From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Thu Oct  1 08:24:16 2009
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 07:24:16 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Coronado Races
References: <20091001044141.D89EB156D5D@vzwemconn01.vzw-prod.oz.com>
Message-ID: <066A98D35F654984B526B596ECA61AF5@your4dacd0ea75>

Steve,

You asked if we ever got a concrete answer for how the accident happened.
Like any racing accident, there will be a half dozen concrete versions, all 
different. With any luck someone will post it on U-tube.

I saw the collision. The lap down gold shelby slammed on its brakes at a 
point on the track where you would not normally brake (in fact John was on 
the gas). The mustang did not stop on the track but I'd guess his speed was 
only about 10mph. However when he chose to brake, John was only 10 feet off 
his bumper. The corner workers said that John had no way to avoid hitting 
the mustang.

Regardless, it's time to get to work to fix the sheet metal. (Suddenly that 
dipped front clip in San Antonio is looking more attractive.) :-) Most of 
the sheet metal will pull out but we'll still need to weld in a little.

Probably the most rare pieces are the chrome MkII headlight doors which were 
pulverized.

Buck Trippel




----- Original Message ----- 
From: <sralsten at ca.rr.com>


> Did you get a concrete answer
> for how the accident happened ?Was it the gold shelby mustang ?
>
> ----------

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 12:04:55 2009
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:04:55 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Coronado Races
In-Reply-To: <066A98D35F654984B526B596ECA61AF5@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <20091001044141.D89EB156D5D@vzwemconn01.vzw-prod.oz.com>
	<066A98D35F654984B526B596ECA61AF5@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <39a841b0910011104q5933870cg627e91c7ad2687c3@mail.gmail.com>

unfortunately i also lost one of my mk11 chrome headlight rims today.
since i'm only looking for one i'm guessing we are in the market with
different sellers.  if anyone has a single chrome mk11 rim with no pitting
and they are willing to sell it - i need one urgently so please contact me.

thanks.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Buck Trippel <BuckTrippel at verizon.net>wrote:

> Steve,
>
> You asked if we ever got a concrete answer for how the accident happened.
> Like any racing accident, there will be a half dozen concrete versions, all
> different. With any luck someone will post it on U-tube.
>
> I saw the collision. The lap down gold shelby slammed on its brakes at a
> point on the track where you would not normally brake (in fact John was on
> the gas). The mustang did not stop on the track but I'd guess his speed was
> only about 10mph. However when he chose to brake, John was only 10 feet off
> his bumper. The corner workers said that John had no way to avoid hitting
> the mustang.
>
> Regardless, it's time to get to work to fix the sheet metal. (Suddenly that
> dipped front clip in San Antonio is looking more attractive.) :-) Most of
> the sheet metal will pull out but we'll still need to weld in a little.
>
> Probably the most rare pieces are the chrome MkII headlight doors which
> were pulverized.
>
> Buck Trippel
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <sralsten at ca.rr.com>
>
>
>  Did you get a concrete answer
>> for how the accident happened ?Was it the gold shelby mustang ?
>>
>> ----------
>>
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From Rollright at aol.com  Thu Oct  1 12:35:29 2009
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 14:35:29 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] jubilee clips
Message-ID: <bf3.62d829a5.37f65071@aol.com>

Hello,
 
A fellow poster, Denis from Canada, shared some great shots of his newly  
finished Tiger with me.
 
The trunk shots made me realize that in the 33 years I've had the car, I've 
 never had the Jubilee clips that hold the jack and supplied wrench to the 
floor  of the trunk.
 
I found all the holes and the screws (phillips) were mostly still there.  
But no clips at all.
 
Rick at SS doesn't carry them.
 
Anybody got any suggestions? I don't even know how tall they are. They look 
 black from old photos.
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct  1 13:25:06 2009
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:25:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger Facebook Group
Message-ID: <186082.5727.qm@web81508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Check out the Sunbeam Tiger Facebook group page.  So far, there are 97 members
with 68 captioned photos.  Some of the photos are historic and some are of
members rides.  Feel free to add content related photos or comments
 
 
 
                                               Jeff

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Oct  1 13:34:00 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:34:00 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] jubilee clips
In-Reply-To: <bf3.62d829a5.37f65071@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1A309E274CC247BB8ABA23B45D593C22@ronpc1>

Jim
	The clips are of 2 different sizes I believe; they are black and
dipped in a black rubber coating.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 2:35 PM
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Tigers] jubilee clips


Hello,

A fellow poster, Denis from Canada, shared some great shots of his newly
finished Tiger with me.

The trunk shots made me realize that in the 33 years I've had the car, I've
 never had the Jubilee clips that hold the jack and supplied wrench to the
floor  of the trunk.

I found all the holes and the screws (phillips) were mostly still there.
But no clips at all.

Rick at SS doesn't carry them.

Anybody got any suggestions? I don't even know how tall they are. They look
 black from old photos.

Thanks in advance,

Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE
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From rande at thecia.net  Thu Oct  1 13:34:55 2009
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:34:55 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] clips for jack, wrench
Message-ID: <4ac5045f.4793.0@thecia.net>

These things end up on eBay at least once a month.

They're soft-coated (plastic, I think) in black, at least mine are on B382000048,
sort of like the handles on some common pliers are. If you manage to find them
on eBay, you may have to re-coat them.

RB

From robin02 at mindspring.com  Thu Oct  1 13:37:05 2009
From: robin02 at mindspring.com (Robin Young)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:37:05 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] jubilee clips
In-Reply-To: <bf3.62d829a5.37f65071@aol.com>
References: <bf3.62d829a5.37f65071@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6489F4EA2EC044CB8A8AA3DEDC6CB5AB@RobinLaptop>

Hi Jim,  Mike Schriner on the list will help. Sorry but I could not find his
email. RObin

 
The trunk shots made me realize that in the 33 years I've had the car, I've
never had the Jubilee clips that hold the jack and supplied wrench to the
floor  of the trunk.
 
I found all the holes and the screws (phillips) were mostly still there.  
But no clips at all.
 
Rick at SS doesn't carry them.
 
Anybody got any suggestions? I don't even know how tall they are. They look
black from old photos.
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE
_

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  1 14:48:38 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:48:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] jubilee clips
In-Reply-To: <6489F4EA2EC044CB8A8AA3DEDC6CB5AB@RobinLaptop>
Message-ID: <389050.14381.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Mike had a few sets at SUNI in the parts room. Some sold, other where left
over but I dont know about complete sets. contact Mike at mikeflbmer at yahoo.com
mention you are a strong democrat and that I told you to say so for a
discount. Mike strongly supports my beliefs- tell him TonytheTiger mentioned
it or paste the email to your request. He will enjoy my help.
TtT

--- On Thu, 10/1/09, Robin Young <robin02 at mindspring.com> wrote:

> From: Robin Young <robin02 at mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] jubilee clips
> To: Rollright at aol.com, tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 2:37 PM
> Hi Jim,  Mike Schriner on the
> list will help. Sorry but I could not find his
> email. RObin
>
>
> The trunk shots made me realize that in the 33 years I've
> had the car, I've
> never had the Jubilee clips that hold the jack and supplied
> wrench to the
> floor  of the trunk.
>
> I found all the holes and the screws (phillips) were mostly
> still there. 
> But no clips at all.
>
> Rick at SS doesn't carry them.
>
> Anybody got any suggestions? I don't even know how tall
> they are. They look
> black from old photos.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A 382002083
> LRXFE
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  1 14:48:49 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:48:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] jubilee clips
In-Reply-To: <6489F4EA2EC044CB8A8AA3DEDC6CB5AB@RobinLaptop>
Message-ID: <612690.13744.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Thu, 10/1/09, Robin Young <robin02 at mindspring.com> wrote:

> From: Robin Young <robin02 at mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] jubilee clips
> To: Rollright at aol.com, tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 2:37 PM
> Hi Jim,  Mike Schriner on the
> list will help. Sorry but I could not find his
> email. RObin
>
>
> The trunk shots made me realize that in the 33 years I've
> had the car, I've
> never had the Jubilee clips that hold the jack and supplied
> wrench to the
> floor  of the trunk.
>
> I found all the holes and the screws (phillips) were mostly
> still there. 
> But no clips at all.
>
> Rick at SS doesn't carry them.
>
> Anybody got any suggestions? I don't even know how tall
> they are. They look
> black from old photos.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A 382002083
> LRXFE
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From mark.rense at ge.com  Thu Oct  1 14:57:08 2009
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd))
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:57:08 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Another Member Passes
Message-ID: <ACD92780D75F5649A9B8D2E9765D5BDD39C1B3@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>

I just found out that long-time Tiger enthusiast Tom Stoyle passed away
last week at 87 years young. His Tiger was black with gold stripes and
was a fixture around the NE Ohio region. He was always eager to help out
a fellow Tiger owner there was a question or problem.

Here's a link to his obit.

http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2009/09/28/obituaries/nh1495379.txt

Bugz

From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  1 16:05:46 2009
From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:05:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Clips
Message-ID: <270837.61938.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I am NOT a Democrat and Tony Knows it....I firmly believe in the best selling book  "Liberalism is a Mental Dissorder" I raz Tony all the time with political jokes from the RIGHT SIDE!  Mike Schreinwe

From denismercier at telvic.net  Thu Oct  1 16:49:18 2009
From: denismercier at telvic.net (denis mercier)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:49:18 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Jubilee clips
Message-ID: <FA95FAA161444F30B25E29D17B0C73C5@D7F0WHF1>

Jim.
Ron Fraser is OK, the clips are 2 different sizes, look carefuly the last
photo (004) i'l send you, enlarge it, the jack clips(3) are large and the
handle are small(3).
They are black and and dipped in rubber coating. You can find the rubber
coating at the local hardware (plier handle). The clips are available sometime
on ebay.
I'm not sure but i thing i have a set of these clips....
        Denis from Canada
        B382000926LRXFE
        B382100418LRXFE

From awtiger at cox.net  Thu Oct  1 17:01:32 2009
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:01:32 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Another Member Passes
In-Reply-To: <ACD92780D75F5649A9B8D2E9765D5BDD39C1B3@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <ACD92780D75F5649A9B8D2E9765D5BDD39C1B3@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <2CD264D7889940C39EF8A1C19853C2A0@awtigerPC>

It's always sad to hear of another one of "us" passing.  God speed, Mr. 
Stoyle.

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740)
B9006857LRX

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To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Cc: <sharkeybj at comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 3:57 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Another Member Passes


>I just found out that long-time Tiger enthusiast Tom Stoyle passed away
> last week at 87 years young. His Tiger was black with gold stripes and
> was a fixture around the NE Ohio region. He was always eager to help out
> a fellow Tiger owner there was a question or problem.
>
> Here's a link to his obit.
>
> http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2009/09/28/obituaries/nh1495379.txt
>
> Bugz
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From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Thu Oct  1 17:39:31 2009
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:39:31 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] FW: TAC Date Set!
Message-ID: <B6FABD5ECB34409AB8B4E764A25459AD@jerry>

  _____  

 

I'm posting this for Rob. 

 

Jerry Christopherson

 


 
Tiger Faithful,
 
TAC is on!  On Saturday, October 17, 2009 members of the STOA Tiger
Authentication Committee (TAC) will be in Keller, Texas to authenticate
Sunbeam Tigers.
 
The location of the event is 517 Elaine Street, Keller, TX, 76248.  We will
commence at 0900 on Saturday morning and continue until all cars have been
handled.  It is understood that some of you will be coming from out-of-town
locations, so we will handle this on a first come/first served basis.  If
you are trailering your car/chassis please call when you are close and we
will make suitable arrangements for either offload or TAC on the trailer.
The driveway into my shop is VERY undesirable for trailers, so my neighbor
at the base of the hill has volunteered the use of his.
 
Useful info:
 
817-431-9840  Home Phone
817-313-5427  Cell Phone
Racetig at hotmail.com
 
Hotels close to Keller:
The shop is located 7 miles Southeast of Texas Motor Speedway (NASCAR)
 
www. <http://www.hotels-rates.com/hotels/locations/Fort_Worth/>
hotels-rates.com/hotels/locations/Fort_Worth/
 
 
If you have any questions regarding this event, please call or send me an
email.  I will respond ASAP.
 
A response if you plan on attending is appreciated as I am setting up some
food/beverage for participants.  Your response would help greatly with the
planning.
 
Rob Roy

From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  1 18:04:10 2009
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 17:04:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] jubilee clips
In-Reply-To: <1A309E274CC247BB8ABA23B45D593C22@ronpc1>
References: <1A309E274CC247BB8ABA23B45D593C22@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <4944.29972.qm@web111618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

The clips are olso used in Alpines.  Find a junked Alpine.

Dave
________________________________
From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
To:
Rollright at aol.com; tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009
3:34:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] jubilee clips

Jim
    The clips are of 2
different sizes I believe; they are black and
dipped in a black rubber
coating.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From:
tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf
Of Rollright at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 2:35 PM
To:
tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Tigers] jubilee clips


Hello,

A fellow
poster, Denis from Canada, shared some great shots of his newly
finished Tiger
with me.

The trunk shots made me realize that in the 33 years I've had the
car, I've
never had the Jubilee clips that hold the jack and supplied wrench
to the
floor  of the trunk.

I found all the holes and the screws (phillips)
were mostly still there.
But no clips at all.

Rick at SS doesn't carry them.
Anybody got any suggestions? I don't even know how tall they are. They look
black from old photos.

Thanks in advance,

Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE
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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Thu Oct  1 19:20:58 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:20:58 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Trunk Pics -  Jubilee clips
In-Reply-To: <659552A9ADA84FEA95838B4B2012D69E@D7F0WHF1>
References: <FA95FAA161444F30B25E29D17B0C73C5@D7F0WHF1>
	<4AC5356B.90908@SoCal.rr.com>
	<659552A9ADA84FEA95838B4B2012D69E@D7F0WHF1>
Message-ID: <4AC5557A.60703@SoCal.rr.com>

Denis, (and Tigers)

I posted the FaceBook link to my site page of your pictures I added.  I 
posted them to The List. but I guess the concept didn't hit home.
 
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?page=3&aid=23591&id=1360287247


Confused. Doesn't this work?

BTW: Retract my "Commodore Blue - 106" ID, to it might be "Midnight Blue"

Here is a list from TE/AE of 114 Rootes Paint Codes (not all 
Tiger/Alpine) but lots of Blues.

http://teae.org/2009/paint-color-codes/

Steve

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From awtiger at cox.net  Thu Oct  1 20:37:35 2009
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 21:37:35 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Battery chargers
In-Reply-To: <f31cd5be186c3.4a9edcce@shaw.ca>
References: <57FCCC8FE4A3434BBF0435BE7010489E@awtigerPC>
	<f31cd5be186c3.4a9edcce@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <5DF44AA80FF14C7C9974EC8D9C67DBA8@awtigerPC>

Hey, guys:

A few weeks ago, I posted that I was having a problem with one of my "Battery
Tenders" on my Alpine.  I got some great, very helpful responses that I'm sure
would have solved my problem...if it weren't for the stupid, goofy thing that
ended up being the actual culprit.

To make a long story short, the next night I ended up with one phase of my
two-phase electrical service not working in my shop.  Weird stuff was going
on, such as one bank of overhead lights wouldn't work unless I turned on the
a/c unit, etc, etc.  I was just sure that the Spirit of Lucas had jumped out
of the Alpine and the Tiger and into the shop wiring!!!  So, I got out my
trusty multimeter and checked the voltage of the incoming service.  One of the
lines was pumping out 124 volts, which is great, but the other line was only
running about 60 volts.  I had a drainage pipe installed several months ago
and it ran right across where the underground service was buried to the shop.
As it turns out, they evidently nicked one of the service wires while
installing that pipe and it began corroding, eventually culminating the death
of one phase of service.  It just so happens that the battery charger in
question was plugged into a circuit that was running off of that phase.  I've
since run new power lines to the shop (in PVC this time...) and, lo and
behold, the battery charger (and everything else) works like a charm!

I just thought I'd pass along that little story just to give everyone a
chuckle tonight.  Thanks again for all the help on my "problem!!"

Take care,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740)
B9006857LRX

From: THEO SMIT
  To: awtiger
  Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] Battery chargers


  If you have a voltmeter, then check the battery voltage, both with and
without the charger going. Even with the charger going it shouldn't be over
about 14 volts, since it's supposed to be a trickle charger and it should
definitely be over 13 volts. If it's much less then you have a dead or shorted
cell in the battery and the charger is killing itself trying to move an
immovable object. If the voltage is much higher then something is wrong with
the charger.

  With the charger disconnected the battery voltage should be between 12 and
about 12.8 volts. If it's 10 volts or thereabouts then you have a dead cell.

  Hope this helps,
  Theo


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: awtiger <awtiger at cox.net>
  Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009 8:03 pm
  Subject: [Tigers] Battery chargers
  To: tigers at autox.team.net, alpines <alpines at autox.team.net>

  > Hey, fellas:
  >
  > Got a question for those of you who use battery chargers.
  > I've got a couple
  > of "Battery Tender Plus" units for my Tiger and my Alpine.
  > I hooked them up
  > last night after having them off the cars for the last month and
  > the one on
  > the Tiger did exactly what it was supposed to do.  The one
  > on the Alpine,
  > however, still shows a steady red light (which, according to the
  > instructions,means the battery is not charged yet) and the unit
  > is very hot to the touch.
  >
  > I know for a fact that the battery was not that low on the
  > Alpine.  I keep the
  > quick-connect charging pigtails on both cars at all times and
  > nothing has
  > changed on either car since the last time they were on the
  > chargers.  The
  > thing that worries me about it is the fact that the Alpine's
  > charger is very
  > hot.  Is this normal?  I sure don't want to burn down
  > my shop and the two
  > cars!!!!!
  >
  > Thanks,
  > Andy Walker
  > Edmond, OK
  > B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740)
  > B9006857LRX
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From rande at thecia.net  Fri Oct  2 07:32:45 2009
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 09:32:45 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tom Stoyle
Message-ID: <4ac600fd.2804.0@thecia.net>

I remember Tom and his distinctive black Tiger from the 1992 Dayton United.
Stunning car, and a great guy to talk to. Certainly will be missed. My regards
to his family.

RB / Boston

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Fri Oct  2 08:09:58 2009
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 08:09:58 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Battery chargers
In-Reply-To: <5DF44AA80FF14C7C9974EC8D9C67DBA8@awtigerPC>
References: <57FCCC8FE4A3434BBF0435BE7010489E@awtigerPC><f31cd5be186c3.4a9edcce@shaw.ca>
	<5DF44AA80FF14C7C9974EC8D9C67DBA8@awtigerPC>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905596@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

Backhoe operators seem to have an uncanny ability to locate underground
services - they're much more accurate than the FirstCall guys with the
fancy equipment.

When our house was being built they'd just filled in the electrical
trench that ran from the lot line to the foundation. Backhoe guy has to
come in to dig for a weeping tile installation or something... And
presto! First bucket, he takes out the power, cable, AND phone services.

Cheers,
Theo

From CoolVT at aol.com  Fri Oct  2 08:28:19 2009
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:28:19 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Battery chargers
Message-ID: <bcb.5b35f07a.37f76803@aol.com>

Your state has First Call and we have "Dig  Safe"...same thing.  Years ago 
some company cut through the main  telephone trunk line that went from the 
US into Montreal.  The company  hadn't called Dig Safe.  Not sure how much 
the fine might have been, but at  the time they said the loss was $100,000 per 
hour.

We once cut through a tel. line of "50 pairs". The  temp was about 10 
degrees above zero with the wind blowing. The repair guy set  up a tent to 
protect him and it still took him most of the day to do the repair.  Luckily we 
had called Dig Safe and their markings were off by about 3  feet.

From lon at sedona.net  Fri Oct  2 12:43:41 2009
From: lon at sedona.net (Lon)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:43:41 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Digging (non-Tiger)
Message-ID: <3834EFCC941743BFA859259E3445840E@LONW>

To finish up on the trenching thought, about four years ago, day before
Thanksgiving, a trencher was digging to replace a sewer line and went through
the Natural Gas line in front of our home instead, woman operator saw was
happening next and bailed as the line exploded creating a nicely formed pit
and destroying a brand new million dollar trencher.  We were without gas for a
party of 10 for Thanksgiving.  Have to get real creative without an oven.

Pulled out my book on "Manifold Cooking" and thought about cranking up the car
with the turkey wrapped tightly in the engine compartment.  It's been done . .
.

Lon

From shutchin at netjets.com  Fri Oct  2 12:46:36 2009
From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:46:36 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Digging (non-Tiger)
Message-ID: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D4056C0EE9@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>

I think the topper of all the 'dig where I shouldn't' stories is the one about the oil drilling, the fresh water lake and the oops hit the salt mine. 

Just google any two of those. Amazing nobody died. 


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NetJets Large Aircraft

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From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Fri Oct  2 13:19:18 2009
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:19:18 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Dig Safe
Message-ID: <4AC65236.3010003@roadrunner.com>

IIRC "Dig Safe" operates under license from Lucas.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Fri Oct  2 13:34:09 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 12:34:09 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of Public Works -
In-Reply-To: <3834EFCC941743BFA859259E3445840E@LONW>
References: <3834EFCC941743BFA859259E3445840E@LONW>
Message-ID: <4AC655B1.7010708@SoCal.rr.com>

Lot's of stuff about digging up utilities, currently.

Here is one that is Tiger related, if you happen to drive on the streets 
run by the Los Angeles Dept. of Water & Power in your Tiger (me and most 
of the fine, rust-free Tigers here).

O.K., there has been even less rainfall this year than when the State 
was stolen from Mexico (or Spain?) in the 1850's. What to do?  Well, of 
course, the first thing that's done is to ration water, and make it 
illegal to water lawns except on two days.

Where is Zorro, now that we really need him? Dancing with the Stars?

Does this work with 100 deg (F) daily temps for at least 1/2 the year?  
Sure, WATER is conserved, lawns turn brown, artificial turf is 
prohibited by certain communities.  Is that as bad as it gets?

NO!  We are visited almost twice a week with multiple main water line 
breakage.  Many main streets, with newer and 100 year old mains.

What? You're blaming water conservation for main arteries closures, 
massive water spewed very high in the air, no shut-off valve anywhere 
near (at east the DWP couldn't find them very soon).  Streets, with the 
cars, flooded many feet deep and many blocks wide, at each break.

The large mains could not stand the repeated stress of major flow - 
pressure changes, and eventually they fracture.

On balance, we know the major mains repair costs, and water losses.  
BUT, did water get saved?

Just my gut feel, not having access to the physical facts, but don't 
hold your breathe waiting for public works departments to "fess-up" the 
REAL causes and costs of "conservation".

___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com

From marcsmall at comcast.net  Fri Oct  2 14:11:11 2009
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 16:11:11 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] OT:  The California Republic
In-Reply-To: <4AC655B1.7010708@SoCal.rr.com>
References: <3834EFCC941743BFA859259E3445840E@LONW>
	<4AC655B1.7010708@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20091002201122.4EFEC18764F@autox.team.net>

At 03:34 PM 10/2/2009, Steve Laifman wrote:
 >
 >O.K., there has been even less rainfall this year than when the State
 >was stolen from Mexico (or Spain?) in the 1850's.

The California Republic was declared in Sonoma by
1846 and the declaration freed the entire state
from Mexican rule.  25 days later, the US
military occupied California.  I'm surprised an
fervid a California enthusiast as Mr Laifman
would not be aware of these simple facts!  <he grins>

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!

From Rollright at aol.com  Fri Oct  2 14:33:33 2009
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 16:33:33 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Reims Classic weekend
Message-ID: <c6f.3d6c8f1f.37f7bd9d@aol.com>

Hello,
 
This clip show the first Reims Classic car and bike weekend last weekend.  
Nice Harrington Alpine shots and lots of really interesting cars and  bikes.
 
 
_www.dailymotion.com/video/xanoo1_week-end-de-lexcellence-a-reims_auto_ 
(http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xanoo1_week-end-de-lexcellence-a-reims_auto) 
 
 

 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE

From camelot15 at verizon.net  Fri Oct  2 15:09:51 2009
From: camelot15 at verizon.net (Bruce MacDougall)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:09:51 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Hood louvers
Message-ID: <C6EBE45F.6995%camelot15@verizon.net>

I'm new to the list, first time posting but a few months into reading, and
following, the discussions. This is a great resource. Thank you all.

Do hood louvers help with venting all that hot air? I have an extra hood and
am ready to send it off for treatment if those with experience think it's
worthwhile.

Here's the second part. Can someone direct me to a photo, or give me
measurements, to show exactly where the two rows of louvers should be
located? Thank you. Bruce 

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Fri Oct  2 15:34:21 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 14:34:21 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] OT:  The California Republic
In-Reply-To: <20091002201122.4EFEC18764F@autox.team.net>
References: <3834EFCC941743BFA859259E3445840E@LONW>
	<4AC655B1.7010708@SoCal.rr.com>
	<20091002201122.4EFEC18764F@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4AC671DD.3000406@SoCal.rr.com>

Marc,

I was answering your message privately, when a "LIST" post came 
through.  So, now I'll have to answer to everyone.

California Republic became a part of the United States as a "Territory"  
in 1847, and was not a "State" until "The Compromise of 1850" welcomed 
California as a "non-slave" state.

/"_Declaring_ a Republic"/ (1848) is not the same as "establishing a 
State (of the United States).

a "/Military Occupation/" does not establish ownership, territories, nor 
states.  Note German and Russian "occupations".

Isn't it amazing what a little gold in Sacramento can do!

Reference: http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/us/A0857128.html

Amongst many others.

Here is the "California Republic" flag (1846). Then a Mexican province.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Republic#Bear_Flag

and here is the "State of California" flag.

http://www.50states.com/flag/caflag.htm

O:-)

Steve

___
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Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



Marc James Small wrote:
> At 03:34 PM 10/2/2009, Steve Laifman wrote:
> >
> >O.K., there has been even less rainfall this year than when the State
> >was stolen from Mexico (or Spain?) in the 1850's.
>
> The California Republic was *_declared_* in Sonoma by
> 1846 and the declaration freed the entire state
> from Mexican rule.  25 days later, the US
> military _*occupied*_ California.  I'm surprised an
> fervid a California enthusiast as Mr Laifman
> would not be aware of these simple facts!  <he grins>
>
> Marc
>
>
> msmall at aya.yale.edu

From marcsmall at comcast.net  Fri Oct  2 15:39:06 2009
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:39:06 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] OT:  The California Republic
In-Reply-To: <4AC671DD.3000406@SoCal.rr.com>
References: <3834EFCC941743BFA859259E3445840E@LONW>
	<4AC655B1.7010708@SoCal.rr.com>
	<20091002201122.4EFEC18764F@autox.team.net>
	<4AC671DD.3000406@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20091002213919.8E69C187887@autox.team.net>

At 05:34 PM 10/2/2009, Steve Laifman wrote:
 >Marc,
 >
 >I was answering your message privately, when a "LIST" post came
 >through.  So, now I'll have to answer to everyone.
 >
 >California Republic became a part of the United States as a "Territory"
 >in 1847, and was not a "State" until "The Compromise of 1850" welcomed
 >California as a "non-slave" state.
 >
 >/"_Declaring_ a Republic"/ (1848) is not the same as "establishing a
 >State (of the United States).
 >
 >a "/Military Occupation/" does not establish ownership, territories, nor
 >states.  Note German and Russian "occupations".

No one said it did.  But California declared its
independence from Mexico in 1846 -- not from
Spain in the 1850's -- and, after 25 days, was
occupied by the US, who then established a
military government which ran the area until it
was declared a Territory after the Treaty of
Guadalope Hidalgo ended the Mexican War.

Not a big point, at all.  But I did have that
history drummed into me when I attended High
School in Marin County back in the Longago.

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 17:52:15 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 09:52:15 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Hood louvers
In-Reply-To: <C6EBE45F.6995%camelot15@verizon.net>
References: <C6EBE45F.6995%camelot15@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0910021652w3ecc9fa9uf2744548cb45cba2@mail.gmail.com>

The actual effectiveness of hood louvers on the Tiger is debatable, the
factory tried them on the prototypes, but decided the risk of oil vapor
coating the screen was outweighed by the cooling benifits.. not sure i
eblieve that.. but thats the story.

They should drop the temperature by 5deg i believe from things i have read,
and the most effective place should be over where the headers are on each
side. They are probably more an aesthetic choice than a functional one in
many ways.. better colling solutions are blocking horn holes, tunneling the
valennce and better radiator and fan options.

2009/10/3 Bruce MacDougall <camelot15 at verizon.net>

> I'm new to the list, first time posting but a few months into reading, and
> following, the discussions. This is a great resource. Thank you all.
>
> Do hood louvers help with venting all that hot air? I have an extra hood
> and
> am ready to send it off for treatment if those with experience think it's
> worthwhile.
>
> Here's the second part. Can someone direct me to a photo, or give me
> measurements, to show exactly where the two rows of louvers should be
> located? Thank you. Bruce
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From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  2 18:39:22 2009
From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:39:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Hood Louvers
Message-ID: <720567.17741.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I useed to have  green Tiger with alot of louvers centered over the engine.  I would have an oil vapor feeling after driving it at slow speeds (a ned to wash my face) On a cool evening I tested it by driving sloly and could feel hot air on the side of the windshield  (cold above the windsheild, cold below it, and warm engine fumed AIR inbetween,,,,it was coming around the windshield and into my face....Worse at slow speeds......But I liked the louvers...I fixed the problem by addinf clear plexi window wings which routed the hot air behind me as I drove.  Now I am building a red tiger, it has less louvers and I have window wings (from moss motors) on the shelf if I need them....also I think it helps remove heat from the engine area...Mike Schreiner
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From srwick at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  2 18:59:48 2009
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:59:48 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Hood louvers
In-Reply-To: <C6EBE45F.6995%camelot15@verizon.net>
References: <C6EBE45F.6995%camelot15@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <COL122-DS14C26FD2EC71F4A5D1223BD8D10@phx.gbl>

I can't say if the louvers "help" or not, but when I bought my car, it had 3
rows of louvers in the middle of the hood, and it still gets vapor lock after
about 1/2 hour on a hot day. I do know they are a pain to work around when
you're waxing the car. My project this winter is a new radiator, replace the
missing shroud, reroute the fuel line (maybe go to a larger diameter) and
sealing all the holes in the core support, as others have said, to try and
keep the engine cooler. It hits about 220 and dies.

Steve
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  Do hood louvers help with venting all that hot air? I have an extra hood
and
  am ready to send it off for treatment if those with experience think it's
  worthwhile.

  Here's the second part. Can someone direct me to a photo, or give me
  measurements, to show exactly where the two rows of louvers should be
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From sixtysixtiger at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  2 20:41:35 2009
From: sixtysixtiger at hotmail.com (Arden Bedell)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:41:35 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra
Message-ID: <SNT127-DS1985ECD6954FDCA1232C79AFD10@phx.gbl>

http://www.kirkhammotorsports.com/book_aoe/

From gswaybright at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  2 21:24:58 2009
From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:24:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra
In-Reply-To: <SNT127-DS1985ECD6954FDCA1232C79AFD10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <756020.1496.qm@web31408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Wow... you can buy almost 3 copies of the Book of Norman for the price of one of the billet bound books about that car.

Speaking of books... Bill Martin - don't you and Dave owe me a copy of something on the HSC Racing Tiger???

--- On Fri, 10/2/09, Arden Bedell <sixtysixtiger at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Arden Bedell <sixtysixtiger at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra

> http://www.kirkhammotorsports.com/book_aoe/

Stephen Waybright

From twojohnsons at cox.net  Sat Oct  3 07:50:44 2009
From: twojohnsons at cox.net (Alvin Johnson)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 09:50:44 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Spacing Hood louvers
References: <C6EBE45F.6995%camelot15@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <003201ca4430$811f46b0$6401a8c0@13930193605348f>

> Can someone direct me to a photo, or give me
> measurements, to show exactly where the two >rows of louvers should be
> located?

I copied the Crittenden Tiger's louver pattern as shown in the book 
"Performance Tuning the Sunbeam Tiger" for a period-correct appearance.
    Don't know how they helped cooling, but you could see the hot air 
wafting out when idling on a hot day. And they look super-cool!
    I've still got an extra hood here in RI if someone wants "one with "& 
"one without."

From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Sat Oct  3 08:52:10 2009
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:52:10 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra
In-Reply-To: <SNT127-DS1985ECD6954FDCA1232C79AFD10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20091003145210.AEEC8.228910.root@cdptpa-web09-z01>

I saw one last week at the Coronado speed week car show.
Impressive expensive replica.
 
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Oct  3 09:26:42 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 08:26:42 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra
In-Reply-To: <SNT127-DS1985ECD6954FDCA1232C79AFD10@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT127-DS1985ECD6954FDCA1232C79AFD10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4AC76D32.2020106@mayfco.com>

Very interesting car, for sure.  And expensive, lol. But it begs a 
couple of questions for the list.  Is it a clone? Is it a replica? What 
defines those terms?  Does a clone mimic a car already in existence down 
to the last rivet? Does a replica mean something identical to a vehicle 
that rolled off  the assembly line? Or is it just the outer skin, for 
looks?   To me, a clone would be to pay homage to a praticlular car, not 
marque, but a particular vehicle, while a replica would be exactly like 
an assembly  line of cars rolled off thefactory floor.

Any discussion for a Saturday morning, just for fun? 

mayf
Arden Bedell wrote:

>http://www.kirkhammotorsports.com/book_aoe/
>_______________________________________________

From gswaybright at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  3 11:42:55 2009
From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:42:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra
In-Reply-To: <4AC76D32.2020106@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <518060.38944.qm@web31401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My rambling thoughts...

How about a "knock-off". 

It's not a real AC Shelby
Cobra, since those were only legal production cars manufactured in the 60's.
(Pet peeve... labeling/registering kits/replicas as 60's Cobras instead of
what they really are, call a spade a spade).

It's not a clone as that would
be more of an exact "DNA match", which this car is not.

Replica, might be a
nicer sounding phrase than my suggested "knock-off". 

I like the "tribute"
name for mass production cars that are morphed into more special versions of
their kind.. ie Hemi Cuda tribute cars as example.

An Alger could almost be a
Tiger "tribute" if it is done with enough correct details. Maybe this could
"Cobra" be considered a AC Shelby Cobra tribute car???

Stephen Waybright

---
On Sat, 10/3/09, drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:

> From: drmayf
<drmayf at mayfco.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra
> To: "Arden
Bedell" <sixtysixtiger at hotmail.com>
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date:
Saturday, October 3, 2009, 11:26 AM
> Very interesting car, for sure. 
> And
expensive, lol. But it begs a couple of questions for
> the list.  Is it a
clone? Is it a replica? What defines
> those terms?  Does a clone mimic a car
already in
> existence down to the last rivet? Does a replica mean
> something
identical to a vehicle that rolled off  the
> assembly line? Or is it just the
outer skin, for
> looks?   To me, a clone would be to pay
> homage to a
praticlular car, not marque, but a particular
> vehicle, while a replica would
be exactly like an
> assembly  line of cars rolled off thefactory floor.
> 
>
Any discussion for a Saturday morning, just for fun? 
> mayf
> Arden Bedell
wrote:
> 
> > http://www.kirkhammotorsports.com/book_aoe/

From cmccann at lwpb.com  Sat Oct  3 13:24:14 2009
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 14:24:14 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra
Message-ID: <F446F5FF-34C4-417B-B7BC-6FCAF6384EE7@lwpb.com>

Hehe... You guys crack me up. This might be classified non tiger, but
oh well.

Coming from an owner if such a car in question...( not a kirkham but a
shell valley "cobra" knock off) ... I agree with Stephen completely.
Call a spade a spade. The mere presence of said replicas or clones is
not the problem, not with cobras or tigers.  I mean i firmly believe
the poor guys deserve to play too. I also believe that imitation is
the highest form of flattery. It's mispresentation that is the
problem. Don't call it a tiger if it's not. Call it a v8 alpine
custom, or a tiger replica or tribute. Dont call it a Shelby cobra,
call it a replica or tribute. I'll bet most of us would agree that
trying to pass off something fake as real is a sign of insecurity. I
admit I occasionally refer to the fiberglass car as a "cobra", but
I've never called it a "Shelby" or told anyone it was anything but a
replica. Aka kit car. Plus you wouldn't mistake my car as real... It
handles like it's on rails, rides comfortably, the floor boards don't
burn your feet up.  (or will when I've got it back on the road)

Like drmayf said, just for fun...and as far as unreal cobras go...that
kirkham is top notch. Taking the impression of a cobra to the next
level.

Cullen

Sent from my mobile...

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Sat Oct  3 14:11:21 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 13:11:21 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Spacing Hood louvers
In-Reply-To: <003201ca4430$811f46b0$6401a8c0@13930193605348f>
References: <C6EBE45F.6995%camelot15@verizon.net>
	<003201ca4430$811f46b0$6401a8c0@13930193605348f>
Message-ID: <4AC7AFE9.2020306@SoCal.rr.com>

Alvin,

There is no "standard" location, size, placement of these louvers, as 
they are custom and not standard.

If you have a "hood strap", avoid this area. 

Louvers are not necessary with a properly designed cooling system, and 
their only benefit (besides a "racy look") is to allow engine fumes to 
coat the windshield with oil mist. It protects the glass from rusting!

If it is "function" you want, over looks, then here is the solution:

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp

The radiator specification details are given, as well as simple mods to 
air flow.  If Modine no longer makes this 4 row, high density tube/fin 
custom core, dimensions and specifications are given.  Other core 
suppliers are likely to have similar custom cores.  Try your local 
full-service radiator shop.

"Modine Special Order Manufacturing Division (ONLY) "Special High 
Efficiency Core" Cross flow. 18 1/2 W x 15 1/2 H (stock). Four parallel 
rows of 5/16 tubes on 3/8 centers, 36 tubes/row, each 3/8 inch deep by 
0.080 wide externally. 14 fins/per inch fin density."

It fits the stock end tanks, and works well at 105: F. (and up hill at 
the same time).  There are other details in this article that complete 
the cooling system design, and build information is included.

Good Luck,

Steve

___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



Alvin Johnson wrote:
>> Can someone direct me to a photo, or give me
>> measurements, to show exactly where the two >rows of louvers should be
>> located?
>
> I copied the Crittenden Tiger's louver pattern as shown in the book 
> "Performance Tuning the Sunbeam Tiger" for a period-correct appearance.
>    Don't know how they helped cooling, but you could see the hot air 
> wafting out when idling on a hot day. And they look super-cool!
>    I've still got an extra hood here in RI if someone wants "one with 
> "& "one without."
> _______________________________________________

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  3 15:23:51 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 14:23:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Spacing Hood louvers
In-Reply-To: <4AC7AFE9.2020306@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <978094.9224.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have a hood in my "beam" storage building- I cant see it and it would be dangerous to attempt tunneling to its location BUT if I didnt already own one and wanted to work on cooling my Tiger(I think my Tiger runs cooler than anyones and I am yet to figure out why) I would follow Steve's post and read all the work previously performed by many hours of work by Tiger experts- not in just cooling. I would take that money and put it towards one of the high end fiber, fiber carbon etc LAT hoods that you have to add your name to the waiting list to get.Then follow up by buying the kit of instructions on making your own from (OK-his name escapes my memory BUT he is a popular member) that makes it work as a true ram air scoop. AND first of all I would check to make sure my engine is really overheating as gages can be unreliable due to the little voltage box that keeps the fuel,and temp gage be misleading. A new transistor replacement is available from Theo and
 ModTiger engineering. If you like the louvers look, which I do as well, then add them and you are correct in asking where to place them. Perhaps a good hot drive and a thermal temp probe would help by stopping and locating the hottest area of the hood- retest several times until you are certain of the hottest area and then decide if the louvers would look good in that area. Just some cray thoughts but as a newer owner you dont want to rush into spending money(unless you are loaded)that you would be better off investing in another area or even the same are via a different approach. There are a few things that havent been tried on a Tiger but most are not repeated because of embarrassment that admitting would cause- otherwise, someone has tried most improvements and made them available BUT keep reading as Dale A., Doug, J. Theo, ModTiger and others are always thinking and creating.
TtT

From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Sat Oct  3 16:09:24 2009
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:09:24 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra
In-Reply-To: <F446F5FF-34C4-417B-B7BC-6FCAF6384EE7@lwpb.com>
Message-ID: <20091003220924.S0GS8.386777.root@cdptpa-web17-z02>

I think it must be a real Cobra, based on my recent experience anyway.
2 weeks ago I took my Tiger to a local club show. There were only
2 foreign cars there. Me and an Anglia hot rod. The "judges" gave the best
foreign trophy to a Ford woodie because they knew the owner was in
poor health ????

Better than that they have a category Best 60/70's car. The ahem "judges"
awarded that to a replica Cobra. Not even a real car and not even built
in the 60's or 70's.

Go figure

Steve

From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  3 16:09:21 2009
From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:09:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Hood Louvers
Message-ID: <521198.86139.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

See pics

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From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  3 16:38:31 2009
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:38:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra
In-Reply-To: <4AC76D32.2020106@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <889934.43466.qm@web111612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

At the Chicago British Car Festival a few years back we had a real.
1934 Aston Martin LeMas Replica.  After winning the 24 Hrs of LeMans
Aston Martin made 3 exact replicas of the winning car.  This was
one of the three. Now that's what I cansider a replica.
 
In my mind this 'Cobra' is just another of many kit cars.

