From tym2 at comcast.net Tue Mar 2 06:39:46 2010 From: tym2 at comcast.net (tym2 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 13:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Rear End Spline Question Message-ID: <1606291817.10916641267537186338.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Tigers, Is the rear end in my 66 Mk1A a 19 or 30 spline? Thanks in advance, Tym McDowell From m_dangelo at verizon.net Tue Mar 2 09:19:20 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (m_dangelo at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 10:19:20 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Tigers] Rear End Spline Question Message-ID: <1900878606.280234.1267546760191.JavaMail.root@vms232.mailsrvcs.net> From atwittsend at verizon.net Tue Mar 2 09:55:22 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 08:55:22 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Rear End Spline Question References: <1606291817.10916641267537186338.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <49C292DDC119464C8005D5DAFAAB6128@student2> >>> Is the rear end in my 66 Mk1A a 19 or 30 spline?<<< If you have owned the Tiger since new an never changed the gears than then it would be the stock 19 spline. However..., if you are not the original owner there is no guarantee of knowing. The only way to really know is to remove the four bolts holding the drive shaft and then pull the large nut on the flange to see. It would seem reasonable to assume if the ratio is 2.88 that there is a very high likelihood it is 19 spline, but again no guarantee. Tom From cjcoffel at sonic.net Tue Mar 2 09:56:07 2010 From: cjcoffel at sonic.net (cjcoffel at sonic.net) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 08:56:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Value of Tiger In-Reply-To: <1900878606.280234.1267546760191.JavaMail.root@vms232.mailsrvcs.net> References: <1900878606.280234.1267546760191.JavaMail.root@vms232.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <5052.76.191.205.210.1267548967.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> Anyone care to speculate on the value of my red Tiger. I know what I have into it but don't know what I should ask for it in todays market. Any advice would be appreciated. Chris Here's my website. http://uberpilot.zenfolio.com/p714948600 If I can come up with a price I'd like to offer it inside the Tiger community first. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as cjcoffel at sonic.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Tue Mar 2 10:48:27 2010 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 12:48:27 EST Subject: [Tigers] Value of Tiger Message-ID: <644e5.671f053d.38bea96b@aol.com> Had one similar to this one back in 68. Nice car. In a message dated 3/2/2010 8:56:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, cjcoffel at sonic.net writes: Anyone care to speculate on the value of my red Tiger. I know what I have into it but don't know what I should ask for it in todays market. Any advice would be appreciated. Chris Here's my website. http://uberpilot.zenfolio.com/p714948600 If I can come up with a price I'd like to offer it inside the Tiger community first. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as cjcoffel at sonic.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as aaaglasss at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From cjcoffel at sonic.net Tue Mar 2 12:10:16 2010 From: cjcoffel at sonic.net (cjcoffel at sonic.net) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 11:10:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] [Fwd: Tiger Value part 2] Message-ID: <9157.76.191.205.210.1267557016.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> base64 encoded Mime section invalid - length (7374) was wrong. [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Mar 2 15:43:21 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 09:43:21 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Value of Tiger In-Reply-To: <5052.76.191.205.210.1267548967.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> References: <1900878606.280234.1267546760191.JavaMail.root@vms232.mailsrvcs.net> <5052.76.191.205.210.1267548967.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> Message-ID: I have been looking through the pics of your Tiger.. its a very presentable car, there are detail issues and some personalisation, but overall a really nice job. I would be asking mid to high 30's as a fair price. I paid that for mine in 2007 and it had no hardtop and was missing some pricey parts your car has.. but was a full resto.. so figured a straight good body and new ford motor was worth the tracking down other parts. Why are you selling? On 3 March 2010 03:56, wrote: > Anyone care to speculate on the value of my red Tiger. I know what I have > into it but don't know what I should ask for it in todays market. Any > advice would be appreciated. > > Chris > > Here's my > website. > > http://uberpilot.zenfolio.com/p714948600 > > If I can come up with a price I'd like to offer it inside the > Tiger community first. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support > Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are > subscribed as cjcoffel at sonic.net > > > > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as michael.s.king at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > -- Regards Michael King From tigerpb at cox.net Tue Mar 2 15:47:13 2010 From: tigerpb at cox.net (Paul Burr) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 17:47:13 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Free leftover Tiger parts Message-ID: Having sold my Tiger several years ago, i still have a few parts collecting dust. -The trunk spare tire/battery cover. The plywood is water damaged, but it was useful as a pattern in making a new one. -A set of original brake lines. Again, they were useful as patterns. Don't even think of using them on a car! -Brake drum, suspension, calipers, and an Alpine rotor. -The plates that go between the cross member and the chassis. One's in good shape. -The cart I built to hold the engine and tranny. Also used to to roll them under the Cat and install. -Used Tiger clutch. I replaced this with a Mcleod. It worked fine when in the car and would make a good core for a rebuild. It's free for the asking. The only hitch is that it must be picked up in Warwick, RI . I'm not going to ship this stuff. pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/tigerpb3/TigerBits3210500PM?pli=1# From m_dangelo at verizon.net Tue Mar 2 16:03:09 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 18:03:09 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Free leftover Tiger parts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I need it all! Please let me know how I can get these things to me! Thanks. Mauro On 3/2/10 5:47 PM, "Paul Burr" wrote: > Having sold my Tiger several years ago, i still have a few parts > collecting dust. > > -The trunk spare tire/battery cover. The plywood is water damaged, but > it was useful as a pattern in making a new one. > > -A set of original brake lines. Again, they were useful as patterns. > Don't even think of using them on a car! > > -Brake drum, suspension, calipers, and an Alpine rotor. > > -The plates that go between the cross member and the chassis. One's in > good shape. > > -The cart I built to hold the engine and tranny. Also used to to roll > them under the Cat and install. > > -Used Tiger clutch. I replaced this with a Mcleod. It worked fine when > in the car and would make a good core for a rebuild. > > It's free for the asking. The only hitch is that it must be picked up > in Warwick, RI . I'm not going to ship this stuff. > > pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/tigerpb3/TigerBits3210500PM?pli=1# > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as m_dangelo at verizon.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From m_dangelo at verizon.net Tue Mar 2 16:12:49 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 18:12:49 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Free leftover Tiger parts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Never mind. I just saw the no shipping clause. Sorry about that Chief! M On 3/2/10 5:47 PM, "Paul Burr" wrote: > Having sold my Tiger several years ago, i still have a few parts > collecting dust. > > -The trunk spare tire/battery cover. The plywood is water damaged, but > it was useful as a pattern in making a new one. > > -A set of original brake lines. Again, they were useful as patterns. > Don't even think of using them on a car! > > -Brake drum, suspension, calipers, and an Alpine rotor. > > -The plates that go between the cross member and the chassis. One's in > good shape. > > -The cart I built to hold the engine and tranny. Also used to to roll > them under the Cat and install. > > -Used Tiger clutch. I replaced this with a Mcleod. It worked fine when > in the car and would make a good core for a rebuild. > > It's free for the asking. The only hitch is that it must be picked up > in Warwick, RI . I'm not going to ship this stuff. > > pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/tigerpb3/TigerBits3210500PM?pli=1# > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as m_dangelo at verizon.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From m_dangelo at verizon.net Tue Mar 2 16:41:06 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 18:41:06 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Value of Tiger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Michael, Of which issues and personalization do you speak? I see the 260 and Powered by Ford badges on the sides (I actually think these look super cool and could easily be removed), but I am curious to know what else your trained eye sees. I am curious to know what kind of mufflers those are. They must sound pretty cool. On 3/2/10 5:43 PM, "michael king" wrote: > I have been looking through the pics of your Tiger.. its a very presentable > car, there are detail issues and some personalisation, but overall a really > nice job. > > I would be asking mid to high 30's as a fair price. I paid that for mine in > 2007 and it had no hardtop and was missing some pricey parts your car has.. > but was a full resto.. so figured a straight good body and new ford motor > was worth the tracking down other parts. > > Why are you selling? > > On 3 March 2010 03:56, wrote: > >> Anyone care to speculate on the value of my red Tiger. I know what I have >> into it but don't know what I should ask for it in todays market. Any >> advice would be appreciated. >> >> Chris >> >> Here's my >> website. >> >> http://uberpilot.zenfolio.com/p714948600 >> >> If I can come up with a price I'd like to offer it inside the >> Tiger community first. >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> Support >> Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> You are >> subscribed as cjcoffel at sonic.net >>> >>> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >>> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >>> >>> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as michael.s.king at gmail.com >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive From e.coiner at cox.net Tue Mar 2 21:41:08 2010 From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 20:41:08 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Value of Tiger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20100302234108.V31GY.718758.imail@fed1rmwml41> What I see. Steering wheel is aftermarket, Holley Carb on Aluminum Hi Rise manifold Chrome air cleaner, lid of console has too much foam padding. 260 V emblem from a mustang and Powered by Ford badge on side are not stock. On the whole it is a nice looking driver tiger. Erich ---- MAURO D'ANGELO wrote: > Michael, Of which issues and personalization do you speak? I see the 260 > and Powered by Ford badges on the sides (I actually think these look super > cool and could easily be removed), but I am curious to know what else your > trained eye sees. I am curious to know what kind of mufflers those are. > They must sound pretty cool. > > > On 3/2/10 5:43 PM, "michael king" wrote: > > > I have been looking through the pics of your Tiger.. its a very presentable > > car, there are detail issues and some personalisation, but overall a really > > nice job. > > > > I would be asking mid to high 30's as a fair price. I paid that for mine in > > 2007 and it had no hardtop and was missing some pricey parts your car has.. > > but was a full resto.. so figured a straight good body and new ford motor > > was worth the tracking down other parts. > > > > Why are you selling? > > > > On 3 March 2010 03:56, wrote: > > > >> Anyone care to speculate on the value of my red Tiger. I know what I have > >> into it but don't know what I should ask for it in todays market. Any > >> advice would be appreciated. > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> Here's my > >> website. > >> > >> http://uberpilot.zenfolio.com/p714948600 > >> > >> If I can come up with a price I'd like to offer it inside the > >> Tiger community first. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >>> Support > >> Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> > >>> You are > >> subscribed as cjcoffel at sonic.net > >>> > >>> > >> Tigers at autox.team.net > >>> > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >>> > >>> > >> http://www.team.net/archive > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> You are subscribed as michael.s.king at gmail.com > >> > >> Tigers at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >> > >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as e.coiner at cox.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From MWood24020 at aol.com Tue Mar 2 21:47:19 2010 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 23:47:19 EST Subject: [Tigers] Value of Tiger Message-ID: <1d7c0.1a697b49.38bf43d7@aol.com> Yep, that's what I'd say, too. I'd also say the market right now isn't exactly on fire, based on a couple of really nice cars not getting close to reserves at auction, so anything over $30k is probably "all the money". But, you never know...resale red ;-) In a message dated 3/2/2010 8:43:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, e.coiner at cox.net writes: On the whole it is a nice looking driver tiger. From mai65tai at sonic.net Wed Mar 3 13:19:07 2010 From: mai65tai at sonic.net (John Stithem) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 12:19:07 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger value Message-ID: <003501cabb0e$c742cae0$55c860a0$@net> Hi Chris, I see you are from Santa Rosa, CA. In case you didn't know---The West Coast Tigers United meet is in June and in Santa Rosa. This might be a great venue for you to sell your car-if you can wait that long. Contact me off list if you want more information. John Stithem Santa Rosa, CA (c) 707/326-6133 (H) 707/527-0202 From rande at thecia.net Wed Mar 3 16:00:55 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 18:00:55 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: <4b8eea27.14b5.0@thecia.net> Hi, For those into Harrington-converted cars like the Type A, LeMans GT, Type C and D Alpines, as well as the Dove GTR4 Triumph, there's a nifty website for Thomas Harrington Coachbuilders: http://www.thcoachwork.co.uk/ The site features most of their products, so there's a few coaches (buses) in the mix, as well. From zymmer4 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 3 17:41:35 2010 From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 16:41:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <4b8eea27.14b5.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: <377159.77101.qm@web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi, Awsome site!! zym The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Wed, 3/3/10, rande wrote: From: rande Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) To: tigers at autox.team.net Cc: alpines at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 6:00 PM Hi, For those into Harrington-converted cars like the Type A, LeMans GT, Type C and D Alpines, as well as the Dove GTR4 Triumph, there's a nifty website for Thomas Harrington Coachbuilders: http://www.thcoachwork.co.uk/ The site features most of their products, so there's a few coaches (buses) in the mix, as well. You are subscribed as zymmer4 at yahoo.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com Thu Mar 4 09:33:19 2010 From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com (Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:33:19 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] ROTA rims on e-bay Message-ID: Does anyone on the list have a set of these ROTA rims listed on e-bay? The price is great but I'm not sure if the offset is correct. The best answer they could give me was: "We sold a set to someone and they did not complain about the fit." Paul http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/15X7-ROTA-RB-4x108-15-WHEELS-SUNBEAM-TIGER-CAPRI_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1e5ac44208QQitemZ130371830280QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories From s_ralsten at yahoo.com Thu Mar 4 12:16:49 2010 From: s_ralsten at yahoo.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:16:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] ROTA rims on e-bay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <795993.80966.qm@web114106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Sorry Paul, am of no help to you at all but thought I'd ask one of my stupid questions. What is offset regarding wheels and how do you know what is and isn't right ? Thanks Steve ________________________________ From: "Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com" To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 8:33:19 AM Subject: [Tigers] ROTA rims on e-bay Does anyone on the list have a set of these ROTA rims listed on e-bay? The price is great but I'm not sure if the offset is correct. The best answer they could give me was: "We sold a set to someone and they did not complain about the fit." Paul http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/15X7-ROTA-RB-4x108-15-WHEELS-SUNBEAM-TIGER-CAP RI_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1e5ac44208QQitemZ130371830280QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ 5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories You are subscribed as s_ralsten at yahoo.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com Thu Mar 4 12:52:55 2010 From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com (Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 14:52:55 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] ROTA rims on e-bay In-Reply-To: <795993.80966.qm@web114106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Here's a good offset explanation picture: http://www.wheelsnext.com/content/wheel_tech.html For a 15x7 rim you'll need to take a couple of rulers and go into the wheel well to see what works. :') Grassroots chose 24mm front and 25 mm rear (although they modified their rear fenders somewhat.) http://classicmotorsports.net/project-cars/1965-sunbeam-tiger/tiger-feet/ I really just want to know if anyone has tried them. Paul Steve Ralsten wrote on 03/04/2010 02:16:49 PM: > Sorry Paul, am of no help to you at all but thought I'd ask one of my > stupid questions. What is offset regarding wheels and how do you > know what is and isn't right ? > > Thanks > > Steve > > From: "Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com" > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 8:33:19 AM > Subject: [Tigers] ROTA rims on e-bay > > Does anyone on the list have a set of these ROTA rims listed on e-bay? > The price is great but I'm not sure if the offset is correct. > The best answer they could give me was: "We sold a set to someone and they > did not complain about the fit." > > Paul > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/15X7-ROTA-RB-4x108-15-WHEELS-SUNBEAM- > TIGER- > CAPRI_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1e5ac44208QQitemZ130371830280QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as s_ralsten at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net Thu Mar 4 13:59:49 2010 From: sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net (Paul R Sheahan) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 12:59:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator Message-ID: <953471.88026.qm@web83711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> My voltage regulator needs to be replaced. I am looking for the "old" style with the silver body/black cap instead of the newer version with the anodized body(gold color) with the blue cap. Anyone know where I might locate one or two. Thanks, Paul Paul R Sheahan From tigerdan at cavtel.net Thu Mar 4 14:07:48 2010 From: tigerdan at cavtel.net (tigerdan at cavtel.net) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 21:07:48 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator Message-ID: Paul, I got mine at National Parts Depot. They have the correct one and is the same for the 1965 Mustang w/generator. Dan ------Original Message------ From: Paul R Sheahan Sender: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator Sent: Mar 4, 2010 3:59 PM My voltage regulator needs to be replaced. I am looking for the "old" style with the silver body/black cap instead of the newer version with the anodized body(gold color) with the blue cap. Anyone know where I might locate one or two. Thanks, Paul Paul R Sheahan You are subscribed as tigerdan at cavtel.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From tigerpb at cox.net Thu Mar 4 17:20:20 2010 From: tigerpb at cox.net (Paul Burr) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 19:20:20 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator In-Reply-To: <953471.88026.qm@web83711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <953471.88026.qm@web83711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Try Mustang Depot - http://www.mustangdepot.com/OnLineCatalog/Electrical/voltage_regulators.htm Paul On Mar 4, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Paul R Sheahan wrote: > My voltage regulator needs to be replaced. I am looking for the > "old" style > with the silver body/black cap instead of the newer version with > the anodized > body(gold color) with the blue cap. Anyone know where I might > locate one or > two. > Thanks, > > Paul > Paul R Sheahan > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tigerpb at cox.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From cjcoffel at sonic.net Thu Mar 4 17:52:06 2010 From: cjcoffel at sonic.net (cjcoffel at sonic.net) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 16:52:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Value of Tiger Part 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23849.76.191.205.210.1267750326.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> We'll, I decided to put it on E-Bay. We'll see what happens. Chris From m_dangelo at verizon.net Thu Mar 4 18:01:24 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 20:01:24 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Oil Breather Cap In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi all. Does anyone know where I might find a Tiger oil breather cap -- the one with the tube that has a 90 degree bend to the side like the one in the attached picture? I don't mine if it's black or chrome. Any leads would be appreciated! Thanks in advance. Mauro [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Ford part number C4TZ-6766-A.jpg] From sganz at pacbell.net Thu Mar 4 18:25:42 2010 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 17:25:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator In-Reply-To: <953471.88026.qm@web83711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <953471.88026.qm@web83711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <151062.24222.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> When I had on in my 65 Mustang, I wanted the old school looking one, but the Autozone only had the newer electronic ones in stock. Well after looking at it the base of the case was the same as the old one, and the lid was just shorter since no relays were used. All I did was drill out the 2 rivets on the electronic one, remove the short top, and then put the old original top back on with the old sheet metal screws from the old one and viola! Old meets new. Looked perfect. Not sure if your talking about the Generator or Alternator style, this was for an alternator. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Paul R Sheahan To: "tigers at autox.team.net" Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 12:59:49 PM Subject: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator My voltage regulator needs to be replaced. I am looking for the "old" style with the silver body/black cap instead of the newer version with the anodized body(gold color) with the blue cap. Anyone know where I might locate one or two. Thanks, Paul Paul R Sheahan You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Thu Mar 4 18:25:38 2010 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 20:25:38 EST Subject: [Tigers] Repro Hood Message-ID: <81c6e.400a693e.38c1b792@aol.com> E-pay item 320495558338 . Any comments? From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Mar 4 19:01:28 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 13:01:28 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Repro Hood In-Reply-To: <81c6e.400a693e.38c1b792@aol.com> References: <81c6e.400a693e.38c1b792@aol.com> Message-ID: I bought one, its from Jeff Haworth in the Uk.. he built a nice box.. shipped down to australia.. have not painted it yet but gel coat finsh was nice, edges are nice.. seems a really good item.. i was happy (though have not fitted it yet). However.. if you are in the USA.. have you checked your local suppliers Dale etc? I bought mine from Jeff with 3 others here in AU as a bulk order.. as we have no local supliers, others have fitted theirs and said they are good. On 5 March 2010 12:25, wrote: > E-pay item 320495558338 . Any comments? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as michael.s.king at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > -- Regards Michael King From jim at island.net Thu Mar 4 19:04:45 2010 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 18:04:45 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Oil Breather Cap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1ABB6FE79B7A483A8BA9A9FAA7BA974C@JIMPC> Hi Mauro There's been a guy on Flea-bay that seems to have an endless supply although he doesn't have one up for auction right now. His 'nic' is orr4sale ... He also regularly sells Fairmont reduced diameter water pump pulleys... Other than that, if your cruisin' the junkyards, I've been told that there is another early Ford ( truck? ) breather that is the same only the tube is 900 up but can be very carefully rotated down to the 'Tiger' position... Sad that all the older cars have been crushed as it was a great source for parts... You had asked a while back about soft tops .... I just received a 'Sun-fast' cloth ( vs vinyl )top ( made by Robbins ) from Sunbeam Specialties for my MK1A . It was a special order @ $633 vs about $300 for the vinyl ones... Looks incredible although somewhat different than stock... for the purists I was told that the exact MK1A fabric is unobtainium anyway although the MK1 material can still be had according to Rick at SS. Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO Sent: March 4, 2010 5:01 PM To: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Oil Breather Cap Hi all. Does anyone know where I might find a Tiger oil breather cap -- the one with the tube that has a 90 degree bend to the side like the one in the attached picture? I don't mine if it's black or chrome. Any leads would be appreciated! Thanks in advance. Mauro [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Ford part number C4TZ-6766-A.jpg] You are subscribed as jim at island.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2721 - Release Date: 03/03/10 11:34:00 From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Thu Mar 4 21:07:50 2010 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 23:07:50 EST Subject: [Tigers] Repro Hood Message-ID: <87fe8.6569a125.38c1dd96@aol.com> This seller is in Corona del Mar, CA, United States. The BOnnet looks to be a nice piece of work. Has any one purchased one of these and how do they fit? In a message dated 3/4/2010 6:01:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, michael.s.king at gmail.com writes: I bought one, its from Jeff Haworth in the Uk.. he built a nice box.. shipped down to australia.. have not painted it yet but gel coat finsh was nice, edges are nice.. seems a really good item.. i was happy (though have not fitted it yet). However.. if you are in the USA.. have you checked your local suppliers Dale etc? I bought mine from Jeff with 3 others here in AU as a bulk order.. as we have no local supliers, others have fitted theirs and said they are good. On 5 March 2010 12:25, <_AAAGLASSS at aol.com_ (mailto:AAAGLASSS at aol.com) > wrote: E-pay item 320495558338 . Any comments? You are subscribed as _michael.s.king at gmail.com_ (mailto:michael.s.king at gmail.com) _Tigers at autox.team.net_ (mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net) _http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers_ (http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers) _http://www.team.net/archive_ (http://www.team.net/archive) -- Regards Michael King From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Mar 4 22:22:27 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 16:22:27 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Repro Hood In-Reply-To: <87fe8.6569a125.38c1dd96@aol.com> References: <87fe8.6569a125.38c1dd96@aol.com> Message-ID: Ok.. not sure if brad is now an agent for these bonnets.. but they are the photos and the details from Jeff Haworths LAt bonnets in the UK.. I have close photos of mine if people are interested. this is jeffs listing: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sunbeam-Tiger-or-Alpine-LAT-bonnet-NEW_W0QQitemZ290405490991QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item439d84212f On 5 March 2010 15:07, wrote: > This seller is in Corona del Mar, CA, United States. The BOnnet looks to > be a nice piece of work. Has any one purchased one of these and how do they > fit? > > In a message dated 3/4/2010 6:01:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > michael.s.king at gmail.com writes: > > I bought one, its from Jeff Haworth in the Uk.. he built a nice box.. > shipped down to australia.. have not painted it yet but gel coat finsh was > nice, edges are nice.. seems a really good item.. i was happy (though have > not fitted it yet). > > However.. if you are in the USA.. have you checked your local suppliers > Dale etc? I bought mine from Jeff with 3 others here in AU as a bulk order.. > as we have no local supliers, others have fitted theirs and said they are > good. > > On 5 March 2010 12:25, wrote: > >> E-pay item 320495558338 . Any comments? >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as michael.s.king at gmail.com >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> > > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > > -- Regards Michael King From cjcoffel at sonic.net Thu Mar 4 23:15:16 2010 From: cjcoffel at sonic.net (cjcoffel at sonic.net) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 22:15:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Repro Hood In-Reply-To: References: <87fe8.6569a125.38c1dd96@aol.com> Message-ID: <5300.76.191.205.210.1267769716.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> It would be great to get Rick at Sunbeam Specialties to bring some in. Looks like a great product. Chris > Ok.. not sure if brad is now an agent for these bonnets.. but they are the > photos and the details from Jeff Haworths LAt bonnets in the UK.. I have > close photos of mine if people are interested. > > this is jeffs listing: > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sunbeam-Tiger-or-Alpine-LAT-bonnet-NEW_W0QQitemZ290405490991QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item439d84212f > > On 5 March 2010 15:07, wrote: > >> This seller is in Corona del Mar, CA, United States. The BOnnet looks >> to >> be a nice piece of work. Has any one purchased one of these and how do >> they >> fit? >> >> In a message dated 3/4/2010 6:01:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> michael.s.king at gmail.com writes: >> >> I bought one, its from Jeff Haworth in the Uk.. he built a nice box.. >> shipped down to australia.. have not painted it yet but gel coat finsh >> was >> nice, edges are nice.. seems a really good item.. i was happy (though >> have >> not fitted it yet). >> >> However.. if you are in the USA.. have you checked your local suppliers >> Dale etc? I bought mine from Jeff with 3 others here in AU as a bulk >> order.. >> as we have no local supliers, others have fitted theirs and said they >> are >> good. >> >> On 5 March 2010 12:25, wrote: >> >>> E-pay item 320495558338 . Any comments? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> You are subscribed as michael.s.king at gmail.com >>> >>> Tigers at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >>> >>> http://www.team.net/archive >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards >> >> Michael King >> >> > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as cjcoffel at sonic.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From amberlychamberlain at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 5 00:29:59 2010 From: amberlychamberlain at sbcglobal.net (Amberly Chamberlain) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 23:29:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Repro Hood In-Reply-To: <87fe8.6569a125.38c1dd96@aol.com> Message-ID: <302488.49380.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I purchased one from Brad and the fit was good. The Gelcoat is smooth and the hood is ridgid. I would recommend taking a look and making up your own mind. Cheers Frank --- On Thu, 3/4/10, AAAGLASSS at aol.com wrote: From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Repro Hood To: michael.s.king at gmail.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, March 4, 2010, 8:07 PM This seller is in Corona del Mar, CA, United States. The BOnnet looks to be a nice piece of work. Has any one purchased one of these and how do they fit? In a message dated 3/4/2010 6:01:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, michael.s.king at gmail.com writes: I bought one, its from Jeff Haworth in the Uk.. he built a nice box.. shipped down to australia.. have not painted it yet but gel coat finsh was nice, edges are nice.. seems a really good item.. i was happy (though have not fitted it yet). However.. if you are in the USA.. have you checked your local suppliers Dale etc? I bought mine from Jeff with 3 others here in AU as a bulk order.. as we have no local supliers, others have fitted theirs and said they are good. On 5 March 2010 12:25, <_AAAGLASSS at aol.com_ (mailto:AAAGLASSS at aol.com) > wrote: E-pay item 320495558338 . Any comments? You are subscribed as _michael.s.king at gmail.com_ (mailto:michael.s.king at gmail.com) _Tigers at autox.team.net_ (mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net) _http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers_ (http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers) _http://www.team.net/archive_ (http://www.team.net/archive) -- Regards Michael King You are subscribed as amberlychamberlain at sbcglobal.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigerpb at cox.net Fri Mar 5 11:38:06 2010 From: tigerpb at cox.net (Paul Burr) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 13:38:06 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Free leftover Tiger parts Message-ID: All Parts were picked up today. Thanks for all the interest. From RSSmithIQ at cs.com Fri Mar 5 20:47:18 2010 From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 22:47:18 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Test Message-ID: <4B91D045.40706@cs.com> Test. Been pretty dead the last week. Just checking. -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ at cs.com Tiger- B382000189 From m_dangelo at verizon.net Sat Mar 6 18:31:45 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO) Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 20:31:45 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Camshafts In-Reply-To: <4B91D045.40706@cs.com> Message-ID: Hi all. I am wondering if anyone can tell me how to identify the camshaft I have in the Mark 2 289 engine I'm rebuilding. As a follow-on question, I would like to hear your opinions as to which is the best cam shaft to choose for my Tiger, which will be driven mostly on the street. Is there a new camshaft that is the same as the one offered as an LAT option? Thanks! Mauro From m_dangelo at verizon.net Sat Mar 6 18:32:51 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO) Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 20:32:51 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Master and Slave Cylinders In-Reply-To: <4B91D045.40706@cs.com> Message-ID: Hello all. I think I may have a leak in my clutch master of slave cylinder. It may just need to be bled, but if it turns out to be leaking, I would like to know if the Tiger parts were also used on other cars. Does anyone know? Also, what are the part numbers and cylinder diameters? Thanks. Mauro From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sat Mar 6 19:31:49 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 13:31:49 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Camshafts In-Reply-To: References: <4B91D045.40706@cs.com> Message-ID: Mauro, They grind cams to quite different specs now to the LAT shafts. Deppending on what you want, you are better going to a roller cam, smooth, reliable and they let the motor spin up really nicely. If you want an oriignal type cam look at offerings from edelbrock and crane. There are tha many grind specs for cams for the SBF's that you would take longer than the resto to go through them all. -- Regards Michael King From un-cole-a at juno.com Sun Mar 7 07:10:45 2010 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 14:10:45 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on E Bay #130371555931 Message-ID: <20100307.091045.6336.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Listed as "One original un restored 1965 Sunbeam Tiger Mk 1", but later on in the description they list "Parts that are relatively new to this car", then list 32 new items. Some items are rather extensive, question being" How many items can you replace before the car stops being" original unrestored " Tiger?? I look at this Tiger as a nice example but far from "original unrestored". To me "original unrestored" would mean the car has not been restored in any way except item such as spark plugs or things of this nature. Just wonder what the thoughts are of the other Tiger list members. Tim B9470149 ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=RT4VKgCXyQ3ragh5oKlBZAAAJ1Cz2ph jhrvOiZQP4sCghJ_SAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= From tigerpb at cox.net Sun Mar 7 08:53:41 2010 From: tigerpb at cox.net (Paul Burr) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 10:53:41 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Check out SALVAGE CARS AND MOTORCYCLES References: <62e87.57ab5705.38c44d76@aol.com> Message-ID: <68237C85-544F-440A-831D-BB78D85E2F88@cox.net> Read 'em and cringe! The Cobra for 3K is really sad. Begin forwarded message: > > > Subject: Check out SALVAGE CARS AND MOTORCYCLES > > SALVAGE CARS AND MOTORCYCLES From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sun Mar 7 09:11:47 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 11:11:47 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Camshafts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mauro The stock Ford hydraulic cam shaft for a 289 should have a "UA" marking cast into it. These days with the lack of additives in oil I lean toward the roller cam which today's oil and future oil is designed. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:32 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Camshafts Hi all. I am wondering if anyone can tell me how to identify the camshaft I have in the Mark 2 289 engine I'm rebuilding. As a follow-on question, I would like to hear your opinions as to which is the best cam shaft to choose for my Tiger, which will be driven mostly on the street. Is there a new camshaft that is the same as the one offered as an LAT option? Thanks! Mauro _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2723 - Release Date: 03/05/10 07:34:00 From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sun Mar 7 09:14:56 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 11:14:56 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Master and Slave Cylinders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mauro Rebuild kits are available for the clutch master and slave cylinder. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:33 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Master and Slave Cylinders Hello all. I think I may have a leak in my clutch master of slave cylinder. It may just need to be bled, but if it turns out to be leaking, I would like to know if the Tiger parts were also used on other cars. Does anyone know? Also, what are the part numbers and cylinder diameters? Thanks. Mauro _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2723 - Release Date: 03/05/10 07:34:00 From MWood24020 at aol.com Sun Mar 7 10:14:54 2010 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 12:14:54 EST Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on E Bay #130371555931 Message-ID: <7e087.ab97fc1.38c5390e@aol.com> I'd say most of the parts replaced are just normal wear items and the performance parts installed are bolt ons and (in most every case) the original is also provided. However, it has had a complete repaint...original unrestored, to me, means that at least 75% of the paint is original. A car that is, basically, low mile/showroom spec, ex things like plugs/belts/hoses, I would call a "survivor". It is all terminology...in any case, it looks like a nice, honest Tiger that someone could buy and enjoy immediately. In a message dated 3/7/2010 6:41:32 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, un-cole-a at juno.com writes: Listed as "One original un restored 1965 Sunbeam Tiger Mk 1", but later on in the description they list "Parts that are relatively new to this car", then list 32 new items. Some items are rather extensive, question being" How many items can you replace before the car stops being" original unrestored " Tiger?? I look at this Tiger as a nice example but far from "original unrestored". To me "original unrestored" would mean the car has not been restored in any way except item such as spark plugs or things of this nature. Just wonder what the thoughts are of the other Tiger list members. Tim B9470149 ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=RT4VKgCXyQ3ragh5oKlBZAAAJ1Cz2p h jhrvOiZQP4sCghJ_SAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020 at aol.com From mark at bradakis.com Fri Mar 5 16:40:58 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:40:58 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Quick list note Message-ID: <4B91968A.5090209@bradakis.com> I've been slowly getting around to making some changes to the footer included in all the real time messages. The admin link is now clearly labeled "Unsubscribe/Manage" to make it easier for folks to figure out how to get off the list, change from regular to digest or vice versa, set vacation mode or whatever. mjb. From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 5 00:31:34 2010 From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 07:31:34 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Repro Hood In-Reply-To: <5300.76.191.205.210.1267769716.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> Message-ID: Hi Michael and Chris, yes, the hood listed by Brad is one of mine. He has bought a number and I shipped them to him in CA recently, as did Michael in Aus. I have them made with metal inserts for hinges and latch bolts. Obviously the shipping cost from the UK is lower if you can ship more than one or if you are in CA, collection of one form Brad would make sense. Contact me if interested. regards Jeff cjcoffel at sonic.net wrote: > It would be great to get Rick at Sunbeam Specialties to bring some in. > Looks like a great product. > > Chris > > > > > > Ok.. not sure if brad is now an agent for these bonnets.. but they > are the > > photos and the details from Jeff Haworths LAt bonnets > in the UK.. I have > > close photos of mine if people are > interested. > > > > this is jeffs listing: > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sunbeam-Tiger-or-Alpine-LAT-bonnet-NEW_W0QQitemZ290405490991QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item439d84212f > > > > > On 5 March 2010 15:07, > wrote: > > > >> This seller is in Corona del Mar, CA, > United States. The BOnnet looks > >> to > >> be a nice > piece of work. Has any one purchased one of these and how do > >> they > >> fit? > >> > >> In a > message dated 3/4/2010 6:01:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > >> > michael.s.king at gmail.com writes: > >> > >> I bought > one, its from Jeff Haworth in the Uk.. he built a nice box.. > >> shipped down to australia.. have not painted it yet but gel > coat finsh > >> was > >> nice, edges are nice.. seems > a really good item.. i was happy (though > >> have > >> not fitted it yet). > >> > >> However.. if > you are in the USA.. have you checked your local suppliers > >> > Dale etc? I bought mine from Jeff with 3 others here in AU as a bulk > >> order.. > >> as we have no local supliers, others > have fitted theirs and said they > >> are > >> good. > > >> > >> > > > > On 5 March 2010 > 12:25, wrote: > >> > >>> > E-pay item 320495558338 . Any comments? > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> Support > Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> > >>> You are subscribed as michael.s.king at gmail.com > >>> > >>> Tigers at autox.team.net > >>> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >>> > >>> http://www.team.net/archive > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > Regards > >> > >> Michael King > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Regards > > > > Michael King > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support > Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are > subscribed as cjcoffel at sonic.net > > > > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From tigerpb at cox.net Sun Mar 7 17:15:32 2010 From: tigerpb at cox.net (Paul Burr) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 19:15:32 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Check out SALVAGE CARS AND MOTORCYCLES In-Reply-To: <179608.85352.qm@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <62e87.57ab5705.38c44d76@aol.com> <68237C85-544F-440A-831D-BB78D85E2F88@cox.net> <179608.85352.qm@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9158EBCD-F606-4549-841C-4221F84F7E93@cox.net> oops! http://www.ridesafely.com/inventory.asp?vt=A&InventoryID=1003036764&description=1967%20FORD%20COBRA%20&Search=page%3D91%26vt%3DA%26Region%3D%26AuctionDate%3D%26Status%3D%26Make%3DFORD%26Model%3D On Mar 7, 2010, at 11:17 AM, Stephen Waybright wrote: > Is there supposed to be a link? > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Paul Burr > To: Tigers at autox.team.net > Sent: Sun, March 7, 2010 9:53:41 AM > Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Check out SALVAGE CARS AND MOTORCYCLES > > Read 'em and cringe! The Cobra for 3K is really sad. > > Begin forwarded message: > >> >> >> Subject: Check out SALVAGE CARS AND MOTORCYCLES >> >> SALVAGE CARS AND MOTORCYCLES > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gswaybright at yahoo.com From atwittsend at verizon.net Sun Mar 7 22:26:46 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 21:26:46 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Camshafts References: Message-ID: Mauro, If you can't get a part number for the specs you can try other methods to get a "general" idea. My Tiger has a "mystery" cam. I used a degree wheel and a dial indicator to take readings. Regardless of that, my research indicated that cam grinders use different starting points for measurement. While the "lift and duration at .050" is common today, older cams likely have "advertised" ratings. And, while one might assume these numbers start at "0" lift (just prior to a measurable lift) I often found .006 and other standards were used. Even after you get lift and duration readings it tells you nothing about the "ramp" of the cam unless you plot it at a significant number of degree points. At best I'd say get a lift and duration at .050 readings (for modern comparisons) and then eyeball the cam profile. The broader the ramp is at the top the more likely the cam is aggressive for its rated lift and duration. Lastly the lift is tied to the rocker ratio which typically (but not always) is 1.5 to 1. So, a cam with a total valve lift of .450 will only read .300 if measured at the lifter. Tom From mai65tai at sonic.net Sun Mar 7 22:40:40 2010 From: mai65tai at sonic.net (John Stithem) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 21:40:40 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] TU XXXII Update Message-ID: <000f01cabe81$e345edf0$a9d1c9d0$@net> TUXXXII June 17-20 2010 Santa Rosa California Announcement! Since the restoration of the Hollywood Sport Cars B Production Tiger, we have all been waiting for that special moment when the driver of the #55 Tiger, Jim Adams could be reunited with the Tiger that he helped to make so famous. Well mark your calendars and book your rooms, its happening! Jim is coming to Tigers United XXXII! This is a historic reunion with Jim Adams and the #55 car. The Doane Spencer built 1966 HSC McLaren Mk1 and 1976 Dekon Monza that Jim Adams drove will be there too. Chris Vandargriff, owner of the Historic Motor Sports Association who played an instrumental role in the rebirth of the #55 car is another honored guest. We have invited several lifetime friends of Mr. Adams to our celebration. This will be a once in a lifetime opportunity as Jim has not seen any of these cars in 30+ years. Join us at the optional Jim Adams dinner on Saturday night to see a presentation on Hollywood Sport Cars efforts and Jim Adams has agreed to talk about his time in the Tiger. Registration forms will be posted to the TU XXXII website http://web.me.com/kanejeff this week. (Those planning to trailer their cars will want to get their registration forms in ASAP.) If you have any questions please contact me at mai65tai at sonic.net John Stithem From mark.rense at ge.com Mon Mar 8 10:06:42 2010 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 12:06:42 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Camshafts In-Reply-To: References: <4B91D045.40706@cs.com> Message-ID: Mauro, Choosing the correct cam for your engine can be either an interesting exercise or a true pain in the arse. I have built 5 V-8 engines in the last few years, most of them SB Fords, and every one was different because the applications were all different. If you are keeping the stock 289 heads, pistons, intake and exhaust, then you will not benefit from a high performance cam. If you go with the equivalent of an LAT 1 intake, some head work (or aluminum heads, my preferred choice) and a good flowing exhaust, then a more aggressive cam profile should be pursued. Your current engine was designed in the '50's and made in the '60's, there have been a lot of interesting developments in making reliable horsepower since then. It all depends upon what level of performance you want out of the car. One of the best tools I have used for making cam choices is the software CamQuest6, it is from Comp Cams www.compcams.com and it is free. You can plug in a very detailed amount of data into the software, including usage, weight, engine bore/stroke, compression, head type, valve size, port size, intake, exhaust, carb, and much more, and it will list which cam profiles are best as well as giving you an estimated HP and torque curve for each set-up. Even if you don't like CompCams (I do) you can look up their cam profiles and shop around for competitive bump sticks. It's also interesting to see how nasty you can build a SBF by modifying the input data. All the major performance companies have help desks and tech guys that can give you recommendations. I agree with several other folks here on the list, if you are going to put any sort of miles on your car, convert it over to a roller lifter cam setup, the engine will run better, you won't have to worry about adding additives into the oil, and you'll gain some horsepower from the reduced friction. Contact me if you wish to discuss in more detail. Bugz -----Original Message----- From: MAURO D'ANGELO Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 8:32 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Camshafts Hi all. I am wondering if anyone can tell me how to identify the camshaft I have in the Mark 2 289 engine I'm rebuilding. As a follow-on question, I would like to hear your opinions as to which is the best cam shaft to choose for my Tiger, which will be driven mostly on the street. Is there a new camshaft that is the same as the one offered as an LAT option? Thanks! Mauro From milward at roadrunner.com Mon Mar 8 11:59:57 2010 From: milward at roadrunner.com (Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 10:59:57 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Turn Signal Switch with Flashing feature Message-ID: There were discussions about this a few months ago and if any one is interested there is a switch with the headlight flash feature for sale on Ebay. This is pretty rare and especially useful for some one with an after market steering wheel who needs another means of operating the horn. From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 9 07:03:10 2010 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 06:03:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Hard Top Source Message-ID: <765552.29999.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here is a UK source for a hard top that looks similar to the Rootes hard top. http://www.honeybournemouldings.co.uk/sunbeam.htm I don't know if it attaches the same way as the factory top or if it uses the turnbuckle method. Jeff From zimme008 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 9 11:15:27 2010 From: zimme008 at yahoo.com (Randy Zimmermann) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 10:15:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Hard Top Source In-Reply-To: <765552.29999.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <765552.29999.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <760374.95983.qm@web56408.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Any one out there in Tigerland that has had experience with this product? Sure appearst to be close to the original design. Randy ________________________________ From: Jeffrey Nichols To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 8:03:10 AM Subject: [Tigers] Hard Top Source Here is a UK source for a hard top that looks similar to the Rootes hard top. http://www.honeybournemouldings.co.uk/sunbeam.htm I don't know if it attaches the same way as the factory top or if it uses the turnbuckle method. Jeff _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/zimme008 at yahoo.com From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 9 11:38:24 2010 From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 18:38:24 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Hard Top Source In-Reply-To: <760374.95983.qm@web56408.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <765552.29999.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <760374.95983.qm@web56408.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Randy, greetings form the UK. These tops are well made and a good copy of the factory shape - they are often used for racing as they are obviously a lot lighter than the steel original. Obviously shipping to the US would need working out - if a few of you wanted one it would work out cheaper. I may be able to help form this end if people are keen. regards Jeff In message <760374.95983.qm at web56408.mail.re3.yahoo.com>, Randy Zimmermann writes >Any one out there in Tigerland that has had experience with this product? >Sure appearst to be close to the original design. > > >Randy >________________________________ >From: Jeffrey Nichols > >To: tigers at autox.team.net >Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 >8:03:10 AM >Subject: [Tigers] Hard Top Source > >Here is a UK source for a hard >top that looks similar to the Rootes hard top. >http://www.honeybournemouldings.co.uk/sunbeam.htm > > >I don't know if it >attaches the same way as the factory top or if it uses the >turnbuckle method. > Jeff >_______________________________________________ >Tigers at autox.team.net >Donate: >http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: >http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/zimme008 at yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >Tigers at autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk > > -- Jeff Howarth From joefinetti at hotmail.com Tue Mar 9 11:51:36 2010 From: joefinetti at hotmail.com (Joe Finetti) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 10:51:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn Message-ID: <1301511711.16432398.1268160696096.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn06.prod> LinkedIn ------------Joe Finetti requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: ------------------------------------------ Theo, I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. - Joe Accept invitation from Joe Finetti http://www.linkedin.com/e/ugqUQvVubm-FYOBGlRvnCCTRQrNvkTntLw/blk/I1873452947_2/1BpC5vrmRLoRZcjkkZt5YCpnlOt3RApnhMpmdzgmhxrSNBszYOnPsQej8Rd3cTe359bQdxmz0JgTt1bPkRczcQcjcPcj4LrCBxbOYWrSlI/EML_comm_afe/ View invitation from Joe Finetti http://www.linkedin.com/e/ugqUQvVubm-FYOBGlRvnCCTRQrNvkTntLw/blk/I1873452947_2/39vdPgVczkQcPsUckALqnpPbOYWrSlI/svi/ ------ (c) 2010, LinkedIn Corporation From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Tue Mar 9 12:48:34 2010 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo)) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 13:48:34 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Oil pump shafts Message-ID: <1CA3EB8D03A24EA8898059820C941E52@jerry> List: As some of you remember, awhile back we had a discussion about oil pump pressures, volumes and shafts. In this regard, a friend of mine started up his newly-overhauled small block Ford engine and was smart enough to pay close attention to the oil pressure when he first started up. Shortly thereafter (a few seconds I guess), the oil pressure went to zero. He, of course, shut off the engine, thereby saving it. He asked me if he could borrow my distributor shaft that I have modified to do pre-oiling, so he could see if he was able to get some oil pressure. Well, when he turned the oil pump shaft, it had no resistance whatsoever. He had to drop the pan and found the pump was stuck. Apparently, it had picked up some "trash" out of the pan, which stuck in the tip recess of one of the vanes in the pump. It was small enough that he didn't actually see it, but it doesn't take much to lock up the rotor, to snap the shaft, and to ruin an expensive overhaul. The lesson is to be VERY particular about cleanliness. Always pre-oil an engine before first startup. I'm not very computer savvy, so I don't know how to post a picture on this site. But if anyone wants to see how a pump shaft twisted up before it snapped, e-mail me personally (JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net), and I will be happy to send you a picture of it. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 From mark.rense at ge.com Tue Mar 9 13:12:20 2010 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 15:12:20 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Modern Paint Code Message-ID: Hi All, I am in the process of stripping down B382000991 for painting and I would like to know if anyone has a modern paint code for #92 Arctic White? I have a Ditzler number (8001) and a Berger number (404.2162) but those are not current and I have searched for proper cross-reference to no avail. I hauled the hood (bonnet) to the auto paint store so they could color match the little swatch hidden by the hinge plates, and the color they came up with does not compute with the above reference numbers. Thanks, Bugz From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tue Mar 9 13:20:03 2010 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 20:20:03 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Rear window hard top trim........... Message-ID: <20100309202003.O29AA.214507.root@hrndva-web27-z02> I hate to do it, I am in NEED of rear window trim for my hardtop. I plan on finishing its restoration and sporting it this year for car shows. Do any of you have a spare set? No laughing please. Thanks! Duke B382002037 From m_dangelo at verizon.net Tue Mar 9 17:46:11 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:46:11 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Mark 2 Grill In-Reply-To: <1CA3EB8D03A24EA8898059820C941E52@jerry> Message-ID: Hi all. I am wondering if anyone out there might have a Mark 2 grill they would part with. Since I'm putting a Mark 2 engine and transmission into my car, I just thought it might be cool to have a single "subtle" visual cue that says there is something different about it. I plan to never sell my car and this would be done just for kicks, by the way. Anyone have one? Please let me know. Thanks. Mauro From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Mar 9 17:56:43 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:56:43 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Mark 2 Grill In-Reply-To: References: <1CA3EB8D03A24EA8898059820C941E52@jerry> Message-ID: Some people in the Uk did repros.. not exact.. and i think some CAT members had them too.. as for a cluw to having a MKII engine.. really dont see the point.. a MKII 289 is not realy a rare thing.. why not go MKII headlight rims.. or MKII interior? just kidding.. but seriously.. apart froma change in displacement.. there is nothing to shout about. On 10 March 2010 11:46, MAURO D'ANGELO wrote: > Hi all. I am wondering if anyone out there might have a Mark 2 grill they > would part with. Since I'm putting a Mark 2 engine and transmission into > my car, I just thought it might be cool to have a single "subtle" visual > cue > that says there is something different about it. I plan to never sell my > car and this would be done just for kicks, by the way. Anyone have one? > Please let me know. Thanks. Mauro > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From jteepen at usatoday.com Tue Mar 9 17:57:05 2010 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 19:57:05 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Mark 2 Grill In-Reply-To: References: <1CA3EB8D03A24EA8898059820C941E52@jerry> Message-ID: I believe that Brian Wecklich (CA) was/is selling a decent reproduction of the egg crate portion of the Mk II grill at the last couple CAT swap meets. According to an old CAT roster his e-mail is: bwecklich at hotmail.com -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 4:46 PM To: TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET Subject: [Tigers] Mark 2 Grill Hi all. I am wondering if anyone out there might have a Mark 2 grill they would part with. Since I'm putting a Mark 2 engine and transmission into my car, I just thought it might be cool to have a single "subtle" visual cue that says there is something different about it. I plan to never sell my car and this would be done just for kicks, by the way. Anyone have one? Please let me know. Thanks. Mauro From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Mar 9 22:18:21 2010 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 21:18:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Oil pump shafts In-Reply-To: <1CA3EB8D03A24EA8898059820C941E52@jerry> References: <1CA3EB8D03A24EA8898059820C941E52@jerry> Message-ID: <912199.94439.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, clean is VERY important. Here is a link what happens when the pump gets scored due to metal injestion and the shaft twists apart - http://www.adamcarolla.com/CarCastBlog/2010/02/06/the-ripper-engine-removal/ You can see pics of the pump and related parts. The pump shaft in this case did not twist, but sheared the hex tang off. Lots of other bad stuff came for free with that... Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Jerry & Maureen (Mo) To: TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 11:48:34 AM Subject: [Tigers] Oil pump shafts List: As some of you remember, awhile back we had a discussion about oil pump pressures, volumes and shafts. In this regard, a friend of mine started up his newly-overhauled small block Ford engine and was smart enough to pay close attention to the oil pressure when he first started up. Shortly thereafter (a few seconds I guess), the oil pressure went to zero. He, of course, shut off the engine, thereby saving it. He asked me if he could borrow my distributor shaft that I have modified to do pre-oiling, so he could see if he was able to get some oil pressure. Well, when he turned the oil pump shaft, it had no resistance whatsoever. He had to drop the pan and found the pump was stuck. Apparently, it had picked up some "trash" out of the pan, which stuck in the tip recess of one of the vanes in the pump. It was small enough that he didn't actually see it, but it doesn't take much to lock up the rotor, to snap the shaft, and to ruin an expensive overhaul. The lesson is to be VERY particular about cleanliness. Always pre-oil an engine before first startup. I'm not very computer savvy, so I don't know how to post a picture on this site. But if anyone wants to see how a pump shaft twisted up before it snapped, e-mail me personally (JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net), and I will be happy to send you a picture of it. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz at pacbell.net From rande at thecia.net Wed Mar 10 07:31:08 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:31:08 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Mk 2 grille Message-ID: <4b97ad2c.4d26.0@thecia.net> Hi, First, I think you've already gotten good advice from others about differentiating your car from other Tigers. In the end, it's you who is the only one you need to please. Keep in mind that when they appear on eBay occasionally, the grille alone, without the special upper moulding, commands around $1200 and up. Maybe if you haven't already, you could superimpose or photoshop a picture of your actual car with a Mark 2 grille, and see what you think. And if you do go ahead with it, keep the old grille parts, in the event that you want to switch back to the original look. From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Mar 10 10:51:11 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:51:11 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Mark 2 Grill References: Message-ID: Mauro, I understand your concept, but you might want to think it through. As was already suggested you might use Photoshop to get an idea of what it will look like. In the end we are all left to decide what to do with our own cars. However, in the Tiger community there is a rightful marquee protection mentality. I'm sure at this point you are already aware of the Tiger/Alger issues. The possibility exists that some may see a Mark I car with a Mark II grill as a "want to be." Part of the mystique of the Tiger is the initial perception (to the unknowing) that it is just another 4 cylinder British sports car. The "wow" factor is when the key is turned and the V8 rumbles to life. In that sense the Tiger has a certain persona by not eluding to what lies under the hood. Lastly, and please take this just as my opinion, I think the Tiger body lines lend themselves more towards the Mark I features. I say that with all respect to the Mark II improvements and rarity. The lowered side trim, headlight rings and grill were changes that seem implemented simply for the sake of change. OK Mark II guys go easy on me. If I could afford one I'd own it in a heart beat and leave it just the way it was made. Frankly though I think the tail fins from the earlier Alpines look better than the '58 Rambler American look of all Tiger backsides (though I do think the fins could be toned down slightly). Again, just opinions. Tom From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Mar 10 10:53:09 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:53:09 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Modern Paint Code In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2031AC8232CD4EA6936AB2B2627383FF@ronpc1> Bugz I believe somewhere there is a cross reference but I have not found it online. I don't think any of these numbers will help you either but here they are; Lucite Lacquer - 8425L Dulux enamel - 97819 Chrysler part # - 75242862 ICI # - 4546 Your best bet is to call Dale's Restoration Shop and ask what they use for the paint mix code. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:12 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Modern Paint Code Hi All, I am in the process of stripping down B382000991 for painting and I would like to know if anyone has a modern paint code for #92 Arctic White? I have a Ditzler number (8001) and a Berger number (404.2162) but those are not current and I have searched for proper cross-reference to no avail. I hauled the hood (bonnet) to the auto paint store so they could color match the little swatch hidden by the hinge plates, and the color they came up with does not compute with the above reference numbers. Thanks, Bugz _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2730 - Release Date: 03/09/10 07:33:00 From m_dangelo at verizon.net Wed Mar 10 11:24:43 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (m_dangelo at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:24:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Tigers] Mark 2 Grill Message-ID: <1852090917.323637.1268245483373.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net> From John.Dillman at PUBLICANS.com Wed Mar 10 11:36:53 2010 From: John.Dillman at PUBLICANS.com (John Dillman) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:36:53 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Modern Paint Code Message-ID: For modern paint codes, have your supplier call the paint mfr. A few years ago I was painting my '56 Vette, and needed the Venetian red. My Dupont distributor called Dupont, and asked the rather elderly lady on the other end of the line for that code . . . No sooner was the question asked than she shot back a code. Had to have been from memory. And it was perfect . . . Granted, as unpopular colors go, that was probably pretty popular, so yours may take a little longer, but I bet they can help you. John Dillman From m_dangelo at verizon.net Wed Mar 10 11:41:46 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (m_dangelo at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:41:46 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Tigers] Mark 2 Grill Message-ID: <985551365.324550.1268246506558.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net> From daniel.doornbos at intel.com Wed Mar 10 12:34:49 2010 From: daniel.doornbos at intel.com (Doornbos, Daniel) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:34:49 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Egg Crate Grille Message-ID: <4DC1D5C24579344988EB9E78C0BE581B60F35417E8@rrsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> I think they are pretty stylish and an easy mod that can be un-done down the road. Make one... http://www.kitcarmag.com/techarticles/0801kc_hot_to_make_an_egg_crate_grille/ index.html Or buy one and modify it to fit, lots of different stuff on the web. http://www.usspeed.com/SBV/Chrysler-300-300C-Grilles/Chrysler-300-300C-Chrome -Grille-Overlay;jsessionid=0a0110501f4359cf394b7fec42e69325bc2f77677c60.e3eSc 3aPaxmLe34Pa38Ta38Mbxz0 From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 10 13:26:25 2010 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:26:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Grille Me Message-ID: <460868.89671.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> How about adding some louvers and a hood scoop to make the car look different than a run of the mill MK I Tiger. I always thought the MK I Tiger should have had the egg crate grille to begin with (along with the stainless steel side trim) to make it different from the Alpine when viewed from the front. IMHO, Rootes messed up the styling with the MK II. I don't think the stripes or moving the side trim around the wheel wells improved the profile of the car. Jeff From mai65tai at sonic.net Wed Mar 10 13:42:54 2010 From: mai65tai at sonic.net (John Stithem) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:42:54 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] TU Update Message-ID: <000601cac092$426c1c20$c7445460$@net> Please note: Here are some corrections and clarifications to the TU XXXII Registration Form. 1. There has been some concern over the $50.00 fee for trailer parking at the TU hotel site. Please remember the old saying---"Don't shoot the messenger"---I am only the messenger for this problem as I did not pick the TU hotel. I completely understand everyone's concern. Please be reassured that everyone bringing a trailer WILL have a place to park it at no cost. The only reason I mentioned the cost on the registration form is-If we have people that INSIST on parking their trailer at the hotel and they are NOT one of the few that has a space reserved, you will need to pay the daily fee. I will secure off-site parking for trailers that will be close to the Hotel and will not cost anything. 2. The zip code for the address where you send the registration form and fee is wrong. Please send to: Cliff & Nancy Alexander 3314 Anita Court Napa, CA 94558 Make checks payable to: Tigers United XXXII If you have sent in your registration already, you will receive a confirmation. If you do not receive confirmation, please contact Cliff/Nancy Alexander at 707/255-5345 or mk1a67 at gmail.com 3. Please disregard the extra charge for Autocross. This has caused some confusion. Originally, this was included in the registration for people that had not registered for Tigers United. We will not allow anyone not registered to participate in the autocross. We will not have enough time or space for anyone not registered for the entire event, to autocross. Everyone that is registered for Tigers United will be allowed to autocross if they chose to do so. If there are any other questions or concern, send them my way. John Stithem Mai65tai at sonic.net From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 10 19:22:08 2010 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:22:08 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Mark 2 Grill In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, and I just love the Series 3 grill over the Mark 1 grill. Ross 2010 9:51 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mark 2 Grill Mauro, I understand your concept, but you might want to think it through. As was already suggested you might use Photoshop to get an idea of what it will look like. In the end we are all left to decide what to do with our own cars. However, in the Tiger community there is a rightful marquee protection mentality. I'm sure at this point you are already aware of the Tiger/Alger issues. The possibility exists that some may see a Mark I car with a Mark II grill as a "want to be." Part of the mystique of the Tiger is the initial perception (to the unknowing) that it is just another 4 cylinder British sports car. The "wow" factor is when the key is turned and the V8 rumbles to life. In that sense the Tiger has a certain persona by not eluding to what lies under the hood. Lastly, and please take this just as my opinion, I think the Tiger body lines lend themselves more towards the Mark I features. I say that with all respect to the Mark II improvements and rarity. The lowered side trim, headlight rings and grill were changes that seem implemented simply for the sake of change. OK Mark II guys go easy on me. If I could afford one I'd own it in a heart beat and leave it just the way it was made. Frankly though I think the tail fins from the earlier Alpines look better than the '58 Rambler American look of all Tiger backsides (though I do think the fins could be toned down slightly). Again, just opinions. Tom From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Wed Mar 10 19:38:06 2010 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:38:06 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Rear Window hard top trim found! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000e01cac0c3$e1adf430$a509dc90$@rr.com> Due to a quick tip from a fellow board member, I just purchased the trim. Got a complete set for $240 shipped out of England. Thanks so much for the tips and info. Duke B382002037 From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 11 00:06:02 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:06:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Modern Paint Code In-Reply-To: <2031AC8232CD4EA6936AB2B2627383FF@ronpc1> Message-ID: <349643.4975.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> One of our local parts stores has a computerized WHAUCALLIT and they set it on a section of the car you want to match and it mixes the paint to match that swatch etc. I havent tried it but I have been told it worksmwell. TtT --- On Wed, 3/10/10, Ron Fraser wrote: From: Ron Fraser Subject: Re: [Tigers] Modern Paint Code To: "'Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)'" , tigers at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, March 10, 2010, 11:53 AM Bugz I believe somewhere there is a cross reference but I have not found it online. I don't think any of these numbers will help you either but here they are; Lucite Lacquer - 8425L Dulux enamel - 97819 Chrysler part # - 75242862 ICI # - 4546 Your best bet is to call Dale's Restoration Shop and ask what they use for the paint mix code. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:12 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Modern Paint Code Hi All, I am in the process of stripping down B382000991 for painting and I would like to know if anyone has a modern paint code for #92 Arctic White? I have a Ditzler number (8001) and a Berger number (404.2162) but those are not current and I have searched for proper cross-reference to no avail. I hauled the hood (bonnet) to the auto paint store so they could color match the little swatch hidden by the hinge plates, and the color they came up with does not compute with the above reference numbers. Thanks, Bugz _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2730 - Release Date: 03/09/10 07:33:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From todbrown at roadrunner.com Thu Mar 11 07:08:51 2010 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:08:51 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] [Fwd: Postcard update] Message-ID: <4B98F973.3070202@roadrunner.com> After I had sent the first message from Park, I received the attached, which solves our problem. I do think, and had planned that, a significant donation should be made to OHTM when all is said and done. Coincidentally, I took my grandson out to OHTM yesterday and had a chance to talk to Park while I was there. He told me they were going to eat the postage, so I thanked him. Cheers, Tod X-Account-Key: account4 X-MSK: CML=0.501000 Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-mxlb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.255.82]) by cdptpa-imta05.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20100310202427969.KZPJ1563 at cdptpa-imta05.mail.rr.com> for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:24:27 +0000 Return-Path: X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-RR-Connecting-IP: 69.39.117.114 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=KaCO-On8AAAA:8 a=1PS-_5vVtGd7j5GGKOwA:9 a=TU2yvQ3hCO2m8xuigkMA:7 a=m5F6vvhNQCbtWpDfle3kcs6o07QA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=6ITc_O5IyI8A:10 a=u6NhUQopeyAA:10 a=BuwAYlr-fpaS7u4kT18A:9 a=ZgU_5hL6O_DKpPiH9dkA:7 a=Rx4YtddPFjRxvwRrrG4xHCVr7OMA:4 Received: from [69.39.117.114] ([69.39.117.114:5270] helo=ohtm.org) by cdptpa-iedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id DE/8F-23458-57FF79B4; Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:22:13 +0000 Received: from 192.168.10.109 ([192.168.10.109]) by otto.OwlsHead.local ([192.168.10.5]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:22:10 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.24.0.100205 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:18:13 -0500 Subject: Postcard update From: Park Morrison To: Tod Brown Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Postcard update Thread-Index: AcrAjs9XY3NrqoUHT565YqF4GI7wFw== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Hi Tod We9ve decided to go ahead and use envelope and include your postcard in the mailing. There is no obligation, but if TigersEast would like to make a donation toward the additional postage ($230), we would be most appreciative. It will be in mail beginning next week. Thanks. Park Park M. Morrison Public Relations Director Owls Head Transportation Museum 207-594-4418 www.owlshead.org From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Mar 11 07:20:57 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:20:57 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Modern Paint Code In-Reply-To: <349643.4975.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <07A9F462A2DB4BBE835FE087303D4018@ronpc1> Tony Yes those paint scanners work very well and most major paint shops have them but you need a non faded patch of original paint for it to scan. The paint patch you scan will be the paint mix you get. Scan a faded or contaminated patch will give you a paint mix for that shade not the original paint mix. The problem Bugz had, I believe, was the scan did not give a paint mix that looked similar to the Ditzler number paint mix and he was seeking more information. He thinks the Dulux enamel number I sent him is something he can work with to get the correct paint mix or at least a paint mix that matches the color he wants. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Tony Somebody [mailto:achd73 at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:06 AM To: Mark (GE Indust ConsInd)''Rense; tigers at autox.team.net; rfraser at bluefrog.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Modern Paint Code One of our local parts stores has a computerized WHAUCALLIT and they set it on a section of the car you want to match and it mixes the paint to match that swatch etc. I havent tried it but I have been told it worksmwell. TtT From mark.rense at ge.com Thu Mar 11 09:04:46 2010 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:04:46 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Modern Paint Code In-Reply-To: <07A9F462A2DB4BBE835FE087303D4018@ronpc1> References: <349643.4975.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <07A9F462A2DB4BBE835FE087303D4018@ronpc1> Message-ID: Tony, What Ron said! I have spectrographically scanned several "untouched" areas of my car and gotten significantly different readings for the formulation, hence my desire to find a reference color to work with. I believe all of these areas have oxidized and yellowed a bit through the years, and the variation depended on the location on the car and proximity to engine heat and/or moisture. Or I could add $5 grand to the value of the car by just painting it "Can't-Catch-Me-Copper" Porsche Guardsman Red! Bugz ________________________________ From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 9:21 AM To: 'Tony Somebody'; Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd); tigers at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Modern Paint Code Tony Yes those paint scanners work very well and most major paint shops have them but you need a non faded patch of original paint for it to scan. The paint patch you scan will be the paint mix you get. Scan a faded or contaminated patch will give you a paint mix for that shade not the original paint mix. The problem Bugz had, I believe, was the scan did not give a paint mix that looked similar to the Ditzler number paint mix and he was seeking more information. He thinks the Dulux enamel number I sent him is something he can work with to get the correct paint mix or at least a paint mix that matches the color he wants. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Tony Somebody [mailto:achd73 at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:06 AM To: Mark (GE Indust ConsInd)''Rense; tigers at autox.team.net; rfraser at bluefrog.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Modern Paint Code One of our local parts stores has a computerized WHAUCALLIT and they set it on a section of the car you want to match and it mixes the paint to match that swatch etc. I havent tried it but I have been told it worksmwell. TtT From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 11 09:19:28 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:19:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Modern Paint Code In-Reply-To: <07A9F462A2DB4BBE835FE087303D4018@ronpc1> Message-ID: <375854.11992.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Ron and Group- I was/am aware you need a place the paint is the color you want to match. And after 35 or so years that might be a hard place to locate. I thought Bugz mentioned he had a place uinder a hood hinge that was orginal. How well it is preserved or after waxing, cleaning etc it is to orginal would be the only chance the scanner would have of matching his orginal paint and of course if it isnt close to what it was new, he wont get that paint. Not knowing how good this spot of orginal was or is, I just posted my thoughts in case it might help. . Perhaps a paint company, like Dupont UK would have better records and again, thats just a thought as I have no ifea if Dupont furnished paint to Rootes but it seems that the information from the country of orgin would be easier to locate- If- that company still exists. Good luck Bugz, I doubt Ive helped but Ive tried. On a side note it was 74 degrees here in southern IL. yesterday. the Dairy Queen was selling lots of ice cream- much to people with their tops down. Winter is almost over here, even if its going to be 45 tomorrow. In 3 weeks it will be time to rely on the soft top and clean and wax the hardtop well prior to summer storage.I feel bvad for the people in Dallas who got to see snow, eventho the number or wreckes wherebto to third power or more and its been so cold in Fla. my family members have had to run the furnance several nights. Im not sure how bad it was for you guys on the west coast but Im sure the AC will soon be on day and night. A safe day to all. TtT PS- I hope Rons info FIXES your paint problem Bugz. --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Ron Fraser wrote: From: Ron Fraser Subject: RE: [Tigers] Modern Paint Code To: "'Tony Somebody'" , "'Mark (GE Indust ConsInd)''Rense'" , tigers at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 8:20 AM Tony Yes those paint scanners work very well and most major paint shops have them but you need a non faded patch of original paint for it to scan. The paint patch you scan will be the paint mix you get. Scan a faded or contaminated patch will give you a paint mix for that shade not the original paint mix. The problem Bugz had, I believe, was the scan did not give a paint mix that looked similar to the Ditzler number paint mix and he was seeking more information. He thinks the Dulux enamel number I sent him is something he can work with to get the correct paint mix or at least a paint mix that matches the color he wants. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Tony Somebody [mailto:achd73 at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 2:06 AM To: Mark (GE Indust ConsInd)''Rense; tigers at autox.team.net; rfraser at bluefrog.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Modern Paint Code One of our local parts stores has a computerized WHAUCALLIT and they set it on a section of the car you want to match and it mixes the paint to match that swatch etc. I havent tried it but I have been told it worksmwell. TtT From m_dangelo at verizon.net Thu Mar 11 09:33:02 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (m_dangelo at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:33:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Tigers] Modern Paint Code Message-ID: <11052997.248419.1268325182849.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net> From jmartiniii at yahoo.com Thu Mar 11 11:02:29 2010 From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:02:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Correct Color Components Message-ID: <77385.52591.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MK 1 from ~B382000601 to end lists certain engine components as 'OLD FORD DARK BLUE' . Does anyone have the brand and paint code number for this in spray cans? Also, does anyone have a car painted with paint code 76 - Balmoral Gray or 130 Gunmetal (Metallic) that they could share some pictures and the PPG paint code. Thanks martjr From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Mar 11 12:35:48 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:35:48 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Correct Color Components In-Reply-To: <77385.52591.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <53C22FAD38C840649A7DEBAF9352A2BA@ronpc1> Joel The color of the engine is dependent on when the engine was built more than the Vin number. Ford painted all the 260 engines satin black until the 1966 model year, Aug 1965. The engine was painted Old Ford Blue from then on. If you have the engine ID tag it will have 66 on it, indicating 1966 model year. The Mustang catalogs indicate Duplicolor DE 1606 is the correct color but I have seen mention DE 1621. I do not have either of these colors on hand so I yield to those who do know. Here are the color codes and numbers for those paint codes. 76 Balmoral Gray Ditzler # - 32392 Dulux enamel - 97121 Chrysler p/n - 75242850 Berger code - 404.1957 ICI - 2195 130 Gunmetal Metallic Ditzler # - 32712 Chrysler p/n - 75242896 Berger code - 404.3504 ICI - 3141M Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 1:02 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Correct Color Components MK 1 from ~B382000601 to end lists certain engine components as 'OLD FORD DARK BLUE' . Does anyone have the brand and paint code number for this in spray cans? Also, does anyone have a car painted with paint code 76 - Balmoral Gray or 130 Gunmetal (Metallic) that they could share some pictures and the PPG paint code. Thanks martjr _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2734 - Release Date: 03/11/10 07:33:00 From John.Dillman at PUBLICANS.com Thu Mar 11 13:04:56 2010 From: John.Dillman at PUBLICANS.com (John Dillman) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:04:56 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Modern Paint Code Message-ID: I replied to this the other day, suggesting a call to your jobber's tech line. Another thought might be the folks at http://www.autocolorlibrary.com/. They seem to have pretty good coverage, although Sunbeam isn't listed. Might be worth a call. The chip info is nice to see, too. No affiliation, just a satisfied window shopper . . . John Dillman From rande at thecia.net Thu Mar 11 13:21:06 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:21:06 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] color codes Message-ID: <4b9950b2.5556.0@thecia.net> I think Terry Taylor in the bay area has a historic Tiger that's Balmoral Gray. His email is ttger at msn.com. You can also reach his son at mtaylor at ea.com (Matthew), and ask for pictures. Better yet, come out to the STOA sponsored United in Santa Rosa in June and see the car in person. The engine paint is easy. Go to MustangsUnlimited.com or cal-mustang.com and search 'paint'. Both companies sell it in aerosol spray. rb From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Mar 11 14:14:07 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:14:07 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Modern Paint Code In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <98A30E065F9E4F50823E0CA3282A5091@ronpc1> John Some of the Rootes paint codes are listed under the 2nd Chrysler import listing and 1968. I believe there are some Rootes paint codes listed under Simca also but it has been awhile since I searched through that site. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Dillman Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:05 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Modern Paint Code I replied to this the other day, suggesting a call to your jobber's tech line. Another thought might be the folks at http://www.autocolorlibrary.com/. They seem to have pretty good coverage, although Sunbeam isn't listed. Might be worth a call. The chip info is nice to see, too. No affiliation, just a satisfied window shopper . . . John Dillman _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2734 - Release Date: 03/11/10 07:33:00 From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Mar 11 14:51:47 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 08:51:47 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Correct Color Components In-Reply-To: <77385.52591.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <77385.52591.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: John Boggis in the UK has a auto SIVGT Alpine unrestored in balmoral grey: http://www.sunbeam-alpine.com Tiger people would do well by looking at this car.. On 12 March 2010 05:02, Joel Martin wrote: > MK 1 from ~B382000601 to end lists certain engine components as 'OLD FORD > DARK > BLUE' . Does anyone have the brand and paint code number for this in spray > cans? > > Also, does anyone have a car painted with paint code 76 - Balmoral Gray > or 130 Gunmetal (Metallic) that they could share some pictures and the PPG > paint code. > > Thanks > martjr > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From m_dangelo at verizon.net Thu Mar 11 17:34:00 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:34:00 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Modern Paint Code In-Reply-To: <98A30E065F9E4F50823E0CA3282A5091@ronpc1> Message-ID: Hi again all. So, no one has ever repainted a Mediterranean blue Tiger or Alpine in modern times? I hope someone has some idea of a modern paint code for 100. Thanks. On 3/11/10 4:14 PM, "Ron Fraser" wrote: > John > Some of the Rootes paint codes are listed under the 2nd Chrysler > import listing and 1968. > > I believe there are some Rootes paint codes listed under Simca also but it > has been awhile since I searched through that site. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of John Dillman > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:05 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Modern Paint Code > > > I replied to this the other day, suggesting a call to your jobber's tech > line. Another thought might be the folks at > http://www.autocolorlibrary.com/. They seem to have pretty good > coverage, although Sunbeam isn't listed. Might be worth a call. The > chip info is nice to see, too. No affiliation, just a satisfied window > shopper . . . > > > > John Dillman > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2734 - Release Date: 03/11/10 > 07:33:00 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/m_dangelo at verizon.net From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Thu Mar 11 18:15:11 2010 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:15:11 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Modern Paint Code In-Reply-To: References: <98A30E065F9E4F50823E0CA3282A5091@ronpc1>, Message-ID: Mario,Visit the forum on "www.sunbeamalpine.org" and contact "jumpinjan" He sells CDs that have been painted the correct Rootes colors from his master collection of paint chips. There is enough area on them for your paint shop to take some readings and mix some color. If I recall correctly JumpinJan said there are no valid modern paint codes out there or something to that effect. Our discussion was 4-5 years ago so don't quote me on that. I bought Polar and Arctic white from him...for my Arctic White Tiger. I thought the discs were semi-expensive...but if correctness is your guide...than money should not be an issue. I am going with a 1968 Chrysler White...beauty/correctness is in the eye of the beholder...and the odds of me parking my car next to another Arctic White Sunbeam is slim to none. Hope this helps,Paul > > Hi again all. So, no one has ever repainted a Mediterranean blue Tiger or > Alpine in modern times? I hope someone has some idea of a modern paint code > for 100. Thanks. > > > > > John > > Some of the Rootes paint codes are listed under the 2nd Chrysler > > import listing and 1968. > > > > I believe there are some Rootes paint codes listed under Simca also but it > > has been awhile since I searched through that site. > > > > Ron Fraser > > > > > > > > I replied to this the other day, suggesting a call to your jobber's tech > > line. Another thought might be the folks at > > http://www.autocolorlibrary.com/. They seem to have pretty good > > coverage, although Sunbeam isn't listed. Might be worth a call. The > > chip info is nice to see, too. No affiliation, just a satisfied window > > shopper . . . > > > > > > > > John Dillman > _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ From jteepen at usatoday.com Thu Mar 11 18:40:20 2010 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 20:40:20 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Modern Paint Code In-Reply-To: References: <98A30E065F9E4F50823E0CA3282A5091@ronpc1> Message-ID: Try calling Doug Jennings in Dayton, Ohio at 937-252-3317. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:34 PM To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; 'John Dillman'; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Modern Paint Code Hi again all. So, no one has ever repainted a Mediterranean blue Tiger or Alpine in modern times? I hope someone has some idea of a modern paint code for 100. Thanks. On 3/11/10 4:14 PM, "Ron Fraser" wrote: > John > Some of the Rootes paint codes are listed under the 2nd Chrysler > import listing and 1968. > > I believe there are some Rootes paint codes listed under Simca also but it > has been awhile since I searched through that site. > > Ron Fraser From garywinblad at comcast.net Thu Mar 11 19:36:25 2010 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:36:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Modern Paint Code In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1217667929.13985031268361385612.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I'd contact Paul Reisentz, see: http://www.reisentzrestorations.com/ I know he has restored award winning Med Blue cars before. He keeps a collection of hood/latch/heater core covers which underneath is totally unmolested original paint in all the original colors. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Jere Teepen To: MAURO D'ANGELO , rfraser at bluefrog.com, 'John Dillman' , tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:40:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Modern Paint Code Try calling Doug Jennings in Dayton, Ohio at 937-252-3317. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:34 PM To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; 'John Dillman'; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Modern Paint Code Hi again all. So, no one has ever repainted a Mediterranean blue Tiger or Alpine in modern times? I hope someone has some idea of a modern paint code for 100. Thanks. On 3/11/10 4:14 PM, "Ron Fraser" wrote: > John > Some of the Rootes paint codes are listed under the 2nd Chrysler > import listing and 1968. > > I believe there are some Rootes paint codes listed under Simca also but it > has been awhile since I searched through that site. > > Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net From motoys2001 at comcast.net Sat Mar 13 15:54:51 2010 From: motoys2001 at comcast.net (motoys2001 at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 22:54:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Pink Sunbeam In-Reply-To: <1217667929.13985031268361385612.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1866471773.13660001268520891258.JavaMail.root@sz0153a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> CAn you find the pink Sunbeam in this picture? http://www.sunflowercelebs.com/display.php?iid=100306 From Rollright at aol.com Sun Mar 14 13:01:14 2010 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 16:01:14 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Hard top leading edge rubber Message-ID: <16658.34533908.38ce9a8a@aol.com> Hello, I really need some help, please. (please!) Yesterday, Gary and I spent at least an hour and a half trying to install the rubber strip that attaches to the leading edge of the hardtop, and buffers between the hardtop leading edge and the windshield frame. It was purchased from Sunbeam Specialties and came with no installation instructions. This long rubber strip both slides/fits over the leading edge of the hardtop, and has, as an additional fixing device, a strip (male) that fits into a channel that is riveted just inside of the leading edge of the hardtop (on the underside). Sort of tongue in groove. Tongue on the rubber strip, groove just on the inside of the hardtop. The problem: We can't seem to get the rubber fixed firmly into the riveted slot/channel. We tried sliding it in from either side, using first water, then waterless hand soap. It was plenty lubed. Sliding starts ok, then as you attempt to slide past the corner bend, and out it comes. Again and again and again. And we tried placing the rubber along the length and pushing the trailing edge of the rubber into the groove with a screw driver. Problem is, you can't see the front of the channel and just doesn't work into place and stay. There must be others that have faced this issue and solved it. Can you please help? We are at wit's end... Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE From dave at munroe.ca Sun Mar 14 14:37:46 2010 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:37:46 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Hard top leading edge rubber In-Reply-To: <16658.34533908.38ce9a8a@aol.com> References: <16658.34533908.38ce9a8a@aol.com> Message-ID: <5BE86C75249B4E2CB680BB2F26EE19D2@DavePC> Hi Jim; This sounds identical to the channel receptacle and rubber strip on the soft top. Lat fall when I was in Maine with some of your fellow New Englanders, one of them pointed out that I had an unusual rubber strip in that location. It did look different from all of the other Tigers present. When I returned home, I ordered a new rubber strip from SS, and when it arrived it was clear that I had the right strip, but the P.O. had installed the one in my car backwards. (!) I would never suggest you were trying to install yours backwards, but wanted you to know that a determined owner could actually install one of these confounded strips in reverse, so it might be a matter of perseverance. I got mine in after going through all the steps you described, by finally laying the rubber along the full length of the receptacle strip, and starting from the centre, putting the top of the rubber in the groove first, and using a dull scraper to feed the bottom of the rubber in the channel. I worked it along, using masking tape to hold my work in as I progressed. When I reached the ends, I used a dab of silicone to hold them there, and closed the top onto the windshield over night. The next day, I lifted the top and removed the masking tape. Its been there now all winter, up and down many times as I wrestle with the windshield to door frame gap. Sometimes these jobs are very satisfying indeed! Its definitely a 12 beer job. Dave Best of luck with yours. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:01 PM Subject: [Tigers] Hard top leading edge rubber > Hello, > > I really need some help, please. (please!) > > Yesterday, Gary and I spent at least an hour and a half trying to > install > the rubber strip that attaches to the leading edge of the hardtop, and > buffers between the hardtop leading edge and the windshield frame. It was > purchased from Sunbeam Specialties and came with no installation > instructions. > > This long rubber strip both slides/fits over the leading edge of the > hardtop, and has, as an additional fixing device, a strip (male) that fits > into > a channel that is riveted just inside of the leading edge of the hardtop > (on the underside). Sort of tongue in groove. Tongue on the rubber strip, > groove just on the inside of the hardtop. > > The problem: We can't seem to get the rubber fixed firmly into the riveted > slot/channel. > > We tried sliding it in from either side, using first water, then waterless > hand soap. It was plenty lubed. Sliding starts ok, then as you attempt to > slide past the corner bend, and out it comes. Again and again and again. > > And we tried placing the rubber along the length and pushing the trailing > edge of the rubber into the groove with a screw driver. Problem is, you > can't see the front of the channel and just doesn't work into place and > stay. > > There must be others that have faced this issue and solved it. Can you > please help? We are at wit's end... > > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave at munroe.ca From m_dangelo at verizon.net Sun Mar 14 15:07:29 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:07:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hard top leading edge rubber In-Reply-To: <16658.34533908.38ce9a8a@aol.com> Message-ID: I had the same issues on both my hard and soft tops. The soft top's rubber was much softer than the hard top's, just as a point of interest. I finally, after the ground hog day experience (again, and again, and again) got mine in on my hard top -- only to find that I had installed it backwards. Aaarrrggghhh. So out it came and more wrestling. As it turns out, I did the same thing Dave did. That is, I put the inside lip of the rubber in its respective groove about six inches at a time, then with a slot head screwdriver, shoehorned the outside edge in. Then I did the same thing for the next six inches, and so on and so on, until I reached the other end. Rather than using adhesive on the ends, I just crimped the ends of the slot down. It's pretty soft metal. I just did my soft top today and it took me less than 20 minutes (maybe because the rubber was softer it was easier. Anyway, once you get into the groove (pun intended) it gets easier. Take your time and try not to let frustration get to you. Cheers. Mauro On 3/14/10 4:01 PM, "Rollright at aol.com" wrote: > Hello, > > I really need some help, please. (please!) > > Yesterday, Gary and I spent at least an hour and a half trying to install > the rubber strip that attaches to the leading edge of the hardtop, and > buffers between the hardtop leading edge and the windshield frame. It was > purchased from Sunbeam Specialties and came with no installation > instructions. > > This long rubber strip both slides/fits over the leading edge of the > hardtop, and has, as an additional fixing device, a strip (male) that fits > into > a channel that is riveted just inside of the leading edge of the hardtop > (on the underside). Sort of tongue in groove. Tongue on the rubber strip, > groove just on the inside of the hardtop. > > The problem: We can't seem to get the rubber fixed firmly into the riveted > slot/channel. > > We tried sliding it in from either side, using first water, then waterless > hand soap. It was plenty lubed. Sliding starts ok, then as you attempt to > slide past the corner bend, and out it comes. Again and again and again. > > And we tried placing the rubber along the length and pushing the trailing > edge of the rubber into the groove with a screw driver. Problem is, you > can't see the front of the channel and just doesn't work into place and stay. > > There must be others that have faced this issue and solved it. Can you > please help? We are at wit's end... > > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/m_dangelo at verizon.net From m_dangelo at verizon.net Sun Mar 14 15:13:40 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 18:13:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] How to attach soft top boot to body In-Reply-To: <5BE86C75249B4E2CB680BB2F26EE19D2@DavePC> Message-ID: Hello everybody. I am about to install my new soft top boot to my car. The old one was in tatters and I did not notice how what was left was actually attached to the body. I do remember that the boot was attached under the long roll. I see on the body that there are some sharp v-shaped teeth all along near the edge of the body. As usual, Sunbeam Specialties offers zero instructions with its parts. Anyone, please? Thanks! Mauro From fastsage at cox.net Sun Mar 14 16:03:22 2010 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 16:03:22 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Ford Trans Question Message-ID: <4B9D6B3A.4080004@cox.net> Hello Team: I have a fluid leak somewhere from the top of my transmission. I understand that there is a breather vent at the top of the transmission somewhere and if it's blocked it may be pressurizing the transmission, forcing fluid out. Does this makes sense and, where is that breather vent and what does it look like to see if it's blocked? Thanks! Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14550 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sun Mar 14 16:26:59 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:26:59 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Ford Trans Question In-Reply-To: <4B9D6B3A.4080004@cox.net> Message-ID: <7293F44A448A44C1903D10972457855E@ronpc1> Steve The breather is on the top cover; see first picture on link below. http://www.mustangtek.com/transmission/Transmissions.html The round bump in the top cover has a hole in the center. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Sage Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 7:03 PM To: 'Tiger Talk List Tiger' Subject: [Tigers] Ford Trans Question Hello Team: I have a fluid leak somewhere from the top of my transmission. I understand that there is a breather vent at the top of the transmission somewhere and if it's blocked it may be pressurizing the transmission, forcing fluid out. Does this makes sense and, where is that breather vent and what does it look like to see if it's blocked? Thanks! Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14550 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2743 - Release Date: 03/13/10 07:33:00 From fastsage at cox.net Sun Mar 14 17:50:52 2010 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 17:50:52 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Ford Trans Question In-Reply-To: <7293F44A448A44C1903D10972457855E@ronpc1> References: <7293F44A448A44C1903D10972457855E@ronpc1> Message-ID: <4B9D846C.4070407@cox.net> Hello Ron: Awesome! Thanks for the excellent information. Now I have to see if I can get to that with the transmission in the car. Steve On 3/14/2010 4:26 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Steve > The breather is on the top cover; see first picture on link below. > http://www.mustangtek.com/transmission/Transmissions.html > > The round bump in the top cover has a hole in the center. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Steve Sage > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 7:03 PM > To: 'Tiger Talk List Tiger' > Subject: [Tigers] Ford Trans Question > > > Hello Team: > I have a fluid leak somewhere from the top of my transmission. I > understand that there is a breather vent at the top of the transmission > somewhere and if it's blocked it may be pressurizing the transmission, > forcing fluid out. Does this makes sense and, where is that breather > vent and what does it look like to see if it's blocked? > > Thanks! > Steve Sage > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14550 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From atwittsend at verizon.net Sun Mar 14 20:27:08 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 20:27:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Ford Trans Question References: <4B9D6B3A.4080004@cox.net> Message-ID: <8D49E754715E49FF9F28BB6B2FDB4742@student2> Steve, As I recall you have a T-5, not a Toploader. Is that correct? In any case as Ron said the vent is still on the top. If I'm not mistaken you have the S-10 version??? Anyway, this is a Mustang link to a T-5 page. I believe the black circular piece near the top of the tailhousing is the vent (though I recall the one on my Turbo Coupe being white). http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://image.mustang50magazine.com/f/9234331/m5lp_0609_01_z%2Brebuilt_t5_transmission%2B.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.mustang50magazine.com/techarticles/m5lp_0609_rebuilt_t5_transmission/photo_01.html&usg=__e_LM-_DmwGAxq8ROC1tQYa-P7Hc=&h=640&w=480&sz=84&hl=en&start=7&itbs=1&tbnid=U0ya35aTkmfMZM:&tbnh=137&tbnw=103&prev=/images%3Fq%3DT-5%2Btransmission%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DG%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1 The vent, the top cover, the vent and the shift lever housing and boot can all be sources of leaks. There are also O rings that can leak See #36 in the diagram. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.hanlonmotorsports.com/t5-wc-lg.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.hanlonmotorsports.com/HanlonTIC.html&usg=__bTH7LNq6y3bEzkFwPV2mearjmxQ=&h=1275&w=1000&sz=54&hl=en&start=32&itbs=1&tbnid=agEJEP_TddzoHM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=118&prev=/images%3Fq%3DT-5%2Btransmission%2Bvent%26start%3D21%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D21%26tbs%3Disch:1 Tom From fastsage at cox.net Sun Mar 14 21:52:31 2010 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:52:31 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Ford Trans Question In-Reply-To: <8D49E754715E49FF9F28BB6B2FDB4742@student2> References: <4B9D6B3A.4080004@cox.net> <8D49E754715E49FF9F28BB6B2FDB4742@student2> Message-ID: <4B9DBD0F.8070701@cox.net> On 3/14/2010 8:27 PM, Thomas Witt wrote: > Steve, > As I recall you have a T-5, not a Toploader. I do have a 5 speed. Sorry about that! Thanks for the extra information and tips on what to look for. I'm going to see what I can see with the trans still in the car (probably not too much). Fortunately, it's a small drip on occasion and not enough to cause a noticeable drop in fluid level. Steve E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14550 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From achd73 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 14 23:12:24 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Insurance Message-ID: <588408.24135.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It seems I have found a large difference in insurance compaines locally here in southern IL. While one company(Country Compaines) has decent Tiger insurance, my other cars are high- another local comopany(name forgotten but what I would refer to as jobber insurance has good car insurance but the Tiger insutrance is high PLUS they told me a few years back the Tiger had gone up in value above a 56 Vette but whiklle I was told the car was worth 25k then, I read the policy to lrearn I only have 15k replacement insurance. Anyone have any reccomendations of insurance compaines. I seem to recall we have an owner who sells car insurance but any thoughts would be appreciated- on list or private- both is fine with em. Many regards to ALL our members- even the one who called me an asshole. Wait until you get to meet me in person. Cheers, TonytheTiger From gswaybright at yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 06:05:32 2010 From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Insurance In-Reply-To: <588408.24135.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <588408.24135.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <577997.82026.qm@web31403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I currently have my Tiger and Interceptor with with Heacock Classic, but would also look into Grundy or JC Taylor. ----- Original Message ---- From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Sent: Mon, March 15, 2010 1:12:24 AM Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Insurance It seems I have found a large difference in insurance compaines locally here in southern IL. While one company(Country Compaines) has decent Tiger insurance, my other cars are high- another local comopany(name forgotten but what I would refer to as jobber insurance has good car insurance but the Tiger insutrance is high PLUS they told me a few years back the Tiger had gone up in value above a 56 Vette but whiklle I was told the car was worth 25k then, I read the policy to lrearn I only have 15k replacement insurance. Anyone have any reccomendations of insurance compaines. I seem to recall we have an owner who sells car insurance but any thoughts would be appreciated- on list or private- both is fine with em. Many regards to ALL our members- even the one who called me an asshole. Wait until you get to meet me in person. Cheers, TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Mar 15 06:15:29 2010 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:15:29 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] How to attach soft top boot to body In-Reply-To: References: <5BE86C75249B4E2CB680BB2F26EE19D2@DavePC> Message-ID: <39a841b1003150615q7032e8a1g7d783c3dd1895272@mail.gmail.com> i attached mine under the padded roll using the existing screws. the vinyl bag has to be correctly attached to allow the soft top to fold all the way down for the 'boot' (why is it called that?) to fit over it. mine was attached to this same padded roll but it should go straight down and be clipped to the lip just in front of the shock covers. On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 10:13 PM, MAURO D'ANGELO wrote: > Hello everybody. I am about to install my new soft top boot to my car. > The > old one was in tatters and I did not notice how what was left was actually > attached to the body. I do remember that the boot was attached under the > long roll. I see on the body that there are some sharp v-shaped teeth all > along near the edge of the body. As usual, Sunbeam Specialties offers zero > instructions with its parts. Anyone, please? > > Thanks! > > Mauro > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com From mark.rense at ge.com Mon Mar 15 06:22:16 2010 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:22:16 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Insurance In-Reply-To: <588408.24135.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <588408.24135.