From dave at munroe.ca  Sun Nov  1 06:59:56 2009
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 09:59:56 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Thrust Buttons
In-Reply-To: <72A4703A977B472D9777F726AEC30161@OfficePC>
References: <72A4703A977B472D9777F726AEC30161@OfficePC>
Message-ID: <2DF899365B444B69A5C3C25F0AAE5A75@DavePC>

Joe;

Gary Crandall, a participant on this List, has had them on eBay from time to 
time. I bought a set from him a couple of months ago. Try him here:
maliburevue at yahoo.com <maliburevue at yahoo.com

Best of luck,

Dave

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Brown" <jbbrown1980 at gmail.com>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:22 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Thrust Buttons


> Hey,
>
>
>
> I took my leaf springs apart today and I'm going to clean them up and put
> them back together.  Sunbeam Specialties has all of the rubber parts 
> except
> for the "thrust" buttons.  Does anybody have a source for these?  Or does
> anybody know how thick they are supposed to be?  Maybe I can cut some from
> some nylon or something.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe Brown
>
> Arlington, TX
>
> B382000217
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From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  1 07:43:02 2009
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:43:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Bypass for the kid
Message-ID: <55393.39241.qm@web111606.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

A 5 way bypass on Tuesday, has set me back a bit.
I'll keep up with the list.  Thanks for your prayers.
 
Dave

From butley1 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 09:44:51 2009
From: butley1 at gmail.com (Carl Thoene)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:44:51 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale
Message-ID: <ef5437830911010844q60a85361m2d3030b403543cf3@mail.gmail.com>

Selling my 66 Tiger MK1 A please see attachment
For Sale: A 1966 Sunbeam Tiger Mk1A that has been in the family for around 30 years. The milage of 40,000+ miles
is probably accurate since speedo has worked all the time we had the car.This car has been a garage queen. 
The car has been restored over the last 10 years but the color is not original.It was green but now is red.
It is mostly original except for the following notable exceptions: Hood vents, Air Conditioning, header tank, vinyl
over soft top covers. M-Benz elect. fan between cond and custom radiator, 4Bbl. holley,Tiger Tom air cleaner assbly.
The soft top frame is rebuilt but the new Robbins top is NOT installed. /the factory hard top is ready to re-assemble
and all trim and parts are ready to go including side new side and rear plastic. Also included is a new headliner.
The car looks and runs great and does not overheat.The car has a stainless exhaust from manifolds back and sounds 
fantastic. has new clutch slave and stainless brake pistons and original brake servo. The instruments all work except
the clock (DUH). Included is the original trunk/Batt cover but it needs restoration. Trunk and floor pans are not rusted out.
Lights and switches all work but horns not installed. Steering Wheel and horn ring in great shape and instrument panel
looks great. Steering wheel still adjusts and locks fine. There is a cabinet full of extra parts to go with the car.
I can furnish any wanted pix of car upon request. I hate to sell my Tiger but we want a motorhome and this will help
us get one   please e-mail at  butley1 at gmail.com  for any needed info. I am asking 28,000.00 obo
SN: B9472002LRXFE and norman has this car on file.   Thanks very much, Carl 

From rootes1 at earthlink.net  Sun Nov  1 11:49:08 2009
From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller)
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 10:49:08 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] TEXAS-TAC
Message-ID: <E1N4fVh-0002kz-19@elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

As is well publicized, everything's BIGGER in Texas.  As it turns out 
we can now add BIG TAC to the list of Lone Star hoopla.  Thumbs up to 
all those involved in adding TEN new entries to STOA's list of 
authenticated Sunbeam Tigers.  With the exception of one (Dennis 
Hobbs from Oklahoma City, OK), all of the displayed gents hail from 
long-horn country.  There's additional impressive news.  Mr. Rob Roy 
has been approved and elevated to Senior TAC Inspector.  That means 
there is now a full functioning authentication team based in Keller, 
TX - spread the word.

http://4cw29a.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pjK3TE-jzMsGrupSoXz7VvXxVYsD0xw3j_p6CcM169Gx11TZkRSpSdmqw6szf3JO4DAr0JORpda5STJy_8ekWRFdRyBowC3nW/texas-tac.jpg

Norm


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From rcsphx1 at cox.net  Sun Nov  1 16:41:58 2009
From: rcsphx1 at cox.net (Richard)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:41:58 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] charging question
Message-ID: <059A7618A6F4451D88E38F6D83FFDF84@D4TDG641>

'67 Tiger MKII alternator charging system.  I have made the tests that I found
on the internet (with some conflicting information) and have replace the
voltage regulator with a new one from NAPA.  Taking a base line reading on the
battery before the test I get 12.9 volts.  Ambient temperature this morning
was about 75 degrees.  When running at normal operation temperature and rpm's
at or above 1500 the battery voltage reads a consistent 14.8 volts, and at
idle dropping down to 14.5 volts.  Is this normal or is it considered an
overcharging condition?  If so what would be the likely cause, everything I
checked seems to be close to the specs I can find.

I can find no specs in the workshop manual as to what is nominal for this
alternator system.

Thanks for the help

Richard

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Nov  1 20:57:11 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:57:11 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] charging question
In-Reply-To: <059A7618A6F4451D88E38F6D83FFDF84@D4TDG641>
Message-ID: <5C428A7ECB19432A8AEFC1B3E274A1B0@ronpc1>

Richard
	All the specs for the charging system are on pg 20 of the Workshop
Manual, General Data Section.

@ 75 degrees it should run 14.1 to 14.9 v
Stock Autolite Alternator is rated at 38 amps at 15v.

Any voltage over 15v would be overcharging or a constant 38 amps at any rpm
with a good battery that is fully charged would be overcharging.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 6:42 PM
To: Tiger List
Subject: [Tigers] charging question


'67 Tiger MKII alternator charging system.  I have made the tests that I
found on the internet (with some conflicting information) and have replace
the voltage regulator with a new one from NAPA.  Taking a base line reading
on the battery before the test I get 12.9 volts.  Ambient temperature this
morning was about 75 degrees.  When running at normal operation temperature
and rpm's at or above 1500 the battery voltage reads a consistent 14.8
volts, and at idle dropping down to 14.5 volts.  Is this normal or is it
considered an overcharging condition?  If so what would be the likely cause,
everything I checked seems to be close to the specs I can find.

I can find no specs in the workshop manual as to what is nominal for this
alternator system.

Thanks for the help

Richard
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From rcsphx1 at cox.net  Sun Nov  1 21:14:16 2009
From: rcsphx1 at cox.net (Richard)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 21:14:16 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] charging question
Message-ID: <F3860582290D45C9B3CB4FE890BB1992@D4TDG641>

Thanks everybody for the help with the charging question!

Richard

From rootes1 at earthlink.net  Mon Nov  2 00:44:56 2009
From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller)
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:44:56 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] TEXAS-TAC TWO
Message-ID: <E1N4rbP-00078w-Dj@elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Looks like I might have broken the link to my Texas 
trumpeting.  Hopefully this is a more rewarding URL:
http://4cw29a.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p6ZyEL0v8q7YhiMXQdT62OU764J2GWdpqlg7mG3S6RRHmVXkSIdcMW7hcSo1P6nF21REzaoyi6P__A-OZTVG9P_UOlsP5RLbG/texas-tac.jpg

Norm


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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Mon Nov  2 06:02:29 2009
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 08:02:29 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] LAT 79 GrillZ?
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References: <059A7618A6F4451D88E38F6D83FFDF84@D4TDG641>
Message-ID: <000601ca5bbc$bc7676e0$356364a0$@rr.com>

Does anyone have a good picture of the wire mesh that was in the LAT 79
openings?  I don't know if they were and option or a good idea but I want
them in my LAT 79 goodness.

Thanks!
Duke
B382002037

From larryall at pacbell.net  Mon Nov  2 08:56:07 2009
From: larryall at pacbell.net (larryall at pacbell.net)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:56:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Light Pressure Switch
Message-ID: <736631.16413.qm@web83008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I want to remove my pressure switch and cap off.  Anyone have suggestions for
where I can get that cap and possibly the thread type/size?
 
Regards

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Nov  2 10:27:57 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:27:57 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Light Pressure Switch
In-Reply-To: <736631.16413.qm@web83008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B46FCC806D1A44039F3ED44B60B0A85B@ronpc1>

Larry
	Should be 3/8" x 24 threads but unless the pressure switch is
leaking; the switch makes the best plug of all here.

Ron Fraser

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On Behalf Of larryall at pacbell.net
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 10:56 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Brake Light Pressure Switch


I want to remove my pressure switch and cap off.  Anyone have suggestions
for where I can get that cap and possibly the thread type/size?
 
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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Mon Nov  2 12:20:04 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:20:04 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] LAT 79 GrillZ?
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References: <059A7618A6F4451D88E38F6D83FFDF84@D4TDG641>
	<000601ca5bbc$bc7676e0$356364a0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <4AEF30E4.8010600@SoCal.rr.com>

Duke,

My LAT 79 hood has "expanded metal" grates on the carb intake, and the 
two rear scoops, that are "glassed in" during manufacture, and not 
removable without cutting the bonds.

There are lots of tricks on the installation/fit that have been covered 
on the list, recently.

The following TigersUnited.com link:

<http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-body9.asp>

covers a lot of information on design and installation from names you 
should know.  Very importantly, it covers the proper installation 
fitting and hood hook settings to prevent "lock-up"

Some very good pictures of the OFFICIAL LAT CATALOG, including the hood, 
are on TU.com:

 <http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_service/LAT-brochure.pdf>


Showing the "scoops" and mesh.

A "SEARCH" magnifying glass link on the page header will find most 
anything you can spell.

Steve

___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



Samouce's wrote:
> Does anyone have a good picture of the wire mesh that was in the LAT 79
> openings?  I don't know if they were and option or a good idea but I want
> them in my LAT 79 goodness.
>
> Thanks!
> Duke
> B382002037

From butley1 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 12:21:18 2009
From: butley1 at gmail.com (Carl Thoene)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:21:18 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale
Message-ID: <ef5437830911021121ifcca8d2jefd98e92d028e8cf@mail.gmail.com>

Hi again thanks for the responses. I have a couple of things to add about
the car. It is now on Ebay and now the bad I cant find one of the vent wing
windows for the hardtop I  blame wife and she blames me. we will keep
looking. All needed new seals seem to me there for the top. I also kept the
old generator and bracket for the car when installing the alternator. I hope
those of you wanting pix received them. If not let me know.     Carl

From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Nov  2 13:40:52 2009
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:40:52 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Hood and scoops
Message-ID: <c5d.5d916ae8.38209dd4@aol.com>

On the subject of hoods....I was measuring to possibly  put a scoop on an 
old Alpine hood and I noticed that the center of my air  cleaner seems to be 
about 3/4" closer to the hood edge opening on the driver's  side than on the 
passenger side.
Are all cars like this?  I have an Edelbrock  intake and carb.  Is it my 
replacement parts that cause this or is it the  same on the stock set-up?
Mark L

From gotttiger at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  2 13:58:53 2009
From: gotttiger at yahoo.com (Gary Ott)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 12:58:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
Message-ID: <702066379.4475547.1257195533605.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn06.prod>

LinkedIn
------------



   
I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn.

- Gary

Accept Gary Ott's invite:
https://www.linkedin.com/e/isd/835962640/uHkjzylw/



 
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 17:05:45 2009
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:05:45 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] TEXAS-TAC TWO
In-Reply-To: <E1N4rbP-00078w-Dj@elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <E1N4rbP-00078w-Dj@elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <99186981A0F5458B8F88E5CA4127F70B@OfficePC>

Hair color seems to be a common theme here.

Joe

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On Behalf Of Norman C. Miller
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 1:45 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] TEXAS-TAC TWO

Looks like I might have broken the link to my Texas 
trumpeting.  Hopefully this is a more rewarding URL:
http://4cw29a.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p6ZyEL0v8q7YhiMXQdT62OU764J2GWdpqlg7mG
3S6RRHmVXkSIdcMW7hcSo1P6nF21REzaoyi6P__A-OZTVG9P_UOlsP5RLbG/texas-tac.jpg

Norm


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From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  2 17:17:44 2009
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:17:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] charging question
In-Reply-To: <059A7618A6F4451D88E38F6D83FFDF84@D4TDG641>
Message-ID: <713379.1786.qm@web111602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

14.5 is a tid too high.  13.8 to 14.0 would be better.
Watch the battery level and put a plastic tra under
it and you should be fine.  Or buy a battery boc
and put its iinside.
 
Dave - still alive

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From: Richard <rcsphx1 at cox.net>
Subject: [Tigers] charging question
To: "Tiger List" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 11:41 PM


'67 Tiger MKII alternator charging system.  I have made the tests that I
found
on the internet (with some conflicting information) and have replace the
voltage regulator with a new one from NAPA.  Taking a base line reading on
the
battery before the test I get 12.9 volts.  Ambient temperature this morning
was about 75 degrees.  When running at normal operation temperature and rpm's
at or above 1500 the battery voltage reads a consistent 14.8 volts, and at
idle dropping down to 14.5 volts.  Is this normal or is it considered an
overcharging condition?  If so what would be the likely cause, everything I
checked seems to be close to the specs I can find.

I can find no specs in the workshop manual as to what is nominal for this
alternator system.

Thanks for the help

Richard
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From sixtysixtiger at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  2 17:34:52 2009
From: sixtysixtiger at hotmail.com (Arden Bedell)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:34:52 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
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References: <702066379.4475547.1257195533605.JavaMail.app@ech3-cdn06.prod>
Message-ID: <SNT127-DS209112D82C797C9022091AFB20@phx.gbl>

All of us?


--------------------------------------------------
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Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 1:58 PM
To: "Tiger List" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

> LinkedIn
> ------------
> 
> 
> 
>   
> I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn.
> 
> - Gary
> 
> Accept Gary Ott's invite:
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> 
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Nov  2 17:46:14 2009
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:46:14 EST
Subject: [Tigers] TEXAS-TAC TWO
Message-ID: <c7c.5ced0d47.3820d756@aol.com>

I noticed the same thing.  And now I know I'm  going to have to get some 
white facial hair going if I'm going to fit  in.
Mark
 
 
In a message dated 11/2/2009 7:39:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jbbrown1980 at gmail.com writes:

Hair  color seems to be a common theme here.

Joe

-----Original  Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net  [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Norman C.  Miller
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 1:45 AM
To:  tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] TEXAS-TAC TWO

Looks like I  might have broken the link to my Texas 
trumpeting.  Hopefully this is  a more rewarding  URL:
http://4cw29a.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p6ZyEL0v8q7YhiMXQdT62OU764J2GWdpqlg7mG
3S6RRHmVXkSIdcMW7hcSo1P6nF21REzaoyi6P__A-OZTVG9P_UOlsP5RLbG/texas-tac.jpg

Norm


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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Nov  2 18:09:00 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 20:09:00 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Hood and scoops
In-Reply-To: <c5d.5d916ae8.38209dd4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5FDDE33DA47B4C4B833A6463037CB4CB@ronpc1>

Mark
	My stock set up is centered to within a 1/16".
3/4" seems extreme to me.
Measure again to verify then start checking your components for center.

Ron Fraser

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On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 3:41 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Hood and scoops


On the subject of hoods....I was measuring to possibly  put a scoop on an
old Alpine hood and I noticed that the center of my air  cleaner seems to be

about 3/4" closer to the hood edge opening on the driver's  side than on the

passenger side.
Are all cars like this?  I have an Edelbrock  intake and carb.  Is it my
replacement parts that cause this or is it the  same on the stock set-up?
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From geowiz.sgy at cox.net  Mon Nov  2 21:11:51 2009
From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 22:11:51 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires - Part II
Message-ID: <8B54A040FB914E459465C86B14406916@JEPHome>

OK.  Maybe someone out there can explain this to me.  I turn on the running
lights and both front white lights come on.  I turn on the right turn signal
and the amber light blinks.  I turn on the left turn signal and the white
light blinks.  The left amber light never comes on.  I disconnect either of
the wires to the left running light/turn signal and the white light goes out
when either the running lights or left turn signal is on.  I'm stumped.  Any
suggestions?

Jim Pickard
B9473298 ('65 Tiger)
AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold
2003 Mini Cooper
Lafayette, LA

From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov  3 00:15:00 2009
From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 23:15:00 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires - Part II
In-Reply-To: <8B54A040FB914E459465C86B14406916@JEPHome>
References: <8B54A040FB914E459465C86B14406916@JEPHome>
Message-ID: <43C47AE4E8F5420890A852D8ED0F6AC9@ROSS>

James,

Clean your grounds on the front lighting circuit and the problem will clear
up magically.  They are located under the nut front hood (bonnet)rubber
feet.

Ross


OK.  Maybe someone out there can explain this to me.  I turn on the running
lights and both front white lights come on.  I turn on the right turn signal
and the amber light blinks.  I turn on the left turn signal and the white
light blinks.  The left amber light never comes on.  I disconnect either of
the wires to the left running light/turn signal and the white light goes out
when either the running lights or left turn signal is on.  I'm stumped.  Any
suggestions?

Jim Pickard
B9473298 ('65 Tiger)
AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold
2003 Mini Cooper
Lafayette, LA

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 02:39:55 2009
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:39:55 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires - Part II
In-Reply-To: <43C47AE4E8F5420890A852D8ED0F6AC9@ROSS>
References: <8B54A040FB914E459465C86B14406916@JEPHome>
	<43C47AE4E8F5420890A852D8ED0F6AC9@ROSS>
Message-ID: <39a841b0911030139i78e767ddm4dafc6985147e76e@mail.gmail.com>

definitely bad grounds.
i attacked those lights with silicon sealant all round the back and over a
newly cleaned up ground connection.  they get tons of water/mud/grit thrown
over them.

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:15 AM, Ross <ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> James,
>
> Clean your grounds on the front lighting circuit and the problem will clear
> up magically.  They are located under the nut front hood (bonnet)rubber
> feet.
>
> Ross
>
>
> OK.  Maybe someone out there can explain this to me.  I turn on the running
> lights and both front white lights come on.  I turn on the right turn
> signal
> and the amber light blinks.  I turn on the left turn signal and the white
> light blinks.  The left amber light never comes on.  I disconnect either of
> the wires to the left running light/turn signal and the white light goes
> out
> when either the running lights or left turn signal is on.  I'm stumped.
>  Any
> suggestions?
>
> Jim Pickard
> B9473298 ('65 Tiger)
> AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold
> 2003 Mini Cooper
> Lafayette, LA
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From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  3 07:16:37 2009
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 06:16:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires - Part II
In-Reply-To: <8B54A040FB914E459465C86B14406916@JEPHome>
Message-ID: <993192.12228.qm@web111614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Classic symtoms of a bad ground on the front turn lights.
Try running the sheet meatl mounting screws in and out to get
a good bite for ground.  You'll be amazed at the combination
of lights that flash.  Right turn on, left rear flashes, left turn
and the right parking linght flashes 
 
There was an old CAT tech tip about running new grounds to the
asseblies.  For now clean the grounds up front.
 
Dave

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, James E. Pickard <geowiz.sgy at cox.net> wrote:


From: James E. Pickard <geowiz.sgy at cox.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires - Part II
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 4:11 AM


OK.  Maybe someone out there can explain this to me.  I turn on the running
lights and both front white lights come on.  I turn on the right turn signal
and the amber light blinks.  I turn on the left turn signal and the white
light blinks.  The left amber light never comes on.  I disconnect either of
the wires to the left running light/turn signal and the white light goes out
when either the running lights or left turn signal is on.  I'm stumped.  Any
suggestions?

Jim Pickard
B9473298 ('65 Tiger)
AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold
2003 Mini Cooper
Lafayette, LA
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From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Tue Nov  3 07:27:59 2009
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 09:27:59 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed Wires and Facial Hair (OT?)
Message-ID: <4AF03DEF.4050803@roadrunner.com>

At least 90% of all electrical problems with British cars are caused by 
a bad ground (earth)!  That is always the first thing to check.  The 
front lamps are notorious for this fault unless you have corrected it by 
running a separate ground wire.

On the subject of white facial hair - more is better.  It is a sign of 
wisdom and adds a distinguished air to those who display it.  Sort of 
like silver-back gorillas! ;>)  It is advisable, however, to pay 
attention to the position of one's beard when messing about with British 
electrics, as I have discovered that there is Lucas smoke stored in my 
beard (probably a result of pretty near 50 years of close proximity to 
British cars.)

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com  Tue Nov  3 07:28:50 2009
From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:28:50 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires - Part II
Message-ID: <bf2.614d1cb3.38219822@aol.com>

The same ground is also responsible for the brightness of the head lamps. I 
 had one very dull lamp, cleaned the ground under the hood buffer and all 
is  well.
 
Fred Baum

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Tue Nov  3 08:23:12 2009
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:23:12 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires - Part II
In-Reply-To: <993192.12228.qm@web111614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <8B54A040FB914E459465C86B14406916@JEPHome>
	<993192.12228.qm@web111614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019055FB@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

I rebuilt the front marker/signal light assemblies on my Tiger... The
white metal castings (? Not sure what the exact alloy is) were corroded
through around the outside corners, so I cleaned up the corrosion and
then sealed up the gaps with silicone. The wedge bulb fittings for the
clear marker lights were bent out of shape, the contacts were no longer
properly seated in the base, and the rubber grommets had turned to
concrete. I got some quarter-turn molded plastic sockets, and drilled
and filed the base of the marker light casting to accept these sockets.
This left the turn signal light without any ground, so I stripped about
1 inch of insulation from a piece of 16 gauge stranded wire, clamped it
to the base of the turn signal part of the housing with a hose clamp,
and then covered the bare wire portion with more silicone. I put ring
lugs on the two ground wires, as well as the ground wire from the
headlight, and then mounted the ring lugs to the chassis flange just
below the turn signal light mounting.

Those 194-bulb sockets are commonly available at auto parts stores. I
ended up trimming some of the latching mechanism off so there were two
bayonets holding it in place rather than four, but other than that it
was a really straightforward install.

Cheers,
Theo

PS: Dave, good luck on your recovery. When your doctor lets you, work up
to walking or jogging a mile a day, every day. It can't fix a
pre-existing heart condition, but it will keep your knees and hips from
deteriorating - and you need those to drive the Tiger.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David T Johnson
> Sent: November 3, 2009 7:17 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net; James E. Pickard
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossed wires - Part II
>
> Classic symtoms of a bad ground on the front turn lights.
> Try running the sheet meatl mounting screws in and out to get
> a good bite for ground.  You'll be amazed at the combination
> of lights that flash.  Right turn on, left rear flashes, left
> turn and the right parking linght flashes
>
> There was an old CAT tech tip about running new grounds to
> the asseblies.  For now clean the grounds up front.
>
> Dave

From RSSmithIQ at cs.com  Tue Nov  3 10:17:02 2009
From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:17:02 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires - Part II
In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019055FB@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
References: <8B54A040FB914E459465C86B14406916@JEPHome>
	<993192.12228.qm@web111614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019055FB@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <4AF0658E.6000304@cs.com>

Some of you guys probably know much more about this than I do, but Theo 
mentioning using silicone sealant reminded me about this.  Some RTV 
silicone sealants can be quite acidic.  I used some to seal a plastic 
cover to the aluminum case on my motorcycle and it had a nasty corrosive 
reaction with the aluminum in a relatively short period of time.  When I 
inquired, a very knowledgeable motorcycle mechanic explained that many 
RTV Silicone products are very acidic.  That is why the rear windows 
fell out (rusted out) of many of the early 80's Chevys, since they were 
an early application of the use of silicone as a sealant.  I believe the 
acid may be used as a catalyst for curing the RTV or something.  I also 
believe that there are silicone sealants out there that have a more 
neutral PH.  Anyone know more about this?  I've been trying to avoid RTV 
around any of my car body parts because of my previous bad experience.

-Randy

Randy Smith
INNER QUEST, Inc.
34752 Charles Town Pike
Purcellville, VA  20132
703-478-1078
540-668-6699
540-668-6253 fax

InnerQuestOnline.com <http://www.innerquestonline.com/>
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Tiger- B382000189

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Tue Nov  3 11:19:06 2009
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:19:06 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires - Part II
In-Reply-To: <4AF0658E.6000304@cs.com>
References: <8B54A040FB914E459465C86B14406916@JEPHome>
	<993192.12228.qm@web111614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019055FB@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
	<4AF0658E.6000304@cs.com>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019055FC@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

I used gray Permatex gasket forming sealant on the marker lights. I
don't think it is acid based. Other silicones that I've used release
acetic acid as they cure, but I've never noticed any serious corrosion
on metal parts that I've applied it to.

