From TIGEROOTES at aol.com  Mon Feb  1 10:44:14 2010
From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:44:14 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Yearly Confusion
Message-ID: <19c7.168f274d.38986cee@aol.com>

Jeff,
My Tiger is #0908 and I took "The Book of Norman" to my State's DMV to  
verify its build date: they accepted it, so my car is now a 1964.
Jim
 
 
In a message dated 1/31/2010 6:26:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
jhef101 at aol.com writes:

Mine is  an April '64 build, with a Florida Title now, had been Texas, MO,
Vermont,  Colorado, and I'm not sure where else. I think Norm has an idea of
the  early history maybe. Anyone else with an early Tiger and a "64 title?  
I
thought as well that they were all titled as 65's onward.


Jeff  Hefner
B9470028

From tgrrr at peoplepc.com  Mon Feb  1 12:13:54 2010
From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 11:13:54 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Pulley Part Number
References: <44EA523472C84B6091025F569C8F4278@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <32FCA72EC49644A59D1546718FB3ED16@bob>

The pulley I have has no visible markings. It measures 6 1/8" overall 
diameter with 1 groove which is 1 1/4" from mounting surface. It measures 1 
9/16" from mtg surface to outermost edge.

Bob H

----- Original Message ----- 
From: " Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
To: "'MAURO D'ANGELO'" <m_dangelo at verizon.net>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Pulley Part Number


> Mauro
>
> The pulley on the crank C4JZ-6312-A
> The pulley on the water pump is C4JZ-8509-A
>
> These are the Ford part numbers you would use to order one at the parts
> counter and on the packaging for the part.
> These numbers are rarely on the part itself.  The parts might have an
> engineering number and a date code number and generally a Ford logo.
>
> I don't have either pulley handy to examine for markings.
>
> Ron Fraser

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Feb  2 15:46:51 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:46:51 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] some more sunbeam photos
Message-ID: <d86d088a1002021446v5f2f35cesce392a4f033637c5@mail.gmail.com>

A friend of mine took some more artistic photos of the sunbeam display..
thoght i would share:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/fairleytrashed/sets/72157623211934385/

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  2 17:16:16 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:16:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] some more sunbeam photos
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a1002021446v5f2f35cesce392a4f033637c5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <213449.97266.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

MORE really nice cars Michael- really nice.
TtT

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From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Subject: [Tigers] some more sunbeam photos
To: "Tiger Talk List Tiger" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 4:46 PM


A friend of mine took some more artistic photos of the sunbeam display..
thoght i would share:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/fairleytrashed/sets/72157623211934385/

--
Regards

Michael King
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From bob at rjosten.com  Tue Feb  2 17:37:29 2010
From: bob at rjosten.com (Bob Josten)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 16:37:29 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] some more sunbeam photos
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a1002021446v5f2f35cesce392a4f033637c5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d86d088a1002021446v5f2f35cesce392a4f033637c5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a29f7c891002021637g75a4c931qd4ec327c7a717063@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Michael, beautiful images, thanks for posting them.
I've never been there but how can you beat Fed Square as a place to
have a car show?
regards
Bob


On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:46 PM, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:
> A friend of mine took some more artistic photos of the sunbeam display..
> thoght i would share:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/fairleytrashed/sets/72157623211934385/

From stubrennan at comcast.net  Tue Feb  2 18:44:57 2010
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 20:44:57 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Non Tiger:  Some interesting Photos
Message-ID: <001801caa472$7ddc0a40$6801a8c0@Brennan>

Start viewing this gallery, don't stop before you see what the deal is
here. 
 
 <http://www.flickr. com/photos/ 24796741@ N05/sets/ 7215760424724233
8/show/with/ 2346008881/> http://www.flickr. com/photos/ 24796741@
N05/sets/ 7215760424724233 8/show/with/ 2346008881/

Incredible, yes?
 
Stu

From sganz at pacbell.net  Tue Feb  2 19:59:07 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 18:59:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Sue Kessler's Tiger
Message-ID: <448992.42708.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Here is the link to the video at the TMPCC show a couple of weeks back with
Sue and her Get Smart tribute move car.
http://www.adamcarolla.com/CarCastBlog/2010/01/29/courtney-hansen/

Second
Video Down.

Enjoy!

Sandy

From bob at rjosten.com  Tue Feb  2 22:23:15 2010
From: bob at rjosten.com (Bob Josten)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 21:23:15 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] bike/car
Message-ID: <a29f7c891002022123k16fa7596se0bc1f340f33876d@mail.gmail.com>

A while ago there was a discussion here about the pros and cons of
putting a motorcycle engine in a small car. My neighbor recently
finished his project where he put a big aluminum block hemi into his
trike.
You could buy 6 or 7 very nice tigers with what he spent on this thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeNLMN_RqSI

Bob

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Tue Feb  2 23:11:15 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:11:15 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] bike/car
References: <a29f7c891002022123k16fa7596se0bc1f340f33876d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45775F8A8688469590F6910BC9182966@student2>

WOW!  I wonder what his Mother-In -Laws shopping cart and his kids strollers 
are like!  :-) 

From arado7 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb  3 04:26:54 2010
From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 03:26:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] bike/car
In-Reply-To: <a29f7c891002022123k16fa7596se0bc1f340f33876d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <734567.8102.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

DON"T have to build mine. It is a British Triumph Rocket 3. 2300cc in line 3
cylinder producing 147 ft, # torque @ 1800 rpm.. Boss Hoss  et all can't out
run and sure can't match handling.  All this for 15K in 2005.   Gary
B9472283.  Stone stock original.  rust free. 
--- On Wed, 2/3/10, Bob Josten <bob at rjosten.com> wrote:


From: Bob Josten <bob at rjosten.com>
Subject: [Tigers] bike/car
To: "Tiger's Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 5:23 AM


A while ago there was a discussion here about the pros and cons of
putting a motorcycle engine in a small car. My neighbor recently
finished his project where he put a big aluminum block hemi into his
trike.
You could buy 6 or 7 very nice tigers with what he spent on this thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeNLMN_RqSI

Bob
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From mark.rense at ge.com  Wed Feb  3 06:23:32 2010
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd))
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 08:23:32 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] bike/car
In-Reply-To: <a29f7c891002022123k16fa7596se0bc1f340f33876d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a29f7c891002022123k16fa7596se0bc1f340f33876d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A01EA3CA2@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Here's a commercially available street-legal three wheel motorcycle/car
combo called the T-Rex. With 190 HP from a stock Kawasaki ZX14
powertrain and at 1000 pounds it's performance is pretty impressive. It
handles well too, unlike most home-built three wheeled vehicles. Watch
the video clip from the Top Gear road test, it's a hoot.

 http://www.campagnamotors.com/

Bugz

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Josten
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:23 AM
To: Tiger's Den
Subject: [Tigers] bike/car

A while ago there was a discussion here about the pros and cons of
putting a motorcycle engine in a small car. My neighbor recently
finished his project where he put a big aluminum block hemi into his
trike.
You could buy 6 or 7 very nice tigers with what he spent on this thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeNLMN_RqSI

Bob

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Wed Feb  3 07:11:51 2010
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 14:11:51 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] bike/car
In-Reply-To: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A01EA3CA2@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <a29f7c891002022123k16fa7596se0bc1f340f33876d@mail.gmail.com>
	<D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A01EA3CA2@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b1002030611nc816c9brae0ecfc7b36918cc@mail.gmail.com>

z-cars do a kit or ready made car using an old mini shell and a hyabusa
engine in the UK.  they also do it with the Smart and do more versions
powered by even more powerful (non bike) engines.  0-60mph in 2.8s if i
remember rightly!

http://www.zcars.org.uk/about/index.htm


On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) <
mark.rense at ge.com> wrote:

> Here's a commercially available street-legal three wheel motorcycle/car
> combo called the T-Rex. With 190 HP from a stock Kawasaki ZX14
> powertrain and at 1000 pounds it's performance is pretty impressive. It
> handles well too, unlike most home-built three wheeled vehicles. Watch
> the video clip from the Top Gear road test, it's a hoot.
>
>  http://www.campagnamotors.com/
>
> Bugz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Josten
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:23 AM
> To: Tiger's Den
> Subject: [Tigers] bike/car
>
> A while ago there was a discussion here about the pros and cons of
> putting a motorcycle engine in a small car. My neighbor recently
> finished his project where he put a big aluminum block hemi into his
> trike.
> You could buy 6 or 7 very nice tigers with what he spent on this thing.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeNLMN_RqSI
>
> Bob
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Wed Feb  3 07:12:20 2010
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 14:12:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] some more sunbeam photos
In-Reply-To: <213449.97266.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1592205975.2417151265206340710.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

More really nice PHOTOS of really nice cars.
Your friend is really talented!
Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Somebody 
To: Tiger Talk List Tiger , michael king 
Sent: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 00:16:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] some more sunbeam photos

MORE really nice cars Michael- really nice.
TtT

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, michael king  wrote:


From: michael king 
Subject: [Tigers] some more sunbeam photos
To: "Tiger Talk List Tiger" 
Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 4:46 PM


A friend of mine took some more artistic photos of the sunbeam display..
thoght i would share:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/fairleytrashed/sets/72157623211934385/

--
Regards

Michael King

From cmccann at lwpb.com  Wed Feb  3 08:43:38 2010
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:43:38 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Sue Kessler's Tiger
In-Reply-To: <448992.42708.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <448992.42708.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BBDFA7C3F@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

Sandy, excellent work as usual, I get a tremendous amount of enjoyment
watching the videos and you and Adam make a great team. I sit at a desk most
of my day and I listen to the videos in my headphones and all my coworkers
stair at me while I laugh at myself at apparently nothing.  I have only one
question about the Sue Kesler interview....so you let Adam say that the Alpine
bodies and Tiger bodies are the same except for badges??!!!?? you know better
than that...LOL...I can't believe you sold out!!!

naw you know I'm just kidding, good stuff, thanks for sharing!

Cullen




Here is the link to the video at the TMPCC show a couple of weeks back with
Sue and her Get Smart tribute move car.
http://www.adamcarolla.com/CarCastBlog/2010/01/29/courtney-hansen/

Second
Video Down.

Enjoy!

Sandy

From v8tracker at gmail.com  Wed Feb  3 08:55:52 2010
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:55:52 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Non Tiger:  Some interesting Photos
In-Reply-To: <001801caa472$7ddc0a40$6801a8c0@Brennan>
References: <001801caa472$7ddc0a40$6801a8c0@Brennan>
Message-ID: <4D0AD758793344D89F592A50D39CEC10@DellD4700>

Stu,

As you said, incredible. I have never seen anything like it.

Now if I could just talk him out of that green '49 Olds
coupe..................

A. C. Tynes
New Orleans

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stu Brennan
> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 7:45 PM
> To: Tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Non Tiger: Some interesting Photos
> 
> Start viewing this gallery, don't stop before you see what 
> the deal is here. 
>  
>  <http://www.flickr. com/photos/ 24796741@ N05/sets/ 
> 7215760424724233 8/show/with/ 2346008881/> http://www.flickr.
> com/photos/24796741 at N05/sets/72157604247242338/show/with/ 
> 2346008881/
> 
> Incredible, yes?
>  
> Stu
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From bobdixon at frii.com  Wed Feb  3 09:27:45 2010
From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:27:45 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Edelbrock water pump
Message-ID: <c612ba3f4f14658033569e0fa238c6ae.squirrel@users.frii.com>

Does anyone know if the Edelbrock #8842 will work on a normal 289.  It
says it's for a Hi-Po 289 but I wasn't sure if the timing chain covers
were different between the two engines.

Thanks,
Bob

From sganz at pacbell.net  Wed Feb  3 10:51:55 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:51:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Edelbrock water pump
In-Reply-To: <c612ba3f4f14658033569e0fa238c6ae.squirrel@users.frii.com>
References: <c612ba3f4f14658033569e0fa238c6ae.squirrel@users.frii.com>
Message-ID: <441195.17758.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I think that is the one I got for my tiger project and used a regular timing
chain cover, so may be fine. 

Sandy



----- Original Message ----
From: Bob
Dixon <bobdixon at frii.com>
To: "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, February 3, 2010 8:27:45 AM
Subject: [Tigers] Edelbrock water pump
Does anyone know if the Edelbrock #8842 will work on a normal 289.  It
says
it's for a Hi-Po 289 but I wasn't sure if the timing chain covers
were
different between the two engines.

Thanks,
Bob
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From sganz at pacbell.net  Wed Feb  3 10:54:57 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:54:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Sue Kessler's Tiger
In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BBDFA7C3F@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>
References: <448992.42708.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BBDFA7C3F@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>
Message-ID: <650501.19706.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hard enough to get a word in with Adam, much less correct him on that kind of
details, it's hollywood you know! Good time at the show and Sue was very nice
as well.

Thanks, more coming. Working on doing a live video stream of me
yanking the motor out of the Mustang race car. See how that goes. Might be up
this weekend.

Sandy



----- Original Message ----
From: Cullen McCann
<cmccann at lwpb.com>
To: Sandy Ganz <sganz at pacbell.net>; "tigers at autox.team.net"
<tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, February 3, 2010 7:43:38 AM
Subject: RE:
[Tigers] Sue Kessler's Tiger

Sandy, excellent work as usual, I get a
tremendous amount of enjoyment watching the videos and you and Adam make a
great team. I sit at a desk most of my day and I listen to the videos in my
headphones and all my coworkers stair at me while I laugh at myself at
apparently nothing.  I have only one question about the Sue Kesler
interview....so you let Adam say that the Alpine bodies and Tiger bodies are
the same except for badges??!!!?? you know better than that...LOL...I can't
believe you sold out!!! 

naw you know I'm just kidding, good stuff, thanks
for sharing!

Cullen




Here is the link to the video at the TMPCC show a
couple of weeks back with
Sue and her Get Smart tribute move car.
http://www.adamcarolla.com/CarCastBlog/2010/01/29/courtney-hansen/

Second
Video Down.

Enjoy!

Sandy

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  3 11:12:18 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:12:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Holbay engine help
Message-ID: <700672.10412.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

As some members know I have both Tigers and Alpines I have been attempting to
build a better than stock 1725 for my S5 w/ OD My first setback was the
machine shop some how lost a beautiful head I had spent lots of time porting
then paid a pro to finish up- soon I decided I would like to have a Holbay
engine and had made friends with a chap in the UK who had bought a Holbay
head, intake and headers several years back and was willing to sell them to me
for what he paid- what a great person this gentleman is but upon searching his
workshop the parts where missing It seems his neighborhood has changed over
the years and what used to be left unlocked is now in need of alarms as crime
is up in the UK too- long story short he had been burglarized but wasnt aware
his Beam parts had also been removed. He is an older gent and says he has so
many bits he may never know what all was taken. Next I met a guy selling
Holbay items on epay and although I wasnt able to
 get the head, he has another Holbay engine. I have help in getting the
smaller parts to the USA but I dont think the block is one that can be
brought. I need to know if the Holbay uses the same 1725 as the stock block. I
know it uses a different head and of course the cam isnt the same or even the
intake and it uses flat head pistons to raise compression. There is prolly an
American flat head piston that would work BUT thats a guess and wishful
thinking ANY information on the similarities or the differences between the
Holbay and the stock 1725 know to our members would be appreciated.Feel free
to contact me off list
Thanks in advance
TtT
PS- I sent this to the Tiger list as well because I know we have members that
have a broad knowledge of Sunbeams other than the Tiger.

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Feb  3 11:37:07 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 13:37:07 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Edelbrock water pump
In-Reply-To: <c612ba3f4f14658033569e0fa238c6ae.squirrel@users.frii.com>
Message-ID: <B0AC209D1F794C84BC220C1F6EA79AE3@ronpc1>

Bob 
	As far as I know there is no difference between the STD and Hi-Po
289 timing cover for the same model year.

Timing cover casting # C4OE-6059A uses the Aluminum water pump
Timing Cover casting # C5OE-6059A uses the cast iron water pump; started
June 1965 and 6 bolt 289 engine.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Bob Dixon
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:28 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Edelbrock water pump


Does anyone know if the Edelbrock #8842 will work on a normal 289.  It says
it's for a Hi-Po 289 but I wasn't sure if the timing chain covers were
different between the two engines.

Thanks,
Bob
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From dave at munroe.ca  Wed Feb  3 13:02:14 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:02:14 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Holbay engine help
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References: <700672.10412.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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 IHi Tony:

Pheew, that's quite a story!

I don't know anything about Holbays (what's a Holbay??) but I do know about pistons.

I had a set of custom forged pistons made by http://www.jepistons.com/LatestNews.aspx (Watch the cool video!)

I blew up a couple on my MGB, and sent them the dimensions of my engine (bore, stroke, cyl. head volume, etc) and gave them my compression ratio requirements for the supercharger (8:1) and when installed they measured 7.998:1 with a burette on the assembled engine. Can't beat that! I'm sure there are other mfrs. that can do it as well. I have Keith Black off-the-shelf forged pistons in my Tiger....

Cost was reasonable too: IIRC it was in the vicinity of $850 for the set of four. Things of beauty they were. Too bad we couldn't make an engine of see-thru material so we could drool over the cool parts....

Best of luck with the Holbay search!

Cheers,

Dave
original cast vs custom JP forged



 
Tony said:

I know it uses a different head and of course the cam isnt the same or even the
 intake and it uses flat head pistons to raise compression. There is prolly an
 American flat head piston that would work BUT thats a guess and wishful
 thinking ANY information on the similarities or the differences between the
 Holbay and the stock 1725 know to our members would be appreciated.Feel free
 to contact me off list
 Thanks in advance
 TtT

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From spook01 at comcast.net  Wed Feb  3 13:04:44 2010
From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01 at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 20:04:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Edelbrock water pump
In-Reply-To: <B0AC209D1F794C84BC220C1F6EA79AE3@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <1346365447.3368741265227484094.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

i assume the same will work on the 302?



----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
To: "Bob Dixon" <bobdixon at frii.com>, tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2010 12:37:07 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Edelbrock water pump

Bob
B B B B B B B B As far as I know there is no difference between the STD and
Hi-Po
289 timing cover for the same model year.

Timing cover casting # C4OE-6059A uses the Aluminum water pump
Timing Cover casting # C5OE-6059A uses the cast iron water pump; started
June 1965 and 6 bolt 289 engine.

Ron Fraser

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To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Edelbrock water pump


Does anyone know if the Edelbrock #8842 will work on a normal 289. B It says
it's for a Hi-Po 289 but I wasn't sure if the timing chain covers were
different between the two engines.

Thanks,
Bob
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Feb  3 13:10:29 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 15:10:29 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Edelbrock water pump
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It should work on the 302 but I have no experience with this water pump.
Edelbrock support will have the answer or at least they should.
 
Ron Fraser

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To: rfraser at bluefrog.com
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Edelbrock water pump


i assume the same will work on the 302?



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Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2010 12:37:07 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Edelbrock water pump

Bob 
        As far as I know there is no difference between the STD and Hi-Po
289 timing cover for the same model year.

Timing cover casting # C4OE-6059A uses the Aluminum water pump
Timing Cover casting # C5OE-6059A uses the cast iron water pump; started
June 1965 and 6 bolt 289 engine.

Ron Fraser

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On Behalf Of Bob Dixon
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To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Edelbrock water pump


Does anyone know if the Edelbrock #8842 will work on a normal 289.  It says
it's for a Hi-Po 289 but I wasn't sure if the timing chain covers were
different between the two engines.

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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Feb  3 15:55:51 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 09:55:51 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Holbay engine help
In-Reply-To: <700672.10412.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <700672.10412.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d86d088a1002031455qce4f8cdp2d2f6f5b3f8652d5@mail.gmail.com>

Tony,

The blocks are the same.. no worries there.. I would not be so concerned
about building a holbay motor.. you can modify a stock alpine setup to be
better thana stock holbay.

The H120 and GLS motors had:

Head:
smaller intakes, sodium filled valaves (same size as stock) kidney shaped
combustion chambers.
Cam+ igntion:
different cam and distributor to stock 1725.. also E128 cam available..
gives the orginal intended 120hp
Pistons:
Hepolite flat tops with differnt rings NLA
Sump:
Alloy finned same as US spec alpine GT's (fastbacks)
intake:
tapered manifold with 2 x 40DCOE webers (special to holbay top breathing
with extended auilery venturis) Also the eninge was a slanted setup s the
manifold has to be cut and shut to work on a vertical motor.

I have lots of info on how to build a nice 1725.. the comon way and best to
go in the USA:

1725.. balanced and blueprinted.
chev 6 cyl rods
venolia custom pistons with chev pins
head with vizard modified combustion chambers 3 angle valve grind
delta camshaft KB grind for good street performance
delta refinished rockes
there are lots of other detail stuff and variations depending on budget..
but this would be a good strong reliable and peppy motor.. and is a well
known path amoung alpine people.

If you want a really good bolt in motor with all the tricks and extra if you
want speak to James Ellis (Jim E) from the alpine boards.. i can give you
his details fi you want.. lots of happy customers.



On 4 February 2010 05:12, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> As some members know I have both Tigers and Alpines I have been attempting
> to
> build a better than stock 1725 for my S5 w/ OD My first setback was the
> machine shop some how lost a beautiful head I had spent lots of time
> porting
> then paid a pro to finish up- soon I decided I would like to have a Holbay
> engine and had made friends with a chap in the UK who had bought a Holbay
> head, intake and headers several years back and was willing to sell them to
> me
> for what he paid- what a great person this gentleman is but upon searching
> his
> workshop the parts where missing It seems his neighborhood has changed over
> the years and what used to be left unlocked is now in need of alarms as
> crime
> is up in the UK too- long story short he had been burglarized but wasnt
> aware
> his Beam parts had also been removed. He is an older gent and says he has
> so
> many bits he may never know what all was taken. Next I met a guy selling
> Holbay items on epay and although I wasnt able to
>  get the head, he has another Holbay engine. I have help in getting the
> smaller parts to the USA but I dont think the block is one that can be
> brought. I need to know if the Holbay uses the same 1725 as the stock
> block. I
> know it uses a different head and of course the cam isnt the same or even
> the
> intake and it uses flat head pistons to raise compression. There is prolly
> an
> American flat head piston that would work BUT thats a guess and wishful
> thinking ANY information on the similarities or the differences between the
> Holbay and the stock 1725 know to our members would be appreciated.Feel
> free
> to contact me off list
> Thanks in advance
> TtT
> PS- I sent this to the Tiger list as well because I know we have members
> that
> have a broad knowledge of Sunbeams other than the Tiger.
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From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Fri Feb  5 16:47:05 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:47:05 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Mark 1A Correct Soft Top?
In-Reply-To: <1592205975.2417151265206340710.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C7921829.C3F%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

Hello all.  I am about to order a new soft top for my car and wanted to get
your opinions about which would be correct, which looks best, and which is
the one you would choose on your own car.  My car is a 1966 Mark 1A
(B382001355LRXFE).  The top on the car looked as if it had not been put up
in 30 years and was very tatty.  It looked like it was a crush grain with a
black interior.  

So, is the correct top for the Mark 1A a pin point top, a crush grain, or an
British Everflex?  The reason I bring the latter into the question is
because it has a grey interior.  I hear from some experts that the original
tops were grey on the inside, on other experts say they were black. So,
what's the truth?  On the exterior material, I thought the Mark 1A had a
crush grain, but I have just been told that the car would have had pinpoint.
What is the truth?

And if pinpoint is right, then wouldn't a real cloth top look better?  Any
and all opinions and inputs are highly sought and appreciated in advance!
Thanks guys.  Mauro

From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Fri Feb  5 16:55:10 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:55:10 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] To roll bar or not to roll bar, that is the question...
In-Reply-To: <1592205975.2417151265206340710.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C7921A0E.C41%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

My car has a roll bar in it.  I think a roll bar in a car that has a bolt-on
windshield it probably a good idea; however bolting a roll bar onto a floor
that may or may not be solid could be dangerous in its own right, and may
just give a false sense of security.  What are your opinions re?  Then there
is a the question of the difficulty in using a tonneau cover and messing up
the rear shelf carpeting.  Finally, the roll bar limits the already limited
leg room for the driver.  I'm thinking of removing my roll bar and basically
looking for a sanity check from my fellow Tigermaniacs.  Please let me know
what you think!  Thanks.  Mauro

From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Fri Feb  5 18:21:51 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:21:51 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Looking for a water pump (and crank) pulley
In-Reply-To: <C7921BFA.C43%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <C7922E5F.C47%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

OK, I've had zero luck so far in finding a crank pulley for my 289 engine
that will go into my Tiger some day.  Bummer.  What I did not realize was
that the pulley for the water pump was also specific for the Tiger (I
think).  Does anyone out there have a spare Tiger water pump and/or crank
pulley(s) to sell to me?  Please let me know.  Thanks.  Mauro

From gswaybright at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  5 19:13:47 2010
From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 18:13:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] To roll bar or not to roll bar,
 that is the  question...
In-Reply-To: <C7921A0E.C41%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
References: <C7921A0E.C41%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <252132.76063.qm@web31408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

When my car was restored, I had Dale put in his custom 5 point roll bars and the forward brace is removable, so you don't risk cracking your skull open when not wearing a helmet. 

Without the forward brace, I doubt the normal Tiger roll bars will be all that much help... but you should at least have proper mounting plates beneath the floor where the bar is mounted.

The reallity of how I use the car is that it is never going to be put at much risk of a roll over, and the bar adds a lot of aggravation to put the top up and down (in my MkI w/ the metal covers), so I'm contemplating removing the bar and getting a replacement rear shelf carpet piece without the holes that accommodate the bar.


If I ever bring the car to a road course instead of one of my other toys (all worth much less than the Tiger and much better suited for track days), I'd just bolt the bar back in for that event. 

My vote = remove the bar for street use, replace only for track events.
 Best regards,
Stephen Waybright
www.linkedin.com/in/gswaybright



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From: MAURO D'ANGELO <m_dangelo at verizon.net>
To: Tiger Talk List Tiger <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, February 5, 2010 6:55:10 PM
Subject: [Tigers] To roll bar or not to roll bar, that is the question...

My car has a roll bar in it.  I think a roll bar in a car that has a bolt-on
windshield it probably a good idea; however bolting a roll bar onto a floor
that may or may not be solid could be dangerous in its own right, and may
just give a false sense of security.  What are your opinions re?  Then there
is a the question of the difficulty in using a tonneau cover and messing up
the rear shelf carpeting.  Finally, the roll bar limits the already limited
leg room for the driver.  I'm thinking of removing my roll bar and basically
looking for a sanity check from my fellow Tigermaniacs.  Please let me know
what you think!  Thanks.  Mauro
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From gswaybright at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  5 19:17:57 2010
From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 18:17:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Mark 1A Correct Soft Top?
In-Reply-To: <C7921829.C3F%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
References: <C7921829.C3F%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <116988.78885.qm@web31408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I can' t answer the question of what's "correct", but Dale had a black canvas top made for my car and it looks fantastic! I love it.

 Stephen Waybright
www.linkedin.com/in/gswaybright



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From: MAURO D'ANGELO <m_dangelo at verizon.net>
To: Tiger Talk List Tiger <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, February 5, 2010 6:47:05 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Mark 1A Correct Soft Top?

Hello all.  I am about to order a new soft top for my car and wanted to get
your opinions about which would be correct, which looks best, and which is
the one you would choose on your own car.  My car is a 1966 Mark 1A
(B382001355LRXFE).  The top on the car looked as if it had not been put up
in 30 years and was very tatty.  It looked like it was a crush grain with a
black interior.  

So, is the correct top for the Mark 1A a pin point top, a crush grain, or an
British Everflex?  The reason I bring the latter into the question is
because it has a grey interior.  I hear from some experts that the original
tops were grey on the inside, on other experts say they were black. So,
what's the truth?  On the exterior material, I thought the Mark 1A had a
crush grain, but I have just been told that the car would have had pinpoint.
What is the truth?

And if pinpoint is right, then wouldn't a real cloth top look better?  Any
and all opinions and inputs are highly sought and appreciated in advance!
Thanks guys.  Mauro
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From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Fri Feb  5 19:30:47 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:30:47 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Mark 1A Correct Soft Top?
In-Reply-To: <116988.78885.qm@web31408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C7923E87.C4C%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

Good news.  Does Dale's canvas top cost more than vinyl? Thanks.  Mauro


On 2/5/10 9:17 PM, "Stephen Waybright" <gswaybright at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I can' t answer the question of what's "correct", but Dale had a black canvas
> top made for my car and it looks fantastic! I love it.
> 
>  Stephen Waybright
> www.linkedin.com/in/gswaybright
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: MAURO D'ANGELO <m_dangelo at verizon.net>
> To: Tiger Talk List Tiger <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, February 5, 2010 6:47:05 PM
> Subject: [Tigers] Mark 1A Correct Soft Top?
> 
> Hello all.  I am about to order a new soft top for my car and wanted to get
> your opinions about which would be correct, which looks best, and which is
> the one you would choose on your own car.  My car is a 1966 Mark 1A
> (B382001355LRXFE).  The top on the car looked as if it had not been put up
> in 30 years and was very tatty.  It looked like it was a crush grain with a
> black interior.  
> 
> So, is the correct top for the Mark 1A a pin point top, a crush grain, or an
> British Everflex?  The reason I bring the latter into the question is
> because it has a grey interior.  I hear from some experts that the original
> tops were grey on the inside, on other experts say they were black. So,
> what's the truth?  On the exterior material, I thought the Mark 1A had a
> crush grain, but I have just been told that the car would have had pinpoint.
> What is the truth?
> 
> And if pinpoint is right, then wouldn't a real cloth top look better?  Any
> and all opinions and inputs are highly sought and appreciated in advance!
> Thanks guys.  Mauro
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From sganz at pacbell.net  Fri Feb  5 21:20:44 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 20:20:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Looking for a water pump (and crank) pulley
In-Reply-To: <C7922E5F.C47%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
References: <C7922E5F.C47%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <405568.39285.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If don't care that its original Dale makes an aluminum one and can make them for later model balancers (4 bolt) as well. 