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Tony, I've used Hagerty Insurance for all my collectable cars and bikes. Contact fellow Tiger owner John Engle (tigermaniac at sbcglobal.net), he is an agent for the company and is my agent of record. Bugz -----Original Message----- From: Tony Somebody Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 2:12 AM To: Beamclub Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Insurance It seems I have found a large difference in insurance compaines locally here in southern IL. While one company(Country Compaines) has decent Tiger insurance, my other cars are high- another local comopany(name forgotten but what I would refer to as jobber insurance has good car insurance but the Tiger insutrance is high PLUS they told me a few years back the Tiger had gone up in value above a 56 Vette but whiklle I was told the car was worth 25k then, I read the policy to lrearn I only have 15k replacement insurance. Anyone have any reccomendations of insurance compaines. I seem to recall we have an owner who sells car insurance but any thoughts would be appreciated- on list or private- both is fine with em. Many regards to ALL our members- even the one who called me an asshole. Wait until you get to meet me in person. Cheers, TonytheTiger From daniel.doornbos at intel.com Mon Mar 15 07:22:12 2010 From: daniel.doornbos at intel.com (Doornbos, Daniel) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:22:12 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] insurance Message-ID: <4DC1D5C24579344988EB9E78C0BE581B60F3541EFC@rrsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com> I just insured my recently acquired street rod with Grundy, http://www.grundy.com/default2.asp My regular agent does Farmers, is a friend and got me a very good price on homeowners and daily drivers. When I went to insure the street rod he was 2x Grundy. Grundy was also recommended by the local professional appraiser. Hope that in the next couple of years that the tiger is on the road and I have to get insurance for it. dan From gswaybright at yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 08:06:09 2010 From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Insurance In-Reply-To: References: <588408.24135.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <512141.75953.qm@web31408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I knew I forgot one of the big guys in collector car insurance. Stephen Waybright ----- Original Message ---- From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Tony Somebody Tony, I've used Hagerty Insurance for all my collectable cars and bikes. Contact fellow Tiger owner John Engle (tigermaniac at sbcglobal.net), he is an agent for the company and is my agent of record. Bugz From m_dangelo at verizon.net Mon Mar 15 08:22:26 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (m_dangelo at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:22:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Tigers] How to attach soft top boot to body Message-ID: <1882162422.525430.1268666546585.JavaMail.root@vms244.mailsrvcs.net> From tigermaniac at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 15 08:44:23 2010 From: tigermaniac at sbcglobal.net (John R. Engle) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:44:23 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Insurance References: <588408.24135.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <512141.75953.qm@web31408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Insurance is a "promise" that if something goes wrong that is a covered loss, then the insurance company is going to step in and return you to the position that you were prior to the loss event. So, it is not only the upfront premium rate that you pay but their willingness to make good on their promise that is important. I insure well over 1,000 collector cars, motorcycles and race cars so have had clients that have had the inevitable claims. I will only use Hagerty and Grundy in my business as both of these companies step up to the plate admirably when it comes to claim time. I have had people come into my office or call and relay claims events where specifically Parrish Heacock and JC Taylor would not step up to the plate and take care of a legitimate claim. So, be forewarned on them. Others, such as Condon & Skelley, Chrome, American Collectors, American Modern, I have had no experience nor feedback on so I am currently neutral on them. In my opinion Hagerty is the best in the business for many reasons followed very closely by Grundy. I personally use both of these companies for my collector vehicles. John R Engle www.lamptonengleagency.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Waybright" To: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" ; "TonySomebody" Cc: Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Insurance >I knew I forgot one of the big guys in collector car insurance. > > Stephen Waybright > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" > To: Tony Somebody > > Tony, > I've used Hagerty Insurance for all my collectable cars and bikes. > Contact fellow Tiger owner John Engle (tigermaniac at sbcglobal.net), he is > an agent for the company and is my agent of record. > > Bugz > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tigermaniac at sbcglobal.net From dsmtjoy at cox.net Mon Mar 15 10:35:49 2010 From: dsmtjoy at cox.net (Mountjoy) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:35:49 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 94 References: Message-ID: <597DDFF471C349DC992D932CF21FD6EF@computer> I cannot advise to strongly to STAY AWAY from Hagerty. They burned me to the tune of ~10K on the Le Mans Tiger. Also burned a friend on his real Cobra. There are plenty of companies who handle specialty cars... Grundy, Condon & Skelly, J.C. Taylor and many others... even State Farm and Barrett-Jackson have jiumped into the game. Make sure you get "agreed value" for your car. Darrell Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:12:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Somebody Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Insurance To: Beamclub Message-ID: <588408.24135.qm at web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It seems I have found a large difference in insurance compaines locally here in southern IL. While one company(Country Compaines) has decent Tiger insurance, my other cars are high- another local comopany(name forgotten but what I would refer to as jobber insurance has good car insurance but the Tiger insutrance is high PLUS they told me a few years back the Tiger had gone up in value above a 56 Vette but whiklle I was told the car was worth 25k then, I read the policy to lrearn I only have 15k replacement insurance. Anyone have any reccomendations of insurance compaines. I seem to recall we have an owner who sells car insurance but any thoughts would be appreciated- on list or private- both is fine with em. Many regards to ALL our members- even the one who called me an asshole. Wait until you get to meet me in person. Cheers, TonytheTiger From fastsage at cox.net Mon Mar 15 12:03:50 2010 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:03:50 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Insurance In-Reply-To: <588408.24135.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <588408.24135.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B9E8496.5000200@cox.net> Tony: If you insure your car as an every day vehicle, which I do, I periodically do a lot of checking and my coverage always seems to be the best (lowest cost) or close to it. Plus, when I've had a couple of claims to make, they gave excellent service. The company is "Auto Owners Insurance". They also do homeowner's insurance too and give you a break if you do both with them, which I do. I've raised the coverage as values have gone up but it's still reasonable. They do replacement value coverage but you have to be specific. All the policies that do that seem to have something like they'll cover "up to $xxxxxx", so I have pictures of the Tiger in detail and also keep clippings of auction results, etc. to establish value. Steve Sage On 3/14/2010 11:12 PM, Tony Somebody wrote: > Anyone have any reccomendations of insurance compaines. > Cheers, > TonytheTiger > _______________________________________________ > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14560 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From Carmods at aol.com Mon Mar 15 12:05:08 2010 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:05:08 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty Message-ID: <57d9f.1bfd6c1f.38cfdee4@aol.com> I have had a great response from Hagerty. When my car was totaled in a rear end collision, they quickly examined the car, paid the full amount of what I had it insured for, paid towing costs and allowed me to buy the car back for a reasonable price so it could be restored. I now have three cars insured with them at a group rate. John Logan From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Mar 15 12:43:06 2010 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:43:06 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] How to attach soft top boot to body In-Reply-To: <1882162422.525430.1268666546585.JavaMail.root@vms244.mailsrvcs.net> References: <1882162422.525430.1268666546585.JavaMail.root@vms244.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <39a841b1003151243p6039fadr81e7a398c8488448@mail.gmail.com> yes, the curtain as you describe it sounds like its fitted correctly. my padded roll is secured with press studs that have self tappers through them. On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 3:22 PM, wrote: > > Hi. I don't think mine was attached with screws. Maybe it was, but I did > not notice any screws there. When you say, "vinyl bag", what are you > talking about? Is this the curtain that divides the trunk from the > cockpit? Thanks! Mauro > > > Mar 15, 2010 08:15:30 AM, owain.lloyd at gmail.com wrote: > > i attached mine under the padded roll using the existing screws. > the vinyl bag has to be correctly attached to allow the soft top to fold > all the way down for the 'boot' (why is it called that?) to fit over it. > mine was attached to this same padded roll but it should go straight down > and be clipped to the lip just in front of the shock covers. > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 10:13 PM, MAURO D'ANGELO wrote: > >> Hello everybody. I am about to install my new soft top boot to my car. >> The >> old one was in tatters and I did not notice how what was left was actually >> attached to the body. I do remember that the boot was attached under the >> long roll. I see on the body that there are some sharp v-shaped teeth all >> along near the edge of the body. As usual, Sunbeam Specialties offers zero >> instructions with its parts. Anyone, please? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Mauro >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage : >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com From hallmotors at cox.net Mon Mar 15 12:51:10 2010 From: hallmotors at cox.net (Hall Motors) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:51:10 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Insurance In-Reply-To: <4B9E8496.5000200@cox.net> References: <588408.24135.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B9E8496.5000200@cox.net> Message-ID: <00f701cac478$dc70cca0$955265e0$@net> I had three cars at the Russo debacle, all insured stated value by Haggerty. Luckily the tiger wasn't damaged, but the other two were (a '63 Vette Roadster and a '63 dual-four 427 Galaxie). Haggerty's claim service was nothing short of phenomenal; I highly recommend them. Brad Hall B382000609LRXFE -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Sage Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 2:04 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Insurance Tony: If you insure your car as an every day vehicle, which I do, I periodically do a lot of checking and my coverage always seems to be the best (lowest cost) or close to it. Plus, when I've had a couple of claims to make, they gave excellent service. The company is "Auto Owners Insurance". They also do homeowner's insurance too and give you a break if you do both with them, which I do. I've raised the coverage as values have gone up but it's still reasonable. They do replacement value coverage but you have to be specific. All the policies that do that seem to have something like they'll cover "up to $xxxxxx", so I have pictures of the Tiger in detail and also keep clippings of auction results, etc. to establish value. Steve Sage On 3/14/2010 11:12 PM, Tony Somebody wrote: > Anyone have any reccomendations of insurance compaines. > Cheers, > TonytheTiger > _______________________________________________ > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14560 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/hallmotors at cox.net From dave at munroe.ca Mon Mar 15 15:53:40 2010 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:53:40 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] 2" Exhaust system In-Reply-To: <4B9E8496.5000200@cox.net> References: <588408.24135.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4B9E8496.5000200@cox.net> Message-ID: <5E67CE15691C4C108982AE54C37C774A@DavePC> Hi all: I just got the engine out of my car for some R&R, and from the looks of the exhaust system, it is a good time to replace it. Early last year or so there was a guy from Quebec (Canada) selling really nice 2" exhaust systems on eBay, but danged if I can find his address. Does anyone have it by any chance, or the name of another supplier of quality exhaust systems? I asked Rick at SS, and they only offer stock 1 3/4" systems. Thanks in advance for any leads. Dave B382000450 with a stroker 331 cu in smoke generator From dave at munroe.ca Mon Mar 15 18:22:12 2010 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:22:12 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] 2" Exhaust system In-Reply-To: <972230.9476.qm@web80505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <972230.9476.qm@web80505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Great idea Chris: But I'm not convinced our local guys have the patience to match my anal need for perfection! Also, I like the look of the original chrome tips and brackets which, I think, the 2" system from Quebec had. However if there are none available, that may be my only option, perfection or no. Thanks Chris, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Richards To: Dave Munroe Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2" Exhaust system My local muffler guy did a nice job for about $400. I took the original system to him for guidance. Chris From achd73 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 15 18:26:45 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] 2" Exhaust system In-Reply-To: <5E67CE15691C4C108982AE54C37C774A@DavePC> Message-ID: <967342.47467.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dave- My local exhaust shop can make an exhaust exactly like what he was selling. In his bend card file, there is even a Tiger BUT he builds custom exhaust for guys who restore or restomod cars- like an old Caddy with a stroker engine. I'm certain you should be able to find a shop in your area that can duplicate a stock exhaust system in 2" stainless, should you prefer stainless. Shipping from Canada will be expensive and that $$$ would go a long way towards a new system in 2". Not trying to beat the chaps ebay item but it was rather expensive without shipping. TtT --- On Mon, 3/15/10, Dave Munroe wrote: From: Dave Munroe Subject: [Tigers] 2" Exhaust system To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 5:53 PM Hi all: I just got the engine out of my car for some R&R, and from the looks of the exhaust system, it is a good time to replace it. Early last year or so there was a guy from Quebec (Canada) selling really nice 2" exhaust systems on eBay, but danged if I can find his address. Does anyone have it by any chance, or the name of another supplier of quality exhaust systems? I asked Rick at SS, and they only offer stock 1 3/4" systems. Thanks in advance for any leads. Dave B382000450 with a stroker 331 cu in smoke generator _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Mar 15 20:34:12 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:34:12 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 2" Exhaust system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <84FA9BAD4A11401DB1C20591F82D82C2@ronpc1> Dave I had a shop buy stainless steel tubes and make the exhaust system. I polished the tips on a buffing wheel before installing that section of pipe. I would at least ask at your local shops about that and if you can be present while they make the system. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Munroe Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 9:22 PM To: Chris Richards; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2" Exhaust system Great idea Chris: But I'm not convinced our local guys have the patience to match my anal need for perfection! Also, I like the look of the original chrome tips and brackets which, I think, the 2" system from Quebec had. However if there are none available, that may be my only option, perfection or no. Thanks Chris, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Richards To: Dave Munroe Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2" Exhaust system My local muffler guy did a nice job for about $400. I took the original system to him for guidance. Chris _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2748 - Release Date: 03/15/10 07:33:00 From spook01 at comcast.net Tue Mar 16 04:50:22 2010 From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:50:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] 2" Exhaust system In-Reply-To: <967342.47467.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1177786813.16766581268740222200.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I have a friend in switzerland who wants a 2 1/4" system in stainless.B Any ideas? ray Energy Management is the hallmark of a professional pilot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Somebody" To: "Dave Munroe" Cc: "Beamclub" Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 8:26:45 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2" Exhaust system Dave- My local exhaust shop can make an exhaust exactly like what he was selling. In his bend card file, there is even a Tiger BUT he builds custom exhaust for guys who restore or restomod cars- like an old Caddy with a stroker engine. I'm certain you should be able to find a shop in your area that can duplicate a stock exhaust system in 2" stainless, should you prefer stainless. Shipping from Canada will be expensive and that $$$ would go a long way towards a new system in 2". Not trying to beat the chaps ebay item but it was rather expensive without shipping. TtT --- On Mon, 3/15/10, Dave Munroe wrote: From: Dave Munroe Subject: [Tigers] 2" Exhaust system To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 5:53 PM Hi all: I just got the engine out of my car for some R&R, and from the looks of the exhaust system, it is a good time to replace it. Early last year or so there was a guy from Quebec (Canada) selling really nice 2" exhaust systems on eBay, but danged if I can find his address. Does anyone have it by any chance, or the name of another supplier of quality exhaust systems? I asked Rick at SS, and they only offer stock 1 3/4" systems. Thanks in advance for any leads. Dave B382000450 with a stroker 331 cu in smoke generator _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/spook01 at comcast.net From rande at thecia.net Tue Mar 16 06:54:17 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:54:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust in Canada Message-ID: <4b9f8d89.2ae6.0@thecia.net> Hi, Seems to me the guy you're looking for was located in Terrebonne, a northeast suburb of MTL, he bragged in his eBay listings that he used very expensive equipment to make his 2" systems, and as of the last offering,HE WAS GETTING OUT OF THE TIGER EXHAUST BUSINESS. I can't think of what the company name was, I'm not sure if I ever learned it. You have to hope that if he went to the trouble of buying a $100,000+ machine for bending exhaust( I think he bragged that it cost multiples of that) he's still doing exhaust of some kind. In any event, there's a listing for a company called Octo Freins Silencieux (brakes - mufflers) in Terrebonne. The postal address is 1565 ch Gascon, Terrebonne, QC J6X 2Z6. If they're not him, maybe they know who it is. In BC, there a website for stainless steel exhaust for Sunbeams, including Tigers. The company is called Double S Exhaust, in Victoria. The website is www.doublesexhaust.com/cars.html, and their email is mives at pacificcoast.net. If you do manage to find our Quebec exhaust ami, dites moi. RB From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Mar 16 07:15:41 2010 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:15:41 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust in Canada In-Reply-To: <4b9f8d89.2ae6.0@thecia.net> References: <4b9f8d89.2ae6.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068402446375@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Shipping from Victoria to NS is going to be as expensive (or more) than from almost anyplace in the US... going by distance, anyway. At least you won't have customs to deal with. There was also Dr. Gas, in Utah, that some people visited while at Park City... they measured up someone's Tiger so they could add Tigers to their lineup but I don't know if that ever got done all the way. http://www.drgas.com/ Since we're on the topic, can Brian, Peter or any of the other Vancouver/Victoria Tiger people chime in on Double S? I have older-design Sunbeam Specialties headers (only used last summer), 2" exhaust, Flowmasters 50's and Dynomax resonator slash tips. To make the exhaust tone a little more mellow, I'm planning to put in a H-pipe crossover, but that's challenging because of the (short) amount of space between the ends of the headers and the exhaust passthroughs in the frame. Any opinions on having the H-pipe right behind the header collectors vs. doing an X-pipe behind the passthroughs? Cheers, Theo ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From robin02 at mindspring.com Tue Mar 16 09:11:21 2010 From: robin02 at mindspring.com (Robin Young) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 12:11:21 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust in Canada In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068402446375@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> References: <4b9f8d89.2ae6.0@thecia.net> <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068402446375@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <16F5C190796244B8AA73983AD4DB2E8A@RobinLaptop> Any opinions on having the H-pipe right behind the header collectors vs. doing an X-pipe behind the passthroughs? Cheers, Theo Theo, I used 2" stainless pipe for my exhaust and a 1-1/8" H pipe behind the headers. I bought stainless flanges and gaskets from Aircraft Spruce and took them to the fabricator. I believe the correct location for the crossover is 17" back on equal length header pipes. Since a Tiger headers are not equal length, he had a formula to locate them. In any case, they are just ahead of the pass throughs and just behind the collector. He used a short piece of smaller pipe from the collector through the pass through and ran the 2" pipe back to Flowmasters and then added polished tips at the back. The install looks nice and the crossover eliminates the back pressure from the large collector as it chokes down to the 2" pipe. Robin Young From jim at island.net Tue Mar 16 13:07:25 2010 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:07:25 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Nice helmets ! In-Reply-To: <16F5C190796244B8AA73983AD4DB2E8A@RobinLaptop> References: <4b9f8d89.2ae6.0@thecia.net><47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068402446375@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> <16F5C190796244B8AA73983AD4DB2E8A@RobinLaptop> Message-ID: <3E886F1331244AB8B94C191A6D20678C@JIMPC> Do a search on e-Bay for Masei Tiger ... Great for that next autocross !! I'd post a link, but it doesn't work most of the time... :( Jim B382000446 From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Mar 16 19:14:36 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:14:36 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] How to attach soft top boot to body In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00A82362122C4373BBB42948A4280EEC@ronpc1> To all There have been several notes about Sunbeam Specialties not providing instructions with parts. SS provides parts and does one heck of a great job doing that. It is not their job to provide detailed instructions with every part. We need to do a better job of noticing how parts are installed on our cars; there are no factory assembly instructions available to copy off. I know Tiger Tom had some instructions with some of his parts and I believe SS does the same. These cars are approaching and passing 50 years now so we need to step up in this area. We need to do a better job of documenting. We have to do a better job of writing and publishing instructions and I do mean all of us including myself. Now with that said; in the archive there is an article written by John Crawley about installing the soft top. I believe there are some others out there too but this one I found. http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/JCrawleyRest/rt-JCrawleyRest19.asp Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 6:14 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] How to attach soft top boot to body Hello everybody. I am about to install my new soft top boot to my car. The old one was in tatters and I did not notice how what was left was actually attached to the body. I do remember that the boot was attached under the long roll. I see on the body that there are some sharp v-shaped teeth all along near the edge of the body. As usual, Sunbeam Specialties offers zero instructions with its parts. Anyone, please? Thanks! Mauro _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2743 - Release Date: 03/13/10 07:33:00 From jmartiniii at yahoo.com Wed Mar 17 10:21:25 2010 From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 10:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Correct Color Components Message-ID: <292837.4329.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks to all who have responded. I believe I have a 1965 block in a 1966 MK1A. I am still unclear as to the correct OLD FORD DARK BLUE. The Mustang catalogs indicate Duplicolor DE 1606 is the correct color but I also seen DE 1621. Any Definitive consensus? Thanks Joel Martin From jmartiniii at yahoo.com Wed Mar 17 10:30:13 2010 From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 10:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Parts Needed Message-ID: <335788.30650.qm@web38106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello I am in the market for a number of parts for a 1966 MK1A. Radiator overflow tank and bracket. Oil filter plumbing/tubes/brackets Windshield wiper washer bracket and bottle Bolts for heater core plate where the hood release sits Left side front body molding short piece behind script and long piece in front of script. Tiger seat frames and sliding brackets - both sides. Old wood dash that could be re-finished - currently using Alpine plastic dash - would like to replace. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Joel Martin From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Mar 17 11:16:53 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:16:53 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Parts Needed In-Reply-To: <335788.30650.qm@web38106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Joel Bolts for heater core plate where the hood release Sits #10 x 1/2" screw Left side front body molding short piece behind script and long piece in front of script. Sunbeam Specialties has all these moldings Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 1:30 PM To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Parts Needed Hello I am in the market for a number of parts for a 1966 MK1A. Radiator overflow tank and bracket. Oil filter plumbing/tubes/brackets Windshield wiper washer bracket and bottle Bolts for heater core plate where the hood release sits Tiger seat frames and sliding brackets - both sides. Old wood dash that could be re-finished - currently using Alpine plastic dash - would like to replace. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Joel Martin _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2750 - Release Date: 03/17/10 07:33:00 From alittlemoreink at hotmail.com Wed Mar 17 11:53:03 2010 From: alittlemoreink at hotmail.com (John Crawley) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:53:03 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 98 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ron: On thing that I did not mention in my top installation article is that tops can be shrunk with steam. If you end up with wrinkles a hand held steamer used on the cloth side of the top will take them out but take care the material shrinks a lot with very little steam. Also remember that the restoration articles that I wrote are now 15-20 old and lots has changed although basic top installation is pretty much the same. Jc _________________________________________________________________ Take your contacts everywhere http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712959 From achd73 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 17 12:16:42 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 12:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 98 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <637168.36428.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> John- it was a good post. Evntho I had read the entire article, from the first to the last thought covered, I reread everyhing. I think its a good idea to add a few drops or Kroil oil or equilivant to the threads on the tension rods, as they will rust in time and they break very easy- add it to preventive maintances, as you may have a new top that will last for yrars, a person should adjust the rods on ocassion, even if they return to the orginal last thread previously exposed, so one day you or another lucky owner will have rods that function. Now if I only had the springs or other items that make that syestem as orginal. Great donation of your time John. THANKS from me and Im sure I can speak for almost everyone. TtT --- On Wed, 3/17/10, John Crawley wrote: From: John Crawley Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 98 To: "LIST TIGER" Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 1:53 PM Hi Ron: On thing that I did not mention in my top installation article is that tops can be shrunk with steam. If you end up with wrinkles a hand held steamer used on the cloth side of the top will take them out but take care the material shrinks a lot with very little steam. Also remember that the restoration articles that I wrote are now 15-20 old and lots has changed although basic top installation is pretty much the same. Jc _________________________________________________________________ Take your contacts everywhere http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712959 _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From GRMTim at aol.com Wed Mar 17 16:32:01 2010 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:32:01 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty Message-ID: <1b5a4.24f3199c.38d2c071@aol.com> I too use them and have only made one claim, that they paid instantly. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Mar 18 04:21:16 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:21:16 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty Message-ID: <841fe.3ae0afe4.38d366ac@aol.com> On the subject of insurance claims and companies' performances... most of the complaints seem to come when there is a total loss. Determining the value of the car and what coverage or kind of coverage the policy provides becomes the real issue. In the case of a partial loss it's pretty hard for any company to dispute what it will cost to repair it when the owner can provide estimates from professional shops. It seems that a company could be good to work with for a fender bender, but might not be so great in the event of a total loss. I've had no claims so can't comment on any company. I do know that before issuing a policy, my agent insisted on an outside appraisal and a personal inspection where he took numerous pictures to determine the car's "condition". Mark From Rollright at aol.com Thu Mar 18 07:50:49 2010 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:50:49 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Contact Fordlandia Message-ID: Some time ago, a lister named Fordlandia needed some front-end rebuild information. I promised to send it. If you haven't done yours yet, I'll be happy to pass one the 20 pages or so I've put together. Jim Armstrong _rollright at aol.com_ (mailto:rollright at aol.com) Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE From m_dangelo at verizon.net Fri Mar 19 15:38:39 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:38:39 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Water Pump In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi everybody. I need a water pump for my newly built engine for my Sunbeam Tiger. I am trying to figure out if this is just a stock Ford part, or if there is something special about these in terms of dimensions and other specs. Is there a correct part number for this part? Please help! Thanks. Mauro From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Fri Mar 19 19:56:51 2010 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 19:56:51 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Repro Hood In-Reply-To: <5300.76.191.205.210.1267769716.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> References: <87fe8.6569a125.38c1dd96@aol.com> <5300.76.191.205.210.1267769716.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> Message-ID: <8B9CE269457342A6B5285201F29C11D2@BucksLaptop> Jeff Haworth bought one of Kent Wilcox's LAT hoods and then had a "small batch" of copies made. Why not just buy a hood from Kent? ($600 fob San Diego, (619) 448-6700) He also furnishes correct looking metal screens for the openings. I doubt anyone makes a better hood. After all, Kent's been making LAT hoods for decades so he's had time to work out the bugs. I have his hoods on two of our Tigers. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Repro Hood > It would be great to get Rick at Sunbeam Specialties to bring some in. > Looks like a great product. > > Chris > > > > >> Ok.. not sure if brad is now an agent for these bonnets.. but they > are the >> photos and the details from Jeff Haworths LAt bonnets > in the UK.. I have >> close photos of mine if people are > interested. >> >> this is jeffs listing: >> >> > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sunbeam-Tiger-or-Alpine-LAT-bonnet-NEW_W0QQitemZ290405490991QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item439d84212f > >> >> On 5 March 2010 15:07, > wrote: >> >>> This seller is in Corona del Mar, CA, > United States. The BOnnet looks >>> to >>> be a nice > piece of work. Has any one purchased one of these and how do >>> they >>> fit? >>> >>> In a > message dated 3/4/2010 6:01:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >>> > michael.s.king at gmail.com writes: >>> >>> I bought > one, its from Jeff Haworth in the Uk.. he built a nice box.. >>> shipped down to australia.. have not painted it yet but gel > coat finsh >>> was >>> nice, edges are nice.. seems > a really good item.. i was happy (though >>> have >>> not fitted it yet). >>> >>> However.. if > you are in the USA.. have you checked your local suppliers >>> > Dale etc? I bought mine from Jeff with 3 others here in AU as a bulk >>> order.. >>> as we have no local supliers, others > have fitted theirs and said they >>> are >>> good. > >>> >>> > > > > On 5 March 2010 > 12:25, wrote: >>> >>>> > E-pay item 320495558338 . Any comments? >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> Support > Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> You are subscribed as michael.s.king at gmail.com >>>> >>>> Tigers at autox.team.net >>>> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >>>> >>>> http://www.team.net/archive >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> > Regards >>> >>> Michael King >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Regards >> >> Michael King >> > _______________________________________________ >> Support > Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are > subscribed as cjcoffel at sonic.net >> >> > Tigers at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bucktrippel at verizon.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net Sat Mar 20 05:50:54 2010 From: sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net (Paul R Sheahan) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 05:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Annual Spring Rite Message-ID: <162814.49749.qm@web83708.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Ladies and Gents, As Spring is up us and it is getting warmer, we all start to break out our Tigers to enjoy the season. Might I remind you to perform our Annual Rite of Spring and tighten the lug nuts on your wheels. This morning as I was preparing for a car show in Naples, Florida I remembered to check the lugs. Surprise surprise....several were loose. Save yourself a lot of heartache and check and tighten the lugs. Paul Paul R Sheahan From Carmods at aol.com Sat Mar 20 06:21:37 2010 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:21:37 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Water Pump Message-ID: <4528f.7999ef3b.38d625e1@aol.com> In a message dated 3/19/2010 6:39:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, m_dangelo at verizon.net writes: I need a water pump for my newly built engine for my Sunbeam Tiger. I am trying to figure out if this is just a stock Ford part Mauro, Buy an Edelbrock high flow aluminum water pump for an early "V" belt Ford small block with the outlet on the right side, press the fan mounting flange back 7/16" and you will have a Tiger water pump. If you have a 260, you will have to replace the front cover with a 289 or early 302 cover or find a water pump that fits a 260 front cover. John Logan From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sat Mar 20 08:45:04 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:45:04 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Water Pump In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mauro Water pump assembly - C4JE-8501-A This indicates a Tiger specific part but only because of the position of the hub. The original Tiger water pump is a stock Ford part. You should be able to see a casting number and casting date code on your original water pump. 1964 260 engine water pump should have C4OE-8505-A casting number Aluminum casting June 1965 289 engine water pump was changed to cast iron with C5OE-8505-B or C5OE-8505-K casting numbers Generally all 260 engines have an aluminum water pump and all 289 engines have a cast iron water pump with some exceptions. The hub is located differently on each. As always I recommend you never throw away or trade an original Tiger part for any reason. I would see if anyone in your area will rebuild your pump. Basically a bearing and seal replacement is required. First check to see if the fan belt on the engine is in line correctly. This will tell you that the hub is positioned at the correct height or if it needs a correction. Now measure and note the position of the hub on the water pump as shown in the Workshop Manual. The dimensions listed in the Manual are WRONG; ignore them. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 6:39 PM To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Water Pump Hi everybody. I need a water pump for my newly built engine for my Sunbeam Tiger. I am trying to figure out if this is just a stock Ford part, or if there is something special about these in terms of dimensions and other specs. Is there a correct part number for this part? Please help! Thanks. Mauro _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2756 - Release Date: 03/19/10 07:33:00 From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Sat Mar 20 08:47:43 2010 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:47:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Repro Hood In-Reply-To: <8B9CE269457342A6B5285201F29C11D2@BucksLaptop> References: <87fe8.6569a125.38c1dd96@aol.com> <5300.76.191.205.210.1267769716.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> <8B9CE269457342A6B5285201F29C11D2@BucksLaptop> Message-ID: <9407A77C929948018149A861EB526563@BucksLaptop> I need to correct and apologize to Jeff for my earlier post. I reported a rumor as a fact without checking it out. I wrote, " Jeff Haworth bought one of Kent Wilcox's LAT hoods and then had a "small batch" of copies made." While it is true that Jeff bought one of Kent's hoods (ten years ago) and it is also true that Jeff made a batch of LAT reproductions the implication that Jeff copied the hood he bought from Kent is incorrect. Jeff has let me know that the hood he copied was not the one he bought from Kent. I stand corrected and apologize! Buck Trippel Subject: Re: [Tigers] Repro Hood > Jeff Haworth bought one of Kent Wilcox's LAT hoods and then had a "small > batch" of copies made. > > Why not just buy a hood from Kent? ($600 fob San Diego, (619) 448-6700) > He also furnishes correct looking metal screens for the openings. I doubt > anyone makes a better hood. After all, Kent's been making LAT hoods for > decades so he's had time to work out the bugs. I have his hoods on two of > our Tigers. > Buck Trippel From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk Sat Mar 20 09:00:42 2010 From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:00:42 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Repro Hood In-Reply-To: <9407A77C929948018149A861EB526563@BucksLaptop> References: <87fe8.6569a125.38c1dd96@aol.com> <5300.76.191.205.210.1267769716.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> <8B9CE269457342A6B5285201F29C11D2@BucksLaptop> <9407A77C929948018149A861EB526563@BucksLaptop> Message-ID: Hi Buck, thanks for the clarification. kind regards from the cold and wet side of the pond :-) Jeff In message <9407A77C929948018149A861EB526563 at BucksLaptop>, Buck Trippel writes >I need to correct and apologize to Jeff for my earlier post. > >I reported a rumor as a fact without checking it out. > >I wrote, " Jeff Haworth bought one of Kent Wilcox's LAT hoods and then >had a "small batch" of copies made." > >While it is true that Jeff bought one of Kent's hoods (ten years ago) >and it is also true that Jeff made a batch of LAT reproductions the >implication that Jeff copied the hood he bought from Kent is incorrect. >Jeff has let me know that the hood he copied was not the one he bought >from Kent. I stand corrected and apologize! > >Buck Trippel > > > >Subject: Re: [Tigers] Repro Hood > > >> Jeff Haworth bought one of Kent Wilcox's LAT hoods and then had a >>"small batch" of copies made. >> >> Why not just buy a hood from Kent? ($600 fob San Diego, (619) >>448-6700) He also furnishes correct looking metal screens for the >>openings. I doubt anyone makes a better hood. After all, Kent's been >>making LAT hoods for decades so he's had time to work out the bugs. >>I have his hoods on two of our Tigers. >> Buck Trippel >_______________________________________________ >Tigers at autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk > > -- Jeff Howarth From Landcmitch at aol.com Sat Mar 20 12:36:27 2010 From: Landcmitch at aol.com (Landcmitch at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:36:27 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Wheel and Tire Fitting Message-ID: For those of us contemplating wheel and tire size, offset, back spacing, etc.you might look at a tool called "Percy's Wheelrite". There are a number of sites on the web about this tool, even some on how to make your own. Summit and Jegs have them for 70 bucks. Charlie From rspontelli at earthlink.net Sat Mar 20 20:46:26 2010 From: rspontelli at earthlink.net (Ramon Spontelli) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 20:46:26 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Repro Hood In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <97B7CCC5AD0241909F9E6674E63D8891@XPDESKTOP> << I have his hoods on two of our Tigers.>> I have his hood on one of our Alpines. Ramon From m_dangelo at verizon.net Sun Mar 21 04:36:21 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 07:36:21 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Repro Hood In-Reply-To: <97B7CCC5AD0241909F9E6674E63D8891@XPDESKTOP> Message-ID: I have one of Kent Wilcox's hoods on my Tiger. It's very nice. I still have to have it fitted properly. Kent makes his hoods slightly oversized to ensure they will fit on Tigers with slightly differing dimensions. Particularly, the length (fore to aft) is greater than necessary for my car. Clearly, since the dimensions of Tigers are not all the same across the board, it could mean that, with the over-sizing of his hoods, Kent accounts for cars that may have been wrecked and repaired. Alternatively, the Rootes factory assembly line was manned by some slightly sober Englishmen, making the finished dimensions of the cars approximately the same, but not exactly. Anyway, the bottom line is that Kent, with his long experience in fabricating panels for aerospace applications, make a super fine LAT hood. Cheers. Mauro On 3/20/10 11:46 PM, "Ramon Spontelli" wrote: > << I have his hoods on two of our Tigers.>> > > I have his hood on one of our Alpines. > > Ramon > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/m_dangelo at verizon.net From tym2 at comcast.net Sun Mar 21 10:22:42 2010 From: tym2 at comcast.net (tym2 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:22:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] cam exchange Message-ID: <502492679.3753661269192162149.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Tigers, I'm going to install a new cam in my Mk1A. Can I remove the cam after removing the hood, radiator, water pump, timing cover etc,? Or, do I have to pull the engine? Please tell me I don't have to do this! Thanks, Tym McDowell From dsmtjoy at cox.net Sun Mar 21 12:09:40 2010 From: dsmtjoy at cox.net (Mountjoy) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 12:09:40 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 101 References: Message-ID: <529C177CB6554FBF809EB2809D25FA7B@computer> I have one of these tools and it's great. It has saved me so much effort over what I went through when I was refitting wheels/tires on our street Tiger (Ramon remembers). Any "locals" want to borrow it let me know. Darrell ----- Original Message ----- Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:36:27 EDT From: Landcmitch at aol.com Subject: [Tigers] Wheel and Tire Fitting To: tigers at autox.team.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" For those of us contemplating wheel and tire size, offset, back spacing, etc.you might look at a tool called "Percy's Wheelrite". There are a number of sites on the web about this tool, even some on how to make your own. Summit and Jegs have them for 70 bucks. Charlie From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 21 15:41:25 2010 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 15:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] cam exchange Message-ID: <372091.81570.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> B "I'm going to install a new cam in my Mk1A. Can I remove the cam after removing the hood, radiator, water pump, timing cover etc,? c Or, do I have to pull the engine? Please tell me I don't have to do this! " B B You can do it according to the LAT 20 instructions that are in Gordon Chittenden's book.B Basically, the engine is stripped down to the bare block with heads, intake manifold, exhaust manifold, water pump, timing chain cover, timing chain, radiator and shroud, front grille removed.B Now, you can remove the cam via the grille opening. Reassembly is just the reverse.B B What fun! B B After all that work you are better off removing the engine.B Then you can put in a new clutch, pressure plate and fly wheel even if you think you don't need it.B And since the front x-member is out, you may as well rebuild that and repaint.B Now the engine compartment is empty, you may as well strip it and repaint it.B Maybe the radiator should be recored .... you get the idea.B B B What started out as a engine swap for my car is tuning into a year long rebuild and repaint session. B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B Jeff B B B From RSSmithIQ at cs.com Sun Mar 21 16:19:32 2010 From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:19:32 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] cam exchange In-Reply-To: <372091.81570.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <372091.81570.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4BA6A984.3000705@cs.com> Why would you need to remove the heads? The intake needs to come off to get to the lifters, and all the stuff on the front to get to the cam, but I'm not getting why the heads and exhaust manifolds need to come off. Am I missing something? -Randy On 3/21/2010 6:41 PM, Jeffrey Nichols wrote: > "I'm going to install a new cam in my Mk1A. > Can I remove the cam after removing the hood, radiator, water pump, timing > cover etc,? > > Or, do I have to pull the engine? Please tell me I don't have to do this! " > > > You can do it according to the LAT 20 instructions that are in Gordon > Chittenden's book. Basically, the engine is stripped down to the bare block > with heads, intake manifold, exhaust manifold, water pump, timing chain cover, > timing chain, radiator and shroud, front grille removed. Now, you can remove > the cam via the grille opening. Reassembly is just the reverse. What fun! > > After all that work you are better off removing the engine. Then you can put > in a new clutch, pressure plate and fly wheel even if you think you don't need > it. And since the front x-member is out, you may as well rebuild that and > repaint. Now the engine compartment is empty, you may as well strip it and > repaint it. Maybe the radiator should be recored .... > you get the idea. What started out as a engine swap for my car is tuning > into a year long rebuild and repaint session. > > > Jeff > -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ at cs.com Tiger- B382000189 From m_dangelo at verizon.net Sun Mar 21 16:27:54 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:27:54 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] cam exchange In-Reply-To: <4BA6A984.3000705@cs.com> Message-ID: Nope. I really don't think they do... On 3/21/10 7:19 PM, "Randy Smith" wrote: > Why would you need to remove the heads? The intake needs to come off to > get to the lifters, and all the stuff on the front to get to the cam, > but I'm not getting why the heads and exhaust manifolds need to come > off. Am I missing something? > > -Randy > > On 3/21/2010 6:41 PM, Jeffrey Nichols wrote: >> "I'm going to install a new cam in my Mk1A. >> Can I remove the cam after removing the hood, radiator, water pump, timing >> cover etc,? >> >> Or, do I have to pull the engine? Please tell me I don't have to do this! " >> >> >> You can do it according to the LAT 20 instructions that are in Gordon >> Chittenden's book. Basically, the engine is stripped down to the bare block >> with heads, intake manifold, exhaust manifold, water pump, timing chain >> cover, >> timing chain, radiator and shroud, front grille removed. Now, you can remove >> the cam via the grille opening. Reassembly is just the reverse. What fun! >> >> After all that work you are better off removing the engine. Then you can put >> in a new clutch, pressure plate and fly wheel even if you think you don't >> need >> it. And since the front x-member is out, you may as well rebuild that and >> repaint. Now the engine compartment is empty, you may as well strip it and >> repaint it. Maybe the radiator should be recored .... >> you get the idea. What started out as a engine swap for my car is tuning >> into a year long rebuild and repaint session. >> >> >> Jeff From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun Mar 21 18:03:48 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:03:48 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] 2010 phillip island historic Message-ID: Listers, Some pictures and 2 videos from the historic racing at phillip island in melbourne australia: http://community.webshots.com/album/577087628bPOAhl -- Regards Michael King From maliburevue at yahoo.com Sun Mar 21 19:20:31 2010 From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:20:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] cam exchange In-Reply-To: <502492679.3753661269192162149.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <483301.20027.qm@web33208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tym, You do not need to remove the heads, just the intake manifold and valve covers, so you can backoff the rockers and remove the pushrods and lifters. Make sure you do that before you try to remove the cam. Quite often the bottoms of the lifters are mushroomed from wear and they will not come out the top of the lifter bore. With the pushrods removed and timing chain off, rotate the cam, so each lifter comes up to the top and then try to remove it without scraping the sides of the lifter. A scratched lifter could damage the lifter bore, if they have to go out the bottom. If a lifter will not come out the top, leave it at the top position out of the way of the cam lobes until you remove the cam and then push them out the bottom, granted you will have to take off your oil pan, if you haven't done so already. Good luck and let us know how it goes. Gary From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 21 19:31:34 2010 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] cam exchange Message-ID: <590713.89284.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "Why would you need to remove the heads? The intake needs to come off to get to the lifters, and all the stuff on the front to get to the cam, but I'm not getting why the heads and exhaust manifolds need to come off. Am I missing something?" The LAT20 cam kit came with valve springs and most other cam kits include valve springs. If you remove the springs the valves drop into the head and then you have a problem. The exhaust manifolds come off because you are removing the head. I read somewhere that you can stuff string into the cylinder via the sparkplug hole. Then you crank the engine to bring up the cylinder to TDC. The string will keep the valves from dropping. That may be one way around having to take of the heads. Jeff From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Mar 22 07:25:51 2010 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:25:51 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] cam exchange In-Reply-To: <590713.89284.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <590713.89284.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684024CB231@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> The other way to do that is you can break the core ceramic parts out of a spark plug, and thread it for an air hose fitting. Then you pressurize the cylinder to keep the valves up. Putting each cylinder at TDC when you do it is also a good idea because then you're on the heel of the cam. And if you have 16 magnetic wands then you don't even need to pull the intake manifold... pull the rockers, take out the pushrods, and then use the magnetic wands to hold the lifters up while you pull the cam. If you want to replace the lifters, though, I don't think you have a choice but to pull the heads. Cheers, Theo > I read somewhere that you can stuff string into the cylinder via the > sparkplug hole. Then you crank the engine to bring up the cylinder to > TDC. > The string will keep the valves from dropping. That may be one way > around > having to take of the heads. > > > Jeff ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From modtiger at comcast.net Mon Mar 22 08:47:10 2010 From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:47:10 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] cam exchange Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20100322084303.026049b8@comcast.net> When you are describing the procedures for valve train modification in the chassis, don't forget that the heads are inside the firewall and this precludes removing and installing the pushrods on certain cylinders. I've seen several Tigers with un-needed holes in the firewall because of this situation. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net From onegonefish at comcast.net Mon Mar 22 09:33:17 2010 From: onegonefish at comcast.net (Gary Fish) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:33:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hard top glass Message-ID: <20100322173512.190FB187658@autox.team.net> Has anyone had experience with the new glass hard top rear window replacements being offered by Lee? Mainly fit , dimensions and weight as compared to SS offering. Gary 1265 From bomber44 at comcast.net Mon Mar 22 09:47:26 2010 From: bomber44 at comcast.net (Rob Guerra) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:47:26 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Hard top glass In-Reply-To: <20100322173512.190FB187658@autox.team.net> References: <20100322173512.190FB187658@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <9E11C8CD-DF8C-4512-902E-B4AF7DA4CB29@comcast.net> I can tell you that tom hall has developed a "glass" rear window for the hard tops that are really nice. Contact him at modtiger at comcast.net On Mar 22, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Gary Fish wrote: > Has anyone had experience with the new glass hard top rear window > replacements being offered by Lee? Mainly fit , dimensions and weight as > compared to SS offering. > > > > Gary 1265 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bomber44 at comcast.net From kennon1 at aol.com Mon Mar 22 10:25:49 2010 From: kennon1 at aol.com (kennon1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:25:49 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] tiger originality / authenticity Message-ID: <8CC97FBD9B5C346-21E0-A2E7@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> Hello all, When is a tiger not a tiger....is a rear clip ok?..........is a front clip ok?.......a door, a hood, a bonnet....where is the line. I have a tac'd car but am looking at another car that has a repaired floor and repaired trunk floor????????? thanks ahead of time for any feedback kennon1 From s_ralsten at yahoo.com Mon Mar 22 10:57:50 2010 From: s_ralsten at yahoo.