From alittlemoreink at hotmail.com Wed Dec 1 10:36:11 2010 From: alittlemoreink at hotmail.com (John Crawley) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 17:36:11 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Wiper Delay ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dan: If your wiper motor was made by Lucas the delay will be chronically sporadic but as predictable as dark following light. ;-) Jc From Rollright at aol.com Wed Dec 1 12:29:09 2010 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 14:29:09 EST Subject: [Tigers] junk yard fan Message-ID: <2cffd.542ded3b.3a27fc05@aol.com> I mentioned coming across a Fairmont in a junk yard and asked if the fan would work in a Tiger. I received data that "it depends" but was told that the pulley might also be of a size that it could speed up the fan (diameter). So, how much should I pay for a Farimont fan and pulley? I have no idea what these "junk yard dogs" charge. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE From achd73 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 1 23:47:25 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 22:47:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Holbay engine help Message-ID: <862515.78431.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> List- I have been out of state and wasnt on the computer until an hour or so. I was shocked when I got to the page that had email asking for help dated last Feb. I have no idea how it got reposted but THANKS to all who replied. Especially Jay Laifman who sent me the information months ago and was kind enough to send it again, as well as all others that replied. I definily didnt resend the old email but I do appreciate the responses. Cheers, Tony From atwittsend at verizon.net Thu Dec 2 00:53:11 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 23:53:11 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] junk yard fan References: <2cffd.542ded3b.3a27fc05@aol.com> Message-ID: <980BA992C8394A9F924E269286FF3671@student2> Jim, Click on the link below (Pick A Part). http://www.pickyourpart.com/pricing/ Select the "Show All" button. Leave the search box empty and select "Search." You will have the complete price list for Pick A Part. Two things to keep in mind; This is a self serve yard (you pull the part). A full serve yard will likely charge more. Each month they have a 50% off sale for about 3 days. Hope that gets you in the "ballpark" on prices. We also have an independent "U Pull Parts" in the area and their everyday prices are about 30% cheaper than PAP - on most, but not all things. Tom From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 2 09:39:03 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 08:39:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] test Message-ID: <18895.43644.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> test- mail not posting From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 2 10:01:09 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 09:01:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <49749.19171.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My problem is that Im not receiving a copy of any post I make, Perhaps Im wrong but I seem to recall that if I made a post, I also received the post, just like everyone else. I know my memory is going south but Im pretty sure about this case. Thaks to all who replied. Tony - Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jd.sencindiver at gmail.com -- Jim Sencindiver From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com Thu Dec 2 10:11:33 2010 From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 11:11:33 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] test In-Reply-To: <18895.43644.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <18895.43644.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008b01cb9243$f8e12580$eaa37080$@com> Hey...im reading you loud and clear bud... -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 10:39 AM To: Beamclub Subject: [Tigers] test test- mail not posting _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com From dave at munroe.ca Thu Dec 2 10:41:09 2010 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 13:41:09 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] test In-Reply-To: <008b01cb9243$f8e12580$eaa37080$@com> References: <18895.43644.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <008b01cb9243$f8e12580$eaa37080$@com> Message-ID: <446C69FA89F54A25B82225DF1614EFC1@DavePC> Tony: I have the same problem. I used to get copies of my posts but they disappeared about the same time I changed ISP's, so I attributed the disappearance to the change. But if I send a post to the list from my desk-top, I do get the post on my 'Berry... Weird. Dave To: "'Tony Somebody'" ; Subject: Re: [Tigers] test From mark.rense at ge.com Thu Dec 2 11:36:55 2010 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 13:36:55 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] test In-Reply-To: <446C69FA89F54A25B82225DF1614EFC1@DavePC> References: <18895.43644.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com><008b01cb9243$f8e12580$eaa37080$@com> <446C69FA89F54A25B82225DF1614EFC1@DavePC> Message-ID: I observed this same issue from both this list and from my various Yahoo Groups I belong to, and I attribute it to me switching my home email account to Gmail. I still get copies of posts here at work though. When I switched my email address back to my previous (and spam-saturated) email address, the postings came through again. Must be something to do with your particular email provider. It's cyber mystery... Bugz -----Original Message----- From: Dave Munroe Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 12:41 PM To: Cullen McCann; 'Tony Somebody'; 'Beamclub' Subject: Re: [Tigers] test Tony: I have the same problem. I used to get copies of my posts but they disappeared about the same time I changed ISP's, so I attributed the disappearance to the change. But if I send a post to the list from my desk-top, I do get the post on my 'Berry... Weird. Dave From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 2 13:56:24 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 12:56:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] test problem solved Message-ID: <851491.8818.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I found my copies of post Ive made in my spam folder. I use yahoo and have followed their directions, so I will see if it works. Please be patient with me if I have to post useless postings until I get this problem fixed. Thanks for all the replies and help. Tony From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 2 17:30:40 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 16:30:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] testing for spam Message-ID: <319321.89528.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is for test purposes only- no replies are necessary. Thanks, TtT From jliny5 at cox.net Thu Dec 2 17:47:38 2010 From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 19:47:38 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Cigar Lighter Message-ID: <4FA0DB410C66477784AA06A695B73EB5@JPC> Hi All, I know it is not the most important part by a long shot...but it is the last instrument/switch on my dash that does not work. I spent way too much time repairing the outer case and rewiring, yet it still did not work. I then tested the in-dash element by plugging in my cell phone charger and that lit up like a christmas tree....so that part is fine. The problem must be the knob/push in element that has the heating coil. Unless there is something I can do to repair that it appers I will need to replace that part at a minimum. So....anybody have a Tiger Cigar Lighter sitting around...or know where to get one? I am not sure if Alpine and Tiger lighters were the same, if so an Alpine lighter would also fit. I have been searching ebay and the internet w/o success. I know I can probably get a modern replacement from auto-zone or a similar place, but I am trying to stay original. Thanks, Jim Lindner B9470033 From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Dec 2 18:12:35 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 20:12:35 EST Subject: [Tigers] Cigar Lighter Message-ID: Most often the element screws on to the handle. You can probably buy just the element. Most are the same diameter, but the length can be different. Get one too short and it won't make contact in the bottom of the receptacle and won't light. Bring the old one with you when shopping. Places like WalMart have them, but normally you have to buy the whole thing...less than $5.00 Mark L In a message dated 12/2/2010 7:53:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jliny5 at cox.net writes: Hi All, I know it is not the most important part by a long shot...but it is the last instrument/switch on my dash that does not work. I spent way too much time repairing the outer case and rewiring, yet it still did not work. I then tested the in-dash element by plugging in my cell phone charger and that lit up like a christmas tree....so that part is fine. The problem must be the knob/push in element that has the heating coil. Unless there is something I can do to repair that it appers I will need to replace that part at a minimum. So....anybody have a Tiger Cigar Lighter sitting around...or know where to get one? I am not sure if Alpine and Tiger lighters were the same, if so an Alpine lighter would also fit. I have been searching ebay and the internet w/o success. I know I can probably get a modern replacement from auto-zone or a similar place, but I am trying to stay original. Thanks, Jim Lindner B9470033 _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From jliny5 at cox.net Thu Dec 2 18:48:12 2010 From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 20:48:12 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at MECUM Message-ID: <519EEB81233A4FEFB0E644F3783DA2E2@JPC> For those interested, I was just watching the ongoing MECUM auction from KC and I thought I spotted a Tiger when they gave a panoramic view of the cars on the floor. I went to the MECUM website and sure enough...a " 1967 Tiger" is scheduled to go on the block about 3:30 Saturday...and it will be on TV. Not much info about the car on the website but several photos. See link below. http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=KC1210-103887&entryRow=52 9 Jim Lindner From jliny5 at cox.net Thu Dec 2 18:53:15 2010 From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 20:53:15 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Cigar Lighter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3C44AA50135A41A7AC5C0C1723C20DB5@JPC> I think I can swing that price...just got the knob uncrewed...off to the store tomorrow. Thanks, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: CoolVT at aol.com To: jliny5 at cox.net ; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cigar Lighter Most often the element screws on to the handle. You can probably buy just the element. Most are the same diameter, but the length can be different. Get one too short and it won't make contact in the bottom of the receptacle and won't light. Bring the old one with you when shopping. Places like WalMart have them, but normally you have to buy the whole thing...less than $5.00 Mark L In a message dated 12/2/2010 7:53:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jliny5 at cox.net writes: Hi All, I know it is not the most important part by a long shot...but it is the last instrument/switch on my dash that does not work. I spent way too much time repairing the outer case and rewiring, yet it still did not work. I then tested the in-dash element by plugging in my cell phone charger and that lit up like a christmas tree....so that part is fine. The problem must be the knob/push in element that has the heating coil. Unless there is something I can do to repair that it appers I will need to replace that part at a minimum. So....anybody have a Tiger Cigar Lighter sitting around...or know where to get one? I am not sure if Alpine and Tiger lighters were the same, if so an Alpine lighter would also fit. I have been searching ebay and the internet w/o success. I know I can probably get a modern replacement from auto-zone or a similar place, but I am trying to stay original. Thanks, Jim Lindner B9470033 _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Dec 2 19:05:32 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 13:05:32 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at MECUM In-Reply-To: <519EEB81233A4FEFB0E644F3783DA2E2@JPC> References: <519EEB81233A4FEFB0E644F3783DA2E2@JPC> Message-ID: Im quite sure that was the car that was on youtube just after the guy finshed the resto (had 3 videos of it in his drive/garage) let some water spray on it and show it run off.. did some walk around of it etc.. Then it was on ebay IIRC and they showed the underside which was not as ncie as above. On 3 December 2010 12:48, James Lindner wrote: > For those interested, I was just watching the ongoing MECUM auction from KC > and I thought I spotted a Tiger when they gave a panoramic view of the cars > on > the floor. I went to the MECUM website and sure enough...a " 1967 Tiger" is > scheduled to go on the block about 3:30 Saturday...and it will be on TV. > Not > much info about the car on the website but several photos. See link below. > > > http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=KC1210-103887&entryRow=52 > 9 > > > Jim Lindner > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From sralsten111 at gmail.com Thu Dec 2 19:54:14 2010 From: sralsten111 at gmail.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 18:54:14 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at MECUM In-Reply-To: References: <519EEB81233A4FEFB0E644F3783DA2E2@JPC> Message-ID: Its certainly got the proper mecum paint job and chrome From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Thu Dec 2 21:29:18 2010 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo)) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 22:29:18 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] FW: 289 Cobra Message-ID: A Tiger friend of mine sent me this. Thought some of you might enjoy it. I sure did. What a kick!! Jerry Christopherson _____ From: Rob [mailto:racetig at verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:18 PM To: rumblewagen at gmail.com; BCLong7 at verizon.net; CobraDan at aol.com; danollarson at comcast.net; lobo1625 at gmail.com; don.atkinson06 at gmail.com; JB55 at msn.com; mjjet51 at verizon.net; jjordan at ipi-atlanta.com; Elvisdog3 at aol.com; Lford_f100 at yahoo.com; Essex19841 at gmail.com; mike.r.spencer at lmco.com; row4343 at sbcglobal.net; jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net; Bikeme47 at hotmail.com; DLiedholm21 at comcast.net Subject: 289 Cobra Got this from a die-hard Chevy guy... Maybe there's still hope for him... God how I love the smell of unburned hydrocarbons... Here ya go Al Gore..! Turn up your speakers. No commentary - just 15 minutes of high-revving melody from the small block 289. It really must be well built as 7000 RPM never sounded so easy. So easy in fact, most of the other cars appear to be tied to trees. The driver really has his hands full though - looks like a workout to me. But if you like the sound of a racing small block Ford - this video clip will delight your senses. Let's hear it for 289s! Go to the big screen and be sure - extra sure - to turn up your speakers!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btqQrpnpXj4 &feature=player_embedded#%21 If this is a small block, imagine a 427's power! From drmayf at mayfco.com Fri Dec 3 13:55:14 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 12:55:14 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] FW: 289 Cobra In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CF95932.60405@mayfco.com> Appears to be an exceptionally well prepared car! And driver, lol. Bill is quite good. Looks like he could have used more gear as it seemed like he peaked on the long runs before he ran out of real estate. Makes me want to resurrect my 289 and put it back in my Tiger..just for show and shine on Weds nights here in Pahrump. Thanks for the link! mayf On 12/2/2010 8:29 PM, Jerry & Maureen (Mo) wrote: > A Tiger friend of mine sent me this. Thought some of you might enjoy it. I > sure did. What a kick!! > > > > Jerry Christopherson > > > > _____ > > From: Rob [mailto:racetig at verizon.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:18 PM > To: rumblewagen at gmail.com; BCLong7 at verizon.net; CobraDan at aol.com; > danollarson at comcast.net; lobo1625 at gmail.com; don.atkinson06 at gmail.com; > JB55 at msn.com; mjjet51 at verizon.net; jjordan at ipi-atlanta.com; > Elvisdog3 at aol.com; Lford_f100 at yahoo.com; Essex19841 at gmail.com; > mike.r.spencer at lmco.com; row4343 at sbcglobal.net; jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net; > Bikeme47 at hotmail.com; DLiedholm21 at comcast.net > Subject: 289 Cobra > > > > > > Got this from a die-hard Chevy guy... Maybe there's still hope for him... > God how I love the smell of unburned hydrocarbons... Here ya go Al Gore..! > > > > Turn up your speakers. No commentary - just 15 minutes of high-revving > melody from the small block 289. It really must be well built as 7000 RPM > never sounded so easy. So easy in fact, most of the other cars appear to be > tied to trees. The driver really has his hands full though - looks like a > workout to me. But if you like the sound of a racing small block Ford - this > video clip will delight your senses. Let's hear it for 289s! > > Go to the big screen and be sure - extra sure - to turn up your speakers!!! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btqQrpnpXj4 > > &feature=player_embedded#%21 > > If this is a small block, imagine a 427's power! > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf at mayfco.com From mark at bradakis.com Fri Dec 3 21:15:04 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 21:15:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Tigers] Spam, servers, service and such Message-ID: <20101204041504.A8ABF2E098@bradakis.com> I wrote this for another list, but there are possibly a few of you who here who might want some advance warning of possible Team.Net downtime. I don't want to be the cause of even more hoilday panic! Anyway, here's the message: Yes, there are still some spam messages from hijacked email accounts getting through now and then. I've been working on the issue a bit, but it is turning out to be a case of 'shipwright's disease' as we know it, applied to computers. If you don't know what I am talking about, check out http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=32 Basically to tighten up security and improve a few things I'm planning on updating the operating system and all the user level programs that Team.Net uses. Not a small undertaking, but well within my abilities. Currently there is no budget for hardware upgrades, perhaps after the spring fund drive. Of course, if you haven't yet spent all your loot on holiday gifts and such and wanted to donate [ link below ] I would not complain ;-) The process will take a fair bit of time over who knows how many late nights at the keyboard. With luck it will all be unnoticed by you folks, transparent to the user, as they say. But there is always a chance of service not being available for some period of time, hopefully no more than minutes at a time. It could be something simple, like a stupid typo in a config file, or it could be one of the cats jumping the the keyboard as I go to fetch some more refrehments and somehow managing to hit the CONFIRM REFORMAT OF ALL DISKS button. I remember what it was like when the ISP I was using for the DSL line went belly up and Team.Net was off the air for 8 days - not a good thing. Actually, I wonder what the up vs. down time percentages might be over the last 19 years and 7 months of Team.Net. I won't count the years before that when I ran it from the U of U. Anyway, short story is if Team.Net disappears at times over the next few weeks, don't panic, I'll be working on it. mjb. From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 4 14:12:54 2010 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 13:12:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Mecum Auction Tiger: Selling Today 12/4 Message-ID: <42049.60923.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> FYI (please excuse if this was already posted)... http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=KC1210-103887&entryRow=12 9 Auction is running late... Tiger should sell within next hour or so. From CoolVT at aol.com Sat Dec 4 14:51:42 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 16:51:42 EST Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Auction Message-ID: <68ec2.cc38c6c.3a2c11ee@aol.com> The 67 MKlA on the Mecum Kansas City auction got up to $45,000 and didn't make the reserve. Was nice and clean looking car from the outside. Who knows what the reserve was! Mark L From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Sat Dec 4 16:24:16 2010 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 17:24:16 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Mecum Auction Tiger: Selling Today 12/4 In-Reply-To: <42049.60923.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <42049.60923.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001cb940a$5e8b4380$1ba1ca80$@rr.com> I just got back. Car went to $45K and did not sell. Owner was a fool not to sell. Car was not TACed and has some red flags. See for yourself. http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/009-3.jpg http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011-1.jpg http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/002-9.jpg http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/003-6.jpg http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/004-7.jpg http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/005-4.jpg Looks like my Tiger is really worth ~$60K. Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Waite Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 3:13 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Mecum Auction Tiger: Selling Today 12/4 FYI (please excuse if this was already posted)... http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=KC1210-103887&entryRow=1 2 9 Auction is running late... Tiger should sell within next hour or so. _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wsamouce at kc.rr.com From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Sat Dec 4 16:33:31 2010 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 17:33:31 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Auction In-Reply-To: <68ec2.cc38c6c.3a2c11ee@aol.com> References: <68ec2.cc38c6c.3a2c11ee@aol.com> Message-ID: <000101cb940b$a99386c0$fcba9440$@rr.com> Reserve was $45K. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 3:52 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Auction The 67 MKlA on the Mecum Kansas City auction got up to $45,000 and didn't make the reserve. Was nice and clean looking car from the outside. Who knows what the reserve was! Mark L _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wsamouce at kc.rr.com From CoolVT at aol.com Sat Dec 4 17:35:52 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 19:35:52 EST Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Auction Message-ID: <1c772d.19c723a1.3a2c3868@aol.com> I think if the reserve was $45 it would have sold because the bidding reached $45. Sometimes they announce the reserve when the bidding ends, but in this case I didn't hear them mention it. M In a message dated 12/4/2010 7:25:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wsamouce at kc.rr.com writes: Reserve was $45K. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 3:52 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Auction The 67 MKlA on the Mecum Kansas City auction got up to $45,000 and didn't make the reserve. Was nice and clean looking car from the outside. Who knows what the reserve was! Mark L _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wsamouce at kc.rr.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From atwittsend at verizon.net Sat Dec 4 19:19:06 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 18:19:06 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Mecum Auction Tiger: Selling Today 12/4 References: <42049.60923.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000001cb940a$5e8b4380$1ba1ca80$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4E71DA4835434615A0228436B1D44D34@student2> Wow, that exhaust pass-thru looks like a "muffler bearing" exploded! LOL (see picture 002-9) Thank for the pics. Tom From drmayf at mayfco.com Sat Dec 4 20:01:44 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 19:01:44 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Mecum Auction Tiger: Selling Today 12/4 In-Reply-To: <4E71DA4835434615A0228436B1D44D34@student2> References: <42049.60923.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000001cb940a$5e8b4380$1ba1ca80$@rr.com> <4E71DA4835434615A0228436B1D44D34@student2> Message-ID: <4CFB0098.5070401@mayfco.com> Yeah, I was wondering who "restored" that to the original, lol. Pretty ugly. mayf On 12/4/2010 6:19 PM, Thomas Witt wrote: > Wow, that exhaust pass-thru looks like a "muffler bearing" exploded! > LOL (see picture 002-9) > Thank for the pics. > Tom _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf at mayfco.com From jim at island.net Sat Dec 4 20:17:29 2010 From: jim at island.net (jim) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 19:17:29 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Mecum Auction Tiger: Selling Today 12/4 In-Reply-To: <4E71DA4835434615A0228436B1D44D34@student2> References: <42049.60923.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000001cb940a$5e8b4380$1ba1ca80$@rr.com> <4E71DA4835434615A0228436B1D44D34@student2> Message-ID: <028701cb942a$f3001fc0$d9005f40$@net> That hole looks pretty much the same as the one the 'Jensen' boys torched into the x-frame before they slid on ( and welded ) the pre-made 'pass-through' . My car had similar treatment done except they chopped right through the bottom,too! Jim B382000446 From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:19 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mecum Auction Tiger: Selling Today 12/4 Wow, that exhaust pass-thru looks like a "muffler bearing" exploded! LOL (see picture 002-9) Thank for the pics. Tom From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sat Dec 4 20:30:19 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 14:30:19 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Mecum Auction Tiger: Selling Today 12/4 In-Reply-To: <4E71DA4835434615A0228436B1D44D34@student2> References: <42049.60923.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000001cb940a$5e8b4380$1ba1ca80$@rr.com> <4E71DA4835434615A0228436B1D44D34@student2> Message-ID: I think i mentioned that when this car came up a while back its underside was not so nice.. also of interest to me is that in Dukes auction pics they show the price in $AU.. there have been a LOT of cars heading down under since our $ strengthened against the USA.. and quite a few tigers.. if only the $ was like that when i bought my car in the states.. would have saved me close to $18K! :-S On 5 December 2010 13:19, Thomas Witt wrote: > Wow, that exhaust pass-thru looks like a "muffler bearing" exploded! LOL > (see picture 002-9) > Thank for the pics. > Tom _______________________________________________ > > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From hallmotors at cox.net Sat Dec 4 22:03:15 2010 From: hallmotors at cox.net (Hall Motors) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 23:03:15 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Auction In-Reply-To: <1c772d.19c723a1.3a2c3868@aol.com> References: <1c772d.19c723a1.3a2c3868@aol.com> Message-ID: <011401cb9439$ba027100$2e075300$@net> I was there as well and don't think there was any real money on the car (I'm pretty sure there wasn't unless it was at 20 or 25K). I assume the owner had a reserve of about 50K that he wouldn't budge from and that Mecum shill bid it up to close to his reserve quickly to save time. You can't trust auction numbers for the cars that don't sell. Not a very impressive car. Brad 382000609 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:36 PM To: wsamouce at kc.rr.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Auction I think if the reserve was $45 it would have sold because the bidding reached $45. Sometimes they announce the reserve when the bidding ends, but in this case I didn't hear them mention it. M In a message dated 12/4/2010 7:25:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wsamouce at kc.rr.com writes: Reserve was $45K. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 3:52 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Auction The 67 MKlA on the Mecum Kansas City auction got up to $45,000 and didn't make the reserve. Was nice and clean looking car from the outside. Who knows what the reserve was! Mark L _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wsamouce at kc.rr.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/hallmotors at cox.net From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Dec 5 05:22:26 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 07:22:26 EST Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Auction Message-ID: <4342f.fcaa10c.3a2cde02@aol.com> In a message dated 12/5/2010 12:49:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, hallmotors at cox.net writes: that Mecum shill bid it up to close to his reserve quickly to save time. Guess it's hard to know for sure, but I've heard it's common practice. Mark From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Sun Dec 5 07:15:05 2010 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 09:15:05 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Mecum Auction Tiger: Selling Today 12/4 In-Reply-To: References: <42049.60923.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000001cb940a$5e8b4380$1ba1ca80$@rr.com> <4E71DA4835434615A0228436B1D44D34@student2> Message-ID: i have to say it.... the color is terrible! On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 10:30 PM, michael king wrote: > I think i mentioned that when this car came up a while back its underside > was not so nice.. > > also of interest to me is that in Dukes auction pics they show the price in > $AU.. there have been a LOT of cars heading down under since our $ > strengthened against the USA.. and quite a few tigers.. if only the $ was > like that when i bought my car in the states.. would have saved me close > to $18K! :-S > > On 5 December 2010 13:19, Thomas Witt wrote: > >> Wow, that exhaust pass-thru looks like a "muffler bearing" exploded! LOL >> (see picture 002-9) >> Thank for the pics. >> Tom _______________________________________________ >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com >> >> > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 5 17:10:16 2010 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 19:10:16 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Mecum Auction Tiger: Selling Today 12/4 Message-ID: <17916DF8FE664787AD3AA7EE34354D1F@jeffnicholsPC> "That hole looks pretty much the same as the one the 'Jensen' boys torched into the x-frame before they slid on ( and welded ) the pre-made 'pass-through' . My car had similar treatment done except they chopped right through the bottom,too!" On some cars the cutouts still reside in the frame giving a rattle every now and then. Jeff From bobdixon at frii.com Sun Dec 5 20:58:26 2010 From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 20:58:26 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] World's Fastest Sunbeam in January Classic Motorsports. References: <17916DF8FE664787AD3AA7EE34354D1F@jeffnicholsPC> Message-ID: Got my latest issue of Classic Motorsports and there is a nice one page article about Larry Mayfield and the World's Fastest Sunbeam. -Bob From jd.sencindiver at gmail.com Mon Dec 6 06:35:57 2010 From: jd.sencindiver at gmail.com (Jim Sencindiver) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 08:35:57 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] World's Fastest Sunbeam in January Classic Motorsports. In-Reply-To: References: <17916DF8FE664787AD3AA7EE34354D1F@jeffnicholsPC> Message-ID: I got my copy of Classic Motorsports this weekend as well. John Logan did a good job of condensing Larry's decade plus quest to set the Sunbeam land speed record. Keep on Tigering! Jim Sencindiver B382100451/TAC 448 http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Bob Dixon wrote: > Got my latest issue of Classic Motorsports and there is a nice one page > article about Larry Mayfield and the World's Fastest Sunbeam. > > -Bob _______________________________________________ From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Mon Dec 6 07:56:33 2010 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 14:56:33 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Prepping for lots more HP. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20101206145633.0Q588.128241.root@hrndva-web24-z02> Look what fun I am having. http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/003-7.jpg http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/001-7.jpg I hope to get all the welding done this weekend. Plan on installing a drive shaft loop while I'm at it. From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Dec 6 07:58:45 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 09:58:45 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Mecum Auction Tiger: Selling Today 12/4 In-Reply-To: <000001cb940a$5e8b4380$1ba1ca80$@rr.com> Message-ID: I just took a look at the Vin plate; they really botched that up. They list the Ford engine block casting number as the engine number; big Red Flag. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wsamouce Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 6:24 PM To: 'Bill Waite'; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mecum Auction Tiger: Selling Today 12/4 I just got back. Car went to $45K and did not sell. Owner was a fool not to sell. Car was not TACed and has some red flags. See for yourself. http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/009-3.jpg http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/011-1.jpg http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/002-9.jpg http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/003-6.jpg http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/004-7.jpg http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/005-4.jpg Looks like my Tiger is really worth ~$60K. Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Waite Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 3:13 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Mecum Auction Tiger: Selling Today 12/4 FYI (please excuse if this was already posted)... http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=KC1210-103887&entryRow=1 2 9 Auction is running late... Tiger should sell within next hour or so. _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wsamouce at kc.rr.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3294 - Release Date: 12/03/10 07:34:00 From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Dec 6 09:36:29 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 11:36:29 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Prepping for lots more HP. In-Reply-To: <20101206145633.0Q588.128241.root@hrndva-web24-z02> Message-ID: Duke The rear spring perch is an area that all Tiger owners should inspect regularly. I can almost guarantee that there will be stress cracks there sometime. I noticed mine in turn #10 at Watkins Glen when the tail wiggled strangely 3 times; I went straight into the pits and retired for the day. I drove the Tiger home later that day, jacked the rear up and could just see some cracks in the undercoat and cracks in the metal underneath. Have fun with the welding. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wsamouce at kc.rr.com Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 9:57 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Prepping for lots more HP. Look what fun I am having. http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/003-7.jpg http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/001-7.jpg I hope to get all the welding done this weekend. Plan on installing a drive shaft loop while I'm at it. _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3300 - Release Date: 12/06/10 07:34:00 From achd73 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 6 10:47:08 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 09:47:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Prepping for lots more HP. In-Reply-To: <20101206145633.0Q588.128241.root@hrndva-web24-z02> Message-ID: <41864.73434.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Duke- having welded for a living during my mine construction career, I can honestly say, the one weld I could see looks really good. I know there can be some thin and rusty metal in that area, so I dont envy you the job. I have a pace maker now and they tell me I can't weld or be close to anyone else welding. A friend told me he has a buddy w/ a pace maker that welds every day. I dont want to go thru another surgery if the pace maker people are right, so my welder requires another operator. I hope all your welds turn out as well. Tony From achd73 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 6 11:10:24 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 10:10:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] gauge regulator?? Message-ID: <375972.11817.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does anyone know what ohm reading I should get on the gauge regulator (for lack of a better term). There are two double lugs, a B and an I it looks like and metal strip w/ the letter E. I have one in hand and the metal strip is grounded to the outer case,I get 1 ohm resistance between the two lugs which is what my didgital meter shows between the leads and 143 ohms from the strip(E) to both B and I. I do have a unit I bought from Theo but I havent installed it (my memory and directions = I should have written what Theo told me down). Anyones help would be appreciated as I have several of the gauge regulators and if I live long enough cars to use them on. Thanks in advance. Tony From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Mon Dec 6 12:36:54 2010 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 19:36:54 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Rear Mazda RX7 disk brakes. Message-ID: <20101206193654.TVZU4.136567.root@hrndva-web02-z02> Next Project, I am looking for info on installing the 1985 Mazda RX7 brakes. I have the brackets and know which calipers and rotors to buy. I have been through the archives several times but still have some fuzzy areas. My questions are - Do I need to run two brake lines? How do the parking brake cables work? Can I just run one? If so, the right or left? Will the remove of the brake backing plate and installation of the caliper bracket mess up my rear bearing endplay? Do any of you have pictures of the brakes installed? TIA! Duke B382002037 From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Mon Dec 6 12:29:44 2010 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 19:29:44 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Prepping for lots more HP. In-Reply-To: <41864.73434.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20101206192945.7MH7I.136504.root@hrndva-web02-z02> Thanks Tony, Although I took several welding classes in collage, I will not try this job. A friend of mine who has lots more experience than I and the equipment will be doing the work with beer as payment. I get to do all of the dirty prep work and man the extinguisher during the welding. The right side is looking really good as you pointed out. Looks like my Tiger has never really been stressed. Time to change that. Will be digging into the left side tonight. Duke B382002037 From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tue Dec 7 06:31:35 2010 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 07:31:35 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Prepping for lots more HP cont. In-Reply-To: References: <20101206145633.0Q588.128241.root@hrndva-web24-z02> Message-ID: <000301cb9613$11b43980$351cac80$@rr.com> http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/002-11.jpg http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/001-8.jpg Right side is about ready. Screws are to hold pieces in place for welding. The bolt is to insure the plate is perfectly placed. They will then be removed and screw holes filled. Once everything is tacked in place a hammer can be use to shape the pieces for smaller gaps for welding. I NEED A LIFT. Start on the left side tonight. It should go much quicker due to my experience on the right side. Duke B382002037 From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Wed Dec 8 17:37:29 2010 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 18:37:29 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Is the list down? In-Reply-To: References: <17916DF8FE664787AD3AA7EE34354D1F@jeffnicholsPC> Message-ID: <000001cb9739$42bc0720$c8341560$@rr.com> Nothing in a couple of days? Duke From dave at munroe.ca Mon Dec 6 14:52:30 2010 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 17:52:30 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tom Calvert In-Reply-To: <41864.73434.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <41864.73434.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm looking for the e-mail address for TAC inspector Tom Calvert. Can anyone help me? Many thanks in advance, Dave From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Dec 8 20:26:14 2010 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 21:26:14 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Rear Mazda RX7 disk brakes. In-Reply-To: <20101206193654.TVZU4.136567.root@hrndva-web02-z02> References: <20101206193654.TVZU4.136567.root@hrndva-web02-z02> Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E1D2320B@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Hi Duke, On my rear disc brake setup, I split the line at the battery shelf, then ran individual flex lines to the calipers. Make sure that your caliper mounts put your calipers in a place where the brake lines won't hit the chassis when the suspension moves - this is what plagued me at SUNI V. If the brake caliper mounts have a different thickness than the old drum backplates (or if your caliper mounts attach to the rear of the axle flange) then you'll need to make an appropriate spacer to make up the difference or else it will mess with the bearing endplay. I made spacers from 1/4" aluminum plate, but I don't recall if I had to mill down that 1/4" to a smaller thickness. You need to run two emergency brake cables. I bought a Lokar rear-brake cable kit actually meant for drum brake installations to fit my Ford rear brakes, and I was able to run both cables up through the stock hole. The Lokar adjusters had to be shortened and the brake handle sits on 5/8" or 3/4" spacers (inboard from stock) so that the lever gets a straight shot at the Lokar cable Y-joiner. Hope this helps. I took some pictures when I did it but some of them are really poor so I'm not sure they'd be much help. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wsamouce at kc.rr.com > Sent: December 6, 2010 12:37 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Rear Mazda RX7 disk brakes. > > Next Project, > > I am looking for info on installing the 1985 Mazda RX7 brakes. I have > the brackets and know which calipers and rotors to buy. I have been > through the archives several times but still have some fuzzy areas. > > My questions are - > > Do I need to run two brake lines? > How do the parking brake cables work? Can I just run one? If so, the > right or left? > Will the remove of the brake backing plate and installation of the > caliper bracket mess up my rear bearing endplay? > Do any of you have pictures of the brakes installed? > > TIA! > > Duke > B382002037 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit at dynastream.com > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From stubrennan at comcast.net Wed Dec 8 20:31:18 2010 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 22:31:18 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] gauge regulator?? In-Reply-To: <375972.11817.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001cb9751$8c697de0$6601a8c0@Brennan> The installed regulator has three connections: ground, through the mounting lug, "+12V", the battery voltage, and the output, which is.... Either the battery voltage or 0, switching between these several times a second, so that it averages out to about 10V. See my tech tip on TigersUnited for details: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/BrennanGauge/rt-BrennanGauge1.asp Stu From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com Wed Dec 8 07:28:38 2010 From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 08:28:38 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] BaT Tiger in Hemmings - lots of discussion Message-ID: <003601cb96e4$34dbc8c0$9e935a40$@com> Good quiet morning, I'll bet that many of you have seen this by now, but I got this from Bring a Trailer a couple days ago.it cause some stir in the editors simply because for the price, the car seems like a really incredible deal..granted it hasn't run in a long time but ill bet you could change the fluids and overhaul he carb and drive it away.impressive car for 16k. I have no idea if its still for sale, and haven't checked. For as much attention as its getting I doubt its still available. Cullen 1452 LROFE http://bringatrailer.com/2010/12/07/please-be-real-1965-sunbeam-tiger/#more- http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/sunbeam/tiger/1168896.html From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Dec 6 14:38:31 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 08:38:31 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Prepping for lots more HP. In-Reply-To: <20101206145633.0Q588.128241.root@hrndva-web24-z02> References: <20101206145633.0Q588.128241.root@hrndva-web24-z02> Message-ID: Duke, Apart from bracing/repairing does this mean the stroker is nearing completion? On 7 December 2010 01:56, wrote: > Look what fun I am having. > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/003-7.jpg > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/001-7.jpg > > I hope to get all the welding done this weekend. > > Plan on installing a drive shaft loop while I'm at it. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From achd73 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 8 21:45:38 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 20:45:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] gauge regulator?? In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E1D23209@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <229543.58322.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks a ton to Theo and Stu for the gauge regulator information- into a folder it shall go- take that memory. I gald to see we are back on line again. My donation to Mark after the holidays, we dont realize his value until the list isnt working I hope you guys out in Ca and Fla are warm as its in the teens here tonight in good old southerb IL. cheers, Tony --- On Wed, 12/8/10, Smit, Theo wrote: From: Smit, Theo Subject: RE: [Tigers] gauge regulator?? To: "Tony Somebody" Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 9:17 PM Tony, Sounds about right for the resistance readings. However, the actual voltage it puts out will depend on whether or not the points are sticky or dirty, and how much spring there is in the bimetal strip. On my solid-state regulator, the 12V inputs are labeled IGN, between the two inputs. It's equivalent to the B terminal on the old regulator (their term, "Battery"). The 10V output on my regulator is labeled 10V, between the two outputs. It's On the old one, it's labeled I, for "Instruments". My regulator has one extra output (a single spade lug) that can be used to connect to the original warning lamp if you don't want to use the LED. If you use my regulator and you have two wires (green) going to the two input spade lugs, then you should connect a separate wire between those two spade lugs. Otherwise an overload in whatever is downstream of the regulator will fry the internal connection between those two lugs. Apparently some wiring harnesses, like my late Mk1A, only have one green wire going to the I terminal. Hope this helps - sorry for not replying earlier to your question about the regulator but I was out of the country and then the email slipped my mind. Best regards, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody > Sent: December 6, 2010 11:10 AM > To: Beamclub > Subject: [Tigers] gauge regulator?? > > Does anyone know what ohm reading I should get on the gauge regulator > (for lack of a better term). There are two double lugs, a B and an I it > looks like and metal strip w/ the letter E. I have one in hand and the > metal strip is grounded to the outer case,I get 1 ohm resistance > between the two lugs which is what my didgital meter shows between the > leads and 143 ohms from the strip(E) to both B and I. I do have a unit > I bought from Theo but I havent installed it (my memory and directions > = I should have written what Theo told me down). Anyones help would be > appreciated as I have several of the gauge regulators and if I live > long enough cars to use them on. > Thanks in advance. > Tony > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit at dynastream.com > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From crbernardino at mac.com Mon Dec 6 13:40:59 2010 From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 12:40:59 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Prepping for lots more HP. In-Reply-To: <41864.73434.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <41864.73434.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3548232A-2597-4516-85C0-81AC87458EA6@mac.com> Depends on the welding type and pacemaker type. Actually the most modern pacers now are not effected by radiofrequency leakage which occurs with welding which requires grounding. For older pace makers though, it may be an issue. Rob C. Robert Bernardino MD FACS Oculoplastics and Aesthetic Surgery Vantage Eye Center Monterey, CA www.vantageeye.com Sent from my iPhone 4 On Dec 6, 2010, at 9:47 AM, Tony Somebody wrote: > Duke- having welded for a living during my mine construction career, I can > honestly say, the one weld I could see looks really good. I know there can be > some thin and rusty metal in that area, so I dont envy you the job. I have a > pace maker now and they tell me I can't weld or be close to anyone else > welding. A friend told me he has a buddy w/ a pace maker that welds every day. > I dont want to go thru another surgery if the pace maker people are right, so > my welder requires another operator. I hope all your welds turn out as well. > Tony > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/crbernardino at mac.com From maliburevue at yahoo.com Wed Dec 8 23:28:41 2010 From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 22:28:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Hill Climb Message-ID: <443828.11955.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yikes!!! This is some fine driving. It's a BMW powered Norma M20. The acceleration is unbelievable. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f0p4Qu2qxc&feature=related From lwall at wt-inc.com Tue Dec 7 23:17:37 2010 From: lwall at wt-inc.com (Lynn Wall) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 22:17:37 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale - Gorgeous car Message-ID: <000001cb969f$9ce15290$d6a3f7b0$@com> All, Just the messenger. A friend of mine, Jeff, has a beautiful tiger for sale. It is on Craigslist as well but he has asked that I notify the forum regarding the car. Some of you may know him and the car as he is typically at the Tiger Uniteds. Please contact him at the above email address directly if interested. Lynn Particulars: . Restoration is probably 5-7 years old . 1966 Tiger MK1A . New Tom Hall/Rob Guerra radiator . Pretty stock . The color is 1992 Jeep Cherokee Colorado Red . 289 . Posi . Black interior . Runs great . Lowered Spindles . LAT rims . New dash . New soft top and tonneau From maliburevue at yahoo.com Thu Dec 9 00:19:05 2010 From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 23:19:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Air cleaner Message-ID: <399216.41966.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Did you guys see this? WOW!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Sunbeam-Tiger-Shelby-signed-aluminum-air-clean er-/170572566201?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27b6eaceb9 From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 06:20:20 2010 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 08:20:20 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Prepping for lots more HP cont. In-Reply-To: <000301cb9613$11b43980$351cac80$@rr.com> References: <20101206145633.0Q588.128241.root@hrndva-web24-z02> <000301cb9613$11b43980$351cac80$@rr.com> Message-ID: its really hard to do those welds well upside down. looks like you've done good prep work. On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 8:31 AM, wsamouce wrote: > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/002-11.jpg > > > > http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/001-8.jpg > > > > Right side is about ready. Screws are to hold pieces in place for welding. > The bolt is to insure the plate is perfectly placed. They will then be > removed and screw holes filled. Once everything is tacked in place a hammer > can be use to shape the pieces for smaller gaps for welding. > > I NEED A LIFT. > > Start on the left side tonight. It should go much quicker due to my > experience on the right side. > > > > Duke > > B382002037 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com From barncobob at aol.com Thu Dec 9 06:24:56 2010 From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 08:24:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Tigers] which craigslist Message-ID: <8CD65BB9AFAFA0B-8D0-BA59@webmail-m096.sysops.aol.com> what city craigslist on the red tiger From laurin212 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 9 07:34:29 2010 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 09:34:29 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] BaT Tiger in Hemmings - lots of discussion In-Reply-To: <003601cb96e4$34dbc8c0$9e935a40$@com> References: <003601cb96e4$34dbc8c0$9e935a40$@com> Message-ID: <0C139E6D-75D4-42B5-953A-628A01E6DB7F@yahoo.com> i just sold one in better shape and running well for just a bit more than that. it just depends on whether the seller wants to price it to sell or price it sit On Dec 8, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Cullen McCann wrote: > Good quiet morning, > > > > I'll bet that many of you have seen this by now, but I got this from Bring a > Trailer a couple days ago.it cause some stir in the editors simply because > for the price, the car seems like a really incredible deal..granted it > hasn't run in a long time but ill bet you could change the fluids and > overhaul he carb and drive it away.impressive car for 16k. > > > > I have no idea if its still for sale, and haven't checked. For as much > attention as its getting I doubt its still available. > > > > Cullen > > 1452 LROFE > > > > > > http://bringatrailer.com/2010/12/07/please-be-real-1965-sunbeam-tiger/#more- From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Dec 9 07:42:04 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 09:42:04 EST Subject: [Tigers] BaT Tiger in Hemmings - lots of discussion Message-ID: <4c63a.17148004.3a3244bc@aol.com> Who knows what these things are worth any more. If you read the auction reports in the last issue of "Classic Motorsports" there was a MK1A that went for either $161K or $181K (can't remember which). Not sure how many of the parts were gold:-) Mark In a message dated 12/9/2010 9:38:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, laurin212 at yahoo.com writes: i just sold one in better shape and running well for just a bit more than that. it just depends on whether the seller wants to price it to sell or price it sit On Dec 8, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Cullen McCann wrote: > Good quiet morning, > > > > I'll bet that many of you have seen this by now, but I got this from Bring a > Trailer a couple days ago.it cause some stir in the editors simply because > for the price, the car seems like a really incredible deal..granted it > hasn't run in a long time but ill bet you could change the fluids and > overhaul he carb and drive it away.impressive car for 16k. > > > > I have no idea if its still for sale, and haven't checked. For as much > attention as its getting I doubt its still available. > > > > Cullen > > 1452 LROFE > > > > > > http://bringatrailer.com/2010/12/07/please-be-real-1965-sunbeam-tiger/#more- _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 07:42:28 2010 From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 08:42:28 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] testing.... Message-ID: <005801cb97af$4df676e0$e9e364a0$@com> I emailed about a tiger for sale yesterday, and it didn't post.think im not making it to the list.can anyone hear me? Cullen 1452 LROFE From awtiger at cox.net Thu Dec 9 07:55:18 2010 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 9:55:18 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] testing.... In-Reply-To: <005801cb97af$4df676e0$e9e364a0$@com> Message-ID: <20101209095518.CV13L.319295.imail@eastrmwml49> Loud and clear, dude. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 ---- Cullen McCann wrote: > I emailed about a tiger for sale yesterday, and it didn't post.think im not > making it to the list.can anyone hear me? > > Cullen > 1452 LROFE > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger at cox.net From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 08:06:21 2010 From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 09:06:21 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] BaT Tiger in Hemmings - lots of discussion In-Reply-To: <0C139E6D-75D4-42B5-953A-628A01E6DB7F@yahoo.com> References: <003601cb96e4$34dbc8c0$9e935a40$@com> <0C139E6D-75D4-42B5-953A-628A01E6DB7F@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006501cb97b2$a4276850$ec7638f0$@com> Makes sense......well its hard for me to really grasp the market value of our cars these days. That price seemed low to me for the condition, as well as this one your speaking of Peter....but I agree with what you said...people can "ask" what they want for a car all day...but what it sold for is what really counts. "......i just sold one in better shape and running well for just a bit more than that. it just depends on whether the seller wants to price it to sell or price it sit...." From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 08:07:20 2010 From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 09:07:20 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] testing.... In-Reply-To: <20101209095518.CV13L.319295.imail@eastrmwml49> References: <005801cb97af$4df676e0$e9e364a0$@com> <20101209095518.CV13L.319295.imail@eastrmwml49> Message-ID: <006601cb97b2$c74ebc70$55ec3550$@com> Hi Andy! Thanks everyone...looks like I'm still on the radar...I agree, its been kinda quiet. Hey on the Mazda rear discs...Mike Schreiner is out there ( He cant hide I just heard from him...) IMO he may be the authority on that conversion if you donbt get all your questions answered Duke.... Sorry Mike I just volunteered you... ;) Cullen Loud and clear, dude. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Dec 9 08:08:35 2010 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 09:08:35 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Air cleaner In-Reply-To: <399216.41966.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <399216.41966.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B068405E1D23232@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Congrats to the seller! I hope he/she buys something good with the money... like a killer pair of heads or something. Not sure if this is more extreme than the original LAT79 hood a few years back, that went for $1100. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary > Sent: December 9, 2010 12:19 AM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Air cleaner > > Did you guys see this? WOW!!! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Sunbeam-Tiger-Shelby-signed-aluminum- > air-clean > er- > /170572566201?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27b6eaceb > 9 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/theo.smit at dynastream.com > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com Thu Dec 9 08:22:31 2010 From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 07:22:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Mazda Rear Disc Message-ID: <582141.99048.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I am in the process of putting the Mazda rear disc on my tiger...and a freind of mine already finished his and is driving it....I also plan to do the same on my two Alpines....I had the caliper brackets made locally and have an extra set if someone needs one....I also have a copy of the orig tech tip from way back when (somewhere) Mike Schreiner From jd.sencindiver at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 09:00:23 2010 From: jd.sencindiver at gmail.com (Jim Sencindiver) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 11:00:23 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] BaT Tiger in Hemmings - lots of discussion In-Reply-To: <4c63a.17148004.3a3244bc@aol.com> References: <4c63a.17148004.3a3244bc@aol.com> Message-ID: According to Classic Motorsports, it sold for $161,650 at the Mecum (monterey). Their comment was "Astonishing, and not in a good way. Very well sold." IIRC this Tiger was set up as a tribute to the HSC Tiger. My opinion is that 2 drunk guys with more money than brains bid it up this high. Give me a break - it was not THE HSC Tiger, or one of the Le Mans Tigers (they might legitimately bring over $100,000). Just my humble opinion. Keep on Tigering! Jim Sencindiver B382100451/TAC 448 http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 9:42 AM, wrote: > Who knows what these things are worth any more. If you read the auction > reports in the last issue of "Classic Motorsports" there was a MK1A that > went for either $161K or $181K (can't remember which). Not sure how many of > the > parts were gold:-) > Mark > > > In a message dated 12/9/2010 9:38:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > laurin212 at yahoo.com writes: > > i just sold one in better shape and running well for just a bit more than > that. it just depends on whether the seller wants to price it to sell or > price it sit > > > On Dec 8, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Cullen McCann wrote: > > > Good quiet morning, > > > > > > > > I'll bet that many of you have seen this by now, but I got this from > Bring > a > > Trailer a couple days ago.it cause some stir in the editors simply > because > > for the price, the car seems like a really incredible deal..granted it > > hasn't run in a long time but ill bet you could change the fluids and > > overhaul he carb and drive it away.impressive car for 16k. > > > > > > > > I have no idea if its still for sale, and haven't checked. For as much > > attention as its getting I doubt its still available. > > > > > > > > Cullen > > > > 1452 LROFE > > > > > ______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jd.sencindiver at gmail.com From jrv309 at charter.net Thu Dec 9 10:03:10 2010 From: jrv309 at charter.net (jrv309 at charter.net) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 09:03:10 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Is the list down? In-Reply-To: <000001cb9739$42bc0720$c8341560$@rr.com> References: <17916DF8FE664787AD3AA7EE34354D1F@jeffnicholsPC> <000001cb9739$42bc0720$c8341560$@rr.com> Message-ID: <85301084AEA34223A9F45760EABB26BA@NewDell> I read you 5X5. Jerry and Marlene. -----Original Message----- From: wsamouce Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 4:37 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Is the list down? Nothing in a couple of days? Duke _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jrv309 at charter.net From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 9 16:26:41 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 15:26:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] FW: Rules of Pool In-Reply-To: <790370.96081.qm@web62208.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <951418.13175.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think the rule says "one foot or any part of " on the floor, so she isnt breaking the rules. Probably a bar full of men getting slapped up side their heads if they have the wife or girlfriend with them. She would beat me!!! #yiv1835930419 #yiv1835930419yiv572144955 p.yiv1835930419yiv572144955MsoNormal {margin-left:3.0pt;} IS THIS CHEATING??? To all you pool players...The question has come up "Is this Cheating? It really doesn't matter to me......I was just wondering? From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 9 17:02:09 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 16:02:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] rules of pool Message-ID: <926051.16042.