A stock tiger bar might not do much if badly mounted but will be better then just the windshield if you you 'sunny side down the car'. I have the 4 point bar in my car and it's not mounted all that great (PO) but for any track work I would run a bar forward and make sure it is solid. I will be doing that at some point, yet more stuff to do!

Sandy





----- Original Message ----
From: MAURO D'ANGELO <m_dangelo at verizon.net>
To: Tiger Talk List Tiger <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, February 5, 2010 5:21:51 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Looking for a water pump (and crank) pulley

OK, I've had zero luck so far in finding a crank pulley for my 289 engine
that will go into my Tiger some day.  Bummer.  What I did not realize was
that the pulley for the water pump was also specific for the Tiger (I
think).  Does anyone out there have a spare Tiger water pump and/or crank
pulley(s) to sell to me?  Please let me know.  Thanks.  Mauro
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From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Fri Feb  5 22:52:58 2010
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 00:52:58 EST
Subject: [Tigers] NOW WERE TALKING
Message-ID: <1e096.539d7934.389e5dba@aol.com>

Same owner for 22 years. Rotissere restoration completed in  1995 with 
limited miles since. Body & paint by Tiger Auto Service (Dayton  OH) and 289 
hi-po built by "Ohio" George Montgomery 
_http://www.georgesspeedshop.com/Ohio_Ge  ... t_OGM.html_ 
(http://www.georgesspeedshop.com/Ohio_George/Start_OGM.html) , the oldsest speed shop in the USA. Multiple  invitational Concours 
d'Elegance winner and winner of the Premier class at the  Dayton Concours 
d''Elegance in 2009 _http://www.daytonconcours.com/_ 
(http://www.daytonconcours.com/) .  TAC certified with most LAT options: 3:07 posi; LAT-70 wheels; LAT 
tachometer;  LAT hood; clock; hardtop. Price is $100,000 OBO. I can be 
reached at  937-427-8444 during business hours or e-mail me at 
_tigermaniac at sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:tigermaniac at sbcglobal.net)   for photos and your questions.
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Fri Feb  5 23:21:04 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:21:04 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] To roll bar or not to roll bar,
 that is the  question...
References: <C7921A0E.C41%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <7FF2A0EE53054027A560A1B3228E05F6@student2>

Mauro,

  I'm 6' tall. However, I'm long waisted and sitting I'm the height of 
someone 6'4".  I did opt to purchase a roll bar for my "someday it will be 
running Tiger."  My rational was there are only three things above the body 
of the car.  The flexible antenna, the fragile windshield and my head.

While the roll bar bolted to sheetmetal doesn't seem like the best option, 
properly reinforced it may someday offer the difference between a reverse 
Mohawk and decapitation.  Even if it provides a false sense of security that 
in and of itself adds to the enjoyment of driving the car. If with or 
without the bar I'm a dead man, well... the less to worry about the better - 
and that includes my wife.

  I did once roll a car in a ditch (my wife and my first date).  While that 
car didn't have a roll bar it was a 4 door with its added support for the 
rear doors.  The roof literally caved in inches across her face.  Thankfully 
neither of us was injured. While I had initially been driving too fast I did 
slow down considerably before the turn.  So..., you never know what can 
happen.

Here is So. Cal. my estimation is that I will rarely, if ever use the soft 
top. So interference between the bar and the cover panels is of minor 
concern.

Tom 

From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Fri Feb  5 23:45:04 2010
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:45:04 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Mark 1A Correct Soft Top?
In-Reply-To: <C7923E87.C4C%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
References: <C7923E87.C4C%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <D88353B1F9E342959D6069C4F9F7303B@BucksLaptop>

A whole lot more!

bt

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MAURO D'ANGELO" <m_dangelo at verizon.net>
To: "Stephen Waybright" <gswaybright at yahoo.com>; "Tiger Talk List Tiger" 
<tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mark 1A Correct Soft Top?


> Good news.  Does Dale's canvas top cost more than vinyl? Thanks.  Mauro

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sat Feb  6 02:06:45 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 20:06:45 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] To roll bar or not to roll bar,
 that is the  question...
In-Reply-To: <7FF2A0EE53054027A560A1B3228E05F6@student2>
References: <C7921A0E.C41%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
	<7FF2A0EE53054027A560A1B3228E05F6@student2>
Message-ID: <d86d088a1002060106x35a0ba1ds35a6c35f6cbf3730@mail.gmail.com>

The biggest issue i have witt the bars.. is they are likely to cause more
damage in rela life sitations. I'm 183cm tall.. so sit abobe the screen. I
have a CAT bar in the car.. and my head can touch the horizontla bar.. i
havent got it padded.. i figure im more liekly to get rear ended on the
street than roll it.. and if i get rear ended i am gogint o smack my head
into that bar.

On the plus side.. the roll bars to stiffen the hell out of the car.


-- 
Regards

Michael King

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sat Feb  6 02:10:00 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 20:10:00 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Mark 1A Correct Soft Top?
In-Reply-To: <D88353B1F9E342959D6069C4F9F7303B@BucksLaptop>
References: <C7923E87.C4C%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
	<D88353B1F9E342959D6069C4F9F7303B@BucksLaptop>
Message-ID: <d86d088a1002060110i1487a19ft1f090cce4f2b2e98@mail.gmail.com>

> Good news.  Does Dale's canvas top cost more than vinyl? Thanks.  Mauro
>>
>
The oringal Sunbeam tops are light grey on the inside and match the frames.
They are much nicer to drive in as the interiors are very dark at the best
of times with the roof up.. and the black insside does not help.

As for canvas/mohair tops.. i think they look great.. and i know the robbins
ones are not bad either a freind of mine has one blue with a tanish interior
colour.. good fit and light on the inside.. i would go wuth mohair/canvas if
originality is not the primary concern and try and get one with alight
interior colour.


-- 
Regards

Michael King

From chris at cthompson.net  Sat Feb  6 04:41:17 2010
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 07:41:17 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] To roll bar or not to roll bar,
 that is the   question...
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a1002060106x35a0ba1ds35a6c35f6cbf3730@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C7921A0E.C41%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
	<7FF2A0EE53054027A560A1B3228E05F6@student2>
	<d86d088a1002060106x35a0ba1ds35a6c35f6cbf3730@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B6D555D.70700@cthompson.net>

My car came with the Autopower 4 pt bar installed by the PO.  It seems 
to be a sturdy enough bar, and is mounted with steel reinforcing plates 
below the deck.  But I believe it is marketed as a "show bar", as in 
don't count on it to help any.

I drove the car to the track one day, and just for grins had tech 
inspection approve the car.  It wouldn't pass.  But the only problem was 
the *height* of the roll bar, not its construction.  With my helmet on, 
my head was higher than the roll bar.  Have a higher bar and of course 
you wouldn't be able to put up the top.....

michael king wrote:
> The biggest issue i have witt the bars.. is they are likely to cause more
> damage in rela life sitations. I'm 183cm tall.. so sit abobe the screen. I
> have a CAT bar in the car.. and my head can touch the horizontla bar.. i
> havent got it padded.. i figure im more liekly to get rear ended on the
> street than roll it.. and if i get rear ended i am gogint o smack my head
> into that bar.
>
> On the plus side.. the roll bars to stiffen the hell out of the car.

From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Sat Feb  6 05:31:31 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 07:31:31 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] To roll bar or not to roll bar,
 that is the   question...
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a1002060106x35a0ba1ds35a6c35f6cbf3730@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C792CB53.C67%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

Hi. In fact, my biggest concerns are focused on hitting my head on the
horizontal bar too since I'm 184cm tall, and that it would just fold forward
and do more damage to me than the street (or add damage anyway) would.  I
imagine it would act just like a mouse trap.  While rolling the car over is
not outside of the realm of possibilities, getting rear ended by some soccer
mom on the phone while choosing a DVD for her kids to watch is almost likely
in the Washington DC area.

I think I am going to remove my roll bar and keep it just in case I decide
to do anything on a track again.  I think I would choose my 1972 Porsche 911
non-sunroof coupe as a track car before the Tiger anyway.  To me, it's not
about pure power to weight ratio, HP and straight-line speed anyway.  Not
that that's all the Tiger provides, but the Porsche is a lot of fun in the
super-twisties. Mauro


On 2/6/10 4:06 AM, "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:

> The biggest issue i have witt the bars.. is they are likely to cause more
> damage in rela life sitations. I'm 183cm tall.. so sit abobe the screen. I
> have a CAT bar in the car.. and my head can touch the horizontla bar.. i
> havent got it padded.. i figure im more liekly to get rear ended on the
> street than roll it.. and if i get rear ended i am gogint o smack my head
> into that bar.
> 
> On the plus side.. the roll bars to stiffen the hell out of the car.

From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Sat Feb  6 05:37:14 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 07:37:14 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Mark 1A Correct Soft Top?
In-Reply-To: <D88353B1F9E342959D6069C4F9F7303B@BucksLaptop>
Message-ID: <C792CCAA.C6A%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

So, in terms of Vinyl, what came originally on the 1966 Mark 1A Tigers, some
kind of crush grain, or pinpoint?  Does anyone know?  Thanks.  Mauro


On 2/6/10 1:45 AM, "Buck Trippel" <BuckTrippel at Verizon.net> wrote:

> A whole lot more!
> 
> bt
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MAURO D'ANGELO" <m_dangelo at verizon.net>
> To: "Stephen Waybright" <gswaybright at yahoo.com>; "Tiger Talk List Tiger"
> <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 6:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mark 1A Correct Soft Top?
> 
> 
>> Good news.  Does Dale's canvas top cost more than vinyl? Thanks.  Mauro

From deiland1 at elp.rr.com  Sat Feb  6 08:19:38 2010
From: deiland1 at elp.rr.com (Dan Eiland)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 08:19:38 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer Repair Manual
Message-ID: <06ABDDE2D57C4F4D8581BA5FE3D49A29@owner95291b1f9>

I received this from another car list and felt it was worth sharing with 
those that might be interested.

This manual is available as a PDF file. A new 2004 update is in the works 
right now.

Smiths / Jaeger Speedometer Repair Manual in PDF format (1340K) (UPDATED 
12/02)

It is really informative and if nothing else helps to understand how our 
speedomters and tachs work even if you don't plan to rebuild your own 
instruments.

Dan Eiland

From deiland1 at elp.rr.com  Sat Feb  6 08:23:15 2010
From: deiland1 at elp.rr.com (Dan Eiland)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 08:23:15 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer Repair Manual
Message-ID: <459DD7210FA8470DBE5D35E982EFE0E6@owner95291b1f9>

Sorry that the hyperlink didn't transmit correctly. I'll try again:

http://home.comcast.net/~rhodes/speedo.html



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Eiland" <deiland1 at elp.rr.com>
To: "Texas Jensens" <TexasJensens at yahoogroups.com>; "Tiger List" 
<tigers at autox.team.net>; "Jensen List" <jensen-cars at british-steel.org>; 
"Alpine List" <alpines at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 8:19 AM
Subject: Speedometer Repair Manual


>I received this from another car list and felt it was worth sharing with 
>those that might be interested.
>
> This manual is available as a PDF file. A new 2004 update is in the works 
> right now.
>
> Smiths / Jaeger Speedometer Repair Manual in PDF format (1340K) (UPDATED 
> 12/02)
>
> It is really informative and if nothing else helps to understand how our 
> speedomters and tachs work even if you don't plan to rebuild your own 
> instruments.
>
> Dan Eiland

From Rollright at aol.com  Sat Feb  6 08:42:54 2010
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 10:42:54 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Tom Hall's address
Message-ID: <242d7.342cac6e.389ee7fe@aol.com>

Hello,
 
Can someone supply me with Tom Hall's address? I have to send him a part  
and there is no address on his website or phone number.
 
As soon as I get it, I'm on my way to the post office
 
 
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE

From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  6 10:02:13 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 09:02:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Mark 1A Correct Soft Top?
In-Reply-To: <C792CCAA.C6A%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20840.23583.qm@web111602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

My late MK Ia  B382002668  came with a black vinyl pinpoint 'hood'
with  black interior.  The hood fit great but the back window yellowed
so much you couldnot see out.  El cheapo me replaced the window
with a piece of plastic that I hand sewed in.  A few years I replaced
the hood with one I got from ACMO.  My original hood I gave to a fellow
owner who still uses it.  It's still black with black interior and my
window is still there.
 
Ken Bishop's original MK II with original hoodhas the same black
pinpoint vinyl hood and black interior. 
 
I think the hoods came in different colors.  The sales brochure lists
what hood came with what exterior color. Of course Rootes would
subsitute ir ordered.  So what's standard??  Who cares,  You
are supposed to be 'top down' anyway.
 
I've said this before on the list.  When ordering from AMCO Ihood I
discovered there are two different hoods for the velcro Tigers
(late MKIA and MKII) came with different hoods. I discovered, from
doing lots af research, Sunbeam changed the interior dimensions
for MK II and late MK IA.  They raised the steering wheel to provide
more thigh room.  They also raised the roof of the hood.  A simple fix 
except the earlier hood was now too short left to right.  Sure enough,
when AMCO sent me their top, I found it a perfect fit front to back,
but 1.5 inches short, left to right.  I called AMCO.  They said that had
a new number for MK II.  So I returned the hood and they sent the
other number Perfect left to right. 
 
On a hot sunny day, its a one man job.
 
So Mauro, if your MK IA is a late number, order the MK II top
otherwise the standard top.  Check the length left to right.
 
By the way:
The bloody colonials refer to hoods as tops.  A top is a toy.
The bonnet covers the engine, not hood.  Its a boot not trunk
Etc.
 
Dave
 

--- On Sat, 2/6/10, MAURO D'ANGELO <m_dangelo at verizon.net> wrote:


From: MAURO D'ANGELO <m_dangelo at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mark 1A Correct Soft Top?
To: "Tiger Talk List Tiger" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 12:37 PM


So, in terms of Vinyl, what came originally on the 1966 Mark 1A Tigers, some
kind of crush grain, or pinpoint?  Does anyone know?  Thanks.  Mauro


On 2/6/10 1:45 AM, "Buck Trippel" <BuckTrippel at Verizon.net> wrote:

> A whole lot more!
>
> bt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MAURO D'ANGELO" <m_dangelo at verizon.net>
> To: "Stephen Waybright" <gswaybright at yahoo.com>; "Tiger Talk List Tiger"
> <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 6:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mark 1A Correct Soft Top?
>
>
>> Good news.  Does Dale's canvas top cost more than vinyl? Thanks.  Mauro
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From bomber44 at comcast.net  Sat Feb  6 10:20:46 2010
From: bomber44 at comcast.net (Rob Guerra)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 09:20:46 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer Repair Manual
In-Reply-To: <459DD7210FA8470DBE5D35E982EFE0E6@owner95291b1f9>
References: <459DD7210FA8470DBE5D35E982EFE0E6@owner95291b1f9>
Message-ID: <D313717D-A7E6-4959-9CE8-5F651C5755FF@comcast.net>

that's a pretty cool guide.


On Feb 6, 2010, at 7:23 AM, Dan Eiland wrote:

> Sorry that the hyperlink didn't transmit correctly. I'll try again:
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~rhodes/speedo.html
>
>
>
>
>> I received this from another car list and felt it was worth sharing with
those that might be interested.
>>
>> This manual is available as a PDF file. A new 2004 update is in the works
right now.
>>
>> Smiths / Jaeger Speedometer Repair Manual in PDF format (1340K) (UPDATED
12/02)
>>
>> It is really informative and if nothing else helps to understand how our
speedomters and tachs work even if you don't plan to rebuild your own
instruments.

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Feb  6 11:15:32 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 13:15:32 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer Repair Manual
In-Reply-To: <459DD7210FA8470DBE5D35E982EFE0E6@owner95291b1f9>
Message-ID: <7BD8D178F1EA4BD1B4649D6C1BF62D0C@ronpc1>

Dan
	I totally agree.   I first found Anthony Rhodes' article in 2001 and
made a copy; I found an update to his article in 2006 and copied that
section.  Excellent reading and I shall have to check again for updates.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Dan Eiland
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 10:23 AM
To: Tiger List; Texas Jensens; Jensen List; Alpine List
Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer Repair Manual


Sorry that the hyperlink didn't transmit correctly. I'll try again:

http://home.comcast.net/~rhodes/speedo.html

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Feb  6 12:05:23 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 14:05:23 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Carb history question
Message-ID: <2A02AC32DBB34ED4A90A7187AB16E964@ronpc1>

The Rootes Parts List Pub #6601131 list 2 carbs; C4DZ-9510-A up to B9470592
and C4DZ-9510-C from B9470593.

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/4-CF-Carburetto
r.pdf

The exploded view shows both 63 & 64 carb parts.

Part #15,16,18,20, 21,22 and 22 are 62/63 parts for the accelerator pump;
this section was totally changed around April 1964

Part #48 choke rod is a 64 part and part #33 choke housing is a very early
64 part.


Question: What carb does "Up To B9470592" have?

If you have one of these Tigers with the original carb, I would like to know
the ID # of that Carb.

The ID # is either on the carb tag or on the base plate just in front of the
throttle linkage.

Thanks for listening

Ron Fraser

From gpointer at telusplanet.net  Sat Feb  6 12:30:09 2010
From: gpointer at telusplanet.net (Pointers)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 13:30:09 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] To roll bar or not to roll bar, that is the question...
References: <mailman.1030.1265438746.8558.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <71274A3E3D2B4CD39D15433968B54F4C@TIGERV8>

1. Aesthetics: In your opinion, what is the overall affect with the bar in?
In the few I have seen in pics (with the single bar), and which also applies
to MG's, etc., it makes the whole package look sportier.
2. Safety: Sunbeam Specialties clearly markets theirs as a "Show Bar".
However:
A. I was first smitten by Tigers about 40 years ago as a pre-teen. Found out
25 years later that owner indeed flipped his Tiger (walked away from the
incident).
B. Always in the back of our minds if/when a fulcrum pin might break (for
those who have not re-done them).
For those reasons, I suspect a show bar might offer some level of protection?
Maybe some initial impact relief before it folds? Sounds like yours has
forward bracing, offering a real level of protection.
3. Space: I used to put my kids on the "jump seats" and tool around the
neighborhood, staying off the busy streets (never got around to installing
rear seat belts as some have). They're too big now. So I have no concern about
cramping the rear space.
4. I have only used my tonneau cover once. What a pain to detach it from the
front pins.

For those reasons I have many times thought about acquiring/installing.

Reasons I have not:
1. I'm in Canada. Purchasing and shipping one would add up.
2. I'm in Canada. I've had to whip up the convertible top in a hurry more than
once. Haven't researched to ensure a show bar doesn't impeded the soft top or
hard top.
3. Keep thinking maybe I'll brave that tonneau cover again some day.

Curious about your response to the aesthetics q'n.

PS (Stephen W.: I hit Dale's site, but there's no Roll bar offered in the
parts list. Might not be offered any longer).

Gary.
(Presently packing to snowmobile for the day)!

From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Sat Feb  6 13:36:41 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:36:41 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Mediterranean Blue Tiger with a White Top?
In-Reply-To: <D313717D-A7E6-4959-9CE8-5F651C5755FF@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C7933D09.C9C%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

Has anyone ever seen a Mediterranean Blue Tiger with a white soft top
(hood)?  I need a top and am considering either this or black.  I wish I had
pictures to look at...  Thanks.  Mauro

From j_d_johnson at earthlink.net  Sat Feb  6 13:48:02 2010
From: j_d_johnson at earthlink.net (J D Johnson)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 12:48:02 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Mark 1A Correct Soft Top?
In-Reply-To: <20840.23583.qm@web111602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <C792CCAA.C6A%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
	<20840.23583.qm@web111602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E1NdrZb-0000oB-HO@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I can't speak for anyone else, but my buddy with an unrestored MK II 
has the pinpoint Everflex top:
http://tnb4gq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pQhxzPzWsJPEcrFBg8TKlkMedQZYK4aWls1KOjX0e37caTbf8kPU6ym3Qzu9k4srazSSWU5ZGzOs1u5SSFt-juMFtNBasAnIQ/MKII%20_Everflex-pinpoint.jpg

http://tnb4gq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p7wH2FfluHfamF4ENiOXxS1LpVxNJB0MoMJXy_8rJp3EC5P-rxZwiW7PFSO7eJJTPB_qDaB1Ik5pp0zInsRgLVXj6kgZrQ-Q8/MKII_Everflex-grey.jpg

JD

At 09:02 AM 2/6/2010, David T Johnson wrote:
>My late MK Ia  B382002668  came with a black vinyl pinpoint 'hood'
>with  black interior.  The hood fit great but the back window yellowed
>so much you couldnot see out.  El cheapo me replaced the window
>with a piece of plastic that I hand sewed in.  A few years I replaced
>the hood with one I got from ACMO.  My original hood I gave to a fellow
>owner who still uses it.  It's still black with black interior and my
>window is still there.
>
>Ken Bishop's original MK II with original hoodhas the same black
>pinpoint vinyl hood and black interior.
>
>I think the hoods came in different colors.  The sales brochure lists
>what hood came with what exterior color. Of course Rootes would
>subsitute ir ordered.  So what's standard??  Who cares,  You
>are supposed to be 'top down' anyway.
>
>I've said this before on the list.  When ordering from AMCO Ihood I
>discovered there are two different hoods for the velcro Tigers
>(late MKIA and MKII) came with different hoods. I discovered, from
>doing lots af research, Sunbeam changed the interior dimensions
>for MK II and late MK IA.  They raised the steering wheel to provide
>more thigh room.  They also raised the roof of the hood.  A simple fix
>except the earlier hood was now too short left to right.  Sure enough,
>when AMCO sent me their top, I found it a perfect fit front to back,
>but 1.5 inches short, left to right.  I called AMCO.  They said that had
>a new number for MK II.  So I returned the hood and they sent the
>other number Perfect left to right.
>
>On a hot sunny day, its a one man job.
>
>So Mauro, if your MK IA is a late number, order the MK II top
>otherwise the standard top.  Check the length left to right.

From mwood24020 at aol.com  Sat Feb  6 13:56:03 2010
From: mwood24020 at aol.com (mwood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:56:03 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] NOW WERE TALKING
In-Reply-To: <1e096.539d7934.389e5dba@aol.com>
References: <1e096.539d7934.389e5dba@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC7585EDA948D2-2120-1298B@webmail-m066.sysops.aol.com>

Good luck with that one...sounds like a really special car, but the
market is probably 60-70% of asking price...if that.

-----Original Message-----
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:52 am
Subject: [Tigers] NOW WERE TALKING

Same owner for 22 years. Rotissere restoration completed in  1995 with
limited miles since. Body & paint by Tiger Auto Service (Dayton  OH)
and 289
hi-po built by "Ohio" George Montgomery
_http://www.georgesspeedshop.com/Ohio_Ge  ... t_OGM.html_
(http://www.georgesspeedshop.com/Ohio_George/Start_OGM.html) , the
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d'Elegance winner and winner of the Premier class at the  Dayton
Concours
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(http://www.daytonconcours.com/) .  TAC certified with most LAT
options: 3:07 posi; LAT-70 wheels; LAT
tachometer;  LAT hood; clock; hardtop. Price is $100,000 OBO. I can be
reached at  937-427-8444 during business hours or e-mail me at
_tigermaniac at sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:tigermaniac at sbcglobal.net)   for
photos and your questions.
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From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net  Sat Feb  6 17:38:55 2010
From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:38:55 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Mediterranean Blue Tiger with a White Top?
In-Reply-To: <C7933D09.C9C%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
References: <D313717D-A7E6-4959-9CE8-5F651C5755FF@comcast.net>
	<C7933D09.C9C%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <0F66A204520244C3986B8E60CF18C1C1@ROSS>

Has anyone ever seen a Mediterranean Blue Tiger with a white soft top
(hood)?  I need a top and am considering either this or black.  I wish I had
pictures to look at...  Thanks.  Mauro

Here is a picture of a Commodore Blue car with a light tan top.

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of P1010033.JPG]

From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  6 18:45:40 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 17:45:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Mark 1A Correct Soft Top?
In-Reply-To: <C7936BAE.CC5%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <361177.45425.qm@web111613.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

According a Rootes Salesman I'm looking at right now
 
Colour Schemes
Carnival Red with Black Upholstery
Midnight Blue with Azure Blue Upholstery
Artic White with Black Upholdtery
Artic Whte with Red Upholstery
British Racing Green with Black Upholstery
Jet Black with Red Upholstery
Jet Black with Tan Upholstery
Mediterrianean Blue with Black Upholstery
 
Soft tops are black.
 
Of course these were just the official colours
 
I suspect other colours combinations were
dealer or non factory repaints such as the
Playboy Pick Tiger.
 
Optional Extras
(must be specified when ordering for car.)
Heater
Whitewall Tyres
Hardtop with matching Body Colour
 
Special Accessories unclude
Hard Top (Black)
Tonneau Cover
Cigar Lighter
Wheel Brace
Fire Extinguisher
etcs
 
Dave
 
 
 

From tsmit at shaw.ca  Sat Feb  6 20:34:55 2010
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:34:55 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] To roll bar or not to roll bar,
 that is the  question...
In-Reply-To: <71274A3E3D2B4CD39D15433968B54F4C@TIGERV8>
References: <mailman.1030.1265438746.8558.tigers@autox.team.net>
	<71274A3E3D2B4CD39D15433968B54F4C@TIGERV8>
Message-ID: <4B6E34DF.8070409@shaw.ca>

I had a local speed shop bend up a 1 3/4" x 0.120" wall piece of tubing 
to a template I cut out of cardboard, and I had them leave a bit of 
extra length on the legs. Then I took the hoop inside the car, with the 
top up, and I fit it so that the top corners of the main hoop just push 
out a little bit on the convertible top material. Instead of the 
standard rear stays that run to the inside rear edge of the parcel 
shelf, I ran the rear stays to the top inside of the rear wheel arches, 
which lets the stays be a little more horizontal to give more fore/aft 
bracing (not that it will hopefully ever be tested).

So my bar fits as high as it can go inside the convertible top, and 
since I'm not that tall I don't think that my head (even with helmet) 
sticks out above the bar, but many racing organizations mandate a 
minimum of 2" between a line drawn from the bar to the forward edge of 
the car (that would be the headlight rims on our cars) and I'm pretty 
sure I wouldn't have that much unless I made a very shallow seat to sit in.

Also note that drag racing organizations mandate that the rear stays 
have to be braced to the rear frame rails of the car, i.e. in the trunk. 
With our unibody design I think you could argue that the rear fenders 
are as rigid a mounting point as the rear frame rails, but you should 
never argue with a tech inspector so...

Theo

From gswaybright at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  6 20:48:01 2010
From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 19:48:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] To roll bar or not to roll bar,
 that is the  question...
In-Reply-To: <71274A3E3D2B4CD39D15433968B54F4C@TIGERV8>
References: <mailman.1030.1265438746.8558.tigers@autox.team.net>
	<71274A3E3D2B4CD39D15433968B54F4C@TIGERV8>
Message-ID: <753386.80546.qm@web31405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dale's roll bar is a custom fabricated and fitted item that is likely priced on a case by case basis and I'm not sure he'd even sell it as a stand alone item (vs having him install it at his shop).  He's never listed it on the web site, so a call to his shop would be required to get details. It won't be cheap, but you can't get anything better. 
 Stephen Waybright
www.linkedin.com/in/gswaybright



----- Original Message ----
From: Pointers <gpointer at telusplanet.net>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, February 6, 2010 2:30:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] To roll bar or not to roll bar, that is the question...

1. Aesthetics: In your opinion, what is the overall affect with the bar in?
In the few I have seen in pics (with the single bar), and which also applies
to MG's, etc., it makes the whole package look sportier.
2. Safety: Sunbeam Specialties clearly markets theirs as a "Show Bar".
However:
A. I was first smitten by Tigers about 40 years ago as a pre-teen. Found out
25 years later that owner indeed flipped his Tiger (walked away from the
incident).
B. Always in the back of our minds if/when a fulcrum pin might break (for
those who have not re-done them).
For those reasons, I suspect a show bar might offer some level of protection?
Maybe some initial impact relief before it folds? Sounds like yours has
forward bracing, offering a real level of protection.
3. Space: I used to put my kids on the "jump seats" and tool around the
neighborhood, staying off the busy streets (never got around to installing
rear seat belts as some have). They're too big now. So I have no concern about
cramping the rear space.
4. I have only used my tonneau cover once. What a pain to detach it from the
front pins.

For those reasons I have many times thought about acquiring/installing.

Reasons I have not:
1. I'm in Canada. Purchasing and shipping one would add up.
2. I'm in Canada. I've had to whip up the convertible top in a hurry more than
once. Haven't researched to ensure a show bar doesn't impeded the soft top or
hard top.
3. Keep thinking maybe I'll brave that tonneau cover again some day.

Curious about your response to the aesthetics q'n.

PS (Stephen W.: I hit Dale's site, but there's no Roll bar offered in the
parts list. Might not be offered any longer).

Gary.
(Presently packing to snowmobile for the day)!
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From gswaybright at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  6 20:56:26 2010
From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 19:56:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] NOW WERE TALKING
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Wow... $100k. Anyone temped by that please call me as I'll let me car got for $85k.