Theo


________________________________

	From: Randy Smith [mailto:RSSmithIQ at cs.com]
	Sent: November 3, 2009 10:17 AM
	To: tigers at autox.team.net
	Cc: Smit, Theo
	Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossed wires - Part II


	Some of you guys probably know much more about this than I do,
but Theo mentioning using silicone sealant reminded me about this.  Some
RTV silicone sealants can be quite acidic.  I used some to seal a
plastic cover to the aluminum case on my motorcycle and it had a nasty
corrosive reaction with the aluminum in a relatively short period of
time.  When I inquired, a very knowledgeable motorcycle mechanic
explained that many RTV Silicone products are very acidic.  That is why
the rear windows fell out (rusted out) of many of the early 80's Chevys,
since they were an early application of the use of silicone as a
sealant.  I believe the acid may be used as a catalyst for curing the
RTV or something.  I also believe that there are silicone sealants out
there that have a more neutral PH.  Anyone know more about this?  I've
been trying to avoid RTV around any of my car body parts because of my
previous bad experience.

	-Randy



	Randy Smith
	INNER QUEST, Inc.
	34752 Charles Town Pike
	Purcellville, VA  20132
	703-478-1078
	540-668-6699
	540-668-6253 fax

	InnerQuestOnline.com <http://www.innerquestonline.com/>
	RSSmithIQ at cs.com
	Tiger- B382000189

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  3 12:30:22 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 11:30:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires - Part II
Message-ID: <795012.60566.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

 Ive always used Permatex brand too. Blue mostly but black and orange too. On
my cars and Harelys as well and have never had any problems of any type on
aluminum or other material. I dont know how many RTV silicone suppliers are
around but Permatex seems to work well for me. I will have to check on the
gray that Theo mentioned. I dont recall seeing it in the states- could it be a
Canada color? Theo the orange is for high temp applications. Does the gray
have a certain application?
TtT 

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:

> From: Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossed wires - Part II
> To: "Randy Smith" <RSSmithIQ at cs.com>, tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 12:19 PM
> I used gray Permatex gasket forming
> sealant on the marker lights. I
> don't think it is acid based. Other silicones that I've
> used release
> acetic acid as they cure, but I've never noticed any
> serious corrosion
> on metal parts that I've applied it to.
>
> Theo
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>     From: Randy Smith [mailto:RSSmithIQ at cs.com]
>     Sent: November 3, 2009 10:17 AM
>     To: tigers at autox.team.net
>     Cc: Smit, Theo
>     Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossed wires -
> Part II
>
>
>     Some of you guys probably know much more
> about this than I do,
> but Theo mentioning using silicone sealant reminded me
> about this.  Some
> RTV silicone sealants can be quite acidic.  I used
> some to seal a
> plastic cover to the aluminum case on my motorcycle and it
> had a nasty
> corrosive reaction with the aluminum in a relatively short
> period of
> time.  When I inquired, a very knowledgeable
> motorcycle mechanic
> explained that many RTV Silicone products are very
> acidic.  That is why
> the rear windows fell out (rusted out) of many of the early
> 80's Chevys,
> since they were an early application of the use of silicone
> as a
> sealant.  I believe the acid may be used as a catalyst
> for curing the
> RTV or something.  I also believe that there are
> silicone sealants out
> there that have a more neutral PH.  Anyone know more
> about this?  I've
> been trying to avoid RTV around any of my car body parts
> because of my
> previous bad experience.
>
>     -Randy
>
>
>
>     Randy Smith
>     INNER QUEST, Inc.
>     34752 Charles Town Pike
>     Purcellville, VA  20132
>     703-478-1078
>     540-668-6699
>     540-668-6253 fax
>
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Tue Nov  3 12:39:02 2009
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 12:39:02 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires - Part II
In-Reply-To: <795012.60566.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <795012.60566.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019055FD@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

Pretty sure this is it... I'd have to go look at the tube at home to be
sure.
http://www.permatex.com/products/Automotive/automotive_gasketing/gasket_
makers/auto_Permatex_Ultra_Grey_Rigid_High-Torque_RTV_Silicone_Gasket_Ma
ker.htm

If it was a Canada color it would come out red and white like the kids'
toothpaste ;)

Theo

From RSSmithIQ at cs.com  Tue Nov  3 13:01:27 2009
From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:01:27 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires - Part II
In-Reply-To: <795012.60566.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <795012.60566.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AF08C17.8010003@cs.com>

Tony-

The Blue Permatex brand RTV is what I had problems with.  There are a 
couple of slightly different blues out there, and maybe mine was a older 
version.  I had that issue in 2002.  I also use the Ultra Grey.  
Actually, that 's my favorite for gaskets.  That's the stuff they put 
the Ford Powerstrokes together with at the factory and it seems to be a 
bit more heavy duty.  By the way, it is available in "the states"!  I 
have not had any bad experiences with the grey, so maybe it has a more 
neutral PH.  Again, if any of you chemists more about this, I'd be 
interested to hear.

-Randy

-- 

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INNER QUEST, Inc.
34752 Charles Town Pike
Purcellville, VA  20132
703-478-1078
540-668-6699
540-668-6253 fax

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From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Tue Nov  3 13:11:27 2009
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:11:27 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires - Part II
Message-ID: <d0a.5c7b3eb1.3821e86f@aol.com>

Use neutral cure silicone it has no acid in it. Older Jags really had a  
problem with this. The GM cars had Urethane as a glue system it was just no 
rust  protection and lousy drainage.  
B382002560

 
 
In a message dated 11/3/2009 11:12:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
Theo.Smit at dynastream.com writes:

I used  gray Permatex gasket forming sealant on the marker lights. I
don't think it  is acid based. Other silicones that I've used release
acetic acid as they  cure, but I've never noticed any serious corrosion
on metal parts that I've  applied it  to.

Theo


________________________________

From: Randy Smith [mailto:RSSmithIQ at cs.com]
Sent:  November 3, 2009 10:17 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Cc: Smit, Theo
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossed wires -  Part II


Some of you guys probably know much more  about this than I do,
but Theo mentioning using silicone sealant reminded  me about this.  Some
RTV silicone sealants can be quite acidic.   I used some to seal a
plastic cover to the aluminum case on my motorcycle  and it had a nasty
corrosive reaction with the aluminum in a relatively  short period of
time.  When I inquired, a very knowledgeable  motorcycle mechanic
explained that many RTV Silicone products are very  acidic.  That is why
the rear windows fell out (rusted out) of many of  the early 80's Chevys,
since they were an early application of the use of  silicone as a
sealant.  I believe the acid may be used as a catalyst  for curing the
RTV or something.  I also believe that there are  silicone sealants out
there that have a more neutral PH.  Anyone know  more about this?  I've
been trying to avoid RTV around any of my car  body parts because of my
previous bad experience.

-Randy



Randy Smith
INNER QUEST,  Inc.
34752 Charles Town Pike
Purcellville,  VA  20132
703-478-1078
540-668-6699
540-668-6253 fax

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Nov  3 13:55:23 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:55:23 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires - Part II
In-Reply-To: <4AF0658E.6000304@cs.com>
Message-ID: <0D831F8A47624195A4DFCE2627898C1F@ronpc1>

Randy
	I believe RTV that is sensor safe is the type you want.
I'm not 100% sure that is correct but it sounds right.

I'm looking at the packaging for Permatex Ultra Grey; states Sensor Safe and
Non-corrosive.
Always check the package for Non-corrosive.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Randy Smith
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 12:17 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Cc: Smit, Theo
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossed wires - Part II


Some of you guys probably know much more about this than I do, but Theo
mentioning using silicone sealant reminded me about this.  Some RTV
silicone sealants can be quite acidic.  I used some to seal a plastic
cover to the aluminum case on my motorcycle and it had a nasty corrosive
reaction with the aluminum in a relatively short period of time.  When I
inquired, a very knowledgeable motorcycle mechanic explained that many
RTV Silicone products are very acidic.  That is why the rear windows
fell out (rusted out) of many of the early 80's Chevys, since they were
an early application of the use of silicone as a sealant.  I believe the
acid may be used as a catalyst for curing the RTV or something.  I also
believe that there are silicone sealants out there that have a more
neutral PH.  Anyone know more about this?  I've been trying to avoid RTV
around any of my car body parts because of my previous bad experience.

-Randy

Randy Smith
INNER QUEST, Inc.
34752 Charles Town Pike
Purcellville, VA  20132
703-478-1078
540-668-6699
540-668-6253 fax

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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Tue Nov  3 14:01:07 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:01:07 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires - Part II
In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019055FC@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
References: <8B54A040FB914E459465C86B14406916@JEPHome>
	<993192.12228.qm@web111614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019055FB@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
	<4AF0658E.6000304@cs.com>
	<60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019055FC@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <4AF09A13.8080901@SoCal.rr.com>

BE VERY CAREFUL.

While acetic acid forms (CH3COOH), also known as ethanoic acid, is an 
organic acid which gives vinegar its sour taste and pungent smell. 
However, the substance may be toxic to kidneys, mucous membranes, skin, 
teeth, etc.

<http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSDS-Acetic_acid-9922769 
<cid:part1.04070202.09070105 at SoCal.rr.com> >

I believe some bottles of salad dressing and vinegar have quantities in 
it, SO DO NOT PUT "Permatex" in your salad!

NOTE:  It seems the Italians and the French have developed an immunity 
to this drug from long time ingestion in small quantities.

Steve
<cid:part1.04070202.09070105 at SoCal.rr.com>

___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



Smit, Theo wrote:
> I used gray Permatex gasket forming sealant on the marker lights. I
> don't think it is acid based. Other silicones that I've used release
> acetic acid as they cure, but I've never noticed any serious corrosion
> on metal parts that I've applied it to.
>
> Theo

From w1gsl at MIT.EDU  Tue Nov  3 15:00:47 2009
From: w1gsl at MIT.EDU (Steven L. Finberg)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:00:47 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires....
Message-ID: <200911032200.nA3M0lZE023840@grumpy-fuzzball.mit.edu>

Hi James 

Seems this comes up every year or so.. A response I wrote up 
a while ago follows.

BTW the running light can work even though the ground is missing, 
as its current finds a sneak path to ground through all the larger 
turn signal bulbs..  If it is the ground, when the turnsignal tries
to turn on.. the running light in that fixture should go off.

Sealing out moisture is a good idea but isn't the root of the
problem.   It really is a "prince of darkness" design flaw (feature).

			Steve F


ADD A REAL GROUND WIRE.		(c) 1996 Steve Finberg 

Failure of the front turn signals is common on the series IV and V
Alpines and late Tigers.  The usual cause is a poor ground return
connection at the front lamp. 

This is due to Lucas's failure to provide a proper ground
connection.  The circuit depends on the mounting screws making a
good electrical connection from the chrome body of the lamp  to
the "Timmerman" nut and them to the steel fender.  Any corrosion
in the path will keep the lamp off.  To top it off this is all
done with a mounting screw that is tightened against the plastic
lens and only peripherally contacts the chrome lamp body as it
passes through a clearance hole.  Its a wonder it ever works.

Often all that is required is to loosen and retighten the
mounting screws, or possibly disassemble the mount and clean all
the surfaces. There should be much less than one ohm resistance
from the chrome lamp body to the battery negative terminal.  Be
careful not to over tighten the mounting screws lest the plastic
lens crack... 

A much more robust solution is to add a ground wire from the
chrome lamp body to the car ground.  Tap a hole in the lamp body
for a #6 screw.  Run a #20 or larger black wire to point where
the headlight is grounded.  It is near the bonnet hinge.
Thoughtfully Roots left a spare hole.. Use a solder lug at the
lamp body and a "bullet" connector at the ground end.  There is
plenty of room for the screw head in the rubber mounting spacer. 
 
Occasionally the slide in contacts for the running light bulb 
severly corrode.  This occurs when moisture has gotten into the
lamp assembly due to a cracked lens. The lamp fixture can be 
salvaged using one of the replacement pop-in the hole lamp holders 
available at most parts stores. Drill out the old contacts 
(1/2" hole I think), and just pop it in.  Be sure to moisture 
seal the assembly.  The replacement bulb holder should have its 
own ground return wire which will ground the chrome turn signal 
body.  

It has been a long time since I did this mod so forgive me the 
details..  But for the last 14 years my turn signals have been 
reliable and I have had no trouble with cracking lenses.

RE the flasher not blinking...its not a bug..  its a feature.
It tells you its time to clean the connections... or
that a bulb is blown... 

			Steve F

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  3 15:16:17 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:16:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires - Part II
In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019055FD@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <721769.1378.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

LOL Theo- I have some relatives in WVa that need it for toothpaste- might
replace whats missing. I guess Ive just always bought blue, black or orange.
Next tube is gray. I think its a great product. Kinda like duct tape and tie
wire- will fix almost anything long enough to get to the house or a parts
store. Oe really good thing about this LIST is having enough intelligent
people that I learn something on a regular basis or I can ask a question I
have forgotten the answer to.
 
Im wondering if it was a ground, a double element in a single element socket
or a bad bullet connection in between the starting and terminating points. The
ground on the front park/signal light holder. That grounds thru the long screw
and the body(with the thread clip)
or is there a ground running from the rubber baby bumper? I was thinking that
was for the headlights- not that a paraell ground to thhe lamp assemble- like
Theo made or one of your choosing would be a bad idea, Im just tring to get it
straight in my messy mind, how it came from the factory as the drawing from
CAT shows the black ground on each of the headlights but none on the
signal/park light hollder.
 
--- On Tue, 11/3/09, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:


From: Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Crossed wires - Part II
To: "Tony Somebody" <achd73 at yahoo.com>, "Randy Smith" <RSSmithIQ at cs.com>,
tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 1:39 PM



Pretty sure this is it... I'd have to go look at the tube at home to be sure.
http://www.permatex.com/products/Automotive/automotive_gasketing/gasket_maker
s/auto_Permatex_Ultra_Grey_Rigid_High-Torque_RTV_Silicone_Gasket_Maker.htm
 
If it was a Canada color it would come out red and white like the kids'
toothpaste ;)
 
Theo

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 15:53:53 2009
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:53:53 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] expansion bottle
Message-ID: <39a841b0911031453s1bdcc8a6pdba459ae6356026a@mail.gmail.com>

has anyone tried putting a plastic bottle with the air squeezed out on the
end of the overflow tube from the header tank?

if the hose is sealed into the bottle will it suck water back into the
header tank when it cools down (or you change altitude), or is it not sealed
properly at the neck of the header tank?

i'd be interested in hearing about any sealed cooling system modifications
people are using.

thanks.

- owain.

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Tue Nov  3 16:34:50 2009
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:34:50 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] expansion bottle
In-Reply-To: <39a841b0911031453s1bdcc8a6pdba459ae6356026a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39a841b0911031453s1bdcc8a6pdba459ae6356026a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905600@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

Some people have done it - it's on my list of things to do.
You set it up just like any modern car... The overflow tube runs into a
bottle so that it ends about 1/2" off the bottom of the bottle. Fill the
bottle with a couple of inches of water or coolant so that the bottom of
the tube is covered. When you drive, air or coolant vapor is expelled
through the hose and bubbles out through the coolant in the overflow
bottle. When the system cools, any shrinkage in the amount of coolant in
the sealed part of the system is made up for by the fluid you put into
the bottle (or by whatever liquid the cooling system expelled in the
first place). No need to have the hose sealed into the bottle.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd
> Sent: November 3, 2009 3:54 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] expansion bottle
>
> has anyone tried putting a plastic bottle with the air
> squeezed out on the end of the overflow tube from the header tank?
>
> if the hose is sealed into the bottle will it suck water back
> into the header tank when it cools down (or you change
> altitude), or is it not sealed properly at the neck of the
> header tank?
>
> i'd be interested in hearing about any sealed cooling system
> modifications people are using.
>
> thanks.
>
> - owain.
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  3 16:36:12 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:36:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires....
In-Reply-To: <200911032200.nA3M0lZE023840@grumpy-fuzzball.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <439954.45405.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Steven - Makes sense- POLR, so add water for less resistance.A jumper wire w/
alligator clips and a piece of 12 or 14 gage for lights, horns small bulbs
etc. bring it from the battery or a really good place on the frame and then
you know what you are working on is grounded. I believe in my meter to find
the problems but you can get a ground on a casing and the bulb not be
grounded. Was Lucas a descendant of Lucifer?
TtT

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, Steven L. Finberg <w1gsl at MIT.EDU> wrote:


From: Steven L. Finberg <w1gsl at MIT.EDU>
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires....
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Cc: w1gsl at MIT.EDU
Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 4:00 PM


Hi James

Seems this comes up every year or so.. A response I wrote up
a while ago follows.

BTW the running light can work even though the ground is missing,
as its current finds a sneak path to ground through all the larger
turn signal bulbs..  If it is the ground, when the turnsignal tries
to turn on.. the running light in that fixture should go off.

Sealing out moisture is a good idea but isn't the root of the
problem.   It really is a "prince of darkness" design flaw (feature).

            Steve F


ADD A REAL GROUND WIRE.        (c) 1996 Steve Finberg

Failure of the front turn signals is common on the series IV and V
Alpines and late Tigers.  The usual cause is a poor ground return
connection at the front lamp.

This is due to Lucas's failure to provide a proper ground
connection.  The circuit depends on the mounting screws making a
good electrical connection from the chrome body of the lamp  to
the "Timmerman" nut and them to the steel fender.  Any corrosion
in the path will keep the lamp off.  To top it off this is all
done with a mounting screw that is tightened against the plastic
lens and only peripherally contacts the chrome lamp body as it
passes through a clearance hole.  Its a wonder it ever works.

Often all that is required is to loosen and retighten the
mounting screws, or possibly disassemble the mount and clean all
the surfaces. There should be much less than one ohm resistance
from the chrome lamp body to the battery negative terminal.  Be
careful not to over tighten the mounting screws lest the plastic
lens crack...

A much more robust solution is to add a ground wire from the
chrome lamp body to the car ground.  Tap a hole in the lamp body
for a #6 screw.  Run a #20 or larger black wire to point where
the headlight is grounded.  It is near the bonnet hinge.
Thoughtfully Roots left a spare hole.. Use a solder lug at the
lamp body and a "bullet" connector at the ground end.  There is
plenty of room for the screw head in the rubber mounting spacer.

Occasionally the slide in contacts for the running light bulb
severly corrode.  This occurs when moisture has gotten into the
lamp assembly due to a cracked lens. The lamp fixture can be
salvaged using one of the replacement pop-in the hole lamp holders
available at most parts stores. Drill out the old contacts
(1/2" hole I think), and just pop it in.  Be sure to moisture
seal the assembly.  The replacement bulb holder should have its
own ground return wire which will ground the chrome turn signal
body. 

It has been a long time since I did this mod so forgive me the
details..  But for the last 14 years my turn signals have been
reliable and I have had no trouble with cracking lenses.

RE the flasher not blinking...its not a bug..  its a feature.
It tells you its time to clean the connections... or
that a bulb is blown...

            Steve F
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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Tue Nov  3 16:48:45 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:48:45 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] expansion bottle
In-Reply-To: <39a841b0911031453s1bdcc8a6pdba459ae6356026a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39a841b0911031453s1bdcc8a6pdba459ae6356026a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AF0C15D.4000202@SoCal.rr.com>

Owain,

The standard plastic overflow bottles work fine IF YOU HAVE A PRESSURE 
CAP that has a relief valve.  Very common, and Stant makes one called 
"Lev-R-Release" that lets you release pent up pressure without boiling 
up all over you without the Lever.  Ask me how I know (: -(

The local Pep Boys has the overflow bottles in half-quart size.  I was 
able to mount one inside the engine compartment, AND another in the left 
fender well in parallel.

Steve

___
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Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



Owain Lloyd wrote:
> has anyone tried putting a plastic bottle with the air squeezed out on the
> end of the overflow tube from the header tank?
>
> if the hose is sealed into the bottle will it suck water back into the
> header tank when it cools down (or you change altitude), or is it not sealed
> properly at the neck of the header tank?
>
> i'd be interested in hearing about any sealed cooling system modifications
> people are using.
>
> thanks.
>
> - owain.

From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  3 17:05:15 2009
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:05:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] expansion bottle
In-Reply-To: <39a841b0911031453s1bdcc8a6pdba459ae6356026a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <415736.34389.qm@web111605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I  put an Alpine boittle with basket under the header tank.
Ran a hose to the header tank overflow tube and simply
repalced the cap with a coolant recovery cap.
 
Worked great.  You could watch hot water fill up the tank
and then get sucked back in.
 
Simple sqaure coloant recovery tanks are readily
available at any parts store oir trailer towing shop.
 
Dave

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com>
Subject: [Tigers] expansion bottle
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 10:53 PM


has anyone tried putting a plastic bottle with the air squeezed out on the
end of the overflow tube from the header tank?

if the hose is sealed into the bottle will it suck water back into the
header tank when it cools down (or you change altitude), or is it not sealed
properly at the neck of the header tank?

i'd be interested in hearing about any sealed cooling system modifications
people are using.

thanks.

- owain.
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From e.coiner at cox.net  Tue Nov  3 17:05:30 2009
From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 16:05:30 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] expansion bottle
In-Reply-To: <39a841b0911031453s1bdcc8a6pdba459ae6356026a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091103190530.A7YDW.20151.imail@fed1rmwml34>

I bought a rectangular 1 quart Nalgene bottle from someplace.
I drilled two holes in the top "shoulders" of the bottle. One on either side of the cap.  I routed a rubber hose from the stock tiger overflow fitting on the expansion tank through one hole in the bottle. This hose goes all the way to the bottom of the bottle.  Another hose is placed about 1 inch inside the other hole and then is routed down the side of the radiator to the bottom of the engine compartment.
The bottle is located between the expansion tank and the inside wall of the engine compartment just aft of the horn hole.  It is a tight fit and I just let the bottle rattle around in there.

It works a treat it does.

Erich

---- Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com> wrote: 
> has anyone tried putting a plastic bottle with the air squeezed out on the
> end of the overflow tube from the header tank?
> 
> if the hose is sealed into the bottle will it suck water back into the
> header tank when it cools down (or you change altitude), or is it not sealed
> properly at the neck of the header tank?
> 
> i'd be interested in hearing about any sealed cooling system modifications
> people are using.
> 
> thanks.
> 
> - owain.
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Nov  3 17:43:05 2009
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 00:43:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] expansion bottle
In-Reply-To: <4AF0C15D.4000202@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <722285389.4213821257295385772.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I don't know about mounting them in parallel..  sounds very overkill to me..

BUT, most all auto parts stores sell a whole kit for less than $10 (IIRC) that
includes the bottle, some hose and a the required cap.  They usually have
two, one big one with a rectangular tank, and a smaller one with a cylindrical
tank.  The small cylindrical one is preferred ( I have one of each in my two
Tigers).

This mod should be considered MANDATORY for Tigers.  I still recall going
to a wildlife museum in Montana when we were at SUNI.  There was a big
beautiful Condor(IIRC) that was killed by drinking a puddle of of antifreeze
left by an overheated car (hope it wasn't a Tiger!!)...   very sad...

Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Laifman 
To: owain lloyd 
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:48:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] expansion bottle

Owain,

The standard plastic overflow bottles work fine IF YOU HAVE A PRESSURE 
CAP that has a relief valve.  Very common, and Stant makes one called 
"Lev-R-Release" that lets you release pent up pressure without boiling 
up all over you without the Lever.  Ask me how I know (: -(

The local Pep Boys has the overflow bottles in half-quart size.  I was 
able to mount one inside the engine compartment, AND another in the left 
fender well in parallel.

Steve

___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com




Owain Lloyd wrote:
> has anyone tried putting a plastic bottle with the air squeezed out on the
> end of the overflow tube from the header tank?
>
> if the hose is sealed into the bottle will it suck water back into the
> header tank when it cools down (or you change altitude), or is it not sealed
> properly at the neck of the header tank?
>
> i'd be interested in hearing about any sealed cooling system modifications
> people are using.
>
> thanks.
>
> - owain.
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Nov  3 17:46:39 2009
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 00:46:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] expansion bottle
In-Reply-To: <4AF0C15D.4000202@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1941106927.4215881257295599094.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I don't know about mounting them in parallel..  sounds very overkill to me..

