the center nut it won't stop the column from going up and down at  
will with only a slight drag. I'm also looking for the correct adapter for 
my  Lecarra steering wheel.
Also is the steering column from the Tiger the same as the Alpine's unit  ? 
     Thanks in advance    Beau  B9470951

From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Mon Nov  8 18:06:26 2010
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:06:26 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] SEMA Convention
Message-ID: <FFAFAE0147334BF9A0B754D46953B09A@jerry>

Had another great time at SEMA this year.  There was even a Sunbeam on
display there (Alpine) that had a rather exotic, multicolored paint job. The
booth was displaying a particular type of paint, I think.  Interestingly, it
was modified somewhat like Dr. Mayf's  Bonneville car; albeit just had the
four cyl. engine.  I showed the car to Buck Trippel (he was at SEMA also,
along with Tom Sakai), but he didn't know the owner either.  I felt very
sorry for Buck as he had somehow forgotten his "walking shoes" and only had
his "shower shoes" (sandals).  My two brothers were with me, and they seemed
to think we walked 150 mi each day except the last - they were convinced we
walked 175 mi. HA.  We had our walking shoes so we survived it with out too
much pain. Each night I did, however, take two Aleve.

On another note - after walking more than our share, we walked around the
"strip."  We happened to walk through Caesar's Palace (actually The Palace
Shops) and there on the wall of "Giuseppe Zanotti Design" shoe shop (I would
guess very expensive $1,000.00 plus) were several very large photos with
models sitting with various poses on a nice red Sunbeam Alpine!!!  One just
never knows where these little gems show up.

 

Jerry Christopherson

9473187

 

I just checked this web site, and you can see some of the shots.  Anybody
know whose Sunbeam it is?

 

http://www.giuseppezanottidesign.com/index.asp?tskay=96745C45

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Nov  8 18:29:00 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:29:00 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Rebuilding Racks and Steering column
In-Reply-To: <2b15a.7e03969a.3a09e309@aol.com>
Message-ID: <15C501AC606B4BC4A5B9BA45B0EC0C02@ronpc1>

Beau
	You did not state the exact problem with the rack but there are some
adjustments that can be made to it.
Tiger Tom may still work on them and possibly Doug Jennings.

The column lock sounds like you lost contact with the threaded cone part
that locks the column.   You need to look at the Shop Manual to see all the
parts.   The inner lock parts of the Alpine column are the same as the Tiger
but not the whole column.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of BEAU2EVE at aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 6:35 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Rebuilding Racks and Steering column


Well it's that time of the year, fix what your tiger needs. So on that note
 I decide to start early. Please send me your opinions, since I'm told that
the  rack's gears are not available what can be done? And who does it for a
 resonnable cost. And #2, my steering column can't be locked in place. If I
 tighten the center nut it won't stop the column from going up and down at
will with only a slight drag. I'm also looking for the correct adapter for
my  Lecarra steering wheel.
Also is the steering column from the Tiger the same as the Alpine's unit  ?
     Thanks in advance    Beau  B9470951
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From jteepen at usatoday.com  Mon Nov  8 18:55:30 2010
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:55:30 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Rebuilding Racks and Steering column
In-Reply-To: <2b15a.7e03969a.3a09e309@aol.com>
References: <2b15a.7e03969a.3a09e309@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E1554432ECC65C@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>

Doug Jennings (937-252-3317) recently rebuilt a rack for a friends Tiger, so
he is definitely still doing them.  I believe he is doing columns too.  Give
him a call.

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of BEAU2EVE at aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 3:35 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Rebuilding Racks and Steering column

Well it's that time of the year, fix what your tiger needs. So on that note
 I decide to start early. Please send me your opinions, since I'm told that
the  rack's gears are not available what can be done? And who does it for a
 resonnable cost. And #2, my steering column can't be locked in place. If I
 tighten the center nut it won't stop the column from going up and down at
will with only a slight drag. I'm also looking for the correct adapter for
my  Lecarra steering wheel.
Also is the steering column from the Tiger the same as the Alpine's unit  ?
     Thanks in advance    Beau  B9470951

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov  8 19:38:14 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 21:38:14 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] ADU311B, Classic M/Sport, Carroll and Factory
Message-ID: <BFE15563C7F24BD5A0AC2C2CC250F382@jeffnicholsPC>

"they offered up their design computers and one Bob Negstad, who was the
lead Ford GT project engineer. The design of the chassis and suspension of
the 427 Cobra was due to Bob's work and expertise in the field of chassis
design. It's always been my understanding that guys like Phil Remingtonand
Ken Miles were heavily involved in the informational side of the project,
but we have Ford and Bob Negstad to thank for the design of the coil-spring
Cobra chassis." 

 

There was another Ford engineer involved with the Shelby 427 chassis.  Klaus
Arning was the suspension wizard who was one of the first, if not the first
to use computers in suspension design.  Klaus Arning is credited in every
book I have seen with designing the 427 Cobra suspension.  On the AC side,
Alan Turner had a hand in designing the frame and suspension.  Alan Turner
also designed the AC A98 coupe which raced at Le Mans in 1964 against
Shelby's Daytona coupes. The two cars don't really resemble one another with
the AC coupe having fenders like a Mercedes 300SL.   The car crashed with
tragic results, killing three spectators.  AC gained notoriety for testing
the car on the M1 and hitting speeds over 180mph before the Le Mans race.

 

 

 
Jeff

From macdonald49 at shaw.ca  Mon Nov  8 21:19:39 2010
From: macdonald49 at shaw.ca (Peter MacDonald)
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 20:19:39 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Cobra versions/Autokraft
Message-ID: <396DE7D8-7A15-47C8-B41E-EA6EF3AE9B9A@shaw.ca>

Don't forget about the MkIV's that were built by Brian Angliss et al  
at Autokraft. They had all the original chassis jigs and wooden bucks  
to form the bodies exactly  as the originals since they bought all  
that stuff from AC Cars.

They were located in the old British Aircraft Corp hangers in the  
middle of Brooklands racetrack. We had a nice visit there in about  
1979. He was also painting the new AC model at his shop - name is  
gone, sorry!

Peter MacDonald

From awtiger at cox.net  Tue Nov  9 07:31:44 2010
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 9:31:44 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] ADU311B, Classic M/Sport, Carroll and Factory
In-Reply-To: <BFE15563C7F24BD5A0AC2C2CC250F382@jeffnicholsPC>
Message-ID: <20101109093144.70ZHF.2548.imail@eastrmwml28>

Jeff:

You're correct...Klaus Arning was heavily involved in the design of the coil-sprung chassis and does get credit for it in several books.  My info, however, came directly from Bob Negstad himself.  I used to be on the BOD of the Oklahoma Region of SAAC years ago and we had Bob in once as our keynote speaker at what was formerly known as the "Mid-America Shelby Meet" in Tulsa, OK.  It is my recollection that he was the head of the chassis design department at Ford at the time and, as such, he took credit for the coil-spung Cobra chassis.  Maybe time allowed some embelishment of the story; at this point, who knows!

Thanks for the info,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
TAC #740

---- Jeffrey Nichols <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net> wrote: 
> "they offered up their design computers and one Bob Negstad, who was the
> lead Ford GT project engineer. The design of the chassis and suspension of
> the 427 Cobra was due to Bob's work and expertise in the field of chassis
> design. It's always been my understanding that guys like Phil Remingtonand
> Ken Miles were heavily involved in the informational side of the project,
> but we have Ford and Bob Negstad to thank for the design of the coil-spring
> Cobra chassis." 
> 
>  
> 
> There was another Ford engineer involved with the Shelby 427 chassis.  Klaus
> Arning was the suspension wizard who was one of the first, if not the first
> to use computers in suspension design.  Klaus Arning is credited in every
> book I have seen with designing the 427 Cobra suspension.  On the AC side,
> Alan Turner had a hand in designing the frame and suspension.  Alan Turner
> also designed the AC A98 coupe which raced at Le Mans in 1964 against
> Shelby's Daytona coupes. The two cars don't really resemble one another with
> the AC coupe having fenders like a Mercedes 300SL.   The car crashed with
> tragic results, killing three spectators.  AC gained notoriety for testing
> the car on the M1 and hitting speeds over 180mph before the Le Mans race.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> Jeff

From allanballard at att.net  Tue Nov  9 08:26:08 2010
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:26:08 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] tiger for sale
In-Reply-To: <20101109093144.70ZHF.2548.imail@eastrmwml28>
References: <20101109093144.70ZHF.2548.imail@eastrmwml28>
Message-ID: <751FF137-039A-4405-8BEC-DC77C753CA12@att.net>

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/2043488637.html

no connection.

Allan Ballard
Mk1a Tiger
S IV Alpine

From billsunbeam at live.com  Tue Nov  9 10:02:54 2010
From: billsunbeam at live.com (Bill Matson)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:02:54 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Kijiji Link
Message-ID: <SNT134-w25320867DD9923875C211FCB300@phx.gbl>

Hi:- Just thought this link would be of help to the
Tiger community.

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-auto-parts-tires-transmission-drive-
train-Tiger-Dana44-Rearend-Crossmember-Ford-Toploader-Bellhouse-W0QQAdIdZ2406
23669

Rgd's, Bill

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Nov  9 14:46:39 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 08:46:39 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] SEMA Convention
In-Reply-To: <FFAFAE0147334BF9A0B754D46953B09A@jerry>
References: <FFAFAE0147334BF9A0B754D46953B09A@jerry>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin5SU7vdW8iDCfK1_tUEy5gYXsAJE+xgNOCj38r@mail.gmail.com>

By chance it wasnt an early series alpine in a metalic green?

On 9 November 2010 12:06, Jerry & Maureen (Mo) <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net>wrote:

> Had another great time at SEMA this year.  There was even a Sunbeam on
> display there (Alpine) that had a rather exotic, multicolored paint job.
> The
> booth was displaying a particular type of paint, I think.  Interestingly,
> it
> was modified somewhat like Dr. Mayf's  Bonneville car; albeit just had the
> four cyl. engine.  I showed the car to Buck Trippel (he was at SEMA also,
> along with Tom Sakai), but he didn't know the owner either.  I felt very
> sorry for Buck as he had somehow forgotten his "walking shoes" and only had
> his "shower shoes" (sandals).  My two brothers were with me, and they
> seemed
> to think we walked 150 mi each day except the last - they were convinced we
> walked 175 mi. HA.  We had our walking shoes so we survived it with out too
> much pain. Each night I did, however, take two Aleve.
>
> On another note - after walking more than our share, we walked around the
> "strip."  We happened to walk through Caesar's Palace (actually The Palace
> Shops) and there on the wall of "Giuseppe Zanotti Design" shoe shop (I
> would
> guess very expensive $1,000.00 plus) were several very large photos with
> models sitting with various poses on a nice red Sunbeam Alpine!!!  One just
> never knows where these little gems show up.
>
>
>
> Jerry Christopherson
>
> 9473187
>
>
>
> I just checked this web site, and you can see some of the shots.  Anybody
> know whose Sunbeam it is?
>
>
>
> http://www.giuseppezanottidesign.com/index.asp?tskay=96745C45
> _______________________________________________
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>


-- 
Regards

Michael King

From Rollright at aol.com  Wed Nov 10 13:35:44 2010
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:35:44 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Lucas dashboard switches
Message-ID: <82187.745fc5dc.3a0c5c20@aol.com>

Hello,
 
I purchased a box of English car electrical odd and ends, (e-bay) mostly  
junk.
 
But, I got about 5 dashboard switches in various condition. A couple of  
them had a wavy very narrow, very thin copper (?) washer between the round  
slotted nut and the body of the switch, falling over the threaded part.
 
In all my 34 years of ownership and switch-fiddling, I've never seen one of 
 these. 
 
Are they supposed to be used on all our toggle switches? And if so, where  
could I get more?
 
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Nov 10 14:36:39 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:36:39 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Lucas dashboard switches
In-Reply-To: <82187.745fc5dc.3a0c5c20@aol.com>
References: <82187.745fc5dc.3a0c5c20@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimjHTPkY7axdr7jJ88uufabBZmp+8J+Aa=psoon@mail.gmail.com>

Those washers came with all the NOS switches i have, iassume people loose
them over the years, not sure where you can get spares, maybe try MOSS?

On 11 November 2010 07:35, <Rollright at aol.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I purchased a box of English car electrical odd and ends, (e-bay) mostly
> junk.
>
> But, I got about 5 dashboard switches in various condition. A couple of
> them had a wavy very narrow, very thin copper (?) washer between the round
> slotted nut and the body of the switch, falling over the threaded part.
>
> In all my 34 years of ownership and switch-fiddling, I've never seen one of
>  these.
>
> Are they supposed to be used on all our toggle switches? And if so, where
> could I get more?
>
>
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A 382002083
> LRXFE
> _______________________________________________
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From rande at thecia.net  Wed Nov 10 19:00:10 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 21:00:10 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Attn: Bill Matson
Message-ID: <4cdb4e2a.3aac.0@thecia.net>

Hi,

Could Bill Matson from Ontario (CAN) post me or leave me a phone number and
the best time to call? I'm on EST, or Greenwich minus 4 the rest of the week.


Rande

From Carmods at aol.com  Thu Nov 11 06:34:44 2010
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:34:44 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Lucas dashboard switches
Message-ID: <5b8cc.5994f03a.3a0d4af4@aol.com>

Rollright at aol.com writes:
 
I got about 5 dashboard switches in various condition. A  couple of  
them had a wavy very narrow, very thin copper (?) washer  between the round 
 
slotted nut and the body of the switch, falling  over the threaded part. 
Are they 
supposed to be used on all our toggle switches? 


Those thin copper washers were referred to as "Lucas  Seals" and were added 
to the switches in about 1969. They are intended to seal  the infectious 
"Lucas Virus" that lived within the vehicle electrical system  from escaping 
and infecting other vehicle systems.
 
John  Logan

From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com  Thu Nov 11 07:37:31 2010
From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:37:31 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Lucas dashboard switches
Message-ID: <2f92a.549c7dbb.3a0d59ab@aol.com>

They also prevented the dreaded "Lucas Smoke" from permeating into the  
passenger compartment when one actually tried to use the switches.
 
Fred Baum
 
 
In a message dated 11/11/2010 8:49:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
Carmods at aol.com writes:

Rollright at aol.com writes:

I got about 5 dashboard switches  in various condition. A  couple of  
them had a wavy very narrow,  very thin copper (?) washer  between the 
round 

slotted nut and  the body of the switch, falling  over the threaded part. 
Are they  
supposed to be used on all our toggle switches? 


Those thin  copper washers were referred to as "Lucas  Seals" and were 
added 
to  the switches in about 1969. They are intended to seal  the infectious  
"Lucas Virus" that lived within the vehicle electrical system  from  
escaping 
and infecting other vehicle systems.

John   Logan
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From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Fri Nov 12 08:48:25 2010
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:48:25 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop Side Window Gaskets
Message-ID: <4CDD61C9.2020102@roadrunner.com>

Hello All:

As some of you who were at the Maine United in October will remember, 
one of the tech sessions was about replacing the front weatherstrip and 
rear window on the later hardtops.  For the demo, Jim Armstrong and Gary 
Fish used my hardtop (RHIP) and the results were greatly appreciated.  
When I got the hardtop home, I continued with its restoration by doing 
the side window gaskets next.  Initially, I had a great deal of 
frustration making the gaskets stay in place once they had been 
positioned.  The problem seems to be that the depth of the gaskets and 
their shape on the inside is such that they want to push themselves up 
off the flange.  It is no mean feat, also, to get them over the flange 
and in place since they have to be spread apart and then carefully 
fitted on both the inside and outside of the flange.  In my frustration, 
I contacted Jim and Gary and Gary pointed out that it is important to 
push the corners of the gasket tightly into the corners with a piece of 
wood or some such at the beginning.  However, Gary did not remember 
having the difficulties I was having with making the gaskets stay in 
place.  Jim has pointed out that, as time has passed, replacement parts 
are sometimes not exact replicas of the originals and I think that may 
be the problem in that the gaskets are just a little too deep to fit 
comfortably.  (I noticed a similar effect recently with a replacement 
wheel cylinder which would not accept the lever arm that pivots in it, 
necessitating a little bit of grinding.)  In any case, the solution to 
my dilemma was to get some 3M heavy duty trim adhesive and apply it 
around the flange before installing the gasket.  The process goes much 
more easily and requires many fewer harsh words, to the point that I 
would recommend its use as a standard procedure when attempting the 
installation.  Just thought I might save someone else the frustration of 
another encounter with our favorite oxymoron, "English Engineering".