 Stephen Waybright



----- Original Message ----
From: "mwood24020 at aol.com" <mwood24020 at aol.com>
To: AAAGLASSS at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, February 6, 2010 3:56:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] NOW WERE TALKING

Good luck with that one...sounds like a really special car, but the
market is probably 60-70% of asking price...if that.

-----Original Message-----
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:52 am
Subject: [Tigers] NOW WERE TALKING

Same owner for 22 years. Rotissere restoration completed in  1995 with
limited miles since. Body & paint by Tiger Auto Service (Dayton  OH)
and 289
hi-po built by "Ohio" George Montgomery
_http://www.georgesspeedshop.com/Ohio_Ge  ... t_OGM.html_
(http://www.georgesspeedshop.com/Ohio_George/Start_OGM.html) , the
oldsest speed shop in the USA. Multiple  invitational Concours
d'Elegance winner and winner of the Premier class at the  Dayton
Concours
d''Elegance in 2009 _http://www.daytonconcours.com/_
(http://www.daytonconcours.com/) .  TAC certified with most LAT
options: 3:07 posi; LAT-70 wheels; LAT
tachometer;  LAT hood; clock; hardtop. Price is $100,000 OBO. I can be
reached at  937-427-8444 during business hours or e-mail me at
_tigermaniac at sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:tigermaniac at sbcglobal.net)   for
photos and your questions.
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From simer.frank at gmail.com  Sat Feb  6 21:36:58 2010
From: simer.frank at gmail.com (Frank Simer)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 22:36:58 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] To roll bar or not to roll bar,
 that is the  question...
In-Reply-To: <71274A3E3D2B4CD39D15433968B54F4C@TIGERV8>
References: <mailman.1030.1265438746.8558.tigers@autox.team.net>
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My car had an after market "sport bar" on it when I purchased it and the
stock top worked fine... I never got a tanneau cover for the car so I cannot
tell you if it was "modified" but I suspect it would have to have been.  I
am undecided if I am going to mount it or not butt do have a ways to go
before I make that decision
My advice on white tops is to avoid them as they get marred and scuffed each
time you drop the top... or hood for those driving on the wrist watch side
of the roads... I do like white tops the look when new however....if you go
that route get canvas and lots of white liquid shoe polish......
For those of you wanting a "sport bar" I also got one when I bought a
Jensen-Healey - I think it was sold by deltamotorsports I have it in another
shop than the Tiger's but I think they are very similar in size.... as the
two cars are nearly the same dimensions as well ..Good Luck

Frank
Minneapolis

On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Pointers <gpointer at telusplanet.net> wrote:

> 1. Aesthetics: In your opinion, what is the overall affect with the bar in?
> In the few I have seen in pics (with the single bar), and which also
> applies
> to MG's, etc., it makes the whole package look sportier.
> 2. Safety: Sunbeam Specialties clearly markets theirs as a "Show Bar".
> However:
> A. I was first smitten by Tigers about 40 years ago as a pre-teen. Found
> out
> 25 years later that owner indeed flipped his Tiger (walked away from the
> incident).
> B. Always in the back of our minds if/when a fulcrum pin might break (for
> those who have not re-done them).
> For those reasons, I suspect a show bar might offer some level of
> protection?
> Maybe some initial impact relief before it folds? Sounds like yours has
> forward bracing, offering a real level of protection.
> 3. Space: I used to put my kids on the "jump seats" and tool around the
> neighborhood, staying off the busy streets (never got around to installing
> rear seat belts as some have). They're too big now. So I have no concern
> about
> cramping the rear space.
> 4. I have only used my tonneau cover once. What a pain to detach it from
> the
> front pins.
>
> For those reasons I have many times thought about acquiring/installing.
>
> Reasons I have not:
> 1. I'm in Canada. Purchasing and shipping one would add up.
> 2. I'm in Canada. I've had to whip up the convertible top in a hurry more
> than
> once. Haven't researched to ensure a show bar doesn't impeded the soft top
> or
> hard top.
> 3. Keep thinking maybe I'll brave that tonneau cover again some day.
>
> Curious about your response to the aesthetics q'n.
>
> PS (Stephen W.: I hit Dale's site, but there's no Roll bar offered in the
> parts list. Might not be offered any longer).
>
> Gary.
> (Presently packing to snowmobile for the day)!
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From tiger at missiongranite.com  Sun Feb  7 07:26:06 2010
From: tiger at missiongranite.com (Alan Zeni)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 06:26:06 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Accelerator Cable linkage
Message-ID: <003301caa801$7c0f1f80$0200000a@wearezs.com>

I'm trying to get the old girl started soon and am dealing with the final
details.  I swapped out the 2BBL with an Edelbrock preformer and a 4BBL.
Now, the accelerator cable is a wee too short.  Is there a longer cable
available in tigerland or do I just need to visit the local dorman cabinet
and rig up some parts?

Thanks in advance........

From rande at thecia.net  Sun Feb  7 08:21:30 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 10:21:30 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Med Blue and White
Message-ID: <4b6eda7a.59c5.0@thecia.net>

This is not a picture of a white top on a Med Blue car, but the January 1996
issue of Thoroughbred & Classic Cars magazine has a picture of the factory car
at the 1965 Earls Court (London) auto show. It shows a Med Blue Tiger with white
interior, it's on page 76, and it should give you a fairly good idea of what
the color combination looks like together. The article is called Alpine and
Tiger -  Fins or Fangs.

The magazine is available usually all the time on either 
www.ebay.co.uk or  the US version ( www.ebay.com ).

Keep in mind that a white top takes a little more care to keep clean, but then,
you're going keep it folded all the time, RIGHT?.

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  7 09:28:58 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 08:28:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] NOW WERE TALKING
In-Reply-To: <776050.84669.qm@web31405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <951054.65375.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

We have to remember the orginal add was 100k or best offer. One of my best
friends would rather trade for anything as to buy it or sell an item. To
loosely quote him he says to be succesful a good trader always prices his
"item" for more than he wants, so the buyer/trader can jew (excuse the phrase)
him down. So maybe he is giving lots of room to talk him into taking less.
Steve your car is worthy of the high end on the price list but I doubt this
seller, who sells insurance, would insure any Tiger for 100k and I doubt 85k
is avaialbe as well. I do like seeing Tigers bring silly prices as I feel it
makes all our cars go up in value What I cant figure out is each week another
unknown Tiger appears. Maybe Norm knows they exist and us regular guys just
arent in the loop.
May everyone who likes football have a SUPER day.
TtT

--- On Sat, 2/6/10, Stephen Waybright <gswaybright at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Stephen Waybright <gswaybright at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] NOW WERE TALKING
To: mwood24020 at aol.com, AAAGLASSS at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 9:56 PM


Wow... $100k. Anyone temped by that please call me as I'll let me car got for
$85k.

Stephen Waybright



----- Original Message ----
From: "mwood24020 at aol.com" <mwood24020 at aol.com>
To: AAAGLASSS at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, February 6, 2010 3:56:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] NOW WERE TALKING

Good luck with that one...sounds like a really special car, but the
market is probably 60-70% of asking price...if that.

-----Original Message-----
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 12:52 am
Subject: [Tigers] NOW WERE TALKING

Same owner for 22 years. Rotissere restoration completed in  1995 with
limited miles since. Body & paint by Tiger Auto Service (Dayton  OH)
and 289
hi-po built by "Ohio" George Montgomery
_http://www.georgesspeedshop.com/Ohio_Ge  ... t_OGM.html_
(http://www.georgesspeedshop.com/Ohio_George/Start_OGM.html) , the
oldsest speed shop in the USA. Multiple  invitational Concours
d'Elegance winner and winner of the Premier class at the  Dayton
Concours
d''Elegance in 2009 _http://www.daytonconcours.com/_
(http://www.daytonconcours.com/) .  TAC certified with most LAT
options: 3:07 posi; LAT-70 wheels; LAT
tachometer;  LAT hood; clock; hardtop. Price is $100,000 OBO. I can be
reached at  937-427-8444 during business hours or e-mail me at
_tigermaniac at sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:tigermaniac at sbcglobal.net)   for
photos and your questions.
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  7 10:08:30 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 09:08:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Accelerator Cable linkage
In-Reply-To: <003301caa801$7c0f1f80$0200000a@wearezs.com>
Message-ID: <552475.50100.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My Mk1 has a piece or round pencil rod. It has all the bends and does away
with the cable It is an improvement although not orginal BUT I wont ever brake
a cable and have to rig up something to pull by hand in order to accelerate.
Years ago I used a cable from another Engliash car- I was working part time at
a place called "World Wide Imports"I bought my first Tiger from the owner- his
personal car. I dont recall what model car I robbed the cable from BUT I used
the stock housing and inserted a longer cable. I have a bike shop near my
house- IF I needed cable I would see him, as Im certain he has it on rolls- U
can sodder the ends to stop it from raveling if you choose but I think they
also have ends that slide on and then crimp. Just some thoughts.
TtT
--- On Sun, 2/7/10, Alan Zeni <tiger at missiongranite.com> wrote:


From: Alan Zeni <tiger at missiongranite.com>
Subject: [Tigers] Accelerator Cable linkage
To: "tiger" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 8:26 AM


I'm trying to get the old girl started soon and am dealing with the final
details.  I swapped out the 2BBL with an Edelbrock preformer and a 4BBL.
Now, the accelerator cable is a wee too short.  Is there a longer cable
available in tigerland or do I just need to visit the local dorman cabinet
and rig up some parts?

Thanks in advance........
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  7 10:25:58 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 09:25:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] To roll bar or not to roll bar,
 that is the   question...
In-Reply-To: <4B6E34DF.8070409@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <433586.17603.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tiger Tom made his roll bar so it pushes down inside itself to allow for the
fact the two tops(hard and soft) are at different elevations when on or up. I
dont remember how he kicked(braced) it but the fact it stayed where he pushed
it, up or down, impressed me.Im sure it was still as safe as possible, Tom is
pretty sharp and an engineer too IMS He also has the closest to  MK7 Lincoln
Sports Coupe in that it has everthing from cruise control, AC,electric windows
and the list goes on and on.OH- self leveling air ride too as he towed his
show Tiger- hook the trailer up, load the show Tiger and the pull Tiger
leveled out to orginal ride height- just like the Mk7 I had. Im not sure it
had electric defroster in the rear window BUT it wouldnt shock me..
TtT

--- On Sat, 2/6/10, Theo Smit <tsmit at shaw.ca> wrote:


From: Theo Smit <tsmit at shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] To roll bar or not to roll bar, that is the question...
To: "Pointers" <gpointer at telusplanet.net>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 9:34 PM


I had a local speed shop bend up a 1 3/4" x 0.120" wall piece of tubing to a
template I cut out of cardboard, and I had them leave a bit of extra length on
the legs. Then I took the hoop inside the car, with the top up, and I fit it
so that the top corners of the main hoop just push out a little bit on the
convertible top material. Instead of the standard rear stays that run to the
inside rear edge of the parcel shelf, I ran the rear stays to the top inside
of the rear wheel arches, which lets the stays be a little more horizontal to
give more fore/aft bracing (not that it will hopefully ever be tested).

So my bar fits as high as it can go inside the convertible top, and since I'm
not that tall I don't think that my head (even with helmet) sticks out above
the bar, but many racing organizations mandate a minimum of 2" between a line
drawn from the bar to the forward edge of the car (that would be the headlight
rims on our cars) and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have that much unless I made
a very shallow seat to sit in.

Also note that drag racing organizations mandate that the rear stays have to
be braced to the rear frame rails of the car, i.e. in the trunk. With our
unibody design I think you could argue that the rear fenders are as rigid a
mounting point as the rear frame rails, but you should never argue with a tech
inspector so...

Theo
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From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Sun Feb  7 11:53:01 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:53:01 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Accelerator Cable linkage
In-Reply-To: <003301caa801$7c0f1f80$0200000a@wearezs.com>
Message-ID: <C794763D.CFD%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

Hi.  I had the exact same problem.  The cure is to make the adjustment at
the pedal under the dash.  Give that a try.  I hope it works out to be
really easy.  Cheers.  Mauro


On 2/7/10 9:26 AM, "Alan Zeni" <tiger at missiongranite.com> wrote:

> I'm trying to get the old girl started soon and am dealing with the final
> details.  I swapped out the 2BBL with an Edelbrock preformer and a 4BBL.
> Now, the accelerator cable is a wee too short.  Is there a longer cable
> available in tigerland or do I just need to visit the local dorman cabinet
> and rig up some parts?
> 
> Thanks in advance........
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From bob_diehl at earthlink.net  Sun Feb  7 12:40:01 2010
From: bob_diehl at earthlink.net (Bob Diehl)
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:40:01 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Mediterranean Blue Tiger with a White Top?
In-Reply-To: <C7933D09.C9C%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
References: <D313717D-A7E6-4959-9CE8-5F651C5755FF@comcast.net>
	<C7933D09.C9C%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <E1NeCzJ-00048o-Bk@elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

This mockup isn't perfect, but should give you the idea:

http://r76prq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pplgiyAsaapff8QwxM53z7zphc3I19d1Y8FNPdnqrTwzQqk0XjrxP-S970UQG8zv7J27vQyFujARa_GlZsXmRjV4SZdhuH4b5/A1-800.jpg

bob_diehl

At 12:36 PM 2/6/2010, MAURO D'ANGELO wrote:
>Has anyone ever seen a Mediterranean Blue Tiger with a white soft top
>(hood)?  I need a top and am considering either this or black.  I wish I had
>pictures to look at...

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Sun Feb  7 13:31:38 2010
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (slaifman at socal.rr.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 20:31:38 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Accelerator Cable linkage
In-Reply-To: <552475.50100.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100207203138.3Z4IX.494286.root@hrndva-web19-z02>

Tony,

Mine snapped on a lightly traveled surface street, and I had to limp home at a "fast" idle.  Sunbeam Specialties carries a replacement, and it is the correct length stock manifold, as well as the Edelbrock F4B LAT manifold with the Holley 1850 4 BBL carb.


Steve



---- Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> My Mk1 has a piece or round pencil rod. It has all the bends and does away
> with the cable It is an improvement although not orginal BUT I wont ever brake
> a cable and have to rig up something to pull by hand in order to accelerate.
> Years ago I used a cable from another Engliash car- I was working part time at
> a place called "World Wide Imports"I bought my first Tiger from the owner- his
> personal car. I dont recall what model car I robbed the cable from BUT I used
> the stock housing and inserted a longer cable. I have a bike shop near my
> house- IF I needed cable I would see him, as Im certain he has it on rolls- U
> can sodder the ends to stop it from raveling if you choose but I think they
> also have ends that slide on and then crimp. Just some thoughts.
> TtT
> --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Alan Zeni <tiger at missiongranite.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Alan Zeni <tiger at missiongranite.com>
> Subject: [Tigers] Accelerator Cable linkage
> To: "tiger" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 8:26 AM
> 
> 
> I'm trying to get the old girl started soon and am dealing with the final
> details.  I swapped out the 2BBL with an Edelbrock preformer and a 4BBL.
> Now, the accelerator cable is a wee too short.  Is there a longer cable
> available in tigerland or do I just need to visit the local dorman cabinet
> and rig up some parts?
> 
> Thanks in advance........

From cars at wt-inc.com  Sun Feb  7 14:45:30 2010
From: cars at wt-inc.com (Lynn Wall)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 14:45:30 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] To roll bar or not to roll bar,
 that is the    question...
In-Reply-To: <433586.17603.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4B6E34DF.8070409@shaw.ca>
	<433586.17603.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601caa83e$df33c0b0$9d9b4210$@com>

I think it was Steve Alcala who made the neatest roll bar I have seen.  Two
hoops that were adjustable.  They could raise it or lower it, easily I might
add, depending on the top or use.  The "base" had to be perfectly parallel
and Steve said it was pretty tough to get it to stay that way through the
welding process.  Consequently when I asked if he would like to do another
one he seemed pretty hesitant.  For race purposes I think you could add a
section of pipe to take up the space between the hoop and the base (inside
the tube).  I was told that would make it compliant but I don't know that.
Others on the list would know better than me.

Anyone that has seen Steve's work knows he is a true craftsman.

Good luck, Lynn 

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Tony Somebody
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 10:26 AM
To: Pointers; Theo Smit
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] To roll bar or not to roll bar, that is the
question...

Tiger Tom made his roll bar so it pushes down inside itself to allow for the
fact the two tops(hard and soft) are at different elevations when on or up.
I
dont remember how he kicked(braced) it but the fact it stayed where he
pushed
it, up or down, impressed me.Im sure it was still as safe as possible, Tom
is
pretty sharp and an engineer too IMS He also has the closest to  MK7 Lincoln
Sports Coupe in that it has everthing from cruise control, AC,electric
windows
and the list goes on and on.OH- self leveling air ride too as he towed his
show Tiger- hook the trailer up, load the show Tiger and the pull Tiger
leveled out to orginal ride height- just like the Mk7 I had. Im not sure it
had electric defroster in the rear window BUT it wouldnt shock me..
TtT

--- On Sat, 2/6/10, Theo Smit <tsmit at shaw.ca> wrote:


From: Theo Smit <tsmit at shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] To roll bar or not to roll bar, that is the
question...
To: "Pointers" <gpointer at telusplanet.net>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 9:34 PM


I had a local speed shop bend up a 1 3/4" x 0.120" wall piece of tubing to a
template I cut out of cardboard, and I had them leave a bit of extra length
on
the legs. Then I took the hoop inside the car, with the top up, and I fit it
so that the top corners of the main hoop just push out a little bit on the
convertible top material. Instead of the standard rear stays that run to the
inside rear edge of the parcel shelf, I ran the rear stays to the top inside
of the rear wheel arches, which lets the stays be a little more horizontal
to
give more fore/aft bracing (not that it will hopefully ever be tested).

So my bar fits as high as it can go inside the convertible top, and since
I'm
not that tall I don't think that my head (even with helmet) sticks out above
the bar, but many racing organizations mandate a minimum of 2" between a
line
drawn from the bar to the forward edge of the car (that would be the
headlight
rims on our cars) and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have that much unless I
made
a very shallow seat to sit in.

Also note that drag racing organizations mandate that the rear stays have to
be braced to the rear frame rails of the car, i.e. in the trunk. With our
unibody design I think you could argue that the rear fenders are as rigid a
mounting point as the rear frame rails, but you should never argue with a
tech
inspector so...

Theo
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From cars at wt-inc.com  Sun Feb  7 14:51:55 2010
From: cars at wt-inc.com (Lynn Wall)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 14:51:55 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Mediterranean Blue Tiger with a White Top?
In-Reply-To: <0F66A204520244C3986B8E60CF18C1C1@ROSS>
References: <D313717D-A7E6-4959-9CE8-5F651C5755FF@comcast.net>
	<C7933D09.C9C%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
	<0F66A204520244C3986B8E60CF18C1C1@ROSS>
Message-ID: <000701caa83f$c490a420$4db1ec60$@com>

I have one of Dales tops and they are completely worth it.  In fact it looks
so good I am reluctant to put it down.  Avoid the light colors because they
get dirty REALLY quick.  Rain storms will make the leading edge dirty
immediately, putting it up and down will take a toll, birds, dirty hands,
EVERYTHING.......  I have had one and it did not look good for very long.

Anyway, back to Dales tops.  His guy is about 100 years old (maybe 70-80).
He is an old hot rodder and does GREAT work.  When he did my top he was the
guy that did all the Mercedes benzs work.  He has a big inventory of
different types of materials.  The thing I like best about my top is the
large rear window, bigger than stock and adds a lot of light to the interior
and makes looking in the rear view much easier.

Finally the fit and finish is top notch, no wrinkles around the corners etc.

Good luck,

Lynn

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Ross
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 5:39 PM
To: 'MAURO D'ANGELO'; 'Tiger List'
Cc: 'Alpine List'; 'Texas Jensens'; 'Jensen List'
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mediterranean Blue Tiger with a White Top?

Has anyone ever seen a Mediterranean Blue Tiger with a white soft top
(hood)?  I need a top and am considering either this or black.  I wish I had
pictures to look at...  Thanks.  Mauro

Here is a picture of a Commodore Blue car with a light tan top.

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of
P1010033.JPG]
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From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Sun Feb  7 14:54:57 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 16:54:57 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Mediterranean Blue Tiger with a White Top?
In-Reply-To: <000701caa83f$c490a420$4db1ec60$@com>
Message-ID: <C794A0E1.D0E%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

How much are Dale's tops?


On 2/7/10 4:51 PM, "Lynn Wall" <cars at wt-inc.com> wrote:

> I have one of Dales tops and they are completely worth it.  In fact it looks
> so good I am reluctant to put it down.  Avoid the light colors because they
> get dirty REALLY quick.  Rain storms will make the leading edge dirty
> immediately, putting it up and down will take a toll, birds, dirty hands,
> EVERYTHING.......  I have had one and it did not look good for very long.
> 
> Anyway, back to Dales tops.  His guy is about 100 years old (maybe 70-80).
> He is an old hot rodder and does GREAT work.  When he did my top he was the
> guy that did all the Mercedes benzs work.  He has a big inventory of
> different types of materials.  The thing I like best about my top is the
> large rear window, bigger than stock and adds a lot of light to the interior
> and makes looking in the rear view much easier.
> 
> Finally the fit and finish is top notch, no wrinkles around the corners etc.
> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Lynn
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Ross
> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 5:39 PM
> To: 'MAURO D'ANGELO'; 'Tiger List'
> Cc: 'Alpine List'; 'Texas Jensens'; 'Jensen List'
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mediterranean Blue Tiger with a White Top?
> 
> Has anyone ever seen a Mediterranean Blue Tiger with a white soft top
> (hood)?  I need a top and am considering either this or black.  I wish I had
> pictures to look at...  Thanks.  Mauro
> 
> Here is a picture of a Commodore Blue car with a light tan top.
> 
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of
> P1010033.JPG]
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From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  7 15:00:56 2010
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 14:00:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Accelerator Cable linkage
In-Reply-To: <552475.50100.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <227293.30971.qm@web111602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

There is an old tech tip somewhere that said motor cycle shops carry
wire cables and can make them to length.  Try there.
 
The Holley 600 on my F4B fits great.  The accelerator cables was
to short too.  So I found a hole on the linakage that worked the throttle
but was too small. I enlarged the hole with a drill.  The cable fit
perfectly.  Even room for the little cotter key. 
 
 
 
Worldwide went out of business in 1984.  A Parts Supplier in Wisconsin
bought everything he had at a cheap price.
 
Ratty old place stocked with NOS parts.  Not so much Tiger Just Rootes. 
There was a new Lucas battery on the shelf.  Never used and came with
acid to activate it. The last place in Chicago that you could get NOS parts.
 
I once discovered a small box of NOS ignition keys that said ROOTES
on one side.  Some had Chrylser penastars on the other.  I bought
20 on consignment and took them to the Toronto United.  I was
asking my cost $10 a key.  I sold two.  Uncle Wally said 'These
people don't know what the're looking at'.  I gave Wally two and
returned the rest.  A few years later everything went to Wisconsin.
I tried to get the keys but they couldn't be found.  They are probably
being used on a snowblower now.

--- On Sun, 2/7/10, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Accelerator Cable linkage
To: "Alan Zeni" <tiger at missiongranite.com>
Cc: "Beamclub" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 5:08 PM


My Mk1 has a piece or round pencil rod. It has all the bends and does away
with the cable It is an improvement although not orginal BUT I wont ever
brake
a cable and have to rig up something to pull by hand in order to accelerate.
Years ago I used a cable from another Engliash car- I was working part time
at
a place called "World Wide Imports"I bought my first Tiger from the owner-
his
personal car. I dont recall what model car I robbed the cable from BUT I used
the stock housing and inserted a longer cable. I have a bike shop near my
house- IF I needed cable I would see him, as Im certain he has it on rolls- U
can sodder the ends to stop it from raveling if you choose but I think they
also have ends that slide on and then crimp. Just some thoughts.
TtT
--- On Sun, 2/7/10, Alan Zeni <tiger at missiongranite.com> wrote:


From: Alan Zeni <tiger at missiongranite.com>
Subject: [Tigers] Accelerator Cable linkage
To: "tiger" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 8:26 AM


I'm trying to get the old girl started soon and am dealing with the final
details.  I swapped out the 2BBL with an Edelbrock preformer and a 4BBL.
Now, the accelerator cable is a wee too short.  Is there a longer cable
available in tigerland or do I just need to visit the local dorman cabinet
and rig up some parts?

Thanks in advance........
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From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Sun Feb  7 15:48:24 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 17:48:24 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Mediterranean Blue Tiger with a White Top?
In-Reply-To: <E1NeCzJ-00048o-Bk@elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <C794AD68.D1E%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

I know that car!  It's actually black, right?  How the heck did you do that?
Just to get the Mediterranean blue color right must have been a trick!  TI
have decided to go ahead and do the white top and tonneau.  What the heck,
it can be changed if I decide I don't like it down the road.  Old Corvettes
had this color combination, so it should look period correct and quite nice.
Thanks.  Mauro


On 2/7/10 2:40 PM, "Bob Diehl" <bob_diehl at earthlink.net> wrote:

> This mockup isn't perfect, but should give you the idea:
> 
> http://r76prq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pplgiyAsaapff8QwxM53z7zphc3I19d1Y8FNPdnq
> rTwzQqk0XjrxP-S970UQG8zv7J27vQyFujARa_GlZsXmRjV4SZdhuH4b5/A1-800.jpg
> 
> bob_diehl
> 
> At 12:36 PM 2/6/2010, MAURO D'ANGELO wrote:
>> Has anyone ever seen a Mediterranean Blue Tiger with a white soft top
>> (hood)?  I need a top and am considering either this or black.  I wish I had
>> pictures to look at...
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  7 18:20:15 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 17:20:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Accelerator Cable linkage
In-Reply-To: <227293.30971.qm@web111602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <308636.55907.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dave- this World Wide Imports was a used car lot and did repairs on forign
cars and he preferred to sell and work on English cars- in southern IL. No
relationship to the W W Imports you knew.
TtT

--- On Sun, 2/7/10, David T Johnson <djoh797014 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: David T Johnson <djoh797014 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Accelerator Cable linkage
To: "Alan Zeni" <tiger at missiongranite.com>, "Tony Somebody"
<achd73 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Beamclub" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 4:00 PM







There is an old tech tip somewhere that said motor cycle shops carry
wire cables and can make them to length.  Try there.
 
The Holley 600 on my F4B fits great.  The accelerator cables was
to short too.  So I found a hole on the linakage that worked the throttle
but was too small. I enlarged the hole with a drill.  The cable fit
perfectly.  Even room for the little cotter key. 
 
 
 
Worldwide went out of business in 1984.  A Parts Supplier in Wisconsin
bought everything he had at a cheap price.
 
Ratty old place stocked with NOS parts.  Not so much Tiger Just Rootes. 
There was a new Lucas battery on the shelf.  Never used and came with
acid to activate it. The last place in Chicago that you could get NOS parts.
 
I once discovered a small box of NOS ignition keys that said ROOTES
on one side.  Some had Chrylser penastars on the other.  I bought
20 on consignment and took them to the Toronto United.  I was
asking my cost $10 a key.  I sold two.  Uncle Wally said 'These
people don't know what the're looking at'.  I gave Wally two and
returned the rest.  A few years later everything went to Wisconsin.
I tried to get the keys but they couldn't be found.  They are probably
being used on a snowblower now.

--- On Sun, 2/7/10, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Accelerator Cable linkage
To: "Alan Zeni" <tiger at missiongranite.com>
Cc: "Beamclub" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 5:08 PM


My Mk1 has a piece or round pencil rod. It has all the bends and does away
with the cable It is an improvement although not orginal BUT I wont ever
brake
a cable and have to rig up something to pull by hand in order to accelerate.
Years ago I used a cable from another Engliash car- I was working part time
at
a place called "World Wide Imports"I bought my first Tiger from the owner-
his
personal car. I dont recall what model car I robbed the cable from BUT I used
the stock housing and inserted a longer cable. I have a bike shop near my
house- IF I needed cable I would see him, as Im certain he has it on rolls- U
can sodder the ends to stop it from raveling if you choose but I think they
also have ends that slide on and then crimp. Just some thoughts.
TtT
--- On Sun, 2/7/10, Alan Zeni <tiger at missiongranite.com> wrote:


From: Alan Zeni <tiger at missiongranite.com>
Subject: [Tigers] Accelerator Cable linkage
To: "tiger" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 8:26 AM


I'm trying to get the old girl started soon and am dealing with the final
details.  I swapped out the 2BBL with an Edelbrock preformer and a 4BBL.
Now, the accelerator cable is a wee too short.  Is there a longer cable
available in tigerland or do I just need to visit the local dorman cabinet
and rig up some parts?

Thanks in advance........
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From jteepen at usatoday.com  Sun Feb  7 20:53:24 2010
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 22:53:24 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Accelerator Cable linkage
In-Reply-To: <003301caa801$7c0f1f80$0200000a@wearezs.com>
References: <003301caa801$7c0f1f80$0200000a@wearezs.com>
Message-ID: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E155441F2E8118@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>

Sunbeam Specialties sells the correct longer cable, or they used to sell it.
I have not needed one for a long time.  Give them a call.

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Alan Zeni
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 6:26 AM
To: tiger
Subject: [Tigers] Accelerator Cable linkage

I'm trying to get the old girl started soon and am dealing with the final
details.  I swapped out the 2BBL with an Edelbrock preformer and a 4BBL.
Now, the accelerator cable is a wee too short.  Is there a longer cable
available in tigerland or do I just need to visit the local dorman cabinet
and rig up some parts?

Thanks in advance........