--- On Sat, 10/3/09, drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com> wrote:


From: drmayf <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra
To: "Arden Bedell" <sixtysixtiger at hotmail.com>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 3:26 PM


Very interesting car, for sure.  And expensive, lol. But it begs a couple of
questions for the list.  Is it a clone? Is it a replica? What defines those
terms?  Does a clone mimic a car already in existence down to the last rivet?
Does a replica mean something identical to a vehicle that rolled off  the
assembly line? Or is it just the outer skin, for looks?   To me, a clone would
be to pay homage to a praticlular car, not marque, but a particular vehicle,
while a replica would be exactly like an assembly  line of cars rolled off
thefactory floor.

Any discussion for a Saturday morning, just for fun?
mayf
Arden Bedell wrote:

> http://www.kirkhammotorsports.com/book_aoe/
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From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Sat Oct  3 16:59:47 2009
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:59:47 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra
References: <SNT127-DS1985ECD6954FDCA1232C79AFD10@phx.gbl>
	<4AC76D32.2020106@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <A52B8AB10B584F119F6794883A897E5E@your4dacd0ea75>

The Kirkham cars started out as exact replicas of the Shelby American 427 
Cobra. I spent nearly a week at Kirkam's plant in Poland and looked at the 
entire operation so I have some idea about what I'm talking about.

They were very correct. Perhaps their quailty was too good. It was certainly 
better than many original Cobras. (Some never crashed Shelby Cobras had the 
fender that was welded on "after lunch" over an inch in front of the one 
attached "before lunch". True (except for the lunch part). ;-)

My "quality" comments were not meant to include the quality of the painting 
at the Poland facility which at that time was non-existent.

However as time passed, Dave has diverged from this originality. I'd guess 
it was market driven. His 289's never had tranverse leafs. In fact when 
George Boskoff toured Kirkham's facility near Provo during SUNY 4, one of 
his first first questions was "Don't you have any leaf spring suspensions?". 
(The answer was, "No.")

I'm sure Dave can still provide exact replica 427s to those who want them, 
just as he provides modified versions for those who want to make sure that 
some silly Tiger doesn't blow them away. ;-)

Buck Trippel


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: "Arden Bedell" <sixtysixtiger at hotmail.com>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra


> Very interesting car, for sure.  And expensive, lol. But it begs a couple 
> of questions for the list.  Is it a clone? Is it a replica? What defines 
> those terms?  Does a clone mimic a car already in existence down to the 
> last rivet? Does a replica mean something identical to a vehicle that 
> rolled off  the assembly line? Or is it just the outer skin, for looks? 
> To me, a clone would be to pay homage to a praticlular car, not marque, 
> but a particular vehicle, while a replica would be exactly like an 
> assembly  line of cars rolled off thefactory floor.
>
> Any discussion for a Saturday morning, just for fun?
> mayf
> Arden Bedell wrote:
>
>>http://www.kirkhammotorsports.com/book_aoe/
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From dsmtjoy at cox.net  Sat Oct  3 17:05:37 2009
From: dsmtjoy at cox.net (Mountjoy)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 16:05:37 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra
References: <mailman.26.1254592803.19173.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <2E9892604EDD4191A594C34B50481050@computer>

Group,

Just to muddy the waters...

As I understand it, back when, somewhere before Y2K, Shel' figured everyone 
was making lots of money replicating the car he produced back in the '60s 
(CSX 3000 series) so maybe he should get in on a slice of the pie.  (I'm 
ignoring the Aroura slab-fender body kit car from the '80s.)  His LV 
facility wasn't set up for making the bodies at the time and the Kirkhams 
already had everything in place so one year at the Monterey Historic, I 
think it was the year Shelby was the honored marque ('99??), he inked a deal 
with Kirkham Motorsports to supply bodies.  I'm thinking the term 
"supplier", here.  That was fine for a while until Shel' stopped paying his 
bills.  By that time it seems Shelby was setup to produce his own bodies.  I 
toured the LV facility in 2000 at "SAAC does Vegas" and they were set up by 
then.

So, what does this present us?

There are Kirkham Cobras produced by Kirkham Motorsports with Kirkham VINs. 
These were initially replicated from a Shelby CSX 3000 series Cobra they 
owned and evolved through re-engineering to what they have today.

Then there are Shelby Cobras with Kirkham bodies and Shelby "CSX" 4000 VINs. 
(Not sure if there were the 6000 & 7000 series with Kirkham bodies.)

Finally, there are Shelby Cobras with Shelby bodies and "CSX" 4000, 6000 & 
7000 VINs.

Seems clear as mud to me.

Darrell

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 17:28:17 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:28:17 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra
In-Reply-To: <889934.43466.qm@web111612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <4AC76D32.2020106@mayfco.com>
	<889934.43466.qm@web111612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0910031628n2cc1d136m65bf34eaa47f70ba@mail.gmail.com>

2009/10/4 David T Johnson <djoh797014 at yahoo.com>

> At the Chicago British Car Festival a few years back we had a real.
> 1934 Aston Martin LeMas Replica.  After winning the 24 Hrs of LeMans
> Aston Martin made 3 exact replicas of the winning car.  This was
> one of the three. Now that's what I cansider a replica.
>
> In my mind this 'Cobra' is just another of many kit cars.
>

Fraser Nash built "replicas" of their won cars, they were spec cars of the
ones that did well on the targa florio  and at LM. They were a production
model and known as a replica.

I know someone here in AU with a 427 Kirkham, the car is period perfect,
correct side oiler, box hubs, halibrands goodyears etc.. all the mechanical
and electrical componeets are correct parts, the body is a thing of beaurty
as in the chassis, it has been made to correct spec and in my opinion more
of a correct car than the "continuation cobras" shelby has authorised with
fibrerglass bodies (from what i hear they are stiffer and better handling
than the ally cars).. you can order a "correct" Kirkham.. or a updated one..
either way, one of the better corba options out there.. and if you choose,
it can give the SAME driving experience as a real one.

Its like the bugatti, alfa and lancia D50 replicas some people builf.. you
can have a "tool room copy" or one that is a homage to the original with
upgrades.

just my .02c


> --
> Regards
>
> Michael King

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Sat Oct  3 18:33:03 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:33:03 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] [TIGERS] One of a kind Cobra
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a0910031628n2cc1d136m65bf34eaa47f70ba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AC76D32.2020106@mayfco.com>
	<889934.43466.qm@web111612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<d86d088a0910031628n2cc1d136m65bf34eaa47f70ba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC7ED3F.4040604@SoCal.rr.com>

Speaking of "replicas", it is told that prior to WWII the Japanese shot 
down an American built  Piper observation plane sent by China.  They 
copied it, right down to the bullet holes that brought it down.

Now THAT is "homage"!

Steve

___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



michael king wrote:
> 2009/10/4 David T Johnson <djoh797014 at yahoo.com>
>
>   
>> At the Chicago British Car Festival a few years back we had a real.
>> 1934 Aston Martin LeMas Replica.  After winning the 24 Hrs of LeMans
>> Aston Martin made 3 exact replicas of the winning car.  This was
>> one of the three. Now that's what I cansider a replica.
>>
>> In my mind this 'Cobra' is just another of many kit cars.
>>
>>     
>
> Fraser Nash built "replicas" of their won cars, they were spec cars of the
> ones that did well on the targa florio  and at LM. They were a production
> model and known as a replica.
>
> I know someone here in AU with a 427 Kirkham, the car is period perfect,
> correct side oiler, box hubs, halibrands goodyears etc.. all the mechanical
> and electrical componeets are correct parts, the body is a thing of beaurty
> as in the chassis, it has been made to correct spec and in my opinion more
> of a correct car than the "continuation cobras" shelby has authorised with
> fibrerglass bodies (from what i hear they are stiffer and better handling
> than the ally cars).. you can order a "correct" Kirkham.. or a updated one..
> either way, one of the better corba options out there.. and if you choose,
> it can give the SAME driving experience as a real one.
>
> Its like the bugatti, alfa and lancia D50 replicas some people builf.. you
> can have a "tool room copy" or one that is a homage to the original with
> upgrades.
>
> just my .02c
>
>   
>> --
>> Regards
>>
>> Michael King

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  3 20:57:17 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:57:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] [TIGERS] One of a kind Cobra (OT)
In-Reply-To: <4AC7ED3F.4040604@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <658184.50031.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AND since that plane was copied between them and China, nothing manufactured
in the US has been left uncopied. In the mining industry the Chinese bought a
continuous miner from Joy, anchored their machine shop ship in international
water and then had the nerve to return it UNWANTED after copying each and
every part. I remember several prep plants a dozen or more Chinese engineers
would show up for a tor of the almost complete plant. Good thing we didnt have
digital cameras then as they took bags full of 35 mm film. We thought it funny
as they talked between each other, pointing with excitement as they snapped
pic after pic and now we buy almost everything from them.I try to do my part
but its impossible. They dont make a bearing anywhere in the states now- what
choice do we have- LETS STRIKE!
TtT

--- On Sat, 10/3/09, Steve Laifman <SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com> wrote:

> From: Steve Laifman <SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] [TIGERS] One of a kind Cobra
> To: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>, "Tiger's Den"
<tigers at autox.team.net>
> Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 7:33 PM
> Speaking of "replicas", it is told
> that prior to WWII the Japanese shot
> down an American built  Piper observation plane sent
> by China.  They
> copied it, right down to the bullet holes that brought it
> down.
>
> Now THAT is "homage"!
>
> Steve
>
> ___
> Steve Laifman
> Editor - TigersUnited.com
> <http://www.TigersUnited.com>
>
>
>
> michael king wrote:
> > 2009/10/4 David T Johnson <djoh797014 at yahoo.com>
> >
> >   
> >> At the Chicago British Car Festival a few years
> back we had a real.
> >> 1934 Aston Martin LeMas Replica.  After
> winning the 24 Hrs of LeMans
> >> Aston Martin made 3 exact replicas of the winning
> car.  This was
> >> one of the three. Now that's what I cansider a
> replica.
> >>
> >> In my mind this 'Cobra' is just another of many
> kit cars.
> >>
> >>     
> >
> > Fraser Nash built "replicas" of their won cars, they
> were spec cars of the
> > ones that did well on the targa florio  and at
> LM. They were a production
> > model and known as a replica.
> >
> > I know someone here in AU with a 427 Kirkham, the car
> is period perfect,
> > correct side oiler, box hubs, halibrands goodyears
> etc.. all the mechanical
> > and electrical componeets are correct parts, the body
> is a thing of beaurty
> > as in the chassis, it has been made to correct spec
> and in my opinion more
> > of a correct car than the "continuation cobras" shelby
> has authorised with
> > fibrerglass bodies (from what i hear they are stiffer
> and better handling
> > than the ally cars).. you can order a "correct"
> Kirkham.. or a updated one..
> > either way, one of the better corba options out
> there.. and if you choose,
> > it can give the SAME driving experience as a real
> one.
> >
> > Its like the bugatti, alfa and lancia D50 replicas
> some people builf.. you
> > can have a "tool room copy" or one that is a homage to
> the original with
> > upgrades.
> >
> > just my .02c
> >
> >   
> >> --
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Michael King
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sat Oct  3 21:13:09 2009
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 20:13:09 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra
References: <20091003220924.S0GS8.386777.root@cdptpa-web17-z02>
Message-ID: <46AC338C6FE04BE9A4CE2C5E59B91C5E@student2>

>>>The "judges" gave the best foreign trophy to a Ford woodie because they 
>>>knew the owner was in poor health ????

Maybe the wood siding was Brazilian Mahogany and that qualified it as a 
foreign car. :-)

Tom

From camelot15 at verizon.net  Sun Oct  4 03:38:40 2009
From: camelot15 at verizon.net (Bruce MacDougall)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 05:38:40 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Hood louvers 2
Message-ID: <C6EDE560.69A9%camelot15@verizon.net>

After reading all the responses, and going thru TE/AE & Tigers United
achieves I don't think louvers is the road I want to travel. I'm not a fan
of oil film coating my windshield or me.

The Tiger has a new FMS 302 crate motor, Tom Hall 5 speed, new distributor
set to 20 degrees advance as suggested by Tom Hall, Dale A disc brakes,
steering modifications & rear springs, posi rear end, Griffin radiator, fan
shroud (original only), electric pusher fan and horn hole blockers.

The car has been on the road just one year after sitting in my barn for 18
and then undergoing 6 years of reconstructive surgery. It was TAC'd last
year at the TE/AE United in DC. I worked a second job to pay for this toy,
which is my second Tiger; Tiger #1 I bought in 1969 in San Diego and sold in
1972 before I moved to NYC. What a mistake - selling the Tiger.

Under "normal" conditions, not sitting in traffic idling,  the temp stays
between 180 and 190. On more humid days, I live in Massachusetts, it tends
to run hotter, although I have yet to see it puke out anti freeze. The
people compartment sure gets toasty.

I'm planning an extensive 6 to 7 week around-the-country road trip with the
Tiger next year, hence the questions about louvers to remove excessive heat.
I've got to make the trip soon before I forget how to drive and they take my
license away. I can't be driving down the road with my blinker on.

After all this I think my best option is to follow closely the majority
advice from the list: Don't reinvent the wheel, do all the steps already
proven successful and complete the fan shroud.

A question to Michael King: What is tunneling the valance?

Thank you all. Bruce MacDougall

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 04:19:59 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:19:59 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Hood louvers 2
In-Reply-To: <C6EDE560.69A9%camelot15@verizon.net>
References: <C6EDE560.69A9%camelot15@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0910040319i46665308q20fb1cfe3f0e95d1@mail.gmail.com>

> A question to Michael King: What is tunneling the valance?
>
> Thank you all. Bruce MacDougall
> _______________________________________________
>
> Bruce,

Probably a really bad way of expressing what Jay did (i think its Jay) on
the united site. Building a series of panels that chanels the air though the
valence and gets it to the radiator. It estentialy creates a tunnel so that
the air is not lost out the sides and goes from under the bumper through the
radiator without spilling out he sides or past it.

Also as mentioned on the board a good thing to check is that you are
actually running warm.. get a infrared thermometer and point it at the temp
sender, see if the gauge is actually accuarate and also see what the temp is
at the thermostat and radiator.

Also the ford motors are apparently meant to run well between 190-200 its
been discussed here a few times.. we all get so worried because we look at
the linear way the gauge is laid out, just bcause the mid markings are
170-190 doesnt mean our motors should not be running there.. heck.. its the
same gauge as an alpine and hey are a very different motor and run diffeent
temps.

If the car is not losing fluid.. not running badly when its getting warmer
according to the guage.. it may not be an acurate reading.

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Sun Oct  4 09:27:46 2009
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:27:46 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Hood louvers 2
In-Reply-To: <C6EDE560.69A9%camelot15@verizon.net>
References: <C6EDE560.69A9%camelot15@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <B38B357173104D6A9A845423213D2586@jerry>

Hi Bruce,

I was one of the TAC persons who TACed your car in DC. Very nice car. I read
where you were concerned about leaving your turn signal light on.  Well, if
you have ears like mine (I was in the artillery when I was in Viet Nam,
155mm, 1969 - thus, a little hearing impaired) you could do what I did. I
went to my local Radio Shack and bought a very small 12v buzzer.  However, I
don't recall the part number. I could get it for you, though, if you like
and let you know how I wired it in, very simple.  Then there will be no
wondering if the blinker is on or not. HA.

By any chance will your tour get you through Texas?  If so, please let me
know, I live in Tyler, East Texas.

Jerry Christoperson
9473187
TS #58

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Bruce MacDougall
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 4:39 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Hood louvers 2

After reading all the responses, and going thru TE/AE & Tigers United
achieves I don't think louvers is the road I want to travel. I'm not a fan
of oil film coating my windshield or me.

The Tiger has a new FMS 302 crate motor, Tom Hall 5 speed, new distributor
set to 20 degrees advance as suggested by Tom Hall, Dale A disc brakes,
steering modifications & rear springs, posi rear end, Griffin radiator, fan
shroud (original only), electric pusher fan and horn hole blockers.

The car has been on the road just one year after sitting in my barn for 18
and then undergoing 6 years of reconstructive surgery. It was TAC'd last
year at the TE/AE United in DC. I worked a second job to pay for this toy,
which is my second Tiger; Tiger #1 I bought in 1969 in San Diego and sold in
1972 before I moved to NYC. What a mistake - selling the Tiger.

Under "normal" conditions, not sitting in traffic idling,  the temp stays
between 180 and 190. On more humid days, I live in Massachusetts, it tends
to run hotter, although I have yet to see it puke out anti freeze. The
people compartment sure gets toasty.

I'm planning an extensive 6 to 7 week around-the-country road trip with the
Tiger next year, hence the questions about louvers to remove excessive heat.
I've got to make the trip soon before I forget how to drive and they take my
license away. I can't be driving down the road with my blinker on.

After all this I think my best option is to follow closely the majority
advice from the list: Don't reinvent the wheel, do all the steps already
proven successful and complete the fan shroud.

A question to Michael King: What is tunneling the valance?

Thank you all. Bruce MacDougall
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From twojohnsons at cox.net  Sun Oct  4 10:10:06 2009
From: twojohnsons at cox.net (Alvin Johnson)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:10:06 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Hood louvers 2
References: <C6EDE560.69A9%camelot15@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <004901ca450d$23834fa0$6401a8c0@13930193605348f>

I had louvers for 25 years & never had any windshield film coating. I 
suspect that new crate 302 of yours is just as "un-leaky" as my 5-bolt 289.
And louvers are certainly "retro-coooool!"
Al J

> I'm not a fan
> of oil film coating my windshield or me.

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct  4 10:19:38 2009
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (J. Nichols)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:19:38 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Many One of a Kinds
Message-ID: <003b01ca450e$796a2aa0$6601a8c0@your03667082de>

"At the Chicago British Car Festival a few years back we had a real.
1934 Aston Martin LeMas Replica.  After winning the 24 Hrs of LeMans
Aston Martin made 3 exact replicas of the winning car."


Hmmm, I wonder how Aston Martin pulled that one off since they won Le Mans one
time in 1959.  And the drivers where Roy Salvadori and Mr. Cobra himself,
Carroll Shelby.

The most interesting clone, replica, continuation car or whatever you want to
call it that I have seen is the Jaguar XJ13 that someone in the Detroit area
owns.  The XJ13 was a mid 60's prototype that Jaguar was considering to race
at Le Mans but never did.  I don't know who made it but it is a knock-out to
see.


                                                                             
                      Jeff

From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net  Sun Oct  4 10:52:36 2009
From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 09:52:36 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Many One of a Kinds
In-Reply-To: <003b01ca450e$796a2aa0$6601a8c0@your03667082de>
References: <003b01ca450e$796a2aa0$6601a8c0@your03667082de>
Message-ID: <4AC8D2D4.6010805@cox.net>

Perhaps the car in question was a Frazier Nash.
There was the LeMans Rep.
And then there was the Rep Rep.
I have no idea how it's possible to do a replica of a replica, but I 
believe Frazier Nash (or someone) managed it. :-)

Best Regards
David Sosna

J. Nichols wrote:
> "At the Chicago British Car Festival a few years back we had a real.
> 1934 Aston Martin LeMas Replica.  After winning the 24 Hrs of LeMans
> Aston Martin made 3 exact replicas of the winning car."
>
>
> Hmmm, I wonder how Aston Martin pulled that one off since they won Le Mans one
> time in 1959.  And the drivers where Roy Salvadori and Mr. Cobra himself,
> Carroll Shelby.
>
> The most interesting clone, replica, continuation car or whatever you want to
> call it that I have seen is the Jaguar XJ13 that someone in the Detroit area
> owns.  The XJ13 was a mid 60's prototype that Jaguar was considering to race
> at Le Mans but never did.  I don't know who made it but it is a knock-out to
> see.
>
>
>                                                                              
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  4 12:48:20 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:48:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Hood louvers 2
In-Reply-To: <C6EDE560.69A9%camelot15@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <259929.95049.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Bruce- it doesnt sound like your Tiger is running hot at all and with the
timing advanced for better performnce, power wise, I think you have good
numbers. As for the people compartment- there are several things that help and
articles on HOW TO DO THEM available at the TU site, the TE/AE website and
from newsletters. The author of any article will be glad to refer you to where
his article can be read. The bad is most of it should have been done before
the engine and interior where installed but there are still several small
things that help. My friend MS and I drove my Mk1 from St.Louis to SUNI this
year. The car had not been driven for  quite a while and upon starting the
engine the heater core started leaking- so out it came, reroute the hoses, who
needs heat that time of year. well the ammount of hot air coming thru the
holes the heater hoses went thru, minus the heater core, we had the heat on,
so we stuffed paper towells to block the hot engine
 compartment air from going to the point of least resistance. Thats just an
example of any openings in the firwall that helps heat the people compartment.
I wont go into insulating the floorboards and or firewall etc. as the articles
you seek will cover those but you can do much to help lower the inside temps.
Some have even installed ac.I think cruise control helps the feet a ton.Your
baby, you burp it. Good luck.
TtT

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, Bruce MacDougall <camelot15 at verizon.net> wrote:

> From: Bruce MacDougall <camelot15 at verizon.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] Hood louvers 2
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 4:38 AM
> After reading all the responses, and
> going thru TE/AE & Tigers United
> achieves I don't think louvers is the road I want to
> travel. I'm not a fan
> of oil film coating my windshield or me.
>
> The Tiger has a new FMS 302 crate motor, Tom Hall 5 speed,
> new distributor
> set to 20 degrees advance as suggested by Tom Hall, Dale A
> disc brakes,
> steering modifications & rear springs, posi rear end,
> Griffin radiator, fan
> shroud (original only), electric pusher fan and horn hole
> blockers.
>
> The car has been on the road just one year after sitting in
> my barn for 18
> and then undergoing 6 years of reconstructive surgery. It
> was TAC'd last
> year at the TE/AE United in DC. I worked a second job to
> pay for this toy,
> which is my second Tiger; Tiger #1 I bought in 1969 in San
> Diego and sold in
> 1972 before I moved to NYC. What a mistake - selling the
> Tiger.
>
> Under "normal" conditions, not sitting in traffic
> idling,  the temp stays
> between 180 and 190. On more humid days, I live in
> Massachusetts, it tends
> to run hotter, although I have yet to see it puke out anti
> freeze. The
> people compartment sure gets toasty.
>
> I'm planning an extensive 6 to 7 week around-the-country
> road trip with the
> Tiger next year, hence the questions about louvers to
> remove excessive heat.
> I've got to make the trip soon before I forget how to drive
> and they take my
> license away. I can't be driving down the road with my
> blinker on.
>
> After all this I think my best option is to follow closely
> the majority
> advice from the list: Don't reinvent the wheel, do all the
> steps already
> proven successful and complete the fan shroud.
>
> A question to Michael King: What is tunneling the valance?
>
> Thank you all. Bruce MacDougall
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From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  4 16:13:03 2009
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 15:13:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Many One of a Kinds
In-Reply-To: <4AC8D2D4.6010805@cox.net>
Message-ID: <614961.57238.qm@web111616.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Did I say Aston Martiin I meant Fraser Nash.  In fact all three
Brit Cars that competed against each were there.  The Fraser
Nash, a Jaguary, and a Bentley.  The last time all three were
at one spot was at LeMans.
 
All sorts of neat cars are driven (not trailered) to the Festival.
This year a 1923 Silver Ghost, An early 30's Bentley left side
(no doors on the right covered in hand fitted leather not paint)
2 Morgan trikes, an Arnolt Bristol, etc. 
 

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, David Sosna <sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net> wrote:


From: David Sosna <sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Many One of a Kinds
To:
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 4:52 PM


Perhaps the car in question was a Frazier Nash.
There was the LeMans Rep.
And then there was the Rep Rep.
I have no idea how it's possible to do a replica of a replica, but I
believe Frazier Nash (or someone) managed it. :-)

Best Regards
David Sosna

J. Nichols wrote:
> "At the Chicago British Car Festival a few years back we had a real.
> 1934 Aston Martin LeMas Replica.  After winning the 24 Hrs of LeMans
> Aston Martin made 3 exact replicas of the winning car."
>
>
> Hmmm, I wonder how Aston Martin pulled that one off since they won Le Mans
one
> time in 1959.  And the drivers where Roy Salvadori and Mr. Cobra himself,
> Carroll Shelby.
>
> The most interesting clone, replica, continuation car or whatever you want
to
> call it that I have seen is the Jaguar XJ13 that someone in the Detroit
area
> owns.  The XJ13 was a mid 60's prototype that Jaguar was considering to
race
> at Le Mans but never did.  I don't know who made it but it is a knock-out
to
> see.
>
>
>                                                                             
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From glowboy at starstream.net  Sun Oct  4 20:26:00 2009
From: glowboy at starstream.net (DERRICK SCHMIDT)
Date: Sun,  4 Oct 2009 19:26:00 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra
Message-ID: <200910041926.AA4038918172@mail.starstream.net>

>It's not a real AC Shelby

I agree, it is SO MUCH BETTER than a "real AC Shelby"!

Just my $0.02 




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From CoolVT at aol.com  Sun Oct  4 21:01:30 2009
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 23:01:30 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra
Message-ID: <c8d.51fce726.37fabb8a@aol.com>

I attended a show this summer where only about 25 cars  showed up because 
of poor weather.  When I looked on the trophy table there  had to be close to 
100 trophies.  I guess everyone was going to win that  day:-)  
 
 
In a message dated 10/3/2009 6:27:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
sralsten at ca.rr.com writes:

I think  it must be a real Cobra, based on my recent experience anyway.
2 weeks ago  I took my Tiger to a local club show. There were only
2 foreign cars there.  Me and an Anglia hot rod. The "judges" gave the best
foreign trophy to a  Ford woodie because they knew the owner was in
poor health  ????

Better than that they have a category Best 60/70's car. The ahem  "judges"
awarded that to a replica Cobra. Not even a real car and not even  built
in the 60's or 70's.

Go  figure

Steve
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From srwick at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  4 21:39:36 2009
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:39:36 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra
In-Reply-To: <20091003220924.S0GS8.386777.root@cdptpa-web17-z02>
References: <20091003220924.S0GS8.386777.root@cdptpa-web17-z02>
Message-ID: <COL122-DS2504D960CA72C708DF4510D8CF0@phx.gbl>

That sort of thing happens a lot. I went to a car show in Portland, Or once
and they gave a trophy to a guy whose door jams didn't even match his body
color and had a homemade trailer hitch on his '68 Galaxie bumper "Because he
came to every show and never won anything". When the time for the long
distance trophy came around, I'd come 100 miles further than the next closest
but they were going to give it to the other guy anyway. The presenter on the
stage tried to press on with the presentation while the crowd shouted at him
and looked visibly upset when he finally gave up and gave the trophy to me. I
gave the trophy to one of my grandsons and never went back to that show. Just
remember, you can buy all the trophies you want for $10-$15 each if you have
to have them. I go to visit with people and don't worry what the political
wonks think of me or my cars. Just have fun.

Steve
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  To: Tigers Den<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> ; Stephen
Waybright<mailto:gswaybright at yahoo.com> ; Cullen
McCann<mailto:cmccann at lwpb.com>
  Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 3:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra


  I think it must be a real Cobra, based on my recent experience anyway.
  2 weeks ago I took my Tiger to a local club show. There were only
  2 foreign cars there. Me and an Anglia hot rod. The "judges" gave the best
  foreign trophy to a Ford woodie because they knew the owner was in
  poor health ????

  Better than that they have a category Best 60/70's car. The ahem "judges"
  awarded that to a replica Cobra. Not even a real car and not even built
  in the 60's or 70's.

  Go figure

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From cmccann at lwpb.com  Mon Oct  5 08:11:57 2009
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:11:57 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] alpine on craigslist, kansas
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BAF02E285@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

Kinda interesting....early series 1 alpine.....pro street...small block Chevy
powered. Pics aren't that good, or very descriptive...but if you like this
sort of thing, It looks like it could be put together well...

http://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/1404346396.html

From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Mon Oct  5 10:38:25 2009
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:38:25 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra
In-Reply-To: <COL122-DS2504D960CA72C708DF4510D8CF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20091005163825.3G26L.8226.root@cdptpa-web22-z01>

I agree, I go to keep Sunbeams in front of the public not for trophies.
I've got boxes full of sailing and bowling trophies in the attic.

I won't bother with this particular club any longer because if you are going to have a judged
show you should at least stick to your own rules, they don't. How can a 90's
built replica win best 60's/70's car ? I was having a discussion with another owner
and friend who remarked this group used to have the public vote for trophies and ended that
when the "Best 56,57,58 Chevy" was given to a 52 Chevy. I think that is better
than best 60/70's given to a 90's replica by supposedly educated judges.

Steve





---- steve wick <srwick at hotmail.com> wrote: 
> That sort of thing happens a lot. I went to a car show in Portland, Or once and they gave a trophy to a guy whose door jams didn't even match his body color and had a homemade trailer hitch on his '68 Galaxie bumper "Because he came to every show and never won anything". When the time for the long distance trophy came around, I'd come 100 miles further than the next closest but they were going to give it to the other guy anyway. The presenter on the stage tried to press on with the presentation while the crowd shouted at him and looked visibly upset when he finally gave up and gave the trophy to me. I gave the trophy to one of my grandsons and never went back to that show. Just remember, you can buy all the trophies you want for $10-$15 each if you have to have them. I go to visit with people and don't worry what the political wonks think of me or my cars. Just have fun.
> 
> Steve
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>   From: sralsten at ca.rr.com<mailto:sralsten at ca.rr.com> 
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>   Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 3:09 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra
> 
> 
>   I think it must be a real Cobra, based on my recent experience anyway.
>   2 weeks ago I took my Tiger to a local club show. There were only
>   2 foreign cars there. Me and an Anglia hot rod. The "judges" gave the best
>   foreign trophy to a Ford woodie because they knew the owner was in
>   poor health ????
> 
>   Better than that they have a category Best 60/70's car. The ahem "judges"
>   awarded that to a replica Cobra. Not even a real car and not even built
>   in the 60's or 70's.
> 
>   Go figure
> 
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From cmccann at lwpb.com  Mon Oct  5 10:50:29 2009
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:50:29 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra
In-Reply-To: <20091005163825.3G26L.8226.root@cdptpa-web22-z01>
References: <COL122-DS2504D960CA72C708DF4510D8CF0@phx.gbl>
	<20091005163825.3G26L.8226.root@cdptpa-web22-z01>
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BAF02E340@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

I agree...I have actually hosted several shows here in okc......and our mission when we ran the show was to not let this kind of thing happen...and myself and my crew are friends and family who have been burned in past years showing for reasons like this. Cars in the wrong category, uninformed judges, etc. also I donbt personally agree with entering a brand new production car to compete against customs or restored classics, etc. like a viper competing against a sunbeam or whatever.....for that we offered a trophy for the best credit award. donbt get me wrong, nice new performance cars are great...but donbt buy one and take it to a show and compete against someone's hard work for restoration....

and judges shouldn't be so biased or ignorant that they can't judge objectively against other cars of the same style. Personally I have a well built custom fox body mustang...drive it daily, and I donbt mind showing it, but it needs to be judged against things like itself..and the judges need to know enough about what they are looking at to judge fairly...or you need to have a judge assigned to that category - late model performance, one for late model imports and tuners...etc....and also we had a person who took entry applications that "policed" or "QC'd" that people entered their cars in the right category. I often saw cars that looked completely restored in an "unfinished" class...and WOULD WIN...which always pissed me off when I was showing a car unfinished or in progress that was in primer and the interior was half missing...

man I could get on my soapbox for years of bad car showing experiences. not as many as I had for good experiences, but still...... 





Subject: Re: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra

I agree, I go to keep Sunbeams in front of the public not for trophies.
I've got boxes full of sailing and bowling trophies in the attic.

I won't bother with this particular club any longer because if you are going to have a judged
show you should at least stick to your own rules, they don't. How can a 90's
built replica win best 60's/70's car ? I was having a discussion with another owner
and friend who remarked this group used to have the public vote for trophies and ended that
when the "Best 56,57,58 Chevy" was given to a 52 Chevy. I think that is better
than best 60/70's given to a 90's replica by supposedly educated judges.

Steve

From spook01 at comcast.net  Mon Oct  5 16:49:44 2009
From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:49:44 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra
References: <COL122-DS2504D960CA72C708DF4510D8CF0@phx.gbl><20091005163825.3G26L.8226.root@cdptpa-web22-z01>
	<4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BAF02E340@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>
Message-ID: <E6E227A4EDF44B909EAA752158064760@yourpd3mh0abgs>

if only it were true......
every year, we get a lot of tiger guys who CLAIM to be showing up for the 
car show here in nashville.  so far, we have had one (1) tiger and one (1) 
alpine show up.
zero of them pre register, then get pissed when the two of them had no class 
by themselves.
go figure.
Best,
Ray

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To: "Tigers Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra


>I agree...I have actually hosted several shows here in okc......and our 
>mission when we ran the show was to not let this kind of thing happen...and 
>myself and my crew are friends and family who have been burned in past 
>years showing for reasons like this. Cars in the wrong category, uninformed 
>judges, etc. also I donbt personally agree with entering a brand new 
>production car to compete against customs or restored classics, etc. like a 
>viper competing against a sunbeam or whatever.....for that we offered a 
>trophy for the best credit award. donbt get me wrong, nice new performance 
>cars are great...but donbt buy one and take it to a show and compete 
>against someone's hard work for restoration....
>
> and judges shouldn't be so biased or ignorant that they can't judge 
> objectively against other cars of the same style. Personally I have a well 
> built custom fox body mustang...drive it daily, and I donbt mind showing 
> it, but it needs to be judged against things like itself..and the judges 
> need to know enough about what they are looking at to judge fairly...or 
> you need to have a judge assigned to that category - late model 
> performance, one for late model imports and tuners...etc....and also we 
> had a person who took entry applications that "policed" or "QC'd" that 
> people entered their cars in the right category. I often saw cars that 
> looked completely restored in an "unfinished" class...and WOULD 
> WIN...which always pissed me off when I was showing a car unfinished or in 
> progress that was in primer and the interior was half missing...
>
> man I could get on my soapbox for years of bad car showing experiences. 
> not as many as I had for good experiences, but still......
>
>
>
>
>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra
>
> I agree, I go to keep Sunbeams in front of the public not for trophies.
> I've got boxes full of sailing and bowling trophies in the attic.
>
> I won't bother with this particular club any longer because if you are 
> going to have a judged
> show you should at least stick to your own rules, they don't. How can a 
> 90's
> built replica win best 60's/70's car ? I was having a discussion with 
> another owner
> and friend who remarked this group used to have the public vote for 
> trophies and ended that
> when the "Best 56,57,58 Chevy" was given to a 52 Chevy. I think that is 
> better
> than best 60/70's given to a 90's replica by supposedly educated judges.
>
> Steve
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From brockctella at juno.com  Tue Oct  6 11:04:53 2009
From: brockctella at juno.com (BrockCTella)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:04:53 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts
Message-ID: <20091006.100538.17762.16265@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com>

Anyone have a source for the TRW mounts(recommended) in shop notes? I
have checked with the regular vendors and Google. Thanks
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From Greg.Koss at TRW.COM  Tue Oct  6 11:31:24 2009
From: Greg.Koss at TRW.COM (Greg Koss)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:31:24 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts
In-Reply-To: <20091006.100538.17762.16265@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20091006.100538.17762.16265@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <4ACB46E1.880C.0076.0@TRW.COM>

TRW does not make motor mounts at this time.

Gregory Koss
Senior Marketing Planner
TRW Automotive
Parts & Service North America
248-863-2435
248-926-2261  Fax

>>> BrockCTella <brockctella at juno.com> 10/6/2009 1:04 PM >>>
Anyone have a source for the TRW mounts(recommended) in shop notes? I
have checked with the regular vendors and Google. Thanks

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct  6 14:09:01 2009
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 13:09:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Are You Threatening Me?
Message-ID: <892810.94005.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Check out this Sunbeam Tiger on Ebay #  250509224636.    From his
description:
 
"THIS IS NOT A PLACE TO WINDOW SHOP PEOPLE!!!!!! EITHER PLACE A BID OR MOVE
ON!!!!!!!! THIS VEHICLE WILL BE PLACED BACK IN STORAGE INDEFINITELY AFTER THIS
LISTING!!!!!!!!!!"
 
 
 Do you think this is a motivated seller? 
 
 
                                                     Jeff

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Oct  6 14:26:20 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:26:20 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts
In-Reply-To: <20091006.100538.17762.16265@mailpop08.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <69A906DD229244DC9D7E3024A64D87C2@ronpc1>

Sunbeam Specialties has engine mounts and probably Classic Sunbeam.
Support the Sunbeam parts dealers.

I bought Doan motor mounts 30 yrs ago but I don't know if that brand is
still available.

Ron Fraser

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On Behalf Of BrockCTella
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 1:05 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts


Anyone have a source for the TRW mounts(recommended) in shop notes? I have
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From v8tracker at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 15:51:33 2009
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:51:33 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Are You Threatening Me?
In-Reply-To: <892810.94005.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <892810.94005.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FD8C602B5C454DAF87DBED240515AA36@DellD4700>

Sounds like the seller isn't going to sell the car regardless of the bid
price, since it's going back into storage after the listing.

I guess I've been wrong all these years. I always thought EBay was one of
the world's great places to window shop.

A. C. Tynes
New Orleans  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 3:09 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Are You Threatening Me?
> 
> Check out this Sunbeam Tiger on Ebay #  250509224636.    From his
> description:
>  
> "THIS IS NOT A PLACE TO WINDOW SHOP PEOPLE!!!!!! EITHER PLACE 
> A BID OR MOVE ON!!!!!!!! THIS VEHICLE WILL BE PLACED BACK IN 
> STORAGE INDEFINITELY AFTER THIS LISTING!!!!!!!!!!"
>  
>  
>  Do you think this is a motivated seller? 
>  
>  
>                                                      Jeff 
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Oct  6 17:01:39 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 16:01:39 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Are You Threatening Me?
In-Reply-To: <FD8C602B5C454DAF87DBED240515AA36@DellD4700>
References: <892810.94005.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<FD8C602B5C454DAF87DBED240515AA36@DellD4700>
Message-ID: <4ACBCC53.4020708@mayfco.com>

Perhaps just to aggrvate the seller, every member should send an email 
requesting some arcane pieces of information. And of course, every 
message shold be in caps, lol.  Such things as the size of the wheel 
studs, number of threads, whether 7/16 or 1/2 inch and the bolt circle 
used. And if the front is same as the rear. And how thick is th efront 
disk brake rotor. What rear gear is installed and how many shims are in 
the wheel bearing shim pack. I am sure we could be effective, lol....  
No doubt some of the folk who TAC and those that restore could come up 
with some data requests that are humdingers!

mayf
A. C. Tynes wrote:

>Sounds like the seller isn't going to sell the car regardless of the bid
>price, since it's going back into storage after the listing.
>
>I guess I've been wrong all these years. I always thought EBay was one of
>the world's great places to window shop.
>
>A. C. Tynes
>New Orleans  
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
>>[mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 3:09 PM
>>To: tigers at autox.team.net
>>Subject: [Tigers] Are You Threatening Me?
>>
>>Check out this Sunbeam Tiger on Ebay #  250509224636.    From his
>>description:
>> 
>>"THIS IS NOT A PLACE TO WINDOW SHOP PEOPLE!!!!!! EITHER PLACE 
>>A BID OR MOVE ON!!!!!!!! THIS VEHICLE WILL BE PLACED BACK IN 
>>STORAGE INDEFINITELY AFTER THIS LISTING!!!!!!!!!!"
>> 
>> 
>> Do you think this is a motivated seller? 
>> 
>> 
>>                                                     Jeff 
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  6 19:23:18 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:23:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re:  Tiger engine mounts
Message-ID: <794354.42961.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts
> To: rfraser at bluefrog.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 8:22 PM
> IF you can find any made in the US
> "anywhere" I want to know, i will store some. Im considering
> what might be available in the UK- might be some old stock
> still US made- does ayone know what other cars the mounts
> are the same as? I know one exhaust manifold was duplicated
> and the other side a one of a kind BUT seems the rubber
> mounts are the same as a Mustang(for example) but my memory
> comes and goes- just like the letters on my keyboard.
> TtT
>
> --- On Tue, 10/6/09, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts
> > To: "'BrockCTella'" <brockctella at juno.com>,
> tigers at autox.team.net
> > Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 3:26 PM
> > Sunbeam Specialties has engine mounts
> > and probably Classic Sunbeam.
> > Support the Sunbeam parts dealers.
> >
> > I bought Doan motor mounts 30 yrs ago but I don't know
> if
> > that brand is
> > still available.
> >
> > Ron Fraser
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> > On Behalf Of BrockCTella
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 1:05 PM
> > To: tigers at autox.team.net
> > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine mounts
> >
> >
> > Anyone have a source for the TRW mounts(recommended)
> in
> > shop notes? I have
> > checked with the regular vendors and Google. Thanks
> >
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From drmoonstone at aol.com  Wed Oct  7 14:00:43 2009
From: drmoonstone at aol.com (drmoonstone at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:00:43 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra
In-Reply-To: <2E9892604EDD4191A594C34B50481050@computer>
References: <2E9892604EDD4191A594C34B50481050@computer>
Message-ID: <8CC159FFCB436CE-239C-21517@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com>

In regards to Cobra bodies from the old mans company there were three 
choices in the kits and roller kits.

1. The Kirkham hand made body  (no longer available through Shelby)
2. A stamped aluminum body made in Poland
3. The fiberglass body that is made at the prison just north of the 
L.V.