In a closely related subject, does anyone know where to find the screws 
that hold the side trim pieces and the rubber mounts for the hardtop?  
The ideal size seems to be 6-32 x 1/4 (#6 UNC x 1/4).  I cannot find 
anything in that size shorter than 3/8.   Thanks.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From e.coiner at cox.net  Fri Nov 12 10:20:26 2010
From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 9:20:26 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop Side Window Gaskets
In-Reply-To: <4CDD61C9.2020102@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <20101112122026.WIGQX.41372.imail@fed1rmwml35>

mc master carr.    http://www.mcmaster.com/#machine-screws/=9os7iv

p/n 91772A144


---- Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com> wrote: 
> Hello All:
> 
> As some of you who were at the Maine United in October will remember, 
> one of the tech sessions was about replacing the front weatherstrip and 
> rear window on the later hardtops.  For the demo, Jim Armstrong and Gary 
> Fish used my hardtop (RHIP) and the results were greatly appreciated.  
> When I got the hardtop home, I continued with its restoration by doing 
> the side window gaskets next.  Initially, I had a great deal of 
> frustration making the gaskets stay in place once they had been 
> positioned.  The problem seems to be that the depth of the gaskets and 
> their shape on the inside is such that they want to push themselves up 
> off the flange.  It is no mean feat, also, to get them over the flange 
> and in place since they have to be spread apart and then carefully 
> fitted on both the inside and outside of the flange.  In my frustration, 
> I contacted Jim and Gary and Gary pointed out that it is important to 
> push the corners of the gasket tightly into the corners with a piece of 
> wood or some such at the beginning.  However, Gary did not remember 
> having the difficulties I was having with making the gaskets stay in 
> place.  Jim has pointed out that, as time has passed, replacement parts 
> are sometimes not exact replicas of the originals and I think that may 
> be the problem in that the gaskets are just a little too deep to fit 
> comfortably.  (I noticed a similar effect recently with a replacement 
> wheel cylinder which would not accept the lever arm that pivots in it, 
> necessitating a little bit of grinding.)  In any case, the solution to 
> my dilemma was to get some 3M heavy duty trim adhesive and apply it 
> around the flange before installing the gasket.  The process goes much 
> more easily and requires many fewer harsh words, to the point that I 
> would recommend its use as a standard procedure when attempting the 
> installation.  Just thought I might save someone else the frustration of 
> another encounter with our favorite oxymoron, "English Engineering".
> 
> In a closely related subject, does anyone know where to find the screws 
> that hold the side trim pieces and the rubber mounts for the hardtop?  
> The ideal size seems to be 6-32 x 1/4 (#6 UNC x 1/4).  I cannot find 
> anything in that size shorter than 3/8.   Thanks.
> 
> Tod
> B382002384LRXFE
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From spook01 at comcast.net  Sat Nov 13 16:06:54 2010
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:06:54 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Washers
Message-ID: <20101113230608.0E2F2187645@autox.team.net>

Hi,
I have misplaced two of the relieved washers on the pivot for the lower a arm on the front suspension.
Anyone have a couple of them?
Ray

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

From rab65tiger at aol.com  Sat Nov 13 20:26:25 2010
From: rab65tiger at aol.com (rab65tiger at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 22:26:25 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Washers
In-Reply-To: <20101113230608.0E2F2187645@autox.team.net>
References: <20101113230608.0E2F2187645@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <8CD51C2DA1BB527-E24-3A887@webmail-m102.sysops.aol.com>

 If I remember correctly I got some from Sunbeam Specialties...

R.B.


-----Original Message-----
From: spook01 at comcast.net <spook01 at comcast.net>
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Sent: Sat, Nov 13, 2010 5:06 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Washers


Hi,

I have misplaced two of the relieved washers on the pivot for the lower a arm
on

the front suspension.

Anyone have a couple of them?

Ray



Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

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From barncobob at aol.com  Sun Nov 14 09:00:27 2010
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 11:00:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] clock
Message-ID: <8CD522C30710E51-1A50-14C9B@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com>

are the tigers prewired for clocks or is it a add on to the wiring

From Rollright at aol.com  Sun Nov 14 11:25:34 2010
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 13:25:34 EST
Subject: [Tigers] hose, radiator to header tank
Message-ID: <90cd8.540c45e6.3a11839e@aol.com>

Hello,
 
First drive in a while, sort of since the United in Maine.
 
Coming how out of a parking lot, Dreaded Steam coming out of wheel well !  
Temp gauge showed temp still OK so I dashed the 3/4 miles to home. Pulled  
in, popped hood and a hose had perished.
 
I need the " Radiator to header tank hose, Sunbeam part # 1224842,  
illustration # TF 24 in parts book.
 
Anybody got the GATES, NAPA, or equiv. cross for this? I'd like to fix it  
tomorrow.
 
Thanks in advance.
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE

From chris at cthompson.net  Sun Nov 14 12:06:01 2010
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:06:01 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] hose, radiator to header tank
In-Reply-To: <90cd8.540c45e6.3a11839e@aol.com>
References: <90cd8.540c45e6.3a11839e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4CE03319.9060508@cthompson.net>

John Logan posted this a while back:

According to my records, The Tiger cooling hoses can be made from the
following.

Upper
Dayco  627
NAPA  7459
Dayco  70627
Dayco 71015
Dayco CH 666

Lower
Ford  KM 178
NAPA 7746 or 7776 or 8205
Gates  20753 or 21034
Autozone M-065.

Expansion Tank
NAPA 8205
Dayco 71218 or 70531
Discount or Advance Auto Parts C 71218.

John Logan



On 11/14/2010 1:25 PM, Rollright at aol.com wrote:
> Hello,
>
> First drive in a while, sort of since the United in Maine.
>
> Coming how out of a parking lot, Dreaded Steam coming out of wheel well !
> Temp gauge showed temp still OK so I dashed the 3/4 miles to home. Pulled
> in, popped hood and a hose had perished.
>
> I need the " Radiator to header tank hose, Sunbeam part # 1224842,
> illustration # TF 24 in parts book.
>
> Anybody got the GATES, NAPA, or equiv. cross for this? I'd like to fix it
> tomorrow.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A 382002083
> LRXFE

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Sun Nov 14 12:47:20 2010
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:47:20 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Hose, radiator to overflow tank
Message-ID: <4CE03CC8.4060205@roadrunner.com>

Two numbers from the CAT Shop Notes:

Gates 20565
Dayco 70531

May be old, but worth a try.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From allanballard at att.net  Sun Nov 14 16:18:22 2010
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:18:22 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] 5 bolt 289 ?
In-Reply-To: <90cd8.540c45e6.3a11839e@aol.com>
References: <90cd8.540c45e6.3a11839e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <535CEC8F-A28E-4F8A-8F36-72F759C21616@att.net>

Recently I bought a 5 bolt 289, intending to rebuild and install in my Tiger,
or to swap
it as a core for a crate motor.

However it has differences...

For example something resembling a fuel pump is attached to the front and
that won't work for a Tiger.

Without detailing all the differences, and admitting "small knowledge" in this
area,
is it safe to assume the Tiger peripherals will bolt up without modification?

Is "5 bolt" bell-housing all I need to know to make it work?

I'd hate to spend the $$ on a block that needs modification.

Allan Ballard
Mk1a Tiger
S IV Alpine

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sun Nov 14 19:00:16 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:00:16 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] 5 bolt 289 ?
References: <90cd8.540c45e6.3a11839e@aol.com>
	<535CEC8F-A28E-4F8A-8F36-72F759C21616@att.net>
Message-ID: <EB1406657CDE4080A923BDFD607D782C@student2>

Allan,

  I have a 5 bolt 289 in my early Tiger.  I did not put it in, so I can't 
tell you everything involved.  But having studied the install I will offer 
the following:

1. Yes, you will need a 5 bolt bellhousing. There were two types of 
Toploader bolt patterns. My early Tiger was the narrow type and I believe, 
but am not 100% sure all Tigers were.  My guess is that the 5 bolt is only 
the narrow type. The only issue might be if your transmission/bellhousing 
was replaced with a wider type mount. Given that you are asking about the 5 
bolt causes me to speculate that you might have a 6 bolt???.

2. The fuel pump block off plate transfers right over, or is bought from any 
speed shop, or created with a plate of aluminum, a saw and a drill (and file 
to make nice).

3. I am lead to believe that the Tiger has a less than common timing chain 
cover/water pump housing for radiator clearance. How that transfers over 
correctly  from a Tiger to a 289 I can't say.

4.  My understanding is you will need to use the Tiger pulley system for 
clearance.

%. The only other things that come to mind are the generator, oil filter 
mounts and the dip stick.  Sorry I can't help you here as I have an import 
alternator and an angled block mount filter.

  Hopefully there are others with more experience that will reply.

Tom (Witt) 

From randya at pacbell.net  Sun Nov 14 19:13:19 2010
From: randya at pacbell.net (Randall Antosiak)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 18:13:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] 5 bolt 289 ?
In-Reply-To: <535CEC8F-A28E-4F8A-8F36-72F759C21616@att.net>
References: <90cd8.540c45e6.3a11839e@aol.com>
	<535CEC8F-A28E-4F8A-8F36-72F759C21616@att.net>
Message-ID: <276459.33949.qm@web81901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Allan - 
I put a 5 bolt 289 in my Tiger a few years back, and I don't recall any problems 
bolting up the Tiger peripherals.  I had problems only where I decided to 
upgrade my engine, like with GT40 heads and higher compression pistons.  


- Randy A.





________________________________
From: Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net>
To: Beamclub TIGER <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
Sent: Sun, November 14, 2010 3:18:22 PM
Subject: [Tigers] 5 bolt 289 ?

Recently I bought a 5 bolt 289, intending to rebuild and install in my Tiger,
or to swap
it as a core for a crate motor.

However it has differences...

For example something resembling a fuel pump is attached to the front and
that won't work for a Tiger.

Without detailing all the differences, and admitting "small knowledge" in this
area,
is it safe to assume the Tiger peripherals will bolt up without modification?

Is "5 bolt" bell-housing all I need to know to make it work?

I'd hate to spend the $$ on a block that needs modification.

Allan Ballard
Mk1a Tiger
S IV Alpine
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From wseay at embarqmail.com  Sun Nov 14 19:24:13 2010
From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 21:24:13 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] hose, radiator to header tank
In-Reply-To: <4CE03319.9060508@cthompson.net>
References: <90cd8.540c45e6.3a11839e@aol.com> <4CE03319.9060508@cthompson.net>
Message-ID: <000001cb846c$32549710$96fdc530$@com>

You can add Gates 20686 to the list for the Upper hose.  I think it's a better
fit than the Dayco 70627 and it's currently available from Rock Auto.

Will Seay

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Chris Thompson
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 2:06 PM
To: Rollright at aol.com
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] hose, radiator to header tank

John Logan posted this a while back:

According to my records, The Tiger cooling hoses can be made from the
following.

Upper
Dayco  627
NAPA  7459
Dayco  70627
Dayco 71015
Dayco CH 666

Lower
Ford  KM 178
NAPA 7746 or 7776 or 8205
Gates  20753 or 21034
Autozone M-065.

Expansion Tank
NAPA 8205
Dayco 71218 or 70531
Discount or Advance Auto Parts C 71218.

John Logan

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Nov 14 19:35:13 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 21:35:13 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] 5 bolt 289 ?
In-Reply-To: <535CEC8F-A28E-4F8A-8F36-72F759C21616@att.net>
Message-ID: <F4F6797C086D4766AE0D03C839A96C7A@ronpc1>

Allan

	The 260 and the 289 engine block are basically the same casting
design starting in 1963 and all the peripherals will bolt on.

The Tiger has a block off plate over the fuel pump position.  The 260 has a
5 bolt bell housing so if you have one it should fit right on the 289.  

I will gladly go through the casting numbers with you on the 289 if that
will help you understand what you have.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Allan Ballard
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 6:18 PM
To: Beamclub TIGER
Subject: [Tigers] 5 bolt 289 ?


Recently I bought a 5 bolt 289, intending to rebuild and install in my
Tiger, or to swap it as a core for a crate motor.

However it has differences...

For example something resembling a fuel pump is attached to the front and
that won't work for a Tiger.

Without detailing all the differences, and admitting "small knowledge" in
this area, is it safe to assume the Tiger peripherals will bolt up without
modification?

Is "5 bolt" bell-housing all I need to know to make it work?

I'd hate to spend the $$ on a block that needs modification.

Allan Ballard
Mk1a Tiger
S IV Alpine
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Nov 14 19:42:53 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 21:42:53 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] 5 bolt 289 ?
In-Reply-To: <EB1406657CDE4080A923BDFD607D782C@student2>
Message-ID: <95F261133665407E8F7D0E41B4B1403C@ronpc1>

Timing chain cover is a stock Ford part and the water pump is also stock
Ford.  The position of the flange for the fan on the water pump is the only
difference.  If you still have the original parts you will find a Ford logo,
casting number and casting date cast into these parts.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Thomas Witt
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 9:00 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 5 bolt 289 ?


Allan,

  I have a 5 bolt 289 in my early Tiger.  I did not put it in, so I can't
tell you everything involved.  But having studied the install I will offer
the following:

1. Yes, you will need a 5 bolt bellhousing. There were two types of
Toploader bolt patterns. My early Tiger was the narrow type and I believe,
but am not 100% sure all Tigers were.  My guess is that the 5 bolt is only
the narrow type. The only issue might be if your transmission/bellhousing
was replaced with a wider type mount. Given that you are asking about the 5
bolt causes me to speculate that you might have a 6 bolt???.

2. The fuel pump block off plate transfers right over, or is bought from any

speed shop, or created with a plate of aluminum, a saw and a drill (and file

to make nice).

3. I am lead to believe that the Tiger has a less than common timing chain
cover/water pump housing for radiator clearance. How that transfers over
correctly  from a Tiger to a 289 I can't say.

4.  My understanding is you will need to use the Tiger pulley system for
clearance.

%. The only other things that come to mind are the generator, oil filter
mounts and the dip stick.  Sorry I can't help you here as I have an import
alternator and an angled block mount filter.

  Hopefully there are others with more experience that will reply.

Tom (Witt)
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From ora_archy at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 14 21:22:13 2010
From: ora_archy at yahoo.com (Brian Glenn)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 20:22:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] clock
In-Reply-To: <8CD522C30710E51-1A50-14C9B@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <485107.40042.qm@web112517.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Bob,
 
The Tiger wiring diagrams (all models) list clock wiring as brown with blue
piping in and black out to ground.
 
Brian

--- On Sun, 11/14/10, barncobob at aol.com <barncobob at aol.com> wrote:


From: barncobob at aol.com <barncobob at aol.com>
Subject: [Tigers] clock
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, November 14, 2010, 8:00 AM


are the tigers prewired for clocks or is it a add on to the wiring
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From marcsmall at comcast.net  Sun Nov 14 22:01:36 2010
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 00:01:36 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] clock
In-Reply-To: <485107.40042.qm@web112517.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <8CD522C30710E51-1A50-14C9B@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com>
	<485107.40042.qm@web112517.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20101115050144.D0CDC187643@autox.team.net>

At 11:22 PM 11/14/2010, Brian Glenn wrote:
 >Bob,
 >
 >The Tiger wiring diagrams (all models) list clock wiring as brown with blue
 >piping in and black out to ground.

That was not the question.  The fellow was asking
whether the wiring was included in Tigers sold
without clocks.  I do not know the answer, though
I probably ought to -- I have spent enough gritty
hours under Tiger dashs over the years, and many
more under Alpine dashes.  I would like to know.

Was the clock wiring included in the wiring loom
of cars which were sold without clocks?

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!

From macdonald49 at shaw.ca  Sun Nov 14 22:55:17 2010
From: macdonald49 at shaw.ca (Peter MacDonald)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 21:55:17 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] AC, Cobras and Tigers
Message-ID: <29021030-1CF7-40DA-B29B-2B79CF1F41F3@shaw.ca>

Here is some info from Graham Vickery of STOC that the asked me to
pass along. Great photos and lots of AC info and even some pics of
the AC Mk VI.

Peter MacDonald

  Whilst a bunch of us were competing in our Tigers at Brooklands in
the Double 12 (against Cobras) this past June I noticed that AC
Heritage is now located at the top of the Test Hill in the old BARC
buildings. Its all here: http://www.acheritage.co.uk/
ShelbyFruabeyond.html

We paid a visit and clearly the business is a start up but thriving
enterprise  http://www.acheritage.co.uk/buildingapr2010~83.html

Graham Vickery

www.sunbeamtiger.co.uk
stoc at sunbeamtiger.co.uk

P.S. Zillions of pics of the Tigers amd Cobras at Brooklands here
http://www.sunbeamtiger.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=620

From ora_archy at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 15 00:00:27 2010
From: ora_archy at yahoo.com (Brian Glenn)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 23:00:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] clock
Message-ID: <501145.84405.qm@web112506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Marc,
 
Good point.  I'll check my wiring tomorrow. I have one with and one without,
though I can't say until I check whether my Tiger with a clock was
factory/dealer installed, i.e., properly wired, or added by a PO. 
 
Again, referring to the wiring diagrams, the clock power (illustrated by a
dashed line as "optional extra equipment") is taken off the light switch with
no connectors illustrated. Given this setup, the clock wiring would not be
part of the harness.  Whether there was a wire fitted to the switch and left
unconnected where no clock was installed is still a question.
 
