From achd73 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  1 00:10:06 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 23:10:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] throw out bearing noise??
In-Reply-To: <000601cb0126$23340d70$699c2850$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <872692.70910.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Duke you could get grease in front of the clutch but you would have to over
pump a ton to get enough to get between the TO bearing and the clutch and
pressure plate- any excess should be removable if what I was told there is
room wise- a squirt every 10k miles should last a year. I havent checked to
see if there is room to run a hose out the clutch arm hole, so that greasing
would be much easier. They run hose out for hydraulic TO bearing, so a hose
should work fine. I will know in time and Ive learned other things to check IF
anyone who has had TO bearings making noise, contact me and we can discuss the
possibilities of why the TO bearing is making a noise. Tom explained several
things that might cause the noise and they all made sense. I LOVE my Tiger.
TtT

--- On Mon, 5/31/10, wsamouce <wsamouce at kc.rr.com> wrote:


From: wsamouce <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
Subject: RE: [Tigers] throw out bearing noise??
To: "'Tony Somebody'" <achd73 at yahoo.com>, Carmods at aol.com
Cc: "'Beamclub'" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 8:02 PM


I think that the zerk to grease the TO bearing is a perfect way to sling
grease on your clutch. 

I would not do it.

Is there a super heavy-duty Ford racing TOB?

Duke
B382002037

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Tony Somebody
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 6:18 PM
To: Carmods at aol.com
Cc: Beamclub
Subject: Re: [Tigers] throw out bearing noise??

John- the knee has plenty of play but I like the zerk idea, now instead of
grease I need a substance to take up the slack in the knee.Maybe some blue
silicone that will setup but be pliable enough to allow use. A zerk on the
TO
bearing is a great idea . I'm told old Ford ones had a zerk and Dave Munroe
has checked and reports that there is room to get a hose or tube and fitting
thru the clutch arm hole to grease the bearing. I'm planning on starting at
a
Ford dealership, then the Mustang guys to try to find an old type. I plan on
calling Tom Hall tonight as I'm told he recommends a Centerforce TO bearing
and I know he has a good reason and too there was a part number, so it might
be one that is hydraulic and does away with our slave cylinder. I will know
later.
THANKS for the kneezerk idea. LOL

TtT

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From: Carmods at aol.com <Carmods at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] throw out bearing noise??
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 1:15 PM


To,  TonytheTiger,

To eliminate the noise, you can drill and tap it with a 1/8 pipe tap and
insert a Zerk fitting. Then give it a few shots of grease.

That's for the knee problem of course.

John Logan
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From Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com  Tue Jun  1 07:24:29 2010
From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com (Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:24:29 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 233
In-Reply-To: <4C0428ED.40506@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <OF948D83D8.C64194EC-ON85257735.0048D364-85257735.0049A79F@sybase.com>

No problem. :') 
You do raise an interesting point though. British cars (like my MGA) have 
a carbon-
faced bearing that wears - not a bearing at all in the conventional sense.
However, the same issue of contact and excessive wear would exist.
 
I do know that the clutch hydraulics were designed to allow backflow of 
fluid - perhaps bearing 
contact was the reason for this?

In any case, I can see that the Tiger release bearing WOULD benefit from 
using a spring.

Paul



drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote on 05/31/2010 05:23:57 PM:

> Paul, let me chime in here on your thread...  no criticism of your 
> message...
> 
> Cars from teh era of our Sunbeams had mechanical clutch actuation 
> schemes. her was a cross bar with a couple of levers and a big return 
> spring. Clutches were adjusted so that the clutch pedal  has a bit if 
> free play at teh foot. Not much but always some. That was to keep the 
> throwout bearing from riding continously on the clutch forks. Our throw 
> out bearing were not intended to runn on teh clutch fingers full time. 
> Now along comes Sunbeam and probably others. They used the hydraulic 
> clutch actuation system because getting a mechanical clap trap to work 
> would heva been difficult at best. So hydraulic was really good for 
> making them work. But, the hydraulic versions keep teh throw out bearing 

> surface in constant contact with the clutch fingers.  Thats why they 
> wore out and make lots of racket in teh olden days. I had to replace 
> mine a time or two and indeed every time I had the engine out, I changed 

> that sucker.  Todays clutches and throw out bearings generally have a 
> higher tolerance for running in full contact. So if replacing, try and 
> get a hydraulic throwout bearing designed to run in full contact all the 

> time. Ditto for the clutch fingers. And you'll be a happier camper...
> 
> mayf
> 
> Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com wrote:
> 
> >Hydraulic clutch slaves are self-adjusting and a return spring is not 
> >needed (at least that's what other British cars do). The piston moves 
up 
> >the bore as the clutch wears. So just fit a pushrod that almost bottoms 

> >out the piston to start.
> >
> >Paul
> >
> > 
> >
> >>Subject: [Tigers] Clutch cylinder rod adjustment
> >>There's been lots of talk about throwout bearings. I wonder...
> >>
> >>Is there a problem with the clutch master cylinder or slave cylinder?
> >>
> >>The original slave push rod in my Tiger was a cut off carriage bolt. 
> >> 
> >>
> >When I
> > 
> >
> >>replaced the clutch the first time it lasted less than a year. My 
theory 
> >> 
> >>
> >at
> > 
> >
> >>the time (1984) was the slave cylinder was sticking, so I installed a
> >>"return spring" on the pivot arm. It worked until the car was
> >>"de-comissioned" around 1995. Now that I'm in the process of restoring 

> >> 
> >>
> >the
> > 
> >
> >>car I bought the proper push rod from Rick at SS. To my surprise, it's
> >>adjustable! A good thing except.... there is no mention of the 
> >> 
> >>
> >adjustment in
> > 
> >
> >>the workshop manual.
> >>
> >>So.... any thoughts on adjusting the clutch push rod? My inclination 
is 
> >> 
> >>
> >to
> > 
> >
> >>lengthen the rod until the slave cylinder piston is pushed back as far 

> >> 
> >>
> >as it
> > 
> >
> >>will go. but I may run out of threads before that. The next 
alternative 
> >> 
> >>
> >is
> > 
> >
> >>to adjust the rod for proper clutch engagement (starts to engage a bit 

> >> 
> >>
> >off
> > 
> >
> >>the floor, fully engaged with pedal "slack" travel at the top. About 
the
> >>same as with my '57 Ford in 1963.
> >>
> >>A bit of guidance will be much appreciated. I have no desire to pull 
the
> >>engine again.
> >>
> >>Tom
> >>'67 Tiger 2
> >> 
> >>
> >_______________________________________________

From spook01 at comcast.net  Tue Jun  1 08:29:17 2010
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 09:29:17 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Tigers_Digest=2C_Vol_4=2C_Issue_233?=
Message-ID: <20100601142807.27479187649@autox.team.net>

The carbon faced to's were not designed to have the car in gear during long stops (like stop lights). You were supposed to select neutral, and take your foot off the clutch.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com
Date: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 08:24
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 233
To: <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>


No problem. :') 
You do raise an interesting point though. British cars (like my MGA) have 
a carbon-
faced bearing that wears - not a bearing at all in the conventional sense.
However, the same issue of contact and excessive wear would exist.
 
I do know that the clutch hydraulics were designed to allow backflow of 
fluid - perhaps bearing 
contact was the reason for this?

In any case, I can see that the Tiger release bearing WOULD benefit from 
using a spring.

Paul



drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote on 05/31/2010 05:23:57 PM:

> Paul, let me chime in here on your thread...  no criticism of your 
> message...
> 
> Cars from teh era of our Sunbeams had mechanical clutch actuation 
> schemes. her was a cross bar with a couple of levers and a big return 
> spring. Clutches were adjusted so that the clutch pedal  has a bit if 
> free play at teh foot. Not much but always some. That was to keep the 
> throwout bearing from riding continously on the clutch forks. Our throw 
> out bearing were not intended to runn on teh clutch fingers full time. 
> Now along comes Sunbeam and probably others. They used the hydraulic 
> clutch actuation system because getting a mechanical clap trap to work 
> would heva been difficult at best. So hydraulic was really good for 
> making them work. But, the hydraulic versions keep teh throw out bearing 

> surface in constant contact with the clutch fingers.  Thats why they 
> wore out and make lots of racket in teh olden days. I had to replace 
> mine a time or two and indeed every time I had the engine out, I changed 

> that sucker.  Todays clutches and throw out bearings generally have a 
> higher tolerance for running in full contact. So if replacing, try and 
> get a hydraulic throwout bearing designed to run in full contact all the 

> time. Ditto for the clutch fingers. And you'll be a happier camper...
> 
> mayf
> 
> Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com wrote:
> 
> >Hydraulic clutch slaves are self-adjusting and a return spring is not 
> >needed (at least that's what other British cars do). The piston moves 
up 
> >the bore as the clutch wears. So just fit a pushrod that almost bottoms 

> >out the piston to start.
> >
> >Paul
> >
> > 
> >
> >>Subject: [Tigers] Clutch cylinder rod adjustment
> >>There's been lots of talk about throwout bearings. I wonder...
> >>
> >>Is there a problem with the clutch master cylinder or slave cylinder?
> >>
> >>The original slave push rod in my Tiger was a cut off carriage bolt. 
> >> 
> >>
> >When I

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  1 09:33:34 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:33:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Bring a Trailer daily mail
Message-ID: <465218.47218.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Tue, 6/1/10, Bring a Trailer <mail at bringatrailer.com> wrote:


From: Bring a Trailer <mail at bringatrailer.com>
Subject: Bring a Trailer daily mail
To: "Tony Somebody" <achd73 at yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 7:04 AM














Wild Hilo Nights: bLightly Rolledb 1966 Sunbeam Tiger
The seller of this 1966 Sunbeam Tiger tells many interesting details
surrounding the carbs condition, but also manages to leave out some of the
juiciest tidbits. He apparently bought the car from Chequered Flag in 2003,
drove it to Las Vegas that night, and then continued to sort out some quirks.
Next we hear, the car is in Hawaii, was rolled, was disassembled, and there is
still sugar cane jammed between the wheels and tires on the driver side! What
on earth happened to this Tiger? Find the projecthere on eBay In Hilo, Hawaii
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Crosley vehicles are weird items, and the pick-up variant pegs the weirdness
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look to be brand new, and the new owner will need to pick a paint color and
purchase a new wiring harness. Find ithere on Craigslist in Placerville,
California for $4k. Special thanks to BaT reader Joe M. for this submission!



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BaT Success Story: Sunbeam Imp Finds a Family
bHi,
Ibm the one that bought the Sunbeam Imp listed on Bring a Trailer several
months ago.
I just wanted to send you an update and a couple photos of the Imp with itbs
new stable siblings! As you can see Ibve already started to turn the Imp
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lights to the front. Soon, itbll get a full rally roll cage installed with 5
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Smiths engine auxiliary drivers gauges! Ibm also on the look out for a
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into a great vintage rally car!
Ibm super happy with the Imp and now after several months of ownership
Ibve worked out the bugs from it sitting for months and itbs now running
and driving very well! The engine is a strong runner (for a 900 cc aluminum
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out with it. Itbs amazing! I get complements and bthumbs upb both from
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Ibm very happy I found it on Bring-a-trailer! Thanks so much for having such
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Best Regards,
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It was finally nice enough outside the other day which allowed me for the
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From camelot15 at verizon.net  Tue Jun  1 10:14:07 2010
From: camelot15 at verizon.net (Bruce MacDougall)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 12:14:07 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Chin
Message-ID: <C82AAA0F.7D46%camelot15@verizon.net>

Let me first say I put my Tiger back together the way I wanted...it's my
driver and so far I love it. Lots of modifications, mostly out of sight,
except for hood louvers which look awesome and help with cooling.

Here goes and I know this will torque many of you. I hate the way the stock
Tiger looks head-on. I want to do away with the bumper and find a chin
spoiler/air dam. Does anyone know what might fit from another vehicle?
Asking that question really didn't hurt. Thanks for the help. Bruce 

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Tue Jun  1 11:14:22 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 12:14:22 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Chin
In-Reply-To: <C82AAA0F.7D46%camelot15@verizon.net>
References: <C82AAA0F.7D46%camelot15@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06843CC324FA@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

Not saying you should do this, but I saw a SN95 Mustang (I think) with one of
these style noses grafted onto it last weekend.
http://www.veilside.com/index.php?act=products&id=24

There are quite a few different approaches people have taken with the Tiger
front end. The 'classic' look would be to get a piece of aluminum and make an
angled lip spoiler to attach to the lower valence, like what Mustangs, Camaros
and Challengers of the era used.
You could cut out the piece of sheetmetal that divides the lower valence
opening and make a single, larger opening in the lower valence; or else cut
out the entire center valence panel and have one big snoot like the Cobra.
Maybe Stephen Waybright can re-post a link to his picture?

For some approaches you have to do something about the step in the valence
below the headlights. One guy built split bumpers and that didn't look too
bad, but then you have to modify the way they're attached (need more than one
bolt per corner).

Cheers,
Theo


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From j_d_johnson at earthlink.net  Tue Jun  1 11:58:35 2010
From: j_d_johnson at earthlink.net (J D Johnson)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 10:58:35 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Chin
In-Reply-To: <C82AAA0F.7D46%camelot15@verizon.net>
References: <C82AAA0F.7D46%camelot15@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <E1OJVlJ-0003Tu-63@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

As they say, "to each his own".
http://sqvqdg.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pIfZ3cJahF8MR3fF4OlapdyqkhJTdwKxCllblsbxs6DEFsgR9Vk40dHWG_DwRIEkPZlH4SsWVW6mh4HPvD8uB4sH5cPxHXNGV/custom-0003.jpg

JD

At 09:14 AM 6/1/2010, Bruce MacDougall wrote:
>Let me first say I put my Tiger back together the way I wanted...it's my
>driver and so far I love it. Lots of modifications, mostly out of sight,
>except for hood louvers which look awesome and help with cooling.
>
>Here goes and I know this will torque many of you. I hate the way the stock
>Tiger looks head-on. I want to do away with the bumper and find a chin
>spoiler/air dam. Does anyone know what might fit from another vehicle?
>Asking that question really didn't hurt. Thanks for the help. Bruce

From dave at munroe.ca  Tue Jun  1 12:38:58 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 15:38:58 -0300
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Chin
In-Reply-To: <E1OJVlJ-0003Tu-63@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <C82AAA0F.7D46%camelot15@verizon.net>
	<E1OJVlJ-0003Tu-63@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <53A12B3E49FD4EE5AC003872081C6B36@DavePC>

Well I have to say that if I couldn't have a 100 point concours trailer 
queen, (I don't!) this would be an alternative I would consider.

I like it.

Dave



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J D Johnson" <j_d_johnson at earthlink.net>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Chin


> As they say, "to each his own".
> http://sqvqdg.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pIfZ3cJahF8MR3fF4OlapdyqkhJTdwKxCllblsbxs6DEFsgR9Vk40dHWG_DwRIEkPZlH4SsWVW6mh4HPvD8uB4sH5cPxHXNGV/custom-0003.jpg
>
> JD
>
> At 09:14 AM 6/1/2010, Bruce MacDougall wrote:
>>Let me first say I put my Tiger back together the way I wanted...it's my
>>driver and so far I love it. Lots of modifications, mostly out of sight,
>>except for hood louvers which look awesome and help with cooling.
>>
>>Here goes and I know this will torque many of you. I hate the way the 
>>stock
>>Tiger looks head-on. I want to do away with the bumper and find a chin
>>spoiler/air dam. Does anyone know what might fit from another vehicle?
>>Asking that question really didn't hurt. Thanks for the help. Bruce
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From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun  1 13:46:54 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 12:46:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Re; Tiger Chin   More chins than a Chinese phone book
Message-ID: <969584.59090.qm@web81508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

You could check out the Sunbeam Tiger Facebook page photo section  and see
what was done to AF204. This may be the look you are trying to achieve.  The
car has lots of body mods including a front air dam that ties in with the
flared fenders.    I really like the red air horns hanging from the front
bumper and the side marker lights that resemble those on a big rig. 
 
                                      Jeff
 
 
At 09:14 AM 6/1/2010, Bruce MacDougall wrote:
>Let me first say I put my Tiger back together the way I wanted...it's my
>driver and so far I love it. Lots of modifications, mostly out of sight,
>except for hood louvers which look awesome and help with cooling.
>
>Here goes and I know this will torque many of you. I hate the way the stock
>Tiger looks head-on. I want to do away with the bumper and find a chin
>spoiler/air dam. Does anyone know what might fit from another vehicle?
>Asking that question really didn't hurt. Thanks for the help. Bruce

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Tue Jun  1 14:11:03 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 15:11:03 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Re; Tiger Chin
In-Reply-To: <969584.59090.qm@web81508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <969584.59090.qm@web81508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06843CC3257A@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

Here's Bob Hokanson's car:
http://www.britishv8.org/Other/BobHokanson.htm

-Theo

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From porsche911E at verizon.net  Tue Jun  1 14:57:34 2010
From: porsche911E at verizon.net (Would U. Believe)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 16:57:34 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds
In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06843CC3257A@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <C82AEC7E.340A%porsche911E@verizon.net>

I was wondering if anyone has a strong opinion about whether a Tiger is
really better off with headers versus the original cast iron exhaust
manifolds.  I think the obvious benefit of headers is the gain in
horsepower, but the tradeoff seems to be in the added difficulty in
maintaining the car, given the tight engine bay.  Anyone have an opinion re?
I'd like to have a set of the original manifolds that it seems everyone
seems to have junked because they are so restrictive.  Are there any out
there and available?  I'm just thinking that for me, regular manifolds might
be enough... I'd like to try some out.  Thanks.  M

From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Tue Jun  1 15:01:37 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 17:01:37 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Still on the hunt for a MkII Grille
In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06843CC3257A@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <C82AED71.340C%mcdangerous@verizon.net>

The subject line says it all.  I still have not found a good MkII grille
anywhere (I am certainly not looking in the right places).  I would like to
have one, whether it is a good reproduction or an original.  There was one
out there that was offered to me, but the vertical slats are thinner than
the horizontal slats.  For someone as finicky as I am, that won't do,
unfortunately.  Can anyone help?  Thanks.  M

From spook01 at comcast.net  Tue Jun  1 15:32:55 2010
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 16:32:55 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Headers_versus_Cast_Iron_Exhaust_Manifolds?=
Message-ID: <20100601213143.C408F187895@autox.team.net>

Yep, the old manifold are worth -30 horses. Easy to work with, though. Esp. when you use them as boat anchors!  :-)

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Would U. Believe" <porsche911E at verizon.net>
Date: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 15:57
Subject: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds
To: "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>

I was wondering if anyone has a strong opinion about whether a Tiger is
really better off with headers versus the original cast iron exhaust
manifolds.  I think the obvious benefit of headers is the gain in
horsepower, but the tradeoff seems to be in the added difficulty in
maintaining the car, given the tight engine bay.  Anyone have an opinion re?
I'd like to have a set of the original manifolds that it seems everyone
seems to have junked because they are so restrictive.  Are there any out
there and available?  I'm just thinking that for me, regular manifolds might
be enough... I'd like to try some out.  Thanks.  M
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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  1 15:33:20 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:33:20 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Still on the hunt for a MkII Grille
In-Reply-To: <C82AED71.340C%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
References: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06843CC3257A@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
	<C82AED71.340C%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
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If you find one ask if they have wheel trim. I need some.

Tom

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Would U. Believe <mcdangerous at verizon.net>wrote:

> The subject line says it all.  I still have not found a good MkII grille
> anywhere (I am certainly not looking in the right places).  I would like to
> have one, whether it is a good reproduction or an original.  There was one
> out there that was offered to me, but the vertical slats are thinner than
> the horizontal slats.  For someone as finicky as I am, that won't do,
> unfortunately.  Can anyone help?  Thanks.  M
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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  1 15:43:43 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:43:43 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds
In-Reply-To: <C82AEC7E.340A%porsche911E@verizon.net>
References: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06843CC3257A@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
	<C82AEC7E.340A%porsche911E@verizon.net>
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I just installed a set of Rick's (SS) headers. They went in with no
modification, although the collectors don't quite point to the frame holes.
The fit is tight, but not so tight that you can't work on the car. I had the
headers ceramic coated and installed a new Ford starter. I'm expecting a
performance gain. The car hasn't been started yet, so I don't know how much
gain there will be.

If you're running a stock (not L.A.T.) configuration the cast headers work
fine. NPD and Year One (I'm sure there are others) carry them for @ $400.00.
Rick's are $285 or so. If you're running a 4 BBL carb and Aluminum heads I
think the headers are a must. (That's only an opinion...)

As to my old manifold, it had been sorely abused. You wouldn't want it.

Tom

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Would U. Believe <porsche911E at verizon.net>wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone has a strong opinion about whether a Tiger is
> really better off with headers versus the original cast iron exhaust
> manifolds.  I think the obvious benefit of headers is the gain in
> horsepower, but the tradeoff seems to be in the added difficulty in
> maintaining the car, given the tight engine bay.  Anyone have an opinion
> re?
> I'd like to have a set of the original manifolds that it seems everyone
> seems to have junked because they are so restrictive.  Are there any out
> there and available?  I'm just thinking that for me, regular manifolds
> might
> be enough... I'd like to try some out.  Thanks.  M
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From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Tue Jun  1 16:39:24 2010
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 15:39:24 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds
In-Reply-To: <C82AEC7E.340A%porsche911E@verizon.net>
References: <C82AEC7E.340A%porsche911E@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4C058C1C.4080706@socal.rr.com>

Hmm! You have both a Porsche 911 and a Tiger.  Me too.

It's my son's ambition to own every sports car I ever had, and at the 
same time. He is well on his way.

Have sound on:

*Have sound on: *   < 
http://tigersunited.com/articles/sl-mc/SteveLaifman.asp >

I also have a new set of LAT-27 Tri-Y Tiger cast headers on the shelves 
(as does "Mooney" (Sean Ford).
They are said to add just a few horsepower, but look great.

< http://tigersunited.com/resources/parts_service/pp-lat27.asp >

Larry Paulick has a few words on it:

< 
http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/PaulickExhaust/pt-PaulickExhaust1.asp >

I think they would look best with either an aluminum ceramachrome 
finish, or the fragile black porcelainized finish, like my Jag XK120M.
Do all your fit checks, hammering and grinding before the finish.  Some 
manufacturing errors may exist on this accessory.

Steve


Steve Laifman

Editor

http://TigersUnited.com



Would U. Believe wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone has a strong opinion about whether a Tiger is
> really better off with headers versus the original cast iron exhaust
> manifolds.  I think the obvious benefit of headers is the gain in
> horsepower, but the tradeoff seems to be in the added difficulty in
> maintaining the car, given the tight engine bay.  Anyone have an opinion re?
> I'd like to have a set of the original manifolds that it seems everyone
> seems to have junked because they are so restrictive.  Are there any out
> there and available?  I'm just thinking that for me, regular manifolds might
> be enough... I'd like to try some out.  Thanks.  M

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Jun  1 17:22:13 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 19:22:13 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds
In-Reply-To: <C82AEC7E.340A%porsche911E@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <19F74CB2D44F47C4BE3CB2B1E247B9D0@ronpc1>

M
	The LH exhaust manifold is a Falcon part C3DZ-9431-A and maybe
readily available.   The RH exhaust manifold is a Tiger only part, not
easily found.


Ken Miles took 2 log type Ford exhaust manifolds, reversed them, ran the
exhaust pipe forward then down and back, these manifolds are readily
available.

Ron Fraser



-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Would U. Believe
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 4:58 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds


I was wondering if anyone has a strong opinion about whether a Tiger is
really better off with headers versus the original cast iron exhaust
manifolds.  I think the obvious benefit of headers is the gain in
horsepower, but the tradeoff seems to be in the added difficulty in
maintaining the car, given the tight engine bay.  Anyone have an opinion re?
I'd like to have a set of the original manifolds that it seems everyone
seems to have junked because they are so restrictive.  Are there any out
there and available?  I'm just thinking that for me, regular manifolds might
be enough... I'd like to try some out.  Thanks.  M
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From jteepen at usatoday.com  Tue Jun  1 20:17:00 2010
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 22:17:00 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Still on the hunt for a MkII Grille
In-Reply-To: <C82AED71.340C%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
References: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06843CC3257A@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
	<C82AED71.340C%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
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Have you tried Brian Wecklich?  He was in the process of making MkII grills a
couple of years ago.  The 2005 CAT roster has his phone number as:
714-662-1406.

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Would U. Believe
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 2:02 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Still on the hunt for a MkII Grille

The subject line says it all.  I still have not found a good MkII grille
anywhere (I am certainly not looking in the right places).  I would like to
have one, whether it is a good reproduction or an original.  There was one
out there that was offered to me, but the vertical slats are thinner than
the horizontal slats.  For someone as finicky as I am, that won't do,
unfortunately.  Can anyone help?  Thanks.  M
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From lpaulick1 at verizon.net  Wed Jun  2 08:02:10 2010
From: lpaulick1 at verizon.net (Larry Paulick)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 10:02:10 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds
In-Reply-To: <C82AEC7E.340A%porsche911E@verizon.net>
References: <C82AEC7E.340A%porsche911E@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4C066462.60009@verizon.net>

Besides performance, if you coat your headers with a ceramic coating, 
the underhood temp is reduced, as an added benefit.

Larry

On 6/1/10 4:57 PM, Would U. Believe wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone has a strong opinion about whether a Tiger is
> really better off with headers versus the original cast iron exhaust
> manifolds.  I think the obvious benefit of headers is the gain in
> horsepower, but the tradeoff seems to be in the added difficulty in
> maintaining the car, given the tight engine bay.  Anyone have an opinion re?
> I'd like to have a set of the original manifolds that it seems everyone
> seems to have junked because they are so restrictive.  Are there any out
> there and available?  I'm just thinking that for me, regular manifolds might
> be enough... I'd like to try some out.  Thanks.  M
> _______________________________________________

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  2 11:21:06 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:21:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] need a part
Message-ID: <768787.33746.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I need a clutch fork for a 6 bolt bellhousing. I also have parts to trade with
if you are a guy who likes to trade, etc etc.
Thanks in advance.
 
TonytheTiger

From sganz at pacbell.net  Wed Jun  2 12:13:36 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:13:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] need a part
In-Reply-To: <768787.33746.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <768787.33746.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <915311.6013.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Is that not a standard mustant/ford part? If it is I may have one for you

Sandy



----- Original Message ----
From: Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com>
To: Beamclub <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 10:21:06 AM
Subject: [Tigers] need a part

I need a clutch fork for a 6 bolt bellhousing. I also have parts to trade with
if you are a guy who likes to trade, etc etc.
Thanks in advance.

TonytheTiger
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From mark.rense at ge.com  Thu Jun  3 12:36:25 2010
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd))
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 14:36:25 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds
In-Reply-To: <4C066462.60009@verizon.net>
References: <C82AEC7E.340A%porsche911E@verizon.net>
	<4C066462.60009@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A03E4BCF7@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Some thoughts on exhaust headers from an old Motorhead:

Our 260/289 engines were designed for mundane passenger car usage, not
with high-performance in mind, so an untuned cast iron manifold was all
that was required. The designers were really after cheap reliable
manifolding that kept engine bay temperatures reasonable, and in the RPM
range these engines were designed for a little backpressure was not a
problem.

The hypo cast manifolds of the time (289 Hypo, Tri-Y) were really just
larger, less restrictive versions of the stock manifolds. These allowed
the engine to breath a little better but did not really provide a
substantial boost in power. For that you need equal-length long tube
headers. Your engine is basically a pump, the faster you rev it, the
higher the mass flow rate of the gases being expelled. The tubular
performance header not only allows for good gas flow, it improves power
output by helping to scavenge the exhaust out of each cylinder. The tube
must be long enough and of the correct diameter to allow the exhaust
pulse, putzing along at 250 fps, to travel without restriction into the
collector. The gases then expands inside the collector but late enough
that they do not interfere with the next exhaust pulse like what happens
in the stock cast manifold. This allows faster and a more complete
evacuation of the next firing cylinder. Header manufacturers balance
header tube diameter (larger raises the torque peak, smaller lowers it)
and tube length (short tube for low RPM torque, long tube for high RPM
power) depending on engine configuration. Collector volume is also key,
too small and you lose low-end torque.

A good set of headers can add 15% to 20% more horsepower depending on
how high you are willing to rev your engine. However, there are a few
downsides to using tubular headers. They are by nature tuned to make
power at higher RPM, so if you are running a significant amount of cam
overlap you will lose torque at normal street engine RPMs. Also, headers
seldom fit well, they are noisier (thin wall steel), prone to cracking,
and transmit a lot more convective and radiant heat into the engine bay,
which is why ceramic coatings are popular options for headers. Some
headers also restrict ground clearance because the collectors are so
low.

So, if you really need to make serious power, go for the tubular header
system. But for day-to-day practicality the original cast manifolds will
be the better choice for most folks. I have used both and the last 289 I
built for B382000991 uses the stock manifolds, and still over 250HP at
the rear wheels.

Bugz

From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Thu Jun  3 16:25:03 2010
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 18:25:03 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Emailing: !BtKSfwQ!2k~$(KGrHqMOKjkEvOYsWMqGBL6)dCZc4Q~~_14
Message-ID: <7e751.394c9edf.393985bf@aol.com>

Could this be a Alger?  The X cross member doesn't look  right.
_http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-2-/1704919979
02?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b21d6ece_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-2-/170491997902?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US
_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b21d6ece) 

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From tlkukla at comcast.net  Thu Jun  3 16:41:10 2010
From: tlkukla at comcast.net (Tom Kukla)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 16:41:10 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Brake shoe spring clips
Message-ID: <CFEMIKFANEFNPGNCDDDGOEJMCCAA.tlkukla@comcast.net>

Tiger Owners,
I was re-doing my rear wheel cylinders and broke one of the spring clips
that hold the brakes shoes to the backing plate.  After trying several local
sources in the Denver area, I could not find them.  I decided to check with
NAPA to see if they had something that would work.  They did!  It is NAPA
#80215 and it works great.  It is a little bit different than original but
very close.

Tom Kukla
tlkukla at comcast.net

From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  3 16:50:45 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 18:50:45 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Emailing:
 !BtKSfwQ!2k~$(KGrHqMOKjkEvOYsWMqGBL6)dCZc4Q~~_14
In-Reply-To: <7e751.394c9edf.393985bf@aol.com>
References: <7e751.394c9edf.393985bf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimmqdq1ndqeiGGqz6robyE2GVDE-Pfa6iLNZGLB@mail.gmail.com>

It's a Mark 2. The cross member looks o.k. to me, the right stuff is on the
driver's wheel well (relay, resistor for the alternator, and it's been TAC'd
(or so it seems...)

Absent a personal inspection by an expert (like the TAC committee members)
I'd guess it's good.... based on the images.

Tom
' 67 Mark 2


On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:25 PM, <AAAGLASSS at aol.com> wrote:

> Could this be a Alger?  The X cross member doesn't look  right.
> _
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-2-/1704919979
> 02?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b21d6ece_<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-2-/1704919979%0A02?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b21d6ece_>
> (
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-2-/170491997902?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US
> _Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b21d6ece<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-2-/170491997902?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US%0A_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b21d6ece>
> )
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of
> !BtKSfwQ!2k~$(KGrHqMOKjkEvOYsWMqGBL6)dCZc4Q~~_14.jpg]
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From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Thu Jun  3 16:56:12 2010
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 18:56:12 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Emailing:
 !BtKSfwQ!2k~$(KGrHqMOKjkEvOYsWMqGBL6)dCZc4Q~~_14
Message-ID: <80513.be7d20a.39398d0c@aol.com>

Don't the exhaust pipes go through both X's.
 
 
In a message dated 6/3/2010 3:50:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
tkparker1941 at gmail.com writes:

It's a  Mark 2. The cross member looks o.k. to me, the right stuff is on 
the driver's  wheel well (relay, resistor for the alternator, and it's been 
TAC'd (or so it  seems...)

Absent a personal inspection by an expert (like the TAC  committee members) 
I'd guess it's good.... based on the images.

Tom  
' 67 Mark 2


On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:25 PM, <_AAAGLASSS at aol.com_ 
(mailto:AAAGLASSS at aol.com) > wrote:

Could this be a Alger?  The X cross member doesn't  look  right.
__http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-2-/170491997
9
02?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b21d6ece__ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-2-/1704919979
02?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b21d6ece_) 
(_http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-2-/170491997
902?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US
_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b21d6ece_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-2-/170491997902?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US
_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b21d6ece) )

[demime  1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 
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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  3 16:58:13 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 18:58:13 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Emailing:
 !BtKSfwQ!2k~$(KGrHqMOKjkEvOYsWMqGBL6)dCZc4Q~~_14
In-Reply-To: <7e751.394c9edf.393985bf@aol.com>
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A quick trip to the garage, and a crawl-under to look at the x-member tells
me the x-member has been modified. There's a hole missing on the passenger
side and the exhaust pass-unders have been boxed in. So, yeah, you're right,
it "doesn't look right." That doesn't mean it isn't the "real thing", but a
call to the TAC inspector would be in order before committing real money to
a purchase.

T

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:25 PM, <AAAGLASSS at aol.com> wrote:

> Could this be a Alger?  The X cross member doesn't look  right.
> _
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-2-/1704919979
> 02?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b21d6ece_<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-2-/1704919979%0A02?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b21d6ece_>
> (
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-2-/170491997902?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US
> _Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b21d6ece<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-2-/170491997902?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US%0A_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b21d6ece>
> )
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of
> !BtKSfwQ!2k~$(KGrHqMOKjkEvOYsWMqGBL6)dCZc4Q~~_14.jpg]
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From jd.sencindiver at gmail.com  Thu Jun  3 17:19:12 2010
From: jd.sencindiver at gmail.com (Jim Sencindiver)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 19:19:12 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Emailing:
 !BtKSfwQ!2k~$(KGrHqMOKjkEvOYsWMqGBL6)dCZc4Q~~_14
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I don't see the Mk II specific spare tire tie downs and the battery tie down
is wrong.  But it has been TACed and the 3 Inspectors saw enough evidence
that it was originally manufactured as a Tiger to authenticate it.  I would
have to say it's not an Alger.

Keep on Tigering!
Jim Sencindiver
B382100451/TAC 448
http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp


On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:25 PM, <AAAGLASSS at aol.com> wrote:

> Could this be a Alger?  The X cross member doesn't look  right.
> _
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-2-/1704919979
> 02?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b21d6ece_
> (
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-2-/170491997902?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US
> _Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b21d6ece)
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  3 17:32:21 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 16:32:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Brake shoe spring clips
In-Reply-To: <CFEMIKFANEFNPGNCDDDGOEJMCCAA.tlkukla@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <512468.27522.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

THANKS Tom from everyone on the LIST. Its always handy to know items like
spring clips can be found. You should keep the radiator hose numbers in the
car or on your cell phone as NAPA also carries hoses that will work.
TonytheTiger

--- On Thu, 6/3/10, Tom Kukla <tlkukla at comcast.net> wrote:


From: Tom Kukla <tlkukla at comcast.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Brake shoe spring clips
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 5:41 PM


Tiger Owners,
I was re-doing my rear wheel cylinders and broke one of the spring clips
that hold the brakes shoes to the backing plate.  After trying several local
sources in the Denver area, I could not find them.  I decided to check with
NAPA to see if they had something that would work.  They did!  It is NAPA
#80215 and it works great.  It is a little bit different than original but
very close.

Tom Kukla
tlkukla at comcast.net
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From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Thu Jun  3 18:48:05 2010
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 17:48:05 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikYshcg4DkeP9MQduu9zjMLer0UGDcJdQXN1-UF@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7e751.394c9edf.393985bf@aol.com>
	<AANLkTikYshcg4DkeP9MQduu9zjMLer0UGDcJdQXN1-UF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C084D45.5090707@socal.rr.com>

Jim,

See who actually signed the TAC certificate.  It is ON the certificate.  
Norman's web site also contains a list of certified and assigned TAC 
numbers:

http://www.rootes1.com/


I am getting very suspicious due to your statement about "spare tire tie 
downs".  The Tiger does not  have "tie-downs". Here I am envisioning a 
leather set of belts to hold the spare against the froward end of the 
trunk to tie it down vertically in the convenient well (not used in a 
Tiger).  The Tiger design  fits on the floor atop a welded stamped  bell 
with an in-caged nut, and held with a center hole fitting plate and 
bolted to the floor mount.

The Alpine mounted the tire vertically  at the front of the trunk 
compartment.

Here are some Pics of Denis Mercier's Mk IA spare tire mounted.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=1360287247&aid=23591&l=f21ac448f1&s=40&hash=be4d7e7777b27c1b89f399d67213f99b 
<cid:part1.07070901.05040704 at socal.rr.com>


"Don't Look a Gift Tiger in the Mouth!"

    (Pic of Roaring Tiger - won't go through List)

Steve

Steve Laifman

Editor

http://TigersUnited.com



Jim Sencindiver wrote:
> I don't see the Mk II specific spare tire tie downs and the battery tie down
> is wrong.  But it has been TACed and the 3 Inspectors saw enough evidence
> that it was originally manufactured as a Tiger to authenticate it.  I would
> have to say it's not an Alger.
>
> Keep on Tigering!
> Jim Sencindiver
> B382100451/TAC 448

From jim at island.net  Thu Jun  3 19:41:11 2010
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 18:41:11 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <4C084D45.5090707@socal.rr.com>
References: <7e751.394c9edf.393985bf@aol.com><AANLkTikYshcg4DkeP9MQduu9zjMLer0UGDcJdQXN1-UF@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C084D45.5090707@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <D31A58F3FD26482C800206E806472EBA@JIMPC>

Steve...

What are you suspicious about exactly?
No, it doesn't have 'tie-downs' and we all know what it looks like...but it
HAS been TAC'ed .... and I only know of one car that was TAC'ed and turned
out it wasn't quite what it was supposed to be... Geez... I saw a Tiger with
a complete Alpine front half TAC'ed at TUXXX
What exactly is the argument here ??

Jim G.
B382000446

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Steve Laifman
Sent: June 3, 2010 5:48 PM
To: Jim Sencindiver
Cc: AAAGLASSS at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?

Jim,

See who actually signed the TAC certificate.  It is ON the certificate.  
Norman's web site also contains a list of certified and assigned TAC 
numbers:

http://www.rootes1.com/


I am getting very suspicious due to your statement about "spare tire tie 
downs".  The Tiger does not  have "tie-downs". Here I am envisioning a 
leather set of belts to hold the spare against the froward end of the 
trunk to tie it down vertically in the convenient well (not used in a 
Tiger).  The Tiger design  fits on the floor atop a welded stamped  bell 
with an in-caged nut, and held with a center hole fitting plate and 
bolted to the floor mount.

The Alpine mounted the tire vertically  at the front of the trunk 
compartment.

Here are some Pics of Denis Mercier's Mk IA spare tire mounted.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=1360287247&aid=23591&l=f21ac448f1&s=40&
hash=be4d7e7777b27c1b89f399d67213f99b 
<cid:part1.07070901.05040704 at socal.rr.com>


"Don't Look a Gift Tiger in the Mouth!"

    (Pic of Roaring Tiger - won't go through List)

Steve

Steve Laifman

Editor

http://TigersUnited.com



Jim Sencindiver wrote:
> I don't see the Mk II specific spare tire tie downs and the battery tie
down
> is wrong.  But it has been TACed and the 3 Inspectors saw enough evidence
> that it was originally manufactured as a Tiger to authenticate it.  I
would
> have to say it's not an Alger.
>
> Keep on Tigering!
> Jim Sencindiver
> B382100451/TAC 448
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  3 20:12:22 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 19:12:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] radiator hose numbers
Message-ID: <298139.42907.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I was ask about the numbers for the radiator hoses. I know I have them but my memory is not recalling where. I know NAPA numbers where the last ones Doug Jennings gave me. Would someone please post the numbers.
TtT

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Thu Jun  3 20:13:35 2010
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 19:13:35 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <D31A58F3FD26482C800206E806472EBA@JIMPC>
References: <7e751.394c9edf.393985bf@aol.com><AANLkTikYshcg4DkeP9MQduu9zjMLer0UGDcJdQXN1-UF@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C084D45.5090707@socal.rr.com>
	<D31A58F3FD26482C800206E806472EBA@JIMPC>
Message-ID: <4C08614F.1020009@socal.rr.com>

Jim,

There is no argument, other than your own statement:

"I don't see the Mk II specific spare tire tie downs and the battery tie 
down  is wrong - .Jim"

Apparently I did got the idea that all was not as you expected here.

See below for your statement to which I was responding.

There are NO "tie downs" except the top disk and bolt.  The welded floor 
piece, and the "base" should be welded there.

In that way there isn't a "tie-down".  Just the bolted "hat".

Sorry if I misunderstood what you said.

By the way, it has been reported that a number of "blank" TAC 
certificates went missing some time ago.  I have no idea if this is so.  
I hope not.
I am sure we will hear back on this point.

Steve

Steve Laifman

Editor

http://TigersUnited.com

Jim,


Jim wrote:
> Steve...
>
> What are you suspicious about exactly?
> No, it doesn't have 'tie-downs' and we all know what it looks like...but it
> HAS been TAC'ed .... and I only know of one car that was TAC'ed and turned
> out it wasn't quite what it was supposed to be... Geez... I saw a Tiger with
> a complete Alpine front half TAC'ed at TUXXX
> What exactly is the argument here ??
>
> Jim G.
> B382000446
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
>
>
> /Jim Sencindiver wrote:
> /
>> /*I don't see the Mk II specific spare tire tie downs* and the battery tie down is wrong.  But it has been TACed and the 3 Inspectors saw enough evidence that it was originally manufactured as a Tiger to authenticate it.  I would have to say it's not an Alger.
>>
>> Keep on Tigering!
>> Jim Sencindiver
>> B382100451/TAC 448/

From RSSmithIQ at cs.com  Thu Jun  3 20:13:46 2010
From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 22:13:46 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <4C084D45.5090707@socal.rr.com>
References: <7e751.394c9edf.393985bf@aol.com>
	<AANLkTikYshcg4DkeP9MQduu9zjMLer0UGDcJdQXN1-UF@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C084D45.5090707@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4C08615A.9070404@cs.com>

Steve-

Jim is a TAC inspector and owns a Mk II, so I would think he knows what 
he is talking about.

-Randy

On 6/3/2010 8:48 PM, Steve Laifman wrote:
> Jim,
>
> See who actually signed the TAC certificate.  It is ON the certificate.
> Norman's web site also contains a list of certified and assigned TAC
> numbers:
>
> http://www.rootes1.com/
>
>
> I am getting very suspicious due to your statement about "spare tire tie
> downs".  The Tiger does not  have "tie-downs". Here I am envisioning a
> leather set of belts to hold the spare against the froward end of the
> trunk to tie it down vertically in the convenient well (not used in a
> Tiger).  The Tiger design  fits on the floor atop a welded stamped  bell
> with an in-caged nut, and held with a center hole fitting plate and
> bolted to the floor mount.
>
> The Alpine mounted the tire vertically  at the front of the trunk
> compartment.
>
> Here are some Pics of Denis Mercier's Mk IA spare tire mounted.
>
> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=1360287247&aid=23591&l=f21ac448f1&s=40&hash=be4d7e7777b27c1b89f399d67213f99b
> <cid:part1.07070901.05040704 at socal.rr.com>
>
>
> "Don't Look a Gift Tiger in the Mouth!"
>
>      (Pic of Roaring Tiger - won't go through List)
>
> Steve
>
> Steve Laifman
>
> Editor
>
> http://TigersUnited.com
>
>
>
> Jim Sencindiver wrote:
>    
>> I don't see the Mk II specific spare tire tie downs and the battery tie down
>> is wrong.  But it has been TACed and the 3 Inspectors saw enough evidence
>> that it was originally manufactured as a Tiger to authenticate it.  I would
>> have to say it's not an Alger.
>>
>> Keep on Tigering!
>> Jim Sencindiver
>> B382100451/TAC 448
-

Randy Smith
INNER QUEST, Inc.
34752 Charles Town Pike
Purcellville, VA  20132
703-478-1078
540-668-6699
540-668-6253 fax

InnerQuestOnline.com <http://www.innerquestonline.com/>
RSSmithIQ at cs.com
Tiger- B382000189

From jd.sencindiver at gmail.com  Thu Jun  3 22:03:40 2010
From: jd.sencindiver at gmail.com (Jim Sencindiver)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 00:03:40 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <4C08614F.1020009@socal.rr.com>
References: <7e751.394c9edf.393985bf@aol.com>
	<AANLkTikYshcg4DkeP9MQduu9zjMLer0UGDcJdQXN1-UF@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C084D45.5090707@socal.rr.com>
	<D31A58F3FD26482C800206E806472EBA@JIMPC>
	<4C08614F.1020009@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinVuogET9dGCEzl2ZyZ6FcT3166R6O31PtIufIj@mail.gmail.com>

Steve,

On Mk II Tigers they did away with the "bolted hat" that was used on Mk I
and Mk IAs and used a couple of straps to hold the spare in place.  The
straps were attached to brackets/tie downs that were bolted to the floor of
the boot.  The spare could not go in the Alpine spare well, since the fuel
pump is mounted there on Mk IIs.

I'm only speculating, but if this Tiger had a rear clip replacement, that
would account for the lack of spare tire bracket/tie down holes and the non
original battery tie down.  If the TAC inspectors were able to find the cut
lines from a rear clip replacement, then it would explain why these Tiger
specific items were not there.

Keep on Tigering!
Jim Sencindiver
B382100451/TAC 448

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Steve Laifman <slaifman at socal.rr.com>wrote:

> Jim,
>
> There is no argument, other than your own statement:
>
> "I don't see the Mk II specific spare tire tie downs and the battery tie
> down  is wrong - .Jim"
>
> Apparently I did got the idea that all was not as you expected here.
>
> See below for your statement to which I was responding.
>
> There are NO "tie downs" except the top disk and bolt.  The welded floor
> piece, and the "base" should be welded there.
>
> In that way there isn't a "tie-down".  Just the bolted "hat".
>
> Sorry if I misunderstood what you said.
>
> By the way, it has been reported that a number of "blank" TAC
> certificates went missing some time ago.  I have no idea if this is so.
> I hope not.
> I am sure we will hear back on this point.
>
> Steve
>
> Steve Laifman
>
> Editor
>
> http://TigersUnited.com <http://tigersunited.com/>

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Thu Jun  3 22:37:29 2010
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 21:37:29 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinVuogET9dGCEzl2ZyZ6FcT3166R6O31PtIufIj@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7e751.394c9edf.393985bf@aol.com>
	<AANLkTikYshcg4DkeP9MQduu9zjMLer0UGDcJdQXN1-UF@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C084D45.5090707@socal.rr.com>
	<D31A58F3FD26482C800206E806472EBA@JIMPC>
	<4C08614F.1020009@socal.rr.com>
	<AANLkTinVuogET9dGCEzl2ZyZ6FcT3166R6O31PtIufIj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C088309.60500@socal.rr.com>

Jim,

Thank you for the "hands-on" Mk II information.  While I don't know all 
the TAC criteria, the main one is that it rolled off the assembly line 
as a Tiger.

Putting a Chevy Engine in is allowed.

Appreciate your patience in explaining this change.  Seen lot's of Mk 
II's, but haven't, personally, put my nose too deeply into the trunk.

I hear that there are some who really like to get their noses in places 
like this. (9-)

Steve

Steve Laifman

Editor

http://TigersUnited.com



Jim Sencindiver wrote:
> Steve,
>  
> On Mk II Tigers they did away with the "bolted hat" that was used on 
> Mk I and Mk IAs and used a couple of straps to hold the spare in 
> place.  The straps were attached to brackets/tie downs that were 
> bolted to the floor of the boot.  The spare could not go in the Alpine 
> spare well, since the fuel pump is mounted there on Mk IIs.
>  
> I'm only speculating, but if this Tiger had a rear clip replacement, 
> that would account for the lack of spare tire bracket/tie down holes 
> and the non original battery tie down.  If the TAC inspectors were 
> able to find the cut lines from a rear clip replacement, then it would 
> explain why these Tiger specific items were not there.
>  
> Keep on Tigering!
> Jim Sencindiver
> B382100451/TAC 448
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Steve Laifman <slaifman at socal.rr.com 
> <mailto:slaifman at socal.rr.com>> wrote:
>
>     Jim,
>
>     There is no argument, other than your own statement:
>
>     "I don't see the Mk II specific spare tire tie downs and the
>     battery tie
>     down  is wrong - .Jim"
>
>     Apparently I did got the idea that all was not as you expected here.
>
>     See below for your statement to which I was responding.
>
>     There are NO "tie downs" except the top disk and bolt.  The welded
>     floor
>     piece, and the "base" should be welded there.
>
>     In that way there isn't a "tie-down".  Just the bolted "hat".
>
>     Sorry if I misunderstood what you said.
>
>     By the way, it has been reported that a number of "blank" TAC
>     certificates went missing some time ago.  I have no idea if this
>     is so.
>     I hope not.
>     I am sure we will hear back on this point.
>
>     Steve
>
>     Steve Laifman
>
>     Editor
>
>     http://TigersUnited.com <http://tigersunited.com/>

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  3 22:44:42 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 21:44:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinVuogET9dGCEzl2ZyZ6FcT3166R6O31PtIufIj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <268682.30740.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

As Jim mentioned, the rear clip may have been replaced or, for example, I have
a nice complete trunk platform from epay- it was cut above the frame rails but
looks new on the bottom- I just bought it for repair on another Tiger that was
never done. The trunk may have been rusted to the point a better trunk floor
was installed. If its truly TACed, I would imagine it took some extreme work
to fool 3 TAC officials.
TtT

--- On Thu, 6/3/10, Jim Sencindiver <jd.sencindiver at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Jim Sencindiver <jd.sencindiver at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
To: "Steve Laifman" <slaifman at socal.rr.com>
Cc: "Tiger's Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, June 3, 2010, 11:03 PM


Steve,

On Mk II Tigers they did away with the "bolted hat" that was used on Mk I
and Mk IAs and used a couple of straps to hold the spare in place.  The
straps were attached to brackets/tie downs that were bolted to the floor of
the boot.  The spare could not go in the Alpine spare well, since the fuel
pump is mounted there on Mk IIs.

I'm only speculating, but if this Tiger had a rear clip replacement, that
would account for the lack of spare tire bracket/tie down holes and the non
original battery tie down.  If the TAC inspectors were able to find the cut
lines from a rear clip replacement, then it would explain why these Tiger
specific items were not there.

Keep on Tigering!
Jim Sencindiver
B382100451/TAC 448

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Steve Laifman <slaifman at socal.rr.com>wrote:

> Jim,
>
> There is no argument, other than your own statement:
>
> "I don't see the Mk II specific spare tire tie downs and the battery tie
> down  is wrong - .Jim"
>
> Apparently I did got the idea that all was not as you expected here.
>
> See below for your statement to which I was responding.
>
> There are NO "tie downs" except the top disk and bolt.  The welded floor
> piece, and the "base" should be welded there.
>
> In that way there isn't a "tie-down".  Just the bolted "hat".
>
> Sorry if I misunderstood what you said.
>
> By the way, it has been reported that a number of "blank" TAC
> certificates went missing some time ago.  I have no idea if this is so.
> I hope not.
> I am sure we will hear back on this point.
>
> Steve
>
> Steve Laifman
>
> Editor
>
> http://TigersUnited.com <http://tigersunited.com/>
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From porsche911E at verizon.net  Fri Jun  4 05:01:29 2010
From: porsche911E at verizon.net (Would U. Believe)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 07:01:29 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinVuogET9dGCEzl2ZyZ6FcT3166R6O31PtIufIj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C82E5549.34C0%porsche911E@verizon.net>

I was going to say...  It's funny how one can think s/he knows something and
then doubt that knowledge.  I knew there was a new spare tire securing
system in the MKII and a fuel pump in the Alpine's spare storage;
nonetheless, I was questioning my own knowledge while reading the previous
emails.  The one question I have is about the hole through the rear rail to
the left (driver's side) of the left exhaust bank near the drive shaft.
That is something I do not recognize and don't know its function.  Any
ideas?  The exhaust pass-throughs look right to me.  This car is pretty
tempting to me, to be honest.  Too bad I can't afford it!  I'd have to sell
a car to buy it.  Ugh to that idea.


On 6/4/10 12:03 AM, "Jim Sencindiver" <jd.sencindiver at gmail.com> wrote:

> Steve,
> 
> On Mk II Tigers they did away with the "bolted hat" that was used on Mk I
> and Mk IAs and used a couple of straps to hold the spare in place.  The
> straps were attached to brackets/tie downs that were bolted to the floor of
> the boot.  The spare could not go in the Alpine spare well, since the fuel
> pump is mounted there on Mk IIs.
> 
> I'm only speculating, but if this Tiger had a rear clip replacement, that
> would account for the lack of spare tire bracket/tie down holes and the non
> original battery tie down.  If the TAC inspectors were able to find the cut
> lines from a rear clip replacement, then it would explain why these Tiger
> specific items were not there.
> 
> Keep on Tigering!
> Jim Sencindiver
> B382100451/TAC 448
> 
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:13 PM, Steve Laifman <slaifman at socal.rr.com>wrote:
> 
>> Jim,
>> 
>> There is no argument, other than your own statement:
>> 
>> "I don't see the Mk II specific spare tire tie downs and the battery tie
>> down  is wrong - .Jim"
>> 
>> Apparently I did got the idea that all was not as you expected here.
>> 
>> See below for your statement to which I was responding.
>> 
>> There are NO "tie downs" except the top disk and bolt.  The welded floor
>> piece, and the "base" should be welded there.
>> 
>> In that way there isn't a "tie-down".  Just the bolted "hat".
>> 
>> Sorry if I misunderstood what you said.
>> 
>> By the way, it has been reported that a number of "blank" TAC
>> certificates went missing some time ago.  I have no idea if this is so.
>> I hope not.
>> I am sure we will hear back on this point.
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> Steve Laifman
>> 
>> Editor
>> 
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Jun  4 05:59:07 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 07:59:07 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] need a part
In-Reply-To: <768787.33746.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9A22745A7DA548DC810059812A5D9F39@ronpc1>

Tony
	One of my catalogs indicates Clutch release lever C5OZ-7515-B is
used on all 8 cyl, 1964 through 2/15/68 and is 
9 1/4" long.   This seems to indicate that it is the same part as the 260
release lever C3AZ-7515-A but I have never compared these 2 parts.

Ron Fraser

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Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:21 PM
To: Beamclub
Subject: [Tigers] need a part


I need a clutch fork for a 6 bolt bellhousing. I also have parts to trade
with if you are a guy who likes to trade, etc etc. Thanks in advance.
 
TonytheTiger
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From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com  Fri Jun  4 07:02:22 2010
From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 09:02:22 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
Message-ID: <4b507.5d621b00.393a535e@aol.com>

My MKII used the trunk well for the fuel pump, so it was not unused. 
 
"Here I am envisioning a leather set of belts to hold the spare against the 
 froward end of the trunk to tie it down vertically in the convenient well 
(not  used in a Tiger)."
 
Fred Baum
Former MKII owner
Current MKI & MKIA owner
 
 
In a message dated 6/3/2010 9:10:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
slaifman at socal.rr.com writes:

Jim,

See who actually signed the TAC certificate.  It is ON  the certificate.  
Norman's web site also contains a list of certified  and assigned TAC 
numbers:

http://www.rootes1.com/


I am  getting very suspicious due to your statement about "spare tire tie  
downs".  The Tiger does not  have "tie-downs". Here I am envisioning a 
leather set of belts to hold the  spare against the froward end of the 
trunk to tie it down vertically in  the convenient well (not used in a 
Tiger).  The  Tiger design  fits on the floor atop a welded stamped  bell 
with  an in-caged nut, and held with a center hole fitting plate and 
bolted to  the floor mount.

The Alpine mounted the tire vertically at the front of  the trunk 
compartment.

Here are some Pics of Denis Mercier's Mk IA  spare tire  mounted.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=1360287247&aid=23591&l=f21ac448f1&s=40&
hash=be4d7e7777b27c1b89f399d67213f99b  
<cid:part1.07070901.05040704 at socal.rr.com>

From jim at island.net  Fri Jun  4 10:23:54 2010
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 09:23:54 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <D31A58F3FD26482C800206E806472EBA@JIMPC>
References: <7e751.394c9edf.393985bf@aol.com><AANLkTikYshcg4DkeP9MQduu9zjMLer0UGDcJdQXN1-UF@mail.gmail.com><4C084D45.5090707@socal.rr.com>
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BTW, I believe that every car that has been TAC'd is unequivocally a real
Tiger. What I was referencing below was a discrepancy in the VIN# which is
something outside of the TAC program as has no bearing on whether a
particular chassis is in fact an original Tiger.

Jim
B382000446
TAC#0671



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On Behalf Of Jim
Sent: June 3, 2010 6:41 PM
To: 'Steve Laifman'; 'Jim Sencindiver'
Cc: AAAGLASSS at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?

Steve...

What are you suspicious about exactly?
No, it doesn't have 'tie-downs' and we all know what it looks like...but it
HAS been TAC'ed .... and I only know of one car that was TAC'ed and turned
out it wasn't quite what it was supposed to be... Geez... I saw a Tiger with
a complete Alpine front half TAC'ed at TUXXX
What exactly is the argument here ??

Jim G.
B382000446

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Steve Laifman
Sent: June 3, 2010 5:48 PM
To: Jim Sencindiver
Cc: AAAGLASSS at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?

Jim,

See who actually signed the TAC certificate.  It is ON the certificate.  
Norman's web site also contains a list of certified and assigned TAC 
numbers:

http://www.rootes1.com/


I am getting very suspicious due to your statement about "spare tire tie 
downs".  The Tiger does not  have "tie-downs". Here I am envisioning a 
leather set of belts to hold the spare against the froward end of the 
trunk to tie it down vertically in the convenient well (not used in a 
Tiger).  The Tiger design  fits on the floor atop a welded stamped  bell 
with an in-caged nut, and held with a center hole fitting plate and 
bolted to the floor mount.

The Alpine mounted the tire vertically  at the front of the trunk 
compartment.

Here are some Pics of Denis Mercier's Mk IA spare tire mounted.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=1360287247&aid=23591&l=f21ac448f1&s=40&
hash=be4d7e7777b27c1b89f399d67213f99b 
<cid:part1.07070901.05040704 at socal.rr.com>


"Don't Look a Gift Tiger in the Mouth!"

