From twotigers at verizon.net  Fri Jan  1 11:52:50 2010
From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:52:50 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Kool-Aid Tiger
Message-ID: <000901ca8b13$9e655140$2f01a8c0@smith>

Anybody seen this car running?

 http://www.krysdeansoftware.com/kool_aid.htm

From kentb at qualcomm.com  Fri Jan  1 12:53:20 2010
From: kentb at qualcomm.com (Baker, Kent)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:53:20 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] ID Tag versus Dipping/Stripping
Message-ID: <361AD790290A5C489B652911BA4180D3040EFA7CA1@NASANEXMB16.na.qualcomm.com>

I am in the process of caustic dipping and acid dipping my 66 MK1A.  The shop
needs to know if the ID plate and/or rivots holding it to the car are aluminum
or other soft metal.  We are concerned the rivots will be eaten by the acid
and drop the ID plate into the bottom of the bath (gone forever) or the plate
and rivots will both be devoured.  I am sure someone has addressed this issue
before - suggestions?

Kent Baker

From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  1 14:39:42 2010
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:39:42 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] ID Tag versus Dipping/Stripping
References: <361AD790290A5C489B652911BA4180D3040EFA7CA1@NASANEXMB16.na.qualcomm.com>
Message-ID: <8E718CDD182E4BD985B21B448FA56BF0@PETERHOME>

i recall tiger auto's doug jennings removed my id tags before dipping, if i 
recall correctly, he said they would be "eaten", i trust doug knows best 
after 40 yrs of doing this


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Baker, Kent" <kentb at qualcomm.com>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:53 PM
Subject: [Tigers] ID Tag versus Dipping/Stripping


>I am in the process of caustic dipping and acid dipping my 66 MK1A.  The 
>shop
> needs to know if the ID plate and/or rivots holding it to the car are 
> aluminum
> or other soft metal.  We are concerned the rivots will be eaten by the 
> acid
> and drop the ID plate into the bottom of the bath (gone forever) or the 
> plate
> and rivots will both be devoured.  I am sure someone has addressed this 
> issue
> before - suggestions?
>
> Kent Baker
> _______________________________________________

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  1 15:43:08 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 14:43:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] ID Tag versus Dipping/Stripping
In-Reply-To: <361AD790290A5C489B652911BA4180D3040EFA7CA1@NASANEXMB16.na.qualcomm.com>
Message-ID: <122061.41509.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Im told it eats both ALL GONE. Thats why many TACed Tigers have non original
rivets. Ive heard some people have orignal replacements but I have no idea if
thats true. If the car is orginally a Tiger the TAC team will approve it as an
orginal REAL Tiger with non orginal rivets on the paper that comes with the
sticker- I dont know what the TAC sticker says, I didnt look at it
 but I have to remove the dash before spring, so I will see what a TAC sticker
looks like up close and pesonal.
Happy New Year to ALL of my sick, as in addicted to Sunbeams, friends. May
2010 be the bestus of all the restus.
TonytheTiger wrote:



I am in the process of caustic dipping and acid dipping my 66 MK1A.  The shop
needs to know if the ID plate and/or rivots holding it to the car are
aluminum
or other soft metal.  We are concerned the rivots will be eaten by the acid
and drop the ID plate into the bottom of the bath (gone forever) or the plate
and rivots will both be devoured.  I am sure someone has addressed this issue
before - suggestions?

Kent Baker
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From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  1 16:05:56 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:05:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Kool-Aid Tiger
In-Reply-To: <000901ca8b13$9e655140$2f01a8c0@smith>
Message-ID: <881188.38635.qm@web111603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Why can't Team Tiger (Tom Patton) get sponsership
like that?  His is a GT2 Tiger that is really racing.
A grass roots operation, I know he would welcome
sponsers with deep pockets.
 
Dave

--- On Fri, 1/1/10, Kirk Smith <twotigers at verizon.net> wrote:


From: Kirk Smith <twotigers at verizon.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Kool-Aid Tiger
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 6:52 PM


Anybody seen this car running?

http://www.krysdeansoftware.com/kool_aid.htm
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From cmccann at lwpb.com  Sat Jan  2 10:11:10 2010
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 11:11:10 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] ID Tag versus Dipping/Stripping
In-Reply-To: <122061.41509.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <361AD790290A5C489B652911BA4180D3040EFA7CA1@NASANEXMB16.na.qualcomm.com>,
	<122061.41509.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BBDDC00D9@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

I agree with Tony, I considered the same issue when i started stripping my
tiger, and i was told by the stripping company that it definately would eat
the vin plate, rust, plastic, rubber...and everything else. There are no good
chemical dippers in oklahoma, and i  would have had to go to the dallas texas
area to find one. The chemicals are so hazardous and so caustic, the epa has
all but outlawed them in my state, from what i was told. I was so concerned
about the level of aggression  from  the dipping process that i chose to media
blast, and glad i did, it turned out fine. but, nevertheless, chemical dipping
might be the right choice for some.  But rest assured it will eat everthing on
the car that is not steel, period, and some say it will even WEAKEN the steel
by eating a little bit of that off the top as they say. on a side note, a few
mopars and gm's were "acid dipped" in the 60's from the factory or as COPO's
etc, to lighten the body for factory racing. it actually made the walls of the
sheet metal body thinner. im sure the process is completely different, but
nevertheless, the nature of chemical dipping can be quite aggressive and
shouldnt be taken lightly. My 2 cents.

i asked them if they could "block off" the  vin plate and somehow protect it,
because i still have my original rivets and now understand that its a plus if
you do...but they said they could not protect them. Rivets,Vin plate,
inspection plate, bacteria and everything else...gone forever.

cullen




Im told it eats both ALL GONE. Thats why many TACed Tigers have non original
rivets. Ive heard some people have orignal replacements but I have no idea if
thats true. If the car is orginally a Tiger the TAC team will approve it as
an
orginal REAL Tiger with non orginal rivets on the paper that comes with the
sticker- I dont know what the TAC sticker says, I didnt look at it
 but I have to remove the dash before spring, so I will see what a TAC
sticker
looks like up close and pesonal.
Happy New Year to ALL of my sick, as in addicted to Sunbeams, friends. May
2010 be the bestus of all the restus
TonytheTiger wrote:



I am in the process of caustic dipping and acid dipping my 66 MK1A.  The shop
needs to know if the ID plate and/or rivots holding it to the car are
aluminum
or other soft metal.  We are concerned the rivots will be eaten by the acid
and drop the ID plate into the bottom of the bath (gone forever) or the plate
and rivots will both be devoured.  I am sure someone has addressed this issue
before - suggestions?

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sat Jan  2 11:21:55 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 10:21:55 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] ID Tag versus Dipping/Stripping
References: <122061.41509.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <60C26F2C77F14778B796A51D5648C56C@student2>

Kent,
  My understanding is that most of the dip processes are caustic.  And, yes, 
that would eat your rivets and plate.  That said there has been a lot of 
talk regarding the original rivets on Tigers. I wouldn't place a dollar 
amount on it, but they are regarded as desirable.  Will your car pass a TAC 
inspection without them? Yes, - if it is a real Tiger.

 Not that I'm a golfer, but if you shot a hole in one and no one was there 
to see it, it creates skepticism. In a similar way the lack of original 
rivets can create an initial doubt to many people.  In the end, a real Tiger 
will still be a real Tiger, but original rivets at least  help to abate the 
question mark.

  Most guys won't tell you this, ... but... .  For good or bad typically 
when an unknown Tiger shows up a lot of other owners very stealthily observe 
the car for originality.  They softly murmur to each other the Tiger 
specific parts that are there.  Then they look at each other like, "yea, it 
probably is real," then go in search of someone qualified to confirm it. 
(OK, guys, don't hide in shame, a lot of us -myself included- do this.) It 
is sort of an unofficial "Pre-TAC" inspection.

So, if you can in any way retain the original rivets and plate I would 
encourage you to do so. Perhaps there is some coating that can be applied to 
protect the area???

Tom 

From bamcnulty at optonline.net  Sat Jan  2 14:21:34 2010
From: bamcnulty at optonline.net (Tony McNulty)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:21:34 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] ID Tag versus Dipping/Stripping
References: <122061.41509.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<60C26F2C77F14778B796A51D5648C56C@student2>
Message-ID: <71ABEAFA54C141358F1353510D0C2F42@your4dacd0ea75>

I'm fixing to have my Tiger media blasted -- the guy who's ramrodding the 
resto (former owner of two Tigers) suggested that we keep the original paint 
(BRG) on that part of the car where the prized rivets and plates reside --  
also, it keeps a nice flavor of originality -- plus, that paint never got 
much wear and tear and still looks pretty new.

Tony McNulty
Original Owner
B382001321



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Witt" <atwittsend at verizon.net>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] ID Tag versus Dipping/Stripping


> Kent,
>  My understanding is that most of the dip processes are caustic.  And, 
> yes, that would eat your rivets and plate.  That said there has been a lot 
> of talk regarding the original rivets on Tigers. I wouldn't place a dollar 
> amount on it, but they are regarded as desirable.  Will your car pass a 
> TAC inspection without them? Yes, - if it is a real Tiger.
>
> Not that I'm a golfer, but if you shot a hole in one and no one was there 
> to see it, it creates skepticism. In a similar way the lack of original 
> rivets can create an initial doubt to many people.  In the end, a real 
> Tiger will still be a real Tiger, but original rivets at least  help to 
> abate the question mark.
>
>  Most guys won't tell you this, ... but... .  For good or bad typically 
> when an unknown Tiger shows up a lot of other owners very stealthily 
> observe the car for originality.  They softly murmur to each other the 
> Tiger specific parts that are there.  Then they look at each other like, 
> "yea, it probably is real," then go in search of someone qualified to 
> confirm it. (OK, guys, don't hide in shame, a lot of us -myself included- 
> do this.) It is sort of an unofficial "Pre-TAC" inspection.
>
> So, if you can in any way retain the original rivets and plate I would 
> encourage you to do so. Perhaps there is some coating that can be applied 
> to protect the area???
>
> Tom _______________________________________________
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From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  2 16:47:23 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 15:47:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] ID Tag versus Dipping/Stripping
In-Reply-To: <71ABEAFA54C141358F1353510D0C2F42@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <563655.28934.qm@web111619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

A the last couple of United's there was a vendor selling the original
rivets ($2 each).  I bought 2 to replace the screws the PO put in
over 35 years ago.  All I need is the correct riveter to get the
proper dinmple.
 
Why not query the English and see about finding rivets for you.
Then you have the best of both worlds.
 
Dave

--- On Sat, 1/2/10, Tony McNulty <bamcnulty at optonline.net> wrote:


From: Tony McNulty <bamcnulty at optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] ID Tag versus Dipping/Stripping
To: "Thomas Witt" <atwittsend at verizon.net>, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 9:21 PM


I'm fixing to have my Tiger media blasted -- the guy who's ramrodding the
resto (former owner of two Tigers) suggested that we keep the original paint
(BRG) on that part of the car where the prized rivets and plates reside -- 
also, it keeps a nice flavor of originality -- plus, that paint never got much
wear and tear and still looks pretty new.

Tony McNulty
Original Owner
B382001321



----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Witt" <atwittsend at verizon.net>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] ID Tag versus Dipping/Stripping


> Kent,
>  My understanding is that most of the dip processes are caustic.  And, yes,
that would eat your rivets and plate.  That said there has been a lot of talk
regarding the original rivets on Tigers. I wouldn't place a dollar amount on
it, but they are regarded as desirable.  Will your car pass a TAC inspection
without them? Yes, - if it is a real Tiger.
>
> Not that I'm a golfer, but if you shot a hole in one and no one was there to
see it, it creates skepticism. In a similar way the lack of original rivets
can create an initial doubt to many people.  In the end, a real Tiger will
still be a real Tiger, but original rivets at least  help to abate the
question mark.
>
>  Most guys won't tell you this, ... but... .  For good or bad typically when
an unknown Tiger shows up a lot of other owners very stealthily observe the
car for originality.  They softly murmur to each other the Tiger specific
parts that are there.  Then they look at each other like, "yea, it probably is
real," then go in search of someone qualified to confirm it.. (OK, guys, don't
hide in shame, a lot of us -myself included- do this.) It is sort of an
unofficial "Pre-TAC" inspection.
>
> So, if you can in any way retain the original rivets and plate I would
encourage you to do so. Perhaps there is some coating that can be applied to
protect the area???
>
> Tom _______________________________________________
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From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Sat Jan  2 20:54:57 2010
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:54:57 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] ID Tag versus Dipping/Stripping
Message-ID: <4B401511.3000501@roadrunner.com>

I would agree with Cullen that it is better to use media blasting rather 
than dipping, so long as you don't have a lot of rust to contend with in 
the structure of the car.  The tags are aluminum and probably will be 
devoured by any kind of dipping process.  With media blasting, you can 
mask off the tag and protect it, therefore avoiding its removal.  The 
JAL number tag is just held on with sheet metal screws, so that can be 
removed without any concern.  In any case, it would be wise to 
photograph the car before and after to provide a detailed record of what 
was done and how for future reference.

Cheers,

Tod B382002384LRXFE
In snowy Maine

From mwood24020 at aol.com  Sat Jan  2 22:58:43 2010
From: mwood24020 at aol.com (mwood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 00:58:43 EST
Subject: [Tigers] ID Tag versus Dipping/Stripping
Message-ID: <ed36.3874e15.38718c13@aol.com>

Regardless as to my personal feelings concerning rivets, which have  been 
Tiger listed to death many times,  I went with media blasting. I  couldn't 
find a chemical stripping facility that I was confident would really  complete 
the process and the last thing I want to deal with is residual acidity  
leaching through an expensive paint job. 
 
Mike
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/2/2010 9:42:18 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
todbrown at roadrunner.com writes:
 
I would  agree with Cullen that it is better to use media blasting rather 
than  dipping, so long as you don't have a lot of rust to contend with in 
the  structure of the car.  The tags are aluminum and probably will be  
devoured by any kind of dipping process.  With media blasting, you  can 
mask off the tag and protect it, therefore avoiding its removal.   The 
JAL number tag is just held on with sheet metal screws, so that can be  
removed without any concern.  In any case, it would be wise to  
photograph the car before and after to provide a detailed record of what  
was done and how for future reference.

Cheers,

Tod  B382002384LRXFE
In snowy  Maine
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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Mon Jan  4 16:38:00 2010
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:38:00 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Pawn Stars
Message-ID: <4B427BD8.9040106@SoCal.rr.com>

I wonder if you ever watch the fun "Pawn Stars"  (NOT Porn Stars)  about 
a Pawn Shop in Las Vegas run be a man, his father, his son, and a dumb 
and dumber employee.

People come in to sell or pawn the strangest things.  Yesterday's Show 
included a Tow Truck operator that brings a car shell on his truck. If 
he tows the vehicle, and sends the know owner a written notice, and 
there is no reply after (I think) 1 week - it's his!!!! 

It appeared to be a Shelby body, all aluminum - not fiberglass - and 
frame/suspension.  All look new and never built any further into a car.  
He accepted a $5,000 offer, after a Shelby repair shop found the "CSX-   
" stamped into the frame.  (They hid all the other numbers but the "X".)

They had him rebuild it to original specs, 427 CID and all.  It even had 
the knock-off spindles they put the Shelby wheels on.  Painted the Blue 
with white if was sure nice.  They opted for high quality synthetic, 
rather than leather seats - and it had the "Shelby" Signature.

Shelby may have acknowledge the authenticity, but I know he'll sign 
anything for a donation to his supported charity.  I know, because I 
have a signed "T" shirt.  I just stopped by the Woodley Park car show, 
but didn't have my Tiger with me. 

I suspect that this shell "fell of a truck" from the L.A. P.O.E. from 
it's birthplace at AC cars in England, where they build the chassis and 
body, and never got to the Shelby factory at the LAX airport property.

Wow.  A Brand new Cobra, complete with all Shelby or OEM sourced parts 
for about $30,000.  They will sell it, and probably have lots of offers 
by now.  But, if your in Vegas - take a look.

Steve

-- 
___
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<http://www.TigersUnited.com>

From prbreuhan at hotmail.com  Mon Jan  4 20:04:09 2010
From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:04:09 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Pawn Stars
In-Reply-To: <4B427BD8.9040106@SoCal.rr.com>
References: <4B427BD8.9040106@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <SNT111-W33902EFD6B43530531960AA730@phx.gbl>

I missed the very beginning of that part of the show but...
The Guy who brought it to the "Pawn Stars" claims to have towed it away for
free.
The Cobra Expert/Restorer said it was a Shelby and worth $60K as is.
The Pawn Stars and the Guy settled on $30K for the shell/suspension.
The Stars then put $80K into it saving $20K by putting in vinyl seats and
carburetion verses leather and fuel injection (yeah right).
That's $110K and the car is supposedly worth $159K according to Mr. Cobra
Restorer.
Personally, I think the whole thing was a set up for publicity...I don't
believe much in reality tv.
The best best part was the Old Man burning up the track at 25-30 mph.
Paul

---------------

> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 15:38:00 -0800
> From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Pawn Stars
>
> I wonder if you ever watch the fun "Pawn Stars"  (NOT Porn Stars)  about
> a Pawn Shop in Las Vegas run be a man, his father, his son, and a dumb
> and dumber employee.
>
> People come in to sell or pawn the strangest things.  Yesterday's Show
> included a Tow Truck operator that brings a car shell on his truck. If
> he tows the vehicle, and sends the know owner a written notice, and
> there is no reply after (I think) 1 week - it's his!!!!
>
> It appeared to be a Shelby body, all aluminum - not fiberglass - and
> frame/suspension.  All look new and never built any further into a car.
> He accepted a $5,000 offer, after a Shelby repair shop found the "CSX-
> " stamped into the frame.  (They hid all the other numbers but the "X".)
>
> They had him rebuild it to original specs, 427 CID and all.  It even had
> the knock-off spindles they put the Shelby wheels on.  Painted the Blue
> with white if was sure nice.  They opted for high quality synthetic,
> rather than leather seats - and it had the "Shelby" Signature.
>
> Shelby may have acknowledge the authenticity, but I know he'll sign
> anything for a donation to his supported charity.  I know, because I
> have a signed "T" shirt.  I just stopped by the Woodley Park car show,
> but didn't have my Tiger with me.
>
> I suspect that this shell "fell of a truck" from the L.A. P.O.E. from
> it's birthplace at AC cars in England, where they build the chassis and
> body, and never got to the Shelby factory at the LAX airport property.
>
> Wow.  A Brand new Cobra, complete with all Shelby or OEM sourced parts
> for about $30,000.  They will sell it, and probably have lots of offers
> by now.  But, if your in Vegas - take a look.
>
> Steve


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From jteepen at usatoday.com  Mon Jan  4 21:20:10 2010
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 23:20:10 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Pawn Stars
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W33902EFD6B43530531960AA730@phx.gbl>
References: <4B427BD8.9040106@SoCal.rr.com>
	<SNT111-W33902EFD6B43530531960AA730@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E155441D954447@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>

I agree about the show being bogus.  I have only seen the commercials and that
is enough for me.  They probably bought the shell from Shelby American (in Las
Vegas) and created the entire situation.  Judging only by the commercials, I
do not believe the facts get in the way on this show.  And, in this case, who
gets the free publicity?  Shelby American.  Hype, hype, hype.

I hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas and Happy New Year!

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Paul R. Breuhan
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 7:04 PM
To: Steve Laifman; Tigers Den
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pawn Stars

I missed the very beginning of that part of the show but...
The Guy who brought it to the "Pawn Stars" claims to have towed it away for
free.
The Cobra Expert/Restorer said it was a Shelby and worth $60K as is.
The Pawn Stars and the Guy settled on $30K for the shell/suspension.
The Stars then put $80K into it saving $20K by putting in vinyl seats and
carburetion verses leather and fuel injection (yeah right).
That's $110K and the car is supposedly worth $159K according to Mr. Cobra
Restorer.
Personally, I think the whole thing was a set up for publicity...I don't
believe much in reality tv.
The best best part was the Old Man burning up the track at 25-30 mph.
Paul

---------------

> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 15:38:00 -0800
> From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Pawn Stars
>
> I wonder if you ever watch the fun "Pawn Stars"  (NOT Porn Stars)  about
> a Pawn Shop in Las Vegas run be a man, his father, his son, and a dumb
> and dumber employee.
>
> People come in to sell or pawn the strangest things.  Yesterday's Show
> included a Tow Truck operator that brings a car shell on his truck. If
> he tows the vehicle, and sends the know owner a written notice, and
> there is no reply after (I think) 1 week - it's his!!!!
>
> It appeared to be a Shelby body, all aluminum - not fiberglass - and
> frame/suspension.  All look new and never built any further into a car.
> He accepted a $5,000 offer, after a Shelby repair shop found the "CSX-
> " stamped into the frame.  (They hid all the other numbers but the "X".)
>
> They had him rebuild it to original specs, 427 CID and all.  It even had
> the knock-off spindles they put the Shelby wheels on.  Painted the Blue
> with white if was sure nice.  They opted for high quality synthetic,
> rather than leather seats - and it had the "Shelby" Signature.
>
> Shelby may have acknowledge the authenticity, but I know he'll sign
> anything for a donation to his supported charity.  I know, because I
> have a signed "T" shirt.  I just stopped by the Woodley Park car show,
> but didn't have my Tiger with me.
>
> I suspect that this shell "fell of a truck" from the L.A. P.O.E. from
> it's birthplace at AC cars in England, where they build the chassis and
> body, and never got to the Shelby factory at the LAX airport property.
>
> Wow.  A Brand new Cobra, complete with all Shelby or OEM sourced parts
> for about $30,000.  They will sell it, and probably have lots of offers
> by now.  But, if your in Vegas - take a look.
>
> Steve

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Tue Jan  5 09:33:47 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 08:33:47 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Pawn Stars
References: <4B427BD8.9040106@SoCal.rr.com>
	<SNT111-W33902EFD6B43530531960AA730@phx.gbl>
	<E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E155441D954447@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
Message-ID: <F976294DF07F4E69834831ED939C4E1F@student2>

>>>I agree about the show being bogus.<<<
 >>>Personally, I think the whole thing was a set up for publicity...I don't 
believe much in reality TV.<<<

 Yes, then the eventual buyer fails to make the payments and...  that car 
then shows up hanging from a tow hook on the equally distorted reality show 
"Operation Repo."  Then 10 years later it sits neglected in a yard and winds 
up on "Over Haul-In."  20 years later with a reality TV history the car 
shows up on a retrospective segment of "Hot Rod TV."  Sadly the cars 
ultimate end is prophesized into the future on the show "Life After People."

The thing that gets me about items on Pawn Stars is how quickly the seller 
agrees to about half the items value.  I mean are they too lazy
, too "got to have it NOW" that they can't hang it on Ebay for 7 days and 
get significantly more???

Tom 

From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Tue Jan  5 13:34:04 2010
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 15:34:04 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Pawn Stars
In-Reply-To: <F976294DF07F4E69834831ED939C4E1F@student2>
Message-ID: <20100105203404.LYDB8.12714.root@cdptpa-web06-z02>

"The thing that gets me about items on Pawn Stars is how quickly the seller 
agrees to about half the items value.  I mean are they too lazy 
, too "got to have it NOW" that they can't hang it on Ebay for 7 days and 
get significantly more??? 
 
Tom"

I think people that pawn are usually jonesing pretty bad for some substance.
They also mostly don't have computers or internet service or any sort of
credit or references or ability to deal with PayPal.

There is no such thing as "reality TV" it is as scripted and edited
as anything else. It just employs non union personel and very very
bad actors.

I watched most of one episode on a reccomendation that it
was like a trailer trash Antique Road Show. It wasn't, it was just trash.

Steve
B9473720

From John.Dillman at PUBLICANS.com  Tue Jan  5 13:36:29 2010
From: John.Dillman at PUBLICANS.com (John Dillman)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:36:29 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Pawn Stars
Message-ID: <BE9A6B7946F78D4E8731D948F4A146E612AB887C@exchhou02.Publicans.com>

I watched that program with interest, too.  Having built a Kirkham Cobra
(and Shelby at least at one time was using Kirkham rollers and turning
them into Shelbys . .. ) and looked at a bunch of the real things . .. I
found the whole thing a little funny.  They were very careful what they
called the car . ..  a real 1965 or whatever Cobra, but in the Shelby
work that apparently doesn't mean it has any age . . . And the
suspension parts were definitely not the original configuration and
finish.  My guess it that it was a never finished "continuation" body. A
really neat toy (that I would have built differently) but not the real
deal, at least not to me . . . My thinking when I saw the show was that,
had it been an original 45 year old body . . .. they would have built
the car as an original Cobra in every way, and instead it turned out
like a continuation car.  Again, a nice toy, but not a piece of history.



John Dillman

From CoolVT at aol.com  Tue Jan  5 19:21:11 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 21:21:11 EST
Subject: [Tigers] 302 c.i.
Message-ID: <c74.64cb323d.38754d97@aol.com>

A new 302 for your tiger.
_http://autos.aol.com/article/2011-ford-mustang-gt_ 
(http://autos.aol.com/article/2011-ford-mustang-gt) 

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Jan  5 23:42:08 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:42:08 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] 302 c.i.
In-Reply-To: <c74.64cb323d.38754d97@aol.com>
References: <c74.64cb323d.38754d97@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B4430C0.2080108@mayfco.com>

Only if you want to cut up your Tiger  to fit it in. That is not a 
windsor based 302, lol.  It is bigger than an an old hemi or maybe an 
old 427 cammer... they are really big..wide   and deep.   
mayf

CoolVT at aol.com wrote:

>A new 302 for your tiger.
>_http://autos.aol.com/article/2011-ford-mustang-gt_ 
>(http://autos.aol.com/article/2011-ford-mustang-gt) 

From cmccann at lwpb.com  Wed Jan  6 12:18:50 2010
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:18:50 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] tiger for sale in the dallas area
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BBDEAE872@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

Good afternoon friends,
Here is a craigslist ad for a Tiger for sale in the dallas area, thought I
would pass it along. if you go to craigslist and search it there are a few
pics.
For the owner, if you happen to be listening on the list, I think you're
priced too high based off the pictures. Just my opinion, although a midnight
blue car would be nice..


Sunbeam Tiger Mark IVA 1966 - Restored Shelby - $25000 (Dallas)
________________________________
Date: 2009-12-13, 4:07PM CST
Reply to:
sale-2vnkj-1508541442 at craigslist.org<mailto:sale-2vnkj-1508541442 at craigslist.
org?subject=Sunbeam%20Tiger%20Mark%20IVA%201966%20-%20Restored%20Shelby%20-%2
0%2425000%20(Dallas)&body=%0A%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fdallas.craigslist.org%2Fdal%2Fct
o%2F1508541442.html%0A> [Errors when replying to
ads?<http://www.craigslist.org/about/help/replying_to_posts>]
________________________________
This is one rare car that might be one of the best auto investments out there.
For those not familiar with Sunbeam Tigers they were the second creation by
Caroll Shelby after / simulaneos to the AC Cobra. In many respects the same
vehicle as a small block v8 Cobra... British sports car shell with Ford
engine, drive train and Shelby engineering and assembly in the US>

This car is an authentic Tiger know by the Tiger Registry. All original in
good working order ready for final paint and some interior refresh. We at
SelectClassics could finish this car in a few weeks to your specs or will
build to our spec in January. This is your opportunity for a great investment,
you can customize, you can buy with equity and let us deal with the final
finish out.

A two owner 1966 Mark IV A Sunbeam Tiger in Midnight Blue
- Complete stripped to bare metal
- All body work done, blocked primed
- Primed in Dupont Expoxy primer ready for final paint
- Original 260V8 engine redone runs great
- New clutch
- 4 speed works great
- A rust free car... minor surface rust removed while doing body work
- All parts are available with car (bumpers, hard top, soft top, etc.)
- Roll bar installed
- Lucas Fog lights
- Gas tanks completely redone
- new fuel lines, pump
- All new brakes
- All new clutch master cylinder etc.
- New wood dash to be installed
- Runs great read for final paint and finish out

At SelectClassics we specialize in Boss Mustang clones, hi-performance BMW's
and a few other vehicles. This Sunbeam Tiger has been with us for a bit over
one year and has been updated nicely less final paint and final interior
finishout. We are torn on a stock look vs. some upgraded restomod looks so
though we would finish out to you the customer specs

Price is for car ASIS but we will do paint, interior and other finish out work
at basically our cost.

From twojohnsons at cox.net  Wed Jan  6 13:52:33 2010
From: twojohnsons at cox.net (Alvin Johnson)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:52:33 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] tiger for sale in the dallas area
References: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BBDEAE872@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>
Message-ID: <147B888BEC9D4B2BAAA6D45CDD43877A@3bfd27b5ca44402>

He's not really selling "Tiger"---he's selling the Shelby mystique.



> For the owner, if you happen to be listening on the list, I think you're
> priced too high based off the pictures. 

From cmccann at lwpb.com  Wed Jan  6 13:54:09 2010
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:54:09 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] tiger for sale in the dallas area
In-Reply-To: <147B888BEC9D4B2BAAA6D45CDD43877A@3bfd27b5ca44402>
References: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BBDEAE872@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>
	<147B888BEC9D4B2BAAA6D45CDD43877A@3bfd27b5ca44402>
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BBDEAE930@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

Seems to be the common thread behind pitching Tigers to the general public. I
guess he probably doesn't think it would carry that much weight to say
"prototyped by the Legendary Ken Miles"....

people would go....HUH?









He's not really selling "Tiger"---he's selling the Shelby mystique.



> For the owner, if you happen to be listening on the list, I think you're
> priced too high based off the pictures.

From cmccann at lwpb.com  Wed Jan  6 14:39:39 2010
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:39:39 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] more tigers for sale?
In-Reply-To: <147B888BEC9D4B2BAAA6D45CDD43877A@3bfd27b5ca44402>
References: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BBDEAE872@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>
	<147B888BEC9D4B2BAAA6D45CDD43877A@3bfd27b5ca44402>
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BBDEAE96F@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

well I was just browsing...dont know if these cars are still available, but
the ads are still out there for viewing....im sure most of you have already
seen these ads or are familiar with these cars...but...it was quiet today and
I missed your banter...

Cullen




now this is a clean, clean looking car...also found on craigslist in San
Francisco area...

Sunbeam Tiger 1966 V8 - $19990 (Dauphin Island)
1966 SUNBEAM TIGER FOR SALE
Mark 1A B382000475LRXFE



Also - near Chico California:
Sunbeam Tiger - $12500 (Paradise)
For sale B9470991 Needs complete restoration. Many new parts and body work
started. Engine rebuilt by past owner. Posi rearend, short shifter, Mags. Real
Tiger Will trade for 67 Mustang Coupe plus cash.



near Reno NV
Sunbeam Tiger - $8500 (Oroville)
1964 sunbeam Tiger ( a real one ) Very good Body no major hits . never any
clips , most body work done , orig floors . orig paint in trunk engine bay ,
door jams. 289 motor apart - top loader trans 4 sp. 209-598-4019

From jaars at emailmv.com  Wed Jan  6 17:09:15 2010
From: jaars at emailmv.com (Robert Jaarsma)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:09:15 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Chrome Valve Covers
In-Reply-To: <mailman.13.1262286003.5712.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <FBC02B1A3FB64F1ABBD6B20BEE8BA1EC@userqlmt4f4s6s>

Has anybody bought these valve covers? Are they really high quality and
just like originals? The price of $62.95/pair, is certainly attractive
and less then having a set rechromed.

"PN#: 4533  Another classic valve cover by Scott Drake. High quality
chrome and improved fit. Will look great on any small block Ford
engine."
http://www.restoremustangs.com/Chrome-Valve-Covers-1120.html?search_mode
l=0&search_year=0&search_text=valve+cover&search_group=1 

Thanks,
Robert Jaarsma

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Wed Jan  6 19:45:15 2010
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:45:15 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment
In-Reply-To: <961259941.389351259712969431.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <961259941.389351259712969431.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4B454ABB.30307@SoCal.rr.com>

Ray,

I had to refill my tank, getting low after my trip to Big Bear for the 
T.U.  This is about 5,000 feet, I believe.

The local Big Bear gas station I found was "Valerio" (sp?) and the car 
would barely run after the fill.  It may not be diluted with alcohol, 
but the car wouldn't run for beans until I refilled with Shell.  But, 
they were cheaper than others.

I have steadfastly refused to use their stuff again.

Steve

___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



spook01 at comcast.net wrote:
> just found out that valero sells gasoline here in tn. as well.B  i intend to
> fill up with their fuel and see if and how much of an increase in mileage i
> obtain.
>
> ray

From awtiger at cox.net  Wed Jan  6 22:09:07 2010
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 23:09:07 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment
In-Reply-To: <4B454ABB.30307@SoCal.rr.com>
References: <961259941.389351259712969431.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
	<4B454ABB.30307@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <F58CA0471A0D4CB4AC6587E6670A0BA7@awtigerPC>

Hmmm...I use Valero fuels religiously because it's pure gas with no alcohol 
additives.  We run it in my wife's Isuzu, my Ford Focus and the Tiger.  The 
only car in our stable that doesn't get Valero fuel is my vintage 
racing-prepped Alpine, which lives on a diet of 110 octane racing fuel. 
I've had no problems whatsoever with Valero fuels here in Oklahoma. 
Perhaps, Steve, your problem had more to do with altitude than fuel quality.

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740)
B9006857LRX

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Laifman" <SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com>
To: <spook01 at comcast.net>
Cc: <awtiger at cox.net>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment


> Ray,
>
> I had to refill my tank, getting low after my trip to Big Bear for the 
> T.U.  This is about 5,000 feet, I believe.
>
> The local Big Bear gas station I found was "Valerio" (sp?) and the car 
> would barely run after the fill.  It may not be diluted with alcohol, but 
> the car wouldn't run for beans until I refilled with Shell.  But, they 
> were cheaper than others.
>
> I have steadfastly refused to use their stuff again.
>
> Steve
>
> ___
> Steve Laifman
> Editor - TigersUnited.com
> <http://www.TigersUnited.com>
>
>
>
> spook01 at comcast.net wrote:
>> just found out that valero sells gasoline here in tn. as well.B  i intend 
>> to
>> fill up with their fuel and see if and how much of an increase in mileage 
>> i
>> obtain.
>>
>> ray

From sganz at pacbell.net  Wed Jan  6 23:12:40 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:12:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Chrome Valve Covers
In-Reply-To: <FBC02B1A3FB64F1ABBD6B20BEE8BA1EC@userqlmt4f4s6s>
References: <FBC02B1A3FB64F1ABBD6B20BEE8BA1EC@userqlmt4f4s6s>
Message-ID: <60892.59696.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Robert 

I have a set of them that I picked up at a mustang parts shop and
they look ok. Not the thickest material, maybe what it was back in the day.
They are available at every mustang parts place for various prices. One thing
that you might have issues with is roller rockers, but not sure. they would
not fit over the shaft rockers I have on the new tiger motor without 2 gaskets
stacked. I also had to remove the breather vents and baffle to clear the
shafts but not sure if they would hit on roller rockers (Others might
comment). I think they look better then the aluminum ones IMO.

Sandy


 
----- Original Message ----
From: Robert Jaarsma <jaars at emailmv.com>
To:
tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 4:09:15 PM
Subject: [Tigers]
Chrome Valve Covers

Has anybody bought these valve covers? Are they really
high quality and
just like originals? The price of $62.95/pair, is certainly
attractive
and less then having a set rechromed.

"PN#: 4533  Another classic
valve cover by Scott Drake. High quality
chrome and improved fit. Will look
great on any small block Ford
engine."
http://www.restoremustangs.com/Chrome-Valve-Covers-1120.html?search_mode
l=0&search_year=0&search_text=valve+cover&search_group=1 

Thanks,
Robert
Jaarsma
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From onegonefish at comcast.net  Thu Jan  7 06:44:55 2010
From: onegonefish at comcast.net (Gary Fish)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 08:44:55 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Hotrod magazine
Message-ID: <20100107134616.03FEE18766A@autox.team.net>

The February issue of Hotrod magazine has an interesting picture of a full
race Tiger at a diner. Anyone familiar with the car?  Also the magazine has
an article coming in next month's edition on a FE powered Tiger. Knowing the
magazine it will be an interesting article.

 

G. Fish

66, #1265

From jd.sencindiver at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 07:08:12 2010
From: jd.sencindiver at gmail.com (jd.sencindiver at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:08:12 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment
In-Reply-To: <F58CA0471A0D4CB4AC6587E6670A0BA7@awtigerPC>
Message-ID: <000e0cd6b21200f394047c939a69@google.com>

I've used Valero gas here in Virginia with no issues in any of my vehicles:  
67 Tiger, 99 Tacoma 4WD, 2004 Grand Prix GTP, and 2009 Pontiac G8 GT. My  
wife uses Valero gas in her 2006 BMW 325i, 1983 Firebird, and 1973 Mercedes  
450SL without any problems. Maybe Steve just got a bad batch of gas from  
that station!

Jim Sencindiver
B382100451/TAC 448
http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp


On Jan 7, 2010 12:09am, awtiger <awtiger at cox.net> wrote:
> Hmmm...I use Valero fuels religiously because it's pure gas with no  
> alcohol additives. We run it in my wife's Isuzu, my Ford Focus and the  
> Tiger. The only car in our stable that doesn't get Valero fuel is my  
> vintage racing-prepped Alpine, which lives on a diet of 110 octane racing  
> fuel. I've had no problems whatsoever with Valero fuels here in Oklahoma.  
> Perhaps, Steve, your problem had more to do with altitude than fuel  
> quality.