All of course cost different amounts. With the Kirkham body being hand 
made it comes closer to the "real" thing. It is interesting that when 
you get a group of Cobra owners together they argue about color, body 
contours and the like. The fact is that every Cobra was different, 
being hand made. The color was mixed new each week and by eye, so in a 
manner of speaking no blue is right. This information comes from the 
man in charge of the Shelby continuation line. I got to spend an 
evening in the L.V. plant after hours and was even told to call Bob the 
next time we came back to L.V. so we could take one of the Series One 
cars out for the day.


Moonstone

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Wed Oct  7 14:32:13 2009
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:32:13 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra
References: <2E9892604EDD4191A594C34B50481050@computer>
	<8CC159FFCB436CE-239C-21517@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CAAC1992A9D47E3AB8BEFBE54A87A31@student2>

>>>I got to spend an evening in the L.V. plant after hours and was even told 
>>>to call Bob the next time we came back to L.V. so we could take one of 
>>>the Series One cars out for the day.<<<

SHHhhh.....  what happens in Vegas - should stay in Vegas!  :-)   But 
really, it sounds like a cool visit.

Tom 

From v8tracker at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 15:40:49 2009
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:40:49 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Are You Threatening Me?
In-Reply-To: <4ACBCC53.4020708@mayfco.com>
References: <892810.94005.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<FD8C602B5C454DAF87DBED240515AA36@DellD4700>
	<4ACBCC53.4020708@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <A5EEAF59E08C4538BF1B1D47FFCB40D4@DellD4700>

Dr. mayf,

You are downright vicious - I sure am glad you are for us and not agin us!

Actually, I did ask him for pictures of the VIN plate and Jensen plate
"before I decided whether to bid or move on", but I have been ignored so
far. Maybe I hit a nerve?

A. C. Tynes
New Orleans


> -----Original Message-----
> From: drmayf [mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 6:02 PM
> To: A. C. Tynes
> Cc: 'Jeffrey Nichols'; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are You Threatening Me?
> 
> Perhaps just to aggrvate the seller, every member should send 
> an email requesting some arcane pieces of information. And of 
> course, every message shold be in caps, lol.  Such things as 
> the size of the wheel studs, number of threads, whether 7/16 
> or 1/2 inch and the bolt circle used. And if the front is 
> same as the rear. And how thick is th efront disk brake 
> rotor. What rear gear is installed and how many shims are in 
> the wheel bearing shim pack. I am sure we could be effective, 
> lol....  
> No doubt some of the folk who TAC and those that restore 
> could come up with some data requests that are humdingers!
> 
> mayf
> A. C. Tynes wrote:
> 
> >Sounds like the seller isn't going to sell the car regardless of the 
> >bid price, since it's going back into storage after the listing.
> >
> >I guess I've been wrong all these years. I always thought 
> EBay was one 
> >of the world's great places to window shop.
> >
> >A. C. Tynes
> >New Orleans
> >
> >  
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> >>[mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols
> >>Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 3:09 PM
> >>To: tigers at autox.team.net
> >>Subject: [Tigers] Are You Threatening Me?
> >>
> >>Check out this Sunbeam Tiger on Ebay #  250509224636.    From his
> >>description:
> >> 
> >>"THIS IS NOT A PLACE TO WINDOW SHOP PEOPLE!!!!!! EITHER 
> PLACE A BID OR 
> >>MOVE ON!!!!!!!! THIS VEHICLE WILL BE PLACED BACK IN STORAGE 
> >>INDEFINITELY AFTER THIS LISTING!!!!!!!!!!"
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Do you think this is a motivated seller? 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>                                                     Jeff 
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Oct  7 16:10:35 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:10:35 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Are You Threatening Me?
In-Reply-To: <A5EEAF59E08C4538BF1B1D47FFCB40D4@DellD4700>
References: <892810.94005.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<FD8C602B5C454DAF87DBED240515AA36@DellD4700>
	<4ACBCC53.4020708@mayfco.com>
	<A5EEAF59E08C4538BF1B1D47FFCB40D4@DellD4700>
Message-ID: <4ACD11DB.4040304@mayfco.com>

Some people define, through their actions, how they wish to be treated. 
He yelled at us and dared us to look and make a bid. Showing him the 
correct path woulda been fun, lol...  No info on vin or JAL tag, eh?    
Suspicious right up front...

mayf
A. C. Tynes wrote:

>Dr. mayf,
>
>You are downright vicious - I sure am glad you are for us and not agin us!
>
>Actually, I did ask him for pictures of the VIN plate and Jensen plate
>"before I decided whether to bid or move on", but I have been ignored so
>far. Maybe I hit a nerve?
>
>A. C. Tynes
>New Orleans
>
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: drmayf [mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com] 
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 6:02 PM
>>To: A. C. Tynes
>>Cc: 'Jeffrey Nichols'; tigers at autox.team.net
>>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Are You Threatening Me?
>>
>>Perhaps just to aggrvate the seller, every member should send 
>>an email requesting some arcane pieces of information. And of 
>>course, every message shold be in caps, lol.  Such things as 
>>the size of the wheel studs, number of threads, whether 7/16 
>>or 1/2 inch and the bolt circle used. And if the front is 
>>same as the rear. And how thick is th efront disk brake 
>>rotor. What rear gear is installed and how many shims are in 
>>the wheel bearing shim pack. I am sure we could be effective, 
>>lol....  
>>No doubt some of the folk who TAC and those that restore 
>>could come up with some data requests that are humdingers!
>>
>>mayf
>>A. C. Tynes wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Sounds like the seller isn't going to sell the car regardless of the 
>>>bid price, since it's going back into storage after the listing.
>>>
>>>I guess I've been wrong all these years. I always thought 
>>>      
>>>
>>EBay was one 
>>    
>>
>>>of the world's great places to window shop.
>>>
>>>A. C. Tynes
>>>New Orleans
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
>>>>[mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 3:09 PM
>>>>To: tigers at autox.team.net
>>>>Subject: [Tigers] Are You Threatening Me?
>>>>
>>>>Check out this Sunbeam Tiger on Ebay #  250509224636.    From his
>>>>description:
>>>>
>>>>"THIS IS NOT A PLACE TO WINDOW SHOP PEOPLE!!!!!! EITHER 
>>>>        
>>>>
>>PLACE A BID OR 
>>    
>>
>>>>MOVE ON!!!!!!!! THIS VEHICLE WILL BE PLACED BACK IN STORAGE 
>>>>INDEFINITELY AFTER THIS LISTING!!!!!!!!!!"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Do you think this is a motivated seller? 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                                    Jeff 
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>>
>>>>You are subscribed as v8tracker at gmail.com
>>>>
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>>>>
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From drmoonstone at aol.com  Thu Oct  8 15:35:53 2009
From: drmoonstone at aol.com (drmoonstone at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:35:53 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra
In-Reply-To: <8CAAC1992A9D47E3AB8BEFBE54A87A31@student2>
References: <8CAAC1992A9D47E3AB8BEFBE54A87A31@student2>
Message-ID: <8CC16767259FE9B-5C34-EC1F@webmail-m083.sysops.aol.com>

It was way too cool for words. Got all the stories from the 
source....GT 350, Cobra Blue, the fire in the pits at Lemans, etc.

Moonstone

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, Oct 7, 2009 1:32 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] One of a kind Cobra

>>>I got to spend an evening in the L.V. plant after hours and was even 
told
>>>to call Bob the next time we came back to L.V. so we could take one 
of
>>>the Series One cars out for the day.<<<

SHHhhh.....  what happens in Vegas - should stay in Vegas!  :-)   But
really, it sounds like a cool visit.

Tom
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 16:26:58 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:26:58 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] WARNING - ball joints
Message-ID: <d86d088a0910091526m2453819bh736cd2a68400a3f2@mail.gmail.com>

When i purchased my Tiger in 2007 the front end had been rebuild with all
new parts by a well known USA Sunbeam expert. I believe this work was done
around 2003. I noticed the steering on the car was very heavy and slow to
self centre. I accepted this as a Tiger thing and let it go. After a few
more months i decided that it was just a bit to slow, maybe i had to much
toe in or the alignment was bad. As it turned out i had a faulty set of
lower ball joints. They had never had any grease in them and they had no
grease nipple. They were seizing with rust.

Recently a friend who has restored his car noticed the steering had become
increasingly heavy, we discussed ths and i mentioned the ball joints, he
restored his car starting in about 1997 and finshing around 2007. He had
bought the ball joints in about 2000.. as it turns out he had the same
issue. If you have lower ball joints you bought between 1999-2004 and the do
not have grease nipples on them peel the boots back and ensure they have
grease in there, this could cause a serious accident if they seize on you.

Hope this helps some people out there.

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Sat Oct 10 10:08:28 2009
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:08:28 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] WARNING - ball joints
References: <d86d088a0910091526m2453819bh736cd2a68400a3f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157F79A0D@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

You mean the ball joints had a hole for a grease nipple but no nipple
installed, or they didn't have a hole at all? I've seen tie rod ends without a
hole but never a ball joint...

The balljoints I got from Rick had the hole but no zerk fittings installed.
Bought some, threaded them in, and pumped the balljoints full of grease until
the boots were full. I don't know if they had anything other than assembly
lube in them beforehand.
Theo


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of michael king
Sent: Fri 10/9/2009 4:26 PM
To: Tiger Talk List Tiger
Subject: [Tigers] WARNING - ball joints

When i purchased my Tiger in 2007 the front end had been rebuild with all
new parts by a well known USA Sunbeam expert. I believe this work was done
around 2003. I noticed the steering on the car was very heavy and slow to
self centre. I accepted this as a Tiger thing and let it go. After a few
more months i decided that it was just a bit to slow, maybe i had to much
toe in or the alignment was bad. As it turned out i had a faulty set of
lower ball joints. They had never had any grease in them and they had no
grease nipple. They were seizing with rust.

Recently a friend who has restored his car noticed the steering had become
increasingly heavy, we discussed ths and i mentioned the ball joints, he
restored his car starting in about 1997 and finshing around 2007. He had
bought the ball joints in about 2000.. as it turns out he had the same
issue. If you have lower ball joints you bought between 1999-2004 and the do
not have grease nipples on them peel the boots back and ensure they have
grease in there, this could cause a serious accident if they seize on you.

Hope this helps some people out there.

--
Regards

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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 10 10:57:24 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:57:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] WARNING - ball joints
In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157F79A0D@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <411146.14184.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Theo- Out of curiosity and to make it clear to anyone not understanding----
the ball joint I'm seeing in my mind has a thin piece or metal that acts as a
sealing cover and a place to install a grease zerk. On your B.Joints the hole
was drilled but since the metal is thin, you didn't have to tap the hole, just
use the correct diameter zerk...?
Ive had suspension parts come with the hole and no zerk but they where
floating loosely in the carton or plastic bag. Going back in time things where
more apt to have went down a better assembly line but as things "improved" and
moved to China and Mexico, the zerks could have been left out intentionally or
with no one caring if they where added or not- maybe the stock room was out
that day. THAT thought bears no reflection on where Theo purchased his parts.
TtT
--- On Sat, 10/10/09, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:

> From: Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] WARNING - ball joints
> To: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>, "Tiger Talk List Tiger"
<tigers at autox.team.net>
> Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 11:08 AM
> You mean the ball joints had a hole
> for a grease nipple but no nipple
> installed, or they didn't have a hole at all? I've seen tie
> rod ends without a
> hole but never a ball joint...
>
> The balljoints I got from Rick had the hole but no zerk
> fittings installed.
> Bought some, threaded them in, and pumped the balljoints
> full of grease until
> the boots were full. I don't know if they had anything
> other than assembly
> lube in them beforehand.
> Theo
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> on behalf of michael king
> Sent: Fri 10/9/2009 4:26 PM
> To: Tiger Talk List Tiger
> Subject: [Tigers] WARNING - ball joints
>
> When i purchased my Tiger in 2007 the front end had been
> rebuild with all
> new parts by a well known USA Sunbeam expert. I believe
> this work was done
> around 2003. I noticed the steering on the car was very
> heavy and slow to
> self centre. I accepted this as a Tiger thing and let it
> go. After a few
> more months i decided that it was just a bit to slow, maybe
> i had to much
> toe in or the alignment was bad. As it turned out i had a
> faulty set of
> lower ball joints. They had never had any grease in them
> and they had no
> grease nipple. They were seizing with rust.
>
> Recently a friend who has restored his car noticed the
> steering had become
> increasingly heavy, we discussed ths and i mentioned the
> ball joints, he
> restored his car starting in about 1997 and finshing around
> 2007. He had
> bought the ball joints in about 2000.. as it turns out he
> had the same
> issue. If you have lower ball joints you bought between
> 1999-2004 and the do
> not have grease nipples on them peel the boots back and
> ensure they have
> grease in there, this could cause a serious accident if
> they seize on you.
>
> Hope this helps some people out there.
>
> --
> Regards
>
> Michael King
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From crabco at shaw.ca  Sat Oct 10 14:43:17 2009
From: crabco at shaw.ca (Tim Webster)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:43:17 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Leaf spring upper shackle bushing removal
Message-ID: <001301ca49ea$4bdcfff0$e396ffd0$@ca>

Does anybody have suggestions on how to remove the upper shackle bushing for
the leaf spring? This is the one that passes through the frame. On my car
the nut is on the outer end and has been removed. I have the bolt turning
but it seems that the 40 year old rubber bushing has it in a death grip as
far as extraction is concerned.

 

Liberal amounts of heat, oil and brute force have been to no avail.

Any suggestions?

 

Thank you,

 

Tim

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sat Oct 10 14:45:24 2009
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:45:24 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] WARNING - ball joints
References: <d86d088a0910091526m2453819bh736cd2a68400a3f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157F79A0D@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <3439A92A90604FC689D4B8C7A704161E@student2>

I'm thankful to the parts vendors because without then there might not be 
such things as ball joints etc.. That said, I bought both upper and lower 
ball joints from the same vendor (2003-2004).  Within about 6 months the 
lower joint boots were completely destroyed as the car sat on jackstands. 
They cracked in a score of places and just tore themselves open.  I opted 
not to contact the vendor because my feeling was even if they were replaced 
free (with the same item), - what was the point.

 After working hard on my Tiger "basket case" for a number of years that was 
the last straw.   It is hard to get motivated when new replace parts crumble 
before your eyes. It's kind of like when you have a  l-o-n-g  engine rebuild 
and that last head bolt snaps just before you anticipated it going into the 
car.  Sadly my Tiger has now sat untouched for 5 years.

For the record the upper ball joint boots are still fine (go figure) and the 
lowers did have a zerk fitting for the grease.

Tom 

From denismercier at telvic.net  Sat Oct 10 16:15:43 2009
From: denismercier at telvic.net (denis mercier)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:15:43 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] =?iso-8859-1?q?Envoi_d=27un_message=A0=3A_ball_joints_00?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?1?=
Message-ID: <8C004450951F4570BD72B001F792CD32@D7F0WHF1>

Hi Guys !
When il restored my Tiger, and before install new ball joints and tie rods, il
drill a hole and tap them to install grease zerk, easy to do and trouble
free.......Look the picture.
           Denis.
           B382000926LRXFE

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ball joints 001.jpg]

From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Sat Oct 10 16:40:42 2009
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:40:42 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Leaf spring upper shackle bushing removal
In-Reply-To: <001301ca49ea$4bdcfff0$e396ffd0$@ca>
References: <001301ca49ea$4bdcfff0$e396ffd0$@ca>
Message-ID: <AFF160E6D40049E19969D9FE82998DF7@jerry>

Tim,

Well, I can tell you how I have been able to remove the front spring bolt on
early Mustangs.  Hopefully, it will give you some ideas. Here also we had
the same problems - heating twisting, banging etc. didn't help at all.

I made a "puller" by carefully welding a 1/2 inch nut to the head of the
stuck bolt.  I then screwed in a piece of 1/2 inch allthread about 10 inches
long into the welded nut (in fact, it's better to have the threaded rod
screwed into the nut when welding to act as a heat sink when welding the
nut).  You will then need to find a short piece of tubing (a little longer
than the bolt). I used a piece of exhaust pipe.  On the Tiger, the rubber
plug in the trunk has to be removed.  I'm not sure what the ID is, but
whatever size you need to slide into the hole and allow the bolt to pull
trough would be fine.  Add a big, thick (or 2 or 3 thinner ones) washer on
the end of the tube and use a nut on the end (a union nut works fine as it
has far more threads than a standard nut). I had to use a fair amount of
lubrication on the nut as the amount of friction was amazing.  In fact, I've
had some bolts that were so tight and rusted that the weld broke several
times before it held and pulled the bolt out (could have been my poor
welding job, of course). I used 1/2-13, a better choice might be 1/2-20.  It
may be a little harder to find the fine allthread rod and unions, though
(bolt supply). I'm not sure if the Tiger has a 1/2 inch bolt or not, but I
would use the size nut and allthread that the stuck bolt is.  The same
principle would apply.

Some might ask why not weld the allthread to the head of the bolt. That
would work of course. It's just that I can keep using the allthread rod
again and again.  Another thing that would be fine is to weld a 1/2 inch
threaded union to the head.  That way, you would have a bigger chunk of
metal to weld to; I think I'll do that next time.  Also, try to weld all
around the head and keep it all in a straight line.  You said the bolt will
turn, so that won't be a problem. Keep a spray bottle of water handy in case
the rubber catches on fire from the welding.

Well, this has worked very well for me.  I'm sure there are other ideas
around.   

Good luck.

Jerry Christopherson
9473187
    

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Tim Webster
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 3:43 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Leaf spring upper shackle bushing removal

Does anybody have suggestions on how to remove the upper shackle bushing for
the leaf spring? This is the one that passes through the frame. On my car
the nut is on the outer end and has been removed. I have the bolt turning
but it seems that the 40 year old rubber bushing has it in a death grip as
far as extraction is concerned.

 

Liberal amounts of heat, oil and brute force have been to no avail.

Any suggestions?

 

Thank you,

 

Tim
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Sat Oct 10 16:54:51 2009
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:54:51 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] WARNING - ball joints
References: <411146.14184.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157F79A0E@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

Hi Tony,
I did that part of the assembly back in 2002 or so... I forget whether the
zerk fitting was included with the balljoint or not, but I do remember that
they were not installed in the box.

To Denis,
Thanks for the picture, and it's a good idea to put the zerk fittings into the
tie rod ends as well as the upper and lower balljoints - but for anyone doing
so, make sure to clean up the drill cuttings and burrs before installing the
zerk fitting, otherwise you'll just fill the tie rod with abrasive crap.

Cheers
Theo


-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Somebody [mailto:achd73 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Sat 10/10/2009 10:57 AM
To: michael king; Tiger Talk List Tiger; Smit, Theo
Subject: Re: [Tigers] WARNING - ball joints

Theo- Out of curiosity and to make it clear to anyone not understanding----
the ball joint I'm seeing in my mind has a thin piece or metal that acts as a
sealing cover and a place to install a grease zerk. On your B.Joints the hole
was drilled but since the metal is thin, you didn't have to tap the hole, just
use the correct diameter zerk...?
Ive had suspension parts come with the hole and no zerk but they where
floating loosely in the carton or plastic bag. Going back in time things where
more apt to have went down a better assembly line but as things "improved" and
moved to China and Mexico, the zerks could have been left out intentionally or
with no one caring if they where added or not- maybe the stock room was out
that day. THAT thought bears no reflection on where Theo purchased his parts.
TtT
--- On Sat, 10/10/09, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:

From thorlp at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 10 17:54:20 2009
From: thorlp at hotmail.com (stan gorski)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:54:20 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] WARNING - ball joints
In-Reply-To: <3439A92A90604FC689D4B8C7A704161E@student2>
References: <d86d088a0910091526m2453819bh736cd2a68400a3f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157F79A0D@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> 
Message-ID: <SNT127-W587A466E8D205470D4D652D2CA0@phx.gbl>

+1

> From: atwittsend at verizon.net
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 13:45:24 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] WARNING - ball joints
>
> I'm thankful to the parts vendors because without then there might not be
> such things as ball joints etc.. That said, I bought both upper and lower
> ball joints from the same vendor (2003-2004).  Within about 6 months the
> lower joint boots were completely destroyed as the car sat on jackstands.
> They cracked in a score of places and just tore themselves open.  I opted
> not to contact the vendor because my feeling was even if they were replaced
> free (with the same item), - what was the point.
>
>  After working hard on my Tiger "basket case" for a number of years that was
> the last straw.   It is hard to get motivated when new replace parts crumble
> before your eyes. It's kind of like when you have a  l-o-n-g  engine rebuild
> and that last head bolt snaps just before you anticipated it going into the
> car.  Sadly my Tiger has now sat untouched for 5 years.
>
> For the record the upper ball joint boots are still fine (go figure) and the
> lowers did have a zerk fitting for the grease.
>
> Tom
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From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Sat Oct 10 21:48:56 2009
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (Steve Ralsten)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:48:56 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] CAT trip to the Tom Malloy collection
Message-ID: <A1A6D3D05ECD4CD9A30E07DA84D1BB8C@DELL4600>

Some of my pics (with phone) can be found at the CAT forum. I'm sure better 
ones will surface soon.

Steve

http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?p=484#post484 

From srwick at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 11 07:33:29 2009
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:33:29 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Race Alpine
Message-ID: <COL122-DS11AE3352073D6DF61DD582D8C90@phx.gbl>

This isn't mine, and I've never seen it, but thought I'd post this in case
someone was looking for something like this.

http://spokane.craigslist.org/cto/1415778252.html<http://spokane.craigslist.o
rg/cto/1415778252.html>

Steve

From crabco at shaw.ca  Sun Oct 11 13:34:51 2009
From: crabco at shaw.ca (Tim Webster)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:34:51 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Leaf spring upper shackle bushing removal
In-Reply-To: <AFF160E6D40049E19969D9FE82998DF7@jerry>
References: <001301ca49ea$4bdcfff0$e396ffd0$@ca>
	<AFF160E6D40049E19969D9FE82998DF7@jerry>
Message-ID: <000f01ca4aa9$e6fa6b20$b4ef4160$@ca>

Hi Jerry,

Thanks for this simple yet clever solution to the problem at hand. I am now
on the hunt for the finely threaded allthread. I think part of my problem
may be that the shackle appears to be slightly bent. As I try to lever the
bolt the inner shackle eye is hanging up on it thus allowing it only go so
far. We may have to heat and bend this straight first.

Thanks also to TtT who has offered a system using dogs and wedges.

Regards,

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry & Maureen (Mo) [mailto:JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net] 
Sent: October-10-09 3:41 PM
To: 'Tim Webster'; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Leaf spring upper shackle bushing removal

Tim,

Well, I can tell you how I have been able to remove the front spring bolt on
early Mustangs.  Hopefully, it will give you some ideas. Here also we had
the same problems - heating twisting, banging etc. didn't help at all.

I made a "puller" by carefully welding a 1/2 inch nut to the head of the
stuck bolt.  I then screwed in a piece of 1/2 inch allthread about 10 inches
long into the welded nut (in fact, it's better to have the threaded rod
screwed into the nut when welding to act as a heat sink when welding the
nut).  You will then need to find a short piece of tubing (a little longer
than the bolt). I used a piece of exhaust pipe.  On the Tiger, the rubber
plug in the trunk has to be removed.  I'm not sure what the ID is, but
whatever size you need to slide into the hole and allow the bolt to pull
trough would be fine.  Add a big, thick (or 2 or 3 thinner ones) washer on
the end of the tube and use a nut on the end (a union nut works fine as it
has far more threads than a standard nut). I had to use a fair amount of
lubrication on the nut as the amount of friction was amazing.  In fact, I've
had some bolts that were so tight and rusted that the weld broke several
times before it held and pulled the bolt out (could have been my poor
welding job, of course). I used 1/2-13, a better choice might be 1/2-20.  It
may be a little harder to find the fine allthread rod and unions, though
(bolt supply). I'm not sure if the Tiger has a 1/2 inch bolt or not, but I
would use the size nut and allthread that the stuck bolt is.  The same
principle would apply.

Some might ask why not weld the allthread to the head of the bolt. That
would work of course. It's just that I can keep using the allthread rod
again and again.  Another thing that would be fine is to weld a 1/2 inch
threaded union to the head.  That way, you would have a bigger chunk of
metal to weld to; I think I'll do that next time.  Also, try to weld all
around the head and keep it all in a straight line.  You said the bolt will
turn, so that won't be a problem. Keep a spray bottle of water handy in case
the rubber catches on fire from the welding.

Well, this has worked very well for me.  I'm sure there are other ideas
around.   

Good luck.

Jerry Christopherson
9473187
    

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Tim Webster
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 3:43 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Leaf spring upper shackle bushing removal

Does anybody have suggestions on how to remove the upper shackle bushing for
the leaf spring? This is the one that passes through the frame. On my car
the nut is on the outer end and has been removed. I have the bolt turning
but it seems that the 40 year old rubber bushing has it in a death grip as
far as extraction is concerned.

 

Liberal amounts of heat, oil and brute force have been to no avail.

Any suggestions?

 

Thank you,

 

Tim
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 15:53:14 2009
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:53:14 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] U-Bolts
Message-ID: <4ad253cd.c6c1f10a.17d7.175a@mx.google.com>

Hey,

 

Any advice on where I can find a set of u-bolts for my rear axle?  I've been
all over town and can't find anything that fits.  It looks like the spacing
is 2 5/8" and I can only find that in a long square-shaped u-bolt instead of
the rounded style.   

 

Thanks,

Joe Brown

Arlington, TX

B382000217

From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Sun Oct 11 17:08:44 2009
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:08:44 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] U-Bolts
In-Reply-To: <4ad253cd.c6c1f10a.17d7.175a@mx.google.com>
References: <4ad253cd.c6c1f10a.17d7.175a@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <65A6D5A7821F4D53AABB99764379ADF8@BucksLaptop>

Doesn't CAT sell them?

Buck Trippel

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Brown" <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 2:53 PM
Subject: [Tigers] U-Bolts


> Hey,
>
>
>
> Any advice on where I can find a set of u-bolts for my rear axle?  I've 
> been
> all over town and can't find anything that fits.  It looks like the 
> spacing
> is 2 5/8" and I can only find that in a long square-shaped u-bolt instead 
> of
> the rounded style.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe Brown
>
> Arlington, TX
>
> B382000217
> _______________________________________________

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Oct 11 17:43:08 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:43:08 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] U-Bolts
In-Reply-To: <4ad253cd.c6c1f10a.17d7.175a@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <465365C0B5B94661AF9068F867C58D4D@ronpc1>

Joe
	AMK Products list some U bolts; not sure if they would be correct
for a Tiger also pricy at $12 each.
www.amkproducts.com

I would think any shop that works on trucks would have them or know where
you can get them.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Joe Brown
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 5:53 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] U-Bolts


Hey,



Any advice on where I can find a set of u-bolts for my rear axle?  I've been
all over town and can't find anything that fits.  It looks like the spacing
is 2 5/8" and I can only find that in a long square-shaped u-bolt instead of
the rounded style.



Thanks,

Joe Brown

Arlington, TX

B382000217
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From rande at thecia.net  Sun Oct 11 17:53:18 2009
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:53:18 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] u bolts
Message-ID: <4ad26fee.60fe.0@thecia.net>

Buck's is a good suggestion. The CAT webpage is   www.catmbr.org
and click the 'parts' link. It's a member only benny of belonging to CAT.

The other local option for you in Dallas is to find a car or truck suspension
specialist and bring a sample bolt for a match. All four are alike, according
to the Rootes catalog, although just a part number is listed, no dimensions
are offered.

The CAT listing reads ' Ubolts for traction bars', hopefully these are for the
position on the spring that you're looking for.

RB
B382000048

From lon at sedona.net  Sun Oct 11 17:53:11 2009
From: lon at sedona.net (Lon)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:53:11 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Lotsa Stuff
Message-ID: <000c01ca4acd$fdd92ce0$f98b86a0$@net>

I'll apologize up front if this is not a correct forum for getting rid of
"stuff." 

 

Had two Tigers, all gone now for the last eight years or so and I was
cleaning out the garage today.  I have trim, clips and mounts (never used),
a rebuilt 8k tach (never used after MoMa rebuild in 1999), "Shelby" lettered
caps for wheel inserts, taillight chrome (never used),etc.  Want it to go as
a lot,  drop me a line directly for a short list, then make me a reasonable
offer + $20 for shipping (if less I'll refund, if over I'll eat it).  E-mail
a list, and if you want photos of anything, give me a day or two to put it
together.

 

lon at sedona.net

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 18:09:21 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:09:21 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] WARNING - ball joints
In-Reply-To: <SNT127-W587A466E8D205470D4D652D2CA0@phx.gbl>
References: <d86d088a0910091526m2453819bh736cd2a68400a3f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157F79A0D@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
	<3439A92A90604FC689D4B8C7A704161E@student2>
	<SNT127-W587A466E8D205470D4D652D2CA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0910111709p24b371eclfe5d470a37ec232e@mail.gmail.com>

Ok,

Some pics of my ball joints from last year that were bad. Also of note, the
boots had crumbled, as had the boots on my friends car, we assume they used
a rubber that was not suitable to withstand the oil/grease.

pics:

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2311764600054462410uUwHdc
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2375790200054462410DskJfN
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2748457130054462410vfXBRi


-- 
Regards

Michael King

From kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 18:25:43 2009
From: kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com (kevin beck)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:25:43 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] tiger parts
Message-ID: <22507f140910111725i2c9663feg2436f98250a2b2fd@mail.gmail.com>

I see some parts are for sale on the list. On the list are some shelby wheel
inserts, if they are for 13 inch mini lites I would buy them from whoever if
anyboby buys these parts. I lost one and wouldn't mind some spares.  Thanks
Kevin

From marcsmall at comcast.net  Sun Oct 11 18:34:47 2009
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:34:47 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] WARNING - ball joints
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a0910111709p24b371eclfe5d470a37ec232e@mail.gmail.co
  m>
References: <d86d088a0910091526m2453819bh736cd2a68400a3f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157F79A0D@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
	<3439A92A90604FC689D4B8C7A704161E@student2>
	<SNT127-W587A466E8D205470D4D652D2CA0@phx.gbl>
	<d86d088a0910111709p24b371eclfe5d470a37ec232e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091012004229.4182818766F@autox.team.net>

I am a bit at a loss on this discussion of ball
joints.  Most tie-rod ends and ball joints made
since 1970 or so have lacked Zerk fittings or
provisions for them.  In 1980, I bought ball
joints for my Alpine V.  I had to have Zerk
fittings put into them.  I checked my current
car, a 1984 Audi 4000S, and my wife's Hyundai,
and neither have any Zerk fittings on any joint.

These are standard units.  What is the problem?

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!

From PhastPhill at aol.com  Sun Oct 11 19:08:48 2009
From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:08:48 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] U-Bolts
Message-ID: <cee.65eb93d6.3803dba0@aol.com>

Any good spring shop can make what you need. Show them the size and length  
and they will make it . if they can't they are not a real pro  shop

From CoolVT at aol.com  Sun Oct 11 20:43:21 2009
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:43:21 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] WARNING - ball joints
Message-ID: <c6f.3e79ac3c.3803f1c9@aol.com>

we assume they used
a rubber that was not suitable to withstand  the oil/grease.
 
What grease!

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 21:07:59 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:07:59 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] WARNING - ball joints
In-Reply-To: <c6f.3e79ac3c.3803f1c9@aol.com>
References: <c6f.3e79ac3c.3803f1c9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0910112007g14b9237bg400f35a489cb20@mail.gmail.com>

True, no grease ever inside the joints.. maybe just dirt/grit from the
road.. whatever.. as someone else posted, they had the boots crack while in
the process of resto... im just telling everyone. check.. only takes a
moment.. and if your steering is getting heavier.. well might be the
problem.


-- 
Regards

Michael King

From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Oct 12 05:49:10 2009
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:49:10 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] WARNING - ball joints
Message-ID: <cf1.608d0034.380471b6@aol.com>

Michael,
This is definitely information worth having.  Who  knows where these parts 
are being made. To me the distributors have some  responsibility to check 
what they are selling or at least to warm buyers that  they need to be 
greased. Apparently the rubber was "real" rubber.  Not sure  why anyone would use 
that any more.  The modern plastics should be cheaper  and would seemingly 
last longer.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 10/11/2009 11:35:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
michael.s.king at gmail.com writes:

True, no  grease ever inside the joints.. maybe just dirt/grit from the
road..  whatever.. as someone else posted, they had the boots crack while in
the  process of resto... im just telling everyone. check.. only takes a
moment..  and if your steering is getting heavier.. well might be  the
problem.


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From rcsphx1 at cox.net  Mon Oct 12 07:06:54 2009
From: rcsphx1 at cox.net (Richard)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:06:54 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Switch
Message-ID: <C636908A6D8F4717A2BB0BB0B472C7B0@D4TDG641>

I just noticed thar my MKII now required very heavy pressure on the pedal to
turn on the brake lights.  I have silicone fluid in the system now, would
changing back to GTLMA, and or, replacing the brake light switch solve the
problem.  Or is Ron Fraser's post to change to a mechanical switch the way to
go?

Thanks Rich

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Oct 12 07:23:04 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:23:04 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] WARNING - ball joints
In-Reply-To: <cf1.608d0034.380471b6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <B31BF3FB75604C76AB08B51F31325E56@ronpc1>

To All
	I know Rick @ Sunbeam Specialties and Tiger Tom were wrestling with
manufacturing problems with the ball joints back in the mid 1990's.   I
believe Rick and Tom were both running low on parts and they also had a
letter from original manufacturer, most likely the legal team, stating that
the lower ball joint was never designed for use on the Tiger, only the
lighter Alpine.

	Generally all car parts are over designed to withstand abuse, called
safety factor, and therefore there should be no real reason why these parts
would not be safe to use on a Tiger.  I believe Rick and Tom addressed all
these concerns and resolve them with Rick's current supplier.

	If you are looking at parts with cracked boots; it is very possible
you have some NOS parts or other that are beyond their self life for the
boots; BEWARE.   If you have a part that does not have a grease fitting;
BEWARE, you should remove the boot and check for rust, grease and function.
Basically it come to this; INSPECT YOUR PARTS BEFORE INSTALLATION.

	There was a long stretch were manufactures were promoting the
"GREASED for LIFE", Maintenance Free, sealed parts that they had total
confidence.   I have replaced many of these on modern cars and I'm sure you
have too.   Lately I have not seen a ball joint or tie rod end that does not
have a grease fitting with the part.  I'm going to assume that the
manufactures have changed there Warranty to move maintenance responsibility
back to the car owner.

	Thanks to all for there input on this subject.  We are dealing with
cars that were designed 50 years ago or more, some of the parts we find
could be over 40 years old.  The word here is caution.  You are dealing with
safety issues.   Your safety, your family's safety and everyone's safety.
Use good judgment and be safe.

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 7:49 AM
To: michael.s.king at gmail.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] WARNING - ball joints


Michael,
This is definitely information worth having.  Who  knows where these parts
are being made. To me the distributors have some  responsibility to check
what they are selling or at least to warm buyers that  they need to be
greased. Apparently the rubber was "real" rubber.  Not sure  why anyone
would use
that any more.  The modern plastics should be cheaper  and would seemingly
last longer.
Mark

From Carmods at aol.com  Mon Oct 12 07:25:21 2009
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:25:21 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] U-Bolts
Message-ID: <c3e.59289ab1.38048841@aol.com>

Any  advice on where I can find a set of u-bolts for my rear  axle?


There are many "U" bolt suppliers on the web. Search "U" Bolt.
 
John Logan

From robin02 at mindspring.com  Mon Oct 12 07:43:35 2009
From: robin02 at mindspring.com (Robin Young)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:43:35 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Switch
In-Reply-To: <C636908A6D8F4717A2BB0BB0B472C7B0@D4TDG641>
References: <C636908A6D8F4717A2BB0BB0B472C7B0@D4TDG641>
Message-ID: <5CD0A2F6A802401B958993C51FD97130@RobinLaptop>

I just noticed thar my MKII now required very heavy pressure on the pedal to
turn on the brake lights.  I have silicone fluid in the system now, would
changing back to GTLMA, and or, replacing the brake light switch solve the
problem.  Or is Ron Fraser's post to change to a mechanical switch the way
to go?

Thanks Rich

Rich, 

I use DOT 5 also and have the problem of failing brake light switches.  I
just keep one on hand and change it out when needed.  No air is introduced
with the change and it takes about five minutes. SO far, I have used four
switches in five years since going to the Dot 5.  RObin

From Carmods at aol.com  Mon Oct 12 07:50:12 2009
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:50:12 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Switch
Message-ID: <d39.592decd9.38048e14@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/12/2009 9:36:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
rcsphx1 at cox.net writes:

would
changing back to GTLMA, and or, replacing the brake light  switch solve the
problem.  Or is Ron Fraser's post to change to a  mechanical switch the way 
to
go?



Rich,
Ron Fraser's post to change to a mechanical switch is the way  to go 
especially if you have cruise control.
 
John Logan
go?

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Oct 12 08:04:15 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:04:15 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Switch
In-Reply-To: <C636908A6D8F4717A2BB0BB0B472C7B0@D4TDG641>
Message-ID: <FA310B5AFECC454D903C04C1BDBFEEE2@ronpc1>

Rich
	For some reason the brake light switch does not like silicone fluid;
this problem of brake switch failure with silicone fluid has come up several
times here.   You would have to purge the system of silicone fluid and
change the brake switch to restore the system.

	I went to a mechanical switch mostly because I installed cruise
control.  The original brake switch did not react quickly enough for me with
cruise control.   I also looked at this as a safety issue and I wanted my
brake lights to come on anytime I touched the brake pedal.   I did not want
to be slowly rolling to a stop with light brake pedal and NO brake lights
which is possible with just the original brake switch.

	I currently have a 1991 Ford Escort brake switch in my Tiger; I'm
sure there are other switch that will work too.   You have to make a bracket
to hold the switch and I had to take the Escort switch apart to reduce it's
internal spring force which involved removing the heavier spring force of
the 2 springs inside the switch.   I also epoxyed a 1/2" diameter piece of
heavy plastic to the brake pedal to give the switch a pad to work against.
Wire the switch in parallel with the original switch.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 9:07 AM
To: Tiger List
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Switch


I just noticed thar my MKII now required very heavy pressure on the pedal to
turn on the brake lights.  I have silicone fluid in the system now, would
changing back to GTLMA, and or, replacing the brake light switch solve the
problem.  Or is Ron Fraser's post to change to a mechanical switch the way
to go?

Thanks Rich
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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 09:16:46 2009
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:16:46 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] u bolts
In-Reply-To: <4ad26fee.60fe.0@thecia.net>
References: <4ad26fee.60fe.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <39a841b0910120816y2b41593frea88d719c54cfde3@mail.gmail.com>

i got mine from general spring of kansas city.  good quality bolts and nice
long nuts.
you can order online:
http://www.generalspringkc.com

ORDER DETAILS:
Item: U bolts
Quantity: 4
Description: U bolts
Select Bend Type: Round
Select Inside Length: 2-1/2 inch
Select Rod Diameter: 7/16
Select Total U bolt measurement: 14
Price (each): $5.00
Item Total: $20.00

that was a couple of years ago.


On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:53 AM, rande <rande at thecia.net> wrote:

> Buck's is a good suggestion. The CAT webpage is   www.catmbr.org
> and click the 'parts' link. It's a member only benny of belonging to CAT.
>
> The other local option for you in Dallas is to find a car or truck
> suspension
> specialist and bring a sample bolt for a match. All four are alike,
> according
> to the Rootes catalog, although just a part number is listed, no dimensions
> are offered.
>
> The CAT listing reads ' Ubolts for traction bars', hopefully these are for
> the
> position on the spring that you're looking for.
>
> RB
> B382000048
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From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 12 10:09:14 2009
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:09:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] u bolts
In-Reply-To: <4ad26fee.60fe.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <36941.1094.qm@web111612.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I had mine made at a local spring shop.  They had made new U-bolts
when they re-arched by springs.  They had stock on hand.  Cut to size
thread the ends, and bend the U.  No big deal for them.

--- On Sun, 10/11/09, rande <rande at thecia.net> wrote:


From: rande <rande at thecia.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] u bolts
To: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 11:53 PM


Buck's is a good suggestion. The CAT webpage is   www.catmbr.org
and click the 'parts' link. It's a member only benny of belonging to CAT.

The other local option for you in Dallas is to find a car or truck suspension
specialist and bring a sample bolt for a match. All four are alike, according
to the Rootes catalog, although just a part number is listed, no dimensions
are offered.

The CAT listing reads ' Ubolts for traction bars', hopefully these are for
the
position on the spring that you're looking for.

RB
B382000048
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From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 12 10:15:09 2009
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:15:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] WARNING - ball joints
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a0910111709p24b371eclfe5d470a37ec232e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <302864.59381.qm@web111619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

For those not familiar with greasing ball joints and tie rods end.
Put only enough in until you see the rubber boot start to swell.
Don't fill it so much it bulges out. As soon as the the joint moves
it will blow out the rubber boot.  The boot keeps the grease in
AND dirt/water out.torn and split boots should be replaced.
 
Clean the nipple before attaching the grease gun in order to keep
pumping in dirt.
 