    (Pic of Roaring Tiger - won't go through List)

Steve

Steve Laifman

Editor

http://TigersUnited.com



Jim Sencindiver wrote:
> I don't see the Mk II specific spare tire tie downs and the battery tie
down
> is wrong.  But it has been TACed and the 3 Inspectors saw enough evidence
> that it was originally manufactured as a Tiger to authenticate it.  I
would
> have to say it's not an Alger.
>
> Keep on Tigering!
> Jim Sencindiver
> B382100451/TAC 448
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From dave at munroe.ca  Fri Jun  4 12:56:21 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:56:21 -0300
Subject: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <C82E5549.34C0%porsche911E@verizon.net>
References: <C82E5549.34C0%porsche911E@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <848B608915FE4C529787AF0CD62A21D5@DavePC>

You asked:

" The one question I have is about the hole through the rear rail to the 
left (driver's side) of the left exhaust bank near the drive shaft. That is 
something I do not recognize and don't know its function.  Any ideas?"

It looks like an ill-advised access hole in a stressed member to make 
installing the speedo cable easier....

Dave 

From Greg.Koss at TRW.COM  Fri Jun  4 14:02:31 2010
From: Greg.Koss at TRW.COM (Greg Koss)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:02:31 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
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	<848B608915FE4C529787AF0CD62A21D5@DavePC>
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That hole in the X-member is where the Alpine exhaust was routed.

>>> Dave Munroe <dave at munroe.ca> 6/4/2010 2:56 PM >>>
You asked:

" The one question I have is about the hole through the rear rail to the
left (driver's side) of the left exhaust bank near the drive shaft. That is
something I do not recognize and don't know its function.  Any ideas?"

It looks like an ill-advised access hole in a stressed member to make
installing the speedo cable easier....

Dave
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From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Fri Jun  4 15:39:23 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 17:39:23 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <4C092398.880C.0076.1@TRW.COM>
Message-ID: <C82EEACB.34E3%mcdangerous@verizon.net>

Ummmmm.....  How can that be if the car is a TACed MkII Tiger?  Is what you
are saying that the car is a fraud (Alger)?


On 6/4/10 4:02 PM, "Greg Koss" <Greg.Koss at TRW.COM> wrote:

> That hole in the X-member is where the Alpine exhaust was routed.
> 
>>>> Dave Munroe <dave at munroe.ca> 6/4/2010 2:56 PM >>>
> You asked:
> 
> " The one question I have is about the hole through the rear rail to the
> left (driver's side) of the left exhaust bank near the drive shaft. That is
> something I do not recognize and don't know its function.  Any ideas?"
> 
> It looks like an ill-advised access hole in a stressed member to make
> installing the speedo cable easier....
> 
> Dave
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Fri Jun  4 15:51:07 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (atwittsend at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:51:07 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
Message-ID: <8217742.966312.1275688267714.JavaMail.root@vms063.mailsrvcs.net>

/VIKFgV: Permission denied

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Fri Jun  4 16:14:17 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 17:14:17 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <C82EEACB.34E3%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
References: <4C092398.880C.0076.1@TRW.COM>
	<C82EEACB.34E3%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
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>From looking at the pictures it appears that the car in question has a custom
built X frame, presumably to replace rotted original components. That doesn't
make it an Alger, nor would the use of X frame components from an Alpine in an
eventual re-restoration (in the absence of wholesale replacement of many other
chassis panels).
Evidently the TAC inspectors were able to confirm enough of the rest of the
bodyshell's construction that it got the TAC certificate. TAC does not imply
that the bodyshell is completely original, just that there is sufficient
evidence that the bodyshell was assembled as a Tiger by Rootes or their
subsidiaries.

Theo
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Would U. Believe
> Sent: June 4, 2010 3:39 PM
> To: Greg Koss; Tiger's Den
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
>
> Ummmmm.....  How can that be if the car is a TACed MkII Tiger?  Is what
> you
> are saying that the car is a fraud (Alger)?
>


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From scattt at verizon.net  Fri Jun  4 16:14:25 2010
From: scattt at verizon.net (Scattt)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 18:14:25 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
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It sounds like the hole you are describing is the Alpine exhaust passage 
which is present on all Tigers.
Nick


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<slaifman at socal.rr.com>
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?


>I was going to say...  It's funny how one can think s/he knows something 
>and
> then doubt that knowledge.  I knew there was a new spare tire securing
> system in the MKII and a fuel pump in the Alpine's spare storage;
> nonetheless, I was questioning my own knowledge while reading the previous
> emails.  The one question I have is about the hole through the rear rail 
> to
> the left (driver's side) of the left exhaust bank near the drive shaft.
> That is something I do not recognize and don't know its function.  Any
> ideas?  The exhaust pass-throughs look right to me.  This car is pretty
> tempting to me, to be honest.  Too bad I can't afford it!  I'd have to 
> sell
> a car to buy it.  Ugh to that idea.
>

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From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Fri Jun  4 16:29:53 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 18:29:53 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06843CC32BD3@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <C82EF6A1.34EE%mcdangerous@verizon.net>

Theo, That's the way I see it too.  I was just surprised to see "that's
where the alpine exhaust passed through without qualifying the statement.
Thanks.  M


On 6/4/10 6:14 PM, "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:

> From looking at the pictures it appears that the car in question has a custom
> built X frame, presumably to replace rotted original components. That doesn't
> make it an Alger, nor would the use of X frame components from an Alpine in an
> eventual re-restoration (in the absence of wholesale replacement of many other
> chassis panels).
> Evidently the TAC inspectors were able to confirm enough of the rest of the
> bodyshell's construction that it got the TAC certificate. TAC does not imply
> that the bodyshell is completely original, just that there is sufficient
> evidence that the bodyshell was assembled as a Tiger by Rootes or their
> subsidiaries.
> 
> Theo
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
>> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Would U. Believe
>> Sent: June 4, 2010 3:39 PM
>> To: Greg Koss; Tiger's Den
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
>> 
>> Ummmmm.....  How can that be if the car is a TACed MkII Tiger?  Is what
>> you
>> are saying that the car is a fraud (Alger)?
>> 
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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 16:53:16 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 18:53:16 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <848B608915FE4C529787AF0CD62A21D5@DavePC>
References: <C82E5549.34C0%porsche911E@verizon.net>
	<848B608915FE4C529787AF0CD62A21D5@DavePC>
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 "How can that be if the car is a TACed MkII Tiger?  Is what you
are saying that the car is a fraud (Alger)?"

They all have it. Tigers are, simply put, Alpines modified at the plant.
I've had my Mark 2 since 1976 and just recently discovered the Alpine
exhaust hole. But it's been hiding there in plain sight since I bought the
car and I've been around and under the car more often than I care to admit.

Tom.

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Dave Munroe <dave at munroe.ca> wrote:

> You asked:
>
> " The one question I have is about the hole through the rear rail to the
> left (driver's side) of the left exhaust bank near the drive shaft. That is
> something I do not recognize and don't know its function.  Any ideas?"
>
> It looks like an ill-advised access hole in a stressed member to make
> installing the speedo cable easier....
>
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From spook01 at comcast.net  Fri Jun  4 17:44:27 2010
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 18:44:27 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Are_This_a_Tiger=3F?=
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Wasn't the fake mk.2 that won the lord rootes trophy tac'd?
Big oops. 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

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From: "Tom Parker" <tkparker1941 at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jun 4, 2010 17:53
Subject: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
To: "Dave Munroe" <dave at munroe.ca>
Cc: "Tiger's Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>


 "How can that be if the car is a TACed MkII Tiger?  Is what you
are saying that the car is a fraud (Alger)?"

They all have it. Tigers are, simply put, Alpines modified at the plant.
I've had my Mark 2 since 1976 and just recently discovered the Alpine
exhaust hole. But it's been hiding there in plain sight since I bought the
car and I've been around and under the car more often than I care to admit.

Tom.

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Dave Munroe <dave at munroe.ca> wrote:

> You asked:
>
> " The one question I have is about the hole through the rear rail to the
> left (driver's side) of the left exhaust bank near the drive shaft. That is
> something I do not recognize and don't know its function.  Any ideas?"
>
> It looks like an ill-advised access hole in a stressed member to make
> installing the speedo cable easier....
>
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From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  4 18:30:24 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 17:30:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <848B608915FE4C529787AF0CD62A21D5@DavePC>
Message-ID: <893398.61847.qm@web111618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

You're not talking about the speedo access hole on my late MKiA's left rail.
Placed perfectly to allow a very long socket + extension to reach the
speed drive gear and hold down bolt.  Changing the gear is simple.
Finding the 15 tooth drive gear is the issue.
 
Dave


--- On Fri, 6/4/10, Dave Munroe <dave at munroe.ca> wrote:


From: Dave Munroe <dave at munroe.ca>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
To: "Would U. Believe" <porsche911E at verizon.net>
Cc: "Tiger's Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 6:56 PM


You asked:

" The one question I have is about the hole through the rear rail to the left
(driver's side) of the left exhaust bank near the drive shaft. That is
something I do not recognize and don't know its function.  Any ideas?"

It looks like an ill-advised access hole in a stressed member to make
installing the speedo cable easier....

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From dave at munroe.ca  Fri Jun  4 18:51:58 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 21:51:58 -0300
Subject: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
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Message-ID: <52DF3976B1C34A579F890A70031D504F@DavePC>

Dave:

No way am I going to argue with the experts on this list which includes a TAC inspector, and not having my car handy to look and see if it has that very same hole, but on this car in question, that's a mighty big hole for a small exhaust pipe, and it looks like it has seriously weakened the X beam because the hole's location is so close to the top of that section.
>From what I can see anyway...also, if you enlarge the photo, you can see the speedo cable entry into the tranny tailpiece, right there.

Maybe that IS the Alpine ex pipe hole, and some previous owner enlarged it?

Dave

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David T Johnson 
  To: Dave Munroe 
  Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net 
  Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 9:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?


        You're not talking about the speedo access hole on my late MKiA's left rail.
        Placed perfectly to allow a very long socket + extension to reach the
        speed drive gear and hold down bolt.  Changing the gear is simple.
        Finding the 15 tooth drive gear is the issue.

        Dave


        --- On Fri, 6/4/10, Dave Munroe <dave at munroe.ca> wrote:


          From: Dave Munroe <dave at munroe.ca>
          Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
          To: "Would U. Believe" <porsche911E at verizon.net>
          Cc: "Tiger's Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>
          Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 6:56 PM


          You asked:

          " The one question I have is about the hole through the rear rail to the left (driver's side) of the left exhaust bank near the drive shaft. That is something I do not recognize and don't know its function.  Any ideas?"

          It looks like an ill-advised access hole in a stressed member to make installing the speedo cable easier....

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From marcsmall at comcast.net  Fri Jun  4 20:46:21 2010
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 22:46:21 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikEa4pNIcUUcKzvPa2HAb4g0ffzgVKTX0XitxzA@mail.gmail.c om>
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Message-ID: <20100605024812.2DCCD187644@autox.team.net>

At 06:53 PM 6/4/2010, Tom Parker wrote:
 > "How can that be if the car is a TACed MkII Tiger?  Is what you
 >are saying that the car is a fraud (Alger)?"
 >
 >They all have it. Tigers are, simply put, Alpines modified at the plant.
 >I've had my Mark 2 since 1976 and just recently discovered the Alpine
 >exhaust hole. But it's been hiding there in plain sight since I bought the
 >car and I've been around and under the car more often than I care to admit.

Am I missing something?  I had thought that the
production Tiger bodies were all made by Jensen,
a totally separate company, before being sent to
Rootes for the final touches such as the power train.  Is this wrong?

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 21:10:42 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 13:10:42 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <4C088309.60500@socal.rr.com>
References: <7e751.394c9edf.393985bf@aol.com>
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> Appreciate your patience in explaining this change.  Seen lot's of Mk
> II's, but haven't, personally, put my nose too deeply into the trunk.
>
> > On Mk II Tigers they did away with the "bolted hat" that was used on
> > Mk I and Mk IAs and used a couple of straps to hold the spare in
> > place.  The straps were attached to brackets/tie downs that were
> > bolted to the floor of the boot.  The spare could not go in the Alpine
> > spare well, since the fuel pump is mounted there on Mk IIs.
>

To all... a nice picture of an original MKII trunk (boot) including the tool
roll etc..

http://www.sunbeamtiger.co.uk/Galleries/Classfieds/B382100605/images/13.JPG

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  4 22:18:36 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 21:18:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <20100605024812.2DCCD187644@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <92551.8506.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Marc- I think the Alpine shells where delivered to Jensen where they where
modified and returned to be completed.Certain parts may have been left off as
there are a few things that Tigers have that Alpines do not- one under the
dash that a TAC official told me was the first place he looked. He did not
tell me which item isn't the same, I might be wrong and the unassembled parts
sent to Jensen and everything put together but that seems more costly as
Rootes had an assembly line and paying Jensen to put the entire car together
makes little sense as the Rootes workers would have more experience welding
the pieces together in the order they had been doing for years as the S2,3,4
and 5 where all pretty well assembled in the same manner- just a few parts
changed but I think assembly was pretty close to repetitive. I think all this
discussion is great as LIST mail is the best but until the car could be TACed
again, all this talk is just that- TALK.
TtT

From rande at thecia.net  Sat Jun  5 04:51:28 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 06:51:28 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
Message-ID: <4c0a2c30.4604.0@thecia.net>

'Am I missing something?  I had thought that the
production Tiger bodies were all made by Jensen,
a totally separate company, before being sent to
Rootes for the final touches such as the power train.  Is this wrong?'

Marc,

The order is backwards. Alpines and Tigers first started out at Pressed Steel,
where the bodies were built. They were able to incorporate some of the Tiger-specific
features there. The Tiger bodies were then shipped to Jensen to be completed.

From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Sat Jun  5 05:37:12 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 07:37:12 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <4c0a2c30.4604.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <C82FAF28.3517%mcdangerous@verizon.net>

The owner acknowledged to me that the trunk floor is indeed missing the
identifying elements, to include the spare wheel and battery tie-down parts.
He said he thinks, but is not sure, that the trunk floor may have been
replaced as a part of rust repairs performed on the car by the previous
owner of the car.  I did not ask him about what other parts of the car had
possible rust repairs.  Incidentally, the car hails from Canada and has been
in the US only two years or so.  Previous to that, it was in Canada for at
least 25 years, according to the owner.


On 6/5/10 6:51 AM, "rande" <rande at thecia.net> wrote:

> 'Am I missing something?  I had thought that the
> production Tiger bodies were all made by Jensen,
> a totally separate company, before being sent to
> Rootes for the final touches such as the power train.  Is this wrong?'
> 
> Marc,
> 
> The order is backwards. Alpines and Tigers first started out at Pressed Steel,
> where the bodies were built. They were able to incorporate some of the
> Tiger-specific
> features there. The Tiger bodies were then shipped to Jensen to be completed.
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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Sat Jun  5 07:29:19 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:29:19 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <4c09bb27.86c3f10a.6f5d.ffff8b54SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
References: <C82E5549.34C0%porsche911E@verizon.net>
	<848B608915FE4C529787AF0CD62A21D5@DavePC>
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Message-ID: <AANLkTimspFTMv1gSmJSXCUfjyoarIuEWfkhWgr2GCRTV@mail.gmail.com>

Take a look under the hood. Do you see the fixtures in the frame just behind
the Tiger's engine mount brackets? Those are for the Alpine engine. Crawl
under and look just behind the engine bell housing at the frame again. Those
square fixtures with the holes drilled in them ( and the slag not ground off
from the cuts...) are Alpine; I think they were the transmission mounts, cut
away to make room for the Ford Toploader transmission.

There are things on the Tiger that're Tiger specific (and the T.A.C. guys
know what they are), but the body assembly started off as an Alpine. I'll
leave it to the folks who know to say when and how it happened; I only know
it happened.

Tom

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Marc James Small
<marcsmall at comcast.net>wrote:

> At 06:53 PM 6/4/2010, Tom Parker wrote:
> > "How can that be if the car is a TACed MkII Tiger?  Is what you
> >are saying that the car is a fraud (Alger)?"
> >
> >They all have it. Tigers are, simply put, Alpines modified at the plant.
> >I've had my Mark 2 since 1976 and just recently discovered the Alpine
> >exhaust hole. But it's been hiding there in plain sight since I bought the
> >car and I've been around and under the car more often than I care to
> admit.
>
> Am I missing something?  I had thought that the production Tiger bodies
> were all made by Jensen, a totally separate company, before being sent to
> Rootes for the final touches such as the power train.  Is this wrong?
>
> Marc
>
>
> msmall at aya.yale.edu
> Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!

From j_d_johnson at earthlink.net  Sat Jun  5 10:03:50 2010
From: j_d_johnson at earthlink.net (J D Johnson)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 09:03:50 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Are This a Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <20100604234316.AFFCD187644@autox.team.net>
References: <20100604234316.AFFCD187644@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <E1OKvqo-000622-AV@elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

It looks like only five MK 2s have won the Lord Rootes trophy.  And, 
only three of those turn up on the list of "TAC'd" cars.  Which one 
are suggesting is a "fake": B382100117, B382100200 or B382100268?

JD

At 04:44 PM 6/4/2010, spook01 at comcast.net wrote:
>Wasn't the fake mk.2 that won the lord rootes trophy tac'd?
>Big oops.

From rande at thecia.net  Sat Jun  5 10:19:44 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 12:19:44 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] the Mk 2 thread
Message-ID: <4c0a7920.613a.0@thecia.net>

Maybe I'm confused. Is all this discussion about a MK 2 based on the Denis Mercier
Facebook pictures showing what looks like a Mark 1 / Mark 1A and is this the
car that some of the doubt is about?

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Sat Jun  5 13:01:27 2010
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 12:01:27 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] the Mk 2 thread
In-Reply-To: <4c0a7920.613a.0@thecia.net>
References: <4c0a7920.613a.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <4C0A9F07.7080603@socal.rr.com>

Rande,

It is all MY fault.  I never knew that the Mk II trunk design was 
changed from prior Tigers.  It went from a bolted plate retainer to a 
"Y"" shaped belt tie-down, just exactly as Jim Sencindiver has described.

The link to my on-line photos was a good picture of the Mk I / Mk IA 
stock design.  Jim set me straight, and The Book of Norman clinched the 
deal with Mk II photographs.   Again, I apologize to Jim.  The lessons 
learned?

   1. Check
   2. Double Check
   3. Do not Argue with a Marine!!!    :-[

BTW: The link to the pages of pictures I posted is:

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=1360287247&aid=23591&l=f21ac448f1&s=0&hash=b02a84e99b8e4135b81aca8e7eaf2a44 
<http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=1360287247&aid=23591&l=f21ac448f1&s=0&hash=b02a84e99b8e4135b81aca8e7eaf2a44>

Even threw in pics of my 2005 T-Bird, the Red Sebring my son and I 
built, and the F-1 engine and rocket assembly too which I contributed to 
the design and development (as long as your there).  Along with the last 
Monterey Historics.

Steve Laifman

Editor

http://TigersUnited.com



rande wrote:
> Maybe I'm confused. Is all this discussion about a MK 2 based on the Denis Mercier
> Facebook pictures showing what looks like a Mark 1 / Mark 1A and is this the
> car that some of the doubt is about?
> _______________________________________________

From denismercier at telvic.net  Sat Jun  5 16:15:37 2010
From: denismercier at telvic.net (denis mercier)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 18:15:37 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] the Mk 2 thread
References: <4c0a7920.613a.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <519893F2AD9F4690AC5992B5740FBFFF@D7F0WHF1>

Rande and All...
There is some difference between the MK1A and MKII  trunk configuration, on 
MK1A the spare tire his hold in place by a bolt screwn on a special nut 
welded
on the trunk, on MKII the spare tire his hold in place by a strap with (foot 
man loop(. On the MKII the fuel pump his on the trunk, hold in place by a 
special
bracket at the Alpine spare tire place. The other things same to be the 
same.
For the MKII for sale on ebay, i would like to see the car ??????? If you 
want some pictures of my MKII trunk just ask me !
                 Thanks !
           Denis Mercier
           B382000926LRXFE
           B382100418LRXFE
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "rande" <rande at thecia.net>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 12:19 PM
Subject: [Tigers] the Mk 2 thread


> Maybe I'm confused. Is all this discussion about a MK 2 based on the Denis 
> Mercier
> Facebook pictures showing what looks like a Mark 1 / Mark 1A and is this 
> the
> car that some of the doubt is about?
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Jun  5 17:34:38 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 19:34:38 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Non-Tiger / Stuck gas pedal can kill ya
Message-ID: <ad5cc.569ed542.393c390e@aol.com>

My son has a 2001 Chevy small pick up. He called and  said while he was 
driving the gas pedal stuck down.  He crammed on the  brakes and was able to 
stop the truck with the motor racing.  He decided to  drive home and after 
cresting a hill he let up on the gas and the engine went  back to idle as 
normal.
I told him to drive to my house and be really careful  and be ready to shut 
of the ignition if it stuck again. He arrived and it was  acting normal.  
Since we're in Vermont I suspected that slush and salt had  gotten into the 
gas pedal where it's hinged. 
I crawled under the dash and it was clean and  operating smoothly. i told 
him to look under the hood and find the end of the  cable and watch it while 
I work the pedal.
I pumped it and he yelled for me to see what he was  seeing. Where the 
cable connected to the throttle body was a brown chunk of  something. It 
apparently had jammed the throttle and then dropped down and out  of the way.  I 
told him that someone had played a joke on him and stuck a  piece of dog poop 
in there to make it smell when it heated up. 
He pulled it out and smelled it. He said  this smells like chocolate.  His 
girl friend who was there said  that it was  a chocolate brownie.  
He said he couldn't figure out our it could have  gotten in there.  The 
hood release is in the cab and he always keeps the  door locked. I told him 
that someone had been in there. He said the only time  the hood had been open 
was  few days before when he had the oil  changed.
The nearest we can figure is that the mechanic had  been munching, set it 
down on the engine and forgotten it. Eventually the  vibration caused it to 
fall down and jam the throttle.
Now that is one weird situation and one that could  have been pretty 
serious.
Mark L

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sat Jun  5 17:38:44 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 09:38:44 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] the Mk 2 thread
In-Reply-To: <519893F2AD9F4690AC5992B5740FBFFF@D7F0WHF1>
References: <4c0a7920.613a.0@thecia.net>
	<519893F2AD9F4690AC5992B5740FBFFF@D7F0WHF1>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimTKyRDhxx9SCfOdSPOzEKCsOnqKZjVaunV1Lsd@mail.gmail.com>

I guess this muist have got lost in the previous thread.. but this is a MKII
boot (trunk)  including the tool roll etc..

http://www.sunbeamtiger.co.uk/Galleries/Classfieds/B382100605/images/13.JPG

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jun  6 12:29:45 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 11:29:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Ebay MkII
Message-ID: <109421.71108.qm@web81508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Looking at the photos, someone boxed in the area behind the front wheel wells
where normally resides sheet metal with stiffening ribs and punched holes. 
Even though it passed through TAC it must have had extensive rust before it
was "restored".  Some have mentioned trunk floor replaced, frame x-member
rebuilt etc.  I wonder how much of the original car is still there?
 
 
                                                       Jeff

From sganz at pacbell.net  Sun Jun  6 15:06:27 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:06:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s)
Message-ID: <363402.68056.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I just got an adapter from EPay that was supposed to fit a Tiger and a Nardi
steering wheel. I figured I could get some use of a the nice old wood wheel I
had in the garage. Well the old LeCarrera wheel seems to fit on the top most
spline (as does the old Grant adapter), and after looking at the adapter,
looks like this needs the horn contact to be removed, looked logical, but
seems the spline diameter for the bottom (larger) spline is something like .75
and the id of the adapter is .70 at the deepest points. Seems like .050 off is
not right. 

Anyone know the specs of the bottom spline or tried one of the
adapters, it was from a place called Crowders Customizing?
 
Sandy

From porsche911E at verizon.net  Sun Jun  6 19:27:38 2010
From: porsche911E at verizon.net (Would U. Believe)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 21:27:38 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s)
In-Reply-To: <363402.68056.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C831C34A.3552%porsche911E@verizon.net>

I am not sure I understand what you are referring to with the word "spline"
when you say "spline diameter" and "bottom spline".  Would you please
clarify?  BTW, Crowder's is definitely a reputable company.  Thanks.


On 6/6/10 5:06 PM, "Sandy Ganz" <sganz at pacbell.net> wrote:

> I just got an adapter from EPay that was supposed to fit a Tiger and a Nardi
> steering wheel. I figured I could get some use of a the nice old wood wheel I
> had in the garage. Well the old LeCarrera wheel seems to fit on the top most
> spline (as does the old Grant adapter), and after looking at the adapter,
> looks like this needs the horn contact to be removed, looked logical, but
> seems the spline diameter for the bottom (larger) spline is something like .75
> and the id of the adapter is .70 at the deepest points. Seems like .050 off is
> not right. 
> 
> Anyone know the specs of the bottom spline or tried one of the
> adapters, it was from a place called Crowders Customizing?
>  
> Sandy
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From sganz at pacbell.net  Sun Jun  6 19:44:10 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 18:44:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s)
In-Reply-To: <C831C34A.3552%porsche911E@verizon.net>
References: <C831C34A.3552%porsche911E@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <720197.45446.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

WUB -

If you look at the steering shaft from the top with the wheel and
adapter off, (on mine anyways) exist 2 splines one closer to the top, and one
below it, each is a different size. The top spline is smaller, then the one
under it is a larger diameter. The current adapter and the grant adapter
attatch to the TOP and Smaller spline not the one below it.

What I'm talking
about in the 'spline diameter' is really the diameter of the shaft at the
spline measured with a caliper, so really the outside diameter of the spline.
Did that make sense?  

Sandy



----- Original Message ----
From: Would U.
Believe <porsche911E at verizon.net>
To: Sandy Ganz <sganz at pacbell.net>;
tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, June 6, 2010 6:27:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers]
Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s)

I am not sure I understand what you are
referring to with the word "spline"
when you say "spline diameter" and "bottom
spline".  Would you please
clarify?  BTW, Crowder's is definitely a reputable
company.  Thanks.


On 6/6/10 5:06 PM, "Sandy Ganz" <sganz at pacbell.net> wrote:
> I just got an adapter from EPay that was supposed to fit a Tiger and a Nardi
> steering wheel. I figured I could get some use of a the nice old wood wheel
I
> had in the garage. Well the old LeCarrera wheel seems to fit on the top
most
> spline (as does the old Grant adapter), and after looking at the
adapter,
> looks like this needs the horn contact to be removed, looked
logical, but
> seems the spline diameter for the bottom (larger) spline is
something like .75
> and the id of the adapter is .70 at the deepest points.
Seems like .050 off is
> not right. 
> 
> Anyone know the specs of the bottom
spline or tried one of the
> adapters, it was from a place called Crowders
Customizing?
>  
> Sandy
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From porsche911E at verizon.net  Sun Jun  6 20:03:25 2010
From: porsche911E at verizon.net (Would U. Believe)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 22:03:25 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s)
In-Reply-To: <720197.45446.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C831CBAD.3556%porsche911E@verizon.net>

OK.  I think I understand your question.  In fact the hub's bore, where it
slides onto the splines of the steering column, is slightly conical.  The
diameter of the hub's bore is 18 mm at the entrance and 15 mm at exit.  It
has 36 splines.

I hope this helps you.


On 6/6/10 9:44 PM, "Sandy Ganz" <sganz at pacbell.net> wrote:

> WUB -
>
> If you look at the steering shaft from the top with the wheel and adapter
off,
> (on mine anyways) exist 2 splines one closer to the top, and one below it,
> each is a different size. The top spline is smaller, then the one under it
is
> a larger diameter. The current adapter and the grant adapter attatch to the
> TOP and Smaller spline not the one below it.
>
> What I'm talking about in the 'spline diameter' is really the diameter of
the
> shaft at the spline measured with a caliper, so really the outside diameter
of
> the spline.
>
> Did that make sense? 
>
> Sandy
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Would U. Believe <porsche911E at verizon.net>
> To: Sandy Ganz <sganz at pacbell.net>; tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sun, June 6, 2010 6:27:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s)
>
> I am not sure I understand what you are referring to with the word "spline"
> when you say "spline diameter" and "bottom spline".  Would you please
> clarify?  BTW, Crowder's is definitely a reputable company.  Thanks.
>
>
> On 6/6/10 5:06 PM, "Sandy Ganz" <sganz at pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>> I just got an adapter from EPay that was supposed to fit a Tiger and a
Nardi
>> steering wheel. I figured I could get some use of a the nice old wood wheel
I
>> had in the garage. Well the old LeCarrera wheel seems to fit on the top
most
>> spline (as does the old Grant adapter), and after looking at the adapter,
>> looks like this needs the horn contact to be removed, looked logical, but
>> seems the spline diameter for the bottom (larger) spline is something like
>> .75
>> and the id of the adapter is .70 at the deepest points. Seems like .050
off
>> is
>> not right.
>>
>> Anyone know the specs of the bottom spline or tried one of the
>> adapters, it was from a place called Crowders Customizing?
>>  
>> Sandy
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From sganz at pacbell.net  Sun Jun  6 22:56:05 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:56:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s)
In-Reply-To: <C831CBAD.3556%porsche911E@verizon.net>
References: <C831CBAD.3556%porsche911E@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <583921.41919.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm going to have to yank it apart again, I think it had 2 distinct sections
of splines, stepped if you will. The Grant Adapter and the Motolita adapter
only slide on the first (top) spline set. It may be tapered but seemed more
like a step to the second sized spline. 

18mm = .709in which seems right for
the hub which measures .711in inside diameter but I'm pretty sure the OD of
the splines on the larger (lower) is looking like .75"

Are alpine steering
shafts the same? 

The car was in a fron ender at some point and that shaft
could have been swapped out or something, but something doesn't seem right.
Thanks for the info, going to have to open it up and look at it, will get a
picture this time!

Sandy


----- Original Message ----
From: Would U. Believe
<porsche911E at verizon.net>
To: Sandy Ganz <sganz at pacbell.net>;
tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, June 6, 2010 7:03:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers]
Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s)

OK.  I think I understand your question.  In
fact the hub's bore, where it
slides onto the splines of the steering column,
is slightly conical.  The
diameter of the hub's bore is 18 mm at the entrance
and 15 mm at exit.  It
has 36 splines.

I hope this helps you.


On 6/6/10
9:44 PM, "Sandy Ganz" <sganz at pacbell.net> wrote:

> WUB -
> 
> If you look at
the steering shaft from the top with the wheel and adapter off,
> (on mine
anyways) exist 2 splines one closer to the top, and one below it,
> each is a
different size. The top spline is smaller, then the one under it is
> a larger
diameter. The current adapter and the grant adapter attatch to the
> TOP and
Smaller spline not the one below it.
> 
> What I'm talking about in the
'spline diameter' is really the diameter of the
> shaft at the spline measured
with a caliper, so really the outside diameter of
> the spline. 
> 
> Did that
make sense? 
> 
> Sandy
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Would
U. Believe <porsche911E at verizon.net>
> To: Sandy Ganz <sganz at pacbell.net>;
tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sun, June 6, 2010 6:27:38 PM
> Subject: Re:
[Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s)
> 
> I am not sure I understand what
you are referring to with the word "spline"
> when you say "spline diameter"
and "bottom spline".  Would you please
> clarify?  BTW, Crowder's is
definitely a reputable company.  Thanks.
> 
> 
> On 6/6/10 5:06 PM, "Sandy
Ganz" <sganz at pacbell.net> wrote:
> 
>> I just got an adapter from EPay that
was supposed to fit a Tiger and a Nardi
>> steering wheel. I figured I could
get some use of a the nice old wood wheel I
>> had in the garage. Well the old
LeCarrera wheel seems to fit on the top most
>> spline (as does the old Grant
adapter), and after looking at the adapter,
>> looks like this needs the horn
contact to be removed, looked logical, but
>> seems the spline diameter for
the bottom (larger) spline is something like
>> .75
>> and the id of the
adapter is .70 at the deepest points. Seems like .050 off
>> is
>> not right.
>> 
>> Anyone know the specs of the bottom spline or tried one of the
>>
adapters, it was from a place called Crowders Customizing?
>>   
>> Sandy
>>
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Jun  7 07:40:17 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 08:40:17 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s)
In-Reply-To: <583921.41919.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <C831CBAD.3556%porsche911E@verizon.net>
	<583921.41919.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06843CC32C24@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

Are you guys talking about the splined section that allows the steering wheel
to be telescoped about 2 inches? The steering wheel hub does not engage that
part...
http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmJ4.asp

Check the picture.
Cheers,
Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz
> Sent: June 6, 2010 10:56 PM
> To: Would U. Believe; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s)
>
> I'm going to have to yank it apart again, I think it had 2 distinct
> sections
> of splines, stepped if you will. The Grant Adapter and the Motolita
> adapter
> only slide on the first (top) spline set. It may be tapered but seemed
> more
> like a step to the second sized spline.
>
> 18mm = .709in which seems right for
> the hub which measures .711in inside diameter but I'm pretty sure the
> OD of
> the splines on the larger (lower) is looking like .75"
>
> Are alpine steering
> shafts the same?
>
> The car was in a fron ender at some point and that shaft
> could have been swapped out or something, but something doesn't seem
> right.
> Thanks for the info, going to have to open it up and look at it, will
> get a
> picture this time!
>
> Sandy


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From Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com  Mon Jun  7 08:17:34 2010
From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com (Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:17:34 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] NAPA rad hoses
In-Reply-To: <mailman.27.1275847203.5586.tigers@autox.team.net>
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As requested:

NAPA #'s:
Upper 7459
Lower  7746
These are not made for Tiger and both have to be cut on both ends  as I 
remember.  I'm sure there are others, but these worked  fine.

From sganz at pacbell.net  Mon Jun  7 08:27:03 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 07:27:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s)
In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06843CC32C24@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
References: <C831CBAD.3556%porsche911E@verizon.net>
	<583921.41919.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06843CC32C24@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <735753.91069.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

That is the picture I was looking for! 

Yes, that's what I'm talking about,
seems that I do have the wrong adapter, as the one I got just slides right
over the top as the splines on the correct place to attache the wheel looks
like about .625" from measuring on the inside of the GRANT adapter which fit
the spline perfect just like the Motolita wheel adapter. The measure on
the hub I got was around .690" which now really looks wrong. Already had a
call from Crowders so at least they are following up.

And huge thanks Theo
for the picture link! 

Back on the phone and to see what they can do,
hopefully they have a way to measure the next one they shop out. And they have
no part number or stampings on the part they sent which is also a mystery...
Sandy



----- Original Message ----
From: "Smit, Theo"
<Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
To: Sandy Ganz <sganz at pacbell.net>; Would U.
Believe <porsche911E at verizon.net>; "tigers at autox.team.net"
<tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 6:40:17 AM
Subject: RE:
[Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s)

Are you guys talking about the
splined section that allows the steering wheel to be telescoped about 2
inches? The steering wheel hub does not engage that part...
http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmJ4.asp

Check the picture.
Cheers,
Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From:
tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Sandy Ganz
> Sent: June 6, 2010 10:56 PM
> To: Would U. Believe;
tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s)
>
> I'm going to have to yank it apart again, I think it had 2 distinct
>
sections
> of splines, stepped if you will. The Grant Adapter and the Motolita
> adapter
> only slide on the first (top) spline set. It may be tapered but
seemed
> more
> like a step to the second sized spline.
>
> 18mm = .709in
which seems right for
> the hub which measures .711in inside diameter but I'm
pretty sure the
> OD of
> the splines on the larger (lower) is looking like
.75"
>
> Are alpine steering
> shafts the same?
>
> The car was in a fron
ender at some point and that shaft
> could have been swapped out or something,
but something doesn't seem
> right.
> Thanks for the info, going to have to
open it up and look at it, will
> get a
> picture this time!
>
> Sandy
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From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Mon Jun  7 08:39:50 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (mcdangerous at verizon.net)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 09:39:50 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s)
Message-ID: <564602161.4709697.1275921590651.JavaMail.root@vms170009.mailsrvcs.net>

I don't know about anyone else.   I know I'm only talking about the splines of the hub where they mate to the steering column.  


Jun 7, 2010 09:08:56 AM, Theo.Smit at dynastream.com wrote:

Are you guys talking about the splined section that allows the steering wheel
to be telescoped about 2 inches? The steering wheel hub does not engage that
part...
http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmJ4.asp

Check the picture.
Cheers,
Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz
> Sent: June 6, 2010 10:56 PM
> To: Would U. Believe; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s)
>
> I'm going to have to yank it apart again, I think it had 2 distinct
> sections
> of splines, stepped if you will. The Grant Adapter and the Motolita
> adapter
> only slide on the first (top) spline set. It may be tapered but seemed
> more
> like a step to the second sized spline.
>
> 18mm = .709in which seems right for
> the hub which measures .711in inside diameter but I'm pretty sure the
> OD of
> the splines on the larger (lower) is looking like .75"
>
> Are alpine steering
> shafts the same?
>
> The car was in a fron ender at some point and that shaft
> could have been swapped out or something, but something doesn't seem
> right.
> Thanks for the info, going to have to open it up and look at it, will
> get a
> picture this time!
>
> Sandy


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From rootes1 at earthlink.net  Mon Jun  7 11:40:41 2010
From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 10:40:41 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] MYSTERY TIGER AT CARLISLE SHOW
Message-ID: <E1OLgKT-0001rg-GW@elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Anybody know this car?
http://e6xlfw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pneuYsSgZxp8qp5x2-UiT4UIEtJZBMDg3-_AX4no-gTosAGRF-cR4i7SQnYi6DwjOAw9JZrndhfUTEQu1PNh4-sbMORY8rQ4B/P6050216.jpg

Norm

From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Mon Jun  7 13:15:16 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (mcdangerous at verizon.net)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 14:15:16 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Tigers] MYSTERY TIGER AT CARLISLE SHOW
Message-ID: <174779490.687104.1275938116955.JavaMail.root@vms231.mailsrvcs.net>

I don't know the car, but it has a Maryland license plate on it, if that helps narrow it down a bit.  

Jun 7, 2010 01:11:36 PM, rootes1 at earthlink.net wrote:

Anybody know this car?
http://e6xlfw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pneuYsSgZxp8qp5x2-UiT4UIEtJZBMDg3-_AX4no-gTosAGRF-cR4i7SQnYi6DwjOAw9JZrndhfUTEQu1PNh4-sbMORY8rQ4B/P6050216.jpg

Norm
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From wseay at embarqmail.com  Mon Jun  7 14:33:48 2010
From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:33:48 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] MYSTERY TIGER AT CARLISLE SHOW
References: <174779490.687104.1275938116955.JavaMail.root@vms231.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <CD172C38701846F0ADE55EA3EC81FD65@xpseay>

MK1A with Maryland plates might be Clyde Mclaughlin's car.  Clyde is a 
lister so we should hear from him either way.


Will Seay - B382001570
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To: <rootes1 at earthlink.net>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] MYSTERY TIGER AT CARLISLE SHOW


>I don't know the car, but it has a Maryland license plate on it, if that 
>helps narrow it down a bit.
>
> Jun 7, 2010 01:11:36 PM, rootes1 at earthlink.net wrote:
>
> Anybody know this car?
> http://e6xlfw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pneuYsSgZxp8qp5x2-UiT4UIEtJZBMDg3-_AX4no-gTosAGRF-cR4i7SQnYi6DwjOAw9JZrndhfUTEQu1PNh4-sbMORY8rQ4B/P6050216.jpg
>
> Norm

From spook01 at comcast.net  Mon Jun  7 15:46:15 2010
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 16:46:15 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Lord_rooted_=22winner=22?=
Message-ID: <20100607214505.716D2187649@autox.team.net>

Hi all,
I recall a mk.2 that won the lord rootes trophy and was later found to be a conversion.
What ever happened to that car?


Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
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Date: Mon, Jun 7, 2010 15:33
Subject: [Tigers] MYSTERY TIGER AT CARLISLE SHOW
To: <mcdangerous at verizon.net>, <rootes1 at earthlink.net>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>


MK1A with Maryland plates might be Clyde Mclaughlin's car.  Clyde is a lister so we should hear from him either way.


Will Seay - B382001570
____________________
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Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] MYSTERY TIGER AT CARLISLE SHOW


>I don't know the car, but it has a Maryland license plate on it, if that >helps narrow it down a bit.
>
> Jun 7, 2010 01:11:36 PM, rootes1 at earthlink.net wrote:
>
> Anybody know this car?
> http://e6xlfw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pneuYsSgZxp8qp5x2-UiT4UIEtJZBMDg3-_AX4no-gTosAGRF-cR4i7SQnYi6DwjOAw9JZrndhfUTEQu1PNh4-sbMORY8rQ4B/P6050216.jpg
>
> Norm
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  7 15:47:06 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:47:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s)
In-Reply-To: <735753.91069.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <852373.29862.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

THANKS Theo, I saved the exlpoded view as well
TtT

--- On Mon, 6/7/10, Sandy Ganz <sganz at pacbell.net> wrote:


From: Sandy Ganz <sganz at pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s)
To: "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>, "Would U. Believe" <porsche911E at verizon.net>, "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 9:27 AM


That is the picture I was looking for! 

Yes, that's what I'm talking about,
seems that I do have the wrong adapter, as the one I got just slides right
over the top as the splines on the correct place to attache the wheel looks
like about .625" from measuring on the inside of the GRANT adapter which fit
the spline perfect just like the Motolita wheel adapter. The measure on
the hub I got was around .690" which now really looks wrong. Already had a
call from Crowders so at least they are following up.

And huge thanks Theo
for the picture link! 

Back on the phone and to see what they can do,
hopefully they have a way to measure the next one they shop out. And they have
no part number or stampings on the part they sent which is also a mystery...
Sandy



----- Original Message ----
From: "Smit, Theo"
<Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
To: Sandy Ganz <sganz at pacbell.net>; Would U.
Believe <porsche911E at verizon.net>; "tigers at autox.team.net"
<tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, June 7, 2010 6:40:17 AM
Subject: RE:
[Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s)

Are you guys talking about the
splined section that allows the steering wheel to be telescoped about 2
inches? The steering wheel hub does not engage that part...
http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmJ4.asp

Check the picture.
Cheers,
Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From:
tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Sandy Ganz
> Sent: June 6, 2010 10:56 PM
> To: Would U. Believe;
tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Wheel Spline(s)
>
> I'm going to have to yank it apart again, I think it had 2 distinct
>
sections
> of splines, stepped if you will. The Grant Adapter and the Motolita
> adapter
> only slide on the first (top) spline set. It may be tapered but
seemed
> more
> like a step to the second sized spline.
>
> 18mm = .709in
which seems right for
> the hub which measures .711in inside diameter but I'm
pretty sure the
> OD of
> the splines on the larger (lower) is looking like
.75"
>
> Are alpine steering
> shafts the same?
>
> The car was in a fron
ender at some point and that shaft
> could have been swapped out or something,
but something doesn't seem
> right.
> Thanks for the info, going to have to
open it up and look at it, will
> get a
> picture this time!
>
> Sandy
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From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  7 18:03:50 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 17:03:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] MYSTERY TIGER AT CARLISLE SHOW
In-Reply-To: <CD172C38701846F0ADE55EA3EC81FD65@xpseay>
Message-ID: <316476.92617.qm@web111613.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

If the plate says  WJS  its the late Wally Swifts MK IA

--- On Mon, 6/7/10, Will Seay <wseay at embarqmail.com> wrote:


From: Will Seay <wseay at embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] MYSTERY TIGER AT CARLISLE SHOW
To: mcdangerous at verizon.net, rootes1 at earthlink.net
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 8:33 PM


MK1A with Maryland plates might be Clyde Mclaughlin's car.  Clyde is a
lister so we should hear from him either way.


Will Seay - B382001570
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----- Original Message -----
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To: <rootes1 at earthlink.net>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] MYSTERY TIGER AT CARLISLE SHOW


>I don't know the car, but it has a Maryland license plate on it, if that
>helps narrow it down a bit.
>
> Jun 7, 2010 01:11:36 PM, rootes1 at earthlink.net wrote:
>
> Anybody know this car?
>
http://e6xlfw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pneuYsSgZxp8qp5x2-UiT4UIEtJZBMDg3-_AX4n
o-gTosAGRF-cR4i7SQnYi6DwjOAw9JZrndhfUTEQu1PNh4-sbMORY8rQ4B/P6050216.jpg
>
> Norm
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Tue Jun  8 12:23:55 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 11:23:55 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds
References: <C82AEC7E.340A%porsche911E@verizon.net>
	<4C066462.60009@verizon.net>
	<D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A03E4BCF7@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <629C4F936BFF428E829AED186562C558@student2>

A bit late to reading this but I found an interesting article over on the 
Mopar side of my life.  They took a mildly prepared 360 and tried every 
manifold/header possible that would fit the heads.  The bottom line was that 
$800 TTI headers added 10 HP over lowly 318 stock manifolds with 24" of open 
pipe ( to 5,100 RPM test ). The lauded "340" manifolds (much like HiPo 289 
manifolds) added only 4 HP. So, at least for the SB Mopar headers seem like 
a lot of cost for very little gain.

The SB Fords are said to have a bad exhaust port design (size). So, I'm not 
sure whether headers would help, or become even less relevant. The Tiger is 
somewhat of an exception because it came with dual exhaust.  But a lot of 
people who say headers "woke up" their car typically had a single exhaust to 
start.  So, sure going to headers AND dual exhaust will make a difference. 
I'm not down on headers, it just comes down to need, cost and added possible 
troubles (leaks, dents, clearance etc.). Remember too that "Bigger is not 
always better." Nor is there a desire to "have back pressure."  What you 
want is velocity. The exhaust piping size should be matched to a desired RPM 
range.

Which brings me to the concept of variable exhaust.  Just like there are 
multi valve engines that allow for good intake velocity and the ability to 
meet an added demand I'm surprised there aren't designs that follow a 
similar concept on the exhaust side.  I'm thinking of a smaller primary 
exhaust pipe with a sprung flap that vents to a larger pipe secondary pipe 
on demand.  Anyway, just thinking out loud.
Tom 

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  8 13:11:40 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 12:11:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds
In-Reply-To: <629C4F936BFF428E829AED186562C558@student2>
Message-ID: <4157.73847.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tom
It makes sense and out of 3 sets I just sold my best set- after reading your
out loud thinking, perhaps I should have sold the second best as I have at
least two more Tigers to complete and I could have done a check the first time
I had to remove the headers or stock exhaust- kind of my own dyno by driving
test.At least you saved the buyer some $$$ as I might have read your
"thoughts"- which make sense and ask more for the stock exhaust manifolds;.
EVERYONE on the LIST, Have a nice day and remember to tell your family you
care( Love is a good word to use) them,especially the younger ones.
TonytheTiger

--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net> wrote:


From: Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 1:23 PM


A bit late to reading this but I found an interesting article over on the
Mopar side of my life.  They took a mildly prepared 360 and tried every
manifold/header possible that would fit the heads.  The bottom line was that
$800 TTI headers added 10 HP over lowly 318 stock manifolds with 24" of open
pipe ( to 5,100 RPM test ). The lauded "340" manifolds (much like HiPo 289
manifolds) added only 4 HP. So, at least for the SB Mopar headers seem like a
lot of cost for very little gain.

The SB Fords are said to have a bad exhaust port design (size). So, I'm not
sure whether headers would help, or become even less relevant. The Tiger is
somewhat of an exception because it came with dual exhaust.  But a lot of
people who say headers "woke up" their car typically had a single exhaust to
start.  So, sure going to headers AND dual exhaust will make a difference. I'm
not down on headers, it just comes down to need, cost and added possible
troubles (leaks, dents, clearance etc.). Remember too that "Bigger is not
always better." Nor is there a desire to "have back pressure."  What you want
is velocity. The exhaust piping size should be matched to a desired RPM
range.

Which brings me to the concept of variable exhaust.  Just like there are multi
valve engines that allow for good intake velocity and the ability to meet an
added demand I'm surprised there aren't designs that follow a similar concept
on the exhaust side.  I'm thinking of a smaller primary exhaust pipe with a
sprung flap that vents to a larger pipe secondary pipe on demand.  Anyway,
just thinking out loud.
Tom _______________________________________________
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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  8 13:23:39 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:23:39 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds
In-Reply-To: <629C4F936BFF428E829AED186562C558@student2>
References: <C82AEC7E.340A%porsche911E@verizon.net>
	<4C066462.60009@verizon.net>
	<D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A03E4BCF7@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<629C4F936BFF428E829AED186562C558@student2>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiktTiZFvErxsEBDz9La98Stv0CGnU-rYdAF7qGK@mail.gmail.com>

I can't say whether Rick's headers will improve the 289's performance by
themselves, and I'll never know, mainly because the stock Ford heads are
sitting in a box next to the stock Ford exhaust manifolds and the stock
2-barrel Ford intake manifold. They'll go with the car if I ever sell it. In
their places are Edelbrock E-Street heads and a performer manifold. The
heads have much improved intake and exhaust valves and runners, and they
cost about what a conversion to unleaded fuel exhaust valves / valve job
would have cost... less than a grand. I've read the  intake manifold isn't
any better than the F-4B manifold that came with the LAT option, but I'm
comfortable it flows better than the stock Ford cast-iron 4-barrel manifold,
and it's a hellova lot lighter. Add to that a mild Edelbrock cam and I
expect it'll put some fire under this old man's bottom. Maybe not "all it
could be", but better than it was.

I suspect it'd be hard to say whether a set of headers would improve the
car's performance because I suspect that most guys, like me, wouldn't add
them alone.

What I may do is weigh the car. It'd be interesting to know what the weight
distribution is with my LAT hood and all that cast iron gone.

BTW, a 340 with a six-pack was a great little engine in its day, as good or
better than anything GM had to offer in their "stock" 327s. The 360 wasn't
too bad either.

Tom

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net> wrote:

> A bit late to reading this but I found an interesting article over on the
> Mopar side of my life.  They took a mildly prepared 360 and tried every
> manifold/header possible that would fit the heads.  The bottom line was that
> $800 TTI headers added 10 HP over lowly 318 stock manifolds with 24" of open
> pipe ( to 5,100 RPM test ). The lauded "340" manifolds (much like HiPo 289
> manifolds) added only 4 HP. So, at least for the SB Mopar headers seem like
> a lot of cost for very little gain.
>
> The SB Fords are said to have a bad exhaust port design (size). So, I'm not
> sure whether headers would help, or become even less relevant. The Tiger is
> somewhat of an exception because it came with dual exhaust.  But a lot of
> people who say headers "woke up" their car typically had a single exhaust to
> start.  So, sure going to headers AND dual exhaust will make a difference.
> I'm not down on headers, it just comes down to need, cost and added possible
> troubles (leaks, dents, clearance etc.). Remember too that "Bigger is not
> always better." Nor is there a desire to "have back pressure."  What you
> want is velocity. The exhaust piping size should be matched to a desired RPM
> range.
>
> Which brings me to the concept of variable exhaust.  Just like there are
> multi valve engines that allow for good intake velocity and the ability to
> meet an added demand I'm surprised there aren't designs that follow a
> similar concept on the exhaust side.  I'm thinking of a smaller primary
> exhaust pipe with a sprung flap that vents to a larger pipe secondary pipe
> on demand.  Anyway, just thinking out loud.
> Tom _______________________________________________
>
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From mark.rense at ge.com  Tue Jun  8 14:02:25 2010
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd))
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:02:25 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds
In-Reply-To: <629C4F936BFF428E829AED186562C558@student2>
References: <C82AEC7E.340A%porsche911E@verizon.net><4C066462.60009@verizon.net><D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A03E4BCF7@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<629C4F936BFF428E829AED186562C558@student2>
Message-ID: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A03F5F744@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Tom,
Variable tuned exhaust has been used for years on high-performance
motorcycles. Yamaha pioneered it with their EXUP system, now Honda and
Kawasaki use it and BMW's new S1000 sportbike uses it (191 HP at the
rear wheel, 440 lbs. wet). Furthermore, several of these bikes also
employ variable intake tracts, with servos lengthening or shortening the
velocity stacks inside the airbox depending on engine speed and load.
Add variable valve timing, three-dimensional fuel and ignition mapping
and these engines make 200HP per liter yet are docile around town. Ain't
high tech cool?

Bugz

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Witt
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 2:24 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds

Which brings me to the concept of variable exhaust.  Just like there are
multi valve engines that allow for good intake velocity and the ability
to meet an added demand I'm surprised there aren't designs that follow a
similar concept on the exhaust side.  I'm thinking of a smaller primary
exhaust pipe with a sprung flap that vents to a larger pipe secondary
pipe on demand.  Anyway, just thinking out loud.
Tom

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Jun  8 17:12:19 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 09:12:19 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds
In-Reply-To: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A03F5F744@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <C82AEC7E.340A%porsche911E@verizon.net>
	<4C066462.60009@verizon.net>
	<D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A03E4BCF7@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<629C4F936BFF428E829AED186562C558@student2>
	<D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A03F5F744@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikyU8DPVmbVuOhD1yeC3L69qvjW8VJ5N0L-WAT0@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,

Variable inlets were used on the 90's M3 BMW's and in F1 until it got banned
they had variable inlets and exhausts.. lots of modern cars have butterfly
valves in the mufflers these days to let them be quiet down low and loud
when you step on it.. but in theory it sort of does the same thing..
increases flow at higher rpm when the engine breathes harder.

On 9 June 2010 06:02, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) <mark.rense at ge.com>wrote:

> Tom,
> Variable tuned exhaust has been used for years on high-performance
> motorcycles. Yamaha pioneered it with their EXUP system, now Honda and
> Kawasaki use it and BMW's new S1000 sportbike uses it (191 HP at the
> rear wheel, 440 lbs. wet). Furthermore, several of these bikes also
> employ variable intake tracts, with servos lengthening or shortening the
> velocity stacks inside the airbox depending on engine speed and load.
> Add variable valve timing, three-dimensional fuel and ignition mapping
> and these engines make 200HP per liter yet are docile around town. Ain't
> high tech cool?
>
> Bugz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Witt
> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 2:24 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds
>
>  Which brings me to the concept of variable exhaust.  Just like there are
> multi valve engines that allow for good intake velocity and the ability
> to meet an added demand I'm surprised there aren't designs that follow a
> similar concept on the exhaust side.  I'm thinking of a smaller primary
> exhaust pipe with a sprung flap that vents to a larger pipe secondary
> pipe on demand.  Anyway, just thinking out loud.
> Tom
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-- 
Regards

Michael King

From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Wed Jun  9 04:48:22 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 06:48:22 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Shifter Installation (and engine R&R to-do list)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikyU8DPVmbVuOhD1yeC3L69qvjW8VJ5N0L-WAT0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C834E9B6.35BE%mcdangerous@verizon.net>

Hi all.  I should probably spend more time under my Tiger...  I am wondering
if it's possible to install a shifter onto a Toploader while installed in
the car.  I've delayed the installation of my engine and transmission due to
a little hiccup with my Hurst shifter.  I have the original shifter on right
now and am wondering if I can go ahead and install it, then change it out
down the road. Does anyone know offhand?

I know someone sent this in a previous email, which I can't locate, but I'm
looking for the lists of things that must be disconnected or removed in
order to remove the engine from the bottom (and the top).

Thanks a lot!  

From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Wed Jun  9 04:53:28 2010
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 06:53:28 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] mystry tiger
Message-ID: <003101cb07c1$fe814b80$0201a8c0@chesapeake4>

It's not mine,  I was not at Carlyle,  Clyde in MD...my tag is "86 and 99"

From mark.rense at ge.com  Wed Jun  9 11:47:10 2010
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd))
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:47:10 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] A New Convenience for Your Tiger?
Message-ID: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A03FD9908@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>

I found this great automotive item on Amazon and just had to share.

I dare you to try to drink a soda while reading the reviews. I
double-dog dare you!

:>)

http://www.amazon.com/Mobile-Office-WM-01-Laptop-Steering/dp/B000IZGIA8/
ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  9 12:06:02 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:06:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] MYSTERY TIGER AT CARLISLE SHOW
In-Reply-To: <E1OLgKT-0001rg-GW@elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <887343.82971.qm@web111612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Its not Uncle Wally's
 
His MKIA had MKII wheel well moldings.  He liked it that way.
Dave

--- On Mon, 6/7/10, Norman C. Miller <rootes1 at earthlink.net> wrote:


From: Norman C. Miller <rootes1 at earthlink.net>
Subject: [Tigers] MYSTERY TIGER AT CARLISLE SHOW
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 5:40 PM


Anybody know this car?
http://e6xlfw.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pneuYsSgZxp8qp5x2-UiT4UIEtJZBMDg3-_AX4n
o-gTosAGRF-cR4i7SQnYi6DwjOAw9JZrndhfUTEQu1PNh4-sbMORY8rQ4B/P6050216.jpg

Norm
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Jun  9 12:34:58 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:34:58 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] A New Convenience for Your Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A03FD9908@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A03FD9908@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <4C0FDED2.7080003@mayfco.com>

Now, dang! That is just plan too good to be true!  I may need to get a 
gross to use when I drive the sunbeam on the salt. I can put the netbook 
right under my nose and watch all the data streaming in. Wow! Instant 
playforward. Realtime data!   I'll know how the engine is performing 
before it knows! All becaus eof this litle device to put the net book 
on... I say again...WOW!

mayf
Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) wrote:

>I found this great automotive item on Amazon and just had to share.
>
>I dare you to try to drink a soda while reading the reviews. I
>double-dog dare you!
>
>:>)
>
>http://www.amazon.com/Mobile-Office-WM-01-Laptop-Steering/dp/B000IZGIA8/
>ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
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From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  9 12:49:35 2010
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:49:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds
Message-ID: <631526.60469.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Who makes and sells the best headers for the MK 1A tigers?  I see many
'coated' but what are they coated with?  What color should they be?

Thanks
Joel

From stubrennan at comcast.net  Wed Jun  9 16:26:15 2010
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 18:26:15 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Shifter Installation (and engine R&R to-do list)
In-Reply-To: <C834E9B6.35BE%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <000001cb0822$c93eafb0$6501a8c0@Brennan>

The answer is yes, I've had my stock shifter in and out a couple times.
Many, myself included, had problems getting the stock shifter out once
it is detached from the side of the transmission.  The technique I used
was to disassemble the thing in place, don't try to get it out in one
piece.

