From achd73 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 1 00:26:41 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 23:26:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] 289 heads In-Reply-To: <972C4EA5-11D1-44DA-9031-EB0A23A04135@att.net> Message-ID: <673217.53787.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have 2 sets of 1965 heads- my machinist, now retired and a Ford man said the 65 heads had a higher nickle content , making them stronger. he replaced the seats and valve guides- the seats for unleaded fuel, he then used Chevy valves. There is just barley room for them both to close. I haven't ported either set and actually he only built one set, another Tiger owner from the north east area sold me several of his spare parts and he had a set of 289 heads already built exactly like mine. I am running those on a 289 and yes, there is a major difference BUT now I would invest in a set of aluminum heads as opposed to paying the machinist for his time. Luckily for me, when I had the heads built, labor wasn't so expensive and as I mentioned, me machinist was a Ford person thru and thru and enjoyed helping build a go fast Ford engine. If you are going to keep your 260 or go to 289 heads you can increase the size of the valves- depending on the cc of the head. I also highly recommend porting and polishing and if you don't have the patience, the professionals don't charge a ton. I spent $100 on my S5, 1725 head and the work was wonderful BUT that's in southern IL. I'm sure things cost more on the left coast. Hope this helps some. TOO, congrats to "would you believe" for finding his loose bolt- sure did have the list working hard solving that problem. Next time I bet someone ask if everything has been rechecked for torque. Cheers, TtT _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From achd73 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 1 07:09:59 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 06:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] what a way to start my day Message-ID: <157987.55119.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You basically humiliated me publically, saying I bmade the list work so hardbB . B IveB again been acused of f------- up on the list- the last time I quoted a fried. I did reply to one person I thought was a friend and another I dont know BUT heres the bottom line. I would and will never purposely say anything to disrespect , disgrace anyone, anyones religion, color, creed or opinion. On the other hand, I will stand up for myself and if necessary to to the gravel, shhot baskets, play pooll, shhoyB B marbels or just plain argue to settle any differences someone might have with me- at all cost I will try to avoid the gravel thing BUT dont think for a second I havent been there or I wont go back, I have the knife scars to prove one of my trips but I romise you, he suffered more than did I. So Mr would U believe- , I publicaly apoligise to you for wat you consider me humilitating you. As I explained, I did no such thing, the List is here to help everyone and if anything we learned- that the next time the same problem arises, ask if they have checked toruqe.If anyone had thought to ask that then everyone wouldnt have been pounding our brain, trying to figure why your clutch wouldnt work. SO, now, I have unhumiliated you. As for the 2 guys who sent emails. One that said no need to apllogise- its not accepted- I thought you a much better man and for the chump who call me an asshole- well, hopefully, one day I will get to show you just how big an asshole I am. My apologises to everyone for my rudeness but a person can only take so much bull crap and then he get extremely pissed and WYB- if you think that rmoving the rust caused the ear to brak off the exhaust manifold, you need to go back to porches. TonytheTigerB B B From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sun Aug 1 08:45:22 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 10:45:22 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 289 heads In-Reply-To: <972C4EA5-11D1-44DA-9031-EB0A23A04135@att.net> Message-ID: <6F3E88D0922A4311820CEE3095512C49@ronpc1> Allan Generally the 289 heads have bigger intake and exhaust ports than the 260 heads. The 289 intake manifold also has bigger ports than the 260 intake manifold. If you are using the 260 intake with the 289 heads you might see some improvement but the 289 intake with 289 heads should be the better combination. If you have the complete 5 bolt 289 engine; I would rebuild that engine and leave the 260 alone. FYI: The early 260 engine rated at 164 HP is for the smaller valve heads only, built before Feb 1964; the later 260 with larger valves was never tested for HP by Ford. I would estimate that the later 260 engine should be rated at around 185 HP but I have no information to back up that statement. There are numerous combinations of part for the 260 that can improve performance but there is little more than seat of the pants information to quantify the gains. Just installing a 300 cfm carb might give a good gain but I don't have any engine pull numbers to support that. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allan Ballard Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 10:08 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net List Tiger Subject: [Tigers] 289 heads Is there any performance advantage to 289 heads on a stock 260 Tiger motor? I need to redo my valves to be ready for current unleaded gas, and thought to rebuild 289 heads instead off a 64 1/2 5 bolt 289 motor if there is any performance advantage... If not, might as well redo the valves on the 260 heads. Thanks in avance, _______________________________________________ From shutchin at netjets.com Sun Aug 1 08:48:45 2010 From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 10:48:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 289 heads Message-ID: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D4089668B1@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com> I had heard somewhere that the 260 combustion camber was actually quite good. Faced with the same dilemma that you have I went with 289 hipo valves in the 260 head. Very happy with the result, but you need to be VERY careful about piston valve interference. I had to advance my cam four degrees to make it work. This is with a comp roller cam, so the ramps are pretty steep. The cam itself is not that aggressive when compare to say a 289 hipo cam, but the roller aspect of it gets the valves open and closed fairly quickly. Amen on all the porting and polishing. Scott Hutchinson Pilot, NJI, Inc. Mobile 843.290.2805 *** ******* This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Aug 2 01:35:37 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:35:37 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] MKII production Message-ID: MKII tigers were produced from when in '67 to June '67? -- Regards Michael King From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 2 02:41:10 2010 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 01:41:10 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] MKII production In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: December 1966 until late June 1967. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 12:36 AM To: Tiger Talk List Tiger Subject: [Tigers] MKII production MKII tigers were produced from when in '67 to June '67? -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net From arado7 at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 2 02:46:11 2010 From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 01:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] my new Tiger Message-ID: <48940.17855.qm@web82702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have my new "Tiger" It is a Crossfire SRT6 roadster in black. amazing car to drive and I don't have to restore it. Gary B9472283 From rande at thecia.net Mon Aug 2 05:44:52 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 07:44:52 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Mark II production Message-ID: <4c56afb4.5ab3.0@thecia.net> According to BON, I.D.'s # 1 and 2 have the Jensen date 19/12/66, and these are thought to be pre-production assembly line cars. The Jensen dates start again on 21/12/66, according to Norm's book. The Mike Taylor books list the resumption of production as 23/12/66. Both sources list the the last Tiger Mark II's built with the date 27/6/67, and as Norm pointed, with the exception of cars #1 and #2, the I.D. numbers were NOT consecutive relative to the Jensen dates. After car #2, the numbering system jumped to #100 and rolled on from there. From rande at thecia.net Mon Aug 2 06:46:50 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 08:46:50 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] rewrite -MK II production Message-ID: <4c56be3a.635b.0@thecia.net> From: "rande" According to BON, I.D.'s # 1 and 2 have the Jensen date 19/12/66, and these are thought to be pre-production assembly line cars. The Jensen dates start again on 21/12/66, according to Norm's book. The Mike Taylor books list the resumption of production as 23/12/66. Both sources list the the last Tiger Mark II's built with the date 27/6/67, and as Norm pointed, with the exception of cars #1 and #2, the I.D. numbers system jumped to #100 and rolled on from there.In addition to this, I.D.numbers and Jensen dates don't coincide. You'll notice that Norms book lists cars sequentially by I.D., but the Jensen dates are out of sequence,i.e the next earliest date after car #2 is 21/12/66 for cars #108 and #103, and there are many other examples. From zymmer4 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 2 08:58:57 2010 From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 07:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Ford 260 Cobra engine(production) Message-ID: <74778.88123.qm@web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The Ford 260 Engine Specs Author: Ford Information (more...) Ford 260 V-8 Engines 260 "F" 1963-65 260 "D" 1964 1/2 Engine Type 8 cylinder 90 degree, Overhead Valves (OHV) 8 cylinder 90 degree, Overhead Valves (OHV) Displacement 260 cu.inches (CID) 260 cu.inches (CID) Maximum torque 258 lbs./ft. @ 2,200 RPM (standard) 269 lbs./ft. @ 4,500 RPM (Shelby Cobra) Maximum Horsepower 164 BHP @ 4,400 RPM (standard) 260 BHP @ 5,800 RPM (Shelby Cobra) Firing Order 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8 (number one cylinder on right hand bank nearest radiator.) 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8 (number one cylinder on right hand bank nearest radiator.) Bore & Stroke 3.80" X 2.87" (96.5 mm X 72.8 mm) 4.00" X 2.87" Compression Ratio 8.8:1 (standard) 9.21:1 (Shelby Cobra) Compression Pressure 130-170 psi 130-170 psi Oil Pressure (hot) 35 to 60 lbf/in2 Mains Carburetor Autolite 2100 (2V) automatic choke Autolite 4100 (4V) manual choke Autolite 2100 (2V) automatic choke Autolite 4100 (4V) manual choke Size of Carburetor Fuel regular gas regular gas Intake Manifold cast iron (standard) aluminum (Shelby only) cast iron (standard) aluminum (Shelby only) Valve train hydraulic lifters (standard) solid & adjustable lifters (Shelby Cobra) hydraulic lifters (standard) solid & adjustable lifters (Shelby Cobra) Intake 1.662"-1.6787" 1.662"-1.6787" Exhaust 1.442"-1.457" 1.442"-1.457" Distributor single point vacuum advance (standard) dual point mechanical advance (Shelby Cobra) single point vacuum advance (standard) dual point mechanical advance (Shelby Cobra) Spark Plugs Autolite BF-42 Autolite BF-42 Point Gap .014"-.016" .032-.036 Initial Ignition Timing 4 degrees (Manual) 8 degrees (Automatic) 8 degrees Long Block Weight in lbs. 460 460 Emission Controls RPM Rev Limiter 1962 - Used in the Shelby Cobra, the Mercury Comet and the Ford Fairlaine. 1963 - Used in the Shelby Cobra, the Mercury Comet, the Ford Fairlane, the Ford Galaxy, and the Mercury Meteor 1964 - Used in the Shelby Cobra, the Mercury Comet, the Ford Fairlane, and the Ford Falcon. 1965 - Used in the newly introduced Mustang in April 1964 and was offered only until August. As we can see here, the 260 HP 260 CI Ford engine is not a highly modified "special" by any means..It incorporates a 4 bbl carb, low 9.9/1 compression and stock heads..I believe that someone who wanted a 260 in their Tiger could make this engine or better it, due to new materials and equipment offered today. zym The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. From dave at munroe.ca Mon Aug 2 10:20:39 2010 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:20:39 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure In-Reply-To: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D4089668B1@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com> References: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D4089668B1@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com> Message-ID: Ok guys, the mystery continues. I have sought advice here about oil pressure and we have discussed this before. But now more intelligence has been gathered. My engine was built by a well meaning but as it turns out, inexperienced Brit mechanic in 2005. Amongst more serious problems, my engine's oil pressure also was below what I have come to believe is "normal" pressure for a fresh, quality re-build.(50 to 55 psi cold, 40 to 50 psi hot with 10-30W oil). I was tired of, and concerned with, the O.P. gauge showing the needle far to far to the left of center. I had my engine removed and "blue-printed" by a knowledgeable and highly regarded local shop. They found and corrected the other, more serious problems, and when reassembled, put it on their shop dyno. During the rebuild they installed a new, standard oil pump on the recommendation of many on this list who responded to my earlier inquiries, to replace the high volume pump that I had installed in the first re-build.They also installed a large filter directly on the block for the several pulls the engine went through on the dyno. They had hooked-up a mechanical oil pressure guage and a transducer that fed into their diagnostic computer. My engine was showing 70 psi at 1500 rpm, and it rose to 75 at 5500 rpm (redline). Back in the car with the remote oil filter set-up, with new, large diameter hoses fitted, it shows 45 psi cold, and 25-30 hot at 3,000 to 4,000 rpm. I am at a loss to understand how the remote filter set-up could possibly cause this drop in indicated pressure. The only other variable is my pressure gauge, which is nothing if not consistent. I will appreciate any wisdom or suggestions as to what is going on and how to correct this low pressure problem. Thanks for your help, Dave From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Mon Aug 2 10:40:46 2010 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo)) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 11:40:46 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure In-Reply-To: References: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D4089668B1@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com> Message-ID: <0071DBE0C8314071A411272164D59D78@jerry> I would think that the oil pressure gauge is the culprit, try hooking up another oil pressure gauge (one you know works) and hook it up at the end of the pressure line coming from the engine (under the dash). This way you will see what your gauge is actually seeing. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Munroe Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:21 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil Pressure Ok guys, the mystery continues. I have sought advice here about oil pressure and we have discussed this before. But now more intelligence has been gathered. My engine was built by a well meaning but as it turns out, inexperienced Brit mechanic in 2005. Amongst more serious problems, my engine's oil pressure also was below what I have come to believe is "normal" pressure for a fresh, quality re-build.(50 to 55 psi cold, 40 to 50 psi hot with 10-30W oil). I was tired of, and concerned with, the O.P. gauge showing the needle far to far to the left of center. I had my engine removed and "blue-printed" by a knowledgeable and highly regarded local shop. They found and corrected the other, more serious problems, and when reassembled, put it on their shop dyno. During the rebuild they installed a new, standard oil pump on the recommendation of many on this list who responded to my earlier inquiries, to replace the high volume pump that I had installed in the first re-build.They also installed a large filter directly on the block for the several pulls the engine went through on the dyno. They had hooked-up a mechanical oil pressure guage and a transducer that fed into their diagnostic computer. My engine was showing 70 psi at 1500 rpm, and it rose to 75 at 5500 rpm (redline). Back in the car with the remote oil filter set-up, with new, large diameter hoses fitted, it shows 45 psi cold, and 25-30 hot at 3,000 to 4,000 rpm. I am at a loss to understand how the remote filter set-up could possibly cause this drop in indicated pressure. The only other variable is my pressure gauge, which is nothing if not consistent. I will appreciate any wisdom or suggestions as to what is going on and how to correct this low pressure problem. Thanks for your help, Dave _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Mon Aug 2 10:45:32 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 12:45:32 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure In-Reply-To: References: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D4089668B1@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com> Message-ID: >From the earlier post today we can assume oil pressure on a 260 / 289 should be between @ 30 - 60 lbs. from the factory. The remote filter shouldn't reduce the pressure unless there's a leak. (He said, not really knowing...) So... the obvious question: have you checked your gauge? You implied the shop used their gauge and a transducer. Tom On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Dave Munroe wrote: > Ok guys, the mystery continues. > > I have sought advice here about oil pressure and we have discussed this > before. But now more intelligence has been gathered. > > My engine was built by a well meaning but as it turns out, inexperienced > Brit mechanic in 2005. Amongst more serious problems, > my engine's oil pressure also was below what I have come to believe is > "normal" pressure for a fresh, quality re-build.(50 to 55 psi cold, 40 to 50 > psi hot with 10-30W oil). I was tired of, and concerned with, the O.P. gauge > showing the needle far to far to the left of center. > > I had my engine removed and "blue-printed" by a knowledgeable and highly > regarded local shop. They found and corrected the other, more serious > problems, and when reassembled, put it on their shop dyno. During the > rebuild they installed a new, standard oil pump on the recommendation of > many on this list who responded to my earlier inquiries, to replace the high > volume pump that I had installed in the first re-build.They also installed a > large filter directly on the block for the several pulls the engine went > through on the dyno. They had hooked-up a mechanical oil pressure guage and > a transducer that fed into their diagnostic computer. My engine was showing > 70 psi at 1500 rpm, and it rose to 75 at 5500 rpm (redline). > > Back in the car with the remote oil filter set-up, with new, large diameter > hoses fitted, it shows 45 psi cold, and 25-30 hot at 3,000 to 4,000 rpm. I > am at a loss to understand how the remote filter set-up could possibly cause > this drop in indicated pressure. The only other variable is my pressure > gauge, which is nothing if not consistent. > > I will appreciate any wisdom or suggestions as to what is going on and how > to correct this low pressure problem. > > Thanks for your help, > > Dave _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From drmayf at mayfco.com Mon Aug 2 11:12:46 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 10:12:46 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure In-Reply-To: References: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D4089668B1@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com> Message-ID: <4C56FC8E.5090900@mayfco.com> Dave, several things come to mind. One is, of course, the in dash pressure gauge. See if you can rig up a second gauge for a direct comparison. But, there are other issues as well. If you have the stock remote oil filter setup, then the adapter at the block receives the oil and makes a hard right turn headed to the filter. It must pass the hose to adapter fitting, the solid part of the hose to "rubber" hose connecion twice and then flow though another hose fiting at the filter adaper and then make another hard turn going into the filter proper. Ther filter to engine comes straight out of the filter through a fitting, then through the similar hose, with its losses, then into the block adapter. So, there are a number of places where the flow can be reduced. reducing the flow on the down stream side reduces the pressure. Also, did the dyno shop drain the oil and you put in a different viscosity? If so, that will change the flow and pressure also. Did you use the same oil brand and weight? When they had the engine on the dyno, how big was the mechanical gauge pressure line or was it screwed directly into the engine? The dinky oil pressure line that runs to the dash gauge can cause some pressure losses. It would have been interesting if the shop had used your remote filter set up on the dyno. Why didn't they? just some things to think about... mayf Dave Munroe wrote: > Ok guys, the mystery continues. > > I have sought advice here about oil pressure and we have discussed > this before. But now more intelligence has been gathered. > > My engine was built by a well meaning but as it turns out, > inexperienced Brit mechanic in 2005. Amongst more serious problems, > my engine's oil pressure also was below what I have come to believe is > "normal" pressure for a fresh, quality re-build.(50 to 55 psi cold, 40 > to 50 psi hot with 10-30W oil). I was tired of, and concerned with, > the O.P. gauge showing the needle far to far to the left of center. > > I had my engine removed and "blue-printed" by a knowledgeable and > highly regarded local shop. They found and corrected the other, more > serious problems, and when reassembled, put it on their shop dyno. > During the rebuild they installed a new, standard oil pump on the > recommendation of many on this list who responded to my earlier > inquiries, to replace the high volume pump that I had installed in the > first re-build.They also installed a large filter directly on the > block for the several pulls the engine went through on the dyno. They > had hooked-up a mechanical oil pressure guage and a transducer that > fed into their diagnostic computer. My engine was showing 70 psi at > 1500 rpm, and it rose to 75 at 5500 rpm (redline). > > Back in the car with the remote oil filter set-up, with new, large > diameter hoses fitted, it shows 45 psi cold, and 25-30 hot at 3,000 to > 4,000 rpm. I am at a loss to understand how the remote filter set-up > could possibly cause this drop in indicated pressure. The only other > variable is my pressure gauge, which is nothing if not consistent. > > I will appreciate any wisdom or suggestions as to what is going on and > how to correct this low pressure problem. > > Thanks for your help, From dave at munroe.ca Mon Aug 2 11:52:47 2010 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 14:52:47 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure In-Reply-To: References: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D4089668B1@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com> Message-ID: <37D0500852364F80925484A6CE095B40@DavePC> Tom; Jerry: I haven't checked the gauge, which I should have done, and will, as soon as I can get hold of a good quality gauge. I plan to hook it up at the block fitting of the remote set-up. There are a couple of ports there that have allen key plugs in them. Thanks, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Parker To: Dave Munroe Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil Pressure From the earlier post today we can assume oil pressure on a 260 / 289 should be between @ 30 - 60 lbs. from the factory. The remote filter shouldn't reduce the pressure unless there's a leak. (He said, not really knowing...) So... the obvious question: have you checked your gauge? You implied the shop used their gauge and a transducer. Tom On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Dave Munroe wrote: Ok guys, the mystery continues. I have sought advice here about oil pressure and we have discussed this before. But now more intelligence has been gathered. My engine was built by a well meaning but as it turns out, inexperienced Brit mechanic in 2005. Amongst more serious problems, my engine's oil pressure also was below what I have come to believe is "normal" pressure for a fresh, quality re-build.(50 to 55 psi cold, 40 to 50 psi hot with 10-30W oil). I was tired of, and concerned with, the O.P. gauge showing the needle far to far to the left of center. I had my engine removed and "blue-printed" by a knowledgeable and highly regarded local shop. They found and corrected the other, more serious problems, and when reassembled, put it on their shop dyno. During the rebuild they installed a new, standard oil pump on the recommendation of many on this list who responded to my earlier inquiries, to replace the high volume pump that I had installed in the first re-build.They also installed a large filter directly on the block for the several pulls the engine went through on the dyno. They had hooked-up a mechanical oil pressure guage and a transducer that fed into their diagnostic computer. My engine was showing 70 psi at 1500 rpm, and it rose to 75 at 5500 rpm (redline). Back in the car with the remote oil filter set-up, with new, large diameter hoses fitted, it shows 45 psi cold, and 25-30 hot at 3,000 to 4,000 rpm. I am at a loss to understand how the remote filter set-up could possibly cause this drop in indicated pressure. The only other variable is my pressure gauge, which is nothing if not consistent. I will appreciate any wisdom or suggestions as to what is going on and how to correct this low pressure problem. Thanks for your help, Dave _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From dave at munroe.ca Mon Aug 2 11:56:42 2010 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 14:56:42 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Oil Pressure Message-ID: <1684A601DC1A47BFBDD26F77F6CA6038@DavePC> Buck: I am using an aftermarket one. I had different flex lines originally, but changed them to larger diameter ones after a suggestion from this list that a restriction downstream from the pump might starve the pump and lower the pressure. Thanks, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buck Trippel" To: "Dave Munroe" Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil Pressure > Private: > > Are you using the stock remote oil filter or an aftermarket one? > > bt > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Munroe" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil Pressure > > >> Ok guys, the mystery continues. >> >> I have sought advice here about oil pressure and we have discussed this >> before. But now more intelligence has been gathered. >> >> My engine was built by a well meaning but as it turns out, inexperienced >> Brit mechanic in 2005. Amongst more serious problems, >> my engine's oil pressure also was below what I have come to believe is >> "normal" pressure for a fresh, quality re-build.(50 to 55 psi cold, 40 to >> 50 psi hot with 10-30W oil). I was tired of, and concerned with, the O.P. >> gauge showing the needle far to far to the left of center. >> >> I had my engine removed and "blue-printed" by a knowledgeable and highly >> regarded local shop. They found and corrected the other, more serious >> problems, and when reassembled, put it on their shop dyno. During the >> rebuild they installed a new, standard oil pump on the recommendation of >> many on this list who responded to my earlier inquiries, to replace the >> high volume pump that I had installed in the first re-build.They also >> installed a large filter directly on the block for the several pulls the >> engine went through on the dyno. They had hooked-up a mechanical oil >> pressure guage and a transducer that fed into their diagnostic computer. >> My engine was showing 70 psi at 1500 rpm, and it rose to 75 at 5500 rpm >> (redline). >> >> Back in the car with the remote oil filter set-up, with new, large >> diameter hoses fitted, it shows 45 psi cold, and 25-30 hot at 3,000 to >> 4,000 rpm. I am at a loss to understand how the remote filter set-up could >> possibly cause this drop in indicated pressure. The only other variable is >> my pressure gauge, which is nothing if not consistent. >> >> I will appreciate any wisdom or suggestions as to what is going on and how >> to correct this low pressure problem. >> >> Thanks for your help, >> >> Dave _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bucktrippel at verizon.net From dave at munroe.ca Mon Aug 2 12:21:39 2010 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 15:21:39 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure In-Reply-To: <4C56FC8E.5090900@mayfco.com> References: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D4089668B1@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com> <4C56FC8E.5090900@mayfco.com> Message-ID: Dr. Mayf: You make a lot of good points. First, I will test my gauge as the next step. The remote filter does have lots of places where the various fittings and twists and turns can reduce flow and as you have explained, reduce pressure. But I wonder if other Tigers that have either the original or aftermarket remote filters fitted suffer the same pressure loss? We have asked owners to report in the past on their oil pressure, but it seems only those with 60 to 70 psi come forward with the info. perhaps there are lots of others like me who have Tigers with this level of oil pressure, but don't want to talk about it! It just seems unlikely that a stock gauge would be fitted with a gauge that reads all the way to 80 psi, with 50 in the center, if "normal" was 30 to 45 psi. As humans, we naturally like to see gauges with the needles "in the middle" of their range, or higher, but lower kind of gets the anxiety juices flowing, at least with me! I only have a little over 300 miles on the engine since re-installation, so the oil that was in the engine on the dyno is still in there. I plan to change it at 500 miles. It is 10-30 Castrol. In the engine before the re-build I tried oil viscosities up to GTX 20-50 with no change in the readings on the gauge. The dyno O.P. line was taken off at the same place as the stock line is attached. It was connected to their mechanical gauge by a flex hose, much larger in dia. than the stock line. The shop didn't use the remote line because it was easier to just screw a large filter onto the block. On the dyno in stripped configuration, the engine made 450 ft lb torque at 5,100 rpm and 317 hp at 5,500 rpm. Its a nice street engine. Thanks for your thoughtful reply Dr. MayF. Dave > Dave, several things come to mind. One is, of course, the in dash > pressure gauge. See if you can rig up a second gauge for a direct > comparison. But, there are other issues as well. If you have the stock > remote oil filter setup, then the adapter at the block receives the oil > and makes a hard right turn headed to the filter. It must pass the hose > to adapter fitting, the solid part of the hose to "rubber" hose connecion > twice and then flow though another hose fiting at the filter adaper and > then make another hard turn going into the filter proper. Ther filter to > engine comes straight out of the filter through a fitting, then through > the similar hose, with its losses, then into the block adapter. So, there > are a number of places where the flow can be reduced. reducing the flow > on the down stream side reduces the pressure. Also, did the dyno shop > drain the oil and you put in a different viscosity? If so, that will > change the flow and pressure also. Did you use the same oil brand and > weight? When they had the engine on the dyno, how big was the mechanical > gauge pressure line or was it screwed directly into the engine? The dinky > oil pressure line that runs to the dash gauge can cause some pressure > losses. It would have been interesting if the shop had used your remote > filter set up on the dyno. Why didn't they? > > just some things to think about... > > mayf From dave at munroe.ca Mon Aug 2 12:25:34 2010 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 15:25:34 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure In-Reply-To: <5DBDE509B76742C3AA278C2B1CC93849@your4dacd0ea75> References: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D4089668B1@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com> <0EF556D3E2E442C7AF50CAC2623226A9@your4dacd0ea75> <01F554F34BA743F2AD24A541EB90D7B4@DavePC> <5DBDE509B76742C3AA278C2B1CC93849@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: Buck: Never thought of that. My remote filter came from Summit Racing....can't remember the brand, but it was the best they had back five years ago. I'm pretty sure I never had a clogged filter. I am too anal about changing my oil and filter to have that happen. Thanks for your thoughts Buck. Dave FYI, the reason I asked about after market is that some after market oil filter brackets have a bypass channel that allows oil to still circulate in the event of a filter failure (clog). I speculate that this might cause a weird reading if you had also moved the sender's location. bt From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Aug 2 12:43:40 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 14:43:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dave First you need to check the oil pressure at the engine with another gage to compare readings with the gage on the dash. Until you know that you really don't know there is a pressure drop or a gage/ oil line problem. The dyno test with 70 to 75 psi seem high to me plus you never know when their gage was tested for standard. I thought the Ford oil pressure relief spring setting was about 45 psi. My oil pressure ranges from 45 to 55 psi. Jaeger gages I believe were almost universal in application so probably none of them were specifically made for any one manufacturer unless it was for a Works Team race car. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Munroe Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 2:22 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil Pressure Dr. Mayf: You make a lot of good points. First, I will test my gauge as the next step. The remote filter does have lots of places where the various fittings and twists and turns can reduce flow and as you have explained, reduce pressure. But I wonder if other Tigers that have either the original or aftermarket remote filters fitted suffer the same pressure loss? We have asked owners to report in the past on their oil pressure, but it seems only those with 60 to 70 psi come forward with the info. perhaps there are lots of others like me who have Tigers with this level of oil pressure, but don't want to talk about it! It just seems unlikely that a stock gauge would be fitted with a gauge that reads all the way to 80 psi, with 50 in the center, if "normal" was 30 to 45 psi. As humans, we naturally like to see gauges with the needles "in the middle" of their range, or higher, but lower kind of gets the anxiety juices flowing, at least with me! I only have a little over 300 miles on the engine since re-installation, so the oil that was in the engine on the dyno is still in there. I plan to change it at 500 miles. It is 10-30 Castrol. In the engine before the re-build I tried oil viscosities up to GTX 20-50 with no change in the readings on the gauge. The dyno O.P. line was taken off at the same place as the stock line is attached. It was connected to their mechanical gauge by a flex hose, much larger in dia. than the stock line. The shop didn't use the remote line because it was easier to just screw a large filter onto the block. On the dyno in stripped configuration, the engine made 450 ft lb torque at 5,100 rpm and 317 hp at 5,500 rpm. Its a nice street engine. Thanks for your thoughtful reply Dr. MayF. Dave From e.coiner at cox.net Mon Aug 2 14:43:25 2010 From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 13:43:25 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure Part II In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20100802164325.V4005.279103.imail@fed1rmwml46> I just got my Tiger back on the road after a 3 year hiatus. (ie I was too cheap to have a fender bender repaired and a repaint) I have a 260, it makes 180hp at the rear wheels. I have an aftermarket remote oil filter setup. I use a low profile block adapter that Dale A. sells The filter is mounted behind the headlight bucket in the drivers side fender well. The connection are with -8 AN fittings and SS braided hose. I have a stock oil pan Cold oil pressure is 45-50 psi Warm pressure is 35 psi. When I come to a stop, the oil pressure will drop to around 10 psi, to the point I can hear bad mechanical (ie knocking) noises. As soon as the deceleration is over, the pressure will rise back up to 20 psi or so and the bad noise stops. Any ideas on what I should do to fix this one? A separate anecdote that may shed light: A coworker has a 95 Mustang with the V6. It has over 100k on the clock. He was experiencing low oil pressure, when the engine would get good and warm. He tried higher viscosity oil. No change. He replaced the oil pump with a stock unit from the local parts house. Problem solved. Now has good oil pressure even when hot. From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Aug 2 15:18:39 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:18:39 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure Part II In-Reply-To: <20100802164325.V4005.279103.imail@fed1rmwml46> Message-ID: It is very possible the oil pump has worn. Section B, pg 37 of the Shop manual is the section about the oil pump and tolerances. You might be able to clean up the pump you have or maybe a new pump is the way to go. I was able to sand the cover to the stated tolerance and I get at least 45 psi all the time. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of e.coiner at cox.net Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 4:43 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure Part II I just got my Tiger back on the road after a 3 year hiatus. (ie I was too cheap to have a fender bender repaired and a repaint) I have a 260, it makes 180hp at the rear wheels. I have an aftermarket remote oil filter setup. I use a low profile block adapter that Dale A. sells The filter is mounted behind the headlight bucket in the drivers side fender well. The connection are with -8 AN fittings and SS braided hose. I have a stock oil pan Cold oil pressure is 45-50 psi Warm pressure is 35 psi. When I come to a stop, the oil pressure will drop to around 10 psi, to the point I can hear bad mechanical (ie knocking) noises. As soon as the deceleration is over, the pressure will rise back up to 20 psi or so and the bad noise stops. Any ideas on what I should do to fix this one? A separate anecdote that may shed light: A coworker has a 95 Mustang with the V6. It has over 100k on the clock. He was experiencing low oil pressure, when the engine would get good and warm. He tried higher viscosity oil. No change. He replaced the oil pump with a stock unit from the local parts house. Problem solved. Now has good oil pressure even when hot. _______________________________________________ From slaifman at socal.rr.com Mon Aug 2 16:31:53 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:31:53 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure Part II In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C574759.3080006@socal.rr.com> Ron and Eric, I found a great alternative that is actually built by Ford MotorSport. It was published on the TigersUnited.com site: http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/Dealer_Accessories/mp-FilterAdapter2.asp as co-edit by yours truly, Jim Boynton, and Mark L. (CoolVT) The Ford MotorSport Filter is a very good one. I would, as the article states, This Ford MotorSport aluminum SVO right angle filter adapter, M-6880-A50, is shown with the FRAM PH3600 in place. The Fram is smaller in diameter than the FL1A, which does fit as well. The design is different than the truck model, and has a large sealing surface on the mounting nut, which is not removed for filter changing. I bought it at a local Parts store for $50. Well, make that $100, as the first one bounced out of the trunk and I had to get another. While this may be difficult to obtain now, it is worth it. Notice that the edge car motor mount (on the left side of the car), was slightly rounded to prevent contact. There is a Ford Truck mount, which may be available, but isn't as nice. Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com From e.coiner at cox.net Mon Aug 2 17:38:14 2010 From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 16:38:14 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure Part II In-Reply-To: <4C574759.3080006@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <20100802193814.F389I.280789.imail@fed1rmwml35> That is a nice unit but it does not fit on my car with headers. ---- Steve Laifman wrote: > Ron and Eric, > > I found a great alternative that is actually built by Ford MotorSport. > It was published on the TigersUnited.com site: > > http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/Dealer_Accessories/mp-FilterAdapter2.asp > as co-edit by yours truly, Jim Boynton, and Mark L. (CoolVT) > > The Ford MotorSport Filter is a very good one. I would, as the article > states, > > This Ford MotorSport aluminum SVO right angle filter adapter, > M-6880-A50, is shown with the FRAM PH3600 in place. The Fram is smaller > in diameter than the FL1A, which does fit as well. The design is > different than the truck model, and has a large sealing surface on the > mounting nut, which is not removed for filter changing. I bought it at a > local Parts store for $50. Well, make that $100, as the first one > bounced out of the trunk and I had to get another. > > While this may be difficult to obtain now, it is worth it. Notice that > the edge car motor mount (on the left side of the car), was slightly > rounded to prevent contact. > > There is a Ford Truck mount, which may be available, but isn't as nice. > > Steve > > > > > Steve Laifman > > > Editor > > http://TigersUnited.com From Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com Mon Aug 2 17:42:19 2010 From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com (Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 19:42:19 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] gas tank sealer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An earlier post named a gas tank sealer to use - should've written it down. :'( Can someone remember the name? (Cleaning the tank and crosspipe first with Purple Cleaner was recommended also.) thanks, Paul From sganz at pacbell.net Mon Aug 2 18:41:31 2010 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 17:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure Part II In-Reply-To: <4C574759.3080006@socal.rr.com> References: <4C574759.3080006@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <543492.13020.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is what I did to keep the same location but with a more modern synthetic filter from Canton-Mecca. I made the bracket that bolts to the front of head (the flat one) and the bracket around the filter is from Canton-Mecca. The line to the top of the filter will also work with a 180deg hose end to have a similar style to the top of the housing. The pics tell the story. These are with -10 lines as I recall. http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/TigerEngine.html For the block adapter I used one from here, it's thiner then the Canton external adapter one which I would use but might be too thick (you can get -12 lines on the canton). http://www.product-engr.com/Ford_oilAdapter.htm Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Steve Laifman To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; Tiger's Den ; Erich Coiner Sent: Mon, August 2, 2010 3:31:53 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil Pressure Part II Ron and Eric, I found a great alternative that is actually built by Ford MotorSport. It was published on the TigersUnited.com site: http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/Dealer_Accessories/mp-FilterAdapter2.as p as co-edit by yours truly, Jim Boynton, and Mark L. (CoolVT) The Ford MotorSport Filter is a very good one. I would, as the article states, This Ford MotorSport aluminum SVO right angle filter adapter, M-6880-A50, is shown with the FRAM PH3600 in place. The Fram is smaller in diameter than the FL1A, which does fit as well. The design is different than the truck model, and has a large sealing surface on the mounting nut, which is not removed for filter changing. I bought it at a local Parts store for $50. Well, make that $100, as the first one bounced out of the trunk and I had to get another. While this may be difficult to obtain now, it is worth it. Notice that the edge car motor mount (on the left side of the car), was slightly rounded to prevent contact. There is a Ford Truck mount, which may be available, but isn't as nice. Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz at pacbell.net From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Aug 2 18:50:17 2010 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 19:50:17 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure In-Reply-To: References: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D4089668B1@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com><4C56FC8E.5090900@mayfco.com>, Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06840596700E18@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> I haven't tried a modern oil pressure gauge on my engine, but it reads about 45-50 psi cold, 25 psi hot at idle . The pressure does come up as you rev the engine, but it rarely goes above 50 PSI on the gauge. This is a 120,000 mile 5.0 with worn bearings... Custom block adapter (similar internal orifices to the Canton and Dale's adapters), -10AN lines to a left-headlight mounted filter with a 90 degree tubing bend on each line. There is no flow through the gauge line, so there is no pressure drop across the gauge line. The only thing that is influenced by the size of the gauge line is how quickly the gauge might respond. Theo ________________________________________ From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Munroe [dave at munroe.ca] Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 12:21 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil Pressure Dr. Mayf: You make a lot of good points. First, I will test my gauge as the next step. The remote filter does have lots of places where the various fittings and twists and turns can reduce flow and as you have explained, reduce pressure. But I wonder if other Tigers that have either the original or aftermarket remote filters fitted suffer the same pressure loss? We have asked owners to report in the past on their oil pressure, but it seems only those with 60 to 70 psi come forward with the info. perhaps there are lots of others like me who have Tigers with this level of oil pressure, but don't want to talk about it! It just seems unlikely that a stock gauge would be fitted with a gauge that reads all the way to 80 psi, with 50 in the center, if "normal" was 30 to 45 psi. As humans, we naturally like to see gauges with the needles "in the middle" of their range, or higher, but lower kind of gets the anxiety juices flowing, at least with me! I only have a little over 300 miles on the engine since re-installation, so the oil that was in the engine on the dyno is still in there. I plan to change it at 500 miles. It is 10-30 Castrol. In the engine before the re-build I tried oil viscosities up to GTX 20-50 with no change in the readings on the gauge. The dyno O.P. line was taken off at the same place as the stock line is attached. It was connected to their mechanical gauge by a flex hose, much larger in dia. than the stock line. The shop didn't use the remote line because it was easier to just screw a large filter onto the block. On the dyno in stripped configuration, the engine made 450 ft lb torque at 5,100 rpm and 317 hp at 5,500 rpm. Its a nice street engine. Thanks for your thoughtful reply Dr. MayF. Dave ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From dave at munroe.ca Mon Aug 2 18:56:29 2010 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 21:56:29 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure Part II In-Reply-To: <20100802164325.V4005.279103.imail@fed1rmwml46> References: <20100802164325.V4005.279103.imail@fed1rmwml46> Message-ID: This is very close to the oil pressure I am reading on my gauge. Scary situation. That is an interesting story about your friend's hi-mileage V6. But I also replaced my oil pump and the oil pressure is identical with my old pump. I suspect whatever my situation turns out to be, yours will be the same. Very Interesting. Dave From: Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 5:43 PM Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure Part II >I just got my Tiger back on the road after a 3 year hiatus. (ie I was too >cheap to have a fender bender repaired and a repaint) > > I have a 260, it makes 180hp at the rear wheels. > I have an aftermarket remote oil filter setup. I use a low profile block > adapter that Dale A. sells > The filter is mounted behind the headlight bucket in the drivers side > fender well. > The connection are with -8 AN fittings and SS braided hose. > I have a stock oil pan > > Cold oil pressure is 45-50 psi > Warm pressure is 35 psi. > > When I come to a stop, the oil pressure will drop to around 10 psi, to the > point I can hear bad mechanical (ie knocking) noises. As soon as the > deceleration is over, the pressure will rise back up to 20 psi or so and > the bad noise stops. > Any ideas on what I should do to fix this one? > > A separate anecdote that may shed light: A coworker has a 95 Mustang with > the V6. It has over 100k on the clock. He was experiencing low oil > pressure, when the engine would get good and warm. He tried higher > viscosity oil. No change. > He replaced the oil pump with a stock unit from the local parts house. > Problem solved. Now has good oil pressure even when hot. From jteepen at usatoday.com Mon Aug 2 19:05:03 2010 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 21:05:03 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure In-Reply-To: <37D0500852364F80925484A6CE095B40@DavePC> References: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D4089668B1@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com> <37D0500852364F80925484A6CE095B40@DavePC> Message-ID: Dave: You mention in the original message below that the hoses for the oil filter were changed to "large diameter" hoses. How large? I have no experience with altering the hose diameter in an automotive application, but I do know that a larger diameter water pipe system will reduce the overall pressure in the system. Years ago a friend of mine re-plumbed his house with 3/4" copper pipe versus 1/2" pipe. The result? Poor water pressure. Not sure this applies to oil.. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Munroe Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:53 AM To: Tom Parker Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil Pressure Tom; Jerry: I haven't checked the gauge, which I should have done, and will, as soon as I can get hold of a good quality gauge. I plan to hook it up at the block fitting of the remote set-up. There are a couple of ports there that have allen key plugs in them. Thanks, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Parker To: Dave Munroe Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil Pressure From the earlier post today we can assume oil pressure on a 260 / 289 should be between @ 30 - 60 lbs. from the factory. The remote filter shouldn't reduce the pressure unless there's a leak. (He said, not really knowing...) So... the obvious question: have you checked your gauge? You implied the shop used their gauge and a transducer. Tom On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Dave Munroe wrote: Ok guys, the mystery continues. I have sought advice here about oil pressure and we have discussed this before. But now more intelligence has been gathered. My engine was built by a well meaning but as it turns out, inexperienced Brit mechanic in 2005. Amongst more serious problems, my engine's oil pressure also was below what I have come to believe is "normal" pressure for a fresh, quality re-build.(50 to 55 psi cold, 40 to 50 psi hot with 10-30W oil). I was tired of, and concerned with, the O.P. gauge showing the needle far to far to the left of center. I had my engine removed and "blue-printed" by a knowledgeable and highly regarded local shop. They found and corrected the other, more serious problems, and when reassembled, put it on their shop dyno. During the rebuild they installed a new, standard oil pump on the recommendation of many on this list who responded to my earlier inquiries, to replace the high volume pump that I had installed in the first re-build.They also installed a large filter directly on the block for the several pulls the engine went through on the dyno. They had hooked-up a mechanical oil pressure guage and a transducer that fed into their diagnostic computer. My engine was showing 70 psi at 1500 rpm, and it rose to 75 at 5500 rpm (redline). Back in the car with the remote oil filter set-up, with new, large diameter hoses fitted, it shows 45 psi cold, and 25-30 hot at 3,000 to 4,000 rpm. I am at a loss to understand how the remote filter set-up could possibly cause this drop in indicated pressure. The only other variable is my pressure gauge, which is nothing if not consistent. I will appreciate any wisdom or suggestions as to what is going on and how to correct this low pressure problem. Thanks for your help, Dave _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From dave at munroe.ca Mon Aug 2 19:05:58 2010 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 22:05:58 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] oil pressure In-Reply-To: <002101cb329c$ad1591b0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4> References: <002101cb329c$ad1591b0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4> Message-ID: <38AAEDC784EE42918788701F77AFF0E2@DavePC> Thanks Clyde. That is what I'd like to see on my gauge. Perhaps, as many have suggested, I have a duff gauge. I know my rods and mains inserts are good, (indeed excellent) and I have had two new oil pumps inside my engine. I have seen 70 psi on the dyno gauge, so the only two variables are the remote oil filter and the gauge itself. When I get to the bottom of this, I will report back to this list. Cheers, Dave From: Clyde McLaughlin Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 8:44 PM Subject: oil pressure Hi Dave, I have both a remote filter and oil cooler, pressures 60-65 at cruising speed all the time, 30 at idle warm, engine is stock hipo 289 except for hydrolic cam, Clyde From dave at munroe.ca Mon Aug 2 20:22:26 2010 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 23:22:26 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06840596700E18@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> References: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D4089668B1@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com><4C56FC8E.5090900@mayfco.com>, <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B06840596700E18@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <3AF53421B1F843809ACAF3BB1ED4CC1A@DavePC> Thanks Theo: You have another engine producing similar pressures to mine. However I never see 50, but I do see 25 at idle. Brand new crank, rods, inserts, and oil pump. Now just under 400 miles since refresh. I suspect these are more normal pressures than I had been led to believe. But there are many Tiger blocks out there producing some truly impressive pressure numbers. Thanks for your input. Dave From: "Smit, Theo" Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 9:50 PM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Oil Pressure I haven't tried a modern oil pressure gauge on my engine, but it reads about 45-50 psi cold, 25 psi hot at idle . The pressure does come up as you rev the engine, but it rarely goes above 50 PSI on the gauge. This is a 120,000 mile 5.0 with worn bearings... Custom block adapter (similar internal orifices to the Canton and Dale's adapters), -10AN lines to a left-headlight mounted filter with a 90 degree tubing bend on each line. There is no flow through the gauge line, so there is no pressure drop across the gauge line. The only thing that is influenced by the size of the gauge line is how quickly the gauge might respond. Theo . From BEAU2EVE at aol.com Mon Aug 2 20:24:11 2010 From: BEAU2EVE at aol.com (BEAU2EVE at aol.com) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 22:24:11 EDT Subject: [Tigers] rack boots Message-ID: Where do I go to get a pair of decent fitting boots for the rack. Also I remember someone mentioned a guy who rebuilds the steering colums. Who and where is he Thanks in advance guys. Beau 9470951 the real deal From sawhill at att.net Mon Aug 2 20:35:58 2010 From: sawhill at att.net (Kenda Sawhill) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 19:35:58 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] New dash Message-ID: <287070B1C4694E579C7491A2986311B2@HomeOffice> I agree with Tom, Randy is a great guy. I had a dash done a few years ago in fiddle-back Koa with optional glove box door. I hope the rest of the car some day comes out half as nice!!!! Mac Sawhill B9470860 From robin02 at mindspring.com Mon Aug 2 20:39:04 2010 From: robin02 at mindspring.com (robin02 at mindspring.com) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 02:39:04 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] gas tank sealer Message-ID: <1445790657-1280803151-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-306023937-@bda141.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Por 15. ------Original Message------ From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com Sender: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] gas tank sealer Sent: Aug 2, 2010 7:42 PM An earlier post named a gas tank sealer to use - should've written it down. :'( Can someone remember the name? (Cleaning the tank and crosspipe first with Purple Cleaner was recommended also.) thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/robin02 at mindspring.com Sent from my BlackBerry. smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect From dhhall at bellsouth.net Mon Aug 2 21:23:14 2010 From: dhhall at bellsouth.net (David H. Hall) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 20:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] gas tank sealer In-Reply-To: <1445790657-1280803151-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-306023937-@bda141.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1445790657-1280803151-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-306023937-@bda141.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <296143.9659.qm@web180707.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Red Kote is a highly rated product, and available at O'Reillys. David ________________________________ From: "robin02 at mindspring.com" To: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com; tigers-bounces at autox.team.net; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, August 2, 2010 10:39:04 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] gas tank sealer Por 15. ------Original Message------ From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com Sender: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] gas tank sealer Sent: Aug 2, 2010 7:42 PM An earlier post named a gas tank sealer to use - should've written it down. :'( Can someone remember the name? (Cleaning the tank and crosspipe first with Purple Cleaner was recommended also.) thanks, Paul _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/robin02 at mindspring.com Sent from my BlackBerry. smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dhhall at bellsouth.net From jteepen at usatoday.com Mon Aug 2 21:30:54 2010 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 23:30:54 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] rack boots In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rack boots are available from Sunbeam Specialties (www.rootes.com). Steering columns can be rebuilt by Doug Jennings (937) 252-3317 (Dayton, Ohio) -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BEAU2EVE at aol.com Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:24 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] rack boots Where do I go to get a pair of decent fitting boots for the rack. Also I remember someone mentioned a guy who rebuilds the steering colums. Who and where is he Thanks in advance guys. Beau 9470951 the real deal From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Tue Aug 3 00:33:43 2010 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 23:33:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Monterey Message-ID: The 74 SCF Tiger is in the trailer waiting for the tow up to Monterey for two weekends of racing with John Morton handling the driving. Tom Sakai's yellow 65 and Chris Gruys blue Monster Tiger will join us this weekend for what's now called the Pre Reunion. We practice Saturday and Sunday mornings and race each afternoon. The following week, Steve Alcala will join us with his Sebring Alpine. We practice Thursday and Friday afternoon and then another qualifying practice on Sunday morning followed by the race Sunday afternoon. Hope to see many of you in our Paddock. As usual, feel free to stop by and hang out. Buck Trippel From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Aug 3 02:52:26 2010 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 01:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Monterey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <239761.28793.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Will see you at the track! And tell Morton no tangeling with Mustangs this event ;) Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Buck Trippel To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, August 2, 2010 11:33:43 PM Subject: [Tigers] Monterey The 74 SCF Tiger is in the trailer waiting for the tow up to Monterey for two weekends of racing with John Morton handling the driving. Tom Sakai's yellow 65 and Chris Gruys blue Monster Tiger will join us this weekend for what's now called the Pre Reunion. We practice Saturday and Sunday mornings and race each afternoon. The following week, Steve Alcala will join us with his Sebring Alpine. We practice Thursday and Friday afternoon and then another qualifying practice on Sunday morning followed by the race Sunday afternoon. Hope to see many of you in our Paddock. As usual, feel free to stop by and hang out. Buck Trippel _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz at pacbell.net From mcdangerous at verizon.net Tue Aug 3 04:53:47 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 06:53:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] New dash In-Reply-To: <287070B1C4694E579C7491A2986311B2@HomeOffice> Message-ID: Ha! I have the same problem! My dash (Randy made it) has the glove box door (which I decided to have Carroll Shelby autograph for me before it was clearcoated) is so nice that the rest of the car looks somehow worse! It's kind of like painting the kitchen, which makes the family room look worse, so you paint the family room, which makes the living room worse, so you paint the living room, and the powder room looks like crap, etc., etc., etc. My car got the new dash, then the dash pads, then the carpeting, then the seats, then the top, then the center console, then the interior panels, the top, then the top boot. I put new wheels and tires on, which made my paint look somehow needy. It's a survivor (original paint for the most part), so I'm loath to paint it (I know I will someday in the foreseeable future, though, especially since there are a few areas that are not original), but this will definitely make my chrome look less than acceptable, and we're off tot the races again! Oh well, it's become almost a profession (or obsession), so I had better get used to it! M On 8/2/10 10:35 PM, "Kenda Sawhill" wrote: > I agree with Tom, Randy is a great guy. I had a dash done a few years ago in > fiddle-back Koa with optional glove box door. I hope the rest of the car > some day comes out half as nice!!!! > > > > Mac Sawhill > > B9470860 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net From Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com Tue Aug 3 07:20:41 2010 From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com (Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 09:20:41 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] gas tank sealer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks but POR-15 is for rust treatment and I'm pretty sure is not for gas tank 'interior' sealing: see: https://www.por15canada.com/can/ I was looking at Eastwood's product. It states: "Ethanol blended fuels may adversely affect this sealer. For best results, do not use with E10 - E85 fuels." I'd like to use something a little better. Paul wrote on 08/02/2010 11:22:26 PM: > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 02:39:04 +0000 > From: robin02 at mindspring.com > Subject: Re: [Tigers] gas tank sealer > To: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com, tigers-bounces at autox.team.net, > tigers at autox.team.net > Message-ID: > <1445790657-1280803151-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim. > net-306023937- at bda141.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Por 15. > ------Original Message------ > From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com > Sender: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] gas tank sealer > Sent: Aug 2, 2010 7:42 PM > > An earlier post named a gas tank sealer to use - should've written it > down. :'( > Can someone remember the name? > (Cleaning the tank and crosspipe first with Purple Cleaner was recommended > also.) > > thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team. > net/mailman/options/tigers/robin02 at mindspring.com > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry. smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 20:23:14 -0700 (PDT) > From: "David H. Hall" > Subject: Re: [Tigers] gas tank sealer > To: robin02 at mindspring.com, Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com, > tigers-bounces at autox.team.net, tigers at autox.team.net > Message-ID: <296143.9659.qm at web180707.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Red Kote is a highly rated product, and available at O'Reillys. David > ________________________________ > From: "robin02 at mindspring.com" > > To: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com; > tigers-bounces at autox.team.net; > tigers at autox.team.net > Sent: Mon, August 2, > 2010 10:39:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] gas tank sealer > > Por 15. > ------Original Message------ > From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com > Sender: > tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] gas > tank sealer > Sent: Aug 2, 2010 7:42 PM > > An earlier post named a gas tank sealer > to use - should've written it > down. :'( > Can someone remember the name? > (Cleaning the tank and crosspipe first with Purple Cleaner was recommended > also.) > > thanks, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/robin02 at mindspring.com > > > > Sent > from my BlackBerry. smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: > http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dhhall at bellsouth.net > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Tigers mailing list > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > End of Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 359 > ************************************** From e.coiner at cox.net Tue Aug 3 08:12:57 2010 From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 7:12:57 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Monterey In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20100803101257.7B5UQ.285172.imail@fed1rmwml40> My son Scott and I will be there. Driving the Tiger, man am I psyched! Erich ---- Buck Trippel wrote: > The 74 SCF Tiger is in the trailer waiting for the tow up to Monterey for two > weekends of racing with John Morton handling the driving. > > Tom Sakai's yellow 65 and Chris Gruys blue Monster Tiger will join us this > weekend for what's now called the Pre Reunion. We practice Saturday and Sunday > mornings and race each afternoon. > > The following week, Steve Alcala will join us with his Sebring Alpine. > > We practice Thursday and Friday afternoon and then another qualifying practice > on Sunday morning followed by the race Sunday afternoon. > > Hope to see many of you in our Paddock. As usual, feel free to stop by and > hang out. > > Buck Trippel > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner at cox.net From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Aug 3 08:26:58 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 10:26:58 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] gas tank sealer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1B3174B055DE48E6B353ECBBAD2D5C2F@ronpc1> Paul Definitely look for a sealer that is also good for ethanol blend fuels because you never know when you would have no choice but to pump some into your tank. I believe Red Kote, Bill Hirsh (sp?) and some others are ethanol rates but you have to look. POR 15 does have a tank sealer that is ethanol rated. https://www.por15canada.com/can/tanksealfuelpreserve.asp Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:21 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] gas tank sealer Thanks but POR-15 is for rust treatment and I'm pretty sure is not for gas tank 'interior' sealing: see: https://www.por15canada.com/can/ I was looking at Eastwood's product. It states: "Ethanol blended fuels may adversely affect this sealer. For best results, do not use with E10 - E85 fuels." I'd like to use something a little better. Paul From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 3 08:34:26 2010 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 07:34:26 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] gas tank sealer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7DF4A661BB614B22AB0006F2F4920490@ROSS> Paul, POR15 products do include an excellent tank sealer. Follow this link: https://www.por15canada.com/can/tanksealfuelpreserve.asp Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse Thanks but POR-15 is for rust treatment and I'm pretty sure is not for gas tank 'interior' sealing: see: https://www.por15canada.com/can/ I was looking at Eastwood's product. It states: "Ethanol blended fuels may adversely affect this sealer. For best results, do not use with E10 - E85 fuels." I'd like to use something a little better. Paul > POR 15. > > An earlier post named a gas tank sealer to use - should've written it > down. :'( > Can someone remember the name? > (Cleaning the tank and crosspipe first with Purple Cleaner was recommended > also.) > > thanks, > > Paul From Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com Tue Aug 3 08:56:09 2010 From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com (Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 10:56:09 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] gas tank sealer In-Reply-To: <1B3174B055DE48E6B353ECBBAD2D5C2F@ronpc1> Message-ID: Thanks Ron. I wonder why Eastwood would bother with that other product! Also, I guess that the sealer is only necessary when a tank is rusty (to prevent further damage). My tanks are not rusty at all so maybe I should not bother. I have been warned to clean out the OLD tank sealer as it will break down and clog the fuel lines with current gasoline. Paul " Ron Fraser" wrote on 08/03/2010 10:26:58 AM: > Paul > Definitely look for a sealer that is also good for ethanol blend > fuels because you never know when you would have no choice but to pump some > into your tank. > > I believe Red Kote, Bill Hirsh (sp?) and some others are ethanol rates but > you have to look. > > POR 15 does have a tank sealer that is ethanol rated. > https://www.por15canada.com/can/tanksealfuelpreserve.asp > > Ron Fraser > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:21 AM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] gas tank sealer > > > Thanks but POR-15 is for rust treatment and I'm pretty sure is not for gas > tank 'interior' sealing: > see: https://www.por15canada.com/can/ > > I was looking at Eastwood's product. It states: > "Ethanol blended fuels may adversely affect this sealer. For best results, > do not use with E10 - E85 fuels." > > I'd like to use something a little better. > > Paul From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 3 09:16:09 2010 From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 08:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] tank sealer Message-ID: <8643.10140.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I used one a few years from JC Whitney....dont use it...car is still in garage unfinished, never had gas in it...but the sealers is all peeling off....I either have to redo it or install another set of tanks (I hate pulling those out) another trick is to wad up some window screen and install into both ends of the crossover tube so if some coating comes loose it does not hit the small gas line tube and stop you on the road...mike From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Aug 3 09:19:54 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 11:19:54 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] gas tank sealer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5DC07DB10CA84BADB4AE55B0D97CC9DF@ronpc1> Paul My Eastwood catalog does not specifically say ethanol rated; is that listed online? They should be selling an ethanol rated sealer. The biggest problem is the seam weld of the 2 tank halves; that is were a leak can start. I sealed my tanks almost 40 years ago and I see no problem with the sealer. If you have OLD sealer and it looks and feels gummy or you can roll it off with your finger then yes that sealer needs to be removed. I also put a fuel filter in before the pump just in case there is a problem. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com [mailto:Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:56 AM To: rfraser at bluefrog.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] gas tank sealer Thanks Ron. I wonder why Eastwood would bother with that other product! Also, I guess that the sealer is only necessary when a tank is rusty (to prevent further damage). My tanks are not rusty at all so maybe I should not bother. I have been warned to clean out the OLD tank sealer as it will break down and clog the fuel lines with current gasoline. Paul From Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com Tue Aug 3 09:29:18 2010 From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com (Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 11:29:18 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] gas tank sealer In-Reply-To: <5DC07DB10CA84BADB4AE55B0D97CC9DF@ronpc1> Message-ID: Here's the Eastwood link with the ethanol note: http://www.eastwood.com/ew-gas-tank-sealer-one-pint-16-oz.html I thought all tanks had sealer in them? Someone in the group claimed "yes", in the past. Paul " Ron Fraser" wrote on 08/03/2010 11:19:54 AM: > Paul > My Eastwood catalog does not specifically say ethanol rated; is > that listed online? They should be selling an ethanol rated sealer. > > The biggest problem is the seam weld of the 2 tank halves; that is > were a leak can start. > > I sealed my tanks almost 40 years ago and I see no problem with the sealer. > > If you have OLD sealer and it looks and feels gummy or you can roll > it off with your finger then yes that sealer needs to be removed. > > I also put a fuel filter in before the pump just in case there is a problem. > > Ron Fraser > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com [mailto:Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:56 AM > To: rfraser at bluefrog.com > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [Tigers] gas tank sealer > > Thanks Ron. I wonder why Eastwood would bother with that other product! > > Also, I guess that the sealer is only necessary when a tank is rusty > (to prevent further > damage). My tanks are not rusty at all so maybe I should not bother. > > I have been warned to clean out the OLD tank sealer as it will break > down and clog > the fuel lines with current gasoline. > > Paul From kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com Tue Aug 3 10:13:11 2010 From: kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com (kevin beck) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 12:13:11 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] gas tank sealer In-Reply-To: References: <5DC07DB10CA84BADB4AE55B0D97CC9DF@ronpc1> Message-ID: I removed my tanks last fall and bought a sealer from KBS, but haven;t sealed the tanks yet. Kevin On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:29 AM, wrote: > Here's the Eastwood link with the ethanol note: > http://www.eastwood.com/ew-gas-tank-sealer-one-pint-16-oz.html > > I thought all tanks had sealer in them? Someone in the group claimed > "yes", in the past. > > Paul > > " Ron Fraser" wrote on 08/03/2010 11:19:54 AM: > > > Paul > > My Eastwood catalog does not specifically say ethanol rated; is > > that listed online? They should be selling an ethanol rated sealer. > > > > The biggest problem is the seam weld of the 2 tank halves; that is > > were a leak can start. > > > > I sealed my tanks almost 40 years ago and I see no problem with the > sealer. > > > > If you have OLD sealer and it looks and feels gummy or you can roll > > it off with your finger then yes that sealer needs to be removed. > > > > I also put a fuel filter in before the pump just in case there is a > problem. > > > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com [mailto:Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:56 AM > > To: rfraser at bluefrog.com > > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net > > Subject: RE: [Tigers] gas tank sealer > > > > > Thanks Ron. I wonder why Eastwood would bother with that other product! > > > > > Also, I guess that the sealer is only necessary when a tank is rusty > > (to prevent further > > damage). My tanks are not rusty at all so maybe I should not bother. > > > > I have been warned to clean out the OLD tank sealer as it will break > > down and clog > > the fuel lines with current gasoline. > > > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com From rande at thecia.net Tue Aug 3 11:08:24 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:08:24 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] eBay and restoring your car Message-ID: <4c584d08.30fb.0@thecia.net> HI, I'm currently going through this with a lister, but some of the info is fine for the list as a whole. I know most of you are doing this already. You don't own a copy of that bargain book BON, and you don't live near the chairman of a concours committee, and you can't make it to the annual Uniteds? Cheer up, all is not lost. Aside from this list, which is sort of the CAT Shop Notes gone viral, some excellent photos appear on eBay, parts and full assortment of photos of complete cars. I know, some of the descriptions are a little off, like the 'Alpine Only' overdrive relay that really looked a Tiger Mark II alternator relay. If you can't download the photo, can you print it and keep it in a binder? If something looks a little dodgy, check it out with the list or someone whose knowledge you trust, And check under both Tiger and Alpine, the US site and the UK site. RB From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Tue Aug 3 11:27:19 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:27:19 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] eBay and restoring your car In-Reply-To: <4c584d08.30fb.0@thecia.net> References: <4c584d08.30fb.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: "Put it in a book"... (Rande) The book grows daily. Old pictures, new pictures, tech notes, product brochures. My life is a car (not my mother....) and my wife objects, but that's another story. The most helpful items I've found: C.A.T. Shop Notes. Why re-invent the wheel? Sunbeam Specialties Catalog. Rick's really great. If he doesn't have it you may be in for a long search. Classic Sunbeam online for some of the things Rick doesn't have. A CD of "all" the Rootes Alpine / Tiger manuals. This forum. The knowledge dispensed here is invaluable. My "guru" in New Hampshire who answers all the dumb questions I come up with, And E-Bay. Buried treasure... sometimes. Ohan Karlikian in Vancouver uses this, so I'll steal it from him with credit: "Keep The ' Beam Alive." Tom On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 1:08 PM, rande wrote: > HI, > > > > I'm currently going through this with a lister, but some of the info is > fine > for the list as a whole. I know most of you are doing this already. > > You don't own a copy of that bargain book BON, and you don't live near the > chairman > of a concours committee, and you can't make it to the annual Uniteds? Cheer > up, all is not lost. > > Aside from this list, which is sort of the CAT Shop Notes gone viral, some > excellent > photos appear on eBay, parts and full assortment of photos of complete > cars. > I know, some of the descriptions are a little off, like the 'Alpine Only' > overdrive > relay that really looked a Tiger Mark II alternator relay. > > If you can't download the photo, can you print it and keep it in a binder? > If > something looks a little dodgy, check it out with the list or someone whose > knowledge you trust, And check under both Tiger and Alpine, the US site and > the UK site. > > RB > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From jmartiniii at yahoo.com Tue Aug 3 11:40:07 2010 From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 10:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Overflow Tube Message-ID: <969789.6538.qm@web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What is the correct length, diameter and angle of the radiator overflow tube coming out the drivers' side top portion of the radiator for a 1966 MK1A? I will need to add this overflow tube when the radiator is repaired. Thanks martjr From CoolVT at aol.com Tue Aug 3 11:50:57 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:50:57 EDT Subject: [Tigers] gas tank sealer Message-ID: <2e308.2553a70b.3989b101@aol.com> Paul, I don't think the problem with Tiger tanks is rust. It's normally the old sealant breaking loose and plugging the lines. You can remove the loose sealant, but it will continue to fall off and next year you'll have some more. When the tanks are coated professionally they either remove the old sealant or seal over it (not sure which). Mark In a message dated 8/3/2010 10:56:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com writes: Thanks Ron. I wonder why Eastwood would bother with that other product! Also, I guess that the sealer is only necessary when a tank is rusty (to prevent further damage). My tanks are not rusty at all so maybe I should not bother. I have been warned to clean out the OLD tank sealer as it will break down and clog the fuel lines with current gasoline. Paul " Ron Fraser" wrote on 08/03/2010 10:26:58 AM: > Paul > Definitely look for a sealer that is also good for ethanol blend > fuels because you never know when you would have no choice but to pump some > into your tank. > > I believe Red Kote, Bill Hirsh (sp?) and some others are ethanol rates but > you have to look. > > POR 15 does have a tank sealer that is ethanol rated. > https://www.por15canada.com/can/tanksealfuelpreserve.asp > > Ron Fraser > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:21 AM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] gas tank sealer > > > Thanks but POR-15 is for rust treatment and I'm pretty sure is not for gas > tank 'interior' sealing: > see: https://www.por15canada.com/can/ > > I was looking at Eastwood's product. It states: > "Ethanol blended fuels may adversely affect this sealer. For best results, > do not use with E10 - E85 fuels." > > I'd like to use something a little better. > > Paul _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From larryall at pacbell.net Tue Aug 3 12:25:22 2010 From: larryall at pacbell.net (larryall at pacbell.net) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 11:25:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] MK II alternator Bracket Message-ID: <426613.51674.qm@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does anyone have a clear picture of a MK II alternator bracket or know where I can view? Also, is the MK II bracket made of steel or aluminum? TIA From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 3 12:28:11 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 11:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re: gas tank sealer Message-ID: <857499.87911.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Th Harley shops also carry sealer for HD tanks as they have had the same problems as described in previous post. Cheers to all or those so deserving. TtT From allanballard at att.net Tue Aug 3 12:28:49 2010 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 14:28:49 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Keeping cockpit cool In-Reply-To: References: <4c584d08.30fb.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: The cockpit of my Tiger is quite warm. It was very hot as "found" but a new shifter boot and a patch to a small hole in the floor helped tremendously. Also I've filled two firewall holes with grommets, another big help. But still it's warmer than my Alpine, a lot warmer... Some of the heat must penetrate old grommets that have wires running through them so that the grommets are not solid. That will have to stay "as is" for a while--although spray-foam insulation might help the areas where those grommets are split to accomodate the item passing through. Any ideas where is the heat coming from... and how to stop it? Maybe it's coming through the floor! The heat might be a big plus in the cold months, but in a Georgia August.... Allan Ballard Atlanta, GA From Robin02 at mindspring.com Tue Aug 3 12:50:41 2010 From: Robin02 at mindspring.com (Robin Young) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 14:50:41 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Keeping cockpit cool In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Allen, Sometimes the butterfly valve on the heater control gets bent or for some reason does not seal well. After a while the heater core will get hot even with the water valve closed and it will "draft" heat into the cabin. I removed my heater box, cleaned and painted it. Then waxed the butterfly valve well and applied silicone to the housing where it closes. When the butterfly was closed to the silicon, a tight seal gasket was formed. When the silicone was set it trimmed up easily and really holds back the draft through the heater box upon reinstallation. I hope this helps. Congratulations on finding a car. RObin -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allan Ballard Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 2:29 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net List Tiger Subject: [Tigers] Keeping cockpit cool The cockpit of my Tiger is quite warm. It was very hot as "found" but a new shifter boot and a patch to a small hole in the floor helped tremendously. Also I've filled two firewall holes with grommets, another big help. But still it's warmer than my Alpine, a lot warmer... Some of the heat must penetrate old grommets that have wires running through them so that the grommets are not solid. That will have to stay "as is" for a while--although spray-foam insulation might help the areas where those grommets are split to accomodate the item passing through. Any ideas where is the heat coming from... and how to stop it? Maybe it's coming through the floor! The heat might be a big plus in the cold months, but in a Georgia August.... Allan Ballard Atlanta, GA _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/robin02 at mindspring.com From mcdangerous at verizon.net Tue Aug 3 13:34:08 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (mcdangerous at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 14:34:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Tigers] MK II alternator Bracket Message-ID: <1518329893.1550932.1280864048807.JavaMail.root@vms182.mailsrvcs.net> I have an original Mk2 bracket that I have not yet mounted. I decided to just use the generator for now because I did not want to make eventual troubleshooting more complicated during my engine installation. I could take a picture if you like. The bracket feel like steel, based on its weight. M Aug 3, 2010 01:25:44 PM, larryall at pacbell.net wrote: Does anyone have a clear picture of a MK II alternator bracket or know where I can view? Also, is the MK II bracket made of steel or aluminum? TIA _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net From jmartiniii at yahoo.com Tue Aug 3 13:35:27 2010 From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 12:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Motor Mount Source Message-ID: <515590.48018.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does anyone have a source for the TRW motor mounts? The TRW numbers are 82220 for the left and 82221 for the right. Thanks martjr From mcdangerous at verizon.net Tue Aug 3 13:37:48 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (mcdangerous at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 14:37:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Tigers] Keeping cockpit cool Message-ID: <1259545251.1551135.1280864268533.JavaMail.root@vms182.mailsrvcs.net> ...another benefit to sealing the firewall with new grommets is that fewer engine odors seep into the cockpit. Doug Jennings also suggested to me that I seal up the vents just in front of the windshield because heat and odors make their way in from there too. M Aug 3, 2010 01:50:55 PM, Robin02 at mindspring.com wrote: Allen, Sometimes the butterfly valve on the heater control gets bent or for some reason does not seal well. After a while the heater core will get hot even with the water valve closed and it will "draft" heat into the cabin. I removed my heater box, cleaned and painted it. Then waxed the butterfly valve well and applied silicone to the housing where it closes. When the butterfly was closed to the silicon, a tight seal gasket was formed. When the silicone was set it trimmed up easily and really holds back the draft through the heater box upon reinstallation. I hope this helps. Congratulations on finding a car. RObin -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allan Ballard Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 2:29 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net List Tiger Subject: [Tigers] Keeping cockpit cool The cockpit of my Tiger is quite warm. It was very hot as "found" but a new shifter boot and a patch to a small hole in the floor helped tremendously. Also I've filled two firewall holes with grommets, another big help. But still it's warmer than my Alpine, a lot warmer... Some of the heat must penetrate old grommets that have wires running through them so that the grommets are not solid. That will have to stay "as is" for a while--although spray-foam insulation might help the areas where those grommets are split to accomodate the item passing through. Any ideas where is the heat coming from... and how to stop it? Maybe it's coming through the floor! The heat might be a big plus in the cold months, but in a Georgia August.... Allan Ballard Atlanta, GA _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/robin02 at mindspring.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net From CoolVT at aol.com Tue Aug 3 13:37:57 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 15:37:57 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Motor Mount Source Message-ID: <36584.392ba81.3989ca15@aol.com> I got some through a Mustang supplier. In a message dated 8/3/2010 3:35:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jmartiniii at yahoo.com writes: Does anyone have a source for the TRW motor mounts? The TRW numbers are 82220 for the left and 82221 for the right. Thanks martjr _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From dave at munroe.ca Tue Aug 3 13:51:24 2010 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:51:24 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Dyno numbers Message-ID: <34A4A9880FB94F28B4AA7E43920FB98B@DavePC> Listers: I owe you an apology. In an earlier post I quoted an incorrect torque rating for my engine. I said: "On the dyno in stripped configuration, the engine made 450 ft lb torque at 5,100 rpm and 317 hp at 5,500 rpm. Its a nice street engine." The correct torque rating is 349.1 ft lbs. Must have been a senior's moment....the hp quoted was, however, correct at 317.3 hp. Thanks to DW at spmdr at juno.com who picked up on the inconsistency of the torque to hp claim and pointed this out to me. My most humble apologies for this statement. Dave Who none-the-less still has a nice street engine! From CoolVT at aol.com Tue Aug 3 14:00:42 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:00:42 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Keeping cockpit cool Message-ID: <38011.3bc24449.3989cf6a@aol.com> To really solve your problem you will have to take out the carpets and install an aluminum faced insulation on the firewall, floor and as much of the transmission tunnel as possible. In doing that I would guess that the temperature around my feet dropped by 20-30 degrees. I used the cheap stuff from JC Whitney (20 yrs ago) and it worked just fine. I believe some of the more expensive products come with one sticky side. I had to spray on an adhesive. Mark L In a message dated 8/3/2010 3:38:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mcdangerous at verizon.net writes: ...another benefit to sealing the firewall with new grommets is that fewer engine odors seep into the cockpit. Doug Jennings also suggested to me that I seal up the vents just in front of the windshield because heat and odors make their way in from there too. M Aug 3, 2010 01:50:55 PM, Robin02 at mindspring.com wrote: Allen, Sometimes the butterfly valve on the heater control gets bent or for some reason does not seal well. After a while the heater core will get hot even with the water valve closed and it will "draft" heat into the cabin. I removed my heater box, cleaned and painted it. Then waxed the butterfly valve well and applied silicone to the housing where it closes. When the butterfly was closed to the silicon, a tight seal gasket was formed. When the silicone was set it trimmed up easily and really holds back the draft through the heater box upon reinstallation. I hope this helps. Congratulations on finding a car. RObin -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allan Ballard Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 2:29 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net List Tiger Subject: [Tigers] Keeping cockpit cool The cockpit of my Tiger is quite warm. It was very hot as "found" but a new shifter boot and a patch to a small hole in the floor helped tremendously. Also I've filled two firewall holes with grommets, another big help. But still it's warmer than my Alpine, a lot warmer... Some of the heat must penetrate old grommets that have wires running through them so that the grommets are not solid. That will have to stay "as is" for a while--although spray-foam insulation might help the areas where those grommets are split to accomodate the item passing through. Any ideas where is the heat coming from... and how to stop it? Maybe it's coming through the floor! The heat might be a big plus in the cold months, but in a Georgia August.... Allan Ballard Atlanta, GA _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/robin02 at mindspring.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 3 14:29:01 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:29:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] MK II alternator Bracket In-Reply-To: <1518329893.1550932.1280864048807.JavaMail.root@vms182.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <406765.62886.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The Alt. bracket I have was sold thru CAT if memory serves. I had it for years prior to removing the generator and going to a one wire alternator. Its made of aluminum. A peson could go to a salvage yard and use a bracket from a junk car and put the alt. on either side he wanted- depending on what else you may be considering. Cheers, TtT From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Tue Aug 3 14:35:11 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:35:11 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Keeping cockpit cool In-Reply-To: References: <4c584d08.30fb.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: Allan, Through the tunnel, through the floor. Through the shifter hole. throuch every orifice. Rick sells plugs; so does British wiring. They're not expensive. Classic Motorsports used Thermo-Tec's "Cool-it"noise suppression / heat barrier; it's available from Summit. When I spoke to Tim at last year's Mitty he swore by it. so, today as luck would have it, I ordered some. If it's as good as he claimed I expect to be as cool as an old man can be. Tom On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Allan Ballard wrote: > The cockpit of my Tiger is quite warm. > > It was very hot as "found" but a new shifter boot and a patch to a small > hole > in > the floor helped tremendously. > > Also I've filled two firewall holes with grommets, another big help. > > But still it's warmer than my Alpine, a lot warmer... > > Some of the heat must penetrate old grommets that have wires running > through > them so that the grommets are not solid. > > That will have to stay "as is" for a while--although spray-foam insulation > might help the areas where those grommets are split to > accomodate the item passing through. > > Any ideas where is the heat coming from... and how to stop it? > > Maybe it's coming through the floor! > > The heat might be a big plus in the cold months, but in a Georgia > August.... > > Allan Ballard > Atlanta, GA > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Tue Aug 3 14:39:56 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:39:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Motor Mount Source In-Reply-To: <515590.48018.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <515590.48018.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: NAPA carries them. Early Mustang V8. Also NPD. Tom On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Joel Martin wrote: > Does anyone have a source for the TRW motor mounts? > > The TRW numbers are > 82220 for the left and 82221 for the right. > Thanks > martjr > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From mai65tai at sonic.net Tue Aug 3 14:40:37 2010 From: mai65tai at sonic.net (John Stithem) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:40:37 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Wind Diverter behind the seats---does it work in a Tiger? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003001cb334c$210be5b0$6323b110$@net> I would like to hear from anyone that has tried installing a wind diverter behind the seats in a Tiger to reduce the wind turbulence win the car when the top is off. It seems to help with the smaller roadsters like the Z4, Miata. Anyone ever tried it in a Tiger?---what were the results? Seems like it would be pretty easy to do, putting it between the seats and the roll-bar---but---why try to build a car with square wheels if we know they don't work? John From CoolVT at aol.com Tue Aug 3 14:49:26 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:49:26 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Motor Mount Source Message-ID: <3bbc7.1fb5ec3d.3989dad6@aol.com> It's easy to find them, but harder to find some that are decent. Most are coming from China. I tried a few sets including some from NAPA. One set was off by 1/2" in thickness. With another set the mounting bolts were off by 3/4'. I ended up with a set that was close....off in thickness by 1/16". I used a metal shim to match them up. Mark In a message dated 8/3/2010 4:40:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tkparker1941 at gmail.com writes: NAPA carries them. Early Mustang V8. Also NPD. Tom On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Joel Martin wrote: > Does anyone have a source for the TRW motor mounts? > > The TRW numbers are > 82220 for the left and 82221 for the right. > Thanks > martjr > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From CoolVT at aol.com Tue Aug 3 14:51:21 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:51:21 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Wind Diverter behind the seats---does it work in a Tiger? Message-ID: <3bddb.1cb617f2.3989db49@aol.com> John, I saw one advertised somewhere for MG's. Maybe someone in that group can tell how well they work and if they can be converted for use on a Tiger. I've wondered the same thing for a few years and never acted on it. Mark In a message dated 8/3/2010 4:40:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mai65tai at sonic.net writes: I would like to hear from anyone that has tried installing a wind diverter behind the seats in a Tiger to reduce the wind turbulence win the car when the top is off. It seems to help with the smaller roadsters like the Z4, Miata. Anyone ever tried it in a Tiger?---what were the results? Seems like it would be pretty easy to do, putting it between the seats and the roll-bar---but---why try to build a car with square wheels if we know they don't work? John _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From jim at island.net Tue Aug 3 15:00:17 2010 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 14:00:17 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Wind Diverter behind the seats---does it work in a Tiger? In-Reply-To: <3bddb.1cb617f2.3989db49@aol.com> References: <3bddb.1cb617f2.3989db49@aol.com> Message-ID: <493500BB6E994626A93A38821C65F5E5@JIMPC> Hi John There are several MGBs, a TR7 and a few others in our English car club that have installed them, most have been homemade out of plexi and brackets fabricated. They ALL swear by them... I'm thinking of putting it on my to-do list for next winter. I think it would be easy to fasten it to the roll bar but all that I have seen have been installed vertical and no roll bar on the car. Jim Gislason B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: August 3, 2010 1:51 PM To: mai65tai at sonic.net; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wind Diverter behind the seats---does it work in a Tiger? John, I saw one advertised somewhere for MG's. Maybe someone in that group can tell how well they work and if they can be converted for use on a Tiger. I've wondered the same thing for a few years and never acted on it. Mark In a message dated 8/3/2010 4:40:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mai65tai at sonic.net writes: I would like to hear from anyone that has tried installing a wind diverter behind the seats in a Tiger to reduce the wind turbulence win the car when the top is off. It seems to help with the smaller roadsters like the Z4, Miata. Anyone ever tried it in a Tiger?---what were the results? Seems like it would be pretty easy to do, putting it between the seats and the roll-bar---but---why try to build a car with square wheels if we know they don't work? John _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Tue Aug 3 15:26:47 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 17:26:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Motor Mount Source In-Reply-To: <3bbc7.1fb5ec3d.3989dad6@aol.com> References: <3bbc7.1fb5ec3d.3989dad6@aol.com> Message-ID: Mark, The ones I bought from NAPA were labeled 82220 & 82221 The implication (Not the same as "fact") was they were from the same supplier TRW uses. As to the accuracy, they fit, the thickness seemed to be the same, not that I knew enough to look closely. No guarantees from me!, just my personal experience. Tom On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:49 PM, wrote: > * > > > It's easy to find them, but harder to find some that are decent. Most are > coming from China. I tried a few sets including some from NAPA. One set > was off by 1/2" in thickness. With another set the mounting bolts were off > by 3/4'. I ended up with a set that was close....off in thickness by > 1/16". I used a metal shim to match them up. > Mark > * > > In a message dated 8/3/2010 4:40:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > tkparker1941 at gmail.com writes: > > NAPA carries them. Early Mustang V8. Also NPD. > > Tom > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Joel Martin wrote: > > > Does anyone have a source for the TRW motor mounts? > > > > The TRW numbers are > > 82220 for the left and 82221 for the right. > > Thanks > > martjr > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From CoolVT at aol.com Tue Aug 3 15:33:14 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 17:33:14 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Motor Mount Source Message-ID: <3e9d9.79a3f5ae.3989e51a@aol.com> Mine from NAPA were labeled China. I'm pretty sure the ones I ordered from the Mustang dealer were TRW's and they were from China. I think the only good ones are cross bolted. They sell for $100+. Anything in the $20-$50 range are going to be China made and not cross bolted. I drilled an bolted mine. M In a message dated 8/3/2010 5:26:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tkparker1941 at gmail.com writes: Mark, The ones I bought from NAPA were labeled 82220 & 82221 The implication (Not the same as "fact") was they were from the same supplier TRW uses. As to the accuracy, they fit, the thickness seemed to be the same, not that I knew enough to look closely. No guarantees from me!, just my personal experience. Tom On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:49 PM, wrote: > * > > > It's easy to find them, but harder to find some that are decent. Most are > coming from China. I tried a few sets including some from NAPA. One set > was off by 1/2" in thickness. With another set the mounting bolts were off > by 3/4'. I ended up with a set that was close....off in thickness by > 1/16". I used a metal shim to match them up. > Mark > * > > In a message dated 8/3/2010 4:40:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > tkparker1941 at gmail.com writes: > > NAPA carries them. Early Mustang V8. Also NPD. > > Tom > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Joel Martin wrote: > > > Does anyone have a source for the TRW motor mounts? > > > > The TRW numbers are > > 82220 for the left and 82221 for the right. > > Thanks > > martjr > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From dave at munroe.ca Tue Aug 3 15:37:32 2010 From: dave at munroe.ca (dave at munroe.ca) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 21:37:32 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Wind Diverter behind the seats---does it work in aTiger? In-Reply-To: <493500BB6E994626A93A38821C65F5E5@JIMPC> References: <3bddb.1cb617f2.3989db49@aol.com><493500BB6E994626A93A38821C65F5E5@JIMPC> Message-ID: I agree with Jim. I have a Moss Motors "screen" style diverter on my '74 MGB and it is really effective. I no longer need a budget for lost ball caps blowing off my head. But the Tiger is much less windy than my MGB, and don't feel the same need to install a wind blocker. FWIW, Dave Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -----Original Message----- From: "Jim" Sender: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 14:00:17 To: ; ; Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wind Diverter behind the seats---does it work in a Tiger? Hi John There are several MGBs, a TR7 and a few others in our English car club that have installed them, most have been homemade out of plexi and brackets fabricated. They ALL swear by them... I'm thinking of putting it on my to-do list for next winter. I think it would be easy to fasten it to the roll bar but all that I have seen have been installed vertical and no roll bar on the car. Jim Gislason B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: August 3, 2010 1:51 PM To: mai65tai at sonic.net; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wind Diverter behind the seats---does it work in a Tiger? John, I saw one advertised somewhere for MG's. Maybe someone in that group can tell how well they work and if they can be converted for use on a Tiger. I've wondered the same thing for a few years and never acted on it. Mark In a message dated 8/3/2010 4:40:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mai65tai at sonic.net writes: I would like to hear from anyone that has tried installing a wind diverter behind the seats in a Tiger to reduce the wind turbulence win the car when the top is off. It seems to help with the smaller roadsters like the Z4, Miata. Anyone ever tried it in a Tiger?---what were the results? Seems like it would be pretty easy to do, putting it between the seats and the roll-bar---but---why try to build a car with square wheels if we know they don't work? John _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave at munroe.ca From terrytoolman at gmail.com Tue Aug 3 15:42:51 2010 From: terrytoolman at gmail.com (TERRY MORRIS) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 14:42:51 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Sold my Tiger today. Message-ID: Sold my Tiger (B382002178) today, sad to see her go but looking forward to a new project. I gave the new owner the address for this list, told him how helpful you guys are even if your a lurker. Thanks for all the good advise from the list over the years. Thanks Terry Morris From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Aug 3 15:46:25 2010 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 22:46:25 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Motor Mount Source In-Reply-To: <3e9d9.79a3f5ae.3989e51a@aol.com> References: <3e9d9.79a3f5ae.3989e51a@aol.com> Message-ID: I use the ones from rick. is there a problem with them? On Tuesday, August 3, 2010, wrote: > Mine from NAPA were labeled China. I'm pretty sure the ones I ordered from > the Mustang dealer were TRW's and they were from China. I think the only > good ones are cross bolted. They sell for $100+. Anything in the $20-$50 > range are going to be China made and not cross bolted. I drilled an bolted > mine. > M > > > In a message dated 8/3/2010 5:26:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > tkparker1941 at gmail.com writes: > > Mark, > > The ones I bought from NAPA were labeled 82220 & 82221 The implication (Not > the same as "fact") was they were from the same supplier TRW uses. As to > the > accuracy, they fit, the thickness seemed to be the same, not that I knew > enough to look closely. No guarantees from me!, just my personal > experience. > > > Tom > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:49 PM, wrote: > >> * >> >> >> It's easy to find them, but harder to find some that are decent. Most are >> coming from China. I tried a few sets including some from NAPA. One > set >> was off by 1/2" in thickness. With another set the mounting bolts were > off >> by 3/4'. I ended up with a set that was close....off in thickness by >> 1/16". I used a metal shim to match them up. >> Mark >> * >> >> In a message dated 8/3/2010 4:40:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> tkparker1941 at gmail.com writes: >> >> NAPA carries them. Early Mustang V8. Also NPD. >> >> Tom >> >> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Joel Martin wrote: >> >> > Does anyone have a source for the TRW motor mounts? >> > >> > The TRW numbers are >> > 82220 for the left and 82221 for the right. >> > Thanks >> > martjr >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Tigers at autox.team.net >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com From mcdangerous at verizon.net Tue Aug 3 16:00:58 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 18:00:58 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Motor Mount Source In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Are you guys talking about the mounts that bolt to the engine, or the brackets that mount to the body? Thanks. M On 8/3/10 5:46 PM, "Owain Lloyd" wrote: > I use the ones from rick. is there a problem with them? > > On Tuesday, August 3, 2010, wrote: >> Mine from NAPA were labeled China. I'm pretty sure the ones I ordered from >> the Mustang dealer were TRW's and they were from China. I think the only >> good ones are cross bolted. They sell for $100+. Anything in the $20-$50 >> range are going to be China made and not cross bolted. I drilled an > bolted >> mine. >> M >> >> >> In a message dated 8/3/2010 5:26:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> tkparker1941 at gmail.com writes: >> >> Mark, >> >> The ones I bought from NAPA were labeled 82220 & 82221 The implication > (Not >> the same as "fact") was they were from the same supplier TRW uses. As to >> the >> accuracy, they fit, the thickness seemed to be the same, not that I knew >> enough to look closely. No guarantees from me!, just my personal >> experience. >> >> >> Tom >> >> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:49 PM, wrote: >> >>> * >>> >>> >>> It's easy to find them, but harder to find some that are decent. Most are >>> coming from China. I tried a few sets including some from NAPA. One >> set >>> was off by 1/2" in thickness. With another set the mounting bolts were >> off >>> by 3/4'. I ended up with a set that was close....off in thickness by >>> 1/16". I used a metal shim to match them up. >>> Mark >>> * >>> >>> In a message dated 8/3/2010 4:40:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>> tkparker1941 at gmail.com writes: >>> >>> NAPA carries them. Early Mustang V8. Also NPD. >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Joel Martin wrote: >>> >>>> Does anyone have a source for the TRW motor mounts? >>>> >>>> The TRW numbers are >>>> 82220 for the left and 82221 for the right. >>>> Thanks >>>> martjr >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Tigers at autox.team.net >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tigers at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net From arado7 at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 3 16:03:04 2010 From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 15:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Wind Diverter behind the seats---does it work in a Tiger? In-Reply-To: <493500BB6E994626A93A38821C65F5E5@JIMPC> Message-ID: <902118.79121.qm@web82702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I use one on my Crossfire roadster and it works. I Gary B9472283 --- On Tue, 8/3/10, Jim wrote: From: Jim Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wind Diverter behind the seats---does it work in a Tiger? To: CoolVT at aol.com, mai65tai at sonic.net, tigers at autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 9:00 PM Hi John There are several MGBs, a TR7 and a few others in our English car club that have installed them, most have been homemade out of plexi and brackets fabricated. They ALL swear by them... I'm thinking of putting it on my to-do list for next winter. I think it would be easy to fasten it to the roll bar but all that I have seen have been installed vertical and no roll bar on the car. Jim Gislason B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: August 3, 2010 1:51 PM To: mai65tai at sonic.net; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wind Diverter behind the seats---does it work in a Tiger? John, I saw one advertised somewhere for MG's. Maybe someone in that group can tell how well they work and if they can be converted for use on a Tiger. I've wondered the same thing for a few years and never acted on it. Mark In a message dated 8/3/2010 4:40:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mai65tai at sonic.net writes: I would like to hear from anyone that has tried installing a wind diverter behind the seats in a Tiger to reduce the wind turbulence win the car when the top is off. It seems to help with the smaller roadsters like the Z4, Miata. Anyone ever tried it in a Tiger?---what were the results? Seems like it would be pretty easy to do, putting it between the seats and the roll-bar---but---why try to build a car with square wheels if we know they don't work? John _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/arado7 at sbcglobal.net From CoolVT at aol.com Tue Aug 3 16:05:49 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 18:05:49 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Motor Mount Source Message-ID: <40a62.1771bfd1.3989ecbd@aol.com> To the engine. In a message dated 8/3/2010 6:03:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mcdangerous at verizon.net writes: Are you guys talking about the mounts that bolt to the engine, or the brackets that mount to the body? Thanks. M On 8/3/10 5:46 PM, "Owain Lloyd" wrote: > I use the ones from rick. is there a problem with them? > > On Tuesday, August 3, 2010, wrote: >> Mine from NAPA were labeled China. I'm pretty sure the ones I ordered from >> the Mustang dealer were TRW's and they were from China. I think the only >> good ones are cross bolted. They sell for $100+. Anything in the $20-$50 >> range are going to be China made and not cross bolted. I drilled an > bolted >> mine. >> M >> >> >> In a message dated 8/3/2010 5:26:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> tkparker1941 at gmail.com writes: >> >> Mark, >> >> The ones I bought from NAPA were labeled 82220 & 82221 The implication > (Not >> the same as "fact") was they were from the same supplier TRW uses. As to >> the >> accuracy, they fit, the thickness seemed to be the same, not that I knew >> enough to look closely. No guarantees from me!, just my personal >> experience. >> >> >> Tom >> >> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:49 PM, wrote: >> >>> * >>> >>> >>> It's easy to find them, but harder to find some that are decent. Most are >>> coming from China. I tried a few sets including some from NAPA. One >> set >>> was off by 1/2" in thickness. With another set the mounting bolts were >> off >>> by 3/4'. I ended up with a set that was close....off in thickness by >>> 1/16". I used a metal shim to match them up. >>> Mark >>> * >>> >>> In a message dated 8/3/2010 4:40:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>> tkparker1941 at gmail.com writes: >>> >>> NAPA carries them. Early Mustang V8. Also NPD. >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Joel Martin wrote: >>> >>>> Does anyone have a source for the TRW motor mounts? >>>> >>>> The TRW numbers are >>>> 82220 for the left and 82221 for the right. >>>> Thanks >>>> martjr >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Tigers at autox.team.net >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tigers at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Aug 3 16:15:31 2010 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 23:15:31 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Motor Mount Source In-Reply-To: <40a62.1771bfd1.3989ecbd@aol.com> References: <40a62.1771bfd1.3989ecbd@aol.com> Message-ID: yes the rubber mounts. the brackets are to find and at least one is tiger specific I think. someone made nice non stock looking repros of them recently. On Tuesday, August 3, 2010, wrote: > > > > > > To the engine. > > > In a message dated 8/3/2010 6:03:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > mcdangerous at verizon.net writes: > Are you > guys talking about the mounts that bolt to the engine, or the > brackets that > mount to the body? Thanks. M > > > On 8/3/10 5:46 PM, "Owain > Lloyd" wrote: > >> I use the ones from > rick. is there a problem with them? >> >> On Tuesday, August > 3, 2010, wrote: >>> Mine from NAPA were > labeled China. I'm pretty sure the ones I ordered from >>> the > Mustang dealer were TRW's and they were from China. I think the > only >>> good ones are cross bolted. They sell for $100+. > Anything in the $20-$50 >>> range are going to be China made and > not cross bolted. I drilled an >> bolted >>> > mine. >>> M >>> >>> >>> In a message dated > 8/3/2010 5:26:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>> > tkparker1941 at gmail.com writes: >>> >>> Mark, >>> > >>> The ones I bought from NAPA were labeled 82220 & 82221 > The implication >> (Not >>> the same as "fact") was they were > from the same supplier TRW uses. As to >>> the >>> > accuracy, they fit, the thickness seemed to be the same, not that I > knew >>> enough to look closely. No guarantees from me!, just my > personal >>> experience. >>> >>> >>> > Tom >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:49 PM, > wrote: >>> >>>> * >>>> > >>>> >>>> It's easy to find them, but harder to > find some that are decent. Most are >>>> coming from > China. I tried a few sets including some from NAPA. > One >>> set >>>> was off by 1/2" in thickness. With another > set the mounting bolts were >>> off >>>> by > 3/4'. I ended up with a set that was close....off in thickness > by >>>> 1/16". I used a metal shim to match them > up. >>>> Mark >>>> * >>>> > >>>> In a message dated 8/3/2010 4:40:02 P.M. Eastern > Daylight Time, >>>> tkparker1941 at gmail.com > writes: >>>> >>>> NAPA carries them. Early Mustang V8. > Also NPD. >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Joel Martin > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Does > anyone have a source for the TRW motor mounts? >>>>> > >>>>> The TRW numbers are >>>>> 82220 for > the left and 82221 for the right. >>>>> > Thanks >>>>> martjr >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > Tigers at autox.team.net >>>>> Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>>> Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive >>>>> Forums: > http://www.team.net/forums >>>>> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >>>>> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Tigers at autox.team.net >>>> Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: > http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: > From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Aug 3 18:00:42 2010 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 01:00:42 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] 260 pistons Message-ID: on uk ebay: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220647459895 From allanballard at att.net Tue Aug 3 18:33:31 2010 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 20:33:31 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Motor Mount Source In-Reply-To: References: <3bbc7.1fb5ec3d.3989dad6@aol.com> Message-ID: <08312CFC-3FAB-4A0C-8818-D129A0558C2F@att.net> 1964 Falcon 260 mounts work. On Aug 3, 2010, at 5:26 PM, Tom Parker wrote: > Mark, > > The ones I bought from NAPA were labeled 82220 & 82221 The implication (Not > the same as "fact") was they were from the same supplier TRW uses. As to the > accuracy, they fit, the thickness seemed to be the same, not that I knew > enough to look closely. No guarantees from me!, just my personal experience. > > > Tom > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:49 PM, wrote: > >> * >> >> >> It's easy to find them, but harder to find some that are decent. Most are >> coming from China. I tried a few sets including some from NAPA. One set >> was off by 1/2" in thickness. With another set the mounting bolts were off >> by 3/4'. I ended up with a set that was close....off in thickness by >> 1/16". I used a metal shim to match them up. >> Mark >> * >> >> In a message dated 8/3/2010 4:40:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> tkparker1941 at gmail.com writes: >> >> NAPA carries them. Early Mustang V8. Also NPD. >> >> Tom >> >> On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Joel Martin wrote: >> >>> Does anyone have a source for the TRW motor mounts? >>> >>> The TRW numbers are >>> 82220 for the left and 82221 for the right. >>> Thanks >>> martjr >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tigers at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net From mcdangerous at verizon.net Tue Aug 3 18:52:20 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 20:52:20 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Welding broken original manifold? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have a question for anyone with experience in welding or having cast iron parts welded. Some guy sold me a set of original Tiger exhaust manifolds and one of them (the right one, of course) had a crack in the flange where the stud to the down pipe goes. To make things worse, the guy also ground down the area for unknown reasons, removing about 2 to 3 mm of material, which further weakened the area. Now you could guess that the flange broke off when I tried to tighten the down pipe to the manifold -- and you'd be right. Ugh. Since I'm not at all interested in communicating further with this particular seller because he seems unreasonable to me, I've decided to focus my energies in investigating whether such a carbon-soaked part could ever be welded successfully (considering about 40 years of hard use). Does anyone have a positive experience in repairing one of these old manifolds? Does anyone know someone who'd do it (in the States)? I'd rather try to have that done than toss the thing into the trash bin and buy another one. Yeah, this was and is all a big waste of money, but it's worth a shot if only to try to prevent an original Tiger part from being trashed. Please let me know what you think. Thanks. M From rab65tiger at aol.com Tue Aug 3 19:37:41 2010 From: rab65tiger at aol.com (rab65tiger at aol.com) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 21:37:41 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] MK II alternator Bracket In-Reply-To: <406765.62886.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CD018CC398C118-3F64-7287@Webmail-d123.sysops.aol.com> http://www.reisentzrestorations.com/ Resientz restorations under there parts header has a bracket derived from the mkII bracket for sale with a picture. RB From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Tue Aug 3 19:59:43 2010 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo)) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 20:59:43 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] The Next Cobra?? Message-ID: <222F26F5B73744F5BEE3841273A04164@jerry> List, I was just at our monthly Mustang meeting, and one of the guys had watched an episode of My Classic Car last Sunday, he said Dennis Gage made the comment that he thought the Tiger was going to be the "next Cobra". Well, wouldn't that be nice?? I don't know when that episode was taped; it could have been an old show. The price for original Cobras is so far out there that he thought the Tiger would become more desirable and valuable. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Tue Aug 3 20:10:30 2010 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo)) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 21:10:30 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Welding broken original manifold? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24CD4091C116430BA2595CFCD32265B4@jerry> To answer your question, yes, cast iron can be welded. Just ask around to see who knows HOW to do it in your area. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Would U. Believe Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 7:52 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Welding broken original manifold? I have a question for anyone with experience in welding or having cast iron parts welded. Some guy sold me a set of original Tiger exhaust manifolds and one of them (the right one, of course) had a crack in the flange where the stud to the down pipe goes. To make things worse, the guy also ground down the area for unknown reasons, removing about 2 to 3 mm of material, which further weakened the area. Now you could guess that the flange broke off when I tried to tighten the down pipe to the manifold -- and you'd be right. Ugh. Since I'm not at all interested in communicating further with this particular seller because he seems unreasonable to me, I've decided to focus my energies in investigating whether such a carbon-soaked part could ever be welded successfully (considering about 40 years of hard use). Does anyone have a positive experience in repairing one of these old manifolds? Does anyone know someone who'd do it (in the States)? I'd rather try to have that done than toss the thing into the trash bin and buy another one. Yeah, this was and is all a big waste of money, but it's worth a shot if only to try to prevent an original Tiger part from being trashed. Please let me know what you think. Thanks. M _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net From CoolVT at aol.com Tue Aug 3 20:14:15 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 22:14:15 EDT Subject: [Tigers] The Next Cobra?? Message-ID: <4e7b2.77c219be.398a26f7@aol.com> And the big problem with a real Cobra is that everyone asks, "Is it real?" There are thousands upon thousands of Cobras. My guess is there are many more "Cobras" than Tigers. Would you want to pay $1M for a car and two guys down the street have fakes that look just like yours? Another reason to weed out the Algers. Tigers are scarce in Vermont and at least half the time I stop for gas, someone walks over and make comments or ask questions about the car. But, no one has ever had to ask if it's real. M List, I was just at our monthly Mustang meeting, and one of the guys had watched an episode of My Classic Car last Sunday, he said Dennis Gage made the comment that he thought the Tiger was going to be the "next Cobra". Well, wouldn't that be nice?? I don't know when that episode was taped; it could have been an old show. The price for original Cobras is so far out there that he thought the Tiger would become more desirable and valuable. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Aug 3 20:31:05 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 22:31:05 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Welding broken original manifold? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: M You grind a V into the crack that is the first step before you weld it with cast iron rod. I had to weld up one of the ears on my manifold due to cracks. What you have can probably be welded. You will need a brass or copper substitute threaded like the bolt that goes there. Weld does not stick to brass or copper so it will maintain the threads. I believe I found a small brass pipe that I could cut the proper thread size on and threaded it into the hole then welded the crack. Your situation sounds like you will need to clamp the ear and brass somehow, weld a little, check the position, weld some more and so on. I think you should find someone with experience welding cast iron and get a hands on opinion in this case. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Would U. Believe Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:52 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Welding broken original manifold? I have a question for anyone with experience in welding or having cast iron parts welded. Some guy sold me a set of original Tiger exhaust manifolds and one of them (the right one, of course) had a crack in the flange where the stud to the down pipe goes. To make things worse, the guy also ground down the area for unknown reasons, removing about 2 to 3 mm of material, which further weakened the area. Now you could guess that the flange broke off when I tried to tighten the down pipe to the manifold -- and you'd be right. Ugh. Since I'm not at all interested in communicating further with this particular seller because he seems unreasonable to me, I've decided to focus my energies in investigating whether such a carbon-soaked part could ever be welded successfully (considering about 40 years of hard use). Does anyone have a positive experience in repairing one of these old manifolds? Does anyone know someone who'd do it (in the States)? I'd rather try to have that done than toss the thing into the trash bin and buy another one. Yeah, this was and is all a big waste of money, but it's worth a shot if only to try to prevent an original Tiger part from being trashed. Please let me know what you think. Thanks. M _______________________________________________ From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Tue Aug 3 20:35:09 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 22:35:09 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] The Next Cobra?? In-Reply-To: <222F26F5B73744F5BEE3841273A04164@jerry> References: <222F26F5B73744F5BEE3841273A04164@jerry> Message-ID: The "Cobra" is still in production at the Shelby facility. That's not to say it's the same car as the original, but what's the original? http://www.shelbyautos.com/vehicles/Cobra.asp Present day kit cars... Factory Five comes to mind... are far superior in handling than the original Cobras, from what I've read. I have to admit I'm sore tempted to build one once the Kitty is done. So in terms of the brand, it's reasonable to claim the Tiger is much rarer than the (now mundane) Cobra. I'm not planning on selling mine any time soon. Tom On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 9:59 PM, Jerry & Maureen (Mo) < JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net> wrote: > List, > > > > I was just at our monthly Mustang meeting, and one of the guys had watched > an episode of My Classic Car last Sunday, he said Dennis Gage made the > comment that he thought the Tiger was going to be the "next Cobra". Well, > wouldn't that be nice?? I don't know when that episode was taped; it > could > have been an old show. The price for original Cobras is so far out there > that he thought the Tiger would become more desirable and valuable. > > > > Jerry Christopherson > > 9473187 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Aug 3 20:37:59 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:37:59 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] The Next Cobra?? In-Reply-To: <4e7b2.77c219be.398a26f7@aol.com> References: <4e7b2.77c219be.398a26f7@aol.com> Message-ID: I guess with the Tiger we get "is it an MG?" or "is it a triumph"... if you are in the know.. "is it a REAL tiger?" As for next cobra.. i figure the shelby breathed on Mustangs are that.. but we all nkow how much better a Tiger is :-P On 4 August 2010 12:14, wrote: > And the big problem with a real Cobra is that everyone asks, "Is it > real?" There are thousands upon thousands of Cobras. My guess is there > are > many more "Cobras" than Tigers. Would you want to pay $1M for a car and > two > guys down the street have fakes that look just like yours? Another reason > to weed out the Algers. > > Tigers are scarce in Vermont and at least half the time I stop for gas, > someone walks over and make comments or ask questions about the car. But, > no > one has ever had to ask if it's real. > M > > > List, > > > > I was just at our monthly Mustang meeting, and one of the guys had watched > an episode of My Classic Car last Sunday, he said Dennis Gage made the > comment that he thought the Tiger was going to be the "next Cobra". > Well, > wouldn't that be nice?? I don't know when that episode was taped; it > could > have been an old show. The price for original Cobras is so far out there > that he thought the Tiger would become more desirable and valuable. > > > > Jerry Christopherson > > 9473187 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 3 21:01:01 2010 From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 20:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Weed out ALGERS? Message-ID: <783714.87529.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> So now you want to weed out Algers? Why because they look better or are faster or more options added than your "Tiger"? Better WEED OUT Alpines too...cant have too many runing around looking like yours........... Proud Alger Owner in Florida From e.coiner at cox.net Tue Aug 3 21:38:51 2010 From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 20:38:51 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Wind Diverter behind the seats---does it work in a Tiger? In-Reply-To: <003001cb334c$210be5b0$6323b110$@net> Message-ID: <20100803233851.EG087.297159.imail@fed1rmwml38> Yes I made one. It does do the job. on a cool day it can be quite comfortable with the side windows up. I have a roll bar I mounted it to the forward side of the bars. I used 1/4 inch thick Plexiglass. I bolted a 3/4 inch leg Al angle to the bottom edge for stiffness. The sheet is attached to the roll bar with a combination of velcro strips glued to the front of the bar and the plexi and some velcro straps. I left a gap about 4 inches between the package shelf and the bottom of the diverter. At speed you can feel air blowing through the gap. There are a couple of downsides to my set up. 1. I am 6 feet tall and I have the drivers seat all the way back. The top of the seat back rubs on the diverter and it wore a hole through the vinyl. 2. With the diverter in place, if you put the soft top up you cannot reach back to postion the soft top boot ( I have a Mk1a) Same would go for the solid doors on a Mk1. 3. The diverter is too wide to fit in the trunk so once you install it has to stay on. If I had it to do over I would make it in two pieces with a couple of hinges so it would fold up and fit in the trunk, when you want to put the top up. Erich ---- John Stithem wrote: > I would like to hear from anyone that has tried installing a wind diverter > behind the seats in a Tiger to reduce the wind turbulence win the car when > the top is off. It seems to help with the smaller roadsters like the Z4, > Miata. Anyone ever tried it in a Tiger?---what were the results? Seems like > it would be pretty easy to do, putting it between the seats and the > roll-bar---but---why try to build a car with square wheels if we know they > don't work? > > John > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner at cox.net From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 3 22:01:19 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 21:01:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] The Next Cobra?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <83515.33091.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mike- I dont follow-why do you want to weed out Algers? Now I can understand an Alger with a Tiger VIN tag attached being pointed out to one and all as that isnt right but as long as the orginal Alpine Vin tag is on the car, I have no problems with an Alger. I rather see an Alpine w/ a Ford drive train as one with a bow tie engine stuck thru the firewall from a Tiger. Just curious. TtT --- On Tue, 8/3/10, michael king wrote: From: michael king Subject: Re: [Tigers] The Next Cobra?? To: CoolVT at aol.com Cc: TIGERS at autox.team.net, JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 9:37 PM I guess with the Tiger we get "is it an MG?" or "is it a triumph"... if you are in the know.. "is it a REAL tiger?" As for next cobra.. i figure the shelby breathed on Mustangs are that.. but we all nkow how much better a Tiger is :-P On 4 August 2010 12:14, wrote: > And the big problem with a real Cobra is that everyone asks, "Is it > real?" There are thousands upon thousands of Cobras. My guess is there > are > many more "Cobras" than Tigers. Would you want to pay $1M for a car and > two > guys down the street have fakes that look just like yours? Another reason > to weed out the Algers. > > Tigers are scarce in Vermont and at least half the time I stop for gas, > someone walks over and make comments or ask questions about the car. But, > no > one has ever had to ask if it's real. > M > > > List, > > > > I was just at our monthly Mustang meeting, and one of the guys had watched > an episode of My Classic Car last Sunday, he said Dennis Gage made the > comment that he thought the Tiger was going to be the "next Cobra". > Well, > wouldn't that be nice?? I don't know when that episode was taped; it > could > have been an old show. The price for original Cobras is so far out there > that he thought the Tiger would become more desirable and valuable. > > > > Jerry Christopherson > > 9473187 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Aug 3 22:22:30 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:22:30 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Weed out ALGERS? In-Reply-To: <783714.87529.