Brian

--- On Sun, 11/14/10, Marc James Small <marcsmall at comcast.net> wrote:


From: Marc James Small <marcsmall at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] clock
To: "Brian Glenn" <ora_archy at yahoo.com>, barncobob at aol.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, November 14, 2010, 9:01 PM


At 11:22 PM 11/14/2010, Brian Glenn wrote:
>Bob,
>
>The Tiger wiring diagrams (all models) list clock wiring as brown with blue
>piping in and black out to ground.

That was not the question.  The fellow was asking whether the wiring was
included in Tigers sold without clocks.  I do not know the answer, though I
probably ought to -- I have spent enough gritty hours under Tiger dashs over
the years, and many more under Alpine dashes.  I would like to know.

Was the clock wiring included in the wiring loom of cars which were sold
without clocks?

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!

From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 15 00:22:44 2010
From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross Hulse)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 23:22:44 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] clock
In-Reply-To: <20101115050144.D0CDC187643@autox.team.net>
References: <8CD522C30710E51-1A50-14C9B@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com>
	<485107.40042.qm@web112517.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<20101115050144.D0CDC187643@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <001c01cb8495$e5a4d6d0$b0ee8470$@sbcglobal.net>

Yes it was.  

Once the Rootes blank was removed and the clock was fitted the brown wire on
the clock was connected to terminal 1 or 7 (whichever was not used) on the
lighting switch.   Connect the black wire to the temperature gauge earth and
the illumination cable is connected to the single connector attached to the
fuel gauge blub.  No additional wiring is needed.

Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse

At 11:22 PM 11/14/2010, Brian Glenn wrote:
 >Bob,
 >
 >The Tiger wiring diagrams (all models) list clock wiring as brown with
blue  >piping in and black out to ground.

That was not the question.  The fellow was asking whether the wiring was
included in Tigers sold without clocks.  I do not know the answer, though I
probably ought to -- I have spent enough gritty hours under Tiger dashs over
the years, and many more under Alpine dashes.  I would like to know.

Was the clock wiring included in the wiring loom of cars which were sold
without clocks?

Marc


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Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!
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From Rollright at aol.com  Mon Nov 15 06:57:25 2010
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:57:25 EST
Subject: [Tigers] hose, radiator to header tank
Message-ID: <8da84.57aa49fc.3a129645@aol.com>

Went to Pep Boys and got the Dayco 70531. Installed it last night.
 
Right angle is not perfect but works. You actually want a more oblique  
angle. But its on and done.
 
Thanks to all.
 
Jim Armstrong
 
 
In a message dated 11/14/2010 9:24:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
wseay at embarqmail.com writes:

You can  add Gates 20686 to the list for the Upper hose.  I think it's a  
better
fit than the Dayco 70627 and it's currently available from Rock  Auto.

Will Seay

-----Original Message-----
From:  tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] 
 On
Behalf Of Chris Thompson
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 2:06  PM
To: Rollright at aol.com
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: Re:  [Tigers] hose, radiator to header tank

John Logan posted this a while  back:

According to my records, The Tiger cooling hoses can be made from  the
following.

Upper
Dayco  627
NAPA   7459
Dayco  70627
Dayco 71015
Dayco CH  666

Lower
Ford  KM 178
NAPA 7746 or 7776 or  8205
Gates  20753 or 21034
Autozone M-065.

Expansion  Tank
NAPA 8205
Dayco 71218 or 70531
Discount or Advance Auto Parts C  71218.

John  Logan

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Nov 15 07:03:59 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:03:59 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] clock
In-Reply-To: <501145.84405.qm@web112506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0E9A24E67964461EA9F013A7EB1F5665@ronpc1>

	The clock Kit is listed in the Special Accessories section of the
Parts List and it is noted as an option on the wire diagrams. This would
seem to indicate that it is a stand alone option.
	Since it is listed as a KIT; the best way to answer the question
would be from someone who has a clock kit or bought and installed a clock
kit from Rootes.  The real question is what is included in the clock kit
from Rootes?   Does it include 2 wires?

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Brian Glenn
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 2:00 AM
To: barncobob at aol.com; Marc James Small
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] clock


Marc,

Good point.  I'll check my wiring tomorrow. I have one with and one without,
though I can't say until I check whether my Tiger with a clock was
factory/dealer installed, i.e., properly wired, or added by a PO.

Again, referring to the wiring diagrams, the clock power (illustrated by a
dashed line as "optional extra equipment") is taken off the light switch
with no connectors illustrated. Given this setup, the clock wiring would not
be part of the harness.  Whether there was a wire fitted to the switch and
left unconnected where no clock was installed is still a question.

Brian

--- On Sun, 11/14/10, Marc James Small <marcsmall at comcast.net> wrote:


From: Marc James Small <marcsmall at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] clock
To: "Brian Glenn" <ora_archy at yahoo.com>, barncobob at aol.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, November 14, 2010, 9:01 PM


At 11:22 PM 11/14/2010, Brian Glenn wrote:
>Bob,
>
>The Tiger wiring diagrams (all models) list clock wiring as brown with
>blue piping in and black out to ground.

That was not the question.  The fellow was asking whether the wiring was
included in Tigers sold without clocks.  I do not know the answer, though I
probably ought to -- I have spent enough gritty hours under Tiger dashs over
the years, and many more under Alpine dashes.  I would like to know.

Was the clock wiring included in the wiring loom of cars which were sold
without clocks?

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!
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From allanballard at att.net  Mon Nov 15 07:34:16 2010
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:34:16 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] 5 bolt 289 ?
In-Reply-To: <F4F6797C086D4766AE0D03C839A96C7A@ronpc1>
References: <F4F6797C086D4766AE0D03C839A96C7A@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <05178218-2C9A-489E-8342-EB09485E2CFF@att.net>

Ron,

The casting # is C4OE 6016C.

I think that means a 1964 289.

Allan



On Nov 14, 2010, at 9:35 PM, Ron Fraser wrote:

> Allan
> 
> 	The 260 and the 289 engine block are basically the same casting
> design starting in 1963 and all the peripherals will bolt on.
> 
> The Tiger has a block off plate over the fuel pump position.  The 260 has a
> 5 bolt bell housing so if you have one it should fit right on the 289.  
> 
> I will gladly go through the casting numbers with you on the 289 if that
> will help you understand what you have.
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard
> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 6:18 PM
> To: Beamclub TIGER
> Subject: [Tigers] 5 bolt 289 ?
> 
> 
> Recently I bought a 5 bolt 289, intending to rebuild and install in my
> Tiger, or to swap it as a core for a crate motor.
> 
> However it has differences...
> 
> For example something resembling a fuel pump is attached to the front and
> that won't work for a Tiger.
> 
> Without detailing all the differences, and admitting "small knowledge" in
> this area, is it safe to assume the Tiger peripherals will bolt up without
> modification?
> 
> Is "5 bolt" bell-housing all I need to know to make it work?
> 
> I'd hate to spend the $$ on a block that needs modification.
> 
> Allan Ballard
> Mk1a Tiger
> S IV Alpine
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From tigger at missiongranite.com  Mon Nov 15 12:37:37 2010
From: tigger at missiongranite.com (Alan Zeni)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:37:37 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] holy moly
Message-ID: <002d01cb84fc$8f4722e0$0200000a@wearezs.com>

Whomever has the infected computer, please fix it.  I only use this account
for the list and it has already received 2 spams today.  I don't want to
change my account again.

From stubrennan at comcast.net  Mon Nov 15 16:19:01 2010
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 18:19:01 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] United cars on Shelby page
In-Reply-To: <000401cb7e87$b25ec0b0$6601a8c0@Brennan>
Message-ID: <000001cb851b$802bdac0$6601a8c0@Brennan>

Well, it's been a week.  I've contacted their PR folks, their webmaster,
and management, all through the links on their web page, and my stolen
photos are still on the Shelby American web page.  It seems odd that an
organization that is so well known for trying to protect their name and
intellectual property, does not care that they are the recipient of my
stolen intellectual property.

I'll be trying registered letters to their management folks next.  Does
anyone out there know who stole my photos, or care to admit that they
did it?

Are there any lawyers on here willing to throw a threatening letter
together to get Shelby's attention?  I can prove I own the original
photos.

Stu

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Nov 15 16:55:33 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 17:55:33 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] United cars on Shelby page
In-Reply-To: <000001cb851b$802bdac0$6601a8c0@Brennan>
References: <000401cb7e87$b25ec0b0$6601a8c0@Brennan>
	<000001cb851b$802bdac0$6601a8c0@Brennan>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E1B53476@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

Stu,
You need to hit up their ISP or hosting organization, not their webmaster,
with a DMCA takedown notice.

http://brainz.org/dmca-takedown-101/

Turns out that Shelbyautos.com is registered through godaddy.com...

http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=shelbyautos.com&prog_id=godaddy

Theo



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stu Brennan
> Sent: November 15, 2010 4:19 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] United cars on Shelby page
>
> Well, it's been a week.  I've contacted their PR folks, their
> webmaster,
> and management, all through the links on their web page, and my stolen
> photos are still on the Shelby American web page.  It seems odd that an
> organization that is so well known for trying to protect their name and
> intellectual property, does not care that they are the recipient of my
> stolen intellectual property.
>
> I'll be trying registered letters to their management folks next.  Does
> anyone out there know who stole my photos, or care to admit that they
> did it?
>
> Are there any lawyers on here willing to throw a threatening letter
> together to get Shelby's attention?  I can prove I own the original
> photos.
>
> Stu
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From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Mon Nov 15 17:00:36 2010
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:00:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd:  United cars on Shelby page
Message-ID: <9ef69.6242983a.3a1323a4@aol.com>

How have you been harmed???
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: 11/15/2010  2:43:50 P.M. Pacific Standard Time
Subj: Re: [Tigers] United cars on Shelby  page


Well, it's been a week.  I've contacted their PR folks,  their webmaster,
and management, all through the links on their web page,  and my stolen
photos are still on the Shelby American web page.  It  seems odd that an
organization that is so well known for trying to protect  their name and
intellectual property, does not care that they are the  recipient of my
stolen intellectual property.

I'll be trying  registered letters to their management folks next.  Does
anyone out  there know who stole my photos, or care to admit that they
did  it?

Are there any lawyers on here willing to throw a threatening  letter
together to get Shelby's attention?  I can prove I own the  original
photos.

Stu
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From sralsten111 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 17:13:29 2010
From: sralsten111 at gmail.com (Steve Ralsten)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 16:13:29 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] United cars on Shelby page
In-Reply-To: <000001cb851b$802bdac0$6601a8c0@Brennan>
References: <000401cb7e87$b25ec0b0$6601a8c0@Brennan>
	<000001cb851b$802bdac0$6601a8c0@Brennan>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikQ3Mcv+vvaFy0_OHuZX1Z_oqJnZRd8A4-QK7uN@mail.gmail.com>

That is really remarkable that they didn't even ask before using. Are they
linked to your site or did they really download and steal them. If its just
a link you can stop them by changing the picture name at your webpage

From barncobob at aol.com  Mon Nov 15 17:50:01 2010
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:50:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] steering column
Message-ID: <8CD533F55C6BC16-18C-4AB9@webmail-d007.sysops.aol.com>

does anyone have a blowup/schematic of the parts in the adjustable steering
column. thanx in advance.

From tgrrr at peoplepc.com  Mon Nov 15 17:59:13 2010
From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 16:59:13 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] 5 bolt 289 ?
References: <F4F6797C086D4766AE0D03C839A96C7A@ronpc1>
	<05178218-2C9A-489E-8342-EB09485E2CFF@att.net>
Message-ID: <B3CA8FFC7E1541D19391839BA14869F7@bob>

According to my High Performance Ford Engine Parts Interchange book the 
casting number C40E 6015C would be correct for a 63-64 289 engine block. It 
shows all engine block casting numbers as 6015 but nothing for 6016.
There should also be a 4 digit code stamped into the small boss on the top 
front left (as viewed from rear) side of the block deck (a water pump bolt 
threads into the front of it). This is the date code (year, month and day) 
of casting or manufacture.  For example 4F17 would be 1964, June (F being 
6th letter of alphabet) and 17th day.

Bob H

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Allan Ballard" <allanballard at att.net>
To: <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Cc: "'Beamclub TIGER'" <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 6:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 5 bolt 289 ?


> Ron,
>
> The casting # is C4OE 6016C.
>
> I think that means a 1964 289.
>
> Allan
>
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2010, at 9:35 PM, Ron Fraser wrote:
>
>> Allan
>>
>> The 260 and the 289 engine block are basically the same casting
>> design starting in 1963 and all the peripherals will bolt on.
>>
>> The Tiger has a block off plate over the fuel pump position.  The 260 has 
>> a
>> 5 bolt bell housing so if you have one it should fit right on the 289.
>>
>> I will gladly go through the casting numbers with you on the 289 if that
>> will help you understand what you have.
>>
>> Ron Fraser
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
>> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
>> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard
>> Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 6:18 PM
>> To: Beamclub TIGER
>> Subject: [Tigers] 5 bolt 289 ?
>>
>>
>> Recently I bought a 5 bolt 289, intending to rebuild and install in my
>> Tiger, or to swap it as a core for a crate motor.
>>
>> However it has differences...
>>
>> For example something resembling a fuel pump is attached to the front and
>> that won't work for a Tiger.
>>
>> Without detailing all the differences, and admitting "small knowledge" in
>> this area, is it safe to assume the Tiger peripherals will bolt up 
>> without
>> modification?
>>
>> Is "5 bolt" bell-housing all I need to know to make it work?
>>
>> I'd hate to spend the $$ on a block that needs modification.
>>
>> Allan Ballard
>> Mk1a Tiger
>> S IV Alpine
>> _______________________________________________
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From tgrrr at peoplepc.com  Mon Nov 15 18:06:58 2010
From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 17:06:58 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Event
Message-ID: <3659B261C930487286D2BE55A705EA27@bob>

A rumor has been circulating that there may be a Sunbeam gathering in 
Shelton, Washington summer of 2011. Is anybody able to confirm, deny or add 
information relating to this?

Bob H 

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Nov 15 18:16:36 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:16:36 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] steering column
In-Reply-To: <8CD533F55C6BC16-18C-4AB9@webmail-d007.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <49A40116D13847D78D4633FEBFB0ACCB@ronpc1>

The Shop Manual has a good picture; Section J, page 7 and the Parts List has
an exploded view.

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/FactParts.asp

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsm3.asp

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of barncobob at aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 7:50 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] steering column


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From v8tracker at gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 22:54:30 2010
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 23:54:30 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd:  United cars on Shelby page
In-Reply-To: <9ef69.6242983a.3a1323a4@aol.com>
References: <9ef69.6242983a.3a1323a4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C67833B72B4740A1BD7D5CD3CE0CCCA9@DellD4700>

They are Stu's pictures; they do not belong to the Shelby website. That is
enough for me.

A. C. Tynes
New Orleans

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of AAAGLASSS at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 6:01 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: United cars on Shelby page
> 
> How have you been harmed???
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent: 11/15/2010  2:43:50 P.M. Pacific Standard Time
> Subj: Re: [Tigers] United cars on Shelby  page
> 
> 
> Well, it's been a week.  I've contacted their PR folks,  
> their webmaster, and management, all through the links on 
> their web page,  and my stolen photos are still on the Shelby 
> American web page.  It  seems odd that an organization that 
> is so well known for trying to protect  their name and 
> intellectual property, does not care that they are the  
> recipient of my stolen intellectual property.
> 
> I'll be trying  registered letters to their management folks 
> next.  Does anyone out  there know who stole my photos, or 
> care to admit that they did  it?
> 
> Are there any lawyers on here willing to throw a threatening  
> letter together to get Shelby's attention?  I can prove I own 
> the  original photos.
> 
> Stu
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From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 07:15:09 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] a piece of the pie
Message-ID: <003501cb8587$e9e88500$0201a8c0@chesapeake4>

Hi Stu,  Since it was my car,  can I get a cut??  Ha Ha!!!!  Clyde...maybe
we'll have to endorse Z Max or some other "snake oil"  product in order to get
paid

From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com  Tue Nov 16 06:49:38 2010
From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:49:38 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Oil
Message-ID: <d19c8.693cbd03.3a13e5f2@aol.com>

Would changing to synthetic oils eliminate the need for the additives  that 
are supposed to reduce wear on the valve train?
 
Fred Baum

From arado7 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 16 07:20:28 2010
From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 06:20:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Oil
In-Reply-To: <d19c8.693cbd03.3a13e5f2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <722733.75420.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have used Mobil 1 15/50 since 1986.  No discernible wear.  I dont live in
the Artic.    Gary B9472283

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From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com <FHSLOTH13 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 1:49 PM


Would changing to synthetic oils eliminate the need for the additives  that
are supposed to reduce wear on the valve train?

Fred Baum
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From sralsten111 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 07:37:24 2010
From: sralsten111 at gmail.com (Steve Ralsten)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 06:37:24 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Pictures
Message-ID: <AANLkTim0dc__3AYmtzCJP0aZEhi1fnyQ3VSCWcGpQvO7@mail.gmail.com>

One way to avoid theft, and this is theft is to watermarque photos placed on
line. Semi opaque text.