> Andy Walker


> Edmond, OK


> B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740)


> B9006857LRX

From fhsloth13 at aol.com  Thu Jan  7 08:48:41 2010
From: fhsloth13 at aol.com (fhsloth13 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 10:48:41 EST
Subject: [Tigers] More Joy From Our Gov'ment
Message-ID: <2bdd.3d0eacbb.38775c59@aol.com>

Sounds like a bad batch, or maybe water in the fuel. What was the  
temperature the day you filled up? Maybe there was condensate in the delivery  truck 
or the underground fuel tanks.
 
Fred Baum
No problems with Valero fuel in 2 Mazdas and 2-Tigers

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan  7 08:57:02 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 07:57:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Jive Talkn' Pawn Stars
Message-ID: <108937.85339.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

"I think people that pawn are usually jonesing pretty bad for some
substance."
 
 
 What it be, bro?  I gots' some hard time dig itin' whut ya' are sayin'. 
Are ya' sayin' dese sucka's are broke and need bre'd?  Or, are dey too dumb
t'know about Ebay?   Maybe dey are plum dumb and duzn't know de value uh whut
dey gots'.   Some sucka's, ah' guess are plum clueless and despuh'te. What it
is, Mama!   Dey probably need some educashun.
 
 
                                                   See ya' lata' homey.
 
                                                      Jive Jeff
                                            

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Thu Jan  7 10:24:57 2010
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 12:24:57 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] tiger for sale in the dallas area
Message-ID: <4B4618E9.5060205@roadrunner.com>

This is certainly a rare Tiger and, perhaps, unique, being that it is a 
Mk IV A!  I've never seen anything past a Mk II.  You never know where 
stimulus money will turn up!

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Jan  7 11:00:00 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:00:00 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Hotrod magazine
In-Reply-To: <20100107134616.03FEE18766A@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <2B4E27CDAF544702B190F84BADDD591F@ronpc1>

Gary
	I have seen pictures of that Tiger several times but I can't find a
reference to it right now.
It is a high dollar Tiger.  I believe those are LED headlights.  I looked
them up and they are either $600 each or for the pair; I don't recall
exactly.

	To put a 427 into a Tiger requires cutting inner wheel wells and
frame; replace with tube steel.  Not for the faint of heart and it better be
an aluminum 427 or your going to add around 200lbs to the front weight.


	There is another reference to Sunbeam in the Feb 2010 issue of Hot
Rod that is easily overlooked on page 110.
Pit Stop section a question is asked about Coefficient of Drag for cars and
the answer given is Mayfield Motorsport, Pahrump, NV.
www.mayfco.com/tbls.htm

Dr Mayf and the Spirit of Sunbeam

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Gary Fish
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:45 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Hotrod magazine


The February issue of Hotrod magazine has an interesting picture of a full
race Tiger at a diner. Anyone familiar with the car?  Also the magazine has
an article coming in next month's edition on a FE powered Tiger. Knowing the
magazine it will be an interesting article.



G. Fish

66, #1265
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From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:07:36 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Hotrod magazine
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This is sort of offtopic, but... Citroen hot rod?

http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/113_0703_1966_citroen_id_19/index
.html

I couldn't find the Tiger on Hot Rod's website... Maybe I'll have to go
buy a mag off the rack.

Theo

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 13:01:43 2010
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:01:43 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Hotrod magazine
In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905744@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
References: <20100107134616.03FEE18766A@autox.team.net>
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yes....   why don't people built hot rods from cars that were crap to start
off with?


On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:

> This is sort of offtopic, but... Citroen hot rod?
>
> http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/113_0703_1966_citroen_id_19/index
> .html<http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/113_0703_1966_citroen_id_19/index%0A.html>
>
> I couldn't find the Tiger on Hot Rod's website... Maybe I'll have to go
> buy a mag off the rack.
>
> Theo
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  7 13:14:33 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:14:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Hotrod magazine
In-Reply-To: <2B4E27CDAF544702B190F84BADDD591F@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <43307.31085.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Seems a person might be better off using an Alpine shell for so many permanent
mods
and calling it a Tiger. I'm sure its a go fast sob but I rather have a car
modified by Dale A. or his equivalent- a Sunbeam person with a small block and
all the mods that are available from Dale, Tom Hall and others. Not that I
wouldn't be glad to own this car and hopefully I can find the mag locally to
get to read- OK, look at the pics for those that know me- now why have  my
fonts changed . Went to heavy black when I deleted Ron's address. I will never
understand why PCs do the things they do.In France everything has a sex, so
when you speak or write French, you use the proper language to show the item
is male or female- PCs- of any type HAVE GOT TO BE FEMALE.
 
Happy belated New years for those I missed.
 Cheers, TonytheTiger
(my apologies to the ladies)

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Thu Jan  7 13:22:13 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:22:13 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Hotrod magazine
In-Reply-To: <39a841b1001071201p3ceb72b7ge0dc5840b22d1a26@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20100107134616.03FEE18766A@autox.team.net>
	<2B4E27CDAF544702B190F84BADDD591F@ronpc1>
	<60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905744@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
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True enough. You know that those guys are not in it for the quick buck.
Doing something like that takes so much unique fabrication that the
catalog guys would never even consider it.

That ID19 is up there with the Beardmore Kitten and this Fiat 850, in my
book.
http://www.sdsefi.com/features/may06fiat.htm

http://www.beardmorebros.co.uk/website%20pages/reliant_kitten.htm

Theo

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Thu Jan  7 14:13:50 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:13:50 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Hotrod magazine
References: <20100107134616.03FEE18766A@autox.team.net>
	<2B4E27CDAF544702B190F84BADDD591F@ronpc1>
	<60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905744@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
	<39a841b1001071201p3ceb72b7ge0dc5840b22d1a26@mail.gmail.com>
	<60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905745@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <544F6AFC509644C4A2103A9D01D15622@student2>

>>> True enough. You know that those guys are not in it for the quick 
>>> buck.<<<

Nice cars.  Scary to think where it ends... a V-10 in a Smart car!

Tom

From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  7 17:03:45 2010
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:03:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] tiger for sale in the dallas area
In-Reply-To: <4B4618E9.5060205@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <520368.42018.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi,
     My uncle had a Tiger as you described it in the Dallas area in the late
60's..His was BRG with a Cobra series II 306 HP engine,289 C.I.  He bought it
in the Phillipines when he was in the AF..had it driven to Wv where he was
living at the time..He died and his daughter got it and had it moved to the
Dallas area..It was rusting to the ground in the back yard when it was
sold..maybe in the late 70's..I lost track of it then..
     I drove it a lot in Wv..It was a strong, revvy engine..much more than the
13 inch tires could handle..I remember 2nd gear with the secondaries open
causing much G force and clouds of tire smoke..If this is the Tiger mentioned,
it is a good one..restored to better than original..
zym

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Thu, 1/7/10, Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com> wrote:


From: Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger for sale in the dallas area
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 12:24 PM


This is certainly a rare Tiger and, perhaps, unique, being that it is a Mk IV
A!  I've never seen anything past a Mk II.  You never know where stimulus
money will turn up!

Tod
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From crbernardino at mac.com  Thu Jan  7 17:42:41 2010
From: crbernardino at mac.com (C. Robert Bernardino, MD FACS)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:42:41 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] tiger for sale in the dallas area
In-Reply-To: <520368.42018.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <520368.42018.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8EC733E5-4B92-497D-A305-B817633B5788@mac.com>

I wonder how many Tigers made it asia? That is one rare cat!
Rob in CT

C. Robert Bernardino, MD FACS
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Residency Program Director
Ophthalmic Plastics & Orbital Surgery

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 7, 2010, at 7:03 PM, Howard gentry <zymmer4 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>     My uncle had a Tiger as you described it in the Dallas area in  
> the late
> 60's..His was BRG with a Cobra series II 306 HP engine,289 C.I.  He  
> bought it
> in the Phillipines when he was in the AF..had it driven to Wv where  
> he was
> living at the time..He died and his daughter got it and had it moved  
> to the
> Dallas area..It was rusting to the ground in the back yard when it was
> sold..maybe in the late 70's..I lost track of it then..
>     I drove it a lot in Wv..It was a strong, revvy engine..much more  
> than the
> 13 inch tires could handle..I remember 2nd gear with the secondaries  
> open
> causing much G force and clouds of tire smoke..If this is the Tiger  
> mentioned,
> it is a good one..restored to better than original..
> zym
>
> The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.
>
> --- On Thu, 1/7/10, Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger for sale in the dallas area
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 12:24 PM
>
>
> This is certainly a rare Tiger and, perhaps, unique, being that it  
> is a Mk IV
> A!  I've never seen anything past a Mk II.  You never know where  
> stimulus
> money will turn up!
>
> Tod
> B382002384LRXFE
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 18:09:35 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:09:35 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] tiger for sale in the dallas area
In-Reply-To: <8EC733E5-4B92-497D-A305-B817633B5788@mac.com>
References: <520368.42018.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<8EC733E5-4B92-497D-A305-B817633B5788@mac.com>
Message-ID: <d86d088a1001071709r1ba6688lfcc928b6bcb35531@mail.gmail.com>

2010/1/8 C. Robert Bernardino, MD FACS <crbernardino at mac.com>

> I wonder how many Tigers made it asia? That is one rare cat!
> Rob in CT


There is apparently a MKI Tiger in india that i was made aware of a few
years back.. its in a collection of british cars.


-- 
Regards

Michael King

From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  7 20:29:51 2010
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 19:29:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] tiger for sale in the dallas area
In-Reply-To: <8EC733E5-4B92-497D-A305-B817633B5788@mac.com>
Message-ID: <265909.93134.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi,
     According to Sonny, my uncle, there were two of them bought to race in
the Phillipines..the other one was set up the same, only red in color..makes
one wonder...
     zym

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Thu, 1/7/10, C. Robert Bernardino, MD FACS <crbernardino at mac.com>
wrote:


From: C. Robert Bernardino, MD FACS <crbernardino at mac.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger for sale in the dallas area
To: "Howard gentry" <zymmer4 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Tod Brown" <todbrown at roadrunner.com>, "tiger list"
<tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 7:42 PM


I wonder how many Tigers made it asia? That is one rare cat!
Rob in CT

C. Robert Bernardino, MD FACS
Associate Professor of Ophthalmology
Residency Program Director
Ophthalmic Plastics & Orbital Surgery

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 7, 2010, at 7:03 PM, Howard gentry <zymmer4 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>     My uncle had a Tiger as you described it in the Dallas area in the late
> 60's..His was BRG with a Cobra series II 306 HP engine,289 C.I.  He bought
it
> in the Phillipines when he was in the AF..had it driven to Wv where he was
> living at the time..He died and his daughter got it and had it moved to the
> Dallas area..It was rusting to the ground in the back yard when it was
> sold..maybe in the late 70's..I lost track of it then..
>     I drove it a lot in Wv..It was a strong, revvy engine..much more than
the
> 13 inch tires could handle..I remember 2nd gear with the secondaries open
> causing much G force and clouds of tire smoke..If this is the Tiger
mentioned,
> it is a good one..restored to better than original..
> zym
>
> The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.
>
> --- On Thu, 1/7/10, Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger for sale in the dallas area
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 12:24 PM
>
>
> This is certainly a rare Tiger and, perhaps, unique, being that it is a Mk
IV
> A!  I've never seen anything past a Mk II.  You never know where stimulus
> money will turn up!
>
> Tod
> B382002384LRXFE
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From macdonald49 at shaw.ca  Thu Jan  7 23:52:52 2010
From: macdonald49 at shaw.ca (Peter MacDonald)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 22:52:52 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Gasoline
Message-ID: <D1019FFF-6EC6-417F-8B56-338FA06CFF89@shaw.ca>

Went to the Chevron today to get some gas and noticed a sticker on  
the pump that said "May contain up to 10% alcohol". I asked the  
attendant when this happened. He said "Yesterday".

The price was $1.09/Litre - up from last time enough that I was  
thinking it was either Canadian Club or something similar they  must  
be using.

Peter

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  8 02:25:28 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 01:25:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Gasoline
In-Reply-To: <D1019FFF-6EC6-417F-8B56-338FA06CFF89@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <157662.29751.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Peter, Im certain it might be Early Times or Old Taylor- no way are they
importing a Canadian blent. If they would use eastern Ky. or southern WVa
moonshine the octane would go up but then we would have people trying to
remove the gasoline from the "shine". They would drink one and drive on the
remainder.
Cheers, Tony

--- On Fri, 1/8/10, Peter MacDonald <macdonald49 at shaw.ca> wrote:


From: Peter MacDonald <macdonald49 at shaw.ca>
Subject: [Tigers] Gasoline
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 12:52 AM


Went to the Chevron today to get some gas and noticed a sticker on the pump
that said "May contain up to 10% alcohol". I asked the attendant when this
happened. He said "Yesterday".

The price was $1.09/Litre - up from last time enough that I was thinking it
was either Canadian Club or something similar they  must be using.

Peter
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From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  8 06:54:02 2010
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 05:54:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Gasoline
In-Reply-To: <D1019FFF-6EC6-417F-8B56-338FA06CFF89@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <229638.75046.qm@web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi,
     Welcome to Oxygenated fuel..5/4 the price...4/5 the power of
gasoline..Baa Humbug!! I say.
zym

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Fri, 1/8/10, Peter MacDonald <macdonald49 at shaw.ca> wrote:


From: Peter MacDonald <macdonald49 at shaw.ca>
Subject: [Tigers] Gasoline
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 1:52 AM


Went to the Chevron today to get some gas and noticed a sticker on the pump
that said "May contain up to 10% alcohol". I asked the attendant when this
happened. He said "Yesterday".

The price was $1.09/Litre - up from last time enough that I was thinking it
was either Canadian Club or something similar they  must be using.

Peter
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From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  8 06:58:47 2010
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 05:58:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Gasoline
In-Reply-To: <157662.29751.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <34623.32964.qm@web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi,
     Here in Wv. they start with 80 octane "pool fuel" and add squeeze till it
will burn..:-). I make better fuel on my stove top than most of the commercial
refineries..lol..and it certainly tastes better.
zym

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Fri, 1/8/10, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gasoline
To: tigers at autox.team.net, "Peter MacDonald" <macdonald49 at shaw.ca>
Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 4:25 AM


Peter, Im certain it might be Early Times or Old Taylor- no way are they
importing a Canadian blent. If they would use eastern Ky. or southern WVa
moonshine the octane would go up but then we would have people trying to
remove the gasoline from the "shine". They would drink one and drive on the
remainder.
Cheers, Tony

--- On Fri, 1/8/10, Peter MacDonald <macdonald49 at shaw.ca> wrote:


From: Peter MacDonald <macdonald49 at shaw.ca>
Subject: [Tigers] Gasoline
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 12:52 AM


Went to the Chevron today to get some gas and noticed a sticker on the pump
that said "May contain up to 10% alcohol". I asked the attendant when this
happened. He said "Yesterday".

The price was $1.09/Litre - up from last time enough that I was thinking it
was either Canadian Club or something similar they  must be using.

Peter
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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Fri Jan  8 14:20:09 2010
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:20:09 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] What did you do in the War, daddy?
Message-ID: <4B47A189.6010308@SoCal.rr.com>

Friends,

The Daily News has just published an article about the Rocketdyne F-1 
rocket motor on display at their former headquarters in Canoga Park. It 
is now occupied by Pratt & Whitney.  This giant rocket was used in the 
Saturn launch Lunar Landing in 1969, in a group of 5 on the first stage. 
It was tested as early as 1957.

I am a bit proud of that achievement, and played an significant role in 
the design and development of the rocket engine.

Well, when you get older, your earlier memories become more dear.  Now, 
if only I could figure out how to get THAT engine in my Tiger ( and 
someone who would drive it!  What's Dr. Mayf up to?  He will drive 
ANYTHING that is fast.)

Many have seen the Salt Lake rocket sled tests at Salt Lake, near the 
"flats".  That was just a small rocket that bent the doctor's face 
around his skull.  Can you IMAGINE 1,500.000 lbf thrust??

http://www.dailynews.com/search/ci_14146137?IADID=Search-www.dailynews.com-www.dailynews.com

and a Wikipedia article (with lots of pics):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-1_(rocket_engine) <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-1_%28rocket_engine%29>


Keep 'em Flying!

Steve

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From bob at rjosten.com  Fri Jan  8 15:11:36 2010
From: bob at rjosten.com (Bob Josten)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:11:36 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] What did you do in the War, daddy?
In-Reply-To: <4B47A189.6010308@SoCal.rr.com>
References: <4B47A189.6010308@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <a29f7c891001081411o12a2d0a4x9f549b74c0a59e5b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Steve, I find it amazing that just a little over a decade after WW2
something like this could be designed and built. You guys must have
been thrilled beyond belief.
Are these guys related to you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCjHV63MQ4w&feature=player_embedded

regards
Bob J.



On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Steve Laifman <SLaifman at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> Friends,
>
> The Daily News has just published an article about the Rocketdyne F-1
rocket
> motor on display at their former headquarters in Canoga Park. It is now
> occupied by Pratt & Whitney.  This giant rocket was used in the Saturn
> launch Lunar Landing in 1969, in a group of 5 on the first stage. It was
> tested as early as 1957.

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Fri Jan  8 15:35:09 2010
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:35:09 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] What did you do in the War, daddy?
In-Reply-To: <a29f7c891001081411o12a2d0a4x9f549b74c0a59e5b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B47A189.6010308@SoCal.rr.com>
	<a29f7c891001081411o12a2d0a4x9f549b74c0a59e5b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B47B31D.1030609@SoCal.rr.com>

Bob,

A Christmas Tree Rocket, hmm!  Actually while in high school, and before 
CalTech, a friend and I built a rocket starting with raw ingredients.  
Took it to a field that looked a lot like that pictured, and remotely 
ignited it.  Well, it blew up on the pad and almost set the farmer's 
weeds on fire.

After a solid education, and in first professional job with North 
American Aviations Rocketdyne Division in 1955, I helped with the 
engineering design/development/test of the Redstone, Thor, Jupiter, 
Atlas, and the F-1.  Received a few patents on my design work.

Went on to bigger jobs after that, still in the Rocket Field.  Met Dr. 
Mayf when he was at Vandenberg AFB.

Thanks for asking.

Steve

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Bob Josten wrote:
> Hi Steve, I find it amazing that just a little over a decade after WW2
> something like this could be designed and built. You guys must have
> been thrilled beyond belief.
> Are these guys related to you?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCjHV63MQ4w&feature=player_embedded
>
> regards
> Bob J.

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Jan  8 16:09:58 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:09:58 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] What did you do in the War, daddy?
In-Reply-To: <4B47A189.6010308@SoCal.rr.com>
References: <4B47A189.6010308@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4B47BB46.3040104@mayfco.com>

Yup, that was a humdinger! And while I had no part in that engine or any 
of the Saturn Program, I did go to the Canoga Park or was it Santa 
Susana test area once. I watched the propellant turbine make a test run. 
It only produced as I recall abotu 50,000 lb thrust as exhaust, lol... 
Quite Spectacular!  And I stood and watched as an upper stage engine was 
run...with me looking straight into teh flame bucket.. and fairly close 
to it as well. Yikes! Shake your insides loose! 

So,  thank you for those efforts, Steve!  Oh, were you around when teh 
free air hydrogen exposion happened at the test facility?  As I 
undrstand it, they were going to run the hydrogen stage set of motors 
with the real tankage and some farkle cause an abort. The detanked teh 
hydrogen out into the air, but it was so clod that teh gaseous H2 hung 
like fog on teh ground and then ...KABOOM... some blown in ear drums,  
virtually all the support traileres had crush damage and most all 
windows were blown in. Nobody seriously hurt though.... remember that?  
I just heard about it later...so I may have it completely wrong...

So, thanks again, Steve!

mayf
Steve Laifman wrote:

> Friends,
>
> The Daily News has just published an article about the Rocketdyne F-1 
> rocket motor on display at their former headquarters in Canoga Park. 
> It is now occupied by Pratt & Whitney.  This giant rocket was used in 
> the Saturn launch Lunar Landing in 1969, in a group of 5 on the first 
> stage. It was tested as early as 1957.
>
> I am a bit proud of that achievement, and played an significant role 
> in the design and development of the rocket engine.
>
> Well, when you get older, your earlier memories become more dear.  
> Now, if only I could figure out how to get THAT engine in my Tiger ( 
> and someone who would drive it!  What's Dr. Mayf up to?  He will drive 
> ANYTHING that is fast.)
>
> Many have seen the Salt Lake rocket sled tests at Salt Lake, near the 
> "flats".  That was just a small rocket that bent the doctor's face 
> around his skull.  Can you IMAGINE 1,500.000 lbf thrust??
>
> http://www.dailynews.com/search/ci_14146137?IADID=Search-www.dailynews.com-www.dailynews.com 
>
>
> and a Wikipedia article (with lots of pics):
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-1_(rocket_engine) 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-1_%28rocket_engine%29>
>
>
> Keep 'em Flying!
>
> Steve
>
> -- 
>
> ___
> Steve Laifman
> Editor - TigersUnited.com
> <http://www.TigersUnited.com>

From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Fri Jan  8 17:00:35 2010
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 19:00:35 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] What did you do in the War, daddy?
In-Reply-To: <4B47A189.6010308@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20100109000035.RP1P1.62240.root@cdptpa-web02-z02>

Congrats on your achievements Steve. I was watching
a show on Smithsonian Channel this week about the expansion
of the Air and Space museum. It was a great reminder of how
fast the United States can move when it needs or wants to. 

66 years from Kitty Hawk to Tranquility Base on the moon. Incredible.

My Dad was a Marine in the Pacific in WWII and came home to finish
an engineering degree. He worked till he died in Aerospace for
TRW, Martin, Douglass and Convair. He was involved in Skylab and
Voyager. Most of the time he was on classified projects and we didn't
know what he was doing. At his funeral in 1986 two co-workers
came forward and said they still couldn't say what he was doing at the end but
phrased it has "he was working on good stuff not bad stuff"
I assumed they meant the SDI or star wars project but probably will never know.

Steve R
B9473720

From mgman71 at comcast.net  Sat Jan  9 06:56:14 2010
From: mgman71 at comcast.net (George Re)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 13:56:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch?
Message-ID: <583258318.9775081263045374942.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Hello: Looking for info a what clutch fits the 260 mk1? will a Mustang, Fairlane with a 260 fit? or is there 
a special one only for the tiger. 

Thanks 
George 
65 B9471055 

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Jan  9 07:36:10 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:36:10 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch?
In-Reply-To: <583258318.9775081263045374942.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <13322EFF1D2E44F395CCF61D235C0BA1@ronpc1>

George
	There is nothing special about the Tiger clutch; stock 260 Ford
parts.

>From Rootes Parts Manual 6601131

C2OZ-7563-D	pressure plate

C3OZ-7550-A clutch plate

Ron Fraser

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Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch?


Hello: Looking for info a what clutch fits the 260 mk1? will a Mustang,
Fairlane with a 260 fit? or is there 
a special one only for the tiger. 

Thanks 
George 
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From hav357 at aol.com  Sat Jan  9 07:37:49 2010
From: hav357 at aol.com (hav357 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:37:49 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Remote oil filter top nut
Message-ID: <fa82.5d9758cb.3879eebd@aol.com>

To all,
    I''ve gathered most of the parts for the remote oil filter assy, for 
the MK1 stock 260. However im missing the top nut the extends through the 
aluminum flange and attaches the oil filter. It is reference number 86 on plate 
D section AF. Can any one provide one or tell me where to find one? I'm also 
looking for the oil filter part number such as a fram or purolator number.
  Thanks, for your help,
 Joe Havranek
 Rosendale, NY

From stubrennan at comcast.net  Sat Jan  9 07:52:43 2010
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:52:43 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Remote oil filter top nut
In-Reply-To: <fa82.5d9758cb.3879eebd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca913b$6835ba50$6801a8c0@Brennan>

It's Fram PH8A, Motorcraft FL1, same as tons of Fords.  I've never seen
another source for that part you are after, so you will just have to
find someone who came to their senses and converted to the right angle
adapter or some aftermarket remote filter setup, and is getting rid of
the stock parts.

Stu

From shutchin at netjets.com  Sat Jan  9 08:04:32 2010
From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:04:32 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch?
Message-ID: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D408965FAF@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>

Get a Centerforce. 

Very happy with mine, and it's not really a job you want to do again soon. 
 


Scott Hutchinson
Director of Operations
NetJets Large Aircraft

Office 860.292.1191
Mobile 843.290.2805

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From hav357 at aol.com  Sat Jan  9 08:57:15 2010
From: hav357 at aol.com (hav357 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:57:15 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Remote oil filter top nut
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All.
My apologies it was reference number 80.
Joe
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To all,
    I''ve gathered most of the parts for the remote oil filter assy, for 
the MK1 stock 260. However im missing the top nut the extends through the 
aluminum flange and attaches the oil filter. It is reference number 86 on plate 
D section AF. Can any one provide one or tell me where to find one? I'm also 
looking for the oil filter part number such as a fram or purolator number.
  Thanks, for your help,
 Joe Havranek
 Rosendale, NY

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  9 09:57:02 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 08:57:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Remote oil filter top nut
In-Reply-To: <000001ca913b$6835ba50$6801a8c0@Brennan>
Message-ID: <205442.6194.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMEN Stu. Unless you are like me and have headers that interfere- Im not
absolutely positive- maybe IF I remove the header first but I think the stocl
oil lines is a weak design- the right angle and shorty filter is much better
and who cares if I have to change filter sooner -I just use castor girling
sythentic oil- IF I could that is.

--- On Sat, 1/9/10, Stu Brennan <stubrennan at comcast.net> wrote:


From: Stu Brennan <stubrennan at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Remote oil filter top nut
To: hav357 at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 8:52 AM


It's Fram PH8A, Motorcraft FL1, same as tons of Fords.  I've never seen
another source for that part you are after, so you will just have to
find someone who came to their senses and converted to the right angle
adapter or some aftermarket remote filter setup, and is getting rid of
the stock parts.

Stu
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From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  9 10:53:41 2010
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 09:53:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE
In-Reply-To: <388729.76249.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <597952.71740.qm@web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Here,here,
     I have had the same problem..I can't understand the India or korean
dialect too well...
zym

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Sat, 1/9/10, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE
To: "Tony Someone" <achd73 at yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 11:26 AM








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The owner of Casa D'ice restaurant in

  North Versailles, PA ...(NEAR PITTSBURGH )

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From csx2282 at sonic.net  Sat Jan  9 11:04:36 2010
From: csx2282 at sonic.net (csx2282)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:04:36 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] What did you do in the War, daddy
References: <mailman.5271.1263052673.4175.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <F828446DBF6C413E89E0E8DB424B9DEF@Cobra>

So Steve, it was YOU who was responsible for all that racket I had to put up 
with when I was living in Canoga Park during the '50s and '60s!

Roland

_________________________________________
Friends,

The Daily News has just published an article about the Rocketdyne F-1
rocket motor on display at their former headquarters in Canoga Park. It
is now occupied by Pratt & Whitney.  This giant rocket was used in the
Saturn launch Lunar Landing in 1969, in a group of 5 on the first stage.
It was tested as early as 1957.

I am a bit proud of that achievement, and played an significant role in
the design and development of the rocket engine.

Well, when you get older, your earlier memories become more dear.  Now,
if only I could figure out how to get THAT engine in my Tiger ( and
someone who would drive it!  What's Dr. Mayf up to?  He will drive
ANYTHING that is fast.)

Many have seen the Salt Lake rocket sled tests at Salt Lake, near the
"flats".  That was just a small rocket that bent the doctor's face
around his skull.  Can you IMAGINE 1,500.000 lbf thrust??

http://www.dailynews.com/search/ci_14146137?IADID=Search-www.dailynews.com-www.dailynews.com

and a Wikipedia article (with lots of pics):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-1_(rocket_engine) 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-1_%28rocket_engine%29>


Keep 'em Flying!

Steve

--

___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com>

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 11:11:42 2010
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 18:11:42 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE
In-Reply-To: <597952.71740.qm@web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <388729.76249.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<597952.71740.qm@web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b1001091011s7fe6d25cg6877760080dc6a64@mail.gmail.com>

sorry, i can't find the one about sunbeam tigers.   maybe my email didn't
show all the pictures.  can you resend the email without all the irrelevant
political ones?

On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Howard gentry <zymmer4 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Here,here,
>     I have had the same problem..I can't understand the India or korean
> dialect too well...
> zym
>
> The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.
>
> --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Fw: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE
> To: "Tony Someone" <achd73 at yahoo.com>
> Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 11:26 AM
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>
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> make
> a [political] statement and WOW!
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>
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>
>
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> information about FOCUS My Health.
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  9 11:27:18 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:27:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE
In-Reply-To: <39a841b1001091011s7fe6d25cg6877760080dc6a64@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <32729.27219.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It polly should have said OFF TOPIC Owain, my apologizes. The one I liked was
push one for English as we seldom get to speak to anyone that speaks English
well enough to be understood- The email was sent by a republican friend- Im
not smart enough to argue politics so I go with what I think is best- no
matter the party.
Cheers, Tony
--- On Sat, 1/9/10, Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE
To: "Howard gentry" <zymmer4 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Tony Somebody" <achd73 at yahoo.com>, "tiger list" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 12:11 PM


sorry, i can't find the one about sunbeam tigers.   maybe my email didn't show
all the pictures.  can you resend the email without all the irrelevant
political ones?


On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Howard gentry <zymmer4 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Here,here,
    I have had the same problem..I can't understand the India or korean
dialect too well...
zym

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Sat, 1/9/10, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE
To: "Tony Someone" <achd73 at yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 11:26 AM









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The owner of Casa D'ice restaurant in

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 The owner changes the signs when he gets another idea...Or just wants to
make
a [political] statement and WOW!





 10/19/08















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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sat Jan  9 12:25:59 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 11:25:59 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] What did you do in the War, daddy?
References: <4B47A189.6010308@SoCal.rr.com>
	<a29f7c891001081411o12a2d0a4x9f549b74c0a59e5b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B47B31D.1030609@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <E14B726753AE44C9A4BF282396F33751@student2>

>>>Went on to bigger jobs after that, still in the Rocket Field.<<<

Yes, we heard those "bigger jobs" over here in Thousand Oaks (about 10 miles 
as the crow fly's from the test pad).

Unexpected rocket testing and my arrhythmia never went together too well. 
There were a few instances where for a second we thought it was the end of 
the world.  I can't recall the last time I heard a rocket though ... .  I 
know about all the "toxic site" issues, but are they still doing any testing 
out there?

 Also, wasn't that the site where the first nuclear powered electricity 
generator was?  It powering of all things sleepy little Moorpark.

I'll say this, Tigers and some rocket motors have one thing in common - 
suspect fuel tanks. :-)

Tom 

From rande at thecia.net  Sat Jan  9 12:50:09 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 14:50:09 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
Message-ID: <4b48ddf1.4d07.0@thecia.net>

So Steve, it was YOU who was responsible for all that racket I had to put up
with when I was living in Canoga Park during the '50s and '60s!

Roland


Canoga Park? I felt it/heard it from Granada Hills in the '60s. For those who
didn't experience this, it was the vibrational equivalent of the Great and All
Powerful Wizard going, 'TESTING, TESTING' several times a year

I hope this doesn't cancel my welcome to TigersUnited central command on future
Valley visits, Steve.

From BEAU2EVE at aol.com  Sat Jan  9 14:02:48 2010
From: BEAU2EVE at aol.com (BEAU2EVE at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 16:02:48 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11
Message-ID: <d55.66915af1.387a48f8@aol.com>

I put a remote oil filter under my left front fender, I used heater  
grommets to protect the line as it went through the inner fender. I used a high  
pressure line to reroute the oil lines there. Your local hydraulic shop 
should  have that. Since I have headers , I could not use the PH-8 filter either.
 
 
 
                    Beau B9470951

From fastsage at cox.net  Sat Jan  9 16:12:02 2010
From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 16:12:02 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger K&N Air Filter Size Answer
Message-ID: <4B490D42.7060507@cox.net>

I don't think I ever concluded this. I had asked about the correct K&N 
part number for my stock Tiger air cleaner. The old filter I had never 
fit right. It was just a bit too small. The old filter number was an 
A135A8. Through help from our list here someone said to try a K&N E2859. 
I did and it fits perfectly in the filter housing.

Thanks again everyone for helping out.

Steve Sage




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From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  9 16:20:14 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 15:20:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE
In-Reply-To: <32729.27219.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <252118.98015.qm@web111604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

It all depends on where you live.  In Chicago,  call the City Hall.
The prompt will say  1 for English  2 for Polish  3 for Spanish.
 
Chicago.  The city that works.
 
Just last spring my son moved into a vacant apartment.  ComEd
told him with a 3 month deposit, they could connect him up
in 6 weeks. I called the city hall, and pressed 1 (not 2 or 3.)
They said Comed was a private company and he was SOL.
 
 I called the aldermatic office in the preceint.  I spoke
with him.  He said 'I wouldn't want to lose a prospective voter.
Its Friday afternoon, I'll look into it. 
 
On Saturday, the lights magically came on.  It took Comed 6 weeks
before they started billing.
 
Monday, he visited the alderman's office to thank him. 
He shook his hands and wanted to welcome him to his precient
and if he needed any other help, such as parking tickets, trash
pick up, please call his office. Was offered ar taken.
 
By the way, vote Democratic the next ellection. 
(There are no Republicans in Cook County)
 
I'm not saying what happened.  I'm saying there are too many
overpaid petty bureacrats that stand in they way.  They forget
they are servants of the people.
 
Ah Chicago, the city that works.
Chicago, a city that needs a good quarterback.
 
Dave
 
 

--- On Sat, 1/9/10, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE
To: "Howard gentry" <zymmer4 at yahoo.com>, owain.lloyd at gmail.com
Cc: "tiger list" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 6:27 PM


It polly should have said OFF TOPIC Owain, my apologizes. The one I liked was
push one for English as we seldom get to speak to anyone that speaks English
well enough to be understood- The email was sent by a republican friend- Im
not smart enough to argue politics so I go with what I think is best- no
matter the party.
Cheers, Tony
--- On Sat, 1/9/10, Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE
To: "Howard gentry" <zymmer4 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Tony Somebody" <achd73 at yahoo.com>, "tiger list" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 12:11 PM


sorry, i can't find the one about sunbeam tigers.   maybe my email didn't
show
all the pictures.  can you resend the email without all the irrelevant
political ones?


On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Howard gentry <zymmer4 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Here,here,
    I have had the same problem..I can't understand the India or korean
dialect too well...
zym

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Sat, 1/9/10, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw: THE SIGNS ARE BACK AT CASA D'ICE
To: "Tony Someone" <achd73 at yahoo.com>
Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 11:26 AM









--- On Fri, 1/8/10, mike schreiner <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com> wrote:




















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The owner of Casa D'ice restaurant in

North Versailles, PA ...(NEAR PITTSBURGH )

The owner changes the signs when he gets another idea...Or just wants to
make
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From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Sun Jan 10 20:27:02 2010
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (slaifman at socal.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 3:27:02 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] What did you do in the War, daddy?
In-Reply-To: <E14B726753AE44C9A4BF282396F33751@student2>
Message-ID: <20100111032702.B0AM8.241226.root@hrndva-web05-z01>

Tom,

The BIG "mishap" that caused the Toxic Site issues were the spills by the Nuclear Power guys, not the Rocket Guys.
 
They called in all employees and ex-employees who were there at the time for health inspections.  Fortunately, I had already gone on to even Bigger Things.

Steve

---- Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net> wrote: 
> >>>Went on to bigger jobs after that, still in the Rocket Field.<<<
> 
> Yes, we heard those "bigger jobs" over here in Thousand Oaks (about 10 miles 
> as the crow fly's from the test pad).
> 
> Unexpected rocket testing and my arrhythmia never went together too well. 
> There were a few instances where for a second we thought it was the end of 
> the world.  I can't recall the last time I heard a rocket though ... .  I 
> know about all the "toxic site" issues, but are they still doing any testing 
> out there?
> 
>  Also, wasn't that the site where the first nuclear powered electricity 
> generator was?  It powering of all things sleepy little Moorpark.
> 
> I'll say this, Tigers and some rocket motors have one thing in common - 
> suspect fuel tanks. :-)
> 
> Tom 

From sganz at pacbell.net  Sun Jan 10 20:48:52 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:48:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Rocket Scientist [Off tiger topic]
In-Reply-To: <20100111032702.B0AM8.241226.root@hrndva-web05-z01>
References: <20100111032702.B0AM8.241226.root@hrndva-web05-z01>
Message-ID: <948108.36360.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Steve -

Late to the Rocket Scientist discussion but I love all that stuff! I
had been up to the facilities a bunch of times for, get this, a Fortran
Programming class. I think they were working on sodium pumps or something like
that (been a long time). When my brother lived in Texas years later I had done
a tour of Johnson space center and took the tour, then they just let out out
and walk around and do you own thing, any where that was not locked I'm sure
that has all changed. All the stuff was still like the movie sets of Apollo
13. Cool stuff. I have some old press kits from Rocketdyne about the space
shuttle before it was finished. I'll have to dig that up, lots of cool pics of
the propulsion systems too.

An era of innovation gone bye. Now if I could
find one of those old Rocketdyne white jumpsuits ;)

Good stories thanks all
for sharing.