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <783714.87529.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mike, I responded to this comment to tony.. not weeding out algers.. no problem with them if they are represented for what they are.. was a reference to "is it a real one" On 4 August 2010 13:01, mike schreiner wrote: > So now you want to weed out Algers? Why because they look better or are > faster or more options added than your "Tiger"? Better WEED OUT Alpines > too...cant have too many runing around looking like yours........... > Proud Alger Owner in Florida > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From v8tracker at gmail.com Tue Aug 3 22:24:38 2010 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 23:24:38 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] The Next Cobra?? In-Reply-To: References: <222F26F5B73744F5BEE3841273A04164@jerry> Message-ID: Tom, et al, As I understand it, one of the key differences between the originals and the current Shelby "Cobras" is that there are no engines in the current crop. Shelby can modify existing automobiles, but can no longer build and sell running, driving Cobras. A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom Parker > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:35 PM > To: Jerry & Maureen (Mo) > Cc: TIGERS at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] The Next Cobra?? > > The "Cobra" is still in production at the Shelby facility. > That's not to say it's the same car as the original, but > what's the original? > http://www.shelbyautos.com/vehicles/Cobra.asp > > Present day kit cars... Factory Five comes to mind... are far > superior in handling than the original Cobras, from what I've > read. I have to admit I'm sore tempted to build one once the > Kitty is done. > > So in terms of the brand, it's reasonable to claim the Tiger > is much rarer than the (now mundane) Cobra. I'm not planning > on selling mine any time soon. > > Tom > > On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 9:59 PM, Jerry & Maureen (Mo) < > JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net> wrote: > > > List, > > > > > > > > I was just at our monthly Mustang meeting, and one of the guys had > > watched an episode of My Classic Car last Sunday, he said > Dennis Gage > > made the comment that he thought the Tiger was going to be > the "next Cobra". Well, > > wouldn't that be nice?? I don't know when that episode > was taped; it > > could > > have been an old show. The price for original Cobras is so far out > > there that he thought the Tiger would become more desirable > and valuable. > > > > > > > > Jerry Christopherson > > > > 9473187 > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker at gmail.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3047 - Release > Date: 08/03/10 01:35:00 From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Aug 3 22:21:20 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:21:20 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] The Next Cobra?? In-Reply-To: <83515.33091.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <83515.33091.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Tony.. it was in refernce to people askling "is it a real one?" with cobras.. just saying we have fake tigers too.. was more tounge in cheek.. no problem with things represented for what they are. On 4 August 2010 14:01, Tony Somebody wrote: > Mike- I dont follow-why do you want to weed out Algers? Now I can > understand an Alger with a Tiger VIN tag attached being pointed out to one > and all as that isnt right but as long as the orginal Alpine Vin tag is on > the car, I have no problems with an Alger. I rather see an Alpine w/ a Ford > drive train as one with a bow tie engine stuck thru the firewall from a > Tiger. > Just curious. > TtT > > --- On *Tue, 8/3/10, michael king * wrote: > > > From: michael king > Subject: Re: [Tigers] The Next Cobra?? > To: CoolVT at aol.com > Cc: TIGERS at autox.team.net, JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net > Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 9:37 PM > > I guess with the Tiger we get "is it an MG?" or "is it a triumph"... if > you > are in the know.. "is it a REAL tiger?" > > As for next cobra.. i figure the shelby breathed on Mustangs are that.. but > we all nkow how much better a Tiger is :-P > > On 4 August 2010 12:14, > > wrote: > > > And the big problem with a real Cobra is that everyone asks, "Is it > > real?" There are thousands upon thousands of Cobras. My guess is there > > are > > many more "Cobras" than Tigers. Would you want to pay $1M for a car and > > two > > guys down the street have fakes that look just like yours? Another > reason > > to weed out the Algers. > > > > Tigers are scarce in Vermont and at least half the time I stop for gas, > > someone walks over and make comments or ask questions about the car. > But, > > no > > one has ever had to ask if it's real. > > M > > > > > > List, > > > > > > > > I was just at our monthly Mustang meeting, and one of the guys had > watched > > an episode of My Classic Car last Sunday, he said Dennis Gage made the > > comment that he thought the Tiger was going to be the "next Cobra". > > Well, > > wouldn't that be nice?? I don't know when that episode was taped; it > > could > > have been an old show. The price for original Cobras is so far out > there > > that he thought the Tiger would become more desirable and valuable. > > > > > > > > Jerry Christopherson > > > > 9473187 > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > > > > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com > > > -- Regards Michael King From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 3 22:50:39 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 21:50:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Welding broken original manifold? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <515375.83502.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That seller was me TtT and I sanded the rust off the bottom of the manifold- I did take the corner off BUT it didn't weaken anything and since we are using american measurements on cars that do not use metric tools or bolts, why not say the amount in decimals or fractions, as I'm to dumb to understand 2 or 3 mm and the crack was not in the manifold when I shipped it- I will be in W.Va. the weekend of Oct 15- how far are you from the state line off I-64?. You started bitching I had ruined the manifold because I sanded metal off the bottom- hell the place I sanded doesn't even touch anything and its very strange you say the crack was there but you never mentioned that. You say you didn't do it when tightening a stud to tight- well I insured the hell out of the set, so either you did it or the post office did- anyone interested, I have the pics he sent me. If anyone had sent me the manifold I wouldn't have worried about the corner of the flat sanded off, but I would have returned it if it was cracked as it would have been obvious it wouldn't hold up. By the way, you weld cast with nickle rod. Low hydrogen can be used but only if nickel isn't available, it needs preheated and a REAL welder should weld it up as he will tack it, let it cool, weld a little, let it cool etc etc, So don't refer to the guy who sold it to you, refer to TonytheTiger as I have nothing to hide from. I may be a bit dumb for selling the best set I had for $50 and paying for half the shipping- that was pretty dumb. One set on epay is at almost $200 and that was last night- I believe I win the dumb ass award BUT Sandy just gave me some parts and another TE/AE guy gave me a deal on some 5.0 parts for one of these days, so I must have been in the giving mood. Now I'm in a real pissy mood and it seems to be getting worse. Does this only happen to me or does everyone experience this kind of thing? I dig thru boxes on the top shelf on an old rickety step ladder that I was afraid I was going to go crashing to the ground on,in a hot ass garage, dug out 3 sets of exhaust manifolds, found the best set- sanded the rust off, used kroil oil and a tap on the hole that didn't have a stud already installed, payed almost $4 for a roll of shipping tape, buy bags with air and gather up Styrofoam, go to UPS and get a price, then to the post office and get a cheaper price, pay for half the shipping, wait on getting paid because the guy doesn't like using paypal, so when I ask if he is going to pay the check arrives the next day- embarrassed again and then I catch hell for removing metal when I sanded the rust off and he is right, I had new glasses on, so I removed them and used safety glasses and I'm pretty blind, and I did take the corner off- I was using the 100 grit sanding disc Ive usd to sharpened the blades on my grasshopper for the last 3 years- it isn't anywhere near 100 grit now but it will still sharpen blades and remove the corner of a Tiger exhaust manifold. Again, it touches nothing and IF it bothers you, have the welder put a pass on and grind it back flat and square- he will laugh at you if you tell him its because you feel the manifold is weakened in anyway BUT he may still do it. Well I said I was done with this and I hope I am, I'm almost out of Valium. TtT From mcdangerous at verizon.net Wed Aug 4 04:51:59 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 06:51:59 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Weed out ALGERS? In-Reply-To: <783714.87529.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mike, I think he was just making a harmless parallel with the Cobra in that it's possible mistake a copy for the real thing. In the case of the Tiger, it's possible for inexperienced and naove buyers to pay Tiger money for modified Alpines, which can make the prospect of buying a Tiger seem risky, which can then increase the fear factor, which can potentially harm the value of the real thing. I believe risk is always offset by paying more for a service (like insurance), or less for a product. I think the solution (if one were really needed) is the TAC program. If one has a genuine Tiger, s/he should get the car authenticated and documented. There were not that many Tigers made, and even fewer have survived, so it seems feasible to me that most if not all Tigers could be documented. This would make it less likely for an unscrupulous seller to take advantage of a naove buyer by claiming an Alger is a genuine Tiger and having the buyer believe him. The TAC registry, if it were more widely known to the "masses", would remove most of the need for detailed buyer knowledge, which would remove much of the risk and fear factor. This is nothing new, though. I have a spare Porsche 911 engine that I'm considering dropping into a Porsche 914 chassis, for example. This car, no matter what, will never be a rare and expensive 914/6. It will always be a dime-a-dozen 914. Unless... If I sell it for plain-Jane upgraded 914 money to someone down the road who then flips it, claiming it to be a true 914/6... The bottom line is that I think the key to protecting values of genuine articles is always proper documentation. Porsche offers authentication documentation for owners, not too different than Norm's Tiger registry. On 8/3/10 11:01 PM, "mike schreiner" wrote: > So now you want to weed out Algers? Why because they look better or are > faster or more options added than your "Tiger"? Better WEED OUT Alpines > too...cant have too many runing around looking like yours........... > Proud Alger Owner in Florida > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Aug 4 05:57:03 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 07:57:03 EDT Subject: [Tigers] The Next Cobra?? Message-ID: <9b913.35e3c25e.398aaf8f@aol.com> My definition of an Alger is a "fake" tiger. A hopped up Alpine is an Alpine. If someone is truthful in what they have, then I have no problem. M In a message dated 8/4/2010 12:01:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, achd73 at yahoo.com writes: Mike- I dont follow-why do you want to weed out Algers? Now I can understand an Alger with a Tiger VIN tag attached being pointed out to one and all as that isnt right but as long as the orginal Alpine Vin tag is on the car, I have no problems with an Alger. I rather see an Alpine w/ a Ford drive train as one with a bow tie engine stuck thru the firewall from a Tiger. Just curious. TtT --- On Tue, 8/3/10, michael king wrote: From: michael king Subject: Re: [Tigers] The Next Cobra?? To: CoolVT at aol.com Cc: TIGERS at autox.team.net, JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 9:37 PM I guess with the Tiger we get "is it an MG?" or "is it a triumph"... if you are in the know.. "is it a REAL tiger?" As for next cobra.. i figure the shelby breathed on Mustangs are that.. but we all nkow how much better a Tiger is :-P On 4 August 2010 12:14, <_CoolVT at aol.com_ (http://us.mc304.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=CoolVT at aol.com) > wrote: > And the big problem with a real Cobra is that everyone asks, "Is it > real?" There are thousands upon thousands of Cobras. My guess is there > are > many more "Cobras" than Tigers. Would you want to pay $1M for a car and > two > guys down the street have fakes that look just like yours? Another reason > to weed out the Algers. > > Tigers are scarce in Vermont and at least half the time I stop for gas, > someone walks over and make comments or ask questions about the car. But, > no > one has ever had to ask if it's real. > M > > > List, > > > > I was just at our monthly Mustang meeting, and one of the guys had watched > an episode of My Classic Car last Sunday, he said Dennis Gage made the > comment that he thought the Tiger was going to be the "next Cobra". > Well, > wouldn't that be nice?? I don't know when that episode was taped; it > could > have been an old show. The price for original Cobras is so far out there > that he thought the Tiger would become more desirable and valuable. > > > > Jerry Christopherson > > 9473187 > _______________________________________________ > _Tigers at autox.team.net_ (http://us.mc304.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Tigers at autox.team.net) > Donate: _http://www.team.net/donate.html_ (http://www.team.net/donate.html) > Archive: _http://www.team.net/archive_ (http://www.team.net/archive) > Forums: _http://www.team.net/forums_ (http://www.team.net/forums) > Unsubscribe/Manage: > _http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com_ (http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com) > _______________________________________________ > _Tigers at autox.team.net_ (http://us.mc304.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Tigers at autox.team.net) > Donate: _http://www.team.net/donate.html_ (http://www.team.net/donate.html) > Archive: _http://www.team.net/archive_ (http://www.team.net/archive) > Forums: _http://www.team.net/forums_ (http://www.team.net/forums) > Unsubscribe/Manage: > _http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com_ (http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com) > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ _Tigers at autox.team.net_ (http://us.mc304.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Tigers at autox.team.net) Donate: _http://www.team.net/donate.html_ (http://www.team.net/donate.html) Archive: _http://www.team.net/archive_ (http://www.team.net/archive) Forums: _http://www.team.net/forums_ (http://www.team.net/forums) Unsubscribe/Manage: _http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com_ (http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com) From rande at thecia.net Wed Aug 4 06:04:23 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 08:04:23 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 'the new Cobra' Message-ID: <4c595747.fc1.0@thecia.net> Hi, Frankly, Jerry, just let us know when the Cobra becomes the next Tiger, because only then will I be able to afford something I've wanted for 45 years, a leaf spring Cobra Series 2. As for someone walking up to us at a petrol station, and asking if the Tiger is a real one, that is a bit of compliment, because they would have to have learned enough about what a Tiger is, and that there are fakes. My problem with Algers is three-fold. There's the honesty(not owning up) factor, there's the 'it's not a real Tiger' factor, and finally, someone changed over a perfectly nice Alpine IV or V, which are gradually climbing in value on their own and are pretty neat cars as they stand. I feel the same way about the 'continuation' saga with Shelby and the 'found' sixties V.I.N. plates. I think the blame is one part Shelby, one part the motoring press, but to some people it managed to taint the reputation of two companies that otherwise have done good work. It's all about being completely upfront about what you have. From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Wed Aug 4 07:13:39 2010 From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 09:13:39 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Keeping cockpit cool Message-ID: <17a7d.19665f2f.398ac183@aol.com> I made the cooling modifications recommended in TE/AE's Rootes Review several years ago and had some insulating material added to the firewall and floors when I redid the interior. I also plugged several unused holes in the firewall. Engine temp went from 215 operating to 195 operating with a corresponding drop in cabin temperature. Fred Baum In a message dated 8/3/2010 4:35:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tkparker1941 at gmail.com writes: Allan, Through the tunnel, through the floor. Through the shifter hole. throuch every orifice. Rick sells plugs; so does British wiring. They're not expensive. Classic Motorsports used Thermo-Tec's "Cool-it"noise suppression / heat barrier; it's available from Summit. When I spoke to Tim at last year's Mitty he swore by it. so, today as luck would have it, I ordered some. If it's as good as he claimed I expect to be as cool as an old man can be. Tom From drmayf at mayfco.com Wed Aug 4 09:00:08 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 08:00:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] The Next Cobra?? In-Reply-To: <9b913.35e3c25e.398aaf8f@aol.com> References: <9b913.35e3c25e.398aaf8f@aol.com> Message-ID: <4C598078.5000905@mayfco.com> Now that's a definition I can agree on! I don't think I have ever run across another car that has adopted terminology of using split names to identify it when modified. This is one of the reasons the salt flats race car is simply listed as a Sunbeam. I tell everyone it is a Alpine. mayf CoolVT at aol.com wrote: >My definition of an Alger is a "fake" tiger. A hopped up Alpine is an >Alpine. If someone is truthful in what they have, then I have no problem. >M > > >In a message dated 8/4/2010 12:01:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >achd73 at yahoo.com writes: > >Mike- I dont follow-why do you want to weed out Algers? Now I can >understand an Alger with a Tiger VIN tag attached being pointed out to one and all >as that isnt right but as long as the orginal Alpine Vin tag is on the car, >I have no problems with an Alger. I rather see an Alpine w/ a Ford drive >train as one with a bow tie engine stuck thru the firewall from a Tiger. > Just curious. >TtT From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Aug 4 09:12:47 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 11:12:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Keeping cockpit cool In-Reply-To: <17a7d.19665f2f.398ac183@aol.com> Message-ID: <9AE8A85C522E445DB721E5102F6DD1F7@ronpc1> There is a big furnace in front of the driver and radiant pipes under the floorboards; all contribute to the cabin temperature. The more HP you have the more heat you can generate. The biggest problem with the Tiger is getting the heat out not staying warm like many other British cars. To totally address this issue you need to look at the whole system. Insulate, insulate and insulate to reduce the heat. Spray on Lizard Skin product is one way to go; there are others that will help repel some of the heat. I added some 3/8" insulating pad under the carpet and that did a very good job of lowering the heat but the whole floor pan needs insulation to really keep the heat out of the cabin. Have you ever watch the program OVERHAULING with Chip Foose? Everyone of the vehicles has the interior lined with DynoMat or a similar product for sound deadening and heat reduction. Once you insulate the cabin then you add A/C to keep your cool like several Tiger Owners. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 9:14 AM To: tkparker1941 at gmail.com; allanballard at att.net Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Keeping cockpit cool I made the cooling modifications recommended in TE/AE's Rootes Review several years ago and had some insulating material added to the firewall and floors when I redid the interior. I also plugged several unused holes in the firewall. Engine temp went from 215 operating to 195 operating with a corresponding drop in cabin temperature. Fred Baum In a message dated 8/3/2010 4:35:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tkparker1941 at gmail.com writes: Allan, Through the tunnel, through the floor. Through the shifter hole. throuch every orifice. Rick sells plugs; so does British wiring. They're not expensive. Classic Motorsports used Thermo-Tec's "Cool-it"noise suppression / heat barrier; it's available from Summit. When I spoke to Tim at last year's Mitty he swore by it. so, today as luck would have it, I ordered some. If it's as good as he claimed I expect to be as cool as an old man can be. Tom From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com Wed Aug 4 09:33:06 2010 From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:33:06 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] The Next Cobra?? In-Reply-To: <9b913.35e3c25e.398aaf8f@aol.com> References: <9b913.35e3c25e.398aaf8f@aol.com> Message-ID: <002001cb33ea$58102cd0$08308670$@com> I know you guys are just bantering...and thankfully no one is taking this too serious or getting offended. But you have stepped into my world again...proud owner of a real sunbeam Tiger, and a fake Cobra. Remember the motivation...I basically all but worshipped Shelby Cobras since I was old enough to know what they were...and that's about age....10. I dreamed of having one for 20 years and still dream about it, but now I have a replica, and I tell people that's what it is...and you can't mistake it for a real one...it handles great, doesn't get hot in the floor boards, and is a smoother ride....so you know its fake. Plus mine doesn't say "Shelby" anywhere on it....it does say cobra...but then again, I had a mustang Cobra for awhile from SVT, so there is nothing particularly sacred about that either. Remember that imitation is the finest form of flattery...that's not just a saying, it's true. I'm paying a compliment to Ole Shel and his cobras by having a fake one....I believe it with all my heart. I go to sleep at night reading about the Shelby American team drivers, the production, the development of the cars that made history and set the stage for our investments and interest today. Tigers, Daytona coupes, trans am racing....you name it, I love to know, so I'm not some kid that saw it in a mag or on TV and decided I wanted one but don't know what it is... I also have no less than 50 miniature versions in plastic and die cast sitting around my house....but I have a full scale version in the shop that makes noise. Im part of the worlds greatest fan club.... Like Mark said last I think, just represent it accurately...and you are fine in my book. I don't believe that Algers diminish the value of Tigers, I think they support the market for Tigers, making them more valuable. I don't see anywhere where replica cobras have sacrificed the value of real ones....unless you want to play "what it" and say that a real 427 big block SC would be worth 2 million instead of one million if replicas hadn't existed...and personally I don't buy it. My 2 cents on the same discussion.....again...but still fun to have. Cullen From jteepen at usatoday.com Wed Aug 4 09:52:02 2010 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 11:52:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Weed out ALGERS? In-Reply-To: References: <783714.87529.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: And there is a demand for Algers. In 2002 I sold my '67 "Tiger" for my asking price of $12,000. It had been on the market for four hours. I made a list of all of the components and where they were sourced, and made it abundantly clear the car was not a Tiger. It looked, sounded, and moved like a Tiger. The buyer also had (has) a CSX4000 Shelby Cobra and was aware of Tigers and the pitfalls of fake versus real. He appreciated the fact that the car was advertised as what it is, no pretenses. I occasionally saw the buyer for a few years after he bought the car and he once commented he enjoyed driving it as much as his Cobra. Good for him! Now back to preparations for Bonneville! -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Would U. Believe Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 3:52 AM To: mike schreiner; Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Weed out ALGERS? Mike, I think he was just making a harmless parallel with the Cobra in that it's possible mistake a copy for the real thing. In the case of the Tiger, it's possible for inexperienced and naove buyers to pay Tiger money for modified Alpines, which can make the prospect of buying a Tiger seem risky, which can then increase the fear factor, which can potentially harm the value of the real thing. I believe risk is always offset by paying more for a service (like insurance), or less for a product. I think the solution (if one were really needed) is the TAC program. If one has a genuine Tiger, s/he should get the car authenticated and documented. There were not that many Tigers made, and even fewer have survived, so it seems feasible to me that most if not all Tigers could be documented. This would make it less likely for an unscrupulous seller to take advantage of a naove buyer by claiming an Alger is a genuine Tiger and having the buyer believe him. The TAC registry, if it were more widely known to the "masses", would remove most of the need for detailed buyer knowledge, which would remove much of the risk and fear factor. This is nothing new, though. I have a spare Porsche 911 engine that I'm considering dropping into a Porsche 914 chassis, for example. This car, no matter what, will never be a rare and expensive 914/6. It will always be a dime-a-dozen 914. Unless... If I sell it for plain-Jane upgraded 914 money to someone down the road who then flips it, claiming it to be a true 914/6... The bottom line is that I think the key to protecting values of genuine articles is always proper documentation. Porsche offers authentication documentation for owners, not too different than Norm's Tiger registry. On 8/3/10 11:01 PM, "mike schreiner" wrote: > So now you want to weed out Algers? Why because they look better or are > faster or more options added than your "Tiger"? Better WEED OUT Alpines > too...cant have too many runing around looking like yours........... > Proud Alger Owner in Florida From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Aug 4 09:53:17 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 11:53:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Overflow Tube In-Reply-To: <969789.6538.qm@web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4F36FCF7DC724889AE4B50CECC2DCD3E@ronpc1> Joel Length = about 3.5" out of the radiator; not sure how much tube is inside the radiator; I guess at least 1/4" Diameter = 5/16" tube Angle looks a little short of 90, maybe 85 degrees @ about 1" out of the radiator The tube should be angled toward the overflow tank tube; also note that a somewhat shorter tube will give you a little more access to getting the rubber hose onto these metal tubes; a longer tube will make getting the hose on more difficult Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:40 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Overflow Tube What is the correct length, diameter and angle of the radiator overflow tube coming out the drivers' side top portion of the radiator for a 1966 MK1A? I will need to add this overflow tube when the radiator is repaired. Thanks martjr _______________________________________________ From jteepen at usatoday.com Wed Aug 4 10:06:02 2010 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:06:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] The Next Cobra?? In-Reply-To: <002001cb33ea$58102cd0$08308670$@com> References: <9b913.35e3c25e.398aaf8f@aol.com> <002001cb33ea$58102cd0$08308670$@com> Message-ID: I agree with your statement: "I don't believe that Algers diminish the value of Tigers, I think they support the market for Tigers, making them more valuable." Wholeheartedly. For a business it is location, location, location. For car values it is exposure, exposure, exposure. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 8:33 AM To: CoolVT at aol.com; achd73 at yahoo.com; michael.s.king at gmail.com Cc: TIGERS at autox.team.net; JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] The Next Cobra?? I know you guys are just bantering...and thankfully no one is taking this too serious or getting offended. But you have stepped into my world again...proud owner of a real sunbeam Tiger, and a fake Cobra. Remember the motivation...I basically all but worshipped Shelby Cobras since I was old enough to know what they were...and that's about age....10. I dreamed of having one for 20 years and still dream about it, but now I have a replica, and I tell people that's what it is...and you can't mistake it for a real one...it handles great, doesn't get hot in the floor boards, and is a smoother ride....so you know its fake. Plus mine doesn't say "Shelby" anywhere on it....it does say cobra...but then again, I had a mustang Cobra for awhile from SVT, so there is nothing particularly sacred about that either. Remember that imitation is the finest form of flattery...that's not just a saying, it's true. I'm paying a compliment to Ole Shel and his cobras by having a fake one....I believe it with all my heart. I go to sleep at night reading about the Shelby American team drivers, the production, the development of the cars that made history and set the stage for our investments and interest today. Tigers, Daytona coupes, trans am racing....you name it, I love to know, so I'm not some kid that saw it in a mag or on TV and decided I wanted one but don't know what it is... I also have no less than 50 miniature versions in plastic and die cast sitting around my house....but I have a full scale version in the shop that makes noise. Im part of the worlds greatest fan club.... Like Mark said last I think, just represent it accurately...and you are fine in my book. I don't believe that Algers diminish the value of Tigers, I think they support the market for Tigers, making them more valuable. I don't see anywhere where replica cobras have sacrificed the value of real ones....unless you want to play "what it" and say that a real 427 big block SC would be worth 2 million instead of one million if replicas hadn't existed...and personally I don't buy it. My 2 cents on the same discussion.....again...but still fun to have. Cullen From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Aug 4 10:11:59 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:11:59 EDT Subject: [Tigers] The Next Cobra?? Message-ID: In a message dated 8/4/2010 12:06:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jteepen at usatoday.com writes: For car values it is exposure, exposure, exposure Hmm, not so sure I agree with that theory. There are millions of used Hondas out there and I haven't seen their values skyrocketing. M From allanballard at att.net Wed Aug 4 10:28:21 2010 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:28:21 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] The Next Cobra?? In-Reply-To: References: <9b913.35e3c25e.398aaf8f@aol.com> <002001cb33ea$58102cd0$08308670$@com> Message-ID: <8B193BC4-FEF4-428E-9C7E-183A45E0BBBA@att.net> The only reason I had enough nerve to buy my Tiger is that it has been TAC'd. I am living proof that people who realize that they can be easily fooled will back away from a restoration-Tiger due to fear it might be fake, and mine is a gem as such cars go. I would support introduction of a TAC type plate for Algers, uniform and consistently located, and buyer beware of V8 Sunbeams (either Tigers or Algers)not examined by those who are most knowledgeable.. Allan Ballard On Aug 4, 2010, at 12:06 PM, Teepen, Jere wrote: > I agree with your statement: "I don't believe that Algers diminish the value > of Tigers, I think they > support the market for Tigers, making them more valuable." Wholeheartedly. > For a business it is location, location, location. For car values it is > exposure, exposure, exposure. > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Cullen McCann > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 8:33 AM > To: CoolVT at aol.com; achd73 at yahoo.com; michael.s.king at gmail.com > Cc: TIGERS at autox.team.net; JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] The Next Cobra?? > > I know you guys are just bantering...and thankfully no one is taking this > too serious or getting offended. But you have stepped into my world > again...proud owner of a real sunbeam Tiger, and a fake Cobra. Remember the > motivation...I basically all but worshipped Shelby Cobras since I was old > enough to know what they were...and that's about age....10. I dreamed of > having one for 20 years and still dream about it, but now I have a replica, > and I tell people that's what it is...and you can't mistake it for a real > one...it handles great, doesn't get hot in the floor boards, and is a > smoother ride....so you know its fake. Plus mine doesn't say "Shelby" > anywhere on it....it does say cobra...but then again, I had a mustang Cobra > for awhile from SVT, so there is nothing particularly sacred about that > either. > > Remember that imitation is the finest form of flattery...that's not just a > saying, it's true. I'm paying a compliment to Ole Shel and his cobras by > having a fake one....I believe it with all my heart. I go to sleep at night > reading about the Shelby American team drivers, the production, the > development of the cars that made history and set the stage for our > investments and interest today. Tigers, Daytona coupes, trans am > racing....you name it, I love to know, so I'm not some kid that saw it in a > mag or on TV and decided I wanted one but don't know what it is... I also > have no less than 50 miniature versions in plastic and die cast sitting > around my house....but I have a full scale version in the shop that makes > noise. Im part of the worlds greatest fan club.... > > Like Mark said last I think, just represent it accurately...and you are fine > in my book. > > I don't believe that Algers diminish the value of Tigers, I think they > support the market for Tigers, making them more valuable. I don't see > anywhere where replica cobras have sacrificed the value of real > ones....unless you want to play "what it" and say that a real 427 big block > SC would be worth 2 million instead of one million if replicas hadn't > existed...and personally I don't buy it. > > My 2 cents on the same discussion.....again...but still fun to have. > > Cullen > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net From jmartiniii at yahoo.com Wed Aug 4 11:06:15 2010 From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Overflow Tube In-Reply-To: <4F36FCF7DC724889AE4B50CECC2DCD3E@ronpc1> References: <4F36FCF7DC724889AE4B50CECC2DCD3E@ronpc1> Message-ID: <321322.67543.qm@web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron Excellent, as always thank you for the information. Joel ----- Original Message ---- From: Ron Fraser To: Joel Martin ; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, August 4, 2010 11:53:17 AM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Radiator Overflow Tube Joel Length = about 3.5" out of the radiator; not sure how much tube is inside the radiator; I guess at least 1/4" Diameter = 5/16" tube Angle looks a little short of 90, maybe 85 degrees @ about 1" out of the radiator The tube should be angled toward the overflow tank tube; also note that a somewhat shorter tube will give you a little more access to getting the rubber hose onto these metal tubes; a longer tube will make getting the hose on more difficult Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 1:40 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Overflow Tube What is the correct length, diameter and angle of the radiator overflow tube coming out the drivers' side top portion of the radiator for a 1966 MK1A? I will need to add this overflow tube when the radiator is repaired. Thanks martjr _______________________________________________ From mark at bradakis.com Wed Aug 4 19:56:52 2010 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 19:56:52 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Tigers] Server woes Message-ID: <20100805015652.E668C2E0D4@bradakis.com> Came home from work and found out there were issues, starting a bit after noon Utah time. Team.Net is now back on the air. I wonder how many "Is this thing on?" messages I'll have to delete over the next little while? mjb, the one who is obviously overpaid and underworked when it comes to Team.Net! From slaifman at socal.rr.com Wed Aug 4 13:50:17 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 12:50:17 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Keeping cockpit cool In-Reply-To: <9AE8A85C522E445DB721E5102F6DD1F7@ronpc1> References: <9AE8A85C522E445DB721E5102F6DD1F7@ronpc1> Message-ID: <4C59C479.2010203@socal.rr.com> Ron, I will second and third the use of DynoMat. I have covered the door interiors on the skin backside. Significant reduction in noise, and a nice "thunk" when the door is closed. Similar covering under the floor mats, and firewall backside. These panels are 12" square, and about 1/8 " thick rubber-like, with an aluminum foil face and an adhesive back. I purchased them at an automotive paint store. They are much better than a fiberglass mat in doing the job intended, and are an insignificant weight addition, Now, I close the door and it sounds like a Cadillac, the road noise and engine heat and noise are reduced a lot. Easy to use, with "tin-snips". Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com Ron Fraser wrote: > There is a big furnace in front of the driver and radiant pipes > under the floorboards; all contribute to the cabin temperature. The more > HP you have the more heat you can generate. The biggest problem with the > Tiger is getting the heat out not staying warm like many other British cars. > To totally address this issue you need to look at the whole system. > Insulate, insulate and insulate to reduce the heat. > > Spray on Lizard Skin product is one way to go; there are others that will > help repel some of the heat. > > I added some 3/8" insulating pad under the carpet and that did a > very good job of lowering the heat but the whole floor pan needs insulation > to really keep the heat out of the cabin. > > Have you ever watch the program OVERHAULING with Chip Foose? > Everyone of the vehicles has the interior lined with *DynoMat* or a similar > product for sound deadening and heat reduction. > > Once you insulate the cabin then you add A/C to keep your cool like several > Tiger Owners. > > Ron Fraser From slaifman at socal.rr.com Wed Aug 4 16:13:59 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 15:13:59 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Keeping cockpit cool - recommendation Message-ID: <4C59E627.5020607@socal.rr.com> Ron, I will second and third the use of DynoMat. I have covered the door interiors on the door skin backside. Significant reduction in noise, and a nice "thunk" when the door is closed. Similar covering under the floor mats, and firewall backside. These panels are 12" square, and about 1/8 " thick rubber-like, with an aluminum foil face and an adhesive back. I purchased them at an automotive paint store. They are much better than a fiberglass mat in doing the job intended, and are an insignificant weight addition, Now, I close the door and it sounds like a Cadillac, the road noise and engine heat and noise are reduced a lot. Easy to use, with "tin-snips". -- Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Wed Aug 4 13:34:19 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:34:19 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clock Message-ID: This is mainly a question for Steve Laifman, I think he's addressed it before; if anyone else knows please chip in: Steve, Which clock was used in the ' 67 Tiger 2? I know the diameter is 60 mm (@ 2 3/8") and the hands are orange, but I think I read you mentioned a difference in the numbers. I can't find the original post. Tom From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 4 15:47:05 2010 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Towing Question Message-ID: <27952.50874.qm@web82703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tiger Listers... Any of you guys have experience towing a Tiger a modest distance (in this case about 200 miles round trip) using a two-wheel "tow dolly" (the type you run the front wheels up on, put it in neutral and tow with rear wheels on the road)? Any notes of caution or concerns? Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Aug 4 22:00:57 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 14:00:57 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The MKII used the later model clock as per sunbeam alpine SV, this has the smaller numbers with the 9 and 3 vertical. its smiths part #CE3131/01 On 5 August 2010 05:34, Tom Parker wrote: > This is mainly a question for Steve Laifman, I think he's addressed it > before; if anyone else knows please chip in: > > Steve, > > Which clock was used in the ' 67 Tiger 2? I know the diameter is 60 mm (@ 2 > 3/8") and the hands are orange, but I think I read you mentioned a > difference in the numbers. I can't find the original post. > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Aug 4 22:07:24 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 14:07:24 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Towing Question In-Reply-To: <27952.50874.qm@web82703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <27952.50874.qm@web82703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: i havent towed a car.. but i hear its better to disconnect the drive shaft.. apparently not great having it all spin along even thought the careis in neutral On 5 August 2010 07:47, Bill Waite wrote: > Tiger Listers... > > Any of you guys have experience towing a Tiger a modest > distance (in this case > about 200 miles round trip) using a two-wheel "tow > dolly" (the type you run the > front wheels up on, put it in neutral and tow > with rear wheels on the road)? > Any notes of caution or concerns? > > Bill Waite > Grand Rapids, MI > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 4 22:52:06 2010 From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 21:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re: Towing Question Message-ID: <475116.42252.qm@web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 8/5/10, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:

From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Towing Question
To: "mike schreiner" <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 12:38 AM



On 5 August 2010 14:36, mike schreiner <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com> wrote:
I have used tow dollies with sunbeams...they tow great at 70....dont even know it is back there....but I always disconnect the driveshaft and tie it up to the car real good (so I dont loose tranny oil)  If you dont you can damage the mainshaft in the tranny as the oil is not level as the car is jacked up in the front...front tranny bearings can be starved of oil...mike

--- On Thu, 8/5/10, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Towing Question
> To: "Bill Waite" <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: "Tiger Talk List Tiger" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 12:07 AM
> i havent towed a car.. but i hear its
> better to disconnect the drive shaft..
> apparently not great having it all spin along even thought
> the careis in
> neutral
>
> On 5 August 2010 07:47, Bill Waite <fordlandia at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Tiger Listers...
> >
> > Any of you guys have experience towing a Tiger a
> modest
> > distance (in this case
> > about 200 miles round trip) using a two-wheel "tow
> > dolly" (the type you run the
> > front wheels up on, put it in neutral and tow
> > with rear wheels on the road)?
> > Any notes of caution or concerns?
> >
> > Bill Waite
> > Grand Rapids, MI
> From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com Wed Aug 4 23:21:10 2010 From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 22:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] TOW DOLLY Message-ID: <219758.62811.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> tHEY TOW VERY NICE....HAVE TOWED AtIGER AND aLPINES...CAN RUN 70MPH + AND YOU DONT EVEN KNOW IT IS BACK THERE....bUT, i ALWAYS UNHOOK THE DRIVESHAFT AND STRAP IT UP IN THE CAR (YOU WILL LOSE TRANNY OIL IF YOU PULL IT OUT) iF YOU DONT DO THAT IT WILL SPIN THE TRANNY MAINSHAFT AND STARVE THE FRONT BEARING AS THE CAR IS NOW TILTED AND THE OIL IS NOT LEVEL....MIKE OPPS CAPS KEY ON accidently From rande at thecia.net Thu Aug 5 07:23:35 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:23:35 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: <4c5abb57.2f52.0@thecia.net> 'Oh Gee...How about someone saved a rusted out hulk of a car from extinction....and if it was made an Alger it is a much better car ' I think you and I differ about what a much better car is. As I wrote, I prefer that an Alpine be restored back to its Alpine origins, and if one's car started out as Tiger, to bring it back as a Tiger. And, if rationally, the Tiger body that you're starting with is so far gone from corrosion, you'll just have to make the decision whether to do the expensive metal work, sell the Tiger for parts, or sell the Tiger whole to someone who can afford to do the work and buy another one in better shape that you can afford. This is solely my opinion. For all of the concern about what people think of folks who built Algers, our primary objection is to those who aren't up front about what they have, and you're NOT part of this target group. While some of us wouldn't have made the choice you did, none the less we're not getting on your case. You and us have spent too many years in the Tiger/Alpine hobby to let this be a devisive issue. The admonition I would issue is that as more newbies learn more about Tigers and Alpines, the TAC teams,, and availability of club members to inspect prospective purchases on their behalf, folks selling cars they're not completely honest about are in for a shock. Seller beware. From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com Thu Aug 5 07:37:12 2010 From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 08:37:12 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Bring a Trailer Message-ID: <002901cb34a3$5076fd00$f164f700$@com> My BaT daily newsletter found this..pretty clean car. Comments at the bottom of the page are complimentary of Tigers in general, and suggestive of increasing value.. Wheels on it are pretty bad.sorry if it belongs to anyone on the list, but I don't like your wheel choice.rest of the car is great! Cullen http://bringatrailer.com/2010/08/05/bat-exclusive-1966-sunbeam-tiger/#more- From dave at munroe.ca Thu Aug 5 08:06:12 2010 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 11:06:12 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] TOW DOLLY In-Reply-To: <219758.62811.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <219758.62811.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8B40796097594819B048A7C9AF24789F@DavePC> Not to contradict Mike's experience, but to lend a little perspective: I towed a friend's newly acquired MGC from Marblehead, Ma. to Halifax, Nova Scotia (850 miles) about 9 years back on a dolly, behind my GMC Safari van. It was a terrible experience. We drove down to Marblehead with the empty dolly loaded with 40 lb sandbags to give it some stability. On the I-95 anything over 60 mph would set the dolly into an increasing oscillation that threatened to flick us into the ditch. The only solution was to keep it around 55 mph, and when the swings started, slow down very gently. We did disconnect the driveshaft and plugged the hole in the tranny. With the car aboard, the dolly was more stable, but still resisted steady-state cruising over 60 mph. When least expected, it would start the oscillation dance. I wish we had had Mike's excellent adventure with the dolly, but alas, we won't be doing that again any time soon. BTW, it was a Budget Car and Truck Rentals dolly. Dave From: "mike schreiner" Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 2:21 AM Subject: [Tigers] TOW DOLLY > tHEY TOW VERY NICE....HAVE TOWED AtIGER AND aLPINES...CAN RUN 70MPH + AND > YOU DONT EVEN KNOW IT IS BACK THERE....bUT, i ALWAYS UNHOOK THE DRIVESHAFT > AND STRAP IT UP IN THE CAR (YOU WILL LOSE TRANNY OIL IF YOU PULL IT OUT) > iF YOU DONT DO THAT IT WILL SPIN THE TRANNY MAINSHAFT AND STARVE THE FRONT > BEARING AS THE CAR IS NOW TILTED AND THE OIL IS NOT LEVEL....MIKE OPPS > CAPS KEY ON accidently From Carmods at aol.com Thu Aug 5 08:10:40 2010 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 10:10:40 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Towing Question Message-ID: <10b86f.2f9d2255.398c2060@aol.com> _fordlandia at sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:fordlandia at sbcglobal.net) writes: Any of you guys have experience towing a Tiger a modest distance (in this case about 200 miles Hi Bill, I don't know about the Top Loader but I do know that theT-5 Five Speed has very limited lubrication to the roller bearings under the gears when in being towed in neutral. I would assume the Top Loader is similar. I would recommend removing the drive shaft at the differential and wiring it up to the chassis or inserting a plug on the output shaft if you are going to tow it more than 50 miles. John Logan From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Thu Aug 5 08:15:25 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 10:15:25 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <4c5abb57.2f52.0@thecia.net> References: <4c5abb57.2f52.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: I've owned my Tiger for almost thirty-five years, and before about 2000 I had no idea what I had, much less what an Alger was. The internet has changed everything; information once mostly hidden is now easy to find. Alpines are common compared to Tigers, and they are valued accordingly. I don't agree that it would be nice if all cars were restored to their original glory. Frankly, it isn't going to happen. Ever. Americans build hot rods. We always have, and the automotive industry is better for it. Some Rootes owners choose to re-engine their cars. Drmayf is a great example here; he campaigns an Alpine at Bonneville, and it surely doesn't have a 4 cylinder engine in it. Good for him, and good for the marque. So if someone wants to make a Hot Rod out of an Alpine, in my opinion, have at it. It's a fun car to drive, and a chalenge to work on. Algers are fairly valued - typically about half the price of a "real" Tiger; the difference isn't the workmanship, by the way, it's who did it - the factory or an individual builder. Nothing more. Let the purists fret over every but, bolt, and washer. Good for them, too. For me, I'm looking forward to just being able to drive the Kitty again. When it's sold all the original parts'll go with it... in boxes. Tom On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 9:23 AM, rande wrote: > 'Oh Gee...How about someone saved a rusted out hulk of a car from > extinction....and > if it was made an Alger it is a much better car ' > > I think you and I differ about what a much better car is. As I wrote, I > prefer > that an Alpine be restored back to its Alpine origins, and if one's car > started > out as Tiger, to bring it back as a Tiger. And, if rationally, the Tiger > body > that you're starting with is so far gone from corrosion, you'll just have > to > make the decision whether to do the expensive metal work, sell the Tiger > for > parts, or sell the Tiger whole to someone who can afford to do the work and > buy another one in better shape that you can afford. This is solely my > opinion. > > > For all of the concern about what people think of folks who built Algers, > our > primary objection is to those who aren't up front about what they have, and > you're NOT part of this target group. While some of us wouldn't have made > the > choice you did, none the less we're not getting on your case. You and us > have > spent too many years in the Tiger/Alpine hobby to let this be a devisive > issue. > > > The admonition I would issue is that as more newbies learn more about > Tigers > and Alpines, the TAC teams,, and availability of club members to inspect > prospective > purchases on their behalf, folks selling cars they're not completely honest > about are in for a shock. Seller beware. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 5 08:32:57 2010 From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 07:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Algers Message-ID: <641892.36511.qm@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> So you must then dissaprove of all those millions of hot rods that are show quality.......40 fords with chevy v8s and AC and the like.....I think they are great.....When there is a Sunbeam United, they have a class for Alpine V8......and the "clone" owners go there ( I prefer that term)......Remember that Rootes made the tigers from Alpine shells. and of course the prototypes were "Algers" ,,,I have owned three factory Tigers in the past....and have two nice and original Alpines now. The reason i built the "Clone" tiger is that with no money or job (hope and change) there is no way I can afford one...mike From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com Thu Aug 5 08:41:30 2010 From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 07:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tow Dolly Message-ID: <587622.2592.qm@web54303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I did have a problem once using a tow dolly....I towed my wire wheel Alpine to a meet in Charleston from Florida years ago. I was too lazy to take the driveshaft out so I towed the car backwards with the steering wheel tied straight. That is a big mistake with a wire wheel car. I was singing along at 75mph....at night....finally get to the hotel in charleston....rolled the window down in my tow vehicle as i pulled into the hotel parking lot and heard all kinds of crunching noised from the Alpine.....Upon inspection I realized one of the front wheels was coming loose and would have fallen off if I had gone another mile or two. The bearing (what was left of it ) was now heat welded to the spindle. The knock offs are treaded differently on each side of the car...the design keeps them tight with nmomentum when you drive.....and has the opposite effect if towed backwards....The car could not be fixed until I returned home (turned it around to tow home)...so it sat there broken during the whole united. mIKE From atwittsend at verizon.net Thu Aug 5 08:49:36 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 07:49:36 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Bring a Trailer References: <002901cb34a3$5076fd00$f164f700$@com> Message-ID: <176A8C26C4CB4B2FA07E0B92F3AB71F3@student2> Did anyone else notice the end of the ad? "The seller also has available a mint Book of Norman Vol. 1. for $850." I'm not sure if that is the going rate in this economy, or a good deal on a $1,500 book. My guess is that the book will probably be offered to the buyer first. But, you never know... . Tom From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Aug 5 09:14:40 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 08:14:40 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <4c5abb57.2f52.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: <4C5AD560.2000605@mayfco.com> Tom, yes, regards below. But, every year on the salt, I have a zillion folk wander by and want to call the car a Tiger. I politely inform them that, No, it is an old Alpine body that was on the trailer headed for the crusher when I bought it. I also tell them that I prefer to just call it a Sunbeam not referring to either Alpines or Tigers. The only badging on the car is the "SUNBEAM" on the trunk lid. I want all Sunbeam owners to be affiliated with the efforts and that is the main reason I call the car the "Spirit of Sunbeam". The front of my fire suit says "Team Beam" and on the back it says "Spirit of Sunbeam" . I wanted everyone who owns an Alpine or Tiger to be a part of the effort even though they may not be there. I am not sure what motivates folk to call thier cars Algers or anything else than what it is. A 32 ford roadster with a chevy motor in it is still a 32 ford roadster. Or a Mustang from circa 1965 with mods making it nearly identical to a Shelby GT350 is still a Mustang, just updated. As I mentioned once, I cannot recall (maybe bad old memory cells, lol) of any other car which has been modified to resemble a different model of the same manufacturer having a split name of the two different models. I don't think it is wrong for anyone to name their car an Alger, but, I do not understand why. But, I really don't care either. Tom, thanks for the mention and letting me hijack your thread, lol mayf Tom Parker wrote: >SNIP > > >Some Rootes owners choose to re-engine their cars. Drmayf is a great example >here; he campaigns an Alpine at Bonneville, and it surely doesn't have a 4 >cylinder engine in it. Good for him, and good for the marque. > >Snip From TMorton at bma1915.com Thu Aug 5 09:46:10 2010 From: TMorton at bma1915.com (Terry Morton) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 11:46:10 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Bring a Trailer In-Reply-To: <176A8C26C4CB4B2FA07E0B92F3AB71F3@student2> References: <002901cb34a3$5076fd00$f164f700$@com> <176A8C26C4CB4B2FA07E0B92F3AB71F3@student2> Message-ID: <3CB8B4340F95574EB94BC8370752ADA0011ECC92@bmadata1.bmi1915.priv> Maybe it's really an $850 Tiger with a $26,000 Book of Norman! Not a bad deal:-) Terry. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 10:50 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on Bring a Trailer Did anyone else notice the end of the ad? "The seller also has available a mint Book of Norman Vol. 1. for $850." I'm not sure if that is the going rate in this economy, or a good deal on a $1,500 book. My guess is that the book will probably be offered to the buyer first. But, you never know... . Tom _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tmorton at bma1915.com From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Aug 5 09:47:13 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 08:47:13 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Spirit of Sunbeam Salt Flats Plans Message-ID: <4C5ADD01.9090304@mayfco.com> Well, time for me to inform all those who follow the Spirit of Sunbeam in it's quest to be the worlds fastest Sunbeam. The current top speed for a flying mile is now at 186.192 mph. Changes have been made to the car for this years activies. Oh first, we will not be at Speed Week in August. That event has become a happening and costs have skyrocketed beyond our means. Last year, we paid 1300 bucks for one hotel room for 6 nights. Instead we are going to World of Speed in September: same hotel but costs for the entire stay is 249 dollars. Mods to the car have been few. I mentioned that I built a simulator so that the electronic engine management systems could be run in situ without running the engine. That showed that the missing rpm was not an electronic issue. The car now has a new ice water to air intercooler for the charge air coming from the turbo. The water tank for that holds about 13 or 14 gallons of a mix of ice and water. Last year at WOS, the fuel tank developed a serious leak. The tank was in front of the engine and close enough to exhaust parts to cause worry. That tank was replaced by one that now resides in the trunk. I hand built the fuel cell to fit there. It also holds about a gallon more fuel. The area where the front mounted tank was located is now where the intercooler hangs out. I also changed from a draw through mass air flow meter to a blow through. The blow through is roughly twice the flow capacity and it is the same diameter as teh new turbo to intercooler to motor duct work. The installation is much cleaner than before. After the electronics simulations told me that the electronics were not at fault for lack of rpm, I looked at the data a lot and concluded that the two chinese made waste gates were not working correctly. I borrowed a Turbonetics RaceGate and installed it in place of the two foreign made ones. Control plumbing is way simplified as well by that move. I also slowed down the steering by a factor of 1.5. A short wheel base is subect to twitchy hands on the steering wheel, lol. I also had a dyno day that was nearly disastrous. I had purchased a couple of used police cruiser V rated tires, supposedly good to 149 mph. Inspection showed them to be good. But, on teh first hard pull on the dyno, I literally destroyed one of them! At 164 mph. Enough data was gained though to show that the new mass air flow meter was pretty close. For those who may venture to Wendover, UT in Septmeber, the meet starts on the 14th and runs through the 18th. We will arrive there on the 13th just to park the trailer and get the car out. For any that do come to watch, you are all welcome in out pit, we'll have cold drinks during the day and after days work is done a beer or two. Oh, the car now has two firsts! It has become the world fastest Tweecer ( an engine tuning piece) as well as having the fastest Performance Automatic AOD transmission. Those two with a buck fifty might get me a cup of coffee, lol... Any questions, just send me an email and I will do my best to answer them. mayf Spirit of Sunbeam World's Fastest Sunbeam (wannabe) Not an Alpine, Not a Tiger, just a Sunbeam From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Aug 5 09:50:19 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 11:50:19 EDT Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: <523e.2e10799.398c37bb@aol.com> In a message dated 8/5/2010 11:44:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drmayf at mayfco.com writes: I cannot recall (maybe bad old memory cells, lol) of any other car which has been modified to resemble a different model of the same manufacturer having a split name of the two different models. How about Chevelle and Corvette..........Chevette. Of course it hasn't been modified or doesn't look like either;-) From mcdangerous at verizon.net Thu Aug 5 09:54:14 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (mcdangerous at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 10:54:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Bring a Trailer Message-ID: <1467633132.1078844.1281023654996.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net> Is the value of such a clean Mk1A Tiger really only $26k? That would make it really hard to justify putting any money into Tigers to restore them, considering what it costs to buy one, even when it needs restoration? Is this the true market value, or is it just a temporary dip thanks to the economy? That's a Mk1A, right? Shouldn't that make it a bit more attractive when compared to Mk1s? What's the outlook for values? What's the current value and outlook for Mk2s? If this is the level of Tiger values, then I don't even understand how anyone can consider putting money into an Alpine to create a Tiger clone, considering that someone said in another thread that clones are bringing 50% of Tiger values. None of this makes sense to me... Please let me know what you think re. Thanks. M Aug 5, 2010 08:58:56 AM, clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com wrote: My BaT daily newsletter found this..pretty clean car. Comments at the bottom of the page are complimentary of Tigers in general, and suggestive of increasing value.. Wheels on it are pretty bad.sorry if it belongs to anyone on the list, but I don't like your wheel choice.rest of the car is great! Cullen http://bringatrailer.com/2010/08/05/bat-exclusive-1966-sunbeam-tiger/#more- _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Aug 5 10:07:09 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 09:07:09 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <523e.2e10799.398c37bb@aol.com> References: <523e.2e10799.398c37bb@aol.com> Message-ID: <4C5AE1AD.8040104@mayfco.com> CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > ** > > In a message dated 8/5/2010 11:44:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > drmayf at mayfco.com writes: > > I cannot recall (maybe bad old memory cells, lol) > of any other car which has been modified to resemble a different > model > of the same manufacturer having a split name of the two different > models. > > ** > *How about Chevelle and Corvette..........Chevette. Of course it > hasn't been modified or doesn't look like either;-)* Sorry, doesn't qualify by the stated rule I made above. A checvelle was not made into a corvette by adding corvette junk to it. Now vice versa. Chevette was and entire new product line from the maker. Score 6 those for thinking, lol... mayf From s_ralsten at yahoo.com Thu Aug 5 10:12:14 2010 From: s_ralsten at yahoo.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <4C5AD560.2000605@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <758620.20215.qm@web120101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> snip> I don't think it is wrong for anyone to name their car an Alger, but, I do not understand why. But, I really don't care either. wrote: From: drmayf Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) To: "Tom Parker" Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 8:14 AM Tom, yes, regards below. But, every year on the salt, I have a zillion folk wander by and want to call the car a Tiger. I politely inform them that, No, it is an old Alpine body that was on the trailer headed for the crusher when I bought it. I also tell them that I prefer to just call it a Sunbeam not referring to either Alpines or Tigers. The only badging on the car is the "SUNBEAM" on the trunk lid. I want all Sunbeam owners to be affiliated with the efforts and that is the main reason I call the car the "Spirit of Sunbeam". The front of my fire suit says "Team Beam" and on the back it says "Spirit of Sunbeam" . I wanted everyone who owns an Alpine or Tiger to be a part of the effort even though they may not be there. I am not sure what motivates folk to call thier cars Algers or anything else than what it is. A 32 ford roadster with a chevy motor in it is still a 32 ford roadster. Or a Mustang from circa 1965 with mods making it nearly identical to a Shelby GT350 is still a Mustang, just updated. As I mentioned once, I cannot recall (maybe bad old memory cells, lol) of any other car which has been modified to resemble a different model of the same manufacturer having a split name of the two different models. I don't think it is wrong for anyone to name their car an Alger, but, I do not understand why. But, I really don't care either. Tom, thanks for the mention and letting me hijack your thread, lol mayf Tom Parker wrote: > SNIP > > Some Rootes owners choose to re-engine their cars. Drmayf is a great example > here; he campaigns an Alpine at Bonneville, and it surely doesn't have a 4 > cylinder engine in it. Good for him, and good for the marque. > > Snip From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Aug 5 10:14:32 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 12:14:32 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Spirit of Sunbeam Salt Flats Plans Message-ID: <7265.72c9d87d.398c3d68@aol.com> Curious Mayf, What have you calculated the h.p needs to be to get you to 200mph? In a message dated 8/5/2010 12:09:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drmayf at mayfco.com writes: Well, time for me to inform all those who follow the Spirit of Sunbeam in it's quest to be the worlds fastest Sunbeam. The current top speed for a flying mile is now at 186.192 mph. Changes have been made to the car for this years activies. Oh first, we will not be at Speed Week in August. That event has become a happening and costs have skyrocketed beyond our means. Last year, we paid 1300 bucks for one hotel room for 6 nights. Instead we are going to World of Speed in September: same hotel but costs for the entire stay is 249 dollars. Mods to the car have been few. I mentioned that I built a simulator so that the electronic engine management systems could be run in situ without running the engine. That showed that the missing rpm was not an electronic issue. The car now has a new ice water to air intercooler for the charge air coming from the turbo. The water tank for that holds about 13 or 14 gallons of a mix of ice and water. Last year at WOS, the fuel tank developed a serious leak. The tank was in front of the engine and close enough to exhaust parts to cause worry. That tank was replaced by one that now resides in the trunk. I hand built the fuel cell to fit there. It also holds about a gallon more fuel. The area where the front mounted tank was located is now where the intercooler hangs out. I also changed from a draw through mass air flow meter to a blow through. The blow through is roughly twice the flow capacity and it is the same diameter as teh new turbo to intercooler to motor duct work. The installation is much cleaner than before. After the electronics simulations told me that the electronics were not at fault for lack of rpm, I looked at the data a lot and concluded that the two chinese made waste gates were not working correctly. I borrowed a Turbonetics RaceGate and installed it in place of the two foreign made ones. Control plumbing is way simplified as well by that move. I also slowed down the steering by a factor of 1.5. A short wheel base is subect to twitchy hands on the steering wheel, lol. I also had a dyno day that was nearly disastrous. I had purchased a couple of used police cruiser V rated tires, supposedly good to 149 mph. Inspection showed them to be good. But, on teh first hard pull on the dyno, I literally destroyed one of them! At 164 mph. Enough data was gained though to show that the new mass air flow meter was pretty close. For those who may venture to Wendover, UT in Septmeber, the meet starts on the 14th and runs through the 18th. We will arrive there on the 13th just to park the trailer and get the car out. For any that do come to watch, you are all welcome in out pit, we'll have cold drinks during the day and after days work is done a beer or two. Oh, the car now has two firsts! It has become the world fastest Tweecer ( an engine tuning piece) as well as having the fastest Performance Automatic AOD transmission. Those two with a buck fifty might get me a cup of coffee, lol... Any questions, just send me an email and I will do my best to answer them. mayf Spirit of Sunbeam World's Fastest Sunbeam (wannabe) Not an Alpine, Not a Tiger, just a Sunbeam _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Aug 5 10:46:58 2010 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 11:46:58 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Bring a Trailer In-Reply-To: <1467633132.1078844.1281023654996.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net> References: <1467633132.1078844.1281023654996.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059675C9BB@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> It's not about the money. You either need a Tiger, or you don't. Having said that (in some jest, but that IS really what it's about), here are some opinions on the points you raised: - The 'value' of Mk1's vs. Mk1A's is probably in the other direction, if you ask anyone that does have a preference. Mk1A's (and Mk2's) were built with more of an eye to production cost compared to Mk1's, which is why they don't have round corners and leaded seams. - On the surface, $26k seems like a good deal for a clean, mostly-complete, running Tiger. There are probably a few things that need doing, and for the people that want them, the missing parts are going to cost some dough. If you go out to get a proper AC air cleaner and LAT70 wheels and new tires, then you'll be in for about $3k more. - Restoration is not a money making venture, at least not for the car owner, unless they are also the body shop and can get wholesale rates for everything. Buying the best chassis you can afford is always the key. Since it costs the same to do bodywork and get trim parts for an Alpine or a Tiger, you have to love your Alpine about twice as much to justify doing it from a dollars point of view. - As has been discussed, there are two kinds of Alpine V8 conversions. Those done by people who want Tiger performance without paying the premium to get a Tiger, and those done with intent to defraud a future buyer (which may or may not involve lifting the VIN plate and selected parts from a junked Tiger chassis). In either case, the cost of doing a complete body restoration with all new interior etc. can be far greater than the cost of the vehicle to start with especially if the car is very rough; however, a lot of people don't realize this at the outset and figure they can save a lot of money by starting with a chassis that cost them a few thousand less. - Tiger values and future outlook? Cars aren't stocks. Theo. > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of mcdangerous at verizon.net > Sent: August 5, 2010 9:54 AM > To: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com > Cc: TIGERS at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on Bring a Trailer > > Is the value of such a clean Mk1A Tiger really only $26k? That would > make it really hard to justify putting any money into Tigers to restore > them, considering what it costs to buy one, even when it needs > restoration? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. 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From laurin212 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 5 10:51:18 2010 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 12:51:18 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Bring a Trailer References: <1467633132.1078844.1281023654996.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <8C5369474DA140C1981336D213DE73C4@PETERHOME> re "That would make it really hard to justify putting any money into Tigers to restore them" most cars dont make economic sense to restore yourself and recover the value, unless its a rapidly appreciating car or high dollar so the relative cost of restoration costs incl labor are a much smaller portion of the value of the car, such as ferrari dinos, shelby's, etc. thats why they always say, "buy someone else's restoration"... i will have spent probably 60k on restoration of my mark 1a (i didnt have time to wrench on it myself given work schedule) on top of the 15k purchase price, (crazy when i think about it what i have into it, and like most things, i started out thinking i could do more work myself and spend a lot less, but thats another discussion) and im under no misconceptions that unless prices rise quickly for the next 5 years, regardless of how great the quality of the restoration, i will not get back what i put into the car for a long long time... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on Bring a Trailer > Is the value of such a clean Mk1A Tiger really only $26k? That would make > it really hard to justify putting any money into Tigers to restore them, > considering what it costs to buy one, even when it needs restoration? Is > this the true market value, or is it just a temporary dip thanks to the > economy? That's a Mk1A, right? Shouldn't that make it a bit more > attractive when compared to Mk1s? What's the outlook for values? What's > the current value and outlook for Mk2s? If this is the level of Tiger > values, then I don't even understand how anyone can consider putting money > into an Alpine to create a Tiger clone, considering that someone said in > another thread that clones are bringing 50% of Tiger values. None of this > makes sense to me... Please let me know what you think re. Thanks. M From jim at island.net Thu Aug 5 10:51:51 2010 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:51:51 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <758620.20215.qm@web120101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <4C5AD560.2000605@mayfco.com> <758620.20215.qm@web120101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: "modifying an Alpine to V6 or V8 is fine. The only argument is when they remove the Alpine script and replace with Tiger script and try to pass the car off as something different than a modified Alpine. I have always thought only those falsified cars get the Alger name distinction" Sadly ( I think ), I've seen several 'Alpine V8's' up here in Canada and every single one had 'Tiger' script displayed ... Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Ralsten Sent: August 5, 2010 9:12 AM To: Tom Parker; drmayf at mayfco.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) snip> I don't think it is wrong for anyone to name their car an Alger, but, I do not understand why. But, I really don't care either. wrote: From: drmayf Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) To: "Tom Parker" Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 8:14 AM Tom, yes, regards below. But, every year on the salt, I have a zillion folk wander by and want to call the car a Tiger. I politely inform them that, No, it is an old Alpine body that was on the trailer headed for the crusher when I bought it. I also tell them that I prefer to just call it a Sunbeam not referring to either Alpines or Tigers. The only badging on the car is the "SUNBEAM" on the trunk lid. I want all Sunbeam owners to be affiliated with the efforts and that is the main reason I call the car the "Spirit of Sunbeam". The front of my fire suit says "Team Beam" and on the back it says "Spirit of Sunbeam" . I wanted everyone who owns an Alpine or Tiger to be a part of the effort even though they may not be there. I am not sure what motivates folk to call thier cars Algers or anything else than what it is. A 32 ford roadster with a chevy motor in it is still a 32 ford roadster. Or a Mustang from circa 1965 with mods making it nearly identical to a Shelby GT350 is still a Mustang, just updated. As I mentioned once, I cannot recall (maybe bad old memory cells, lol) of any other car which has been modified to resemble a different model of the same manufacturer having a split name of the two different models. I don't think it is wrong for anyone to name their car an Alger, but, I do not understand why. But, I really don't care either. Tom, thanks for the mention and letting me hijack your thread, lol mayf Tom Parker wrote: > SNIP > > Some Rootes owners choose to re-engine their cars. Drmayf is a great example > here; he campaigns an Alpine at Bonneville, and it surely doesn't have a 4 > cylinder engine in it. Good for him, and good for the marque. > > Snip _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com Thu Aug 5 11:04:50 2010 From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 12:04:50 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <758620.20215.qm@web120101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <4C5AD560.2000605@mayfco.com> <758620.20215.qm@web120101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004d01cb34c0$5235bdd0$f6a13970$@com> Yeah..I agree, usually "Algers" is what others refer to as a fake Tiger.......but Mike Schreiner does...he has early during this conversation ..." Proud Alger Owner in Florida" and I noted it mentally and thought to myself, " that's cool"...he is doing exactly what I was saying is appropriate, IMO... I guess the first time I saw "Alger" coined was Norms site or on TBON, is that its birthplace? I mean it makes sense from a vocab standpoint... -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Ralsten Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:12 AM To: Tom Parker; drmayf at mayfco.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) snip> I don't think it is wrong for anyone to name their car an Alger, but, I do not understand why. But, I really don't care either. wrote: From: drmayf Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) To: "Tom Parker" Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 8:14 AM Tom, yes, regards below. But, every year on the salt, I have a zillion folk wander by and want to call the car a Tiger. I politely inform them that, No, it is an old Alpine body that was on the trailer headed for the crusher when I bought it. I also tell them that I prefer to just call it a Sunbeam not referring to either Alpines or Tigers. The only badging on the car is the "SUNBEAM" on the trunk lid. I want all Sunbeam owners to be affiliated with the efforts and that is the main reason I call the car the "Spirit of Sunbeam". The front of my fire suit says "Team Beam" and on the back it says "Spirit of Sunbeam" . I wanted everyone who owns an Alpine or Tiger to be a part of the effort even though they may not be there. I am not sure what motivates folk to call thier cars Algers or anything else than what it is. A 32 ford roadster with a chevy motor in it is still a 32 ford roadster. Or a Mustang from circa 1965 with mods making it nearly identical to a Shelby GT350 is still a Mustang, just updated. As I mentioned once, I cannot recall (maybe bad old memory cells, lol) of any other car which has been modified to resemble a different model of the same manufacturer having a split name of the two different models. I don't think it is wrong for anyone to name their car an Alger, but, I do not understand why. But, I really don't care either. Tom, thanks for the mention and letting me hijack your thread, lol mayf Tom Parker wrote: > SNIP > > Some Rootes owners choose to re-engine their cars. Drmayf is a great example > here; he campaigns an Alpine at Bonneville, and it surely doesn't have a 4 > cylinder engine in it. Good for him, and good for the marque. > > Snip _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com From atwittsend at verizon.net Thu Aug 5 11:10:42 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 10:10:42 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Bring a Trailer References: <1467633132.1078844.1281023654996.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: >>>Is the value of such a clean Mk1A Tiger really only $26k? That would >>>make it really hard to justify putting any money into Tigers to restore >>>them, ... Please let me know what you think<<< Well..., in 2000 I paid $3,500 ("use tax" rated) for my Tiger. It did require that I buy with it the replacement front clip, the hard top and $800 of unused parts from Sunbeam Specialties for an additional $1,600 ($5,100 total). I have replaced the front clip, all the lower sheet metal (including an inner sill) and removed just about every trace of rust. I've rebuilt the front suspension and added the Logan/Crawley improvements. I also rebuilt the rearend and its suspension. When I'm all done (should that day ever come - 10 years on jackstands) I'll have about $7,500 in the whole car with virtually everything rebuilt. So, "only" $26,000 or there about would be fabulous to me. But, as I have no intention of selling it in my lifetime "value" is just a number. In 2007 my house was worth about $700,000+. Today maybe $400,000-$450,000. It's all only on paper. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on Bring a Trailer > Is the value of such a clean Mk1A Tiger really only $26k? That would make > it really hard to justify putting any money into Tigers to restore them, > considering what it costs to buy one, even when it needs restoration? Is > this the true market value, or is it just a temporary dip thanks to the > economy? That's a Mk1A, right? Shouldn't that make it a bit more > attractive when compared to Mk1s? What's the outlook for values? What's > the current value and outlook for Mk2s? If this is the level of Tiger > values, then I don't even understand how anyone can consider putting money > into an Alpine to create a Tiger clone, considering that someone said in > another thread that clones are bringing 50% of Tiger values. None of this > makes sense to me... Please let me know what you think re. Thanks. M > > Aug 5, 2010 08:58:56 AM, clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com wrote: > > My BaT daily newsletter found this..pretty clean car. Comments at the > bottom > of the page are complimentary of Tigers in general, and suggestive of > increasing value.. > > > > Wheels on it are pretty bad.sorry if it belongs to anyone on the list, but > I > don't like your wheel choice.rest of the car is great! > > > > Cullen > > > > > > http://bringatrailer.com/2010/08/05/bat-exclusive-1966-sunbeam-tiger/#more- > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3052 - Release Date: 08/05/10 06:35:00 From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Aug 5 11:20:37 2010 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 12:20:37 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <4C5AD560.2000605@mayfco.com> References: <4c5abb57.2f52.0@thecia.net> <4C5AD560.2000605@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059675C9DC@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> What about Clevor engines? Sprites and Midgets are generally referred to collectively as Spridgets. - Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf > Sent: August 5, 2010 9:15 AM > To: Tom Parker > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) > > it nearly identical to a Shelby GT350 is still a Mustang, just updated. > As I mentioned once, I cannot recall (maybe bad old memory cells, lol) > of any other car which has been modified to resemble a different model > of the same manufacturer having a split name of the two different > models. I don't think it is wrong for anyone to name their car an > Alger, but, I do not understand why. But, I really don't care either. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From marcsmall at comcast.net Thu Aug 5 11:20:38 2010 From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 13:20:38 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hot Rodding In-Reply-To: References: <4C5AD560.2000605@mayfco.com> <758620.20215.qm@web120101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100805172019.F1598187647@autox.team.net> I am a red-blooded American boy, but I have not the slightest interest in hot rods of any sort. Stock is my interest whenever possible. Not to denigrate the interests of others, but just to correct an earlier statement that "every" American loves hot rods. This American does not. Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Aug 5 11:43:47 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 13:43:47 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Bring a Trailer Message-ID: I don't even understand how anyone can consider putting money into an Alpine to create a Tiger clone, considering that someone said in another thread that clones are bringing 50% of Tiger values. None of this makes sense to me... Please let me know what you think re. Thanks. M It makes sense if you pass it off as a Tiger:-) From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Aug 5 11:45:50 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 13:45:50 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Bring a Trailer Message-ID: Is the value of such a clean Mk1A Tiger really only $26k? That would make it really hard to justify putting any money into Tigers to restore them, considering what it costs to buy one, even when it needs restoration? I wouldn't restore a Tiger with the expectation of recovering all of your investment. It's much cheaper to buy one already restored. The restorer will be the one to take a financial beating. Mark From mcdangerous at verizon.net Thu Aug 5 12:10:11 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (mcdangerous at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 13:10:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: <1679467715.1560025.1281031811057.JavaMail.root@vms170003.mailsrvcs.net> But isn't that because (after the frog-eyed Sprite) all Austin Healey Sprites and MG Midgets were essentially the same car except for different badges and trim? I had a 1959 Frog-eyed (bug-eyed) Sprite at one time. I sold it to a journalist who took it to Barbados. Cool car. M Aug 5, 2010 12:57:15 PM, Theo.Smit at dynastream.com wrote: What about Clevor engines? Sprites and Midgets are generally referred to collectively as Spridgets. - Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf > Sent: August 5, 2010 9:15 AM > To: Tom Parker > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) > > it nearly identical to a Shelby GT350 is still a Mustang, just updated. > As I mentioned once, I cannot recall (maybe bad old memory cells, lol) > of any other car which has been modified to resemble a different model > of the same manufacturer having a split name of the two different > models. I don't think it is wrong for anyone to name their car an > Alger, but, I do not understand why. But, I really don't care either. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net From mcdangerous at verizon.net Thu Aug 5 12:15:00 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (mcdangerous at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 13:15:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Bring a Trailer Message-ID: <1963878366.1560210.1281032100523.JavaMail.root@vms170003.mailsrvcs.net> Any item is only worth what someone else is willing to pay for it. But I don't care what anyone tells me, everyone cares what their car is worth, or might be worth in the future, even if they have no intention of ever selling it. Aug 5, 2010 11:47:10 AM, Theo.Smit at dynastream.com wrote: It's not about the money. You either need a Tiger, or you don't. Having said that (in some jest, but that IS really what it's about), here are some opinions on the points you raised: - The 'value' of Mk1's vs. Mk1A's is probably in the other direction, if you ask anyone that does have a preference. Mk1A's (and Mk2's) were built with more of an eye to production cost compared to Mk1's, which is why they don't have round corners and leaded seams. - On the surface, $26k seems like a good deal for a clean, mostly-complete, running Tiger. There are probably a few things that need doing, and for the people that want them, the missing parts are going to cost some dough. If you go out to get a proper AC air cleaner and LAT70 wheels and new tires, then you'll be in for about $3k more. - Restoration is not a money making venture, at least not for the car owner, unless they are also the body shop and can get wholesale rates for everything. Buying the best chassis you can afford is always the key. Since it costs the same to do bodywork and get trim parts for an Alpine or a Tiger, you have to love your Alpine about twice as much to justify doing it from a dollars point of view. - As has been discussed, there are two kinds of Alpine V8 conversions. Those done by people who want Tiger performance without paying the premium to get a Tiger, and those done with intent to defraud a future buyer (which may or may not involve lifting the VIN plate and selected parts from a junked Tiger chassis). In either case, the cost of doing a complete body restoration with all new interior etc. can be far greater than the cost of the vehicle to start with especially if the car is very rough; however, a lot of people don't realize this at the outset and figure they can save a lot of money by starting with a chassis that cost them a few thousand less. - Tiger values and future outlook? Cars aren't stocks. Theo. > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of mcdangerous at verizon.net > Sent: August 5, 2010 9:54 AM > To: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com > Cc: TIGERS at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on Bring a Trailer > > Is the value of such a clean Mk1A Tiger really only $26k? That would > make it really hard to justify putting any money into Tigers to restore > them, considering what it costs to buy one, even when it needs > restoration? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From slaifman at socal.rr.com Thu Aug 5 13:01:17 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 12:01:17 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C5B0A7D.7060504@socal.rr.com> Tom, and Michael, Thanks for the vote of confidence, Tom. Now I "have" to answer the question. Michael is correct. There were many clock faces used by Smiths for Sunbeam Alpines and Tigers (all "dealer options). Bottom line: * The Sunbeam Tiger Mk I used Smiths CE 3030/00, which is in my car. The 3 and 9 are sideways, and the bottom timing adjust and time set are on the bottom sides, and the hands are red. Smiths CE 3030/00 Smiths CE 3131/01 In summary, The MkIA and MkII used Smiths CE 3131/01. The 3 and 9 are upright, and correct number for your car. Unfortunately, due to List space restrictions, only you and Michael King will get a directly sent version that does have the pictures. As an additional piece of information, these clocks were electric wind-up, and may not be working. Never fear, a solution is possible. A good instrument shop that deals in Smiths, can replace the mechanism with a quartz VDO guts in the original shell. The VDO movement is reported to be extremely accurate. Who knows, if mine fails, I'll have to consider this. Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com michael king wrote: > The MKII used the later model clock as per sunbeam alpine SV, this has the > smaller numbers with the 9 and 3 vertical. > > its smiths part #CE3131/01 > > On 5 August 2010 05:34, Tom Parker wrote: > > >> This is mainly a question for Steve Laifman, I think he's addressed it >> before; if anyone else knows please chip in: >> >> Steve, >> >> Which clock was used in the ' 67 Tiger 2? I know the diameter is 60 mm (@ 2 >> 3/8") and the hands are orange, but I think I read you mentioned a >> difference in the numbers. I can't find the original post. >> >> Tom >> _______________________________________________ From arado7 at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 5 13:14:36 2010 From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 12:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Bring a Trailer In-Reply-To: <1963878366.1560210.1281032100523.JavaMail.root@vms170003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <589644.79194.qm@web82702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 8/5/10, mcdangerous at verizon.net wrote: Aug 5, 2010 11:47:10 AM, Theo.Smit at dynastream.com wrote: - The 'value' of Mk1's vs. Mk1A's is probably in the other direction, if you ask anyone that does have a preference. Mk1A's (and Mk2's) were built with more of an eye to production cost compared to Mk1's, which is why they don't have round corners and leaded seams. - On the surface, $26k seems like a good deal for a clean, mostly-complete, running Tiger. There are probably a few things that need doing, and for the people that want them, the missing parts are going to cost some dough. If you go out to get a proper AC air cleaner and LAT70 wheels and new tires, then you'll be in for about $3k more. - Restoration is not a money making venture, at least not for the car owner, unless they are also the body shop and can get wholesale rates for everything. Buying the best chassis you can afford is always the key. Since it costs the same to do bodywork and get trim parts for an Alpine or a Tiger, you have to love your Alpine about twice as much to justify doing it from a dollars point of view. - Tiger values and future outlook? Cars aren't stocks. Theo. some are.. That is why I bought Crossfire SRT6 rdstr for 25k. They perform well on street and in money gain.Very small supply and demand is growing. Gary B9472283 > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of mcdangerous at verizon.net > Sent: August 5, 2010 9:54 AM > To: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com > Cc: TIGERS at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on Bring a Trailer > > Is the value of such a clean Mk1A Tiger really only $26k? That would > make it really hard to justify putting any money into Tigers to restore > them, considering what it costs to buy one, even when it needs > restoration? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/arado7 at sbcglobal.net From slaifman at socal.rr.com Thu Aug 5 13:25:33 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 12:25:33 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Algers In-Reply-To: References: <4c5abb57.2f52.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: <4C5B102D.7080407@socal.rr.com> Tom, I agree that a specified "Alger" is OK, and fun. However it's value is not the same as an original Tiger, and I have seen many Tigers that are either maintained or restored. Different strokes for different folks. As a "fer instance" look at the auction selling prices for the original cars and the "Tribute" cars commonly seen at Mecum Auctions on HD Theater cable channel. The answer is obvious, original gets the bucks. However, there are many folks who want to have a "homage" car to get the fun of the performance added. Unless the car is misrepresented on sale, you get the enjoyment you seek. If it is misrepresented, a law suit is likely. "Caveat Emptor" Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com Tom Parker wrote: > I've owned my Tiger for almost thirty-five years, and before about 2000 I > had no idea what I had, much less what an Alger was. The internet has > changed everything; information once mostly hidden is now easy to find. > > Alpines are common compared to Tigers, and they are valued accordingly. I > don't agree that it would be nice if all cars were restored to their > original glory. Frankly, it isn't going to happen. Ever. Americans build > hot rods. We always have, and the automotive industry is better for it. > > Some Rootes owners choose to re-engine their cars. Drmayf is a great example > here; he campaigns an Alpine at Bonneville, and it surely doesn't have a 4 > cylinder engine in it. Good for him, and good for the marque. > > So if someone wants to make a Hot Rod out of an Alpine, in my opinion, have > at it. It's a fun car to drive, and a chalenge to work on. Algers are fairly > valued - typically about half the price of a "real" Tiger; the difference > isn't the workmanship, by the way, it's who did it - the factory or an > individual builder. Nothing more. > > Let the purists fret over every but, bolt, and washer. Good for them, too. > For me, I'm looking forward to just being able to drive the Kitty again. > When it's sold all the original parts'll go with it... in boxes. > > Tom From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 5 13:29:08 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 12:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger marked Alpine and Tiger value In-Reply-To: <004d01cb34c0$5235bdd0$f6a13970$@com> Message-ID: <203347.16674.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I once found a Tiger in a shop close to me here in southern IL. I was waiting to talk to someone about an Alpine back against the fence row. The car had its hood up, had a Tiger VIN but had Alpine in place of Tiger on the outside, it was complete, including outside stainless. Everything I could find said it was a real Tiger. I had someone try to steal my Tiger in Cabondale, IL once (home of southern IL. university)- they had cut the wires on the ignition switch- glad they didn't know the easy way to start a Tiger or I would have had more problems than twisting some wires together to get home- I'm sure the kids that where standing around behind my date and I where the culprits but that was many years before video cameras. The Tiger marked Alpine was about 7 miles west of Carbondale and perhaps the Alpine chrome was to deter would be thieves. As for the 26 k for a Tiger, I think a Tiger in good to excellent condition can bring 30 easily. I'm curious what 1 part at a time would net a person on epay? IF you buy a rough Tiger and have Doug Jennings restore(prior to retirement) it, by the time you pay for his labor you will be knocking on over 20k and thats if the dipper didn't eat to many holes into the body/frame. Material is outrageous and paint must have gold blended into each gallon and there is still all the little things like brakes and steering, the front suspension needing rebuilt and on and on. Soon your investment is over the 26K mark and does a person ever stop finding new items to make improvements. I have a want list that goes over or close to 10K w/ me doing all the labor, except building the striker engine and I think I could do that if I had the blue prints from someone elses build card. TtT From slaifman at socal.rr.com Thu Aug 5 14:28:53 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 13:28:53 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Save your poop, and fuel your car! Message-ID: <4C5B1F05.3000602@socal.rr.com> Tigers, Just read in the LA Times that bio-scientists are using algae and e-coli bacteria to create a combined organism that creates diesel fuel. No oil required. Read it, and save your poop, and some algae from your fish tank. With a little lab work you can create your own diesel fuel !!!! Screw the Arabs oil blackmail. Read this LA Times article! http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-biofuels-20100805,0,7105447.story <;-) (But seriously, it does work at a laboratory basis now. On the other hand, BP may be hiring all the scientists!) Standard Oil has a simpler concept - hire some assassins - save money. Steve -- Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com From s_ralsten at yahoo.com Thu Aug 5 15:08:08 2010 From: s_ralsten at yahoo.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 14:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger marked Alpine and Tiger value In-Reply-To: <203347.16674.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <226146.46510.qm@web120119.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> >>>I once found a Tiger in a shop close to me here in southern IL. I was waiting to talk to someone about an Alpine back against the fence row. The car had its hood up, had a Tiger VIN but had Alpine in place of Tiger on the outside, it was complete, including outside stainless. Everything I could find said it was a real Tiger. <<<< It was probably an Alpine 260. Thats what my car is. It is a real Tiger in every way but was sold in either France or Germany where Rootes was not allowed use of the Tiger name. They are badged as Alpine 260 and if proper, carry Alpine script. The VIN would read LROFE rather than LRXFE. Alpine 260 was going to be the cars proper name but it was changed to Tiger at or right before the NY Autoshow debut. Cullen McCann also owns one. Currently 53 known to exist. http://www.sunbeamtiger.co.uk/catswhiskers/CW68alpine260.htm From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Aug 5 15:35:37 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 14:35:37 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Spirit of Sunbeam Salt Flats Plans In-Reply-To: <7265.72c9d87d.398c3d68@aol.com> References: <7265.72c9d87d.398c3d68@aol.com> Message-ID: <4C5B2EA9.40802@mayfco.com> About 550 hp. Been having boost issue apparently becaus erecorded boost is way low. Have been running up against aero wall with the power I have been making. Changed some of that this year so should make the power (said with fingers crossed). mayf CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > *Curious Mayf,* > *What have you calculated the h.p needs to be to get you to 200mph?* > > In a message dated 8/5/2010 12:09:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > drmayf at mayfco.com writes: > > Well, time for me to inform all those who follow the Spirit of > Sunbeam > in it's quest to be the worlds fastest Sunbeam. The current top > speed > for a flying mile is now at 186.192 mph. Changes have been made > to the > car for this years activies. Oh first, we will not be at Speed > Week in > August. That event has become a happening and costs have skyrocketed > beyond our means. Last year, we paid 1300 bucks for one hotel > room for > 6 nights. Instead we are going to World of Speed in September: same > hotel but costs for the entire stay is 249 dollars. Mods to the car > have been few. I mentioned that I built a simulator so that the > el > snip From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Thu Aug 5 16:33:02 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 18:33:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clock In-Reply-To: <4C5B0A7D.7060504@socal.rr.com> References: <4C5B0A7D.7060504@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Steve! I have a Mark 1 clock on the way to fill the hole in my new dash, and when I have the speedometer calibrated I'll ask Peter at Nisonger to convert it to quartz. I think he does that. There are "small number" clocks for sale in England, but the ones I saw have white hands. Maybe Peter can paint them... Again, the depth of knowledge on this site is amazing. Thanks to all. Tom On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Steve Laifman wrote: > Tom, and Michael, > > Thanks for the vote of confidence, Tom. Now I "have" to answer the > question. > > Michael is correct. > > There were many clock faces used by Smiths for Sunbeam Alpines and Tigers > (all "dealer options). Bottom line: > > - The Sunbeam Tiger Mk I used Smiths CE 3030/00, which is in my car. > The 3 and 9 are sideways, and the bottom timing adjust and time set are on > the bottom sides, and the hands are red. > > Smiths CE 3030/00 > > Smiths CE 3131/01 > > In summary, > > The MkIA and MkII used Smiths CE 3131/01. The 3 and 9 are upright, and > correct number for your car. > > Unfortunately, due to List space restrictions, only you and Michael King > will get a directly sent version that does have the pictures. > > As an additional piece of information, these clocks were electric wind-up, > and may not be working. Never fear, a solution is possible. A good > instrument shop that deals in Smiths, can replace the mechanism with a > quartz VDO guts in the original shell. The VDO movement is reported to be > extremely accurate. Who knows, if mine fails, I'll have to consider this. > > Steve Laifman > > Editor > > http://TigersUnited.com > > > michael king wrote: > > The MKII used the later model clock as per sunbeam alpine SV, this has the > smaller numbers with the 9 and 3 vertical. > > its smiths part #CE3131/01 > > On 5 August 2010 05:34, Tom Parker wrote: > > > > This is mainly a question for Steve Laifman, I think he's addressed it > before; if anyone else knows please chip in: > > Steve, > > Which clock was used in the ' 67 Tiger 2? I know the diameter is 60 mm (@ 2 > 3/8") and the hands are orange, but I think I read you mentioned a > difference in the numbers. I can't find the original post. > > Tom > _______________________________________________ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of CE_3030_00.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of CE_3131_01.jpg] From csx2282 at sonic.net Thu Aug 5 16:53:42 2010 From: csx2282 at sonic.net (csx2282) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 15:53:42 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Save your poop, and fuel your car! References: Message-ID: Or this simpler alternative http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-10884539 Roland > Tigers, > > Just read in the LA Times that bio-scientists are using algae and e-coli > bacteria to create a combined organism that creates diesel fuel. No oil > required. > > Read it, and save your poop, and some algae from your fish tank. With a > little lab work you can create your own diesel fuel !!!! > > Screw the Arabs oil blackmail. Read this LA Times article! > > http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-biofuels-20100805,0,7105447.story > > <;-) > > (But seriously, it does work at a laboratory basis now. On the other > hand, BP may be hiring all the scientists!) Standard Oil has a simpler > concept - hire some assassins - save money. > > Steve > > -- > > Steve Laifman > > Editor > > http://TigersUnited.com From dsmtjoy at cox.net Thu Aug 5 17:10:07 2010 From: dsmtjoy at cox.net (Mountjoy) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 16:10:07 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Alger References: Message-ID: Anyone know of Alger owners out there with a personalized license plate "ALGER" ? Just curious. Darrell From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Aug 5 17:29:47 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 09:29:47 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Bring a Trailer In-Reply-To: <1467633132.1078844.1281023654996.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net> References: <1467633132.1078844.1281023654996.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: On 6 August 2010 01:54, wrote: > Shouldn't that make it a bit more attractive when compared to Mk1s? > What's the outlook for values? What's the current value and outlook for > Mk2s? If this is the level of Tiger values, then I don't even understand > how anyone can consider putting money into an Alpine to create a Tiger > clone, considering that someone said in another thread that clones are > bringing 50% of Tiger values. None of this makes sense to me... Please let > me know what you think re. Thanks. M > Most of us are in this for fun.. not trying to make a $... its rare you ever see the money you put into your car back unless you are very lucky. The value difference between MKI's and IA's is not much.. and its just personal preference.. for me the early MKI's with leaded seams and hood boxes are about as nice a body as you get.. the cheaper MKIA style has some practicality but is not as classy (rootes chepened the car by leaving joints exposed, softtop bag is easier to use but not as elegant and the seat design on the MKI's was better looking and nicer.. but more expensive.. so out went the seperate cusion backrest) MKII's are worth more because of the raroty.. and only MKII's earlier cars with MKII items will not be worth more than a normal MKI .. and in theory.. less than a correct MKI as the real value always lies in a car with history or that is factory stock. Speculation is generally what ruins the market for real enthusiasts.. by this attitude ALL Tigers would be gone as they were very cheap beaters 20 years ago... and alpines cost about the same to restore as a Tiger yet will not yeild 50% of a Tiger value.. or even that of a clone, so by this logic people should just walk away from them. These are not about money,,, they are about enjoyment. -- Regards Michael King From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Aug 5 17:39:10 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 09:39:10 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Alger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I always wondered if someone would actually make an alger badge like on norms site.. would be cool. As for algers.. the guy i bought my Tiger off owns a race Tiger.. he also was in the process of building an alger after he sold me my car. He finshed it last year.. he said that after restoring the tiger he was to carefulw ith it and wasnt as much fun. He built the alger so he could modify it the way he wanted, and drive the heck out of it... I have seen the photos of the car.. looks great.. probably nicer than many tigers.. and he has left the alpine VIN and JAl on it.. and has the "alpine" scripts.. its a great car and would be a blast to own.. and he is not trying to fool anyone. On 6 August 2010 09:10, Mountjoy wrote: > Anyone know of Alger owners out there with a personalized license plate > "ALGER" ? Just curious. > Darrell > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Aug 5 18:03:33 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 20:03:33 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Bring a Trailer Message-ID: <29613.6dba1e40.398cab55@aol.com> Would we turn money over to FFG before we have a signed agreement with them? In a message dated 8/5/2010 7:42:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, michael.s.king at gmail.com writes: On 6 August 2010 01:54, wrote: > Shouldn't that make it a bit more attractive when compared to Mk1s? > What's the outlook for values? What's the current value and outlook for > Mk2s? If this is the level of Tiger values, then I don't even understand > how anyone can consider putting money into an Alpine to create a Tiger > clone, considering that someone said in another thread that clones are > bringing 50% of Tiger values. None of this makes sense to me... Please let > me know what you think re. Thanks. M > Most of us are in this for fun.. not trying to make a $... its rare you ever see the money you put into your car back unless you are very lucky. The value difference between MKI's and IA's is not much.. and its just personal preference.. for me the early MKI's with leaded seams and hood boxes are about as nice a body as you get.. the cheaper MKIA style has some practicality but is not as classy (rootes chepened the car by leaving joints exposed, softtop bag is easier to use but not as elegant and the seat design on the MKI's was better looking and nicer.. but more expensive.. so out went the seperate cusion backrest) MKII's are worth more because of the raroty.. and only MKII's earlier cars with MKII items will not be worth more than a normal MKI .. and in theory.. less than a correct MKI as the real value always lies in a car with history or that is factory stock. Speculation is generally what ruins the market for real enthusiasts.. by this attitude ALL Tigers would be gone as they were very cheap beaters 20 years ago... and alpines cost about the same to restore as a Tiger yet will not yeild 50% of a Tiger value.. or even that of a clone, so by this logic people should just walk away from them. These are not about money,,, they are about enjoyment. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From dsmtjoy at cox.net Thu Aug 5 18:18:18 2010 From: dsmtjoy at cox.net (Mountjoy) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 17:18:18 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Alger References: Message-ID: <5BF6C8C5200A478EA0596438F5239DF6@computer> Wouldn't that be cool ? I'd love to see that badge !! I wonder how much tooling would cost ? As for the guy you got your Tiger from, good for him ! Darrell ----- Original Message ----- From: michael king To: Mountjoy Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger I always wondered if someone would actually make an alger badge like on norms site.. would be cool. As for algers.. the guy i bought my Tiger off owns a race Tiger.. he also was in the process of building an alger after he sold me my car. He finshed it last year.. he said that after restoring the tiger he was to carefulw ith it and wasnt as much fun. He built the alger so he could modify it the way he wanted, and drive the heck out of it... I have seen the photos of the car.. looks great.. probably nicer than many tigers.. and he has left the alpine VIN and JAl on it.. and has the "alpine" scripts.. its a great car and would be a blast to own.. and he is not trying to fool anyone. On 6 August 2010 09:10, Mountjoy wrote: Anyone know of Alger owners out there with a personalized license plate "ALGER" ? Just curious. Darrell _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com -- Regards Michael King From s_ralsten at yahoo.com Thu Aug 5 18:27:32 2010 From: s_ralsten at yahoo.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 17:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Alger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <779669.31555.qm@web120102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> From: michael king Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger To: "Mountjoy" Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 4:39 PM I always wondered if someone would actually make an alger badge like on norms site.. would be cool. I'm sure Rick would get it made if anyone really wanted it. My Alpine 260 had fender badges but was missing the trunk badge. Rick got one made for me. Steve From slaifman at socal.rr.com Thu Aug 5 18:28:20 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 17:28:20 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger marked Alpine and Tiger value In-Reply-To: <203347.16674.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <203347.16674.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C5B5724.8080008@socal.rr.com> Tony, The name "Tiger" has copyright in Germany and France, So it was re-badged and sold as as an "Alpine 260" There also were South African assembled Tigers, with the Tiger name. Norm Miller provided the details in his TBON book. Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com Tony Somebody wrote: > I once found a Tiger in a shop close to me here in southern IL. I was waiting > to talk to someone about an Alpine back against the fence row. The car had its > hood up, had a Tiger VIN but had Alpine in place of Tiger on the outside, it > was complete, including outside stainless. Everything I could find said it was > a real Tiger. I had someone try to steal my Tiger in Cabondale, IL once (home > of southern IL. university)- they had cut the wires on the ignition switch- > glad they didn't know the easy way to start a Tiger or I would have had more > problems than twisting some wires together to get home- I'm sure the kids that > where standing around behind my date and I where the culprits but that was > many years before video cameras. The Tiger marked Alpine was about 7 miles > west of Carbondale and perhaps the Alpine chrome was to deter would be > thieves. As for the 26 k for a Tiger, I think a Tiger in good to excellent > condition can bring 30 easily. I'm curious what > 1 part at a time would net a person on epay? IF you buy a rough Tiger and > have Doug Jennings restore(prior to retirement) it, by the time you pay for > his labor you will be knocking on over 20k and thats if the dipper didn't eat > to many holes into the body/frame. Material is outrageous and paint must have > gold blended into each gallon and there is still all the little things like > brakes and steering, the front suspension needing rebuilt and on and on. Soon > your investment is over the 26K mark and does a person ever stop finding new > items to make improvements. I have a want list that goes over or close to 10K > w/ me doing all the labor, except building the striker engine and I think I > could do that if I had the blue prints from someone elses build card. > TtT > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/slaifman at socal.rr.com From dsmtjoy at cox.net Thu Aug 5 18:53:14 2010 From: dsmtjoy at cox.net (Mountjoy) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 17:53:14 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Alger References: <779669.31555.qm@web120102.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <715D1CDC33604D3FACD5FCC121BBE876@computer> Hmmm... I wonder if he would consider.... d. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ralsten To: Mountjoy ; michael king Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger From: michael king Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger To: "Mountjoy" Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 4:39 PM I always wondered if someone would actually make an alger badge like on norms site.. would be cool. I'm sure Rick would get it made if anyone really wanted it. My Alpine 260 had fender badges but was missing the trunk badge. Rick got one made for me. Steve From jteepen at usatoday.com Thu Aug 5 19:03:58 2010 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 21:03:58 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <4C5AE1AD.8040104@mayfco.com> References: <523e.2e10799.398c37bb@aol.com> <4C5AE1AD.8040104@mayfco.com> Message-ID: How about an AC Ace with a Ford V-8? Instant Cobra? -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 9:07 AM To: CoolVT at aol.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > ** > > In a message dated 8/5/2010 11:44:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > drmayf at mayfco.com writes: > > I cannot recall (maybe bad old memory cells, lol) > of any other car which has been modified to resemble a different > model > of the same manufacturer having a split name of the two different > models. > > ** > *How about Chevelle and Corvette..........Chevette. Of course it > hasn't been modified or doesn't look like either;-)* Sorry, doesn't qualify by the stated rule I made above. A checvelle was not made into a corvette by adding corvette junk to it. Now vice versa. Chevette was and entire new product line from the maker. Score 6 those for thinking, lol... mayf From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Aug 5 19:28:45 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 18:28:45 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <523e.2e10799.398c37bb@aol.com> <4C5AE1AD.8040104@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <4C5B654C.10505@mayfco.com> This one might qualify. Has it been done? Has anyone taken an AC ACE and installed all the items that make a Cobra a Cobra and called their new Car an AC Cobra? While this isn't teh same thing as two different cars made by the same company and then having parts from one added to the other and calling it an Alger. Close but not yet quite the same. mayf Teepen, Jere wrote: >How about an AC Ace with a Ford V-8? Instant Cobra? > >-----Original Message----- >From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf >Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 9:07 AM >To: CoolVT at aol.com >Cc: tigers at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) > >CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > > > >>** >> >>In a message dated 8/5/2010 11:44:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>drmayf at mayfco.com writes: >> >> I cannot recall (maybe bad old memory cells, lol) >> of any other car which has been modified to resemble a different >> model >> of the same manufacturer having a split name of the two different >> models. >> >>** >>*How about Chevelle and Corvette..........Chevette. Of course it >>hasn't been modified or doesn't look like either;-)* >> >> > >Sorry, doesn't qualify by the stated rule I made above. A checvelle was >not made into a corvette by adding corvette junk to it. Now vice versa. >Chevette was and entire new product line from the maker. Score 6 those >for thinking, lol... > >mayf From slaifman at socal.rr.com Thu Aug 5 19:41:43 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 18:41:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Save your poop, and fuel your car! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C5B6857.8010702@socal.rr.com> Roland, An interesting project, but not new. During WWII, with limited access to petroleum, the French and Germans were driving their cars with a cloth bag on top of the car, filling it with feces, and driving. As heard it, it was quite a bit smelly, but I wasn't there. /*" The researchers, at South San Francisco-based biotechnology company LS9 Inc., created their biological hydrocarbon factory using genes from water-dwelling blue-green **algae that naturally make tiny amounts of the fuel. They transplanted the **genes into E. coli and, with a few more genetic tweaks, adjusted the bug's metabolism so it churned out 100 times more fuel than the algae did." */* http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-biofuels-20100805,0,7105447.story* Sounds like the e-coli bacteria is an engineered strain, and not directly from excrement. Read the referenced extract. And NO, I am not converting my TIGER! Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com csx2282 wrote: > Or this simpler alternative http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-10884539 > > Roland > >> Tigers, >> >> Just read in the LA Times that bio-scientists are using algae and e-coli >> bacteria to create a combined organism that creates diesel fuel. No oil >> required. >> >> Read it, and save your poop, and some algae from your fish tank. With a >> little lab work you can create your own diesel fuel !!!! >> >> Screw the Arabs oil blackmail. Read this LA Times article! >> >> http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-biofuels-20100805,0,7105447.story >> >> >> <;-) >> >> (But seriously, it does work at a laboratory basis now. On the other >> hand, BP may be hiring all the scientists!) Standard Oil has a simpler >> concept - hire some assassins - save money. >> >> Steve >> >> -- >> >> Steve Laifman >> >> Editor >> >> http://TigersUnited.com From jteepen at usatoday.com Thu Aug 5 19:47:26 2010 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 21:47:26 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <4C5B654C.10505@mayfco.com> References: <523e.2e10799.398c37bb@aol.com> <4C5AE1AD.8040104@mayfco.com> <4C5B654C.10505@mayfco.com> Message-ID: AC made the Ace and Cobras. Instead of the CSX prefix as on the Shelby Cobras, AC made COB prefix car for the European market. Closer? -----Original Message----- From: drmayf [mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 6:29 PM To: Teepen, Jere Cc: CoolVT at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) This one might qualify. Has it been done? Has anyone taken an AC ACE and installed all the items that make a Cobra a Cobra and called their new Car an AC Cobra? While this isn't teh same thing as two different cars made by the same company and then having parts from one added to the other and calling it an Alger. Close but not yet quite the same. mayf Teepen, Jere wrote: >How about an AC Ace with a Ford V-8? Instant Cobra? > >-----Original Message----- >From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf >Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 9:07 AM >To: CoolVT at aol.com >Cc: tigers at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) > >CoolVT at aol.com wrote: From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 5 19:56:50 2010 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 18:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Buyer Beware For Sure Message-ID: <28183.88687.qm@web81508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "The admonition I would issue is that as more newbies learn more about Tigers and Alpines, the TAC teams,, and availability of club members to inspect prospective purchases on their behalf, folks selling cars they're not completely honest about are in for a shock. Seller beware. " I was reading an early 80's copy of "Shelby American" and there is an article concerning the restoration of a Tiger. The author bought the Tiger several years previous and decided to have a well known Alpine/Tiger restorer restore the car. Well, the restorer said the frame was too far gone to use and he just happened to have an extra frame to use in the restoration. The article doesn't say if the extra frame was Tiger or Alpine. A few months later, the car was delivered. The new owner makes a comments about using a hammer to bash out the floorboard and transmission tunnel to fit the engine. The car's VIN is listed in Norm's web site as a Tiger but not listed as being TAC'ed. I'm sure the owner believes he had a genuine Tiger even with the "replacement frame". He may have sold it to someone else with confidence that it is a real Tiger. I suppose no one will ever know if it is a real Tiger until a person with expert knowledge checks the car out. Then there may be a surprise for the owner. Jeff From csx2282 at sonic.net Thu Aug 5 20:18:50 2010 From: csx2282 at sonic.net (csx2282) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 19:18:50 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Save your poop, and fuel your car! References: <4C5B6857.8010702@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <4BB4CB5721B1436387BBD4CD8986FE1A@Cobra> Steve, As I said, simpler. Guess I should have added the word technology. Cow methane is also being used in a similar manner, though maybe not to power cars. I did read the Times article. I'm pretty sure I saw this featured on a local news program a few months back. I do recall a reference to "green slime". It's a local company. Roland ----- Original Message ----- To: csx2282 ; Tiger's Den Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 6:41 PM Subject: Re: Save your poop, and fuel your car! Roland, An interesting project, but not new. During WWII, with limited access to petroleum, the French and Germans were driving their cars with a cloth bag on top of the car, filling it with feces, and driving. As heard it, it was quite a bit smelly, but I wasn't there. " The researchers, at South San Francisco-based biotechnology company LS9 Inc., created their biological hydrocarbon factory using genes from water-dwelling blue-green algae that naturally make tiny amounts of the fuel. They transplanted the genes into E. coli and, with a few more genetic tweaks, adjusted the bug's metabolism so it churned out 100 times more fuel than the algae did." http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-biofuels-20100805,0,7105447.stor y Sounds like the e-coli bacteria is an engineered strain, and not directly from excrement. Read the referenced extract. And NO, I am not converting my TIGER! Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com csx2282 wrote: Or this simpler alternative http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-10884539 Roland Tigers, Just read in the LA Times that bio-scientists are using algae and e-coli bacteria to create a combined organism that creates diesel fuel. No oil required. Read it, and save your poop, and some algae from your fish tank. With a little lab work you can create your own diesel fuel !!!! Screw the Arabs oil blackmail. Read this LA Times article! http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-biofuels-20100805,0,7105447. story <;-) (But seriously, it does work at a laboratory basis now. On the other hand, BP may be hiring all the scientists!) Standard Oil has a simpler concept - hire some assassins - save money. Steve -- Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Aug 5 20:29:07 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 12:29:07 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <4C5B654C.10505@mayfco.com> References: <523e.2e10799.398c37bb@aol.com> <4C5AE1AD.8040104@mayfco.com> <4C5B654C.10505@mayfco.com> Message-ID: This has been done several times. and in several itterations. There are early aces.. with the slightly earlier style ace body than the conbra had that have had the "cobra" parts fitted. There are the correct body Aces that have had the cobra parts fitted.. thouhg the guards have not been lipped as per cobra. There are AC Acea coupes that have cobraised.. there are Ac's that were rebuilt by autocraft (AC cars in the 80's) that were converted to cobra spec... ultimately.. none of them are cobras from the original run of cars. On 6 August 2010 11:28, drmayf wrote: > This one might qualify. Has it been done? Has anyone taken an AC ACE and > installed all the items that make a Cobra a Cobra and called their new Car > an AC Cobra? While this isn't teh same thing as two different cars made by > the same company and then having parts from one added to the other and > calling it an Alger. Close but not yet quite the same. > > > mayf > > Teepen, Jere wrote: > > How about an AC Ace with a Ford V-8? Instant Cobra? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of drmayf >> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 9:07 AM >> To: CoolVT at aol.com >> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) >> >> CoolVT at aol.com wrote: >> >> >> >>> ** >>> In a message dated 8/5/2010 11:44:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>> drmayf at mayfco.com writes: >>> >>> I cannot recall (maybe bad old memory cells, lol) >>> of any other car which has been modified to resemble a different >>> model >>> of the same manufacturer having a split name of the two different >>> models. >>> >>> ** *How about Chevelle and Corvette..........Chevette. Of course it >>> hasn't been modified or doesn't look like either;-)* >>> >>> >> >> Sorry, doesn't qualify by the stated rule I made above. A checvelle was >> not made into a corvette by adding corvette junk to it. Now vice versa. >> Chevette was and entire new product line from the maker. Score 6 those for >> thinking, lol... >> >> mayf >> > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From e.coiner at cox.net Thu Aug 5 20:58:43 2010 From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 19:58:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Alger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20100805225843.W4J0H.332349.imail@fed1rmwml44> ---- michael king wrote: >He built the alger so he could modify it the way > he wanted, and drive the heck out of it... > > I have seen the photos of the car.. looks great.. probably nicer than many > tigers.. and he has left the alpine VIN and JAl on it.. and has the "alpine" > scripts.. its a great car and would be a blast to own.. and he is not trying > to fool anyone. That is not an Alger. It is a an Alpine with an engine transplant. An Alger is an Alpine body with all the parts made to look exactly like a Tiger. When being sold it is advertized as a Tiger, Ask the owner what he has and he answers Tiger. That is an Alger and the reason they are held in low esteem by Tiger owners. The essence of Alger is intent to deceive. Rootes did us no favors with the weak VIN identification elements on Alpines and Tigers. From mmichels at socal.rr.com Thu Aug 5 21:38:23 2010 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 20:38:23 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clock In-Reply-To: References: <4C5B0A7D.7060504@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <002f01cb3518$d359dc40$7a0d94c0$@rr.com> For those looking to plug the "rootes group" hole in the dash with a reasonable alternative to finding an original clock, CAT sells a replica with a quartz movement. I have one and it looks great and keeps perfect time. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom Parker Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 3:33 PM To: Steve Laifman Cc: LIST TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clock Thanks, Steve! I have a Mark 1 clock on the way to fill the hole in my new dash, and when I have the speedometer calibrated I'll ask Peter at Nisonger to convert it to quartz. I think he does that. There are "small number" clocks for sale in England, but the ones I saw have white hands. Maybe Peter can paint them... Again, the depth of knowledge on this site is amazing. Thanks to all. Tom On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Steve Laifman wrote: > Tom, and Michael, > > Thanks for the vote of confidence, Tom. Now I "have" to answer the > question. > > Michael is correct. > > There were many clock faces used by Smiths for Sunbeam Alpines and Tigers > (all "dealer options). Bottom line: > > - The Sunbeam Tiger Mk I used Smiths CE 3030/00, which is in my car. > The 3 and 9 are sideways, and the bottom timing adjust and time set are on > the bottom sides, and the hands are red. > > Smiths CE 3030/00 > > Smiths CE 3131/01 > > In summary, > > The MkIA and MkII used Smiths CE 3131/01. The 3 and 9 are upright, and > correct number for your car. > > Unfortunately, due to List space restrictions, only you and Michael King > will get a directly sent version that does have the pictures. > > As an additional piece of information, these clocks were electric wind-up, > and may not be working. Never fear, a solution is possible. A good > instrument shop that deals in Smiths, can replace the mechanism with a > quartz VDO guts in the original shell. The VDO movement is reported to be > extremely accurate. Who knows, if mine fails, I'll have to consider this. > > Steve Laifman > > Editor > > http://TigersUnited.com > > > michael king wrote: > > The MKII used the later model clock as per sunbeam alpine SV, this has the > smaller numbers with the 9 and 3 vertical. > > its smiths part #CE3131/01 > > On 5 August 2010 05:34, Tom Parker wrote: > > > > This is mainly a question for Steve Laifman, I think he's addressed it > before; if anyone else knows please chip in: > > Steve, > > Which clock was used in the ' 67 Tiger 2? I know the diameter is 60 mm (@ 2 > 3/8") and the hands are orange, but I think I read you mentioned a > difference in the numbers. I can't find the original post. > > Tom > _______________________________________________ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of CE_3030_00.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of CE_3131_01.jpg] _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mmichels at socal.rr.com From mmichels at socal.rr.com Thu Aug 5 21:41:50 2010 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 20:41:50 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Keeping cockpit cool In-Reply-To: References: <4c584d08.30fb.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: <003001cb3519$4e53cb40$eafb61c0$@rr.com> Dynamat definitely works. Also if you need to seal all the holes and crevices on the firewall, 3M Rope Caulk, sold be Eastwood, works very well. Comes in strips, and is a bituminous black product that stays flexible and easily molded or removed if necessary later on. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allan Ballard Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 11:29 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net List Tiger Subject: [Tigers] Keeping cockpit cool The cockpit of my Tiger is quite warm. It was very hot as "found" but a new shifter boot and a patch to a small hole in the floor helped tremendously. Also I've filled two firewall holes with grommets, another big help. But still it's warmer than my Alpine, a lot warmer... Some of the heat must penetrate old grommets that have wires running through them so that the grommets are not solid. That will have to stay "as is" for a while--although spray-foam insulation might help the areas where those grommets are split to accomodate the item passing through. Any ideas where is the heat coming from... and how to stop it? Maybe it's coming through the floor! The heat might be a big plus in the cold months, but in a Georgia August.... Allan Ballard Atlanta, GA _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mmichels at socal.rr.com From dsmtjoy at cox.net Thu Aug 5 22:21:21 2010 From: dsmtjoy at cox.net (Mountjoy) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 21:21:21 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Alger References: <20100805225843.W4J0H.332349.imail@fed1rmwml44> Message-ID: <45E7294B6E4F404CB26890CD5518ED82@computer> Good point, Eric ! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Mountjoy" ; "michael king" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger > > ---- michael king wrote: >>He built the alger so he could modify it the way >> he wanted, and drive the heck out of it... >> >> I have seen the photos of the car.. looks great.. probably nicer than >> many >> tigers.. and he has left the alpine VIN and JAl on it.. and has the >> "alpine" >> scripts.. its a great car and would be a blast to own.. and he is not >> trying >> to fool anyone. > > > That is not an Alger. It is a an Alpine with an engine transplant. > > An Alger is an Alpine body with all the parts made to look exactly like a > Tiger. When being sold it is advertized as a Tiger, > Ask the owner what he has and he answers Tiger. > > That is an Alger and the reason they are held in low esteem by Tiger > owners. The essence of Alger is intent to deceive. > Rootes did us no favors with the weak VIN identification elements on > Alpines and Tigers. From sganz at pacbell.net Thu Aug 5 22:40:25 2010 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 21:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Save your poop, and fuel your car! In-Reply-To: <4C5B1F05.3000602@socal.rr.com> References: <4C5B1F05.3000602@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <421200.65067.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sounds like the Blue Green Algae stuff that has been around for a while. Gale Banks (Mr. Diesel as I'll call him) is all about that stuff. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den Sent: Thu, August 5, 2010 1:28:53 PM Subject: [Tigers] Save your poop, and fuel your car! Tigers, Just read in the LA Times that bio-scientists are using algae and e-coli bacteria to create a combined organism that creates diesel fuel. No oil required. Read it, and save your poop, and some algae from your fish tank. With a little lab work you can create your own diesel fuel !!!! Screw the Arabs oil blackmail. Read this LA Times article! http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-biofuels-20100805,0,7105447.story <;-) (But seriously, it does work at a laboratory basis now. On the other hand, BP may be hiring all the scientists!) Standard Oil has a simpler concept - hire some assassins - save money. Steve -- Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz at pacbell.net From sganz at pacbell.net Thu Aug 5 22:44:28 2010 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 21:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Spirit of Sunbeam Salt Flats Plans In-Reply-To: <4C5B2EA9.40802@mayfco.com> References: <7265.72c9d87d.398c3d68@aol.com> <4C5B2EA9.40802@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <110509.67370.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Isn't the answer just MORE :) 550hp under boost, you should be close to that by now. I would say if it wasn't at altitude and likely hot a nice stroker motor and a carb on pump gas can work those numbers these days ;). Low tensions rings and a vacuum pump should be the next thing you try (Hint at what I'm going to try next). Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: drmayf To: CoolVT at aol.com Cc: alpines at autox.team.net; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, August 5, 2010 2:35:37 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Spirit of Sunbeam Salt Flats Plans About 550 hp. Been having boost issue apparently becaus erecorded boost is way low. Have been running up against aero wall with the power I have been making. Changed some of that this year so should make the power (said with fingers crossed). mayf CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > *Curious Mayf,* > *What have you calculated the h.p needs to be to get you to 200mph?* > In a message dated 8/5/2010 12:09:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >drmayf at mayfco.com writes: > > Well, time for me to inform all those who follow the Spirit of > Sunbeam > in it's quest to be the worlds fastest Sunbeam. The current top > speed > for a flying mile is now at 186.192 mph. Changes have been made > to the > car for this years activies. Oh first, we will not be at Speed > Week in > August. That event has become a happening and costs have skyrocketed > beyond our means. Last year, we paid 1300 bucks for one hotel > room for > 6 nights. Instead we are going to World of Speed in September: same > hotel but costs for the entire stay is 249 dollars. Mods to the car > have been few. I mentioned that I built a simulator so that the > el > snip _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz at pacbell.net From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 5 22:45:06 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 21:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Alger Message-ID: <341560.87898.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It isn't that it really matter but I disagree. An Alger is an Alpine with a V8 engine and has been for many years. I'm sure Norm coined the phrase but you have to recall that at one point in time it wasn't wort the investment to pay a restoration shop to fix a rusted out Tiger when a nice Alpine was available and for lots less, Doug and I'm sure Dale on the left Coast, perhaps Tiger Tom and I believe Mr.Witt- anyway, another Pa. chap who restored Tigers built some Algers BUT I can only speak about Doug as he was the only person I had give me a price to Algerize my rusty Mk1A. He refereed to the car as an Alger and I would think he is in the top 5 most knowledgeable Sunbeam people in the USA and perhaps the world. I'm sure he has restored more cars than anyone over his career. So An Alger is an Alger BUT how it is presented is what separates it from other Algers. IMO of course. regards, TtT --- On Thu, 8/5/10, e.coiner at cox.net wrote: From: e.coiner at cox.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger To: "Mountjoy" , "michael king" Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 9:58 PM ---- michael king wrote: >He built the alger so he could modify it the way > he wanted, and drive the heck out of it... > > I have seen the photos of the car.. looks great.. probably nicer than many > tigers.. and he has left the alpine VIN and JAl on it.. and has the "alpine" > scripts.. its a great car and would be a blast to own.. and he is not trying > to fool anyone. That is not an Alger. It is a an Alpine with an engine transplant. An Alger is an Alpine body with all the parts made to look exactly like a Tiger. When being sold it is advertized as a Tiger, Ask the owner what he has and he answers Tiger. That is an Alger and the reason they are held in low esteem by Tiger owners. The essence of Alger is intent to deceive. Rootes did us no favors with the weak VIN identification elements on Alpines and Tigers. _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From jim at island.net Thu Aug 5 22:48:48 2010 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 21:48:48 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Alger In-Reply-To: <20100805225843.W4J0H.332349.imail@fed1rmwml44> References: <20100805225843.W4J0H.332349.imail@fed1rmwml44> Message-ID: <457290240B76435CB9685291CDE606F3@JIMPC> Well...speaking of... an Alger came on e-Bay today... they call it a Sunbeam Tiger 'conversion' but, along with a lot of Tiger bits, it also has a Tiger VIN plate on it ! I see that VIN# ( B382000046 ) is listed in the registry... I wonder if Norm has it noted as 'junked'? ...or? So... the winner of the auction will know that it's a 'conversion' but could sure be tempted to try and re-sell it as 'real' ... Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of e.coiner at cox.net Sent: August 5, 2010 7:59 PM To: Mountjoy; michael king Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger ---- michael king wrote: >He built the alger so he could modify it the way > he wanted, and drive the heck out of it... > > I have seen the photos of the car.. looks great.. probably nicer than many > tigers.. and he has left the alpine VIN and JAl on it.. and has the "alpine" > scripts.. its a great car and would be a blast to own.. and he is not trying > to fool anyone. That is not an Alger. It is a an Alpine with an engine transplant. An Alger is an Alpine body with all the parts made to look exactly like a Tiger. When being sold it is advertized as a Tiger, Ask the owner what he has and he answers Tiger. That is an Alger and the reason they are held in low esteem by Tiger owners. The essence of Alger is intent to deceive. Rootes did us no favors with the weak VIN identification elements on Alpines and Tigers. _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Aug 5 22:56:32 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 21:56:32 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <523e.2e10799.398c37bb@aol.com> <4C5AE1AD.8040104@mayfco.com> <4C5B654C.10505@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <4C5B9600.9090801@mayfco.com> If both AC ACE and Cobras rolled out the same door from them, complete without intervention of Shelby then it would be analogous to Alpines and Tigers coming from the same maker and being sold by that maker through its dealers. Then if you purchased an ACE and decided to make it a Cobra clone using the makers parts and calling it a ACEROBA or some such then it would be very nearly the same as making a Tiger from an Alpine. mayf, and now I am headed tobed, lol... Teepen, Jere wrote: >AC made the Ace and Cobras. Instead of the CSX prefix as on the Shelby Cobras, AC made COB prefix car for the European market. Closer? > >-----Original Message----- >From: drmayf [mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com] >Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 6:29 PM >To: Teepen, Jere >Cc: CoolVT at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) > >This one might qualify. Has it been done? Has anyone taken an AC ACE >and installed all the items that make a Cobra a Cobra and called their >new Car an AC Cobra? While this isn't teh same thing as two different >cars made by the same company and then having parts from one added to >the other and calling it an Alger. Close but not yet quite the same. > > >mayf >Teepen, Jere wrote: > > > >>How about an AC Ace with a Ford V-8? Instant Cobra? >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf >>Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 9:07 AM >>To: CoolVT at aol.com >>Cc: tigers at autox.team.net >>Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) >> >>CoolVT at aol.com wrote: From mcdangerous at verizon.net Fri Aug 6 04:51:26 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 06:51:26 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ...but I don't understand. Aren't original AC Ace cars worth $250k or so in their own right? I mean, that's an expensive car to use to make a clone... Am I wrong? On 8/5/10 10:29 PM, "michael king" wrote: > This has been done several times. and in several itterations. > > There are early aces.. with the slightly earlier style ace body than the > conbra had that have had the "cobra" parts fitted. > > There are the correct body Aces that have had the cobra parts fitted.. > thouhg the guards have not been lipped as per cobra. > > There are AC Acea coupes that have cobraised.. > > there are Ac's that were rebuilt by autocraft (AC cars in the 80's) that > were converted to cobra spec... > > ultimately.. none of them are cobras from the original run of cars. > > On 6 August 2010 11:28, drmayf wrote: > >> This one might qualify. Has it been done? Has anyone taken an AC ACE and >> installed all the items that make a Cobra a Cobra and called their new Car >> an AC Cobra? While this isn't teh same thing as two different cars made by >> the same company and then having parts from one added to the other and >> calling it an Alger. Close but not yet quite the same. >> >> >> mayf >> >> Teepen, Jere wrote: >> >> How about an AC Ace with a Ford V-8? Instant Cobra? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] >>> On Behalf Of drmayf >>> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 9:07 AM >>> To: CoolVT at aol.com >>> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net >>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) >>> >>> CoolVT at aol.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> ** >>>> In a message dated 8/5/2010 11:44:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>>> drmayf at mayfco.com writes: >>>> >>>> I cannot recall (maybe bad old memory cells, lol) >>>> of any other car which has been modified to resemble a different >>>> model >>>> of the same manufacturer having a split name of the two different >>>> models. >>>> >>>> ** *How about Chevelle and Corvette..........Chevette. Of course it >>>> hasn't been modified or doesn't look like either;-)* >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Sorry, doesn't qualify by the stated rule I made above. A checvelle was >>> not made into a corvette by adding corvette junk to it. Now vice versa. >>> Chevette was and entire new product line from the maker. Score 6 those for >>> thinking, lol... >>> >>> mayf >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com From mcdangerous at verizon.net Fri Aug 6 05:08:30 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 07:08:30 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Alger In-Reply-To: <457290240B76435CB9685291CDE606F3@JIMPC> Message-ID: I saw that too. I have not looked it over very closely, but it looks like it could easily be a good example of a car that is OK in the hands of an honest person, but the next owner might sell it as the real deal in the near or distant future. It looks pretty darn good. Caveat emptor would apply. Does Norm Miller know about this car? Can anyone inform him of it? If I had the money, I'd be buying this car to truly drive the crap out of without fear of wrecking a "collector car". Seriously tempting...if the price is right. How much do you expect this to sell for? Would anyone like to critique this car? EBay item 110569833152. Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1965-Sunbeam-Tiger-Conversion-/110569833152?p t=US_Cars_Trucks#ht_3740wt_1167 On 8/6/10 12:48 AM, "Jim" wrote: > Well...speaking of... an Alger came on e-Bay today... they call it a > Sunbeam Tiger 'conversion' but, along with a lot of Tiger bits, it also has > a Tiger VIN plate on it ! I see that VIN# ( B382000046 ) is listed in the > registry... I wonder if Norm has it noted as 'junked'? ...or? > So... the winner of the auction will know that it's a 'conversion' but could > sure be tempted to try and re-sell it as 'real' ... > > Jim > B382000446 > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of e.coiner at cox.net > Sent: August 5, 2010 7:59 PM > To: Mountjoy; michael king > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger > > ---- michael king wrote: >> He built the alger so he could modify it the way >> he wanted, and drive the heck out of it... >> >> I have seen the photos of the car.. looks great.. probably nicer than many >> tigers.. and he has left the alpine VIN and JAl on it.. and has the > "alpine" >> scripts.. its a great car and would be a blast to own.. and he is not > trying >> to fool anyone. > > > That is not an Alger. It is a an Alpine with an engine transplant. > > An Alger is an Alpine body with all the parts made to look exactly like a > Tiger. When being sold it is advertized as a Tiger, > Ask the owner what he has and he answers Tiger. > > That is an Alger and the reason they are held in low esteem by Tiger owners. > The essence of Alger is intent to deceive. > Rootes did us no favors with the weak VIN identification elements on Alpines > and Tigers. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net From allanballard at att.net Fri Aug 6 05:15:03 2010 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 07:15:03 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clock In-Reply-To: <002f01cb3518$d359dc40$7a0d94c0$@rr.com> References: <4C5B0A7D.7060504@socal.rr.com> <002f01cb3518$d359dc40$7a0d94c0$@rr.com> Message-ID: Kienzle clocks come on ebay from time to time---right size, black with white numbers, will need to paint the hands red. Finding matching red paint is no more difficult than a trip to the local paint store... On Aug 5, 2010, at 11:38 PM, Mike Michels wrote: > For those looking to plug the "rootes group" hole in the dash with a > reasonable alternative to finding an original clock, CAT sells a replica > with a quartz movement. I have one and it looks great and keeps perfect > time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Tom Parker > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 3:33 PM > To: Steve Laifman > Cc: LIST TIGER > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clock > > Thanks, Steve! I have a Mark 1 clock on the way to fill the hole in my new > dash, and when I have the speedometer calibrated I'll ask Peter at Nisonger > to convert it to quartz. I think he does that. There are "small number" > clocks for sale in England, but the ones I saw have white hands. Maybe Peter > can paint them... > > Again, the depth of knowledge on this site is amazing. Thanks to all. > > Tom > > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Steve Laifman wrote: > >> Tom, and Michael, >> >> Thanks for the vote of confidence, Tom. Now I "have" to answer the >> question. >> >> Michael is correct. >> >> There were many clock faces used by Smiths for Sunbeam Alpines and Tigers >> (all "dealer options). Bottom line: >> >> - The Sunbeam Tiger Mk I used Smiths CE 3030/00, which is in my car. >> The 3 and 9 are sideways, and the bottom timing adjust and time set are > on >> the bottom sides, and the hands are red. >> >> Smiths CE 3030/00 >> >> Smiths CE 3131/01 >> >> In summary, >> >> The MkIA and MkII used Smiths CE 3131/01. The 3 and 9 are upright, and >> correct number for your car. >> >> Unfortunately, due to List space restrictions, only you and Michael King >> will get a directly sent version that does have the pictures. >> >> As an additional piece of information, these clocks were electric wind-up, >> and may not be working. Never fear, a solution is possible. A good >> instrument shop that deals in Smiths, can replace the mechanism with a >> quartz VDO guts in the original shell. The VDO movement is reported to be >> extremely accurate. Who knows, if mine fails, I'll have to consider this. >> >> Steve Laifman >> >> Editor >> >> http://TigersUnited.com >> >> >> michael king wrote: >> >> The MKII used the later model clock as per sunbeam alpine SV, this has the >> smaller numbers with the 9 and 3 vertical. >> >> its smiths part #CE3131/01 >> >> On 5 August 2010 05:34, Tom Parker > wrote: >> >> >> >> This is mainly a question for Steve Laifman, I think he's addressed it >> before; if anyone else knows please chip in: >> >> Steve, >> >> Which clock was used in the ' 67 Tiger 2? I know the diameter is 60 mm (@ > 2 >> 3/8") and the hands are orange, but I think I read you mentioned a >> difference in the numbers. I can't find the original post. >> >> Tom >> _______________________________________________ > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > CE_3030_00.jpg] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of > CE_3131_01.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mmichels at socal.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net From michael.s.king at gmail.com Fri Aug 6 05:15:37 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 21:15:37 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Alger In-Reply-To: References: <457290240B76435CB9685291CDE606F3@JIMPC> Message-ID: On 6 August 2010 21:08, Would U. Believe wrote: > Does Norm Miller know about this car? > Looks like the one that stars in the Alger Alley on his website.. -- Regards Michael King From allanballard at att.net Fri Aug 6 05:40:15 2010 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 07:40:15 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Alger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nice looking fake -- when will they learn that Rootes used Forest Green not BRG? On Aug 6, 2010, at 7:08 AM, Would U. Believe wrote: > I saw that too. I have not looked it over very closely, but it looks like > it could easily be a good example of a car that is OK in the hands of an > honest person, but the next owner might sell it as the real deal in the near > or distant future. It looks pretty darn good. Caveat emptor would apply. > Does Norm Miller know about this car? Can anyone inform him of it? If I > had the money, I'd be buying this car to truly drive the crap out of without > fear of wrecking a "collector car". Seriously tempting...if the price is > right. How much do you expect this to sell for? Would anyone like to > critique this car? EBay item 110569833152. Link: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1965-Sunbeam-Tiger-Conversion-/110569833152?p > t=US_Cars_Trucks#ht_3740wt_1167 > > > On 8/6/10 12:48 AM, "Jim" wrote: > >> Well...speaking of... an Alger came on e-Bay today... they call it a >> Sunbeam Tiger 'conversion' but, along with a lot of Tiger bits, it also has >> a Tiger VIN plate on it ! I see that VIN# ( B382000046 ) is listed in the >> registry... I wonder if Norm has it noted as 'junked'? ...or? >> So... the winner of the auction will know that it's a 'conversion' but could >> sure be tempted to try and re-sell it as 'real' ... >> >> Jim >> B382000446 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] >> On Behalf Of e.coiner at cox.net >> Sent: August 5, 2010 7:59 PM >> To: Mountjoy; michael king >> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger >> >> ---- michael king wrote: >>> He built the alger so he could modify it the way >>> he wanted, and drive the heck out of it... >>> >>> I have seen the photos of the car.. looks great.. probably nicer than many >>> tigers.. and he has left the alpine VIN and JAl on it.. and has the >> "alpine" >>> scripts.. its a great car and would be a blast to own.. and he is not >> trying >>> to fool anyone. >> >> >> That is not an Alger. It is a an Alpine with an engine transplant. >> >> An Alger is an Alpine body with all the parts made to look exactly like a >> Tiger. When being sold it is advertized as a Tiger, >> Ask the owner what he has and he answers Tiger. >> >> That is an Alger and the reason they are held in low esteem by Tiger owners. >> The essence of Alger is intent to deceive. >> Rootes did us no favors with the weak VIN identification elements on Alpines >> and Tigers. >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net From spook01 at comcast.net Fri Aug 6 07:25:54 2010 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 08:25:54 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Tiger_marked_Alpine_and_Tiger_value?= Message-ID: <20100806132453.7C48118764D@autox.team.net> So, guys, what is a driver alger worth? Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Steve Laifman" Date: Thu, Aug 5, 2010 19:28 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger marked Alpine and Tiger value To: "Tony Somebody" Cc: "Beamclub" Tony, The name "Tiger" has copyright in Germany and France, So it was re-badged and sold as as an "Alpine 260" There also were South African assembled Tigers, with the Tiger name. Norm Miller provided the details in his TBON book. Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com Tony Somebody wrote: > I once found a Tiger in a shop close to me here in southern IL. I was waiting > to talk to someone about an Alpine back against the fence row. The car had its > hood up, had a Tiger VIN but had Alpine in place of Tiger on the outside, it > was complete, including outside stainless. Everything I could find said it was > a real Tiger. I had someone try to steal my Tiger in Cabondale, IL once (home > of southern IL. university)- they had cut the wires on the ignition switch- > glad they didn't know the easy way to start a Tiger or I would have had more > problems than twisting some wires together to get home- I'm sure the kids that > where standing around behind my date and I where the culprits but that was > many years before video cameras. The Tiger marked Alpine was about 7 miles > west of Carbondale and perhaps the Alpine chrome was to deter would be > thieves. As for the 26 k for a Tiger, I think a Tiger in good to excellent > condition can bring 30 easily. I'm curious what > 1 part at a time would net a person on epay? IF you buy a rough Tiger and > have Doug Jennings restore(prior to retirement) it, by the time you pay for > his labor you will be knocking on over 20k and thats if the dipper didn't eat > to many holes into the body/frame. Material is outrageous and paint must have > gold blended into each gallon and there is still all the little things like > brakes and steering, the front suspension needing rebuilt and on and on. Soon > your investment is over the 26K mark and does a person ever stop finding new > items to make improvements. I have a want list that goes over or close to 10K > w/ me doing all the labor, except building the striker engine and I think I > could do that if I had the blue prints from someone elses build card. > TtT > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/slaifman at socal.rr.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/spook01 at comcast.net From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 6 08:30:05 2010 From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 07:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Green Alger Message-ID: <601419.79595.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Alan, You could probably buy this Alger for the same (or a little more) money than you paid for your Tiger....and you wouldnt have any work or expense restoring it....it would feel EXACTLY the same going down the road. I think it will sell for close to 20k as it is a nice example.....Typically an Alger is about 1/2 in selling price than an original car....this ebay listing shows that when they are sold most owners wil say what it is....I never plan to sell mine, it will pass on to my daughter and then her child one day....but I have instructed her that if it is ever sold for some reason that it is a clone and not a factory v8 car. Also I personally informed Norm with my vin as an Alger years ago when I started the project. Just because a clone car has Tiger badges and vin does not mean it will be sold frauduantly.... mike Schreiner From drmayf at mayfco.com Fri Aug 6 08:39:47 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 07:39:47 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Spirit of Sunbeam Salt Flats Plans In-Reply-To: <110509.67370.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <7265.72c9d87d.398c3d68@aol.com> <4C5B2EA9.40802@mayfco.com> <110509.67370.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C5C1EB3.9030706@mayfco.com> Sandy, all... yeah it is easy to do, lol. Baro pressure at Wendover is about 12.5 psia. Temperature ranges between 95 and 100 degF. Turbo can make that up if the boost is actually working, which it seems it has not been. The dual waste gates were leaking badly and fighting each other. Now the car only has one large wastegate and it did indeed work on the fatal to the tire dyno pull. Yep, just about any old car on the street can make 550 hp any more. I use total seal rings and I already use a crankcase evac system albeit only the exhaust nozzle suction kind. Just trying to kill the suds from the turbo return oil with that. This past season, I did chat via email with someone who asked for my help in running his Sunbeam on the salt. Someone has decided that the bragging rights are a sufficient attraction to go for more than 203.792 mph. So, here is the deal, how about some of you hot rodders building a salt flats time trials car and bring it to the salt? Make it a list effort. I will help you go faster than me. I had a steep learning curve on for all of what I have learned so far, but I will provide you with the best answers I have based on my trials and tribulations so far. I can get you racing the first year you bring you car. Such a deal! I bet there are at least a couple of dozen on the list who can do this far far better than me, lol. Any takers? If so, be prepared to spend lots of dead presidents! mayf Sandy Ganz wrote: >Isn't the answer just MORE :) > >550hp under boost, you should be close to that by now. I would say if it wasn't >at altitude and likely hot a nice stroker motor and a carb on pump gas can work >those numbers these days ;). Low tensions rings and a vacuum pump should be the >next thing you try (Hint at what I'm going to try next). > > >Sandy > > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: drmayf >To: CoolVT at aol.com >Cc: alpines at autox.team.net; tigers at autox.team.net >Sent: Thu, August 5, 2010 2:35:37 PM >Subject: Re: [Tigers] Spirit of Sunbeam Salt Flats Plans > >About 550 hp. Been having boost issue apparently becaus erecorded boost is way >low. Have been running up against aero wall with the power I have been making. >Changed some of that this year so should make the power (said with fingers >crossed). > >mayf >CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > > > >>*Curious Mayf,* >>*What have you calculated the h.p needs to be to get you to 200mph?* >> In a message dated 8/5/2010 12:09:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>drmayf at mayfco.com writes: >> >> Well, time for me to inform all those who follow the Spirit of >> Sunbeam >> in it's quest to be the worlds fastest Sunbeam. The current top >> speed >> for a flying mile is now at 186.192 mph. Changes have been made >> to the >> car for this years activies. Oh first, we will not be at Speed >> Week in >> August. That event has become a happening and costs have skyrocketed >> beyond our means. Last year, we paid 1300 bucks for one hotel >> room for >> 6 nights. Instead we are going to World of Speed in September: same >> hotel but costs for the entire stay is 249 dollars. Mods to the car >> have been few. I mentioned that I built a simulator so that the >> el >> >> >> >snip >_______________________________________________ >Tigers at autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz at pacbell.net From s_ralsten at yahoo.com Fri Aug 6 08:59:21 2010 From: s_ralsten at yahoo.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 07:59:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Alger on ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <908141.95057.qm@web120105.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Well, whoever built that car built it to decieve. Current seller is doing the right thing and clearly revealing its status. Somehow I think down the road it will be used to decieve again. Wonder what the reserve is. It's a nice Alpine hot rod. Kind of a shame to see that aircleaner on there knowing there are several real Tiger owners that would like to have it. Current bid $1200 Value of legit Tiger parts $ priceless --- On Fri, 8/6/10, Would U. Believe wrote: From: Would U. Believe Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger To: "Jim" , e.coiner at cox.net, "'Mountjoy'" , "'michael king'" Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Friday, August 6, 2010, 4:08 AM I saw that too. I have not looked it over very closely, but it looks like it could easily be a good example of a car that is OK in the hands of an honest person, but the next owner might sell it as the real deal in the near or distant future. It looks pretty darn good. Caveat emptor would apply. Does Norm Miller know about this car? Can anyone inform him of it? If I had the money, I'd be buying this car to truly drive the crap out of without fear of wrecking a "collector car". Seriously tempting...if the price is right. How much do you expect this to sell for? Would anyone like to critique this car? EBay item 110569833152. Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1965-Sunbeam-Tiger-Conversion-/110569833152?p t=US_Cars_Trucks#ht_3740wt_1167 On 8/6/10 12:48 AM, "Jim" wrote: > Well...speaking of... an Alger came on e-Bay today... they call it a > Sunbeam Tiger 'conversion' but, along with a lot of Tiger bits, it also has > a Tiger VIN plate on it ! I see that VIN# ( B382000046 ) is listed in the > registry... I wonder if Norm has it noted as 'junked'? ...or? > So... the winner of the auction will know that it's a 'conversion' but could > sure be tempted to try and re-sell it as 'real' ... > > Jim > B382000446 > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of e.coiner at cox.net > Sent: August 5, 2010 7:59 PM > To: Mountjoy; michael king > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger > > ---- michael king wrote: >> He built the alger so he could modify it the way >> he wanted, and drive the heck out of it... >> >> I have seen the photos of the car.. looks great.. probably nicer than many >> tigers.. and he has left the alpine VIN and JAl on it.. and has the > "alpine" >> scripts.. its a great car and would be a blast to own.. and he is not > trying >> to fool anyone. > > > That is not an Alger. It is a an Alpine with an engine transplant. > > An Alger is an Alpine body with all the parts made to look exactly like a > Tiger. When being sold it is advertized as a Tiger, > Ask the owner what he has and he answers Tiger. > > That is an Alger and the reason they are held in low esteem by Tiger owners. > The essence of Alger is intent to deceive. > Rootes did us no favors with the weak VIN identification elements on Alpines > and Tigers. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/s_ralsten at yahoo.com From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com Fri Aug 6 09:02:42 2010 From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 10:02:42 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Alger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005301cb3578$6d17e020$4747a060$@com> Wow...that conversion car on eBay is pretty convincing for the novice like me....somebody went through some real effort to replicate the car. I'm amazed. I have learned through Norm and some others how to spot the correct rivets on the Tag, and those aren't it...so thankfully I would have caught that if I was an interested buyer....and hopefully I would have caught some other things...but I can tell it would have been difficult to spot...and I feel like I know them pretty well these days, having been down to the raw metal on my car... Did you guys notice the alternator bracket? Isn't that the same Mk!! Bracket discussed earlier? Now I know that I said " as long as its represented as a replica ( or conversion) I have no problem with it...." or something like that...which is still true....this one is so convincing....its making the claim that it's a Tiger if nothing is said to dispute....i mean...if you have an alpine, with the shifter in the center of the tunnel, square inner fender braces...etc...obvious stuff...but it has a sbf in it...to me, its not trying to be a Tiger, since alpine bodies and Tiger bodies are so different in other ways....now this car is taking it to the next level.... its actually impersonating the real car in careful detail....all of the sudden I find myself on the fence...because this car might actually hurt somebody who thinks he's buying a Tiger. Thankfully the current seller is honest about it...and at this point I'm sure Norm is aware...so hopefully this PARTICULAR car wont contribute to the problem...but its not usually such a concern to me because most that I have seen don't execute the effort so well. Seems clear to me that a real Tiger was sacrificed to make this car happen. I know that I have asked this before, but I still have an unanswered question, and I don't think there is a right answer, but that question is, how much is "too much" to desclassify the original car? (any car for that matter) I mean, in this case, if we assume an Alpine V was stripped, and the critical and visually obvious pieces of a Tiger were cut out of an old Tiger body and welded into this one, then its clearly a fake. On the other side of the issue, I don't know anyone who would say that a Tiger is not a Tiger because it had a qtr panel replaced due to an accident ( and the qtr came off an Alpine)...lets say it had new floor boards installed, and you buy reproductions that fit either car.... catch my drift? There have been Severely rusty tigers on eBay before, where the rockers were non-existent...floor pans nonexistent, let's say you fixed all of that, new front sheet metal, new qtrs, new pans....i have seen Tigers on Dale's website where the sheet metal was taken down to that level....i mean it looked like a pan with a firewall and that's it....and I haven't heard anyone say that his Tiger restorations produce fake Tigers...then again, I don't know if he is putting real "donor" Tiger exterior sheet metal back on his projects.. How much metal has to be replaced on a Tiger body to take away its legitimacy? It may not matter, but I don't think the issue will ever be black and white. And you cant answer with..." well we define it as whether or not the original body rolled off the Tiger Jensen assembly line..." that doesn't answer my question....but in all honesty, I doubt anyone can. The only true answer I can think of, would be 51% of its sheet metal mass....if you replace or change 51% you have made it less Tiger than whatever you replaced it with....but I'll say this, 51% of a raw body tub of a Tiger would fit easily in the back of my pickup...lol Cullen 1452 LROFE "one of 53 known to exist" ( Thanks Steve) From rande at thecia.net Fri Aug 6 09:05:17 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 11:05:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Algers, etc Message-ID: <4c5c24ad.4f2d.0@thecia.net> ...and I thought I just stepped on ONE Tiger paw. Whew, looks like a small herd, judging by the postings. Erich and Darrell M. get bonus points. It's not the deed, it's the deception. Mike S., again, there's no target on your back. At least if I were buying a car from you, you'd let me know what you were selling. As for the comparison of prototypes( and I suppose you could include certain race cars) to Algers, no, I'm not going to land on Darrell's or Bill Carroll's front doorstep to decry what someone did to two perfectly good Alpines. As for hotrods, I can admire the imagination and technical ability, while not wanting one in my garage. The comparison of the Ace and Cobra in the Alger discussion is hilarious and a bit spooky. I was thinking about that yesterday afternoon. Let's see, carve up one pristine $250,000 AC ACE to fabricate a dodgy recirculating ball steering $450,000 Cobra. I suppose that's in the realm of possibility, it's just not likely. While we're armchair racing on the Cobra theme, what about the AC 289 Sport. This a circa 1968 model that mates the bulbous Cobra 427 body and coil spring chassis with a 289 powertrain. It was marketed along with the Frua-designed AC428 in the UK when new Cobra's could no longer be sold in the States. Is that a real Cobra? As for the eBay car purported to be a recreated Tiger, let's see what it sells for. The interesting thing is that there's another Tiger on the site today. Compare eventual selling prices. From s_ralsten at yahoo.com Fri Aug 6 09:07:56 2010 From: s_ralsten at yahoo.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 08:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Green Alger In-Reply-To: <601419.79595.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <442875.51044.qm@web120117.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> But the simple act of putting Tiger badges on is fraudulant. Why not drive what it is ? A very nice Alpine hot rod. I'd be proud to own a nice Alpine hot rod. Steve --- On Fri, 8/6/10, mike schreiner wrote: From: mike schreiner Subject: [Tigers] Green Alger To: Tigers at autox.team.net Date: Friday, August 6, 2010, 7:30 AM Alan, You could probably buy this Alger for the same (or a little more) money than you paid for your Tiger....and you wouldnt have any work or expense restoring it....it would feel EXACTLY the same going down the road. I think it will sell for close to 20k as it is a nice example.....Typically an Alger is about 1/2 in selling price than an original car....this ebay listing shows that when they are sold most owners wil say what it is....I never plan to sell mine, it will pass on to my daughter and then her child one day....but I have instructed her that if it is ever sold for some reason that it is a clone and not a factory v8 car. Also I personally informed Norm with my vin as an Alger years ago when I started the project. Just because a clone car has Tiger badges and vin does not mean it will be sold frauduantly.... mike Schreiner _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/s_ralsten at yahoo.com From CoolVT at aol.com Fri Aug 6 09:11:10 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 11:11:10 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Green Alger Message-ID: On the Ebay Alger....if someone is not intending to fool anyone, why would they swap the vin's and put a Tiger vin on an Alpine? The swapping could lead to problems in some jurisdictions.......and not just rejecting the registration. M In a message dated 8/6/2010 10:57:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mikeflbmer at yahoo.com writes: Alan, You could probably buy this Alger for the same (or a little more) money than you paid for your Tiger....and you wouldnt have any work or expense restoring it....it would feel EXACTLY the same going down the road. I think it will sell for close to 20k as it is a nice example.....Typically an Alger is about 1/2 in selling price than an original car....this ebay listing shows that when they are sold most owners wil say what it is....I never plan to sell mine, it will pass on to my daughter and then her child one day....but I have instructed her that if it is ever sold for some reason that it is a clone and not a factory v8 car. Also I personally informed Norm with my vin as an Alger years ago when I started the project. Just because a clone car has Tiger badges and vin does not mean it will be sold frauduantly.... mike Schreiner _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From achd73 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 6 09:12:36 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 08:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Green Alger In-Reply-To: <601419.79595.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <691762.25097.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Very true- An Alger is much like a female, each and everyone must b cahecked out in a different manner as thei VINs arent always balanced or they show one thing and become another. Then their is the ones who look rough and turn out to bee the bet of them all BUT that seldom happens. Chees, TtT --- On Fri, 8/6/10, mike schreiner wrote: From: mike schreiner Subject: [Tigers] Green Alger To: Tigers at autox.team.net Date: Friday, August 6, 2010, 9:30 AM Alan, You could probably buy this Alger for the same (or a little more) money than you paid for your Tiger....and you wouldnt have any work or expense restoring it....it would feel EXACTLY the same going down the road. I think it will sell for close to 20k as it is a nice example.....Typically an Alger is about 1/2 in selling price than an original car....this ebay listing shows that when they are sold most owners wil say what it is....I never plan to sell mine, it will pass on to my daughter and then her child one day....but I have instructed her that if it is ever sold for some reason that it is a clone and not a factory v8 car. Also I personally informed Norm with my vin as an Alger years ago when I started the project. Just because a clone car has Tiger badges and vin does not mean it will be sold frauduantly.... mike Schreiner _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From todbrown at roadrunner.com Fri Aug 6 10:09:46 2010 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:09:46 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Green Alger Message-ID: <4C5C33CA.2050909@roadrunner.com> I agree with Mark. There are things done to this car that can only be understood as an attempt to deceive, such as the badging. It cannot be seen in the pictures, but one place that would be very revealing to me would be the area under the rear shelf where the fuel pump resides on a Tiger. In an Alpine, that area is boxed in and holds the battery. If the boxing is cut away and an effort made to make it look identical to a Tiger, it seems to me that the only reason would be to deceive, since it would take more than a cursory examination to see the change. IMHO, an honest builder should and would leave certain clues to the car's origins that would be evident to a knowledgeable buyer. The present seller is a dealer and probably could be held legally responsible for passing it off as a "real" Tiger. As several on here have said, the next owner may not be as ethical. It would be interesting to see what someone could get for the pieces if it were to be parted out. Tod B382002384LRXFE Don't forget to register for United 2010 in Rockland, Maine in October. Go to teae.org for more info. From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 6 10:47:10 2010 From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 09:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] ALger Message-ID: <337220.61469.qm@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It is a common practice on many cars brought back from the dead....Knowing and proving is two differen things....only the builder was there when restoration was done and body parts were exchanged From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 6 10:54:02 2010 From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 09:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Alger Message-ID: <30168.66677.qm@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It is not fraudulant (maybe in your eyes only)...are you saying all replica cobras are fraudulant? And the Ferarris made from Tooyotta MR2 or the little pontiac? or T bird convtable replicas? MGA replicas...the list goes on From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 6 10:56:53 2010 From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 09:56:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] ALGER Message-ID: <936521.70031.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Why worry about what some dreamed up next owner MIGHT do? The seller now is doing the right thing....and maybe the Battery box is cut out so when the cops pull you over you can easilly dump your beer (or whatever) under the car before the office walks up. (not that i would ever do such a THING)! From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 6 11:03:53 2010 From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 10:03:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] alger Message-ID: <760755.74555.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Original rivits dont mean much in my book as there are plenty of factory tigers out there with the rivits changed by some paint and body shop (how many vin plates have been lost at paint and body shops over the years)....Besides, you can remove original rivits off an old air vent box from a later car and insert them into the vin badge for that original look (now how would I know that?) mike From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 6 11:07:29 2010 From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 10:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] ALGER on ebay Message-ID: <638005.77860.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> You have no evidence that anyone wanted to decieve.....that is just your opinion...maybee the builder just wanted thecar to look proper (like cobra kit builders do)....you sould be praising him for saving a car and doing such an outstanding job instead of accusing him of fraud when you never even met him. (no it wasnt me) mike S From mcdangerous at verizon.net Fri Aug 6 11:45:42 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (mcdangerous at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:45:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Tigers] Green Alger Message-ID: <449611551.1589219.1281116742089.JavaMail.root@vms170003.mailsrvcs.net> I don't really know about that. I mean, there are people out there that are really picky about getting a "tribute" absolutely right. I'm very big into vintage guitars, particularly Beatles-related instruments. There are some that only one or two were ever made, like George's Rickenbacker 360/12. The Japanese are really, really into these things. Rickenbacker made a reissue of George's almost unique guitar (only one other exists). It was not absolutely perfect. The fanatics out there did forensic analysis of photographs of the real deal, down to the screw heads, scratches, etc., and made their own perfect copy. Of course, this was to feed their own need to feel close to an original when an original is unattainable. They would (or could) never try to sell the guitars as originals. The Tiger thing could be similar. To recreate what for the owner is a perfect knock-off, with no intention to sell it to anyone. Who really knows? I kind of understand it, in a weird way. I mean, if the donor cars were really cheap and the artiste wanted the real thing but could not afford it, why not? The only problem here is the VIN and JAL tags, because to tamper with them (at least the VIN) is illegal. I have no problem with the Tiger badging, really. Just my own opinion, which I can guarantee may change in a few minutes. Yes, I'm finicky. :-) Aug 6, 2010 11:44:57 AM, todbrown at roadrunner.com wrote: I agree with Mark. There are things done to this car that can only be understood as an attempt to deceive, such as the badging. It cannot be seen in the pictures, but one place that would be very revealing to me would be the area under the rear shelf where the fuel pump resides on a Tiger. In an Alpine, that area is boxed in and holds the battery. If the boxing is cut away and an effort made to make it look identical to a Tiger, it seems to me that the only reason would be to deceive, since it would take more than a cursory examination to see the change. IMHO, an honest builder should and would leave certain clues to the car's origins that would be evident to a knowledgeable buyer. The present seller is a dealer and probably could be held legally responsible for passing it off as a "real" Tiger. As several on here have said, the next owner may not be as ethical. It would be interesting to see what someone could get for the pieces if it were to be parted out. Tod B382002384LRXFE Don't forget to register for United 2010 in Rockland, Maine in October. Go to teae.org for more info. _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net From s_ralsten at yahoo.com Fri Aug 6 12:08:33 2010 From: s_ralsten at yahoo.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 11:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Alger In-Reply-To: <30168.66677.qm@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <141402.81318.qm@web120109.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Yes I am. If you identify it as something its not then its fraudulant. It may not be damaging to anyone, but its less than honest. You want people in gas stations or parking lots or roads to say "Nice Tiger" or some variation on that, but its not a Tiger. Similar to buying a 1963 cadillac and telling people it used to be Elvis' car when it wasn't. Maybe theres no $ damage done but that doesn't make it honest. --- On Fri, 8/6/10, mike schreiner wrote: From: mike schreiner Subject: [Tigers] Alger To: Tigers at autox.team.net Date: Friday, August 6, 2010, 9:54 AM It is not fraudulant (maybe in your eyes only)...are you saying all replica cobras are fraudulant? And the Ferarris made from Tooyotta MR2 or the little pontiac? or T bird convtable replicas? MGA replicas...the list goes on _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/s_ralsten at yahoo.com From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Aug 6 12:13:57 2010 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 13:13:57 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Green Alger In-Reply-To: <449611551.1589219.1281116742089.JavaMail.root@vms170003.mailsrvcs.net> References: <449611551.1589219.1281116742089.JavaMail.root@vms170003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059675CBE7@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> So you're saying this guy created a perfect "tribute" to B382000046, right down to taking its actual VIN and JAL plates and screwing them down to the "tribute" car? Seems to me that going that far crosses a few boundaries. In your guitar analogy, that would be like creating a tribute to a particular guitar by taking its Fender badge (or whatever passes for serialization on guitars), the strings, and the bridge, screwing those down onto a reproduction, and then claiming you had a 'tribute'. Tributes don't generally involve the destruction and subsequent impersonation of the original. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of mcdangerous at verizon.net > Sent: August 6, 2010 11:46 AM > To: todbrown at roadrunner.com > Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Green Alger > > I don't really know about that. I mean, there are people out there > that are > really picky about getting a "tribute" absolutely right. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From achd73 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 6 12:16:22 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 11:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Green Alger In-Reply-To: <4C5C33CA.2050909@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <497143.33795.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Maybe he removed the box to access the fuel pump. That or so there was room for the fuel pump. I think that is why the Tiger orginally had the box removed, as the pump would have been into the box. As long as the orginal VIN tag is still on the Alger it makes no difference what he does to the outside. Its his car, he can do with it as he pleases. When he tries to sell it as a Tiger and uses an Alpine title, then he has found one not very smart rich guy or female wanting a present for her boyfriend while her husband is out of town. Tt From: Tod Brown Subject: Re: [Tigers] Green Alger To: Tigers at autox.team.net Date: Friday, August 6, 2010, 11:09 AM I agree with Mark. There are things done to this car that can only be understood as an attempt to deceive, such as the badging. It cannot be seen in the From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 6 12:38:54 2010 From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 11:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Alger Message-ID: <486571.94255.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Maybe yoiu should just close your eyes whenever you come across a car like that... We'l be able to regognize you....you'll be the one blinking alot at car shows From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 6 12:43:40 2010 From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 11:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Alger Message-ID: <636222.53302.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Yes, But if you had two junked cars there and made one good car out of the two...I say it is the builders choice as to which vin to use....just my opinion From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 6 12:51:35 2010 From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 11:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] ALger Message-ID: <165116.76339.qm@web54303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Of course if i really wanted to upset you purists I would inform you that I printed out copies of a TAC sticker and glued it under the dash of my ALGER and both of my Alpines.......as a joke of course...wanna see a picture? From s_ralsten at yahoo.com Fri Aug 6 13:21:17 2010 From: s_ralsten at yahoo.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 12:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Alger In-Reply-To: <486571.94255.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518320.77444.qm@web120101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Obviously you're not going to change based on my opinion. But, you brought it up so I give you my honest opinion, otherwise I'd be dishonest. Steve --- On Fri, 8/6/10, mike schreiner wrote: From: mike schreiner Subject: [Tigers] Alger To: Tigers at autox.team.net Date: Friday, August 6, 2010, 11:38 AM Maybe yoiu should just close your eyes whenever you come across a car like that... We'l be able to regognize you....you'll be the one blinking alot at car shows _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/s_ralsten at yahoo.com From allanballard at att.net Fri Aug 6 14:01:27 2010 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 16:01:27 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Green Alger In-Reply-To: <601419.79595.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <601419.79595.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9FCF039F-FC60-4BC7-8DE6-B8099BBE3970@att.net> Good information Mike, thanks. I don't want to get into this debate, there are good people on all sides, but do feel that Algers should be marked with some sort of permanent tag as an Alpine with a V8. Personally if I owned one I'd remove the Tiger badge, and badge it an Alpine V8. Folks who collect US cents might draw an analogy to the rarest US cent - 1799. Second in fun to selling rare worn examples at high prices is displaying extraordinary counterfeits made through the last 2 centuries that can fool all but the experts... Similar to a Tiger getting TAC'd, a 1799 also can get authenticated...and a counterfeit also can get "authenticated." Just my 0.02$ worth... Allan On Aug 6, 2010, at 10:30 AM, mike schreiner wrote: > Alan, You could probably buy this Alger for the same (or a little more) money than you paid for your Tiger....and you wouldnt have any work or expense restoring it....it would feel EXACTLY the same going down the road. I think it will sell for close to 20k as it is a nice example.....Typically an Alger is about 1/2 in selling price than an original car....this ebay listing shows that when they are sold most owners wil say what it is....I never plan to sell mine, it will pass on to my daughter and then her child one day....but I have instructed her that if it is ever sold for some reason that it is a clone and not a factory v8 car. Also I personally informed Norm with my vin as an Alger years ago when I started the project. Just because a clone car has Tiger badges and vin does not mean it will be sold frauduantly.... mike Schreiner > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com Fri Aug 6 14:21:29 2010 From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 15:21:29 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Alger In-Reply-To: <518320.77444.qm@web120101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <486571.94255.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <518320.77444.qm@web120101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001101cb35a4$f4e4dfe0$deae9fa0$@com> Alright you two...meet at the bike racks at 3:00....we'll settle this..... From slaifman at socal.rr.com Fri Aug 6 14:27:55 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 13:27:55 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger marked Alpine and Tiger value In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C5C704B.2000700@socal.rr.com> Spook, Whatever someone that knows it was, originally, an Alpine with a V-8 inserted at some later date, and NOT a Tiger. Doubt if auction houses would list it as described, but value is set by a willing seller and a willing buyer with non of the facts concealed. "I reckon that's one good looking pig, if you'd remove the lipstick!" "Hey man, that's no pig, that's my sister your talkin' about" Caveat Emptor Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com spook01 at comcast.net wrote: > So, guys, what is a driver alger worth? > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Steve Laifman" > Date: Thu, Aug 5, 2010 19:28 > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger marked Alpine and Tiger value > To: "Tony Somebody" > Cc: "Beamclub" > > > Tony, > > The name "Tiger" has copyright in Germany and France, So it was > re-badged and sold as as an "Alpine 260" > There also were South African assembled Tigers, with the Tiger name. > > Norm Miller provided the details in his TBON book. <===== snip =====> > _ From e.coiner at cox.net Fri Aug 6 15:34:45 2010 From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 14:34:45 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Green Alger In-Reply-To: <601419.79595.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100806173445.G1BV5.52664.imail@fed1rmwml29> I'll be real blunt. If you have no intent for fraud, you would not put the transfer the Tiger VIN plate onto the Alpine. You would leave the Alpine VIN intact. ---- mike schreiner wrote: > Alan, You could probably buy this Alger for the same (or a little more) money than you paid for your Tiger....and you wouldnt have any work or expense restoring it....it would feel EXACTLY the same going down the road. I think it will sell for close to 20k as it is a nice example.....Typically an Alger is about 1/2 in selling price than an original car....this ebay listing shows that when they are sold most owners wil say what it is....I never plan to sell mine, it will pass on to my daughter and then her child one day....but I have instructed her that if it is ever sold for some reason that it is a clone and not a factory v8 car. Also I personally informed Norm with my vin as an Alger years ago when I started the project. Just because a clone car has Tiger badges and vin does not mean it will be sold frauduantly.... mike Schreiner > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner at cox.net From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com Fri Aug 6 16:23:42 2010 From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 17:23:42 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Alger In-Reply-To: <8B3600EA545A4CDEAC1243C0C4D44501@DellD4700> References: <005301cb3578$6d17e020$4747a060$@com> <8B3600EA545A4CDEAC1243C0C4D44501@DellD4700> Message-ID: <001a01cb35b6$08061f10$18125d30$@com> Well, Mike is a good friend of mine, and I don't want to change that. He has gone out of his way to assist me on things, and contributes greatly to the sunbeam community for tech, research, parts etc. So I'm carefull sharing my opinion..but it's just my opinion.........but..... I have to say that I agree...transplanting VINs from one car to another...I believe....is not good. I actually think that if we had an extremely "Tiger correct" looking alpine....cloned into a Tiger in every way cosmetically...call it a tribute or replica, conversion...whatever...ALGER.....I think I would still be ok with it personally as long as it had its correct original VIN for the Alpine. Ultimately that is the label that specifies just what ever car in the world actually is. I think that is the threshold for me where Algers become ....misleading for what they are. The looks doesn't bother me...just the registered, legal ident plate...winding up on the wrong car. In the wrong hands, thats dangerous. I wouldn't want to buy a Shelby mustang, or a yenko camaro, or anything else that had the wrong plate on it under the assumption I was getting the one of a kind collectible, only to find out later it wasn't the right car at all. That would severely ruin my day. C Subject: RE: [Tigers] Alger Cullen and group, To me, the question is whether or not the original VIN plate is on the car. This one clearly isn't, which to me, clearly makes it a fraud and illegal to sell in every state of which I am aware. A. C. Tynes New Orleans From CoolVT at aol.com Fri Aug 6 16:29:44 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 18:29:44 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Green Alger Message-ID: I know an owner who bought a rusted out Tiger with the intent of restoring it. When he got into it, he got really discouraged, swapped all the Tiger parts into one of his Alpines and junked the Tiger. He sold the Alger telling the buyer that it was an Alpine, but then gave him the Tiger VIN to do with whatever he wanted. Not sure why, but my guess it was to add a little sugar to the deal. Who knows what will happen in the future with that car, but Norm now has the VIN number so much of the community will be made aware if someone tries to pass it off. In a message dated 8/6/2010 6:21:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, e.coiner at cox.net writes: I'll be real blunt. If you have no intent for fraud, you would not put the transfer the Tiger VIN plate onto the Alpine. You would leave the Alpine VIN intact. ---- mike schreiner wrote: > Alan, You could probably buy this Alger for the same (or a little more) money than you paid for your Tiger....and you wouldnt have any work or expense restoring it....it would feel EXACTLY the same going down the road. I think it will sell for close to 20k as it is a nice example.....Typically an Alger is about 1/2 in selling price than an original car....this ebay listing shows that when they are sold most owners wil say what it is....I never plan to sell mine, it will pass on to my daughter and then her child one day....but I have instructed her that if it is ever sold for some reason that it is a clone and not a factory v8 car. Also I personally informed Norm with my vin as an Alger years ago when I started the project. Just because a clone car has Tiger badges and vin does not mean it will be sold frauduantly.... mike Schreiner > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner at cox.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From hokey at oasisol.com Fri Aug 6 16:50:37 2010 From: hokey at oasisol.com (Mike Hokanson) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 15:50:37 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger VIN Transfer Message-ID: <004a01cb35b9$c9c3b7e0$0a020a0a@iggy> It seems the nice green Alpine has been quite a subject of discussion. Lots of views/opinions here. But in reality, I think the main issue concerned here is the fact a VIN plate was altered/changed and is on another vehicle. When you do something like this, it's a no-no. Utilizing VIN plates that are stashed in desk drawers and utilized at their discretion is not a smart practice. Bottom line - it shouldn't matter whether it was done on a Tiger, Alpine, Pinto, Honda or any other car. I personally think a highly modified Alpine is a great way to go if you really want to drive and enjoy the car. My '67 Alpine has the correct numbers and is titled as such because that's the right thing to do. I can cut, modify, rearrange components and do creative things involving the installation of today's tech in the old sheetmetal and end up with a very custom sportscar that can be enjoyed without fear of losing a Tiger shell at the intersection due to some kid texting on her phone. I'm curious at the price the car sells for on Ebay, mainly because it's a nice, clean sportscar that someone put a lot of time and money into creating. But the VIN has been knowingly altered on the car, irregardless of what car it's from. That's a red flag to me, and should be to others as well that have an interest in buying the car. Imagine the possibility of the car getting confiscated due to unlawful activity? There's a possibility that none of us will see the final selling numbers due to the listing being pulled if it becomes apparent that there may be a lawful issue. Someone said it here earlier - the original Alpine numbers should have been retained and there wouldn't be any mistake as to what the car really is - an Alpine with a motor transplant. Just my .02. From gpointer at telusplanet.net Fri Aug 6 17:23:30 2010 From: gpointer at telusplanet.net (Pointers) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 17:23:30 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Barely running - suddenly - input pls? Message-ID: <2E3FA91127394F458DE4BE3772EADB54@TIGERV8> Ran fine last outing. Now it will start, but barely runs; very rough. Unable to increase rpm at all. All comes to an end in <15 seconds, often with a backfire. Hint: Last time out, it got very hot. Got caught in road construction a mile away. Approx 220F+ when I parked it. I suppose the fuel likely boiled in the bowls. Do not have a spacer or heat shield. Ran the electric fan, with hood up, for 20 min after parking. I didn't check to see how hot the temp crept up after I parked it. What I have done or checked today: -The fuel pump was real slow to pressure up this year, so replaced that with a new one from SS. Pumps up fine now. -Replaced the fuel filter and blew out the fuel line while the pump was out. -There were many black flakes in old pump. I suppose this is tank coating. I presume the inline fuel filter trapped any of this prior to reaching the carb. Took the (paper type) filter apart and there was a bit of the stuff. After the above work was completed, identical result. Squeezed the throttle, with the engine off, and the carb appears to be delivering plenty of fuel. Holly 1850, rebuilt 1000 miles ago. Engine = internally stock 302. Mods=Offy 360 manifold; Mallory dual point ignition; Accel Super Stock coil. I need the car for an event tomorrow. What am I dealing with here?? Thank you, Gary Pointer From CoolVT at aol.com Fri Aug 6 18:09:18 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 20:09:18 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger VIN Transfer Message-ID: Wonder if the selling dealer knows the vin has been switched. He seems to be covering his butt by saying it's an Alpine. Would he be foolish enough to show the vin if he knew it has been swapped? In a message dated 8/6/2010 7:45:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hokey at oasisol.com writes: It seems the nice green Alpine has been quite a subject of discussion. Lots of views/opinions here. But in reality, I think the main issue concerned here is the fact a VIN plate was altered/changed and is on another vehicle. When you do something like this, it's a no-no. Utilizing VIN plates that are stashed in desk drawers and utilized at their discretion is not a smart practice. Bottom line - it shouldn't matter whether it was done on a Tiger, Alpine, Pinto, Honda or any other car. I personally think a highly modified Alpine is a great way to go if you really want to drive and enjoy the car. My '67 Alpine has the correct numbers and is titled as such because that's the right thing to do. I can cut, modify, rearrange components and do creative things involving the installation of today's tech in the old sheetmetal and end up with a very custom sportscar that can be enjoyed without fear of losing a Tiger shell at the intersection due to some kid texting on her phone. I'm curious at the price the car sells for on Ebay, mainly because it's a nice, clean sportscar that someone put a lot of time and money into creating. But the VIN has been knowingly altered on the car, irregardless of what car it's from. That's a red flag to me, and should be to others as well that have an interest in buying the car. Imagine the possibility of the car getting confiscated due to unlawful activity? There's a possibility that none of us will see the final selling numbers due to the listing being pulled if it becomes apparent that there may be a lawful issue. Someone said it here earlier - the original Alpine numbers should have been retained and there wouldn't be any mistake as to what the car really is - an Alpine with a motor transplant. Just my .02. _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From CoolVT at aol.com Fri Aug 6 18:20:03 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 20:20:03 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Barely running - suddenly - input pls? Message-ID: After finding black flakes before, my guess is that you have more and are due for a tank cleaning/coating. My car was apparently shedding large flakes. It might run fine for 3 or 4 weeks and then run crappy. It was apparently a large flake blocking the inlet to the line. Would be there and float away later. Redid the tanks and problem solved. mark In a message dated 8/6/2010 8:02:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gpointer at telusplanet.net writes: Ran fine last outing. Now it will start, but barely runs; very rough. Unable to increase rpm at all. All comes to an end in <15 seconds, often with a backfire. Hint: Last time out, it got very hot. Got caught in road construction a mile away. Approx 220F+ when I parked it. I suppose the fuel likely boiled in the bowls. Do not have a spacer or heat shield. Ran the electric fan, with hood up, for 20 min after parking. I didn't check to see how hot the temp crept up after I parked it. What I have done or checked today: -The fuel pump was real slow to pressure up this year, so replaced that with a new one from SS. Pumps up fine now. -Replaced the fuel filter and blew out the fuel line while the pump was out. -There were many black flakes in old pump. I suppose this is tank coating. I presume the inline fuel filter trapped any of this prior to reaching the carb. Took the (paper type) filter apart and there was a bit of the stuff. After the above work was completed, identical result. Squeezed the throttle, with the engine off, and the carb appears to be delivering plenty of fuel. Holly 1850, rebuilt 1000 miles ago. Engine = internally stock 302. Mods=Offy 360 manifold; Mallory dual point ignition; Accel Super Stock coil. I need the car for an event tomorrow. What am I dealing with here?? Thank you, Gary Pointer _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From mcdangerous at verizon.net Fri Aug 6 18:40:23 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 20:40:23 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Green Alger In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059675CBE7@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: I agree, Theo. Remember, I did say clearly that I think the VIN and JAL tags are off limits. All I meant was that there are people who just want to feel that the clone they're making is right in every way. I meant only that it is a way to fill a need in themselves and not to be dishonest. My analogy used a new reissue guitar that is tweaked with "correct" 1960s hardware, etc., but zero monkey business with serial numbers or brands. I used a Rickenbacker 1964 360/12 reissue as an example of the kind of guitar some Japanese and other collectors and Beatles fans would tweak to be just like George's guitar. Since only two of those were made in 1964 -- one is in George's estate and the other is owned by the family of the original owner -- it is not at all possible to even consider claiming a tweaked reissue is vintage guitar. So you see, there is no dishonesty or greed involved in this analogy, which I think might also be applicable to Algers (sometimes). Look at Mike S., for instance. He is not at all dishonest about his cars, but I'm sure he could be meticulous about them being as close to the real thing as possible...for him and himself alone, though. I hope that makes some sense. M On 8/6/10 2:13 PM, "Smit, Theo" wrote: > So you're saying this guy created a perfect "tribute" to B382000046, right > down to taking its actual VIN and JAL plates and screwing them down to the > "tribute" car? Seems to me that going that far crosses a few boundaries. > > In your guitar analogy, that would be like creating a tribute to a particular > guitar by taking its Fender badge (or whatever passes for serialization on > guitars), the strings, and the bridge, screwing those down onto a > reproduction, and then claiming you had a 'tribute'. > > Tributes don't generally involve the destruction and subsequent impersonation > of the original. > > Theo > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- >> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of mcdangerous at verizon.net >> Sent: August 6, 2010 11:46 AM >> To: todbrown at roadrunner.com >> Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Green Alger >> >> I don't really know about that. I mean, there are people out there >> that are >> really picky about getting a "tribute" absolutely right. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole > use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please > be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or > any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > please contact the sender and delete all copies. > > Thank you for your cooperation. From mcdangerous at verizon.net Fri Aug 6 18:52:09 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 20:52:09 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger VIN Transfer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It seems clear that he does, or should. He's looking for $30k plus for the car. Here's what he told me: "We sold a 3real2 Tiger about 60 days ago for north of $60k while that market might have eroded some, not to the point where a car that is a real one should go for half that. If that is where you thought process is as it relates to pricing on this particular car, no further conversation is necessary. We are well aware of the fact that this car has in its past been represented as a 3real2 Tiger, hence our being ultra-clear (or so we thought, if there is still a question in your mind) with calling it for what it is---a conversion. It has been meticulously put together and is an excellent value." On 8/6/10 8:09 PM, "CoolVT at aol.com" wrote: > Wonder if the selling dealer knows the vin has been switched. He seems to > be covering his butt by saying it's an Alpine. Would he be foolish enough > to show the vin if he knew it has been swapped? > > > In a message dated 8/6/2010 7:45:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > hokey at oasisol.com writes: > > It seems the nice green Alpine has been quite a subject of discussion. > Lots > of views/opinions here. But in reality, I think the main issue concerned > here > is the fact a VIN plate was altered/changed and is on another vehicle. > When > you do something like this, it's a no-no. Utilizing VIN plates that are > stashed in desk drawers and utilized at their discretion is not a smart > practice. Bottom line - it shouldn't matter whether it was done on a > Tiger, > Alpine, Pinto, Honda or any other car. I personally think a highly > modified > Alpine is a great way to go if you really want to drive and enjoy the car. > My > '67 Alpine has the correct numbers and is titled as such because that's the > right thing to do. I can cut, modify, rearrange components and do creative > things involving the installation of today's tech in the old sheetmetal and > end up with a very custom sportscar that can be enjoyed without fear of > losing > a Tiger shell at the intersection due to some kid texting on her phone. > I'm > curious at the price the car sells for on Ebay, mainly because it's a nice, > clean sportscar that someone put a lot of time and money into creating. > But > the VIN has been knowingly altered on the car, irregardless of what car > it's > from. That's a red flag to me, and should be to others as well that have > an > interest in buying the car. Imagine the possibility of the car getting > confiscated due to unlawful activity? There's a possibility that none of > us > will see the final selling numbers due to the listing being pulled if it > becomes apparent that there may be a lawful issue. Someone said it here > earlier - the original Alpine numbers should have been retained and there > wouldn't be any mistake as to what the car really is - an Alpine with a > motor > transplant. Just my .02. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 6 18:53:54 2010 From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 17:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Swapping Vin Message-ID: <498482.97841.qm@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> You don't know for sure as you werent there when the car was put together...Last year I did a courtesy car inspection on a white Tiger that was being purchased on ebay here in Jupiter. The winning bidder asked me to inspect the car.....It was a couple of miles from my house.....I jacked it up and spent an hour crawling all over it and under it....It was a bondo car theat had two halfves welded together right at the firewall area...the back half was tiger for sure....but the front half I suspected was from an Alpine...and the car was full of bondo, door edges and hood trunk did not line up correctly....long story short the winning bidder backed out of the purchase...but my point is this car had Tiger badges, vin and title....it was made from half a tiger and half an Alpine.....is it an Alger or a repaired tiger....???? From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 6 19:01:36 2010 From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 18:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Vin Message-ID: <379711.20206.qm@web54303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The fact is I naver had a vin or title on that Alpine ( the alpine stripped shell was from a Junkyard (called Old Gold....great place) that was used to save a rusty Tiger....made two cars from one and used the only vin I had From slaifman at socal.rr.com Fri Aug 6 19:02:37 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 18:02:37 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger VIN Transfer In-Reply-To: <004a01cb35b9$c9c3b7e0$0a020a0a@iggy> References: <004a01cb35b9$c9c3b7e0$0a020a0a@iggy> Message-ID: <4C5CB0AD.5050506@socal.rr.com> Mike, Deception is a primary tool for forgers. As soon as something is wanted, someone is willing to counterfeit. This goes for postage stamps, valuable coins, "found on treasure ship" and paintings/photos when they are more valuable than it costs to forge them. Now a lot of counterfeit silver jewelry on eBay. (todays CBS TV report). I have absolutely no bad feelings about modifying an Alpine to have the performance features of a Tiger. They can allow those who like the Tiger, but can't afford one, to get very close, if not better. No harm here. However, when the cars have deliberately changed VIN plates to one that did not come with the car would then be an attempt to deceive. There is no performance advantage to cosmetic changes, and the intent of the seller is in doubt. Now, this is not meant to discourage true hot-rodder, just the ones who build with the intent to deceive. I can see no other reason to alter the registration. This is done with stolen cars as well, and the law deals strongly with stolen car being altered. I can see no other reason to change the VIN, other than an intent to deceive. More power to those want want to openly modify their Alpine. Anybody want a postage stamp with the airplane shown upside-down? Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com Mike Hokanson wrote: > It seems the nice green Alpine has been quite a subject of discussion. Lots > of views/opinions here. But in reality, I think the main issue concerned here > is the fact a VIN plate was altered/changed and is on another vehicle. When > you do something like this, it's a no-no. Utilizing VIN plates that are > stashed in desk drawers and utilized at their discretion is not a smart > practice. Bottom line - it shouldn't matter whether it was done on a Tiger, > Alpine, Pinto, Honda or any other car. I personally think a highly modified > Alpine is a great way to go if you really want to drive and enjoy the car. My > '67 Alpine has the correct numbers and is titled as such because that's the > right thing to do. I can cut, modify, rearrange components and do creative > things involving the installation of today's tech in the old sheetmetal and > end up with a very custom sportscar that can be enjoyed without fear of losing > a Tiger shell at the intersection due to some kid texting on her phone. I'm > curious at the price the car sells for on Ebay, mainly because it's a nice, > clean sportscar that someone put a lot of time and money into creating. But > the VIN has been knowingly altered on the car, irregardless of what car it's > from. That's a red flag to me, and should be to others as well that have an > interest in buying the car. Imagine the possibility of the car getting > confiscated due to unlawful activity? There's a possibility that none of us > will see the final selling numbers due to the listing being pulled if it > becomes apparent that there may be a lawful issue. Someone said it here > earlier - the original Alpine numbers should have been retained and there > wouldn't be any mistake as to what the car really is - an Alpine with a motor > transplant. Just my .02. From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com Fri Aug 6 19:06:26 2010 From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 18:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Alger Badges Message-ID: <377131.20755.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Allan had a good idea...I would put Alpine V8 badges on my car (if i had some) Didnt the very early or prototype cars have that badge? Opps someone might accuse me of fraud by making one I can try to sell as one of those mike From gpointer at telusplanet.net Fri Aug 6 19:10:55 2010 From: gpointer at telusplanet.net (Pointers) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 19:10:55 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Barely running - suddenly - input pls? Message-ID: Scott Hutchinson was first to reply, that I should check the timing, and he was bang on! To my surprise, the distributor was loose. That heat-up must have expanded/contracted the hold down, then when I hit the ignition, it rotated. (Or so I figure). Anyhow, calling off the dogs on that. But now for some reason, my new fuel pump is no longer delivering fuel. Disconnected it at the carb, and no throughput. Delivered fine after install. No action at all presently. Back to the garage... Scott, kudos! Thank you! ----- Original Message ----- From: Pointers To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:23 PM Subject: Barely running - suddenly - input pls? Ran fine last outing. Now it will start, but barely runs; very rough. Unable to increase rpm at all. All comes to an end in <15 seconds, often with a backfire. Hint: Last time out, it got very hot. Got caught in road construction a mile away. Approx 220F+ when I parked it. I suppose the fuel likely boiled in the bowls. Do not have a spacer or heat shield. Ran the electric fan, with hood up, for 20 min after parking. I didn't check to see how hot the temp crept up after I parked it. What I have done or checked today: -The fuel pump was real slow to pressure up this year, so replaced that with a new one from SS. Pumps up fine now. -Replaced the fuel filter and blew out the fuel line while the pump was out. -There were many black flakes in old pump. I suppose this is tank coating. I presume the inline fuel filter trapped any of this prior to reaching the carb. Took the (paper type) filter apart and there was a bit of the stuff. After the above work was completed, identical result. Squeezed the throttle, with the engine off, and the carb appears to be delivering plenty of fuel. Holly 1850, rebuilt 1000 miles ago. Engine = internally stock 302. Mods=Offy 360 manifold; Mallory dual point ignition; Accel Super Stock coil. I need the car for an event tomorrow. What am I dealing with here?? Thank you, Gary Pointer From CoolVT at aol.com Fri Aug 6 19:12:30 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 21:12:30 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger VIN Transfer Message-ID: Wonder what he's going to say if the car is sold and confiscated by some DMV for the swapped VIN? In a message dated 8/6/2010 8:52:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mcdangerous at verizon.net writes: It seems clear that he does, or should. He's looking for $30k plus for the car. Here's what he told me: "We sold a B3realB2 Tiger about 60 days ago for north of $60kE while that market might have eroded some, not to the point where a car that is a real one should go for half that. If that is where you thought process is as it relates to pricing on this particular car, no further conversation is necessary. We are well aware of the fact that this car has in its past been represented as a B3realB2 Tiger, hence our being ultra-clear (or so we thought, if there is still a question in your mind) with calling it for what it is---a conversion. It has been meticulously put together and is an excellent value." On 8/6/10 8:09 PM, "CoolVT at aol.com" wrote: > Wonder if the selling dealer knows the vin has been switched. He seems to > be covering his butt by saying it's an Alpine. Would he be foolish enough > to show the vin if he knew it has been swapped? > > > In a message dated 8/6/2010 7:45:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > hokey at oasisol.com writes: > > It seems the nice green Alpine has been quite a subject of discussion. > Lots > of views/opinions here. But in reality, I think the main issue c oncerned > here > is the fact a VIN plate was altered/changed and is on another vehicle. > When > you do something like this, it's a no-no. Utilizing VIN plates that are > stashed in desk drawers and utilized at their discretion is not a smart > practice. Bottom line - it shouldn't matter whether it was done on a > Tiger, > Alpine, Pinto, Honda or any other car. I personally think a highly > modified > Alpine is a great way to go if you really want to drive and enjoy the car. > My > '67 Alpine has the correct numbers and is titled as such because that's the > right thing to do. I can cut, modify, rearrange components and do creative > things involving the installation of today's tech in the old sheetmetal and > end up with a very custom sportscar that can be enjoyed without fear of > losing > a Tiger shell at the intersection due to some kid texting on her phone. > I'm > curious at the price the car sells for on Ebay, mainly because it's a nice, > clean sportscar that someone put a lot of time and money into creating. > But > the VIN has been knowingly altered on the car, irregardless of what car > it's > from. That's a red flag to me, and should be to others as well that have > an > interest in buying the car. Imagine the possibility of the car getting > confiscated due to unlawful activity? There's a possibility that none of > us > will see the final selling numbers due to the listing being pulled if it > becomes apparent that there may be a lawful issue. Someone said it here > earlier - the original Alpine numbers should have been retained and there > wouldn't be any mistake as to what the car really is - an Alpine with a > motor > transplant. Just my .02. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net From mcdangerous at verizon.net Fri Aug 6 19:17:24 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 21:17:24 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger VIN Transfer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I asked him the same question...no answer. On 8/6/10 9:12 PM, "CoolVT at aol.com" wrote: > Wonder what he's going to say if the car is sold and confiscated by some DMV > for the swapped VIN? > > In a message dated 8/6/2010 8:52:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > mcdangerous at verizon.net writes: >> It seems clear that he does, or should. He's looking for $30k plus for the >> car. Here's what he told me: >> >> "We sold a B3realB2 Tiger about 60 days ago for north of $60kE while that >> market might have eroded some, not to the point where a car that is a real >> one should go for half that. If that is where you thought process is as it >> relates to pricing on this particular car, no further conversation is >> necessary. >> >> We are well aware of the fact that this car has in its past been represented >> as a B3realB2 Tiger, hence our being ultra-clear (or so we thought, if there >> is still a question in your mind) with calling it for what it is---a >> conversion. It has been meticulously put together and is an excellent >> value." >> >> >> >> On 8/6/10 8:09 PM, "CoolVT at aol.com" wrote: >> >>> Wonder if the selling dealer knows the vin has been switched. He seems to >>> be covering his butt by saying it's an Alpine. Would he be foolish enough >>> to show the vin if he knew it has been swapped? >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 8/6/2010 7:45:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>> hokey at oasisol.com writes: >>> >>> It seems the nice green Alpine has been quite a subject of discussion. >>> Lots >>> of views/opinions here. But in reality, I think the main issue concerned >>> here >>> is the fact a VIN plate was altered/changed and is on another vehicle. >>> When >>> you do something like this, it's a no-no. Utilizing VIN plates that are >>> stashed in desk drawers and utilized at their discretion is not a smart >>> practice. Bottom line - it shouldn't matter whether it was done on a >>> Tiger, >>> Alpine, Pinto, Honda or any other car. I personally think a highly >>> modified >>> Alpine is a great way to go if you really want to drive and enjoy the car. >>> My >>> '67 Alpine has the correct numbers and is titled as such because that's >>> the >>> right thing to do. I can cut, modify, rearrange components and do >>> creative >>> things involving the installation of today's tech in the old sheetmetal >>> and >>> end up with a very custom sportscar that can be enjoyed without fear of >>> losing >>> a Tiger shell at the intersection due to some kid texting on her phone. >>> I'm >>> curious at the price the car sells for on Ebay, mainly because it's a >>> nice, >>> clean sportscar that someone put a lot of time and money into creating. >>> But >>> the VIN has been knowingly altered on the car, irregardless of what car >>> it's >>> from. That's a red flag to me, and should be to others as well that have >>> an >>> interest in buying the car. Imagine the possibility of the car getting >>> confiscated due to unlawful activity? There's a possibility that none of >>> us >>> will see the final selling numbers due to the listing being pulled if it >>> becomes apparent that there may be a lawful issue. Someone said it here >>> earlier - the original Alpine numbers should have been retained and there >>> wouldn't be any mistake as to what the car really is - an Alpine with a >>> motor >>> transplant. Just my .02. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tigers at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tigers at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net From michael.s.king at gmail.com Fri Aug 6 19:29:50 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 11:29:50 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Green alger history Message-ID: I mentioend that this car has been on Norm's site for some time but since most people seem to have ignored norms site: http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/tac/clone-page01.htm This gives you some backgorund... and th fact that originaly it was passed off as a Tiger before the nature of its origins was discovered. -- Regards Michael King From gpointer at telusplanet.net Fri Aug 6 19:44:49 2010 From: gpointer at telusplanet.net (Pointers) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 19:44:49 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Barely running - suddenly - input pls? Message-ID: <7B91BED5EB00466097531FCE67EE38E3@TIGERV8> Connected the contacts to the old fuel pump, and the old one works, so not a circuit issue. Took off the new fuel filter (it said not for pumps > 10 psi. Not sure what the SS pump pressures to). Still no fuel. Pulling the pump out. Sheesh. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pointers To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Barely running - suddenly - input pls? Scott Hutchinson was first to reply, that I should check the timing, and he was bang on! To my surprise, the distributor was loose. That heat-up must have expanded/contracted the hold down, then when I hit the ignition, it rotated. (Or so I figure). Anyhow, calling off the dogs on that. But now for some reason, my new fuel pump is no longer delivering fuel. Disconnected it at the carb, and no throughput. Delivered fine after install. No action at all presently. Back to the garage... Scott, kudos! Thank you! ----- Original Message ----- From: Pointers To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:23 PM Subject: Barely running - suddenly - input pls? Ran fine last outing. Now it will start, but barely runs; very rough. Unable to increase rpm at all. All comes to an end in <15 seconds, often with a backfire. Hint: Last time out, it got very hot. Got caught in road construction a mile away. Approx 220F+ when I parked it. I suppose the fuel likely boiled in the bowls. Do not have a spacer or heat shield. Ran the electric fan, with hood up, for 20 min after parking. I didn't check to see how hot the temp crept up after I parked it. What I have done or checked today: -The fuel pump was real slow to pressure up this year, so replaced that with a new one from SS. Pumps up fine now. -Replaced the fuel filter and blew out the fuel line while the pump was out. -There were many black flakes in old pump. I suppose this is tank coating. I presume the inline fuel filter trapped any of this prior to reaching the carb. Took the (paper type) filter apart and there was a bit of the stuff. After the above work was completed, identical result. Squeezed the throttle, with the engine off, and the carb appears to be delivering plenty of fuel. Holly 1850, rebuilt 1000 miles ago. Engine = internally stock 302. Mods=Offy 360 manifold; Mallory dual point ignition; Accel Super Stock coil. I need the car for an event tomorrow. What am I dealing with here?? Thank you, Gary Pointer From gpointer at telusplanet.net Fri Aug 6 21:20:51 2010 From: gpointer at telusplanet.net (Pointers) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 21:20:51 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Barely running - suddenly - input pls? Message-ID: <506BB2D75DF44EC4AE4E446E0638EC37@TIGERV8> Couple of loving taps and the fuel new pump came to life. As Mayf had said in a message to me, the loose distrib nut was probably a lark. I cranked it while fully loosened and it didn't rotate. Something else is amiss. I slowly moved the dist around while I cranked and it only came to life near full lock right, but ran poor. Spoke to Tony. Will try some things. Probably after the weekend. This cat's staying home from the party. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pointers To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 7:44 PM Subject: Re: Barely running - suddenly - input pls? Connected the contacts to the old fuel pump, and the old one works, so not a circuit issue. Took off the new fuel filter (it said not for pumps > 10 psi. Not sure what the SS pump pressures to). Still no fuel. Pulling the pump out. Sheesh. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pointers To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Barely running - suddenly - input pls? Scott Hutchinson was first to reply, that I should check the timing, and he was bang on! To my surprise, the distributor was loose. That heat-up must have expanded/contracted the hold down, then when I hit the ignition, it rotated. (Or so I figure). Anyhow, calling off the dogs on that. But now for some reason, my new fuel pump is no longer delivering fuel. Disconnected it at the carb, and no throughput. Delivered fine after install. No action at all presently. Back to the garage... Scott, kudos! Thank you! ----- Original Message ----- From: Pointers To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:23 PM Subject: Barely running - suddenly - input pls? Ran fine last outing. Now it will start, but barely runs; very rough. Unable to increase rpm at all. All comes to an end in <15 seconds, often with a backfire. Hint: Last time out, it got very hot. Got caught in road construction a mile away. Approx 220F+ when I parked it. I suppose the fuel likely boiled in the bowls. Do not have a spacer or heat shield. Ran the electric fan, with hood up, for 20 min after parking. I didn't check to see how hot the temp crept up after I parked it. What I have done or checked today: -The fuel pump was real slow to pressure up this year, so replaced that with a new one from SS. Pumps up fine now. -Replaced the fuel filter and blew out the fuel line while the pump was out. -There were many black flakes in old pump. I suppose this is tank coating. I presume the inline fuel filter trapped any of this prior to reaching the carb. Took the (paper type) filter apart and there was a bit of the stuff. After the above work was completed, identical result. Squeezed the throttle, with the engine off, and the carb appears to be delivering plenty of fuel. Holly 1850, rebuilt 1000 miles ago. Engine = internally stock 302. Mods=Offy 360 manifold; Mallory dual point ignition; Accel Super Stock coil. I need the car for an event tomorrow. What am I dealing with here?? Thank you, Gary Pointer From sganz at pacbell.net Fri Aug 6 22:20:30 2010 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 21:20:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Barely running - suddenly - input pls? In-Reply-To: <506BB2D75DF44EC4AE4E446E0638EC37@TIGERV8> References: <506BB2D75DF44EC4AE4E446E0638EC37@TIGERV8> Message-ID: <815365.62261.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have had to 'coerce' the fuel pump with a hammer when my Tiger sits for a long time. Seems to part of the Heritage :) Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Pointers To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 8:20:51 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Barely running - suddenly - input pls? Couple of loving taps and the fuel new pump came to life. As Mayf had said in a message to me, the loose distrib nut was probably a lark. I cranked it while fully loosened and it didn't rotate. Something else is amiss. I slowly moved the dist around while I cranked and it only came to life near full lock right, but ran poor. Spoke to Tony. Will try some things. Probably after the weekend. This cat's staying home from the party. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pointers To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 7:44 PM Subject: Re: Barely running - suddenly - input pls? Connected the contacts to the old fuel pump, and the old one works, so not a circuit issue. Took off the new fuel filter (it said not for pumps > 10 psi. Not sure what the SS pump pressures to). Still no fuel. Pulling the pump out. Sheesh. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pointers To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 7:10 PM Subject: Re: Barely running - suddenly - input pls? Scott Hutchinson was first to reply, that I should check the timing, and he was bang on! To my surprise, the distributor was loose. That heat-up must have expanded/contracted the hold down, then when I hit the ignition, it rotated. (Or so I figure). Anyhow, calling off the dogs on that. But now for some reason, my new fuel pump is no longer delivering fuel. Disconnected it at the carb, and no throughput. Delivered fine after install. No action at all presently. Back to the garage... Scott, kudos! Thank you! ----- Original Message ----- From: Pointers To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:23 PM Subject: Barely running - suddenly - input pls? Ran fine last outing. Now it will start, but barely runs; very rough. Unable to increase rpm at all. All comes to an end in <15 seconds, often with a backfire. Hint: Last time out, it got very hot. Got caught in road construction a mile away. Approx 220F+ when I parked it. I suppose the fuel likely boiled in the bowls. Do not have a spacer or heat shield. Ran the electric fan, with hood up, for 20 min after parking. I didn't check to see how hot the temp crept up after I parked it. What I have done or checked today: -The fuel pump was real slow to pressure up this year, so replaced that with a new one from SS. Pumps up fine now. -Replaced the fuel filter and blew out the fuel line while the pump was out. -There were many black flakes in old pump. I suppose this is tank coating. I presume the inline fuel filter trapped any of this prior to reaching the carb. Took the (paper type) filter apart and there was a bit of the stuff. After the above work was completed, identical result. Squeezed the throttle, with the engine off, and the carb appears to be delivering plenty of fuel. Holly 1850, rebuilt 1000 miles ago. Engine = internally stock 302. Mods=Offy 360 manifold; Mallory dual point ignition; Accel Super Stock coil. I need the car for an event tomorrow. What am I dealing with here?? Thank you, Gary Pointer _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz at pacbell.net From v8tracker at gmail.com Fri Aug 6 22:50:23 2010 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 23:50:23 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger VIN Transfer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, according to his e-mail to me, the dealer is fully aware that the VIN has been switched and excuses it by saying, "The rules as they relate to older cars no doubt gets a bit murky." He also say the has been sold several times and titled with the switched VIN being on the title. A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 7:09 PM > To: hokey at oasisol.com; Tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger VIN Transfer > > Wonder if the selling dealer knows the vin has been > switched. He seems to be covering his butt by saying it's an > Alpine. Would he be foolish enough to show the vin if he > knew it has been swapped? > > > In a message dated 8/6/2010 7:45:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > hokey at oasisol.com writes: > > It seems the nice green Alpine has been quite a subject of > discussion. > Lots > of views/opinions here. But in reality, I think the main > issue concerned > here > is the fact a VIN plate was altered/changed and is on another > vehicle. > When > you do something like this, it's a no-no. Utilizing VIN > plates that are > stashed in desk drawers and utilized at their discretion is > not a smart > practice. Bottom line - it shouldn't matter whether it was > done on a > Tiger, > Alpine, Pinto, Honda or any other car. I personally think a highly > modified > Alpine is a great way to go if you really want to drive and > enjoy the car. > My > '67 Alpine has the correct numbers and is titled as such > because that's the > right thing to do. I can cut, modify, rearrange components > and do creative > things involving the installation of today's tech in the old > sheetmetal and > end up with a very custom sportscar that can be enjoyed > without fear of > losing > a Tiger shell at the intersection due to some kid texting on > her phone. > I'm > curious at the price the car sells for on Ebay, mainly > because it's a nice, > clean sportscar that someone put a lot of time and money into > creating. > But > the VIN has been knowingly altered on the car, irregardless > of what car > it's > from. That's a red flag to me, and should be to others as > well that have > an > interest in buying the car. Imagine the possibility of the > car getting > confiscated due to unlawful activity? There's a possibility > that none of > us > will see the final selling numbers due to the listing being > pulled if it > becomes apparent that there may be a lawful issue. Someone > said it here > earlier - the original Alpine numbers should have been > retained and there > wouldn't be any mistake as to what the car really is - an > Alpine with a > motor > transplant. Just my .02. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker at gmail.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3047 - Release > Date: 08/03/10 01:35:00 From w1gsl at MIT.EDU Fri Aug 6 23:24:55 2010 From: w1gsl at MIT.EDU (Steven L. Finberg) Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 01:24:55 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Barely running - suddenly - input pls? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 06 Aug 2010 21:20:30 PDT." <815365.62261.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <201008070524.o775OtwS016175@outgoing.mit.edu> > -There were many black flakes in old pump. I suppose this is tank coating. I presume the inline fuel filter trapped any of this prior to reaching the carb. Took the (paper type) filter apart and there was a bit of the stuff. > I need >the car for an event tomorrow. What am I dealing with here?? The death throws of your gas tanks... The black flakes will eventually clog the exit point of the tanks.. where the fuel line leaves the pipe between the left and right tank. Blowing out the line will only clear it for a short time.. The exit point is the low spot and the flakes flow right back to it.. Once it got bad, blowing out the line would last less than 5 miles... First noticed this in my Alpines 20 years ago.. The only fix that held up was recoating the tank interor. It was really hard to get all the old paint out.. It was well attached and was sort of time release flaking...:-) Good luck Steve F ******************************************************************************* Steve Finberg W1GSL w1gsl at mit.edu PO Box 397082 MIT Br Cambridge MA 02139-7082 617 258 3754 ******************************************************************************* From achd73 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 7 00:16:19 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 23:16:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Barely running - suddenly - input pls? In-Reply-To: <201008070524.o775OtwS016175@outgoing.mit.edu> Message-ID: <872427.83400.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ratchet strap the tanks to a concrete mixer, fill it with a good cutting media, from small rocks, pieces of glass, shotgun pellets etc etc etc. plus or cap the openings and turn on the mixer, it will cut all the stuff loose or use a chemical strip. I'm sure some sulfuric acid, cut down from pure(I would have to ask a friend who works with it often) to a % that would remove the old lining, then nutralize the acid and coat with one of the products reccomended by a person who has already installed the product and has positive feedback. I think most members have had an easy time of removing the old coating. IF it wantd to stay, perhaps the coated over it?????? Cheers, TtT --- On Sat, 8/7/10, Steven L. Finberg wrote: From: Steven L. Finberg Subject: Re: [Tigers] Barely running - suddenly - input pls? To: "Sandy Ganz" Cc: "Pointers" , tigers at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, August 7, 2010, 12:24 AM > -There were many black flakes in old pump. I suppose this is tank coating. I presume the inline fuel filter trapped any of this prior to reaching the carb. Took the (paper type) filter apart and there was a bit of the stuff. > I need >the car for an event tomorrow. What am I dealing with here?? The death throws of your gas tanks... The black flakes will eventually clog the exit point of the tanks.. where the fuel line leaves the pipe between the left and right tank. Blowing out the line will only clear it for a short time.. The exit point is the low spot and the flakes flow right back to it.. Once it got bad, blowing out the line would last less than 5 miles... First noticed this in my Alpines 20 years ago.. The only fix that held up was recoating the tank interor. It was really hard to get all the old paint out.. It was well attached and was sort of time release flaking...:-) Good luck Steve F ***************************************************************************** ** Steve Finberg W1GSL w1gsl at mit.edu PO Box 397082 MIT Br Cambridge MA 02139-7082 617 258 3754 ***************************************************************************** ** _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From CoolVT at aol.com Sat Aug 7 05:22:55 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 07:22:55 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Barely running - suddenly - input pls? Message-ID: Tony, The cement mixed idea is one I never heard of. Pretty ingenious. At least that's something that some of us might have access to. Mark From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sat Aug 7 07:30:55 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 23:30:55 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Alger Badges In-Reply-To: <377131.20755.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <377131.20755.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mike the European cars had ALPINE 260 sheilds. On 07/08/2010, mike schreiner wrote: > Allan had a good idea...I would put Alpine V8 badges on my car (if i had > some) Didnt the very early or prototype cars have that badge? Opps someone > might accuse me of fraud by making one I can try to sell as one of those > mike > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sat Aug 7 07:38:50 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 09:38:50 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Barely running - suddenly - input pls? In-Reply-To: <506BB2D75DF44EC4AE4E446E0638EC37@TIGERV8> Message-ID: <8A65C22367AA4E4CBA7EF59D188622C8@ronpc1> Moving the distributor to full lock right may indicate that the distributor gear is worn or your timing chain is worn. One of them probably jumped a tooth. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Pointers Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 11:21 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Barely running - suddenly - input pls? Couple of loving taps and the fuel new pump came to life. As Mayf had said in a message to me, the loose distrib nut was probably a lark. I cranked it while fully loosened and it didn't rotate. Something else is amiss. I slowly moved the dist around while I cranked and it only came to life near full lock right, but ran poor. Spoke to Tony. Will try some things. Probably after the weekend. This cat's staying home from the party. From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com Sat Aug 7 07:40:38 2010 From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 08:40:38 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Green alger history In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001e01cb3636$1ff67310$5fe35930$@com> Your right Michael, I didn't check Norm's site when the discussion started and forgot it was there, or didn't realize it was the same car...so the "cat was out of the bag" (pun inteneded) on this one a long time ago....well...good talk anyway about the concept of it all and where people stand on the issue. I mentioend that this car has been on Norm's site for some time but since most people seem to have ignored norms site: http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/tac/clone-page01.htm This gives you some backgorund... and th fact that originaly it was passed off as a Tiger before the nature of its origins was discovered. -- Regards Michael King From CoolVT at aol.com Sat Aug 7 08:23:02 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 10:23:02 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Barely running - suddenly - input pls? Message-ID: Could be an ignition-timing problem, but if the car ran okay when it was put away and then wouldn't run right when restarted it doesn't sound like ignition....unless there is more than one problem. M In a message dated 8/7/2010 10:19:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rfraser at bluefrog.com writes: Moving the distributor to full lock right may indicate that the distributor gear is worn or your timing chain is worn. One of them probably jumped a tooth. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Pointers Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 11:21 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Barely running - suddenly - input pls? Couple of loving taps and the fuel new pump came to life. As Mayf had said in a message to me, the loose distrib nut was probably a lark. I cranked it while fully loosened and it didn't rotate. Something else is amiss. I slowly moved the dist around while I cranked and it only came to life near full lock right, but ran poor. Spoke to Tony. Will try some things. Probably after the weekend. This cat's staying home from the party. _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Sat Aug 7 08:52:34 2010 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 15:52:34 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Barely running - suddenly - input pls? In-Reply-To: <8A65C22367AA4E4CBA7EF59D188622C8@ronpc1> References: <506BB2D75DF44EC4AE4E446E0638EC37@TIGERV8> <8A65C22367AA4E4CBA7EF59D188622C8@ronpc1> Message-ID: sound like timing still On Saturday, August 7, 2010, Ron Fraser wrote: > Moving the distributor to full lock right may indicate that the > distributor gear is worn or your timing chain is worn. One of them > probably jumped a tooth. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Pointers > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 11:21 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Barely running - suddenly - input pls? > > > Couple of loving taps and the fuel new pump came to life. > As Mayf had said in a message to me, the loose distrib nut was probably a > lark. I cranked it while fully loosened and it didn't rotate. Something else > is amiss. I slowly moved the dist around while I cranked and it only came to > life near full lock right, but ran poor. Spoke to Tony. Will try some > things. Probably after the weekend. This cat's staying home from the party. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com From jliny5 at cox.net Sat Aug 7 16:59:17 2010 From: jliny5 at cox.net (jliny5 at cox.net) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 22:59:17 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clock In-Reply-To: References: <4C5B0A7D.7060504@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <214603393-1281221954-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1000740882-@bda728.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Steve A second thanks. The Smiths clock I have in my Mk1 is exactly as you described except it has white hands. I heard that "some" of the Smiths clocks that came in the Mk1s had the white hands. Does that sound right? Since mine is has also not working I also will also be looking to Nisonger to convert it to quartz. Jim Lindner Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Tom Parker Sender: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 18:33:02 To: Steve Laifman Cc: LIST TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clock Thanks, Steve! I have a Mark 1 clock on the way to fill the hole in my new dash, and when I have the speedometer calibrated I'll ask Peter at Nisonger to convert it to quartz. I think he does that. There are "small number" clocks for sale in England, but the ones I saw have white hands. Maybe Peter can paint them... Again, the depth of knowledge on this site is amazing. Thanks to all. Tom On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Steve Laifman wrote: > Tom, and Michael, > > Thanks for the vote of confidence, Tom. Now I "have" to answer the > question. > > Michael is correct. > > There were many clock faces used by Smiths for Sunbeam Alpines and Tigers > (all "dealer options). Bottom line: > > - The Sunbeam Tiger Mk I used Smiths CE 3030/00, which is in my car. > The 3 and 9 are sideways, and the bottom timing adjust and time set are on > the bottom sides, and the hands are red. > > Smiths CE 3030/00 > > Smiths CE 3131/01 > > In summary, > > The MkIA and MkII used Smiths CE 3131/01. The 3 and 9 are upright, and > correct number for your car. > > Unfortunately, due to List space restrictions, only you and Michael King > will get a directly sent version that does have the pictures. > > As an additional piece of information, these clocks were electric wind-up, > and may not be working. Never fear, a solution is possible. A good > instrument shop that deals in Smiths, can replace the mechanism with a > quartz VDO guts in the original shell. The VDO movement is reported to be > extremely accurate. Who knows, if mine fails, I'll have to consider this. > > Steve Laifman > > Editor > > http://TigersUnited.com > > > michael king wrote: > > The MKII used the later model clock as per sunbeam alpine SV, this has the > smaller numbers with the 9 and 3 vertical. > > its smiths part #CE3131/01 > > On 5 August 2010 05:34, Tom Parker wrote: > > > > This is mainly a question for Steve Laifman, I think he's addressed it > before; if anyone else knows please chip in: > > Steve, > > Which clock was used in the ' 67 Tiger 2? I know the diameter is 60 mm (@ 2 > 3/8") and the hands are orange, but I think I read you mentioned a > difference in the numbers. I can't find the original post. > > Tom > _______________________________________________ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of CE_3030_00.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of CE_3131_01.jpg] _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5 at cox.net From mcdangerous at verizon.net Sat Aug 7 19:05:55 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe) Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 21:05:55 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Mk2 Eyebrow In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi all. I am interested in buying a Mk2 eyebrow (grille surround) for my Tiger. I understand these are a bit wider than the Mk1 style. Does anyone have one or know of one I could buy? Please email me privately. Thanks in advance. M From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sat Aug 7 19:10:06 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 11:10:06 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clock In-Reply-To: <214603393-1281221954-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1000740882-@bda728.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <4C5B0A7D.7060504@socal.rr.com> <214603393-1281221954-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1000740882-@bda728.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: On 08/08/2010, jliny5 at cox.net wrote: > Steve > > A second thanks. The Smiths clock I have in my Mk1 is exactly as you > described except it has white hands. I heard that "some" of the Smiths > clocks that came in the Mk1s had the white hands. Does that sound right? >> Jim Lindner > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > I dont think the clock should have white hands.. the only cars that should have possibly a clock with white hands and the rest of the gauges red needled is a early S3 alpine when they corssed over from the white to red neddle instruments (S2 to S3). The red hand clocks were standard fittment for over 1 year by the time the tiger came out. That said.. it doesnt mean a delaer didnt fit a clock they happen to have in stock.. but to be corrcet it should have the red hands. Are the numbers on it correct for a Tiger clock (as in the CE numbers)? -- Regards Michael King From jliny5 at cox.net Sat Aug 7 21:14:55 2010 From: jliny5 at cox.net (jliny5 at cox.net) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 03:14:55 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clock Message-ID: <1899691952-1281237291-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1508308054-@bda728.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Oops...2194/09. The search begins. Jim ------Original Message------ From: michael king To: jliny5 at cox.net Cc: Tom Parker Cc: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net Cc: Steve Laifman Cc: LIST TIGER Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clock Sent: Aug 7, 2010 9:10 PM On 08/08/2010, jliny5 at cox.net wrote: > Steve > > A second thanks. The Smiths clock I have in my Mk1 is exactly as you > described except it has white hands. I heard that "some" of the Smiths > clocks that came in the Mk1s had the white hands. Does that sound right? >> Jim Lindner > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > I dont think the clock should have white hands.. the only cars that should have possibly a clock with white hands and the rest of the gauges red needled is a early S3 alpine when they corssed over from the white to red neddle instruments (S2 to S3). The red hand clocks were standard fittment for over 1 year by the time the tiger came out. That said.. it doesnt mean a delaer didnt fit a clock they happen to have in stock.. but to be corrcet it should have the red hands. Are the numbers on it correct for a Tiger clock (as in the CE numbers)? -- Regards Michael King Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sat Aug 7 22:19:22 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 14:19:22 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clock In-Reply-To: <1899691952-1281237291-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1508308054-@bda728.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1899691952-1281237291-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1508308054-@bda728.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Jim, Indeed. The MKI clock is a very rare item.. here are the smiths clocks used in Sunbeams: *Smiths Part No. * * Rootes Part No*. *Series or MK * *Remarks * CE.2194/08 5220274 SI + Gnd / White / 3&9 Sideways / Adj. top CE.2194/09 5220381 SI, SII + Gnd / White / 3&9 Sideways / Adj. bottom CE.2194/14 5220673 S3, SIV + Gnd / Red / 3&9 Sideways / Adj. bottom CE.3030/00 1228949 MKI only - Gnd / Red / 3&9 Sideways / Adj. bottom CE.3131/01 1235815 SV, MKIa, MKII - Gnd / Red / 3&9 Upright / Adj. bottom pictures can be seen at: http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/index.php?categoryid=82&p2_articleid=7 On 8 August 2010 13:14, wrote: > Oops...2194/09. > > The search begins. > > Jim > ------Original Message------ > From: michael king > To: jliny5 at cox.net > Cc: Tom Parker > Cc: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > Cc: Steve Laifman > Cc: LIST TIGER > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam Clock > Sent: Aug 7, 2010 9:10 PM > > On 08/08/2010, jliny5 at cox.net wrote: > > Steve > > > > A second thanks. The Smiths clock I have in my Mk1 is exactly as you > > described except it has white hands. I heard that "some" of the Smiths > > clocks that came in the Mk1s had the white hands. Does that sound right? > >> Jim Lindner > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > > I dont think the clock should have white hands.. the only cars that > should have possibly a clock with white hands and the rest of the > gauges red needled is a early S3 alpine when they corssed over from > the white to red neddle instruments (S2 to S3). > > The red hand clocks were standard fittment for over 1 year by the time > the tiger came out. That said.. it doesnt mean a delaer didnt fit a > clock they happen to have in stock.. but to be corrcet it should have > the red hands. Are the numbers on it correct for a Tiger clock (as in > the CE numbers)? > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > -- Regards Michael King From denismercier at telvic.net Sun Aug 8 06:17:14 2010 From: denismercier at telvic.net (denis mercier) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 08:17:14 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Mk2 Eyebrow References: Message-ID: <75A9782DFD2F462892778F0BE2FE4E64@D7F0WHF1> M. I have a MKII survivor for sale, car has severe rust but can be restored. Car is original and have all the specific MKII parts. Denis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Would U. Believe" To: Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 9:05 PM Subject: [Tigers] Mk2 Eyebrow > Hi all. I am interested in buying a Mk2 eyebrow (grille surround) for my > Tiger. I understand these are a bit wider than the Mk1 style. Does > anyone > have one or know of one I could buy? Please email me privately. Thanks > in > advance. M > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/denismercier at telvic.net From mgman71 at comcast.net Sun Aug 8 09:42:23 2010 From: mgman71 at comcast.net (George Re) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 15:42:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Door Stops Message-ID: <333423637.1142389.1281282143811.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Hi: I am looking for a set of tiger doors stops does anyone have any for sale or know where i can get them. Thanks again George Re 65 Tiger From rande at thecia.net Sun Aug 8 12:12:22 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 14:12:22 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger clocks Message-ID: <4c5ef386.1468.0@thecia.net> I checked my clock face information,needle color, and adjustment location, and sure enough, it matches your list for Tiger 1A's (car# 48)(read carefully, NOT #46). The Alpine section of the parts catalogue lists your Rootes part number for the clock, the section for the Tiger and Alpine 260 and V8 shows Rootes number 1229322, and is also listed in BON, but I think Rootes might have confused this number with that for the cigarette lighter kit. From tgrrr at peoplepc.com Sun Aug 8 15:49:53 2010 From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 14:49:53 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Door Stops References: <333423637.1142389.1281282143811.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4BA81142605E40C0A12A656C7539F948@bob> > Hi: I am looking for a set of tiger doors stops Would a Tiger door stop be the stock 260 engine or am I thinking of a Tiger boat anchor? Ooh! I love talking trash :-) From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Sun Aug 8 16:24:49 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 18:24:49 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Rims and Tires Message-ID: So I want to put bigger feet on the Kitty. Lots of reasons, but the basic plan is to someday upgrade the brakes, either to Dale's front / rear disk setup or the Wilwood setup Tim Suddard mentioned recently in Classic Motorsports and Wilwood confirmed is in the works. My personal experience tells me stopping is good. Almost as good as going fast, and maybe better. The car is on jack stands, so measuring for tires should be easy. Well... maybe. I built a jig that fits on the front hub since turning seems to be the main problem. The idea is to get the car a bit higher off the ground, so I figured a nominal 24" diameter tire would do the job and maybe get me a bit better mileage in the process. I set the jig up with a positive offset of @ 26mm (1 inch) because I'd read somewhere that was what needed to be on the front. A good starting point. It didn't work. Assuming 24" diameter and 8" tire body width the tire contacted the back outside edge of the valence. Fine if I wanted to go straight, but sooner or later I'm gonna have to turn. Obviously I'm missing something. So I measured a stock 4 1/2" x 13" rim. The stock offset is about a positive 1 1/2 inches. (that is, the mating surface to the hub is about an inch and a half closer to the front edge than the center line. so the tire sits further into the wheel well.) I measured this way: Lay the rim face down on the floor and measure edge to edge. Distance is 5 9/16 inches. Measure to inside lug hole is 1 3/8" with a builder's square Center line is 2.78" less hub distance of 1.375 is 1.405" positive offset (@ 35mm). Whew! Got long winded there. Here's the question: When looking at Minilite, Panasport, or Superlite wheels is their offset in addition to the factory offset of @ 35mm or in place of it? Logic tells me it has to be in addition to the stock offset, but I don't KNOW that. DrMayf? Steve? Tom? Anybody? Tom ' 67 Mark 2 From slaifman at socal.rr.com Sun Aug 8 19:13:37 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 18:13:37 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Removal of VIN number Message-ID: <4C5F5641.5020207@socal.rr.com> To add some light, not fire, to the VIN issue. I am sure these thing vary by state, like some don't use the VIN at all for registration./ In California, however: 10.7.51 of the CA. motor vehicle code: It is illegal to remove or alter the vin # of a motor vehicle.....Should an altered vin # be encountered (which includes method of attachment) at best the tag is seized, and a state tag will be placed on the vehicle in place of the original (that'll really help if you ever go to sell the car). Should the vehicle not have a secondary #, to authenticate its identity, the vehicle will be crushed. / These guys mean business. Chop shops, and other fraudulent identifications, are of concern. Here are some discussions about the removal, or alteration, of a VIN number is illegal, without specific CHP (California Highway Patrol) inspection and permission. They mean business, and serious charges can be filed. /* http://www.classictiger.com/vinopin.html */ Thanks to ClassicTiger.com article, the contributor's and a "fair and balanced" reporting. And specially to Mark Olson for the site and the content providers, and Norman Miler for his TAC efforts. Steve -- Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Aug 8 19:14:22 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 18:14:22 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Disaster strikes! Message-ID: <4C5F566E.7030500@mayfco.com> Here of late, I have been experiencing some serious computer issues. So today, I decided to see if I could find the cause. I ran a program to check for malicious software hiding in cookies and such. None found. The I ran a Norton Internet Security system scan (900,000 files, ouch!) with no issues. So then after heming and hawing I decided to do a disk cleanup. So I open the program files and went to accessories. I selected disk cleanup. I let it run though the C drive and it found that it coul dclean around 237 MB of dsk space up. So I looked over it carefully (but not carefully enough) and I cehcked a box that said Win ME/Installation files.. Gulped and hit the button. Near instant disaster. after a second or two, the screen blinked and everything that was not native XP disappeared! Literally. That included all of my excel files I developed for the web site I have, all of the speciality programs for various folk, all WOrd files are gone, all files under the my douments are gone: all the pdf files I have collected for the last 10 years... Even at that as the screen blinked, I had hit cancel hoping it would reverse the file catastrophe that had happened. Unfortunately now. The blasted thing also did nto creat a system restore point before doing the dastardly deed either. Oh, my email client also disappeared which had my 10 years of collected tiger, alpine, and race car stuff on it. If I didn't live on a ground floor I would jump out the window. I am going to continue to recover this, how, I do not know yet, but if any of you do, please shoot me a note and tell me how. Also, since my address book and everything else went out with teh email client, then how about those of you who have coresponde with me ove the years, drop me a short email so I can add you back into a addy book. Anybody I was working with, please send my your addy for sure! Dan NIcoson, send me your two email addy's? Dave Adin? What a mess, lol... mayf From w1gsl at MIT.EDU Sun Aug 8 21:01:51 2010 From: w1gsl at MIT.EDU (Steven L. Finberg) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 23:01:51 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Barely running - suddenly - input pls? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 07 Aug 2010 08:06:04 MDT." <5F21925CC4CD437E98646FD4331F2E89@TIGERV8> Message-ID: <201008090301.o7931q8A005025@outgoing.mit.edu> < Yes, I'll have to get it done. < I think it's a very slow release thing. Don't think I'm deluged with < crud. The filter didn't have much. < The only line I blew out was the output line, from the carb back. Now is the time.. The bits of crud in the filter are a side show. The real problem causing you to stop are much larger flakes completley blocking the tank exit. You can blow them back into the tank but it is very short lived.. I couldn't find any chemical I would be willing to put in the tank that would attack the chips. MEK didn't touch it... Roots used a good coating.. But it's bond to the metal is slowly failing.. I finally used quit a bit of mechanical abrasion inside the tank to get most out.. Good luck Steve F ******************************************************************************* Steve Finberg W1GSL w1gsl at mit.edu PO Box 397082 MIT Br Cambridge MA 02139-7082 617 258 3754 ******************************************************************************* From djoh797014 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 8 22:30:06 2010 From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 21:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Barely running - suddenly - input pls? In-Reply-To: <201008090301.o7931q8A005025@outgoing.mit.edu> References: <201008090301.o7931q8A005025@outgoing.mit.edu> Message-ID: <942878.55271.qm@web111619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> CAT newsletter tech tip had a 2 part series on cleaning and coating your tanks. Part 2 was printed in Feb 2004. Dave ________________________________ From: Steven L. Finberg To: Pointers Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, August 8, 2010 11:01:51 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Barely running - suddenly - input pls? < Yes, I'll have to get it done. < I think it's a very slow release thing. Don't think I'm deluged with < crud. The filter didn't have much. < The only line I blew out was the output line, from the carb back. Now is the time.. The bits of crud in the filter are a side show. The real problem causing you to stop are much larger flakes completley blocking the tank exit. You can blow them back into the tank but it is very short lived.. I couldn't find any chemical I would be willing to put in the tank that would attack the chips. MEK didn't touch it... Roots used a good coating.. But it's bond to the metal is slowly failing.. I finally used quit a bit of mechanical abrasion inside the tank to get most out.. Good luck Steve F ***************************************************************************** ** Steve Finberg W1GSL w1gsl at mit.edu PO Box 397082 MIT Br Cambridge MA 02139-7082 617 258 3754 ***************************************************************************** ** _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/djoh797014 at yahoo.com From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun Aug 8 23:23:08 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 15:23:08 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] GT5 Tigers and sunbeams Message-ID: While i havent played computer games in a while.. this might tempt me to buy a playstation 3.. GT5 has come out an in the huge list of cars: SUNBEAM Sunbeam Alpine '61 Sunbeam Tiger Hardtop '66 Sunbeam Imp Sport '66 Sunbeam Imp Sport Mk. II '67 Sunbeam Imp Sport Mk. III '68 Sunbeam Stiletto '67 SUNBEAMTALBOT SunbeamTalbot Rapier H120 ' SunbeamTalbot Tiger 289 ' For those who have played previous GT series.. you know that you will be able to modify them and make them into racers.. i wonder if they will have HSC55 F74 sehlby, works rally Tigers? and perhaps Lemans alpines? Is there gogin to be a LM Tiger? I note the MKII Tiger has been listed as Sunbeam Talbot 289 One would assuem the imps will be modfied to Fraser/Hartwell/Robson spec... -- Regards Michael King From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Mon Aug 9 00:53:20 2010 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2010 23:53:20 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Monterey Pre Reunion Message-ID: Just got home from Monterey for a couple day breather before heading back. All the Tigers survived the Pre Reunion racing weekend in good shape. John Morton was the quickest of the three Tiger drivers and finished 7th in one race and 11th in the other. (To be fair to John, I sent him out in today's race (11th finish) on the most worn tires I brought. I did this to save the new tires for next weekend. And his 7th place finish yesterday was quite a climb up from his 24th starting position - the race committee had tried experimenting with a unique but bizarre way to set the grid that I doubt they'll ever try again. ) We had about 45 entrants in our class but I only saw about 35 on the grid. Tom Sakai managed a personal best getting his Tiger into "the forties" for lap time (1:49.xxx). Tom Hall stopped by today. Peter Thompson from Sydney and Peter McDonald from B.C. were able to hang out for most of the day. It was great to visit with all of them. (Peter just completed a Tiger drive to Alaska and back.) Yesterday, Doug Lyle, who owns the Boskoff/Shelby prototype came by for a couple hours. We were able to hook him up with some of the very knowledgeable Cobra owners who helped him with his search for a "correct" replacement engine for the prototype. We wish him well in his effort to care for this crucial part of the history of this marque. Buck Trippel From mcdangerous at verizon.net Mon Aug 9 04:21:28 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 06:21:28 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Disaster strikes! In-Reply-To: <4C5F566E.7030500@mayfco.com> Message-ID: Sir, the data you have lost is certainly all recoverable! Please do not create any new files, which would then overwrite the space where the old files were, decreasing your chances of recovering the old files. Please ask for expert help locally. You will be happy you did. M On 8/8/10 9:14 PM, "drmayf" wrote: > Here of late, I have been experiencing some serious computer issues. So > today, I decided to see if I could find the cause. I ran a program to > check for malicious software hiding in cookies and such. None found. The > I ran a Norton Internet Security system scan (900,000 files, ouch!) > with no issues. So then after heming and hawing I decided to do a disk > cleanup. So I open the program files and went to accessories. I > selected disk cleanup. I let it run though the C drive and it found > that it coul dclean around 237 MB of dsk space up. So I looked over it > carefully (but not carefully enough) and I cehcked a box that said Win > ME/Installation files.. Gulped and hit the button. Near instant > disaster. after a second or two, the screen blinked and everything that > was not native XP disappeared! Literally. That included all of my excel > files I developed for the web site I have, all of the speciality > programs for various folk, all WOrd files are gone, all files under the > my douments are gone: all the pdf files I have collected for the last 10 > years... Even at that as the screen blinked, I had hit cancel hoping it > would reverse the file catastrophe that had happened. Unfortunately now. > The blasted thing also did nto creat a system restore point before doing > the dastardly deed either. Oh, my email client also disappeared which > had my 10 years of collected tiger, alpine, and race car stuff on it. > If I didn't live on a ground floor I would jump out the window. > > I am going to continue to recover this, how, I do not know yet, but if > any of you do, please shoot me a note and tell me how. Also, since my > address book and everything else went out with teh email client, then > how about those of you who have coresponde with me ove the years, drop > me a short email so I can add you back into a addy book. Anybody I was > working with, please send my your addy for sure! > > Dan NIcoson, send me your two email addy's? Dave Adin? > > What a mess, lol... > > mayf > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com Mon Aug 9 07:42:11 2010 From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 08:42:11 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] GT5 Tigers and sunbeams In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002d01cb37c8$ac12ef20$0438cd60$@com> That's actually quite cool IMO...i too haven't played in years, but I used too. Also, like discussed on another thread about what helps the market on our cars value and what doesn't....i would guess that seeing Tigers and Alpines in popular video games would be great for increased market exposure and eventually collector value increases for the cars.... I'm actually quite flattered that they would include them.... GT5 has come out an in the huge list of cars: SUNBEAM Sunbeam Alpine '61 Sunbeam Tiger Hardtop '66 Sunbeam Imp Sport '66 Sunbeam Imp Sport Mk. II '67 Sunbeam Imp Sport Mk. III '68 Sunbeam Stiletto '67 SUNBEAMTALBOT SunbeamTalbot Rapier H120 ' SunbeamTalbot Tiger 289 ' For those who have played previous GT series.. you know that you will be able to modify them and make them into racers.. i wonder if they will have HSC55 F74 sehlby, works rally Tigers? and perhaps Lemans alpines? Is there gogin to be a LM Tiger? I note the MKII Tiger has been listed as Sunbeam Talbot 289 One would assuem the imps will be modfied to Fraser/Hartwell/Robson spec... From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Aug 9 08:29:57 2010 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 09:29:57 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Rims and Tires In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059675CD23@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Many tires, even though they are listed with the same nominal 205mm section width, vary widely in the shoulder profile. It's tough to figure out where the shoulders of the tires are going to be without having an actual tire mounted on a rim of the correct width. If you're going to a larger diameter and push the section width on the tires then you'll very likely have to trim or roll the front fender lip and the rear edge of the front valence. I'm running 205/45-16 tires on 7" Mustang rims (39 mm offset, IIRC) with a 7/16" spacer and then the 1/4" brake hat. So that effectively takes out about 18mm of the offset. I had to trim the valence to make that work... The offset specified for the Panasport wheels is a stand-alone measurement - not added to the OEM value. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom Parker > Sent: August 8, 2010 4:25 PM > To: LIST TIGER > Subject: [Tigers] Rims and Tires > > So I want to put bigger feet on the Kitty. Lots of reasons, but the > basic > plan is to someday upgrade the brakes, either to Dale's front / rear > disk > setup or the Wilwood setup Tim Suddard mentioned recently in Classic > Motorsports and Wilwood confirmed is in the works. My personal > experience > tells me stopping is good. Almost as good as going fast, and maybe > better. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Mon Aug 9 09:39:46 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 11:39:46 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Rims and Tires In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059675CD23@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> References: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059675CD23@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: Theo, Thanks. Just what I needed. Looking at the Superlite site I figured out (finally) that "Offset" is in the eye of the describer, but "Backspace" is the important measurement. Their's is @ 4" fo the 6" wide x 15" rim (offset 24mm if I remember correctly). The stock 4 1/2" rims have about the same backspace. So no danger of interference on the back side, but the front side sticks out a bit further. Backspace, BTW is measured differently than offset. Offset is to the tire lip (inside of the rim, backspace is to the outside of the rim. Or I think that's how it works. So when I set the jig up for 4" backspace (implies 3" "front space on a 6" rim because we're measuring outside edge to outside edge) a 24" diameter tire is too close (but not interfering), and a 23 1/2" diameter tire looks like it'll work. I hope. Hard to tell because even with the engine in the car I don't get much spring compression. It looks like a 195/55 R15 will work at 23.4" diameter, but I'll test it on the front before I install tires on the rear. I'd really like a bit less footprint on the front for easier steering. Tom On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Smit, Theo wrote: > Many tires, even though they are listed with the same nominal 205mm section > width, vary widely in the shoulder profile. > It's tough to figure out where the shoulders of the tires are going to be > without having an actual tire mounted on a rim of the correct width. > > If you're going to a larger diameter and push the section width on the > tires then you'll very likely have to trim or roll the front fender lip and > the rear edge of the front valence. > > I'm running 205/45-16 tires on 7" Mustang rims (39 mm offset, IIRC) with a > 7/16" spacer and then the 1/4" brake hat. So that effectively takes out > about 18mm of the offset. I had to trim the valence to make that work... > > The offset specified for the Panasport wheels is a stand-alone measurement > - not added to the OEM value. > Theo > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom Parker > > Sent: August 8, 2010 4:25 PM > > To: LIST TIGER > > Subject: [Tigers] Rims and Tires > > > > So I want to put bigger feet on the Kitty. Lots of reasons, but the > > basic > > plan is to someday upgrade the brakes, either to Dale's front / rear > > disk > > setup or the Wilwood setup Tim Suddard mentioned recently in Classic > > Motorsports and Wilwood confirmed is in the works. My personal > > experience > > tells me stopping is good. Almost as good as going fast, and maybe > > better. > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the > sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, > please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this > e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in > error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. > > Thank you for your cooperation. From dave at munroe.ca Mon Aug 9 11:35:30 2010 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 14:35:30 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Rims and Tires In-Reply-To: References: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059675CD23@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: Tom: You are shooting for my set-up. I have 15 X 5 1/2" rims on the front; 15 X 6" on the rear. I Just changed my front tires to 185/55 R15 (Yokohama S-Drive's), and have 205/50R15 86V A539 Yokohama's on the rear. I also have Wilwood's on the front. Some observations: this front wheel/tire size does not interfere with the fender lips. It also provides good clearance for the Wilwood's. I had previously fitted 190/60 R15's on the front, but wore out the front edges in 8,000 miles of mostly touring-type driving. The rears still have more than 60% of the tread left). The diagnosis was too much camber. I was running 1/8" of toe-out. The stock specs may be fine for the original skinny 13" wheels, but these wider tires need less camber and toe. (but not much!) We cut it in half and are watching tire wear closely. I have found that these tire sizes stiffen/harden the ride considerably from the stock tire sizes. They also vastly improve cornering and accel. braking/traction. For the kind of driving my wife and I do (mostly touring with some fooling around on twisty roads and the odd burn-out when called for). They are too stiff for us. When this set wears out we are going to experiment with taller, narrower tires to try and get a bit more comfort in the ride. I hope this helps with some perspective. Depending on where you live and the condition of the roads, tire stiffness may not be an issue. Dave > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rims and Tires > Theo, > > Thanks. Just what I needed. > > Looking at the Superlite site I figured out (finally) that "Offset" is in > the eye of the describer, but "Backspace" is the important measurement. > Their's is @ 4" fo the 6" wide x 15" rim (offset 24mm if I remember > correctly). The stock 4 1/2" rims have about the same backspace. So no > danger of interference on the back side, but the front side sticks out a > bit > further. > > Backspace, BTW is measured differently than offset. Offset is to the tire > lip (inside of the rim, backspace is to the outside of the rim. Or I think > that's how it works. > > So when I set the jig up for 4" backspace (implies 3" "front space on a 6" > rim because we're measuring outside edge to outside edge) a 24" diameter > tire is too close (but not interfering), and a 23 1/2" diameter tire looks > like it'll work. I hope. > > Hard to tell because even with the engine in the car I don't get much > spring > compression. It looks like a 195/55 R15 will work at 23.4" diameter, but > I'll test it on the front before I install tires on the rear. I'd really > like a bit less footprint on the front for easier steering. > > Tom From slaifman at socal.rr.com Mon Aug 9 14:11:07 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 13:11:07 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] GT5 Tigers and sunbeams In-Reply-To: <002d01cb37c8$ac12ef20$0438cd60$@com> References: <002d01cb37c8$ac12ef20$0438cd60$@com> Message-ID: <4C6060DB.3040702@socal.rr.com> Cullen, Thanks for the GT5 info. I've broken more cars than I care to disclose on the previous GT's. However, it is not stated if the Tiger has been thru TAC. < 9> ) Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com Cullen McCann wrote: > That's actually quite cool IMO...i too haven't played in years, but I used > too. Also, like discussed on another thread about what helps the market on > our cars value and what doesn't....i would guess that seeing Tigers and > Alpines in popular video games would be great for increased market exposure > and eventually collector value increases for the cars.... > > I'm actually quite flattered that they would include them.... > > > > > > GT5 has come out an in the huge list of cars: > > SUNBEAM > Sunbeam Alpine '61 > Sunbeam Tiger Hardtop '66 > Sunbeam Imp Sport '66 > Sunbeam Imp Sport Mk. II '67 > Sunbeam Imp Sport Mk. III '68 > Sunbeam Stiletto '67 > > SUNBEAMTALBOT > SunbeamTalbot Rapier H120 ' > SunbeamTalbot Tiger 289 ' > > > For those who have played previous GT series.. you know that you will be > able to modify them and make them into racers.. i wonder if they will > have HSC55 F74 sehlby, works rally Tigers? and perhaps Lemans alpines? > > Is there gogin to be a LM Tiger? > I note the MKII Tiger has been listed as Sunbeam Talbot 289 > One would assuem the imps will be modfied to Fraser/Hartwell/Robson spec... > ____ From alpdavegre at msn.com Mon Aug 9 20:19:32 2010 From: alpdavegre at msn.com (DAVID GREEN) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 20:19:32 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] LAT 9 Center cap project ready to go Message-ID: Okay all you Sunbeam Tiger owners. I am just about ready to produce a limited run of center caps for the LAT 9 wheels. They will be raw aluminum machined on a CNC machine with the cut out center tigers head. The max outside diameter will be 2 1/4" that has the taper to the top. The height will be 3/4". I believe Tiger Tom did these in the 80's or 90's?? I think this is one of his examples that we are using for the template. As of now I will be doing about 30 caps.The cost per cap will be $30 without shipping. If I can get a run of 50 I can drop this to $25 each. I will be needing a firm commitment from all interested. Within the next 2 week I should be getting a sample of the finished cap. I have not seen any mention of my project in any of the Sunbeam Clubs publications. I wish that would have happened so Sunbeam Tiger owners that are not computer literate can benefit from this. If you need to see a picture of the sample we are using contact me and I will e-mail a jpg out. If you know of anyone who may be interested please give my information to them. My history with Sunbeams, I am a member with TEAE, CAT,& STOA. For quite a few years. Been on the Tiger list for near 10 years. Been to SUNI 3, 4, & 5 Owned Sunbeams Since 1982 and Tigers since 1998. Contact; Dave Green 2113 S. Avenida Planeta Tucson, Az. 85710 520-747-2901 message From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Mon Aug 9 20:23:22 2010 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 22:23:22 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] social event Message-ID: <006c01cb3833$017196a0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4> Hi Listers, A reminder of a social event in Annapolis, MD, at the Fleet Researve Club, Saturday the 14th at 7:00 pm...This is not a car event, dinner, refreshment, stories and lies, spouces and friends included, let me know for a head count, thanks, Clyde From jliny5 at cox.net Mon Aug 9 21:29:30 2010 From: jliny5 at cox.net (jliny5 at cox.net) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 03:29:30 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] First crisis Message-ID: <1575563111-1281410962-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1609303299-@bda728.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Hello Listers I have now been the proud owner of a 1965 Tiger Mk1 (B9470033) for all of a few days. It was fully restored about 7 years ago and has about 7000 miles since then. It is pretty much stock but it does have electronic ignition. I drove the 175 miles home to Alexandriaan VA on Sat. It was a beautiful drive. On Sunday eve I took it for a short spin and it ran perfectly. I turned off the car to go into the house. I came back out a few minutes later to pull the car into the garage. When I tried to start it the engine would not turnover, but I did hear a whirring/grinding noise. At this point I let it sit for the night. This morning I tried and it started first try. This afternoon it started again after sitting all day. I stalled it backing out and when I went to restart I again got the whirring/ grinding noise that sounds like the starter trying to engage. I checked the charge on the battery...it's fine. I have not been able to check starter very well due to its location. I will be the first to admit I am not a master mechanic but it sure sounds like the starter, but why does the car start after sitting for sevrral hours. I apologize for the long email. Any thoughts or recommended courses of action. Thanks. Jim Lindner Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From e.coiner at cox.net Mon Aug 9 21:57:00 2010 From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 20:57:00 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] First crisis In-Reply-To: <1575563111-1281410962-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1609303299-@bda728.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <20100809235700.BVSR7.379639.imail@fed1rmwml35> In a word, heat. If I get stuck in a line of stop and go for 15 or 20 minutes, line to get into Laguna Seca, Driving in a parade, etc. my starter will not spin at all if I stall the car. It acts just like a dead battery. Let it sit for 15 or 20 minutes and it will start like normal. On my car the headers put a lot of heat into the starter, something changes size and locks up my starter. Replace the starter and it will probably solve your problem. ---- jliny5 at cox.net wrote: > Hello Listers > > I have now been the proud owner of a 1965 Tiger Mk1 (B9470033) for all of a few days. It was fully restored about 7 years ago and has about 7000 miles since then. It is pretty much stock but it does have electronic ignition. > > I drove the 175 miles home to Alexandriaan VA on Sat. It was a beautiful drive. On Sunday eve I took it for a short spin and it ran perfectly. I turned off the car to go into the house. I came back out a few minutes later to pull the car into the garage. When I tried to start it the engine would not turnover, but I did hear a whirring/grinding noise. > > At this point I let it sit for the night. This morning I tried and it started first try. This afternoon it started again after sitting all day. I stalled it backing out and when I went to restart I again got the whirring/ grinding noise that sounds like the starter trying to engage. > > I checked the charge on the battery...it's fine. I have not been able to check starter very well due to its location. > > I will be the first to admit I am not a master mechanic but it sure sounds like the starter, but why does the car start after sitting for sevrral hours. > > I apologize for the long email. Any thoughts or recommended courses of action. > > Thanks. > > Jim Lindner > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner at cox.net From achd73 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 9 22:24:27 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 21:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] First crisis In-Reply-To: <20100809235700.BVSR7.379639.imail@fed1rmwml35> Message-ID: <437817.62452.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> So why not make a heat shield so the heat from the headers is reflected away from the starter. I have one of those mini starter and my Tiger has never had that problem from the headers BUT either I have a messed up gauge, sending unit or the coolest running engine Ive ever owned and I even changed thermostats incase it was stickig- turned ot to be the same degrre that I bought- it was a real Ford stat and expensive, I bought a 190 for this winter as it gets so cold that last winter I had to put cardboard in front of the radiator at Thanksgiving returing from Wva to southern IL. It was snowing by the time I pulled in for gas at the Evansville exit, so it had been above freezing up till then or it had not rained ir snowed at least. I think I will invest in one of those inside outside thermomaters for what driving I do this winter- no snow driving, this Tiger goes around in cicles very easily, my 66 1A was great o snow, I drove like a crazy man- prhaps I was BUT I had to be at work in time to make coffe for the superintendent- they shipped my crane out and I bumpd the tool room man- he made less and hour but got an hour overtime for making coffe befor starting time and blowing the start siren- couldnt be late, so the Tiger passed everone, just as it did on dry roads. I love driving a Sunbeam Tiger. TtT --- On Mon, 8/9/10, e.coiner at cox.net wrote: From: e.coiner at cox.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] First crisis To: Tigers at autox.team.net, jliny5 at cox.net Date: Monday, August 9, 2010, 10:57 PM In a word, heat. If I get stuck in a line of stop and go for 15 or 20 minutes, line to get into Laguna Seca, Driving in a parade, etc. my starter will not spin at all if I stall the car. It acts just like a dead battery. Let it sit for 15 or 20 minutes and it will start like normal. On my car the headers put a lot of heat into the starter, something changes size and locks up my starter. Replace the starter and it will probably solve your problem. ---- jliny5 at cox.net wrote: > Hello Listers > > I have now been the proud owner of a 1965 Tiger Mk1 (B9470033) for all of a few days. It was fully restored about 7 years ago and has about 7000 miles since then. It is pretty much stock but it does have electronic ignition. > > I drove the 175 miles home to Alexandriaan VA on Sat. It was a beautiful drive. On Sunday eve I took it for a short spin and it ran perfectly. I turned off the car to go into the house. I came back out a few minutes later to pull the car into the garage. When I tried to start it the engine would not turnover, but I did hear a whirring/grinding noise. > > At this point I let it sit for the night. This morning I tried and it started first try. This afternoon it started again after sitting all day. I stalled it backing out and when I went to restart I again got the whirring/ grinding noise that sounds like the starter trying to engage. > > I checked the charge on the battery...it's fine. I have not been able to check starter very well due to its location. > > I will be the first to admit I am not a master mechanic but it sure sounds like the starter, but why does the car start after sitting for sevrral hours. > > I apologize for the long email. Any thoughts or recommended courses of action. > > Thanks. > > Jim Lindner > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner at cox.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Aug 10 04:37:02 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 06:37:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] First crisis In-Reply-To: <1575563111-1281410962-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1609303299-@bda728.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4369E3E554364E88AFA1A7FB379E1D96@ronpc1> Jim Heat is causing the starter to not engage properly; whether a rebuild is required is difficult to say. Original Ford starter motor # is C2OZ-11002-A I don't recommend you exchange this starter for a new one, if you think it needs to be replaced, until the new one is in place and works. I have talked to a few Tiger owners who exchanged their starter, the new starter did not fit and the original starter was now gone. I prefer to keep any Tiger part because it is your only clue to what might be a special configuration made specifically for the Tiger engine. I recommend finding someone who will rebuild your starter. It is very possible it only needs to be cleaned and lubed to get it to engage. I never had that problem on my Tiger but I had my starter rebuilt after it started to turn slower on cold and hot start. Never had a problem since then and never a hot start problem. New bushings and brushes can do wonders for a tired starter. A heat shield for the starter can't hurt either, it depends on your headers and the heat generated. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jliny5 at cox.net Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:30 PM To: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] First crisis Hello Listers I have now been the proud owner of a 1965 Tiger Mk1 (B9470033) for all of a few days. It was fully restored about 7 years ago and has about 7000 miles since then. It is pretty much stock but it does have electronic ignition. I drove the 175 miles home to Alexandriaan VA on Sat. It was a beautiful drive. On Sunday eve I took it for a short spin and it ran perfectly. I turned off the car to go into the house. I came back out a few minutes later to pull the car into the garage. When I tried to start it the engine would not turnover, but I did hear a whirring/grinding noise. At this point I let it sit for the night. This morning I tried and it started first try. This afternoon it started again after sitting all day. I stalled it backing out and when I went to restart I again got the whirring/ grinding noise that sounds like the starter trying to engage. I checked the charge on the battery...it's fine. I have not been able to check starter very well due to its location. I will be the first to admit I am not a master mechanic but it sure sounds like the starter, but why does the car start after sitting for sevrral hours. I apologize for the long email. Any thoughts or recommended courses of action. Thanks. Jim Lindner From mcdangerous at verizon.net Tue Aug 10 05:09:23 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 07:09:23 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] First crisis In-Reply-To: <1575563111-1281410962-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1609303299-@bda728.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Jim, Greetings from Northern Virginia (oh yes, that's where you are too!). To me, this sounds like a classic Porsche story. When the heat builds up, the starter solenoid can get stuck. A quick couple of non-violent whacks with a wrench or small hammer is the old trick to get the plunger un-stuck. The right-hand exhaust downpipe or header runs very close to the starter, which makes it possible, if not probable, that this is your problem. You may want to test the theory by making shoe sort of a heat shield. You could try with something as simple as a few aluminum roof flashing sheets or similar. If you're able to isolate the problem like this, then you can decide if the heat shield is a good enough solution for you, or if you want to spend the money to replace parts. One thing I have learned with my Tiger is that the last thing you want to do is to choose the nuclear option first. In other words, check for the existence of simple problems and try simple solutions first. When you've done that and still are not satisfied, then and only then spend your hard-earned money on flat out replacing components. I hope that's helpful to you. M On 8/9/10 11:29 PM, "jliny5 at cox.net" wrote: > Hello Listers > > I have now been the proud owner of a 1965 Tiger Mk1 (B9470033) for all of a > few days. It was fully restored about 7 years ago and has about 7000 miles > since then. It is pretty much stock but it does have electronic ignition. > > I drove the 175 miles home to Alexandriaan VA on Sat. It was a beautiful > drive. On Sunday eve I took it for a short spin and it ran perfectly. I > turned off the car to go into the house. I came back out a few minutes later > to pull the car into the garage. When I tried to start it the engine would not > turnover, but I did hear a whirring/grinding noise. > > At this point I let it sit for the night. This morning I tried and it started > first try. This afternoon it started again after sitting all day. I stalled it > backing out and when I went to restart I again got the whirring/ grinding > noise that sounds like the starter trying to engage. > > I checked the charge on the battery...it's fine. I have not been able to check > starter very well due to its location. > > I will be the first to admit I am not a master mechanic but it sure sounds > like the starter, but why does the car start after sitting for sevrral hours. > > I apologize for the long email. Any thoughts or recommended courses of action. > > Thanks. > > Jim Lindner > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net From allanballard at att.net Tue Aug 10 07:17:49 2010 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:17:49 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] First crisis In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1C100D33-264C-4C0E-A35B-FD6D3E00E4A3@att.net> That's another reason to move the solenoid from the engine bay side of the firewall to the same captive nuts location on the inside of the cockpit. No exposure to the big heat. This is easy to do and the same wires are long enough. Someone on the list suggested this earlier to solve access problems and I 2nd it for both access and for heat reduction. On Aug 10, 2010, at 7:09 AM, Would U. Believe wrote: > Jim, > > Greetings from Northern Virginia (oh yes, that's where you are too!). To > me, this sounds like a classic Porsche story. When the heat builds up, the > starter solenoid can get stuck. A quick couple of non-violent whacks with a > wrench or small hammer is the old trick to get the plunger un-stuck. The > right-hand exhaust downpipe or header runs very close to the starter, which > makes it possible, if not probable, that this is your problem. You may want > to test the theory by making shoe sort of a heat shield. You could try with > something as simple as a few aluminum roof flashing sheets or similar. If > you're able to isolate the problem like this, then you can decide if the > heat shield is a good enough solution for you, or if you want to spend the > money to replace parts. > > One thing I have learned with my Tiger is that the last thing you want to do > is to choose the nuclear option first. In other words, check for the > existence of simple problems and try simple solutions first. When you've > done that and still are not satisfied, then and only then spend your > hard-earned money on flat out replacing components. I hope that's helpful > to you. > > M > > > On 8/9/10 11:29 PM, "jliny5 at cox.net" wrote: > >> Hello Listers >> >> I have now been the proud owner of a 1965 Tiger Mk1 (B9470033) for all of a >> few days. It was fully restored about 7 years ago and has about 7000 miles >> since then. It is pretty much stock but it does have electronic ignition. >> >> I drove the 175 miles home to Alexandriaan VA on Sat. It was a beautiful >> drive. On Sunday eve I took it for a short spin and it ran perfectly. I >> turned off the car to go into the house. I came back out a few minutes later >> to pull the car into the garage. When I tried to start it the engine would not >> turnover, but I did hear a whirring/grinding noise. >> >> At this point I let it sit for the night. This morning I tried and it started >> first try. This afternoon it started again after sitting all day. I stalled it >> backing out and when I went to restart I again got the whirring/ grinding >> noise that sounds like the starter trying to engage. >> >> I checked the charge on the battery...it's fine. I have not been able to check >> starter very well due to its location. >> >> I will be the first to admit I am not a master mechanic but it sure sounds >> like the starter, but why does the car start after sitting for sevrral hours. >> >> I apologize for the long email. Any thoughts or recommended courses of action. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Jim Lindner >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net From rande at thecia.net Tue Aug 10 07:35:13 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:35:13 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Message-ID: <4c615591.1a16.0@thecia.net> ' Location: ottawa, Ontario, CAN Description: 1967 Sunbeam Tiger, Mint condition. Garaged 99% of the time. Fully restored. www.khdsconsulting.com/khdsconsulting/sunbeam/ Serious inquiries only. $75,000 Firm Randy at R.hicks at e-mergingsolutions.com' Different Randy, this is an ad from Hemmings, use the khdsconsulting site for pictures. This is a red/black int Tiger IA. aftermarket brake booster, non stock heater hot water valve. Ad appeared in my email this morning. I.D number not listed. I don't know the seller. RB From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com Tue Aug 10 08:20:12 2010 From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 07:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Heat and starter Message-ID: <669187.79714.qm@web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The new High Tourqe starters are small compared to stock and therefore not as close to the heat of the headers....and start better From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 10 10:25:12 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Heat and starter In-Reply-To: <669187.79714.qm@web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <900823.49029.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The new High Tourqe starters are small compared to stock and therefore not as close to the heat of the headers....and start better Thats what Im running- I've never even felt it turn slow. TonytheTiger From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 10 10:30:07 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale In-Reply-To: <4c615591.1a16.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: <112783.76020.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well I hop he gets it as that maks all our cars worth much more than w have thought them to be worth. BUT, something tells me he either does'nt want to sell or he is nutz. I still wish him or her all the luck in the world. TtT --- On Tue, 8/10/10, rande wrote: From: rande Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 8:35 AM ' Location: ottawa, Ontario, CAN Description: 1967 Sunbeam Tiger, Mint condition. Garaged 99% of the time. Fully restored. www.khdsconsulting.com/khdsconsulting/sunbeam/ Serious inquiries only. $75,000 Firm Randy at R.hicks at e-mergingsolutions.com' Different Randy, this is an ad from Hemmings, use the khdsconsulting site for pictures. This is a red/black int Tiger IA. aftermarket brake booster, non stock heater hot water valve. Ad appeared in my email this morning. I.D number not listed. I don't know the seller. RB _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From dave at munroe.ca Tue Aug 10 10:47:19 2010 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:47:19 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Heat and starter In-Reply-To: <669187.79714.qm@web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <669187.79714.qm@web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: 2nd that motion - never had a problem with the hi-torque starter. easy to install, too. (Not to mention that it sounds very cool!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike schreiner" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:20 AM Subject: [Tigers] Heat and starter > The new High Tourqe starters are small compared to stock and therefore not > as close to the heat of the headers....and start better > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave at munroe.ca From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Aug 10 11:07:31 2010 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:07:31 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale In-Reply-To: <112783.76020.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4c615591.1a16.0@thecia.net> <112783.76020.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: i think i'll sell my mk1a too. $325,000. serious inquiries only. On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Tony Somebody wrote: > Well I hop he gets it as that maks all our cars worth much more than w have > thought them to be worth. BUT, something tells me he either does'nt want to > sell or he is nutz. I still wish him or her all the luck in the world. > TtT > > > --- On Tue, 8/10/10, rande wrote: > > > From: rande > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 8:35 AM > > > ' > Location: ottawa, Ontario, CAN > Description: > 1967 Sunbeam Tiger, Mint condition. Garaged 99% of the time. Fully > restored. > www.khdsconsulting.com/khdsconsulting/sunbeam/ Serious inquiries only. > $75,000 > Firm Randy at R.hicks at e-mergingsolutions.com' > > Different Randy, this is an ad from Hemmings, use the khdsconsulting site > for > pictures. This is a red/black int Tiger IA. aftermarket brake booster, non > stock > heater hot water valve. Ad appeared in my email this morning. I.D number > not > listed. I don't know the seller. > > RB > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Tue Aug 10 11:37:07 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:37:07 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale In-Reply-To: <112783.76020.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4c615591.1a16.0@thecia.net> <112783.76020.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: NADA High Price for a ' 67 1A is $63,800 (Down a bit from the last time I looked). The Tiger 2 is $69,200. So, yeah, he's asking a bit much. Tom On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Tony Somebody wrote: > Well I hop he gets it as that maks all our cars worth much more than w have > thought them to be worth. BUT, something tells me he either does'nt want to > sell or he is nutz. I still wish him or her all the luck in the world. > TtT > > > --- On Tue, 8/10/10, rande wrote: > > > From: rande > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 8:35 AM > > > ' > Location: ottawa, Ontario, CAN > Description: > 1967 Sunbeam Tiger, Mint condition. Garaged 99% of the time. Fully > restored. > www.khdsconsulting.com/khdsconsulting/sunbeam/ Serious inquiries only. > $75,000 > Firm Randy at R.hicks at e-mergingsolutions.com' > > Different Randy, this is an ad from Hemmings, use the khdsconsulting site > for > pictures. This is a red/black int Tiger IA. aftermarket brake booster, non > stock > heater hot water valve. Ad appeared in my email this morning. I.D number > not > listed. I don't know the seller. > > RB > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Aug 10 11:40:39 2010 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:40:39 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Heat and starter In-Reply-To: References: <669187.79714.qm@web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059675CFD6@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Me three. It depends on your need or desire to keep the car period correct, but if you can modernize select components of your drivetrain you can improve its reliability tremendously without breaking the bank. Tops on the list of electrical hooey: 1. Points => Pertronix module (make sure you check the distributor bushings and vacuum/mechanical advance mechanisms at the same time) 2. Starter => high torque ministarter. Many brands, either domestic or imported. Just a late model 79-93 Mustang will help if you're really budget conscious. 3. Generator => internally regulated alternator. This one requires a bit of change to the wiring especially if you're using an ammeter but it's worthwhile. It's also the most visible change. One option is to use that alternator-in-a-generator-case but it's expensive. In all cases, rebuild and shelve the original bits because you never know when it has to go back to bone stock. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Munroe > Sent: August 10, 2010 10:47 AM > To: mike schreiner; Tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Heat and starter > > 2nd that motion - never had a problem with the hi-torque starter. easy > to > install, too. (Not to mention that it sounds very cool!) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From atwittsend at verizon.net Tue Aug 10 11:44:11 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:44:11 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale References: <4c615591.1a16.0@thecia.net> <112783.76020.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <25569DE1857A437A99AA26889C552B09@student2> >>>i think i'll sell my mk1a too. $325,000. serious inquiries only.<<< Sir be honored that my Nigerian Associate will forward the funds immediately. He has monies that he needs to spend otherwise government officials will procure his many wealths. :-) Tom From laurin212 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 10 12:12:32 2010 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter L) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale In-Reply-To: <112783.76020.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <612077.7932.qm@web53602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The problem with sellers' psychology is they keep believing that what they have is worth what it was at its highest point (2007) and what they own somehow is immune to the market and hasn't gone done in value. Unfortunately everything from stocks (DOW down ~30% since 2007) to real estate (case-shiller home index down ~30% since 2007) are down. Not to mention continuing gains in these asset classes which were the "piggy banks" funding America's discretionary purchases, and that "bank" is closed for a while, further drying up people's buying power. Of course, if a seller is willing to wait and wait, they'll eventually get their price, might just be a while (ie, years)... --- On Tue, 8/10/10, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale To: tigers at autox.team.net, rande at thecia.net Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 12:30 PM Well I hop he gets it as that maks all our cars worth much more than w have thought them to be worth. BUT, something tells me he either does'nt want to sell or he is nutz. I still wish him or her all the luck in the world. TtT From mark.rense at ge.com Tue Aug 10 12:31:25 2010 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:31:25 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 260 Timing Cover Needed Message-ID: I'm just finishing up balancing this five-bolt 332 stroker and will need a new timing cover (C4OE-6059A) for the old girl. I had planned on using the one off the old 260 but now I'm looking at different timing (pun not intended) for this swap. So, if anyone has a decent one kicking around or knows a source for a new one please let me know. There are a few on ePay but I thought I'd ask here first. Thanks, Bugz From Heiko.Boesling at heikoboesling.de Tue Aug 10 12:35:03 2010 From: Heiko.Boesling at heikoboesling.de (Heiko.Boesling at heikoboesling.de) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:35:03 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] AUTOREPLY Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 390 Message-ID: <0000615A.4C61B7F7@192.168.135.4> Vielen Danke fr Ihre Nachricht. Ich befinde mich bis einschlielich 13.08.2010 im Urlaub. Mit freundlichen Gren Heiko Bsling Send Tigers mailing list submissions to tigers at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tigers-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at tigers-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Today's Topics: 1. Re: Tiger for sale (Thomas Witt) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:44:11 -0700 From: "Thomas Witt" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale To: >>>i think i'll sell my mk1a too. $325,000. serious inquiries only.<<< Sir be honored that my Nigerian Associate will forward the funds immediately. He has monies that he needs to spend otherwise government officials will procure his many wealths. :-) Tom ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Tigers mailing list Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers End of Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 390 ************************************** To: tigers at autox.team.net From awtiger at cox.net Tue Aug 10 12:42:16 2010 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:42:16 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale In-Reply-To: <612077.7932.qm@web53602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100810144216.2I2F7.1284611.imail@eastrmwml29> Of course, it's not just some sellers who are out of whack on pricing. As was mentioned in an earlier post, the "NADA Classic Car Pricing Guide" shows a Mk1/1A to be worth a little over $63,000 right now at "high retail." I'll bet you could count on one hand the number of Tigers that have EVER brought that kind of money, including MkII's. All I can figure is that NADA bases their collector car values on auction results, and with the "show-boat" auctions like Barrett-Jackson in the mix, it's no wonder they're well above sales prices that the rest of the world can produce. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX From BOBCARNUT at aol.com Tue Aug 10 14:07:34 2010 From: BOBCARNUT at aol.com (BOBCARNUT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:07:34 EDT Subject: [Tigers] First crisis Message-ID: <5afc0.23d7a165.39930b86@aol.com> I had problems with the starter on one of the Fords I had years ago....Same era car, same problem. The problem was easy to correct once the starter was removed from the car. Under the cover on the side of the starter is a lever type mechanism that serves to engage the pinion of the starter with the flywheel. The "lever" is magnetically pulled into the side of the starter when you energize the starter. The problem was the aluminum "pocket" the lever moves in. It becomes dirty and kind of sticky with a kind of aluminum "paste", keeping the lever from moving as far as it should, and thusly, not engaging the flywheel fully. The repair is to slide the pin out that the lever pivots on, and clean the surface of the aluminum and the steel lever, than re-assemble. I would try this repair before buying a new starter. It may do the job. Bob Lerch, former Tiger owner B3820001828LRXFE (I think) From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Aug 10 14:17:12 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:17:12 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 260 Timing Cover Needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0A5F3E399AFB43438A5956C5F83FE5FD@ronpc1> Mark There are new timing covers listed in NPD for $99.95. They are 289 configuration and require the cast iron water pump. Two styles available; one with cast in pointer, one with bolt on pointer. I'm not sure if new 260 timing covers for the aluminum water pump are being made. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 2:31 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] 260 Timing Cover Needed I'm just finishing up balancing this five-bolt 332 stroker and will need a new timing cover (C4OE-6059A) for the old girl. I had planned on using the one off the old 260 but now I'm looking at different timing (pun not intended) for this swap. So, if anyone has a decent one kicking around or knows a source for a new one please let me know. There are a few on ePay but I thought I'd ask here first. Thanks, Bugz From allanballard at att.net Tue Aug 10 14:27:37 2010 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:27:37 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tach In-Reply-To: <20100810144216.2I2F7.1284611.imail@eastrmwml29> References: <20100810144216.2I2F7.1284611.imail@eastrmwml29> Message-ID: <76B46D99-230D-43EB-A6FA-18EEAA4038EB@att.net> I had the tach calibrated on my "new" Tiger -- it was incorrect by a large margin. I probably hadn't pushed the car much past 2,500--3,000 RPMs, not knowing the true RPM's and guessing. Now the tach is accurate to 4400 RPM's with a little error at higher ranges... Point being, the ancient (original factory) 260 with F4b and a carb to suit has a whole lot more power than I thought, when pushed towards the red. The stock 260 motors may not be competitive with built 289's and 302's but they do well, well enough anyway to hold up the Tiger's legend. Allan Ballard From jd.sencindiver at gmail.com Tue Aug 10 15:50:42 2010 From: jd.sencindiver at gmail.com (Jim Sencindiver) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:50:42 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] LAT 9 Center cap project ready to go In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David, Confirm one (for a paperweight) for me. -- Jim Sencindiver B382100451/TAC 448 http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:19 PM, DAVID GREEN wrote: > Okay all you Sunbeam Tiger owners. I am just about ready to produce a > limited > run of center caps for the LAT 9 wheels. They will be raw aluminum machined > on > a CNC machine with the cut out center tigers head. The max outside diameter > will be 2 1/4" that has the taper to the top. The height will be 3/4". I > believe Tiger Tom did these in the 80's or 90's?? I think this is one of > his > examples that we are using for the template. As of now I will be doing > about > 30 caps.The cost per cap will be $30 without shipping. If I can get a run > of > 50 I can drop this to $25 each. > I will be needing a firm commitment from all interested. Within the next 2 > week I should be getting a sample of the finished cap. I have not seen any > mention of my project in any of the Sunbeam Clubs publications. I wish that > would have happened so Sunbeam Tiger owners that are not computer literate > can > benefit from this. If you need to see a picture of the sample we are using > contact me and I will e-mail a jpg out. If you know of anyone who may be > interested please give my information to them. > My history with Sunbeams, > I am a member with TEAE, CAT,& STOA. For quite a few years. Been on the > Tiger > list for near 10 years. Been to SUNI 3, 4, & 5 Owned Sunbeams Since 1982 > and > Tigers since 1998. > Contact; > Dave Green > 2113 S. Avenida Planeta > Tucson, Az. 85710 > 520-747-2901 message From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Aug 10 16:47:40 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 08:47:40 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale In-Reply-To: <4c615591.1a16.0@thecia.net> References: <4c615591.1a16.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: There is a MKII on ebay with a buy it now price of $39K US.. i think thats very cheap if legit.. has a goofy interior though On 10 August 2010 23:35, rande wrote: > ' > Location: ottawa, Ontario, CAN > Description: > 1967 Sunbeam Tiger, Mint condition. Garaged 99% of the time. Fully > restored. > www.khdsconsulting.com/khdsconsulting/sunbeam/ Serious inquiries only. > $75,000 > Firm Randy at R.hicks at e-mergingsolutions.com' > > Different Randy, this is an ad from Hemmings, use the khdsconsulting site > for > pictures. This is a red/black int Tiger IA. aftermarket brake booster, non > stock > heater hot water valve. Ad appeared in my email this morning. I.D number > not > listed. I don't know the seller. > > RB > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Tue Aug 10 17:02:52 2010 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:02:52 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 75k Tiger Message-ID: <002f01cb38e0$2a2504d0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4> I to would like to see it sell for that, what a comp for our insurance!! But for 75K I'd like sun visors and a hard top, but I'm picky, Ha Ha !! Clyde From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 10 17:13:19 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tach In-Reply-To: <76B46D99-230D-43EB-A6FA-18EEAA4038EB@att.net> Message-ID: <663955.54226.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Keep the legend rolling and check the brake fluid regularly. There is much to know about what fluid to use and dot 3 or 4 is definitely a NO NO, clutch too! I or We as I'm sure everyone doesn't mind me speaking for them in this case, are happy to hear how exalted you are. Imagine how Lord Rootes felt and he had the E-brake on the whole trip (supposedly). Now you know why I was hooked at age 19 and I'm 57 now and many Sunbeams later, from S3,4 and 5 Alpines to Mk1 and 1A Tigers- to bad I thought the Mk2 was ugly BUT the first one I saw was missing most of the stainless, so it was ugly BUT parts where available then. The kid may have even had them. He had clutch problems and was ready to sell this piece of s---. That was at the Brown county Shelby meet many years ago. I was on a Harley when we decided to ride to Indiana- no helmet law. We didn't stay as rooms where expensive and my buddy wanted to share a room w/ me and my girlfriend- no way was she going to let him watch, so we rode back to southern IL. drinking all the way. glad I outgrew that childish disease- I seldom ride now. LOL TonytheTiger From jliny5 at cox.net Tue Aug 10 17:19:52 2010 From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:19:52 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] First crisis--Update In-Reply-To: <1575563111-1281410962-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1609303299-@bda728.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1575563111-1281410962-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1609303299-@bda728.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <5A6E819758384EBFAF2BF0759D7F0DDF@JPC> Listers Thanks for all the input. Tried to start thr car late last night, early this morning, and again after getting home from work today. Although cold, each time I only got the grinding sound. At this point and based on all your comments I am pretty much convinced it is the starter. I now need to get up underneath and first check wires and bolts are secure. I understand that loose bolts can make it back off. Also maybe give it a whack per "Would U". If that does not do it than I guess it is time to replace it. This brings me to another question. I will be doing this with the car up on jackstands. Any recommendation for the best points to place the stands and best place to place the head of the hydraulic jack to lift the front end? I gotta admit I am a bit nervous about all this. Last time I did any significant mechanical work on a car was when I changed the clutch master cylinder in my 1976 260Z (30+ years ago). Thanks to all, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:29 PM Subject: [Tigers] First crisis > Hello Listers > > I have now been the proud owner of a 1965 Tiger Mk1 (B9470033) for all of > a few days. It was fully restored about 7 years ago and has about 7000 > miles since then. It is pretty much stock but it does have electronic > ignition. > > I drove the 175 miles home to Alexandriaan VA on Sat. It was a beautiful > drive. On Sunday eve I took it for a short spin and it ran perfectly. I > turned off the car to go into the house. I came back out a few minutes > later to pull the car into the garage. When I tried to start it the engine > would not turnover, but I did hear a whirring/grinding noise. > > At this point I let it sit for the night. This morning I tried and it > started first try. This afternoon it started again after sitting all day. > I stalled it backing out and when I went to restart I again got the > whirring/ grinding noise that sounds like the starter trying to engage. > > I checked the charge on the battery...it's fine. I have not been able to > check starter very well due to its location. > > I will be the first to admit I am not a master mechanic but it sure sounds > like the starter, but why does the car start after sitting for sevrral > hours. > > I apologize for the long email. Any thoughts or recommended courses of > action. > > Thanks. > > Jim Lindner > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5 at cox.net From allanballard at att.net Tue Aug 10 17:23:41 2010 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:23:41 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tach In-Reply-To: <663955.54226.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <663955.54226.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <09620572-90F7-4D5C-9A35-2EAAE7963FB5@att.net> I plan to keep her rolling -- and stopping when brakes are applied :) Best brake and clutch fluid next to Girling is Castrol LMA Dot 3/4 -- which I use in my SIV Alpine with no problems... My first Tiger, a 65 Mk1 hooked me---in the 30 years since I have owned 3 Alpines, this last one really GREAT--but had to wait all this time for another Tiger. Now I have an alpine soon to have Overdrive and a 120 BHP Holbay clone motor--and the Tiger. Life can be good :) Allan Ballard On Aug 10, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Tony Somebody wrote: > Keep the legend rolling and check the brake fluid regularly. There is much to know about what fluid to use and dot 3 or 4 is definitely a NO NO, clutch too! I or We as I'm sure everyone doesn't mind me speaking for them in this case, are happy to hear how exalted you are. Imagine how Lord Rootes felt and he had the E-brake on the whole trip (supposedly). Now you know why I was hooked at age 19 and I'm 57 now and many Sunbeams later, from S3,4 and 5 Alpines to Mk1 and 1A Tigers- to bad I thought the Mk2 was ugly BUT the first one I saw was missing most of the stainless, so it was ugly BUT parts where available then. The kid may have even had them. He had clutch problems and was ready to sell this piece of s---. That was at the Brown county Shelby meet many years ago. I was on a Harley when we decided to ride to Indiana- no helmet law. We didn't stay as rooms where expensive and my buddy wanted to share a room w/ me and my girlfriend- no way was she going to let him watch, so we rode back to southern IL. drinking all the way. glad I outgrew that childish disease- I seldom ride now. LOL > TonytheTiger From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 10 17:46:52 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] 260 Timing Cover Needed Message-ID: <611596.73425.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bugz or someone who knows. the timing cover he want is for a 332 stroker. is that a 260 punched out to 332 or a 289 and it is punched out to a 332. I'm not sure I understand why the water pump has to be the cast iron type. It seems I had an aluminum one on a 5 bolt 289 some years back but my memory has hols in it. Anyway, just exactly what does Bugz need. I also have a parts car with the door closers on the doors IF I can get the doors open. the car is in a fenced in area a wrecker service friend was storing it for me until I cold remove the spare parts BUT his wrecker rolled off into a lake and the water didn't do the turbo charger much good and his insurance is saying it was intentional, so he has to sue to recover his wrecker value, it is so easy to dislike insurance companies- Thank the Lord they aren't all alike.That said, he is out of town and its very hot and the car is in weed with no wheel kn either end=before he would have pulled it up on his flat bed tilt wrecker wrecker and taken it to my shop, I could remove the extra parts and cut the door closers out for whom ever it was in need of then. many Thanks and tons of regards, TtT From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Aug 10 17:57:46 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:57:46 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] First crisis--Update In-Reply-To: <5A6E819758384EBFAF2BF0759D7F0DDF@JPC> Message-ID: <875BB4CC74234FD79D4282B6C2F25450@ronpc1> Jim Be sure the ground strap to the engine is secure also. I jack up on the front cross member. There are frame section to place the jack stands. Work safely. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Lindner Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 7:20 PM To: jliny5 at cox.net; Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] First crisis--Update Listers Thanks for all the input. Tried to start thr car late last night, early this morning, and again after getting home from work today. Although cold, each time I only got the grinding sound. At this point and based on all your comments I am pretty much convinced it is the starter. I now need to get up underneath and first check wires and bolts are secure. I understand that loose bolts can make it back off. Also maybe give it a whack per "Would U". If that does not do it than I guess it is time to replace it. This brings me to another question. I will be doing this with the car up on jackstands. Any recommendation for the best points to place the stands and best place to place the head of the hydraulic jack to lift the front end? I gotta admit I am a bit nervous about all this. Last time I did any significant mechanical work on a car was when I changed the clutch master cylinder in my 1976 260Z (30+ years ago). Thanks to all, Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 11:29 PM Subject: [Tigers] First crisis > Hello Listers > > I have now been the proud owner of a 1965 Tiger Mk1 (B9470033) for all > of > a few days. It was fully restored about 7 years ago and has about 7000 > miles since then. It is pretty much stock but it does have electronic > ignition. > > I drove the 175 miles home to Alexandriaan VA on Sat. It was a > beautiful > drive. On Sunday eve I took it for a short spin and it ran perfectly. I > turned off the car to go into the house. I came back out a few minutes > later to pull the car into the garage. When I tried to start it the engine > would not turnover, but I did hear a whirring/grinding noise. > > At this point I let it sit for the night. This morning I tried and it > started first try. This afternoon it started again after sitting all day. > I stalled it backing out and when I went to restart I again got the > whirring/ grinding noise that sounds like the starter trying to engage. > > I checked the charge on the battery...it's fine. I have not been able > to > check starter very well due to its location. > > I will be the first to admit I am not a master mechanic but it sure > sounds > like the starter, but why does the car start after sitting for sevrral > hours. > > I apologize for the long email. Any thoughts or recommended courses of > action. > > Thanks. > > Jim Lindner > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5 at cox.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3060 - Release Date: 08/10/10 06:35:00 From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Aug 10 18:04:31 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:04:31 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 260 Timing Cover Needed In-Reply-To: <611596.73425.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bugz did not clarify his exact situation. There are timing covers for alum water pumps for 260 and 289 engines then in 1965 Ford made a design change to the timing cover for use with the cast iron water pump. You can interchange the timing covers but each timing cover is specific to the alum or cast iron water pump. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Tony Somebody [mailto:achd73 at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 7:47 PM To: Mark (GE Indust ConsInd)''Rense; tigers at autox.team.net; rfraser at bluefrog.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 Timing Cover Needed Bugz or someone who knows. the timing cover he want is for a 332 stroker. is that a 260 punched out to 332 or a 289 and it is punched out to a 332. I'm not sure I understand why the water pump has to be the cast iron type. It seems I had an aluminum one on a 5 bolt 289 some years back but my memory has hols in it. Anyway, just exactly what does Bugz need. I also have a parts car with the door closers on the doors IF I can get the doors open. the car is in a fenced in area a wrecker service friend was storing it for me until I cold remove the spare parts BUT his wrecker rolled off into a lake and the water didn't do the turbo charger much good and his insurance is saying it was intentional, so he has to sue to recover his wrecker value, it is so easy to dislike insurance companies- Thank the Lord they aren't all alike.That said, he is out of town and its very hot and the car is in weed with no wheel kn either end=before he would have pulled it up on his flat bed tilt wrecker wrecker and taken it to my shop, I could remove the extra parts and cut the door closers out for whom ever it was in need of then. many Thanks and tons of regards, TtT No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3060 - Release Date: 08/10/10 06:35:00 From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 10 19:48:56 2010 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:48:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Urlaub Message-ID: <72B6E7B2F1044168A4782D4CF13B956D@jeffnicholsPC> "Vielen Danke fr Ihre Nachricht. Ich befinde mich bis einschlielich 13.08.2010 im Urlaub. Mit freundlichen Gren Heiko Bsling" Ich bin ein Berliner mit Urlaub. Jeff From tgrrr at peoplepc.com Tue Aug 10 21:40:03 2010 From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 20:40:03 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 260 Timing Cover Needed References: Message-ID: Maybe something like this? http://www.speedwaymotors.com/302-351W-Ford-Timing-Cover,1897.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:31 AM Subject: [Tigers] 260 Timing Cover Needed > I'm just finishing up balancing this five-bolt 332 stroker and will need > a new timing cover (C4OE-6059A) for the old girl. I had planned on using > the one off the old 260 but now I'm looking at different timing (pun not > intended) for this swap. So, if anyone has a decent one kicking around > or knows a source for a new one please let me know. There are a few on > ePay but I thought I'd ask here first. > > Thanks, > Bugz From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Aug 10 23:39:52 2010 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] 260 Timing Cover Needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3733.19244.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have purchased that one from them from Speedway. Works fine with the Edelbrock and other later pumps, don't know about anything early or iron. They are commonly available from summit, edelbrock, etc. They usually come with the front seal but not the timing pointer. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob Hokanson To: Tigers ; "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 8:40:03 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 Timing Cover Needed Maybe something like this? http://www.speedwaymotors.com/302-351W-Ford-Timing-Cover,1897.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:31 AM Subject: [Tigers] 260 Timing Cover Needed > I'm just finishing up balancing this five-bolt 332 stroker and will need > a new timing cover (C4OE-6059A) for the old girl. I had planned on using > the one off the old 260 but now I'm looking at different timing (pun not > intended) for this swap. So, if anyone has a decent one kicking around > or knows a source for a new one please let me know. There are a few on > ePay but I thought I'd ask here first. > > Thanks, > Bugz _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz at pacbell.net From zymmer4 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 11 05:29:34 2010 From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 04:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Teary-Eyed In-Reply-To: <179241.62413.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <188268.71567.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> WTF????????? The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Tue, 8/10/10, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: Fw: Teary-Eyed To: "Mikw Scheiner" , "Larry Conley" , "Powell Cooke" Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 12:46 PM Scroll down- its there- I just removed all the fwds. Subject: Teary-Eyed "Teary-Eyed" Two black guys are at a bar talking. The first one says to the other, "Have you ever notice that after you have sex with a white woman that your eyes burn, your nose burns and you get all teary-eyed?" The second black guy says, "Yeah, all the time." The other says, "Why is that?" The second says, "I think it is the pepper spray." From mark.rense at ge.com Wed Aug 11 06:21:48 2010 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 08:21:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 260 Timing Cover Needed In-Reply-To: References: <611596.73425.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Guys, All SBF engines that had the 5-bolt bell housing pattern, whether 221, 260 or 289, take the old-style cover which uses the aluminum water pump. That is what I am looking for. I do not want to convert the engine to the later cast iron design. If someone has one please contact me off list. Thanks, Bugz ________________________________ From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 8:05 PM To: 'Tony Somebody'; Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd); tigers at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] 260 Timing Cover Needed Bugz did not clarify his exact situation. There are timing covers for alum water pumps for 260 and 289 engines then in 1965 Ford made a design change to the timing cover for use with the cast iron water pump. You can interchange the timing covers but each timing cover is specific to the alum or cast iron water pump. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Tony Somebody [mailto:achd73 at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 7:47 PM To: Mark (GE Indust ConsInd)''Rense; tigers at autox.team.net; rfraser at bluefrog.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 Timing Cover Needed Bugz or someone who knows. the timing cover he want is for a 332 stroker. is that a 260 punched out to 332 or a 289 and it is punched out to a 332. I'm not sure I understand why the water pump has to be the cast iron type. It seems I had an aluminum one on a 5 bolt 289 some years back but my memory has hols in it. Anyway, just exactly what does Bugz need. I also have a parts car with the door closers on the doors IF I can get the doors open. the car is in a fenced in area a wrecker service friend was storing it for me until I cold remove the spare parts BUT his wrecker rolled off into a lake and the water didn't do the turbo charger much good and his insurance is saying it was intentional, so he has to sue to recover his wrecker value, it is so easy to dislike insurance companies- Thank the Lord they aren't all alike.That said, he is out of town and its very hot and the car is in weed with no wheel kn either end=before he would have pulled it up on his flat bed tilt wrecker wrecker and taken it to my shop, I could remove the extra parts and cut the door closers out for whom ever it was in need of then. many Thanks and tons of regards, TtT From Rollright at aol.com Wed Aug 11 07:10:15 2010 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:10:15 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Chrome bumpers /painting the rear Message-ID: <8a855.2fe9ebdd.3993fb37@aol.com> Hello, Just got back my (4) bumpers from Nu-Chrome in New Bedford, MA. They are absolutely beautiful ! I sent two of them to Gary Fish last night via wife, and he was also very, very pleased. The cost was $ 250 each. I am totally satisfied. I have no connection to Nu-Chrome other than as a business partner. For your convenience, their number is 800-422-8012. You forget what really good chrome looks like. What a pleasure. Now, I remember that people have talked about painting the rear side of the bumpers to prevent rust. Is there any hot set-up in this process? I have a can of Eastwood Rust Encapsulator, but as there is no rust as of yet, I'm not sure this is the correct paint to use. So what do you fellows recommend ? Thanks in advance, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE From e.coiner at cox.net Wed Aug 11 08:01:13 2010 From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 7:01:13 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure Part II follow up In-Reply-To: <20100802164325.V4005.279103.imail@fed1rmwml46> Message-ID: <20100811100113.UG9SA.107549.imail@fed1rmwml29> I checked the oil and it was a quart low. Added oil and pressure is now rock steady during deceleration. I did not check the oil right away because I had to replace the filter and fill up the oil after the car wreck 3 years ago. (the wreck punched a hole in the filter and it all drained out. With a full crankcase I drove from LA to San Diego and parked the car for 3 years. I KNEW the crankcase was full. So much for knowing what you know......... ---- e.coiner at cox.net wrote: > I just got my Tiger back on the road after a 3 year hiatus. (ie I was too cheap to have a fender bender repaired and a repaint) > > I have a 260, it makes 180hp at the rear wheels. > I have an aftermarket remote oil filter setup. I use a low profile block adapter that Dale A. sells > The filter is mounted behind the headlight bucket in the drivers side fender well. > The connection are with -8 AN fittings and SS braided hose. > I have a stock oil pan > > Cold oil pressure is 45-50 psi > Warm pressure is 35 psi. > > When I come to a stop, the oil pressure will drop to around 10 psi, to the point I can hear bad mechanical (ie knocking) noises. As soon as the deceleration is over, the pressure will rise back up to 20 psi or so and the bad noise stops. > Any ideas on what I should do to fix this one? > > A separate anecdote that may shed light: A coworker has a 95 Mustang with the V6. It has over 100k on the clock. He was experiencing low oil pressure, when the engine would get good and warm. He tried higher viscosity oil. No change. > He replaced the oil pump with a stock unit from the local parts house. Problem solved. Now has good oil pressure even when hot. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner at cox.net From jteepen at usatoday.com Wed Aug 11 11:41:17 2010 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:41:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 260 Timing Cover Needed In-Reply-To: References: <611596.73425.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If using the later cover, aluminum water pumps are available from the aftermarket suppliers, Weiand and Edelbrock for example. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:22 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 Timing Cover Needed Guys, All SBF engines that had the 5-bolt bell housing pattern, whether 221, 260 or 289, take the old-style cover which uses the aluminum water pump. That is what I am looking for. I do not want to convert the engine to the later cast iron design. If someone has one please contact me off list. Thanks, Bugz ________________________________ From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 8:05 PM To: 'Tony Somebody'; Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd); tigers at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] 260 Timing Cover Needed Bugz did not clarify his exact situation. There are timing covers for alum water pumps for 260 and 289 engines then in 1965 Ford made a design change to the timing cover for use with the cast iron water pump. You can interchange the timing covers but each timing cover is specific to the alum or cast iron water pump. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Tony Somebody [mailto:achd73 at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 7:47 PM To: Mark (GE Indust ConsInd)''Rense; tigers at autox.team.net; rfraser at bluefrog.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 Timing Cover Needed Bugz or someone who knows. the timing cover he want is for a 332 stroker. is that a 260 punched out to 332 or a 289 and it is punched out to a 332. I'm not sure I understand why the water pump has to be the cast iron type. It seems I had an aluminum one on a 5 bolt 289 some years back but my memory has hols in it. Anyway, just exactly what does Bugz need. I also have a parts car with the door closers on the doors IF I can get the doors open. the car is in a fenced in area a wrecker service friend was storing it for me until I cold remove the spare parts BUT his wrecker rolled off into a lake and the water didn't do the turbo charger much good and his insurance is saying it was intentional, so he has to sue to recover his wrecker value, it is so easy to dislike insurance companies- Thank the Lord they aren't all alike.That said, he is out of town and its very hot and the car is in weed with no wheel kn either end=before he would have pulled it up on his flat bed tilt wrecker wrecker and taken it to my shop, I could remove the extra parts and cut the door closers out for whom ever it was in need of then. many Thanks and tons of regards, TtT From John.Dillman at PUBLICANS.com Wed Aug 11 13:14:34 2010 From: John.Dillman at PUBLICANS.com (John Dillman) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:14:34 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Re: Chrome bumpers /painting the rear Message-ID: I don't know about Tigers, but on the other cars I have restored I usually just painted the back silver. It looks sort of appropriate but not over the top. I would usually apply a heavy coat of wax to the shiny parts, then spray, then, after drying, buff off the wax. John Dillman From slaifman at socal.rr.com Wed Aug 11 13:27:11 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:27:11 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Chrome bumpers /painting the rear In-Reply-To: <8a855.2fe9ebdd.3993fb37@aol.com> References: <8a855.2fe9ebdd.3993fb37@aol.com> Message-ID: <4C62F98F.2020202@socal.rr.com> Jim, Although my chrome is fine, I do have experience with chroming bumpers. In all cases the entire bumper is plated with all layers of metal (copper, nickel, chromium). Usually only the front face is polished, to reduce labor costs. This is how the factory did it. If metal repairs are necessary it is done before the plating(s), usually called "triple plating". No additional protection to prevent rust is necessary, however both sides should be cleaned of surface deposits. Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com Rollright at aol.com wrote: > Hello, > > Just got back my (4) bumpers from Nu-Chrome in New Bedford, MA. They are > absolutely beautiful ! I sent two of them to Gary Fish last night via wife, > and he was also very, very pleased. The cost was $ 250 each. > I am totally satisfied. I have no connection to Nu-Chrome other than as a > business partner. > For your convenience, their number is 800-422-8012. You forget what really > good chrome looks like. What a pleasure. > > Now, I remember that people have talked about painting the rear side of the > bumpers to prevent rust. Is there any hot set-up in this process? I have a > can of Eastwood Rust Encapsulator, but as there is no rust as of yet, I'm > not sure this is the correct paint to use. So what do you fellows recommend > ? > > Thanks in advance, > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE > _______________________________________________ From achd73 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 11 13:36:27 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Chrome bumpers /painting the rear In-Reply-To: <8a855.2fe9ebdd.3993fb37@aol.com> Message-ID: <17813.97629.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jim- My opinion is to start w/ self etching primer. I think it comes in balck and a redish BUT a paint shop would be who to ask. Then you can leave it as is or paint it to match your car. Thats my opinion- like A-holes- most of us have one- some of us seem to have several. Good luck. TtT --- On Wed, 8/11/10, Rollright at aol.com wrote: From: Rollright at aol.com Subject: [Tigers] Chrome bumpers /painting the rear To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Cc: onegonefish at comcast.net, todbrown at roadrunner.com Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 8:10 AM Hello, Just got back my (4) bumpers from Nu-Chrome in New Bedford, MA. They are absolutely beautiful ! I sent two of them to Gary Fish last night via wife, and he was also very, very pleased. The cost was $ 250 each. I am totally satisfied. I have no connection to Nu-Chrome other than as a business partner. For your convenience, their number is 800-422-8012. You forget what really good chrome looks like. What a pleasure. Now, I remember that people have talked about painting the rear side of the bumpers to prevent rust. Is there any hot set-up in this process? I have a can of Eastwood Rust Encapsulator, but as there is no rust as of yet, I'm not sure this is the correct paint to use. So what do you fellows recommend ? Thanks in advance, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From slaifman at socal.rr.com Wed Aug 11 16:18:03 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:18:03 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Chrome bumpers /painting the rear In-Reply-To: <9db7e.35ac0346.39947046@aol.com> References: <9db7e.35ac0346.39947046@aol.com> Message-ID: <4C63219B.6040308@socal.rr.com> You are quite welcome, Jim. I was surprised by the number of replies you were getting about using paint. Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com Rollright at aol.com wrote: > Thanks for your precise response. Now that I think of it, you are > correct. They have to plate both sides in the tank though the elbow > grease goes into polishing up the copper coat on the front. > > Thanks for the guidance. > > Jim Armstro > > In a message dated 8/11/2010 3:27:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > slaifman at socal.rr.com writes: > > Jim, > Although my chrome is fine, I do have experience with chroming > bumpers. In all cases the entire bumper is plated with all layers > of metal (copper, nickel, chromium). Usually only the front face > is polished, to reduce labor costs. This is how the factory did > it. If metal repairs are necessary it is done before the > plating(s), usually called "triple plating". > > No additional protection to prevent rust is necessary, however > both sides should be cleaned of surface deposits. > > Steve > > Steve Laifman > > Editor > > http://TigersUnited.com > > > > Rollright at aol.com wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Just got back my (4) bumpers from Nu-Chrome in New Bedford, MA. They are >> absolutely beautiful ! I sent two of them to Gary Fish last night via wife, >> and he was also very, very pleased. The cost was $ 250 each. >> I am totally satisfied. I have no connection to Nu-Chrome other than as a >> business partner. >> For your convenience, their number is 800-422-8012. You forget what really >> good chrome looks like. What a pleasure. >> >> Now, I remember that people have talked about painting the rear side of the >> bumpers to prevent rust. Is there any hot set-up in this process? I have a >> can of Eastwood Rust Encapsulator, but as there is no rust as of yet, I'm >> not sure this is the correct paint to use. So what do you fellows recommend >> ? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Jim Armstrong >> Mk 1A 382002083 >> LRXFE >> _______________________________________________ From mcdangerous at verizon.net Wed Aug 11 16:42:36 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 18:42:36 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Teary-Eyed In-Reply-To: <188268.71567.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm really sorry to say it, but I wish someone would ask Mr. Somebody to not forward such garbage spam to the List anymore. Apart from the fact that this particular email is highly offensive on every single level and I want nothing to do with it, some of the stuff he's forwarded is a perfect vehicle to inadvertently transmit malware, Trojan horses, viruses, etc. to us all. The recent Israeli message is a great example and I hope you all did not open that. Recently, more than one person on the list has had a system crash, right? I'm always happy to hear from you guys, but I only want Tiger-related mail in my inbox (from the List). Thank you. M On 8/11/10 7:29 AM, "Howard gentry" wrote: > WTF????????? > > The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. > > --- On Tue, 8/10/10, Tony Somebody wrote: > > > From: Tony Somebody > Subject: Fw: Teary-Eyed > To: "Mikw Scheiner" , "Larry Conley" > , "Powell Cooke" > Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 12:46 PM > > > > > > > > Scroll down- its there- I just removed all the fwds. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Teary-Eyed > > > "Teary-Eyed" > > Two black guys are at a bar talking. The first > one says to the other, "Have you ever notice > that after you have sex with a white woman > that your eyes burn, your nose burns and you > get all teary-eyed?" > > The second black guy says, "Yeah, all the time." > > The other says, "Why is that?" > > The second says, "I think it is the pepper spray." > > > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Aug 11 16:48:44 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 08:48:44 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Chrome bumpers /painting the rear In-Reply-To: <4C62F98F.2020202@socal.rr.com> References: <8a855.2fe9ebdd.3993fb37@aol.com> <4C62F98F.2020202@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Steve, I think Jim is asking what he should paint the backs (unchromed) of the bumpers with so the metal does not start to rust. Jim, i would use one of the sut inihbitor paints that comes in silver (like "kill rust" here in AU) and then put some car polish over the top of it. On 12 August 2010 05:27, Steve Laifman wrote: > Jim, > Although my chrome is fine, I do have experience with chroming bumpers. > In all cases the entire bumper is plated with all layers of metal > (copper, nickel, chromium). Usually only the front face is polished, to > reduce labor costs. This is how the factory did it. If metal repairs > are necessary it is done before the plating(s), usually called "triple > plating". > > No additional protection to prevent rust is necessary, however both > sides should be cleaned of surface deposits. > > Steve > > Steve Laifman > > Editor > > http://TigersUnited.com > > > > Rollright at aol.com wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Just got back my (4) bumpers from Nu-Chrome in New Bedford, MA. They are > > absolutely beautiful ! I sent two of them to Gary Fish last night via > wife, > > and he was also very, very pleased. The cost was $ 250 each. > > I am totally satisfied. I have no connection to Nu-Chrome other than as > a > > business partner. > > For your convenience, their number is 800-422-8012. You forget what > really > > good chrome looks like. What a pleasure. > > > > Now, I remember that people have talked about painting the rear side of > the > > bumpers to prevent rust. Is there any hot set-up in this process? I have > a > > can of Eastwood Rust Encapsulator, but as there is no rust as of yet, > I'm > > not sure this is the correct paint to use. So what do you fellows > recommend > > ? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Jim Armstrong > > Mk 1A 382002083 > > LRXFE > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Aug 11 16:51:43 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 18:51:43 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Chrome bumpers /painting the rear Message-ID: A thanks from me too Steve. I always wondered how they were able to chrome only one side if the object was being dipped. Mark L In a message dated 8/11/2010 6:32:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, slaifman at socal.rr.com writes: You are quite welcome, Jim. I was surprised by the number of replies you were getting about using paint. Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com Rollright at aol.com wrote: > Thanks for your precise response. Now that I think of it, you are > correct. They have to plate both sides in the tank though the elbow > grease goes into polishing up the copper coat on the front. > > Thanks for the guidance. > > Jim Armstro > > In a message dated 8/11/2010 3:27:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > slaifman at socal.rr.com writes: > > Jim, > Although my chrome is fine, I do have experience with chroming > bumpers. In all cases the entire bumper is plated with all layers > of metal (copper, nickel, chromium). Usually only the front face > is polished, to reduce labor costs. This is how the factory did > it. If metal repairs are necessary it is done before the > plating(s), usually called "triple plating". > > No additional protection to prevent rust is necessary, however > both sides should be cleaned of surface deposits. > > Steve > > Steve Laifman > > Editor > > http://TigersUnited.com > > > > Rollright at aol.com wrote: >> Hello, >> >> Just got back my (4) bumpers from Nu-Chrome in New Bedford, MA. They are >> absolutely beautiful ! I sent two of them to Gary Fish last night via wife, >> and he was also very, very pleased. The cost was $ 250 each. >> I am totally satisfied. I have no connection to Nu-Chrome other than as a >> business partner. >> For your convenience, their number is 800-422-8012. You forget what really >> good chrome looks like. What a pleasure. >> >> Now, I remember that people have talked about painting the rear side of the >> bumpers to prevent rust. Is there any hot set-up in this process? I have a >> can of Eastwood Rust Encapsulator, but as there is no rust as of yet, I'm >> not sure this is the correct paint to use. So what do you fellows recommend >> ? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Jim Armstrong >> Mk 1A 382002083 >> LRXFE >> _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From Robin02 at mindspring.com Wed Aug 11 17:41:25 2010 From: Robin02 at mindspring.com (Robin Young) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 19:41:25 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Teary-Eyed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Would U. Believe Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 6:43 PM To: Howard gentry; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Teary-Eyed It does not appear that Tony sent this to the list....just to some friends. Note the header below and I did not receive it from him....just a forward from someone else. Robin I'm really sorry to say it, but I wish someone would ask Mr. Somebody to not forward such garbage spam to the List anymore. Apart from the fact that this particular email is highly offensive on every single level and I want nothing to do with it, some of the stuff he's forwarded is a perfect vehicle to inadvertently transmit malware, Trojan horses, viruses, etc. to us all. The recent Israeli message is a great example and I hope you all did not open that. Recently, more than one person on the list has had a system crash, right? I'm always happy to hear from you guys, but I only want Tiger-related mail in my inbox (from the List). Thank you. M On 8/11/10 7:29 AM, "Howard gentry" wrote: > WTF????????? > > The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. > > --- On Tue, 8/10/10, Tony Somebody wrote: > > > From: Tony Somebody > Subject: Fw: Teary-Eyed > To: "Mikw Scheiner" , "Larry Conley" > , "Powell Cooke" > Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 12:46 PM > >> Scroll down- its there- I just removed all the fwds. From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed Aug 11 18:31:07 2010 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 01:31:07 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Teary-Eyed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: actually it seems Howard sent it to the list! thanks Howard..... On Thursday, August 12, 2010, Robin Young wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Would U. Believe > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 6:43 PM > To: Howard gentry; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Teary-Eyed > It does not appear that Tony sent this to the list....just to some friends. > Note the header below and I did not receive it from him....just a forward > from someone else. > > Robin > > > > I'm really sorry to say it, but I wish someone would ask Mr. Somebody to not > forward such garbage spam to the List anymore. Apart from the fact that this > particular email is highly offensive on every single level and I want > nothing to do with it, some of the stuff he's forwarded is a perfect vehicle > to inadvertently transmit malware, Trojan horses, viruses, etc. to us all. > The recent Israeli message is a great example and I hope you all did not > open that. Recently, more than one person on the list has had a system > crash, right? I'm always happy to hear from you guys, but I only want > Tiger-related mail in my inbox (from the List). Thank you. M > > > On 8/11/10 7:29 AM, "Howard gentry" wrote: > >> WTF????????? >> >> The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. >> >> --- On Tue, 8/10/10, Tony Somebody wrote: >> >> >> From: Tony Somebody >> Subject: Fw: Teary-Eyed >> To: "Mikw Scheiner" , "Larry Conley" >> , "Powell Cooke" >> Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 12:46 PM >> >>> Scroll down- its there- I just removed all the fwds. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com From drarmacost at pmlights.com Wed Aug 11 18:47:28 2010 From: drarmacost at pmlights.com (Armacost, Don Jr.) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 19:47:28 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Teary-Eyed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree. I got the email and while not particularly offended I found it a complete waste of time. Don Armacost Jr. President CEO Peterson Mfg. Co. On Aug 11, 2010, at 7:01 PM, "Robin Young" wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Would U. Believe > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 6:43 PM > To: Howard gentry; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Teary-Eyed > It does not appear that Tony sent this to the list....just to some friends. > Note the header below and I did not receive it from him....just a forward > from someone else. > > Robin > > > > I'm really sorry to say it, but I wish someone would ask Mr. Somebody to not > forward such garbage spam to the List anymore. Apart from the fact that this > particular email is highly offensive on every single level and I want > nothing to do with it, some of the stuff he's forwarded is a perfect vehicle > to inadvertently transmit malware, Trojan horses, viruses, etc. to us all. > The recent Israeli message is a great example and I hope you all did not > open that. Recently, more than one person on the list has had a system > crash, right? I'm always happy to hear from you guys, but I only want > Tiger-related mail in my inbox (from the List). Thank you. M > > > On 8/11/10 7:29 AM, "Howard gentry" wrote: > >> WTF????????? >> >> The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. >> >> --- On Tue, 8/10/10, Tony Somebody wrote: >> >> >> From: Tony Somebody >> Subject: Fw: Teary-Eyed >> To: "Mikw Scheiner" , "Larry Conley" >> , "Powell Cooke" >> Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 12:46 PM >> >>> Scroll down- its there- I just removed all the fwds. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drarmacost at pmlights.com > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the Recipient. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and might not represent those of Peterson Manufacturing and subsidiaries (Maxi-Seal Harness, Mission Plastics North/Arkansas, Transworld, Vector Tool) . Warning: Although Peterson Manufacturing and subsidiaries (Maxi-Seal Harness, Mission Plastics North/Arkansas, Transworld, Vector Tool) has taken reasonable precautions to ensure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From rande at thecia.net Wed Aug 11 20:10:59 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:10:59 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Teary Eyed Message-ID: <4c635833.213c.0@thecia.net> I'm reminded of the cartoon, I think, from the New Yorker magazine. It is a picture of a canine looking at his desktop monitor, and the caption reads, "On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog". You( and I mean the collective 'you') don't know who all of the subscribers on the Tiger and Alpine user list are, but be assured that it is as diverse as the general population of the nation is, and we have subscribers outside the U.S., too. We might be dealing with 1960's cars, but our community regard needs to be decades more advanced. I don't want 'mc dangerous'out on a limb alone, and I thank the others for posting to support him. RB From Robin02 at mindspring.com Wed Aug 11 20:15:04 2010 From: Robin02 at mindspring.com (Robin Young) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:15:04 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Heat and starter In-Reply-To: <669187.79714.qm@web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If any one needs one of these, I have one for a bargain price. I have a Ford Performance mini starter that will fit with headers. I put it on my car but it did not work with the Lakewood scatter shield. It is part number M-11000-B50 and is called a 5.0 Super Starter. It is new in the box (except for my attempt to install it and I will sell it for 200.00 plus shipping. Robin Young B9471769 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of mike schreiner Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 10:20 AM To: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Heat and starter The new High Tourqe starters are small compared to stock and therefore not as close to the heat of the headers....and start better From alpdavegre at msn.com Wed Aug 11 22:38:54 2010 From: alpdavegre at msn.com (DAVID GREEN) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:38:54 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] LAT 9 center caps and Panasport center caps Message-ID: Hello all, I have one Tiger owner who asks if the size of the LAT 9 center cap project I am doing is the same diameter as the Panasport center cap. I have no Panasport wheel to compare it with. The max OD of the LAT 9 cap is 2 1/4". Anyone out there who can shed some light on size of the Panasport?? Have 30 caps pre sold like to hit 50 for a price break. Order now. Thanks. Dave Green From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Aug 11 23:05:44 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:05:44 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] LAT 9 center caps and Panasport center caps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David, Its an interesting project you have started.. and i can see the need given many of the pie cutter guys could use a spare or two (or replace missing ones) however i can imagine you could get an order of 50 very easily if you did some to fit the panasports... think of it.. minimum 4 per car.. and lets say 50% + on the list probably have these wheels... i think investigating some to fit the panasports might turn out a worth while endevour On 12 August 2010 14:38, DAVID GREEN wrote: > Hello all, > > I have one Tiger owner who asks if the size of the LAT 9 center cap project > I > am doing is the same diameter as the Panasport center cap. I have no > Panasport > wheel to compare it with. The max OD of the LAT 9 cap is 2 1/4". Anyone out > there who can shed some light on size of the Panasport?? Have 30 caps pre > sold like to hit 50 for a price break. Order now. > Thanks. > Dave Green > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From achd73 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 11 23:17:43 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] LAT 9 center caps and Panasport center caps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <597204.57112.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To everyone buying the LAT 9 replacement center caps. I don't have the price, so I cant do the math but David, help me out here, if everyone who ordered, requested one more cap, would the price break be enough to be almost like getting the extra cap for free???? If not, what does the math show Dave- stopping at 50 as I imagine the next bracket to get a higher break i several more pieces. Sorry David but "I'm leaving it all up to you", You decide what we are going to do?"Seriously, Dave, show us the math, we may not need everyone to order a spare but remember gentleman, if you are luck enough to find a spare some day, it may need a cap, so this might be the last run unless you pay an outrageous price down the road.Thanks for doing the math so we can see what the cost will be if we all order a spare. Cheers, TonytheTiger --- On Wed, 8/11/10, DAVID GREEN wrote: From: DAVID GREEN Subject: [Tigers] LAT 9 center caps and Panasport center caps To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 11:38 PM Hello all, I have one Tiger owner who asks if the size of the LAT 9 center cap project I am doing is the same diameter as the Panasport center cap. I have no Panasport wheel to compare it with. The max OD of the LAT 9 cap is 2 1/4". Anyone out there who can shed some light on size of the Panasport?? Have 30 caps pre sold like to hit 50 for a price break. Order now. Thanks. Dave Green _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 12 00:37:23 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 23:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re: Fw: Teary-Eyed Message-ID: <136846.94873.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Thu, 8/12/10, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Teary-Eyed To: "Robin Young" , " Don Jr.Armacost" Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 12:31 AM I have not sent anything to the list, I have to individuals, IF anything went to the LIST, it was not intentional. Today I received an email from Owain and I was a bit confused as I didn't remember sending it to him, although I had sent him an email, a cartoon a few days earlier. If I had purposely sent anything to the LIST, I'm man enough to stand up and admit to it. I will go thru my sent folder and see. As I mentioned, IF the joke I sent to some members posted to the LIST, it was totally accidental. I have never posted any off topic type post and if I was going to do so, I would mark it as such in the subject area. If someone would, please fwd. the email back to me, so I can compare it to my email- if it was fwd. to the LIST and made to look as if I did so, I will try to figure out who did so. regards, Tony Lang or Tony Somebody or Tony Someone, as a female friend opened both a yahoo account and a hot mail account for me years ago and she didn't know my last name. I had WEB TV at the time, so I was totally PC illiterate, almost as bad as I am now.I left it as is because I didn't feel it was important the world know your name. Identity theft was just getting national attention, so I though it was a good way to help protect myself. From zymmer4 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 12 04:27:56 2010 From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 03:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Teary-Eyed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <717956.19483.qm@web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Get a clue guys..I Did Not Send That Letter To You Or Anyone, And I RESENT ToTALLY Any Thought By Anyone That I Did..I Do Not Subscribe To Any Partisan Group Anywhere..Unless The Tigers List Is Partisan Yours, zymmer4 The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Wed, 8/11/10, Owain Lloyd wrote: From: Owain Lloyd Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Teary-Eyed To: "Robin Young" Cc: "tigers at autox.team.net" Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 8:31 PM actually it seems Howard sent it to the list! thanks Howard..... On Thursday, August 12, 2010, Robin Young wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Would U. Believe > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 6:43 PM > To: Howard gentry; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Teary-Eyed > It does not appear that Tony sent this to the list....just to some friends. > Note the header below and I did not receive it from him....just a forward > from someone else. > > Robin > > > > I'm really sorry to say it, but I wish someone would ask Mr. Somebody to not > forward such garbage spam to the List anymore. Apart from the fact that this > particular email is highly offensive on every single level and I want > nothing to do with it, some of the stuff he's forwarded is a perfect vehicle > to inadvertently transmit malware, Trojan horses, viruses, etc. to us all. > The recent Israeli message is a great example and I hope you all did not > open that. Recently, more than one person on the list has had a system > crash, right? I'm always happy to hear from you guys, but I only want > Tiger-related mail in my inbox (from the List). Thank you. M > > > On 8/11/10 7:29 AM, "Howard gentry" wrote: > >> WTF????????? >> >> The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. >> >> --- On Tue, 8/10/10, Tony Somebody wrote: >> >> >> From: Tony Somebody >> Subject: Fw: Teary-Eyed >> To: "Mikw Scheiner" , "Larry Conley" >> , "Powell Cooke" >> Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 12:46 PM >> >>> Scroll down- its there- I just removed all the fwds. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/zymmer4 at yahoo.com From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Thu Aug 12 05:02:57 2010 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:02:57 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Teary Eyed In-Reply-To: <4c635833.213c.0@thecia.net> References: <4c635833.213c.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: given the responses, it reminds me more of the 'mohammad cartoons'! :) On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:10 AM, rande wrote: > I'm reminded of the cartoon, I think, from the New Yorker magazine. It is a > picture of a canine looking at his desktop monitor, and the caption reads, > "On > the internet, nobody knows you're a dog". > > You( and I mean the collective 'you') don't know who all of the subscribers > on the Tiger and Alpine user list are, but be assured that it is as diverse > as the general population of the nation is, and we have subscribers outside > the U.S., too. We might be dealing with 1960's cars, but our community > regard > needs to be decades more advanced. > > I don't want 'mc dangerous'out on a limb alone, and I thank the others for > posting > to support him. > > RB > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com From mcdangerous at verizon.net Thu Aug 12 05:46:17 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 07:46:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Teary Eyed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Owain, I know you're just joking around, and I appreciate that, but I wanted to just say that there's nothing irrational about not being a racist or a misogynist and not wanting such crap to enter my home. Hey, have you pulled the trigger and moved to the States yet? Cheers. On 8/12/10 7:02 AM, "Owain Lloyd" wrote: > given the responses, it reminds me more of the 'mohammad cartoons'! :) > > On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:10 AM, rande wrote: > >> I'm reminded of the cartoon, I think, from the New Yorker magazine. It is a >> picture of a canine looking at his desktop monitor, and the caption reads, >> "On >> the internet, nobody knows you're a dog". >> >> You( and I mean the collective 'you') don't know who all of the subscribers >> on the Tiger and Alpine user list are, but be assured that it is as diverse >> as the general population of the nation is, and we have subscribers outside >> the U.S., too. We might be dealing with 1960's cars, but our community >> regard >> needs to be decades more advanced. >> >> I don't want 'mc dangerous'out on a limb alone, and I thank the others for >> posting >> to support him. >> >> RB >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net From mcdangerous at verizon.net Thu Aug 12 05:47:50 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 07:47:50 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Teary Eyed In-Reply-To: <4c635833.213c.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: Hi all. Thanks for that, Rande. I appreciate it. I never imagined that just asking to not get offensive spam from List members could possibly be seen as somehow controversial by anyone. I received a ranting email late last night from Mr. Somebody (text below), so I guess I was wrong. Do I really deserve such a level of disdain and disrespect? Is 3The generl consenious2 really that I am a 3whiney cry baby2? Wow. If that9s the case, would someone else -- someone who has at least a second grade education -- let me know off-line? I9d appreciate knowing if that's really true (from a rational person). It's not that I seek approval; I would just place my energies elsewhere. Thanks. M On 8/12/10 2:11 AM, "Tony Somebody" wrote: > You know what pal, I didnt send the email to the listnand I personally could > not give a flying fuck about you or your opinion. If you have something to say > to me, MAN up instead of asking someone to ask me- are you not able to ask > your self? hands put on backwards. Th generl consenious is you are a whiney > cry baby and I am not asking someone to tell you, I am saying so myself. > Mr. Somone On 8/11/10 10:10 PM, "rande" wrote: > I'm reminded of the cartoon, I think, from the New Yorker magazine. It is a > picture of a canine looking at his desktop monitor, and the caption reads, "On > the internet, nobody knows you're a dog". > > You( and I mean the collective 'you') don't know who all of the subscribers > on the Tiger and Alpine user list are, but be assured that it is as diverse > as the general population of the nation is, and we have subscribers outside > the U.S., too. We might be dealing with 1960's cars, but our community regard > needs to be decades more advanced. > > I don't want 'mc dangerous'out on a limb alone, and I thank the others for > posting > to support him. > > RB > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net From Carmods at aol.com Thu Aug 12 06:06:23 2010 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 08:06:23 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Teary-Eyed Message-ID: I never received "THE LETTER"! It must not have been on the List. John Logan In a message dated 8/12/2010 6:44:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, zymmer4 at yahoo.com writes: Get a clue guys..I Did Not Send That Letter To You Or Anyone, And I RESENT ToTALLY Any Thought By Anyone That I Did..I Do Not Subscribe To Any Partisan Group Anywhere..Unless The Tigers List Is Partisan Yours, zymmer4 From sigmaengr at carolina.rr.com Thu Aug 12 07:44:24 2010 From: sigmaengr at carolina.rr.com (Sigma Engineering) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 09:44:24 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Teary Eyed References: Message-ID: <6C55ED5782EF42AC8251F78F8166385E@D32K5JC1> I openly agree, that "joke" has no place on this public forum (went in the trash where it belonged). The World needs to move beyond this type of hatred. Lets keep this list to something we all love, our Tigers. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Would U. Believe" To: ; Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Teary Eyed > Hi all. Thanks for that, Rande. I appreciate it. I never imagined that > just asking to not get offensive spam from List members could possibly be > seen as somehow controversial by anyone. I received a ranting email late > last night from Mr. Somebody (text below), so I guess I was wrong. Do I > really deserve such a level of disdain and disrespect? Is 3The generl > consenious2 really that I am a 3whiney cry baby2? Wow. If that9s the > case, > would someone else -- someone who has at least a second grade education -- > let me know off-line? I9d appreciate knowing if that's really true (from > a > rational person). It's not that I seek approval; I would just place my > energies elsewhere. Thanks. M > > > On 8/12/10 2:11 AM, "Tony Somebody" wrote: > >> You know what pal, I didnt send the email to the listnand I personally > could >> not give a flying fuck about you or your opinion. If you have something >> to > say >> to me, MAN up instead of asking someone to ask me- are you not able to >> ask >> your self? hands put on backwards. Th generl consenious is you are a >> whiney >> cry baby and I am not asking someone to tell you, I am saying so myself. >> Mr. Somone > > > > On 8/11/10 10:10 PM, "rande" wrote: > >> I'm reminded of the cartoon, I think, from the New Yorker magazine. It is >> a >> picture of a canine looking at his desktop monitor, and the caption >> reads, > "On >> the internet, nobody knows you're a dog". >> >> You( and I mean the collective 'you') don't know who all of the >> subscribers >> on the Tiger and Alpine user list are, but be assured that it is as >> diverse >> as the general population of the nation is, and we have subscribers >> outside >> the U.S., too. We might be dealing with 1960's cars, but our community > regard >> needs to be decades more advanced. >> >> I don't want 'mc dangerous'out on a limb alone, and I thank the others >> for >> posting >> to support him. >> >> RB >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sigmaengr at carolina.rr.com From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com Thu Aug 12 09:14:51 2010 From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 10:14:51 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Teary-Eyed In-Reply-To: <188268.71567.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <179241.62413.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <188268.71567.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004401cb3a31$1d9b32f0$58d198d0$@com> Guys....words are flying here. I will say its hard to follow what happened, but when I look back through the list I see no evidence on my end that Tony sent this agreeably off-color joke to the tiger list. I agree the drama is way more than I'm interested in but we need to cut Tony some slack...I don't think he's responsible... The first email I have on this subject is from Howard... ( no offense Howard, I'm not insulted, and I see your email that you didn't send it. But the first email I got on the subject was from you. I DID NOT get the joke from Tony via the open list. I agree that jokes like this aren't appropriate for the nature of this list...at least that's my vote. But I don't get the impression Tony meant that the reach the list at all...he might have mis-typed someone's name in the email address line...I've done it before.. Anyway, let's just wipe the slate clean here, I'm sure Tony didn't intend for that to reach the list.... Cullen -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Howard gentry Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 6:30 AM To: Tony Somebody; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Teary-Eyed WTF????????? The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Tue, 8/10/10, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: Fw: Teary-Eyed To: "Mikw Scheiner" , "Larry Conley" , "Powell Cooke" Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 12:46 PM Scroll down- its there- I just removed all the fwds. Subject: Teary-Eyed "Teary-Eyed" Two black guys are at a bar talking. The first one says to the other, "Have you ever notice that after you have sex with a white woman that your eyes burn, your nose burns and you get all teary-eyed?" The second black guy says, "Yeah, all the time." The other says, "Why is that?" The second says, "I think it is the pepper spray." _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com From fastsage at cox.net Thu Aug 12 09:37:38 2010 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 08:37:38 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Selling a Tiger on Ebay Message-ID: <4C641542.4050306@cox.net> Hello Tiger Fans: After years of Tiger fun, I'm probably going to put my Tiger up for sale on Ebay (or ?). From reading their site, I'm not clear how to get paid securely if and when it sells. I've sold and bought lots of things on Ebay, paying and getting paid through Paypal, but for a lot smaller amounts. Advice would be appreciated. If anyone's in the market, let me know and I'll be happy to email photos and detailed information. Or, I can post all the details to the list and email photos to anyone interested. I'm about 25 miles south of Tucson, Arizona. Steve Sage 1966 MK1A ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15640) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= From mcdangerous at verizon.net Thu Aug 12 10:28:59 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (mcdangerous at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:28:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Tigers] Selling a Tiger on Ebay Message-ID: <1477656071.554935.1281630540003.JavaMail.root@vznit170080> Hi. I've sold a few cars on eBay. Please take what I say only as simple advice not as a guarantee. I would suggest you be excessively cautious with payments and use a high degree of common sense and cynicism. First, only accept wire transfer or certified checks. Cashier's checks only mean that the funds were available at the time the check was written, and don't prevent the buyer from emptying the account after that. Second, counterfeit certified checks and cashier's checks are out there and are so good that the bank won't even catch them until they go through the processing centers and come up as bogus. By then, about a week later, the car can be in the hands of the dishonest buyer (gone for you) and the bank will actually come after you for the money. This means you will be out of both the car and the money. When I sell a car, I always go to the issuing bank with the buyer to get cash. I ask the teller to verify the veracity of the check first. When I have the cash in my pocket at the bank, I hand over the title and keys. It's a mean old world out there. Just use common sense and be very careful. I had a guy from California buy an 2002 BMW M Coupe from me a while back. He sent his nephew out with a check. Together, we went to the bank and after everything checked out and I had the money in my hands, I drove the car to the shipping station with him behind me. When we got there, I removed my license plates and wished him adieu. (My wife drove me home from there). I may be interested in considering your car, depending on a few things. Would you please send me information and pictures? Thanks. M Aug 12, 2010 10:50:21 AM, fastsage at cox.net wrote: >Hello Tiger Fans: >After years of Tiger fun, I'm probably going to put my Tiger up for sale > >on Ebay (or ?). From reading their site, I'm not clear how to get paid >securely if and when it sells. I've sold and bought lots of things on >Ebay, paying and getting paid through Paypal, but for a lot smaller >amounts. Advice would be appreciated. > >If anyone's in the market, let me know and I'll be happy to email photos > >and detailed information. Or, I can post all the details to the list and >email photos to anyone interested. I'm about 25 miles south of Tucson, >Arizona. > >Steve Sage >1966 MK1A > > > > >======= >Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >(Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15640) >http://www.pctools.com/ >======= >_______________________________________________ >Tigers at autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at ver izon.net From laurin212 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 12 10:46:48 2010 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter L) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 09:46:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Selling a Tiger on Ebay In-Reply-To: <4C641542.4050306@cox.net> Message-ID: <692164.8734.qm@web53605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> id accept a wire transfer or cash in hand before car or title leaves my grubby little paws.... ive purchased and sold cars this way i dont like cashiers/banks checks, they can be forged --- On Thu, 8/12/10, Steve Sage wrote: From: Steve Sage Subject: [Tigers] Selling a Tiger on Ebay To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 11:37 AM Hello Tiger Fans: After years of Tiger fun, I'm probably going to put my Tiger up for sale on Ebay (or ?). From reading their site, I'm not clear how to get paid securely if and when it sells. I've sold and bought lots of things on Ebay, paying and getting paid through Paypal, but for a lot smaller amounts. Advice would be appreciated. If anyone's in the market, let me know and I'll be happy to email photos and detailed information. Or, I can post all the details to the list and email photos to anyone interested. I'm about 25 miles south of Tucson, Arizona. Steve Sage 1966 MK1A From jd.sencindiver at gmail.com Thu Aug 12 11:10:34 2010 From: jd.sencindiver at gmail.com (Jim Sencindiver) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:10:34 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Selling a Tiger on Ebay In-Reply-To: <1477656071.554935.1281630540003.JavaMail.root@vznit170080> References: <1477656071.554935.1281630540003.JavaMail.root@vznit170080> Message-ID: I bought one car on eBay: a 1973 Mercedes 450SL as an "all year" present for my wife (one present for our anniversary, Christmas, Valentines day, her birthday, etc.) I charged it to 2 credit cards, as the seller was a Collectable Car Dealer. Put a deposit ($500, IIRC) down at the close of the auction and did the rest in person when we picked up the car. Unfortunately, I don't think this will help you out, unless you have the ability to process credit cards! -- Jim Sencindiver B382100451/TAC 448 http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 12:28 PM, wrote: > Hi. I've sold a few cars on eBay. Please take what I say only as simple > advice not as a guarantee. I would suggest you be excessively cautious > with > payments and use a high degree of common sense and cynicism. First, only > accept wire transfer or certified checks. Cashier's checks only mean that > the > funds were available at the time the check was written, and don't prevent > the > buyer from emptying the account after that. Second, counterfeit certified > checks and cashier's checks are out there and are so good that the bank > won't > even catch them until they go through the processing centers and come up as > bogus. By then, about a week later, the car can be in the hands of the > dishonest buyer (gone for you) and the bank will actually come after you > for > the money. This means you will be out of both the car and the money. When > I > sell a car, I always go to the issuing bank with the buyer to get cash. I > ask > the teller to verify the veracity of the check first. When I have the cash > in > my pocket at the bank, I hand over the title and keys. It's a mean old > world > out there. Just use common sense and be very careful. I had a guy from > California buy an 2002 BMW M Coupe from me a while back. He sent his > nephew > out with a check. Together, we went to the bank and after everything > checked > out and I had the money in my hands, I drove the car to the shipping > station > with him behind me. When we got there, I removed my license plates and > wished > him adieu. (My wife drove me home from there). > > I may be interested in considering your car, depending on a few things. > Would > you please send me information and pictures? Thanks. M > > Aug 12, 2010 10:50:21 AM, fastsage at cox.net wrote: > > >Hello Tiger Fans: > >After years of Tiger fun, I'm probably going to put my Tiger up for sale > > > >on Ebay (or ?). From reading their site, I'm not clear how to get paid > >securely if and when it sells. I've sold and bought lots of things on > >Ebay, paying and getting paid through Paypal, but for a lot smaller > >amounts. Advice would be appreciated. > > > >If anyone's in the market, let me know and I'll be happy to email photos > > > >and detailed information. Or, I can post all the details to the list and > >email photos to anyone interested. I'm about 25 miles south of Tucson, > >Arizona. > > > >Steve Sage > >1966 MK1A From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Thu Aug 12 11:19:47 2010 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo)) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:19:47 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Selling a Tiger on Ebay In-Reply-To: <1477656071.554935.1281630540003.JavaMail.root@vznit170080> References: <1477656071.554935.1281630540003.JavaMail.root@vznit170080> Message-ID: Steve and all, Remember one CAN stop payment on a Cashiers check. When I bought my Tiger I had a cashiers check, but the guy wouldn't accept it. He had a friend who sold a Corvette and accepted a cashier's check and lost the car and the cash. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of mcdangerous at verizon.net Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 11:29 AM To: fastsage at cox.net Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Selling a Tiger on Ebay Hi. I've sold a few cars on eBay. Please take what I say only as simple advice not as a guarantee. I would suggest you be excessively cautious with payments and use a high degree of common sense and cynicism. First, only accept wire transfer or certified checks. Cashier's checks only mean that the funds were available at the time the check was written, and don't prevent the buyer from emptying the account after that. Second, counterfeit certified checks and cashier's checks are out there and are so good that the bank won't even catch them until they go through the processing centers and come up as bogus. By then, about a week later, the car can be in the hands of the dishonest buyer (gone for you) and the bank will actually come after you for the money. This means you will be out of both the car and the money. When I sell a car, I always go to the issuing bank with the buyer to get cash. I ask the teller to verify the veracity of the check first. When I have the cash in my pocket at the bank, I hand over the title and keys. It's a mean old world out there. Just use common sense and be very careful. I had a guy from California buy an 2002 BMW M Coupe from me a while back. He sent his nephew out with a check. Together, we went to the bank and after everything checked out and I had the money in my hands, I drove the car to the shipping station with him behind me. When we got there, I removed my license plates and wished him adieu. (My wife drove me home from there). I may be interested in considering your car, depending on a few things. Would you please send me information and pictures? Thanks. M Aug 12, 2010 10:50:21 AM, fastsage at cox.net wrote: >Hello Tiger Fans: >After years of Tiger fun, I'm probably going to put my Tiger up for sale > >on Ebay (or ?). From reading their site, I'm not clear how to get paid >securely if and when it sells. I've sold and bought lots of things on >Ebay, paying and getting paid through Paypal, but for a lot smaller >amounts. Advice would be appreciated. > >If anyone's in the market, let me know and I'll be happy to email photos > >and detailed information. Or, I can post all the details to the list and >email photos to anyone interested. I'm about 25 miles south of Tucson, >Arizona. > >Steve Sage >1966 MK1A > > > > >======= >Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. >(Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15640) >http://www.pctools.com/ >======= >_______________________________________________ >Tigers at autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at ve r izon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 12 11:20:49 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 10:20:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] I Think Message-ID: <810840.84929.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dave Franchi was kind enough to send me a copy of the email that most people received. It seems not everyone received it from the list as I didnt BUT I did get the orginl. IF you look, you will see the email is to me from Howard. It said WTF??? and a copy was sent to the LIST. Since he was replying to the joke I sent to him, as I did use BCC on some addresses. Im guessing, he has me in his address book as TonytheTiger and may have accidently clicked on tiger List while clicking on my name. Im positive Howard didnt mean for his email to me to have a copy sent to the list but if you examine the email, it is exactly what happened.its obvious that this was not intentionl on anyoens paart other than the people I sent it to personally and it is up to them to decide how they feel. I have two biracial grandchildren and I sent the joke to my 17 year old grandson, my Granddaughter is a bit young plus a lady.The Grandson is pretty wild IMO. Im sorry I ever received the joke and Im even sorrir WUB went to the extreme with his problem with it. he can say its the joke but it goes further back to another problem. I dont like him, he doesnt like me and both of us need to keep it off list. regards, TonytheTiger From atwittsend at verizon.net Thu Aug 12 11:59:52 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 10:59:52 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Selling a Tiger on Ebay References: <4C641542.4050306@cox.net> Message-ID: <17C0C870CA1844C2BB81627D0D51926F@student2> Steve, I believe Ebay offers an "escrow" service. In essence they act as the middle man, a nuteral third party. They get the funds and when the buyer gets the car they release the funds. Not sure how well it works, or the cost, but you might want to check that. In theory it might help sell the car, because the buyer likely has similar apprehension. I recent bought a '64 Studebaker Daytona off ebay. I get there to pick it up and find out it is "Uncle Lester's" car not the seller. And Uncle Lester is out of town and didn't sign the pink slip. It was $70 for fuel and $100 to my friend for the use of his truck/trailer so I took the car and left the money with the "nephews." Then it was a nail biting 11 days..., but I did finally get the signed pink slip. In this case my faith paid off, but it also could have gone the other way. Tom Witt From mcdangerous at verizon.net Thu Aug 12 11:59:15 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (mcdangerous at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:59:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Tigers] Selling a Tiger on Ebay Message-ID: <900370301.560062.1281635955842.JavaMail.root@vznit170080> /VPzU6E: Permission denied From mcdangerous at verizon.net Thu Aug 12 12:15:40 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (mcdangerous at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:15:40 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Tigers] I Think Message-ID: <316333404.560738.1281636940992.JavaMail.root@vznit170080> I obviously did not go to any extreme. I simply asked that someone please ask you to quit sending garbage and offensive material to the List because besides being offensive, it's a vehicle for really bad things to get transmitted to the unsuspecting people's systems. I have avoided direct contact with you until now because you seem really unbalanced and I wanted nothing to do with you. Clearly, I was spot on with that assessment, based on the profanity-riddled email you sent to me overnight, which I copied to the List because you claimed has a negative "gernerl consenious" in my regard. I thought I'd check to see if that was true. To be really clear, I did not actually dislike you until just now. Please avoid making further contact or referencing me directly or indirectly. Thank you. M P.S. I'll also take this opportunity to tell you that, when referencing women, you may want to not refer to them as "females", which is the way one might reference livestock. Thanks again. Aug 12, 2010 12:48:41 PM, achd73 at yahoo.com wrote: >Dave Franchi was kind enough to send me a copy of the email that most people >received. It seems not everyone received it from the list as I didnt BUT I did >get the orginl. IF you look, you will see the email is to me from Howard. It >said WTF??? and a copy was sent to the LIST. Since he was replying to the joke >I sent to him, as I did use BCC on some addresses. Im guessing, he has me in >his address book as TonytheTiger and may have accidently clicked on tiger List >while clicking on my name. Im positive Howard didnt mean for his email to me >to have a copy sent to the list but if you examine the email, it is exactly >what happened.its obvious that this was not intentionl on anyoens paart other >than the people I sent it to personally and it is up to them to decide how >they feel. I have two biracial grandchildren and I sent the joke to my 17 year >old grandson, my Granddaughter is a bit young plus a lady.The Grandson is >pretty wild IMO. Im sorry I ever received > the joke and Im even sorrir WUB went to the extreme with his problem with it. >he can say its the joke but it goes further back to another problem. I dont >like him, he doesnt like me and both of us need to keep it off list. >regards, >TonytheTiger >_______________________________________________ >Tigers at autox.team.net >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net From s_ralsten at yahoo.com Thu Aug 12 13:29:02 2010 From: s_ralsten at yahoo.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] I Think In-Reply-To: <316333404.560738.1281636940992.JavaMail.root@vznit170080> Message-ID: <613778.7671.qm@web120115.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I think I'll second the request that this list return to Tiger talk. It is not the place for display of jokes, funny, sexist, racist or any other kind. I think that might have been accidental but more than that it is not the place for personal arguements aired publicly. that are clearly NOT accidental. Anyone wanting to continue please make the disagreements private. Steve From simer.frank at gmail.com Thu Aug 12 13:52:05 2010 From: simer.frank at gmail.com (Frank Simer) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:52:05 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] I Think In-Reply-To: <613778.7671.qm@web120115.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <316333404.560738.1281636940992.JavaMail.root@vznit170080> <613778.7671.qm@web120115.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I am for keeping it to cars- go tweet if you have a rant On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Steve Ralsten wrote: > I think I'll second the request that this list return to Tiger talk. It is > not > the place for display of jokes, funny, sexist, racist or any other kind. I > think that might have been accidental but more than that it is not the > place > for personal arguements aired publicly. that are clearly NOT > accidental. Anyone wanting to continue please make the disagreements > private. > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/simer.frank at gmail.com From dave at munroe.ca Thu Aug 12 13:53:52 2010 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 16:53:52 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] I Think In-Reply-To: <613778.7671.qm@web120115.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <613778.7671.qm@web120115.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <68A999A6038746EEBA8E2B20358A1B6A@DavePC> This is an interesting but exhausted conversation. Lets let it rest. Back to Tiger questions: In my search for the lost oil pressure, I would like to try a shorter filter that screws directly to the block - the one that doesn't interfere with the headers. Does anyone please have a filter number? Thanks, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Ralsten" To: ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] I Think >I think I'll second the request that this list return to Tiger talk. It is >not > the place for display of jokes, funny, sexist, racist or any other kind. I > think that might have been accidental but more than that it is not the > place > for personal arguements aired publicly. that are clearly NOT > accidental. Anyone wanting to continue please make the disagreements > private. > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave at munroe.ca From allanballard at att.net Thu Aug 12 14:28:20 2010 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 16:28:20 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] speedometer In-Reply-To: <68A999A6038746EEBA8E2B20358A1B6A@DavePC> References: <613778.7671.qm@web120115.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <68A999A6038746EEBA8E2B20358A1B6A@DavePC> Message-ID: My odometer works although I do not know if it's accurate, but the speedometer does not work. Is that typically a cable issue or do I need to find a speedometer repair shop? From mark.rense at ge.com Thu Aug 12 14:32:19 2010 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 16:32:19 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] I Think In-Reply-To: <68A999A6038746EEBA8E2B20358A1B6A@DavePC> References: <613778.7671.qm@web120115.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <68A999A6038746EEBA8E2B20358A1B6A@DavePC> Message-ID: Dave, I use a WIX/NAPA short filter that is a direct screw-on, but I don't have the number at work, I'll get it to you this evening. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Munroe Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 3:54 PM To: Steve Ralsten; achd73 at yahoo.com; mcdangerous at verizon.net Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] I Think This is an interesting but exhausted conversation. Lets let it rest. Back to Tiger questions: In my search for the lost oil pressure, I would like to try a shorter filter that screws directly to the block - the one that doesn't interfere with the headers. Does anyone please have a filter number? Thanks, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Ralsten" To: ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] I Think >I think I'll second the request that this list return to Tiger talk. It is >not > the place for display of jokes, funny, sexist, racist or any other kind. I > think that might have been accidental but more than that it is not the > place > for personal arguements aired publicly. that are clearly NOT > accidental. Anyone wanting to continue please make the disagreements > private. > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave at munroe.ca _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mark.rense at ge.com From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 12 14:57:42 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] speedometer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <475328.23172.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Remove the cable from the back of the speedo and you can either jack the car up and put it on stands or do it while driving BUT you must find out if the cable is turning from the transmission. It could be the gear on the end of the cable. you may need a new cable or have a kink in your housing and lastly the speedo its self. Most likely it is the gear or worn out cable but it isn't a hard fix and you can do it yourself until it proves to be the speedo, then a professional will be required but there are those who make such repairs on the list. regards,TtT --- On Thu, 8/12/10, Allan Ballard wrote: From: Allan Ballard Subject: [Tigers] speedometer To: "LIST TIGER" Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 3:28 PM My odometer works although I do not know if it's accurate, but the speedometer does not work. Is that typically a cable issue or do I need to find a speedometer repair shop? _______________________________________________ Tigers at Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Aug 12 15:02:05 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 17:02:05 EDT Subject: [Tigers] I Think Message-ID: <84fad.789d2266.3995bb4d@aol.com> Dave, The last numbers I had were; Mopar L319 (L335) Motorcraft FL313 Purolator FC101 AC X-21 (PF952) NAPA 1335 Fram PH3512 Wix 51335 If you don't have the adapter that screws into the block the last Ford part # that I had was F1AZ 6890-B Mark L Back to Tiger questions: In my search for the lost oil pressure, I would like to try a shorter filter that screws directly to the block - the one that doesn't interfere with the headers. Does anyone please have a filter number? Thanks, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Ralsten" To: ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] I Think >I think I'll second the request that this list return to Tiger talk. It is >not > the place for display of jokes, funny, sexist, racist or any other kind. I > think that might have been accidental but more than that it is not the > place > for personal arguements aired publicly. that are clearly NOT > accidental. Anyone wanting to continue please make the disagreements > private. > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave at munroe.ca _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From mcdangerous at verizon.net Thu Aug 12 14:57:30 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (mcdangerous at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:57:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Tigers] I Think Message-ID: <1692499894.566441.1281646650967.JavaMail.root@vznit170080> Since this is all I asked for in the beginning, I 100% agree with you. Thanks! M Aug 12, 2010 02:29:03 PM, s_ralsten at yahoo.com wrote: > >5px">I think I'll second the request that this list return to Tiger >talk. It is not the place for display of jokes, funny, sexist, racist or any other >kind. I think that might have been accidental but more than that it is not the place >for personal arguements aired publicly. that are clearly NOT accidental. Anyone >wanting to continue please make the disagreements private. Steve From Landcmitch at aol.com Thu Aug 12 15:23:51 2010 From: Landcmitch at aol.com (Landcmitch at aol.com) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 17:23:51 EDT Subject: [Tigers] speedometer Message-ID: <102d85.40bca913.3995c067@aol.com> Allan, Same thing with mine. It's not the cable if the odometer works. Probable the small bearing in the drive disc. You can fix it, but it's not worth it. Mine was fixed and completely refurbished by Palo Alto Speedometer in Palo Alto, Calif. Look up their web site. They do business by mail. Mine cost 185 bucks. On this list back a few months, someone referenced a Jaeger Repair Manual that you can download: _http://home.comcast.net/~rhodes/speedo.html_ (http://home.comcast.net/~rhodes/speedo.html) . Charlie In a message dated 8/12/2010 1:46:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, allanballard at att.net writes: My odometer works although I do not know if it's accurate, but the speedometer does not work. Is that typically a cable issue or do I need to find a speedometer repair shop? _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/landcmitch at aol.com From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Thu Aug 12 15:34:56 2010 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo)) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 16:34:56 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] speedometer In-Reply-To: <475328.23172.