PROPERTY OF XXXXXXX

Right across center of photo works great

From spook01 at comcast.net  Tue Nov 16 07:47:26 2010
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:47:26 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Oil?=
Message-ID: <20101116144641.802CB18764A@autox.team.net>

Used chainsaw oil seems to work ok.  After all, it has stood the test of trees!

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

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I have used Mobil 1 15/50 since 1986.  No discernible wear.  I dont live in
the Artic.    Gary B9472283

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From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com <FHSLOTH13 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 1:49 PM


Would changing to synthetic oils eliminate the need for the additives  that
are supposed to reduce wear on the valve train?

Fred Baum
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From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 16 08:38:27 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 07:38:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Beg, Borrow or Steal
Message-ID: <317638.22011.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

"Well, it's been a week.  I've contacted their PR folks, their webmaster,
and management, all through the links on their web page, and my stolen
photos are still on the Shelby American web page.  It seems odd that an
organization that is so well known for trying to protect their name and
intellectual property, does not care that they are the recipient of my
stolen intellectual property.

I'll be trying registered letters to their management folks next.  Does
anyone out there know who stole my photos, or care to admit that they
did it?

Are there any lawyers on here willing to throw a threatening letter
together to get Shelby's attention?  I can prove I own the original
photos."
 
 
Unless you copyright your photos or have some sort of statement warning
against using the photos without permission, you may be out of luck.  I would
take this as a warning to  copyright photos, or innovative suspension systems,
 before someone else steals them.
 
 
                                           Jeff

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Tue Nov 16 09:03:55 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:03:55 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Beg, Borrow or Steal
In-Reply-To: <317638.22011.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E1B534E6@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

I'm not up to date on US copyright law, but there are some things that have
implicit copyright in many jurisdictions. On the other hand, the terms of
service for many picture sharing sites require you to allow retransmission of
your images, at least by the picture sharing site. This may erode some of your
copyright privileges.

So read your terms of service, and when in doubt place explicit notice on your
photos.
Theo



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From sralsten111 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 09:43:30 2010
From: sralsten111 at gmail.com (Steve Ralsten)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:43:30 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Photos
Message-ID: <AANLkTin0t97n8ag8iGMovF1K6hErb8ZgHSY2oWpV+UOq@mail.gmail.com>

Photos are property of the photographer, assuming release by the model. In
the case of a car show you
don't have any right to expect privacy if you parked yourself or your car in
a public place.

Just because pictures are easy to steal on the net does not mean it is
acceptable behavior.

For future protection watermarque your pictures, so they are less easy to
steal.  Its a semi transparent text containing your name across
the photo making it unusable for others and completely identifiable to you.
Text can be any size, font, or
degree of opacity. But it should be near the center of the image so it can't
just be cropped off. Heres
an example from a photo website I visit. This one is overkill in my opinion
but you
get the idea. You can google photo watermarque and probably find numerous
cheap or free softwares to do this.

http://photocamel.com/forum/image-editing-color-management/61792-watermark-too-much.html

From barncobob at aol.com  Tue Nov 16 09:54:18 2010
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:54:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] steering wheel question
Message-ID: <8CD53C60AF4AE7F-1784-928@Webmail-m116.sysops.aol.com>

my car came with a grant wheel. how does the adjustable(in/out) work, how do
you lock it in one position. i dont know if the guy mickey moused the
internals or what. i cant see what keeps it from moving in and out(closer or
farther away from driver)

From barncobob at aol.com  Tue Nov 16 10:24:44 2010
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:24:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] i think i have it figured out
Message-ID: <8CD53CA4B6CB605-1E50-D71@webmail-d007.sysops.aol.com>

ron fraser was gracious enough to send me the schematic and instructions which
i overlooked. i think im missing a part somewhere so i wil just keep digging
thru the info, thanks

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Nov 16 11:23:20 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:23:20 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] steering wheel question
In-Reply-To: <8CD53C60AF4AE7F-1784-928@Webmail-m116.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <79FBDD8E0929446EB4144F66D0F72327@ronpc1>

	 Look at the picture in the Shop Manual on page 7, Section J.
Part #4 is the splined extension that move in an out
Part #3 is the expander bolt

	On the standard Tiger steering wheel you turn the center cap that
turns the adjusting nut, you tap the center cap down which releases the
expander bolt from wedging the extension in place.  The steering wheel
should now move in and out but may need some lube to move freely.  Place the
steering wheel where you like and tighten down the adjusting nut by turning
the center cap.

	It is very possible that the last owner did not get all the parts
working for this but hopefully all the part are still there.

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To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] steering wheel question


my car came with a grant wheel. how does the adjustable(in/out) work, how do
you lock it in one position. i dont know if the guy mickey moused the
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Nov 16 12:13:20 2010
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:13:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] steering wheel question
In-Reply-To: <79FBDD8E0929446EB4144F66D0F72327@ronpc1>
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I have a Tiger with a Grant wheel installed by the PO.
I WAS a nice wheel, made in Italy, I was surprised to find out
it was a Grant.  When he installed it, he eliminated the adjust
feature probably because it would look stupid with the big
"knob" in the center.  He used an old socket(mickyed!) to fill up the slack
in the adjuster and it is now adjustable but only with tools.
It is actually a fine setup because my other Tiger with the
stock adjustment is always loose so the wheel slides in and
out.  Come to think of it, I got fed up with that and tightened it
down with tools too...  I like the wheel all the way in anyway...
Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
To: barncobob at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:23:20 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] steering wheel question

     Look at the picture in the Shop Manual on page 7, Section J.
Part #4 is the splined extension that move in an out
Part #3 is the expander bolt

    On the standard Tiger steering wheel you turn the center cap that
turns the adjusting nut, you tap the center cap down which releases the
expander bolt from wedging the extension in place.  The steering wheel
should now move in and out but may need some lube to move freely.  Place the
steering wheel where you like and tighten down the adjusting nut by turning
the center cap.

    It is very possible that the last owner did not get all the parts
working for this but hopefully all the part are still there.

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of barncobob at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 11:54 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] steering wheel question


my car came with a grant wheel. how does the adjustable(in/out) work, how do
you lock it in one position. i dont know if the guy mickey moused the
internals or what. i cant see what keeps it from moving in and out(closer or
farther away from driver) _______________________________________________

From ora_archy at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 16 13:27:12 2010
From: ora_archy at yahoo.com (Brian Glenn)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 12:27:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Bearing for 302
Message-ID: <431655.36997.qm@web112514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I'm installing a 302 in one of my Tigers. My mechanic tells me that the clutch
bearing is to short. I'm not very familiar with variations in the clutch
assembly and would appreciate some guidance.
 
Thanks,
Brian
B382000846LRXFE
 

From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 13:59:43 2010
From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:59:43 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Bearing for 302
In-Reply-To: <431655.36997.qm@web112514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <431655.36997.qm@web112514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00fe01cb85d1$3333e850$999bb8f0$@com>

Hi Brian, Do you know if he's talking about the throwout bearing or the
pilot bearing? (Probably throwout)...what year approximate motor and
transmission are you running?



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Brian Glenn
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 2:27 PM
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Bearing for 302

I'm installing a 302 in one of my Tigers. My mechanic tells me that the
clutch
bearing is to short. I'm not very familiar with variations in the clutch
assembly and would appreciate some guidance.
 
Thanks,
Brian
B382000846LRXFE

From ora_archy at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 16 14:13:06 2010
From: ora_archy at yahoo.com (Brian Glenn)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:13:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Bearing for 302
In-Reply-To: <00fe01cb85d1$3333e850$999bb8f0$@com>
Message-ID: <540015.18198.qm@web112505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Cullen,
 
It is the throwout bearing that is "too short".  Apparently there are at least
three separated sizes.
 
Currently, the fork cannot move far enough to disengage the clutch.  The
pushrod is sufficiently long (based on earlier online discussions). 
 
I'm not sure of the manufacture date on the 302 (though I believe it is an
older model), but I have a standard toploader that came with the car (Mk1A). 
Hope this helps.
 
Thanks,
Brian

--- On Tue, 11/16/10, Cullen McCann <clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Cullen McCann <clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Clutch Bearing for 302
To: "'Brian Glenn'" <ora_archy at yahoo.com>, Tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 12:59 PM


Hi Brian, Do you know if he's talking about the throwout bearing or the
pilot bearing? (Probably throwout)...what year approximate motor and
transmission are you running?



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Brian Glenn
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 2:27 PM
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Bearing for 302

I'm installing a 302 in one of my Tigers. My mechanic tells me that the
clutch
bearing is to short. I'm not very familiar with variations in the clutch
assembly and would appreciate some guidance.

Thanks,
Brian
B382000846LRXFE

From sganz at pacbell.net  Tue Nov 16 14:28:55 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:28:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Bearing for 302
In-Reply-To: <431655.36997.qm@web112514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <431655.36997.qm@web112514.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <404977.63687.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Don't know if it matters if you are using a 3-Finger pressure plate vs. the 
Diaphram type. Also if this was working then something has changed to make it 
not work that could be a clue into what might be a problem. Also depending on 
the bell housing you might have to use an adjustable stud (Like on some scatter 
sheilds) vs the stock style hook (I guess that what you call it) it may need to 
be set up.

Sandy




________________________________
From: Brian Glenn <ora_archy at yahoo.com>
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, November 16, 2010 12:27:12 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Bearing for 302

I'm installing a 302 in one of my Tigers. My mechanic tells me that the clutch
bearing is to short. I'm not very familiar with variations in the clutch
assembly and would appreciate some guidance.

Thanks,
Brian
B382000846LRXFE

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From allanballard at att.net  Tue Nov 16 16:08:56 2010
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:08:56 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] steering wheel question
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If the stock wheel is loose - something is wrong?


On Nov 16, 2010, at 2:13 PM, garywinblad at comcast.net wrote:

> I have a Tiger with a Grant wheel installed by the PO.
> I WAS a nice wheel, made in Italy, I was surprised to find out
> it was a Grant.  When he installed it, he eliminated the adjust
> feature probably because it would look stupid with the big
> "knob" in the center.  He used an old socket(mickyed!) to fill up the slack
> in the adjuster and it is now adjustable but only with tools.
> It is actually a fine setup because my other Tiger with the
> stock adjustment is always loose so the wheel slides in and
> out.  Come to think of it, I got fed up with that and tightened it
> down with tools too...  I like the wheel all the way in anyway...
> Gary
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
> To: barncobob at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:23:20 -0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] steering wheel question
>
>     Look at the picture in the Shop Manual on page 7, Section J.
> Part #4 is the splined extension that move in an out
> Part #3 is the expander bolt
>
>    On the standard Tiger steering wheel you turn the center cap that
> turns the adjusting nut, you tap the center cap down which releases the
> expander bolt from wedging the extension in place.  The steering wheel
> should now move in and out but may need some lube to move freely.  Place
the
> steering wheel where you like and tighten down the adjusting nut by turning
> the center cap.
>
>    It is very possible that the last owner did not get all the parts
> working for this but hopefully all the part are still there.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of barncobob at aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 11:54 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] steering wheel question
>
>
> my car came with a grant wheel. how does the adjustable(in/out) work, how
do
> you lock it in one position. i dont know if the guy mickey moused the
> internals or what. i cant see what keeps it from moving in and out(closer
or
> farther away from driver) _______________________________________________
> _______________________________________________
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Nov 16 17:16:21 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:16:21 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] steering wheel question
In-Reply-To: <B1A58384-F353-4821-85B7-A7B9A1225F45@att.net>
Message-ID: <016E43D7398A431A974AD57FAA6A8BEF@ronpc1>

Correct

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Allan Ballard
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 6:09 PM
To: garywinblad at comcast.net
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] steering wheel question


If the stock wheel is loose - something is wrong?


On Nov 16, 2010, at 2:13 PM, garywinblad at comcast.net wrote:

> I have a Tiger with a Grant wheel installed by the PO.
> I WAS a nice wheel, made in Italy, I was surprised to find out it was 
> a Grant.  When he installed it, he eliminated the adjust feature 
> probably because it would look stupid with the big "knob" in the 
> center.  He used an old socket(mickyed!) to fill up the slack in the 
> adjuster and it is now adjustable but only with tools. It is actually 
> a fine setup because my other Tiger with the stock adjustment is 
> always loose so the wheel slides in and out.  Come to think of it, I 
> got fed up with that and tightened it down with tools too...  I like 
> the wheel all the way in anyway... Gary
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
> To: barncobob at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:23:20 -0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] steering wheel question
>
>     Look at the picture in the Shop Manual on page 7, Section J. Part 
> #4 is the splined extension that move in an out Part #3 is the 
> expander bolt
>
>    On the standard Tiger steering wheel you turn the center cap that 
> turns the adjusting nut, you tap the center cap down which releases 
> the expander bolt from wedging the extension in place.  The steering 
> wheel should now move in and out but may need some lube to move 
> freely.  Place
the
> steering wheel where you like and tighten down the adjusting nut by 
> turning the center cap.
>
>    It is very possible that the last owner did not get all the parts 
> working for this but hopefully all the part are still there.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of barncobob at aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 11:54 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] steering wheel question
>
>
> my car came with a grant wheel. how does the adjustable(in/out) work, 
> how
do
> you lock it in one position. i dont know if the guy mickey moused the 
> internals or what. i cant see what keeps it from moving in and 
> out(closer
or
> farther away from driver) 
> _______________________________________________
> _______________________________________________
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Nov 16 17:39:49 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:39:49 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Bearing for 302
In-Reply-To: <540015.18198.qm@web112505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7662CBB8EB1643C98F1B1601BC553F47@ronpc1>

Brian
	This is a good example of needing to know the block casting # and
the casting date code which are just above the starter and the assembly date
stamped into the block in front of the left head.   You also need to know
what parts are from where, detail really count here.

	The 302 is a 6 bolt block and requires the bell housing and parts
from the 6 bolt configuration.  The early clutch fork is 9 1/4" long, the
later clutch fork is 10 1/2" long; you need the longer one.

	I see a couple different hubs and bearings listed but no dimensions
given.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Brian Glenn
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 4:13 PM
To: Tigers at autox.team.net; Cullen McCann
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch Bearing for 302


Cullen,

It is the throwout bearing that is "too short".  Apparently there are at
least three separated sizes.

Currently, the fork cannot move far enough to disengage the clutch.  The
pushrod is sufficiently long (based on earlier online discussions).

I'm not sure of the manufacture date on the 302 (though I believe it is an
older model), but I have a standard toploader that came with the car (Mk1A).

Hope this helps.

Thanks,
Brian

--- On Tue, 11/16/10, Cullen McCann <clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Cullen McCann <clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Clutch Bearing for 302
To: "'Brian Glenn'" <ora_archy at yahoo.com>, Tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 12:59 PM


Hi Brian, Do you know if he's talking about the throwout bearing or the
pilot bearing? (Probably throwout)...what year approximate motor and
transmission are you running?



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Brian Glenn
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 2:27 PM
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Bearing for 302

I'm installing a 302 in one of my Tigers. My mechanic tells me that the
clutch bearing is to short. I'm not very familiar with variations in the
clutch assembly and would appreciate some guidance.

Thanks,
Brian
B382000846LRXFE
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From tcprager at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 16 21:30:46 2010
From: tcprager at hotmail.com (Thomas Prager)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 22:30:46 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on the Discovery channel
Message-ID: <SNT111-DS3A4B4A84BC82674769BE8CB380@phx.gbl>

Tiger on the Discovery channel

http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/chasing-classic-cars-sunbeam.html<http://dsc.
discovery.com/videos/chasing-classic-cars-sunbeam.html>

From sralsten111 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 21:56:50 2010
From: sralsten111 at gmail.com (Steve Ralsten)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 20:56:50 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on the Discovery channel
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-DS3A4B4A84BC82674769BE8CB380@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT111-DS3A4B4A84BC82674769BE8CB380@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim15c9qFrhSsg5u4ANOxa5eWf0sVRXVzRVODMdE@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for that link

From garywinblad at comcast.net  Wed Nov 17 07:10:21 2010
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:10:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] steering wheel question
In-Reply-To: <B1A58384-F353-4821-85B7-A7B9A1225F45@att.net>
Message-ID: <1140100261.1368132.1290003021536.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

YES it is.  But it's not really worth taking it apart to fix it,
and if I were you, I wouldn't bother to look for the parts
needed to make yours adjustable.
Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: Allan Ballard <allanballard at att.net>
To: garywinblad at comcast.net
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 23:08:56 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] steering wheel question

If the stock wheel is loose - something is wrong?