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:57:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Soft tops Message-ID: <306598.38329.qm@web114108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I want to replace my soft top before Tigers United. Interested in staying as close as possible to factory orig. Car is a very late Mk1 with square doors and hood but round trunk lid, what Norm calls a transition car. Are there any diffences in the soft top hardware between Mk 1 and 1A that would affect my order of new material ? If so how do I spot the difference ? What top is most like original top ? Thanks Steve From tigerpb at cox.net Mon Mar 22 11:10:03 2010 From: tigerpb at cox.net (Paul Burr) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:10:03 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hard top glass In-Reply-To: <9E11C8CD-DF8C-4512-902E-B4AF7DA4CB29@comcast.net> References: <20100322173512.190FB187658@autox.team.net> <9E11C8CD-DF8C-4512-902E-B4AF7DA4CB29@comcast.net> Message-ID: I remember way back seeing a Tiger with a glass back window. The glass was a cut down 1970's Chevy Nova rear window. I was told that the Nova's glass had a curve that matched the Tiger HT. Paul On Mar 22, 2010, at 12:47 PM, Rob Guerra wrote: > I can tell you that tom hall has developed a "glass" rear window for > the hard > tops that are really nice. > > Contact him at modtiger at comcast.net > > > On Mar 22, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Gary Fish wrote: > >> Has anyone had experience with the new glass hard top rear window >> replacements being offered by Lee? Mainly fit , dimensions and >> weight as >> compared to SS offering. >> >> >> >> Gary 1265 >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bomber44 at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tigerpb at cox.net From rande at thecia.net Mon Mar 22 11:46:38 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:46:38 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] authenticity Message-ID: <4ba7bb0e.1fda.0@thecia.net> First, I'm not a TAC inspector, but I believe in their program, and I have a lot confidence in the inspectors, some of whom I know. The only goal of the TAC people is to determine if the car they're looking at has sufficient evidence to convince them that it did indeed go down the Jensen assembly line. They have a long list of things to look at, and repaired accident damage or things replaced because they rusted out won't disqualify a car all by itself. If you already own a Tiger that's been TAC'd, compare your car carefully with the one you're shopping for. If you'd like help, contact a club or member near you that feels comfortable advising you. This is NOT the same thing as having your potential purchase officially TAC'd, but it should help you make a decision on the car. I'm in the Boston area. If you're outside my area, contact Norm Miller,Tom Hall, or Pat King and maybe they can suggest someone close by, should you want help. Good luck. RB From atwittsend at verizon.net Mon Mar 22 11:58:24 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:58:24 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] tiger originality / authenticity References: <8CC97FBD9B5C346-21E0-A2E7@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Ah, Yes, the argument, "Did you put Alpine parts on a Tiger or did you put Tiger parts on an Alpine." The TAC process is a good thing. I believe well intended, well thought out and well executed. On the other hand it is self appointed, self regulated and subjective to those who formed and run it. It is not run by Rootes, nor the government (probably a very good thing). I don't know that there is a definitive line other than their criteria. And, to my knowledge that is not published information. My guess is that you will hear to preserve as much of the original as possible. And from there you will "hope" that your Tiger remains to be seen as a Tiger. Anyway, that is what I heard when I asked similar questions 8-10 years ago. Perhaps a TAC inspector will be willing to offer you more information privately. I can understand and respect why they don't publish standards. In the end it comes down to you thinking you still have a Tiger because you want to see it that way, or a TAC inspection telling you that it is - by their collective (you have to have I believe 3 inspectors present) observation based on their criteria. I believe their primary intention is to disqualify cars that are obviously Alpines with transferred Tiger parts. In the end it could be possible that they may not issue a TAC sticker yet not define the car as an "Alger." In closing I'll say I got all kinds of replies to this question Some warning me to touch nothing (my car was pretty much a basket case). Regardless it was necessary to completely strip the floor/frame to bare metal, make a patch here and there, replace inner sills and rockers, the front clip and I still received my TAC sticker #473. Tom From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Mar 22 12:14:20 2010 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:14:20 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] tiger originality / authenticity In-Reply-To: References: <8CC97FBD9B5C346-21E0-A2E7@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684024CB346@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Part of the issue is that a lot of the (North American) body restoration lingo originated in the body-on-frame days, and when it's applied to unit-construction cars then varying interpretations can carry good or bad connotations depending on where you stand. These are rhetorical questions, by the way: - On an Alpine or Tiger, what's a "front clip" or a "rear clip"? - WTF is a "frame-off restoration"? - "numbers matching"? TAC: TAC only applies to the chassis. Anything that can be unbolted from the chassis is unimportant in the eye of the TAC inspector. TAC concerns stuff that the chassis builder (Pressed Steel and Jensen) either added to the chassis sheetmetal, or stuff that was never installed, to the base bodyshell. TAC also considers the method by which those various pieces were put together or changed. One or two missing details does not negate the presence of a bunch of other details, when those other details are irrefutable evidence of Jensen's handywork. Cheers, Theo ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From cmccann at lwpb.com Mon Mar 22 12:24:48 2010 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:24:48 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] tiger originality / authenticity In-Reply-To: References: <8CC97FBD9B5C346-21E0-A2E7@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BD9FF7A9B@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> "... but am looking at another car that has a repaired floor and repaired trunk floor........" I told myself I wouldn't say anything because when I got started on my car I remember asking this same question, and the list beat the subject to death..and has since several times and that's just in the few years that I have been involved remotely. BUT, I can't leave it completely alone so I will say this: IMHO, just about any car outside of the southwest that was driven on the street has had some level of floor pan or trunk repair from rust. I cannot fathom, from anyone's perspective, that replacing floor pans or a trunk pan would take away its authenticity whatsoever. I agree with Tom that the system is there to validate Tigers, and that they are often TAC'd with far more extensive repairs than that. So I would consider that the defining factor from the communities perspective as a whole. But, like Rande said, ultimately you are the most important person that has to be comfortable with it. I'm getting on my soapbox for a minute. This thought is just a rant and directed at NO ONE, just ..."the system" so please no one be offended. I have actually been dealing with this on another collector car issue and I'm throwing it out there for you guys to ponder.....or criticize. This subject plaques my thoughts because I see a real dynamic in the community of these cars and others with historical following. There are many subtle levels of cars' conditions. Some are time capsules, perfect in every way (and congrats to you guys who own them) Some are rusty, some have had collisions, some were raced and their battle scars are celebrated, some were street cars with no history and their SAME history is less desirable because they didn't incur their damage while competing. Some have been heavily modified, either years ago or presently. And what I see is that people want to clearly define exactly what that car is now....and have we passed that point of being true to the car or not, etc. Frankly, I've given up on it. Cars are evolutionary, and they are a representation of the history that surrounds them. A patch panel here or there to resolve....LIFE. Nobody is going to take away what my car is to me because of a self appointed label with no clear definition based on a intangible comparison to the "perfect car"...when that car basically doesn't exist. Some guys have cars that are more correct than others, but if you have replaced your headlight ring then you have deviated from something, somewhere, whether it is admitted or not. And some of us don't buy the most prestigious car for sale. Some of us buy the rusty, tired, wrecked, dented projects to save them, because we can, and because we want to be a part of something bigger. And we would prefer to not have our cars looked down on because they have had more extensive work than the aforementioned time capsule..locked away in a bubble all its life, hidden from the elements and hidden from the life that pantina'd its fenders or corroded its floor pans. That was the same corrosion that came as a result of having been caught in the rain with your grandkids on the way back from Disneyland. Am I ashamed of my rusty floor pans? No way in hell... ok, I'm done. .......Thanks for listening, tune in next week. Cullen B382001452 LROFE From m_dangelo at verizon.net Mon Mar 22 12:59:13 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (m_dangelo at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:59:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Tigers] tiger originality / authenticity Message-ID: <1312116249.1171600.1269287953410.JavaMail.root@vms181.mailsrvcs.net> From achd73 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 22 13:38:21 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] tiger originality / authenticity In-Reply-To: <1312116249.1171600.1269287953410.JavaMail.root@vms181.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <379567.3302.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> M- No message was with your post. Thought I would let U know in case U had something important to ask or to tell everyone else. TtT From m_dangelo at verizon.net Mon Mar 22 13:44:16 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (m_dangelo at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:44:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Tigers] tiger originality / authenticity Message-ID: <45883899.1174845.1269290656350.JavaMail.root@vms181.mailsrvcs.net> From awtiger at cox.net Mon Mar 22 14:17:15 2010 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:17:15 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] tiger originality / authenticity In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BD9FF7A9B@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: <20100322171715.YF64O.845768.imail@eastrmwml49> Here, here, Cullen!!!! Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 B9006857LRX ---- Cullen McCann wrote: > "... but am looking at another car that has a repaired floor and repaired > trunk floor........" > > I told myself I wouldn't say anything because when I got started on my car I > remember asking this same question, and the list beat the subject to > death..and has since several times and that's just in the few years that I > have been involved remotely. BUT, I can't leave it completely alone so I will > say this: > > IMHO, just about any car outside of the southwest that was driven on the > street has had some level of floor pan or trunk repair from rust. I cannot > fathom, from anyone's perspective, that replacing floor pans or a trunk pan > would take away its authenticity whatsoever. I agree with Tom that the system > is there to validate Tigers, and that they are often TAC'd with far more > extensive repairs than that. So I would consider that the defining factor from > the communities perspective as a whole. But, like Rande said, ultimately you > are the most important person that has to be comfortable with it. > > I'm getting on my soapbox for a minute. This thought is just a rant and > directed at NO ONE, just ..."the system" so please no one be offended. I have > actually been dealing with this on another collector car issue and I'm > throwing it out there for you guys to ponder.....or criticize. > > This subject plaques my thoughts because I see a real dynamic in the community > of these cars and others with historical following. There are many subtle > levels of cars' conditions. Some are time capsules, perfect in every way (and > congrats to you guys who own them) Some are rusty, some have had collisions, > some were raced and their battle scars are celebrated, some were street cars > with no history and their SAME history is less desirable because they didn't > incur their damage while competing. Some have been heavily modified, either > years ago or presently. And what I see is that people want to clearly define > exactly what that car is now....and have we passed that point of being true to > the car or not, etc. Frankly, I've given up on it. Cars are evolutionary, and > they are a representation of the history that surrounds them. A patch panel > here or there to resolve....LIFE. Nobody is going to take away what my car is > to me because of a self appointed label with no clear definition based on a > intangible comparison to the "perfect car"...when that car basically doesn't > exist. Some guys have cars that are more correct than others, but if you have > replaced your headlight ring then you have deviated from something, somewhere, > whether it is admitted or not. And some of us don't buy the most prestigious > car for sale. Some of us buy the rusty, tired, wrecked, dented projects to > save them, because we can, and because we want to be a part of something > bigger. And we would prefer to not have our cars looked down on because they > have had more extensive work than the aforementioned time capsule..locked away > in a bubble all its life, hidden from the elements and hidden from the life > that pantina'd its fenders or corroded its floor pans. That was the same > corrosion that came as a result of having been caught in the rain with your > grandkids on the way back from Disneyland. Am I ashamed of my rusty floor > pans? No way in hell... > > ok, I'm done. .......Thanks for listening, tune in next week. > > Cullen > B382001452 LROFE > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger at cox.net From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Mar 22 15:44:45 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:44:45 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Soft tops In-Reply-To: <306598.38329.qm@web114108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <306598.38329.qm@web114108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I believe some of the LATE MKI's had the IA/SV style soft top, as in velcro attachments not the tensino cable.. check the type you have. On 23 March 2010 04:57, Steve Ralsten wrote: > I want to replace my soft top before Tigers United. Interested in staying > as > close as possible to factory orig. Car is a very late Mk1 with square doors > and hood but round trunk lid, what Norm calls a transition car. Are there > any > diffences in the soft top hardware between Mk 1 and 1A that would affect my > order of new material ? If so how do I spot the difference ? What top is > most > like original top ? > > Thanks > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Mar 22 15:50:18 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:50:18 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] tiger originality / authenticity In-Reply-To: <20100322171715.YF64O.845768.imail@eastrmwml49> References: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BD9FF7A9B@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> <20100322171715.YF64O.845768.imail@eastrmwml49> Message-ID: TAC, I believe in the TAC program, i think it encourgaes people to restore the cars without rebodying.. there is a lot of ways you can probably dodge it bit not many people know enough about the small details of the manufacturing process.. so overall I think that it helps keep tigers as tigers. As for how modified/repaired a tiger can be.. truth is.. very.. floors, sills etc dont really effect it.. what they are looking for is METHODOLOGY. Is the car inquestion showing signs of the methods used to make a Tiger? You can be missing some asspects of a TAC inspection.. but the others will show the car has traces left from the Jensen line.. these are the things that differenciate a tiger body from an alpine.. you can make these marks in an alpine body.. but the techniques the factory used also leave a mark.. hence the ability to ID them from recent work. -- Regards Michael King From modtiger at comcast.net Mon Mar 22 16:14:49 2010 From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:14:49 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] tiger originality / authenticity In-Reply-To: References: <8CC97FBD9B5C346-21E0-A2E7@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20100322160455.05439820@comcast.net> At 11:58 AM 3/22/2010, you wrote: >I believe their primary intention is to disqualify cars that are >obviously Alpines with transferred Tiger parts. In the end it could >be possible that they may not issue a TAC sticker yet not define the >car as an "Alger." For the umpteenth time, No one in the TAC community ever labels anything with it's certification other than Tigers. The failing of a TAC inspection in no way brands the vehicle as an "Alger" or any other "thing". There are other considerations, but body panels, floor panels, etc. are not normally reasons for TAC rejection. Be aware that attempting to convert an early Tiger into a MkII for its potential increase in value, is also not viewed as an appropriate "repair". Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net Mon Mar 22 16:16:25 2010 From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:16:25 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Hard top glass In-Reply-To: References: <20100322173512.190FB187658@autox.team.net> <9E11C8CD-DF8C-4512-902E-B4AF7DA4CB29@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4BA7FA49.30402@cox.net> Hi Paul: I think it was the Nova windshield. My Tiger had a glass rear window and I'd also heard that it was from a Chevy Nova. Mine had the blue stripe across the top of the window--that's why I believe it was formerly a windshield. Best Regards David Sosna (Still lurking about) Paul Burr wrote: > I remember way back seeing a Tiger with a glass back window. The glass > was a cut down 1970's Chevy Nova rear window. I was told that the > Nova's glass had a curve that matched the Tiger HT. > > Paul > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4966 (20100322) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Mar 22 16:24:51 2010 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:24:51 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Hard top glass In-Reply-To: <4BA7FA49.30402@cox.net> References: <20100322173512.190FB187658@autox.team.net><9E11C8CD-DF8C-4512-902E-B4AF7DA4CB29@comcast.net> <4BA7FA49.30402@cox.net> Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684024CB427@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Rear or side glass is usually made of tempered glass and that's pretty much impossible to cut or drill without having it shatter into a million pieces. Laminated safety glass as used for windshields can be cut, so that would be more likely as a source. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Sosna > Sent: March 22, 2010 5:16 PM > To: Tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hard top glass > > Hi Paul: > I think it was the Nova windshield. > My Tiger had a glass rear window and I'd also heard that it was from a > Chevy Nova. > Mine had the blue stripe across the top of the window--that's why I > believe it was formerly a windshield. > > Best Regards > David Sosna > (Still lurking about) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From m_dangelo at verizon.net Mon Mar 22 16:32:11 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:32:11 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] tiger originality / authenticity In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20100322160455.05439820@comcast.net> Message-ID: It is quite disgusting to think that there are people would actually convert a car of any kind for the purpose of stealing money from the poor buyer who thinks he or she is getting the real deal, whatever that might be. The fact that the TAC program exists is nothing more than a testament to the lowlifes who would create bogus Tigers to make a profit on some poor guy who will never get his money back. I got mine TACed so that my car will forever be branded for what it is (a MK1A), even though I won't be selling it. I would recommend to everybody to get their cars TACed. It would be really nice to be able to get all surviving Tigers in the world on the registry. The opposite side of the spectrum is the guy who frowns at a car because the owner has made small, reversible changes to personalize a car to his or her liking. I say do what you want to your own car, as long as you don't do anything that can't be reversed. If it needs repairs, major or minor, repair it, though. Mauro On 3/22/10 7:14 PM, "Tom Hall" wrote: > At 11:58 AM 3/22/2010, you wrote: >> I believe their primary intention is to disqualify cars that are >> obviously Alpines with transferred Tiger parts. In the end it could >> be possible that they may not issue a TAC sticker yet not define the >> car as an "Alger." > > For the umpteenth time, No one in the TAC community ever labels > anything with it's certification other than Tigers. The failing of a > TAC inspection in no way brands the vehicle as an "Alger" or any > other "thing". There are other considerations, but body panels, > floor panels, etc. are not normally reasons for TAC rejection. Be > aware that attempting to convert an early Tiger into a MkII for its > potential increase in value, is also not viewed as an appropriate "repair". > > > Tom Hall > ModTiger Engineering LLC > www.tigerengineering.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/m_dangelo at verizon.net From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Mar 22 16:38:42 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:38:42 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] tiger originality / authenticity In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.0.16.2.20100322160455.05439820@comcast.net> Message-ID: Mauro, Not all the conversinos are from people trying to pass the cars off as real.. when they were cheap cars (70's and 80's) it was a more economical way of repairing them.. swap the parts out, thogh these cars were done quickly and the owners did not care for the smaller details of a factory build.. at the time not an issue.. perhaps later if they then sell the car on without disclosing it as a rebody. I also have no issue with algers if they are open about what they are.. selling them off as real cars is fraud.. converting one and being open about it is fine.. I'd hazard a guess that the early conversion done just to keep the car on the road are quite easy to spot as the owners were more interested in a V8 engined sports car than an investment. Now.. converting a car these days and swapping the tiger tags onto it... not much qustion of what is trying to go on.. -- Regards Michael King From spook01 at comcast.net Mon Mar 22 17:48:40 2010 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:48:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?tiger_originality_/_authenticity?= Message-ID: <20100323004841.0DC0118767B@autox.team.net> Yeah except I remember all the discussion when the idea of tac came about. The reason for tac is and was about preserving value. Bucks. All this altruistic crap is pretty amusing. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "MAURO D'ANGELO" Date: Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:32 PM Subject: [Tigers] tiger originality / authenticity To: "Tom Hall" , "Thomas Witt" Cc: It is quite disgusting to think that there are people would actually convert a car of any kind for the purpose of stealing money from the poor buyer who thinks he or she is getting the real deal, whatever that might be. The fact that the TAC program exists is nothing more than a testament to the lowlifes who would create bogus Tigers to make a profit on some poor guy who will never get his money back. I got mine TACed so that my car will forever be branded for what it is (a MK1A), even though I won't be selling it. I would recommend to everybody to get their cars TACed. It would be really nice to be able to get all surviving Tigers in the world on the registry. The opposite side of the spectrum is the guy who frowns at a car because the owner has made small, reversible changes to personalize a car to his or her liking. I say do what you want to your own car, as long as you don't do anything that can't be reversed. If it needs repairs, major or minor, repair it, though. Mauro On 3/22/10 7:14 PM, "Tom Hall" wrote: > At 11:58 AM 3/22/2010, you wrote: >> I believe their primary intention is to disqualify cars that are >> obviously Alpines with transferred Tiger parts. In the end it could >> be possible that they may not issue a TAC sticker yet not define the >> car as an "Alger." > > For the umpteenth time, No one in the TAC community ever labels > anything with it's certification other than Tigers. The failing of a > TAC inspection in no way brands the vehicle as an "Alger" or any > other "thing". There are other considerations, but body panels, > floor panels, etc. are not normally reasons for TAC rejection. Be > aware that attempting to convert an early Tiger into a MkII for its > potential increase in value, is also not viewed as an appropriate "repair". > > > Tom Hall > ModTiger Engineering LLC > www.tigerengineering.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/m_dangelo at verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/spook01 at comcast.net From MWood24020 at aol.com Mon Mar 22 16:50:04 2010 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:50:04 EDT Subject: [Tigers] tiger originality / authenticity Message-ID: <37a0a.7807ee7f.38d95c2c@aol.com> True enough, at one time it made economic sense to combine a good Alpine unibody with your Tiger parts to make a fun driver. But, these days there's basically zero reason besides fraud to go down that path...if you have a suitable Alpine candidate and some Tiger parts, it makes much more sense to sell off the Tiger parts and use the proceeds to put together a better balanced package, using a late model, twin cam 16V 4 cylinder motor ;-) Sacrilegious in Alamo, Mike btw, TAC has been an incredible boon to the Tiger community and we all should thank the "usual suspects" who have carried the flag for their contribution to the marque. I was there in the beginning and I can promise you that it was a contentious process...but out of that debate came a program that, while not perfect, has achieved (perhaps) more than any involved at the time might have imagined. In a message dated 3/22/2010 4:42:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, michael.s.king at gmail.com writes: Mauro, Not all the conversinos are from people trying to pass the cars off as real.. when they were cheap cars (70's and 80's) it was a more economical way of repairing them.. swap the parts out, thogh these cars were done quickly and the owners did not care for the smaller details of a factory build.. at the time not an issue.. perhaps later if they then sell the car on without disclosing it as a rebody. I also have no issue with algers if they are open about what they are.. selling them off as real cars is fraud.. converting one and being open about it is fine.. I'd hazard a guess that the early conversion done just to keep the car on the road are quite easy to spot as the owners were more interested in a V8 engined sports car than an investment. Now.. converting a car these days and swapping the tiger tags onto it... not much qustion of what is trying to go on.. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020 at aol.com From MWood24020 at aol.com Mon Mar 22 16:52:03 2010 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:52:03 EDT Subject: [Tigers] tiger originality / authenticity Message-ID: <37c29.7be330aa.38d95ca3@aol.com> That is utter horseshit. When TAC came into existence, Tigers weren't worth enough to justify your assertion. It was about preserving the integrity of the marque. In a message dated 3/22/2010 4:49:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, spook01 at comcast.net writes: Yeah except I remember all the discussion when the idea of tac came about. The reason for tac is and was about preserving value. Bucks. All this altruistic crap is pretty amusing. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "MAURO D'ANGELO" Date: Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:32 PM Subject: [Tigers] tiger originality / authenticity To: "Tom Hall" , "Thomas Witt" Cc: It is quite disgusting to think that there are people would actually convert a car of any kind for the purpose of stealing money from the poor buyer who thinks he or she is getting the real deal, whatever that might be. The fact that the TAC program exists is nothing more than a testament to the lowlifes who would create bogus Tigers to make a profit on some poor guy who will never get his money back. I got mine TACed so that my car will forever be branded for what it is (a MK1A), even though I won't be selling it. I would recommend to everybody to get their cars TACed. It would be really nice to be able to get all surviving Tigers in the world on the registry. The opposite side of the spectrum is the guy who frowns at a car because the owner has made small, reversible changes to personalize a car to his or her liking. I say do what you want to your own car, as long as you don't do anything that can't be reversed. If it needs repairs, major or minor, repair it, though. Mauro On 3/22/10 7:14 PM, "Tom Hall" wrote: > At 11:58 AM 3/22/2010, you wrote: >> I believe their primary intention is to disqualify cars that are >> obviously Alpines with transferred Tiger parts. In the end it could >> be possible that they may not issue a TAC sticker yet not define the >> car as an "Alger." > > For the umpteenth time, No one in the TAC community ever labels > anything with it's certification other than Tigers. The failing of a > TAC inspection in no way brands the vehicle as an "Alger" or any > other "thing". There are other considerations, but body panels, > floor panels, etc. are not normally reasons for TAC rejection. Be > aware that attempting to convert an early Tiger into a MkII for its > potential increase in value, is also not viewed as an appropriate "repair". > > > Tom Hall > ModTiger Engineering LLC > www.tigerengineering.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/m_dangelo at verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http:/ /autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/spook01 at comcast.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020 at aol.com From m_dangelo at verizon.net Mon Mar 22 17:04:00 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:04:00 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] tiger originality / authenticity In-Reply-To: <0KZP00GGGJHWL2I1@vms172047.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Yeah, well, actually, altruism means caring about others. What I am talking about it NOT caring about or for others. In fact, I9m talking about slime balls who I think should be put onto a deserted island within the polar circle. I think the reason the TAC is important is to preserve the integrity of the real cars. If the monetary value of the real cars is supported by the registry, that9s an added bonus. But how does that figure into this with people who have no intention of selling their cars? Hey Spook...where are you located? Mauro On 3/22/10 7:49 PM, "spook01 at comcast.net" wrote: > Yeah except I remember all the discussion when the idea of tac came about. > The reason for tac is and was about preserving value. Bucks. > All this altruistic crap is pretty amusing. > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "MAURO D'ANGELO" > Date: Mon, Mar 22, 2010 6:32 PM > Subject: [Tigers] tiger originality / authenticity > To: "Tom Hall" , "Thomas Witt" > Cc: > > > It is quite disgusting to think that there are people would actually convert > a car of any kind for the purpose of stealing money from the poor buyer who > thinks he or she is getting the real deal, whatever that might be. The fact > that the TAC program exists is nothing more than a testament to the lowlifes > who would create bogus Tigers to make a profit on some poor guy who will > never get his money back. I got mine TACed so that my car will forever be > branded for what it is (a MK1A), even though I won't be selling it. I would > recommend to everybody to get their cars TACed. It would be really nice to > be able to get all surviving Tigers in the world on the registry. > > The opposite side of the spectrum is the guy who frowns at a car because the > owner has made small, reversible changes to personalize a car to his or her > liking. I say do what you want to your own car, as long as you don't do > anything that can't be reversed. If it needs repairs, major or minor, > repair it, though. Mauro > > > On 3/22/10 7:14 PM, "Tom Hall" wrote: > >> > At 11:58 AM 3/22/2010, you wrote: >>> >> I believe their primary intention is to disqualify cars that are >>> >> obviously Alpines with transferred Tiger parts. In the end it could >>> >> be possible that they may not issue a TAC sticker yet not define the >>> >> car as an "Alger." >> > >> > For the umpteenth time, No one in the TAC community ever labels >> > anything with it's certification other than Tigers. The failing of a >> > TAC inspection in no way brands the vehicle as an "Alger" or any >> > other "thing". There are other considerations, but body panels, >> > floor panels, etc. are not normally reasons for TAC rejection. Be >> > aware that attempting to convert an early Tiger into a MkII for its >> > potential increase in value, is also not viewed as an appropriate "repair". >> > >> > >> > Tom Hall >> > ModTiger Engineering LLC >> > www.tigerengineering.net >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Tigers at autox.team.net >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/m_dangelo at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/spook01 at comcast.net From dsmtjoy at cox.net Mon Mar 22 17:28:16 2010 From: dsmtjoy at cox.net (Mountjoy) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:28:16 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] JUST TO STIR THE POT... References: Message-ID: <03921F6076E24C66B618C8FC0350317A@computer> The TAC thread is interesting, and I do believe in the TAC process, but just for interest... Does anyone know of any incidences of Tigines, Tigers that were down-sized to Alpine or othr specs ? ? Darrell From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Mar 22 17:34:27 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:34:27 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] JUST TO STIR THE POT... In-Reply-To: <03921F6076E24C66B618C8FC0350317A@computer> References: <03921F6076E24C66B618C8FC0350317A@computer> Message-ID: Oh there was the famous Tipine here in AU.. Some unscrouplous owner converted a MKII tiger into a SV alpine with overdrive and wires.. while on the surface it appeared to be a nice resotred SV.. if you looked closer you could see where they had used a plasma cutter to open a hole to weld the battery box, then there were the giveaway signs of the welded up holes in the vertical spare wheel well from the tigers fuel lines and the marks on the firewalls where the alpien tunnel had been pacthed in.. eventually the fraud was exposed and the owner got what he deserved.. :P On 23 March 2010 11:28, Mountjoy wrote: > The TAC thread is interesting, and I do believe in the TAC process, but > just for interest... Does anyone know of any incidences of Tigines, Tigers > that were down-sized to Alpine or othr specs ? ? > > Darrell _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From harryb at elams.org Mon Mar 22 17:36:18 2010 From: harryb at elams.org (Harry Elam) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:36:18 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] TAC's Message-ID: <4BA80D02.5060608@elams.org> Unless things have changed since my TAC training, the inspection team will only tell you that they see enough originality to be convinced that the car was a real Tiger or they don't. It is not beyond possibilities that a real Tiger could have been modified beyond recognition. I, for one doubt this will happen. They should not report that you "for sure" have a Mk-6 with super sport floor mats instead of a Tiger. Harry Elam TAC Inspector 347 B382000471 TAC #0458 From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Mar 22 17:38:25 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:38:25 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] JUST TO STIR THE POT... In-Reply-To: <03921F6076E24C66B618C8FC0350317A@computer> References: <03921F6076E24C66B618C8FC0350317A@computer> Message-ID: On a serious note to this question.. there was a south african tiger i remember reading about in one of the brit mags in the early 90's where the owner had given up with the overheating issues and fitted a ford V6 IIRC. It atteneded car shows there (sth afirca)... one would expect that those modifications had been reversed these days given current values. On 23 March 2010 11:28, Mountjoy wrote: > The TAC thread is interesting, and I do believe in the TAC process, but > just for interest... Does anyone know of any incidences of Tigines, Tigers > that were down-sized to Alpine or othr specs ? ? > > -- > Regards > > Michael King From dsmtjoy at cox.net Mon Mar 22 18:13:55 2010 From: dsmtjoy at cox.net (Mountjoy) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:13:55 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] JUST TO STIR THE POT... References: <03921F6076E24C66B618C8FC0350317A@computer> Message-ID: Dunno. I'll pose this with those SA peopleI know... ----- Original Message ----- From: michael king To: Mountjoy Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] JUST TO STIR THE POT... On a serious note to this question.. there was a south african tiger i remember reading about in one of the brit mags in the early 90's where the owner had given up with the overheating issues and fitted a ford V6 IIRC. It atteneded car shows there (sth afirca)... one would expect that those modifications had been reversed these days given current values. On 23 March 2010 11:28, Mountjoy wrote: The TAC thread is interesting, and I do believe in the TAC process, but just for interest... Does anyone know of any incidences of Tigines, Tigers that were down-sized to Alpine or othr specs ? ? -- Regards Michael King From andrew.heaton at att.net Mon Mar 22 18:53:55 2010 From: andrew.heaton at att.net (andrew.heaton) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:53:55 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] tiger originality / authenticity References: <8CC97FBD9B5C346-21E0-A2E7@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <005e01caca2b$b328a3f0$4201a8c0@D35F8F61> Tom, I remember your tiger... was it not the black tiger that was at Smitty's for soooo long. Seems to me that when you open the boot you were looking at the ground. Andy San Diego ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Witt" To: Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger originality / authenticity > Ah, Yes, the argument, "Did you put Alpine parts on a Tiger or did you put > Tiger parts on an Alpine." > > The TAC process is a good thing. I believe well intended, well thought out > and well executed. On the other hand it is self appointed, self regulated > and subjective to those who formed and run it. It is not run by Rootes, > nor the government (probably a very good thing). I don't know that there > is a definitive line other than their criteria. And, to my knowledge that > is not published information. > > My guess is that you will hear to preserve as much of the original as > possible. And from there you will "hope" that your Tiger remains to be > seen as a Tiger. Anyway, that is what I heard when I asked similar > questions 8-10 years ago. Perhaps a TAC inspector will be willing to > offer you more information privately. I can understand and respect why > they don't publish standards. > > In the end it comes down to you thinking you still have a Tiger because > you want to see it that way, or a TAC inspection telling you that it is - > by their collective (you have to have I believe 3 inspectors present) > observation based on their criteria. I believe their primary intention is > to disqualify cars that are obviously Alpines with transferred Tiger > parts. In the end it could be possible that they may not issue a TAC > sticker yet not define the car as an "Alger." > > In closing I'll say I got all kinds of replies to this question Some > warning me to touch nothing (my car was pretty much a basket case). > Regardless it was necessary to completely strip the floor/frame to bare > metal, make a patch here and there, replace inner sills and rockers, the > front clip and I still received my TAC sticker #473. > > Tom _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/andrew.heaton at att.net From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Mon Mar 22 20:51:48 2010 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:51:48 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Auto lift Message-ID: <000a01caca3c$2a364a50$7ea2def0$@sgy@cox.net> I want to buy a lift for my garage. My budget is $2K. Anybody own one that they would recommend? How about one you wouldn't recommend? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 Lafayette, LA From bob at rjosten.com Mon Mar 22 21:17:29 2010 From: bob at rjosten.com (Bob Josten) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:17:29 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Auto lift In-Reply-To: <6104716376496318953@unknownmsgid> References: <6104716376496318953@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hi Jim, I did a lot of looking a couple of years ago and ended up buying a couple of Bend-Pak lifts. They are very well made and really not that much more expensive than those that come from China.. One drawback for you might be shipping as they are made here in California. regards Bob On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:51 PM, James E. Pickard wrote: > I want to buy a lift for my garage. My budget is $2K. Anybody own one > that > they would recommend? How about one you wouldn't recommend? Thanks. > > > > Jim Pickard > > B9473298 > > Lafayette, LA > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bob at rjosten.com From atwittsend at verizon.net Mon Mar 22 22:46:00 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:46:00 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] tiger originality / authenticity References: <8CC97FBD9B5C346-21E0-A2E7@Webmail-d113.sysops.aol.com> <7.0.0.16.2.20100322160455.05439820@comcast.net> Message-ID: <46C542894F644799B71BE1B4C22A017C@student2> My apology to anyone in the TAC community if my words appeared to misrepresented the group. >>>In the end it could be possible that they may not issue a TAC sticker yet >>>not define the car as an "Alger."<<< I did not intend to imply that TAC declared cars as Algers. I was merely trying to differentiate a real Tiger that might not show enough evidence (if even possible) to receive a TAC sticker from an Alpine with Tiger parts that is commonly known by the term "Alger." To that end I had initially used the word "declare" in place of "define." On my second read through before I hit Send, I changed it to "define" in hopes of not giving the wrong impression. >>>I believe their primary intention is to disqualify cars that are >>>obviously Alpines with transferred Tiger parts.<<< In the same way the inverse of "disqualify cars that are obviously Alpines with transferred Tiger parts" means that only Tigers received the TAC sticker. We all have different ways of saying the same thing. I'm married. Ask the man who knows. :-) Tom W. I believe their primary intention is to disqualify cars that are obviously Alpines with transferred Tiger parts. In the end it could be possible that they may not issue a TAC sticker yet not define the car as an "Alger." For the umpteenth time, No one in the TAC community ever labels anything with it's certification other than Tigers. The failing of a TAC inspection in no way brands the vehicle as an "Alger" or any other "thing". There are other considerations, but body panels, floor panels, etc. are not normally reasons for TAC rejection. Be aware that attempting to convert an early Tiger into a MkII for its potential increase in value, is also not viewed as an appropriate "repair". Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net From marcsmall at comcast.net Tue Mar 23 03:31:37 2010 From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:31:37 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers and Algers In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BBDF56F55@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.l ocal> References: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BBDF56F55@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: <20100323113126.0F53E187665@autox.team.net> You folks are a bunch of frightened souls. Who cares? Enjoy the drive, Alger or Tiger or whatever. All you guys argue about it the value. Why not enjoy the ride? Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From marcsmall at comcast.net Tue Mar 23 03:31:32 2010 From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:31:32 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers and Algers Message-ID: <20100323113126.22EA7187667@autox.team.net> You folks are a bunch of frightened souls. Who cares? Enjoy the drive, Alger or Tiger or whatever. All you guys argue about it the value. Why not enjoy the ride? Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From m_dangelo at verizon.net Tue Mar 23 03:42:08 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:42:08 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] tiger originality / authenticity In-Reply-To: <46C542894F644799B71BE1B4C22A017C@student2> Message-ID: Tom, Even though the way you first wrote it did leave open a slight possibility of misunderstanding, I knew exactly what you meant the first time. I truly hate to see a guy feel like he's done something wrong when he has not! It's very clear that when and if the TAC inspectors don't find enough evidence to authenticate a particular car, they will just say so and walk away from it -- end of story. It's also very clear that the TAC registry is not meant to list unverifiable or questionable cars in any way. I think the potential liability issues such a (thankfully nonexistent) list would cause would be quite astounding in today's highly litigious society. I think that the way they've been doing TACs is a very fair and safe way to do it. Of course, I realize that opinions like mine are like a certain body part (everybody has one). Cheers. Mauro On 3/23/10 1:46 AM, "Thomas Witt" wrote: > My apology to anyone in the TAC community if my words appeared to > misrepresented the group. > >>>> In the end it could be possible that they may not issue a TAC sticker yet >>>> not define the car as an "Alger."<<< > > I did not intend to imply that TAC declared cars as Algers. I was merely > trying to differentiate a real Tiger that might not show enough evidence (if > even possible) to receive a TAC sticker from an Alpine with Tiger parts that > is commonly known by the term "Alger." To that end I had initially used the > word "declare" in place of "define." On my second read through before I hit > Send, I changed it to "define" in hopes of not giving the wrong impression. > >>>> I believe their primary intention is to disqualify cars that are >>>> obviously Alpines with transferred Tiger parts.<<< > > In the same way the inverse of "disqualify cars that are obviously Alpines > with transferred Tiger parts" means that only Tigers received the TAC > sticker. > > We all have different ways of saying the same thing. I'm married. Ask the > man who knows. :-) > > Tom W. > I believe their primary intention is to disqualify cars that are > obviously Alpines with transferred Tiger parts. In the end it could be > possible that they may not issue a TAC sticker yet not define the car as an > "Alger." > > For the umpteenth time, No one in the TAC community ever labels anything > with it's certification other than Tigers. The failing of a TAC inspection > in no way brands the vehicle as an "Alger" or any other "thing". There are > other considerations, but body panels, floor panels, etc. are not normally > reasons for TAC rejection. Be aware that attempting to convert an early > Tiger into a MkII for its potential increase in value, is also not viewed as > an appropriate "repair". > > > Tom Hall > ModTiger Engineering LLC > www.tigerengineering.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/m_dangelo at verizon.net From arado7 at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 23 04:11:41 2010 From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 04:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] tiger originality / authenticity In-Reply-To: <46C542894F644799B71BE1B4C22A017C@student2> Message-ID: <480299.89378.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have read the mail on this topic. I have a different view. My car is an original survivor,I got it in 1985. I use it but I preserve it. I rebuilt the drive train, seats keeping original upholstery and a repaint to steel using epoxy primer with German lacquer topcoat..hand rubbed.I modified nothing except the dash cubby for radio.. I upgraded suspension and brakes. I use Dot5 and Mobil 1. The originality of this car is to please me. I prize it for I consider it to be one of the most rare Tigers. It has never been chopped , modded personalized or raced. i paid $600 for an air cleaner and installed an original 2 barrel to replace the DPO's 600 cfm 4 barrel. which in 1986 I replaced with a 365cfm 4brl. Holley. I love my car and it's TACd which I like. Not for sale and insured for value. And it has Tiger Tom's superb original pattern exhaust. Original wheels with Parrelli tires. Still has trim rings Thanks, Gary Moore B9472283lxrfe Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/arado7 at sbcglobal.net From srwick at hotmail.com Tue Mar 23 05:08:17 2010 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 05:08:17 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Auto lift In-Reply-To: <000a01caca3c$2a364a50$7ea2def0$@sgy@cox.net> References: <000a01caca3c$2a364a50$7ea2def0$@sgy@cox.net> Message-ID: I bought an 8000 lb, 4 post lift from Direct Lift several years ago. I mainly use it for storage, but it seems well made. Mine came with castors so I could move it around in the shop or you can bolt it down. It also came with the ramps, drip trays and a jack support. I think I paid $1800 for it and another $300 to have it shipped. I put mine together myself with the help of a trolley hoist I have on the ceiling but it's probably really a 2 or 3 person job. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: James E. Pickard To: Tiger List Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:51 PM Subject: [Tigers] Auto lift I want to buy a lift for my garage. My budget is $2K. Anybody own one that they would recommend? How about one you wouldn't recommend? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/srwick at hotmail.com From cmccann at lwpb.com Tue Mar 23 05:16:08 2010 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 07:16:08 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers and Algers In-Reply-To: <20100323113126.22EA7187667@autox.team.net> References: <20100323113126.22EA7187667@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Hey Marc, not saying I disagree, I think enjoying the ride is ultimately the goal. For some that ride is daily, for some it's on warm sunny weekends only. For some the "ride" is watching it remain preserved and untouched. It's not for me to judge what people want to do with their cars. And frankly, all are acceptable to me. I respect the decision of any owner who is in it for the love of the "ride" as we are. My original email on the subject was more targeting the issue of metal replacement such as floor pans and trunk pans on tigers, and how it should not take away its legitimacy or label as a tiger. NOW... I do agree however in the process of establishing a known difference between tigers and everything else. I admit, I want my tiger's value protected. I bought a tiger because I am a fan of the car, and it's NOT the same to me as an alpine, Alger or anything else. I agree with TAC'ing and the process of distinguishing authenticity. So in response to your comment about who cares, I do care about that, personally. Again that's my choice. Cullen Sent from my mobile... On Mar 23, 2010, at 5:32 AM, "Marc James Small" wrote: > You folks are a bunch of frightened souls. Who > cares? Enjoy the drive, Alger or Tiger or > whatever. All you guys argue about it the value. Why not enjoy the > ride? > > Marc From m_dangelo at verizon.net Tue Mar 23 06:20:24 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (m_dangelo at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:20:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tigers and Algers Message-ID: <1464414549.1221117.1269350424578.JavaMail.root@vms124.mailsrvcs.net> From mark.rense at ge.com Tue Mar 23 06:20:43 2010 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:20:43 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Auto lift In-Reply-To: <000a01caca3c$2a364a50$7ea2def0$@sgy@cox.net> References: <000a01caca3c$2a364a50$7ea2def0$@sgy@cox.net> Message-ID: Jim, I've helped several friends assemble various lifts over the years, I agree that the BendPak lifts offer good value for the money, they are only about $500 more than the imports and the two I've assembled went together without much hassle, and both units seemed pretty stout. They also make a narrow version for smaller cars. I am considering buying one as well. http://www.asedeals.com/garage_lift.html There are a bunch of super-cheap import ones from eBay and places like Harbor Freight, they include all sorts of "free" accessories to entice you. I helped a friend build one he bought from a established eBay seller over the winter. It took a grinder and my TIG welder to make it go together, the fit was that poor. He was only using it for winter storage, so it may be OK, but I saw a noticeable difference in the pulley systems, locking system, and the hydraulic package over the USA-made units. Not sure if I'd want to be under it when pulling and yanking a motor back into my Tiger. Just one engineer's opinion. Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James E. Pickard Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:52 PM To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] Auto lift I want to buy a lift for my garage. My budget is $2K. Anybody own one that they would recommend? How about one you wouldn't recommend? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 Lafayette, LA From garywinblad at comcast.net Tue Mar 23 06:28:45 2010 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:28:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Auto lift In-Reply-To: <000a01caca3c$2a364a50$7ea2def0$@sgy@cox.net> Message-ID: <93781602.4072571269350925355.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> My buddy and I bought Superior lifts (4 post) from these guys: http://www.superlifts.com/ They have worked out great for ten years now. Mostly for storage except it sure comes in handy for Tiger engine jobs, don't think I could have done it myself without it. Two tips, don't bother with the wheels but do get aluminum ramps. I finally last summer got around to bolting it to the walls, makes it much sturdier and hopefully will help it survive the earthquakes. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: James E. Pickard To: Tiger List Sent: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 03:51:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Auto lift I want to buy a lift for my garage. My budget is $2K. Anybody own one that they would recommend? How about one you wouldn't recommend? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 Lafayette, LA From crbernardino at mac.com Tue Mar 23 06:46:38 2010 From: crbernardino at mac.com (Carlo Bernardino) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:46:38 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] TAC'd off Message-ID: <30154003857150533405018771475923672477-Webmail@me.com> All this talk has got me TAC'd off. I actually emailed a response to this stream but it bounced back. As a person who bought their Tiger off their dad, I thought the pedigree was sound. However, I am no expert and having the car TAC'd in atlanta was reassuring. It was also educational allowing me to better understand the nuances of my particular car. If the TACers had all the time and resources in the world, an welcome service would be to TAC specific part replacements, with the understanding that OEM trumps all, but a stamp from the TAC would make the part acceptible and of specific high quality, etc. In turn they could charge a nominal fee to the manufacturer of said part... TACing is similar to board certification or licensure - it gives people reassurance of the quality of a product. In this case, the TAC ensures those who have legit Tigers are recognized versus those who do not. Now perhaps if an actual document existed with what they (the TACers) look for to TAC a car, akin to the Book of Norm without the pricetag, that would also be helpful. You may argue if that info were in print, it would be easier to make a fake Tiger, but I think the benefit outways this risk. My rusty two cents... Rob in CT, Tiger in storage... C. Robert Bernardino, MD FACS Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Residency Program Director Ophthalmic Plastics and Orbital Surgery Yale University School of Medicine 40 Temple Street, 3rd Floor New Haven, CT 06510 W: 203 785-2020 F: 203 785-5909 From arado7 at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 23 07:11:43 2010 From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 07:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] tiger originality / authenticity In-Reply-To: <791749.62818.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <784026.16524.qm@web82702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tony, I use Hagerty. Agent is John Engle. A sunbeamer. Very good service, fair cost Gary Moore B9472283 --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger originality / authenticity To: arado7 at sbcglobal.net Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 12:05 PM Gary- Im insurance shopping- who is youur Tiger insured with. I glad you have such a neat car. I kind of view the discussions as something to read about Beams, so Im happy about any subject. Cheers, TonytheTiger From: "arado7 at sbcglobal.net" To: Thomas Witt Cc: "tigers at autox.team.net" Sent: Tue, March 23, 2010 6:11:41 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger originality / authenticity I have read the mail on this topic. I have a different view. My car is an original survivor,I got it in 1985. I use it but I preserve it. I rebuilt the drive train, seats keeping original upholstery and a repaint to steel using epoxy primer with German lacquer topcoat..hand rubbed.I modified nothing except the dash cubby for radio.. I upgraded suspension and brakes. I use Dot5 and Mobil 1. The originality of this car is to please me. I prize it for I consider it to be one of the most rare Tigers. It has never been chopped , modded personalized or raced. i paid $600 for an air cleaner and installed an original 2 barrel to replace the DPO's 600 cfm 4 barrel. which in 1986 I replaced with a 365cfm 4brl. Holley. I love my car and it's TACd which I like. Not for sale and insured for value. And it has Tiger Tom's superb original pattern exhaust. Original wheels with Parrelli tires. Still has trim rings Thanks, Gary Moore B9472283lxrfe Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/arado7 at sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com Tue Mar 23 07:17:53 2010 From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com (Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:17:53 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] oil pipe adapter? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Gents, The Tiger remote oil pipe attaches to the block adapter with BSPP (British Standard Pipe Parallel) fittings. I want to use the OEM block adapter because my old CAT headers are 1" from the block. Does anyone have a source for an adapter to change this to a NPT or dash8 which is common today? thanks, Paul From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Mar 23 07:27:05 2010 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:27:05 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] TAC'd off In-Reply-To: <30154003857150533405018771475923672477-Webmail@me.com> References: <30154003857150533405018771475923672477-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684024CB462@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Hi Carlo, I'm not a TAC inspector but here's my view: A TAC certification implies that the bodyshell was originally assembled as a Tiger chassis, at the Rootes and Jensen factories. Replacement of the chassis sheetmetal with different sheetmetal can't change that fact, unless so much sheetmetal is removed from the original chassis that it's hard to tell whether the original chassis was an Alpine or a Tiger. >From a structural integrity point of view, the quality or origin of replacement panels is generally less important than how well they are integrated into the chassis and body structure, so it would be hard to classify a piece of sheetmetal by itself as having sufficient goodness to be worthy of being put on a Tiger. By definition, any piece of replacement sheetmetal, regardless of its source (even if it came from another Tiger), is not "authentic" as defined by TAC. This doesn't mean, however, that you shouldn't fix your Tiger's structural issues if (when) it has them. Beyond establishing the chassis provenance, TAC doesn't score or rate your Tiger. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > > If the TACers had all the time and resources in the world, an welcome > service would be to TAC specific part replacements, with the > understanding that OEM trumps all, but a stamp from the TAC would make > the part acceptible and of specific high quality, etc. In turn they > could charge a nominal fee to the manufacturer of said part... > > TACing is similar to board certification or licensure - it gives people > reassurance of the quality of a product. In this case, the TAC ensures > those who have legit Tigers are recognized versus those who do not. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Mar 23 07:28:55 2010 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:28:55 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] oil pipe adapter? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684024CB465@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Did you try Pegasus Racing's catalog? http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/ Theo > -----Original Message----- > Does anyone have a source for an adapter to change this to a NPT or > dash8 > which is common today? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From rande at thecia.net Tue Mar 23 07:58:09 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:58:09 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] A BOT (Book of TAC) Message-ID: <4ba8d701.1921.0@thecia.net> Hi, With respect to publishing a Book of TAC, let me be as TAC'd full as possible. I think the eminent Tiger Authentication Committee is going to say something on the order of (for the time being), 'DAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN'. If you want to be a TAC inspector, contact the usual suspects(Tom Hall, Patrick King from STOA)or come to the TEAE United in Maine in October, where there is sure to be a TAC team based on the East Coast in attendance. If you just need to be a student of the differences between Alpines and Tigers, there is that bargain tome Book of Norman,which flys off eBay periodically for between 800-1200 $US a copy. You could also check the differences between Alpines and Tigers for yourself at any United (the above Maine one, and the West Coast one in June in Santa Rosa,CA)and compare your car, a known TAC'd quantity, with the others. I know you may have done a few Uniteds, but it might take a few more to get a feel for the differences. RB From John.Dillman at PUBLICANS.com Tue Mar 23 08:26:04 2010 From: John.Dillman at PUBLICANS.com (John Dillman) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:26:04 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Auto lift Message-ID: Jim, I looked and looked at lifts a couple of years ago .. . Bear in mind that specs and prices will change over time. I did have the benefit of having used a friend's equipment a lot, so I knew his Challenger 2 post and his Bend Pack 4 post pretty well. I liked his Bend Pack for the construction, as it is sturdy. That said, he got the expensive one, and the cheaper ones I have seen look just like many others. I do not like it for the locks. You have to have air to release the locks, and his shop isn't plumbed for air. Yet. I wound up getting Direct Lift lifts (2 of them, actually). The construction is good, and they do what I need them to do. They are comparable in construction to the cheaper Bend Pack lifts, which I understand are made here . . . from Chinese parts . .. I also got a bridge jack, and don't use it enough to justify the money. The casters are nice, though, and I think they are separate with some lifts. I got mine from Greg Smith, and they have a good website and an ebay presence, as well. The ebay prices should give you a good idea as to their bottom dollar when you call. Where you buy may be influenced by shipping and sales tax. I paid a little more shipping (from GA, I think), but didn't have to pay sales tax as if I had gotten them from a Dallas dealer. I had them shipped to a terminal, and got a roll back to pick them up and drop them off (sounds easier than it was) at my warehouse. I also hear good things about DanMar lifts, for another cheaper alternative. Good luck, you'll LOVE whatever you get. If you make it to Houston, you are welcome to play with mine (just don't put the E-type antenna through the ceiling . . . ) John Dillman From crbernardino at mac.com Tue Mar 23 08:32:16 2010 From: crbernardino at mac.com (Carlo Bernardino) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:32:16 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] A BOT (Book of TAC) In-Reply-To: <3952700390354296946973381493578496464-Webmail@me.com> References: <3952700390354296946973381493578496464-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <141613356855446165197132379232601249955-Webmail@me.com> You are probably right and that is a shame. I have no desire or time to be a TACer - perhaps in another life. However, it would be nice to be as knowledgeable as possible about Tigers. When you go to other car shows and see the 'knowledgeable' guy about his her mark it makes their whole mark more 'valuable'. A TAC'dfull book would go a long way to elevating the knowledge base of the average Tiger owner and in turn raise the awareness of our brand. The book of Norm - prices, don't get me started. Certainly the BON does do this in part, but I am not going to spend that type of money when I could use it to keep my car on the road. A TE/AE member was kind to lend me a copy, but to be a good citizen I did not xerox the book or forward it to Google for scanning. Finally, this apparent inability to share except at the local club level or on these forums is why there are few young people looking into our cars, etc. I will bet I am the youngest of the group here and I do not feel particularly young. Do we have any 20 year olds interested in Tigers - doubt it. Other British makes - absolutely in part because the info of these makes is easily available. BTW never been to a United - that was my dad. Rob C. Robert Bernardino, MD FACS Associate Professor of Ophthalmology Residency Program Director Ophthalmic Plastics and Orbital Surgery Yale University School of Medicine 40 Temple Street, 3rd Floor New Haven, CT 06510 W: 203 785-2020 F: 203 785-5909 On Tuesday, March 23, 2010, at 10:58AM, "rande" wrote: > >Hi, > >With respect to publishing a Book of TAC, let me be as TAC'd full as possible. >I think the eminent Tiger Authentication Committee is going to say something >on the order of (for the time being), >'DAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN'. > >If you want to be a TAC inspector, contact the usual suspects(Tom Hall, Patrick >King from STOA)or come to the TEAE United in Maine in October, where there is >sure to be a TAC team based on the East Coast in attendance. > >If you just need to be a student of the differences between Alpines and Tigers, >there is that bargain tome Book of Norman,which flys off eBay periodically for >between 800-1200 >$US a copy. > >You could also check the differences between Alpines and Tigers for yourself >at any United (the above Maine one, and the West Coast one in June in Santa >Rosa,CA)and compare your car, a known TAC'd quantity, with the others. I know >you may have done a few Uniteds, but it might take a few more to get a feel >for the differences. > >RB From djoh797014 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 23 09:49:12 2010 From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Pot Stirrer Message-ID: <360101.42224.qm@web111618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hello everyone. I know you have enjoyed my being quiet. I have tried many times to become a TAC inspector for Ill, Ind, and Wisc but can't quite get it done. Time, cost, and heath being the main issues. I agree with what TAC is trying to. But its an impossible task. What makes a Tiger not an Alpine is what the person's opinion is. Tac has their own idea. And they seem to be consistant. What I say is a Tiger is only as good as long as I'm alive. I once was told that most of what people think define a Tiger is not what TAC thinks. It involves things such as where it was first became a car. I was told that your car can pass TAC even if had a Vette motor with Belt drive blower, Tremac 5 Speed, etc. It's what it was when built not what it is after 40+ years. What about Tigers like Patten' s Tiger. There's not much Tiger left. But is and always will be a Tiger with its fiberglass doors, fenders, hood, trunk, race motor, tube chassis, coil over suspension, etc. When people see it on the track you hear "what's that little white car?' the response is 'That's a Tiger and its fast'. And after 40 years in the salt belt, sheet metal is an issue. What about Uncle Wally's Tiger which had it rear sheet metal replaced. Are you going to tell me its not a Tiger? To further stir the pot. Sunbeam did not make all the sheet metal. I have a NOS set of outer rocker panels complete with a Chrysler Parts Sticker. According to Uncle Wally they were made in Michigan. All of the late replacement bumpers were also made in Michigan and in fact slightly different. Do all of the other parts made and sold my Chrysler when they owned Sunbeam, disqualify the car as a Sunbeam? My radio has a pentastar with Sunbeam. It's not listed in the Sunbeam Options but it is what Chrysler sold. And this is why TAC does not use that definitive of a Tiger. I agree with has been said. It's my car. Hands off. Don't bad mouth a guys ride or you might get a knuckle sandwich. Speaking of cars. Good chance I'll be drive my Tiger to the IN SAAC Spring Fling. Come see what a poor man can do with a hammer and dolly. Just don't critique too much. Dave From m_dangelo at verizon.net Tue Mar 23 09:51:43 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (m_dangelo at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:51:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Tigers] A BOT (Book of TAC) Message-ID: <1757336609.593184.1269363103711.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net> From awtiger at cox.net Tue Mar 23 10:39:23 2010 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:39:23 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] A BOT (Book of TAC) In-Reply-To: <1757336609.593184.1269363103711.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20100323133923.AP8S9.1030949.imail@eastrmwml36> Is anybody else getting this guy's messages, or is it just me that's missing them??? I've heard of being a man of few words, but this takes the cake ;-) Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 B9006857LRX ---- m_dangelo at verizon.net wrote: > NOTHING!!!!!!! > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger at cox.net From cmccann at lwpb.com Tue Mar 23 10:58:33 2010 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:58:33 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] A BOT (Book of TAC) In-Reply-To: <20100323133923.AP8S9.1030949.imail@eastrmwml36> References: <1757336609.593184.1269363103711.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net> <20100323133923.AP8S9.1030949.imail@eastrmwml36> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BD9FF7D40@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> well, about every other message from Mauro is empty for me.... Cullen Subject: Re: [Tigers] A BOT (Book of TAC) Is anybody else getting this guy's messages, or is it just me that's missing them??? I've heard of being a man of few words, but this takes the cake ;-) Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 B9006857LRX ---- m_dangelo at verizon.net wrote: > NOTHING!!!!!!! > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger at cox.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann at lwpb.com From slaifman at socal.rr.com Tue Mar 23 13:03:10 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (slaifman at socal.rr.com) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:03:10 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] A BOT (Book of TAC) In-Reply-To: <141613356855446165197132379232601249955-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <20100323200310.EKZNA.327446.root@cdptpa-web08-z01> Carlo, and Tigers, I seem to have been most fortunate to purchase "TBON", new, from Rick at Sunbeam Specialities, when I first got my car. I paid about $25 for it. In today's inflation that's probably equivalent to 100's of dollars. Remember - gas had dramatically increased in cost to $0.70/gal. Amongst the list of LAT options, on TigersUnited.com, you will find this tribute: "Norman Miller, in his excellent "The Book of Norman" (TBON), as well as others, have discussed the departure from International Automobiles Inc. of the "LAT" man, Richard Wheatley, and his subsequent employment at Traction Masters. Traction Masters was the authorized supplier of LAT parts, such as the traction bars (LAT-5, LAT-6) and the LAT-76 and LAT-77 rear and front shock absorbers. Traction Masters, with Wheatley on board, sold many other items using a "LAT" number that were not sold through International Automobiles, and may not deserve the legal use of the name, uncontested apparently, but certainly they were using the spark plug behind the LAT program." http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_service/lat.asp http://www.tigersunited.com/history/pioneers.asp http://www.tigersunited.com/classifieds/ As well as others. Don't hassle Norman for the current price of his valuable tome, it is strictly the law of supply and demand - NOT Norman selling reprints. Steve ---- Carlo Bernardino wrote: > You are probably right and that is a shame. > > I have no desire or time to be a TACer - perhaps in another life. However, it would be nice to be as knowledgeable as possible about Tigers. When you go to other car shows and see the 'knowledgeable' guy about his her mark it makes their whole mark more 'valuable'. A TAC'dfull book would go a long way to elevating the knowledge base of the average Tiger owner and in turn raise the awareness of our brand. > > The book of Norm - prices, don't get me started. Certainly the BON does do this in part, but I am not going to spend that type of money when I could use it to keep my car on the road. A TE/AE member was kind to lend me a copy, but to be a good citizen I did not xerox the book or forward it to Google for scanning. > > Finally, this apparent inability to share except at the local club level or on these forums is why there are few young people looking into our cars, etc. I will bet I am the youngest of the group here and I do not feel particularly young. Do we have any 20 year olds interested in Tigers - doubt it. Other British makes - absolutely in part because the info of these makes is easily available. > > BTW never been to a United - that was my dad. > > Rob > > C. Robert Bernardino, MD FACS > Associate Professor of Ophthalmology > Residency Program Director > Ophthalmic Plastics and Orbital Surgery > Yale University School of Medicine > 40 Temple Street, 3rd Floor > New Haven, CT 06510 > W: 203 785-2020 > F: 203 785-5909 > > > On Tuesday, March 23, 2010, at 10:58AM, "rande" wrote: > > > >Hi, > > > >With respect to publishing a Book of TAC, let me be as TAC'd full as possible. > >I think the eminent Tiger Authentication Committee is going to say something > >on the order of (for the time being), > >'DAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN'. > > > >If you want to be a TAC inspector, contact the usual suspects(Tom Hall, Patrick > >King from STOA)or come to the TEAE United in Maine in October, where there is > >sure to be a TAC team based on the East Coast in attendance. > > > >If you just need to be a student of the differences between Alpines and Tigers, > >there is that bargain tome Book of Norman,which flys off eBay periodically for > >between 800-1200 > >$US a copy. From rande at thecia.net Tue Mar 23 14:26:40 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:26:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] BON, TAC... Message-ID: <4ba93210.5edd.0@thecia.net> This stream of consciousness, and right now, it's just a trickle. I have been asked by a Rhode Island buddy to have Norm weigh in on the urban legend that another form of BON is in the works. As this went to press, the answer is: " I am sloooooooooooooly working on a TBON companion. Currently involved with a chapter titled "INVISIBLE INK". Norm" Count the o's before you get riled up (this is Rande speaking). I checked my SS invoice from 1994 for my copy of BON. $58.00 before shipping. Some others posted that other rare makes have been much more freer with authentification information, and feel free to give me your view on this. I make a distinction(sp) between information you need as a Tiger owner to be fairly judged for a concours, and knowledge the TAC folks use to inspect Tigers for certification They're not concerned with whether your clock is correct, or the courtesy light has the correct patina. They just need to see enough evidence that your car travelled down the Jensen assembly line to be assembled as a Tiger. I think the guidelines they use should be kept within the committee. They're not out to make you feel bad or impune your car. In almost all cases, YOU have to initiate a TAC inspection, they're not going to start the process. I have to feel that people in the genuine Cobra, Ford GT, and 911R factions(I've mentioned these only because I'm personally interested in them)have some recognized expert to assist in the provenance of these cars, and I wouldn't be surprised if the expert kept their criteria to themselves. Mauro, I'm glad you found the Tiger list, and I know all of us will be willing to help with any parts or information needs you have. And Carlo, we expect to see you at British Car Day on June 6 in Brookline,MA, or we'll need a note from your doctor. RB RB From racetig at verizon.net Tue Mar 23 14:31:35 2010 From: racetig at verizon.net (Rob) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:31:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Tigers] Inspector in Midwest Message-ID: <824722298.479582.1269379895662.JavaMail.root@vms228.mailsrvcs.net> From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Tue Mar 23 14:55:51 2010 From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:55:51 EDT Subject: [Tigers] A BOT (Book of TAC) Message-ID: <99ec8.4d98279e.38da92e7@aol.com> I know there are younger people out there interested not only in Tigers but in other Rootes Group vehicles as well. My 32 year old son and I have two Tigers. He is just as passionate about them as I am. He has often told me if I ever sold one he would kill me and claim justifiable homicide, which I think would be a valid defense under the circumstances. You might also look to Tiger Tom's daughter Valerie and her husband Eric. They have two Imps and drive them to every event they can. I'm pretty sure they are not much older than 25. There are several other TE/AE members whose offspring are also into the cars, and I'm positive one could come up with quite a list throughout the various clubs. Other marques have more information about their cars because there were more of their cars produced. It stands to reason that 250,000 MGs will have a larger following, young or old, than 7,000 Tigers. I became interested in Tigers some 45 years ago mostly due to their rarity. Little did I realize at the time that they would be as sought after as they are and that they would have as tight knit a group of loyal enthusiasts. Fred Baum Proud owner of: B9470768 B382002353 From m_dangelo at verizon.net Tue Mar 23 15:27:52 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:27:52 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Test: No One can see contents of my posts! In-Reply-To: <99ec8.4d98279e.38da92e7@aol.com> Message-ID: TEST TEST TEST From m_dangelo at verizon.net Tue Mar 23 15:41:46 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:41:46 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] tiger originality / authenticity In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Below was a message I sent this morning but no one could read... Tom, Even though the way you first wrote it did leave open a slight possibility of misunderstanding, I knew exactly what you meant the first time. I truly hate to see a guy feel like he's done something wrong when he has not! It's very clear that when and if the TAC inspectors don't find enough evidence to authenticate a particular car, they will just say so and walk away from it -- end of story. It's also very clear that the TAC registry is not meant to list unverifiable or questionable cars in any way. I think the potential liability issues such a (thankfully nonexistent) list would cause would be quite astounding in today's highly litigious society. I think that the way they've been doing TACs is a very fair and safe way to do it. Of course, I realize that opinions like mine are like a certain body part (everybody has one). Cheers. Mauro From cmccann at lwpb.com Tue Mar 23 15:43:23 2010 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:43:23 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Test: No One can see contents of my posts! In-Reply-To: References: <99ec8.4d98279e.38da92e7@aol.com> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BD9FF7E73@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> I'm seeing this.....but FYI, Rob Roy (racetig) sent an email a few minutes ago that was blank too... I don't think it's on your end Mauro, gotta be the list or the keeper of the list...or however it works.... -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:28 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Test: No One can see contents of my posts! TEST TEST TEST _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmccann at lwpb.com From m_dangelo at verizon.net Tue Mar 23 15:44:02 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:44:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers and Algers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Below was a message I sent this morning but no one could see... Nah, not really. Details are important. It's like the difference between playing an original vintage 1962 Fender Stratocaster and a newer counterfeit. There IS a noticeable difference, although both are playable. I describe it as a real Tiger's level of mojo, not just monetary value. Please repeat after me: MOJO! Mauro > > On 3/23/10 6:31 AM, "Marc James Small" wrote: > >> You folks are a bunch of frightened souls. Who >> cares? Enjoy the drive, Alger or Tiger or >> whatever. All you guys argue about it the value. Why not enjoy the ride? >> >> Marc >> >> >> msmall at aya.yale.edu >> Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/m_dangelo at verizon.net From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 23 16:24:37 2010 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Secrets of the Old World Craftsmen Message-ID: <286123.85800.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "You could also check the differences between Alpines and Tigers for yourself at any United (the above Maine one, and the West Coast one in June in Santa Rosa,CA)and compare your car, a known TAC'd quantity, with the others." The best way to do that is to send a Alpine shell and a Tiger shell through the stripper and set them on saw horses. Then you can crawl over and under them and take notes. Or, if you are ever in the Dayton, Ohio area, stop by Doug Jennings Tiger club house and he will go over the differences. He may show you a thing or two that TAC doesn't know about. Ask him to show you the "heart" of a Tiger. If you hear rattling noises while driving, this may be the cause. The thing that suprised me is the ad-hoc nature of the Jennings assembly line back in the day. Its probably due to the "old world craftsmen" method of work, or too many pints of Guiness at lunch. Jeff From djoh797014 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 23 16:55:19 2010 From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] BON, TAC... In-Reply-To: <4ba93210.5edd.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: <792251.87512.qm@web111603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Keep in mind that Norm has never made a lot of money from his book. if at all. Of all the big bucks they are selling for now. Norm has not received any money Of all those getting a big buck, why not send Norm some money, It might provide him some incintive to start another. I got mine from Norm through the Mail. He even autographed it for me. I think I paid about $50 + Postage. I sent him several info sheets of Tigers around the Midwest. Glad to see my car listed. Dave --- On Tue, 3/23/10, rande wrote: From: rande Subject: [Tigers] BON, TAC... To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 9:26 PM This stream of consciousness, and right now, it's just a trickle. I have been asked by a Rhode Island buddy to have Norm weigh in on the urban legend that another form of BON is in the works. As this went to press, the answer is: " I am sloooooooooooooly working on a TBON companion. Currently involved with a chapter titled "INVISIBLE INK". Norm" Count the o's before you get riled up (this is Rande speaking). I checked my SS invoice from 1994 for my copy of BON. $58.00 before shipping. Some others posted that other rare makes have been much more freer with authentification information, and feel free to give me your view on this. I make a distinction(sp) between information you need as a Tiger owner to be fairly judged for a concours, and knowledge the TAC folks use to inspect Tigers for certification They're not concerned with whether your clock is correct, or the courtesy light has the correct patina. They just need to see enough evidence that your car travelled down the Jensen assembly line to be assembled as a Tiger. I think the guidelines they use should be kept within the committee. They're not out to make you feel bad or impune your car. In almost all cases, YOU have to initiate a TAC inspection, they're not going to start the process. I have to feel that people in the genuine Cobra, Ford GT, and 911R factions(I've mentioned these only because I'm personally interested in them)have some recognized expert to assist in the provenance of these cars, and I wouldn't be surprised if the expert kept their criteria to themselves. Mauro, I'm glad you found the Tiger list, and I know all of us will be willing to help with any parts or information needs you have. And Carlo, we expect to see you at British Car Day on June 6 in Brookline,MA, or we'll need a note from your doctor. RB RB _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/djoh797014 at yahoo.com From tsmit at shaw.ca Tue Mar 23 19:18:47 2010 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:18:47 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Inspector in Midwest In-Reply-To: <824722298.479582.1269379895662.JavaMail.root@vms228.mailsrvcs.net> References: <824722298.479582.1269379895662.JavaMail.root@vms228.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <845C412E-525A-403B-9FC5-30AE028B4EC3@shaw.ca> I think the common thread here is Verizon, not necessarily the sender or the mailing list server. Theo Sent from my iPhone On 2010-03-23, at 3:31 PM, Rob wrote: > > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tsmit at shaw.ca From jefferyrandall at gmail.com Tue Mar 23 19:36:16 2010 From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 18:36:16 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] All this talk about what is real Message-ID: <813b721c1003231936k74b19cdah7333430acafb7e0b@mail.gmail.com> So back in 76 I saw a funky looking green car out on someones front lawn without an engine just calling me to bring it back to life,so I did. 3 years later sold it for 1500 to buy a honda 750. To this day i remembered the VIN B382000802 Fast forward to 2010 just got my dream car back B382000021 no question its the REAL THING I don t need Norman or anyone else to tell me it is or isn t,when we finish it,I ll drive the Hell out of it and come to you guys meets and have a blast, It s good to be back in this tight little circle! another JEFF From m_dangelo at verizon.net Wed Mar 24 03:36:36 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 06:36:36 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Some thoughts on the Book of Norman Message-ID: I've been having lots of problems getting messages through the server, so if you see multiple postings from me, please forgive me. On to my message... I believe the level of interest in cars like the Tiger is directly related to the amount of information available on them. I9m a Porsche guy, and have had many 911s since the early 1990s. I have had only one Tiger (the one I now have and plan to keep). One of the reasons I shied from the Tiger for so long was my fear of the unknown. What if something went wrong? What if I need a part, information or help? All unavailable for the most part. It took me a long tome to find this list, and even here, sometimes questions are met not with good, useful information, but with harsh responses. Porsche has similar issues as the Tiger too, with people worried about fakes being made. I mean, to own a 911T is one thing, but to own a 911RS is quite another, in terms of value. The 911T can very easily be made to look just like a 911RS, which explains why there are so many RS clones out there. It's the very same fear people seem to have about Alpines being made into Tigers. Yet, copious information on all models of Porsche is available, and the interest in Porsche remains huge. Sure, the 911 is still produced to this day, so one might say it's apples to oranges when compared to the out-of-sight-out-of-mind Tiger, but when was the last time you saw a 1972 Porsche 911 on the road? Not often to be sure. And why would anyone want a 1972 911 when the new car has almost three times the power and is also beautiful? Well, I have a new model and a 1972. They both offer great things, but are night and day from each other. I guess that the interest in the old model has to do with its history, folklore, discussion and copious information, which is available at anyone's fingertips. Hardly anything is available on the Internet about the Tiger in comparison, although there are a good number of the cars out there, the drive train is not exotic or complicated like a Porsche, and it seems like there are a lot of Tiger owners willing to get their fingernails dirty wile doing their own work on their Tigers. So why so little information and discussion on the Internet? People always say the same thing, that the Book of Norman is the Bible, and they seem to keep its contents secret, which is not a good thing (in my opinion). The Book of Norman must be an amazing book, but that people are willing to spend insane money on it, and therefore are not willing to share its contents means the Tiger community is truly broken. This is not normal at all, and is really bad for the marque. Extensive previews of just about any book you can think of are available on websites like Amazon -- but nothing anywhere for the Book of Norman. Well, I can't afford that book, so I won't even worry about getting it. Anyway, even if I had that kind of money, I'd rather spend it on important things, like what's needed to keep my car on the road. Finally, I would be (and am) more concerned with the pure, crazy profit that people are making on that $25 book than the concern people have with the TAC program being driven by concern for car values. One is normal, in a way, the other is not. And the keeping of this book as if it were the Holy Grail and sole source of good information on the tiger absolutely and gravely hurts the interest in the Tiger without doubt. That particular book should be re-published, I believe, and new ones should be written and propagated all over the world. OK, I'm done... Thanks! Mauro From m_dangelo at verizon.net Wed Mar 24 03:53:36 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 06:53:36 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] All this talk about what is real In-Reply-To: <813b721c1003231936k74b19cdah7333430acafb7e0b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Fantastic! I'm glad you found another one. Now you can stop dreaming about the old one and start enjoying the new one. Good luck with it. On 3/23/10 10:36 PM, "Jeffery Randall" wrote: > So back in 76 I saw a funky looking green car out on someones front lawn > without an engine just calling me to bring it back to life,so I did. 3 years > later sold it for 1500 to buy a honda 750. To this day i remembered the VIN > B382000802 Fast forward to 2010 just got my dream car back B382000021 no > question its the REAL THING I don t need Norman or anyone else to tell me it > is or isn t,when we finish it,I ll drive the Hell out of it and come to you > guys meets and have a blast, It s good to be back in this tight little > circle! > > another JEFF > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/m_dangelo at verizon.net From vesselofgrace at hotmail.com Wed Mar 24 04:18:49 2010 From: vesselofgrace at hotmail.com (Nathan Johnson) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:18:49 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] The next generation of Tiger owners... Message-ID: Let's see, I was introduced to Sunbeam's when I was 10 and my dad used me as slave labor to help him restore a Series II Alpine (and looking back that was a bad idea considering the condition we found it in). I started driving it when I got my permit at 15 and it became my daily driver at 17 when I helped my father restore (another violation of child labor laws) a Series V. At age 21, I found a rough, but rather original, Mark I and spent every last penny I had saved to buy it so I could one up my dad. I found the joy of a Sunbeam that can be kind of scary when you press the pedal on the right really hard and have been hooked ever since (I moved on to a Mark IA with a hipo 289 a few years ago). I am 31 now and I really can't see myself ever not owning a Tiger. I went so far as to include a provision in my prenuptial agreement when I got married last year that my wife can never ask me to sell it. I have to admit that I have always wondered how many other tiger owners are around my age. Most of my peers, whether they are car nuts or not, seem to appreciate the attributes of the Tiger that make thier owners so passionate about them but I still haven't met someone within 10 years of my age who actually owns one.... If you are out there, contact me and lets go for a road trip! Nathan Johnson _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 From cmccann at lwpb.com Wed Mar 24 05:08:41 2010 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 07:08:41 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] The next generation of Tiger owners... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D688B52-ED11-4B35-BE05-6E0F7590D898@lwpb.com> Hey Nathan, I think its cool talking about generations. I dont know most of the guys on the list well enought to know alot about them. Ive gotten close to about 5 or 6 guys out there, but I am also married with a 2 year old and haven't gotten to attend many events or TU etc. My story is very similar to yours. Got to be a tiger fan from my dad, we didnt restore one but we always wanted one. I found my heap for sale on a barn about ...5 or so years ago, I'm still tinkering with it. I've never driven it. But I got sidetracked on a cobra (wanna be) project and now even more recently a detomaso pantera. Anyway, I'm 33 years old. I'll join you as maybe the younger crowd. Most of my other tiger friends that I've met in person are my dads age. Dude, I'd get a kick out of that road trip but my cars still on the rotisserie! I agree with you though, I could never sell it. Some fellow here in oklahoma called me just the other day wanting to buy one locally, wanted to know if mine was for sale. Nope...I didn't even give him a price. Just for kicks, what part of the world fo you live in? The least we could do is hook up for a beer or a coke (or a milkshake?) sometime if your in the neighborhood, lol... Cullen McCann B382001452 lrofe > "....... I am 31 now and I really can't see myself ever not owning a > Tiger. I went so far as to include a provision in my prenuptial > agreement > when I got married last year that my wife can never ask me to sell > it. I have > to admit that I have always wondered how many other tiger owners are > around my > age. Most of my peers, whether they are car nuts or not, seem to > appreciate > the attributes of the Tiger that make thier owners so passionate > about them > but I still haven't met someone within 10 years of my age who > actually owns > one.... If you are out there, contact me and lets go for a road > trip!......" From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Mar 24 06:09:56 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:09:56 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Some thoughts on the Book of Norman Message-ID: Mauro, I don't think you are taking advantage of all the possible Tiger sources of information. There are numerous and most provide links to the others. With these sources you can find information on every nut and bolt in a Tiger and how to disassemble/assemble most every nut and bolt. And as you said, much easier to work on than a Porsche. On the BON....no book owner is trying to keep information a secret. I think if you ask any book owner a question of the contents, you will always get an answer. Mark L From m_dangelo at verizon.net Wed Mar 24 06:28:22 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (m_dangelo at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:28:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Tigers] Some thoughts on the Book of Norman Message-ID: <1356054255.1220150.1269437302705.JavaMail.root@vms183.mailsrvcs.net> Hi. Well, that's good to know, but I am skeptical. Where are there sources of information? I have seen Tigersunited.com, rootegroupdepot.com, classictigers.com, and a few others like the TEAE website and a couple of British sites. The information there is largely repetitive, old, and stagnant, for the most part -- definitely not dynamic in the least. If you go to some of the Porsche forums, you will see what I mean. One can post a question on an open forum and receive tens of responses in a single day, and have photographic step-by-step instructions, advice, diagrams, schematics and more. Considering the elitism around Porsche, it's surprising how much information is available and offered just for the asking. It's just not the same with Tigers, which I believe hurts the interest in our lovely yet mean little cars. Please let me know where these good sources of information are. As far as the Book of Norman, I've yet to see any information from that book anywhere. In fact, when I've asked specific questions, I've literally gotten the answer (from Book of Norman owners) that I should buy a copy of the Book of Norman. I'm told they come up for sale on eBay from time to time. Gee thanks, is what I typically think when I get such responses. Thanks. Mauro Mar 24, 2010 08:10:16 AM, CoolVT at aol.com wrote: Mauro,I don't think you are taking advantage of all the possible Tiger sources of information. There are numerous and most provide links to the others. With these sources you can find information on every nut and bolt in a Tiger and how to disassemble/assemble most every nut and bolt. And as you said, much easier to work on than a Porsche.On the BON....no book owner is trying to keep information a secret. I think if you ask any book owner a question of the contents, you will always get an answer.Mark L From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Wed Mar 24 07:32:46 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:32:46 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Some thoughts on the Book of Norman In-Reply-To: <1356054255.1220150.1269437302705.JavaMail.root@vms183.mailsrvcs.net> References: <1356054255.1220150.1269437302705.JavaMail.root@vms183.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Mauro, I'm new to the forum but not new to the Kitty; I've owned my Mark 2 for close to forty years, am in the midst of a (not cheap!) total restoration. So... what do you want to know? This seems to be an active group; they probably can help. Comparing the Porsche and Tiger is somewhat difficult. There were 7,000 or so Tigers made compared to the hundreds of thousands (millions?) of Porsches on the road. A lot more cars, a lot more owners / clubs. Surely a lot more car specific parts and documentation. Mechanically, the Tiger is a Ford with a Dana 44 differential. There's lots of information on both on the web and in print. Parts are available from Rick at Sunbeam Specialties, and from Bill Graf at C.A.T., among others. There's an active parts market on E-Bay (the usual caveats apply...); There's a CD available on E-Bay with most of the original documentation in PDF format. You mentioned ClassicTiger, an excellent site, lots of Tech Tips. C.A.T. (California Association Of Tiger Owners) has a "Shop Notes" book full of the accumulated knowledge they've gained over the years - it's where I go first. (You have to join the club to get the parts / books. Well worth the price of admission.) Try also Dale's Restorations. (http://www.dalesresto.com/ ) , be prepared to dig deep into the pocketbook... ClassicMotorSports ran / is running a series on a Tiger rebuild I've found helpful. Much of it is on the Web. It's worth a look, but magazines seldom tell all we need to know. And, I suspect, ask here. If I can help I'll surely try to. Regards, Tom ('67 Mark2 in the process of being reborn.) To Norm, if you see this: PLEASE re-issue the book! T On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 9:28 AM, wrote: > Hi. Well, that's good to know, but I am skeptical. Where are there > sources > of information? I have seen Tigersunited.com, rootegroupdepot.com, > classictigers.com, and a few others like the TEAE website and a couple of > British sites. The information there is largely repetitive, old, and > stagnant, for the most part -- definitely not dynamic in the least. If you > go > to some of the Porsche forums, you will see what I mean. One can post a > question on an open forum and receive tens of responses in a single day, > and > have photographic step-by-step instructions, advice, diagrams, schematics > and > more. Considering the elitism around Porsche, it's surprising how much > information is available and offered just for the asking. It's just not > the > same with Tigers, which I believe hurts the interest in our lovely yet mean > little cars. Please let me know where these good sources of information > are. As far as the Book of Norman, I've yet to see any information from > that > book anywhere. In fact, when I've asked specific questions, I've literally > gotten the answer (from Book of Norman owners) that I should buy a copy of > the > Book of Norman. I'm told they come up for sale on eBay from time to time. > Gee > thanks, is what I typically think when I get such responses. Thanks. > Mauro > > Mar 24, 2010 08:10:16 AM, CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > > Mauro,I don't think you are taking advantage of all the possible Tiger > sources > of information. There are numerous and most provide links to the others. > With > these sources you can find information on every nut and bolt in a Tiger and > how to disassemble/assemble most every nut and bolt. And as you said, much > easier to work on than a Porsche.On the BON....no book owner is trying to > keep > information a secret. I think if you ask any book owner a question of the > contents, you will always get an answer.Mark L > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Mar 24 07:35:07 2010 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:35:07 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Some thoughts on the Book of Norman In-Reply-To: <1356054255.1220150.1269437302705.JavaMail.root@vms183.mailsrvcs.net> References: <1356054255.1220150.1269437302705.JavaMail.root@vms183.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684024CB715@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Hi Mauro, In case you hadn't been there yet, here's a link to Norm Miller's website: http://www.rootes1.com/ If you scroll down a bit you'll find a link to "the book", which has an overview of TBON. As Mark has said, there are no "secrets" in the book of Norman, and aside from a clearly making the case against fraudulent Alpine conversions, there is nothing in TBON that would serve as a by-the-numbers guide to authentication. As far as the on-line information being repetitive, old and stagnant, that's partially because the Tiger was developed about fifty years ago, only about 7000 examples were made, and for the next 20 or so years after that, they were derided as cheap and a little bit dangerous, and not at all in the same class as "proper" sports cars. Whatever that means. In contrast, the 911 was appreciated as a sports car from the outset, even though it was in many respects at least as dangerous as the Tiger, and the model has been in continuous production for over 40 years. TigersUnited.com has an online version of the original Tiger shop manual, as well as complete Rootes parts number listings. From some perspectives there is no more authoritative source than those documents. Unfortunately, you can't go to a dealership and get parts by the Rootes numbers, except for what has been remanufactured by companies like Sunbeam Specialties, Classic Sunbeam auto parts, VB (maybe), the European restoration companies, and the various clubs. CAT, specifically, has had several hard to get items reproduced, and those parts are available to club members along with their Shop Notes documents. TigersUnited also has several dozen restoration and modification articles up, and you can see what others have done in a wide range of topics. TEAE has an active forum as does CAT. This mailing list (tigers at autox.team.net) is independent of any other Sunbeam/Rootes club or organization and many subscribers are members of one or more of the regional Tiger clubs. With any relatively anonymous service such as the mailing list or the forums, you'll always run the risk of having your question misinterpreted, and you'll also have cases where other members don't care about your question or comments, and they may let you know that in a seemingly hostile manner. Unfortunately that's the way it goes sometimes. The best thing to do is to try and meet some other local Tiger or other Sunbeam owners in your area, and you'll have an opportunity to discuss things face to face and to see other Tigers first-hand. And just so you know (if it wasn't already clear), authentication is probably the #1 hot-button topic on the mailing list and more likely than any other topic to bring out volatile responses. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of m_dangelo at verizon.net > Sent: March 24, 2010 7:28 AM > To: CoolVT at aol.com > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Some thoughts on the Book of Norman > > Hi. Well, that's good to know, but I am skeptical. Where are there > sources > of information? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From alittlemoreink at hotmail.com Wed Mar 24 08:09:27 2010 From: alittlemoreink at hotmail.com (John Crawley) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:09:27 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Hydraulics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All: A few years back I needed new clutch hydraulics and since Victoria British had a sale on these Tiger parts I bought a master and slave from them. They fit just fine but the clutch was way too heavy. Being a cheap dude I put up with it for a long time but am now finding that the old left leg just is not up to the extra push required to shove the clutch. What are the best clutch master and slave cylinders (and source) that you folks would recommend? All help appreciated Godspeed in Safety Fast Jc _________________________________________________________________ IM on the go with Messenger on your phone http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712960 From tigerfixer at yahoo.com Wed Mar 24 08:18:31 2010 From: tigerfixer at yahoo.com (Bill Martin) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norman In-Reply-To: <1356054255.1220150.1269437302705.JavaMail.root@vms183.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <820068.75771.qm@web63805.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Mauro et al, To those who are relatively new to the Tiger community I will provide a little bit of background on the BON. I purchased Rootes Group Depot from Norm in 2001 and consider myself a very good friend of Norm, so knowing that he will probably keep quiet I offer this. Norm self published the BON in 1990. He printed 1000 copies and sold them through Sunbeam Specialties and sometimes at his shop for 58 bucks. It took him 5 years to sell out. A couple of years after the printing the print broker went under and destroyed all of the plates, thus no second editions and Norm did not break even on the BON he actually lost money. What you don't know is that he was chastised for having the arrogance to publish a book about the Tiger by the same community he was trying to improve. I am sure that with BON2 comes out it will knock everyone on their buts again. So when you see a BON listed for an astounding amount of money remember that Norm is not getting a piece of the action, but I am sure he is chuckling. Bill From m_dangelo at verizon.net Wed Mar 24 08:25:14 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (m_dangelo at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:25:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norman Message-ID: <352004376.1228251.1269444314484.JavaMail.root@vms183.mailsrvcs.net> Bill, Thanks. I am certain that Norm gets nothing from the action on his book. That's part of my point about the book. People are so worried about people's motives when getting their cars TACed -- they say the TAC program is driven by greed or car values -- yet are making huge profits on a book. My hat's off to Norm Miller, and he knows it. Thanks! Mauro Mar 24, 2010 10:18:32 AM, tigerfixer at yahoo.com wrote: Mauro et al, To those who are relatively new to the Tiger community I will provide a little bit of background on the BON. I purchased Rootes Group Depot from Norm in 2001 and consider myself a very good friend of Norm, so knowing that he will probably keep quiet I offer this. Norm self published the BON in 1990. He printed 1000 copies and sold them through Sunbeam Specialties and sometimes at his shop for 58 bucks. It took him 5 years to sell out. A couple of years after the printing the print broker went under and destroyed all of the plates, thus no second editions and Norm did not break even on the BON he actually lost money. What you don't know is that he was chastised for having the arrogance to publish a book about the Tiger by the same community he was trying to improve. I am sure that with BON2 comes out it will knock everyone on their buts again. So when you see a BON listed for an astounding amount of money remember that Norm is not getting a piece of the action, but I am sure he is chuckling. Bill From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Mar 24 08:48:53 2010 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:48:53 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Hydraulics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684024CB775@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Hi John, What pressure plate are you using? If the clutch hydraulics that you bought have the same diameters as the OEM parts, then the pedal effort should be within reason unless you have a extra heavy duty pressure plate bolted to the flywheel. On the other hand, if VB mixed up and gave you an oversize master cylinder then the pedal effort could be high even though your line pressure is still normal. IIRC the stock diameter is 5/8" for the master, and I don't remember the slave cylinder diameter. Many master cylinders from Girling as well as the aftermarket suppliers use the same bolt pattern so they'll all bolt right in, but even a change of 1/16" in diameter can cause a significant change in pedal effort required. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Crawley > Sent: March 24, 2010 9:09 AM > To: LIST TIGER > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch Hydraulics > > Hi All: > > A few years back I needed new clutch hydraulics and since Victoria > British > had a sale on these Tiger parts I bought a master and slave from > them. They > fit just fine ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Mar 24 09:19:35 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:19:35 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Some thoughts on the Book of Norman References: <1356054255.1220150.1269437302705.JavaMail.root@vms183.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <465E1C64521D4353A83ECAAB181D90CC@student2> Mauro (all), I just read Bill Martin's post after typing this, - but will send anyway. I'm not intending to hammer a point, only inform. To the best of my knowledge Norm spent a considerable amount of time creating TBON. There was a situation with his publisher that resulted in TBON no longer being printed. An email I have from him says it was a 5 year struggle to sell 1,000 books for $60. As best I can surmise a "labor of love" turned into a drawn out LABOR. About 2-3 years ago Norm sold a spare copy on Ebay. But unless he had private sales once prices rose (I don't think he did) that likely was the only profitable sale he had. In another instance there were a handful (I believe 10 or so) of printer error copies with a pages 101-116 missing. A party got a hold of these and sought permission to copy the missing pages. To my knowledge Norm profited nothing allowing this, though the selling party got $310 for my purchase of the last available printer error copy. Norm was even kind enough to sign my copy before it was shipped. I kind of equate that thoughtfulness to a sports star losing prized possessions through bankruptcy, yet still willing to sign memorabilia to the receiving party. Hopefully my limited (and hopefully accurate) knowledge is helpful to understanding the situation with TBON. Regarding the book. There are 371 numbered pages. Of those 371 pages 192 pages (roughly 52%) are devoted to the register. That information is available on Norm's site and far more up to date. While I'm sure there are sections of the remaining book that are exclusive, I can say that I have seen similar information either on the web or in other books. In the end the escalating value of TBON took on a life of its own. Sadly the creator of the book seemed to find much frustration and little profit. In closing my Tiger and copy of TBON hold no monetary value. In my lifetime they are not for sale. Hopefully my son will continue to be a "guardian" of these treasures once I'm gone. Do rising values make me smile, sure. But as they say "it is only on paper." Tom From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com Wed Mar 24 09:40:53 2010 From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] B.O.N. Message-ID: <664095.48829.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I seem to remember recently when Norman pulled out several old copies of the book with some misprinted or missing pages (Publisher/printer kistakes no doubt)...Norm listed and sold them on ebay for the going prices.....soooo He did get some of that $...Mike From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Mar 24 09:42:15 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:42:15 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] The next generation of Tiger owners... References: Message-ID: Almost four years ago to the day I did a poll of the average age of Tiger owners and years of ownership. For whatever it's worth to the subject I thought I would throw the results out again to anyone who is new (or forgot - like me). - Tom REMEMBER THESE ARE MARCH, 2006 RESULTS: Well..., I had a pocket of time to do some tabulating this afternoon (with the help of my kids). I was able to use the ages of 105 of you who responded. The youngest owner is - Joey (of course) at 15 The oldest owner is - Bill Carroll at 91 (or soon to be) There were 2 people under 30 There were 10 people between 30 and 40 There were 28 people between 40 and 50 There were 32 people between 50 and 60 There were 29 people between 60 and 70 There were 3 people between 70 and 80 There were 0 people between 80 and 90 There is 1 person between 90 and 100 And, the average age worked out to be.... 53.3 years old. If you were 16 (the assumed youngest age to drive) when the Tiger was available as a true 1965 model you would be 57 today. That falls right into the largest age group. With me at 48 I stand corrected that I am 5+ years under the average rather than slightly over as I had thought (but why do I feel so old???) Years of ownership was a bit more difficult with 77 people responding. Some people went by model year and others by date of purchase. Other times I had to calculate by age at purchase (or year of purchase) to come up with the numbers not stated. Others had ownership for more than one car and I only took the longest. Some people had a break in ownership that was hard to put into a "real" ownership numbers and I dropped those. So, if you feel like you didn't count properly (especially those in the 40 + category), well... I did the best I could under the circumstances. Years of ownership was not part of the original question it was only freely offered by the responder. So this is a "ballpark" figure at best. The shortest year of ownership was 1 The longest years of ownership was 42 36 people have owned their cars for 1 to 10 years 12 people have owned their cars for 11 to 20 years 9 people have owned their cars for 21 to 30 years 19 people have owned their cars for 31 to 40 years 1 person has owner their car for 40+ years I do find it interesting that the years of ownership was greatest for 1 to 10 years and 31 to 40 years. Also, that nearly 50% of those responding owned their car for 10 years or less. From jim at island.net Wed Mar 24 09:42:54 2010 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:42:54 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Some thoughts on the Book of Norman In-Reply-To: <465E1C64521D4353A83ECAAB181D90CC@student2> References: <1356054255.1220150.1269437302705.JavaMail.root@vms183.mailsrvcs.net> <465E1C64521D4353A83ECAAB181D90CC@student2> Message-ID: <1BD057C7EF4C4D0587C78353AABE304F@JIMPC> Hi Tom As far as I know, the registry is only in the BON... I've never seen it anywhere else. Norm only has a listing for the TAC'ed cars ( including mine) on his website... Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: March 24, 2010 9:20 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Some thoughts on the Book of Norman Mauro (all), I just read Bill Martin's post after typing this, - but will send anyway. I'm not intending to hammer a point, only inform. To the best of my knowledge Norm spent a considerable amount of time creating TBON. There was a situation with his publisher that resulted in TBON no longer being printed. An email I have from him says it was a 5 year struggle to sell 1,000 books for $60. As best I can surmise a "labor of love" turned into a drawn out LABOR. About 2-3 years ago Norm sold a spare copy on Ebay. But unless he had private sales once prices rose (I don't think he did) that likely was the only profitable sale he had. In another instance there were a handful (I believe 10 or so) of printer error copies with a pages 101-116 missing. A party got a hold of these and sought permission to copy the missing pages. To my knowledge Norm profited nothing allowing this, though the selling party got $310 for my purchase of the last available printer error copy. Norm was even kind enough to sign my copy before it was shipped. I kind of equate that thoughtfulness to a sports star losing prized possessions through bankruptcy, yet still willing to sign memorabilia to the receiving party. Hopefully my limited (and hopefully accurate) knowledge is helpful to understanding the situation with TBON. Regarding the book. There are 371 numbered pages. Of those 371 pages 192 pages (roughly 52%) are devoted to the register. That information is available on Norm's site and far more up to date. While I'm sure there are sections of the remaining book that are exclusive, I can say that I have seen similar information either on the web or in other books. In the end the escalating value of TBON took on a life of its own. Sadly the creator of the book seemed to find much frustration and little profit. In closing my Tiger and copy of TBON hold no monetary value. In my lifetime they are not for sale. Hopefully my son will continue to be a "guardian" of these treasures once I'm gone. Do rising values make me smile, sure. But as they say "it is only on paper." Tom _______________________________________________ From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Mar 24 09:52:39 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:52:39 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Some thoughts on the Book of Norman References: <1356054255.1220150.1269437302705.JavaMail.root@vms183.mailsrvcs.net> <465E1C64521D4353A83ECAAB181D90CC@student2> <1BD057C7EF4C4D0587C78353AABE304F@JIMPC> Message-ID: Thanks Jim, I do stand corrected. The TAC-ed cars are on Norm's site, not the Registry. (I hate getting old!!!) Maybe some day they two will be the same! Tom > Hi Tom > > As far as I know, the registry is only in the BON... I've never seen it > anywhere else. Norm only has a listing for the TAC'ed cars ( including > mine) > on his website... > > Jim > B382000446 From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Wed Mar 24 09:55:53 2010 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:55:53 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Some thoughts on the Book of Norman In-Reply-To: <465E1C64521D4353A83ECAAB181D90CC@student2> References: <1356054255.1220150.1269437302705.JavaMail.root@vms183.mailsrvcs.net>, <465E1C64521D4353A83ECAAB181D90CC@student2> Message-ID: I approached Norm several years ago about bringing his book (all or part) back out with no investment of time or money on his part, all he would have to do is accept the money/royalties I sent him and he politely declined. I would like to see him re-coop his time, money and investment in the project (I have been down that same road a number of times myself)...and to be honest a couple $$ to get my own Tiger out of the garage and on the road would not make me frown either. Plus I think the information should be out there to anyone who wants to know more about their Tiger and the Sunbeam Tiger story. In this the Digital Age, all is not lost and it could be handled a number of ways such as on-demand book printing, CD, PDF download etc..etc... My offer to him still stands. I have been interested in Tigers for about 30 years but I never owned a Tiger until fairly recently, and until I did buy a Tiger I never knew about TBON. Had I known about the book I probably would have sprung $50-$60 or whatever it was selling for, just because of my interest in the car...even without knowing the details of the book. I bought both "Tiger, The Making of a Sports Car" & "Tiger, An Exceptional Motorcar" long before owning one. Paul ----------------------------------- > From: atwittsend at verizon.net > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:19:35 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Some thoughts on the Book of Norman > > Mauro (all), > > I just read Bill Martin's post after typing this, - but will send anyway. > I'm not intending to hammer a point, only inform. > > To the best of my knowledge Norm spent a considerable amount of time > creating TBON. There was a situation with his publisher that resulted in > TBON no longer being printed. An email I have from him says it was a 5 year > struggle to sell 1,000 books for $60. As best I can surmise a "labor of > love" turned into a drawn out LABOR. > > About 2-3 years ago Norm sold a spare copy on Ebay. But unless he had > private sales once prices rose (I don't think he did) that likely was the > only profitable sale he had. In another instance there were a handful (I > believe 10 or so) of printer error copies with a pages 101-116 missing. A > party got a hold of these and sought permission to copy the missing pages. > To my knowledge Norm profited nothing allowing this, though the selling > party got $310 for my purchase of the last available printer error copy. > Norm was even kind enough to sign my copy before it was shipped. I kind of > equate that thoughtfulness to a sports star losing prized possessions > through bankruptcy, yet still willing to sign memorabilia to the receiving > party. Hopefully my limited (and hopefully accurate) knowledge is helpful to > understanding the situation with TBON. > > Regarding the book. There are 371 numbered pages. Of those 371 pages 192 > pages (roughly 52%) are devoted to the register. That information is > available on Norm's site and far more up to date. While I'm sure there are > sections of the remaining book that are exclusive, I can say that I have > seen similar information either on the web or in other books. > > In the end the escalating value of TBON took on a life of its own. Sadly > the creator of the book seemed to find much frustration and little profit. > > In closing my Tiger and copy of TBON hold no monetary value. In my lifetime > they are not for sale. Hopefully my son will continue to be a "guardian" of > these treasures once I'm gone. Do rising values make me smile, sure. But as > they say "it is only on paper." > > Tom _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL :en-US:WM_HMP:032010_1 From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Mar 24 10:18:43 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:18:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] B.O.N. References: <664095.48829.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8886827A2F404795B21DF7155ABF31DD@student2> Hi Mike, As I stated in my earlier post I bought the last of the printer error copies. Norm did NOT sell those (though he did sign mine, it was stated in the auction that he would). I won my copy off Ebay from a man named Tim Jordan. Based on an Email from Norm and the way the Ebay auction was written I believe it was Jordan that sold all the printer error copies. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike schreiner" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:40 AM Subject: [Tigers] B.O.N. >I seem to remember recently when Norman pulled out several old copies of >the book with some misprinted or missing pages (Publisher/printer kistakes >no doubt)...Norm listed and sold them on ebay for the going >prices.....soooo He did get some of that $...Mike > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2767 - Release Date: 03/24/10 07:33:00 From s_ralsten at yahoo.com Wed Mar 24 10:27:55 2010 From: s_ralsten at yahoo.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Some thoughts on the Book of Norman In-Reply-To: References: <1356054255.1220150.1269437302705.JavaMail.root@vms183.mailsrvcs.net> <465E1C64521D4353A83ECAAB181D90CC@student2> <1BD057C7EF4C4D0587C78353AABE304F@JIMPC> Message-ID: <186202.54407.qm@web114113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The entire registry is on Norms site. ________________________________ From: Thomas Witt To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 9:52:39 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Some thoughts on the Book of Norman Thanks Jim, I do stand corrected. The TAC-ed cars are on Norm's site, not the Registry. (I hate getting old!!!) Maybe some day they two will be the same! Tom > Hi Tom > > As far as I know, the registry is only in the BON... I've never seen it > anywhere else. Norm only has a listing for the TAC'ed cars ( including mine) > on his website... > > Jim > B382000446 _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/s_ralsten at yahoo.com From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed Mar 24 10:36:12 2010 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:36:12 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] The next generation of Tiger owners... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0A9F5B48-66FC-4546-96F7-D62A65A4C5D0@gmail.com> I wasn't on that survey and I'm under 30. I'm guessing the other guy was from down under? :) On 24 Mar 2010, at 16:42, "Thomas Witt" wrote: > Almost four years ago to the day I did a poll of the average age of > Tiger owners and years of ownership. For whatever it's worth to the > subject I thought I would throw the results out again to anyone who > is new (or forgot - like me). - Tom > > REMEMBER THESE ARE MARCH, 2006 RESULTS: > > Well..., I had a pocket of time to do some tabulating this afternoon > (with the > help of my kids). I was able to use the ages of 105 of you who > responded. > > The youngest owner is - Joey (of course) at 15 > > The oldest owner is - Bill Carroll at 91 (or soon to be) > > There were 2 people under 30 > > There were 10 people between 30 and 40 > > There were 28 people between 40 and 50 > > There were 32 people between 50 and 60 > > There were 29 people between 60 and 70 > > There were 3 people between 70 and 80 > > There were 0 people between 80 and 90 > > There is 1 person between 90 and 100 > > And, the average age worked out to be.... 53.3 years old. > > If you were 16 (the assumed youngest age to drive) when the Tiger was > available as a true 1965 model you would be 57 today. That falls > right into > the largest age group. > > With me at 48 I stand corrected that I am 5+ years under the average > rather > than slightly over as I had thought (but why do I feel so old???) > > Years of ownership was a bit more difficult with 77 people > responding. Some > people went by model year and others by date of purchase. Other > times I had to > calculate by age at purchase (or year of purchase) to come up with > the numbers > not stated. Others had ownership for more than one car and I only > took the > longest. Some people had a break in ownership that was hard to put > into a > "real" ownership numbers and I dropped those. > So, if you feel like you didn't count properly (especially those in > the 40 + > category), well... I did the best I could under the circumstances. > Years of > ownership was not part of the original question it was only freely > offered by > the responder. So this is a "ballpark" figure at best. > > The shortest year of ownership was 1 > > The longest years of ownership was 42 > > 36 people have owned their cars for 1 to 10 years > > 12 people have owned their cars for 11 to 20 years > > 9 people have owned their cars for 21 to 30 years > > 19 people have owned their cars for 31 to 40 years > > 1 person has owner their car for 40+ years > > I do find it interesting that the years of ownership was greatest > for 1 to 10 > years and 31 to 40 years. Also, that nearly 50% of those responding > owned > their car for 10 years or less. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com From dsmtjoy at cox.net Wed Mar 24 10:39:25 2010 From: dsmtjoy at cox.net (Mountjoy) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:39:25 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 112 References: Message-ID: <5C76FF1DEDCE44FE86C9B5F0B5D7CD24@computer> Excellent work, Tom. Thanks !! Darrell ----- Original Message ----- Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:42:15 -0700 From: "Thomas Witt" Subject: Re: [Tigers] The next generation of Tiger owners... To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Almost four years ago to the day I did a poll of the average age of Tiger owners and years of ownership. For whatever it's worth to the subject I thought I would throw the results out again to anyone who is new (or forgot - like me). - Tom REMEMBER THESE ARE MARCH, 2006 RESULTS: Well..., I had a pocket of time to do some tabulating this afternoon (with the help of my kids). I was able to use the ages of 105 of you who responded. The youngest owner is - Joey (of course) at 15 The oldest owner is - Bill Carroll at 91 (or soon to be) There were 2 people under 30 There were 10 people between 30 and 40 There were 28 people between 40 and 50 There were 32 people between 50 and 60 There were 29 people between 60 and 70 There were 3 people between 70 and 80 There were 0 people between 80 and 90 There is 1 person between 90 and 100 And, the average age worked out to be.... 53.3 years old. If you were 16 (the assumed youngest age to drive) when the Tiger was available as a true 1965 model you would be 57 today. That falls right into the largest age group. With me at 48 I stand corrected that I am 5+ years under the average rather than slightly over as I had thought (but why do I feel so old???) Years of ownership was a bit more difficult with 77 people responding. Some people went by model year and others by date of purchase. Other times I had to calculate by age at purchase (or year of purchase) to come up with the numbers not stated. Others had ownership for more than one car and I only took the longest. Some people had a break in ownership that was hard to put into a "real" ownership numbers and I dropped those. So, if you feel like you didn't count properly (especially those in the 40 + category), well... I did the best I could under the circumstances. Years of ownership was not part of the original question it was only freely offered by the responder. So this is a "ballpark" figure at best. The shortest year of ownership was 1 The longest years of ownership was 42 36 people have owned their cars for 1 to 10 years 12 people have owned their cars for 11 to 20 years 9 people have owned their cars for 21 to 30 years 19 people have owned their cars for 31 to 40 years 1 person has owner their car for 40+ years I do find it interesting that the years of ownership was greatest for 1 to 10 years and 31 to 40 years. Also, that nearly 50% of those responding owned their car for 10 years or less. From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Wed Mar 24 10:51:33 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:51:33 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Hydraulics In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684024CB775@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> References: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684024CB775@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: John, My recent experience with VB wasn't positive, sadly. The Brake Master Cylinder came without a fork and the original fork didn't fit. The Clutch Master Cylinder came with a fork but it won't fit around the clutch pedal pivot. I haven't attacked that yet, the car;'s still in assembly. I have no idea what the pedal pressure will be, but the clutch is a standard Mustang clutch. C.A.T. carries both the clutch master cylinder and slave cylinder. So does Rick at Sunbeam Specialties. Tom On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Smit, Theo wrote: > Hi John, > What pressure plate are you using? If the clutch hydraulics that you bought > have the same diameters as the OEM parts, then the pedal effort should be > within reason unless you have a extra heavy duty pressure plate bolted to > the > flywheel. On the other hand, if VB mixed up and gave you an oversize master > cylinder then the pedal effort could be high even though your line pressure > is > still normal. IIRC the stock diameter is 5/8" for the master, and I don't > remember the slave cylinder diameter. > > Many master cylinders from Girling as well as the aftermarket suppliers use > the same bolt pattern so they'll all bolt right in, but even a change of > 1/16" > in diameter can cause a significant change in pedal effort required. > > Cheers, > Theo > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Crawley > > Sent: March 24, 2010 9:09 AM > > To: LIST TIGER > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch Hydraulics > > > > Hi All: > > > > A few years back I needed new clutch hydraulics and since Victoria > > British > > had a sale on these Tiger parts I bought a master and slave from > > them. They > > fit just fine > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the > sole > use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, > please > be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail > or > any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > please contact the sender and delete all copies. > > Thank you for your cooperation. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From s_ralsten at yahoo.com Wed Mar 24 11:06:22 2010 From: s_ralsten at yahoo.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Some thoughts on the Book of Norman In-Reply-To: <9DB2B222BBDE4243A0F58E98DE8EB363@student2> References: <1356054255.1220150.1269437302705.JavaMail.root@vms183.mailsrvcs.net> <465E1C64521D4353A83ECAAB181D90CC@student2> <1BD057C7EF4C4D0587C78353AABE304F@JIMPC> <186202.54407.qm@web114113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <9DB2B222BBDE4243A0F58E98DE8EB363@student2> Message-ID: <611094.52962.qm@web114107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> When you click on the registry you go to the new page. At top of page within the header graphis are three more red links that access the registry. Not very easy to see but its all there. Norm does a good job of keeping it current if you send him info. I discoverd another LROFE car (52nd one) and sent him that. Steve ________________________________ From: Thomas Witt To: Steve Ralsten Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 10:50:54 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Some thoughts on the Book of Norman Hi Steve, Before I correct my correction can you direct me to the registry on Norm's site. I just looked. While there is a "click here" for the registry it only talks about, but doesn't display it. perhaps I am missing something??? Tom ----- Original Message ----- >From: Steve Ralsten >To: Thomas Witt ; tigers at autox.team.net >Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:27 AM >Subject: Re: [Tigers] Some thoughts on the Book of Norman > > >The entire registry is on Norms site. > > > ________________________________ From: Thomas Witt >To: tigers at autox.team.net >Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 9:52:39 AM >Subject: Re: [Tigers] Some thoughts on the Book of Norman > >Thanks Jim, > >I do stand corrected. The TAC-ed cars are on Norm's site, not the Registry. (I hate getting old!!!) Maybe some day they two will be the same! Tom > >> Hi Tom >> >> As far as I know, the registry is only in the BON... I've never seen it >> anywhere else. Norm only has a listing for the TAC'ed cars ( including mine) >> on his website... >> >> Jim >> B382000446 >_______________________________________________ >Tigers at autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/s_ralsten at yahoo.com > > > ________________________________ >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2767 - Release Date: 03/24/10 07:33:00 From v8tracker at gmail.com Wed Mar 24 11:13:00 2010 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:13:00 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norman Message-ID: <50A719C044F44CAC84FB944C140CC5B8@DellD4700> I bought one of the last new copies of TBON a number of years ago. Since then, I have been happy to provide information from it to anyone who asks. I will not, however, photocopy any of it for anyone under any circumstances, nor hand copy more than a few sentences, with proper attribution. That offer still stands. That said, I know I will never be able to afford another Tiger unless I win a lottery and I am still a bit shy of the money I need to rebuild the small block Ford for my Geo Tracker. I have resisted putting TBON on E-Bay since I would rather see it go to someone on the list and I can't assure that on E-Bay. The price is $800, no offers, unless they are for more. If anyone is interested, let me know. A. C. Tynes New Orleans From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Mar 24 11:16:03 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:16:03 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Some thoughts on the Book of Norman (Registry, TAC correction) References: <1356054255.1220150.1269437302705.JavaMail.root@vms183.mailsrvcs.net> <465E1C64521D4353A83ECAAB181D90CC@student2> <1BD057C7EF4C4D0587C78353AABE304F@JIMPC> <186202.54407.qm@web114113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sorry to create so much confusion. The Registry AND the TAC-ed Tigers are on Norm's site. www.rootes1.com This time I checked rather than go by my failing memory. Click on "The Registry". At the top is a group of Tigers in a warehouse. Near the bottom of that picture in red letters are links. The third one is the Registry (the other two are for input or inquire). The TAC-ed cars are also on Norm's site. Go to The "A" list and select the appropriate year. Tom From s_ralsten at yahoo.com Wed Mar 24 11:16:28 2010 From: s_ralsten at yahoo.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Some thoughts on the Book of Norman In-Reply-To: <305830DD744E4578B6340DE662FAEB08@JIMPC> References: <1356054255.1220150.1269437302705.JavaMail.root@vms183.mailsrvcs.net><465E1C64521D4353A83ECAAB181D90CC@student2><1BD057C7EF4C4D0587C78353AABE304F@JIMPC> <186202.54407.qm@web114113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <305830DD744E4578B6340DE662FAEB08@JIMPC> Message-ID: <662683.44331.qm@web114104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Go to Norms page. rootes1. Click the registry link. In the picture at top of page are 3 more links in red letters. Right side one is "inspect registry" click that then see the blue links on right side of page. Click on link that corresponds to chassis number you are interested in. Steve ________________________________ From: Jim To: Steve Ralsten Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 11:07:21 AM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Some thoughts on the Book of Norman Not that I can see... and I'm there right now... you can add to it... or query it... but other than the 'A' list of TAC'ed cars, I can't find anything else... Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Ralsten Sent: March 24, 2010 10:28 AM To: Thomas Witt; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Some thoughts on the Book of Norman The entire registry is on Norms site. ________________________________ From: Thomas Witt To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 9:52:39 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Some thoughts on the Book of Norman Thanks Jim, I do stand corrected. The TAC-ed cars are on Norm's site, not the Registry. (I hate getting old!!!) Maybe some day they two will be the same! Tom > Hi Tom > > As far as I know, the registry is only in the BON... I've never seen it > anywhere else. Norm only has a listing for the TAC'ed cars ( including mine) > on his website... > > Jim > B382000446 _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/s_ralsten at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2763 - Release Date: 03/24/10 00:33:00 From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Mar 24 11:25:46 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:25:46 EDT Subject: [Tigers] The next generation of Tiger owners... Message-ID: <2296e.1f0d19cc.38dbb32a@aol.com> Talk about young kids, it's been a year or more since we heard from Joey. I think he was the 14 or 15 yr. old with the Tiger his disabled father had passed on to him. He was all excited about the car,but when he got his driver's license I think he wanted something different. I think it was some kind of a "rice burner" or something. Joey, you still out there? Mark L In a message dated 3/24/2010 1:56:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, owain.lloyd at gmail.com writes: I wasn't on that survey and I'm under 30. I'm guessing the other guy was from down under? :) On 24 Mar 2010, at 16:42, "Thomas Witt" wrote: > Almost four years ago to the day I did a poll of the average age of > Tiger owners and years of ownership. For whatever it's worth to the > subject I thought I would throw the results out again to anyone who > is new (or forgot - like me). - Tom > > REMEMBER THESE ARE MARCH, 2006 RESULTS: > > Well..., I had a pocket of time to do some tabulating this afternoon > (with the > help of my kids). I was able to use the ages of 105 of you who > responded. > > The youngest owner is - Joey (of course) at 15 > > The oldest owner is - Bill Carroll at 91 (or soon to be) > > There were 2 people under 30 > > There were 10 people between 30 and 40 > > There were 28 people between 40 and 50 > > There were 32 people between 50 and 60 > > There were 29 people between 60 and 70 > > There were 3 people between 70 and 80 > > There were 0 people between 80 and 90 > > There is 1 person between 90 and 100 > > And, the average age worked out to be.... 53.3 years old. > > If you were 16 (the assumed youngest age to drive) when the Tiger was > available as a true 1965 model you would be 57 today. That falls > right into > the largest age group. > > With me at 48 I stand corrected that I am 5+ years under the average > rather > than slightly over as I had thought (but why do I feel so old???) > > Years of ownership was a bit more difficult with 77 people > responding. Some > people went by model year and others by date of purchase. Other > times I had to > calculate by age at purchase (or year of purchase) to come up with > the numbers > not stated. Others had ownership for more than one car and I only > took the > longest. Some people had a break in ownership that was hard to put > into a > "real" ownership numbers and I dropped those. > So, if you feel like you didn't count properly (especially those in > the 40 + > category), well... I did the best I could under the circumstances. > Years of > ownership was not part of the original question it was only freely > offered by > the responder. So this is a "ballpark" figure at best. > > The shortest year of ownership was 1 > > The longest years of ownership was 42 > > 36 people have owned their cars for 1 to 10 years > > 12 people have owned their cars for 11 to 20 years > > 9 people have owned their cars for 21 to 30 years > > 19 people have owned their cars for 31 to 40 years > > 1 person has owner their car for 40+ years > > I do find it interesting that the years of ownership was greatest > for 1 to 10 > years and 31 to 40 years. Also, that nearly 50% of those responding > owned > their car for 10 years or less. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From jim at island.net Wed Mar 24 11:27:43 2010 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:27:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Some thoughts on the Book of Norman In-Reply-To: References: <1356054255.1220150.1269437302705.JavaMail.root@vms183.mailsrvcs.net><465E1C64521D4353A83ECAAB181D90CC@student2><1BD057C7EF4C4D0587C78353AABE304F@JIMPC> Message-ID: <12326980385C41A7BFDAFA17CD158CF0@JIMPC> Actually... I'VE been corrected...just got an e-mail from Steve Ralston that it IS on there... and He's right...wonder how I missed the link... :( Jim -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: March 24, 2010 9:53 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Some thoughts on the Book of Norman Thanks Jim, I do stand corrected. The TAC-ed cars are on Norm's site, not the Registry. (I hate getting old!!!) Maybe some day they two will be the same! Tom > Hi Tom > > As far as I know, the registry is only in the BON... I've never seen it > anywhere else. Norm only has a listing for the TAC'ed cars ( including > mine) > on his website... > > Jim > B382000446 From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Mar 24 11:41:17 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:41:17 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] The next generation of Tiger owners... References: <2296e.1f0d19cc.38dbb32a@aol.com> Message-ID: <46D1FF827C124357995364CCC2AE6960@student2> >>>Talk about young kids, it's been a year or more since we heard from >>>Joey.<<< I recall he bought a Mustang but I'm not sure if that came at the expense of the ownership of the Tiger. It would be interesting to know what became of the car either way. It seems that the "youth" who own/participate (with) Tigers seem to persist when they are members of a multiple Tiger owning family. Tom From jim at island.net Wed Mar 24 11:58:18 2010 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:58:18 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 'Reply ALL'... In-Reply-To: <50A719C044F44CAC84FB944C140CC5B8@DellD4700> References: <50A719C044F44CAC84FB944C140CC5B8@DellD4700> Message-ID: <9EBD9D6549F647FAA844099900CC69FE@JIMPC> Funny thing about replying to this list... if I hit 'reply all', the poster I'm replying to gets my e-mail.. and often responds back by 'reply all' ... and I see his response on the list.. and then about a half hour later, my original reply shows up on the list ! I've tried deleting things from the bottom of the e-mail etc. ... but generally speaking my posts do not get to the list for 15 min. to an hour after I send them... :( Jim B382000446 From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed Mar 24 12:25:29 2010 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:25:29 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] The next generation of Tiger owners... In-Reply-To: <46D1FF827C124357995364CCC2AE6960@student2> References: <2296e.1f0d19cc.38dbb32a@aol.com> <46D1FF827C124357995364CCC2AE6960@student2> Message-ID: <29427B99-8CB9-42F2-8B40-649A70670F4D@gmail.com> I'm the exception to that rule... On 24 Mar 2010, at 18:41, "Thomas Witt" wrote: >>>> Talk about young kids, it's been a year or more since we heard >>>> from Joey.<<< > > I recall he bought a Mustang but I'm not sure if that came at the > expense of the ownership of the Tiger. It would be interesting to > know what became of the car either way. > It seems that the "youth" who own/participate (with) Tigers seem to > persist when they are members of a multiple Tiger owning family. > > Tom _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Mar 24 12:27:13 2010 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:27:13 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 'Reply ALL'... In-Reply-To: <9EBD9D6549F647FAA844099900CC69FE@JIMPC> References: <50A719C044F44CAC84FB944C140CC5B8@DellD4700> <9EBD9D6549F647FAA844099900CC69FE@JIMPC> Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684024CB859@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> That's because you're on the coast and the mailing list servers are in Utah. Your email has to work against the earth's rotation and that makes it take longer. My emails go straight south and they get to the mailing list much quicker. ;) Theo If you want to see how your messages might get routed by the Internet, then (on a PC) open a command line window and type 'tracert autox.team.net'. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Mar 24 12:49:16 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:49:16 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Some thoughts on the Book of Norman (Registry, TAC correction) Message-ID: <28e15.5bb4cb3a.38dbc6bc@aol.com> The site does show the basic information, but does not show other information that is in the book.....transmission#, rear-end #, etc. Also not on the site are the various comments regarding a particular car...for example "known to be junked" or known "Alger" etc. (these are examples and not actual words from the book...sorry my book is 1,800 miles away). Mark L In a message dated 3/24/2010 2:47:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, atwittsend at verizon.net writes: Sorry to create so much confusion. The Registry AND the TAC-ed Tigers are on Norm's site. www.rootes1.com This time I checked rather than go by my failing memory. Click on "The Registry". At the top is a group of Tigers in a warehouse. Near the bottom of that picture in red letters are links. The third one is the Registry (the other two are for input or inquire). The TAC-ed cars are also on Norm's site. Go to The "A" list and select the appropriate year. Tom _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From mark.rense at ge.com Wed Mar 24 12:49:50 2010 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:49:50 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] The next generation of Tiger owners... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now." -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Witt Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:42 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] The next generation of Tiger owners... Almost four years ago to the day I did a poll of the average age of Tiger owners and years of ownership. From jim at island.net Wed Mar 24 13:08:20 2010 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:08:20 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 'Reply ALL'... In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684024CB859@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> References: <50A719C044F44CAC84FB944C140CC5B8@DellD4700> <9EBD9D6549F647FAA844099900CC69FE@JIMPC> <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684024CB859@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <2BFF28CDE9B84443B95C58CFB675712C@JIMPC> Ya, but the wind is always blowing from west to east.... Shouldn't that help[? ;) Sent @ 1:08 P.D.T. -----Original Message----- From: Smit, Theo [mailto:Theo.Smit at dynastream.com] Sent: March 24, 2010 12:27 PM To: Jim; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] 'Reply ALL'... That's because you're on the coast and the mailing list servers are in Utah. Your email has to work against the earth's rotation and that makes it take longer. My emails go straight south and they get to the mailing list much quicker. ;) Theo If you want to see how your messages might get routed by the Internet, then (on a PC) open a command line window and type 'tracert autox.team.net'. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2763 - Release Date: 03/24/10 00:33:00 From achd73 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 24 13:23:30 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] The next generation of Tiger owners... In-Reply-To: <46D1FF827C124357995364CCC2AE6960@student2> References: <2296e.1f0d19cc.38dbb32a@aol.com> <46D1FF827C124357995364CCC2AE6960@student2> Message-ID: <720934.6264.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "Joey" The last time I spoke to him he had graduated from high school and was off to college. Realizing the Tiger woudnt be a good car for college he bought a 5.0 Mustang and immeadiately started heating up the engine. The Tiger is still in his Fathers grarge and he has no intentions of getting rid of it. Joey is a pretty sharp young man and realizing the potential for damage to and or it being stolen at college, I think he made a wise decesion. His email has changed and the phone numbers I had are in an old phone- just not sure where at or if I even have a charger , so Joe, drop me a note please, as Im sure you remained on the list. The years fly by and it was pretty quick after the Tiger was road ready(he didnt have a drivers license when he was sneaking around and driving the Tiger) that he discovered the true potential of the oppisite sex.He also kept a yard mowing bussiness going and snow removal during winter. He was a busy young man and Im sure he made good grades in college as he did so in HS. Joe there might be a LISTER who is in the position to help with employment after graduation, which may well be getting close. I forget your major but it seems it was mechnical in nature, perhaps engineering. TonytheTiger ________________________________ From: Thomas Witt To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 1:41:17 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] The next generation of Tiger owners... >>> Talk about young kids, it's been a year or more since we heard from Joey.<<< I recall he bought a Mustang but I'm not sure if that came at the expense of the ownership of the Tiger. It would be interesting to know what became of the car either way. It seems that the "youth" who own/participate (with) Tigers seem to persist when they are members of a multiple Tiger owning family. Tom _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed Mar 24 13:43:59 2010 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 20:43:59 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Hydraulics In-Reply-To: References: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684024CB775@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <39a841b1003241343j3ae127edo59fb513d2f9ab1d8@mail.gmail.com> i use the tilton 74 series master cylinders for both. they are cheap and readily available in 1/16" increments. i have the full range! i use 3/4" for the clutch because i like it short and sharp but 5/8 would feel normal. the pushrod needs to be cut short and threaded a bit more but i have two prepared that i just swap over if i'm fitting a new one. i believe i use 15/16" brake master for my hoppers stoppers and rear dale a discs and 7/8 or 13/16 for the stock brakes with no booster. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Tom Parker wrote: > John, > > My recent experience with VB wasn't positive, sadly. The Brake Master > Cylinder came without a fork and the original fork didn't fit. The Clutch > Master Cylinder came with a fork but it won't fit around the clutch pedal > pivot. I haven't attacked that yet, the car;'s still in assembly. I have no > idea what the pedal pressure will be, but the clutch is a standard Mustang > clutch. C.A.T. carries both the clutch master cylinder and slave cylinder. > So does Rick at Sunbeam Specialties. > > Tom > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Smit, Theo >wrote: > > > Hi John, > > What pressure plate are you using? If the clutch hydraulics that you > bought > > have the same diameters as the OEM parts, then the pedal effort should be > > within reason unless you have a extra heavy duty pressure plate bolted to > > the > > flywheel. On the other hand, if VB mixed up and gave you an oversize > master > > cylinder then the pedal effort could be high even though your line > pressure > > is > > still normal. IIRC the stock diameter is 5/8" for the master, and I don't > > remember the slave cylinder diameter. > > > > Many master cylinders from Girling as well as the aftermarket suppliers > use > > the same bolt pattern so they'll all bolt right in, but even a change of > > 1/16" > > in diameter can cause a significant change in pedal effort required. > > > > Cheers, > > Theo > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > > > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Crawley > > > Sent: March 24, 2010 9:09 AM > > > To: LIST TIGER > > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch Hydraulics > > > > > > Hi All: > > > > > > A few years back I needed new clutch hydraulics and since Victoria > > > British > > > had a sale on these Tiger parts I bought a master and slave from > > > them. They > > > fit just fine > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --- > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the > > sole > > use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, > > please > > be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail > > or > > any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > > please contact the sender and delete all copies. > > > > Thank you for your cooperation. > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage : > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com From marcsmall at comcast.net Wed Mar 24 14:21:45 2010 From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:21:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norman In-Reply-To: <820068.75771.qm@web63805.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <1356054255.1220150.1269437302705.JavaMail.root@vms183.mailsrvcs.net> <820068.75771.qm@web63805.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100324222401.D5FEB187647@autox.team.net> At 11:18 AM 3/24/2010, Bill Martin wrote: > Mauro et al, > > To those who are relatively new to the Tiger community I will provide a > little bit of background on the BON. I purchased Rootes Group Depot from > Norm in 2001 and consider myself a very good friend of Norm, so knowing > that he will probably keep quiet I offer this. Norm self published the > BON in 1990. He printed 1000 copies and sold them through Sunbeam > Specialties and sometimes at his shop for 58 bucks. It took him 5 years > to sell out. A couple of years after the printing the print broker went > under and destroyed all of the plates, thus no second editions and Norm > did not break even on the BON he actually lost money. What you don't know > is that he was chastised for having the arrogance to publish a book about > the Tiger by the same community he was trying to improve. I am sure that > with BON2 comes out it will knock everyone on their buts again. So when > you see a BON listed for an astounding amount of money remember that Norm > is not getting a piece of the action, but I am sure he is chuckling. Excellent points. But the destruction of the plates was Norman's bad, as he ought to have insisted they be sent to him or otherwise preserved. (I have done so with both of my books, but, then, I am a very suspicious soul!) However, these plates are no longer necessary. Take one BON. Disassemble it. Scan the pages. Print as many copies as you wish. Norm holds the copyright. Let him do this -- the overhead is astonishingly small -- and he can then sell copies for, say, $100 a copy which will go into his personal fisc. The effort is small, the overhead is minimal, and the return is high. Or, to be high tech, he could scan it and sell it over the Internet. I am rustling money under Norm's nose .... Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Mar 24 15:00:33 2010 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:00:33 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norman In-Reply-To: <20100324222401.D5FEB187647@autox.team.net> References: <1356054255.1220150.1269437302705.JavaMail.root@vms183.mailsrvcs.net><820068.75771.qm@web63805.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20100324222401.D5FEB187647@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684024CB93D@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> So these would then be the "continuation series" BON? Trying to not draw too fine a parallel here... ;) I think it would be more interesting to do a new book that looks at the Tiger's current popularity, such as it is, the amazing amount of reproduction and remanufactured parts available for the car, and what that says about the ownership. Do some profiles of the different types of Tigers and their owners: - the unrestored but well-maintained survivor - the resto-mod - the basket case to concours winner - the autocross and/or track-day special - the barn find An appendix with an updated print registry, and a listing of current clubs would round it out pretty well. Obviously, the above information can already be distilled from a detailed compilation of Internet information, but having it all together in one place would be helpful and having it in print is more palatable to a lot of folks. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Marc James Small > Sent: March 24, 2010 3:22 PM > To: Bill Martin; CoolVT at aol.com; m_dangelo at verizon.net > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Book of Norman > > > However, these plates are no longer > necessary. Take one BON. Disassemble it. Scan > the pages. Print as many copies as you > wish. Norm holds the copyright. Let him do this > -- the overhead is astonishingly small -- and he > can then sell copies for, say, $100 a copy which > will go into his personal fisc. The effort is > small, the overhead is minimal, and the return is high. > > Or, to be high tech, he could scan it and sell it over the Internet. > > I am rustling money under Norm's nose .... > > Marc > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From tigerfixer at yahoo.com Wed Mar 24 15:13:33 2010 From: tigerfixer at yahoo.com (Bill Martin) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:13:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norman Message-ID: <439517.26777.qm@web63807.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Ok Mark, how many people do you think have come up with the scanning idea? Norm has been approached with this countless times and someone did scan one and offered it up on CD, but after Norm's Lawyer got done no more CD's. If Norm was greedy he would have done this. He did his part and didn't make any money so why would he concentrate his efforts on the old book. He has told us that he is working on a new companion book. So without his permission it would be it might be easier to build an ALGER! Bill From marcsmall at comcast.net Wed Mar 24 15:16:58 2010 From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:16:58 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norman In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684024CB93D@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.gar min.com> References: <1356054255.1220150.1269437302705.JavaMail.root@vms183.mailsrvcs.net> <820068.75771.qm@web63805.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20100324222401.D5FEB187647@autox.team.net> <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684024CB93D@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <20100324231641.30DC1187655@autox.team.net> At 06:00 PM 3/24/2010, Smit, Theo wrote: >So these would then be the "continuation series" BON? > >Trying to not draw too fine a parallel here... ;) > > >I think it would be more interesting to do a new book that looks at the >Tiger's current popularity, such as it is, the amazing amount of reproduction >and remanufactured parts available for the car, and what that says about the >ownership. Do some profiles of the different types of Tigers and their >owners: >- the unrestored but well-maintained survivor >- the resto-mod >- the basket case to concours winner >- the autocross and/or track-day special >- the barn find > >An appendix with an updated print registry, and a listing of current clubs >would round it out pretty well. >Obviously, the above information can already be distilled from a detailed >compilation of Internet information, but having it all together in one place >would be helpful and having it in print is more palatable to a lot of folks. You raise some excellent points. I was looking at the issue from just two angles -- the need for raw information to the Sunbeam community and the need to enhance Norman's exchequer. (e-Bay is an oddball forum. One of my books is, quite illegally, still in print and available for $40 or so, but copies routinely sell on e-Bay for $100 or more, generally with statements that I am dead. I am not, incidentally!) To revise the BON would task Norm or someone else to do a LOT of work. This would be a worthy enterprise but would not provide a proper return on investment -- I write books on collector cameras, and spend years of research and writing for a world-wide market of 2.000 folks or so, most of whom I already know. So, a rewrite and expansion of the BON would require a given number of hours of work -- 1,000 would probably be conservative -- not to mention the effort in layout and the like. The market is just not large enough to ensure a return on investment. So I went the lowball route. Just scan and reprint the original BON. Hell, I would buy a reprint at $100, and I do not even own a Tiger and really have little interest in ever owning such a hog. That would put the information out to the community and would put a steady pile of bucks, small but steady, into Norm's checking account. I do not know the lad, but I suspect that he has a need for money, as is the case with the rest of us. Thanks for your thoughts! Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From marcsmall at comcast.net Wed Mar 24 15:22:17 2010 From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:22:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norman In-Reply-To: <439517.26777.qm@web63807.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <439517.26777.qm@web63807.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100324232156.4353B187655@autox.team.net> At 06:13 PM 3/24/2010, Bill Martin wrote: > >Ok Mark, how many people do you think have come up with the scanning idea? >Norm has been approached with this countless times and someone did scan one >and offered it up on CD, but after Norm's Lawyer got done no more CD's. >If Norm was greedy he would have done this. He did his part and didn't make >any money so why would he concentrate his efforts on the old book. He has >told us that he is working on a new companion book. So without his >permission it would be it might be easier to build an ALGER! >Bill Thank you, Bill. Note that the name is "Marc" and not "Mark". The Principle of Enlightened Self-Interest tells us that Norman ought to seek a quick way to make money, and the scanning task seems the way to go. He can then concentrate on BON v.2. A scan-and-reprint would be inexpensive, involve little effort and overhead, and would certainly generate a bit of cash in the pocket. You make Norman sound like a really contrary soul with a nasty streak. I suspect that you are mischaracterizing him. From other reports, he seems to be a reasonable and decent chap. Marc From rande at thecia.net Wed Mar 24 15:48:55 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:48:55 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigertrek -The Next Generation + BON Message-ID: <4baa96d7.1508.0@thecia.net> Been racking my brain all afternoon trying to remember a couple of young guys at Big Bear driving cars. Kim Ulrich in a silver Tiger with Panasports. I think he shares this car with his dad Bruce. Doug Jennings,Jr (I know, he could say F4B before he could Daddy, so no points for remembering him) The notion of publishing more BON's or better yet an updated version sounds neat. Imagine the information and photos we've been able to find just since 1990. Norm, I'm in. I know several others are, as well. Let the eBay BON depreciation project begin. From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Mar 24 15:53:50 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:53:50 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] The next generation of Tiger owners... In-Reply-To: <0A9F5B48-66FC-4546-96F7-D62A65A4C5D0@gmail.com> References: <0A9F5B48-66FC-4546-96F7-D62A65A4C5D0@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm the "down under" guy... I bought my Tiger in late 2006 in the states and shipped it down under to join my first car (a SII alpine that i owned since i was 17) I bought the tiger when i was still 26... it arrived in AU when i had turned 27... It's going to be quite a cold day in hell before they leave my garage! BTW.. a pic of me and the Tig on sunday at Philip Island race circuit: http://www.sdpics.com/cgi-bin/store/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=8000~Motor_Sport/9000~Cars/06~Historic_Racing/50~19-21_March_2010_-_PHILLIP_ISLAND_HISTORICS/14~Shannons_Tour&image=MQ0Y2462.jpg&img=&tt=&tfile=tn_MQ0Y2462.jpg On 25 March 2010 04:36, Owain Lloyd wrote: > I wasn't on that survey and I'm under 30. I'm guessing the other guy was > from down under? :) > -- > Regards > > Michael King From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Wed Mar 24 16:01:16 2010 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:01:16 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norman Message-ID: <98062C9CE6E74256A2023D0A318E65A8@your4dacd0ea75> My view on the BON is rather different. It is a wonderfully written and researched effort containing information in an easily accessed manner. Perhaps the most useful/important today is the "Here Comes the Judge" section which has information that owners trying to restore their cars constantly need to reference. The first problem is that the entire marque needs this information, not just those of lucky enough to own a copy. (Thanks, Norm!) Whether or not Norm does some kind of a reprint or writes a new book (which may or may not include this judging information) doesn't change the "un-lucky's" need for a good reference resouce. CAT owns a BON that it lends out to members but many are not members. As some point in time, I'm sure someone, maybe Doug Jennings or a person like him will sit down and do their own reference version. It's gotten to the point where some (including myself) will no longer use the BON as the source for questions on the Tiger Quiz (given at Tigers United) because of basic fairness to all those who don't have a copy. Buck Trippel From s_ralsten at yahoo.com Wed Mar 24 16:28:17 2010 From: s_ralsten at yahoo.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:28:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norman In-Reply-To: <20100324232156.4353B187655@autox.team.net> References: <439517.26777.qm@web63807.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20100324232156.4353B187655@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <700821.95566.qm@web114106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I don't think anyone who has met or talked to Norm would characterize him as you do. The BON was a tremendous amount of work which yielded little to nothing monitarily. Norm keeps the website up and keeps the registry up all gratis. In my opinion the BON is a collector item that a lucky 1000 people own. Some for $1000 some for $58. It is what it is and it is done. I fantasize about finding one in a garage sale or discount book store stack someday. Other than that I will be waiting for BONII like most. One other aspect you and others don't take into account is that due to this absurd inflation of BON that Norm did not create or benefit from there would now be a great many people that either paid $1k for one or are sitting on theirs believing that they are worth $1k that woud be very very angry if a reprint came out now. I've seen BON and its a really nice bunch of info but it is not a requirement to enjoy Tiger ownership As said before there are plenty of people on this list or that you will meet at Tiger events that are happy to look things up for you ________________________________ From: Marc James Small To: Bill Martin ; CoolVT at aol.com; m_dangelo at verizon.net Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 3:22:17 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Book of Norman At 06:13 PM 3/24/2010, Bill Martin wrote: > >Ok Mark, how many people do you think have come up with the scanning idea? >Norm has been approached with this countless times and someone did scan one >and offered it up on CD, but after Norm's Lawyer got done no more CD's. >If Norm was greedy he would have done this. He did his part and didn't make >any money so why would he concentrate his efforts on the old book. He has >told us that he is working on a new companion book. So without his >permission it would be it might be easier to build an ALGER! >Bill Thank you, Bill. Note that the name is "Marc" and not "Mark". The Principle of Enlightened Self-Interest tells us that Norman ought to seek a quick way to make money, and the scanning task seems the way to go. He can then concentrate on BON v.2. A scan-and-reprint would be inexpensive, involve little effort and overhead, and would certainly generate a bit of cash in the pocket. You make Norman sound like a really contrary soul with a nasty streak. I suspect that you are mischaracterizing him. From other reports, he seems to be a reasonable and decent chap. Marc _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/s_ralsten at yahoo.com From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Mar 24 16:41:12 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:41:12 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norman References: <1356054255.1220150.1269437302705.JavaMail.root@vms183.mailsrvcs.net><820068.75771.qm@web63805.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20100324222401.D5FEB187647@autox.team.net> <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684024CB93D@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <3164E0D4E6774167A28BC12BF8CF7DF8@student2> >>>I think it would be more interesting to do a new book...<<< Keep writing Theo, your off to a flying start! You just finished the table of contents. (Finally I get to go to work in an hour. I'm exhausted from reading/writing Tigers AutoX all day. And to think no one has even mentioned the word Rivets!) :-) Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smit, Theo" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Book of Norman > So these would then be the "continuation series" BON? > > Trying to not draw too fine a parallel here... ;) > > > I think it would be more interesting to do a new book that looks at the > Tiger's current popularity, such as it is, the amazing amount of > reproduction > and remanufactured parts available for the car, and what that says about > the > ownership. Do some profiles of the different types of Tigers and their > owners: > - the unrestored but well-maintained survivor > - the resto-mod > - the basket case to concours winner > - the autocross and/or track-day special > - the barn find > > An appendix with an updated print registry, and a listing of current clubs > would round it out pretty well. > Obviously, the above information can already be distilled from a detailed > compilation of Internet information, but having it all together in one > place > would be helpful and having it in print is more palatable to a lot of > folks. > > Cheers, > Theo > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- >> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Marc James Small >> Sent: March 24, 2010 3:22 PM >> To: Bill Martin; CoolVT at aol.com; m_dangelo at verizon.net >> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Book of Norman >> > >> >> However, these plates are no longer >> necessary. Take one BON. Disassemble it. Scan >> the pages. Print as many copies as you >> wish. Norm holds the copyright. Let him do this >> -- the overhead is astonishingly small -- and he >> can then sell copies for, say, $100 a copy which >> will go into his personal fisc. The effort is >> small, the overhead is minimal, and the return is high. >> >> Or, to be high tech, he could scan it and sell it over the Internet. >> >> I am rustling money under Norm's nose .... >> >> Marc >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2767 - Release Date: 03/24/10 07:33:00 From marcsmall at comcast.net Wed Mar 24 17:12:14 2010 From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 20:12:14 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norman In-Reply-To: <700821.95566.qm@web114106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <439517.26777.qm@web63807.