Dave

--- On Mon, 10/12/09, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:


From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] WARNING - ball joints
To:
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 12:09 AM


Ok,

Some pics of my ball joints from last year that were bad. Also of note, the
boots had crumbled, as had the boots on my friends car, we assume they used
a rubber that was not suitable to withstand the oil/grease.

pics:

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2311764600054462410uUwHdc
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2375790200054462410DskJfN
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2748457130054462410vfXBRi


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From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Mon Oct 12 10:47:38 2009
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:47:38 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Switch
In-Reply-To: <FA310B5AFECC454D903C04C1BDBFEEE2@ronpc1>
References: <C636908A6D8F4717A2BB0BB0B472C7B0@D4TDG641>
	<FA310B5AFECC454D903C04C1BDBFEEE2@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <6E35763F8D2A40899D9C57FB30A2CA88@jerry>

List,

I too had trouble with the stock brake light switch using dot 5 fluids. I
wired in (parallel) a switch that I bought at Pep Boys.  The number SLS-66
and there is one on E-Bay now (#270460642779) that you can see what it looks
like and even order if you like. Apparently it's a GM part as it fits
Corvetts,Buicks,Novas, etc. I just made a simple L bracket that I screwed to
the "box" that is just above the brake pedal arm, almost in line with the
rod that goes to the cylinder.  It's been in there for 9 years now without
any problems.
Wiring the switch in parallel means you don't have to do anything to the
original wiring, i.e. leaving the original switch and wiring in place as
original.

Jerry Christopherson
9473187 

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 9:04 AM
To: 'Richard'; 'Tiger List'
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Switch

Rich
	For some reason the brake light switch does not like silicone fluid;
this problem of brake switch failure with silicone fluid has come up several
times here.   You would have to purge the system of silicone fluid and
change the brake switch to restore the system.

	I went to a mechanical switch mostly because I installed cruise
control.  The original brake switch did not react quickly enough for me with
cruise control.   I also looked at this as a safety issue and I wanted my
brake lights to come on anytime I touched the brake pedal.   I did not want
to be slowly rolling to a stop with light brake pedal and NO brake lights
which is possible with just the original brake switch.

	I currently have a 1991 Ford Escort brake switch in my Tiger; I'm
sure there are other switch that will work too.   You have to make a bracket
to hold the switch and I had to take the Escort switch apart to reduce it's
internal spring force which involved removing the heavier spring force of
the 2 springs inside the switch.   I also epoxyed a 1/2" diameter piece of
heavy plastic to the brake pedal to give the switch a pad to work against.
Wire the switch in parallel with the original switch.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 9:07 AM
To: Tiger List
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Switch


I just noticed thar my MKII now required very heavy pressure on the pedal to
turn on the brake lights.  I have silicone fluid in the system now, would
changing back to GTLMA, and or, replacing the brake light switch solve the
problem.  Or is Ron Fraser's post to change to a mechanical switch the way
to go?

Thanks Rich
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From w_pierzga at msn.com  Mon Oct 12 12:34:20 2009
From: w_pierzga at msn.com (Wayne-MSN)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:34:20 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Switch
In-Reply-To: <C636908A6D8F4717A2BB0BB0B472C7B0@D4TDG641>
References: <C636908A6D8F4717A2BB0BB0B472C7B0@D4TDG641>
Message-ID: <COL121-DS22F6B99F5D23036E7BDBAB9FC80@phx.gbl>

Rich:

I experienced a similar problem on my MKII using silicon fluid. I replaced
the switch and the problem reoccurred. 

After some investigation I found that the switch was indeed working but it
would not pass sufficient current to light the brake lights: i.e. it was a
high-resistance switch. I surmise that the switch is affected by silicon
fluid. My solution was quite simple - I installed a relay that is triggered
by the brake light switch. The relay carries the current and the lights work
fine. I have been using this solution now for going on 6 years with perfect
reliability.

Cost of the solution: approx $5. Time to complete: approx 30 minutes. I
located the relay on the horn-hole cover plate I fitted to the car to
resolve overheating problems. 

Wayne

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard [mailto:rcsphx1 at cox.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 9:07 AM
To: Tiger List
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Switch

I just noticed thar my MKII now required very heavy pressure on the pedal to
turn on the brake lights.  I have silicone fluid in the system now, would
changing back to GTLMA, and or, replacing the brake light switch solve the
problem.  Or is Ron Fraser's post to change to a mechanical switch the way
to
go?

Thanks Rich

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 15:40:20 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:40:20 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Switch
In-Reply-To: <COL121-DS22F6B99F5D23036E7BDBAB9FC80@phx.gbl>
References: <C636908A6D8F4717A2BB0BB0B472C7B0@D4TDG641>
	<COL121-DS22F6B99F5D23036E7BDBAB9FC80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0910121440k7cd54fdfreb9c6719092f7dd5@mail.gmail.com>

I have had the failing switch issue as in heavy pressure to activate it, i
use silicone fluid and i believe this is the issue. I am going to go to a
pedal activated one for safety, I will keep the original one inline. I
figure the rear valence is worth the investment!
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 12 16:14:19 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:14:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Switch
In-Reply-To: <COL121-DS22F6B99F5D23036E7BDBAB9FC80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <503961.75679.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Wayne and All- Over the years Ive had a few brake light switches fail. The
first couple was before silicone brake fluid was common and I always used
Castrol Girling Lima. So its my thoughts the switches are normal Lucas type
parts and even if manufactured by another supplier, having Lucas smoke running
thru the switch has to help it to deterioate.After going to silicone Ive had
one switch go bad BUT Ive always worried that it would fail anytime. With that
in mind Ive always thought about installing a mechanical switch but with
Waynes discovery that their is enough current to close a relay, I think it
gives us another option. Some may prefer to go mechnical but I like the relay
idea. If Wayne would tell us more about the relay, like where it was purchased
and any other information, even draw it up for the clubs newsletters and TU,
it would be a positive for us all as Im sure we are going to run out of spares
in time.
Cheers, TtT
PS- Theo this would be a good place to add your thoughts on a particular relay
etc.

--- On Mon, 10/12/09, Wayne-MSN <w_pierzga at msn.com> wrote:

> From: Wayne-MSN <w_pierzga at msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Switch
> To: "'Richard'" <rcsphx1 at cox.net>, "'Tiger List'" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 1:34 PM
> Rich:
>
> I experienced a similar problem on my MKII using silicon
> fluid. I replaced
> the switch and the problem reoccurred.
>
> After some investigation I found that the switch was indeed
> working but it
> would not pass sufficient current to light the brake
> lights: i.e. it was a
> high-resistance switch. I surmise that the switch is
> affected by silicon
> fluid. My solution was quite simple - I installed a relay
> that is triggered
> by the brake light switch. The relay carries the current
> and the lights work
> fine. I have been using this solution now for going on 6
> years with perfect
> reliability.
>
> Cost of the solution: approx $5. Time to complete: approx
> 30 minutes. I
> located the relay on the horn-hole cover plate I fitted to
> the car to
> resolve overheating problems.
>
> Wayne
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard [mailto:rcsphx1 at cox.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 9:07 AM
> To: Tiger List
> Subject: [Tigers] Brake Switch
>
> I just noticed thar my MKII now required very heavy
> pressure on the pedal to
> turn on the brake lights.  I have silicone fluid in
> the system now, would
> changing back to GTLMA, and or, replacing the brake light
> switch solve the
> problem.  Or is Ron Fraser's post to change to a
> mechanical switch the way
> to
> go?
>
> Thanks Rich
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Oct 12 17:37:51 2009
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:37:51 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Switch
Message-ID: <c0b.67a1943d.380517cf@aol.com>

I'd be curious to know if anyone has dissected a  switch to know why they 
are failing.  Do they leak internally?  A ways  back someone said they were 
just clogging up and a soak in a solvent would  renew them.
Mark 

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 17:59:22 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:59:22 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Switch
In-Reply-To: <c0b.67a1943d.380517cf@aol.com>
References: <c0b.67a1943d.380517cf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0910121659j73556d1alf5aef9043942c55f@mail.gmail.com>

On the SAOCA forum someone has posted a rather nice solution for a pedal
switch mounted from the column:

http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo17/Orangealpine/IMG_0592.jpg


-- 
Regards

Michael King

From modtiger at comcast.net  Mon Oct 12 19:13:42 2009
From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:13:42 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Switch
In-Reply-To: <C636908A6D8F4717A2BB0BB0B472C7B0@D4TDG641>
References: <C636908A6D8F4717A2BB0BB0B472C7B0@D4TDG641>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20091012175310.03f063f0@comcast.net>

At 06:06 AM 10/12/2009, you wrote:
>I just noticed thar my MKII now required very heavy pressure on the pedal to
>turn on the brake lights.  I have silicone fluid in the system now, would
>changing back to GTLMA, and or, replacing the brake light switch solve the
>problem.  Or is Ron Fraser's post to change to a mechanical switch the way to
>go?
>
>Thanks Rich

I have a kit developed for the mechanical switch to replace or 
parallel the OEM switch.  It uses a common automotive switch 
activated by the pedal shank and is installed with two screws to the 
cowl box behind the pedal.  Very unobtrusive, with a laser cut 
bracket and common switch.  Two short leads to insert into the OEM 
wiring.  I haven't had time to put this on my web site yet, but I 
have photographic instructions.  If you're interested, drop me an 
e-mail and I will send the pic's.  The list typically clips these 
attachments but I'll try imbedding one shot to see if it goes thru.

[]


Note: this is the prototype and I've selected a slightly different 
switch for the kit.

Tom Hall
ModTiger Engineering LLC
www.tigerengineering.net

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Brake Sw installed.jpg]

From spook01 at comcast.net  Mon Oct 12 19:13:53 2009
From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:13:53 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Switch
References: <C636908A6D8F4717A2BB0BB0B472C7B0@D4TDG641><FA310B5AFECC454D903C04C1BDBFEEE2@ronpc1>
	<6E35763F8D2A40899D9C57FB30A2CA88@jerry>
Message-ID: <B8C88062771246B2AF79CDCC3466A815@yourpd3mh0abgs>

i had a switch fail years ago when i changed to silicone fluid. the switch 
was the old one i had run for years. i used a new switch from moss, i think 
it was from a mg midget, and the problem has not re occured.
Best,
Ray

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry & Maureen (Mo)" <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net>
To: <rfraser at bluefrog.com>; "'Richard'" <rcsphx1 at cox.net>; "'TigerList'" 
<tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Switch


> List,
>
> I too had trouble with the stock brake light switch using dot 5 fluids. I
> wired in (parallel) a switch that I bought at Pep Boys.  The number SLS-66
> and there is one on E-Bay now (#270460642779) that you can see what it 
> looks
> like and even order if you like. Apparently it's a GM part as it fits
> Corvetts,Buicks,Novas, etc. I just made a simple L bracket that I screwed 
> to
> the "box" that is just above the brake pedal arm, almost in line with the
> rod that goes to the cylinder.  It's been in there for 9 years now without
> any problems.
> Wiring the switch in parallel means you don't have to do anything to the
> original wiring, i.e. leaving the original switch and wiring in place as
> original.
>
> Jerry Christopherson
> 9473187
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 9:04 AM
> To: 'Richard'; 'Tiger List'
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Switch
>
> Rich
> For some reason the brake light switch does not like silicone fluid;
> this problem of brake switch failure with silicone fluid has come up 
> several
> times here.   You would have to purge the system of silicone fluid and
> change the brake switch to restore the system.
>
> I went to a mechanical switch mostly because I installed cruise
> control.  The original brake switch did not react quickly enough for me 
> with
> cruise control.   I also looked at this as a safety issue and I wanted my
> brake lights to come on anytime I touched the brake pedal.   I did not 
> want
> to be slowly rolling to a stop with light brake pedal and NO brake lights
> which is possible with just the original brake switch.
>
> I currently have a 1991 Ford Escort brake switch in my Tiger; I'm
> sure there are other switch that will work too.   You have to make a 
> bracket
> to hold the switch and I had to take the Escort switch apart to reduce 
> it's
> internal spring force which involved removing the heavier spring force of
> the 2 springs inside the switch.   I also epoxyed a 1/2" diameter piece of
> heavy plastic to the brake pedal to give the switch a pad to work against.
> Wire the switch in parallel with the original switch.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Richard
> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 9:07 AM
> To: Tiger List
> Subject: [Tigers] Brake Switch
>
>
> I just noticed thar my MKII now required very heavy pressure on the pedal 
> to
> turn on the brake lights.  I have silicone fluid in the system now, would
> changing back to GTLMA, and or, replacing the brake light switch solve the
> problem.  Or is Ron Fraser's post to change to a mechanical switch the way
> to go?
>
> Thanks Rich
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Oct 12 19:13:20 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:13:20 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Switch
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a0910121659j73556d1alf5aef9043942c55f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <407FDF55054C4F39B4DD20FDECA6818B@ronpc1>

Michael
	Excellent solution.
It is hard to tell from this picture but I would also recommend a pad on the
switch or on the pedal for a positive contact area for the switch.  I used a
heavy plastic 1/2" disc, lexan I believe, and epoxy on the pedal to give the
switch a good contact patch.

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of michael king
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 7:59 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Switch


On the SAOCA forum someone has posted a rather nice solution for a pedal
switch mounted from the column:

http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo17/Orangealpine/IMG_0592.jpg


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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 19:20:25 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:20:25 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Switch
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a0910121659j73556d1alf5aef9043942c55f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c0b.67a1943d.380517cf@aol.com>
	<d86d088a0910121659j73556d1alf5aef9043942c55f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0910121820k23395253wc0c348930425fb46@mail.gmail.com>

> If anoyone is interested it seems Bill will be selling some of these switch
> kits for $26:


http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo17/Orangealpine/IMG_0593.jpg
http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo17/Orangealpine/IMG_0592.jpg

please find the info here:

http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showthread.php?p=81849#post81849

Anyone that needs a kit, send me $26 (cash, check or M.O.) and a shipping
address, I'll send a kit by priority mail. Can't get much simpler than that.
Bill Blue
2703 South S. R. 1
Connersville, IN 47331

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 23:19:44 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:19:44 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] LAT manifolds
Message-ID: <d86d088a0910122219t5d9a0f46i7830b53ee01d26e7@mail.gmail.com>

I have seen 2 types of manifold with "TIGER" on them, both match 2 different
types of "COBRA" and "SHELBY" manifolds, interms of design lettering and
where its positioned. i know that they were likely from the same mfg..  How
many types of manifold were there? Was one based on a low rise, one on a
medium-high rise design? was there a later or earlier version.

One has "TIGER" on the fron inlet runner and seems to have 4 individual
ports for the carb, the other has "TIGER" on a small ledge next to the front
inlet runner and 2 large ports for the carb.. any info?

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From walmenke at bigpond.net.au  Tue Oct 13 05:09:14 2009
From: walmenke at bigpond.net.au (Wally Menke)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:09:14 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] WARNING - ball joints
In-Reply-To: <B31BF3FB75604C76AB08B51F31325E56@ronpc1>
References: <cf1.608d0034.380471b6@aol.com>
	<B31BF3FB75604C76AB08B51F31325E56@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <001c01ca4bf5$997a99e0$cc6fcda0$@net.au>

Hi Ron and all

I'm the friend that Michael was referring to that recently had this issue.
Checking back I purchased these ball joints new in 1997. The car has only
been on the road for 21/2 years and covered about 5000 miles maximum.

I must admit that I wrongly assumed that they had been greased during
manufacture. In this time the rubber just disintegrated letting water and
crud in making it worse. I still had the original ball joints that came off
the car which were in excellent shape. So fitted these back on with a new
set of boots.

Amazing how easy the car turns now.

Cheers
Wally Menke



To All
	I know Rick @ Sunbeam Specialties and Tiger Tom were wrestling with
manufacturing problems with the ball joints back in the mid 1990's

	If you are looking at parts with cracked boots; it is very possible
you have some NOS parts or other that are beyond their self life for the
boots; BEWARE.   

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Oct 13 06:44:55 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:44:55 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] LAT manifolds
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a0910122219t5d9a0f46i7830b53ee01d26e7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01EB38590CCE43C1B253897A7836E24D@ronpc1>

Michael
	The information I have shows:

LAT 1 is an Edelbrock F4B Hi-rise manifold

LAT 38 is a competition Hi-rise manifold

I have no details about them.

I do know of several people who were welding TIGER letters onto intake
manifolds to complete the period look so yes you do need to be careful when
purchasing said TIGER intake manifold.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of michael king
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 1:20 AM
To: Tiger Talk List Tiger
Subject: [Tigers] LAT manifolds


I have seen 2 types of manifold with "TIGER" on them, both match 2 different
types of "COBRA" and "SHELBY" manifolds, interms of design lettering and
where its positioned. i know that they were likely from the same mfg..  How
many types of manifold were there? Was one based on a low rise, one on a
medium-high rise design? was there a later or earlier version.

One has "TIGER" on the fron inlet runner and seems to have 4 individual
ports for the carb, the other has "TIGER" on a small ledge next to the front
inlet runner and 2 large ports for the carb.. any info?

--
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From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Tue Oct 13 09:51:33 2009
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:51:33 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] LAT manifolds
In-Reply-To: <01EB38590CCE43C1B253897A7836E24D@ronpc1>
References: <d86d088a0910122219t5d9a0f46i7830b53ee01d26e7@mail.gmail.com>
	<01EB38590CCE43C1B253897A7836E24D@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <4656868740064150A358A9560B899F9A@jerry>

Michael,

LAT 3 is also a Tiger scripted manifold C4SA9421 (pg 60 BON).  Referred to
as a lo-rise manifold.  I have one of these and have been dragging my feet
to put it on E-Bay. But someday it'll show up. ;-).

Jerry Christopherson
9473187 

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:45 AM
To: 'michael king'; 'Tiger Talk ListTiger'
Subject: Re: [Tigers] LAT manifolds

Michael
	The information I have shows:

LAT 1 is an Edelbrock F4B Hi-rise manifold

LAT 38 is a competition Hi-rise manifold

I have no details about them.

I do know of several people who were welding TIGER letters onto intake
manifolds to complete the period look so yes you do need to be careful when
purchasing said TIGER intake manifold.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of michael king
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 1:20 AM
To: Tiger Talk List Tiger
Subject: [Tigers] LAT manifolds


I have seen 2 types of manifold with "TIGER" on them, both match 2 different
types of "COBRA" and "SHELBY" manifolds, interms of design lettering and
where its positioned. i know that they were likely from the same mfg..  How
many types of manifold were there? Was one based on a low rise, one on a
medium-high rise design? was there a later or earlier version.

One has "TIGER" on the fron inlet runner and seems to have 4 individual
ports for the carb, the other has "TIGER" on a small ledge next to the front
inlet runner and 2 large ports for the carb.. any info?

--
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From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 13 09:58:15 2009
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:58:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] LAT manifolds
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a0910122219t5d9a0f46i7830b53ee01d26e7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <832116.54130.qm@web111610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I believe 'Performance Tuning the Tiger' shows the different manifolds.
Seems the low rise were cheap Korean made and didn't work.  The
High rise woked fine and were made by Eldebrock and were F4B's.


--- On Tue, 10/13/09, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:


From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Subject: [Tigers] LAT manifolds
To: "Tiger Talk List Tiger" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 5:19 AM


I have seen 2 types of manifold with "TIGER" on them, both match 2 different
types of "COBRA" and "SHELBY" manifolds, interms of design lettering and
where its positioned. i know that they were likely from the same mfg..  How
many types of manifold were there? Was one based on a low rise, one on a
medium-high rise design? was there a later or earlier version.

One has "TIGER" on the fron inlet runner and seems to have 4 individual
ports for the carb, the other has "TIGER" on a small ledge next to the front
inlet runner and 2 large ports for the carb.. any info?

--
Regards

Michael King
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Oct 13 10:52:42 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:52:42 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] LAT manifolds
In-Reply-To: <4656868740064150A358A9560B899F9A@jerry>
Message-ID: <4C37EDBDB883420B8D60C640BD88EFCD@ronpc1>

C4SA-9421 I believe SA denotes a Shelby American part; C4 is 1964.

TBON describes it as a re-lettered low rise COBRA manifold

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry & Maureen (Mo) [mailto:JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:52 AM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; 'michael king'; 'Tiger Talk ListTiger'
Subject: RE: [Tigers] LAT manifolds


Michael,

LAT 3 is also a Tiger scripted manifold C4SA9421 (pg 60 BON).  Referred to
as a lo-rise manifold.  I have one of these and have been dragging my feet
to put it on E-Bay. But someday it'll show up. ;-).

Jerry Christopherson
9473187 

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Tue Oct 13 11:01:12 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:01:12 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] LAT manifolds
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a0910122219t5d9a0f46i7830b53ee01d26e7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d86d088a0910122219t5d9a0f46i7830b53ee01d26e7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AD4B258.50207@SoCal.rr.com>

Michael, and Tigers,

There has always been much heat, and little illumination on "Authentic" 
LAT-1 F4B.

There is a good article, with pictures of versions of a manifold, and 
the one that is the only true LAT-1 F4B.

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_service/pp-lat1a.asp

There is other coverage on the LAT pages, as well, from The original LAT 
catalog, from "International Automobile Inc." shows the Shelby/Benevides 
design, that has been "touched up" with the "Edelbrock" signature logo 
and the "F4B".  Appears to be the lo-rise, as well, for illustration 
purposes.  The released version was the hi-rise.

NON were lettered "TIGER".

Ask "the SEARCH" magnifying glass to locate any key words you may want 
to read about.

Steve

___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



michael king wrote:
> I have seen 2 types of manifold with "TIGER" on them, both match 2 different
> types of "COBRA" and "SHELBY" manifolds, interms of design lettering and
> where its positioned. i know that they were likely from the same mfg..  How
> many types of manifold were there? Was one based on a low rise, one on a
> medium-high rise design? was there a later or earlier version.
>
> One has "TIGER" on the fron inlet runner and seems to have 4 individual
> ports for the carb, the other has "TIGER" on a small ledge next to the front
> inlet runner and 2 large ports for the carb.. any info?

From wwwdg at webtv.net  Tue Oct 13 12:15:48 2009
From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:15:48 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] LAT manifolds
In-Reply-To: michael king <michael.s.king@gmail.com>'s message of Tue,
	13 Oct 2009 16:19:44 +1100
Message-ID: <BAY0-DAV-01888E84EE3B3D1E34C59B2ADC70@phx.gbl>

There are several "Tiger" intakes. All are the same as the Shelby Cobra
intakes with the name and part number changed for the Tiger. The
first is the low rise with a 1964 part number. The early variation had a
large hole at the rear for a "road draft tube", later manifolds (most)
didn't have this hole. Next was the rare Tiger high rise with a 1965
part number (S1TS 9423-A (S for Shelby, T for Tiger, 1 for 1965). There
was no "Tiger" lettered intake for 1966 to match the Cobra counterpart.
They went to the Edelbrock high rise. The early Edelbrock high rise for
all Ford products had 4 small holes for the carburetor and a small water
temp. sender hole. I believe this is the manifold which was used for the
tiger with the temp sender hole enlarged for the Tiger. Edelbrock
changed the 4 small holes to 2 oval holes and a larger temp. sender hole
probably in 1966, this would not be correct for the Tiger. In the 1980's
"Blue Thunder" made reproduction Cobra, Tiger, and Ford high rise
manifolds. I have included pictures of most of these manifolds below.

David Franchi
 
Early Tiger low rise note hole at rear for road draft tube (1964)

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/21606493/374821926.jpg

--------------------

Tiger intake "High Rise" overall view (1965)
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/13007235/217198549.jpg  

"TIGER" name
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/13007235/217198551.jpg  

"TIGER" close up
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/13007235/217198554.jpg  

Shelby/Tiger part number S1TS 9423-A
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/13007235/217198558.jpg

--------------------

Early Edelbrock for all Ford 260/289's
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/13007235/310044577.jpg

Close-up small temp. sender hole
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/13007235/309760702.jpg

-------------------- 

Cobra low rise 1964
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/12780240/170611057.jpg

--------------
Cobra high rise 1965
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/12780240/192312305.jpg 
 

Cobra high rise name (also note small temp. sender hole)
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/12780240/192312312.jpg

-------------------- 

Repro Tiger high rise (Blue Thunder)
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/12780240/343708742.jpg  

Repro part number
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/12780240/343708744.jpg  

"TIGER" repro name close-up
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/12780240/355035598.jpg

From Tiger at Sabr2th.com  Tue Oct 13 13:57:57 2009
From: Tiger at Sabr2th.com (Sabr2th)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:57:57 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] LAT manifolds
Message-ID: <C6FA45F5.7%Tiger@Sabr2th.com>

Anyone have one of the Tiger letter intakes they9d like to sell?

I9m pulling my engine for some upgrades and would like to change the intake
too.
I9d prefer the Edelbrock/Cobra style (medium rise?) not the flatter low rise
one.

Thanks,
Mark

From tigerfixer at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 13 15:59:00 2009
From: tigerfixer at yahoo.com (Bill Martin)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:59:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] LAT manifolds
In-Reply-To: <BAY0-DAV-01888E84EE3B3D1E34C59B2ADC70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <761136.3841.qm@web63805.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

David,
 Thanks for the great info and pics. I had shots of most of the intakes
 but not all.
 To add to what has already been stated, Blue Thunder also reproduced
 the Tiger Lo-Rise and on some of them the road draft tube cover is molded
 on and not bolted. Also the Late F4B's carry the kick down linkage bosses
 on the drivers side rear of the intake.
 Ford used the C9OX intake for lots of applications, I have seen them with
 Large COBRA, TIGER and FORD letters, and with no lettering.
 Just my two cents
 Bill

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 16:36:22 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:36:22 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] LAT manifolds
In-Reply-To: <BAY0-DAV-01888E84EE3B3D1E34C59B2ADC70@phx.gbl>
References: <michael.s.king@gmail.com>
	<BAY0-DAV-01888E84EE3B3D1E34C59B2ADC70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0910131536m57fe22ccubad1739f4e63d40d@mail.gmail.com>

> David,


Excellent range of pics, saves me posting them all too! Seems there is quite
a decent range of "tiger" manifolds, sheds some light on the time frame and
origin of them.

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From rcsphx1 at cox.net  Tue Oct 13 18:16:33 2009
From: rcsphx1 at cox.net (Richard)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:16:33 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] ball joints
Message-ID: <5324DE06BC964FCCB232C41F597C30AF@D4TDG641>

The discussion of ball joints made me go to the garage and check mine out.
Did the original upper ball joint have zerks?  My uppers have none but the
lowers do.  The boots are all in tact but the uppers don't look like there is
much grease, if any, in them.  Steering seem to be ok, how concerned should I
be with the uppers?

Richard

From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 20:04:26 2009
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:04:26 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List
Message-ID: <4ad531ac.0508d00a.2de2.ffffdc53@mx.google.com>

Hi,



To whoever put together the Tiger Bolt List, Ive just discovered that the
bolts for the front leaf spring bushing, rear leaf spring bushing and
shackle to frame should be 3 > long, not 2 >.   I couldnt find 2 > so I
bought 3 and discovered they are too short.  I just checked the parts
manual and it says 3 >.  It also says they are 7/16-20 which matches the
Tiger Bolt List but the bolts I bought wont go through the holes in the
shackles or the holes in the front spring mount.  Odd.  I guess I will have
to open up the holes a little.



Thanks,

Joe Brown

Arlington, TX

B382000217

From robertn at surewest.net  Tue Oct 13 21:06:55 2009
From: robertn at surewest.net (Robert Neeley)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:06:55 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List
In-Reply-To: <4ad531ac.0508d00a.2de2.ffffdc53@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <FBEKKGBKNKHBCLBHCOPKOENCDJAA.robertn@surewest.net>

After several dozen trips to the hardware store for a bolt or nut that was
seldom found, I called these guys ...

http://www.mmsacc-stainless.com/html/Misc_Body.htm

I'm pretty sure I heard about them here on the list ... yesterday I ordered
a few different kits, including the rear suspension kit ...


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Joe Brown
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:04 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List


Hi,



To whoever put together the Tiger Bolt List, Ive just discovered that the
bolts for the front leaf spring bushing, rear leaf spring bushing and
shackle to frame should be 3 > long, not 2 >.   I couldnt find 2 > so I
bought 3 and discovered they are too short.  I just checked the parts
manual and it says 3 >.  It also says they are 7/16-20 which matches the
Tiger Bolt List but the bolts I bought wont go through the holes in the
shackles or the holes in the front spring mount.  Odd.  I guess I will have
to open up the holes a little.



Thanks,

Joe Brown

Arlington, TX

B382000217
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Oct 13 21:41:01 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:41:01 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List
In-Reply-To: <4ad531ac.0508d00a.2de2.ffffdc53@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <5976B710405E41E08F8762D1C604E8A6@ronpc1>

Joe
	I see 7/16 UNF x 3 3/4" bolts for the rear springs.
These bolts should just fit inside the bushings so it is odd that the
shackles have smaller holes.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Joe Brown
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:04 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List


Hi,



To whoever put together the Tiger Bolt List, Ive just discovered that the
bolts for the front leaf spring bushing, rear leaf spring bushing and
shackle to frame should be 3 > long, not 2 >.   I couldnt find 2 > so I
bought 3 and discovered they are too short.  I just checked the parts
manual and it says 3 >.  It also says they are 7/16-20 which matches the
Tiger Bolt List but the bolts I bought wont go through the holes in the
shackles or the holes in the front spring mount.  Odd.  I guess I will have
to open up the holes a little.



Thanks,

Joe Brown

Arlington, TX

B382000217
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From srwick at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 14 05:36:43 2009
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:36:43 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List
In-Reply-To: <4ad531ac.0508d00a.2de2.ffffdc53@mx.google.com>
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I've always wondered how much of the hardware on Tigers was in Whitworth, if
any. Maybe that's the reason the shackle holes are just a little off.
Opinions/info, anyone?

Steve
  ----- Original Message -----
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  To: tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:04 PM
  Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List


  Hi,



  To whoever put together the Tiger Bolt List, Ive just discovered that the
  bolts for the front leaf spring bushing, rear leaf spring bushing and
  shackle to frame should be 3 > long, not 2 >.   I couldnt find 2 > so I
  bought 3 and discovered they are too short.  I just checked the parts
  manual and it says 3 >.  It also says they are 7/16-20 which matches the
  Tiger Bolt List but the bolts I bought wont go through the holes in the
  shackles or the holes in the front spring mount.  Odd.  I guess I will have
  to open up the holes a little.



  Thanks,

  Joe Brown

  Arlington, TX

  B382000217
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Oct 14 07:13:16 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:13:16 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List
In-Reply-To: <COL122-DS203076FEB92B7A693A7B95D8C60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5FA709BAA3CD404199D2D5AAEB52E40B@ronpc1>

Steve
	The British Standard Thread was different but bolt size should have
been similar.  Smaller in this case seems odd.  I believe Rootes was using
BA, BSW and BSF in only 1/4" and smaller screws.

I found a nice web site about British Fasteners:

http://www.enginehistory.org/british_fasteners.htm

Enjoy

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of steve wick
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:37 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net; Joe Brown
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List


I've always wondered how much of the hardware on Tigers was in Whitworth, if
any. Maybe that's the reason the shackle holes are just a little off.
Opinions/info, anyone?

Steve

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 07:34:27 2009
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:34:27 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List
In-Reply-To: <COL122-DS203076FEB92B7A693A7B95D8C60@phx.gbl>
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	<COL122-DS203076FEB92B7A693A7B95D8C60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <39a841b0910140634s218bd6cfmfc142711b1cdfd02@mail.gmail.com>

i've not come across any whitworh (or BSF) on my tiger.  even the
crossmember tube nuts that i had heard were BSF were UNF.  maybe some PO had
re-tapped them.



On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:36 PM, steve wick <srwick at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I've always wondered how much of the hardware on Tigers was in Whitworth,
> if
> any. Maybe that's the reason the shackle holes are just a little off.
> Opinions/info, anyone?
>
> Steve
>   ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Joe Brown<mailto:jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
>  To: tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
>  Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:04 PM
>  Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List
>
>
>   Hi,
>
>
>
>  To whoever put together the Tiger Bolt List, I ve just discovered that the
>  bolts for the front leaf spring bushing, rear leaf spring bushing and
>  shackle to frame should be 3 >  long, not 2 > .   I couldn t find 2 >  so
> I
>  bought 3  and discovered they are too short.  I just checked the parts
>  manual and it says 3 > .  It also says they are 7/16-20 which matches the
>  Tiger Bolt List but the bolts I bought won t go through the holes in the
>  shackles or the holes in the front spring mount.  Odd.  I guess I will
> have
>  to open up the holes a little.
>
>
>
>  Thanks,
>
>  Joe Brown
>
>  Arlington, TX
>
>  B382000217
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From Carmods at aol.com  Wed Oct 14 07:47:40 2009
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:47:40 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List
Message-ID: <d0f.58e3fa18.3807307c@aol.com>

_srwick at hotmail.com_ (mailto:srwick at hotmail.com)  writes:

I've always wondered how much of the hardware on Tigers was in  Whitworth, 
if any.
 
I think you will find a Whitworth threaded bolt of about 1/4" or 5/16" in  
the adjusting mechanism the seat frames. 
 
John Logan

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 07:49:23 2009
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:49:23 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List
In-Reply-To: <5FA709BAA3CD404199D2D5AAEB52E40B@ronpc1>
References: <COL122-DS203076FEB92B7A693A7B95D8C60@phx.gbl>
	<5FA709BAA3CD404199D2D5AAEB52E40B@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <39a841b0910140649q5188c3bamf8d1a678a334731@mail.gmail.com>

this place in the UK has a good selection of BSW and BSF if anyone needs
them.
only standard quality though (what would be categorised as SAE grade 5 in
the US).

http://www.namrick.co.uk/


On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

> Steve
>        The British Standard Thread was different but bolt size should have
> been similar.  Smaller in this case seems odd.  I believe Rootes was using
> BA, BSW and BSF in only 1/4" and smaller screws.
>
> I found a nice web site about British Fasteners:
>
> http://www.enginehistory.org/british_fasteners.htm
>
> Enjoy
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of steve wick
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:37 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net; Joe Brown
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List
>
>
> I've always wondered how much of the hardware on Tigers was in Whitworth,
> if
> any. Maybe that's the reason the shackle holes are just a little off.
> Opinions/info, anyone?
>
> Steve
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Oct 14 09:13:17 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:13:17 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List
In-Reply-To: <d0f.58e3fa18.3807307c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2521ED9F64694F77A7C8D0E7B13609BD@ronpc1>

John
	I too thought there were a couple there and a couple in the Hardtop.
A quick look through the Parts Manual shows only a couple for the early soft
top, a couple used on the interior soft trim and mostly used for Badges.

I'll bet a lot of these have been changed by now.

Ron Fraser

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On Behalf Of Carmods at aol.com
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List


_srwick at hotmail.com_ (mailto:srwick at hotmail.com)  writes:

I've always wondered how much of the hardware on Tigers was in  Whitworth,
if any.

I think you will find a Whitworth threaded bolt of about 1/4" or 5/16" in
the adjusting mechanism the seat frames.

John Logan
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Oct 14 09:32:03 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:32:03 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List
In-Reply-To: <39a841b0910140649q5188c3bamf8d1a678a334731@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D83171CB66884D718D1DB9A9E62DBD62@ronpc1>

There are numerous British Fastener Companies in the USA; you just need to
Google British Fasteners.

Here are a couple:

http://www.metricmcc.com/

http://www.britishfasteners.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY
<http://www.britishfasteners.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=BTF
&Category_Code=30> &Store_Code=BTF&Category_Code=30

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Owain Lloyd [mailto:owain.lloyd at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:49 AM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com
Cc: steve wick; tigers at autox.team.net; Joe Brown
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List


this place in the UK has a good selection of BSW and BSF if anyone needs
them.
only standard quality though (what would be categorised as SAE grade 5 in
the US).

http://www.namrick.co.uk/

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 09:35:31 2009
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:35:31 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List
In-Reply-To: <D83171CB66884D718D1DB9A9E62DBD62@ronpc1>
References: <39a841b0910140649q5188c3bamf8d1a678a334731@mail.gmail.com>
	<D83171CB66884D718D1DB9A9E62DBD62@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <39a841b0910140835g7e3a82f1g8222943028ef881@mail.gmail.com>

ok - they're obviously more freely available than they are here!

well maybe it'll help any listers over here :)



On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:

>  There are numerous British Fastener Companies in the USA; you just need
> to Google British Fasteners.
>
> Here are a couple:
>
> http://www.metricmcc.com/
>
>
> http://www.britishfasteners.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=BTF&Category_Code=30
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Owain Lloyd [mailto:owain.lloyd at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:49 AM
> *To:* rfraser at bluefrog.com
> *Cc:* steve wick; tigers at autox.team.net; Joe Brown
> *Subject:* Re: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List
>
> this place in the UK has a good selection of BSW and BSF if anyone needs
> them.
> only standard quality though (what would be categorised as SAE grade 5 in
> the US).
>
> http://www.namrick.co.uk/

From spook01 at comcast.net  Wed Oct 14 11:16:39 2009
From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:16:39 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List
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	<COL122-DS203076FEB92B7A693A7B95D8C60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <9E1C6D3714E24F14B14AC9CC1DE25218@yourpd3mh0abgs>

none.
Best,
Ray

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "steve wick" <srwick at hotmail.com>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>; "Joe Brown" <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List


> I've always wondered how much of the hardware on Tigers was in Whitworth, 
> if
> any. Maybe that's the reason the shackle holes are just a little off.
> Opinions/info, anyone?
>
> Steve
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Joe Brown<mailto:jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
>  To: tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
>  Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:04 PM
>  Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List
>
>
>  Hi,
>
>
>
>  To whoever put together the Tiger Bolt List, Ive just discovered that 
> the
>  bolts for the front leaf spring bushing, rear leaf spring bushing and
>  shackle to frame should be 3 > long, not 2 >.   I couldnt find 2 > so 
> I
>  bought 3 and discovered they are too short.  I just checked the parts
>  manual and it says 3 >.  It also says they are 7/16-20 which matches the
>  Tiger Bolt List but the bolts I bought wont go through the holes in the
>  shackles or the holes in the front spring mount.  Odd.  I guess I will 
> have
>  to open up the holes a little.
>
>
>
>  Thanks,
>
>  Joe Brown
>
>  Arlington, TX
>
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From milward at roadrunner.com  Wed Oct 14 13:03:36 2009
From: milward at roadrunner.com (Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:03:36 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List
Message-ID: <A71A3AC9C6CA42688D8E3DB1ADD58E42@BillPC>

What is a bit disconcerting is that on a couple of repro parts (trunk hinges
from UK,  Rootes Rear Fender Badge CAT) the threads were metric.

BillRo

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Wed Oct 14 13:45:18 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:45:18 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List
In-Reply-To: <5FA709BAA3CD404199D2D5AAEB52E40B@ronpc1>
References: <5FA709BAA3CD404199D2D5AAEB52E40B@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <4AD62A4E.2020205@SoCal.rr.com>

Tigers,

Lots of interest being shown in fasteners.


Kirt Jensen has a great fasteners list, including vendors, on TigersUnited:

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/KJensenBolts/rt-KJensenBolts1.asp

Although 18-8 stainless is a good material, for really high stress 
applications a hardened steel (4130) should be used. It can more easily 
corrode, but is much stronger.

Steve

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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 16:49:30 2009
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:49:30 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List
In-Reply-To: <4AD62A4E.2020205@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4ad6557e.06a0100a.28e7.ffffcd1d@mx.google.com>

Which brings us back to my original issue.  This bolt list says the bolts
for the rear springs are 2 3/4" long.  This is a typo and should read 3 3/4"
long.  

My other issue is that the 7/16" bolts will not fit through the shackles or
the front mounts for the leaf springs.  It is very close and I will only
need to ream out the holes a little bit to make it work.  I just thought it
odd that the originals were also 7/16" and they must have worked.  I don't
have the originals to compare to though.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Laifman [mailto:SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:45 PM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com
Cc: 'steve wick'; tigers at autox.team.net; 'Joe Brown'
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List

Tigers,

Lots of interest being shown in fasteners.


Kirt Jensen has a great fasteners list, including vendors, on TigersUnited:

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/KJensenBolts/rt-KJensenBolts1.asp

Although 18-8 stainless is a good material, for really high stress 
applications a hardened steel (4130) should be used. It can more easily 
corrode, but is much stronger.

Steve

___
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From rsdslp at juno.com  Wed Oct 14 19:35:52 2009
From: rsdslp at juno.com (Robert Dobrowski)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:35:52 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Trouble on EBAY
Message-ID: <20091014.183759.-133269933.3.rsdslp@juno.com>

Just a note of warning to everyone. 
Do not buy anything from ebay seller Douglas Stahlke aka dugstahlk6ylr. 
I ordered a set of trim rings from him and they never arrived and he
refused to file a claim with UPS. 
Don't rely on the PAYPAL protection to help you out. They claim that
since you have no proof you didn't receive an item you must be lying.  
Obviously if you didn't receive something you couldn't possibly have
proof. Please spread the word. 
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 14 21:35:43 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:35:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] [Alpines] Trouble on EBAY
In-Reply-To: <20091014.183759.-133269933.3.rsdslp@juno.com>
Message-ID: <407285.8856.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Robert- IF he shipped he has to have a tracking number. Recontact ebay and
request he at least furnish that- the place he shipped will have it on their
computer still- it will prove if he shipped or if he lies. Be very firm with
ebay- I will send them a letter or sign a petition- they sell lots of Beam
parts.I dont care to threaten a boycott IF they dont at least make him furnish
the tracking number.
TonytheTiger
PS- I have a set of trim rings I bought from a seller in Austraila. Expensive
but nice. Shiping was high and he was too, price wise-not physically. I didnt
buy thru ebay. Later I found a set I had forgotten I had bought on ebay. I
dont care if they sell but will do so if you need them- better interest in
Beam parts than my savings account recently.