Stu

From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Wed Jun  9 16:30:30 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 18:30:30 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger
In-Reply-To: <000001cb0822$c93eafb0$6501a8c0@Brennan>
Message-ID: <C8358E46.35E3%mcdangerous@verizon.net>

Hi everyone.  So, I've been thinking...  What's the best distributor for the
Tiger?  Thanks in advance!

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Wed Jun  9 17:07:11 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 18:07:11 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger
In-Reply-To: <C8358E46.35E3%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
References: <000001cb0822$c93eafb0$6501a8c0@Brennan>
	<C8358E46.35E3%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06843CCD0BDF@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

That depends on your application.
- Are you going for stock appearance?
- What is the RPM range that you're expecting to use?
- Are you using a high-energy coil driver or using large plug gaps?
- Do you want vacuum advance? Mechanical advance? Boost retard?
- Do you want adjustable mechanical advance stops?
- Are you putting this in a roller-cam block? Will you need a steel,
composite, bronze or cast-iron distributor gear?

The "best" from a performance perspective, is to ditch the distributor and
wires altogether, and use a crank trigger unit like the ford EDIS system, and
coil-near-plug drivers that you could adapt from modular motor (4.6L) or some
import applications. This may require more invention on your part than what
you're ready to put in.
Next would be a crank-trigger unit that has siamesed coils and triggers the
plugs in pairs. This requires special plugs on one bank, if you want to have
low-maintenance operation.
After that, go to a high quality distributor: Billet body, ball bearings,
adjustable advance curve, with vacuum for good highway mileage.
Next after that is to use a Ford distributor body and make sure it's rebuilt
to better-than-new specs. You can do this with a stock distributor, provided
you can find the rebuild parts for it.

In any event, ditch the points and use a quality electronic triggering method,
along with known-good coil, plugs and wires. This, and making sure the shaft
is straight (and that the rotor and cap fit properly) are the key basics to a
reliable ignition system.

Theo


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From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Wed Jun  9 17:17:59 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 19:17:59 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger
In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06843CCD0BDF@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
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(no rollers) Hi.  I want stock appearance and the engine is a mild cammed
289.  I don't expect to race this car and I don't expect to exceed 6000 RPM.
I think the stock distributor had a vacuum advance, but I don't know for
sure.  What do you think?


On 6/9/10 7:07 PM, "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:

> That depends on your application.
> - Are you going for stock appearance?
> - What is the RPM range that you're expecting to use?
> - Are you using a high-energy coil driver or using large plug gaps?
> - Do you want vacuum advance? Mechanical advance? Boost retard?
> - Do you want adjustable mechanical advance stops?
> - Are you putting this in a roller-cam block? Will you need a steel,
> composite, bronze or cast-iron distributor gear?
> 
> The "best" from a performance perspective, is to ditch the distributor and
> wires altogether, and use a crank trigger unit like the ford EDIS system, and
> coil-near-plug drivers that you could adapt from modular motor (4.6L) or some
> import applications. This may require more invention on your part than what
> you're ready to put in.
> Next would be a crank-trigger unit that has siamesed coils and triggers the
> plugs in pairs. This requires special plugs on one bank, if you want to have
> low-maintenance operation.
> After that, go to a high quality distributor: Billet body, ball bearings,
> adjustable advance curve, with vacuum for good highway mileage.
> Next after that is to use a Ford distributor body and make sure it's rebuilt
> to better-than-new specs. You can do this with a stock distributor, provided
> you can find the rebuild parts for it.
> 
> In any event, ditch the points and use a quality electronic triggering method,
> along with known-good coil, plugs and wires. This, and making sure the shaft
> is straight (and that the rotor and cap fit properly) are the key basics to a
> reliable ignition system.
> 
> Theo
> 
> 
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From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Wed Jun  9 17:38:19 2010
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 16:38:19 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger
References: <000001cb0822$c93eafb0$6501a8c0@Brennan>
	<C8358E46.35E3%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
	<47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06843CCD0BDF@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <E9C0B5AF56B844C18DBC0E477E435A3A@your4dacd0ea75>

I'd like to add to Theo's comments that if you decide to buy an aftermarket 
distributor you should ask about its height. I got a "Ford SB" distributor 
that was so tall it would not clear the Tiger's hood.

bt

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
To: "Would U. Believe" <mcdangerous at verizon.net>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger


> That depends on your application.
> - Are you going for stock appearance?
> - What is the RPM range that you're expecting to use?
> - Are you using a high-energy coil driver or using large plug gaps?
> - Do you want vacuum advance? Mechanical advance? Boost retard?
> - Do you want adjustable mechanical advance stops?
> - Are you putting this in a roller-cam block? Will you need a steel,
> composite, bronze or cast-iron distributor gear?
>
> The "best" from a performance perspective, is to ditch the distributor and
> wires altogether, and use a crank trigger unit like the ford EDIS system, 
> and
> coil-near-plug drivers that you could adapt from modular motor (4.6L) or 
> some
> import applications. This may require more invention on your part than 
> what
> you're ready to put in.
> Next would be a crank-trigger unit that has siamesed coils and triggers 
> the
> plugs in pairs. This requires special plugs on one bank, if you want to 
> have
> low-maintenance operation.
> After that, go to a high quality distributor: Billet body, ball bearings,
> adjustable advance curve, with vacuum for good highway mileage.
> Next after that is to use a Ford distributor body and make sure it's 
> rebuilt
> to better-than-new specs. You can do this with a stock distributor, 
> provided
> you can find the rebuild parts for it.
>
> In any event, ditch the points and use a quality electronic triggering 
> method,
> along with known-good coil, plugs and wires. This, and making sure the 
> shaft
> is straight (and that the rotor and cap fit properly) are the key basics 
> to a
> reliable ignition system.
>
> Theo
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Jun  9 17:45:40 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:45:40 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger
In-Reply-To: <C8359967.35EA%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
References: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06843CCD0BDF@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
	<C8359967.35EA%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim_jAXfZBwTkeaLC7_W33RwlfCBmIjAFc_T87yd@mail.gmail.com>

Mauro,

As you seem to be always gogin on about wanting it stock, then modfied but
erversable.. you need to be clear as to what your requirements are. Theo is
on the money as to what he said..

If you want a distributor go to electronic..
Choose between optical and magnetic
Choose if you want a more powerful spark
Choose if you want a controller crane Hi6/MSd etc

or to keep stock appearane get a petronix or lumention etc that replaces the
points in a stock unit. that will look the most correct.



On 10 June 2010 09:17, Would U. Believe <mcdangerous at verizon.net> wrote:

> (no rollers) Hi.  I want stock appearance and the engine is a mild cammed
> 289.  I don't expect to race this car and I don't expect to exceed 6000
> RPM.
> I think the stock distributor had a vacuum advance, but I don't know for
> sure.  What do you think?
>
>
> On 6/9/10 7:07 PM, "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:
>
> > That depends on your application.
> > - Are you going for stock appearance?
> > - What is the RPM range that you're expecting to use?
> > - Are you using a high-energy coil driver or using large plug gaps?
> > - Do you want vacuum advance? Mechanical advance? Boost retard?
> > - Do you want adjustable mechanical advance stops?
> > - Are you putting this in a roller-cam block? Will you need a steel,
> > composite, bronze or cast-iron distributor gear?
> >
> > The "best" from a performance perspective, is to ditch the distributor
> and
> > wires altogether, and use a crank trigger unit like the ford EDIS system,
> and
> > coil-near-plug drivers that you could adapt from modular motor (4.6L) or
> some
> > import applications. This may require more invention on your part than
> what
> > you're ready to put in.
> > Next would be a crank-trigger unit that has siamesed coils and triggers
> the
> > plugs in pairs. This requires special plugs on one bank, if you want to
> have
> > low-maintenance operation.
> > After that, go to a high quality distributor: Billet body, ball bearings,
> > adjustable advance curve, with vacuum for good highway mileage.
> > Next after that is to use a Ford distributor body and make sure it's
> rebuilt
> > to better-than-new specs. You can do this with a stock distributor,
> provided
> > you can find the rebuild parts for it.
> >
> > In any event, ditch the points and use a quality electronic triggering
> method,
> > along with known-good coil, plugs and wires. This, and making sure the
> shaft
> > is straight (and that the rotor and cap fit properly) are the key basics
> to a
> > reliable ignition system.
> >
> > Theo
> >
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> sole
> > use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient,
> please
> > be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail
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> > any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error,
> > please contact the sender and delete all copies.
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Michael King

From cars at wt-inc.com  Wed Jun  9 17:49:31 2010
From: cars at wt-inc.com (Lynn Wall)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:49:31 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger
In-Reply-To: <C8359967.35EA%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
References: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06843CCD0BDF@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
	<C8359967.35EA%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <001301cb082e$68cd1660$3a674320$@com>

Stock distributor with pertronix

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Would U. Believe
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 4:18 PM
To: Smit, Theo; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger

(no rollers) Hi.  I want stock appearance and the engine is a mild cammed
289.  I don't expect to race this car and I don't expect to exceed 6000 RPM.
I think the stock distributor had a vacuum advance, but I don't know for
sure.  What do you think?


On 6/9/10 7:07 PM, "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:

> That depends on your application.
> - Are you going for stock appearance?
> - What is the RPM range that you're expecting to use?
> - Are you using a high-energy coil driver or using large plug gaps?
> - Do you want vacuum advance? Mechanical advance? Boost retard?
> - Do you want adjustable mechanical advance stops?
> - Are you putting this in a roller-cam block? Will you need a steel,
> composite, bronze or cast-iron distributor gear?
> 
> The "best" from a performance perspective, is to ditch the distributor and
> wires altogether, and use a crank trigger unit like the ford EDIS system,
and
> coil-near-plug drivers that you could adapt from modular motor (4.6L) or
some
> import applications. This may require more invention on your part than
what
> you're ready to put in.
> Next would be a crank-trigger unit that has siamesed coils and triggers
the
> plugs in pairs. This requires special plugs on one bank, if you want to
have
> low-maintenance operation.
> After that, go to a high quality distributor: Billet body, ball bearings,
> adjustable advance curve, with vacuum for good highway mileage.
> Next after that is to use a Ford distributor body and make sure it's
rebuilt
> to better-than-new specs. You can do this with a stock distributor,
provided
> you can find the rebuild parts for it.
> 
> In any event, ditch the points and use a quality electronic triggering
method,
> along with known-good coil, plugs and wires. This, and making sure the
shaft
> is straight (and that the rotor and cap fit properly) are the key basics
to a
> reliable ignition system.
> 
> Theo
> 
> 
>
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From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Wed Jun  9 17:57:10 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 19:57:10 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim_jAXfZBwTkeaLC7_W33RwlfCBmIjAFc_T87yd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C835A296.35F3%mcdangerous@verizon.net>

Michael,

Stock 3appearance2, not really stock.   All I want are performance
improvements with stock appearance, but nothing that would cause me to have
to make irreversible modifications.  These are my requirements.   What9s the
part number for the stock distributor for a MKII Tiger?  Thanks.


On 6/9/10 7:45 PM, "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mauro,
>  
> As you seem to be always gogin on about wanting it stock, then modfied but
> erversable.. you need to be clear as to what your requirements are. Theo is
on
> the money as to what he said..
>  
> If you want a distributor go to electronic..
> Choose between optical and magnetic
> Choose if you want a more powerful spark
> Choose if you want a controller crane Hi6/MSd etc
>  
> or to keep stock appearane get a petronix or lumention etc that replaces
the
> points in a stock unit. that will look the most correct.
>
>
>  
> On 10 June 2010 09:17, Would U. Believe <mcdangerous at verizon.net> wrote:
>> (no rollers) Hi.  I want stock appearance and the engine is a mild cammed
>> 289.  I don't expect to race this car and I don't expect to exceed 6000
RPM.
>> I think the stock distributor had a vacuum advance, but I don't know for
>> sure.  What do you think?
>>
>>
>> On 6/9/10 7:07 PM, "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:
>>
>>> > That depends on your application.
>>> > - Are you going for stock appearance?
>>> > - What is the RPM range that you're expecting to use?
>>> > - Are you using a high-energy coil driver or using large plug gaps?
>>> > - Do you want vacuum advance? Mechanical advance? Boost retard?
>>> > - Do you want adjustable mechanical advance stops?
>>> > - Are you putting this in a roller-cam block? Will you need a steel,
>>> > composite, bronze or cast-iron distributor gear?
>>> >
>>> > The "best" from a performance perspective, is to ditch the distributor
and
>>> > wires altogether, and use a crank trigger unit like the ford EDIS
system,
>>> and
>>> > coil-near-plug drivers that you could adapt from modular motor (4.6L)
or
>>> some
>>> > import applications. This may require more invention on your part than
>>> what
>>> > you're ready to put in.
>>> > Next would be a crank-trigger unit that has siamesed coils and triggers
>>> the
>>> > plugs in pairs. This requires special plugs on one bank, if you want to
>>> have
>>> > low-maintenance operation.
>>> > After that, go to a high quality distributor: Billet body, ball
bearings,
>>> > adjustable advance curve, with vacuum for good highway mileage.
>>> > Next after that is to use a Ford distributor body and make sure it's
>>> rebuilt
>>> > to better-than-new specs. You can do this with a stock distributor,
>>> provided
>>> > you can find the rebuild parts for it.
>>> >
>>> > In any event, ditch the points and use a quality electronic triggering
>>> method,
>>> > along with known-good coil, plugs and wires. This, and making sure the
>>> shaft
>>> > is straight (and that the rotor and cap fit properly) are the key
basics
>>> to a
>>> > reliable ignition system.
>>> >
>>> > Theo
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
---------------------------------------------------------------------------->
>>
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the
>>> sole
>>> > use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient,
>>> please
>>> > be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this
e-mail
>>> or
>>> > any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in
error,
>>> > please contact the sender and delete all copies.
>>> >
>>> > Thank you for your cooperation.
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From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Wed Jun  9 17:59:03 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 19:59:03 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger
In-Reply-To: <001301cb082e$68cd1660$3a674320$@com>
Message-ID: <C835A307.35F5%mcdangerous@verizon.net>

Thanks.  That's what I'm planning.  Do you know what the part number is on
the stock distributor for a MKII Tiger?  Thanks!


On 6/9/10 7:49 PM, "Lynn Wall" <cars at wt-inc.com> wrote:

> Stock distributor with pertronix
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Would U. Believe
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 4:18 PM
> To: Smit, Theo; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger
> 
> (no rollers) Hi.  I want stock appearance and the engine is a mild cammed
> 289.  I don't expect to race this car and I don't expect to exceed 6000 RPM.
> I think the stock distributor had a vacuum advance, but I don't know for
> sure.  What do you think?
> 
> 
> On 6/9/10 7:07 PM, "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:
> 
>> That depends on your application.
>> - Are you going for stock appearance?
>> - What is the RPM range that you're expecting to use?
>> - Are you using a high-energy coil driver or using large plug gaps?
>> - Do you want vacuum advance? Mechanical advance? Boost retard?
>> - Do you want adjustable mechanical advance stops?
>> - Are you putting this in a roller-cam block? Will you need a steel,
>> composite, bronze or cast-iron distributor gear?
>> 
>> The "best" from a performance perspective, is to ditch the distributor and
>> wires altogether, and use a crank trigger unit like the ford EDIS system,
> and
>> coil-near-plug drivers that you could adapt from modular motor (4.6L) or
> some
>> import applications. This may require more invention on your part than
> what
>> you're ready to put in.
>> Next would be a crank-trigger unit that has siamesed coils and triggers
> the
>> plugs in pairs. This requires special plugs on one bank, if you want to
> have
>> low-maintenance operation.
>> After that, go to a high quality distributor: Billet body, ball bearings,
>> adjustable advance curve, with vacuum for good highway mileage.
>> Next after that is to use a Ford distributor body and make sure it's
> rebuilt
>> to better-than-new specs. You can do this with a stock distributor,
> provided
>> you can find the rebuild parts for it.
>> 
>> In any event, ditch the points and use a quality electronic triggering
> method,
>> along with known-good coil, plugs and wires. This, and making sure the
> shaft
>> is straight (and that the rotor and cap fit properly) are the key basics
> to a
>> reliable ignition system.
>> 
>> Theo
>> 
>> 
>> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>> --
>> This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the
> sole
>> use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient,
> please
>> be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail
> or
>> any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error,
>> please contact the sender and delete all copies.
>> 
>> Thank you for your cooperation.
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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  9 18:15:58 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:15:58 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Shifter Installation (and engine R&R to-do list)
In-Reply-To: <C834E9B6.35BE%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
References: <AANLkTikyU8DPVmbVuOhD1yeC3L69qvjW8VJ5N0L-WAT0@mail.gmail.com>
	<C834E9B6.35BE%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
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I just went through that this past weekend with my Hurst shifter.  I had to
remove the transmission mount and drop the transmission down, and I had to
remove the Hurst backing plate and install it first (there's a captive
bolt...). I may have had to remove the outer shift rod, I don't recall...
(it was a frustrating job, but do-able.)

I think the original Ford shifter would be easier; you may have to remove
the shift lever, but it isn't as bulky as the Hurst.


Tom

On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Would U. Believe <mcdangerous at verizon.net>wrote:

> Hi all.  I should probably spend more time under my Tiger...  I am
> wondering
> if it's possible to install a shifter onto a Toploader while installed in
> the car.  I've delayed the installation of my engine and transmission due
> to
> a little hiccup with my Hurst shifter.  I have the original shifter on
> right
> now and am wondering if I can go ahead and install it, then change it out
> down the road. Does anyone know offhand?
>
> I know someone sent this in a previous email, which I can't locate, but I'm
> looking for the lists of things that must be disconnected or removed in
> order to remove the engine from the bottom (and the top).
>
> Thanks a lot!
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Wed Jun  9 18:15:53 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:15:53 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger
Message-ID: <cc447.b58bdac.394188b9@aol.com>

And if you go petronix you'll probably have to spend  another few hundred 
to rework the tach. Ask me how I  know;-)
M
 
 
In a message dated 6/9/2010 8:13:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
cars at wt-inc.com writes:

Stock  distributor with pertronix

-----Original Message-----
From:  tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On  Behalf Of Would U. Believe
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 4:18 PM
To:  Smit, Theo; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor  for Tiger

(no rollers) Hi.  I want stock appearance and the engine  is a mild cammed
289.  I don't expect to race this car and I don't  expect to exceed 6000 
RPM.
I think the stock distributor had a vacuum  advance, but I don't know for
sure.  What do you think?


On  6/9/10 7:07 PM, "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>  wrote:

> That depends on your application.
> - Are you going  for stock appearance?
> - What is the RPM range that you're expecting to  use?
> - Are you using a high-energy coil driver or using large plug  gaps?
> - Do you want vacuum advance? Mechanical advance? Boost  retard?
> - Do you want adjustable mechanical advance stops?
> -  Are you putting this in a roller-cam block? Will you need a steel,
>  composite, bronze or cast-iron distributor gear?
> 
> The "best"  from a performance perspective, is to ditch the distributor 
and
> wires  altogether, and use a crank trigger unit like the ford EDIS  
system,
and
> coil-near-plug drivers that you could adapt from  modular motor (4.6L) or
some
> import applications. This may require  more invention on your part than
what
> you're ready to put  in.
> Next would be a crank-trigger unit that has siamesed coils and  triggers
the
> plugs in pairs. This requires special plugs on one  bank, if you want to
have
> low-maintenance operation.
> After  that, go to a high quality distributor: Billet body, ball bearings,
>  adjustable advance curve, with vacuum for good highway mileage.
> Next  after that is to use a Ford distributor body and make sure  it's
rebuilt
> to better-than-new specs. You can do this with a stock  distributor,
provided
> you can find the rebuild parts for  it.
> 
> In any event, ditch the points and use a quality  electronic triggering
method,
> along with known-good coil, plugs and  wires. This, and making sure the
shaft
> is straight (and that the  rotor and cap fit properly) are the key basics
to a
> reliable  ignition system.
> 
> Theo
> 
>  
>
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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  9 18:25:41 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:25:41 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds
In-Reply-To: <631526.60469.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <631526.60469.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikQGEORR5OUWjmUM59fFPqcq2Ltj-OOrEmv3Ity@mail.gmail.com>

Rick at SS has a set (uncoated) for less than $300 that fit my Mark 2 with
no modification. Performance Coatings in Georgia (They're in Hemmings and on
the web) will coat them for $205 plus shipping. Since the engine and body
are the same size on both cars I see no reason why they wouldn't fit a Mark
1A.

Tom

On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Who makes and sells the best headers for the MK 1A tigers?  I see many
> 'coated' but what are they coated with?  What color should they be?
>
> Thanks
> Joel
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From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Wed Jun  9 18:38:32 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 20:38:32 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Shifter Installation (and engine R&R to-do list)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimg0SpVGzxfiJ1r2vpahyLvn71YbGAncQ-CF-Yi@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C835AC48.3606%mcdangerous@verizon.net>

Yeah.  I was looking at it today and it seems like that would be necessary
to install the Hurst.  I think I will wait to get the hiccup with my Hurst
to be resolved before installing it all.  The original Ford shifter is
really tight (unworn), though.  I9m wondering, is the Hurst really much
different?  I hear they are really great.


On 6/9/10 8:15 PM, "Tom Parker" <tkparker1941 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I just went through that this past weekend with my Hurst shifter.  I had to
> remove the transmission mount and drop the transmission down, and I had to
> remove the Hurst backing plate and install it first (there's a captive
> bolt...). I may have had to remove the outer shift rod, I don't recall...
(it
> was a frustrating job, but do-able.)
>
> I think the original Ford shifter would be easier; you may have to remove
the
> shift lever, but it isn't as bulky as the Hurst.
>
>
> Tom
>
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Would U. Believe <mcdangerous at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>> Hi all.  I should probably spend more time under my Tiger...  I am
wondering
>> if it's possible to install a shifter onto a Toploader while installed in
>> the car.  I've delayed the installation of my engine and transmission due
to
>> a little hiccup with my Hurst shifter.  I have the original shifter on
right
>> now and am wondering if I can go ahead and install it, then change it out
>> down the road. Does anyone know offhand?
>>
>> I know someone sent this in a previous email, which I can't locate, but
I'm
>> looking for the lists of things that must be disconnected or removed in
>> order to remove the engine from the bottom (and the top).
>>
>> Thanks a lot!
>> _______________________________________________
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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  9 18:50:50 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:50:50 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Shifter Installation (and engine R&R to-do list)
In-Reply-To: <C835AC48.3606%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
References: <AANLkTimg0SpVGzxfiJ1r2vpahyLvn71YbGAncQ-CF-Yi@mail.gmail.com>
	<C835AC48.3606%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinmp77wcPXGbDgq9Lh0CV1RQTs_m9KLErX74j6F@mail.gmail.com>

When I bought the car (a LONG time ago) I didn't like the Ford shifter, but
I really don't remember why. The Hurst I bought to replace it has a short
straight stick (no bend), it shifted quickly and never gave me problems.

I found the original Ford shifter in a box; there's a guy in Maryland who
rebuilds them. Once the car is back to running condition and all the bugs
are worked out I plan to have the Ford shifter redone. I'll give it another
try.

Tom

On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Would U. Believe
<mcdangerous at verizon.net>wrote:

>  Yeah.  I was looking at it today and it seems like that would be
> necessary to install the Hurst.  I think I will wait to get the hiccup with
> my Hurst to be resolved before installing it all.  The original Ford
shifter
> is really tight (unworn), though.  Im wondering, is the Hurst really much
> different?  I hear they are really great.
>
>
>
> On 6/9/10 8:15 PM, "Tom Parker" <tkparker1941 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I just went through that this past weekend with my Hurst shifter.  I had to
> remove the transmission mount and drop the transmission down, and I had to
> remove the Hurst backing plate and install it first (there's a captive
> bolt...). I may have had to remove the outer shift rod, I don't recall...
> (it was a frustrating job, but do-able.)
>
> I think the original Ford shifter would be easier; you may have to remove
> the shift lever, but it isn't as bulky as the Hurst.
>
>
> Tom
>
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Would U. Believe <mcdangerous at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> Hi all.  I should probably spend more time under my Tiger...  I am
> wondering
> if it's possible to install a shifter onto a Toploader while installed in
> the car.  I've delayed the installation of my engine and transmission due
> to
> a little hiccup with my Hurst shifter.  I have the original shifter on
> right
> now and am wondering if I can go ahead and install it, then change it out
> down the road. Does anyone know offhand?
>
> I know someone sent this in a previous email, which I can't locate, but I'm
> looking for the lists of things that must be disconnected or removed in
> order to remove the engine from the bottom (and the top).
>
> Thanks a lot!
> _______________________________________________
> Tigers at autox.team.net
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From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Wed Jun  9 19:23:53 2010
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 21:23:53 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger
Message-ID: <4C103EA9.90503@roadrunner.com>

If you want an ignition system that will be reliable over the long run, 
it makes sense to convert to a solid-state distributor of some sort.  
There are some that look period correct such as the Mallory Unilite and 
are of superior construction to the Ford ones.  You could, of course, 
rebuild the Ford distributor and install a Pertronix unit and that would 
be better than the original.  A long time ago, I had installed a Mallory 
dual-point distributor so, when it came time to upgrade, I replaced the 
points with a pertronix setup and the stock tach worked just fine, 
although it was not very accurate.  The solution is to install a modern 
circuit board a la Tom Hall/Theo Smit.  Then you can run just about any 
distributor and/or ignition system.

Cheers,

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  9 20:31:52 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 19:31:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikQGEORR5OUWjmUM59fFPqcq2Ltj-OOrEmv3Ity@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <798448.92037.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Might check with Dr. Mayf as he is partners or owner of a coating shop to-
just be sure to prefit, in case you need to dent them. I had ceramic on the
inside and the outside looks shiney like nickle- not brighrt enough to be
chrome BUT I think I would ask Dr. prior to doing anything to my headers.
TtT
--- On Wed, 6/9/10, Tom Parker <tkparker1941 at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Tom Parker <tkparker1941 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds
To: "Joel Martin" <jmartiniii at yahoo.com>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 7:25 PM


Rick at SS has a set (uncoated) for less than $300 that fit my Mark 2 with
no modification. Performance Coatings in Georgia (They're in Hemmings and on
the web) will coat them for $205 plus shipping. Since the engine and body
are the same size on both cars I see no reason why they wouldn't fit a Mark
1A.

Tom

On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Who makes and sells the best headers for the MK 1A tigers?  I see many
> 'coated' but what are they coated with?  What color should they be?
>
> Thanks
> Joel
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From tsmit at shaw.ca  Wed Jun  9 21:11:44 2010
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (THEO SMIT)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 21:11:44 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger
In-Reply-To: <C835A307.35F5%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
References: <001301cb082e$68cd1660$3a674320$@com>
	<C835A307.35F5%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <f31fbb44a64a.4c100390@shaw.ca>

If you're going with a stock-ish distributor, then do some parts-bin
engineering to set it up with a mechanical advance of 24 to 26 crankshaft
degrees, and find a vacuum advance unit that has an adjustable limit (some do
this with a hex key through the vacuum port). Then get a set of springs and
weights that let you bring the advance in starting at about 1200 RPM and
all-in at 2500 RPM.
This combination lets you set the initial timing at 12 degrees instead of the
original 6, and bring in the rest of the timing advance sooner, which will
make your off-idle response a bit snappier.

Some (or most) Ford smallblock distributors have two sets of mechanical
advance springs and weights but only one side of the advance plate intercepts
the advance limiting pin. The two sides of each advance plate are ground
differently (and marked with a distributor-degrees value, IIRC) so you can
adjust the distributor mechanical advance limit by just turning the advance
plate 180 degrees over the lower part of the distributor shaft.

Cheers,
Theo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Would U. Believe" <mcdangerous at verizon.net>
Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010 6:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger
To: Lynn Wall <cars at wt-inc.com>, "'Smit, Theo'" <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>,
tigers at autox.team.net

> Thanks.  That's what I'm planning.  Do you know what
> the part number is on
> the stock distributor for a MKII Tiger?  Thanks!

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Jun  9 22:36:21 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 00:36:21 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger
In-Reply-To: <C835A296.35F3%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1BD52F273E4546948181A53B449BEE9F@ronpc1>

The MK II, 289 engine: stock distributor is C5AF-12127-M and has vacuum
advance.

This is a later style Ford distributor; that means it does not have an oil
port and the center section has a tri-lobe shape.   Any later style
distributor will work and you can still buy them from any Mustang or Ford
car catalog.

I would use a later style Ford distributor with a Pertronix or similar
ignition module.  I have used this combination for  almost 20 years now with
no problems.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Would U. Believe
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:57 PM
To: michael king
Cc: Smit, Theo; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger


Michael,

Stock 3appearance2, not really stock.   All I want are performance
improvements with stock appearance, but nothing that would cause me to have
to make irreversible modifications.  These are my requirements.   What9s the
part number for the stock distributor for a MKII Tiger?  Thanks.

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Jun  9 23:32:09 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 22:32:09 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds
In-Reply-To: <798448.92037.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <798448.92037.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C1078D9.8030405@mayfco.com>

Oops, tiz not me, lol. Dr. Moonstone is who you are searching for. 
Sean's realitive has a coating company in Fresno, Calif who does headers 
etc. Cap's Bright Hot Coatings. He did the headers fo the Sunbeam race 
car. The headers on the Tiger I have owned since 1967 were coated by Jet 
Hot folk about 15 years ago and they still look very nice as well.

Mayf

Tony Somebody wrote:

>Might check with Dr. Mayf as he is partners or owner of a coating shop to-
>just be sure to prefit, in case you need to dent them. I had ceramic on the
>inside and the outside looks shiney like nickle- not brighrt enough to be
>chrome BUT I think I would ask Dr. prior to doing anything to my headers.
>TtT
>--- On Wed, 6/9/10, Tom Parker <tkparker1941 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>From: Tom Parker <tkparker1941 at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds
>To: "Joel Martin" <jmartiniii at yahoo.com>
>Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
>Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 7:25 PM
>
>
>Rick at SS has a set (uncoated) for less than $300 that fit my Mark 2 with
>no modification. Performance Coatings in Georgia (They're in Hemmings and on
>the web) will coat them for $205 plus shipping. Since the engine and body
>are the same size on both cars I see no reason why they wouldn't fit a Mark
>1A.
>
>Tom
>
>On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Who makes and sells the best headers for the MK 1A tigers?  I see many
>>'coated' but what are they coated with?  What color should they be?
>>
>>Thanks
>>Joel
>>_______________________________________________

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 10 05:00:01 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:00:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds
In-Reply-To: <4C1078D9.8030405@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <913712.27611.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

SORRY to the LIST and both Dr. Mayf and Dr. Moonstone- I  get the days mixed
up, why not two Dr's. who happen to have names that start w/ the same letter
(M). At any rate, I would still recommend checking with DR. Moonstone as Dr.
Mayf would not  give a recommend about his headers unless true. THEN, be kind
enough to tell everyone what it is on the outside and if there is something
besides ceramic used on the inside. Headers become a large investment when you
add the original cost and then having them coated etc. I have a set, never
prefit them (DUH) had them sent off by a friend here in town who owns the
largest Jaguar mail order business in the state- to my knowledge and chances
are very high if you have a friend who bought a rebuilt Jag water pump, it was
done in my friends business as I used to ride with his son who was in charge
of the shop that rebuilt the pumps, I sadly report that after a motorcycle
accident and several months of acomma, that
 he passed, just a young man, maybe 35 now(this was at least 1 year back) and
I was always impressed by the great relationship the father and son shared,
one I wish I had with my own son.
Bill Terry also builds professional racing engines for Jags. My friend,
because of a class change would have been running against our own Tiger Teams
but had, for a reason I never learned, not been able to pass the physical
after the change BUT he did do quite well when racing in another class, so I
was anxious to see how he faired against the Tiger guys, who do quite well I
might add.
 
Sorry again for the wrong recommend. Everyone please have a great day and I
seriously hope each of you and yours have just that.
Many regards, TonytheTiger

--- On Thu, 6/10/10, drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:


From: drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds
To: "Tony Somebody" <achd73 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Joel Martin" <jmartiniii at yahoo.com>, "Tom Parker"
<tkparker1941 at gmail.com>, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 12:32 AM


Oops, tiz not me, lol. Dr. Moonstone is who you are searching for.
Sean's realitive has a coating company in Fresno, Calif who does headers
etc. Cap's Bright Hot Coatings. He did the headers fo the Sunbeam race
car. The headers on the Tiger I have owned since 1967 were coated by Jet
Hot folk about 15 years ago and they still look very nice as well.

Mayf

Tony Somebody wrote:

>Might check with Dr. Mayf as he is partners or owner of a coating shop to-
>just be sure to prefit, in case you need to dent them. I had ceramic on the
>inside and the outside looks shiney like nickle- not brighrt enough to be
>chrome BUT I think I would ask Dr. prior to doing anything to my headers.
>TtT
>--- On Wed, 6/9/10, Tom Parker <tkparker1941 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>From: Tom Parker <tkparker1941 at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds
>To: "Joel Martin" <jmartiniii at yahoo.com>
>Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
>Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 7:25 PM
>
>
>Rick at SS has a set (uncoated) for less than $300 that fit my Mark 2 with
>no modification. Performance Coatings in Georgia (They're in Hemmings and on
>the web) will coat them for $205 plus shipping. Since the engine and body
>are the same size on both cars I see no reason why they wouldn't fit a Mark
>1A.
>
>Tom
>
>On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
>>Who makes and sells the best headers for the MK 1A tigers?  I see many
>>'coated' but what are they coated with?  What color should they be?
>>
>>Thanks
>>Joel
>>_______________________________________________
>>   
>>
> 

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 10 05:18:00 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:18:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] maybe BAD!!! DON'T OPEN the copy of the original that
 is attached below my email
In-Reply-To: <8CCD67E0885838A-2188-83F2@webmail-d035.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <395801.2874.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

T-Don- Did you send this? I am afraid I was stupid enough to try to open or run it and then I got a pink warning at the top of the page- also, supposedly from Microsoft I would need "something " to be able to run it added on- to dumb to remember what the add on was BUT then, nothing would stop it, so I unplugged the charger (battery is worn out & junk) and removed the battery so it hopefully caused me to loose everything that was running. It ignored me Xing it closed as well as the add on, then the little rectangle pops up saying it isn't responding, do I want to end now or cancel- well end now just added it to the list of open windows. I have some laptop problems and my Microsoft engineer nephew left on vacation prior to fixing what I messed up, so the only way I can connect is turn off my firewalls- not smart. Please let me know the bad news as I'm certain a bug sent the website, using your email address.
TonytheTiger
Sending a copy to the LIST in case others get this and it is as bad as I am afraid!!!

--- On Thu, 6/10/10, tahoedonzi at aol.com <tahoedonzi at aol.com> wrote:


From: tahoedonzi at aol.com <tahoedonzi at aol.com>
Subject: 
To: aballard at ix.netcom.com, accobra at peoplepc.com, achd73 at yahoo.com, adam at mohrimports.com, aectech1 at gmail.com, aholmerud at rjlwm.com, akashkg at yahoo.com, al8085 at comcast.net, alandgray at gmail.com, alasdellevante at terra.es
Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 1:33 AM


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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Thu Jun 10 07:04:55 2010
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:04:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger
In-Reply-To: <1BD52F273E4546948181A53B449BEE9F@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <1911224836.2346501276175095275.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

>I would use a later style Ford distributor with a Pertronix or similar
>ignition module.  I have used this combination for  almost 20 years now with
>no problems.

I agree.  I got mine from SS.  Took it apart and flipped the mechanical advance
to the more limited side and changed to Mr. Gasket lighter advance springs.
It was about 1992 but I was able to get a new vacuum chamber with the screw
in port just like original.  I used the original screw in pieces but used a cut off
screw or something to limit the vacuum advance too (see the shop manual).
My rebuilt 260 has never run better.  The Pertronix is the original style and has
never fried the coil (or itself) and worked the stock tach too.

Gary


----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Fraser 
To: 'Would U. Believe' 
Cc: Theo' 'Smit , tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 04:36:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger

The MK II, 289 engine: stock distributor is C5AF-12127-M and has vacuum
advance.

This is a later style Ford distributor; that means it does not have an oil
port and the center section has a tri-lobe shape.   Any later style
distributor will work and you can still buy them from any Mustang or Ford
car catalog.

I would use a later style Ford distributor with a Pertronix or similar
ignition module.  I have used this combination for  almost 20 years now with
no problems.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Would U. Believe
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:57 PM
To: michael king
Cc: Smit, Theo; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger


Michael,

Stock 3appearance2, not really stock.   All I want are performance
improvements with stock appearance, but nothing that would cause me to have
to make irreversible modifications.  These are my requirements.   What9s the
part number for the stock distributor for a MKII Tiger?  Thanks.
_______________________________________________
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From Carmods at aol.com  Thu Jun 10 07:07:03 2010
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:07:03 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger
Message-ID: <1452a.3ebba82.39423d77@aol.com>

It was said, "And if you go petronix you'll probably have to  spend  
another few hundred 
to rework the tach. Ask me how I   know;-)"
 
I installed a Pertronix with a regular coil about 12 years ago  and have 
had no tachometer problems. What did I do wrong?
 
John

From Carmods at aol.com  Thu Jun 10 07:15:46 2010
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:15:46 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Headers versus Cast Iron Exhaust Manifolds
Message-ID: <14c1c.2d0b4da8.39423f82@aol.com>

_tkparker_ (mailto:tkparker1941 at gmail.com)  writes: Rick at SS  has a set 
(uncoated) for less than $300 that fit my Mark 2 with
no  modification
 
Tom,
I would recommend that you try the headers in the car and  remove any 
interferences that you may have with the engine or body before you  have them 
coated so that you don't have to destroy the coating. There are  different 
coatings so is it ceramic, or paint?
 
John Logan

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Jun 10 07:56:49 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:56:49 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger
In-Reply-To: <1452a.3ebba82.39423d77@aol.com>
Message-ID: <EDDC6C877B734EB3A9D751F3309FD131@ronpc1>

John
	I believe some Tachs are more sensitive to this problem then others.
It is most likely due to the condition of some the electronic components and
how they react to RF from the ignition system.   I know Tiger Tom looked at
this problem a few years ago and I believe it is a capacitor, resistor
filter that will make the Tach work smoothly but I'll leave that to the
electrical types to define the filter.

Tom Hall and Theo Smit developed a nice add on part to make the Tach work
with most any system so if I ever need one I will buy one of their circuit
boards.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Carmods at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 9:07 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger


It was said, "And if you go petronix you'll probably have to  spend
another few hundred
to rework the tach. Ask me how I   know;-)"

I installed a Pertronix with a regular coil about 12 years ago  and have
had no tachometer problems. What did I do wrong?

John
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From arado7 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun 10 09:23:50 2010
From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 08:23:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger
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Message-ID: <871792.12307.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I too did the same on my Mark 1.without issue.   I Used Petronix on Nortons,
Mg's  No problems.but they have mechanical tachs..      Gary    B9472283

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From: Carmods at aol.com <Carmods at aol.com>
Subject: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 1:07 PM


It was said, "And if you go petronix you'll probably have to  spend 
another few hundred
to rework the tach. Ask me how I   know;-)"

I installed a Pertronix with a regular coil about 12 years ago  and have
had no tachometer problems. What did I do wrong?

John
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From Gyroplanes at aol.com  Thu Jun 10 09:30:54 2010
From: Gyroplanes at aol.com (Gyroplanes at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:30:54 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Now what do I do?
Message-ID: <292b5.30332a09.39425f2e@aol.com>

Hi Everyone,
I have been occasionally posting and lurking for the last 10 years or so  
(mostly lurking) Just checking the list every month or so. Now I'm back and  
checking daily.
 
My Tiger project stalled when I lost my job in 1995.
I have relit the flame and took a plunge yesterday, I'll explain.
 
My Tiger is ready for reassembly (I need help with this)
 
I used to belong to several Tiger "clubs" and took their advice to heart..  
here is what I did so far.
 
10 years or more ago:  (engine is out of the car)
 
I bagged the 260 and bought the recommended 1984 302 (non EFI &  Computer)
 
I bought the recommended Edelbrock performer low rise intake manifold
 
 
I bought the recommended Edelbrock performer carburetor.
 
Yesterday:
 
 
I bought Edelbrock performer RPM aluminum cylinder heads (on sale $975  a 
pair, delivered plus a $50.00 rebate and 2 T-shirts from Vic)
 
I realize I should have asked here before buying the heads. I now wonder if 
 my (CATO?) shaved, Tiger valve covers will fit the Edelbrock rocker arms?
 
Also, I would like to build up the engine with a mild cam. Back-in-the-day, 
 I considered a Ford B303 cam. I now realize that things have changed a bit 
in  the last 10-15 years and this might not be the best cam kit for a 
street driver  with an attention getting idle. What's say you?
 
My main purpose for the aluminum heads and intake were to reduce front end  
weight. I hope this logic wasn't flawed?  Since I am back on the list, I'm  
all ears.
 
Thanks in advance,
Tom Milton
Lansing, IL.

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Thu Jun 10 10:05:31 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:05:31 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Now what do I do?
In-Reply-To: <292b5.30332a09.39425f2e@aol.com>
References: <292b5.30332a09.39425f2e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06843CCD0D08@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

Is your block fitted with roller lifters? If not, then the B303 (or any other
roller cam) will not work for you...

If you don't have a roller block, then consider either changing to a newer
block or else getting one of Crane's (or others) roller lifter cam kits for
early blocks. You'll have less problems using low-additive oils and make more
power to boot.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gyroplanes at aol.com
> Sent: June 10, 2010 9:31 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Now what do I do?
>
> Hi Everyone,
<snip>
>
> I bagged the 260 and bought the recommended 1984 302 (non EFI &
> Computer)
>
<snip>
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tom Milton
> Lansing, IL.


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From Gyroplanes at aol.com  Thu Jun 10 10:12:03 2010
From: Gyroplanes at aol.com (Gyroplanes at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:12:03 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] What do I do now?
Message-ID: <2c90d.dc7462a.394268d3@aol.com>

I assumed the 1984 5.0 Mustang engine had the roller lifters? I'll find out 
 when I pull the intake soon.
Tom
 
Is your block fitted with roller lifters? If not, then the B303 (or any  
other roller cam) will not work for you...

If you don't have a roller  block, then consider either changing to a newer 
block or else getting one of  Crane's (or others) roller lifter cam kits 
for early blocks. You'll have less  problems using low-additive oils and make 
more power to  boot.

Theo

From Gyroplanes at aol.com  Thu Jun 10 10:19:34 2010
From: Gyroplanes at aol.com (Gyroplanes at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:19:34 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Now what do I do?
Message-ID: <2d2b0.536ab3f8.39426a96@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/10/2010 11:02:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
bob at rjosten.com writes:

Hi Tom, where did you buy those heads? That's a good  price.
thanks
Bob

Advance Auto Parts, on-line.  If you  paste P20 in the "coupons" box, you 
get 20% off the entire order for the next  few days. Free shipping too.
 
I saw Vic Edelbrock on Horsepower TV, offering the $50.00 rebate and  
T-shirts. HPTV is building a 1967 Mustang road race car (Vic's family races  them)


I saved $244. 0ver their regular price. Without the P20, Jegs, etc.  were 
cheaper. I'll get the $50.00 from Vic when the heads arrive in a few  days.
 
If I get a solid cam recommendation, I might get one with the 20% off  too.
 
Tom
 
Tom

From Gyroplanes at aol.com  Thu Jun 10 10:26:42 2010
From: Gyroplanes at aol.com (Gyroplanes at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:26:42 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Now what do I do?
Message-ID: <2dbb4.7658d180.39426c42@aol.com>

Thanks Tony,
 
There was a guy (Johnson?) up in northern, IL. with a Tiger, but I never  
got to meet him.
 
I am looking forward to finishing my restoration after a long hiatus.
 
Thanks again, Tom
 
 
In a message dated 6/10/2010 10:50:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
achd73 at yahoo.com writes:

GREETINGS from TonytheTiger in Benton, IL. I can help with some??s  but 
there are guys smarter than me, so I will let them respond. I just  wanted to 
let ya know you have a Tiger friend down here in southern  IL.
warmly,   tonythetiger

From Gyroplanes at aol.com  Thu Jun 10 10:30:33 2010
From: Gyroplanes at aol.com (Gyroplanes at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:30:33 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Now what do I do?
Message-ID: <2e102.2d7d7e95.39426d29@aol.com>

Hi Mark,
I did plan to do that, but I first wanted to hear from the guys on the  
street.
 
I did see that Edelbrock has a complete package that bolts on a bunch of HP 
 & Torque to a stock 5.0 engine. They have the dyno results posted and the  
whole thing was under $2,000 IIRC. It would have been a way to go, but  
since I already had the manifold and carb, I'm doing it piecemeal.
 
Thanks, Tom 
 
 
In a message dated 6/10/2010 10:57:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
CoolVT at aol.com writes:

Tom,
Sinc you have all Edelbrock stuff, I would think a  call to their tech dept 
would be in order. I would tell them your requirements  and ask their 
advice on a cam choice.
Mark

From Gyroplanes at aol.com  Thu Jun 10 10:34:44 2010
From: Gyroplanes at aol.com (Gyroplanes at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:34:44 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Technical list question
Message-ID: <2e6a5.8a0a5a0.39426e24@aol.com>

I just rejoined this list. When I receive the list e-mails, my reply  
button only replies to the person sending the e-mail and not the entire  list.
 
Did I set something up  wrong?  I have been manually typing  in  
 
_tigers at autox.team.net_ (mailto:tigers at autox.team.net) 
 
To post to the entire list.
 
Tom

From spook01 at comcast.net  Thu Jun 10 10:40:30 2010
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:40:30 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Now_what_do_I_do=3F?=
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There IS of course the crank thing with the newer blocks.......

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
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Date: Thu, Jun 10, 2010 11:05
Subject: [Tigers] Now what do I do?
To: "Gyroplanes at aol.com" <Gyroplanes at aol.com>, "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>

Is your block fitted with roller lifters? If not, then the B303 (or any other
roller cam) will not work for you...

If you don't have a roller block, then consider either changing to a newer
block or else getting one of Crane's (or others) roller lifter cam kits for
early blocks. You'll have less problems using low-additive oils and make more
power to boot.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gyroplanes at aol.com
> Sent: June 10, 2010 9:31 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Now what do I do?
>
> Hi Everyone,
<snip>
>
> I bagged the 260 and bought the recommended 1984 302 (non EFI &
> Computer)
>
<snip>
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tom Milton
> Lansing, IL.


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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Thu Jun 10 10:47:52 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:47:52 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Now what do I do?
In-Reply-To: <201006101640.o5AGeIF08994@red2.dynastream.com>
References: <201006101640.o5AGeIF08994@red2.dynastream.com>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06843CCD0D54@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

Do tell. What crank thing?

Theo

From: spook01 at comcast.net [mailto:spook01 at comcast.net]
Sent: June 10, 2010 10:41 AM
To: Smit, Theo; Gyroplanes at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now what do I do?

There IS of course the crank thing with the newer blocks.......

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

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Date: Thu, Jun 10, 2010 11:05
Subject: [Tigers] Now what do I do?
To: "Gyroplanes at aol.com" <Gyroplanes at aol.com>, "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>

Is your block fitted with roller lifters? If not, then the B303 (or any other
roller cam) will not work for you...

If you don't have a roller block, then consider either changing to a newer
block or else getting one of Crane's (or others) roller lifter cam kits for
early blocks. You'll have less problems using low-additive oils and make more
power to boot.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gyroplanes at aol.com
> Sent: June 10, 2010 9:31 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Now what do I do?
>
> Hi Everyone,
<snip>
>
> I bagged the 260 and bought the recommended 1984 302 (non EFI &
> Computer)
>
<snip>
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tom Milton
> Lansing, IL.


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From Gyroplanes at aol.com  Thu Jun 10 11:01:05 2010
From: Gyroplanes at aol.com (Gyroplanes at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:01:05 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Now what do I do?
Message-ID: <30991.5504a742.39427451@aol.com>

I bought the 60229 heads for use with the stock pistons. I really, really
want to use my NOS Tiger valve covers. We will cross that bridge when I come
to  it.
Tom


In a message dated 6/10/2010 11:41:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com writes:

Lets  see...on your performer rpm cylinder heads. I have a set as well that
I bought  for my Tiger. They are pedestal mount. If you bought the 60259
with the 2.02  valves, they DO NOT fit a stock 302 flat top piston without
custom valve  relief on my motor and I run the E-cam...(all of this is on fox
body mustangs  that I have now and in the past). Granted that E-cam has .498"
total lift, so  itbs a bit more aggressive than your b-cam consideration.
But edelbrock  actually states on their website that those heads donbt fit.
(
3rd bullet  point at top of page They also will not clear the shallow style
Tiger valve  covers with pedestal or stud mount rockers, at least not
without major  modification, which I havent tried yet. I know you could
install a
spacer and  gain valve train clearance but of course you run into the
firewall  then.

From mark.rense at ge.com  Thu Jun 10 11:07:15 2010
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd))
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:07:15 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] What do I do now?
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References: <2c90d.dc7462a.394268d3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A0405C635@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>

If that is really a '84 block then it will be flat tappet. The first
roller cam engines were in '85, that was also the last year of a
carbureted engine.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gyroplanes at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:12 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] What do I do now?

I assumed the 1984 5.0 Mustang engine had the roller lifters? I'll find
out  when I pull the intake soon.
Tom

Is your block fitted with roller lifters? If not, then the B303 (or any
other roller cam) will not work for you...

If you don't have a roller  block, then consider either changing to a
newer block or else getting one of  Crane's (or others) roller lifter
cam kits for early blocks. You'll have less  problems using low-additive
oils and make more power to  boot.

Theo
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Jun 10 15:39:02 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:39:02 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Technical list question
In-Reply-To: <2e6a5.8a0a5a0.39426e24@aol.com>
Message-ID: <44C632F914C849019793C8EAD8386AB5@ronpc1>

Tom 
	You should have a Reply to All button that sends it to everyone.

Ron Fraser

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From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Thu Jun 10 17:14:50 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:14:50 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger
In-Reply-To: <1BD52F273E4546948181A53B449BEE9F@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <C836EA2A.366E%mcdangerous@verizon.net>

Ron,

That's good news.  This is the one I have with my MKII engine.  I also have
two Mallory twin point distributors I was thinking about using -- one with
vacuum advance and other not.  So, I plan to use the original distributor
with a Pertronix Ignitor II setup. I have the Ignitor II in my 260 engine's
distributor and the tach works fine.  Thanks!

P.S.  I still owe you all the numbers off the components of my engine(s).
Please rest assured that I won't forget!  Cheers.


On 6/10/10 12:36 AM, "Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

> The MK II, 289 engine: stock distributor is C5AF-12127-M and has vacuum
> advance.
> 
> This is a later style Ford distributor; that means it does not have an oil
> port and the center section has a tri-lobe shape.   Any later style
> distributor will work and you can still buy them from any Mustang or Ford
> car catalog.
> 
> I would use a later style Ford distributor with a Pertronix or similar
> ignition module.  I have used this combination for  almost 20 years now with
> no problems.
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Would U. Believe
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:57 PM
> To: michael king
> Cc: Smit, Theo; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger
> 
> 
> Michael,
> 
> Stock 3appearance2, not really stock.   All I want are performance
> improvements with stock appearance, but nothing that would cause me to have
> to make irreversible modifications.  These are my requirements.   What9s the
> part number for the stock distributor for a MKII Tiger?  Thanks.

From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 10 18:25:17 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:25:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Now what do I do?
In-Reply-To: <2dbb4.7658d180.39426c42@aol.com>
Message-ID: <446342.97852.qm@web111615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Tom
 
I'm the Johnson from Northern IL.  Dave Johnson
now in Indianapolis, IN.  my cell is 630-301-4749.
 
My Tiger was in a severe accident and totalled
6 years ago.  I have repaired the sheet metal and
will paint it this summer.  Then its reassembly
Time over the winter.  The car's in Wilmington, IL
near Kankankee.  I just lost my job and hope to
have time to finish the car.
 
Listers.  Out of work after 4 years consulting.
Anyone in need of an old cantankerliss mainframe
programmer?
 
It looks like is 26 weeks of living off the dole.
 
Dave

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From: Gyroplanes at aol.com <Gyroplanes at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now what do I do?
To: achd73 at yahoo.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 4:26 PM


Thanks Tony,

There was a guy (Johnson?) up in northern, IL. with a Tiger, but I never 
got to meet him.

I am looking forward to finishing my restoration after a long hiatus.

Thanks again, Tom


In a message dated 6/10/2010 10:50:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
achd73 at yahoo.com writes:

GREETINGS from TonytheTiger in Benton, IL. I can help with some??s  but
there are guys smarter than me, so I will let them respond. I just  wanted to
let ya know you have a Tiger friend down here in southern  IL.
warmly,   tonythetiger
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From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun 10 19:18:52 2010
From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 18:18:52 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Technical list question
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Tom,

You also need to clean off the autox message and headers. Or the system will
only send the message to the original sender provided his email is correct.

Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse
 
-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 2:39 PM
To: Gyroplanes at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Technical list question

Tom 
	You should have a Reply to All button that sends it to everyone.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Gyroplanes at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:35 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Technical list question


I just rejoined this list. When I receive the list e-mails, my reply  
button only replies to the person sending the e-mail and not the entire
list.
 
Did I set something up  wrong?  I have been manually typing  in  
 
_tigers at autox.team.net_ (mailto:tigers at autox.team.net) 
 
To post to the entire list.
 
Tom

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 10 21:50:03 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:50:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] What do I do now?
In-Reply-To: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A0405C635@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <159788.7743.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Theo- do you for see any problems changing an 88 5.0 HO from a Mk7 LSC Lincoln
to a carburetor engine? I don't but while we are talking about %.) engines, I
would like your thoughts and any reccomends. I do plan on having or stroking
another engine from an identical car- it was wrecked before mine was rolled-
man it was a gret ride , would still be driving it, had a ton of power,
factory headers. I never got on it until my son and I had a fight nd I was so
mad I left. I pulled into a street and backed out and nailed it and was I ever
shocked. He was silly enough to stand in the road and dare me to run over him-
drunk people have ero sense as I almost didnt get stopped and I love my son as
much as all our members love their own BUT I dont care or anyone drunk. LOL
Thanks ahead of time Theo
 
TonytheTiger

--- On Thu, 6/10/10, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) <mark.rense at ge.com>
wrote:


From: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) <mark.rense at ge.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now?
To: Gyroplanes at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 12:07 PM


If that is really a '84 block then it will be flat tappet. The first
roller cam engines were in '85, that was also the last year of a
carbureted engine.

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gyroplanes at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:12 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] What do I do now?

I assumed the 1984 5.0 Mustang engine had the roller lifters? I'll find
out  when I pull the intake soon.
Tom

Is your block fitted with roller lifters? If not, then the B303 (or any
other roller cam) will not work for you...

If you don't have a roller  block, then consider either changing to a
newer block or else getting one of  Crane's (or others) roller lifter
cam kits for early blocks. You'll have less  problems using low-additive
oils and make more power to  boot.

Theo
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 10 22:00:29 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 21:00:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Now what do I do?
In-Reply-To: <2dbb4.7658d180.39426c42@aol.com>
Message-ID: <821382.18135.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tom- I have teased about that guy from up north, named Johnson and someone
took me serious- he is very Tiger knowledgeable and more than willing to help-
if he is close enough to drive and meet, you are wasting precious time until
you do meet him. Fine person, great guy and very sharp. IF he only lived in
southern IL. OHHHH I just remembered he is in Ind. now but I'm not sure where
the car is, so U still might be able to meet him. Highest recommend.
TonytheTiger

--- On Thu, 6/10/10, Gyroplanes at aol.com <Gyroplanes at aol.com> wrote:


From: Gyroplanes at aol.com <Gyroplanes at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Now what do I do?
To: achd73 at yahoo.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 11:26 AM



Thanks Tony,
 
There was a guy (Johnson?) up in northern, IL. with a Tiger, but I never got
to meet him.
 
I am looking forward to finishing my restoration after a long hiatus.
 
Thanks again, Tom
 

In a message dated 6/10/2010 10:50:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
achd73 at yahoo.com writes:





GREETINGS from TonytheTiger in Benton, IL. I can help with some??s but there
are guys smarter than me, so I will let them respond. I just wanted to let ya
know you have a Tiger friend down here in southern IL.
warmly,  tonythetiger

From Carmods at aol.com  Fri Jun 11 07:27:56 2010
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:27:56 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Tappets
Message-ID: <217d6.6eedb48b.394393dc@aol.com>

Hi Tom,
 
 
1984  and early 85  5.0 Mustang engine was the last to use flat  tappets.
 
John Logan

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 11 07:41:25 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:41:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re: maybe BAD!!! DON'T OPEN the copy of the original
 that is attached below my email
Message-ID: <51850.59859.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 6/10/10, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:


I sent this to Don and the lIST but never received a copy from the list, so I am removing any junk and resending. I didnt hear back from Don as wll- very concerned it contains a virus, so DO NOT open the link, as I did and I was soon unplugging the power cord and removing my battery as it would not X out. If this is a repeat I apologise - I opened it because I knew Don is a LIST member.
tonythetiger


T-Don- Did you send this? I am afraid I was stupid enough to try to open or run it and then I got a pink warning at the top of the page- also, supposedly from Microsoft I would need "something " to be able to run it added on- to dumb to remember what the add on was BUT then, nothing would stop it, so I unplugged the charger (battery is worn out & junk) and removed the battery so it hopefully caused me to loose everything that was running. It ignored me Xing it closed as well as the add on, then the little rectangle pops up saying it isn't responding, do I want to end now or cancel- well end now just added it to the list of open windows. I have some laptop problems and my Microsoft engineer nephew left on vacation prior to fixing what I messed up, so the only way I can connect is turn off my firewalls- not smart. Please let me know the bad news as I'm certain a bug sent the website, using your email address.
TonytheTiger
Sending a copy to the LIST in case others get this and it is as bad as I am afraid!!!






http://kim1900.pochtamt.ru/evifubo.html
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T

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Fri Jun 11 08:05:46 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:05:46 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] What do I do now?
In-Reply-To: <159788.7743.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A0405C635@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<159788.7743.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06843CCD0F0E@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

You should be able to just put on your favorite intake manifold, carburetor,
distributor and you're good to go. Don't forget to plug the air injection
holes in the rear of the cylinder heads of each bank - hard to do once the
engine is in the car.