BUT, most all auto parts stores sell a whole kit for less than $10 (IIRC) that
includes the bottle, some hose and the required cap.  They usually have
two, one big one with a rectangular tank, and a smaller one with a cylindrical
tank.  The small cylindrical one is preferred ( I have one of each in my two
Tigers).

This mod should be considered MANDATORY for Tigers.  I still recall going
to a wildlife museum in Montana when we were at SUNI.  There was a big
beautiful Condor(IIRC) that was killed by drinking a puddle of of antifreeze
left by an overheated car (hope it wasn't a Tiger!!)...   very sad...

Gary
2 Tigers, NO puddles..

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Laifman 
To: owain lloyd 
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:48:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] expansion bottle

Owain,

The standard plastic overflow bottles work fine IF YOU HAVE A PRESSURE 
CAP that has a relief valve.  Very common, and Stant makes one called 
"Lev-R-Release" that lets you release pent up pressure without boiling 
up all over you without the Lever.  Ask me how I know (: -(

The local Pep Boys has the overflow bottles in half-quart size.  I was 
able to mount one inside the engine compartment, AND another in the left 
fender well in parallel.

Steve

___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com




Owain Lloyd wrote:
> has anyone tried putting a plastic bottle with the air squeezed out on the
> end of the overflow tube from the header tank?
>
> if the hose is sealed into the bottle will it suck water back into the
> header tank when it cools down (or you change altitude), or is it not sealed
> properly at the neck of the header tank?
>
> i'd be interested in hearing about any sealed cooling system modifications
> people are using.
>
> thanks.
>
> - owain.

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Nov  3 18:08:08 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 20:08:08 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] expansion bottle
In-Reply-To: <39a841b0911031453s1bdcc8a6pdba459ae6356026a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30BBC9168FF14FF9B80666C056B6F24A@ronpc1>

Owain
	After puking the radiator onto the Left front tire of my Tiger in
turn 7, a Right turn, at Watkins Glen Race Track; we made it mandatory every
car have a catch can for radiator overflow for the Track Event.   I had a
windshield washer bottle and holder from a parts car so I mounted them in
the left corner of my Tiger and just squeezed the bottle by the header tank
and the radiator.   I put the overflow tube into the bottle with a little
bit of antifreeze and it has been catching and flowing fluid back and forth
for 20 years now.   I did not change the stock cap on the header tank.
Works for me.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:54 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] expansion bottle


has anyone tried putting a plastic bottle with the air squeezed out on the
end of the overflow tube from the header tank?

if the hose is sealed into the bottle will it suck water back into the
header tank when it cools down (or you change altitude), or is it not sealed
properly at the neck of the header tank?

i'd be interested in hearing about any sealed cooling system modifications
people are using.

thanks.

- owain.
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From chris at cthompson.net  Tue Nov  3 18:43:46 2009
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:43:46 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] expansion bottle
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you can also solve the poison problem by switching to propylene glycol 
instead of ethylene glycol for coolant. i did this years ago on *all* my 
vehicles (currently at 17 and counting!).  we used to use propylene 
glycol with the sheep for some therapeutic purpose (can't recall what), 
but it's totally non-toxic and in my view should be mandatory for *all* 
cars.....

chris

garywinblad at comcast.net wrote:
> This mod should be considered MANDATORY for Tigers.  I still recall going
> to a wildlife museum in Montana when we were at SUNI.  There was a big
> beautiful Condor(IIRC) that was killed by drinking a puddle of of antifreeze
> left by an overheated car (hope it wasn't a Tiger!!)...   very sad...
>
> Gary
> 2 Tigers, NO puddles..

From harryb at elams.org  Tue Nov  3 19:54:04 2009
From: harryb at elams.org (Harry B. Elam)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:54:04 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger expansion bottle
Message-ID: <4AF0ECCC.1080808@elams.org>

    Some years back I owned a 77 Ford Station Wagon with the 460 Lincoln 
engine. Great for towing but could not pass a gas station. Anyway, 
towards the end of it's life I was in California and my Tiger was 
running a bit warm. I took the overflow bottle from the Ford and mounted 
it under the driver side front wheel well. It has been there now for 
about 18 years. There was already a hole thru the wheel well so I didn't 
have to hack the car. This modification and the installation of a very 
dense radiator core from a fork truck solved any heating issues. On the 
road I run at or below 190. On fast lap times (for street cars) at 
several race tracks I can get the temp over 200 but it doesn't puke. I 
have a somewhat stock 260 that was balanced as a hot rot engine, with an 
experimental grind 302 cam, roller tip rockers and an F4B with Holly 600 
cfm from SS.  Dyno's about 200 and is  great at low RPM torque. I love 
to embarrass Corvettes.
Harry Elam
B382000471

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Tue Nov  3 20:08:29 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:08:29 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] expansion bottle
In-Reply-To: <722285389.4213821257295385772.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <722285389.4213821257295385772.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4AF0F02D.2060309@SoCal.rr.com>

Gary W.,

The half-size bottles are a good deal easier to find a place for just in 
front of the overflow tank.  Adding another right next to it - but on 
the other side of the wheel well, is out-of-sight, yet gives you the 
capacity of a full size tank easily.  Only a nylon "T" bar is needed,  
and it won't overflow the smaller capacity tank.

Of course I attacked to engine cooling problem before, as related in the 
TigersUnited article "Cool it Buddy!":

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp  
as shown on page 2, fitting very cosily between the stock tank and just 
behind the front radiator brace.

Maybe it's "belts and suspenders", but it couldn't hurt!

Steve

___
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<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



garywinblad at comcast.net wrote:
> I don't know about mounting them in parallel..  sounds very overkill to me..
>
> BUT, most all auto parts stores sell a whole kit for less than $10 (IIRC) that
> includes the bottle, some hose and a the required cap.  They usually have
> two, one big one with a rectangular tank, and a smaller one with a cylindrical
> tank.  The small cylindrical one is preferred ( I have one of each in my two
> Tigers).
>
> This mod should be considered MANDATORY for Tigers.  I still recall going
> to a wildlife museum in Montana when we were at SUNI.  There was a big
> beautiful Condor(IIRC) that was killed by drinking a puddle of of antifreeze
> left by an overheated car (hope it wasn't a Tiger!!)...   very sad...
>
> Gary

From vesselofgrace at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  3 20:19:35 2009
From: vesselofgrace at hotmail.com (Nathan Johnson)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 03:19:35 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum heads recommendations
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I am just about to replace the 289 hipo in my Tiger and was looking for input
on what heads to put on a 302 block.  I figure I should go with roller rockers
and cam for easy horsepower and efficency and it seems to be the general
consensus that aluminum heads are worth the price to take weight off the front
end and add more power.  My first concern is which heads are compatible with
the stock exhaust manifolds and my F4 intake?  Second, I am not trying to make
my kitty into a drag strip lion (still needs to be safe for the lead foot wife
to drive...), so what are some reasonable priced heads to make 250-300 HP
without going to headers?  In response to my last post about valve cover
modifications, I was told that using proform roller rockers should allow
enough clearance to get my valve covers off without removing the engine
mounts.  Has anyone found other roller rockers that will also allow this kind
of clearance?  Thanks for the help.



Nathan



66' Mark 1A

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From fastsage at cox.net  Tue Nov  3 20:49:42 2009
From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:49:42 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] expansion bottle
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I found a nice small square plastic overflow tank from I think an 80's 
or early 90's Toyota Corolla (do they still make those?) from a Pick 
Your Part junkyard in L.A. a few years ago. You could use anything that 
will fit but this one was much smaller than the ones you can find at Pep 
Boys, etc. It fits nicely in front of the stock overflow tank between it 
and the horn hole. It sits next to the radiator to its' right (looking 
forward to the front of the engine compartment.) I do have to remove the 
stock overflow tank first, place the Corolla tank in, and then 
re-install the stock overflow tank. I run a clear hose from the cap on 
the Corolla overflow tank to the overflow exit right below the radiator 
cap on the stock overflow tank. Another hose goes from the Corolla tank 
cap (it has two hose intakes/exits on it) to the ground in case the 
Toyota tank overflows, which it never has.

I keep the Corolla tank about 1/3 full when cold. It works great and you 
can fill your radiator and stock overflow tank all the way to the top to 
just under the radiator cap. With the clear hose from the stock overflow 
tank to the Corolla tank, you can see the coolant going one way or the 
other (if you wait long enough) as the  coolant expands to the Corolla 
tank when hot, and then back toward the stock overflow tank as the car 
cools all the way down.

This is probably something everyone already knows but, just in case, 
here's a tip. Open your heater valve all the way (to the Hot position on 
the dash) to make sure you're filling up your whole coolant system. Fill 
up the stock overflow all the way to the top, and fill your new overflow 
tank about a third of the way (when cold of course). (There's a tube 
that goes from the Corolla overflow tank cap to the bottom of the tank.) 
Put the radiator cap back on. Run the car until it fully heats up, as 
hot as it will get (like that's a problem with Tigers, right??). Let it 
cool back down, then take the radiator cap off and again fill the stock 
tank back all the way to the top if there's room to add more coolant. 
I'll often have to do that a couple of times to make sure the system is 
completely filled.

A little bit of work but, as I think I said, it does work and I think 
help keep the car from overheating, or at least for sure from loosing 
coolant.

Steve Sage
1966 MK1A




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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 21:28:03 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:28:03 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] expansion bottle
In-Reply-To: <4AF0F9D6.7060602@cox.net>
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	<60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905600@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
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If everyone is making overflow/retun bottles, why not find an old rootes
washer bottle and use that.. or get a brand new repro one from sunbeam
specialties, will have the rootes logo on it, look period correct and you
can use a rootes washer bottle bracket to mount it. will look "factory"

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From geowiz.sgy at cox.net  Tue Nov  3 22:30:14 2009
From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:30:14 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires - Epilog
Message-ID: <3B38FF1CFFF34ED6A28C4464FAF6E8C3@JEPHome>

As usual, this group nailed it.  Bad ground.  Found I have a similar problem
with one of the tail lights.  I'm installing ground wires on all of them.

Jim Pickard
B9473298 ('65 Tiger)
AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold
2003 Mini Cooper
Lafayette, LA

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 23:20:39 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:20:39 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires - Epilog
In-Reply-To: <3B38FF1CFFF34ED6A28C4464FAF6E8C3@JEPHome>
References: <3B38FF1CFFF34ED6A28C4464FAF6E8C3@JEPHome>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0911032220p6633a14ck7017d519091821d4@mail.gmail.com>

james,

for the tail lights put the little spikey spire nuts under the screws that
retain them.. they bite into the paint a little and give you a nice good
ground.

2009/11/4 James E. Pickard <geowiz.sgy at cox.net>

> As usual, this group nailed it.  Bad ground.  Found I have a similar
> problem
> with one of the tail lights.  I'm installing ground wires on all of them.
>
> Jim Pickard
> B9473298 ('65 Tiger)
> AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold
> 2003 Mini Cooper
> Lafayette, LA
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  3 23:25:09 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:25:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires - Epilog
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Message-ID: <469161.94575.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks for letting us know Jim. Many guys ask for help but never respond when
they fix thr problem. Each report helps us all. Glad you are blinking and
parking- be careful doing them together.
TtT 

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From: James E. Pickard <geowiz.sgy at cox.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Crossed wires - Epilog
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 11:30 PM


As usual, this group nailed it.  Bad ground.  Found I have a similar problem
with one of the tail lights.  I'm installing ground wires on all of them.

Jim Pickard
B9473298 ('65 Tiger)
AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold
2003 Mini Cooper
Lafayette, LA
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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 04:51:02 2009
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:51:02 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] expansion bottle
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thank you so much for the wide selection of responses.

amazing that i can ask a question about which i have no experience, go to
bed, and when i get up, i am fully educated with years of experience.

i intend to just lash up a 750ml bicycle water bottle with zip ties next to
the horn hole and put the overflow tube into it, reaching the bottom.  put
about 200ml water in there and another tube from the lid, pointing at the
ground in front of the radiator where the overflow tube currently ends up.

hopefully it'll stop me puking smalling amounts of coolant at the end of
each day and as i cross moutains next week, thereby preventing me having to
top it off so often.

if it works well, i'll sort out a more visually pleasing solution when i
return.

- owain.



On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com> wrote:

> has anyone tried putting a plastic bottle with the air squeezed out on the
> end of the overflow tube from the header tank?
>
> if the hose is sealed into the bottle will it suck water back into the
> header tank when it cools down (or you change altitude), or is it not sealed
> properly at the neck of the header tank?
>
> i'd be interested in hearing about any sealed cooling system modifications
> people are using.
>
> thanks.
>
> - owain.

From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  4 07:16:42 2009
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 06:16:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] expansion bottle
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Message-ID: <408075.71734.qm@web111617.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

There was a question if the Rootes bottle could stand the heat.
Who wants a melted tank and possibly plastic in the radiator.
I've not had a problem
 
One fellow owner made a new stainless washer tank.  I think
he'll make one for the washer fluid and for the  coolant.
 
Great winter project.
 
Me.  I have to get well.
 
Dave

--- On Wed, 11/4/09, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:


From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] expansion bottle
To:
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 4:28 AM


If everyone is making overflow/retun bottles, why not find an old rootes
washer bottle and use that.. or get a brand new repro one from sunbeam
specialties, will have the rootes logo on it, look period correct and you
can use a rootes washer bottle bracket to mount it. will look "factory"

--
Regards

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From cmccann at lwpb.com  Wed Nov  4 07:42:57 2009
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:42:57 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum heads recommendations
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	<BAY122-W48BA66DEB2CCDE78792218AEB10@phx.gbl>
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Hey Nathan, being a fox body mustang owner I have a little insight here...not
as much Tiger related, but more SBF EFI related...something I've messed with
quite a bit over the years. To my knowledge the exhaust ports, intake ports
and bolt patterns should be compatible on any standard degree head on the
aftermarket with your intake and ex manifolds. I have an older Edelbrock
intake on a 69 302 with E7TE heads from a 87 mustang...they work just fine,
there is a egr cross over that you might want to block on some applications,
but you can do that with gasket, to my knowledge.

I am a big fan of the Trickflows twisted wedge, mainly because the horsepower
gains are substantial right out of the box with no mods, they are factory cast
spec on the outside so all your brackets and stuff work good, and they are the
only aluminum sbf head on the market, according to my research, with a 2.02
intake valve that will fit a factory 302 piston with factory valve relief, not
requiring a custom piston in many applications. This is a big plus if you are
using a crate motor short block or a low mileage factory engine...if you are
building a 302 from the bottom up from scratch, it probably doesn't matter
much. Obviously some cam choices will make a difference on lift but you would
want to verify valve clearance in any case.  I can tell you for certain that
the Edelbrock heads with the 2.02 valves will NOT fit the factory 302 block
without hitting the pistons...at least with a came lift of .490 or anything
close. Personal experience talking. I have  set of Brodix track 1's on my 392
inch Windsor for my cobra replica, they are really nice....and have a lot of
performance potential, but will require custom pistons in most applications.
of course they are a 2.08 valve...I will but putting the Edelbrock performer
rpm head on my Tiger motor soon, it's a 302 roller motor but it will have a
custom piston to clear. Cost wise the benefit of the Trickflows is they are
priced very fair...a bit less expensive than the Edelbrocks and a lot less
than the Brodix but still has the big valves and will accept all the popular
valve train assem, in either pedestal mount option or stud mount either one.
I have used proform roller rockers before with good results, but not
specifically on a Tiger application to be knowledgeable about clearance...so I
cant help there, but the quality of the rockers seems good, and price is
great.

Trying to think of any other heads to consider...i really like the
AFR's....Air Flow Research...they come atop a lot of the roush crate motors
and perform really well. Ultimately it might come down to what your short
block looks like, cam selection and compression...so you can pick a head based
off of combustion chamber volume, intake runner volume and valve size...and
then cost obviously...but quite often my favorite head choice isnt ideal with
whatever motor I am putting it on due to other factors in the build...as you
probably know.

Anyway, those are my thoughts...good luck with the project!

Cullen




Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum heads recommendations

I am just about to replace the 289 hipo in my Tiger and was looking for input
on what heads to put on a 302 block.  I figure I should go with roller
rockers
and cam for easy horsepower and efficency and it seems to be the general
consensus that aluminum heads are worth the price to take weight off the
front
end and add more power.  My first concern is which heads are compatible with
the stock exhaust manifolds and my F4 intake?  Second, I am not trying to
make
my kitty into a drag strip lion (still needs to be safe for the lead foot
wife
to drive...), so what are some reasonable priced heads to make 250-300 HP
without going to headers?  In response to my last post about valve cover
modifications, I was told that using proform roller rockers should allow
enough clearance to get my valve covers off without removing the engine
mounts.  Has anyone found other roller rockers that will also allow this kind
of clearance?  Thanks for the help.



Nathan



66' Mark 1A

From mark.rense at ge.com  Wed Nov  4 07:57:48 2009
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd))
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 09:57:48 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum heads recommendations
In-Reply-To: <BAY122-W48BA66DEB2CCDE78792218AEB10@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.23.1257188402.9303.tigers@autox.team.net>
	<BAY122-W48BA66DEB2CCDE78792218AEB10@phx.gbl>
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Nathan,
I have built three SBF engines (347 stroker, 289, 331 stroker) using the
Edelbrock aluminum Performer RPM heads and have had good luck with the
quality and the horsepower. Now all three were flat tappet engines, so I
cannot speak to the roller cam viability. The last engine was a 331
stroker for a friend's FFA Cobra made from a '67 302, the idea was to
build a reliable mid-power (350 hp) street engine that could be fun at
track days. With headers, KB 9.7-1 pistons, Performer RPM intake
manifold (very similar design to our F4B), Comp Cams Xtreme Energy
XE268H cam, and a Holley 670 CFM carb the fool thing made 375 HP at 6200
RPM at the rear wheel on Sunoco premium gas and still was very enjoyable
as a street engine.

For my Tiger I was interested in a reliable engine that had a little
sack when I pushed the loud pedal. I built a 5-bolt 289 using the
Edelbrock aluminum Performer Plus heads, Comp Cams XE262H cam, and KB
.030-over 9.5:1 hypereutectic pistons. With stock cast iron headers, F4B
intake, 500 CFM carb, dual-point distributor (with Pertronix), and 1.75"
exhaust it still makes over 250 at the rear wheels at a reasonable 5200
rpm. I wanted a long-lasting, torquey engine that was manageable and was
period correct. So far, with a little over 12K miles on the engine, my
expectations have been met, and yes, I can get the cast rocker covers
off without dropping the engine. Plus, if I want more go, I can add
headers, larger exhaust and bigger carb which will net another 50 HP or
so.

Hope this helps.

Bugz


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Nathan Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:20 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum heads recommendations

I am just about to replace the 289 hipo in my Tiger and was looking for
input on what heads to put on a 302 block.  I figure I should go with
roller rockers and cam for easy horsepower and efficency and it seems to
be the general consensus that aluminum heads are worth the price to take
weight off the front end and add more power.  My first concern is which
heads are compatible with the stock exhaust manifolds and my F4 intake?
Second, I am not trying to make my kitty into a drag strip lion (still
needs to be safe for the lead foot wife to drive...), so what are some
reasonable priced heads to make 250-300 HP without going to headers?  In
response to my last post about valve cover modifications, I was told
that using proform roller rockers should allow enough clearance to get
my valve covers off without removing the engine mounts.  Has anyone
found other roller rockers that will also allow this kind of clearance?
Thanks for the help.

Nathan
66' Mark 1A

From dave at munroe.ca  Wed Nov  4 10:17:57 2009
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:17:57 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum heads recommendations
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References: <mailman.23.1257188402.9303.tigers@autox.team.net>
	<BAY122-W48BA66DEB2CCDE78792218AEB10@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <37949764D043429296DCAF3F26AD8DB0@DavePC>

Cullen, Bugz and all:

This issue of clearance with roller rockers came up when we were rebuilding 
my '67 289. I was talked into "roller-tipped rockers" as a viable solution 
to the clearance problem, and they certainly fit under the LAT alloy valve 
covers with no problem.

But I have never heard these discussed on this list. Please excuse my 
ignorance, but can anyone run the pros and cons past me (an anyone else 
that's interested!) of these rocker arms, or is the only "pro" the fact that 
they fit?? They certainly work well enough so far. (About 10,000 miles...)

Thanks guys,

Dave



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" <mark.rense at ge.com>
To: "Nathan Johnson" <vesselofgrace at hotmail.com>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Aluminum heads recommendations


> Nathan,
> I have built three SBF engines (347 stroker, 289, 331 stroker) using the
> Edelbrock aluminum Performer RPM heads and have had good luck with the
> quality and the horsepower. Now all three were flat tappet engines, so I
> cannot speak to the roller cam viability. The last engine was a 331
> stroker for a friend's FFA Cobra made from a '67 302, the idea was to
> build a reliable mid-power (350 hp) street engine that could be fun at
> track days. With headers, KB 9.7-1 pistons, Performer RPM intake
> manifold (very similar design to our F4B), Comp Cams Xtreme Energy
> XE268H cam, and a Holley 670 CFM carb the fool thing made 375 HP at 6200
> RPM at the rear wheel on Sunoco premium gas and still was very enjoyable
> as a street engine.
>
> For my Tiger I was interested in a reliable engine that had a little
> sack when I pushed the loud pedal. I built a 5-bolt 289 using the
> Edelbrock aluminum Performer Plus heads, Comp Cams XE262H cam, and KB
> .030-over 9.5:1 hypereutectic pistons. With stock cast iron headers, F4B
> intake, 500 CFM carb, dual-point distributor (with Pertronix), and 1.75"
> exhaust it still makes over 250 at the rear wheels at a reasonable 5200
> rpm. I wanted a long-lasting, torquey engine that was manageable and was
> period correct. So far, with a little over 12K miles on the engine, my
> expectations have been met, and yes, I can get the cast rocker covers
> off without dropping the engine. Plus, if I want more go, I can add
> headers, larger exhaust and bigger carb which will net another 50 HP or
> so.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Bugz
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Nathan Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:20 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum heads recommendations
>
> I am just about to replace the 289 hipo in my Tiger and was looking for
> input on what heads to put on a 302 block.  I figure I should go with
> roller rockers and cam for easy horsepower and efficency and it seems to
> be the general consensus that aluminum heads are worth the price to take
> weight off the front end and add more power.  My first concern is which
> heads are compatible with the stock exhaust manifolds and my F4 intake?
> Second, I am not trying to make my kitty into a drag strip lion (still
> needs to be safe for the lead foot wife to drive...), so what are some
> reasonable priced heads to make 250-300 HP without going to headers?  In
> response to my last post about valve cover modifications, I was told
> that using proform roller rockers should allow enough clearance to get
> my valve covers off without removing the engine mounts.  Has anyone
> found other roller rockers that will also allow this kind of clearance?
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Nathan
> 66' Mark 1A
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From MWood24020 at aol.com  Wed Nov  4 11:15:54 2009
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:15:54 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum heads recommendations
Message-ID: <d5f.5c4978d1.38231eda@aol.com>

Seems the OP was looking for a mild build and wanted aluminum heads for  
their lighter weight and better heat dissipation? The heads being thrown out 
are  all "bigger", with 2.02" valve etc and may not really support the engine 
which  he is working with...sounds like maybe "smaller" FRPP GT40 or 
Edelbrock  Performer castings might give the type of flow velocity needed in his  
application.
 
I don't know, I'm still working out the aftermarket head situation for my  
car, complicated by the fact that my motor is an older "RHO" crate, which 
uses  the '86 hypereutectic piston...have to cut valve reliefs for every head 
I've  come up with, so far.
 
Mike

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Wed Nov  4 11:28:21 2009
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:28:21 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum heads recommendations
References: <mailman.23.1257188402.9303.tigers@autox.team.net>
	<BAY122-W48BA66DEB2CCDE78792218AEB10@phx.gbl>
	<D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A844CED@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<37949764D043429296DCAF3F26AD8DB0@DavePC>
Message-ID: <66B754D9E4D44A7DA0EF3EA60F9C5CF4@student2>

Dave,
  Probably the greater advantage of the "roller tip" is it should reduce 
friction at the contact point of the valve.  This should reduce the valve 
side load and increase the life of the valve guide. This can be especially 
helpful in high lift cams or cams that have a fast ramp.

 The reduced friction also likely reduces some power loss and decreases 
heat. To what extent that is beneficial verses the cost is likely up for 
debate.