--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Robert Dobrowski <rsdslp at juno.com> wrote:

> From: Robert Dobrowski <rsdslp at juno.com>
> Subject: [Alpines] Trouble on EBAY
> To: Tigers at autox.team.net, Alpines at autox.team.net
> Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 8:35 PM
> Just a note of warning to everyone.
> Do not buy anything from ebay seller Douglas Stahlke aka
> dugstahlk6ylr.
> I ordered a set of trim rings from him and they never
> arrived and he
> refused to file a claim with UPS.
> Don't rely on the PAYPAL protection to help you out. They
> claim that
> since you have no proof you didn't receive an item you must
> be lying. 
> Obviously if you didn't receive something you couldn't
> possibly have
> proof. Please spread the word.
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 14 23:10:11 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:10:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List
In-Reply-To: <9E1C6D3714E24F14B14AC9CC1DE25218@yourpd3mh0abgs>
Message-ID: <502701.33213.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If memory serves the bolts that hold the set frames are Whitworth.
TtT

--- On Wed, 10/14/09, spook01 <spook01 at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: spook01 <spook01 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List
> To: "steve wick" <srwick at hotmail.com>, tigers at autox.team.net, "Joe Brown"
<jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
> Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 12:16 PM
> none.
> Best,
> Ray
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "steve wick" <srwick at hotmail.com>
> To: <tigers at autox.team.net>;
> "Joe Brown" <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List
>
>
> > I've always wondered how much of the hardware on
> Tigers was in Whitworth,
> > if
> > any. Maybe that's the reason the shackle holes are
> just a little off.
> > Opinions/info, anyone?
> >
> > Steve
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> >  From: Joe Brown<mailto:jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
> >  To: tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
> >  Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:04 PM
> >  Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Bolt List
> >
> >
> >  Hi,
> >
> >
> >
> >  To whoever put together the Tiger Bolt List, Ive
> just discovered that
> > the
> >  bolts for the front leaf spring bushing, rear
> leaf spring bushing and
> >  shackle to frame should be 3 > long, not 2
> >.   I couldnt find 2 > so
> > I
> >  bought 3 and discovered they are too
> short.  I just checked the parts
> >  manual and it says 3 >.  It also says
> they are 7/16-20 which matches the
> >  Tiger Bolt List but the bolts I bought wont go
> through the holes in the
> >  shackles or the holes in the front spring
> mount.  Odd.  I guess I will
> > have
> >  to open up the holes a little.
> >
> >
> >
> >  Thanks,
> >
> >  Joe Brown
> >
> >  Arlington, TX
> >
> >  B382000217
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From dsp781 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 15 00:37:45 2009
From: dsp781 at hotmail.com (Dexter Polistock)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:37:45 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] =?windows-1256?q?Leaf_Spring_Upper_Shackle_bushing_remov?=
 =?windows-1256?q?al_RE=3A_Tigers_Digest=2C_Vol_3=2C_Issue_402=FE?=
Message-ID: <SNT102-W630F205BA40FC9B8503E8796C50@phx.gbl>

Tim, 
 
The most common way to remove this type of bushing is to burn it out.  Using a small propane torch, "set the bushing on fire",  let it burn, and once it is consumed the bolt is easily removed.  This is a common practice used by automotive repair shops.
 
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From Carmods at aol.com  Thu Oct 15 09:05:28 2009
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:05:28 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Whitworth Threads
Message-ID: <d3f.4bc40533.38089438@aol.com>

Here is some brief  information you all  have wanted to know about 
Whitworth  threads. You will be amazed at how interesting a topic this will be at 
your next  party. If you need more detail let me know. 
It  is considered by some that the screw thread was invented in about 400 
BC by  Archytas of Tarentum (428 BC - 350 BC). Archytas is sometimes called 
the founder  of mechanics and was a contemporary of Plato.  
Early  screw threads for fasteners were cut by hand, hindering mass 
production  Through the years, increasing demands deemed it necessary for them to 
be  factory made. In 1770, Jesse  Ramsden made the first satisfactory 
screw-cutting lathe. J and W Wyatt  patented a factory  made thread system in 1760 
but the lack of thread standardization made  fastener interchangeability 
impossible.  
To overcome these problems Joseph Whitworth  collected sample screws from a 
large number of British workshops and in 1841  proposed standardization of  
the number of threads per inch for various  diameters and the angle the 
thread flanks at 55 degrees . His proposals  became standard practice in 
Britain in the 1860's. 
Course Whitworth threads called BSW (British  Standard Whitworth) from 1/4" 
to 1" are the same threads per inch as UNC  (Unified Course) except for the 
1/2" which is 12 threads per inch for BSW and 13  threads per inch for UNC. 
 The major  difference is that the UNC has 60 degrees between the thread 
flanks  and a deeper minor diameter.  The  BSF (British Standard Fine) thread 
has the same profile as the BSW thread form  but was used when a finer pitch 
was required for a given diameter.  
Except for the  1/2" thread BSW, threads  can be modified with a tap or 
chased with a  die to fit a UNC  nuts and bolts. Due to varying sizes of taps 
and  dies, try it first to make sure you are satisfied with the fit. The 
threads  per inch of BSF (British Std. Fine)  have no correlation to UNF  
(Unified Fine) so they cannot be re-tapped or chased with a  die.

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 11:26:11 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:26:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Whitworth Threads
In-Reply-To: <d3f.4bc40533.38089438@aol.com>
Message-ID: <507168.79553.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Informative post. THANKS!
TtT

--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Carmods at aol.com <Carmods at aol.com> wrote:

> From: Carmods at aol.com <Carmods at aol.com>
> Subject: [Tigers] Whitworth Threads
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 10:05 AM
> Here is some brief  information
> you all  have wanted to know about
> Whitworth  threads. You will be amazed at how
> interesting a topic this will be at
> your next  party. If you need more detail let me know.
>
> It  is considered by some that the screw thread was
> invented in about 400
> BC by  Archytas of Tarentum (428 BC - 350 BC).
> Archytas is sometimes called
> the founder  of mechanics and was a contemporary of
> Plato. 
> Early  screw threads for fasteners were cut by hand,
> hindering mass
> production  Through the years, increasing demands
> deemed it necessary for them to
> be  factory made. In 1770, Jesse  Ramsden made
> the first satisfactory
> screw-cutting lathe. J and W Wyatt  patented a
> factory  made thread system in 1760
> but the lack of thread standardization made  fastener
> interchangeability
> impossible. 
> To overcome these problems Joseph Whitworth  collected
> sample screws from a
> large number of British workshops and in 1841 
> proposed standardization of 
> the number of threads per inch for various  diameters
> and the angle the
> thread flanks at 55 degrees . His proposals  became
> standard practice in
> Britain in the 1860's.
> Course Whitworth threads called BSW (British  Standard
> Whitworth) from 1/4"
> to 1" are the same threads per inch as UNC  (Unified
> Course) except for the
> 1/2" which is 12 threads per inch for BSW and 13 
> threads per inch for UNC.
>  The major  difference is that the UNC has 60 degrees
> between the thread
> flanks  and a deeper minor diameter.  The 
> BSF (British Standard Fine) thread
> has the same profile as the BSW thread form  but was
> used when a finer pitch
> was required for a given diameter. 
> Except for the  1/2" thread BSW, threads  can be
> modified with a tap or
> chased with a  die to fit a UNC  nuts and bolts.
> Due to varying sizes of taps
> and  dies, try it first to make sure you are satisfied
> with the fit. The
> threads  per inch of BSF (British Std. Fine) 
> have no correlation to UNF 
> (Unified Fine) so they cannot be re-tapped or chased with
> a  die.
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From cmccann at lwpb.com  Thu Oct 15 14:37:22 2009
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:37:22 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] FW: SUNBEAM TIGER 1964 - $6500 (MAYFLOWER/ RIVER
	PLANTATION)
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BAF073E29@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

Friends,

There is a Tiger (supposedly) listed for sale on craigslist in the Little Rock
Arkansas area...or at least it was a few days ago. I have emailed the guy
several times...he responded once (conversation below) and then hasn't
responded to me since. on his one response he asked me how serious I was and I
chose to be honest, probably a mistake. I should have lied and said I'm
desperately interested....but I just wanted a little info and maybe a picture.
he didn't respond with that or anything else. So, basically if you are
interested, email the guy and tell him you REALLY want to see it badly and you
have cash in hand. Whether you do or not. Regardless...maybe you can get more
info then. He says it's a complete car disassembled, for 6500 bucks...don't
know anything else...

Maybe someone will have better luck than I did in requesting info. Could be an
alpine with rats under the hood or it could be some long lost racer...I still
have no idea, but I havent had any luck chasing it down...

His name is Randy, and his email is 'planeguy at aristotle.net'

Good luck!

Cullen





Subject: RE: SUNBEAM TIGER 1964 - $6500 (MAYFLOWER/ RIVER PLANTATION)

not to bug you but please do respond and let me know the status. since I'm in
oklahoma can I please get a few pictures? is this possible? it shouldn't be
that much trouble, hopefully its not. im not window shopping, if the car is
what im looking for ( basket cases are ok) I would easily come to your
location or make you a reasonable offer.

Cullen




well.....thanks for asking. to be honest with you im probably not extremely
serious about buying it, but I thought if I could see a picture or two, I
might get more serious. How serious are you about selling it?

Thanks for your time. I know basket cases....they don't scare me....i would
like know about the overall condition of the car, the amount of rust on is on
it...the options that came with it....etc. any chance I could get a pic? I
could get serious in a hurry...or at least serious enough to make you an
offer.

let me know. thanks for replying to my interest.

Cullen




Subject: RE: SUNBEAM TIGER 1964 - $6500 (MAYFLOWER/ RIVER PLANTATION)


HOW SERIOUS ARE YOU ABOUT THIS CAR.  IT IS A BASKET CASE.  ALL THE PARTS ARE
THERE, BUT YO GET TO PUT IT TOGETHER.  RANDY

________________________________



Subject: SUNBEAM TIGER 1964 - $6500 (MAYFLOWER/ RIVER PLANTATION)

Hello,
Im curious about your Tiger, can you send me pictures? I know Tigers well, im
in oklahoma city but would come there for the right car. please send pics, and
preferably a vin number...or a phone number where I can reach you if you
prefer...whatever is best for you. thanks, Cullen

From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 16:59:57 2009
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:59:57 -0500
Subject: [Tigers]
 =?windows-1255?q?Leaf_Spring_Upper_Shackle_bushing_remov?=
 =?windows-1255?q?al_RE=3A_Tigers_Digest=2C_Vol_3=2C_Issue_402=FE?=
In-Reply-To: <SNT102-W630F205BA40FC9B8503E8796C50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4ad7a970.096c100a.46a1.fffff4c2@mx.google.com>

I was able to drill out the center tube of the bushings and then cut the
rubber part out by driving a copper tube through it.  That left me with the
outer part of the bushing.  I had to carefully stick a sawzall blade into
what was left of the bushing and just cut through it without cutting into
the frame rail.  Then I took a chisel and hammer and started peeling it up
until I could knock the whole thing out.

Now I'm having fun trying to get the new bushings in.  I ran a brake
cylinder hone through the opening in the frame rail to clean out the rust
and I managed to get one bushing installed using a piece of threaded rod and
a variety of nuts and washers.  I need to spend some more time cleaning up
the other frame rail opening before inserting the bushing because it looks
like I gouged it up a little removing the old bushing.

Fun, fun, fun,
Joe Brown
Arlington, TX
B382000217


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Dexter Polistock
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 1:38 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Leaf Spring Upper Shackle bushing removal RE: Tigers
Digest, Vol 3, Issue 402~

Tim,

The most common way to remove this type of bushing is to burn it out.  Using
a small propane torch, "set the bushing on fire",  let it burn, and once it
is consumed the bolt is easily removed.  This is a common practice used by
automotive repair shops.

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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 17:37:06 2009
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:37:06 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Upper Fulcrum Pin
Message-ID: <4ad7b225.0d84100a.4c2f.ffffff83@mx.google.com>

Hey,

 

Does anybody out there have a spare upper fulcrum pin (the short one) they
want to sell?  I was working with a friend today removing the pins and
bushings from my a-arms and discovered that one of them has a slight bend on
one of the threaded ends.  It might have happened when we were pushing the
bushing out using my friend's press.  We didn't mess anything else up but we
this one end being slightly distorted and there is no way to get a nut back
on it.

 

I already have new lower fulcrums from Doug Jennings.  I just need 1 (or 2
if you can't break up a pair) upper fulcrum pin in really good condition.

 

Thanks,

Joe Brown

Arlington, TX

B382000217

From spook01 at comcast.net  Thu Oct 15 19:17:29 2009
From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:17:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] FW: SUNBEAM TIGER 1964 - $6500 (MAYFLOWER/ RIVER
 PLANTATION)
In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BAF073E29@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>
Message-ID: <1803389293.6553311255655849037.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

heck, i have been trying to sell a rust free real one for months for 12k.B 
maybe i should have been advertising it as a tigpine!

rayB 



----- Original Message -----
From: "Cullen McCann" <cmccann at lwpb.com>
To: "Tigers Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:37:22 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Tigers] FW: SUNBEAM TIGER 1964 - $6500 (MAYFLOWER/ RIVER PLANTATION)

Friends,

There is a Tiger (supposedly) listed for sale on craigslist in the Little Rock
Arkansas area...or at least it was a few days ago. I have emailed the guy
several times...he responded once (conversation below) and then hasn't
responded to me since. on his one response he asked me how serious I was and I
chose to be honest, probably a mistake. I should have lied and said I'm
desperately interested....but I just wanted a little info and maybe a picture.
he didn't respond with that or anything else. So, basically if you are
interested, email the guy and tell him you REALLY want to see it badly and you
have cash in hand. Whether you do or not. Regardless...maybe you can get more
info then. He says it's a complete car disassembled, for 6500 bucks...don't
know anything else...

Maybe someone will have better luck than I did in requesting info. Could be an
alpine with rats under the hood or it could be some long lost racer...I still
have no idea, but I havent had any luck chasing it down...

His name is Randy, and his email is 'planeguy at aristotle.net'

Good luck!

Cullen





Subject: RE: SUNBEAM TIGER 1964 - $6500 (MAYFLOWER/ RIVER PLANTATION)

not to bug you but please do respond and let me know the status. since I'm in
oklahoma can I please get a few pictures? is this possible? it shouldn't be
that much trouble, hopefully its not. im not window shopping, if the car is
what im looking for ( basket cases are ok) I would easily come to your
location or make you a reasonable offer.

Cullen




well.....thanks for asking. to be honest with you im probably not extremely
serious about buying it, but I thought if I could see a picture or two, I
might get more serious. How serious are you about selling it?

Thanks for your time. I know basket cases....they don't scare me....i would
like know about the overall condition of the car, the amount of rust on is on
it...the options that came with it....etc. any chance I could get a pic? I
could get serious in a hurry...or at least serious enough to make you an
offer.

let me know. thanks for replying to my interest.

Cullen




Subject: RE: SUNBEAM TIGER 1964 - $6500 (MAYFLOWER/ RIVER PLANTATION)


HOW SERIOUS ARE YOU ABOUT THIS CAR. B IT IS A BASKET CASE. B ALL THE PARTS ARE
THERE, BUT YO GET TO PUT IT TOGETHER. B RANDY

________________________________



Subject: SUNBEAM TIGER 1964 - $6500 (MAYFLOWER/ RIVER PLANTATION)

Hello,
Im curious about your Tiger, can you send me pictures? I know Tigers well, im
in oklahoma city but would come there for the right car. please send pics, and
preferably a vin number...or a phone number where I can reach you if you
prefer...whatever is best for you. thanks, Cullen
Tigers at autox.team.net
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 15 23:46:26 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:46:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] [Alpines] Trouble on EBAY
In-Reply-To: <20091015.202903.-396001.9.rsdslp@juno.com>
Message-ID: <735943.74060.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Bob- you have to recontact paypal and explain the seller claims he shippd but
has not provided any proof (receipt, tracking number etc) so UPS has not made
any such statement. Be FIRM with them as well. If he is allowed to cheat you,
than I  may be next. I would still like his ebay ID.
TonytheTiger

--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Robert Dobrowski <rsdslp at juno.com> wrote:

> From: Robert Dobrowski <rsdslp at juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [Alpines] Trouble on EBAY
> To: canisdog at aol.com
> Cc: Alpines at autox.team.net
> Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 10:03 PM
> Paul,
>
> I did file a dispute with Paypal and they simply stated
> that if UPS says
> they shipped an Item then you received it.
> Who knows what UPS did but they will not accept a claim
> from the receiver
> only from the shipper so I lose.
> Paypal is part of the problem.
> I appreciate your suppport.
>
> Thanks
>
>     Bob
>
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:23:27 -0400 canisdog at aol.com
> writes:
> >  You have it back words!  The burden of
> proof is on him.  File a
> > dispute with
> > PayPal and they will reverse the charges
> > and he will have to show proof he shipped it. 
> This is one of the
> > reasons EB
> > went to paypal only.  Although they
> > make money at every turn, they have the power to pull
> the plug.  Had
> > a dispute
> > filed on me and they reversed charges
> > for over $500.  I straightened it out but it
> scared me!  This is why
> > everyone
> > should use a Credit Card or PayPal when buying.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Dobrowski <rsdslp at juno.com>
> > To: Tigers at autox.team.net;
> Alpines at autox.team.net
> > Sent: Wed, Oct 14, 2009 8:35 pm
> > Subject: [Alpines] Trouble on EBAY
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Just a note of warning to everyone.
> > Do not buy anything from ebay seller Douglas Stahlke
> aka
> > dugstahlk6ylr.
> > I ordered a set of trim rings from him and they never
> arrived and he
> > refused to file a claim with UPS.
> > Don't rely on the PAYPAL protection to help you out.
> They claim that
> > since you have no proof you didn't receive an item you
> must be
> > lying.
> > Obviously if you didn't receive something you couldn't
> possibly have
> > proof. Please spread the word.
> >
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From marcsmall at comcast.net  Fri Oct 16 05:56:30 2009
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:56:30 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] AVOID UPS
In-Reply-To: <735943.74060.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20091015.202903.-396001.9.rsdslp@juno.com>
	<735943.74060.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20091016115652.17D0318765D@autox.team.net>

At 01:46 AM 10/16/2009, Tony Somebody wrote:
 >Bob- you have to recontact paypal and explain the seller claims he shippd
but
 >has not provided any proof (receipt, tracking number etc) so UPS has not
made
 >any such statement. Be FIRM with them as well. If he is allowed to cheat
you,
 >than I  may be next. I would still like his ebay ID.

One large step along the way is to avoid the
shady ladies, UPS and FedEx, and to stick with
the very reliable Postal Service.  The only
significant problems I have ever had have been
with UPS.  I insist on USPS and have never had a problem.

Go with the pros.  Avoid the shady ladies.

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!

From marcsmall at comcast.net  Fri Oct 16 06:41:39 2009
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:41:39 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Whitworth Threads
In-Reply-To: <d3f.4bc40533.38089438@aol.com>
References: <d3f.4bc40533.38089438@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20091016124158.BDF0318765D@autox.team.net>

At 11:05 AM 10/15/2009, Carmods at aol.com wrote:
 >Here is some brief  information you all  have wanted to know about
 >Whitworth  threads. You will be amazed at how interesting a topic this
 >will be at
 >your next  party. If you need more detail let me know.

Interesting stuff.  The Whitworth thread remains
the most serious such design due to its
superiority in resistance to unintentional
unthreading.  For that reason, the Royal
Microscope Society made it the international
standard for scientific uses at the Brussels
Convention in 1870.  Whitworth remains the norm
on matters such as microscope objectives and the
like --  macro lenses today still use "the Royal
Screw" as their standard thread-mount, and that is Whitworth, all the way.

When the noted microscope company, E Leitz
Wetzlar, got around to producing an
interchangeable-lens camera, their chief
mechanical designer, Oscar Barnack, selected a
thread of 39mm by 26 turns-per-inch Whitworth.
This caused problems with both FED, a Soviet
concern, before WWII, and Canon, a Japanese
company, after that war, as neither were
microscope companies and thus could not
understand that true Leica thread-mount (LTM) was
not M39 (39mm by 1mm DIN thread).  Both companies finally got it right.

Whitworth rules!

(I do have a few copies of my book on non-Leitz
LTM lenses still available.  Contact me if
interested in buying one.  The Japanese-language
edition, of course, being rarer, costs more than the English-language one.)

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!

From cmeinel464 at aol.com  Fri Oct 16 07:03:14 2009
From: cmeinel464 at aol.com (cmeinel464 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:03:14 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] [Alpines] AVOID UPS
In-Reply-To: <20091016115652.4D78418787F@autox.team.net>
References: <20091015.202903.-396001.9.rsdslp@juno.com><735943.74060.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20091016115652.4D78418787F@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <8CC1C78281CDBC0-8CBC-6F8@webmail-d055.sysops.aol.com>

Marc et All,



Now lets look at this situation from the other side:  I've had a Ebay store
now for about three years and on a few occasions people say they didn't
receive or the part was broken on delivery. In either case we simply confirm
address and reship.  We always use the postal service and they are great, we
track everything showing that the part was delivered.

But, sometimes things got nuts, people give you the wrong address or parts are
left in their garage etc.  I just had a box returned from Austria that was
shipped on August 30th. Improper address, but the address is correct to what
was provided by the customer.  He has emailed me on many occasion accusing us
of taking his money and not shipping the item. Vendors as well as customers
must be able to track items sent. This way everyone is accountable.

In this particular case, after contacting PayPal, re contact the vendor and
insist on a tracking number, if he can not supply one he most likely never
sent it.

Best regards,

Curt Meinel

Classic Sunbeam Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: Marc James Small <marcsmall at comcast.net>
To: Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com>; Robert Dobrowski <rsdslp at juno.com>
Cc: Alpine List <alpines at autox.team.net>; Beamclub <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Oct 16, 2009 7:56 am
Subject: [Alpines] AVOID UPS



At 01:46 AM 10/16/2009, Tony Somebody wrote:
>Bob- you have to recontact paypal and explain the seller claims he shippd
but
>has not provided any proof (receipt, tracking number etc) so UPS has not
made
>any such statement. Be FIRM with them as well. If he is allowed to cheat
you,
>than I may be next. I would still like his ebay ID.

One large step along the way is to avoid the
shady ladies, UPS and FedEx, and to stick with
the very reliable Postal Service. The only
significant problems I have ever had have been
with UPS. I insist on USPS and have never had a problem.

Go with the pros. Avoid the shady ladies.

Marc

msmall at aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!
Alpines at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/alpines

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From marcsmall at comcast.net  Fri Oct 16 11:03:51 2009
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:03:51 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] [Alpines] AVOID UPS
In-Reply-To: <15845673.1255711477830.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa
	.earthlink.net>
References: <15845673.1255711477830.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20091016170955.B04D318786A@autox.team.net>

At 12:44 PM 10/16/2009, jarrid_gross at earthlink.net wrote:
 >For me, USPS "the post office" has destroyed
more items than the rest combined.
 >
 >With UPS, the default insurance is $100.
 >With USPS- zero, nada, zilch.
 >
 >Ive had packages sent via USPS poorly packaged by the seller,
 >absolutely decimated
 >by USPS and there is ZERO recourse from either if they didnt insure it.
 >
 >Food for thought.

Try this one on for size.  Contemplate the
shipping of an item bearing a serial number which
is no longer in production outside the US.  UPS,
FedEx, &c, will take your insurance money but, if
the item is damaged or lost, they'll suddenly
exclaim, "oh, this is a Unique Item, and we don't
insure these!" and will cheerfully refund your
insurance payment but no more.  It is a rotten
scam.  The USPS will insure shipments to almost
all nations save, for some odd reason, to
Singapore, and the rates and coverage are
determined by international postal treaties.

I do a fair amount of shipping older camera
lenses.  The USPS has never damaged a single
shipment.  UPS once left an $8,000 lens in a bush
outside my office on a rainy day, and so much for
"signature required".  Luckily, the lens wasn't
harmed, but that ended my dealings with UPS.

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!

From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Fri Oct 16 12:24:29 2009
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:24:29 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Monterey Historics
Message-ID: <035CC921EBAA42858A8DAE3558BCDCE3@your4dacd0ea75>

Hi,

HJ Meyers just called to let me know that Speed Channel is running a show
tonight on this year's Monterey Historics. I have no idea if they will have
any Tiger footage but, just in case, I've set my Tivo.

Buck Trippel

From vegaslegal at aol.com  Fri Oct 16 13:16:57 2009
From: vegaslegal at aol.com (vegaslegal at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:16:57 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] New sports car purchased.
Message-ID: <8CC1CAC5D5DF38E-830C-7D80@webmail-d034.sysops.aol.com>

A bit off topic and self-centered, but this car is enough fun for the $ to
tell y'all.  Bought a new ('08) Chryler Crossfire manual coupe and drove it
home cross-country.  It's fun, comfortable, showey, rides on rails, goes
zoomzoom, and gets looks.  Thus, it shares three attributes with my Tiger.

Quick rundown:  Mercedes chasis and driveline; 215 hp; 6 sp.; lifetime
powertrain warranty; $23k out the door.  Thanks for listening.

From rsdslp at juno.com  Fri Oct 16 13:45:49 2009
From: rsdslp at juno.com (rsdslp at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:45:49 GMT
Subject: [Tigers] [Alpines] Trouble on EBAY
Message-ID: <20091016.124549.28227.1@webmail08.dca.untd.com>

I checked.
Neighbors don't have it.
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From daniel.doornbos at intel.com  Fri Oct 16 14:06:11 2009
From: daniel.doornbos at intel.com (Doornbos, Daniel)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:06:11 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] bench building my tiger
Message-ID: <4DC1D5C24579344988EB9E78C0BE581B5FE3A23600@rrsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>

I'm going to get started on my car in the next year and it's not going to be a
stock restoration.  I have been thinking a 331 stroker and some type of
injection with a 5speed behind it.  I also think I'm going to fit a
toyzjunkie.com cross member.

Talking to a buddy he said crate engines are down in price these days, just
like cars have been getting cheap.  Here is the 4.6l ford fully built for $7k.
High ticket item in my book but when you tally all the extra parts on this
thing it seems like a relative bargain.
http://www.jegs.com/i/Ford-Racing/397/M-6007A463NA/10002/-1&parentProductId=1
146100

I think this is way more cutting than I want to do on my car to get it to fit
under the fire wall.  But it has me thinking what if because this complete
motor weighs about 50 lbs less than the original long block.  Probably a good
100lbs lighter than a finished motor.

I know some folks have done some retrofits and fire wall cutting.  Does anyone
have any pics of how they cut their firewall to fit a modern EFI?  Also anyone
else running injection systems, and if so what kind and would you recommend
it.  It appeals to me as being more efficient.  Primarily I've been thinking
about the Edelbrock multi-port FI Performer RPM, I think it would fit under
the firewall with no modifications.

dan

Please let this be a distraction about the USPS vs UPS vs FEDEX vs ETC... that
spiraled out of control just last month I don't want to go down that path
again.

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 16 15:11:15 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:11:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] bench building my tiger
In-Reply-To: <4DC1D5C24579344988EB9E78C0BE581B5FE3A23600@rrsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
Message-ID: <971201.1978.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dan,
IF you are going to cut up your Tiger why not just build an Alger? You will
devalue the Tiger (IMO) and you can slowly replace the Tiger parts used on the
Alger and still have a Tiger to build as a stroker etc which wont devalue it
like cutting the firewall out will. I have a couple of nice S5 Alpines I
bought thinking along those lines- this isnt a sales pitch although health
problems have pretty much retired any Alpine being more than an orginal S5-
one w/ OD.

I think your idea is pretty good but the unwritten rule about" Do anything to
your Tiger you want(restomod) as long as it can be returned to stock
configuration"is a good guideline. Perhaps you would be able to rework the
firewall and tranny hump but I feel it would be worth as much as an Alger done
the same way while I dont see the Tiger holding its comparable value. You
might talk to Theo about the injection. I cant remember exactly what he has
installed but he is on top of his game and prolly as knowledgeabe as any
member wanting to add any type FIS. I have to find it but I will send a link
of a place that builds stroker engines. Another owner bought his engine there
and that's who I plan on buying from unless the prices have gone up
signifantly.
TtT

--- On Fri, 10/16/09, Doornbos, Daniel <daniel.doornbos at intel.com> wrote:

> From: Doornbos, Daniel <daniel.doornbos at intel.com>
> Subject: [Tigers] bench building my tiger
> To: "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 3:06 PM
> I'm going to get started on my car in
> the next year and it's not going to be a
> stock restoration.  I have been thinking a 331 stroker
> and some type of
> injection with a 5speed behind it.  I also think I'm
> going to fit a
> toyzjunkie.com cross member.
>
> Talking to a buddy he said crate engines are down in price
> these days, just
> like cars have been getting cheap.  Here is the 4.6l
> ford fully built for $7k.
> High ticket item in my book but when you tally all the
> extra parts on this
> thing it seems like a relative bargain.
>
http://www.jegs.com/i/Ford-Racing/397/M-6007A463NA/10002/-1&parentProductId=1
> 146100
>
> I think this is way more cutting than I want to do on my
> car to get it to fit
> under the fire wall.  But it has me thinking what if
> because this complete
> motor weighs about 50 lbs less than the original long
> block.  Probably a good
> 100lbs lighter than a finished motor.
>
> I know some folks have done some retrofits and fire wall
> cutting.  Does anyone
> have any pics of how they cut their firewall to fit a
> modern EFI?  Also anyone
> else running injection systems, and if so what kind and
> would you recommend
> it.  It appeals to me as being more efficient. 
> Primarily I've been thinking
> about the Edelbrock multi-port FI Performer RPM, I think it
> would fit under
> the firewall with no modifications.
>
> dan
>
> Please let this be a distraction about the USPS vs UPS vs
> FEDEX vs ETC... that
> spiraled out of control just last month I don't want to go
> down that path
> again.
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Fri Oct 16 15:11:42 2009
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:11:42 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] bench building my tiger
In-Reply-To: <4DC1D5C24579344988EB9E78C0BE581B5FE3A23600@rrsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
References: <4DC1D5C24579344988EB9E78C0BE581B5FE3A23600@rrsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019055BF@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

I'm running the Retrotekspeed throttle body injection, and it's working
pretty well now. Their third-generation product is now being marketed by
Professional Products as an injection-only solution, and that's
definitely the best way to use it. I had problems with the timing
control provided by their engine management controller. That third-gen
system integrates all of the electronics into the throttle body assembly
too, so it's very tidy. However, I don't know how it would stand up to
the heat under the Tiger's hood.

I don't know how much firewall cutting would be required to put a
regular 5.0 EFI solution on. If the cutout has to extend far over the
valve covers (at least on one side) to clear the manifold plenum, then
it might be tough to justify going that way compared to a individual
throttle body setup on a Cobra style manifold.

The Edelbrock multiport setup might still have a tough height
requirement for the fuel rail and the injectors. I looked pretty hard at
modifying a 5.0 EFI manifold and it pretty much required drilling the
injector bosses deeper so that the fuel rails would fit underneath the
existing firewall cutout. This is even though the injectors are canted
inboard and angled forward and back.

Cheers,
Theo

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Fri Oct 16 15:51:21 2009
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:51:21 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] bench building my tiger
In-Reply-To: <971201.1978.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4DC1D5C24579344988EB9E78C0BE581B5FE3A23600@rrsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
	<971201.1978.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019055C2@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

I'm with Tony on the Alger thing, definitely if you're considering an
engine or induction swap that is non-SBF or would require major firewall
or frame rail surgery.
And like him, I have a SV shell waiting. It's not very nice, but I
definitely won't have any hesitation about moving sheetmetal.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody
> Sent: October 16, 2009 3:11 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net; DanielDoornbos
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] bench building my tiger
>
> Dan,
> IF you are going to cut up your Tiger why not just build an
> Alger?

From Tigerman67 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 16 15:55:43 2009
From: Tigerman67 at hotmail.com (Tiger Man)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:55:43 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] bench building my tiger
In-Reply-To: <4DC1D5C24579344988EB9E78C0BE581B5FE3A23600@rrsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
References: <4DC1D5C24579344988EB9E78C0BE581B5FE3A23600@rrsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
Message-ID: <BAY119-DS83BDC5D847A843D06E19FC1C40@phx.gbl>

While I am no expert, someone once told me that while the 4.6l modular's 
have similar displacement as a ford small block, they are significantly 
bigger in just about every direction, and that is probably without whatever 
space the EFI system would take.  I think for the sheer amount of time 
involved, that you could probably be happier with something based on a ford 
small block.

I saw Theo's EFI system from Retrotech at SUNI and thought it was slick 
system, I would probably go with their latest version if I was going to do 
EFI.

The other one that seems to be popular with the Replica Cobra guys is the 
mass flo system  (they do a lot of advertising in that space), but that 
system uses something like a standard carb based Victor Jr manifold that is 
drilled for individual injectors and has fuel rails running above them, 
which I don't think looks very period correct.

Steve




> I'm going to get started on my car in the next year and it's not going to 
> be a
> stock restoration.  I have been thinking a 331 stroker and some type of
> injection with a 5speed behind it.  I also think I'm going to fit a
> toyzjunkie.com cross member.
>
> Talking to a buddy he said crate engines are down in price these days, 
> just
> like cars have been getting cheap.  Here is the 4.6l ford fully built for 
> $7k.
> High ticket item in my book but when you tally all the extra parts on this
> thing it seems like a relative bargain.
> http://www.jegs.com/i/Ford-Racing/397/M-6007A463NA/10002/-1&parentProductId=1
> 146100
>
> I think this is way more cutting than I want to do on my car to get it to 
> fit
> under the fire wall.  But it has me thinking what if because this complete
> motor weighs about 50 lbs less than the original long block.  Probably a 
> good
> 100lbs lighter than a finished motor.
>
> I know some folks have done some retrofits and fire wall cutting.  Does 
> anyone
> have any pics of how they cut their firewall to fit a modern EFI?  Also 
> anyone
> else running injection systems, and if so what kind and would you 
> recommend
> it.  It appeals to me as being more efficient.  Primarily I've been 
> thinking
> about the Edelbrock multi-port FI Performer RPM, I think it would fit 
> under
> the firewall with no modifications.
>
> dan

From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 16 16:10:52 2009
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:10:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] bench building my tiger
In-Reply-To: <4DC1D5C24579344988EB9E78C0BE581B5FE3A23600@rrsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
Message-ID: <695319.66428.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dan,
 
I agree whole heartedly with Tony. Please do not modify your Tiger like you
mention. Although it may be a nice setup, it would greatly devalue the car and
there are only so many Tigers left. The factory made 10 times more Alpines
than Tigers and you would have to do the same amount of work to modify an
Alpine (You Alpine purists may scream about this, too)
 
Personally, I run a 400+ hp 331 stroker with an ultra wide ratio 4 speed
toploader (2.90 first gear) and 2.88 gears. I can barely keep it on the road,
even with positraction and a Dan Walters torque arm. The engine cost me around
$4K to build and everything I have done can be converted back original. I can
send you my dirvetrain build list, if you wish. The car looks very stock, but
performance is unbelieveable. (Too much is just enough!!!)
 
If you are in Southern Cal. I'll give you a ride.
 
Gary

--- On Fri, 10/16/09, Doornbos, Daniel <daniel.doornbos at intel.com> wrote:


From: Doornbos, Daniel <daniel.doornbos at intel.com>
Subject: [Tigers] bench building my tiger
To: "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 1:06 PM


I'm going to get started on my car in the next year and it's not going to be
a
stock restoration.  I have been thinking a 331 stroker and some type of
injection with a 5speed behind it.  I also think I'm going to fit a
toyzjunkie.com cross member.

Talking to a buddy he said crate engines are down in price these days, just
like cars have been getting cheap.  Here is the 4.6l ford fully built for
$7k.
High ticket item in my book but when you tally all the extra parts on this
thing it seems like a relative bargain.
http://www.jegs.com/i/Ford-Racing/397/M-6007A463NA/10002/-1&parentProductId=1
146100

I think this is way more cutting than I want to do on my car to get it to fit
under the fire wall.  But it has me thinking what if because this complete
motor weighs about 50 lbs less than the original long block.  Probably a good
100lbs lighter than a finished motor.

I know some folks have done some retrofits and fire wall cutting.  Does
anyone
have any pics of how they cut their firewall to fit a modern EFI?  Also
anyone
else running injection systems, and if so what kind and would you recommend
it.  It appeals to me as being more efficient.  Primarily I've been thinking
about the Edelbrock multi-port FI Performer RPM, I think it would fit under
the firewall with no modifications.

dan

Please let this be a distraction about the USPS vs UPS vs FEDEX vs ETC...
that
spiraled out of control just last month I don't want to go down that path
again.
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Fri Oct 16 16:25:27 2009
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:25:27 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] bench building my tiger
References: <4DC1D5C24579344988EB9E78C0BE581B5FE3A23600@rrsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
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Dan,
  There was a guy in the Oxnard, CA. area named Dave who put the 5.0 with 
factory injection into an Alpine.  It was a clean build, but he basically 
had little metal in the center of the firewall above the trans tunnel.  It 
also precluded the stock heater location being used. The only way the engine 
went in/out was from the bottom and there wasn't a chance of getting the 
plenum or the heads off - in the car.

  I haven't seen him or the car in the past 5 years or so.  Last I asked he 
was going to tear it all apart to "finish it right."  I'm not sure if anyone 
on the list knows the guy.  I recall Jay Laifman saying he talked to him at 
the Thousand Oaks, CA  Pep Boys (where he had worked), but again he is long 
gone from there.

Regards, Tom

"Ship Pony Express - because it's faster than your package rattling around 
in a sedan chair"  :-) 

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 17:56:30 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:56:30 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] bench building my tiger
In-Reply-To: <4DC1D5C24579344988EB9E78C0BE581B5FE3A23600@rrsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
References: <4DC1D5C24579344988EB9E78C0BE581B5FE3A23600@rrsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
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Dan,

As with everyone else i would keep body mods to a minimum. If you want
better weight savings why not go for an alloy block stroker? Same dimensions
as a stock windsor, but stronnger and lighter.

The front ends by toyzjunkie are out of production now IIRC, but Dale A is
now offering a replacement front setup i aam told, not sure on price or
weight saving

Tom Halls 5 speed would allow you to get a good 'box with minimal
modification to sheet metal and looks stock.

Just some thoughts.

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From spook01 at comcast.net  Fri Oct 16 20:45:44 2009
From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01 at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 02:45:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] bench building my tiger
In-Reply-To: <971201.1978.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <315867195.7016321255747544343.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

heck, it's your car. do what you like. if you build an alpine, you will suffer
endless abuse (alger) so just mod the real thing and have a good time.

rushid al-kubar, kar kutterB 



----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Somebody" <achd73 at yahoo.com>
To: tigers at autox.team.net, "DanielDoornbos" <daniel.doornbos at intel.com>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:11:15 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Tigers] bench building my tiger

Dan,
IF you are going to cut up your Tiger why not just build an Alger? You will
devalue the Tiger (IMO) and you can slowly replace the Tiger parts used on the
Alger and still have a Tiger to build as a stroker etc which wont devalue it
like cutting the firewall out will. I have a couple of nice S5 Alpines I
bought thinking along those lines- this isnt a sales pitch although health
problems have pretty much retired any Alpine being more than an orginal S5-
one w/ OD.

I think your idea is pretty good but the unwritten rule about" Do anything to
your Tiger you want(restomod) as long as it can be returned to stock
configuration"is a good guideline. Perhaps you would be able to rework the
firewall and tranny hump but I feel it would be worth as much as an Alger done
the same way while I dont see the Tiger holding its comparable value. You
might talk to Theo about the injection. I cant remember exactly what he has
installed but he is on top of his game and prolly as knowledgeabe as any
member wanting to add any type FIS. I have to find it but I will send a link
of a place that builds stroker engines. Another owner bought his engine there
and that's who I plan on buying from unless the prices have gone up
signifantly.
TtT

--- On Fri, 10/16/09, Doornbos, Daniel <daniel.doornbos at intel.com> wrote:

> From: Doornbos, Daniel <daniel.doornbos at intel.com>
> Subject: [Tigers] bench building my tiger
> To: "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 3:06 PM
> I'm going to get started on my car in
> the next year and it's not going to be a
> stock restoration. B I have been thinking a 331 stroker
> and some type of
> injection with a 5speed behind it. B I also think I'm
> going to fit a
> toyzjunkie.com cross member.
>
> Talking to a buddy he said crate engines are down in price
> these days, just
> like cars have been getting cheap. B Here is the 4.6l
> ford fully built for $7k.
> High ticket item in my book but when you tally all the
> extra parts on this
> thing it seems like a relative bargain.
>
http://www.jegs.com/i/Ford-Racing/397/M-6007A463NA/10002/-1&parentProductId=1
> 146100
>
> I think this is way more cutting than I want to do on my
> car to get it to fit
> under the fire wall. B But it has me thinking what if
> because this complete
> motor weighs about 50 lbs less than the original long
> block. B Probably a good
> 100lbs lighter than a finished motor.
>
> I know some folks have done some retrofits and fire wall
> cutting. B Does anyone
> have any pics of how they cut their firewall to fit a
> modern EFI? B Also anyone
> else running injection systems, and if so what kind and
> would you recommend
> it. B It appeals to me as being more efficient.
> Primarily I've been thinking
> about the Edelbrock multi-port FI Performer RPM, I think it
> would fit under
> the firewall with no modifications.
>
> dan
>
> Please let this be a distraction about the USPS vs UPS vs
> FEDEX vs ETC... that
> spiraled out of control just last month I don't want to go
> down that path
> again.
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From sganz at pacbell.net  Fri Oct 16 22:34:51 2009
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:34:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] bench building my tiger
In-Reply-To: <BAY119-DS83BDC5D847A843D06E19FC1C40@phx.gbl>
References: <4DC1D5C24579344988EB9E78C0BE581B5FE3A23600@rrsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
	<BAY119-DS83BDC5D847A843D06E19FC1C40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <441108.86487.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Steve is corret, the 4.6 is HUGE and unless your gutting the front chassis it
will not be an easy swap. The Mod motors IMO are not as good performing as a
straight up SBF. A 331+ is a good thing and you can make as much power with
these as you will ever need in a Tiger.  The modular motors may not be lighter
either, I think an alum head SBF may come in lighter when all said and done,
and I'll bet if you get a aluminum block SBF (I have one for my Tiger) your
money will be better spent as it will drop in. For EFI you can fit it to a
bunch of maifolds that would fit under the hood of the tiger but if you not
going to run stacks, a good built carb will works great. I have a TWM
injection manifold but it will require cutting the firewall up to fit, and
still not sure if it will go in the car. 