Sandy

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Jan 10 20:50:41 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:50:41 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] What did you do in the War, daddy?
In-Reply-To: <20100111032702.B0AM8.241226.root@hrndva-web05-z01>
References: <20100111032702.B0AM8.241226.root@hrndva-web05-z01>
Message-ID: <4B4AA011.9020406@mayfco.com>

And with Boeing's acquisition of Rocketdyne, they inherited the clean up 
as I recall. Still being argued over by the suits.  What a mess....

mayf
slaifman at socal.rr.com wrote:

>Tom,
>
>The BIG "mishap" that caused the Toxic Site issues were the spills by the Nuclear Power guys, not the Rocket Guys.
> 
>They called in all employees and ex-employees who were there at the time for health inspections.  Fortunately, I had already gone on to even Bigger Things.
>
>Steve
>
>---- Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net> wrote: 
>  
>
>>>>>Went on to bigger jobs after that, still in the Rocket Field.<<<
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>Yes, we heard those "bigger jobs" over here in Thousand Oaks (about 10 miles 
>>as the crow fly's from the test pad).
>>
>>Unexpected rocket testing and my arrhythmia never went together too well. 
>>There were a few instances where for a second we thought it was the end of 
>>the world.  I can't recall the last time I heard a rocket though ... .  I 
>>know about all the "toxic site" issues, but are they still doing any testing 
>>out there?
>>
>> Also, wasn't that the site where the first nuclear powered electricity 
>>generator was?  It powering of all things sleepy little Moorpark.
>>
>>I'll say this, Tigers and some rocket motors have one thing in common - 
>>suspect fuel tanks. :-)
>>
>>Tom 
>>    
>>
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From sganz at pacbell.net  Sun Jan 10 20:54:23 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:54:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Don Adams Tiger
Message-ID: <318116.90473.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I was working dong some car shot stuff at the TMPCC car show this last
Saturday at the CBS Radford lot and did check out the 'Tiger'. Well it is not
the original car, as were most of the 'movie replicas' that showed. It was a
really nicely done Alpine with a V6 Capri swap from the guy in San Diego that
does them. It did have the functional turret that poped a gun up and some
other Get Smart bits. Was a fun car for sure. The lady (I can't remember her
name) was nice and fun and never tried to pass the car off as a Tiger. Big Don
Adam's signature on the visor, she was a huge Get Smart fan and that is what
prompted her to do the car ;) I'll post the link when the video goes up.
Sandy

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sun Jan 10 22:33:33 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:33:33 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] What did you do in the War, daddy?
References: <20100111032702.B0AM8.241226.root@hrndva-web05-z01>
	<4B4AA011.9020406@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <FB759ABE32D64BE38E833E745FC7A276@student2>

FYI google maps (satellite) has a decent view of the Rocketdyne area. Call 
up google maps and cut/paste this number into the search 
34.237493,-118.679981

 I'm only about 10 miles away. I'm guessing Ed Foster's Tiger is closest to 
the radiation (maybe that is why he has those louvers on his hood).  :-)

.  I'd love to walk around the area (if I even could), but if I came home 
and left glowing footprints on the carpet the wife would have a fit!
Tom 

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Jan 11 08:28:32 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:28:32 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11
In-Reply-To: <d55.66915af1.387a48f8@aol.com>
References: <d55.66915af1.387a48f8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905752@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

If you do get oil lines made at a hydraulic shop, make sure they
understand that this is for a continuous-flow oiling system, not for a
hydraulic application. Hydraulic hose and fittings have smaller IDs than
oil hose, for the same hose OD and fitting thread sizes, and you'll get
much greater pressure loss in the lines.

Cheers,
Theo
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BEAU2EVE at aol.com
> Sent: January 9, 2010 2:03 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11
>
> I put a remote oil filter under my left front fender, I used
> heater grommets to protect the line as it went through the
> inner fender. I used a high pressure line to reroute the oil
> lines there. Your local hydraulic shop should  have that.
> Since I have headers , I could not use the PH-8 filter either.
>
>
>
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From dave at munroe.ca  Mon Jan 11 08:57:59 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:57:59 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11
In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905752@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
References: <d55.66915af1.387a48f8@aol.com>
	<60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905752@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <6DACA15CAE1B426ABD949A95D478DAB6@DavePC>

Theo;

This is a concept I have not considered: are you saying that smaller 
internal diameter oil filter lines will cause a drop in oil pressure to the 
filter? or to the engine oiling system which could be seen on the oil 
pressure gauge?

I have a set of "industrial" oil line hoses on my filter set-up, and am not 
happy with my oil pressure as seen on my dash mounted gauge. I haven't 
checked the internal dia. of the hoses so I don't know if they are indeed 
smaller than they need to be, but it would be interesting if they are a 
factor in my overall oil pressure.

Thanks for this bit of info.

Dave




  If you do get oil lines made at a hydraulic shop, make sure they
 understand that this is for a continuous-flow oiling system, not for a
 hydraulic application. Hydraulic hose and fittings have smaller IDs than
 oil hose, for the same hose OD and fitting thread sizes, and you'll get
 much greater pressure loss in the lines.

  Cheers,
 Theo

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Jan 11 09:10:55 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:10:55 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11
In-Reply-To: <6DACA15CAE1B426ABD949A95D478DAB6@DavePC>
References: <d55.66915af1.387a48f8@aol.com>
	<60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905752@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
	<6DACA15CAE1B426ABD949A95D478DAB6@DavePC>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905754@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

A guy I know had a set of lines made at a hydraulic shop for his race
4A-G. It wasn't quite Atlantic spec but still on the order of 220 hp and
8500+ RPM. He had issues with bearings until he showed us the oil lines
- the IDs of the adapters were maybe 5/16" and while the hose OD was
similar to what you'd see on -10 Earl's line, the ID was no more than
3/8".

On the Ford small block, the pressure relief is built into the oil pump
so if there is any downstream obstruction, it will dump extra oil
overboard and the downstream pressure is reduced. However, I don't know
offhand whether the gallery that the gauge gets its feed from is after
the filter, or before.

I have never seem over about 55 psi on my gauge, on either engine I've
had in the car. I have the filter in the left fender with a pair of -10
hoses, two 90 degree hose ends, and two straight ends. The block adapter
is a ultra-low-profile homebuilt device, but internally it's got similar
passage sizes to the Canton adapter and the one sold by Dale. For the
kinds of RPM I can run, 55 psi is more than enough, but if I was going
to build a high RPM engine I will be looking into that a little bit. I'd
start with putting the oil pressure gauge on my air compressor line to
see if it was OK, though.

Cheers,
Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Munroe [mailto:dave at munroe.ca]
> Sent: January 11, 2010 8:58 AM
> To: Smit, Theo; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11
>
> Theo;
>
> This is a concept I have not considered: are you saying that
> smaller internal diameter oil filter lines will cause a drop
> in oil pressure to the filter? or to the engine oiling system
> which could be seen on the oil pressure gauge?
>
> I have a set of "industrial" oil line hoses on my filter
> set-up, and am not happy with my oil pressure as seen on my
> dash mounted gauge. I haven't checked the internal dia. of
> the hoses so I don't know if they are indeed smaller than
> they need to be, but it would be interesting if they are a
> factor in my overall oil pressure.
>
> Thanks for this bit of info.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>   If you do get oil lines made at a hydraulic shop, make sure
> they  understand that this is for a continuous-flow oiling
> system, not for a  hydraulic application. Hydraulic hose and
> fittings have smaller IDs than  oil hose, for the same hose
> OD and fitting thread sizes, and you'll get  much greater
> pressure loss in the lines.
>
>   Cheers,
>  Theo

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 09:22:31 2010
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:22:31 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11
In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905754@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
References: <d55.66915af1.387a48f8@aol.com>
	<60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905752@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
	<6DACA15CAE1B426ABD949A95D478DAB6@DavePC>
	<60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905754@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b1001110822u50e36782qd43cefd0a6d100a3@mail.gmail.com>

for reference, i get a little over 65psi above idle with -8 lines to a wheel
arch filter.  about 30psi at a very lumpy 600rpm warm idle.  that's with a
meling m-68hv pump.
i imagine using a pump like that hides a multitude of weaknesses though.


On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>wrote:

> A guy I know had a set of lines made at a hydraulic shop for his race
> 4A-G. It wasn't quite Atlantic spec but still on the order of 220 hp and
> 8500+ RPM. He had issues with bearings until he showed us the oil lines
> - the IDs of the adapters were maybe 5/16" and while the hose OD was
> similar to what you'd see on -10 Earl's line, the ID was no more than
> 3/8".
>
> On the Ford small block, the pressure relief is built into the oil pump
> so if there is any downstream obstruction, it will dump extra oil
> overboard and the downstream pressure is reduced. However, I don't know
> offhand whether the gallery that the gauge gets its feed from is after
> the filter, or before.
>
> I have never seem over about 55 psi on my gauge, on either engine I've
> had in the car. I have the filter in the left fender with a pair of -10
> hoses, two 90 degree hose ends, and two straight ends. The block adapter
> is a ultra-low-profile homebuilt device, but internally it's got similar
> passage sizes to the Canton adapter and the one sold by Dale. For the
> kinds of RPM I can run, 55 psi is more than enough, but if I was going
> to build a high RPM engine I will be looking into that a little bit. I'd
> start with putting the oil pressure gauge on my air compressor line to
> see if it was OK, though.
>
> Cheers,
> Theo
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dave Munroe [mailto:dave at munroe.ca]
> > Sent: January 11, 2010 8:58 AM
> > To: Smit, Theo; tigers at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11
> >
> > Theo;
> >
> > This is a concept I have not considered: are you saying that
> > smaller internal diameter oil filter lines will cause a drop
> > in oil pressure to the filter? or to the engine oiling system
> > which could be seen on the oil pressure gauge?
> >
> > I have a set of "industrial" oil line hoses on my filter
> > set-up, and am not happy with my oil pressure as seen on my
> > dash mounted gauge. I haven't checked the internal dia. of
> > the hoses so I don't know if they are indeed smaller than
> > they need to be, but it would be interesting if they are a
> > factor in my overall oil pressure.
> >
> > Thanks for this bit of info.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   If you do get oil lines made at a hydraulic shop, make sure
> > they  understand that this is for a continuous-flow oiling
> > system, not for a  hydraulic application. Hydraulic hose and
> > fittings have smaller IDs than  oil hose, for the same hose
> > OD and fitting thread sizes, and you'll get  much greater
> > pressure loss in the lines.
> >
> >   Cheers,
> >  Theo
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From jteepen at usatoday.com  Mon Jan 11 09:45:39 2010
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:45:39 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Don Adams Tiger
In-Reply-To: <318116.90473.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <318116.90473.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E155441DA2E3FF@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>

The woman mentioned below is Sue Kesler.  She is a huge Get Smart fan.  She
was instrumental in the organization of the Luncheon with Don Adams several
years ago at Van Nuys Airport (Aero 5th Squadron Restaurant) sponsored by CAT,
Don Adams' last public appearance. She also has contact with Barbara Feldon,
who rarely makes any appearances.

The car in question was owned by David Sosna (I know you are reading this!)
from San Diego, and I believe it had the V-6 conversion when he got the car.
Sue bought it about 8 or 9 years ago, maybe longer, and had it painted red and
had a friend in the movie/TV prop business make the machine gun.  She did a
really good job making it look like a stock Tiger from outward appearances.

Jere

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Sandy Ganz
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:54 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Don Adams Tiger

I was working dong some car shot stuff at the TMPCC car show this last
Saturday at the CBS Radford lot and did check out the 'Tiger'. Well it is not
the original car, as were most of the 'movie replicas' that showed. It was a
really nicely done Alpine with a V6 Capri swap from the guy in San Diego that
does them. It did have the functional turret that poped a gun up and some
other Get Smart bits. Was a fun car for sure. The lady (I can't remember her
name) was nice and fun and never tried to pass the car off as a Tiger. Big
Don
Adam's signature on the visor, she was a huge Get Smart fan and that is what
prompted her to do the car ;) I'll post the link when the video goes up.
Sandy

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 11 12:29:15 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:29:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11
In-Reply-To: <39a841b1001110822u50e36782qd43cefd0a6d100a3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <454437.29635.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I started with the last post instead of the first- my bad. BUT we need to
remember that a high reading on the gauge might be misleading as the gauge is
reading what is sent to it and because resistance can increase pressure, you
might show high pressure being caused by a restriction in the entire system at
any given point. I think there are signs of a problem when the cold engine had
50 to 55 psi but at idle drops down below 20 after the engine gets warm. Also
a needle bouncing once told me I had dropped a main bearing cap which since I
shut the engine down, caused no problems- trying to start it again pushed the
rod thru the block(Alpine1725) No phone signal BUT I had tools IF I had just
dropped the pan- dirty yes- busted block- NO way. My point is if their is a
restriction in the circuit then pressure can be made to go up- like the water
hose having a spray nozzle- it builds pressure because the water flows thru a
smaller exit- same process-
 different cost. Even an engine built to turn high RPM only needs a continuous
flow of oil thru all oil galleries, bearings etc.Engine builders smooth oil
flow passages so the oil can return to the pan faster, remove an edge that
slows down oil flow thru a bearing. Use pumps that allow for more pressure
while Ford pumps have an automatic pop off system built into the pump BUT does
a non Ford oil pump, designed for a Ford engine have this same built in safety
actor? I dont think so. I also dont believe a really high number on the gauge
is necessarily good BUT a consistent number that stays the same is much better
than low pressure at any given time.
 Just my opinion.
TtT

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 11 12:36:06 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:36:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Don Adams Tiger
In-Reply-To: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E155441DA2E3FF@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
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>From eveything Ive heard about this Sue Kesler person, she is a super nice
person who has been a credit to our cars and clubs. She sets a fine example
and a higher bar. Cheers, TtT




 

From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net  Mon Jan 11 14:37:23 2010
From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:37:23 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Don Adams Tiger
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	<E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E155441DA2E3FF@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
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  :-)
Hey, Jere!
Yeah, Smitty did the conversion, I held the wrenches (and wrote the 
checks--grin). 
I saw the car at Tigers United in 2005, after she'd Get Smarte'd it--it 
looked really good! Didn't have the rocket launcher at the time, though.
Sue did a really nice job of making the car look snazzy--and it's the 
V-6 that was the 'sound-'o-the-Tiger in the recent Get Smart movie--go 
figure!

Best Regards
David (still lurking about)



Teepen, Jere wrote:
> The woman mentioned below is Sue Kesler.  She is a huge Get Smart fan.  She
> was instrumental in the organization of the Luncheon with Don Adams several
> years ago at Van Nuys Airport (Aero 5th Squadron Restaurant) sponsored by CAT,
> Don Adams' last public appearance. She also has contact with Barbara Feldon,
> who rarely makes any appearances.
>
> The car in question was owned by David Sosna (I know you are reading this!)
> from San Diego, and I believe it had the V-6 conversion when he got the car.
> Sue bought it about 8 or 9 years ago, maybe longer, and had it painted red and
> had a friend in the movie/TV prop business make the machine gun.  She did a
> really good job making it look like a stock Tiger from outward appearances.
>
> Jere

From sganz at pacbell.net  Mon Jan 11 15:36:50 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:36:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Don Adams Tiger
In-Reply-To: <899970.2352.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Yes that was my impression, super nice and friendly as well. Very nice car too.

Sandy




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Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 11:36:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Don Adams Tiger


>From eveything Ive heard about this Sue Kesler person, she is a super nice person who has been a credit to our cars and clubs. She sets a fine example and a higher bar. Cheers, TtT

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Mon Jan 11 19:36:55 2010
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (slaifman at socal.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 2:36:55 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Radiation Contamination from Rocketdyne)
Message-ID: <20100112023655.D4KNU.53169.root@cdptpa-web09-z01>

Rande,

I believe the property is just over the border of L.A./Ventura counties.

I live 4 miles (bird distance) from the site center in West Hills, L.A. County, and my son Jay is in Oak Park (Ventura County) 5.75 miles away.  Of course, at the time this happened I was employed by TRW Systems near the LAX airport, and about 40 miles south, and Jay wasn't even a gleam in my new wife's eye.

Driving a new 356S Porsche, which became a new 911S soon thereafter.

However, I was on the site testing powerful liquid hydrogen/oxygen fuel.  These liquid propellants combined after burning to become the noxious H2O (water).  BUT they were NOISY!

"Racket" - yes, contamination - no.  Now, tell us about our Tiger's products of noise and polution


---- rande <rande at thecia.net> wrote: 
> So Steve, it was YOU who was responsible for all that racket I had to put up
> with when I was living in Canoga Park during the '50s and '60s!
> 
> Roland
> 
> 
> Canoga Park? I felt it/heard it from Granada Hills in the '60s. For those who
> didn't experience this, it was the vibrational equivalent of the Great and All
> Powerful Wizard going, 'TESTING, TESTING' several times a year
> 
> I hope this doesn't cancel my welcome to TigersUnited central command on future
> Valley visits, Steve.
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From mmisso at optusnet.com.au  Tue Jan 12 04:58:29 2010
From: mmisso at optusnet.com.au (Marianne & Darrel Misso)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:58:29 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Patriot heads on a Tiger
Message-ID: <003401ca937e$8f4ef800$01fa6f3a@user9fcd9ac222>

Hi Guys. Has anyone used Patriot Cylinder Heads (P/N 1102) on a Tiger?
I am interested in knowing any potentioal clearence issues with the firewall.

I am also considering using these with PRO-66911 roller rockers from Summit
and a pair of repro LAT Tiger valve covers from Sunbeam Specialities.


Any experience or advice would be helpful.


--
Regards

Darrel Misso

From shutchin at netjets.com  Tue Jan 12 05:14:24 2010
From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:14:24 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Patriot heads on a Tiger
Message-ID: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D408965FBB@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>

On a 260?

Scott Hutchinson
Director of Operations
NetJets Large Aircraft

Office 860.292.1191
Mobile 843.290.2805

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Sent: Tue Jan 12 06:58:29 2010
Subject: [Tigers] Patriot heads on a Tiger

Hi Guys. Has anyone used Patriot Cylinder Heads (P/N 1102) on a Tiger?
I am interested in knowing any potentioal clearence issues with the firewall.

I am also considering using these with PRO-66911 roller rockers from Summit
and a pair of repro LAT Tiger valve covers from Sunbeam Specialities.


Any experience or advice would be helpful.


--
Regards

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From lpaulick at comcast.net  Tue Jan 12 06:33:22 2010
From: lpaulick at comcast.net (Larry Paulick)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:33:22 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Patriot heads on a Tiger
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I am using Ford true roller rockers, purchased from Summit.  Work great, 
quality made, good price, and they fit the LAT valve covers, after you 
take the baffle out.

Larry

Marianne & Darrel Misso wrote:

>Hi Guys. Has anyone used Patriot Cylinder Heads (P/N 1102) on a Tiger?
>I am interested in knowing any potentioal clearence issues with the firewall.
>
>I am also considering using these with PRO-66911 roller rockers from Summit
>and a pair of repro LAT Tiger valve covers from Sunbeam Specialities.
>
>
>Any experience or advice would be helpful.
>
>
>--
>Regards
>
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From bmer739956 at aol.com  Tue Jan 12 08:00:58 2010
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:00:58 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Please unsubscribe this email address.
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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 12 10:46:21 2010
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:46:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Patriot heads on a Tiger
In-Reply-To: <003401ca937e$8f4ef800$01fa6f3a@user9fcd9ac222>
Message-ID: <598535.40034.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I use Proform roller rockers, #66911, with the original chrome valve covers on
Edelbrock heads on my Tiger. I have tried ProComp and Crane roller rockers,
but they are too tall for the original chrome valve covers.
 
Gary

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, Marianne & Darrel Misso <mmisso at optusnet.com.au> wrote:


From: Marianne & Darrel Misso <mmisso at optusnet.com.au>
Subject: [Tigers] Patriot heads on a Tiger
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 3:58 AM


Hi Guys. Has anyone used Patriot Cylinder Heads (P/N 1102) on a Tiger?
I am interested in knowing any potentioal clearence issues with the firewall.

I am also considering using these with PRO-66911 roller rockers from Summit
and a pair of repro LAT Tiger valve covers from Sunbeam Specialities.


Any experience or advice would be helpful.


--
Regards

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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 15:33:50 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:33:50 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Patriot heads on a Tiger
In-Reply-To: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D408965FBB@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>
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2010/1/12 Scott Hutchinson <shutchin at netjets.com>

> On a 260?
>
I believe Darrell is gogint ot be using them on a 5 bolt 289 with a 302
crank.

So has anyone run the patriot heads? Or have any good info/comparisons with
GT40 or edelbrock heads?


-- 
Regards

Michael King

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 12 17:49:13 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:49:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Patriot heads on a Tiger & a valve cover tip
Message-ID: <38437.6852.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I applaude Gary for his post. Its information of this nature that saves
others"trial and error", looking for a set of roller rockers that fit under
OEM valve covers. To add a tip from me, that everyone might know BUT if it
helps just one member its worth my time.
 
When installing new valve cover gaskets, I tie the gasket to the valve cover
w/ the knot on the outside, using light string or fishing line. This will hold
the gasket in place so you can start a bolt w/ washer(s) of choice.I prefer a
stainless lock on top of a stainless flat, just large enough for the OD of the
flat to keep the lock from scoring the valve cover- they do come in diferent
OD with the ID the  correct size for the bolt. Prior to tightening the bolts,
clip the string (sharp knife)  and pull it out w/ neddle nose pliers. I have
also used RTV blue or black to the thick black rubber and reuseable gaskets. I
glue the gasket to the valve cover- using bolts to keep the holes centered
over the valve cover holes.Prior to installing the valve cover I rub a very
light film of grease to the runners on the head. This keeps the gasket stuck &
sealed to the valve cover and when torqued the grease helps it to not leak
but allows removal from the head later on when or if the lifters need
adjusted, the gasket doesnt stick and is easily reused. Remember DO NOT OVER
TORQUE the  1/4 inch , (Im guessing,) sized bolts s the OEM valve covers bend
easily and the new gaskets require a t more torque to reuse or RTV to both
sides, which makes cleam up tougher on the heads- with the valve cover
removed

From: Gary <maliburevue at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Patriot heads on a Tiger
To: tigers at autox.team.net, "Marianne & Darrel Misso" <mmisso at optusnet.com.au>
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 11:46 AM


I use Proform roller rockers, #66911, with the original chrome valve covers
on
Edelbrock heads on my Tiger. I have tried ProComp and Crane roller rockers,
but they are too tall for the original chrome valve covers



Hi Guys. Has anyone used Patriot Cylinder Heads (P/N 1102) on a Tiger?
I am interested in knowing any potentioal clearence issues with the firewall.

I am also considering using these with PRO-66911 roller rockers from Summit
and a pair of repro LAT Tiger valve covers from Sunbeam Specialities.


Any experience or advice would be helpful.


--
Regards

Darrel Misso
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From artschroeder45 at msn.com  Wed Jan 13 07:13:53 2010
From: artschroeder45 at msn.com (PRISCILLA SCHROEDER)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:13:53 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Need Strikers and toggle catches
Message-ID: <SNT104-W635DAAF40C5620149480F4D06B0@phx.gbl>

Hi Tigers - I'm looking  for a good pair of strikers and toggle catches to get
my tiger back on the road.



Does anyone have any to spare and willing to sell/trade?  thanks,

ar

From tcprager at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 13 07:28:54 2010
From: tcprager at hotmail.com (Thomas Prager)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:28:54 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] strikers and toggle catches
Message-ID: <SNT111-DS17CA6CC831D35A92C7EC47CB6B0@phx.gbl>

Try this source in the Netherlands. Request that the package be opened and
inspected for good quality chrome. The owner speaks good English should you
want to call him and he has been reliable.....

http://www.rootesparts.com/id103.htm<http://www.rootesparts.com/id103.htm>


tom

From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Wed Jan 13 12:10:55 2010
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:10:55 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11
In-Reply-To: <6DACA15CAE1B426ABD949A95D478DAB6@DavePC>
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Dave,List

The normal pickup point for the oil gauge is after the filter (the point
just above the filter). So what you are reading on the gauge is actual
pressure going to the engine, but what is unknown is the volume of oil going
to the engine.  Now if one has good bearings and the engine is tight one can
assume that there is enough volume of oil going to all of the parts because
the pressure is high. However if you have loose (racing) tolerances the pump
might not be able to supply enough volume of oil to get the pressure you
want.  The same thing might happen with a "restriction" in the oil lines
prior to, or after, in the case of a remote filter.

All oil pumps that I know of have a bypass relief valve.  Nothing more than
a ball held in place by a spring of enough pressure to relieve pressure at a
predetermined pressure.  I know of no way of determining just what that
pressure is, however when you first start a cold engine it's a safe bet that
the highest pressure you are seeing is the pop off pressure. These are
positive displacement pumps so the oil has to go someplace.

When I buy a new oil pump I'm more interested in a higher volume pump than a
higher pressure pump.  If I had a "racing" engine the higher pressure would
be a better bet.

To get a higher pressure you need to change the relief spring, to get higher
volume you need a "taller" pump, one where the Gerotor is thicker (that also
gives higher pressure).

Jerry Christopherson
9473187

     

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Dave Munroe
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:58 AM
To: Smit, Theo; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11

Theo;

This is a concept I have not considered: are you saying that smaller 
internal diameter oil filter lines will cause a drop in oil pressure to the 
filter? or to the engine oiling system which could be seen on the oil 
pressure gauge?

I have a set of "industrial" oil line hoses on my filter set-up, and am not 
happy with my oil pressure as seen on my dash mounted gauge. I haven't 
checked the internal dia. of the hoses so I don't know if they are indeed 
smaller than they need to be, but it would be interesting if they are a 
factor in my overall oil pressure.

Thanks for this bit of info.

Dave




  If you do get oil lines made at a hydraulic shop, make sure they
 understand that this is for a continuous-flow oiling system, not for a
 hydraulic application. Hydraulic hose and fittings have smaller IDs than
 oil hose, for the same hose OD and fitting thread sizes, and you'll get
 much greater pressure loss in the lines.

  Cheers,
 Theo
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Wed Jan 13 13:50:19 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:50:19 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump)
References: <d55.66915af1.387a48f8@aol.com><60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905752@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
	<6DACA15CAE1B426ABD949A95D478DAB6@DavePC>
	<3ACCD2B9C82B4D8686A74D3A43C7A289@jerry>
Message-ID: <6C3AB1FCD2EF49EDB6A6451CE6B8985F@student2>

Interesting discussion.   Wouldn't volume increases be limited to the 
passage diameters? And then by the amount of leakage at bearings, lifters 
rockers etc.. Or is it that the leakage points exceed the capacity of the 
oil passage?  Frankly I don't know.

It seems if  you have any oil pressure at all the oil passages must be full 
and then only pressure would increase volume. What I'm trying to get at is 
it seems volume and pressure have to go hand in hand and ultimately aren't 
independent of each other.  But, I guess (excluding the relief valve 
setting) a higher volume pump would ultimately have more potential pressure 
capability also.

  My mental reasoning is starting to seem like the gears in the oil pump. 
Regardless of rotation they keep meet up at the same point.

Tom 

From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 13 16:21:29 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:21:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump)
In-Reply-To: <6C3AB1FCD2EF49EDB6A6451CE6B8985F@student2>
Message-ID: <609320.27190.qm@web111606.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Just the other day at the Indy Car Show, they had a vendor
selling a product that coats the inside of the engine and you
can it run without any oil what so ever.  He had a SBC
running with the oil pan completely off. He even drove it
around.
 
No oil, No problem.
 
His next product is a 299 mpg carburator that Detroit and the
oil companies ahve been hiding.
 
Dave -  go Colts

--- On Wed, 1/13/10, Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net> wrote:


From: Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump)
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 8:50 PM


Interesting discussion.   Wouldn't volume increases be limited to the passage
diameters? And then by the amount of leakage at bearings, lifters rockers
etc.. Or is it that the leakage points exceed the capacity of the oil
passage?  Frankly I don't know.

It seems if  you have any oil pressure at all the oil passages must be full
and then only pressure would increase volume. What I'm trying to get at is it
seems volume and pressure have to go hand in hand and ultimately aren't
independent of each other.  But, I guess (excluding the relief valve setting)
a higher volume pump would ultimately have more potential pressure capability
also.

My mental reasoning is starting to seem like the gears in the oil pump.
Regardless of rotation they keep meet up at the same point.

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From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Wed Jan 13 16:48:29 2010
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:48:29 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump)
In-Reply-To: <6C3AB1FCD2EF49EDB6A6451CE6B8985F@student2>
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	<6C3AB1FCD2EF49EDB6A6451CE6B8985F@student2>
Message-ID: <7480D892FF5F4419A7B61F56AD93D55A@jerry>

Well, of course you are absolutely right, if you increase pressure the
volume will increase.  I guess the bottom line is that you always need to
have more pressure and volume than can leak out of all the bearings,
lifters, etc. at all RPMs and temperatures. 

Jerry Christopherson
9473187

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Thomas Witt
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:50 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump)

Interesting discussion.   Wouldn't volume increases be limited to the 
passage diameters? And then by the amount of leakage at bearings, lifters 
rockers etc.. Or is it that the leakage points exceed the capacity of the 
oil passage?  Frankly I don't know.

It seems if  you have any oil pressure at all the oil passages must be full 
and then only pressure would increase volume. What I'm trying to get at is 
it seems volume and pressure have to go hand in hand and ultimately aren't 
independent of each other.  But, I guess (excluding the relief valve 
setting) a higher volume pump would ultimately have more potential pressure 
capability also.

  My mental reasoning is starting to seem like the gears in the oil pump. 
Regardless of rotation they keep meet up at the same point.

Tom 
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From coolvt at aol.com  Wed Jan 13 16:48:23 2010
From: coolvt at aol.com (coolvt at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:48:23 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump)
Message-ID: <14f1b.11e0466.387fb5c7@aol.com>

LOL, ask him to drain the pan of his Mercedes sitting in the parking lot,  
add some of his magic tonic and drive the car home. Now that would should 
his  confidence in the product.
M
 
 
In a message dated 1/13/2010 6:22:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
djoh797014 at yahoo.com writes:

Just the  other day at the Indy Car Show, they had a vendor
selling a product that  coats the inside of the engine and you
can it run without any oil what so  ever.  He had a SBC
running with the oil pan completely off. He even  drove it
around.

From bamcnulty at optonline.net  Wed Jan 13 17:10:10 2010
From: bamcnulty at optonline.net (Tony McNulty)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:10:10 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump)
References: <609320.27190.qm@web111606.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <706F612F54D8402C9F5B5558DB76E929@your4dacd0ea75>

and his race results are .... ?????






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From: "David T Johnson" <djoh797014 at yahoo.com>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>; "Thomas Witt" <atwittsend at verizon.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump)


> Just the other day at the Indy Car Show, they had a vendor
> selling a product that coats the inside of the engine and you
> can it run without any oil what so ever.  He had a SBC
> running with the oil pan completely off. He even drove it
> around.
>
> No oil, No problem.
>
> His next product is a 299 mpg carburator that Detroit and the
> oil companies ahve been hiding.
>
> Dave -  go Colts
>
> --- On Wed, 1/13/10, Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump)
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 8:50 PM
>
>
> Interesting discussion.   Wouldn't volume increases be limited to the 
> passage
> diameters? And then by the amount of leakage at bearings, lifters rockers
> etc.. Or is it that the leakage points exceed the capacity of the oil
> passage?  Frankly I don't know.
>
> It seems if  you have any oil pressure at all the oil passages must be 
> full
> and then only pressure would increase volume. What I'm trying to get at is 
> it
> seems volume and pressure have to go hand in hand and ultimately aren't
> independent of each other.  But, I guess (excluding the relief valve 
> setting)
> a higher volume pump would ultimately have more potential pressure 
> capability
> also.
>
> My mental reasoning is starting to seem like the gears in the oil pump.
> Regardless of rotation they keep meet up at the same point.
>
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From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Wed Jan 13 19:43:13 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:43:13 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Help with installing 3.07:1 rear gears, please!
Message-ID: <C773EEF1.793%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

I am getting ready to install a posi with a 3.07 gear in my Mark 1A Tiger.
I know this might seem like a dumb question to the experts, but I think all
of the new or recent pinions out there now have 26 fine splines and the
original 2.88 pinions had 10 coarse splines.  So when I install the 3.07
gear and pinion, I already know that I won't be able to connect my
driveshaft to the new pinion because the splines won't be able to mate up.

I think this can be resolved by changing the companion flange to one that
bolts onto the driveshaft the same as the original, but bolts to a pinion
with 26 splines.  There are two problems with that:  First, I have no idea
what manufacturer or part number I would need.  Second, I don't know who
would be able to sell it to me and how much it will cost!  Can anyone help
me with this information, please?  Thanks!!! 

From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Wed Jan 13 21:20:59 2010
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:20:59 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Help with installing 3.07:1 rear gears, please!
In-Reply-To: <C773EEF1.793%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
References: <C773EEF1.793%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <D326F3C4F53F4CFBB9FBEC9F144275AC@jerry>

Mauro,

Seems to me if you went to a driveshaft shop they could fix you up with the
yoke you need to fit a Dana 44.

Jerry Christopherson
9473187

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:43 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Help with installing 3.07:1 rear gears, please!

I am getting ready to install a posi with a 3.07 gear in my Mark 1A Tiger.
I know this might seem like a dumb question to the experts, but I think all
of the new or recent pinions out there now have 26 fine splines and the
original 2.88 pinions had 10 coarse splines.  So when I install the 3.07
gear and pinion, I already know that I won't be able to connect my
driveshaft to the new pinion because the splines won't be able to mate up.

I think this can be resolved by changing the companion flange to one that
bolts onto the driveshaft the same as the original, but bolts to a pinion
with 26 splines.  There are two problems with that:  First, I have no idea
what manufacturer or part number I would need.  Second, I don't know who
would be able to sell it to me and how much it will cost!  Can anyone help
me with this information, please?  Thanks!!! 
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From mk1a67 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 21:51:09 2010
From: mk1a67 at gmail.com (Cliff Alexander)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:51:09 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Help with installing 3.07:1 rear gears, please!
In-Reply-To: <D326F3C4F53F4CFBB9FBEC9F144275AC@jerry>
References: <C773EEF1.793%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
	<D326F3C4F53F4CFBB9FBEC9F144275AC@jerry>
Message-ID: <8abbe6e01001132051q3fd39957pdc1df2ab29718606@mail.gmail.com>

Mauro--  Contact Tom Hall at modtiger at comcast.net, he recently sold me one
for the exact same reason you want one.
     Cliff

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 8:20 PM, Jerry & Maureen (Mo) <
JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net> wrote:

> Mauro,
>
> Seems to me if you went to a driveshaft shop they could fix you up with the
> yoke you need to fit a Dana 44.
>
> Jerry Christopherson
> 9473187
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:43 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Help with installing 3.07:1 rear gears, please!
>
> I am getting ready to install a posi with a 3.07 gear in my Mark 1A Tiger.
> I know this might seem like a dumb question to the experts, but I think all
> of the new or recent pinions out there now have 26 fine splines and the
> original 2.88 pinions had 10 coarse splines.  So when I install the 3.07
> gear and pinion, I already know that I won't be able to connect my
> driveshaft to the new pinion because the splines won't be able to mate up.
>
> I think this can be resolved by changing the companion flange to one that
> bolts onto the driveshaft the same as the original, but bolts to a pinion
> with 26 splines.  There are two problems with that:  First, I have no idea
> what manufacturer or part number I would need.  Second, I don't know who
> would be able to sell it to me and how much it will cost!  Can anyone help
> me with this information, please?  Thanks!!!
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From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 14 05:44:54 2010
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:44:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump)
In-Reply-To: <7480D892FF5F4419A7B61F56AD93D55A@jerry>
Message-ID: <29904.85807.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi,
     This is, indeed , a very interesting thread..When I was racing in the
SCCA club races in the mid 60's, we had to really watch the pressure and
volume going to the rod and main berings..The 1622ccMG series A engine in our
Elva Courrier had problems with too much pressure..We experienced situations
where the pressure would actually scour the bering material out of the bering
shells..actually scoop out the babbit material or at least peel the outter
layer of it off. We found tha careful radius work around the oil entry holes
to the berings, along with the correct volume and pressure of oil, when at
operating temps, would allow us to lubricate the engine without ripping the
bering shells apart..Has anyone run into this problem?
zym

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Wed, 1/13/10, Jerry & Maureen (Mo) <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net> wrote:


From: Jerry & Maureen (Mo) <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump)
To: "'Thomas Witt'" <atwittsend at verizon.net>, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 6:48 PM


Well, of course you are absolutely right, if you increase pressure the
volume will increase.  I guess the bottom line is that you always need to
have more pressure and volume than can leak out of all the bearings,
lifters, etc. at all RPMs and temperatures.

Jerry Christopherson
9473187

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Thomas Witt
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:50 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump)

Interesting discussion.   Wouldn't volume increases be limited to the
passage diameters? And then by the amount of leakage at bearings, lifters
rockers etc.. Or is it that the leakage points exceed the capacity of the
oil passage?  Frankly I don't know.

It seems if  you have any oil pressure at all the oil passages must be full
and then only pressure would increase volume. What I'm trying to get at is
it seems volume and pressure have to go hand in hand and ultimately aren't
independent of each other.  But, I guess (excluding the relief valve
setting) a higher volume pump would ultimately have more potential pressure
capability also.

  My mental reasoning is starting to seem like the gears in the oil pump.
Regardless of rotation they keep meet up at the same point.