Tom 

From mark.rense at ge.com  Wed Nov  4 11:36:26 2009
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd))
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:36:26 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum heads recommendations
In-Reply-To: <d5f.5c4978d1.38231eda@aol.com>
References: <d5f.5c4978d1.38231eda@aol.com>
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Not necessarily. I chose the Edelbrocks with the 1.90" intake valves for
my 289 project. The same heads are also available with the larger 2.02"
intake valves which I have used on the big inch motors. It all depends
on what RPM you want your motor to be happy.

Bugz

________________________________

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Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:16 PM
To: dave at munroe.ca; Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd);
vesselofgrace at hotmail.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Aluminum heads recommendations


Seems the OP was looking for a mild build and wanted aluminum heads for
their lighter weight and better heat dissipation? The heads being thrown
out are all "bigger", with 2.02" valve etc and may not really support
the engine which he is working with...sounds like maybe "smaller" FRPP
GT40 or Edelbrock Performer castings might give the type of flow
velocity needed in his application.

I don't know, I'm still working out the aftermarket head situation for
my car, complicated by the fact that my motor is an older "RHO" crate,
which uses the '86 hypereutectic piston...have to cut valve reliefs for
every head I've come up with, so far.

Mike

From cmccann at lwpb.com  Wed Nov  4 12:02:52 2009
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:02:52 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum heads recommendations
In-Reply-To: <37949764D043429296DCAF3F26AD8DB0@DavePC>
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	<BAY122-W48BA66DEB2CCDE78792218AEB10@phx.gbl>
	<D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A844CED@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<37949764D043429296DCAF3F26AD8DB0@DavePC>
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BB2FA39DA@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

hmmmm...well my understanding on the term "roller tip rockers" is to imply
that its not a full roller rocker but only the tip is roller. I have seen
stamped rockers that looks similar to the factory rocker arms but have a
roller tip....but do not have the roller fulcrum. I thought it was motivated
as a lesser costly solution to a rocker arm that is more performance that
stock...but not as much as the full roller. I could be mistaken....


Cullen






Cullen, Bugz and all:

This issue of clearance with roller rockers came up when we were rebuilding
my '67 289. I was talked into "roller-tipped rockers" as a viable solution
to the clearance problem, and they certainly fit under the LAT alloy valve
covers with no problem.

But I have never heard these discussed on this list. Please excuse my
ignorance, but can anyone run the pros and cons past me (an anyone else
that's interested!) of these rocker arms, or is the only "pro" the fact that
they fit?? They certainly work well enough so far. (About 10,000 miles...)

Thanks guys,

Dave

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Wed Nov  4 13:34:40 2009
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 13:34:40 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum heads recommendations
In-Reply-To: <d5f.5c4978d1.38231eda@aol.com>
References: <d5f.5c4978d1.38231eda@aol.com>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905603@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

The AFR 165 heads have 1.90" intake valves and 1.6" exhaust, so they
might be a good choice for a more streetable engine especially if it's
going to be a 289. AFR still says the '86 5.0 requires piston notching,
but that may not be true for the '87 and up engines.
http://www.airflowresearch.com/index.php?cPath=21_23

I think that the best of all would be a canted-valve head like the Trick
Flow twisted-wedge, with a slightly smaller intake valve like 1.94 or
1.9". As far as I know, the exhaust side is still a weak point on Ford
heads in general so a 1.6" valve is probably a good thing regardless.
Too bad that's not readily available.

Cheers,
Theo

From lpaulick at comcast.net  Wed Nov  4 15:08:37 2009
From: lpaulick at comcast.net (Larry Paulick)
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:08:37 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum heads recommendations
In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BB2FA39DA@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>
References: <mailman.23.1257188402.9303.tigers@autox.team.net>
	<BAY122-W48BA66DEB2CCDE78792218AEB10@phx.gbl>
	<D9A0D0B7EA17564892B2C3A1AB0BB72A844CED@CINMLVEM20.e2k.ad.ge.com>
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	<4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BB2FA39DA@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>
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A full roller rocker, i.e. tip and fulcrum has several advantages, as 
mentioned cooler operation, and they can increase the rocker ratio, 
thereby giving a higher lift to the valves, without changing the cam.

Ford makes some very nice roller rockers, that are very affordable from 
Summit.

Larry

Cullen McCann wrote:

>hmmmm...well my understanding on the term "roller tip rockers" is to imply
>that its not a full roller rocker but only the tip is roller. I have seen
>stamped rockers that looks similar to the factory rocker arms but have a
>roller tip....but do not have the roller fulcrum. I thought it was motivated
>as a lesser costly solution to a rocker arm that is more performance that
>stock...but not as much as the full roller. I could be mistaken....
>
>
>Cullen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Cullen, Bugz and all:
>
>This issue of clearance with roller rockers came up when we were rebuilding
>my '67 289. I was talked into "roller-tipped rockers" as a viable solution
>to the clearance problem, and they certainly fit under the LAT alloy valve
>covers with no problem.
>
>But I have never heard these discussed on this list. Please excuse my
>ignorance, but can anyone run the pros and cons past me (an anyone else
>that's interested!) of these rocker arms, or is the only "pro" the fact that
>they fit?? They certainly work well enough so far. (About 10,000 miles...)
>
>Thanks guys,
>
>Dave

From bobdixon at frii.com  Wed Nov  4 19:40:09 2009
From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:40:09 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo and Steele auction.
Message-ID: <6989415849654A65A2061919A55199F6@BobsDell>

I'll be curious what this unmolested survivor goes for at the Scottsdale 
auction.

http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.html 

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 21:08:51 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:08:51 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo and Steele auction.
In-Reply-To: <6989415849654A65A2061919A55199F6@BobsDell>
References: <6989415849654A65A2061919A55199F6@BobsDell>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0911042008l4918338fn80557e11741f572a@mail.gmail.com>

i wonder if this was the one for sale a while back in the US with the
oringal delivery sticker on the underside of the boot (trunk) lid. Or was
the one in CAT or TEAE newsletter.

2009/11/5 Bob Dixon <bobdixon at frii.com>

> I'll be curious what this unmolested survivor goes for at the Scottsdale
> auction.
>
>
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Thu Nov  5 06:07:19 2009
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:07:19 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo and Steele auction.
In-Reply-To: <6989415849654A65A2061919A55199F6@BobsDell>
References: <6989415849654A65A2061919A55199F6@BobsDell>
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I am not so sure of the survivor part.  Did the Tiger come with a black
underside?

Duke
B382002037

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Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo and Steele auction.

I'll be curious what this unmolested survivor goes for at the Scottsdale 
auction.

http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1966_sunbeam_tiger__/42-6097.htm
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From bomber44 at comcast.net  Thu Nov  5 08:50:18 2009
From: bomber44 at comcast.net (Rob Guerra)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 07:50:18 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo and Steele auction.
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It was not the tiger for sale in the CAT newsletter.  In the last 20+  
years this car was sold by private party transactions.


On Nov 4, 2009, at 8:08 PM, michael king wrote:

> i wonder if this was the one for sale a while back in the US with the
> oringal delivery sticker on the underside of the boot (trunk) lid.  
> Or was
> the one in CAT or TEAE newsletter.
>
> 2009/11/5 Bob Dixon <bobdixon at frii.com>
>
>> I'll be curious what this unmolested survivor goes for at the  
>> Scottsdale
>> auction.
>>
>>
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From dave at munroe.ca  Thu Nov  5 10:48:53 2009
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:48:53 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo and Steele auction.
In-Reply-To: <43695265-3B87-4301-8120-F33302E7ADC8@comcast.net>
References: <6989415849654A65A2061919A55199F6@BobsDell>
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	<43695265-3B87-4301-8120-F33302E7ADC8@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <AFF649B73A8B4D6AA4D7445F38DE4A51@DavePC>

I noticed something in the boot that I had never noticed before on a Tiger: 
(mine does not have these) it looks like there are false-floor supports in 
the rear-most corners of the trunk. Are they stock? Are they bolt-ins or are 
they welded to the rear wall?

Its a b*st*rd living so far away from other Tigers.....(:O)

Dave




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Guerra" <bomber44 at comcast.net>
To: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo and Steele auction.


> It was not the tiger for sale in the CAT newsletter.  In the last 20+ 
> years this car was sold by private party transactions.
>
>
> On Nov 4, 2009, at 8:08 PM, michael king wrote:
>
>> i wonder if this was the one for sale a while back in the US with the
>> oringal delivery sticker on the underside of the boot (trunk) lid.  Or 
>> was
>> the one in CAT or TEAE newsletter.

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Thu Nov  5 12:56:19 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:56:19 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo and Steele auction.
In-Reply-To: <AFF649B73A8B4D6AA4D7445F38DE4A51@DavePC>
References: <6989415849654A65A2061919A55199F6@BobsDell>
	<d86d088a0911042008l4918338fn80557e11741f572a@mail.gmail.com>
	<43695265-3B87-4301-8120-F33302E7ADC8@comcast.net>
	<AFF649B73A8B4D6AA4D7445F38DE4A51@DavePC>
Message-ID: <4AF32DE3.7030403@SoCal.rr.com>

Dave,

There are 2 "Dzus" fastener connector sets mounted on the left and right 
rear back edges of the Tiger trunk "floor".  These are 
aircraft-motorcycle type panel connectors that use a tool or coin to 
twist the large screw head to lock and unlock positions.

The one underneath the "floor" is mounted on a right angle support, and 
looks like an "S" shaped wire.  That support is fastened with two screws 
each to the rear trunk panel.

It is stock on a Tiger, but not used on Alpines.

Here is a link to "installation" instructions of a similar design, under 
"installation".

http://www.s-sengineering.com/

There is an article on TigersUnited.com that details Carpet Installation 
by Dave Johnson and Frank Marrone.  There are lots of good detail on 
this task, some pictures of my car (as taken by that  "#&%!" pigeon, and 
my trunk compartment.  The vinyl pebble grain folding top boot, backed 
side panel boards, and part of the spare tire / battery cover.  The 
rearward end of this (not visible) has the Dzus fasteners.

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/MarroneCarpet/rt-MarroneCarpet1.asp

Steve

___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



Dave Munroe wrote:
> I noticed something in the boot that I had never noticed before on a 
> Tiger: (mine does not have these) it looks like there are false-floor 
> supports in the rear-most corners of the trunk. Are they stock? Are 
> they bolt-ins or are they welded to the rear wall?
>
> Its a b*st*rd living so far away from other Tigers.....(:O)
>
> Dave

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  5 13:33:37 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:33:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo and Steele auction.
In-Reply-To: <AFF649B73A8B4D6AA4D7445F38DE4A51@DavePC>
Message-ID: <520129.70974.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dave- if you look on your Tiger you will find 2 screw holes in the places you
see the lugs. I have a set someplace but like your car, many are missing.
Notice the false floor and you will see two turn clips- I think a wide blade
screwdriver or a .25 cent piece will trun them. The lugs you see have a hole
with a wire across the hole. When the platform is down and you have the twist
locks in place they are designed so as they turn -they are barell shaped with
a S type cut out up the sides- as you turn they tighten on the wire and holds
the platform down- locks it in place. Im certain someone else could describe
them better but they are orginal to the car-If they where in the first or
introduced later I dont know- the MT screw holes will tell if a Tiger had them
and I think all Tigers did- another  way to tell an original platform as
well.
TtT 
--- On Thu, 11/5/09, Dave Munroe <dave at munroe.ca> wrote:


From: Dave Munroe <dave at munroe.ca>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo and Steele auction.
To: "Rob Guerra" <bomber44 at comcast.net>, "michael king"
<michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 11:48 AM


I noticed something in the boot that I had never noticed before on a Tiger:
(mine does not have these) it looks like there are false-floor supports in the
rear-most corners of the trunk. Are they stock? Are they bolt-ins or are they
welded to the rear wall?

Its a b*st*rd living so far away from other Tigers.....(:O)

Dave




----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Guerra" <bomber44 at comcast.net>
To: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo and Steele auction.


> It was not the tiger for sale in the CAT newsletter.  In the last 20+ years
this car was sold by private party transactions.
>
>
> On Nov 4, 2009, at 8:08 PM, michael king wrote:
>
>> i wonder if this was the one for sale a while back in the US with the
>> oringal delivery sticker on the underside of the boot (trunk) lid.  Or was
>> the one in CAT or TEAE newsletter.
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Nov  5 13:34:24 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:34:24 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo and Steele auction.
In-Reply-To: <AFF649B73A8B4D6AA4D7445F38DE4A51@DavePC>
Message-ID: <E79634562AF0464B93AE55240E681C66@ronpc1>

Dave
	There are 2 Dzus fasteners that are on "L" brackets at the back
corners and 2 metal "L" bracket loops attached to the plywood.  The Dzus
fastener brackets are bolted on.

Will take and send pictures if you like.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Dave Munroe
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:49 PM
To: Rob Guerra; michael king
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo and Steele auction.


I noticed something in the boot that I had never noticed before on a Tiger:
(mine does not have these) it looks like there are false-floor supports in
the rear-most corners of the trunk. Are they stock? Are they bolt-ins or are

they welded to the rear wall?

Its a b*st*rd living so far away from other Tigers.....(:O)

Dave




----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Guerra" <bomber44 at comcast.net>
To: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo and Steele auction.


> It was not the tiger for sale in the CAT newsletter.  In the last 20+
> years this car was sold by private party transactions.
>
>
> On Nov 4, 2009, at 8:08 PM, michael king wrote:
>
>> i wonder if this was the one for sale a while back in the US with the
>> oringal delivery sticker on the underside of the boot (trunk) lid.
>> Or was the one in CAT or TEAE newsletter.
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  5 13:36:10 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:36:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Jerry Christopherson
Message-ID: <613008.12536.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Would  Jerry Christopherson please contact me off List.
Thanks, Tony

From awtiger at cox.net  Thu Nov  5 13:42:30 2009
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:42:30 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo and Steele auction.
In-Reply-To: <AFF649B73A8B4D6AA4D7445F38DE4A51@DavePC>
Message-ID: <20091105154230.RAITT.657604.imail@eastrmwml30>

Dave:

Yes, the false trunk floors in Tigers have support brackets that are screwed to the front bulkhead, or wall, of the trunk.  The false floor itself has two "hooks" bolted onto the floor that slip inside these brackets, allowing you to tilt the false floor up and forward to give you access to the spare, the tools and the battery.  Also, of course, there are Dzus fasteners at either end of the false floor right inside the trunk opening that hold it in place normally.

Hope this helps,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK 
B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740)
B9006857LRX

---- Dave Munroe <dave at munroe.ca> wrote: 
> I noticed something in the boot that I had never noticed before on a Tiger: 
> (mine does not have these) it looks like there are false-floor supports in 
> the rear-most corners of the trunk. Are they stock? Are they bolt-ins or are 
> they welded to the rear wall?

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  5 13:42:38 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:42:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] CAT Shop notes
Message-ID: <494963.20493.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Can someone who knows, tell me how many editions of the shop notes has CAT had published? I'm also curious if they just added new information or if they removed what might be considered out dated or where an improvement was available. I would like to have the latest edition but I don't know if I already do or I need to find/buy the latest.
Thanks in advance.
TtT

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Thu Nov  5 14:02:04 2009
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:02:04 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger at Russo and Steele auction
Message-ID: <4AF33D4C.3010905@roadrunner.com>

Dave:

The supports in the rear corners of the boot are stock.  The false floor 
is held down by dzus(?) fasteners that make about a quarter turn to 
secure.  The brackets are attached by sheet metal screws to the body 
work.  I can send you pics of mine if you would like.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From w_pierzga at msn.com  Thu Nov  5 16:16:03 2009
From: w_pierzga at msn.com (Wayne-MSN)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 18:16:03 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum heads recommendations
In-Reply-To: <BAY122-W48BA66DEB2CCDE78792218AEB10@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.23.1257188402.9303.tigers@autox.team.net>
	<BAY122-W48BA66DEB2CCDE78792218AEB10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <COL121-DS2402C6C17FDA631E173D749FB00@phx.gbl>

Nathan:

A word of caution when fitting replacement heads to the block on a Tiger.

Take into consideration the total height of the new head and valve cover
assembly relative to the stock installation. You may find, as I
unfortunately did after completing the restoration of my MKII, that the
replacement head and valve cover combination is taller than stock. In my
case I used Edelbrock Performer RPM aluminum heads with roller-tip rockers
under LAT aluminum valve covers. Yes, I did have to remove the oil-splash
guard from inside the valve cover but this was trivial. I ran into a problem
however when I tried to reinstall the rebuilt ORIGINAL engine with the new
heads - IT WOULD NOT FIT!!!*&%$#! 

After, working for some hours trying to get things to fit I eventually
traced the problem to the difference in total height between the original
cast iron heads and steel valve covers and the replacement head and LAT
aluminum valve covers. I don't recall the dimensions but the replacement
setup was around 1/2 inch taller. The consequence of this was that I was
forced to pull out a great big hammer and beat the driver's side firewall
into submission.

Recall, I was beating a completely restored, painted, polished, perfect car
after nearly 5 years work with a GREAT BIG HAMMER. 

Oh, yes the tears were flowing between the obscenities.

The engine has been comfortably in place for around 6 years - BUT in order
to remove the driver's side valve cover, the engine must be dropped: i.e.
support the transmission, disconnect the transmission mounts, remove the
exhaust manifolds, (remove the exhaust X-tube in my case), remove the
driveshaft, remove the fan, disconnect the clutch hydraulic line, disconnect
the starter cable, remove the air cleaner and, slowly lower the transmission
until the cover can be wrestled out (remember the engine can be lowered only
a smidge before the tranny hits the chassis). I found this out after the
intake rocker stud on cylinder 1 snapped. Luckily I caught the problem fast
and there was no damage to the engine. But replacing the stud was NOT a
user-friendly service. [Lesson learned: NEVER reuse screw-in rocker studs!]

Keep this in mind as you take your decision.

Best luck,

Wayne

**********   Oh be quiet Larry.....  *******





-----Original Message-----
From: Nathan Johnson [mailto:vesselofgrace at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:20 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum heads recommendations

I am just about to replace the 289 hipo in my Tiger and was looking for
input
on what heads to put on a 302 block.  I figure I should go with roller
rockers
and cam for easy horsepower and efficency and it seems to be the general
consensus that aluminum heads are worth the price to take weight off the
front
end and add more power.  My first concern is which heads are compatible with
the stock exhaust manifolds and my F4 intake?  Second, I am not trying to
make
my kitty into a drag strip lion (still needs to be safe for the lead foot
wife
to drive...), so what are some reasonable priced heads to make 250-300 HP
without going to headers?  In response to my last post about valve cover
modifications, I was told that using proform roller rockers should allow
enough clearance to get my valve covers off without removing the engine
mounts.  Has anyone found other roller rockers that will also allow this
kind
of clearance?  Thanks for the help.



Nathan



66' Mark 1A

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From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov  5 17:07:53 2009
From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 16:07:53 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] CAT Shop notes
In-Reply-To: <494963.20493.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <494963.20493.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0B9433B206124960A9C57A26D3B09F78@ROSS>

Tony,

Go online to http://www.catmbr.org 

Go to the parts catalog and read the "UPDATES" section as of 2000 the latest
edition included all the older notes.

Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse
Subject: [Tigers] CAT Shop notes

Can someone who knows, tell me how many editions of the shop notes has CAT
had published? I'm also curious if they just added new information or if
they removed what might be considered out dated or where an improvement was
available. I would like to have the latest edition but I don't know if I
already do or I need to find/buy the latest.
Thanks in advance.
TtT

From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Thu Nov  5 19:02:57 2009
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:02:57 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] CAT Shop notes
In-Reply-To: <0B9433B206124960A9C57A26D3B09F78@ROSS>
References: <494963.20493.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<0B9433B206124960A9C57A26D3B09F78@ROSS>
Message-ID: <60407535C9944FE3A41672F87D39171A@BucksLaptop>

Tony,

Ross is correct. While each edition updated and removed obsolete material 
from the previous, new submissions were always added. As a result the Notes 
expanded from being less than a half inch thick originally until the current 
5th edition which is about 2 inches thick.

I always tell new Tiger owners that the first two books they need to get are 
the Shop Manual and the Shop Notes. I think you can buy both for a total of 
only $50.

Buck Trippel



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From: "Ross" <ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'Tony Somebody'" <achd73 at yahoo.com>; "'Beamclub'" 
<tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] CAT Shop notes


> Tony,
>
> Go online to http://www.catmbr.org
>
> Go to the parts catalog and read the "UPDATES" section as of 2000 the 
> latest
> edition included all the older notes.
>
> Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse
> Subject: [Tigers] CAT Shop notes
>
> Can someone who knows, tell me how many editions of the shop notes has CAT
> had published? I'm also curious if they just added new information or if
> they removed what might be considered out dated or where an improvement 
> was
> available. I would like to have the latest edition but I don't know if I
> already do or I need to find/buy the latest.
> Thanks in advance.
> TtT
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From MWood24020 at aol.com  Thu Nov  5 19:14:20 2009
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:14:20 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Cobra "Classic" Seat?
Message-ID: <d1d.571190a2.3824e07c@aol.com>

Does anyone have any experience or knowledge of the Cobra "Classic" seat  
(link below)?
 
_http://www.winecountrymotorsports.com/product_info.php?products_id=334_ 
(http://www.winecountrymotorsports.com/product_info.php?products_id=334) 
 
I am considering installing in my Tiger, as the seat looks "period  
correct", but also will provide some bolstering for more spirited driving and  
autocross...and the price is less than redoing my stock seats ;-)
 
But, I haven't been able to find one to check out/sit it etc., so I'm not  
sure if it would be a viable option. I'm interested in fitment (looks plenty 
 narrow, so it should just be a matter of modifying a set of sliders), 
comfort  (long haul) and quality (is it as cheap as the price!)
 
Thanks
Mike

From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net  Thu Nov  5 21:07:37 2009
From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:07:37 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Cobra "Classic" Seat?
In-Reply-To: <d1d.571190a2.3824e07c@aol.com>
References: <d1d.571190a2.3824e07c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4AF3A109.3050602@cox.net>

Mike:
I was at Bud's shop in Anaheim for the CAT swap meet a while back--Bud 
has a real-deal Cobra and I was drooling over it--and the seats.  
Surprisingly, he mentioned that they weren't very comfortable.
I don't know how close the ones you're looking at are to the originals.
Just something to think about.

Best Regards
David Sosna
P.S. I think they'd look GREAT in a Tiger, but then I don't drive one 
anymore ;-)

MWood24020 at aol.com wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience or knowledge of the Cobra "Classic" seat  
> (link below)?
>  
> _http://www.winecountrymotorsports.com/product_info.php?products_id=334_ 
> (http://www.winecountrymotorsports.com/product_info.php?products_id=334) 
>  
> I am considering installing in my Tiger, as the seat looks "period  
> correct", but also will provide some bolstering for more spirited driving and  
> autocross...and the price is less than redoing my stock seats ;-)
>  
> But, I haven't been able to find one to check out/sit it etc., so I'm not  
> sure if it would be a viable option. I'm interested in fitment (looks plenty 
>  narrow, so it should just be a matter of modifying a set of sliders), 
> comfort  (long haul) and quality (is it as cheap as the price!)
>  
> Thanks
> Mike

From v8tracker at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 21:45:43 2009
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:45:43 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Cobra "Classic" Seat?
In-Reply-To: <d1d.571190a2.3824e07c@aol.com>
References: <d1d.571190a2.3824e07c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <15C884288167457D822569040A549A1C@DellD4700>

Mike,

Sometimes vendors will have a customer in your area who has the product and
will let you see it. Might be worth a shot.

The seats look great. I hope they work out for you.