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <475328.23172.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7DFE7776BF954327B70A1E33EDFF162D@jerry> Allan, If the odometer works than it is the speedo portion inside the case that isn't working. The fact that the odometer works means the cable is turning. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 3:58 PM To: Allan Ballard; Beamclub Subject: Re: [Tigers] speedometer Remove the cable from the back of the speedo and you can either jack the car up and put it on stands or do it while driving BUT you must find out if the cable is turning from the transmission. It could be the gear on the end of the cable. you may need a new cable or have a kink in your housing and lastly the speedo its self. Most likely it is the gear or worn out cable but it isn't a hard fix and you can do it yourself until it proves to be the speedo, then a professional will be required but there are those who make such repairs on the list. regards,TtT --- On Thu, 8/12/10, Allan Ballard wrote: From: Allan Ballard Subject: [Tigers] speedometer To: "LIST TIGER" Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 3:28 PM My odometer works although I do not know if it's accurate, but the speedometer does not work. Is that typically a cable issue or do I need to find a speedometer repair shop? _______________________________________________ Tigers at Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net From mark44124 at gmail.com Thu Aug 12 15:45:45 2010 From: mark44124 at gmail.com (Mark Rense) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 17:45:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] I Think In-Reply-To: References: <613778.7671.qm@web120115.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <68A999A6038746EEBA8E2B20358A1B6A@DavePC> Message-ID: Dave, The filter numbers: WIX 51335 NAPA 1335 These fit directly on the block and are flat enough to clear the mounts and chassis. I use them on a car with stock exhaust manifolds, I do not know if they will fit if you have headers. Bugz -----Original Message----- From: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) [mailto:mark.rense at ge.com] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 4:32 PM To: Dave Munroe Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] I Think Dave, I use a WIX/NAPA short filter that is a direct screw-on, but I don't have the number at work, I'll get it to you this evening. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Munroe Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 3:54 PM To: Steve Ralsten; achd73 at yahoo.com; mcdangerous at verizon.net Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] I Think This is an interesting but exhausted conversation. Lets let it rest. Back to Tiger questions: In my search for the lost oil pressure, I would like to try a shorter filter that screws directly to the block - the one that doesn't interfere with the headers. Does anyone please have a filter number? Thanks, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Ralsten" To: ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] I Think >I think I'll second the request that this list return to Tiger talk. It is >not > the place for display of jokes, funny, sexist, racist or any other kind. I > think that might have been accidental but more than that it is not the > place > for personal arguements aired publicly. that are clearly NOT > accidental. Anyone wanting to continue please make the disagreements > private. > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave at munroe.ca _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mark.rense at ge.com From mcdangerous at verizon.net Thu Aug 12 16:35:57 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 18:35:57 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Turn Signal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My right front turn signal is erratic. I see that the rubber behind the bulb socket is rotting and the wire connection is a bit dodgy. Is there a state-of -the art way to replace just the bulb socket in the front marker light assemblies? Any part numbers or ideas would be great help. Thanks in advance. M From allanballard at att.net Thu Aug 12 16:54:27 2010 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 18:54:27 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] speedometer In-Reply-To: References: <613778.7671.qm@web120115.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <68A999A6038746EEBA8E2B20358A1B6A@DavePC> Message-ID: Thanks folks, I will replace the cable for good measure than probably send the speedo to Classic Sunbeam for repair an calibrqtion. Allan Ballarl On Aug 12, 2010, at 5:40 PM, Tom Parker wrote: > Allan, > > The speedometer's mechanical, so if the odometer works and the needle doesn't it's probably in the speedometer. That said, replacing the old cable is probably a good idea too. > > Tom > > On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Allan Ballard wrote: > My odometer works although I do not know if it's accurate, but the speedometer > does not work. > > Is that typically a cable issue or do I need to find a speedometer repair > shop? > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From stubrennan at comcast.net Thu Aug 12 18:46:04 2010 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 20:46:04 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Turn Signal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001cb3a80$eba560e0$6601a8c0@Brennan> I obtained a replacement socket from a local auto parts place, one that took a common bulb. I opened up the hole in the light assembly to accept the socket and sealed it in place with a big glob of RTV. I used a two wire socket so I didn't have to depend on the assembly's mounting screws for ground. Stu From mcdangerous at verizon.net Thu Aug 12 19:09:00 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 21:09:00 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Turn Signal In-Reply-To: <000001cb3a80$eba560e0$6601a8c0@Brennan> Message-ID: So it's just a normal socket Cool. Interesting idea about the ground. Thanks. On 8/12/10 8:46 PM, "Stu Brennan" wrote: > I obtained a replacement socket from a local auto parts place, one that > took a common bulb. I opened up the hole in the light assembly to > accept the socket and sealed it in place with a big glob of RTV. I used > a two wire socket so I didn't have to depend on the assembly's mounting > screws for ground. > > Stu From allanballard at att.net Thu Aug 12 19:35:37 2010 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 21:35:37 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Turn Signal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16C0AF87-54A3-47B6-A19B-CD0FF00692A2@att.net> Another method is to order a new one. My left front blinker went out due to corrosion that I could not remove sufficiently so I ordered a new unit. As soon as the order was placed the socket started working :) Allan Ballard On Aug 12, 2010, at 9:09 PM, Would U. Believe wrote: > So it's just a normal socket Cool. Interesting idea about the ground. > Thanks. > > > On 8/12/10 8:46 PM, "Stu Brennan" wrote: > >> I obtained a replacement socket from a local auto parts place, one that >> took a common bulb. I opened up the hole in the light assembly to >> accept the socket and sealed it in place with a big glob of RTV. I used >> a two wire socket so I didn't have to depend on the assembly's mounting >> screws for ground. >> >> Stu > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Thu Aug 12 20:19:12 2010 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo)) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 21:19:12 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Turn Signal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50849B8B24E841DB82FEDC256C77A15F@jerry> The sockets that I used are Motormite #85814. They are license and side markers sockets for Ford and GM cars 72-94 cars. (Pep Boys, Autozone,etc). Three things make them great, 1. NO modifications on the Tiger socket. 2. very small cutting on the new socket with a razorblade to make it fit (it's some kind of soft plastic)and 3. it has two wires so you can take the ground wire and attach to the pinch weld nearby. Mine have been on for 10 years. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Would U. Believe Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 5:36 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Turn Signal My right front turn signal is erratic. I see that the rubber behind the bulb socket is rotting and the wire connection is a bit dodgy. Is there a state-of -the art way to replace just the bulb socket in the front marker light assemblies? Any part numbers or ideas would be great help. Thanks in advance. M _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net From fastsage at cox.net Thu Aug 12 20:19:18 2010 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 19:19:18 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Selling a Tiger on Ebay In-Reply-To: <17C0C870CA1844C2BB81627D0D51926F@student2> References: <4C641542.4050306@cox.net> <17C0C870CA1844C2BB81627D0D51926F@student2> Message-ID: <4C64ABA6.1060804@cox.net> Hello Tom: Thanks for the tip. Very useful advice. Steve On 8/12/2010 10:59 AM, Thomas Witt wrote: > Steve, > I believe Ebay offers an "escrow" service. In essence they act as the > middle man, a nuteral third party. They get the funds and when the > buyer gets the car they release the funds. Not sure how well it works, > or the cost, but you might want to check that. > > In theory it might help sell the car, because the buyer likely has > similar apprehension. I recent bought a '64 Studebaker Daytona off > ebay. I get there to pick it up and find out it is "Uncle Lester's" > car not the seller. And Uncle Lester is out of town and didn't sign > the pink slip. It was $70 for fuel and $100 to my friend for the use > of his truck/trailer so I took the car and left the money with the > "nephews." Then it was a nail biting 11 days..., but I did finally > get the signed pink slip. In this case my faith paid off, but it > also could have gone the other way. > Tom Witt _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/fastsage at cox.net > > > > > > ======= > Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. > (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15640) > http://www.pctools.com/ > ======= > ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15640) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= From alpdavegre at msn.com Thu Aug 12 21:33:39 2010 From: alpdavegre at msn.com (DAVID GREEN) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 21:33:39 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] LAT9 centercaps and Panasport center caps Message-ID: Tony & All who are interested, Tony brings up a good point about the extra cap. We are at 40 now and some have indicated they want 5. The price at 20 caps is $30. When we get to 50 it drops $5 to $25. I talked to the machinist and 50 is about the lowest price as cost of material bottoms out. The Panasport cap project if they do not share the same diameter I am pretty sure is something he would undertake with around the same type of cost. I would need to approach him on this. If there is interest in it I could propose it to him when I pick up the sample of the LAT 9 cap. Needless to say I still need someone to give me a measurement on the Panasport wheel. Maybe Minilites or Superlites also. Please someone take the time to measure and reply to me. No one has asked me this but I will state this right now. If anyone is wondering, I AM NOT MAKING A PROFIT on this. I will be paying the same price as you. Just wanted to get some caps for my wifes project car and help out other Sunbeamers. Dave Green 14 Alpines 2 Mk 1 TIgers From djoh797014 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 12 22:16:54 2010 From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 21:16:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] speedometer In-Reply-To: References: <613778.7671.qm@web120115.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <68A999A6038746EEBA8E2B20358A1B6A@DavePC> Message-ID: <137706.34328.qm@web111612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In 1969 my 69 Tiger's speedometer pcked up on the PA turnpike near Pittsburgh on the way back to DC. The next week I opened the yellow pages and found a FAA certified instrument shop. I drove out on a Sunday and met Mr Tony Enrico. I mentioned to him that my father had j ust retired after 38 years in the FAA as an active controller from Indiana At one time he was the chief of the Control Town at Indianapolis. Mr Enrico said 'What's your father's name?' I replied 'Addison or AB' He stared at me 'Which of boys are you? 1 or 2 or 3?' I said I number 2 David Why? He responded 'Your father gave me my first job in the CAA in 1947 He turned to his wife and yelled 'Mama this is AB Johnson's number 2 boy! She came out and gave me a big hug. I got my speed rebuilt and a great Italian supper. Its a small world for Tiger owners. Too small for the issues going on now. I hope this true story makes you feel better. Dave ________________________________ From: Allan Ballard To: LIST TIGER Sent: Thu, August 12, 2010 4:28:20 PM Subject: [Tigers] speedometer My odometer works although I do not know if it's accurate, but the speedometer does not work. Is that typically a cable issue or do I need to find a speedometer repair shop? _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/djoh797014 at yahoo.com From djoh797014 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 12 22:32:11 2010 From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 21:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] speedometer In-Reply-To: <475328.23172.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <475328.23172.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <804506.76478.qm@web111610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Sorry, Mr Enrico is no longer alive. But her is some info. The speedo were not sufficient lube at the factory. After a few years the bearing in the speedo would sieze. The stopped the cable which wound up stripping the nylon gear in the trans. If you pull the cable down and drive, the cable should turn smoothly. If it jerks the gear has striipped or worn teeth. If the cable doesn't turn at all, the seized head has broken the cable or the gear if completely stripped. The original 15 tooth gears is made of unobtainium. 16 tooth gears and up can be found. Each step up drops the speedo showing by 3 mph. You should replace the cable. SS has them, replace the gear. and Remove the speedo. Insert of sqaure drive into the speed and try of turn the speedo. It should spin freely. Tiger Tom used to rebuild speedo at shows. You can drip and few drops of clean oil into the back and work the bearing back and forth. If it frees up you have only temporarly fixed the problem. The oil will last a few 1000 miles. You should send the unit to Nisongen to have the needle bearing replaced. Note while the Alpine speedo uses the same bearing the units aren't interchangable. ________________________________ From: Tony Somebody To: Allan Ballard ; Beamclub Sent: Thu, August 12, 2010 4:57:42 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] speedometer Remove the cable from the back of the speedo and you can either jack the car up and put it on stands or do it while driving BUT you must find out if the cable is turning from the transmission. It could be the gear on the end of the cable. you may need a new cable or have a kink in your housing and lastly the speedo its self. Most likely it is the gear or worn out cable but it isn't a hard fix and you can do it yourself until it proves to be the speedo, then a professional will be required but there are those who make such repairs on the list. regards,TtT --- On Thu, 8/12/10, Allan Ballard wrote: From: Allan Ballard Subject: [Tigers] speedometer To: "LIST TIGER" Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 3:28 PM My odometer works although I do not know if it's accurate, but the speedometer does not work. Is that typically a cable issue or do I need to find a speedometer repair shop? _______________________________________________ Tigers at Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/djoh797014 at yahoo.com From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 12 22:56:42 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 21:56:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] LAT9 centercaps and Panasport center caps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <385381.92784.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well if my math is right in my head, by getting to fifty we get a free cap as Ive ordered 8 or 9 (David, please remind me) and I will take an extra if I haven't ordered one already. If those who have ordered four, add one to make 5, the cost drops by $5 each and 5x5=$25 and thus the fifth makes the cost at 5x 25= 125 and 4x30 =120, so if I'm correct the extra cap will cost $5. What do you think fellows, wouldn't you rather have a spare, in case you find a spare Lat 9 that is cut and you would have the cap to make the repair. I once paid $500 for one wheel on epay so I would have a Lat9 spare in case I had a flat. I wish I had thought of that when I ordered my Minilites as I bought them from the factory and a dealer found out, complained to the factory and they will no longer sell to the public and of course now the dollar isn't worth much vs. the pound and it was just the opposite when I ordered the Minilites.I think we will reach 50 Dave, it would be cutting our on throats not to. Tony PS- My Minilites have a removable center cap. I will remove a wheel and send a measurement- I imangine they would be much more expensive unless he can make then thin as the orginals and then the Tiger head thick enough to be strong- maybe a cap that slides over the Minilite caps- you can dicuss it with the machinest person Dave. --- On Thu, 8/12/10, DAVID GREEN wrote: From: DAVID GREEN Subject: Re: [Tigers] LAT9 centercaps and Panasport center caps To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 10:33 PM Tony & All who are interested, Tony brings up a good point about the extra cap. We are at 40 now and some have indicated they want 5. The price at 20 caps is $30. When we get to 50 it drops $5 to $25. I talked to the machinist and 50 is about the lowest price as cost of material bottoms out. The Panasport cap project if they do not share the same diameter I am pretty sure is something he would undertake with around the same type of cost. I would need to approach him on this. If there is interest in it I could propose it to him when I pick up the sample of the LAT 9 cap. Needless to say I still need someone to give me a measurement on the Panasport wheel. Maybe Minilites or Superlites also. Please someone take the time to measure and reply to me. No one has asked me this but I will state this right now. If anyone is wondering, I AM NOT MAKING A PROFIT on this. I will be paying the same price as you. Just wanted to get some caps for my wifes project car and help out other Sunbeamers. Dave Green 14 Alpines 2 Mk 1 TIgers _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From arado7 at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 13 04:18:55 2010 From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 03:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] LAT9 centercaps and Panasport center caps In-Reply-To: <385381.92784.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <161650.88188.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> All this attention to LAT wheels. I still use my steel wheels, hubcaps and trim rings. What have I been missing? Drives and handles fine. Gary B9472283 --- On Fri, 8/13/10, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: Re: [Tigers] LAT9 centercaps and Panasport center caps To: tigers at autox.team.net, "DAVID GREEN" Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 4:56 AM Well if my math is right in my head, by getting to fifty we get a free cap as Ive ordered 8 or 9 (David, please remind me) and I will take an extra if I haven't ordered one already. If those who have ordered four, add one to make 5, the cost drops by $5 each and 5x5=$25 and thus the fifth makes the cost at 5x 25= 125 and 4x30 =120, so if I'm correct the extra cap will cost $5. What do you think fellows, wouldn't you rather have a spare, in case you find a spare Lat 9 that is cut and you would have the cap to make the repair. I once paid $500 for one wheel on epay so I would have a Lat9 spare in case I had a flat. I wish I had thought of that when I ordered my Minilites as I bought them from the factory and a dealer found out, complained to the factory and they will no longer sell to the public and of course now the dollar isn't worth much vs. the pound and it was just the opposite when I ordered the Minilites.I think we will reach 50 Dave, it would be cutting our on throats not to. Tony PS- My Minilites have a removable center cap. I will remove a wheel and send a measurement- I imangine they would be much more expensive unless he can make then thin as the orginals and then the Tiger head thick enough to be strong- maybe a cap that slides over the Minilite caps- you can dicuss it with the machinest person Dave. --- On Thu, 8/12/10, DAVID GREEN wrote: From: DAVID GREEN Subject: Re: [Tigers] LAT9 centercaps and Panasport center caps To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 10:33 PM Tony & All who are interested, Tony brings up a good point about the extra cap. We are at 40 now and some have indicated they want 5. The price at 20 caps is $30. When we get to 50 it drops $5 to $25. I talked to the machinist and 50 is about the lowest price as cost of material bottoms out. The Panasport cap project if they do not share the same diameter I am pretty sure is something he would undertake with around the same type of cost. I would need to approach him on this. If there is interest in it I could propose it to him when I pick up the sample of the LAT 9 cap. Needless to say I still need someone to give me a measurement on the Panasport wheel. Maybe Minilites or Superlites also. Please someone take the time to measure and reply to me. No one has asked me this but I will state this right now. If anyone is wondering, I AM NOT MAKING A PROFIT on this. I will be paying the same price as you. Just wanted to get some caps for my wifes project car and help out other Sunbeamers. Dave Green 14 Alpines 2 Mk 1 TIgers _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/arado7 at sbcglobal.net From CoolVT at aol.com Fri Aug 13 05:23:13 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 07:23:13 EDT Subject: [Tigers] speedometer Message-ID: <9c68d.3ed93e78.39968521@aol.com> The nice thing about using Nisongen is that they will ask you to fill out a simple chart with info that is gathered from pushing your car over a short measured distance. The speedo is calibrated based on the info that you provide. When I compare mine with a GPS, it is within 1 mph at most speeds up to 70mph. Mark In a message dated 8/13/2010 12:47:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, djoh797014 at yahoo.com writes: Sorry, Mr Enrico is no longer alive. But her is some info. The speedo were not sufficient lube at the factory. After a few years the bearing in the speedo would sieze. The stopped the cable which wound up stripping the nylon gear in the trans. If you pull the cable down and drive, the cable should turn smoothly. If it jerks the gear has striipped or worn teeth. If the cable doesn't turn at all, the seized head has broken the cable or the gear if completely stripped. The original 15 tooth gears is made of unobtainium. 16 tooth gears and up can be found. Each step up drops the speedo showing by 3 mph. You should replace the cable. SS has them, replace the gear. and Remove the speedo. Insert of sqaure drive into the speed and try of turn the speedo. It should spin freely. Tiger Tom used to rebuild speedo at shows. You can drip and few drops of clean oil into the back and work the bearing back and forth. If it frees up you have only temporarly fixed the problem. The oil will last a few 1000 miles. You should send the unit to Nisongen to have the needle bearing replaced. Note while the Alpine speedo uses the same bearing the units aren't interchangable. ________________________________ From: Tony Somebody To: Allan Ballard ; Beamclub Sent: Thu, August 12, 2010 4:57:42 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] speedometer Remove the cable from the back of the speedo and you can either jack the car up and put it on stands or do it while driving BUT you must find out if the cable is turning from the transmission. It could be the gear on the end of the cable. you may need a new cable or have a kink in your housing and lastly the speedo its self. Most likely it is the gear or worn out cable but it isn't a hard fix and you can do it yourself until it proves to be the speedo, then a professional will be required but there are those who make such repairs on the list. regards,TtT --- On Thu, 8/12/10, Allan Ballard wrote: From: Allan Ballard Subject: [Tigers] speedometer To: "LIST TIGER" Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 3:28 PM My odometer works although I do not know if it's accurate, but the speedometer does not work. Is that typically a cable issue or do I need to find a speedometer repair shop? _______________________________________________ Tigers at Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/djoh797014 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From Carmods at aol.com Fri Aug 13 07:04:58 2010 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:04:58 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Oil Filter Adaptor Message-ID: <9046b.1446c305.39969cfa@aol.com> The adaptor for the oil filter to block is available at The National Parts Depot 352 387 0021. They call it 6890-A In a message dated 8/12/2010 5:22:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, CoolVT at aol.com writes: If you don't have the adapter that screws into the block the last Ford part # that I had was F1AZ 6890-B From wseay at embarqmail.com Fri Aug 13 09:13:57 2010 From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:13:57 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] speedometer In-Reply-To: References: <613778.7671.qm@web120115.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <68A999A6038746EEBA8E2B20358A1B6A@DavePC> Message-ID: <000001cb3afa$26f979f0$74ec6dd0$@com> If the odometer works, it can't be the cable. There's a small chance that your problem is just that the spedo needle is sticking to the stop. I have seen this in both new and reconditioned spedos. the paint on the needle gets stickey and sticks the needle to the stop. Get your Tiger going at 10 MPH or above and give a good tap to the face of the spedo. It may just spring to life. If so, the permanent fix is to open the spedo up and scrape away the paint on the underside of the needle where it contacts the stop. A more modern alternative to this is to slide a small amount of Teflon tubing over the stop. Good luck.. Will Seay B382001570 wseay at embarqmail.com -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allan Ballard Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 4:28 PM To: LIST TIGER Subject: [Tigers] speedometer My odometer works although I do not know if it's accurate, but the speedometer does not work. Is that typically a cable issue or do I need to find a speedometer repair shop? _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wseay at embarqmail.com From achd73 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 13 09:52:39 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 08:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] LAT9 centercaps and Panasport center caps Message-ID: <747428.59088.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You have missed nothing but those of us who are lucky enough to own a nice set of LAT 9 optional wheel, they are kinda sorta rare and since they didn't have a center hole for the old style bubble balancing tool, many people cut the top off- which was a Tigers head- not knowing that there was a strobe light balancing tool, where the mechanic jacked the car up, placed an electric motor against the tire and rotated it at the desired rpm as the machine had a rheostat switch to control speed or RPM if you would. he then made a chalk mark on the wheel and a strobe light that fired according too "I have no idea" and he added the desired weight to balance the wheel. My now passed on mechanic once told me he couldn't understand how people thought their wheels where balanced, as they bubbled balanced them, put them back on the car and then added the hubcap- changing the work he had just completed thus his guarantee that they where balanced. he retired at age 74 when it took more time doing the state and federal paperwork than doing half the mechanic work and he was an extremely good mechanic. His father had sold two different cars from the building his shop was in and he was also a decorated WW2 war hero. Anyway, Davis Green has found someone to make new Tiger head caps(the wheels are made of aluminum,IMHOP) so they can be welded on- a new cut might be required on the piece or the wheel to make then all look the same. I have a beautiful original set and a cut set and if any of you know someone who has a couple for sale I would love to have a spare for both sets as they have factory offsets. I hope Ive made it at least as clear as mud. if not, ask me anything not understood. warmest regards, TonytheTiger --- On Fri, 8/13/10, arado7 at sbcglobal.net wrote: From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] LAT9 centercaps and Panasport center caps To: tigers at autox.team.net, "DAVID GREEN" , "Tony Somebody" Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 5:18 AM All this attention to LAT wheels. I still use my steel wheels, hubcaps and trim rings. What have I been missing? Drives and handles fine. Gary B9472283 From achd73 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 13 09:56:59 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 08:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] speedometer In-Reply-To: <000001cb3afa$26f979f0$74ec6dd0$@com> Message-ID: <996540.45114.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Will is right, I have had to tap on the glass in the past on more than one Tiger to get the speedo working- stuck needle!!. Memory is shot. Im sorry I reccomended testing the cable and gear, whic if the trip meter is working,The gear must be turning the trip meter. TtT --- On Fri, 8/13/10, Will Seay wrote: From: Will Seay Subject: Re: [Tigers] speedometer To: "'Allan Ballard'" , "'LIST TIGER'" Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 10:13 AM If the odometer works, it can't be the cable. There's a small chance that your problem is just that the spedo needle is sticking to the stop. I have seen this in both new and reconditioned spedos. the paint on the needle gets stickey and sticks the needle to the stop. Get your Tiger going at 10 MPH or above and give a good tap to the face of the spedo. It may just spring to life. If so, the permanent fix is to open the spedo up and scrape away the paint on the underside of the needle where it contacts the stop. A more modern alternative to this is to slide a small amount of Teflon tubing over the stop. Good luck.. Will Seay B382001570 wseay at embarqmail.com -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allan Ballard Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 4:28 PM To: LIST TIGER Subject: [Tigers] speedometer My odometer works although I do not know if it's accurate, but the speedometer does not work. Is that typically a cable issue or do I need to find a speedometer repair shop? _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wseay at embarqmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From CoolVT at aol.com Fri Aug 13 10:51:49 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:51:49 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Won't Start When Hot Message-ID: Thinking of the recent post where a car wouldn't start when hot, a recent tip in Mac's Mustang Parts reads like this... "Did you know that battery cables literally wear out? Years of temperature extremes and exposure to toxic battery fumes that leak from the case around the battery posts can cause corrosion to seep up underneath the insulation & wick its way up into the coper wiring. This of course, increases the resistance of the cable which reduces the amount of voltage that can travel thru the wire to & from the battery. This is a very common cause of car that won't start when the engine is hot from being driven. If the battery cables on your Mustang..........." Guess I still don't understand the logic of why it would affect the car more when the engine is hot. Mark L From achd73 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 13 11:27:18 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:27:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] drivers door glass In-Reply-To: <996540.45114.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <147975.37860.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a problem with my drives side door glass wanting to roll itself up while driving. I haven't removed the door pad as the upholster person was off some what matching the holes to the clips and I fear tearing the pockets out that hold the metal piece that pertrud into the holes in the door to hold the door panel on. I'm sure there must be an adjustment of some sort but wanted to ask if anyone else had encountered the same issue previously. Thanks in advance. TonytheTiger From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Fri Aug 13 12:21:11 2010 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:21:11 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Won't Start When Hot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: because as the car is driven the alternator/generator charges the battery. this current through the coroded cables with high resistance causes heat which increases resistance further to the point where not enough current will flow to crank the starter. happened to me with a bad connection in a battery isolator. it bamboozled the whole list until buck Trippel suggested that.... On Friday, August 13, 2010, wrote: > Thinking of the recent post where a car wouldn't start when hot, a recent > tip in Mac's Mustang Parts reads like this... > > "Did you know that battery cables literally wear out? Years of > temperature extremes and exposure to toxic battery fumes that leak from the case > around the battery posts can cause corrosion to seep up underneath the > insulation & wick its way up into the coper wiring. This of course, increases the > resistance of the cable which reduces the amount of voltage that can travel > thru the wire to & from the battery. > > This is a very common cause of car that won't start when the engine is hot > from being driven. If the battery cables on your Mustang..........." > > Guess I still don't understand the logic of why it would affect the car > more when the engine is hot. > > Mark L > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Fri Aug 13 12:21:56 2010 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 14:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] drivers door glass Message-ID: <34f73.671c8f3a.3996e744@aol.com> Inside the housing that the handle is attached to has a spring inside it. It acts as a brake to keep the dr glass from going up(counterbalance spring pushes up). The spring is either broken or frozen up. If you decide to repair this remove the counterbalance spring before removing the housing. HTH In a message dated 8/13/2010 10:50:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, achd73 at yahoo.com writes: I have a problem with my drives side door glass wanting to roll itself up while driving. I haven't removed the door pad as the upholster person was off some what matching the holes to the clips and I fear tearing the pockets out that hold the metal piece that pertrud into the holes in the door to hold the door panel on. I'm sure there must be an adjustment of some sort but wanted to ask if anyone else had encountered the same issue previously. Thanks in advance. TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aaaglasss at aol.com From rfraser at bluefrog.com Fri Aug 13 12:40:12 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 14:40:12 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Won't Start When Hot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark Basically laws of electricity; Volts = amperage X resistance. Since V is mostly a constant for your battery as Resistance increases you lose amperage. With the engine hot all metals expand and the starter can demand more amperage to overcome that internal mechanical resistance. Higher Resistance in the wire slows or prevents sufficient amperage reaching the starter. As Resistance increases heat at that resistance also increases and sometimes to the point where the smoke is let out. This is bad, sometimes very bad. The amperage is being consumed at the wrong position when this happens. The point here is that for this 12v system you want to keep resistance between any of the connections as low as possible so you get maximum voltage and amperage delivery to the intended point. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 12:52 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Won't Start When Hot Thinking of the recent post where a car wouldn't start when hot, a recent tip in Mac's Mustang Parts reads like this... "Did you know that battery cables literally wear out? Years of temperature extremes and exposure to toxic battery fumes that leak from the case around the battery posts can cause corrosion to seep up underneath the insulation & wick its way up into the coper wiring. This of course, increases the resistance of the cable which reduces the amount of voltage that can travel thru the wire to & from the battery. This is a very common cause of car that won't start when the engine is hot from being driven. If the battery cables on your Mustang..........." Guess I still don't understand the logic of why it would affect the car more when the engine is hot. Mark L _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net From CoolVT at aol.com Fri Aug 13 12:43:15 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 14:43:15 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Won't Start When Hot Message-ID: Appreciate that information. Now it makes some sense. Moral of the story....be sure you have a large and clean battery cable. In a message dated 8/13/2010 2:40:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rfraser at bluefrog.com writes: Mark Basically laws of electricity; Volts = amperage X resistance. Since V is mostly a constant for your battery as Resistance increases you lose amperage. With the engine hot all metals expand and the starter can demand more amperage to overcome that internal mechanical resistance. Higher Resistance in the wire slows or prevents sufficient amperage reaching the starter. As Resistance increases heat at that resistance also increases and sometimes to the point where the smoke is let out. This is bad, sometimes very bad. The amperage is being consumed at the wrong position when this happens. The point here is that for this 12v system you want to keep resistance between any of the connections as low as possible so you get maximum voltage and amperage delivery to the intended point. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 12:52 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Won't Start When Hot Thinking of the recent post where a car wouldn't start when hot, a recent tip in Mac's Mustang Parts reads like this... "Did you know that battery cables literally wear out? Years of temperature extremes and exposure to toxic battery fumes that leak from the case around the battery posts can cause corrosion to seep up underneath the insulation & wick its way up into the coper wiring. This of course, increases the resistance of the cable which reduces the amount of voltage that can travel thru the wire to & from the battery. This is a very common cause of car that won't start when the engine is hot from being driven. If the battery cables on your Mustang..........." Guess I still don't understand the logic of why it would affect the car more when the engine is hot. Mark L _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net From mgman71 at comcast.net Fri Aug 13 13:01:08 2010 From: mgman71 at comcast.net (George Re) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Rear Brake hold down springs In-Reply-To: <368691322.1409579.1281725931753.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1875600138.1409693.1281726068946.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Subject: Rear Brake hold down springs A short while ago someone posted a helpful hint about a NAPA part number for rear spring hold downs that worked does anyone have the part number for those springs I can not find my printout. Thanks George Re From mark.rense at ge.com Fri Aug 13 13:15:31 2010 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:15:31 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] A Tiger Adventure Message-ID: Well, we had a little Tiger adventure last night. Coming home through a rural section of the Chagrin River valley after dark the throttle started to hang up momentarily between shifts. I pulled over and reached down to see if there was something obstructing the gas pedal, gave it a small yank and pop, there goes the throttle cable! Oh joy. Armed with a small flashlight I could see that both cable ends were attached, so the cable wire must have broken inside the sheathing. Not having a spare in the boot, I considered the agony of calling AAA, then decided to nurse her home using an old motorcycle trick I learned from riding Nortons and BSAs, which seemed to break cable ends with regularity. I pulled off the air cleaner, started the car, then opened the carb butterfly until she was singing at about 3000 RPM. I then screwed the idle adjustment in until the engine maintained that RPM, close the bonnet, eased it into gear and slowly drove away. I could maintain 30 or so on flat ground, although climbing out of the valley required a judicious amount of up-shifting. Got her home, changed out the cable and in bed by midnight. Never a dull moment with a Tiger. Have a great weekend, Bugz From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Fri Aug 13 13:28:30 2010 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo)) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 14:28:30 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] drivers door glass In-Reply-To: <34f73.671c8f3a.3996e744@aol.com> References: <34f73.671c8f3a.3996e744@aol.com> Message-ID: <339D516FEE2047ACAD369FEE0700B0F9@jerry> If I remember right that spring can be confusing how it goes in (it's been 10 years). Take a picture of it before you take it out, that should eliminate any confusion. ;-) Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of AAAGLASSS at aol.com Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 1:22 PM To: achd73 at yahoo.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] drivers door glass Inside the housing that the handle is attached to has a spring inside it. It acts as a brake to keep the dr glass from going up(counterbalance spring pushes up). The spring is either broken or frozen up. If you decide to repair this remove the counterbalance spring before removing the housing. HTH In a message dated 8/13/2010 10:50:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, achd73 at yahoo.com writes: I have a problem with my drives side door glass wanting to roll itself up while driving. I haven't removed the door pad as the upholster person was off some what matching the holes to the clips and I fear tearing the pockets out that hold the metal piece that pertrud into the holes in the door to hold the door panel on. I'm sure there must be an adjustment of some sort but wanted to ask if anyone else had encountered the same issue previously. Thanks in advance. TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aaaglasss at aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Fri Aug 13 14:30:46 2010 From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:30:46 EDT Subject: [Tigers] A Tiger Adventure Message-ID: I keep a section of picture hanging wire in the tool box for just such an occasion. Mine broke on I-95 in Connecticut at a most inopportune time -- rush hour in Hartford. I was able to pull to the side of the road and use the wire as my throttle cable. Certainly was a fun time. An old bicycle brake cable and sheath will work as well, probably better. The picture wire is easier to secure to the pedal and the carb, I think. Fred Baum In a message dated 8/13/2010 3:33:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark.rense at ge.com writes: Well, we had a little Tiger adventure last night. Coming home through a rural section of the Chagrin River valley after dark the throttle started to hang up momentarily between shifts. I pulled over and reached down to see if there was something obstructing the gas pedal, gave it a small yank and pop, there goes the throttle cable! Oh joy. From rfraser at bluefrog.com Fri Aug 13 15:16:36 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:16:36 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Rear Brake hold down springs In-Reply-To: <1875600138.1409693.1281726068946.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <97D1A2B08B554D2DB91ED175C37BBFE4@ronpc1> George Here is that note: Tiger Owners, I was re-doing my rear wheel cylinders and broke one of the spring clips that hold the brakes shoes to the backing plate. After trying several local sources in the Denver area, I could not find them. I decided to check with NAPA to see if they had something that would work. They did! It is NAPA #80215 and it works great. It is a little bit different than original but very close. Tom Kukla The clip on the Tiger looks very much like the clips on my 91 Ford Escort maybe the NAPA part is the same; I have not looked. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Re Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 3:01 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Rear Brake hold down springs Subject: Rear Brake hold down springs A short while ago someone posted a helpful hint about a NAPA part number for rear spring hold downs that worked does anyone have the part number for those springs I can not find my printout. Thanks George Re _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net From rfraser at bluefrog.com Fri Aug 13 15:29:23 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:29:23 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] A Tiger Adventure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2C6400B1BD7740D4AEC511A8FE697E61@ronpc1> Bugz I had this happen at the Suni @ Big Sky but I did have a spare in the Boot, I always carry a spare. Changed out the cable in the parking lot of one of the local markets then drove back to the hotel to see if Rick from SS had any still for sale. All gone so I ordered one when I got home. Never leave home without one. The solid cable flexes and can break; a multi wire cable would probably be better. I played with the cable mount and the throttle lever to get as straight a shot to the carb as possible. I hope that will reduce the flex in the cable and thus increase the cable life. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 3:16 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] A Tiger Adventure Well, we had a little Tiger adventure last night. Coming home through a rural section of the Chagrin River valley after dark the throttle started to hang up momentarily between shifts. I pulled over and reached down to see if there was something obstructing the gas pedal, gave it a small yank and pop, there goes the throttle cable! Oh joy. Armed with a small flashlight I could see that both cable ends were attached, so the cable wire must have broken inside the sheathing. Not having a spare in the boot, I considered the agony of calling AAA, then decided to nurse her home using an old motorcycle trick I learned from riding Nortons and BSAs, which seemed to break cable ends with regularity. I pulled off the air cleaner, started the car, then opened the carb butterfly until she was singing at about 3000 RPM. I then screwed the idle adjustment in until the engine maintained that RPM, close the bonnet, eased it into gear and slowly drove away. I could maintain 30 or so on flat ground, although climbing out of the valley required a judicious amount of up-shifting. Got her home, changed out the cable and in bed by midnight. Never a dull moment with a Tiger. Have a great weekend, Bugz _______________________________________________ From scattt at verizon.net Fri Aug 13 16:25:05 2010 From: scattt at verizon.net (Scattt) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 18:25:05 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] A Tiger Adventure References: Message-ID: We popped the hood and used a shoe string over the windshield to get home one night. I repaired a couple of old cables for spares using a flexable cable with wire lugs crimped and soldered on the ends. Use a #10 stainless screw and nylock nut to hook it up. From achd73 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 13 17:15:20 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Rear Brake hold down springs In-Reply-To: <97D1A2B08B554D2DB91ED175C37BBFE4@ronpc1> Message-ID: <600930.21140.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I carry an extra spring with me.I'im pretty certain I bought them from Rick at SS in Ca. TtT --- On Fri, 8/13/10, Ron Fraser wrote: From: Ron Fraser Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fwd: Rear Brake hold down springs To: "'George Re'" , tigers at autox.team.net Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 4:16 PM George Here is that note: Tiger Owners, I was re-doing my rear wheel cylinders and broke one of the spring clips that hold the brakes shoes to the backing plate. After trying several local sources in the Denver area, I could not find them. I decided to check with NAPA to see if they had something that would work. They did! It is NAPA #80215 and it works great. It is a little bit different than original but very close. Tom Kukla The clip on the Tiger looks very much like the clips on my 91 Ford Escort maybe the NAPA part is the same; I have not looked. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Re Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 3:01 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Rear Brake hold down springs Subject: Rear Brake hold down springs A short while ago someone posted a helpful hint about a NAPA part number for rear spring hold downs that worked does anyone have the part number for those springs I can not find my printout. Thanks George Re _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From garywinblad at comcast.net Fri Aug 13 17:48:31 2010 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 23:48:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] A Tiger Adventure In-Reply-To: <2C6400B1BD7740D4AEC511A8FE697E61@ronpc1> Message-ID: <343948608.1412425.1281743311045.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I think you guys need to add a few drops of oil to your cable once in a while. BUT, the best thing to do is replace it with a "rod". I made mine out of brass rod from the hardware store... easy! AND, it feels really good without the drag of the cable. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Fraser To: Mark 'Rense (GE Indust, ConsInd)' , tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 21:29:23 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] A Tiger Adventure Bugz I had this happen at the Suni @ Big Sky but I did have a spare in the Boot, I always carry a spare. Changed out the cable in the parking lot of one of the local markets then drove back to the hotel to see if Rick from SS had any still for sale. All gone so I ordered one when I got home. Never leave home without one. The solid cable flexes and can break; a multi wire cable would probably be better. I played with the cable mount and the throttle lever to get as straight a shot to the carb as possible. I hope that will reduce the flex in the cable and thus increase the cable life. Ron Fraser - From allanballard at att.net Fri Aug 13 19:01:14 2010 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 21:01:14 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] A Tiger Adventure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yikes! A manual choke carb is good too--can get some mph off the choke. Allan Ballard On Aug 13, 2010, at 4:30 PM, FHSLOTH13 at aol.com wrote: > I keep a section of picture hanging wire in the tool box for just such an > occasion. Mine broke on I-95 in Connecticut at a most inopportune time -- > rush hour in Hartford. I was able to pull to the side of the road and use the > wire as my throttle cable. Certainly was a fun time. > > An old bicycle brake cable and sheath will work as well, probably better. > The picture wire is easier to secure to the pedal and the carb, I think. > > Fred Baum > > > In a message dated 8/13/2010 3:33:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > mark.rense at ge.com writes: > > Well, we had a little Tiger adventure last night. Coming home through a > rural section of the Chagrin River valley after dark the throttle > started to hang up momentarily between shifts. I pulled over and reached > down to see if there was something obstructing the gas pedal, gave it a > small yank and pop, there goes the throttle cable! Oh joy. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net From stubrennan at comcast.net Fri Aug 13 19:38:56 2010 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 21:38:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Wheel Bearings Message-ID: <000001cb3b51$79bb5120$6601a8c0@Brennan> I'm planning on replacing the front wheel bearings, which are in all likelyhood, the originals, still with original grease. First time I've done this. I have the new bearings and seals. My question is, how easily do the bearings come off the spindles? Have you found them to come off easily, or have you needed a separator to free them? Stu From achd73 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 13 20:58:42 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Wheel Bearings In-Reply-To: <000001cb3b51$79bb5120$6601a8c0@Brennan> Message-ID: <373845.71371.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> At worst you should have to do is clean the spindles, use some lubricant, get them moving back and forth and then off the will come- the outer will be the easiest in all likelihood but surely someone greased them before now or they would have seized up as the grease would have dried up after 40 plus years . I like Brake Kleen to remove everystuff but dint get it on U as it goes straight for your liver. Good rubber gloves will stop it but hospital type, it will eat. Tony --- On Fri, 8/13/10, Stu Brennan wrote: From: Stu Brennan Subject: [Tigers] Wheel Bearings To: Tigers at autox.team.net Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 8:38 PM I'm planning on replacing the front wheel bearings, which are in all likelyhood, the originals, still with original grease. First time I've done this. I have the new bearings and seals. My question is, how easily do the bearings come off the spindles? Have you found them to come off easily, or have you needed a separator to free them? Stu _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From twotigers at verizon.net Sat Aug 14 02:09:47 2010 From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 01:09:47 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] A Tiger Adventure In-Reply-To: <343948608.1412425.1281743311045.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2C6400B1BD7740D4AEC511A8FE697E61@ronpc1> <343948608.1412425.1281743311045.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000301cb3b88$0ff55b00$2fe01100$@net> I've been using a rod for the last 20 years. The same rod. It's a section of heavy gauge coat hanger. Seriously! With my set up it's a pretty straight pull, so no cable needed. And, when I need WOT I get WOT!! Kirk -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of garywinblad at comcast.net Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 4:49 PM To: rfraser at bluefrog.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] A Tiger Adventure I think you guys need to add a few drops of oil to your cable once in a while. BUT, the best thing to do is replace it with a "rod". I made mine out of brass rod from the hardware store... easy! AND, it feels really good without the drag of the cable. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Fraser To: Mark 'Rense (GE Indust, ConsInd)' , tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 21:29:23 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] A Tiger Adventure Bugz I had this happen at the Suni @ Big Sky but I did have a spare in the Boot, I always carry a spare. Changed out the cable in the parking lot of one of the local markets then drove back to the hotel to see if Rick from SS had any still for sale. All gone so I ordered one when I got home. Never leave home without one. The solid cable flexes and can break; a multi wire cable would probably be better. I played with the cable mount and the throttle lever to get as straight a shot to the carb as possible. I hope that will reduce the flex in the cable and thus increase the cable life. Ron Fraser - _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/twotigers at verizon.net From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sat Aug 14 04:43:25 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 06:43:25 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Wheel Bearings In-Reply-To: <000001cb3b51$79bb5120$6601a8c0@Brennan> Message-ID: <55BDAE6AEE8A4820BE038119F512251C@ronpc1> Stu The bearings should come off easily. The hard part is getting the bearing cups out of the hub. You have to knock them out with a drift and hammer. Make sure you pack the new bearings well with grease. I had an odd noise with one of my hubs that I could not figure out until I happened to notice that I could rotate one of the cups with my finger. So if you have any extra noises in the front check all the little details. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stu Brennan Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 9:39 PM To: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Wheel Bearings I'm planning on replacing the front wheel bearings, which are in all likelyhood, the originals, still with original grease. First time I've done this. I have the new bearings and seals. My question is, how easily do the bearings come off the spindles? Have you found them to come off easily, or have you needed a separator to free them? Stu _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3068 - Release Date: 08/13/10 06:34:00 From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Sat Aug 14 09:16:16 2010 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 16:16:16 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] A Tiger Adventure In-Reply-To: <000301cb3b88$0ff55b00$2fe01100$@net> References: <2C6400B1BD7740D4AEC511A8FE697E61@ronpc1> <343948608.1412425.1281743311045.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <000301cb3b88$0ff55b00$2fe01100$@net> Message-ID: I once had to hash up the heater control valve rod when my throttle cable snapped at Prescott hillclimb in the paddock. now I use a lokar cable and always carry a spare liner. nicely made cable with ball ends. On Saturday, August 14, 2010, Kirk Smith wrote: > I've been using a rod for the last 20 years. The same rod. It's a section > of heavy gauge coat hanger. Seriously! With my set up it's a pretty > straight pull, so no cable needed. And, when I need WOT I get WOT!! > > Kirk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of garywinblad at comcast.net > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 4:49 PM > To: rfraser at bluefrog.com > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] A Tiger Adventure > > I think you guys need to add a few drops of oil to your cable once in > a while. > BUT, the best thing to do is replace it with a "rod". I made mine out > of brass rod from the hardware store... easy! AND, it feels really > good without the drag of the cable. > Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron Fraser > To: Mark 'Rense (GE Indust, ConsInd)' , > tigers at autox.team.net > Sent: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 21:29:23 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [Tigers] A Tiger Adventure > > Bugz > I had this happen at the Suni @ Big Sky but I did have a spare in > the Boot, I always carry a spare. Changed out the cable in the parking lot > of one of the local markets then drove back to the hotel to see if Rick from > SS had any still for sale. All gone so I ordered one when I got home. > Never leave home without one. > > The solid cable flexes and can break; a multi wire cable would > probably be better. I played with the cable mount and the throttle lever to > get as straight a shot to the carb as possible. I hope that will reduce > the flex in the cable and thus increase the cable life. > > Ron Fraser > > > - > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/twotigers at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Sat Aug 14 09:24:48 2010 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 08:24:48 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Monterey Update In-Reply-To: <97D1A2B08B554D2DB91ED175C37BBFE4@ronpc1> References: <97D1A2B08B554D2DB91ED175C37BBFE4@ronpc1> Message-ID: The Tigers are all struggling a bit. We have today off and we're all trying to put the pieces back together. Chris Gruys has had overheating problems. Tom Sakai spun teeth off his ring & pinion. Tom Hall is pitching in to replace the gears in time for tomorrow's Tiger races. We're still having high RPM problems in our SCF Tiger with the rule mandated switch from MSD to Pertronix. John reports the engine is the worst it's ever been. In spite of that he's qualified 6th for tomorrow's first race. We'll play more with the ignition today. Buck Trippel from the pits at Laguna Seca From gleibert185 at comcast.net Sat Aug 14 13:25:38 2010 From: gleibert185 at comcast.net (George Leibert) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 15:25:38 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] TBON on ebay Message-ID: Guys, just found this http://cgi.ebay.com/Book-Norman-Sunbeam-Tiger-Alpine-/200507045677?pt=AU_Clo thing_Merchandise_Media It's in Australia and current bid is $305.09AU Cheers. George From Robin02 at mindspring.com Sat Aug 14 20:29:51 2010 From: Robin02 at mindspring.com (Robin Young) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 22:29:51 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] LAT9 centercaps and Panasport center caps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dave, thank you for offering to include the panasport wheels. The center cap is right at 3" diameter. They could be made close to flat as the Lat9 caps but are 1.5" deep from the factory and six sided like a machine nut except for the round at the wheel. I think a tiger logo on a 3" nearly flat disc would look pretty sharp and there are a lot of these wheels used now. Maybe Dale A. has one he could take measurements from. Robin Tony & All who are interested, The Panasport cap project if they do not share the same diameter I am pretty sure is something he would undertake with around the same type of cost. I would need to approach him on this. If there is interest in it I could propose it to him when I pick up the sample of the LAT 9 cap. Needless to say I still need someone to give me a measurement on the Panasport wheel. Maybe Minilites or Superlites also. Please someone take the time to measure and reply to me. No one has asked me this but I will state this right now. If anyone is wondering, I AM NOT MAKING A PROFIT on this. I will be paying the same price as you. Just wanted to get some caps for my wifes project car and help out other Sunbeamers. Dave Green 14 Alpines 2 Mk 1 TIgers From garywinblad at comcast.net Sat Aug 14 22:29:52 2010 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 04:29:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] New record Tiger sale Message-ID: <1861202439.1447110.1281846592887.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Nobody else watches HD Theater and the Mecum auctions? At the Monterey auction today they sold a sort of REPLICA Doane Spencer race Tiger for... $152,500.00 Hopefully this link will show it: http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=CA0810-96532&entryRow=95 Described as: "This is one of the rarest Sunbeam Tigers certified by Sunbeam Tiger Association as a Rootes Engineering MK1A Tiger" Really? Hummm..... Gary From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun Aug 15 01:41:45 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 17:41:45 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] New record Tiger sale In-Reply-To: <1861202439.1447110.1281846592887.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1861202439.1447110.1281846592887.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: There have been a few online article about this car, whats really interesting is that it still puts Tigers in that small group of collectors cars (detomaso, 240Z and a few others) where a well modified (hot-rodded) example will be worth more than a dead stock car. This is generally when the stock car had quite serious short comings in regards to drivability or reliability. While stock Tigers are gaining in value (especialy as so many were cheaply modified in the 70's) a well updated one (better brakes, cooling and engine) is still worth more than most good stock cars... this though is out of the ball park.. you cant run it in historic racing, its not very practical.. but looks like a period racer for the street and has gone for 50% more than even a concourse MKII would bring.. its interesting On 15/08/2010, garywinblad at comcast.net wrote: > Nobody else watches HD Theater and the Mecum auctions? > > At the Monterey auction today they sold a sort of REPLICA Doane Spencer > race Tiger for... $152,500.00 > > Hopefully this link will show it: > http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=CA0810-96532&entryRow=95 > > > Described as: > "This is one of the rarest Sunbeam Tigers certified by Sunbeam Tiger > Association as a Rootes Engineering MK1A Tiger" > > Really? Hummm..... > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun Aug 15 04:48:09 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 20:48:09 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Monterey Update In-Reply-To: References: <97D1A2B08B554D2DB91ED175C37BBFE4@ronpc1> Message-ID: Buck, Dissapointing the Tigers are not having much luck over there. Are they moving the historics back to a more "period" control type igntion system? How has steve been going in the Sebring Alpine? On 15/08/2010, Buck Trippel wrote: > The Tigers are all struggling a bit. We have today off and we're all trying > to put the pieces back together. > > Chris Gruys has had overheating problems. Tom Sakai spun teeth off his ring > & pinion. Tom Hall is pitching in to replace the gears in time for > tomorrow's Tiger races. We're still having high RPM problems in our SCF > Tiger with the rule mandated switch from MSD to Pertronix. John reports the > engine is the worst it's ever been. In spite of that he's qualified 6th for > tomorrow's first race. We'll play more with the ignition today. > > Buck Trippel > from the pits at Laguna Seca > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Sun Aug 15 08:35:40 2010 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 07:35:40 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Monterey Update In-Reply-To: References: <97D1A2B08B554D2DB91ED175C37BBFE4@ronpc1> Message-ID: <658863ED23B547E7B90009361C601FE0@BucksLaptop> As it now stands, I plan to withdraw our SCF Tiger from today's races. John somehow survived a multi-car crash in a Scarab yesterday afternoon in which he was pinned upside down after rolling it 2-1/2 times. He was checked out at the hospital and then released last night with no injuries other than some bumps and bruises. I think he's earned a day off. Michael, to answer your question, our rules now say that the spark must be produced inside the distributor cap. Points would work but nobody produces the old style high RPM points anymore. While the various Pertronics all produce hotter sparks than points, at best they have less than half the output of the old reliable MSD. Actually I have been very pleased at how well the SCF Tiger had been performing. On the speed chart we're quicker than all the GT350s and most of the Cobras and Vettes. There are only a couple Cobras and Vettes quicker than us and most of those are from the Ap class. We were looking good enough for one 350 owner to (joke) suggest deploying a police spike strip in front of our pits to slow the Tiger down. BTW, Yesterday Tom Hall installed a new R&P in Tom Sakai's rear end. Dan Walters and Tom were still installing it in the race car last night when I went to bed. They might have a bit more to do on it this morning. BT at Monterrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael king" To: "Buck Trippel" Cc: Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 3:48 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Monterey Update > Buck, > > Dissapointing the Tigers are not having much luck over there. Are they > moving the historics back to a more "period" control type igntion > system? > > How has steve been going in the Sebring Alpine? > > On 15/08/2010, Buck Trippel wrote: >> The Tigers are all struggling a bit. We have today off and we're all >> trying >> to put the pieces back together. >> >> Chris Gruys has had overheating problems. Tom Sakai spun teeth off his >> ring >> & pinion. Tom Hall is pitching in to replace the gears in time for >> tomorrow's Tiger races. We're still having high RPM problems in our SCF >> Tiger with the rule mandated switch from MSD to Pertronix. John reports >> the >> engine is the worst it's ever been. In spite of that he's qualified 6th >> for >> tomorrow's first race. We'll play more with the ignition today. >> >> Buck Trippel >> from the pits at Laguna Seca >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com >> >> > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King From todbrown at roadrunner.com Sun Aug 15 16:41:48 2010 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 18:41:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] New record Tiger sale Message-ID: <4C686D2C.4010906@roadrunner.com> Yeah, but what about the VIN plate? Maybe it's really an Alger, ;>) Tod B382002384LRXFE Don't forget to register for the United 2010 in Rockland, Maine on Columbus Day weekend. See http://teae.org for more info. From mcdangerous at verizon.net Sun Aug 15 16:59:50 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 18:59:50 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] New record Tiger sale In-Reply-To: <4C686D2C.4010906@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: Ha! No, that one is TACed. M On 8/15/10 6:41 PM, "Tod Brown" wrote: > Yeah, but what about the VIN plate? Maybe it's really an Alger, ;>) > > Tod > B382002384LRXFE > > Don't forget to register for the United 2010 in Rockland, Maine on > Columbus Day weekend. See http://teae.org for more info. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net From MWood24020 at aol.com Sun Aug 15 17:24:09 2010 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 19:24:09 EDT Subject: [Tigers] New record Tiger sale Message-ID: <71e8b.113569f9.3999d119@aol.com> I think that you've given a very good summary of the "state of the Tiger (pricing)". If the Tiger had been seen as more iconic when new or enjoyed more global success racing, the shortcomings would be overlooked, like an E-type, but... I still have subscribed to the "bolt on, can be reversed" school of updating mine, though...not brave enough to start cutting up 2273's unibody! Mike In a message dated 8/15/2010 1:06:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, michael.s.king at gmail.com writes: There have been a few online article about this car, whats really interesting is that it still puts Tigers in that small group of collectors cars (detomaso, 240Z and a few others) where a well modified (hot-rodded) example will be worth more than a dead stock car. This is generally when the stock car had quite serious short comings in regards to drivability or reliability. While stock Tigers are gaining in value (especialy as so many were cheaply modified in the 70's) a well updated one (better brakes, cooling and engine) is still worth more than most good stock cars... this though is out of the ball park.. you cant run it in historic racing, its not very practical.. but looks like a period racer for the street and has gone for 50% more than even a concourse MKII would bring.. its interesting On 15/08/2010, garywinblad at comcast.net wrote: > Nobody else watches HD Theater and the Mecum auctions? > > At the Monterey auction today they sold a sort of REPLICA Doane Spencer > race Tiger for... $152,500.00 > > Hopefully this link will show it: > http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=CA0810-96532&entryRow=95 > > > Described as: > "This is one of the rarest Sunbeam Tigers certified by Sunbeam Tiger > Association as a Rootes Engineering MK1A Tiger" > > Really? Hummm..... > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020 at aol.com From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Sun Aug 15 17:28:04 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 19:28:04 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] New record Tiger sale In-Reply-To: <4C686D2C.4010906@roadrunner.com> References: <4C686D2C.4010906@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: So what does this tell us? 1) the car was seriously overbought. The new owner will recognize this and he will not be happy. 2) The price is based on two things: first it's a copy of a racer, and second, the mechanics are "improved". 3) from this we can assume that the proper modification of the original is a positive event: better brakes, better suspension, better steering, better engine. Notice the Toploader is still installed. How much more would it be with a Tremec 5 or 6 speed in it? Tom On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Tod Brown wrote: > Yeah, but what about the VIN plate? Maybe it's really an Alger, ;>) > > Tod > B382002384LRXFE > > Don't forget to register for the United 2010 in Rockland, Maine on > Columbus Day weekend. See http://teae.org for more info. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun Aug 15 17:28:36 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 09:28:36 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] New record Tiger sale In-Reply-To: <71e8b.113569f9.3999d119@aol.com> References: <71e8b.113569f9.3999d119@aol.com> Message-ID: Another thing i notice is the most creative way i have ever seen the TAC process being described.. *the 1966 Sunbeam Tiger presented here is one of the rarest of its kind, certified by the Sunbeam Tiger Association as a Rootes Engineering MK1A Tiger. * ** to the unknowing it implaies some sort of special car... on some forums people have though it implied prototype... they dont say that.. they just creatively mention TAC.. -- Regards Michael King From j_d_johnson at earthlink.net Sun Aug 15 17:38:45 2010 From: j_d_johnson at earthlink.net (J D Johnson) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 16:38:45 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] New record Tiger sale In-Reply-To: References: <4C686D2C.4010906@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: Really a shame when you consider the auction house handling the genuine factory rally machine AHP 294B is estimated to be worth no more the 75,000 pounds. http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p7989pkC3fHbPrpHQqedvMDQambN-9C9zyETiK5zMwaRXBSpijpBo8MatJtgZ5SaEQXE4lI8OCCArH7Ft4kvIaA/ahp294-b-001002-version-01-1024.jpg?psid=1 JD At 04:28 PM 8/15/2010, Tom Parker wrote: >So what does this tell us? > >1) the car was seriously overbought. The new owner will recognize this and >he will not be happy. > >2) The price is based on two things: first it's a copy of a racer, and >second, the mechanics are "improved". > >3) from this we can assume that the proper modification of the original is a >positive event: better brakes, better suspension, better steering, better >engine. Notice the Toploader is still installed. How much more would it be >with a Tremec 5 or 6 speed in it? From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun Aug 15 17:55:19 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 09:55:19 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] New record Tiger sale In-Reply-To: References: <4C686D2C.4010906@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: On 16 August 2010 09:38, J D Johnson wrote: > Really a shame when you consider the auction house handling the genuine > factory rally machine AHP 294B is estimated to be worth no more the 75,000 > pounds. > > > http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p7989pkC3fHbPrpHQqedvMDQambN-9C9zyETiK5zMwaRXBSpijpBo8MatJtgZ5SaEQXE4lI8OCCArH7Ft4kvIaA/ahp294-b-001002-version-01-1024.jpg?psid=1 > > JD Um... i think THAT car is very over priced... its got a moody past.. and is an alger.. its a lot of money for a rego plate! http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/coys-ascot/coys-spoof-640.jpg and more recent http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/john-young/John-Young-alger.jpg -- Regards Michael King From j_d_johnson at earthlink.net Sun Aug 15 18:00:29 2010 From: j_d_johnson at earthlink.net (J D Johnson) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 17:00:29 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] New record Tiger sale In-Reply-To: References: <4C686D2C.4010906@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: I think you'll find there is a difference between the TAC'd AHP 294B and the Alger AHP 295B. JD At 04:55 PM 8/15/2010, you wrote: >On 16 August 2010 09:38, J D Johnson ><j_d_johnson at earthlink.net> wrote: >Really a shame when you consider the auction house handling the >genuine factory rally machine AHP 294B is estimated to be worth no >more the 75,000 pounds. > >http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p7989pkC3fHbPrpHQqedvMDQambN-9C9zyETiK5zMwaRXBSpijpBo8MatJtgZ5SaEQXE4lI8OCCArH7Ft4kvIaA/ahp294-b-001002-version-01-1024.jpg?psid=1 > >JD > > >Um... i think THAT car is very over priced... its got a moody past.. >and is an alger.. its a lot of money for a rego plate! > >http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/coys-ascot/coys-spoof-640.jpg > >and more recent > >http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/john-young/John-Young-alger.jpg > > > >-- >Regards > >Michael King From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun Aug 15 18:04:07 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 10:04:07 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] New record Tiger sale In-Reply-To: References: <4C686D2C.4010906@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: My bad.. indeed .. should have looked at that last digit more carefully.. I guess its only a guide.. who knows.. maybe it will top out this hotrod tiger On 16 August 2010 10:00, J D Johnson wrote: > I think you'll find there is a difference between the TAC'd AHP 294B and > the Alger AHP 295B. > > JD > > > At 04:55 PM 8/15/2010, you wrote: > > > On 16 August 2010 09:38, J D Johnson < j_d_johnson at earthlink.net> wrote: > Really a shame when you consider the auction house handling the genuine > factory rally machine AHP 294B is estimated to be worth no more the 75,000 > pounds. > > > http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p7989pkC3fHbPrpHQqedvMDQambN-9C9zyETiK5zMwaRXBSpijpBo8MatJtgZ5SaEQXE4lI8OCCArH7Ft4kvIaA/ahp294-b-001002-version-01-1024.jpg?psid=1 > > JD > > > Um... i think THAT car is very over priced... its got a moody past.. and is > an alger.. its a lot of money for a rego plate! > > http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/coys-ascot/coys-spoof-640.jpg > > and more recent > > http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/john-young/John-Young-alger.jpg > > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > > -- Regards Michael King From slaifman at socal.rr.com Sun Aug 15 18:17:24 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 17:17:24 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Gearboxes In-Reply-To: References: <4C686D2C.4010906@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <4C688394.9080505@socal.rr.com> Tom, Just a side note. The TREMEC 5 speed. is *not* a good replacement for the original Mk I, much less the MkII four speed. It certainly has another intermediate gear, however it is not a study as the original. The T-5, aside from installation issues, does not have the torque handling capabilities of the original(s). If it is geared with the T-5 standard gearing, (fifth gear overdrive) I liked my Porsche 5 spd, and the "concept" of the TREMEC, but am unwilling to reduce to the T-5 torque limits. The MkII gearbox is stronger, and has better gear-spacing - regardless of the Mk I designation "close ratio". There are a number of articles about the Tremec on TigersUnited.com. Here is a good comparison, by /*Curtis Fisher*/: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/CFisherTREMEC/pt-CFisherTREMEC5.asp and /*Bob Hokanson*/ has provided and EXCEL - ant article to compare gearboxes: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/HokansonGearSpeedXL/pt-HokansonGearSpeedXL.asp I believe that Mike Hokanson is Bob Hokanson's son. (Shouldn't that be Bob Hokansonson ? Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com Tom Parker wrote: > So what does this tell us? > > 1) the car was seriously overbought. The new owner will recognize this and > he will not be happy. > > 2) The price is based on two things: first it's a copy of a racer, and > second, the mechanics are "improved". > > 3) from this we can assume that the proper modification of the original is a > positive event: better brakes, better suspension, better steering, better > engine. Notice the Toploader is still installed. How much more would it be > with a Tremec 5 or 6 speed in it? > > Tom From awtiger at cox.net Sun Aug 15 18:22:04 2010 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 19:22:04 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] New record Tiger sale In-Reply-To: References: <4C686D2C.4010906@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <180A7E1D999C4885BA155E9015E6A07C@awtigerPC> What does this tell me??? It tells me that some guy got drunk and, to impress his girlfriend, he started measuring his manhood with another bidder. I imagine that when he woke up from his hangover, he had nasty case of buyer's remorse. This price is so far out-of -whack...as a matter of fact, it's not even close to being "in-whack." I can just imagine the buyer, looking over at his girlfriend through drunken eyes and slurring, "Sho, babee...how d'ya like me noooow??" Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Parker" To: "Tod Brown" Cc: Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] New record Tiger sale > So what does this tell us? > > 1) the car was seriously overbought. The new owner will recognize this and > he will not be happy. > > 2) The price is based on two things: first it's a copy of a racer, and > second, the mechanics are "improved". > > 3) from this we can assume that the proper modification of the original is > a > positive event: better brakes, better suspension, better steering, better > engine. Notice the Toploader is still installed. How much more would it be > with a Tremec 5 or 6 speed in it? > > Tom > > On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Tod Brown > wrote: > >> Yeah, but what about the VIN plate? Maybe it's really an Alger, ;>) >> >> Tod >> B382002384LRXFE >> >> Don't forget to register for the United 2010 in Rockland, Maine on >> Columbus Day weekend. See http://teae.org for more info. >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger at cox.net From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun Aug 15 19:05:49 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 11:05:49 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] New record Tiger sale In-Reply-To: <180A7E1D999C4885BA155E9015E6A07C@awtigerPC> References: <4C686D2C.4010906@roadrunner.com> <180A7E1D999C4885BA155E9015E6A07C@awtigerPC> Message-ID: Ok... To chime in on the buyers remorse... in perspective the onyl other car we can sort of measure this against was the car dale built a little while back that went to auction. That car was heavily modified.. and more of a hot-rod than this car. IRS, lowers suspension different front end etc... now.. that went for 100-120 IIRC .. this car is more of a tribute to the HSC.. and in my eyes a nicer car (not to nock Dales work which is A+.. but that car was built to another guys tastes.. this car IMHO is a nice tribute to my favourite car the HSC55.. its a lot of money.. but has the alloy motor.. well made modifications and is still quite "TIGER".. its a lot of money.. but each to their own. How much does this make the HSC car worth? On 16 August 2010 10:22, awtiger wrote: > What does this tell me??? It tells me that some guy got drunk and, to > impress his girlfriend, he started measuring his manhood with another > bidder. I imagine that when he woke up from his hangover, he had nasty case > of buyer's remorse. This price is so far out-of -whack...as a matter of > fact, it's not even close to being "in-whack." > > I can just imagine the buyer, looking over at his girlfriend through > drunken eyes and slurring, "Sho, babee...how d'ya like me noooow??" > > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Parker" > To: "Tod Brown" > > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 6:28 PM > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] New record Tiger sale > > > So what does this tell us? >> >> 1) the car was seriously overbought. The new owner will recognize this and >> he will not be happy. >> >> 2) The price is based on two things: first it's a copy of a racer, and >> second, the mechanics are "improved". >> >> 3) from this we can assume that the proper modification of the original is >> a >> positive event: better brakes, better suspension, better steering, better >> engine. Notice the Toploader is still installed. How much more would it be >> with a Tremec 5 or 6 speed in it? >> >> Tom >> >> On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Tod Brown >> wrote: >> >> Yeah, but what about the VIN plate? Maybe it's really an Alger, ;>) >>> >>> Tod >>> B382002384LRXFE >>> >>> Don't forget to register for the United 2010 in Rockland, Maine on >>> Columbus Day weekend. See http://teae.org for more info. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tigers at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger at cox.net >> > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From rande at thecia.net Sun Aug 15 19:42:04 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 21:42:04 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] New record Tiger sale Message-ID: <4c68976c.4cad.0@thecia.net> I can only hope that the winning bidder knew exactly what he was bidding on, had already done his research on the genuine Hollywood Sports Car racer ( it wouldn't have been too hard - it was in Santa Rosa two months ago), and REALLY had to have this very car. If I can translate what the auction company wrote in their description into terms that mean something to experienced Tiger people (us), this new owner paid about three times the value of a survivor Tiger and a little more than double what Dale A. would restore a Tiger for. As for someone having built a 'tribute' HSC racer, I think the UK's Julian Balme's clone is much closer in spirit. Again, I really hope this person knew what he was getting upfront. From MWood24020 at aol.com Sun Aug 15 19:46:15 2010 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 21:46:15 EDT Subject: [Tigers] New record Tiger sale Message-ID: <5810e.28803cd2.3999f267@aol.com> Fact is, for many of the bidders at these auctions, $150k is nothing to really have anything close to remorse over...if he/she likes the car and had to have it, they probably can live with having made what many of us would consider an ill informed purchase. For me, the car just misses the mark...something a little too fussy about it, doesn't capture the real spirit of a race car. But, no denying it has some cool details. In a message dated 8/15/2010 6:42:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rande at thecia.net writes: I can only hope that the winning bidder knew exactly what he was bidding on, had already done his research on the genuine Hollywood Sports Car racer ( it wouldn't have been too hard - it was in Santa Rosa two months ago), and REALLY had to have this very car. If I can translate what the auction company wrote in their description into terms that mean something to experienced Tiger people (us), this new owner paid about three times the value of a survivor Tiger and a little more than double what Dale A. would restore a Tiger for. As for someone having built a 'tribute' HSC racer, I think the UK's Julian Balme's clone is much closer in spirit. Again, I really hope this person knew what he was getting upfront. _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020 at aol.com From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Sun Aug 15 20:11:20 2010 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 19:11:20 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Monterey Message-ID: John Morton's A-OK but we did not run our Tiger. The big news is that the Rolex Award for Excellence was given to the Tiger of Tom Sakai. This car would never have made it to the grid today had it not been for the support received from the marque. Special thanks to Tom H, Rob and Bill for stepping up to help him out. Well done all! Buck, still at the track From jim at island.net Sun Aug 15 22:57:44 2010 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 21:57:44 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Electrical problem... Lucas or...Ford? Message-ID: <84C06183A733469483B5E86B5DD991CB@JIMPC> I had a bit of a problem with the Tiger today.... Went to an English car club show... an hour's drive... no problem. Backed the car in to a spot on the grass and shut it down. About 15 min. later someone suggested that I should be parked in a different spot... hopped in... turned the key to 'start' and 'click' ... turned it again and... nothing... not even enough to power the 'gen.' light !! Popped the trunk and about 3 of the cells on the battery were literally boiling over ! I decided at that point that the battery was cooked... for now or possibly forever... so I decided to leave it alone and enjoy the show for the meantime.... I knew there was a parts store very nearby so about an hour before the show ended I went over and got a new battery . I got back and proceeded to install it, key OFF and (luckily) in neutral. I hooked up the pos. terminal... and then as I touched the neg. there was a big spark!... Hmmmm.... stuck it on there again and the engine turned over and started !! Yikes !! So...to get me home, I took the bat. cable and brown wire off the solenoid... put a bolt through them and taped them up... push started the car..( key 'on' ). and drove it home. I haven't had a chance to put the Volt/ohm meter on anything yet but it's got to be the ign. switch or the solenoid... at least I think so... not much else there... Any guesses? Or has it ever happened to anyone?? I'll start checking first thing in the morning but any input is more than welcome and greatly appreciated... Thanks Jim... up the creek without a (functioning)starter.... in Canada B382000446 From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Aug 16 02:02:04 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 18:02:04 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Winton historics Message-ID: On the weekend we had soe historic racing in Victoria... was a lovely 7 degrees.. windy and raining.. just what you want after driving 2.5 hours to get there!.. anyway.. some pictures.. i didnt take many i got cold and wet enough taking the ones i did. http://community.webshots.com/album/578393623CAhEqj -- Regards Michael King From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Aug 16 03:51:20 2010 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 10:51:20 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Electrical problem... Lucas or...Ford? In-Reply-To: <84C06183A733469483B5E86B5DD991CB@JIMPC> References: <84C06183A733469483B5E86B5DD991CB@JIMPC> Message-ID: that once happened to me (when I shipped the car to England). the solenoid would stick open. a sharp tap would free it up. soon it packed up totally and I put a new solenoid in. hope you'll get an optima battery this time! On Monday, August 16, 2010, Jim wrote: > I had a bit of a problem with the Tiger today.... Went to an English car > club show... an hour's drive... no problem. Backed the car in to a spot on > the grass and shut it down. About 15 min. later someone suggested that I > should be parked in a different spot... hopped in... turned the key to > 'start' and 'click' ... turned it again and... nothing... not even enough > to power the 'gen.' light !! Popped the trunk and about 3 of the cells on > the battery were literally boiling over ! I decided at that point that the > battery was cooked... for now or possibly forever... so I decided to leave > it alone and enjoy the show for the meantime.... I knew there was a parts > store very nearby so about an hour before the show ended I went over and got > a new battery . I got back and proceeded to install it, key OFF and > (luckily) in neutral. I hooked up the pos. terminal... and then as I touched > the neg. there was a big spark!... Hmmmm.... stuck it on there again and the > engine turned over and started !! Yikes !! So...to get me home, I took the > bat. cable and brown wire off the solenoid... put a bolt through them and > taped them up... push started the car..( key 'on' ). and drove it home. I > haven't had a chance to put the Volt/ohm meter on anything yet but it's got > to be the ign. switch or the solenoid... at least I think so... not much > else there... > > Any guesses? Or has it ever happened to anyone?? > > I'll start checking first thing in the morning but any input is more than > welcome and greatly appreciated... > > > > Thanks > > > > Jim... up the creek without a (functioning)starter.... in Canada > > B382000446 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com From rande at thecia.net Mon Aug 16 06:36:36 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 08:36:36 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] snaps Message-ID: <4c6930d4.66b0.0@thecia.net> As always, thanks for the photos. It's even amazing to see the yank tanks, like the '66 Impala and the '64 Galaxie racer. Good job. rb From simer.frank at gmail.com Mon Aug 16 08:45:09 2010 From: simer.frank at gmail.com (Frank Simer) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 09:45:09 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Electrical problem... Lucas or...Ford? In-Reply-To: References: <84C06183A733469483B5E86B5DD991CB@JIMPC> Message-ID: For those of you unfamiliar with snow... the Western Plows used Ford starters and utilized a continuous duty solenoid.... cost more but work for ever (in cars) my plow eats one every year http://www.plowpartsdirect.com/western-parts/unimount/electrical-parts/solenoid-motor-relay.html NAPA stock continuous duty ones too but when I looked were impossible to find in their on line system... you have to ask at the desk Frank Minneapolis On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 4:51 AM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > that once happened to me (when I shipped the car to England). the > solenoid would stick open. a sharp tap would free it up. soon it > packed up totally and I put a new solenoid in. > > hope you'll get an optima battery this time! > > > On Monday, August 16, 2010, Jim wrote: > > I had a bit of a problem with the Tiger today.... Went to an English car > > club show... an hour's drive... no problem. Backed the car in to a spot > on > > the grass and shut it down. About 15 min. later someone suggested that I > > should be parked in a different spot... hopped in... turned the key to > > 'start' and 'click' ... turned it again and... nothing... not even > enough > > to power the 'gen.' light !! Popped the trunk and about 3 of the cells on > > the battery were literally boiling over ! I decided at that point that > the > > battery was cooked... for now or possibly forever... so I decided to > leave > > it alone and enjoy the show for the meantime.... I knew there was a > parts > > store very nearby so about an hour before the show ended I went over and > got > > a new battery . I got back and proceeded to install it, key OFF and > > (luckily) in neutral. I hooked up the pos. terminal... and then as I > touched > > the neg. there was a big spark!... Hmmmm.... stuck it on there again and > the > > engine turned over and started !! Yikes !! So...to get me home, I took > the > > bat. cable and brown wire off the solenoid... put a bolt through them and > > taped them up... push started the car..( key 'on' ). and drove it home. > I > > haven't had a chance to put the Volt/ohm meter on anything yet but it's > got > > to be the ign. switch or the solenoid... at least I think so... not much > > else there... > > > > Any guesses? Or has it ever happened to anyone?? > > > > I'll start checking first thing in the morning but any input is more than > > welcome and greatly appreciated... > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Jim... up the creek without a (functioning)starter.... in Canada > > > > B382000446 > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/simer.frank at gmail.com From TIGEROOTES at aol.com Mon Aug 16 09:45:44 2010 From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 11:45:44 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Electrical problem... Lucas or...Ford? Message-ID: <6a2d4.59fe25ae.399ab728@aol.com> Jim, Check to be sure your voltage regulator's case is electrically grounded to the car. If it isn't, that can cause overcharging and the boiling of battery cells. Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle From achd73 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 16 09:57:19 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 08:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Electrical problem... Lucas or...Ford? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <883964.5425.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >From previous experience the solenoid was stuck closed, as tho the key was in the start position. A good slap w/ a hammer or since there is no room, a long extension or equivalent and them smack "that" with a hammer and the solenoid will return to the open position. It acts like an electric magnet and when you add voltage to one side. It closes the circuit and pulls the solenoid closed, starts the car, you release the key to the run position and the voltage drops off and the voltage is then waiting in the battery. Be glad you have a generator as an alternator can't be pushed started,without a battery except for a few models of Chrysler I think. I'm not sure why your battery was boiling over. We have had several days over 100 degrees, which 92 is the average temp in the summer time in southern IL. Hope you manage to get everything well grounded when you replace the solenoid. Cheers, TtT From v8tracker at gmail.com Mon Aug 16 10:45:14 2010 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 11:45:14 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Winton historics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <616B9AF86ABF4CA5847C14588DF794B4@DellD4700> Michael, The weather may not have been to your liking, but the pictures sure were to mine. Thanks for sharing them with us. I love seeing the cars you all have that we don't as well as the American cars, such as the Galaxies, trying to stay with the smaller cars. Thanks again, A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 3:02 AM > To: Tiger Talk List Tiger > Subject: [Tigers] Winton historics > > On the weekend we had soe historic racing in Victoria... was > a lovely 7 degrees.. windy and raining.. just what you want > after driving 2.5 hours to get there!.. anyway.. some > pictures.. i didnt take many i got cold and wet enough taking > the ones i did. > > http://community.webshots.com/album/578393623CAhEqj > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker at gmail.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3074 - Release > Date: 08/15/10 13:35:00 From bobdixon at frii.com Mon Aug 16 11:06:14 2010 From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 11:06:14 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Adjusting lifters Message-ID: For those running solid lifters in their Tiger, I'm curious if you can adjust them without having to lower the engine. Thanks, Bob Pikes Peak or Bust 2011 From tym2 at comcast.net Mon Aug 16 11:49:06 2010 From: tym2 at comcast.net (tym2 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:49:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Help Needed Message-ID: <498357367.26196.1281980946498.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Tigers, I recently swapped my stock 2.88 rear end gears for a 3.73 posi unit. I'm using an Auto Meter Pro Comp speedometer connected to a T-5 tranny. Of course, the speedo is indicating more than 2x the actual speed. How do I find out which reduction gear (or something else) I need to have it indicate the correct speed? Thanks in advance. Tym McDowell From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 16 11:56:45 2010 From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 10:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] speedo Message-ID: <517838.54194.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> It depends on if the T% has a speedo gear and cable or digital electronic...If a gear then replace withdiffernt number of teeth...Use a GPS in car to get actual speed verses speedo read out..calculate ratio and apply to numbers of teeth on the gears ratio ...does that make sense? Mike From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Mon Aug 16 12:10:10 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 14:10:10 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Adjusting lifters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bob, The real question, I think, is how do you get the drivers' side valve cover off? Sadly, the answer is you probably can't. It's relatively easy to "drop the engine; do it by unbolting the transmission cross member from the "X" frame and lower the transmission with a floor jack. Rootes /Shelby were kind enough to give you a 2" hole right next to the throttle cable so you can reach the back bolt on the valve cover. From there it's the same old same old. Tom On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Bob Dixon wrote: > For those running solid lifters in their Tiger, I'm curious if you can > adjust them without having to lower the engine. > > Thanks, > Bob > Pikes Peak or Bust 2011 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From gripdad at gmail.com Mon Aug 16 13:03:43 2010 From: gripdad at gmail.com (William Manning) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:03:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Adjusting lifters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can get the valve cover off by putting the car in gear and pushing it until the rear rocker arm lowers allowing the cover to be removed. It is a tight fit. On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Tom Parker wrote: > Bob, > > The real question, I think, is how do you get the drivers' side valve cover > off? Sadly, the answer is you probably can't. > > It's relatively easy to "drop the engine; do it by unbolting the > transmission cross member from the "X" frame and lower the transmission > with > a floor jack. Rootes /Shelby were kind enough to give you a 2" hole right > next to the throttle cable so you can reach the back bolt on the valve > cover. From there it's the same old same old. > > Tom > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Bob Dixon wrote: > > > For those running solid lifters in their Tiger, I'm curious if you can > > adjust them without having to lower the engine. > > > > Thanks, > > Bob > > Pikes Peak or Bust 2011 > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gripdad at gmail.com From stubrennan at comcast.net Mon Aug 16 16:38:47 2010 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 18:38:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Electrical problem... Lucas or...Ford? In-Reply-To: <84C06183A733469483B5E86B5DD991CB@JIMPC> Message-ID: <000a01cb3d93$ceff0f20$6601a8c0@Brennan> I've seen the Ford solenoids weld themselves ON twice. Once on a girl's Maverick at work, where I whacked the solenoid with my shoe and that freed it. And once on the Tiger. I forget what I hit it with but it's not as easy to get to as the one on the Maverick. It worked OK for the rest of that day, but I replaced it as soon as I could. Stu From jim at island.net Mon Aug 16 16:52:08 2010 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:52:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Electrical problem... Lucas or...Ford? In-Reply-To: <000a01cb3d93$ceff0f20$6601a8c0@Brennan> References: <84C06183A733469483B5E86B5DD991CB@JIMPC> <000a01cb3d93$ceff0f20$6601a8c0@Brennan> Message-ID: <47FF49519BF74A0DA28934F46CB82652@JIMPC> Well... I have a bit of an update.. I changed the solenoid out for a new one... connected the battery and the car fired right up...BUT the alternator isn't charging... I installed a '3 wire' alt last year and up until this problem, the 'gen.' light worked properly but now will not come on with key on/engine off ( it didn't come on at any time yesterday while I was driving ). I pulled the gen. light wire from the alt. and grounded it (like the alt is supposed to do ) with key on/engine off and the light worked fine... Hmmmm.. so I checked that terminal on the alt. and it had 12v .My local electrical 'guru' is now thinking some kind of feedback voltage scenario and he's ordering parts to fix the alt. Not much more for me to do until that's fixed. It doesn't quite explain everything but getting closer... Jim -----Original Message----- From: Stu Brennan [mailto:stubrennan at comcast.net] Sent: August 16, 2010 3:39 PM To: 'Jim'; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Electrical problem... Lucas or...Ford? I've seen the Ford solenoids weld themselves ON twice. Once on a girl's Maverick at work, where I whacked the solenoid with my shoe and that freed it. And once on the Tiger. I forget what I hit it with but it's not as easy to get to as the one on the Maverick. It worked OK for the rest of that day, but I replaced it as soon as I could. Stu From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Mon Aug 16 17:08:29 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:08:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Electrical problem... Lucas or...Ford? In-Reply-To: <47FF49519BF74A0DA28934F46CB82652@JIMPC> References: <84C06183A733469483B5E86B5DD991CB@JIMPC> <000a01cb3d93$ceff0f20$6601a8c0@Brennan> <47FF49519BF74A0DA28934F46CB82652@JIMPC> Message-ID: Jim, What kind of alternator is it? The Tiger 2 used a 6RA relay to isolate the alternator field. If you're not getting a charge (quick check if you have a voltmeter: with the key off you should have @ 12v at the battery. With the engine running it should be closer to @ 14v, increasing with engine speed to @ 15v or so. If not, suspect either the alternator or the voltage regulator.) Tom On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Jim wrote: > Well... I have a bit of an update.. I changed the solenoid out for a new > one... connected the battery and the car fired right up...BUT the > alternator > isn't charging... > I installed a '3 wire' alt last year and up until this problem, the 'gen.' > light worked properly but now will not come on with key on/engine off ( it > didn't come on at any time yesterday while I was driving ). I pulled the > gen. light wire from the alt. and grounded it (like the alt is supposed to > do ) with key on/engine off and the light worked fine... Hmmmm.. so I > checked that terminal on the alt. and it had 12v .My local electrical > 'guru' > is now thinking some kind of feedback voltage scenario and he's ordering > parts to fix the alt. Not much more for me to do until that's fixed. It > doesn't quite explain everything but getting closer... > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stu Brennan [mailto:stubrennan at comcast.net] > Sent: August 16, 2010 3:39 PM > To: 'Jim'; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [Tigers] Electrical problem... Lucas or...Ford? > > I've seen the Ford solenoids weld themselves ON twice. Once on a girl's > Maverick at work, where I whacked the solenoid with my shoe and that > freed it. And once on the Tiger. I forget what I hit it with but it's > not as easy to get to as the one on the Maverick. It worked OK for the > rest of that day, but I replaced it as soon as I could. > > Stu > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From allanballard at att.net Mon Aug 16 17:19:08 2010 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:19:08 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] # on the differential In-Reply-To: <000a01cb3d93$ceff0f20$6601a8c0@Brennan> References: <000a01cb3d93$ceff0f20$6601a8c0@Brennan> Message-ID: I noticed a number stamped on the differential today -- 4HA004. Does anyone know what the number means? The car is not posi'd. Just curious, Rgds, Allan Ballard From ZForce56 at aol.com Mon Aug 16 17:24:09 2010 From: ZForce56 at aol.com (ZForce56 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:24:09 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Tach and Pertronix Message-ID: Will the stock Tiger Tachometer work if I replace the ignition points with a Pertronix conversion? Anyone with personal experience? Thanks, Zach Merrill From ZForce56 at aol.com Mon Aug 16 17:29:40 2010 From: ZForce56 at aol.com (ZForce56 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:29:40 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Steering cowl blanking plug and filter hoses Message-ID: My '65 Tiger B9473202 is missing the little rubber blanking plug that should fill the empty hole on the RH side of the steering column plastic cowling. Can anyone offer me a suggestion as to where I might be able to purchase one? I am also missing the hoses that should go to the stock remote oil filter. Can anyone point me to a pair of those (in any condition). I am working diligently to complete the restoration. Thanks! Zach Merrill From allanballard at att.net Mon Aug 16 17:33:37 2010 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:33:37 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Tach and Pertronix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sure--mine works fine. Allan Ballard On Aug 16, 2010, at 7:24 PM, ZForce56 at aol.com wrote: > Will the stock Tiger Tachometer work if I replace the ignition points with > a Pertronix conversion? Anyone with personal experience? > Thanks, > Zach Merrill > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Mon Aug 16 17:35:59 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:35:59 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Steering cowl blanking plug and filter hoses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Zach, can't help you with the plugs, but NAPA can plumb the remote filter for you. The fittings are standard pipe, as i recall. If it has an oil cooler those connections are British. Tom On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 7:29 PM, wrote: > My '65 Tiger B9473202 is missing the little rubber blanking plug that > should fill the empty hole on the RH side of the steering column plastic > cowling. Can anyone offer me a suggestion as to where I might be able to > purchase > one? I am also missing the hoses that should go to the stock remote oil > filter. Can anyone point me to a pair of those (in any condition). I am > working diligently to complete the restoration. > Thanks! > Zach Merrill > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From ZForce56 at aol.com Mon Aug 16 17:40:08 2010 From: ZForce56 at aol.com (ZForce56 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:40:08 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Tach and Pertronix Message-ID: Thanks for sharing your knowledge guys! I thought I had read that the tach would work with a Petronix, but the Nissonger Instrument repair guy assured me that the old tach would have to be converted to modern electronics at a caost of $275. You really helped me. Thanks! Zach In a message dated 8/16/2010 7:33:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, allanballard at att.net writes: Sure--mine works fine. Allan Ballard On Aug 16, 2010, at 7:24 PM, ZForce56 at aol.com wrote: > Will the stock Tiger Tachometer work if I replace the ignition points with > a Pertronix conversion? Anyone with personal experience? > Thanks, > Zach Merrill > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/zforce56 at aol.com From mcdangerous at verizon.net Mon Aug 16 17:42:57 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:42:57 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Tach and Pertronix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mine works real fine. No issues whatsoever. M On 8/16/10 7:24 PM, "ZForce56 at aol.com" wrote: > Will the stock Tiger Tachometer work if I replace the ignition points with > a Pertronix conversion? Anyone with personal experience? > Thanks, > Zach Merrill > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net From mcdangerous at verizon.net Mon Aug 16 17:44:35 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:44:35 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Steering cowl blanking plug and filter hoses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I bought a complete (whole car) set from Rick at Sunbeam Specialties. Pricey (~ $70) but worth it to me. M On 8/16/10 7:29 PM, "ZForce56 at aol.com" wrote: > My '65 Tiger B9473202 is missing the little rubber blanking plug that > should fill the empty hole on the RH side of the steering column plastic > cowling. Can anyone offer me a suggestion as to where I might be able to > purchase > one? I am also missing the hoses that should go to the stock remote oil > filter. Can anyone point me to a pair of those (in any condition). I am > working diligently to complete the restoration. > Thanks! > Zach Merrill > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net From rkdesign at verizon.net Mon Aug 16 17:44:44 2010 From: rkdesign at verizon.net (rkdesign at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 18:44:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Radio Message-ID: <1622098325.1299850.1282002284759.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net> /zpZuC2: Permission denied From rande at thecia.net Mon Aug 16 17:58:34 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:58:34 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] rear axle number Message-ID: <4c69d0aa.5a5b.0@thecia.net> At least the '4HA' part of the stamped number is listed in some of the Tiger history books as the model number of the Salisbury rear axle assembly used in the production cars. You may also find a ratio tag held on by one of the top ( in my case) axle cover bolts, which is shown as a fraction, i.e. 49 over 17 (2.88 to 1). RB From RSSmithIQ at cs.com Mon Aug 16 18:01:41 2010 From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:01:41 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Tach and Pertronix In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C69D165.9020405@cs.com> Zach- I had the same experience as the other guys who answered. I put in the Pertronix and everything seemed like it worked just fine, however, over the years I have come to suspect that the tach is not really accurate any longer. I'm pretty sure it reads high. I have heard a number of folks on the list say similar things. One recent post mentioned having access to a lot more "power" after updating the tach. So while it appears to work OK, I really think it is no longer accurate. -Randy On 8/16/2010 7:24 PM, ZForce56 at aol.com wrote: > Will the stock Tiger Tachometer work if I replace the ignition points with > a Pertronix conversion? Anyone with personal experience? > Thanks, > Zach Merrill > _______________________________________________ Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ at cs.com Tiger- B382000189 From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Aug 16 18:02:17 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:02:17 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Tach and Pertronix Message-ID: <5f852.4df84aad.399b2b89@aol.com> Zach, If you research the list archives I think you will find that it works okay for some owners and not for others. If it worked okay for everyone there would be no need for the various services that do the conversions. Mine does not work properly with the petronix. Seems to be a crap shoot. I was on the losing end:-) The nice thing is you can try and you might be one of the lucky ones. No harm done if it doesn't work correctly. If you get sick of seeing the needle jump all over, get it converted. Mark L In a message dated 8/16/2010 7:47:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ZForce56 at aol.com writes: Thanks for sharing your knowledge guys! I thought I had read that the tach would work with a Petronix, but the Nissonger Instrument repair guy assured me that the old tach would have to be converted to modern electronics at a caost of $275. You really helped me. Thanks! Zach In a message dated 8/16/2010 7:33:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, allanballard at att.net writes: Sure--mine works fine. Allan Ballard On Aug 16, 2010, at 7:24 PM, ZForce56 at aol.com wrote: > Will the stock Tiger Tachometer work if I replace the ignition points with > a Pertronix conversion? Anyone with personal experience? > Thanks, > Zach Merrill > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/zforce56 at aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From mcdangerous at verizon.net Mon Aug 16 18:37:27 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 20:37:27 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Retractable Shoulder Seatbelts in the Tiger In-Reply-To: <5f852.4df84aad.399b2b89@aol.com> Message-ID: The one thing that bothers me about driving my Tiger is the lap seat belts in it. These are mounted to loop bolts through the floor. I hate these things; they make me feel really unsafe. I would really feel better with some retractable shoulder belts. Does anyone know the best way to install these and where to buy the best parts? Thanks. M From mai65tai at sonic.net Mon Aug 16 19:04:26 2010 From: mai65tai at sonic.net (John Stithem) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 18:04:26 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Wheel stud length Message-ID: <002401cb3da8$2351e200$69f5a600$@net> Any know what the length of the stock Tiger Wheel stud is? 7/16" x ? Thanks in advance. John From RSSmithIQ at cs.com Mon Aug 16 19:25:56 2010 From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 21:25:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Retractable Shoulder Seatbelts in the Tiger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C69E524.8050606@cs.com> I have had retractable shoulder/lap belts in my car for quite a while now. I bought a retractable belt unit from Victoria British that bolted right in with no modifications. There are two threaded mounting holes already in the car for that purpose. They are plugged with plastic plugs. You can see the caps if you look inside the rear wheel wells. You do need to cut a slit in the interior trim to access them. The lap portion bolts to the existing mounting points and the shoulder unit with the retractor and centrifugal lock mounts to the shoulder mounting point. There is an adjustment to make the centrifugal lock work properly, but it's pretty easy. This is one of the few things I have bought from VB that worked just fine. I don't have the part number handy, but could find it if you email me. I'm on vacation this week and back on the weekend. -Randy On 8/16/2010 8:37 PM, Would U. Believe wrote: > The one thing that bothers me about driving my Tiger is the lap seat belts > in it. These are mounted to loop bolts through the floor. I hate these > things; they make me feel really unsafe. I would really feel better with > some retractable shoulder belts. Does anyone know the best way to install > these and where to buy the best parts? Thanks. M -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ at cs.com Tiger- B382000189 From modtiger at comcast.net Mon Aug 16 19:31:57 2010 From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 18:31:57 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Monterey Update In-Reply-To: <658863ED23B547E7B90009361C601FE0@BucksLaptop> References: <97D1A2B08B554D2DB91ED175C37BBFE4@ronpc1> <658863ED23B547E7B90009361C601FE0@BucksLaptop> Message-ID: <4C69E68D.5010803@comcast.net> On 8/15/2010 7:35 AM, Buck Trippel wrote: > As it now stands, I plan to withdraw our SCF Tiger from today's races. > John somehow survived a multi-car crash in a Scarab yesterday > afternoon in which he was pinned upside down after rolling it 2-1/2 > times. He was checked out at the hospital and then released last night > with no injuries other than some bumps and bruises. I think he's > earned a day off. > > Michael, to answer your question, our rules now say that the spark > must be produced inside the distributor cap. Points would work but > nobody produces the old style high RPM points anymore. While the > various Pertronics all produce hotter sparks than points, at best they > have less than half the output of the old reliable MSD. Actually I > have been very pleased at how well the SCF Tiger had been performing. > On the speed chart we're quicker than all the GT350s and most of the > Cobras and Vettes. There are only a couple Cobras and Vettes quicker > than us and most of those are from the Ap class. We were looking good > enough for one 350 owner to (joke) suggest deploying a police spike > strip in front of our pits to slow the Tiger down. > > BTW, Yesterday Tom Hall installed a new R&P in Tom Sakai's rear end. > Dan Walters and Tom were still installing it in the race car last > night when I went to bed. They might have a bit more to do on it this > morning. > > BT at Monterey To correct the record slightly, Thomo (Peter Thomson, of Australia) is visiting at our home, and he played a major part in installing' the replacement gears in Tom Sakai's differential. The job would have been a lot longer if I had to do it alone. As an interesting side note, Thomo just returned from a short run in his Tiger. San Francisco area to Alaska and back, _with no top_, over 8000 miles in 3 weeks. So the next time you guys consider that it's "just too far" to come to a Tiger event. Consider Pete's effort, "just for fun". -- Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering www.tigerengineering.net From MWood24020 at aol.com Mon Aug 16 19:37:43 2010 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 21:37:43 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Monterey Update Message-ID: <1d06e.79657294.399b41e7@aol.com> Yeah, but we all know Thomo is crazy...and I say that with utmost respect and in the most complimentary way possible...Tigers in the Yukon!! Mike In a message dated 8/16/2010 6:33:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, modtiger at comcast.net writes: On 8/15/2010 7:35 AM, Buck Trippel wrote: > As it now stands, I plan to withdraw our SCF Tiger from today's races. > John somehow survived a multi-car crash in a Scarab yesterday > afternoon in which he was pinned upside down after rolling it 2-1/2 > times. He was checked out at the hospital and then released last night > with no injuries other than some bumps and bruises. I think he's > earned a day off. > > Michael, to answer your question, our rules now say that the spark > must be produced inside the distributor cap. Points would work but > nobody produces the old style high RPM points anymore. While the > various Pertronics all produce hotter sparks than points, at best they > have less than half the output of the old reliable MSD. Actually I > have been very pleased at how well the SCF Tiger had been performing. > On the speed chart we're quicker than all the GT350s and most of the > Cobras and Vettes. There are only a couple Cobras and Vettes quicker > than us and most of those are from the Ap class. We were looking good > enough for one 350 owner to (joke) suggest deploying a police spike > strip in front of our pits to slow the Tiger down. > > BTW, Yesterday Tom Hall installed a new R&P in Tom Sakai's rear end. > Dan Walters and Tom were still installing it in the race car last > night when I went to bed. They might have a bit more to do on it this > morning. > > BT at Monterey To correct the record slightly, Thomo (Peter Thomson, of Australia) is visiting at our home, and he played a major part in installing' the replacement gears in Tom Sakai's differential. The job would have been a lot longer if I had to do it alone. As an interesting side note, Thomo just returned from a short run in his Tiger. San Francisco area to Alaska and back, _with no top_, over 8000 miles in 3 weeks. So the next time you guys consider that it's "just too far" to come to a Tiger event. Consider Pete's effort, "just for fun". -- Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering www.tigerengineering.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020 at aol.com From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com Mon Aug 16 19:48:34 2010 From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 18:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger tach and pertronix Message-ID: <985633.84230.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> You know there is a potentiometer in the tach...If you remove the rear cover you can see it...and if you drill a hole there you can adjust your tack with a small srewdriver whil it is in the car with the car running....(i just did this last week) Mike From slaifman at socal.rr.com Mon Aug 16 19:58:42 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 18:58:42 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Retractable Shoulder Seatbelts in the Tiger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C69ECD2.6030907@socal.rr.com> Mike (I believe), Tiger floor mounted bolts are very similar to any other car of that vintage. The belt fabric may become a little worn, and they do not last forever. What you should consider is a new a lap/shoulder strap and rear inner-fender mount retractor. There are the standard two-point mounts, but even better are the ones with a shoulder straps. There is a hidden bolt hole behind the shoulder in the rear fender wells. Neat, easy to use, and effective. These are available with retractors that are part of the assembly bolted to the rear inner fender. They are about $70 for both sides from many sources. The lap buckle should be metal-to-metal fittings with a push-button release. If you want, I can go out and look at the labels on mine. Steve. Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com Would U. Believe wrote: > The one thing that bothers me about driving my Tiger is the lap seat belts > in it. These are mounted to loop bolts through the floor. I hate these > things; they make me feel really unsafe. I would really feel better with > some retractable shoulder belts. Does anyone know the best way to install > these and where to buy the best parts? Thanks. M > _______________________________________________ From ZForce56 at aol.com Mon Aug 16 20:04:15 2010 From: ZForce56 at aol.com (ZForce56 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 22:04:15 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Anybody remember Rich Bakula? Message-ID: <8e55f.284976ec.399b481f@aol.com> I know this is a long shot, but the Tiger community is pretty small, so maybe there is a chance. I own '65 Tiger B9473202. Supposedly the car has had few owners (two before me?) I googled the VIN and got a hit for an old tech letter to TE/AE circa 1981. The letter was from owner Rich Bakula who was apparently in the Melborne Florida vicinity. The guy I bought the car from said he bought it in '97 from an auction company disposing of an estate. Does anyone know of Rich Bakula or know any history on B9473202? This is just curiosity stuff. I think it would be neat to know all the history of the car. Thanks! Zach Merrill From todbrown at roadrunner.com Mon Aug 16 23:24:45 2010 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 01:24:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Tach and Pertronix Message-ID: <4C6A1D1D.2000304@roadrunner.com> There was a time, before there were the modern conversions for our tachs, that some folks in TE/AE (I believe one involved was Tom Ehrhart) made measurements on the accuracy of our "state of the art" transistorized tachs and found that they were quite questionable. This indicates that the normal deterioration of the old electronics in the tach is the main cause of the inaccuracy, not anything to do with the use of Pertronix ignitions. IIRC, you can often rehab an old tach by replacing the big capacitor on the circuit board or, if that failed, replacing the transistors which could be found very cheaply at Radio Shack. However, nowadays it is a Good Idea to convert to Pertronix or some other more reliable ignition system in our cars, for obvious reasons. You can also replace the coil with a new Pertronix and do away with the ballast resistor at the same time. It also makes sense to me to have the old electronics in the tach replaced with a new circuit board. Tom Hall and Theo Smit have designed such an improvement and can make the conversion for you. It cost me $165 a couple of years ago and I expect the calibration will outlive me. If you want to preserve the original tach for posterity, pack it up and put it away and use another. Most of the Smiths tachs are interchangeable as the mechanical parts are pretty standard. If you add a new circuit board, it can be calibrated for your setup. I am using a tach out of a Series IV Alpine with the new circuit board installed. The lettering is identical to the stock MkI/IA tach except for the notation (in small letters) that indicates "4 cyl, positive earth" which hardly anyone can read, especially Jim Armstrong. It has the added benefit of having a higher red line. Use the tach out of a Series V Alpine if you have a MkII Tiger. You can even have the face redone with new lettering by Paul Breuhan if you wish, so no one will be the wiser. Tod B382002384LRXFE From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 17 01:39:54 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 00:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re: Re: Original Tiger Radio Message-ID: <283873.29412.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> List- Im posting the below messag for Ron.It bouncd back. Evidently he is receiving LIST mail but isnt allowed to post- please help him IF you are in a position that would so help a fellow Bean owner. Next time it may be one of us asking. Thanks, TtT --- On Tue, 8/17/10, rkdesign at verizon.net wrote: From: rkdesign at verizon.net Subject: Re: Re: [Tigers] Original Tiger Radio Hello Group, Can anyone tell me if eBay item 280549413763, Sunbeam Tiger original radio and speaker box is actually the unit that would have come with 1966 Tiger MK1A, B382001945LRXFE? I would look it up myself, but I am not one of the lucky BON owners. Any response will be greatly appreciated. Ron From: rkdesign at verizon.net Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Radio To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From allanballard at att.net Tue Aug 17 06:37:00 2010 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:37:00 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Tach and Pertronix In-Reply-To: <4C6A1D1D.2000304@roadrunner.com> References: <4C6A1D1D.2000304@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <54FA1D5C-E7F0-4495-84B7-A8056A451422@att.net> These tach's can be restored with a little effort. A gentleman at SAOCA published an excellent "How To" article, published on their site. Recently he calibrated mine; earlier he calibrated my Alpine tach and for both provided a report comparing actual vs gauge through the rpm band. Both were set to dead on. http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/index.php?categoryid=82&p2_articleid=28 On Aug 17, 2010, at 1:24 AM, Tod Brown wrote: > There was a time, before there were the modern conversions for our > tachs, that some folks in TE/AE (I believe one involved was Tom Ehrhart) > made measurements on the accuracy of our "state of the art" > transistorized tachs and found that they were quite questionable. This > indicates that the normal deterioration of the old electronics in the > tach is the main cause of the inaccuracy, not anything to do with the > use of Pertronix ignitions. IIRC, you can often rehab an old tach by > replacing the big capacitor on the circuit board or, if that failed, > replacing the transistors which could be found very cheaply at Radio > Shack. However, nowadays it is a Good Idea to convert to Pertronix or > some other more reliable ignition system in our cars, for obvious > reasons. You can also replace the coil with a new Pertronix and do away > with the ballast resistor at the same time. It also makes sense to me > to have the old electronics in the tach replaced with a new circuit > board. Tom Hall and Theo Smit have designed such an improvement and can > make the conversion for you. It cost me $165 a couple of years ago and > I expect the calibration will outlive me. If you want to preserve the > original tach for posterity, pack it up and put it away and use > another. Most of the Smiths tachs are interchangeable as the mechanical > parts are pretty standard. If you add a new circuit board, it can be > calibrated for your setup. I am using a tach out of a Series IV Alpine > with the new circuit board installed. The lettering is identical to the > stock MkI/IA tach except for the notation (in small letters) that > indicates "4 cyl, positive earth" which hardly anyone can read, > especially Jim Armstrong. It has the added benefit of having a higher > red line. Use the tach out of a Series V Alpine if you have a MkII > Tiger. You can even have the face redone with new lettering by Paul > Breuhan if you wish, so no one will be the wiser. > > Tod > B382002384LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net From gabbardalex at att.net Tue Aug 17 06:59:55 2010 From: gabbardalex at att.net (Gabbard Gabbard) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 05:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Mk I/Alping IV boot cover In-Reply-To: <54FA1D5C-E7F0-4495-84B7-A8056A451422@att.net> Message-ID: <658639.90985.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm looking for a good set of the 3-piece boot cover for a Mk I Tiger. Anyone got a set? How much? Alex Gabbard --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Allan Ballard wrote: From: Allan Ballard Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Tach and Pertronix To: "LIST TIGER" Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 7:37 AM These tach's can be restored with a little effort. A gentleman at SAOCA published an excellent "How To" article, published on their site. Recently he calibrated mine; earlier he calibrated my Alpine tach and for both provided a report comparing actual vs gauge through the rpm band. Both were set to dead on. http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/index.php?categoryid=82&p2_articleid=28 On Aug 17, 2010, at 1:24 AM, Tod Brown wrote: > There was a time, before there were the modern conversions for our > tachs, that some folks in TE/AE (I believe one involved was Tom Ehrhart) > made measurements on the accuracy of our "state of the art" > transistorized tachs and found that they were quite questionable. This > indicates that the normal deterioration of the old electronics in the > tach is the main cause of the inaccuracy, not anything to do with the > use of Pertronix ignitions. IIRC, you can often rehab an old tach by > replacing the big capacitor on the circuit board or, if that failed, > replacing the transistors which could be found very cheaply at Radio > Shack. However, nowadays it is a Good Idea to convert to Pertronix or > some other more reliable ignition system in our cars, for obvious > reasons. You can also replace the coil with a new Pertronix and do away > with the ballast resistor at the same time. It also makes sense to me > to have the old electronics in the tach replaced with a new circuit > board. Tom Hall and Theo Smit have designed such an improvement and can > make the conversion for you. It cost me $165 a couple of years ago and > I expect the calibration will outlive me. If you want to preserve the > original tach for posterity, pack it up and put it away and use > another. Most of the Smiths tachs are interchangeable as the mechanical > parts are pretty standard. If you add a new circuit board, it can be > calibrated for your setup. I am using a tach out of a Series IV Alpine > with the new circuit board installed. The lettering is identical to the > stock MkI/IA tach except for the notation (in small letters) that > indicates "4 cyl, positive earth" which hardly anyone can read, > especially Jim Armstrong. It has the added benefit of having a higher > red line. Use the tach out of a Series V Alpine if you have a MkII > Tiger. You can even have the face redone with new lettering by Paul > Breuhan if you wish, so no one will be the wiser. > > Tod > B382002384LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/gabbardalex at att.net From GRMTim at aol.com Tue Aug 17 09:22:52 2010 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 11:22:52 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Tach and Pertronix Message-ID: I had good luck at Nisonger in restoring mine. He also told me he has some new technology for making the old tach work with modern electronic ignition. Not sure what he does exactly. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 239-0523 Fax: (386) 239-0723 From djoh797014 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 17 09:51:15 2010 From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:51:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re: Re: Original Tiger Radio In-Reply-To: <283873.29412.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <283873.29412.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <416125.19093.qm@web111619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Tony, I'm still alive. Hot in Indianapolis. Re radio: It all depend on where the car was ourchased. Ordered from a Rootes dealer it should have a WR9 radio and speaker box. Ordered oevrseas it proabably had a muliband Blauplunkt. Order from a Chrysler dealer it had a Chysler $15 Motorola radio that said 'Sunbeam and a pentastart. Early cars before Chyrsler had the WR radios and Blauplunkt. Chrylser Tigers had the Chrysler radio unleas the dealer also had Sunbeam parts and then ????. Radios in Tigers were actually Marconi static boxes. There are lots of tricks to eliminate the static. Look out for radios from Alpines. Some are positive ground. They can be converted simply. But dont hook up until you do. Dave ________________________________ From: Tony Somebody To: Beamclub Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 3:39:54 AM Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re: Re: Original Tiger Radio List- Im posting the below messag for Ron.It bouncd back. Evidently he is receiving LIST mail but isnt allowed to post- please help him IF you are in a position that would so help a fellow Bean owner. Next time it may be one of us asking. Thanks, TtT --- On Tue, 8/17/10, rkdesign at verizon.net wrote: From: rkdesign at verizon.net Subject: Re: Re: [Tigers] Original Tiger Radio Hello Group, Can anyone tell me if eBay item 280549413763, Sunbeam Tiger original radio and speaker box is actually the unit that would have come with 1966 Tiger MK1A, B382001945LRXFE? I would look it up myself, but I am not one of the lucky BON owners. Any response will be greatly appreciated. Ron From: rkdesign at verizon.net Subject: [Tigers] Original Tiger Radio To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/djoh797014 at yahoo.com From slaifman at socal.rr.com Tue Aug 17 10:41:09 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 09:41:09 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re: Re: Original Tiger Radio In-Reply-To: <416125.19093.qm@web111619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <283873.29412.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <416125.19093.qm@web111619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C6ABBA5.2080702@socal.rr.com> Guys (and gals), Here is a link to the actual Rootes Dealer accessories. The radio is shown. thanks to David and Gary Franchi for these images. *http://tigersunited.com/resources/Dealer_Accessories/DealerAccessCat.asp* Good pictures, in both a small (0.5 MByte) and larger (2.4 MByte) PDF formats, are available. Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com David T Johnson wrote: > Hi Tony, I'm still alive. Hot in Indianapolis. > > Re radio: > It all depend on > where the car was ourchased. Ordered from a Rootes > dealer it should have a > WR9 radio and speaker box. Ordered oevrseas > it proabably had a muliband > Blauplunkt. Order from a Chrysler dealer > it had a Chysler $15 Motorola radio > that said 'Sunbeam and a pentastart. > Early cars before Chyrsler had the WR > radios and Blauplunkt. Chrylser > Tigers had the Chrysler radio unleas the > dealer also had Sunbeam parts > and then ????. > > Radios in Tigers were actually > Marconi static boxes. There are lots > of tricks to eliminate the static. > Look out for radios from Alpines. Some are positive ground. They > can be > converted simply. But dont hook up until you do. > > Dave From Rollright at aol.com Tue Aug 17 13:30:30 2010 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 15:30:30 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Heater Control Valves Message-ID: Hello, After hearing from an old Tiger friend in need, I thought the list might shed some light on this subject. He need a Mk1A / Mk 11 heater control valve. The last one I bought was from Curt at Classic. As a courtesy, I called and they were out of stock. Rick at SS didn't have them the last time I tried, but when I called yesterday Richard said that they had just gotten them in. Good deal, data passed on to Paul Silva and the down-East baby seal-blubber purveyor Tod Brown. But, are they rebuildable? Has anybody taken one apart? As they are so rare, I've never thrown one away and I'll be most other Tiger owners still have them "saved". What is inside? Is it just rubber discs? Has anybody tried it? Thoughts? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE From dave at munroe.ca Tue Aug 17 14:10:24 2010 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 17:10:24 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Heater Control Valves In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C4F83527AD2403C9AE355D35AE329B9@DavePC> Jim: NOS one on eBay right now.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUNBEAM-TIGER-ALPINE-NOS-HEATER-CONTROL-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ370419506668QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories Dave Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 4:30 PM Subject: [Tigers] Heater Control Valves > Hello, > > After hearing from an old Tiger friend in need, I thought the list might > shed some light on this subject. > > He need a Mk1A / Mk 11 heater control valve. The last one I bought was > from Curt at Classic. As a courtesy, I called and they were out of stock. > > Rick at SS didn't have them the last time I tried, but when I called > yesterday Richard said that they had just gotten them in. Good deal, data > passed > on to Paul Silva and the down-East baby seal-blubber purveyor Tod Brown. > > But, are they rebuildable? Has anybody taken one apart? As they are so > rare, I've never thrown one away and I'll be most other Tiger owners still > have them "saved". What is inside? Is it just rubber discs? Has anybody > tried > it? > > Thoughts? > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE From allanballard at att.net Tue Aug 17 14:24:30 2010 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:24:30 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Heater Control Valves In-Reply-To: <9C4F83527AD2403C9AE355D35AE329B9@DavePC> References: <9C4F83527AD2403C9AE355D35AE329B9@DavePC> Message-ID: <4F68686A-9390-4CB5-96DF-6A80876A314F@att.net> Are they same as for Alpines? Alpine valves are on ebay frequently. Allan Ballard On Aug 17, 2010, at 4:10 PM, Dave Munroe wrote: > Jim: > > NOS one on eBay right now.... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUNBEAM-TIGER-ALPINE-NOS-HEATER-CONTROL-_W0QQc mdZViewItemQQitemZ370419506668QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories > > Dave > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 4:30 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Heater Control Valves > > >> Hello, >> >> After hearing from an old Tiger friend in need, I thought the list might >> shed some light on this subject. >> >> He need a Mk1A / Mk 11 heater control valve. The last one I bought was >> from Curt at Classic. As a courtesy, I called and they were out of stock. >> >> Rick at SS didn't have them the last time I tried, but when I called >> yesterday Richard said that they had just gotten them in. Good deal, data passed >> on to Paul Silva and the down-East baby seal-blubber purveyor Tod Brown. >> >> But, are they rebuildable? Has anybody taken one apart? As they are so >> rare, I've never thrown one away and I'll be most other Tiger owners still >> have them "saved". What is inside? Is it just rubber discs? Has anybody tried >> it? >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Jim Armstrong >> Mk 1A 382002083 >> LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Aug 17 16:53:20 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:53:20 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Heater Control Valves In-Reply-To: <9C4F83527AD2403C9AE355D35AE329B9@DavePC> References: <9C4F83527AD2403C9AE355D35AE329B9@DavePC> Message-ID: Dave thats the control switch.. not valave. It also not suitable for a MKIA/II as it has the early metal head as for valves.. thelatert MGC one is correct.. repros available from: http://www.kirks-auto.com/MGC/MGC_HeaterControlValve_LaterStyle.html On 18 August 2010 06:10, Dave Munroe wrote: > Jim: > > NOS one on eBay right now.... > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUNBEAM-TIGER-ALPINE-NOS-HEATER-CONTROL-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ370419506668QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories > > Dave > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 4:30 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Heater Control Valves > > > > Hello, >> >> After hearing from an old Tiger friend in need, I thought the list might >> shed some light on this subject. >> >> He need a Mk1A / Mk 11 heater control valve. The last one I bought was >> from Curt at Classic. As a courtesy, I called and they were out of stock. >> >> Rick at SS didn't have them the last time I tried, but when I called >> yesterday Richard said that they had just gotten them in. Good deal, data >> passed >> on to Paul Silva and the down-East baby seal-blubber purveyor Tod Brown. >> >> But, are they rebuildable? Has anybody taken one apart? As they are so >> rare, I've never thrown one away and I'll be most other Tiger owners still >> have them "saved". What is inside? Is it just rubber discs? Has anybody >> tried >> it? >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Jim Armstrong >> Mk 1A 382002083 >> LRXFE >> > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com Tue Aug 17 18:54:51 2010 From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 19:54:51 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re: Re: Original Tiger Radio In-Reply-To: <283873.29412.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <283873.29412.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4F5125AA15004D928B3F9622911776AE@OfficePC> I have B382000217 and it has the dealer installed radio setup that looks like the one on Ebay. Except mine has a Motorola AM radio. It is listed in the BON as LAT-72. Thanks, Joe Brown Arlington, TX B382000217 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:40 AM To: Beamclub Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re: Re: Original Tiger Radio List- Im posting the below messag for Ron.It bouncd back. Evidently he is receiving LIST mail but isnt allowed to post- please help him IF you are in a position that would so help a fellow Bean owner. Next time it may be one of us asking. Thanks, TtT --- On Tue, 8/17/10, rkdesign at verizon.net wrote: From: rkdesign at verizon.net Subject: Re: Re: [Tigers] Original Tiger Radio Hello Group, Can anyone tell me if eBay item 280549413763, Sunbeam Tiger original radio and speaker box is actually the unit that would have come with 1966 Tiger MK1A, B382001945LRXFE? I would look it up myself, but I am not one of the lucky BON owners. Any response will be greatly appreciated. Ron From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 17 19:44:52 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 18:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Original Tiger Radio In-Reply-To: <4F5125AA15004D928B3F9622911776AE@OfficePC> Message-ID: <262758.43941.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If you read the post by Indianapolis Dave, you will learn that Tigers used different radios, depending on when and where they where installed. I will go out on a limb and state that Dave might well know as much as any person on the list about many stock parts. As a younger man his brother worked at a Rootes dealer and got younger brother Dave a job removing cosmalene from incoming cars or that is the parts that had cosmalene applied. Dave learned much about Tigers, including that he had to have one, imagine he has owned several over the years, including Alpines as he keeps adds in many newspapers, looking for cars or parts etc etc. Read his post and learn that two cars with a single number difference in the VIN, might not even have a radio in the car. --- On Tue, 8/17/10, Joe Brown wrote: From: Joe Brown Subject: RE: [Tigers] Fw: Re: Re: Original Tiger Radio To: "'Tony Somebody'" , "'Beamclub'" Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2010, 7:54 PM I have B382000217 and it has the dealer installed radio setup that looks like the one on Ebay. Except mine has a Motorola AM radio. It is listed in the BON as LAT-72. Thanks, Joe Brown Arlington, TX B382000217 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:40 AM To: Beamclub Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re: Re: Original Tiger Radio List- Im posting the below messag for Ron.It bouncd back. Evidently he is receiving LIST mail but isnt allowed to post- please help him IF you are in a position that would so help a fellow Bean owner. Next time it may be one of us asking. Thanks, TtT --- On Tue, 8/17/10, rkdesign at verizon.net wrote: From: rkdesign at verizon.net Subject: Re: Re: [Tigers] Original Tiger Radio Hello Group, Can anyone tell me if eBay item 280549413763, Sunbeam Tiger original radio and speaker box is actually the unit that would have come with 1966 Tiger MK1A, B382001945LRXFE? I would look it up myself, but I am not one of the lucky BON owners. Any response will be greatly appreciated. Ron From djoh797014 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 17 22:32:35 2010 From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Marconi boxes Message-ID: <156656.53154.qm@web111602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> AM radios in Tigers are almost useless. They do receive static well. FM radios were not common andn were usually came with the superior Blaupunkt. The radio location and the proximity of the engine and generator wass the culprit. I wrote many memos about killing the static. There sre many fixes and filters (resisterplags and wires, inline filters, etc) all of which may or may not work. I tried them all but with my LAT hood with its radio transparency I could not filter the radio. The problem was the static was being transmktted to the antenna and then to the radio. Steel hood users did not have this issue. Ken Bishops has his antenna in the back. The fix was to install a simple toroid coil at the radio end of the antenna. Voila almost no static. Available at any electronic shop or Radio Trash, the coils are for PCs to stop interferring noise. Its less than $10 and is rectangular plastic about 1 by 2 inches. Split the coil apart (its is already designed to divide it half). Wrap the antenna lead 2 or 3 times in the split half. The closer to the end the better. Reassemble and stick it back into the radio. My ultimate fix was to take my radio face off and install it of a junk Jensen AM/FM radio. I looked for one that the knobs matced the face plate. Cost about $10. I saved the rest of my radio. I ran a small switch to change from AM to FM. Now I can listen to quiet FM. Few have noticed especially with the correct Chrysler face plate and speaker box. kept the original speaker and box and sdded 2 Jensens on each side. Speaker location is a problem with Tigers. The PO had cut holes in the kck panel and I screwed the Jensens to the carpet to keep them from moving around.Yes I know I'm screwing with the impedence. Its probably about 3 ohms I guess. I have 4 speakers left/right and front/back plus the original front facing speaker. The radio sounds great. Ken Bishops static solution is his Tape Player. I do not take credit for everything Tony has said. On second thought. Yes I do. Dave From arado7 at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 18 01:31:14 2010 From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 00:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Marconi boxes In-Reply-To: <156656.53154.qm@web111602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <128219.78695.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In my Tiger which I have kept scrupulously stock, I removed the cubby hole box and made a face plate for the hole in the dash and installed a modern in 1986 am/fm with casette player. I changed earth to negative in the car. I still have the cubby box and can put it back in. I like the radio. I did not like a radio under the dash. Things always move on. Gary B9472283 who sinned. --- On Wed, 8/18/10, David T Johnson wrote: From: David T Johnson Subject: [Tigers] Marconi boxes To: Tigers at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 4:32 AM AM radios in Tigers are almost useless. They do receive static well. FM radios were not common andn were usually came with the superior Blaupunkt. The radio location and the proximity of the engine and generator wass the culprit. I wrote many memos about killing the static. There sre many fixes and filters (resisterplags and wires, inline filters, etc) all of which may or may not work. I tried them all but with my LAT hood with its radio transparency I could not filter the radio. The problem was the static was being transmktted to the antenna and then to the radio. Steel hood users did not have this issue. Ken Bishops has his antenna in the back. The fix was to install a simple toroid coil at the radio end of the antenna. Voila almost no static. Available at any electronic shop or Radio Trash, the coils are for PCs to stop interferring noise. Its less than $10 and is rectangular plastic about 1 by 2 inches. Split the coil apart (its is already designed to divide it half). Wrap the antenna lead 2 or 3 times in the split half. The closer to the end the better. Reassemble and stick it back into the radio. My ultimate fix was to take my radio face off and install it of a junk Jensen AM/FM radio. I looked for one that the knobs matced the face plate. Cost about $10. I saved the rest of my radio. I ran a small switch to change from AM to FM. Now I can listen to quiet FM. Few have noticed especially with the correct Chrysler face plate and speaker box. kept the original speaker and box and sdded 2 Jensens on each side. Speaker location is a problem with Tigers. The PO had cut holes in the kck panel and I screwed the Jensens to the carpet to keep them from moving around.Yes I know I'm screwing with the impedence. Its probably about 3 ohms I guess. I have 4 speakers left/right and front/back plus the original front facing speaker. The radio sounds great. Ken Bishops static solution is his Tape Player. I do not take credit for everything Tony has said. On second thought. Yes I do. Dave _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/arado7 at sbcglobal.net From garywinblad at comcast.net Wed Aug 18 06:40:18 2010 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 12:40:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Heater Control Valves In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2038931014.2460.1282135218408.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Or what about supporting the Tiger vendors: http://www.reisentzrestorations.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: michael king To: Dave Munroe Cc: Rollright at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:53:20 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Heater Control Valves Dave thats the control switch.. not valave. It also not suitable for a MKIA/II as it has the early metal head as for valves.. thelatert MGC one is correct.. repros available from: http://www.kirks-auto.com/MGC/MGC_HeaterControlValve_LaterStyle.html On 18 August 2010 06:10, Dave Munroe wrote: > Jim: > > NOS one on eBay right now.... > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUNBEAM-TIGER-ALPINE-NOS-HEATER-CONTROL-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ370419506668QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories > > Dave > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 4:30 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Heater Control Valves > > > > Hello, >> >> After hearing from an old Tiger friend in need, I thought the list might >> shed some light on this subject. >> >> He need a Mk1A / Mk 11 heater control valve. The last one I bought was >> from Curt at Classic. As a courtesy, I called and they were out of stock. >> >> Rick at SS didn't have them the last time I tried, but when I called >> yesterday Richard said that they had just gotten them in. Good deal, data >> passed >> on to Paul Silva and the down-East baby seal-blubber purveyor Tod Brown. >> >> But, are they rebuildable? Has anybody taken one apart? As they are so >> rare, I've never thrown one away and I'll be most other Tiger owners still >> have them "saved". What is inside? Is it just rubber discs? Has anybody >> tried >> it? >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Jim Armstrong >> Mk 1A 382002083 >> LRXFE From achd73 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 18 07:12:33 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 06:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Heater Control Valves In-Reply-To: <2038931014.2460.1282135218408.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <858893.81872.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think the metal round heads can be removed and the plastic one reinstalled IF U need the switch VS the valve- I haven't looked on epay, so don't know whats on there, maybe both. Yes, we need to support suppliers when possible- when and if they ever go out of business from lack of support we will wish we had them back when several parts USED to be available are no longer around. TtT From: garywinblad at comcast.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Heater Control Valves To: "michael king" Cc: Rollright at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 7:40 AM Or what about supporting the Tiger vendors: http://www.reisentzrestorations.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: michael king To: Dave Munroe Cc: Rollright at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 22:53:20 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Heater Control Valves Dave thats the control switch.. not valave. It also not suitable for a MKIA/II as it has the early metal head as for valves.. thelatert MGC one is correct.. repros available from: http://www.kirks-auto.com/MGC/MGC_HeaterControlValve_LaterStyle.html On 18 August 2010 06:10, Dave Munroe wrote: > Jim: > > NOS one on eBay right now.... > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SUNBEAM-TIGER-ALPINE-NOS-HEATER-CONTROL-_W0QQc mdZViewItemQQitemZ370419506668QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories > > Dave > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 4:30 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Heater Control Valves > > > > Hello, >> >> After hearing from an old Tiger friend in need, I thought the list might >> shed some light on this subject. >> >> He need a Mk1A / Mk 11 heater control valve. The last one I bought was >> from Curt at Classic. As a courtesy, I called and they were out of stock. >> >> Rick at SS didn't have them the last time I tried, but when I called >> yesterday Richard said that they had just gotten them in. Good deal, data >> passed >> on to Paul Silva and the down-East baby seal-blubber purveyor Tod Brown. >> >> But, are they rebuildable? Has anybody taken one apart? As they are so >> rare, I've never thrown one away and I'll be most other Tiger owners still >> have them "saved". What is inside? Is it just rubber discs? Has anybody >> tried >> it? >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Jim Armstrong >> Mk 1A 382002083 >> LRXFE _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From Rollright at aol.com Wed Aug 18 08:00:33 2010 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 10:00:33 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Heater Control Valves Message-ID: Hello, As I mentioned in my note, I called Classic Sunbeam, with no luck and, Sunbeam Specialties who did indeed have them (at half the price I might add of the folks you recommended. BTW, there seems to be two repros out there. The one you bring to our attention has no machining step to reduce its right angle connection, where the one pictured under MGC has the step that connects up to our cars with no mods. see: _http://www.kirks-auto.com/MGC/MGC_HeaterControlValve_LaterStyle.html_ (http://www.kirks-auto.com/MGC/MGC_HeaterControlValve_LaterStyle.html) vs: _http://www.reisentzrestorations.com_ (http://www.reisentzrestorations.com) But the point really is, can they be rebuilt, like brake or clutch master cylinders? That was my question. Has anybody successfully rebuilt one? Jim Armstrong In a message dated 8/18/2010 8:40:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, garywinblad at comcast.net writes: http://www.reisentzrestorations.com/ From rande at thecia.net Wed Aug 18 08:24:46 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 10:24:46 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] radios Message-ID: <4c6bed2e.32c9.0@thecia.net> Hi, I posted something about this yesterday, but apparently it didn't make it to the group. The actual radio unit in the eBay pictures look correct for a 1A, the enclosure is from a older Tiger/Alpine, and the black trim plate seems out of place.In 20 years of looking at and photographing Tigers and Alpines,this is the first times I've seen a black trim plate used for a stock installation. Without being close enough to the part, my guess is maybe the enclosure was used for a different, non standard radio at some point and the tuner hole cutouts were modified. I believe Bendix made this radio, and versions of it were also OEM in the States for Volvo and Volkswagen during 1966-7 with essentially just the clear plastic tuner dial etched for the specific car make. The typical mounting for a Tiger 1A and Mark II radio of this period was a just a small trapezoidal faceplate, and no integral speaker enclosure. Obviously I cant include pictures on this user group, but Ive scanned some, if individuals need them. Having written this, I found a photo of a 66 1A that I believe the same owner has had since it was one year old. It shows the same enclosure as the one from eBay, but the photo was not taken close enough for me to ID the actual radio, and perhaps the selling dealer was getting rid of old stock. I also have a scan of the rare later radio, I believe from Motorola, thats marked by black tuner buttons, volume and manual tuning knobs. The outside knobs are flat and the tuner buttons are a more softer design. I actually have an AMFM Volkswagen version from 1968. My hunch is that the redesign was done to meet 1968 instrument panel protrusion requirements legislated by the US. And, again, this just a hunch, but maybe the first owner of this second 66 1A waited more than a year later to buy a Sunbeam radio, and the later one was the only one available. I write this because I have pictures of two separate original Mark IIs. and they both have the chrome button radio with the small trapezoidal bezel. This is a long answer to the basic question. The eBay Tiger radio itself looks correct for the 1A application, and this is afterall what the buyer should concentrate on. Getting the correct enclosure or small bezel could be fairly simple to locate. You could also ask the seller if maybe there's nothing wrong with the enclosure, but the black faceplate was added as overkill. RB From e.coiner at cox.net Wed Aug 18 08:32:46 2010 From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 7:32:46 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Heater Control Valves In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20100818103246.A1TWL.497329.imail@fed1rmwml44> There is a rubber domed "diaphragm" that seals the shat, There is a disc seal that seals against the bottom of the valve. Nobody I know makes those parts. Would love to know if they do. It is extremely tedious to undo the crimps in the casting so that they can be redone after reassembly. Sometimes you find that the conical metal seal surface at the bottom of the valve body is corroded and you would have to machine the surface down in the bottom of the hole. Now that the mk1A type valve are available as a reproduction, I will never take an original apart again. Erich ---- Rollright at aol.com wrote: > Hello, > > As I mentioned in my note, I called Classic Sunbeam, with no luck and, > Sunbeam Specialties who did indeed have them (at half the price I might add of > the folks you recommended. BTW, there seems to be two repros out there. The > one you bring to our attention has no machining step to reduce its right > angle connection, where the one pictured under MGC has the step that > connects up to our cars with no mods. > > see: _http://www.kirks-auto.com/MGC/MGC_HeaterControlValve_LaterStyle.html_ > (http://www.kirks-auto.com/MGC/MGC_HeaterControlValve_LaterStyle.html) > vs: _http://www.reisentzrestorations.com_ > (http://www.reisentzrestorations.com) > > But the point really is, can they be rebuilt, like brake or clutch master > cylinders? That was my question. Has anybody successfully rebuilt one? > > Jim Armstrong > > > > In a message dated 8/18/2010 8:40:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > garywinblad at comcast.net writes: > > http://www.reisentzrestorations.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner at cox.net From Rollright at aol.com Wed Aug 18 08:59:31 2010 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 10:59:31 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Heater Control Valves Message-ID: Hello Erich, That's the data I was looking for. As you rightly put it, if repros are available, the lack of rebuild parts, the "sealed systemness" and the tediousness of it all completely argue against it. Thanks for taking the time to write. Jim Armstrong In a message dated 8/18/2010 10:32:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, e.coiner at cox.net writes: There is a rubber domed "diaphragm" that seals the shat, There is a disc seal that seals against the bottom of the valve. Nobody I know makes those parts. Would love to know if they do. It is extremely tedious to undo the crimps in the casting so that they can be redone after reassembly. Sometimes you find that the conical metal seal surface at the bottom of the valve body is corroded and you would have to machine the surface down in the bottom of the hole. Now that the mk1A type valve are available as a reproduction, I will never take an original apart again. Erich ---- Rollright at aol.com wrote: > Hello, > > As I mentioned in my note, I called Classic Sunbeam, with no luck and, > Sunbeam Specialties who did indeed have them (at half the price I might add of > the folks you recommended. BTW, there seems to be two repros out there. The > one you bring to our attention has no machining step to reduce its right > angle connection, where the one pictured under MGC has the step that > connects up to our cars with no mods. > > see: _http://www.kirks-auto.com/MGC/MGC_HeaterControlValve_LaterStyle.html_ > (http://www.kirks-auto.com/MGC/MGC_HeaterControlValve_LaterStyle.html) > vs: _http://www.reisentzrestorations.com_ > (http://www.reisentzrestorations.com) > > But the point really is, can they be rebuilt, like brake or clutch master > cylinders? That was my question. Has anybody successfully rebuilt one? > > Jim Armstrong > > > > In a message dated 8/18/2010 8:40:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > garywinblad at comcast.net writes: > > http://www.reisentzrestorations.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner at cox.net From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Aug 18 09:07:54 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 11:07:54 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Heater Control Valves In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim I pulled one apart. The problem is the end cap that comes off is swaged on. I could not come up with a good way to re-attach that end. Some British heater valve have rebuild kits but none that I could research were anywhere near the size used in the Sunbeam heater valve. The other problem is the rubber parts used inside the heater valve, there are 2 rubber pieces; they deteriorate. This is also a problem with NOS parts; they could be 20, 30, 40 years old. I went to a British Auto guy in my area and he pulled an NOS valve out and he did a leak test, it leaked. I'm not sure if there is a date code on or with the heater valves. We would need someone with machine shop capabilities to come up with a way to build a new internal valve from Delran or other to eliminate the rubber parts, O-rings will probably be needed. We also need a way to seal and close the original parts to make it rebuildable. I did have a few ideas but no way to make and experiment with parts. It would be nice to have a kit with instructions on how to rebuild these heater valves but I don't think it would be feasible or cost effective. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 10:01 AM To: garywinblad at comcast.net Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Heater Control Valves Hello, As I mentioned in my note, I called Classic Sunbeam, with no luck and, Sunbeam Specialties who did indeed have them (at half the price I might add of the folks you recommended. BTW, there seems to be two repros out there. The one you bring to our attention has no machining step to reduce its right angle connection, where the one pictured under MGC has the step that connects up to our cars with no mods. see: _http://www.kirks-auto.com/MGC/MGC_HeaterControlValve_LaterStyle.html_ (http://www.kirks-auto.com/MGC/MGC_HeaterControlValve_LaterStyle.html) vs: _http://www.reisentzrestorations.com_ (http://www.reisentzrestorations.com) But the point really is, can they be rebuilt, like brake or clutch master cylinders? That was my question. Has anybody successfully rebuilt one? Jim Armstrong In a message dated 8/18/2010 8:40:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, garywinblad at comcast.net writes: http://www.reisentzrestorations.com/ _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3068 - Release Date: 08/18/10 06:35:00 From djoh797014 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 18 09:34:18 2010 From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Heater Control Valves In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <387551.48639.qm@web111602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> At the Selby Spring Fling, there was an owner who rebuild his MK IA valve and said it was easy. He would charge $10 to rebuild any sent to him. Lost his name. But what does he know?. Just another Hoosier hick...like me. Dave ________________________________ From: "Rollright at aol.com" To: e.coiner at cox.net Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Sent: Wed, August 18, 2010 10:59:31 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Heater Control Valves Hello Erich, That's the data I was looking for. As you rightly put it, if repros are available, the lack of rebuild parts, the "sealed systemness" and the tediousness of it all completely argue against it. Thanks for taking the time to write. Jim Armstrong In a message dated 8/18/2010 10:32:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, e.coiner at cox.net writes: There is a rubber domed "diaphragm" that seals the shat, There is a disc seal that seals against the bottom of the valve. Nobody I know makes those parts. Would love to know if they do. It is extremely tedious to undo the crimps in the casting so that they can be redone after reassembly. Sometimes you find that the conical metal seal surface at the bottom of the valve body is corroded and you would have to machine the surface down in the bottom of the hole. Now that the mk1A type valve are available as a reproduction, I will never take an original apart again. Erich ---- Rollright at aol.com wrote: > Hello, > > As I mentioned in my note, I called Classic Sunbeam, with no luck and, > Sunbeam Specialties who did indeed have them (at half the price I might add of > the folks you recommended. BTW, there seems to be two repros out there. The > one you bring to our attention has no machining step to reduce its right > angle connection, where the one pictured under MGC has the step that > connects up to our cars with no mods. > > see: _http://www.kirks-auto.com/MGC/MGC_HeaterControlValve_LaterStyle.html_ > (http://www.kirks-auto.com/MGC/MGC_HeaterControlValve_LaterStyle.html) > vs: _http://www.reisentzrestorations.com_ > (http://www.reisentzrestorations.com) > > But the point really is, can they be rebuilt, like brake or clutch master > cylinders? That was my question. Has anybody successfully rebuilt one? > > Jim Armstrong > > > > In a message dated 8/18/2010 8:40:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > garywinblad at comcast.net writes: > > http://www.reisentzrestorations.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner at cox.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/djoh797014 at yahoo.com From rootes1 at earthlink.net Wed Aug 18 09:59:53 2010 From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:59:53 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] ASSISTANCE IN IOWA NEEDED Message-ID: Terry Farren in Danville, IA needs a pair of knowledgeable eyes to assist in determining the extent of damage repair carried out on a Tiger he is trying to sell. If you, or someone you know can help, give him a shout. farrentd at danvilletelco.net Norm From Rollright at aol.com Wed Aug 18 10:08:06 2010 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 12:08:06 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Heater Control Valves Message-ID: Thanks Excellent reply. There it is, in a nutshell. No real way to re-build them. Jim Armstrong In a message dated 8/18/2010 11:08:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rfraser at bluefrog.com writes: Jim I pulled one apart. The problem is the end cap that comes off is swaged on. I could not come up with a good way to re-attach that end. Some British heater valve have rebuild kits but none that I could research were anywhere near the size used in the Sunbeam heater valve. The other problem is the rubber parts used inside the heater valve, there are 2 rubber pieces; they deteriorate. This is also a problem with NOS parts; they could be 20, 30, 40 years old. I went to a British Auto guy in my area and he pulled an NOS valve out and he did a leak test, it leaked. I'm not sure if there is a date code on or with the heater valves. We would need someone with machine shop capabilities to come up with a way to build a new internal valve from Delran or other to eliminate the rubber parts, O-rings will probably be needed. We also need a way to seal and close the original parts to make it rebuildable. I did have a few ideas but no way to make and experiment with parts. It would be nice to have a kit with instructions on how to rebuild these heater valves but I don't think it would be feasible or cost effective. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 10:01 AM To: garywinblad at comcast.net Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Heater Control Valves Hello, As I mentioned in my note, I called Classic Sunbeam, with no luck and, Sunbeam Specialties who did indeed have them (at half the price I might add of the folks you recommended. BTW, there seems to be two repros out there. The one you bring to our attention has no machining step to reduce its right angle connection, where the one pictured under MGC has the step that connects up to our cars with no mods. see: _http://www.kirks-auto.com/MGC/MGC_HeaterControlValve_LaterStyle.html_ (http://www.kirks-auto.com/MGC/MGC_HeaterControlValve_LaterStyle.html) vs: _http://www.reisentzrestorations.com_ (http://www.reisentzrestorations.com) But the point really is, can they be rebuilt, like brake or clutch master cylinders? That was my question. Has anybody successfully rebuilt one? Jim Armstrong In a message dated 8/18/2010 8:40:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, garywinblad at comcast.net writes: http://www.reisentzrestorations.com/ _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3068 - Release Date: 08/18/10 06:35:00 From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Aug 18 10:18:46 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 12:18:46 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Heater Control Valves Message-ID: <16b964.fbb37fe.399d61e6@aol.com> That's a deal if he can really do it. Mine had metal parts corroded and unusable. I would have charged 10 bucks just to take the thing apart. Mark L From dsp781 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 18 15:41:56 2010 From: dsp781 at hotmail.com (Dexter Polistock) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 17:41:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Need Tiger Supplier E-Mail Address Message-ID: To All, Could someone please post Martha Wheat's (Pro Prep Interiors) e-mail address. It is hard to understand on her voicemail. Thanks - - Dexter 00153LRXFE From laurin212 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 18 17:04:53 2010 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:04:53 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Need Tiger Supplier E-Mail Address References: Message-ID: <789603451CB4441992C6B2FF88BE701F@PETERHOME> i used her for an interior, dont recall she had an email. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dexter Polistock" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 5:41 PM Subject: [Tigers] Need Tiger Supplier E-Mail Address > To All, > > Could someone please post Martha Wheat's (Pro Prep Interiors) e-mail > address. > It is hard to understand on her voicemail. > > Thanks - - Dexter 00153LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/laurin212 at yahoo.com From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Aug 18 17:19:07 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 09:19:07 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: radios In-Reply-To: References: <4c6bed2e.32c9.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: michael king Date: 19 August 2010 09:18 Subject: Re: [Tigers] radios To: rande at thecia.net http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/index.php?categoryid=82&p2_articleid=13 This is a link to images of all the Alpine/Tiger radios On 19 August 2010 00:24, rande wrote: > Hi, > I posted something about this yesterday, but apparently it didn't make it > to > the group. > > The actual radio unit in the eBay pictures look correct for a 1A, the > enclosure > is from a older Tiger/Alpine, and the black trim plate seems out of > place.In > 20 years of looking at and photographing Tigers and Alpines,this is the > first > times I've seen a black trim plate used for a stock installation. Without > being > close enough to the part, my guess is maybe the enclosure was used for a > different, > non standard radio at some point and the tuner hole cutouts were modified. > I > believe Bendix made this radio, and versions of it were also OEM in the > States > for Volvo and Volkswagen during 1966-7 with essentially just the clear > plastic > tuner dial etched for the specific car make. > > The typical mounting for a Tiger 1A and Mark II radio of this period was a > just > a small trapezoidal faceplate, and no integral speaker enclosure. Obviously > I can t include pictures on this user group, but I ve scanned some, if > individuals > need them. Having written this, I found a photo of a 66 1A that I believe > the > same owner has had since it was one year old. It shows the same enclosure > as > the one from eBay, but the photo was not taken close enough for me to ID > the > actual radio, and perhaps the selling dealer was getting rid of old stock. > > I also have a scan of the rare later radio, I believe from Motorola, that s > marked by black tuner buttons, volume and manual tuning knobs. The outside > knobs > are flat and the tuner buttons are a more softer design. I actually have an > AMFM Volkswagen version from 1968. My hunch is that the redesign was done > to > meet 1968 instrument panel protrusion requirements legislated by the US. > And, again, this just a hunch, but maybe the first owner of this second 66 > 1A waited more than a year later to buy a Sunbeam radio, and the later one > was > the only one available. I write this because I have pictures of two > separate > original Mark II s. and they both have the chrome button radio with the > small > trapezoidal bezel. > > This is a long answer to the basic question. The eBay Tiger radio itself > looks > correct for the 1A application, and this is afterall what the buyer should > concentrate > on. Getting the correct enclosure or small bezel could be fairly simple to > locate. > You could also ask the seller if maybe there's nothing wrong with the > enclosure, > but the black faceplate was added as overkill. > > RB > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King -- Regards Michael King From denismercier at telvic.net Wed Aug 18 17:20:29 2010 From: denismercier at telvic.net (denis mercier) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:20:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Need Tiger Supplier E-Mail Address References: Message-ID: <41CE973CEE104F3EB8571095AAF4A753@D7F0WHF1> Dexter. Last time i speak with Martha it was at 775-833-2424 or proprep3716 at sbcglobal.net Denis. B382000926LRXFE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dexter Polistock" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 5:41 PM Subject: [Tigers] Need Tiger Supplier E-Mail Address > To All, > > Could someone please post Martha Wheat's (Pro Prep Interiors) e-mail > address. > It is hard to understand on her voicemail. > > Thanks - - Dexter 00153LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/denismercier at telvic.net From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Aug 18 18:48:24 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 10:48:24 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Tom Sakai video monterey 2010 Message-ID: Tom comes down through the corkscrew at 15 seconds. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0eWFSdQ3AI -- Regards Michael King From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 18 19:01:44 2010 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 18:01:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Porsche Wheels on a Tiger? Message-ID: <735418.35302.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220656367696&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123 OK... has anyone ever tried this type of Porsche wheel on a Tiger? Might be a nice option if it really fits... Regards, Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Aug 18 19:29:03 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:29:03 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Porsche Wheels on a Tiger? In-Reply-To: <735418.35302.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <735418.35302.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The 924 wheels use the same stud pattern and the offsets work well too.. one fo the alpine guys who auto crosses has been using them for a few years... if you feel the style works then they are a different opition from the panasports, minilites superlites etc... On 19 August 2010 11:01, Bill Waite wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220656367696&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123 > > > OK... has anyone ever tried this type of Porsche wheel on a Tiger? > > Might be a nice option if it really fits... > > Regards, > > Bill Waite > Grand Rapids, MI > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From mcdangerous at verizon.net Wed Aug 18 19:33:36 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:33:36 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Porsche Wheels on a Tiger? In-Reply-To: <735418.35302.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have heard of the 924 wheel on the Tiger. I don't believe the offsets are correct, but they do fit...or so I've been told. M On 8/18/10 9:01 PM, "Bill Waite" wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220656367696&vie > witem=&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123 > > > OK... has anyone ever tried this type of Porsche wheel on a Tiger? > > Might be a nice option if it really fits... > > Regards, > > Bill Waite > Grand Rapids, MI > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Aug 18 19:40:25 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:40:25 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Porsche Wheels on a Tiger? Message-ID: <18e427.2d783e2f.399de589@aol.com> I like those. Will be curious to know if they would fit a Tiger. Not sure why he doesn't want to ship them. I shipped a set of 4 with tires (no air) to a guy 1,500 miles away. M In a message dated 8/18/2010 9:26:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fordlandia at sbcglobal.net writes: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220656367696&v iewitem=&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123 OK... has anyone ever tried this type of Porsche wheel on a Tiger? Might be a nice option if it really fits... Regards, Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Wed Aug 18 19:53:26 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:53:26 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Porsche Wheels on a Tiger? In-Reply-To: <735418.35302.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <735418.35302.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Two questions arise: what's the size of the center hole, and what's the backspace. From the picture, that looks like quite a positive offset. Like if that's a 6" rim the backspace looks to be pretty close to 5 or 5 1/2". (the stock 13 x 4.5" Tiger / Alpine rims have a backspace of @ 4".) Tom On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Bill Waite wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220656367696&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123 > > > OK... has anyone ever tried this type of Porsche wheel on a Tiger? > > Might be a nice option if it really fits... > > Regards, > > Bill Waite > Grand Rapids, MI > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From alpdavegre at msn.com Wed Aug 18 21:29:40 2010 From: alpdavegre at msn.com (DAVID GREEN) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:29:40 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] LAT 9 Center Cap Project Underway Message-ID: Hello All, The LAT 9 center cap project is now underway. I have a 50 unit order to my machinist. If you want some caps you need to contact me ASAP and I can up the order. Price is $25 per cap plus shipping. I will get 2 samples shortly before all the caps will be made. Dave Green alpdavegre at msn.com From dsp781 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 18 21:34:23 2010 From: dsp781 at hotmail.com (Dexter Polistock) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 23:34:23 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Need Tiger Supplier E-Mail Address In-Reply-To: <41CE973CEE104F3EB8571095AAF4A753@D7F0WHF1> References: , <41CE973CEE104F3EB8571095AAF4A753@D7F0WHF1> Message-ID: Thanks so much; I could understand that "sbc". Hope see everyone at the United this fall in Maine - - Dexter > From: denismercier at telvic.net > To: dsp781 at hotmail.com; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Need Tiger Supplier E-Mail Address > Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:20:29 -0400 > > Dexter. > Last time i speak with Martha it was at 775-833-2424 or > proprep3716 at sbcglobal.net > Denis. > B382000926LRXFE > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dexter Polistock" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 5:41 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Need Tiger Supplier E-Mail Address > > > > To All, > > > > Could someone please post Martha Wheat's (Pro Prep Interiors) e-mail > > address. > > It is hard to understand on her voicemail. > > > > Thanks - - Dexter 00153LRXFE > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/denismercier at telvic.net From garywinblad at comcast.net Wed Aug 18 21:35:28 2010 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 03:35:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Porsche Wheels on a Tiger? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1081688569.49942.1282188928093.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I have them on my Tiger. The offset (whatever it is) is pretty near perfect, much better than the LAT-70. They are 14x6 BTW. There are two problems with fitment. 1. There is a "ridge" inside the bore that is too small id for the Tiger front hubs. The PO of my car had installed about a 1/4in spacer behind the wheel to get by this problem. I took a rat-tail file and a couple beers and removed the ridge until they fit. 2. The Porsche uses a semi-spherical lug nut. The PO sort of countersunk the hole to take the Tiger lug nut. I think the hole in the wheel is too large diameter too. It works but is less than ideal. The better method is to have a custom wheel place put in a steel insert, Cullen Bennett in Phoenix did this. He also had the wheels polished, wow, they look really good like that! Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Parker To: Bill Waite Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger Sent: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 01:53:26 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Porsche Wheels on a Tiger? Two questions arise: what's the size of the center hole, and what's the backspace. From the picture, that looks like quite a positive offset. Like if that's a 6" rim the backspace looks to be pretty close to 5 or 5 1/2". (the stock 13 x 4.5" Tiger / Alpine rims have a backspace of @ 4".) Tom On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Bill Waite wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220656367696&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123 > > > OK... has anyone ever tried this type of Porsche wheel on a Tiger? > > Might be a nice option if it really fits... > > Regards, > > Bill Waite > Grand Rapids, MI From maliburevue at yahoo.com Wed Aug 18 21:38:26 2010 From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 20:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Porsche Wheels on a Tiger? In-Reply-To: <735418.35302.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <628548.14751.qm@web33208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I sold a set of these wheels to Michael Riecken in Denver several years ago. They will fit the Tiger bolt pattern, but the front wheels need about 1/4" chamfer on the inside lip of the center hole to clear the radius of the front hub on the Tiger. The rear wheels bolt right up. From alpdavegre at msn.com Wed Aug 18 21:54:06 2010 From: alpdavegre at msn.com (DAVID GREEN) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:54:06 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Proposed Panasport Tigers head center cap project Message-ID: Hi All, If you read my pervious posts about the LAT 9 center cap project I have a couple of Tiger owners ask about a Panasport center cap project. I have talked to my machinist and he is willing to do this project. If there is enogh interest I will need a sample Panasport cap to show Tim my machinist. Contact me and I will run with it. Cost could be $30-35 each but I need to see pictures of the cap as the LAT 9's are flat with no coning on the inside for clearance on front grease cap. Dave Green alpdavegre at msn.com From alpdavegre at msn.com Wed Aug 18 21:55:38 2010 From: alpdavegre at msn.com (DAVID GREEN) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:55:38 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] James Linder Message-ID: Will James Linder contact me off list. Thanks Dave Green alpdavegre at msn.com From maliburevue at yahoo.com Thu Aug 19 01:20:56 2010 From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 00:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Porsche Wheels on a Tiger? Message-ID: <854305.15651.qm@web33201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have 2 of these Porsche wheels and can probably get 2 more from another Tiger buddy. You can have them for free + shipping from Los Angeles. They could stand to be cleaned and/or polished. Let me know. Gary From mcdangerous at verizon.net Thu Aug 19 04:29:45 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 06:29:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Porsche Wheels on a Tiger? In-Reply-To: <1081688569.49942.1282188928093.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On other models, Porsche uses different offsets and widths for front and rear. I'm not sure about the 924, which was built in collaboration with Audi, if I remember correctly. If they used staggered wheels on the 924 too, are the fronts or rears a better fit? ...or, do they just fit directly as a set? Thanks. M On 8/18/10 11:35 PM, "garywinblad at comcast.net" wrote: > I have them on my Tiger. The offset (whatever it is) is pretty near > perfect, much better than the LAT-70. They are 14x6 BTW. > There are two problems with fitment. > 1. There is a "ridge" inside the bore that is too small id for the Tiger > front hubs. The PO of my car had installed about a 1/4in spacer > behind the wheel to get by this problem. I took a rat-tail file and a > couple beers and removed the ridge until they fit. > 2. The Porsche uses a semi-spherical lug nut. The PO sort of > countersunk the hole to take the Tiger lug nut. I think the hole in > the wheel is too large diameter too. It works but is less than ideal. > The better method is to have a custom wheel place put in a steel > insert, Cullen Bennett in Phoenix did this. He also had the wheels > polished, wow, they look really good like that! > > Gary > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Parker > To: Bill Waite > Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger > Sent: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 01:53:26 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Porsche Wheels on a Tiger? > > Two questions arise: what's the size of the center hole, and what's the > backspace. From the picture, that looks like quite a positive offset. Like > if that's a 6" rim the backspace looks to be pretty close to 5 or 5 1/2". > (the stock 13 x 4.5" Tiger / Alpine rims have a backspace of @ 4".) > > Tom > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Bill Waite wrote: > >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220656367696&vi >> ewitem=&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123 >> >> >> OK... has anyone ever tried this type of Porsche wheel on a Tiger? >> >> Might be a nice option if it really fits... >> >> Regards, >> >> Bill Waite >> Grand Rapids, MI > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net From garywinblad at comcast.net Thu Aug 19 07:13:44 2010 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:13:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Porsche Wheels on a Tiger? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2027402267.58378.1282223624013.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I thought it was VW, but yes, they are the same front and rear on the 924. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Would U. Believe To: garywinblad at comcast.net, Tom Parker Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger Sent: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 10:29:45 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Porsche Wheels on a Tiger? On other models, Porsche uses different offsets and widths for front and rear. I'm not sure about the 924, which was built in collaboration with Audi, if I remember correctly. If they used staggered wheels on the 924 too, are the fronts or rears a better fit? ...or, do they just fit directly as a set? Thanks. M On 8/18/10 11:35 PM, "garywinblad at comcast.net" wrote: > I have them on my Tiger. The offset (whatever it is) is pretty near > perfect, much better than the LAT-70. They are 14x6 BTW. > There are two problems with fitment. > 1. There is a "ridge" inside the bore that is too small id for the Tiger > front hubs. The PO of my car had installed about a 1/4in spacer > behind the wheel to get by this problem. I took a rat-tail file and a > couple beers and removed the ridge until they fit. > 2. The Porsche uses a semi-spherical lug nut. The PO sort of > countersunk the hole to take the Tiger lug nut. I think the hole in > the wheel is too large diameter too. It works but is less than ideal. > The better method is to have a custom wheel place put in a steel > insert, Cullen Bennett in Phoenix did this. He also had the wheels > polished, wow, they look really good like that! > > Gary > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Parker > To: Bill Waite > Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger > Sent: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 01:53:26 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Porsche Wheels on a Tiger? > > Two questions arise: what's the size of the center hole, and what's the > backspace. From the picture, that looks like quite a positive offset. Like > if that's a 6" rim the backspace looks to be pretty close to 5 or 5 1/2". > (the stock 13 x 4.5" Tiger / Alpine rims have a backspace of @ 4".) > > Tom > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Bill Waite wrote: > >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220656367696&vi >> ewitem=&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123 >> >> >> OK... has anyone ever tried this type of Porsche wheel on a Tiger? >> >> Might be a nice option if it really fits... >> >> Regards, >> >> Bill Waite >> Grand Rapids, MI From s_ralsten at yahoo.com Thu Aug 19 09:05:42 2010 From: s_ralsten at yahoo.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 08:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Proposed Panasport Tigers head center cap project In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <290392.44506.qm@web120103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Panasport center caps are not that difficult to find. I lost one and called Michelle at 800 552 2532. Sent her pictures of the type cap I needed and she found them. Much cheaper than $35 each also. Steve B9473720 --- On Wed, 8/18/10, DAVID GREEN wrote: From: DAVID GREEN Subject: [Tigers] Proposed Panasport Tigers head center cap project To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 8:54 PM Hi All, If you read my pervious posts about the LAT 9 center cap project I have a couple of Tiger owners ask about a Panasport center cap project. I have talked to my machinist and he is willing to do this project. If there is enogh interest I will need a sample Panasport cap to show Tim my machinist. Contact me and I will run with it. Cost could be $30-35 each but I need to see pictures of the cap as the LAT 9's are flat with no coning on the inside for clearance on front grease cap. Dave Green alpdavegre at msn.com From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 19 09:45:53 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 08:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Proposed Panasport Tigers head center cap project In-Reply-To: <290392.44506.qm@web120103.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <982799.5210.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Steve- I think the idea is to have the Tiger head, like on the LAT 9 center of the original wheel, made for the Panasport and perhaps Minilites. IMO, just the Tiger head needs made , with a couple of small tapped holes in the back and then an owner could attach them to their center caps BUT I don't own nor have I paid enough attention to the Panasport center caps to know if even this idea would work BUT it seems better than replacing the complete center cap and much cheaper, IMO that is. TtT From s_ralsten at yahoo.com Thu Aug 19 11:43:54 2010 From: s_ralsten at yahoo.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 10:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Proposed Panasport Tigers head center cap project In-Reply-To: <982799.5210.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <101104.17914.qm@web120116.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Guess I didn't understand the intent. --- On Thu, 8/19/10, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: Re: [Tigers] Proposed Panasport Tigers head center cap project To: tigers at autox.team.net, "DAVID GREEN" , "Steve Ralsten" Date: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 8:45 AM Steve- I think the idea is to have the Tiger head, like on the LAT 9 center of the original wheel, made for the Panasport and perhaps Minilites. IMO, just the Tiger head needs made , with a couple of small tapped holes in the back and then an owner could attach them to their center caps BUT I don't own nor have I paid enough attention to the Panasport center caps to know if even this idea would work BUT it seems better than replacing the complete center cap and much cheaper, IMO that is. TtT From slaifman at socal.rr.com Thu Aug 19 12:30:14 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:30:14 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Belated References Message-ID: <4C6D7836.80904@socal.rr.com> Although I posted some information on "3 Point Seat Belts", I found additional information on the "TigersUnited.com" website. Here are the "links": Larry Paulick and Steve Laifman on "Retractable and Manual 3 point seat belts": http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/PaulickLaifmanBelts/rt-PaulickLaifmanBelts1.asp Anthony Rhodes on "Repairing Jaeger and Smiths Speedometers": http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/Rhoades-Speedo/rt-Rhoades-Speedo2.asp Hey, some of these articles are a "few" years old, but the Tiger is even older. Steve -- Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Aug 19 17:37:48 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 09:37:48 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Porsche Wheels on a Tiger? In-Reply-To: <2027402267.58378.1282223624013.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <2027402267.58378.1282223624013.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On 19 August 2010 23:13, wrote: > I thought it was VW, but yes, they are the same front and rear on the > 924. > > Gary Gary, The car was originaly developed for audi to be their sports car, they pulled the plug on the project and then it bacme the porsche/Volkswagon collaboration.. they are basically powered by a VW van engine.. they didnt get a "porsche" engine till the 944. -- Regards Michael King From edstiger at email.toast.net Thu Aug 19 18:20:00 2010 From: edstiger at email.toast.net (Ed Esslinger) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:20:00 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Wanted to share TE?AE Message-ID: Ted Casey - Has asked me to place a wanted- to- share -a -room request at the TE/AE United. He has no e-mail. If you are interested please phone him at. 717-354-9276 thanks Ed From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Thu Aug 19 18:21:29 2010 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:21:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Porsche Wheels on a Tiger? In-Reply-To: References: <2027402267.58378.1282223624013.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: and what a car it became! the 944 is fantastic. almost as fantastic as the 914/6..... On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 7:37 PM, michael king wrote: > On 19 August 2010 23:13, wrote: > > > I thought it was VW, but yes, they are the same front and rear on the > > 924. > > > > Gary > > > Gary, > > The car was originaly developed for audi to be their sports car, they > pulled > the plug on the project and then it bacme the porsche/Volkswagon > collaboration.. they are basically powered by a VW van engine.. they didnt > get a "porsche" engine till the 944. > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com From djoh797014 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 19 18:58:30 2010 From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 17:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Proposed Panasport Tigers head center cap project In-Reply-To: <982799.5210.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <982799.5210.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <436522.51253.qm@web111613.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> My 5th LAT 9 had its head cut off too. I went to a fellow Tiger owner for help. I had an extra head or two. One went to Tiger Tom and I believe is the source of the repro heads. One went to a lat in Canada who said he would reproduce it. I've been waiting 10 years for work. So much for trusting new owners. He heated the wheel to about 700 degress to clean it. The welded the aluminum head to the LAT 9. Once welded on he machined the joint so that you can't see the weld seam You can tell it was welded on only if you turn the whell over and you see the weld marks. He also filled any deep scratches and tool marks and then remachines the faces. Great friend to have. Cost. A free meal at the the next Spring Fling. Dave ________________________________ From: Tony Somebody To: tigers at autox.team.net; DAVID GREEN ; Steve Ralsten Sent: Thu, August 19, 2010 11:45:53 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Proposed Panasport Tigers head center cap project Steve- I think the idea is to have the Tiger head, like on the LAT 9 center of the original wheel, made for the Panasport and perhaps Minilites. IMO, just the Tiger head needs made , with a couple of small tapped holes in the back and then an owner could attach them to their center caps BUT I don't own nor have I paid enough attention to the Panasport center caps to know if even this idea would work BUT it seems better than replacing the complete center cap and much cheaper, IMO that is. TtT _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/djoh797014 at yahoo.com From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Thu Aug 19 19:08:52 2010 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] Porsche Wheels on a Tiger? Message-ID: Looks to me that the Porsche wheel would set to far in compared to a wheel for a Tiger. The center of the tread would move in 3-4 inches. Any one tried this?? In a message dated 8/19/2010 6:04:46 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, owain.lloyd at gmail.com writes: and what a car it became! the 944 is fantastic. almost as fantastic as the 914/6..... On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 7:37 PM, michael king wrote: > On 19 August 2010 23:13, wrote: > > > I thought it was VW, but yes, they are the same front and rear on the > > 924. > > > > Gary > > > Gary, > > The car was originaly developed for audi to be their sports car, they > pulled > the plug on the project and then it bacme the porsche/Volkswagon > collaboration.. they are basically powered by a VW van engine.. they didnt > get a "porsche" engine till the 944. > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/aaaglasss at aol.com From sganz at pacbell.net Thu Aug 19 21:05:23 2010 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Shifter Ring Message-ID: <842713.35412.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Is the round shifter ring on the Tiger the same as the Cobra? From e.coiner at cox.net Thu Aug 19 21:47:27 2010 From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:47:27 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Panel Switch Question In-Reply-To: <842713.35412.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100819234727.R5VDC.521200.imail@fed1rmwml38> What is the correct switch for the Instrument panel lights on a late Mk1a Tiger? I am getting some conflicting info. My car has a two 3 position switch with a built in resistor so I have two light levels, dim and flicker. Smitty maintains that it should be a very small two position switch. What does your car use? From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Thu Aug 19 23:18:57 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 01:18:57 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Panel Switch Question In-Reply-To: <20100819234727.R5VDC.521200.imail@fed1rmwml38> References: <842713.35412.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20100819234727.R5VDC.521200.imail@fed1rmwml38> Message-ID: Can't speak to the Mark 1A; my Mark 2 has a double pole 3 position switch. There may be a built in resistor. If so it isn't obvious and I didn't put a meter on it. Tom ' 67 Mark 2 On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:47 PM, wrote: > What is the correct switch for the Instrument panel lights on a late Mk1a > Tiger? > > I am getting some conflicting info. > > My car has a two 3 position switch with a built in resistor so I have two > light levels, dim and flicker. > > Smitty maintains that it should be a very small two position switch. > > What does your car use? > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 20 00:11:14 2010 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 23:11:14 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Panel Switch Question In-Reply-To: <20100819234727.R5VDC.521200.imail@fed1rmwml38> References: <842713.35412.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20100819234727.R5VDC.521200.imail@fed1rmwml38> Message-ID: <08F9C0A4A6484E5AAA377AC024AB2774@ROSS> All Sunbeams from the Series 2 Alpine to the Mark II Tiger used an on/off 2-position switch for the instrument lights. I do not know about the Series 1 because I never owned one. However, I have all the others. Anything else is incorrect but perhaps useful if you like dim and dimmer. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse -----Original Message----- Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Panel Switch Question What is the correct switch for the Instrument panel lights on a late Mk1a Tiger? I am getting some conflicting info. My car has a two 3 position switch with a built in resistor so I have two light levels, dim and flicker. Smitty maintains that it should be a very small two position switch. What does your car use? From marcsmall at comcast.net Fri Aug 20 01:09:48 2010 From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 03:09:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Panel Switch Question In-Reply-To: <08F9C0A4A6484E5AAA377AC024AB2774@ROSS> References: <842713.35412.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20100819234727.R5VDC.521200.imail@fed1rmwml38> <08F9C0A4A6484E5AAA377AC024AB2774@ROSS> Message-ID: <20100820070909.68D4D187654@autox.team.net> At 02:11 AM 8/20/2010, Ross wrote: >All Sunbeams from the Series 2 Alpine to the Mark II Tiger used an on/off >2-position switch for the instrument lights. I do not know about the Series >1 because I never owned one. However, I have all the others. > >Anything else is incorrect but perhaps useful if you like dim and dimmer. I concur. So does the parts manual. Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From arado7 at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 20 04:12:05 2010 From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 03:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Porsche Wheels on a Tiger? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <953825.36831.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Fri, 8/20/10, AAAGLASSS at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/19/2010 6:04:46 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, owain.lloyd at gmail.com writes: and what a car it became! the 944 is fantastic. almost as fantastic as the 914/6..... If you want a fantastic car. Try the SRT6 Crossfire roadster. A two seater with 330 hp. I got lucky and found one to buy at $25K. Gary B9472283 From awtiger at cox.net Fri Aug 20 05:14:19 2010 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 06:14:19 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Shifter Ring In-Reply-To: <842713.35412.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <842713.35412.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I assume you are talking about the chrome shifter boot ring, correct? I was always under the impression that it was the same ring as came on a 4-speed Falcon. Maybe someone here will either correct me or concur. Andy Walker B382001600LRXFE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Ganz" To: Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 10:05 PM Subject: [Tigers] Shifter Ring > Is the round shifter ring on the Tiger the same as the Cobra? > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger at cox.net From rande at thecia.net Fri Aug 20 05:45:50 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 07:45:50 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] shifter ring Message-ID: <4c6e6aee.3e21.0@thecia.net> 'Is the round shifter ring on the Tiger the same as the Cobra?' I believe the ring is the same, and it's also used on the 1964-1965 Falcons with four-speeds. The parts book(Jan. 1968) for the Tiger shows the chrome ring superceding to one with a black vinyl covering, and a handful of Tigers still have this one, but some folks think the black vinyl is just a protective coat meant to keep it from being scratched while it's being installed. Some owners have left the coating on, and are lucky that it's stayed on all these years The Jan. 1965 cataloque shows just the chrome one, and the two used ones I have are also chrome. Others will have to tell you when they think the supercession occured. RB From Rollright at aol.com Fri Aug 20 07:01:23 2010 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 09:01:23 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 419 Message-ID: <22ef5.3ee93b25.399fd6a3@aol.com> Hello, My car has a three position switch which has been with it all the 34 years I've owned it Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE What is the correct switch for the Instrument panel lights on a late Mk1a Tiger? I am getting some conflicting info. My car has a two 3 position switch with a built in resistor so I have two light levels, dim and flicker. Smitty maintains that it should be a very small two position switch. What does your car use? *************************** From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Fri Aug 20 07:30:19 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 09:30:19 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Panel Switch Question In-Reply-To: <08F9C0A4A6484E5AAA377AC024AB2774@ROSS> References: <842713.35412.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20100819234727.R5VDC.521200.imail@fed1rmwml38> <08F9C0A4A6484E5AAA377AC024AB2774@ROSS> Message-ID: Maybe Mine isn't an original part; I've owned the car for only 34 of its 43 years. Until recently I wouldn't have known the difference, and I'm pretty sure the prior owner(s) didn't care judging by the car's condition when I found it. That said, the Instrument panel light switch on my Mark 2 looks like a single pole version of the headlight switch. That is, it's physically the same size but the top second connector isn't there. Two red wires connect at the top, one red / white wire connects at the bottom, the center point is unused. The switch has three positions. Rick shows part number ES-60 for the Mark 5 Panel switch. The picture is as Smitty describes, a smaller switch (No number listed for the Tiger...). He shows ES-50 for the Lights switch. The panel switch I have looks to be physically the same size as the ES-50 switch, but is missing the second connector at the top. So, first I suspect it doesn't matter, second I'd guess the bigger switch was maybe a GT part, or what Rootes had on the shelf at the time. Tom ' 67 Mark 2 being reassembled in the garage... On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 2:11 AM, Ross wrote: > All Sunbeams from the Series 2 Alpine to the Mark II Tiger used an on/off > 2-position switch for the instrument lights. I do not know about the Series > 1 because I never owned one. However, I have all the others. > > Anything else is incorrect but perhaps useful if you like dim and dimmer. > > Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse > > -----Original Message----- > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Panel Switch Question > > What is the correct switch for the Instrument panel lights on a late Mk1a > Tiger? > > I am getting some conflicting info. > > My car has a two 3 position switch with a built in resistor so I have two > light levels, dim and flicker. > > Smitty maintains that it should be a very small two position switch. > > What does your car use? > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From rfraser at bluefrog.com Fri Aug 20 07:41:44 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 09:41:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Shifter Ring In-Reply-To: <842713.35412.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sandy I believe they are the same. Chrome Ring- Finisher C2AZ-7262-A Ford part number can be looked up in Pub 6601131, Rootes Parts List, online at TigersUnited. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 11:05 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Shifter Ring Is the round shifter ring on the Tiger the same as the Cobra? _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net From rfraser at bluefrog.com Fri Aug 20 08:14:42 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:14:42 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 419 In-Reply-To: <22ef5.3ee93b25.399fd6a3@aol.com> Message-ID: My Mk IA has a 3 position switch. The dash lights are barely visible with 12V applied; a dim position might as well be off. My Alpine parts list shows 3 panel switches - Lucas #s 31947A, 31946A, 34544 My 260 & 289 parts list show 1 switch - Lucas # 34943 The 31946 switch is also listed for the light switch so it is a 3 position switch; as for the others I don't know if they are 2 or 3 position switches. I have a couple Lucas 2 position switches - # 31828 and 31828D; I don't see these numbers listed in the Parts Lists. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 9:01 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 4, Issue 419 Hello, My car has a three position switch which has been with it all the 34 years I've owned it Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE What is the correct switch for the Instrument panel lights on a late Mk1a Tiger? I am getting some conflicting info. My car has a two 3 position switch with a built in resistor so I have two light levels, dim and flicker. Smitty maintains that it should be a very small two position switch. What does your car use? From wseay at embarqmail.com Fri Aug 20 08:35:52 2010 From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:35:52 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Panel Switch Question In-Reply-To: <20100819234727.R5VDC.521200.imail@fed1rmwml38> References: <842713.35412.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20100819234727.R5VDC.521200.imail@fed1rmwml38> Message-ID: <001801cb4074$fda95c70$f8fc1550$@com> All the switches on my 1A are 3-position switches. The PANEL switch (and only the PANEL switch) is unique in that it has a built-in resistor to dim the panel lights. Switch positions for the PANEL switch are OFF, DIM, ON. The other switches are ordinary 3-position switches. BLOWER: OFF, LOW, HIGH; WIPER: OFF, SLOWER, SLOW; LIGHTS: OFF, PARK, ON. Yours should be the same. Will Seay B382001570 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of e.coiner at cox.net Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 11:47 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Panel Switch Question What is the correct switch for the Instrument panel lights on a late Mk1a Tiger? I am getting some conflicting info. My car has a two 3 position switch with a built in resistor so I have two light levels, dim and flicker. Smitty maintains that it should be a very small two position switch. What does your car use? _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/wseay at embarqmail.com From wwwdg at webtv.net Fri Aug 20 09:02:12 2010 From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:02:12 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Shifter Ring Message-ID: Cobra is the same as is the Falcon 4 spd, it originally came on the 1962 Ford Galaxie with a 4 speed. David From mark.rense at ge.com Fri Aug 20 09:51:47 2010 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:51:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Panel Switch Question In-Reply-To: <001801cb4074$fda95c70$f8fc1550$@com> References: <842713.35412.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20100819234727.R5VDC.521200.imail@fed1rmwml38> <001801cb4074$fda95c70$f8fc1550$@com> Message-ID: The panel switches on B382000991 and B382001465 are both of the single-pole three-way variety. Both cars have the original dash and instruments, and I cannot vouch for what happened before my ownership, but what are the chances that both cars got replacement switches, especially panel switches? This is an interesting exercise, anyone keeping count? Bugz From s_ralsten at yahoo.com Fri Aug 20 09:52:50 2010 From: s_ralsten at yahoo.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 08:52:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Shifter Ring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3239.80634.qm@web120114.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> On getting my car 2 years ago I wanted to replace the ring as it was showing its age. Per Norm the one I had which had a groove and lip in it was the wrong one, "from a Falcon" he said the proper one was flat. I bought one from Rick at SS. Steve B9473720 --- On Fri, 8/20/10, awtiger wrote: From: awtiger Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shifter Ring To: "Sandy Ganz" , tigers at autox.team.net Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 4:14 AM I assume you are talking about the chrome shifter boot ring, correct? I was always under the impression that it was the same ring as came on a 4-speed Falcon. Maybe someone here will either correct me or concur. Andy Walker B382001600LRXFE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Ganz" To: Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 10:05 PM Subject: [Tigers] Shifter Ring > Is the round shifter ring on the Tiger the same as the Cobra? > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger at cox.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/s_ralsten at yahoo.com From e.coiner at cox.net Fri Aug 20 11:01:00 2010 From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:01:00 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Panel Switch Question In-Reply-To: <20100819234727.R5VDC.521200.imail@fed1rmwml38> Message-ID: <20100820130100.5YS9K.525852.imail@fed1rmwml40> Interesting responses from the group. It seems there are a lot of cars with each type of switch. So far I don't see a pattern to which model car has which. If you look at the wiring diagrams in the shop manual, all three models (I, Ia, II) show a switch with 8 contacts some bussed together, but I can't discern a resistor in that diagram. The two position small switch has only two contacts and would not seem to match the wiring diagram. What does Book of Norman have to say on this topic? The resistor on this switch is a thin rectangle of some sintered material that clips into two u shaped contacts on one end of the switch. At first glance it is not readily apparent. Erich ---- e.coiner at cox.net wrote: > What is the correct switch for the Instrument panel lights on a late Mk1a Tiger? > > I am getting some conflicting info. > > My car has a two 3 position switch with a built in resistor so I have two light levels, dim and flicker. > > Smitty maintains that it should be a very small two position switch. > > What does your car use? > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner at cox.net From achd73 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 20 11:03:30 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: <988877.5132.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> List- I just sent an email to personal friends- i have received word it went to the LIST. I went thru my address book and checked each person, being careful to not send to any females or anyone in the past who replied "remove me" as I have had 2 friends who did request, one was his work email. I promise I have no idea how it went to the list but I will check each persons address a I have LIST as the keyword in my address book. I apologize now, before the emails start pouring in, I by no means sent this to our list or any of the other groups I'm a member of. I'm big, blonde and sometimes dumb but I'm not stupid. Again, my apologizes- IF U read this, unless U want to see topless female, DELETE the email and you wont be insulted. regards, TonytheTiger From cburruss at hiwaay.net Fri Aug 20 11:07:49 2010 From: cburruss at hiwaay.net (Jim & Carolyn Burruss) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:07:49 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Porsche Wheels on a Tiger Message-ID: <2030AB328F954D9E88B345B9509BA776@retired> Listers: A few years ago, a friend of mine used washers that were made to adapt tapered nug nuts to wheels with spherical pockets. He ran the 14-inch Porsche 924 wheels on his Alpine and recalls using spacers on the rear, but only to even out the track widths. Here is a link for the washers: http://www.socalautoparts.com/product_info.php?products_id=13630 He is unsure of which size washers he used. Jim Burruss From awtiger at cox.net Fri Aug 20 12:05:08 2010 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:05:08 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Shifter Ring In-Reply-To: <3239.80634.qm@web120114.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100820140508.ILV6Z.1520401.imail@eastrmwml33> The shift boot ring in a Tiger that I restored some years ago came directly from the parts department of a Ford dealer here in OKC. I asked for one for an early Falcon and got a smooth chrome ring that looked just like the factory Tiger ring that I've always seen. I also happened to drive a '65 Falcon Ranchero with a factory 4-speed in it at the time and it had the same ring on the shift boot. I have no idea what the "grooved and lipped" ring is off of. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE ---- Steve Ralsten wrote: > On getting my car 2 years ago I wanted to replace the ring as it was showing its age. Per Norm the one I had which had a groove and lip in it was the wrong one, "from a Falcon" > he said the proper one was flat. I bought one from Rick at SS. > B > Steve > B9473720 > > --- On Fri, 8/20/10, awtiger wrote: > > > From: awtiger > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shifter Ring > To: "Sandy Ganz" , tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 4:14 AM > > > I assume you are talking about the chrome shifter boot ring, correct?B I was always under the impression that it was the same ring as came on a 4-speed Falcon.B Maybe someone here will either correct me or concur. > > Andy Walker > B382001600LRXFE > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Ganz" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 10:05 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Shifter Ring > > > > Is the round shifter ring on the Tiger the same as the Cobra? > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/s_ralsten at yahoo.com From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com Fri Aug 20 12:08:03 2010 From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:08:03 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <988877.5132.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <988877.5132.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006101cb4092$a31ada40$e9508ec0$@com> This is ridiculous...it CANT go to the list...the list doesn't allow images attached or in the body of the message! List- I just sent an email to personal friends- i have received word it went to the LIST. I went thru my address book and checked each person, being careful to not send to any females or anyone in the past who replied "remove me" as I have had 2 friends who did request, one was his work email. I promise I have no idea how it went to the list but I will check each persons address a I have LIST as the keyword in my address book. I apologize now, before the emails start pouring in, I by no means sent this to our list or any of the other groups I'm a member of. I'm big, blonde and sometimes dumb but I'm not stupid. Again, my apologizes- IF U read this, unless U want to see topless female, DELETE the email and you wont be insulted. regards, TonytheTiger From rfraser at bluefrog.com Fri Aug 20 12:43:21 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:43:21 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Panel Switch Question In-Reply-To: <20100820130100.5YS9K.525852.imail@fed1rmwml40> Message-ID: <25CECD9D880349499FF415A032CD054E@ronpc1> Erich TBON is very general here; three toggle switch functions were labeled Panel, Lights, Wiper. The wiring diagrams do not show all the details and I don't believe even the Alpine diagrams show those resistors. Numerous switches can be made to work. If the line ran out of the primary switch chances are a different switch was installed. If the dealer had to change out a switch; they would probably use whatever switch they had in stock to send a happy customer on his or her way. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of e.coiner at cox.net Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 1:01 PM To: e.coiner at cox.net; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Panel Switch Question Interesting responses from the group. It seems there are a lot of cars with each type of switch. So far I don't see a pattern to which model car has which. If you look at the wiring diagrams in the shop manual, all three models (I, Ia, II) show a switch with 8 contacts some bussed together, but I can't discern a resistor in that diagram. The two position small switch has only two contacts and would not seem to match the wiring diagram. What does Book of Norman have to say on this topic? The resistor on this switch is a thin rectangle of some sintered material that clips into two u shaped contacts on one end of the switch. At first glance it is not readily apparent. Erich ---- e.coiner at cox.net wrote: > What is the correct switch for the Instrument panel lights on a late > Mk1a Tiger? > > I am getting some conflicting info. > > My car has a two 3 position switch with a built in resistor so I have > two light levels, dim and flicker. > > Smitty maintains that it should be a very small two position switch. > > What does your car use? > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner at cox.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3079 - Release Date: 08/20/10 06:35:00 From achd73 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 20 12:52:35 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] My MISTAKE In-Reply-To: <988877.5132.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <981129.21506.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I may have jumped the gun. I A) don't think it went to the list. and B) pics wont post anyway, so at worst was a copy of an email to m friends, several on the List. Some I didn't send the email as I wasn't sure how it would be received. for example my friend Bill Lau in StL. I know he would not appreciate receiving the email, so i didn't send it. last weeks( it is a weekly SYBSTD- Send your Buddies some ______ day) and it is fwd. to me and I in tun fwd it to my buddies. Naturally I don't send it to any list of any other groups I'm a member of nor would I send it to the Tiger List, as I said it was listed under LIST, I found it in my address book under TIGER LIST and between 2 people I did send it to, so I think it was all a waste of my and your time BUT I did not want to get anything snow balling into bad words again. thanks for hearing me out. TtT --- On Fri, 8/20/10, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) To: "Beamclub" Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 12:03 PM List- I just sent an email to personal friends- i have received word it went to the LIST. I went thru my address book and checked each person, being careful to not send to any females or anyone in the past who replied "remove me" as I have had 2 friends who did request, one was his work email. I promise I have no idea how it went to the list but I will check each persons address a I have LIST as the keyword in my address book. I apologize now, before the emails start pouring in, I by no means sent this to our list or any of the other groups I'm a member of. I'm big, blonde and sometimes dumb but I'm not stupid. Again, my apologizes- IF U read this, unless U want to see topless female, DELETE the email and you wont be insulted. regards, TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 20 14:30:10 2010 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Crossfile Message-ID: <408953.1183.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "If you want a fantastic car. Try the SRT6 Crossfire roadster. A two seater with 330 hp. I got lucky and found one to buy at $25K. Gary B9472283" Most of the reviews I read of the car are not that good. And neither were the sales since they dropped off drasticaly toward the end of production in 2007. Jeff From mcdangerous at verizon.net Fri Aug 20 16:03:30 2010 From: mcdangerous at verizon.net (Would U. Believe) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 18:03:30 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Shifter Ring In-Reply-To: <3239.80634.qm@web120114.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There is a Toploader transmission guru near me in the DC area who sells the correct, flat ring, which may actually be from a Galaxie without console. I bought one from him. David Kee and Dan Williams (name escapes me...hope I got it right) both referred me to him. Just FYI. M On 8/20/10 11:52 AM, "Steve Ralsten" wrote: > On getting my car 2 years ago I wanted to replace the ring as it was showing > its age. Per Norm the one I had which had a groove and lip in it was the wrong > one, "from a Falcon" > he said the proper one was flat. I bought one from Rick at SS. > > Steve > B9473720 > > --- On Fri, 8/20/10, awtiger wrote: > > > From: awtiger > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shifter Ring > To: "Sandy Ganz" , tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 4:14 AM > > > I assume you are talking about the chrome shifter boot ring, correct? I was > always under the impression that it was the same ring as came on a 4-speed > Falcon. Maybe someone here will either correct me or concur. > > Andy Walker > B382001600LRXFE > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Ganz" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 10:05 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Shifter Ring > > >> Is the round shifter ring on the Tiger the same as the Cobra? >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/s_ralsten at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mcdangerous at verizon.net From sganz at pacbell.net Fri Aug 20 17:07:24 2010 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Shifter Ring In-Reply-To: <3239.80634.qm@web120114.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <3239.80634.qm@web120114.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <498478.51312.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks all for the info on the shifter ring. For some reason I didn't see it on first glance at SS, but after the brain jarring it did have a valid part so available from SS makes it easy. Was getting ready for replacing the seats and was looking at the beat up ring and figured I would brighten up the car with some new chrome ;). I might even attempt carpeting, but that looks like a lot more work then the shifter ring! Now that I think of it, maybe I can finally replace the nail wrapped with tape as a fix for my broken reverse lever on the shifter too! As always, thanks for all the responses! Sandy ________________________________ From: Steve Ralsten To: Sandy Ganz ; tigers at autox.team.net; awtiger Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 8:52:50 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shifter Ring On getting my car 2 years ago I wanted to replace the ring as it was showing its age. Per Norm the one I had which had a groove and lip in it was the wrong one, "from a Falcon" he said the proper one was flat. I bought one from Rick at SS. Steve B9473720 --- On Fri, 8/20/10, awtiger wrote: >From: awtiger >Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shifter Ring >To: "Sandy Ganz" , tigers at autox.team.net >Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 4:14 AM > > >I assume you are talking about the chrome shifter boot ring, correct? I was >always under the impression that it was the same ring as came on a 4-speed >Falcon. Maybe someone here will either correct me or concur. > >Andy Walker >B382001600LRXFE > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Ganz" >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 10:05 PM >Subject: [Tigers] Shifter Ring > > >> Is the round shifter ring on the Tiger the same as the Cobra? >> _______________________________________________ From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Fri Aug 20 17:23:46 2010 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 19:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] craigs list Tiger Message-ID: <6ed79.1d906644.39a06882@aol.com> _http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/1899977886.html_ (http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/1899977886.html) Any one know this one? From ZForce56 at aol.com Fri Aug 20 18:10:17 2010 From: ZForce56 at aol.com (ZForce56 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 20:10:17 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 Message-ID: <13134e.650d33c0.39a07369@aol.com> I am restoring 1965 Tiger B9473202. It is what Norm calls a "crossover body" car. It has square cornered hood and doors and unfilled seams...but the trunk lid has round corners and the upper quarters have filled seams, and it has the three-piece "hard boot" for the top. The door tops and the door panels are the GT style like the Mk1a and the inside rear view mirror is the larger style like the Mk1a. Before purchased the car, I emailed Norm to be sure this was "factory" and he was kind enough to assure me the car was indeed correct and was built that way. Apparently, it left Jensen April 1, 1965. Other than Norm's assurance (I have not heard or seen any reference to these transition bodies. Does anyone have any insight? Does anyone know what VIN was the first in the series? I'm just trying to educate myself about this car and have been surprised to have found nothing written about the crossover bodies. This must be a fairly obscure (or at least little discussed) variation on the Mk1 cars. Does it have any significance on the car's value one way or the other? You guys have really gone out of your way to help with the questions I have asked. I am grateful and impressed! Thanks! Zach From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com Fri Aug 20 18:49:49 2010 From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 19:49:49 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] craigs list Tiger In-Reply-To: <6ed79.1d906644.39a06882@aol.com> References: <6ed79.1d906644.39a06882@aol.com> Message-ID: <002801cb40ca$c36aa9f0$4a3ffdd0$@com> This one was discussed a couple weeks ago on the list when it showed up on bring a trailer.com.... -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of AAAGLASSS at aol.com Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 6:24 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] craigs list Tiger _http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/1899977886.html_ (http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/1899977886.html) Any one know this one? _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com From laurin212 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 20 20:42:30 2010 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 22:42:30 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) References: <988877.5132.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <006101cb4092$a31ada40$e9508ec0$@com> Message-ID: <5E7446124AD1435799794E995A98B223@PETERHOME> i'm starting to feel left out as i didnt get it but with all this attention i wish i did =) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cullen McCann" To: "'Tony Somebody'" ; "'Beamclub'" Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) > This is ridiculous...it CANT go to the list...the list doesn't allow > images > attached or in the body of the message! > > > > > > List- I just sent an email to personal friends- i have received word it > went > to the LIST. I went thru my address book and checked each person, being > careful to not send to any females or anyone in the past who replied > "remove > me" as I have had 2 friends who did request, one was his work email. I > promise > I have no idea how it went to the list but I will check each persons > address > a > I have LIST as the keyword in my address book. I apologize now, before the > emails start pouring in, I by no means sent this to our list or any of the > other groups I'm a member of. I'm big, blonde and sometimes dumb but I'm > not > stupid. > Again, my apologizes- IF U read this, unless U want to see topless female, > DELETE the email and you wont be insulted. > regards, TonytheTiger From michael.s.king at gmail.com Fri Aug 20 22:04:18 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 14:04:18 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 In-Reply-To: <13134e.650d33c0.39a07369@aol.com> References: <13134e.650d33c0.39a07369@aol.com> Message-ID: Zach, The corss over bodies are nto uncomon.. infact in theory there are 2 types of cross over bodies, the ones such as yours which a a series IVa based alpine body in that it has square cornered bonnet and doors and round boot, but has the metal boot covers as per MKI/SIV Alpine. Then you have the very early SV alpine body cars and IA Tigers that have the same body as just outlined.. but have the Soft vynil softtop boot and also have the fresh air vents to the interior. On 21 August 2010 10:10, wrote: > I am restoring 1965 Tiger B9473202. It is what Norm calls a "crossover > body" car. It has square cornered hood and doors and unfilled seams...but > the > trunk lid has round corners and the upper quarters have filled seams, and > it > has the three-piece "hard boot" for the top. The door tops and the door > panels are the GT style like the Mk1a and the inside rear view mirror is > the > larger style like the Mk1a. Before purchased the car, I emailed Norm to be > sure this was "factory" and he was kind enough to assure me the car was > indeed correct and was built that way. Apparently, it left Jensen April 1, > 1965. Other than Norm's assurance (I have not heard or seen any reference > to > these transition bodies. Does anyone have any insight? Does anyone know > what > VIN was the first in the series? > I'm just trying to educate myself about this car and have been > surprised to have found nothing written about the crossover bodies. This > must be a > fairly obscure (or at least little discussed) variation on the Mk1 cars. > Does it have any significance on the car's value one way or the other? > You guys have really gone out of your way to help with the questions I > have asked. I am grateful and impressed! > Thanks! > Zach > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From allanballard at att.net Sat Aug 21 05:16:49 2010 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 07:16:49 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 In-Reply-To: References: <13134e.650d33c0.39a07369@aol.com> Message-ID: <259FCD4F-8A49-4B6B-A72C-20DA5FFE1765@att.net> Another oddity pertains to the badges used on some of the crossover cars. These badges don't say Powered by Ford 260 or Sunbeam V8. The one still remaining on my early 1966 says Sunbeam 260. And this is a LHD car made for export to the US. (I need replacements if anyone knows of a source...) Allan Ballard On Aug 21, 2010, at 12:04 AM, michael king wrote: > Zach, > > The corss over bodies are nto uncomon.. infact in theory there are 2 types > of cross over bodies, the ones such as yours which a a series IVa based > alpine body in that it has square cornered bonnet and doors and round boot, > but has the metal boot covers as per MKI/SIV Alpine. > > Then you have the very early SV alpine body cars and IA Tigers that have the > same body as just outlined.. but have the Soft vynil softtop boot and also > have the fresh air vents to the interior. > > On 21 August 2010 10:10, wrote: > >> I am restoring 1965 Tiger B9473202. It is what Norm calls a "crossover >> body" car. It has square cornered hood and doors and unfilled seams...but >> the >> trunk lid has round corners and the upper quarters have filled seams, and >> it >> has the three-piece "hard boot" for the top. The door tops and the door >> panels are the GT style like the Mk1a and the inside rear view mirror is >> the >> larger style like the Mk1a. Before purchased the car, I emailed Norm to be >> sure this was "factory" and he was kind enough to assure me the car was >> indeed correct and was built that way. Apparently, it left Jensen April 1, >> 1965. Other than Norm's assurance (I have not heard or seen any reference >> to >> these transition bodies. Does anyone have any insight? Does anyone know >> what >> VIN was the first in the series? >> I'm just trying to educate myself about this car and have been >> surprised to have found nothing written about the crossover bodies. This >> must be a >> fairly obscure (or at least little discussed) variation on the Mk1 cars. >> Does it have any significance on the car's value one way or the other? >> You guys have really gone out of your way to help with the questions I >> have asked. I am grateful and impressed! >> Thanks! >> Zach >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com >> >> > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sat Aug 21 06:15:56 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:15:56 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 In-Reply-To: <259FCD4F-8A49-4B6B-A72C-20DA5FFE1765@att.net> References: <13134e.650d33c0.39a07369@aol.com> <259FCD4F-8A49-4B6B-A72C-20DA5FFE1765@att.net> Message-ID: Allan, I thought the "SUNBEAM 260" badges were on the later UK cars and EU cars pre MKIA (so cross over body).. i didnt think they were on USA destined cars.. was your car one of the cars bought in EU and exported to the USA? Also i might be able to help you with the badges. On 21 August 2010 21:16, Allan Ballard wrote: > Another oddity pertains to the badges used on some of the crossover cars. > > These badges don't say Powered by Ford 260 or Sunbeam V8. > > The one still remaining on my early 1966 says Sunbeam 260. > > And this is a LHD car made for export to the US. > > (I need replacements if anyone knows of a source...) > > Allan Ballard > > On Aug 21, 2010, at 12:04 AM, michael king wrote: > > > Zach, > > > > The corss over bodies are nto uncomon.. infact in theory there are 2 > types > > of cross over bodies, the ones such as yours which a a series IVa based > > alpine body in that it has square cornered bonnet and doors and round > boot, > > but has the metal boot covers as per MKI/SIV Alpine. > > > > Then you have the very early SV alpine body cars and IA Tigers that have > the > > same body as just outlined.. but have the Soft vynil softtop boot and > also > > have the fresh air vents to the interior. > > > > On 21 August 2010 10:10, wrote: > > > >> I am restoring 1965 Tiger B9473202. It is what Norm calls a "crossover > >> body" car. It has square cornered hood and doors and unfilled > seams...but > >> the > >> trunk lid has round corners and the upper quarters have filled seams, > and > >> it > >> has the three-piece "hard boot" for the top. The door tops and the door > >> panels are the GT style like the Mk1a and the inside rear view mirror > is > >> the > >> larger style like the Mk1a. Before purchased the car, I emailed Norm to > be > >> sure this was "factory" and he was kind enough to assure me the car was > >> indeed correct and was built that way. Apparently, it left Jensen April > 1, > >> 1965. Other than Norm's assurance (I have not heard or seen any > reference > >> to > >> these transition bodies. Does anyone have any insight? Does anyone know > >> what > >> VIN was the first in the series? > >> I'm just trying to educate myself about this car and have been > >> surprised to have found nothing written about the crossover bodies. > This > >> must be a > >> fairly obscure (or at least little discussed) variation on the Mk1 > cars. > >> Does it have any significance on the car's value one way or the other? > >> You guys have really gone out of your way to help with the questions > I > >> have asked. I am grateful and impressed! > >> Thanks! > >> Zach > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Tigers at autox.team.net > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Regards > > > > Michael King > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net > > > > -- Regards Michael King From allanballard at att.net Sat Aug 21 06:34:23 2010 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 08:34:23 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 In-Reply-To: References: <13134e.650d33c0.39a07369@aol.com> <259FCD4F-8A49-4B6B-A72C-20DA5FFE1765@att.net> Message-ID: Michael, My car is in the BON as sold to a guy in Oklahoma--which is where I obtained it. I'm not aware of any information of the car being other than exported to, and bought in the USA. If you could help with badges, that would be super! The one remaining is dim so I would hope for three... Allan Allan Ballard On Aug 21, 2010, at 8:15 AM, michael king wrote: > Allan, > > I thought the "SUNBEAM 260" badges were on the later UK cars and EU cars pre MKIA (so cross over body).. i didnt think they were on USA destined cars.. was your car one of the cars bought in EU and exported to the USA? > > Also i might be able to help you with the badges. > > > > > On 21 August 2010 21:16, Allan Ballard wrote: > Another oddity pertains to the badges used on some of the crossover cars. > > These badges don't say Powered by Ford 260 or Sunbeam V8. > > The one still remaining on my early 1966 says Sunbeam 260. > > And this is a LHD car made for export to the US. > > (I need replacements if anyone knows of a source...) > > Allan Ballard > > On Aug 21, 2010, at 12:04 AM, michael king wrote: > > > Zach, > > > > The corss over bodies are nto uncomon.. infact in theory there are 2 types > > of cross over bodies, the ones such as yours which a a series IVa based > > alpine body in that it has square cornered bonnet and doors and round boot, > > but has the metal boot covers as per MKI/SIV Alpine. > > > > Then you have the very early SV alpine body cars and IA Tigers that have the > > same body as just outlined.. but have the Soft vynil softtop boot and also > > have the fresh air vents to the interior. > > > > On 21 August 2010 10:10, wrote: > > > >> I am restoring 1965 Tiger B9473202. It is what Norm calls a "crossover > >> body" car. It has square cornered hood and doors and unfilled seams...but > >> the > >> trunk lid has round corners and the upper quarters have filled seams, and > >> it > >> has the three-piece "hard boot" for the top. The door tops and the door > >> panels are the GT style like the Mk1a and the inside rear view mirror is > >> the > >> larger style like the Mk1a. Before purchased the car, I emailed Norm to be > >> sure this was "factory" and he was kind enough to assure me the car was > >> indeed correct and was built that way. Apparently, it left Jensen April 1, > >> 1965. Other than Norm's assurance (I have not heard or seen any reference > >> to > >> these transition bodies. Does anyone have any insight? Does anyone know > >> what > >> VIN was the first in the series? > >> I'm just trying to educate myself about this car and have been > >> surprised to have found nothing written about the crossover bodies. This > >> must be a > >> fairly obscure (or at least little discussed) variation on the Mk1 cars. > >> Does it have any significance on the car's value one way or the other? > >> You guys have really gone out of your way to help with the questions I > >> have asked. I am grateful and impressed! > >> Thanks! > >> Zach > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Tigers at autox.team.net > >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Regards > > > > Michael King > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net > > > > > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King From s_ralsten at yahoo.com Sat Aug 21 12:50:12 2010 From: s_ralsten at yahoo.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 11:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <621172.37410.qm@web120117.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Allan... If Michael or some other lister doesn't have them call Rick at Sunbeam Specialties. I needed one Alpine 260 badge and he had it made. Don't think I paid any more than for the more common flavors, just took longer. I think they are made in the UK Steve --- On Sat, 8/21/10, Allan Ballard wrote: From slaifman at socal.rr.com Sat Aug 21 13:28:49 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 12:28:49 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Electrical problem... Lucas or...Ford? In-Reply-To: <883964.5425.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <883964.5425.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C7028F1.1030000@socal.rr.com> When I bought my first English car, the MG-TD, in 1951 (new) I was given some advice by the agency. "Always keep a Bumpershoot Handy." Well, I was a freshman at CalTech, young, and I was afraid to show my ignorance of the "mother tongue". Turns out that a "bumpershoot" is British for "umbrella", so I followed his advice and kept one in the back shelf. That was a strange action, here, as it hardly ever rains in California. I was traveling North to the Valley (San Fernando) when my car sputtered and quit in the fast lane. Ignition on, I couldn't hear the SU fuel pump "clicking away". So, while stopped in fast heavy traffic, I got out of the car with "bumpershoot" in hand, raised the window, and gave the fuel pump a few "whacks" with the umbrella. It started clicking away, so I got back in, started immediately, and went home. He was right. I checked out the "Workshop Manual" manual, and it didn't mention a "bumpershoot". It's friendly advise: "Periodically clean your fuel pump points with a clean business card." Great advise, except I didn't have a business card as a freshman. Yes, still have an SU fuel pump under the Tiger rear shelf door, but never had to clean it. Maybe it's because I have a "never been used" bumpershoot! Or maybe it senses the unused "bumpershoot" on the parcel shelf? And the question was about Ford starter relays. Who knows, it may become free to move with a few good whacks, as well. Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Sat Aug 21 13:29:33 2010 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo)) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 14:29:33 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 In-Reply-To: <13134e.650d33c0.39a07369@aol.com> References: <13134e.650d33c0.39a07369@aol.com> Message-ID: <10361715F1EF4BBA8E7ACC335A7B2EFB@jerry> Zach, My Tiger was made on April 1, 1965 also. And have the "crossover" body. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of ZForce56 at aol.com Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 7:10 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 I am restoring 1965 Tiger B9473202. It is what Norm calls a "crossover body" car. It has square cornered hood and doors and unfilled seams...but the trunk lid has round corners and the upper quarters have filled seams, and it has the three-piece "hard boot" for the top. The door tops and the door panels are the GT style like the Mk1a and the inside rear view mirror is the larger style like the Mk1a. Before purchased the car, I emailed Norm to be sure this was "factory" and he was kind enough to assure me the car was indeed correct and was built that way. Apparently, it left Jensen April 1, 1965. Other than Norm's assurance (I have not heard or seen any reference to these transition bodies. Does anyone have any insight? Does anyone know what VIN was the first in the series? I'm just trying to educate myself about this car and have been surprised to have found nothing written about the crossover bodies. This must be a fairly obscure (or at least little discussed) variation on the Mk1 cars. Does it have any significance on the car's value one way or the other? You guys have really gone out of your way to help with the questions I have asked. I am grateful and impressed! Thanks! Zach _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net From achd73 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 21 15:22:49 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 14:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes In-Reply-To: <10361715F1EF4BBA8E7ACC335A7B2EFB@jerry> Message-ID: <409787.46838.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 9473317 would also be as it has round doors and trunk but the deck lid is square. While the PO drove the car, a fulcrum pin broke and did some damage and he also hit a deer. The donner car was used to replace part of the front end BUT the piece that went on has no horn holes. Leads me to think an early Alpine was used but I had a S4(sold it to guy in Chicago- funny, I bought a S5 from him many years ago). He had no idea what car had no horn holes. It is good in that I don't have to block the holes to help with over heating problems. Anyone with information about any Beams with no horn holes, passing it on will be deeply appreciated. Thanks in advance. TonytheTiger From slaifman at socal.rr.com Sat Aug 21 15:37:45 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 14:37:45 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Want a Tiger on Your Wall? Message-ID: <4C704729.7040006@socal.rr.com> Tigers, I found some information on the web about one fantastic artist *Shin Yoshikawa*, of . He produces sketches of great cars in a "cutaway" mode. He also *makes* all aluminum cars, from scratch, for some very recognizable fans. Like a Toyota 2000GT - all aluminum. The car, and others, is shown at: < *http://jalopnik.com/5116989/aluminum-magician-makes-beautiful-toyota-2000gt-body* > He ALSO makes exposed drawings of some great cars. < *http://www.kaiartintl.com/* > He is now working on the Toyota 2000 Roadster, reproduction in aluminum, only a little larger to fit American sized bodies, not the Japanese standards, and an aluminum body Cobra for "the Carroll" You may remember that *this* is the car James Bond drove in "You Only Live Twice". See Cable Station "Encore". The Preview is broadcast FREE on their Cable Site. Check your cable/satellite service for availability. <* http://www.starz.com/titles/YouOnlyLiveTwice* > And is showing: * Tuesday, August 24, 7:35 a.m. * Thursday, September 23, 11:35 p.m. * Friday, September 24, 7:45 a.m. There were only two of these cars ever made, and they were returned to Toyota after filming. These cars were very nice, and Mr. Yoshikawa is making an all aluminum version, sized for American Drivers (they are bigger), and a modern Toyota engine. His fabrications are shown So, you may ask, "*What has this to do with Tigers?*" So, I'll tell you. Had a great conversation with Shin Yokohama. He saw our http://TigersUnited.com website, and asked whether Tiger Owners would want an cutaway drawing of our TIGER. When he finishes the drawing it copies will be available. See his website for examples: < *http://www.kaiartintl.com/* > and his illustrated column at *<* *http://www.kaiartintl.com/shins_column* *>* Order first, and get a low serial number. The size will be *18" x 24"* and the introductory price for pre-orders will be *$30*. Heck, we spend more than that for beer. I have no business connection with Mr. Yoshikaw, this effort is for the "love" of Tiger Owners. "Be the First Kid on your block to own one" Steve -- Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com From ZForce56 at aol.com Sat Aug 21 16:15:06 2010 From: ZForce56 at aol.com (ZForce56 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 18:15:06 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes Message-ID: <1cc06.2e1a0d80.39a1a9ea@aol.com> Wow!, it is difficult for me to comprehend what Jensen was doing in April of '65. Apparently on April 1 1965 Jensen built at least B9473187 and B9473202 with square doors. then relatively soon thereafter they built B9473317 with round doors. These cars must have driven the dealership parts guys to drink. Zach In a message dated 8/21/2010 6:08:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, achd73 at yahoo.com writes: 9473317 would also be as it has round doors and trunk but the deck lid is square. While the PO drove the car, a fulcrum pin broke and did some damage and he also hit a deer. The donner car was used to replace part of the front end BUT the piece that went on has no horn holes. Leads me to think an early Alpine was used but I had a S4(sold it to guy in Chicago- funny, I bought a S5 from him many years ago). He had no idea what car had no horn holes. It is good in that I don't have to block the holes to help with over heating problems. Anyone with information about any Beams with no horn holes, passing it on will be deeply appreciated. Thanks in advance. TonytheTiger _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/zforce56 at aol.com From Landcmitch at aol.com Sat Aug 21 18:04:28 2010 From: Landcmitch at aol.com (Landcmitch at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 20:04:28 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes Message-ID: <20b19.f5aa078.39a1c38c@aol.com> ...it was an April Fool's joke on future generations of Tiger owners. Charlie From slaifman at socal.rr.com Sat Aug 21 18:46:12 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:46:12 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Want a Tiger on Your Wall? In-Reply-To: <5981EA23599642C3B9FEEA935CF401CD@BucksLaptop> References: <4C704729.7040006@socal.rr.com> <5981EA23599642C3B9FEEA935CF401CD@BucksLaptop> Message-ID: <4C707354.8010308@socal.rr.com> Thanks, Buck I can not "sign you up", as I don't have (nor want) that function. However, just go to Mr. Shin Yoshikawa's email, shinelva at sbcglobal.net or call his phone number and talk to him. As this is, as yet, a non-released product, his Kai Art site will not list it. 661(245)0918 Mention I recommended this NEW Tiger Drawing to our community. No, this will be a new print of his original artwork., limited numbered edition, and a pre-order to reserve your early print number, and not Mark's website drawing. Look at the ones on his web site, http://www.kaiartintl.com/morgan for example. Lot's to admire in his art on paper and metal. Since he is getting a copy of this post, he might be interested in Mark's Site picture: http://www.classictiger.com/ Are there MORE? Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com Buck Trippel wrote: > Hi Steve, > > I'd love to get a cut away drawing so sign me up. Does Mr. Yoshikawa > know about the existing Tiger cutaway drawings? (for example the one > on Mark Olsen's site: http://www.classictiger.com/ > > bt From allanballard at att.net Sat Aug 21 19:05:06 2010 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 21:05:06 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes In-Reply-To: <20b19.f5aa078.39a1c38c@aol.com> References: <20b19.f5aa078.39a1c38c@aol.com> Message-ID: Good one :) I have read that blanking off the horn holes will help cool the engine. Is that true? Plates for that purpose are offered on ebay from time to time. Allan Ballard MK1a Tiger Series IV Alpine On Aug 21, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Landcmitch at aol.com wrote: > ...it was an April Fool's joke on future generations of Tiger owners. > > Charlie > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net From laurin212 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 21 19:46:51 2010 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 21:46:51 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Want a Tiger on Your Wall? References: <4C704729.7040006@socal.rr.com><5981EA23599642C3B9FEEA935CF401CD@BucksLaptop> <4C707354.8010308@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <930D14FE776947B4B05E7D438FE601C0@PETERHOME> id love to buy one of a tiger if he made one ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Laifman" To: "Buck Trippel" Cc: "Shin Yoshikawa" ; "Tiger's Den" Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Want a Tiger on Your Wall? > Thanks, Buck > > I can not "sign you up", as I don't have (nor want) that function. > > However, just go to Mr. Shin Yoshikawa's email, > > shinelva at sbcglobal.net > > or call his phone number and talk to him. As this is, as yet, a > non-released product, his Kai Art site will not list it. > > 661(245)0918 > > Mention I recommended this NEW Tiger Drawing to our community. > > No, this will be a new print of his original artwork., limited numbered > edition, and a pre-order to reserve your early print number, and not > Mark's website drawing. Look at the ones on his web site, > > http://www.kaiartintl.com/morgan for example. > > Lot's to admire in his art on paper and metal. > > Since he is getting a copy of this post, he might be interested in > Mark's Site picture: > > http://www.classictiger.com/ > > Are there MORE? > > Steve > > Steve Laifman > > Editor > > http://TigersUnited.com > > > > Buck Trippel wrote: >> Hi Steve, >> >> I'd love to get a cut away drawing so sign me up. Does Mr. Yoshikawa >> know about the existing Tiger cutaway drawings? (for example the one >> on Mark Olsen's site: http://www.classictiger.com/ >> >> bt From achd73 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 21 20:55:34 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 19:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes In-Reply-To: <20b19.f5aa078.39a1c38c@aol.com> Message-ID: <788222.29070.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Its no joke- I have no horn holes on my Tiger- it was wreckd and I think an early model Alpine donated the front clip. Thanks, TonytheTiger --- On Sat, 8/21/10, Landcmitch at aol.com wrote: From: Landcmitch at aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes To: ZForce56 at aol.com, achd73 at yahoo.com, tigers at autox.team.net, JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net, alpines at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, August 21, 2010, 7:04 PM ...it was an April Fool's joke on future generations of Tiger owners. Charlie From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sat Aug 21 21:19:05 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:19:05 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes In-Reply-To: References: <20b19.f5aa078.39a1c38c@aol.com> Message-ID: Allan, It makes a big difference both at speed and at idle.. at speed more air through the radiator, at idle th hot air cant come back out through the hoen holes and re-criculate through the radiator again.. read the "cool it buddy" article on tigersunited... enter steve with the link.... On 22 August 2010 11:05, Allan Ballard wrote: > Good one :) > > I have read that blanking off the horn holes will help cool the engine. > > Is that true? > > Plates for that purpose are offered on ebay from time to time. > > Allan Ballard > MK1a Tiger > Series IV Alpine > > > On Aug 21, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Landcmitch at aol.com wrote: > > > ...it was an April Fool's joke on future generations of Tiger owners. > > > > Charlie > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 21 22:39:51 2010 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 00:39:51 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Crossover bodies and other things Message-ID: <5470710DBEEF4204A11BD72F5CDAC3EF@jeffnicholsPC> "Wow!, it is difficult for me to comprehend what Jensen was doing in April of '65. Apparently on April 1 1965 Jensen built at least B9473187 and B9473202 with square doors. then relatively soon thereafter they built B9473317 with round doors. These cars must have driven the dealership parts guys to drink." Most likely B9473317 was actually built before April and had some kind of problem so it was shoved off to the side. No vin was assigned since it needed repair. After the problem was corrected in April, vin tag B9473317 was riveted on the car. Now the car has the vin of a "transition" Tiger even though it was built earlier. Screwy things like this happened occasionally in the UK. I was reading a story of a Shelby Cobra with a dual identity. AC vin COX 6002 was the AC cars 1963 Paris show car. COX meant for Europe only. It disappeared after the show and no one could track it down. Twenty years later CSX 2186 was found to have various parts stamped 6002 except the frame where it was stamped CSX 2186. A close examination showed faint traces of O beneath the S and 6002 under the 2186. A check of the build records showed both cars were built within days of each other and had the same body and seat color. Apparently, AC found that they were one car short in the Shelby contract and stamped CSX 2186 over COX 6002 on the frame and sent it off to Shelby. So there was one less Cobra built by AC and the total Cobras made should be reduced by one. Jeff From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sun Aug 22 07:48:35 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 09:48:35 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Allan There are numerous fixes for cooling problems if you really have a cooling problem. The horn plates are suppose to work TE/AE did a long study on this subject; it was on the TE/AE web site but the last time I looked, I did not find it. Top hitters for cooling Chin spoiler under the radiator to create negative pressure behind the radiator Complete the fan surround to draw more air through the radiator 6 blade fan for more air flow If someone knows where that TE/AE study is located; please post the web address. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allan Ballard Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:05 PM To: Landcmitch at aol.com Cc: alpines at autox.team.net; JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net; tigers at autox.team.net; ZForce56 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes Good one :) I have read that blanking off the horn holes will help cool the engine. Is that true? Plates for that purpose are offered on ebay from time to time. Allan Ballard MK1a Tiger Series IV Alpine On Aug 21, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Landcmitch at aol.com wrote: > ...it was an April Fool's joke on future generations of Tiger owners. > > Charlie > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3083 - Release Date: 08/20/10 06:35:00 From ZForce56 at aol.com Sun Aug 22 08:53:54 2010 From: ZForce56 at aol.com (ZForce56 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 10:53:54 EDT Subject: [Tigers] More insight into "Crossover" Mk1 cars Message-ID: <33ab3.7ff7a12b.39a29402@aol.com> I am still trying to make sense if the bits of evidence I have regarding the sequence Crossover body Mk1 cars. I have Tiger B9473202 with JAL 562772. I have heard from the owner of B9473187 that his car like mine has square door corners and both cars were finished by Jensen on April Fools Day 1965. I have also heard from the owner of B9473317 (presumably built after April 1. 1965) that his car has round door corners. A wise person on the list has reminded me that Jensen received the bodies a already painted from British Pressed Steel and that the JAL number is perhaps a better indicator of the sequence of body production. So, does this explain the apparent flip-flopping of body features, or is it more likely explainable by cars getting pulled from the line for repair and thus delaying VIN assignment? Thanks! Zach From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Sun Aug 22 08:59:27 2010 From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 10:59:27 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes Message-ID: <34015.65158765.39a2954f@aol.com> TE/AE cooling articles were in January & February 2006 issues of the Rootes Review. The testing and analysis were done by Tiger Tom and Chuck King of TE/AE. I blocked horn holes, added a smaller diameter pulley with a flex fan and saw a 25 degree drop in operating temperature in my stock 260 MKI. I made my own plates out of thin sheet aluminum, using a cardboard template traced around the holes for a pattern. I used silicon caulk to hold the plates in place. This was done about 3-1/2 years ago. Fred Baum Editor, the Rootes Review In a message dated 8/22/2010 10:27:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rfraser at bluefrog.com writes: Allan There are numerous fixes for cooling problems if you really have a cooling problem. The horn plates are suppose to work TE/AE did a long study on this subject; it was on the TE/AE web site but the last time I looked, I did not find it. Top hitters for cooling Chin spoiler under the radiator to create negative pressure behind the radiator Complete the fan surround to draw more air through the radiator 6 blade fan for more air flow If someone knows where that TE/AE study is located; please post the web address. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allan Ballard Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:05 PM To: Landcmitch at aol.com Cc: alpines at autox.team.net; JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net; tigers at autox.team.net; ZForce56 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes Good one :) I have read that blanking off the horn holes will help cool the engine. Is that true? Plates for that purpose are offered on ebay from time to time. Allan Ballard MK1a Tiger Series IV Alpine From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Sun Aug 22 09:36:16 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:36:16 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ron, I looked too. It ain't there. Maybe another site? TE/AE mentioned two things not mentioned so far: sealing the gap between the cross member and the radiator (Possibly no more effective than the "Chin Spoiler" you mentioned.) and an electric fan. (I'm assuming a pusher fan because the distance between the stock radiator and the fan pulley (without the fan) is, well, a bit close. I've read a few articles, probably in Tigers United, about electric fans. A good place to start. For those of us without fan shrouds, making one out of something like roof flashing doesn't look like it's too daunting. It's difficult to enclose the bottom of the shroud because of the steering rack, and challenging to block the driver's side (LHD) horn hole if there's an oil cooler installed like in the Mark 2. Once again, though, flashing could be made to close as much of the gap as possible there, and completely close the other side. A bit cheaper than the plates offered on E-Bay. Tom ' 67 Mark 2 under re-construction. On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Allan > There are numerous fixes for cooling problems if you really have a > cooling problem. > > The horn plates are suppose to work > > TE/AE did a long study on this subject; it was on the TE/AE web site but > the > last time I looked, I did not find it. > > Top hitters for cooling > > Chin spoiler under the radiator to create negative pressure behind the > radiator > > Complete the fan surround to draw more air through the radiator > > 6 blade fan for more air flow > > If someone knows where that TE/AE study is located; please post the web > address. > > Ron Fraser > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Allan Ballard > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:05 PM > To: Landcmitch at aol.com > Cc: alpines at autox.team.net; JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net; tigers at autox.team.net > ; > ZForce56 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes > > > Good one :) > > I have read that blanking off the horn holes will help cool the engine. > > Is that true? > > Plates for that purpose are offered on ebay from time to time. > > Allan Ballard > MK1a Tiger > Series IV Alpine > > > On Aug 21, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Landcmitch at aol.com wrote: > > > ...it was an April Fool's joke on future generations of Tiger owners. > > > > Charlie > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3083 - Release Date: 08/20/10 > 06:35:00 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Sun Aug 22 09:46:48 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:46:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ... but I found this via a simple Google Search! Fo figger! Tom http://www.teae.org/cooling/cooling_article.html On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Tom Parker wrote: > Ron, > > I looked too. It ain't there. Maybe another site? > > TE/AE mentioned two things not mentioned so far: sealing the gap between > the cross member and the radiator (Possibly no more effective than the "Chin > Spoiler" you mentioned.) and an electric fan. (I'm assuming a pusher fan > because the distance between the stock radiator and the fan pulley (without > the fan) is, well, a bit close. I've read a few articles, probably in Tigers > United, about electric fans. A good place to start. > > For those of us without fan shrouds, making one out of something like roof > flashing doesn't look like it's too daunting. It's difficult to enclose the > bottom of the shroud because of the steering rack, and challenging to block > the driver's side (LHD) horn hole if there's an oil cooler installed like in > the Mark 2. Once again, though, flashing could be made to close as much of > the gap as possible there, and completely close the other side. A bit > cheaper than the plates offered on E-Bay. > > Tom > ' 67 Mark 2 under re-construction. > > > On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > >> Allan >> There are numerous fixes for cooling problems if you really have a >> cooling problem. >> >> The horn plates are suppose to work >> >> TE/AE did a long study on this subject; it was on the TE/AE web site but >> the >> last time I looked, I did not find it. >> >> Top hitters for cooling >> >> Chin spoiler under the radiator to create negative pressure behind the >> radiator >> >> Complete the fan surround to draw more air through the radiator >> >> 6 blade fan for more air flow >> >> If someone knows where that TE/AE study is located; please post the web >> address. >> >> Ron Fraser >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net >> ] >> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard >> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:05 PM >> To: Landcmitch at aol.com >> Cc: alpines at autox.team.net; JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net; >> tigers at autox.team.net; >> ZForce56 at aol.com >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes >> >> >> Good one :) >> >> I have read that blanking off the horn holes will help cool the engine. >> >> Is that true? >> >> Plates for that purpose are offered on ebay from time to time. >> >> Allan Ballard >> MK1a Tiger >> Series IV Alpine >> >> >> On Aug 21, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Landcmitch at aol.com wrote: >> >> > ...it was an April Fool's joke on future generations of Tiger owners. >> > >> > Charlie >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Tigers at autox.team.net >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3083 - Release Date: 08/20/10 >> 06:35:00 >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sun Aug 22 09:55:40 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:55:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] More insight into "Crossover" Mk1 cars In-Reply-To: <33ab3.7ff7a12b.39a29402@aol.com> Message-ID: <1799931480DD4D6DA2346001A4347988@ronpc1> Zach There are many possibilities about the order of these cars. When the Vin plate was installed and when the JAL # was applied. Another possibility is the shipment of the bodies. The bodies are organized and packed for shipping. The next plant unloads the body, in the same order, reverse order or random. Bodies could be warehoused, staged for assembly or immediately sent to assembly line. The order of the bodies can become very jumbled when look at from this point of view. The main point here is that we were not there to see how the process flowed and we do not know it's many nuances. What we know is the discontinuity in the numbers which we do not understand. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of ZForce56 at aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:54 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] More insight into "Crossover" Mk1 cars I am still trying to make sense if the bits of evidence I have regarding the sequence Crossover body Mk1 cars. I have Tiger B9473202 with JAL 562772. I have heard from the owner of B9473187 that his car like mine has square door corners and both cars were finished by Jensen on April Fools Day 1965. I have also heard from the owner of B9473317 (presumably built after April 1. 1965) that his car has round door corners. A wise person on the list has reminded me that Jensen received the bodies a already painted from British Pressed Steel and that the JAL number is perhaps a better indicator of the sequence of body production. So, does this explain the apparent flip-flopping of body features, or is it more likely explainable by cars getting pulled from the line for repair and thus delaying VIN assignment? Thanks! Zach _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3083 - Release Date: 08/20/10 06:35:00 From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sun Aug 22 10:01:05 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:01:05 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <25B5DDA3F432453FA2EC10F46B71F832@ronpc1> Allan Excellent, thanks for that find. Tiger Tom and Chuck King put in a great deal of time with this study. It is worth reading. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Tom Parker [mailto:tkparker1941 at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 11:47 AM To: rfraser at bluefrog.com Cc: Allan Ballard; Landcmitch at aol.com; alpines at autox.team.net; tigers at autox.team.net; JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net; ZForce56 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes ... but I found this via a simple Google Search! Fo figger! Tom http://www.teae.org/cooling/cooling_article.html From slaifman at socal.rr.com Sun Aug 22 13:17:18 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:17:18 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Want a Tiger on Your Wall? In-Reply-To: <930D14FE776947B4B05E7D438FE601C0@PETERHOME> References: <4C704729.7040006@socal.rr.com><5981EA23599642C3B9FEEA935CF401CD@BucksLaptop> <4C707354.8010308@socal.rr.com> <930D14FE776947B4B05E7D438FE601C0@PETERHOME> Message-ID: <4C7177BE.7090102@socal.rr.com> Peter, Order one from contacts given. The more pre-orders he has, the more incentive to put a higher priority on this. If you need any confirmation of his print quality and artistic talent, visit the site(s) I've referenced for a good look at that in both his drawings and the all aluminum bodies he has made. Want an all aluminum body/chassis Tiger - he may just add it to his work load. After all, that is what Carroll Shelby did. Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com Peter Laurinaitis wrote: > id love to buy one of a tiger if he made one From RSSmithIQ at cs.com Sun Aug 22 18:49:42 2010 From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:49:42 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Retractable Shoulder Seatbelts in the Tiger In-Reply-To: <4C69ECD2.6030907@socal.rr.com> References: <4C69ECD2.6030907@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <4C71C5A6.2050104@cs.com> For anyone interested in these units, the VB part number is 12-526. According to the VB website, that is one belt and you will need two. Price shows up as $79.95. You might want to call VB to confirm. It's been so long since I bought them, there could have been two in the box. They bolt right in and work great. Had them for 8 years or so. If you want pictures, contact me directly. -Randy On 8/16/2010 9:58 PM, Steve Laifman wrote: > Mike (I believe), > > Tiger floor mounted bolts are very similar to any other car of that > vintage. The belt fabric may become a little worn, and they do not last > forever. > > What you should consider is a new a lap/shoulder strap and rear > inner-fender mount retractor. There are the standard two-point > mounts, but even better are the ones with a shoulder straps. There is a > hidden bolt hole behind the shoulder in the rear fender wells. Neat, > easy to use, and effective. These are available with retractors that > are part of the assembly bolted to the rear inner fender. > > They are about $70 for both sides from many sources. The lap buckle > should be metal-to-metal fittings with a push-button release. > > If you want, I can go out and look at the labels on mine. > > Steve. > > Steve Laifman > > Editor > > http://TigersUnited.com > > > > Would U. Believe wrote: >> The one thing that bothers me about driving my Tiger is the lap seat belts >> in it. These are mounted to loop bolts through the floor. I hate these >> things; they make me feel really unsafe. I would really feel better with >> some retractable shoulder belts. Does anyone know the best way to install >> these and where to buy the best parts? Thanks. M >> _______________________________________________ > _ -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ at cs.com Tiger- B382000189 From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Aug 23 01:14:40 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:14:40 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] ex-works rally video Message-ID: If you go to 6:40 there is footage of the ex-works rally tiger when racing in mod sports... NICE :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo3LrY42x3Q -- Regards Michael King From jmartiniii at yahoo.com Mon Aug 23 12:04:32 2010 From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 11:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Body Modifications for larger Wheels Message-ID: <58069.11492.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am currently finishing stripping the 1966 MK1A for partial sandblasting, body work, strengthening plates and plan to install 15" wheels. I am thinking I should have the body shop make the necessary body modifications to handle the larger wheels. From what I understand, these modifications are minor and should not effect the finished product. Front fender lips have been trimmed on the inside only, plus the usual easing of the arc radius where it meets the front valance. Does anyone have detailed instructions on how to accomplish this? Thanks Joel From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Aug 23 13:16:45 2010 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:16:45 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Body Modifications for larger Wheels In-Reply-To: <58069.11492.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <58069.11492.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059683C2B1@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> There's an Eastwood tool to do fender lip radiusing, and doing that to unfinished bodywork is probably the safest way to get the job done. http://www.eastwood.com/ew-fender-roller-w-instruction.html In order to figure out the clearance you really need at the front fender/valence area, you pretty much have to have the suspension at the proper ride height, with the right tires on the right wheels. Theo This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com Mon Aug 23 13:30:19 2010 From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:30:19 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Body Modifications for larger Wheels In-Reply-To: <58069.11492.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <58069.11492.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a701cb42f9$a030e540$e092afc0$@com> Joel...can you or the list direct me to any advice on the strengthening plates? My car perpetually lives on the rotisserie since I got sidetracked on another project, but its stripped and primed...basically at just the right spot to consider any strengthening. I would like to at least consider strengthening the chassis in any way that helps but does not compromise a specific "Tiger" feature...for example, I don't want to cover up my exhaust pass thrus....or anything like that...but if its small gussets and plates at specific locations...much like reinforcing a crossmember...I'm all about it. Plus when the time comes im definitely going with 15" or maybe even 16" wheels.... Cullen I am currently finishing stripping the 1966 MK1A for partial sandblasting, body work, strengthening plates and plan to install 15" wheels. I am thinking I should have the body shop make the necessary body modifications to handle the larger wheels. From what I understand, these modifications are minor and should not effect the finished product. From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Aug 23 13:42:41 2010 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:42:41 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Body Modifications for larger Wheels In-Reply-To: <58069.11492.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <58069.11492.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059683C2C9@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> On a slightly related topic I just finished putting 2" axle-to-leafspring spacers in, to replace the 1" ones that were there. Now it sits more like I'd first intended when going to the whole 16" wheel thing. Items of note: The leaf spring centerbolts have a 9/16" diameter head. To properly locate the axle on the spacer and the spacer on the spring, I first drilled a 3/8" size hole in the 2 x 2 1/2" piece of steel tubing, top to bottom, then opened the bottom one to 9/16". The top hole got a 3/8" bolt with the hex head turned down to 9/16" round. The U-bolts should have a 2 5/8" inside diameter. I got some 1/2" size ones, then drilled the axle plate to suit. One curiosity: The 1" spacers that were in there, were made of nylon and looked like they were roughly cut with a bandsaw. The centerbolt hole was drilled 9/16, but the other side had a 5/16" shank, round head Phillips screw in it with about a 1/2" head, so that there was some slack (and then the nylon allowed some distortion too). Was this piece a one-off fabrication by one of the PO's or did someone offer a lowering kit like this at some point? Theo This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From dave at munroe.ca Mon Aug 23 14:11:10 2010 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:11:10 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Body Modifications for larger Wheels In-Reply-To: <58069.11492.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <58069.11492.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Joel; I have 15 X 5 1/2" wheels on the front; 15 X 6" on the rear - no body mods necessary. Min car has all the stock fender lips. I will send you a photo via separate e-mail. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Martin" To: "Tiger List Serve" Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 3:04 PM Subject: [Tigers] Body Modifications for larger Wheels >I am currently finishing stripping the 1966 MK1A for partial sandblasting, > body > work, strengthening plates and plan to install 15" wheels. I am > thinking I > should have the body shop make the necessary body modifications to > handle the > larger wheels. From what I understand, these modifications are > minor and should > not effect the finished product. > > > Front fender lips have > been trimmed on the inside only, plus the usual easing of > the arc radius > where it meets the front valance. Does anyone have detailed > instructions on > how to accomplish this? > > Thanks > Joel > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave at munroe.ca From tgrrr at peoplepc.com Mon Aug 23 14:52:39 2010 From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:52:39 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Body Modifications for larger Wheels References: <58069.11492.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059683C2C9@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: Have never seen nylon lowering blocks. Made mine out of solid 1" steel. On another related note: Have you calculated what angle shims you need to get the proper pinion angle? Would 2 degrees down be about right for a street driven Tiger? Bob H > On a slightly related topic I just finished putting 2" axle-to-leafspring > spacers in, to replace the 1" ones that were there. Now it sits more like > I'd > first intended when going to the whole 16" wheel thing. > > Items of note: > The leaf spring centerbolts have a 9/16" diameter head. To properly locate > the > axle on the spacer and the spacer on the spring, I first drilled a 3/8" > size > hole in the 2 x 2 1/2" piece of steel tubing, top to bottom, then opened > the > bottom one to 9/16". The top hole got a 3/8" bolt with the hex head turned > down to 9/16" round. > The U-bolts should have a 2 5/8" inside diameter. I got some 1/2" size > ones, > then drilled the axle plate to suit. > > One curiosity: The 1" spacers that were in there, were made of nylon and > looked like they were roughly cut with a bandsaw. The centerbolt hole was > drilled 9/16, but the other side had a 5/16" shank, round head Phillips > screw > in it with about a 1/2" head, so that there was some slack (and then the > nylon > allowed some distortion too). Was this piece a one-off fabrication by one > of > the PO's or did someone offer a lowering kit like this at some point? > > Theo From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Aug 23 15:01:07 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:01:07 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Body Modifications for larger Wheels Message-ID: <8403c.4fa7d511.39a43b93@aol.com> Dave, I think it's important to know the aspect ratio of your tires and to know the type of wheels you are using. Some wheels might have different back spacing and tuck in under the fender lips better than the stock wheels. Mark In a message dated 8/23/2010 4:57:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dave at munroe.ca writes: Joel; I have 15 X 5 1/2" wheels on the front; 15 X 6" on the rear - no body mods necessary. Min car has all the stock fender lips. I will send you a photo via separate e-mail. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Martin" To: "Tiger List Serve" Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 3:04 PM Subject: [Tigers] Body Modifications for larger Wheels >I am currently finishing stripping the 1966 MK1A for partial sandblasting, > body > work, strengthening plates and plan to install 15" wheels. I am > thinking I > should have the body shop make the necessary body modifications to > handle the > larger wheels. From what I understand, these modifications are > minor and should > not effect the finished product. > > > Front fender lips have > been trimmed on the inside only, plus the usual easing of > the arc radius > where it meets the front valance. Does anyone have detailed > instructions on > how to accomplish this? > > Thanks > Joel > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave at munroe.ca _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Aug 23 15:18:17 2010 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:18:17 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Body Modifications for larger Wheels In-Reply-To: References: <58069.11492.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059683C2C9@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059683C34D@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Hi Bob, Hadn't really thought about that - thanks for bringing it up. I haven't put in any shims... the torque arm prevents axle windup so it's not going to go far from the static setting, right? Since I raised the rear end 1 inch from its previous situation, and I didn't change anything on the torque arm installation, I've effectively added about half a degree of preload in the downward direction (to a first approximation, one inch rise over a 57 inch run is one degree). The rubber snubber on the torque arm will prevent any further motion outside of about a 1/2 inch range unless something breaks. http://www.carcraft.com/howto/91758/index.html These guys say 1 to 2 1/2 degrees for a four-link and 6 to 7 degrees for a leaf spring suspension. Currie (quoted in the article) says 2 degrees, other guy says it depends on the horsepower... A 2 degree wedge on the 4 1/2" spacer would be about 3/16" thicker on one end than it is on the other. If I have to futz with the setup for any reason then I'll look at putting a wedge in. Thanks, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Hokanson [mailto:tgrrr at peoplepc.com] > Sent: August 23, 2010 2:53 PM > To: Tigers; Smit, Theo > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Body Modifications for larger Wheels > > Have never seen nylon lowering blocks. Made mine out of solid 1" steel. > On another related note: Have you calculated what angle shims you need > to > get the proper pinion angle? Would 2 degrees down be about right for a > street driven Tiger? > > Bob H > > > > > > On a slightly related topic I just finished putting 2" axle-to- > leafspring > > spacers in, to replace the 1" ones that were there. Now it sits more > like > > I'd > > first intended when going to the whole 16" wheel thing. > > > > Items of note: > > The leaf spring centerbolts have a 9/16" diameter head. To properly > locate > > the > > axle on the spacer and the spacer on the spring, I first drilled a > 3/8" > > size > > hole in the 2 x 2 1/2" piece of steel tubing, top to bottom, then > opened > > the > > bottom one to 9/16". The top hole got a 3/8" bolt with the hex head > turned > > down to 9/16" round. > > The U-bolts should have a 2 5/8" inside diameter. I got some 1/2" > size > > ones, > > then drilled the axle plate to suit. > > > > One curiosity: The 1" spacers that were in there, were made of nylon > and > > looked like they were roughly cut with a bandsaw. The centerbolt hole > was > > drilled 9/16, but the other side had a 5/16" shank, round head > Phillips > > screw > > in it with about a 1/2" head, so that there was some slack (and then > the > > nylon > > allowed some distortion too). Was this piece a one-off fabrication by > one > > of > > the PO's or did someone offer a lowering kit like this at some point? > > > > Theo > > > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From lpaulick1 at verizon.net Mon Aug 23 15:27:52 2010 From: lpaulick1 at verizon.net (Larry Paulick) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:27:52 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Body Modifications for larger Wheels In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059683C2B1@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> References: <58069.11492.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059683C2B1@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <4C72E7D8.7070001@verizon.net> Theo and all, an old method is to use a baseball bat, and let the car move with the bat between the tire and fender well. And yes it works. Larry On 8/23/10 3:16 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > There's an Eastwood tool to do fender lip radiusing, and doing that to > unfinished bodywork is probably the safest way to get the job done. > http://www.eastwood.com/ew-fender-roller-w-instruction.html > > In order to figure out the clearance you really need at the front > fender/valence area, you pretty much have to have the suspension at the proper > ride height, with the right tires on the right wheels. > > Theo > > > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole > use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please > be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or > any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, > please contact the sender and delete all copies. > > Thank you for your cooperation. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/lpaulick1 at verizon.net From slaifman at socal.rr.com Mon Aug 23 15:29:00 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:29:00 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Want a Tiger on Your Wall? In-Reply-To: <4C704729.7040006@socal.rr.com> References: <4C704729.7040006@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <4C72E81C.8050807@socal.rr.com> Tigers, I made a mistake, once. I thought I was wrong, but it turned out I was right after all. ;-) Just got some clarification from Shin Yoshikawa. While the price of the normal 18"x24", is $30, the "Limited Edition" is a signed and numbered release that will be limited to a total of 100 copies, at $50. These prices include U.S. shipping and handling. It appears that using PayPal can be less total cost. The Limited Edition paper will be "Special Embosser" (Anyway, I think that's what's meant. Maybe "Embossed Textured Paper Stock" is a better translation?) Here is an example of the progression of the Nissan 300ZX Twin Turbo drawing, as it progresses: http://www.kaiartintl.com/nissan_300zx_twin_turbo_drawing Browse through this site, and examine his metal work at: http://www.studiotimecapsule.com/aluminum_fabrication This site has a great many pictures. Once again, I have no business connection with Mr. Yoshikawa, and am doing this pre-production information strictly for our Tiger Community. Although there are two car drawings already in line ahead of this project, I will be valuable to pre-order to advance the schedule. I have already "signed-up" for a Limited Edition signed and numbered print. Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com From tgrrr at peoplepc.com Mon Aug 23 15:38:53 2010 From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:38:53 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Pinion Angle References: <58069.11492.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059683C2C9@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059683C34D@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: Theo, Good luck with the torque arm. I ran one for about 10 yrs but had a problem with the rear end unloading under hard braking. Finally took it out. Another good reference about pinion angles is: http://www.roddingroundtable.com/tech/articles/driveline.html Also: http://www.allfordmustangs.com/forums/2005-2010-mustang-gt-tech/203894-rear-end-pinion-angle.html Bob I haven't put in any shims... the torque arm prevents axle windup so it's not going to go far from the static setting, right? Since I raised the rear end 1 inch from its previous situation, and I didn't change anything on the torque arm installation, I've effectively added about half a degree of preload in the downward direction (to a first approximation, one inch rise over a 57 inch run is one degree). The rubber snubber on the torque arm will prevent any further motion outside of about a 1/2 inch range unless something breaks. http://www.carcraft.com/howto/91758/index.html These guys say 1 to 2 1/2 degrees for a four-link and 6 to 7 degrees for a leaf spring suspension. Currie (quoted in the article) says 2 degrees, other guy says it depends on the horsepower... A 2 degree wedge on the 4 1/2" spacer would be about 3/16" thicker on one end than it is on the other. If I have to futz with the setup for any reason then I'll look at putting a wedge in. Thanks, Theo From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Aug 23 15:54:18 2010 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:54:18 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Pinion Angle In-Reply-To: References: <58069.11492.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059683C2C9@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059683C34D@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059683C384@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> I know that's one of the side effects of the torque arm... if it annoys me enough I'll do something about it too. Floating rear brakes? That would also eliminate pad knockback due to axle end float. Do you know offhand the pinion shaft offset (sideways) relative to the diff centerline? That distance gives you some constant U-joint angle, and it's about twice as large as most other cars because the Tiger's driveshaft is so short. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Hokanson [mailto:tgrrr at peoplepc.com] > Sent: August 23, 2010 3:39 PM > To: Tigers; Smit, Theo > Subject: Re: Pinion Angle > > Theo, > Good luck with the torque arm. I ran one for about 10 yrs but had a > problem > with the rear end unloading under hard braking. Finally took it out. > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From maliburevue at yahoo.com Mon Aug 23 15:54:42 2010 From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:54:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Body Modifications for larger Wheels In-Reply-To: <47A9A7829443AE49853415B6D05B0684059683C2C9@OLE2K7CCR1.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <498036.36532.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have sold 1" rear lowering block kits before privately and on ebay, but mine were made always of aluminum with steel alignment pins. That nylon setup sounds questionable to me, especially under hard acceleration or hard braking. Gary --- On Mon, 8/23/10, Smit, Theo wrote: From: Smit, Theo Subject: Re: [Tigers] Body Modifications for larger Wheels To: "Tiger List Serve" Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 12:42 PM On a slightly related topic I just finished putting 2" axle-to-leafspring spacers in, to replace the 1" ones that were there. Now it sits more like I'd first intended when going to the whole 16" wheel thing. Items of note: The leaf spring centerbolts have a 9/16" diameter head. To properly locate the axle on the spacer and the spacer on the spring, I first drilled a 3/8" size hole in the 2 x 2 1/2" piece of steel tubing, top to bottom, then opened the bottom one to 9/16". The top hole got a 3/8" bolt with the hex head turned down to 9/16" round. The U-bolts should have a 2 5/8" inside diameter. I got some 1/2" size ones, then drilled the axle plate to suit. One curiosity: The 1" spacers that were in there, were made of nylon and looked like they were roughly cut with a bandsaw. The centerbolt hole was drilled 9/16, but the other side had a 5/16" shank, round head Phillips screw in it with about a 1/2" head, so that there was some slack (and then the nylon allowed some distortion too). Was this piece a one-off fabrication by one of the PO's or did someone offer a lowering kit like this at some point? Theo This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/maliburevue at yahoo.com From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Sun Aug 22 09:46:48 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:46:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ... but I found this via a simple Google Search! Fo figger! Tom http://www.teae.org/cooling/cooling_article.html On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Tom Parker wrote: > Ron, > > I looked too. It ain't there. Maybe another site? > > TE/AE mentioned two things not mentioned so far: sealing the gap between > the cross member and the radiator (Possibly no more effective than the "Chin > Spoiler" you mentioned.) and an electric fan. (I'm assuming a pusher fan > because the distance between the stock radiator and the fan pulley (without > the fan) is, well, a bit close. I've read a few articles, probably in Tigers > United, about electric fans. A good place to start. > > For those of us without fan shrouds, making one out of something like roof > flashing doesn't look like it's too daunting. It's difficult to enclose the > bottom of the shroud because of the steering rack, and challenging to block > the driver's side (LHD) horn hole if there's an oil cooler installed like in > the Mark 2. Once again, though, flashing could be made to close as much of > the gap as possible there, and completely close the other side. A bit > cheaper than the plates offered on E-Bay. > > Tom > ' 67 Mark 2 under re-construction. > > > On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > >> Allan >> There are numerous fixes for cooling problems if you really have a >> cooling problem. >> >> The horn plates are suppose to work >> >> TE/AE did a long study on this subject; it was on the TE/AE web site but >> the >> last time I looked, I did not find it. >> >> Top hitters for cooling >> >> Chin spoiler under the radiator to create negative pressure behind the >> radiator >> >> Complete the fan surround to draw more air through the radiator >> >> 6 blade fan for more air flow >> >> If someone knows where that TE/AE study is located; please post the web >> address. >> >> Ron Fraser >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net >> ] >> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard >> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:05 PM >> To: Landcmitch at aol.com >> Cc: alpines at autox.team.net; JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net; >> tigers at autox.team.net; >> ZForce56 at aol.com >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes >> >> >> Good one :) >> >> I have read that blanking off the horn holes will help cool the engine. >> >> Is that true? >> >> Plates for that purpose are offered on ebay from time to time. >> >> Allan Ballard >> MK1a Tiger >> Series IV Alpine >> >> >> On Aug 21, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Landcmitch at aol.com wrote: >> >> > ...it was an April Fool's joke on future generations of Tiger owners. >> > >> > Charlie >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Tigers at autox.team.net >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3083 - Release Date: 08/20/10 >> 06:35:00 >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Sun Aug 22 09:36:16 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:36:16 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ron, I looked too. It ain't there. Maybe another site? TE/AE mentioned two things not mentioned so far: sealing the gap between the cross member and the radiator (Possibly no more effective than the "Chin Spoiler" you mentioned.) and an electric fan. (I'm assuming a pusher fan because the distance between the stock radiator and the fan pulley (without the fan) is, well, a bit close. I've read a few articles, probably in Tigers United, about electric fans. A good place to start. For those of us without fan shrouds, making one out of something like roof flashing doesn't look like it's too daunting. It's difficult to enclose the bottom of the shroud because of the steering rack, and challenging to block the driver's side (LHD) horn hole if there's an oil cooler installed like in the Mark 2. Once again, though, flashing could be made to close as much of the gap as possible there, and completely close the other side. A bit cheaper than the plates offered on E-Bay. Tom ' 67 Mark 2 under re-construction. On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Allan > There are numerous fixes for cooling problems if you really have a > cooling problem. > > The horn plates are suppose to work > > TE/AE did a long study on this subject; it was on the TE/AE web site but > the > last time I looked, I did not find it. > > Top hitters for cooling > > Chin spoiler under the radiator to create negative pressure behind the > radiator > > Complete the fan surround to draw more air through the radiator > > 6 blade fan for more air flow > > If someone knows where that TE/AE study is located; please post the web > address. > > Ron Fraser > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Allan Ballard > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:05 PM > To: Landcmitch at aol.com > Cc: alpines at autox.team.net; JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net; tigers at autox.team.net > ; > ZForce56 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes > > > Good one :) > > I have read that blanking off the horn holes will help cool the engine. > > Is that true? > > Plates for that purpose are offered on ebay from time to time. > > Allan Ballard > MK1a Tiger > Series IV Alpine > > > On Aug 21, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Landcmitch at aol.com wrote: > > > ...it was an April Fool's joke on future generations of Tiger owners. > > > > Charlie > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3083 - Release Date: 08/20/10 > 06:35:00 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Aug 23 17:02:49 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 09:02:49 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Body Modifications for larger Wheels In-Reply-To: <00a701cb42f9$a030e540$e092afc0$@com> References: <58069.11492.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00a701cb42f9$a030e540$e092afc0$@com> Message-ID: Cullen, There are a few things you should brace: If you go to modtiger site they show you how to brace the panhard rod attachment, and the rear spring hangers. I have seen some people add gusets to the spot where the front floor meets the X bracing, doug jennings does this i believe: http://s606.photobucket.com/albums/tt142/65beam/?action=view¤t=107_0196.jpg Another thing that would be worthwhile is just adding more welding to the X brace underneat and to the floors.. stiffen it up. On 24 August 2010 05:30, Cullen McCann wrote: > Joel...can you or the list direct me to any advice on the strengthening > plates? My car perpetually lives on the rotisserie since I got sidetracked > on another project, but its stripped and primed...basically at just the > right spot to consider any strengthening. I would like to at least consider > strengthening the chassis in any way that helps but does not compromise a > specific "Tiger" feature...for example, I don't want to cover up my exhaust > pass thrus....or anything like that...but if its small gussets and plates > at > specific locations...much like reinforcing a crossmember...I'm all about > it. > Plus when the time comes im definitely going with 15" or maybe even 16" > wheels.... > > Cullen > > > > I am currently finishing stripping the 1966 MK1A for partial sandblasting, > body > work, strengthening plates and plan to install 15" wheels. I am > thinking I > should have the body shop make the necessary body modifications to > handle the > larger wheels. From what I understand, these modifications are > minor and should > not effect the finished product. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From achd73 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 23 17:15:48 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Body Modifications for larger Wheels In-Reply-To: <4C72E7D8.7070001@verizon.net> Message-ID: <766991.81666.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Larry- would you make a short film of the ball bat between the tire and fender- I can see it would work but it would have to be a prepaint job. Always interested in old technology. TtT From: Larry Paulick Subject: Re: [Tigers] Body Modifications for larger Wheels To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 4:27 PM Theo and all, an old method is to use a baseball bat, and let the car move with the bat between the tire and fender well. And yes it works. Larry ___________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From bobdixon at frii.com Mon Aug 23 21:31:24 2010 From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:31:24 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Body Modifications for larger Wheels References: <766991.81666.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <68C6B9568ACA4B2286D5C3814193DF81@BobsDell> I watched a guy do this with a BMW I had. Just make sure the paint is nice and warm with a heat gun. It worked great. I'm not sure I would have the guts to do it myself though. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Somebody" To: ; "Larry Paulick" Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Body Modifications for larger Wheels > Larry- would you make a short film of the ball bat between the tire and > fender- I can see it would work but it would have to be a prepaint job. > Always > interested in old technology. > TtT > > > > > From: Larry Paulick > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Body Modifications for larger Wheels > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 4:27 PM > > > Theo and all, an old method is to use a baseball bat, and let the car > move with the bat between the tire and fender well. And yes it works. > > Larry From rande at thecia.net Tue Aug 24 06:15:38 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:15:38 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] crossovers, radios Message-ID: <4c73b7ea.88b.0@thecia.net> Another item I posted to the list last week that didn't seem to appear. I'll have to check the addresses more carefully. In the discussion about crossover bodies for Tigers, I think Mike questioned the use of the 'Sunbeam 260' emblem on North American Tiger 1A's, and I went along with his reservations, thinking my car B382000048LRXFE had the 'Sunbeam V8'ones. But, I went to look at mine, just to be sure. Surprise, mine actually read 'Sunbeam 260'. For the record, the parts cataloque lists three part numbers for the 'front wing insert motif': 1. "Sunbeam 260" 3 per vehicle, no other remarks. 2. 2 per vehicle, for U.S.A and Canada. 3. "V8" 2 per vehicle, no other remarks. Presumably, the second part number, whose label is blank in the catalogue, is the 'Powered by Ford 260' motif. But Norm, in his BON lists four combinations: ALPINE 260 POWERED BY FORD 260 SUNBEAM 260 SUNBEAM V8 As for more crossover body information, I don't think this has been brought up, but Chris McGovern's book Alpine - The Classic Sunbeam mentions early and late Series IV Alpines, and I'll quote..."September 1964,...the trailing edges of the doors and bonnet were 'squared' off, which meant that it was no longer necessary to lead in the joints where the front wings met the scuttle panel, and where the outer sill met the front and rear wings. This was supposed to have been done to speed up production, but one suspects that the real reason was to cut down costs..." I think everyone knows that the Alpine Series IV coresponds generally to the Tiger Mark I body. On the radio front, the eBay radio and enclosure recently offered reached a bid of $380, but that did not make the reserve. This item in general really fluctuates in value on eBay. The last version of a Tiger radio I remember on eBay was an New Old Stock complete kit in the Bendix box(radio, speaker, trim plate,mounting bracket) from maybe six months ago. It spent two-three weeks in its first auction at around $1000, with no bidders. As soon as the seller dropped the price to (IIRC) $500, it lasted a couple of days before being sold. I wouldn't know what to advise a seller today about what to set the price at. I've seen a couple go for around $150 for just the radio head, and then there's the $500 auction. RB From jmartiniii at yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 07:13:11 2010 From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 06:13:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Body Modifications for larger Wheels In-Reply-To: <00a701cb42f9$a030e540$e092afc0$@com> References: <58069.11492.qm@web38108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00a701cb42f9$a030e540$e092afc0$@com> Message-ID: <706359.84155.qm@web38107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cullen I have purchased 2 of the strengthening kits from http://www.tigerengineering.net/ Excellent instructions in .pdf form as well. They will be going on in a month or so. Hope this helps. Joel ----- Original Message ---- From: Cullen McCann To: Joel Martin ; Tiger List Serve Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 3:30:19 PM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Body Modifications for larger Wheels Joel...can you or the list direct me to any advice on the strengthening plates? My car perpetually lives on the rotisserie since I got sidetracked on another project, but its stripped and primed...basically at just the right spot to consider any strengthening. I would like to at least consider strengthening the chassis in any way that helps but does not compromise a specific "Tiger" feature...for example, I don't want to cover up my exhaust pass thrus....or anything like that...but if its small gussets and plates at specific locations...much like reinforcing a crossmember...I'm all about it. Plus when the time comes im definitely going with 15" or maybe even 16" wheels.... Cullen I am currently finishing stripping the 1966 MK1A for partial sandblasting, body work, strengthening plates and plan to install 15" wheels. I am thinking I should have the body shop make the necessary body modifications to handle the larger wheels. From what I understand, these modifications are minor and should not effect the finished product. From rande at thecia.net Tue Aug 24 08:19:12 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 10:19:12 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Armstrong Siddeley models Message-ID: <4c73d4e0.1c8b.0@thecia.net> Hi, For those folks who collect models, and want to go back before the '60's for a make with a little Rootes history, this link: http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2010/08/24/first-the-drought-then-the-flood-oxford-diecast-releases-two-diecast-armstrong-siddeleys/?refer=news It's from the daily Hemmings blog from this morning. RB From BEAU2EVE at aol.com Tue Aug 24 11:21:00 2010 From: BEAU2EVE at aol.com (BEAU2EVE at aol.com) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:21:00 EDT Subject: [Tigers] steering rack Message-ID: A few months back someone on the list mention someone who rebuilds the racks for the tiger. Does any one remember the guy? Mine is definitely due. From jteepen at usatoday.com Tue Aug 24 11:53:47 2010 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:53:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] steering rack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Doug Jennings(Tiger/Alpine Clubhouse), Dayton, Ohio, 937-252-3317. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BEAU2EVE at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 10:21 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] steering rack A few months back someone on the list mention someone who rebuilds the racks for the tiger. Does any one remember the guy? Mine is definitely due. From dave at munroe.ca Tue Aug 24 12:52:53 2010 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 15:52:53 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] steering rack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7BAA267B694440DAAC9CF9867036C509@DavePC> That would be me who had a rack re-built, and it was "ModTiger Engineering Tom" (Tom Hall) of Pleasanton, California, who did it. www.tigerengineering.net Dave Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 2:21 PM Subject: [Tigers] steering rack >A few months back someone on the list mention someone who rebuilds the > racks for the tiger. Does any one remember the guy? Mine is definitely > due. From slaifman at socal.rr.com Tue Aug 24 13:05:14 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 12:05:14 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Gear Ratio Calculator Message-ID: <4C7417EA.5050206@socal.rr.com> Been reading a lot of messages about T-5, Tiger "close ratio' and "wide ratio" gearing, tire sizes, and speed in gears. Here is a "do-it-yourself" calculator that you can play with and make whatever comparisons you want: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/HokansonGearSpeedXL/pt-HokansonGearSpeedXL.asp Once again, Bob Hokanson has provided an excellent graphic gear ratio calculator in Excel, along with a link to get a free Excel Calculator. It will simultaneously display Tiger "close ratio", Tiger II "wide ratio", the JBA 1352-000-20, the Mustang 5 speed, the Motorsport 5 speed, and the JBA 1352-000-204. (or any other gear ratios you may want to compare. You can alter the engine rpm, the gear you want to examine by a "gear selector", tire diameter, rear end gear ratio to compare various options. Everyone should read this page, and even download it into a PC/Mac. It will settle a lot of arguments. Thanks, yet again, to Bob Hokanson and his handy spreadsheet. There may even be a later version we need to reference, but THIS one is great. Steve -- Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com From jmartiniii at yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 13:26:50 2010 From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 12:26:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Seat Tracks & Frames Message-ID: <876158.99045.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Are all seat frames and tracks created equal? 1966 MK1A would use which ones? Are they specific to just one or multiple years and what should I be looking for? Does anyone have a correct set they would be willing to part with? Thanks for your expertise and guidance. Joel Martin From Parlanti at comcast.net Tue Aug 24 14:37:21 2010 From: Parlanti at comcast.net (Joe Parlanti) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:37:21 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Seat Tracks & Frames In-Reply-To: <876158.99045.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <876158.99045.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002a01cb43cc$33baca60$9b305f20$@net> Joel, There were essentially 2 seat frame types in the Tiger. They are characterized by using either a single rubber diaphragm or multiple rubber straps to support the foam seat bottom. As I originally thought the changeover to the diaphragm type coincided with the introduction of the Mk1A. However, my car B382000026 used the earlier seats. Apparently, the first several hundred Mk1A crossover cars had the earlier seats. I'm not sure about the tracks, hopefully someone else will chime in on this question. BTW, I wrote an article some time ago describing the full restoration of the seats which may help. It can be found on the Tigers United site: http://tigersunited.com/techtips/ParlantiSeats/JoeParlantiSeatsPt1.asp Hope this helps, Joe Joseph V. Parlanti 1966 Tiger B38200002 1959 Abarth Zagato 750GT -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:27 PM To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Seat Tracks & Frames Are all seat frames and tracks created equal? 1966 MK1A would use which ones? Are they specific to just one or multiple years and what should I be looking for? Does anyone have a correct set they would be willing to part with? Thanks for your expertise and guidance. Joel Martin From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Tue Aug 24 15:17:08 2010 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:17:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Seat Tracks & Frames References: <876158.99045.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002a01cb43cc$33baca60$9b305f20$@net> Message-ID: If anyone needs the MK1 type multiple rubber straps to rebuild their seats, CAT Parts has a ton of them. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Parlanti" To: "'Joel Martin'" ; "'Tiger List Serve'" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Seat Tracks & Frames > Joel, > > There were essentially 2 seat frame types in the Tiger. They are > characterized by using either a single rubber diaphragm or multiple rubber > straps to support the foam seat bottom. As I originally thought the > changeover to the diaphragm type coincided with the introduction of the > Mk1A. However, my car B382000026 used the earlier seats. Apparently, the > first several hundred Mk1A crossover cars had the earlier seats. I'm not > sure about the tracks, hopefully someone else will chime in on this > question. BTW, I wrote an article some time ago describing the full > restoration of the seats which may help. It can be found on the Tigers > United site: > > http://tigersunited.com/techtips/ParlantiSeats/JoeParlantiSeatsPt1.asp > > Hope this helps, > > Joe > > Joseph V. Parlanti > 1966 Tiger B38200002 > 1959 Abarth Zagato 750GT > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Joel Martin > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:27 PM > To: Tiger List Serve > Subject: [Tigers] Seat Tracks & Frames > > Are all seat frames and tracks created equal? 1966 MK1A would use which > ones? > Are they specific to just one or multiple years and what should I be > looking > for? Does anyone have a correct set they would be willing to part > with? > > Thanks for your expertise and guidance. > > Joel Martin > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bucktrippel at verizon.net From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Sun Aug 22 09:46:48 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:46:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ... but I found this via a simple Google Search! Fo figger! Tom http://www.teae.org/cooling/cooling_article.html On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Tom Parker wrote: > Ron, > > I looked too. It ain't there. Maybe another site? > > TE/AE mentioned two things not mentioned so far: sealing the gap between > the cross member and the radiator (Possibly no more effective than the "Chin > Spoiler" you mentioned.) and an electric fan. (I'm assuming a pusher fan > because the distance between the stock radiator and the fan pulley (without > the fan) is, well, a bit close. I've read a few articles, probably in Tigers > United, about electric fans. A good place to start. > > For those of us without fan shrouds, making one out of something like roof > flashing doesn't look like it's too daunting. It's difficult to enclose the > bottom of the shroud because of the steering rack, and challenging to block > the driver's side (LHD) horn hole if there's an oil cooler installed like in > the Mark 2. Once again, though, flashing could be made to close as much of > the gap as possible there, and completely close the other side. A bit > cheaper than the plates offered on E-Bay. > > Tom > ' 67 Mark 2 under re-construction. > > > On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > >> Allan >> There are numerous fixes for cooling problems if you really have a >> cooling problem. >> >> The horn plates are suppose to work >> >> TE/AE did a long study on this subject; it was on the TE/AE web site but >> the >> last time I looked, I did not find it. >> >> Top hitters for cooling >> >> Chin spoiler under the radiator to create negative pressure behind the >> radiator >> >> Complete the fan surround to draw more air through the radiator >> >> 6 blade fan for more air flow >> >> If someone knows where that TE/AE study is located; please post the web >> address. >> >> Ron Fraser >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net >> ] >> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard >> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:05 PM >> To: Landcmitch at aol.com >> Cc: alpines at autox.team.net; JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net; >> tigers at autox.team.net; >> ZForce56 at aol.com >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes >> >> >> Good one :) >> >> I have read that blanking off the horn holes will help cool the engine. >> >> Is that true? >> >> Plates for that purpose are offered on ebay from time to time. >> >> Allan Ballard >> MK1a Tiger >> Series IV Alpine >> >> >> On Aug 21, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Landcmitch at aol.com wrote: >> >> > ...it was an April Fool's joke on future generations of Tiger owners. >> > >> > Charlie >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Tigers at autox.team.net >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3083 - Release Date: 08/20/10 >> 06:35:00 >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Sun Aug 22 09:36:16 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:36:16 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ron, I looked too. It ain't there. Maybe another site? TE/AE mentioned two things not mentioned so far: sealing the gap between the cross member and the radiator (Possibly no more effective than the "Chin Spoiler" you mentioned.) and an electric fan. (I'm assuming a pusher fan because the distance between the stock radiator and the fan pulley (without the fan) is, well, a bit close. I've read a few articles, probably in Tigers United, about electric fans. A good place to start. For those of us without fan shrouds, making one out of something like roof flashing doesn't look like it's too daunting. It's difficult to enclose the bottom of the shroud because of the steering rack, and challenging to block the driver's side (LHD) horn hole if there's an oil cooler installed like in the Mark 2. Once again, though, flashing could be made to close as much of the gap as possible there, and completely close the other side. A bit cheaper than the plates offered on E-Bay. Tom ' 67 Mark 2 under re-construction. On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Allan > There are numerous fixes for cooling problems if you really have a > cooling problem. > > The horn plates are suppose to work > > TE/AE did a long study on this subject; it was on the TE/AE web site but > the > last time I looked, I did not find it. > > Top hitters for cooling > > Chin spoiler under the radiator to create negative pressure behind the > radiator > > Complete the fan surround to draw more air through the radiator > > 6 blade fan for more air flow > > If someone knows where that TE/AE study is located; please post the web > address. > > Ron Fraser > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Allan Ballard > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:05 PM > To: Landcmitch at aol.com > Cc: alpines at autox.team.net; JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net; tigers at autox.team.net > ; > ZForce56 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes > > > Good one :) > > I have read that blanking off the horn holes will help cool the engine. > > Is that true? > > Plates for that purpose are offered on ebay from time to time. > > Allan Ballard > MK1a Tiger > Series IV Alpine > > > On Aug 21, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Landcmitch at aol.com wrote: > > > ...it was an April Fool's joke on future generations of Tiger owners. > > > > Charlie > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3083 - Release Date: 08/20/10 > 06:35:00 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From rande at thecia.net Tue Aug 24 16:22:29 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:22:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] seat frames and seat slides Message-ID: <4c744625.6fca.0@thecia.net> Hi, Mr Parlanti is correct about the seat cushions. My 1A (#48)seats have the individual rubber straps, while the Mark II is the single diaphram style for each seat. As for the seat sliders, left and right are different, but the parts cataloque lists them as the same two part numbers for Alpine Series IV and newer, and by extension, all Tigers. Check with Mike in Florida, Gary Schotland in New Jersey, or maybe Jerry C. in Texas, they usually deal in used Tiger and Alpine parts. Also, if you need substantial parts of seats (like, for instance, the whole darn seat) things like these end up on eBay sometimes. I'll defer to others who have more seat part swapping knowledge. Looking at the cataloque info for the seat cushion, it seems like the Alpine Series IV frame supercedes to the later number listed for the Series V. The seat back frame(squab frame) is the same number for Series III through Series V and Tiger, left or right. RB From allanballard at att.net Tue Aug 24 16:49:20 2010 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:49:20 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] steering rack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <431F9616-0AE2-4E5C-A1A2-4FC2A15AA806@att.net> I think Randy Willet does. randy willett Allan Ballard On Aug 24, 2010, at 1:21 PM, BEAU2EVE at aol.com wrote: > A few months back someone on the list mention someone who rebuilds the > racks for the tiger. Does any one remember the guy? Mine is definitely due. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net From tym2 at comcast.net Tue Aug 24 16:55:28 2010 From: tym2 at comcast.net (tym2 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Seats and Parts Message-ID: <1443014510.457478.1282690528122.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Tigers, I'm wondering if anyone has used seats in their Tiger other than the originals. Some time ago, someone told me they had used the seats from a BMW M3. Does anyone have a recommendation? Also, I have a used Performer manifold (SBF) and a Carter Competition Series 600cfm carb I recently took off my Mk1A if anyone is interested in making me an offer. Tym McDowell From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 24 16:58:04 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 15:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Gear Ratio Calculator In-Reply-To: <4C7417EA.5050206@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <713871.63184.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> THANKS Bob and Steve. You guys keep our lug nuts tight and our front ends aligned or at least up to date on any new methods.Appreciated, TtT Been reading a lot of messages about T-5, Tiger "close ratio' and "wide ratio" gearing, tire sizes, and speed in gears. Here is a "do-it-yourself" calculator that you can play with and make whatever comparisons you want: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/HokansonGearSpeedXL/pt-HokansonGearSpeedXL.asp From dave at munroe.ca Tue Aug 24 17:01:11 2010 From: dave at munroe.ca (dave at munroe.ca) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 23:01:11 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] crossovers, radios Message-ID: Hi Randy: Just to add fuel to the fire, my car - B382000450 LRXFE - which is close to yours, also has the "Sunbeam 260" emblems, and has unfilled seams, square corners on the doors and bonnet, and a round corner boot lid. A consistency of two! Dave Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network From allanballard at att.net Tue Aug 24 17:13:41 2010 From: allanballard at att.net (Allan Ballard) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:13:41 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] seat frames and seat slides In-Reply-To: <4c744625.6fca.0@thecia.net> References: <4c744625.6fca.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: <2059726C-A61C-4C47-9D4E-1ED4D68A4ACD@att.net> Sounds like Alpine seats--Series IV vs Series V. Allan Ballard MK1A Tiger Series IV Alpine On Aug 24, 2010, at 6:22 PM, rande wrote: > Hi, > > Mr Parlanti is correct about the seat cushions. My 1A (#48)seats have the individual > rubber straps, while the Mark II is the single diaphram style for each seat. > > > As for the seat sliders, left and right are different, but the parts cataloque > lists them as the same two part numbers for Alpine Series IV and newer, and > by extension, all Tigers. Check with Mike in Florida, Gary Schotland in New > Jersey, or maybe Jerry C. in Texas, they usually deal in used Tiger and Alpine > parts. Also, if you need substantial parts of seats (like, for instance, the > whole darn seat) things like these end up on eBay sometimes. > > I'll defer to others who have more seat part swapping knowledge. Looking at > the cataloque info for the seat cushion, it seems like the Alpine Series IV > frame supercedes to the later number listed for the Series V. The seat back > frame(squab frame) is the same number for Series III through Series V and Tiger, > left or right. > > RB > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net From cbowland at msn.com Tue Aug 24 17:55:55 2010 From: cbowland at msn.com (Curt Bowland) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:55:55 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Parts needed Message-ID: Thought I might start my search with the list. I am presently looking for FMOCO part number C5ZZ-6392-A, SBF 6 bolt scattershield. Also looking for a five bolt K series Hipo 289 block. Please contact me off list if you have or know of where I might find these items. Thanks, Curt From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Aug 24 17:59:15 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:59:15 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Seats and Parts In-Reply-To: <1443014510.457478.1282690528122.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1443014510.457478.1282690528122.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: People fit series 1 mazda MX5 seats (miata in usa i think) some are even heated and have speakers in the headrests. People have used saab seats from a 900 (not sure what model) Then there are aftermarket seats like recaros that fit.. and more classic options.. like cobra classic buckets cobeau classics and similare.. be mindful of width. I have the corba classics in my alpine and spoke about these on the list a month or so back as another lister (i think sandy granz sp?) was going to use them. On 25 August 2010 08:55, wrote: > Tigers, > > > I'm wondering if anyone has used seats in their Tiger other than the > originals. Some time ago, someone told me they had used the seats from a BMW > M3. Does anyone have a recommendation? > > > Also, I have a used Performer manifold (SBF) and a Carter Competition > Series 600cfm carb I recently took off my Mk1A if anyone is interested in > making me an offer. > > > Tym McDowell > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Aug 24 18:11:53 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:11:53 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] seat frames and seat slides In-Reply-To: <2059726C-A61C-4C47-9D4E-1ED4D68A4ACD@att.net> References: <4c744625.6fca.0@thecia.net> <2059726C-A61C-4C47-9D4E-1ED4D68A4ACD@att.net> Message-ID: Allan, The SIV vs V alpine seat is the same as the MKI v MKIA issue as they were occuring at the same time.. its the same for cross over bodies and the transition from SIV to SV.. basically as the alpine shell and interior spec changed so did the Tiger as they were inherantly linked. On 25 August 2010 09:13, Allan Ballard wrote: > Sounds like Alpine seats--Series IV vs Series V. > > > Allan Ballard > MK1A Tiger > Series IV Alpine > > On Aug 24, 2010, at 6:22 PM, rande wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Mr Parlanti is correct about the seat cushions. My 1A (#48)seats have the > individual > > rubber straps, while the Mark II is the single diaphram style for each > seat. > > > > > > As for the seat sliders, left and right are different, but the parts > cataloque > > lists them as the same two part numbers for Alpine Series IV and newer, > and > > by extension, all Tigers. Check with Mike in Florida, Gary Schotland in > New > > Jersey, or maybe Jerry C. in Texas, they usually deal in used Tiger and > Alpine > > parts. Also, if you need substantial parts of seats (like, for instance, > the > > whole darn seat) things like these end up on eBay sometimes. > > > > I'll defer to others who have more seat part swapping knowledge. Looking > at > > the cataloque info for the seat cushion, it seems like the Alpine Series > IV > > frame supercedes to the later number listed for the Series V. The seat > back > > frame(squab frame) is the same number for Series III through Series V and > Tiger, > > left or right. > > > > RB > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Aug 24 18:31:37 2010 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Seats and Parts In-Reply-To: <1443014510.457478.1282690528122.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1443014510.457478.1282690528122.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <91377.92474.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just picked up a couple of Cobra Classic buckets to replace the aged seats in my tiger. The look period and are pretty small so will fit. Michael King as I recall has a set and some pictures and it looks good so that is the way I am going to try. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "tym2 at comcast.net" To: Tiger's List Cc: tmcdowell at wethersfield.k12.ct.us Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 3:55:28 PM Subject: [Tigers] Seats and Parts Tigers, I'm wondering if anyone has used seats in their Tiger other than the originals. Some time ago, someone told me they had used the seats from a BMW M3. Does anyone have a recommendation? Also, I have a used Performer manifold (SBF) and a Carter Competition Series 600cfm carb I recently took off my Mk1A if anyone is interested in making me an offer. Tym McDowell _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz at pacbell.net From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Aug 24 18:33:46 2010 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 17:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Gear Ratio Calculator In-Reply-To: <713871.63184.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <713871.63184.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <387639.21877.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I also did an online one had has a few of the gearboxes that are in the tiger but not the T5's, but easy to use and web based with fun stuff to play with... http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/GearCalc.html ----- Original Message ---- From: Tony Somebody To: Tiger's Den ; Steve Laifman Cc: BOB HOKANSON Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 3:58:04 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gear Ratio Calculator THANKS Bob and Steve. You guys keep our lug nuts tight and our front ends aligned or at least up to date on any new methods.Appreciated, TtT Been reading a lot of messages about T-5, Tiger "close ratio' and "wide ratio" gearing, tire sizes, and speed in gears. Here is a "do-it-yourself" calculator that you can play with and make whatever comparisons you want: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/HokansonGearSpeedXL/pt-HokansonGearSpeedXL.asp _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz at pacbell.net From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Aug 24 18:48:19 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 20:48:19 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Seat Tracks & Frames In-Reply-To: <002a01cb43cc$33baca60$9b305f20$@net> Message-ID: <85FCBCBE1A7047C787FDE7E28981C252@ronpc1> Joel Joe put together a very good article on seat restoration and it is an excellent guide. I also highly recommend you take good notes and pictures while taking your seats apart; there are variations with the upholstery and how the seats are assembled. You may also want to add additional layers of foam or pads at high wear points. SS lists my seat upholstery as Type II; it has a 2 piece back cushion. The crossover period might be listed in the Alpine Parts List for Series V; the seats, Cushion and Squab frame, and seat slide is listed in the Body Fittings Section -YX. I believe the seat slide is the same from Series IV onward but I have not verified those part numbers. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Parlanti Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 4:37 PM To: 'Joel Martin'; 'Tiger List Serve' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Seat Tracks & Frames Joel, There were essentially 2 seat frame types in the Tiger. They are characterized by using either a single rubber diaphragm or multiple rubber straps to support the foam seat bottom. As I originally thought the changeover to the diaphragm type coincided with the introduction of the Mk1A. However, my car B382000026 used the earlier seats. Apparently, the first several hundred Mk1A crossover cars had the earlier seats. I'm not sure about the tracks, hopefully someone else will chime in on this question. BTW, I wrote an article some time ago describing the full restoration of the seats which may help. It can be found on the Tigers United site: http://tigersunited.com/techtips/ParlantiSeats/JoeParlantiSeatsPt1.asp Hope this helps, Joe Joseph V. Parlanti 1966 Tiger B38200002 1959 Abarth Zagato 750GT -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel Martin Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 3:27 PM To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Seat Tracks & Frames Are all seat frames and tracks created equal? 1966 MK1A would use which ones? Are they specific to just one or multiple years and what should I be looking for? Does anyone have a correct set they would be willing to part with? Thanks for your expertise and guidance. Joel Martin _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3089 - Release Date: 08/24/10 06:34:00 From rab65tiger at aol.com Tue Aug 24 18:50:45 2010 From: rab65tiger at aol.com (rab65tiger at aol.com) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 20:50:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Seats and Parts In-Reply-To: <1443014510.457478.1282690528122.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1443014510.457478.1282690528122.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CD1206AFB95417-FE8-4D30@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com> I used seats from a 90's Miata. I wanted the tall seat for safety. The Miata was not a direct bolt in, I made some adapter plates from I think 2" wide flat stock, and chopped off the mounting ears from the Miata seat tracks. Not all that difficult if I did it with a chop saw, drill press, counter sink, and taps. I liked the Miata seats because the size seemed to be the right proportions for the car, not to large, the seat back also tapered up, just seemed the dimensions were pretty good. I also got them at a self service wrecking yard on 1/2 price day for about $40.00 for the pair (had to look a bit to find fairly good seats-good covers, no rips etc.), and high quality seat covers are readily available. My car is far from stock, so I did not mind the change to tall bucket seats. Randy B -----Original Message----- From: tym2 at comcast.net To: Tiger's List Cc: tmcdowell at wethersfield.k12.ct.us Sent: Tue, Aug 24, 2010 3:55 pm Subject: [Tigers] Seats and Parts Tigers, I'm wondering if anyone has used seats in their Tiger other than the originals. Some time ago, someone told me they had used the seats from a BMW M3. Does anyone have a recommendation? Also, I have a used Performer manifold (SBF) and a Carter Competition Series 600cfm carb I recently took off my Mk1A if anyone is interested in making me an offer. Tym McDowell _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rab65tiger at aol.com From v8tracker at gmail.com Tue Aug 24 22:59:43 2010 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 23:59:43 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Parts needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Curt and group, According to George Reid's book, Ford Engine Parts Interchange, the K code engine block "was the same as the 289-2V and 289-4V block with the exception being wider, heavier main bearing caps." He also says that while the Hi-Po heads are unique castings, there are better heads available from Ford and the aftermarket now. The Hi-Po crankshafts were the regular 1M 289 crankshafts but were tested for hardness and have a Brinell test mark. However, the mark is easily faked so he says to be careful. My copy of the book is from 1998. It covers all the pushrod Ford V8 engines after the Y-block and has been useful as well as an interesting read. HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Curt Bowland > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 6:56 PM > To: Tiger Digest > Subject: [Tigers] Parts needed > > Thought I might start my search with the list. > > I am presently looking for FMOCO part number C5ZZ-6392-A, SBF > 6 bolt scattershield. > > Also looking for a five bolt K series Hipo 289 block. > > Please contact me off list if you have or know of where I > might find these items. > > Thanks, > > Curt > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker at gmail.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3092 - Release > Date: 08/24/10 10:31:00 From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com Wed Aug 25 06:41:35 2010 From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Clarkwgriswold) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 07:41:35 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Seats and Parts In-Reply-To: <91377.92474.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1443014510.457478.1282690528122.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <91377.92474.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4EF9FDBB-673F-4715-A849-1CE43DDECB11@gmail.com> Friends... If anyone is interested in a cobra replica style seats, let me know. I am a cobra and street rod replica parts dealer on eBay and with a small online store. I have only about 35 items or so listed but I can't get basically all the standard components that fit cobra manufactures like shell valley, backdraft, hunter, era and such. My suspension and chassis components are based off street rods and mustang II based systems, will not fit superformance and kirkham. Check it out at www.fenderboyhotrods.com I can't sell below my cost but I can cut a deal for my tiger buddies if there is anything you need. Sorry sandy if this info would have helped prior. I can send additional pics of the seats if you have any questions... Sorry I never really thought to offer. I didnt think the seats would fit, but I haven't tried myself. Cullen Sent from my mobile... On Aug 24, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Sandy Ganz wrote: > I just picked up a couple of Cobra Classic buckets to replace the aged seats in > my tiger. The look period and are pretty small so will fit. Michael King as I > recall has a set and some pictures and it looks good so that is the way I am > going to try. > > Sandy > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "tym2 at comcast.net" > To: Tiger's List > Cc: tmcdowell at wethersfield.k12.ct.us > Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 3:55:28 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Seats and Parts > > Tigers, > > > I'm wondering if anyone has used seats in their Tiger other than the originals. > Some time ago, someone told me they had used the seats from a BMW M3. Does > anyone have a recommendation? > > > > Also, I have a used Performer manifold (SBF) and a Carter Competition Series > 600cfm carb I recently took off my Mk1A if anyone is interested in making me an > offer. > > > > Tym McDowell > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz at pacbell.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Aug 25 06:45:52 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 08:45:52 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Parts needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <60FA48DF6BB441149392204DC82123AE@ronpc1> The 5 bolt HiPo blocks are casting numbers - C3AE-N and C4OE-C HiPo Head C4OE-B have the larger 1.78" intake valve The HiPo engine was a specially inspected and selection of parts. The HiPo crank damper, special counter weight and timing gear thickness are different for the HiPo compared to the regular 289. Can you make a near HiPo engine from a regular 289 - Yes, but a complete 289 HiPo engine with all its originally assembled parts would be preferred IMO. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of A. C. Tynes Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 1:00 AM To: 'Curt Bowland'; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Parts needed Curt and group, According to George Reid's book, Ford Engine Parts Interchange, the K code engine block "was the same as the 289-2V and 289-4V block with the exception being wider, heavier main bearing caps." He also says that while the Hi-Po heads are unique castings, there are better heads available from Ford and the aftermarket now. The Hi-Po crankshafts were the regular 1M 289 crankshafts but were tested for hardness and have a Brinell test mark. However, the mark is easily faked so he says to be careful. My copy of the book is from 1998. It covers all the pushrod Ford V8 engines after the Y-block and has been useful as well as an interesting read. HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Curt Bowland > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 6:56 PM > To: Tiger Digest > Subject: [Tigers] Parts needed > > Thought I might start my search with the list. > > I am presently looking for FMOCO part number C5ZZ-6392-A, SBF > 6 bolt scattershield. > > Also looking for a five bolt K series Hipo 289 block. > > Please contact me off list if you have or know of where I > might find these items. > > Thanks, > > Curt > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker at gmail.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3092 - Release > Date: 08/24/10 10:31:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3091 - Release Date: 08/24/10 06:34:00 From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Aug 25 07:14:44 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 23:14:44 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Seats and Parts In-Reply-To: <4EF9FDBB-673F-4715-A849-1CE43DDECB11@gmail.com> References: <1443014510.457478.1282690528122.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <91377.92474.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4EF9FDBB-673F-4715-A849-1CE43DDECB11@gmail.com> Message-ID: Cullen, The seats we are talking about are "COBRA" and "CORBEAU" brand and the model "Classic" .. your seats look like the original AC Cobra seats (i think ritchfield?) they look nice, but not sure they would work in an alpine/tiger as they are a little wider up top than what we might be able to fit. On 25/08/2010, Clarkwgriswold wrote: > Friends... If anyone is interested in a cobra replica style seats, let me > know. I am a cobra and street rod replica parts dealer on eBay and with a > small online store. > > I have only about 35 items or so listed but I can't get basically all the > standard components that fit cobra manufactures like shell valley, > backdraft, > hunter, era and such. My suspension and chassis components are based off > street rods and mustang II based systems, will not fit superformance and > kirkham. > > Check it out at www.fenderboyhotrods.com > > I can't sell below my cost but I can cut a deal for my tiger buddies if > there > is anything you need. Sorry sandy if this info would have helped prior. I > can > send additional pics of the seats if you have any questions... Sorry I never > really thought to offer. I didnt think the seats would fit, but I haven't > tried myself. > > > Cullen > > > Sent from my mobile... > > On Aug 24, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Sandy Ganz wrote: > >> I just picked up a couple of Cobra Classic buckets to replace the aged >> seats > in >> my tiger. The look period and are pretty small so will fit. Michael King >> as > I >> recall has a set and some pictures and it looks good so that is the way I >> am >> going to try. >> >> Sandy >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: "tym2 at comcast.net" >> To: Tiger's List >> Cc: tmcdowell at wethersfield.k12.ct.us >> Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 3:55:28 PM >> Subject: [Tigers] Seats and Parts >> >> Tigers, >> >> >> I'm wondering if anyone has used seats in their Tiger other than the > originals. >> Some time ago, someone told me they had used the seats from a BMW M3. Does >> anyone have a recommendation? >> >> >> >> Also, I have a used Performer manifold (SBF) and a Carter Competition >> Series >> 600cfm carb I recently took off my Mk1A if anyone is interested in making >> me > an >> offer. >> >> >> >> Tym McDowell >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz at pacbell.net >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From twojohnsons at cox.net Wed Aug 25 07:23:47 2010 From: twojohnsons at cox.net (Alvin Johnson) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:23:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] steering rack alternatives References: Message-ID: Beau, I recall reading something on this list awhile back about adapting the very similar but more readily available---and reputedly quicker---MG Midget rack to the Tiger. This might be a better way to go, if someone can resurrect that info. Al J ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 1:21 PM Subject: [Tigers] steering rack >A few months back someone on the list mention someone who rebuilds the > racks for the tiger. Does any one remember the guy? Mine is definitely > due. > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/twojohnsons at cox.net From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com Wed Aug 25 07:42:18 2010 From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Clarkwgriswold) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 08:42:18 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Seats and Parts In-Reply-To: References: <1443014510.457478.1282690528122.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <91377.92474.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4EF9FDBB-673F-4715-A849-1CE43DDECB11@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Michael... Yes I read corbeau the first time but then in sandy's post I'm pretty sure he typed cobra... So I thought maybe that's what you all were actually talking about. I agree though, unless someone has done it, I wouldn't expect them to fit. Thanks though for the clarification. Cullen Sent from my mobile... On Aug 25, 2010, at 8:14 AM, michael king wrote: > Cullen, > > The seats we are talking about are "COBRA" and "CORBEAU" brand and the > model "Classic" .. your seats look like the original AC Cobra seats (i > think ritchfield?) they look nice, but not sure they would work in an > alpine/tiger as they are a little wider up top than what we might be > able to fit. > > On 25/08/2010, Clarkwgriswold wrote: >> Friends... If anyone is interested in a cobra replica style seats, let me >> know. I am a cobra and street rod replica parts dealer on eBay and with a >> small online store. >> >> I have only about 35 items or so listed but I can't get basically all the >> standard components that fit cobra manufactures like shell valley, >> backdraft, >> hunter, era and such. My suspension and chassis components are based off >> street rods and mustang II based systems, will not fit superformance and >> kirkham. >> >> Check it out at www.fenderboyhotrods.com >> >> I can't sell below my cost but I can cut a deal for my tiger buddies if >> there >> is anything you need. Sorry sandy if this info would have helped prior. I >> can >> send additional pics of the seats if you have any questions... Sorry I never >> really thought to offer. I didnt think the seats would fit, but I haven't >> tried myself. >> >> >> Cullen >> >> >> Sent from my mobile... >> >> On Aug 24, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Sandy Ganz wrote: >> >>> I just picked up a couple of Cobra Classic buckets to replace the aged >>> seats >> in >>> my tiger. The look period and are pretty small so will fit. Michael King >>> as >> I >>> recall has a set and some pictures and it looks good so that is the way I >>> am >>> going to try. >>> >>> Sandy >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: "tym2 at comcast.net" >>> To: Tiger's List >>> Cc: tmcdowell at wethersfield.k12.ct.us >>> Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 3:55:28 PM >>> Subject: [Tigers] Seats and Parts >>> >>> Tigers, >>> >>> >>> I'm wondering if anyone has used seats in their Tiger other than the >> originals. >>> Some time ago, someone told me they had used the seats from a BMW M3. Does >>> anyone have a recommendation? >>> >>> >>> >>> Also, I have a used Performer manifold (SBF) and a Carter Competition >>> Series >>> 600cfm carb I recently took off my Mk1A if anyone is interested in making >>> me >> an >>> offer. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tym McDowell >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tigers at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz at pacbell.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tigers at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com >> >> > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com Wed Aug 25 07:43:21 2010 From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Clarkwgriswold) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 08:43:21 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Seats and Parts In-Reply-To: References: <1443014510.457478.1282690528122.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <91377.92474.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4EF9FDBB-673F-4715-A849-1CE43DDECB11@gmail.com> Message-ID: <358000F9-5F09-492C-8669-5CC950BDBC26@gmail.com> Oh... Cobra brand... I'm very sorry... I didn't even know there was such a thing. My bad.... Sorry guys!! Sent from my mobile... On Aug 25, 2010, at 8:14 AM, michael king wrote: > Cullen, > > The seats we are talking about are "COBRA" and "CORBEAU" brand and the > model "Classic" .. your seats look like the original AC Cobra seats (i > think ritchfield?) they look nice, but not sure they would work in an > alpine/tiger as they are a little wider up top than what we might be > able to fit. > > On 25/08/2010, Clarkwgriswold wrote: >> Friends... If anyone is interested in a cobra replica style seats, let me >> know. I am a cobra and street rod replica parts dealer on eBay and with a >> small online store. >> >> I have only about 35 items or so listed but I can't get basically all the >> standard components that fit cobra manufactures like shell valley, >> backdraft, >> hunter, era and such. My suspension and chassis components are based off >> street rods and mustang II based systems, will not fit superformance and >> kirkham. >> >> Check it out at www.fenderboyhotrods.com >> >> I can't sell below my cost but I can cut a deal for my tiger buddies if >> there >> is anything you need. Sorry sandy if this info would have helped prior. I >> can >> send additional pics of the seats if you have any questions... Sorry I never >> really thought to offer. I didnt think the seats would fit, but I haven't >> tried myself. >> >> >> Cullen >> >> >> Sent from my mobile... >> >> On Aug 24, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Sandy Ganz wrote: >> >>> I just picked up a couple of Cobra Classic buckets to replace the aged >>> seats >> in >>> my tiger. The look period and are pretty small so will fit. Michael King >>> as >> I >>> recall has a set and some pictures and it looks good so that is the way I >>> am >>> going to try. >>> >>> Sandy >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: "tym2 at comcast.net" >>> To: Tiger's List >>> Cc: tmcdowell at wethersfield.k12.ct.us >>> Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 3:55:28 PM >>> Subject: [Tigers] Seats and Parts >>> >>> Tigers, >>> >>> >>> I'm wondering if anyone has used seats in their Tiger other than the >> originals. >>> Some time ago, someone told me they had used the seats from a BMW M3. Does >>> anyone have a recommendation? >>> >>> >>> >>> Also, I have a used Performer manifold (SBF) and a Carter Competition >>> Series >>> 600cfm carb I recently took off my Mk1A if anyone is interested in making >>> me >> an >>> offer. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tym McDowell >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tigers at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz at pacbell.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tigers at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com >> >> > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Wed Aug 25 08:00:55 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:00:55 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] steering rack alternatives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The place to start regarding the MG Midget rack: Dale's Restorations, http://www.dalesresto.com/parts.html .Dale sells an adapter kit to fit the Midget rack to the Tiger. It requires MGB steering arms (which have to be adapted - read: drilled, ground down) to fit the Sunbeam spindles. The end result, though is it improves (not corrects completely) the Tiger's legendary Ackerman steering problems. Also see the writeup Tim Suddard did in Classic Motorsports. As to readily available.... maybe, but not cheap; VickyBrit sells them; see the catalog for prices. Tom On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Alvin Johnson wrote: > Beau, I recall reading something on this list awhile back about adapting > the very similar but more readily available---and reputedly quicker---MG > Midget rack to the Tiger. > This might be a better way to go, if someone can resurrect that info. > Al J > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 1:21 PM > Subject: [Tigers] steering rack > > > A few months back someone on the list mention someone who rebuilds the >> racks for the tiger. Does any one remember the guy? Mine is definitely >> due. >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/twojohnsons at cox.net >> > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From jaars at emailmv.com Wed Aug 25 08:03:20 2010 From: jaars at emailmv.com (Robert Jaarsma) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:03:20 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Seat Tracks & Frames In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <14D07DA0FF4649A7931598C849CE5675@userqlmt4f4s6s> Are these seat frame tracks used on any other cars?? I modified Alpine tracks very slightly to fit in my Sunbeam Venezia, which has Italian Touring seats and German hardware. Robert Jaarsma From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Aug 25 09:25:10 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:25:10 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Seat Tracks & Frames In-Reply-To: <14D07DA0FF4649A7931598C849CE5675@userqlmt4f4s6s> Message-ID: <860111B4AEFE4FC9B79A2C6656C1895E@ronpc1> Robert That is a good question. You would need to look through Rootes parts Lists for part numbers to determine multiple use. Here is the information I have. Alpine SI, II & Harrington LeMans 2207774 RH 227775 LH SIII 2220786 RH 2220787 LH SIV 2228926 RH 2228927 LH Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Jaarsma Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:03 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Seat Tracks & Frames Are these seat frame tracks used on any other cars?? I modified Alpine tracks very slightly to fit in my Sunbeam Venezia, which has Italian Touring seats and German hardware. Robert Jaarsma _______________________________________________ From mark.rense at ge.com Wed Aug 25 09:48:48 2010 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:48:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Alternate Rear End Gears Message-ID: Speaking of gear ratios, has anyone ever found a Dana 44/Salisbury rear end ratio LOWER than the 2.88:1 ratio in our stock differentials? I searched the web and found ratios as high as 5.89:1 (imagine, a top speed of 74 MPH at 6000 RPM, but would you get there fast!). Assuming you convert your Toploader to the wide ratio (2.78 1st) gear set, dropping to a 2.66:1 rear gear set would still give you a better launch off the line yet drop your 4th gear cruising RPM about 300 rpm, so for a 205/50R15 tire, you would be doing 2700 RPM instead of the 3000 RPM with the stock 2.88:1 ratio. Why ask this, you say? Well, my stroker motors push out over 400 ft-lbs, and the five speed T5s that fit inside the Tiger tunnel are not capable of handling that level of torque unlike our faithful Toploader. Plus with that amount of low end grunt the car will launch off the line hard in pretty much any gear you choose. Any thoughts? Bugz From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Aug 25 10:11:57 2010 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Seats and Parts In-Reply-To: <358000F9-5F09-492C-8669-5CC950BDBC26@gmail.com> References: <1443014510.457478.1282690528122.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <91377.92474.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4EF9FDBB-673F-4715-A849-1CE43DDECB11@gmail.com> <358000F9-5F09-492C-8669-5CC950BDBC26@gmail.com> Message-ID: <945759.2270.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cullen - Yep, Cobra brand. Make it difficult to find on the web as all you find is Cobra replica seats ;). Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Clarkwgriswold To: michael king Cc: Sandy Ganz ; "tigers at autox.team.net" Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 6:43:21 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Seats and Parts Oh... Cobra brand... I'm very sorry... I didn't even know there was such a thing. My bad.... Sorry guys!! Sent from my mobile... On Aug 25, 2010, at 8:14 AM, michael king wrote: > Cullen, > > The seats we are talking about are "COBRA" and "CORBEAU" brand and the > model "Classic" .. your seats look like the original AC Cobra seats (i > think ritchfield?) they look nice, but not sure they would work in an > alpine/tiger as they are a little wider up top than what we might be > able to fit. > > On 25/08/2010, Clarkwgriswold wrote: >> Friends... If anyone is interested in a cobra replica style seats, let me >> know. I am a cobra and street rod replica parts dealer on eBay and with a >> small online store. >> >> I have only about 35 items or so listed but I can't get basically all the >> standard components that fit cobra manufactures like shell valley, >> backdraft, >> hunter, era and such. My suspension and chassis components are based off >> street rods and mustang II based systems, will not fit superformance and >> kirkham. >> >> Check it out at www.fenderboyhotrods.com >> >> I can't sell below my cost but I can cut a deal for my tiger buddies if >> there >> is anything you need. Sorry sandy if this info would have helped prior. I >> can >> send additional pics of the seats if you have any questions... Sorry I never >> really thought to offer. I didnt think the seats would fit, but I haven't >> tried myself. >> >> >> Cullen >> >> >> Sent from my mobile... >> >> On Aug 24, 2010, at 7:31 PM, Sandy Ganz wrote: >> >>> I just picked up a couple of Cobra Classic buckets to replace the aged >>> seats >> in >>> my tiger. The look period and are pretty small so will fit. Michael King >>> as >> I >>> recall has a set and some pictures and it looks good so that is the way I >>> am >>> going to try. >>> >>> Sandy >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: "tym2 at comcast.net" >>> To: Tiger's List >>> Cc: tmcdowell at wethersfield.k12.ct.us >>> Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 3:55:28 PM >>> Subject: [Tigers] Seats and Parts >>> >>> Tigers, >>> >>> >>> I'm wondering if anyone has used seats in their Tiger other than the >> originals. >>> Some time ago, someone told me they had used the seats from a BMW M3. Does >>> anyone have a recommendation? >>> >>> >>> >>> Also, I have a used Performer manifold (SBF) and a Carter Competition >>> Series >>> 600cfm carb I recently took off my Mk1A if anyone is interested in making >>> me >> an >>> offer. >>> >>> >>> >>> Tym McDowell >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tigers at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz at pacbell.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tigers at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com >> >> > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Aug 25 11:11:25 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:11:25 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Alternate Rear End Gears In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <71972E31E13841CE9DD91F975785AADC@ronpc1> Bugz The early Fox body Mustang had an overdrive 4 speed toploader. I'm not sure of the torque level these gears can take. I believe the Fox body toploader had an aluminum body but the overdrive gear set can be install into the cast iron case. Hot Rod Magazine Sept 1982 has an article about this; Top Loaded For Bear. Aluminum 20% OD, Granada EODR-7003-AA Aluminum 30% OD, V8 E2ZR-7003-AA OD toploaders were made by Tremac in Mexico and the article refers to Stick Only of Sun Valley California. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light) Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 11:49 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Alternate Rear End Gears Speaking of gear ratios, has anyone ever found a Dana 44/Salisbury rear end ratio LOWER than the 2.88:1 ratio in our stock differentials? I searched the web and found ratios as high as 5.89:1 (imagine, a top speed of 74 MPH at 6000 RPM, but would you get there fast!). Assuming you convert your Toploader to the wide ratio (2.78 1st) gear set, dropping to a 2.66:1 rear gear set would still give you a better launch off the line yet drop your 4th gear cruising RPM about 300 rpm, so for a 205/50R15 tire, you would be doing 2700 RPM instead of the 3000 RPM with the stock 2.88:1 ratio. Why ask this, you say? Well, my stroker motors push out over 400 ft-lbs, and the five speed T5s that fit inside the Tiger tunnel are not capable of handling that level of torque unlike our faithful Toploader. Plus with that amount of low end grunt the car will launch off the line hard in pretty much any gear you choose. Any thoughts? Bugz From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Aug 25 11:37:18 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:37:18 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Alternate Rear End Gears References: Message-ID: Mark, Are there any alternatives to the T-5? The Corvette/Viper T-56??? I often see people change gear ratios when in effect a tire size change will do the same thing. At the least, what you might do is scrounge up a taller wheel/tire for testing your idea. Do the math and see if say... a 215-70-15 tire would fit. I'm on the other side of your idea. Jeep used a Toploader (T-178) that had a 3.01 first and evenly spaced gears (unlike the overdrive Toploader - which was very weak). My idea was to use taller tires to effectively get the 3.01 first gear closer to the equivalent 2.78 of a wide ratio. On the other end the 1 to 1 ratio of 4th gear would be the equivalent of an overdrive. However, the T-178 seems to be very hard to find (especially at Pick A Part prices). 400 Ft.Lb's sound nice. Hope you can find the difference maker in ratios to make it all work Tom From rab65tiger at aol.com Wed Aug 25 12:03:41 2010 From: rab65tiger at aol.com (rab65tiger at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:03:41 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Alternate Rear End Gears In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CD1296FC5BACBF-19D8-C49@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> -Original Message----- I wonder what the torque rating of the Z spec T5, or some of the custom built race T5 are at a gross weight of about 3000lbs. versus I suspect 4000lbs probably utilized in the factory calculations. I am not an engineer, but the torque rating has to be based on a gross load factor (gross weight of car plus some amount for passenger and contents), I would think the Tiger would have a gross load about 1000lbs. less than a fox mustang? Does any one have the specifics on how transmission torque ratings are derived? If it were a simple direct linear comparison a 3000lb. versus 4000lb. would give the transmission a 25% higher torque capacity in a Tiger versus a mustang, or 330 to just over 400 ft lbs. Is there any merit to my thought process? Randy B and the five speed T5s that fit inside the Tiger tunnel are not capable of handling that level of torque unlike our faithful Toploader. Plus with that amount of low end grunt the car will launch off the line hard in pretty much any gear you choose. Any thoughts? _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rab65tiger at aol.com From jim at island.net Wed Aug 25 12:39:31 2010 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:39:31 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Alternate Rear End Gears In-Reply-To: <8CD1296FC5BACBF-19D8-C49@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD1296FC5BACBF-19D8-C49@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <058BB74A8931470F9781FBF93DB12D8D@JIMPC> There's a good article on the T5's history here... http://www.moderndriveline.com/Technical_Bits/t5_history.htm Here's what they say about the 'Z-spec'... The "Z" Spec T-5 In 1993 Ford started offering a new service unit to the motorsport crowd. The "Z" spec T-5 (Ford part number 7003Z, also sometimes referred to as "World Class T-5". Most folks, associate the term "World Class" as meaning the best, however world class T-5 were introduced in 1985 as stated ealier. The T-5z is a 1993 Cobra T-5 with 2.95 first gear set and .63 over drive. It has the best of everything. Hardened gears, short throw factory shifter, steel front bearing retainer, and tapered output shaft bearing ands a seven tooth speedometer gear. Best of all it has a torque rating of 330ft/lbs based on 100,000 mile usage. The stock T-5Z can handle up to 450 hp when not drag raced. I've been running a 'z-spec' in my Tiger for a couple years now. I changed the OD to .73 and the car has a 3.54 posi, 245/50 tires (23.6" tall)and about 400hp. I've had no problems at all with it and I've run it pretty hard including autocross. I also use a Centerforce 'dual friction' clutch which I really like... Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rab65tiger at aol.com Sent: August 25, 2010 11:04 AM To: mark.rense at ge.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alternate Rear End Gears -Original Message----- I wonder what the torque rating of the Z spec T5, or some of the custom built race T5 are at a gross weight of about 3000lbs. versus I suspect 4000lbs probably utilized in the factory calculations. I am not an engineer, but the torque rating has to be based on a gross load factor (gross weight of car plus some amount for passenger and contents), I would think the Tiger would have a gross load about 1000lbs. less than a fox mustang? Does any one have the specifics on how transmission torque ratings are derived? If it were a simple direct linear comparison a 3000lb. versus 4000lb. would give the transmission a 25% higher torque capacity in a Tiger versus a mustang, or 330 to just over 400 ft lbs. Is there any merit to my thought process? Randy B and the five speed T5s that fit inside the Tiger tunnel are not capable of handling that level of torque unlike our faithful Toploader. Plus with that amount of low end grunt the car will launch off the line hard in pretty much any gear you choose. Any thoughts? From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 25 14:23:46 2010 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Hone - O - Drive for an Alternate Rear Message-ID: <274186.52559.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "Why ask this, you say? Well, my stroker motors push out over 400 ft-lbs, and the five speed T5s that fit inside the Tiger tunnel are not capable of handling that level of torque unlike our faithful Toploader. Plus with that amount of low end grunt the car will launch off the line hard in pretty much any gear you choose. Any thoughts?" Back in the day they made just what you needed: Hone - O - Drive! Here is a link: http://www.stangerssite.com/honeodrive.html Hone - O Drive came in two types, one that bolted directly to a Ford differential (don't know if you could bolt it on the Tiger differential) and one that installed in line with your drive shaft and differential. You shifted into overdrive via a lever that was mounted in the car. I'm sure they could take the HP you are making since they installed them in Baldwin Motion cars of the 1970's. Jeff Jeff From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Sun Aug 22 09:46:48 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:46:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ... but I found this via a simple Google Search! Fo figger! Tom http://www.teae.org/cooling/cooling_article.html On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Tom Parker wrote: > Ron, > > I looked too. It ain't there. Maybe another site? > > TE/AE mentioned two things not mentioned so far: sealing the gap between > the cross member and the radiator (Possibly no more effective than the "Chin > Spoiler" you mentioned.) and an electric fan. (I'm assuming a pusher fan > because the distance between the stock radiator and the fan pulley (without > the fan) is, well, a bit close. I've read a few articles, probably in Tigers > United, about electric fans. A good place to start. > > For those of us without fan shrouds, making one out of something like roof > flashing doesn't look like it's too daunting. It's difficult to enclose the > bottom of the shroud because of the steering rack, and challenging to block > the driver's side (LHD) horn hole if there's an oil cooler installed like in > the Mark 2. Once again, though, flashing could be made to close as much of > the gap as possible there, and completely close the other side. A bit > cheaper than the plates offered on E-Bay. > > Tom > ' 67 Mark 2 under re-construction. > > > On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > >> Allan >> There are numerous fixes for cooling problems if you really have a >> cooling problem. >> >> The horn plates are suppose to work >> >> TE/AE did a long study on this subject; it was on the TE/AE web site but >> the >> last time I looked, I did not find it. >> >> Top hitters for cooling >> >> Chin spoiler under the radiator to create negative pressure behind the >> radiator >> >> Complete the fan surround to draw more air through the radiator >> >> 6 blade fan for more air flow >> >> If someone knows where that TE/AE study is located; please post the web >> address. >> >> Ron Fraser >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net >> ] >> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard >> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:05 PM >> To: Landcmitch at aol.com >> Cc: alpines at autox.team.net; JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net; >> tigers at autox.team.net; >> ZForce56 at aol.com >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes >> >> >> Good one :) >> >> I have read that blanking off the horn holes will help cool the engine. >> >> Is that true? >> >> Plates for that purpose are offered on ebay from time to time. >> >> Allan Ballard >> MK1a Tiger >> Series IV Alpine >> >> >> On Aug 21, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Landcmitch at aol.com wrote: >> >> > ...it was an April Fool's joke on future generations of Tiger owners. >> > >> > Charlie >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Tigers at autox.team.net >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3083 - Release Date: 08/20/10 >> 06:35:00 >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Sun Aug 22 09:36:16 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:36:16 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ron, I looked too. It ain't there. Maybe another site? TE/AE mentioned two things not mentioned so far: sealing the gap between the cross member and the radiator (Possibly no more effective than the "Chin Spoiler" you mentioned.) and an electric fan. (I'm assuming a pusher fan because the distance between the stock radiator and the fan pulley (without the fan) is, well, a bit close. I've read a few articles, probably in Tigers United, about electric fans. A good place to start. For those of us without fan shrouds, making one out of something like roof flashing doesn't look like it's too daunting. It's difficult to enclose the bottom of the shroud because of the steering rack, and challenging to block the driver's side (LHD) horn hole if there's an oil cooler installed like in the Mark 2. Once again, though, flashing could be made to close as much of the gap as possible there, and completely close the other side. A bit cheaper than the plates offered on E-Bay. Tom ' 67 Mark 2 under re-construction. On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Allan > There are numerous fixes for cooling problems if you really have a > cooling problem. > > The horn plates are suppose to work > > TE/AE did a long study on this subject; it was on the TE/AE web site but > the > last time I looked, I did not find it. > > Top hitters for cooling > > Chin spoiler under the radiator to create negative pressure behind the > radiator > > Complete the fan surround to draw more air through the radiator > > 6 blade fan for more air flow > > If someone knows where that TE/AE study is located; please post the web > address. > > Ron Fraser > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Allan Ballard > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:05 PM > To: Landcmitch at aol.com > Cc: alpines at autox.team.net; JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net; tigers at autox.team.net > ; > ZForce56 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes > > > Good one :) > > I have read that blanking off the horn holes will help cool the engine. > > Is that true? > > Plates for that purpose are offered on ebay from time to time. > > Allan Ballard > MK1a Tiger > Series IV Alpine > > > On Aug 21, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Landcmitch at aol.com wrote: > > > ...it was an April Fool's joke on future generations of Tiger owners. > > > > Charlie > > _______________________________________________ > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3083 - Release Date: 08/20/10 > 06:35:00 > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From Landcmitch at aol.com Wed Aug 25 17:23:26 2010 From: Landcmitch at aol.com (Landcmitch at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:23:26 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Hone - O - Drive for an Alternate Rear Message-ID: <9e806.29229043.39a6ffee@aol.com> Check this one. The drive shaft would be mighty short, however. $2,900... _www.gearvendors.com_ (http://www.gearvendors.com) Charlie From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Aug 25 19:54:51 2010 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:54:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Alternate Rear End Gears In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <190491.68714.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The T56 is a bigger box. The Tremec TKO/3550 is also a bigger box, both are ok transmissions (They have upgraded both I believe to newer models as well) For the TKO it is big at the top of the tunnel and I just removed one out of my '65 Mustang as it has bad driveline angles unless you cut up the transmission tunnel on the car. I ended up removing it for a Tex Racing T101A, and that is another story. I have not had my hands on a T56 but the TKO/3550's are very square and that is where they have issues with fit on the top of the tunnel. I think they may have a newer model that is more compact but I have not been look at them for a while. The one gearbox that many people forget about is the Doug Nash/Richmond gear 4+1 and 5+1. The early ones were just 5 speeds with 1:1 final but later boxes do have overdrive. I have the old Doug Nash in a Cobra and it looks like it would tuck in better then the Tremec's since the case is more round but not 100% sure. It is not an inexpensive gearbox but is pretty durable. The Shifter would be a concern as the tail shaft is pretty narrow on a Tiger top loader (And mustang T10) so gettting a shifter back in the same spot would also be part of the measuring exercise. For T5's I think they made a couple World Class that were a bit beefier, but have no experience with them. Also if you do use a Chevy gearbox on a ford you will need appropriate bellhousing and crank pilot bearing. The Tex Racing T101A is a chevy bolted to a tilton bell with a chevy trans pattern and dimension. Other stuff such as trans mounts will need work too. Here is a link, in the vid you can see a TKO that was pulled from my car. http://www.adamcarolla.com/CarCastBlog/2010/05/07/the-ripper-transmission-swa p-part-1/ Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Thomas Witt To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 10:37:18 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alternate Rear End Gears Mark, Are there any alternatives to the T-5? The Corvette/Viper T-56??? I often see people change gear ratios when in effect a tire size change will do the same thing. At the least, what you might do is scrounge up a taller wheel/tire for testing your idea. Do the math and see if say... a 215-70-15 tire would fit. I'm on the other side of your idea. Jeep used a Toploader (T-178) that had a 3.01 first and evenly spaced gears (unlike the overdrive Toploader - which was very weak). My idea was to use taller tires to effectively get the 3.01 first gear closer to the equivalent 2.78 of a wide ratio. On the other end the 1 to 1 ratio of 4th gear would be the equivalent of an overdrive. However, the T-178 seems to be very hard to find (especially at Pick A Part prices). 400 Ft.Lb's sound nice. Hope you can find the difference maker in ratios to make it all work Tom _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz at pacbell.net From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Aug 25 20:03:01 2010 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Alternate Rear End Gears In-Reply-To: <8CD1296FC5BACBF-19D8-C49@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD1296FC5BACBF-19D8-C49@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <423260.18492.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I would bet a T5 would be fine in a Tiger, also consider that the tires are a torque fuse. Don't know what the mustang had back in the day, but the Tiger you likely looking at 205's as a big tire and not a lot of driveline load IMO. Yet I'll run still 1350 U Joints. Forgot to mention this (I'm sure it has been brought up before) The Gear Vendors overdrive which like anything in a tiger would be a tight fit problem. http://www.gearvendors.com/aghr4sm.html Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "rab65tiger at aol.com" To: mark.rense at ge.com; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 11:03:41 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alternate Rear End Gears -Original Message----- I wonder what the torque rating of the Z spec T5, or some of the custom built race T5 are at a gross weight of about 3000lbs. versus I suspect 4000lbs probably utilized in the factory calculations. I am not an engineer, but the torque rating has to be based on a gross load factor (gross weight of car plus some amount for passenger and contents), I would think the Tiger would have a gross load about 1000lbs. less than a fox mustang? Does any one have the specifics on how transmission torque ratings are derived? If it were a simple direct linear comparison a 3000lb. versus 4000lb. would give the transmission a 25% higher torque capacity in a Tiger versus a mustang, or 330 to just over 400 ft lbs. Is there any merit to my thought process? Randy B and the five speed T5s that fit inside the Tiger tunnel are not capable of handling that level of torque unlike our faithful Toploader. Plus with that amount of low end grunt the car will launch off the line hard in pretty much any gear you choose. Any thoughts? _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rab65tiger at aol.com _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz at pacbell.net From dsp781 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 25 21:01:11 2010 From: dsp781 at hotmail.com (Dexter Polistock) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 23:01:11 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Need Missing Trim MK II Rocker Molding Message-ID: To All, 67 MK II left hand rocker stainless steel trim needed either NOS or used. Please advise if you have or where to locate and price. Will consider right hand trim also. Thanks - - Dexter From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Sun Aug 22 09:46:48 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:46:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ... but I found this via a simple Google Search! Fo figger! Tom http://www.teae.org/cooling/cooling_article.html On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Tom Parker wrote: > Ron, > > I looked too. It ain't there. Maybe another site? > > TE/AE mentioned two things not mentioned so far: sealing the gap between > the cross member and the radiator (Possibly no more effective than the "Chin > Spoiler" you mentioned.) and an electric fan. (I'm assuming a pusher fan > because the distance between the stock radiator and the fan pulley (without > the fan) is, well, a bit close. I've read a few articles, probably in Tigers > United, about electric fans. A good place to start. > > For those of us without fan shrouds, making one out of something like roof > flashing doesn't look like it's too daunting. It's difficult to enclose the > bottom of the shroud because of the steering rack, and challenging to block > the driver's side (LHD) horn hole if there's an oil cooler installed like in > the Mark 2. Once again, though, flashing could be made to close as much of > the gap as possible there, and completely close the other side. A bit > cheaper than the plates offered on E-Bay. > > Tom > ' 67 Mark 2 under re-construction. > > > On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > >> Allan >> There are numerous fixes for cooling problems if you really have a >> cooling problem. >> >> The horn plates are suppose to work >> >> TE/AE did a long study on this subject; it was on the TE/AE web site but >> the >> last time I looked, I did not find it. >> >> Top hitters for cooling >> >> Chin spoiler under the radiator to create negative pressure behind the >> radiator >> >> Complete the fan surround to draw more air through the radiator >> >> 6 blade fan for more air flow >> >> If someone knows where that TE/AE study is located; please post the web >> address. >> >> Ron Fraser >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net >> ] >> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard >> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:05 PM >> To: Landcmitch at aol.com >> Cc: alpines at autox.team.net; JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net; >> tigers at autox.team.net; >> ZForce56 at aol.com >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossover body Mk1 & front end w/ no horn holes >> >> >> Good one :) >> >> I have read that blanking off the horn holes will help cool the engine. >> >> Is that true? >> >> Plates for that purpose are offered on ebay from time to time. >> >> Allan Ballard >> MK1a Tiger >> Series IV Alpine >> >> >> On Aug 21, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Landcmitch at aol.com wrote: >> >> > ...it was an April Fool's joke on future generations of Tiger owners. >> > >> > Charlie >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Tigers at autox.team.net >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/allanballard at att.net >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3083 - Release Date: 08/20/10 >> 06:35:00 >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From rande at thecia.net Thu Aug 26 06:23:34 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:23:34 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] K motor parts Message-ID: <4c765cc6.4925.0@thecia.net> Hi, You were inquiring about a five bolt 'K' motor block, and no, I don't have one for sale. You may already have this link: www.mustangmonthly.com/techarticles/mump_0812_how_to_rebuild_a_289_hi_po_engine/index.html This a tech article about rebuilding a 'K' motor (in this case a 66 GT350) and it may also list what special parts to acquire that differ from an A (225hp) or C (200hp) block. This link was from an earlier Tiger list posting. RB From spmdr at juno.com Thu Aug 26 07:53:45 2010 From: spmdr at juno.com (spmdr at juno.com) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 06:53:45 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] T-5 trans stuff Message-ID: <20100826.065354.2368.2.spmdr@juno.com> Having a few years of playing with T-5s, I have some comments on the Modern Driveline article. Based On the several trips to the wrecking yards, IF the early T-5s "should use 70 wt oil" there are a LOT of somebodies putting ATF in them!!! I have rarely seen other than ATF in a T-5, ANY T-5! AND early articles have mentioned the ATF INTENT for low drag properties, as well as the ORIGINAL use for the T-5 NOT being with a V8. That is NOT to say the ATF plan was a good one, with a V8... But, using ATF in an early T-5 is certainly NOT the end of the world! Some rebuilders recommend engine oil. As far as I am concerned, it's a CYA deal! Other statements in the article are arguable but the basic info is there, more or less. "T-5s forever" DW ____________________________________________________________ Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c76725063f1f149ef8m07vuc From jmartiniii at yahoo.com Thu Aug 26 12:03:44 2010 From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Seat Tracks & Frames In-Reply-To: <002a01cb43cc$33baca60$9b305f20$@net> References: <876158.99045.qm@web38105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002a01cb43cc$33baca60$9b305f20$@net> Message-ID: <723264.7349.qm@web38102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Joe Your article is excellent - thanks for taking the time to complete. All So here is what I have learned, please correct if I do not have something right. Seat Tracks Alpine Series IV and newer - all tigers, seat tracks are the same, left and right are different. Seat Back Frames Seat back frames are the same for Series II through Series 5 Alpines or Tigers, left and right are different. Seat Bottom Frames Early seat frames used a rubber strap type which hooked directly to the frame up to some point in the MK1A time frame. My car, B382002193, should use the rubber diaphragm, by all calculations - so I gather that the 'bottom' frame is different than the one that uses the rubber straps Crossover point for MK1A & MKII tigers used a rubber diaphragm type. So I gather these would NOT have holes to fit the rubber straps? Does anyone have any good pictures, which would show the differences between rubber strap version version later diaphragm type? Thanks Joel Martin From tgrrr at peoplepc.com Thu Aug 26 12:36:34 2010 From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:36:34 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] T-5 trans stuff References: <20100826.065354.2368.2.spmdr@juno.com> Message-ID: I found that the shifting improved dramatically when I went from ATF to Redline MTL in my T-5. Bob H ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:53 AM Subject: [Tigers] T-5 trans stuff > Having a few years of playing with T-5s, I have some comments on the > Modern Driveline article. > > Based On the several trips to the wrecking yards, IF the early T-5s > "should use 70 wt oil" there are a LOT of somebodies putting ATF in > them!!! > > I have rarely seen other than ATF in a T-5, ANY T-5! > > AND early articles have mentioned the ATF INTENT for low drag properties, > as well as the ORIGINAL use for the T-5 NOT being with a V8. > > That is NOT to say the ATF plan was a good one, with a V8... > > But, using ATF in an early T-5 is certainly NOT the end of the world! > > Some rebuilders recommend engine oil. As far as I am concerned, it's a > CYA deal! > > Other statements in the article are arguable but the basic info is there, > more or less. > > "T-5s forever" > > DW From rab65tiger at aol.com Thu Aug 26 14:42:32 2010 From: rab65tiger at aol.com (rab65tiger at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:42:32 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Front wheel bearings and seals Message-ID: <8CD137657D081C5-12C0-3327@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com> Is there a readily available Part numbers for front wheel bearings and seals, that I could get at a bearing house, or good auto parts store. I could go to S.S. or Classic, I am trying to go pick up locally right away? Randy B From v8tracker at gmail.com Thu Aug 26 15:48:25 2010 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 16:48:25 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Front wheel bearings and seals In-Reply-To: <8CD137657D081C5-12C0-3327@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD137657D081C5-12C0-3327@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4532E0FEE81E4452BC8AAD86BBE944F4@DellD4700> My understanding is that most bearings and seals use a standard numbering system regardless of manufacturer or country of origin. If you can read the numbers off the old ones, you probably can replace them at many places. HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rab65tiger at aol.com > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 3:43 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Front wheel bearings and seals > > Is there a readily available Part numbers for front wheel > bearings and seals, that I could get at a bearing house, or > good auto parts store. I could go to S.S. or Classic, I am > trying to go pick up locally right away? > > Randy B > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker at gmail.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3095 - Release > Date: 08/26/10 01:34:00 From slaifman at socal.rr.com Thu Aug 26 16:56:14 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 15:56:14 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Front wheel bearings and seals In-Reply-To: <8CD137657D081C5-12C0-3327@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CD137657D081C5-12C0-3327@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4C76F10E.10600@socal.rr.com> Randy, Although specifications are hard to find in Sunbeam manuals, wheel bearings and seals are metric standards. Any good bearing house has the seals, races, bearings, and cages (if necessary) for R&R your wheel bearings. These would be "readily available" I can't find the original call-outs in any Sunbeam literature, but if you have yours to bring in, the ID is marked on all parts of the bearing. Get your ID number from the part(s). If you're a DIY lot's of Tiger bearings sold by: RockAuto.com - service at rockauto.com SKF (dimensions and alternate OEM part numbers: Web Site: http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=1840500 email: service at rockauto.com 1-866-ROCKAUTO (762-5288) (608) 661-1376 They list: _Beck/Arnley_ _National _ Taper Bearing Cup Outer Diameter=2.717", Length=0.625", Radius=0.046" These are in the $5.70 to $6.35 each bracket. Other major parts suppliers also carry various brands/prices. A bearing Supply Store is sure to have them in major brands (Timken, etc.) _Timken_ has a pretty nice web site: http://www.timken.com/en-us/products/bearings/productlist/roller/Tapered/SingleRow/Pages/default.aspx Good Luck, Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com rab65tiger at aol.com wrote: > Is there a readily available Part numbers for front wheel bearings and seals, > that I could get at a bearing house, or good auto parts store. I could go to > S.S. or Classic, I am trying to go pick up locally right away? > > Randy B From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Aug 26 18:16:51 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:16:51 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] K motor parts In-Reply-To: <4c765cc6.4925.0@thecia.net> References: <4c765cc6.4925.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: <4C7703F3.5070907@mayfco.com> Rb, thanks for the link. An interesting article. One of the things I am curious about though is the "wider main bearing caps". Does any0one know what exactly this means? Thicker? Wider with a different saddle machined in the block side? Taller with more metal over the actual bearing? If known, could the dimensions be published to the list? Also, how does one get to the next installment of that article where they put it on the dyno? Thanks for the link! mayf On 8/26/2010 5:23 AM, rande wrote: > Hi, > You were inquiring about a five bolt 'K' motor block, and no, I don't have one > for sale. > > You may already have this link: > www.mustangmonthly.com/techarticles/mump_0812_how_to_rebuild_a_289_hi_po_engine/index.html > > > This a tech article about rebuilding a 'K' motor (in this case > a 66 GT350) and it may also list what special parts to acquire > that differ from an A (225hp) or C (200hp) block. This link was > from an earlier Tiger list posting. > > RB > _______________________________________________ From csx2282 at sonic.net Sun Aug 22 20:40:52 2010 From: csx2282 at sonic.net (csx2282) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 19:40:52 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] First Brit Car Adventures Message-ID: <70DC070496B047148592D86EDB15DD6A@Cobra> Steve, As it happens, my first British Car was also a1951 MG-TD, though I didn't get mine until 1959. And I was also a college student at the time. Thus began many years of Brit car adventures. Countless SU whacks and futzing with their points. Same SU experiences with my next Brit car, a 1961 Austin Healey 3000, at least until I replaced it with a Bendix pump I purchased at a local auto parts store. Never had another fuel pump problem after that even on a So Cal to upstate NY drive. My first notable adventure with the TD happened while I was working at a summer job in downtown LA which required a daily freeway commute from Canoga Park in the San Fernando Valley. After work one day I discovered that one of the TD's rear tires was flat. After groaning I got out the lug wrench, jack and removed the rear mounted spare. The first try with the lug wrench resulted in the whole wheel spinning even though the parking brake was on. I pulled the parking brake lever back another notch and slipped it into first gear. No wheel spin this time but the lug wrench twisted into a "pretzel" shape. The goon at the Whitefront store where I had purchased a set of tires must have set his impact wrench at about 800 ft-lbs. I grabbed the lug wrench and started making the rounds of nearby service stations. At the first one the attendant looked at the wrench, laughed and said something like "wat ya git fir buyin a firun ker", followed by a prolonged belly laugh. His buddies thought that it was pretty funny too. Finally I found a more sympathetic place that had a universal 4-way lug wrench that looked like it might fit. The station manager was more than happy to lend it to me, provided I left a $10 deposit. Fortunately one of the sizes was close enough and with some huffing, puffing and lots of banging I got the flat off and the spare on. It was a learning experience, so to speak. After that I always broke lug nuts loose before jacking up the wheel. But that didn't always work. Once I tried to loosen the lug nuts on a VW bug front wheel and even with the full weight of the car on it, it still rotated. I had to get someone to step on the brake pedal while I loosened the nuts. After the freeway grind from downtown LA back to the Valley I made a quick trip to the automotive department at a Sears store and bought a multi-sized British car lug wrench. Sears used to sell all kinds of Brit car stuff in those days. I kept the wrench for later use on my solid disk wheeled Healey with which I had an equally adventurous first flat tire experiences and I did with the Brit car after that. My most curious TD experience involved the starter. Occasionally it would jam so I made a habit of parking on streets with a grade or at the top of a sloped driveway, when possible, to assist with a push start. If I was lucky, letting the car roll and putting it in gear- usually 3rd or 4th, the starter would unjam. But not always. When I got the car the only included tools were the jack, lug wrench and no documentation. I bought a set of Whitworth wrenches and sockets from a local Brit car supply place in San Fernando and a shop manual from a book store that specialized in automotive publication in either Burbank or Glendale, I've forgotten which. The Brit car place is long, long gone, but a couple of years ago I heard that the book store was still in business. Anyway, the first place I looked in the manual was the section that covered the starter. Sure enough there was a paragraph dealing with starter jamming. It stated that TDs came with a special tool that fit on the end of the starter shaft and was used to rotate the starter to unjam it. I found a removable dust cap on the end of the starter shaft in the engine compartment. I didn't have the original tool, but I found a wrench that fit. Problem solved! After that I parked anywhere I pleased! Roland _____________________________________________________________________________ ________________ Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 12:28:49 -0700 From: Steve Laifman Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical problem... Lucas or...Ford? When I bought my first English car, the MG-TD, in 1951 (new) I was given some advice by the agency. "Always keep a Bumpershoot Handy." Well, I was a freshman at CalTech, young, and I was afraid to show my ignorance of the "mother tongue". Turns out that a "bumpershoot" is British for "umbrella", so I followed his advice and kept one in the back shelf. That was a strange action, here, as it hardly ever rains in California. I was traveling North to the Valley (San Fernando) when my car sputtered and quit in the fast lane. Ignition on, I couldn't hear the SU fuel pump "clicking away". So, while stopped in fast heavy traffic, I got out of the car with "bumpershoot" in hand, raised the window, and gave the fuel pump a few "whacks" with the umbrella. It started clicking away, so I got back in, started immediately, and went home. He was right. I checked out the "Workshop Manual" manual, and it didn't mention a "bumpershoot". It's friendly advise: "Periodically clean your fuel pump points with a clean business card." Great advise, except I didn't have a business card as a freshman. Yes, still have an SU fuel pump under the Tiger rear shelf door, but never had to clean it. Maybe it's because I have a "never been used" bumpershoot! Or maybe it senses the unused "bumpershoot" on the parcel shelf? And the question was about Ford starter relays. Who knows, it may become free to move with a few good whacks, as well. Steve Steve Laifman From dave at munroe.ca Tue Aug 24 13:33:11 2010 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:33:11 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure Test Results Message-ID: <81D7130BB6BC494B9E91FE74DA074810@DavePC> Listers: I had many responses to my question regarding the apparent low oil pressure in my fresh engine. Fully half of you suggested I may have a faulty gauge. Stand up and take a bow, as you were correct. I had many replies that included their respective oil pressures from their Tigers. It is clear to me now that a well built, fresh SBF should have approximately 35 psi hot at idle, and 45 to 50 psi hot over 2500 rpm. If your gauge shows much more or less than these numbers, then you most likely have an inaccurate gauge. The evidence for the above assertion is mostly anecdotal, but compelling. Here is what I actually found in tests: I bought an oil pressure gauge from Paul Breuhan on eBay, and have been taking some comparative oil pressure readings. I had a test line made up that connects the gauge to the bottom of my remote oil filter adapter where it leaves the block. There is a 1/2" NPT plug at the filter feed line and one at the return line after the filter. This was really convenient, as I was able to measure the oil pressure where it comes out of the block before it hits the oil filter, and measure it again from the other port where it comes out of the filter. The block pressure right after the pump (where the stock filter reads the pressure) at 2,000 rpm (hot) was 55 psi. My gauge in the car was reading approx 40 psi. The pressure reading after the filter was almost exactly the same as before the filter, just a little below the 55 psi mark. This didn't really tell me anything about the real pressure from my oil pump, but did give a fairly accurate indication of the effect the remote oil filter system has on the pressure getting to the engine internals after the filter - almost none. I had a conversation with an engineer at the local Aeroquip shop where I had my test line made up... I was inquiring about how much I would have to pay for a gauge with any degree of accuracy. He said they have gauges that are oil-filled, and have a zero-100 psi range that they sell for about $75.00, but that are not certifiable. (No sense taking one to a certification shop and have it checked because they are so wildly unreliable.) He said they don't call them pressure "gauges" - they call them pressure "indicators" and they will often read 15 - to 20 psi different from each other on a line manifold. At minimum, a gauge with any accuracy and that is certified would cost at minimum $200 - $250. Its not likely that the gauges Lord Rootes put on his cars were even as accurate or reliable as the "un-certifiable" units. So it looks like the different pressure readings being reported on the Tiger List can in some respect be attributed to the relative inaccuracy of our less-than-certifiable and likely very inexpensive stock gauges. I would think, considering the money being spent on quality parts and assembly by most listers, that oil pressures would be relatively similar from block to block, and until someone checks a fresh, well built engine with a certified gauge, we will not know what a good, accurate pressure reading should be. I would be really happy with somewhere in the 50 psi range cold, and 35 to 40 hot at idle. I think I have that. I just didn't have a gauge that said so until I got Paul's gauge. And who is to say his is or is not accurate? I had my rotating assembly built and balanced by a reputable speed shop in New Mexico. It was installed by a second mechanic who was a good parts replacer if nothing else, and it was checked again by a shop that builds engines for many NHRA and Nascar teams. It was pronounced fit and good to go. I have had two new oil pumps in the pan, a high volume and a standard, and both read the same on my in-dash gauge. I think we can safely say that only substantial engine wear will affect oil pressure readings. (Several respondents have engines with 100,000 to 200,000 miles on them with oil pressures in the above range). Also, a well designed and assembled remote filter with AN8 lines will not cause a substantial drop in pressure. (Mine showed only a 2 or 3 psi change). An oil pump in good condition will make the same pressure as another oil pump of equal condition. My oil pressure readings did not change appreciably from the one in my car when I bought it with a well worn engine - through a rebuild and a new hi-volume Melling pump, to a standard Melling pump currently residing inside my oil pan). So I am going to stick the 55 psi gauge in my dash and move on. (Thanks Paul!) Life is good when your o.p. gauge reads right where you want it. (regardless of the real oil pressure! (O:) ) Dave From tigermaniac at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 25 14:25:26 2010 From: tigermaniac at sbcglobal.net (John R. Engle) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:25:26 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] ACCELERATION DEFINED Message-ID: Subject: ACCELERATION DEFINED There are no rockets or airplanes built by any government in the world > > that can accelerate from a standing start as fast as a Top Fuel > > Dragster or Funny Car! > > > > DEFINITION OF ACCELERATION > > > > One top fuel dragster 500 cubic inch Hemi engine makes more horsepower > > than the first 4 rows of stock cars at the Daytona 500. > > > > It takes just 15/100ths of a second for all 6,000+ horsepower of an > > NHRA Top Fuel dragster engine to reach the rear wheels. > > > > Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes 1-1/2 gallons of nitro > > methane per second; a fully loaded 747 consumes jet fuel at the same > > rate with 25% less energy being produced. > > > > A stock Dodge Hemi V8 engine cannot produce enough power to drive the > > dragster's supercharger. > > > > With 3,000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on > > overdrive, the fuel mixture is compressed into a near-solid form > > before ignition. > > > > Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock at full throttle. > > > > At the stoichiometric (stoichiometry: methodology and technology by > > which quantities of reactants and products in chemical reactions are > > determined) 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture of nitro methane, the flame front > > temperature measures 7,050 deg F. > > > > Nitro methane burns yellow... The spectacular white flame seen above > > the stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from > > atmospheric water vapor by the searing exhaust gases. > > > > Dual magnetos supply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is the output of > > an arc welder in each cylinder. > > > > Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After > > halfway, the engine is dieseling from compression, plus the glow of > > exhaust valves at 1,400 deg F. The engine can only be shut down by > > cutting the fuel flow. > > > > If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up > > in the affected cylinders and then explodes with sufficient force to > > blow cylinder heads off the block in pieces or split the block in > > half. > > > > In order to exceed 300 mph in 4. 