On Nov 16, 2010, at 2:13 PM, garywinblad at comcast.net wrote:

> I have a Tiger with a Grant wheel installed by the PO.
> I WAS a nice wheel, made in Italy, I was surprised to find out
> it was a Grant.  When he installed it, he eliminated the adjust
> feature probably because it would look stupid with the big
> "knob" in the center.  He used an old socket(mickyed!) to fill up the slack
> in the adjuster and it is now adjustable but only with tools.
> It is actually a fine setup because my other Tiger with the
> stock adjustment is always loose so the wheel slides in and
> out.  Come to think of it, I got fed up with that and tightened it
> down with tools too...  I like the wheel all the way in anyway...
> Gary
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron Fraser 
> To: barncobob at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:23:20 -0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] steering wheel question
> 
>     Look at the picture in the Shop Manual on page 7, Section J.
> Part #4 is the splined extension that move in an out
> Part #3 is the expander bolt
> 
>    On the standard Tiger steering wheel you turn the center cap that
> turns the adjusting nut, you tap the center cap down which releases the
> expander bolt from wedging the extension in place.  The steering wheel
> should now move in and out but may need some lube to move freely.  Place the
> steering wheel where you like and tighten down the adjusting nut by turning
> the center cap.
> 
>    It is very possible that the last owner did not get all the parts
> working for this but hopefully all the part are still there.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of barncobob at aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 11:54 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] steering wheel question
> 
> 
> my car came with a grant wheel. how does the adjustable(in/out) work, how do
> you lock it in one position. i dont know if the guy mickey moused the
> internals or what. i cant see what keeps it from moving in and out(closer or
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Wed Nov 17 07:17:59 2010
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:17:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on the Discovery channel
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-DS3A4B4A84BC82674769BE8CB380@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1035223703.1368576.1290003479538.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

That excellent Tiger "commercial" has been running on HDTV
for about the last year!  Though they cut a few things from your
link video, like the tiger price range.  I am waiting for him to buy
one and feature it on his show.  He did buy and then auction
that Bondurant Cobra already...
Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Prager <tcprager at hotmail.com>
To: tigers_United_forum <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 04:30:46 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on the Discovery channel

Tiger on the Discovery channel

http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/chasing-classic-cars-sunbeam.html
discovery.com/videos/chasing-classic-cars-sunbeam.html>

From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 10:32:23 2010
From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:32:23 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on the Discovery channel
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References: <SNT111-DS3A4B4A84BC82674769BE8CB380@phx.gbl>
	<1035223703.1368576.1290003479538.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <004801cb867d$66255df0$327019d0$@com>

I have to say that I love watching that show....i really enjoy it. I have my
DVR setup to record every single new episode and I think ive seen most of
them. He also bought and auctioned a big block Bondurant cobra race car
recently...it was traditional guardsman blue with white stripes...but I
haven't seen him yet buy this car...id like to see that episode. 

Since I pride myself on being a bit of a "car hunter" or deal hunter. I am
pleased that Wayne spoke highly of the car and its interesting that he
predicted it to be a likely candidate for growing in value in the future. I
mean we all say that about our own cars but so does the local kid with the
76 maverick. ( no offense any maverick owners...) I think that if a Tiger
showed up on an episode of CCC it would be yet another good opportunity for
positive exposure for the marquee. Unlike the get smart movie where Steve
Carrell drove the car out of the museam and it immediately broke down on the
side of the road...   ;(

Cullen
1452 LROFE

From ora_archy at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 17 11:09:51 2010
From: ora_archy at yahoo.com (Brian Glenn)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 10:09:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Front Valance Replacement
Message-ID: <866853.75709.qm@web112506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I'll be removing the front valance from an Alpine (B395002499) to replace a
missing one on one of my Tigers (B382001212).
 
Any words of wisdom from the group, e.g., methods, pitfalls, fit, etc?
 
Thanks in advance.
You guys Rock!
 
Brian

From denismercier at telvic.net  Wed Nov 17 17:25:53 2010
From: denismercier at telvic.net (Mercier Denis)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:25:53 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Joe
Message-ID: <9f9a513afe580bdedac5dbf5497fcac5@telvic.net>

Hi Listers.
His someone know the last name and phone number of Joe who live at Ormond
Beach Florida. I'l sold him im my MKII and i  forget is last name and phone
number.
        Thanks |
        Denis.
       B382000926LRXFE

From barncobob at aol.com  Thu Nov 18 04:12:01 2010
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:12:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] starter replacement
Message-ID: <8CD55288F1EBE42-FF8-47AD3@Webmail-m115.sysops.aol.com>

i suspect my starter is failing. Is it difficult to replace starter on a 260
tiger with headers.Should i be expecting to drop the headers to do this.

From Carmods at aol.com  Thu Nov 18 06:24:59 2010
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:24:59 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Front Valance Replacement
Message-ID: <9259b.137f24f9.3a16832b@aol.com>

I'll be removing the front valance from an Alpine to replace a  missing one 
on one of my Tigers Any words of wisdom from the group, e.g.,  methods, 
pitfalls, fit, etc?


Brian,
I recommend that you bolt the replacement valance on  rather than welding 
it on so that it is easy to replace if it gets  damaged.
 
John Logan

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Nov 18 06:58:26 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:58:26 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] starter replacement
In-Reply-To: <8CD55288F1EBE42-FF8-47AD3@Webmail-m115.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <7FCC83C6B60F4A6594B311B0AE9651CC@ronpc1>

	The first thing you should do is check all the connections from the
battery to the relay to the starter.   I was having some starter issues this
spring and found a couple of loose connections at the relay.   The starter
worked fine after fixing the connections.

	I believe it depends on the headers you have but yes you may have to
loosen or remove that header.  I have not done this so hopefully others will
respond.

	I do recommend you have your starter rebuilt.  I know several people
who bought and exchanged their original Tiger starter only to find the new
one did not fit right.   I'm not sure why they had the problem.

The original Tiger starter Ford part # is C2OZ-11002-A

If you do take the starter out; the engine casting # and casting date code
is in that area.  I would be interested for my Original Tiger Engine Study.

Ron Fraser

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Subject: [Tigers] starter replacement


i suspect my starter is failing. Is it difficult to replace starter on a 260
tiger with headers.Should i be expecting to drop the headers to do this.
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From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com  Thu Nov 18 08:01:33 2010
From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 10:01:33 EST
Subject: [Tigers] starter replacement
Message-ID: <176952.2a75eebd.3a1699cd@aol.com>

Ron is right about checking connections first.
 
Years ago I had a bad starter on my MKII. I bought a new one only to find  
out there is a difference between a starter for and automatic trans and a 
manual  trans, at least for the 289 at that time.
 
Less years ago I replaced the starter on my MKI 260. Come to find out that  
the starter for a 260 is dimensionally different than one for a 289. The 
kid  behind the counter gave me one for a 289 even though I said 260. They 
took it  back with no problem and gave me the correct one.
 
Fred Baum
 
 
In a message dated 11/18/2010 9:05:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
rfraser at bluefrog.com writes:

The first thing you should do is check all the connections from  the
battery to the relay to the starter.   I was having some  starter issues 
this
spring and found a couple of loose connections at the  relay.   The starter
worked fine after fixing the  connections.

I believe it depends on the headers you have  but yes you may have to
loosen or remove that header.  I have not done  this so hopefully others 
will
respond.

I do recommend  you have your starter rebuilt.  I know several people
who bought and  exchanged their original Tiger starter only to find the new
one did not fit  right.   I'm not sure why they had the problem.

The original  Tiger starter Ford part # is C2OZ-11002-A

If you do take the starter  out; the engine casting # and casting date code
is in that area.  I  would be interested for my Original Tiger Engine Study.

Ron  Fraser

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On  Behalf Of barncobob at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 6:12  AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] starter  replacement


i suspect my starter is failing. Is it difficult to  replace starter on a 
260
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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 18 13:18:28 2010
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 12:18:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Front Valance Replacement
In-Reply-To: <9259b.137f24f9.3a16832b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <427787.99414.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

What? The front valance gets damaged???

--- On Thu, 11/18/10, Carmods at aol.com <Carmods at aol.com> wrote:


From: Carmods at aol.com <Carmods at aol.com>
Subject: [Tigers] Front Valance Replacement
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, November 18, 2010, 5:24 AM


I'll be removing the front valance from an Alpine to replace a  missing one
on one of my Tigers Any words of wisdom from the group, e.g., methods,
pitfalls, fit, etc?


Brian,
I recommend that you bolt the replacement valance on rather than welding
it on so that it is easy to replace if it gets damaged.

John Logan
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From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Thu Nov 18 14:44:13 2010
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 16:44:13 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Starter Replacement
Message-ID: <4CE59E2D.6060904@roadrunner.com>

I would endorse the idea of getting your starter rebuilt rather than 
buying another, which may be the incorrect one.  It has been my 
experience that the odds of getting a bad rebuilt starter when providing 
yours as a core is pretty high.  It's better, IMHO, to find someone 
locally who is competent and have them rebuild the starter you have in 
your car.  That way, you know it will fit and you have recourse if it 
doesn't work.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From jliny5 at cox.net  Thu Nov 18 15:43:18 2010
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:43:18 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] starter replacement
In-Reply-To: <7FCC83C6B60F4A6594B311B0AE9651CC@ronpc1>
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Message-ID: <76EFE72FF50D4EC19F23410972953435@JPC>

Hi all

After some problems this summer, I had my starter replaced with a more 
current high torque Ford PMGR starter (Napa Part # 4N9240...$144)) based 
upon some recommendations from this List. It is the same starter as for the 
early 90s Mustang 302. In addition to being more efficient it is smaller 
thereby allowing for some room between the exhaust header and the starter, 
which I was lead to believe would help keep down the heat.

Other than some adjustments to the wiring to accomodate the solenoid built 
right onto the starter, it was a perfect fit. If you are interested I can 
forward a wiring diagram that Tom Parker provided me. I believe Tom also has 
this starter installed.

OBTW...consistent with Ron's adviceI did NOT turn in the old starter.

Jim Lindner
B9470033


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To: <barncobob at aol.com>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] starter replacement


> The first thing you should do is check all the connections from the
> battery to the relay to the starter.   I was having some starter issues 
> this
> spring and found a couple of loose connections at the relay.   The starter
> worked fine after fixing the connections.
>
> I believe it depends on the headers you have but yes you may have to
> loosen or remove that header.  I have not done this so hopefully others 
> will
> respond.
>
> I do recommend you have your starter rebuilt.  I know several people
> who bought and exchanged their original Tiger starter only to find the new
> one did not fit right.   I'm not sure why they had the problem.
>
> The original Tiger starter Ford part # is C2OZ-11002-A
>
> If you do take the starter out; the engine casting # and casting date code
> is in that area.  I would be interested for my Original Tiger Engine 
> Study.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of barncobob at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 6:12 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] starter replacement
>
>
> i suspect my starter is failing. Is it difficult to replace starter on a 
> 260
> tiger with headers.Should i be expecting to drop the headers to do this.
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From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Thu Nov 18 17:58:22 2010
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:58:22 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] starter
Message-ID: <00af01cb8784$dd6a38b0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4>

I think the main difference in starters for the smf is relating to the number
of teeth on the flywheel,  I believe auto and std trans are different numbers
of teeth,  I think one is 164 teeth,  don't remember the other,  Clyde

From modtiger at comcast.net  Thu Nov 18 18:44:24 2010
From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:44:24 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] starter
In-Reply-To: <00af01cb8784$dd6a38b0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4>
References: <00af01cb8784$dd6a38b0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4>
Message-ID: <4CE5D678.7060202@comcast.net>

On 11/18/2010 4:58 PM, Clyde McLaughlin wrote:
> I think the main difference in starters for the smf is relating to the number
> of teeth on the flywheel,  I believe auto and std trans are different numbers
> of teeth,  I think one is 164 teeth,  don't remember the other,  Clyde
> _______________________________________________
The SBF starter for manual transmission application has a machined step 
where it fits into the block plate.  This step is 4.085" in diameter.  
The starter for automatic application has a different depth of 
engagement for a flex plate and has a larger diameter step to prevent 
it's installation in a manual application.

-- 
Tom Hall
ModTiger Engineering LLC
www.tigerengineering.net

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 18 19:05:33 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:05:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] starter replacement
In-Reply-To: <7FCC83C6B60F4A6594B311B0AE9651CC@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <961971.19662.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have a high torque mini starter and there is no way to remove or replace it
with the header type (po installed) on the engine. Not all headers are thjs
way tho.
TtT

--- On Thu, 11/18/10, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:


From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] starter replacement
To: barncobob at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, November 18, 2010, 7:58 AM


    The first thing you should do is check all the connections from the
battery to the relay to the starter.   I was having some starter issues this
spring and found a couple of loose connections at the relay.   The starter
worked fine after fixing the connections.

    I believe it depends on the headers you have but yes you may have to
loosen or remove that header.  I have not done this so hopefully others will
respond.

    I do recommend you have your starter rebuilt.  I know several people
who bought and exchanged their original Tiger starter only to find the new
one did not fit right.   I'm not sure why they had the problem.

The original Tiger starter Ford part # is C2OZ-11002-A

If you do take the starter out; the engine casting # and casting date code
is in that area.  I would be interested for my Original Tiger Engine Study.

Ron Fraser

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To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] starter replacement


i suspect my starter is failing. Is it difficult to replace starter on a 260
tiger with headers.Should i be expecting to drop the headers to do this.
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From e.coiner at cox.net  Thu Nov 18 21:21:39 2010
From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 20:21:39 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] starter
In-Reply-To: <00af01cb8784$dd6a38b0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4>
Message-ID: <20101118232139.AZ4DB.137632.imail@fed1rmwml37>

The difference is the length of the snout.  The flywheel and the flexplate are different distances away from the starter mounting surface on the motor plate.

I have also encountered differences in the diameter of the opening for the starter.  This was on my 2 owner 66 mustang.

Erich
---- Clyde McLaughlin <clydemclaughlin at verizon.net> wrote: 
> I think the main difference in starters for the smf is relating to the number
> of teeth on the flywheel,  I believe auto and std trans are different numbers
> of teeth,  I think one is 164 teeth,  don't remember the other,  Clyde

From Rollright at aol.com  Fri Nov 19 09:01:14 2010
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 11:01:14 EST
Subject: [Tigers] interesting stuff
Message-ID: <1235ba.5a67e9cb.3a17f94a@aol.com>

Hello,
 
Jim Armstrong here. As well as havening my Tiger, I have been slowly  
restoring an Aston Martin DB 2 and belong to a kind of list serve for these  
cars. I ran into this product below, and I cut and pasted a guy's submission on  
a spray insulation product that sounds pretty trick.
 

-- As an alternate to traditional insulation products, I went a  different 
way when restoring my Aston Martin 
DB 2-4. Let me first explain my reasoning. My firm is in the business of  
Energy Consulting. We are a participating contractor with FP&L (Florida  
Power and Light Co)  In auditing buildings, insulation, roof, walls  etc.,the R 
Values are important to the building envelope. There is a product  that was 
invented for NASA that incapacitates and protects, that is sprayed to  any 
clean surface.
 After having my car soda blasted we applied 40 mills of this emulsion  to 
the underside of bonnet, complete interior and all areas needing traditional 
 insulation. The product is Ceramic Cover CC 100, Distributed by Enviortrol 
Inc.  but only applied by approved contractors, approx $8.00 per square 
foot  installed. The R Value is far superior to traditional methods and 
insulates  against heat, sound and water intrusion. NASCAR has experimented with it 
on fire  walls, headers, and cockpit flooring. It has successfully been 
used on the space  shuttle heat shields. The product is sprayed, similar to 
paint, and dries to a  hard coat white ceramic that is sandable, and can be 
painted. In  demonstrations, a sample, half treated with CC 100, half 
untreated, heated to  red hot, can be picked up without fear. In the construction 
industry, it is  sprayed to roof decks, walls etc. It also has industrial 
applications for water  tank towers and industrial piping. Ford Motor Co, R&D 
Dept's are conduction  experiments for sound deadening and heat applications.
See _www.enviorotrol-inc.com_ (http://www.enviorotrol-inc.com/)  for a 
local  distributor.

From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Fri Nov 19 13:07:36 2010
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 14:07:36 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] starter
In-Reply-To: <4CE5D678.7060202@comcast.net>
References: <00af01cb8784$dd6a38b0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4>
	<4CE5D678.7060202@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <0C4AAE0E36D04393B46BDCA0F25C6FAD@jerry>

Also, the starter gear has a different set back on the two types (auto and
manual) the standard sits back about .400 further into the starter than the
auto (the only way I can tell the difference between the two). The numbers
of teeth on flywheels are 157 and 164, I've seen both on autos and std
tranys.

I've been threatening myself on doing a video on how to take apart and clean
the newer type starters and how to do the three or four different ways of
wiring them up. I just haven't been able to find the time yet.  When you're
retired there just isn't enough time to do it all. ;-)

Jerry Christopherson
9473187

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Tom Hall
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 7:44 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] starter

On 11/18/2010 4:58 PM, Clyde McLaughlin wrote:
> I think the main difference in starters for the smf is relating to the
number
> of teeth on the flywheel,  I believe auto and std trans are different
numbers
> of teeth,  I think one is 164 teeth,  don't remember the other,  Clyde
> _______________________________________________
The SBF starter for manual transmission application has a machined step 
where it fits into the block plate.  This step is 4.085" in diameter.  
The starter for automatic application has a different depth of 
engagement for a flex plate and has a larger diameter step to prevent 
it's installation in a manual application.