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The email I received was from a LIST member and being as dumb as I'm I hit reply all and when it didn't have the list address I added it. There was a pic, which I wondered how it came thru, again I was thinking it was from the list as opposed to just a member- The pic was of a very large breasted lady with the cue stick between both mammeries,(sp) which where on the table. Another brain fart by Tony the dumbest Tiger of all. From slaifman at socal.rr.com Thu Dec 9 19:07:57 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 18:07:57 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Yet Another Ford? Message-ID: <4D018B7D.8090309@socal.rr.com> I've had a lot of Ford Products, in my day. * 1941 Ford Convertible * 1956 Ford 4 Door hardtop, with Thunderbird styling cues (Came with the Wife) (9-) * 1971 Ford LTD * 1966 For Mustang Convertible GT * 1966 Sunbeam Tiger (BRG) * 2005 Ford Thunderbird (RED) with "RED TOI" personalized plate. Of course I don't still have them all. Just the last 2 on the list - and this one: That is until this Sunday, when we purchased a new 2011 Ford Edge SEL. And it is metallic bright RED. Just bought a License plate that says "RED TOI 2" ( 9-) The Tiger still has the original California plates. So, I have an "All Ford" stable of three cars. The Tiger, as we know, has the Ford Engine and Tranny. The Thunderbird has the Jaguar running gear, and the Edge SEL is partially made in Canada, eh! The Auto Club offered me a policy for the Tiger as a collectible sports car with a "totaled" agreed value as stated ($50,000) . A $1,000 deductible Comprehensive and $1,000 Collision, and annual mileage of 2,000 for $214 with all my normal BI, PD, Medical, Uninsured Motorist (damaging me). I'd like some comments on the insurance, vs Haggerty (who would not take my other cars). I've never had any claims. The new car has so many gadgets, it will take a year to figure them all out. But it does come with a blue-tooth built-in voice dial for BOTH the Motorola and iPhone cell phones. It automatically takes the names and phone number from both the cell phones lists, keeping them separate! The "Paddle Shift" shift lever also has the ability to "manually" change gears. Now, another dilemma! Which do I drive, and when? I know! Whenever and whatever the better 3/5 lets me! Cheers, Steve -- /Steve Laifman/ /Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 19:08:45 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 13:08:45 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] BaT Tiger in Hemmings - lots of discussion In-Reply-To: <003601cb96e4$34dbc8c0$9e935a40$@com> References: <003601cb96e4$34dbc8c0$9e935a40$@com> Message-ID: Am i reading correctly that the red car on BAT pictured in the snow is 16k? Seems cheap to me.. On 9 December 2010 01:28, Cullen McCann wrote: > Good quiet morning, > > > > I'll bet that many of you have seen this by now, but I got this from Bring > a > Trailer a couple days ago.it cause some stir in the editors simply because > for the price, the car seems like a really incredible deal..granted it > hasn't run in a long time but ill bet you could change the fluids and > overhaul he carb and drive it away.impressive car for 16k. > > > > I have no idea if its still for sale, and haven't checked. For as much > attention as its getting I doubt its still available. > > > > Cullen > > 1452 LROFE > > > > > > > http://bringatrailer.com/2010/12/07/please-be-real-1965-sunbeam-tiger/#more- > > > > > > http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/sunbeam/tiger/1168896.html > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com Thu Dec 9 20:18:50 2010 From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Clarkwgriswold) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 21:18:50 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] BaT Tiger in Hemmings - lots of discussion In-Reply-To: References: <003601cb96e4$34dbc8c0$9e935a40$@com> Message-ID: <5F6553DD-8B61-4BDF-8734-03A357E33781@gmail.com> Yep... I thought so too. Real tiger too. Sent from my mobile... On Dec 9, 2010, at 8:08 PM, michael king wrote: > Am i reading correctly that the red car on BAT pictured in the snow is 16k? Seems cheap to me.. > > On 9 December 2010 01:28, Cullen McCann wrote: > Good quiet morning, > > > > I'll bet that many of you have seen this by now, but I got this from Bring a > Trailer a couple days ago.it cause some stir in the editors simply because > for the price, the car seems like a really incredible deal..granted it > hasn't run in a long time but ill bet you could change the fluids and > overhaul he carb and drive it away.impressive car for 16k. > > > > I have no idea if its still for sale, and haven't checked. For as much > attention as its getting I doubt its still available. > > > > Cullen > > 1452 LROFE > > > > > > http://bringatrailer.com/2010/12/07/please-be-real-1965-sunbeam-tiger/#more- > > > > > > http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/sunbeam/tiger/1168896.html > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King From bomber44 at comcast.net Fri Dec 10 09:16:13 2010 From: bomber44 at comcast.net (Rob Guerra) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 08:16:13 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] which craigslist In-Reply-To: <8CD65BB9AFAFA0B-8D0-BA59@webmail-m096.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD65BB9AFAFA0B-8D0-BA59@webmail-m096.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6171280F-547B-408C-85D9-96EB05DEB417@comcast.net> SFBay area On Dec 9, 2010, at 5:24 AM, barncobob at aol.com wrote: > what city craigslist on the red tiger > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bomber44 at comcast.net From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com Fri Dec 10 09:46:32 2010 From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 10:46:32 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] which craigslist In-Reply-To: <6171280F-547B-408C-85D9-96EB05DEB417@comcast.net> References: <8CD65BB9AFAFA0B-8D0-BA59@webmail-m096.sysops.aol.com> <6171280F-547B-408C-85D9-96EB05DEB417@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00a401cb9889$ce772f50$6b658df0$@com> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/2092288035.html gotta be this one..... Subject: Re: [Tigers] which craigslist SFBay area On Dec 9, 2010, at 5:24 AM, barncobob at aol.com wrote: > what city craigslist on the red tiger From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 10 12:38:21 2010 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 14:38:21 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] rules of pool References: <926051.16042.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45441EE368AC496A853F7C6A959CC492@BLUEOVAL> Tony, It is with great sadness that I have to report that I did not receive the described photo of the large breasted woman playing pool. Please forward same directly to me so I can carefully evaluate the depicted subject matter. Regards, Bill Waite ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Somebody" To: "Beamclub" Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 7:02 PM Subject: [Tigers] rules of pool > The email I received was from a LIST member and being as dumb as I'm I hit > reply all and when it didn't have the list address I added it. There was a > pic, which I wondered how it came thru, again I was thinking it was from > the list as opposed to just a member- The pic was of a very large breasted > lady with the cue stick between both mammeries,(sp) which where on the > table. Another brain fart by Tony the dumbest Tiger of all. From laurin212 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 10 13:16:06 2010 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter L) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:16:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] rules of pool In-Reply-To: <45441EE368AC496A853F7C6A959CC492@BLUEOVAL> Message-ID: <625434.4536.qm@web53603.mail.re2.yahoo.com> the list server deletes pics so they cant go through to the list (unfortunately in this case it would seem) :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Somebody" To: "Beamclub" Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 7:02 PM Subject: [Tigers] rules of pool > The email I received was from a LIST member and being as dumb as I'm I hit reply all and when it didn't have the list address I added it. There was a pic, which I wondered how it came thru, again I was thinking it was from the list as opposed to just a member- The pic was of a very large breasted lady with the cue stick between both mammeries,(sp) which where on the table. Another brain fart by Tony the dumbest Tiger of all. From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Fri Dec 10 19:57:13 2010 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 21:57:13 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] garage workshop space in NY Message-ID: hello, i've finally relocated to the big apple and am now looking for garage space within half an hour of the city. if anyone has a double car or more garage space available for rent or knows of any leads, please let me know. from january i'll be looking for space for my tiger, a 1960 mini and my modest array of tools and spares. anyway, sorry to bomb the rest of the world with my request. thanks, - owain. From laurin212 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 12 07:35:15 2010 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 09:35:15 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] garage workshop space in NY In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <09B10E50-5EBB-4315-BCDD-0C465BB4F20A@yahoo.com> welcome to the nightmare that is living in nyc and being a car guy! (at least in manhattan) check craigs list, many private garages on the jersey side of the hudson, some in queens i rent a hanger 90 miles north of nyc, but getting tired of no heat, although nice backroads nearby, around $400 for a HUGE space, but technically you need to keep a plane (sometimes way around this as i dont have one) warehouse units on long island are another option, near the city though they are in hard core industrial areas, nicer ones out near mcarthur airport which is an hr from the city (figure $8-10 per sq foot per year) for mint cars, an option in westchester is collectorscargarage[dot]com/CCG/ for $350 per car but cant work on them there, there is a similar option on long island but about an hr out nothing ideal, the city is all about compromises On Dec 10, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > hello, > > i've finally relocated to the big apple and am now looking for garage > space within half an hour of the city. > if anyone has a double car or more garage space available for rent or > knows of any leads, please let me know. > > from january i'll be looking for space for my tiger, a 1960 mini and > my modest array of tools and spares. > > anyway, sorry to bomb the rest of the world with my request. > > thanks, > > - owain. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/laurin212 at yahoo.com From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Dec 12 08:59:24 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 10:59:24 EST Subject: [Tigers] garage workshop space in NY Message-ID: <3407a.59e15376.3a364b5c@aol.com> Travel 90 miles to get to your car!!!!!!!!!!! Guess I'll stick with the underpopulated areas where the cars sit 20 feet away. I remember years ago renting to a couple in Vermont who were relocating from NY City. Others had told me this apt. was too expensive. This couple told me the rent was less than they had been paying for a parking space in NY :-) Another world for sure. Mark L In a message dated 12/12/2010 9:43:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, laurin212 at yahoo.com writes: welcome to the nightmare that is living in nyc and being a car guy! (at least in manhattan) check craigs list, many private garages on the jersey side of the hudson, some in queens i rent a hanger 90 miles north of nyc, but getting tired of no heat, although nice backroads nearby, around $400 for a HUGE space, but technically you need to keep a plane (sometimes way around this as i dont have one) warehouse units on long island are another option, near the city though they are in hard core industrial areas, nicer ones out near mcarthur airport which is an hr from the city (figure $8-10 per sq foot per year) for mint cars, an option in westchester is collectorscargarage[dot]com/CCG/ for $350 per car but cant work on them there, there is a similar option on long island but about an hr out nothing ideal, the city is all about compromises On Dec 10, 2010, at 9:57 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > hello, > > i've finally relocated to the big apple and am now looking for garage > space within half an hour of the city. > if anyone has a double car or more garage space available for rent or > knows of any leads, please let me know. > > from january i'll be looking for space for my tiger, a 1960 mini and > my modest array of tools and spares. > > anyway, sorry to bomb the rest of the world with my request. > > thanks, > > - owain. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/laurin212 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From jliny5 at cox.net Sun Dec 12 14:21:48 2010 From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 16:21:48 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] My Tiger's History--B9470033FE Message-ID: Hi all, I have been trying to track down any details on the history of my Tiger from previous owners. I have the usual info dump from Norm and according to Norms records the Previous owners from most recent to Oldest are as follows: Dan Fitzgerald (Dan gave me all the info and photos he had when I purchased the car in Florida in 2000) John Weber ( I have exchanged emails with John, but unfortunately he only owned the car for a short period 1999-2000 and was unable to add anything substantive) C. Carmichael (Unfortunately, Mr. Carmichael has passed on) R. White R. Collier I am especially interested in the replacement of the original 260 with a 289 (something Dan Fitzgerald corrected when he restored the car in 2000-2003.) If anybody knows the first two owners, how to contact them, or anything about their ownership of my Tiger I would be most interested. Any photos would of course be above and beyond. I know it is not much to go on but any info is appreciated. Thanks, Jim Lindner B9470033 From Rollright at aol.com Mon Dec 13 09:56:21 2010 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 11:56:21 EST Subject: [Tigers] heater/de-mister fan Message-ID: <6f20e.465e51b7.3a37aa35@aol.com> Hello, The heater de-mister fan is so f-[*ing anemic ! All it does is suck current and nothing serious happens. Anybody ever found a replacement or solution to really blow some air around in the cabin? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Dec 13 10:07:23 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:07:23 EST Subject: [Tigers] heater/de-mister fan Message-ID: <2947a.4186badf.3a37accb@aol.com> Jim, Someone once wrote on the list that it's not so much the fan, but the wiring size that feeds it. The advice was to run a very heavy wire direct to the fan activated by a relay. Intend to try that myself next summer. M In a message dated 12/13/2010 12:00:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Rollright at aol.com writes: Hello, The heater de-mister fan is so f-[*ing anemic ! All it does is suck current and nothing serious happens. Anybody ever found a replacement or solution to really blow some air around in the cabin? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Mon Dec 13 10:22:42 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:22:42 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] heater/de-mister fan In-Reply-To: <6f20e.465e51b7.3a37aa35@aol.com> References: <6f20e.465e51b7.3a37aa35@aol.com> Message-ID: Jim, Pretty sure you already know this, but here goes anyway: VickyBrit sells a replacement motor, pn: 12-080, it ain't cheap, @ $70.00, but it worked when I had to replace mine. There's a compression clamp that goes on the shaft that could be loose, causing the motor shaft to spin in the squirrel cage, and the heater switch or wiring could be bad. You're right, though, the blower's pretty anemic even with a new motor, and not as quiet as I'd like. See also C.A.T> Shop Notes, P. N-35. Tom '67 Mark 2 with an incontinent thermostat housing... On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:56 AM, wrote: > Hello, > > The heater de-mister fan is so f-[*ing anemic ! All it does is suck > current and nothing serious happens. > > Anybody ever found a replacement or solution to really blow some air around > in the cabin? > > > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Dec 13 10:34:43 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:34:43 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] heater/de-mister fan In-Reply-To: <6f20e.465e51b7.3a37aa35@aol.com> Message-ID: Jim The fan motor should draw way less than an amp, somewhere around .3 amp I believe. If it draws more than an amp; the Oilite bearings have seized to the motor shaft. You can disassemble the motor to get at the bushing to free them. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 11:56 AM To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] heater/de-mister fan Hello, The heater de-mister fan is so f-[*ing anemic ! All it does is suck current and nothing serious happens. Anybody ever found a replacement or solution to really blow some air around in the cabin? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3307 - Release Date: 12/13/10 07:35:00 From Rollright at aol.com Mon Dec 13 10:42:31 2010 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:42:31 EST Subject: [Tigers] heater fan Message-ID: <7375c.6802ad3a.3a37b507@aol.com> BTW The fan works about as well as it did when I bought the car in 1976, about 9 years after it went on the road. It works now without screaming, but it is about as vigorous as one powered by a D cell battery (exaggeration). Someone must have come up with something way....stronger over the years. What is the Alpine list's contact? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE From mai65tai at sonic.net Mon Dec 13 13:19:57 2010 From: mai65tai at sonic.net (John Stithem) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:19:57 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] heater/de-mister fan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <683CBE20-EBBD-4D2F-80DB-69495432734C@sonic.net> Along those same lines---The heater motor is not much better than the wiper motor on the power scale. Has anyone come up with a replacement/fix to get the wipers to do something other than just smear the rain across the windshield? When it's dirty water on the windshield I think we all end up driving by feel because we can't see a damn thing. John > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 11:56:21 EST > From: Rollright at aol.com > Subject: [Tigers] heater/de-mister fan > To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net > Message-ID: <6f20e.465e51b7.3a37aa35 at aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello, > > The heater de-mister fan is so f-[*ing anemic ! All it does is suck > current and nothing serious happens. > > Anybody ever found a replacement or solution to really blow some air around > in the cabin? > > > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE From achd73 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 13 13:59:15 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 12:59:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] heater/de-mister fan In-Reply-To: <683CBE20-EBBD-4D2F-80DB-69495432734C@sonic.net> Message-ID: <178069.18287.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rain X works much beter then the wipers. My driver side turns on the inside but not the part the wiper fits over. Having dreaded the job, Ive used rainx thru heavy rains. Works great. TtT --- On Mon, 12/13/10, John Stithem wrote: From: John Stithem Subject: [Tigers] heater/de-mister fan To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 2:19 PM Along those same lines---The heater motor is not much better than the wiper motor on the power scale. Has anyone come up with a replacement/fix to get the wipers to do something other than just smear the rain across the windshield? When it's dirty water on the windshield I think we all end up driving by feel because we can't see a damn thing. John > Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From atwittsend at verizon.net Mon Dec 13 18:25:30 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:25:30 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] heater fan References: <7375c.6802ad3a.3a37b507@aol.com> Message-ID: The MG Midget fan motor is also a replacement. Ironically it is smaller, but somewhere in the recesses of my mind I recall someone (CAT shop notes ???) saying is was somewhat more powerful. I actually had installed one in my 10 year "jackstanded" Tiger. However, it also provided ideal for turbo clearance in my Turbo Pinto. So, it was swapped out. FYI, I had to run the Midget fan backwards in the Pinto. On top of that the Midget cage was about 1"-1-1/2" smaller than the Pinto's. Regardless, I still felt it moved more air than the stock Pinto setup. I think I paid about $12 at Pick A Part for the Midget fan and cage. Tom From jmartiniii at yahoo.com Wed Dec 15 13:58:43 2010 From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:58:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Ho Ho Ho & Merry Christmas Message-ID: <984275.3037.qm@web38106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for all your patience, sharing of your expertise, knowledge, part numbers and guidance through out the year. It has been invaluable during my restoration of the 66 MK1A! Only 13 months left of what I estimate to be a 2 year project. Now if I can only make a choice of paint colors - Meteor Grey, Slate Grey Metallic (Porsche colors) or Anthracite Grey (MB)..... or Silver Mink of the 64 289 Cobra era or ..... Wishing everyone a safe and happy Merry Christmas! May there be Sunbeam parts under your tree. Joel Martin From achd73 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 15 15:34:29 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 14:34:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Ho Ho Ho & Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: <984275.3037.qm@web38106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <29810.27847.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> THANKS Joel And to all our wonderful members, I hope your children and grandchildren, as we are getting older,have a wonderful holiday and may 2011 improve over 2010 as it comes to a close. We have much to celebrate in reality as Doc Mayf set a record which had stood for years,We have new members, which is always a help to any organization and although I know we have members with health issues, at least we are still around.I'm often ask,"How are you doing Tony?" and I reply. "Wonderful" that's for fear it might get worse. Turkey day is gone and Xmas eve is but a week away. With that in mind, may you and your families have the Merriest Christmas of any in the past and may the New Year bring happiness (Beam parts) and health to each family member and toys for the little ones, like books and educational Cd's and DVDs. For the wives of the Tiger owners, I'm sure you have learned to love the car or hate it as they are expensive to work on, another tool is always needed, not to mention a LAT part. My advice is demand equal time behind the wheel BUT that's easy for me, I'm single. I have to admit, a couple of girlfriends back, on our way to S.C. to a TE/AE United, I got so sleepy, I ask her to drive. her car was a Mustang convertible with a 5.0 HO 5 speed and to be honest, as soon as she learned how to stop the Tiger, she did an excellent job. Funny I was so tierd and sleepy, I didn't sleep a wink while she drove. Merry Christmas to ALL. TonytheTiger --- On Wed, 12/15/10, Joel Martin wrote: From: Joel Martin Subject: [Tigers] Ho Ho Ho & Merry Christmas To: "Tiger List Serve" Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 2:58 PM Thanks for all your patience, sharing of your expertise, knowledge, part numbers and guidance through out the year. It has been invaluable during my restoration of the 66 MK1A! Only 13 months left of what I estimate to be a 2 year project. Now if I can only make a choice of paint colors - Meteor Grey, Slate Grey Metallic (Porsche colors) or Anthracite Grey (MB)..... or Silver Mink of the 64 289 Cobra era or ..... Wishing everyone a safe and happy Merry Christmas! May there be Sunbeam parts under your tree. Joel Martin _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From irishcamp at hotmail.com Wed Dec 15 22:16:07 2010 From: irishcamp at hotmail.com (paul jelinek) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 21:16:07 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] MKII charging problem Message-ID: I have a MKII with an ongoing charging problem. At times I get 13.7 to 14v - other times a little under 12v. Alternator is good, voltage regulator is fine and connections are good. It has been suggested the 6RA relay (which is apparently unique to the MKII) could be the problem. What does this relay do? Can it be repaired? (what values?) Bypassed? Replaced? Thanks, Paul Jelinek From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Thu Dec 16 06:07:17 2010 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 07:07:17 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Drive Shaft Loop in. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001cb9d22$2aea05e0$80be11a0$@rr.com> I purchased a TD Trans Dapt universal Driveshaft Loop (part #4140). It was not so universal for the Tiger. I had to use the material I cut off the mounting bracket to exteen the upper loop by 2". Here is a pic - http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy249/samouce/002-13.jpg The front spring mount are now finished and the car is back on its wheels. Disk brakes next ;^) Duke B382002037 From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Thu Dec 16 07:54:36 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 09:54:36 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] MKII charging problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Paul, The 6RA is used to isolate the alternator field when the key is off. The white wire picks the relay (key on), sends battery voltage (brown/black wire) through a @ 20w 15 ohm resistor whose only function as far as I can tell is to light the ignition light on the dash to the I connector (brown/yellow wire) to the voltage regulator. The voltage regulator determines when and by how much to power the alternator field and charge the battery. So, battery voltage (say @ 12 1/2v) is appropriate when the battery is charged, and @ 14V is appropriate when the battery needs charging. With the engine off you should read @ 12 1/2v on a fully charged battery (I'm sure you know that but it bears repeating.) Anything less should result in @ 13 1/2 - 14v when the engine is running (from the alternator). Key point: is the ignition light on when the key is on? If so you're feeding the voltage regulator. If not, suspect the lamp first, then the the 6RA (available from Rick at SS or from British Wiring), or the resistor is bad (available from Rick). Tom. who just got done playing with the same problem '67 Mark 2 breathing on its own after a twenty year nap. On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:16 AM, paul jelinek wrote: > I have a MKII with an ongoing charging problem. At times I get 13.7 to 14v > - > other times a little under 12v. Alternator is good, voltage regulator is > fine > and connections are good. It has been suggested the 6RA relay (which is > apparently unique to the MKII) could be the problem. What does this relay > do? > Can it be repaired? (what values?) Bypassed? Replaced? > > Thanks, > Paul Jelinek > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Dec 16 08:01:23 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 10:01:23 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] MKII charging problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul I'm not an electrical expert but my understanding is that the 6RA relay just gives the ignition warning light a clean ON / OFF signal. I would think that if there is a problem with the relay that the ignition light would be faintly ON or flickering some. Basic wiring: the relay has 4 connections C2 - brown wire = battery 12v W2 - white wire = switched 12v C1 - brown/ black - relay to ignition warning light W1 - black = ground Voltage regulator: I - brown/ yellow - regulator to ignition warning light There is also a resistor in parallel with the ignition warning light; I'm not sure of the value - 5 Ohm , 5 Watt comes to mind but it's just a guess. The resistor could be shorting internally or to ground. I don't know what this resistor looks like or where it is located to really say. Check that all the connections and wires are in good shape at the voltage regulator, alternator, ignition switch, 6RA relay, ignition light, resistor and the fuses. I believe you can disconnect any or all of the wires for the relay and ignition light to remove the relay and ignition warning light from the circuit; then check the running voltage. This should help you isolate the problem a bit more. Also check that the fan belt is in good condition and adjusted correctly. I would think you would hear belt squeal if the belt was too loose but it should be checked. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of paul jelinek Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 12:16 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] MKII charging problem I have a MKII with an ongoing charging problem. At times I get 13.7 to 14v - other times a little under 12v. Alternator is good, voltage regulator is fine and connections are good. It has been suggested the 6RA relay (which is apparently unique to the MKII) could be the problem. What does this relay do? Can it be repaired? (what values?) Bypassed? Replaced? Thanks, Paul Jelinek _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3317 - Release Date: 12/15/10 07:34:00 From irishcamp at hotmail.com Fri Dec 17 09:01:03 2010 From: irishcamp at hotmail.com (paul jelinek) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 08:01:03 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Charging problem Message-ID: Thanks to those that responded to my charging question. The 6 RA relay was indeed the problem and for the time being has been replaced with a modern solid state unit. I guess 43 years of service for a Lucas part is more than a person can ask for. From tlkukla at comcast.net Fri Dec 17 18:58:42 2010 From: tlkukla at comcast.net (Tom Kukla) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:58:42 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Centerforce Clutch Message-ID: Listers, I am about to replace my current McLeod clutch with a Centerforce. The McLeod requires to much pressure to disengage and is ruining the clutch master cylinder. The question I have is which Centerforce clutch to replace it with. I drive on the street often but attend as many open tracks as possible. I am inclined to go with the "Dual Friction" but don't know how streetable it is. The engine has approximately 400 HP and on the brink of not being streetable for some people. The McLeod has been in the Tiger about 8 years and hasn't given me any trouble except for the master cylinder issue, so it is very durable. I also notice Centerforce has 10" and 10.4" clutches. Which one does the Tiger have (I can't remember)? Can anyone share their experience with the "Dual Friction" Centerforce? Tom Kukla tlkukla at comcast.net From jim at island.net Fri Dec 17 19:32:16 2010 From: jim at island.net (jim) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:32:16 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Centerforce Clutch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <016b01cb9e5b$c9891d50$5c9b57f0$@net> Hi Tom Search the archives for 'Centerforce' as this topic was brought up not that long ago. I have a dual friction with about 400 HP Works great !!! I think you order the mid-60's 10" Mustang one IIRC. There's just one part # as that model comes as a matched set. I took out a Mcleod and find the pedal pressure much less with the new Centerforce. Jim B382000446 From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom Kukla Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 5:59 PM To: Tigers Subject: [Tigers] Centerforce Clutch Listers, I am about to replace my current McLeod clutch with a Centerforce. The McLeod requires to much pressure to disengage and is ruining the clutch master cylinder. The question I have is which Centerforce clutch to replace it with. I drive on the street often but attend as many open tracks as possible. I am inclined to go with the "Dual Friction" but don't know how streetable it is. The engine has approximately 400 HP and on the brink of not being streetable for some people. The McLeod has been in the Tiger about 8 years and hasn't given me any trouble except for the master cylinder issue, so it is very durable. I also notice Centerforce has 10" and 10.4" clutches. Which one does the Tiger have (I can't remember)? Can anyone share their experience with the "Dual Friction" Centerforce? Tom Kukla tlkukla at comcast.net _______________________________________________ From allanballard at att.net Sat Dec 18 17:38:56 2010 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 19:38:56 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] future problem? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B055F60-40CC-45AF-8E8A-575D07993C53@att.net> From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sun Dec 19 07:45:29 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 09:45:29 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] future problem? In-Reply-To: <4B055F60-40CC-45AF-8E8A-575D07993C53@att.net> Message-ID: <6EA54FC1A8FE49238256D5A22B4267F7@ronpc1> Allan Good to bring this to everyone's attention. I'm sure Norm will take note if he does not already have this Tiger listed as destroyed. I would make note of the numbers too but the pictures do not resolve past fuzzy on my computer. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Allan Ballard [mailto:allanballard at att.net] Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 7:39 PM To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; Beamclub TIGER Subject: future problem? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1965-Sunbeam-Tiger-Cowl-section-tags-/1705811 10767?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27b76d2fef= No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3323 - Release Date: 12/18/10 07:34:00 From jim at island.net Sun Dec 19 13:25:09 2010 From: jim at island.net (jim) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 12:25:09 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] heater fan In-Reply-To: <7375c.6802ad3a.3a37b507@aol.com> References: <7375c.6802ad3a.3a37b507@aol.com> Message-ID: <003401cb9fba$d56ac9b0$80405d10$@net> Hi Jim I just came across a fellow on e-Bay UK that makes brand new heater blowers for Sunbeams. purportedly from original tooling. He has an ad on there right now for a new heater valve at a decent price among other things. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SUNBEAM-ALPINE-TIGER-MK1-MK4-HEATER-VALVE-SEAL-/250742 893737?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM &hash=item3a6170eca9 and if you look at the pics, you can see the heater. might be worth checking into. Jim B382000446 From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 9:43 AM To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] heater fan BTW The fan works about as well as it did when I bought the car in 1976, about 9 years after it went on the road. It works now without screaming, but it is about as vigorous as one powered by a D cell battery (exaggeration). Someone must have come up with something way....stronger over the years. What is the Alpine list's contact? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3291 - Release Date: 12/01/10 Internal Virus Database is out of date. From allfudge1635 at gmail.com Sun Dec 19 18:24:51 2010 From: allfudge1635 at gmail.com (Al Fudge) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 17:24:51 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Frame jig Message-ID: All, The more I look at my Tiger the more I realize I'll need a frame jig to support the body as I make the repairs. Does anyone have any sources or ideas about the construction of a jig? I have a few thoughts about the construction of the jig and I have lots of time now to continue thinking as I just had rotator cuff surgery a few weeks ago. Any sources or thoughts about a frame jig are much appreciated. Al B9471635 From sawhill at att.net Sun Dec 19 19:51:52 2010 From: sawhill at att.net (Kenda Sawhill) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 18:51:52 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Frame Jig Message-ID: <2475BAB4F52349558AF881E10617AA00@HomeOffice> Hello Al, There is a product called Uni-Jig, you can search it, I saw it on one of the car shows. If I remember correctly it is not cheap. From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com Mon Dec 20 04:15:10 2010 From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Clarkwgriswold) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 05:15:10 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Frame jig In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <367EDDCD-0A51-4A40-B0E1-A1A0D406B5F9@gmail.com> Hi Al, I do have some thoughts on how a good frame jig should be built. I had some help when my Tiger had some sheet metal work done, saw it on it's frame jig, and now I'm building a frame jig myself to make some similar body panel repairs to my Pantera, also a monocoque car. In my opinion, a good frame jig is first and foremost square and level to high degree of precision. I would say within a 32nd of an inch across it's plane. Its footprint size should be large enough that you can weld directly to the table or jig and build a support for the car about anywhere, even to the outside of the body. I think for me it will be about 12 inches larger than the car in each direction. I will start by building a frame out if 2x4 or so .120 wall rectangular tubing, with legs of the same material about 24 to 30 inches tall. The legs should be triangulated and braced against flex it movement. Some would have a whole other frame outline near the bottom of the legs and diagonal braces in each side opening. The main thing a frame table or jig table needs to do is obviously support the car and be stronger than the cars tendency to flex when critical panels are removed it when heat is applied through welding to it. Lastly, some will top the table with a thick plate, often 3/4 or even 1" thick steel plate, and true it to the frame. This is hard because the cold rolled steel plate will have a natural bow to it, and it will weigh a huge amount, potentially a thousand pounds....but with welding it to the table properly you can use a Porto power and such to true it up to tolerance. Lastly I would have super heavy duty locking casters so you can roll it around. I will actual have like 1" all thread threaded rod just to the inside of the legs that will have feet that can adjust down lower than the casters to make it immobile and also level the table. Off the floor. That's how I would do it. I have a few images I created of one I built on a computer model, and would be happy to send you if you like. I have a few more thoughts but gotta run. Will chat again later. Sent from my mobile... On Dec 19, 2010, at 7:24 PM, Al Fudge wrote: > All, > > The more I look at my Tiger the more I realize I'll need a frame jig to > support the body as I make the repairs. Does anyone have any sources or > ideas about the construction of a jig? I have a few thoughts about the > construction of the jig and I have lots of time now to continue thinking as > I just had rotator cuff surgery a few weeks ago. Any sources or thoughts > about a frame jig are much appreciated. > > Al > B9471635 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com From allfudge1635 at gmail.com Mon Dec 20 17:16:18 2010 From: allfudge1635 at gmail.com (Al Fudge) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:16:18 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Frame jig In-Reply-To: <367EDDCD-0A51-4A40-B0E1-A1A0D406B5F9@gmail.com> References: <367EDDCD-0A51-4A40-B0E1-A1A0D406B5F9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Clarke, We are thinking along the same lines. I may be at overkill with building the frame out of 6 x 4 tubing. I have been thinking about making it longer than the car so I can put it on the rotisserie, and also have teh option to place it on legs. I'll probably have the materials all sut and then deliver to a machine shop so I can be sure it's set up true. I haven't started the design yet: I'd love to see your images. They probably won't be allowed on the Tiger list but if your so inclined you could send them to al at airtest.us, my alter ego. Thanks, Al On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 3:15 AM, Clarkwgriswold wrote: > Hi Al, I do have some thoughts on how a good frame jig should be built. I > had some help when my Tiger had some sheet metal work done, saw it on it's > frame jig, and now I'm building a frame jig myself to make some similar body > panel repairs to my Pantera, also a monocoque car. In my opinion, a good > frame jig is first and foremost square and level to high degree of > precision. I would say within a 32nd of an inch across it's plane. Its > footprint size should be large enough that you can weld directly to the > table or jig and build a support for the car about anywhere, even to the > outside of the body. I think for me it will be about 12 inches larger than > the car in each direction. I will start by building a frame out if 2x4 or > so .120 wall rectangular tubing, with legs of the same material about 24 to > 30 inches tall. The legs should be triangulated and braced against flex it > movement. Some would have a whole other frame outline near the bottom of the > legs and diagonal braces in each side opening. The main thing a frame table > or jig table needs to do is obviously support the car and be stronger than > the cars tendency to flex when critical panels are removed it when heat is > applied through welding to it. Lastly, some will top the table with a thick > plate, often 3/4 or even 1" thick steel plate, and true it to the frame. > This is hard because the cold rolled steel plate will have a natural bow to > it, and it will weigh a huge amount, potentially a thousand pounds....but > with welding it to the table properly you can use a Porto power and such to > true it up to tolerance. Lastly I would have super heavy duty locking > casters so you can roll it around. I will actual have like 1" all thread > threaded rod just to the inside of the legs that will have feet that can > adjust down lower than the casters to make it immobile and also level the > table. Off the floor. > > That's how I would do it. I have a few images I created of one I built on a > computer model, and would be happy to send you if you like. > > I have a few more thoughts but gotta run. Will chat again later. > > > > Sent from my mobile... > > On Dec 19, 2010, at 7:24 PM, Al Fudge wrote: > > > All, > > > > The more I look at my Tiger the more I realize I'll need a frame jig to > > support the body as I make the repairs. Does anyone have any sources or > > ideas about the construction of a jig? I have a few thoughts about the > > construction of the jig and I have lots of time now to continue thinking > as > > I just had rotator cuff surgery a few weeks ago. Any sources or thoughts > > about a frame jig are much appreciated. > > > > Al > > B9471635 > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com From allfudge1635 at gmail.com Mon Dec 20 17:16:53 2010 From: allfudge1635 at gmail.com (Al Fudge) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:16:53 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Frame Jig In-Reply-To: <2475BAB4F52349558AF881E10617AA00@HomeOffice> References: <2475BAB4F52349558AF881E10617AA00@HomeOffice> Message-ID: Thanks, I'll look. On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Kenda Sawhill wrote: > Hello Al, > > > > There is a product called Uni-Jig, you can search it, I saw it on one of > the > car shows. If I remember correctly it is not cheap. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allfudge1635 at gmail.com From allanballard at att.net Mon Dec 20 19:15:41 2010 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 21:15:41 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: future problem? References: <4B055F60-40CC-45AF-8E8A-575D07993C53@att.net> Message-ID: <09330408-8ED8-4E2C-9096-4F6307BAA6A0@att.net> Resubmission as I'm told the link was killed by the list-server. Apparently the item was removed from EBAY. The EBAY item was for a Tiger cowl with VIN intact. Allan Ballard MK 1-a Tiger SIV Alpine > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1965-Sunbeam-Tiger-Cowl-section-tags-/17058111 0767?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27b76d2fef From rande at thecia.net Mon Dec 20 21:17:08 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 23:17:08 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger in Hemmings Message-ID: <4d102a44.4a33.0@thecia.net> See www.hemmings.com and click on 'email newsletter'. There's a Mark II (with aftermarket side mouldings!) offered for $55,000. The car is apparently in Hawthorne,CA (near LAX). Not my car, I just get the daily newsletter. From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Dec 20 23:34:33 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 17:34:33 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: future problem? In-Reply-To: <09330408-8ED8-4E2C-9096-4F6307BAA6A0@att.net> References: <4B055F60-40CC-45AF-8E8A-575D07993C53@att.net> <09330408-8ED8-4E2C-9096-4F6307BAA6A0@att.net> Message-ID: I was wondering what that was you were talking about, i saved that picture and VIN on my home computer so can post if people want to know what VIN/JAL it was.. I know there are people down my side of the world that would use that without hesitation to "alger" and then on-sell.. there are some VERY suspect people in my neck of the woods away from the eyes of TAC etc... I was more comfortable buying a tiger from the USA than getting one locally. On 21 December 2010 13:15, Allan Ballard wrote: > Resubmission as I'm told the link was killed by the list-server. > > Apparently the item was removed from EBAY. > > The EBAY item was for a Tiger cowl with VIN intact. > > Allan Ballard > MK 1-a Tiger > SIV Alpine > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1965-Sunbeam-Tiger-Cowl-section-tags-/17058111 > 0767?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27b76d2fef > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Dec 20 23:35:28 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 17:35:28 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger in Hemmings In-Reply-To: <4d102a44.4a33.0@thecia.net> References: <4d102a44.4a33.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: That car has been for sale for that price coming close to 4 years i htink... i first saw it in 2007 same pics of it in the garage and same thick side stripe added.. wonder what the deal is? On 21 December 2010 15:17, rande wrote: > See www.hemmings.com and click on 'email newsletter'. There's a Mark II > (with > aftermarket side mouldings!) offered for $55,000. The car is apparently in > Hawthorne,CA > (near LAX). Not my car, I just get the daily newsletter. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From jmartiniii at yahoo.com Tue Dec 21 13:43:17 2010 From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:43:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Spark Plugs/Gap/Oil Filter Message-ID: <265452.58266.qm@web38103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What is the correct spark plug and gap for a 65 289 HiPo motor? Also the correct oil filter (brand and part #)with the stock remote oil filter set up? Thanks in advance. Joel Martin From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Dec 21 14:25:05 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:25:05 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Spark Plugs/Gap/Oil Filter In-Reply-To: <265452.58266.qm@web38103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7E0A40F9B98A444EB0CE15BD9D7135A7@ronpc1> Joel Spark plug = BF-32 Gap = .028" - .032" Original Tiger oil filter = C1AZ-6731-A This is the large standard Ford Filter for any small block Ford engine. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 3:43 PM To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Spark Plugs/Gap/Oil Filter What is the correct spark plug and gap for a 65 289 HiPo motor? Also the correct oil filter (brand and part #)with the stock remote oil filter set up? Thanks in advance. Joel Martin _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3329 - Release Date: 12/21/10 07:34:00 From vegaslegal at aol.com Wed Dec 22 17:21:33 2010 From: vegaslegal at aol.com (vegaslegal at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:21:33 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Hemmings Tiger Message-ID: <8CD704E7CC2ABF1-10C0-5920@webmail-m012.sysops.aol.com> Right about what it likely takes to get it on the road. Mine was stored seventeen years when I bought it. Didn't even rebuild carb before I tried. Replaced fluids and plugs after shooting oil down the open plug holes. Ran the fuel line to a remote fuel pump to a gas can. Started on first turn. Does not smoke. Does not miss. Carol Shelby picked that 260 because it was indestructable, and it appears he was right. From cyclepops at aol.com Wed Dec 22 17:28:27 2010 From: cyclepops at aol.com (cyclepops at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:28:27 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] frame Message-ID: <8CD704F73870381-8E4-12EC0@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> anybody know where a frame for 67 tiger might be??? From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Dec 22 17:39:47 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 16:39:47 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] frame References: <8CD704F73870381-8E4-12EC0@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: >>> anybody know where a frame for 67 tiger might be???<<< Sorry to say initially welded to the bottom of any other existing Tiger. The construction is "Unibody" (body/chassis as one), the Tiger does not have a separate, removable frame. Tom From atwittsend at verizon.net Thu Dec 23 00:36:16 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 23:36:16 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] frame References: <8CD704F73870381-8E4-12EC0@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> <8CD706A2D3B8AB6-8E4-14F42@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: >>>would you know where there is one OR WHAT WOULD I HAVE TO PAY FOR ONE >>>(body/chassis ), ???<<< Well, just asking the list probably got the word out. The Tiger unibody is considered rather valuable because ultimately can still be (restored to) a Tiger. The likelihood of finding one in decent shape is rather small. The only way I see one being available is because a car is wrecked (and that would be of no value to you). Or, if one was stolen, stripped and then recovered. As to price...??? I think at least $5,000-$10,000 for a bare unibody in decent shape. But that is a pure speculation on my part. I'm not sure what you are trying to build, restore or??? If you would post your plans perhaps you would receive a better response. I'm not sure how "up" on Tigers you are. While they were based on the Alpine, Tigers are considered unique in their method of construction. You might want to look at Norm Millers Rootes1 site as there is a lot to be gathered on the subject. http://www.rootes1.com/ Tom From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Dec 23 06:29:36 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 08:29:36 EST Subject: [Tigers] Fuel mixture-Non Tiger Message-ID: <3c78a.3d172e6f.3a44a8c0@aol.com> Popular Mechanics on ethanol. _http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/biofuels/e15-gasoline -damage-engine_ (http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/biofuels/e15-gasoline-damage-engine) From Rollright at aol.com Thu Dec 23 14:32:18 2010 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:32:18 EST Subject: [Tigers] bumper over-riders Message-ID: Hello, I got a set of bumpers chromed recently, and now am addressing the over-riders In the Alpine parts list there are two listed: 2226483 and 5115347 and from the outside they look identical. The 2226483 seems to be an over-rider with slightly thicker steel and an internal brace brazed inside. The brace has a bolt hole which is threaded for the fixing bolt. 5115347 has thinner steel, no internal bracing, and a carriage bolt hole to stop the fixing bolt (carriage) from turning. I have a Mk 1A with the latter type and am tempted to switch to the old (seeming all around better) type. Further, I don't know if any Tigers came with early type. Anybody have an inside line on this issue? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Dec 23 14:36:08 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 08:36:08 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] bumper over-riders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jim, Cant say which tigers used what number, but... i assume the numbers both relate to the later style with rubber insert, these started on the SIV alpines, which were the first to move away from the ornate SI-3 versions. So you would assume the early MKI uses the same as the SIV alpines. On 24 December 2010 08:32, wrote: > Hello, > > I got a set of bumpers chromed recently, and now am addressing the > over-riders > > In the Alpine parts list there are two listed: > 2226483 and 5115347 and from the outside they look identical. > > The 2226483 seems to be an over-rider with slightly thicker steel and an > internal brace brazed inside. The brace has a bolt hole which is threaded > for the fixing bolt. > > 5115347 has thinner steel, no internal bracing, and a carriage bolt hole to > stop the fixing bolt (carriage) from turning. > > I have a Mk 1A with the latter type and am tempted to switch to the old > (seeming all around better) type. Further, I don't know if any Tigers came > with early type. > > Anybody have an inside line on this issue? > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From garywinblad at comcast.net Thu Dec 23 19:34:01 2010 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 02:34:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] bumper over-riders In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <152792345.258848.1293158041536.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> B9470622 still has its original bumpers. The over-riders are like you describe 2226483 style. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Rollright at aol.com To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Sent: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 21:32:18 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] bumper over-riders Hello, I got a set of bumpers chromed recently, and now am addressing the over-riders In the Alpine parts list there are two listed: 2226483 and 5115347 and from the outside they look identical. The 2226483 seems to be an over-rider with slightly thicker steel and an internal brace brazed inside. The brace has a bolt hole which is threaded for the fixing bolt. 5115347 has thinner steel, no internal bracing, and a carriage bolt hole to stop the fixing bolt (carriage) from turning. I have a Mk 1A with the latter type and am tempted to switch to the old (seeming all around better) type. Further, I don't know if any Tigers came with early type. Anybody have an inside line on this issue? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE ___ From gleibert185 at comcast.net Fri Dec 24 01:19:46 2010 From: gleibert185 at comcast.net (George Leibert) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 03:19:46 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Packard engine bentley... Message-ID: Might just be faster than a Tiger! Don't think I'd want to drive it! George http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/classiccars/8194036/Christmas-road-test- Packard-engined-Bentley.html From rande at thecia.net Fri Dec 24 04:04:27 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 06:04:27 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] slightly off topic Message-ID: <4d147e3b.3586.0@thecia.net> www.acm.mc/ramc/ramc_main.php?lng=en For nostalgic rallyists, this is the site for information on the next historic car Monte Carlo rally a month from now. If you have trouble with this site, just go to www.hemmings.com and the link to their 12/23 daily email newsletter. And, I hope y'all have a great holiday and super New Year. RB From rande at thecia.net Fri Dec 24 07:45:39 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:45:39 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] plugs for 289 Message-ID: <4d14b213.47bc.0@thecia.net> Folks, Are BF42 Autolites appropriate for stock 289's? From awtiger at cox.net Sat Dec 25 08:03:40 2010 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 09:03:40 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] plugs for 289 In-Reply-To: <4d14b213.47bc.0@thecia.net> References: <4d14b213.47bc.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: Rande: You are correct; the stock Autolite spark plug for a standard 289 is a BF-42. The lower the number, the colder the plug. Therefore, the BF-32 would be the correct Autolite plug for a Hi-Po 289. Merry Christmas, Rande et al, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE ----- Original Message ----- From: "rande" To: Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 8:45 AM Subject: [Tigers] plugs for 289 > Folks, > > Are BF42 Autolites appropriate for stock 289's? > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger at cox.net From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com Fri Dec 24 08:37:08 2010 From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb) Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:37:08 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] bumper over-riders References: <152792345.258848.1293158041536.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <286012E3FD52482EAFE674B34B2E9AC5@yourze8cxvr8tt> the change was probably one of chrysler's ongoing changes to different vendors with a possible cost decrease. there were several vendor changes for parts for the series 5 alpine thru out the production period, and since the series 5 was the basis for mk1a and mk 2 tigers items such as this were the same. my parts book for the alpines doesn't show when the change was made. that makes me believe it was just a rolling change. i wonder if there were a few cars that may have had both styles on them. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] bumper over-riders > B9470622 still has its original bumpers. The over-riders are like you > describe > 2226483 style. > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rollright at aol.com > To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net > Sent: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 21:32:18 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: [Tigers] bumper over-riders > > Hello, > > I got a set of bumpers chromed recently, and now am addressing the > over-riders > > In the Alpine parts list there are two listed: > 2226483 and 5115347 and from the outside they look identical. > > The 2226483 seems to be an over-rider with slightly thicker steel and an > internal brace brazed inside. The brace has a bolt hole which is threaded > for the fixing bolt. > > 5115347 has thinner steel, no internal bracing, and a carriage bolt hole > to > stop the fixing bolt (carriage) from turning. > > I have a Mk 1A with the latter type and am tempted to switch to the old > (seeming all around better) type. Further, I don't know if any Tigers > came > with early type. > > Anybody have an inside line on this issue? > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE > ___ > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com From Rollright at aol.com Sat Dec 25 08:41:27 2010 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 10:41:27 EST Subject: [Tigers] bumper over-riders Message-ID: Thanks for your thoughts. I'd bet it is as you suggest. In all likelihood we will never know for sure. Best holiday regards, Jim Armstrong In a message dated 12/24/2010 10:37:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com writes: the change was probably one of chrysler's ongoing changes to different vendors with a possible cost decrease. there were several vendor changes for parts for the series 5 alpine thru out the production period, and since the series 5 was the basis for mk1a and mk 2 tigers items such as this were the same. my parts book for the alpines doesn't show when the change was made. that makes me believe it was just a rolling change. i wonder if there were a few cars that may have had both styles on them. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] bumper over-riders > B9470622 still has its original bumpers. The over-riders are like you > describe > 2226483 style. > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rollright at aol.com > To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net > Sent: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 21:32:18 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: [Tigers] bumper over-riders > > Hello, > > I got a set of bumpers chromed recently, and now am addressing the > over-riders > > In the Alpine parts list there are two listed: > 2226483 and 5115347 and from the outside they look identical. > > The 2226483 seems to be an over-rider with slightly thicker steel and an > internal brace brazed inside. The brace has a bolt hole which is threaded > for the fixing bolt. > > 5115347 has thinner steel, no internal bracing, and a carriage bolt hole > to > stop the fixing bolt (carriage) from turning. > > I have a Mk 1A with the latter type and am tempted to switch to the old > (seeming all around better) type. Further, I don't know if any Tigers > came > with early type. > > Anybody have an inside line on this issue? > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE > ___ > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com From Rollright at aol.com Sat Dec 25 08:44:29 2010 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 10:44:29 EST Subject: [Tigers] bumper over-riders Message-ID: Thanks Gary. Looks like that settles it. It was a running change and there are Tigers with the early (sturdier) type. I'm going with those. Jim Armstrong In a message dated 12/23/2010 9:34:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, garywinblad at comcast.net writes: B9470622 still has its original bumpers. The over-riders are like you describe 2226483 style. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Rollright at aol.com To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Sent: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 21:32:18 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] bumper over-riders Hello, I got a set of bumpers chromed recently, and now am addressing the over-riders In the Alpine parts list there are two listed: 2226483 and 5115347 and from the outside they look identical. The 2226483 seems to be an over-rider with slightly thicker steel and an internal brace brazed inside. The brace has a bolt hole which is threaded for the fixing bolt. 5115347 has thinner steel, no internal bracing, and a carriage bolt hole to stop the fixing bolt (carriage) from turning. I have a Mk 1A with the latter type and am tempted to switch to the old (seeming all around better) type. Further, I don't know if any Tigers came with early type. Anybody have an inside line on this issue? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE ___ From rande at thecia.net Sat Dec 25 09:47:12 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 11:47:12 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Bumper overriders Message-ID: <4d162010.2b47.0@thecia.net> For the record, Tiger IA B382000048LRXFE has the earlier(2226483) style overriders front and back. The January 1965 parts catalog lists just this part number. The January 1968 parts catalog has the following two listings for Series IV forward: Part number 2226483 "s/d by 5115347 OVERRIDER c/w Rubber Buffer" 5115347 "OVERRIDER c/w Rubber Buffer and 3/8" bolt (Alternative)" RB From Rollright at aol.com Sat Dec 25 09:55:24 2010 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 11:55:24 EST Subject: [Tigers] Bumper overriders Message-ID: So..... At least up to early Mk1A the over-riders were the earlier, sturdier type. Now the record keeping is getting somewhere, though this is not an area I confess, of over-reaching curiosity I'm sure.... But all the same, useful to some. Jim Armstrong In a message dated 12/25/2010 11:50:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rande at thecia.net writes: For the record, Tiger IA B382000048LRXFE has the earlier(2226483) style overriders front and back. The January 1965 parts catalog lists just this part number. The January 1968 parts catalog has the following two listings for Series IV forward: Part number 2226483 "s/d by 5115347 OVERRIDER c/w Rubber Buffer" 5115347 "OVERRIDER c/w Rubber Buffer and 3/8" bolt (Alternative)" RB From allanballard at att.net Sat Dec 25 09:56:43 2010 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 11:56:43 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 6k face on tach? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am looking into a 6,000 RPM-redline tach for my Tiger. A while ago, I think there was mention of someone who can provide a 6k face that resembles the face on the factory tach. Does anyone have that contact info? Alternately I can use the face off an Alpine tach which will be ok functionally but won't look correct. Allan Ballard Mk 1a Tiger From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com Sat Dec 25 11:58:14 2010 From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 13:58:14 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Bumper overriders References: <4d162010.2b47.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: <55FC65E1C2354BB5BBE2DEFE2ADFE12A@yourze8cxvr8tt> and now chrysler comes in to the scene. as dave mentioned ,uncle wally told many stories about changes chrysler made. this being one. look at the differences between leaded seams on rootes cars versus open seams on chrysler built cars. if you have ever owned any alpines you could easily see the changes. having owned all series of alpines including one built in the last couple days of production it's easy to see these changes. if these later over riders were a replacement, what is the difference in using something that was sold for the cars. if it was crashed in it's early life and needed parts you got genuine rootes/chrysler parts which would have the later units.i prefer the later since i have parted many cars and have had problems with the bolt in the welded on bracket. they just don't seem to come loose due to the years of rust after being in the rust belt all their life. the carriage bolt breaks much easier. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rande" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 11:47 AM Subject: [Tigers] Bumper overriders > For the record, Tiger IA B382000048LRXFE has the earlier(2226483) style > overriders > front and back. > > The January 1965 parts catalog lists just this part number. > > The January 1968 parts catalog has the following two listings for Series > IV > forward: > > Part number 2226483 "s/d by 5115347 OVERRIDER c/w Rubber Buffer" > 5115347 "OVERRIDER c/w Rubber Buffer and 3/8" bolt > (Alternative)" > > RB > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com From jim at island.net Sat Dec 25 13:32:17 2010 From: jim at island.net (jim) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 12:32:17 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] 6k face on tach? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006701cba472$d36eebc0$7a4cc340$@net> Hi Allen I don't know about 6k ... but here is a thread about the 8k Autometer tach conversion that a few of us did several months back... with a link to pics... http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/tigers/2010-09/msg00172.html Paul Breuhan is sending me several re-lettered tach faces next month and I'm going to make at least 4 units to sell. We use the stock inner bezel, outer bezel, glass and needle from another Jaeger tach and graft it all onto a stock Autometer 8k Cobra tach... Looks and works great !!! Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allan Ballard Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 8:57 AM To: Beamclub TIGER Subject: [Tigers] 6k face on tach? I am looking into a 6,000 RPM-redline tach for my Tiger. A while ago, I think there was mention of someone who can provide a 6k face that resembles the face on the factory tach. Does anyone have that contact info? Alternately I can use the face off an Alpine tach which will be ok functionally but won't look correct. Allan Ballard Mk 1a Tiger _______________________________________________ From allanballard at att.net Sat Dec 25 13:39:58 2010 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 15:39:58 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 6k face on tach? In-Reply-To: <006701cba472$d36eebc0$7a4cc340$@net> References: <006701cba472$d36eebc0$7a4cc340$@net> Message-ID: <90C9DDFD-F9B3-4444-A139-810FB1357D94@att.net> Thanks, Jim. I'd be interested in such a tach, even more interested in only a face without the tach if it fits the normal Tiger tach. I have a spare factory Tiger tach and mostly need a face. Allan MK1-a Tiger SIV Alpine On Dec 25, 2010, at 3:32 PM, jim wrote: > Hi Allen > > I don't know about 6k ... but here is a thread about the 8k Autometer tach > conversion that a few of us did several months back... with a link to > pics... > > http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/tigers/2010-09/msg00172.html > > Paul Breuhan is sending me several re-lettered tach faces next month and I'm > going to make at least 4 units to sell. We use the stock inner bezel, outer > bezel, glass and needle from another Jaeger tach and graft it all onto a > stock Autometer 8k Cobra tach... Looks and works great !!! > > Jim > B382000446 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Allan Ballard > Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 8:57 AM > To: Beamclub TIGER > Subject: [Tigers] 6k face on tach? > > I am looking into a 6,000 RPM-redline tach for my Tiger. > > A while ago, I think there was mention of someone who can provide a 6k face > that > resembles the face on the factory tach. > > Does anyone have that contact info? > > Alternately I can use the face off an Alpine tach which will be ok > functionally but > won't look correct. > > Allan Ballard > Mk 1a Tiger > _______________________________________________ From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 25 15:25:54 2010 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross Hulse) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 14:25:54 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] 6k face on tach? In-Reply-To: <006701cba472$d36eebc0$7a4cc340$@net> References: <006701cba472$d36eebc0$7a4cc340$@net> Message-ID: <024c01cba482$b2d21fd0$18765f70$@sbcglobal.net> I have lost Paul's email due to a HD crash. Can someone send me his email? Thanks, Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse From djoh797014 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 25 17:00:55 2010 From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 16:00:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] United XXX alert Message-ID: <811281.63849.qm@web111615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Listers Pat and I have been approved as chairmen for the TE/AE United XXX to be held Oct 6 thru Oct 10, 2011 in French Lick, IN. Pat and I have been working for months to put together the best United in years. Up coming schedule will include Thurs -early arrival Fri - Autocross at the Salem Speedway host by Barry Schoeberger We can join the Good Old Boys in the evening Figure 8 races European gokart Grand Prix with Amish Cooking Sar - A tour in the Hoosier National Forest - 2 hr steam train ride though the Hoosier National Forest followed by dinner on the train Sun - Car Show and judging banquet featuring some well known celebrity speakers including Tim Suddard - Grassroots Motor Sports editor John Clegg - ex Rootes Motorcar engineer who worked on the Alpines a ex Rocket Scientist and others Mon - Goodbye until next United and my collapse from exhaustion. The usual stuff such as Parts Room and such will be there but Pat and I are still working out the details. Volunteers are encouraged. We need help. Contact me. French Lick is a restored nationally famous resort and spa. It is a 5 star resort will all the 5 star amenities. We have a block of 100 rooms. The host hotel has 443 room with another 300 available. Go to their website and check the place out at FrenchLick.com and click in PDF brochure. A more accurate list of details will be posted as soon as Pat ahve nailed down the costs. We are trying to keep the costs within reaon. Come to French Lick for some Hoosier Hospality. Dave From todbrown at roadrunner.com Sat Dec 25 21:06:45 2010 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 23:06:45 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 6k Face on Tach Message-ID: <4D16BF55.3080604@roadrunner.com> Allan: There was discussion a while back of using a Cobra tach movement mated to the face of a Sunbeam unit to replace the stock tach. The face was redone by Paul Breuhan and reads to 8K with the redline at 6000. I don't remember who did the conversion, but they will probably chime in. I know that Jim Armstrong was interested and pursued it a bit further, so he can probably give you more info. I have a pic of the tach face which I am sending and can forward to others interested. The approach I have used is, as you have suggested, to use an Alpine tach converted for use on my Tiger. I got a used Alpine tach from a Series IV whose face matches the lettering on the MkI/IA Tiger. I sent the tach to Tom Hall at Tiger Engineering http://www.tigerengineering.net/. He will convert your tach to electronic innards and calibrate it for use on your car. The cost of the conversion is $175. The advantage is that the Alpine tach has its redline at about 5600 rpm and reads to 6000 which is about right for my engine (a 260 with the hipo cam). It also will be accurate for a long time (probably longer than I will be around), unlike the original. The downside is that the face says 4 cyl, positive earth but in small letters which I do not find noticeable when watching my tach as it approaches its redline ;>) You can probably get some rub-on letters if you want to change it. Cheers, Tod B382002384LRXFE [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 012-1.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of P1000008.JPG] From barncobob at aol.com Sun Dec 26 05:51:20 2010 From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 07:51:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Tigers] making air cleaner more theft proof Message-ID: <8CD7312BA7E6024-BF0-2DA5E@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com> how does one make the air cleaner harder to remove than by using the wing nut. a picture would be appreciated, thanx in advance. From achd73 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 26 06:50:49 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 05:50:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] making air cleaner more theft proof Message-ID: <185999.30564.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Chances are high if they are taking the air clener they have the whole car. You could use many different types of glue- like gorilla glue to drilling a hole and attaching a chain(small in diameter- link wise) Perhaps a threaded stud and small lock- GOOD LUCK. TtT --- On Sun, 12/26/10, barncobob at aol.com wrote: From: barncobob at aol.com Subject: [Tigers] making air cleaner more theft proof To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 6:51 AM how does one make the air cleaner harder to remove than by using the wing nut. a picture would be appreciated, thanx in advance. _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com Sun Dec 26 07:10:06 2010 From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Clarkwgriswold) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 08:10:06 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] making air cleaner more theft proof In-Reply-To: <185999.30564.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <185999.30564.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2F16D63D-2CFA-479B-AAF9-DD5075F12B4C@gmail.com> Well with a wingnut they dont need tools. Would they still take it if it if you just tightened a hex head nut on with a ratchet or something? Maybe a locking nut like a jam nut? Cullen Sent from my mobile... On Dec 26, 2010, at 7:50 AM, Tony Somebody wrote: > Chances are high if they are taking the air clener they have the whole car. You could use many different types of glue- like gorilla glue to drilling a hole and attaching a chain(small in diameter- link wise) > Perhaps a threaded stud and small lock- GOOD LUCK. > TtT > --- On Sun, 12/26/10, barncobob at aol.com wrote: > > > From: barncobob at aol.com > Subject: [Tigers] making air cleaner more theft proof > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 6:51 AM > > > how does one make the air cleaner harder to remove than by using the wing > nut. > a picture would be appreciated, thanx in advance. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com From cbroadbooks at morrisbb.net Sun Dec 26 08:06:20 2010 From: cbroadbooks at morrisbb.net (Chip & Lynn Broadbooks) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 10:06:20 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] making air cleaner more theft proof In-Reply-To: <2F16D63D-2CFA-479B-AAF9-DD5075F12B4C@gmail.com> References: <185999.30564.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2F16D63D-2CFA-479B-AAF9-DD5075F12B4C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <14F31BE93B80489AA9DC7EAB4F54CAFF@Pops> What if you just used a cheap(er) POS air cleaner for normal circumstances, and put the original on only for special events? That's my plan after mine is done. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clarkwgriswold" To: "Tony Somebody" Cc: Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] making air cleaner more theft proof > Well with a wingnut they dont need tools. Would they still take it if it > if > you just tightened a hex head nut on with a ratchet or something? Maybe a > locking nut like a jam nut? > Cullen > > Sent from my mobile... > > On Dec 26, 2010, at 7:50 AM, Tony Somebody wrote: > >> Chances are high if they are taking the air clener they have the whole >> car. > You could use many different types of glue- like gorilla glue to drilling > a > hole and attaching a chain(small in diameter- link wise) >> Perhaps a threaded stud and small lock- GOOD LUCK. >> TtT >> --- On Sun, 12/26/10, barncobob at aol.com wrote: >> >> >> From: barncobob at aol.com >> Subject: [Tigers] making air cleaner more theft proof >> To: tigers at autox.team.net >> Date: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 6:51 AM >> >> >> how does one make the air cleaner harder to remove than by using the wing >> nut. >> a picture would be appreciated, thanx in advance. >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cbroadbooks at morrisbb.net From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Dec 26 08:06:20 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 10:06:20 EST Subject: [Tigers] making air cleaner more theft proof Message-ID: Well with a wingnut they dont need tools. Would they still take it if it if you just tightened a hex head nut on with a ratchet or something? Maybe a locking nut like a jam nut? Cullen And I'm pretty sure the hex nut is original and not a wingnut. At least with a hex nut someone would have to have some kind of tool in their pocket. On this site I think I remember someone relating that a Corvette aircleaner was stolen while a car was on display at a car show. So, with Tiger cleaners going for $1k there is always the chance of theft. M From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Sun Dec 26 08:19:31 2010 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 15:19:31 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] making air cleaner more theft proof In-Reply-To: <8CD7312BA7E6024-BF0-2DA5E@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20101226151931.JG0L9.79800.root@hrndva-web11-z01> So in what circumstances would it be stolen? When I have the hood open, at a show, I am always close by. When the car is parked the hood is closed and latched. Better yet, windows up and door locked. I just don't see it as an issue. Only Tiger people know the value and I hope we are above the Corvette VIN tag stealing riff-raff. Duke B382002037 ---- barncobob at aol.com wrote: > how does one make the air cleaner harder to remove than by using the wing > nut. > a picture would be appreciated, thanx in advance. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wsamouce at kc.rr.com From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Sun Dec 26 08:37:42 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 10:37:42 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] making air cleaner more theft proof In-Reply-To: <8CD7312BA7E6024-BF0-2DA5E@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD7312BA7E6024-BF0-2DA5E@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: First solution: don't put it on the car unless you're there to watch it (o.K., the cleaners sell for a lot on E-Pay, but I'd like to think Tiger guys had better morals than that!) Edelbrock makes a nice inexpensive an air cleaner that looks great and breathes better than the original.) Second solution: take a nut of the appropriate size and drill / tap the side for a set screw. Tom '67 Mark 2 On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 7:51 AM, wrote: > how does one make the air cleaner harder to remove than by using the wing > nut. > a picture would be appreciated, thanx in advance. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From chris at cthompson.net Sun Dec 26 08:40:44 2010 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 10:40:44 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] making air cleaner more theft proof In-Reply-To: References: <8CD7312BA7E6024-BF0-2DA5E@webmail-m094.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4D1761FC.5000901@cthompson.net> safety wire...... On 12/26/2010 10:37 AM, Tom Parker wrote: > First solution: don't put it on the car unless you're there to watch it > (o.K., the cleaners sell for a lot on E-Pay, but I'd like to think Tiger > guys had better morals than that!) Edelbrock makes a nice inexpensive an air > cleaner that looks great and breathes better than the original.) > > Second solution: take a nut of the appropriate size and drill / tap the side > for a set screw. > > Tom > > '67 Mark 2 From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Dec 26 08:42:22 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 10:42:22 EST Subject: [Tigers] making air cleaner more theft proof Message-ID: <2e7.7a8d530d.3a48bc5e@aol.com> Or, when displaying the car and you will be away from it....place a heavy weight on top of the cleaner to discourage thieves. Your BON is pretty heavy:-) Merry Christmas ALL M From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Dec 26 08:49:57 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 07:49:57 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] making air cleaner more theft proof In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D176425.8030204@mayfco.com> To all, the nut on my air cleaner is a simple hex nut. Has been since I purchased the car. To tighten and remove without tools, I simply push down on the top of the air cleaner until the tension is off a tad and remove it with my fingers. If you use a locking nut, yeah that will work just fine however when you go to remove it , the entire stud will unscrew from the carb body itself and then the perp has both the ac AND the stud. So, I suggest that perhaps you surf McMaserCarr.com for those kind of screws / bolts used in places where the fasteners are not supposed to be removed. Like the kind on security screens, doors, etc. Or sometimes you see them in restrooms in the stalls. Can be turned to tighten but needs a special tool to remove. Or, put on one of those cheapie aftermarket ones for daily driving or experiences and put the good one on for the show and shines. mayf On 12/26/2010 7:06 AM, CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > Well with a wingnut they dont need tools. Would they still take it if it if > you just tightened a hex head nut on with a ratchet or something? Maybe a > locking nut like a jam nut? > Cullen > > And I'm pretty sure the hex nut is original and not a wingnut. At least > with a hex nut someone would have to have some kind of tool in their pocket. > On this site I think I remember someone relating that a Corvette > aircleaner was stolen while a car was on display at a car show. So, with Tiger > cleaners going for $1k there is always the chance of theft. > > M From spook01 at comcast.net Sun Dec 26 09:02:07 2010 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 10:02:07 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?making_air_cleaner_more_theft_proof?= Message-ID: <20101226160135.536CF18763E@autox.team.net> Where are all these air cleaner thieves located? Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: CoolVT at aol.com Date: Sun, Dec 26, 2010 09:42 Subject: [Tigers] making air cleaner more theft proof To: , Cc: Or, when displaying the car and you will be away from it....place a heavy weight on top of the cleaner to discourage thieves. Your BON is pretty heavy:-) Merry Christmas ALL M _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/spook01 at comcast.net From spook01 at comcast.net Sun Dec 26 09:01:17 2010 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 10:01:17 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?making_air_cleaner_more_theft_proof?= Message-ID: <20101226160159.9520D18763E@autox.team.net> Where are all these air cleaner thieves located? Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: CoolVT at aol.com Date: Sun, Dec 26, 2010 09:42 Subject: [Tigers] making air cleaner more theft proof To: , Cc: Or, when displaying the car and you will be away from it....place a heavy weight on top of the cleaner to discourage thieves. Your BON is pretty heavy:-) Merry Christmas ALL M _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/spook01 at comcast.net From BOBCARNUT at aol.com Sun Dec 26 09:32:14 2010 From: BOBCARNUT at aol.com (BOBCARNUT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 11:32:14 EST Subject: [Tigers] Air cleaner lock Message-ID: <65b96.48d6f2ae.3a48c80e@aol.com> When I had my Tiger, I used a McGard security lock, similar to their wheel lock style except it was a 1/4" or 5/16" nut. You could also possibly use or adapt a McGard wire wheel cover lock, if they are still available. If you can't find one, I may have one in my collection. Bob L.......... formerly B3820001828.....etc. From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Dec 26 09:43:24 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 11:43:24 EST Subject: [Tigers] Air cleaner lock Message-ID: <281a.1a06a0a1.3a48caac@aol.com> Let's face it. No matter what kind of a locking system we invent for the top, someone is just going to take a pair of pliers and unthread the rod. From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sun Dec 26 09:45:08 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 11:45:08 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] making air cleaner more theft proof In-Reply-To: <4D176425.8030204@mayfco.com> Message-ID: Rootes Parts List calls out a 1/4" nut UNC with a 1/4" plain washer. Theft is always difficult to totally defend against. If they want it they will find a way to take it. A security fastener will work but there are tool kits dedicated to security fasteners. I have a couple of kits for a few security fasteners used on today's cars. You would probably need something like a lug nut lock and key to be totally secure. You could use the original nut to slow them down some. You could etch or engrave your vin number into the top and bottom plates of your air cleaner for ID purposes. You could make your own 1 off security fastener and 1 off removal tool. The biggest problem is the size, 1/4" bolt. Almost any fastener you install can be turned by hand or the bolt will turn out of the carb. You need to consider the whole system and experiment with solutions until one meets your satisfaction. A closed bonnet, locked doors and trunk is my method when I walk away from my Tiger at events. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 10:50 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] making air cleaner more theft proof To all, the nut on my air cleaner is a simple hex nut. Has been since I purchased the car. To tighten and remove without tools, I simply push down on the top of the air cleaner until the tension is off a tad and remove it with my fingers. If you use a locking nut, yeah that will work just fine however when you go to remove it , the entire stud will unscrew from the carb body itself and then the perp has both the ac AND the stud. So, I suggest that perhaps you surf McMaserCarr.com for those kind of screws / bolts used in places where the fasteners are not supposed to be removed. Like the kind on security screens, doors, etc. Or sometimes you see them in restrooms in the stalls. Can be turned to tighten but needs a special tool to remove. Or, put on one of those cheapie aftermarket ones for daily driving or experiences and put the good one on for the show and shines. mayf On 12/26/2010 7:06 AM, CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > Well with a wingnut they dont need tools. Would they still take it if > it if you just tightened a hex head nut on with a ratchet or > something? Maybe a locking nut like a jam nut? Cullen > > And I'm pretty sure the hex nut is original and not a wingnut. At > least with a hex nut someone would have to have some kind of tool in > their pocket. On this site I think I remember someone relating that a > Corvette aircleaner was stolen while a car was on display at a car > show. So, with Tiger cleaners going for $1k there is always the > chance of theft. > > M _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3335 - Release Date: 12/26/10 07:34:00 From packertl3 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 26 09:46:48 2010 From: packertl3 at yahoo.com (Terry Packer) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 08:46:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Related to Air cleaner lock In-Reply-To: <65b96.48d6f2ae.3a48c80e@aol.com> Message-ID: <138675.79703.qm@web110108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I've never been too concerned about these types of security issues. But since they've been raised and my car is occasionally left parked outside while touring, I wondered whether anyone has devised a relatively simple way of preventing the hood release from activating? It may be easy to accomplish. I've just never looked with that objective in mind. Terry --- On Sun, 12/26/10, BOBCARNUT at aol.com wrote: From: BOBCARNUT at aol.com Subject: [Tigers] Air cleaner lock To: barncobob at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net Date: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 8:32 AM When I had my Tiger, I used a McGard security lock, similar to their wheel lock style except it was a 1/4" or 5/16" nut. You could also possibly use or adapt a McGard wire wheel cover lock, if they are still available. If you can't find one, I may have one in my collection. Bob L.......... formerly B3820001828.....etc. _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/packertl3 at yahoo.com From arado7 at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 26 10:07:16 2010 From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 09:07:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Air cleaner lock In-Reply-To: <281a.1a06a0a1.3a48caac@aol.com> Message-ID: <174894.48344.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In today's climate I use a 9mm. Nobody knows who's packing, and it's legal. Just watch your car or garage. I do. Gary B9472283 --- On Sun, 12/26/10, CoolVT at aol.com wrote: From: CoolVT at aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Air cleaner lock To: BOBCARNUT at aol.com, barncobob at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net Date: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 4:43 PM Let's face it. No matter what kind of a locking system we invent for the top, someone is just going to take a pair of pliers and unthread the rod. _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/arado7 at sbcglobal.net From gleibert185 at comcast.net Sun Dec 26 10:17:34 2010 From: gleibert185 at comcast.net (George Leibert) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 12:17:34 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] making air cleaner more theft proof In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <84422B27E7CF419B98CD1333CB19B096@mylaptop> Older Rolls Royce's used a metal mesh bag to completely enclose the carb so knucklehead gas station attendants couldn't 'fiddle' with the adjustments. Something like that would be ugly but very effective. A set screw to keep the rod attached to the carb and a lock nut on top would make it much harder to remove for the person without much in the way of tools. My personal favorite would be a large highly trained German Shepherd sitting in the seat watching the car. Geo. B382000283 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 11:45 AM To: drmayf at mayfco.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] making air cleaner more theft proof Rootes Parts List calls out a 1/4" nut UNC with a 1/4" plain washer. Theft is always difficult to totally defend against. If they want it they will find a way to take it. A security fastener will work but there are tool kits dedicated to security fasteners. I have a couple of kits for a few security fasteners used on today's cars. You would probably need something like a lug nut lock and key to be totally secure. You could use the original nut to slow them down some. You could etch or engrave your vin number into the top and bottom plates of your air cleaner for ID purposes. You could make your own 1 off security fastener and 1 off removal tool. The biggest problem is the size, 1/4" bolt. Almost any fastener you install can be turned by hand or the bolt will turn out of the carb. You need to consider the whole system and experiment with solutions until one meets your satisfaction. A closed bonnet, locked doors and trunk is my method when I walk away from my Tiger at events. Ron Fraser From mikebaskette at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 26 10:19:46 2010 From: mikebaskette at sbcglobal.net (Mike Baskette) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 09:19:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 619 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <871361.9540.qm@web82504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Don't park the car where the darn thing will get stolen............ End of Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 619 ************************************** From MTaylor at ea.com Sun Dec 26 10:36:55 2010 From: MTaylor at ea.com (Taylor, Matthew) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 09:36:55 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] 6k face on tach? In-Reply-To: <90C9DDFD-F9B3-4444-A139-810FB1357D94@att.net> References: <006701cba472$d36eebc0$7a4cc340$@net> <90C9DDFD-F9B3-4444-A139-810FB1357D94@att.net> Message-ID: <3FA9E5EE4E0C2F4C8A5F7E8D718A0F965F2288404A@NA-MAIL-1-1.rws.ad.ea.com> I also have a decal that is designed to go on the original Tiger tach and converts the face to 7k. It is $25 and works great. Matthew -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allan Ballard Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 12:40 PM To: jim Cc: 'Beamclub TIGER' Subject: Re: [Tigers] 6k face on tach? Thanks, Jim. I'd be interested in such a tach, even more interested in only a face without the tach if it fits the normal Tiger tach. I have a spare factory Tiger tach and mostly need a face. Allan MK1-a Tiger SIV Alpine On Dec 25, 2010, at 3:32 PM, jim wrote: > Hi Allen > > I don't know about 6k ... but here is a thread about the 8k Autometer tach > conversion that a few of us did several months back... with a link to > pics... > > http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/tigers/2010-09/msg00172.html > > Paul Breuhan is sending me several re-lettered tach faces next month and I'm > going to make at least 4 units to sell. We use the stock inner bezel, outer > bezel, glass and needle from another Jaeger tach and graft it all onto a > stock Autometer 8k Cobra tach... Looks and works great !!! > > Jim > B382000446 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Allan Ballard > Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2010 8:57 AM > To: Beamclub TIGER > Subject: [Tigers] 6k face on tach? > > I am looking into a 6,000 RPM-redline tach for my Tiger. > > A while ago, I think there was mention of someone who can provide a 6k face > that > resembles the face on the factory tach. > > Does anyone have that contact info? > > Alternately I can use the face off an Alpine tach which will be ok > functionally but > won't look correct. > > Allan Ballard > Mk 1a Tiger From spook01 at comcast.net Sun Dec 26 10:59:23 2010 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 11:59:23 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?making_air_cleaner_more_theft_proof?= Message-ID: <20101226175849.92B2B18763E@autox.team.net> Or a trunk monkey. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "George Leibert" Date: Sun, Dec 26, 2010 11:17 Subject: [Tigers] making air cleaner more theft proof To: , , Older Rolls Royce's used a metal mesh bag to completely enclose the carb so knucklehead gas station attendants couldn't 'fiddle' with the adjustments. Something like that would be ugly but very effective. A set screw to keep the rod attached to the carb and a lock nut on top would make it much harder to remove for the person without much in the way of tools. My personal favorite would be a large highly trained German Shepherd sitting in the seat watching the car. Geo. B382000283 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 11:45 AM To: drmayf at mayfco.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] making air cleaner more theft proof Rootes Parts List calls out a 1/4" nut UNC with a 1/4" plain washer. Theft is always difficult to totally defend against. If they want it they will find a way to take it. A security fastener will work but there are tool kits dedicated to security fasteners. I have a couple of kits for a few security fasteners used on today's cars. You would probably need something like a lug nut lock and key to be totally secure. You could use the original nut to slow them down some. You could etch or engrave your vin number into the top and bottom plates of your air cleaner for ID purposes. You could make your own 1 off security fastener and 1 off removal tool. The biggest problem is the size, 1/4" bolt. Almost any fastener you install can be turned by hand or the bolt will turn out of the carb. You need to consider the whole system and experiment with solutions until one meets your satisfaction. A closed bonnet, locked doors and trunk is my method when I walk away from my Tiger at events. Ron Fraser _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/spook01 at comcast.net From Rollright at aol.com Sun Dec 26 11:11:06 2010 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 13:11:06 EST Subject: [Tigers] Air cleaners / theft Message-ID: <70c63.325bd648.3a48df3a@aol.com> Hello, This whole issue would be moot if a good quality metal aftermarket reproduction were available. Surely the demand is at the point that this is a viable business opportunity? At a kilo-buck? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE From spook01 at comcast.net Sun Dec 26 11:17:01 2010 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 12:17:01 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Air_cleaner_lock?