HTH,
A. C. Tynes
New Orleans

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of MWood24020 at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 8:14 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Cobra "Classic" Seat?
> 
> Does anyone have any experience or knowledge of the Cobra 
> "Classic" seat (link below)?
>  
> _http://www.winecountrymotorsports.com/product_info.php?produc
ts_id=334_
> (http://www.winecountrymotorsports.com/product_info.php?produc
ts_id=334) 
>  
> I am considering installing in my Tiger, as the seat looks 
> "period correct", but also will provide some bolstering for 
> more spirited driving and autocross...and the price is less 
> than redoing my stock seats ;-)
>  
> But, I haven't been able to find one to check out/sit it 
> etc., so I'm not sure if it would be a viable option. I'm 
> interested in fitment (looks plenty  narrow, so it should 
> just be a matter of modifying a set of sliders), comfort  
> (long haul) and quality (is it as cheap as the price!)
>  
> Thanks
> Mike
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 23:31:33 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 17:31:33 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Cobra "Classic" Seat?
In-Reply-To: <15C884288167457D822569040A549A1C@DellD4700>
References: <d1d.571190a2.3824e07c@aol.com>
	<15C884288167457D822569040A549A1C@DellD4700>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0911052231m2f9a181fic992043d419f1cb2@mail.gmail.com>

The seat picturesd the cobra classic is not an AC cobra seat, but made by a
company called cobra. I have these installed in my alpine using the mfg's
runners. They do hold well and are nice, they dont however adjust at the
backrest and there is no provision for a belt to go though the sde boulster.
There is another seat they make now that has this provision.. or you can cut
a hole.
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1136010562054462410yZGscn


-- 
Regards

Michael King

From rande at thecia.net  Fri Nov  6 05:46:24 2009
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:46:24 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] cobra "classic" seat
Message-ID: <4af41aa0.152e.0@thecia.net>

As mentioned before, this seat is not the same design as the AC Cobra model.
For one, it's vinyl as opposed to the AC leather, and it looks a lot more comfortable,
and the price is certainly better.

I drove an AC 289 Mk II for a short while, and was surprised by the overly upright
position of the seat back, and the fact that I was told the angle was unadjustable.
At least if you can mate the Sunbeam seat tracks to this seat, there's a slight
bit of rake adjustment of the whole seat from the Sunbeam tracks.

From garywinblad at comcast.net  Fri Nov  6 07:43:39 2009
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:43:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Cobra "Classic" Seat?
In-Reply-To: <d1d.571190a2.3824e07c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2024826989.5313741257518619810.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I don't know anything about the "Classic" but I have older "Clubman" seats
in my Tiger.  Quality and price were great.  Fit was not ideal but mine were
1 inch wider (were someone else's custom order but were now on-sale!).
Seat pad height was too high for using the Tiger sliders but they mounted
directly to the floorpan ok.  I later modified the driver's seat so it fit better,
its now very custom. 
As long as you are changing seats anyway, you should have a head
restraint to keep your head off the rollbar, think about the Cobra Clubman.
If you want to see my install, the car is semi-accessable in Dublin.

Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: MWood24020 at aol.com
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 02:14:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Cobra "Classic" Seat?

Does anyone have any experience or knowledge of the Cobra "Classic" seat  
(link below)?
 
_http://www.winecountrymotorsports.com/product_info.php?products_id=334_ 
(http://www.winecountrymotorsports.com/product_info.php?products_id=334) 
 
I am considering installing in my Tiger, as the seat looks "period  
correct", but also will provide some bolstering for more spirited driving and  
autocross...and the price is less than redoing my stock seats ;-)
 
But, I haven't been able to find one to check out/sit it etc., so I'm not  
sure if it would be a viable option. I'm interested in fitment (looks plenty 
 narrow, so it should just be a matter of modifying a set of sliders), 
comfort  (long haul) and quality (is it as cheap as the price!)
 
Thanks
Mike

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Fri Nov  6 08:13:55 2009
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:13:55 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] CAT Shop Notes
Message-ID: <4AF43D33.6030405@roadrunner.com>

Tony:

I have the Fifth Edition and I think that is the latest.  Others will 
correct me if I am wrong.

I would urge everyone who does not have a copy of this collection to 
acquire one.  It contains an amazing amount of information which has 
been collected, literally over decades, and can answer many questions.  
To purchase, you must be a member of CAT, but the cost is about $25, 
IIRC.  Membership in CAT gets you a newsletter, access to the parts they 
provide and the opportunity to purchase the Shop Notes.  A terrific 
bargain, IMHO.  Even though I live in Maine and there is snow on the 
ground this morning, it is still nice to have contact with the folks in 
S. California.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From lpaulick at comcast.net  Fri Nov  6 09:56:15 2009
From: lpaulick at comcast.net (Larry Paulick)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:56:15 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Cobra "Classic" Seat?
In-Reply-To: <d1d.571190a2.3824e07c@aol.com>
References: <d1d.571190a2.3824e07c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4AF4552F.401@comcast.net>

Mike, I looked at lots of seats, including this one, and because I 
wanted to maximize my leg room, comfort, head protection, shoulder and 
butt support, cost, and look nice, I went with a Corbeau Seat.  You have 
to do some mods, but I used the Tiger seat slider, and my head room is 
the same or more than before.

I set various seats in my car before I purchased, and this seat also has 
slots for 5 pt belts.  Also very little wind blowing on head because of 
the high seat, but I really don't have lots of problems with the amount 
of hair that's left.

I can send you pics. 

Larry

MWood24020 at aol.com wrote:
> Does anyone have any experience or knowledge of the Cobra "Classic" seat  
> (link below)?
>  
> _http://www.winecountrymotorsports.com/product_info.php?products_id=334_ 
> (http://www.winecountrymotorsports.com/product_info.php?products_id=334) 
>  
> I am considering installing in my Tiger, as the seat looks "period  
> correct", but also will provide some bolstering for more spirited driving and  
> autocross...and the price is less than redoing my stock seats ;-)
>  
> But, I haven't been able to find one to check out/sit it etc., so I'm not  
> sure if it would be a viable option. I'm interested in fitment (looks plenty 
>  narrow, so it should just be a matter of modifying a set of sliders), 
> comfort  (long haul) and quality (is it as cheap as the price!)
>  
> Thanks
> Mike
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Sat Nov  7 17:52:40 2009
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:52:40 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] I hacked my own Battery Gauge......
In-Reply-To: <4AF4552F.401@comcast.net>
References: <d1d.571190a2.3824e07c@aol.com> <4AF4552F.401@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000301ca600d$c61e8250$525b86f0$@rr.com>

http://e28-535i.com/upload/BatGauge.JPG

I found a Jaeger batt gauge (made in France) on ebay and Tigerfied it.  The
black bezel was crimped on and had to be removed.  Needle was painted and
the chrome bezel installed.  The case too some grinding to get it down to a
size that the chrome bezel would fit.

Ebay auction -
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&item=4000821
81979&view=all&tid=54126954027

Looking forward to getting installed.  I am very happy to be rid of the Amp
meter with its mile of fire possibility wire.

BTW - the gauge was shipped from Greece with no problems.

Duke
B382002037

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Nov  8 09:25:26 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:25:26 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] I hacked my own Battery Gauge......
In-Reply-To: <000301ca600d$c61e8250$525b86f0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <AEE42B84DAD54EF78B629691F106027A@ronpc1>

Duke
	Interesting gauge.   I would want to verify the voltage to needle
position.

I installed a Sun voltage gage just under the dash on the left.  Mostly
needed it when I was having problems with the generator system.   I don't
need it with the alternator system but I got use to seeing it there.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of wsamouce
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 7:53 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] I hacked my own Battery Gauge......


http://e28-535i.com/upload/BatGauge.JPG

I found a Jaeger batt gauge (made in France) on ebay and Tigerfied it.  The
black bezel was crimped on and had to be removed.  Needle was painted and
the chrome bezel installed.  The case too some grinding to get it down to a
size that the chrome bezel would fit.

Ebay auction -
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&item=4000821
81979&view=all&tid=54126954027

Looking forward to getting installed.  I am very happy to be rid of the Amp
meter with its mile of fire possibility wire.

BTW - the gauge was shipped from Greece with no problems.

Duke
B382002037
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Sun Nov  8 20:32:01 2009
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 21:32:01 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] I hacked my own Battery Gauge......
In-Reply-To: <AEE42B84DAD54EF78B629691F106027A@ronpc1>
References: <000301ca600d$c61e8250$525b86f0$@rr.com>
	<AEE42B84DAD54EF78B629691F106027A@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <002801ca60ed$3339ebb0$99adc310$@rr.com>

Testing it on my battery charger (13.6 volts), it sits to the far right of
the green.  While driving it is in the first 1/3 of the green.

Works great but the night lighting color does not match.\

Duke

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:25 AM
To: 'wsamouce'; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] I hacked my own Battery Gauge......

Duke 
	Interesting gauge.   I would want to verify the voltage to needle
position.

I installed a Sun voltage gage just under the dash on the left.  Mostly
needed it when I was having problems with the generator system.   I don't
need it with the alternator system but I got use to seeing it there.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of wsamouce
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 7:53 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] I hacked my own Battery Gauge......


http://e28-535i.com/upload/BatGauge.JPG

I found a Jaeger batt gauge (made in France) on ebay and Tigerfied it.  The
black bezel was crimped on and had to be removed.  Needle was painted and
the chrome bezel installed.  The case too some grinding to get it down to a
size that the chrome bezel would fit.

Ebay auction -
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&item=4000821
81979&view=all&tid=54126954027

Looking forward to getting installed.  I am very happy to be rid of the Amp
meter with its mile of fire possibility wire.

BTW - the gauge was shipped from Greece with no problems.

Duke
B382002037
You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com

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From fastsage at cox.net  Sun Nov  8 22:40:30 2009
From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:40:30 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] I hacked my own Battery Gauge......Voltmeter
In-Reply-To: <002801ca60ed$3339ebb0$99adc310$@rr.com>
References: <000301ca600d$c61e8250$525b86f0$@rr.com>
	<AEE42B84DAD54EF78B629691F106027A@ronpc1>
	<002801ca60ed$3339ebb0$99adc310$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <4AF7AB4E.8060509@cox.net>

Here's another idea.

Margaret and Joey at Mo-Ma in Albuquerque, New Mexico will make you a 
Jaeger look a like volt meter gauge for the same space (or you could 
have them fix it up to say Smiths). I've had mine in my Tiger for years. 
It works great and looks very close to authentic, including the back 
lighting and the red pointer. Unless you knew, you wouldn't know it 
wasn't a stock item. When my alternator went bad, it let me know 
immediately that something was wrong. The battery tested good which 
verified the alternator was bad (mine has an internal regulator).

Their number is 505 766-6661. I have no connection to them other than 
I've used them for my gauges for many years.

Steve Sage




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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  9 00:06:02 2009
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:06:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Drivetrain
Message-ID: <306230.45964.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I found this on Craigslist for anyone needing parts.
 
http://tucson.craigslist.org/pts/1437363931.html

From lpaulick at comcast.net  Mon Nov  9 06:30:24 2009
From: lpaulick at comcast.net (Larry Paulick)
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:30:24 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] I hacked my own Battery Gauge......Voltmeter
In-Reply-To: <4AF7AB4E.8060509@cox.net>
References: <000301ca600d$c61e8250$525b86f0$@rr.com>
	<AEE42B84DAD54EF78B629691F106027A@ronpc1>
	<002801ca60ed$3339ebb0$99adc310$@rr.com> <4AF7AB4E.8060509@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4AF81970.2000903@comcast.net>

Why not just buy a Smiths Voltmeter.  It is accurate, looks correct in 
the dash, it's lighted properly to match the other gauges, and is 
inexpensive and available.

Mo-Ma calibrated my Speedo, and I would never use them again.  They 
calibrated the speedo, but did not tell me they did not calibrate the 
odometer, which required a gear change. 

When asked, they said "Oh, that is a different issue, and to calibrate 
the odometer, we will have to charge you to recalibrate the speedo again".

Larry

Steve Sage wrote:
> Here's another idea.
>
> Margaret and Joey at Mo-Ma in Albuquerque, New Mexico will make you a 
> Jaeger look a like volt meter gauge for the same space (or you could 
> have them fix it up to say Smiths). I've had mine in my Tiger for 
> years. It works great and looks very close to authentic, including the 
> back lighting and the red pointer. Unless you knew, you wouldn't know 
> it wasn't a stock item. When my alternator went bad, it let me know 
> immediately that something was wrong. The battery tested good which 
> verified the alternator was bad (mine has an internal regulator).
>
> Their number is 505 766-6661. I have no connection to them other than 
> I've used them for my gauges for many years.
>
> Steve Sage
>
>
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From prbreuhan at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  9 07:44:32 2009
From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:44:32 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] I hacked my own Battery Gauge......
In-Reply-To: <002801ca60ed$3339ebb0$99adc310$@rr.com>
References: <000301ca600d$c61e8250$525b86f0$@rr.com>
	<AEE42B84DAD54EF78B629691F106027A@ronpc1> 
Message-ID: <SNT111-W1216CD4AFC337E8D768ABFAAAC0@phx.gbl>

I made up some gauges using a Sunpro volt gauge and refaced/rebezeled it to
match the Jaeger gauges...I sold a few but there wasn't a lot of interest so
the project died on the vine like the rest of the gauge work I was doing. I
think i might have one boxed up that I never reassembled.



Here is a link to the one in my Tiger...

http://www.breuhan.com/tigersunvoltgauge.jpg



It works great.



Paul






> From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com
> To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 21:32:01 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] I hacked my own Battery Gauge......
>
> Testing it on my battery charger (13.6 volts), it sits to the far right of
> the green. While driving it is in the first 1/3 of the green.
>
> Works great but the night lighting color does not match.\
>
> Duke
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com]
> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:25 AM
> To: 'wsamouce'; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [Tigers] I hacked my own Battery Gauge......
>
> Duke
> Interesting gauge. I would want to verify the voltage to needle
> position.
>
> I installed a Sun voltage gage just under the dash on the left. Mostly
> needed it when I was having problems with the generator system. I don't
> need it with the alternator system but I got use to seeing it there.
>
> Ron Fraser
>




> Subject: [Tigers] I hacked my own Battery Gauge......
>
>
> http://e28-535i.com/upload/BatGauge.JPG
>
> I found a Jaeger batt gauge (made in France) on ebay and Tigerfied it. The
> black bezel was crimped on and had to be removed. Needle was painted and
> the chrome bezel installed. The case too some grinding to get it down to a
> size that the chrome bezel would fit.
>
> Ebay auction -
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&item=4000821
> 81979&view=all&tid=54126954027
>
> Looking forward to getting installed. I am very happy to be rid of the Amp
> meter with its mile of fire possibility wire.
>
> BTW - the gauge was shipped from Greece with no problems.
>
> Duke
> B382002037



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From fastsage at cox.net  Mon Nov  9 08:59:58 2009
From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage)
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:59:58 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] I hacked my own Battery Gauge......
In-Reply-To: <SNT111-W1216CD4AFC337E8D768ABFAAAC0@phx.gbl>
References: <000301ca600d$c61e8250$525b86f0$@rr.com>
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Message-ID: <4AF83C7E.8050606@cox.net>

Paul:
You did a great job with that. I like yours even better because it reads 
up to 18 volts, which I think would be an over charge condition. Mine 
just goes up to 15.

Steve Sage


Paul R. Breuhan wrote:
> I made up some gauges using a Sunpro volt gauge and refaced/rebezeled it to
> match the Jaeger gauges...I sold a few but there wasn't a lot of interest so
> the project died on the vine like the rest of the gauge work I was doing. I
> think i might have one boxed up that I never reassembled.
>
>
>
> Here is a link to the one in my Tiger...
>
> http://www.breuhan.com/tigersunvoltgauge.jpg
>
>
>
> It works great.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
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From parlanti at comcast.net  Mon Nov  9 09:00:18 2009
From: parlanti at comcast.net (parlanti at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 16:00:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] I hacked my own Battery Gauge......Voltmeter
In-Reply-To: <1199328249.1066851257782220188.JavaMail.root@sz0120a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1892654034.1068461257782418473.JavaMail.root@sz0120a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Rick at Sunbeam Specialties sells a reproduction Jaeger voltmeter that looks
very authentic for $98.75 . You can get it with a red or white needle. I have
one in my car and it works very well.



Just completed a 200 mile run in the Tiger yesterday through some of the best
roads in Maryland.



Joe

B382000026

Joseph V. Parlanti
16048 Copen Meadow Dr
North Potomac, Md. 20878
Cell - 301-461-0626
Email - Parlanti at comcast.net



----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Paulick" <lpaulick at comcast.net>
To: "Steve Sage" <fastsage at cox.net>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2009 8:30:24 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Tigers] I hacked my own Battery Gauge......Voltmeter

Why not just buy a Smiths Voltmeter. B It is accurate, looks correct in
the dash, it's lighted properly to match the other gauges, and is
inexpensive and available.

Mo-Ma calibrated my Speedo, and I would never use them again. B They
calibrated the speedo, but did not tell me they did not calibrate the
odometer, which required a gear change.

When asked, they said "Oh, that is a different issue, and to calibrate
the odometer, we will have to charge you to recalibrate the speedo again".

Larry

From Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com  Mon Nov  9 11:19:24 2009
From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com (Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:19:24 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Driveshaft woes
In-Reply-To: <mailman.19.1257706803.4341.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF392FF2E0.32C10FF6-ON85257669.00645C28-85257669.0064A9DF@sybase.com>

I got to installing the new u-joints (I got from Rick in the summer) last 
weekend.
Removal of the old yeilded a couple of cracks! I'm assuming another Ford 
will
have the right ends (I can have the shaft shortened and balanced) but I'm 
not 
sure what model/year to use. Can someone make a suggestion?

thanks,

Paul

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Nov  9 12:05:49 2009
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 12:05:49 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Driveshaft woes
In-Reply-To: <OF392FF2E0.32C10FF6-ON85257669.00645C28-85257669.0064A9DF@sybase.com>
References: <mailman.19.1257706803.4341.tigers@autox.team.net>
	<OF392FF2E0.32C10FF6-ON85257669.00645C28-85257669.0064A9DF@sybase.com>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905613@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

It's apparently not that easy... My driveshaft shop was unable to source
a transmission yoke (at least, not in the timeline I had available) this
spring.

I ended up getting a yoke from Modern Driveline in Idaho. They can also
build complete driveshafts if you can give them the length.
There was another driveline place (I think in Texas) that had the same
parts available but their shipping options didn't work well for
cross-the-border.

Cheers,
Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
> Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com
> Sent: November 9, 2009 11:19 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Driveshaft woes
>
> I got to installing the new u-joints (I got from Rick in the
> summer) last weekend.
> Removal of the old yeilded a couple of cracks! I'm assuming
> another Ford will have the right ends (I can have the shaft
> shortened and balanced) but I'm not sure what model/year to
> use. Can someone make a suggestion?
>
> thanks,
>
> Paul
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From jim at island.net  Mon Nov  9 12:16:17 2009
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:16:17 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Driveshaft woes
In-Reply-To: <OF392FF2E0.32C10FF6-ON85257669.00645C28-85257669.0064A9DF@sybase.com>
References: <mailman.19.1257706803.4341.tigers@autox.team.net>
	<OF392FF2E0.32C10FF6-ON85257669.00645C28-85257669.0064A9DF@sybase.com>
Message-ID: <84EE18AD57D444DABD70D43AF9FE8DF3@JIMPC>

Hi Paul	

I wouldn't bother messing with another 'old' driveshaft ...I had to have a
new one made for my T5 swap and the whole thing including 2 new u-joints was
only C$220 .  Seemed pretty reasonable to me...

Jim
B382000446


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com
Sent: November 9, 2009 10:19 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Driveshaft woes

I got to installing the new u-joints (I got from Rick in the summer) last 
weekend.
Removal of the old yeilded a couple of cracks! I'm assuming another Ford 
will
have the right ends (I can have the shaft shortened and balanced) but I'm 
not 
sure what model/year to use. Can someone make a suggestion?

thanks,

Paul
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Nov  9 13:12:40 2009
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:12:40 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Driveshaft woes
Message-ID: <c57.63f52baa.3829d1b8@aol.com>

Tom Hall includes driveshafts with his 5 speed  conversions.  He might have 
them or know of a source. Contact  info _ModTiger at comcast.net_ 
(mailto:ModTiger at comcast.net) 
Mark L

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 16:52:49 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:52:49 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] tiger lister rallying
Message-ID: <d86d088a0911091552l479d220dldb75fc927055a214@mail.gmail.com>

I'm sure owain wont mind me posting this, he is doing the london to
caasblanca rally, here are some pictures i found on flickr:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishmm/4082805290/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishmm/4082806346/sizes/l/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/smudge9000/4085669288/sizes/l/
*http://www.flickr.com/photos/smudge9000/4085666872/sizes/l/*


good luck owain!

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Nov  9 17:51:54 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 19:51:54 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Driveshaft woes
In-Reply-To: <OF392FF2E0.32C10FF6-ON85257669.00645C28-85257669.0064A9DF@sybase.com>
Message-ID: <F719283876DA4FDEBD2B7B35C0CFC29D@ronpc1>

Paul
	The Ford transmission end yoke is listed in Parts Manual on
Tigersunited.
http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/10-PF-Propellor
Shaft.pdf

I'm not sure about the flange yoke part #; I don't seem to have a reference
there.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 1:19 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Driveshaft woes


I got to installing the new u-joints (I got from Rick in the summer) last
weekend.
Removal of the old yeilded a couple of cracks! I'm assuming another Ford
will
have the right ends (I can have the shaft shortened and balanced) but I'm
not
sure what model/year to use. Can someone make a suggestion?

thanks,

Paul
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Mon Nov  9 22:45:45 2009
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:45:45 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] tiger lister rallying
References: <d86d088a0911091552l479d220dldb75fc927055a214@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9C9DEEB26FD94D899C52D8A4FCCD1879@student2>

It was so interesting, the first shot looked like the person on the left 
(viewing perspective) was driving  as the person on the right is in shadow. 
Given this is England and all it was easy to conceive. The same with the 
second picture. It wasn't until the third picture that the driver (I assume 
Qwain) appears on (our) right.

 When I saw the police van in the first picture the kid in me came out and I 
just had to make the "NA - na - NA - na - Na -na" sound of a siren from the 
other side of the pond.  It all look like great fun. GO - Owain!
Tom 

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 00:06:11 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:06:11 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] tiger lister rallying
In-Reply-To: <9C9DEEB26FD94D899C52D8A4FCCD1879@student2>
References: <d86d088a0911091552l479d220dldb75fc927055a214@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <d86d088a0911092306h42ef74c8tfd2bee60d9b9e60c@mail.gmail.com>

There is a video too.. and a blog detailing each day.

 video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQzFiu7J-cU

photos

http://www.casablancachallenge.com/
-- 
Regards

Michael King

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 02:33:30 2009
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:33:30 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] tiger lister rallying
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a0911091552l479d220dldb75fc927055a214@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d86d088a0911091552l479d220dldb75fc927055a214@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b0911100133g77276b63k9e120338221d6ad3@mail.gmail.com>

Oh thanks.  I can't see the pictures yet but, we are on the ferry to
tangier right now.  We are updating a page with some info each day at
www.casablancachallenge.com.

So far the tiger is running perfectly but the interesting stuff starts
today, so we'll see....

On 11/10/09, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm sure owain wont mind me posting this, he is doing the london to
> caasblanca rally, here are some pictures i found on flickr:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishmm/4082805290/sizes/l/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishmm/4082806346/sizes/l/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/smudge9000/4085669288/sizes/l/
> *http://www.flickr.com/photos/smudge9000/4085666872/sizes/l/*
>
>
> good luck owain!
>
> --
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>
> Michael King
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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Tue Nov 10 11:00:12 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:00:12 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] tiger lister rallying
In-Reply-To: <39a841b0911100133g77276b63k9e120338221d6ad3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d86d088a0911091552l479d220dldb75fc927055a214@mail.gmail.com>
	<39a841b0911100133g77276b63k9e120338221d6ad3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AF9AA2C.3040502@SoCal.rr.com>

Owain,

So good to see you having so much fun.  When you can, will you take a 
couple of pictures of you, and under your hood.

Steve

___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



Owain Lloyd wrote:
> Oh thanks.  I can't see the pictures yet but, we are on the ferry to
> tangier right now.  We are updating a page with some info each day at
> www.casablancachallenge.com.
>
> So far the tiger is running perfectly but the interesting stuff starts
> today, so we'll see....

From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Tue Nov 10 13:21:17 2009
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:21:17 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] tiger lister rallying
In-Reply-To: <4AF9AA2C.3040502@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20091110202117.2SR9N.91193.root@cdptpa-web10-z02>

Great fun Owen. Surprised helmuts are not required.
What are all the flashing red lights under the dash ?

Car sounds great

Steve

From gswaybright at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 10 13:37:23 2009
From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:37:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Roc (Rochester) 2009
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a0911092306h42ef74c8tfd2bee60d9b9e60c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <413460.15593.qm@web31403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

All,
In an all too rare occasion in Rochester NY, we saw November temps soar into the upper 60's yesterday and were able to get all the local Tigers (at least the three running Tigers we know of) together for lunch and pictures.