-- 
Tom Hall
ModTiger Engineering LLC
www.tigerengineering.net
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Nov 21 10:23:54 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 12:23:54 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] NOS rubber hose
Message-ID: <75914903ECB84E23932A2E997C3B51D2@ronpc1>

Does anyone have NOS rubber hoses or have seen them?
 
I was looking at my original oil breather to air cleaner hose and I just
barely noticed that there were some numbers printed on it.
 
1224805 printed in what looks like yellow, yellow is my best guess because
it is very faded.
 
1224805 is the Rootes part number for this hose.
 
So my question is; do any of the other Rootes hoses have the part number
printed on them?
 
Ron Fraser

From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Sun Nov 21 11:27:12 2010
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 12:27:12 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] FW: Article on Pre-ignition and Detonation
Message-ID: <52C4AA56822C4D87BA0C8D7C7E2E510B@jerry>

The new Hot Rod mag. has a very good article on hoses starting on pg. 86.
Good info.

 

On another note a friend of mine races his Buick Grand National up in OK,
and he sent me this article on detonation and pre-ignition, very good info
be sure to print it out. (Ten pages)

 

When you get to the site (Buick) click on Dino1 "engine basics" that will
take you to the article.  Great read!! (For engine guys that is)

 

Jerry Christopherson

9473187  

 

  _____  

 

This is a link to a thread about pre-ignition and knock which contains an
article about these two areas.   Good information about a critical area for
our cars.  

 

http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/general-turbo-buick-tech/334323-very-good-r
ead-detonation.html

From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 22 12:45:35 2010
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:45:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Driver's Side Fender
Message-ID: <963135.95409.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Is there suppose to be about a 6" hole on the driver's inside side of the
fender 
going into the fender well close to the firewall?  This just does not
look right 
and cannot determine what it might be for.

Thanks
Joel Martin

From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 22 12:53:27 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:53:27 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Driver's Side Fender
In-Reply-To: <963135.95409.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <963135.95409.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikULizTPEgA4Sy9LJjH1SQECFohUz3kmO1sZLkv@mail.gmail.com>

Can't say I'm positive about what you describe, but, yeah, there's a cavity
there normally covered by a plate held in by a couple sheet metal screws  /
bolts. If you look on the other side there's one there too.

Tom

' 67 Mark 2


On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Is there suppose to be about a 6" hole on the driver's inside side of the
> fender
> going into the fender well close to the firewall?  This just does not
> look right
> and cannot determine what it might be for.
>
> Thanks
> Joel Martin
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Nov 22 13:08:36 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:08:36 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Driver's Side Fender
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikULizTPEgA4Sy9LJjH1SQECFohUz3kmO1sZLkv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <963135.95409.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTikULizTPEgA4Sy9LJjH1SQECFohUz3kmO1sZLkv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E1C14B20@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

It's where the MSD-6 goes.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom Parker
> Sent: November 22, 2010 12:53 PM
> To: Joel Martin
> Cc: Tiger List Serve
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Driver's Side Fender
>
> Can't say I'm positive about what you describe, but, yeah, there's a
> cavity
> there normally covered by a plate held in by a couple sheet metal
> screws  /
> bolts. If you look on the other side there's one there too.
>
> Tom
>
> ' 67 Mark 2
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Is there suppose to be about a 6" hole on the driver's inside side of
> the
> > fender
> > going into the fender well close to the firewall?  This just does not
> > look right
> > and cannot determine what it might be for.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Joel Martin
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Mon Nov 22 14:42:45 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:42:45 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Driver's Side Fender
References: <963135.95409.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B3ABCE5DAB894A90BAE25A67BDC23E0D@student2>

Joel,
  Go to this link and scroll down to the image of the Tiger engine bay.  The 
hole (cavity, MSD mount) that is being referred to is the old regulator 
mount (mounting plate shows in this image).  As best I can tell you are 
referrring to an actual 6" hole (round???) in that area with the plate 
removed.

 I assume if I am correct that someone put the hole there as a vent (for 
heat) or had an unusual exhaust configuration - though I would go with my 
first guess.

So, some cars may still have the regulator, some only the plate (or an MSD-6 
and the like mounted) and if the regulator and plate are both removed it can 
look like a cavity, but, no, there is not suppose to be a 6" hole.

Tom 

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Mon Nov 22 14:45:33 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:45:33 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Driver's Side Fender (opps forgot link)
Message-ID: <C8A007BCC9614AA2984EA7A0069C3225@student2>

Link

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~garycr/2001/jefferson_500_2006/index.htm

From bobdixon at frii.com  Mon Nov 22 15:20:59 2010
From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:20:59 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Driver's Side Fender
In-Reply-To: <B3ABCE5DAB894A90BAE25A67BDC23E0D@student2>
References: <963135.95409.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<B3ABCE5DAB894A90BAE25A67BDC23E0D@student2>
Message-ID: <bc1157c8585c2e1fb89c310d4e4020f9@localhost>

I believe he is talking about the space where the tire is.  My Mk1a has
this 'hole' also.  It is way up there and is covered by a plate with
some screws.  My guess is that it was used as access to something during
manufacturing and then closed.  I didn't even know it was there until I
was removing the undercoating.

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Nov 22 15:28:21 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 16:28:21 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Driver's Side Fender
In-Reply-To: <B3ABCE5DAB894A90BAE25A67BDC23E0D@student2>
References: <963135.95409.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<B3ABCE5DAB894A90BAE25A67BDC23E0D@student2>
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The feature I was referring to is the 4 x 6" (approximately) rectangular hole
on the inside of the footwell (about 4" aft of where the high/low beam switch
is). It's just large enough that you can put a MSD6-AL there, if you massage
the edges of the hole a bit.

The hole that Bob Dixon mentioned is featured on all Alpine/Tiger shells
too... they had to build the rust in somehow.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt
> Sent: November 22, 2010 2:43 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Driver's Side Fender
>
> Joel,
>   Go to this link and scroll down to the image of the Tiger engine bay.
> The
> hole (cavity, MSD mount) that is being referred to is the old regulator
> mount (mounting plate shows in this image).  As best I can tell you are
> referrring to an actual 6" hole (round???) in that area with the plate
> removed.
>
>  I assume if I am correct that someone put the hole there as a vent
> (for
> heat) or had an unusual exhaust configuration - though I would go with
> my
> first guess.
>
> So, some cars may still have the regulator, some only the plate (or an
> MSD-6
> and the like mounted) and if the regulator and plate are both removed
> it can
> look like a cavity, but, no, there is not suppose to be a 6" hole.
>
> Tom
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From wwwdg at webtv.net  Mon Nov 22 16:40:35 2010
From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 23:40:35 GMT
Subject: [Tigers] NOS rubber hose #'s
Message-ID: <BAY148-DS4C00D2B0072BB9E66714EAD3D0@phx.gbl>

Ron, here is a lower radiator hose, ink stamped 1224841. The (4) fuel
tank balance tube/pipe rubber hoses are also ink stamped (white) with
their part number. These are the only hoses I have info on.

David Franchi

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/12773325/225592305.jpg

From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com  Mon Nov 22 16:55:04 2010
From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:55:04 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Driver's Side Fender
References: <963135.95409.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com><B3ABCE5DAB894A90BAE25A67BDC23E0D@student2>
	<47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E1C14BC0@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <1812AF06194F4E36929D2F5EBBA1CF9D@yourze8cxvr8tt>

the square opening in the a post area is present on later all cars. early 
alpines had a slightly different configuration. the plate at the top of the 
wheel well came about with the series 4 / mk1 bodies. the series 1,2 & 3 
alpine bodies did not have this plate. the inner wheel panel went all the 
way up to the fender and required only seam sealer to fill the small gap 
between the body and the panel.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
To: "Thomas Witt" <atwittsend at verizon.net>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Driver's Side Fender


> The feature I was referring to is the 4 x 6" (approximately) rectangular 
> hole
> on the inside of the footwell (about 4" aft of where the high/low beam 
> switch
> is). It's just large enough that you can put a MSD6-AL there, if you 
> massage
> the edges of the hole a bit.
>
> The hole that Bob Dixon mentioned is featured on all Alpine/Tiger shells
> too... they had to build the rust in somehow.
>
> Theo
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
>> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt
>> Sent: November 22, 2010 2:43 PM
>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Driver's Side Fender
>>
>> Joel,
>>   Go to this link and scroll down to the image of the Tiger engine bay.
>> The
>> hole (cavity, MSD mount) that is being referred to is the old regulator
>> mount (mounting plate shows in this image).  As best I can tell you are
>> referrring to an actual 6" hole (round???) in that area with the plate
>> removed.
>>
>>  I assume if I am correct that someone put the hole there as a vent
>> (for
>> heat) or had an unusual exhaust configuration - though I would go with
>> my
>> first guess.
>>
>> So, some cars may still have the regulator, some only the plate (or an
>> MSD-6
>> and the like mounted) and if the regulator and plate are both removed
>> it can
>> look like a cavity, but, no, there is not suppose to be a 6" hole.
>>
>> Tom
>> _______________________________________________
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Mon Nov 22 17:13:01 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 16:13:01 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Driver's Side Fender
References: <963135.95409.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<B3ABCE5DAB894A90BAE25A67BDC23E0D@student2>
	<47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E1C14BC0@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <E0CF8AB402A545F4828BB2DBCD66A58C@student2>

Sorry for the confusion.  It was me interrupting the word "hole" to mean 
circular and thus likely "man made" (after manufacture). In my mind I was 
seeing openings others had cut on the back side of the inner wheelwell 
(attempting) to vent engine heat. But, it seems others are correct about the 
fender form following plates in the upper area inside the wheelwell.

Joel, my Tiger's plates were pretty far rusted.  I just made a new set out 
of steel sheet.  If you  have one on the other side you can use it as a 
template for both sides. Slightly enlarged holes and large fender washers 
allow "wiggling" for a tight fit (at the form following fender side).

Theo, - got ya on the MSD location. My "never done" Tiger has an exposed 
kick panel and I had a never installed MSD 6A (no limiter) on the shelf.  I 
just grabbed it and sure enough it does fit. Actually seems to fit better 
backwards for mounting (though a kick panel with a Plexiglas window would 
look "cool" showing the red/aluminum heat sinked side).

Tom

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Nov 22 17:28:31 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:28:31 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Driver's Side Fender
In-Reply-To: <E0CF8AB402A545F4828BB2DBCD66A58C@student2>
References: <963135.95409.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<B3ABCE5DAB894A90BAE25A67BDC23E0D@student2>
	<47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E1C14BC0@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
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I dunno... one thing would lead to another and pretty soon you'll have a clear
plexiglas hood.

;)

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt
> Sent: November 22, 2010 5:13 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Driver's Side Fender
>
<snip>
> Theo, - got ya on the MSD location. My "never done" Tiger has an
> exposed
> kick panel and I had a never installed MSD 6A (no limiter) on the
> shelf.  I
> just grabbed it and sure enough it does fit. Actually seems to fit
> better
> backwards for mounting (though a kick panel with a Plexiglas window
> would
> look "cool" showing the red/aluminum heat sinked side).
>
> Tom
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Nov 22 17:57:52 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 19:57:52 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] NOS rubber hose #'s
In-Reply-To: <BAY148-DS4C00D2B0072BB9E66714EAD3D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C31C21CE86294DDFBC267C10F332399E@ronpc1>

David
	Thank you very much for the information and the picture.
I'm guessing all the Rootes hoses were number stamped but I can only guess
at this point.

I looked at the water valve to heater core hose that I took off my Tiger but
I could see no tell tale of any numbers.

Ron Fraser

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Subject: Re: [Tigers] NOS rubber hose #'s


Ron, here is a lower radiator hose, ink stamped 1224841. The (4) fuel tank
balance tube/pipe rubber hoses are also ink stamped (white) with their part
number. These are the only hoses I have info on.

David Franchi

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/12773325/225592305.jpg


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From wrightsinseabrook at speakeasy.net  Tue Nov 23 14:52:18 2010
From: wrightsinseabrook at speakeasy.net (Larry & Susan)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:52:18 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger logo... And wine glasses
Message-ID: <C911A1C2.5086%wrightsinseabrook@speakeasy.net>

Thanks, everyone, for the help on Tiger logos. The etched wine glasses
arrived today and they look great. I have not yet taken any pictures of
them.

Sadly, it will be sometime before I'm far enough along on the kitchen
remodeling to have the rack up to display them.

Larry Wright
Seabrook, MD

From jaars at emailmv.com  Tue Nov 23 16:27:42 2010
From: jaars at emailmv.com (Robert Jaarsma)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:27:42 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Soft top storage Bands?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.17.1290538802.18629.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <92E9F96133B94BD885CCD90BE1B26CED@userqlmt4f4s6s>

An item I do not know its exact placement for or it's usage: (2)
rubberized canvas bands with a Tenax push button on one end, a hook in
the middle and a small piece of metal with two rivets. Does it holds up
the top or the top cover used in the Mk1A and MkII? Not used in MkI? How
is it supposed to work? I vaguely remember it something to do also with
the hardtop?
My band is so bad, if I were to stretch it, it would crumble in pieces.
I could not find it in the parts books I have. Somebody must know!
Robert

From jliny5 at cox.net  Tue Nov 23 16:56:46 2010
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 18:56:46 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Inconsistent idling
Message-ID: <EFC3843996E24C5E90F9737ED2BBAFD5@JPC>

Hi all,

I have recently noticed a distinct distance between the curb idle when I first
start my Mk1 and after driving for a bit. When I start the engine the "fast"
idle (1200 or so) engages and after warming up it correctly kicks down to
"curb" idle (900). After driving however the idle stays up around 12-1400
whenever I stop and put the car into neutral or engage the clutch. My Mk1 has
a pretty much stock 260 with a Holley 4bbl (465 cfm) Model 4160.

I was wondering if anybody else has had similar issues and what was their
diagnosis.

My first inclination is that this is more likely a problem with the accelertor
linkange as opposed to a carb problem. I only say that since the engine idles
correctly at curb (900) and fast (1200) idle levels early on and it is only
after pressing the gas pedal during driving does the higher curb idle level
occur.

Thanks,

Jim Lindner
B9470033

From e.coiner at cox.net  Tue Nov 23 17:21:47 2010
From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:21:47 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Soft top storage Bands?
In-Reply-To: <92E9F96133B94BD885CCD90BE1B26CED@userqlmt4f4s6s>
Message-ID: <20101123192147.OO6LX.179445.imail@fed1rmwml38>

The bands are riveted to the top of the metal that separates the passenger compartment from the soft top stowage well.
You should see the holes.
They are used to hold the soft top boot in place when the soft top is erected. the tenax button attaches to the two little tits that are on the top of the soft top boot.  Bet you always wondered what those were for :)
They are stretched rearward and the hook attaches to a hole drilled in the Al extrusion that secures the soft top.
The end with the tenax button, flips over and forward and attaches to the top of the boot. 

Sunbeam specialities sells a replacement made from rubber.  Functional but not concours correct.

---- Robert Jaarsma <jaars at emailmv.com> wrote: 
> An item I do not know its exact placement for or it's usage: (2)
> rubberized canvas bands with a Tenax push button on one end, a hook in
> the middle and a small piece of metal with two rivets. Does it holds up
> the top or the top cover used in the Mk1A and MkII? Not used in MkI? How
> is it supposed to work? I vaguely remember it something to do also with
> the hardtop?
> My band is so bad, if I were to stretch it, it would crumble in pieces.
> I could not find it in the parts books I have. Somebody must know!
> Robert
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Nov 23 17:51:10 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 19:51:10 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Inconsistent idling
In-Reply-To: <EFC3843996E24C5E90F9737ED2BBAFD5@JPC>
Message-ID: <A6803DFAF43741E1B7C1491EA64BAD91@ronpc1>

Jim
	First step is to check if the accelerator linkage has hung up
somehow when it goes to high idle after warm up.
There are numerous reasons why the linkage may not be returning correctly.
I had the carpet catch the pedal lever once and I had a poor alignment of
the linkage another time.  Just go through the whole system in case there is
a combination of problems if the linkage is the problem.  Also make sure the
carb is off any high idle position.

2nd
	There is a possibility that the distributor is not returning to the
base setting.   The stock distributor on your 260 would be an early style
distributor and there are many wear points in the advance mechanism.  An
early style distributor has an oil port and a round lower body.  Casting #
B9AF-12131-B near the coil wire.
	I worked on one early style distributor that was worn and it
sometimes returned to base timing sometimes not.  It was variable where the
timing would return to and the idle speed was variable also.  You can check
that with a timing light after the engine is warm and you just move the
throttle a few times while watching the base timing position.

3rd
	A vacuum leak could cause this but I would think it would be more
constant.  Always worth looking at vacuum lines for a cracks or splits just
in case.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of James Lindner
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 6:57 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Inconsistent idling


Hi all,

I have recently noticed a distinct distance between the curb idle when I
first start my Mk1 and after driving for a bit. When I start the engine the
"fast" idle (1200 or so) engages and after warming up it correctly kicks
down to "curb" idle (900). After driving however the idle stays up around
12-1400 whenever I stop and put the car into neutral or engage the clutch.
My Mk1 has a pretty much stock 260 with a Holley 4bbl (465 cfm) Model 4160.