Tom
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From carmods at aol.com  Thu Jan 14 07:00:33 2010
From: carmods at aol.com (carmods at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:00:33 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pumps
Message-ID: <1b08.726664ad.38807d81@aol.com>

Jerry  Christopherson
 
Congratulations. Your description of oil pumps and oil pressure  is 
distinct, accurate and complete. 
 
John Logan

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Thu Jan 14 08:27:29 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:27:29 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump)
In-Reply-To: <29904.85807.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <7480D892FF5F4419A7B61F56AD93D55A@jerry>
	<29904.85807.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905775@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

I've never heard of that... Sounds like a major manufacturing defect on
the bearings to me, unless it did somehow have to do with the engine
assembly procedure.

My understanding is that the oil flowing between the bearing shell and
the rotating assembly forms a wedge of lubricant and prevents metal to
metal contact. If the bearing clearances are too tight, then your oil
pressure will be high but there won't be enough flow to maintain the
wedge at higher RPMs and you'll wipe the babbitt material off the shell
(and then the copper... Etc.). Higher RPM operation and higher load
operation requires a thicker oil film and therefore more crank to
bearing clearance, which in turn requires more oil pump output volume at
any given pressure.

Maybe the oil was being preferentially directed away from the main
pressure point (relative to crank rotation) on your engine and therefore
you needed (a) to radius the oil passages and (b) loosen the bearing to
crank clearances to increase the flow to the parts of the crank that
needed it most.

I seized the engine in my Pinto (when I was 17) due to the pickup tube
becoming detached from the oil pump, which destroyed the bearings and
required the crank to be turned 10 or 20 under to clean up. When I was
racing Toyotas, we used stock Clevite bearings on a stock polished
crank, and never had a bearing issue even with more than double the
stock output and sustained 7000+ RPM operation.

With the smallblock Ford, I think a critical thing related to the oil
pump operation, especially with high pressure/high output pumps is the
oil pump driveshaft and the distributor gear. Those parts have to
transfer the several horsepower required to run the oil pump and any
additional load you put on the oil pump means that the shaft and gear
get extra wear and tear.

Cheers,
Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Howard gentry
> Sent: January 14, 2010 5:45 AM
> To: Jerry & Maureen (Mo)
> Cc: tiger list
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump)
>
> Hi,
>      This is, indeed , a very interesting thread..When I was
> racing in the SCCA club races in the mid 60's, we had to
> really watch the pressure and volume going to the rod and
> main berings..The 1622ccMG series A engine in our Elva
> Courrier had problems with too much pressure..We experienced
> situations where the pressure would actually scour the bering
> material out of the bering shells..actually scoop out the
> babbit material or at least peel the outter layer of it off.
> We found tha careful radius work around the oil entry holes
> to the berings, along with the correct volume and pressure of
> oil, when at operating temps, would allow us to lubricate the
> engine without ripping the bering shells apart..Has anyone
> run into this problem?
> zym
>
> The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

From sganz at pacbell.net  Thu Jan 14 11:58:24 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:58:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 11 (oil pump)
In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905775@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
References: <7480D892FF5F4419A7B61F56AD93D55A@jerry>
	<29904.85807.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905775@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <739444.28514.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Late as always to the oil pump talk -

For the SB Ford the weak point in the system is the hex drive. I can tell you first hand that when they twist off you can only run 20-30 seconds full throttle before the engine will seize up ;). Also any one that I have talked to about SBF pumps for racing engines seem to sway towards high volume not the high pressure pumps and never use a stock pump drive shaft in HP applications (Get an ARP or other high grade one). I brought this up before but the lines on the tiger oil systems are not something I would use on any performance motor that is used hard. I would say -10's would be minimum as I think the tigers stock is -8 and not high flow hose or fittings for that matter. I try to run -12 line for oil stuff works great except if the oil pump shaft fails...

Lots of 2 cents -)



Sandy

From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Thu Jan 14 12:40:09 2010
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:40:09 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Oil pump shafts
Message-ID: <9160DDD53CA84167B31A1E9813BA2B76@jerry>

List,

 

Someone talked about another important aspect of this oil pump saga, and
that is the pump shaft.  Most of you know that have preoiled a fresh engine
it takes a lot of energy to turn the pump shaft (counterclockwise of
course).  I've see 3/8 inch drills start to smoke while doing it. (1/2 inch
drills are better).  I've also seen pictures of the original shafts twisted
up like a red licorice candy stick, and some that were snapped in half.  I
prefer to use Motorsport shaft # M-6605-B302 it has a lot more strength to
it.  About $15.00 or so.  I just like the fact that it is stronger.  It
always amazes me when people start up a cold engine and rev it up to several
thousand RPM how that little skinny shaft doesn't snap.

When I used to fly the "big round engines" like the R2800 (18 cly,2800CI)
When we first fired up the oil pressure would peg at 200 PSI we would have
to wait quite a while before the pressure would come down enough to increase
the RPM above idle.  If I remember there was a 30 gal tank of oil in the
nacelle, took a while to get it warm.

 

 

Jerry Christopherson

9473187

From sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net  Thu Jan 14 13:38:49 2010
From: sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net (Paul R Sheahan)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:38:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Seattle Help - Non Tiger Related
Message-ID: <744032.9019.qm@web83707.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Listers,
      This is a request for some help.  I have located a car that I have been
looking for in the Seattle area.  Is there anyone in the Seattle area that
would be willing to take a look at it for me.  It is a '99 Mercedes S420.  I
used to own one and miss the big heavy German iron.
      Thanks for any help.

Paul
Paul R Sheahan

From rollright at aol.com  Thu Jan 14 16:13:19 2010
From: rollright at aol.com (rollright at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:13:19 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Horns
Message-ID: <1224a.2beb2ed5.3880ff0f@aol.com>

Hello,
 
Anybody know the current drain of a properly functioning Clear Hooter  horn 
? 
 It may be different for Hi and Low.
 
Best,
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Thu Jan 14 16:19:47 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:19:47 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Horns
In-Reply-To: <1224a.2beb2ed5.3880ff0f@aol.com>
References: <1224a.2beb2ed5.3880ff0f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905779@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

The spec is in the repair manual, I think it's 3.5 amps or something
like that. The horns are LOUD when you get the current there...
Apologies to my neighbors for last March ;)

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
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> Sent: January 14, 2010 4:13 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Horns
>
> Hello,
>
> Anybody know the current drain of a properly functioning
> Clear Hooter  horn ?
>  It may be different for Hi and Low.
>
> Best,
>
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A 382002083
> LRXFE
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Thu Jan 14 16:37:37 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:37:37 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Horns
In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905779@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
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	<60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905779@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D1570190577A@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

The manual
http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmN27.asp
Actually says "not more than 5 amps". As I recall, I found a different
online resource that had the 3.5 amp number but I can't find it right
now.

The current spec for the two horns is the same as far as I know. Driving
them from a relay makes all the difference in the world when they're in
the car...

Theo

From scattt at verizon.net  Thu Jan 14 17:50:59 2010
From: scattt at verizon.net (Scattt)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:50:59 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Clessie at Daytona Beach in 1930
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From sganz at pacbell.net  Thu Jan 14 19:47:38 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:47:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Oil pump shafts
In-Reply-To: <9160DDD53CA84167B31A1E9813BA2B76@jerry>
References: <9160DDD53CA84167B31A1E9813BA2B76@jerry>
Message-ID: <617279.44916.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Use at least the motorsports part or the ARP version.  The one that I twisted up was a ford motorsports version but honestly it was time for the motor to blow and likely the cold day and big oil cooler and operator not letting oil get hot before the run is what may have overloaded the shaft. I'm guessing a limitied amount of oil can be bypassed by the regulator and with cold engine, thick oil, and a couple of 8K overrevs was a bad combination. "Live, learn and spend" was the motto on that  ;) This BTW is on the race car not a stock motor. 

Sandy


----- Original Message ----
From: Jerry & Maureen (Mo) <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net>
To: TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 11:40:09 AM
Subject: [Tigers] Oil pump shafts

List,



Someone talked about another important aspect of this oil pump saga, and
that is the pump shaft.  Most of you know that have preoiled a fresh engine
it takes a lot of energy to turn the pump shaft (counterclockwise of
course).  I've see 3/8 inch drills start to smoke while doing it. (1/2 inch
drills are better).  I've also seen pictures of the original shafts twisted
up like a red licorice candy stick, and some that were snapped in half.  I
prefer to use Motorsport shaft # M-6605-B302 it has a lot more strength to
it.  About $15.00 or so.  I just like the fact that it is stronger.  It
always amazes me when people start up a cold engine and rev it up to several
thousand RPM how that little skinny shaft doesn't snap.

When I used to fly the "big round engines" like the R2800 (18 cly,2800CI)
When we first fired up the oil pressure would peg at 200 PSI we would have
to wait quite a while before the pressure would come down enough to increase
the RPM above idle.  If I remember there was a 30 gal tank of oil in the
nacelle, took a while to get it warm.





Jerry Christopherson

9473187
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From jeff.eakin at comcast.net  Fri Jan 15 13:50:00 2010
From: jeff.eakin at comcast.net (Jeff Eakin)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:50:00 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Horns
Message-ID: <C7762308.111A%jeff.eakin@comcast.net>

While putting in some horn hole blocking plates in my MK-II I noticed my
High horn wasn't working. Then later while I was looking through my old
Tiger parts and came across a set of horns that I took off that car a few
years ago when restoring it. I remember taking them off because they were
not the metal clear hooters that I was familiar with. These ones are made of
plastic but look very similar to the early clear hooters. They have no
adjusting screw and the mounting brackets are exactly the same as the early
horns. They are branded HELLA. Someone just told me that the later Tigers
(MK-II's included) used a different kind of horn. During the restoration I
replaced the HELLA plastic ones with a set of original clear hooters that I
found. Now I'm starting to wander if I took off the correct horns. Anybody
know? Not that It's all that important but did the High horn go on the
drivers side and the Low horn on the passenger side?

From spook01 at comcast.net  Sun Jan 17 15:15:12 2010
From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:15:12 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] valve covers....
Message-ID: <A698ABE1507A48F5BFEFFC202BF23A6F@yourpd3mh0abgs>

someone wrote that they had found new stock valve covers, good quality, for a
good price.  what was the site mentioned?
Best,
Ray

From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 17 15:36:11 2010
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:36:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] valve covers....
In-Reply-To: <A698ABE1507A48F5BFEFFC202BF23A6F@yourpd3mh0abgs>
Message-ID: <932519.66263.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

C5ZZ-6A582-C/D
Most everyone sells them for $69.95, but Laurel Mountain Mustang has them for
$59.95
 
Gary

--- On Sun, 1/17/10, spook01 <spook01 at comcast.net> wrote:


From: spook01 <spook01 at comcast.net>
Subject: [Tigers] valve covers....
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 2:15 PM


someone wrote that they had found new stock valve covers, good quality, for a
good price.  what was the site mentioned?
Best,
Ray
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 15:44:41 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:44:41 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Tired Tiger
Message-ID: <d86d088a1001171444r78994a63nc470780978092706@mail.gmail.com>

Not sure if this is that tiger at gullwing garrages in NY.. seems t have a
Sun tach too.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/34107011 at N08/4277129082/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34107011 at N08/4276383809/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pappyb77/4274403619/
*http://www.flickr.com/photos/34107011 at N08/4277129032/*


-- 
Regards

Michael King

From scattt at verizon.net  Sun Jan 17 15:54:10 2010
From: scattt at verizon.net (Scattt)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:54:10 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] valve covers....
References: <A698ABE1507A48F5BFEFFC202BF23A6F@yourpd3mh0abgs>
Message-ID: <28F97281AB1347E089DCCE4D7556C537@NicksDellPC>

National Parts Depot     #6582-20 for $79.95
----- Original Message ----- >

From spook01 at comcast.net  Sun Jan 17 18:09:50 2010
From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:09:50 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] valve covers....
References: <932519.66263.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0F68620D747B4930861D473CD5F3D4FC@yourpd3mh0abgs>

thanks guys!
Best,
Ray


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Gary
  To: tigers at autox.team.net ; spook01
  Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 4:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] valve covers....


        C5ZZ-6A582-C/D
        Most everyone sells them for $69.95, but Laurel Mountain Mustang has
them for $59.95

        Gary

        --- On Sun, 1/17/10, spook01 <spook01 at comcast.net> wrote:


          From: spook01 <spook01 at comcast.net>
          Subject: [Tigers] valve covers....
          To: tigers at autox.team.net
          Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 2:15 PM


          someone wrote that they had found new stock valve covers, good
quality, for a
          good price.  what was the site mentioned?
          Best,
          Ray
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Jan 18 08:36:42 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:36:42 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tired Tiger
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a1001171444r78994a63nc470780978092706@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d86d088a1001171444r78994a63nc470780978092706@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D1570190577F@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

The tags on flickr (for the 3rd link) say "Upstate South Carolina" and
"Spartanburg County".

autoTrader.nl (the caption on the first and second link) would point to
the Netherlands, but the license plate isn't Dutch.

Theo

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Jan 18 10:53:36 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:53:36 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop....
Message-ID: <4B54A020.20108@mayfco.com>

Some of my local associates are from Alaska. One has a MKII up there 
that he is putting back together. At the Geezer Technology Conference 
this morning, he indicated that he was in need of a hard top.  So until 
he gets signed up for the list, I am asking the group if ther eis one or 
many of you who have a hard top for sale to contact me and I will pass 
this along to another associate where he is parked for a few days.   He 
wants something in reasonable conditon but it need not be a restored 
top, just in pretty good shape.  If you will PM me with a pix or two and 
your asking price I will be as happy as a pig in , well, you know....

mayf

From rande at thecia.net  Mon Jan 18 15:50:13 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:50:13 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] rat tiger reg plate
Message-ID: <4b54e5a5.188c.0@thecia.net>

The plate looks very much like the Maryland one. Anyone like Tom Calvert care
to chime in and tell us from about what year they think it's from?

RB

From Parlanti at comcast.net  Mon Jan 18 16:30:35 2010
From: Parlanti at comcast.net (Joe Parlanti)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:30:35 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] rat tiger reg plate
In-Reply-To: <4b54e5a5.188c.0@thecia.net>
References: <4b54e5a5.188c.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <000301ca9896$3ccaf210$b660d630$@net>

That is definitely a Maryland plate. I wonder if the car is still insured...
The government here is very strict about turning in plates for cars that
have been sold or are no longer insured. The fines are $150 for the first 30
days and $7 / day thereafter. BTW, Maryland allows the use of original
plates for the year of the car. I found a nice set of '66 plates for mine.
It's only a $20 fee, and you basically carry both the historic and original
year registration cards with you.

Joe Parlanti
B382000026 (Well insured in Md.)

Joseph V. Parlanti
16048 Copen Meadow Dr
North Potomac, Md. 20878
Cell - 301-461-0626
Email - Parlanti at comcast.net

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of rande
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 5:50 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] rat tiger reg plate

The plate looks very much like the Maryland one. Anyone like Tom Calvert
care
to chime in and tell us from about what year they think it's from?

RB

From v8cat at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 16:32:34 2010
From: v8cat at yahoo.com (v8cat)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:32:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] 427 Tiger
In-Reply-To: <000301ca9896$3ccaf210$b660d630$@net>
Message-ID: <445126.36115.qm@web32801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Nice article on a 427 Tiger in this months Hot Rod magazine. 

From coolvt at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 20:37:23 2010
From: coolvt at aol.com (coolvt at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:37:23 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Valet parking - non Tiger
Message-ID: <1ab77.1cb07607.3887d473@aol.com>

This will want to make you leave your car!
 
_http://autos.aol.com/article/hotel-valets-destroy-cars_ 
(http://autos.aol.com/article/hotel-valets-destroy-cars) 

From mwood24020 at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 21:20:09 2010
From: mwood24020 at aol.com (mwood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:20:09 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon auction
Message-ID: <1b669.2ad2bb40.3887de79@aol.com>

_http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.ht
ml_ 
(http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.html) 
 
 
The all original (well, mostly) Carnival Red survivor that once called the  
Guerra "Garage Mahal" home is going across the block on Saturday, I  see.
 
Any guesses on final bid? I'm not sure, but given some of the recent  
auction results (general, not Tiger specific), I'm guessing it doesn't get to  
reserve...so, maybe bidding stalls just north of $50k?
 
We'll find out on Saturday...

From mwood24020 at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 22:18:27 2010
From: mwood24020 at aol.com (mwood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 00:18:27 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon  auction
Message-ID: <1c01c.37442261.3887ec23@aol.com>

Just read what I sent...and wanted to clarify one thing, before anyone  
thinks I'm taking an unfair shot at what is a wonderful Tiger. My "mostly"  
original comment wasn't implying anything other than the fact that it is  
impossible to have a 44 year old car, that has been driven and used, entirely  
"original"...
 
As far as price, while I think the car is one of the better Tigers I've  
seen (if you like the "survivor" type of car), the current atmosphere for  
auctions doesn't seem to support new record type prices, which I believe the  
reserve might be close to...total guess, no real knowledge.
 
It will be interesting, in any case.
 
Mike
 
 
In a message dated 1/19/2010 8:45:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
mwood24020 at aol.com writes:

_http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.ht
ml_  
(http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.ht
ml)  


The all original (well, mostly) Carnival Red survivor that once  called the 
 
Guerra "Garage Mahal" home is going across the block on  Saturday, I  see.

Any guesses on final bid? I'm not sure, but  given some of the recent  
auction results (general, not Tiger  specific), I'm guessing it doesn't get 
to  
reserve...so, maybe  bidding stalls just north of $50k?

We'll find out on  Saturday...
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From coolvt at aol.com  Wed Jan 20 06:34:07 2010
From: coolvt at aol.com (coolvt at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:34:07 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Another Tiger at auction
Message-ID: <3531.6fda35d4.3888604f@aol.com>

This is coming at auction at the end of January in Florida.  I hope to  get 
to the auction and see the car.
Mark L
 
_http://mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0110-88682&entryRow=611_ 
(http://mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0110-88682&entryRow=611) 

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Wed Jan 20 11:22:44 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:22:44 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Another Tiger at auction
References: <3531.6fda35d4.3888604f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <88F271BB0C4B47338714CA5AB86D3D62@student2>

360 HP, NOS... and a luggage rack?  Well, if the NOS bottle is in the trunk 
I guess you have to put that needed change of underwear someplace. :-)

From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Wed Jan 20 12:11:51 2010
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:11:51 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon   auction
In-Reply-To: <1c01c.37442261.3887ec23@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20100120191151.HCWE1.11495.root@cdptpa-web14-z02>

I see nothing link to page that claims vehicle is no longer available ??

From rollright at aol.com  Wed Jan 20 13:25:27 2010
From: rollright at aol.com (rollright at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:25:27 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Hard top holder/carrier
Message-ID: <102f2.106b4e6b.3888c0b7@aol.com>

Hello,
 
Gary Fish and I stripped our hardtops and they are now in fresh  paint.
 
I need to ask where (and what do I call it) to find those hard top  
carriers. I think they were originally made for new T-Bird tops, but  whatever.
 
Some listers mentioned them before but I didn't make a note. They store the 
 hardtop vertically to save space.
Around $ 100 I seem to remember.
 
Any info much appreciated.
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE

From robin02 at mindspring.com  Wed Jan 20 13:53:13 2010
From: robin02 at mindspring.com (Robin Young)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:53:13 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Hard top holder/carrier
In-Reply-To: <102f2.106b4e6b.3888c0b7@aol.com>
References: <102f2.106b4e6b.3888c0b7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2DDDD23A943D45978B3E5E7753DE0122@RobinLaptop>

 Jim, I bought mine from a Benz dealer that sold them for a 450SL. It fits
the Sunbeam top perfectly and has nice quality rollers on it. Robin Young

 
<I need to ask where (and what do I call it) to find those hard top
carriers. I think they were originally made for new T-Bird tops, but
whatever.>
 
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE

From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 20 14:25:32 2010
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:25:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Hard top holder/carrier
In-Reply-To: <2DDDD23A943D45978B3E5E7753DE0122@RobinLaptop>
Message-ID: <644519.3506.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Here you go.
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HARDTOP-Storage-Cart-Mercedes-Benz-SL-113-107-
129_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2eaa71478dQQitemZ200428046221QQptZMotorsQ5fAut
omotiveQ5fTools

--- On Wed, 1/20/10, Robin Young <robin02 at mindspring.com> wrote:


From: Robin Young <robin02 at mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hard top holder/carrier
To: rollright at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:53 PM


Jim, I bought mine from a Benz dealer that sold them for a 450SL. It fits
the Sunbeam top perfectly and has nice quality rollers on it. Robin Young


<I need to ask where (and what do I call it) to find those hard top
carriers. I think they were originally made for new T-Bird tops, but
whatever.>


Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE
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From Tiger at Sabr2th.com  Wed Jan 20 17:08:51 2010
From: Tiger at Sabr2th.com (Sabr2th)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:08:51 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Interesting Sunbeam For Sale in Texas
Message-ID: <C77CF733.C%Tiger@Sabr2th.com>

Here9s an interesting 1961 Sunbeam:

http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/cto/1561526056.html

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Wed Jan 20 17:58:00 2010
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steven Laifman)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:58:00 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Hard top holder/carrier
In-Reply-To: <102f2.106b4e6b.3888c0b7@aol.com>
References: <102f2.106b4e6b.3888c0b7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B57A698.60902@socal.rr.com>

Jim,

"Thunderbird Accessories"  <http://www.thunderbirdconcepts.com/> is a 
great place for TBird Accessories, including the hardtop cart and the 
electric top hoist.  I bought a lot of stuff fro my 50th Anniversary 
2005 Thunderbird, and vouch for their quality, reliability, and customer 
support.

The carrier is on their page 
<http://www.thunderbirdconcepts.com/hoist.htm>  It is on sale now for 
$200, and is of excellent quality,

Steve



rollright at aol.com wrote:
> Hello,
>  
> Gary Fish and I stripped our hardtops and they are now in fresh  paint.
>  
> I need to ask where (and what do I call it) to find those hard top  
> carriers. I think they were originally made for new T-Bird tops, but  whatever.
>  
> Some listers mentioned them before but I didn't make a note. They store the 
>  hardtop vertically to save space.
> Around $ 100 I seem to remember.
>  
> Any info much appreciated.
>  
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A 382002083
> LRXFE

From Timothy.Ronak at akzonobel.com  Wed Jan 20 23:16:45 2010
From: Timothy.Ronak at akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy))
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:16:45 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Orange County Race Craft
Message-ID: <201E5AF61F0C0D46B2638D7289CF6E05AA4E3B@NRWN080.d30.intra>

Listers,

Been away for a while. I may be gone but I have not forgotten all of
you. Last weekend My Son Josh and I went out and tore up the Old El Toro
Air base asphalt with his 331 powered Mustang convertible. We also had
his buddy there with his 2003 AMG CLK 55  and his Dad with his Mini
Cooper S Convert.



We got to do the slalom course and emergency braking class and a seminar
teaching the boys the proper way to experience their cars.



Then they went out on the 2.2 miles road course .... TOTAL BLAST !!!!!



And GET THIS ...... FRRRRRRREEEE !!!!!! They did it for the community
due to some tragic accidents that have occurred locally due to driver
skill. It turned into a promo to 'hook' newbies to their track and MAN
did it work.



http://www.ocracecraft.com/



Here is the link ... there was one 65 Mustang and One Cobra as well
along with an assortment of other cool cars ... John Cooper Mini, 430
Ferrari, Corvettes, BMW 7 series, v-12 AMG Mercedes ... etc ... you get
the idea ... TOTALLY BUMMED NO TIGERS !!!



So guys go check out this web site rumor has it there may be another
'free' day weekend March 4 or 5 ... AWESOME!



Best Regards,



Tim Ronak

Services Consultant

Akzo Nobel Coatings, Inc.

23961 Via El Rocio

Mission Viejo,  CA 92691

PH: 949-305-5393

Cell: 949-289-3357

FX: 425-955-6268

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From rande at thecia.net  Thu Jan 21 04:48:53 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 06:48:53 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] kids, tracks, old air strips
Message-ID: <4b583f25.3518.0@thecia.net>

Tim,

Great to learn about the El Toro strip being used to teach young drivers about
driving and how cars respond at high speed. They need it, and frankly, we could
use drivers ed tuneups ourselves sometimes. We have two regular courses for
young drivers here in the Boston area, they're good schools, but there's a fee
for them.

Fort Devens, about 30 miles outside the city, is being used separately by Mustang,
BMW, and Porsche clubs for autocrosses and slaloms. Great use for old airstrips.


Maybe Tiger clubs, if they had a little extra cash, could team with other clubs
to sponsor defensive high speed courses for local high schools.

From rande at thecia.net  Thu Jan 21 09:49:01 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:49:01 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] hardtop rack
Message-ID: <4b58857d.68ad.0@thecia.net>

Check eBay for 'hard top storage cart' buy it now $99 plus $31
shipping

I check Ford dealer for TBird 2003 rack: $693
Thunderbird Concept rack looks identical

RB

From cmccann at lwpb.com  Thu Jan 21 12:47:44 2010
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:47:44 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] tigers for sale - Richmond
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BBDF56F55@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

Hello friends,

I found a couple of tigers for sale on craigslist near Richmond VA,

here is how the ad reads:
2 SunBeam Tigers - $9500 (Richmond,VA)
________________________________
Date: 2010-01-19, 8:27PM EST
Reply to:
sale-qtjxb-1561051424 at craigslist.org<mailto:sale-qtjxb-1561051424 at craigslist.
org?subject=2%20SunBeam%20Tigers%20-%20%249500%20(Richmond%2CVA)&body=%0A%0Ah
ttp%3A%2F%2Frichmond.craigslist.org%2Fcto%2F1561051424.html%0A> [Errors when
replying to ads?<http://www.craigslist.org/about/help/replying_to_posts>]
________________________________

1967 & 1965
Both need total Resto
Call for info 804-350-4464
*         Location: Richmond,VA
and here is the link to the ad:
http://richmond.craigslist.org/cto/1561051424.html


I called and talked to the guy (didn't really catch his name, maybe he is on
the list) he says the 65 has substantial rust in the floors and at least one
headlight area, and the 67 has little to no rust but was front ended and has
had a new "front clip" put on it. he said that the 67 was NOT a mkII. both
cars have complete drive trains, both 260 cars, one has a hardtop. the 65 is
red and the 67 is supposed to be blue, from what I understand. that's about
all I caught..wanted to forward the info to the list in case anyone is
interested.


Cullen
1452

From rtscolgan at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 21 21:17:21 2010
From: rtscolgan at yahoo.com (Russ and Tammy C.)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:17:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] convertible tops (tan)
Message-ID: <968067.83248.qm@web50908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Anyone have pictures of a red (carnival) with a tan soft top?  Thanks, Russ

From sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net  Fri Jan 22 11:45:20 2010
From: sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net (Paul R Sheahan)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:45:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Help in Seattle
Message-ID: <363067.62405.qm@web83715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Listers,
     I am still looking for someone, with car knowledge, to look at a vehicle
for me in the Seattle area.  If there is anyone in the area that can help,
please let me know.
     Thanks,

Paul
Paul R Sheahan

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Jan 22 12:31:38 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:31:38 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Hot starting FYI
Message-ID: <37178112D8434DCB8CB5301C4B94071E@ronpc1>

I have been doing an Original Tiger engine study from the Ford casting # and
casting date point of view.

I came across a notation about Hot starting and the use of restrictor fuel
bowl vents to reduce fuel vapor in the air cleaner.
The bowl vents are the 2 vertical tubes near the choke plate and restrictor
vents have a smaller hole on top than the diameter of the tube.

There is a Ford TSB covering this; 8/19/63 Ford TSB, Section 1750, Article
#27.

Ford incorporated restrictor fuel bowl vent on Dec14,1962; this would
indicate that all 2bbl carburetors on Tiger engines have these restrictor
vents.
I have also looked at some period pictures of Tiger engines and they appear
to have restrictor vent but I can't say for sure all Tiger engines had them.

I have had some hot start problems at times with the non stock C7, 2bbl
carburetor on my Tiger so I will have to investigate this more on my engine.
This should also be looked at with any 4bbl carb if you have a hot start
problem.

It would be interesting to note if all those with the original 2bbl have
these restrictor vents.

As always if anyone needs help deciphering casting #'s and date codes; I
will be glad to assist.

If you are interested in participating in my engine study; contact me on
this List or off line.

Ron Fraser

From fhsloth13 at aol.com  Fri Jan 22 15:11:01 2010
From: fhsloth13 at aol.com (fhsloth13 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:11:01 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Hot starting FYI
Message-ID: <14a36.2e6c6546.388b7c75@aol.com>

Ron-
 
Would this only apply to only  Ford carbs or would any carb have  this same 
malady?
 
I have an Edelbrock 4-bbl on my stock 260 and sometimes have a hot start  
problem. It seems like vapor lock but I'm not sure.
 
I would be very interested in your findings. Please send them to me at: 
_whizzzbang13 at aol.com_ (mailto:whizzzbang13 at aol.com) 
 
Fred Baum
 
 
In a message dated 1/22/2010 2:51:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
rfraser at bluefrog.com writes:

I have  been doing an Original Tiger engine study from the Ford casting #  
and
casting date point of view.

I came across a notation about Hot  starting and the use of restrictor fuel
bowl vents to reduce fuel vapor in  the air cleaner.
The bowl vents are the 2 vertical tubes near the choke  plate and restrictor
vents have a smaller hole on top than the diameter of  the tube.

There is a Ford TSB covering this; 8/19/63 Ford TSB, Section  1750, Article
#27.

Ford incorporated restrictor fuel bowl vent on  Dec14,1962; this would
indicate that all 2bbl carburetors on Tiger engines  have these restrictor
vents.
I have also looked at some period pictures  of Tiger engines and they appear
to have restrictor vent but I can't say  for sure all Tiger engines had 
them.

I have had some hot start problems  at times with the non stock C7, 2bbl
carburetor on my Tiger so I will have  to investigate this more on my 
engine.
This should also be looked at with  any 4bbl carb if you have a hot start
problem.

It would be  interesting to note if all those with the original 2bbl have
these  restrictor vents.

As always if anyone needs help deciphering casting  #'s and date codes; I
will be glad to assist.

If you are interested  in participating in my engine study; contact me on
this List or off  line.

Ron Fraser

From mwood24020 at aol.com  Fri Jan 22 21:59:18 2010
From: mwood24020 at aol.com (mwood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:59:18 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon   auction
Message-ID: <1d75d.46cc4b77.388bdc26@aol.com>

Hmmm...link works for me (?)
 
_http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.ht
ml_ 
(http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.html) 
 
I'm hoping the Tiger wasn't one of the cars damaged when the Russo &  
Steele tents blew over yesterday. 
 
_http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/22/strong-winds-cause-russo-and-steele-auct
ion-tents-to-collapse/_ 
(http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/22/strong-winds-cause-russo-and-steele-auction-tents-to-collapse/) 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/20/2010 11:11:55 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
sralsten at ca.rr.com writes:

I see  nothing link to page that claims vehicle is no longer available  ??

From gleibert185 at comcast.net  Sat Jan 23 02:34:38 2010
From: gleibert185 at comcast.net (George Leibert)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 04:34:38 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Hot starting FYI
In-Reply-To: <14a36.2e6c6546.388b7c75@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0A6D29CC2E2F4AAD82B6F5476CCB488D@mylaptop>

I bought a new '69 Ply Roadrunner in 1969.  Would pass almost everything
except a gas station.  There the fun would begin!  The car wouldn't start
until it cooled down some.  Was flooded!  Secondary heating of the carb
would boil it over and with the amount of gas it held would flood it bad!

I was on a trip to California from MD with the family and had stopped in
Denver to visit relatives.  I purchased a Delta Mark 10 CD Ignition system
in a kit, assembled it in the motel room & installed it.

Never a hard hot start again!  That Delta would fire a spark under water I
think.

George

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of fhsloth13 at aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 5:11 PM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hot starting FYI

Ron-

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Jan 23 07:06:08 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:06:08 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Hot starting FYI
In-Reply-To: <0A6D29CC2E2F4AAD82B6F5476CCB488D@mylaptop>
Message-ID: <8F792DF4ED074FC0B3A57F2808F0119B@ronpc1>

George
	So your Roadrunner passed a lot of gas and fumes. :)

Ignition can be a cause of hot start problems and I've been there too with
some cars.

	Nothing like cranking and cranking an engine with nothing firing
then releasing the key and the engine fires.
Simply means there is not enough energy to run all the systems.   The cause
could be a low battery, bad connections or a host of other electrical
problems.

There are numerous causes for Hot Start Problems; the carb can be 1,
electrical problems can be another, high altitude can give you a starting
problem all the time.

We just need to be aware of these causes and understanding how they apply to
our individual situations.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of George Leibert
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:35 AM
To: Tiger List
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hot starting FYI


I bought a new '69 Ply Roadrunner in 1969.  Would pass almost everything
except a gas station.  There the fun would begin!  The car wouldn't start
until it cooled down some.  Was flooded!  Secondary heating of the carb
would boil it over and with the amount of gas it held would flood it bad!

I was on a trip to California from MD with the family and had stopped in
Denver to visit relatives.  I purchased a Delta Mark 10 CD Ignition system
in a kit, assembled it in the motel room & installed it.

Never a hard hot start again!  That Delta would fire a spark under water I
think.

George

From garywinblad at comcast.net  Sat Jan 23 10:10:14 2010
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:10:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon    auction
In-Reply-To: <1d75d.46cc4b77.388bdc26@aol.com>
Message-ID: <607314080.14928971264266614927.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Wow, what a disaster!!


I think I see the Tiger in these photos, number 11-14  in the front row with a red El Camino
in front in the aisle...  I could be wrong..   It looks like a major tent pole landed along side but
it is ok.

Hopefully this link works:
http://www.abc15.com/Photo.aspx?content_id=f1dcdb2f-f377-4fe1-b395-f8bd1a10bc1e&i=11

Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: mwood24020 at aol.com
To: sralsten at ca.rr.com, tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 04:59:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon   auction

Hmmm...link works for me (?)
 
_http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.ht
ml_ 
(http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.html) 
 
I'm hoping the Tiger wasn't one of the cars damaged when the Russo &  
Steele tents blew over yesterday. 
 
_http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/22/strong-winds-cause-russo-and-steele-auct
ion-tents-to-collapse/_ 
(http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/22/strong-winds-cause-russo-and-steele-auction-tents-to-collapse/) 

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 23 13:03:13 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:03:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon     auction
In-Reply-To: <607314080.14928971264266614927.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <62086.24633.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Does anyone know if the auction is being carried live or recorded to be shown
at a later time. I cant find it on or in my Comcast TV guide(they suck to be
honest but make up for it by being expensive) which is a suprise. I would
enjoy seeing the Tiger plus the prices everything else is bringing.
TtT

--- On Sat, 1/23/10, garywinblad at comcast.net <garywinblad at comcast.net> wrote:


From: garywinblad at comcast.net <garywinblad at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon auction
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 11:10 AM


Wow, what a disaster!!


I think I see the Tiger in these photos, number 11-14  in the front row with a
red El Camino
in front in the aisle...  I could be wrong..   It looks like a major tent pole
landed along side but
it is ok.

Hopefully this link works:
http://www.abc15.com/Photo.aspx?content_id=f1dcdb2f-f377-4fe1-b395-f8bd1a10bc
1e&i=11

Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: mwood24020 at aol.com
To: sralsten at ca.rr.com, tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 04:59:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon   auction

Hmmm...link works for me (?)

_http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.ht
ml_
(http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.htm
l)

I'm hoping the Tiger wasn't one of the cars damaged when the Russo & 
Steele tents blew over yesterday.

_http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/22/strong-winds-cause-russo-and-steele-auct
ion-tents-to-collapse/_
(http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/22/strong-winds-cause-russo-and-steele-aucti
on-tents-to-collapse/)
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From mwood24020 at aol.com  Sat Jan 23 14:19:09 2010
From: mwood24020 at aol.com (mwood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:19:09 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele,
 Saturday afternoon      auction
In-Reply-To: <62086.24633.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <607314080.14928971264266614927.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><62086.24633.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <180316536-1264281521-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1260971739-@bda109.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Russo and Steele is not on tv, afaik
At this point, it may not be "on" at all, as they are still cleaning up the mess from the tents blowing over.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:03:13 
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>; <garywinblad at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon     auction

Does anyone know if the auction is being carried live or recorded to be shown
at a later time. I cant find it on or in my Comcast TV guide(they suck to be
honest but make up for it by being expensive) which is a suprise. I would
enjoy seeing the Tiger plus the prices everything else is bringing.
TtT

--- On Sat, 1/23/10, garywinblad at comcast.net <garywinblad at comcast.net> wrote:


From: garywinblad at comcast.net <garywinblad at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon auction
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 11:10 AM


Wow, what a disaster!!


I think I see the Tiger in these photos, number 11-14  in the front row with a
red El Camino
in front in the aisle...  I could be wrong..   It looks like a major tent pole
landed along side but
it is ok.

Hopefully this link works:
http://www.abc15.com/Photo.aspx?content_id=f1dcdb2f-f377-4fe1-b395-f8bd1a10bc
1e&i=11

Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: mwood24020 at aol.com
To: sralsten at ca.rr.com, tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 04:59:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon   auction

Hmmm...link works for me (?)

_http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.ht
ml_
(http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.htm
l)

I'm hoping the Tiger wasn't one of the cars damaged when the Russo & 
Steele tents blew over yesterday.