= Message-ID: <20101226181627.77E0018763E@autox.team.net> I have such confidence in my air cleaner, and only drive my car to shows chock full of thieves...did I mention I never lock it and I can't find a nos hood latch?.. Anyway, I used a bit of valve grinding compound to roughen the threaded area inside the carb, then rinsed it thoroughly with carbon tetrachloride. I did the same with the stud, nut and washer. Next, I turned my attention to the element; a known entry point for cleaner thieves. I cleaned and roughened both top and bottom of the element, top and bottom. Then putting j.b. weld on all threads and all joints, I screwed it down. I even glued my carb down! Hah! Got it! The bastards stole my intake!! Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net Date: Sun, Dec 26, 2010 11:07 Subject: [Tigers] Air cleaner lock To: Cc: "tigers at autox.team.net" In today's climate I use a 9mm. Nobody knows who's packing, and it's legal. Just watch your car or garage. I do. Gary B9472283 --- On Sun, 12/26/10, CoolVT at aol.com wrote: From: CoolVT at aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Air cleaner lock To: BOBCARNUT at aol.com, barncobob at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net Date: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 4:43 PM Let's face it. No matter what kind of a locking system we invent for the top, someone is just going to take a pair of pliers and unthread the rod. _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/arado7 at sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/spook01 at comcast.net From rande at thecia.net Sun Dec 26 13:05:45 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 15:05:45 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] air cleaner theft Message-ID: <4d17a019.7ea.0@thecia.net> I think Mr. Packer is on to something. Just keep the hood shut, and keep it stock, it'll keep thieves out of there. We already know that works. Heck, it can keep the car's owner out outa there, sometimes. From barncobob at aol.com Sun Dec 26 14:26:28 2010 From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 16:26:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Tigers] air cleaner nut Message-ID: <8CD735AB0E6576B-8F4-37B9C@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> i believe i have found a solution to my "problem". I plan on showing at alot of local car shows and when the hood is open and i slip away for an occasional beer I dont want to have to worry about a misguided soul sticking my aircleaner in their jacket. People will steal anything and if they knew it was worth a $1000 well... spanner nut http://www.tamperproof.com/categories/spanner-nut-removable-security-nut.html From gleibert185 at comcast.net Sun Dec 26 14:43:03 2010 From: gleibert185 at comcast.net (George Leibert) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 16:43:03 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] air cleaner nut In-Reply-To: <8CD735AB0E6576B-8F4-37B9C@webmail-d063.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <518A9B98E4834C1CB7CC4AE4A946CF73@mylaptop> Pair of needle nose pliers and a screwdriver will remove this nut! Sorry. George B382000283 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of barncobob at aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 4:26 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] air cleaner nut i believe i have found a solution to my "problem". I plan on showing at alot of local car shows and when the hood is open and i slip away for an occasional beer I dont want to have to worry about a misguided soul sticking my aircleaner in their jacket. People will steal anything and if they knew it was worth a $1000 well... spanner nut http://www.tamperproof.com/categories/spanner-nut-removable-security-nut.htm l _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gleibert185 at comcast.net From awtiger at cox.net Mon Dec 27 15:03:42 2010 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:03:42 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Air cleaner lock In-Reply-To: <281a.1a06a0a1.3a48caac@aol.com> References: <281a.1a06a0a1.3a48caac@aol.com> Message-ID: I must admit that when I read the first post about this, I thought it was a bit of a wind up!! Then everyone seemed to take it so seriously. I've owned Tigers since 1979 and I've never heard of anyone getting their air cleaner ripped off at a show or anywhere else. It never occured to me to be a problem. Has anyone on here actually ever had an air cleaner stolen off of their Tiger??? Let's face it; the only folks who even have any idea of what they're worth would be someone who either owns a Tiger or is a true enthusiast. That pretty much covers everyone like the people on this list, and I doubt seriously that any of us would be prone to be sticky-fingered when it came to another person's Tiger air cleaner. I plan on leaving mine just the way it is with it's factory hold-down nut. I would be way more concerned with getting the whole car stolen than it's various bits and pieces. My .02 worth, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Air cleaner lock > Let's face it. No matter what kind of a locking system we invent for the > top, someone is just going to take a pair of pliers and unthread the rod. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger at cox.net From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun Dec 26 15:53:32 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:53:32 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] making air cleaner more theft proof In-Reply-To: <20101226175849.92B2B18763E@autox.team.net> References: <20101226175849.92B2B18763E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I have the original style nut on my aircleaner, its a pain to get off when i want to so someone will have to be desperate to take it at a show. As for who is stealig this stuff.. i really hope nobody has had that happen.. im more concerned about people leaning on the thing of scratching it with their handbags, dangling camerras etc. -- Regards Michael King From atwittsend at verizon.net Sun Dec 26 16:06:38 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 15:06:38 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Air cleaner lock References: <281a.1a06a0a1.3a48caac@aol.com> Message-ID: 1. Use a reverse thread rod and wingnut. Sit at a distance and watch the frustrated thief. 2. Go to pound and get angry dog, - chain to car. Sit at a distance and watch the startled thief. 3. Use door light type switch under air cleaner to activate alarm. Sit at a distance and watch the thief have his Southwest airways, "Want to get away?" moment. 4. Hook electric fence system to air cleaner. Sit at distance and count how many attempts thief makes before giving up. 5. Embed a Lojack system into the air cleaner. Sit by phone waiting for the recovery call. 6+. Place your idea "here." :-) Tom From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com Sun Dec 26 19:19:08 2010 From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 21:19:08 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Air cleaner lock References: <281a.1a06a0a1.3a48caac@aol.com> Message-ID: <2DC7F522268E4BF399143EFEFC314433@yourze8cxvr8tt> i have to agree with andy. the wife and i start out going to mainly british shows early spring and go to at least one or two a month up thru october. and most are not close to home. i have always noticed that the folks that come to shows of this type appreciate the cars and do not come to steal from other owners. common sense should tell you that if other owners saw someone tampering with and trying to remove a part from a car, their rears would be grass. i have never seen every owner of a sunbeam absent from the cars. the only time i know of sunbeam parts being stolen from several of us was in the parts room at last years suni and i think an earlier suni when someone stole a tiger radiator from one of the vendors. last year had to be a mk2 owner since some of the parts he took were mk2 tiger only. i have seen owners of other marques ask spectators not to touch the cars of others. trust and faith in others has to prevail. also make sure your insurance is up to date. i can't wait for the snow to go away so we can start going to shows and vintage meets. the 24 hours of daytona is beginning to look awful inviting! ----- Original Message ----- From: "awtiger" To: ; ; ; Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Air cleaner lock >I must admit that when I read the first post about this, I thought it was a >bit of a wind up!! Then everyone seemed to take it so seriously. I've >owned Tigers since 1979 and I've never heard of anyone getting their air >cleaner ripped off at a show or anywhere else. It never occured to me to >be a problem. Has anyone on here actually ever had an air cleaner stolen >off of their Tiger??? Let's face it; the only folks who even have any idea >of what they're worth would be someone who either owns a Tiger or is a true >enthusiast. That pretty much covers everyone like the people on this list, >and I doubt seriously that any of us would be prone to be sticky-fingered >when it came to another person's Tiger air cleaner. > > I plan on leaving mine just the way it is with it's factory hold-down nut. > I would be way more concerned with getting the whole car stolen than it's > various bits and pieces. > > My .02 worth, > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE > TAC #740 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; ; > Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 10:43 AM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Air cleaner lock > > >> Let's face it. No matter what kind of a locking system we invent for the >> top, someone is just going to take a pair of pliers and unthread the rod. >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com From slaifman at socal.rr.com Sun Dec 26 20:29:46 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 19:29:46 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Air cleaner lock In-Reply-To: References: <281a.1a06a0a1.3a48caac@aol.com> Message-ID: <4D18082A.4030507@socal.rr.com> OK, Tom, some clever ideas, but....... I have just two alternate methods: Park you car only in your locked garage. I've had very expensive mag wheels (stock) stolen off my 911S Porsche in a building's parking lot /- yes - no guards./ * Hire a 24 hour Armed Guard.Park you car only in your locked garage. * Remove your stock air cleaner and substitute the upper and lower filter holders with sharp edged round saw blades. * Use a nut with pointy, sharp, triangular Exacto Knives affixed. * What, you don't understand how to put on or remove the armed nut? Well, kiss your air cleaner goodbye, * R&R it and take it with you in a Gucci bag! Fashionable! /Steve Laifman/ /Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* On 12/26/10 3:06 PM, Thomas Witt wrote: > 1. Use a reverse thread rod and wingnut. Sit at a distance and > watch the frustrated thief. > > 2. Go to pound and get angry dog, - chain to car. Sit at a distance > and watch the startled thief. > > 3. Use door light type switch under air cleaner to activate alarm. > Sit at a distance and watch the thief have his Southwest airways, > "Want to get away?" moment. > > 4. Hook electric fence system to air cleaner. Sit at distance and > count how many attempts thief makes before giving up. > > 5. Embed a Lojack system into the air cleaner. Sit by phone waiting > for the recovery call. > > 6+. Place your idea "here." :-) > > Tom From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com Sun Dec 26 21:51:44 2010 From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb) Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 23:51:44 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Air cleaner lock References: <281a.1a06a0a1.3a48caac@aol.com> <4D18082A.4030507@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <659BBB613B4E4585B012C3E1815738E3@yourze8cxvr8tt> steve, just move to rural southern ohio. it's not stolen unless it fits a pickup truck. you don't find much else around here. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Laifman" To: "Tiger's Den" Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Air cleaner lock > OK, Tom, some clever ideas, but....... > > I have just two alternate methods: > > Park you car only in your locked garage. I've had very expensive mag > wheels (stock) stolen off my 911S Porsche in a building's parking lot /- > yes - no guards./ > > * Hire a 24 hour Armed Guard.Park you car only in your locked garage. > * Remove your stock air cleaner and substitute the upper and lower > filter holders with sharp edged round saw blades. > * Use a nut with pointy, sharp, triangular Exacto Knives affixed. > * What, you don't understand how to put on or remove the armed nut? > Well, kiss your air cleaner goodbye, > * R&R it and take it with you in a Gucci bag! Fashionable! > > /Steve Laifman/ > > /Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* > > > > On 12/26/10 3:06 PM, Thomas Witt wrote: >> 1. Use a reverse thread rod and wingnut. Sit at a distance and >> watch the frustrated thief. >> >> 2. Go to pound and get angry dog, - chain to car. Sit at a distance >> and watch the startled thief. >> >> 3. Use door light type switch under air cleaner to activate alarm. >> Sit at a distance and watch the thief have his Southwest airways, >> "Want to get away?" moment. >> >> 4. Hook electric fence system to air cleaner. Sit at distance and >> count how many attempts thief makes before giving up. >> >> 5. Embed a Lojack system into the air cleaner. Sit by phone waiting >> for the recovery call. >> >> 6+. Place your idea "here." :-) >> >> Tom > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com From sawhill at att.net Mon Dec 27 10:09:20 2010 From: sawhill at att.net (Kenda Sawhill) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:09:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Message-ID: <604303.421.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Merry Christmas all, Never mind the air cleaner, my wife claims that if I ever go out of town without her she will sell my Book Of Norman. From slaifman at socal.rr.com Mon Dec 27 12:43:20 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:43:20 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Air Cleaner In-Reply-To: <604303.421.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <604303.421.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D18EC58.9020104@socal.rr.com> Kenda, I have three solutions for you: 1. Go with the flow. Take her with you. It's cheaper than a divorce! 2. Take your TBON with you! 3. If all else fails, sell _her_ on "Craig's List". 4. Make sure the NEXT one is a little more compliant by posting the News Articles next to her ashes on the mantle. Steve (OH, YES. Don't show this to your wife!) Steve /Steve Laifman/ /Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* On 12/27/10 9:09 AM, Kenda Sawhill wrote: > Merry Christmas all, > > Never mind the air cleaner, my wife claims that if I ever go out of town without > her she will sell my Book Of Norman. > _______________________________________________ From awtiger at cox.net Mon Dec 27 12:58:11 2010 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 14:58:11 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Air Cleaner In-Reply-To: <4D18EC58.9020104@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <20101227145811.8YWYQ.487599.imail@eastrmwml36> Oh, now Steve...you're gonna get the boy killed!!!!! Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE TAC #740 ---- Steve Laifman wrote: > Kenda, > > I have three solutions for you: > > 1. Go with the flow. Take her with you. It's cheaper than a divorce! > 2. Take your TBON with you! > 3. If all else fails, sell _her_ on "Craig's List". > 4. Make sure the NEXT one is a little more compliant by posting the > News Articles next to her ashes on the mantle. > > Steve > > (OH, YES. Don't show this to your wife!) > > Steve > > /Steve Laifman/ > > /Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* > > > > On 12/27/10 9:09 AM, Kenda Sawhill wrote: > > Merry Christmas all, > > > > Never mind the air cleaner, my wife claims that if I ever go out of town without > > her she will sell my Book Of Norman. > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger at cox.net From sawhill at att.net Mon Dec 27 14:22:42 2010 From: sawhill at att.net (Kenda Sawhill) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 13:22:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Advice In-Reply-To: <4D18EC58.9020104@socal.rr.com> References: <604303.421.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4D18EC58.9020104@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <580578.61004.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Steve, I'll take it under advisement :) Mac Sawhill B9470860 ________________________________ From: Steve Laifman To: Kenda Sawhill ; Tiger's Den Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 11:43:20 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Kenda, I have three solutions for you: 1. Go with the flow. Take her with you. It's cheaper than a divorce! 2. Take your TBON with you! 3. If all else fails, sell her on "Craig's List". 4. Make sure the NEXT one is a little more compliant by posting the News Articles next to her ashes on the mantle.Steve (OH, YES. Don't show this to your wife!) Steve Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com On 12/27/10 9:09 AM, Kenda Sawhill wrote: Merry Christmas all, Never mind the air cleaner, my wife claims that if I ever go out of town without her she will sell my Book Of Norman. _______________________________________________ From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Dec 27 14:44:13 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 08:44:13 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Air Cleaner In-Reply-To: <604303.421.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <604303.421.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Do me a favour, if you are gogin to jump town without your wife leave my contact details in the BON so i can get a copy :-P!!! On 28 December 2010 04:09, Kenda Sawhill wrote: > Merry Christmas all, > > Never mind the air cleaner, my wife claims that if I ever go out of town > without > her she will sell my Book Of Norman. > -- > Regards > > Michael King From Gyroplanes at aol.com Mon Dec 27 14:50:43 2010 From: Gyroplanes at aol.com (Gyroplanes at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:50:43 EST Subject: [Tigers] 302 engine question(s) Message-ID: Hi Guys, I haven't posted in a while. I have my 302 almost completely built up: 1985 302 HO from a Mustang (carb & roller) Holley 600 CFM Edelbrock alum intake and heads Ford B303 roller cam Aftermarket roller lifters LAT headers, aluminum valve covers 1. I was wondering if the stock, 1985 timing chain cover, water pump, pullies,etc. are compatable with the Tiger radiator spacing. I will use electric fan(s) if necessary (or recommended by you all. I will probably go with a new aluminum radiator as well (for weight savings) 2. I need to replace the crankshaft seals due to age. Any idea if the rear is one piece, split or rope? Tom Milton Lansing, IL. 1964 Tiger project B382000257 From v8tracker at gmail.com Mon Dec 27 15:29:49 2010 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:29:49 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] 302 engine question(s) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tom, Ford switched to a one-piece rear main seal in 1985. It looks like a giant front main seal. If you are interested in using a serpentine belt system, you may want to check into the late 5.0 Explorer front cover, water pump and alternator set up. I used it on the 302 in my Geo Tracker and it appears to shorten the overall length of the engine by about 1.5 inches. I can take some measurements and send you some pictures if you want. Good luck, A. C. Tynes New Orleans -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gyroplanes at aol.com Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 3:51 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] 302 engine question(s) Hi Guys, I haven't posted in a while. I have my 302 almost completely built up: 1985 302 HO from a Mustang (carb & roller) Holley 600 CFM Edelbrock alum intake and heads Ford B303 roller cam Aftermarket roller lifters LAT headers, aluminum valve covers 1. I was wondering if the stock, 1985 timing chain cover, water pump, pullies,etc. are compatable with the Tiger radiator spacing. I will use electric fan(s) if necessary (or recommended by you all. I will probably go with a new aluminum radiator as well (for weight savings) 2. I need to replace the crankshaft seals due to age. Any idea if the rear is one piece, split or rope? Tom Milton Lansing, IL. 1964 Tiger project B382000257 _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker at gmail.com ________________________________ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3342 - Release Date: 12/27/10 From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 27 16:12:04 2010 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:12:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Comment re. Air Cleaner Theft Thread In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <353510.54293.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I can't believe how many people have responded to the "Air Cleaner Theft" thread. It got me thinking that in some ways the level of interest in this topic is a bit "sad." Excuse me while I wax nostalgic. While many people are thrilled that the value of Tigers and their $1000 air cleaners have gone up so much, there is sure a down side to this. First, it puts the cars out of reach for many people, especially the younger generation. More and more of our Tigers are gaining "trailer Queen" status as the years go by. When I bought our Tigers in 1978 and 1979 in Denver... I drove them daily (even in the winter). They were only worth $2500. Now I could sell my air cleaner and Mark II wheel trim for more than I bought the car for. Because of that, fewer and fewer of our cars are in the hands of people who drive them and enjoy them as they were designed to be. More and more are treated as museum pieces. One of the things that interested me so much in Tigers in the late 60's and 70's was that they were the "hot rodder's" sports car. No one cared about the "proper" color of the sheet metal behind the grill, etc. So, I guess the level of response to this thread bothers me a bit because there was a day when that was the last thing we had to think about. The only type of question that might garner that many responses would be something like "how can I get more HP from my 260 without spending an arm and a leg?" I certainly don't mean to offend those who have taken the time to reply to the thread. I just guess I miss the "old days" when the emphasis was on driving and "hopping up" Tigers and less on the value of the cars and their parts. Happy New Year, Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Dec 27 16:43:17 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 18:43:17 EST Subject: [Tigers] Comment re. Air Cleaner Theft Thread Message-ID: Bill, I agree with your comments on not driving the cars. But I think if you go through the emails on air cleaners you would find that almost all of them were comments made with "tongue in cheek". Mark In a message dated 12/27/2010 6:37:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fordlandia at sbcglobal.net writes: I can't believe how many people have responded to the "Air Cleaner Theft" thread. It got me thinking that in some ways the level of interest in this topic is a bit "sad." Excuse me while I wax nostalgic. While many people are thrilled that the value of Tigers and their $1000 air cleaners have gone up so much, there is sure a down side to this. First, it puts the cars out of reach for many people, especially the younger generation. More and more of our Tigers are gaining "trailer Queen" status as the years go by. When I bought our Tigers in 1978 and 1979 in Denver... I drove them daily (even in the winter). They were only worth $2500. Now I could sell my air cleaner and Mark II wheel trim for more than I bought the car for. Because of that, fewer and fewer of our cars are in the hands of people who drive them and enjoy them as they were designed to be. More and more are treated as museum pieces. One of the things that interested me so much in Tigers in the late 60's and 70's was that they were the "hot rodder's" sports car. No one cared about the "proper" color of the sheet metal behind the grill, etc. So, I guess the level of response to this thread bothers me a bit because there was a day when that was the last thing we had to think about. The only type of question that might garner that many responses would be something like "how can I get more HP from my 260 without spending an arm and a leg?" I certainly don't mean to offend those who have taken the time to reply to the thread. I just guess I miss the "old days" when the emphasis was on driving and "hopping up" Tigers and less on the value of the cars and their parts. Happy New Year, Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From arado7 at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 27 17:21:37 2010 From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 16:21:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Comment re. Air Cleaner Theft Thread In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <290951.77240.qm@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have an answer to this comment. I discovered the new Tiger. The Chrysler crossfire SRT6 roadster. It is a Chrysler two seater with not a Ford but a Mercedes engine. Not 4.3 liter but 3.2. However it has a supercharger and delivers 346 hp. electronically limited to 156 MPH. Plus it handles and brakes like a dream. And like my Tiger nobody puts a wrench on it but me. The BEAT go ON. Gary B9472283 tac 311 I got mine for $25000, less than a good tiger. It also has an Alpine...The NA version. --- On Mon, 12/27/10, CoolVT at aol.com wrote: From: CoolVT at aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Comment re. Air Cleaner Theft Thread To: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net, tigers at autox.team.net Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 11:43 PM Bill, I agree with your comments on not driving the cars. But I think if you go through the emails on air cleaners you would find that almost all of them were comments made with "tongue in cheek". Mark In a message dated 12/27/2010 6:37:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fordlandia at sbcglobal.net writes: I can't believe how many people have responded to the "Air Cleaner Theft" thread. It got me thinking that in some ways the level of interest in this topic is a bit "sad." Excuse me while I wax nostalgic. While many people are thrilled that the value of Tigers and their $1000 air cleaners have gone up so much, there is sure a down side to this. First, it puts the cars out of reach for many people, especially the younger generation. More and more of our Tigers are gaining "trailer Queen" status as the years go by. When I bought our Tigers in 1978 and 1979 in Denver... I drove them daily (even in the winter). They were only worth $2500. Now I could sell my air cleaner and Mark II wheel trim for more than I bought the car for. Because of that, fewer and fewer of our cars are in the hands of people who drive them and enjoy them as they were designed to be. More and more are treated as museum pieces. One of the things that interested me so much in Tigers in the late 60's and 70's was that they were the "hot rodder's" sports car. No one cared about the "proper" color of the sheet metal behind the grill, etc. So, I guess the level of response to this thread bothers me a bit because there was a day when that was the last thing we had to think about. The only type of question that might garner that many responses would be something like "how can I get more HP from my 260 without spending an arm and a leg?" I certainly don't mean to offend those who have taken the time to reply to the thread. I just guess I miss the "old days" when the emphasis was on driving and "hopping up" Tigers and less on the value of the cars and their parts. Happy New Year, Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/arado7 at sbcglobal.net From drarmacost at pmlights.com Mon Dec 27 17:31:36 2010 From: drarmacost at pmlights.com (Armacost, Don Jr.) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 18:31:36 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Comment re. Air Cleaner Theft Thread In-Reply-To: <353510.54293.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <353510.54293.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <77310C2A-0588-4AB5-AA34-335174EBB87C@pmlights.com> So well said. Happy New Year to all! Don Armacost Jr President -CEO Peterson Manufacturing Co. 816-765-2000 drarmacost at pmlights.com On Dec 27, 2010, at 5:12 PM, "Bill Waite" wrote: > I can't believe how many people have responded to the "Air Cleaner Theft" > thread. It got me thinking that in some ways the level of interest in this > topic is a bit "sad." Excuse me while I wax nostalgic. > > While many people are thrilled that the value of Tigers and their $1000 air > cleaners have gone up so much, there is sure a down side to this. First, it > puts the cars out of reach for many people, especially the younger > generation. More and more of our Tigers are gaining "trailer Queen" status > as the years go by. > > When I bought our Tigers in 1978 and 1979 in Denver... I drove them daily > (even in the winter). They were only worth $2500. Now I could sell my air > cleaner and Mark II wheel trim for more than I bought the car for. Because of > that, fewer and fewer of our cars are in the hands of people who drive them > and enjoy them as they were designed to be. More and more are treated as > museum pieces. > > One of the things that interested me so much in Tigers in the late 60's and > 70's was that they were the "hot rodder's" sports car. No one cared about > the "proper" color of the sheet metal behind the grill, etc. > > So, I guess the level of response to this thread bothers me a bit because > there was a day when that was the last thing we had to think about. The only > type of question that might garner that many responses would be something > like "how can I get more HP from my 260 without spending an arm and a leg?" > > I certainly don't mean to offend those who have taken the time to reply to the > thread. I just guess I miss the "old days" when the emphasis was on driving > and "hopping up" Tigers and less on the value of the cars and their parts. > > Happy New Year, > > Bill Waite > Grand Rapids, MI > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drarmacost at pmlights.com > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the Recipient. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and might not represent those of Peterson Manufacturing and subsidiaries (Maxi-Seal Harness, Mission Plastics North/Arkansas, Transworld, Vector Tool) . Warning: Although Peterson Manufacturing and subsidiaries (Maxi-Seal Harness, Mission Plastics North/Arkansas, Transworld, Vector Tool) has taken reasonable precautions to ensure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From slaifman at socal.rr.com Mon Dec 27 18:36:14 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:36:14 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Comment re. Air Cleaner Theft Thread In-Reply-To: <353510.54293.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <353510.54293.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D193F0E.3080408@socal.rr.com> Bill, You have got to take these remarks with your humor hat on. I think you'll find that most of the answers were written with the author's tongue firmly implanted in his cheek. "We want to get people laughing; we don't want to offend anybody." Mel Brooks " Steve, /with his original chromed air cleaner/. Now if I catch someone "in the act", What weapon is appropriate? /Steve Laifman/ /Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* On 12/27/10 3:12 PM, Bill Waite wrote: > I can't believe how many people have responded to the "Air Cleaner Theft" > thread. It got me thinking that in some ways the level of interest in this > topic is a bit "sad." Excuse me while I wax nostalgic. > > While many people are thrilled that the value of Tigers and their $1000 air > cleaners have gone up so much, there is sure a down side to this. First, it > puts the cars out of reach for many people, especially the younger > generation. More and more of our Tigers are gaining "trailer Queen" status > as the years go by. > > When I bought our Tigers in 1978 and 1979 in Denver... I drove them daily > (even in the winter). They were only worth $2500. Now I could sell my air > cleaner and Mark II wheel trim for more than I bought the car for. Because of > that, fewer and fewer of our cars are in the hands of people who drive them > and enjoy them as they were designed to be. More and more are treated as > museum pieces. > > One of the things that interested me so much in Tigers in the late 60's and > 70's was that they were the "hot rodder's" sports car. No one cared about > the "proper" color of the sheet metal behind the grill, etc. > > So, I guess the level of response to this thread bothers me a bit because > there was a day when that was the last thing we had to think about. The only > type of question that might garner that many responses would be something > like "how can I get more HP from my 260 without spending an arm and a leg?" > > I certainly don't mean to offend those who have taken the time to reply to the > thread. I just guess I miss the "old days" when the emphasis was on driving > and "hopping up" Tigers and less on the value of the cars and their parts. > > Happy New Year, > > Bill Waite > Grand Rapids, MI From atwittsend at verizon.net Mon Dec 27 18:40:01 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 17:40:01 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Comment re. Air Cleaner Theft Thread References: Message-ID: <0B48F857A9FE4F2892EA5953B8D10890@student2> >>>you would find that almost all of them were comments made with "tongue >>>in cheek".