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20100324232156.4353B187655@autox.team.net> <700821.95566.qm@web114106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100325011239.7EFA618764F@autox.team.net> At 07:28 PM 3/24/2010, Steve Ralsten wrote: >I don't think anyone who has met or talked to >Norm would characterize him as you do. Let us keep the record straight. I was the great defender of Norman. An other poster suggested that he was only in it for the money. Not me! READ messages carefully before puffing up and responding! Best, Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From m_dangelo at verizon.net Wed Mar 24 18:25:12 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:25:12 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norman Message-ID: First, I want to repeat that I am appreciative of the work Mr. Miller put into this book. It9s abundantly clear that he made little to no money on the writing or publishing of the book. I hope he makes a bundle on a second volume. The profit is going to the people who are reselling the book for an absurd amount of money. What I implied (said straight out) when I started this topic this morning is that it annoys me to no end when I hear people complain about the TAC program because they think Tiger owners have their cars TACed (or defend the program) because they are somehow greedy or only interested only in the value of their cars. Let9s be clear, it9s all about the car, and these things are expensive. So, a real Tiger is worth a lot of money, and that9s Ok with me. Why would that be a bad thing, and why would it be bothersome to anyone that any owner would be interested in his car maintaining or increasing in value? Why is it somehow more acceptable that 3there would now be a great many people that either paid $1k for one or are sitting on theirs believing that they are worth $1k that would be very very angry if a reprint came out now.2, as Steve pointed out, but not if an owner might be concerned with at least maintaining the value of his Tiger? Imagine a guy spending $35,000 on his Tiger, then seeing the car lose $15,000 in market value. That would be like burning 15 copies of 3The Book Of Norman2. Out. Mauro From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Wed Mar 24 20:25:15 2010 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 23:25:15 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Hard top glass Message-ID: <44148.7724396c.38dc319b@aol.com> Tiger factory hardtop back glasses made from 2mm clear glass(2 pieces) laminated with .30 pvb laminate are available from; LEE FESTICH ALAN AUTO GLASS 972 GRISWOLD AVE. SAN FERNANDO, CA. 818-464-5909 _AAAGLASSS at AOL.COM_ (mailto:AAAGLASSS at AOL.COM) They are $400.00 each plus shipping to your location. They are available in clear, blue, green, amber,several grays and a variety of colors. Hardtop 1/4 glasses can be manufactured to match the color of the back glass. Call for pricing. We did these in 2 mm glass to keep the weight down on the back glass. Every thing is made to order 2-3 weeks to produce + ship time. You can cut tempered glass without breaking it. The first thing you have to do is untemper it then cut it and then temper it. Good Luck In a message dated 3/22/2010 4:28:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Theo.Smit at dynastream.com writes: Rear or side glass is usually made of tempered glass and that's pretty much impossible to cut or drill without having it shatter into a million pieces. Laminated safety glass as used for windshields can be cut, so that would be more likely as a source. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Sosna > Sent: March 22, 2010 5:16 PM > To: Tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hard top glass > > Hi Paul: > I think it was the Nova windshield. > My Tiger had a glass rear window and I'd also heard that it was from a > Chevy Nova. > Mine had the blue stripe across the top of the window--that's why I > believe it was formerly a windshield. > > Best Regards > David Sosna > (Still lurking about) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aaaglasss at aol.com From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Mar 24 22:49:22 2010 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 22:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Hydraulics In-Reply-To: <39a841b1003241343j3ae127edo59fb513d2f9ab1d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684024CB775@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> <39a841b1003241343j3ae127edo59fb513d2f9ab1d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <506167.96854.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You can also look at the short versions of the Tilton 74 series. The make a 75/76 Series which I have on another project in the works and they are a more compact version with the same specs just more compact (shorter mainly). The only downside I have found is if you use the top mount reservoir it has to be a smaller one. I will get these in my Tiger with some new pedals with the balance bar at some point... http://www.tiltonracing.com/content.php?page=list2&id=20&m=b Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Owain Lloyd To: Tom Parker Cc: "Smit, Theo" ; John Crawley ; LIST TIGER Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 1:43:59 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch Hydraulics i use the tilton 74 series master cylinders for both. they are cheap and readily available in 1/16" increments. i have the full range! i use 3/4" for the clutch because i like it short and sharp but 5/8 would feel normal. the pushrod needs to be cut short and threaded a bit more but i have two prepared that i just swap over if i'm fitting a new one. i believe i use 15/16" brake master for my hoppers stoppers and rear dale a discs and 7/8 or 13/16 for the stock brakes with no booster. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Tom Parker wrote: > John, > > My recent experience with VB wasn't positive, sadly. The Brake Master > Cylinder came without a fork and the original fork didn't fit. The Clutch > Master Cylinder came with a fork but it won't fit around the clutch pedal > pivot. I haven't attacked that yet, the car;'s still in assembly. I have no > idea what the pedal pressure will be, but the clutch is a standard Mustang > clutch. C.A.T. carries both the clutch master cylinder and slave cylinder. > So does Rick at Sunbeam Specialties. > > Tom > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Smit, Theo >wrote: From phastphill at aol.com Thu Mar 25 06:06:55 2010 From: phastphill at aol.com (phastphill at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:06:55 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norman In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC9A332D8618F3-204C-19BA@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> ---- Original Message ---- From: MAURO D'ANGELO To: Beamclub Sent: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:25 pm Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norman I was a member of the AHCA for many years and still have lots of friends in the Healey club. I owned my bug-eye for 35 years. Now I know there are more Healey owners but this is what they did. http://www.healeyclub.org/concours.aspx. Its a booklet of what you need to know for a concours, or just if you want to stick to orginal. Don't know if a club like cat could do this, just a thought.........cheers.....phil From dave at munroe.ca Thu Mar 25 06:58:12 2010 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 10:58:12 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norman In-Reply-To: <8CC9A332D8618F3-204C-19BA@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC9A332D8618F3-204C-19BA@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <284E03BFBAD24A5EA736F7F12EB41DED@DavePC> Phil; The AHCA is to be congratulated for providing clear guidelines for those who want to participate in the concours restoration competition of their cars. This, as we all know, requires dedication and effort that goes far beyond the restoration of the vehicle. It also requires a higher level of care to preserve the quality of their work, and necessarily restricts the use of the preserved vehicle. It is good to know the rules of the game if you are serious about playing. But....one of the things I like about the Tiger community is the ready acceptance of non-original modifications to our cars. Not all surviving Tigers can be restored to 100% original condition without the heroic destruction of someone's bank account, and once completed, it is difficult to justify taking it out in the noonday sun or the rain to hasten the deterioration of your hard work and spendyness. My car, for example, a Mk 1A, came to me with a 1967 289 in the engine room. Lots of signs all over that it was a survivor of the track wars. Much better to forget concours competitions, and build a daily driver. This illumination freed me to make safety and comfort changes that make the "modernized" Tiger safer, more comfortable (and perhaps a bit more fun!) to use, without worry of wearing out a pristine example of the marque. No longer a contender for the Concours trophy, these daily driver Tigers can be driven to the meets in comfort, and the money saved by not needing a climate-controlled transporter can be spent on tires, oil changes and birthday gifts. Not to be too specific, but other marques I have been involved with have participant owners who march around with their noses pointed skyward, and loudly deride a peasant who would dare to change a nut or a bolt on their car and thus destroy the factory-issued originality of their sadly abused unit. Long live the Tiger community and its understanding that it is better to save a poorly preserved Tiger, than to send it to the bin because it can never be brought to near concours level condition. I love my "slightly" modified Tiger. Dave B382000450 Phil wrote: " I was a member of the AHCA for many years and still have lots of friends in the Healey club. I owned my bug-eye for 35 years. Now I know there are more Healey owners but this is what they did. http://www.healeyclub.org/concours.aspx. Its a booklet of what you need to know for a concours, or just if you want to stick to orginal. Don't know if a club like cat could do this, just a thought.........cheers.....phil" _______________________________________________ From lpaulick at comcast.net Thu Mar 25 07:04:19 2010 From: lpaulick at comcast.net (Larry Paulick) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 10:04:19 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] test Message-ID: <4BAB6D63.6040101@comcast.net> Test From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Mar 25 07:05:32 2010 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:05:32 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norman In-Reply-To: <8CC9A332D8618F3-204C-19BA@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC9A332D8618F3-204C-19BA@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684024CB99F@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> I'm not the guy with the information, but if people want to contribute material to such a guide then I can organize it and put it up on TigersUnited.com. To be clear, this would NOT be a guide to differentiating Tiger and Alpine chassis. It would be all about the lipstick, makeup, and accessorizing. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of phastphill at aol.com > Sent: March 25, 2010 7:07 AM > To: m_dangelo at verizon.net; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Book of Norman > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: MAURO D'ANGELO > To: Beamclub > Sent: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:25 pm > Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norman > > > I was a member of the AHCA for many years and still have lots of > friends in > the Healey club. I owned my bug-eye for 35 years. Now I know there are > more > Healey owners but this is what they did. > http://www.healeyclub.org/concours.aspx. Its a booklet of what you need > to > know for a concours, or just if you want to stick to orginal. Don't > know if a > club like cat could do this, just a thought.........cheers.....phil > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit at dynastream.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From lpaulick at comcast.net Thu Mar 25 07:20:04 2010 From: lpaulick at comcast.net (Larry Paulick) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 10:20:04 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norman In-Reply-To: <8CC9A332D8618F3-204C-19BA@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC9A332D8618F3-204C-19BA@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4BAB7114.1010306@comcast.net> I suggested such an idea to TEAE about 8-10 years ago, and they did not want to do this. Reasons, not enough people interested in being a judge, too complicated, not enough interest, we are a happy go luck group that does not need all these rules, and on and on. The T-Bird and Mercedes clubs have these rules, and prosper by them. Judges have a guideline to judge by, and owners can dispute if judges show favoritisms. No more monkey business. I went through the Mercedes Judges course, one day, and most of the people, 20 in all, were there to learn how to get their cars ready for the concour event, but about 1/2 were there to be judges as well. How often do you see questions on the color of paint on whatever. When I restored my Tiger, I had Wally Swifts Tiger about 4 miles from me to use as an original Tiger, but most people don't, so the problem continues. Still a very good idea. Larry phastphill at aol.com wrote: > ---- Original Message ---- > From: MAURO D'ANGELO > To: Beamclub > Sent: Wed, Mar 24, 2010 9:25 pm > Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norman > > > I was a member of the AHCA for many years and still have lots of friends in > the Healey club. I owned my bug-eye for 35 years. Now I know there are more > Healey owners but this is what they did. > http://www.healeyclub.org/concours.aspx. Its a booklet of what you need to > know for a concours, or just if you want to stick to orginal. Don't know if a > club like cat could do this, just a thought.........cheers.....phil > _______________________________________________ From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Mar 25 07:32:14 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 10:32:14 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norm Message-ID: <190D92AC62004D4DB9F25D31BD28D3F1@ronpc1> I sent this yesterday but either I did not hit reply all or it is still snailing its way through Al Gore's sophisticated electronic maze. Maybe a bad case of brain fade?? Apologies to Mauro and anyone whom may have received duplicates. Mauro I would not call TBON the bible but it is an excellent history source about the Tiger. It contains many details and a section about the B948 series, "African Violets", the South African Tigers that had not been published elsewhere. TBON, copyright 1993, is not an end all book about Sunbeam Tigers, it is just a beginning. Norm Miller put together an excellent book but there are mistakes and omissions contained within it's pages. These mistakes are just a result of incorrect source material but the best sources he had available and trusted. It is extremely difficult when compiling this amount of information to first recognize an error and then research it to understand the error so it can be corrected. We must all applaud the time, passion, effort and sweat Norm put into his book. I refer to TBON many times and I will indicate if I'm quoting TBON to answer a question on the List. I believe Norm generally answers questions especially if your adding information to his data base. You do have to realize that none of us have all the answers but collectively this List can give a workable answer. One of the biggest complains seems to be there is no one stop DIY web site where we can instantly and easily access the information needed now. I agree, the Tiger community does not have this one stop resource. Most of us only had Club newsletters to publish Tech Tips, the internet was beyond us. I'm not a computer geek type; the full nature and scope of this technology does not come easy to me. Great strides are being made to improve our internet presences and content but we all need to step up to the challenge. There are only a few thousand of us in the Tiger community not 10s of thousands like some marques. EX: Recently several request for information about soft top installation; I found a write-up by John Crawley and submitted it to the List, I used a different write-up 30 years ago for my soft top but could not find that one online. I saw no reply notes that stated "This worked for me, Thanks"; that was a fabulous opportunity to enhance that article with pictures and additional notes if needed. Did anyone step up? I'm in the process of enhancing articles I have written with digital pictures and clarifying content but it takes time. We all need to contribute to the Tiger community the best way we can. You also have to realize that Porsche is still a viable manufacturer with a long production history and online information. The remnants of Rootes and Sunbeam is very thin. The manufacturing of the Tiger extremely short. All information about the Tiger is difficult to find and mostly located in England, if it still exists. There are more volumes of information related to the Tiger that we don't know then there are articles we do know. Ron Fraser From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Mar 25 07:32:58 2010 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:32:58 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norman In-Reply-To: <284E03BFBAD24A5EA736F7F12EB41DED@DavePC> References: <8CC9A332D8618F3-204C-19BA@webmail-d094.sysops.aol.com> <284E03BFBAD24A5EA736F7F12EB41DED@DavePC> Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684024CB9B0@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> In the case of the Tiger the quest for factory originality is more tricky because several of the factory components and chassis construction were somewhat undersized for the application, and certainly never expected to last through 50 years of regular use. It makes the true survivor car all the more rare. If you drive your Tiger regularly then make the changes required so that you feel safe and so that the car performs the way you want. And if we're concerned with spreading the word about Sunbeams in general and Tigers in particular, it's the ones that get driven regularly that will make people sit up and pay attention. All the larger Sunbeam meets cater to personalization and modification of Tigers and Alpines in the concours event, so you don't have to worry about having your driver Tiger compared against a perfect original. On the other hand, you may have to compete against one of Dale's cars... ;) Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Munroe > Sent: March 25, 2010 7:58 AM > To: phastphill at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Book of Norman > > Phil; > > But....one of the things I like about the Tiger community is the ready > acceptance of non-original modifications to our cars. Not all surviving > Tigers can be restored to 100% original condition without the heroic > destruction of someone's bank account, and once completed, it is > difficult > to justify taking it out in the noonday sun or the rain to hasten the > deterioration of your hard work and spendyness. > > My car, for example, a Mk 1A, came to me with a 1967 289 in the engine > room. > Lots of signs all over that it was a survivor of the track wars. Much > better > to forget concours competitions, and build a daily driver. > > This illumination freed me to make safety and comfort changes that make > the > "modernized" Tiger safer, more comfortable (and perhaps a bit more > fun!) to > use, without worry of wearing out a pristine example of the marque. No > longer a contender for the Concours trophy, these daily driver Tigers > can be > driven to the meets in comfort, and the money saved by not needing a > climate-controlled transporter can be spent on tires, oil changes and > birthday gifts. > > > Long live the Tiger community and its understanding that it is better > to > save a poorly preserved Tiger, than to send it to the bin because it > can > never be brought to near concours level condition. > > I love my "slightly" modified Tiger. > > Dave > B382000450 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From alittlemoreink at hotmail.com Thu Mar 25 08:09:23 2010 From: alittlemoreink at hotmail.com (John Crawley) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:09:23 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Hydraulics In-Reply-To: <506167.96854.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: , , <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684024CB775@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>, , <39a841b1003241343j3ae127edo59fb513d2f9ab1d8@mail.gmail.com>, <506167.96854.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Theo . . . your approach is just what I need  find out WHY the clutch is heavy! My mindset was to buy the new parts now so that when my car comes out of its winter hibernation I will be ready to fix it. I can not access the car easily until the snow melts but my first job will be to determine what diameter of cylinders are presently on the car. And Owain thanks to you as well. I was not aware of the Tilton products at all. I believe that they are locally available through a speed shop so once I determine what I need I will be able to get up and running with little delay. Sandy . . . I have looked at the range of products made by Tilton and it would appear that they have a solution to almost any offbeat application. Good to know the difference between the 74 and 75/76 series as it was not clear on the web site I was looking at. Thaks all Jc > Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 22:49:22 -0700 > From: sganz at pacbell.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch Hydraulics > To: owain.lloyd at gmail.com; tkparker1941 at gmail.com > CC: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com; alittlemoreink at hotmail.com; tigers at autox.team.net > > You can also look at the short versions of the Tilton 74 series. The make a 75/76 Series which I have on another project in the works and they are a more compact version with the same specs just more compact (shorter mainly). The only downside I have found is if you use the top mount reservoir it has to be a smaller one. I will get these in my Tiger with some new pedals with the balance bar at some point... > > http://www.tiltonracing.com/content.php?page=list2&id=20&m=b > > Sandy > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Owain Lloyd > To: Tom Parker > Cc: "Smit, Theo" ; John Crawley ; LIST TIGER > Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 1:43:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch Hydraulics > > i use the tilton 74 series master cylinders for both. they are cheap and > readily available in 1/16" increments. i have the full range! i use 3/4" > for the clutch because i like it short and sharp but 5/8 would feel normal. > the pushrod needs to be cut short and threaded a bit more but i have two > prepared that i just swap over if i'm fitting a new one. i believe i use > 15/16" brake master for my hoppers stoppers and rear dale a discs and 7/8 or > 13/16 for the stock brakes with no booster. > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Tom Parker wrote: > > > John, > > > > My recent experience with VB wasn't positive, sadly. The Brake Master > > Cylinder came without a fork and the original fork didn't fit. The Clutch > > Master Cylinder came with a fork but it won't fit around the clutch pedal > > pivot. I haven't attacked that yet, the car;'s still in assembly. I have no > > idea what the pedal pressure will be, but the clutch is a standard Mustang > > clutch. C.A.T. carries both the clutch master cylinder and slave cylinder. > > So does Rick at Sunbeam Specialties. > > > > Tom > > > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Smit, Theo > >wrote: > > > _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712959 From atwittsend at verizon.net Thu Mar 25 08:13:37 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 08:13:37 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norman - what did you pay? Message-ID: <0A2D627A1AD84021A87E8B0C30D4ED9F@student2> Since I hate math I'm not sure why I like statistics, but I do. Since I did the poll on Tiger owners age, why not do one on what people paid for "The Book of Norman." So, if you choose sent me the price you paid for the book AND the year you purchased it (approximates will be fine). I'll give it two weeks and then present the findings (price/year) to the list. I'll exclude names. In closing I'll say unless there are private sales I don't think I have been aware for more than about 3 - 5 books that sold on Ebay for more than $1,000 in the past 3 years or so. With the auction process I don't think it is people buying them to resell at high prices. Rather it is supply and demand, - plus the economy. If it hasn't been snatched up, one listed offered his TBON for $800 the other day. A few years ago a TBON sold on Ebay as I recall for $1,550. Good news, the price (in this instance) has come down considerably! Tom From shutchin at netjets.com Thu Mar 25 08:39:11 2010 From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 11:39:11 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norman - what did you pay? In-Reply-To: <0A2D627A1AD84021A87E8B0C30D4ED9F@student2> References: <0A2D627A1AD84021A87E8B0C30D4ED9F@student2> Message-ID: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D40896628B@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com> Got it with the car. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations NetJets Large Aircraft O. 860.292.1191 M. 843.290.2805 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:14 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norman - what did you pay? Since I hate math I'm not sure why I like statistics, but I do. Since I did the poll on Tiger owners age, why not do one on what people paid for "The Book of Norman." So, if you choose sent me the price you paid for the book AND the year you purchased it (approximates will be fine). I'll give it two weeks and then present the findings (price/year) to the list. I'll exclude names. In closing I'll say unless there are private sales I don't think I have been aware for more than about 3 - 5 books that sold on Ebay for more than $1,000 in the past 3 years or so. With the auction process I don't think it is people buying them to resell at high prices. Rather it is supply and demand, - plus the economy. If it hasn't been snatched up, one listed offered his TBON for $800 the other day. A few years ago a TBON sold on Ebay as I recall for $1,550. Good news, the price (in this instance) has come down considerably! Tom _______________________________________________ *** ******* This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. From jim at island.net Thu Mar 25 08:54:44 2010 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 08:54:44 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norman - what did you pay? In-Reply-To: <0A2D627A1AD84021A87E8B0C30D4ED9F@student2> References: <0A2D627A1AD84021A87E8B0C30D4ED9F@student2> Message-ID: <70B76D17C0264A228114585F5BEF0B0E@JIMPC> I saw one for sale 2 years ago for $35 on Craigslist!! I posted about on here I think... and the CAT forum ... I was too late by a couple days... :( I DO know it went to California... e-Pay prices seem to vary a lot .... guess 2 people have to want it... I used to sell a lot of gauges and other stuff on there... but would rather trade with other owners... I always end up buying more than selling... lol! Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: March 25, 2010 8:14 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norman - what did you pay? Since I hate math I'm not sure why I like statistics, but I do. Since I did the poll on Tiger owners age, why not do one on what people paid for "The Book of Norman." So, if you choose sent me the price you paid for the book AND the year you purchased it (approximates will be fine). I'll give it two weeks and then present the findings (price/year) to the list. I'll exclude names. In closing I'll say unless there are private sales I don't think I have been aware for more than about 3 - 5 books that sold on Ebay for more than $1,000 in the past 3 years or so. With the auction process I don't think it is people buying them to resell at high prices. Rather it is supply and demand, - plus the economy. If it hasn't been snatched up, one listed offered his TBON for $800 the other day. A few years ago a TBON sold on Ebay as I recall for $1,550. Good news, the price (in this instance) has come down considerably! Tom From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Thu Mar 25 14:34:06 2010 From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:34:06 EDT Subject: [Tigers] The next generation of Tiger owners... Message-ID: <7a622.37c29cb4.38dd30ce@aol.com> The older I get the better I was. Fred Baum In a message dated 3/24/2010 4:10:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark.rense at ge.com writes: "I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now." -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Witt Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:42 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] The next generation of Tiger owners... Almost four years ago to the day I did a poll of the average age of Tiger owners and years of ownership. _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/fhsloth13 at aol.com From m_dangelo at verizon.net Thu Mar 25 15:10:39 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:10:39 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] The next generation of Tiger owners... In-Reply-To: <7a622.37c29cb4.38dd30ce@aol.com> Message-ID: The better I get, the older I am. On 3/25/10 5:34 PM, "FHSLOTH13 at aol.com" wrote: > The older I get the better I was. > > Fred Baum > > > In a message dated 3/24/2010 4:10:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > mark.rense at ge.com writes: > > "I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now." > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Witt > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:42 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] The next generation of Tiger owners... > > Almost four years ago to the day I did a poll of the average age of > Tiger owners and years of ownership. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/fhsloth13 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/m_dangelo at verizon.net From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com Thu Mar 25 17:13:54 2010 From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] The next generation Message-ID: <812100.51640.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The older I get, the angier I get (but lets not talk politics) ...all joking aside...I am 60, but I have a 21 year old daughter...she grew up riding in Sunbeams as I did in my dad's Hillman and neighbors alpine.....I have a nice Alpine in the garage for her when she graduates college and she will havemy other Alpine and Tiger one day.....So there will be many siblings of Sunbeam owners in the mix for the next generation...Our cars will outlive us! Mike From slaifman at socal.rr.com Thu Mar 25 18:39:14 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (slaifman at socal.rr.com) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 1:39:14 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norm In-Reply-To: <190D92AC62004D4DB9F25D31BD28D3F1@ronpc1> Message-ID: <20100326013914.BMHUZ.363605.root@cdptpa-web08-z01> Ron, and other friends, I have known John Crawley, for many years, as a frequent correspondent of articles for TigersUnited.com . This link (page 19 of 31) of a much larger illustrated article by John, that covers the installation of a Soft Top - written and published in March, 2001 (has it really been 9 years?) http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/JCrawleyRest/rt-JCrawleyRest19.asp This is amongst 50 listings (some duplication) in the SEARCH function for his name. (Upper Right Magnifying glass on every page) I recommend that any Tiger enthusiast should look at the mountain of photos and articles from their own Tiger fans. Enjoy your resources. Steve (Editor - TigersUnited.com) ---- Ron Fraser wrote: > > EX: Recently several request for information about soft top installation; I > found a write-up by John Crawley and submitted it to the List, I used a > different write-up 30 years ago for my soft top but could not find that one > online. I saw no reply notes that stated "This worked for me, Thanks"; > that was a fabulous opportunity to enhance that article with pictures and > additional notes if needed. Did anyone step up? I'm in the process of > enhancing articles I have written with digital pictures and clarifying > content but it takes time. We all need to contribute to the Tiger > community the best way we can. > > > Ron Fraser From Parlanti at comcast.net Fri Mar 26 10:55:57 2010 From: Parlanti at comcast.net (Joe Parlanti) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:55:57 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Nice Plug... In-Reply-To: <20100326013914.BMHUZ.363605.root@cdptpa-web08-z01> References: <190D92AC62004D4DB9F25D31BD28D3F1@ronpc1> <20100326013914.BMHUZ.363605.root@cdptpa-web08-z01> Message-ID: <002c01cacd0d$9c841050$d58c30f0$@net> I just received the latest issue of the Hagerty newsletter which has a neat little article called "The Hagerty's Cars That Matter Principle of Substitution". You'll find a nice plug for the Tiger. http://www.hagerty.com/lifestyle/hobby_article.aspx?id=64810 Cheers, Joe Parlanti B382000026 From mark.rense at ge.com Fri Mar 26 12:21:53 2010 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:21:53 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] A lifetime of restorations.......... Message-ID: A sad pictorial of of abandoned sports and exotic from cars around the world. Maybe we should establish a rescue fund.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGdy1k9bEcs From onegonefish at comcast.net Fri Mar 26 15:55:59 2010 From: onegonefish at comcast.net (Gary Fish) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:55:59 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tach conversion Message-ID: <20100326235558.A30CF18764B@autox.team.net> I am looking for information on how to convert a 4cyl Alpine tach to 8cyl for use in a Tiger. Does anyone know where I can get this information? Gary 1265 From mk1a67 at gmail.com Fri Mar 26 21:52:45 2010 From: mk1a67 at gmail.com (Cliff Alexander) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 21:52:45 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tach conversion In-Reply-To: <20100326235558.A30CF18764B@autox.team.net> References: <20100326235558.A30CF18764B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8abbe6e01003262152x6a385a9he04c20b8c2410462@mail.gmail.com> Gary-- Contact Tom Hall at modtiger at comcast.net. He has done a couple of conversions for me and they work great. Cliff On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Gary Fish wrote: > I am looking for information on how to convert a 4cyl Alpine tach to 8cyl > for use in a Tiger. Does anyone know where I can get this information? > > > > Gary 1265 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mk1a67 at gmail.com From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sat Mar 27 08:38:58 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 11:38:58 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tach conversion In-Reply-To: <20100326235558.A30CF18764B@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4008A8FC3DBA4F08BA33DC7B1106B270@ronpc1> Gary There are numerous Tech Tips and writings on this subject. Here is an overview written by Tom Hall and Theo Smit. http://www.stoa-tigerclub.com/tech/stoa_tech_9904.pdf http://members.shaw.ca/tsmit/tachmod/tachmod0.html http://members.shaw.ca/tsmit/tachmod/tachmod.html Additional reading: http://www.britishcarforum.com/lore/article.php?id=063 Attachment is just off to the right side in a small box http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/downloads/alpine_tach_repair_rev5.pdf http://www.classictiger.com/techtips/motach.html The biggest problem can be calibrating the Tach after conversion. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Fish Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 6:56 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tach conversion I am looking for information on how to convert a 4cyl Alpine tach to 8cyl for use in a Tiger. Does anyone know where I can get this information? Gary 1265 _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2771 - Release Date: 03/26/10 07:33:00 From slaifman at socal.rr.com Sat Mar 27 17:19:22 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 17:19:22 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 94 In-Reply-To: <597DDFF471C349DC992D932CF21FD6EF@computer> References: <597DDFF471C349DC992D932CF21FD6EF@computer> Message-ID: <4BAEA08A.1090007@socal.rr.com> Tigers, I just went to Hagerty's site and asked for a quote for "Stated Value" $50,000 for my '65 Mk I and $25,000 for my 2005 Thunderbird. They rejected the T-Bird because it wasn't old enough. They did quote on the Tiger, including the 2nd level (one-up) Towing : 50-Mile Plan Pays for the first 50 miles of emergency flatbed towing OR the first $100 of other roadside services like fuel delivery, battery jumps and lockout service. This plan covers up to three incidents per year for your collector vehicles or trailers towing your collector vehicles. For information on additional membership options please call 800-922-4050 The Vehicle is Described as 1965 Sunbeam Tiger Mk I, Type: Antique, Agreed Value: $50,000 (NO, that is not an offer to sell! :-) These nomenclatures are standard breakouts for policy pricing. See you current policy for comparison. BI $100,000 pp, $300,000 per accident PD Medical $1,000 PP Per Accident $1,000 BI Uninsured Motorist $100,000 Damage to Auto Collision ($0 Deductible) Other than Collision $0 Deductible Limited Earthquake Policy (Aggregate) $50,000 Spare Parts - $750 Total limit. Good driver discount. Mature Operator Accident Prevention Course Discount, Licensed more than 10 years Discounts, Garaged car - Applied. Bottom Line (includes Hagerty Plus Membership @ $40): |========| | $574 | |========| Remember, this is for the car stated, about 10,000 miles/year (actually a LOT lower) and Los Angeles, California address. Your rates may vary by location and Stated Value. I picked the stated value, and they priced it accordingly. They did not specify THEIR choice of repair facility, or mechanic/body shop rates, requirement to use certain parts suppliers, used parts, or mandates on quality of workmanship. Don't know what "fine print" might say, but these things have been worrisome limitations by some insurance adjusters. I don't know about you, but this is a better deal than AAA with 3 cars, providing, of course, they do not give you much hassle on a claim. I believe that they make different policies (or none insured) with Performance Additions for power enhancement, nor how they feel about Factory Offered equipment like the LAT catalog. You got a 427 CID in there? Hope this is of some help in ball-parking the issue. Steve Laifman > Mountjoy wrote: > I cannot advise to strongly to STAY AWAY from Hagerty. They burned me > to the tune of ~10K on the Le Mans Tiger. Also burned a friend on his > real Cobra. > > There are plenty of companies who handle specialty cars... Grundy, > Condon & Skelly, J.C. Taylor and many others... even State Farm and > Barrett-Jackson have jiumped into the game. Make sure you get "agreed > value" for your car. > > Darrell > > > Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:12:24 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tony Somebody > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Insurance > To: Beamclub > Message-ID: <588408.24135.qm at web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > It seems I have found a large difference in insurance compaines > locally here in southern IL. While one company(Country Compaines) has > decent Tiger insurance, my other cars are high- another local > comopany(name forgotten but what I would refer to as jobber insurance > has good car insurance but the Tiger insutrance is high PLUS they told > me a few years back the Tiger had gone up in value above a 56 Vette > but whiklle I was told the car was worth 25k then, I read the policy > to lrearn I only have 15k replacement insurance. Anyone have any > reccomendations of insurance compaines. I seem to recall we have an > owner who sells car insurance but any thoughts would be appreciated- > on list or private- both is fine with em. > Many regards to ALL our members- even the one who called me an > asshole. Wait until you get to meet me in person. > Cheers, > TonytheTiger > _______________________________________________ From chris at cthompson.net Sat Mar 27 18:15:11 2010 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 21:15:11 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty In-Reply-To: <4BAEA08A.1090007@socal.rr.com> References: <597DDFF471C349DC992D932CF21FD6EF@computer> <4BAEA08A.1090007@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <4BAEAD9F.8000602@cthompson.net> Hagerty (who insures my car collection) also seems to like the Tiger - http://www.hagerty.com/lifestyle/hobby_article.aspx?id=64810 Steve Laifman wrote: > Tigers, > > I just went to Hagerty's site and asked for a > quote for "Stated Value" $50,000 for my '65 Mk I and $25,000 for my 2005 > Thunderbird. From slaifman at socal.rr.com Sat Mar 27 18:55:57 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:55:57 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty Insurance for Tiger Message-ID: <4BAEB72D.1090001@socal.rr.com> I sent this information, perhaps with the wrong list address, and certainly without the descriptive title. So, here it is, again. Tigers, I just went to Hagerty's site and asked for a quote for "Stated Value" $50,000 for my '65 Mk I and $25,000 for my 2005 Thunderbird. They rejected the T-Bird because it wasn't old enough. They did quote on the Tiger, including the 2nd level (one-up) Towing : 50-Mile Plan Pays for the first 50 miles of emergency flatbed towing OR the first $100 of other roadside services like fuel delivery, battery jumps and lockout service. This plan covers up to three incidents per year for your collector vehicles or trailers towing your collector vehicles. For information on additional membership options please call 800-922-4050 The Vehicle is Described as 1965 Sunbeam Tiger Mk I, Type: Antique, Agreed Value: $50,000 (NO, that is not an offer to sell! :-) These nomenclatures are standard breakouts for policy pricing. See you current policy for comparison. BI $100,000 pp, $300,000 per accident PD Medical $1,000 PP Per Accident $1,000 BI Uninsured Motorist $100,000 Damage to Auto Collision ($0 Deductible) Other than Collision $0 Deductible Limited Earthquake Policy (Aggregate) $50,000 Spare Parts - $750 Total limit. Good driver discount. Mature Operator Accident Prevention Course Discount, Licensed more than 10 years Discounts, Garaged car - Applied. Bottom Line (includes Hagerty Plus Membership @ $40): |=========| |---- $574 ----| |=========| Remember, this is for the car stated, about 10,000 miles/year (actually a LOT lower) and Los Angeles, California address. Your rates may vary by location and Stated Value. I picked the stated value, and they priced it accordingly. They did not specify THEIR choice of repair facility, or mechanic/body shop rates, requirement to use certain parts suppliers, used parts, or mandates on quality of workmanship. Don't know what "fine print" might say, but these things have been worrisome limitations by some insurance adjusters. I don't know about you, but this is a better deal than AAA with 3 cars, providing, of course, they do not give you much hassle on a claim. I believe that they make different policies (or none insured) with Performance Additions for power enhancement, nor how they feel about Factory Offered equipment like the LAT catalog. You got a 427 CID in there? Hope this is of some help in ball-parking the issue. Steve Laifman > From s_ralsten at yahoo.com Sat Mar 27 21:01:20 2010 From: s_ralsten at yahoo.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 21:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty Insurance for Tiger In-Reply-To: <4BAEB72D.1090001@socal.rr.com> References: <4BAEB72D.1090001@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <72799.72466.qm@web114111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> My Haggerty coverage is $358 per year for agreed value of $42000. It also ties in to my Allstate insurance so the umbrella policy is also on the Tiger. No claims and hope I never do, but seems a fair price. I'm also in LA County like Steve L Steve B9473720 ________________________________ From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Sent: Sat, March 27, 2010 6:55:57 PM Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty Insurance for Tiger I sent this information, perhaps with the wrong list address, and certainly without the descriptive title. So, here it is, again. Tigers, I just went to Hagerty's site and asked for a quote for "Stated Value" $50,000 for my '65 Mk I and $25,000 for my 2005 Thunderbird. They rejected the T-Bird because it wasn't old enough. They did quote on the Tiger, including the 2nd level (one-up) Towing : 50-Mile Plan Pays for the first 50 miles of emergency flatbed towing OR the first $100 of other roadside services like fuel delivery, battery jumps and lockout service. This plan covers up to three incidents per year for your collector vehicles or trailers towing your collector vehicles. For information on additional membership options please call 800-922-4050 The Vehicle is Described as 1965 Sunbeam Tiger Mk I, Type: Antique, Agreed Value: $50,000 (NO, that is not an offer to sell! :-) These nomenclatures are standard breakouts for policy pricing. See you current policy for comparison. BI $100,000 pp, $300,000 per accident PD Medical $1,000 PP Per Accident $1,000 BI Uninsured Motorist $100,000 Damage to Auto Collision ($0 Deductible) Other than Collision $0 Deductible Limited Earthquake Policy (Aggregate) $50,000 Spare Parts - $750 Total limit. Good driver discount. Mature Operator Accident Prevention Course Discount, Licensed more than 10 years Discounts, Garaged car - Applied. Bottom Line (includes Hagerty Plus Membership @ $40): |=========| |---- $574 ----| |=========| Remember, this is for the car stated, about 10,000 miles/year (actually a LOT lower) and Los Angeles, California address. Your rates may vary by location and Stated Value. I picked the stated value, and they priced it accordingly. They did not specify THEIR choice of repair facility, or mechanic/body shop rates, requirement to use certain parts suppliers, used parts, or mandates on quality of workmanship. Don't know what "fine print" might say, but these things have been worrisome limitations by some insurance adjusters. I don't know about you, but this is a better deal than AAA with 3 cars, providing, of course, they do not give you much hassle on a claim. I believe that they make different policies (or none insured) with Performance Additions for power enhancement, nor how they feel about Factory Offered equipment like the LAT catalog. You got a 427 CID in there? Hope this is of some help in ball-parking the issue. Steve Laifman > _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/s_ralsten at yahoo.com From arado7 at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 28 03:34:43 2010 From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 03:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty Insurance for Tiger In-Reply-To: <72799.72466.qm@web114111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <422070.34492.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sun, 3/28/10, Steve Ralsten wrote: My Tiger, MGA is hagerty. My motorcycles; Norton, triumph R3 and ST675 is progressive. My mini, crossfire, PT and house is Erie. All handled by Agent John Engles. A Tiger man and a man of honor. Cost is best I ever had. Thanks John! Gary Moore B9472283. ________________________________ From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Sent: Sat, March 27, 2010 6:55:57 PM Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty Insurance for Tiger I sent this information, perhaps with the wrong list address, and certainly without the descriptive title. So, here it is, again. Tigers, I just went to Hagerty's site and asked for a quote for "Stated Value" $50,000 for my '65 Mk I and $25,000 for my 2005 Thunderbird. They rejected the T-Bird because it wasn't old enough. They did quote on the Tiger, including the 2nd level (one-up) Towing : 50-Mile Plan Pays for the first 50 miles of emergency flatbed towing OR the first $100 of other roadside services like fuel delivery, battery jumps and lockout service. This plan covers up to three incidents per year for your collector vehicles or trailers towing your collector vehicles. For information on additional membership options please call 800-922-4050 The Vehicle is Described as 1965 Sunbeam Tiger Mk I, Type: Antique, Agreed Value: $50,000 (NO, that is not an offer to sell! :-) These nomenclatures are standard breakouts for policy pricing. See you current policy for comparison. BI $100,000 pp, $300,000 per accident PD Medical $1,000 PP Per Accident $1,000 BI Uninsured Motorist $100,000 Damage to Auto Collision ($0 Deductible) Other than Collision $0 Deductible Limited Earthquake Policy (Aggregate) $50,000 Spare Parts - $750 Total limit. Good driver discount. Mature Operator Accident Prevention Course Discount, Licensed more than 10 years Discounts, Garaged car - Applied. Bottom Line (includes Hagerty Plus Membership @ $40): |=========| |---- $574 ----| |=========| Remember, this is for the car stated, about 10,000 miles/year (actually a LOT lower) and Los Angeles, California address. Your rates may vary by location and Stated Value. I picked the stated value, and they priced it accordingly. They did not specify THEIR choice of repair facility, or mechanic/body shop rates, requirement to use certain parts suppliers, used parts, or mandates on quality of workmanship. Don't know what "fine print" might say, but these things have been worrisome limitations by some insurance adjusters. I don't know about you, but this is a better deal than AAA with 3 cars, providing, of course, they do not give you much hassle on a claim. I believe that they make different policies (or none insured) with Performance Additions for power enhancement, nor how they feel about Factory Offered equipment like the LAT catalog. You got a 427 CID in there? Hope this is of some help in ball-parking the issue. Steve Laifman > _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/s_ralsten at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/arado7 at sbcglobal.net From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Mar 28 06:10:45 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 09:10:45 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Hagerty Insurance for Tiger Message-ID: <1760f.37e8b118.38e0af55@aol.com> Steve, I think you've brought up a good point that's normally not mentioned in the insurance cost discussion....location. I normally insure my cars in Vermont..a very low population and low auto risk state. I recently was going to register and insure a car in Florida. The premium is 80% higher in Florida for the same State Farm policy. Get into a place like Boston and it would probably be another 80% over the Florida price. In other words, in our premium discussions we aren't always comparing apples to apples. Mark L In a message dated 3/27/2010 10:42:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, slaifman at socal.rr.com writes: I sent this information, perhaps with the wrong list address, and certainly without the descriptive title. So, here it is, again. Tigers, I just went to Hagerty's site and asked for a quote for "Stated Value" $50,000 for my '65 Mk I and $25,000 for my 2005 Thunderbird. They rejected the T-Bird because it wasn't old enough. They did quote on the Tiger, including the 2nd level (one-up) Towing : 50-Mile Plan Pays for the first 50 miles of emergency flatbed towing OR the first $100 of other roadside services like fuel delivery, battery jumps and lockout service. This plan covers up to three incidents per year for your collector vehicles or trailers towing your collector vehicles. For information on additional membership options please call 800-922-4050 The Vehicle is Described as 1965 Sunbeam Tiger Mk I, Type: Antique, Agreed Value: $50,000 (NO, that is not an offer to sell! :-) These nomenclatures are standard breakouts for policy pricing. See you current policy for comparison. BI $100,000 pp, $300,000 per accident PD Medical $1,000 PP Per Accident $1,000 BI Uninsured Motorist $100,000 Damage to Auto Collision ($0 Deductible) Other than Collision $0 Deductible Limited Earthquake Policy (Aggregate) $50,000 Spare Parts - $750 Total limit. Good driver discount. Mature Operator Accident Prevention Course Discount, Licensed more than 10 years Discounts, Garaged car - Applied. Bottom Line (includes Hagerty Plus Membership @ $40): |=========| |---- $574 ----| |=========| Remember, this is for the car stated, about 10,000 miles/year (actually a LOT lower) and Los Angeles, California address. Your rates may vary by location and Stated Value. I picked the stated value, and they priced it accordingly. They did not specify THEIR choice of repair facility, or mechanic/body shop rates, requirement to use certain parts suppliers, used parts, or mandates on quality of workmanship. Don't know what "fine print" might say, but these things have been worrisome limitations by some insurance adjusters. I don't know about you, but this is a better deal than AAA with 3 cars, providing, of course, they do not give you much hassle on a claim. I believe that they make different policies (or none insured) with Performance Additions for power enhancement, nor how they feel about Factory Offered equipment like the LAT catalog. You got a 427 CID in there? Hope this is of some help in ball-parking the issue. Steve Laifman > _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From s_ralsten at yahoo.com Sun Mar 28 10:01:55 2010 From: s_ralsten at yahoo.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Factory steel wheels wanted Message-ID: <429608.2150.qm@web114110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I'm looking for a pair in good condition to complete a set for Tigers Untied. Steve From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Sun Mar 28 11:05:29 2010 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:05:29 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] MkII Question Message-ID: <3EFE961CFE1543E3AF0E3D109C970DD6@BucksLaptop> I have a MkII question. Steve Ralsten pointed out this eBay auction to me. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Rootes-Sunbeam-Tiger-MKII-chrome-headlamp-rim_ W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3cab814785QQitemZ260575414149QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fT ruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories I don't know much about MkIIs. I know this shaped rim was used on MkIIs. But I thought the factory always delivered these rims painted the color of the body. Did Rootes ever deliver MkIIs with chrome headlight rims ("doors")? thanks, Buck Triippel From bob at rjosten.com Sun Mar 28 11:51:36 2010 From: bob at rjosten.com (Bob Josten) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:51:36 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] MkII Question In-Reply-To: <3EFE961CFE1543E3AF0E3D109C970DD6@BucksLaptop> References: <3EFE961CFE1543E3AF0E3D109C970DD6@BucksLaptop> Message-ID: Hi Buck, I've heard that they came in chrome on the early (1961 or so) Hillman Husky and Super Minx. I bought a pair in chrome from ebayUK and there were advertised as 'Hillman Super Minx' headlight doors. When I got them I compared them to the painted mk2 tiger rims that came on my car and they look exactly the same. Maybe they were misidentified, I don't know. Here is an early Husky, it looks about right. http://www.sa.hillman.org.au/ID_HuskySerI.htm regards Bob On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Buck Trippel wrote: > I have a MkII question. > > Steve Ralsten pointed out this eBay auction to me. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Rootes-Sunbeam-Tiger-MKII-chrome-headlamp-rim_ > > W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3cab814785QQitemZ260575414149QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fT > ruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories > > I don't know much about MkIIs. > > I know this shaped rim was used on MkIIs. But I thought the factory always > delivered these rims painted the color of the body. > > Did Rootes ever deliver MkIIs with chrome headlight rims ("doors")? From CMeinel464 at aol.com Sun Mar 28 12:26:29 2010 From: CMeinel464 at aol.com (CMeinel464 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:26:29 EDT Subject: [Tigers] MkII Question Message-ID: <3da3.149fb2e6.38e10765@aol.com> Buck, All Alpines & Tigers came with body color headlight rims. The chrome ones you see on Ebay now and then are from other Rootes products such as the Hillman Minx. I see guys putting these on Alpines & Tigers and saying that they are factory. They are not!!!! Hope this helps. Curt Classic Sunbeam inc. In a message dated 3/28/2010 1:32:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, BuckTrippel at Verizon.net writes: I have a MkII question. Steve Ralsten pointed out this eBay auction to me. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Rootes-Sunbeam-Tiger-MKII-chrome-headlamp-rim _ W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3cab814785QQitemZ260575414149QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5f T ruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories I don't know much about MkIIs. I know this shaped rim was used on MkIIs. But I thought the factory always delivered these rims painted the color of the body. Did Rootes ever deliver MkIIs with chrome headlight rims ("doors")? thanks, Buck Triippel _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmeinel464 at aol.com From PhastPhill at aol.com Sun Mar 28 12:42:00 2010 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:42:00 EDT Subject: [Tigers] MkII Question Message-ID: <5880a.26394e11.38e10b08@aol.com> My MKII has the chrome rims, but I can't swear it came with them. But I think it did.....cheers....phil From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Sun Mar 28 12:45:04 2010 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:45:04 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] MkII Question References: <3da3.149fb2e6.38e10765@aol.com> Message-ID: Curt, Thanks! That answers my question perfectly! I guess "to be correct" a guy buying one of these sets for a MKII gets to take them to the local chrome shop, have the chrome stripped and then primer & paint them to match the body color. It's bizzare that they seem to command a premium. I guess some just believed the ads. I have suspected that chrome rims on the MKII were incorrect but now I know. again, Thanks! Buck ----- Original Message ----- From: CMeinel464 at aol.com To: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] MkII Question Buck, All Alpines & Tigers came with body color headlight rims. The chrome ones you see on Ebay now and then are from other Rootes products such as the Hillman Minx. I see guys putting these on Alpines & Tigers and saying that they are factory. They are not!!!! Hope this helps. Curt Classic Sunbeam inc. In a message dated 3/28/2010 1:32:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, BuckTrippel at Verizon.net writes: I have a MkII question. Steve Ralsten pointed out this eBay auction to me. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Rootes-Sunbeam-Tiger-MKII-chrome-headlamp- rim_ W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3cab814785QQitemZ260575414149QQptZMotorsQ5fCar Q5fT ruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories I don't know much about MkIIs. I know this shaped rim was used on MkIIs. But I thought the factory always delivered these rims painted the color of the body. Did Rootes ever deliver MkIIs with chrome headlight rims ("doors")? thanks, Buck Triippel _______________________________________________ From sganz at pacbell.net Sun Mar 28 13:36:46 2010 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Non-Tiger Transmission Question Message-ID: <246305.75504.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Working on a new transmission swap in my 65' mustang and need to make some new linkage rods for the T101A (Race version of a T10) that is going in. Anyone seen straight unbent shift rods? I recall seeing kits for them years ago but can't find them on the net. I need to move one of the longer rods around a chassis obstacle and would be better to with a start fresh rod. I would try some rod standard material but the linkage has a swedged at the end where it goes into the transmission selector arm and would be nice to start with that. Thanks Sandy From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun Mar 28 14:58:43 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:58:43 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] MkII Question In-Reply-To: References: <3da3.149fb2e6.38e10765@aol.com> Message-ID: Buck, and others. There is alwatys debate about the chrome v paitned rims. Much like people who claim ot have had chrome wires on their alpines. Chrome was not a FACTORY finish. Dealers could fit all sorts of things for you, but that was not how they were delivered from the UK. The only execption might be very late alpines, as in last hundred or so.. seems a that point rootes would just fit what they had,, these cars often came with MKII style rims, liscence plate lamps mounted ON the rear bumper and other irregularities. On 29 March 2010 06:45, Buck Trippel wrote: > Curt, > > Thanks! That answers my question perfectly! > > I guess "to be correct" a guy buying one of these sets for a MKII gets to > take > them to the local chrome shop, have the chrome stripped and then primer & > paint them to match the body color. > > It's bizzare that they seem to command a premium. I guess some just > believed > the ads. > > I have suspected that chrome rims on the MKII were incorrect but now I > know. > > again, > Thanks! > > Buck > ----- Original Message ----- > From: CMeinel464 at aol.com > To: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net > Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 12:26 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] MkII Question > > > Buck, > All Alpines & Tigers came with body color headlight rims. The chrome ones > you see on Ebay now and then are from other Rootes products such as the > Hillman Minx. I see guys putting these on Alpines & Tigers and saying that > they are factory. They are not!!!! > Hope this helps. > Curt > Classic Sunbeam inc. > > In a message dated 3/28/2010 1:32:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > BuckTrippel at Verizon.net writes: > I have a MkII question. > > Steve Ralsten pointed out this eBay auction to me. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Rootes-Sunbeam-Tiger-MKII-chrome-headlamp- > rim_ > > W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3cab814785QQitemZ260575414149QQptZMotorsQ5fCar > Q5fT > ruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories > > I don't know much about MkIIs. > > I know this shaped rim was used on MkIIs. But I thought the factory > always > delivered these rims painted the color of the body. > > Did Rootes ever deliver MkIIs with chrome headlight rims ("doors")? > > thanks, > > Buck Triippel > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From CMeinel464 at aol.com Sun Mar 28 15:16:26 2010 From: CMeinel464 at aol.com (CMeinel464 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 18:16:26 EDT Subject: [Tigers] MkII Question Message-ID: <3fce0.659dee94.38e12f3a@aol.com> Phil, Rootes factory parts book only shows painted rims on MKII Tigers. But I have to say they do look nice! Curt Classic Sunbeam Inc. In a message dated 3/28/2010 3:13:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, PhastPhill at aol.com writes: My MKII has the chrome rims, but I can't swear it came with them. But I think it did.....cheers....phil _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmeinel464 at aol.com From djoh797014 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 28 15:49:26 2010 From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 15:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] MkII Question In-Reply-To: <3fce0.659dee94.38e12f3a@aol.com> Message-ID: <744919.55527.qm@web111614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Curt Et al I read somewhere that Chrome doors were optional on European cars only. I have seen a few that the original owners said the car came that way. Ho took delivery in Germany. But I agree that the US delivered Tigers were body color. I remember seing the Tigers with the backup lights in the bumper. Uncle Wally said they were among the last Tigers. The MK II that had the chrome doors had them. The owner claimed he had the last Tiger to enter the US. He took delivery in Germany and drove it for 2 years while stationed there. Because it was a used car, Uncle Sam shipped it back to the US for free, I entered at Newark NJ in 1969. Dave --- On Sun, 3/28/10, CMeinel464 at aol.com wrote: From: CMeinel464 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] MkII Question To: PhastPhill at aol.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Sunday, March 28, 2010, 10:16 PM Phil, Rootes factory parts book only shows painted rims on MKII Tigers. But I have to say they do look nice! Curt Classic Sunbeam Inc. In a message dated 3/28/2010 3:13:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, PhastPhill at aol.com writes: My MKII has the chrome rims, but I can't swear it came with them. But I think it did.....cheers....phil _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cmeinel464 at aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/djoh797014 at yahoo.com From Carmods at aol.com Mon Mar 29 06:50:53 2010 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:50:53 EDT Subject: [Tigers] MkII Question Message-ID: <50487.18db38b.38e20a3d@aol.com> , BuckTrippel at Verizon.net writes: guess "to be correct" a guy buying one of these sets for a MKII gets to take them to the local chrome shop, have the chrome stripped and then primer & paint them to match the body color. The best way to paint the chrome rings is to lightly sand blast them and then paint them. The dull chrome surface makes for a great primer surface that paint will adhere to. John Logan From scattt at verizon.net Mon Mar 29 08:03:19 2010 From: scattt at verizon.net (Scattt) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:03:19 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] MkII Question References: <50487.18db38b.38e20a3d@aol.com> Message-ID: <181F0EFB126045D1A14DE463400FCDE3@NicksDellPC> I seem to remember someone posting a photo of the loading docks showing Sunbeams with chrome rings and painted hardtops ect ect ready to be exported. Anyone have a copy of that photo? Nick From j_d_johnson at earthlink.net Mon Mar 29 09:38:53 2010 From: j_d_johnson at earthlink.net (J D Johnson) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:38:53 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] MkII Question In-Reply-To: <181F0EFB126045D1A14DE463400FCDE3@NicksDellPC> References: <50487.18db38b.38e20a3d@aol.com> <181F0EFB126045D1A14DE463400FCDE3@NicksDellPC> Message-ID: Someone inside Rootes liked the non-peaked chrome headlight bezels enough to feature them on this early promotional MK I. http://sqvqdg.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pkYjpFsJCpXpqRA2VuEzcpbzs5qWgs-OfL-nOEEPvfBPOBNdgkrfSygKmGt_NWjqU9jJ9cAl3dXzqpududZ184sidycIoWzIY/adams-trash.jpg JD From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 29 11:20:08 2010 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:20:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] MKII ..... maybe? Message-ID: <364697.44427.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Keith Martin's current Sports Car Market has a photo of this car in the letters section and claims it is a MKII that was bought a few months back for $25,000. The author claims it was a great bargin for a rare MK II. I don't see a vin listed and without one I don't know if you can tell if it is a MKII. Anyone familiar with the car? http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?l n=362&aid=323&pop=1 Jeff From jim at island.net Mon Mar 29 12:10:13 2010 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:10:13 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] MKII ..... maybe? In-Reply-To: <364697.44427.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <364697.44427.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well...from the link you sent, here is part of the description... ..." This particular 1966 Tiger Mark IA was restored in Vintage race trim and has been recognized and signed by Carroll Shelby Himself in 2001."... -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols Sent: March 29, 2010 11:20 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] MKII ..... maybe? Keith Martin's current Sports Car Market has a photo of this car in the letters section and claims it is a MKII that was bought a few months back for $25,000. The author claims it was a great bargin for a rare MK II. I don't see a vin listed and without one I don't know if you can tell if it is a MKII. Anyone familiar with the car? http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx? l n=362&aid=323&pop=1 Jeff From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Mon Mar 29 12:21:41 2010 From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:21:41 EDT Subject: [Tigers] MKII ..... maybe? Message-ID: I remember this car from Ebay several months ago. I don't believe it was advertised as a MKII. It did have additional photos and I remember there was one with a VIN plate but I don't remember the number. The checker pattern on the front was something someone asked about back then. Fred Baum In a message dated 3/29/2010 3:00:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jxnichols at sbcglobal.net writes: http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx? l n=362&aid=323&pop=1 From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Mar 29 12:23:43 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:23:43 EDT Subject: [Tigers] MKII ..... maybe? Message-ID: <889c2.3cb6b02e.38e2583f@aol.com> And under the "details" section it claims to be a MklA. In a message dated 3/29/2010 3:00:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jxnichols at sbcglobal.net writes: Keith Martin's current Sports Car Market has a photo of this car in the letters section and claims it is a MKII that was bought a few months back for $25,000. The author claims it was a great bargin for a rare MK II. I don't see a vin listed and without one I don't know if you can tell if it is a MKII. Anyone familiar with the car? http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx? l n=362&aid=323&pop=1 Jeff _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Mon Mar 29 12:26:19 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:26:19 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] MKII ..... maybe? In-Reply-To: <364697.44427.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <364697.44427.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It's listed as a 1966 Tiger Mark 1A. Even with that, absent the VIN I have my doubts. There are obvious things missing for it to be regarded as a "Restoration". For example, where's the remote oil filter plumbing? Where's the 6RA field relay and dropping resistor for the ignition on light? Where's the heater? (The hoses are gone!). The Tiger 2s were made in 1966 but sold as 1967s and 158 - 1968s. Whoever bought it may have got a hellova deal... on an Alger. Tom On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Jeffrey Nichols wrote: > Keith Martin's current Sports Car Market has a photo of this car in the > letters section and claims it is a MKII that was bought a few months back > for > $25,000. The author claims it was a great bargin for a rare MK II. I > don't > see a vin listed and without one I don't know if you can tell if it is a > MKII. Anyone familiar with the car? > > > > http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?l > n=362&aid=323&pop=1 > > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage : > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From v8tracker at gmail.com Mon Mar 29 12:26:51 2010 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:26:51 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] MKII ..... maybe? In-Reply-To: <364697.44427.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <364697.44427.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jeff, et al, According to B-J's website, the car is a Mark 1a. The pictures show Mark l/la headlight rims and no Mark ll grill or side stripes. I would assume that B-J is correct and that it is not a Mark ll. A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 1:20 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] MKII ..... maybe? > > Keith Martin's current Sports Car Market has a photo of this > car in the letters section and claims it is a MKII that was > bought a few months back for $25,000. The author claims it > was a great bargin for a rare MK II. I don't see a vin > listed and without one I don't know if you can tell if it is > a MKII. Anyone familiar with the car? > > > http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lo tdetails.aspx?l > n=362&aid=323&pop=1 > > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker at gmail.com From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Mon Mar 29 12:29:11 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:29:11 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] MkII Question In-Reply-To: References: <50487.18db38b.38e20a3d@aol.com> <181F0EFB126045D1A14DE463400FCDE3@NicksDellPC> Message-ID: The label says it all: Adams Trash. That's Don Adams in the "Get Smart" Tiger. On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:38 PM, J D Johnson wrote: > Someone inside Rootes liked the non-peaked chrome headlight bezels enough > to feature them on this early promotional MK I. > > > http://sqvqdg.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pkYjpFsJCpXpqRA2VuEzcpbzs5qWgs-OfL-nOEEPvfBPOBNdgkrfSygKmGt_NWjqU9jJ9cAl3dXzqpududZ184sidycIoWzIY/adams-trash.jpg > > JD > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From Ocean726 at aol.com Mon Mar 29 12:48:49 2010 From: Ocean726 at aol.com (Ocean726 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:48:49 EDT Subject: [Tigers] tiger Message-ID: <7bb9a.3be68360.38e25e21@aol.com> I looked at this car at Zepherhills auction, it was not great was not a MKII and it sold for around 24,000. I am pretty sure it is the same car From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Mon Mar 29 14:23:24 2010 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:23:24 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] LAT 79 Hood Screens In-Reply-To: <8B9CE269457342A6B5285201F29C11D2@BucksLaptop> References: <87fe8.6569a125.38c1dd96@aol.com> <5300.76.191.205.210.1267769716.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> <8B9CE269457342A6B5285201F29C11D2@BucksLaptop> Message-ID: <000001cacf86$11192bb0$334b8310$@rr.com> Per this post by Buck, I have tried to reach Kent with ho luck. Does anyone else have the screens for the LAT 79 hood? I just need the screens to the rear "output" vents. Thanks! Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Buck Trippel Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 9:57 PM To: cjcoffel at sonic.net; Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Repro Hood Jeff Haworth bought one of Kent Wilcox's LAT hoods and then had a "small batch" of copies made. Why not just buy a hood from Kent? ($600 fob San Diego, (619) 448-6700) He also furnishes correct looking metal screens for the openings. I doubt anyone makes a better hood. After all, Kent's been making LAT hoods for decades so he's had time to work out the bugs. I have his hoods on two of our Tigers. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Repro Hood > It would be great to get Rick at Sunbeam Specialties to bring some in. > Looks like a great product. > > Chris > > > > >> Ok.. not sure if brad is now an agent for these bonnets.. but they > are the >> photos and the details from Jeff Haworths LAt bonnets > in the UK.. I have >> close photos of mine if people are > interested. >> >> this is jeffs listing: >> >> > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sunbeam-Tiger-or-Alpine-LAT-bonnet-NEW_W0QQitemZ290405 490991QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item439d8421 2f > >> >> On 5 March 2010 15:07, > wrote: >> >>> This seller is in Corona del Mar, CA, > United States. The BOnnet looks >>> to >>> be a nice > piece of work. Has any one purchased one of these and how do >>> they >>> fit? >>> >>> In a > message dated 3/4/2010 6:01:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >>> > michael.s.king at gmail.com writes: >>> >>> I bought > one, its from Jeff Haworth in the Uk.. he built a nice box.. >>> shipped down to australia.. have not painted it yet but gel > coat finsh >>> was >>> nice, edges are nice.. seems > a really good item.. i was happy (though >>> have >>> not fitted it yet). >>> >>> However.. if > you are in the USA.. have you checked your local suppliers >>> > Dale etc? I bought mine from Jeff with 3 others here in AU as a bulk >>> order.. >>> as we have no local supliers, others > have fitted theirs and said they >>> are >>> good. > >>> >>> > > > > On 5 March 2010 > 12:25, wrote: >>> >>>> > E-pay item 320495558338 . Any comments? >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> Support > Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> >>>> You are subscribed as michael.s.king at gmail.com >>>> >>>> Tigers at autox.team.net >>>> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >>>> >>>> http://www.team.net/archive >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> > Regards >>> >>> Michael King >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Regards >> >> Michael King >> > _______________________________________________ >> Support > Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are > subscribed as cjcoffel at sonic.net >> >> > Tigers at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bucktrippel at verizon.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wsamouce at kc.rr.com From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Mar 29 14:50:44 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:50:44 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] MkII Question In-Reply-To: <50487.18db38b.38e20a3d@aol.com> References: <50487.18db38b.38e20a3d@aol.com> Message-ID: That picture id on norm millers site i think.. and perhaps mark olsons old site.. not sure i remember chrome headlight rims On 30 March 2010 00:50, wrote: > , BuckTrippel at Verizon.net writes: > > guess "to be correct" a guy buying one of these sets for a MKII gets to > take > them to the local chrome shop, have the chrome stripped and then primer & > paint them to match the body color. > > > The best way to paint the chrome rings is to lightly sand blast them and > then paint them. The dull chrome surface makes for a great primer surface > that paint will adhere to. > > John Logan > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Mar 29 15:06:08 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:06:08 EDT Subject: [Tigers] tiger Message-ID: <198d6.7e6d5903.38e27e50@aol.com> You are correct. I said it was at the Kissimmee auction and was my mistake...was at the Zepherhills auction. And I think it did sell for either $24,000 or $25,000. Mark L In a message dated 3/29/2010 4:09:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Ocean726 at aol.com writes: I looked at this car at Zepherhills auction, it was not great was not a MKII and it sold for around 24,000. I am pretty sure it is the same car _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Mon Mar 29 15:28:13 2010 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:28:13 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] LAT 79 Hood Screens References: <87fe8.6569a125.38c1dd96@aol.com> <5300.76.191.205.210.1267769716.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> <8B9CE269457342A6B5285201F29C11D2@BucksLaptop> <000001cacf86$11192bb0$334b8310$@rr.com> Message-ID: <56C159C1B7EF4A7E9FABE005D2312C1D@your4dacd0ea75> Kent owns an FAA repair station that handles composite repairs. He doesn't like to be disturbed when he's in the middle of a time sensitive operation. Also, He's one of those "night owl" guys who goes to work in the late afternoon and then works until all hours of the night/morning. I think he has an answering machine at his shop(& the phone company finally got his business line back working (619) 448-6700).) Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "wsamouce" To: "'Buck Trippel'" ; Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 2:23 PM Subject: [Tigers] LAT 79 Hood Screens > Per this post by Buck, I have tried to reach Kent with ho luck. > > Does anyone else have the screens for the LAT 79 hood? I just need the > screens to the rear "output" vents. > > Thanks! > > Duke > B382002037 From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Mar 29 15:59:12 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:59:12 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] LAT 79 Hood Screens In-Reply-To: <56C159C1B7EF4A7E9FABE005D2312C1D@your4dacd0ea75> References: <87fe8.6569a125.38c1dd96@aol.com> <5300.76.191.205.210.1267769716.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> <8B9CE269457342A6B5285201F29C11D2@BucksLaptop> <000001cacf86$11192bb0$334b8310$@rr.com> <56C159C1B7EF4A7E9FABE005D2312C1D@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: What sort of fixings are needed to place the screens in the scoop and 2 rear vents? -- Regards Michael King From jpkkmk at aol.com Mon Mar 29 18:07:06 2010 From: jpkkmk at aol.com (Patrick) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:07:06 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 122 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <201003300107.o2U178DK003041@imr-da02.mx.aol.com> Steve I have quite a few original steel wheels. They are date coded, what year are you looking for? Patrick -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tigers-request at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 12:00 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 122 Send Tigers mailing list submissions to tigers at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tigers-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at tigers-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Today's Topics: 1. Factory steel wheels wanted (Steve Ralsten) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:01:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Ralsten Subject: [Tigers] Factory steel wheels wanted To: Tiger email list Message-ID: <429608.2150.qm at web114110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm looking for a pair in good condition to complete a set for Tigers Untied. Steve ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Tigers mailing list Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers End of Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 122 ************************************** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2776 - Release Date: 03/28/10 11:32:00 From TIGEROOTES at aol.com Mon Mar 29 18:45:18 2010 From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:45:18 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Factory steel wheels wanted Message-ID: <10d2e.12a9ef8c.38e2b1ae@aol.com> Steve, Tiger wheels and late Alpine wheels are visually identical with the hubcaps on, but they are not the same wheel. The lug holes on Tiger wheels are not simply a punched hole as found on Alpine wheels: stock Tiger steel wheels have a much larger reinforced formed area that can (allegedly) handle the additional torque and that 'area of the wheel' is similar to early Alpine wheels. Sorry, I don't currently have photos available to send to you to show the difference because of a hard drive crash. I learned about this the hard way: I literally tore the center out of a stock Alpine 5 wheel in about 1980 ... my right-front wheel left the car (it tucked into the fenderwell - then shot out like a launched depth charge) but the lug nuts were tight, holding on small portions of the lug area of the stock wheel. Anyway, unless you are certain you have "big-lug" wheels, I suggest you don't autocross your car. Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle ... PS I have been told very late Tigers used the Alpine small-lug wheels and that's spooky. From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Mar 29 18:58:14 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:58:14 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] tiger In-Reply-To: <198d6.7e6d5903.38e27e50@aol.com> References: <198d6.7e6d5903.38e27e50@aol.com> Message-ID: the sunbeam in question is on hemmings as well http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/sunbeam/tiger/999958.html 35k through a dealer Seller Notes: Sunbeam 1966 Tiger, excellent condition, performance upgrades, very fast, asking $35,000 or bid your price Feb 20 & 21 at Zephyrhills Auction. 407-428-0116, FL; www.OrlandoClassicCars.com $35,000 On 30 March 2010 09:06, wrote: > You are correct. I said it was at the Kissimmee auction and was my > mistake...was at the Zepherhills auction. And I think it did sell for > either > $24,000 or $25,000. > Mark L > > > In a message dated 3/29/2010 4:09:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > Ocean726 at aol.com writes: > > I looked at this car at Zepherhills auction, it was not great was not a > MKII and it sold for around 24,000. I am pretty sure it is the same car > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Mar 29 20:02:28 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 23:02:28 EDT Subject: [Tigers] tiger Message-ID: <64ace.499ad31d.38e2c3c4@aol.com> Which raises the question of whether it was "really" sold at the Zepherhills auction. The auctioneer said "sold",but he seemed to say that for every car, so who knows. A lister said he saw it in the lot later with a sold tag on it. M In a message dated 3/29/2010 9:58:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, michael.s.king at gmail.com writes: the sunbeam in question is on hemmings as well _http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/sunbeam/tiger/999958.html_ (http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/sunbeam/tiger/999958.html) 35k through a dealer Seller Notes: Sunbeam 1966 Tiger, excellent condition, performance upgrades, very fast, asking $35,000 or bid your price Feb 20 & 21 at Zephyrhills Auction. 407-428-0116, FL; _www.OrlandoClassicCars.com_ (http://www.orlandoclassiccars.com/) $35,000 On 30 March 2010 09:06, <_CoolVT at aol.com_ (mailto:CoolVT at aol.com) > wrote: You are correct. I said it was at the Kissimmee auction and was my mistake...was at the Zepherhills auction. And I think it did sell for either $24,000 or $25,000. Mark L In a message dated 3/29/2010 4:09:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _Ocean726 at aol.com_ (mailto:Ocean726 at aol.com) writes: I looked at this car at Zepherhills auction, it was not great was not a MKII and it sold for around 24,000. I am pretty sure it is the same car _______________________________________________ _Tigers at autox.team.net_ (mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net) Donate: _http://www.team.net/donate.html_ (http://www.team.net/donate.html) Archive: _http://www.team.net/archive_ (http://www.team.net/archive) Forums: _http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage_ (http://www.team.net/forumsUnsubscribe/Manage) : _http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com_ (http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com) _______________________________________________ _Tigers at autox.team.net_ (mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net) Donate: _http://www.team.net/donate.html_ (http://www.team.net/donate.html) Archive: _http://www.team.net/archive_ (http://www.team.net/archive) Forums: _http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage_ (http://www.team.net/forumsUnsubscribe/Manage) : _http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com_ (http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com) -- Regards Michael King From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Mar 29 20:20:42 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:20:42 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Factory steel wheels wanted In-Reply-To: <10d2e.12a9ef8c.38e2b1ae@aol.com> References: <10d2e.12a9ef8c.38e2b1ae@aol.com> Message-ID: > Anyway, unless you are certain you have "big-lug" wheels, I suggest you > don't autocross your car. > > Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle > Didn't it have a disclaimer in the owners manual for the tiger that the standard road wheels were not suitable for motorsport? Also.. i figure that modern radials make it worse, they gripa fair bit better than period cross ply tyres -- Regards Michael King From s_ralsten at yahoo.com Mon Mar 29 22:42:00 2010 From: s_ralsten at yahoo.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 22:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Factory steel wheel help In-Reply-To: <201003300107.o2U178DK003041@imr-da02.mx.aol.com> References: <201003300107.o2U178DK003041@imr-da02.mx.aol.com> Message-ID: <330655.74444.qm@web114112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks for the responses and for the warnings. My intent is to put together a set of wheels w/caps and rings and WW tires for car show use only. I remember I was disappointed at Big Bear United because nobody displayed in that manner. Now I do own a Tiger and want to be ready for Santa Rosa with that look. I plan to bring my vintage Panasports and modern radials for any touring or autox. Thanks to the several that made sure I knew they were not safe for performance driving. I found and broke open the box of wheels that came with my car. I've got one grey wheels one tan and one black. All stamped 65 as the car was built July 65. All three have the raised reenforced area around the lug holes. Black wheel is bent and uselessand I think the grey is the proper color. A couple guys have offered wheels stamped 65 so I guess I'll try and figure which one will amount to the lowest shipping cost and get in touch with you for two wheels. Steve ________________________________ From: Patrick To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 6:07:06 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 122 Steve I have quite a few original steel wheels. They are date coded, what year are you looking for? Patrick -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tigers-request at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 12:00 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 122 Send Tigers mailing list submissions to tigers at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tigers-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at tigers-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Today's Topics: 1. Factory steel wheels wanted (Steve Ralsten) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:01:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Ralsten Subject: [Tigers] Factory steel wheels wanted To: Tiger email list Message-ID: <429608.2150.qm at web114110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm looking for a pair in good condition to complete a set for Tigers Untied. Steve ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Tigers mailing list Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers End of Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 122 ************************************** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2776 - Release Date: 03/28/10 11:32:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/s_ralsten at yahoo.com From cmccann at lwpb.com Tue Mar 30 02:32:16 2010 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 04:32:16 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] LAT 79 Hood Screens In-Reply-To: References: <87fe8.6569a125.38c1dd96@aol.com> <5300.76.191.205.210.1267769716.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> <8B9CE269457342A6B5285201F29C11D2@BucksLaptop> <000001cacf86$11192bb0$334b8310$@rr.com> <56C159C1B7EF4A7E9FABE005D2312C1D@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <30BF6AA6-BEDF-4D68-BE63-55C7FB6BF2AA@lwpb.com> Michael, my lat 79 hood is not a wilcox hood, but a tiger technology hood, and the screens are simply "glassed" in with resin. Just a small amount holding down the edges of the screen where it overlaps the hood shell at the openings. Actually it doesn't look that bad consideing the thought of it. Cullen > What sort of fixings are needed to place the screens in the scoop > and 2 rear > vents? From m_dangelo at verizon.net Tue Mar 30 03:30:29 2010 From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 06:30:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] LAT 79 Hood Screens In-Reply-To: <30BF6AA6-BEDF-4D68-BE63-55C7FB6BF2AA@lwpb.com> Message-ID: Kent Wilcox made my hood for me (beautiful job, by the way). I remember him asking me whether I wanted the screens in or out on delivery, since it would be easier to paint the hood without them. I said "with" because I was planning to install the hood as-is until I got up the funds to paint it. I think he said it was no big deal since he just used a hot glue gun to install them. I hope that helps. Mauro On 3/30/10 5:32 AM, "Cullen McCann" wrote: > Michael, my lat 79 hood is not a wilcox hood, but a tiger technology > hood, and the screens are simply "glassed" in with resin. Just a small > amount holding down the edges of the screen where it overlaps the hood > shell at the openings. Actually it doesn't look that bad consideing > the thought of it. > > Cullen > > >> What sort of fixings are needed to place the screens in the scoop >> and 2 rear >> vents? > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/m_dangelo at verizon.net From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 30 05:39:32 2010 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 05:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Unloading Message-ID: <348393.62728.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> " I seem to remember someone posting a photo of the loading docks showing Sunbeams with chrome rings and painted hardtops ect ect ready to be exported. Anyone have a copy of that photo?" I haven't seen that photo but how about this one: http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/plugins/p17_image_gallery/popup.php?categoryid=3 &p17_sectionid=1&p17_imageid=142 Jeff From CoolVT at aol.com Tue Mar 30 06:26:11 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:26:11 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Unloading Message-ID: <6695.7c70fd76.38e355f3@aol.com> Great picture Jeff. M In a message dated 3/30/2010 9:20:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jxnichols at sbcglobal.net writes: " I seem to remember someone posting a photo of the loading docks showing Sunbeams with chrome rings and painted hardtops ect ect ready to be exported. Anyone have a copy of that photo?" I haven't seen that photo but how about this one: http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/plugins/p17_image_gallery/popup.php?categoryid= 3 &p17_sectionid=1&p17_imageid=142 Jeff _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From hanjan2 at bellsouth.net Tue Mar 30 06:45:28 2010 From: hanjan2 at bellsouth.net (hanjan2) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:45:28 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Unloading References: <348393.62728.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000a01cad00f$42cda260$0402a8c0@maincomp> Tigers never had chrome rings. Chrome started showing up on tigers when the plain ones became hard to find. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:39 AM Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Unloading >" I seem to remember someone posting a photo of the loading docks showing > Sunbeams with chrome rings and painted hardtops ect ect ready to be > exported. Anyone have a copy of that photo?" > > > > I haven't seen that photo but how about this one: > > > http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/plugins/p17_image_gallery/popup.php?categoryid=3 > &p17_sectionid=1&p17_imageid=142 > > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/hanjan2 at bellsouth.net From ocean726 at aol.com Tue Mar 30 06:55:53 2010 From: ocean726 at aol.com (ocean726 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:55:53 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] TIGER Message-ID: <972485398-1269956865-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-696239493-@bda2652.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Michael car was in sold area Sun. I was told it sold Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From djoh797014 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 30 09:27:33 2010 From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Unloading In-Reply-To: <000a01cad00f$42cda260$0402a8c0@maincomp> Message-ID: <2721.91988.qm@web111606.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Dont let the photo lead you astray. What you are looking at is what they were as shipped and when. Uncle Wally said that Sunbeam utilized the shipped cars to get parts in the US. Most of them came in with hardtops. Saved having them crated. And all were black unless ordered with the car. Nave plates and rings were removed and usually in the boot. The coveted Talbort mirrors were stuffed next to the passenger seat, etc, The tonneau was on the rear shelf. Ditto sunvisors. Anything they could pass off to customs as standard was fair game. Saved the duty taxes. So what you see at the dock was what not what you got That all depended on you sold the car: A Chrysler dealer or Indendent dealer. The indepedents did a lot of stuff at the end. My Tiger came from an independent. It had an Alpine ammeter. Why? Because the dealer didnt have a Tiger ammeter and Chrysler didnt want to order one for him. Besides it fit the hole. Ditto about my clock. It took a while to get the correct parts. I got my 'official' radio from a Chylser dealer. A Chrysler Sunbeam radio with the MK II style lettering that said 'Sunbeam' and the pentastar. Not the WR-1 or WR-9, but for concurs it is correct. Uncle Wally said the radios cost less than $15 and performed like it. Too bad its not a Blauplunt with European frequencies and great performance. A Tiger delivered in Europe would not have an AM radio. He also said Chysler tended to ignore the independents hoping they would go away. He would know since he was in charge of all dealers East of the Mississippi. Dave --- On Tue, 3/30/10, hanjan2 wrote: From: hanjan2 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Unloading To: "Jeffrey Nichols" , scattt at verizon.net Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 1:45 PM Tigers never had chrome rings. Chrome started showing up on tigers when the plain ones became hard to find. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Nichols" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:39 AM Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Unloading >" I seem to remember someone posting a photo of the loading docks showing > Sunbeams with chrome rings and painted hardtops ect ect ready to be > exported. Anyone have a copy of that photo?" > > > > I haven't seen that photo but how about this one: > > > http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/plugins/p17_image_gallery/popup.php?categoryid=3 > &p17_sectionid=1&p17_imageid=142 > > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/hanjan2 at bellsouth.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/djoh797014 at yahoo.com From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Mar 30 18:39:25 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:39:25 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] onboard footage Tiger LM at goodwood Message-ID: The LM Tiegr ran in the RAC TT race at goodwood in 2008.. here is an onvoard camerra frmo a Aston DB4GTZ that has a nice run with it.. http://www.classicandperformancecar.com/features/videos/229329/goodwood_revival_videos.html -- Regards Michael King From glowboy at starstream.net Tue Mar 30 22:19:33 2010 From: glowboy at starstream.net (DERRICK SCHMIDT) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 22:19:33 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] onboard footage Tiger LM at goodwood Message-ID: <201003302219.AA464650510@mail.starstream.net> Same site. Familiar to the So Cal guys (and girls): http://www.classicandperformancecar.com/features/videos/247006/jay_leno_on_ hollywoods_secret_race_course.html former So Cal guy who had a girlfriend way back when (original BMW 320i - good car for that road) that live 3 blocks off the road in question. Good stuff. ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.starstream.net From atwittsend at verizon.net Tue Mar 30 23:42:46 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 23:42:46 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] onboard footage Tiger LM at goodwood References: <201003302219.AA464650510@mail.starstream.net> Message-ID: Great video (Leno, Muholland Dr.) I have lived the past 30 years in the Camarillo/Thousand Oaks area. Muholland Highway (an extension of Muholland Dr.) begins in the nearby city of Westlake Village (were Westlake Blvd becomes Decker Rd.) and in years past I have made the FULL journey. I'm guessing with all the turns it must be close to 45 miles long. That would include the 10 miles or so that is a dirt road! Ultimately it comes to an end near the Hollywood Bowl. It took a bit longer than taking the101 to get to my friends in L.A., - but it sure was a fun journey. Back then my "ride" was a '64 Falcon with a 260, lowered and sway bar equipped front and rear. Haven't done it in 25 years. The video sure bought back the memories. Tom From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Wed Mar 31 00:40:23 2010 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 00:40:23 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: onboard footage Tiger LM at goodwood Message-ID: <4AE9C7E669F244C3831328E38E72F4E6@BucksLaptop> I really enjoy Leno but to describe Mulholland as a "secret" is stretching it too far for me. Racing has been there since at least the forties & maybe earlier.Several movies have centered on racing there & hundreds of articles written. Here's a site with a you tube video that does a good job of telling the history. http://forums.finalgear.com/general-automotive/street-racing-in-the-a-80s-mulholland-raceway-28424/ Buck Trippel> ----- Original Message -----> From: "DERRICK SCHMIDT" > To: "Tiger Talk List Tiger" ; "michael king"> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:19 PM> Subject: Re: [Tigers] onboard footage Tiger LM at goodwood>>>> Same site.>>>> Familiar to the So Cal guys (and girls):>>>>http://www.classicandperformancecar.com/features/videos/247006/jay_leno_on_>> hollywoods_secret_race_course.html>>>> former So Cal guy who had a girlfriend way back when (original BMW 320i -good>> car for that road) that live 3 blocks off the road in question.>>>> Good stuff.>> From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Mar 31 04:36:20 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 22:36:20 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: onboard footage Tiger LM at goodwood In-Reply-To: <4AE9C7E669F244C3831328E38E72F4E6@BucksLaptop> References: <4AE9C7E669F244C3831328E38E72F4E6@BucksLaptop> Message-ID: I cant believe you guys are all talking about jay.. did i post the original link wrong? I was more excited wathcnig the LM Tioger trounce a zagato aston in the goodwood RACT TT race.. .. maybe its just me. On 31/03/2010, Buck Trippel wrote: > I really enjoy Leno but to describe Mulholland as a "secret" is stretching > it too far for me. Racing has been there since at least the forties & maybe > earlier.Several movies have centered on racing there & hundreds of articles > written. Here's a site with a you tube video that does a good job of > telling > the history. > http://forums.finalgear.com/general-automotive/street-racing-in-the-a-80s-mulholland-raceway-28424/ > Buck Trippel> ----- Original Message -----> From: "DERRICK SCHMIDT" > > To: "Tiger Talk List Tiger" > ; "michael king"> Sent: > Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:19 PM> Subject: Re: [Tigers] onboard footage > Tiger LM at goodwood>>>> Same site.>>>> Familiar to the So Cal guys (and > girls):>>>>http://www.classicandperformancecar.com/features/videos/247006/jay_leno_on_>> > hollywoods_secret_race_course.html>>>> former So Cal guy who had a > girlfriend way back when (original BMW 320i -good>> car for that road) that > live 3 blocks off the road in question.>>>> Good stuff.>> > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From dave at munroe.ca Wed Mar 31 06:00:51 2010 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:00:51 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] onboard footage Tiger LM at goodwood In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4801F2132C984A5FBF77A7FA3ECCD2E4@DavePC> Too bad about the Aston....It was not well driven by Beecroft. Missed a shift and lost the little bit of rhythm he did have. It looked like he was out for a Sunday drive! He got passed by all the back markers, and may have even been lapped. The LM Tiger OTH was smokin' fast' ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael king" To: "Tiger Talk List Tiger" Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:39 PM Subject: [Tigers] onboard footage Tiger LM at goodwood The LM Tiegr ran in the RAC TT race at goodwood in 2008.. here is an onvoard camerra frmo a Aston DB4GTZ that has a nice run with it.. http://www.classicandperformancecar.com/features/videos/229329/goodwood_revival_videos.html From s_ralsten at yahoo.com Wed Mar 31 12:18:03 2010 From: s_ralsten at yahoo.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:18:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] need spec plate info Message-ID: <26902.91151.qm@web114101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Question for one of you Book of Norman owners. My car B9473720 has the proper chassis plate and JAL plate. It also has a repo spec plate added by PO. I recall from a past discussion that spec plates ended at chassis number ??????? but holes for them were still drilled until chassis number ????????. I'm pretty sure my car should not have come with a plate hence the PO not knowing this added one. True ? What I am completely uncertain about is if I should properly leave the rivets or just the holes or fill the holes. Thanks From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Mar 31 13:20:26 2010 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:20:26 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] need spec plate info In-Reply-To: <26902.91151.qm@web114101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <26902.91151.qm@web114101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06840252F6DC@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> IIRC that went into the early Mk1A (B38200xxxx) production. Late B38200xxxx had no holes at all; earlier ones had the holes filled with Rootes rivets. The actual chassis number range where this occurs has been documented but I don't recall if TBON has that information. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Ralsten > Sent: March 31, 2010 1:18 PM > To: Tiger email list > Subject: [Tigers] need spec plate info > > Question for one of you Book of Norman owners. My car B9473720 has the > proper > chassis plate and JAL plate. It also has a repo spec plate added by PO. > I > recall from > a past discussion that spec plates ended at chassis number ??????? > but holes for them were > still drilled until chassis number ????????. I'm > pretty sure my car should not have come with a plate > hence the PO not knowing > this added one. True ? What I am completely uncertain about > is if I should > properly leave the rivets or just the holes or fill the holes. > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit at dynastream.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From awtiger at cox.net Wed Mar 31 15:43:11 2010 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:43:11 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] need spec plate info In-Reply-To: <26902.91151.qm@web114101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <26902.91151.qm@web114101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <698668274AB048498439369EDB7BDC18@awtigerPC> Steve: I looked in my copy of TBON and it says, "The "spec" plate was discontinued toward the end of B947++++ production but four pop-rivets were installed to fill these holes, until a "change order" dropped the drilling of this part of the cowl, somewhere around B382001200." Carroll said that when he got the car, it had four blank rivets and, not knowing what we know now, he bought a repro spec plate when they became available and riveted it to the car. So, to answer your question, to be correct you should remove the spec plate and (to be REALLY correct) find some original Rootes rivets to fill the holes with. Enjoy, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 B9006857LRX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Ralsten" To: "Tiger email list" Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 2:18 PM Subject: [Tigers] need spec plate info > Question for one of you Book of Norman owners. My car B9473720 has the > proper > chassis plate and JAL plate. It also has a repo spec plate added by PO. I > recall from > a past discussion that spec plates ended at chassis number ??????? > but holes for them were > still drilled until chassis number ????????. I'm > pretty sure my car should not have come with a plate > hence the PO not knowing > this added one. True ? What I am completely uncertain about > is if I should > properly leave the rivets or just the holes or fill the holes. > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger at cox.net From s_ralsten at yahoo.com Wed Mar 31 16:13:39 2010 From: s_ralsten at yahoo.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:13:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] need spec plate info In-Reply-To: <698668274AB048498439369EDB7BDC18@awtigerPC> References: <26902.91151.qm@web114101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <698668274AB048498439369EDB7BDC18@awtigerPC> Message-ID: <644240.56445.qm@web114114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I had assumed he did the right thing until recently myself, I was 95% sure it would be correct to remove it, just didn't know what to leave behind. Thanks all for looking it up. Steve B9473720 ________________________________ From: awtiger To: Steve Ralsten ; Tiger email list Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 3:43:11 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] need spec plate info Steve: I looked in my copy of TBON and it says, "The "spec" plate was discontinued toward the end of B947++++ production but four pop-rivets were installed to fill these holes, until a "change order" dropped the drilling of this part of the cowl, somewhere around B382001200." Carroll said that when he got the car, it had four blank rivets and, not knowing what we know now, he bought a repro spec plate when they became available and riveted it to the car. So, to answer your question, to be correct you should remove the spec plate and (to be REALLY correct) find some original Rootes rivets to fill the holes with. Enjoy, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 B9006857LRX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Ralsten" To: "Tiger email list" Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 2:18 PM Subject: [Tigers] need spec plate info > Question for one of you Book of Norman owners. My car B9473720 has the proper > chassis plate and JAL plate. It also has a repo spec plate added by PO. I > recall from > a past discussion that spec plates ended at chassis number ??????? > but holes for them were > still drilled until chassis number ????????. I'm > pretty sure my car should not have come with a plate > hence the PO not knowing > this added one. True ? What I am completely uncertain about > is if I should > properly leave the rivets or just the holes or fill the holes. > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger at cox.net From mk1a67 at gmail.com Wed Mar 31 16:32:52 2010 From: mk1a67 at gmail.com (Cliff Alexander) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:32:52 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Comps Department Message-ID: All-- I picked up a copy of the March 2010 Classic & Sports Car magazine and found a nice article titled The Garrads of Humber Road. It has quite a few vintage pictures and an interview with the family. Cliff From jim at island.net Wed Mar 31 17:04:49 2010 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:04:49 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] need spec plate info In-Reply-To: <698668274AB048498439369EDB7BDC18@awtigerPC> References: <26902.91151.qm@web114101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <698668274AB048498439369EDB7BDC18@awtigerPC> Message-ID: <39999C26A1264F2A881ED1A7546BADAF@JIMPC> Steve That info is also available on Norm's site...Click on 'The Fraud' and half way down the page on the right click on 'ID elements' and you'll see all the variations... My car has the rivets 'only' which is correct and it also has 'original' rivets on a homemade VIN plate ( what??) lol! I'll send you a pic ( the list won't see it ). I'm sure those rivets are around... I'll also send you a pic of an almost perfect 'Dale's ' resto of a MK1 that I saw at TUXXX and man, those 'original' rivets look brand new IMHO !! Jim B382000446 TAC 0671 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of awtiger Sent: March 31, 2010 3:43 PM To: Steve Ralsten; Tiger email list Subject: Re: [Tigers] need spec plate info Steve: I looked in my copy of TBON and it says, "The "spec" plate was discontinued toward the end of B947++++ production but four pop-rivets were installed to fill these holes, until a "change order" dropped the drilling of this part of the cowl, somewhere around B382001200." Carroll said that when he got the car, it had four blank rivets and, not knowing what we know now, he bought a repro spec plate when they became available and riveted it to the car. So, to answer your question, to be correct you should remove the spec plate and (to be REALLY correct) find some original Rootes rivets to fill the holes with. Enjoy, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 B9006857LRX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Ralsten" To: "Tiger email list" Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 2:18 PM Subject: [Tigers] need spec plate info > Question for one of you Book of Norman owners. My car B9473720 has the > proper > chassis plate and JAL plate. It also has a repo spec plate added by PO. I > recall from > a past discussion that spec plates ended at chassis number ??????? > but holes for them were > still drilled until chassis number ????????. I'm > pretty sure my car should not have come with a plate > hence the PO not knowing > this added one. True ? What I am completely uncertain about > is if I should > properly leave the rivets or just the holes or fill the holes. > > Thanks [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_0696.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSC_0095.JPG] From spook01 at comcast.net Wed Mar 31 18:21:14 2010 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 18:21:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?need_spec_plate_info?= Message-ID: <20100401012114.45C7D187669@autox.team.net> Those rivets are sold in the UK. Best, ray Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Steve Ralsten" Date: Wed, Mar 31, 2010 18:13 Subject: [Tigers] need spec plate info To: "awtiger" Cc: "Tiger email list" I had assumed he did the right thing until recently myself, I was 95% sure it would be correct to remove it, just didn't know what to leave behind. Thanks all for looking it up. Steve B9473720 ________________________________ From: awtiger To: Steve Ralsten ; Tiger email list Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 3:43:11 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] need spec plate info Steve: I looked in my copy of TBON and it says, "The "spec" plate was discontinued toward the end of B947++++ production but four pop-rivets were installed to fill these holes, until a "change order" dropped the drilling of this part of the cowl, somewhere around B382001200." Carroll said that when he got the car, it had four blank rivets and, not knowing what we know now, he bought a repro spec plate when they became available and riveted it to the car. So, to answer your question, to be correct you should remove the spec plate and (to be REALLY correct) find some original Rootes rivets to fill the holes with. Enjoy, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 B9006857LRX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Ralsten" To: "Tiger email list" Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 2:18 PM Subject: [Tigers] need spec plate info > Question for one of you Book of Norman owners. My car B9473720 has the proper > chassis plate and JAL plate. It also has a repo spec plate added by PO. I > recall from > a past discussion that spec plates ended at chassis number ??????? > but holes for them were > still drilled until chassis number ????????. I'm > pretty sure my car should not have come with a plate > hence the PO not knowing > this added one. True ? What I am completely uncertain about > is if I should > properly leave the rivets or just the holes or fill the holes. > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Mar 31 18:06:59 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 12:06:59 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] need spec plate info In-Reply-To: <39999C26A1264F2A881ED1A7546BADAF@JIMPC> References: <26902.91151.qm@web114101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <698668274AB048498439369EDB7BDC18@awtigerPC> <39999C26A1264F2A881ED1A7546BADAF@JIMPC> Message-ID: You know how long it takes to sit there and wet and dry those riverts to look that good without damaging the spec plate and paint! On 1 April 2010 11:04, Jim wrote: > > a pic of an almost perfect 'Dale's ' resto of a MK1 that I saw at TUXXX and > man, those 'original' rivets look brand new IMHO !! > > Jim > B382000446 > TAC 0671 > -- Regards Michael King