From mark.rense at ge.com  Mon Feb  8 09:49:42 2010
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd))
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 11:49:42 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Mediterranean Blue Tiger with a White Top?
In-Reply-To: <C794AD68.D1E%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
References: <E1NeCzJ-00048o-Bk@elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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Message-ID: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A02019132@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Mauro,
I am send you two pictures of my black Tiger with a white top, although
the group cannot see them. These were from about eight years ago before
I repainted the car and removed the racing stripe. The car is still
black and the top is still white. I use a mild Clorox/detergent mixture
followed by a vinyl protectant and it continues to look good.

Bugz

-----Original Message-----
From: MAURO D'ANGELO
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 5:48 PM
To: Bob Diehl; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mediterranean Blue Tiger with a White Top?

I know that car!  It's actually black, right?  How the heck did you do
that?
Just to get the Mediterranean blue color right must have been a trick!
TI have decided to go ahead and do the white top and tonneau.  What the
heck, it can be changed if I decide I don't like it down the road.  Old
Corvettes had this color combination, so it should look period correct
and quite nice.
Thanks.  Mauro

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 119-1977_IMG.jpg]

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 119-1976_IMG.jpg]

From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Mon Feb  8 17:04:40 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:04:40 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Is this a Bogus Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <227293.30971.qm@web111602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C79610C8.D63%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

I am wondering if anyone else thinks this car currently on eBay might be a
bogus Tiger.  It's hard to tell at a distance, but this one's just strange
to me.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-1965-sunbeam-tiger-texas-no-rust_
W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1c1007a8e9QQitemZ120528021737QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTru
cks#ht_500wt_1182

Check out little details, like the lack of JAL and Vin plates, the Alpine
steering wheel, the side trim (or lack thereof), the funky exhaust, the 1968
Jaguar XKE clock, the wooden dash, the dash pad, etc.  Am I wrong?

Mauro

From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Mon Feb  8 19:27:48 2010
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:27:48 EST
Subject: [Tigers] 120528021737
Message-ID: <1e166.6db435ae.38a22224@aol.com>

On E-Pay doesn't look to bad.

From spook01 at comcast.net  Mon Feb  8 19:56:01 2010
From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01 at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 02:56:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Is this a Bogus Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <C79610C8.D63%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <1035186063.1505381265684161461.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

all that stuff unscrews.B  the body is the correct configuration.B  if you
took 15 tigers and looked at them, there would be 10 types of exhaust.



----- Original Message -----
From: "MAURO D'ANGELO" <m_dangelo at verizon.net>
To: "Beamclub" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2010 6:04:40 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Tigers] Is this a Bogus Tiger?

I am wondering if anyone else thinks this car currently on eBay might be a
bogus Tiger. B It's hard to tell at a distance, but this one's just strange
to me.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-1965-sunbeam-tiger-texas-no-rust_
W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1c1007a8e9QQitemZ120528021737QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTru
cks#ht_500wt_1182

Check out little details, like the lack of JAL and Vin plates, the Alpine
steering wheel, the side trim (or lack thereof), the funky exhaust, the 1968
Jaguar XKE clock, the wooden dash, the dash pad, etc. B Am I wrong?

Mauro
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 19:59:51 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:59:51 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Is this a Bogus Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <C79610C8.D63%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
References: <227293.30971.qm@web111602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<C79610C8.D63%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
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the car was on ebay about 12 monts back.. lots of detail issues were
discussed.

On 9 February 2010 11:04, MAURO D'ANGELO <m_dangelo at verizon.net> wrote:

> I am wondering if anyone else thinks this car currently on eBay might be a
> bogus Tiger.  It's hard to tell at a distance, but this one's just strange
> to me.
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-1965-sunbeam-tiger-texas-no-rust_
>
> W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1c1007a8e9QQitemZ120528021737QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTru
> cks#ht_500wt_1182
>
> Check out little details, like the lack of JAL and Vin plates, the Alpine
> steering wheel, the side trim (or lack thereof), the funky exhaust, the
> 1968
> Jaguar XKE clock, the wooden dash, the dash pad, etc.  Am I wrong?
>
> Mauro
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From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Mon Feb  8 20:29:48 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:29:48 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Is this a Bogus Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <1035186063.1505381265684161461.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C79640DC.D75%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

Sorry.  What does, 3the body is the correct configuration2 mean?  The Alpine
also has a correct body  configuration!  :-)  I think anything can be added
or removed to an Alpine body to 3make it a Tiger2.  I guess the question is
whether it was done in the factory.   My gut feeling (nothing else) is that
I would at least be cautious with this one.  Forget the exhaust.  With no
VIN tag, no JAL tag, badge issues, so much sheet metal replaced to include
the trunk floor, badge issues, and with Alpine specific parts in the car,
I9d certainly look very carefully at Tiger specific spots to be sure.  I9m
asking, for example, why put an Alpine steering wheel in if the wooden Tiger
were no good?  I mean, why go from flimsy to flimsy?  it would seems more
3normal2 to have a Momo, Nardi, or Motolita in it, especially if the guy
intended to track it.  Just seems odd to me, that9s all.  It9s just my own
opinion.  Everyone9s got one!  This may be a Tiger, I don9t know.  I was
just hoping to hear what others think.  Cheers.


On 2/8/10 9:56 PM, "spook01 at comcast.net" <spook01 at comcast.net> wrote:

> all that stuff unscrews.  the body is the correct configuration.  if you
took
> 15 tigers and looked at them, there would be 10 types of exhaust.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MAURO D'ANGELO" <m_dangelo at verizon.net>
> To: "Beamclub" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2010 6:04:40 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: [Tigers] Is this a Bogus Tiger?
>
> I am wondering if anyone else thinks this car currently on eBay might be a
> bogus Tiger.  It's hard to tell at a distance, but this one's just strange
> to me.
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-1965-sunbeam-tiger-texas-no-rust_
>
W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1c1007a8e9QQitemZ120528021737QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTru
> cks#ht_500wt_1182
>
> Check out little details, like the lack of JAL and Vin plates, the Alpine
> steering wheel, the side trim (or lack thereof), the funky exhaust, the
1968
> Jaguar XKE clock, the wooden dash, the dash pad, etc.  Am I wrong?
>
> Mauro
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Feb  8 20:36:28 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 21:36:28 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Is this a Bogus Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <C79610C8.D63%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
References: <227293.30971.qm@web111602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Mauro,
I think Norm will chime in if the VIN listed by the seller is known to be
attached to a conversion.
Other than that I think you're just looking at a Tiger that was refurbished
using stuff that the PO had on hand, and it would be prudent to have the car
inspected not just for authenticity but also verification of mechanical and
body integrity. The seller indicates that the car had "a lot of panels
replaced" while simultaneously listing it as a rust-free Texas car.

Based on the seller's description he's probably got a reserve of 15 or 16k on
it. If it's a real Tiger and it is structurally good then that could be a fair
price, if the Dale's front end, brakes, and driveline are all in good shape.
It's got a busted distributor cap though... not a good sign.

Theo



> -----Original Message-----
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> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO
> Sent: February 8, 2010 5:05 PM
> To: Beamclub
> Subject: [Tigers] Is this a Bogus Tiger?
>
> I am wondering if anyone else thinks this car currently on eBay might
> be a
> bogus Tiger.  It's hard to tell at a distance, but this one's just
> strange
> to me.


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From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Mon Feb  8 20:50:49 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:50:49 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Is this a Bogus Tiger?
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Theo,  

I agree.  Prudence is what I want to suggest, and if Norm were to reference
the listed VIN with a conversion, he would likely say something.  As I said,
this may be a Tiger, I don't know.  It's just that lots of things about it
and the seller "bother" me.  You mentioned one of them, that it's a rust
free Texas car with lots of panels replaced.  Also, the seller does not
answer any questions directly; instead, he asks questions in response to
questions. 

Speaking of Dale's front end, what exactly is that and how much does it
cost?  He mentioned to me a very elaborate modification at the tune of
several thousand dollars (well beyond my reach).  Thanks.  Mauro


On 2/8/10 10:36 PM, "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:

> Mauro,
> I think Norm will chime in if the VIN listed by the seller is known to be
> attached to a conversion.
> Other than that I think you're just looking at a Tiger that was refurbished
> using stuff that the PO had on hand, and it would be prudent to have the car
> inspected not just for authenticity but also verification of mechanical and
> body integrity. The seller indicates that the car had "a lot of panels
> replaced" while simultaneously listing it as a rust-free Texas car.
> 
> Based on the seller's description he's probably got a reserve of 15 or 16k on
> it. If it's a real Tiger and it is structurally good then that could be a fair
> price, if the Dale's front end, brakes, and driveline are all in good shape.
> It's got a busted distributor cap though... not a good sign.
> 
> Theo
> 
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
>> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO
>> Sent: February 8, 2010 5:05 PM
>> To: Beamclub
>> Subject: [Tigers] Is this a Bogus Tiger?
>> 
>> I am wondering if anyone else thinks this car currently on eBay might
>> be a
>> bogus Tiger.  It's hard to tell at a distance, but this one's just
>> strange
>> to me.
> 
> 
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Feb  8 21:02:02 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 22:02:02 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Is this a Bogus Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <C79645C9.D7A%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
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Dale has made heavy-duty front lower fulcrum pins and matching bushings for
quite a while, as well as several generations of four-wheel disc brake kits.
The fulcrum pins price out at several hundred dollars if I recall, and they
bolt onto an otherwise stock front end. I would guess that this is what the
Tiger in question might have.

Dale has also recently built up several complete replacement front
crossmembers with fully adjustable control arms, coil-over shocks, relocated
rack, etc. and this is likely what you got the quote on. It's currently the
"ne plus ultra" of over-the-counter Tiger front suspension improvement. I'm
not forgetting Mike Hokanson's front end here... I don't know if it's on the
market right now.

Theo


> -----Original Message-----
> From: MAURO D'ANGELO [mailto:m_dangelo at verizon.net]
> Sent: February 8, 2010 8:51 PM
> To: Smit, Theo; Beamclub
> Subject: Re: Is this a Bogus Tiger?
>
> Theo,
>
<snip>
> Speaking of Dale's front end, what exactly is that and how much does it
> cost?  He mentioned to me a very elaborate modification at the tune of
> several thousand dollars (well beyond my reach).  Thanks.  Mauro
>
>
> On 2/8/10 10:36 PM, "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:
>
> > Mauro,
> > I think Norm will chime in if the VIN listed by the seller is known
> to be
> > attached to a conversion.
> > Other than that I think you're just looking at a Tiger that was
> refurbished
> > using stuff that the PO had on hand, and it would be prudent to have
> the car
> > inspected not just for authenticity but also verification of
> mechanical and
> > body integrity. The seller indicates that the car had "a lot of
> panels
> > replaced" while simultaneously listing it as a rust-free Texas car.
> >
> > Based on the seller's description he's probably got a reserve of 15
> or 16k on
> > it. If it's a real Tiger and it is structurally good then that could
> be a fair
> > price, if the Dale's front end, brakes, and driveline are all in good
> shape.
> > It's got a busted distributor cap though... not a good sign.
> >
> > Theo
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> >> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO
> >> Sent: February 8, 2010 5:05 PM
> >> To: Beamclub
> >> Subject: [Tigers] Is this a Bogus Tiger?
> >>
> >> I am wondering if anyone else thinks this car currently on eBay
> might
> >> be a
> >> bogus Tiger.  It's hard to tell at a distance, but this one's just
> >> strange
> >> to me.
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Mon Feb  8 22:31:39 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:31:39 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Is this a Bogus Tiger?
References: <C79640DC.D75%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <A4E032C8AE7B4853972D4227618F39A8@student2>

With the available pictures the only Tiger specific parts I see are the 
inner fender brace attachments and the external radiator tank. I'll throw 
part of the steering column & mount in there too.  The brace attachments are 
Tiger, not Alpine.  The tank does not appear to be clamped as a Tiger 
retains the tank. The other elements you mention are irrelevant to 
confirming it not being a true Tiger.

This neither proves nor disproves the heritage.  Likely this owner/seller??? 
got a hold of the car and is trying to get their money out of it with the 
least effort.  At least to me the ad reads that way.
Tom 

From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Tue Feb  9 06:03:05 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:03:05 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Is this a Bogus Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <A4E032C8AE7B4853972D4227618F39A8@student2>
Message-ID: <C796C739.D87%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

Hi Tom.  I agree with you.  I am very aware of what makes a Tiger a Tiger.
I spend so much time with mine that I know it in a very intimate way.  I
want to be clear that I am not at all arguing that this is an Alger and/or
that the owner is dishonest.  Why would I?  I also agree that it is very
true that each singular element I mentioned neither proves nor disproves
anything.  Very little can be seen, anyway.

I do see the braces in the front, but because it's not very hard to weld in
entire inner front fenders while you're in there welding in all the other
new panels (a set of these was recently sold on eBay), it doesn't mean much
to me.  I'd like to see the welds in person.  It's funny to me that the
braces are a different color than everything else and that their attachment
bolts have been changed, which may indicate someone mucked around right
there.  I see expansion tanks sell often.  I also see water bottles sell
often.  So these are easily obtained and mean little to nothing to me.  It
does, though, seems odd to me that they seem improperly secured.  BTW, is
that where your coil is mounted? The shifter, though, is definitely cool.

I ask myself, if this is a rust free Texas car, why would they have done a
complete mud job on it, making the side trim and badge points disappear?
Maybe they did a lot of welding...but why would anyone do that?  If the
owner says it is rust free and he's honest, then, to me, he must not detect
any Bondo on the car, right?  If that's true, then maybe this is a rebody
using an Alpine donor body and the guy just does not know that.  That might
explain the lack of side trim and Bondo to me.  Dunno.  Again, I don't know
anything about this car or its owner.  I'm just asking questions.

Unfortunately for me, I am an analyst, so, to me it's the the combination of
the various elements, plus the owner's answers-not-answers that make me
simply suggest a healthy level of prudence. Prudence can't be bad.  I hope.


On 2/9/10 12:31 AM, "Thomas Witt" <atwittsend at verizon.net> wrote:

> With the available pictures the only Tiger specific parts I see are the
> inner fender brace attachments and the external radiator tank. I'll throw
> part of the steering column & mount in there too.  The brace attachments are
> Tiger, not Alpine.  The tank does not appear to be clamped as a Tiger
> retains the tank. The other elements you mention are irrelevant to
> confirming it not being a true Tiger.
> 
> This neither proves nor disproves the heritage.  Likely this owner/seller???
> got a hold of the car and is trying to get their money out of it with the
> least effort.  At least to me the ad reads that way.
> Tom 
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Feb  9 06:45:41 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 08:45:41 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Is this a Bogus Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <C79645C9.D7A%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4EA6405BAB3F4F1A86E43161EF0EAA54@ronpc1>

Mauro
	Here is Dale's web site.
http://www.dalesresto.com/parts.html

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 10:51 PM
To: Smit, Theo; Beamclub
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Is this a Bogus Tiger?


Theo,

I agree.  Prudence is what I want to suggest, and if Norm were to reference
the listed VIN with a conversion, he would likely say something.  As I said,
this may be a Tiger, I don't know.  It's just that lots of things about it
and the seller "bother" me.  You mentioned one of them, that it's a rust
free Texas car with lots of panels replaced.  Also, the seller does not
answer any questions directly; instead, he asks questions in response to
questions.

Speaking of Dale's front end, what exactly is that and how much does it
cost?  He mentioned to me a very elaborate modification at the tune of
several thousand dollars (well beyond my reach).  Thanks.  Mauro


On 2/8/10 10:36 PM, "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:

> Mauro,
> I think Norm will chime in if the VIN listed by the seller is known to
> be attached to a conversion. Other than that I think you're just
> looking at a Tiger that was refurbished using stuff that the PO had on
> hand, and it would be prudent to have the car inspected not just for
> authenticity but also verification of mechanical and body integrity.
> The seller indicates that the car had "a lot of panels replaced" while
> simultaneously listing it as a rust-free Texas car.
>
> Based on the seller's description he's probably got a reserve of 15 or
> 16k on it. If it's a real Tiger and it is structurally good then that
> could be a fair price, if the Dale's front end, brakes, and driveline
> are all in good shape. It's got a busted distributor cap though... not
> a good sign.
>
> Theo
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
>> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO
>> Sent: February 8, 2010 5:05 PM
>> To: Beamclub
>> Subject: [Tigers] Is this a Bogus Tiger?
>>
>> I am wondering if anyone else thinks this car currently on eBay might
>> be a bogus Tiger.  It's hard to tell at a distance, but this one's
>> just strange
>> to me.
>
>
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From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb  9 07:32:00 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 06:32:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Roll Cages
Message-ID: <840363.95575.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Check out this site's roll cage.  The photos show it sitting in a stock car
with a hard top installed.  This is probably overkill for a street car.
 
http://www.customcages.co.uk/Rollcage/LoadRollCage.castle?manufacturer=Sunbea
m&model=Tiger&type=Historic
 
 
                                    Jeff

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Feb  9 08:43:21 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 10:43:21 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Is this a Bogus Tiger?
In-Reply-To: <C796C739.D87%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <D4977FDF5A274AA396BFE7173DA1440E@ronpc1>

Mauro
	As with any car you would need to see it in person to truly evaluate
the condition especially a Tiger that is lacking the Vin plate in its normal
location.  The intake manifold was changed so they moved the coil.
Normally the coil is mounted on the intake manifold.  There a numerous items
on this Tiger that are not stock and there are numerous Tiger specific part
that are not visible in the picture but might still be with this Tiger.

It is a tough call from the picture available and it always will.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 8:03 AM
To: Thomas Witt; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Is this a Bogus Tiger?


Hi Tom.  I agree with you.  I am very aware of what makes a Tiger a Tiger. I
spend so much time with mine that I know it in a very intimate way.  I want
to be clear that I am not at all arguing that this is an Alger and/or that
the owner is dishonest.  Why would I?  I also agree that it is very true
that each singular element I mentioned neither proves nor disproves
anything.  Very little can be seen, anyway.

I do see the braces in the front, but because it's not very hard to weld in
entire inner front fenders while you're in there welding in all the other
new panels (a set of these was recently sold on eBay), it doesn't mean much
to me.  I'd like to see the welds in person.  It's funny to me that the
braces are a different color than everything else and that their attachment
bolts have been changed, which may indicate someone mucked around right
there.  I see expansion tanks sell often.  I also see water bottles sell
often.  So these are easily obtained and mean little to nothing to me.  It
does, though, seems odd to me that they seem improperly secured.  BTW, is
that where your coil is mounted? The shifter, though, is definitely cool.

I ask myself, if this is a rust free Texas car, why would they have done a
complete mud job on it, making the side trim and badge points disappear?
Maybe they did a lot of welding...but why would anyone do that?  If the
owner says it is rust free and he's honest, then, to me, he must not detect
any Bondo on the car, right?  If that's true, then maybe this is a rebody
using an Alpine donor body and the guy just does not know that.  That might
explain the lack of side trim and Bondo to me.  Dunno.  Again, I don't know
anything about this car or its owner.  I'm just asking questions.

Unfortunately for me, I am an analyst, so, to me it's the the combination of
the various elements, plus the owner's answers-not-answers that make me
simply suggest a healthy level of prudence. Prudence can't be bad.  I hope.

From davidandvarley at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  9 08:43:56 2010
From: davidandvarley at hotmail.com (David and Varley Tweddle)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 23:43:56 +0800
Subject: [Tigers] Does anybody have an email address for Victoria British
Message-ID: <BLU148-W25BEDF6313ACDF178FCA73CF500@phx.gbl>

Hi all,

I have ordered some parts from Victoria British and the order appears
"Stalled".

They only list telephone numbers for contact.

The store I have ordered from is :-

Victoria British LTD.
14600 W. 107th Street
Lenexa,
 KS 66215

I would MUCH prefer to email them than make an expensive Intl phone call and
talk to some automated phone system!!

If anybody has an email address that would be a great help.

Thanks in an anticipation...
David Tweddle
Perth, Western Australia

_________________________________________________________________
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From simer.frank at gmail.com  Tue Feb  9 10:39:48 2010
From: simer.frank at gmail.com (Frank Simer)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 11:39:48 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger owners near Minneapolis
Message-ID: <4203ced91002090939s3a706e78qa55f8acd6f3facd8@mail.gmail.com>

Hey I am needing to take some measurements as I finish my rebuild... anyone
around Minneapolis have a Tiger i can look at and measure ?  Contact me
directly as to spare the archive

Frank
55405

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Feb  9 10:42:25 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 12:42:25 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Does anybody have an email address for Victoria British
In-Reply-To: <BLU148-W25BEDF6313ACDF178FCA73CF500@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <80BC8DA680DB4FEFAF4F039BB41B5573@ronpc1>

David
	I don't see an email address.
I do see a Worldwide Fax # if that will help.

http://www.victoriabritish.com/contact_us.htm

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of David and Varley Tweddle
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 10:44 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Does anybody have an email address for Victoria British


Hi all,

I have ordered some parts from Victoria British and the order appears
"Stalled".

They only list telephone numbers for contact.

The store I have ordered from is :-

Victoria British LTD.
14600 W. 107th Street
Lenexa,
 KS 66215

I would MUCH prefer to email them than make an expensive Intl phone call and
talk to some automated phone system!!

If anybody has an email address that would be a great help.

Thanks in an anticipation...
David Tweddle
Perth, Western Australia

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From jteepen at usatoday.com  Tue Feb  9 11:33:45 2010
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:33:45 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Apline Body at Pick N Pull
In-Reply-To: <C79610C8.D63%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
References: <227293.30971.qm@web111602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<C79610C8.D63%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E155441F2E8C16@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>

I just received a call from a non-Sunbeam enthusiast that found my name and
number on line.  He wanted the Sunbeam community to know that there is a
Sunbeam Alpine body in the Pick N Pull salvage yard in Vacaville, CA.  The
yard is located near the intersection of Airbase and Peabody, near Travis Air
Force Base.  He said there is no engine or transmission in the car.

If anyone follows up on this information, please let the list know what you
find!


Thanks,

Jere Teepen

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Tue Feb  9 15:31:06 2010
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 22:31:06 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Roll Cages
In-Reply-To: <840363.95575.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <840363.95575.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b1002091431k7e84bc6fi4a1aadafd16d97a0@mail.gmail.com>

i got my cage from them.  had it powder coated and installed by another roll
cage company near me.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Jeffrey Nichols <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Check out this site's roll cage.  The photos show it sitting in a stock car
> with a hard top installed.  This is probably overkill for a street car.
>
>
> http://www.customcages.co.uk/Rollcage/LoadRollCage.castle?manufacturer=Sunbea
> m&model=Tiger&type=Historic<http://www.customcages.co.uk/Rollcage/LoadRollCage.castle?manufacturer=Sunbea%0Am&model=Tiger&type=Historic>
>
>
>                                    Jeff
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Tue Feb  9 16:41:28 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 15:41:28 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Apline Body at Pick N Pull
References: <227293.30971.qm@web111602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<C79610C8.D63%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
	<E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E155441F2E8C16@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
Message-ID: <0E2DF61231C2411D9BE8C2082B29C2CA@student2>

That was great for this person to do that (and for you to pass it on).  As 
one who considers "Vacation" hitting every available Pick A Part, Pick N 
Pull etc. (Yes, I have been to this yard about 3 times - 350 miles from 
home) I think I have seen... one Alpine in well over 100 trips.

 Typically an MG or two, a Jensen Healey perhaps, but not much from England 
is found today.  Gone are the days where I would see maybe up to three Rover 
TC 3500's in one trip.  I still remember walking over a tri-scooped, 
aluminum hood (as everyone else had) not giving it much thought because they 
were rather common.

Tom

From wwwdg at webtv.net  Tue Feb  9 19:59:49 2010
From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:59:49 GMT
Subject: [Tigers] Alpine Body at Pick N Pull
Message-ID: <BAY107-DS7945346B2FB1263514C3CAD4F0@phx.gbl>

I saw this Sunday, it mostly just a shell. It has no ID plates, finned
rear tail light model. 
Missing doors, hood, trunk, bumpers, rotors, seats, dash, engine is on
the ground, transmission, radiator, steering wheel, windshield, all
lights. About all that is there is the fenders and quarter panels.
Should make an easy restoration :)

David Franchi

From MWood24020 at aol.com  Tue Feb  9 21:10:45 2010
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 23:10:45 EST
Subject: [Tigers] great Tiger video
Message-ID: <202f4.754641de.38a38bc5@aol.com>

>From my local Shelby club email group...I imagine others have seen this, I  
hadn't...very cool.
 
<<Hi guys,

Darrell Mountjoy, a Pantera/289  Cobra/Thunderbird/Darrell Mountjoy, a 
Pantera/289  Cobra/Thunderbird/<WBR>Bronco/Sunbeam Tiger owning friend of mine, 
sent me this  lin  Darrell owns  a regular Tiger, as well as the #9 Le Mans 
Tiger Coupe, seen at 2:30 in the  film.

Dig the great, Bullit-style jazzy soundtrack and the wonderfully  clipped 
narration of Raymond Baxter, who narrated all sorts of films of this  type 
back in the '60s...>>

_http://www.youtube.http://wwwhttp://www.yo_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG7ebp8Nla8) 

From davidandvarley at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 10 00:05:16 2010
From: davidandvarley at hotmail.com (David and Varley Tweddle)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:05:16 +0800
Subject: [Tigers] Victoria British email address.......thanks all!!
Message-ID: <BLU148-W18B5F1EA994F91B11C3ED9CF4F0@phx.gbl>

Thanks to the super prompt help I received from this list I have my Victoria
British order moving.

Their will hidden email address is :-

customercare at longmotor.net

Thanks to all who reponded.

One of the members of this INVALUABLE forum called the Victoria British toll
free number and managed to talk to a real person and my order is now "Unstuck"
(and he obtained an email address to boot)!! This type of assistance is just
fantastic and once again shows the help one Tiger owner (far away) can get via
this list.

Ain't this Internet thing great!

If ever anyone needs some Aussie help.....let me know!

Cheers
David

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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Wed Feb 10 02:41:24 2010
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:41:24 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Victoria British email address.......thanks all!!
In-Reply-To: <BLU148-W18B5F1EA994F91B11C3ED9CF4F0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU148-W18B5F1EA994F91B11C3ED9CF4F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <39a841b1002100141i578bfc57hb921222ade23513e@mail.gmail.com>

they say they don't respond to emails sent to that address.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 7:05 AM, David and Varley Tweddle <
davidandvarley at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks to the super prompt help I received from this list I have my
> Victoria
> British order moving.
>
> Their will hidden email address is :-
>
> customercare at longmotor.net
>
> Thanks to all who reponded.
>
> One of the members of this INVALUABLE forum called the Victoria British
> toll
> free number and managed to talk to a real person and my order is now
> "Unstuck"
> (and he obtained an email address to boot)!! This type of assistance is
> just
> fantastic and once again shows the help one Tiger owner (far away) can get
> via
> this list.
>
> Ain't this Internet thing great!
>
> If ever anyone needs some Aussie help.....let me know!
>
> Cheers
> David
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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> ninemsn
> Property
> http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/
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From rande at thecia.net  Wed Feb 10 16:10:01 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:10:01 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
Message-ID: <4b733cc9.71b9.0@thecia.net>

testing only

From bob_diehl at earthlink.net  Thu Feb 11 09:44:32 2010
From: bob_diehl at earthlink.net (Bob Diehl)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:44:32 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Apline Body at Pick N Pull
In-Reply-To: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E155441F2E8C16@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us
	.ad.gannett.com>
References: <227293.30971.qm@web111602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<C79610C8.D63%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
	<E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E155441F2E8C16@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
Message-ID: <E1Nfcs3-0001aY-6X@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Speaking of "Pick N Pull", how about this stuff available from 
billsunbeam @ live.com?

'66 Tiger somewhere around $4,000 Canadian.
http://cid-d2691c1b8e3579b6.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/Tiger%20MKIA%20For%20Sale

Ansen Scattershield under $400 - Top loader with shift tower $800 
Canadian dollars.
http://cid-d2691c1b8e3579b6.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/Tiger%20Toploader%20%5E0%20Ansen%20Scattershield


bob_diehl

From cmccann at lwpb.com  Thu Feb 11 10:48:17 2010
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:48:17 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Apline Body at Pick N Pull
In-Reply-To: <E1Nfcs3-0001aY-6X@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <227293.30971.qm@web111602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<C79610C8.D63%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
	<E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E155441F2E8C16@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
	<E1Nfcs3-0001aY-6X@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BBDFF78D5@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

that is a real Tiger....seems like we question a lot of legitimacy of Tigers
on this list....I find myself doing it...but this car is a real Tiger.....i
don't even know the guy but I would defend that one.

at first glance the car looks really rough, but I think its just go so much
crud all over it and so many colors, its hard to tell the actual condition.
only rust I really see on it at first glance is drivers rear floor...for as
nasty as the whole car looks, it might actually be in...restorable
condition...i think. IMO....

good find Bob.....

that's approximately 3800 bucks US dollars...pretty close exchange... a little
better for us. I keep hearing though that there is some legislation in canada
right now where the govt has the power to seize non-domestic cars to be
destroyed or something. And I hear that they arent letting them across the
border, but my info may be inaccurate.

Cullen




Subject: Re: [Tigers] Apline Body at Pick N Pull

Speaking of "Pick N Pull", how about this stuff available from
billsunbeam @ live.com?