_http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/22/strong-winds-cause-russo-and-steele-auct
ion-tents-to-collapse/_
(http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/22/strong-winds-cause-russo-and-steele-aucti
on-tents-to-collapse/)
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 23 15:49:02 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:49:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele,
 Saturday afternoon      auction
In-Reply-To: <180316536-1264281521-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1260971739-@bda109.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <231818.4696.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

THANKS Mike. I thought that a possibility but one never knows the ammont of
work that can be acomplished IF they wanted to do so. I imangine there will be
insurance claims etc. to have consideration as well. Im sure we will have
plnty of notice prior to the show. I apprecite the post.
TtT

--- On Sat, 1/23/10, mwood24020 at aol.com <mwood24020 at aol.com> wrote:


From: mwood24020 at aol.com <mwood24020 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon auction
To: "Tony Somebody" <achd73 at yahoo.com>, tigers-bounces at autox.team.net,
tigers at autox.team.net, garywinblad at comcast.net
Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:19 PM


Russo and Steele is not on tv, afaik
At this point, it may not be "on" at all, as they are still cleaning up the
mess from the tents blowing over.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:03:13
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>; <garywinblad at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon     auction

Does anyone know if the auction is being carried live or recorded to be shown
at a later time. I cant find it on or in my Comcast TV guide(they suck to be
honest but make up for it by being expensive) which is a suprise. I would
enjoy seeing the Tiger plus the prices everything else is bringing.
TtT

--- On Sat, 1/23/10, garywinblad at comcast.net <garywinblad at comcast.net> wrote:


From: garywinblad at comcast.net <garywinblad at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon auction
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 11:10 AM


Wow, what a disaster!!


I think I see the Tiger in these photos, number 11-14  in the front row with
a
red El Camino
in front in the aisle...  I could be wrong..   It looks like a major tent
pole
landed along side but
it is ok.

Hopefully this link works:
http://www.abc15.com/Photo.aspx?content_id=f1dcdb2f-f377-4fe1-b395-f8bd1a10bc
1e&i=11

Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: mwood24020 at aol.com
To: sralsten at ca.rr.com, tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 04:59:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon   auction

Hmmm...link works for me (?)

_http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.ht
ml_
(http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.htm
l)

I'm hoping the Tiger wasn't one of the cars damaged when the Russo &
Steele tents blew over yesterday.

_http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/22/strong-winds-cause-russo-and-steele-auct
ion-tents-to-collapse/_
(http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/22/strong-winds-cause-russo-and-steele-aucti
on-tents-to-collapse/)
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From modtiger at comcast.net  Sat Jan 23 17:35:36 2010
From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:35:36 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] The Tiger at Scottsdale
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20100123162340.0567ec20@comcast.net>

Brad Hall, the current owner and no relation, called me this morning 
with a report.  There is a lot of damage but only one minor injury at 
the site.  He has three cars in this event and his other two cars had 
some damage but the "Tiger Survivor" survived this incident with out 
harm. It had been staged between two larger cars (surprise) and they 
each did a good job of fending off poles, rigging and tent fabric, 
saving this Tiger from harm and un-needed restoration.

It's my understanding that Russo & Steele will begin the auction 
Sunday morning.  The Tiger will likely come up early given the 
previous schedule and fallout from the storm damage.  I'm thinking 
Brad would just as soon it not sell and trailer it back to Kansas and 
enjoy it a few more years.  He will let me know the outcome in any case.

Tom Hall
ModTiger Engineering LLC
www.tigerengineering.net

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sat Jan 23 17:45:40 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:45:40 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo & Steele, Saturday afternoon     auction
References: <607314080.14928971264266614927.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <362DB1EBB28740639084CF3FB286B04A@student2>

Maybe they will have a "Scratch & Dent" sale.

From davidandvarley at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 24 08:27:00 2010
From: davidandvarley at hotmail.com (David and Varley Tweddle)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:27:00 +0800
Subject: [Tigers] A few unrelated questions!!
Message-ID: <BLU148-W2513FCEA8297A3C216C347CF600@phx.gbl>

Hi all,

I am thinking of doing some maintenance on my Tiger and thought the list
members may have some helpful suggestions for me....

Waterless coolant....

Has anyone tried the Evans waterless coolant? Seems expensive but their
website has interesting claims:-

https://www.evanscooling.com/

We have had 4 days of 40C (108F)+ temps here in Perth, West Australia (I think
we might be the epicentre of global warming!!). If this keeps up I might have
to get some of this waterless coolant and a good AC for the Tiger!!

The time has come to replace the stock generator!

I tried searching the archives (fantastic source of info) but got the dreaded
404 "Not found" error when I searched "Alternator Generator"

The search returned this which is a broken link I think.

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-elecsys.asp

Anyways....appreciate your thoughts on what is a good alternator to fit (and
still keep my charge light)?

Last question....

Split Brake circuit master cylinder

What is the easiest brake master cylinder to fit to get the improved safety of
a split brake system. I am currently using my car without the troublesome
Girling Power Brake and have become quite used to the high (but not too high)
pedal pressure. Has anyone tried a slightly smaller MC piston diameter to
increase mechanical advantage...would doing this cause "not enough displaced
fluid" problems??

Thanks once again for your help.....
David Tweddle
Perth - W.A.
B9472884



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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Sun Jan 24 08:33:36 2010
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 15:33:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] The Tiger at Scottsdale
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20100123162340.0567ec20@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1332156748.15154891264347216581.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Great news.  Gotta love those big cars!

The Tiger is scheduled at 4:30 today..



----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Hall 
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 00:35:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] The Tiger at Scottsdale

Brad Hall, the current owner and no relation, called me this morning 
with a report.  There is a lot of damage but only one minor injury at 
the site.  He has three cars in this event and his other two cars had 
some damage but the "Tiger Survivor" survived this incident with out 
harm. It had been staged between two larger cars (surprise) and they 
each did a good job of fending off poles, rigging and tent fabric, 
saving this Tiger from harm and un-needed restoration.

It's my understanding that Russo & Steele will begin the auction 
Sunday morning.  The Tiger will likely come up early given the 
previous schedule and fallout from the storm damage.  I'm thinking 
Brad would just as soon it not sell and trailer it back to Kansas and 
enjoy it a few more years.  He will let me know the outcome in any case.

Tom Hall

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Jan 24 09:11:53 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:11:53 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] A few unrelated questions!!
In-Reply-To: <BLU148-W2513FCEA8297A3C216C347CF600@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <9C6D11A2BB184639968B1B1392CD3BEE@ronpc1>

David
	I believe you were look for an alternator inside the generator body.

http://www.powermastermotorsports.com/powergen.html

There maybe other sites too.

If you just want to swap in a period style alternator; the process is not
that hard.
I did that by putting an electronic regulator on the alternator, welding up
an alternator bracket and turning the generator voltage regulator into a
junction box.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of David and Varley Tweddle
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 10:27 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] A few unrelated questions!!


Hi all,

I am thinking of doing some maintenance on my Tiger and thought the list
members may have some helpful suggestions for me....

Waterless coolant....

Has anyone tried the Evans waterless coolant? Seems expensive but their
website has interesting claims:-

https://www.evanscooling.com/

We have had 4 days of 40C (108F)+ temps here in Perth, West Australia (I
think we might be the epicentre of global warming!!). If this keeps up I
might have to get some of this waterless coolant and a good AC for the
Tiger!!

The time has come to replace the stock generator!

I tried searching the archives (fantastic source of info) but got the
dreaded 404 "Not found" error when I searched "Alternator Generator"

The search returned this which is a broken link I think.

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-elecsys.asp

Anyways....appreciate your thoughts on what is a good alternator to fit (and
still keep my charge light)?

Last question....

Split Brake circuit master cylinder

What is the easiest brake master cylinder to fit to get the improved safety
of a split brake system. I am currently using my car without the troublesome
Girling Power Brake and have become quite used to the high (but not too
high) pedal pressure. Has anyone tried a slightly smaller MC piston diameter
to increase mechanical advantage...would doing this cause "not enough
displaced fluid" problems??

Thanks once again for your help.....
David Tweddle
Perth - W.A.
B9472884



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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 14:18:37 2010
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:18:37 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] anyone know this 'FIA' tiger for sale?
Message-ID: <39a841b1001241318t5caca562t9aa4e642eaf016a6@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.motorsportads.com/rally-cars/18634.html

i don't quite understand how it has FIA papers _and_ 4 pot brakes and 14"
wheels....

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 14:44:46 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:44:46 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] anyone know this 'FIA' tiger for sale?
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WOW,

That car even has the original "VIN screws" only seen on the FIA cars!!!

I think the FIA papers might be for modified historic rally.. not for the
correct cars. Id say "proper" histric events would not let this car run.. or
perhaps they are reffering to saftey approved papers or something.

There is a real FIA spec racer for sale at the moment for 35K GBP been
online for a while.. is a very nice car.

2010/1/25 Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com>

> http://www.motorsportads.com/rally-cars/18634.html
>
> i don't quite understand how it has FIA papers _and_ 4 pot brakes and 14"
> wheels....
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From rootes1 at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 24 15:02:56 2010
From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:02:56 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] anyone know this 'FIA' tiger for sale?
In-Reply-To: <39a841b1001241318t5caca562t9aa4e642eaf016a6@mail.gmail.com
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On top of those questions the "Registry" has a very trustworthy 2005 
report that B9473727 HROFE has been JUNKED.  One wonders what car is 
sitting under that transplanted "factory" tag?

Norm

At 01:18 PM 1/24/2010, Owain Lloyd wrote:
>http://www.motorsportads.com/rally-cars/18634.html
>
>i don't quite understand how it has FIA papers _and_ 4 pot brakes and 14"
>wheels....

From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 18:24:05 2010
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:24:05 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Steering U-Joints
Message-ID: <C89C6CFD85EC476C8024D8DD2264F540@OfficePC>

Hey,

 

I'm trying to replace the u-joints in my steering linkage and I'm having an
"issue".  I removed the clips and pressed on the bearing cap on one side of
a yoke until that yoke hit against the other yoke.  This results in a
bearing cap being pushed out about half way on one side.  The shop manual
makes it sound like the cap should pretty much fall out at this point and
then you can press the other direction to get the other cap out.  I can't
get the cap out.  I grabbed it with some channel locks but it doesn't move.
Is there some trick to getting these caps out so I can remove the u-joint?

 

Thanks,

Joe Brown

Arlington, TX

B382000217

From srwick at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 24 22:10:31 2010
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:10:31 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Steering U-Joints
In-Reply-To: <C89C6CFD85EC476C8024D8DD2264F540@OfficePC>
References: <C89C6CFD85EC476C8024D8DD2264F540@OfficePC>
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I've seen this happen for two reasons. One, is that the bearings are shot and
the cap has been beat up to the point that it's "swaged" in. Clean the outside
surface of any grease/grime/etc., and press it back the other way. Keep doing
this until they loosen enough that one falls out. The other reason is if
someone collapsed the ears of the yoke when they put the u-joint in, either
using a hammer instead of a press or pressing on the ear instead of the
bearing cap with the press when they seated it. Measure the ears to see if
they are parallel. If not, you'll have to spread them until they are and that
will give you the clearance you need.

Steve
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  Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 5:24 PM
  Subject: [Tigers] Steering U-Joints


  Hey,



  I'm trying to replace the u-joints in my steering linkage and I'm having an
  "issue".  I removed the clips and pressed on the bearing cap on one side of
  a yoke until that yoke hit against the other yoke.  This results in a
  bearing cap being pushed out about half way on one side.  The shop manual
  makes it sound like the cap should pretty much fall out at this point and
  then you can press the other direction to get the other cap out.  I can't
  get the cap out.  I grabbed it with some channel locks but it doesn't move.
  Is there some trick to getting these caps out so I can remove the u-joint?



  Thanks,

  Joe Brown

  Arlington, TX

  B382000217
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From davidandvarley at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 25 05:33:40 2010
From: davidandvarley at hotmail.com (David and Varley Tweddle)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:33:40 +0800
Subject: [Tigers] Thanks to all for the great ideas. Re my few unrelated
 questions email.
Message-ID: <BLU148-W34D80E228A1354EF5858E1CF5F0@phx.gbl>

Dear everybody,

Thanks for all the great advice re my questions.

One of the docs I recd talks about plugging(blanking off) the thermostat
bypass (after drilling a couple of 1/8holes in the thermostat).

Think I will do this.....has anybody had any problems or negative side
effects?

Thanks once again for all the tips.

Isn't this Internet forum just great!

Cheers
David
Perth- WA

ps -It was only 30C today!

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From shutchin at netjets.com  Mon Jan 25 05:52:34 2010
From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:52:34 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Thanks to all for the great ideas. Re my few unrelated
 questions email.
Message-ID: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D408966002@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>

This doesn't seem like a great idea.  Not sure why it would help. 

Maybe though......

>From my admittedly limited knowledge I would think a nice 180degree thermostat and that is about it.  


Scott Hutchinson
Director of Operations
NetJets Large Aircraft

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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Jan 25 08:22:42 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:22:42 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] anyone know this 'FIA' tiger for sale?
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If it was a true HROFE car, wouldn't it be right-hand drive? The German
spec plate below the JAL plate is also an interesting piece... Wouldn't
expect to see that on a British-market car.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Norman C. Miller
> Sent: January 24, 2010 3:03 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] anyone know this 'FIA' tiger for sale?
>
> On top of those questions the "Registry" has a very
> trustworthy 2005 report that B9473727 HROFE has been JUNKED.
> One wonders what car is sitting under that transplanted "factory" tag?
>
> Norm

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 25 09:12:49 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:12:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] anyone know this 'FIA' tiger for sale?
In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D1570190579E@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <166532.49656.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

WC Fields once said there is a sucker born every minute and since he made that
statement- the birth rate has prolly trippled or more. Buyer beware and NEVER
pay for a car until you see it- I dont care what the dam auction says or of
course have a respected TAC type person inspect it for you- even if its a
Mustang, soemone who knows where and what to look for or at. Cheers, TtT

--- On Mon, 1/25/10, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:


From: Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] anyone know this 'FIA' tiger for sale?
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 9:22 AM


If it was a true HROFE car, wouldn't it be right-hand drive? The German
spec plate below the JAL plate is also an interesting piece... Wouldn't
expect to see that on a British-market car.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Norman C. Miller
> Sent: January 24, 2010 3:03 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] anyone know this 'FIA' tiger for sale?
>
> On top of those questions the "Registry" has a very
> trustworthy 2005 report that B9473727 HROFE has been JUNKED.
> One wonders what car is sitting under that transplanted "factory" tag?
>
> Norm
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Jan 25 10:30:26 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:30:26 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Thanks to all for the great ideas. Re my few unrelated
 questions email.
In-Reply-To: <BLU148-W34D80E228A1354EF5858E1CF5F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D5E78C9EEEEA44FC8AB2AC65957B0726@ronpc1>

Dave
	I'm not sure what your trying to accomplish with blanking off the
thermostat bypass.   I did not see those emails.   You might want to
elaborate here and get a few more opinions.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of David and Varley Tweddle
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 7:34 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Thanks to all for the great ideas. Re my few unrelated
questions email.


Dear everybody,

Thanks for all the great advice re my questions.

One of the docs I recd talks about plugging(blanking off) the thermostat
bypass (after drilling a couple of 1/8holes in the thermostat).

Think I will do this.....has anybody had any problems or negative side
effects?

Thanks once again for all the tips.

Isn't this Internet forum just great!

Cheers
David
Perth- WA

ps -It was only 30C today!

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From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Mon Jan 25 10:33:17 2010
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:33:17 EST
Subject: [Tigers] anyone know this 'FIA' tiger for sale?
Message-ID: <12650.76fd0ed9.388f2fdd@aol.com>

P. T. Barnum 
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There's_a_sucker_born_every_minute_ 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There's_a_sucker_born_every_minute) 
 
 
In a message dated 1/25/2010 8:46:54 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
achd73 at yahoo.com writes:

WC  Fields once said there is a sucker born every minute and since he made  
that
statement- the birth rate has prolly trippled or more. Buyer beware  and 
NEVER
pay for a car until you see it- I dont care what the dam auction  says or of
course have a respected TAC type person inspect it for you- even  if its a
Mustang, soemone who knows where and what to look for or at.  Cheers, TtT

--- On Mon, 1/25/10, Smit, Theo  <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:


From: Smit, Theo  <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] anyone know this  'FIA' tiger for sale?
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, January  25, 2010, 9:22 AM


If it was a true HROFE car, wouldn't it be  right-hand drive? The German
spec plate below the JAL plate is also an  interesting piece... Wouldn't
expect to see that on a British-market  car.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From:  tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]  On Behalf Of Norman C. Miller
> Sent: January 24, 2010 3:03 PM
>  To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] anyone know this 'FIA'  tiger for sale?
>
> On top of those questions the "Registry" has a  very
> trustworthy 2005 report that B9473727 HROFE has been  JUNKED.
> One wonders what car is sitting under that transplanted  "factory" tag?
>
> Norm
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From modtiger at comcast.net  Mon Jan 25 10:33:46 2010
From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:33:46 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tales of the Survivor
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20100125092112.02769e90@comcast.net>

Well the storm damage and subsequent delays changed the auction 
schedule considerably and the Tiger didn't get on stage until about 5 
PM yesterday afternoon.  By that time the crowd had thinned and many 
had already headed for home.  The bidding on the Tiger and Brad's 
other two cars did not make his reserves, so he will be taking all of 
them home.  Probably a lot of unhappy campers as a result of this 
stormy event, including the insurance companies.

Tom Hall
ModTiger Engineering LLC
www.tigerengineering.net

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Jan 25 10:43:50 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:43:50 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Thanks to all for the great ideas. Re my few unrelated
 questions email.
In-Reply-To: <D5E78C9EEEEA44FC8AB2AC65957B0726@ronpc1>
References: <BLU148-W34D80E228A1354EF5858E1CF5F0@phx.gbl>
	<D5E78C9EEEEA44FC8AB2AC65957B0726@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019057A2@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

I put out a post about that topic near the end of last summer.

Restricting (which is what I did) or blanking the bypass, reduces the
amount of coolant that can circulate in the system without making it
through either the heater or the radiator. The bypass is there basically
to make sure the water pump can draw something even when the thermostat
and heater valves are closed; as soon as the thermostat is open or if
you have the heater on 'hot' then the bypass is redundant and in fact
reduces the cooling ability of the radiators.

Many performance-oriented engine builds block the bypass altogether; I
threaded the bypass orifice 1/8" pipe, drilled a 5/32" hole in an
Allen-head pipe plug and then inserted that into the hole. I then
drilled a couple of bypass holes into the thermostat and found that it
substantially reduced the coolant temperature.

Cheers,
Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
> Sent: January 25, 2010 10:30 AM
> To: 'David and Varley Tweddle'; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thanks to all for the great ideas. Re
> my few unrelated questions email.
>
> Dave
> 	I'm not sure what your trying to accomplish with
> blanking off the
> thermostat bypass.   I did not see those emails.   You might want to
> elaborate here and get a few more opinions.
>
> Ron Fraser

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 25 11:11:57 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:11:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Thanks to all for the great ideas. Re my few unrelated
 questions email.
In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019057A2@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <514053.13397.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Theo- Ive always refered to the by pass as the "heater by pass hose". So, am I
correct in thinking when you plugged your by pass the heater no longer would
work if it was cold weather and I wanted heater on?For whatever unknown
reason, my car runs cooler than even a stock 260 and although it is a 289 with
a mild cam it runs to cool in the winter. I havent changed the thermostat
since I bought the car, I did change out the heads to some larger valve 289
heads w/ screw in studs and a bit of port work.The car came from AZ. and Im
certain the PO had all work done shop wise, including rebuilding the engine.
Im not complaining how cool it runs in the summer- in hot weather, stop and go
in the city, it will show its capable of warming up but not as much as
previous higher HP engines did.Over Thanksgiving I drove to WVa from southern
IL and on the way home, I had to put cardboard in front of the radiator to
stay warm- w/ a hardtop and a few air leaks. It wasnt
 running hot enough to be at suggested temps for best performance- 170 degrees
at 70 plus mph and maybe below freezing temps outside,during the night. I plan
on checking the thermostat when I do some pre-spring work, just to see what
temp it is and IF it is stuck open, working properly etc. Thanks for
responding to the bypassing the heater question beforehand.
Tony

--- On Mon, 1/25/10, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:


From: Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thanks to all for the great ideas. Re my few unrelated
questions email.
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com, "David and Varley Tweddle"
<davidandvarley at hotmail.com>, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 11:43 AM


I put out a post about that topic near the end of last summer.

Restricting (which is what I did) or blanking the bypass, reduces the
amount of coolant that can circulate in the system without making it
through either the heater or the radiator. The bypass is there basically
to make sure the water pump can draw something even when the thermostat
and heater valves are closed; as soon as the thermostat is open or if
you have the heater on 'hot' then the bypass is redundant and in fact
reduces the cooling ability of the radiators.

Many performance-oriented engine builds block the bypass altogether; I
threaded the bypass orifice 1/8" pipe, drilled a 5/32" hole in an
Allen-head pipe plug and then inserted that into the hole. I then
drilled a couple of bypass holes into the thermostat and found that it
substantially reduced the coolant temperature.

Cheers,
Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
> Sent: January 25, 2010 10:30 AM
> To: 'David and Varley Tweddle'; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thanks to all for the great ideas. Re
> my few unrelated questions email.
>
> Dave
>     I'm not sure what your trying to accomplish with
> blanking off the
> thermostat bypass.   I did not see those emails.   You might want to
> elaborate here and get a few more opinions.
>
> Ron Fraser
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Jan 25 11:26:24 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:26:24 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Thanks to all for the great ideas. Re my few unrelated
 questions email.
In-Reply-To: <514053.13397.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019057A2@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
	<514053.13397.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Hi Tony,
The bypass hose bypasses both the heater and the radiator. There are
three parallel paths for the hot coolant back to the water pump inlet:
1. Through the heater valve and heater core;
2. Through the thermostat and radiator;
3. Through the bypass.

The radiator path is obviously the largest, although its ultimate flow
capability is limited by the actual thermostat opening area and the type
and condition of the radiator.
The heater path is dependent on the condition of the heater core, and on
whether or not you have the valve open (and how plugged the valve is ;)
).
The bypass path is the little right-angle elbow hose that comes off the
thermostat housing and goes straight back into the water pump inlet. If
there was no bypass at all (either from the heater, bypass, or bleed
holes on the thermostat) then the water pump would basically stall when
the thermostat was closed and there would be little or no coolant flow
at all in the engine, leading to localized boiling as well as retarding
the opening of the thermostat until things were way too hot. So you do
want the water to be circulating when the engine is cold... but once
it's warm, the bypass would ideally be minimized, so as to maximize the
flow through the radiators.

Theo


________________________________

	From: Tony Somebody [mailto:achd73 at yahoo.com]
	Sent: January 25, 2010 11:12 AM
	To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; David and Varley Tweddle;
tigers at autox.team.net; Smit, Theo
	Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thanks to all for the great ideas. Re my
few unrelated questions email.


Theo- Ive always refered to the by pass as the "heater by pass hose".
So, am I correct in thinking when you plugged your by pass the heater no
longer would work if it was cold weather and I wanted heater on?
<snip>

 Tony

From motoys2001 at comcast.net  Mon Jan 25 11:43:34 2010
From: motoys2001 at comcast.net (motoys2001 at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:43:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Thanks to all for the great ideas. Re my few unrelated
 questions email.
In-Reply-To: <BLU148-W34D80E228A1354EF5858E1CF5F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <501831485.12749981264445014474.JavaMail.root@sz0153a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

The bypass is to permit water flow around the closed thermostat between the pump and the block allowing the block to come to temp as quickly as possible. This is a good thing by the way. Once the water temp reaches the thermostat temp opening range, then the properly heated water will pass through the radiator for heat exchange before returning to the block. 

As Theo has described, I have the blocked off bypass and a drilled high flow thermostat in both my street Tiger and Mustang as well as my open track cars. My street Mustang run too cool as it rarely even reaches 180 degrees with normal driving. I will replace it with a 195. 

This bypass technique will result in a longer heat up time. You want to get your water and oil up to operating temps prior to loading your engine. 

Respectfully, 
Henry V 

From larryall at pacbell.net  Mon Jan 25 13:13:30 2010
From: larryall at pacbell.net (larryall at pacbell.net)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:13:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] HROFE car
Message-ID: <31209.90670.qm@web83008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The picture of the vin plate clearly shows phillips screws holding it in
place.
I don't think those are original feature.
 
If it was a true HROFE car, wouldn't it be right-hand drive? The German
spec plate below the JAL plate is also an interesting piece... Wouldn't
expect to see that on a British-market car.

Theo

From dave at munroe.ca  Mon Jan 25 13:23:09 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:23:09 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Thanks to all for the great ideas. Re my few
 unrelatedquestions email.
In-Reply-To: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D408966002@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>
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Message-ID: <974113467-1264451020-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1398872585-@bda237.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

When my current engine build was completed, (bored and stroked 289 to 331 cu in) with all stock cooling apparati in place, the engine ran quickly on initial start-up to 225F and beyond.

A serious cooling study by two members on this list indicated that closing off the by-pass from the water pump to the block dropped the coolent temp by some 5 deg F, so I tried it.

It made no discernable difference, but then, at the temps it was running, who knows?

My cooling problems didn't really get resolved until I added a large alloy rad, blocked off the horn holes and added a small spoiler, a large electric pusher fan with a shroud, and a modern 14" mechanical fan.

So unless you have an overheating problem that is nearly cured and you want to fine tune it, I wouldn't bother. 

If you have a serious problem, you will have to do the big mods to get the big results.

-Dave
B382000450



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To: <davidandvarley at hotmail.com>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thanks to all for the great ideas. Re my few unrelated
 questions email.

This doesn't seem like a great idea.  Not sure why it would help. 

Maybe though......

>From my admittedly limited knowledge I would think a nice 180degree thermostat and that is about it.  


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From glowboy at starstream.net  Mon Jan 25 14:26:45 2010
From: glowboy at starstream.net (DERRICK SCHMIDT)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:26:45 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] HROFE car
Message-ID: <201001251326.AA995754180@mail.starstream.net>

The more plates, the more authentic!!!

;-)

Derrick
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: larryall at pacbell.net
Reply-To: larryall at pacbell.net
Date:  Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:13:30 -0800 (PST)

>The picture of the vin plate clearly shows phillips screws holding it in
>place.
>I don't think those are original feature.
> 
>If it was a true HROFE car, wouldn't it be right-hand drive? The German
>spec plate below the JAL plate is also an interesting piece... Wouldn't
>expect to see that on a British-market car.
>
>Theo
 




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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Mon Jan 25 14:31:19 2010
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:31:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tales of the Survivor
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20100125092112.02769e90@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <2072824722.15657301264455079918.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Actually, it came up about 3:45 (earlier than the revised schedule).
I was able to watch it live from their website.  I don't know how many
bidders were still there but by the time the Tiger came up, they were
really whipping them through, it only got a couple minutes.
It got a bid of $44K.

Some comments (not exact quotes but what I can remember) by Drew
the auction owner:
"I have owned several of these"
"You can't get an interior this nice except from the factory"   (I guess he
   never heard of Martha Wheat or Paul Reisentz)
"It has all the original ID tags and even a BAR sticker"    (wonder why it
   had that?)
"Some people try to make baby Cobra's out of these but they are best
  left stock"

And the best one:
"This should sell for $90K"

Gary


----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Hall 
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:33:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tales of the Survivor

Well the storm damage and subsequent delays changed the auction 
schedule considerably and the Tiger didn't get on stage until about 5 
PM yesterday afternoon.  By that time the crowd had thinned and many 
had already headed for home.  The bidding on the Tiger and Brad's 
other two cars did not make his reserves, so he will be taking all of 
them home.  Probably a lot of unhappy campers as a result of this 
stormy event, including the insurance companies.

Tom Hall
ModTiger Engineering LLC
www.tigerengineering.net

From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Jan 25 14:35:25 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:35:25 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Tales of the Survivor
Message-ID: <1c230.53ff857c.388f689d@aol.com>

Wow, and $44k didn't meet the reserve?
 
 
In a message dated 1/25/2010 4:33:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
garywinblad at comcast.net writes:

Actually, it came up about 3:45 (earlier than the revised  schedule).
I was able to watch it live from their website.  I don't  know how many
bidders were still there but by the time the Tiger came up,  they were
really whipping them through, it only got a couple minutes.
It  got a bid of $44K.

Some comments (not exact quotes but what I can  remember) by Drew
the auction owner:
"I have owned several of  these"
"You can't get an interior this nice except from the  factory"   (I guess he
never heard of Martha Wheat  or Paul Reisentz)
"It has all the original ID tags and even a BAR  sticker"    (wonder why it
had that?)
"Some  people try to make baby Cobra's out of these but they are best
left  stock"

And the best one:
"This should sell for  $90K"

Gary


----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Hall  
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:33:46 +0000  (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tales of the Survivor

Well the storm damage  and subsequent delays changed the auction 
schedule considerably and the  Tiger didn't get on stage until about 5 
PM yesterday afternoon.  By  that time the crowd had thinned and many 
had already headed for  home.  The bidding on the Tiger and Brad's 
other two cars did not  make his reserves, so he will be taking all of 
them home.  Probably a  lot of unhappy campers as a result of this 
stormy event, including the  insurance companies.

Tom Hall
ModTiger Engineering  LLC
www.tigerengineering.net
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 25 15:25:26 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:25:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tales of the Survivor
In-Reply-To: <1c230.53ff857c.388f689d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <439584.80870.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Mark- you forgot the BAR sticker. As I jest. I have no guess what reserve was
or should have been but the more it brought the higher the value of other
Tigers became and I think a Survivor does increase the value to collectors as
opposed to people like me- called owners.There will be another aucion with
less wind and perhaps higher bids.
TtT

 
 
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From: CoolVT at aol.com <CoolVT at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tales of the Survivor
To: garywinblad at comcast.net, modtiger at comcast.net
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 3:35 PM


Wow, and $44k didn't meet the reserve?


In a message dated 1/25/2010 4:33:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
garywinblad at comcast.net writes:

Actually, it came up about 3:45 (earlier than the revised  schedule).
I was able to watch it live from their website.  I don't  know how many
bidders were still there but by the time the Tiger came up,  they were
really whipping them through, it only got a couple minutes.
It  got a bid of $44K.

Some comments (not exact quotes but what I can  remember) by Drew
the auction owner:
"I have owned several of  these"
"You can't get an interior this nice except from the  factory"   (I guess he
never heard of Martha Wheat  or Paul Reisentz)
"It has all the original ID tags and even a BAR  sticker"    (wonder why it
had that?)
"Some  people try to make baby Cobra's out of these but they are best
left  stock"

And the best one:
"This should sell for  $90K"

Gary


----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Hall 
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:33:46 +0000  (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tales of the Survivor

Well the storm damage  and subsequent delays changed the auction
schedule considerably and the  Tiger didn't get on stage until about 5
PM yesterday afternoon.  By  that time the crowd had thinned and many
had already headed for  home.  The bidding on the Tiger and Brad's
other two cars did not  make his reserves, so he will be taking all of
them home.  Probably a  lot of unhappy campers as a result of this
stormy event, including the  insurance companies.

Tom Hall
ModTiger Engineering  LLC
www.tigerengineering.net
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From MWood24020 at aol.com  Mon Jan 25 17:33:47 2010
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:33:47 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Tales of the Survivor
Message-ID: <22be2.757df2da.388f926b@aol.com>

While I have no doubt that the weather...umm..."dampened" enthusiasm, I  do
n't know that the car would have made reserve, in any case. Prices seemed to 
 be really soft at the auctions this year, which isn't too surprising given 
the  general economic environment. My best, preauction guess was somewhere  
around $50k bid and I think the car is worth more than that to the owner.
 
 
In a message dated 1/25/2010 2:35:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
achd73 at yahoo.com writes:

Mark-  you forgot the BAR sticker. As I jest. I have no guess what reserve 
was
or  should have been but the more it brought the higher the value of  other
Tigers became and I think a Survivor does increase the value to  collectors 
as
opposed to people like me- called owners.There will be  another aucion with
less wind and perhaps higher  bids.
TtT



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From: CoolVT at aol.com  <CoolVT at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tales of the Survivor
To:  garywinblad at comcast.net, modtiger at comcast.net
Cc:  tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 3:35  PM


Wow, and $44k didn't meet the reserve?


In a message  dated 1/25/2010 4:33:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
garywinblad at comcast.net writes:

Actually, it came up about 3:45  (earlier than the revised  schedule).
I was able to watch it live from  their website.  I don't  know how many
bidders were still there  but by the time the Tiger came up,  they were
really whipping them  through, it only got a couple minutes.
It  got a bid of  $44K.

Some comments (not exact quotes but what I can  remember) by  Drew
the auction owner:
"I have owned several of  these"
"You  can't get an interior this nice except from the  factory"   (I  guess 
he
never heard of Martha Wheat  or Paul Reisentz)
"It has all  the original ID tags and even a BAR  sticker"    (wonder why  
it
had that?)
"Some  people try to make baby Cobra's out of these  but they are best
left  stock"

And the best one:
"This  should sell for  $90K"

Gary


----- Original Message  -----
From: Tom Hall 
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, 25 Jan  2010 17:33:46 +0000  (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tales of the  Survivor

Well the storm damage  and subsequent delays changed the  auction
schedule considerably and the  Tiger didn't get on stage until  about 5
PM yesterday afternoon.  By  that time the crowd had  thinned and many
had already headed for  home.  The bidding on  the Tiger and Brad's
other two cars did not  make his reserves, so he  will be taking all of
them home.  Probably a  lot of unhappy  campers as a result of this
stormy event, including the  insurance  companies.

Tom Hall
ModTiger Engineering   LLC
www.tigerengineering.net
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From dsmtjoy at cox.net  Tue Jan 26 03:49:15 2010
From: dsmtjoy at cox.net (Mountjoy)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:49:15 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: FIA Tiger???
Message-ID: <499E169EF8F442608C9FCED5F04D2550@computer>

This in from a friend in the UK on the FIA Tiger...
Darrell


"That car is known to us. It belongs to a member who bought it last summer,
impulsively I suspect, ran it in the annual Sunbeam Challenge at Silverstone
and then had a change of heart seemingly.

It started out in the UK and was exported to Germany a few years ago and whist
there received a German FIA treatment and did some endurance rallying. I have
to say it is not compliant with the FIA 509 form of recognition but I imagine
it can be brought into line quite readily.



Just been catching up with that disaster at Russo & Steele auction. I suppose
the owners insurance covers that sort of event.



Cheers

Graham"

From Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com  Tue Jan 26 12:21:41 2010
From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com (Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:21:41 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack
In-Reply-To: <mailman.17.1264532402.26056.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF140E1453.A93F66F6-ON852576B7.006A325B-852576B7.006A5DB5@sybase.com>

Just curious,

If you are installing an engine from underneath the car, does the steering 
rack have to be out?

thanks,

Paul

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 13:05:30 2010
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:05:30 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack
In-Reply-To: <OF140E1453.A93F66F6-ON852576B7.006A325B-852576B7.006A5DB5@sybase.com>
References: <mailman.17.1264532402.26056.tigers@autox.team.net>
	<OF140E1453.A93F66F6-ON852576B7.006A325B-852576B7.006A5DB5@sybase.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b1001261205q1209741ay10ca611c6e66e5cf@mail.gmail.com>

the whole cross member needs to be out and the steering rack is attached to
that, so yes.

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 1:21 PM, <Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com> wrote:

> Just curious,
>
> If you are installing an engine from underneath the car, does the steering
> rack have to be out?
>
> thanks,
>
> Paul
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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 26 13:06:52 2010
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:06:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack
In-Reply-To: <OF140E1453.A93F66F6-ON852576B7.006A325B-852576B7.006A5DB5@sybase.com>
Message-ID: <115597.41187.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Paul,
 
No it does not. However, you do need to remove the steering linkage arm
between the rack and the steering column. Before you remove it, put tape or a
mark where the splines line up, so that the steering wheel will end up in the
same place when you reinstall the linkage.
 
It is actually convenient to leave the rack on the crossmember as a handle for
maneuvering the front end around.
 
Gary

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From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com <Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com>
Subject: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 11:21 AM


Just curious,

If you are installing an engine from underneath the car, does the steering
rack have to be out?

thanks,

Paul
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Jan 26 13:13:23 2010
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:13:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack
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I just did this job.

NO, I left the rack in, you just need to lift the crank pulley up over the
rack.  BUT, it just BARELY can do this because the valve covers
(stock chrome, would never work with LAT covers IMHO), hit the
firewall, so next time I will unbolt the rack from the crossmember and
just move it forward out of the way (let the wheels toe-in).  I ended up
scratching the paint off the center of the rack, not a big deal in my
car at present...
Of course too, when most people r and r the engine from below, they
remove the crossmember first..  I didn't do that.  I used a 4-post lift, a
cheap engine hoist and a couple floor jacks and did it all by myself.
Having a helper would be good...

Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Tonizzo 
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:21:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack

Just curious,

If you are installing an engine from underneath the car, does the steering 
rack have to be out?

thanks,

Paul
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Jan 26 13:17:38 2010
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:17:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack
Message-ID: <1319076080.16129041264537058800.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I just did this job.