Note that if you have a roller cam engine with a Ford cam then you need to use
a steel, bronze or composite distributor gear. Not cast-iron. The gears are
available from Ford or from various aftermarket suppliers like MSD or Crane.
Pressing the gear on should be done with some care and you need to check the
fit and clearances according to the specs or you run the risk of wiping out
the distributor gear and the cam.

Theo


> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody
> Sent: June 10, 2010 9:50 PM
> To: Gyroplanes at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net; Mark (GE Indust
> ConsInd)Rense
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now?
>
> Theo- do you for see any problems changing an 88 5.0 HO from a Mk7 LSC
> Lincoln
> to a carburetor engine? I don't but while we are talking about %.)


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From spook01 at comcast.net  Fri Jun 11 08:46:02 2010
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:46:02 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Water_pump?=
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Who mods the edelbrock water pump so the pullys align?
Or has measurements?
Thanks,
Ray

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: Carmods at aol.com
Date: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 08:27
Subject: [Tigers] Tappets
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>

Hi Tom,
 
 
1984  and early 85  5.0 Mustang engine was the last to use flat  tappets.
 
John Logan
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From dave at munroe.ca  Fri Jun 11 09:54:51 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:54:51 -0300
Subject: [Tigers] What do I do now?
In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06843CCD0F0E@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
References: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A0405C635@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<159788.7743.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06843CCD0F0E@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <27FD31F362824509B5BB971BDC93236D@DavePC>

Theo gives real good advice regarding the choice of the right distributor 
gear. The guy who built (built? more like threw it together!) my engine put 
a bronze gear on my stock distributor to run against a steel roller cam. It 
was almost completely destroyed in <5K miles. The teeth were worn to a 
razor's edge.

Sheer luck had me replacing my stock dizzy with an MSD billet unit, when I 
found the wrecked bronze gear. The MSD unit came with a cast iron gear 
installed, and I could not remove it myself. I took it to my friendly 
machinist, and it took an enormous amount of pressure to shift the gear off 
the shaft, and to install the correct steel gear.

Be aware!

Dave


Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now?


 You should be able to just put on your favorite intake manifold, 
carburetor,
 distributor and you're good to go. Don't forget to plug the air injection
 holes in the rear of the cylinder heads of each bank - hard to do once the
 engine is in the car.

 Note that if you have a roller cam engine with a Ford cam then you need to 
use
 a steel, bronze or composite distributor gear. Not cast-iron. The gears are
 available from Ford or from various aftermarket suppliers like MSD or 
Crane.
 Pressing the gear on should be done with some care and you need to check 
the
 fit and clearances according to the specs or you run the risk of wiping out
 the distributor gear and the cam.

 Theo

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Worn dist gear end2.jpg]

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Worn dist gear side.jpg]

From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Fri Jun 11 10:13:47 2010
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 11:13:47 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger
In-Reply-To: <C836EA2A.366E%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
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	<C836EA2A.366E%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <704A3BBC0A24410A9E19F203E714799B@jerry>

List,

Those of you changing to the Pertronics modules, be sure to check out the
newer Pertronics III, among other things it has a rev limiter.  I've
installed several on Mustangs and they seem to work very well.

They are a little more expensive, but for that once in a lifetime missed
shift and the engine goes to a RPM you've never heard before.  It's cheep
insurance 

Jerry Christopherson
9473187 

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Would U. Believe
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 6:15 PM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com
Cc: 'Smit, Theo'; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger

Ron,

That's good news.  This is the one I have with my MKII engine.  I also have
two Mallory twin point distributors I was thinking about using -- one with
vacuum advance and other not.  So, I plan to use the original distributor
with a Pertronix Ignitor II setup. I have the Ignitor II in my 260 engine's
distributor and the tach works fine.  Thanks!

P.S.  I still owe you all the numbers off the components of my engine(s).
Please rest assured that I won't forget!  Cheers.


On 6/10/10 12:36 AM, "Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

> The MK II, 289 engine: stock distributor is C5AF-12127-M and has vacuum
> advance.
> 
> This is a later style Ford distributor; that means it does not have an oil
> port and the center section has a tri-lobe shape.   Any later style
> distributor will work and you can still buy them from any Mustang or Ford
> car catalog.
> 
> I would use a later style Ford distributor with a Pertronix or similar
> ignition module.  I have used this combination for  almost 20 years now
with
> no problems.
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Would U. Believe
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:57 PM
> To: michael king
> Cc: Smit, Theo; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger
> 
> 
> Michael,
> 
> Stock 3appearance2, not really stock.   All I want are performance
> improvements with stock appearance, but nothing that would cause me to
have
> to make irreversible modifications.  These are my requirements.   What9s
the
> part number for the stock distributor for a MKII Tiger?  Thanks.
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From Gyroplanes at aol.com  Fri Jun 11 10:49:24 2010
From: Gyroplanes at aol.com (Gyroplanes at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:49:24 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Technical list question
Message-ID: <d1368.1598f9d6.3943c314@aol.com>

Thanks for the replies on this. I was receiving private e-mails, while I  
appreciate them, it does defeat the purpose of the list. I'm sure there are 
many  lurkers out there in my exact position and they would benefit from 
public  posting of the replies.
Tanks again al,
Tom Milton
 
 
In a message dated 6/10/2010 4:39:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
rfraser at bluefrog.com writes:

Tom  
You should have a Reply to All button that sends it to  everyone.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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On  Behalf Of Gyroplanes at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:35 PM
To:  tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Technical list  question


I just rejoined this list. When I receive the list  e-mails, my reply  
button only replies to the person sending the  e-mail and not the entire
list.

Did I set something up   wrong?  I have been manually typing  in   

_tigers at autox.team.net_ (mailto:tigers at autox.team.net) 

To post  to the entire  list.

Tom
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From Gyroplanes at aol.com  Fri Jun 11 10:52:55 2010
From: Gyroplanes at aol.com (Gyroplanes at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:52:55 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Now what do I do?
Message-ID: <d1572.1d07632f.3943c3e7@aol.com>

Hi Dave, Good to hear from you again. Very sorry about the car and job. Let 
 me know when you are in Wilmington, I'd love to drive down and meet you 
(maybe  even lend a hand on a two man job)
Good luck, Tom
 
 
In a message dated 6/10/2010 7:25:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
djoh797014 at yahoo.com writes:

Tom
 
I'm the Johnson from Northern IL.  Dave Johnson
now in Indianapolis, IN.  my cell is 630-301-4749.
 
My Tiger was in a severe accident and totalled
6 years ago.  I have repaired the sheet metal and
will paint it this summer.  Then its reassembly
Time over the winter.  The car's in Wilmington, IL
near Kankankee.  I just lost my job and hope to
have time to finish the car.
 
Listers.  Out of work after 4 years consulting.
Anyone in need of an old cantankerliss mainframe
programmer?
 
It looks like is 26 weeks of living off the dole.
 
Dave

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From:  Gyroplanes at aol.com <Gyroplanes at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers]  Now what do I do?
To: achd73 at yahoo.com
Cc:  tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, June 10, 2010, 4:26  PM

Thanks Tony,

There was a guy (Johnson?) up  in northern, IL. with a Tiger, but I never  
got to meet  him.

I am looking forward to finishing my restoration after a  long hiatus.

Thanks again, Tom


In a message dated  6/10/2010 10:50:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
_achd73 at yahoo.com_ 
(http://us.mc1116.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=achd73 at yahoo.com)   writes:

GREETINGS from TonytheTiger in Benton, IL. I can help  with some??s  but 
there are guys smarter than me, so I will  let them respond. I just  wanted 
to 
let ya know you have a  Tiger friend down here in southern   IL.
warmly,   tonythetiger
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From brockctella at juno.com  Fri Jun 11 10:59:31 2010
From: brockctella at juno.com (brockctella at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:59:31 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Engine mounts
Message-ID: <20100611.100023.953.167381@mailpop11.vgs.untd.com>

I replaced my current mounts in 1990 and visually they look like new.
Recently my ""rightside" after market headers(CAT) I think,are resting an
1/8" off the engine mount. When I downshift they rattle against the
mount. I have adjusted the mounts as far as I can for clearance to no
avail. Question, could the mounts have compressed?
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From sganz at pacbell.net  Fri Jun 11 11:30:05 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:30:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Water pump
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Message-ID: <48156.25980.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

You can do it yourself with a small shop press and a socket that pushes down on the flange and lets the shaft go up as you press it. I had a picture but can't seem to find it. I recall making sure I had a block of wood under the impeller to make sure it just did not push down (take backing plate off).

I also ended up pushing it a bit too far down, and don't worry you CAN move it back up with some careful work. All you need to do is get 4 bolts in the flange and slowly go around and tighten them up. The bolts bottom end up being right on the casting face and will allow the flange to put move back up.

It was pretty easy, and I have the edelbrock pump too.

I don't have any measures as I push it as far back as I could where it did not have any rubbing but have not tried with any pulley's as yet.

Sandy




----- Original Message ----
From: "spook01 at comcast.net" <spook01 at comcast.net>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, June 11, 2010 7:46:02 AM
Subject: [Tigers] Water pump

Who mods the edelbrock water pump so the pullys align?
Or has measurements?
Thanks,
Ray

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: Carmods at aol.com
Date: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 08:27
Subject: [Tigers] Tappets
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>

Hi Tom,


1984  and early 85  5.0 Mustang engine was the last to use flat  tappets.

John Logan
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From sganz at pacbell.net  Fri Jun 11 11:37:57 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:37:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] What do I do now?
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I think you need to check the install height of the gear from what I have seen on some other ford boards as some of the MSD's have the gear on where it may not be at the right install height, the last 2 Ford MSD distributors I purchased had a warning to verify install clearances or expect and early gear demise.

I have a composite gear and will see how that work on the motor going in the mustang with a solid roller. Looked iffy but had many people say they are better then the bronze (never had a problem, but only used on a track car).

Sandy



----- Original Message ----
From: Dave Munroe <dave at munroe.ca>
To: "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>; tigers at autox.team.net; Gyroplanes at aol.com
Sent: Fri, June 11, 2010 8:54:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now?

Theo gives real good advice regarding the choice of the right distributor 
gear. The guy who built (built? more like threw it together!) my engine put 
a bronze gear on my stock distributor to run against a steel roller cam. It 
was almost completely destroyed in <5K miles. The teeth were worn to a 
razor's edge.

Sheer luck had me replacing my stock dizzy with an MSD billet unit, when I 
found the wrecked bronze gear. The MSD unit came with a cast iron gear 
installed, and I could not remove it myself. I took it to my friendly 
machinist, and it took an enormous amount of pressure to shift the gear off 
the shaft, and to install the correct steel gear.

Be aware!

Dave


Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now?


You should be able to just put on your favorite intake manifold, 
carburetor,
distributor and you're good to go. Don't forget to plug the air injection
holes in the rear of the cylinder heads of each bank - hard to do once the
engine is in the car.

Note that if you have a roller cam engine with a Ford cam then you need to 
use
a steel, bronze or composite distributor gear. Not cast-iron. The gears are
available from Ford or from various aftermarket suppliers like MSD or 
Crane.
Pressing the gear on should be done with some care and you need to check 
the
fit and clearances according to the specs or you run the risk of wiping out
the distributor gear and the cam.

Theo

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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Fri Jun 11 11:48:40 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:48:40 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] What do I do now?
In-Reply-To: <826673.88028.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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The MSD gears come with detailed installation instructions. The installed
height is something they want you to get correct to within 0.004 inch or so.
<http://www.msdignition.com/uploadedfiles/MSDIgnitioncom/Products/Distributor
s/gear%20install_frm28590.pdf>
I also got one of the Crane composite gears but haven't installed it... as
Sandy said, supposedly these are better than bronze gears.

The benefit (?) of a bronze or composite gear is that if there is a problem,
then you know that the cam will win and the worst thing that happens is you
have to flush a bunch of bronze flakes out of the bottom of the pan. If there
is a problem with the steel gear, then nobody wins. But at least the dross
that comes off that failure is magnetic so it will be captured by your
magnetic drain plug...

Theo


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandy Ganz [mailto:sganz at pacbell.net]
> Sent: June 11, 2010 11:38 AM
> To: Dave Munroe; Smit, Theo; tigers at autox.team.net; Gyroplanes at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now?
>
> I think you need to check the install height of the gear from what I
> have seen on some other ford boards as some of the MSD's have the gear
> on where it may not be at the right install height, the last 2 Ford MSD
> distributors I purchased had a warning to verify install clearances or
> expect and early gear demise.
>
> I have a composite gear and will see how that work on the motor going
> in the mustang with a solid roller. Looked iffy but had many people say
> they are better then the bronze (never had a problem, but only used on
> a track car).
>
> Sandy

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From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Fri Jun 11 13:15:39 2010
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:15:39 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] What do I do now?
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Sandy,

Have you run across the issue of "wimpy" roll pins?

bt
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sandy Ganz" <sganz at pacbell.net>
To: "Dave Munroe" <dave at munroe.ca>; "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>; 
<tigers at autox.team.net>; <Gyroplanes at aol.com>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now?


>I think you need to check the install height of the gear from what I have 
>seen on some other ford boards as some of the MSD's have the gear on where 
>it may not be at the right install height, the last 2 Ford MSD distributors 
>I purchased had a warning to verify install clearances or expect and early 
>gear demise.
>
> I have a composite gear and will see how that work on the motor going in 
> the mustang with a solid roller. Looked iffy but had many people say they 
> are better then the bronze (never had a problem, but only used on a track 
> car).
>
> Sandy

From dave at munroe.ca  Fri Jun 11 13:30:14 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:30:14 -0300
Subject: [Tigers] Water pump
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I moved my Stewart water pump flange as well. I used a short steel rod that 
just fit into the center hole of the impeller, bottomed the rod in my small 
garage press, slipped a large washer over the shaft up against the flange, 
used a socket that just fit over the shaft, and pressed. It took a fair 
amount of pressure to start it moving, then it let go and the pressure was 
manageable after that.

I took the measurement from my stock pump that had been on the car for 
seemingly "ever". From the mounting surface of the pump to the face of the 
flange measured 4 15/16ths inch.

This is the Stewart stock replacement water pump WITHOUT a backing plate, 
part #16103.

Best of luck with yours.

Dave


 ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sandy Ganz" <sganz at pacbell.net>
To: <spook01 at comcast.net>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water pump


> You can do it yourself with a small shop press and a socket that pushes 
> down on the flange and lets the shaft go up as you press it. I had a 
> picture but can't seem to find it. I recall making sure I had a block of 
> wood under the impeller to make sure it just did not push down (take 
> backing plate off).
>
> I also ended up pushing it a bit too far down, and don't worry you CAN 
> move it back up with some careful work. All you need to do is get 4 bolts 
> in the flange and slowly go around and tighten them up. The bolts bottom 
> end up being right on the casting face and will allow the flange to put 
> move back up.
>
> It was pretty easy, and I have the edelbrock pump too.
>
> I don't have any measures as I push it as far back as I could where it did 
> not have any rubbing but have not tried with any pulley's as yet.
>
> Sandy
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "spook01 at comcast.net" <spook01 at comcast.net>
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent: Fri, June 11, 2010 7:46:02 AM
> Subject: [Tigers] Water pump
>
> Who mods the edelbrock water pump so the pullys align?
> Or has measurements?
> Thanks,
> Ray
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: Carmods at aol.com
> Date: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 08:27
> Subject: [Tigers] Tappets
> To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
>
> Hi Tom,
>
>
> 1984  and early 85  5.0 Mustang engine was the last to use flat  tappets.
>
> John Logan
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From Rollright at aol.com  Fri Jun 11 13:35:45 2010
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:35:45 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug
Message-ID: <1b1b3.2be2b343.3943ea11@aol.com>

Hello,
 
Thanks to whoever mentioned the magnetic drain plug !
 
Where can I get one? Is any plug stronger/better than  others?
 
Its the sort of thing I think of in the winter when the car is in "away"  
storage.
 
Thanks in advance.
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE

From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Fri Jun 11 13:56:20 2010
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:56:20 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] What do I do now?
In-Reply-To: <27FD31F362824509B5BB971BDC93236D@DavePC>
References: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A0405C635@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com><159788.7743.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com><47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06843CCD0F0E@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
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Message-ID: <D2C38007243B4496AFCE14B3BA0B2080@jerry>

Ya, you pretty much need a puller and a press to change out those gears.
Like every one is saying, steel on steel and cast on cast, not withstanding
the new very expensive composite gear, I would imagine it could be used on
either, but don't know.

Jerry Christopherson
9473187

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Dave Munroe
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:55 AM
To: Smit, Theo; tigers at autox.team.net; Gyroplanes at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now?

Theo gives real good advice regarding the choice of the right distributor 
gear. The guy who built (built? more like threw it together!) my engine put 
a bronze gear on my stock distributor to run against a steel roller cam. It 
was almost completely destroyed in <5K miles. The teeth were worn to a 
razor's edge.

Sheer luck had me replacing my stock dizzy with an MSD billet unit, when I 
found the wrecked bronze gear. The MSD unit came with a cast iron gear 
installed, and I could not remove it myself. I took it to my friendly 
machinist, and it took an enormous amount of pressure to shift the gear off 
the shaft, and to install the correct steel gear.

Be aware!

Dave


Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now?


 You should be able to just put on your favorite intake manifold, 
carburetor,
 distributor and you're good to go. Don't forget to plug the air injection
 holes in the rear of the cylinder heads of each bank - hard to do once the
 engine is in the car.

 Note that if you have a roller cam engine with a Ford cam then you need to 
use
 a steel, bronze or composite distributor gear. Not cast-iron. The gears are
 available from Ford or from various aftermarket suppliers like MSD or 
Crane.
 Pressing the gear on should be done with some care and you need to check 
the
 fit and clearances according to the specs or you run the risk of wiping out
 the distributor gear and the cam.

 Theo

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of
Worn dist gear end2.jpg]

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of
Worn dist gear side.jpg]
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Fri Jun 11 14:44:50 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:44:50 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug
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Guilty as charged... The plug I have came with the Canton oil pan. You can
easily make one by drilling into your existing drain plug (from the inside)
and putting in a 1/4"diameter x 1/8" rare earth magnet. You won't have to
worry about losing the magnet in the oil pan...

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com
> Sent: June 11, 2010 1:36 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug
>
> Hello,
>
> Thanks to whoever mentioned the magnetic drain plug !
>


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From sganz at pacbell.net  Fri Jun 11 16:44:43 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:44:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] What do I do now?
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No, have not ever had a problem with the roll pins, but they may all have been replaced after the gears get change since I get the bronze or plastic added later to the stock-o units.

Sandy




----- Original Message ----
From: Buck Trippel <BuckTrippel at Verizon.net>
To: Sandy Ganz <sganz at pacbell.net>; tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, June 11, 2010 12:15:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now?

Sandy,

Have you run across the issue of "wimpy" roll pins?

bt
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Ganz" <sganz at pacbell.net>
To: "Dave Munroe" <dave at munroe.ca>; "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>; <tigers at autox.team.net>; <Gyroplanes at aol.com>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] What do I do now?


> I think you need to check the install height of the gear from what I have seen on some other ford boards as some of the MSD's have the gear on where it may not be at the right install height, the last 2 Ford MSD distributors I purchased had a warning to verify install clearances or expect and early gear demise.
> 
> I have a composite gear and will see how that work on the motor going in the mustang with a solid roller. Looked iffy but had many people say they are better then the bronze (never had a problem, but only used on a track car).
> 
> Sandy

From v8tracker at gmail.com  Fri Jun 11 18:54:19 2010
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:54:19 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Distributors and firing order
Message-ID: <91036B2584BD4A31B67D9C496E8587F5@DellD4700>

Group,

While on the subject of distributors, this may be the right time for a short
recap of small block Ford firing orders. The 221, 289, 302, pre-HO 5.0 and
all truck 5.0's used 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8 while the Mustang HO5.0's used the 351
firing order of 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8. The 302 and 5.0 blocks are the same, just a
marketing name change.

Ford used roller lifters in its truck and SUV 5.0's even though they were
not designated "HO" and used the 1-5-4 firing order. Full size Fords,
Lincolns and Mercurys using 5.0's would have also used the 1-5-4 order
unless the engines were designated as HO5.0's. 

The Ford letter cams (B303, E303, etc.) and most current aftermarket
performance cams are designed for the 1-3-7 firing order. It is no problem
to change the firing order of your carbed engine. Just be sure you know what
firing order the cam is designed for and run your spark plug wires
accordingly. Fuel injected engines would probably require more changes.

Roller lifters are so superior and there are so many roller lifter 302/5.0
engine cores out there that using a flat tappet engine now seems to be more
a matter of personal choice than a matter of cost.

Incidentally, most junk yards think Mustang engines, being HO5.0's, are
worth more than the 5.0's in pick-ups, Broncos and Explorers. If you are
planning a rebuild anyway, especially if you will be using an aftermarket
cam, you may be able to save some money by buying a non-Mustang roller
lifter engine.

HTH,
A. C. Tynes
New Orleans

From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 11 20:48:05 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 19:48:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger
In-Reply-To: <704A3BBC0A24410A9E19F203E714799B@jerry>
Message-ID: <170832.4245.qm@web111615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

The late Steve Yates of IN SAAC was up at Road American in his one of a kind
Shelby 350S.  He kept blowing head gaskets.  Lots of steam no damage.
He finally borrowed a camera nad put in the back seat.  It revealed the
problem.  When running at full power coming into the hair pin that runs
uphill, he would downshift to 2nd and floor it through the turn.  The camera
clearly showed the tach was over 10K.  Not many Ford V8s will
run 10K.  Its not a VTEC Honda.
 
When asked how he could be driving such a rare car Steve's response
'Ask Shelby.  His cars are meant to be driven'.  That was Steve all over.
 
Keep you RPMs in mid when downshifting.
 
Steve was a great Tiger supporter and his wife had an early black dasj
Tiger that I worked on.  She traded the Tiger for an original Shelby 289
Cobra and has kept Steve's 350S.
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From: Jerry & Maureen (Mo) <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger
To: "'Would U. Believe'" <mcdangerous at verizon.net>, rfraser at bluefrog.com
Cc: "'Smit, Theo'" <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, June 11, 2010, 4:13 PM


List,

Those of you changing to the Pertronics modules, be sure to check out the
newer Pertronics III, among other things it has a rev limiter.  I've
installed several on Mustangs and they seem to work very well.

They are a little more expensive, but for that once in a lifetime missed
shift and the engine goes to a RPM you've never heard before.  It's cheep
insurance

Jerry Christopherson
9473187

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Would U. Believe
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 6:15 PM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com
Cc: 'Smit, Theo'; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger

Ron,

That's good news.  This is the one I have with my MKII engine.  I also have
two Mallory twin point distributors I was thinking about using -- one with
vacuum advance and other not.  So, I plan to use the original distributor
with a Pertronix Ignitor II setup. I have the Ignitor II in my 260 engine's
distributor and the tach works fine.  Thanks!

P.S.  I still owe you all the numbers off the components of my engine(s).
Please rest assured that I won't forget!  Cheers.


On 6/10/10 12:36 AM, "Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

> The MK II, 289 engine: stock distributor is C5AF-12127-M and has vacuum
> advance.
>
> This is a later style Ford distributor; that means it does not have an oil
> port and the center section has a tri-lobe shape.   Any later style
> distributor will work and you can still buy them from any Mustang or Ford
> car catalog.
>
> I would use a later style Ford distributor with a Pertronix or similar
> ignition module.  I have used this combination for  almost 20 years now
with
> no problems.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Would U. Believe
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 7:57 PM
> To: michael king
> Cc: Smit, Theo; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger
>
>
> Michael,
>
> Stock 3appearance2, not really stock.   All I want are performance
> improvements with stock appearance, but nothing that would cause me to
have
> to make irreversible modifications.  These are my requirements.   What9s
the
> part number for the stock distributor for a MKII Tiger?  Thanks.
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 12 00:21:30 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 23:21:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Distributors and firing order
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THANKS- Great post. I have a couple 5.0HO engines from MK7 LSC Lincolns, now I will keep an eye on the trucks as well.
TtT




________________________________
From: A. C. Tynes <v8tracker at gmail.com>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, June 11, 2010 7:54:19 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Distributors and firing order

Group,

While on the subject of distributors, this may be the right time for a short
recap of small block Ford firing orders. The 221, 289, 302, pre-HO 5.0 and
all truck 5.0's used 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8 while the Mustang HO5.0's used the 351
firing order of 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8. The 302 and 5.0 blocks are the same, just a
marketing name change.

Ford used roller lifters in its truck and SUV 5.0's even though they were
not designated "HO" and used the 1-5-4 firing order. Full size Fords,
Lincolns and Mercurys using 5.0's would have also used the 1-5-4 order
unless the engines were designated as HO5.0's. 

The Ford letter cams (B303, E303, etc.) and most current aftermarket
performance cams are designed for the 1-3-7 firing order. It is no problem
to change the firing order of your carbed engine. Just be sure you know what
firing order the cam is designed for and run your spark plug wires
accordingly. Fuel injected engines would probably require more changes.

Roller lifters are so superior and there are so many roller lifter 302/5.0
engine cores out there that using a flat tappet engine now seems to be more
a matter of personal choice than a matter of cost.

Incidentally, most junk yards think Mustang engines, being HO5.0's, are
worth more than the 5.0's in pick-ups, Broncos and Explorers. If you are
planning a rebuild anyway, especially if you will be using an aftermarket
cam, you may be able to save some money by buying a non-Mustang roller
lifter engine.

HTH,
A. C. Tynes
New Orleans
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 12 06:32:03 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 05:32:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Begging for post replys
Message-ID: <298053.27141.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I need some help in proving or disproving a question. Do you think there are many used pristine Tiger parts available within our or any group? If a Tiger engine set outside, uncovered, would one think the oil breather might rust part of the Ford logo off the original piece, so that when lightly sanded to remove rust, that the missing part of the logo was most likely eaten by rust or by me, doing my best to NOT remove the logo? Also, do you think there are many pristine breather caps available to buy? Or just original ones that are not pristine. Lastly, do you think there are many Tiger specific partsavailable peorid. I would appreciated a posted reply from all members.
thanks in advance.
TonytheTiger

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Sat Jun 12 07:18:22 2010
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:18:22 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug
Message-ID: <4C13891E.5050704@roadrunner.com>

Jim:

You can easily magnetise your drain plug.  The next time there is a 
thunderstorm in your area, climb to a high place.  Hold the drain plug 
in your hand over your head.  Wait patiently.  The answer to your 
problem will come in a flash.  Or you could try Theo's solution.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Sat Jun 12 08:31:54 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 10:31:54 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Begging for post replies
In-Reply-To: <298053.27141.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C839129A.36D2%mcdangerous@verizon.net>

My reply is based on my own experiences.  There are really aggressive ways
to remove rust, and there are less aggressive, yet very effective, ways to
remove rust.  Obviously, if a part is very rusty, there is little hope that
small details like the logo on Ford oil breather caps will survive.  To a
finicky person like me, these corroded and repainted parts may be usable but
possibly only as spares or as temporary patches.  If I had to, I would use
"electrolytic methods" or even a wire brush on delicate, soft metal parts,
but almost never sandpaper discs or a grinder, unless the part is garbage
and a temporary fix.

As to whether there are NOS, pristine, or used Tiger oil caps available out
there, the answer is yes.  For instance, there is a guy out there who seems
to have an endless supply and often sells very nice or NOS ones on eBay for
about $50 or less (orr4sale?).

As to whether there are Tiger-specific parts generally available, the answer
is absolutely yes, of course.  Not only are there used parts, but there are
actually NOS, pristine, remanufactured parts out there all day long.  Guys
in the business, like Bill Martin, Doug Jennings, Dale A., etc., often have
hard to find parts available, thankfully. There are also many private owners
who often sell or trade super cool parts for Tigers.  I've purchased many
near-perfect rare LAT parts from private sellers. Of course, there are also
new reproduction parts that are being sold by Classic Sunbeam and Sunbeam
Specialties too. 

I hope that helps.


   


On 6/12/10 8:32 AM, "Tony Somebody" <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I need some help in proving or disproving a question. Do you think there are
> many used pristine Tiger parts available within our or any group? If a Tiger
> engine set outside, uncovered, would one think the oil breather might rust
> part of the Ford logo off the original piece, so that when lightly sanded to
> remove rust, that the missing part of the logo was most likely eaten by rust
> or by me, doing my best to NOT remove the logo? Also, do you think there are
> many pristine breather caps available to buy? Or just original ones that are
> not pristine. Lastly, do you think there are many Tiger specific
> partsavailable peorid. I would appreciated a posted reply from all members.
> thanks in advance.
> TonytheTiger
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From spook01 at comcast.net  Sat Jun 12 08:37:47 2010
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 10:37:47 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?magnetic_drain_plug?=
Message-ID: <20100612143643.8561218787A@autox.team.net>

Or fly a kite in a thunderstorm with the drain plug depending beneath. 
This is the traditional method!

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
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Date: Sat, Jun 12, 2010 09:18
Subject: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug
To: <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>, <rollright at aol.com>

Jim:

You can easily magnetise your drain plug.  The next time there is a 
thunderstorm in your area, climb to a high place.  Hold the drain plug 
in your hand over your head.  Wait patiently.  The answer to your 
problem will come in a flash.  Or you could try Theo's solution.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE
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From cjcoffel at sonic.net  Sat Jun 12 09:26:06 2010
From: cjcoffel at sonic.net (cjcoffel at sonic.net)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 08:26:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] New master cylinder brake stuck
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Just put a new master brake cyinder in my teiger and it wont build
pressure. Feels like it's stuck at the bottom. Is there an easy way to
unstick it?

Chris

From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Sat Jun 12 09:35:29 2010
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 11:35:29 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug
Message-ID: <2b746.15c4dcff.39450341@aol.com>

_http://www.amazon.com/Wiha-40010-Magnetizer-or-Demagnetizer/dp/B00018AONE_ 
(http://www.amazon.com/Wiha-40010-Magnetizer-or-Demagnetizer/dp/B00018AONE) 
 
This would be a little safer.
 
 
In a message dated 6/12/2010 8:21:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
spook01 at comcast.net writes:

Or fly a  kite in a thunderstorm with the drain plug depending beneath. 
This is the  traditional method!

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

-----  Reply message -----
From: "Tod Brown"  <todbrown at roadrunner.com>
Date: Sat, Jun 12, 2010 09:18
Subject:  [Tigers] magnetic drain plug
To: <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>,  <rollright at aol.com>

Jim:

You can easily magnetise your  drain plug.  The next time there is a 
thunderstorm in your area,  climb to a high place.  Hold the drain plug 
in your hand over your  head.  Wait patiently.  The answer to your 
problem will come in  a flash.  Or you could try Theo's  solution.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Jun 12 11:03:23 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:03:23 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] New master cylinder brake stuck
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Chris
	There should be a spring in the bottom of the bore pushing the
piston back.
You might be able to lightly tap on the Master to get it to move back.
You might need to use some light air pressure to move the piston back; you
will have to remove the brake line for this.

You might want to contact where you bought the master to see if they now of
this problem; if so return it for a good one.

No matter what this is a poor condition and I would take the master back out
and examine it.  I did have a poor return spring in my Master some years
ago.  I found a new spring and rebuilt the master.

Ron Fraser


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Subject: [Tigers] New master cylinder brake stuck


Just put a new master brake cyinder in my teiger and it wont build pressure.
Feels like it's stuck at the bottom. Is there an easy way to unstick it?

Chris
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From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Sat Jun 12 15:02:06 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 17:02:06 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] New master cylinder brake stuck
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Hi all.  I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about the alternator/belt
adjustment bracket of the MKII Tiger.  I have the original MKII alternator
bracket, but my flat adjustment bracket/bar that seems to be the wrong one.
I think it's a bit short and angled wrong because it seems to interfere with
the alternator fan.  Does anyone know which part would interchange (Ford
Falcon/Mustang/Galaxie, etc.  Anyone?  Thanks in advance for the
information.  


On 6/12/10 1:03 PM, "Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

> Chris
> There should be a spring in the bottom of the bore pushing the
> piston back.
> You might be able to lightly tap on the Master to get it to move back.
> You might need to use some light air pressure to move the piston back; you
> will have to remove the brake line for this.
> 
> You might want to contact where you bought the master to see if they now of
> this problem; if so return it for a good one.
> 
> No matter what this is a poor condition and I would take the master back out
> and examine it.  I did have a poor return spring in my Master some years
> ago.  I found a new spring and rebuilt the master.
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of cjcoffel at sonic.net
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 11:26 AM
> To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> Cc: rollright at aol.com; tigers at Autox.Team.Net; Tod Brown
> Subject: [Tigers] New master cylinder brake stuck
> 
> 
> Just put a new master brake cyinder in my teiger and it wont build pressure.
> Feels like it's stuck at the bottom. Is there an easy way to unstick it?
> 
> Chris
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From porsche911E at verizon.net  Sat Jun 12 16:20:02 2010
From: porsche911E at verizon.net (Would U. Believe)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:20:02 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] MKII Alternator Adjustment Arm
In-Reply-To: <C8396E0E.36E0%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <C8398052.36E4%porsche911E@verizon.net>

Hi all.  I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about the alternator/belt
adjustment bracket of the MKII Tiger.  I have the original MKII alternator
bracket, but my flat adjustment bracket/bar that seems to be the wrong one.
I think it's a bit short and angled wrong because it seems to interfere with
the alternator fan.  Does anyone know which part would interchange (Ford
Falcon/Mustang/Galaxie, etc.  Anyone?  Thanks in advance for the
information.  

From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Jun 12 16:34:59 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:34:59 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] New master cylinder brake stuck
Message-ID: <4059c.25ee331a.39456593@aol.com>

I'm sure others will tell you, but I thought that  it was a "Tiger Only" 
part. And since the earlier Tigers had a generator  and you have an 
alternator, that could make it a "tiger, MKII" only  part.
 
I've looked at a bunch of other 60's70's Ford  applications and the engine 
bays were always  much wider engine   and the alternator was mounted down 
low. That didn't seem possible in a  Tiger. So, nothing I ever saw would work. 
If someone knows of an  application that would work, I'd love to know it.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 6/12/2010 5:56:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mcdangerous at verizon.net writes:

Hi  all.  I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about the  alternator/belt
adjustment bracket of the MKII Tiger.  I have the  original MKII alternator
bracket, but my flat adjustment bracket/bar that  seems to be the wrong one.
I think it's a bit short and angled wrong  because it seems to interfere 
with
the alternator fan.  Does anyone  know which part would interchange (Ford
Falcon/Mustang/Galaxie, etc.   Anyone?  Thanks in advance for the
information.  


On  6/12/10 1:03 PM, "Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

>  Chris
> There should be a spring in the bottom of the bore pushing  the
> piston back.
> You might be able to lightly tap on the  Master to get it to move back.
> You might need to use some light air  pressure to move the piston back; 
you
> will have to remove the brake  line for this.
> 
> You might want to contact where you bought the  master to see if they now 
of
> this problem; if so return it for a good  one.
> 
> No matter what this is a poor condition and I would take  the master back 
out
> and examine it.  I did have a poor return  spring in my Master some years
> ago.  I found a new spring and  rebuilt the master.
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> 
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net  
[mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of  cjcoffel at sonic.net
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> To:  tigers at Autox.Team.Net
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> Subject: [Tigers] New master cylinder brake stuck
>  
> 
> Just put a new master brake cyinder in my teiger and it wont  build 
pressure.
> Feels like it's stuck at the bottom. Is there an easy  way to unstick it?
> 
> Chris
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Jun 12 16:36:12 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:36:12 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] New master cylinder brake stuck
Message-ID: <40658.4f05f68d.394565dc@aol.com>

There are a few brackets made by the usual Tiger  suppliers, but they don't 
come cheap.
M
 
 
In a message dated 6/12/2010 5:56:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mcdangerous at verizon.net writes:

Hi  all.  I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about the  alternator/belt
adjustment bracket of the MKII Tiger.  I have the  original MKII alternator
bracket, but my flat adjustment bracket/bar that  seems to be the wrong one.
I think it's a bit short and angled wrong  because it seems to interfere 
with
the alternator fan.  Does anyone  know which part would interchange (Ford
Falcon/Mustang/Galaxie, etc.   Anyone?  Thanks in advance for the
information.  


On  6/12/10 1:03 PM, "Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

>  Chris
> There should be a spring in the bottom of the bore pushing  the
> piston back.
> You might be able to lightly tap on the  Master to get it to move back.
> You might need to use some light air  pressure to move the piston back; 
you
> will have to remove the brake  line for this.
> 
> You might want to contact where you bought the  master to see if they now 
of
> this problem; if so return it for a good  one.
> 
> No matter what this is a poor condition and I would take  the master back 
out
> and examine it.  I did have a poor return  spring in my Master some years
> ago.  I found a new spring and  rebuilt the master.
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> 
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net  
[mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of  cjcoffel at sonic.net
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 11:26 AM
> To:  tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> Cc: rollright at aol.com; tigers at Autox.Team.Net;  Tod Brown
> Subject: [Tigers] New master cylinder brake stuck
>  
> 
> Just put a new master brake cyinder in my teiger and it wont  build 
pressure.
> Feels like it's stuck at the bottom. Is there an easy  way to unstick it?
> 
> Chris
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From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Sat Jun 12 16:42:24 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:42:24 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Alternator Adjustment Arm / Fan Belt
In-Reply-To: <4059c.25ee331a.39456593@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C8398590.36E8%mcdangerous@verizon.net>

Thanks.  I actually have the bracket that the alternator mounts to.  This is
a Tiger 2 only part.  What I think I don9t have is the right arm that bolts
between the water pump and the bottom of the alternator.  This is the one
that lets you tighten the fan belt.  I wonder if my problem is that my fan
belt is too long.  Anyone know the correct or usable length of the fan belt?
Thanks.


On 6/12/10 6:34 PM, "CoolVT at aol.com" <CoolVT at aol.com> wrote:

> I'm sure others will tell you, but I thought that it was a "Tiger Only"
part.
> And since the earlier Tigers had a generator and you have an alternator,
that
> could make it a "tiger, MKII" only part.
>
> I've looked at a bunch of other 60's70's Ford applications and the engine
bays
> were always  much wider engine  and the alternator was mounted down low.
That
> didn't seem possible in a Tiger. So, nothing I ever saw would work. If
someone
> knows of an application that would work, I'd love to know it.
> Mark
>
> In a message dated 6/12/2010 5:56:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> mcdangerous at verizon.net writes:
>> Hi  all.  I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about the
alternator/belt
>> adjustment bracket of the MKII Tiger.  I have the  original MKII
alternator
>> bracket, but my flat adjustment bracket/bar that  seems to be the wrong
one.
>> I think it's a bit short and angled wrong  because it seems to interfere
with
>> the alternator fan.  Does anyone  know which part would interchange (Ford
>> Falcon/Mustang/Galaxie, etc.   Anyone?  Thanks in advance for the
>> information.
>>
>>
>> On  6/12/10 1:03 PM, "Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
>>
>>> >  Chris
>>> > There should be a spring in the bottom of the bore pushing  the
>>> > piston back.
>>> > You might be able to lightly tap on the  Master to get it to move back.
>>> > You might need to use some light air  pressure to move the piston back;
>>> you
>>> > will have to remove the brake  line for this.
>>> >
>>> > You might want to contact where you bought the  master to see if they
now
>>> of
>>> > this problem; if so return it for a good  one.
>>> >
>>> > No matter what this is a poor condition and I would take  the master
back
>>> out
>>> > and examine it.  I did have a poor return  spring in my Master some
years
>>> > ago.  I found a new spring and  rebuilt the master.
>>> >
>>> > Ron Fraser
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >  -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
>>> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
>>> > On Behalf Of  cjcoffel at sonic.net
>>> > Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 11:26 AM
>>> > To:  tigers at Autox.Team.Net
>>> > Cc: rollright at aol.com; tigers at Autox.Team.Net;  Tod Brown
>>> > Subject: [Tigers] New master cylinder brake stuck
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Just put a new master brake cyinder in my teiger and it wont  build
>>> pressure.
>>> > Feels like it's stuck at the bottom. Is there an easy  way to unstick
it?
>>> >
>>> > Chris
>>> >  _______________________________________________
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Jun 13 06:21:20 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 08:21:20 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Alternator Adjustment Arm / Fan Belt
In-Reply-To: <C8398590.36E8%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <2488DD92F2B543039748398927BA9376@ronpc1>

The Rootes Parts manual shows the same part number for the generator arm and
the alternator arm.

6100022    Arm Adjusting LHD    C4JZ-10145-A    Tiger only part looking at
that Ford part number
6100022    Arm Adjusting Alternator
That surprises me but I don't have both these arms to compare.

6100024    Fan belt Generator LHD   C2OZ-8620-E

6100853    Fan Belt Alternator

The alternator belt is different and I don't know the length of either belt.

I would suggest that you hook up the arm to the alternator, adjust to the
lowest position and measure the length around all the pulleys then buy a
belt close to that length.   If you can adjust the alternator for tension on
the belt your done.

I went through several iteration of belts when I did my alternator
conversion until I got a belt that worked correctly for me.   The guy at the
parts store was patient with me.   I told him what I was doing and he
exchanged the belts and cash differences with a smile.

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: Would U. Believe [mailto:mcdangerous at verizon.net]
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 6:42 PM
To: CoolVT at aol.com; rfraser at bluefrog.com; tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: Alternator Adjustment Arm / Fan Belt


Thanks.  I actually have the bracket that the alternator mounts to.  This is
a Tiger 2 only part.  What I think I don't have is the right arm that bolts
between the water pump and the bottom of the alternator.  This is the one
that lets you tighten the fan belt.  I wonder if my problem is that my fan
belt is too long.  Anyone know the correct or usable length of the fan belt?
Thanks.

From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Sun Jun 13 06:40:08 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 08:40:08 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Alternator Adjustment Arm / Fan Belt
In-Reply-To: <2488DD92F2B543039748398927BA9376@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <C83A49E8.36FD%mcdangerous@verizon.net>

Thanks Ron.  Much appreciated.  I think the trial and error method will be
the only way to get the belt length right.  I have the belt that came with
my engine, but without the right adjustment arm, I can9t tell if it is
right.  I have an adjustment arm off an old Ford (Fairlane or Falcon) but
beyond having the wrong angle, making it interfere with the alternator fan,
I think it might also be too short.  So I can tighten the belt only to the
point where it won9t fall off the pulleys (nowhere near tight enough).  I9ve
located a Tiger adjustment arm, so when that arrives, I9ll check on the belt
length and let you know what I find works.  I9m amazed how many Tiger parts
are out there, considering how few of these cars were built and how few
people even know what the car is when they see it.   Thanks again.




On 6/13/10 8:21 AM, "Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

> The Rootes Parts manual shows the same part number for the generator arm
and
> the alternator arm.
>
> 6100022    Arm Adjusting LHD    C4JZ-10145-A    Tiger only part looking at
> that Ford part number
> 6100022    Arm Adjusting Alternator
> That surprises me but I don't have both these arms to compare.
>
> 6100024    Fan belt Generator LHD   C2OZ-8620-E
>
> 6100853    Fan Belt Alternator
>
> The alternator belt is different and I don't know the length of either
belt.
>
> I would suggest that you hook up the arm to the alternator, adjust to the
> lowest position and measure the length around all the pulleys then buy a
belt
> close to that length.   If you can adjust the alternator for tension on the
> belt your done.
>
> I went through several iteration of belts when I did my alternator
conversion
> until I got a belt that worked correctly for me.   The guy at the parts
store
> was patient with me.   I told him what I was doing and he exchanged the
belts
> and cash differences with a smile.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Would U. Believe  [mailto:mcdangerous at verizon.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 6:42  PM
>> To: CoolVT at aol.com; rfraser at bluefrog.com;  tigers at Autox.Team.Net
>> Subject: Alternator Adjustment Arm / Fan  Belt
>>
>> Thanks.  I actually have the bracket that the  alternator mounts to.  This
is
>> a Tiger 2 only part.  What I think I  don9t have is the right arm that
bolts
>> between the water pump and the bottom  of the alternator.  This is the one
>> that lets you tighten the fan belt.   I wonder if my problem is that my
fan
>> belt is too long.  Anyone  know the correct or usable length of the fan
belt?
>> Thanks.

From Rollright at aol.com  Sun Jun 13 10:00:24 2010
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 12:00:24 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug /US Magnet source
Message-ID: <10acf.70e51d2d.39465a98@aol.com>

Hello,
 
As usual, Theo has been very helpful, but his country of residence makes  
purchasing from the sources he provided a bit of a hurdle. All hail the Maple 
 Leaf and the beaver.
 
BTW: I've found a US source for all kinds of magnets (neodymium,  
samarium-cobalt, alnico, and ceramic) in all shapes and sizes. Nice site, nice  
source: _http://www.magnetsource.com_ (http://www.magnetsource.com/) 
 
Further, the kindness shown by "spook" and Maine resident Mr. Tod Brown is  
truly humbling.
I can only hope to help Mr. Brown in a similar fashion, very very  soon.
 
Yours for the sport,
 

Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE

From sganz at pacbell.net  Sun Jun 13 12:15:17 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 11:15:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug /US Magnet source
In-Reply-To: <10acf.70e51d2d.39465a98@aol.com>
References: <10acf.70e51d2d.39465a98@aol.com>
Message-ID: <436070.44481.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just incase you don't want to make your own (I'm about doing my own thing
too), you can get them at Summit/Jeg and some auto parts stores have them for
about 5 bucks. 

Sandy



----- Original Message ----
From:
"Rollright at aol.com" <Rollright at aol.com>
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Sent: Sun,
June 13, 2010 9:00:24 AM
Subject: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug /US Magnet
source

Hello,

As usual, Theo has been very helpful, but his country of
residence makes  
purchasing from the sources he provided a bit of a hurdle.
All hail the Maple 
Leaf and the beaver.

BTW: I've found a US source for all
kinds of magnets (neodymium,  
samarium-cobalt, alnico, and ceramic) in all
shapes and sizes. Nice site, nice  
source: _http://www.magnetsource.com_
(http://www.magnetsource.com/) 

Further, the kindness shown by "spook" and
Maine resident Mr. Tod Brown is  
truly humbling.
I can only hope to help Mr.
Brown in a similar fashion, very very  soon.

Yours for the sport,


Jim 
Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE
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From marcsmall at comcast.net  Sun Jun 13 12:35:47 2010
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 14:35:47 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug /US Magnet source
In-Reply-To: <10acf.70e51d2d.39465a98@aol.com>
References: <10acf.70e51d2d.39465a98@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20100613184436.919CA18765F@autox.team.net>

At 12:00 PM 6/13/2010, Rollright at aol.com wrote:
 >Hello,
 >
 >As usual, Theo has been very helpful, but his country of residence makes
 >purchasing from the sources he provided a bit
of a hurdle. All hail the Maple
 > Leaf and the beaver.
 >
 >BTW: I've found a US source for all kinds of magnets (neodymium,
 >samarium-cobalt, alnico, and ceramic) in all shapes and sizes. Nice
 >site, nice
 >source: _http://www.magnetsource.com_ (http://www.magnetsource.com/)
 >
 >Further, the kindness shown by "spook" and Maine resident Mr. Tod Brown is
 >truly humbling.
 >I can only hope to help Mr. Brown in a similar fashion, very very  soon.


It would strike me that Edmund Scientific or its
Canadian equivalent would be the first place to check.

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!

From dave at munroe.ca  Sun Jun 13 12:46:14 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:46:14 -0300
Subject: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug /US Magnet source
In-Reply-To: <10acf.70e51d2d.39465a98@aol.com>
References: <10acf.70e51d2d.39465a98@aol.com>
Message-ID: <71795E1F3F014AB79E8B0D00031302A8@DavePC>

Jim;

Two things:

First, beware of the super strong magnets - they are almost impossible to 
clear of the small particles that stick to them. But maybe that's a good 
thing? Not likely! The rare earth magnets are the strongest you will ever 
need.

Second - Lee Valley is in the U.S. (even tho' its a Canadian Beaver\Maple 
Leaf Company!
http://www.leevalley.com/en/Home/OnlineCatalog.aspx?id=4605c229

Super service, quality products and some of the most innovative tools you 
will find anywhere.

No interest other than to inform all fine Tiger owners of
a tremendous resource for cool tools.

Dave


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Rollright at aol.com>
To: <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 1:00 PM
Subject: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug /US Magnet source


> Hello,
>
> As usual, Theo has been very helpful, but his country of residence makes
> purchasing from the sources he provided a bit of a hurdle. All hail the 
> Maple
> Leaf and the beaver.

From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 13 17:27:29 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:27:29 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] MKII Alternator Adjustment Arm
In-Reply-To: <C8398052.36E4%porsche911E@verizon.net>
References: <C8396E0E.36E0%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
	<C8398052.36E4%porsche911E@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTincKI4wwCrrC3Dtkju7l4452rj275kxs8_ipXck@mail.gmail.com>

I ran into that one too. The arm has a slight offset in it. it mounts to the
longer water pump bolt (not the one behind the pulley), and fastens to the
back of the alternator, not the front as one would assume. I got full travel
of the alternator on the  bracket. One thing I did notice was Rick's belt
seemed a tad long. The alternator darn near hits the brake tubes at the
junction box.

Tom

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Would U. Believe
<porsche911E at verizon.net>wrote:

> Hi all.  I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about the alternator/belt
> adjustment bracket of the MKII Tiger.  I have the original MKII alternator
> bracket, but my flat adjustment bracket/bar that seems to be the wrong one.
> I think it's a bit short and angled wrong because it seems to interfere
> with
> the alternator fan.  Does anyone know which part would interchange (Ford
> Falcon/Mustang/Galaxie, etc.  Anyone?  Thanks in advance for the
> information.
> _______________________________________________
> Tigers at autox.team.net
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Sun Jun 13 17:35:43 2010
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:35:43 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug /US Magnet source
In-Reply-To: <10acf.70e51d2d.39465a98@aol.com>
References: <10acf.70e51d2d.39465a98@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A040EC8F57B7407592A108F57F3094D8@jerry>

List

Speaking of magnets in oil pans, what I have done is attach several (5 or 6)
of those very powerful magnets to the oil filter. Then, if you so desire,
you can cut open the filter and see if there is any (or how much) metal your
engine is making (only ferrous metal of course).

Jerry Christopherson
9473187   

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 11:00 AM
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug /US Magnet source

Hello,
 
As usual, Theo has been very helpful, but his country of residence makes  
purchasing from the sources he provided a bit of a hurdle. All hail the
Maple 
 Leaf and the beaver.
 
BTW: I've found a US source for all kinds of magnets (neodymium,  
samarium-cobalt, alnico, and ceramic) in all shapes and sizes. Nice site,
nice  
source: _http://www.magnetsource.com_ (http://www.magnetsource.com/) 
 
Further, the kindness shown by "spook" and Maine resident Mr. Tod Brown is  
truly humbling.
I can only hope to help Mr. Brown in a similar fashion, very very  soon.
 
Yours for the sport,
 

Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE
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From tsmit at shaw.ca  Sun Jun 13 19:08:06 2010
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (THEO SMIT)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:08:06 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug /US Magnet source
In-Reply-To: <71795E1F3F014AB79E8B0D00031302A8@DavePC>
References: <10acf.70e51d2d.39465a98@aol.com>
	<71795E1F3F014AB79E8B0D00031302A8@DavePC>
Message-ID: <cf6ed240ca11.4c152c96@shaw.ca>

Hi all,
I pointed Jim at Princess Auto (which is a Western Canada based chain and it's definitely a unique place), but also to Digikey, which ships worldwide from a warehouse in Minnesota. If you need electronics parts (or even magnets) then Digikey (www.digikey.com) is an amazing resource.

Lee Valley is a very bad place to visit... or worse, you could sign up for their catalog and then you get monthly reminders. 
http://www.leevalley.com/en/

Theo

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Jun 13 19:23:35 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:23:35 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug /US Magnet source
In-Reply-To: <A040EC8F57B7407592A108F57F3094D8@jerry>
References: <10acf.70e51d2d.39465a98@aol.com>
	<A040EC8F57B7407592A108F57F3094D8@jerry>
Message-ID: <4C158497.7070702@mayfco.com>

You know the magnets do not have to be all that powerful either. One 
step further is to stick a slab of the refrigerator magnet material to 
the outside of the oil pan to trap the particles. Doesn't do any good on 
bronze cam drive gears or no ferris materials however.

mayf

Jerry & Maureen (Mo) wrote:

>List
>
>Speaking of magnets in oil pans, what I have done is attach several (5 or 6)
>of those very powerful magnets to the oil filter. Then, if you so desire,
>you can cut open the filter and see if there is any (or how much) metal your
>engine is making (only ferrous metal of course).
>
>Jerry Christopherson
>9473187   
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
>On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com
>Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 11:00 AM
>To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
>Subject: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug /US Magnet source
>
>Hello,
> 
>As usual, Theo has been very helpful, but his country of residence makes  
>purchasing from the sources he provided a bit of a hurdle. All hail the
>Maple 
> Leaf and the beaver.
> 
>BTW: I've found a US source for all kinds of magnets (neodymium,  
>samarium-cobalt, alnico, and ceramic) in all shapes and sizes. Nice site,
>nice  
>source: _http://www.magnetsource.com_ (http://www.magnetsource.com/) 
> 
>Further, the kindness shown by "spook" and Maine resident Mr. Tod Brown is  
>truly humbling.
>I can only hope to help Mr. Brown in a similar fashion, very very  soon.
> 
>Yours for the sport,
> 
>
>Jim  Armstrong
>Mk 1A 382002083
>LRXFE
>_______________________________________________

From Gyroplanes at aol.com  Sun Jun 13 22:18:45 2010
From: Gyroplanes at aol.com (Gyroplanes at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 00:18:45 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] magnetic drain plug /US Magnet source
Message-ID: <7a146.233e3315.394707a5@aol.com>

It's an old racing trick to put a speaker magnet on the oil filter. Pop it  
off and reuse it on the next. Cutting open an oil filter is an aviation  
mechanics staple. They sell expensive filter cutters, but a "bicycle chain  
looking" tubing cutter works fine.
Tom Milton
 
 
In a message dated 6/13/2010 7:39:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net writes:

Speaking  of magnets in oil pans, what I have done is attach several (5 or 
6)
of  those very powerful magnets to the oil filter. Then, if you so desire,
you  can cut open the filter and see if there is any (or how much) metal  
your
engine is making (only ferrous metal of  course).

From lon at sedona.net  Mon Jun 14 13:46:59 2010
From: lon at sedona.net (Lon)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:46:59 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Oil Filter Check
Message-ID: <F3190493889B4E9885C5D2235B84E574@LONW>

Been cutting open my oil filters on the race car for years, now doing it on my
regular vehicles.  Very easy and very telling.  Be sure to pull the core out
and spread the filter.  I usually do this in bright sun to check for any metal
reflecting.  One of the best defenses available in my book. Never did see the
need for any magnets . . .

Bet ya Buck sleeps with his old filters(!)

From porsche911E at verizon.net  Mon Jun 14 17:44:55 2010
From: porsche911E at verizon.net (Would U. Believe)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:44:55 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] What's the story with this MKII?
In-Reply-To: <7a146.233e3315.394707a5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C83C3737.3730%porsche911E@verizon.net>

Hi all.  I wonder what the story is with this Mark 2 Tiger on eBay.  I've
seen it not sell on eBay more than once before.  Claims to be listed in the
BoN, but I've never had the pleasure to see a copy.  Any info?  Thanks!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Tiger-1967-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-II-
_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1c1358f144QQitemZ120583680324QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTr
ucks#v4-35

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Mon Jun 14 18:24:07 2010
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:24:07 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger
In-Reply-To: <704A3BBC0A24410A9E19F203E714799B@jerry>
References: <1BD52F273E4546948181A53B449BEE9F@ronpc1>
	<C836EA2A.366E%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
	<704A3BBC0A24410A9E19F203E714799B@jerry>
Message-ID: <4C16C827.9040205@socal.rr.com>

Jerry,

I can vouch for the *Pertronix "Ignitor" *distributor module.  I have 
had the original *Pertronics Ignitor* (I) for years  The newer version 
and hot coil for the Pertronix "*Ignitor II*" are still in their boxes, 
as the original is working just fine.

There are some additional work to be done for the best set-up.  For this 
you need a knowledgeable mechanic who still has one of those mechanical 
"Distributor Machines" and (as I recall) an adapter for the input.

You must decide your usage requirements to use distributor spring and/or 
weight adjustment.  These are available  at parts stores for the Ford 
distributor, and allow the advance curve  to be adjusted.  I believe we 
used the spring kit for the "plain" marking (colored silver), depending 
on your needs (Accel?).  New silicone wires cut to desired routing 
pattern from the FACTORY (Accel?).

RESULTS:

   1. No points to wear, /*or replace*/.
   2. Advance curved to */YOUR/* needs.
   3. Clean wire routing to */YOUR/* needs.


If probably will last forever - which is why I saw no need for replacing 
it with the newer model.

/"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"

/Steve

Steve Laifman

Editor

http://TigersUnited.com



Jerry & Maureen (Mo) wrote:
> List,
>
> Those of you changing to the Pertronics modules, be sure to check out the
> newer Pertronics III, among other things it has a rev limiter.  I've
> installed several on Mustangs and they seem to work very well.
>
> They are a little more expensive, but for that once in a lifetime missed
> shift and the engine goes to a RPM you've never heard before.  It's cheep
> insurance 
>
> Jerry Christopherson
> 9473187 

From porsche911E at verizon.net  Mon Jun 14 19:22:59 2010
From: porsche911E at verizon.net (Would U. Believe)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:22:59 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] What's the story with this MKII?
In-Reply-To: <C83C3737.3730%porsche911E@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <C83C4E33.373B%porsche911E@verizon.net>

The auction was stopped, but here was the description:

Available for sale is this 1967 Sunbeam Tiger Mark II, VIN B382100231,
Engine No 2015,
JAL 700131. Listed in the Book of Norman.

This car is one of only 536 ever produced, and one of only a few hundred
still in existence.

This car runs great!

Body in good condition.

Original 289 engine in great condition.

Clutch is in very good condition.  Transmission shifts smoothly.

Paint in very good condition, now yellow, was originally orchid green.

Black interior in very good condition. Custom front bra.