<<< Mine were. And with time to think about it..., how about a "puzzle" lock for the air cleaner like they use on wheels? My son just bought himself a little CNC machine and ... . Maybe I'm not so "tongue in cheek" on this one. Tom From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Mon Dec 27 20:56:40 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 22:56:40 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Comment re. Air Cleaner Theft Thread In-Reply-To: <4D193F0E.3080408@socal.rr.com> References: <353510.54293.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4D193F0E.3080408@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Steve's right, of course... But so's the originator of the thread... or I think he was. Still, with air cleaners selling at such exorbitant prices, maybe our friend in Florida who's selling fiberglass replicas on E-Pay has a product we need to look into. A somewhat serious question, though: if I have my original air cleaner chromed will it increase the value of the part? (For normal use I'm using the $20.00 Edelbrock, which is pretty enough and breathes better.) Tom ' 67 Mark 2 almost ready for a road test. On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Steve Laifman wrote: > Bill, > > You have got to take these remarks with your humor hat on. > > I think you'll find that most of the answers were written with the > author's tongue firmly implanted in his cheek. > > "We want to get people laughing; we don't want to offend anybody." > Mel Brooks > " > > Steve, /with his original chromed air cleaner/. > > Now if I catch someone "in the act", What weapon is appropriate? > > /Steve Laifman/ > > /Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* > > > > On 12/27/10 3:12 PM, Bill Waite wrote: > > I can't believe how many people have responded to the "Air Cleaner Theft" > > thread. It got me thinking that in some ways the level of interest in > this > > topic is a bit "sad." Excuse me while I wax nostalgic. > > > > While many people are thrilled that the value of Tigers and their $1000 > air > > cleaners have gone up so much, there is sure a down side to this. First, > it > > puts the cars out of reach for many people, especially the younger > > generation. More and more of our Tigers are gaining "trailer Queen" > status > > as the years go by. > > > > When I bought our Tigers in 1978 and 1979 in Denver... I drove them daily > > (even in the winter). They were only worth $2500. Now I could sell my > air > > cleaner and Mark II wheel trim for more than I bought the car for. > Because of > > that, fewer and fewer of our cars are in the hands of people who drive > them > > and enjoy them as they were designed to be. More and more are treated as > > museum pieces. > > > > One of the things that interested me so much in Tigers in the late 60's > and > > 70's was that they were the "hot rodder's" sports car. No one cared > about > > the "proper" color of the sheet metal behind the grill, etc. > > > > So, I guess the level of response to this thread bothers me a bit because > > there was a day when that was the last thing we had to think about. The > only > > type of question that might garner that many responses would be > something > > like "how can I get more HP from my 260 without spending an arm and a > leg?" > > > > I certainly don't mean to offend those who have taken the time to reply > to the > > thread. I just guess I miss the "old days" when the emphasis was on > driving > > and "hopping up" Tigers and less on the value of the cars and their > parts. > > > > Happy New Year, > > > > Bill Waite > > Grand Rapids, MI > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From tgrrr at peoplepc.com Mon Dec 27 21:00:11 2010 From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 20:00:11 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Comment re. Air Cleaner Theft Thread References: <353510.54293.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7E53342899A94DF69A281E510CCD63EE@bob> Bill, Not everybody on this list is more concerned with original hose clamps than high performance. It's just that with the increasing value of the cars we've become outnumbered and many cars are now in the hands of "collectors". Like you, I've owned my Tiger since the early 70's and I made a lot of performance modifications to it. I've driven stock Tigers and compared to my own, find them uninspiring. Today, you would really have to think twice about making some of those changes for fear of devaluing the car. I don't have to worry about the value of mine because it won't be sold. It's been spoken for since day 1 and when the time comes, that's where it will go. I'm thankful that I lived at the right time and met the right people to enjoy real Tigerin'. Some of the early Sunbeam Northwest events remain legendary. Bob H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Waite" To: Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 3:12 PM Subject: [Tigers] Comment re. Air Cleaner Theft Thread >I can't believe how many people have responded to the "Air Cleaner Theft" > thread. It got me thinking that in some ways the level of interest in > this > topic is a bit "sad." Excuse me while I wax nostalgic. > > While many people are thrilled that the value of Tigers and their $1000 > air > cleaners have gone up so much, there is sure a down side to this. First, > it > puts the cars out of reach for many people, especially the younger > generation. More and more of our Tigers are gaining "trailer Queen" > status > as the years go by. > > When I bought our Tigers in 1978 and 1979 in Denver... I drove them daily > (even in the winter). They were only worth $2500. Now I could sell my > air > cleaner and Mark II wheel trim for more than I bought the car for. > Because of > that, fewer and fewer of our cars are in the hands of people who drive > them > and enjoy them as they were designed to be. More and more are treated as > museum pieces. > > One of the things that interested me so much in Tigers in the late 60's > and > 70's was that they were the "hot rodder's" sports car. No one cared > about > the "proper" color of the sheet metal behind the grill, etc. > > So, I guess the level of response to this thread bothers me a bit because > there was a day when that was the last thing we had to think about. The > only > type of question that might garner that many responses would be something > like "how can I get more HP from my 260 without spending an arm and a > leg?" > > I certainly don't mean to offend those who have taken the time to reply to > the > thread. I just guess I miss the "old days" when the emphasis was on > driving > and "hopping up" Tigers and less on the value of the cars and their parts. > > Happy New Year, > > Bill Waite > Grand Rapids, MI > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tgrrr at peoplepc.com From twotigers at verizon.net Tue Dec 28 02:05:38 2010 From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 01:05:38 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Comment re. Air Cleaner Theft Thread In-Reply-To: <353510.54293.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <353510.54293.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501cba66e$658d3f00$30a7bd00$@net> Back in the 'good ol' days', there was some concerns about posting personal info (mainly addresses) in the CAT roster for fear someone would target them for theft. There were a number of Tigers stolen back then, value not withstanding; getting the roster done was not a slam dunk in the early 70's. Kirk -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Waite Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 3:12 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Comment re. Air Cleaner Theft Thread I can't believe how many people have responded to the "Air Cleaner Theft" thread. It got me thinking that in some ways the level of interest in this topic is a bit "sad." Excuse me while I wax nostalgic. While many people are thrilled that the value of Tigers and their $1000 air cleaners have gone up so much, there is sure a down side to this. First, it puts the cars out of reach for many people, especially the younger generation. More and more of our Tigers are gaining "trailer Queen" status as the years go by. When I bought our Tigers in 1978 and 1979 in Denver... I drove them daily (even in the winter). They were only worth $2500. Now I could sell my air cleaner and Mark II wheel trim for more than I bought the car for. Because of that, fewer and fewer of our cars are in the hands of people who drive them and enjoy them as they were designed to be. More and more are treated as museum pieces. One of the things that interested me so much in Tigers in the late 60's and 70's was that they were the "hot rodder's" sports car. No one cared about the "proper" color of the sheet metal behind the grill, etc. So, I guess the level of response to this thread bothers me a bit because there was a day when that was the last thing we had to think about. The only type of question that might garner that many responses would be something like "how can I get more HP from my 260 without spending an arm and a leg?" I certainly don't mean to offend those who have taken the time to reply to the thread. I just guess I miss the "old days" when the emphasis was on driving and "hopping up" Tigers and less on the value of the cars and their parts. Happy New Year, Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/twotigers at verizon.net From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk Tue Dec 28 01:18:53 2010 From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 08:18:53 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Comment re. Air Cleaner Theft Thread In-Reply-To: <353510.54293.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <353510.54293.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0VVOxBDt1ZGNFwJ7@v8tiger.demon.co.uk> Bill et al, I agree, although I think the thread strayed more to the humor side ! Obvious question I have not yet seen asked is WHO actually had an air cleaner STOLEN?? We obviously need a parallel TAC (Tiger Air Cleaner) authentication And provenance programme. Needs a label to ID every genuine AC air cleaner. Obviously, the fiberglass ones from Florida will be blacklisted as fake and branded as ALGERs (ALternative Glass re-Enforced Replacements) Of the options for security, I guess the 9mm was the most notable deterrent, but a slightly more legal/humane 15,00 volts lead off the coil might an easily wired alternative. :-) Anyhow, seasons greeting and a Happy New Year to all from the birthplace of Sunbeams. Jeff In message <353510.54293.qm at web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, Bill Waite writes >I can't believe how many people have responded to the "Air Cleaner Theft" >thread. It got me thinking that in some ways the level of interest in this >topic is a bit "sad." Excuse me while I wax nostalgic. > >While many people are thrilled that the value of Tigers and their $1000 air >cleaners have gone up so much, there is sure a down side to this. First, it >puts the cars out of reach for many people, especially the younger >generation. More and more of our Tigers are gaining "trailer Queen" status >as the years go by. > >When I bought our Tigers in 1978 and 1979 in Denver... I drove them daily >(even in the winter). They were only worth $2500. Now I could sell my air >cleaner and Mark II wheel trim for more than I bought the car for. Because of >that, fewer and fewer of our cars are in the hands of people who drive them >and enjoy them as they were designed to be. More and more are treated as >museum pieces. > >One of the things that interested me so much in Tigers in the late 60's and >70's was that they were the "hot rodder's" sports car. No one cared about >the "proper" color of the sheet metal behind the grill, etc. > >So, I guess the level of response to this thread bothers me a bit because >there was a day when that was the last thing we had to think about. The only >type of question that might garner that many responses would be something >like "how can I get more HP from my 260 without spending an arm and a leg?" > >I certainly don't mean to offend those who have taken the time to reply to the >thread. I just guess I miss the "old days" when the emphasis was on driving >and "hopping up" Tigers and less on the value of the cars and their parts. > >Happy New Year, > >Bill Waite >Grand Rapids, MI > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Tigers at autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk > > -- Jeff Howarth From jmartiniii at yahoo.com Tue Dec 28 08:59:10 2010 From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 07:59:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Parts Needed & Security Measures Message-ID: <795108.775.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hope everyone had a good holiday! Loved those tools and Pneumatic Shop Seat under the tree - my kind of gifts especially with the 66 MK1A under restoration. I am in the need for a radiator overflow tank, brackets etc believe to be the following: 1224725 Header Tank 1224795 Bracket-Header tank Mounting - is 2 required? 1224796 Clip - Header tank 9178502 Or P.49294 - clip Overflow pipe to header tank Heater control valve bracket that goes on drivers side bracing bracket. Any alternatives for the right hand duck bill drain or someone have a serviceable one? Drivers and passenger diaphragm type seat frames complete. Lastly, have been thinking about overall theft security devices other than alarm systems. My thoughts have been 3 fold. Battery cut off switch with key or removable handle mounted between trunk on sill behind passenger seat. 2.) under dash keyed ignition cut off switch. 3.) 3 -3 position toggle switches mounted on front of arm rest that must in correct positions to turn on fuel pump. I am sure others have thought about or installed such items and would appreciate your thoughts/ideas on the subject with wiring approach. I also will be installing hood pins with locks, always lock the trunk but always leave the doors unlocked. I have taken this approach since 1970 since too many friends have their tops cut and the items stolen anyway. My 1973 MGB, original owner, had the tape deck stolen in Central West End, ST. Louis, MO - the thief was very good at this job - no damage to dash - took the tape deck, all wiring, brackets, knobs out clean as a whistle. Any help with ideas or parts is greatly appreciated. Joel Martin From invite+zrdoo6dhih1z at facebookmail.com Tue Dec 28 10:36:20 2010 From: invite+zrdoo6dhih1z at facebookmail.com (Gary Moore) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 09:36:20 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Check out my photos on Facebook Message-ID: <4268e47d0326f429e36e9b26790c111a@www.facebook.com> Hi Tigers, I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile. Thanks, Gary To sign up for Facebook, follow the link below: http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=100001206867545&k=Z6E3Y6U2SVX1ZFAJPB63QTRRPQD CZUVNUWIRFFR1PS&r Already have an account? Add this email address to your account: http://www.facebook.com/n/?merge_accounts.php&e=tigers%40autox.team.net&c=26e eb3efec84cb5dbb0aaf1958d73461 ======================================= tigers at autox.team.net was invited to join Facebook by Gary Moore. If you do not wish to receive this type of email from Facebook in the future, please follow the link below to unsubscribe. http://www.facebook.com/o.php?k=daee40&u=100000313470589&mid=3841d3dG5af32329 6e7dG0G8 Facebook, Inc. P.O. Box 10005, Palo Alto, CA 94303 From laurin212 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 28 11:25:45 2010 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 13:25:45 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Check out my photos on Facebook In-Reply-To: <4268e47d0326f429e36e9b26790c111a@www.facebook.com> References: <4268e47d0326f429e36e9b26790c111a@www.facebook.com> Message-ID: gary - i am guessing this is the automated spam that gets sent to your address book when you join facebook, it has happened to others i know this is one of the other reasons i hate facebook. and yes, im part of the younger generation (if "40" is still young! at least in my own mind!), but still think facebook is a waste of time, and brings a lot of downsides with it (ie, people's houses robbed when they posted they were on vacation, etc, etc), thus i have never joined On Dec 28, 2010, at 12:36 PM, Gary Moore wrote: > Hi Tigers, > > I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events > and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join > Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile. > > Thanks, > Gary > > To sign up for Facebook, follow the link below: > http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=100001206867545&k=Z6E3Y6U2SVX1ZFAJPB63QTRRPQD > CZUVNUWIRFFR1PS&r > > Already have an account? Add this email address to your account: > http://www.facebook.com/n/?merge_accounts.php&e=tigers%40autox.team.net&c=26e > eb3efec84cb5dbb0aaf1958d73461 > > ======================================= > tigers at autox.team.net was invited to join Facebook by Gary Moore. If you do > not wish to receive this type of email from Facebook in the future, please > follow the link below to unsubscribe. > http://www.facebook.com/o.php?k=daee40&u=100000313470589&mid=3841d3dG5af32329 > 6e7dG0G8 > Facebook, Inc. P.O. Box 10005, Palo Alto, CA 94303 From laurin212 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 28 12:46:32 2010 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter L) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 11:46:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Check out my photos on Facebook In-Reply-To: <4268e47d0326f429e36e9b26790c111a@www.facebook.com> Message-ID: <485545.31604.qm@web121410.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> actually, if people started posting cool tiger pics and content, i might be tempted to join myself... --- On Tue, 12/28/10, Gary Moore wrote: From: Gary Moore Subject: [Tigers] Check out my photos on Facebook To: "Tigers at autox.team.net" Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 12:36 PM Hi Tigers, I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile. Thanks, Gary To sign up for Facebook, follow the link below: http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=100001206867545&k=Z6E3Y6U2SVX1ZFAJPB63QTRRPQD CZUVNUWIRFFR1PS&r Already have an account? Add this email address to your account: http://www.facebook.com/n/?merge_accounts.php&e=tigers%40autox.team.net&c=26e eb3efec84cb5dbb0aaf1958d73461 ======================================= tigers at autox.team.net was invited to join Facebook by Gary Moore. If you do not wish to receive this type of email from Facebook in the future, please follow the link below to unsubscribe. http://www.facebook.com/o.php?k=daee40&u=100000313470589&mid=3841d3dG5af32329 6e7dG0G8 Facebook, Inc. P.O. Box 10005, Palo Alto, CA 94303 From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 28 13:29:40 2010 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:29:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Facebook Message-ID: <172711.55760.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You may want to join the Sunbeam Tiger facebook group: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/group.php?gid=58077944065 224 members and growing. Jeff From slaifman at socal.rr.com Tue Dec 28 16:46:39 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 15:46:39 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Air Cleaner Options In-Reply-To: References: <353510.54293.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4D193F0E.3080408@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <4D1A76DF.6070202@socal.rr.com> Tom, You are definitely correct. At least mine was sent with tongue carefully embedded in the cheek. Anyway, to answer your question about chroming a Tiger Air Cleaner, it has been done. Firstly by Tiger West Coast Distributor as LAT 2 Dress-up Kit, consisting of a polished aluminum "TIGER" rocker cover, chromed dipstick, chrome radiator cap, chrome oil filler cap, and the renowned Air Cleaner. The original air cleaner was only chromed on the top cover. The bottom was stock hammer-tone paint. The original hold-down nut was hexagonal, not a "wing nut". The original Dealer Price was $86 List, or $66 Dealer Net. Check it out: http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_service/pp-pricelist.asp http://tigersunited.com/resources/parts_service/pp-lat2.asp Does anyone want to sell theirs at 10% over Dealer Net?? /Steve Laifman/ /Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* On 12/27/10 7:56 PM, Tom Parker wrote: > Steve's right, of course... But so's the originator of the thread... > or I think he was. > > Still, with air cleaners selling at such exorbitant prices, maybe our > friend in Florida who's selling fiberglass replicas on E-Pay has a > product we need to look into. > > A somewhat serious question, though: if I have my original air cleaner > chromed will it increase the value of the part? (For normal use I'm > using the $20.00 Edelbrock, which is pretty enough and breathes better.) > > Tom From slaifman at socal.rr.com Tue Dec 28 20:25:31 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 19:25:31 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Check out my photos on Facebook In-Reply-To: <485545.31604.qm@web121410.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <485545.31604.qm@web121410.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D1AAA2B.30305@socal.rr.com> Matter-of-fact, Gary and Peter, at least one exists, mine. /"Only the name has been changed to protect the innocent!" * */ *http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=23591&id=1360287247&l=f21ac448f1 * * * *The Green One is mine! * * Steve * /Steve Laifman/ /Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* On 12/28/10 11:46 AM, Peter L wrote: > actually, if people started posting cool tiger pics and content, i might be tempted to join myself... > > --- On Tue, 12/28/10, Gary Moore wrote: > > > From: Gary Moore > Subject: [Tigers] Check out my photos on Facebook > To: "Tigers at autox.team.net" > Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 12:36 PM > > > Hi Tigers, > > I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events > and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join > Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile. > > Thanks, > Gary From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com Wed Dec 29 05:15:21 2010 From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 07:15:21 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Check out my photos on Facebook References: <485545.31604.qm@web121410.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D1AAA2B.30305@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <1710180A4536450CB834D2422ED1725E@yourze8cxvr8tt> steve, who owns the fastback parked beside your car? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Laifman" To: "Peter L" ; "Tiger's Den" Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Check out my photos on Facebook > Matter-of-fact, Gary and Peter, at least one exists, mine. /"Only the > name has been changed to protect the innocent!" > * > */ > > *http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=23591&id=1360287247&l=f21ac448f1 > > * > > * > * > > *The Green One is mine! > * > > * > Steve > * > > > /Steve Laifman/ > > /Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* > > > > On 12/28/10 11:46 AM, Peter L wrote: >> actually, if people started posting cool tiger pics and content, i might >> be tempted to join myself... >> >> --- On Tue, 12/28/10, Gary Moore >> wrote: >> >> >> From: Gary Moore >> Subject: [Tigers] Check out my photos on Facebook >> To: "Tigers at autox.team.net" >> Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 12:36 PM >> >> >> Hi Tigers, >> >> I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and >> events >> and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to >> join >> Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile. >> >> Thanks, >> Gary > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 29 07:26:26 2010 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 06:26:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] To Restore, or not Restore, that is the question Message-ID: <830624.98997.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Take a look at this Tiger on Ebay: 280609341334. Can this Tiger be saved? It looks like a parts donor for sure. Jeff From barncobob at aol.com Wed Dec 29 08:49:43 2010 From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 10:49:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Tigers] 2.88 ring/pinion , speed vs. rpm Message-ID: <8CD758724F6245A-1218-3BCFB@webmail-m016.sysops.aol.com> just curious, for those of u having stock rear end and tranny... at 60mph(96.5 kph) how many rpms are u turning. From simer.frank at gmail.com Wed Dec 29 09:09:10 2010 From: simer.frank at gmail.com (Frank Simer) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 10:09:10 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] To Restore, or not Restore, that is the question In-Reply-To: <830624.98997.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <830624.98997.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I am not sure if I would take it on- but its far easier to unbend an unibody than it is to "unrust" one. Frank Minneapolis On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 8:26 AM, Jeffrey Nichols wrote: > Take a look at this Tiger on Ebay: 280609341334. Can this Tiger be saved? > It looks like a parts donor for sure. > > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/simer.frank at gmail.com From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Dec 29 09:14:52 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 11:14:52 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] To Restore, or not Restore, that is the question In-Reply-To: <830624.98997.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5E8F2E7FA7B94E469C23AF12AFC32831@ronpc1> Jeff This Tiger appears to be structurally sound but a first hand visual inspection is needed to verify the total actual damage. It would obviously take a great deal of work and $$$ to bring it back. Too bad the original engine is already gone. $3000 and the reserve is not met? Not sure I would pay much more without an engine included but then I'm not in the market for a project like this. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 9:26 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] To Restore, or not Restore, that is the question Take a look at this Tiger on Ebay: 280609341334. Can this Tiger be saved? It looks like a parts donor for sure. Jeff _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3344 - Release Date: 12/28/10 07:34:00 From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Dec 29 09:36:43 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 11:36:43 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 2.88 ring/pinion , speed vs. rpm In-Reply-To: <8CD758724F6245A-1218-3BCFB@webmail-m016.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: This depends on a few things like the circumference of your tires and how accurate your tach. The shop manual indicates that @ 60 mph the engine should be around 2500 rpm; you should see similar. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of barncobob at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 10:50 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] 2.88 ring/pinion , speed vs. rpm just curious, for those of u having stock rear end and tranny... at 60mph(96.5 kph) how many rpms are u turning. _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3344 - Release Date: 12/28/10 07:34:00 From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Dec 29 09:38:35 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 11:38:35 EST Subject: [Tigers] 2.88 ring/pinion , speed vs. rpm Message-ID: <2b925.fa285ab.3a4cbe0b@aol.com> If my memory serves me correctly at 3,000 rpm's you should be at about 72MPH. In a message dated 12/29/2010 10:57:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, barncobob at aol.com writes: just curious, for those of u having stock rear end and tranny... at 60mph(96.5 kph) how many rpms are u turning. _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Wed Dec 29 09:43:12 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 11:43:12 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 2.88 ring/pinion , speed vs. rpm In-Reply-To: <8CD758724F6245A-1218-3BCFB@webmail-m016.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD758724F6245A-1218-3BCFB@webmail-m016.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Bob, It'll depend on the tire size. C.A.T. Shop Notes (in my opinion one of the "required" pieces of reference material, right after Tigers United, and Norm's Rootes1 web site) has a very nice chart in the Wheels / Tires section (p: L-7). Tom ' 67 Mark 2 On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:49 AM, wrote: > just curious, for those of u having stock rear end and tranny... > at 60mph(96.5 kph) how many rpms are u turning. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From mmichels at socal.rr.com Wed Dec 29 12:14:37 2010 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 11:14:37 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] 2.88 ring/pinion , speed vs. rpm In-Reply-To: <2b925.fa285ab.3a4cbe0b@aol.com> References: <2b925.fa285ab.3a4cbe0b@aol.com> Message-ID: <000e01cba78c$a2d5ed20$e881c760$@rr.com> Hard to say, since my speedo reads 8 percent slow due to 205/55 15 tires. But At 3000 I would say about 75 mph. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 8:39 AM To: barncobob at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2.88 ring/pinion , speed vs. rpm If my memory serves me correctly at 3,000 rpm's you should be at about 72MPH. In a message dated 12/29/2010 10:57:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, barncobob at aol.com writes: just curious, for those of u having stock rear end and tranny... at 60mph(96.5 kph) how many rpms are u turning. _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mmichels at socal.rr.com From barncobob at aol.com Wed Dec 29 13:49:09 2010 From: barncobob at aol.com (barncobob at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:49:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Tigers] rear end gear ratio Message-ID: <8CD75B0F98AA00D-11DC-31CD1@Webmail-m110.sysops.aol.com> thanx for all the feedback. i just found this formula and i must have the gears around 3:31 or close http://golenengineservice.com/calc/calcrgr.htm From slaifman at socal.rr.com Wed Dec 29 14:18:09 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 13:18:09 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Check out my photos on Facebook In-Reply-To: <1710180A4536450CB834D2422ED1725E@yourze8cxvr8tt> References: <485545.31604.qm@web121410.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4D1AAA2B.30305@socal.rr.com> <1710180A4536450CB834D2422ED1725E@yourze8cxvr8tt> Message-ID: <4D1BA591.9070104@socal.rr.com> Bob, As I said, some of the pictures were not mine, but included as nice examples. The pictured car you're talking about is not mine, but a MkII. The car next to it appears be a small fastback, perhaps from Chrysler? http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=396467&id=1360287247 /Steve Laifman/ /Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* On 12/29/10 4:15 AM, bob webb wrote: > steve, > who owns the fastback parked beside your car? bob webb From garywinblad at comcast.net Wed Dec 29 14:39:56 2010 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary Winblad) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 21:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] rear end gear ratio In-Reply-To: <8CD75B0F98AA00D-11DC-31CD1@Webmail-m110.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <122602482.441906.1293658796425.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> While 3.31:1 is a common warmed over Tiger ratio, be sure your speed (speedometer will probably be wrong) and tach (original Smiths tachs will undoubtely be reading high) are giving you the right numbers to plug into the calculator. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: barncobob at aol.com To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:49:09 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] rear end gear ratio thanx for all the feedback. i just found this formula and i must have the gears around 3:31 or close http://golenengineservice.com/calc/calcrgr.htm _ From slaifman at socal.rr.com Wed Dec 29 14:54:10 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 13:54:10 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] rear end gear ratio and TigersUnited In-Reply-To: <8CD75B0F98AA00D-11DC-31CD1@Webmail-m110.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD75B0F98AA00D-11DC-31CD1@Webmail-m110.