Come check out me, Ron Fraser and Dave Earl, with our Tigers (Mk-I, MK-IA and MK-II respectively) posing for pics of this historic event on my front lawn.

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3031557/2 

(Don't forget to "rate my ride" on Cardomain.com while you're there.)

On a side note, my job search (4+ months and counting) is now going nationwide, so if you have job leads for a senior tech product business guy, check out my LinkedIn profile below.

Stephen Waybright
585-905-5842 (m)
585-624-3482 (h)
www.linkedin.com/in/gswaybright

From Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com  Tue Nov 10 14:02:35 2009
From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com (Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:02:35 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Driveshaft woes - got one
In-Reply-To: <mailman.17.1257879602.9917.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OFD7B57B92.137D229B-ON8525766A.00737A03-8525766A.0073982E@sybase.com>

Thanks for all the offers of help. I had a local guy offer me one so I'm 
on my way!

Paul

From Landcmitch at aol.com  Tue Nov 10 15:08:05 2009
From: Landcmitch at aol.com (Landcmitch at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:08:05 EST
Subject: [Tigers] tiger lister rallying
Message-ID: <d23.527a9532.382b3e45@aol.com>

That's R2D2.  He's great in rallies!
 
Charlie

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Tue Nov 10 15:11:41 2009
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:11:41 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Connectors
Message-ID: <4AF9E51D.9040102@roadrunner.com>

Does anyone know of a source for the "bullet" connectors that are used 
in the wiring of Tigers?
Thanks,

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 10 15:17:57 2009
From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:17:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Who gets the last beer ?
Message-ID: <667571.35963.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

This may be off topic a little but it is great and who ever saw a beer labled
TIGER?

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Andrew Wright <butchwright at msn.com> wrote:

> From: Andrew Wright <butchwright at msn.com>
> Subject: Who gets the last beer ?
> To: "Victor Crosby" <VCrosby at Barlovento8a.com>, "Tyler"
<wvannetta at tampabay.rr.com>, "Steve Waschka" <stevewaschka at earthlink.net>,
"Scott Miller" <scott at facilitiesconstruction.com>, "Richard Campbell"
<Rcampbell481 at aol.com>, "Phil 2 Arnt" <phil at maningtongroup.com>, "MIKE
SCHREINER" <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com>, "Mike Kaier" <mikekaier at hotmail.com>, "Max
Hauth" <EMhauth at aol.com>, "Larry Chancey" <larry at surfcastermotel.com>, "KEV
KROEGER" <KKROEGER1 at COMCAST.NET>, "ken wilcox" <kwilcox57 at yahoo.com>, "John
Arnolfo" <john at silvergrill.com>, "Joe Ryk" <jryk at thegroupinc.com>, "Joe
Massucco" <jmassucco at maxwellsystems.com>, "jay wheat" <jdwheat1 at hotmail.com>,
"Gary Fischer" <gfisch56 at yahoo.com>, "Freddy" <fbeck717 at msn.com>, "Drew
Williamson" <drew at theexecutivecenter.com>, "Dennis at foremans"
<DChann321 at earthlink.net>, "Derek Baldry" <DBaldry at lff.com>, "Bennett
Livestock" <bennettranch at rangeweb.net>, "Andy Garner" <wwag67 at aol.com>, "Barry
White"
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From cmccann at lwpb.com  Tue Nov 10 16:05:13 2009
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:05:13 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Who gets the last beer ?
In-Reply-To: <667571.35963.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <667571.35963.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BB2FA440F@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

Yes, just recently although I have never had one. I got forwarded an email
with a funny video type commercial on Tiger Beer....just a couple days ago.
Video was hilarious...lemme know if anyone wants it and contact off list...I
can send it to you.

Is that why you bring it up?

Cullen







This may be off topic a little but it is great and who ever saw a beer labled
TIGER?
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From wseay at embarqmail.com  Tue Nov 10 16:22:49 2009
From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:22:49 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Who gets the last beer ?
References: <667571.35963.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DE2B5F5EFCB041A19E969C2311F6E340@xpseay>

Mike,

I have a Tiger beer bottle.  My Tiger beer was brewed and bottled in 
Singapore by Asia Pacific Breweries Ltd.  Try them at www.Tigerbeer.us.

Will -B382001570
____________________________
Will Seay wseay at embarqmail.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mike schreiner" <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com>
To: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 5:17 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Who gets the last beer ?


This may be off topic a little but it is great and who ever saw a beer 
labled
TIGER?

From awtiger at cox.net  Tue Nov 10 16:23:41 2009
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:23:41 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Connectors
In-Reply-To: <4AF9E51D.9040102@roadrunner.com>
References: <4AF9E51D.9040102@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <D2036460CFA44E60846F46DEA7920A3F@awtigerPC>

There's a company out there, Tod, called "British Wiring, Inc." and they 
carry everything from loose wire and connectors to complete harnesses.  I 
ordered all of my wire from them when I wired my Alpine race car a few years 
ago and I did the same when I wired up my driving lights on my Tiger.  They 
are a top-notch company and I have no qualms recommending them.  You can 
find them at:

http://www.britishwiring.com/

Best of luck, Tod,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740)
B9006857LRX

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tod Brown" <todbrown at roadrunner.com>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:11 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Connectors


> Does anyone know of a source for the "bullet" connectors that are used in 
> the wiring of Tigers?
> Thanks,
>
> Tod
> B382002384LRXFE
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From djoh797014 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 10 16:35:57 2009
From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:35:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Connectors
In-Reply-To: <4AF9E51D.9040102@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <676822.79866.qm@web111603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

www.britishwiring.com  has alomst every connector, ends, etc
that you can conceive of on the Tiger. 
 
Dave

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com> wrote:


From: Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com>
Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Connectors
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 10:11 PM


Does anyone know of a source for the "bullet" connectors that are used in the
wiring of Tigers?
Thanks,

Tod
B382002384LRXFE
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From dave at munroe.ca  Tue Nov 10 16:44:11 2009
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:44:11 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Connectors
In-Reply-To: <4AF9E51D.9040102@roadrunner.com>
References: <4AF9E51D.9040102@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <95D43B5C93B24E8D8F1D60429A0B3604@DavePC>

Tod;

Here's an outfit I have used often. Their stuff is first class and the 
service is great.
http://www.britishwiring.com/

Dave




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tod Brown" <todbrown at roadrunner.com>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 6:11 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Connectors


> Does anyone know of a source for the "bullet" connectors that are used in 
> the wiring of Tigers?
> Thanks,
>
> Tod
> B382002384LRXFE
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Tue Nov 10 16:44:27 2009
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:44:27 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Connectors
In-Reply-To: <4AF9E51D.9040102@roadrunner.com>
References: <4AF9E51D.9040102@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca625f$bff0e090$3fd2a1b0$@rr.com>

http://www.britishwiring.com/

It's all I use. 

Duke
B382002037

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Tod Brown
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:12 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Connectors

Does anyone know of a source for the "bullet" connectors that are used 
in the wiring of Tigers?
Thanks,

Tod
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From shutchin at netjets.com  Tue Nov 10 16:52:45 2009
From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:52:45 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Who gets the last beer ?
Message-ID: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D408965E08@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>

Tiger beer...  The beer of Singapore....  

Good stuff.

Scott Hutchinson
Director of Operations
NetJets Large Aircraft

Office 860.292.1191
Mobile 843.290.2805

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From jteepen at usatoday.com  Tue Nov 10 16:52:57 2009
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:52:57 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Connectors
In-Reply-To: <4AF9E51D.9040102@roadrunner.com>
References: <4AF9E51D.9040102@roadrunner.com>
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Tod:

Try www.britishwiring.com.  They have lots of great stuff and are accessible
on the web and by phone.  They are located in Pennsylvania.

Jere

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Tod Brown
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:12 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Connectors

Does anyone know of a source for the "bullet" connectors that are used
in the wiring of Tigers?
Thanks,

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From crbernardino at mac.com  Tue Nov 10 17:02:49 2009
From: crbernardino at mac.com (C. Robert Bernardino, MD FACS)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:02:49 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Who gets the last beer ?
In-Reply-To: <667571.35963.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <667571.35963.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8C9C5146-F0AE-4EC3-8770-4C91279EA992@mac.com>

It's a beer from Thailand. Good stuff.
Rob in CT
Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 10, 2009, at 5:17 PM, mike schreiner <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com>  
wrote:

> This may be off topic a little but it is great and who ever saw a  
> beer labled
> TIGER?
>
> --- On Tue, 11/10/09, Andrew Wright <butchwright at msn.com> wrote:
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>> From: Andrew Wright <butchwright at msn.com>
>> Subject: Who gets the last beer ?
>> To: "Victor Crosby" <VCrosby at Barlovento8a.com>, "Tyler"
> <wvannetta at tampabay.rr.com>, "Steve Waschka" <stevewaschka at earthlink.net 
> >,
> "Scott Miller" <scott at facilitiesconstruction.com>, "Richard Campbell"
> <Rcampbell481 at aol.com>, "Phil 2 Arnt" <phil at maningtongroup.com>, "MIKE
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> <mikekaier at hotmail.com>, "Max
> Hauth" <EMhauth at aol.com>, "Larry Chancey"  
> <larry at surfcastermotel.com>, "KEV
> KROEGER" <KKROEGER1 at COMCAST.NET>, "ken wilcox"  
> <kwilcox57 at yahoo.com>, "John
> Arnolfo" <john at silvergrill.com>, "Joe Ryk" <jryk at thegroupinc.com>,  
> "Joe
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> "Gary Fischer" <gfisch56 at yahoo.com>, "Freddy" <fbeck717 at msn.com>,  
> "Drew
> Williamson" <drew at theexecutivecenter.com>, "Dennis at foremans"
> <DChann321 at earthlink.net>, "Derek Baldry" <DBaldry at lff.com>, "Bennett
> Livestock" <bennettranch at rangeweb.net>, "Andy Garner"  
> <wwag67 at aol.com>, "Barry
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 10 17:03:37 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:03:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Who gets the last beer ?
In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BB2FA440F@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>
Message-ID: <503763.2568.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It would be our responsibility to at least try a bootle or a 6 pac -OK, Mike,
a case just to make sure.
TtT

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Cullen McCann <cmccann at lwpb.com> wrote:


From: Cullen McCann <cmccann at lwpb.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Who gets the last beer ?
To: "mike schreiner" <mikeflbmer at yahoo.com>, "Tigers at autox.team.net"
<Tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 5:05 PM


Yes, just recently although I have never had one. I got forwarded an email
with a funny video type commercial on Tiger Beer....just a couple days ago.
Video was hilarious...lemme know if anyone wants it and contact off list...I
can send it to you.

Is that why you bring it up?

Cullen







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TIGER?
>
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 17:05:57 2009
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:05:57 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Connectors
In-Reply-To: <4AF9E51D.9040102@roadrunner.com>
References: <4AF9E51D.9040102@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <ADDE49565CE34D058F07DC731D2239ED@OfficePC>

Hi,

I just so happen to work for Mouser Electronics and we sell some from 3M.
The problem is I don't know exactly what size is used in the Tiger.  3M has
several different sizes.  You can see them at
http://www.mouser.com/Interconnects/Terminals/_/N-5g5u?Keyword=bullet&Nr=P_C
atalogPage%3a1509.

There is more info in this 3M document (go to page 22).

Thanks,
Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Tod Brown
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:12 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Connectors

Does anyone know of a source for the "bullet" connectors that are used 
in the wiring of Tigers?
Thanks,

Tod
B382002384LRXFE
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From cmccann at lwpb.com  Tue Nov 10 17:30:34 2009
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:30:34 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] (Non Tigers) Who gets the last beer ?
In-Reply-To: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D408965E08@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>
References: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D408965E08@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BB2FA444C@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

it might be worth noting for anyone who is trying to make a connection hereb&the Tiger beer has nothing to do with Sunbeamsb&.I donbt think that was clear yet....just a coincidence I suppose...







Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Who gets the last beer ?

Tiger beer...B  The beer of Singapore....B 

Good stuff.

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Nov 10 17:37:35 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:37:35 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Connectors
In-Reply-To: <4AF9E51D.9040102@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <3C5D147488E241A585208FFD53250FC8@ronpc1>

Tod
	Wire harness is by Lucas and the connectors are Lucas.
I thought I had a source for them but I don't see it right now; might have
been British Victoria.

Do a Google search for Lucas Bullet connectors.
Numerous sites pop up and there seems to be a couple different sizes.

British Wiring has them.
http://www.britishwiring.com/CAT14_15.PDF

You probably need to call them to get exactly the ones you need.

Ron Fraser

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On Behalf Of Tod Brown
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 5:12 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Connectors


Does anyone know of a source for the "bullet" connectors that are used 
in the wiring of Tigers?
Thanks,

Tod
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From shutchin at netjets.com  Tue Nov 10 18:05:19 2009
From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:05:19 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Who gets the last beer ?
Message-ID: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D408965E09@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>

It's best while sitting at the british pub next to the river. 

Singapore Airlines goes there non-stop out of Newark.  

18hrs or something like that. Last time I went down I took British out of Boston and stopped in London for a few hrs. 

Long, Long way.   


Scott Hutchinson
Director of Operations
NetJets Large Aircraft

Office 860.292.1191
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Tue Nov 10 18:37:40 2009
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:37:40 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Roc (Rochester) 2009
References: <413460.15593.qm@web31403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3EA7097BF9864A26B0DF61B105359665@student2>

Steven,
  You car looks familiar (color, wheels).  At any time was it owned by 
someone named Ron Lingo from Newbury Park, CA.? He lived near me. He owned 
the car for a short time, then I heard it was sold and I never saw it again 
locally.
Tom 

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Tue Nov 10 21:06:27 2009
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:06:27 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Connectors and Beer
Message-ID: <4AFA3843.2010605@roadrunner.com>

Thanks to all who suggested Britishwiring for electrical connectors.  
Don't know how I missed that one as they appear to be very well known.

I have a six-pack of Alpine beer that I acquired many years ago.  Never 
opened, since I saved it for the novelty, so I can't pass judgment on 
it.  My guess is that it is not as powerful as Tiger beer and doesn't 
get you up to speed quite as fast.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From davidandvarley at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 10 22:12:53 2009
From: davidandvarley at hotmail.com (David and Varley Tweddle)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:12:53 +0800
Subject: [Tigers] My Tiger at West Australian Meelup Hillclimb Nov 2009
 (short video included)
Message-ID: <BLU148-W14DFA36386217AE80A39B6CFAA0@phx.gbl>

Hi Sunbeamers,



Well after a 10 year hiatus I'm back into Motorsport. I entered my Tiger into
the Speed series Meelup Hillclimb.



I soon discovered I'm a bit rusty and so are the front Koni Shocks which are
now off the car and being rebuilt!!



Had a great day though in one of the most scenic and picturesque venues for a
Hillclimb in W.A. The weather was warm (93F) and a little humid.



Here are some cellphone video clips and an in car camera clip.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzZptYCV6Ew



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L25fjMLSQMs



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeqzeYa1M6w



I am still running the 2.88 gears so car a little awkward of the line....too
much...or too little power has vastly different results! Too much power on the
clip shown (but it was good fun) as the local WA Police were watching and you
don't often get a chance to light up on a public(closed for the event) road.



I disconected the rear panhard rod to see if it calmed down the twitchiness
and am pleased. I will mod the mounting points to level the bar and refit for
my next excursion at a local circuit racing track (Event - Vintage Stampede)
on Dec 6th.



Best regards to all

David Tweddle

B9472884





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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 00:37:53 2009
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:37:53 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] tiger lister rallying
In-Reply-To: <d23.527a9532.382b3e45@aol.com>
References: <d23.527a9532.382b3e45@aol.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b0911102337l57e144dcrc9e8d732ae5451ed@mail.gmail.com>

The roads are not closed and so are not special stages but just 'test'
sections.  No safety equipment is required.  The flashing lights are
the digits of the trip meter.  They don't flash actually but look
strange on video.  Something to do with the frame rate I think.

More updates tonight.  Morocco is mad - we have some pretty hair
raising video from yesterday but it'll take some time to process it
and uploading to youtube will probably have to wait until we
finish....

On 11/10/09, Landcmitch at aol.com <Landcmitch at aol.com> wrote:
> That's R2D2.  He's great in rallies!
>
> Charlie

From walmenke at bigpond.net.au  Wed Nov 11 04:41:47 2009
From: walmenke at bigpond.net.au (Wally Menke)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:41:47 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] tiger lister rallying
In-Reply-To: <39a841b0911102337l57e144dcrc9e8d732ae5451ed@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <001301ca62c3$f3a87a10$daf96e30$@net.au>

Hi Owain

Yes it's mad, like landing on another planet. I was there in 1981, I thought
I was on the film set of "The Life of Brian", just missing the Python's.

Watch out for the food, we spend many days suffering from food poisoning.

Enjoy it!

Cheers
Wally Menke



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From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:32:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Aussi Hill Climb
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Awsome video...what rear gear are you running??  sounded like 300+ HP to me..
zym
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From newman.d at comcast.net  Wed Nov 11 08:04:41 2009
From: newman.d at comcast.net (Dennis Newman)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:04:41 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Any one know if the McLaren wheels from 80s vintage cars
 fit the tiger
Message-ID: <000001ca62e0$4c07b3d0$e4171b70$@d@comcast.net>

Have a chance to pick up a set of 15' 4 on 4.25 " pattern wheels, they
should clear the calipers I suspect just not sure if the off set is going to
work.  Any comments out there?

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Wed Nov 11 12:49:55 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:49:55 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Any one know if the McLaren wheels from 80s vintage
 cars fit the tiger
In-Reply-To: <000001ca62e0$4c07b3d0$e4171b70$@d@comcast.net>
References: <000001ca62e0$4c07b3d0$e4171b70$@d@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4AFB1563.7080203@SoCal.rr.com>

Did you mean the stroller wheels, or these?

http://www.mclarenmfg.com/pics.html

Steve

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Dennis Newman wrote:
> Have a chance to pick up a set of 15' 4 on 4.25 " pattern wheels, they
> should clear the calipers I suspect just not sure if the off set is going to
> work.  Any comments out there?

From butley1 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 12:58:56 2009
From: butley1 at gmail.com (Carl Thoene)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:58:56 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale still
Message-ID: <ef5437830911111158l7f0759b9g50f08cac2edee60d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all. I can't believe my tiger didn't sell on ebay. I had a reserve of
22,000.00 and it was bid up to 17,300.00. My wife said to sell as low as
20,000.00 obo. 18000.00 will take it.I had 1 offer for 17,900.00 and would
not sell. It includes the factoryhardtop un assembled but with all known
parts except 1 vent window. there is no rust on hardtop and it is painted to
match the red car. I have all the pix if wanted and email with any
questions  Thanks again, Carl

From MWood24020 at aol.com  Thu Nov 12 21:42:20 2009
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:42:20 EST
Subject: [Tigers] "Don Adams" Tiger for sale
Message-ID: <c2a.536d53a2.382e3dac@aol.com>

_http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/842-Sunbeam-Tiger%20Mk.%20IA-289%20c.i.
%208-Cylinder_ 
(http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/842-Sunbeam-Tiger%20Mk.%20IA-289%20c.i.%208-Cylinder) 
 
 
Not involved in sale, just in case anyone has an interest....
 
Mike

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Nov 13 14:01:19 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:01:19 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger beer ad
Message-ID: <12B0BDB283964E6CA9730DE1CC02EF23@ronpc1>

Very interesting clip called "The Last Cold Beer", sent to me by a fellow
Tiger owner.
 
3MB so those on dial up know.
 
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c5e_1257741630
<http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c5e_1257741630&c=1> &c=1
 
Ron Fraser

From jteepen at usatoday.com  Fri Nov 13 14:56:47 2009
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:56:47 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] "Don Adams" Tiger for sale
In-Reply-To: <c2a.536d53a2.382e3dac@aol.com>
References: <c2a.536d53a2.382e3dac@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E155440184EED2@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>

I find it interesting that they refer to this car as having been owned by Don
Adams.  CAT had a luncheon with Don Adams about a year before he passed away.
When he was asked what happened to the car after its use in Get Smart he
confirmed he owned it.  He also stated that the car was scrapped after one of
his daughters had wrecked it, this incident being the final straw after
several other accidents with the car in the hands of his children.  He did not
hesitate about the car's fate and seemed quite certain about its demise.

Does anyone know if he owned another Tiger?

Jere

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MWood24020 at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 8:42 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] "Don Adams" Tiger for sale

_http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/842-Sunbeam-Tiger%20Mk.%20IA-289%20c.i.
%208-Cylinder_
(http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/842-Sunbeam-Tiger%20Mk.%20IA-289%20c.i.%
208-Cylinder)


Not involved in sale, just in case anyone has an interest....

Mike

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Nov 13 16:26:46 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:26:46 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] "Don Adams" Tiger for sale
In-Reply-To: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E155440184EED2@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
Message-ID: <A8C75FB4D21C4175A3E57430B80C4AA3@ronpc1>

TBON lists B382002219 to Steve Sage Woodland Hills CA; dated 7/89.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Teepen, Jere
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 4:57 PM
To: MWood24020 at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] "Don Adams" Tiger for sale


I find it interesting that they refer to this car as having been owned by
Don Adams.  CAT had a luncheon with Don Adams about a year before he passed
away. When he was asked what happened to the car after its use in Get Smart
he confirmed he owned it.  He also stated that the car was scrapped after
one of his daughters had wrecked it, this incident being the final straw
after several other accidents with the car in the hands of his children.  He
did not hesitate about the car's fate and seemed quite certain about its
demise.

Does anyone know if he owned another Tiger?

Jere

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of MWood24020 at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 8:42 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] "Don Adams" Tiger for sale

_http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/842-Sunbeam-Tiger%20Mk.%20IA-289%20c.i.
%208-Cylinder_
(http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/842-Sunbeam-Tiger%20Mk.%20IA-289%20c.i.
%
208-Cylinder)


Not involved in sale, just in case anyone has an interest....

Mike
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Fri Nov 13 17:01:02 2009
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:01:02 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] "Don Adams" Tiger for sale
References: <A8C75FB4D21C4175A3E57430B80C4AA3@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <C3F0EBD909334EFDA506622246527BE4@student2>

>>> TBON lists B382002219 to Steve Sage Woodland Hills CA; dated 7/89.<<<

Well..., that should come as news to Steve!  Then again maybe it explains 
the difficulties he would have with his car. I mean..., you know..., 
"missing it by that much!"  Actually I recall Steve commenting he has a 
Tiger then sold it.  Bought and Alpine then sold it and bought his current 
Tiger???  This is from casual conversation (and my limited memory) at long 
ago CAT meetings.  Steve..., are you out there?

Perhaps the ad should read: SIMILAR TO THE ONE previously owned by actor and 
comic Don Adams.

Tom 

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 13 18:08:56 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:08:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] "Don Adams" Tiger for sale
In-Reply-To: <C3F0EBD909334EFDA506622246527BE4@student2>
Message-ID: <593740.36388.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Perhaps the add should read previously owned by Steve Sage. Either the car
sales is purposely misrepresenting the car or the owners or sellers, which
ever they actually are, have LIED to the dealership.IF this was the original
car driven in the series and later by Don it would have a historic value
besides the value of the car for what it is. I think they should have to
remove the lie. If I had bought into the add and found out later it was just a
restored Mk1A belonging to one of our own, I would be happy I had a Tiger but
one pissed off SOB that I was mislead. I laugh now but as a kid I like that
wacky program and someone else might buy it for the same reason. Its like
selling an Alger as a Tiger when you know its really an Alger. Kind of being
counterfeit if you ask me.
TtT

 
--- On Fri, 11/13/09, Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net> wrote:


From: Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] "Don Adams" Tiger for sale
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 6:01 PM


>>> TBON lists B382002219 to Steve Sage Woodland Hills CA; dated 7/89.<<<

Well..., that should come as news to Steve!  Then again maybe it explains the
difficulties he would have with his car. I mean..., you know..., "missing it
by that much!"  Actually I recall Steve commenting he has a Tiger then sold
it.  Bought and Alpine then sold it and bought his current Tiger???  This is
from casual conversation (and my limited memory) at long ago CAT meetings. 
Steve..., are you out there?

Perhaps the ad should read: SIMILAR TO THE ONE previously owned by actor and
comic Don Adams.