'66 Tiger somewhere around $4,000 Canadian.
http://cid-d2691c1b8e3579b6.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/Tiger%20MKIA%20For%
20Sale

Ansen Scattershield under $400 - Top loader with shift tower $800
Canadian dollars.
http://cid-d2691c1b8e3579b6.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/Tiger%20Toploader%2
0%5E0%20Ansen%20Scattershield


bob_diehl

From PhastPhill at aol.com  Thu Feb 11 12:01:40 2010
From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:01:40 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Apline Body at Pick N Pull
Message-ID: <df8b.24fada64.38a5ae14@aol.com>

Info all wrong.....more urban legand

From cmccann at lwpb.com  Thu Feb 11 12:10:39 2010
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 13:10:39 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Apline Body at Pick N Pull
In-Reply-To: <df8b.24fada64.38a5ae14@aol.com>
References: <df8b.24fada64.38a5ae14@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BBDFF78FA@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

good to know...thanks P....



Info all wrong.....more urban legand

From Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com  Thu Feb 11 13:15:11 2010
From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com (Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:15:11 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Alpine Body at Pick N Pull
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15.1265914803.10559.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF4152113F.864131EB-ON852576C7.006E831F-852576C7.006F447A@sybase.com>

> '66 Tiger somewhere around $4,000 Canadian.
> 
http://cid-d2691c1b8e3579b6.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/Tiger%20MKIA%20For%20Sale

>
> Ansen Scattershield under $400 - Top loader with shift tower $800 
> Canadian dollars.
> 
http://cid-d2691c1b8e3579b6.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/Tiger%20Toploader%20%5E0%20Ansen%20Scattershield
>
> that is a real Tiger....seems like we question a lot of legitimacy of 
Tigers
> on this list....I find myself doing it...but this car is a real 
Tiger.....i
> don't even know the guy but I would defend that one.

I know Bill well and yes, this is absolutely a real Tiger.

> that's approximately 3800 bucks US dollars...pretty close exchange... a 
little
> better for us. I keep hearing though that there is some legislation in 
canada
> right now where the govt has the power to seize non-domestic cars to be
> destroyed or something. And I hear that they arent letting them across 
the
> border, but my info may be inaccurate.

Government seizing foreign vehicles? I live here and have never heard of 
craziness!
Where did you here that?  I must admit that us rather docile Canadians 
would
be up in arms if it was true! :')

Never had a problem bringing a car over the border - you just need the 
right 
paperwork for it.

Paul

From mai65tai at sonic.net  Thu Feb 11 22:26:58 2010
From: mai65tai at sonic.net (John Stithem)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:26:58 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers United XXXII
Message-ID: <000b01caaba3$ff391370$fdab3a50$@net>

TIGERS UNITED XXXII

 

We have had lots of inquiries about when and where TU XXXII will be held.

Here you go:

 

For all the West Coasters out there (and anyone else wanting to take a drive
across the country).

 

Sponsored by: STOA (Sunbeam Tiger Owners Association)

When: Thursday June 17, 2010 thru Sunday June 20, 2010

Where: Santa Rosa, CA. (approximately 1 hour north of San Francisco in the
heart of the beautiful Sonoma County wine county).

Chairperson: Me---John Stithem and Kelley Keogh---Wife

 

Event Hotel: Hilton Sonoma Wine Country

                        3555 Round Barn Blvd.

                        Santa Rosa, CA 95403

                        707/523-7555

                        www.winecountryhilton.com

(At this time you must call the hotel directly to obtain the group discount.
It is not available with internet booking)

 

We have the usual events lined up:

            Welcome BBQ

Rally: For those of you that have said "I will never do another rally", you
will not want to miss this one).

Guest Speakers - This one is not to be missed (more later).

Auto-Cross: We tried to get Infineon Raceway but unfortunately they have a
NASCAR event that weekend. By the way---if you are driving into the Tigers
United event from the east-STAY CLEAR OF INFINEON RACEWAY and HWY 37 (unless
you want to test your radiator!!!).

Concours

 

Event registration forms and schedule of events will be posted on the
website soon   http://web.me.com/kanejeff

 

If you have any questions email me at  mai65tai at sonic.net

 

If you would like to volunteer to help out with any of the many parts of TU
XXXII email me (I am putting together lists right now and there are still a
few spots open for volunteers).

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Thu Feb 11 23:30:04 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:30:04 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Alpine Body at Pick N Pull
References: <OF4152113F.864131EB-ON852576C7.006E831F-852576C7.006F447A@sybase.com>
Message-ID: <0F218DAECC9A44589E87B640BA601E2E@student2>

>>>Never had a problem bringing a car over the border - you just need the 
>>>right paperwork for it.<<<

I would think that this item (rusty Tiger) could be classified as "Iron 
Ore."  Just tell them at the border (while playing Gordon Lightfoot on the 
stereo) that it is replacing the ore that was lost with the sinking of the 
Edmond Fitzgerald.  :-)

Tom

From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 12 09:58:30 2010
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:58:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Correct Color's of Parts
Message-ID: <973017.29987.qm@web38103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

1966 MK1A B382002193 LRXFE.  The car has been stripped, motor and transmission
are on the bench and things progressing nicely.  While the body work is being
done, I want to clean/freshen and paint 'correctly' all
engine/servo/generator/starter/trunk/gas tanks & cross over tubes plus any
brackets etc.

Does anyone have a list of correct color by part as to what
should be on the car?  I want to go back to original color's as possible.  If
a part is black, which black is it?  Gloss, semi - gloss, satin, flat?
 
Any
help with this is appreciated.
 
Thanks
Joel Martin

From jmartiniii at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 12 10:48:09 2010
From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 09:48:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Brakes & Wheel Combinations
Message-ID: <141784.68465.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

1966 MK1A - I am curious as to what after market brake and wheel combinations
people are using.
B B B  B B B  B B B  B B B  B B B  I would like to go with a
larger front disk & caliber and put disk brakes on the rear.

Dale's
restoration has 2 front kits and one rear kit available.

10008 Wilwood Front
Brake and Vented Rotor Kit
10.5" Diameter RotorB  4 Piston Calipers.
Includes
custom mounting brackets and kevlar pads. $950.00B  

B B  Wilwood Front Brake
and Vented Rotor Kit
12.19" Diameter RotorB  4 Piston Calipers.
Includes
custom mounting brackets and kevlar pads.
Must use 15" or larger wheels.B 
$950.00B  

10009B B  Rear disc brake kit Includes calipers, rotors, e-brake
cables, brackets, kevlar pads and hardware - bolt on $850.00B  

These kits
are pretty pricey but appear to have everything needed but use a 4 bolt lug
nut pattern.B  What are the other options for increasing the braking
performance of the tiger?

I would like to use one of the American Racing
Wheels but they are 5 bolt lug nut pattern.

American Racing Vintage Wheels
Torq b Thrust II Classic Custom Offset Series CL 205 Gray
http://www.customwheelsdirect.com/html/wheels_brand/wheel_detail.php?id=51879
B or
Torq Thrust Original Painted Machine Alloy Series # 309
http://www.customwheelsdirect.com/html/wheels_brand/wheel_detail.php?id=36624
&show=allB or
Torq Thrust DB  Painted Machine Alloy Series # 105
http://www.customwheelsdirect.com/html/wheels_brand/wheel_detail.php?id=42102
What is the best overall size of wheels and tire commbinations to use without
having to modify the wheel lips?B  Original was 13 " rims.B  Going to 14 or 15
", width and tire sizes with knowing the wheel offsets to fit brake package
and still fit correctly in the wheel wells.B  Can you keep the same sizes
front and rear?

How in the world do you determine all of this?

Thoughts,
pictures, sizes, part numbers etc would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Joel
Martin

From gswaybright at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 12 13:42:47 2010
From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:42:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Brakes & Wheel Combinations
In-Reply-To: <141784.68465.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <141784.68465.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <609947.12330.qm@web31404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Joel,
I have the smaller diameter of Dale's Wilwood front kits and his rear
disc conversion. They work very well, but the front pad compound I have
dusts badly. Hopefully I'll find something a little less "dusty" when I
replace the pads.

Seems like a lot of trouble and expense to switch to 5 bolt hubs just to get
those wheels, plus you may still have a real problem getting the right
wheel offset. I suggest you think hard about that one.

I have 16"x7" Panasport rims (Panasport knows the right offset for
Tigers), running 205/45-16 tires front and 225/45-16 rear. The 205s
have about the same rolling diameter as the stock tires on 13" rims, so fit pretty well and shouldn't need major fender mods, if any.

I think Dale's big disc kit requires 16" rims. The smaller disc kit
might get by with smaller, but I think the 16x7 rims are a good size
all around with the 205/45 tires. Dale can certainly lay out the options for you, but call him instead of email.

See @ http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3031557

Stephen Waybright
www.linkedin.com/in/gswaybright



----- Original Message ----
From: Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com>
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 12:48:09 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Brakes & Wheel Combinations

1966 MK1A - I am curious as to what after market brake and wheel combinations
people are using.
B B B  B B B  B B B  B B B  B B B  I would like to go with a
larger front disk & caliber and put disk brakes on the rear.

Dale's
restoration has 2 front kits and one rear kit available.

10008 Wilwood Front
Brake and Vented Rotor Kit
10.5" Diameter RotorB  4 Piston Calipers.
Includes
custom mounting brackets and kevlar pads. $950.00B  

B B  Wilwood Front Brake
and Vented Rotor Kit
12.19" Diameter RotorB  4 Piston Calipers.
Includes
custom mounting brackets and kevlar pads.
Must use 15" or larger wheels.B 
$950.00B  

10009B B  Rear disc brake kit Includes calipers, rotors, e-brake
cables, brackets, kevlar pads and hardware - bolt on $850.00B  

These kits
are pretty pricey but appear to have everything needed but use a 4 bolt lug
nut pattern.B  What are the other options for increasing the braking
performance of the tiger?

I would like to use one of the American Racing
Wheels but they are 5 bolt lug nut pattern.

American Racing Vintage Wheels
Torq b Thrust II Classic Custom Offset Series CL 205 Gray
http://www.customwheelsdirect.com/html/wheels_brand/wheel_detail.php?id=51879
B or
Torq Thrust Original Painted Machine Alloy Series # 309
http://www.customwheelsdirect.com/html/wheels_brand/wheel_detail.php?id=36624
&show=allB or
Torq Thrust DB  Painted Machine Alloy Series # 105
http://www.customwheelsdirect.com/html/wheels_brand/wheel_detail.php?id=42102
What is the best overall size of wheels and tire commbinations to use without
having to modify the wheel lips?B  Original was 13 " rims.B  Going to 14 or 15
", width and tire sizes with knowing the wheel offsets to fit brake package
and still fit correctly in the wheel wells.B  Can you keep the same sizes
front and rear?

How in the world do you determine all of this?

Thoughts,
pictures, sizes, part numbers etc would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Joel
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Fri Feb 12 14:45:37 2010
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:45:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Brakes & Wheel Combinations
In-Reply-To: <609947.12330.qm@web31404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <509506166.3084681266011137631.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hi Stephen,

I really like your car!
Those Panasport's on the front though...
How do they manage not to hit the fenders?  Do you have more than an
inch of suspension travel?  Are the fenders modified?
I need to know because I need new wheels etc. on my car too!!

BTW, I have Dale's older(?) rear disk kit (Fiat 124 calipers).  GOOD kit,
not really expensive at all.  I am using stock front brakes but Dale's
carbon pads all around, for street use I am really happy with the setup.

Gary


----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Waybright 
To: Joel Martin , Tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:42:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brakes & Wheel Combinations

Joel,
I have the smaller diameter of Dale's Wilwood front kits and his rear
disc conversion. They work very well, but the front pad compound I have
dusts badly. Hopefully I'll find something a little less "dusty" when I
replace the pads.

Seems like a lot of trouble and expense to switch to 5 bolt hubs just to get
those wheels, plus you may still have a real problem getting the right
wheel offset. I suggest you think hard about that one.

I have 16"x7" Panasport rims (Panasport knows the right offset for
Tigers), running 205/45-16 tires front and 225/45-16 rear. The 205s
have about the same rolling diameter as the stock tires on 13" rims, so fit pretty well and shouldn't need major fender mods, if any.

I think Dale's big disc kit requires 16" rims. The smaller disc kit
might get by with smaller, but I think the 16x7 rims are a good size
all around with the 205/45 tires. Dale can certainly lay out the options for you, but call him instead of email.

See @ http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3031557

Stephen Waybright
www.linkedin.com/in/gswaybright

From gswaybright at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 12 15:05:17 2010
From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:05:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Brakes & Wheel Combinations
In-Reply-To: <509506166.3084681266011137631.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <509506166.3084681266011137631.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <271613.70700.qm@web31403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Gary.

No problem with the front wheels/tires, except my drivers side sits a little lower than the right for some yet to be determined reason so I used an Eastwood fender roller just a little on that side.... It's the same wheel &
tire combo that Jerry Vanderpool runs without issue, and I'm sure there are several others. 

My
rear brakes are the Fiat kit from Dale too.

 Stephen Waybright
To: Stephen Waybright <gswaybright at yahoo.com>
Cc: Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com>; Tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 4:45:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brakes & Wheel Combinations

Hi Stephen,

I really like your car!
Those Panasport's on the front though...
How do they manage not to hit the fenders?  Do you have more than an
inch of suspension travel?  Are the fenders modified?
I need to know because I need new wheels etc. on my car too!!

BTW, I have Dale's older(?) rear disk kit (Fiat 124 calipers).  GOOD kit,
not really expensive at all.  I am using stock front brakes but Dale's
carbon pads all around, for street use I am really happy with the setup.

Gary


----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Waybright 
To: Joel Martin , Tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:42:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brakes & Wheel Combinations

Joel,
I have the smaller diameter of Dale's Wilwood front kits and his rear
disc conversion. They work very well, but the front pad compound I have
dusts badly. Hopefully I'll find something a little less "dusty" when I
replace the pads.

Seems like a lot of trouble and expense to switch to 5 bolt hubs just to get
those wheels, plus you may still have a real problem getting the right
wheel offset. I suggest you think hard about that one.

I have 16"x7" Panasport rims (Panasport knows the right offset for
Tigers), running 205/45-16 tires front and 225/45-16 rear. The 205s
have about the same rolling diameter as the stock tires on 13" rims, so fit pretty well and shouldn't need major fender mods, if any.

I think Dale's big disc kit requires 16" rims. The smaller disc kit
might get by with smaller, but I think the 16x7 rims are a good size
all around with the 205/45 tires. Dale can certainly lay out the options for you, but call him instead of email.

See @ http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3031557

Stephen Waybright
www.linkedin.com/in/gswaybright

From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net  Sat Feb 13 01:18:24 2010
From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 00:18:24 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Brakes & Wheel Combinations
In-Reply-To: <141784.68465.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <141784.68465.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B766050.9040602@cox.net>

Hi Joel:
Can't offer anything about the disk brake kits you mentioned, but when I 
had my Tiger I would have loved to have put a set of Torque-thrust D's 
on it!!
They look good on just about anything.

Which doesn't explain why I keep buying cars with 4-bolt patterns 
instead of 5. :-)
I never got to the point of actually trying to figure out backspacing, 
tire and wheel sizing and all that, though.

In the Sunbeam Tiger and Alpine Gold Portfolio, there's a reprint from 
Autocar magazine, June 26, 1969.  Page 166 refers to a developmental 
Tiger II with the following from their long-term report : "...it has 
five-stud 14 in. wheels and big Girling discs all round...." and the 
picture on page 168 shows a 5-bolt pattern on what look like Panasports 
( or Minilites--I think that's what they used over in England back then 
(?) ).

It's your car.  If there's enough money in there to change to a 5-bolt 
pattern, you like the look of the Torque-Thrust and you can come up with 
some backspacing, wheel widths, tire sizes and all that, I'd say: "Go 
for it!!"

You'd just be carrying on the development work that the factory was 
pursuing.  :-)

Oh, FWIW, I guesstimated the stock tires (5.90-13) at about 22.5" dia.  
Figuring 80 series sidewalls.
If I'm not too far out (math was never my strong point), then if you put 
a set of 14" American Racing wheels on, you can use a set of Falken 
Azenis 195-60-14 (summer-only, and the only size they still make for a 
14" rim) RT-615's on, at 23.2" diameter.  A little larger, so I don't 
know what kind of problems you'd encounter, but I've got the Azenis on 
my '97 Miata and the thing is an absolute ball to drive!  They're pretty 
sticky, so you'd want to make sure your factory induced front suspension 
problems (i.e. Ackermann angles with the resultant busted lower fulcrum 
pins and collapsed suspension) have been resolved first.
Since I sold my Tiger 3 1/2 years ago, I haven't been following the tire 
threads on this list much (this one just caught my eye because of the 
wheels involved), so I defer to the guys on the list, most of who 
actually HAVE Tigers and are much better able to tell you whether my 
figures are anywhere near realistic.

Best Regards
David Sosna

Joel Martin wrote:
> I would like to use one of the American Racing
> Wheels but they are 5 bolt lug nut pattern.
>
> Torq Thrust DB  Painted Machine Alloy Series # 105
> http://www.customwheelsdirect.com/html/wheels_brand/wheel_detail.php?id=42102
> What is the best overall size of wheels and tire commbinations to use without
> having to modify the wheel lips?B  Original was 13 " rims.B  Going to 14 or 15
> ", width and tire sizes with knowing the wheel offsets to fit brake package
> and still fit correctly in the wheel wells.B  Can you keep the same sizes
> front and rear?
>
>
>   


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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 17:46:27 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:46:27 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Brakes & Wheel Combinations
In-Reply-To: <141784.68465.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <141784.68465.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d86d088a1002121646lcba0037o51cbc112ae8a5e2@mail.gmail.com>

> Try finding a set of Revolite wheels.. they are like a 4 spoke versio of
> the toque thrust. they were available to cortinas. eascorts etc, and can be
> had in 13, 14 and 15" x 5.5 and 6-7".. they are 4 bolt and on the
> alpine/tiger pattern.




-- 
Regards

Michael King

From tsmit at shaw.ca  Fri Feb 12 18:26:37 2010
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (THEO SMIT)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:26:37 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Brakes & Wheel Combinations
In-Reply-To: <509506166.3084681266011137631.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <609947.12330.qm@web31404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<509506166.3084681266011137631.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <cef79b271854c.4b759d5d@shaw.ca>

Hi Gary, and Joel,
It's an involved mod, but I changed over to Ford pattern 5 bolt (5 on 4 1/2)
hubs and then put on 11 3/4" rotors front and rear.

I got some redrilled stock front hubs from Tom Hall, and had new rear hubs
made by Doug Jennings' machinist. I had the rear hubs drilled and threaded so
I could use ARP screw-in studs.

Then I machined up some 1/2"  spacers for the rear, that registered on the
drum step on the hub side, and had a step on the outside to locate '95-'99
Mustang Cobra rear discs. I made brackets to mount the Cobra calipers on the
rear axle and some spacer rings to account for the no-longer-needed drum
backing plate. I ended up making a set of 1/2" spacers to go outside the disc
so that I could run 2005 Mustang wheels.
I trimmed the wheel studs so that the lug nuts were pretty much bottomed out
if I ran without spacers and with the 1/2" spacers I still have full thread
engagement with some margin.

On the front I used Wilwood 11 3/4"  x 0.81" rotors and Dynalite 4-piston
calipers. The rotor hats sit directly on the stock hub flange, but I made a
wheel spacer that has a ring on the inside so it registers on the hub and also
locates the rotor hat. The spacer also extends outwards to locate the wheel
center. The caliper mount adapter was a Z-shape made from a piece of 2.5 x 2.5
x 6" aluminum - I think I ended up removing about half of the mass from that
piece.

Dale's kit is probably a lot more cost effective if you factor in the time
required to do the fabrication, but if you really want 5-bolt hubs then you
should talk to him about that before you order parts. I'm sure he can make or
get pieces to suit, but it might take time.

I have the front end lowered some, rolled fender lips and trimmed valence.
Nothing hits, but it's so close that you can't get a finger between the fender
and the tire at the minimum clearance points.

I have pictures and can take more if you're interested.
Theo


----- Original Message -----
From: garywinblad at comcast.net
Date: Friday, February 12, 2010 2:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brakes & Wheel Combinations
To: Stephen Waybright <gswaybright at yahoo.com>
Cc: Joel Martin <jmartiniii at yahoo.com>, Tigers at autox.team.net

> Hi Stephen,
>
> I really like your car!
> Those Panasport's on the front though...
> How do they manage not to hit the fenders?  Do you have
> more than an
> inch of suspension travel?  Are the fenders modified?
> I need to know because I need new wheels etc. on my car too!!
> 

From walmenke at bigpond.net.au  Fri Feb 12 18:59:39 2010
From: walmenke at bigpond.net.au (Wally Menke)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:59:39 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Injection
Message-ID: <001901caac50$3386bdb0$9a943910$@net.au>

Anyone out there fitted a Powerjection III fuel injection system to their
Tiger? It looks just like a 4 barrel carb and is very neat, minimal wiring
and simple set-up. Looks like a few of the Mustang and Cobra guys have used
it.

 

Link below shows it.

 

http://www.professional-products.com/EFI_3.php

 

Wally Menke

From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 12 19:50:59 2010
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:50:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Automotive Tragedy
Message-ID: <134568.25028.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Oh, this is gonna kill ya.

January 22, Russo & Steele Classic Car Auction in Scottsdale Arizona. Tornado-like weather. Collapsed tents. Read the article, then see the pictures and weep.

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/storms-wreak-havoc-on-russo-and-steele-collector-car-auction

http://picasaweb.google.com/kingsfp/RussosteelAuction110?authkey=Gv1sRgCNGlh-XG2vSxrQE&feat=email

From tsmit at shaw.ca  Fri Feb 12 21:34:01 2010
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (THEO SMIT)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:34:01 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Injection
In-Reply-To: <001901caac50$3386bdb0$9a943910$@net.au>
References: <001901caac50$3386bdb0$9a943910$@net.au>
Message-ID: <f324f5d11bbfa.4b75c949@shaw.ca>

Hi Wally,

I have a BossEFI throttle body injection unit on my Tiger. It's sitting on an
F4B manifold and it just barely fits under the firewall rib, but only after I
machined the arc off the rear "float bowl" (the cover for the rear pair of
injectors). I used a countersinking bit on the milling machine and that
matched the angle of the underside of the rib pretty well. I also don't have
any engine spacer washers between the block and the engine mounts.

If you had a low rise manifold then you shouldn't have any problems.

My setup came with the "stage 2 EMS" which is a remotely mounted electronics
unit that I attached to the passenger footrest, along with the oxygen sensor
module. The Powerjection 3 has the electronics attached to the side of the
throttle body. To me this represents a liability because heat and vibration
will kill all but the most robust electronics package.

The PowerJection 3 only controls fuel supply to the throttle body while the
Stage 2 EMS was also supposed to be able to control engine timing. I found
that the EMS had problems at several RPM ranges where the timing was not
getting set properly, and the engine would just go flat as long as you were in
that RPM band. It also couldn't do timing management while cranking properly.
As soon as I went back to my old-school distributor with mechanical and vacuum
advance, the dead spots went away and I could focus on getting it to do the
mixture right.

One issue with the Stage2 EMS (don't know if the PowerJection 3 also has the
problem) is that it will run all four injectors even though the secondary
throttles might be closed. This causes less than ideal idling and low-throttle
operation because fuel will accumulate above the throttle plates and then
suddenly burp through into the intake manifold. The throttle body came with a
linkage arrangement that was supposed to allow siamesed, or two different
progressive secondary throttle operation, but the software was not set up to
recognize this.

In summary, I like the machine work on the throttle body and the concept is
good, but the software in the controller is not good enough to make it a
really great thing unless you're racing, where the part-throttle drivability
is a minor issue. I think that when I get around to it, I'll see how much I
can reverse-engineer the controller and if that doesn't work out then I'll be
getting a MegaSquirt or SDS controller and doing some custom programming for
it.

For the PowerJection 3, I think that since it was never intended to do
ignition timing, they've eliminated one of the biggest problems with the
earlier system, but I'm not sure that having the electronics stuck atop the
engine is a good idea. In the worst case you'd have to remove that module on
the side of the throttle body and locate it remotely.

Theo

----- Original Message -----
From: Wally Menke <walmenke at bigpond.net.au>
Date: Friday, February 12, 2010 7:00 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Injection
To: Tiger's List <tigers at autox.team.net>

> Anyone out there fitted a Powerjection III fuel injection system
> to their
> Tiger? It looks just like a 4 barrel carb and is very neat,
> minimal wiring
> and simple set-up. Looks like a few of the Mustang and Cobra
> guys have used
> it.
>
>  
>
> Link below shows it.
>
>  
>
> http://www.professional-products.com/EFI_3.php
>
>  
>
> Wally Menke
> _______________________________________________

From Landcmitch at aol.com  Sat Feb 13 00:03:28 2010
From: Landcmitch at aol.com (Landcmitch at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 02:03:28 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Lubrication
Message-ID: <1ceaa.187d9d9d.38a7a8c0@aol.com>

Just a note to all the flat-tappet zincless owners.  You might  want to 
look into AMSOIL's 10W-40 (AMO)
and 20W-50 (ARO) synthetic motor oils.  AMSOIL  says they  have a high-zinc 
formula for diesels, hot rods and motorhomes, and are  excellent for high 
performance, flat tappet and high mileage applications.   I have used AMSOIL 
for years and am very satisfied.
 
            _www.amsoil.com_ (http://www.amsoil.com) 
 
Charlie 

From Landcmitch at aol.com  Sat Feb 13 00:13:17 2010
From: Landcmitch at aol.com (Landcmitch at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 02:13:17 EST
Subject: [Tigers]  Lubrication
Message-ID: <1cf8c.5ddf509f.38a7ab0d@aol.com>

Just a note to all the flat-tappet zincless owners.  You might  want to 
look into AMSOIL's 10W-40 (AMO)
and 20W-50 (ARO) synthetic motor oils.  AMSOIL  says they  have a high-zinc 
formula for diesels, hot rods and motorhomes, and are  excellent for high 
performance, flat tappet and high mileage applications.   I have used AMSOIL 
for years and am very satisfied.
 
            _www.amsoil.com_ (http://www.amsoil.com/) 
 
Charlie 

From arado7 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Feb 13 04:43:51 2010
From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 03:43:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] New years eve..
In-Reply-To: <1cf8c.5ddf509f.38a7ab0d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <278857.96958.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Happy new year. Tomorrow is Chinese new year. Which is the year of the tiger.
Perhaps portend good vibes for our cars...        Gary B9472283
--- On Sat, 2/13/10, Landcmitch at aol.com <Landcmitch at aol.com> wrote:


From: Landcmitch at aol.com <Landcmitch at aol.com>
Subject: [Tigers] Lubrication
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 7:13 AM


Just a note to all the flat-tappet zincless owners.  You might  want to
look into AMSOIL's 10W-40 (AMO)
and 20W-50 (ARO) synthetic motor oils.  AMSOIL  says they  have a high-zinc
formula for diesels, hot rods and motorhomes, and are  excellent for high
performance, flat tappet and high mileage applications.   I have used AMSOIL
for years and am very satisfied.

            _www.amsoil.com_ (http://www.amsoil.com/)

Charlie
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Sat Feb 13 07:52:41 2010
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:52:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Automotive Tragedy
In-Reply-To: <134568.25028.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <83507786.3252731266072761759.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hi Gary,
You must be new around here...
We discussed this last month when it happened, you will be happy to
hear that the one Tiger that was there had to use one of its nine lives
but escaped unharmed, didn't make reserve and is happy back home
with its owner  :)
Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: Gary 
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 02:50:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Automotive Tragedy

Oh, this is gonna kill ya.

January 22, Russo & Steele Classic Car Auction in Scottsdale Arizona. Tornado-like weather. Collapsed tents. Read the article, then see the pictures and weep.

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/storms-wreak-havoc-on-russo-and-steele-collector-car-auction

http://picasaweb.google.com/kingsfp/RussosteelAuction110?authkey=Gv1sRgCNGlh-XG2vSxrQE&feat=email
_______________________________________________

From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Sat Feb 13 08:28:05 2010
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:28:05 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] New years eve..
In-Reply-To: <278857.96958.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20100213152805.SFTAX.606059.root@cdptpa-web24-z01>

I'll get mine out tomorrow its supposed to be 80 in LA

Steve


---- arado7 at sbcglobal.net wrote: 
> Happy new year. Tomorrow is Chinese new year. Which is the year of the tiger.
> Perhaps portend good vibes for our cars...        Gary B9472283
> --- On Sat, 2/13/10, Landcmitch at aol.com <Landcmitch at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Landcmitch at aol.com <Landcmitch at aol.com>
> Subject: [Tigers] Lubrication
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 7:13 AM
> 
> 
> Just a note to all the flat-tappet zincless owners.  You might  want to
> look into AMSOIL's 10W-40 (AMO)
> and 20W-50 (ARO) synthetic motor oils.  AMSOIL  says they  have a high-zinc
> formula for diesels, hot rods and motorhomes, and are  excellent for high
> performance, flat tappet and high mileage applications.   I have used AMSOIL
> for years and am very satisfied.
> 
>             _www.amsoil.com_ (http://www.amsoil.com/)
> 
> Charlie
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From spmdr at juno.com  Sat Feb 13 10:25:55 2010
From: spmdr at juno.com (spmdr at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 09:25:55 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Spark plugs
Message-ID: <20100213.092555.336.0.spmdr@juno.com>

A recent spark plug purchase has brought heat range availability into
question.

A bought Autolite 45 (old BRF 42) and 46 (old BRF 82).

Been a long time since I bought any 45s.

I could not tell which one is the hotter plug!

They look the same!

Looks like Autolite has changed their 45 plug?

Anyone been down this road recently?

...or noticed their 45s are hotter then they should be?