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4D1BAE02.2010001@socal.rr.com> Tigers and Bob, There are lot's of responses, but if you want to check out YOUR gear ratio, 4 & 5 speed, tire/wheel size and shift speeds vs the rpm's you think your good for, here is a MARVELOUS resource by Bob Hokanson. It is quite thorough and even provides a link to a free MS Excel Reader that works for both PC and Mac O/S. The "calculator" lets one change the rpm, transmission gear ratio selector, switch to another tranny gear, and "shift". The data set default is Tiger Mk I "close ratio" (not) and the MkII "wide ratio" (not), the Mustang 5 speed, the Motorsport 5 speed, and the JBA 1352-000-204 5 speed transmissions. Lot's of fun, and utility. I've had both the stock Mk I 4spd, and the MkII. I like the MkII "wide ratio - not" for around town and highway. Could stand a little longer 4th by using a 5 spd, but the MkII is perfectly adequate. http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/HokansonGearSpeedXL/pt-HokansonGearSpeedXL.asp Use it, it's fun too! THANKS BOB. Steve /Steve Laifman/ /Editor - /*/TigersUnited.com/* On 12/29/10 12:49 PM, barncobob at aol.com wrote: > thanx for all the feedback. > i just found this formula and i must have the gears around 3:31 or close > http://golenengineservice.com/calc/calcrgr.htm > _______________ From gabbardalex at att.net Wed Dec 29 16:25:37 2010 From: gabbardalex at att.net (Gabbard Gabbard) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:25:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Alpines to scrap In-Reply-To: <5E8F2E7FA7B94E469C23AF12AFC32831@ronpc1> References: <5E8F2E7FA7B94E469C23AF12AFC32831@ronpc1> Message-ID: <998945.25920.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello all, I'm parting out three rusty Alpines (1 Mk IV, 2 Mk V). Any interests? Alex Gabbard ________________________________ From: Ron Fraser To: Jeffrey Nichols ; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, December 29, 2010 11:14:52 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] To Restore, or not Restore, that is the question Jeff This Tiger appears to be structurally sound but a first hand visual inspection is needed to verify the total actual damage. It would obviously take a great deal of work and $$$ to bring it back. Too bad the original engine is already gone. $3000 and the reserve is not met? Not sure I would pay much more without an engine included but then I'm not in the market for a project like this. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 9:26 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] To Restore, or not Restore, that is the question Take a look at this Tiger on Ebay: 280609341334. Can this Tiger be saved? It looks like a parts donor for sure. Jeff _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3344 - Release Date: 12/28/10 07:34:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gabbardalex at att.net From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 29 16:32:26 2010 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:32:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Wrecked Tiger on eBay. Message-ID: <988165.34973.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280609341334&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123#v4-37 Anyone know what kind of wheels are on that Tiger? Bill From allanballard at att.net Wed Dec 29 18:11:25 2010 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:11:25 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Wrecked Tiger on eBay. In-Reply-To: <988165.34973.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <988165.34973.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: No on the wheels but a ? on whether the VIN will be used for an ALGER project... Allan Ballard MK1-a Tiger SIV Alpine On Dec 29, 2010, at 6:32 PM, Bill Waite wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280609341334&vi ewitem=&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123#v4-37 > > Anyone know what kind of wheels are on that Tiger? > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net From allanballard at att.net Wed Dec 29 18:14:27 2010 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 20:14:27 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] # Tigers remaining? In-Reply-To: <988165.34973.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <988165.34973.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8DA9F819-BFF4-45A0-B778-2C6D5F04FE35@att.net> Does anyone have an estimate of the total number of remaining Tigers? About 7,000 were made -- how many are left? Allan Ballard MK1-a Tiger SIV Alpine From sralsten111 at gmail.com Wed Dec 29 18:36:41 2010 From: sralsten111 at gmail.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 17:36:41 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] # Tigers remaining? In-Reply-To: <8DA9F819-BFF4-45A0-B778-2C6D5F04FE35@att.net> References: <988165.34973.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8DA9F819-BFF4-45A0-B778-2C6D5F04FE35@att.net> Message-ID: I've heard 2500, 3000, 3500 at different times From jim at island.net Wed Dec 29 18:58:44 2010 From: jim at island.net (jim) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 17:58:44 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] # Tigers remaining? In-Reply-To: References: <988165.34973.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8DA9F819-BFF4-45A0-B778-2C6D5F04FE35@att.net> Message-ID: <01a501cba7c5$17859f20$4690dd60$@net> I see Norm's registry shows 3947 ' survivor count' ...some of those might not exist any more if they've been written off ... ( I did a quick scan of a few MK1a's and a couple are dated to '75 as last entry ) and of course there will be others that have never been registered with his site ... I'm gonna guess that there are more 'unregistered' than ones on the registry that no longer exist so I'll say 'more than' 4000 IMHO Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Ralsten Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:37 PM To: Allan Ballard Cc: Beamclub TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] # Tigers remaining? I've heard 2500, 3000, 3500 at different times _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net From alpdavegre at msn.com Wed Dec 29 19:01:05 2010 From: alpdavegre at msn.com (DAVID GREEN) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 19:01:05 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Wrecked Tiger on eBay Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:32:26 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Waite Subject: [Tigers] Wrecked Tiger on eBay. To: tigers at autox.team.net Message-ID: <988165.34973.qm at web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280609341334&vi ewitem=&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123#v4-37 Anyone know what kind of wheels are on that Tiger? Bill Bill, It looks like early Alpine S1 wheels. Dave Green 13 Alpines 2 Mk 1 Tigers From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Dec 29 22:40:06 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 21:40:06 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] To Restore, or not Restore, that is the question References: <5E8F2E7FA7B94E469C23AF12AFC32831@ronpc1> Message-ID: <238A69449FC04B6EA6F11CA2385C2365@student2> The sill damage looks extensive. There are two layers of sill and it is rather a task to deal with. The rear picture (poor fitting trunk) shows the torsional twist applied from the accident. I think it would take a donor Alpine, plum lines and an often reference tape measure (assuming most don't have a straightening jig) to bring this one back. Hummm..., I wonder if anyone has ever left/right donored two cars together. Even with two real Tigers I can imaging the debate over what VIN number to use. :-) Tom From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com Wed Dec 29 22:55:45 2010 From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 00:55:45 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] To Restore, or not Restore, that is the question References: <5E8F2E7FA7B94E469C23AF12AFC32831@ronpc1> <238A69449FC04B6EA6F11CA2385C2365@student2> Message-ID: <11256AA8C10A44BDA459F4A9A0C6D0CB@yourze8cxvr8tt> go to my photobucket and look at what we're doing to an alpine. just a few minor twists but yes,it takes work. http://s606.photobucket.com/albums/tt142/65beam/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Witt" To: Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] To Restore, or not Restore, that is the question > The sill damage looks extensive. There are two layers of sill and it is > rather a task to deal with. The rear picture (poor fitting trunk) shows > the torsional twist applied from the accident. I think it would take a > donor Alpine, plum lines and an often reference tape measure (assuming > most don't have a straightening jig) to bring this one back. > > Hummm..., I wonder if anyone has ever left/right donored two cars > together. Even with two real Tigers I can imaging the debate over what VIN > number to use. :-) > Tom _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Thu Dec 30 07:33:14 2010 From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 09:33:14 EST Subject: [Tigers] # Tigers remaining? Message-ID: <6292b.58d5ba14.3a4df22a@aol.com> According to the Tiger Registry, last count was 3,947 known vehicles. Conditions not known. Fred Baum In a message dated 12/29/2010 8:14:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, allanballard at att.net writes: Does anyone have an estimate of the total number of remaining Tigers? About 7,000 were made -- how many are left? Allan Ballard MK1-a Tiger SIV Alpine _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.t eam.net/mailman/options/tigers/fhsloth13 at aol.com From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com Thu Dec 30 07:46:53 2010 From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 06:46:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] How many Algers remaining????? Message-ID: <246713.93762.qm@web161409.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> How many ALGERS remaining????? Thats what I want to know....In other words how many rusted, junked Alpines were saved and improved to become Tiger (Like)....I know of several in my area....God bless the Alger makers From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Dec 30 07:51:44 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 09:51:44 EST Subject: [Tigers] # Tigers remaining? Message-ID: <5e98f.503981d8.3a4df680@aol.com> If there really are 3,947 remaining, that is pretty amazing! Now if they had been fiberglassed bodies like Corvettes imagine the number. Mark In a message dated 12/30/2010 9:47:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, FHSLOTH13 at aol.com writes: According to the Tiger Registry, last count was 3,947 known vehicles. Conditions not known. Fred Baum In a message dated 12/29/2010 8:14:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, allanballard at att.net writes: Does anyone have an estimate of the total number of remaining Tigers? About 7,000 were made -- how many are left? Allan Ballard MK1-a Tiger SIV Alpine _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.t eam.net/mailman/options/tigers/fhsloth13 at aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From spook01 at comcast.net Thu Dec 30 09:05:43 2010 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:05:43 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?=23_Tigers_remaining=3F?= Message-ID: <20101230160510.4A4E5187643@autox.team.net> 3947.... hmmm. There were supposed to be less than 3000 back in the 70's. Things that make you say hmmmmmmm. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "jim" Date: Wed, Dec 29, 2010 19:58 Subject: [Tigers] # Tigers remaining? To: "'Steve Ralsten'" , "'Allan Ballard'" Cc: "'Beamclub TIGER'" I see Norm's registry shows 3947 ' survivor count' ...some of those might not exist any more if they've been written off ... ( I did a quick scan of a few MK1a's and a couple are dated to '75 as last entry ) and of course there will be others that have never been registered with his site ... I'm gonna guess that there are more 'unregistered' than ones on the registry that no longer exist so I'll say 'more than' 4000 IMHO Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Ralsten Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:37 PM To: Allan Ballard Cc: Beamclub TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] # Tigers remaining? I've heard 2500, 3000, 3500 at different times _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/spook01 at comcast.net From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 09:43:07 2010 From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Clarkwgriswold) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:43:07 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] To Restore, or not Restore, that is the question In-Reply-To: <830624.98997.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <830624.98997.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <601D0F1A-6A79-4173-B0FA-A3BFC8FE9726@gmail.com> Back to your original posting jeff, everybody gets their two cents. Here's mine: aside from the whole alger issue.....ANYTHING can be saved with enough time, money, and dedication. And there no shame in it when that car is started, mid process or finished. All of these classics are saved at some level. If one person has a generally nice car that needs a front valance, as most do, their car was "saved" from death on some level. If this car on eBay needs repairs that when done will make it "less of a car", then so does the car that needs only the valance or new fender. If someone bought this car on eBay, and dedicated their own time and money to put it back on the road, power to them, and they have my deepest respect for doing so. It takes more automotive technical knowledge and commitment to save a car like this than it does to save one that just needs a repaint with new gaskets. And nothing worthwhile is easy. Not to say that there is anything wrong with simple or cleaner restorations, as there is no "easy" restoration, but there should be no outcasting of that builder or car. As an example, if I recall correctly, Shelby built two of those twin supercharged 427 roadsters. The survivor, his personal car recently brought 5.5 million at auction. The other one, the black one, changed hands a few times by way of Bill Cosby and a few others. The way I heard the story, the last owner drove it off a cliff at speed and killed himself. The car was a total loss, waded up in a ball alot smaller than this tiger. But it is being "restored" and it's rebirth is highly anticipated. Why should a famous car be worth saving and this one not? This car might be some kids dream car and the thought of saving it is everything to him. Let him do it and let's celebrate the notion. > Take a look at this Tiger on Ebay: 280609341334. Can this Tiger be saved? > It looks like a parts donor for sure. > > > Jeff From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Dec 30 10:17:41 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:17:41 EST Subject: [Tigers] # Tigers remaining? Message-ID: <6610f.7a02a19b.3a4e18b5@aol.com> Since the 70's I'm sure that Norm has been contacted with many more. As incomplete as the registry would have been in the 70's I'm surprised that it would have shown 3000. Maybe the 3,000 was a guesstimate??? Mark In a message dated 12/30/2010 11:11:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, spook01 at comcast.net writes: 3947.... hmmm. There were supposed to be less than 3000 back in the 70's. Things that make you say hmmmmmmm. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "jim" Date: Wed, Dec 29, 2010 19:58 Subject: [Tigers] # Tigers remaining? To: "'Steve Ralsten'" , "'Allan Ballard'" Cc: "'Beamclub TIGER'" I see Norm's registry shows 3947 ' survivor count' ...some of those might not exist any more if they've been written off ... ( I did a quick scan of a few MK1a's and a couple are dated to '75 as last entry ) and of course there will be others that have never been registered with his site ... I'm gonna guess that there are more 'unregistered' than ones on the registry that no longer exist so I'll say 'more than' 4000 IMHO Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Ralsten Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:37 PM To: Allan Ballard Cc: Beamclub TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] # Tigers remaining? I've heard 2500, 3000, 3500 at different times _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/spook01 at comcast.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Thu Dec 30 10:38:42 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:38:42 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] To Restore, or not Restore, that is the question In-Reply-To: <601D0F1A-6A79-4173-B0FA-A3BFC8FE9726@gmail.com> References: <830624.98997.qm@web81506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <601D0F1A-6A79-4173-B0FA-A3BFC8FE9726@gmail.com> Message-ID: Clark, Of course you're right; given enough time and money any car can be rebuilt. The other side of the coin is this: at some point there's a financial decision to be made: either will the car be worth more than the cost of repairs or will the satisfaction of owning / driving the car be enough to offset the cost. A basic rule of thumb, based on personal experience is when you decide on a restoration project and fix a cost in your mind, double it. you may be close to what it will actually cost. If you can't stand the cost, don't do the project. There are a lot (given the number of actual tigers left) of relatively nice Tigers in the $25 - $50 thousand range. Looking at the pictures of the car on E-Pay I don't see how the body can be rebuilt for less than @ $25K unless the new owner is an accomplished body man. It could be less if the car is "rust free", but those are rare, if they exist at all. Given that the engine (and probably the transmission) are gone a $5,000 price tag may be a bit high, if the new owner expects to recoup his / her expenses. Tom ' 67 Mark 2 that's been there. On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Clarkwgriswold < clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com> wrote: > Back to your original posting jeff, everybody gets their two cents. Here's > mine: aside from the whole alger issue.....ANYTHING can be saved with > enough > time, money, and dedication. And there no shame in it when that car is > started, mid process or finished. All of these classics are saved at some > level. If one person has a generally nice car that needs a front valance, > as > most do, their car was "saved" from death on some level. If this car on > eBay > needs repairs that when done will make it "less of a car", then so does the > car that needs only the valance or new fender. If someone bought this car > on > eBay, and dedicated their own time and money to put it back on the road, > power > to them, and they have my deepest respect for doing so. It takes more > automotive technical knowledge and commitment to save a car like this than > it > does to save one that just needs a repaint with new gaskets. And nothing > worthwhile is easy. Not to say that there is anything wrong with simple or > cleaner restorations, as there is no "easy" restoration, but there should > be > no outcasting of that builder or car. > > As an example, if I recall correctly, Shelby built two of those twin > supercharged 427 roadsters. The survivor, his personal car recently brought > 5.5 million at auction. The other one, the black one, changed hands a few > times by way of Bill Cosby and a few others. The way I heard the story, the > last owner drove it off a cliff at speed and killed himself. The car was a > total loss, waded up in a ball alot smaller than this tiger. But it is > being > "restored" and it's rebirth is highly anticipated. Why should a famous car > be > worth saving and this one not? This car might be some kids dream car and > the > thought of saving it is everything to him. Let him do it and let's > celebrate > the notion. > > > > Take a look at this Tiger on Ebay: 280609341334. Can this Tiger be > saved? > > It looks like a parts donor for sure. > > > > > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From jim at island.net Thu Dec 30 21:59:37 2010 From: jim at island.net (jim) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:59:37 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] # Tigers remaining? In-Reply-To: <6610f.7a02a19b.3a4e18b5@aol.com> References: <6610f.7a02a19b.3a4e18b5@aol.com> Message-ID: <020c01cba8a7$86ddf8d0$9499ea70$@net> What I meant by saying I found entries back to '75 on the registry was. I believe that the entry dates are the 'last' time Norm heard from an owner of a particular vin# car . so if an owner contacted him then and he never heard anything more. that would be the entry date . but. if a particular car has sold many times and some or all of the new owners have contacted him over the years then the date of the 'last' contact for that vin# would be listed. I have a friend who bought his 'restorable' Tiger back in 2000 and it's date is listed as 8/00 in the registry. if I ever talk him into selling it to me, and contact Norm. it will then be listed with a ( possibly ) new city/state/prov./country and entry date. maybe 01/11 ?? ;) I think the 3947 number is how many cars have crossed Norm's path ( and George Fallehy's ) since the registry was started. some of those may have turned to dust by now ( one way or another ) and of course there are probably many who own Tigers and don't know the registry exists. I know I've met several and encouraged them to send in their info including a fellow who owned PH650040 ! Jim B382000446 From: CoolVT at aol.com [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:18 AM To: spook01 at comcast.net; jim at island.net; sralsten111 at gmail.com; allanballard at att.net Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] # Tigers remaining? Since the 70's I'm sure that Norm has been contacted with many more. As incomplete as the registry would have been in the 70's I'm surprised that it would have shown 3000. Maybe the 3,000 was a guesstimate??? Mark In a message dated 12/30/2010 11:11:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, spook01 at comcast.net writes: 3947.... hmmm. There were supposed to be less than 3000 back in the 70's. Things that make you say hmmmmmmm. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "jim" Date: Wed, Dec 29, 2010 19:58 Subject: [Tigers] # Tigers remaining? To: "'Steve Ralsten'" , "'Allan Ballard'" Cc: "'Beamclub TIGER'" I see Norm's registry shows 3947 ' survivor count' ...some of those might not exist any more if they've been written off ... ( I did a quick scan of a few MK1a's and a couple are dated to '75 as last entry ) and of course there will be others that have never been registered with his site ... I'm gonna guess that there are more 'unregistered' than ones on the registry that no longer exist so I'll say 'more than' 4000 IMHO Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Ralsten Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:37 PM To: Allan Ballard Cc: Beamclub TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] # Tigers remaining? I've heard 2500, 3000, 3500 at different times _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/spook01 at comcast.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From spook01 at comcast.net Thu Dec 30 22:51:08 2010 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 23:51:08 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?=23_Tigers_remaining=3F?= Message-ID: <20101231055037.7DC8D187644@autox.team.net> The number I spoke of was compiled from the various state records. Who knows? A large percentage are probably converts by now. R Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "jim" Date: Thu, Dec 30, 2010 22:59 Subject: [Tigers] # Tigers remaining? To: , , , Cc: What I meant by saying I found entries back to '75 on the registry was. I believe that the entry dates are the 'last' time Norm heard from an owner of a particular vin# car . so if an owner contacted him then and he never heard anything more. that would be the entry date . but. if a particular car has sold many times and some or all of the new owners have contacted him over the years then the date of the 'last' contact for that vin# would be listed. I have a friend who bought his 'restorable' Tiger back in 2000 and it's date is listed as 8/00 in the registry. if I ever talk him into selling it to me, and contact Norm. it will then be listed with a ( possibly ) new city/state/prov./country and entry date. maybe 01/11 ?? ;) I think the 3947 number is how many cars have crossed Norm's path ( and George Fallehy's ) since the registry was started. some of those may have turned to dust by now ( one way or another ) and of course there are probably many who own Tigers and don't know the registry exists. I know I've met several and encouraged them to send in their info including a fellow who owned PH650040 ! Jim B382000446 From: CoolVT at aol.com [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 9:18 AM To: spook01 at comcast.net; jim at island.net; sralsten111 at gmail.com; allanballard at att.net Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] # Tigers remaining? Since the 70's I'm sure that Norm has been contacted with many more. As incomplete as the registry would have been in the 70's I'm surprised that it would have shown 3000. Maybe the 3,000 was a guesstimate??? Mark In a message dated 12/30/2010 11:11:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, spook01 at comcast.net writes: 3947.... hmmm. There were supposed to be less than 3000 back in the 70's. Things that make you say hmmmmmmm. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "jim" From vegaslegal at aol.com Fri Dec 31 11:16:04 2010 From: vegaslegal at aol.com (vegaslegal at aol.com) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 13:16:04 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers in registry Message-ID: <8CD772DEBB226F2-DCC-5FCB5@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> I got mine in 1999 and it was totally off the grid when I bought it. It was a one owner car that had been in storage twenty years. When I popped it on Norm, his initial reaction was that 382000975 did not exist in the form described. Photos changed his mind. I would suggest that there are hundreds of others tucked away waiting for someone to discover them. From vegaslegal at aol.com Fri Dec 31 11:20:13 2010 From: vegaslegal at aol.com (vegaslegal at aol.com) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 13:20:13 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Wheels on E-Bay Tiger. Message-ID: <8CD772E80869DB8-DCC-5FD69@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> In answer to a question posed as to the wheels on the wrecked Tiger on E-Bay, they appear to be identical to the wheels offered on the Arnolt-Bristol. Problem though is that the Arnolt was a five lug design. From past familiarity with an example of an original of this very rare car, that was my immediate impression when I saw the wheels on the Tiger. From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk Fri Dec 31 13:01:55 2010 From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 20:01:55 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] are we a streak or an ambush ?? Message-ID: <8OT8XcFzajHNFwBU@v8tiger.demon.co.uk> Question, I had not looked it up previously, but the collective name for tigers is either a streak or an ambush, so the question is are several Tigers considered a streak or an ambush ? I thought I would close the year with a question and wish you all Happy Tigering for 2011. regards Jeff -- Jeff Howarth From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com Fri Dec 31 15:07:57 2010 From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Clarkwgriswold) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 16:07:57 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] are we a streak or an ambush ?? In-Reply-To: <8OT8XcFzajHNFwBU@v8tiger.demon.co.uk> References: <8OT8XcFzajHNFwBU@v8tiger.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: Well, on previous new years eves I have been known to do both, so it's hard to say. Sent from my mobile... On Dec 31, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Jeff Howarth wrote: > Question, > > I had not looked it up previously, but the collective name for tigers is either a streak or an ambush, so the question is are several Tigers considered a streak or an ambush ? > > I thought I would close the year with a question and wish you all Happy Tigering for 2011. > > > regards > > Jeff > > > > -- > Jeff Howarth > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Fri Dec 31 15:20:35 2010 From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:20:35 EST Subject: [Tigers] are we a streak or an ambush ?? Message-ID: <1f694.5d408a70.3a4fb133@aol.com> How about a "streakbush"? Fred Baum In a message dated 12/31/2010 5:14:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com writes: Well, on previous new years eves I have been known to do both, so it's hard to say. Sent from my mobile... On Dec 31, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Jeff Howarth wrote: > Question, > > I had not looked it up previously, but the collective name for tigers is either a streak or an ambush, so the question is are several Tigers considered a streak or an ambush ? > > I thought I would close the year with a question and wish you all Happy Tigering for 2011. > > > regards > > Jeff > > > > -- > Jeff Howarth > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/fhsloth13 at aol.com From jaars at emailmv.com Fri Dec 31 15:30:24 2010 From: jaars at emailmv.com (Robert Jaarsma) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:30:24 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 15" Tires In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0B956B91268C4A5CB8CF5407B576CD60@userqlmt4f4s6s> Mike you mentioned205/55/15 tires. Most others I have seen mentioned are 205/50/15. You also have 55 series in front? Do these fit without modifications? I try to decide what to put on 15" Panasports. For a what softer ride I would prefer 55 series. David Munroe mentioned on the list that his 50 series are stiff for regular touring, and that is what do. Anyone else have comments on 50 or 55 series? Happy 2011 to all. Robert -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tigers-request at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 20:36 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 627 Mike Michels" Hard to say, since my speedo reads 8 % slow due to 205/55 15 tires. But At 3000 I would say about 75 mph. Gary Winblad rear end gear ratio While 3.31:1 is a common warmed over Tiger ratio, be sure your speed (speedometer will probably be wrong) and tach (original Smiths tachs will undoubtely be reading high) are giving you the right numbers to plug into the calculator. Gary \ There are lot's of responses, but if you want to check out YOUR gear ratio, 4 & 5 speed, tire/wheel size and shift speeds vs the rpm's you think your good for, here is a MARVELOUS resource by Bob Hokanson. It is quite thorough and even provides a link to a free MS Excel Reader that works for both PC and Mac O/S. The "calculator" lets one change the rpm, transmission gear ratio selector, switch to another tranny gear, and "shift". The data set default is Tiger Mk I "close ratio" (not) and the MkII "wide ratio" (not), the Mustang 5 speed, the Motorsport 5 speed, and the JBA 1352-000-204 5 speed transmissions. Lot's of fun, and utility. I've had both the stock Mk I 4spd, and the MkII. I like the MkII "wide ratio - not" for around town and highway. Could stand a little longer 4th by using a 5 spd, but the MkII is perfectly adequate. http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/HokansonGearSpeedXL/pt-HokansonGear SpeedXL.asp From jaars at emailmv.com Fri Dec 31 15:35:59 2010 From: jaars at emailmv.com (Robert Jaarsma) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 17:35:59 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] # Tigers remaining? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <36DF2829BE524AE293FEE4FE14263AB4@userqlmt4f4s6s> The Internet might also have something to do with it. My experience is the Sunbeam Venezia. In 1988 there were 28 known to exist worldwide. Now we know over 50 (!) in some shape or form, due to the internet. And only 200 or less were ever build. Robert From sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net Fri Dec 31 15:47:23 2010 From: sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net (Paul R Sheahan) Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 14:47:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] # Tigers remaining? In-Reply-To: <36DF2829BE524AE293FEE4FE14263AB4@userqlmt4f4s6s> Message-ID: <479531.25641.qm@web83714.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I know exactly how many Tigers are left.............not enough. Paul Paul R Sheahan --- On Fri, 12/31/10, Robert Jaarsma wrote: From: Robert Jaarsma Subject: [Tigers] # Tigers remaining? To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 5:35 PM The Internet might also have something to do with it. My experience is the Sunbeam Venezia. In 1988 there were 28 known to exist worldwide. Now we know over 50 (!) in some shape or form, due to the internet. And only 200 or less were ever build. Robert _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net