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From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Fri Nov 13 18:57:25 2009
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:57:25 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] "Don Adams" Tiger for sale
In-Reply-To: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E155440184EED2@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
Message-ID: <20091114015725.4KXL9.89813.root@cdptpa-web24-z02>

It's an old recipe....

Take one $30,000 collector car, add a healthy dollop of celebrity
provenance and Viola !!!  $45,000 car.

Similar to taking one $3000 Alpine, add several Tiger parts, a
replica chassis tag or real possibly if you can find one. Shake well
and Viola !!! A Tiger.

Buyer Beware



---- "Teepen wrote: 
> I find it interesting that they refer to this car as having been owned by Don
> Adams.  CAT had a luncheon with Don Adams about a year before he passed away.
> When he was asked what happened to the car after its use in Get Smart he
> confirmed he owned it.  He also stated that the car was scrapped after one of
> his daughters had wrecked it, this incident being the final straw after
> several other accidents with the car in the hands of his children.  He did not
> hesitate about the car's fate and seemed quite certain about its demise.
> 
> Does anyone know if he owned another Tiger?
> 
> Jere
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of MWood24020 at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 8:42 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] "Don Adams" Tiger for sale
> 
> _http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/842-Sunbeam-Tiger%20Mk.%20IA-289%20c.i.
> %208-Cylinder_
> (http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/842-Sunbeam-Tiger%20Mk.%20IA-289%20c.i.%
> 208-Cylinder)
> 
> 
> Not involved in sale, just in case anyone has an interest....
> 
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From twotigers at verizon.net  Fri Nov 13 21:39:07 2009
From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:39:07 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] "Steve Sage" Don Adams Tiger
Message-ID: <005801ca64e4$675141a0$2f01a8c0@smith>

Here's a picture of Steve standing next his car at Bakersfield in 1989
(background).  You can barely make out the 2 rows of louvers in the hood.

    http://tinypic.com/r/2r6p4l1/4

From fastsage at cox.net  Fri Nov 13 21:45:43 2009
From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 04:45:43 -0000
Subject: [Tigers] Don Adams Tiger?
Message-ID: <4B25C382.6030602@cox.net>

Hello Team:
As per the vin number, this is in fact my old Tiger that I sold years 
ago. I sold it to someone in Northern California who later did a 
restoration on it, removed the A/C I had installed, and did the red 
seats and panels, and did some extra badging on it, etc. The interior 
was stock when I sold it. The louvers in the photos are the ones I had 
installed prior to the sale.

When I bought the car, the seller said it was once owned by Don Adams 
and gave me the original registration with Don Adams as owner, c/o his 
production company, which I still have. I had no way of verifying that 
at the time and it wasn't a factor in my making the purchase. I have 
attached the registration but I  think Auto X will remove it from this 
email. If it doesn't show, if anyone wants to see it let me know and I 
can email it directly.

A few years later, at my car dealership, I sold a car to a lady who 
asked me who owned the red Tiger parked outside my office, which was my 
car and my every day driver.  She looked at it in more detail and told 
me that she knew the car well as she had worked for Don's production 
company it had been given to Don as a gift by his production company. 
She recognized the wheels (not what's on the car now) which were very 
distinctive with gold trim on the spokes, plus a couple of other 
distinguishing quirks my Tiger had. Again, I had no way of verifying 
that, but it coincided with what the seller had told me. The Midlands (I 
think that's the brand but I may be wrong) brake booster looks like the 
after market booster I installed when the Girling unit went bad. I also 
had the headlight rims chromed which still remain on the car. When I 
sold the car it had a stock steering wheel at the time.

I have no involvement with the car at all now other than saying that it 
appears to be my ex Tiger and, as far as I know, it did once belong to 
Don Adams.

Steve Sage




sralsten at ca.rr.com wrote:
> It's an old recipe....
>
> Take one $30,000 collector car, add a healthy dollop of celebrity
> provenance and Viola !!!  $45,000 car.
>
> Similar to taking one $3000 Alpine, add several Tiger parts, a
> replica chassis tag or real possibly if you can find one. Shake well
> and Viola !!! A Tiger.
>
> Buyer Beware
>
>
>
> ---- "Teepen wrote: 
>   
>> I find it interesting that they refer to this car as having been owned by Don
>> Adams.  CAT had a luncheon with Don Adams about a year before he passed away.
>> When he was asked what happened to the car after its use in Get Smart he
>> confirmed he owned it.  He also stated that the car was scrapped after one of
>> his daughters had wrecked it, this incident being the final straw after
>> several other accidents with the car in the hands of his children.  He did not
>> hesitate about the car's fate and seemed quite certain about its demise.
>>
>> Does anyone know if he owned another Tiger?
>>
>> Jere
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of MWood24020 at aol.com
>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 8:42 PM
>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Tigers] "Don Adams" Tiger for sale
>>
>> _http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/842-Sunbeam-Tiger%20Mk.%20IA-289%20c.i.
>> %208-Cylinder_
>> (http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/842-Sunbeam-Tiger%20Mk.%20IA-289%20c.i.%
>> 208-Cylinder)
>>
>>
>> Not involved in sale, just in case anyone has an interest....
>>
>> Mike
>>     




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From wwwdg at webtv.net  Fri Nov 13 22:08:26 2009
From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 05:08:26 GMT
Subject: [Tigers] "Don Adams" Tiger for sale
Message-ID: <BAY107-DS6437B2664E465D17209E2ADA70@phx.gbl>

The seller listing shows two different serial numbers 2219, and 219. The
book of Norman shows B9470310 as the Paramount Get Smart Tiger.
David

From fastsage at cox.net  Fri Nov 13 22:54:18 2009
From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 05:54:18 -0000
Subject: [Tigers] "Don Adams" Tiger for sale
In-Reply-To: <BAY107-DS6437B2664E465D17209E2ADA70@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY107-DS6437B2664E465D17209E2ADA70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4B25D395.8020600@cox.net>

To clarify, the seller (when I bought it) didn't claim the car was ever 
in the TV show, just that it was a gift from the production company to Don.

Steve Sage


David or Gary wrote:
> The seller listing shows two different serial numbers 2219, and 219. The
> book of Norman shows B9470310 as the Paramount Get Smart Tiger.
> David
>   





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From bobbridgeford at msn.com  Fri Nov 13 23:42:20 2009
From: bobbridgeford at msn.com (Robert Bridgeford)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:42:20 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
Message-ID: <SNT119-W31B770D02E573C6797FCCEAAA70@phx.gbl>

Tiger list,

I am the owner of the "Don Adams" Tiger on consignment at Fantasy Junction.
Tracking down the provenance of the car was done with the help of Steve Sage
(former owner) and Buck Tripple.  Buck put me in touch with Sue Kesler, film
editor of the re-release of the"Get Smart"  series . After running into
numerous dead-ends trying to work through Hollywood production studios, Ms.
Kesler was very helpful and was able to put  me in touch with Don's family.
They were able to fill  in key details about the title and ownership.  This
car was not the "picture car" which is still missing. It was a  personal
driver which Mr. Adams owned from 1966 until 1982.
  Authentication of the Adams ownership was made last year by Sue,  Dorothy
Adams ( Don's wife during the period) and by Tracy Adams, the daughter who
sometimes drove the car. It was corroborated with a copy from Steve of the
original California title made out to Don Adams. The title was deemed
legitimate because it was addressed to Don's personal accountant at his home;
the family was aware of this incongruous address but nobody outside would have
known this key fact.
Dorothy Adams states that there were "picture cars" as well as the personal
car because they recognized that Don would put too much wear and tear on the
car to use it in the TV series. Indeed, the car was in pretty poor shape when
he let it go, and it was partially rebuilt in Ventura CA by a dealer before
being sold to Steve.
Steve owned the car up through the nineties, and maintained and improved its
condition considerably. It had evidence of several wrecks and lots of bondo,
which he  had redone properly in metal.  As some of you know, he did write it
up in the CATS newsletter about the time of the Tiger-dinner with Mr Adams.
Business problems caused him to sell it at the end of this period; he did not
represent it as the Adams car. It passed through 2 or 3 owners (I have the
names of two) who did not know of the Adams connection.  It was extensively
restored by Trevor Taylor in the mid 2000's, who went so far as to acid dip it
to clean up the chassis. He sold to a friend who eventually put it on ebay,
where i bought it  in March 2006.
I uncovered the connection to Steve through Norman Miller, who I spoke with
several times while it was for sale. It was listed in his registry and he was
aware of the car and the possible celebrity connection. I have filled in Norm
with this new information as the process went along.
The search for the "picture car" which was a 1965 Mark 1, not a 1A like mine,
goes on.  There are also several Alpines claiming to be the original  "gadget
car" which contained the pop up machine gun through the hood (no room with the
V8 to do that). I encourage anyone with more first hand information on these
interesting cars to help fill in the history.
Best Regards,
Bob in Sisters OR

Bob Bridgeford
541 549 9539
Sisters OR 97759

From bobbridgeford at msn.com  Fri Nov 13 23:49:27 2009
From: bobbridgeford at msn.com (Robert Bridgeford)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:49:27 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] "Don Adams" Tiger for sale
In-Reply-To: <4B25D395.8020600@cox.net>
References: <BAY107-DS6437B2664E465D17209E2ADA70@phx.gbl>,
	<4B25D395.8020600@cox.net>
Message-ID: <SNT119-W261E599E67B0EF3CB58B6AAA70@phx.gbl>

Tiger list,I am the owner of the "Don Adams" Tiger on consignment at Fantasy
Junction. Tracking down the provenance of the car was done with the help of
Steve Sage (former owner) and Buck Tripple.  Buck put me in touch with Sue
Kesler, film editor of the re-release of the"Get Smart"  series . After
running into numerous dead-ends trying to work through Hollywood production
studios, Ms. Kesler was very helpful and was able to put  me in touch with
Don's family. They were able to fill  in key details about the title and
ownership.  This car was not the "picture car" which is still missing. It was
a  personal driver which Mr. Adams owned from 1966 until 1982.
Authentication of the Adams ownership was made last year by Sue,  Dorothy
Adams ( Don's wife during the period) and by Tracy Adams, the daughter who
sometimes drove the car. It was corroborated with a copy from Steve of the
original California title made out to Don Adams. The title was deemed
legitimate because it was addressed to Don's personal accountant at his home;
the family was aware of this incongruous address but nobody outside would have
known this key fact. Dorothy Adams states that there were "picture cars" as
well as the personal car because they recognized that Don would put too much
wear and tear on the car to use it in the TV series. Indeed, the car was in
pretty poor shape when he let it go, and it was partially rebuilt in Ventura
CA by a dealer before being sold to Steve.  Steve owned the car up through the
nineties, and maintained and improved its condition considerably. It had
evidence of several wrecks and lots of bondo, which he  had redone properly in
metal.  As some of you know, he did write it up in the CATS newsletter about
the time of the Tiger-dinner with Mr Adams. Business problems caused him to
sell it at the end of this period; he did not represent it as the Adams car.
It passed through 2 or 3 owners (I have the names of two) who did not know of
the Adams connection.  It was extensively restored by Trevor Taylor in the mid
2000's, who went so far as to acid dip it to clean up the chassis. He sold to
a friend who eventually put it on ebay, where i bought it  in March 2006.  I
uncovered the connection to Steve through Norman Miller, who I spoke with
several times while it was for sale. It was listed in his registry and he was
aware of the car and the possible celebrity connection. I have filled in Norm
with this new information as the process went along.  The search for the
"picture car" which was a 1965 Mark 1, not a 1A like mine, goes on.  There are
also several Alpines claiming to be the original  "gadget car" which contained
the pop up machine gun through the hood (no room with the V8 to do that). I
encourage anyone with more first hand information on these interesting cars to
help fill in the history.  Best Regards,Bob in Sisters ORPS - serial number is
2219 -  219 must be a typo.
Bob Bridgeford
541 549 9539
Sisters OR 97759



> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:56:37 -0700
> From: fastsage at cox.net
> To: wwwdg at webtv.net
> CC: MWood24020 at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] "Don Adams" Tiger for sale
>
> To clarify, the seller (when I bought it) didn't claim the car was ever
> in the TV show, just that it was a gift from the production company to Don.
>
> Steve Sage
>
>
> David or Gary wrote:
> > The seller listing shows two different serial numbers 2219, and 219. The
> > book of Norman shows B9470310 as the Paramount Get Smart Tiger.
> > David
> >
>
>
>
>
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From WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com  Sat Nov 14 07:14:18 2009
From: WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com (WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:14:18 EST
Subject: [Tigers] (Tiger) wheel clearance
Message-ID: <bcd.5c570754.3830153a@aol.com>

Will there be any clearance problems, front or rear, using 15" x 7" wheels  
with a 60 profile tire? Would a different profile tire be better with 
respect to  clearance?
 
Thanks.
 
Fred Baum

From gswaybright at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 14 08:32:05 2009
From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:32:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] (Tiger) wheel clearance
In-Reply-To: <bcd.5c570754.3830153a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <358489.75298.qm@web31408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Fred,
It's difficult to say for sure without knowing the width you have in
mind as well, but 60 series seems very big on a 15" for a Tiger. The stock
rolling diam is a little over 23". Looking at some specs on TireRack.com....
if you get a 205/60-15 tire, it's diameter is about 1-1/2" bigger @ ~24.7",
and I'd expect some problems. A 195/60-15 tire is a little better @ 24.2, but
I'd lean toward a 195/55-15 @ 23.4 or a 205/50-15 @ 23.1".

Going bigger on
diameter makes things much worse very fast, especially with the front lower
valence.

For ref, I run 16" rims with 205/45-16 F and 215/45-16 rear on a
lowered suspension.

What do the guys with 15" rims use?

--- On Sat,
11/14/09, WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com <WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com> wrote:

> From:
WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com <WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com>
> Subject: [Tigers] (Tiger) wheel
clearance
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009,
9:14 AM
> Will there be any clearance problems,
> front or rear, using 15" x
7" wheels  
> with a 60 profile tire? Would a different profile tire be
>
better with 
> respect to  clearance?
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Fred Baum

From dave at munroe.ca  Sat Nov 14 17:40:06 2009
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:40:06 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] (Tiger) wheel clearance
In-Reply-To: <358489.75298.qm@web31408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <358489.75298.qm@web31408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2319233BC6F1475BB5855D172C675948@DavePC>

Steve, Fred and all;

I have 15" X 5.5's wheels on the front of my Tiger - 15X6's on the rear.
I'm running 195/50 Yokohama tires on the front, and 203/50's on the rear.

LOTS of clearance, but then, I have stock, or close to stock ride height.

There are two problems with these low profile tires - they significantly 
harden up the ride, good if you are heading to the track or parking lot 
competitions, bad if you are setting up a daily driver. The better halves 
generally don't like the buck-board ride.

Second, because of the larger footprint and generally much more sticky 
rubber, it takes a lot more loud pedal to steer with the rear wheels. So not 
as much fun being bad where you shouldn't.
(:O)

I have just about worn the front tires out, so I am going to try slightly 
larger diameter tires this time around - perhaps 60's, and I don't think I 
will have any clearance problems. There is a.lot of air over the tops of 
both front and rear 50's. Since I also have 3:07's in the rear end, I will 
drop a few revs at highway speed, another good thing for us road trippers.

Good luck with your tire choice and clearance  - please be sure and let us 
know what you do and how it turns out.

Dave


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Waybright" <gswaybright at yahoo.com>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>; <WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] (Tiger) wheel clearance


> Fred,
> It's difficult to say for sure without knowing the width you have in
> mind as well, but 60 series seems very big on a 15" for a Tiger. The stock
> rolling diam is a little over 23". Looking at some specs on 
> TireRack.com....
> if you get a 205/60-15 tire, it's diameter is about 1-1/2" bigger @ 
> ~24.7",
> and I'd expect some problems. A 195/60-15 tire is a little better @ 24.2, 
> but
> I'd lean toward a 195/55-15 @ 23.4 or a 205/50-15 @ 23.1".
>
> Going bigger on
> diameter makes things much worse very fast, especially with the front 
> lower
> valence.
>
> For ref, I run 16" rims with 205/45-16 F and 215/45-16 rear on a
> lowered suspension.
>
> What do the guys with 15" rims use?

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Oc t2008 Shadow Lawn Inn em.jpg]

From mgman71 at comcast.net  Sun Nov 15 14:01:35 2009
From: mgman71 at comcast.net (George Re)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:01:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Right Vent Window.
Message-ID: <1225376508.3620651258318895704.JavaMail.root@sz0112a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Hi: I am looking for a Right side vent window for my 65 Tiger 
does any one have one for sale or know where I can get one. 

Thanks 
George Re 
B9471055 

From rootes1 at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 15 17:09:11 2009
From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:09:11 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] STICK 'EM UP
In-Reply-To: <201423.19520.qm@web83702.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <201423.19520.qm@web83702.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E1N9pBC-0001eM-Lj@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

The TAC group in Florida continues to anoint the willing.  Their most 
recent handiwork involved Inspectors Steve & Carole Halbrook, Matt 
Bouchelle, Nick Kitner, Peter Stanisavljevich and a trainee they've 
dubbed "Rookie Chris".  Senior Inspector, Paul Sheahan reports he, 
"temporarily adjourned the meeting and reconvened at a local Cuban 
restaurant...great food."

http://537poq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p_5-nmHQOxGyI_voUOQuz_3GKxBGY2mjssdUEcNrSL8DgHTVuwaCWrOVuCYeU2C250ZOihqOsQv30grlsPjVHpLU5yIYq_jdV/sat-tac.jpg

Norm

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 16 03:30:58 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:30:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Bill Passe
Message-ID: <727190.62887.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If Bill Passe is a member of our list, please contact me off list.Thanks, TonytheTiger
PS- anyone having Bills email, please fwd. thid to him.

From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Tue Nov 17 15:25:06 2009
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:25:06 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] test - ignore
Message-ID: <5C3D23FBE558452B833A9ED56DE9AF61@your4dacd0ea75>

test

From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Tue Nov 17 15:40:31 2009
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:40:31 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Verizon - not Tiger related
Message-ID: <08FDA6267C45450EB054970D6B54F736@your4dacd0ea75>

I just discovered that Verizon started blocking autox.team.net emails 3 days
ago. Sharing this is probably a waste of time since those with Verizon won't
get it (unless they add "autox.team.net" to their "safe" list with Verizon).

It does show that AOL doesn't have the screwing up market cornered.

Buck Trippel

From prmnes at verizon.net  Tue Nov 17 16:11:51 2009
From: prmnes at verizon.net (Paul Memont)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:11:51 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Verizon - not Tiger related
In-Reply-To: <08FDA6267C45450EB054970D6B54F736@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <08FDA6267C45450EB054970D6B54F736@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <4B032DB7.7070002@verizon.net>

I still receive the messages.

Buck Trippel wrote:
> I just discovered that Verizon started blocking autox.team.net emails 3 days
> ago. Sharing this is probably a waste of time since those with Verizon won't
> get it (unless they add "autox.team.net" to their "safe" list with Verizon).
>
> It does show that AOL doesn't have the screwing up market cornered.
>
> Buck Trippel
> _______________________________________________

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 16:23:27 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:23:27 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] CONGRATULATIONS OWAIN!!!
Message-ID: <d86d088a0911171523m1c33f6c5h6d9de47055438665@mail.gmail.com>

CONGRATULATIONS OWAIN!!!

In the over-two-litres class in the Classic division, Richard Martin and
Travis Cole win in their Jaguar XK150, Barry and Roma Weir are second in a
Mercedes 280SL, and the two lads in a Sunbeam Tiger on their first rally,
Owain Lloyd and Adrian O'Niell, third.

http://www.endurorally.com/casablanca2009/reports.html

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From shutchin at netjets.com  Tue Nov 17 16:46:59 2009
From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:46:59 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] CONGRATULATIONS OWAIN!!!
Message-ID: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D408965E2F@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>

Now that must have been fun. Congrats gents!


Scott Hutchinson
Director of Operations
NetJets Large Aircraft

Office 860.292.1191
Mobile 843.290.2805

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From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Tue Nov 17 17:03:47 2009
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:03:47 EST
Subject: [Tigers] 65 MK1
Message-ID: <be4.6636f4b1.383493e3@aol.com>

Any one know anything about this one.
_http://classic-collectible-cars.ebizautos.com/detail-1965-sunbeam-tiger-mar
k_i-4808875.html   

B382002560
_ 
(http://classic-collectible-cars.ebizautos.com/detail-1965-sunbeam-tiger-mark_i-4808875.html) 

From robin02 at mindspring.com  Tue Nov 17 18:37:21 2009
From: robin02 at mindspring.com (Robin Young)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:37:21 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] 65 MK1
In-Reply-To: <be4.6636f4b1.383493e3@aol.com>
References: <be4.6636f4b1.383493e3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7379F6488FE24B4F94194D2FB92C801B@RobinLaptop>

Nice work!!   That cost a lot more than the price to buy. RObin

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of AAAGLASSS at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:04 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] 65 MK1

Any one know anything about this one.
_http://classic-collectible-cars.ebizautos.com/detail-1965-sunbeam-tiger-mar
k_i-4808875.html   

B382002560

From awtiger at cox.net  Wed Nov 18 10:29:50 2009
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:29:50 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] AutoPower roll bar clearance
Message-ID: <20091118122950.H5IT8.1022137.imail@eastrmwml36>

Hey, guys:

Is there anybody out there who is running an "AutoPower" brand roll bar in their early Alpine (Series I &II)?  Are there any clearance issues with the factory hardtop?  

Thanks as usual,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740)
B9006857LRX

From fabbro at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 18 19:00:34 2009
From: fabbro at shaw.ca (Fabbro)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:00:34 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
Message-ID: <DE8213A68AF94C809900E57B2DD6342C@fabbro>

Hi All
 
 The Tiger Speedos that I have the input rotation looking from the back
should be counter clock wise for it to operate properly. I confirmed
this by making an adapter from a small rat tail file and putting it in a
drill and spinning it in reverse. My rebuilt top loader with a new drive
cable hooked to it operates in the opposite direction. What is the
problem with my set up?  Thanks in advance.
 
Kim

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Nov 18 19:06:48 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:06:48 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
In-Reply-To: <DE8213A68AF94C809900E57B2DD6342C@fabbro>
References: <DE8213A68AF94C809900E57B2DD6342C@fabbro>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0911181806i726d426ekcd879141289944f7@mail.gmail.com>

Some drive gears go the other way from different applications.. a friend had
this on his car.. there is an adaptor that can reverse the roatation so the
cable goes the right way. Its likely you have rebuilt your trans and used
another models parts.. the adaptor was quite reasonably priced.. Wally Menke
from the list will know where to get it.. he is away at the moment,. but
will proabbly be able to answer next week.

2009/11/19 Fabbro <fabbro at shaw.ca>

> Hi All
>
>  The Tiger Speedos that I have the input rotation looking from the back
> should be counter clock wise for it to operate properly. I confirmed
> this by making an adapter from a small rat tail file and putting it in a
> drill and spinning it in reverse. My rebuilt top loader with a new drive
> cable hooked to it operates in the opposite direction. What is the
> problem with my set up?  Thanks in advance.
>
> Kim
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From awtiger at cox.net  Wed Nov 18 19:34:32 2009
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:34:32 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Rear end numbers
Message-ID: <20091118213432.294RH.237855.imail@fed1rmwml30>

Guys:

I can't believe that I don't remember this, but where do you find the rear end number on a Tiger?  Is it on a tag or stamped into the rear end somewhere?  I'm just wanting to verify that my car has the original rear end in it.  

Thanks in advance,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740)
B9006857LRX

From srwick at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 18 19:37:24 2009
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:37:24 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Rear end numbers
In-Reply-To: <20091118213432.294RH.237855.imail@fed1rmwml30>
References: <20091118213432.294RH.237855.imail@fed1rmwml30>
Message-ID: <COL122-DS18B9F5D8C713399BC85F0ED8A20@phx.gbl>

If I recall correctly, it's stamped into the bottom of the center section.

Steve (in N. Id.)
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: awtiger at cox.net<mailto:awtiger at cox.net>
  To: tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:34 PM
  Subject: [Tigers] Rear end numbers


  Guys:

  I can't believe that I don't remember this, but where do you find the rear
end number on a Tiger?  Is it on a tag or stamped into the rear end somewhere?
I'm just wanting to verify that my car has the original rear end in it.