5 seconds, dragsters must accelerate > > an average of over 4G's. In order to reach 200 mph (well before > > half-track), the launch acceleration approaches 8G's. > > > > Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before you have completed > > reading this sentence. > > > > Top fuel engines turn approximately 540 revolutions from light to > > light! Including the burnout, the engine must only survive 900 > > revolutions under load. > > > > The redline is actually quite high at 9,500 rpm. > > > > Assuming all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, and > > for once NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs an estimate $1,000.00 per > > second. > > > > The current top fuel dragster elapsed time record is 4.428 seconds for > > the quarter mile (11/12/06, Tony Schumacher, atPomona , CA ). The top > > speed record is 336.15 mph as measured over the last 66' of the run > > (05/25/05 Tony Schumacher, at Hebron , OH ). > > > > Putting all of this into perspective: > > > > You are driving the average $140,000 Lingenfelter 'twin-turbo' powered > > Corvette Z06. Over a mile up the road, a top fuel dragster is staged > > and ready to launch down a quarter mile strip as you pass. You have > > the advantage of a flying start. You run the 'Vette hard up through > > the gears and blast across the starting line and pass the dragster at > > an honest 200 mph. The 'tree' goes green for both of you at that > > moment. > > > > The dragster launches and starts after you. You keep your foot down > > hard, but you hear an incredibly brutal whine that sears your eardrums > > and within 3 seconds, the dragster catches and passes you. He beats > > you to the finish line, a quarter mile away from where you just passed > > him. > > > > Think about it, from a standing start, the dragster had spotted you > > 200 mph and not only caught, but nearly blasted you off the road when > > he passed you within a mere 1,320 foot long race course. > > > > ...... and that my friend, is ACCELERATION! > > --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: wiams at bresnan.net Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:03:05 -0600 Subject: Fwd: ACCELERATION DEFINED To: > > > There are no rockets or airplanes built by any government in the world> > that can accelerate from a standing start as fast as a Top Fuel> > Dragster or Funny Car!> > > > DEFINITION OF ACCELERATION> > > > One top fuel dragster 500 cubic inch Hemi engine makes more horsepower> > than the first 4 rows of stock cars at the Daytona 500.> > > > It takes just 15/100ths of a second for all 6,000+ horsepower of an> > NHRA Top Fuel dragster engine to reach the rear wheels.> > > > Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes 1-1/2 gallons of nitro> > methane per second; a fully loaded 747 consumes jet fuel at the same> > rate with 25% less energy being produced.> > > > A stock Dodge Hemi V8 engine cannot produce enough power to drive the> > dragster's supercharger.> > > > With 3,000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on> > overdrive, the fuel mixture is compressed into a near-solid form> > before ignition.> > > > Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock at full throttle.> > > > At the stoichiometric (stoichiometry: methodology and technology by> > which quantities of reactants and products in chemical reactions are> > determined) 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture of nitro methane, the flame front> > temperature measures 7,050 deg F.> > > > Nitro methane burns yellow... The spectacular white flame seen above> > the stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from> > atmospheric water vapor by the searing exhaust gases.> > > > Dual magnetos supply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is the output of> > an arc welder in each cylinder.> > > > Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After> > halfway, the engine is dieseling from compression, plus the glow of> > exhaust valves at 1,400 deg F. The engine can only be shut down by> > cutting the fuel flow.> > > > If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up> > in the affected cylinders and then explodes with sufficient force to> > blow cylinder heads off the block in pieces or split the block in> > half.> > > > In order to exceed 300 mph in 4. 5 seconds, dragsters must accelerate> > an average of over 4G's. In order to reach 200 mph (well before> > half-track), the launch acceleration approaches 8G's.> > > > Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before you have completed> > reading this sentence.> > > > Top fuel engines turn approximately 540 revolutions from light to> > light! Including the burnout, the engine must only survive 900> > revolutions under load.> > > > The redline is actually quite high at 9,500 rpm.> > > > Assuming all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, and> > for once NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs an estimate $1,000.00 per> > second.> > > > The current top fuel dragster elapsed time record is 4.428 seconds for> > the quarter mile (11/12/06, Tony Schumacher, atPomona , CA ). The top> > speed record is 336.15 mph as measured over the last 66' of the run> > (05/25/05 Tony Schumacher, at Hebron , OH ).> > > > Putting all of this into perspective:> > > > You are driving the average $140,000 Lingenfelter 'twin-turbo' powered> > Corvette Z06. Over a mile up the road, a top fuel dragster is staged> > and ready to launch down a quarter mile strip as you pass. You have> > the advantage of a flying start. You run the 'Vette hard up through> > the gears and blast across the starting line and pass the dragster at> > an honest 200 mph. The 'tree' goes green for both of you at that> > moment.> > > > The dragster launches and starts after you. You keep your foot down> > hard, but you hear an incredibly brutal whine that sears your eardrums> > and within 3 seconds, the dragster catches and passes you. He beats> > you to the finish line, a quarter mile away from where you just passed> > him.> > > > Think about it, from a standing start, the dragster had spotted you> > 200 mph and not only caught, but nearly blasted you off the road when> > he passed you within a mere 1,320 foot long race course.> > > > ...... and that my friend, is ACCELERATION!> > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of dragster.jpg] From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Fri Aug 27 07:41:05 2010 From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 09:41:05 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Front wheel bearings and seals Message-ID: Outer bearing: Timken #LM 11949 & LM 11910. One's the outer race the other the cone. Inner bearing: MBA # 1988/22, Set 21 Seals: RF 49378 & AL 1922 I used these on my front end and have had no problems. I wrote an article in the July 2009 issue of the Rootes Review. Remember, CLEAN, CLEAN, CLEAN!!! Fred Baum In a message dated 8/26/2010 5:05:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rab65tiger at aol.com writes: Is there a readily available Part numbers for front wheel bearings and seals, that I could get at a bearing house, or good auto parts store. I could go to S.S. or Classic, I am trying to go pick up locally right away? Randy B From rab65tiger at aol.com Fri Aug 27 08:23:56 2010 From: rab65tiger at aol.com (rab65tiger at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:23:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] K motor parts In-Reply-To: <4C7703F3.5070907@mayfco.com> References: <4c765cc6.4925.0@thecia.net> <4C7703F3.5070907@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <8CD140A9E2AE1A6-12C0-D2D6@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com> The hipo (and the difficult to locate 302 Mexican block) has main caps that remain the same thickness (width) from all the way, the standard 289/ 302 main caps reduce in thickness a little above where they attach to the block. The early blocks (think up to 1972) are cast a little different than roller blocks, and utilize more metal where the main caps bolt into block. Claims are made about higher nickel content in hipo and mexican blocks for added strength, do not know if that is accurate. Hipo type caps can be retrofitted to other blocks with machine work to align the crank bore. http://www.cougarpartscatalog.com/hipocaps-repro.html has reproduction hipo main caps, also others make beefier main caps (Milodon ?) Randy B -----Original Message----- From: Larry Mayfield To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Aug 26, 2010 5:16 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] K motor parts Rb, thanks for the link. An interesting article. One of the things I am curious about though is the "wider main bearing caps". Does any0one know what exactly this means? Thicker? Wider with a different saddle machined in the block side? Taller with more metal over the actual bearing? If known, could the dimensions be published to the list? Also, how does one get to the next installment of that article where they put it on the dyno? Thanks for the link! mayf On 8/26/2010 5:23 AM, rande wrote: > Hi, > You were inquiring about a five bolt 'K' motor block, and no, I don't have one > for sale. > > You may already have this link: > www.mustangmonthly.com/techarticles/mump_0812_how_to_rebuild_a_289_hi_po_engi ne/index.html > > > This a tech article about rebuilding a 'K' motor (in this case > a 66 GT350) and it may also list what special parts to acquire > that differ from an A (225hp) or C (200hp) block. This link was > from an earlier Tiger list posting. > > RB > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rab65tiger at aol.com From rab65tiger at aol.com Fri Aug 27 08:25:13 2010 From: rab65tiger at aol.com (rab65tiger at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:25:13 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Front wheel bearings and seals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CD140ACC09C769-12C0-D334@webmail-d089.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for the information- RB -----Original Message----- From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com To: rab65tiger at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, Aug 27, 2010 6:41 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] Front wheel bearings and seals Outer bearing: Timken #LM 11949 & LM 11910. One's the outer race the other the cone. Inner bearing: MBA # 1988/22, Set 21 Seals: RF 49378 & AL 1922 I used these on my front end and have had no problems. I wrote an article in the July 2009 issue of the Rootes Review. Remember, CLEAN, CLEAN, CLEAN!!! Fred Baum In a message dated 8/26/2010 5:05:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rab65tiger at aol.com writes: Is there a readily available Part numbers for front wheel bearings and seals, that I could get at a bearing house, or good auto parts store. I could go to S.S. or Classic, I am trying to go pick up locally right away? Randy B From rfraser at bluefrog.com Fri Aug 27 08:28:24 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:28:24 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] K motor parts In-Reply-To: <4C7703F3.5070907@mayfco.com> Message-ID: Mayf It is my understanding that the HiPo main bearing caps are cast the same thickness from bottom to top to give them more mass. The std caps are tapered somewhat. The thickness at the crank journal is the same for both. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Mayfield Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:17 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] K motor parts Rb, thanks for the link. An interesting article. One of the things I am curious about though is the "wider main bearing caps". Does any0one know what exactly this means? Thicker? Wider with a different saddle machined in the block side? Taller with more metal over the actual bearing? If known, could the dimensions be published to the list? Also, how does one get to the next installment of that article where they put it on the dyno? Thanks for the link! mayf On 8/26/2010 5:23 AM, rande wrote: > Hi, > You were inquiring about a five bolt 'K' motor block, and no, I don't > have one for sale. > > You may already have this link: > www.mustangmonthly.com/techarticles/mump_0812_how_to_rebuild_a_289_hi_ > po_engine/index.html > > > This a tech article about rebuilding a 'K' motor (in this case a 66 > GT350) and it may also list what special parts to acquire that differ > from an A (225hp) or C (200hp) block. This link was from an earlier > Tiger list posting. > > RB > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3093 - Release Date: 08/27/10 06:34:00 From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 27 15:39:57 2010 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 17:39:57 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] ACCELERATION DEFINED and Experienced! Message-ID: <06BD111789614213B87D133E81844191@jeffnicholsPC> Well, the average Joe doesn't drive a Top Fuel Dragster or Funny Car so we can never experience the acceleration. However, if you are in the vicinity of Sandusky Ohio you should visit Cedar Point amusement park. They have a ride that is the closest you can get to that kind of acceleration. The ride is Top Thrill Dragster and here are the specs: Length: 2800' Height: 420' Drop: 400' Inversions: 0 Speed: 120 mph Duration: 0:30 Max Vertical Angle: 90 Degrees Max Acceleration: 0 - 120 mph in 4 seconds Elements: 900 Vertical Spiral 420' tall Top Hat - Outside 2700 Vertical Spiral Fifth Gear did a feature on it and here it is on Youtube: (Tiff Needell says it better than sex, poor guy!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XcPBegljYU Jeff From CoolVT at aol.com Fri Aug 27 16:29:16 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 18:29:16 EDT Subject: [Tigers] ACCELERATION DEFINED and Experienced! Message-ID: <2da24.29452a59.39a9963c@aol.com> Without a windshield it probably feels like 300 mph. Mark In a message dated 8/27/2010 5:48:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jxnichols at sbcglobal.net writes: Well, the average Joe doesn't drive a Top Fuel Dragster or Funny Car so we can never experience the acceleration. However, if you are in the vicinity of Sandusky Ohio you should visit Cedar Point amusement park. They have a ride that is the closest you can get to that kind of acceleration. The ride is Top Thrill Dragster and here are the specs: Length: 2800' Height: 420' Drop: 400' Inversions: 0 Speed: 120 mph Duration: 0:30 Max Vertical Angle: 90 Degrees Max Acceleration: 0 - 120 mph in 4 seconds Elements: 900 Vertical Spiral 420' tall Top Hat - Outside 2700 Vertical Spiral Fifth Gear did a feature on it and here it is on Youtube: (Tiff Needell says it better than sex, poor guy!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XcPBegljYU Jeff _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From slaifman at socal.rr.com Fri Aug 27 18:17:52 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 17:17:52 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] The Empire Stirkes Back In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C7855B0.4050103@socal.rr.com> Ran across this bit of history, and thought it might illuminate how the British Automobile Empire made history. It is recommended that this history be absorbed in the order in which it happened, and don't read the next accomplishments 'til another day. It also covers the manufacturer we love so well. (And it ain't Toyota) Up the Empire! Steve Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com 1967: British-Aerospace, a subsidiary of the Humber Division of the Rootes Group, has announced a joint venture with Renault Aerospatiale to develop a supersonic transport aeroplane. This SSA will travel at nearly twice the speed of sound from London in New York in 2 hours. Powered by phased arrays of 289 cu. In. V-8 motors, manufactured in Coventry by the Singer-Jaguar Division, are said to be capable of extra-atmospheric flight. Ticket reservations are being taken for a 200 pound English Sterling deposit, or $250,000.00 American dollars. (400 pound Balance due 6 months prior to departure). 1977: The first manned lunar landing, by Astronaught Sterling Moss, was accompanied by his cryptic historical comment One small step for man, one more world to conquer for Alpine! His historic voyage aboard the two-seater Sunbeam Tiger Moon Mobile was only marred twice by having to smartly strike the Lucas fuel pump with his bumpershoot handle to restart the 900,000 horsepower Ford V-512 cylinder Tiger air-breathing rocket motor. This motor is made by the Singer-Ford subsidiary of the Rootes Group in colonial Arkansas. Astronaught Moss pre-launch remarks about the sensibility of carrying 250,000 miles of Dunlop-Goodyear air-hose was taken as only in jest by His Majesty, while Mrs. Moss and the children were present at the TV viewing in the luxurious and famous Tower of London Royal Apartments. 1983: The rumored production of a retro-Alpine 1955 drophead coupe by the insular Honda Motor Company of Japan has been denied by the Ministry of Trade and Industry (MITI). They are quoted as saying Any manufacture of products protected by international copyright and patent agreements could never happen in this country. The rumor of nostalgia buffs is denied, and apologies are tendered to His Majestys Government, and were delivered to Prime Minister John F. Kennedys ambassador, the Right Honorable Michael Jackson. His Majestys Government accepted the apology and stood down the Colonial Seventh Fleet bring prepared for battle in Cooks Harbour, Honolulu Colony. In other news, Setsumosa Kiosaka, manager and research and development at the Nissan-Mazda division of Honda was found to have committed ritual seppuku by severing his arms, legs and head simultaneously in five rooms of his Tokyo apartments. No comment was forthcoming from his widows or corporate spokesmen. 1997: The ex-astronaught, Right Honorable Sir Sterling Moss, R.O.G. E.R., B.P.O.E, P.U.T.Z., from his long-time residential abode in the Tower of London Royal Apartments, commented upon the 30th anniversary of this moonwalk (and the sudden inexplicable demise of his family), has been overheard to comment If it were only the other way round, Sir Michael Jacksond be livin ere, and Id be in the bloomin Beverly ills Colonial Mansion with me little friends and famous for me Moonwalk Dance Video. Sir Sterling has been known to become somewhat eccentric in his advanced years, and has often said hed been misquoted in the tattler Royal New York Times supermarket smut sheet. He completely denies all attributed statements that hed always have 100 candles illuminate his abode to ward off the evil Prince of Darkness. Few scholars claim to understand this demonic references, which can only be inferred by reading his statements backwards. From Carmods at aol.com Sat Aug 28 07:31:04 2010 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 09:31:04 EDT Subject: [Tigers] K motor Block and Crank Message-ID: <4656f.5c2d8f62.39aa6998@aol.com> The Ford rough castings of the standard 289 and 289 Hipo were the same with the same casting part number. The blocks that became HiPo's were then machined different for the larger four bolt main caps. The standard 289 and 289 Hipo cranks were also the same casting. Hipo Cranks were selected for hardness based on a single Brinell test. There will be a visible indentation on the crank indicating that the crank was tested. This does not mean that it was actually a Hipo crank since the cranks that were tested and failed to meet the hardness requirement were then used in the standard 289 build. John Logan From CoolVT at aol.com Sat Aug 28 07:57:20 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 09:57:20 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Handling Message-ID: <46e12.3cade8e4.39aa6fc0@aol.com> I've made some changes over the past few years and haven't been satisfied with the handling. The 2 things that seem different are: Pretty bad understeer on curves at 40 mph+ Car's tendency to want to follow ruts in the road. It seems that the 2 problems are contradictory. The things that I've changed from stock are: MG Midget steering rack Wheels that were high profile 185 x 13 are now 195 x 50 x16 (front) and 205 x 50 x16 (rear). Thicker sway bar on front (I think it's 7/8's") 1/2" thick shims above the front springs (to raise the front a little Softened the front shock adjustment because I thought it would be too hard with low profile tires. Done an allignment and that seems good. Any suggestions? Mark L From lpaulick1 at verizon.net Sat Aug 28 08:14:31 2010 From: lpaulick1 at verizon.net (Larry Paulick) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 10:14:31 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Handling In-Reply-To: <46e12.3cade8e4.39aa6fc0@aol.com> References: <46e12.3cade8e4.39aa6fc0@aol.com> Message-ID: <4C7919C7.40503@verizon.net> What is your alignment specs. Did you see my article on the Dale A change on TU. My car tracks perfectly, and I did the alignment myself. Alignment is only as good as the mechanic, not the machine used. Larry On 8/28/10 9:57 AM, CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > I've made some changes over the past few years and haven't been satisfied > with the handling. The 2 things that seem different are: > Pretty bad understeer on curves at 40 mph+ > Car's tendency to want to follow ruts in the road. > It seems that the 2 problems are contradictory. > > The things that I've changed from stock are: > MG Midget steering rack > Wheels that were high profile 185 x 13 are now 195 x 50 x16 (front) and > 205 x 50 x16 (rear). > Thicker sway bar on front (I think it's 7/8's") > 1/2" thick shims above the front springs (to raise the front a little > Softened the front shock adjustment because I thought it would be too hard > with low profile tires. > Done an allignment and that seems good. > > Any suggestions? > Mark L > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/lpaulick1 at verizon.net From Carmods at aol.com Sat Aug 28 08:28:47 2010 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 10:28:47 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Handling Message-ID: <47554.1ae5845d.39aa771f@aol.com> In a message dated 8/28/2010 10:01:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, CoolVT at aol.com writes: Pretty bad understeer on curves at 40 mph+ Car's tendency to want to follow ruts in the road. Hi Mark, The thicker sway bar on front will increase understeer. A rear sway bar will decrease understeer. Too much rear bar will increase oversteer. The installation of the MG Midget steering rack could cause many problems depending on how you installed it. For instance, are the steering rod inner joints in the proper geometric location? John Logan From tkparker1941 at gmail.com Sat Aug 28 09:55:38 2010 From: tkparker1941 at gmail.com (Tom Parker) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 11:55:38 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Handling In-Reply-To: <46e12.3cade8e4.39aa6fc0@aol.com> References: <46e12.3cade8e4.39aa6fc0@aol.com> Message-ID: Mark, I'm assuming the car handled acceptably before the steering rack and tires were changed. True? The steering rack change is to help correct the legendary Ackerman angle problem Shelby's dyslectic engineers built into the Tiger. I don't think it should adversely affect steering, but I'll defer to the guys who have done it and know. Same for the sway bars. My guess is the alignment isn't appropriate for the tires you have installed. C.A.T. Shop Notes has (I think, I'm not near the book...) front end alignment settings for radial tires. Add to that Camber shoud be - according to a recent posr here - closer to vertical than the stock settings. I think I'd start there. Tom ' 67 Mark 2 On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 9:57 AM, wrote: > I've made some changes over the past few years and haven't been satisfied > with the handling. The 2 things that seem different are: > Pretty bad understeer on curves at 40 mph+ > Car's tendency to want to follow ruts in the road. > It seems that the 2 problems are contradictory. > > The things that I've changed from stock are: > MG Midget steering rack > Wheels that were high profile 185 x 13 are now 195 x 50 x16 (front) and > 205 x 50 x16 (rear). > Thicker sway bar on front (I think it's 7/8's") > 1/2" thick shims above the front springs (to raise the front a little > Softened the front shock adjustment because I thought it would be too hard > with low profile tires. > Done an allignment and that seems good. > > Any suggestions? > Mark L > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com From garywinblad at comcast.net Sat Aug 28 11:18:25 2010 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 17:18:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Handling In-Reply-To: <46e12.3cade8e4.39aa6fc0@aol.com> Message-ID: <1275520620.397563.1283015905867.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> The big picture is that no matter what you do, a Tiger is never going to handle as good as a modern car. But as far as your car, I think: Wider low profile tires ARE going to follow ruts more. Increasing the front bar will increase understeer. Raising the front of the car will increase understeer. Wider tires in the back will increase understeer. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: CoolVT at aol.com To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 13:57:20 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Handling I've made some changes over the past few years and haven't been satisfied with the handling. The 2 things that seem different are: Pretty bad understeer on curves at 40 mph+ Car's tendency to want to follow ruts in the road. It seems that the 2 problems are contradictory. The things that I've changed from stock are: MG Midget steering rack Wheels that were high profile 185 x 13 are now 195 x 50 x16 (front) and 205 x 50 x16 (rear). Thicker sway bar on front (I think it's 7/8's") 1/2" thick shims above the front springs (to raise the front a little Softened the front shock adjustment because I thought it would be too hard with low profile tires. Done an allignment and that seems good. Any suggestions? Mark L From bomber44 at comcast.net Sat Aug 28 12:33:52 2010 From: bomber44 at comcast.net (Rob Guerra) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 11:33:52 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Handling In-Reply-To: <46e12.3cade8e4.39aa6fc0@aol.com> References: <46e12.3cade8e4.39aa6fc0@aol.com> Message-ID: <6FD10BB5-4647-4626-AE67-885C17A4A2FC@comcast.net> Well let me chime in here with an alternative.... Normally items like a quick rack, different sway bars, stiffer springs, trussed crossmembers, and MG racks all improve the handling but never solve all the problems inherent in the tigers design and I had all of them in my car. I recently installed Dales newest designed front end. It is a entirely new crossmember, rack, coil over shocks, nascar style sway bar with adjustable links, and big Wilwood brakes all in a BOLT IN design. The new crossmember all but eliminates bump steer, ackerman angle problems, and tracking issues. The upper and lower A-arms are fully adjustable for track width, camber, and caster. The adjustable coil over shocks all ride height, and rebound adjustment changes. You can easily dial in a soft shock setting for a leisurely drive to the track, reach down and dial in a stiffer setting for the track / autocross and then back again if you choose. Sway bar adjustments are almost that easy too. I don't know of anyone who would complain about having more braking in their car either, the large 11.75" vented discs and 4 piston calipers make slowing the car almost effortless and reassuring. I have had to "re-tune" my driving now. At my first autocross with this new front end installed I would hit my normal breaking zone and then find myself having to accelerate again just to get to the corner. Those brakes allowed me to drive deeper into the corner and slow faster than I ever could previously. The car drives dramatically different... easy to steer and tracks like a dream. It drives and handles like a late model sports car now. I am really impressed with his design and how well it works, and everyone who drives my car agrees. If you really want to unlock the potential of the car, you might consider this new crossmember design and remember you can allows unbolt it and return the car to stock configuration. Rob From garywinblad at comcast.net Sat Aug 28 12:40:18 2010 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 18:40:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Alger B382000046 now for sale in Pleasanton, CA Message-ID: <1007379070.400096.1283020818075.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Now fully disclosed as a conversion!! 1965 Sunbeam Tiger Conversion - $29990 (Pleasanton, Sunny and Hot California) http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd/1919509899.html I just saw this on Craigslist, I have nothing to do with the car or dealer. Gary From slaifman at socal.rr.com Sat Aug 28 14:18:59 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 13:18:59 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Reminiscences about Cars - Part I Message-ID: <4C796F33.402@socal.rr.com> I sent a few reminiscences about the Cars of my youth. Apparently it was too long, and never got posted. No messages from our List, either. So, what to do? Well, send it in bite-sized pieces! First Installment: I thought I would share some "my car stories" about cars I've known or owned If your first car was a New 1951 MG-TD, there is a lot of time between then and now. Kinda thought I should share those Reminisces of early days before I forgot them. Steve -- Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com First half of message: Reply on "great cars". I've either owned or driven them when they were at their prime. 1) The TC: It looks just fabulous, and its steering is only 1 > turns lock to lock. Very light, but then they have perfectly sized the engine and brakes so that there is not only no advantage, but a penalty. Its quick steering is only surpassed by its lack of precision. There was over a 1/8 turn of free play in the wheel. You didn't steer it as much as coax it from changing lanes by sawing at the 19 inch diameter wheel. You better start stopping way before there is any actual reason, or it's too late. The cornering is nearly perfect, if you have PLENTY of room and don't mind needing it. It would shake, judder, and hop through any turn with the best of them. Now this was when they were NEW. But it sure is PRETTY. Good shifter. 2) The TR-2 and 3, the cheap man's Jaguar. Poorly made, the bolt-on wheels would break off in a turn, so they couldn't race them without safety plates. The TR4, bigger, in a British box. All TRs could go better than any similar year MG, and sounded better too. But you have never seen the earlier TR 1800. A miniature Bentley drophead with 18 inch Lucas flame thrower headlamps and a rumble seat. Precedes the TR2. More like a TC, but bigger and more refined. 3) The Austin-Healy. Clearly one of the best looking of all the British cars. Light in handling and appearance, but short on gears with the first 100's with 3 speeds. First was locked out because it was a stump puller. Donald made the car with the stock Austin bins. Later models got better (brakes, windows, power) and worse (back seats, heavier, fatter, and less appealing). Their finest hour was the 100S Le Mans with the all Aluminum body, disk brakes, handling suspension, hot 4 banger. Friend had the new 100S, and as I said, I'Ive driven them all. Other friends included Bruce Kessler. Bruce was the son of the Rose Marie Reed Swim suit family. He led the production of one those famous swim suits as an apprentice. His first (and last) assignment after his first production cut left out the crotch. He raced his mother's black and mint Jag. Lance Reventlow (born Lawrence Graf von Haugwitz-Hardenberg-Reventlow (mother - Barbara Hutton, father - European Royalty), was newly racing, and part of our Rat Pack. Later he went on to develop the Scarab. 4) MG TD. You didn't't get into it. You strapped it on. Clearly the car that you thought around corners, rather than drove. My TD was much like that, I would just sort of lean my body in the direction of the turn and it would go right around. Quite a good auto cross car, even if I did cheat because I was a better driver. No top end, no acceleration, much better comfort than a TC, but it looked like a midge model A Ford and EVERYONE said so. Our "rallying cry" , as a box-stock Chevy six station wagon would out accelerate us at the stop light Grand Prix as "Just wait till I get you in the corners!" For the most part, the "competition didn't't even know the were racing! <-- To Be Continued --> -- Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com From slaifman at socal.rr.com Sat Aug 28 14:19:33 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 13:19:33 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Reminiscences about Cars - Part II Message-ID: <4C796F55.70900@socal.rr.com> _Second half of message:_ 5) E-Type. Great looking car, same basic engine as the XK120. The early BS ones (Before Smog) were good performers. Bigger and therefore less agile than the SK120, but more comfortable. The shifter was about the same as the 120. The stick was mounted in rubber, and felt like it. It did NOT like to be speed shifted. It resisted, fought, and clashed every time, but if you gave it a smooth pull, it would be just fine. 6) The Allard. Pocket rocket. You could not stop from peeling rubber in any gear at any speed. Looked macho before the word was invented, and meant it. The brakes were no all that great. Like the later Cobra, there was just barely enough room to get in, or be in, but it felt like you were part of the machine. A great deal of TC in its handling, except you didn't't just bounce and hop around a turn. They use to say "you don't steer an Allard, you AIM it." True! Get it bent around so the nose and tail sort of line up with where the straight was and floor it. Impossible to describe, unless you're an astronaut. Unfortunately, the steering got very light around 100 miles an hour. This wasn't't because of camber, caster, tire slip angle, it was just nature's way of telling you that the big long hood with that heavy Cadillac engine in it was being lifted off the ground, along with the front end. by aerodynamics. As the tires left the pavement you truly were steering with the throttle. Very scary. 7) The Jaguar XK120S (M). Look around at all the 1949-1959 design automobiles that were in production when the first Jag rolled off the line. You're comparing Roseanne with Marilyn. This car was absolutely the most beautiful, graceful, lithesome thing on the road. It sounded like a fine watch with a tiger (jaguar) purring under the hood. It turned heads like no Ferrari ever could because it was so outstanding for its day. So when other cars had 120 mph speedometers, and really wouldn't't top 90 (including the Cadillac), the Jaguar really could do 120 in good tune. In factory tune, it held the world record for 133 mph, and I had a dash plaque singed by the chief engineer to prove it. As I told you about Gene's car, it really could handle if you knew what you were about, and the performance was not only great (not an Allard, but I could take one easily above 100 mph), but well mannered. Smooth as glass, stable at high speed, good road manners, and drivable for long hours even without windows (the came later and uglier). The SS100 was Jaguar's TC in practically every way (but it sure is PRETTY). It has a pointed horn button (just like Marilyn) pointed right at the center of your chest, and you ordered your seat belts form your nearest aircraft surplus store. Safety was for sissies, and the CSCC/SCCA. I had seat belts in all my cars, even if they were aircraft surplus, that way I wouldn't't slide out of the seat on a wild and dangerous turn. I know this letter is pretty long, (now broken in half) but I thought I'd take the opportunity of letting you see my recall of those glorious days of yesteryear. Where, "from out of the dusty past, rode the lonely stranger on his steed". One look and you knew t his was no one to trifle with. He meant business, from his wool cap, leather gloves with holes in them, goggles across the top of his cap from a WWI movie. His windshield was down, the air streaming past his face carrying away the tears of joy that flowed from his eyes. His steed was making a low throaty purr, his deep chest not even straining despite his rapid pace over long distances. One could tell the stranger was just passing thru, and his life was in the going, not the arriving. He was a breed part. As he rode off into the sunset, you couldn't't help but feel a tug in your heart for the longing to be that free. 'nough said. Thanks for reading. -- Steve Laifman Editor http://TigersUnited.com From fastsage at cox.net Sat Aug 28 14:45:26 2010 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 13:45:26 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Alger B382000046 now for sale in Pleasanton, CA In-Reply-To: <1007379070.400096.1283020818075.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1007379070.400096.1283020818075.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4C797566.9080905@cox.net> Is this the same Tiger that was on Ebay a couple of days ago for $30,000? Steve Sage On 8/28/2010 11:40 AM, garywinblad at comcast.net wrote: > Now fully disclosed as a conversion!! > > > 1965 Sunbeam Tiger Conversion - $29990 (Pleasanton, Sunny and Hot California) > http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd/1919509899.html > > > > I just saw this on Craigslist, I have nothing to do with the car or dealer. > Gary > _______________________________________________ ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.15750) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= From spook01 at comcast.net Sat Aug 28 17:56:17 2010 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 18:56:17 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Tiger_Handling?= Message-ID: <20100828235520.D2E6F187662@autox.team.net> Que mucho? Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Rob Guerra" Date: Sat, Aug 28, 2010 13:33 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Handling To: Cc: Well let me chime in here with an alternative.... Normally items like a quick rack, different sway bars, stiffer springs, trussed crossmembers, and MG racks all improve the handling but never solve all the problems inherent in the tigers design and I had all of them in my car. I recently installed Dales newest designed front end. It is a entirely new crossmember, rack, coil over shocks, nascar style sway bar with adjustable links, and big Wilwood brakes all in a BOLT IN design. The new crossmember all but eliminates bump steer, ackerman angle problems, and tracking issues. The upper and lower A-arms are fully adjustable for track width, camber, and caster. The adjustable coil over shocks all ride height, and rebound adjustment changes. You can easily dial in a soft shock setting for a leisurely drive to the track, reach down and dial in a stiffer setting for the track / autocross and then back again if you choose. Sway bar adjustments are almost that easy too. I don't know of anyone who would complain about having more braking in their car either, the large 11.75" vented discs and 4 piston calipers make slowing the car almost effortless and reassuring. I have had to "re-tune" my driving now. At my first autocross with this new front end installed I would hit my normal breaking zone and then find myself having to accelerate again just to get to the corner. Those brakes allowed me to drive deeper into the corner and slow faster than I ever could previously. The car drives dramatically different... easy to steer and tracks like a dream. It drives and handles like a late model sports car now. I am really impressed with his design and how well it works, and everyone who drives my car agrees. If you really want to unlock the potential of the car, you might consider this new crossmember design and remember you can allows unbolt it and return the car to stock configuration. Rob _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/spook01 at comcast.net From CoolVT at aol.com Sat Aug 28 18:00:55 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 20:00:55 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Alger B382000046 now for sale in Pleasanton, CA Message-ID: <5d8e9.7dbc2936.39aafd37@aol.com> I wonder what this means...."it could pass for a "real" Alpine Tiger" In a message dated 8/28/2010 2:46:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, garywinblad at comcast.net writes: Now fully disclosed as a conversion!! 1965 Sunbeam Tiger Conversion - $29990 (Pleasanton, Sunny and Hot California) http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd/1919509899.html I just saw this on Craigslist, I have nothing to do with the car or dealer. Gary _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com From e.coiner at cox.net Sat Aug 28 19:34:03 2010 From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 18:34:03 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Handling In-Reply-To: <20100828235520.D2E6F187662@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <20100828213403.NSBN4.644655.imail@fed1rmwml45> If you have to ask.............. ---- "spook01 at comcast.net" wrote: > Que mucho? > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Rob Guerra" > Date: Sat, Aug 28, 2010 13:33 > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Handling > To: > Cc: > > > Well let me chime in here with an alternative.... Normally items like a quick > rack, different sway bars, stiffer springs, trussed crossmembers, and MG racks > all improve the handling but never solve all the problems inherent in the > tigers design and I had all of them in my car. > > I recently installed Dales newest designed front end. From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sat Aug 28 19:46:08 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 11:46:08 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Handling In-Reply-To: <46e12.3cade8e4.39aa6fc0@aol.com> References: <46e12.3cade8e4.39aa6fc0@aol.com> Message-ID: Adding wider tyres will make the car track.tramline in ruts more.. so that isnt beyond reason. As for the other things.. alignment is likely to be the issue.. how much castor are you running.. adding more castor will help the feel.. are you running toe in or toe out? On 28 August 2010 23:57, wrote: > I've made some changes over the past few years and haven't been satisfied > with the handling. The 2 things that seem different are: > Pretty bad understeer on curves at 40 mph+ > Car's tendency to want to follow ruts in the road. > It seems that the 2 problems are contradictory. > > The things that I've changed from stock are: > MG Midget steering rack > Wheels that were high profile 185 x 13 are now 195 x 50 x16 (front) and > 205 x 50 x16 (rear). > Thicker sway bar on front (I think it's 7/8's") > 1/2" thick shims above the front springs (to raise the front a little > Softened the front shock adjustment because I thought it would be too hard > with low profile tires. > Done an allignment and that seems good. > > Any suggestions? > Mark L > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > -- Regards Michael King From v8tracker at gmail.com Sat Aug 28 19:51:19 2010 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 20:51:19 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Alger B382000046 now for sale in Pleasanton, CA In-Reply-To: <5d8e9.7dbc2936.39aafd37@aol.com> References: <5d8e9.7dbc2936.39aafd37@aol.com> Message-ID: It means that, if you didn't know that the VIN plate had been switched, you would probably think it was legal to register the car in any state, which it isn't. It may even look so real because it is a stolen Tiger with another Tiger's VIN plate or parts from a stolen Tiger could have been used along with a junked Tiger VIN plate to create the fake. I have nothing against swapping a Ford V8 or any other engine into an Alpine, after all, I put a Ford 302 into a Geo Tracker. However, I strongly oppose trying to pass off any car as something it isn't or selling a car with a switched VIN plate. That, to me, is highly unethical, immoral, and illegal. Rant mode is now off and our regular programming will continue. A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 7:01 PM > To: garywinblad at comcast.net; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alger B382000046 now for sale in Pleasanton, CA > > I wonder what this means...."it could pass for a "real" Alpine Tiger" > > > In a message dated 8/28/2010 2:46:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight > Time, garywinblad at comcast.net writes: > > Now fully disclosed as a conversion!! > > > 1965 Sunbeam Tiger Conversion - $29990 (Pleasanton, Sunny and Hot > California) > http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd/1919509899.html > > > > I just saw this on Craigslist, I have nothing to do with > the car or dealer. > Gary > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/coolvt at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker at gmail.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3099 - Release > Date: 08/28/10 01:34:00 From csx2282 at sonic.net Sat Aug 28 21:24:27 2010 From: csx2282 at sonic.net (csx2282) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 20:24:27 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Alger B382000046 now for sale in Pleasanton, CA References: Message-ID: <0C11CF5675FE4F3BA5F3FF26E5684E0C@Cobra> I dunno Gary. Rumor has it that YOU live in this neck of the woods! Roland > Now fully disclosed as a conversion!! > > > 1965 Sunbeam Tiger Conversion - $29990 (Pleasanton, Sunny and Hot > California) > http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd/1919509899.html > > > > I just saw this on Craigslist, I have nothing to do with the car or > dealer. > Gary From csx2282 at sonic.net Sat Aug 28 21:33:44 2010 From: csx2282 at sonic.net (csx2282) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 20:33:44 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Reminiscences about Cars References: Message-ID: <9C878DDB0CB04CC29FB18F0A22E0BD4F@Cobra> Careful what you unleash here Steve. Some of us are chronic, mega ramblers! Roland ________________________________________________________________ I sent a few reminiscences about the Cars of my youth. Apparently it was too long, and never got posted. No messages from our List, either. So, what to do? Well, send it in bite-sized pieces! First Installment: I thought I would share some "my car stories" about cars I've known or owned If your first car was a New 1951 MG-TD, there is a lot of time between then and now. Kinda thought I should share those Reminisces of early days before I forgot them. Steve -- Steve Laifman From v8tracker at gmail.com Sat Aug 28 21:36:23 2010 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 22:36:23 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] K motor Block and Crank Message-ID: My understanding is that the K engines used two-bolt main caps, though their main caps were not the same as the regular 289's. I think the Boss 302 was the first small block Ford to use four-bolt mains. A. C. Tynes New Orleans From Carmods at aol.com Sun Aug 29 09:37:08 2010 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 11:37:08 EDT Subject: [Tigers] K motor Block and Crank Message-ID: <738a0.4ec07236.39abd8a4@aol.com> It appears that I miss spoke when I described the Hipo 289 block as having four bolt main bearing caps. I should have said the following. The Ford rough castings of the standard 289 and 289 Hipo were the same with the same casting part number. The blocks that became HiPo's were then machined different for the larger main bearing caps. The standard 289 and 289 Hipo cranks were also the same casting. Hipo cranks were selected for hardness based on a single Brinell test. There will be a visible indentation on the crank indicating that the crank was tested. This does not mean that it was actually a Hipo crank since the cranks that were tested and failed to meet the hardness requirement were then used in the standard 289 build. Please forgive me, perhaps I'm getting forgetful. I think I made a mistake once before but I can't remember. John Logan From hguynes at cinci.rr.com Sun Aug 29 10:37:17 2010 From: hguynes at cinci.rr.com (Hugh Guynes) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 12:37:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Alternate Rear End Gears In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68F7F517532A4E8EB5594F28C1660DE3@StudyDell210> I run a T5 with the G Force gears and 9310 main shaft. The 347 in my Tiger makes 403 rwhp and 378 rwt. Even with the stronger gears the transmission is quiet and shifts good. I run 8-10 track events a year and I don't think there will be any problems with this transmission set-up in a in a 2300lb. car ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 11:48 AM Subject: [Tigers] Alternate Rear End Gears > Speaking of gear ratios, has anyone ever found a Dana 44/Salisbury rear > end ratio LOWER than the 2.88:1 ratio in our stock differentials? I > searched the web and found ratios as high as 5.89:1 (imagine, a top > speed of 74 MPH at 6000 RPM, but would you get there fast!). Assuming > you convert your Toploader to the wide ratio (2.78 1st) gear set, > dropping to a 2.66:1 rear gear set would still give you a better launch > off the line yet drop your 4th gear cruising RPM about 300 rpm, so for a > 205/50R15 tire, you would be doing 2700 RPM instead of the 3000 RPM with > the stock 2.88:1 ratio. > > Why ask this, you say? Well, my stroker motors push out over 400 ft-lbs, > and the five speed T5s that fit inside the Tiger tunnel are not capable > of handling that level of torque unlike our faithful Toploader. Plus > with that amount of low end grunt the car will launch off the line hard > in pretty much any gear you choose. > > Any thoughts? > > Bugz > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/hguynes at cinci.rr.com From slaifman at socal.rr.com Sun Aug 29 14:38:44 2010 From: slaifman at socal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:38:44 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Apologies and Memories Message-ID: <4C7AC554.6090909@socal.rr.com> I wish to apologies for taking up 2 Tiger List emails with some reminiscences about cars I've owned, driven or loved. I had to ask my lovely wife, Linda, what the date of our 50th wedding anniversary was. Trust me, WRITE THIS STUFF DOWN or you will never hear the end of it. Some of my older memories are harder to access, and I believed it would be worthwhile to document it before I can't recall, and the Tiger List seemed to be appropriate with their own fascination about sporting cars. My mother's 102nd birthday is next month, and her memories are fading away. So, please excuse me for sending reminiscences to the List, but that is the best communication I have for what I thought would be of interest. I have received some private mail from a few members indicating unhappiness with the posts about the posts, and the possibilities that too many would start "rambling incoherently". Please pardon me, Steve Laifman From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Aug 29 15:41:56 2010 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 14:41:56 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Apologies and Memories In-Reply-To: <4C7AC554.6090909@socal.rr.com> References: <4C7AC554.6090909@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <4C7AD424.4010107@mayfco.com> Huh? I find the apology completely unnecessary. For those who do not like it simply hit delete. mayf On 8/29/2010 1:38 PM, Steve Laifman wrote: > I wish to apologies for taking up 2 Tiger List emails with some > reminiscences about cars I've owned, driven or loved. > > I had to ask my lovely wife, Linda, what the date of our 50th wedding > anniversary was. Trust me, WRITE THIS STUFF DOWN or you will never > hear the end of it. > > Some of my older memories are harder to access, and I believed it > would be worthwhile to document it before I can't recall, and the > Tiger List seemed to be appropriate with their own fascination about > sporting cars. > > My mother's 102nd birthday is next month, and her memories are fading > away. > > So, please excuse me for sending reminiscences to the List, but that > is the best communication I have for what I thought would be of > interest. I have received some private mail from a few members > indicating unhappiness with the posts about the posts, and the > possibilities that too many would start "rambling incoherently". > > Please pardon me, > > Steve Laifman > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf at mayfco.com From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Aug 29 15:54:43 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 17:54:43 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Apologies Message-ID: <82a05.8f3c574.39ac3123@aol.com> I sent this note to Steve and then realized I should send it to the list. Mark L Steve, It really surprises me that anyone would email with those comments. Know something........screw them! As we get older we are the link to the old cars. How great is it to be able to talk with someone that has Tiger history in their blood........a factory worker, a sales person, a designer. It can be read about, but there is nothing like talking to a person who was "involved"...... You have owned and driven some cars that others will not get a chance to drive. For those who don't appreciate the emails it is so simple to hit the delete button. Mark From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Sun Aug 29 16:32:10 2010 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 23:32:10 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Apologies and Memories In-Reply-To: <4C7AD424.4010107@mayfco.com> References: <4C7AC554.6090909@socal.rr.com> <4C7AD424.4010107@mayfco.com> Message-ID: here here. thanks for taking the time for sharing you experience with us Steve. I enjoyed reading it and saved it. - owain On Sunday, August 29, 2010, Larry Mayfield wrote: > Huh? I find the apology completely unnecessary. For those who do not like it simply hit delete. > > mayf > On 8/29/2010 1:38 PM, Steve Laifman wrote: > > I wish to apologies for taking up 2 Tiger List emails with some reminiscences about cars I've owned, driven or loved. > > I had to ask my lovely wife, Linda, what the date of our 50th wedding anniversary was. Trust me, WRITE THIS STUFF DOWN or you will never hear the end of it. > > Some of my older memories are harder to access, and I believed it would be worthwhile to document it before I can't recall, and the Tiger List seemed to be appropriate with their own fascination about sporting cars. > > My mother's 102nd birthday is next month, and her memories are fading away. > > So, please excuse me for sending reminiscences to the List, but that is the best communication I have for what I thought would be of interest. I have received some private mail from a few members indicating unhappiness with the posts about the posts, and the possibilities that too many would start "rambling incoherently". > > Please pardon me, > > Steve Laifman > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/drmayf at mayfco.com > > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com From v8tracker at gmail.com Sun Aug 29 17:10:03 2010 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 18:10:03 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Apologies and Memories In-Reply-To: <4C7AC554.6090909@socal.rr.com> References: <4C7AC554.6090909@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <4D2B15900852409880F434C9D14A90A8@DellD4700> Steve, Add me to the group that hopes you will keep sharing your memories. Keep it up. A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Laifman > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 3:39 PM > To: Tiger's Den > Subject: [Tigers] Apologies and Memories > > I wish to apologies for taking up 2 Tiger List emails with > some reminiscences about cars I've owned, driven or loved. > > I had to ask my lovely wife, Linda, what the date of our 50th > wedding anniversary was. Trust me, WRITE THIS STUFF DOWN or > you will never hear the end of it. > > Some of my older memories are harder to access, and I > believed it would be worthwhile to document it before I can't > recall, and the Tiger List seemed to be appropriate with > their own fascination about sporting cars. > > My mother's 102nd birthday is next month, and her memories > are fading away. > > So, please excuse me for sending reminiscences to the List, > but that is the best communication I have for what I thought > would be of interest. > I have received some private mail from a few members > indicating unhappiness with the posts about the posts, and > the possibilities that too many would start "rambling incoherently". > > Please pardon me, > > Steve Laifman > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker at gmail.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3100 - Release > Date: 08/29/10 01:34:00 From awtiger at cox.net Sun Aug 29 18:02:48 2010 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 19:02:48 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Apologies and Memories In-Reply-To: <4C7AC554.6090909@socal.rr.com> References: <4C7AC554.6090909@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <16BB19F9A427486381215EAD416212DE@awtigerPC> Steve: Hey, man...don't worry about it. Again, the ones who don't want to read your posts can just hit the delete button, ya' know? You just keep on sharing your memories with us; after all, it's all we're left with once the events of the past are gone. Keep rememberin', Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Laifman" To: "Tiger's Den" Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 3:38 PM Subject: [Tigers] Apologies and Memories >I wish to apologies for taking up 2 Tiger List emails with some >reminiscences about cars I've owned, driven or loved. > > I had to ask my lovely wife, Linda, what the date of our 50th wedding > anniversary was. Trust me, WRITE THIS STUFF DOWN or you will never hear > the end of it. > > Some of my older memories are harder to access, and I believed it would be > worthwhile to document it before I can't recall, and the Tiger List seemed > to be appropriate with their own fascination about sporting cars. > > My mother's 102nd birthday is next month, and her memories are fading > away. > > So, please excuse me for sending reminiscences to the List, but that is > the best communication I have for what I thought would be of interest. I > have received some private mail from a few members indicating unhappiness > with the posts about the posts, and the possibilities that too many would > start "rambling incoherently". > > Please pardon me, > > Steve Laifman > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/awtiger at cox.net From bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com Sun Aug 29 18:39:52 2010 From: bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com (bob webb) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:39:52 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Apologies and Memories References: <4C7AC554.6090909@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: i enjoyed it steve. us older guys just have to overlook some folks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Laifman" To: "Tiger's Den" Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 4:38 PM Subject: [Tigers] Apologies and Memories >I wish to apologies for taking up 2 Tiger List emails with some >reminiscences about cars I've owned, driven or loved. > > I had to ask my lovely wife, Linda, what the date of our 50th wedding > anniversary was. Trust me, WRITE THIS STUFF DOWN or you will never hear > the end of it. > > Some of my older memories are harder to access, and I believed it would be > worthwhile to document it before I can't recall, and the Tiger List seemed > to be appropriate with their own fascination about sporting cars. > > My mother's 102nd birthday is next month, and her memories are fading > away. > > So, please excuse me for sending reminiscences to the List, but that is > the best communication I have for what I thought would be of interest. I > have received some private mail from a few members indicating unhappiness > with the posts about the posts, and the possibilities that too many would > start "rambling incoherently". > > Please pardon me, > > Steve Laifman > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/bobjeanbeams at roadrunner.com From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun Aug 29 18:58:30 2010 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:58:30 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Apologies and Memories In-Reply-To: <16BB19F9A427486381215EAD416212DE@awtigerPC> References: <4C7AC554.6090909@socal.rr.com> <16BB19F9A427486381215EAD416212DE@awtigerPC> Message-ID: I must have missed the email that everyone is talking about.. but i have no issues with your car recollections steve,,, bar one.. we need links to photos :-P -- Regards Michael King From clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com Sun Aug 29 19:15:10 2010 From: clarkwgriswold2nd at gmail.com (Clarkwgriswold) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:15:10 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Apologies and Memories In-Reply-To: References: <4C7AC554.6090909@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <7CC4D42D-4D1D-46B4-BA36-4973DB986151@gmail.com> I'm one of the "younger" crowd and it didn't bother me at all. I appreciate the stories and enjoyed reading. The only time I tune out the list is when people are fighting... About stuff unrelated to sunbeams... Lol. Sent from my mobile... From jefferyrandall at gmail.com Sun Aug 29 19:26:32 2010 From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:26:32 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Apologies and Memories In-Reply-To: References: <4C7AC554.6090909@socal.rr.com> <16BB19F9A427486381215EAD416212DE@awtigerPC> Message-ID: Hey Old Guys, How bout show up for T igers United and talk and LISTEN to to as many Sunbeam nuts as can be fit into a crisp New England weekend. I ll be there hope you will too. On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 8:58 PM, michael king wrote: > I must have missed the email that everyone is talking about.. but i have no > issues with your car recollections steve,,, bar one.. we need links to > photos :-P > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jefferyrandall at gmail.com From csx2282 at sonic.net Sun Aug 29 20:15:44 2010 From: csx2282 at sonic.net (csx2282) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 19:15:44 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Apologies and Memories References: Message-ID: <340C2AFBBF554C6FB10FF91443F0EB04@Cobra> I certainly hope no one took my response to the list and Steve about his post as a complaint! In fact just the oposite was the intent since I just love to go on and on about my many decades of car experiences as illustrated in my first brit car adventures rant. Bring it on Steve! Roland ____________________________________________________ I wish to apologies for taking up 2 Tiger List emails with some reminiscences about cars I've owned, driven or loved. I had to ask my lovely wife, Linda, what the date of our 50th wedding anniversary was. Trust me, WRITE THIS STUFF DOWN or you will never hear the end of it. Some of my older memories are harder to access, and I believed it would be worthwhile to document it before I can't recall, and the Tiger List seemed to be appropriate with their own fascination about sporting cars. My mother's 102nd birthday is next month, and her memories are fading away. So, please excuse me for sending reminiscences to the List, but that is the best communication I have for what I thought would be of interest. I have received some private mail from a few members indicating unhappiness with the posts about the posts, and the possibilities that too many would start "rambling incoherently". Please pardon me, Steve Laifman From cars at wt-inc.com Sun Aug 29 20:36:46 2010 From: cars at wt-inc.com (Lynn Wall) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 19:36:46 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Apologies and Memories In-Reply-To: <4C7AC554.6090909@socal.rr.com> References: <4C7AC554.6090909@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <000301cb47ec$315b92d0$9412b870$@com> I can't believe someone would take the time to write a complaint. I was one of those that simply deleted the email (kind of sorry now). If it does not list a topic I am interested in I simply delete. To those of you that would take the time to write a complaint I wonder what the rest of their lives must be like. What a wonderful world they must live in if this causes them enough irritation to take the time to do that. My guess is that they are the same people that stay seated during the final seconds of a sporting event and then complain when others are standing in front of them and cheering. Oh great......., now I have spent more time on them than they are worth. Now, those of you that are too sensitive toward non-tiger topics or worry about the extra band width I am about to take up, feel free to hit delete... I will wait 5 seconds before I go on............... Steve and others, about 8 years ago I sat down with my, then 75 yo, mother and videotaped her and voice recorded (glad I did both) her as I asked a long list of questions about her life. It took about three hours. Today she suffers from severe dementia and probably Alzheimer's. About once a week she gets about 5-10 minutes of lucid, clear thought and then, as fast as it came, it disappears. Literally within seconds. Those tapes are absolutely priceless and a family treasure. Each sibling has a copy. Our family videotapes each child once a year as they reflect on their memories of the prior year. Each child has their own tape and the years run back to back. We talk about school, friends, cars, vacations, achievements, etc. We take several weeks and go through the prior year's calendar and remind each child what they did each month and then in the month of Jan or feb we video tape them. What a blast to watch those tapes back and see their maturation, literally decades worth in about 60 minutes. Those of you with young kids it is the best thing I have ever done with and for my kids. When they get married this will be a gift that we give to their spouse. Now back to regularly scheduled, more deeper, meaningful, topics like paint codes, tire sizes, etc. Lynn -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Laifman Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 1:39 PM To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] Apologies and Memories I wish to apologies for taking up 2 Tiger List emails with some reminiscences about cars I've owned, driven or loved. I had to ask my lovely wife, Linda, what the date of our 50th wedding anniversary was. Trust me, WRITE THIS STUFF DOWN or you will never hear the end of it. Some of my older memories are harder to access, and I believed it would be worthwhile to document it before I can't recall, and the Tiger List seemed to be appropriate with their own fascination about sporting cars. My mother's 102nd birthday is next month, and her memories are fading away. So, please excuse me for sending reminiscences to the List, but that is the best communication I have for what I thought would be of interest. I have received some private mail from a few members indicating unhappiness with the posts about the posts, and the possibilities that too many would start "rambling incoherently". Please pardon me, Steve Laifman _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/cars at wt-inc.com From tgrrr at peoplepc.com Sun Aug 29 20:41:48 2010 From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 19:41:48 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Handling References: <46e12.3cade8e4.39aa6fc0@aol.com> <6FD10BB5-4647-4626-AE67-885C17A4A2FC@comcast.net> Message-ID: <35DC818A04634F1DB4EBDADD94D1C001@bob> Very innovative ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Guerra" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling > Well let me chime in here with an alternative.... Normally items like a > quick > rack, different sway bars, stiffer springs, trussed crossmembers, and MG > racks > all improve the handling but never solve all the problems inherent in the > tigers design and I had all of them in my car. > > I recently installed Dales newest designed front end. It is a entirely > new > crossmember, rack, coil over shocks, nascar style sway bar with adjustable > links, and big Wilwood brakes all in a BOLT IN design. The new > crossmember > all but eliminates bump steer, ackerman angle problems, and tracking > issues. > The upper and lower A-arms are fully adjustable for track width, camber, > and > caster. The adjustable coil over shocks all ride height, and rebound > adjustment changes. You can easily dial in a soft shock setting for a > leisurely drive to the track, reach down and dial in a stiffer setting for > the > track / autocross and then back again if you choose. Sway bar > adjustments > are almost that easy too. I don't know of anyone who would complain about > having more braking in their car either, the large 11.75" vented discs and > 4 > piston calipers make slowing the car almost effortless and reassuring. I > have > had to "re-tune" my driving now. At my first autocross with this new > front > end installed I would hit my normal breaking zone and then find myself > having > to accelerate again just to get to the corner. Those brakes allowed me to > drive deeper into the corner and slow faster than I ever could previously. > > The car drives dramatically different... easy to steer and tracks like a > dream. It drives and handles like a late model sports car now. I am > really > impressed with his design and how well it works, and everyone who drives > my > car agrees. > > If you really want to unlock the potential of the car, you might consider > this > new crossmember design and remember you can allows unbolt it and return > the > car to stock configuration. > > > Rob From atwittsend at verizon.net Sun Aug 29 21:34:40 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:34:40 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] K motor Block and Crank References: <738a0.4ec07236.39abd8a4@aol.com> Message-ID: <6E24A3C4DA8F438E84D4400B991851D2@student2> >>>Hipo cranks were selected for hardness based on a single Brinell test. >>>There will be a visible indentation on the crank indicating that the >>>crank was tested. This does not mean that it was actually a Hipo crank >>>since the cranks that were tested and failed to meet the hardness >>>requirement were then used in the standard 289 build.<<< Which then leads one to ask..., how does one identify a HiPo 289 crank? I vaguely recall someone mentioning a pink (or purple) strip painted on the crank, but 45 years later is it still there (or faked)? Short of having a hardness test done (and knowing the standard) can anyone really know??? Tom From achd73 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 29 22:53:47 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 21:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Apologies and Memories (or DELETE NOW) In-Reply-To: <000301cb47ec$315b92d0$9412b870$@com> Message-ID: <659510.51833.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Lynn- I wish I had done the same with my two siblings. Now almost 34 and 35 and too, I didn't take nearly enough pictures, as I look back thru my childhood at the pics my parents took and in which I leave my sister in charge of, I realize I should have taken more pics to remember moments in life that they or their children, spouses etc would love to see. As for Steve, if you don't mind, please continue with your memories, while you still have the ability to remember them.I and several others enjoy the stories of cars I can only imagine driving. You have been a lucky man to have had such a wealth of automobile history and perhaps a short book on how to fix the problems that happened in order to get home or the next gas station- back when service was a part of being a place that offered services besides self serve gasohol. I also sent Steve a personal email.aletting him know he has plenty of support. Having been there, I know how nice it is to receive words of encouragement from other members. TtT To those of you that would take the time to write a complaint I wonder what the rest of their lives must be like. What a wonderful world they must live in if this causes them enough irritation to take the time to do that. My guess is that they are the same people that stay seated during the final seconds of a sporting event and then complain when others are standing in front of them and cheering. Oh great......., now I have spent more time on them than they are worth. Now back to regularly scheduled, more deeper, meaningful, topics like paint codes, tire sizes, etc. Lynn From v8tracker at gmail.com Sun Aug 29 23:26:34 2010 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 00:26:34 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] K motor Block and Crank In-Reply-To: <6E24A3C4DA8F438E84D4400B991851D2@student2> References: <738a0.4ec07236.39abd8a4@aol.com> <6E24A3C4DA8F438E84D4400B991851D2@student2> Message-ID: Even if the crank has the right mark(s) and the crank passes a second Brinell test, the first mark(s) may have been faked. You may still have a crank from a regular 289 that would have passed the test to be used in a K code engine, but was never tested by Ford. I guess the only way you could be positive is to see the crank come out of a K code engine which you know had never been apart. Incidentally, I am not an early Mustang expect, but I have heard that K codes were not available with air conditioning. However, a travelling salesman that called on my office had a new 1965 fastback with factory A/C. He claimed he had to get special factory approval to order it that way. HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 10:35 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] K motor Block and Crank > > >>>Hipo cranks were selected for hardness based on a single > Brinell test. > >>>There will be a visible indentation on the crank indicating that > >>>the crank was tested. This does not mean that it was > actually a Hipo > >>>crank since the cranks that were tested and failed to meet the > >>>hardness requirement were then used in the standard 289 build.<<< > > Which then leads one to ask..., how does one identify a HiPo > 289 crank? I vaguely recall someone mentioning a pink (or > purple) strip painted on the crank, but 45 years later is it > still there (or faked)? Short of having a hardness test done > (and knowing the standard) can anyone really know??? > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker at gmail.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3101 - Release > Date: 08/29/10 13:34:00 From rande at thecia.net Mon Aug 30 06:46:25 2010 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 08:46:25 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] K motor with A/C Message-ID: <4c7ba821.7264.0@thecia.net> Hi, I, too, remember the order exception with the High Performance 'K' motor, no ..."air conditioning, three-speed manual, Cruise-O-Matic, Limited Slip Differential(!), Rayon Tires". This from the May 15, 1965 price list. The list for the 1966 model year was a little shorter(no A/C, Power Steering, Three Speed Manual, US Royal tire(did they mean red stripe 'Tiger Paws'). I'd add a couple of notes about owners who claimed to have specially optioned Mustangs. Unlike Tigers, Ford was cranking out Mustangs in 1965 and 1966. By my count, each Mustang factory(Dearborn, Milpitas, Metuchen)had to have spit out about 700 cars a production day. Would they have slowed down assembly to accomodate a handful of special requests? That, I don't know. The other factor is that in 1965 and 1966, the factory A/C in Mustangs was the self contained type that hung below the instrument panel and had a Ford crest in the center, and it could also be installed later from a identical Ford-supplied dealer kit. Again, I don't know, but this scenario is more likely. I remember reading an account of a '65/'66 Mustang restoration of a car that was originally built for Lee Iaccoca with leather seats, and there's nothing in the spec sheets these years about leather options. Maybe, sent to a Ford prototype facility or local upholstery shop. I also remember visiting the original Harrah's automobile collection, when they had a Mustang in the restoration shop, and I commented to the tech about the orange peel paint finish. He said this was very typical of Mustang finishes, and Harrah's standard was originality. He said,and this is an approximation, "do you think Ford hand rubbed each coat? They didn't have the time". Just my two shillings. From twojohnsons at cox.net Mon Aug 30 07:02:06 2010 From: twojohnsons at cox.net (Alvin Johnson) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 09:02:06 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Memories References: <4C7AC554.6090909@socal.rr.com> <4C7AD424.4010107@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <9CA2DD33AD9D46B09C15E56F64F0D366@3bfd27b5ca44402> Keep it coming, Steve. From lpaulick1 at verizon.net Mon Aug 30 07:22:52 2010 From: lpaulick1 at verizon.net (Larry Paulick) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 09:22:52 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Apologies and Memories In-Reply-To: <4C7AC554.6090909@socal.rr.com> References: <4C7AC554.6090909@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <4C7BB0AC.9090403@verizon.net> Steve, no appoligies necessary from my perspective. You have earned the right to reminisces, and I enjoy learning about other cars from those who actually owned them. Real life perspective, on the good, bad, and what needs to be done to fix the bad. Tigers overheat, not if you do some simple fixes. Larry On 8/29/10 4:38 PM, Steve Laifman wrote: > I wish to apologies for taking up 2 Tiger List emails with some > reminiscences about cars I've owned, driven or loved. > > I had to ask my lovely wife, Linda, what the date of our 50th wedding > anniversary was. Trust me, WRITE THIS STUFF DOWN or you will never > hear the end of it. > > Some of my older memories are harder to access, and I believed it > would be worthwhile to document it before I can't recall, and the > Tiger List seemed to be appropriate with their own fascination about > sporting cars. > > My mother's 102nd birthday is next month, and her memories are fading > away. > > So, please excuse me for sending reminiscences to the List, but that > is the best communication I have for what I thought would be of > interest. I have received some private mail from a few members > indicating unhappiness with the posts about the posts, and the > possibilities that too many would start "rambling incoherently". > > Please pardon me, > > Steve Laifman > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/lpaulick1 at verizon.net From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Aug 30 07:24:38 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 09:24:38 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] K motor Block and Crank In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <6214AB42722D4B48BC3986D2F33F46D4@ronpc1> Bob Mannel states in his book that the HiPo cranks have an orange paint dap. Some cranks have the Brinell harness stamped into the crank; 42 is around normal for standard 289 crank, 65 is a high hardness number. My 1965 Ford price guide shows Mustang - Ford A/C as a $283.20 option. I'm sure any Dealer would gladly do a Dealer installed A/C on any Mustang for an addition slight Shop fee. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of A. C. Tynes Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:27 AM To: 'Thomas Witt'; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] K motor Block and Crank Even if the crank has the right mark(s) and the crank passes a second Brinell test, the first mark(s) may have been faked. You may still have a crank from a regular 289 that would have passed the test to be used in a K code engine, but was never tested by Ford. I guess the only way you could be positive is to see the crank come out of a K code engine which you know had never been apart. Incidentally, I am not an early Mustang expect, but I have heard that K codes were not available with air conditioning. However, a travelling salesman that called on my office had a new 1965 fastback with factory A/C. He claimed he had to get special factory approval to order it that way. HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 10:35 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] K motor Block and Crank > > >>>Hipo cranks were selected for hardness based on a single > Brinell test. > >>>There will be a visible indentation on the crank indicating that > >>>the crank was tested. This does not mean that it was > actually a Hipo > >>>crank since the cranks that were tested and failed to meet the > >>>hardness requirement were then used in the standard 289 build.<<< > > Which then leads one to ask..., how does one identify a HiPo > 289 crank? I vaguely recall someone mentioning a pink (or > purple) strip painted on the crank, but 45 years later is it > still there (or faked)? Short of having a hardness test done > (and knowing the standard) can anyone really know??? > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker at gmail.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3101 - Release > Date: 08/29/10 13:34:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3097 - Release Date: 08/27/10 06:34:00 From Carmods at aol.com Mon Aug 30 07:28:20 2010 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 09:28:20 EDT Subject: [Tigers] K motor Block and Crank Message-ID: <9ec4b.2aec791d.39ad0bf4@aol.com> _atwittsend at verizon.net_ (mailto:atwittsend at verizon.net) writes: Which then leads one to ask..., how does one identify a HiPo 289 crank? Hi Tom, In addition to the Brinell mark, there is supposed to be an orange color code (that may be worn off or added on) and a K stamped next to the last counteweight. Thehe K could also be added on. John From todbrown at roadrunner.com Mon Aug 30 07:33:14 2010 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 09:33:14 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Apologies and Memories Message-ID: <4C7BB31A.2060700@roadrunner.com> Steve: One of the biggest regrets we will always have is not finding out as much as we can about some subject when we had a chance. I will not object until you begin to repeat yourself. Cheers, Tod B382002384LRXFE From jd.sencindiver at gmail.com Mon Aug 30 07:35:34 2010 From: jd.sencindiver at gmail.com (Jim Sencindiver) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 09:35:34 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] ACCELERATION DEFINED and Experienced! In-Reply-To: <06BD111789614213B87D133E81844191@jeffnicholsPC> References: <06BD111789614213B87D133E81844191@jeffnicholsPC> Message-ID: On my First Class (Senior Year) Midshipman cruise on USS America, I was able to get one ride (round trip) on an E2C - the Radar Early Warning Plane. The Catapult launch is a pretty violent affair, going from O to 120 mph (relative to the Carrier) in just 2 seconds. The arrested landing is equally violent, going from 120 mph to 0 (relative to the Carrier) in 2 seconds. Better than ANY amusement park ride! -- Jim Sencindiver B382100451/TAC 448 http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp From lpaulick1 at verizon.net Mon Aug 30 07:44:13 2010 From: lpaulick1 at verizon.net (Larry Paulick) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 09:44:13 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Apologies and Memories (or DELETE NOW) In-Reply-To: <659510.51833.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <659510.51833.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4C7BB5AD.5090605@verizon.net> And as long as we are on the subject, the Tiger Community owes Steve a Really Big Thank You for all the work he has done in starting and continuing to maintain Tigers United. I can tell you from first hand experience, that it is a major under taking, and with Theo's help, is a Major Resource for info, that is too under used, judging by the questions that come on the list frequently. The TU and archives have info that is invaluable to those who want to really research issues regarding Tigers, and of course the Clubs have also made major contributions to this as well. Point in case, overheating, TEAE article by Tiger Tom and Chuck and Andy King is the most authoritative peice of good engineering on Tiger overheating out there, bar none that I have read. I just flat out works, because of the extensive work done. Don't have a fan shroud, look here to find a replacement from the junk yard. Look at these sources first, as most of the questions are already answered. CAT publishes a Tiger Tip from past club newsletters, and this to me is a must read and have, just to know what you don't know, if nothing else. Larry On 8/30/10 12:53 AM, Tony Somebody wrote: > Lynn- I wish I had done the same with my two siblings. Now almost 34 and 35 > and too, I didn't take nearly enough pictures, as I look back thru my > childhood at the pics my parents took and in which I leave my sister in charge > of, I realize I should have taken more pics to remember moments in life that > they or their children, spouses etc would love to see. As for Steve, if you > don't mind, please continue with your memories, while you still have the > ability to remember them.I and several others enjoy the stories of cars I can > only imagine driving. You have been a lucky man to have had such a wealth of > automobile history and perhaps a short book on how to fix the problems that > happened in order to get home or the next gas station- back when service was a > part of being a place that offered services besides self serve gasohol. I also > sent Steve a personal email.aletting him know he has plenty of support. Having > been there, I know how nice it is to receive > words of encouragement from other members. > TtT > To those of you that would take the time to write a complaint I wonder what > the rest of their lives must be like. What a wonderful world they must live > in if this causes them enough irritation to take the time to do that. My > guess is that they are the same people that stay seated during the final > seconds of a sporting event and then complain when others are standing in > front of them and cheering. > > Oh great......., now I have spent more time on them than they are worth. > Now back to regularly scheduled, more deeper, meaningful, topics like paint > codes, tire sizes, etc. > > Lynn > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/lpaulick1 at verizon.net From twojohnsons at cox.net Mon Aug 30 08:06:56 2010 From: twojohnsons at cox.net (Alvin Johnson) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:06:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] How do you want your Ford Mustang? References: <4c7ba821.7264.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: <0126F0D474BA4C8E80A3186A51E16011@3bfd27b5ca44402> The really important dealers could "pick up the phone" and special order accessorized cars. Bob Tasca did just that for many of my friends. From TMorton at bma1915.com Mon Aug 30 08:19:30 2010 From: TMorton at bma1915.com (Terry Morton) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:19:30 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Automobile History Message-ID: <3CB8B4340F95574EB94BC8370752ADA00127D4F9@bmadata1.bmi1915.priv> I can't believe there is anyone that owns a 45 year old British automobile that has no interest in British automobile history. Isn't that one of the reasons we own and love these old money pits. Sounds like they may be a good candidate for a NEW car. Terry. From TMorton at bma1915.com Mon Aug 30 08:26:35 2010 From: TMorton at bma1915.com (Terry Morton) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 10:26:35 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Automobile History Message-ID: <3CB8B4340F95574EB94BC8370752ADA00127D4FB@bmadata1.bmi1915.priv> I can't believe there is anyone that owns a 45 year old British automobile that has no interest in British automobile history. Isn't that one of the reasons we own and love these old money pits. Sounds like they may be a good candidate for a NEW car. Terry. From atwittsend at verizon.net Mon Aug 30 09:26:41 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 08:26:41 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] K motor Block and Crank References: <9ec4b.2aec791d.39ad0bf4@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks John. Seems a HiPo crank and an Alger potentially have something in common. The 5 bolt 289 in my Tiger was "purported" to have been a HiPo. However, the balancer and the heads tell a different story. It definitely does not have a standard cam. It's a solid lifter , with .460/280-ish numbers. At the time I was using zero to zero for the duration measurement instead of .006 and .050 (didn't know better). The zero to zero measurements were a little over 300 duration. Anyway, that cam is probably where the HiPo terminology was erroneously applied to my motor. Not an issue, I was expecting a 260 so I did get a little "bonus." Tom > Which then leads one to ask..., how does one identify a HiPo 289 crank? > > Hi Tom, > > In addition to the Brinell mark, there is supposed to be an orange color > code (that may be worn off or added on) and a K stamped next to the last > counteweight. Thehe K could also be added on. > > John From s_ralsten at yahoo.com Mon Aug 30 09:41:08 2010 From: s_ralsten at yahoo.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 08:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Apologies and Memories In-Reply-To: <4C7AC554.6090909@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <854641.45283.qm@web120110.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Don't apologize. I enjoy reading about old cars and seeing old cars. I enjoy leaning from anyone and everyone. You have done a great service to Tiger owners by keeping Tigers United online. I enjoy anything you write and if that should every change I can stop reading. I would love to see the names of the people who complained but I know you are too much a gentleman for that, Regards Steve Ralsten From nmpubs at gmail.com Mon Aug 30 10:07:35 2010 From: nmpubs at gmail.com (William Carroll) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 09:07:35 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] K motor Block and Crank In-Reply-To: References: <9ec4b.2aec791d.39ad0bf4@aol.com> Message-ID: there was a first-run K engine (Number 28) installed in the Shelby prototype after it returned from England. The Orange mark, and a few other colors, were in the crankcase. Never noticed a "K" stamp on crank. These early engines were sent to Carroll for early Cobra engine upgrades. Cheers.......Bill Carroll.............. On 8/30/10, Thomas Witt wrote: > Thanks John. Seems a HiPo crank and an Alger potentially have something in > common. The 5 bolt 289 in my Tiger was "purported" to have been a HiPo. > However, the balancer and the heads tell a different story. It definitely > does not have a standard cam. It's a solid lifter , with .460/280-ish > numbers. At the time I was using zero to zero for the duration measurement > instead of .006 and .050 (didn't know better). The zero to zero measurements > were a little over 300 duration. > > Anyway, that cam is probably where the HiPo terminology was erroneously > applied to my motor. Not an issue, I was expecting a 260 so I did get a > little "bonus." > > Tom > > > >> Which then leads one to ask..., how does one identify a HiPo 289 crank? >> >> Hi Tom, >> >> In addition to the Brinell mark, there is supposed to be an orange color >> code (that may be worn off or added on) and a K stamped next to the last >> counteweight. Thehe K could also be added on. >> >> John > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/nmpubs at gmail.com From sganz at pacbell.net Mon Aug 30 10:19:12 2010 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 09:19:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Apologies and Memories (or DELETE NOW) In-Reply-To: <4C7BB5AD.5090605@verizon.net> References: <659510.51833.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4C7BB5AD.5090605@verizon.net> Message-ID: <382151.8607.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, I would say that thanks are a minimum that is due to all the people that help out. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Larry Paulick To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 6:44:13 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Apologies and Memories (or DELETE NOW) And as long as we are on the subject, the Tiger Community owes Steve a Really Big Thank You for all the work he has done in starting and continuing to maintain Tigers United. I can tell you from first hand experience, that it is a major under taking, and with Theo's help, is a Major Resource for info, that is too under used, judging by the questions that come on the list frequently. The TU and archives have info that is invaluable to those who want to really research issues regarding Tigers, and of course the Clubs have also made major contributions to this as well. Point in case, overheating, TEAE article by Tiger Tom and Chuck and Andy King is the most authoritative peice of good engineering on Tiger overheating out there, bar none that I have read. I just flat out works, because of the extensive work done. Don't have a fan shroud, look here to find a replacement from the junk yard. Look at these sources first, as most of the questions are already answered. CAT publishes a Tiger Tip from past club newsletters, and this to me is a must read and have, just to know what you don't know, if nothing else. Larry On 8/30/10 12:53 AM, Tony Somebody wrote: > Lynn- I wish I had done the same with my two siblings. Now almost 34 and 35 > and too, I didn't take nearly enough pictures, as I look back thru my > childhood at the pics my parents took and in which I leave my sister in charge > of, I realize I should have taken more pics to remember moments in life that > they or their children, spouses etc would love to see. As for Steve, if you > don't mind, please continue with your memories, while you still have the > ability to remember them.I and several others enjoy the stories of cars I can > only imagine driving. You have been a lucky man to have had such a wealth of > automobile history and perhaps a short book on how to fix the problems that > happened in order to get home or the next gas station- back when service was a > part of being a place that offered services besides self serve gasohol. I also > sent Steve a personal email.aletting him know he has plenty of support. Having > been there, I know how nice it is to receive > words of encouragement from other members. > TtT > To those of you that would take the time to write a complaint I wonder what > the rest of their lives must be like. What a wonderful world they must live > in if this causes them enough irritation to take the time to do that. My > guess is that they are the same people that stay seated during the final > seconds of a sporting event and then complain when others are standing in > front of them and cheering. > > Oh great......., now I have spent more time on them than they are worth. > Now back to regularly scheduled, more deeper, meaningful, topics like paint > codes, tire sizes, etc. > > Lynn > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/lpaulick1 at verizon.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sganz at pacbell.net From jaars at emailmv.com Mon Aug 30 13:11:59 2010 From: jaars at emailmv.com (Robert Jaarsma) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:11:59 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] TE/AE ROOTES UNITED 2010 is coming up soon! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: UNITED of Tigers East/Alpines East for all cars of the ROOTES GROUP! October 8 -10, 2010 in Rockland, Maine Besides Tigers and Series Alpines, TE/AE invites all other cars of the ROOTES GROUP, Commer, Hillman, Humber, Singer, Sunbeam, Sunbeam-Talbot and Sunbeam Motorcycles. The weather is beautiful in Maine in October. It's a great place for a Rally. And we'll have one at the United. For more details visit: www.RootesAmerica.org Register now! We do not want to miss you there, and you do not want to miss it. Choose from a long list of events at the UNITED. We've got a Sunset Cruise and a Lobstah bake which are truly unique New England experiences. Hey! Don't like cruises and lobsters? There are other lots of other choices! Tech sessions, Concours d' Elegance, Owls Head Transportation Museum, Autocross, Awards and Trophies! The time is running out to reserve rooms at the Samoset (don't forget to say TEAE when you do!) Columbus Day Weekend is a very busy time in Rockland Maine. Our allotment of rooms is almost full at the Samoset. We have two other nearby locations which will hold rooms only until Sept. 9. If you would like to be part of this very special UNITED, time is running out to reserve accommodations. And there are alternative registration fees if you can not attend the entire event, please contact Steve Towle at RootesUnited2010 at gmail.com. Check out the event details and the schedule of events. Oh, did we say Register enough times? From alittlemoreink at hotmail.com Mon Aug 30 15:12:47 2010 From: alittlemoreink at hotmail.com (John Crawley) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:12:47 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Apologies and Memories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve: You left your TIGER out of the list . . . I would love to hear your one paragraph words of wisdom of how it stacks up. Jc From dsp781 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 30 15:21:18 2010 From: dsp781 at hotmail.com (Dexter Polistock) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:21:18 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] FW: Need Missing Trim MK II Rocker Molding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Please post still need part. Thanks - - Dexter From: dsp781 at hotmail.com To: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Need Missing Trim MK II Rocker Molding Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 23:01:11 -0400 To All, 67 MK II left hand rocker stainless steel trim needed either NOS or used. Please advise if you have or where to locate and price. Will consider right hand trim also. Thanks - - Dexter From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Mon Aug 30 15:37:30 2010 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:37:30 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] k engines Message-ID: <006201cb488b$8d1552b0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4> The crank should have a small extra counter weight just behind the balancer inside the timing cover, and the "K" referrs to the engine letter code in the chassic number of the car, don't believe its on the crank, but maybe it is...the heads are machined differently for the valve springs, and hi po is casted on to the head, take off the valve covers its easy to see, Clyde From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Aug 30 15:46:42 2010 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:46:42 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Apologies and Memories Message-ID: In regards to Steve reminiscing about cars owned and cars driven....Tim Studdard did a column in last month's Classic Motorsport on the same subject.....can he has owned and cars he has driven. Actually, was one of my favorite columns from him. And of the dozens and dozens of exotic cars that Tim has driven, he rates his Tiger as #1 choice for a street driven car. Anyway Steve, you are in good company in sharing your car experiences. Mark L From jliny5 at cox.net Mon Aug 30 16:17:09 2010 From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:17:09 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Handling In-Reply-To: References: <46e12.3cade8e4.39aa6fc0@aol.com> Message-ID: <4B63FE6D73444FAAA04D65867EA6AD70@JPC> Hi all, While on the subject of handling, I am getting ready to put new tires on my Mk1. I was seeking any advice on specs for the front end alignment. Currently, I have 175/70x13 tires on Cosmic 5.5 wheels and the I am told by the previous owner the aligment is set as follows: Castor +3 - +4, Camber -0.75-1.0, Toe 1/16th in. I am considering 205/60x13 tires on the same wheels. The front suspension is stock. Do I need to change my alignment specs and if so what should they be? I saw Tom's reference to the CAT shop notes and the entry on alignment specs for different tires. I looked but could not find it in the edition I have. Thanks, Jim Lindner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Parker" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling > Mark, > > I'm assuming the car handled acceptably before the steering rack and tires > were changed. True? > > The steering rack change is to help correct the legendary Ackerman angle > problem Shelby's dyslectic engineers built into the Tiger. I don't think > it > should adversely affect steering, but I'll defer to the guys who have done > it and know. Same for the sway bars. > > My guess is the alignment isn't appropriate for the tires you have > installed. C.A.T. Shop Notes has (I think, I'm not near the book...) front > end alignment settings for radial tires. Add to that Camber shoud be - > according to a recent posr here - closer to vertical than the stock > settings. I think I'd start there. > > Tom > ' 67 Mark 2 > > On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 9:57 AM, wrote: > >> I've made some changes over the past few years and haven't been >> satisfied >> with the handling. The 2 things that seem different are: >> Pretty bad understeer on curves at 40 mph+ >> Car's tendency to want to follow ruts in the road. >> It seems that the 2 problems are contradictory. >> >> The things that I've changed from stock are: >> MG Midget steering rack >> Wheels that were high profile 185 x 13 are now 195 x 50 x16 (front) and >> 205 x 50 x16 (rear). >> Thicker sway bar on front (I think it's 7/8's") >> 1/2" thick shims above the front springs (to raise the front a little >> Softened the front shock adjustment because I thought it would be too >> hard >> with low profile tires. >> Done an allignment and that seems good. >> >> Any suggestions? >> Mark L >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5 at cox.net From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 30 16:24:48 2010 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:24:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] ACCELERATION DEFINED and Experienced! In-Reply-To: References: <06BD111789614213B87D133E81844191@jeffnicholsPC> Message-ID: " Better than ANY amusement park ride! " Maybe, but you only did it one time. Didn't someone do a survey a year or two back, (I think my memory is slipping) and the average age of a Tiger owner was practically retirement age. I for one, look forward to the day when all of us old geezers spend our time reminiscing about the great old days and the cars we used to drive. And on occasion, someone may bring up Sunbeam Tigers. Jeff _____ From: Jim Sencindiver [mailto:jd.sencindiver at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 9:36 AM To: Jeffrey Nichols Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] ACCELERATION DEFINED and Experienced! On my First Class (Senior Year) Midshipman cruise on USS America, I was able to get one ride (round trip) on an E2C - the Radar Early Warning Plane. The Catapult launch is a pretty violent affair, going from O to 120 mph (relative to the Carrier) in just 2 seconds. The arrested landing is equally violent, going from 120 mph to 0 (relative to the Carrier) in 2 seconds. Better than ANY amusement park ride! -- Jim Sencindiver B382100451/TAC 448 http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Mon Aug 30 17:52:08 2010 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:52:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Vintage C.T. Wheels Message-ID: Does anybody know anything about C.T. Wheels made in the sixties by C.T. Alloy Products of Hayward California? thanks, Buck Trippel From mgman71 at comcast.net Mon Aug 30 18:37:09 2010 From: mgman71 at comcast.net (George Re) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 00:37:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Seat Question In-Reply-To: <765288270.50408.1283214691501.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <509115766.50854.1283215029117.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> My question is I just got my seats out of storage after 10 years and was taking them apart it looks like my seats the strap type rubber bands below the foam cushions BUT I brought the diaphram kit for the seats my question is can I convert my seats to the diapham type? hope someone can help. Thanks Again George Re From djoh797014 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 30 20:27:28 2010 From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:27:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Seat Question In-Reply-To: <509115766.50854.1283215029117.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <509115766.50854.1283215029117.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <91076.53859.qm@web111619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The diaphrams are held by very strong clips that go into holes along the frame rail. Borrow a seat and drill holes in your fram rail and you are in buisness. Dve ________________________________ From: George Re To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 8:37:09 PM Subject: [Tigers] Seat Question My question is I just got my seats out of storage after 10 years and was taking them apart it looks like my seats the strap type rubber bands below the foam cushions BUT I brought the diaphram kit for the seats my question is can I convert my seats to the diapham type? hope someone can help. Thanks Again George Re _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/djoh797014 at yahoo.com From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Aug 31 06:46:50 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:46:50 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] k engines In-Reply-To: <006201cb488b$8d1552b0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4> Message-ID: <836D7379D16148AE8CB25B36564A5A40@ronpc1> The 289 HiPo is a combination of specific Ford engine parts with tighter inspection requirements. The heads had larger valves, sometimes smaller combustion chambers and screw in rocker arm studs but I'm not familiar with HiPo cast into the head. I'm not the expert on HiPo engines but I have not seen that under the valve cover. Hipo cast into the head would be an extra cost for the casting process. If the head did not meet inspection requirements for the HiPo they would have to be destroyed. I don't believe Ford did that; if the head did not meet requirements for HiPo engines it was most likely put back into the std 289 production line. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Clyde McLaughlin Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 5:38 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] k engines The crank should have a small extra counter weight just behind the balancer inside the timing cover, and the "K" referrs to the engine letter code in the chassic number of the car, don't believe its on the crank, but maybe it is...the heads are machined differently for the valve springs, and hi po is casted on to the head, take off the valve covers its easy to see, Clyde _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3102 - Release Date: 08/30/10 06:35:00 From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Aug 31 06:56:51 2010 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:56:51 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Seat Question In-Reply-To: <509115766.50854.1283215029117.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: George I believe the holes used for the straps are the same ones used for the diaphragm but it has been a long time since I compared them. I tried the diaphragm on one of my seats and I thought the diaphragm fell apart too soon maybe the parts are better now or I just got it all wrong on that attempt. I have gone to the strap system on the current seats I'm still restoring. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Re Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:37 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Seat Question My question is I just got my seats out of storage after 10 years and was taking them apart it looks like my seats the strap type rubber bands below the foam cushions BUT I brought the diaphram kit for the seats my question is can I convert my seats to the diapham type? hope someone can help. Thanks Again George Re _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3102 - Release Date: 08/30/10 06:35:00 From Parlanti at comcast.net Tue Aug 31 07:35:47 2010 From: Parlanti at comcast.net (Joe Parlanti) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:35:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Seat Question In-Reply-To: References: <509115766.50854.1283215029117.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <00d101cb4911$73a66ef0$5af34cd0$@net> As far as I know, the frames are different between the early strap type and later diaphragm type. I may have mentioned it in my earlier email but I bought the diaphragm kit thinking I had the later seats in my Mk1A. I soon learned that my car was a crossover with the earlier seats. I determined this after trying to get the diaphragm to stretch far enough to attach to the frames. After realizing it wasn't going to work, I called Rick at Sunbeam Specialties who confirmed that I had the earlier seats. Hope this helps, JVP B382000026 Joseph V. Parlanti 16048 Copen Meadow Dr North Potomac, Md. 20878 Cell - 301-461-0626 Email - Parlanti at comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:57 AM To: 'George Re'; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Seat Question George I believe the holes used for the straps are the same ones used for the diaphragm but it has been a long time since I compared them. I tried the diaphragm on one of my seats and I thought the diaphragm fell apart too soon maybe the parts are better now or I just got it all wrong on that attempt. I have gone to the strap system on the current seats I'm still restoring. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Re Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:37 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Seat Question My question is I just got my seats out of storage after 10 years and was taking them apart it looks like my seats the strap type rubber bands below the foam cushions BUT I brought the diaphram kit for the seats my question is can I convert my seats to the diapham type? hope someone can help. Thanks Again George Re _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3102 - Release Date: 08/30/10 06:35:00 _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/parlanti at comcast.net From mark.rense at ge.com Tue Aug 31 08:18:20 2010 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 10:18:20 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] ACCELERATION DEFINED and Experienced! In-Reply-To: References: <06BD111789614213B87D133E81844191@jeffnicholsPC> Message-ID: I grew up in the shadow of a father that raced and enjoyed fast street cars including a couple Tigers and a CSX3200 series Cobra. I inherited the speed and acceleration itch but could never really scratch it since he knew damn well I would kill myself with a fast car. All that changed the first time I threw a leg over a friend's Honda 305 Superhawk and I haven't looked back since. The Old Man gave in when I got a dirt bike, a CZ 250 Twinport, and I started riding and racing motocross. I managed to wrangle a Suzuki 500 Titan, then a Norton Commando for the street, none of which the old man was the wiser, my employment in a bike shop after school didn't hurt the cause. Well, after 40 years and many fast cars and motorbikes, I can say there is still nothing like the bang you get from riding a fast sportbike on the track. Rolling the throttle on at the apex, the bike lifts off your knee and straightens as the rear tire hooks up to unleash 180 horsepower and you explode out of the keyhole at Mid-Ohio. Snapping through the gears at full throttle you touch 170 or so on the long back straight as you hit 13 grand in sixth gear before reining it in for turn seven, all the while trying to keep three other riders from taking your line and stuffing you into the China Beach runoff. I had several friends who upon returning from Vietnam took up bike racing, all said it was the closest adrenaline high they could get after experiencing being in a fire fight. I believed them. Although my racing days are long passed, I still do a couple track days a year at Mid-Ohio, Nelsons Ledges and Beaverun. Yes, my stroker Tigers and ZR-1 are great fun, but when it comes to answering The Need For Speed, nothing can get you there like a wicked fast sportbike! Bugz From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 31 09:21:31 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] ACCELERATION DEFINED and Experienced! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <839183.47879.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> THANKS for sharing Bugz. I can only dream about the fun you had and the close calls you didn't mention and I'm sure they happened when least expected and more often that desired BUT with BIG Horsepower on small, go fast 2 wheelers, just making a hot lap has it dangers as just the master link can create one bad wreck that only you my know what happened IF U had been able to tell anyone. My adrenalin came from the mountains, creeks and caves in WV. I knew a few people who owned a chopper but they only raced in a straight line against late 60s street rods and those titles weren't used back then. thanks again. TtT Although my racing days are long passed, I still do a couple track days a year at Mid-Ohio, Nelsons Ledges and Beaverun. Yes, my stroker Tigers and ZR-1 are great fun, but when it comes to answering The Need For Speed, nothing can get you there like a wicked fast sportbike! Bugz _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From jim at island.net Tue Aug 31 10:06:32 2010 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:06:32 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] k engines In-Reply-To: <836D7379D16148AE8CB25B36564A5A40@ronpc1> References: <006201cb488b$8d1552b0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4> <836D7379D16148AE8CB25B36564A5A40@ronpc1> Message-ID: <68C852B043F847F6B9EC07CF65A58AC8@JIMPC> My Tiger had a 6 bolt HiPo in it when I bought it. The only difference in the head casting was that they had 'pockets' cast in them to hold the valve springs and they were fitted with screw in studs. The valves were the same as any other... Here is a VERY good description of the differences... which aren't many... http://www.hipomustang.com/images/hipoeng/ Jim B382000446 . -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: August 31, 2010 5:47 AM To: 'Clyde McLaughlin'; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] k engines The 289 HiPo is a combination of specific Ford engine parts with tighter inspection requirements. The heads had larger valves, sometimes smaller combustion chambers and screw in rocker arm studs but I'm not familiar with HiPo cast into the head. I'm not the expert on HiPo engines but I have not seen that under the valve cover. Hipo cast into the head would be an extra cost for the casting process. If the head did not meet inspection requirements for the HiPo they would have to be destroyed. I don't believe Ford did that; if the head did not meet requirements for HiPo engines it was most likely put back into the std 289 production line. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Clyde McLaughlin Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 5:38 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] k engines The crank should have a small extra counter weight just behind the balancer inside the timing cover, and the "K" referrs to the engine letter code in the chassic number of the car, don't believe its on the crank, but maybe it is...the heads are machined differently for the valve springs, and hi po is casted on to the head, take off the valve covers its easy to see, Clyde From mark.rense at ge.com Tue Aug 31 11:58:17 2010 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE, Appl & Light)) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:58:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] k engines In-Reply-To: <68C852B043F847F6B9EC07CF65A58AC8@JIMPC> References: <006201cb488b$8d1552b0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4><836D7379D16148AE8CB25B36564A5A40@ronpc1> <68C852B043F847F6B9EC07CF65A58AC8@JIMPC> Message-ID: Jim - that was an excellent link, thank you! -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 12:07 PM To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; 'Clyde McLaughlin'; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] k engines My Tiger had a 6 bolt HiPo in it when I bought it. The only difference in the head casting was that they had 'pockets' cast in them to hold the valve springs and they were fitted with screw in studs. The valves were the same as any other... Here is a VERY good description of the differences... which aren't many... http://www.hipomustang.com/images/hipoeng/ Jim B382000446 From rsdslp at juno.com Tue Aug 31 12:27:32 2010 From: rsdslp at juno.com (rsdslp at juno.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:27:32 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Clutch P/Ns Message-ID: <20100831.112732.17985.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com> Sorry to ask for info that has been discussed so many times in the past but it is time to replace my tiger's clutch and I was hoping someone could give me part numbers to take down to my local parts store. From past list discussions it sounds like I should go for one of the Centerforce clutches. All suggestions appreciated. Thanks Bob ____________________________________________________________ Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c7d49f7d17bb3a41e8st06duc From jim at island.net Tue Aug 31 12:56:39 2010 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 11:56:39 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Clutch P/Ns In-Reply-To: <20100831.112732.17985.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com> References: <20100831.112732.17985.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: Hi Bob I'm pretty sure I used DF490030 ... They show that as fitting early Fairlane, Mustang, Falcon etc. ... Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rsdslp at juno.com Sent: August 31, 2010 11:28 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Clutch P/Ns Sorry to ask for info that has been discussed so many times in the past but it is time to replace my tiger's clutch and I was hoping someone could give me part numbers to take down to my local parts store. From past list discussions it sounds like I should go for one of the Centerforce clutches. All suggestions appreciated. Thanks Bob From v8tracker at gmail.com Tue Aug 31 14:32:30 2010 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:32:30 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] k engines In-Reply-To: <68C852B043F847F6B9EC07CF65A58AC8@JIMPC> References: <006201cb488b$8d1552b0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4><836D7379D16148AE8CB25B36564A5A40@ronpc1> <68C852B043F847F6B9EC07CF65A58AC8@JIMPC> Message-ID: <041FD6FFDBE2420E8FC69502BEB135E3@DellD4700> Jim, that's what I call a prime source of excellent information. It has been duly bookmarked. Thanks, A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:07 AM > To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; 'Clyde McLaughlin'; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] k engines > > My Tiger had a 6 bolt HiPo in it when I bought it. The only > difference in the head casting was that they had 'pockets' > cast in them to hold the valve springs and they were fitted > with screw in studs. The valves were the same as any other... > Here is a VERY good description of the differences... which > aren't many... > > http://www.hipomustang.com/images/hipoeng/ > > Jim > B382000446 > . > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Ron Fraser > Sent: August 31, 2010 5:47 AM > To: 'Clyde McLaughlin'; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] k engines > > The 289 HiPo is a combination of specific Ford engine > parts with tighter inspection requirements. > > The heads had larger valves, sometimes smaller combustion > chambers and screw > in rocker arm studs but I'm not familiar with HiPo cast into > the head. I'm > not the expert on HiPo engines but I have not seen that under > the valve cover. > > Hipo cast into the head would be an extra cost for the casting > process. If the head did not meet inspection requirements > for the HiPo > they would have to be destroyed. I don't believe Ford did > that; if the head did not meet requirements for HiPo engines > it was most likely put back into the std 289 production line. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Clyde McLaughlin > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 5:38 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] k engines > > > The crank should have a small extra counter weight just > behind the balancer inside the timing cover, and the "K" > referrs to the engine letter code in the chassic number of > the car, don't believe its on the crank, but maybe it > is...the heads are machined differently for the valve > springs, and hi po is casted on to the head, take off the > valve covers its easy to see, Clyde > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/v8tracker at gmail.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3104 - Release > Date: 08/31/10 01:34:00 From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 31 14:33:10 2010 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] k engines In-Reply-To: <68C852B043F847F6B9EC07CF65A58AC8@JIMPC> Message-ID: <492286.57428.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Most informative post to date Jim. THANKS for the information. I think we now all know the most important items to talk about when a 289 HiPo is the subject. Tony Lang (TtT) --- On Tue, 8/31/10, Jim wrote: From: Jim Subject: Re: [Tigers] k engines To: rfraser at bluefrog.com, "'Clyde McLaughlin'" , tigers at autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 11:06 AM My Tiger had a 6 bolt HiPo in it when I bought it. The only difference in the head casting was that they had 'pockets' cast in them to hold the valve springs and they were fitted with screw in studs. The valves were the same as any other... Here is a VERY good description of the differences... which aren't many... http://www.hipomustang.com/images/hipoeng/ Jim B382000446 . -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: August 31, 2010 5:47 AM To: 'Clyde McLaughlin'; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] k engines The 289 HiPo is a combination of specific Ford engine parts with tighter inspection requirements. The heads had larger valves, sometimes smaller combustion chambers and screw in rocker arm studs but I'm not familiar with HiPo cast into the head. I'm not the expert on HiPo engines but I have not seen that under the valve cover. Hipo cast into the head would be an extra cost for the casting process. If the head did not meet inspection requirements for the HiPo they would have to be destroyed. I don't believe Ford did that; if the head did not meet requirements for HiPo engines it was most likely put back into the std 289 production line. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Clyde McLaughlin Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 5:38 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] k engines The crank should have a small extra counter weight just behind the balancer inside the timing cover, and the "K" referrs to the engine letter code in the chassic number of the car, don't believe its on the crank, but maybe it is...the heads are machined differently for the valve springs, and hi po is casted on to the head, take off the valve covers its easy to see, Clyde _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/achd73 at yahoo.com From rpbeck at hotmail.com Tue Aug 31 14:47:03 2010 From: rpbeck at hotmail.com (Robert Beck) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:47:03 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] testing No text Message-ID: No text From ZForce56 at aol.com Tue Aug 31 15:44:38 2010 From: ZForce56 at aol.com (ZForce56 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:44:38 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Clutch P/Ns Message-ID: <10c4e2.52c43b41.39aed1c6@aol.com> Here is link to a clutch/flywheel part number tech advice discussion that appears on the TE/AE website. It is somewhat dated as it seems to have been written circa 1981. The car it references is B9473202 and the owner at the time was Rich Bakula who in 1981 apparently lived near Melbourne, FL. The tech letter is a pretty detailed discussion of the components originally supplied to Sunbeam by Ford for his red '65 Tiger. By the way, I am still hoping to hear from anyone who might remember Rich Bakula (or his Tiger). I would love to have a clearer history and a little human interest background on my car. I have discovered that there is a Rich Bakula living in the Palace Retirement Home in Rockledge. Florida not far from Melbourne. Does this jog any memories? This Richard E. Bakula is an elderly Alzeimer's patient under the guardianship of a state- appointed case worker. I am always saddened at the thought of an elderly person spending his/her twilight years not surrounded by loving family. I still don't know if I have found the right guy. My dad at 91 would love to have someone take an interest in some car he once enjoyed. In my opinion, part of the neat thing about owning an old special interest car is knowing a little bit about the people who cherished the car and was partially responsible for its survival. These cars hold pride of place in lots of people's fond memories. Zach Merrill Greenville, SC _http://teae.org/smooth-shifting-clutch-story/_ (http://teae.org/smooth-shifting-clutch-story/) In a message dated 8/31/2010 2:49:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rsdslp at juno.com writes: Sorry to ask for info that has been discussed so many times in the past but it is time to replace my tiger's clutch and I was hoping someone could give me part numbers to take down to my local parts store. From past list discussions it sounds like I should go for one of the Centerforce clutches. All suggestions appreciated. Thanks Bob ____________________________________________________________ Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c7d49f7d17bb3a41e8st06duc _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/zforce56 at aol.com From jliny5 at cox.net Tue Aug 31 16:55:54 2010 From: jliny5 at cox.net (jliny5) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:55:54 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Handling In-Reply-To: <4B63FE6D73444FAAA04D65867EA6AD70@JPC> References: <46e12.3cade8e4.39aa6fc0@aol.com><4B63FE6D73444FAAA04D65867EA6AD70@JPC> Message-ID: <635207016-1283295329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-25834365-@bda728.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Good Evening (at least on the east coast) Thought I would make another call regarding my post from yesterday regarding the affect a change in tire size might have on alignment. My new tires (205/60x13) get mounted Thursday. Wear looks pretty even on the old tires (175/70x13). For the time being I guess I will stick with the existing alignment specs. Thx, Jim Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "James Lindner" Sender: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:17:09 To: Tom Parker; ; Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling Hi all, While on the subject of handling, I am getting ready to put new tires on my Mk1. I was seeking any advice on specs for the front end alignment. Currently, I have 175/70x13 tires on Cosmic 5.5 wheels and the I am told by the previous owner the aligment is set as follows: Castor +3 - +4, Camber -0.75-1.0, Toe 1/16th in. I am considering 205/60x13 tires on the same wheels. The front suspension is stock. Do I need to change my alignment specs and if so what should they be? I saw Tom's reference to the CAT shop notes and the entry on alignment specs for different tires. I looked but could not find it in the edition I have. Thanks, Jim Lindner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Parker" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Handling > Mark, > > I'm assuming the car handled acceptably before the steering rack and tires > were changed. True? > > The steering rack change is to help correct the legendary Ackerman angle > problem Shelby's dyslectic engineers built into the Tiger. I don't think > it > should adversely affect steering, but I'll defer to the guys who have done > it and know. Same for the sway bars. > > My guess is the alignment isn't appropriate for the tires you have > installed. C.A.T. Shop Notes has (I think, I'm not near the book...) front > end alignment settings for radial tires. Add to that Camber shoud be - > according to a recent posr here - closer to vertical than the stock > settings. I think I'd start there. > > Tom > ' 67 Mark 2 > > On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 9:57 AM, wrote: > >> I've made some changes over the past few years and haven't been >> satisfied >> with the handling. The 2 things that seem different are: >> Pretty bad understeer on curves at 40 mph+ >> Car's tendency to want to follow ruts in the road. >> It seems that the 2 problems are contradictory. >> >> The things that I've changed from stock are: >> MG Midget steering rack >> Wheels that were high profile 185 x 13 are now 195 x 50 x16 (front) and >> 205 x 50 x16 (rear). >> Thicker sway bar on front (I think it's 7/8's") >> 1/2" thick shims above the front springs (to raise the front a little >> Softened the front shock adjustment because I thought it would be too >> hard >> with low profile tires. >> Done an allignment and that seems good. >> >> Any suggestions? >> Mark L >> _______________________________________________ >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tkparker1941 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5 at cox.net _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5 at cox.net From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Tue Aug 31 18:44:01 2010 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:44:01 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hipo Heads Message-ID: <002901cb496e$c5bd2a50$0201a8c0@chesapeake4> Hi Group, recessed valve springs and screw in studs and 64 cc chambers are easily fabricated in a good auto machine shop, done all the time for a "warmed up" engine job, it makes the heads work great, but original, atleast early Hipo heads have the casting, Clyde From atwittsend at verizon.net Tue Aug 31 22:24:56 2010 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 21:24:56 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Hipo Heads References: <002901cb496e$c5bd2a50$0201a8c0@chesapeake4> Message-ID: I did a search of Google images under hipo 289 and found this image. Would this "HP" be the HiPo indictor? http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://mackrafab.com/vmf/images/hp_head.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.xiongdudu.com/image/Ford_Engine_Specs/10&usg=__5V_4J1Y_buloq02ghaXcLCq0OVY=&h=384&w=512&sz=30&hl=en&start=28&zoom=1&tbnid=hhObZs0acy-iQM:&tbnh=125&tbnw=170&prev=/images%3Fq%3D289%2Bhipo%2Bheads%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DG%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1440%26bih%3D710%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:10%2C646&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=1140&vpy=333&dur=971&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=195&ty=114&ei=eNR9TMXxNJKqsAPfw43BCw&oei=jtN9TPWBJoW8sAP53Pz0Cg&esq=13&page=2&ndsp=28&ved=1t:429,r:20,s:28&biw=1440&bih=710 Tom ----- Original Message ----- > Hi Group, recessed valve springs and screw in studs and 64 cc chambers > are > easily fabricated in a good auto machine shop, done all the time for a > "warmed up" engine job, it makes the heads work great, but original, > atleast early Hipo heads have the casting, Clyde From twotigers at verizon.net Tue Aug 31 23:18:42 2010 From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 22:18:42 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Hipo Heads In-Reply-To: References: <002901cb496e$c5bd2a50$0201a8c0@chesapeake4> Message-ID: <000001cb4995$255c6cc0$70154640$@net> That's pretty solid evidence, Tom. Either that, or, Hewlett Packard got a big head start on high performance drives! Kirk -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:25 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hipo Heads I did a search of Google images under hipo 289 and found this image. Would this "HP" be the HiPo indictor? http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://mackrafab.com/vmf/images/hp_head. jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.xiongdudu.com/image/Ford_Engine_Specs/10&usg=__5V_4 J1Y_buloq02ghaXcLCq0OVY=&h=384&w=512&sz=30&hl=en&start=28&zoom=1&tbnid=hhObZ s0acy-iQM:&tbnh=125&tbnw=170&prev=/images%3Fq%3D289%2Bhipo%2Bheads%26hl%3Den %26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DG%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:offici al%26biw%3D1440%26bih%3D710%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:10%2C646&itbs=1&iact=hc&v px=1140&vpy=333&dur=971&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=195&ty=114&ei=eNR9TMXxNJKqsAPfw 43BCw&oei=jtN9TPWBJoW8sAP53Pz0Cg&esq=13&page=2&ndsp=28&ved=1t:429,r:20,s:28& biw=1440&bih=710 Tom ----- Original Message ----- > Hi Group, recessed valve springs and screw in studs and 64 cc chambers > are > easily fabricated in a good auto machine shop, done all the time for a > "warmed up" engine job, it makes the heads work great, but original, > atleast early Hipo heads have the casting, Clyde _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/twotigers at verizon.net