 DW
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From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net  Sat Feb 13 11:34:49 2010
From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:34:49 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Spark plugs
In-Reply-To: <20100213.092555.336.0.spmdr@juno.com>
References: <20100213.092555.336.0.spmdr@juno.com>
Message-ID: <F94A01D0EBA64A20A93E3EF109B5B7AC@ROSS>

DW,

The difference is not in the heat range they are the same.  The difference
is in the electrode.  The 45 has an extended electrode the 46 does not.  The
reach on both is the same.

Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse

Subject: [Tigers] Spark plugs

A recent spark plug purchase has brought heat range availability into
question.

A bought Autolite 45 (old BRF 42) and 46 (old BRF 82).

Been a long time since I bought any 45s.

I could not tell which one is the hotter plug!

They look the same!

Looks like Autolite has changed their 45 plug?

Anyone been down this road recently?

...or noticed their 45s are hotter then they should be?

 DW

From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Feb 13 11:49:58 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:49:58 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at Auction
Message-ID: <97f2.34291379.38a84e56@aol.com>

There is a 1966 Tiger coming up on the Zephyrhills, Florida  car  auction 
next Saturday and Sunday. The Tiger is supposed to come up on  
Saturday....looks like late afternoon or early evening.  Only one picture  is 
shown.....red with flared fenders and a "different" kind of grill bar. No  other 
information is offered at this time. It appears that it will have a  reserve. 
I hope to get there on Sunday, but it will probably already be gone.   
Maybe someone else can get there on Saturday and get the vin #'s for Norm.
Mark L

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Feb 13 14:07:06 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:07:06 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at Auction
In-Reply-To: <97f2.34291379.38a84e56@aol.com>
References: <97f2.34291379.38a84e56@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B77147A.1050904@mayfco.com>

I saved the photo and then opened it with software I have and enlarged 
the grill area. The "grill bar" is not a bar but checkerboard tape which 
looks to be stuck down at the back edge of the valance in front of the 
radiator.  Or it might be something painted and/or screwed down but 
tisn't a bar...

Fender flares look to be the old CAT fiberglass ones.  Hood is held down 
with four hood pins. No, I couldn't look under the hood....

mayf

CoolVT at aol.com wrote:

>There is a 1966 Tiger coming up on the Zephyrhills, Florida  car  auction 
>next Saturday and Sunday. The Tiger is supposed to come up on  
>Saturday....looks like late afternoon or early evening.  Only one picture  is 
>shown.....red with flared fenders and a "different" kind of grill bar. No  other 
>information is offered at this time. It appears that it will have a  reserve. 
>I hope to get there on Sunday, but it will probably already be gone.   
>Maybe someone else can get there on Saturday and get the vin #'s for Norm.
>Mark L
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From bob_diehl at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 13 15:55:31 2010
From: bob_diehl at earthlink.net (Bob Diehl)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:55:31 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at Auction
In-Reply-To: <4B77147A.1050904@mayfco.com>
References: <97f2.34291379.38a84e56@aol.com>
  <4B77147A.1050904@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <E1NgQtt-0006xI-Pt@elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Weren't we all fools for not recognizing what this classic was worth 
on Ebay not too long ago?

http://feoxow.bay.livefilestore.com/y1ptqhiy1FEgOePoixZOb3wwTZBEU7GVcXj-NNHEEeW7BuEkkrLb8h_Z9In8sQ5GKWau8bu2brBA3ZrOxKvVvdKaIAp51GIxRe1/tiger2284.jpg

bob_diehl


At 01:07 PM 2/13/2010, drmayf wrote:
>I saved the photo and then opened it with software I have and 
>enlarged the grill area. The "grill bar" is not a bar but 
>checkerboard tape which looks to be stuck down at the back edge of 
>the valance in front of the radiator.  Or it might be something 
>painted and/or screwed down but tisn't a bar...
>
>Fender flares look to be the old CAT fiberglass ones.  Hood is held 
>down with four hood pins. No, I couldn't look under the hood....

From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net  Sat Feb 13 16:12:37 2010
From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:12:37 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at Auction
In-Reply-To: <E1NgQtt-0006xI-Pt@elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <97f2.34291379.38a84e56@aol.com> <4B77147A.1050904@mayfco.com>
	<E1NgQtt-0006xI-Pt@elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4B7731E5.4080409@cox.net>

It *does* seem to have the American Racing wheels that Joel was 
interested in putting on his car.
Wish there was a side view so I could see how they really look.....

Best Regards
David Sosna

Bob Diehl wrote:
> Weren't we all fools for not recognizing what this classic was worth 
> on Ebay not too long ago?
>
> http://feoxow.bay.livefilestore.com/y1ptqhiy1FEgOePoixZOb3wwTZBEU7GVcXj-NNHEEeW7BuEkkrLb8h_Z9In8sQ5GKWau8bu2brBA3ZrOxKvVvdKaIAp51GIxRe1/tiger2284.jpg 
>
>
> bob_diehl
>
>
> At 01:07 PM 2/13/2010, drmayf wrote:
>> I saved the photo and then opened it with software I have and 
>> enlarged the grill area. The "grill bar" is not a bar but 
>> checkerboard tape which looks to be stuck down at the back edge of 
>> the valance in front of the radiator.  Or it might be something 
>> painted and/or screwed down but tisn't a bar...
>>
>> Fender flares look to be the old CAT fiberglass ones.  Hood is held 
>> down with four hood pins. No, I couldn't look under the hood....
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From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Sat Feb 13 23:23:39 2010
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 22:23:39 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Brakes & Wheel Combinations
In-Reply-To: <141784.68465.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <141784.68465.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <EAC2A9FD7C6740F7943F9E7C4D80C04D@BucksLaptop>

Dan Walters should chime in on this thread.

Several years ago Dan came up with a beautiful brake package for Jim Hubka's 
black Mk 1A. (This is the Tiger Lynn Wall mentioned last week with the dual 
roll bar hoops that can be raised for open track events).

I'm vague about the details. I think they used 15" Panasports and that Dan 
used Brembo components that were meant for a Ford (Grenada?) application but 
he still retained the stock Tiger bolt pattern. The result was outstanding 
braking performance at a very reasonable price.

Buck Trippel


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joel Martin" <jmartiniii at yahoo.com>
To: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 9:48 AM
Subject: [Tigers] Brakes & Wheel Combinations


> 1966 MK1A - I am curious as to what after market brake and wheel 
> combinations
> people are using.
> B B B  B B B  B B B  B B B  B B B  I would like to go with a
> larger front disk & caliber and put disk brakes on the rear.
>
> Dale's
> restoration has 2 front kits and one rear kit available.
>
> 10008 Wilwood Front
> Brake and Vented Rotor Kit
> 10.5" Diameter RotorB  4 Piston Calipers.
> Includes
> custom mounting brackets and kevlar pads. $950.00B
>
> B B  Wilwood Front Brake
> and Vented Rotor Kit
> 12.19" Diameter RotorB  4 Piston Calipers.
> Includes
> custom mounting brackets and kevlar pads.
> Must use 15" or larger wheels.B
> $950.00B
>
> 10009B B  Rear disc brake kit Includes calipers, rotors, e-brake
> cables, brackets, kevlar pads and hardware - bolt on $850.00B
>
> These kits
> are pretty pricey but appear to have everything needed but use a 4 bolt 
> lug
> nut pattern.B  What are the other options for increasing the braking
> performance of the tiger?
>
> I would like to use one of the American Racing
> Wheels but they are 5 bolt lug nut pattern.
>
> American Racing Vintage Wheels
> Torq b Thrust II Classic Custom Offset Series CL 205 Gray
> http://www.customwheelsdirect.com/html/wheels_brand/wheel_detail.php?id=51879
> B or
> Torq Thrust Original Painted Machine Alloy Series # 309
> http://www.customwheelsdirect.com/html/wheels_brand/wheel_detail.php?id=36624
> &show=allB or
> Torq Thrust DB  Painted Machine Alloy Series # 105
> http://www.customwheelsdirect.com/html/wheels_brand/wheel_detail.php?id=42102
> What is the best overall size of wheels and tire commbinations to use 
> without
> having to modify the wheel lips?B  Original was 13 " rims.B  Going to 14 
> or 15
> ", width and tire sizes with knowing the wheel offsets to fit brake 
> package
> and still fit correctly in the wheel wells.B  Can you keep the same sizes
> front and rear?
>
> How in the world do you determine all of this?
>
> Thoughts,
> pictures, sizes, part numbers etc would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Joel
> Martin
> _______________________________________________

From Rollright at aol.com  Sun Feb 14 09:51:53 2010
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:51:53 EST
Subject: [Tigers] One wheeled vehicle
Message-ID: <1b6d3.62df490e.38a98429@aol.com>

Gentlemen:
 
Though not a Tiger item, I just reviewed the links below and must admit to  
never having heard of this fellow Charles Taylor. From the scenery in the 
movie  footage he appears to have done his work in (where else) California.
 
>From the ranks of the of the truly bizarre, I present a history and a movie 
 clip that had me staring with jaw dropped.
 
 
http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2009/06/07/charles-taylors-one-wheel-vehic
les/


_http://www.me.berkeley.edu/one_wheel_vehicle/Movie.htm_ 
(http://www.me.berkeley.edu/one_wheel_vehicle/Movie.htm) 
 
One wonders what lies undiscovered around the next  
corner........antigravity?  

Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE

From prbreuhan at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 14 10:52:42 2010
From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 12:52:42 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] One wheeled vehicle
In-Reply-To: <1b6d3.62df490e.38a98429@aol.com>
References: <1b6d3.62df490e.38a98429@aol.com>
Message-ID: <SNT111-W5BA6D8E0A41D625DF1944AA4B0@phx.gbl>

A local (to me) Michigan guy has made a modern day one-wheeler, actually a
couple.
He has been on tv before and nearly killed himself with his contraption...
http://www.mcleanmonocycle.com/
Paul


> From: Rollright at aol.com
> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:51:53 -0500
> To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net; bobyboston at aol.com; lee_farrell at sbcglobal.net;
rupertrich at yahoo.com; onegonefish at comcast.net
> Subject: [Tigers] One wheeled vehicle
>
> Gentlemen:
>
> Though not a Tiger item, I just reviewed the links below and must admit to
> never having heard of this fellow Charles Taylor. From the scenery in the
> movie  footage he appears to have done his work in (where else) California.
>
> >From the ranks of the of the truly bizarre, I present a history and a movie
>  clip that had me staring with jaw dropped.
>
>
>
http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2009/06/07/charles-taylors-one-wheel-vehic
> les/
>
>
> _http://www.me.berkeley.edu/one_wheel_vehicle/Movie.htm_
> (http://www.me.berkeley.edu/one_wheel_vehicle/Movie.htm)
>
> One wonders what lies undiscovered around the next
> corner........antigravity?
>
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A 382002083
> LRXFE


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From Rollright at aol.com  Sun Feb 14 17:27:36 2010
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 19:27:36 EST
Subject: [Tigers] inside a hardtop...darkly
Message-ID: <24d40.e8ac928.38a9eef8@aol.com>

Hello,
 
Gary and I got our hardtops painted and back to his shop. Its been so long  
(too long) since we disassembled them and we didn't photo the "taking 
apart".  How many times do I have to learn this lesson.......
 
We need help. Has anybody a selection of photos of the inside of the  
hardtop? First off, the finish of the slanted rear "buttresses" that make  the 
corner between the side and rear. After that, photos of the finished roof  
inside that show the leading edge and the end. We bought SS Rick's headliner 
kit  but it comes with no instructions. BTW: is there any insulation  between  
the liner and the inside to the steel top? There is precious little on 
hardtops  in the CAT Shop Notes. And I looked in Tigers United but I was  
unsuccessful.
 
I used the glass 1/4 windows from that chap in CA. Nice, I must say. Fit  
just right. And for the record, the pop rivets that hold the 1/4s together 
are  steel. The channels for the window appear to be a brass base with nickel  
only, or chrome plus nickel plating. My guess is just nickel.  They are 
neither stainless nor aluminum, and certainly not  ferrous.
 
Anybody?
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Feb 14 17:37:19 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:37:19 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] inside a hardtop...darkly
In-Reply-To: <24d40.e8ac928.38a9eef8@aol.com>
References: <24d40.e8ac928.38a9eef8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d86d088a1002141637wefdb953rc53b636bae719926@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure the hardtops have/had any insulation.. though i'd be inclined
to put some in.. i was discussing this yesterday while driving with one on..
i would spray the underside of the top with that rubberised sound deadening
to stop the vibration and then put some sort of light wadding/foam
insulation between the roof and the headliner.. you'll never see it but will
keep the top quieter and hopefully keep out some heat.

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Sun Feb 14 17:38:24 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 19:38:24 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] inside a hardtop...darkly
In-Reply-To: <24d40.e8ac928.38a9eef8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C79E01B0.EE1%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

I have the exact same dilemma.  I also removed the interior of my hardtop
some time ago without photographing it first and bought Sunbeam Specialties'
headliner with no instructions.  I have no clue how to put it back together
and would really appreciate detailed pictures so I can try to do it.  The
leading edge and the rear posts are the main concerns for me.  Thanks in
advance if someone would please help me too.  Cheers.  Mauro


On 2/14/10 7:27 PM, "Rollright at aol.com" <Rollright at aol.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>  
> Gary and I got our hardtops painted and back to his shop. Its been so long
> (too long) since we disassembled them and we didn't photo the "taking
> apart".  How many times do I have to learn this lesson.......
>  
> We need help. Has anybody a selection of photos of the inside of the
> hardtop? First off, the finish of the slanted rear "buttresses" that make  the
> corner between the side and rear. After that, photos of the finished roof
> inside that show the leading edge and the end. We bought SS Rick's headliner
> kit  but it comes with no instructions. BTW: is there any insulation  between
> the liner and the inside to the steel top? There is precious little on
> hardtops  in the CAT Shop Notes. And I looked in Tigers United but I was
> unsuccessful.
>  
> I used the glass 1/4 windows from that chap in CA. Nice, I must say. Fit
> just right. And for the record, the pop rivets that hold the 1/4s together
> are  steel. The channels for the window appear to be a brass base with nickel
> only, or chrome plus nickel plating. My guess is just nickel.  They are
> neither stainless nor aluminum, and certainly not  ferrous.
>  
> Anybody?
>  
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A 382002083
> LRXFE
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From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Sun Feb 14 17:54:11 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 19:54:11 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] inside a hardtop...darkly
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a1002141637wefdb953rc53b636bae719926@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C79E0563.EE4%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

I know mine had a square sheet of horsehair-like material glued to the
inside  of the top.  I presume this kept the top from droning...


On 2/14/10 7:37 PM, "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure the hardtops have/had any insulation.. though i'd be inclined
> to put some in.. i was discussing this yesterday while driving with one on..
> i would spray the underside of the top with that rubberised sound deadening
> to stop the vibration and then put some sort of light wadding/foam
> insulation between the roof and the headliner.. you'll never see it but will
> keep the top quieter and hopefully keep out some heat.

From dave at munroe.ca  Sun Feb 14 18:22:06 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:22:06 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] inside a hardtop...darkly
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a1002141637wefdb953rc53b636bae719926@mail.gmail.com>
References: <24d40.e8ac928.38a9eef8@aol.com>
	<d86d088a1002141637wefdb953rc53b636bae719926@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0432723D880C415880F8728BBDF4B261@DavePC>

Hah!

With the temperature hovering around zero outside my door right now, I would 
be insulating too....but not to keep the heat out.......   (O:)

Dave

Michael said:

"I would spray the underside of the top with that rubberized sound deadening
to stop the vibration and then put some sort of light wadding/foam
insulation between the roof and the headliner.. you'll never see it but will
keep the top quieter and hopefully keep out some heat.
" 

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Feb 14 18:24:32 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:24:32 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] inside a hardtop...darkly
In-Reply-To: <0432723D880C415880F8728BBDF4B261@DavePC>
References: <24d40.e8ac928.38a9eef8@aol.com>
	<d86d088a1002141637wefdb953rc53b636bae719926@mail.gmail.com>
	<0432723D880C415880F8728BBDF4B261@DavePC>
Message-ID: <d86d088a1002141724h42d83991t1f13305f6740431b@mail.gmail.com>

Hey.. heat out.. heat in.. here it was 40deg C (100+) in your scale.. either
way.. less sound and keeping the heat out/in depending on whats generating
it (the sun or your heater) i think its a worthwhile thing to do.

On 15 February 2010 12:22, Dave Munroe <dave at munroe.ca> wrote:

> Hah!
>
> With the temperature hovering around zero outside my door right now, I
> would be insulating too....but not to keep the heat out.......   (O:)
>
> Dave
>
> Michael said:
>
> "I would spray the underside of the top with that rubberized sound
> deadening
>
> to stop the vibration and then put some sort of light wadding/foam
> insulation between the roof and the headliner.. you'll never see it but
> will
> keep the top quieter and hopefully keep out some heat.
> "
>



-- 
Regards

Michael King

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Feb 14 18:32:03 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:32:03 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] inside a hardtop...darkly
In-Reply-To: <C79E01B0.EE1%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <D1EEC1DDA29E473BBDE6F7703BEAC9EA@ronpc1>

Mauro and Jim

	I used some of that silvered plastic bubble sheet insulation between
the top and the liner.   Although I don't think there is a need to sound
deaden the top, it can't hurt.

	OK, you both keep the liner you pulled out, RIGHT?   I'll state this
again; never ever throw a Tiger part out, it is your only link to that part
and how it was installed.

	I was going to replace my headliner with one I purchased from CAT.
I inspected my original and found it had black dots on the headline and the
CAT material was perforated.  I believe both are correct but my original was
in fairly good shape and cleaned up with the use of some Blech-wite side
wall cleaner.

	Also I quickly discovered that you really need the original
headliner for a pattern which also drove me to restore the original
material.   There is an order to the bows for the headliner too.  You made a
note of which color was where?

Here is a note I sent to the List in 1998.

I found this info in a CAT newsletter   Volume 10 -  #7.

    Headliner bows front to rear;

	Blue
	Unmarked
	Red
	Yellow

   Since my headliner was out, I  also checked those bows.

	Blue
	Green
	Red
	Yellow

   I hope this is correct .

The rear Plexi needs to be assembled before placing on the top.   Put the
rear window in the weather-strip, install the SS trim then put it on the
hard top.

I can try and get some pictures tomorrow.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 7:38 PM
To: Rollright at aol.com; tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] inside a hardtop...darkly


I have the exact same dilemma.  I also removed the interior of my hardtop
some time ago without photographing it first and bought Sunbeam Specialties'
headliner with no instructions.  I have no clue how to put it back together
and would really appreciate detailed pictures so I can try to do it.  The
leading edge and the rear posts are the main concerns for me.  Thanks in
advance if someone would please help me too.  Cheers.  Mauro


On 2/14/10 7:27 PM, "Rollright at aol.com" <Rollright at aol.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Gary and I got our hardtops painted and back to his shop. Its been so
> long (too long) since we disassembled them and we didn't photo the
> "taking apart".  How many times do I have to learn this lesson.......
>
> We need help. Has anybody a selection of photos of the inside of the
> hardtop? First off, the finish of the slanted rear "buttresses" that
> make  the corner between the side and rear. After that, photos of the
> finished roof inside that show the leading edge and the end. We bought
> SS Rick's headliner kit  but it comes with no instructions. BTW: is
> there any insulation  between the liner and the inside to the steel
> top? There is precious little on hardtops  in the CAT Shop Notes. And
> I looked in Tigers United but I was unsuccessful.
>
> I used the glass 1/4 windows from that chap in CA. Nice, I must say.
> Fit just right. And for the record, the pop rivets that hold the 1/4s
> together are  steel. The channels for the window appear to be a brass
> base with nickel only, or chrome plus nickel plating. My guess is just
> nickel.  They are neither stainless nor aluminum, and certainly not
> ferrous.
>
> Anybody?
>
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A 382002083
> LRXFE
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From dave at munroe.ca  Sun Feb 14 18:43:57 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 21:43:57 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] inside a hardtop...darkly
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Hey Mike:

I'm with you!

Just an illustration of how varied the conditions are for we Tiger owners who live all over the place. Insulation is always a good thing no matter where you live...

Dave


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: michael king 
  To: Dave Munroe 
  Cc: Rollright at aol.com ; tigers at autox.team.net 
  Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] inside a hardtop...darkly


  Hey.. heat out.. heat in.. here it was 40deg C (100+) in your scale.. either way.. less sound and keeping the heat out/in depending on whats generating it (the sun or your heater) i think its a worthwhile thing to do.


  On 15 February 2010 12:22, Dave Munroe <dave at munroe.ca> wrote:

    Hah!

    With the temperature hovering around zero outside my door right now, I would be insulating too....but not to keep the heat out.......   (O:)

    Dave

    Michael said:

    "I would spray the underside of the top with that rubberized sound deadening 

    to stop the vibration and then put some sort of light wadding/foam
    insulation between the roof and the headliner.. you'll never see it but will
    keep the top quieter and hopefully keep out some heat.
    " 




  -- 
  Regards

  Michael King

From fastsage at cox.net  Sun Feb 14 18:58:54 2010
From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:58:54 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] inside a hardtop...darkly
In-Reply-To: <D1EEC1DDA29E473BBDE6F7703BEAC9EA@ronpc1>
References: <D1EEC1DDA29E473BBDE6F7703BEAC9EA@ronpc1>
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When I had my Tiger hardtop rust repaired last year I installed some 
thick foam installation on the hardtop above the headliner. I also had 
the windows tinted; the back and "flipper" windows at 60% tint and the 
door windows at 40% tint. It made a big difference in interior 
temperatures last summer and improved my Tiger air conditioning from 
blowing pretty cool most of the time, to icy cold even in 100+ degree 
weather. My wife Jane's main complaint on our travels in the Tiger last 
summer was "It's too cold in here". Music to my ears!

As for the roof insulation, I missed installing the insulation on about 
three inches just behind the front of the hard top. In very hot weather 
if you push the headliner up to the uninsulated section, it's so hot you 
can barely keep your hand there. Just behind that where it's insulated, 
it's nice and cool.

If you do decide to do the window tint, which definitely helps a lot 
too, most tint shops will tell you that you can't tint plexiglass. I 
just kept calling until a shop said they could, they did, and it came 
out great.

Steve Sage





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From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Sun Feb 14 20:09:48 2010
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (slaifman at socal.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 3:09:48 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Today's the Day!
In-Reply-To: <4B78AA5E.3010300@cox.net>
Message-ID: <20100215030948.FMR7C.553524.root@cdptpa-web11-z02>

Regardless of your religion, gender, or marital status, this is a day for lovers everywhere.

Here is wishing you, and yours, a very meaningful day of happiness with your soul mate.

The Bird's are singing and the sun is shining(at least out here), and celebrate your loved one.

Remember, it takes two happy people, deeply in love, to make this day the special celebration that it is.


Steve

From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Sun Feb 14 20:31:05 2010
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (slaifman at socal.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 3:31:05 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] inside a hardtop...darkly
In-Reply-To: <4B78AA5E.3010300@cox.net>
Message-ID: <20100215033105.WTWT3.553714.root@cdptpa-web11-z02>

My personal experience is in refinishing a Mk I hardtop.  It needed to match the original #86 Green, and get up to grade.  I, too, bought the headliner from SS, and it fit beautifully.  The rubber quarter window seals less so.  

I did find original fiberglass fibers in panel shape under the original head liner.  It could last forever, but the adhesive could not.  It was all removed and sound deadening rubberized 12" tiles, with a peel-off paper covering adhesive (available at major trade automotive paint suppliers, and custom auto parts stores, were cut to fit the available panel space and stuck to the inside.  Really did a good job on road noise, wind noise, and that BIG BOOMING SUV that always seems to be next to me.  Oh yes, it does a good job of thermal protection as well. Keeping heat in, and out, as it's task.

A word of advise.  My hard top was a Mk I A, or Mk II that uses a single piece of rubber seal along the entire bottom surface.  The top seals very well, and yet some movement is allowed, being accepted by deformation of the rubber - not scrapping the paint.  To wear belts and suspenders I purchase some clear vinyl sheet, as used in "meatballs", and available at signage supply houses.  I marked it to match the outline of the top, both sides and back, in one piece and put it on with clear water.  Any rubbing will be taken up by the vinyl, not the paint. There are additional rubber corner differences, but the originals f this design can be replaced (if unavailable) with cut down Mk I pieces (if they are available!.  SS may have access to these - get the later versions.  The rubber foam bottom is simple in design, and is also probably available.  

No more scrubbing of the paint with those left-over Mack Truck mud flaps!

Steve

From cmccann at lwpb.com  Mon Feb 15 08:08:56 2010
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:08:56 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Apline Body at Pick N Pull
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	<E1Nfcs3-0001aY-6X@elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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All,

 a few days ago I posted a comment in passing regarding a rumor that I had
heard that Canada legislation was forcing the impound and even in some cases
the destruction of some cars that didn't meet some standards of economics or
something...I had been passed that information from what I thought at the time
was a reliable source, but it turns out between comments from people on the
list and a bit of personal research, it's just a rumor and holds no merit. I
was contacted by one of our Canadian listers who asked that I set this
straight....so please disregard my previous statement. Buy up those projects
from up north without fear!

Cullen





"......I keep hearing though that there is some legislation in canada
right now where the govt has the power to seize non-domestic cars to be
destroyed or something. And I hear that they arent letting them across the
border, but my info may be inaccurate.

Cullen......."

From cmccann at lwpb.com  Mon Feb 15 08:15:46 2010
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 09:15:46 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Injection
In-Reply-To: <001901caac50$3386bdb0$9a943910$@net.au>
References: <001901caac50$3386bdb0$9a943910$@net.au>
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BD5A888DB@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

Wally,

I have a family member here in Oklahoma that installs these systems on street
rods...and has had very good luck with them. It's my understanding that they
are easy to tune, simple to install and offer great performance. He sells the
product for the same case that is listed here, including the fuel management
system and everything needed to run...he really likes the setup and it seems
to work good for anyone who wants the reliability and performance of fuel
injection, but with a traditional carbureted look. Also, since its based off a
traditional carb style intake, there is minimal conversion issues.

That's about all I know, but I hear good things about it..

Cullen




To: Tiger's List
Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Injection

Anyone out there fitted a Powerjection III fuel injection system to their
Tiger? It looks just like a 4 barrel carb and is very neat, minimal wiring
and simple set-up. Looks like a few of the Mustang and Cobra guys have used
it.



Link below shows it.



http://www.professional-products.com/EFI_3.php

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Feb 15 08:54:47 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:54:47 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Injection
In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BD5A888DB@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>
Message-ID: <E07C00B137A0414A8C99594E7F5A8303@ronpc1>

	You need to look for the learn as you go systems.  The earlier
systems needed a PC to tune the system.
The newer EFI is using the learn as you go system.   There should be a user
interface with the unit that lets you scroll through initial parameters and
then the system tunes itself as you drive.

I'm simply relaying information I have seen in Hot Rod Magazine.  I have no
experience with any of these systems.

Clearance to the firewall seems to be the only real issue.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Cullen McCann
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:16 AM
To: Wally Menke; Tiger's List
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Injection


Wally,

I have a family member here in Oklahoma that installs these systems on
street rods...and has had very good luck with them. It's my understanding
that they are easy to tune, simple to install and offer great performance.
He sells the product for the same case that is listed here, including the
fuel management system and everything needed to run...he really likes the
setup and it seems to work good for anyone who wants the reliability and
performance of fuel injection, but with a traditional carbureted look. Also,
since its based off a traditional carb style intake, there is minimal
conversion issues.

That's about all I know, but I hear good things about it..

Cullen




To: Tiger's List
Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Injection

Anyone out there fitted a Powerjection III fuel injection system to their
Tiger? It looks just like a 4 barrel carb and is very neat, minimal wiring
and simple set-up. Looks like a few of the Mustang and Cobra guys have used
it.



Link below shows it.



http://www.professional-products.com/EFI_3.php
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From tsmit at shaw.ca  Mon Feb 15 10:17:24 2010
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:17:24 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Injection
In-Reply-To: <E07C00B137A0414A8C99594E7F5A8303@ronpc1>
References: <E07C00B137A0414A8C99594E7F5A8303@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <4B7981A4.5060202@shaw.ca>

Ron, and Cullen,
The Powerjection, like my BossEFI, has a learning mode. It uses a heated 
oxygen sensor and PLX O2 sensor module and feeds its output back to the 
controller.

A downside of the BossEFI system is that while the fuel map is finely 
quantized over RPM and manifold pressure (it has bins for every 300 RPM 
and every 2 inches of vacuum), the feedback mapping is coarsely 
quantized (there is one bin for idle, RPM ranges are 
0-1900,1900-3000,3000-4500 and 4500-redline, and there are only 5 
manifold pressure bins). The problem with that is, if you have a couple 
of points in the base map that are wrong, the feedback compensation will 
fix it but then it changes the compensation factor for a broad range of 
engine operation, and it causes a big shift in the mixture when you 
enter an adjacent bin. The system also appears to not do much 
interpolation between adjacent points (other than for RPM) so with a 
mixture gauge connected to the PLX you can clearly see it change from 
one bin to the next if you have a big step in the base map.

So you need to start with a fuel map that at least generally reflects 
the overall demand curve from your engine, and THEN the self-learning 
will allow it to tune itself as you drive.

The BossEFI does come with a datalogging feature that I haven't yet 
fully explored, but I think that it will be a fairly important tool. It 
shows the input parameters (RPM, temp, throttle, vacuum) and the output 
pulse width as well as the O2 sensor reading. The plan would be to turn 
off the feedback, do some RPM sweeps at various intake manifold pressure 
levels, and see where the holes are.