BTW CUT THE CAR UP IF YOU WANT TO
IT IS YOUR CAR! But please listen to people advice as it is a good car NOT to
cut up since they are getting very hard to come by and you can do a ton of
stuff that will fit in without chopping. Check out the tiger sites for what
people are doing, you can see some very cool ways to fix up the car and not
hack it up.

I have one of Mike's x-members and you should see if he is still
taking orders, he can give you all the info, but it is a very good mod as it
is totally reversable. 

Sandy



________________________________
From: Tiger
Man <Tigerman67 at hotmail.com>
To: "Doornbos, Daniel"
<daniel.doornbos at intel.com>; tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, October 16,
2009 2:55:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] bench building my tiger

While I am no
expert, someone once told me that while the 4.6l modular's have similar
displacement as a ford small block, they are significantly bigger in just
about every direction, and that is probably without whatever space the EFI
system would take.  I think for the sheer amount of time involved, that you
could probably be happier with something based on a ford small block.

I saw
Theo's EFI system from Retrotech at SUNI and thought it was slick system, I
would probably go with their latest version if I was going to do EFI.

The
other one that seems to be popular with the Replica Cobra guys is the mass flo
system  (they do a lot of advertising in that space), but that system uses
something like a standard carb based Victor Jr manifold that is drilled for
individual injectors and has fuel rails running above them, which I don't
think looks very period correct.

Steve




> I'm going to get started on my
car in the next year and it's not going to be a
> stock restoration.  I have
been thinking a 331 stroker and some type of
> injection with a 5speed behind
it.  I also think I'm going to fit a
> toyzjunkie.com cross member.
> 
>
Talking to a buddy he said crate engines are down in price these days, just
>
like cars have been getting cheap.  Here is the 4.6l ford fully built for $7k.
> High ticket item in my book but when you tally all the extra parts on this
>
thing it seems like a relative bargain.
>
http://www.jegs.com/i/Ford-Racing/397/M-6007A463NA/10002/-1&parentProductId=1
> 146100
> 
> I think this is way more cutting than I want to do on my car to
get it to fit
> under the fire wall.  But it has me thinking what if because
this complete
> motor weighs about 50 lbs less than the original long block. 
Probably a good
> 100lbs lighter than a finished motor.
> 
> I know some folks
have done some retrofits and fire wall cutting.  Does anyone
> have any pics
of how they cut their firewall to fit a modern EFI?  Also anyone
> else
running injection systems, and if so what kind and would you recommend
> it. 
It appeals to me as being more efficient.  Primarily I've been thinking
>
about the Edelbrock multi-port FI Performer RPM, I think it would fit under
>
the firewall with no modifications.
> 
> dan
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From daniel.doornbos at intel.com  Fri Oct 16 23:25:30 2009
From: daniel.doornbos at intel.com (Doornbos, Daniel)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:25:30 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] bench building my tiger
Message-ID: <4DC1D5C24579344988EB9E78C0BE581B5FE3A236C9@rrsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>

The reality is for $7k I'm not going to go the route of the mod motor both
because of the cost and the cutting required.  Thanks for all the info.  Gary
specifically I would appreciating getting your $2k stroker build plan.  I also
found a few stroker fox body Mustangs on Craig's list for ~4k.  This gets me
the motor and a 5sp.  Any motor from this kind of set up would need a new
induction system and a rebuild before install but still might come out
cheaper.  For laughs here is the link to the YouTube video a guy included in
the for sale of his car 347 stoker, $4500.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3J6YprL6Y4 .  Think this motor will needs
rebuild?

On another topic the best cutting story I remember was a fella from Florida
and original owner of his car (I believe).  He seemed to be changing his car
every few weeks.  The last iteration posted (to my recollection) moving the
fire wall back to fit a 351w or maybe a Ford big block and a 3sp auto.

dan

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 16 23:27:22 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:27:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re:  bench building my tiger
Message-ID: <454901.19394.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Sat, 10/17/09, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] bench building my tiger
> To: spook01 at comcast.net
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net, "DanielDoornbos" <daniel.doornbos at intel.com>
> Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 12:04 AM
> I have an Alger. Ive not suffered one
> word of abuse.People who see my Tiger with the hood up are
> eager to look, hear and ocassionaly be silly enough to ask
> me "will you let me drive it once"? The Alger has been on
> going for years. The shop in which it sets and to where more
> people have ask, "what kind of car is this", than anything
> else about te car. No on has ever had anything negative to
> say. More so, they ask if it really has a V8. Both cars
> create conversation and I would guess equally so.
> To reply to Rushid's statement about it being yours, do
> what you want. I agree and I agreee whole heartedly(is that
> a word?). It is yours to cut, crimp, bend or brake BUT to
> those of us who know what a histoic and valuable car the
> Tiger is, we have all sent the same message. I think I speak
> for most who wrote that its obvious you want a go fast Tiger
> and one that is different than everyone elses. I like that
> way of thinking. Its why Im buiing an Alger that will appear
> to be a Mk2 to anyone who doesnt know the front eyebrow isnt
> from a Mk2, eventho the gril is.That the 5.0 HO isnt a 289,
> eventho it says it is. You see I really woud like to own a
> Mk2 but when I coud afford one I didnt realize I should have
> bought 6 and now I cant afford one. My Alger will still be
> worth much more than it was as an Alpine. The orginal Tiger
> parts alone Ive been collecting for years will be equal to
> the value of the orginal Alpine I converted. Of course Im
> adding the cost of
>  the body work becuse I had it done proessionally. Im doing
> the
>  mechanics. Wish I had the patience and physical abilties
> to do body work.. N E ways, what I set out to say is we will
> welcome you and your Tiger, no matter what you decide to do
> to it. As a group we rather you not cut the firewall as you
> can put more HP under the hood than is safe to have, no
> matter if you have EFI or a carb, a 4 speed or a 5.I go back
> to my past statement tho. Do what you wish, just so you can
> return it to orginal, it will always be of value no matter
> what path you choose but keeping it in 'returnble to orginal
> condition', will keep its value as high as the market will
> offer. Of course you might plan on never selling the car and
> in that case, do whatever you like. I hope to live many more
> years and as long as I can drive, I plan on owning at least
> one Tiger and one HD as well. But having visited the other
> side once in my life Im aware that the end can come very
> unexpectedly and with that thought in mind, fix your car the
> way you want
>  it. Everyone at every United or car show or Friday nights
> local drive thru at the wal mart paking lot will be
> interested in looking under your bonnet and watching you
> melt the tires off as you leave. Good Luck, we all want to
> see the car drive no matter the road you choose.
> TonytheTiger

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sat Oct 17 00:07:04 2009
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:07:04 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] bench building my tiger
References: <4DC1D5C24579344988EB9E78C0BE581B5FE3A236C9@rrsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
Message-ID: <7722753D35F44F2AB07F253E50407B07@student2>

Dan,
 When I first got on this list in 2000 there was a guy from Florida with a 
351C in his Mark II Tiger. His name was James Barrett.  This is a link to 
his "Bio" at Tiger United.  Same guy?  Haven't seen him on the list in 
years.
http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/barrett_j/default.asp
Tom




> On another topic the best cutting story I remember was a fella from 
> Florida
> and original owner of his car (I believe).  He seemed to be changing his 
> car
> every few weeks.  The last iteration posted (to my recollection) moving 
> the
> fire wall back to fit a 351w or maybe a Ford big block and a 3sp auto.
>
> dan

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Oct 17 07:17:11 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:17:11 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] bench building my tiger
In-Reply-To: <4DC1D5C24579344988EB9E78C0BE581B5FE3A236C9@rrsmsx501.amr.corp.intel.com>
Message-ID: <847F5DF191D144D7AEF037B0DCCD60E7@ronpc1>

Dan
	It is your car to do as you please.   I'm in the keep it stock
group.  Your 1st email mentioned something about more efficient.   Not sure
of your meaning there.   I have a stock 260, 2bbl, 4 spd and I'm getting
around 28 MPG and I'm pushing for more; I call that efficient.  If your
looking for more HP then a stroker kit is the ticket.

	Since you have been on the list for some time you know that the
Mustang 5 sp needs Tom Hall's kit for a real nice fit.  I was looking at the
possibility of translating the shifter motion of the Mustang stock 5 sp to
the stock Tiger location but never completed the work.  No parts to measure
and other commitments cancelled my activity on that subject.

	Jim Barrett had a 351 in his Tiger.  Seems to me he was having back
and leg problems and was going to swap in an automatic transmission.   I
don't think the List has heard from him since.

Keep your questions and ideas coming; we're here to help or at least give an
opinion or 2.

If you have the Original engine in your Tiger; I would be interested in the
casting numbers and date codes on that engine for my Original Tiger Engine
Study.   Contact me off List for more information.

Ron Fraser



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Doornbos, Daniel
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:26 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] bench building my tiger


The reality is for $7k I'm not going to go the route of the mod motor both
because of the cost and the cutting required.  Thanks for all the info.
Gary specifically I would appreciating getting your $2k stroker build plan.
I also found a few stroker fox body Mustangs on Craig's list for ~4k.  This
gets me the motor and a 5sp.  Any motor from this kind of set up would need
a new induction system and a rebuild before install but still might come out
cheaper.  For laughs here is the link to the YouTube video a guy included in
the for sale of his car 347 stoker, $4500.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3J6YprL6Y4 .  Think this motor will needs
rebuild?

On another topic the best cutting story I remember was a fella from Florida
and original owner of his car (I believe).  He seemed to be changing his car
every few weeks.  The last iteration posted (to my recollection) moving the
fire wall back to fit a 351w or maybe a Ford big block and a 3sp auto.

dan
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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Sat Oct 17 11:53:26 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:53:26 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] bench building my tiger
In-Reply-To: <7722753D35F44F2AB07F253E50407B07@student2>
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Message-ID: <4ADA0496.9010302@SoCal.rr.com>

Yes, Tom,

That is the Jim Barrett we all know about through his articles on 
TigersUnited.com.  Try the "SEARCH" magnifying glass on the upper right 
headline banner of every TU page.

  Type "BARRETT"

in the PicoSearch "Find" window and you will get links to 26 site pages 
that he is quoted, or wrote.

Steve

___
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<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



Thomas Witt wrote:
> Dan,
> When I first got on this list in 2000 there was a guy from Florida 
> with a 351C in his Mark II Tiger. His name is James Barrett.  This is 
> a link to his "Bio" at Tiger United.  Same guy?  Haven't seen him on 
> the list in years.
> http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/barrett_j/default.asp
> Tom

From scattt at verizon.net  Sat Oct 17 19:01:10 2009
From: scattt at verizon.net (Scattt)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:01:10 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] bench building my tiger
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If any of you ever saw Barretts car you would not be impressed. It looks 
like he cut the entire firewall all the way back to the rear of the hood and 
used 1x1 box metal to the end of the frame horns to brace the front end. It 
was a real hatchet job! Just my 2 cents worth.
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Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] bench building my tiger


> Dan,
> When I first got on this list in 2000 there was a guy from Florida with a 
> 351C in his Mark II Tiger. His name was James Barrett.  This is a link to 
> his "Bio" at Tiger United.  Same guy?  Haven't seen him on the list in 
> years.
> http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/barrett_j/default.asp
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>> On another topic the best cutting story I remember was a fella from 
>> Florida
>> and original owner of his car (I believe).  He seemed to be changing his 
>> car
>> every few weeks.  The last iteration posted (to my recollection) moving 
>> the
>> fire wall back to fit a 351w or maybe a Ford big block and a 3sp auto.
>>
>> dan
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From hokey at oasisol.com  Sat Oct 17 20:55:12 2009
From: hokey at oasisol.com (Mike Hokanson)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:55:12 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Front Crossmembers
Message-ID: <03B716BD4DD94543918A360BD5AD9CB7@iggy>

The front ends by toyzjunkie are out of production now IIRC

I am currently finishing one suspension unit to go to the California Bay Area
and another that's going to Portland.  I have been busy with a lot of
different projects, but have been in contact with a fewTiger owners who have
seriously inquired about it.  As long as someone desires to have one, I'll
still build it.

Mike Hokanson

From dsmtjoy at cox.net  Sun Oct 18 14:44:06 2009
From: dsmtjoy at cox.net (Mountjoy)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:44:06 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 416
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Message-ID: <99D61CD507834CDD8A4F4F1CBB99695D@computer>

Thanks, Mike, for your support of the Tiger community.

Darrell Mountjoy

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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:55:12 -0700
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The front ends by toyzjunkie are out of production now IIRC

I am currently finishing one suspension unit to go to the California Bay 
Area
and another that's going to Portland.  I have been busy with a lot of
different projects, but have been in contact with a fewTiger owners who have
seriously inquired about it.  As long as someone desires to have one, I'll
still build it.

Mike Hokanson

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 19:54:38 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:54:38 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Crane ignition + dizzy
Message-ID: <d86d088a0910181854x4c6be4d8s6ee5ad301c142360@mail.gmail.com>

I know a few people run the Crane igntion control units on their cars, does
anyone have any experience with the distributors?

I was thinking this:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CRN-1000-1601/

thoughts?

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From v8tracker at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 22:36:22 2009
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 23:36:22 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Crane ignition + dizzy
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a0910181854x4c6be4d8s6ee5ad301c142360@mail.gmail.com>
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Michael,

I don't know anything about the product, but, considering long range
service, I would ask if Crane has reopened and gotten their financial
situation in order.

A. C. Tynes
New Orleans

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 8:55 PM
> To: Tiger Talk List Tiger
> Subject: [Tigers] Crane ignition + dizzy
> 
> I know a few people run the Crane igntion control units on 
> their cars, does anyone have any experience with the distributors?
> 
> I was thinking this:
> 
> http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CRN-1000-1601/
> 
> thoughts?
> 
> --
> Regards
> 
> Michael King
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From Carmods at aol.com  Mon Oct 19 06:54:46 2009
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:54:46 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Crane ignition + dizzy
Message-ID: <c2b.40e60ab1.380dbb96@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/18/2009 10:17:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
michael.s.king at gmail.com writes:

know a  few people run the Crane ignition control units on their cars, does
anyone  have any experience with the distributors?



The Crane company has gone out of business. Who is handling their  
distributors?
 
John Logan

From sganz at pacbell.net  Mon Oct 19 09:26:27 2009
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:26:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Crane ignition + dizzy
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Why not just MSD? I want to say industry standard but might cause an uproar
here...

Sandy




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Sent:
Monday, October 19, 2009 5:54:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crane ignition +
dizzy

In a message dated 10/18/2009 10:17:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
michael.s.king at gmail.com writes:

know a  few people run the Crane ignition
control units on their cars, does
anyone  have any experience with the
distributors?



The Crane company has gone out of business. Who is handling
their  
distributors?

John Logan
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Oct 19 10:05:32 2009
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:05:32 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Crane ignition + dizzy
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You know what irks me about MSD? They don't make all of their
distributors available with either a steel gear or an iron gear. If
you're running a roller cam and you want vacuum advance you have NO
options except to pull the gear off a brand new distributor and then
replace it. Otherwise I've been totally happy with all of the MSD
products I've bought and would recommend them as the go-to source for
ignition related stuff.

I have a brand-new 8503 E-curve distributor, still in the box, and I'm
loath to do the gear R&R, but at this point I don't think I'll ever
build a non-roller engine that won't also require an OEM Ford
distributor (i.e., a concours motor). Make me an offer.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz
> Sent: October 19, 2009 9:26 AM
> To: Carmods at aol.com; michael.s.king at gmail.com; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crane ignition + dizzy
>
> Why not just MSD? I want to say industry standard but might
> cause an uproar here...
>
> Sandy

From gswaybright at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 19 13:38:57 2009
From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:38:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] collector insurance - more than Tiger related
Message-ID: <111079.56761.qm@web31405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I currently have my Tiger and Jensen Interceptor on a policy with Heacock Classic. I would like to move my '91 Miata to a collector car policy to save some $$$ as I drive it less than 2000 miles/year ever since I moved North to upstate NY 3 years ago. It's stored hiding from road salt 5-6 mo/year, and I work from home (at least I did up until I was "downsized" in July).

Heacock will not cover the '91 Miata. Does anyone know of other collector car companies that would like to pick up my Tiger and the Interceptor business by also covering my Miata?

Alternatively, any good tech product executive job leads might help me worry less about saving a couple hundred bucks.

Stephen Waybright
www.linkedin.com/in/gswaybright

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Mon Oct 19 15:14:19 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:14:19 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Crane ignition + dizzy
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a0910181854x4c6be4d8s6ee5ad301c142360@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d86d088a0910181854x4c6be4d8s6ee5ad301c142360@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ADCD6AB.90609@SoCal.rr.com>

Michael and Tigers,

I have used the Pertronix "Ignitor II" points replacement kit inside the 
stock Tiger Ford distributer. I handles all the switching with 
solid-state circuitry, and you never have to clean, adjust, or replace 
the points or capacitor unit as the stock points would require.  
Additionally, I found a tuner that still has a "Sun" distributor 
tester.  He was able to adjust the spring tension (hence the advance 
curve weight, with the proper spring  pair.  These spring kits come with 
an assortment of springs.

An adapter for the Sun unit is needed for solid state switching, but he 
had it.

Now, the distributor, cap, and silicone spark wires all look stock, but 
perform well.

To get a stronger spark, the Pertronix company also sell a 
"Flame-Thrower II" HOT ignition coil with a 0.6 ohm coil primary that 
increases spark to 45,000 volts.  If you don't like the chrome housing, 
you can paint it black! I isn't $320 + electronic spark, and an obvious 
add-on + electronic module ($182).

Summit also sells Pertronix Solid State Ignition Systems 91281 ($100), 
and the Flamethrower II Chrome #45001 for $42, and the black one #45011 
for $34

http://www.summitracing.com/search/?keyword=Ignitor%20II&dds=1

Works great.  I used a replacement electronic ignition on my new 1954 
Jaguar XK120M, and I stopped having to change spark plugs every 2,000 
miles!  it was a solid state capacitive discharge (CDI) box that solved 
an annoying problem.  Maybe the first electronic ignition system, 
traceable back to Bosch.

http://www.molla.org/DIY-CDI/SC-DIY-CDI-article-hires.pdf

Bought another one for my 1959 Porsche.

"May the Spark Be With You"

Steve

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michael king wrote:
> I know a few people run the Crane igntion control units on their cars, does
> anyone have any experience with the distributors?
>
> I was thinking this:
>
> http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CRN-1000-1601/
>
> thoughts?

From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Oct 19 18:51:44 2009
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:51:44 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
Message-ID: <c1c.66ab51e3.380e63a0@aol.com>

There's one for sale on Craigs List. Doesn't say if  it's the #1 or #2 
model. I know nothing about it other than what's in the  ad.
 
_http://burlington.craigslist.org/pts/1428218092.html_ 
(http://burlington.craigslist.org/pts/1428218092.html) 

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Tue Oct 20 12:07:00 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:07:00 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <c1c.66ab51e3.380e63a0@aol.com>
References: <c1c.66ab51e3.380e63a0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4ADDFC44.3000001@SoCal.rr.com>

Mark, Michael, et a,

I do have the original Ignitor II (2), with part number 91281.  The one 
pictured is NOT the "-II", but the earlier version.  I have used BOTH, 
and they all work well.

Get the hot coil with hit.

Steve

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CoolVT at aol.com wrote:
> There's one for sale on Craigs List. Doesn't say if  it's the #1 or #2 
> model. I know nothing about it other than what's in the  ad.
>  
> _http://burlington.craigslist.org/pts/1428218092.html_ 
> (http://burlington.craigslist.org/pts/1428218092.html)  

From CoolVT at aol.com  Tue Oct 20 12:09:57 2009
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:09:57 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
Message-ID: <cd9.5de1ca1b.380f56f5@aol.com>

I think someone has said that the version I can burn  out if the ignition 
is mistakenly left on for a few minutes.  I have the  version II also.
Mark L
 
 
In a message dated 10/20/2009 2:07:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com writes:

Mark,  Michael, et a,

I do have the original Ignitor II (2), with part number  91281.  The one 
pictured is NOT the "-II", but the earlier  version.  I have used BOTH, 
and they all work well.

Get the  hot coil with hit.

Steve

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CoolVT at aol.com  wrote:
> There's one for sale on Craigs List. Doesn't say if  it's  the #1 or #2 
> model. I know nothing about it other than what's in  the  ad.
>  
>  _http://burlington.craigslist.org/pts/1428218092.html_ 
>  (http://burlington.craigslist.org/pts/1428218092.html)   

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Tue Oct 20 12:39:15 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:39:15 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Ignitor Low-Down
Message-ID: <4ADE03D3.9050107@SoCal.rr.com>

With the discussion of ignition systems, I checked out the Pertronix web 
site, which has the tech details of the Ignitor (I) as well as the 
Ignitor II AND Ignitor III.  I didn't even know that had yet another model.

Ignitor:   

<http://pertronix.com/prod/ig/ignitor/default.aspx>

Ignitor II:

<http://pertronix.com/prod/ig/ignitor2/default.aspx>

Ignitor III

<http://pertronix.com/prod/ig/ignitor3/default.aspx>

as well as the "Hot Coils"

They sell them at full retail, as well.  

"You pay your money, and you make your choice!"

Steve


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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Oct 20 13:30:36 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:30:36 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Ignitor Low-Down
In-Reply-To: <4ADE03D3.9050107@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8F1E3A550DDE4073A0501B9D2511EA8A@ronpc1>

Steve
	I was unaware of the Ignitor III also; great find.

Did not Crane or Accel have a similar looking unit with Rev limiter?

Ron Fraser



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Steve Laifman
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:39 PM
To: Tiger's Den; Mark L.; michael king
Subject: [Tigers] Ignitor Low-Down


With the discussion of ignition systems, I checked out the Pertronix web 
site, which has the tech details of the Ignitor (I) as well as the 
Ignitor II AND Ignitor III.  I didn't even know that had yet another model.

Ignitor:   

<http://pertronix.com/prod/ig/ignitor/default.aspx>

Ignitor II:

<http://pertronix.com/prod/ig/ignitor2/default.aspx>

Ignitor III

<http://pertronix.com/prod/ig/ignitor3/default.aspx>

as well as the "Hot Coils"

They sell them at full retail, as well.  

"You pay your money, and you make your choice!"

Steve


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From walmenke at bigpond.net.au  Wed Oct 21 05:41:35 2009
From: walmenke at bigpond.net.au (Wally Menke)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:41:35 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Crane ignition + dizzy
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Hi Sandy

My small piece of uproar 8-)

I wouldn't touch MSD with a barge poll after buying a new 6AL ignition unit
that didn't work properly from day 1. Sent it back for testing and was told
it worked perfectly every time. Now run a Crane HI 6 which runs like it's
supposed to. MSD is 60's technology. Anyone want to buy an as new 6AL? Going
cheap.

Wally Menke
Melbourne, Aust.


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz
Sent: Tuesday, 20 October 2009 2:26 AM
To: Carmods at aol.com; michael.s.king at gmail.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crane ignition + dizzy

Why not just MSD? I want to say industry standard but might cause an uproar
here...

Sandy

From sganz at pacbell.net  Wed Oct 21 09:33:27 2009
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:33:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Crane ignition + dizzy
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Wally 

I had only run a 6A a long long time ago (1980's), and have only used
the 6-Digital's in cars  and have had very good luck so far. The old ones are
old technology and not sure if they ever did a redo on them. I think they are
the only ignition allowed in Nascar but they are allowed 2 units in the cars
so that may say something ;) And anything that uses a pill for rev limit is
not anything I want, the digital stuff lets you set and forget.

The funny
thing is that off of ebay I was looking for some garage junk and found someone
selling a MSD countertop display where they have a MSD 6 and a large electrode
and you can rev it up and switch between the regular ignition and MSD, got it
for fun but might have some use for testing units as it seems some are
problematic.. The HI6 was designed by one of the MSD engineers was the rumor,
and if not by Crane I would have got one to try.

Sandy


[snip]

From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Wed Oct 21 15:15:43 2009
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:15:43 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Crane ignition + dizzy
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a0910181854x4c6be4d8s6ee5ad301c142360@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d86d088a0910181854x4c6be4d8s6ee5ad301c142360@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7C1CE154A37A42F697046D769B19FB03@jerry>

Michael,

If you "properly curve" your own distributor (I'm assuming Ford), it will
perform just as well as MSD, DUI, Pertronics, or Crane, or any other high-
dollar distributor on the market.  Save for the new e-distributors, but
there you're doing the same thing, but only with the computer.

Save your bucks, but do use the electronic point replacers - Crane,
Pertronics, etc.  I've installed two of the Pertronics III for friends, and
they seem to be just fine. They also have some kind of multispark on the
Pertronics III. They also have a clever way of setting the revlimiter.

Good luck. 

Jerry Christopherson
9473187

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of michael king
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 8:55 PM
To: Tiger Talk List Tiger
Subject: [Tigers] Crane ignition + dizzy

I know a few people run the Crane igntion control units on their cars, does
anyone have any experience with the distributors?

I was thinking this:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CRN-1000-1601/

thoughts?

-- 
Regards

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From drmoonstone at aol.com  Wed Oct 21 16:54:10 2009
From: drmoonstone at aol.com (drmoonstone at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:54:10 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Crane ignition + dizzy
In-Reply-To: <001001ca5243$716bb110$54431330$@net.au>
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I've had nothing but great experience with MSD. Unfortunately, all
systems fail and some desk jockey can decide based on how he feels that
day to either offer good customer support or blow it off.

Moonstone

-----Original Message-----
From: Wally Menke <walmenke at bigpond.net.au>
To: 'Sandy Ganz' <sganz at pacbell.net>; tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, Oct 21, 2009 4:41 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crane ignition + dizzy

Hi Sandy

My small piece of uproar 8-)

I wouldn't touch MSD with a barge poll after buying a new 6AL ignition
unit
that didn't work properly from day 1. Sent it back for testing and was
told
it worked perfectly every time. Now run a Crane HI 6 which runs like
it's
supposed to. MSD is 60's technology. Anyone want to buy an as new 6AL?
Going
cheap.

Wally Menke
Melbourne, Aust.


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 From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
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On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz
Sent: Tuesday, 20 October 2009 2:26 AM
To: Carmods at aol.com; michael.s.king at gmail.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crane ignition + dizzy

Why not just MSD? I want to say industry standard but might cause an
uproar
here...

Sandy
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From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Wed Oct 21 18:29:09 2009
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:29:09 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] msd ignition
Message-ID: <003a01ca52ae$abfa1180$0301a8c0@chesapeake4>

I haven't used any of their units,  but Nascar does...notice that they have
two systems on each car and it seems like atleast one car every race is
changing from one box to the other,  maybe one failed maybe not,  but if they
don't last for 500 miles I'm not interested.....I had my original yellow top
coil fail and leave me to the tow truck,  I had reservations about keeping the
original unit,  now it's in the trash,  Clyde

From geowiz.sgy at cox.net  Wed Oct 21 21:17:56 2009
From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:17:56 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires
Message-ID: <0A30239EAFDB46EE847DEAB62ED76F22@JEPHome>

I've got my wired crossed.  Are the front turn signals yellow or white?
Currently I have one of each!

Jim Pickard
B9473298 ('65 Tiger)
AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold
2003 Mini Cooper
Lafayette, LA

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 21:40:44 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:40:44 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires
In-Reply-To: <0A30239EAFDB46EE847DEAB62ED76F22@JEPHome>
References: <0A30239EAFDB46EE847DEAB62ED76F22@JEPHome>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0910212040w2b4e5f90tb5dc5309e00e80bf@mail.gmail.com>

If you mean front indicator lamps.. generally they are orange and on
canadian cars clear? most ran orange

2009/10/22 James E. Pickard <geowiz.sgy at cox.net>

> I've got my wired crossed.  Are the front turn signals yellow or white?
> Currently I have one of each!
>
> Jim Pickard
> B9473298 ('65 Tiger)
> AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold
> 2003 Mini Cooper
> Lafayette, LA
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Oct 21 22:01:25 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:01:25 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires
In-Reply-To: <0A30239EAFDB46EE847DEAB62ED76F22@JEPHome>
Message-ID: <DA5CF26BAFB146B688FA1091B715F6CE@ronpc1>

Jim
	I'm confused!
First you state "got my wires crossed"; front turn signals are green/white
wire for RH and green/red wire for LH.

Next you ask if the front turn signals are yellow or White; your asking
about the lenses right?

Front turn lenses are either Amber or white, your chose.  
The 2 colors are most likely due to DMV regulation in different countries.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of James E. Pickard
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:18 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires


I've got my wired crossed.  Are the front turn signals yellow or white?
Currently I have one of each!

Jim Pickard
B9473298 ('65 Tiger)
AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold
2003 Mini Cooper
Lafayette, LA
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From twotigers at verizon.net  Wed Oct 21 22:49:52 2009
From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:49:52 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] crossed wires
Message-ID: <001001ca52d3$18659cd0$2f01a8c0@smith>

Hope this simplifies it for you...I just went out and turned mine on.  White
lenses should light for the running lights, amber lenses blink with the turn
signals.  Sounds like you have one side wired one way and the other side wired
the opposite.

Kirk
B382000503

From geowiz.sgy at cox.net  Thu Oct 22 05:31:45 2009
From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 06:31:45 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] crossed wires
In-Reply-To: <001001ca52d3$18659cd0$2f01a8c0@smith>
References: <001001ca52d3$18659cd0$2f01a8c0@smith>
Message-ID: <6CE967D501E94EF8859783A6384A5CFA@JEPHome>

Exactly!  But not remembering which was the turn indicators, I didn't know 
which wires to switch.  Thanks!

Jim
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kirk Smith" <twotigers at verizon.net>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] crossed wires


> Hope this simplifies it for you...I just went out and turned mine on. 
> White
> lenses should light for the running lights, amber lenses blink with the 
> turn
> signals.  Sounds like you have one side wired one way and the other side 
> wired
> the opposite.
>
> Kirk
> B382000503

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 07:33:25 2009
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:33:25 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] crossed wires
In-Reply-To: <39a841b0910220633p2234e343ua99d09d95d5afbe8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001001ca52d3$18659cd0$2f01a8c0@smith>
	<6CE967D501E94EF8859783A6384A5CFA@JEPHome>
	<39a841b0910220633p2234e343ua99d09d95d5afbe8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b0910220633i61eb4f60sca1d7c77c582c46@mail.gmail.com>

yep, all british cars require flashing orange indicators front and rear and
white 'side' lights that come on one stage prior to headlights along with
the rear red lights.  the side lights don't really serve any purpose but are
a legal requirement.

that's why the sunbeam is set up like this.  of course since US cars usually
have red indicators on the rear all-red lenses are available which maybe
look cleaner but would not be legal in the UK.  i've never seen any other
arrangement at the front other than the white side light on the inside and
orange flasher on the outside.

does anyone know if the US cars were sold from the dealer with all-red rear
plastic or if that is something that came along later?


On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 6:31 AM, James E. Pickard <geowiz.sgy at cox.net>wrote:

> Exactly!  But not remembering which was the turn indicators, I didn't know
> which wires to switch.  Thanks!
>
> Jim
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Smith" <twotigers at verizon.net>
> To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] crossed wires
>
>
>
>  Hope this simplifies it for you...I just went out and turned mine on.
>> White
>> lenses should light for the running lights, amber lenses blink with the
>> turn
>> signals.  Sounds like you have one side wired one way and the other side
>> wired
>> the opposite.
>>
>> Kirk
>> B382000503
>>
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From awtiger at cox.net  Thu Oct 22 08:07:04 2009
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:07:04 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] crossed wires
In-Reply-To: <39a841b0910220633i61eb4f60sca1d7c77c582c46@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091022100704.TWPN8.434564.imail@eastrmwml41>

---- Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com> wrote: 
> yep, all british cars require flashing orange indicators front and rear and
> white 'side' lights that come on one stage prior to headlights along with
> the rear red lights.  

Please excuse me if this question has already been addressed...I came into this thread late.  

I may be dreaming, but I would swear that I have seen clear front turn signal lenses for Series IV-V Alpines and all Tigers.  As has been discussed, the lenses I'm referring to are typically amber in color, but I would swear that I saw a pair for sale not too long ago on Ebay that were clear.  Does anyone know what the deal is or have I just finally lost my mind?

Thanks,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740)
B9006857LRX

From rande at thecia.net  Thu Oct 22 08:19:22 2009
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:19:22 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] lights
Message-ID: <4ae069ea.14dc.0@thecia.net>

As you may know, the States have something called DRL's(daytime running lights)
which most recently made cars sold here have. They work automatically when the
ignition is on, they project just from the front, and depending on which brand
of car, can be amber though most are white.

The amber rear turn signal lenses on Alpine /  Tigers are a popular change,
even though our cars imported here originally were red, as you know. Personally,
I like the amber rear lenses(I installed them on my car) because I think they're
more visible,and anything that helps folks driving behind me notice my intentions
quicker is a good thing.

RB

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Oct 22 08:42:08 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:42:08 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] crossed wires
In-Reply-To: <39a841b0910220633i61eb4f60sca1d7c77c582c46@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D949DA8327A54AE082856815E6E355B0@ronpc1>

Owain
	The Rootes Alpine Parts List indicates that the Red tail lens for
the rear flasher as USA and Canada.

The front flasher lens listed; clear and amber; no country distinction.

I believe here in the USA that amber is required for the front flasher and
red or amber can be used for the rear flasher.   This is governed by each
State's DMV regulations.

I prefer the Amber front flasher lens as opposed to a clear lens with an
Amber bulb.

I considered the Amber tail lens at one time but opted to stay with red and
changed the flasher bulb holder to a 2 filament bulb holder so the whole
tail light would light up at night.

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 9:33 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] crossed wires


yep, all british cars require flashing orange indicators front and rear and
white 'side' lights that come on one stage prior to headlights along with
the rear red lights.  the side lights don't really serve any purpose but are
a legal requirement.

that's why the sunbeam is set up like this.  of course since US cars usually
have red indicators on the rear all-red lenses are available which maybe
look cleaner but would not be legal in the UK.  i've never seen any other
arrangement at the front other than the white side light on the inside and
orange flasher on the outside.

does anyone know if the US cars were sold from the dealer with all-red rear
plastic or if that is something that came along later?

From CoolVT at aol.com  Thu Oct 22 08:54:12 2009
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:54:12 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] lights
Message-ID: <ca1.65598c0d.3811cc14@aol.com>

"I think they're more visible,and anything that helps folks  driving behind 
me notice my intentions
quicker is a good thing."
 
Especially when you consider where those gas tanks are  setting.  A 
"rear-ender" can be a real no-no.
Mark L

From bob_diehl at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 22 09:31:37 2009
From: bob_diehl at earthlink.net (Bob Diehl)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:31:37 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] lights
In-Reply-To: <ca1.65598c0d.3811cc14@aol.com>
References: <ca1.65598c0d.3811cc14@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E1N0zdi-0006LD-Gn@elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Anybody have a story of a Sunbeam going up like a Pinto?

bob_diehl

At 07:54 AM 10/22/2009, CoolVT at aol.com wrote:
>"I think they're more visible,and anything that helps folks  driving behind
>me notice my intentions
>quicker is a good thing."
>
>Especially when you consider where those gas tanks are  setting.  A
>"rear-ender" can be a real no-no.


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From Greg.Koss at TRW.COM  Thu Oct 22 09:56:28 2009
From: Greg.Koss at TRW.COM (Greg Koss)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:56:28 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] lights
In-Reply-To: <E1N0zdi-0006LD-Gn@elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <ca1.65598c0d.3811cc14@aol.com>
	<E1N0zdi-0006LD-Gn@elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4AE0486D.880C.0076.0@TRW.COM>

More Vegas went up than Pintos!

>>> Bob Diehl <bob_diehl at earthlink.net> 10/22/2009 11:31 AM >>>
Anybody have a story of a Sunbeam going up like a Pinto?

bob_diehl

At 07:54 AM 10/22/2009, CoolVT at aol.com wrote:
>"I think they're more visible,and anything that helps folks  driving behind
>me notice my intentions
>quicker is a good thing."
>
>Especially when you consider where those gas tanks are  setting.  A
>"rear-ender" can be a real no-no.

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Thu Oct 22 09:59:11 2009
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:59:11 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] lights
References: <ca1.65598c0d.3811cc14@aol.com>
	<E1N0zdi-0006LD-Gn@elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8A96A2CFABFF4EA7A59973D6D4CB6693@student2>

>>>Anybody have a story of a Sunbeam going up like a Pinto?<<<

Personally, no. But I own one of each (the Pinto with a 2.3 Turbo/T-5 out of 
an '88 T-bird).

I guess you could say I'm "playing with fire."  On the other hand both cars 
should be fast enough to stay ahead of the flame front. :-)

Tom 

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Thu Oct 22 10:08:56 2009
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:08:56 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] lights
In-Reply-To: <E1N0zdi-0006LD-Gn@elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <ca1.65598c0d.3811cc14@aol.com>
	<E1N0zdi-0006LD-Gn@elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019055CC@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

Last May, about a week after first getting my Tiger back together and
doing some road tests, I had to take it apart to rebuild the clutch
release bearing. So it was jacked up on all four corners and the front
crossmember and engine were out - i.e. it was really not movable in any
practical way.
I leave for work and noticed a bit of a gasoline smell in the garage. I
looked under the Tiger, expecting some drips from the disconnected fuel
line at the engine compartment, but didn't see anything there. So I go
to work. When I got home, the gas smell was a lot stronger, and the
source was now evident: I had a four-foot diameter puddle of gas under
the rear of the car and it was starting to migrate towards the garage
door. An epoxy-painted floor doesn't absorb much. I opened the trunk lid
and found that the entire rear valence had flooded with gasoline, and it
was seeping between the body seams into the trunk (wrecking the paint
and undercoat there) as well as into the space underneath each of the
fuel tanks. There was maybe a couple of liters of fuel pooled in the
back of the car, but the tanks were about half full and so there was
potential for a lot more.

Some investigation revealed that the hose connections between the fuel
tank and the crossover pipes had either slipped or else I'd installed
them off-center to begin with. The hose pieces were new and the tank
ends and pipes had been painted. Maybe that all contributed to the
slippage. Anyway, I backed off the hose clamps (unleashing another flood
of fuel) then repositioned the hoses and tightened the clamps. Cleaned
it all up with a bunch of kitty litter.

Not exactly a Pinto moment, but lots of potential for disaster anyway.
Make sure your hose clamps are tight after you replace those old hoses.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Diehl
> Sent: October 22, 2009 9:32 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] lights
>
> Anybody have a story of a Sunbeam going up like a Pinto?
>
> bob_diehl

From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 22 10:25:10 2009
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:25:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] lights
In-Reply-To: <E1N0zdi-0006LD-Gn@elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <204095.33034.qm@web111620.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Surprisingly the gas tanks and fuel pipes don't seem to be prone
to fires.  Even Uncle Wally's rear ender (where the hit was so hard
that the motor mounts broke) didn't leak.  The tanks aren't exposed
with pintos or vegas, but are inside a metal cavity.  Pehaps  this
gives them some protection.
 
I have seen the results of a leaking fuel pump over the muffler.  The
fire burned the interior passenger compartment but not the outside
sheet metal.
 
Dave

--- On Thu, 10/22/09, Bob Diehl <bob_diehl at earthlink.net> wrote:


From: Bob Diehl <bob_diehl at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] lights
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 3:31 PM


Anybody have a story of a Sunbeam going up like a Pinto?

bob_diehl

At 07:54 AM 10/22/2009, CoolVT at aol.com wrote:
>"I think they're more visible,and anything that helps folks  driving behind
>me notice my intentions
>quicker is a good thing."
>
>Especially when you consider where those gas tanks are  setting.  A
>"rear-ender" can be a real no-no.


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From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 22 10:27:08 2009
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:27:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires
In-Reply-To: <0A30239EAFDB46EE847DEAB62ED76F22@JEPHome>
Message-ID: <253613.40831.qm@web111619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

For those of us with outside screw taillights (MK IA/II), I don't
think amber outside upper lenses were available.
 
Dave

--- On Thu, 10/22/09, James E. Pickard <geowiz.sgy at cox.net> wrote:


From: James E. Pickard <geowiz.sgy at cox.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 3:17 AM


I've got my wired crossed.  Are the front turn signals yellow or white?
Currently I have one of each!