NO, I left the rack in, you just need to lift the crank pulley up over the
rack.  BUT, it just BARELY can do this because the valve covers
(stock chrome, would never work with LAT covers IMHO), hit the
firewall, so next time I will unbolt the rack from the crossmember and
just move it forward out of the way (let the wheels toe-in).  I ended up
scratching the paint off the center of the rack, not a big deal in my
car at present...
Of course too, when most people r and r the engine from below, they
remove the crossmember first..  I didn't do that.  I used a 4-post lift, a
cheap engine hoist and a couple floor jacks and did it all by myself.
Having a helper would be good...

Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Tonizzo 
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:21:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack

Just curious,

If you are installing an engine from underneath the car, does the steering 
rack have to be out?

thanks,

Paul

From Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com  Tue Jan 26 13:41:14 2010
From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com (Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:41:14 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: engine installing and steering SHAFT not rack
Message-ID: <OFC835C487.9B1A68AD-ON852576B7.00718652-852576B7.0071A602@sybase.com>

Sorry, I mean't steering SHAFT. (Of course the rack is out because the 
crossmember is out.)

Paul

----- Forwarded by Paul Tonizzo/SYBASE on 01/26/2010 03:40 PM -----
Just curious,

If you are installing an engine from underneath the car, does the steering 
rack have to be out?

thanks,

Paul

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 13:41:52 2010
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:41:52 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack
In-Reply-To: <1319076080.16129041264537058800.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1319076080.16129041264537058800.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <39a841b1001261241v16b248fv30cfe29581890169@mail.gmail.com>

you removed it from underneath without removing the crossmember?  wow.  i'm
pretty certain i couldn't do that with my engine.   especially it the
harmonic balancer was still on.

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:17 PM, <garywinblad at comcast.net> wrote:

> I just did this job.
>
> NO, I left the rack in, you just need to lift the crank pulley up over the
> rack.  BUT, it just BARELY can do this because the valve covers
> (stock chrome, would never work with LAT covers IMHO), hit the
> firewall, so next time I will unbolt the rack from the crossmember and
> just move it forward out of the way (let the wheels toe-in).  I ended up
> scratching the paint off the center of the rack, not a big deal in my
> car at present...
> Of course too, when most people r and r the engine from below, they
> remove the crossmember first..  I didn't do that.  I used a 4-post lift, a
> cheap engine hoist and a couple floor jacks and did it all by myself.
> Having a helper would be good...
>
> Gary
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Tonizzo
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:21:41 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack
>
> Just curious,
>
> If you are installing an engine from underneath the car, does the steering
> rack have to be out?
>
> thanks,
>
> Paul
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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 13:52:52 2010
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:52:52 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: engine installing and steering SHAFT not rack
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ok, then, no.

but it can make getting headers back on a little easier when replacing the
engine and its easier enough to remove.

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:41 PM, <Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com> wrote:

> Sorry, I mean't steering SHAFT. (Of course the rack is out because the
> crossmember is out.)
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Forwarded by Paul Tonizzo/SYBASE on 01/26/2010 03:40 PM -----
> Just curious,
>
> If you are installing an engine from underneath the car, does the steering
> rack have to be out?
>
> thanks,
>
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Jan 26 14:07:37 2010
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:07:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack
In-Reply-To: <39a841b1001261241v16b248fv30cfe29581890169@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <676951080.16154381264540057682.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hi Owain,
Yes, left it in including wheels, rack, brake lines, alignment(!).
You probably could do it too.  This was the first time I did because
it was the first time I had my lift.

I left the water pump and damper/pulley on too.
Of course I did remove the radiator, alternator and the headers.
I think it only makes it worse but I do have a regular Mustang T-5
tranny so I had to remove my custom tranny tunnel cover and the
shifter from the T-5.  I did remove the carb and distributor cap and
wires just so they wouldn't get damaged.
I built a custom dolly to hold the engine/trans that just rolls under
the car and then the lift lowers the car over it.  Then I use the engine
hoist to lift the front of the engine up and forward and the floor
jack to raise the tranny, slide them both back, push, shove, wiggle
and bolt em back in..

Gary



----- Original Message -----
From: Owain Lloyd 
To: garywinblad at comcast.net
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:41:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack

you removed it from underneath without removing the crossmember?  wow.  i'm pretty certain i couldn't do that with my engine.   especially it the harmonic balancer was still on.

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:17 PM,  <garywinblad at comcast.net> wrote:

From modtiger at comcast.net  Tue Jan 26 14:39:16 2010
From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:39:16 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] engine installing and steering SHAFT not rack
In-Reply-To: <OFC835C487.9B1A68AD-ON852576B7.00718652-852576B7.0071A602@
	sybase.com>
References: <OFC835C487.9B1A68AD-ON852576B7.00718652-852576B7.0071A602@sybase.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20100126132338.03968d50@comcast.net>

At 12:41 PM 1/26/2010, you wrote:
>Sorry, I mean't steering SHAFT. (Of course the rack is out because the
>crossmember is out.)
>
>Paul

You will find it more efficient to remove the steering column when 
removing and replacing the engine/tranny assembly.  You can also 
leave the left side of the engine assembled including headers and 
spark plugs. while doing the R&R, as long as the exhaust is not an 
interference.  The access allowed with the column removed makes the 
job much quicker. By breaking the steering U-joints at the top joint, 
with the flat relief, you are able to maintain the proper "clocking" 
of the steering wheel to the rack.  Final checking of the header 
bolts and installation of the spark plug wires is much quicker 
without fighting the column.  It's kind of like removing the seats to 
work under the dash.  Once you've done some of these little things to 
make the job easier, you won't regret it.


Tom Hall
ModTiger Engineering LLC
www.tigerengineering.net

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 26 14:54:21 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:54:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack
In-Reply-To: <939133522.16127081264536803934.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <322745.16101.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Gary- would it not be easier to remove the 3 bolts holding the pulley on, so
it isnt hitting the rack- that would be esier than removing the rack IMO/
TtT

--- On Tue, 1/26/10, garywinblad at comcast.net <garywinblad at comcast.net> wrote:


From: garywinblad at comcast.net <garywinblad at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack
To: "Paul Tonizzo" <Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:13 PM


I just did this job.

NO, I left the rack in, you just need to lift the crank pulley up over the
rack.  BUT, it just BARELY can do this because the valve covers
(stock chrome, would never work with LAT covers IMHO), hit the
firewall, so next time I will unbolt the rack from the crossmember and
just move it forward out of the way (let the wheels toe-in).  I ended up
scratching the paint off the center of the rack, not a big deal in my
car at present...
Of course too, when most people r and r the engine from below, they
remove the crossmember first..  I didn't do that.  I used a 4-post lift, a
cheap engine hoist and a couple floor jacks and did it all by myself.
Having a helper would be good...

Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Tonizzo
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:21:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack

Just curious,

If you are installing an engine from underneath the car, does the steering
rack have to be out?

thanks,

Paul
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Jan 26 17:43:29 2010
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 00:43:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack
In-Reply-To: <322745.16101.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <25506672.16260131264553009401.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hi Tony,
Well, in my case that would be 4 bolts for the pulley (5.0L motor).
But that would only give maybe 2inches more clearance but I need
at least 4inches to get the T-5 out of the X-frame.  Dunno... even
with the rack and pulley in place I did get the engine out and back.
I am talking just the 4 rack mount bolts (and the steering column
I guess) not the PITA tie rod ends.
I am not sure I could even get the pulley bolts out with the steering
rack in the way... looks like you might have to rotate the crank at
least..

Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Somebody 
To: garywinblad at comcast.net
Cc: Beamclub 
Sent: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:54:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine installing and steering rack

Gary- would it not be easier to remove the 3 bolts holding the pulley on, so it isnt hitting the rack- that would be esier than removing the rack IMO/TtT

From davidandvarley at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 26 18:12:09 2010
From: davidandvarley at hotmail.com (David and Varley Tweddle)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:12:09 +0800
Subject: [Tigers] Waterless coolant - Sunbeam Tiger - Perth W.A. - Some
 Aussie info
Message-ID: <BLU148-W234B5092B8597C734520D0CF5D0@phx.gbl>

Some of you have expressed interest in the "Waterless coolant".....here is my
question to Aussie Supplier and his response.

QUESTION..........

From: David and Varley Tweddle [mailto:davidandvarley at hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 12:01 AM
To: Wal
Subject: Waterless coolant - Sunbeam Tiger - Perth W.A.

Hi,

I have a "hot" Sunbeam Tiger.

It is very difficult to keep cool on days > 30C!!

It has a 302W running high compression etc etc.

Do you think the waterless coolant would help?

Is there an Agent in Perth?

I'm going to Philip Island for the Historic meeting in March. Is this coolant
able to be packed/flown in my luggage?

Thanks for any info.

Cheers
David Tweddle
0400774936

ps....I used to run grass track (Romsey) and Short Circuit (Seymour) a little
slower than Gary Flood....way back in the 60's!! Does he still ride?

RESPONSE

jeff.eakin at comcast.net
tigers at autox.team.net

Hi David,

Hard to say ? we find that using the Evans NPG+ actually increases the running
temps by between 5 to 10 degrees c, but the product has a much higher boiling
point.

No we do not have an agent in Perth, we can send the product to you by post.

I dont think the Airlines would like to see it airfeighted.

The Evans NPG+ sells for $ 79.43 per US gallon ( 3.77 liters )

Nope, Gary dont ride anymore, but runs the place here now.

Regards

Wal

MY THOUGHTS....

Very expensive...but then again a cooler Tiger is priceless!!Increased running
temp not good but not being able to boil is better.My car has only ever puked
once (at Wanneroo road race track) when it was 42C. So normally it just runs
hotter than I'm comfortable with. When it puked I had to stop!Think I'll try
thermo bypass blanking, then heater elimination, increased size of lower -
below rad air dam, shutting hood(bonnet) I have it jacked up at rear but have
read this is very high pressure air at rear of hood and may in fact be
worse.Temps here in Perth forecast 38C+ for next week or so....I'll see if I
can attach some of this and send it over to the US, some of the kind
responders mentioned they coulddo with some of our excess. Wait, can't attach
things on this forum....drat!
Thanks again for all the wisdom here on this invaluable resource.

Cheers
"Hot" David Tweddle

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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 15:48:31 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:48:31 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Miami Tiger people
Message-ID: <d86d088a1001271448x10fd8204kca0fe5f9f404048e@mail.gmail.com>

Guys,

A local Sunbeamer in Australia (and a CAT member) is gogin to the USA for a
holiday. He is flying into Miami in Feb.. are there any Tiger or Alpine
people around that could maybe meet up for a drink and some car talk?

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Wed Jan 27 17:38:17 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:38:17 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] LAT-70 Wheels for sale?
In-Reply-To: <BLU148-W234B5092B8597C734520D0CF5D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C78646A9.994%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

Hi all.  Does anyone know where I might find a good deal on a set of LAT-70
wheels?  I missed out on a couple of sets at the end of the summer, but am
still hopeful I'll find a set for my car.  Thanks!  Mauro - Vienna, VA

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 17:47:52 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:47:52 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] LAT-70 Wheels for sale?
In-Reply-To: <C78646A9.994%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
References: <BLU148-W234B5092B8597C734520D0CF5D0@phx.gbl>
	<C78646A9.994%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <d86d088a1001271647q46df9785s5d60718d6dcea5ee@mail.gmail.com>

I think mod tiger engineeernig was gogint o repro them.. they can also do
other sizes and offsets... IIRC

2010/1/28 MAURO D'ANGELO <m_dangelo at verizon.net>

> Hi all.  Does anyone know where I might find a good deal on a set of LAT-70
> wheels?  I missed out on a couple of sets at the end of the summer, but am
> still hopeful I'll find a set for my car.  Thanks!  Mauro - Vienna, VA



-- 
Regards

Michael King

From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Wed Jan 27 17:56:02 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:56:02 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Spare HEH-E Transmission available for sale
In-Reply-To: <BLU148-W234B5092B8597C734520D0CF5D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C7864AD2.998%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

Hi everybody.  My 1966 Mark 1A Tiger still has its original drive train
installed (matching numbers).  I also have an original Mark 2 engine and
HEH-CF transmission on the bench and my plan is to put the original 260
engine and close ratio transmission on mothballs and install the Mark 2 289
and wide ratio in the car.  I wont separate the original drive train from
the car.  

So far, so good. I also have a separate Mark 1 close ratio transmission that
I bought when I was not sure what my plan was.  This transmission came from
a 30,000 mile car that was parked decades ago. The owner did not win at a
car show and was so upset he just parked the car, where it remained until
after he passed away.  Now I have it and I don't need it. I believe it's a
use-as-is transmission that needs nothing.  I paid $1000 for it and would
like to just recoup my money. I'm just wondering if anyone out there might
have an interest in it.

Please let me know.  Thanks.  Mauro

From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Wed Jan 27 17:58:54 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:58:54 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] LAT-70 Wheels for sale?
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a1001271647q46df9785s5d60718d6dcea5ee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C7864B7E.999%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

Thanks, but aren9t the reproduction wheels somehow different from the
originals?  I have never seen either in person, unfortunately...  Thanks.


On 1/27/10 7:47 PM, "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think mod tiger engineeernig was gogint o repro them.. they can also do
> other sizes and offsets... IIRC
>
> 2010/1/28 MAURO D'ANGELO <m_dangelo at verizon.net>
>> Hi all.  Does anyone know where I might find a good deal on a set of
LAT-70
>> wheels?  I missed out on a couple of sets at the end of the summer, but am
>> still hopeful I'll find a set for my car.  Thanks!  Mauro - Vienna, VA
>  
>  

From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 28 10:33:00 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:33:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] LAT-70 Wheels for sale?
In-Reply-To: <C78646A9.994%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <507511.17136.qm@web111602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I believe SS is still making and selling excellent repos.  Better, because
they meet DOT specs.  They even sell the spinners.

--- On Thu, 1/28/10, MAURO D'ANGELO <m_dangelo at verizon.net> wrote:


From: MAURO D'ANGELO <m_dangelo at verizon.net>
Subject: [Tigers] LAT-70 Wheels for sale?
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 12:38 AM


Hi all.  Does anyone know where I might find a good deal on a set of LAT-70
wheels?  I missed out on a couple of sets at the end of the summer, but am
still hopeful I'll find a set for my car.  Thanks!  Mauro - Vienna, VA
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From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Thu Jan 28 18:41:50 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:41:50 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Interior Pictures of Tiger Hard Top
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20100126132338.03968d50@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C787A70E.9C2%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

My Tiger's hard top, which is otherwise in good shape, has no headliner in
it.  I have a headliner to install, but would like to see what a properly
installed headliner should look like.  Does anyone have pictures of the
interior of a hard top to give me a good idea?  Thanks in advance!  Mauro

From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Thu Jan 28 18:46:27 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:46:27 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood?
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20100126132338.03968d50@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C787A823.9C4%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

Has anyone seen or used an original Tiger/Alpine hood with a bolt-on hood
scoop instead of an LAT hood?  If so, what kind of scoop (Thunderbird?)?  I
wonder what sort of hole would need to be cut into the hood for the scoop.
Does anyone have any pictures, top and bottom side of such a hood that they
would be willing to send to me, please?  Thanks in advance!  Mauro

From jim at island.net  Thu Jan 28 19:02:44 2010
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:02:44 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] ...yet another e-bay Tiger...
Message-ID: <02326FEB04174F43BAAB24F387B3CDB7@JIMPC>

I'm looking at a Tiger on e-bay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-SUNBEAMTIGER-1965-SUNBEAM-TIGER-M
K1a-289-2V-4-SPD-RESTORED-BLACK_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2a046883b4QQitemZ
180462584756QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks

 

or item#  180462584756 if the link doesn't work.

 

 

The ad states it has an 'original factory production patent plate' from
Pressed Steel and a link to a pic.

http://www.fraserdante.com/4104%20-%2065%20Sunbeam%20Tiger%20-%20black/paten
tplate.html

 

Has anybody ever  heard of such a thing? Or am I totally out of the loop
here??

 

Jim

B382000446

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 28 19:56:04 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:56:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] ...yet another e-bay Tiger...
In-Reply-To: <02326FEB04174F43BAAB24F387B3CDB7@JIMPC>
Message-ID: <670086.33229.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jim I thought the best part was the frame off restoration and the Tiger
history lesson he gave to go with the car. Lots of things wrong- small stuff,
like side moulding, dash, no cubby light and a tach hanging down- guess the
stock one doesnt work. It also states the LOST vin was replaced after someone
in the Tiger community provided paper work it was the car matching the given
vin while using the numbers from the rearend and tranny to backup their claim.
I didnt see a pic of the Georiga provided VIN plate but find it unusual a car
is issued a VIN plate replacing the lost one. I was told that couldnt be done
as it had been discussed many times and once the VIN plate is lost you are
just screwed. Very curious how this was managed. It is nice and black with
inormation that seems like they are trying to convince someone what they say
is true. IMO of course.
TtT

--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Jim <jim at island.net> wrote:


From: Jim <jim at island.net>
Subject: [Tigers] ...yet another e-bay Tiger...
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 8:02 PM


I'm looking at a Tiger on e-bay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-SUNBEAMTIGER-1965-SUNBEAM-TIGER-M
K1a-289-2V-4-SPD-RESTORED-BLACK_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2a046883b4QQitemZ
180462584756QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks



or item#  180462584756 if the link doesn't work.





The ad states it has an 'original factory production patent plate' from
Pressed Steel and a link to a pic.

http://www.fraserdante.com/4104%20-%2065%20Sunbeam%20Tiger%20-%20black/paten
tplate.html



Has anybody ever  heard of such a thing? Or am I totally out of the loop
here??



Jim

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From jteepen at usatoday.com  Thu Jan 28 20:02:01 2010
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:02:01 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood?
In-Reply-To: <C787A823.9C4%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
References: <7.0.0.16.2.20100126132338.03968d50@comcast.net>
	<C787A823.9C4%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E155441EE70D20@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>

The scoop you are referring to was very much like (or the same as) those used
on the 289 Cobra racecars.  I know Steve Alcala (El Segundo, CA) used to sell
them and he may still.  The scoop was not bolted on, but riveted on.  The hole
depends on what air cleaner is in use.  Measure carefully!


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:46 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood?

Has anyone seen or used an original Tiger/Alpine hood with a bolt-on hood
scoop instead of an LAT hood?  If so, what kind of scoop (Thunderbird?)?  I
wonder what sort of hole would need to be cut into the hood for the scoop.
Does anyone have any pictures, top and bottom side of such a hood that they
would be willing to send to me, please?  Thanks in advance!  Mauro

From CoolVT at aol.com  Thu Jan 28 20:31:13 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:31:13 EST
Subject: [Tigers] ...yet another e-bay Tiger...
Message-ID: <1fb0a.54884ba8.3893b081@aol.com>

Seems to be  a nice looking car. This quote was  interesting..."Initially 
this Tiger was taken apart in the start of the  restoration; the restoration 
work started with the body was taken off the  frame, then they quit, at this 
point the VIN was lost by the first  shop,"
 
 
In a message dated 1/28/2010 9:02:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jim at island.net writes:

I'm  looking at a Tiger on  e-bay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-SUNBEAMTIGER-1965-SUNBEAM-TIGER-M
K1a-289-2V-4-SPD-RESTORED-BLACK_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2a046883b4QQitemZ
180462584756QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks



or  item#  180462584756 if the link doesn't work.





The  ad states it has an 'original factory production patent plate' from
Pressed  Steel and a link to a  pic.

http://www.fraserdante.com/4104%20-%2065%20Sunbeam%20Tiger%20-%20black/paten
tplate.html



Has  anybody ever  heard of such a thing? Or am I totally out of the  loop
here??



Jim

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From srwick at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 28 20:32:48 2010
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:32:48 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood?
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20100126132338.03968d50@comcast.net><C787A823.9C4%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
	<E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E155441EE70D20@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
References: <7.0.0.16.2.20100126132338.03968d50@comcast.net><C787A823.9C4%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
	<E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E155441EE70D20@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
Message-ID: <COL122-DS14895D27E40573C2E8D3C5D85B0@phx.gbl>

You might consider the hood scoop from a 2006-2008 Shelby GT (not GT500)
Mustang. Mine looks like the originals', including fake rivets around the
perimeter, but is bolted on from underneath. It's non-functional but it
shouldn't be to much of a problem to make it functional. The plus side is,
they are new and available. Just another option.

Steve
  ----- Original Message -----
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  To: MAURO D'ANGELO<mailto:m_dangelo at verizon.net> ;
tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood?


  The scoop you are referring to was very much like (or the same as) those
used
  on the 289 Cobra racecars.  I know Steve Alcala (El Segundo, CA) used to
sell
  them and he may still.  The scoop was not bolted on, but riveted on.  The
hole
  depends on what air cleaner is in use.  Measure carefully!


  -----Original Message-----
  From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>
[mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
  Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO
  Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:46 PM
  To: tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
  Subject: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood?

  Has anyone seen or used an original Tiger/Alpine hood with a bolt-on hood
  scoop instead of an LAT hood?  If so, what kind of scoop (Thunderbird?)?  I
  wonder what sort of hole would need to be cut into the hood for the scoop.
  Does anyone have any pictures, top and bottom side of such a hood that they
  would be willing to send to me, please?  Thanks in advance!  Mauro
  _______________________________________________

From cars at wt-inc.com  Thu Jan 28 20:38:51 2010
From: cars at wt-inc.com (Lynn Wall)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:38:51 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] ...yet another e-bay Tiger...
In-Reply-To: <670086.33229.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <02326FEB04174F43BAAB24F387B3CDB7@JIMPC>
	<670086.33229.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601caa094$932c2bf0$b98483d0$@com>

I don't want to pass judgment on this particular Tiger but I agree with what
TtT said.  However, I would like to let people know that I have lost vin
plates and replaced Vin plates in California, and Utah.  Both times I just
told them the VIN number I wanted to register and it was no problem, I did
have the paperwork in one case and just a believable story in the other
(fire).  They went out to look at the replaced vin plate and that was that.
I was NEVER questioned about screws, rivets, bubble gum adhesive, VIN plate
originality etc.  I keep hearing people mention that they know someone that
knows someone that had their car sent to the crusher.  Maybe it happened, I
don't know and don't claim to know.  I just know that I have done it several
times without a single problem.

I'm sure there are places that it can't be done but there are also many
places that it can be done. 

Maybe it's just good clean livin.

FWIW, Lynn



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Tony Somebody
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:56 PM
To: Jim
Cc: Beamclub
Subject: Re: [Tigers] ...yet another e-bay Tiger...

Jim I thought the best part was the frame off restoration and the Tiger
history lesson he gave to go with the car. Lots of things wrong- small
stuff,
like side moulding, dash, no cubby light and a tach hanging down- guess the
stock one doesnt work. It also states the LOST vin was replaced after
someone
in the Tiger community provided paper work it was the car matching the given
vin while using the numbers from the rearend and tranny to backup their
claim.
I didnt see a pic of the Georiga provided VIN plate but find it unusual a
car
is issued a VIN plate replacing the lost one. I was told that couldnt be
done
as it had been discussed many times and once the VIN plate is lost you are
just screwed. Very curious how this was managed. It is nice and black with
inormation that seems like they are trying to convince someone what they say
is true. IMO of course.
TtT

--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Jim <jim at island.net> wrote:


From: Jim <jim at island.net>
Subject: [Tigers] ...yet another e-bay Tiger...
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 8:02 PM


I'm looking at a Tiger on e-bay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-SUNBEAMTIGER-1965-SUNBEAM-TIGER-M
K1a-289-2V-4-SPD-RESTORED-BLACK_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2a046883b4QQitemZ
180462584756QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks



or item#  180462584756 if the link doesn't work.





The ad states it has an 'original factory production patent plate' from
Pressed Steel and a link to a pic.

http://www.fraserdante.com/4104%20-%2065%20Sunbeam%20Tiger%20-%20black/paten
tplate.html



Has anybody ever  heard of such a thing? Or am I totally out of the loop
here??



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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 20:43:38 2010
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:43:38 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] ...yet another e-bay Tiger...
In-Reply-To: <1fb0a.54884ba8.3893b081@aol.com>
References: <1fb0a.54884ba8.3893b081@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A81487E6108745FCA77A95222A78C32D@OfficePC>

Hey,

The Pressed Steel plate is located under the carpet on the jump seat area
behind the driver's seat.

Have Fun,
Joe Brown



The  ad states it has an 'original factory production patent plate' from
Pressed  Steel and a link to a  pic.

http://www.fraserdante.com/4104%20-%2065%20Sunbeam%20Tiger%20-%20black/paten
tplate.html



Has  anybody ever  heard of such a thing? Or am I totally out of the  loop
here??



Jim

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From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Thu Jan 28 20:45:38 2010
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:45:38 EST
Subject: [Tigers] ...yet another e-bay Tiger...
Message-ID: <1ffea.d2559d9.3893b3e2@aol.com>

Darn it all to heck. My 66 MK1A has no frame. Where can I get  
one???????????????????????????
 
 
In a message dated 1/28/2010 7:31:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
CoolVT at aol.com writes:

Seems to  be  a nice looking car. This quote was  interesting..."Initially  
this Tiger was taken apart in the start of the  restoration; the  
restoration 
work started with the body was taken off the  frame, then  they quit, at 
this 
point the VIN was lost by the first   shop,"


In a message dated 1/28/2010 9:02:52 P.M. Eastern Standard  Time,  
jim at island.net writes:

I'm  looking at a Tiger  on   e-bay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-SUNBEAMTIGER-1965-SUNBEAM-TIGER-M
K1a-289-2V-4-SPD-RESTORED-BLACK_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2a046883b4QQitemZ
180462584756QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks



or   item#  180462584756 if the link doesn't  work.





The  ad states it has an 'original factory  production patent plate' from
Pressed  Steel and a link to a   pic.

http://www.fraserdante.com/4104%20-%2065%20Sunbeam%20Tiger%20-%20black/paten
tplate.html



Has   anybody ever  heard of such a thing? Or am I totally out of the   loop
here??



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From MWood24020 at aol.com  Thu Jan 28 21:01:29 2010
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:01:29 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood?
Message-ID: <1fff3.48e21ab8.3893b799@aol.com>

I ordered what I thought was a replica of the original Cobra FIA scoop from 
 Tony Branda and it ended up being the same scoop as I have on my '07 
Mustang  Shelby GT. It appeared out of place when I mocked it up on the  Tiger, 
as it was just too big and covered too much hood space.The Cobra scoop is  
smaller and more in scale with the Tiger's hood, I'd say. I sent it  back.
 
Alcala makes a very nice aluminum replica, but the price is very much in  
line with his great workmanship...
 
I'm sure, with more research, there is a good source for a proper FIA Cobra 
 scoop at a reasonable price, but I've tabled the idea for now...just can't 
bear  the thought of cutting into my freshly painted hood!
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/28/2010 7:32:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
srwick at hotmail.com writes:

You  might consider the hood scoop from a 2006-2008 Shelby GT (not  GT500)
Mustang. Mine looks like the originals', including fake rivets  around the
perimeter, but is bolted on from underneath. It's non-functional  but it
shouldn't be to much of a problem to make it functional. The plus  side is,
they are new and available. Just another  option.

Steve
----- Original Message -----
From:  Teepen, Jere<mailto:jteepen at usatoday.com>
To: MAURO  D'ANGELO<mailto:m_dangelo at verizon.net>  ;
tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent:  Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on  Hood Scoop On Original Hood?


The scoop you are referring to  was very much like (or the same as) those
used
on the 289 Cobra  racecars.  I know Steve Alcala (El Segundo, CA) used to
sell
them and he may still.  The scoop was not bolted on, but riveted  on.  The
hole
depends on what air cleaner is in use.   Measure carefully!


-----Original Message-----
From:  tigers-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>
[mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]  On
Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO
Sent: Thursday, January 28,  2010 5:46 PM
To:  tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject:  [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood?

Has anyone seen or  used an original Tiger/Alpine hood with a bolt-on hood
scoop instead  of an LAT hood?  If so, what kind of scoop (Thunderbird?)?   
I
wonder what sort of hole would need to be cut into the hood for  the scoop.
Does anyone have any pictures, top and bottom side of  such a hood that they
would be willing to send to me, please?   Thanks in advance!  Mauro
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 28 21:14:30 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:14:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] ...yet another e-bay Tiger...
In-Reply-To: <1ffea.d2559d9.3893b3e2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <706214.13324.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

What really amazes me is it seems like every week a couple more Tigers find
their way to epay or Craig's list. I would imagine that all might not be real
Tigers , for example the one that was a UK car that Norm had in his records as
having gone to the salvage yard. I'm glad that cars are being restored and
perhaps even cars that have been parked are being bought by new perspective
clubs and  LIST members. Its great when we get more people show up at SUNI or
TE/AE- I will make it to a CAT United if God allows me to live long enough,
just have to may names to put faces with. SUNI was a blast. Not only the folks
I met but knew from emails but I did some people watching and we have a
wonderful variety of owners. The best part is just how many members we have
who are highly educated or perhaps I should say intelligent, especially with
Tiger subjects but several that would be sharp in a room full of bowling
balls. Its great to have those members to draw from
 when you have a problem. It seems someone has had experience in fixing almost
any problem. Keep finding those Tigers folks, then join a club or
three.Cheers, TtT






In a message dated 1/28/2010 9:02:52 P.M. Eastern Standard  Time, 
jim at island.net writes:

I'm  looking at a Tiger  on   e-bay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-SUNBEAMTIGER-1965-SUNBEAM-TIGER-M
K1a-289-2V-4-SPD-RESTORED-BLACK_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2a046883b4QQitemZ
180462584756QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks



or   item#  180462584756 if the link doesn't  work.





The  ad states it has an 'original factory  production patent plate' from
Pressed  Steel and a link to a   pic.

http://www.fraserdante.com/4104%20-%2065%20Sunbeam%20Tiger%20-%20black/paten
tplate.html



Has   anybody ever  heard of such a thing? Or am I totally out of the   loop
here??



Jim

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From motoys2001 at comcast.net  Thu Jan 28 22:37:46 2010
From: motoys2001 at comcast.net (motoys2001 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:37:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood?
In-Reply-To: <2118229159.407581264742991381.JavaMail.root@sz0153a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1121692574.409981264743466085.JavaMail.root@sz0153a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

http://www.snakebite.com.au/fibreglassbonnetscoop-p-47.html 
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/703052/7 

From motoys2001 at comcast.net  Thu Jan 28 22:43:10 2010
From: motoys2001 at comcast.net (motoys2001 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:43:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood?
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http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/2813/1041/7030520049_large.jpg 

From spook01 at comcast.net  Thu Jan 28 22:45:12 2010
From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:45:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood?
In-Reply-To: <1fff3.48e21ab8.3893b799@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1829276208.988501264743912669.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

check with the cobra replicators.B 



----- Original Message -----
From: MWood24020@ aol .com
To: srwick @ hotmail .com, tigers@ autox .team.net
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:01:29 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood?

I ordered what I thought was a replica of the original Cobra FIA scoop from
B Tony Branda and it ended up being the same scoop as I have on my '07
Mustang B Shelby GT. It appeared out of place when I mocked it up on the
B Tiger,
as it was just too big and covered too much hood space.The Cobra scoop is B 
smaller and more in scale with the Tiger's hood, I'd say. I sent it B back.
B 
Alcala makes a very nice aluminum replica, but the price is very much in B 
line with his great workmanship...
B 
I'm sure, with more research, there is a good source for a proper FIA Cobra
B scoop at a reasonable price, but I've tabled the idea for now...just can't
bear B the thought of cutting into my freshly painted hood!
B 
B 
B 
In a message dated 1/28/2010 7:32:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, B 
srwick @ hotmail .com writes:

You B might consider the hood scoop from a 2006-2008 Shelby GT (not B GT500)
Mustang. Mine looks like the originals' , including fake rivets B around the
perimeter, but is bolted on from underneath. It's non-functional B but it
shouldn't be to much of a problem to make it functional. The plus B side is,
they are new and available. Just another B option.

Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: B  Teepen , Jere< mailto : jteepen @ usatoday .com>
To: MAURO B  D'ANGELO < mailto : m_dangelo @ verizon .net> B ;
tigers@ autox .team.net< mailto :tigers@ autox .team.net>
Sent: B Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on B Hood Scoop On Original Hood?


The scoop you are referring to B was very much like (or the same as) those
used
on the 289 Cobra B  racecars . B I know Steve Alcala (El Segundo, CA) used to
sell
them and he may still. B The scoop was not bolted on, but riveted B on. B The
hole
depends on what air cleaner is in use. B  Measure carefully!


-----Original Message-----
From: B tigers-bounces@ autox .team.net< mailto :tigers-bounces@ autox
.team.net>
[ mailto :tigers-bounces@ autox .team.net] B On
Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO
Sent: Thursday, January 28, B 2010 5:46 PM
To: B tigers@ autox .team.net< mailto :tigers@ autox .team.net>
Subject: B [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood?

Has anyone seen or B used an original Tiger/Alpine hood with a bolt-on hood
scoop instead B of an LAT hood? B If so, what kind of scoop ( Thunderbird ?)?
B 
I
wonder what sort of hole would need to be cut into the hood for B the scoop.
Does anyone have any pictures, top and bottom side of B such a hood that they
would be willing to send to me, please? B  Thanks in advance! B Mauro
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Jan 28 23:09:14 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:09:14 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] ...yet another e-bay Tiger...
In-Reply-To: <02326FEB04174F43BAAB24F387B3CDB7@JIMPC>
Message-ID: <BE978E9C3BB34871B661EA298CD7DE11@ronpc1>

	Interesting they detuned the 289 with the 260 intake manifold.
The carb is at least a 1966 model with manual choke.
My best guess without the original engine number is that the engine should
have been painted black.
If I read the new Vin correctly it now ends in LRXFF.???
Details, details.
It does look nice though.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:03 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] ...yet another e-bay Tiger...


I'm looking at a Tiger on e-bay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-SUNBEAMTIGER-1965-SUNBEAM-TIGER-M
K1a-289-2V-4-SPD-RESTORED-BLACK_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2a046883b4QQitemZ
180462584756QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks



or item#  180462584756 if the link doesn't work.





The ad states it has an 'original factory production patent plate' from
Pressed Steel and a link to a pic.

http://www.fraserdante.com/4104%20-%2065%20Sunbeam%20Tiger%20-%20black/paten
tplate.html



Has anybody ever  heard of such a thing? Or am I totally out of the loop
here??



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From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Fri Jan 29 04:26:38 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 06:26:38 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] ...yet another eBay Tiger...
In-Reply-To: <670086.33229.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C788301E.9E4%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

This car has been for sale for a very long time.  When I was looking for my
Tiger and knew little, this one spooked me.  About the state issued VIN, I
had a 1973 Porsche that had been stolen at some point in its life.  The
numbers were ground off the tub.  Nonetheless, the car had a Virginia state
issued VIN tag affixed to the door jamb.  This was probably done decades
before I got the car, so it may be different today.  Cheers.  Mauro


On 1/28/10 9:56 PM, "Tony Somebody" <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Jim I thought the best part was the frame off restoration and the Tiger
> history lesson he gave to go with the car. Lots of things wrong- small stuff,
> like side moulding, dash, no cubby light and a tach hanging down- guess the
> stock one doesnt work. It also states the LOST vin was replaced after someone
> in the Tiger community provided paper work it was the car matching the given
> vin while using the numbers from the rearend and tranny to backup their claim.
> I didnt see a pic of the Georiga provided VIN plate but find it unusual a car
> is issued a VIN plate replacing the lost one. I was told that couldnt be done
> as it had been discussed many times and once the VIN plate is lost you are
> just screwed. Very curious how this was managed. It is nice and black with
> inormation that seems like they are trying to convince someone what they say
> is true. IMO of course.
> TtT
> 
> --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Jim <jim at island.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Jim <jim at island.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] ...yet another e-bay Tiger...
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 8:02 PM
> 
> 
> I'm looking at a Tiger on e-bay.
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-SUNBEAMTIGER-1965-SUNBEAM-TIGER-M
> K1a-289-2V-4-SPD-RESTORED-BLACK_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2a046883b4QQitemZ
> 180462584756QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks
> 
> 
> 
> or item#  180462584756 if the link doesn't work.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The ad states it has an 'original factory production patent plate' from
> Pressed Steel and a link to a pic.
> 
> http://www.fraserdante.com/4104%20-%2065%20Sunbeam%20Tiger%20-%20black/paten
> tplate.html
> 
> 
> 
> Has anybody ever  heard of such a thing? Or am I totally out of the loop
> here??
> 
> 
> 
> Jim
> 
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From jteepen at usatoday.com  Fri Jan 29 09:28:19 2010
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:28:19 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood?
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Steve Alcala also had/has the same scoop in fiberglass.

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To: srwick at hotmail.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood?

I ordered what I thought was a replica of the original Cobra FIA scoop from
 Tony Branda and it ended up being the same scoop as I have on my '07
Mustang  Shelby GT. It appeared out of place when I mocked it up on the
Tiger,
as it was just too big and covered too much hood space.The Cobra scoop is
smaller and more in scale with the Tiger's hood, I'd say. I sent it  back.

Alcala makes a very nice aluminum replica, but the price is very much in
line with his great workmanship...

I'm sure, with more research, there is a good source for a proper FIA Cobra
 scoop at a reasonable price, but I've tabled the idea for now...just can't
bear  the thought of cutting into my freshly painted hood!

From MWood24020 at aol.com  Fri Jan 29 09:38:15 2010
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:38:15 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood?
Message-ID: <9d52.3185355d.389468f7@aol.com>

Thanks, Jere, I didn't know that. I'm sure the fiberglass is also up to  
Steve's high standard.
 