Recently serviced.The brakes were completely redone 100 miles ago - all new
hoses and power booster.

Restoration completed about 10 years ago. Photographs of restoration
available.

Unable to confirm exact number of miles on car.

LAT hood and magnesium wheels.

Also new manifolds, new carburetor, air cleaner (K&N) and oil filter.

Original 2 barrel intake, carb and carb spacer , manifolds, air cleaner,
fuel pump, and original valve covers with engine plate available.

Original handbook, service manual, and title documents.

Don9t miss this rare opportunity to own an original 1967 Mark II Sunbeam
Tiger!

$500 non-refundable deposit due within 24 hours of bid closing, payable
through PayPal.  Balance due within 7 days of bid closing, payable by
cashier9s check or money order.

Vehicle sold as-is.  Buyer must pay and  make arrangements for shipping.

Please feel free to email me any questions.  I am available to show the car
if you live nearby.
 1967 Sunbeam Tiger Mark 2 Rootes  NOT an Alpine

The car was pictured parked in front of a WWI era P51 Mustang (I think).


On 6/14/10 7:44 PM, "MGD" <porsche911E at verizon.net> wrote:

> Hi all.  I wonder what the story is with this Mark 2 Tiger on eBay.  I've
> seen it not sell on eBay more than once before.  Claims to be listed in the
> BoN, but I've never had the pleasure to see a copy.  Any info?  Thanks!
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Tiger-1967-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-II-
>
_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1c1358f144QQitemZ120583680324QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTr
> ucks#v4-35
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From jim at island.net  Mon Jun 14 19:50:44 2010
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:50:44 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Best distributor for Tiger
In-Reply-To: <4C16C827.9040205@socal.rr.com>
References: <1BD52F273E4546948181A53B449BEE9F@ronpc1>
	<C836EA2A.366E%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
	<704A3BBC0A24410A9E19F203E714799B@jerry>
	<4C16C827.9040205@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <863BCB9C-A332-4D41-A9A3-9A395777F15C@island.net>

I've had several pertro
Ix unit... All worked great! Then I bought the new 5.0 liter long  
block for the Tiger.  I didn't have a Ford dizzy handy to install a  
module so I ordered up a brand new billet Pertronix (non-vacuum)  
complete unit. I was quite surprised when it arrived with a Chevy  
cap!! It's still on the car!!
I guess they come that way regardless of application. :(

Jim

Sent from my iPhone

On 2010-06-14, at 5:24 PM, Steve Laifman <slaifman at socal.rr.com> wrote:

> Jerry,
>
> I can vouch for the *Pertronix "Ignitor" *distributor module.  I have
> had the original *Pertronics Ignitor* (I) for years  The newer version
> and hot coil for the Pertronix "*Ignitor II*" are still in their  
> boxes,
> as the original is working just fine.
>
> There are some additional work to be done for the best set-up.  For  
> this
> you need a knowledgeable mechanic who still has one of those  
> mechanical
> "Distributor Machines" and (as I recall) an adapter for the input.
>
> You must decide your usage requirements to use distributor spring  
> and/or
> weight adjustment.  These are available  at parts stores for the Ford
> distributor, and allow the advance curve  to be adjusted.  I believe  
> we
> used the spring kit for the "plain" marking (colored silver),  
> depending
> on your needs (Accel?).  New silicone wires cut to desired routing
> pattern from the FACTORY (Accel?).
>
> RESULTS:
>
>   1. No points to wear, /*or replace*/.
>   2. Advance curved to */YOUR/* needs.
>   3. Clean wire routing to */YOUR/* needs.
>
>
> If probably will last forever - which is why I saw no need for  
> replacing
> it with the newer model.
>
> /"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
>
> /Steve
>
> Steve Laifman
>
> Editor
>
> http://TigersUnited.com
>
>
>
> Jerry & Maureen (Mo) wrote:
>> List,
>>
>> Those of you changing to the Pertronics modules, be sure to check  
>> out the
>> newer Pertronics III, among other things it has a rev limiter.  I've
>> installed several on Mustangs and they seem to work very well.
>>
>> They are a little more expensive, but for that once in a lifetime  
>> missed
>> shift and the engine goes to a RPM you've never heard before.  It's  
>> cheep
>> insurance
>>
>> Jerry Christopherson
>> 9473187
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From marcsmall at comcast.net  Mon Jun 14 20:18:59 2010
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:18:59 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] What's the story with this MKII?
In-Reply-To: <C83C4E33.373B%porsche911E@verizon.net>
References: <C83C3737.3730%porsche911E@verizon.net>
	<C83C4E33.373B%porsche911E@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20100615022314.05536187647@autox.team.net>

At 09:22 PM 6/14/2010, Would U. Believe wrote:

 >The car was pictured parked in front of a WWI era P51 Mustang (I think).

WWII P-51, maybe.  There was no "WWI P51".

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Jun 14 23:31:28 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:31:28 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] What's the story with this MKII?
In-Reply-To: <20100615022314.05536187647@autox.team.net>
References: <C83C3737.3730%porsche911E@verizon.net>
	<C83C4E33.373B%porsche911E@verizon.net>
	<20100615022314.05536187647@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilP58PoMDVK2XVxLLFGgxG1_3M4GbahbkPDZUNX@mail.gmail.com>

Car seems to be relisted..

IIRC there was much discussion about this car the few times it has appeared
on ebay in regards to the VIN TAG.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Tiger-1967-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-II-/120583680324?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item1c1358f144
-- 
Regards

Michael King

From gleibert185 at comcast.net  Tue Jun 15 02:20:42 2010
From: gleibert185 at comcast.net (George Leibert)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 04:20:42 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] What's the story with this MKII?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilP58PoMDVK2XVxLLFGgxG1_3M4GbahbkPDZUNX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56D0D5F2B53347BF8FE92884E881CFA5@mylaptop>

Know nothing of the car, nothing about it in TBON, but it's parked in front
of a British Spitfire fighter.

Geo

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of michael king
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 1:31 AM
To: Would U. Believe; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] What's the story with this MKII?

Car seems to be relisted..

IIRC there was much discussion about this car the few times it has appeared
on ebay in regards to the VIN TAG.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Tiger-1967-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-II-
/120583680324?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item1c1358f144
--
Regards

Michael King

From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Tue Jun 15 04:29:18 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:29:18 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] What's the story with this MKII?
In-Reply-To: <56D0D5F2B53347BF8FE92884E881CFA5@mylaptop>
Message-ID: <C83CCE3E.374F%mcdangerous@verizon.net>

Right!  Sorry about that, Chief!  I knew it was a British plane but could
not recall the model at the time I was writing.  Thanks.


On 6/15/10 4:20 AM, "George Leibert" <gleibert185 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Know nothing of the car, nothing about it in TBON, but it's parked in front
> of a British Spitfire fighter.
> 
> Geo
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of michael king
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 1:31 AM
> To: Would U. Believe; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] What's the story with this MKII?
> 
> Car seems to be relisted..
> 
> IIRC there was much discussion about this car the few times it has appeared
> on ebay in regards to the VIN TAG.
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Tiger-1967-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mark-II-
> /120583680324?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item1c1358f144
> --
> Regards
> 
> Michael King
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From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Tue Jun 15 04:29:54 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:29:54 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] What's the story with this MKII?
In-Reply-To: <20100615022314.05536187647@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <C83CCE62.3750%mcdangerous@verizon.net>

Typo.


On 6/14/10 10:18 PM, "Marc James Small" <marcsmall at comcast.net> wrote:

> At 09:22 PM 6/14/2010, Would U. Believe wrote:
> 
>> The car was pictured parked in front of a WWI era P51 Mustang (I think).
> 
> WWII P-51, maybe.  There was no "WWI P51".
> 
> Marc
> 
> 
> msmall at aya.yale.edu
> Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!
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From rande at thecia.net  Tue Jun 15 07:36:00 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 09:36:00 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] yellow Mark 2
Message-ID: <4c1781c0.7466.0@thecia.net>

I think the auction places the car in Malibu,CA but the license plate and background
of the Eagle Hanger places it at the Wittman Regional Airport (OSH) in Oshkosh,
WI. This hanger is part of the AirVenture Museum, and the airport is the site
for the annual EAA
(Experimental Aircraft)fly-in each August. Maybe the photos are from an earlier
time.

From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 15 13:13:51 2010
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 12:13:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Timing Chain Cover
Message-ID: <714311.48817.qm@web38104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I am beginning to question the timing chain cover on a 289 HP ~1965 motor. 
Best I can read, the part number is C50E-6050.  This cover has a 'spout' but
the space inside the cover is so small to take in oil.  Is this the correct
timing chain cover or should there be one without the 'spout'?

Any insight is
appreciated.
Joel Martin

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Jun 15 17:26:48 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 09:26:48 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Rent-A-Tiger
Message-ID: <AANLkTilHhpPE2WbdxTX9RGe1yaUo6EI-Jqsm25EuhWSf@mail.gmail.com>

i'd love to know the insurance levy on this:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sunbeam-Tiger-MK1A-Classic-car-hire-/200477990362?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_localservices_car_vehicle_GL&hash=item2ead6b5dda

and at 313bhp and rented to the unwary.. i hope they upgraded the brakes!

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 15 18:08:45 2010
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 17:08:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] yellow Mark 2
In-Reply-To: <4c1781c0.7466.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <876673.86538.qm@web33204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

A friend who lives in Malibu has seen this car recently, but has no more
details.

--- On Tue, 6/15/10, rande <rande at thecia.net> wrote:


From: rande <rande at thecia.net>
Subject: [Tigers] yellow Mark 2
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 6:36 AM


I think the auction places the car in Malibu,CA, but the license plate and
background of the Eagle Hanger places it at the Wittman Regional Airport (OSH)
in Oshkosh, WI. This hanger is part of the AirVenture Museum and the airport
is the site for the annual EAA (Experimental Aircraft) fly-in each August.
Maybe the photos are from an earlier time.

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Jun 15 19:09:19 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:09:19 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Timing Chain Cover
In-Reply-To: <714311.48817.qm@web38104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0E5A70805D38454897E65F866BCEE21A@ronpc1>

Joel
	Time chain cover C5OE-6059-A1; A1 is under the 6059.  This is a 289
cover used with the cast iron water pump.

This cover does not have an oil fill spout; oil goes in the valve cover
breather tube.

 timing cover C30E-6059-B has an oil filler tube or freeze plug

C4AE-6059-B oil fill area cast closed

C4OE-6059-A oil fill area eliminated

Ron Fraser



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Joel Martin
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 3:14 PM
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Tigers] Timing Chain Cover


I am beginning to question the timing chain cover on a 289 HP ~1965 motor.
Best I can read, the part number is C50E-6050.  This cover has a 'spout' but
the space inside the cover is so small to take in oil.  Is this the correct
timing chain cover or should there be one without the 'spout'?

Any insight is
appreciated.
Joel Martin
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 16 05:34:29 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 04:34:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] U- Joints and shocks
Message-ID: <935734.7505.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Last night I found a brief case that I used years ago for Sunbeam items.
Mostly where old Te/Ae  newsletter but I had receipts from Tiger Tom and a few
names and phone numbers from Canada to Fla. The following information may be
in the hands of Steve Laiffman and his website but I thought I would post what
I found on the back side of the outer cover of PERFORMANCE TUNING   Sunbeam
Tiger published by Floyd Clymer. I know I still own the rest of the book BUT I
have several BEAM items that I own but would hate to have to produce. At any
rate, I have the following written on the inside of the cover. May it help one
person- then I will have at least not wasted your and my time.
 
U-Joints- front and rear -----Spicer 5osS-153x   I cant read my writing now
much less 40 plus years ago may be a 5 as thats my guess BUT ask for the S as
well
Front shocks- Sears 79281; Gabriel 63329
Next may be front or back but I think rear-- Full size Buick 1965 to 1970
Rear Gabrirl 3171;  Olds Vista Cruizer 1965
Corvette 1960 to 1962
 
R.G. Wheatly Sales manager
Traction master
L917 West Olympic Blvd.
Los Angles, Ca  6  and that is in some one elses handwriting and the 6 appers
to be the start of the zip code and the person stopped, so I doubt it has any
signifigance.
 
I have no idea the availability of any of these parts or if the numbers are
still of value but at least knowing what will fit mat help if a person wanted
air shocks etc etc.
Always a Tiger person.
TonytheTiger

From sganz at pacbell.net  Wed Jun 16 10:53:45 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 09:53:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Magnets
Message-ID: <194870.70029.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Found this place that sells Neodymium in many shapes and sizes. Found out that standard Neodymium magnets are heat sensitive but they have High temp versions - 

http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=D66SH

http://www.kjmagnetics.com/ Home page

Sandy

From jd.sencindiver at gmail.com  Wed Jun 16 10:55:39 2010
From: jd.sencindiver at gmail.com (Jim Sencindiver)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:55:39 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] New sports car purchased.
In-Reply-To: <000e0cd23ba05a4465047c93cc75@google.com>
References: <8CC21480F4B135E-8580-2CB8@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com>
	<000e0cd23ba05a4465047c93cc75@google.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinsxnTZ8sZvVTU3Zm1yFv9CESG2Uh499ODIVJSv@mail.gmail.com>

I finally got around to adding a spare to my G8 GT.  Sport wheel and
Bridgestone tire ran me about $850.  Yes, the spare fits in the whell well.
GM wants to keep me as a customer, so they sent me coupons for 4 FREE oil
changes/tire rotations for my G8 GT (must use between 1/1/10 and 12/30/10).
They also sent me the same 4 FREE coupons for my 2004 Grand Prix GTP.  Looks
like my car maintenace needs are mostly met for this year!

Keep on Tigering!
Jim Sencindiver
B382100451/TAC 448
http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.as



On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 10:22 AM, <jd.sencindiver at gmail.com> wrote:

> Adding a spare tire to my G8 is on my list of things to do, but first I
> need to measure the spare tire well and make sure the sport tire (245/45/19)
> will fit!
>
> Keep on Tigering!
> Jim Sencindiver
> B382100451/TAC 448
> http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.as
>
>
>  On Oct 22, 2009 11:01am, vegaslegal at aol.com wrote:
> > My neighbor (also a gearhead) has had that exact car for about 6 mos.
> Thinks its the best thing since sliced bread and has enjoyed every minute of
> ownership.  He made one change.  Added a spare.  Can buy from the dealer if
> your interested.  A little more weight, a lot more peace of mind.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> >
> > From: jd.sencindiver at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > To: vegaslegal at aol.com
> >
> >
> > Sent: Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:49 am
> >
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] New sports car purchased.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I, too, bought a new car. It's a 2009 Pontiac G8 GT with premium and
> sport packages, and when all the rebates were applied, I paid only $24,586.
> It's a big car (almost 4,000 lbs), but the 6.0 L V8 (361 hp, 385 lb-ft
> torque) rockets it down the road (0-60 in 5.2 seconds). It seats 5
> comfortably and the trunk is huge (18.5 cu ft). With the sport package you
> get 19" wheels with Bridgestone performance tires and a 6 speed auto tranny.
> When you get the GT it includes a LSD (and with all that torque, it's
> needed!). The car rides nice and handles much better than a 2 ton car has a
> right to. A couple of the car magazines went so far as to claim the G8 GXP
> (6.2 L V8, 416 hp, 400+ lb-ft torque, but otherwise very similar to the G8
> GT) ride/handling/acceleration/braking is equivalent to the BMW 550i!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm very happy with it, but disappointed that GM shut down Pontiac
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> >
> > Jim Sencindiver
> >
> >
> > B382100451/TAC 448
> >
> >
> > http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.as

From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 16 12:55:33 2010
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 11:55:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Rent-A-Tiger
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilHhpPE2WbdxTX9RGe1yaUo6EI-Jqsm25EuhWSf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <58035.29286.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi,
     Insurance would be about the same as the rental..I drove a 306 HP HiPo
289 Tiger for several years..It was killer fast..and it had the brake
upgrades..still...way too stout for the street..IMHO..lol
zym

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Tue, 6/15/10, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:


From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Subject: [Tigers] Rent-A-Tiger
To: "Tiger Talk List Tiger" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 7:26 PM


i'd love to know the insurance levy on this:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sunbeam-Tiger-MK1A-Classic-car-hire-/200477990362?cmd=V
iewItem&pt=UK_localservices_car_vehicle_GL&hash=item2ead6b5dda

and at 313bhp and rented to the unwary.. i hope they upgraded the brakes!

--
Regards

Michael King
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From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 16 13:41:41 2010
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:41:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Painting a 1966 MK1A Tiger
Message-ID: <788048.58380.qm@web38101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Does anyone have a comprehensive list of what is suppose to be painted body color that they would share?

Thanks
Joel

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Wed Jun 16 14:53:36 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:53:36 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] ***SPAM***  Painting a 1966 MK1A Tiger
In-Reply-To: <788048.58380.qm@web38101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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As far as I know it's everything that is part of the chassis/body assembly,
including the windshield frame and the Ware struts, inside and out, top and
bottom. Not the steering/front suspension crossmember.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin
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>
> Does anyone have a comprehensive list of what is suppose to be painted
> body color that they would share?
>
> Thanks
> Joel

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From tcprager at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 16 15:44:42 2010
From: tcprager at hotmail.com (Thomas Prager)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:44:42 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] ***SPAM***  Painting a 1966 MK1A Tiger
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The posterior aspect (behind the chrome strip) of the "pan" under the grill
and behind the front bumper should be painted a dark gray. Even the hood prop
is body color.

tom

  ----- Original Message -----
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  As far as I know it's everything that is part of the chassis/body assembly,
  including the windshield frame and the Ware struts, inside and out, top and
  bottom. Not the steering/front suspension crossmember.

  Theo

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  > Does anyone have a comprehensive list of what is suppose to be painted
  > body color that they would share?
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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 16 15:49:22 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 17:49:22 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] ***SPAM*** Painting a 1966 MK1A Tiger
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I agree with Theo. My Mark2 was body color everywhere on the body except the
crossmember & steering column (not part of the "body").  One of the previous
posts talked about the bodies being altered / built as Tiger bodies at the
stamping plant and painted there, then further modification / repainting was
done by Jensen prior to / during assembly. The engine / transmission are
Ford colors (Ford Black or Corporate Blue / Dark Blue depending on the
engine...), the rear end was (I think) black. The stock steel wheels are
grey.

Tom
' 67 Mark 2

On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>wrote:

> As far as I know it's everything that is part of the chassis/body assembly,
> including the windshield frame and the Ware struts, inside and out, top and
> bottom. Not the steering/front suspension crossmember.
>
> Theo
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin
> > Sent: June 16, 2010 1:42 PM
> > To: Tiger List Serve
> > Subject: ***SPAM*** [Tigers] Painting a 1966 MK1A Tiger
> >
> > Does anyone have a comprehensive list of what is suppose to be painted
> > body color that they would share?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Joel
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Jun 16 17:17:27 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:17:27 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Painting a 1966 MK1A Tiger
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Not a list.,.. but the body inside and out (including under the guards and
floors dash etc..)
scuttle vents
headlight rims

Behind the grill is black
things like the steering rack and suspension parts are satin black

On 17 June 2010 05:41, Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have a comprehensive list of what is suppose to be painted body
> color that they would share?
>
> Thanks
> Joel
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From berlin6703 at mypacks.net  Wed Jun 16 18:32:14 2010
From: berlin6703 at mypacks.net (berlin6703 at mypacks.net)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:32:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Shocks (Dampers)
Message-ID: <20665356.1276734734727.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I just got a complete car set of adjustable shocks for my 65 MK I 
directly from SPAX in the UK. Total cost, including shipping, was about 
$450. You can see what SPAX sells from their website (I think it is 
www.spaxperformance.com). FYI the Tiger is listed under Talbot as a 
Talbot Sunbeam Alpine Tiger in their product list. You cannot get the SPAX
web site to allow a sales transaction to the US because the shipping 
cost calculator does not work for N. America. You will have to 
contact them directly by phone or email. Shipping was about $85 of the cost.

I have not installed them yet.

If anyone is interested in particulars, drop me an email.

ATIGER8

From macdonald49 at shaw.ca  Wed Jun 16 18:33:54 2010
From: macdonald49 at shaw.ca (Peter MacDonald)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 17:33:54 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Canadian content
Message-ID: <64BBA370-8700-4B83-8001-2D03F9D8C79E@shaw.ca>

A little something from North of the 49th Parallel for our US ( and  
other) Tiger friends to enjoy.

Peter & Theo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUqsF8vbR_Q&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0LT-RZGXBc&feature=related

From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 17 04:48:26 2010
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 03:48:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Rent-A-Tiger
In-Reply-To: <892312.56226.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <410650.44445.qm@web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi,
     It depends on what you call fun..and how many "buddies"that you have in
law enforcment..;-) , of course.....
zym

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Wed, 6/16/10, Gary <maliburevue at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Gary <maliburevue at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rent-A-Tiger
To: "Howard gentry" <zymmer4 at yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 7:07 PM







Howard,
 
Does that mean my 400+ HP 331 stroker is unstreetable? Personally, I think
it's way too much fun.
 
Gary

--- On Wed, 6/16/10, Howard gentry <zymmer4 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Howard gentry <zymmer4 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rent-A-Tiger
To: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 11:55 AM


Hi,
     Insurance would be about the same as the rental..I drove a 306 HP HiPo
289 Tiger for several years..It was killer fast..and it had the brake
upgrades..still...way too stout for the street..IMHO..lol
zym

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Tue, 6/15/10, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:


From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Subject: [Tigers] Rent-A-Tiger
To: "Tiger Talk List Tiger" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 7:26 PM


i'd love to know the insurance levy on this:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sunbeam-Tiger-MK1A-Classic-car-hire-/200477990362?cmd=V
iewItem&pt=UK_localservices_car_vehicle_GL&hash=item2ead6b5dda

and at 313bhp and rented to the unwary.. i hope they upgraded the brakes!

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From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun 17 07:07:59 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 06:07:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
Message-ID: <946679.74234.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

"The posterior aspect (behind the chrome strip) of the "pan" under the grill
and behind the front bumper should be painted a dark gray. Even the hood prop
is body color."
 
The correct color is low-gloss black.  And be sure to leave brush marks to
make it factory correct. 
 
                                                         Jeff

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Jun 17 10:38:14 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:38:14 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Test...
Message-ID: <4C1A4F76.7060802@mayfco.com>

I have been having issues with my ISP and he has been working to fix 
them. Ihope he has not cured teh problem by blocking everythign that 
comes from the tiger list, lol. Would one of you hit reply so I can see 
that I can send and recieve?

mayf

From brockctella at juno.com  Thu Jun 17 10:54:08 2010
From: brockctella at juno.com (brockctella at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:54:08 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts
Message-ID: <20100617.095415.5900.537802@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com>

Sunbeam Specialties is out of engine mounts. I was also informed by them
that the Doan? supplied mounts have been having separation issues. Does
anyone have another source? Thanks
____________________________________________________________
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Jun 17 16:42:26 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 18:42:26 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts
In-Reply-To: <20100617.095415.5900.537802@mailpop02.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <9D09455773F94699ADE423A19F0A4AF6@ronpc1>

Try Classic Sunbeam then NAPA

Ron Fraser

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On Behalf Of brockctella at juno.com
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 12:54 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts


Sunbeam Specialties is out of engine mounts. I was also informed by them
that the Doan? supplied mounts have been having separation issues. Does
anyone have another source? Thanks
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Jun 17 18:03:02 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 17:03:02 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] The Test request..
Message-ID: <4C1AB7B6.8060406@mayfco.com>

...response has been way  helpful! I received lots of replies so I must 
have made it through the list. Now I need to watch to make sure 
everything that goes to the list from others makes it to my desk.    If 
one of you is going to send something to the list regards some issue or 
problem, would you do me a favor? Put me directly on the headed as a BCC 
to drmayf at mayfco.com. Just once is enough. That way I will get a direct 
pm and I should also get the same mesage via the email list and that 
will let me kow I am geting all the email.

mayf

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun 17 20:38:03 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 19:38:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] New sports car purchased - Times Three
Message-ID: <858412.17134.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

 
"I, too, bought a new car. It's a 2009 Pontiac G8 GT with premium and
> sport packages, and when all the rebates were applied, I paid only $24,586.
> It's a big car (almost 4,000 lbs), but the 6.0 L V8 (361 hp, 385 lb-ft
> torque) rockets it down the road (0-60 in 5.2 seconds). "
 
 
This must be the time for new car purchases!  I picked up a 2009 Infiniti G37X
AWD sedan recently.  The car seats five, weighs 3,807lbs and the 3.7 litre V6
puts out 328 hp @ 7,000 rpm with torque at 269 lb-ft @ 5,200 rpm. . 0 -  60
takes  5.1 seconds and includes a spare tire. I'm sure the 7 speed auto trans
helps in the acceleration.
 
                                                           Jeff
 

From TIGEROOTES at aol.com  Thu Jun 17 21:56:35 2010
From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 23:56:35 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] The Test request..
Message-ID: <21823.23d38f80.394c4873@aol.com>

Mayf,

Many of us are hoping you will break the record of "The World's Fastest 
Indian" with your Sunbeam.

CC to Mayf for his test.

Jim

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 18 02:10:59 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 01:10:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] The Test request..
In-Reply-To: <21823.23d38f80.394c4873@aol.com>
Message-ID: <586593.89845.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AND we are also hoping the movie they make about you is as great as you and
the move about the Worlds fastest Indian, one I could see annually. Go Dr.
Mayf.
 
TtT
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 18 02:34:29 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 01:34:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] New sports car purchased - Times Three
In-Reply-To: <858412.17134.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <804088.430.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Well I do have a Sunbeam Tiger and Ive never checked its weight BUT I am
considered an"overload" and 0 to 60, I cant guess-- torque- it has plenty and
fun is abundant- otherwise I'm driving my 1993 Chevy Blazer my broNlaw was
going to send to the junk yard when he bought a much nicer and newer model. He
is in WVa and I told him that was an easy $1000
in southern IL. It too has no record of 0to60, but it gets 15mpg no matter how
I drive and the bondo that broNlaw had installed, so it would pass inspection
is starting to show. I did recently buy 2 front tires and a new muffler and
tail pipe- total, including labor and disposal of old tires $300. You guy's
have it to rough, to bad your not as lucky as me. Ok, maybe there is another
Tiger or 3 hidden about but they(but 1) are pretty rough. Not counting the
Alger that the body guy was going to have done in 6weeks, some 12-15 years
ago- maybe I should take him paint BUT he would then ask me to remove it from
his shop. He wrote the contract.I am glad he did great body work. I did well,
I sold the Alpine guy that sold me the S5 a S4 a few months back. I think it
will be a parts car but it was driven to a body shop where it sat for years
before he finally caved in to selling it to me- so it was driven in.
My story of the week BUT I promise, ALL true.
 
TtT

--- On Thu, 6/17/10, Jeffrey Nichols <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


From: Jeffrey Nichols <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Tigers] New sports car purchased - Times Three
To: vegaslegal at aol.com, jd.sencindiver at gmail.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, June 17, 2010, 9:38 PM



"I, too, bought a new car. It's a 2009 Pontiac G8 GT with premium and
> sport packages, and when all the rebates were applied, I paid only $24,586.
> It's a big car (almost 4,000 lbs), but the 6.0 L V8 (361 hp, 385 lb-ft
> torque) rockets it down the road (0-60 in 5.2 seconds). "


This must be the time for new car purchases!  I picked up a 2009 Infiniti
G37X
AWD sedan recently.  The car seats five, weighs 3,807lbs and the 3.7 litre V6
puts out 328 hp @ 7,000 rpm with torque at 269 lb-ft @ 5,200 rpm. . 0 -  60
takes  5.1 seconds and includes a spare tire. I'm sure the 7 speed auto trans
helps in the acceleration.

                                                           Jeff

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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 18 03:00:10 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 02:00:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] New sports car purchased - Times Three (except ME)
Message-ID: <45527.88220.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Fri, 6/18/10, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:


 2010, 3:34 AM







Well I do have a Sunbeam Tiger and Ive never checked its weight BUT I am
considered an"overload" and 0 to 60, I cant guess-- torque- it has plenty and
fun is abundant- otherwise I'm driving my 1993 Chevy Blazer my broNlaw was
going to send to the junk yard when he bought a much nicer and newer model. He
is in WVa and I told him that was an easy $1000
in southern IL. It too has no record of 0to60, but it gets 15mpg no matter how
I drive and the bondo that broNlaw had installed, so it would pass inspection
is starting to show. I did recently buy 2 front tires and a new muffler and
tail pipe- total, including labor and disposal of old tires $300. You guy's
have it to rough, to bad your not as lucky as me. Ok, maybe there is another
Tiger or 3 hidden about but they(but 1) are pretty rough. Not counting the
Alger that the body guy was going to have done in 6weeks, some 12-15 years
ago- maybe I should take him paint BUT he would then ask me to remove it from
his shop. He wrote the contract.I am glad he did great body work. I did well,
I sold the Alpine guy that sold me the S5 a S4 a few months back. I think it
will be a parts car but it was driven to a body shop where it sat for years
before he finally caved in to selling it to me- so it was driven in.
My story of the week BUT I promise, ALL true.
 
TtT

From arado7 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jun 18 04:56:49 2010
From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 03:56:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] New sports car purchased - Times Three
In-Reply-To: <804088.430.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <294293.4427.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

On new sport cars I just bought my second Crossfire. A coupe to go with the
roadster. Not fast but handle like a dream.  96%  German parts and built by
Karmann.   My Tiger will last  longer now.   Gary   B9472283

--- On Fri, 6/18/10, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] New sports car purchased - Times Three
To: vegaslegal at aol.com, jd.sencindiver at gmail.com, "Jeffrey Nichols"
<jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 8:34 AM


Well I do have a Sunbeam Tiger and Ive never checked its weight BUT I am
considered an"overload" and 0 to 60, I cant guess-- torque- it has plenty and
fun is abundant- otherwise I'm driving my 1993 Chevy Blazer my broNlaw was
going to send to the junk yard when he bought a much nicer and newer model.
He
is in WVa and I told him that was an easy $1000
in southern IL. It too has no record of 0to60, but it gets 15mpg no matter
how
I drive and the bondo that broNlaw had installed, so it would pass inspection
is starting to show. I did recently buy 2 front tires and a new muffler and
tail pipe- total, including labor and disposal of old tires $300. You guy's
have it to rough, to bad your not as lucky as me. Ok, maybe there is another
Tiger or 3 hidden about but they(but 1) are pretty rough. Not counting the
Alger that the body guy was going to have done in 6weeks, some 12-15 years
ago- maybe I should take him paint BUT he would then ask me to remove it from
his shop. He wrote the contract.I am glad he did great body work. I did well,
I sold the Alpine guy that sold me the S5 a S4 a few months back. I think it
will be a parts car but it was driven to a body shop where it sat for years
before he finally caved in to selling it to me- so it was driven in.
My story of the week BUT I promise, ALL true.

TtT

--- On Thu, 6/17/10, Jeffrey Nichols <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net> wrote:


From: Jeffrey Nichols <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [Tigers] New sports car purchased - Times Three
To: vegaslegal at aol.com, jd.sencindiver at gmail.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, June 17, 2010, 9:38 PM



"I, too, bought a new car. It's a 2009 Pontiac G8 GT with premium and
> sport packages, and when all the rebates were applied, I paid only $24,586.
> It's a big car (almost 4,000 lbs), but the 6.0 L V8 (361 hp, 385 lb-ft
> torque) rockets it down the road (0-60 in 5.2 seconds). "


This must be the time for new car purchases!  I picked up a 2009 Infiniti
G37X
AWD sedan recently.  The car seats five, weighs 3,807lbs and the 3.7 litre V6
puts out 328 hp @ 7,000 rpm with torque at 269 lb-ft @ 5,200 rpm. . 0 -  60
takes  5.1 seconds and includes a spare tire. I'm sure the 7 speed auto trans
helps in the acceleration.

                                                           Jeff

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From spook01 at comcast.net  Fri Jun 18 07:20:06 2010
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 09:20:06 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?The_Test_request=2E=2E?=
Message-ID: <20100618131858.2C29818763E@autox.team.net>

When I reply to mayf from this phone I get an odd automatic reply. I receive his mailings as well as all others, and can reply. 
Go figure.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

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Date: Thu, Jun 17, 2010 23:56
Subject: [Tigers] The Test request..
To: <drmayf at mayfco.com>, <tigers at autox.team.net>

Mayf,

Many of us are hoping you will break the record of "The World's Fastest 
Indian" with your Sunbeam.

CC to Mayf for his test.

Jim
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From prbreuhan at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 18 07:21:19 2010
From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 09:21:19 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] New sports car purchased - Times Three
In-Reply-To: <294293.4427.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <804088.430.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
	<294293.4427.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT111-W19C39FB715E9C6DCF77793AAC00@phx.gbl>

And I let my old Sportscar go...a guy bought my Tiger on Wednesday and took
the pile of parts on Thursday.



Saturday I will be looking at a 1971 Challenger RT and a 1972 340 Duster still
in original paint.



Paul







> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 03:56:49 -0700
> From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net
> To: vegaslegal at aol.com; jd.sencindiver at gmail.com; jxnichols at sbcglobal.net;
achd73 at yahoo.com
> CC: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] New sports car purchased - Times Three
>
> On new sport cars I just bought my second Crossfire. A coupe to go with the
> roadster. Not fast but handle like a dream. 96% German parts and built by
> Karmann. My Tiger will last longer now. Gary B9472283
>
> --- On Fri, 6/18/10, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] New sports car purchased - Times Three
> To: vegaslegal at aol.com, jd.sencindiver at gmail.com, "Jeffrey Nichols"
> <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Friday, June 18, 2010, 8:34 AM
>
>
> Well I do have a Sunbeam Tiger and Ive never checked its weight BUT I am
> considered an"overload" and 0 to 60, I cant guess-- torque- it has plenty
and
> fun is abundant- otherwise I'm driving my 1993 Chevy Blazer my broNlaw was
> going to send to the junk yard when he bought a much nicer and newer model.
> He
> is in WVa and I told him that was an easy $1000
> in southern IL. It too has no record of 0to60, but it gets 15mpg no matter
> how
> I drive and the bondo that broNlaw had installed, so it would pass
inspection
> is starting to show. I did recently buy 2 front tires and a new muffler and
> tail pipe- total, including labor and disposal of old tires $300. You guy's
> have it to rough, to bad your not as lucky as me. Ok, maybe there is
another
> Tiger or 3 hidden about but they(but 1) are pretty rough. Not counting the
> Alger that the body guy was going to have done in 6weeks, some 12-15 years
> ago- maybe I should take him paint BUT he would then ask me to remove it
from
> his shop. He wrote the contract.I am glad he did great body work. I did
well,
> I sold the Alpine guy that sold me the S5 a S4 a few months back. I think
it
> will be a parts car but it was driven to a body shop where it sat for years
> before he finally caved in to selling it to me- so it was driven in.
> My story of the week BUT I promise, ALL true.
>
> TtT
>
> --- On Thu, 6/17/10, Jeffrey Nichols <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Jeffrey Nichols <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] New sports car purchased - Times Three
> To: vegaslegal at aol.com, jd.sencindiver at gmail.com
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Thursday, June 17, 2010, 9:38 PM
>
>
>
> "I, too, bought a new car. It's a 2009 Pontiac G8 GT with premium and
> > sport packages, and when all the rebates were applied, I paid only
$24,586.
> > It's a big car (almost 4,000 lbs), but the 6.0 L V8 (361 hp, 385 lb-ft
> > torque) rockets it down the road (0-60 in 5.2 seconds). "
>
>
> This must be the time for new car purchases! I picked up a 2009 Infiniti
> G37X
> AWD sedan recently. The car seats five, weighs 3,807lbs and the 3.7 litre
V6
> puts out 328 hp @ 7,000 rpm with torque at 269 lb-ft @ 5,200 rpm. . 0 - 60
> takes 5.1 seconds and includes a spare tire. I'm sure the 7 speed auto
trans
> helps in the acceleration.
>

>

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From gabbardalex at att.net  Fri Jun 18 09:09:24 2010
From: gabbardalex at att.net (Gabbard Gabbard)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 08:09:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] 6-bolt narrow pattern bellhousing
Message-ID: <957595.41574.qm@web180810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Does anyone have a Tiger Mk II bellhousing (6-bolt, narrow case) for sale or
swap for a Mustang wide case bellhousing?
Thanks!
 

From rootes1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jun 20 17:15:30 2010
From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 16:15:30 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] TU XXXII PICTURES
Message-ID: <E1OQTjp-0002n9-Vn@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Just popped in and out.  Could stay. Better than nothing, but mostly 
IDs and engine bays.  Sorry for the crummy shots.

http://www.classictiger.com/norms/tu-xxxii/index.html


Norm

From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Sun Jun 20 18:16:40 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 20:16:40 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W19C39FB715E9C6DCF77793AAC00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C84427A8.3822%mcdangerous@verizon.net>

So, I'm wondering about carburetion.  On my 260, per expert advice, I have a
Holley 465 CFM carburetor installed -- sitting on an old Edelbrock F4B.  The
question is about my 289, which I'm in the process of installing.  The
engine has a mild cam, hydraulic lifters, original single point distributor,
Rick's headers and exhaust.  When I bought my car, the 260 had a Holley 600
CFM carb on it, which I replaced with the new 465 CFM carb.  For the 289, I
was wondering which would be the best choice.  I'm thinking of installing
either the 465, the 600, or a 715 CFM Holley.  I don't know if the biggest
carb would be best, or if that would simply make the car get horrible gas
mileage.  What do you think?  What do you have on your Tiger?  Thanks in
advance for your advice!  

From rootes1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jun 20 19:26:22 2010
From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 18:26:22 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] TU XXXII PICTURES
In-Reply-To: <E1OQTjp-0002n9-Vn@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <E1OQTjp-0002n9-Vn@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <E1OQVmT-0007mI-JY@elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Of course I meant "couldn't 
stay".  http://www.classictiger.com/norms/tu-xxxii/index.html

Norm

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Jun 20 19:30:47 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 11:30:47 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
In-Reply-To: <C84427A8.3822%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
References: <SNT111-W19C39FB715E9C6DCF77793AAC00@phx.gbl>
	<C84427A8.3822%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimAxx_XFTp8rXps14odwnTcDVwZm8oNL0MD23X0@mail.gmail.com>

You would have to be a moron to fit a 715 on a mild 289, especially given
you are running stock MKII motor.. ie stock heads and valves..?

Even 600 would be more than enough... no point bolting on a big carb with a
motor that doesnt flow enough to use it.

On 21 June 2010 10:16, Would U. Believe <mcdangerous at verizon.net> wrote:

> So, I'm wondering about carburetion.  On my 260, per expert advice, I have
> a
> Holley 465 CFM carburetor installed -- sitting on an old Edelbrock F4B.
>  The
> question is about my 289, which I'm in the process of installing.  The
> engine has a mild cam, hydraulic lifters, original single point
> distributor,
> Rick's headers and exhaust.  When I bought my car, the 260 had a Holley 600
> CFM carb on it, which I replaced with the new 465 CFM carb.  For the 289, I
> was wondering which would be the best choice.  I'm thinking of installing
> either the 465, the 600, or a 715 CFM Holley.  I don't know if the biggest
> carb would be best, or if that would simply make the car get horrible gas
> mileage.  What do you think?  What do you have on your Tiger?  Thanks in
> advance for your advice!
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Sun Jun 20 20:13:25 2010
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 21:13:25 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
In-Reply-To: <C84427A8.3822%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
References: <SNT111-W19C39FB715E9C6DCF77793AAC00@phx.gbl>
	<C84427A8.3822%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <000301cb10e7$5528d420$ff7a7c60$@rr.com>

Screw Holley..........put a 1.08 Autolite 4100 on that 289.  I have a 65
Mustang 4100 on my 260 and it runs like a scalded dog.  It cold starts like
a champ and idles at 700 rpm.  I had a 650 Holley on the engine and it was
way too big.  I am having a 1.12 4100 built for my 347 stroker.

Check out this forum - http://www.network54.com/Forum/88781/page-1

Once you go 4100, you never go back.  They are that good.

Duke
B382002037

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Would U. Believe
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 7:17 PM
To: Tigers Den
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger

So, I'm wondering about carburetion.  On my 260, per expert advice, I have a
Holley 465 CFM carburetor installed -- sitting on an old Edelbrock F4B.  The
question is about my 289, which I'm in the process of installing.  The
engine has a mild cam, hydraulic lifters, original single point distributor,
Rick's headers and exhaust.  When I bought my car, the 260 had a Holley 600
CFM carb on it, which I replaced with the new 465 CFM carb.  For the 289, I
was wondering which would be the best choice.  I'm thinking of installing
either the 465, the 600, or a 715 CFM Holley.  I don't know if the biggest
carb would be best, or if that would simply make the car get horrible gas
mileage.  What do you think?  What do you have on your Tiger?  Thanks in
advance for your advice!  
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Jun 20 20:29:41 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 12:29:41 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] TU XXXII PICTURES
In-Reply-To: <E1OQTjp-0002n9-Vn@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <E1OQTjp-0002n9-Vn@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilhlJbQnWto0umaorATqeqDA-FttuI2Fr5p7fqf@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the photos Norm, looks like a good turn out.. and nice weather..
the HSC car is just stunning.

Hopefully people will post some videos and pictures to the list and on the
boards in the next few days.

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Sun Jun 20 20:31:28 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 22:31:28 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
In-Reply-To: <000301cb10e7$5528d420$ff7a7c60$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <C8444740.382F%mcdangerous@verizon.net>

Yeah, I think you're right.  Probably, anything over 600 cubic feet per
minute flow is just too much.  I was just curious to hear confirmations of
that.  I will probably move the 465 CFM over to the 289 and see how it goes
before doing anything else. Next step up would be the 600CFM. I've got
Holley carburetors on the shelf and don't want to spend more money than I
have to, as much as I'd like to try your carb out!  Cheers.


On 6/20/10 10:13 PM, "wsamouce" <wsamouce at kc.rr.com> wrote:

> Screw Holley..........put a 1.08 Autolite 4100 on that 289.  I have a 65
> Mustang 4100 on my 260 and it runs like a scalded dog.  It cold starts like
> a champ and idles at 700 rpm.  I had a 650 Holley on the engine and it was
> way too big.  I am having a 1.12 4100 built for my 347 stroker.
> 
> Check out this forum - http://www.network54.com/Forum/88781/page-1
> 
> Once you go 4100, you never go back.  They are that good.
> 
> Duke
> B382002037
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Would U. Believe
> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 7:17 PM
> To: Tigers Den
> Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
> 
> So, I'm wondering about carburetion.  On my 260, per expert advice, I have a
> Holley 465 CFM carburetor installed -- sitting on an old Edelbrock F4B.  The
> question is about my 289, which I'm in the process of installing.  The
> engine has a mild cam, hydraulic lifters, original single point distributor,
> Rick's headers and exhaust.  When I bought my car, the 260 had a Holley 600
> CFM carb on it, which I replaced with the new 465 CFM carb.  For the 289, I
> was wondering which would be the best choice.  I'm thinking of installing
> either the 465, the 600, or a 715 CFM Holley.  I don't know if the biggest
> carb would be best, or if that would simply make the car get horrible gas
> mileage.  What do you think?  What do you have on your Tiger?  Thanks in
> advance for your advice!
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From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Sun Jun 20 20:46:08 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 22:46:08 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimAxx_XFTp8rXps14odwnTcDVwZm8oNL0MD23X0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8444AB0.3831%mcdangerous@verizon.net>

Jeez...Someone wake up on the wrong side of the bed?  Trust me, I9m no
moron.  That9s why I asked the question.

I get it,  you prefer to hotrod a Tiger with a 5.0 or a 302 or other engine
that never actually graced the engine bay of any Tiger when it was new.  I
got that.  FYI, I happen to like the idea of the MKII engine in my MK1A
Tiger and am putting a lot of effort into getting it right, to my own taste
and needs.  G9day mate.


On 6/20/10 9:30 PM, "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:

> You would have to be a moron to fit a 715 on a mild 289, especially given
you
> are running stock MKII motor.. ie stock heads and valves..?
>  
> Even 600 would be more than enough... no point bolting on a big carb with a
> motor that doesnt flow enough to use it.
>
> On 21 June 2010 10:16, Would U. Believe <mcdangerous at verizon.net> wrote:
>> So, I'm wondering about carburetion.  On my 260, per expert advice, I have
a
>> Holley 465 CFM carburetor installed -- sitting on an old Edelbrock F4B.
 The
>> question is about my 289, which I'm in the process of installing.  The
>> engine has a mild cam, hydraulic lifters, original single point
distributor,
>> Rick's headers and exhaust.  When I bought my car, the 260 had a Holley
600
>> CFM carb on it, which I replaced with the new 465 CFM carb.  For the 289,
I
>> was wondering which would be the best choice.  I'm thinking of installing
>> either the 465, the 600, or a 715 CFM Holley.  I don't know if the biggest
>> carb would be best, or if that would simply make the car get horrible gas
>> mileage.  What do you think?  What do you have on your Tiger?  Thanks in
>> advance for your advice!
>> _______________________________________________
>> Tigers at autox.team.net
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Jun 20 21:21:50 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:21:50 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
In-Reply-To: <C8444AB0.3831%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
References: <AANLkTimAxx_XFTp8rXps14odwnTcDVwZm8oNL0MD23X0@mail.gmail.com>
	<C8444AB0.3831%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin13E0-bM0fQ6L3_TluMp1LPVhYpLVITQeuSbZX@mail.gmail.com>

Mauro,

Moron was probaly not the word to use.. and it was not aimed at you.. more a
general comment about people putting the laregest carb on a motor thinking
that gives them more power/faster car.

However you seem to be asking very open ended questions that are not really
going to give you a focused result.

Perhaps instead of asking what's the "best" as ultimately that is
subjective, perhaps specify your engine setup and ask what a good carb is
for that and give an indication of intended use.

I know as does everyone else as you go on at length that you are putting a
MKII 289 in your engine bay.. and you are not near stock FYI.. but given you
are running a MKII iron head motor and given you have not said you are
putting large valves, roller rockers or other performance mods other than
perhaps a mild cam jabbing a large holley on the car is only going to make
it thirsty and on the street slower than you would be with a better sized
carb.. the CFM rates relate to the amount the carb will flow.. there are
good graphs to point you in the right direction for what suits your car,
also you say you have the stock igntion.. arent you planning on changing it
from stock to modified given you quest for the "best" ingntion setup?

The list is a great resource, it helps lots of people, and in theory the
only dumb quesiton is the one not asked, however.. the more open ended the
question the more open ended the answers and thats not really gogin to help
you or anyone.

As a side noet you mention a 5.0 or a 302.. they are the same capactity
engine ;-)


-- 
Regards

Michael King

From sganz at pacbell.net  Sun Jun 20 22:01:10 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 21:01:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
In-Reply-To: <C84427A8.3822%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
References: <C84427A8.3822%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <734935.18280.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Give this a try to see where you end up...
http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/CarbCFMCalc.html

Sandy



----- Original Message
----
From: Would U. Believe <mcdangerous at verizon.net>
To: Tigers Den
<tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, June 20, 2010 5:16:40 PM
Subject: [Tigers]
Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger

So, I'm wondering about carburetion.  On my
260, per expert advice, I have a
Holley 465 CFM carburetor installed --
sitting on an old Edelbrock F4B.  The
question is about my 289, which I'm in
the process of installing.  The
engine has a mild cam, hydraulic lifters,
original single point distributor,
Rick's headers and exhaust.  When I bought
my car, the 260 had a Holley 600
CFM carb on it, which I replaced with the new
465 CFM carb.  For the 289, I
was wondering which would be the best choice. 
I'm thinking of installing
either the 465, the 600, or a 715 CFM Holley.  I
don't know if the biggest
carb would be best, or if that would simply make the
car get horrible gas
mileage.  What do you think?  What do you have on your
Tiger?  Thanks in
advance for your advice! 
_______________________________________________
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Jun 21 07:12:30 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 09:12:30 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
In-Reply-To: <C84427A8.3822%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <C6882485FE594B5BA7598E015E693344@ronpc1>

	Carb choice depends on many factors; fuel pump is one.   The stock
fuel pump will only support an engine around 200 HP.  More HP requires more
fuel pump and more carb; ditto for more RPM's.  All the carb charts I have
seen indicate that the SBF engine needs 420 cfm @ 6500 rpm; 250 cfm @4000
rpms.

	The engine you built will have the best streetability with the 465
cfm carb.  Carbs respond to vacuum signals; smaller carbs can have better
vacuum signal and better response at low speeds.

The 1.08 Autolite carb Duke mentioned would be a good choice too.

	My stock 260 with a 300 cfm 2bbl has out performed many 4bbl setups
but much of that can be attributed to the guy and brains behind the wheel.
I can also get 28 mpg in cruise mode with the 4 sp.

	I would suggest you install the 465 cfm or an Autolite first and
judge the results.

Ron Fraser





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Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 8:17 PM
To: Tigers Den
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger


So, I'm wondering about carburetion.  On my 260, per expert advice, I have a
Holley 465 CFM carburetor installed -- sitting on an old Edelbrock F4B.  The
question is about my 289, which I'm in the process of installing.  The
engine has a mild cam, hydraulic lifters, original single point distributor,
Rick's headers and exhaust.  When I bought my car, the 260 had a Holley 600
CFM carb on it, which I replaced with the new 465 CFM carb.  For the 289, I
was wondering which would be the best choice.  I'm thinking of installing
either the 465, the 600, or a 715 CFM Holley.  I don't know if the biggest
carb would be best, or if that would simply make the car get horrible gas
mileage.  What do you think?  What do you have on your Tiger?  Thanks in
advance for your advice!
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From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com  Mon Jun 21 07:13:14 2010
From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 09:13:14 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] TU XXXII PICTURES
Message-ID: <dd6e0.4b919800.3950bf6a@aol.com>

If those are crummy pictures then I'd really like to see the good  ones!
 
Fred Baum
 
 
In a message dated 6/20/2010 8:39:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
rootes1 at earthlink.net writes:

Just  popped in and out.  Could stay. Better than nothing, but mostly 
IDs  and engine bays.  Sorry for the crummy  shots.

http://www.classictiger.com/norms/tu-xxxii/index.html


Norm
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 21 09:38:59 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 08:38:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
In-Reply-To: <C6882485FE594B5BA7598E015E693344@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <503479.65443.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Very good post Ron and so right on. I wonder what U could make my mild cam
302, I think(PO installed) with a Dale A. AMC 5 speed conversion kit -TtT
installed. Certainly over 30 with your brain and the egg I place between my
foot and the gas pedal- don't laugh until you see how gas mileage improves or
you are cleaning up the egg on your face.
A late Happy Fathers Day to all my LIST friends and to the Tiger world not on
the list!!!
TonytheTiger

From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Mon Jun 21 10:05:02 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (mcdangerous at verizon.net)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 11:05:02 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Mon Jun 21 11:44:29 2010
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 12:44:29 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
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Ron,

Are you using an Autolite 2100?  What jet size in that two barrel?

My 4100 has 50 for primary jets.  A 320 mile trip recently yielded 16.8 MPG.
Seeing how I am running on the primaries only during cruise, what is the
secret for getting 28 MPG?  I am running 3800 RPM at 78 MPH.  I have a 3.07
final drive.  I also have a vacuum advance distributor.

I am looking for better mileage for my 1600 mile drive to Maine in Oct.

Thanks,
Duke
B382002037

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 8:13 AM
To: 'Would U. Believe'; 'Tigers Den'
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger

	Carb choice depends on many factors; fuel pump is one.   The stock
fuel pump will only support an engine around 200 HP.  More HP requires more
fuel pump and more carb; ditto for more RPM's.  All the carb charts I have
seen indicate that the SBF engine needs 420 cfm @ 6500 rpm; 250 cfm @4000
rpms.

	The engine you built will have the best streetability with the 465
cfm carb.  Carbs respond to vacuum signals; smaller carbs can have better
vacuum signal and better response at low speeds.

The 1.08 Autolite carb Duke mentioned would be a good choice too.

	My stock 260 with a 300 cfm 2bbl has out performed many 4bbl setups
but much of that can be attributed to the guy and brains behind the wheel.
I can also get 28 mpg in cruise mode with the 4 sp.

	I would suggest you install the 465 cfm or an Autolite first and
judge the results.

Ron Fraser





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On Behalf Of Would U. Believe
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 8:17 PM
To: Tigers Den
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger


So, I'm wondering about carburetion.  On my 260, per expert advice, I have a
Holley 465 CFM carburetor installed -- sitting on an old Edelbrock F4B.  The
question is about my 289, which I'm in the process of installing.  The
engine has a mild cam, hydraulic lifters, original single point distributor,
Rick's headers and exhaust.  When I bought my car, the 260 had a Holley 600
CFM carb on it, which I replaced with the new 465 CFM carb.  For the 289, I
was wondering which would be the best choice.  I'm thinking of installing
either the 465, the 600, or a 715 CFM Holley.  I don't know if the biggest
carb would be best, or if that would simply make the car get horrible gas
mileage.  What do you think?  What do you have on your Tiger?  Thanks in
advance for your advice!
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From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Mon Jun 21 12:41:58 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (mcdangerous at verizon.net)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:41:58 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
Message-ID: <1439505.1451957.1277145718090.JavaMail.root@vms064.mailsrvcs.net>

Thanks for that.  I will go with the 465 Holley.  It's running well-tuned on the 260, so it's a known quantity.  I want to be sure to thank everybody for their help and advice.  Cheers!  


Jun 21, 2010 08:12:43 AM, rfraser at bluefrog.com wrote:

	Carb choice depends on many factors; fuel pump is one.   The stock
fuel pump will only support an engine around 200 HP.  More HP requires more
fuel pump and more carb; ditto for more RPM's.  All the carb charts I have
seen indicate that the SBF engine needs 420 cfm @ 6500 rpm; 250 cfm @4000
rpms.

	The engine you built will have the best streetability with the 465
cfm carb.  Carbs respond to vacuum signals; smaller carbs can have better
vacuum signal and better response at low speeds.

The 1.08 Autolite carb Duke mentioned would be a good choice too.

	My stock 260 with a 300 cfm 2bbl has out performed many 4bbl setups
but much of that can be attributed to the guy and brains behind the wheel.
I can also get 28 mpg in cruise mode with the 4 sp.

	I would suggest you install the 465 cfm or an Autolite first and
judge the results.

Ron Fraser





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On Behalf Of Would U. Believe
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 8:17 PM
To: Tigers Den
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger


So, I'm wondering about carburetion.  On my 260, per expert advice, I have a
Holley 465 CFM carburetor installed -- sitting on an old Edelbrock F4B.  The
question is about my 289, which I'm in the process of installing.  The
engine has a mild cam, hydraulic lifters, original single point distributor,
Rick's headers and exhaust.  When I bought my car, the 260 had a Holley 600
CFM carb on it, which I replaced with the new 465 CFM carb.  For the 289, I
was wondering which would be the best choice.  I'm thinking of installing
either the 465, the 600, or a 715 CFM Holley.  I don't know if the biggest
carb would be best, or if that would simply make the car get horrible gas
mileage.  What do you think?  What do you have on your Tiger?  Thanks in
advance for your advice!  
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Jun 21 13:58:04 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 15:58:04 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimVuv8Pd7D6Mg3wyG79ZkrZqbofYXVOx0J4_4G6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7073605360804255AFAB63E0F13C3AE0@ronpc1>

BTW, when the Tiger ran I'd have been proud to get 18 - 20 MPG at highway
speeds. I think 28 MPG is a tad high with a 4 speed, improbable even with a
carbureted engine and a 5 speed, but probable with a 5 speed, fuel injection
and an engine management system.





I easily get 25 MPG and my friends MK II with 600 cfm, 4 bbl gets about 22
MPG.   I once saw 29 MPG but only once.   I'm pushing the ignition and carb
tune on my 260 to the max and I hope to cross the 30 MPG mark.   If I do
cross 30 MPG constantly I will report back on that.

Ron Fraser

260, 2 bbl, 4sp

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Mon Jun 21 14:44:31 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:44:31 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
References: <1439505.1451957.1277145718090.JavaMail.root@vms064.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <C62D6F2DFD0348608E02F71759EE682E@student2>

Another option is the Edelbrock (Carter). The way the secondaries work give 
a bit of latitude with a larger carburetor.  I picked up an Edelbrock 
(cheap - of course) that is a 625 CFM. My 289 has an unknown, but more 
radical cam than stock. Ideally I wanted a smaller carb.  However, when I 
looked up the primary side it was the same as a 500 CFM.  So, when (if) I 
ever get my car going I was going to slow the opening of the secondaries and 
hope for the best.

Theo, isn't a Canadian gallon different from a US gallon?  There is a guy on 
my Mopar side of life who claims 28 MPG from his Chrysler 5th Ave. with Auto 
(no overdrive).  He lives above the great lakes also.

Duke, 16.8 MPG @ 78 MPH (3,800 rpm) with 3.07's doesn't sound all that bad - 
considering.

Tom 

From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 21 16:04:07 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:04:07 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
In-Reply-To: <7073605360804255AFAB63E0F13C3AE0@ronpc1>
References: <AANLkTimVuv8Pd7D6Mg3wyG79ZkrZqbofYXVOx0J4_4G6@mail.gmail.com>
	<7073605360804255AFAB63E0F13C3AE0@ronpc1>
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Ron,

I'm certainly not doubting you, and you've given me something to shoot for.
Thanks!