Jim Pickard
B9473298 ('65 Tiger)
AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold
2003 Mini Cooper
Lafayette, LA
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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 10:55:09 2009
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:55:09 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires
In-Reply-To: <253613.40831.qm@web111619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <0A30239EAFDB46EE847DEAB62ED76F22@JEPHome>
	<253613.40831.qm@web111619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b0910220955m50efdeefr28893cb8516d5343@mail.gmail.com>

you can just drill them.

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:27 AM, David T Johnson <djoh797014 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> For those of us with outside screw taillights (MK IA/II), I don't
> think amber outside upper lenses were available.
>
> Dave
>
> --- On Thu, 10/22/09, James E. Pickard <geowiz.sgy at cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: James E. Pickard <geowiz.sgy at cox.net>
> Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 3:17 AM
>
>
> I've got my wired crossed.  Are the front turn signals yellow or white?
> Currently I have one of each!
>
> Jim Pickard
> B9473298 ('65 Tiger)
> AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold
> 2003 Mini Cooper
> Lafayette, LA
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Thu Oct 22 10:55:50 2009
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:55:50 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] lights
Message-ID: <c87.5cd34944.3811e896@aol.com>

I noticed that my original metal pipes in that area  had some kind of tape 
marking where the rubber pipes have to align on the metal  pipe. Without 
some kind of marking it is pretty hard to tell how far to slide  the rubber on 
to the metal. Slide on too far and the opposite end will come  up short, 
resulting in a possible leak.
Mark L
 
 
Theo.Smit at dynastream.com writes:

Last  May, about a week after first getting my Tiger back together and
doing some  road tests, I had to take it apart to rebuild the clutch
release bearing.  So it was jacked up on all four corners and the front
crossmember and  engine were out - i.e. it was really not movable in any
practical way.
I  leave for work and noticed a bit of a gasoline smell in the garage.  I
looked under the Tiger, expecting some drips from the disconnected  fuel
line at the engine compartment, but didn't see anything there. So I  go
to work. When I got home, the gas smell was a lot stronger, and  the
source was now evident: I had a four-foot diameter puddle of gas  under
the rear of the car and it was starting to migrate towards the  garage
door. An epoxy-painted floor doesn't absorb much. I opened the trunk  lid
and found that the entire rear valence had flooded with gasoline, and  it
was seeping between the body seams into the trunk (wrecking the  paint
and undercoat there) as well as into the space underneath each of  the
fuel tanks. There was maybe a couple of liters of fuel pooled in  the
back of the car, but the tanks were about half full and so there  was
potential for a lot more.

Some investigation revealed that the  hose connections between the fuel
tank and the crossover pipes had either  slipped or else I'd installed
them off-center to begin with. The hose  pieces were new and the tank
ends and pipes had been painted. Maybe that  all contributed to the
slippage. Anyway, I backed off the hose clamps  (unleashing another flood
of fuel) then repositioned the hoses and  tightened the clamps. Cleaned
it all up with a bunch of kitty  litter.

Not exactly a Pinto moment, but lots of potential for disaster  anyway.
Make sure your hose clamps are tight after you replace those old  hoses.

Theo

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Thu Oct 22 11:00:51 2009
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:00:51 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] lights
In-Reply-To: <c87.5cd34944.3811e896@aol.com>
References: <c87.5cd34944.3811e896@aol.com>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019055CD@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

Oh great. Here come the concours guys!

What kind of tape is it? How wide? How far up each pipe? Is it wound
clockwise or anticlockwise? How much overwrap? After 40 years, how much
should be peeling off?

;)

Theo


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	From: CoolVT at aol.com [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com]
	Sent: October 22, 2009 10:56 AM
	To: Smit, Theo; bob_diehl at earthlink.net; tigers at autox.team.net
	Subject: Re: [Tigers] lights



	I noticed that my original metal pipes in that area had some
kind of tape marking where the rubber pipes have to align on the metal
pipe. Without some kind of marking it is pretty hard to tell how far to
slide the rubber on to the metal. Slide on too far and the opposite end
will come up short, resulting in a possible leak.
	Mark L

	 Theo.Smit at dynastream.com writes:

		Last May, about a week after first getting my Tiger back
together and
		doing some road tests, I had to take it apart to rebuild
the clutch
		release bearing. So it was jacked up on all four corners
and the front
		crossmember and engine were out - i.e. it was really not
movable in any
		practical way.
		I leave for work and noticed a bit of a gasoline smell
in the garage. I
		looked under the Tiger, expecting some drips from the
disconnected fuel
		line at the engine compartment, but didn't see anything
there. So I go
		to work. When I got home, the gas smell was a lot
stronger, and the
		source was now evident: I had a four-foot diameter
puddle of gas under
		the rear of the car and it was starting to migrate
towards the garage
		door. An epoxy-painted floor doesn't absorb much. I
opened the trunk lid
		and found that the entire rear valence had flooded with
gasoline, and it
		was seeping between the body seams into the trunk
(wrecking the paint
		and undercoat there) as well as into the space
underneath each of the
		fuel tanks. There was maybe a couple of liters of fuel
pooled in the
		back of the car, but the tanks were about half full and
so there was
		potential for a lot more.

		Some investigation revealed that the hose connections
between the fuel
		tank and the crossover pipes had either slipped or else
I'd installed
		them off-center to begin with. The hose pieces were new
and the tank
		ends and pipes had been painted. Maybe that all
contributed to the
		slippage. Anyway, I backed off the hose clamps
(unleashing another flood
		of fuel) then repositioned the hoses and tightened the
clamps. Cleaned
		it all up with a bunch of kitty litter.

		Not exactly a Pinto moment, but lots of potential for
disaster anyway.
		Make sure your hose clamps are tight after you replace
those old hoses.

		Theo

From marcsmall at comcast.net  Thu Oct 22 11:01:56 2009
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:01:56 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires
In-Reply-To: <253613.40831.qm@web111619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <0A30239EAFDB46EE847DEAB62ED76F22@JEPHome>
	<253613.40831.qm@web111619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20091022170256.CB7B518764B@autox.team.net>

At 12:27 PM 10/22/2009, you wrote:
 >For those of us with outside screw taillights (MK IA/II), I don't
 >think amber outside upper lenses were available.

Well, thirty seconds with a drill fixed the
problem, back in the day.  Curt knows more:  I
wrote this up for him, back in the SCC days.

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Thu Oct 22 11:05:19 2009
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:05:19 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] lights
Message-ID: <bbb.5be4eb59.3811eacf@aol.com>

Well, I think I just added $500 to the value of my car  because I have the 
original tape.  It looks like common old 1' wide masking  tape, but it's 
not.  It was something special available only for a few  years.  Impossible to 
replace or duplicate......kind of like the original  rivets:-)
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 10/22/2009 1:01:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
Theo.Smit at dynastream.com writes:

Oh great.  Here come the concours guys!
 
What kind  of tape is it? How wide? How far up each pipe? Is it wound 
clockwise or  anticlockwise? How much overwrap? After 40 years, how much should 
be peeling  off? 
 
;)
 
Theo


 
____________________________________
 From: CoolVT at aol.com [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com]  
Sent: October 22, 2009 10:56 AM
To: Smit, Theo;  bob_diehl at earthlink.net; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re:  [Tigers] lights



I noticed that my original metal pipes in that  area had some kind of tape 
marking where the rubber pipes have to align on  the metal pipe. Without 
some kind of marking it is pretty hard to tell how  far to slide the rubber on 
to the metal. Slide on too far and the opposite  end will come up short, 
resulting in a possible  leak.
Mark L

From CoolVT at aol.com  Thu Oct 22 11:05:48 2009
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:05:48 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] lights
Message-ID: <bbc.4f13ff3d.3811eaec@aol.com>

Well, I think I just added $500 to the value of my car  because I have the 
original tape.  It looks like common old 1' wide masking  tape, but it's 
not.  It was something special available only for a few  years.  Impossible to 
replace or duplicate......kind of like the original  rivets:-)
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 10/22/2009 1:01:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
Theo.Smit at dynastream.com writes:

Oh great.  Here come the concours guys!
 
What kind  of tape is it? How wide? How far up each pipe? Is it wound 
clockwise or  anticlockwise? How much overwrap? After 40 years, how much should 
be peeling  off? 
 
;)
 
Theo


 
____________________________________
 From: CoolVT at aol.com [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com]  
Sent: October 22, 2009 10:56 AM
To: Smit, Theo;  bob_diehl at earthlink.net; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re:  [Tigers] lights



I noticed that my original metal pipes in that  area had some kind of tape 
marking where the rubber pipes have to align on  the metal pipe. Without 
some kind of marking it is pretty hard to tell how  far to slide the rubber on 
to the metal. Slide on too far and the opposite  end will come up short, 
resulting in a possible  leak.
Mark L

From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 17:17:13 2009
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:17:13 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] lights
In-Reply-To: <E1N0zdi-0006LD-Gn@elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <ca1.65598c0d.3811cc14@aol.com>
	<E1N0zdi-0006LD-Gn@elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6B7492E9F61E455DA07E29C6A5C39FC3@OfficePC>

When I bought my car from the original owner it had been rear-ended bad
enough to crumple up the trunk lid and driver's side fender pretty badly.
But the gas tank on that side didn't have a dent in it.  The bracket was
bent but the tank looked fine.

Thanks,
Joe Brown
Arlington, TX
B382000217

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Bob Diehl
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:32 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] lights

Anybody have a story of a Sunbeam going up like a Pinto?

bob_diehl

At 07:54 AM 10/22/2009, CoolVT at aol.com wrote:
>"I think they're more visible,and anything that helps folks  driving behind
>me notice my intentions
>quicker is a good thing."
>
>Especially when you consider where those gas tanks are  setting.  A
>"rear-ender" can be a real no-no.


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From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 22 17:24:14 2009
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:24:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires
In-Reply-To: <39a841b0910220955m50efdeefr28893cb8516d5343@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <647236.97557.qm@web111618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

 
If you drill holes, the pattern still doesn't match.
The early lenses had concentric circles (aka bullseye)'and
the MKIA/MKII have vertical embossments.
 
Dave

--- On Thu, 10/22/09, Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossed wires
To: "David T Johnson" <djoh797014 at yahoo.com>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net, "James E. Pickard" <geowiz.sgy at cox.net>
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 4:55 PM


you can just drill them.


On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:27 AM, David T Johnson <djoh797014 at yahoo.com>
wrote:

For those of us with outside screw taillights (MK IA/II), I don't
think amber outside upper lenses were available.

Dave

--- On Thu, 10/22/09, James E. Pickard <geowiz.sgy at cox.net> wrote:


From: James E. Pickard <geowiz.sgy at cox.net>

Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 3:17 AM



I've got my wired crossed.  Are the front turn signals yellow or white?
Currently I have one of each!

Jim Pickard
B9473298 ('65 Tiger)
AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold
2003 Mini Cooper
Lafayette, LA
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From bobjeanbeams at bright.net  Thu Oct 22 20:49:59 2009
From: bobjeanbeams at bright.net (bob webb)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:49:59 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] tiger burning
Message-ID: <D8BFFFBEFCDD4C60B272C67112ADFC3F@yourze8cxvr8tt>

several years ago ( 10 to 12 years??) mike gaffney was driving his tiger in
his home town of pittsburg . he got hit in the rear and found that there was a
fuel leak. the car went up in flames and i believe one head light rim still
had a small amount of paint left on it after the fire was out. the rest of the
car was well done.

From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 21:20:26 2009
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:20:26 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Cliff Meyer Imports
Message-ID: <F185DFF451D447088E3F16C57F48A9A9@OfficePC>

Hi,

 

Is there anybody out there in the Kenosha area that might be familiar with
Cliff Meyer Imports?   My Tiger came from there and I would like to see if
anybody has anything showing a logo for this dealership or maybe a dealer
emblem that would have gone on the back of the car.

 

Thanks,

Joe Brown

Arlington, TX

B382000217

From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Thu Oct 22 21:25:41 2009
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:25:41 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires
In-Reply-To: <253613.40831.qm@web111619.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20091023032541.M6IWB.498880.root@cdptpa-web20-z02>

I believe the LRXFE cars are all supposed to have red tail lenses and white
front turn indicators. HRO and LRO cars being standard, (or Europen spec )
are supposed to have ambers.

Steve

From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 23 05:26:34 2009
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 04:26:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] tiger burning
Message-ID: <873252.53472.qm@web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi,
     My uncle, leo vorholdt had a burning Tiger..His was a 1966, BRG, 306hp
289 type..We were taking it out for a drive in Charleston,Wv..Aug. 1967 and
were warming it up in the drive way..After a few minutes, we noticed paint
fade on the boot lid and smoke comming out around the top..Popping the boot
lid open , we noticed the fuel pump merrily supplying a fine fire all about
the pump//a garden hose put out the blaze, a new pump cured the leaky gaskets
and arcing contact points..Tiger fun, everyday.
Howard

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From: bob webb <bobjeanbeams at bright.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger burning
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 10:49 PM


several years ago ( 10 to 12 years??) mike gaffney was driving his tiger in
his home town of pittsburg . he got hit in the rear and found that there was
a
fuel leak. the car went up in flames and i believe one head light rim still
had a small amount of paint left on it after the fire was out. the rest of
the
car was well done.
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From awtiger at cox.net  Fri Oct 23 05:31:39 2009
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 06:31:39 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires
In-Reply-To: <20091023032541.M6IWB.498880.root@cdptpa-web20-z02>
References: <20091023032541.M6IWB.498880.root@cdptpa-web20-z02>
Message-ID: <650D9E6C42914A28BD375D5D73E81999@awtigerPC>

Steve:

Whereas your blanket statement about amber turn signal lenses for the rear 
may be true regarding the standard spec cars, I do not believe the same is 
correct for the front signal lenses.  You are welcome to test my theory, 
however.  The next time you go to a show or event where a number of Tigers 
are present, count the number of LRXFE cars that have white front turn 
signal lenses.  If you get past zero, I'd be surprised.

Take care,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740) - (amber front turn signal lenses)
B9006857LRX


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T Johnson" <djoh797014 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossed wires


>I believe the LRXFE cars are all supposed to have red tail lenses and white
> front turn indicators. HRO and LRO cars being standard, (or Europen spec )
> are supposed to have ambers.
>
> Steve
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From bob_diehl at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 23 10:18:24 2009
From: bob_diehl at earthlink.net (Bob Diehl)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:18:24 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires
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One...
http://zf2baq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p_ilFTJUR536ou3dZ5U1Twi15Dg5-YKtz306ESFOz7rYl0NJI1htzNVpcOjYPhGXqykoy5iOz_-lNoFl1eRaWjs57149aIgt8/9470028-01.jpg

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At 04:31 AM 10/23/2009, awtiger wrote:
>...snip snip..If you get past zero, I'd be surprised.


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From awtiger at cox.net  Fri Oct 23 12:12:46 2009
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:12:46 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires
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Message-ID: <20091023141246.FLYCI.671937.imail@eastrmwml43>

Ahhh...so you're the one, Bob! ;-)

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740)
B9006857LRX

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> 
> bob_diehl
> 
> At 04:31 AM 10/23/2009, awtiger wrote:
> >...snip snip..If you get past zero, I'd be surprised.
> 
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From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Fri Oct 23 14:13:47 2009
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:13:47 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Turn Signal Lenses
Message-ID: <4AE20E7B.1010605@roadrunner.com>

382002384LRXFE was delivered with AMBER front lenses.  I have an old and 
sometimes faulty memory but, I have seen a lot of Tigers and remember 
only a very small number (one or two) with clear lenses.  The rear 
lenses on my car were red when delivered.  I changed them over to amber 
and attached them from behind.

Tod (original owner)

From cmeinel464 at aol.com  Fri Oct 23 15:46:31 2009
From: cmeinel464 at aol.com (cmeinel464 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:46:31 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Turn Signal Lenses
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Tod,
All Alpines 4,5  & Tiger sold in the states were sold with the amber front
turn signal lenses. The clear from lenses are a Sunbeam Rapier part number.
Hope this helps.
Curt
Classic Sunbeam Inc.


-----Original Message-----
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To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2009 4:13 pm
Subject: [Tigers] Turn Signal Lenses


382002384LRXFE was delivered with AMBER front lenses. I have an old and
sometimes faulty memory but, I have seen a lot of Tigers and remember only a
very small number (one or two) with clear lenses. The rear lenses on my car
were red when delivered. I changed them over to amber and attached them from
behind.

Tod (original owner)
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From geowiz.sgy at cox.net  Fri Oct 23 21:37:08 2009
From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:37:08 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires
Message-ID: <0AA59E85EC884836A04F4F8778A96229@JEPHome>

This group never ceases to amaze me.  Ask one simple question (for which I am
grateful for the quick answer) and it sparks all kinds of discussion.  I've
come to the conclusion that no two Tigers are exactly alike.

Jim Pickard
B9473298 ('65 Tiger)
AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold
2003 Mini Cooper
Lafayette, LA

From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 24 08:15:29 2009
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:15:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires
Message-ID: <402783.39310.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Amen.
     Tigers were born in a hot rod shop..hand built..then they were
"manufactured"..again..nearly hand built..parts came out of bins as
required..there was much termoil in British auto industry at that time..some
parts were left over from other cars..some weren't..sheet metal was stamped
and hand beaten into shape..all different..Every day was a new day on the
Tiger assembly line.
Howard

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--- On Fri, 10/23/09, James E. Pickard <geowiz.sgy at cox.net> wrote:


From: James E. Pickard <geowiz.sgy at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossed wires
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, October 23, 2009, 11:37 PM


This group never ceases to amaze me.  Ask one simple question (for which I am
grateful for the quick answer) and it sparks all kinds of discussion.  I've
come to the conclusion that no two Tigers are exactly alike.

Jim Pickard
B9473298 ('65 Tiger)
AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold
2003 Mini Cooper
Lafayette, LA
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Oct 24 08:28:56 2009
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:28:56 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] hand built
Message-ID: <d11.5c40e827.38146928@aol.com>

On this hand built and all theme..........some friends  who have body shops 
have kept tool, parts, junk, etc..that they have found in  door panels and 
other places in cars they have repaired.  These were things  left either 
accidentally or on purpose when the car was  built.
Has anyone ever found anything hidden in  doors  or crevices of the trunk 
that appeared to be from the Tiger assembly  line?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Mark L

From fabbro at shaw.ca  Sat Oct 24 08:58:00 2009
From: fabbro at shaw.ca (Fabbro)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:58:00 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Front turn signal wiring
Message-ID: <3B8480AF272646BD999802B3640F7F7B@fabbro>

I am at the rewiring the car stage for my wife's 1965 Tiger Production
number 40. I never owned, rode in or seen a Tiger on the move (Except
Utube and a local race track) before. I have built a diode protected
relay board with a 20 slot fuse holder to separate all the individual
electrical circuits Along with this a rev limiter circuit that doubles
as a kill switch to immobilize the car in case of theft. On this board I
installed the voltage stabilizer, starter solenoid and located it under
the fake floor for easy access for service reasons in the future. All
this will bring the electrical up to a modern day standard so I will not
be stuck in the dark with the Lucas electrical technology. Here comes
the silly question. Up front I have a small clear lens and the larger
amber lens. Which is used for a marker light and which is used as the
turn signal light? On the current day cars amber can be used as a
marker/clearance light. On the rear I'm safe it has an all red tail
lenses.
 
Thanks again
Kim

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Oct 24 09:14:25 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:14:25 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Front turn signal wiring
In-Reply-To: <3B8480AF272646BD999802B3640F7F7B@fabbro>
Message-ID: <4B3E54D365F14B21BFD941810DC60D13@ronpc1>

Kim
	Amber is the turn signal

Clear is the marker

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Fabbro
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 10:58 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Front turn signal wiring


I am at the rewiring the car stage for my wife's 1965 Tiger Production
number 40. I never owned, rode in or seen a Tiger on the move (Except Utube
and a local race track) before. I have built a diode protected relay board
with a 20 slot fuse holder to separate all the individual electrical
circuits Along with this a rev limiter circuit that doubles as a kill switch
to immobilize the car in case of theft. On this board I installed the
voltage stabilizer, starter solenoid and located it under the fake floor for
easy access for service reasons in the future. All this will bring the
electrical up to a modern day standard so I will not be stuck in the dark
with the Lucas electrical technology. Here comes the silly question. Up
front I have a small clear lens and the larger amber lens. Which is used for
a marker light and which is used as the turn signal light? On the current
day cars amber can be used as a marker/clearance light. On the rear I'm safe
it has an all red tail lenses.

Thanks again
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 24 09:18:40 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:18:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Front turn signal wiring
In-Reply-To: <3B8480AF272646BD999802B3640F7F7B@fabbro>
Message-ID: <59316.90288.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Kim- this has been discussed lately and I guess there must be more than one
Tiger that uses the amber as the park light but 99% of all Tigers in the US
use the amber as the turn signal and the clear as the park light. WE would all
enjoy seeing a drawing of your circuit board as everyone always shows interest
in anything that makes the car safe, better, easier to drive and operate etc
etc.
Cheers, TonytheTiger

--- On Sat, 10/24/09, Fabbro <fabbro at shaw.ca> wrote:

> From: Fabbro <fabbro at shaw.ca>
> Subject: [Tigers] Front turn signal wiring
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 9:58 AM
> I am at the rewiring the car stage
> for my wife's 1965 Tiger Production
> number 40. I never owned, rode in or seen a Tiger on the
> move (Except
> Utube and a local race track) before. I have built a diode
> protected
> relay board with a 20 slot fuse holder to separate all the
> individual
> electrical circuits Along with this a rev limiter circuit
> that doubles
> as a kill switch to immobilize the car in case of theft. On
> this board I
> installed the voltage stabilizer, starter solenoid and
> located it under
> the fake floor for easy access for service reasons in the
> future. All
> this will bring the electrical up to a modern day standard
> so I will not
> be stuck in the dark with the Lucas electrical technology.
> Here comes
> the silly question. Up front I have a small clear lens and
> the larger
> amber lens. Which is used for a marker light and which is
> used as the
> turn signal light? On the current day cars amber can be
> used as a
> marker/clearance light. On the rear I'm safe it has an all
> red tail
> lenses.
>
> Thanks again
> Kim
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From fabbro at shaw.ca  Sat Oct 24 09:21:30 2009
From: fabbro at shaw.ca (Fabbro)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:21:30 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Dash Lights?
Message-ID: <147FD3D019A04CDDB7990219B9E17553@fabbro>

I forgot to ask also the dash lights. Which color for which function I
have no clue the manual has no reference.
Thanks
Kim 

From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Oct 24 09:53:32 2009
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:53:32 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Front turn signal wiring
Message-ID: <d27.4055a7b0.38147cfc@aol.com>

I spoke to a guy who has done State safety inspections  in Vermont for 
years. He said that the Federal requirements for  the color  of lens changed a 
few times over the years as additional lights were  added......directional  
signals, side marker lights, back-up lights,  etc..
 
He said technically, for a car to pass the present  State safety 
inspection, lights are supposed to meet the standards that  were in effect when the 
car was built.  All original lights have to work  and if the owner has added 
any lights they also have to  work.
If the owner installed lights don't work and the owner  doesn't want to 
repair them, he can remove them.
 
You don't have to add lights that were never original  to the manufactured 
car......for example a Tiger wouldn't need back-up lights  even though they 
are required on modern  cars.
 
And you can't change the color of the original  lens.  (Of course how many 
inspectors would know the original  color;-)

M

From jim at island.net  Sat Oct 24 09:57:18 2009
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:57:18 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Dash Lights?
In-Reply-To: <147FD3D019A04CDDB7990219B9E17553@fabbro>
References: <147FD3D019A04CDDB7990219B9E17553@fabbro>
Message-ID: <639E4E3FF8D74E92AEFEC51712681F4C@JIMPC>

Hi Kim

The indicator lamp beside the ignition is red. The one above and to the
right of the oil pressure gauge is green for the turn signals, the one above
and to the left of the oil pressure gauge is blue for hi/lo beams. There is
also a plug in the upper left side of the dash that will fit another lamp...
never having owned an Alpine, I'm going to assume that it's for the
overdrive but not sure... I know a couple of guys that have installed 2 turn
indicator lamps and moved the hi/lo blue lamp over to that spot but that's
of course not 'corrct'

Jim
B382000446

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On Behalf Of Fabbro
Sent: October 24, 2009 8:22 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Dash Lights?

I forgot to ask also the dash lights. Which color for which function I
have no clue the manual has no reference.
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Oct 24 10:19:41 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:19:41 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Dash Lights?
In-Reply-To: <639E4E3FF8D74E92AEFEC51712681F4C@JIMPC>
Message-ID: <034A204175B24047AB159462C3CB4DB8@ronpc1>

Kim & Jim

As per the Alpine Parts Manual

Main beam Blue
Ignition Red
Flasher Green
Overdrive Opal	Alpine only for overdrive

I'm one of those guys who put 2 turn indicator lamps in and I like it that
way.

Ron Fraser

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On Behalf Of Jim
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 11:57 AM
To: 'Fabbro'; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dash Lights?


Hi Kim

The indicator lamp beside the ignition is red. The one above and to the
right of the oil pressure gauge is green for the turn signals, the one above
and to the left of the oil pressure gauge is blue for hi/lo beams. There is
also a plug in the upper left side of the dash that will fit another lamp...
never having owned an Alpine, I'm going to assume that it's for the
overdrive but not sure... I know a couple of guys that have installed 2 turn
indicator lamps and moved the hi/lo blue lamp over to that spot but that's
of course not 'corrct'

Jim
B382000446

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On Behalf Of Fabbro
Sent: October 24, 2009 8:22 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Dash Lights?

I forgot to ask also the dash lights. Which color for which function I have
no clue the manual has no reference. Thanks Kim
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From Rollright at aol.com  Sat Oct 24 10:30:44 2009
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:30:44 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Refreshing the red generator dash light
Message-ID: <d0a.5b721cc3.381485b4@aol.com>

Hello,
 
Its really fall now in New England. Cold. Enjoy that California  weather.
 
My red generator charge light is really faded. As there are no new fresh  
ones around, anybody have an idea how to make it red again instead of faded 
out  to a vague pale sort-of color?
 
The other colored indicators are tucked under the dash-pad and don't get  
the sun-fade that the red one does.
Any ideas would be appreciated,
I'm sure others are in the same situation......
Thanks in advance.
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Oct 24 11:19:43 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:19:43 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Refreshing the red generator dash light
In-Reply-To: <d0a.5b721cc3.381485b4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2884CBA465454539B08CC876618CC714@ronpc1>

Jim
	I have used a Red Magic Marker with some success.

I believe replacements are on the market but I'm not sure of a source off
hand.(?)

Moss maybe?

Ron Fraser

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On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 12:31 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Refreshing the red generator dash light


Hello,

Its really fall now in New England. Cold. Enjoy that California  weather.

My red generator charge light is really faded. As there are no new fresh
ones around, anybody have an idea how to make it red again instead of faded
out  to a vague pale sort-of color?

The other colored indicators are tucked under the dash-pad and don't get
the sun-fade that the red one does.
Any ideas would be appreciated,
I'm sure others are in the same situation......
Thanks in advance.

Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE
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From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Sat Oct 24 11:47:53 2009
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:47:53 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Dash Lights
Message-ID: <4AE33DC9.9000407@roadrunner.com>

Blue lens on the dash for head lights, green for turn signals and red for ignition.  CAT sells a very useful diagram of the wiring behind the dash for those who may be contemplating tearing into that domain.  I think it costs $5 and comes laminated.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:21:30 -0700
From: "Fabbro" <fabbro at shaw.ca>
Subject: [Tigers] Dash Lights?
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <147FD3D019A04CDDB7990219B9E17553 at fabbro>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I forgot to ask also the dash lights. Which color for which function I
have no clue the manual has no reference.
Thanks
Kim 

From rande at thecia.net  Sat Oct 24 11:58:14 2009
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:58:14 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] refurb idiot lights
Message-ID: <4ae34036.6e55.0@thecia.net>

A while back, someone wrote that you could gingerly pry off the chrome retainer,
flip the lens back to front, and it produced a fresh lens surface. The trick
is to be very careful with the chrome retainer, it doesn't take much to damage
it. The tech tip was directly aimed at fading generator/alternator lamps. I
tried this, and it worked for me.

If you don't have a spare lens, and you need a sacrificial part,or you want
to shop for new, eBay usually have used ones listed every other week, and occasionally
has listings for new ones.

From rande at thecia.net  Sat Oct 24 12:24:21 2009
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:24:21 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] more eBay/idiot lights
Message-ID: <4ae34655.71f8.0@thecia.net>

There's a SET of warning light lens on the SUNBEAM ALPINE listing of eBay. The
red light is real faded, but a good candidate for flipping the lens. Auction
deadline is up real soon.

From Mgman71 at comcast.net  Sat Oct 24 17:52:56 2009
From: Mgman71 at comcast.net (George Re)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:52:56 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Control arms??/
Message-ID: <B3016DD73A404646AA6A28AF322AB349@home976BDF6447>

Hi:

I am in need of a set of upper A frame control arms or mt 65 Tiger if anyones
know
where I can get them please send me a no.

Thanks
George Re
B9471055

From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 24 20:06:05 2009
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:06:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Dash Lights?
In-Reply-To: <639E4E3FF8D74E92AEFEC51712681F4C@JIMPC>
Message-ID: <127848.25459.qm@web111620.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I knew an owner who split his turn sign wires so thr right was
green then put a red lens in he blank hole and added a light.
Now its just like his plane, red light for the left side, and green
light for the left.
 
Dave - going for a heart stent Monday AM.

--- On Sat, 10/24/09, Jim <jim at island.net> wrote:


From: Jim <jim at island.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dash Lights?
To: "'Fabbro'" <fabbro at shaw.ca>, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 3:57 PM


Hi Kim

The indicator lamp beside the ignition is red. The one above and to the
right of the oil pressure gauge is green for the turn signals, the one above
and to the left of the oil pressure gauge is blue for hi/lo beams. There is
also a plug in the upper left side of the dash that will fit another lamp....
never having owned an Alpine, I'm going to assume that it's for the
overdrive but not sure... I know a couple of guys that have installed 2 turn
indicator lamps and moved the hi/lo blue lamp over to that spot but that's
of course not 'corrct'

Jim
B382000446

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Fabbro
Sent: October 24, 2009 8:22 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Dash Lights?

I forgot to ask also the dash lights. Which color for which function I
have no clue the manual has no reference.
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From Mgman71 at comcast.net  Sat Oct 24 21:34:16 2009
From: Mgman71 at comcast.net (George Re)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:34:16 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Control arms??/
References: <B3016DD73A404646AA6A28AF322AB349@home976BDF6447>
Message-ID: <EC22D1F225954F55BFD78B38EAE75195@home976BDF6447>

Guys I made a mistake on my last E-mail to the group
I said I needed upper control arms that was WRONG
what I need are LOWER control arms If any one know where I can find
them please let me know.

Sorry for the incorrect INFO in my last note.

Thanks Again
George Re
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Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 7:52 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Control arms??/


> Hi:
>
> I am in need of a set of upper A frame control arms or mt 65 Tiger if 
> anyones
> know
> where I can get them please send me a no.
>
> Thanks
> George Re
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From rcsphx1 at cox.net  Sat Oct 24 23:15:48 2009
From: rcsphx1 at cox.net (Richard)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:15:48 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Battery over flow
Message-ID: <5C2392A2D87249C191320636CD471943@D4TDG641>

What would cause a new battery to over flow acid into the trunk?

  I installed a new Bosch battery in the tiger a couple months ago, and after
driving for a couple of week I noticed that is had spewed acid into the trunk
area. At first I thought that it was just a bad battery, so I went and picked
up another new Bosch battery and installed it a couple weeks ago and did not
have a problem until today, when it happened again.  Could an over charging
alternator cause the battery to "boil over".  Or is it possible that the
batteries were over filled and fluid was released on hard cornering?  We were
at the race track today, for some track time.  I do not have the amp gauge
hooked up so I am not sure right now of the battery amps or voltage.

Richard

From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 25 06:28:47 2009
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:28:47 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Battery over flow
References: <5C2392A2D87249C191320636CD471943@D4TDG641>
Message-ID: <57FA385D189B4EFC9B62AE5022C4D64F@PETERHOME>

thats why i always switch to an optima red top dry cell battery in my cars. 
ive heard some mixed reviews as of late (due to dying batteries, never 
leaking) but mine have always worked perfectly.

----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 1:15 AM
Subject: [Tigers] Battery over flow


> What would cause a new battery to over flow acid into the trunk?

From srwick at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 25 07:16:38 2009
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:16:38 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Battery over flow
In-Reply-To: <5C2392A2D87249C191320636CD471943@D4TDG641>
References: <5C2392A2D87249C191320636CD471943@D4TDG641>
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Overcharging is usually the cause. To check for overfilling, the water should
just cover the plates. Anything more is too much. If you are doing a lot of
hard driving, you may want to consider a plastic battery box, to catch any
acid that might come out and save your trunk floor.

Steve
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  Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 10:15 PM
  Subject: [Tigers] Battery over flow


  What would cause a new battery to over flow acid into the trunk?

    I installed a new Bosch battery in the tiger a couple months ago, and
after
  driving for a couple of week I noticed that is had spewed acid into the
trunk
  area. At first I thought that it was just a bad battery, so I went and
picked
  up another new Bosch battery and installed it a couple weeks ago and did
not
  have a problem until today, when it happened again.  Could an over charging
  alternator cause the battery to "boil over".  Or is it possible that the
  batteries were over filled and fluid was released on hard cornering?  We
were
  at the race track today, for some track time.  I do not have the amp gauge
  hooked up so I am not sure right now of the battery amps or voltage.

  Richard
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From srwick at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 25 07:28:42 2009
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:28:42 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Front turn signal wiring
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References: <59316.90288.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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There are also amber bulbs you can install behind the clear lenses. Late 60's
Fords did this.

Steve
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  To: tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> ;
Fabbro<mailto:fabbro at shaw.ca>
  Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 8:18 AM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] Front turn signal wiring


  Kim- this has been discussed lately and I guess there must be more than one
  Tiger that uses the amber as the park light but 99% of all Tigers in the US
  use the amber as the turn signal and the clear as the park light. WE would
all
  enjoy seeing a drawing of your circuit board as everyone always shows
interest
  in anything that makes the car safe, better, easier to drive and operate
etc
  etc.
  Cheers, TonytheTiger

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  > From: Fabbro <fabbro at shaw.ca<mailto:fabbro at shaw.ca>>
  > Subject: [Tigers] Front turn signal wiring
  > To: tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
  > Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 9:58 AM
  > I am at the rewiring the car stage
  > for my wife's 1965 Tiger Production
  > number 40. I never owned, rode in or seen a Tiger on the
  > move (Except
  > Utube and a local race track) before. I have built a diode
  > protected
  > relay board with a 20 slot fuse holder to separate all the
  > individual
  > electrical circuits Along with this a rev limiter circuit
  > that doubles
  > as a kill switch to immobilize the car in case of theft. On
  > this board I
  > installed the voltage stabilizer, starter solenoid and
  > located it under
  > the fake floor for easy access for service reasons in the
  > future. All
  > this will bring the electrical up to a modern day standard
  > so I will not
  > be stuck in the dark with the Lucas electrical technology.
  > Here comes
  > the silly question. Up front I have a small clear lens and
  > the larger
  > amber lens. Which is used for a marker light and which is
  > used as the
  > turn signal light? On the current day cars amber can be
  > used as a
  > marker/clearance light. On the rear I'm safe it has an all
  > red tail
  > lenses.
  >
  > Thanks again
  > Kim
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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Sun Oct 25 12:00:24 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:00:24 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Dash Lights
In-Reply-To: <4AE33DC9.9000407@roadrunner.com>
References: <4AE33DC9.9000407@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <4AE4A048.5020806@SoCal.rr.com>

Tod, and Tigers,

I am sure the CAT wiring diagram, laminated, is a great bargain. Not 
sure if it shows physical drawing, or electric schematic.

I have seen eBay laminated schematic diagrams for $25.  It is offered 
most of the time, and was "created" by downloading the *_free_* wiring 
diagrams from TigersUnited.com contributed by Bill Gegg.  It is also 
shows the wiring insulation color(s):

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmN35.asp

The Mk II diagram is the next page, all down-loadable, and printable in 
JPEG format.

Steve

___
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<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



Tod Brown wrote:
> Blue lens on the dash for head lights, green for turn signals and red 
> for ignition.  CAT sells a very useful diagram of the wiring behind 
> the dash for those who may be contemplating tearing into that domain.  
> I think it costs $5 and comes laminated.
>
> Tod
> B382002384LRXFE

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Sun Oct 25 12:12:15 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:12:15 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Battery over flow
In-Reply-To: <COL122-DS1878EA5F9713B175DC22D2D8BB0@phx.gbl>
References: <5C2392A2D87249C191320636CD471943@D4TDG641>
	<COL122-DS1878EA5F9713B175DC22D2D8BB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4AE4A30F.3090104@SoCal.rr.com>

I agree with Steve W. and have been using Optima sealed batteries for 
many years, on all my cars.  Never had a leak issue.  The Tiger comes 
with a plastic battery tray, but this is a sealed battery - with no 
provisions for "topping-off".

It should be recommended that a "Battery Tender" brand of charger be 
left on the battery while garaged for any significant time.  It attaches 
with a quick disconnect and will not boil-away the fluids.

It sells for about $70, and I bought some at "Pep Boys".

http://www.batterytender.com/default.php?cPath=11_2

The Battery Tender Plus is a 1.25 amp battery charger designed to fully charge a battery and maintain it at proper storage voltage without the damaging effects caused by *trickle chargers*. Included is a quick connect harness for hard to reach areas.


Steve


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<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



steve wick wrote:
> Overcharging is usually the cause. To check for overfilling, the water should
> just cover the plates. Anything more is too much. If you are doing a lot of
> hard driving, you may want to consider a plastic battery box, to catch any
> acid that might come out and save your trunk floor.
>
> Steve

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 13:35:00 2009
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:35:00 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Battery over flow
In-Reply-To: <4AE4A30F.3090104@SoCal.rr.com>
References: <5C2392A2D87249C191320636CD471943@D4TDG641>
	<COL122-DS1878EA5F9713B175DC22D2D8BB0@phx.gbl>
	<4AE4A30F.3090104@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b0910251335r37cf35daubfeefc2affb1690d@mail.gmail.com>

Can't praise optimas highly enough.  Small, trouble free, light,
massive power and extremely slow discharge.

Can you get your money back on the bosch?

On 10/25/09, Steve Laifman <SLaifman at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> I agree with Steve W. and have been using Optima sealed batteries for
> many years, on all my cars.  Never had a leak issue.  The Tiger comes
> with a plastic battery tray, but this is a sealed battery - with no
> provisions for "topping-off".
>
> It should be recommended that a "Battery Tender" brand of charger be
> left on the battery while garaged for any significant time.  It attaches
> with a quick disconnect and will not boil-away the fluids.
>
> It sells for about $70, and I bought some at "Pep Boys".
>
> http://www.batterytender.com/default.php?cPath=11_2
>
> The Battery Tender Plus is a 1.25 amp battery charger designed to fully
> charge a battery and maintain it at proper storage voltage without the
> damaging effects caused by *trickle chargers*. Included is a quick connect
> harness for hard to reach areas.
>
>
> Steve
>
>
> ___
> Steve Laifman
> Editor - TigersUnited.com
> <http://www.TigersUnited.com>
>
>
>
> steve wick wrote:
>> Overcharging is usually the cause. To check for overfilling, the water
>> should
>> just cover the plates. Anything more is too much. If you are doing a lot
>> of
>> hard driving, you may want to consider a plastic battery box, to catch any
>> acid that might come out and save your trunk floor.
>>
>> Steve
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From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Sun Oct 25 13:59:21 2009
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:59:21 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Batts
Message-ID: <22EDA3ED94784D8EA13FF9D831151598@jerry>

List'

 

Ditto for me also, I've had my optima batt for 9years now and no problems of
any kind.  I do use a small Harbor Freight "float charger" (#42292-1RHH
$9.99 or sometimes on sale $4.99) that I keep on all of the time.  It's not
a charger; it only keeps a small charge of 600ma at 13 or 14 volts, but it
does the job.

 

Jerry Christopherson

9473187

From lpaulick at comcast.net  Sun Oct 25 14:17:32 2009
From: lpaulick at comcast.net (Larry Paulick)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:17:32 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Stuck Hood Release
Message-ID: <4AE4C06C.4020008@comcast.net>

Hi Group.  I have a MKI and the nut on the bent rod on the hood release 
that attaches to the lever to release the hood latch must have come 
loose.  Therefore I can not open the hood.

I went to the Tigers United site, and tried the coat hanger through the 
firewall/heater plenum area, and could not hook the lever to release the 
latch.

I took the 8 bolts out of the front hinges for the hood, and do not have 
room to get to the latch to release the latch as well.

So, any solutions or tricks would be most welcome.

Thanks

Larry

From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Sun Oct 25 14:36:12 2009
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:36:12 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Stuck Hood Release
In-Reply-To: <4AE4C06C.4020008@comcast.net>
References: <4AE4C06C.4020008@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BA677AC1ABF247BEBC0835CB6CF8FF25@jerry>

Larry,

I feel for you, perhaps if you can get someone to help you "see" the coat
hanger from the engine compartment and somehow guide you now that the front
is unbolted, that might help.  I've not had the pleasure of doing this my
self. I will say that; make sure that the nut at the end of the rod is a
SQUARE nut so that it cannot turn in the bracket, I can't imagine how the
nut came unscrewed in the first place unless it was a normal hex nut.