Cheers,
Theo

Ron Fraser wrote:
> 	You need to look for the learn as you go systems.  The earlier
> systems needed a PC to tune the system.
> The newer EFI is using the learn as you go system.   There should be a user
> interface with the unit that lets you scroll through initial parameters and
> then the system tunes itself as you drive.
>
> I'm simply relaying information I have seen in Hot Rod Magazine.  I have no
> experience with any of these systems.
>
> Clearance to the firewall seems to be the only real issue.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Cullen McCann
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:16 AM
> To: Wally Menke; Tiger's List
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Injection

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Mon Feb 15 11:37:10 2010
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:37:10 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Injection
In-Reply-To: <4B7981A4.5060202@shaw.ca>
References: <E07C00B137A0414A8C99594E7F5A8303@ronpc1>
	<4B7981A4.5060202@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <000401caae6d$e2aa4b80$a7fee280$@rr.com>

No way would I go there again!

I had a 1985 BMW with a 3.5L that I turbocharged.  I removed the stock EFI
system and installed a Eletromitive Tec3 system that was completely tunable
via a laptop.  It had data logging that I used extensively.  The problem
with this type of system is that you can always make changes to "improve"
things....you NEVER have it good enough and are constantly tuning it.  Being
able to tune the spark advance, fuel delivery, boost, water injection and
many other parameters each with a 16 X 16 datapoint map is not always a good
thing.

I am very happy with my dizzy and 4100 thank you.

Duke
B382002037 

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Theo Smit
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:17 AM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com
Cc: 'Cullen McCann'; 'Tiger's List'
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Injection

Ron, and Cullen,
The Powerjection, like my BossEFI, has a learning mode. It uses a heated 
oxygen sensor and PLX O2 sensor module and feeds its output back to the 
controller.

A downside of the BossEFI system is that while the fuel map is finely 
quantized over RPM and manifold pressure (it has bins for every 300 RPM 
and every 2 inches of vacuum), the feedback mapping is coarsely 
quantized (there is one bin for idle, RPM ranges are 
0-1900,1900-3000,3000-4500 and 4500-redline, and there are only 5 
manifold pressure bins). The problem with that is, if you have a couple 
of points in the base map that are wrong, the feedback compensation will 
fix it but then it changes the compensation factor for a broad range of 
engine operation, and it causes a big shift in the mixture when you 
enter an adjacent bin. The system also appears to not do much 
interpolation between adjacent points (other than for RPM) so with a 
mixture gauge connected to the PLX you can clearly see it change from 
one bin to the next if you have a big step in the base map.

So you need to start with a fuel map that at least generally reflects 
the overall demand curve from your engine, and THEN the self-learning 
will allow it to tune itself as you drive.

The BossEFI does come with a datalogging feature that I haven't yet 
fully explored, but I think that it will be a fairly important tool. It 
shows the input parameters (RPM, temp, throttle, vacuum) and the output 
pulse width as well as the O2 sensor reading. The plan would be to turn 
off the feedback, do some RPM sweeps at various intake manifold pressure 
levels, and see where the holes are.

Cheers,
Theo

Ron Fraser wrote:
> 	You need to look for the learn as you go systems.  The earlier
> systems needed a PC to tune the system.
> The newer EFI is using the learn as you go system.   There should be a
user
> interface with the unit that lets you scroll through initial parameters
and
> then the system tunes itself as you drive.
>
> I'm simply relaying information I have seen in Hot Rod Magazine.  I have
no
> experience with any of these systems.
>
> Clearance to the firewall seems to be the only real issue.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Cullen McCann
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:16 AM
> To: Wally Menke; Tiger's List
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel Injection
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From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Mon Feb 15 12:12:42 2010
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:12:42 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] One wheeled vehicle
In-Reply-To: <1b6d3.62df490e.38a98429@aol.com>
References: <1b6d3.62df490e.38a98429@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7D281FD5119C49C0B1637BB2E8547C54@jerry>

I always enjoy seeing things like that where people are thinking "outside
the box".
An additional note near the bottom of that clip there is a reference to a
Haybusa SR8 V8 engine, 372HP 10,000RPM, very small, think of the room you
would have around that engine in a Tiger or better yet an alpine, hmmmm.  

Jerry Christopherson
9473187

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:52 AM
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net; bobyboston at aol.com; lee_farrell at sbcglobal.net;
rupertrich at yahoo.com; onegonefish at comcast.net
Subject: [Tigers] One wheeled vehicle

Gentlemen:
 
Though not a Tiger item, I just reviewed the links below and must admit to  
never having heard of this fellow Charles Taylor. From the scenery in the 
movie  footage he appears to have done his work in (where else) California.
 
>From the ranks of the of the truly bizarre, I present a history and a movie

 clip that had me staring with jaw dropped.
 
 
http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2009/06/07/charles-taylors-one-wheel-vehic
les/


_http://www.me.berkeley.edu/one_wheel_vehicle/Movie.htm_ 
(http://www.me.berkeley.edu/one_wheel_vehicle/Movie.htm) 
 
One wonders what lies undiscovered around the next  
corner........antigravity?  

Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE
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From BKSchonb at usi.edu  Mon Feb 15 12:57:07 2010
From: BKSchonb at usi.edu (Schonberger, Barry K)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:57:07 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] FORD Part # for short oil filter adaptor
Message-ID: <E1BCBAA133BF824F99E9BC9B3CC610B5288A1400@ExchMail.usi.edu>

Anyone have the FORD part number for the block adaptor for use with the short
oil filter and headers? Thanks

Barry

From spook01 at comcast.net  Mon Feb 15 13:04:41 2010
From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01 at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:04:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] FORD Part # for short oil filter adaptor
In-Reply-To: <E1BCBAA133BF824F99E9BC9B3CC610B5288A1400@ExchMail.usi.edu>
Message-ID: <1465793943.4259261266264281651.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

and, who sells the mild steel headers?
ray
B 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry K Schonberger" <BKSchonb at usi.edu>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 1:57:07 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Tigers] FORD Part # for short oil filter adaptor

Anyone have the FORD part number for the block adaptor for use with the short
oil filter and headers? Thanks

Barry
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Feb 15 13:59:14 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:59:14 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] FORD Part # for short oil filter adaptor
In-Reply-To: <E1BCBAA133BF824F99E9BC9B3CC610B5288A1400@ExchMail.usi.edu>
Message-ID: <7CCAE1D0360D4A66BC61C00C63799B00@ronpc1>

Barry
	I believe C9AZ-6890-A is the Ford part number.

Ron Fraser

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On Behalf Of Schonberger, Barry K
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 2:57 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] FORD Part # for short oil filter adaptor


Anyone have the FORD part number for the block adaptor for use with the
short oil filter and headers? Thanks

Barry
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From zimme008 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 15 14:55:02 2010
From: zimme008 at yahoo.com (Randy Zimmermann)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:55:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Radio Faceplate Material
Message-ID: <54019.31743.qm@web56406.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Does anyone have a source or suggestion for the ribbed aluminum faceplate
on the underdash LAT radio fixture?   I would like to fabricate a new one; the
one I have is pretty beat up.  Thanks.

Randy Z.
Tiger MkIa 382002349 

From RSSmithIQ at cs.com  Mon Feb 15 14:55:00 2010
From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:55:00 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] FORD Part # for short oil filter adaptor
In-Reply-To: <7CCAE1D0360D4A66BC61C00C63799B00@ronpc1>
References: <7CCAE1D0360D4A66BC61C00C63799B00@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <4B79C2B4.90608@cs.com>

Barry-

Here's the link to the Tigers United website with all the info.

*http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/Dealer_Accessories/mp-FilterAdapter3.asp

-Randy
*
On 2/15/2010 3:59 PM,  Ron Fraser wrote:
> Barry
>      I believe C9AZ-6890-A is the Ford part number.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> ___________________________
> Anyone have the FORD part number for the block adaptor for use with the
> short oil filter and headers? Thanks
>
> Barry
>    
-- 

Randy Smith
INNER QUEST, Inc.
34752 Charles Town Pike
Purcellville, VA  20132
703-478-1078
540-668-6699
540-668-6253 fax

InnerQuestOnline.com <http://www.innerquestonline.com/>
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Tiger- B382000189

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Feb 15 22:24:43 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:24:43 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] racing tigers
Message-ID: <d86d088a1002152124xaf61483n5b3f537058751949@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_ZcHPN2QJU

watch at 1.40 and 2.09

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From tym2 at comcast.net  Wed Feb 17 07:36:43 2010
From: tym2 at comcast.net (tym2 at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:36:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] manifold
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Tigers, 


Is anyone out there using an Edelbrock RPM air-gap manifold? 
I'm thinking of switching from my Performer and am wondering if the RPM air-gap will fit. 


Thanks, 


Tym McDowell 

From CoolVT at aol.com  Wed Feb 17 08:53:45 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:53:45 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Air gag intake
Message-ID: <83ba.51800cb8.38ad6b09@aol.com>

Tym,
That's what I used. With the proper spacers under the engine it cleared the 
 hood with stock air cleaner by something like 1/4"  BUT, my Edelbrock carb 
was perking the gas when shut down and it  was hard to restart.  I ordered 
a carb heat spacer from Edelbrock (.33"  thick)  and then the hood hit the 
stock air cleaner. 
I can't get rid of the carb spacer so I am running with the hood propped  
open.  I have an old Alpine hood that I plan to build some kind of a scoop  
into to clear the stock air cleaner.
So, in short if you use the air gap  you are gambling.  If you  have the 
perking problem and have to get a spacer you might hit and either find  a 
scoop that works or remove the spacers under the engine which might cause the  
fan to  hit the steering rack.
If I was to do it over I would not use the air gap for the above reasons.  
Unless someone is racing they will never be able to tell the difference from 
 that and another intake. I guess it looks neat:-)
Mark L

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Wed Feb 17 10:28:13 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:28:13 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Air gag intake
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I looked up some of the manifold heights. For those that don't know, the "way
it's done" is that you lay a straightedge along the carburetor flange, and
then measure the perpendicular distance from the ruler down to the front and
rear block valley flanges on the manifold. 'A' is the front measurement, and
'B' is the rear, in inches. The carb pad is assumed to be midway between these
measurements, and the difference between A and B gives an indication of how
much tilt is designed into the manifold.

Stock: I dunno. I expect it would be similar to the Performer 289 listed
below.

          F4B: A = 4.563 B = 5.313
Performer 289: A = 3.5   B = 4.75   This is a basic 'low-rise' manifold.
Performer 302: A = 3.13  B = 4.31   Even more low-rise.
Performer 302 RPM: A = 4.3 B = 5.5
Performer RPM Air Gap: A = 4.3 B = 5.5

So we can see that the F4B is actually a pretty tall manifold, and it has less
tilt on the carb than other manifolds too. Based on that I'd expect that if
you could fit a particular carb/air cleaner combination on an F4B, it should
definitely fit on a Performer RPM or air gap manifold.

Another option would be to see if the carb flange on the manifold could be
milled down. You'd have to be careful that all of the carb ancillaries would
still clear the manifold runners, but your spacer automatically gives you a
bunch more clearance there.

Theo




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From Rollright at aol.com  Wed Feb 17 12:46:21 2010
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:46:21 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Through a hardtop, darkly - instructions and extra material
Message-ID: <10c69.92e8a4d.38ada18d@aol.com>

Hello,
 
So, I called Rick at SS and asked him if there were any instructions to  go 
with the fabric kit for the headliner, and in his usual droll joking  way, 
he said that I was slandering him on the LIST. I've known Rick for 33  
years, been to his shop at least two time and really enjoy him and his wit. I  
said something to the effect that others are in the same situation: they  
disassemble, time goes by, the top gets painted, and by the time one gets around 
 to putting the liner in, you've forgotten what little you knew about the  
project. At any rate, he said he had only done it once (begging off I guess) 
but  did say that a steamer was really needed at the end of the install. We 
need  a C.A.T. shop note on this one.
- I said fine to the above, fair enough, it is what it is. BUT...what is  
that extra piece of fabric for,  that is of headliner material but not  
shaped, sewn, or anything. He reported that the company that makes the headliner  
usually throws this in for doing sun visors on other types of cars (ex. 
Chevys).  Rick indicated that this was totally incorrect for Sunbeams but it is 
what they  do.....   So, that's what that material is for.
 
Yours for the sport,
 
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A  382002083
LRXFE

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Feb 17 16:09:24 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:09:24 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] tach help
Message-ID: <d86d088a1002171509h6061346dnbed65a92397455d0@mail.gmail.com>

A few weeks back someone (maybe tom hall) posted a part number for a module
that you use with the multi pulse elec igntion systems to get the tach to
work.. i cant find it.. anyone save that?

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From dave at munroe.ca  Wed Feb 17 17:13:31 2010
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:13:31 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] tach help
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Hi Michael;

I don't remember that thread, but I have an MSD Tach adaptor on my car. 
Works great, not expensive, looks cool. msd tach adapter # 8910, $39 U.S. 
from Summit Racing.

Photo attached. (Sorry to the rest of the list you won't be able to see the 
photo.)

-Dave


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Subject: [Tigers] tach help


>A few weeks back someone (maybe tom hall) posted a part number for a module
> that you use with the multi pulse elec igntion systems to get the tach to
> work.. i cant find it.. anyone save that?
>
> -- 
> Regards
>
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Feb 17 17:23:49 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:23:49 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] tach help
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Michael
	I don't know about a post 2 weeks ago but here is one the Mike
Michels posted 2  years ago.
Maybe it will help.
Ron Fraser


Hello, List.

SInce joining the Tiger owner ranks I have come to greatly appreciate the
help and expertise from members of the list. I hope the following
information serves to return the favors in a small way.

Since I have an MSD breakerless distributor (but without the multiple
discharge electronics box), I recently had my original style tach rebuilt by
MoMa, who installed a modern VDO movement and electronics. Unfortunately,
when I installed it, it behaved quite erratically: it read at least double
correct RPM when major electrical accessories such as lights, blower or turn
blinkers were switched on. And above about 3000 RPM, it completely lost
track and went berserk. WIth no electrical accessories, it did read
approximately correct at idle speeds, but not consistently.

After  discussion with helpful folks at MoMa and MSD, I was able to get it
resolved. MSD sent me several parts to try, free of charge. If these didn't
work, they recommended their tach converter, which costs about $60.
Fortunately, two simple components they sent did the job:

Connect in series between the coil negative and the tach trigger input lead:

1) a 10k ohm, 1/2 watt carbon resistor and
2) a 1N5818 Switching Diode. MSD recommended to try the cathode (striped
end) toward the coil, but to reverse it if this didn't work. Cathode toward
the coil worked

WIth these two parts, my tach works perfectly.

I hope this may be of  help to others with MSD or other types of electronic
ignitions.

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Subject: [Tigers] tach help


A few weeks back someone (maybe tom hall) posted a part number for a module
that you use with the multi pulse elec igntion systems to get the tach to
work.. i cant find it.. anyone save that?

--
Regards

Michael King
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Feb 17 17:44:56 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:44:56 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Through a hardtop,
 darkly - instructions and extra  material
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Jim
	I know exactly what you mean.  I disassembled my hard top around
1982 and it did not go back together until just before the BIG SKY, SUNI.
Started with primer sloshed around the inner panels, then it sat, needed
sheet metal work, then it sat, needed paint, then it sat, needed assembly
but it mostly sat.
	I was going to replace the headliner with the kit from CAT but I did
not like the perforated material and stayed with the original liner.  The
new liner looked like a nightmare at the time to install; so I know your
pain. The original liner had all the folds, creases and glue lines for a
guide.  The original liner went back in fairly easily.
	I wish I had taken photos and made notes but I did not.   A friend
of mine has a hard top that needs restoration.   I will try to document that
procedure when he gets around to it.  Don't hold your breath on a completion
date.

	Anyone out there with a hard top that needs restoration; now is the
time to step up and document the full procedure from tear down to final
assembly.

Ron Fraser

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Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:46 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Through a hardtop, darkly - instructions and extra
material


Hello,

So, I called Rick at SS and asked him if there were any instructions to  go
with the fabric kit for the headliner, and in his usual droll joking  way,
he said that I was slandering him on the LIST. I've known Rick for 33
years, been to his shop at least two time and really enjoy him and his wit.
I
said something to the effect that others are in the same situation: they
disassemble, time goes by, the top gets painted, and by the time one gets
around
 to putting the liner in, you've forgotten what little you knew about the
project. At any rate, he said he had only done it once (begging off I guess)

but  did say that a steamer was really needed at the end of the install. We
need  a C.A.T. shop note on this one.
- I said fine to the above, fair enough, it is what it is. BUT...what is
that extra piece of fabric for,  that is of headliner material but not
shaped, sewn, or anything. He reported that the company that makes the
headliner
usually throws this in for doing sun visors on other types of cars (ex.
Chevys).  Rick indicated that this was totally incorrect for Sunbeams but it
is
what they  do.....   So, that's what that material is for.

Yours for the sport,


Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A  382002083
LRXFE
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From modtiger at comcast.net  Wed Feb 17 22:32:17 2010
From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:32:17 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] tach help
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  m>
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Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20100217211843.05870800@comcast.net>

At 03:09 PM 2/17/2010, you wrote:
>A few weeks back someone (maybe tom hall) posted a part number for a module
>that you use with the multi pulse elec igntion systems to get the tach to
>work.. i cant find it.. anyone save that?
>Regards, Michael King

Theo and I offer a PCB that replaces 100% of the electronics in the 
OEM Tach and allows it to work with all known aftermarket ignitions 
using their 5 volt pulse signal.  I don't know how well the MSD 
works, as I've never tried one.  One of the things the MSD unit can't 
do is fix the 40 year old electronics in the OEM Tach instrument.  If 
your Tach works great under all conditions, the MSD adapter should 
fill the bill.  If however your tach exhibits the common temperature 
sensitivity and other odd assorted problems, the replacement board we 
offer is a more permanent long term solution.  We also offer the 
calibration service to go with the board so that when you get it 
back, it reads correctly (or as accurate as the mechanical movement 
allows).  Contact Theo ("Theo Smit"  <theo.smit at dynastream.com>) or I 
for further information.


Tom Hall
ModTiger Engineering LLC
www.tigerengineering.net

From garywinblad at comcast.net  Thu Feb 18 07:14:08 2010
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:14:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] tach help
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Theo's kit works great with the MSD box, you use the "Tach Out" and use
the "Voltage trigger" (a new wire from your rebuilt tach).

Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Hall 
To: michael king 
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:32:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] tach help

At 03:09 PM 2/17/2010, you wrote:
>A few weeks back someone (maybe tom hall) posted a part number for a module
>that you use with the multi pulse elec igntion systems to get the tach to
>work.. i cant find it.. anyone save that?
>Regards, Michael King

Theo and I offer a PCB that replaces 100% of the electronics in the 
OEM Tach and allows it to work with all known aftermarket ignitions 
using their 5 volt pulse signal.  I don't know how well the MSD 
works, as I've never tried one.  One of the things the MSD unit can't 
do is fix the 40 year old electronics in the OEM Tach instrument.  If 
your Tach works great under all conditions, the MSD adapter should 
fill the bill.  If however your tach exhibits the common temperature 
sensitivity and other odd assorted problems, the replacement board we 
offer is a more permanent long term solution.  We also offer the 
calibration service to go with the board so that when you get it 
back, it reads correctly (or as accurate as the mechanical movement 
allows).  Contact Theo ("Theo Smit"  ) or I 
for further information.


Tom Hall
ModTiger Engineering LLC
www.tigerengineering.net

From lpaulick at comcast.net  Thu Feb 18 08:46:33 2010
From: lpaulick at comcast.net (Larry Paulick)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:46:33 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] tach help
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20100217211843.05870800@comcast.net>
References: <d86d088a1002171509h6061346dnbed65a92397455d0@mail.gmail.com>
	<7.0.0.16.2.20100217211843.05870800@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4B7D60D9.3010407@comcast.net>

This "Fix" really works.  I tried to use a MSD adapter, rebuilt the 
tach, etc, etc. and even tried to covert a modern tac to fit inside the 
original unit.

Long story short this is the best and final solution for an accurate tac 
in its original body and face.

Larry

Tom Hall wrote:
> At 03:09 PM 2/17/2010, you wrote:
>   
>> A few weeks back someone (maybe tom hall) posted a part number for a module
>> that you use with the multi pulse elec igntion systems to get the tach to
>> work.. i cant find it.. anyone save that?
>> Regards, Michael King
>>     
>
> Theo and I offer a PCB that replaces 100% of the electronics in the 
> OEM Tach and allows it to work with all known aftermarket ignitions 
> using their 5 volt pulse signal.  I don't know how well the MSD 
> works, as I've never tried one.  One of the things the MSD unit can't 
> do is fix the 40 year old electronics in the OEM Tach instrument.  If 
> your Tach works great under all conditions, the MSD adapter should 
> fill the bill.  If however your tach exhibits the common temperature 
> sensitivity and other odd assorted problems, the replacement board we 
> offer is a more permanent long term solution.  We also offer the 
> calibration service to go with the board so that when you get it 
> back, it reads correctly (or as accurate as the mechanical movement 
> allows).  Contact Theo ("Theo Smit"  <theo.smit at dynastream.com>) or I 
> for further information.
>
>
> Tom Hall
> ModTiger Engineering LLC
> www.tigerengineering.net
> _______________________________________________

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Thu Feb 18 13:03:13 2010
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:03:13 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tach Help
Message-ID: <4B7D9D01.9080405@roadrunner.com>

Tom Hall and Theo Smit have put together a wonderful bit of electronics, 
as others have said, to make the original tach in your Tiger work well 
and reliably.  If you need a tach with a bit more range, you can get one 
from a Series IV Alpine and use its face to replace the one in the stock 
tach.  The lettering on the face matches that on the MkI and MkIA Tigers 
and it reads to 6000 with a red line at 5500.  It looks correct except 
for the small lettering which reads 4 cyl, positive earth, which is 
hardly noticeable.  Only a purist or Jim Armstrong would object.  For a 
MkII Tiger, you can use a Series V Alpine tach to match the font.  The 
small lettering reads 4 cyl, negative earth.  You could probably get a 
rub-on numeral '8' to make it look even more proper.  The Series V 
Alpine tach reads to 7000 with a red line at 6000.  What makes the face 
switching possible is the board that Tom and Theo provide.  Using the 
PCB, they can calibrate your tach to read correctly with any of the 
above-mentioned faces, or they can calibrate the Alpine tach to work on 
your Tiger.  My Tiger has its original 260, albeit with a hipo cam and a 
Pertronix setup in an old Mallory YL dual point distributor, so 5500 is 
a nice, useful red line.

Cheers,

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 18 13:38:31 2010
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:38:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tach Help
In-Reply-To: <4B7D9D01.9080405@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <916070.11551.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

To add to Tods post. Daddy Tiger aka Paul Breuhan (prbreuhan at hotmail.com) can
fix the fonts on the face of the tach to appear stock and say 8cylinder,
negative earth etc etc- you would have to ask but he might be abe to change
the face to whatever redline you desire BUT he has to respond to that thought.
His work is excellent and his prices more than fair. This would be a
discussion to be had with Tom or Theo on what their electronics are capable of
and with Paul to see who needs to do their work first. I know many
engines redline  above any Sunbeam tach's face. Just my 2 cents worth. 

--- On Thu, 2/18/10, Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com> wrote:


From: Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tach Help
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 2:03 PM


Tom Hall and Theo Smit have put together a wonderful bit of electronics, as
others have said, to make the original tach in your Tiger work well and
reliably.  If you need a tach with a bit more range, you can get one from a
Series IV Alpine and use its face to replace the one in the stock tach.  The
lettering on the face matches that on the MkI and MkIA Tigers and it reads to
6000 with a red line at 5500.  It looks correct except for the small lettering
which reads 4 cyl, positive earth, which is hardly noticeable.  Only a purist
or Jim Armstrong would object.  For a MkII Tiger, you can use a Series V
Alpine tach to match the font.  The small lettering reads 4 cyl, negative
earth.  You could probably get a rub-on numeral '8' to make it look even more
proper.  The Series V Alpine tach reads to 7000 with a red line at 6000.  What
makes the face switching possible is the board that Tom and Theo provide. 
Using the PCB, they can calibrate your tach
 to read correctly with any of the above-mentioned faces, or they can
calibrate the Alpine tach to work on your Tiger.  My Tiger has its original
260, albeit with a hipo cam and a Pertronix setup in an old Mallory YL dual
point distributor, so 5500 is a nice, useful red line.

Cheers,

Tod
B382002384LRXFE
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Thu Feb 18 13:59:30 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:59:30 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tach Help
In-Reply-To: <916070.11551.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4B7D9D01.9080405@roadrunner.com>
	<916070.11551.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06840180DD08@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

I still have a couple of Matthew Taylor's 7k RPM tach decals as well. These
can be applied over the OEM 5500 RPM scale, or over an Alpine's tach face, to
match the lettering size and style to the Mk1/Mk1A speedo. However, that decal
doesn't cover the center portion of the tach face, so the 4/8 cylinder,
positive/negative earth text would be left as-is. I don't have suitable decals
to fix that.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody
> Sent: February 18, 2010 1:39 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net; Tod Brown
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tach Help
>
> To add to Tods post. Daddy Tiger aka Paul Breuhan
> (prbreuhan at hotmail.com) can
> fix the fonts on the face of the tach to appear stock and say
> 8cylinder,
> negative earth etc etc- you would have to ask but he might be abe to
> change
> the face to whatever redline you desire BUT he has to respond to that
> thought.
> His work is excellent and his prices more than fair. This would be a
> discussion to be had with Tom or Theo on what their electronics are
> capable of
> and with Paul to see who needs to do their work first. I know many
> engines redline  above any Sunbeam tach's face. Just my 2 cents worth.
>
> --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>


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From: MTaylor at ea.com (Taylor, Matthew)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:17:53 -0800
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That is correct.  They were designed to go on an original Tiger tach, thus no
need to change the center.

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Smit, Theo

I still have a couple of Matthew Taylor's 7k RPM tach decals as well. These
can be applied over the OEM 5500 RPM scale, or over an Alpine's tach face, to
match the lettering size and style to the Mk1/Mk1A speedo. However, that
decal
doesn't cover the center portion of the tach face, so the 4/8 cylinder,
positive/negative earth text would be left as-is. I don't have suitable
decals
to fix that.

Theo

From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 19 08:51:19 2010
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 07:51:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] 13" tires
Message-ID: <193021.68469.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Brad,
 
I forgot to respond to your email on the list last summer.
 
I use 205/60-13 on 13x5 1/2 Libres on the front and 215/50-13 on 13x7
LIbres on the rear. The front valance on the inside corner is rolled back and
does not come close. I did not roll the rear lip (wish I would have) and
occasionally it touches. Although the Tiger front track is 3 1/2" wider, than
the rear, the outer lip of my rims are almost perfectly in line front to
back.
 
Gary

--- On Mon, 7/13/09, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) <mark.rense at ge.com>
wrote:


From: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) <mark.rense at ge.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 13" tires
To: "Brad Huff" <huffb at southslope.net>, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 8:57 AM


Brad,
I also have the Sumitomo HTR-200 tires on both my Tigers, 195/60-14 on a
set of Libres on the black car, and 205/60-13 on a set of Shelby wheels
on the white car. For more aggressive driving, I also have a set of
wider wheels with very sticky Hoosier R6's (these are really track
tires). You cannot run tires much wider than a 185 unless you roll the
lip of the wheel wells up and under.

Tire Rack lists lots of 175/70-13s, a few 185/70-13s and one 195/60-13
plus the two 205/60/13s.

Pickin's is gettin' slimmer in the 13" size....

Bugz

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Huff
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:25 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] 13" tires

I know that this has probably been asked countless times but please bare
with me. I haven't had my car roadworthy for quite some time and I
haven't really followed the list either. I have LAT 70 wheels and I
would like to know, from the few still running 13" tires, what you guys
are using. I realize the selection is slim but I would like to run one
more set of 13's before I spring for new wheels. -Brad
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From spmdr at juno.com  Fri Feb 19 10:38:05 2010
From: spmdr at juno.com (spmdr at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:38:05 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] 260 rebuild
Message-ID: <20100219.095947.3716.2.spmdr@juno.com>

Just a few notes on the last two 260 engines I rebuilt.

-The KB/ Silvolite Hyperutechtic stock replacement pistons are HEAVY!
  ...30 grams heavier than an NOS Speedpro.

  - Think seriously about having the engine balanced!

 - Also, the piston to deck height can be WAY out there!
  in excess of -.040!
  check it if you want to get the compression up near stock spec.

 - in spite of the Ford specs, I have yet to measure an unmilled 260 head

   combustion chamber much smaller than 56cc.
   ...yet another reason your compression may not be up to spec!

  BTW, I DON'T suggest you mill 260 or 289 heads excessively!
  ...Too much increase in blown head gaskets around the banana water
passages.

And IF you get your piston to deck close AND run 302 valves sizes AND a
bigger than stock Cam,

  -Check your piston to valve clearance!
   Intake valve to piston clearance goes away!

   ...and beware of Autolite 45 spark plugs!

   ...I have yet to check for a better ( more acurate heat range ) plug
in that heat range.

  DW
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From spmdr at juno.com  Fri Feb 19 10:59:47 2010
From: spmdr at juno.com (spmdr at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 09:59:47 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Spark plug trivia
Message-ID: <20100219.095947.3716.3.spmdr@juno.com>

Way back in the dark ages, when I started to buy spark plugs,
I asked a sage mechanic about Champion plugs.
He said "I wouldn't put a Champion in a kiddy cart"
I asked why.
He said he spent too many cold winter NIGHTS
Changing out OE Champions in new cars, back in the '50s!

That may have a lot to do with why Ford bought Autolite.