Tom

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

>
>
> BTW, when the Tiger ran I'd have been proud to get 18 - 20 MPG at highway
> speeds. I think 28 MPG is a tad high with a 4 speed, improbable even with a
> carbureted engine and a 5 speed, but probable with a 5 speed, fuel injection
> and an engine management system.
>
>
>
> I easily get 25 MPG and my friends MK II with 600 cfm, 4 bbl gets about 22
> MPG.   I once saw 29 MPG but only once.   I'm pushing the ignition and carb
> tune on my 260 to the max and I hope to cross the 30 MPG mark.   If I do
> cross 30 MPG constantly I will report back on that.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> 260, 2 bbl, 4sp

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Jun 21 16:33:17 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 17:33:17 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
In-Reply-To: <C62D6F2DFD0348608E02F71759EE682E@student2>
References: <1439505.1451957.1277145718090.JavaMail.root@vms064.mailsrvcs.net>
	<C62D6F2DFD0348608E02F71759EE682E@student2>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06843CD67933@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

Back when we measured in gallons (Canada went metric in '76), Canada used
Imperial gallons, so that would be 4.54 litres where a US gallon is 3.78. The
Tiger's fuel tank capacity (as displayed on the gauge) is measured in UK
gallons too, as far as I know.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt
> Sent: June 21, 2010 2:45 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
>
> Another option is the Edelbrock (Carter). The way the secondaries work
> give
> a bit of latitude with a larger carburetor.  I picked up an Edelbrock
> (cheap - of course) that is a 625 CFM. My 289 has an unknown, but more
> radical cam than stock. Ideally I wanted a smaller carb.  However, when
> I
> looked up the primary side it was the same as a 500 CFM.  So, when (if)
> I
> ever get my car going I was going to slow the opening of the
> secondaries and
> hope for the best.
>
> Theo, isn't a Canadian gallon different from a US gallon?  There is a
> guy on
> my Mopar side of life who claims 28 MPG from his Chrysler 5th Ave. with
> Auto
> (no overdrive).  He lives above the great lakes also.
>
> Duke, 16.8 MPG @ 78 MPH (3,800 rpm) with 3.07's doesn't sound all that
> bad -
> considering.
>
> Tom
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Jun 21 17:18:38 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:18:38 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
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US gallon= 128oz.
 
Canadian Imperial Gallon  135.26   oz.
 
 
In a message dated 6/21/2010 6:28:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
atwittsend at verizon.net writes:

Another  option is the Edelbrock (Carter). The way the secondaries work 
give 
a bit  of latitude with a larger carburetor.  I picked up an Edelbrock  
(cheap - of course) that is a 625 CFM. My 289 has an unknown, but more  
radical cam than stock. Ideally I wanted a smaller carb.  However,  when I 
looked up the primary side it was the same as a 500 CFM.  So,  when (if) I 
ever get my car going I was going to slow the opening of the  secondaries 
and 
hope for the best.

Theo, isn't a Canadian gallon  different from a US gallon?  There is a guy 
on 
my Mopar side of life  who claims 28 MPG from his Chrysler 5th Ave. with 
Auto 
(no  overdrive).  He lives above the great lakes also.

Duke, 16.8 MPG @  78 MPH (3,800 rpm) with 3.07's doesn't sound all that bad 
-  
considering.

Tom  
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Jun 21 17:21:21 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:21:21 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
Message-ID: <bdf0f.215df76d.39514df1@aol.com>

Hey, how fast do you guys drive:-)  Someone wrote  and talked about 3,800 
rpm at 78 mph.  Do you really have  place where  you can cruise at 78?  If 
so, I can see why the mileage  suffers.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 6/21/2010 7:17:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
tkparker1941 at gmail.com writes:

Ron,

I'm certainly not doubting you, and you've given me  something to shoot for.
Thanks!

Tom

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at  3:58 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>  wrote:

>
>
> BTW, when the Tiger ran I'd have been proud  to get 18 - 20 MPG at highway
> speeds. I think 28 MPG is a tad high  with a 4 speed, improbable even 
with a
> carbureted engine and a 5  speed, but probable with a 5 speed, fuel 
injection
> and an engine  management system.
>
>
>
> I easily get 25 MPG and my  friends MK II with 600 cfm, 4 bbl gets about 
22
> MPG.   I  once saw 29 MPG but only once.   I'm pushing the ignition and  
carb
> tune on my 260 to the max and I hope to cross the 30 MPG  mark.   If I do
> cross 30 MPG constantly I will report back  on that.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> 260, 2 bbl,  4sp
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From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net  Mon Jun 21 17:45:09 2010
From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 16:45:09 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
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References: <C84427A8.3822%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
	<C6882485FE594B5BA7598E015E693344@ronpc1>
	<000001cb1169$66ab4610$3401d230$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <4C1FF985.4070400@cox.net>

Duke:
Hardtop.

Best Regards and have a great drive in Oct!
David Sosna

wsamouce wrote:
> Ron,
>
> Are you using an Autolite 2100?  What jet size in that two barrel?
>
> My 4100 has 50 for primary jets.  A 320 mile trip recently yielded 16.8 MPG.
> Seeing how I am running on the primaries only during cruise, what is the
> secret for getting 28 MPG?  I am running 3800 RPM at 78 MPH.  I have a 3.07
> final drive.  I also have a vacuum advance distributor.
>
> I am looking for better mileage for my 1600 mile drive to Maine in Oct.
>
> Thanks,
> Duke
> B382002037
>
>
>   


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From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Mon Jun 21 17:51:05 2010
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 16:51:05 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
References: <7073605360804255AFAB63E0F13C3AE0@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <A0B02F29A13C492F8ACFC4F2A0D72C7B@your4dacd0ea75>

Last summer we drove one of our Tigers over 3500 miles in ten days to & from 
SUNI.

It was equipped with a H-Po 289 & a Holley 600 cfm Vac secondary carb with a 
T-5.

To the seat of the pants, the felt great even at nearly 11,000' elevation 
over the Bear Tooth Highway in Montana. Door to door we averaged almost 24 
MPG. We never changed jets but twice adjusted the idle screws on the 
primaries (about 1/12th a turn each  time.)

However we also borrowed a neat device from our racecar - an Innovate LM-1. 
The LM-1 reads fuel ratios and is accurate to a tenth. We took notes of 
manifold vacuum, fuel ratio, speed and elevation the entire trip.

Since I was a teenager, I've "known" that a properly adjusted 1850 runs fine 
with a 289. However I live on the edge of the Pacific Ocean, literally at 
sea level. What I discovered last summer is that there is not enough signal 
for this carburetor once the vehicle has climbed above 4 to 5,000' 
elevation. The carb works but the precision disappears. At the higher 
elevations the carb was always too rich or too lean. It was never "just 
right". Then on the way home, as we decended from Park City to Provo, the 
precision came back to life. Last summer I learned that the Holley engineers 
knew much more than I'd given them credit for. (I owe them an apology.)

One caveat. Many of the smaller (Holley) carbs do not have a port for a PCV. 
You can run a plate under the carb but some Tigers then have air cleaner 
issues. Many years ago Steve Laithman combined the top of his 450 with the 
base plate of a 600 which had the PCV port. I like to run the PCV valve 
because it keeps the engine compartment cleaner.

Right now we're experimenting/dialing in a 390 CFM Holley as a replacement 
for the 600CFM. It's looking encouraging.

Buck Trippel


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To: "'Tom Parker'" <tkparker1941 at gmail.com>; "'wsamouce'" 
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger


> BTW, when the Tiger ran I'd have been proud to get 18 - 20 MPG at highway
> speeds. I think 28 MPG is a tad high with a 4 speed, improbable even with 
> a
> carbureted engine and a 5 speed, but probable with a 5 speed, fuel 
> injection
> and an engine management system.
>
>
>
>
>
> I easily get 25 MPG and my friends MK II with 600 cfm, 4 bbl gets about 22
> MPG.   I once saw 29 MPG but only once.   I'm pushing the ignition and 
> carb
> tune on my 260 to the max and I hope to cross the 30 MPG mark.   If I do
> cross 30 MPG constantly I will report back on that.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> 260, 2 bbl, 4sp

From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Mon Jun 21 18:03:30 2010
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 20:03:30 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] fuel milage
Message-ID: <006601cb119e$5937b880$0201a8c0@chesapeake4>

If fuel milage is an issue I would think that the oem 2.88 rear would be in
order,  keep the RPM's low,  that's what all the new cars do,  but they do
have up to 8 speed transmissions and tall rear gears,  many new cars are under
2K rpm at 70 plus MPH,  remember in the 60's with 28 cent high test gas milage
was not an issue,  Clyde --  just a note

From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Jun 21 18:25:30 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 20:25:30 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
Message-ID: <c1754.296fc6ef.39515cfa@aol.com>

Theo,
I guess I remember the Imperial gallon.  I  thought an Imperial Gallon was 
4 liters. No?
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 6/21/2010 8:10:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
Theo.Smit at dynastream.com writes:

Back  when we measured in gallons (Canada went metric in '76), Canada  used
Imperial gallons, so that would be 4.54 litres where a US gallon is  3.78. 
The
Tiger's fuel tank capacity (as displayed on the gauge) is  measured in UK
gallons too, as far as I know.

Theo

>  -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net  [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas  Witt
> Sent: June 21, 2010 2:45 PM
> To:  tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the  Tiger
>
> Another option is the Edelbrock (Carter). The way the  secondaries work
> give
> a bit of latitude with a larger  carburetor.  I picked up an Edelbrock
> (cheap - of course) that is  a 625 CFM. My 289 has an unknown, but more
> radical cam than stock.  Ideally I wanted a smaller carb.  However, when
> I
> looked  up the primary side it was the same as a 500 CFM.  So, when (if)
>  I
> ever get my car going I was going to slow the opening of the
>  secondaries and
> hope for the best.
>
> Theo, isn't a  Canadian gallon different from a US gallon?  There is a
> guy  on
> my Mopar side of life who claims 28 MPG from his Chrysler 5th Ave.  with
> Auto
> (no overdrive).  He lives above the great lakes  also.
>
> Duke, 16.8 MPG @ 78 MPH (3,800 rpm) with 3.07's doesn't  sound all that
> bad -
> considering.
>
> Tom
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From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Mon Jun 21 19:09:59 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:09:59 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
In-Reply-To: <A0B02F29A13C492F8ACFC4F2A0D72C7B@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <C84585A7.388C%mcdangerous@verizon.net>

Hi.  I use a Boss 302 spacer under my 1848.  It's very thin and has a port
for the PCV valve.  Can you run a Tiger with no spacer?  I thought the high
heat would certainly cause the carb to boil.


On 6/21/10 7:51 PM, "Buck Trippel" <BuckTrippel at Verizon.net> wrote:

> Last summer we drove one of our Tigers over 3500 miles in ten days to & from
> SUNI.
> 
> It was equipped with a H-Po 289 & a Holley 600 cfm Vac secondary carb with a
> T-5.
> 
> To the seat of the pants, the felt great even at nearly 11,000' elevation
> over the Bear Tooth Highway in Montana. Door to door we averaged almost 24
> MPG. We never changed jets but twice adjusted the idle screws on the
> primaries (about 1/12th a turn each  time.)
> 
> However we also borrowed a neat device from our racecar - an Innovate LM-1.
> The LM-1 reads fuel ratios and is accurate to a tenth. We took notes of
> manifold vacuum, fuel ratio, speed and elevation the entire trip.
> 
> Since I was a teenager, I've "known" that a properly adjusted 1850 runs fine
> with a 289. However I live on the edge of the Pacific Ocean, literally at
> sea level. What I discovered last summer is that there is not enough signal
> for this carburetor once the vehicle has climbed above 4 to 5,000'
> elevation. The carb works but the precision disappears. At the higher
> elevations the carb was always too rich or too lean. It was never "just
> right". Then on the way home, as we decended from Park City to Provo, the
> precision came back to life. Last summer I learned that the Holley engineers
> knew much more than I'd given them credit for. (I owe them an apology.)
> 
> One caveat. Many of the smaller (Holley) carbs do not have a port for a PCV.
> You can run a plate under the carb but some Tigers then have air cleaner
> issues. Many years ago Steve Laithman combined the top of his 450 with the
> base plate of a 600 which had the PCV port. I like to run the PCV valve
> because it keeps the engine compartment cleaner.
> 
> Right now we're experimenting/dialing in a 390 CFM Holley as a replacement
> for the 600CFM. It's looking encouraging.
> 
> Buck Trippel
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: " Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
> To: "'Tom Parker'" <tkparker1941 at gmail.com>; "'wsamouce'"
> <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
> Cc: "'Tigers Den'" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 12:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
> 
> 
>> BTW, when the Tiger ran I'd have been proud to get 18 - 20 MPG at highway
>> speeds. I think 28 MPG is a tad high with a 4 speed, improbable even with
>> a
>> carbureted engine and a 5 speed, but probable with a 5 speed, fuel
>> injection
>> and an engine management system.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I easily get 25 MPG and my friends MK II with 600 cfm, 4 bbl gets about 22
>> MPG.   I once saw 29 MPG but only once.   I'm pushing the ignition and
>> carb
>> tune on my 260 to the max and I hope to cross the 30 MPG mark.   If I do
>> cross 30 MPG constantly I will report back on that.
>> 
>> Ron Fraser
>> 
>> 260, 2 bbl, 4sp
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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 21 19:26:00 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:26:00 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] fuel milage
In-Reply-To: <006601cb119e$5937b880$0201a8c0@chesapeake4>
References: <006601cb119e$5937b880$0201a8c0@chesapeake4>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimWE6XiXysIPIwv6yhLCww4Hi4X_le0u7FTCshc@mail.gmail.com>

I'm shooting for @24 inch diameter tires and the 2.88 differential. That
should keep the revs down. With the wide ration Toploader the car should
still have reasonable acceleration.

Tom
' 67 Mark 2

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Clyde McLaughlin <
clydemclaughlin at verizon.net> wrote:

> If fuel milage is an issue I would think that the oem 2.88 rear would be in
> order,  keep the RPM's low,  that's what all the new cars do,  but they do
> have up to 8 speed transmissions and tall rear gears,  many new cars are
> under
> 2K rpm at 70 plus MPH,  remember in the 60's with 28 cent high test gas
> milage
> was not an issue,  Clyde --  just a note
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From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Mon Jun 21 19:54:35 2010
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:54:35 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
Message-ID: <4C2017DB.1000104@roadrunner.com>

It's a long story, but I have been running a Holley 1850 on my tweaked 
260 and have been thinking of changing it since the prevailing opinion 
is that it is too much carb for the 260.  One of the other carbs I have 
seen that seems like it might work is the Edelbrock 1403/1404 which is 
rated at 500 cfm.  Anybody have any experience or thoughts on this?

Tod
B3820022384LRXFE

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Mon Jun 21 20:07:43 2010
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 22:07:43 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Rootes United 2010
Message-ID: <4C201AEF.3060901@roadrunner.com>

As most of you know, we have been working diligently to organize TE/AE's 
annual United to be held on Oct 7-10 in and around Rockland, Maine.  If 
you haven't looked at the information, you can find it at 
http://www.teae.org or http://www.RootesAmerica.org.  The registration 
forms are now online and you can pay by credit card or PayPal.  Rooms at 
the Samoset resort http://www.samosetresort.com/ are filling up fast.  
Just make sure that you mention te/ae when registering to get the 
preferred rate.  Hope to see you all there!  Contact me for more info if 
needed.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From lpaulick1 at verizon.net  Tue Jun 22 05:48:37 2010
From: lpaulick1 at verizon.net (Larry Paulick)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 07:48:37 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
In-Reply-To: <4C2017DB.1000104@roadrunner.com>
References: <4C2017DB.1000104@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <4C20A315.8060703@verizon.net>

There are several ways to match the carb to the engine.  Size, cam, 
intended use, intake and wallet.

I have a 1990 5.0L with roller cam (stock) and added roller rockers 
(which add some lift).

I believe the best way is to call the manufacturer, in my case Holley, 
and ask for a match, based on the above, and then, and most important to 
really make the carb work, find someone who knows what they are doing 
and have the car dyno tuned.

You need to change jets, timing, spark gap to your car, or you are not 
realizing the true potential of the engine.  Just using a formula and 
installing the carb is not the answer.

I am using the above engine, an F4B, and a Holley Double Pumper 650 cfm.

It is smooth over the entire range, and only stumbles at 1000 rpm or 
less when I mash the throttle, as the double pumpers adds the the 
secondary gas as opposed to the vac secondary carb.

So is this carb, ie the 650 too big, absolutely not.

Larry

On 6/21/10 9:54 PM, Tod Brown wrote:
> It's a long story, but I have been running a Holley 1850 on my tweaked
> 260 and have been thinking of changing it since the prevailing opinion
> is that it is too much carb for the 260.  One of the other carbs I have
> seen that seems like it might work is the Edelbrock 1403/1404 which is
> rated at 500 cfm.  Anybody have any experience or thoughts on this?
>
> Tod
> B3820022384LRXFE
> _________________________________________

From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com  Tue Jun 22 06:54:17 2010
From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 08:54:17 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
Message-ID: <5e54c.2d086fb1.39520c79@aol.com>

I have a 1404 on my stock 260. I put it on 18 years ago and have not  
touched it since. I get about 20 MPG on the highway at 70 MPH all day long. 2.88  
rear gears, standard 4-speed.
 
Fred Baum
 
 
In a message dated 6/21/2010 10:46:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
todbrown at roadrunner.com writes:

It's a  long story, but I have been running a Holley 1850 on my tweaked 
260 and  have been thinking of changing it since the prevailing opinion 
is that it  is too much carb for the 260.  One of the other carbs I have 
seen  that seems like it might work is the Edelbrock 1403/1404 which is 
rated at  500 cfm.  Anybody have any experience or thoughts on  this?

Tod
B3820022384LRXFE
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From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 22 07:45:38 2010
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 06:45:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
In-Reply-To: <bdf0f.215df76d.39514df1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <615926.42342.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi,
     WOW  Any milage @3800 with a Tiger sounds like a dream...I have never
heard of an Alpine getting that kind of milage..Who builds your motors..The
Big Two need his expertise..;-)
zym
    

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Mon, 6/21/10, CoolVT at aol.com <CoolVT at aol.com> wrote:


From: CoolVT at aol.com <CoolVT at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
To: tkparker1941 at gmail.com, rfraser at bluefrog.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 7:21 PM


Hey, how fast do you guys drive:-)  Someone wrote  and talked about 3,800
rpm at 78 mph.  Do you really have  place where  you can cruise at 78?  If
so, I can see why the mileage  suffers.
Mark


In a message dated 6/21/2010 7:17:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
tkparker1941 at gmail.com writes:

Ron,

I'm certainly not doubting you, and you've given me  something to shoot for.
Thanks!

Tom

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at  3:58 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>  wrote:

>
>
> BTW, when the Tiger ran I'd have been proud  to get 18 - 20 MPG at highway
> speeds. I think 28 MPG is a tad high  with a 4 speed, improbable even
with a
> carbureted engine and a 5  speed, but probable with a 5 speed, fuel
injection
> and an engine  management system.
>
>
>
> I easily get 25 MPG and my  friends MK II with 600 cfm, 4 bbl gets about
22
> MPG.   I  once saw 29 MPG but only once.   I'm pushing the ignition and 
carb
> tune on my 260 to the max and I hope to cross the 30 MPG  mark.   If I do
> cross 30 MPG constantly I will report back  on that.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> 260, 2 bbl,  4sp
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From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 22 07:51:50 2010
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 06:51:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
In-Reply-To: <4C2017DB.1000104@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <515068.81156.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi,
     I ran a 500CFM on my hy-po 289 in Colorado at 5200 ft. elevation..It worked
like a finely mapped fuel injection system..Instant throttle response, great
milage(20) and just was a treat.
zym

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Mon, 6/21/10, Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com> wrote:


From: Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 9:54 PM


It's a long story, but I have been running a Holley 1850 on my tweaked
260 and have been thinking of changing it since the prevailing opinion
is that it is too much carb for the 260.  One of the other carbs I have
seen that seems like it might work is the Edelbrock 1403/1404 which is
rated at 500 cfm.  Anybody have any experience or thoughts on this?

Tod
B3820022384LRXFE
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Jun 22 07:56:42 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:56:42 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
In-Reply-To: <bdcaf.7562c34f.39514d4e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A33B522D61AD4C22A784C8733A019770@ronpc1>

I found these number for Imperial gal.

Imperial gal = 1.2 US gal

Imperial gal = 10 lbs.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger


US gallon= 128oz.

Canadian Imperial Gallon  135.26   oz.


In a message dated 6/21/2010 6:28:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
atwittsend at verizon.net writes:

Another  option is the Edelbrock (Carter). The way the secondaries work
give
a bit  of latitude with a larger carburetor.  I picked up an Edelbrock
(cheap - of course) that is a 625 CFM. My 289 has an unknown, but more
radical cam than stock. Ideally I wanted a smaller carb.  However,  when I
looked up the primary side it was the same as a 500 CFM.  So,  when (if) I
ever get my car going I was going to slow the opening of the  secondaries
and
hope for the best.

Theo, isn't a Canadian gallon  different from a US gallon?  There is a guy
on
my Mopar side of life  who claims 28 MPG from his Chrysler 5th Ave. with
Auto
(no  overdrive).  He lives above the great lakes also.

Duke, 16.8 MPG @  78 MPH (3,800 rpm) with 3.07's doesn't sound all that bad
-
considering.

Tom
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From Carmods at aol.com  Tue Jun 22 08:01:24 2010
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:01:24 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
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Ron, 
 
At what speed do you get 28 MPG? 
 
Just as a reference point, the last time I checked the mileage, I got  26 
MPG with;
    *   302 CID Ford crate motor with 10/1 Compression 
    *   Holley 600 CFM Carburetor with  #65 Jets and no special economy  
tuning  
    *   Vacuum Advance  
    *   5 Speed with .6 Overdrive and 2.88 Rear Gears 
    *   Loaded with two adults and as much luggage as the car will hold 
    *   Mostly interstate highway  
    *   70/75 MPH with Cruise control  
    *   Top up
I'm sure I could improve the mileage with a smaller carburetor.
 
John Logan

From mark.rense at ge.com  Tue Jun 22 08:35:24 2010
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd))
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:35:24 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor - Edelbrock
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I too have a shelf full of Holleys and that's where they will stay. I
have been an avid user of the Edelbrock Performer series carbs for many
years, I have built five SFB engines of varying displacements and have
used either the 500 CFM (1404) on the stock sized engines or the 600 cfm
(1406) series on the strokers without issue. The ability to change jets
in a few minutes is great, the floats stay adjusted, and the split line
is above the gas level so they don't leak. The carbs use a two position
needle jet that adjusts the mixture depending on vacuum level so I can
jet them lean for highway and nice and fat when I punch the loud pedal.
They resist boil-over, and they seem impervious to the swill we call
premium gas around here.

If you buy one, be sure to spend the extra $40 and get the jet/needle
tuning kit.

Bugz

From allanballard at att.net  Tue Jun 22 08:37:46 2010
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:37:46 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
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References: <615926.42342.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <40A88170-C01A-440A-8489-29621AD7041B@att.net>

>  have never heard of an Alpine getting that kind of milage


Alpines with Overdrive and a Weber routinely get 30's MPG at highway speeds.

My stock 2bbl Mk1a Tiger -- according to it's log book - got 32.9 mpg at
odometer 091 miles ranging up to mid 30's over the initial years
with additional entries entries in the teens.

I have only driven the car a half mile or so prior to repairs made necessary
by 28 years of storage, so I have no idea how the
mileage will be now.






On Jun 22, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Howard gentry wrote:

> Hi,
>     WOW  Any milage @3800 with a Tiger sounds like a dream...I have never
> heard of an Alpine getting that kind of milage..Who builds your motors..The
> Big Two need his expertise..;-)
> zym
>
>
> The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.
>
> --- On Mon, 6/21/10, CoolVT at aol.com <CoolVT at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: CoolVT at aol.com <CoolVT at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor(s) for the Tiger
> To: tkparker1941 at gmail.com, rfraser at bluefrog.com
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 7:21 PM
>
>
> Hey, how fast do you guys drive:-)  Someone wrote  and talked about 3,800
> rpm at 78 mph.  Do you really have  place where  you can cruise at 78?  If
> so, I can see why the mileage  suffers.
> Mark
>
>
> In a message dated 6/21/2010 7:17:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> tkparker1941 at gmail.com writes:
>
> Ron,
>
> I'm certainly not doubting you, and you've given me  something to shoot
for.
> Thanks!
>
> Tom
>
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at  3:58 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> BTW, when the Tiger ran I'd have been proud  to get 18 - 20 MPG at highway
>> speeds. I think 28 MPG is a tad high  with a 4 speed, improbable even
> with a
>> carbureted engine and a 5  speed, but probable with a 5 speed, fuel
> injection
>> and an engine  management system.
>>
>>
>>
>> I easily get 25 MPG and my  friends MK II with 600 cfm, 4 bbl gets about
> 22
>> MPG.   I  once saw 29 MPG but only once.   I'm pushing the ignition and
> carb
>> tune on my 260 to the max and I hope to cross the 30 MPG  mark.   If I do
>> cross 30 MPG constantly I will report back  on that.
>>
>> Ron Fraser
>>
>> 260, 2 bbl,  4sp
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 22 08:45:54 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 07:45:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] thermostat reccomendations
In-Reply-To: <5e54c.2d086fb1.39520c79@aol.com>
Message-ID: <287681.91534.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My Tiger runs cooler than anyone would believe- even me and Ive checked it
with a thermal unit and the gauge is almost exact when I compare the two
readings. Last Turkey day weekend I drove to WVa to be with family and on my
night time return drive , I almost froze until I put cardboard in front of the
radiator- I then received better heat-- what degree should I be running. It is
hotter than hadies here right now but gets pretty cold in winter.
THANKS in advance.The engine has a quater race cam according to the PO and Im
not sure if it is a 289 or 302- headers, after market fan and good heater core
and it's fan blows average- which isn't saying a lot.
TonytheTiger



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From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 09:23:43 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:23:43 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] thermostat reccomendations
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Tony,

>From your description it's acting like the thermostat never closes or may
have been gutted. Rick at SS shows a 160 degree thermostat for summer. 180
for winter for the Alpine, I would think that would apply to the Tiger as
well. Stock Ford, of course.

I'm using a 160 degree thermostat in my ' 67.

Tom
' 67 Mark 2

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> My Tiger runs cooler than anyone would believe- even me and Ive checked it
> with a thermal unit and the gauge is almost exact when I compare the two
> readings. Last Turkey day weekend I drove to WVa to be with family and on
> my
> night time return drive , I almost froze until I put cardboard in front of
> the
> radiator- I then received better heat-- what degree should I be running. It
> is
> hotter than hadies here right now but gets pretty cold in winter.
> THANKS in advance.The engine has a quater race cam according to the PO and
> Im
> not sure if it is a 289 or 302- headers, after market fan and good heater
> core
> and it's fan blows average- which isn't saying a lot.
> TonytheTiger
>
>
>
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From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Tue Jun 22 09:40:08 2010
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 08:40:08 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
References: <515068.81156.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <64311E2FE9EA480D99C891C663CDC397@your4dacd0ea75>

It's probably a good time to remember that the CFM ratings on two barrels 
are measured using different criteria than used for quads.

A 500 CFM two barrel does not flow as much as a 500 CFM 4-barrel. The 500 
CFM two barrel would flow about the same as a 360 CFM four barrel.

Buck Trippel


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Howard gentry" <zymmer4 at yahoo.com>
To: "Tod Brown" <todbrown at roadrunner.com>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor


> Hi,
>     I ran a 500CFM on my hy-po 289 in Colorado at 5200 ft. elevation..It 
> worked
> like a finely mapped fuel injection system..Instant throttle response, 
> great
> milage(20) and just was a treat.
> zym
>
> The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.
>
> --- On Mon, 6/21/10, Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 9:54 PM
>
>
> It's a long story, but I have been running a Holley 1850 on my tweaked
> 260 and have been thinking of changing it since the prevailing opinion
> is that it is too much carb for the 260.  One of the other carbs I have
> seen that seems like it might work is the Edelbrock 1403/1404 which is
> rated at 500 cfm.  Anybody have any experience or thoughts on this?
>
> Tod
> B3820022384LRXFE
> _______________________________________________

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Tue Jun 22 10:20:32 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:20:32 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] thermostat reccomendations
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	<AANLkTimmmWMNrCtY-Ol__ZHxu8Ebg9J3fsWWJccMbtb2@mail.gmail.com>
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Late last summer, I put a flow restrictor in the water pump bypass hose bung
on the thermostat housing (the water pump bypass hose is the little 90 degree
hose between the thermostat housing and the water pump). In order to make sure
that I didn't inadvertently restrict the water pump flow too much if I were to
close the heater valve when the engine was cold, I drilled a couple more
bypass holes in the thermostat, to add to the one 1/8" hole I had previously
put in there. It turns out that the 1/8" hole, combined with the three 5/32"
holes I added, are too much. The engine does not warm up (i.e. hit the
thermostat's temperature) unless I'm really running the car hard, or unless
the outside temperature is above about 65 F and I'm moving under 30 MPH for
some time. This causes issues with my fuel injection system because it goes
into a warm-up enrichment mode when the coolant temperature is low.

I bought a new thermostat to put less holes in, but I haven't got around to
installing it yet - Tiger season is late this year.
Tony, Ford smallblocks are optimally run at about 190 degrees or even higher,
to minimize wear in the cylinder bores. If you have iron heads, then any
temperature over 180 that doesn't actually boil the coolant and cause it to
puke, is acceptable...

Theo

> On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > My Tiger runs cooler than anyone would believe- even me and Ive
> checked it


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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Jun 22 10:24:24 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:24:24 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] thermostat reccomendations
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	Ford small block engines are designed to have the least amount of
internal wear at 180 degrees.   Oils, ATF, power steering fluid and
basically all engine fluids are designed to run best around 200 degrees.
Higher temperatures degrade the fluids at an exponential rate.

I have a 180 degree thermostat and the engine runs at 180 degrees.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Tom Parker
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:24 AM
To: Tony Somebody
Cc: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net; todbrown at roadrunner.com
Subject: Re: [Tigers] thermostat reccomendations


Tony,

>From your description it's acting like the thermostat never closes or
>may
have been gutted. Rick at SS shows a 160 degree thermostat for summer. 180
for winter for the Alpine, I would think that would apply to the Tiger as
well. Stock Ford, of course.

I'm using a 160 degree thermostat in my ' 67.

Tom
' 67 Mark 2

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> My Tiger runs cooler than anyone would believe- even me and Ive
> checked it with a thermal unit and the gauge is almost exact when I
> compare the two readings. Last Turkey day weekend I drove to WVa to be
> with family and on my night time return drive , I almost froze until I
> put cardboard in front of the
> radiator- I then received better heat-- what degree should I be running.
It
> is
> hotter than hadies here right now but gets pretty cold in winter.
> THANKS in advance.The engine has a quater race cam according to the PO and
> Im
> not sure if it is a 289 or 302- headers, after market fan and good heater
> core
> and it's fan blows average- which isn't saying a lot.
> TonytheTiger
>
>
>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Jun 22 10:33:54 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:33:54 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
In-Reply-To: <64311E2FE9EA480D99C891C663CDC397@your4dacd0ea75>
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Buck 
	Excellent point.  I have found very little information about this
and would like to see more literature about this subject.   Anyone know a
good online source that compares 2 bbl vs 4 bbl, cfm procedures and the
differences?

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Buck Trippel
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:40 AM
To: Howard gentry; Tod Brown; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor


It's probably a good time to remember that the CFM ratings on two barrels 
are measured using different criteria than used for quads.

A 500 CFM two barrel does not flow as much as a 500 CFM 4-barrel. The 500 
CFM two barrel would flow about the same as a 360 CFM four barrel.

Buck Trippel


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Howard gentry" <zymmer4 at yahoo.com>
To: "Tod Brown" <todbrown at roadrunner.com>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor


> Hi,
>     I ran a 500CFM on my hy-po 289 in Colorado at 5200 ft. elevation..It
> worked
> like a finely mapped fuel injection system..Instant throttle response, 
> great
> milage(20) and just was a treat.
> zym
>
> The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.
>
> --- On Mon, 6/21/10, Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 9:54 PM
>
>
> It's a long story, but I have been running a Holley 1850 on my tweaked 
> 260 and have been thinking of changing it since the prevailing opinion 
> is that it is too much carb for the 260.  One of the other carbs I 
> have seen that seems like it might work is the Edelbrock 1403/1404 
> which is rated at 500 cfm.  Anybody have any experience or thoughts on 
> this?
>
> Tod
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From Greg.Koss at TRW.COM  Tue Jun 22 10:59:49 2010
From: Greg.Koss at TRW.COM (Greg Koss)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:59:49 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
In-Reply-To: <64311E2FE9EA480D99C891C663CDC397@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <515068.81156.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<64311E2FE9EA480D99C891C663CDC397@your4dacd0ea75>
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Buck, I guess I'll have to the "Doubting Thomas" on this one.  Do you have
reference material for this comment?

>>> "Buck Trippel" <BuckTrippel at Verizon.net> 6/22/2010 11:40 AM >>>
It's probably a good time to remember that the CFM ratings on two barrels
are measured using different criteria than used for quads.

A 500 CFM two barrel does not flow as much as a 500 CFM 4-barrel. The 500
CFM two barrel would flow about the same as a 360 CFM four barrel.

Buck Trippel


----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard gentry" <zymmer4 at yahoo.com>
To: "Tod Brown" <todbrown at roadrunner.com>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor


> Hi,
>     I ran a 500CFM on my hy-po 289 in Colorado at 5200 ft. elevation..It
> worked
> like a finely mapped fuel injection system..Instant throttle response,
> great
> milage(20) and just was a treat.
> zym
>
> The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.
>
> --- On Mon, 6/21/10, Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 9:54 PM
>
>
> It's a long story, but I have been running a Holley 1850 on my tweaked
> 260 and have been thinking of changing it since the prevailing opinion
> is that it is too much carb for the 260.  One of the other carbs I have
> seen that seems like it might work is the Edelbrock 1403/1404 which is
> rated at 500 cfm.  Anybody have any experience or thoughts on this?
>
> Tod
> B3820022384LRXFE
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From cars at wt-inc.com  Tue Jun 22 11:03:51 2010
From: cars at wt-inc.com (Lynn Wall)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:03:51 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] TU update
Message-ID: <006c01cb122c$e4374700$aca5d500$@com>

I haven't seen the results posted yet so I thought I would give you the
highlights, as I remember them.  I had a twelve hour drive so forgive me if
I get some wrong.  Others can fill in the gaps.

 

Lord Rootes - Dale A and his gorgeous black tiger

Personal Favorite - Ross Handy and his gorgeous black car

Wally Schoenfield (nicest stock Tiger) - Jeff Kane

 

Thanks to all that organized the event.  It was a blast as always.

 

Lynn

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Tue Jun 22 11:17:25 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:17:25 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
In-Reply-To: <DF81012C2FDD4FC4880062367718D567@ronpc1>
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	<DF81012C2FDD4FC4880062367718D567@ronpc1>
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Hi Ron,

http://www.candsspecialties.com/ratings.html

This might be a good start.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
> Sent: June 22, 2010 10:34 AM
> To: 'Buck Trippel'; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
>
> Buck
>       Excellent point.  I have found very little information about this
> and would like to see more literature about this subject.   Anyone know
> a
> good online source that compares 2 bbl vs 4 bbl, cfm procedures and the
> differences?
>
> Ron Fraser
>


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From cjcoffel at sonic.net  Tue Jun 22 11:29:15 2010
From: cjcoffel at sonic.net (cjcoffel at sonic.net)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:29:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers United XXXII Pictures
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A great time was had by all. I would say overall the most enjoyable event
I've ever been to. Congratulations to everyone involved.

Chris Coffel

I took a few pictures. The best way to view is with the slideshow on the
top right. You can also download the full size image by clicking on the
top left of the image or purchase prints by clicking on the top right.

Some great images. Tonight I will upload images of Jim Adams sitting in
the Hollywood car!

http://uberpilot.zenfolio.com/p373790708

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From: cjcoffel at sonic.net (cjcoffel at sonic.net)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:40:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] [Fwd: Re:  Tigers United XXXII Pictures]
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers United XXXII Pictures
From:    cjcoffel at sonic.net
Date:    Tue, June 22, 2010 10:29
To:      rfraser at bluefrog.com
Cc:      "'Buck Trippel'" <bucktrippel at verizon.net>
         tigers at autox.team.net
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A great time was had by all. I would say overall the most enjoyable event
I've ever been to. Congratulations to everyone involved.

Chris Coffel

I took a few pictures. The best way to view is with the slideshow on the
top right. You can also download the full size image by clicking on the
top left of the image or purchase prints by clicking on the top right.

Some great images. Tonight I will upload images of Jim Adams sitting in
the Hollywood car!

http://uberpilot.zenfolio.com/p373790708

From mark.rense at ge.com  Tue Jun 22 11:52:30 2010
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd))
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 13:52:30 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
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References: <515068.81156.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com><64311E2FE9EA480D99C891C663CDC397@your4dacd0ea75>
	<4C20B3EE.880C.0076.1@TRW.COM>
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Buck is correct. For now obscure reason establish a million years ago by
the SAE, the flow rate through a 2BBL carburetor is measured at 3.0
in./Hg. pressure drop and the 4BBL carbs are measured at 1.5 in./Hg.
pressure drop. So, a 500 CFM 2BBL compares to a 350 CFM 4BBL in flow. A
quick approximation is to take the rated CFM of a 2BBL and divide by the
square root of 2 (1.41421) to get the equivalent rating if it was a
4BBL.

Bugz

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Koss
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 1:00 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor

Buck, I guess I'll have to the "Doubting Thomas" on this one.  Do you
have reference material for this comment?

>>> "Buck Trippel" <BuckTrippel at Verizon.net> 6/22/2010 11:40 AM >>>
It's probably a good time to remember that the CFM ratings on two
barrels are measured using different criteria than used for quads.

A 500 CFM two barrel does not flow as much as a 500 CFM 4-barrel. The
500 CFM two barrel would flow about the same as a 360 CFM four barrel.

Buck Trippel


----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard gentry" <zymmer4 at yahoo.com>
To: "Tod Brown" <todbrown at roadrunner.com>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor


> Hi,
>     I ran a 500CFM on my hy-po 289 in Colorado at 5200 ft. elevation..It
> worked like a finely mapped fuel injection system..Instant throttle
> response, great
> milage(20) and just was a treat.
> zym
>
> The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.
>
> --- On Mon, 6/21/10, Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 9:54 PM
>
>
> It's a long story, but I have been running a Holley 1850 on my tweaked

> 260 and have been thinking of changing it since the prevailing opinion

> is that it is too much carb for the 260.  One of the other carbs I
> have seen that seems like it might work is the Edelbrock 1403/1404
> which is rated at 500 cfm.  Anybody have any experience or thoughts on
this?
>
> Tod
> B3820022384LRXFE
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Jun 22 12:04:20 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:04:20 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06843CD67A73@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <FFBD8FF784BC4BE8BC5768B1055FEABE@ronpc1>

Theo
	Yes, that is a good start and I also like the carb parts section.

Thank you

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Smit, Theo [mailto:Theo.Smit at dynastream.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 1:17 PM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; 'Buck Trippel'; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Best Carburetor


Hi Ron,

http://www.candsspecialties.com/ratings.html

This might be a good start.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
> Sent: June 22, 2010 10:34 AM
> To: 'Buck Trippel'; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
>
> Buck
>       Excellent point.  I have found very little information about this
> and would like to see more literature about this subject.   Anyone know
> a
> good online source that compares 2 bbl vs 4 bbl, cfm procedures and
> the differences?
>
> Ron Fraser
>


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From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 12:27:34 2010
From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (cullen mccann)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 13:27:34 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers United XXXII Pictures
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ok.....that is really cool. Chris - I guess you were using a highspeed
shutter or something right? if you go to an image such as "409" and
literally click the next slide arrow forward as fast as you can...it makes a
little movie and shows that black car spinning out in the weeds...and the
guy with the flag runs out of the way...the dust clears and settles and
everything....way too cool...its like im there! Im sure you need high speed
internet...but you guys should try this....

nice photos....incredibly nice...... and interactive too!

Cullen






-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of cjcoffel at sonic.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 12:29 PM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com
Cc: 'Buck Trippel'; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers United XXXII Pictures

A great time was had by all. I would say overall the most enjoyable event
I've ever been to. Congratulations to everyone involved.

Chris Coffel

I took a few pictures. The best way to view is with the slideshow on the
top right. You can also download the full size image by clicking on the
top left of the image or purchase prints by clicking on the top right.

Some great images. Tonight I will upload images of Jim Adams sitting in
the Hollywood car!

http://uberpilot.zenfolio.com/p373790708
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From jd.sencindiver at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 12:17:18 2010
From: jd.sencindiver at gmail.com (Jim Sencindiver)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:17:18 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
In-Reply-To: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A04309B6D@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <515068.81156.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<64311E2FE9EA480D99C891C663CDC397@your4dacd0ea75>
	<4C20B3EE.880C.0076.1@TRW.COM>
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Message-ID: <AANLkTinhF4Sf5BKhSCqZ_RNpAimZ1r767Rn8tImB1kVp@mail.gmail.com>

Just out of curiosity, what was our stock/standard Autolite 2-bbl carb rated
for?


-- 
Jim Sencindiver

B382100451/TAC 448
http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp



On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) <
mark.rense at ge.com> wrote:

> Buck is correct. For now obscure reason establish a million years ago by
> the SAE, the flow rate through a 2BBL carburetor is measured at 3.0
> in./Hg. pressure drop and the 4BBL carbs are measured at 1.5 in./Hg.
> pressure drop. So, a 500 CFM 2BBL compares to a 350 CFM 4BBL in flow. A
> quick approximation is to take the rated CFM of a 2BBL and divide by the
> square root of 2 (1.41421) to get the equivalent rating if it was a
> 4BBL.
>
> Bugz

From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Tue Jun 22 13:01:44 2010
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:01:44 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
References: <515068.81156.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<64311E2FE9EA480D99C891C663CDC397@your4dacd0ea75>
	<4C20B3EE.880C.0076.1@TRW.COM>
Message-ID: <DFB56A78895D4DA999F5DFC106A62831@your4dacd0ea75>

In addition to the source previously posted, you can look at
http://www.thecarburetorshop.com/Carbshop_carbsizesandCFM.htm

Now what really gets nuts is the difference in numbers you get when guys 
start flowing carbs "wet" or "dry". The devil is certainly in the details 
when you start looking at CFM.

Buck

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Koss" <Greg.Koss at TRW.COM>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor


> Buck, I guess I'll have to the "Doubting Thomas" on this one.  Do you have
> reference material for this comment?
>
>>>> "Buck Trippel" <BuckTrippel at Verizon.net> 6/22/2010 11:40 AM >>>
> It's probably a good time to remember that the CFM ratings on two barrels
> are measured using different criteria than used for quads.
>
> A 500 CFM two barrel does not flow as much as a 500 CFM 4-barrel. The 500
> CFM two barrel would flow about the same as a 360 CFM four barrel.
>
> Buck Trippel
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Howard gentry" <zymmer4 at yahoo.com>
> To: "Tod Brown" <todbrown at roadrunner.com>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
>
>
>> Hi,
>>     I ran a 500CFM on my hy-po 289 in Colorado at 5200 ft. elevation..It
>> worked
>> like a finely mapped fuel injection system..Instant throttle response,
>> great
>> milage(20) and just was a treat.
>> zym
>>
>> The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.
>>
>> --- On Mon, 6/21/10, Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 9:54 PM
>>
>>
>> It's a long story, but I have been running a Holley 1850 on my tweaked
>> 260 and have been thinking of changing it since the prevailing opinion
>> is that it is too much carb for the 260.  One of the other carbs I have
>> seen that seems like it might work is the Edelbrock 1403/1404 which is
>> rated at 500 cfm.  Anybody have any experience or thoughts on this?
>>
>> Tod
>> B3820022384LRXFE
>> _______________________________________________
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From twotigers at verizon.net  Tue Jun 22 13:09:43 2010
From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:09:43 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carb
Message-ID: <000001cb123e$799632f0$6cc298d0$@net>

I'm running a Carter AFB 625 on a Greenberg 302 with Performer RPM, factory
dual point, pertronix coil, headers, heads and valves good for about 6200
rpm.  With the stepped needles the 625 is great on this motor.  Took many
combinations from the jet kit to get it just right, however.

 

Kirk   

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun 22 13:11:37 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:11:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Too Much Carbs?
Message-ID: <392868.15028.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have a stock 260 and installed a Edelbrock Performer 289 "low rise" manifold
and Edelbrock 600cfm carb with no driving problems 13 years ago.  Some have
told me that  600cfm is too much flow capacity for the engine but the car
drives fine with the larger carb.  One problem I had was heat soak and a 1
inch plastic spacer corrected that issue.
 
 
                                                 Jeff

From mark.rense at ge.com  Tue Jun 22 13:31:43 2010
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd))
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:31:43 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
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Found this on a Mustang blog site. I believe the 260 ran a 1.01 venturi,
that makes it a whopping 170 CFM 4BBL equivalent (240cfm/1.414)!

There are race-flowed Holley 2BBLs out there that flow over 600CFM (430
CFM 4BBL equiv).

These numbers are for 2V carburetors only (2100/2150). The first numbers
are the Venturi Size, the second is the corresponding CFM.

.98 = 190
1.01 = 240
1.02 = 245
1.08 = 287
1.14 = 300
1.21 = 351
1.23 = 356
1.33 = 424


________________________________

From: Jim Sencindiver [mailto:jd.sencindiver at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:17 PM
To: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net; Greg Koss
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor


Just out of curiosity, what was our stock/standard Autolite 2-bbl carb
rated for?

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Jun 22 13:53:15 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:53:15 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinhF4Sf5BKhSCqZ_RNpAimZ1r767Rn8tImB1kVp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E51CBF9FA9FF40CFB3081B4DDF5F902D@ronpc1>

Jim
	The original Autolite on Tigers was rated at 240 cfm.
For other Ford carbs

http://www.mustangtek.com/carburetors/FordCarburetors.htm

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Jim Sencindiver
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:17 PM
To: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)
Cc: Greg Koss; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor


Just out of curiosity, what was our stock/standard Autolite 2-bbl carb rated
for?


--
Jim Sencindiver

B382100451/TAC 448
http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp



On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) <
mark.rense at ge.com> wrote:

> Buck is correct. For now obscure reason establish a million years ago
> by the SAE, the flow rate through a 2BBL carburetor is measured at 3.0
> in./Hg. pressure drop and the 4BBL carbs are measured at 1.5 in./Hg.
> pressure drop. So, a 500 CFM 2BBL compares to a 350 CFM 4BBL in flow.
> A quick approximation is to take the rated CFM of a 2BBL and divide by
> the square root of 2 (1.41421) to get the equivalent rating if it was
> a 4BBL.
>
> Bugz
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From allanballard at att.net  Tue Jun 22 14:36:27 2010
From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:36:27 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
In-Reply-To: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A04309D0C@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
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Wasn't the Motorcraft D2PF GB used prior to the Autoltie 2100/2150--with both
being a replacement carb for the factory Ford C40F?

Then again, maybe all 3 are the same carb...?

My car had a Motorcraft installed in 1973.





On Jun 22, 2010, at 3:31 PM, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) wrote:

> Found this on a Mustang blog site. I believe the 260 ran a 1.01 venturi,
> that makes it a whopping 170 CFM 4BBL equivalent (240cfm/1.414)!
>
> There are race-flowed Holley 2BBLs out there that flow over 600CFM (430
> CFM 4BBL equiv).
>
> These numbers are for 2V carburetors only (2100/2150). The first numbers
> are the Venturi Size, the second is the corresponding CFM.
>
> .98 = 190
> 1.01 = 240
> 1.02 = 245
> 1.08 = 287
> 1.14 = 300
> 1.21 = 351
> 1.23 = 356
> 1.33 = 424
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Jim Sencindiver [mailto:jd.sencindiver at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:17 PM
> To: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net; Greg Koss
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
>
>
> Just out of curiosity, what was our stock/standard Autolite 2-bbl carb
> rated for?
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From gabbardalex at att.net  Tue Jun 22 16:07:51 2010
From: gabbardalex at att.net (Gabbard Gabbard)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:07:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] driver door hinge & inner bracket
Message-ID: <201399.27032.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Anyone have a Tiger or Alpine driver's door lower hinge and inner bracket for
sale? I need a set.
 
Alex Gabbard

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Tue Jun 22 17:02:47 2010
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:02:47 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor ?
In-Reply-To: <DFB56A78895D4DA999F5DFC106A62831@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <515068.81156.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<64311E2FE9EA480D99C891C663CDC397@your4dacd0ea75>
	<4C20B3EE.880C.0076.1@TRW.COM>
	<DFB56A78895D4DA999F5DFC106A62831@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <4C214117.6070109@socal.rr.com>

Thanks, Buck,

I still don't know whether the 465 CFM Holley is rated "wet" or '"dry".  
Maybe a "Google" might help?

Works smoothly on my F4B, but it ran like a pig at Big Bear.  Maybe it 
was that "cheap" Valera gas station that appears to be local. The mile 
high didn't help either.

I do have a colored LED array for A/F ratio measurement.  Reacts near 
instantaneously.



Steve

Steve Laifman

Editor

http://TigersUnited.com



Buck Trippel wrote:
> In addition to the source previously posted, you can look at:
http://www.thecarburetorshop.com/Carbshop_carbsizesandCFM.htm
<http://www.thecarburetorshop.com/Carbshop_carbsizesandCFM.htm>
>
> Now what really gets nuts is the difference in numbers you get when 
> guys start flowing carbs "wet" or "dry". The devil is certainly in the 
> details when you start looking at CFM.
>
> Buck

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Jun 22 17:36:07 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:36:07 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor ?
In-Reply-To: <4C214117.6070109@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <714FF2A6C73848709247A67B0D872BE6@ronpc1>

Steve
	I believe most cfm ratings are dry.

>From my experience at SUNI Snowmass, I know the more elevation the less
choke you need on the carb.

We flat landers have car trouble with altitude.   I had to open the choke at
Snowmass to make the Tiger run well; the air was already choked at that
altitude.

Bad gas can make any of us run poorly.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Steve Laifman
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:03 PM
To: Buck Trippel; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor ?


Thanks, Buck,

I still don't know whether the 465 CFM Holley is rated "wet" or '"dry".
Maybe a "Google" might help?

Works smoothly on my F4B, but it ran like a pig at Big Bear.  Maybe it
was that "cheap" Valera gas station that appears to be local. The mile
high didn't help either.

I do have a colored LED array for A/F ratio measurement.  Reacts near
instantaneously.



Steve

Steve Laifman

Editor

http://TigersUnited.com



Buck Trippel wrote:
> In addition to the source previously posted, you can look at:
http://www.thecarburetorshop.com/Carbshop_carbsizesandCFM.htm
<http://www.thecarburetorshop.com/Carbshop_carbsizesandCFM.htm>
>
> Now what really gets nuts is the difference in numbers you get when
> guys start flowing carbs "wet" or "dry". The devil is certainly in the
> details when you start looking at CFM.
>
> Buck
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From sganz at pacbell.net  Tue Jun 22 18:04:24 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:04:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
In-Reply-To: <29B936ED-3D53-4EC7-B6C1-AA7F6FB34E3D@att.net>
References: <515068.81156.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com><64311E2FE9EA480D99C891C663CDC397@your4dacd0ea75><4C20B3EE.880C.0076.1@TRW.COM><D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A04309B6D@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<AANLkTinhF4Sf5BKhSCqZ_RNpAimZ1r767Rn8tImB1kVp@mail.gmail.com>
	<D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A04309D0C@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<29B936ED-3D53-4EC7-B6C1-AA7F6FB34E3D@att.net>
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I love the title of this chain..

And the winner is... well you know the
answer -

Nothing that you get, open a box and dump on your car.

I have run
AFB's (single and dual quads) and an odd array of holley's (A three barrel
made it on a car at one time), a Quadra Jet on a Dual Quad, and all of them
worked OK but that was about all you can say at best. I have run modified
holley's that are hands down better then anything that are coming out of a box
beacuse someone took the time to set them up and build them right and then
tune them correctly. The modern carb is still very much the same as it was
back in prehistoric days, and it's an ugly beast but works ok without much
work, but can work really well if time spent on it. 

Have recently used these
crazy carbs from DamBest Carburetors http://www.dambest.com/ and while the
price is crazy, it about what you would pay for a preped carb, and it's not a
Holley ;)

The most interesting part was taking to the guy at DamBest when
ordering a carb and he asked me a lot of very detailed question about the
engine, build cam specs and head flow, car, driving intentions, etc. Which was
interesting that is was different then the generic 'what size motor does it
have...'  It's still a black voodo art as far as I'm concern, and it does
require a load of patience which I don't have anymore.  

Fuel injection, ya,
that's the answere ;)

Sandy

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Jun 22 19:30:29 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:30:29 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
In-Reply-To: <107012.16079.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <515068.81156.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com><64311E2FE9EA480D99C891C663CDC397@your4dacd0ea75><4C20B3EE.880C.0076.1@TRW.COM><D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A04309B6D@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<AANLkTinhF4Sf5BKhSCqZ_RNpAimZ1r767Rn8tImB1kVp@mail.gmail.com>
	<D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A04309D0C@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<29B936ED-3D53-4EC7-B6C1-AA7F6FB34E3D@att.net>
	<107012.16079.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C2163B5.4040903@mayfco.com>

It is all in the last line.....

mayf
Sandy Ganz wrote:

>I love the title of this chain..
>
>And the winner is... well you know the
>answer -
>
>Nothing that you get, open a box and dump on your car.
>
>I have run
>AFB's (single and dual quads) and an odd array of holley's (A three barrel
>made it on a car at one time), a Quadra Jet on a Dual Quad, and all of them
>worked OK but that was about all you can say at best. I have run modified
>holley's that are hands down better then anything that are coming out of a box
>beacuse someone took the time to set them up and build them right and then
>tune them correctly. The modern carb is still very much the same as it was
>back in prehistoric days, and it's an ugly beast but works ok without much
>work, but can work really well if time spent on it. 
>
>Have recently used these
>crazy carbs from DamBest Carburetors http://www.dambest.com/ and while the
>price is crazy, it about what you would pay for a preped carb, and it's not a
>Holley ;)
>
>The most interesting part was taking to the guy at DamBest when
>ordering a carb and he asked me a lot of very detailed question about the
>engine, build cam specs and head flow, car, driving intentions, etc. Which was
>interesting that is was different then the generic 'what size motor does it
>have...'  It's still a black voodo art as far as I'm concern, and it does
>require a load of patience which I don't have anymore.  
>
>Fuel injection, ya,
>that's the answere ;)
>
>Sandy

From cjcoffel at sonic.net  Tue Jun 22 19:43:56 2010
From: cjcoffel at sonic.net (cjcoffel at sonic.net)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:43:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers United XXXII Pictures Jim Adams
In-Reply-To: <002101cb1238$96207850$c26168f0$@com>
References: <DF81012C2FDD4FC4880062367718D567@ronpc1>
	<23827.76.191.205.210.1277227755.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net>
	<002101cb1238$96207850$c26168f0$@com>
Message-ID: <20407.76.191.205.210.1277257436.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net>

The Jim Adams pictures are up. Watch the slideshow and look at the
expression on his face. Classic! You could see the memories come flooding
back.

Chris

http://uberpilot.zenfolio.com/p474574583

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Tue Jun 22 20:19:26 2010
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:19:26 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Ferrari Clones Show Clear Legal Jeopardy re Cloning
 Tigers (and other collectible cars)
In-Reply-To: <C846D06F.38FE%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
References: <C846D06F.38FE%mcdangerous@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4C216F2E.404@socal.rr.com>

Tigers,

Back in the day, we could cut the Ford Serial Number, stamped on the 
chassis, and weld it on to whatever we were building.  AND made it legal 
to license.

I guess today's regulations are more stringent, but I put the Fiero 
Engine in the REDTOI, with correct emissions/catalytic requirements of 
the V-6.  The Kit Car was built on a VW chassis, and the metal stamped 
frame was also sufficient.  Maybe things are different, but those cars, 
today, would be called VERY restored or Tribute Cars at Mecum. < 
http://Mecum.com >

Here's a link to my pics:

http://tigersunited.com/articles/sl-mc/stevelaifman5.asp

http://tigersunited.com/articles/sl-mc/stevelaifman6.asp

You actually may get a kick out of the whole article, starting on:

http://tigersunited.com/articles/sl-mc/SteveLaifman.asp

or just click on the #1 at the bottom of the page.

Jay has that car, today, and almost one of every car I ever owned - all 
at the same time.

Steve Laifman
Editor
http://TigersUnited.com


Would U. Believe wrote:
> Hi all.  For anyone who might speak Italian, below is a really interesting
> article about an Italian family who made clones (exact duplicates) of their
> very own (junk) Ferraris and the legal trouble they are now in.  For some
> reason, this story did not really make it out of the Italian press.  Also
> below is is a horrible and incomplete translation that came with the
> article.  I should probably re-translate it into English because it's an
> interesting story. 
>
> Anyone thinking of creating a bogus Tiger (cloning) should keep an eye on
> this story to see how many years these guys serve in prison and how much the
> fines against them will be.  The difference here, obviously, is that the
> manufacturer is directly interested and involved.  The Rootes company is
> long gone, and I bet Chrysler could not care less anymore.  Still the
> (additional) legal precedent is being set here and it's even more clear now
> that cloning collectible cars is highly illegal not only in the US, but in
> Europe too. Hopefully such stories will make people think twice before
> rolling out their next Alger.   I hope you enjoy this.
>
> All the best,
>
> Mauro
> B382001355LRXFE
> TAC 709 
>
>
> Dubbini brothers accused of having cloned five historic Ferraris ... from
> the Italian newspaper "Giornale di Padova"

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 20:25:25 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 12:25:25 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers United XXXII Pictures Jim Adams
In-Reply-To: <20407.76.191.205.210.1277257436.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net>
References: <DF81012C2FDD4FC4880062367718D567@ronpc1>
	<23827.76.191.205.210.1277227755.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net>
	<002101cb1238$96207850$c26168f0$@com>
	<20407.76.191.205.210.1277257436.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimweT7bcK8wDm-nemNxgEaKaKuhucjRhY1NNg5a@mail.gmail.com>

Chris amazing collection of photos, thanks for sharing... The HSC is still
just the most stunning resto and racer

On 23 June 2010 11:43, <cjcoffel at sonic.net> wrote:

> The Jim Adams pictures are up. Watch the slideshow and look at the
> expression on his face. Classic! You could see the memories come flooding
> back.
>
> Chris
>
> http://uberpilot.zenfolio.com/p474574583
> _______________________________________________
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From twotigers at verizon.net  Tue Jun 22 20:56:31 2010
From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:56:31 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers United XXXII Pictures Jim Adams
In-Reply-To: <20407.76.191.205.210.1277257436.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net>
References: <DF81012C2FDD4FC4880062367718D567@ronpc1>
	<23827.76.191.205.210.1277227755.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net>
	<002101cb1238$96207850$c26168f0$@com>
	<20407.76.191.205.210.1277257436.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net>
Message-ID: <000001cb127f$af3fc650$0dbf52f0$@net>

You took some great shots of Jim Adams.  I remember TUXXI at Bakersfield in
1996, Doane Spencer had just passed away.  I don't think Jim had spoken in
public before about driving #55, but he wanted to pay tribute to Doane's
memory and gave a great talk at dinner.  Nice to see him reunited with the
car.