Also, one of the scoops linked appears to be the larger 427 SC type, which  
is very similar to the '07-'08 Mustang Shelby GT's. The one I (personally) 
think  fits the Tiger is the smaller, FIA Cobra type, which was actually a 
part of the  Cobra's hood, originally, but works fine with pop rivets, also.
 
 
In a message dated 1/29/2010 8:30:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
jteepen at usatoday.com writes:

Steve  Alcala also had/has the same scoop in fiberglass.

-----Original  Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:01 PM
To:  srwick at hotmail.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on  Hood Scoop On Original Hood?

I ordered what I thought was a replica of  the original Cobra FIA scoop from
Tony Branda and it ended up being the  same scoop as I have on my '07
Mustang  Shelby GT. It appeared out of  place when I mocked it up on the
Tiger,
as it was just too big and  covered too much hood space.The Cobra scoop is
smaller and more in scale  with the Tiger's hood, I'd say. I sent it  back.

Alcala makes a  very nice aluminum replica, but the price is very much in
line with his  great workmanship...

I'm sure, with more research, there is a good  source for a proper FIA Cobra
scoop at a reasonable price, but I've tabled  the idea for now...just can't
bear  the thought of cutting into my  freshly painted  hood!
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Fri Jan 29 09:46:16 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:46:16 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood?
Message-ID: <9e10.6147504c.38946ad8@aol.com>

Has anyone come across a scoop that is wide enough to clear the stock air  
cleaner?  Most of the scoops mentioned here look too narrow.
Mark L

From cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 29 09:53:06 2010
From: cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net (Chris Richards)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:53:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Interior Pictures of Tiger Hard Top
In-Reply-To: <C787A70E.9C2%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <460145.71883.qm@web80502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Here ya go.......should give you a general idea.....:
 
http://www.cjrichards.org/1157hardtop.html

--- On Thu, 1/28/10, MAURO D'ANGELO <m_dangelo at verizon.net> wrote:




My Tiger's hard top, which is otherwise in good shape, has no headliner in
it.  I have a headliner to install, but would like to see what a properly
installed headliner should look like.  Does anyone have pictures of the
interior of a hard top to give me a good idea?  Thanks in advance!  Mauro

From MWood24020 at aol.com  Fri Jan 29 10:01:00 2010
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:01:00 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood?
Message-ID: <abae.367e49dc.38946e4c@aol.com>

There are plenty of scoops out there that would be wider, like the Fox  
Mustang "Pace Car" type, but they would cover most of the Tiger's hood! Not a  
good look, imho.
 
If I was still going to do a scoop, I'd run a small, round period correct  
Stelling & Hellings air filter and fabricate a "Turkey Pan" (see link below) 
 to make it a true CAI (cold air induction) and maximize the benefit of 
cutting a  hole in the hood, while still looking entirely period correct.
 
_http://www.cobranda.com/cotparamairb.html_ 
(http://www.cobranda.com/cotparamairb.html) 
 
 
In a message dated 1/29/2010 8:47:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
CoolVT at aol.com writes:

Has  anyone come across a scoop that is wide enough to clear the stock air  
 
cleaner?  Most of the scoops mentioned here look too narrow.
Mark  L
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Fri Jan 29 10:08:16 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:08:16 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood?
In-Reply-To: <abae.367e49dc.38946e4c@aol.com>
References: <abae.367e49dc.38946e4c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019057B6@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

TigersUnited.com has an article on a very nice turkey pan type
installation done by Tim Ronak.
http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/TRonakRamAir/TimRonakRamAir.pdf

This used the stock air cleaner assembly, in a Kent Wilcox hood. If you
want a tall filter then you'll have to do something like this with a
Hellings&Stellings filter assembly as Mike suggests.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MWood24020 at aol.com
> Sent: January 29, 2010 10:01 AM
> To: CoolVT at aol.com; jteepen at usatoday.com; srwick at hotmail.com;
> tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood?
>
> There are plenty of scoops out there that would be wider,
> like the Fox Mustang "Pace Car" type, but they would cover
> most of the Tiger's hood! Not a good look, imho.
>
> If I was still going to do a scoop, I'd run a small, round
> period correct Stelling & Hellings air filter and fabricate a
> "Turkey Pan" (see link below)  to make it a true CAI (cold
> air induction) and maximize the benefit of cutting a  hole in
> the hood, while still looking entirely period correct.
>
> _http://www.cobranda.com/cotparamairb.html_
> (http://www.cobranda.com/cotparamairb.html)

From MWood24020 at aol.com  Fri Jan 29 10:20:22 2010
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:20:22 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood?
Message-ID: <b6c5.6162ff6e.389472d6@aol.com>

Very, very nice.
 
 
In a message dated 1/29/2010 9:09:06 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
Theo.Smit at dynastream.com writes:

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/TRonakRamAir/TimRonakRamAir.pdf

From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Fri Jan 29 16:52:51 2010
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:52:51 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] frame off ??
Message-ID: <003e01caa13e$2b9bb730$0301a8c0@chesapeake4>

I often have to stop and think for a minute or less whenn I see an add for a
car that is unibody ie no frame is advertised as having a "frame off"
resto....I see it all the time when reading Hemmings....Does the advertiser
have a clue???  Just a thought,  Clyde

From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Fri Jan 29 17:48:40 2010
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:48:40 EST
Subject: [Tigers] frame off ??
Message-ID: <19172.5074033f.3894dbe8@aol.com>

And all the people selling 66MK1 Tigers and saying they are 67's, cause  
they were registered in 67. Don't they know what they have???
 
 
In a message dated 1/29/2010 3:53:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
clydemclaughlin at verizon.net writes:

I often  have to stop and think for a minute or less whenn I see an add for 
a
car  that is unibody ie no frame is advertised as having a "frame  off"
resto....I see it all the time when reading Hemmings....Does the  advertiser
have a clue???  Just a thought,   Clyde
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From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Fri Jan 29 18:04:05 2010
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:04:05 EST
Subject: [Tigers] frame off ??
Message-ID: <19750.19e9d2fd.3894df85@aol.com>

Mine is the same way 66 registered in 67. But when you see 67 Tiger for  
sale you expect it to be a 67.
 
 
In a message dated 1/29/2010 4:59:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
CoolVT at aol.com writes:

Well, under that theory when we buy a 2010 Ford in December of 2009, what  
do we have?  We know the car was built in 2009, but it's titled as a  2010.  
My MKl was registered as a 1967 Rootes. The registration got  transferred 
through the years that way. There was no way my DMV would change  it. So my 
registration says 1967 and my license plates say 66Tiger.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 1/29/2010 7:49:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
AAAGLASSS at aol.com writes:

And  all the people selling 66MK1 Tigers and saying they are 67's, cause   
they were registered in 67. Don't they know what they  have???

From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 29 18:58:11 2010
From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:58:11 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] frame off ??
In-Reply-To: <19750.19e9d2fd.3894df85@aol.com>
References: <19750.19e9d2fd.3894df85@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4EF157EC01B34D72A4558CFD005C7187@ROSS>

Mark,

It is personal preference but let's say in my case the car came off the
Jensen line in early November 1966.  Now the car is shipped to the USA and
came off the boat in late December 1966 or January 1967.  It gets its first
showing to the public in 1967 at Larry Reeds Sport Cars in LA.  I buy the
car in July 1967 and not knowing in the day it was made in 1966 I think it
is a 1967.  I have always called it a 1967. So, what is the big deal?  Just
because someone comes along with the manufacturing dates 40 years later I am
not changing what I call the car. It was new in 1967.

I tried to get a custom plate in California but any date I used with Tiger,
Cat, or any variation of spelling and date and combination thereof I was
refused. They stated that the names and dates were to similar to already
published plates.

So I went with the color code "ONEOSIX"

Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse
 

To: CoolVT at aol.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] frame off ??

Mine is the same way 66 registered in 67. But when you see 67 Tiger for  
sale you expect it to be a 67.
 
 
In a message dated 1/29/2010 4:59:26 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
CoolVT at aol.com writes:

Well, under that theory when we buy a 2010 Ford in December of 2009, what  
do we have?  We know the car was built in 2009, but it's titled as a  2010.

My MKl was registered as a 1967 Rootes. The registration got  transferred 
through the years that way. There was no way my DMV would change  it. So my 
registration says 1967 and my license plates say 66Tiger.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 1/29/2010 7:49:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
AAAGLASSS at aol.com writes:

And  all the people selling 66MK1 Tigers and saying they are 67's, cause   
they were registered in 67. Don't they know what they  have???

From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Fri Jan 29 19:17:41 2010
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:17:41 EST
Subject: [Tigers] frame off ??
Message-ID: <1b4c4.35b17c11.3894f0c5@aol.com>

I have a white car. I think I will sell it on e-bay. When I list it I will  
tell everybody it's RED.
 
 
In a message dated 1/29/2010 5:59:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net writes:

Mark,

It is personal preference but let's say in my case the  car came off the
Jensen line in early November 1966.  Now the car is  shipped to the USA and
came off the boat in late December 1966 or January  1967.  It gets its first
showing to the public in 1967 at Larry Reeds  Sport Cars in LA.  I buy the
car in July 1967 and not knowing in the  day it was made in 1966 I think it
is a 1967.  I have always called it  a 1967. So, what is the big deal?  Just
because someone comes along  with the manufacturing dates 40 years later I 
am
not changing what I call  the car. It was new in 1967.

I tried to get a custom plate in  California but any date I used with Tiger,
Cat, or any variation of  spelling and date and combination thereof I was
refused. They stated that  the names and dates were to similar to already
published plates.

So  I went with the color code "ONEOSIX"

Ross "Commodore Blues"  Hulse


To: CoolVT at aol.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject:  Re: [Tigers] frame off ??

Mine is the same way 66 registered in 67. But  when you see 67 Tiger for  
sale you expect it to be a  67.


In a message dated 1/29/2010 4:59:26 P.M. Pacific Standard  Time,  
CoolVT at aol.com writes:

Well, under that theory when we  buy a 2010 Ford in December of 2009, what  
do we have?  We know  the car was built in 2009, but it's titled as a  2010.

My MKl was  registered as a 1967 Rootes. The registration got  transferred  
through the years that way. There was no way my DMV would change  it.  So 
my 
registration says 1967 and my license plates say  66Tiger.
Mark


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And  all the  people selling 66MK1 Tigers and saying they are 67's, cause   
 
they were registered in 67. Don't they know what they   have???
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Fri Jan 29 20:16:10 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:16:10 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] frame off ??
References: <1b4c4.35b17c11.3894f0c5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <B32C3279645A49688CBF7825D1F5F115@student2>

  I recall we had a similar discussing a few years ago.  At that time there 
were some suggested terms that might be more applicable.  But, I can't 
recall them at the moment.

  I think to some people "Frame Off" means that everything attached to the 
FRAME (yea, I know, actually a "unibody" in the case of a Tiger) is OFF the 
car.  Given that most restored cars were older (and had separate frames) the 
phrase became common.  As unibody type cars became restorable the term 
carried over, - though essentially inaccurate.

Tom

From MWood24020 at aol.com  Fri Jan 29 20:44:43 2010
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:44:43 EST
Subject: [Tigers] frame off ??
Message-ID: <1d611.7d608797.3895052b@aol.com>

I think unibody cars are either "frame UP" (if you have to use "frame" in  
the description) or "bare metal" (my choice) to denote no holds  
barred...has to be body on frame for a "frame off" as far as I'm concerned  ;-)
 
 
In a message dated 1/29/2010 7:16:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
atwittsend at verizon.net writes:

I  recall we had a similar discussing a few years ago.  At that time there  
were some suggested terms that might be more applicable.  But, I  can't 
recall them at the moment.

I think to some people  "Frame Off" means that everything attached to the 
FRAME (yea, I know,  actually a "unibody" in the case of a Tiger) is OFF 
the 
car.  Given  that most restored cars were older (and had separate frames) 
the 
phrase  became common.  As unibody type cars became restorable the term  
carried over, - though essentially  inaccurate.

Tom
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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 29 21:43:13 2010
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:43:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] frame off ??
In-Reply-To: <1d611.7d608797.3895052b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <38529.12928.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I use the phrase 'ground up' restoration, i.e, everything 'from the ground up'
has been restored.

--- On Fri, 1/29/10, MWood24020 at aol.com <MWood24020 at aol.com> wrote:


From: MWood24020 at aol.com <MWood24020 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] frame off ??
To: atwittsend at verizon.net, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 7:44 PM


I think unibody cars are either "frame UP" (if you have to use "frame" in 
the description) or "bare metal" (my choice) to denote no holds 
barred...has to be body on frame for a "frame off" as far as I'm concerned 
;-)


In a message dated 1/29/2010 7:16:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
atwittsend at verizon.net writes:

I  recall we had a similar discussing a few years ago.  At that time there 
were some suggested terms that might be more applicable.  But, I  can't
recall them at the moment.

I think to some people  "Frame Off" means that everything attached to the
FRAME (yea, I know,  actually a "unibody" in the case of a Tiger) is OFF
the
car.  Given  that most restored cars were older (and had separate frames)
the
phrase  became common.  As unibody type cars became restorable the term 
carried over, - though essentially  inaccurate.

Tom
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From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Sat Jan 30 06:09:34 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:09:34 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better than
	Originals???
In-Reply-To: <38529.12928.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C78999BE.A24%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

Hi everyone!

I'm hoping buy a set of original LAT-70 wheels for my '66 Mark 1A
(B382001355LRXFE) (TAC #709).  Since I emailed my interest to listers, I've
had several tell me that repro wheels are better, and much safer, than the
original LAT wheels.  One explained to me that I should think hard about
spending money on originals and this is why a couple of sets of original
wheels sold for well under $1000 this past summer (no one wanted
them???)...something about the originals not meeting DOT specs because they
can crack and disintegrate at speed?  Can you imagine?  Is this just an "old
wives tale, or is there really truth to it?

What are your thoughts about this?  I don't really like the idea of having
new parts on a classic car, and I really prefer original equipment to repro,
but I guess safety is king.  I can't imagine "investing" such money on
essentially unusable collector items that will end up just taking up space
on a shelf.  

Thanks for your opinions!

Mauro  

From WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com  Sat Jan 30 08:05:14 2010
From: WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com (WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:05:14 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood?
Message-ID: <38e6.50e1c4de.3895a4aa@aol.com>

Does anyone know if Steve still has the scoops available and what he wants  
for them?
 
Fred Baum
 
 
In a message dated 1/29/2010 11:30:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jteepen at usatoday.com writes:

Steve  Alcala also had/has the same scoop in  fiberglass.

From dave at munroe.ca  Sat Jan 30 09:01:18 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:01:18 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood?
In-Reply-To: <38e6.50e1c4de.3895a4aa@aol.com>
References: <38e6.50e1c4de.3895a4aa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <39C935A1975946C79BFEE58812BC60FE@DavePC>

I bought mine from Steve on eBay Buy-it-now for $185.00 in 2003.

Dave
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Does anyone know if Steve still has the scoops available and what he wants
 for them?

 Fred Baum

From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk  Sat Jan 30 09:20:10 2010
From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:20:10 +0000
Subject: [Tigers]  Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? or LAT ?
In-Reply-To: <39C935A1975946C79BFEE58812BC60FE@DavePC>
References: <38e6.50e1c4de.3895a4aa@aol.com>
	<39C935A1975946C79BFEE58812BC60FE@DavePC>
Message-ID: <o+H3enJ6wFZLFwIO@v8tiger.demon.co.uk>

For those in CA an alternative is the dual skin Fiberglass LAT bonnets 
that Brad Kaplan has.

He has some more arriving in about 10 day from me in the UK.

If interested contact Brad at

bradkaplan2723 at yahoo.com


regards


Jeff


In message <39C935A1975946C79BFEE58812BC60FE at DavePC>, Dave Munroe 
<dave at munroe.ca> writes
>I bought mine from Steve on eBay Buy-it-now for $185.00 in 2003.
>
>Dave
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>----------------------------
>
>
>Does anyone know if Steve still has the scoops available and what he wants
>for them?
>
>Fred Baum
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Jan 30 10:59:23 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:59:23 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at auction today
Message-ID: <865b.246eceb2.3895cd7b@aol.com>

A Tiger is coming up today at the Mecum auction in Kissimmee, FL.  You  
might be able to catch it on the Mecum web cam.  Very easy to sign up. Go  to 
_http://mecum.com/_ (http://mecum.com/)         Click on Kissimmee auction, 
then "web cam' and follow instructions.
The Tiger is lot # S294 and is scheduled for tonight (Saturday) at 9:20  
EST.   Right now, at 12:55 EST, they are running about 1/2 hour behind  
schedule. Someone must have high expectations because it is scheduled for prime  
time (Saturday night) and is scheduled between a Shelby GT350 and a 1970  
Plymouth Superbird.
 
I am just headed to the auction and will try to get a good look at the car  
before it goes on the block.
 
Mark L

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Sat Jan 30 12:21:06 2010
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:21:06 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] 66 or 67?
Message-ID: <4B6486A2.80406@roadrunner.com>

I am in the same category as a couple of others here who have reported 
Tigers that were manufactured in 1966 but titled as a 1967.  In my case, 
I bought my Tiger new in October of 1966 (it came off the Jensen line in 
August) but the powers that be at the New York DMV decided it was to be 
titled as a 1967 and it has always said so on my registration.  When I 
and my Tiger moved to Maine, I presented the NY registration at the 
Maine DMV and they registered it as a 1967.  I guess I could have 
objected, but, then again, you probably have never waited in line at the 
Maine DMV.  Net result, I have a 1967 MkIA Sunbeam Tiger which carries 
the license plate 67Tiger to tick the purists off even more.  We could 
have the same argument about a couple of Tiger II's that I have seen or 
heard of over the years that were title as 1968's and everybody knows 
there were none built that year.  To me, the year is not the important 
thing, it is whether it is a MkIA or a MkII.  What you call things 
doesn't matter too much, it seems to me.  It is the essence of the 
object that matters.  Of course, having come by my surname by way of 
what genealogists call a "non-paternal event" some 200 years ago, I am 
probably prejudiced.

Cheers,

Tod Brown (conceived 1940, born in 1941)
B382002384LRXFE

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 30 12:58:03 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:58:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] 66 or 67?
In-Reply-To: <4B6486A2.80406@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <80307.55833.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The only thing that I think important to anyone who has owned a Tiger long
enough to know lots about the car, is the VIN number and if its TACed or will
pass TAC. Others might have questions and need to understand that back then
the car was titled when it was sold not when it was manufactured. WE know a
Mk1 from a  1A and between the BON and other documentation, we have dates when
changes where made- like from this VIN forward the steering collum had a brace
installed. It might make a difference to an insurance company who might argue
either way that a 66 is worth more or less than a 67 even tho the car n the
next town over has a VIN one number higher or lower than the car the insurance
is saying has less or more value but to all owners who have a history of
ownership or knowledge learned thru clubs, books,and other owners, who cares
what year the title shows it is- the VIN tells us all what the car really is,
providing the car bears the original Vin,
 with or without original rivets. My opinion and a $2 bill will get ya a cup
of coffee at most fast food or convieance stores. Creamer included.
TtT (manufactured 1952 and titled in 1953)

--- On Sat, 1/30/10, Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com> wrote:


From: Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com>
Subject: [Tigers] 66 or 67?
To: tigers at autox.team.net, AAAGLASSS at aol.com
Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 1:21 PM


I am in the same category as a couple of others here who have reported Tigers
that were manufactured in 1966 but titled as a 1967.  In my case, I bought my
Tiger new in October of 1966 (it came off the Jensen line in August) but the
powers that be at the New York DMV decided it was to be titled as a 1967 and
it has always said so on my registration.  When I and my Tiger moved to Maine,
I presented the NY registration at the Maine DMV and they registered it as a
1967.  I guess I could have objected, but, then again, you probably have never
waited in line at the Maine DMV.  Net result, I have a 1967 MkIA Sunbeam Tiger
which carries the license plate 67Tiger to tick the purists off even more.  We
could have the same argument about a couple of Tiger II's that I have seen or
heard of over the years that were title as 1968's and everybody knows there
were none built that year.  To me, the year is not the important thing, it is
whether it is a MkIA or a
 MkII.  What you call things doesn't matter too much, it seems to me.  It is
the essence of the object that matters.  Of course, having come by my surname
by way of what genealogists call a "non-paternal event" some 200 years ago, I
am probably prejudiced.

Cheers,

Tod Brown (conceived 1940, born in 1941)
B382002384LRXFE
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Jan 30 13:29:56 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:29:56 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better
 thanOriginals???
In-Reply-To: <C78999BE.A24%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <DFDC94A489894036ABD536A4747305A3@ronpc1>

	I don't have any LAT-70 wheels so I can't speak of their quality but
I remember seeing MAG wheels in the 60's and 70's that had porosity
problems.   I remember one person who bought a set of MAGS and the first
thing he had to do was paint the tire side of the wheel so it would hold air
longer.  I think the my first words about that was "your kidding me", he was
not.   This was a material and process problem.

	I believe some of the problem is associated with the design of the
wheel's rim for use with today's tubeless radial tires.

Personally I would buy new LAT-70 from Sunbeam Specialties that meet current
safety regulations; if I were in the market.  Safety first and always.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 8:10 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better
thanOriginals???


Hi everyone!

I'm hoping buy a set of original LAT-70 wheels for my '66 Mark 1A
(B382001355LRXFE) (TAC #709).  Since I emailed my interest to listers, I've
had several tell me that repro wheels are better, and much safer, than the
original LAT wheels.  One explained to me that I should think hard about
spending money on originals and this is why a couple of sets of original
wheels sold for well under $1000 this past summer (no one wanted
them???)...something about the originals not meeting DOT specs because they
can crack and disintegrate at speed?  Can you imagine?  Is this just an "old
wives tale, or is there really truth to it?

What are your thoughts about this?  I don't really like the idea of having
new parts on a classic car, and I really prefer original equipment to repro,
but I guess safety is king.  I can't imagine "investing" such money on
essentially unusable collector items that will end up just taking up space
on a shelf.

Thanks for your opinions!

Mauro
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From stubrennan at comcast.net  Sat Jan 30 13:47:19 2010
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:47:19 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] 66 or 67?
In-Reply-To: <4B6486A2.80406@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <000001caa1ed$6d303f40$6801a8c0@Brennan>

As I recall, Tod and I have serial numbers that are pretty close
together,  so they were probably built, shipped, or whatever within a
couple weeks of each other.  Mine didn't get into a customer's hands
until Feb '67, and the title says '67.

But, in America, they've always built the next year's cars starting in
the summer or early fall.  Even back in the day the next year's cars
were at the dealers well before New Years, Christmas, or Thanksgiving,
IIRC.  So is it wrong to identify a car built in the late fall of '09 as
a 2010 model?  Clearly not.  So unless there was a spec change  that
differentiated between a year's models, it probably doesn't make a
difference.

Stu  

From bamcnulty at optonline.net  Sat Jan 30 13:48:34 2010
From: bamcnulty at optonline.net (Tony McNulty)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:48:34 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better
 thanOriginals???
References: <DFDC94A489894036ABD536A4747305A3@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <84DD63F3F87E42399FCCD4F6AC2577B8@your4dacd0ea75>

Early mags definitely were leakers!  I put a set of BWAs on my Tiger back in 
1972 and one of them won't hold its air for even a month -- less than that 
in this cold CT weather!  I think I'm leaning toward a modern 15" wheel this 
time around.

Tony McNulty


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
To: "'MAURO D'ANGELO'" <m_dangelo at verizon.net>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better 
thanOriginals???


> I don't have any LAT-70 wheels so I can't speak of their quality but
> I remember seeing MAG wheels in the 60's and 70's that had porosity
> problems.   I remember one person who bought a set of MAGS and the first
> thing he had to do was paint the tire side of the wheel so it would hold 
> air
> longer.  I think the my first words about that was "your kidding me", he 
> was
> not.   This was a material and process problem.
>
> I believe some of the problem is associated with the design of the
> wheel's rim for use with today's tubeless radial tires.
>
> Personally I would buy new LAT-70 from Sunbeam Specialties that meet 
> current
> safety regulations; if I were in the market.  Safety first and always.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO
> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 8:10 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better
> thanOriginals???
>
>
> Hi everyone!
>
> I'm hoping buy a set of original LAT-70 wheels for my '66 Mark 1A
> (B382001355LRXFE) (TAC #709).  Since I emailed my interest to listers, 
> I've
> had several tell me that repro wheels are better, and much safer, than the
> original LAT wheels.  One explained to me that I should think hard about
> spending money on originals and this is why a couple of sets of original
> wheels sold for well under $1000 this past summer (no one wanted
> them???)...something about the originals not meeting DOT specs because 
> they
> can crack and disintegrate at speed?  Can you imagine?  Is this just an 
> "old
> wives tale, or is there really truth to it?
>
> What are your thoughts about this?  I don't really like the idea of having
> new parts on a classic car, and I really prefer original equipment to 
> repro,
> but I guess safety is king.  I can't imagine "investing" such money on
> essentially unusable collector items that will end up just taking up space
> on a shelf.
>
> Thanks for your opinions!
>
> Mauro
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From jhef101 at aol.com  Sat Jan 30 13:59:41 2010
From: jhef101 at aol.com (jhef101 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 15:59:41 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] frame off ??
In-Reply-To: <19172.5074033f.3894dbe8@aol.com>
References: <19172.5074033f.3894dbe8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC700646ACA373-9E50-F64@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com>

I dunno, I have a '65 according to Norm and the Book but it says '64 on the
title. What do I have? The title kinda defines the year doesn't it?


Jeff Hefner
B9470028






-----Original Message-----
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, Jan 29, 2010 7:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] frame off ??


And all the people selling 66MK1 Tigers and saying they are 67's, cause
hey were registered in 67. Don't they know what they have???


n a message dated 1/29/2010 3:53:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
lydemclaughlin at verizon.net writes:
I often  have to stop and think for a minute or less whenn I see an add for

ar  that is unibody ie no frame is advertised as having a "frame  off"
esto....I see it all the time when reading Hemmings....Does the  advertiser
ave a clue???  Just a thought,   Clyde
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From j_d_johnson at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 30 14:03:48 2010
From: j_d_johnson at earthlink.net (J D Johnson)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:03:48 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better
 thanOriginals???
In-Reply-To: <DFDC94A489894036ABD536A4747305A3@ronpc1>
References: <C78999BE.A24%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
	<DFDC94A489894036ABD536A4747305A3@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <E1NbKUB-0004Ts-Rf@elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Can anyone explain the design/visual difference between an original 
and the Sunbeam Specialties wheel?

JD

At 12:29 PM 1/30/2010, Ron Fraser wrote:
>         I don't have any LAT-70 wheels so I can't speak of their quality but
>I remember seeing MAG wheels in the 60's and 70's that had porosity
>problems.   I remember one person who bought a set of MAGS and the first
>thing he had to do was paint the tire side of the wheel so it would hold air
>longer.  I think the my first words about that was "your kidding me", he was
>not.   This was a material and process problem.
>
>         I believe some of the problem is associated with the design of the
>wheel's rim for use with today's tubeless radial tires.
>
>Personally I would buy new LAT-70 from Sunbeam Specialties that meet current
>safety regulations; if I were in the market.  Safety first and always.

From jhef101 at aol.com  Sat Jan 30 14:04:56 2010
From: jhef101 at aol.com (jhef101 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:04:56 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] 66 or 67?
In-Reply-To: <4B6486A2.80406@roadrunner.com>
References: <4B6486A2.80406@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <8CC700702B26E50-9E50-1033@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com>

This probably fits better under this threadline, so it is a dual post.


I dunno, I have a '65 according to Norm and the Book but it says '64 on the
title. What do I have? The title kinda defines the year doesn't it?


Jeff Hefner
B9470028







-----Original Message-----
From: Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com>
To: tigers at autox.team.net; AAAGLASSS at aol.com
Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:21 pm
Subject: [Tigers] 66 or 67?


I am in the same category as a couple of others here who have reported Tigers
that were manufactured in 1966 but titled as a 1967. In my case, I bought my
Tiger new in October of 1966 (it came off the Jensen line in August) but the
powers that be at the New York DMV decided it was to be titled as a 1967 and
it has always said so on my registration. When I and my Tiger moved to Maine,
I presented the NY registration at the Maine DMV and they registered it as a
1967. I guess I could have objected, but, then again, you probably have never
waited in line at the Maine DMV. Net result, I have a 1967 MkIA Sunbeam Tiger
which carries the license plate 67Tiger to tick the purists off even more. We
could have the same argument about a couple of Tiger II's that I have seen or
heard of over the years that were title as 1968's and everybody knows there
were none built that year. To me, the year is not the important thing, it is
whether it is a MkIA or a MkII. What you call things doesn't matter too much,
it seems to me. It is the essence of the object that matters. Of course,
having come by my surname by way of what genealogists call a "non-paternal
event" some 200 years ago, I am probably prejudiced.

Cheers,

Tod Brown (conceived 1940, born in 1941)
B382002384LRXFE
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From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Sat Jan 30 14:59:07 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:59:07 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Six Blade Cooling Fan
In-Reply-To: <8CC700646ACA373-9E50-F64@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <C78A15DB.A47%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

I've been trying to figure out which fan to buy to improve the cooling of my
engine.  I know there was a fan with part number C9DZ-8600-A that supposedly
fit, but I have not found a single one for sale. Are there other fans out
there that would fit the stock Tiger setup? I once heard something about a
Volvo fan, but  don't know.  What are the specifications I should be looking
for?  Any advice would be highly appreciated!  Mauro

From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Sat Jan 30 15:02:34 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:02:34 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine pulleys
In-Reply-To: <8CC700702B26E50-9E50-1033@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <C78A16AA.A49%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

I am wondering if anyone can tell me which engine pulleys fit the stock
tiger setup.  I understand that not just any pulleys will work.  I am
rebuilding my Mark 2 289 engine, which has no pulleys, and I do not want to
take them from my original 260 engine.  Part numbers, provenance and
placement would be great!  Thanks.  Mauro

From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com  Sat Jan 30 15:06:57 2010
From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:06:57 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at auction today
Message-ID: <ddc3.fd3b206.38960781@aol.com>

With a 360 HP roller, 3-speed automatic and nitrous,  yet!

From RSSmithIQ at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 16:15:50 2010
From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:15:50 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Six Blade Cooling Fan
In-Reply-To: <C78A15DB.A47%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
References: <C78A15DB.A47%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4B64BDA6.6030209@cs.com>

Mauro-

I have used the 15" Derale flex-fan available from Summit Racing with a 
part number DER-17015!  This fan is an easy fit and is extremely 
efficient at both low and high speeds.  The only issue could be 
clearance with the steering rack.  I had to put one flatwasher under 
each of my motor mounts (the mounts were new at the time) to get 
clearance.  Tiger Tom warns against cutting the diameter of the fan down 
as most of the efficiency is at the outer diameter.  Shimming the motor 
mounts is really quite easy, but don't overdue it or the air cleaner 
will hit the hood.  I also used one of the Ford Fairmont water pump 
pulleys to increase the speed of the pump and fan.  Somebody is selling 
a nice machined version of that pulley in the TE/AE newsletter.  While 
you are working on all that stuff, you might want to do something with 
your radiator if you haven't already.  I had my original radiator 
recored with a modern core.  Also make certain to block your horn 
holes.  With that combination of upgrades, I can idle or run at highway 
speeds all day long in the humid 100 degree Mid-Atlantic summer heat 
with the engine running right at the thermostat setting.  Check out the 
tech tips on the TE/AE website 
<http://teae.org/category/tech-tips/temperature/> for more details.

-Randy

MAURO D'ANGELO wrote:
> I've been trying to figure out which fan to buy to improve the cooling of my
> engine.  I know there was a fan with part number C9DZ-8600-A that supposedly
> fit, but I have not found a single one for sale. Are there other fans out
> there that would fit the stock Tiger setup? I once heard something about a
> Volvo fan, but  don't know.  What are the specifications I should be looking
> for?  Any advice would be highly appreciated!  Mauro
> _______________________________________________
>   

Randy Smith
INNER QUEST, Inc.
34752 Charles Town Pike
Purcellville, VA  20132
703-478-1078
540-668-6699
540-668-6253 fax

InnerQuestOnline.com <http://www.innerquestonline.com/>
RSSmithIQ at cs.com
Tiger- B382000189

From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Sat Jan 30 16:22:53 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:22:53 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Six Blade Cooling Fan
In-Reply-To: <4B64BDA6.6030209@cs.com>
Message-ID: <C78A297D.A55%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

Great!  Thanks.  At $27, it is definitely worth a try!  How did you block
the horn passages?  Mauro


On 1/30/10 6:15 PM, "Randy Smith" <RSSmithIQ at cs.com> wrote:

> Mauro-
> 
> I have used the 15" Derale flex-fan available from Summit Racing with a part
> number DER-17015!  This fan is an easy fit and is extremely efficient at both
> low and high speeds.  The only issue could be clearance with the steering
> rack.  I had to put one flatwasher under each of my motor mounts (the mounts
> were new at the time) to get clearance.  Tiger Tom warns against cutting the
> diameter of the fan down as most of the efficiency is at the outer diameter.
> Shimming the motor mounts is really quite easy, but don't overdue it or the
> air cleaner will hit the hood.  I also used one of the Ford Fairmont water
> pump pulleys to increase the speed of the pump and fan.  Somebody is selling a
> nice machined version of that pulley in the TE/AE newsletter.  While you are
> working on all that stuff, you might want to do something with your radiator
> if you haven't already.  I had my original radiator recored with a modern
> core.  Also make certain to block your horn holes.  With that combination of
> upgrades, I can idle or run at highway speeds all day long in the humid 100
> degree Mid-Atlantic summer heat with the engine running right at the
> thermostat setting.  Check out the tech tips on the TE/AE website
> <http://teae.org/category/tech-tips/temperature/> for more details.
> 
> -Randy
> 
> MAURO D'ANGELO wrote:
>>  
>> I've been trying to figure out which fan to buy to improve the cooling of my
>> engine.  I know there was a fan with part number C9DZ-8600-A that supposedly
>> fit, but I have not found a single one for sale. Are there other fans out
>> there that would fit the stock Tiger setup? I once heard something about a
>> Volvo fan, but  don't know.  What are the specifications I should be looking
>> for?  Any advice would be highly appreciated!  Mauro
>> _______________________________________________
>>   
> Randy Smith 
> Randy Smith
> INNER QUEST, Inc.
> 34752 Charles Town Pike
> Purcellville, VA  20132
> 703-478-1078
> 540-668-6699
> 540-668-6253 fax
> 
> InnerQuestOnline.com <http://www.innerquestonline.com/>
> RSSmithIQ at cs.com
> Tiger- B382000189

From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 30 17:16:57 2010
From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:16:57 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better
 thanOriginals???
References: <C78999BE.A24%m_dangelo@verizon.net><DFDC94A489894036ABD536A4747305A3@ronpc1>
	<E1NbKUB-0004Ts-Rf@elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <19077782C0F94CF98E665DD03B8CDEBC@BLUEOVAL>

The photos below show four of the original LAT 70 wheels.  The two on the 
right have been polished, the two on the left have not been finished.  These 
wheels were used for many years by the former owner of my Mark I (I 
purchased the car in 1979... these wheels removed in 1980 and never used 
since).   Two of the photos show the markings on the underside of the wheel 
(plus "PATENT PENDING" is also there).  These wheels are for sale if anyone 
is interested in the original ones for a car being restored with original 
parts.  I believe the Sunbeam Specialties wheels are the same "design" but 
larger diameter, etc for bigger than original tires, etc.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-1/1331597/LAT70WHEELS.JPG

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-1/1331597/IMG_0032(2).JPG

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-1/1331597/IMG_0031(2).JPG

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-1/1331597/IMG_0029(2).JPG

Regards,

Bill Waite
Grand Rapids, MI

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J D Johnson" <j_d_johnson at earthlink.net>
To: <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; "'MAURO D'ANGELO'" <m_dangelo at verizon.net>; 
<tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better 
thanOriginals???


> Can anyone explain the design/visual difference between an original and 
> the Sunbeam Specialties wheel?
>
> JD
>
> At 12:29 PM 1/30/2010, Ron Fraser wrote:
>>         I don't have any LAT-70 wheels so I can't speak of their quality 
>> but
>>I remember seeing MAG wheels in the 60's and 70's that had porosity
>>problems.   I remember one person who bought a set of MAGS and the first
>>thing he had to do was paint the tire side of the wheel so it would hold 
>>air
>>longer.  I think the my first words about that was "your kidding me", he 
>>was
>>not.   This was a material and process problem.
>>
>>         I believe some of the problem is associated with the design of 
>> the
>>wheel's rim for use with today's tubeless radial tires.
>>
>>Personally I would buy new LAT-70 from Sunbeam Specialties that meet 
>>current
>>safety regulations; if I were in the market.  Safety first and always.
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Sat Jan 30 17:43:34 2010
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 00:43:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better
 thanOriginals???
In-Reply-To: <19077782C0F94CF98E665DD03B8CDEBC@BLUEOVAL>
Message-ID: <1478091050.1048561264898614207.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

The SS wheels are made from the ORIGINAL tooling, so they look the same.
They are made with a much better casting process and/or material so they
are not as porous so they hold air and they hold their shine.  In Bill's photos,
the ones on the right are not as shiny as SS wheels at their worst.  If you take
a few minutes with wheel polish they can look like mirrors.
Also, the machining of the inside (not visible when tires are mounted) is to
1990's DOT specs (not sure but IIRC there is slight raised bead that retains
a flat tire better) so they are safer from a tire retention viewpoint as well as 
the better casting/material.  I guess you know what kind of wheels I have on
my car!
Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Waite 
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com, tigers at autox.team.net, J D Johnson 
Sent: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 00:16:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better thanOriginals???