Best of luck

Jerry Christopherson
9473187    

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Larry Paulick
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 4:18 PM
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Stuck Hood Release

Hi Group.  I have a MKI and the nut on the bent rod on the hood release 
that attaches to the lever to release the hood latch must have come 
loose.  Therefore I can not open the hood.

I went to the Tigers United site, and tried the coat hanger through the 
firewall/heater plenum area, and could not hook the lever to release the 
latch.

I took the 8 bolts out of the front hinges for the hood, and do not have 
room to get to the latch to release the latch as well.

So, any solutions or tricks would be most welcome.

Thanks

Larry
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From nmpubs at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 15:12:38 2009
From: nmpubs at gmail.com (William Carroll)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:12:38 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Factory Wheels
Message-ID: <8ff80b060910251512m55f97bb4jce38320fd41246e3@mail.gmail.com>

There is now an offer on eBay for Tiger factory wheels of the correct part
number.

From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk  Sun Oct 25 15:52:59 2009
From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:52:59 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Factory Wheels
In-Reply-To: <8ff80b060910251512m55f97bb4jce38320fd41246e3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8ff80b060910251512m55f97bb4jce38320fd41246e3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <snLmYYPLbN5KFwt8@v8tiger.demon.co.uk>

Hi Will,

if you want a really original set, I have 5 wheels with original DUNLOP 
RS5 tyres.

I can't guarantee they have Coventry air in them though.


Jeff





In message 
<8ff80b060910251512m55f97bb4jce38320fd41246e3 at mail.gmail.com>, William 
Carroll <nmpubs at gmail.com> writes
>There is now an offer on eBay for Tiger factory wheels of the correct part
>number.
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From chris at cthompson.net  Sun Oct 25 16:17:14 2009
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:17:14 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Batts
In-Reply-To: <22EDA3ED94784D8EA13FF9D831151598@jerry>
References: <22EDA3ED94784D8EA13FF9D831151598@jerry>
Message-ID: <4AE4DC7A.4080303@cthompson.net>

I've used only Optimas for all my classic cars for about 10 years now, 
and all have been on Battery Tenders.  Couldn't recommend either of them 
enough.

Jerry & Maureen (Mo) wrote:
> List'
>
>  
>
> Ditto for me also, I've had my optima batt for 9years now and no problems of
> any kind.  I do use a small Harbor Freight "float charger" (#42292-1RHH
> $9.99 or sometimes on sale $4.99) that I keep on all of the time.  It's not
> a charger; it only keeps a small charge of 600ma at 13 or 14 volts, but it
> does the job.
>
>  
>
> Jerry Christopherson

From rootes1 at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 25 17:47:18 2009
From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:47:18 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] PHOTOGRAPHER WITH MONEY LOOKING FOR CAR
Message-ID: <E1N2DkA-00085n-6A@elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I received the following in my email.  Anybody need a few bucks????????

http://4cw29a.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p7aCD9YQQpqMwuAKXsBophOkQCHGK-GEAhrlsCpphxpFFqLUB4OrKoPHtfk3p6vLc5aGVEzxQIj-FsreRcwBjCdc5n5XRYwS7/stevecole-request.jpg

Norm


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From lpaulick at comcast.net  Mon Oct 26 06:28:20 2009
From: lpaulick at comcast.net (Larry Paulick)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:28:20 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Stuck Hood Release
In-Reply-To: <BA677AC1ABF247BEBC0835CB6CF8FF25@jerry>
References: <4AE4C06C.4020008@comcast.net>
	<BA677AC1ABF247BEBC0835CB6CF8FF25@jerry>
Message-ID: <4AE5A3F4.1040506@comcast.net>

Jerry, I now remember that the nut is a square nut, so it must be the  
slotted  portion of the mechanism came off the stud on the lever arm.  I 
though I had a cotter pin on that, but now with the hood stuck, I can't 
see what really is the problem.

Any additional suggestions Group.

Thanks

Larry

Jerry & Maureen (Mo) wrote:
> Larry,
>
> I feel for you, perhaps if you can get someone to help you "see" the coat
> hanger from the engine compartment and somehow guide you now that the front
> is unbolted, that might help.  I've not had the pleasure of doing this my
> self. I will say that; make sure that the nut at the end of the rod is a
> SQUARE nut so that it cannot turn in the bracket, I can't imagine how the
> nut came unscrewed in the first place unless it was a normal hex nut.
>
> Best of luck
>
> Jerry Christopherson
> 9473187    
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Larry Paulick
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 4:18 PM
> To: Tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Stuck Hood Release
>
> Hi Group.  I have a MKI and the nut on the bent rod on the hood release 
> that attaches to the lever to release the hood latch must have come 
> loose.  Therefore I can not open the hood.
>
> I went to the Tigers United site, and tried the coat hanger through the 
> firewall/heater plenum area, and could not hook the lever to release the 
> latch.
>
> I took the 8 bolts out of the front hinges for the hood, and do not have 
> room to get to the latch to release the latch as well.
>
> So, any solutions or tricks would be most welcome.
>
> Thanks
>
> Larry
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From mark.rense at ge.com  Mon Oct 26 06:45:22 2009
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd))
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:45:22 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Stuck Hood Release
In-Reply-To: <4AE5A3F4.1040506@comcast.net>
References: <4AE4C06C.4020008@comcast.net><BA677AC1ABF247BEBC0835CB6CF8FF25@jerry>
	<4AE5A3F4.1040506@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A5CE8E5@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Well, if you've always wanted a hood scoop, now is a great time to start
the hole for one...

;>)

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Paulick
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:28 AM
To: Jerry & Maureen (Mo)
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stuck Hood Release

Jerry, I now remember that the nut is a square nut, so it must be the
slotted  portion of the mechanism came off the stud on the lever arm.  I
though I had a cotter pin on that, but now with the hood stuck, I can't
see what really is the problem.

Any additional suggestions Group.

From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk  Mon Oct 26 06:47:40 2009
From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:47:40 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Stuck Hood Release
In-Reply-To: <4AE5A3F4.1040506@comcast.net>
References: <4AE4C06C.4020008@comcast.net>
	<BA677AC1ABF247BEBC0835CB6CF8FF25@jerry>
	<4AE5A3F4.1040506@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <qCm3BrE8ha5KFwex@v8tiger.demon.co.uk>

Hi Larry,

when mine stuck I managed to open it buy lifting the front of the hood 
which popped the release
You need to be careful of your paint of course, I put a cloth in the gap 
between the hood and the bulkhead along the length and at the corners to 
protect it.
Raising the hood then popped the latch

Hope it helps


regards


Jeff






In message <4AE5A3F4.1040506 at comcast.net>, Larry Paulick 
<lpaulick at comcast.net> writes
>Jerry, I now remember that the nut is a square nut, so it must be the 
>slotted  portion of the mechanism came off the stud on the lever arm. 
>I though I had a cotter pin on that, but now with the hood stuck, I 
>can't see what really is the problem.
>
>Any additional suggestions Group.
>
>Thanks
>
>Larry
>
>Jerry & Maureen (Mo) wrote:
>> Larry,
>>
>> I feel for you, perhaps if you can get someone to help you "see" the coat
>> hanger from the engine compartment and somehow guide you now that the front
>> is unbolted, that might help.  I've not had the pleasure of doing this my
>> self. I will say that; make sure that the nut at the end of the rod is a
>> SQUARE nut so that it cannot turn in the bracket, I can't imagine how the
>> nut came unscrewed in the first place unless it was a normal hex nut.
>>
>> Best of luck
>>
>> Jerry Christopherson
>> 9473187
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
>> On Behalf Of Larry Paulick
>> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 4:18 PM
>> To: Tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Tigers] Stuck Hood Release
>>
>> Hi Group.  I have a MKI and the nut on the bent rod on the hood 
>>release that attaches to the lever to release the hood latch must have 
>>come loose.  Therefore I can not open the hood.
>>
>> I went to the Tigers United site, and tried the coat hanger through 
>>the firewall/heater plenum area, and could not hook the lever to 
>>release the latch.
>>
>> I took the 8 bolts out of the front hinges for the hood, and do not 
>>have room to get to the latch to release the latch as well.
>>
>> So, any solutions or tricks would be most welcome.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Larry
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Oct 26 09:38:09 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:38:09 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Stuck Hood Release
In-Reply-To: <4AE5A3F4.1040506@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <FD6244ED1B514E3BA411BB52A27C1A85@ronpc1>

Larry
	Sorry I don't have a suggestion for you.

The lever arm and post is 4" over from the center of the hood; possibly a
length of spring steel with a notch cut into it could get past everything to
make a pull.   Probably a long shot for this working.(?)

When mine got stuck I was lucky that the hood popped up to the safety catch
which made it easier to work.

I had just a cotter pin on the pull post and somehow it managed to get
around the cotter pin and off the post.

I now have a small washer and a clip pin on the pull post with never a
problem.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Larry Paulick
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:28 AM
To: Jerry & Maureen (Mo)
Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stuck Hood Release


Jerry, I now remember that the nut is a square nut, so it must be the
slotted  portion of the mechanism came off the stud on the lever arm.  I
though I had a cotter pin on that, but now with the hood stuck, I can't
see what really is the problem.

Any additional suggestions Group.

Thanks

Larry

Jerry & Maureen (Mo) wrote:
> Larry,
>
> I feel for you, perhaps if you can get someone to help you "see" the
> coat hanger from the engine compartment and somehow guide you now that
> the front is unbolted, that might help.  I've not had the pleasure of
> doing this my self. I will say that; make sure that the nut at the end
> of the rod is a SQUARE nut so that it cannot turn in the bracket, I
> can't imagine how the nut came unscrewed in the first place unless it
> was a normal hex nut.
>
> Best of luck
>
> Jerry Christopherson
> 9473187
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Larry Paulick
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 4:18 PM
> To: Tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Stuck Hood Release
>
> Hi Group.  I have a MKI and the nut on the bent rod on the hood
> release
> that attaches to the lever to release the hood latch must have come
> loose.  Therefore I can not open the hood.
>
> I went to the Tigers United site, and tried the coat hanger through
> the
> firewall/heater plenum area, and could not hook the lever to release the
> latch.
>
> I took the 8 bolts out of the front hinges for the hood, and do not
> have
> room to get to the latch to release the latch as well.
>
> So, any solutions or tricks would be most welcome.
>
> Thanks
>
> Larry
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Mon Oct 26 11:26:01 2009
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:26:01 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Very nice....LAT70 goodness
In-Reply-To: <FD6244ED1B514E3BA411BB52A27C1A85@ronpc1>
References: <4AE5A3F4.1040506@comcast.net>
	<FD6244ED1B514E3BA411BB52A27C1A85@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <000601ca5669$c5f1e680$51d5b380$@rr.com>

Just receive a very nice box from Dale.

http://e28-535i.com/upload/LAT70.jpg

http://e28-535i.com/upload/LAT70a.jpg

Nice winter project huh?

Duke
B382002037

From awtiger at cox.net  Mon Oct 26 11:36:46 2009
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:36:46 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Very nice....LAT70 goodness
In-Reply-To: <000601ca5669$c5f1e680$51d5b380$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <20091026143646.ZC7PC.476634.imail@eastrmwml45>

Saweet, dude!!!!

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740)
B9006857LRX

---- Samouce's <wsamouce at kc.rr.com> wrote: 
> Just receive a very nice box from Dale.
> 
> http://e28-535i.com/upload/LAT70.jpg
> 
> http://e28-535i.com/upload/LAT70a.jpg
> 
> Nice winter project huh?
> 
> Duke
> B382002037
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Mon Oct 26 13:00:10 2009
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:00:10 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Very nice....LAT70 goodness
In-Reply-To: <20091026143646.ZC7PC.476634.imail@eastrmwml45>
References: <000601ca5669$c5f1e680$51d5b380$@rr.com>
	<20091026143646.ZC7PC.476634.imail@eastrmwml45>
Message-ID: <000701ca5676$ed26c0b0$c7744210$@rr.com>

Thatbs LAT 79 BTW. ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: awtiger at cox.net [mailto:awtiger at cox.net]
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 13:37
To: Tigers at autox.team.net; Samouce's
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Very nice....LAT70 goodness

Saweet, dude!!!!

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740)
B9006857LRX

---- Samouce's <wsamouce at kc.rr.com> wrote:
> Just receive a very nice box from Dale.
>
> http://e28-535i.com/upload/LAT70.jpg
>
> http://e28-535i.com/upload/LAT70a.jpg
>
> Nice winter project huh?
>
> Duke
> B382002037
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From cars at wt-inc.com  Mon Oct 26 15:29:32 2009
From: cars at wt-inc.com (Lynn Wall)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:29:32 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Upcoming Tiger events in the Seattle area
Message-ID: <001801ca568b$ca8e80a0$5fab81e0$@com>

All,

 

I will be in the Seattle area for the near future.  Are there any upcoming
tiger events?

 

I would love to come and share my ignorance in all things Tiger ;-)

 

Thanks, Lynn

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 07:48:43 2009
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:48:43 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] axle breather?
Message-ID: <39a841b0910270748u6a6007c9ncc38830cdc76189a@mail.gmail.com>

does the tiger rear axle have a breather port?  if so i can't locate it....

thanks.

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Tue Oct 27 08:07:51 2009
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:07:51 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] axle breather?
In-Reply-To: <39a841b0910270748u6a6007c9ncc38830cdc76189a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091027150751.SB40W.542641.root@hrndva-web21-z01>

There is just a hole in the top of one of the axle shafts housing.  Turn it over, you will find it.

Duke
B382002037
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> does the tiger rear axle have a breather port?  if so i can't locate it....
> 
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From MWood24020 at aol.com  Tue Oct 27 10:53:41 2009
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:53:41 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Looking for Jer Teepen
Message-ID: <bcc.59eb7338.38188da5@aol.com>

Jer,
 
Could you please contact me via email...I was speaking to your cousin,  
Phil, today and seem to have lost the .jpg files you were nice enough to send 
me  of the Cobra S/C type wheels he built for you. 
 
Thanks,
Mike Wood

From cmccann at lwpb.com  Tue Oct 27 11:12:16 2009
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:12:16 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Interesting Parts resource online
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BB2E8186E@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

Friends of the List,

A guy on eBay (yeah, I know, of all places) referred me to this website for
parts availability when I asked him if he had something I needed. I was
actually looking for brake components for my '69 Bronco, and when I realized
just what all information this site has, I thought it was pretty cool.

It appears to be an index of common aftermarket parts thru name brands for
some of the replaceable items on our cars. Its not a complete parts source,
especially the more obscure the vehicle, but there is some valuable
information on here. You can purchase from the online store directly by adding
to you shopping cart, or (what I was thinking) it might provide some insight
to parts that could be found at our local stores...name brands I recognize as
sitting on the shelves of the corner AutoZone and O'reilly Auto. Sunbeam is in
there amongst other rarities that you won't find in the computer system when
you got to the AutoZone parts counter. For example, when I sorted down to
1966/ sunbeam/ tiger/ 260/ wheel and hub/ you get about 5 choices of wheel
bearing known manufacturers and the listed part number for the bearing...maybe
it will reveal more parts available locally than they stores think they have
if you know what I mean. (I'm not looking for wheel bearings for my Tiger it
was just an example)

This might be helpful, especially when you just want to call the store and ask
them if they have a beck/arnely bearing part #xxxxx instead of telling the kid
on the phone what kinda car it fits....and relying on him to look it up in the
book.

Hopefully it could be useful depending on your situation. Check it out if you
have time


http://www.rockauto.com<http://www.rockauto.com/>


Cullen
B382001452 LROFE

From cmccann at lwpb.com  Tue Oct 27 11:26:52 2009
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:26:52 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Interesting Parts resource online - take 2
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BB2E81882@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

Sorry, the link didn't come thru right, let's try this one:

www.rockauto.com

From arado7 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 27 11:41:09 2009
From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:41:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Interesting Parts resource online
In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BB2E8186E@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>
Message-ID: <984772.16403.qm@web82702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Used em for years.   Good show.     Gary  B9472283

--- On Tue, 10/27/09, Cullen McCann <cmccann at lwpb.com> wrote:


From: Cullen McCann <cmccann at lwpb.com>
Subject: [Tigers] Interesting Parts resource online
To: "Tigers Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 6:12 PM


Friends of the List,

A guy on eBay (yeah, I know, of all places) referred me to this website for
parts availability when I asked him if he had something I needed. I was
actually looking for brake components for my '69 Bronco, and when I realized
just what all information this site has, I thought it was pretty cool.

It appears to be an index of common aftermarket parts thru name brands for
some of the replaceable items on our cars. Its not a complete parts source,
especially the more obscure the vehicle, but there is some valuable
information on here. You can purchase from the online store directly by
adding
to you shopping cart, or (what I was thinking) it might provide some insight
to parts that could be found at our local stores...name brands I recognize as
sitting on the shelves of the corner AutoZone and O'reilly Auto. Sunbeam is
in
there amongst other rarities that you won't find in the computer system when
you got to the AutoZone parts counter. For example, when I sorted down to
1966/ sunbeam/ tiger/ 260/ wheel and hub/ you get about 5 choices of wheel
bearing known manufacturers and the listed part number for the
bearing...maybe
it will reveal more parts available locally than they stores think they have
if you know what I mean. (I'm not looking for wheel bearings for my Tiger it
was just an example)

This might be helpful, especially when you just want to call the store and
ask
them if they have a beck/arnely bearing part #xxxxx instead of telling the
kid
on the phone what kinda car it fits....and relying on him to look it up in
the
book.

Hopefully it could be useful depending on your situation. Check it out if you
have time


http://www.rockauto.com<http://www.rockauto.com/>


Cullen
B382001452 LROFE
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From awtiger at cox.net  Tue Oct 27 12:24:56 2009
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:24:56 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Interesting Parts resource online - take 2
In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BB2E81882@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>
Message-ID: <20091027152456.ER5WA.538293.imail@eastrmwml40>

Cool, Cullen.  I didn't know there was such a resource!!!

Thanks,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740)
B9006857LRX


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> 
> www.rockauto.com
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From cmccann at lwpb.com  Tue Oct 27 12:30:57 2009
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:30:57 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Interesting Parts resource online - take 2
In-Reply-To: <20091027152456.ER5WA.538293.imail@eastrmwml40>
References: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BB2E81882@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>
	<20091027152456.ER5WA.538293.imail@eastrmwml40>
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BB2E818C6@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

well, when Gary came back and said he had been using them for years, I figured it might be something everyone else knew about but me...usually what happens! lol..






To: Tigers Den; Cullen McCann
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Interesting Parts resource online - take 2

Cool, Cullen.  I didn't know there was such a resource!!!

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Tue Oct 27 12:57:51 2009
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:57:51 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Fitting my LAT 79 Goodness..........
In-Reply-To: <20091027152456.ER5WA.538293.imail@eastrmwml40>
Message-ID: <20091027195751.R61MD.298562.root@hrndva-web03-z01>

Ok,

Sorry if this has been covered before but I have a question on fitting the LAT 79 hood.  I talked extensively with a dude (can't remember his name, I suck) about how he fitted Dale's hood.  Long story short, he used wood shims and blue tape to mark the opening of the engine compartment on the back of the new hood.  I understand how you apply the tape to the car around he engine compartment and how to mount the hood using the shims.  Then to latch the hood down and mark the outside of the hood on the tape.  

Now, my question, how do you remove that tape and mark the hood underside with the edge of the opening using the non sticky side of the tape?

Duke
B382002037

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Tue Oct 27 13:16:05 2009
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:16:05 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Fitting my LAT 79 Goodness..........
In-Reply-To: <20091027195751.R61MD.298562.root@hrndva-web03-z01>
References: <20091027152456.ER5WA.538293.imail@eastrmwml40>
	<20091027195751.R61MD.298562.root@hrndva-web03-z01>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019055E1@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

It wasn't me (Tim Ronak went through this... Dunno if he's still on the
list).
However, you can put pieces of tape, sticky side up, around the outside
of the hood opening. Hold them to the car with more pieces of tape,
sticky side down. Then put the hood in place on the hood opening, and
make sure that the sticky-side-up tape is adhered to the hood where it
overlaps with the fenders and elsewhere. Then peel the pieces of tape
that are holding the sticky-side-up tape away and you have the outline
marked.

A different approach:
Apply tape to the hood opening in the conventional way (sticky side
down) so that the inboard edge of the tape matches the hood opening, and
so that tape extends beyond the area covered by the hood as it is.
Put the hood in place on the car, using the shims etc. Now mark on the
tape around the perimeter of the hood.
Remove the hood, peel the tape off (one edge at a time) and then apply
the tape to the matching edge of the hood, taking care to exactly line
up your marking with the edge of the hood. The inboard edge of the tape
now defines the edge of the hood opening on the hood. You'll want to
trim about 1/8" smaller than that, probably. Watch that the tape doesn't
stretch as you apply and peel it.

I'm sure others will have better ideas, but this is just what occurred
to me off the top of my head.

Theo


> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wsamouce at kc.rr.com
> Sent: October 27, 2009 1:58 PM
> To: Tigers Den
> Subject: [Tigers] Fitting my LAT 79 Goodness..........
>
> Ok,
>
> Sorry if this has been covered before but I have a question
> on fitting the LAT 79 hood.  I talked extensively with a dude
> (can't remember his name, I suck) about how he fitted Dale's
> hood.  Long story short, he used wood shims and blue tape to
> mark the opening of the engine compartment on the back of the
> new hood.  I understand how you apply the tape to the car
> around he engine compartment and how to mount the hood using
> the shims.  Then to latch the hood down and mark the outside
> of the hood on the tape.
>
> Now, my question, how do you remove that tape and mark the
> hood underside with the edge of the opening using the non
> sticky side of the tape?
>
> Duke
> B382002037
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From wseay at embarqmail.com  Tue Oct 27 15:52:01 2009
From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:52:01 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Interesting Parts resource online
References: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BB2E8186E@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>
Message-ID: <E1E0E10E20784BE5A889D9F443A67B4C@xpseay>

Cullen,
Thanks for the tip

-Will B382001570
____________________________
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Tue Oct 27 20:55:55 2009
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:55:55 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] axle breather?
References: <39a841b0910270748u6a6007c9ncc38830cdc76189a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <13CF214E04BF4EAEBA998231C7102AC6@student2>

Owain,
  Even though you can't find your axle vent, water found mine.  I recall a 
vague story from the previous owner where he sold the Tiger, then took it 
back for failure of payment.  There was something said about the car being 
thrashed and coming to a stop in a creek etc.  At the time I knew I was 
buying a basket case and thought little of it.

 However, upon closer inspection I found the pinion flange to wobble quite a 
bit.  When I pulled the rear cover off the gear oil was a creamy white which 
of course indicated water.  Anyway, the bearings, gears and even the carrier 
was shot.  One of the bearings had rotated on the carrier and the surface 
was worn about .010 undersize.

While I have not heard any other complaints, the hole itself is poorly 
sealed and is vulnerable to allowing water in.  Perhaps a 4X4 shop might 
have a solution. Otherwise using a fine tap to allow a threaded nipple and a 
hose will allow venting, but properly placed, water shouldn't easily get in.

Tom 

From CoolVT at aol.com  Wed Oct 28 05:41:05 2009
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:41:05 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] axle breather?
Message-ID: <bd5.50f0b107.381995e1@aol.com>

Water in rear is a common problem for people, normally  non Tiger, who tow 
boats and back their cars/trucks down launching ramps to  launch a boat. 
Water gets in and the rear burns out unless fluids are changed  quite often. If 
you buy any used vehicle with a trailer hitch it would be wise  to check 
the rear for this potential problem.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 10/27/2009 11:55:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
atwittsend at verizon.net writes:

Owain,
Even though you can't find your axle vent, water  found mine.  I recall a 
vague story from the previous owner where he  sold the Tiger, then took it 
back for failure of payment.  There was  something said about the car being 
thrashed and coming to a stop in a  creek etc.  At the time I knew I was 
buying a basket case and thought  little of it.

However, upon closer inspection I found the pinion flange  to wobble quite 
a 
bit.  When I pulled the rear cover off the gear oil  was a creamy white 
which 
of course indicated water.  Anyway, the  bearings, gears and even the 
carrier 
was shot.  One of the bearings  had rotated on the carrier and the surface 
was worn about .010  undersize.

While I have not heard any other complaints, the hole itself  is poorly 
sealed and is vulnerable to allowing water in.  Perhaps a  4X4 shop might 
have a solution. Otherwise using a fine tap to allow a  threaded nipple and 
a 
hose will allow venting, but properly placed, water  shouldn't easily get 
in.

Tom  
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From PhastPhill at aol.com  Wed Oct 28 12:27:03 2009
From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:27:03 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Very nice....LAT70 goodness
Message-ID: <c09.6dfac32a.3819f507@aol.com>

Amen I want one!!!!

From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 28 13:32:51 2009
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:32:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] exhaust manifolds needed
Message-ID: <609217.9391.qm@web53607.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

anyone have a set of spare tiger exhaust manifolds in very good shape they are willing to part with?  pls email details and price.  thanks!

peter
laurin212 at yahoo.com

From MWood24020 at aol.com  Thu Oct 29 10:25:33 2009
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:25:33 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] looking for pics of Tiger with PSE "Cobra SC" type
	wheels...
Message-ID: <c6e.432e6543.381b2a0d@aol.com>

I know that there is a car in SoCal that is running the SC Cobra/Halibrand  
style wheel...looking for pics, please, or information. 
 
I'm considering having Phil make me a set, but am really curious to see the 
 wheels on a Tiger, particularly the fronts, with detail of the center to 
rim  halve area (the raised portion of the center in relation to the valve 
stem  surface).
 
Thanks!
Mike Wood

From bobdixon at frii.com  Thu Oct 29 13:10:11 2009
From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:10:11 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] rocker arm clearance
Message-ID: <11734c755946297b9c139cb387d04c81.squirrel@users.frii.com>

Howdy gang,

I'm looking at a potential engine for my Tiger and it has Victor Jr. heads
with Probe shaft rocker arms.  Does anyone know if these rocker arms stick
up too high to fit in a Tiger without modifying the firewall.

Thanks,
Bob

From bob at hermitagewood.com  Thu Oct 29 13:12:08 2009
From: bob at hermitagewood.com (bob at hermitagewood.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:12:08 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] looking for pics of Tiger with PSE "Cobra SC" type
Message-ID: <20091029131207.b095623660cf40184f79453d74a1c7b8.1c8075cfd9.wbe@email.secureserver.net>


From sganz at pacbell.net  Thu Oct 29 13:37:26 2009
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:37:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] rocker arm clearance
In-Reply-To: <11734c755946297b9c139cb387d04c81.squirrel@users.frii.com>
References: <11734c755946297b9c139cb387d04c81.squirrel@users.frii.com>
Message-ID: <532132.3498.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I think the shaft rockers are Ok, I have a set of T&D rockers and they will
almost fit under a stock set of valve covers with the Canfield heads I have
(not sure if rails are raised). The areas that might be problematic is the
ends of the head where the rocker shafts stick out a bit further then stock
style and that is the area where they hit on my testing with chrome stock Ford
style where the ends of the valve cover are more tapered then the cast
aluminum or fabricated style. Also check the heads, some aftermarket heads
have raised valve cover rails, and rasied (slightly) exhaust ports, not sure
if the VJ's do or not in either area.
http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/TigerEngine.html


Sandy



----- Original Message
----
From: Bob Dixon <bobdixon at frii.com>
To: "tigers at autox.team.net"
<tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:10:11 PM
Subject:
[Tigers] rocker arm clearance

Howdy gang,

I'm looking at a potential engine
for my Tiger and it has Victor Jr. heads
with Probe shaft rocker arms.  Does
anyone know if these rocker arms stick
up too high to fit in a Tiger without
modifying the firewall.

Thanks,
Bob
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Thu Oct 29 14:30:43 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:30:43 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] looking for pics of Tiger with PSE "Cobra SC" type
 wheels...
In-Reply-To: <c6e.432e6543.381b2a0d@aol.com>
References: <c6e.432e6543.381b2a0d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0910291430i6666ac4kd10447090b24003@mail.gmail.com>

do you mean the halibrand style that the GT40 used? I have seen those on a
matlic type red tiiger and the HSC style kidney beans on another. The tiger
with kidney beans is on the PS website.. the other GT40 style was on the
cover of the CAT mag about 3 months back for the auotcross.

2009/10/30 <MWood24020 at aol.com>

> I know that there is a car in SoCal that is running the SC Cobra/Halibrand
> style wheel...looking for pics, please, or information.
>
> I'm considering having Phil make me a set, but am really curious to see the
>  wheels on a Tiger, particularly the fronts, with detail of the center to
> rim  halve area (the raised portion of the center in relation to the valve
> stem  surface).
>
> Thanks!
> Mike Wood
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From MWood24020 at aol.com  Thu Oct 29 14:59:10 2009
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:59:10 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] looking for pics of Tiger with PSE "Cobra SC" type
 wheels...
Message-ID: <cc0.6274bcf3.381b6a2e@aol.com>

Actually, there are some slight differences between the Cobra SC/Halibrand  
style and the GT40/Halibrand style, with the Cobra type wheel lending 
itself  more to doing a 4 lug version and being the style that I now know has 
found a  home on at least two Tigers in the U.S. The kidney bean/Halibrand 
wheel, made  popular by the Doane Spencer car, is typically a 5 hole, but the 
first ones that  PSE did, I believe, were 4 hole and can be seen on the 
website. Since then, I  know (thanks to owner Jere Teepen) that there is one set 
of 5 hole, classic  "kidney beans" out there...
 
What I'm trying to get is a detailed shot of the front, 15X6" Cobra SC  
wheel by PSE, just to see how the center/rim relationship looks to my eye, 
prior  to asking PSE to build me a set.
 
Thanks
Mike
 
 
In a message dated 10/29/2009 2:31:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
michael.s.king at gmail.com writes:

do you  mean the halibrand style that the GT40 used? I have seen those on a 
matlic  type red tiiger and the HSC style kidney beans on another. The 
tiger with  kidney beans is on the PS website.. the other GT40 style was on the 
cover of  the CAT mag about 3 months back for the auotcross.

2009/10/30 <_MWood24020 at aol.com_ (mailto:MWood24020 at aol.com) >

I know that there is a car in SoCal that is running the SC  Cobra/Halibrand
style wheel...looking for pics, please, or  information.

I'm considering having Phil make me a set, but am really  curious to see the
wheels on a Tiger, particularly the fronts, with  detail of the center to
rim  halve area (the raised portion of the  center in relation to the valve
stem  surface).

Thanks!
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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Thu Oct 29 15:06:13 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:06:13 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] looking for pics of Tiger with PSE "Cobra SC" type
 wheels...
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Thanks, Michael,

A LOT of wheels used on the Tiger can be found at:

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-wheel.asp

and lots of other stuff on wheels found through the "SEARCH" magnifying 
glass on the T.U. header bar on each page.  I guess I should right up 
and post an explanation of how to find what's on the site.

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michael king wrote:
> do you mean the halibrand style that the GT40 used? I have seen those on a
> matlic type red tiiger and the HSC style kidney beans on another. The tiger
> with kidney beans is on the PS website.. the other GT40 style was on the
> cover of the CAT mag about 3 months back for the auotcross.

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Thu Oct 29 15:17:15 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:17:15 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] looking for pics of Tiger with PSE "Cobra SC" type
 wheels...
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I cant post the pic into the list of course.. but i do have a jpeg of the
car you are reffering to with the wheels, the one on the cover of the CAT
newsletter..
it has these wheels from PS by the looks:
http://www.psvintagewheels.com/images/479_15sc4lug.jpg

http://www.psvintagewheels.com/products.html


the HSC kidney bean style:
http://www.psvintagewheels.com/images/480_tiger_and_rsr_001.jpg
thse are the kidney bean 15" 5 hole on a tiger:
http://www.psvintagewheels.com/images/480_tiger_and_rsr_011_Custom_.jpg






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From MWood24020 at aol.com  Thu Oct 29 15:26:15 2009
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:26:15 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] looking for pics of Tiger with PSE "Cobra SC" type
 wheels...
Message-ID: <ca1.661d78c8.381b7087@aol.com>

Yes, those are the wheels, exactly. PSE has made them in 15X6" and 15X7"  
for Tiger owners, with correct backspace/offset for our fitment. As I've 
said,  at this point, I'm just trying to "eyeball" the center section to outside 
rim  halve relationship on the 15X6", or front wheel, to see how "flat" the 
wheel  looks.
 
If the pic has good detail of the front rims, please send it to me if not  
an inconvenience.
 
Thanks, Michael.
 
Mike Wood
 
 
In a message dated 10/29/2009 3:17:29 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
michael.s.king at gmail.com writes:

I cant post the pic into the list of course.. but i do have a jpeg of the  
car you are reffering to with the wheels, the one on the cover of the CAT  
newsletter..
it has these wheels from PS by the looks:
_http://www.psvintagewheels.com/images/479_15sc4lug.jpg_ 
(http://www.psvintagewheels.com/images/479_15sc4lug.jpg) 
 
_http://www.psvintagewheels.com/products.html_ 
(http://www.psvintagewheels.com/products.html) 
 
 
the HSC kidney bean style:
_http://www.psvintagewheels.com/images/480_tiger_and_rsr_001.jpg_ 
(http://www.psvintagewheels.com/images/480_tiger_and_rsr_001.jpg)    
thse are the kidney bean 15" 5 hole on a tiger:
_http://www.psvintagewheels.com/images/480_tiger_and_rsr_011_Custom_.jpg_ 
(http://www.psvintagewheels.com/images/480_tiger_and_rsr_011_Custom_.jpg) 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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From bobdixon at frii.com  Fri Oct 30 12:08:34 2009
From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:08:34 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Boss 302 in a Tiger?
Message-ID: <a7927a11b06444876168f843bc0a1a12.squirrel@users.frii.com>

Thanks for the responses to rocker arm clearance.

Here's another option.  Has anyone checked if one of the new Boss 302
crate motors will fit.  Those valve covers look awefully tall.

Thanks,
Bob

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Fri Oct 30 14:21:09 2009
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:21:09 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Who's car is this?
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Wow.....just wow.  What a "resto-mod", I love it.

http://imgs5.images.hotrod.com/incoming/113_0603_01_z+1966_sunbeam_tiger+sid
e.jpg

Duke
B382002037

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Fri Oct 30 14:30:43 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:30:43 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Boss 302 in a Tiger?
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I am assuming the USA boss moors are the same as the A ones.. as in over
head cam? They are a very WIDE and tall motor if its the one i am reffering
too, and i doubt they would get in the engine bay let alone under the
firewall.

2009/10/31 Bob Dixon <bobdixon at frii.com>

> Thanks for the responses to rocker arm clearance.
>
> Here's another option.  Has anyone checked if one of the new Boss 302
> crate motors will fit.  Those valve covers look awefully tall.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
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From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net  Fri Oct 30 15:44:49 2009
From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:44:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Boss 302 in a Tiger?
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No... the Boss is small block 302 based, not to be confused with the OHC series.  See this web page:

http://www.fordracingparts.com/crateengine/main.asp

Still may not fit without some modifications... but the Boss sure would make for "Cobra" like performance...

Bill
Grand Rapids, MI




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Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 5:30:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Boss 302 in a Tiger?

I am assuming the USA boss moors are the same as the A ones.. as in over
head cam? They are a very WIDE and tall motor if its the one i am reffering
too, and i doubt they would get in the engine bay let alone under the
firewall.

2009/10/31 Bob Dixon <bobdixon at frii.com>

> Thanks for the responses to rocker arm clearance.
>
> Here's another option.  Has anyone checked if one of the new Boss 302
> crate motors will fit.  Those valve covers look awefully tall.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
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From vesselofgrace at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 30 15:48:04 2009
From: vesselofgrace at hotmail.com (Nathan Johnson)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:48:04 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Valve cover modification
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Has anyone ever tried modifying their valve covers to accomodate aluminum
heads?  I have a set of LAT style covers with the smooth back but I have read
here that when I put aluminum heads on there won't be enough clearance to get
the covers off.  I am planning on going with hydraulic lifters but I assume I
still need to warm up the engine in the car before I adjust the valves.  I
read the Tigers United article about modifying the firewall but I would much
rather modify the covers if possible since they are replaceable.  I had
thought about cutting them somehow into two pieces and then molding a gasket
so that they don't leak any oil.  Any ideas?



Nathan Johnson



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From jim at island.net  Fri Oct 30 16:22:06 2009
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:22:06 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Boss 302 in a Tiger?
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I don't see why one of those BOSS crate motors wouldn't fit... they are
using 'windsor' heads... I have 'Trickflow' heads on my 302 using PBM roller
rockers...my Ford Racing cast aluminum valve cover sitting on the raised
rails ( about 3/8" ) of the Trickflows fit very close to the firewall but I
didn't have to get out the hammer...

...BUT ... when I finally got my back-ordered LAT aluminum valve covers they
were too shallow to clear the rockers...I now have 1/2" spacers under them
but had to 'adjust' the firewall with a ball-peen hammer to get clearance on
the outside corners... :(

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of michael king
Sent: October 30, 2009 2:31 PM
To: Bob Dixon
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Boss 302 in a Tiger?

I am assuming the USA boss moors are the same as the A ones.. as in over
head cam? They are a very WIDE and tall motor if its the one i am reffering
too, and i doubt they would get in the engine bay let alone under the
firewall.

2009/10/31 Bob Dixon <bobdixon at frii.com>

> Thanks for the responses to rocker arm clearance.
>
> Here's another option.  Has anyone checked if one of the new Boss 302
> crate motors will fit.  Those valve covers look awefully tall.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
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From sganz at pacbell.net  Fri Oct 30 16:24:58 2009
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:24:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Boss 302 in a Tiger?
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The new Boss 302 is a SBF not the same as the Cleveland. I think it is
basically a reasonable priced 4bolt main block with screw in freeze plugs.
Would expect it to have the same issues any create motor. They may be for more
modern installs as some comments with reverse rotation pump (serpentine belt
type), rear sump, etc come up on a quick search.
http://www.motorator.com/blog/ford/the-boss-is-back
http://www.jegs.com/i/Ford+Racing/397/M-6007-X302B/10002/-1

Ford's pages
http://www.fordracingparts.com/crateengine/main.asp?target=302

Sandy



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Subject: [Tigers] Boss 302 in a Tiger?

Thanks for the responses
to rocker arm clearance.

Here's another option.  Has anyone checked if one of
the new Boss 302
crate motors will fit.  Those valve covers look awefully
tall.

Thanks,
Bob
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From glowboy at starstream.net  Fri Oct 30 20:33:33 2009
From: glowboy at starstream.net (DERRICK SCHMIDT)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:33:33 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Who's car is this?
Message-ID: <200910302033.AA2178941114@mail.starstream.net>

Don't have a clue as to who it belongs to, but it gave me a woody!
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Samouce's" <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
Date:  Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:21:09 -0500

>Wow.....just wow.  What a "resto-mod", I love it.
>
>http://imgs5.images.hotrod.com/incoming/113_0603_01_z+1966_sunbeam_tig
er+sid
>e.jpg
>
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From mmichels at socal.rr.com  Sat Oct 31 16:06:21 2009
From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:06:21 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Valve cover modification
References: <mailman.17.1256929202.21513.tigers@autox.team.net>
	<BAY122-W1209ED26C2D820E21C572EAEB60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <55B8A070FCBB4A778B459B92F04FF901@delldimension>

I have Edelbrock heads and the LAT type cast valve covers and it is possible 
to get the covers off. The clearance is essentially the same as it was with 
the old cast iron heads, which is to say It's tight and you have to jockey 
things around and make sure the rockers on cylinder 8 are in just the right 
position. You will need to remove the generator and move the expansion tank 
and cuss a lot, but it can be done.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nathan Johnson" <vesselofgrace at hotmail.com>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 3:48 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Valve cover modification


> Has anyone ever tried modifying their valve covers to accomodate aluminum
> heads?  I have a set of LAT style covers with the smooth back but I have 
> read
> here that when I put aluminum heads on there won't be enough clearance to 
> get
> the covers off.  I am planning on going with hydraulic lifters but I 
> assume I
> still need to warm up the engine in the car before I adjust the valves.  I
> read the Tigers United article about modifying the firewall but I would 
> much
> rather modify the covers if possible since they are replaceable.  I had
> thought about cutting them somehow into two pieces and then molding a 
> gasket
> so that they don't leak any oil.  Any ideas?
>
>
>
> Nathan Johnson
>
>
>
> 66 Mark 1A
>
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 20:22:30 2009
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:22:30 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Thrust Buttons
Message-ID: <72A4703A977B472D9777F726AEC30161@OfficePC>

Hey,

 

I took my leaf springs apart today and I'm going to clean them up and put
them back together.  Sunbeam Specialties has all of the rubber parts except
for the "thrust" buttons.  Does anybody have a source for these?  Or does
anybody know how thick they are supposed to be?  Maybe I can cut some from
some nylon or something.

 

Thanks,

Joe Brown

Arlington, TX

B382000217

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sat Oct 31 21:56:40 2009
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:56:40 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Thrust Buttons
References: <72A4703A977B472D9777F726AEC30161@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <74616A4B7CA3439A940D4AC57A22545A@student2>

Joe,
  I used faucet washers. Not sure how long they will last (10 year project - 
still on jack stands), but the center hole was a great place to put grease.
Tom