Kirk 

From Gyroplanes at aol.com  Tue Jun 22 21:12:05 2010
From: Gyroplanes at aol.com (Gyroplanes at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 23:12:05 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Jim Adams
Message-ID: <4fa6b.848cd4a.3952d585@aol.com>

As a "newbie" I have to ask, who is Jim Adams?
 
Tom Milton
 
 
In a message dated 6/22/2010 9:11:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
cjcoffel at sonic.net writes:

The Jim  Adams pictures are up. Watch the slideshow and look at the
expression on  his face. Classic! You could see the memories come  flooding
back.

From cjcoffel at sonic.net  Tue Jun 22 21:56:45 2010
From: cjcoffel at sonic.net (cjcoffel at sonic.net)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:56:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Jim Adams
In-Reply-To: <4fa6b.848cd4a.3952d585@aol.com>
References: <4fa6b.848cd4a.3952d585@aol.com>
Message-ID: <21566.76.191.205.210.1277265405.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net>

I was cleaning out my garage yesterday (The day after TU XXXII) and found
some great stuff. Found the June issue of Road and Track and the interview
with Jim Adams from Tigers United XXI. I've added them to the end of the
pictures.


http://uberpilot.zenfolio.com/p474574583

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 22:10:30 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 14:10:30 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Jim Adams
In-Reply-To: <4fa6b.848cd4a.3952d585@aol.com>
References: <4fa6b.848cd4a.3952d585@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTil1G-CucXzUY-c3Z3wFaFXlU2SSNl6BpCT4rBCt@mail.gmail.com>

Jim was the brave pilot of the %% HSC car when run by hollywood sports cars
in the 60's, he also raced their other cars mclaren etc..




On 23 June 2010 13:12, <Gyroplanes at aol.com> wrote:

> As a "newbie" I have to ask, who is Jim Adams?
>
> Tom Milton
>
>
> In a message dated 6/22/2010 9:11:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> cjcoffel at sonic.net writes:
>
> The Jim  Adams pictures are up. Watch the slideshow and look at the
> expression on  his face. Classic! You could see the memories come  flooding
> back.
> _______________________________________________
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From spook01 at comcast.net  Wed Jun 23 06:24:20 2010
From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01 at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 12:24:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Ferrari Clones Show Clear Legal Jeopardy re Cloning
 Tigers (and other collectible cars)
In-Reply-To: <4C216F2E.404@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <387746138.9157291277295860600.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

i think the issue of fraud is the over riding factor.B  if the car purports to
be a original car, that is fraud.B  if it is a replication sold as such, maybe
not.B  cal is sort of the stalag 13 of car registration, and many states
simply don't care.

we know chrysler doesn't care.

ferrari is rather a different case, as they have sued kit car manufacturers
before.B  rolls royce once sued a guy who was hanging faux rr stuff on a chevy
monte carlo for pete's sake.B  rr lost that one i believe, but drove the
company out of business due to having to defend themselves. a pyrrhic victory
of sorts.

Energy Management is the hallmark of a professional pilot

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Laifman" <slaifman at socal.rr.com>
To: "Would U. Believe" <mcdangerous at verizon.net>
Cc: "Jay Laifman" <jay.laifman at gmail.com>, tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 9:19:26 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ferrari Clones Show Clear Legal Jeopardy re Cloning
Tigers (and other collectible cars)

Tigers,

Back in the day, we could cut the Ford Serial Number, stamped on the
chassis, and weld it on to whatever we were building. B AND made it legal
to license.

I guess today's regulations are more stringent, but I put the Fiero
Engine in the REDTOI, with correct emissions/catalytic requirements of
the V-6. B The Kit Car was built on a VW chassis, and the metal stamped
frame was also sufficient. B Maybe things are different, but those cars,
today, would be called VERY restored or Tribute Cars at Mecum. <
http://Mecum.com >

Here's a link to my pics:

http://tigersunited.com/articles/sl-mc/stevelaifman5.asp

http://tigersunited.com/articles/sl-mc/stevelaifman6.asp

You actually may get a kick out of the whole article, starting on:

http://tigersunited.com/articles/sl-mc/SteveLaifman.asp

or just click on the #1 at the bottom of the page.

Jay has that car, today, and almost one of every car I ever owned - all
at the same time.

Steve Laifman
Editor
http://TigersUnited.com


Would U. Believe wrote:
> Hi all. B For anyone who might speak Italian, below is a really interesting
> article about an Italian family who made clones (exact duplicates) of their
> very own (junk) Ferraris and the legal trouble they are now in. B For some
> reason, this story did not really make it out of the Italian press. B Also
> below is is a horrible and incomplete translation that came with the
> article. B I should probably re-translate it into English because it's an
> interesting story.
>
> Anyone thinking of creating a bogus Tiger (cloning) should keep an eye on
> this story to see how many years these guys serve in prison and how much the
> fines against them will be. B The difference here, obviously, is that the
> manufacturer is directly interested and involved. B The Rootes company is
> long gone, and I bet Chrysler could not care less anymore. B Still the
> (additional) legal precedent is being set here and it's even more clear now
> that cloning collectible cars is highly illegal not only in the US, but in
> Europe too. Hopefully such stories will make people think twice before
> rolling out their next Alger. B  I hope you enjoy this.
>
> All the best,
>
> Mauro
> B382001355LRXFE
> TAC 709
>
>
> Dubbini brothers accused of having cloned five historic Ferraris ... from
> the Italian newspaper "Giornale di Padova"
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From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 23 07:09:48 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 06:09:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
Message-ID: <625657.38366.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

"The difference here, obviously, is that the
> manufacturer is directly interested and involved.  The Rootes company is
> long gone, and I bet Chrysler could not care less anymore."
 
Chrysler sold Rootes/Simca during their bankruptcy phase in 1980 to
Peugeot.  There was a discussion a few years ago on who owns Rootes, Sunbeam,
etc. because an individual was trying to license the names.  I don't recall
who ended up with the brand names.
 
                                
                                                  Jeff
 
 
                                                       

From Carmods at aol.com  Wed Jun 23 07:36:32 2010
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 09:36:32 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
Message-ID: <91e72.4b0d4d16.395367e0@aol.com>

Does any one have a list of Venturi Sizes, both primary and secondary, vs 
CFM for Holley  4 barrel carburetors ?
 
John Logan

From Gyroplanes at aol.com  Wed Jun 23 07:40:22 2010
From: Gyroplanes at aol.com (Gyroplanes at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 09:40:22 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Jim Adams
Message-ID: <4bf22.2fc62379.395368c6@aol.com>

Thank you all for the reply. It has been a while since I was immersed in  
Tiger lore. I suppose now that I have re-started my restoration project, I  
should dig out the books for some inspiration.
Tom Milton
 
 
In a message dated 6/22/2010 11:39:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
michael.s.king at gmail.com writes:

Jim was  the brave pilot of the %% HSC car when run by hollywood sports cars
in the  60's, he also raced their other cars mclaren  etc..

From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 23 07:50:14 2010
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 06:50:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Oil Pan
Message-ID: <188961.88455.qm@web38103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Here we go again.  My 1965 289 HP oil pan was pretty beat up, so in the
1980's, I started to buy some parts I thought I might need some day.  Well the
motor is at machine shop - Ron F got me over the timing chain cover issue
YESTERDAY - now on to the oil pan.

I bought a windage tray with the 6 bolts -
part number at home, oil pan DOZZ-6675-A.  Well the machine shop indicates the
oil pump (New Melling with 68 LB stock spring-not high volumne pump) to pickup
screen via the pipe that connects the 2 parts will not line up to the hole in
the bottom of the pan where the screen sits.  This pan has a welded in tray in
the bottom of the pan.  So a little research indicates this pan fits a 69-71
boss 302 or 69-70 Cougar Eliminator.  Deep sump and drain bolt on the side.
Does anyone know if this pan will fit the motor plus work in a 1966 MK1A? 
Problems other than pipe, any issues with fitting pan/motor in car - am I back
in the tree again?  Please be kind!

Thanks for all you information,
knowledge.
Joel Martin

From Rollright at aol.com  Wed Jun 23 08:37:34 2010
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 10:37:34 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Lucas dash switches
Message-ID: <95379.2755b9ba.3953762e@aol.com>

Hello,
 
I'm making a list from the Sunbeam parts manual (Tiger supplement) of the  
Lucas part numbers for the dash switches for my Mk 1A
 
I've got:
panel light       34943
main light        31946
screen wiper    31946
 
but I can't find the blower/heater fan number. Can anybody help?
 
BTW: I got a strange Lucas dash panel type paddle switch # 34943A   
Can anybody tell me where, what car, it was used on?
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 23 08:45:51 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 07:45:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Oil Pan
In-Reply-To: <188961.88455.qm@web38103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <829517.1536.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Joel- listen to others BUT I'm certain it will bolt up- I would just have the
shop change the hole for the pickup and use what I have invested- unless you
think U can break even on epay. Again let's see what others recommend but I'm
certain the pattern on the bottom of the block is the same as all SBF engines.
Your other choice is to buy a pick up tube for the boss 302 or cougar
eliminator you described- which I think is what I would do.
Cheers, TonytheTiger

--- On Wed, 6/23/10, Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Oil Pan
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 8:50 AM


Here we go again.  My 1965 289 HP oil pan was pretty beat up, so in the
1980's, I started to buy some parts I thought I might need some day.  Well
the
motor is at machine shop - Ron F got me over the timing chain cover issue
YESTERDAY - now on to the oil pan.

I bought a windage tray with the 6 bolts -
part number at home, oil pan DOZZ-6675-A.  Well the machine shop indicates
the
oil pump (New Melling with 68 LB stock spring-not high volumne pump) to
pickup
screen via the pipe that connects the 2 parts will not line up to the hole in
the bottom of the pan where the screen sits.  This pan has a welded in tray
in
the bottom of the pan.  So a little research indicates this pan fits a 69-71
boss 302 or 69-70 Cougar Eliminator.  Deep sump and drain bolt on the side.
Does anyone know if this pan will fit the motor plus work in a 1966 MK1A?
Problems other than pipe, any issues with fitting pan/motor in car - am I
back
in the tree again?  Please be kind!

Thanks for all you information,
knowledge.
Joel Martin
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From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Wed Jun 23 09:24:59 2010
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 08:24:59 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
References: <91e72.4b0d4d16.395367e0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <776751437FCD477992CCFEFA139AD06D@your4dacd0ea75>

John,

Many Holley carb books include this information. One place you can find it 
is in the back of  Holley's catalog, The catalog's available online for free 
download on Holley's site.  http://www.holley.com/HolleyCatalog/ The section 
you want starts at page 172.

BTW, the catalog also has a great section that explains how their carbs 
work, broken down circuit by circuit. This starts on page 192 and is really 
an excellent description.

Good Luck,

Buck



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Carmods at aol.com>
To: <mark.rense at ge.com>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Best Carburetor


> Does any one have a list of Venturi Sizes, both primary and secondary, vs
> CFM for Holley  4 barrel carburetors ?
>
> John Logan
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From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Wed Jun 23 10:38:52 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (mcdangerous at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 11:38:52 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Ferrari Clones Show Clear Legal Jeopardy re Cloning
 Tigers (and other collectible cars)
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From spook01 at comcast.net  Wed Jun 23 11:06:06 2010
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 12:06:06 -0500
Subject: [Tigers]
	=?utf-8?q?Ferrari_Clones_Show_Clear_Legal_Jeopardy_re_Cl?=
	=?utf-8?q?oning_Tigers_=28and_other_collectible_cars=29?=
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We are comparing apples to oranges comparing Italian to American law. As well, 'intent to defraud' is open to interpretation by courts. 
Opinions range over a very, very large area.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

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Subject: [Tigers] Ferrari Clones Show Clear Legal Jeopardy re Cloning Tigers (and other collectible cars)
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From Rollright at aol.com  Wed Jun 23 11:16:00 2010
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 13:16:00 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Lucas dash switches
Message-ID: <a198e.55515b8.39539b50@aol.com>

Thanks for the idea.
 
I went back and looked. The actual heater/demister and all that bundle is  
there but no switch
 
 
In a message dated 6/23/2010 11:23:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
tkparker1941 at gmail.com writes:

Look  under accessories in the 260 / 389 parts supplement. The blower was 
an  "accessory".

Tom
' 67 Mark 2


On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:37 AM, <_Rollright at aol.com_ 
(mailto:Rollright at aol.com) > wrote:

Hello,

I'm  making a list from the Sunbeam parts manual (Tiger supplement) of  the
Lucas part numbers for the dash switches for my Mk 1A

I've  got:
panel light       34943
main light      31946
screen wiper    31946

but I can't  find the blower/heater fan number. Can anybody help?

BTW: I got a  strange Lucas dash panel type paddle switch # 34943A
Can anybody tell me  where, what car, it was used on?

Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A  382002083
LRXFE
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Wed Jun 23 10:07:54 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 11:07:54 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Oil Pan
In-Reply-To: <829517.1536.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <188961.88455.qm@web38103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<829517.1536.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06843CD67C7E@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

Typically, if you have a special oil pan then you need a matching oil pump
pickup and dipstick.
For a deep sump pan, a standard pickup may not sit close enough to the bottom
to provide any benefit, in addition to interfering with the windage tray or
baffle arrangement.

The purpose of a deep-sump pan is to move the oil level away from the rotating
assembly. If you install a deep sump pan and then put in enough oil to reach
the 'full' level on a standard dipstick, then one of the benefits of the deep
pan has been nullified.

There should be no problem (other than ground clearance cautions) with a deep
pan. Pans with side kickouts need to have the front corners of the sump angled
specifically to clear the Tiger's crossmember. Aviaid and Canton make
Tiger-specific road race pans. I have the Canton one and it fits well, with
"sufficient" clearance to the crossmember to allow installation and removal of
the pan without removing the engine or crossmember from the car. However,
removal of the engine out the top, as per the shop manual procedure, is not
possible.

Hope this helps,
Theo

>
> From: Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Oil Pan
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 8:50 AM
>
>
> Here we go again.  My 1965 289 HP oil pan was pretty beat up, so in the
> 1980's, I started to buy some parts I thought I might need some day.
> Well
> the
> motor is at machine shop - Ron F got me over the timing chain cover
> issue
> YESTERDAY - now on to the oil pan.
>
> I bought a windage tray with the 6 bolts -
> part number at home, oil pan DOZZ-6675-A.  Well the machine shop
> indicates
> the
> oil pump (New Melling with 68 LB stock spring-not high volumne pump) to
> pickup
> screen via the pipe that connects the 2 parts will not line up to the
> hole in
> the bottom of the pan where the screen sits.  This pan has a welded in
> tray
> in
> the bottom of the pan.  So a little research indicates this pan fits a
> 69-71
> boss 302 or 69-70 Cougar Eliminator.  Deep sump and drain bolt on the
> side.
> Does anyone know if this pan will fit the motor plus work in a 1966
> MK1A?
> Problems other than pipe, any issues with fitting pan/motor in car - am
> I
> back
> in the tree again?  Please be kind!
>
> Thanks for all you information,
> knowledge.
> Joel Martin


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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Wed Jun 23 09:48:54 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 10:48:54 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Lucas dash switches
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I would guess that it's going to be a 31946 as well, since the blower is a two
speed thing on the Mk1A.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com
> Sent: June 23, 2010 8:38 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Lucas dash switches
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm making a list from the Sunbeam parts manual (Tiger supplement) of
> the
> Lucas part numbers for the dash switches for my Mk 1A
>
> I've got:
> panel light       34943
> main light        31946
> screen wiper    31946
>
> but I can't find the blower/heater fan number. Can anybody help?
>


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From jim at island.net  Wed Jun 23 11:54:41 2010
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 10:54:41 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] My  Tigers United XXXII photos
In-Reply-To: <000001cb127f$af3fc650$0dbf52f0$@net>
References: <DF81012C2FDD4FC4880062367718D567@ronpc1><23827.76.191.205.210.1277227755.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net><002101cb1238$96207850$c26168f0$@com><20407.76.191.205.210.1277257436.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net>
	<000001cb127f$af3fc650$0dbf52f0$@net>
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Well... got the Tiger safely home to Canada last night. I think we brought
it farther than anyone but the trip pales in comparison to Doug Jennings
dragging that Astro van full of Tiger parts 2500 miles from Ohio by himself!
I've never used a photo site but managed to upload everything I had to
Flickr. It's in no particular order and mostly of the concours...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/51418115 at N07/sets/72157624340923388/

Had a great time but of course the time went by WAAY too fast... met some
great people ... thanks to the organisers for putting it on, I know it takes
a lot of hard work to pull it off !

I guess I better get out there and clean the bugs off the windshield as
we're off again tomorrow on a 1500 mile trek around the province with our
English car club... I told the wife if I didn't break the Tiger at the autox
that we'd be leaving her Sprite at home and taking the Tiger this time..
half the gas mileage but double the trunk space... lol!!


Jim
B382000446

From CoolVT at aol.com  Wed Jun 23 12:05:04 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 14:05:04 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Lucas dash switches
Message-ID: <afb42.7a9ec508.3953a6d0@aol.com>

I would look in the SS catalogue.  I think all of  the 1 position switches 
are the same and all the 2 position switches are the  same.  Anyway, that is 
my recollection.
Mark

From rande at thecia.net  Wed Jun 23 15:51:39 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:51:39 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] United XXXII
Message-ID: <4c2281eb.1a46.0@thecia.net>

Hey,

I'll echo Lynn and Jim's comments, it was just a gas, pretty much everything
was super, the cars, the weather, the people.

RB

From tigerfixer at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 23 16:14:05 2010
From: tigerfixer at yahoo.com (Bill Martin)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 15:14:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers United XXXII Pictures Jim Adams
In-Reply-To: <20407.76.191.205.210.1277257436.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net>
Message-ID: <284478.78849.qm@web63805.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

 Chris,
 Thanks for sharing, great shots!
 What a blast!
 Bill Martin

From twotigers at verizon.net  Wed Jun 23 16:14:18 2010
From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 15:14:18 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] My  Tigers United XXXII photos
In-Reply-To: <E67BE5894E43475CB297B32A6FF37E3B@JIMPC>
References: <DF81012C2FDD4FC4880062367718D567@ronpc1><23827.76.191.205.210.1277227755.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net><002101cb1238$96207850$c26168f0$@com><20407.76.191.205.210.1277257436.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net>
	<000001cb127f$af3fc650$0dbf52f0$@net>
	<E67BE5894E43475CB297B32A6FF37E3B@JIMPC>
Message-ID: <000001cb1321$6cee5bc0$46cb1340$@net>

Check out the green Tiger running the Anderson ackerman kit.  Nice!

Kirk

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 10:55 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] My Tigers United XXXII photos

Well... got the Tiger safely home to Canada last night. I think we brought
it farther than anyone but the trip pales in comparison to Doug Jennings
dragging that Astro van full of Tiger parts 2500 miles from Ohio by himself!
I've never used a photo site but managed to upload everything I had to
Flickr. It's in no particular order and mostly of the concours...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/51418115 at N07/sets/72157624340923388/

Had a great time but of course the time went by WAAY too fast... met some
great people ... thanks to the organisers for putting it on, I know it takes
a lot of hard work to pull it off !

I guess I better get out there and clean the bugs off the windshield as
we're off again tomorrow on a 1500 mile trek around the province with our
English car club... I told the wife if I didn't break the Tiger at the autox
that we'd be leaving her Sprite at home and taking the Tiger this time..
half the gas mileage but double the trunk space... lol!!


Jim
B382000446
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From MTaylor at ea.com  Wed Jun 23 16:52:31 2010
From: MTaylor at ea.com (Taylor, Matthew)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 15:52:31 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers United XXXII Pictures Jim Adams
In-Reply-To: <284478.78849.qm@web63805.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
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	<284478.78849.qm@web63805.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
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And Bill, thanks for all your time and effort getting Jim Adams and Doane's
daughters there.  It was great meeting Jim and hearing his stories.

Also, thanks to John Stithem, his wife Kelly, and all of the event chairs.


 Chris,
 Thanks for sharing, great shots!
 What a blast!
 Bill Martin
_______________________________________________

From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk  Wed Jun 23 16:50:14 2010
From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 23:50:14 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] My  Tigers United XXXII photos
In-Reply-To: <000001cb1321$6cee5bc0$46cb1340$@net>
References: <DF81012C2FDD4FC4880062367718D567@ronpc1>
	<23827.76.191.205.210.1277227755.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net>
	<002101cb1238$96207850$c26168f0$@com>
	<20407.76.191.205.210.1277257436.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net>
	<000001cb127f$af3fc650$0dbf52f0$@net>
	<E67BE5894E43475CB297B32A6FF37E3B@JIMPC>
	<000001cb1321$6cee5bc0$46cb1340$@net>
Message-ID: <ST2S22Pm+oIMFwIk@v8tiger.demon.co.uk>

image 776 of the harrington Le Mans is interesting - it seems to have 
some pretty funky wheels !

Not seen wires with hub caps before.

Jeff



In message <000001cb1321$6cee5bc0$46cb1340$@net>, Kirk Smith 
<twotigers at verizon.net> writes
>Check out the green Tiger running the Anderson ackerman kit.  Nice!
>
>Kirk
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
>On Behalf Of Jim
>Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 10:55 AM
>To: tigers at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Tigers] My Tigers United XXXII photos
>
>Well... got the Tiger safely home to Canada last night. I think we brought
>it farther than anyone but the trip pales in comparison to Doug Jennings
>dragging that Astro van full of Tiger parts 2500 miles from Ohio by himself!
>I've never used a photo site but managed to upload everything I had to
>Flickr. It's in no particular order and mostly of the concours...
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/51418115 at N07/sets/72157624340923388/
>
>Had a great time but of course the time went by WAAY too fast... met some
>great people ... thanks to the organisers for putting it on, I know it takes
>a lot of hard work to pull it off !
>
>I guess I better get out there and clean the bugs off the windshield as
>we're off again tomorrow on a 1500 mile trek around the province with our
>English car club... I told the wife if I didn't break the Tiger at the autox
>that we'd be leaving her Sprite at home and taking the Tiger this time..
>half the gas mileage but double the trunk space... lol!!
>
>
>Jim
>B382000446
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From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Wed Jun 23 17:29:06 2010
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:29:06 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] My  Tigers United XXXII photos
References: <DF81012C2FDD4FC4880062367718D567@ronpc1><23827.76.191.205.210.1277227755.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net><002101cb1238$96207850$c26168f0$@com><20407.76.191.205.210.1277257436.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net>
	<000001cb127f$af3fc650$0dbf52f0$@net>
	<E67BE5894E43475CB297B32A6FF37E3B@JIMPC>
	<000001cb1321$6cee5bc0$46cb1340$@net>
Message-ID: <1F2A53F8743646CB97C8586F0714E9F8@your4dacd0ea75>

But while it might have started as a Lew Anderson kit, it has a unique new 
modification which vertically locates the steering linkage. Quite 
Interesting.

Buck

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kirk Smith" <twotigers at verizon.net>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] My Tigers United XXXII photos


> Check out the green Tiger running the Anderson ackerman kit.  Nice!
>
> Kirk
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Jim
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 10:55 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] My Tigers United XXXII photos
>
> Well... got the Tiger safely home to Canada last night. I think we brought
> it farther than anyone but the trip pales in comparison to Doug Jennings
> dragging that Astro van full of Tiger parts 2500 miles from Ohio by 
> himself!
> I've never used a photo site but managed to upload everything I had to
> Flickr. It's in no particular order and mostly of the concours...
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/51418115 at N07/sets/72157624340923388/
>
> Had a great time but of course the time went by WAAY too fast... met some
> great people ... thanks to the organisers for putting it on, I know it 
> takes
> a lot of hard work to pull it off !
>
> I guess I better get out there and clean the bugs off the windshield as
> we're off again tomorrow on a 1500 mile trek around the province with our
> English car club... I told the wife if I didn't break the Tiger at the 
> autox
> that we'd be leaving her Sprite at home and taking the Tiger this time..
> half the gas mileage but double the trunk space... lol!!
>
>
> Jim
> B382000446
> _______________________________________________

From jrv309 at charter.net  Wed Jun 23 18:47:54 2010
From: jrv309 at charter.net (jrv309 at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:47:54 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Help for a new member
Message-ID: <906948B3E6DF4FCD86CB48AA3B22BEB1@NewDell>

Hi gang;  Sorry to bomb the list, a new Tiger owner wants to join the list and
I have forgotten what information to give him.  I guess "Old-timers" has set
in.  Please help out this grey haired old guy.  Jerry and Marlene with the
Candy apple Tiger.

From jim at island.net  Wed Jun 23 19:27:27 2010
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:27:27 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] My  Tigers United XXXII photos
In-Reply-To: <1F2A53F8743646CB97C8586F0714E9F8@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <DF81012C2FDD4FC4880062367718D567@ronpc1><23827.76.191.205.210.1277227755.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net><002101cb1238$96207850$c26168f0$@com><20407.76.191.205.210.1277257436.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net><000001cb127f$af3fc650$0dbf52f0$@net><E67BE5894E43475CB297B32A6FF37E3B@JIMPC><000001cb1321$6cee5bc0$46cb1340$@net>
	<1F2A53F8743646CB97C8586F0714E9F8@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <54876F200E184226B158E9E711EB87A6@JIMPC>

Buck & Kirk

That's Charlie Mitchells car... He bought it new and installed the kit when
they became available. He, and others were very helpful when I wanted to
re-create the kit on my car along with my power steering. He DID mention
that there was a later modification to help the bump steer problem but as
far as I know, he doesn't have that. I actually relocated the fixed position
of the heims from the A-arm to the crossmember to overcome some of that
problem. I haven't driven other cars for reference but was very happy with
the way it worked in the TU autocross...

Jim



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Buck Trippel
Sent: June 23, 2010 4:29 PM
To: Kirk Smith; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] My Tigers United XXXII photos

But while it might have started as a Lew Anderson kit, it has a unique new 
modification which vertically locates the steering linkage. Quite 
Interesting.

Buck

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kirk Smith" <twotigers at verizon.net>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] My Tigers United XXXII photos


> Check out the green Tiger running the Anderson ackerman kit.  Nice!
>
> Kirk
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Jim
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 10:55 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] My Tigers United XXXII photos
>
> Well... got the Tiger safely home to Canada last night. I think we brought
> it farther than anyone but the trip pales in comparison to Doug Jennings
> dragging that Astro van full of Tiger parts 2500 miles from Ohio by 
> himself!
> I've never used a photo site but managed to upload everything I had to
> Flickr. It's in no particular order and mostly of the concours...
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/51418115 at N07/sets/72157624340923388/
>
> Had a great time but of course the time went by WAAY too fast... met some
> great people ... thanks to the organisers for putting it on, I know it 
> takes
> a lot of hard work to pull it off !
>
> I guess I better get out there and clean the bugs off the windshield as
> we're off again tomorrow on a 1500 mile trek around the province with our
> English car club... I told the wife if I didn't break the Tiger at the 
> autox
> that we'd be leaving her Sprite at home and taking the Tiger this time..
> half the gas mileage but double the trunk space... lol!!
>
>
> Jim
> B382000446
> _______________________________________________

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Jun 23 19:52:38 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:52:38 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] My Tigers United XXXII photos
In-Reply-To: <54876F200E184226B158E9E711EB87A6@JIMPC>
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 Has anyone uploaded vids of the autocross, i saw a few onboard camerras.

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Jun 23 21:21:45 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 23:21:45 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Help for a new member
In-Reply-To: <906948B3E6DF4FCD86CB48AA3B22BEB1@NewDell>
Message-ID: <028AE9F6AE1C4737BB3546DF985592BC@ronpc1>

Jerry
	Just send him the AutoX link,subscribe there.
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers

Ron Fraser


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On Behalf Of jrv309 at charter.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 8:48 PM
To: Tiger News Group
Subject: [Tigers] Help for a new member


Hi gang;  Sorry to bomb the list, a new Tiger owner wants to join the list
and I have forgotten what information to give him.  I guess "Old-timers" has
set in.  Please help out this grey haired old guy.  Jerry and Marlene with
the Candy apple Tiger. _______________________________________________
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From mai65tai at sonic.net  Thu Jun 24 10:09:15 2010
From: mai65tai at sonic.net (John Stithem)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:09:15 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] TU XXXII
In-Reply-To: <mailman.23408.1277349663.914.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.23408.1277349663.914.tigers@autox.team.net>
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Hi Chris,

Thanks for sharing your great photos. Clearly, I did not have time to take
any pictures. For those of you that did not make TU XXXII---we had a great
time, great cars, great people, great weather---the challenge is out there
for CAT to top this one next year.

John

From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Thu Jun 24 11:30:59 2010
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 10:30:59 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] TU XXXII
References: <mailman.23408.1277349663.914.tigers@autox.team.net>
	<001a01cb13b7$97fbde00$c7f39a00$@net>
Message-ID: <9F9C598273B644FD843E6BE982A83C1C@your4dacd0ea75>

Hi John

Echo my congrats on putting on such a great event.

As far as the CAT challenge for next year goes, I'm sure we'll never top it 
but we'll give it a good shot. My wife, Claudia, will Co-Chair next years 
Tigers United event along with Gary & Karen Rathburn. Tomorrow we'll sign 
the contract with the Queen Mary which will be the host hotel for TUXXXIII.

Again, thanks to you and Kim for all your efforts and best of luck getting 
caught up now on everything else in life that got put on hold while you were 
organizing Tigers United.

Buck Trippel



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Stithem" <mai65tai at sonic.net>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 9:09 AM
Subject: [Tigers] TU XXXII


> Hi Chris,
>
> Thanks for sharing your great photos. Clearly, I did not have time to take
> any pictures. For those of you that did not make TU XXXII---we had a great
> time, great cars, great people, great weather---the challenge is out there
> for CAT to top this one next year.
>
> John
> _______________________________________________
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From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Thu Jun 24 12:39:14 2010
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:39:14 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] TU XXXII
References: <mailman.23408.1277349663.914.tigers@autox.team.net>
	<001a01cb13b7$97fbde00$c7f39a00$@net>
	<9F9C598273B644FD843E6BE982A83C1C@your4dacd0ea75>
	<4F5D7A44-8B30-4F35-ADC8-8A20432FF4FA@me.com>
Message-ID: <6E096D7B44974FC1A0E2689DD257E36E@your4dacd0ea75>

Rob,

Revise that schedule! The time to relocate to Monterey is in August in time 
for the pre-Historics & the Historics, not to mention Pebble Beach Councours 
& all the auctions.  (The races are now renamed the Rolex Reunion...) We'll 
have 3 Tigers racing. Start packing!

Buck Trippel

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Bernardino" <crbernardino at me.com>
To: "Buck Trippel" <BuckTrippel at Verizon.net>
Cc: "John Stithem" <mai65tai at sonic.net>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] TU XXXII


> Where do I get info on this and all the new CA Tiger stuff. I am 
> relocating to Monterey in September and Paul Reisentz is going to help get 
> it back on the road. So I'd love to get involved.
>
> Rob in CT/ Soon to be Monterey, CA
> 1966 Mk1A Tiger
> B382000262 LRXFE
> JAL660245
> Color Code 39: Carnival Red
>
>
>
> On Jun 24, 2010, at 1:30 PM, Buck Trippel wrote:
>
>> Hi John
>>
>> Echo my congrats on putting on such a great event.
>>
>> As far as the CAT challenge for next year goes, I'm sure we'll never top 
>> it but we'll give it a good shot. My wife, Claudia, will Co-Chair next 
>> years Tigers United event along with Gary & Karen Rathburn. Tomorrow 
>> we'll sign the contract with the Queen Mary which will be the host hotel 
>> for TUXXXIII.
>>
>> Again, thanks to you and Kim for all your efforts and best of luck 
>> getting caught up now on everything else in life that got put on hold 
>> while you were organizing Tigers United.
>>
>> Buck Trippel
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Stithem" <mai65tai at sonic.net>
>> To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 9:09 AM
>> Subject: [Tigers] TU XXXII
>>
>>
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing your great photos. Clearly, I did not have time to 
>>> take
>>> any pictures. For those of you that did not make TU XXXII---we had a 
>>> great
>>> time, great cars, great people, great weather---the challenge is out 
>>> there
>>> for CAT to top this one next year.
>>>
>>> John
>>> _______________________________________________
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From Rollright at aol.com  Thu Jun 24 12:41:44 2010
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 14:41:44 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] blower/ fan switch part number
Message-ID: <c6662.4a3f25c9.395500e8@aol.com>

Hello,
 
As I mentioned before, I was curious about the Blower/fan switch part  
number.
 
No one seemed to be able to help, so I pulled the switch this  morning.
 
If you have a paper parts manual, you might want to make a note.
 
Blower/fan switch part #  is  31946 (B)
 
This is the same switch as the main light switch and the screen wiper  
switch. 
The odd switch is the panel light switch with part # 34943
 
I hope this is useful to someone.  

Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A  382002083
LRXFE

From Gyroplanes at aol.com  Thu Jun 24 20:54:05 2010
From: Gyroplanes at aol.com (Gyroplanes at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 22:54:05 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] TU XXXII
Message-ID: <d01f2.14299a8f.3955744d@aol.com>

I came in a little late
 
Where was TU XXXII  and did a club host it?
 
 
Tom  Milton
Lansing, IL.
1964 Tiger project
8382000257

 
 
 
In a message dated 6/24/2010 11:37:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
mai65tai at sonic.net writes:

Thanks  for sharing your great photos. Clearly, I did not have time to take
any  pictures. For those of you that did not make TU XXXII---we had a  great
time, great cars, great people, great weather---the challenge is out  there
for CAT to top this one next year.  

From jliny5 at cox.net  Thu Jun 24 20:59:02 2010
From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 22:59:02 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] New Guy
Message-ID: <FB511C988CA74A1D857F02CB4E9245AE@JPC>

Hello

I am brand new to the list and although not an owner of a Tiger, I am hoping
that will chnge in the not to distant future. My biggest concern is that I
might be starting behind the 8 ball since I am 6'5" tall and 250lbs. I was
looking for any insight if I will fit, and if not, any adjustments that might
accomodate my height. I saw a topic on the CAT forum about tall drivers and
saw that a smaller steering wheel can obviously help. Other than that I am all
ears. I do know that in the few days I have been a member of the list I can
tell that I have a lot to learn.

I am on the east coast and I will be looking at a Tiger next weekend up in CT.
You might have seen it advertised on Hemmings. It is a silver 66 Mk1A
(mistakenly listed as a 67.) I have done the basics, checking with Norm
Miller/TIROST and STOA list to certify it is the real McCoy. All appears in
line. I hope it is not inappropriate to ask, but I was looking to this much
more knowledgeable group for any comments on the vehicle and if perhaps
anybody has any personal knowledge. The owner before the current one was up in
Seattle. I have included ID numbers, a couple of photos, and the details of a
1999 restoration as provided by the current owner (See Below and photos
attached).

Any help on either subject is most appreciated. Thanks,

Jim Lindner

Vin = B382001746

Original Colour code = 58

JAL = 661754Engine B91KC (6366)

Sunbeam Tiger Owners Association Certification number = 294

The restoration was in 1999 and included the following.

* 260 4 speed

* New paint (Porsche silver)

* New interior

* New soft top

* All new break lines (hard lines from master cylinder,

* New gas lines

* Rebuilt front suspension (powder coated)

* Rebuilt steering column

* Rebuilt transmission with wide ratio gears* New rear bearings

* New rear springs with traction bars

* Gas tanks cleaned and sealed

* New rubber throughout

* Motor: new hypo 289 cam, lifters & headers

* New 4 barrel carb and manifold

* New radiator

* Rebuilt hydraulics (break, clutch, and servo)

* New chrome

* New dash

* Stock shifter

* Rebuilt drive shaft

* Hard top

* Toneau and bra

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From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com  Fri Jun 25 03:46:16 2010
From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Clarkwgriswold)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 04:46:16 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] New Guy
In-Reply-To: <FB511C988CA74A1D857F02CB4E9245AE@JPC>
References: <FB511C988CA74A1D857F02CB4E9245AE@JPC>
Message-ID: <98573A31-810C-4F90-ABAD-5A8BF360B65C@gmail.com>

Nice to meet you James. I'm fairly new myself, only a couple years  
now. You will love the guys on this list, they are a wealth of  
knowledge and eager to help.

One quick item that you will need to know day one... The list is  
incapable of attaching files such as images. I'm not the one to  
explain it but the system that is used to moderate for us doesn't have  
that benefit. Most people who want to communicate images in the way  
that you are will get a webshots type a account and uplaoded there,  
then provide a link to that page in the body of their message for the  
other listers to access.

Other than that, great email, sounds like you have a line on a great  
car. nice to meet you and welcome to the world of toasters, tigers,  
mixers and other sunbeam products. ;)

Cullen McCann
B282001452 LROFE

Sent from my mobile...

On Jun 24, 2010, at 9:59 PM, "James Lindner" <jliny5 at cox.net> wrote:

> Hello
>
> I am brand new to the list and although not an owner of a Tiger, I  
> am hoping
> that will chnge in the not to distant future. My biggest concern is  
> that I
> might be starting behind the 8 ball since I am 6'5" tall and 250lbs.  
> I was
> looking for any insight if I will fit, and if not, any adjustments  
> that might
> accomodate my height. I saw a topic on the CAT forum about tall  
> drivers and
> saw that a smaller steering wheel can obviously help. Other than  
> that I am all
> ears. I do know that in the few days I have been a member of the  
> list I can
> tell that I have a lot to learn.
>
> I am on the east coast and I will be looking at a Tiger next weekend  
> up in CT.
> You might have seen it advertised on Hemmings. It is a silver 66 Mk1A
> (mistakenly listed as a 67.) I have done the basics, checking with  
> Norm
> Miller/TIROST and STOA list to certify it is the real McCoy. All  
> appears in
> line. I hope it is not inappropriate to ask, but I was looking to  
> this much
> more knowledgeable group for any comments on the vehicle and if  
> perhaps
> anybody has any personal knowledge. The owner before the current one  
> was up in
> Seattle. I have included ID numbers, a couple of photos, and the  
> details of a
> 1999 restoration as provided by the current owner (See Below and  
> photos
> attached).
>
> Any help on either subject is most appreciated. Thanks,
>
> Jim Lindner
>
> Vin = B382001746
>
> Original Colour code = 58
>
> JAL = 661754Engine B91KC (6366)
>
> Sunbeam Tiger Owners Association Certification number = 294
>
> The restoration was in 1999 and included the following.
>
> * 260 4 speed
>
> * New paint (Porsche silver)
>
> * New interior
>
> * New soft top
>
> * All new break lines (hard lines from master cylinder,
>
> * New gas lines
>
> * Rebuilt front suspension (powder coated)
>
> * Rebuilt steering column
>
> * Rebuilt transmission with wide ratio gears* New rear bearings
>
> * New rear springs with traction bars
>
> * Gas tanks cleaned and sealed
>
> * New rubber throughout
>
> * Motor: new hypo 289 cam, lifters & headers
>
> * New 4 barrel carb and manifold
>
> * New radiator
>
> * Rebuilt hydraulics (break, clutch, and servo)
>
> * New chrome
>
> * New dash
>
> * Stock shifter
>
> * Rebuilt drive shaft
>
> * Hard top
>
> * Toneau and bra
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a  
> name of 054_54.JPG]
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a  
> name of 049_49.JPG]
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a  
> name of 048_48.JPG]
> _______________________________________________
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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Fri Jun 25 04:11:16 2010
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 11:11:16 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] new york - imports and space
Message-ID: <AANLkTinZwcqWi6_gx3MDzN-ecIKMjy6I0McTH4-7KXHO@mail.gmail.com>

hello all,

firstly, apologies for my limited participation as of late, my life has been
rather busy over the last few months.  secondly, apologies that this email
is not really tiger related.

at the end of the year i will be moving from england to new york and i'm
hoping to tap the knowledgeable tiger community to assist with a couple of
general questions.

i intend to bring two or three cars with me which poses two problems.
living in the city, I will not have space for a workshop so i'm hoping to
rent some space nearby to keep one or two cars and my tools and spares.  i
will need the space of a 2-4 car garage with power that is fairly accessible
from manhatten.  maybe in new jersey somewhere?  any tips on how to find
this or if anyone on the list can help out directly i'd be most grateful.

secondly, while the tiger is left hand drive and historic, so should present
no problems,  one other car in particular might cause some difficulties
bringing it into the US.  this is my right hand drive 2003 mini cooper s.
in the UK it is fully legal and passes emissions (just) but with 270hp it
might present a problem registering it in the US.  does anyone know the
rules on importing modern cars and registering cars in new york state?  both
stock and modified?  i have at least added the horrible 'side markers' which
i know are a US requirement and the bodywork is completely stock.

i'm also looking for a mark 1 range rover (range rover classic) to bring
over but i'm unsure if there is any date cut-off that would make it easier
or harder to register.  they made these between 1970 and 1994!  any advice
would be most appreciated.

- owain.

From Carmods at aol.com  Fri Jun 25 07:26:24 2010
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 09:26:24 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] TU XXXII
Message-ID: <fbdb.78a98bff.39560880@aol.com>

Hi Tom,
 
If you are interested in club meetings, Tigers East/ Alpines east is having 
 a United in Maine  October 8-11, 2010. You can get information about the  
club and the United at 
 
 _WWW.TEAE.ORG_ (http://www.TEAE.ORG) 
 
John Logan

From CoolVT at aol.com  Fri Jun 25 09:23:25 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 11:23:25 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] new york - imports and space
Message-ID: <18c72.620e5a4b.395623ed@aol.com>

On the Range Rover....I believe that most states do  not smog test vehicles 
built before 1976. So, that might be worth checking on in  NY and might 
influence your decision on year to purchase.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 6/25/2010 6:18:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
owain.lloyd at gmail.com writes:

hello  all,

firstly, apologies for my limited participation as of late, my  life has 
been
rather busy over the last few months.  secondly,  apologies that this email
is not really tiger related.

at the end of  the year i will be moving from england to new york and i'm
hoping to tap  the knowledgeable tiger community to assist with a couple of
general  questions.

i intend to bring two or three cars with me which poses two  problems.
living in the city, I will not have space for a workshop so i'm  hoping to
rent some space nearby to keep one or two cars and my tools and  spares.  i
will need the space of a 2-4 car garage with power that is  fairly 
accessible
from manhatten.  maybe in new jersey  somewhere?  any tips on how to find
this or if anyone on the list can  help out directly i'd be most grateful.

secondly, while the tiger is  left hand drive and historic, so should 
present
no problems,  one  other car in particular might cause some difficulties
bringing it into the  US.  this is my right hand drive 2003 mini cooper s.
in the UK it is  fully legal and passes emissions (just) but with 270hp it
might present a  problem registering it in the US.  does anyone know the
rules on  importing modern cars and registering cars in new york state?   
both
stock and modified?  i have at least added the horrible 'side  markers' 
which
i know are a US requirement and the bodywork is completely  stock.

i'm also looking for a mark 1 range rover (range rover classic)  to bring
over but i'm unsure if there is any date cut-off that would make  it easier
or harder to register.  they made these between 1970 and  1994!  any advice
would be most appreciated.

-  owain.
_______________________________________________
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Jun 25 10:02:15 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:02:15 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] new york - imports and space
In-Reply-To: <18c72.620e5a4b.395623ed@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9D28E57F9B714F388498F3042ED42477@ronpc1>

At this time the Smog check in NY is the inspection station plugging into
the OBD II port which goes by land line to DMV in Albany for approval.
Approval means no check engine light indicators; the State might be checking
other things too.  No tail pipe sniffing at this time.

All other vehicles are visually checked for smog equipment by year of the
vehicle; must comply with USA regulation.   New York City area could be
different; I don't live there and as always the State requirements change
regularly.

What time frame is your move?

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:23 AM
To: owain.lloyd at gmail.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] new york - imports and space


On the Range Rover....I believe that most states do  not smog test vehicles
built before 1976. So, that might be worth checking on in  NY and might
influence your decision on year to purchase.
Mark


In a message dated 6/25/2010 6:18:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
owain.lloyd at gmail.com writes:

hello  all,

firstly, apologies for my limited participation as of late, my  life has
been
rather busy over the last few months.  secondly,  apologies that this email
is not really tiger related.

at the end of  the year i will be moving from england to new york and i'm
hoping to tap  the knowledgeable tiger community to assist with a couple of
general  questions.

i intend to bring two or three cars with me which poses two  problems.
living in the city, I will not have space for a workshop so i'm  hoping to
rent some space nearby to keep one or two cars and my tools and  spares.  i
will need the space of a 2-4 car garage with power that is  fairly
accessible
from manhatten.  maybe in new jersey  somewhere?  any tips on how to find
this or if anyone on the list can  help out directly i'd be most grateful.

secondly, while the tiger is  left hand drive and historic, so should
present
no problems,  one  other car in particular might cause some difficulties
bringing it into the  US.  this is my right hand drive 2003 mini cooper s.
in the UK it is  fully legal and passes emissions (just) but with 270hp it
might present a  problem registering it in the US.  does anyone know the
rules on  importing modern cars and registering cars in new york state?
both
stock and modified?  i have at least added the horrible 'side  markers'
which
i know are a US requirement and the bodywork is completely  stock.

i'm also looking for a mark 1 range rover (range rover classic)  to bring
over but i'm unsure if there is any date cut-off that would make  it easier
or harder to register.  they made these between 1970 and  1994!  any advice
would be most appreciated.

-  owain.
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Fri Jun 25 10:07:58 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:07:58 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] new york - imports and space
Message-ID: <1c17d.3c2437a5.39562e5e@aol.com>

Sounds like Vermont and New Hampshire....if there is  no OBD port, then 
there can be no smog check. I've never had anyone look under  the hood for 
original equipment.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 6/25/2010 12:05:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
rfraser at bluefrog.com writes:

At this  time the Smog check in NY is the inspection station plugging into
the OBD  II port which goes by land line to DMV in Albany for approval.
Approval  means no check engine light indicators; the State might be 
checking
other  things too.  No tail pipe sniffing at this time.

All other  vehicles are visually checked for smog equipment by year of the
vehicle;  must comply with USA regulation.   New York City area could  be
different; I don't live there and as always the State requirements  change
regularly.

What time frame is your move?

Ron  Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From:  tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On  Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:23 AM
To:  owain.lloyd at gmail.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] new york  - imports and space


On the Range Rover....I believe that most  states do  not smog test vehicles
built before 1976. So, that might be  worth checking on in  NY and might
influence your decision on year to  purchase.
Mark


In a message dated 6/25/2010 6:18:48 A.M. Eastern  Daylight Time,
owain.lloyd at gmail.com writes:

hello   all,

firstly, apologies for my limited participation as of late,  my  life has
been
rather busy over the last few months.   secondly,  apologies that this email
is not really tiger  related.

at the end of  the year i will be moving from england to  new york and i'm
hoping to tap  the knowledgeable tiger community to  assist with a couple of
general  questions.

i intend to bring  two or three cars with me which poses two  problems.
living in the  city, I will not have space for a workshop so i'm  hoping to
rent some  space nearby to keep one or two cars and my tools and  spares.   
i
will need the space of a 2-4 car garage with power that is   fairly
accessible
from manhatten.  maybe in new jersey   somewhere?  any tips on how to find
this or if anyone on the list  can  help out directly i'd be most grateful.

secondly, while the  tiger is  left hand drive and historic, so should
present
no  problems,  one  other car in particular might cause some  difficulties
bringing it into the  US.  this is my right hand  drive 2003 mini cooper s.
in the UK it is  fully legal and passes  emissions (just) but with 270hp it
might present a  problem  registering it in the US.  does anyone know the
rules on   importing modern cars and registering cars in new york state?
both
stock  and modified?  i have at least added the horrible 'side   markers'
which
i know are a US requirement and the bodywork is  completely  stock.

i'm also looking for a mark 1 range rover  (range rover classic)  to bring
over but i'm unsure if there is any  date cut-off that would make  it easier
or harder to register.   they made these between 1970 and  1994!  any advice
would be most  appreciated.

-   owain.
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From s_ralsten at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 25 11:34:29 2010
From: s_ralsten at yahoo.com (Steve Ralsten)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 10:34:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] new york - imports and space
In-Reply-To: <1c17d.3c2437a5.39562e5e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <401906.45572.qm@web120105.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

---You can probably find your answers in here....
 
http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/
 
at least the parts about vehicle registration requirements. Every state is
unique.
So, now we should call you Yank Lloyd ?   ;^) 

From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Fri Jun 25 11:42:25 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (mcdangerous at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:42:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Tigers] new york - imports and space
Message-ID: <837151134.1443807.1277487745093.JavaMail.root@vms183.mailsrvcs.net>

Here's what I sent to Owain this morning but neglected to reply all.  Maybe this background info could be helpful to others thinking about doing the same sort of thing:

Owain,

Unfortunately, I don't have the time this morning to write a very detailed
response because, like you, I'm in a super busy time.  Very quickly, I'm a
Yank but lived in Europe for many years.  I have tried to bring cars both
ways and it is difficult, to say the least.  If you are coming temporarily,
it might be easiest to not import the cars, particularly the Mini. There are
two sets of standards you need to worry about when importing cars into the
US, smog and safety. Importation duties can be rough. I would check for
detailed information at www.EPA.gov and www.DOT.gov.

Some things to keep in mind are that anything from 1967 or earlier does not
have to worry about such things as smog, standard bumper heights, crash
resistance, mirrors, seat belts, etc., I believe, so the Tiger should be
really easy.  Also, if the Tiger started its life in the US and can be
proved with documentation, I believe it will be exempt from duties, which
were already paid in the beginning of its life.  As for the Land Rover, each
year after 1967, DOT and EPA added certain required, standard elements for
cars in the US.  You would have to worry only about the elements listed for
those years.  In other words, if in 1969, it became a requirement to have
two rear facing mirrors and a speedometer calibrated in MPH, then you should
ensure that you have at least one mirror on the door and one on the
windshield, as well as the right US approved speedometer.  The lists by year
should be on the government websites. So the Land Rover should be quite
easy.

As for the Mini, I had one myself, so I understand your wanting to bring it
with you, but I would have to say that the procedure to bring it in will
likely cost you thousands just to make it compliant with EPA and DOT
regulations.  You may have to even have the bumpers modified if the UK model
does not have the same crash test rating as the US model.  Add to that cost
the duties you'd have to pay and it may not be economically feasible.
Having said that, there are "grey (or gray) market" import companies that do
this type of work all day long, so you should contact one of them.  If I
were you, I would leave my Mini in England and buy another one here.  You
can probably modify the new one here to similar or superior specs for much
less money than it would cost to import your British car to the US.  Check
out www.minimania.com for lots of Mini information.

Whatever you decide to do, I wish you well, and I wish you luck.  You'll
love New York.  I lived there as well and it's a uniquely interesting place
to live, like London, Rome, Barcelona or LA.  You know you're there even if
they drop you from a plane blindfolded.  Cheers.

M

Jun 25, 2010 12:34:50 PM, s_ralsten at yahoo.com wrote:

---You can probably find your answers in here....
 
http://www.nydmv.state.ny.us/
 
at least the parts about vehicle registration requirements. Every state is
unique.
So, now we should call you Yank Lloyd ?   ;^) 
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From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Fri Jun 25 11:56:41 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (mcdangerous at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:56:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Hurst vs Original Shifter : Advice Needed
Message-ID: <788771594.1444549.1277488601216.JavaMail.root@vms183.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi there.  I would appreciate your advice.  The installation of my new engine
is being held up by a problem I had with my custom Hurst shifter.  I may have
mentioned this before, but one of the shift arms (reverse) was angled
incorrectly and the tailshaft pedestal interfered with it.  Ugh.  So I had to
send it back to the guy who built it for me to be redone.  He tested it on a
Galaxie tailshaft, which is a bit different than the Tiger's.   Anyway, it's
taking more time than I expected and am wondering whether anyone feels
strongly, one way or the other, if a low miles original shifter is good
enough, or whether it's worth the wait for the Hurst shifter.  I expect to
have the Hurst shifter back maybe late next week if all goes well.  The car is
now up on stands with the crossmember removed.  All I have to do at this point
is disconnect the drive shaft, the speedometer cable, the headers, and drop
the engine -- and lift the new one in place.  Easy-peasy.  Getting the
crossmember lined back up looks like it will be hellishly hard.  I know there
must be some trick to it!!!  Thanks.

From PhastPhill at aol.com  Fri Jun 25 11:56:12 2010
From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:56:12 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] new york - imports and space
Message-ID: <23218.4677715c.395647bc@aol.com>

Might try this  
link....http://customs.gov/xp/cgov/trade/basic_trade/importing_car.xml

From e.coiner at cox.net  Fri Jun 25 12:15:52 2010
From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 11:15:52 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Hurst vs Original Shifter : Advice Needed
In-Reply-To: <788771594.1444549.1277488601216.JavaMail.root@vms183.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <20100625141552.2JBXY.899064.imail@fed1rmwml29>

I have a stock shifter in my Tiger that I have rebuilt.  I have Hurst in my 66  Mustang.  The Hurst feel is so much nicer.
Even with fresh wave washers on all the rod ends and on the main cross shaft, the Ford unit has some slop and a tendency to make an annoying buzzing sound at speed.  If you are ok with a non stock shifter appearance in the Tiger wait for the shifter.

When I reinstalled my cross member I could get 3 of 4 bolts to line up.  Any 3 didn't matter which.
I had to borrow a hydraulic ram and place it between the frame horns in front of the motor and spread it apart slightly to get the 4th bolt to go in.  My car has previous front end wreck repair that may account for some of my problems. Others say the weight of the engine is enough to pull the horns together slightly.


---- mcdangerous at verizon.net wrote: 
> Hi there.  I would appreciate your advice.  The installation of my new engine
> is being held up by a problem I had with my custom Hurst shifter.  I may have
> mentioned this before, but one of the shift arms (reverse) was angled
> incorrectly and the tailshaft pedestal interfered with it.  Ugh.  So I had to
> send it back to the guy who built it for me to be redone.  He tested it on a
> Galaxie tailshaft, which is a bit different than the Tiger's.   Anyway, it's
> taking more time than I expected and am wondering whether anyone feels
> strongly, one way or the other, if a low miles original shifter is good
> enough, or whether it's worth the wait for the Hurst shifter.  I expect to
> have the Hurst shifter back maybe late next week if all goes well.  The car is
> now up on stands with the crossmember removed.  All I have to do at this point
> is disconnect the drive shaft, the speedometer cable, the headers, and drop
> the engine -- and lift the new one in place.  Easy-peasy.  Getting the
> crossmember lined back up looks like it will be hellishly hard.  I know there
> must be some trick to it!!!  Thanks.

From tym2 at comcast.net  Fri Jun 25 12:30:41 2010
From: tym2 at comcast.net (tym2 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 18:30:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Corvette Z06 Not Tiger Related
Message-ID: <51482697.10215381277490641137.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Tigers, 


I'm looking at a Z06 Corvette. Does anyone out in Tigerland have one, or has had experience with one? 


Thanks in advance. 


Tym McDowell 

From mcdangerous at verizon.net  Fri Jun 25 13:27:43 2010
From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (mcdangerous at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:27:43 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Hurst vs Original Shifter : Advice Needed
Message-ID: <624387777.1449321.1277494063465.JavaMail.root@vms183.mailsrvcs.net>

Thanks for this info.  The Hurst shifter I had made is "custom" in that it directly accepts the stock shift lever the way that the Ford shifter does.  In other words, it's different from the unit David Kee makes in that there is no extra bracket and no bushings required.  he end result is a completely stock look from inside of the car, which as some know, is very important to me!  Anyway, I guess I will be waiting for the Hurst shifter to be returned to me before proceeding.  It's too bloody hot and humid here these days anyway!   Cheers. 


Jun 25, 2010 01:15:54 PM, e.coiner at cox.net wrote:

I have a stock shifter in my Tiger that I have rebuilt.  I have Hurst in my 66  Mustang.  The Hurst feel is so much nicer.
Even with fresh wave washers on all the rod ends and on the main cross shaft, the Ford unit has some slop and a tendency to make an annoying buzzing sound at speed.  If you are ok with a non stock shifter appearance in the Tiger wait for the shifter.

When I reinstalled my cross member I could get 3 of 4 bolts to line up.  Any 3 didn't matter which.
I had to borrow a hydraulic ram and place it between the frame horns in front of the motor and spread it apart slightly to get the 4th bolt to go in.  My car has previous front end wreck repair that may account for some of my problems. Others say the weight of the engine is enough to pull the horns together slightly.


---- mcdangerous at verizon.net wrote: 
> Hi there.  I would appreciate your advice.  The installation of my new engine
> is being held up by a problem I had with my custom Hurst shifter.  I may have
> mentioned this before, but one of the shift arms (reverse) was angled
> incorrectly and the tailshaft pedestal interfered with it.  Ugh.  So I had to
> send it back to the guy who built it for me to be redone.  He tested it on a
> Galaxie tailshaft, which is a bit different than the Tiger's.   Anyway, it's
> taking more time than I expected and am wondering whether anyone feels
> strongly, one way or the other, if a low miles original shifter is good
> enough, or whether it's worth the wait for the Hurst shifter.  I expect to
> have the Hurst shifter back maybe late next week if all goes well.  The car is
> now up on stands with the crossmember removed.  All I have to do at this point
> is disconnect the drive shaft, the speedometer cable, the headers, and drop
> the engine -- and lift the new one in place.  Easy-peasy.  Getting the
> crossmember lined back up looks like it will be hellishly hard.  I know there
> must be some trick to it!!!  Thanks.

From MWood24020 at aol.com  Fri Jun 25 19:59:13 2010
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 21:59:13 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Corvette Z06 Not Tiger Related
Message-ID: <3de38.58841584.3956b8f1@aol.com>

C5 or C6? I ran a C5 Z06 at a national level in SCCA Solo.
Mike Wood
 
 
In a message dated 6/25/2010 11:31:59 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
tym2 at comcast.net writes:

Tigers,  


I'm looking at a Z06 Corvette. Does anyone out in Tigerland have  one, or 
has had experience with one? 


Thanks in advance.  