The photos below show four of the original LAT 70 wheels.  The two on the 
right have been polished, the two on the left have not been finished.  These 
wheels were used for many years by the former owner of my Mark I (I 
purchased the car in 1979... these wheels removed in 1980 and never used 
since).   Two of the photos show the markings on the underside of the wheel 
(plus "PATENT PENDING" is also there).  These wheels are for sale if anyone 
is interested in the original ones for a car being restored with original 
parts.  I believe the Sunbeam Specialties wheels are the same "design" but 
larger diameter, etc for bigger than original tires, etc.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-1/1331597/LAT70WHEELS.JPG

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-1/1331597/IMG_0032(2).JPG

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-1/1331597/IMG_0031(2).JPG

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-1/1331597/IMG_0029(2).JPG

Regards,

Bill Waite
Grand Rapids, MI

From phastphill at aol.com  Sat Jan 30 17:50:22 2010
From: phastphill at aol.com (phastphill at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:50:22 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Six Blade Cooling Fan
In-Reply-To: <4B64BDA6.6030209@cs.com>
References: <C78A15DB.A47%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
  <4B64BDA6.6030209@cs.com>
Message-ID: <8CC7026802B9E11-3AEC-15AE1@webmail-d014.sysops.aol.com>

I use this same fan, no spacers needed on my mkII, Rebuilt rad, modern core,
Edelbrock hi vol water pump, blocked.. with flat black plastic..horn holes.
F4B , 4barrel, cam, headers. runs fine will only get hot in really slow
traffic, and will come right back down and not puke out





---- Original Message ----
From: Randy Smith <RSSmithIQ at cs.com>
To: MAURO D'ANGELO <m_dangelo at verizon.net>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 6:15 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Six Blade Cooling Fan


Mauro-
I have used the 15" Derale flex-fan available from Summit Racing with a
art number DER-17015!  This fan is an easy fit and is extremely
fficient at both low and high speeds.  The only issue could be
learance with the steering rack.  I had to put one flatwasher under
ach of my motor mounts (the mounts were new at the time) to get
learance.  Tiger Tom warns against cutting the diameter of the fan down
s most of the efficiency is at the outer diameter.  Shimming the motor
ounts is really quite easy, but don't overdue it or the air cleaner
ill hit the hood.  I also used one of the Ford Fairmont water pump
ulleys to increase the speed of the pump and fan.  Somebody is selling
 nice machined version of that pulley in the TE/AE newsletter.  While
ou are working on all that stuff, you might want to do something with
our radiator if you haven't already.  I had my original radiator
ecored with a modern core.  Also make certain to block your horn
oles.  With that combination of upgrades, I can idle or run at highway
peeds all day long in the humid 100 degree Mid-Atlantic summer heat
ith the engine running right at the thermostat setting.  Check out the
ech tips on the TE/AE website
http://teae.org/category/tech-tips/temperature/> for more details.
-Randy
MAURO D'ANGELO wrote:
 I've been trying to figure out which fan to buy to improve the cooling of my
 engine.  I know there was a fan with part number C9DZ-8600-A that supposedly
 fit, but I have not found a single one for sale. Are there other fans out
 there that would fit the stock Tiger setup? I once heard something about a
 Volvo fan, but  don't know.  What are the specifications I should be looking
 for?  Any advice would be highly appreciated!  Mauro
 _______________________________________________

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From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Sat Jan 30 17:51:56 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:51:56 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better than
 Originals???
In-Reply-To: <1478091050.1048561264898614207.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C78A3E5C.A63%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

Good to know.  With original tooling, modern metallurgical expertise, and
DOT safety certification and design, one has to seriously wonder if the new
wheels make more sense.  In the eyes of show judges, is there a way to tell
the original wheels from the reproduction wheels?


On 1/30/10 7:43 PM, "garywinblad at comcast.net" <garywinblad at comcast.net>
wrote:

> The SS wheels are made from the ORIGINAL tooling, so they look the same.
> They are made with a much better casting process and/or material so they
> are not as porous so they hold air and they hold their shine.  In Bill's
> photos,
> the ones on the right are not as shiny as SS wheels at their worst.  If you
> take
> a few minutes with wheel polish they can look like mirrors.
> Also, the machining of the inside (not visible when tires are mounted) is to
> 1990's DOT specs (not sure but IIRC there is slight raised bead that retains
> a flat tire better) so they are safer from a tire retention viewpoint as well
> as 
> the better casting/material.  I guess you know what kind of wheels I have on
> my car!
> Gary
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Waite 
> To: rfraser at bluefrog.com, tigers at autox.team.net, J D Johnson
> Sent: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 00:16:57 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better
> thanOriginals???
> 
> The photos below show four of the original LAT 70 wheels.  The two on the
> right have been polished, the two on the left have not been finished.  These
> wheels were used for many years by the former owner of my Mark I (I
> purchased the car in 1979... these wheels removed in 1980 and never used
> since).   Two of the photos show the markings on the underside of the wheel
> (plus "PATENT PENDING" is also there).  These wheels are for sale if anyone
> is interested in the original ones for a car being restored with original
> parts.  I believe the Sunbeam Specialties wheels are the same "design" but
> larger diameter, etc for bigger than original tires, etc.
> 
> http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-1/1331597/LAT70WHEELS.JPG
> 
> http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-1/1331597/IMG_0032(2).JPG
> 
> http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-1/1331597/IMG_0031(2).JPG
> 
> http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2009-1/1331597/IMG_0029(2).JPG
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Bill Waite
> Grand Rapids, MI
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From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 30 17:55:07 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:55:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better than
 Originals???
In-Reply-To: <C78999BE.A24%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <38389.98500.qm@web111604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I Think the broken LAT-70's are a lot of scare tactics  I do believe
it may be an issue for racing, but not for street use.  The big issue
is the original LAT-70 did not have the Fed required safety bead.
My LAT-9's have the same problem.  Mounting a tire and getting it
to seal can be a problem.  But that's why God made inner tubes.
 
I don't remember anybody racing LAT 70's or LAT-9's.  When I
raced I used JAP Magnas  other used Mini Lites with tubes
I believe Spencer used Halibrands.
 
Why use a 13 inch wheel now.  Tires are difficult to obtain.
Listers have said what they are using.
 
 
Dave - Go Colts !!!!
 
 
 


--- On Sat, 1/30/10, MAURO D'ANGELO <m_dangelo at verizon.net> wrote:


From: MAURO D'ANGELO <m_dangelo at verizon.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better than
Originals???
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 1:09 PM


Hi everyone!

I'm hoping buy a set of original LAT-70 wheels for my '66 Mark 1A
(B382001355LRXFE) (TAC #709).  Since I emailed my interest to listers, I've
had several tell me that repro wheels are better, and much safer, than the
original LAT wheels.  One explained to me that I should think hard about
spending money on originals and this is why a couple of sets of original
wheels sold for well under $1000 this past summer (no one wanted
them???)...something about the originals not meeting DOT specs because they
can crack and disintegrate at speed?  Can you imagine?  Is this just an "old
wives tale, or is there really truth to it?

What are your thoughts about this?  I don't really like the idea of having
new parts on a classic car, and I really prefer original equipment to repro,
but I guess safety is king.  I can't imagine "investing" such money on
essentially unusable collector items that will end up just taking up space
on a shelf. 

Thanks for your opinions!

Mauro 
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From bob_diehl at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 30 18:59:52 2010
From: bob_diehl at earthlink.net (Bob Diehl)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:59:52 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better than
 Originals???
In-Reply-To: <38389.98500.qm@web111604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <C78999BE.A24%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
	<38389.98500.qm@web111604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E1NbP6U-0004Cl-KF@elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Looks like racing on original LATs to me.
http://sjnm6a.bay.livefilestore.com/y1puuy65XMaBrUPS7rqur5sgIbRSty4oAunslhKuFihA636fXQY9BHR1q8ql00ieHJoQkuuZgZJcOVutLAF2XJt9Il4F36m2Wwa/vancouver-autoshow-mk1A-racer-480.jpg

bob_diehl

At 04:55 PM 1/30/2010, David T Johnson wrote:
>I Think the broken LAT-70's are a lot of scare tactics  I do believe
>it may be an issue for racing, but not for street use.  The big issue
>is the original LAT-70 did not have the Fed required safety bead.
>My LAT-9's have the same problem.  Mounting a tire and getting it
>to seal can be a problem.  But that's why God made inner tubes.
>
>I don't remember anybody racing LAT 70's or LAT-9's.  When I
>raced I used JAP Magnas  other used Mini Lites with tubes
>I believe Spencer used Halibrands.
>
>Why use a 13 inch wheel now.  Tires are difficult to obtain.
>Listers have said what they are using.

From cburruss at hiwaay.net  Sat Jan 30 19:01:34 2010
From: cburruss at hiwaay.net (Jim & Carolyn Burruss)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:01:34 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better
Message-ID: <13949DBF03014D65B2C04F1C7A56CBA9@retired>

The newer LAT-70 repro wheels may well be better than the original ones; I
really don't know,  But here's my experience, for what it's worth.

My LAT-70 wheels did not come with my car.  I purchased them used from an
Alpine racer.  They still have some tire mounting machine marks, so they are
not show quality.  When I got them home, I mounted them on a front spindle one
at a time and measured them for runout and wobble with a dial indicator.  They
were well within the rather liberal specs in the shop manual, which surprised
me because the tire mounting surfaces are not machined like other alloy
wheels.  I have heard of porous alloy wheels, but I have never detected any
coating on the insides of these wheels.  Also interesting, the wheels seem to
have been hard anodized.  The polished front surfaces can be cleaned with fine
steel wool; I've never seen any other aluminum wheels that would tolerate even
a light rub with steel wool.

Finally, I have run these wheels for well over 40 years, including some
autocrossing years ago, They've never given me any trouble.

Jim Burruss
Harvest, Alabama

From tsmit at shaw.ca  Sat Jan 30 19:43:04 2010
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:43:04 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better than
 Originals???
In-Reply-To: <38389.98500.qm@web111604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <38389.98500.qm@web111604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B64EE38.3030904@shaw.ca>

Some tire shops may refuse to mount tires on wheels that don't have a 
safety bead.
The main thing about the reproduction LAT wheels is that they are 
available (you can get a matching replacement should something bad 
happen), they are made better than the original, you can get matching 
spinners, and they probably won't cost you any more than finding a set 
of "original" LAT wheels.

The visual difference between original and reproduction LAT wheels 
mostly has to do with the diameter of the center hub extension and the 
matching spinner. From 5 feet away even the experts will have a tough 
time, and it is not an issue from a valuation or overall authenticity 
standpoint.

I would sell you mine (not original) but firstly you wouldn't want to 
pay the shipping from up here, and secondly I happen to have one of the 
short production run where the mag-nut holes were machined oversize at 
the time they were manufactured, and I haven't gotten around to making 
some sleeve inserts to correct that problem. I don't know how many sets 
of those are around but you don't want them, unless they've been fixed 
properly.

Cheers,
Theo

From 2mbb at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 30 21:16:14 2010
From: 2mbb at sbcglobal.net (Mark Burnett)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:16:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Six Blade Cooling Fan
In-Reply-To: <mailman.10096.1264899138.4175.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <787062.64063.qm@web82405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I purchased a six blade (non-flex) Derale fan from National Parts Depot for
$35 (Derale p/n 17315).  It is a 15" diameter fan and looks like the period
fans.  I'm pretty sure it cleared my steering rack, but the blade pitch was
such that it would not clear my aluminum radiator.  So I had to take it off. 
If you are interested in this installed-but-never-used fan let me know.  mbb.

I've been trying to figure out which fan to buy to improve the cooling of my
engine.  I know there was a fan with part number C9DZ-8600-A that supposedly
fit, but I have not found a single one for sale. Are there other fans out
there that would fit the stock Tiger setup? I once heard something about a
Volvo fan, but  don't know.  What are the specifications I should be looking
for?  Any advice would be highly appreciated!  Mauro

From amberlychamberlain at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 30 22:23:03 2010
From: amberlychamberlain at sbcglobal.net (Amberly Chamberlain)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:23:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? or LAT ?
In-Reply-To: <o+H3enJ6wFZLFwIO@v8tiger.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <447755.57251.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just installed one of these hoods and fit and finish is good.


cheers

frank

--- On Sat, 1/30/10, Jeff Howarth <jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk> wrote:

From: Jeff Howarth <jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk>
Subject: [Tigers]  Bolt-on Hood Scoop On Original Hood? or LAT ?
To: "Dave Munroe" <dave at munroe.ca>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net, WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com, MWood24020 at aol.com
Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 8:20 AM

For those in CA an alternative is the dual skin Fiberglass LAT bonnets
that Brad Kaplan has.

He has some more arriving in about 10 day from me in the UK.

If interested contact Brad at

bradkaplan2723 at yahoo.com


regards


Jeff


In message <39C935A1975946C79BFEE58812BC60FE at DavePC>, Dave Munroe
<dave at munroe.ca> writes
>I bought mine from Steve on eBay Buy-it-now for $185.00 in 2003.
>
>Dave
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>----------------------------
>
>
>Does anyone know if Steve still has the scoops available and what he wants
>for them?
>
>Fred Baum
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 30 22:25:42 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:25:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] ebay seller
Message-ID: <773126.9965.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I know we have a fastphil listed amongest our members. I cant imangine this
being him with a 1 as feedback. I havent hidden the fact I have no use for
sellers who profit on shipping. I posted the following to this seller.
 
so this will fit my 289 engines bellhousing?Ist it made of aluminum? Your
shipping is outrageous. Your bellhousing- the arm should be sold with it-since
it came on the bellhousing an it wont fit all 289s- just 5 bolts. Ive never
seen anyone ask so much for shipping- no need to send a response, I wont be
bidding any of your auctions. We have a fastphil amongest our owners group- it
cant be the same he would know better- I will post your auctions to our
members, so none of them will miss your outrageous prices- U know the post
office has some boxes that U can ship up to 70lbs. in- bigger the box the
higher the cost- all cheaper than any of yours. I willl make you a plate lunch
if I lived close enough- U must be starving. TtT
 
IF this is our phil, Im sorry- not for what I said or pointing out the
outrgeous charges. Im certain it is a person that we dont know. I hope no one
needs any of this sellers parts to be willing to pay his charges. Some things
are just wrong. IMO at least. THANKS for letting me vent!
 

From Rollright at aol.com  Sun Jan 31 07:54:20 2010
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:54:20 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Have Derale 15" fan
Message-ID: <3a04.13b8e494.3896f39c@aol.com>

Hello,
 
When I had my 260 rebuilt a short time ago, I first bought a 15" Derale but 
 finally used a 13" with an electric pusher.
I have a 15" in a box sitting downstairs. I'd like to get 1/2 of what  
Summit sells them for now. And an Edelbrock water pump, in a box, brand new. I  
used a stock one. Half Summit price.
 
 I hate e-bay.
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE

From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 31 09:35:54 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:35:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better than
 Originals???
In-Reply-To: <E1NbP6U-0004Cl-KF@elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <898956.51390.qm@web111617.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Bob
 
I stand corrected,  That sure looks like LAT-70's to me.  Perhaps
the restorer replaced original race wheels with them.  I was lucky
just to afford, let alone tires.  Ly JAP Magnas were better than
their driver.
 
Dave

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Bob Diehl <bob_diehl at earthlink.net> wrote:


From: Bob Diehl <bob_diehl at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Opinions Please: LAT-70 Repro Wheels Better than
Originals???
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 1:59 AM


Looks like racing on original LATs to me.
http://sjnm6a.bay.livefilestore.com/y1puuy65XMaBrUPS7rqur5sgIbRSty4oAunslhKuF
ihA636fXQY9BHR1q8ql00ieHJoQkuuZgZJcOVutLAF2XJt9Il4F36m2Wwa/vancouver-autoshow
-mk1A-racer-480.jpg

bob_diehl

At 04:55 PM 1/30/2010, David T Johnson wrote:
>I Think the broken LAT-70's are a lot of scare tactics  I do believe
>it may be an issue for racing, but not for street use.  The big issue
>is the original LAT-70 did not have the Fed required safety bead.
>My LAT-9's have the same problem.  Mounting a tire and getting it
>to seal can be a problem.  But that's why God made inner tubes.
>
>I don't remember anybody racing LAT 70's or LAT-9's.  When I
>raced I used JAP Magnas  other used Mini Lites with tubes
>I believe Spencer used Halibrands.
>
>Why use a 13 inch wheel now.  Tires are difficult to obtain.
>Listers have said what they are using.
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From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Sun Jan 31 09:41:26 2010
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:41:26 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] 66 or 67?
In-Reply-To: <8CC700702B26E50-9E50-1033@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20100131164126.3ADYS.359125.root@cdptpa-web07-z01>

Funny but I hae a 65 titled car built in Jul 65 according to BON.
but my chassis number is way off yours near the end of Mk1 at 9473720

---- jhef101 at aol.com wrote: 
> This probably fits better under this threadline, so it is a dual post.
> 
> 
> I dunno, I have a '65 according to Norm and the Book but it says '64 on the
> title. What do I have? The title kinda defines the year doesn't it?
> 
> 
> Jeff Hefner
> B9470028
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com>
> To: tigers at autox.team.net; AAAGLASSS at aol.com
> Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 2:21 pm
> Subject: [Tigers] 66 or 67?
> 
> 
> I am in the same category as a couple of others here who have reported Tigers
> that were manufactured in 1966 but titled as a 1967. In my case, I bought my
> Tiger new in October of 1966 (it came off the Jensen line in August) but the
> powers that be at the New York DMV decided it was to be titled as a 1967 and
> it has always said so on my registration. When I and my Tiger moved to Maine,
> I presented the NY registration at the Maine DMV and they registered it as a
> 1967. I guess I could have objected, but, then again, you probably have never
> waited in line at the Maine DMV. Net result, I have a 1967 MkIA Sunbeam Tiger
> which carries the license plate 67Tiger to tick the purists off even more. We
> could have the same argument about a couple of Tiger II's that I have seen or
> heard of over the years that were title as 1968's and everybody knows there
> were none built that year. To me, the year is not the important thing, it is
> whether it is a MkIA or a MkII. What you call things doesn't matter too much,
> it seems to me. It is the essence of the object that matters. Of course,
> having come by my surname by way of what genealogists call a "non-paternal
> event" some 200 years ago, I am probably prejudiced.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Tod Brown (conceived 1940, born in 1941)
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From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 31 10:18:31 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:18:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Yearly Confusion
Message-ID: <261680.47408.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

All this talk of what year Tiger you may have seems  academic because Rootes
didn't have model years like other car makers did (or do).  Rootes only built
and sold MKI and MKII Tigers with no model year designation.  On Facebook
there is a Sunbeam Tiger page (161 members and growing) with a copy of a Tiger
invoice and no model year is listed.
The DMV  title for my car has it as a 1966 Rootes Roadster and  my car was
built in October of 1964.  I suppose there are 1969 MKII Tigers out there if
other DMVs operate with the same logic.  
 
 In  Michigan you can put period license plates on a old car as long as the
plates match the year on the title.  So my car has 1966 Michigan license
plates even though it was built in 1964.   
 
 
                                                     Jeff

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 31 10:43:39 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:43:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] ebay seller
Message-ID: <99763.48908.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I suppose my email to the seller did some good as he has reduced his shipping cost on some items. I dont want him to loose money but the bellhousing is now $15 and I think it will cost more but his shifter boot ring starts at $15 and shipping is $15. Im not sure what SS sells one for but $30 minimum will surely get a person close. I also received an email from a friend who investigated and this fastphilsparts are in no way connected to OUR fastphil- two different people. Im very gald to be able to say that as I dont want to ever make a good guy look bad, specially one of US. Im sure this seller is just new to ebay and since ebay has made you put a cost in the shipping area everyone hasnt learned to say that shiiping will be at cost and be determined after the auction closes.
Cheers, TtT

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Jan 31 11:11:41 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:11:41 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Yearly Confusion
In-Reply-To: <261680.47408.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <261680.47408.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Jeff, mine also. Born in October 1964, sold and titled in 1966 in 
Ventura, Ca.  It is a 1966 according to them. Mine was also titled as a 
Rootes Roadster.. subesequent moves to other states had that 
corrected.   Reckon our cars are littermates? ....1136 is mine...

mayf
Jeffrey Nichols wrote:

>All this talk of what year Tiger you may have seems  academic because Rootes
>didn't have model years like other car makers did (or do).  Rootes only built
>and sold MKI and MKII Tigers with no model year designation.  On Facebook
>there is a Sunbeam Tiger page (161 members and growing) with a copy of a Tiger
>invoice and no model year is listed.
>The DMV  title for my car has it as a 1966 Rootes Roadster and  my car was
>built in October of 1964.  I suppose there are 1969 MKII Tigers out there if
>other DMVs operate with the same logic.  
> 
> In  Michigan you can put period license plates on a old car as long as the
>plates match the year on the title.  So my car has 1966 Michigan license
>plates even though it was built in 1964.   
> 
> 
>                                                     Jeff
>_______________________________________________

From PhastPhill at aol.com  Sun Jan 31 12:40:04 2010
From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:40:04 EST
Subject: [Tigers] ebay seller
Message-ID: <abd6.135486da.38973694@aol.com>

Not me, I don't sell anything, probably should be on the show  hoarders

From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Sun Jan 31 13:15:45 2010
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:15:45 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Yearly Confusion
Message-ID: <b31e.1fd1bc75.38973ef1@aol.com>

If I found a Tiger with lost paper work and had to re-title it would it be  
a 2010?? I'll stick with Norms list of #'s.
 
 
In a message dated 1/31/2010 10:12:00 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
drmayf at mayfco.com writes:

Jeff,  mine also. Born in October 1964, sold and titled in 1966 in 
Ventura,  Ca.  It is a 1966 according to them. Mine was also titled as a 
Rootes  Roadster.. subesequent moves to other states had that  
corrected.   Reckon our cars are littermates? ....1136 is  mine...

mayf
Jeffrey Nichols wrote:

>All this talk of what  year Tiger you may have seems  academic because 
Rootes
>didn't have  model years like other car makers did (or do).  Rootes only  
built
>and sold MKI and MKII Tigers with no model year  designation.  On Facebook
>there is a Sunbeam Tiger page (161  members and growing) with a copy of a 
Tiger
>invoice and no model year  is listed.
>The DMV  title for my car has it as a 1966 Rootes  Roadster and  my car was
>built in October of 1964.  I suppose  there are 1969 MKII Tigers out there 
if
>other DMVs operate with the  same logic.  
> 
> In  Michigan you can put period  license plates on a old car as long as 
the
>plates match the year on the  title.  So my car has 1966 Michigan license
>plates even though it  was built in 1964.   
> 
> 
>          Jeff
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 31 13:33:16 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:33:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re:  ebay seller
Message-ID: <765530.86990.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay seller
To: PhastPhill at aol.com
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 2:29 PM







Thanks Phil- there was a search done. I know it wasnt you . This guy even
spelled his user name as fastphil. I didnt want to insult you but I did want
LISTERS to be aware. He did lower some of his shipping fees- which may make me
look like the bad guy but it shows what time it was it just doesnt say what he
did as ther had been no bids.
Cheers, Tony





Not me, I don't sell anything, probably should be on the show hoarders

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sun Jan 31 14:10:40 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:10:40 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Yearly Confusion
References: <261680.47408.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4B65C7DD.2060505@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <923538F8FC68478093B9EF7E122F5AE2@student2>

July 28, 1964 build with a model year of 1965 (which is typical). I believe 
the registration just says "Sunbeam."   My Tiger has a history of Colorado 
(not sure before that) to New Mexico to the San Diego area.  When it came to 
Calif. it got registered under the JAL number not the B947-X number.

It would be interesting to see a tally of make/model name variations, 
build/model year mis-matches, registration ID variations (I recall some 
saying their engine ID was used???).

Tom 

From CoolVT at aol.com  Sun Jan 31 14:19:55 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:19:55 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Kissimmee Auction Tiger
Message-ID: <cf41.528a9e6f.38974dfb@aol.com>

A report on the Mecum auction in Kissimmee. The hopped up Tiger with the  
Ford crate, NOS and auto tranny didn't sell. The auction allows reserves and 
the  Tiger didn't break reserve.  I jotted down $32,500 as the final bid, 
but I  think that was from the owner.  I think the last official bid was  
$25,000.  I think the $32,500 was the reserve price. 
A few things hurt the price....the car was at the tail end of Saturday  
night and only about 20% of the bidders remained. The auction was running about 
 an hour late so the Tiger didn't get on until 10:30 PM. I think some of 
the  modifications didn't help the price......auto tranny, luggage rack  on  
trunk, space behind seats filled with some huge type of black structure of 
amps  and speakers.  The car was pretty well done, had a nice hard top, but 
all  of the tough parts were missing....air filter, fan shroud, oil filter 
set-up,  brake booster, etc. The owner said he thought that he had a lot of the 
parts.  He's going to contact me if he finds them so I can pass the info on 
to  listers.
The car appeared to be very much a Tiger, but it was a little dark in the  
tent at 5:00PM. The vin was B9472455.  And yes, the rivets looked very  
real:-)
Mark L

From w_pierzga at msn.com  Sun Jan 31 14:43:00 2010
From: w_pierzga at msn.com (Wayne-MSN)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:43:00 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] LAT-70 Wheel - Maintenance
In-Reply-To: <38389.98500.qm@web111604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <C78999BE.A24%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
	<38389.98500.qm@web111604.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL121-DS22A89DF285518C8E42FD6E9F590@phx.gbl>

Regarding maintenance of the LAT-70 wheels. When Larry Paulick and I were
restoring our 'beams, Larry fabricated a novel assembly to polish Lat-70
wheels. It consisted of a home-made Lazy Susan turntable to which the wheel
was mounted. An arm extending from the base of the turntable held an old
washing machine motor with a small pulley. A belt was fitted over the
wheel/pulley turning the wheel. A polishing wheel was then fitted to a hand
drill and everything put in motion. 

				Wheel
pulley
			\		 /
			 |_____|____|________belt_______________===

			 |	 |	|
__|__ 	
			/	 |	 \				   |
|
		    ==================				   |    |
motor
		    ==================---------------------/ ______
				 ^			^		 ^
			  Lazy Susan           arm	     hinge

The polished wheels looked great!

I have never had trouble with excessive aluminum porosity leading to air
loss (have had the wheels since 1974). However, if this is a problem, one
might consider coating the tire-facing side of the rim with Glyptal.

Cheers,
Wayne

From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Sun Jan 31 15:01:40 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:01:40 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Pulley Part Number
In-Reply-To: <cf41.528a9e6f.38974dfb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C78B67F4.ACC%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

All,  I need the part number of the Tiger pulleys, mainly the lower one by
the balancer.  We're trying to figure out if the one we have is from a Tiger
or some other car.  The part has a number C40E and under that is A1.  Does
this sound like it is the right one?  Thanks.  Mauro

From chris at cthompson.net  Sun Jan 31 15:16:30 2010
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:16:30 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Yearly Confusion
In-Reply-To: <923538F8FC68478093B9EF7E122F5AE2@student2>
References: <261680.47408.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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	<923538F8FC68478093B9EF7E122F5AE2@student2>
Message-ID: <4B66013E.7040400@cthompson.net>

B382000331 is registered as a 1966 Make:Rootes Model:Roadster.  In VA, 
to get it changed, you have to pay a DMV inspector to come and look at 
it.  I figure when my executor has to sell the car, I he can put it up 
on ebay as the only Rootes Roadster ever made and have the title to 
prove it.

Thomas Witt wrote:
>
>
> It would be interesting to see a tally of make/model name variations, 
> build/model year mis-matches, registration ID variations (I recall 
> some saying their engine ID was used???).

From tsmit at shaw.ca  Sun Jan 31 15:20:18 2010
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:20:18 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Pulley Part Number
In-Reply-To: <C78B67F4.ACC%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
References: <C78B67F4.ACC%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4B660222.1060105@shaw.ca>

MAURO D'ANGELO wrote:
> All,  I need the part number of the Tiger pulleys, mainly the lower one by
> the balancer.  We're trying to figure out if the one we have is from a Tiger
> or some other car.  The part has a number C40E and under that is A1.  Does
> this sound like it is the right one?  Thanks.  Mauro
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You'll know if it's right, by how close it comes to wiping out the 
steering rack tube.  It should only have one sheave, and about 1" offset 
from the balancer flange to the center of the sheave. Its outer diameter 
is about 5.5 or 6 inches. Most other Ford pulleys have a deeper offset 
and they won't leave enough clearance between the rack tube and the 
pulley. The correct one allows you to remove the water pump belt without 
having to crush it (too much) between the rack and the pulley.

Theo

From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Sun Jan 31 15:32:02 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:32:02 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Pulley Part Number
In-Reply-To: <4B660222.1060105@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <C78B6F12.AD2%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

Hi.  The problem is that another lister has a pulley for me but is not sure
it's the right one.  So the only way to know is trial and error?  I was
hoping there would be a part number to be able to verify before shipping and
trying it out...  Anyone?  I tried to measure the one in my stock Tiger with
the engine still installed, and it seemed more like 7 inches, but this is
probably wrong because it was nearly impossible to get to.  Thanks.  Mauro


On 1/31/10 5:20 PM, "Theo Smit" <tsmit at shaw.ca> wrote:

> MAURO D'ANGELO wrote:
>> All,  I need the part number of the Tiger pulleys, mainly the lower one by
>> the balancer.  We're trying to figure out if the one we have is from a Tiger
>> or some other car.  The part has a number C40E and under that is A1.  Does
>> this sound like it is the right one?  Thanks.  Mauro
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>>   
> You'll know if it's right, by how close it comes to wiping out the
> steering rack tube.  It should only have one sheave, and about 1" offset
> from the balancer flange to the center of the sheave. Its outer diameter
> is about 5.5 or 6 inches. Most other Ford pulleys have a deeper offset
> and they won't leave enough clearance between the rack tube and the
> pulley. The correct one allows you to remove the water pump belt without
> having to crush it (too much) between the rack and the pulley.
> 
> Theo

From hanjan2 at bellsouth.net  Sun Jan 31 15:34:57 2010
From: hanjan2 at bellsouth.net (hanjan2)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:34:57 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Yearly Confusion
References: <261680.47408.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4B65C7DD.2060505@mayfco.com><923538F8FC68478093B9EF7E122F5AE2@student2>
	<4B66013E.7040400@cthompson.net>
Message-ID: <004401caa2c5$9f2f1380$0202a8c0@maincomp>

Chris,
You're not the only one.
I have a Florida registered 1967 Rootes Roadster

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Thompson" <chris at cthompson.net>
To: "Thomas Witt" <atwittsend at verizon.net>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Yearly Confusion


> B382000331 is registered as a 1966 Make:Rootes Model:Roadster.  In VA, 
> to get it changed, you have to pay a DMV inspector to come and look at 
> it.  I figure when my executor has to sell the car, I he can put it up 
> on ebay as the only Rootes Roadster ever made and have the title to 
> prove it.
> 
> Thomas Witt wrote:
>>
>>
>> It would be interesting to see a tally of make/model name variations, 
>> build/model year mis-matches, registration ID variations (I recall 
>> some saying their engine ID was used???).
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From tsmit at shaw.ca  Sun Jan 31 16:07:36 2010
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:07:36 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Pulley Part Number
In-Reply-To: <C78B6F12.AD2%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
References: <C78B6F12.AD2%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4B660D38.4020704@shaw.ca>

You might find this doc of interest:
http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/2-AF-EngineMotor.pdf
There is a better scan (but without the Ford numbers) at
<http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/factory_parts_list/Tiger/Tiger%20II%20Supplement%20Section%20AF.pdf>

Anyway, your part number is Rootes: 6100031 Ford: C4JZ-6312-A.

It will be tough to find this part number in any Ford catalogue, but you 
might find a similar-enough part on other mid to late 60's Fords.

Theo

MAURO D'ANGELO wrote:
> Hi.  The problem is that another lister has a pulley for me but is not sure
> it's the right one.  So the only way to know is trial and error?  I was

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 17:50:00 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 11:50:00 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Club Victoria Display 2010
Message-ID: <d86d088a1001311650x2af57b92r202454f19eab42b9@mail.gmail.com>

The sunbeam club of victoria had its show at federation square on sunday.

We had 39 sunbeams and 16 rootes vehicles.. a strong showing.

some pics of the day:

http://community.webshots.com/album/576566136vncRDO

http://picasaweb.google.com/Volvo740...Album?authkey=<http://picasaweb.google.com/Volvo740...Album?authkey=Gv1sRgCNDbqr_6-I2Sdg>
Gv1sRgCNDbqr_6-I2Sdg<http://picasaweb.google.com/Volvo740T/SunbeamsFederationSquareAlbum?authkey=>
#

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Jan 31 18:06:34 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:06:34 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Pulley Part Number
In-Reply-To: <C78B6F12.AD2%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <44EA523472C84B6091025F569C8F4278@ronpc1>

Mauro

The pulley on the crank C4JZ-6312-A
The pulley on the water pump is C4JZ-8509-A

These are the Ford part numbers you would use to order one at the parts
counter and on the packaging for the part.
These numbers are rarely on the part itself.  The parts might have an
engineering number and a date code number and generally a Ford logo.

I don't have either pulley handy to examine for markings.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:32 PM
To: Theo Smit
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Pulley Part Number


Hi.  The problem is that another lister has a pulley for me but is not sure
it's the right one.  So the only way to know is trial and error?  I was
hoping there would be a part number to be able to verify before shipping and
trying it out...  Anyone?  I tried to measure the one in my stock Tiger with
the engine still installed, and it seemed more like 7 inches, but this is
probably wrong because it was nearly impossible to get to.  Thanks.  Mauro


On 1/31/10 5:20 PM, "Theo Smit" <tsmit at shaw.ca> wrote:

> MAURO D'ANGELO wrote:
>> All,  I need the part number of the Tiger pulleys, mainly the lower
>> one by the balancer.  We're trying to figure out if the one we have
>> is from a Tiger or some other car.  The part has a number C40E and
>> under that is A1.  Does this sound like it is the right one?  Thanks.
>> Mauro _______________________________________________
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> You'll know if it's right, by how close it comes to wiping out the
> steering rack tube.  It should only have one sheave, and about 1"
> offset from the balancer flange to the center of the sheave. Its outer
> diameter is about 5.5 or 6 inches. Most other Ford pulleys have a
> deeper offset and they won't leave enough clearance between the rack
> tube and the pulley. The correct one allows you to remove the water
> pump belt without having to crush it (too much) between the rack and
> the pulley.
>
> Theo
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From jhef101 at aol.com  Sun Jan 31 19:25:54 2010
From: jhef101 at aol.com (jhef101 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:25:54 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Yearly Confusion
In-Reply-To: <923538F8FC68478093B9EF7E122F5AE2@student2>
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Mine is an April '64 build, with a Florida Title now, had been Texas, MO,
Vermont, Colorado, and I'm not sure where else. I think Norm has an idea of
the early history maybe. Anyone else with an early Tiger and a "64 title? I
thought as well that they were all titled as 65's onward.


Jeff Hefner
B9470028





-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, Jan 31, 2010 4:10 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Yearly Confusion


July 28, 1964 build with a model year of 1965 (which is typical). I believe
the registration just says "Sunbeam." My Tiger has a history of Colorado (not
sure before that) to New Mexico to the San Diego area. When it came to Calif.
it got registered under the JAL number not the B947-X number.

It would be interesting to see a tally of make/model name variations,
build/model year mis-matches, registration ID variations (I recall some saying
their engine ID was used???).

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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Jan 20 17:49:18 2010
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:49:18 -0000
Subject: [Tigers] Membership/e-mail
Message-ID: <4B57A519.1070900@bradakis.com>

A subscriber on another list asked this question, I figured that the

answer might be helpful to some folks on other lists.

And on a side note, for those of you who might be on some
other Team.Net lists,you may have noticed I've been starting
to add to the message trailer. Below the donate link
[ http://www.team.net/donate.html ] I've added a suggested
annual donation amount. For example, on the team-thicko list
which is about Sprites, $9.48.  Spitfires gets the displacement
of the original motor, $11.47.  I wonder what I should do for
Tigers and Alpines?  $2.60?  $17.25?

mjb.


> I would like to suspend myself from receiving list e-mail for an undefined
> time, probably 90 days due to some surgery.  Can you help me?


1.  Click on the link at the bottom of this message, the 
mailman/listinfo one.

2.  In the subscriber section, enter your email address and list 
password.

3.  Realize that you should have kept a copy of the monthly reminder with
   your list password.

4.  Delete your address from the first box and enter it into the box labeled
  'Unsubscribe or Edit options" and click on the button.

5.  Click on the password reminder button.

6.  When the reminder message arrives, click on the link, pasting in
   your newly arrived password.

7.  Go down to the 'Mail Delivery' section of the subscription options.

8.  Click on the 'disabled' button.

9.  Go down to the bottom of the page and click on 'Submit my changes'

10.  Getting mail flowing again is the same procedure, except obviously
     you would click on the 'enable' button.


On a side note, this is a handy procedure if you use more than one email 
address.  You can subscribe, say, both your home address and your work
address, and set only one of them to enable.  Having the other address
subscribed will keep messages you send from that address from getting
bounced as non-member spam, but you won't get multiple copies of each
list message.
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