I was wondering if anybody else has had similar issues and what was their
diagnosis.

My first inclination is that this is more likely a problem with the
accelertor linkange as opposed to a carb problem. I only say that since the
engine idles correctly at curb (900) and fast (1200) idle levels early on
and it is only after pressing the gas pedal during driving does the higher
curb idle level occur.

Thanks,

Jim Lindner
B9470033
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Nov 23 17:53:10 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 19:53:10 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Soft top storage Bands?
In-Reply-To: <92E9F96133B94BD885CCD90BE1B26CED@userqlmt4f4s6s>
Message-ID: <695A5219E83741758845FA4AB35C8338@ronpc1>

Robert
	I think those might be the straps that hold the convertible soft
cover up to the hardtop.  There are 2 taps on the hardtop that they hook
into.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Robert Jaarsma
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 6:28 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Soft top storage Bands?


An item I do not know its exact placement for or it's usage: (2) rubberized
canvas bands with a Tenax push button on one end, a hook in the middle and a
small piece of metal with two rivets. Does it holds up the top or the top
cover used in the Mk1A and MkII? Not used in MkI? How is it supposed to
work? I vaguely remember it something to do also with the hardtop? My band
is so bad, if I were to stretch it, it would crumble in pieces. I could not
find it in the parts books I have. Somebody must know! Robert
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From cbowland at msn.com  Tue Nov 23 18:45:36 2010
From: cbowland at msn.com (Curt Bowland)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 19:45:36 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Request for artwork
Message-ID: <SNT125-DS127180F2323CD2C34D7B2ADB3F0@phx.gbl>

Hi Listers,

I am looking for a black and white copy of the stylized Tiger head. A pdf file
would be great. Would like to make a graphic for my trailer.

Thanks to those who can provide.


Curt

Chicago

From alpdavegre at msn.com  Wed Nov 24 20:50:58 2010
From: alpdavegre at msn.com (DAVID GREEN)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 20:50:58 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Panasport Tigers head insert project
Message-ID: <BAY151-w4051A0AA98CCE8D02A88AADE200@phx.gbl>

Last call before I do this project. I can do either 2" or 2 1/4" diameter
inserts in the same run. Again the Lat 9 Tigers head is the pattern I am using
and they will be 3/16" thick. Cost should  be $23 each and postage will be
$7.50 for one or more. Contact me if interested.  Any more people who want LAT
9 caps please contact me. I also am considering a Superlite insert project if
enough interest.
Dave Green
alpdavegre at msn.com

From barncobob at aol.com  Fri Nov 26 13:54:03 2010
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 15:54:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] need wiring diagram of ignition switch
Message-ID: <8CD5BC33140F4D8-1858-22750@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com>

does anyone have diagram showing where wires go on ignition switch or direct
me to where i can find it, thanx, barncobob

From barncobob at aol.com  Fri Nov 26 14:31:23 2010
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 16:31:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] ignition wiring
Message-ID: <8CD5BC868BFCB09-1270-234F8@webmail-m060.sysops.aol.com>

heres my problem, i was having starting problems, replaced the solenoid and it
still started but not every time. i got a new switch, i carefully unscrewed
the locking ring and GENTLY lowered the ignition switch.
there is 1 white wire still attached and 1 purple wire. there is a plethora of
wires that came undone from switch, connectors are still on but i dont know
where they go.
there is 1 red/yellow wire that came detached from connector and i remember
that wire going to one of the small connectors on solenoid.
i can wrench but electrics leave me in the dark. i really need like a hand
drawn image of ignition switch showing where wires go and the i can plug and
play.

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Nov 26 14:58:18 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 16:58:18 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] need wiring diagram of ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <8CD5BC33140F4D8-1858-22750@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <D603C37E4875425F94E03EE7EE5FB3CD@ronpc1>

Barncobob

There is a wire diagram on Tigers United

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmN35.asp

Lug #1 brown wire - battery feed
Lug #2 white wires - ignition warning light, ignition and tach
Lug #3 white/red wire - starter solenoid
Lug #4 	radio and blower motor

Ron Fraser

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Subject: [Tigers] need wiring diagram of ignition switch


does anyone have diagram showing where wires go on ignition switch or direct
me to where i can find it, thanx, barncobob
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From twotigers at verizon.net  Fri Nov 26 15:12:19 2010
From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 14:12:19 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] ignition wiring
In-Reply-To: <8CD5BC868BFCB09-1270-234F8@webmail-m060.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD5BC868BFCB09-1270-234F8@webmail-m060.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001cb8db6$feb266e0$fc1734a0$@net>

CAT has a nice under-dash wiring picture diagram that physically shows where
the wires go and the color codes.  It's better than a wiring diagram for
those of us that are electrically challenged!  My 'picture' shows a brown
wire from the #1 lug (that's the 9 o'clock position as you are looking at
the ignition switch from the front side) going to the voltage regulator.
The #3 lug (the 3 o'clock position) has white/red wire going to the starter
solenoid.  The #2 lug (6 o'clock) has 3 white wires going to (one each)- the
ignition warning light, the fuse block, and through the tach.  Lug #4 (12
o'clock) is unused (from the factory).

The picture diagram is too big to scan.  Hope this helps.

Kirk  


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of barncobob at aol.com
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 1:31 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] ignition wiring

heres my problem, i was having starting problems, replaced the solenoid and
it
still started but not every time. i got a new switch, i carefully unscrewed
the locking ring and GENTLY lowered the ignition switch.
there is 1 white wire still attached and 1 purple wire. there is a plethora
of
wires that came undone from switch, connectors are still on but i dont know
where they go.
there is 1 red/yellow wire that came detached from connector and i remember
that wire going to one of the small connectors on solenoid.
i can wrench but electrics leave me in the dark. i really need like a hand
drawn image of ignition switch showing where wires go and the i can plug and
play.
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From twotigers at verizon.net  Fri Nov 26 15:22:53 2010
From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 14:22:53 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] ignition wiring
References: <8CD5BC868BFCB09-1270-234F8@webmail-m060.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000101cb8db8$785e0e80$691a2b80$@net>

Oops- lug #4 has a green wire for the blower switch (which for some reason
is not shown on the ignition switch in the CAT picture/diagram).  The #4 lug
is used for the radio, also.   

-----Original Message-----
From: Kirk Smith [mailto:twotigers at verizon.net] 
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 2:12 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net (tigers at autox.team.net)
Subject: RE: [Tigers] ignition wiring

CAT has a nice under-dash wiring picture diagram that physically shows where
the wires go and the color codes.  It's better than a wiring diagram for
those of us that are electrically challenged!  My 'picture' shows a brown
wire from the #1 lug (that's the 9 o'clock position as you are looking at
the ignition switch from the front side) going to the voltage regulator.
The #3 lug (the 3 o'clock position) has white/red wire going to the starter
solenoid.  The #2 lug (6 o'clock) has 3 white wires going to (one each)- the
ignition warning light, the fuse block, and through the tach.  Lug #4 (12
o'clock) is unused (from the factory).

The picture diagram is too big to scan.  Hope this helps.

Kirk  


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On Behalf Of barncobob at aol.com
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 1:31 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] ignition wiring

heres my problem, i was having starting problems, replaced the solenoid and
it
still started but not every time. i got a new switch, i carefully unscrewed
the locking ring and GENTLY lowered the ignition switch.
there is 1 white wire still attached and 1 purple wire. there is a plethora
of
wires that came undone from switch, connectors are still on but i dont know
where they go.
there is 1 red/yellow wire that came detached from connector and i remember
that wire going to one of the small connectors on solenoid.
i can wrench but electrics leave me in the dark. i really need like a hand
drawn image of ignition switch showing where wires go and the i can plug and
play.
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Fri Nov 26 18:57:23 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 17:57:23 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] ignition wiring
References: <8CD5BC868BFCB09-1270-234F8@webmail-m060.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <B3E7EDDDB89A405FAD6121F628D1DE91@student2>

>>>there is a plethora of wires that came undone from switch, <<<

The bright side of that is you probably found your starting problem!  Hope 
it gets sorted out.

Tom 

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sat Nov 27 21:19:10 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 20:19:10 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Spark Plug Cross Reference Chart
Message-ID: <599F52BE94F84A618195C920A4B83DCA@student2>

I'm wondering if anyone can help me.  I'm looking for an extensive spark 
plug cross reference chart.  I have found a few charts that show cross 
compatible plugs, but I'm looking for something more in-depth.
I'd like to see the following:

1. Within a manufacture a chart showing hotter and colder plugs based on the 
"stock" plug.

2. I'd like to see a multi brand comparison - if possible.  Some charts I've 
found show a heat range change in one brand, but it cross references over to 
the same plug number for both heat ranges in another brand.

3. Lastly it would be great if the chart was a color coded, bar graph (maybe 
I dream big).  That way I could see how the various manufactures overlap in 
heat ranges.

The problem I'm having is most sites ask for year/make/model/engine and then 
tell you the stock plug. There is no "hot-cold" comparison. And,  with a 
higher number some plug brands go hotter, while other brands go lower!  35 
years ago I worked in an auto parts store and we had books that showed the 
heat ranges.  I'm struggling to find that now in the vastly larger cyber 
world.  I've searched for about 45 minutes and only found what I've listed 
above. BTW this is more universal and not totally Tiger specific plug 
information I'm looking for.

Thanks, Tom 

From icanhandyman at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 28 02:10:25 2010
From: icanhandyman at yahoo.com (J Clark)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 01:10:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] ignition wiring
Message-ID: <270384.15129.qm@web114708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Before you reconnect your wires to the switch  just give their respective
connectors a light squeeze with a pair of pliers... obvious as it may seem
:-).

Jon Clark
B9472148

From dave at munroe.ca  Sun Nov 28 08:20:38 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 11:20:38 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Fw:  Spark Plug Cross Reference Chart
Message-ID: <6A1091F331F341ABAC289312D47A5444@DavePC>

 Tom:

 Did you find this one???

 http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/skidoolympique/SPARK_PLUG_CROSS_REFERENCE.htm With the above extensive cross-references, you can easily find the hot/cold direction of the heat range numbers for each brand here: http://www.championsparkplugs.com/glossaryImage.asp?imgID=722 Dave From: "Thomas Witt" <atwittsend at verizon.net> To: <tigers at autox.team.net> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 12:19 AM Subject: [Tigers] Spark Plug Cross Reference Chart I'm wondering if anyone can help me.  I'm looking for an extensive spark plug cross reference chart.  I have found a few charts that show cross compatible plugs, but I'm looking for something more in-depth. I'd like to see the following: 1. Within a manufacture a chart showing hotter and colder plugs based on the "stock" plug.

From rande at thecia.net  Sun Nov 28 09:24:52 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 11:24:52 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] off topic and shameless ad
Message-ID: <4cf28254.bba.0@thecia.net>

OK, shameless ad first. I just started working again, this time at a Lincoln-Mercury-Mazda
store, and we have a dusty new pair of chrome Edelbrock valve covers that fit
sbf motors (Edelbrock #4460)to blow out of inventory. The stated application
is 260-289-302(not Boss), won't clear 5.0 EFI except using Victor 2945 and 3887
unless spacers are used. $35 including surface postage in continental US. Contact
me offline, and check edelbrock.com website for good photos.

Secondly, for those folks who are lamenting the end of Mercury production, the
NY Times Sunday Automotive section has a two article feature with black&white
photos about that. It's in the back of the sports section. Better yet, check
it out online at
www.nytimes.com/autos and get a nine color photo slide show, as well. For Tom
Calvert and me, they were nice enough to include a small bit on old Cougars(all
right, some of you need to grow up, the CAR, not Courtney Cox).

rb

From barncobob at aol.com  Sun Nov 28 10:51:58 2010
From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 12:51:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] starting problem sorted out
Message-ID: <8CD5D3C168DB4DA-888-33A7D@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com>

thanx to all that offered info on wiring for ignition switch.
The problem was the white/red wire that goes from solenoid to switch had
pulled partly away from the connector and there were only a few strands
connected. Sripped wire and installed new connnector and it starts every time.
I was not looking forward to pulling the starter out with the headers there.

From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Sun Nov 28 11:03:04 2010
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 12:03:04 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] New hyd. clutch from McLeod
Message-ID: <F9F6B243E1CD4A1193CDCE15A09D78F5@jerry>

Saw this at SEMA, if one could get over the hefty price, might be a workable
addition to our cars.  Would only need the throughout bearing part, but
still might be cost prohibited.  Notice it won first place in its category.

 

Jerry Christopherson

9473187

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From CoolVT at aol.com  Sun Nov 28 11:05:36 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 13:05:36 EST
Subject: [Tigers] starting problem sorted out
Message-ID: <2dcea.2ac9dbce.3a23f3f0@aol.com>

Sometimes it's the simplest things!  Glad to see you back on the  
road...dependably.
 
 
In a message dated 11/28/2010 12:52:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
barncobob at aol.com writes:

thanx to  all that offered info on wiring for ignition switch.
The problem was the  white/red wire that goes from solenoid to switch had
pulled partly away  from the connector and there were only a few strands
connected. Sripped  wire and installed new connnector and it starts every 
time.
I was not  looking forward to pulling the starter out with the headers  
there.
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From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Sun Nov 28 11:08:23 2010
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 12:08:23 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] FW:  New hyd. clutch from McLeod
Message-ID: <45761AD523B14CC3800770484121696D@jerry>

OOPS, I forgot "no picts". If any one is interested I'll send a pict.

Jerry Christopherson

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Jerry & Maureen (Mo)
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 12:03 PM
To: TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET
Subject: [Tigers] New hyd. clutch from McLeod

Saw this at SEMA, if one could get over the hefty price, might be a workable
addition to our cars.  Would only need the throughout bearing part, but
still might be cost prohibited.  Notice it won first place in its category.

 

Jerry Christopherson

9473187

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image001.jpg]
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From Rollright at aol.com  Sun Nov 28 14:58:55 2010
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 16:58:55 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Fairmont fan and Safety triangles
Message-ID: <7e3a9.7a0ce3fc.3a242a9f@aol.com>

Hello,
 
Had an oil-line to gauge melt-down this summer. Friend Gary Fish lent me a  
red plastic reflective safety triangle until the issue was dealt with. I  
remember seeing one in my wife's Audi, so I went on a hunt for one in  local 
junk-yards. Hard to find. Too few Audis and the trunks all seem to be  
locked ! Anyway, ended up with one from a Volvo in a nice blue plastic case. If  
you don't have one onboard your Sunbeam, I suggest you think about obtaining 
 one.
 
Now, to the Fairmont I saw in the junkyard. I remember that Maverick  fans 
are much sought after for better cooling in a Tiger. I spotted a  Fairmont 
with a straight six (dark Ford blue valve cover) with a fan that looked  the 
part. Any joy in this, or is the Fairmont too new and non-compatable?
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sun Nov 28 19:29:59 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 18:29:59 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Fairmont fan and Safety triangles
References: <7e3a9.7a0ce3fc.3a242a9f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <63CB6B390967475D9DF1FA448ED5FC28@student2>

Jim,
  There is likely a whole host of fans that might be applicable to the 
Tiger.  I think two issues come up and thus the inclination to the Maverick 
or Volvo fans. To my knowledge they are:

1. The Volvo fan has an oversize hole to fit (loosely) over the Tigers 
reverse hub water pump. Some have created an insert (like used on a circular 
saw blade) to take up the loose fit.  In my case I just twisted the pulley 
and the fan in opposite directions while someone tightened the bolts.  This 
causes the fan to "center" on the bolt holes rather than the hub. This fan 
also is very close in diameter * to fitting the Tiger rack clearance needs.

2. The Maverick fan needs to have the center hole enlarged to fit a stock 
type Tiger fan hub. Some use a different water pump and I assume the fan 
fits without issue. Like the Volvo fan it is also very close in diameter * 
to the Tiger rack clearance needs.

3. There is an aftermarket Derale (spelling?) that many have given a good 
report.

I used the asterisk on fan diameters because some have used these fans and 
not had rack clearance issues. Others have used these fans and had to 
replace their motor mount to correct the sagging of the engine.  Still 
others have remedied the situation with washers under the motor mount. I 
have heard accounts of some trimming the blades.  Each situation seems to be 
different. But, both these fans get you in the "ballpark" regarding 
diameter.

An important FYI.  In 10 years of frequent "Pick A Parting" the Volvo fan, I 
have found maybe twelve on 122's, 142/144's and even a 164.  But, it is not 
just any Volvo fan. More often than not the Volvo had a clutch hub (not 
usable on the Tiger) which is an entirely different fan.

The Maverick fan is also quite rare.  It was used on early Mavericks with 
A/C.  In 10 years of frequent "Pick A Parting" I have found one! At one time 
it was available from the dealer, but I'm not sure it still is.

As I stated earlier, there are likely many fans that are applicable. The 
problem is it takes experimenting and modification.  It is often easier to 
go with what others have found works. The Fairmont fan would be considered 
R&D.