Several years later, I asked Wally Cartwright ( check your Tiger history
) 
what he thought about Champions.
I got the EXACT SAME quote with the SAME voice inflections.
...I didn't ask why...

DW
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From m_dangelo at verizon.net  Fri Feb 19 15:52:02 2010
From: m_dangelo at verizon.net (MAURO D'ANGELO)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:52:02 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] 260 rebuild
In-Reply-To: <20100219.095947.3716.2.spmdr@juno.com>
Message-ID: <C7A48042.1014%m_dangelo@verizon.net>

Why do you say to beware of Autolite 45 plugs?  What should we be using?


On 2/19/10 12:38 PM, "spmdr at juno.com" <spmdr at juno.com> wrote:

> Just a few notes on the last two 260 engines I rebuilt.
> 
> -The KB/ Silvolite Hyperutechtic stock replacement pistons are HEAVY!
>   ...30 grams heavier than an NOS Speedpro.
> 
>   - Think seriously about having the engine balanced!
> 
>  - Also, the piston to deck height can be WAY out there!
>   in excess of -.040!
>   check it if you want to get the compression up near stock spec.
> 
>  - in spite of the Ford specs, I have yet to measure an unmilled 260 head
> 
>    combustion chamber much smaller than 56cc.
>    ...yet another reason your compression may not be up to spec!
> 
>   BTW, I DON'T suggest you mill 260 or 289 heads excessively!
>   ...Too much increase in blown head gaskets around the banana water
> passages.
> 
> And IF you get your piston to deck close AND run 302 valves sizes AND a
> bigger than stock Cam,
> 
>   -Check your piston to valve clearance!
>    Intake valve to piston clearance goes away!
> 
>    ...and beware of Autolite 45 spark plugs!
> 
>    ...I have yet to check for a better ( more acurate heat range ) plug
> in that heat range.
> 
>   DW
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Fri Feb 19 16:28:09 2010
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:28:09 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] 260 rebuild
In-Reply-To: <C7A48042.1014%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
References: <20100219.095947.3716.2.spmdr@juno.com>
	<C7A48042.1014%m_dangelo@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06840180DF26@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com>

If you're building a performance engine then you want to be really sure that
your plugs are not too hot. Dan's email from a few days ago noted that he
bought two sets of Autolite plugs that should have been different heat ranges,
but he couldn't see any difference between them. Normally, a hot plug has the
electrode insulator extending deeper into the plug body, while a cool plug
will have a shallow insulator. The steps are generally far enough from one
heat range to the next, that you can visually inspect them and see which is
hotter or colder.

For what it's worth, I've used NGK plugs with good success... not (yet) on a
zoomy SBF, but NGK's were the plug of choice when I was racing in a Toyota. I
currently have NGK's in my 5.0 but I can't recall the part number offhand.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MAURO D'ANGELO
> Sent: February 19, 2010 3:52 PM
> To: spmdr at juno.com; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 rebuild
>
> Why do you say to beware of Autolite 45 plugs?  What should we be
> using?
>
>


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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Fri Feb 19 17:19:06 2010
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:19:06 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Spark plug trivia
References: <20100219.095947.3716.3.spmdr@juno.com>
Message-ID: <B6DB348EBC094EA5A5E51AE29674B110@student2>

Back in the mid 70's I worked in a Tempo Auto Parts store in the San Gabriel 
Valley.  Those in the area are probably familiar with Blair's Speed Shop. 
Someone (not sure if it was the owner or an employee) would come in and ask 
to see ALL our plugs in the number he specified.  Come to find out that the 
electrodes could be way off center and he wanted to hand pick the best.  As 
I recall he bought 2 or 3 at a time and came in every month or so (shows the 
limited quality).  That was 35 years ago..., but I think he was asking for 
Champions.

We also had a couple of fledgling hot rod guys frequented the store. One 
lived around the corner from me.  Perhaps some of you know them, their names 
are "Pete &  Jake."

Tom 

From macdonald49 at shaw.ca  Fri Feb 19 22:09:18 2010
From: macdonald49 at shaw.ca (Peter MacDonald)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:09:18 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Spark plugs
Message-ID: <F04BE46E-45B5-4812-AF9F-0F0015B2EB76@shaw.ca>

These folks say they have 10,000 Autolite and 30,000 Motorcraft spark  
plugs available - amongst other things.

http://www.greensalescompany.com

Should be enough to keep us away from the Champions!

Peter

From spook01 at comcast.net  Fri Feb 19 23:05:00 2010
From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01 at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 06:05:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] valve covers
In-Reply-To: <F04BE46E-45B5-4812-AF9F-0F0015B2EB76@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <548399646.6418971266645900026.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

hi guys,

does anyone know if the stock chrome valve covers will cover the late style
bolt down type rocker arms without hitting them?B  they hit the aluminum tiger
covers....

rayB 


----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter MacDonald" <macdonald49 at shaw.ca>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 11:09:18 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Tigers] Spark plugs

These folks say they have 10,000 Autolite and 30,000 Motorcraft spark B 
plugs available - amongst other things.

http://www.greensalescompany.com

Should be enough to keep us away from the Champions!

Peter
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Sat Feb 20 10:48:44 2010
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 11:48:44 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Autolite 4100 boosters needed
In-Reply-To: <548399646.6418971266645900026.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <F04BE46E-45B5-4812-AF9F-0F0015B2EB76@shaw.ca>
	<548399646.6418971266645900026.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000b01cab254$f27e7050$d77b50f0$@rr.com>

Hello all,

I have recently installed a Autolite 4100, 1.08 C5ZF-C carb.  It runs very
well with the exception of a flat spot off of idle.  I believe it is due to
the wrong boosters that are installed.  I am looking for "CF" primary and
"A" secondary boosters.  These letters can be found on the bottom side of
the booster.

TIA for any help or leads....please do not recommend Pony Carbs., they are
complete A-holes and are only interested in rebuilding perfectly good carbs
for huge $$$$.

Duke
B382002037

From spook01 at comcast.net  Sat Feb 20 13:14:10 2010
From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01 at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:14:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] valve cover question
Message-ID: <1367571734.6562491266696850770.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

i suppose i wasn't too clear originally.

the heads on my new engine are the type that the rocker stands are cast as
part of the head, with the rocker fulcrum held down by a bolt that screws
straight down into the stand.B  this is unlike the early screw in studs or the
press in type.

my question is: doesB anyone know if the stock chrome valve covers will foul
these bolt down fulcrum type rockers?B 
thanks,

ray

From CoolVT at aol.com  Sun Feb 21 06:49:19 2010
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 08:49:19 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Zephyrhills, FL Tiger auction
Message-ID: <2b3a.4b0efd06.38b293df@aol.com>

The Tiger that came up for auction yesterday, and apparently the  same 
Tiger that had previously been offered on EBay, might have sold  yesterday:-)  I 
attended the auction and the Tiger got up to $26,000 and  the auctioneer 
said "sold" ,but he seemed to say sold on every car and at least  half had a 
reserve, so not sure if the Tiger sold or not. So, it either sold for  $26k 
or had a reserve of $26k. You might remember that another  modified Tiger got 
to about the same price range in a Florida auction a few  weeks back.
This one had fender flares, 4 wheel disc brakes, nice 5 lug wheels,  
modified engine, interior seemed nice stock, but not new, lift off hood held on  
by 4 pins, good top and good paint job .
 
The one thing that didn't help the presentation was that the fiber hood  
appeared to be warped and left huge gaps on each side.  The trunk also had  
very poor allignment with resulting gaps and didn't appear to be closing all 
the  way.
I couldn't locate an owner and so never got the see the engine and couldn't 
 get any vin #'s. Maybe they were already produced when the car was on  
EBay.
Mark L

From rootes1 at earthlink.net  Sun Feb 21 15:38:22 2010
From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:38:22 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] VIN-TWINS
Message-ID: <E1NjKS1-0006u6-B4@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hopefully someone will be able to help.  I'm looking for sisters, 
bothers, or cousins to this style of Tiger chassis plate.  There 
can't be many, so if you have one, or know of someone who does give 
me a shout.

http://gvoqra.bay.livefilestore.com/y1puZ-bViSGVjZCDg1z40apM4fXWOc9qbBoKMELuX994ogT8GqyPh83QWRyvHjQ6miacQT5T2b3ZS3K31dCXkttBBAQqDRWYBUF/adjusted-id-tag.jpg

Norm 

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Feb 21 16:07:16 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:07:16 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Zephyrhills, FL Tiger auction
In-Reply-To: <2b3a.4b0efd06.38b293df@aol.com>
References: <2b3a.4b0efd06.38b293df@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d86d088a1002211507l369f12edoad2d4f97ca16801f@mail.gmail.com>

If it sold for 26K thats a lot less than what he was jonesing for on ebay..
he seemed to think a 45+ car.. which as we all know.. was not the case.
-- 
Regards

Michael King

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Feb 21 19:04:25 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:04:25 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] non-tiger fiat owners club concourse
Message-ID: <d86d088a1002211804h30d5afbdq745bb3d8a65b712f@mail.gmail.com>

Some pictures of the Fiat owners club day in melbourne 21/02/2010. Some nice
cars.. and my tiger the sole brit invader!

http://community.webshots.com/album/576814036cBfebg

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net  Sun Feb 21 23:06:12 2010
From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 22:06:12 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] non-tiger fiat owners club concourse
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a1002211804h30d5afbdq745bb3d8a65b712f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d86d088a1002211804h30d5afbdq745bb3d8a65b712f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B821ED4.2060208@cox.net>

Thanks, Michael!  Car looks good!
Were the two (other) silver cars parked side-by side Fiat 8V's?

Best Regards
David Sosna

michael king wrote:
> Some pictures of the Fiat owners club day in melbourne 21/02/2010. Some nice
> cars.. and my tiger the sole brit invader!
>
> http://community.webshots.com/album/576814036cBfebg
>
>   


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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Feb 22 07:05:15 2010
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 09:05:15 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Autolite 4100 boosters needed
In-Reply-To: <000b01cab254$f27e7050$d77b50f0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <7A78FB89D5CE447EA84F695E00D91867@ronpc1>

Duke
	I do not have any of the parts you seek but parts from Autolite 2100
will fit and I have read that Holley parts will fit also.  I have never
looked at interchanging Holley parts so I don't know for sure in this case.
Looking at the Holley manual; the Holley 4010/4011 is the only carb with
similar booster parts.

I'm sure you have already gone through trouble shooting but I'll re-state
some of the steps.

Any time you think you have a carb problem the first place to start looking
is the distributor advance curve.
Make sure it is working properly and that it is always returning to the same
initial timing point.

Off idle stumble can be caused by the accelerator pump not working properly;
pumping too much or too little fuel, the primary or secondary throttle
plates are set wrong, fuel level set wrong; too high I believe would cause
this.

Last summer I had a similar problem with my 2100; it was the elastomer check
valve of the accelerator pump that caused the problem plus I found some dirt
in the fuel bowl and under the jets.

I did find an online service manual for the 4100; mostly the Ford basics.  I
did not see a trouble shooting section.
http://www.classicinlines.com/4100A.asp

Ron Fraser



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of wsamouce
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 12:49 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Autolite 4100 boosters needed


Hello all,

I have recently installed a Autolite 4100, 1.08 C5ZF-C carb.  It runs very
well with the exception of a flat spot off of idle.  I believe it is due to
the wrong boosters that are installed.  I am looking for "CF" primary and
"A" secondary boosters.  These letters can be found on the bottom side of
the booster.

TIA for any help or leads....please do not recommend Pony Carbs., they are
complete A-holes and are only interested in rebuilding perfectly good carbs
for huge $$$$.

Duke
B382002037
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From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb 22 18:25:16 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:25:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Keepn' Up With The Jonesing
Message-ID: <363882.8154.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

"If it sold for 26K thats a lot less than what he was jonesing for on ebay."
 
Whats up with all the "jonesing" going on in this list?  Is this a new Tiger
aficionado term?  Are you cool and hip if you use the word "jonesing"?   From
the Online Slang Dictionary:
 

Definition of jonesing

jonesing  
verb


to vomit.
by Michael David, Los Angeles, CA, USA, Dec 14 1996  (Edit definition)
to be on crank.
by Michael David, Los Angeles, CA, USA, Dec 14 1996  (Edit definition)
to feel withdrawal symptoms, especially from a drug.
He was jonesing for a smoke.
by Doug, Ohio, USA, Jun 04 1997  (Edit definition)
to crave something, not necessarily a drug.
Man, I'm jonesing for a kiss!
by Anonymous, Oct 01 2001  (Edit definition)
 
                             " Jonesing"  Jeff ( tryn' to keep it real on the
flip side!)

From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 22 18:49:03 2010
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:49:03 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Keepn' Up With The Jonesing
References: <363882.8154.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0636B4A6DD874A918182FCD57E10BA27@PETERHOME>

tru dat

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeffrey Nichols" <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:25 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Keepn' Up With The Jonesing


> "If it sold for 26K thats a lot less than what he was jonesing for on 
> ebay."
>
> Whats up with all the "jonesing" going on in this list?  Is this a new 
> Tiger
> aficionado term?  Are you cool and hip if you use the word "jonesing"? 
> From
> the Online Slang Dictionary:

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Feb 22 20:08:19 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:08:19 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] non-tiger domain display
Message-ID: <d86d088a1002221908j2a00f74dmfc763f80425e1c76@mail.gmail.com>

Given people seem to enjoy the pics from the shows.. here are some pictures
from the australia day display in melbourne on 26 jan 2010

http://community.webshots.com/album/576824305FMvUkv

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From phastphill at aol.com  Tue Feb 23 07:34:57 2010
From: phastphill at aol.com (phastphill at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:34:57 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] non-tiger domain display
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a1002221908j2a00f74dmfc763f80425e1c76@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d86d088a1002221908j2a00f74dmfc763f80425e1c76@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CC82AC8195B55F-3B90-DCBE@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com>

What ,an Australia Day car show with no FJ's......?





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Sent: Mon, Feb 22, 2010 10:08 pm
Subject: [Tigers] non-tiger domain display


Given people seem to enjoy the pics from the shows.. here are some pictures
rom the australia day display in melbourne on 26 jan 2010
http://community.webshots.com/album/576824305FMvUkv
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Feb 23 14:28:42 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:28:42 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] non-tiger domain display
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There were about 800+ cars there, lots of vintage stuff at this show
(probably the lagest pre 40's display in melbourne for the year) lots of
american muscle cars and sedans.. sorry i didnt take pics of the holdens.. i
guess for locals they are less novel :-P

On 24 February 2010 01:34, <phastphill at aol.com> wrote:

>
>  What ,an Australia Day car show with no FJ's......?
>
>
> Regards

Michael King

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 06:06:45 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:06:45 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] LAT bonnets and aston vanquish
Message-ID: <d86d088a1002240506v74f718d6x7e51ccc7843e913a@mail.gmail.com>

While looking under the bonnet (hood) of an aston martin vanquish today i
noticed something that could be usefull to tiger owners.. especially those
with LAT hoods.

Look at a pic on the net and you will see 2 x silver insulated chimneys
rising up from deep in the engine bay going to the 2 vents in the rear of
the bonnet. I looked further down at these and they were attached to large
sheilds of the same insulating material that wrapped over and sheilded the
headers. The chimneys entered those.. they vent the heat from the headers to
the bonnet vents.

This would work on a tiger and with an LAT bonnet i am sure some negative
pressure where the NCCA vents are would help draw the hot air from the
engine bay even better. I'll try and post some pics at some point.. you
would lose the cool look of the headers in the engine bay.. but i bet it
would make a HUGE difference in engine bay temps.

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From mark.rense at ge.com  Wed Feb 24 06:59:13 2010
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd))
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 08:59:13 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Interior Mirror Fix
Message-ID: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A023F73F9@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>

I have been getting parts ready to go to the chromer, the interior
rearview mirror stem being one of those pieces. I have partially
disassembled the mirror and would like to know if my repair options
before I go any further. I slowly pried the plastic surround off and
have removed the glass. The plastic surround is not in good shape and
the mirror glass is fogged. I can devote lots of time to this but I'd
rather buy a suitable repop.

I checked TigersUnited, Rick's and Curt's sites but have not found
anything to repair/replace the rearview mirror. Any suggestions?

Bugz

From rande at thecia.net  Wed Feb 24 07:37:11 2010
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:37:11 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] inside mirrors
Message-ID: <4b853997.112b.0@thecia.net>

Mark,

You may have two choices; one is to check eBay. A mirror glass only was recently
(in the last week) offered for around 19.00 US plus shipping. Make sure the
eBay picture matches your own part.

The other is to take your mirror to a glass repair shop, and they may be able
to cut a piece and install it on the mirror housing.

From TMorton at bma1915.com  Wed Feb 24 07:39:57 2010
From: TMorton at bma1915.com (Terry Morton)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:39:57 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Interior Mirror Fix
In-Reply-To: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A023F73F9@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A023F73F9@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <3CB8B4340F95574EB94BC8370752ADA001054BC6@bmadata1.bmi1915.priv>

Mark,
Have you tried Kip Motors in Texas? I've found they have some higher
quality repops of some hard to find items. www.kipmotor.com
Terry.

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Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 8:59 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Interior Mirror Fix

I have been getting parts ready to go to the chromer, the interior
rearview mirror stem being one of those pieces. I have partially
disassembled the mirror and would like to know if my repair options
before I go any further. I slowly pried the plastic surround off and
have removed the glass. The plastic surround is not in good shape and
the mirror glass is fogged. I can devote lots of time to this but I'd
rather buy a suitable repop.

I checked TigersUnited, Rick's and Curt's sites but have not found
anything to repair/replace the rearview mirror. Any suggestions?

Bugz
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From mark.rense at ge.com  Wed Feb 24 07:43:32 2010
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd))
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:43:32 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] inside mirrors
In-Reply-To: <4b853997.112b.0@thecia.net>
References: <4b853997.112b.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A023F74CF@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Thanks, I can get the glass repopped but it's the mirror housing that is
bad.

-----Original Message-----
From: rande at thecia.net [mailto:rande at thecia.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:37 AM
To: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: inside mirrors


Mark,

You may have two choices; one is to check eBay. A mirror glass only was
recently (in the last week) offered for around 19.00 US plus shipping.
Make sure the eBay picture matches your own part.

The other is to take your mirror to a glass repair shop, and they may be
able to cut a piece and install it on the mirror housing.

From bob at rjosten.com  Wed Feb 24 08:55:47 2010
From: bob at rjosten.com (Bob Josten)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 07:55:47 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Interior Mirror Fix
In-Reply-To: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A023F73F9@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A023F73F9@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <a29f7c891002240755u25f27c54nd9778057084f30c5@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark, CAT sells the plastic surround, a plastic replacement mirror
(better visibility and lighter) and the little stem bumper in a mirror
rebuild kit.
I got one and redid my mirror and it looks like new.
regards
Bob J.


On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 5:59 AM, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)
<mark.rense at ge.com> wrote:
> I have been getting parts ready to go to the chromer, the interior
> rearview mirror stem being one of those pieces. I have partially
> disassembled the mirror and would like to know if my repair options
> before I go any further. I slowly pried the plastic surround off and

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 15:32:35 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:32:35 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] LAT bonnets and aston vanquish
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a1002240506v74f718d6x7e51ccc7843e913a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d86d088a1002240506v74f718d6x7e51ccc7843e913a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d86d088a1002241432v51ead8c2kd46000ef369c7495@mail.gmail.com>

Please find a link to a picture of the venting chimneys, i highlighted them
in red circles

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2122229670054462410CMuCfp



On 25 February 2010 00:06, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:

> While looking under the bonnet (hood) of an aston martin vanquish today i
> noticed something that could be usefull to tiger owners.. especially those
> with LAT hoods.
>
> Look at a pic on the net and you will see 2 x silver insulated chimneys
> rising up from deep in the engine bay going to the 2 vents in the rear of
> the bonnet. I looked further down at these and they were attached to large
> sheilds of the same insulating material that wrapped over and sheilded the
> headers. The chimneys entered those.. they vent the heat from the headers to
> the bonnet vents.
>
> This would work on a tiger and with an LAT bonnet i am sure some negative
> pressure where the NCCA vents are would help draw the hot air from the
> engine bay even better. I'll try and post some pics at some point.. you
> would lose the cool look of the headers in the engine bay.. but i bet it
> would make a HUGE difference in engine bay temps.
>
> --
> Regards
>
> Michael King
>



-- 
Regards

Michael King

From sganz at pacbell.net  Wed Feb 24 17:51:15 2010
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:51:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] LAT bonnets and aston vanquish
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a1002240506v74f718d6x7e51ccc7843e913a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d86d088a1002240506v74f718d6x7e51ccc7843e913a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <601712.92710.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The DB7GT that I have doesn't have the chimney pipes, but has the vents in the
bonnet. I liked the way it fits into the hood line on the DB7 and after a
drive and shut down you can see the heat pour out the vents. Has to help keep
things from getting too hot after the engine shuts down.

Sandy



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From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
To: Tiger
Talk List Tiger <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 5:06:45
AM
Subject: [Tigers] LAT bonnets and aston vanquish

While looking under the
bonnet (hood) of an aston martin vanquish today i
noticed something that could
be usefull to tiger owners.. especially those
with LAT hoods.

Look at a pic
on the net and you will see 2 x silver insulated chimneys
rising up from deep
in the engine bay going to the 2 vents in the rear of
the bonnet. I looked
further down at these and they were attached to large
sheilds of the same
insulating material that wrapped over and sheilded the
headers. The chimneys
entered those.. they vent the heat from the headers to
the bonnet vents.

This
would work on a tiger and with an LAT bonnet i am sure some negative
pressure
where the NCCA vents are would help draw the hot air from the
engine bay even
better. I'll try and post some pics at some point.. you
would lose the cool
look of the headers in the engine bay.. but i bet it
would make a HUGE
difference in engine bay temps.

-- 
Regards

Michael King
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From slaifman at socal.rr.com  Thu Feb 25 11:25:01 2010
From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (slaifman at socal.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:25:01 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] LAT bonnets and aston vanquish
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a1002240506v74f718d6x7e51ccc7843e913a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100225182501.GX5P7.51718.root@cdptpa-web07-z01>

Michael,

While they may resemble NACA ducts, that is only for appearance.  The original designer (Doane Spencer?) made them pointing in the wrong direction.  Check it out on Google, or Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NACA_duct

Anyway, they do look "bitchin'" [not PC (politically correct)]

Steve





---- michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote: 
> While looking under the bonnet (hood) of an aston martin vanquish today i
> noticed something that could be usefull to tiger owners.. especially those
> with LAT hoods.
> Regards
> 
> Michael King

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Feb 25 22:23:52 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:23:52 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] LAT bonnets and aston vanquish
In-Reply-To: <20100225182501.GX5P7.51718.root@cdptpa-web07-z01>
References: <20100225182501.GX5P7.51718.root@cdptpa-web07-z01>
Message-ID: <4B875AE8.5010702@mayfco.com>

NACA ducts are boundary layer ducts. One of the features tha makes them 
work, and is hardly evr discussed, is the fact that at the rear the 
upper surface is an airfoil shape. That is to accelerate the air to 
increase efficiency.  People have tried them backwards thinking that if 
the work well th epointy end forward as an intake they shoul work well 
with the pointy end backwards. I don't believe these are very 
successful, but, I could be wrong.   The Sunbeam may get one for the 
turbo intake next year if speeds are not up to my goal this coming year. 
The inlet would fit flush with the hood and feed an air box with the 
turbo's air filter inside.

mayf
slaifman at socal.rr.com wrote:

>Michael,
>
>While they may resemble NACA ducts, that is only for appearance.  The original designer (Doane Spencer?) made them pointing in the wrong direction.  Check it out on Google, or Wikipedia.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NACA_duct
>
>Anyway, they do look "bitchin'" [not PC (politically correct)]
>
>Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>---- michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote: 
>  
>
>>While looking under the bonnet (hood) of an aston martin vanquish today i
>>noticed something that could be usefull to tiger owners.. especially those
>>with LAT hoods.
>>Regards
>>
>>Michael King
>>    
>>
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Feb 26 13:22:54 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:22:54 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Two Questions....
Message-ID: <4B882D9E.20008@mayfco.com>

A few days ago, a list member sent me a notice of a 1925 Sunbeam pin 
commemorating the record of that year.  I purchased it, although not yet 
arrived. So question one is was there anything similar to that pin for 
the record set in 1927 in which the Sunbeam was the very first car to 
exceed a two way record over 200 mph?  I wouldn't mind having one for my 
hat... If there  is a photo of such that might also work as I might be 
able to have a replica made. Question 2. As I run down through the 
mechanical attriutes of the Sunbeam 1000 hp car that did set the record, 
just exactly how did it qualify as a Sunbeam?  As I recall, not one part 
was made from anything resembling a Sunbeam of that era although I could 
be mistaken. I know the engines were aircraft engines, the Matabelle 
model, and I believe they were Sunbeam but again may not be correct.    
So again, how did they claim a "Sunbeam" broke the record?   Seems like 
that is really really a stretch, lol...    LIke the Summers Brothers in 
their 409 mph record using 4 Chrysler engines being  a Chrysler.... not...

mayf

From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Fri Feb 26 19:19:33 2010
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:19:33 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Front Sway Bar
In-Reply-To: <4B882D9E.20008@mayfco.com>
References: <4B882D9E.20008@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <118F6D89D50841678A974F6D533C1535@BucksLaptop>

I'm probably going to have a small batch of 1 inch sway bars made up out of 
4140 Chrome Moly.

If anyone is interested in one, please contact me ASAP. The cost should be 
less than $100.

Buck Trippel 

From tym2 at comcast.net  Sat Feb 27 10:35:28 2010
From: tym2 at comcast.net (tym2 at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:35:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] rear end spline
In-Reply-To: <433660374.9850211267292077611.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1909270545.9850401267292128510.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Tigers, 


Is the rear end in my 66 Mk1A a 19 or 30 spline? 


Thanks in advance, 


Tym McDowell 

From jim at island.net  Sat Feb 27 10:40:34 2010
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:40:34 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] rear end spline
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19 is stock...



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> Tigers,
>
>
> Is the rear end in my 66 Mk1A a 19 or 30 spline?
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
> Tym McDowell
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From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Sat Feb 27 16:22:29 2010
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 15:22:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam In Question
Message-ID: <840510.18995.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

According to what I read, Sunbeam funded and built it (called the "Mystery"
"Slug")  with Sunbeam Matabele  12-cylinder engines.  Sunbeam made airplane
engines back in the day that were used in other airplanes.  Schylling makes a
12 inch tin windup model of the car that is usually on Ebay.  It sells for
around $25 and is worth buying if you are into LSR cars.
 
 
Sunbeam tried again in 1930 with the Silver Bullet that did away with
radiators and used melted ice for cooling. No radiators to reduce drag.  The
car was designed to achieve 250mph but never went faster than 186mph at
Daytona Beach.  The car was later scrapped. 
 
 
                                            Jeff

From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com  Sat Feb 27 16:56:26 2010
From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:56:26 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam In Question
Message-ID: <5d98e.5d20df12.38bb0b2a@aol.com>

As of about 18 months ago Schylling no longer makes the Sunbeam. I looked  
in their catalog as well as emailed them and the answer I got was that it 
was a  limited production item.
 
Fred Baum
 
 
In a message dated 2/27/2010 6:22:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jxnichols at sbcglobal.net writes:

According to what I read, Sunbeam funded and built it (called the  "Mystery"
"Slug")  with Sunbeam Matabele  12-cylinder  engines.  Sunbeam made airplane
engines back in the day that were used  in other airplanes.  Schylling 
makes a
12 inch tin windup model of the  car that is usually on Ebay.  It sells for
around $25 and is worth  buying if you are into LSR cars.


Sunbeam tried again in 1930 with  the Silver Bullet that did away with
radiators and used melted ice for  cooling. No radiators to reduce drag.  
The
car was designed to achieve  250mph but never went faster than 186mph at
Daytona Beach.  The car  was later scrapped. 

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Feb 27 18:04:48 2010
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:04:48 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam In Question
In-Reply-To: <840510.18995.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <840510.18995.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B89C130.909@mayfco.com>

Jeffrey Nichols wrote:

> According to what I read, Sunbeam funded and built it (called the 
> "Mystery" "Slug")  with Sunbeam *Matabele*  12-cylinder engines.  
> Sunbeam made airplane engines back in the day that were used in other 
> airplanes.  Schylling makes a 12 inch tin windup model of the car that 
> is usually on Ebay.  It sells for around $25 and is worth buying if 
> you are into LSR cars.
>  
>  
> Sunbeam tried again in 1930 with the Silver Bullet that did away with 
> radiators and used melted ice for cooling. No radiators to reduce 
> drag.  The car was designed to achieve 250mph but never went faster 
> than 186mph at Daytona Beach.  The car was later scrapped. 
>  
>  
>                                             Jeff
>
I already have the tin model wind up.   What Iwas hoping for was some 
kind of official or semi official pin commemorating  Sunbeam's Official 
Worlds LSR record of 203.792 mph.   Surely they commissioned one of some 
sorts.  I would love to have one of those...

mayf

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Feb 28 17:13:28 2010
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:13:28 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] British European car show
Message-ID: <d86d088a1002281613n2c05219es9517dfd7fd01be6d@mail.gmail.com>

as we are in the classic casr season here in melbourne.. some images from
the brit euro show in flemington melbourne:

http://community.webshots.com/album/576883180XUumUw

Look for the hsitoric phillip island pictures i will post in a few weeks
(march 19-21), lagest historic event in the southern hemisphere.. over 500
races cars entered and lots of international guests.. hopefully it wont be a
water based event this year!

-- 
Regards

Michael King