Tym McDowell  
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From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 26 09:38:09 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 08:38:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Hurst vs Original Shifter : Advice Needed
In-Reply-To: <788771594.1444549.1277488601216.JavaMail.root@vms183.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <788771594.1444549.1277488601216.JavaMail.root@vms183.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <411560.59013.qm@web111615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

The cross member is held on with only 4 bolts into the frame rail.
Use an old
bolt and chase the threads. 

The cross member is not balances well.  If you
are alone than
a 2x6 across the ends will help balance it as you jace up the
front.

Install the bolts finger tight, leaving about 1/8 insh showing.  You
will 
notice that one of thes bolt will not install.  It will want to cross
thread.  
If you look in the bolt hole you can see the frame hole is off a
bit.  
That's because the weight of the engine spreads the frame rails. The
answer isaimple. Use the 2x6 under the oil pan and jack the engine very
slightly taking up the engine weight. Dont dent the pan. My LAT pan
has a wide
flat surface.

Now all four holes lilne up and you can install the 4th bolt
easily.
once in, snug all four bolts. Find your torgue wrench and torgue
the
bolts.  Remove jack and 2x6  It'll make a racket if you leave it.

Have fun. 
I've done this alone in my garage in the winter.  It was
NOT no sweat.  Too
cold for sweat,

Dave

 



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From:
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To: s_ralsten at yahoo.com
Cc: CoolVT at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 1:56:41 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Hurst vs Original Shifter : Advice Needed

Hi there.  I
would appreciate your advice.  The installation of my new engine
is being held
up by a problem I had with my custom Hurst shifter.  I may have
mentioned this
before, but one of the shift arms (reverse) was angled
incorrectly and the
tailshaft pedestal interfered with it.  Ugh.  So I had to
send it back to the
guy who built it for me to be redone.  He tested it on a
Galaxie tailshaft,
which is a bit different than the Tiger's.  Anyway, it's
taking more time than
I expected and am wondering whether anyone feels
strongly, one way or the
other, if a low miles original shifter is good
enough, or whether it's worth
the wait for the Hurst shifter.  I expect to
have the Hurst shifter back maybe
late next week if all goes well.  The car is
now up on stands with the
crossmember removed.  All I have to do at this point
is disconnect the drive
shaft, the speedometer cable, the headers, and drop
the engine -- and lift the
new one in place.  Easy-peasy.  Getting the
crossmember lined back up looks
like it will be hellishly hard.  I know there
must be some trick to it!!! 
Thanks.
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 26 23:08:12 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 22:08:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Hurst vs Original Shifter : Advice Needed
In-Reply-To: <411560.59013.qm@web111615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <361050.43866.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Mauro- My suggestion with all thread- will work the same from the bottom up-
realized my mistake but have been to busy to get on line to tell U about using
the all thread as an alignment tool then replacing the long all thread- use
two nuts jammed together- even tho they should turn out w/ your fingers- they
need to be in a ways BUT not all the way in.
TtT

--- On Sat, 6/26/10, David T Johnson <djoh797014 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: David T Johnson <djoh797014 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hurst vs Original Shifter : Advice Needed
To: mcdangerous at verizon.net, s_ralsten at yahoo.com
Cc: CoolVT at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, June 26, 2010, 10:38 AM


The cross member is held on with only 4 bolts into the frame rail.
Use an old
bolt and chase the threads.

The cross member is not balances well.  If you
are alone than
a 2x6 across the ends will help balance it as you jace up the
front.

Install the bolts finger tight, leaving about 1/8 insh showing.  You
will
notice that one of thes bolt will not install.  It will want to cross
thread. 
If you look in the bolt hole you can see the frame hole is off a
bit. 
That's because the weight of the engine spreads the frame rails. The
answer isaimple. Use the 2x6 under the oil pan and jack the engine very
slightly taking up the engine weight. Dont dent the pan. My LAT pan
has a wide
flat surface.

Now all four holes lilne up and you can install the 4th bolt
easily.
once in, snug all four bolts. Find your torgue wrench and torgue
the
bolts.  Remove jack and 2x6  It'll make a racket if you leave it.

Have fun.
I've done this alone in my garage in the winter.  It was
NOT no sweat.  Too
cold for sweat,

Dave





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From:
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To: s_ralsten at yahoo.com
Cc: CoolVT at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 1:56:41 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Hurst vs Original Shifter : Advice Needed

Hi there.  I
would appreciate your advice.  The installation of my new engine
is being held
up by a problem I had with my custom Hurst shifter.  I may have
mentioned this
before, but one of the shift arms (reverse) was angled
incorrectly and the
tailshaft pedestal interfered with it.  Ugh.  So I had to
send it back to the
guy who built it for me to be redone.  He tested it on a
Galaxie tailshaft,
which is a bit different than the Tiger's.  Anyway, it's
taking more time than
I expected and am wondering whether anyone feels
strongly, one way or the
other, if a low miles original shifter is good
enough, or whether it's worth
the wait for the Hurst shifter.  I expect to
have the Hurst shifter back maybe
late next week if all goes well.  The car is
now up on stands with the
crossmember removed.  All I have to do at this point
is disconnect the drive
shaft, the speedometer cable, the headers, and drop
the engine -- and lift the
new one in place.  Easy-peasy.  Getting the
crossmember lined back up looks
like it will be hellishly hard.  I know there
must be some trick to it!!!
Thanks.
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From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 28 08:57:01 2010
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter L)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 07:57:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] 1965 Sunbeam Tiger for Sale - $23500
Message-ID: <56136.44082.qm@web53605.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I tried to email the group first last night re my tiger for sale, but it seems
to not have gone through.  In that email i gave more color than this public
ad, incl the VIN (though the pics have it shown), more color on why selling
(have another tiger that will be a "keeper for life" that doug jennings is
just finishing up after a 3.5 year bare metal resto and another light blue one
the wifey loves), etc.  So here is the details, hopefully the link doesnt make
this tiger list post get blocked.  Email me with any questions.
 
http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/cto/1814624610.html
 
Thks
Peter

From bbulpitt at SterlingPlanet.com  Mon Jun 28 12:24:44 2010
From: bbulpitt at SterlingPlanet.com (Bill Bulpitt)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:24:44 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Barrett Jackson Orange County
Message-ID: <A5C63FDA03A50E4289BBB95DC54C32FF528728@atlspsmail.SterlingPlanet.local>

Was that Tiger a clone? Seemed to go cheap...



Bill Bulpitt

William S. Bulpitt, P.E.

Project Director, Sterling Energy Assets

3500 Parkway Lane, Suite 500, Norcross, GA 30092

T: 678-325-7106 C: 770-329-5263

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From gpointer at telusplanet.net  Mon Jun 28 12:39:01 2010
From: gpointer at telusplanet.net (Pointers)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 12:39:01 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger sold at Barrett-Jackson Orange County
Message-ID: <18AC5436A3024C4794398954462A006C@TIGERV8>

I follow BJ routinely, since SpeedTV started coverage, and for whatever
reason, Tiger's don't appear there. One crossed the block when I attended
there in 1996, but I don't recall a Tiger since. This one went for $30,800
(incl buyer's commis):
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/currentcarlist.as
px?aid=343&sd=06%2f27%2f2010&ed=06%2f27%2f2010
I missed Friday's telecast; not sure if Speed showed this. If so, catch it on
the re-runs hopefully. Curious how they profiled it.

From s_ralsten at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 28 13:08:57 2010
From: s_ralsten at yahoo.com (Steve Ralsten)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 12:08:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Barrett Jackson Orange County
In-Reply-To: <A5C63FDA03A50E4289BBB95DC54C32FF528728@atlspsmail.SterlingPlanet.local>
Message-ID: <136563.14880.qm@web120115.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Can't tell much from the pics. In readng the BJ description they
said something about being the most customized engine compartment
ever seen in a Tiger, holes filled and smoothed etc.. Maybe because its an
Alpine compartment ? I'll never see the car.
 


--- On Mon, 6/28/10, Bill Bulpitt <bbulpitt at SterlingPlanet.com> wrote:


From: Bill Bulpitt <bbulpitt at SterlingPlanet.com>
Subject: [Tigers] Barrett Jackson Orange County
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 11:24 AM


Was that Tiger a clone? Seemed to go cheap...



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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Mon Jun 28 13:12:29 2010
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 20:12:29 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger sold at Barrett-Jackson Orange County
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Message-ID: <AANLkTilb7sHkSR5QSHmrvzLIfY03P0zsLHkK-zH4VG5b@mail.gmail.com>

all this talk of cheap 20-30k tigers is new to me.  i paid 16 for mine and
drove it through 3 continents.
where is the current market for an average mk1a?

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Pointers <gpointer at telusplanet.net> wrote:

> I follow BJ routinely, since SpeedTV started coverage, and for whatever
> reason, Tiger's don't appear there. One crossed the block when I attended
> there in 1996, but I don't recall a Tiger since. This one went for $30,800
> (incl buyer's commis):
>
> http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/currentcarlist.as
> px?aid=343&sd=06%2f27%2f2010&ed=06%2f27%2f2010<http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/currentcarlist.as%0Apx?aid=343&sd=06%2f27%2f2010&ed=06%2f27%2f2010>
> I missed Friday's telecast; not sure if Speed showed this. If so, catch it
> on
> the re-runs hopefully. Curious how they profiled it.
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Jun 28 13:22:52 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:22:52 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger sold at Barrett-Jackson Orange County
Message-ID: <c59ac.65cf0097.395a508c@aol.com>

I think the prices were down from the past few years.  A short time before 
the Tiger were a few Camero's that went for $20K and  $22K.
M
 
 
In a message dated 6/28/2010 2:39:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
gpointer at telusplanet.net writes:

I follow  BJ routinely, since SpeedTV started coverage, and for whatever
reason,  Tiger's don't appear there. One crossed the block when I attended
there in  1996, but I don't recall a Tiger since. This one went for $30,800
(incl  buyer's  commis):
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/currentcarlist.a
s
px?aid=343&sd=06%2f27%2f2010&ed=06%2f27%2f2010
I  missed Friday's telecast; not sure if Speed showed this. If so, catch it 
 on
the re-runs hopefully. Curious how they profiled  it.
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From jd.sencindiver at gmail.com  Mon Jun 28 13:27:52 2010
From: jd.sencindiver at gmail.com (Jim Sencindiver)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:27:52 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Barrett Jackson Orange County
In-Reply-To: <136563.14880.qm@web120115.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <A5C63FDA03A50E4289BBB95DC54C32FF528728@atlspsmail.SterlingPlanet.local>
	<136563.14880.qm@web120115.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinI39h5cvAxBwGF44lQneBoOIGh9i3fqi4tMUBp@mail.gmail.com>

Unless the new owner submits the Tiger for a TAC inspection, we may never
know.  Even then, with all the customized work, it may obscure/remove the
Tiger only manufacturing evidence and TAC would have to decline to
Authenticate.  Saw that happen once, and no I will not identify which Tiger
it was!

Keep on Tigering!
Jim Sencindiver

B382100451/TAC 448
http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Steve Ralsten <s_ralsten at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Can't tell much from the pics. In readng the BJ description they
> said something about being the most customized engine compartment
> ever seen in a Tiger, holes filled and smoothed etc.. Maybe because its an
> Alpine compartment ? I'll never see the car.
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 6/28/10, Bill Bulpitt <bbulpitt at SterlingPlanet.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Bill Bulpitt <bbulpitt at SterlingPlanet.com>
> Subject: [Tigers] Barrett Jackson Orange County
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 11:24 AM
>
>
> Was that Tiger a clone? Seemed to go cheap...
>
>
>
> Bill Bulpitt
>
> William S. Bulpitt, P.E.
>
> Project Director, Sterling Energy Assets
>
> 3500 Parkway Lane, Suite 500, Norcross, GA 30092
>
> T: 678-325-7106 C: 770-329-5263
>
> bbulpitt at sterlingplanet.com

From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 28 16:24:13 2010
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:24:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Barrett Jackson Orange County..pricing
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinI39h5cvAxBwGF44lQneBoOIGh9i3fqi4tMUBp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <177932.12275.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi,
     I have been following B-J and E-Pay a lot lately..Prices are down on
some..up on others..I saw a Healy Mk111 go for $100000 a week ago..a nice
E-Type coupe barely make $35000...
     Many cars on E-Pay are not making the owners reserve(the price they paid
three years ago??)..Motorcycles are even more depressed..It is a sign of the
times..
zym

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Mon, 6/28/10, Jim Sencindiver <jd.sencindiver at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Jim Sencindiver <jd.sencindiver at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Barrett Jackson Orange County
To: "Steve Ralsten" <s_ralsten at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Bill Bulpitt" <bbulpitt at sterlingplanet.com>, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 3:27 PM


Unless the new owner submits the Tiger for a TAC inspection, we may never
know.  Even then, with all the customized work, it may obscure/remove the
Tiger only manufacturing evidence and TAC would have to decline to
Authenticate.  Saw that happen once, and no I will not identify which Tiger
it was!

Keep on Tigering!
Jim Sencindiver

B382100451/TAC 448
http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Steve Ralsten <s_ralsten at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Can't tell much from the pics. In readng the BJ description they
> said something about being the most customized engine compartment
> ever seen in a Tiger, holes filled and smoothed etc.. Maybe because its an
> Alpine compartment ? I'll never see the car.
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 6/28/10, Bill Bulpitt <bbulpitt at SterlingPlanet.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Bill Bulpitt <bbulpitt at SterlingPlanet.com>
> Subject: [Tigers] Barrett Jackson Orange County
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 11:24 AM
>
>
> Was that Tiger a clone? Seemed to go cheap...
>
>
>
> Bill Bulpitt
>
> William S. Bulpitt, P.E.
>
> Project Director, Sterling Energy Assets
>
> 3500 Parkway Lane, Suite 500, Norcross, GA 30092
>
> T: 678-325-7106 C: 770-329-5263
>
> bbulpitt at sterlingplanet.com
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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Mon Jun 28 16:29:18 2010
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 23:29:18 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Barrett Jackson Orange County..pricing
In-Reply-To: <177932.12275.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTinI39h5cvAxBwGF44lQneBoOIGh9i3fqi4tMUBp@mail.gmail.com>
	<177932.12275.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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e types are rock bottom in the UK now.   not before time if you ask me....

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Howard gentry <zymmer4 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>     I have been following B-J and E-Pay a lot lately..Prices are down on
> some..up on others..I saw a Healy Mk111 go for $100000 a week ago..a nice
> E-Type coupe barely make $35000...
>     Many cars on E-Pay are not making the owners reserve(the price they
> paid
> three years ago??)..Motorcycles are even more depressed..It is a sign of
> the
> times..
> zym
>
> The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.
>
> --- On Mon, 6/28/10, Jim Sencindiver <jd.sencindiver at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Jim Sencindiver <jd.sencindiver at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Barrett Jackson Orange County
> To: "Steve Ralsten" <s_ralsten at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Bill Bulpitt" <bbulpitt at sterlingplanet.com>, tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 3:27 PM
>
>
> Unless the new owner submits the Tiger for a TAC inspection, we may never
> know.  Even then, with all the customized work, it may obscure/remove the
> Tiger only manufacturing evidence and TAC would have to decline to
> Authenticate.  Saw that happen once, and no I will not identify which Tiger
> it was!
>
> Keep on Tigering!
> Jim Sencindiver
>
> B382100451/TAC 448
> http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Steve Ralsten <s_ralsten at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Can't tell much from the pics. In readng the BJ description they
> > said something about being the most customized engine compartment
> > ever seen in a Tiger, holes filled and smoothed etc.. Maybe because its
> an
> > Alpine compartment ? I'll never see the car.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 6/28/10, Bill Bulpitt <bbulpitt at SterlingPlanet.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Bill Bulpitt <bbulpitt at SterlingPlanet.com>
> > Subject: [Tigers] Barrett Jackson Orange County
> > To: tigers at autox.team.net
> > Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 11:24 AM
> >
> >
> > Was that Tiger a clone? Seemed to go cheap...
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill Bulpitt
> >
> > William S. Bulpitt, P.E.
> >
> > Project Director, Sterling Energy Assets
> >
> > 3500 Parkway Lane, Suite 500, Norcross, GA 30092
> >
> > T: 678-325-7106 C: 770-329-5263
> >
> > bbulpitt at sterlingplanet.com
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From spook01 at comcast.net  Mon Jun 28 17:13:49 2010
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 18:13:49 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Tiger_sold_at_Barrett-Jackson_Orange_County?=
Message-ID: <20100628231243.9D68D187660@autox.team.net>

You can't base prices on BJ auction prices. They got 30 odd k for a totally non original mustang. 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Owain Lloyd" <owain.lloyd at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 28, 2010 14:12
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger sold at Barrett-Jackson Orange County
To: "Pointers" <gpointer at telusplanet.net>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>


all this talk of cheap 20-30k tigers is new to me.  i paid 16 for mine and
drove it through 3 continents.
where is the current market for an average mk1a?

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Pointers <gpointer at telusplanet.net> wrote:

> I follow BJ routinely, since SpeedTV started coverage, and for whatever
> reason, Tiger's don't appear there. One crossed the block when I attended
> there in 1996, but I don't recall a Tiger since. This one went for $30,800
> (incl buyer's commis):
>
> http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/currentcarlist.as
> px?aid=343&sd=06%2f27%2f2010&ed=06%2f27%2f2010<http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/currentcarlist.as%0Apx?aid=343&sd=06%2f27%2f2010&ed=06%2f27%2f2010>
> I missed Friday's telecast; not sure if Speed showed this. If so, catch it
> on
> the re-runs hopefully. Curious how they profiled it.
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From mmichels at socal.rr.com  Mon Jun 28 20:04:40 2010
From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 19:04:40 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger sold at Barrett-Jackson Orange County
In-Reply-To: <20100628231243.9D68D187660@autox.team.net>
References: <20100628231243.9D68D187660@autox.team.net>
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Bob Varsha and Mike Joy were wandering around Cars and Coffee Saturday
morning and stopped at my Tiger quite a while, wanting to get more info on
how many Tigers there are, authentication etc. . I asked about the Friday
car. They thought the car was fairly nice and money was on the low side, but
that was the unfolding story of the whole auction. Matt Stone, who also does
the BJ broadcasts is a friend and actually the guy who got me embroiled in
Tigers in the first place, since he used to have one. If I have a chance
I'll get his reading on the car. Tim Ronak saw the car and said it was OK,
but not tip top and had a T-5 instead of top loader. I was curious because
it was billed as a '67, and had a 289 but the grille and other cosmetics
didn't look like a Mk II. It looked pretty complete, otherwise. 

I caught a Russo and Steele auction on TV with a (highly modified) Tiger
going for 100k. Was that from last year's Monterey?. 

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of spook01 at comcast.net
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 4:14 PM
To: Owain Lloyd; Pointers
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger sold at Barrett-Jackson Orange County

You can't base prices on BJ auction prices. They got 30 odd k for a totally
non original mustang. 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Owain Lloyd" <owain.lloyd at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jun 28, 2010 14:12
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger sold at Barrett-Jackson Orange County
To: "Pointers" <gpointer at telusplanet.net>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>


all this talk of cheap 20-30k tigers is new to me.  i paid 16 for mine and
drove it through 3 continents.
where is the current market for an average mk1a?

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Pointers <gpointer at telusplanet.net> wrote:

> I follow BJ routinely, since SpeedTV started coverage, and for whatever
> reason, Tiger's don't appear there. One crossed the block when I attended
> there in 1996, but I don't recall a Tiger since. This one went for $30,800
> (incl buyer's commis):
>
>
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/currentcarlist.a
s
>
px?aid=343&sd=06%2f27%2f2010&ed=06%2f27%2f2010<http://www.barrett-jackson.co
m/application/onlinesubmission/currentcarlist.as%0Apx?aid=343&sd=06%2f27%2f2
010&ed=06%2f27%2f2010>
> I missed Friday's telecast; not sure if Speed showed this. If so, catch it
> on
> the re-runs hopefully. Curious how they profiled it.
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From s_ralsten at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 29 10:01:34 2010
From: s_ralsten at yahoo.com (Steve Ralsten)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 09:01:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] New Guy
In-Reply-To: <FB511C988CA74A1D857F02CB4E9245AE@JPC>
Message-ID: <396908.90867.qm@web120109.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Welcome to the list. Didn't see this sooner as for some reason it ended up in
my SPAM
folder. It sounds as though you have already heard to be cautious of Alpine
conversions that are not authentic Tigers. In addition to running the registry
Norm is pretty helpful with other info. Send him the chassis number and see if
he has any other info on this car.
 
Being careful of rust is obvious. It is also a good idea to be sure of your
desire regarding modification or having a factory original car. Lots of Tigers
are mildly to heavily modified.
If thats OK with you then no problem. If you desire a factory original car it
can be expensive
to find parts to get back to stock if the car has been modded. Things like
steering wheels, air cleaners and fan shrouds will cost nearly or over $1000.
 
Steve
B9473720 LROFE

--- On Thu, 6/24/10, James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net> wrote:


From: James Lindner <jliny5 at cox.net>
Subject: [Tigers] New Guy
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 7:59 PM


Hello

I am brand new to the list and although not an owner of a Tiger, I am hoping
that will chnge in the not to distant future. My biggest concern is that I
might be starting behind the 8 ball since I am 6'5" tall and 250lbs. I was
looking for any insight if I will fit, and if not, any adjustments that might
accomodate my height. I saw a topic on the CAT forum about tall drivers and
saw that a smaller steering wheel can obviously help. Other than that I am
all
ears. I do know that in the few days I have been a member of the list I can
tell that I have a lot to learn.

I am on the east coast and I will be looking at a Tiger next weekend up in
CT.
You might have seen it advertised on Hemmings. It is a silver 66 Mk1A
(mistakenly listed as a 67.) I have done the basics, checking with Norm
Miller/TIROST and STOA list to certify it is the real McCoy. All appears in
line. I hope it is not inappropriate to ask, but I was looking to this much
more knowledgeable group for any comments on the vehicle and if perhaps
anybody has any personal knowledge. The owner before the current one was up
in
Seattle. I have included ID numbers, a couple of photos, and the details of a
1999 restoration as provided by the current owner (See Below and photos
attached).

Any help on either subject is most appreciated. Thanks,

Jim Lindner

Vin = B382001746

Original Colour code = 58

JAL = 661754Engine B91KC (6366)

Sunbeam Tiger Owners Association Certification number = 294

The restoration was in 1999 and included the following.

* 260 4 speed

* New paint (Porsche silver)

* New interior

* New soft top

* All new break lines (hard lines from master cylinder,

* New gas lines

* Rebuilt front suspension (powder coated)

* Rebuilt steering column

* Rebuilt transmission with wide ratio gears* New rear bearings

* New rear springs with traction bars

* Gas tanks cleaned and sealed

* New rubber throughout

* Motor: new hypo 289 cam, lifters & headers

* New 4 barrel carb and manifold

* New radiator

* Rebuilt hydraulics (break, clutch, and servo)

* New chrome

* New dash

* Stock shifter

* Rebuilt drive shaft

* Hard top

* Toneau and bra

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From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun 29 11:31:04 2010
From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 10:31:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure & Rear Main Leak Question
Message-ID: <367096.26579.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

For a number of years (ever since day one with a newly rebuilt 302 roller cam
motor), I've lived with a rear main oil leak.  Not bad enough to demand
fixing... but bothersome.  I've finally decided to fix it.
 
It's an '86 "RHO" (an early Ford crate engine... remanufactured 302 HO).  It
has the one piece rear main seal, so I'll have to pull the trans to get at
it.
 
However, one concern I have is with the oil pressure.  When I got the engine,
I installed a Melling M-68HV high volume oil pump.  The pressure has always
been on the "high" side (at least I think it is high).  At idle or higher
RPM's, it stays at a more or less constant 60 to 65 lbs.  
 
Is it possible that the leak is possibly a result of running more pressure
than I really need?  The PCV and breather are fine, so I don't think it is a
crankcase pressure issue.
 
Guess what I need advice on is whether I should change the oil pump to a
standard volume street type to run at a somewhat lower pressure?  If so... any
recommendations on the oil pump brand & model number?
 
Also: any suggestions regarding a specific type or brand of rear main seal?
 
Thanks in advance.
 
Bill Waite
Grand Rapids, MI
B382100437
 
 
 
      

From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 12:17:49 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 14:17:49 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure & Rear Main Leak Question
In-Reply-To: <367096.26579.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <367096.26579.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinno4z-235zqusiigLHAVI7i-tdR6Rt4mMc5dzh@mail.gmail.com>

Bill,

When I started my rebuild the machinist suggested strongly that I avoid the
high volume oil pump unless I was racing the car. (I'm not.) I can see the
possibility of the oil pressure blowing out the rear seal, but I have to say
I don't KNOW that. If it were me I think I'd drop the pan and replace the
oil pump with a stock pump and see what happens. Maybe it'll help (or maybe
not); it's sure easier than pulling the engine.

NAPA should have a good oil stock pump at a "reasonable" price.

Tom
' 67 Tiger 289.

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Bill Waite <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> For a number of years (ever since day one with a newly rebuilt 302 roller
> cam
> motor), I've lived with a rear main oil leak.  Not bad enough to demand
> fixing... but bothersome.  I've finally decided to fix it.
>
> It's an '86 "RHO" (an early Ford crate engine... remanufactured 302 HO).
>  It
> has the one piece rear main seal, so I'll have to pull the trans to get at
> it.
>
> However, one concern I have is with the oil pressure.  When I got the
> engine,
> I installed a Melling M-68HV high volume oil pump.  The pressure has always
> been on the "high" side (at least I think it is high).  At idle or higher
> RPM's, it stays at a more or less constant 60 to 65 lbs.
>
> Is it possible that the leak is possibly a result of running more pressure
> than I really need?  The PCV and breather are fine, so I don't think it is
> a
> crankcase pressure issue.
>
> Guess what I need advice on is whether I should change the oil pump to a
> standard volume street type to run at a somewhat lower pressure?  If so...
> any
> recommendations on the oil pump brand & model number?
>
> Also: any suggestions regarding a specific type or brand of rear main seal?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Bill Waite
> Grand Rapids, MI
> B382100437
>
>
>
>
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From mark.rense at ge.com  Tue Jun 29 12:35:50 2010
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd))
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 14:35:50 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure & Rear Main Leak Question
In-Reply-To: <367096.26579.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <367096.26579.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A045115AE@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Bill, A high volume oil pump has the same relief spring and does not
make any more pressure than a standard pump, it just has the capability
to a higher volume of oil. That is why it doesn't drop much at idle. If
the rebuild was done correctly there is no need for one. Most
applications for high-volume pumps are for either racing or worn-out
engines, both cases because of the looser bearing clearances.

Your crank seals are not under direct oil pressure, only the air
pressure inside the oil pan. Since you are going to the trouble of
pulling the transmission, flywheel and pan, you might as well buy the
best seal. I have had good luck with the Fel-Pro Teflon seals, the part
number for the SBF is Z2941, they're about $40 vs. the $15 for a regular
one but will stay flexible longer and seal better. Just my two cents.

Bugz

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Waite
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 1:31 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure & Rear Main Leak Question

For a number of years (ever since day one with a newly rebuilt 302
roller cam motor), I've lived with a rear main oil leak.  Not bad enough
to demand fixing... but bothersome.  I've finally decided to fix it.

It's an '86 "RHO" (an early Ford crate engine... remanufactured 302 HO).
It has the one piece rear main seal, so I'll have to pull the trans to
get at it.

However, one concern I have is with the oil pressure.  When I got the
engine, I installed a Melling M-68HV high volume oil pump.  The pressure
has always been on the "high" side (at least I think it is high).  At
idle or higher RPM's, it stays at a more or less constant 60 to 65 lbs.


Is it possible that the leak is possibly a result of running more
pressure than I really need?  The PCV and breather are fine, so I don't
think it is a crankcase pressure issue.

Guess what I need advice on is whether I should change the oil pump to a
standard volume street type to run at a somewhat lower pressure?  If
so... any recommendations on the oil pump brand & model number?

Also: any suggestions regarding a specific type or brand of rear main
seal?

Thanks in advance.

Bill Waite
Grand Rapids, MI
B382100437

From v8tracker at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 13:11:09 2010
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 14:11:09 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure & Rear Main Leak Question
In-Reply-To: <367096.26579.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <367096.26579.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CD5E72100AD44110B53E6B73D61A9181@DellD4700>

Bill,

I have been advised not to use a high volume pump unless I have at least a
seven quart oil pan, with baffles, because of possible oil starvation in
hard cornering. Melling makes an M-68 standard volume pump which is in the
non-Tiger 302 I just built. 

For the rear main seal, I use Fel-Pro, but I am sure there are others just
as good. Just be sure it doesn't go in backwards and grease the seal lip and
the crankshaft before you install it. And a little sealer on the outside
circumference of the seal wouldn't hurt, either. 

I do agree, though, that you might want to first change the pump and see
what happens. You might get lucky with the existing rear main seal.

Good luck.

A. C. Tynes
New Orleans  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Waite
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 12:31 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure & Rear Main Leak Question
> 
> For a number of years (ever since day one with a newly 
> rebuilt 302 roller cam motor), I've lived with a rear main 
> oil leak.  Not bad enough to demand fixing... but bothersome. 
>  I've finally decided to fix it.
>  
> It's an '86 "RHO" (an early Ford crate engine... 
> remanufactured 302 HO).  It has the one piece rear main seal, 
> so I'll have to pull the trans to get at it.
>  
> However, one concern I have is with the oil pressure.  When I 
> got the engine, I installed a Melling M-68HV high volume oil 
> pump.  The pressure has always been on the "high" side (at 
> least I think it is high).  At idle or higher RPM's, it stays 
> at a more or less constant 60 to 65 lbs.  
>  
> Is it possible that the leak is possibly a result of running 
> more pressure than I really need?  The PCV and breather are 
> fine, so I don't think it is a crankcase pressure issue.
>  
> Guess what I need advice on is whether I should change the 
> oil pump to a standard volume street type to run at a 
> somewhat lower pressure?  If so... any recommendations on the 
> oil pump brand & model number?
>  
> Also: any suggestions regarding a specific type or brand of 
> rear main seal?
>  
> Thanks in advance.
>  
> Bill Waite
> Grand Rapids, MI
> B382100437
>  
>  
>  
>       
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Tue Jun 29 14:26:34 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 15:26:34 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure & Rear Main Leak Question
In-Reply-To: <367096.26579.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <367096.26579.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06840595AE38EC@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

When you have stuff apart so you can replace the seal, have a really close
look at the crank surface that the seal is riding against. If there is a
discernible groove in the crank where the seal lip has been riding on it, then
you will likely have problems with any replacement seal unless you get that
groove polished out (or, worst case, chromed and ground).

The only thing that will blow out seals is cylinder blowby pressure, if it's
not adequately vented by the PCV system (or a road draft tube, if you're a
Neanderthal ;) ) . An internal oil pump does not contribute to crankcase
pressure regardless of its pressure or volume capability.

Cheers,
Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Waite
> Sent: June 29, 2010 11:31 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure & Rear Main Leak Question
>
> For a number of years (ever since day one with a newly rebuilt 302
> roller cam
> motor), I've lived with a rear main oil leak.  Not bad enough to demand
> fixing... but bothersome.  I've finally decided to fix it.
>
> It's an '86 "RHO" (an early Ford crate engine... remanufactured 302
> HO).  It
> has the one piece rear main seal, so I'll have to pull the trans to get
> at
> it.
>


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From dave at munroe.ca  Tue Jun 29 18:06:34 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:06:34 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure & Rear Main Leak Question
Message-ID: <mailman.11.1277856384.911.tigers@autox.team.net>

Mark's comments are true to my experience.

When my stroker engine was built in '05 I had a high-volume Melling oil pump installed to protect my SCAT balanced rotating assembly and other high dollar parts.

But on start-up the pressure guage was only indicating 45psi cold and 20psi hot at idle.

8,000 miles and 5 years later, I had the engine removed and blueprinted to correct some other problems, and from advice on this list I had the hi-vo oil pump replaced with a Melling stock pump. On the dyno the engine was now indicating 70+psi on start-up and over 75 at redline.

The engine is now back in the car, and this morning on start-up on the in-dash guage it was reading........yes - 45psi. So there is obviously something wrong with the guage or something else in the oiling system.

For ex: on the dyno we did not hook up the remote filter system, but instead installed a large filter directly to the block.

I will first try by-passing the remote filter, and if there is no change, I will try another guage. Other than that, I am stumped.

BTW, on disassembly and dimemsion checking, the crank, rod and main bearings were well within "new" tolerance, and looked perfect. This after approx 8,000 miles of running on what I thought was low oil pressure.

I will appreciate any comments or observations...

Tks

Dave

.

From hallmotors at cox.net  Tue Jun 29 20:40:42 2010
From: hallmotors at cox.net (Hall Motors)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 21:40:42 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Booster Mounting Bracket
Message-ID: <00cf01cb17fd$a294b310$e7be1930$@net>

Hey Guys,

I have a strange need (don't laugh at me) - My brake booster failed and I
sent it off to California to be rebuilt with the mounting brackets attached.
The rebuilt booster was returned without the lower mounting bracket (the one
that bolts to the side of the booster cylinder with three bolts is the one I
need, while the band mount that goes around the vacuum canister was
returned).  I've been unable to get the bracket or a replacement back and am
more than tired of trying and waiting.  I'm wondering if anyone on the list
has an extra bracket (don't know why you would) they would sell me or knows
a source for one.  My car is an original survivor and thus my first choice
would be an original part, but I'd also consider one that's been fabricated
to the original design.  If this message bears no fruit, I may (or may not)
be able to get one off a car here (Wichita, KS) to have one fabricated.  Any
help or ideas will be appreciated.

 

Brad Hall

B382000609 LRXFE

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 30 00:41:32 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:41:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] rust removal
Message-ID: <913191.15424.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I know my age plays tricks on my memory but the fact is I cant remember the
method of removing rust from small parts or even larger than small.
A liquid is used and a battery charger-- now I dont recall the liquid or if
the positive or negative connects to the part and the where the other (+ or-)
clip connects or if it just lays in the unnamed liquid.
 
Your help in replenishing my memory will be appreciated and THANKS is sent
with the message.
May you celebrate the upcoming holiday an keep not only your fingers but the
kids that think they are part superman and th rest is faster than lightning.
Happy 4th to one and all.
TonytheTiger
 
 

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 30 00:47:22 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:47:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Bill Pass in Colorado
Message-ID: <565973.19162.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I need to contact Bill Pass and the email I have is no longer valid. he was at Suni BUT I didn't find out until afterward-- now a year later I am still needing to converse with Bill, so if anyone would let him know or send me an email off list w/ his number or email, I will again be indebted to the provider.
Cheers, TonytheTiger

From kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 30 05:33:33 2010
From: kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com (kevin beck)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 07:33:33 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] rust removal
In-Reply-To: <913191.15424.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <913191.15424.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilP5xYH0R9jpT9h07mi5LGRLcmDpuemz-S1LORW@mail.gmail.com>

Tony you must be referring to electrolysis I have always used baking soda or
powder mixed with water attaching the positive cable to a sacrificial rod
and the negative cable to the part to be cleaned. There are a number of
arcticles on the net if you search rust removal using electrolysis.

Kevin beck
65 MK1

On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 2:41 AM, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I know my age plays tricks on my memory but the fact is I cant remember the
> method of removing rust from small parts or even larger than small.
> A liquid is used and a battery charger-- now I dont recall the liquid or if
> the positive or negative connects to the part and the where the other (+
> or-)
> clip connects or if it just lays in the unnamed liquid.
>
> Your help in replenishing my memory will be appreciated and THANKS is sent
> with the message.
> May you celebrate the upcoming holiday an keep not only your fingers but
> the
> kids that think they are part superman and th rest is faster than
> lightning.
> Happy 4th to one and all.
> TonytheTiger
>
>
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From GRMTim at aol.com  Wed Jun 30 06:38:09 2010
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 08:38:09 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Barrett Jackson Orange County
Message-ID: <5c4c3.207ee440.395c94b1@aol.com>

Tigers, like most other cars, have fallen in value. Let's call it more of a 
correction to the hysteria of a few years ago, but they will quickly come 
back up. I drive a lot of cars and the Tiger is still one of my absolute 
favorites. The greatness to price quotient is still very low on a Tiger and more 
and more people will notice. If and when Carroll Shelby ever dies, anything 
attached to his name will go up in value. I have repeatedly turned down 
very good offers for mine.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723

From CoolVT at aol.com  Wed Jun 30 07:26:25 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 09:26:25 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] KipMotors
Message-ID: <53452.394e1e1.395ca001@aol.com>

Does anyone have a new address for the web site of Kip  Motors? Mine isn't 
working.
Mark

From Carmods at aol.com  Wed Jun 30 08:40:42 2010
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 10:40:42 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure & Rear Main Leak Question
Message-ID: <8e42d.56d04e30.395cb16a@aol.com>

It's very easy to measure crankcase pressure. Just use a sensitive  
pressure/vacuum gauge + - 30 psi. Insert the hose into into the  dipstick tube and 
seal it with duct tape. Use a long hose that will reach  the front seat and 
then go for a drive.
 
John Logan

From spook01 at comcast.net  Wed Jun 30 09:43:58 2010
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 10:43:58 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Clean_air?=
Message-ID: <20100630154252.BF663187B02@autox.team.net>

Hi all,
Are there air filter elements that will work for the tiger with a little "adjustment" to fit the housing??  If so, does anyone have part numbers??

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: GRMTim at aol.com
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 07:38
Subject: [Tigers] Barrett Jackson Orange County
To: 
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>


Tigers, like most other cars, have fallen in value. Let's call it more of a 
correction to the hysteria of a few years ago, but they will quickly come 
back up. I drive a lot of cars and the Tiger is still one of my absolute 
favorites. The greatness to price quotient is still very low on a Tiger and more 
and more people will notice. If and when Carroll Shelby ever dies, anything 
attached to his name will go up in value. I have repeatedly turned down 
very good offers for mine.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Wed Jun 30 10:09:08 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 11:09:08 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Clean air
In-Reply-To: <20100630154252.BF663187B02@autox.team.net>
References: <20100630154252.BF663187B02@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06840595AE3A2F@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

If you're okay with K&N filters, then there is the E-2859 (stock height), the
E-3710 (2" tall), and the E-3720 (2.75" tall).]
The 2859 is listed by K&N as a Tiger filter (4.3L V8 - this is a bit
misleading and makes it hard to find)
The dimensions on the 2859 are:Height, 1.5", Inner Diameter 11.75", Outer
Diameter 13.5".
The E-3710 and E-3720 have the same ID and OD measurements and can therefore
be used with the stock housing IF you have suitable hood clearance and a tall
enough filter hold-down stud.

I'm using the E-3710 with an F4B manifold, and a stock hood, but I don't have
engine spacers between the mounts and the block. Your mileage may vary. The
3710 fits perfectly in the housing. When new, the rubber top and bottom edges
of the filter are easy to form so it conforms to the filter housing.

The 3710 does not have an OEM-vehicle listing so it's not easy to
crossreference this filter back to other brands.

Theo


> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spook01 at comcast.net
> Sent: June 30, 2010 9:44 AM
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Clean air
>
> Hi all,
> Are there air filter elements that will work for the tiger with a
> little "adjustment" to fit the housing??  If so, does anyone have part
> numbers??
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone


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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 12:17:38 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Best Carburetor
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	<107012.16079.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C2B9852.3020308@socal.rr.com>

Sandy,

Thanks for the link.  Those are some of the best looking 4 BBL's I have 
seen.

/*http://www.dambest.com/

*/Now, I could probably buy a set, if I could convince the Pretty One 
that it would make a great base for a floral table display.  :-$  
/(foot-in-mouth)//*
*/
Steve

Steve Laifman

Editor

http://TigersUnited.com



Sandy Ganz wrote:
> I love the title of this chain..
>
> And the winner is... well you know the
> answer -
>
> Nothing that you get, open a box and dump on your car.
> Have recently used thesecrazy carbs from DamBest Carburetors

>  http://www.dambest.com/ 

> and while the
> price is crazy, it about what you would pay for a preped carb, and it's not a
> Holley ;)
>
> The most interesting part was taking to the guy at DamBest when
> ordering a carb and he asked me a lot of very detailed question about the
> engine, build cam specs and head flow, car, driving intentions, etc. Which was
> interesting that is was different then the generic 'what size motor does it
> have...'  It's still a black voodo art as far as I'm concern, and it does
> require a load of patience which I don't have anymore.  
>
> Fuel injection, ya,
> that's the answere ;)
>
> Sandy

From allfudge1635 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 30 16:02:18 2010
From: allfudge1635 at gmail.com (Al Fudge)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 15:02:18 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] test
Message-ID: <001301cb189f$e8883b60$b998b220$@com>

This is a test to determine if I can post a message (finally!)

From allfudge1635 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 30 16:42:26 2010
From: allfudge1635 at gmail.com (Al Fudge)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 15:42:26 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] The real reasons I wanted to post
Message-ID: <AANLkTimXOcY77EIFFhTuHWdX8IMAuSSNLVO-R87zv7oo@mail.gmail.com>

I have a couple of questions for the community. I am 99.5% done with
dissassembling my MK1.  It needs some rust repair and I am considering
having the shell soda blasted.  Any comments on the relative merits of soda
blasting over bead or sand blasting?  I want to strip the shell to bare
metal so I can determine the extent of the required repairs, and there will
be more than a few.

Also, what about rotisseries?  I have looked at the Auto twirler, but are
there any others to consider? I don't want to build one; I'd rather buy a
complete one.

Thanks,

Al
B9471635

From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 30 18:15:18 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 20:15:18 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] The real reasons I wanted to post
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimXOcY77EIFFhTuHWdX8IMAuSSNLVO-R87zv7oo@mail.gmail.com>
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Al,

I bead blasted mine. If I had it to do all over I think I'd have it dipped.
There were seams that weren't cleaned out enough. It may have been an
operator problem, but I suspect it's just the way bead blasting is.

I have an AutoTwirler rotisserie and I like it. We made custom Sunbeam
mounts that use the jack holes and bumper bolts. It worked really well
except when the body was finally straight they had to "adjust" the brackets.

Sadly the brackets are no more; they didn't make it back from the body shop.

Tom

Just for grins, where are you located? I'm in Georgia.


On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Al Fudge <allfudge1635 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a couple of questions for the community. I am 99.5% done with
> dissassembling my MK1.  It needs some rust repair and I am considering
> having the shell soda blasted.  Any comments on the relative merits of soda
> blasting over bead or sand blasting?  I want to strip the shell to bare
> metal so I can determine the extent of the required repairs, and there will
> be more than a few.
>
> Also, what about rotisseries?  I have looked at the Auto twirler, but are
> there any others to consider? I don't want to build one; I'd rather buy a
> complete one.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Al
> B9471635
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From srekate at pacifier.com  Wed Jun 30 18:57:15 2010
From: srekate at pacifier.com (Scott Rekate)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:57:15 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Kip Motors
Message-ID: <D20E4FF2-554F-4E17-99C9-BDA911AB6270@pacifier.com>

Mark,
This website for Kip Motors works for me.
http://www.kipmotor.com/Parts/Authentic_Reproductions.htm
Scott

From hallmotors at cox.net  Wed Jun 30 19:01:21 2010
From: hallmotors at cox.net (Hall Motors)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 20:01:21 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Booster Mounting Bracket
In-Reply-To: <00cf01cb17fd$a294b310$e7be1930$@net>
References: <00cf01cb17fd$a294b310$e7be1930$@net>
Message-ID: <007301cb18b8$ec45fd50$c4d1f7f0$@net>

To close the loop, thanks to all of you that responded with ideas and
knowledge.  I found a bracket and learned that there were two different
mounting styles for 5" boosters/servos and one for the 7"ers (all in less
than a day).

Best Regards,
Brad Hall

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Hall Motors
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 9:41 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Booster Mounting Bracket

Hey Guys,

I have a strange need (don't laugh at me) - My brake booster failed and I
sent it off to California to be rebuilt with the mounting brackets attached.
The rebuilt booster was returned without the lower mounting bracket (the one
that bolts to the side of the booster cylinder with three bolts is the one I
need, while the band mount that goes around the vacuum canister was
returned).  I've been unable to get the bracket or a replacement back and am
more than tired of trying and waiting.  I'm wondering if anyone on the list
has an extra bracket (don't know why you would) they would sell me or knows
a source for one.  My car is an original survivor and thus my first choice
would be an original part, but I'd also consider one that's been fabricated
to the original design.  If this message bears no fruit, I may (or may not)
be able to get one off a car here (Wichita, KS) to have one fabricated.  Any
help or ideas will be appreciated.

 

Brad Hall

B382000609 LRXFE
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Jun 30 19:59:40 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 21:59:40 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] The real reasons I wanted to post
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikrXZMVyEP302gsiqYBYTCNghZASdyaprBU0Dmm@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EFFAFCB8B8F34411A344DBB12012CC8E@ronpc1>

	IMO, the jack holes and bumper bolts are a poor choose to mount the
rotisserie.  This is mostly folded sheet metal and a small bolt holding the
car; this could fail.   The crossmember bolts or the engine mounting bolt
area is much stronger in front and the leaf spring bolts for the rear.

	I did not have my Tiger on a rotisserie so I hope those who have
will confirm these statements.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Tom Parker
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:15 PM
To: Al Fudge
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] The real reasons I wanted to post


Al,

I bead blasted mine. If I had it to do all over I think I'd have it dipped.
There were seams that weren't cleaned out enough. It may have been an
operator problem, but I suspect it's just the way bead blasting is.

I have an AutoTwirler rotisserie and I like it. We made custom Sunbeam
mounts that use the jack holes and bumper bolts. It worked really well
except when the body was finally straight they had to "adjust" the brackets.

Sadly the brackets are no more; they didn't make it back from the body shop.

Tom

Just for grins, where are you located? I'm in Georgia.


On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Al Fudge <allfudge1635 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a couple of questions for the community. I am 99.5% done with
> dissassembling my MK1.  It needs some rust repair and I am considering
> having the shell soda blasted.  Any comments on the relative merits of
> soda blasting over bead or sand blasting?  I want to strip the shell
> to bare metal so I can determine the extent of the required repairs,
> and there will be more than a few.
>
> Also, what about rotisseries?  I have looked at the Auto twirler, but
> are there any others to consider? I don't want to build one; I'd
> rather buy a complete one.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Al
> B9471635
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From spook01 at comcast.net  Wed Jun 30 20:22:31 2010
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 21:22:31 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?The_real_reasons_I_wanted_to_post?=
Message-ID: <20100701022126.43953187A85@autox.team.net>

The bumper bolts are a very dangerous way to hang these cars. Weld up a square tube front and rear subframe to carry the load. In the front I used the front four suspension bolts to hook up, and in the rear used the front and rear spring mounting. 
These areas carry the load normally, and it worked a treat for me. 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: " Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 20:59
Subject: [Tigers] The real reasons I wanted to post
To: "'Tom Parker'" <tkparker1941 at gmail.com>, "'Al Fudge'" <allfudge1635 at gmail.com>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>


	IMO, the jack holes and bumper bolts are a poor choose to mount the
rotisserie.  This is mostly folded sheet metal and a small bolt holding the
car; this could fail.   The crossmember bolts or the engine mounting bolt
area is much stronger in front and the leaf spring bolts for the rear.

	I did not have my Tiger on a rotisserie so I hope those who have
will confirm these statements.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Tom Parker
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:15 PM
To: Al Fudge
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] The real reasons I wanted to post


Al,

I bead blasted mine. If I had it to do all over I think I'd have it dipped.
There were seams that weren't cleaned out enough. It may have been an
operator problem, but I suspect it's just the way bead blasting is.

I have an AutoTwirler rotisserie and I like it. We made custom Sunbeam
mounts that use the jack holes and bumper bolts. It worked really well
except when the body was finally straight they had to "adjust" the brackets.

Sadly the brackets are no more; they didn't make it back from the body shop.

Tom

Just for grins, where are you located? I'm in Georgia.


On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Al Fudge <allfudge1635 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a couple of questions for the community. I am 99.5% done with
> dissassembling my MK1.  It needs some rust repair and I am considering
> having the shell soda blasted.  Any comments on the relative merits of
> soda blasting over bead or sand blasting?  I want to strip the shell
> to bare metal so I can determine the extent of the required repairs,
> and there will be more than a few.
>
> Also, what about rotisseries?  I have looked at the Auto twirler, but
> are there any others to consider? I don't want to build one; I'd
> rather buy a complete one.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Al
> B9471635
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From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 30 21:01:36 2010
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 23:01:36 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] The real reasons I wanted to post
References: <AANLkTimXOcY77EIFFhTuHWdX8IMAuSSNLVO-R87zv7oo@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5339773DF6854BAAB79BFBE30CB84770@PETERHOME>

its been a while since i researched this, but i think sand blasting an 
entire body will generate too much heat and start to distort panels, i think 
soda is safest, or get it dipped, but on dipping, gotta know an expert on 
post dipping cleaning to keep solvent from later dripping out of crevaces 
and ruining your new paint

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Al Fudge" <allfudge1635 at gmail.com>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 6:42 PM
Subject: [Tigers] The real reasons I wanted to post


>I have a couple of questions for the community. I am 99.5% done with
> dissassembling my MK1.  It needs some rust repair and I am considering
> having the shell soda blasted.  Any comments on the relative merits of 
> soda
> blasting over bead or sand blasting?  I want to strip the shell to bare
> metal so I can determine the extent of the required repairs, and there 
> will
> be more than a few.
>
> Also, what about rotisseries?  I have looked at the Auto twirler, but are
> there any others to consider? I don't want to build one; I'd rather buy a
> complete one.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Al
> B9471635
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From jeffers at mwt.net  Wed Jun 30 21:19:48 2010
From: jeffers at mwt.net (Jeffers)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 22:19:48 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] clean air
In-Reply-To: <mailman.23.1277920803.28919.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.23.1277920803.28919.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4C2C0954.7090702@mwt.net>

I have used a Hastings AF 111.  I think a Napa 2100 will also work.
Tom
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 10:43:58 -0500
> From: " spook01 at comcast.net " <spook01 at comcast.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] Clean air
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
> Message-ID: <20100630154252.BF663187B02 at autox.team.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi all,
> Are there air filter elements that will work for the tiger with a little "adjustment" to fit the housing??  If so, does anyone have part numbers??
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

From Robin02 at mindspring.com  Wed Jun 30 21:59:53 2010
From: Robin02 at mindspring.com (Robin Young)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 23:59:53 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] The real reasons I wanted to post
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimXOcY77EIFFhTuHWdX8IMAuSSNLVO-R87zv7oo@mail.gmail.com>
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Al,  if your car has undercoat, it is very hard to remove completely unless
you dip.  I used a ceramic bead blast on the body and still had to hand rub
the undercoat areas to remove it.  As to the rotisserie, I found that using
two engine stands and modifying them was a very cheap way to go.  Using the
jack holes in combination with the bumper bolt holes worked well. Robin
Young

From tkparker1941 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 30 22:35:26 2010
From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 00:35:26 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] The real reasons I wanted to post
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Ron,

The Alpine / Tiger jack will lift a wheel off the ground with the engine in
the car. (I have more faith in the mounts than the jack...)

It's over. The car spent 6 months on and off the rotisserie and body cart
during the rebuild. No engine or rear end, just the body shell. Same mounts.
No problems. If the jack is part of the same frame assembly as the cross
member it should be close to being as strong. The bolt is far from small,
1/2" UNF. Besides, how does one attach the rear; you need both to flip the
car.

I hesitate to disagree with someone who probably knows more than I do, so
I'll leave it this way: it worked for me. No guarantees that it'll work for
anyone else.

Tom

On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 9:59 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

>        IMO, the jack holes and bumper bolts are a poor choose to mount the
> rotisserie.  This is mostly folded sheet metal and a small bolt holding the
> car; this could fail.   The crossmember bolts or the engine mounting bolt
> area is much stronger in front and the leaf spring bolts for the rear.
>
>        I did not have my Tiger on a rotisserie so I hope those who have
> will confirm these statements.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Tom Parker
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:15 PM
> To: Al Fudge
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] The real reasons I wanted to post
>
>
> Al,
>
> I bead blasted mine. If I had it to do all over I think I'd have it dipped.
> There were seams that weren't cleaned out enough. It may have been an
> operator problem, but I suspect it's just the way bead blasting is.
>
> I have an AutoTwirler rotisserie and I like it. We made custom Sunbeam
> mounts that use the jack holes and bumper bolts. It worked really well
> except when the body was finally straight they had to "adjust" the
> brackets.
>
> Sadly the brackets are no more; they didn't make it back from the body
> shop.
>
> Tom
>
> Just for grins, where are you located? I'm in Georgia.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Al Fudge <allfudge1635 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I have a couple of questions for the community. I am 99.5% done with
> > dissassembling my MK1.  It needs some rust repair and I am considering
> > having the shell soda blasted.  Any comments on the relative merits of
> > soda blasting over bead or sand blasting?  I want to strip the shell
> > to bare metal so I can determine the extent of the required repairs,
> > and there will be more than a few.
> >
> > Also, what about rotisseries?  I have looked at the Auto twirler, but
> > are there any others to consider? I don't want to build one; I'd
> > rather buy a complete one.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Al
> > B9471635
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From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 27 21:49:36 2010
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 23:49:36 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 1965 Sunbeam Tiger for Sale - $23,500
Message-ID: <AF7722853DF34C66A285A61E44F4CFD5@PETERHOME>

hey guys, selling one of my tigers, the ad below is self explanatory, figured
id ping the list first, see if any lurkers are interested.  then might post it
to ebay in about a week or so.  let me know if any questions.  pls check out
the gallery pics, link below.  let me know if the link doesnt work for any
reason, and ill email you directly links to the pics.  i tried to price it
fairly and for a quick sale.



cheers

peter



_____________________________________________________________

1965 Sunbeam Tiger for Sale - Original Midnight Blue (Paint Code 58) / Light
Blue Interior / VIN B9471987 LRXFE - Priced For Quick Sale - Good Condition -
$23,500



I've owned this Tiger for 5 years.  In the 2005/2006 timeframe, the Tiger
"bug" got the best of me, and I did a bunch of homework/research, and I
purchased three Tigers within a few months.  My red one (primer black prior to
restoration) is now coming off a 4-year bare-metal restoration performed by
Doug Jennings at Tiger Auto.  That one will be a keeper for life.  My light
blue one is a great "10 footer" and since not restored, its fun to blast
around in without fear of stone chips, stray shopping carts, etc.  More
importantly, the wife (as well as myself) loves the color of it, so ill hang
onto it for a bit longer.  That brings me to the subject of this email/ad.
Given I feel like I need to downsize my growing collection of toys/interests,
especially in light of a soon-to-come addition to the family, my dark blue
Tiger (technically Midnight Blue code 58) will be put up for sale.  Each time
I bought a Tiger, I emailed Norm Miller (keeper of the registry) to make sure
he knew of the Tiger I was looking at.  I also compared everything I knew to
look for to my light blue Tiger which the prior owner had TAC'd.  So I can
represent the dark blue Tiger I am selling is a real Tiger.  Feel free to
check the registry or with Norm (sorry Norm, if you get a bunch of emails, Ill
have to make it up to you at the next Tiger event).



My time is pretty limited these days, but I can work with folks to schedule an
inspection on weekends, as needed.  I am motivated to get a sale done quickly
just to save time, and I can be a bit flexible, but I am not in financial
distress, so please don't bother with lowball offers, or any funky complicated
payment schemes (ie, no payment routed through a Nigerian bank, etc.).  Ill
need cash in hand or a wire transfer received by my bank before releasing the
car.  I have a clear title in had ready to sign over.  The car is located in a
small town about 10 miles from Newburgh, NY.  Its has been stored indoors
under cover, and has been driven probably every month in the warm months, and
never during my tenure taken outdoors in the winter or rain.



Now onto the Tiger itself.  I would describe this Tiger as in good/unrestored
condition, and has been repainted some time ago with a fair/ok quality paint
job (not excellent, and showing its age a bit).  The car looks great at 10
feet, and in my opinion the midnight blue with light blue interior is very
sharp (and I believe somewhat rare), and best I can tell (by paint code and by
looking at the color under the dash, and behind original stickers), both
colors are original.  Black convertible top in great shape.  The car runs
solid and everything works, though the right window crank stopped working, I
purchased a replacement winder mechanism, just have not had the time to
replace it.  I have driven it all around the backroads of upstate New York,
but that said, this is a 45 year old car, so id recommend having your own
mechanic go through all the systems and peform a safety check before hitting
the road for 1,000 miles to the next Tiger United event.  I can't see any rust
perforation on the exterior body of the car itself, though as is typical for a
Tiger, there is surface rust on the bottom of the car.  There is in the left
rear corner of the trunk a rust hole the size of a silver dollar that the
prior owner sealed with what I suspect is POR15 or the like.  That seems to
have stopped it and it doesn't seem to be spreading.  Not my choice of method
to repair, but that seems like the extent of it in the trunk.  Also, in the
category of "not my approach to repair", a prior owner reinforced the muffler
cutouts in X-section of the frame with thick steel, as these cutouts were
subject to rust.  That's most of the major warts I can think of.  I don't want
to waste your time or my time, so I'd rather have buyers have a clear and
accurate, if not conservative, description of the car.  On the positive side,
this Tiger can be used as-is for years to come, looks great, and drives well.
And when you are ready, can make a great restoration candidate down the road
(or sooner), given the great color combination.  The engine pulls strong and
hard, clutch works as it should, and tranny and steering works great.  Brakes
work fine, but a bit spongy, I'd have them checked out and bled to get to peak
performance.  Bottom line, this is a solid Tiger with a little bit of rust in
a few spots underneath, but surprisingly clean as unrestored Tigers go.  But
as always with old cars, I recommend seeing it or having someone inspect it, I
can describe it best I can, but everyone has their own perceptions of what
they see, so please review photos carefully and/or inspect it live.



Here is a link to a gallery of photos of the car:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v650/peter212/1965%20Sunbeam%20Tiger%20For%
20Sale%20-%20June%202010/



I'm new to posting galleries like this, so email me if you cant access the
gallery.  Please feel free to email me with any questions.  I work long hours,
so email (laurin212 at yahoo.com) is best for me to respond, but if you would
like to talk live, please leave me a message on my cel phone 917-626-2148.



Regards,

Peter Laurinaitis