Tom Witt

From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 28 23:27:43 2010
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 22:27:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] When too much is not enough!
Message-ID: <909254.7123.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/110999/the-new-bugatti-waiting-for-superman-no-more?mod=family-autos

From deiland1 at elp.rr.com  Mon Nov 29 15:30:58 2010
From: deiland1 at elp.rr.com (deiland1 at elp.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 22:30:58 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Wiper Delay ? Not Tiger Related but Jensen Related
Message-ID: <20101129223058.RQL0J.70998.root@hrndva-web01-z01>

I converted my Jensen Healey steering column to a Pontiac Fiero tilt steering column and would like to take advantage of the new turn signal lever with wiper delay and washer switch. I suspect I can find a wiper delay circuit module that should plug directly into the existing wiring harness on the new tilt column. The question I have is whether it will work correctly if I wire the module into my original two speed JH wiper motor. Of course the delay should only work on the low speed side of the original wiper motor while the high speed side should be unchanged. Anyone out there have an idea if this will work on an old LBC wiper motor?

TIA,
Dan Eiland
1974 JH Project Car
Ex Tiger Owner

From deiland1 at elp.rr.com  Mon Nov 29 15:59:26 2010
From: deiland1 at elp.rr.com (deiland1 at elp.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 22:59:26 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Wiper Delay ? Not Tiger Related but Jensen Related
In-Reply-To: <20101129223058.RQL0J.70998.root@hrndva-web01-z01>
Message-ID: <20101129225926.0R31P.71148.root@hrndva-web01-z01>

As soon as I posted this email, a local mechanic that has worked on my regular cars for years called me and I discussed the subject with him. He seems to think it might be possible to do what I'm thinking and have it work correctly. Although he feels more confident that I could definitely operate the high and low speeds from the column switch and the washer from the column switch, he didn't discount that I could possibly get the delay function to work as well. His thoughts were that I may have to find an older circuit board that operated an older two speed wiper motor and controlled the delay operation also. If I understood him correctly, he was saying that in some newer cars the circuit boards operate a wiper motor that has the delay function built into the newer motors. Of course I may not be understanding what he was talking about. Still like to hear what others on the lists have to say.

Dan Eiland



---- deiland1 at elp.rr.com wrote: 
> I converted my Jensen Healey steering column to a Pontiac Fiero tilt steering column and would like to take advantage of the new turn signal lever with wiper delay and washer switch. I suspect I can find a wiper delay circuit module that should plug directly into the existing wiring harness on the new tilt column. The question I have is whether it will work correctly if I wire the module into my original two speed JH wiper motor. Of course the delay should only work on the low speed side of the original wiper motor while the high speed side should be unchanged. Anyone out there have an idea if this will work on an old LBC wiper motor?
> 
> TIA,
> Dan Eiland
> 1974 JH Project Car
> Ex Tiger Owner
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From srwick at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 30 10:59:49 2010
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 09:59:49 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Wiper Delay ? Not Tiger Related but Jensen Related
In-Reply-To: <20101129225926.0R31P.71148.root@hrndva-web01-z01>
References: <20101129223058.RQL0J.70998.root@hrndva-web01-z01>,
	<20101129225926.0R31P.71148.root@hrndva-web01-z01>
Message-ID: <COL122-W27861895ECA99E7473E611D8250@phx.gbl>

1969/70 Mercury Cougars used a circuit board that plugged into the harness at
the plug to the wiper motor, used the standard wiper motor and had a switch
that replaced the standard one at the dash. That's probably what he's talking
about.

Steve

> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 22:59:26 +0000
> From: deiland1 at elp.rr.com
> To: JENSEN-cars at british-steel.org; deiland1 at elp.rr.com
> CC: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wiper Delay ? Not Tiger Related but Jensen Related
>
> As soon as I posted this email, a local mechanic that has worked on my
regular cars for years called me and I discussed the subject with him. He
seems to think it might be possible to do what I'm thinking and have it work
correctly. Although he feels more confident that I could definitely operate
the high and low speeds from the column switch and the washer from the column
switch, he didn't discount that I could possibly get the delay function to
work as well. His thoughts were that I may have to find an older circuit board
that operated an older two speed wiper motor and controlled the delay
operation also. If I understood him correctly, he was saying that in some
newer cars the circuit boards operate a wiper motor that has the delay
function built into the newer motors. Of course I may not be understanding
what he was talking about. Still like to hear what others on the lists have to
say.
>
> Dan Eiland
>
>
>
> ---- deiland1 at elp.rr.com wrote:
> > I converted my Jensen Healey steering column to a Pontiac Fiero tilt
steering column and would like to take advantage of the new turn signal lever
with wiper delay and washer switch. I suspect I can find a wiper delay circuit
module that should plug directly into the existing wiring harness on the new
tilt column. The question I have is whether it will work correctly if I wire
the module into my original two speed JH wiper motor. Of course the delay
should only work on the low speed side of the original wiper motor while the
high speed side should be unchanged. Anyone out there have an idea if this
will work on an old LBC wiper motor?
> >
> > TIA,
> > Dan Eiland
> > 1974 JH Project Car
> > Ex Tiger Owner
> > _______________________________________________
> > Tigers at autox.team.net
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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 30 12:19:02 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:19:02 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Wiper Delay ? Not Tiger Related but Jensen Related
In-Reply-To: <COL122-W27861895ECA99E7473E611D8250@phx.gbl>
References: <20101129223058.RQL0J.70998.root@hrndva-web01-z01>
	<20101129225926.0R31P.71148.root@hrndva-web01-z01>
	<COL122-W27861895ECA99E7473E611D8250@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimMj3yriD-BUkyoZryaKyO+_yUXRpdh1PoaX5pt@mail.gmail.com>

Dan,

You might consider spending a bit of time with the Fiero wiring diagram; the
answers to your questions might be in there. I'm assuming, of course, that
the Fiero had the functions you're looking for built into the car that
donated the steering column.

Tom

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 12:59 PM, steve wick <srwick at hotmail.com> wrote:

> 1969/70 Mercury Cougars used a circuit board that plugged into the harness
> at
> the plug to the wiper motor, used the standard wiper motor and had a switch
> that replaced the standard one at the dash. That's probably what he's
> talking
> about.
>
> Steve
>
> > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 22:59:26 +0000
> > From: deiland1 at elp.rr.com
> > To: JENSEN-cars at british-steel.org; deiland1 at elp.rr.com
> > CC: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wiper Delay ? Not Tiger Related but Jensen Related
> >
> > As soon as I posted this email, a local mechanic that has worked on my
> regular cars for years called me and I discussed the subject with him. He
> seems to think it might be possible to do what I'm thinking and have it
> work
> correctly. Although he feels more confident that I could definitely operate
> the high and low speeds from the column switch and the washer from the
> column
> switch, he didn't discount that I could possibly get the delay function to
> work as well. His thoughts were that I may have to find an older circuit
> board
> that operated an older two speed wiper motor and controlled the delay
> operation also. If I understood him correctly, he was saying that in some
> newer cars the circuit boards operate a wiper motor that has the delay
> function built into the newer motors. Of course I may not be understanding
> what he was talking about. Still like to hear what others on the lists have
> to
> say.
> >
> > Dan Eiland
> >
> >
> >
> > ---- deiland1 at elp.rr.com wrote:
> > > I converted my Jensen Healey steering column to a Pontiac Fiero tilt
> steering column and would like to take advantage of the new turn signal
> lever
> with wiper delay and washer switch. I suspect I can find a wiper delay
> circuit
> module that should plug directly into the existing wiring harness on the
> new
> tilt column. The question I have is whether it will work correctly if I
> wire
> the module into my original two speed JH wiper motor. Of course the delay
> should only work on the low speed side of the original wiper motor while
> the
> high speed side should be unchanged. Anyone out there have an idea if this
> will work on an old LBC wiper motor?
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > > Dan Eiland
> > > 1974 JH Project Car
> > > Ex Tiger Owner
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Tigers at autox.team.net
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From wrightsinseabrook at speakeasy.net  Tue Nov 30 14:51:05 2010
From: wrightsinseabrook at speakeasy.net (Larry & Susan)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:51:05 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger logos repository?
Message-ID: <C91ADBF9.50F6%wrightsinseabrook@speakeasy.net>

As fallout of the wineglass project, I asked for from the group and received
several of the rectangular Sunbeam Tiger Powered By Ford logos in jpeg
format, plus I paid to have one made a monochromatic Vector file (.ai
extension), which I'd donate to any individual or entity that might put it
in a place of benefit to other Tiger owners in the future. I'd presume
others would not mind if I sent along their jpegs too.

Larry Wright

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Tue Nov 30 15:00:32 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:00:32 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger logos repository?
In-Reply-To: <C91ADBF9.50F6%wrightsinseabrook@speakeasy.net>
References: <C91ADBF9.50F6%wrightsinseabrook@speakeasy.net>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E1CA7D59@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

I can add them to the Tigers United website, but they would effectively be
'free' images, with no copyright restrictions that we can enforce, and it
would be advertised as such. This is because (1) we don't own the copyright of
the original artwork (does anyone, or is it effectively public domain at this
point?) and (2) we're not in a position to chase after the bozos that scrape
content off of TU.com, put it on CD and then sell them on eBay.

In this context, "we" is all of us, and possibly more specifically Steve
Laifman and John Orzechowski.
Let me know...
Thanks,
Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry & Susan
> Sent: November 30, 2010 2:51 PM
> To: Tiger List
> Subject: [Tigers] Tiger logos repository?
>
> As fallout of the wineglass project, I asked for from the group and
> received
> several of the rectangular Sunbeam Tiger Powered By Ford logos in jpeg
> format, plus I paid to have one made a monochromatic Vector file (.ai
> extension), which I'd donate to any individual or entity that might put
> it
> in a place of benefit to other Tiger owners in the future. I'd presume
> others would not mind if I sent along their jpegs too.
>
> Larry Wright
> _______________________________________________
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From csx2282 at sonic.net  Tue Nov 30 15:45:37 2010
From: csx2282 at sonic.net (csx2282)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:45:37 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Crossmember Question
Message-ID: <BE8DA636DAE14211BBC88D4B89E271EB@Cobra>

A Tiger owner I know who isn't on the list asked me to forward this part 
query question for him.  You can contact him directly or I have me forward 
any responses.

Thanks,

Roland

>> What I really want to find is a tubular bolt in front end (race car
>> style) to replace the enormously heavy TIGER front crossmember.
>>
>> Any leads?
>>
>>      THANKS,
>>
>>              EARA
>>     Eara.A.Merritt at usace.army.mil 

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Tue Nov 30 17:10:09 2010
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:10:09 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Holbay engine help
In-Reply-To: <700672.10412.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <700672.10412.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4CF59261.8040209@socal.rr.com>

Tony,

I happen to be familiar with this issue.  My son, Jay (eMail above) was 
given my Sunbeam Alpine IV and has made a number of modifications.  
Among these are a Holbay head, hot cam, Weber carb manifold and 2 
dual-throat Weber.

Send him an inquiry on what you are interested in.


Pic will NOT come through the "List" filter


/Steve Laifman/

/Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* <http://www.tigersunited.com>



On 2/3/10 10:12 AM, Tony Somebody wrote:
> As some members know I have both Tigers and Alpines I have been attempting to
> build a better than stock 1725 for my S5 w/ OD My first setback was the
> machine shop some how lost a beautiful head I had spent lots of time porting
> then paid a pro to finish up- soon I decided I would like to have a Holbay
> engine and had made friends with a chap in the UK who had bought a Holbay
> head, intake and headers several years back and was willing to sell them to me
> for what he paid- what a great person this gentleman is but upon searching his
> workshop the parts where missing It seems his neighborhood has changed over
> the years and what used to be left unlocked is now in need of alarms as crime
> is up in the UK too- long story short he had been burglarized but wasnt aware
> his Beam parts had also been removed. He is an older gent and says he has so
> many bits he may never know what all was taken. Next I met a guy selling
> Holbay items on epay and although I wasnt able to
>   get the head, he has another Holbay engine. I have help in getting the
> smaller parts to the USA but I dont think the block is one that can be
> brought. I need to know if the Holbay uses the same 1725 as the stock block. I
> know it uses a different head and of course the cam isnt the same or even the
> intake and it uses flat head pistons to raise compression. There is prolly an
> American flat head piston that would work BUT thats a guess and wishful
> thinking ANY information on the similarities or the differences between the
> Holbay and the stock 1725 know to our members would be appreciated.Feel free
> to contact me off list
> Thanks in advance
> TtT
> PS- I sent this to the Tiger list as well because I know we have members that
> have a broad knowledge of Sunbeams other than the Tiger.
> _______________________________________________

From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Nov 30 19:48:24 2010
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 02:48:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Crossmember Question
In-Reply-To: <BE8DA636DAE14211BBC88D4B89E271EB@Cobra>
Message-ID: <1841309909.1984479.1291171704162.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Tell him to call Dale:

http://www.dalesresto.com/newsusp.html


Gary



----- Original Message -----
From: csx2282 <csx2282 at sonic.net>
To: tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 22:45:37 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Crossmember Question

A Tiger owner I know who isn't on the list asked me to forward this part 
query question for him.  You can contact him directly or I have me forward 
any responses.

Thanks,

Roland

>> What I really want to find is a tubular bolt in front end (race car
>> style) to replace the enormously heavy TIGER front crossmember.
>>
>> Any leads?
>>
>>      THANKS,
>>
>>              EARA
>>     Eara.A.Merritt at usace.army.mil 

From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 30 20:11:24 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:11:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger logos repository?
In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E1CA7D59@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
References: <C91ADBF9.50F6%wrightsinseabrook@speakeasy.net>
	<47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E1CA7D59@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
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Theo

I am in possession of the orginal artwork.  I got it from Paul Carlstadt
who
gotnit from Dave Danks (ex CAT president).  

I would not want to trust to
any mail service.

Its hiding behind my dresser.  On the left side of the
artwork, it
say vertically  'Rootes Design Group' in block letters.

Dve

Dave
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From: "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
To: Larry & Susan <wrightsinseabrook at speakeasy.net>; Tiger List
<tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, November 30, 2010 5:00:32 PM
Subject: Re:
[Tigers] Tiger logos repository?

I can add them to the Tigers United website,
but they would effectively be
'free' images, with no copyright restrictions
that we can enforce, and it
would be advertised as such. This is because (1)
we don't own the copyright of
the original artwork (does anyone, or is it
effectively public domain at this
point?) and (2) we're not in a position to
chase after the bozos that scrape
content off of TU.com, put it on CD and then
sell them on eBay.

In this context, "we" is all of us, and possibly more
specifically Steve
Laifman and John Orzechowski.
Let me know...
Thanks,
Theo
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> Subject: [Tigers] Tiger logos
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>
> As fallout of the wineglass project, I asked for from the
group and
> received
> several of the rectangular Sunbeam Tiger Powered By
Ford logos in jpeg
> format, plus I paid to have one made a monochromatic
Vector file (.ai
> extension), which I'd donate to any individual or entity
that might put
> it
> in a place of benefit to other Tiger owners in the
future. I'd presume
> others would not mind if I sent along their jpegs too.
>
> Larry Wright
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From glowboy at starstream.net  Tue Nov 30 20:45:30 2010
From: glowboy at starstream.net (DERRICK SCHMIDT)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:45:30 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger logos repository?
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I'm in Nor Cal, but I'm sure somebody could come over with a laptop and a decent 
scanner.

Derrick
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: David T Johnson <djoh797014 at yahoo.com>
Date:  Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:11:24 -0800 (PST)

>Theo
>
>I am in possession of the orginal artwork.  I got it from Paul Carlstadt
>who
>gotnit from Dave Danks (ex CAT president).  
>
>I would not want to trust to
>any mail service.
>
>Its hiding behind my dresser.  On the left side of the
>artwork, it
>say vertically  'Rootes Design Group' in block letters.
>
>Dve
>
>Dave
 




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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Nov 30 22:34:33 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:34:33 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger logos repository?
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A while back i did an EPS file of the "tiger" lat style logo. I have it in
colour versions with ornage and black, in black and white and inversed
colours  ( i can do it in any colours now that its all vectors). I am happy
to help people out with files and do artwork for them, however i do not want
to put the original artwork on the web re: issues with people taking it and
using it for their profit. I can probide JPEGS to people but will hold onto
the EPS stuff.




On 1 December 2010 14:45, DERRICK SCHMIDT <glowboy at starstream.net> wrote:

> I'm in Nor Cal, but I'm sure somebody could come over with a laptop and a
> decent
> scanner.
>
> Derrick
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: David T Johnson <djoh797014 at yahoo.com>
> Date:  Tue, 30 Nov 2010 19:11:24 -0800 (PST)
>
> >Theo
> >
> >I am in possession of the orginal artwork.  I got it from Paul Carlstadt
> >who
> >gotnit from Dave Danks (ex CAT president).
> >
> >I would not want to trust to
> >any mail service.
> >
> >Its hiding behind my dresser.  On the left side of the
> >artwork, it
> >say vertically  'Rootes Design Group' in block letters.
> >
> >Dve
> >
> >Dave
>
>
>
>
>
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