  Thanks in advance,
  Andy Walker
  Edmond, OK
  B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740)
  B9006857LRX
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From awtiger at cox.net  Wed Nov 18 19:42:56 2009
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:42:56 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Craigslist
Message-ID: <20091118214256.XO0PC.237956.imail@fed1rmwml30>

Hey, everyone:

Just wanted to let you all know that there was a Tiger on Craigslist in the Oklahoma City area.  I know the car but have no connection to it.  Here's the link:

http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/1470664835.html

Good luck,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740)
B9006857LRX

From alpdavegre at msn.com  Wed Nov 18 20:37:38 2009
From: alpdavegre at msn.com (DAVID GREEN)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:37:38 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] [Alpines] AutoPower roll bar clearance
In-Reply-To: <20091118122950.H5IT8.1022137.imail@eastrmwml36>
References: <20091118122950.H5IT8.1022137.imail@eastrmwml36>
Message-ID: <SNT110-W548B592E52A4C004E524E2DEA20@phx.gbl>

Andy,



I have an Autopower roll bar on Sue's S1. Tight clearance with factory hardtop
but okay. On the soft top I ended up fitting the side doors so they come
straight up and out. This allows the rear door on the soft top to pivot
forward just enough to get soft top up. The rear of the side doors have a pin
and socket set up and on the front of the side doors I made a sleeve to fit
into the original eyelet bracket.

Dave Green owner of 16 Beams

Tucson, Az.

> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:29:50 -0500
> From: awtiger at cox.net
> To: alpines at autox.team.net; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Alpines] AutoPower roll bar clearance
>
> Hey, guys:
>
> Is there anybody out there who is running an "AutoPower" brand roll bar in
their early Alpine (Series I &II)? Are there any clearance issues with the
factory hardtop?
>
> Thanks as usual,
> Andy Walker
> Edmond, OK
> B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740)
> B9006857LRX
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From awtiger at cox.net  Wed Nov 18 21:19:19 2009
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:19:19 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] [Alpines] AutoPower roll bar clearance
In-Reply-To: <SNT110-W548B592E52A4C004E524E2DEA20@phx.gbl>
References: <20091118122950.H5IT8.1022137.imail@eastrmwml36>
	<SNT110-W548B592E52A4C004E524E2DEA20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5E4CAEF6658A4D439DF4FCD4BF24DE13@awtigerPC>

Guys:

Thanks to all who answered my question on AutoPower roll bar clearance under
an early Alpine hardtop.  I'm actually not worried at all since the car in
question is my Series I race car and it has no soft top.  I'm thinking of
converting it to more of a "Sebring-style" of car for vintage racing, rather
than running it open-topped with a shorty windscreen.  I'd like to put some
street miles on it, too, and fitting the top and a proper windshield would be
just the ticket.  Plus, it'll still be vintage racing eligible.

See you at the races,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740)
B9006857LRX

From awtiger at cox.net  Wed Nov 18 21:22:01 2009
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:22:01 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Rear end numbers
In-Reply-To: <278930.75772.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20091118213432.294RH.237855.imail@fed1rmwml30>
	<278930.75772.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8C892DAC3FB74CE8AA3EFB35C3E17B6A@awtigerPC>

Bill, et al:

Thanks a million for the tip on where to find the rear end numbers on a Tiger.
I guess I'm getting old or something...I just couldn't remember where to find
them!  I'll guarantee you that I'm going to have to degrease mine before I can
read the numbers, too!!!

Thanks again,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740)
B9006857LRX

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Waite
  To: awtiger at cox.net
  Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear end numbers


  Andy,

  It is on the bottom of the rear end on the "flat" that is positioned on the
driveshaft end.  In the attached picture, I had used some lacquer thinner to
remove paint so the number would show up better.  I believe each Tiger has a
unique number.

  Bill Waite
  Grand Rapids, MI


-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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  To: tigers at autox.team.net
  Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 9:34:32 PM
  Subject: [Tigers] Rear end numbers

  Guys:

  I can't believe that I don't remember this, but where do you find the rear
end number on a Tiger?  Is it on a tag or stamped into the rear end somewhere?
I'm just wanting to verify that my car has the original rear end in it.

  Thanks in advance,
  Andy Walker
  Edmond, OK
  B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740)
  B9006857LRX
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Nov 18 21:31:48 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:31:48 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
In-Reply-To: <DE8213A68AF94C809900E57B2DD6342C@fabbro>
Message-ID: <E2344722C1C94C859A359C4C4BC5EDBF@ronpc1>

Kim
	So looking at the speedometer cable from the drivers seat; your
cable is turning counter clockwise which is the wrong direction.  Cable
needs to be turning clockwise which is counter clockwise look at the back of
the speedometer.

	Which side of the tail shaft does the speedometer cable enter?
Drivers side requires a Right drive gear; passenger side requires a Left
drive gear.

	The correct driving gear in the transmission is B7C-17285-A, the
cable driven gear is C3OA-17271-A 15 tooth, which is obsolete.  My original
gear has a 15R molded into the plastic.  I'm guessing that if you remove the
cable from the transmission that you have an "L" number on that gear.  You
might be able to change to an "R" number gear and be OK.   I'm not sure if
it is that simple but maybe.

Transmission gear information with gear, adaptors and reverse adaptors.

http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_______va.htm

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Fabbro
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:01 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation


Hi All

 The Tiger Speedos that I have the input rotation looking from the back
should be counter clock wise for it to operate properly. I confirmed this by
making an adapter from a small rat tail file and putting it in a drill and
spinning it in reverse. My rebuilt top loader with a new drive cable hooked
to it operates in the opposite direction. What is the problem with my set
up?  Thanks in advance.

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From Carmods at aol.com  Thu Nov 19 07:30:30 2009
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:30:30 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
Message-ID: <d5e.5eaae526.3836b086@aol.com>

Kim,
 
You have the wrong speedometer drive gears in your transmission or the  
wrong tail shaft. You can change the rotation direction by changing the drive  
gear on the transmission output shaft and the driven gear at the speedometer 
 cable.If you change the driven gear from a left hand drive left to right  
hand drive or visa versa, you must also change the drive worm gear so that 
they  will mesh. I don't know where you get the proper gears but maybe you 
can start  with the guy you bought the transmission from. 
 
If you solve the problem with an adaptor, try to install it at the  
transmission to reduce the driving torque in the cable and to keep the cable  
rotating in the proper rotation. It it rotates backward, the "Lay" or twist of  
the cable will pump oil from the transmission to the speedometer and then  to 
your feet. 
John Logan

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 19 10:47:05 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:47:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
 http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_______va.htm#Misc.%20Gears
Message-ID: <442612.79284.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tom Hall sent me a link once. They sold all kinds of speedo gears, cables,
electronic speedo syestems etc etc.
They also sold a reversing unit. It went on in place of your cable at the
tranny- lookd just like the end of the Tiger speedo cable- I think it was made
on 90 degres and our speedo cable then screwed onto th other end(which looks
just like the tranny side of where our cables attach. Now the cable turns the
correct direction. I think cost was about $88 plus shipping,if memory serves.
 
I will attach the link. IF you buy the unit, PLEASE tell us how it works etc
etc. To many request for HOW DO I FIX THIS OR FIX THAT are ask on this list
and then we never hear if the help fixed the problem- NOW thats not 100% true
but it is above 50% and if you have a problem and post a request for help,
then PLEASE let us hear if the repair worked.Cheers, TonytheTiger     
http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_______va.htm#Misc.%
20Gears
 
 
--- On Thu, 11/19/09, Carmods at aol.com <Carmods at aol.com> wrote:

 

From: Carmods at aol.com <Carmods at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 8:30 AM


Kim,

You have the wrong speedometer drive gears in your transmission or the 
wrong tail shaft. You can change the rotation direction by changing the drive 
gear on the transmission output shaft and the driven gear at the speedometer
cable.If you change the driven gear from a left hand drive left to right 
hand drive or visa versa, you must also change the drive worm gear so that
they  will mesh. I don't know where you get the proper gears but maybe you
can start  with the guy you bought the transmission from.

If you solve the problem with an adaptor, try to install it at the 
transmission to reduce the driving torque in the cable and to keep the cable 
rotating in the proper rotation. It it rotates backward, the "Lay" or twist
of 
the cable will pump oil from the transmission to the speedometer and then  to
your feet.
John Logan
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Nov 19 12:20:29 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:20:29 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
 http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_______va.htm#Misc.%20Gears
In-Reply-To: <442612.79284.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <54385DD0935F499088E2FE5EF8C58BD1@ronpc1>

Tony
	I 2nd the motion!   The List is here to collectively add to the
Tiger knowledge base. Too many times a problem gets resolved privately with
no feedback to the List.  Hey, I just might be interested in your solution
and salute your innovative resolution to the problem.

It is very useful to list a problem, list a root cause of the problem then
list a solution.

I state a solution because most problems will have numerous solutions.

Engineering is a study of iterations.  The 1st iteration will work fine but
the 2nd or 3rd iteration might be better, easier or more cost effective to
implement.

So grab your pencils, pens or keyboards and start writing or typing and be
specific with part numbers and procedure; it all helps everyone.

I have several in the works; I just need to finish them to my satisfaction.

Sometimes what I write even gets published so they need to be understandable
to everyone.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Tony Somebody
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 12:47 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net; Carmods at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_______va.htm#Misc.
%20Gears


Tom Hall sent me a link once. They sold all kinds of speedo gears, cables,
electronic speedo syestems etc etc. They also sold a reversing unit. It went
on in place of your cable at the
tranny- lookd just like the end of the Tiger speedo cable- I think it was
made on 90 degres and our speedo cable then screwed onto th other end(which
looks just like the tranny side of where our cables attach. Now the cable
turns the correct direction. I think cost was about $88 plus shipping,if
memory serves.

I will attach the link. IF you buy the unit, PLEASE tell us how it works etc
etc. To many request for HOW DO I FIX THIS OR FIX THAT are ask on this list
and then we never hear if the help fixed the problem- NOW thats not 100%
true but it is above 50% and if you have a problem and post a request for
help,
then PLEASE let us hear if the repair worked.Cheers, TonytheTiger
http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_______va.htm#Misc.
%
20Gears

From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Thu Nov 19 12:58:28 2009
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:58:28 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
 http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_______va.htm#Misc.%20Gears
In-Reply-To: <54385DD0935F499088E2FE5EF8C58BD1@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <20091119195828.80LO1.37960.root@cdptpa-web13-z02>

A good arguement for changing to a discussion board rather than an email list.
Infinately more searchable than this older technology, plus with pictures.

But that still requires keeping the discussion public and requires
that the questioner relate how the action taken worked. This has
been a wonderful access to help with my Tiger questions and problems but too often the responses
I get are private but contain information that should be public. If that
happens every time I ask a question I imagine it happens all the time.

Steve
B9473720


----  Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote: 
> Tony
> 	I 2nd the motion!   The List is here to collectively add to the
> Tiger knowledge base. Too many times a problem gets resolved privately with
> no feedback to the List.  Hey, I just might be interested in your solution
> and salute your innovative resolution to the problem.
> 
> It is very useful to list a problem, list a root cause of the problem then
> list a solution.
> 
> I state a solution because most problems will have numerous solutions.
> 
> Engineering is a study of iterations.  The 1st iteration will work fine but
> the 2nd or 3rd iteration might be better, easier or more cost effective to
> implement.
> 
> So grab your pencils, pens or keyboards and start writing or typing and be
> specific with part numbers and procedure; it all helps everyone.
> 
> I have several in the works; I just need to finish them to my satisfaction.
> 
> Sometimes what I write even gets published so they need to be understandable
> to everyone.
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Tony Somebody
> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 12:47 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net; Carmods at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
> http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_______va.htm#Misc.
> %20Gears
> 
> 
> Tom Hall sent me a link once. They sold all kinds of speedo gears, cables,
> electronic speedo syestems etc etc. They also sold a reversing unit. It went
> on in place of your cable at the
> tranny- lookd just like the end of the Tiger speedo cable- I think it was
> made on 90 degres and our speedo cable then screwed onto th other end(which
> looks just like the tranny side of where our cables attach. Now the cable
> turns the correct direction. I think cost was about $88 plus shipping,if
> memory serves.
> 
> I will attach the link. IF you buy the unit, PLEASE tell us how it works etc
> etc. To many request for HOW DO I FIX THIS OR FIX THAT are ask on this list
> and then we never hear if the help fixed the problem- NOW thats not 100%
> true but it is above 50% and if you have a problem and post a request for
> help,
> then PLEASE let us hear if the repair worked.Cheers, TonytheTiger
> http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_______va.htm#Misc.
> %
> 20Gears
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Thu Nov 19 13:18:33 2009
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:18:33 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Forum vs. mailing list, was: RE:  Speedo Rotation
In-Reply-To: <20091119195828.80LO1.37960.root@cdptpa-web13-z02>
References: <54385DD0935F499088E2FE5EF8C58BD1@ronpc1>
	<20091119195828.80LO1.37960.root@cdptpa-web13-z02>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905647@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

Usenet type mailing lists have been around a long time, and it's quite
possible to search right back to day one of many such lists. The backup
requirements are quite modest for any given list (although the
cumulative requirements for a server running multiple lists can become
substantial - this is why Mark Bradakis periodically solicits
donations). The online discussion boards are actually a lot harder to
search and maintain, and there seems to be a need for people to
categorize the forum contributions to such a fine degree that a
discussion might be completely missed by many people that could
contribute, simply because they don't often read that particular
sub-sub-topic. The only way you can stay on top of everything that's
going on is if the forum happens to have a 'most recent posts' selection
ability.

Whether or not (and how) a discussion board or forum will host pictures
is up to the configuration of the forum and the bandwidth capabilities
of the server. Compared to a forum that doesn't do local hosting, there
is no real difference here except you have to click through a link to
start your browser.. I like having that option, and also that the
discussion comes to me via email, instead of me having to go troll
through all the various forums.
Theo




> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten at ca.rr.com
> Sent: November 19, 2009 12:58 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net; 'Tony Somebody'; Carmods at aol.com;
> rfraser at bluefrog.com
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
> http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_____
> __va.htm#Misc.%20Gears
>
> A good arguement for changing to a discussion board rather
> than an email list.
> Infinately more searchable than this older technology, plus
> with pictures.
>
> But that still requires keeping the discussion public and
> requires that the questioner relate how the action taken
> worked. This has been a wonderful access to help with my
> Tiger questions and problems but too often the responses I
> get are private but contain information that should be
> public. If that happens every time I ask a question I imagine
> it happens all the time.
>
> Steve
> B9473720

From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Thu Nov 19 13:24:40 2009
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:24:40 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
 http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_______va.htm#Misc.%20Gears
Message-ID: <20091119202441.GYEU7.38297.root@cdptpa-web13-z02>

A good arguement for changing to a discussion board rather than an email list.
Infinately more searchable than this older technology, plus with pictures.

But that still requires keeping the discussion public and requires
that the questioner relate how the action taken worked. This has
been a wonderful access to help with my Tiger questions and problems but too often the responses
I get are private but contain information that should be public. If that
happens every time I ask a question I imagine it happens all the time.

Steve
B9473720


----  Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote: 
> Tony
> 	I 2nd the motion!   The List is here to collectively add to the
> Tiger knowledge base. Too many times a problem gets resolved privately with
> no feedback to the List.  Hey, I just might be interested in your solution
> and salute your innovative resolution to the problem.
> 
> It is very useful to list a problem, list a root cause of the problem then
> list a solution.
> 
> I state a solution because most problems will have numerous solutions.
> 
> Engineering is a study of iterations.  The 1st iteration will work fine but
> the 2nd or 3rd iteration might be better, easier or more cost effective to
> implement.
> 
> So grab your pencils, pens or keyboards and start writing or typing and be
> specific with part numbers and procedure; it all helps everyone.
> 
> I have several in the works; I just need to finish them to my satisfaction.
> 
> Sometimes what I write even gets published so they need to be understandable
> to everyone.
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Tony Somebody
> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 12:47 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net; Carmods at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
> http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_______va.htm#Misc.
> %20Gears
> 
> 
> Tom Hall sent me a link once. They sold all kinds of speedo gears, cables,
> electronic speedo syestems etc etc. They also sold a reversing unit. It went
> on in place of your cable at the
> tranny- lookd just like the end of the Tiger speedo cable- I think it was
> made on 90 degres and our speedo cable then screwed onto th other end(which
> looks just like the tranny side of where our cables attach. Now the cable
> turns the correct direction. I think cost was about $88 plus shipping,if
> memory serves.
> 
> I will attach the link. IF you buy the unit, PLEASE tell us how it works etc
> etc. To many request for HOW DO I FIX THIS OR FIX THAT are ask on this list
> and then we never hear if the help fixed the problem- NOW thats not 100%
> true but it is above 50% and if you have a problem and post a request for
> help,
> then PLEASE let us hear if the repair worked.Cheers, TonytheTiger
> http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_______va.htm#Misc.
> %
> 20Gears
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Nov 19 13:37:01 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:37:01 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
 http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_______va.htm#Misc.%20Gears
In-Reply-To: <20091119195828.80LO1.37960.root@cdptpa-web13-z02>
Message-ID: <4C4FF6CB39724DFF91FB30403252F195@ronpc1>

Steve
	There's room for both.  Personally I like the email format.

	The Forums or discussion boards have always been difficult for me.
It's probably me.   I just don't find the Forum format that interesting or
easy to work within.   I have always had problems with the Forums; maybe I
just get frustrated with them too quickly.  I also find it frustrating that
membership is required for some Forum groups to see some or all the
pictures.

But that's just me.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com [mailto:sralsten at ca.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 2:58 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net; 'Tony Somebody'; Carmods at aol.com;
rfraser at bluefrog.com
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_______va.htm#Misc.
%20Gears


A good arguement for changing to a discussion board rather than an email
list. Infinately more searchable than this older technology, plus with
pictures.

But that still requires keeping the discussion public and requires that the
questioner relate how the action taken worked. This has been a wonderful
access to help with my Tiger questions and problems but too often the
responses I get are private but contain information that should be public.
If that happens every time I ask a question I imagine it happens all the
time.

Steve
B9473720


-

From srekate at pacifier.com  Thu Nov 19 13:47:56 2009
From: srekate at pacifier.com (Scott Rekate)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:47:56 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
Message-ID: <C92A2281-047A-4466-ABB4-4E03FDFF68F1@pacifier.com>

T/T, et all,

I needed to resolve the same reversing issue with the speedo cable direction
in my Borg/Warner WC T-5 with AMC tailhousing.  It turned out this was one of
D.A's. first retro fit jobs and didn't replace the correct drive gear.  Not
wanting to drop the trans., after discovering the problem, I had a local
speedo shop make me up a reversing housing that screwed directly to the
tailhousing.  Needed to cut about 6" off the cable and have a new end crimped
on.  The result worked fine but discovered the crimping of the end was not
leak proof forcing me to have to treat it with JB Weld as not to have unwanted
drippings everywhere.  I found that the reverse  housing is thin walled and is
designed for hand tightening.  As a warning, don't over tighten.  Not a
perfect solution in that I still see a few drops being emitted because it
doesn't seem to want to make a prefect seal.  On the other hand I'm not ready
to take on the transmission disassembly task as of yet.
By the way you can get replacement gears (drive,driven) at  NPD.
http://www.npdlink.com/modules.php?name=Mustang_Catalog&file=index&func=downl
oad

Scott

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Nov 19 15:16:44 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:16:44 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
 http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_______va.htm#Misc.%20Gears
In-Reply-To: <4C4FF6CB39724DFF91FB30403252F195@ronpc1>
References: <4C4FF6CB39724DFF91FB30403252F195@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <4B05C3CC.10706@mayfco.com>

Nope, Ron, it isn't just you! I too prefer the email service.  I do no 
thave to hunt up athread to see what I want to see...it all comes ala 
firehose. My choice, I delete a lot of stuff that is irrelevant to me.  
And if someone wants to see a picture, then I send them a picture or 
vice versa.  No hidden ads to pop up, no advertising, just email.

mayf
Ron Fraser wrote:

>Steve
>	There's room for both.  Personally I like the email format.
>
>	The Forums or discussion boards have always been difficult for me.
>It's probably me.   I just don't find the Forum format that interesting or
>easy to work within.   I have always had problems with the Forums; maybe I
>just get frustrated with them too quickly.  I also find it frustrating that
>membership is required for some Forum groups to see some or all the
>pictures.
>
>But that's just me.
>
>Ron Fraser
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: sralsten at ca.rr.com [mailto:sralsten at ca.rr.com]
>Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 2:58 PM
>To: tigers at autox.team.net; 'Tony Somebody'; Carmods at aol.com;
>rfraser at bluefrog.com
>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
>http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_______va.htm#Misc.
>%20Gears
>
>
>A good arguement for changing to a discussion board rather than an email
>list. Infinately more searchable than this older technology, plus with
>pictures.
>
>But that still requires keeping the discussion public and requires that the
>questioner relate how the action taken worked. This has been a wonderful
>access to help with my Tiger questions and problems but too often the
>responses I get are private but contain information that should be public.
>If that happens every time I ask a question I imagine it happens all the
>time.
>
>Steve
>B9473720
>
>
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 19 17:11:49 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:11:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
 http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_______va.htm#Misc.%20Gears
Message-ID: <780790.85916.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

List- I wasn't trying to open a can of worms when I requested that those who
ask for help, to post the fix once it is obtained. That way we all learn BUT
let me be the first to apologize for sending a private fix when someone ask
for help. My reason- I don't want to embarrass myself with a stupid idea that
I think might solve the problem- so I send the email just to the person
asking. Not always but I am guilty. I once mentioned how smart I felt Theo is.
Well if you know Theo or have just set and listened to a conversation he is
having, his intelligence is obvious and too he often posted a responce that
matched mine, so that made me feel smarter (NOT).Theo is one of many SMART
members of this list but I certainly agree more fixes need to post so all may
read them. Is it important we post our answers or more important that "the
fix" get posted. Well I'm of the opinion it's the latter
but I can understand many preferring both get posted and will from now on post
my reply to the list and not just to the person asking for help. I rather read
a responce from Theo or Tom, Dave and many others more qualified but I'm
willing to post my thoughts IF the Lister asking for help, later reply with
what worked best, if he tried more than one persons thoughts and any
reccomendations, including what might have prevented the problem from
starting.
Cheers, TtT
 
 
 

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Thu Nov 19 17:25:44 2009
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:25:44 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
In-Reply-To: <780790.85916.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <780790.85916.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D1570190564C@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

Pffft. The other reason I post my "fixes" or suggestions is so that when
(not if) I'm wrong, someone will correct me before any damage is done.

Cheers,
Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody
> Sent: November 19, 2009 5:12 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net; Carmods at aol.com;
> rfraser at bluefrog.com; sralsten at ca.rr.com
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
> http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_____
> __va.htm#Misc.%20Gears
>
<snip>
 I once mentioned how smart I felt Theo is.
> Well if you know Theo or have just set and listened to a
...
<snip>

From chris at cthompson.net  Thu Nov 19 21:14:29 2009
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:14:29 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
 http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_______va.htm#Misc.%20Gears
In-Reply-To: <4B05C3CC.10706@mayfco.com>
References: <4C4FF6CB39724DFF91FB30403252F195@ronpc1>
	<4B05C3CC.10706@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <4B0617A5.3080501@cthompson.net>

There are fire-hoses and there are garden-hoses.  The Tiger list is a 
crimped garden hose compared to a lot of lists I watch.  The volume is 
not so high to be annoying to my delete finger when a topic 
uninteresting to me is underway.  But there have been some Tiger owners 
who have un$ubscribed due to the volume.  There are better technologies 
out there that offer more options, but we are at the mercy of volunteers 
here, after all.  Personally, I tithe to Bradakis every time he asks, as 
I am eternally grateful for the service he does provide....

Chris

drmayf wrote:
> Nope, Ron, it isn't just you! I too prefer the email service.  I do no 
> thave to hunt up athread to see what I want to see...it all comes ala 
> firehose. My choice, I delete a lot of stuff that is irrelevant to 
> me.  And if someone wants to see a picture, then I send them a picture 
> or vice versa.  No hidden ads to pop up, no advertising, just email.
>
> mayf
> Ron Fraser wrote:

From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Thu Nov 19 21:59:02 2009
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (Steve Ralsten)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:59:02 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
 http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_______va.htm#Misc.%20Gears
References: <4C4FF6CB39724DFF91FB30403252F195@ronpc1><4B05C3CC.10706@mayfco.com>
	<4B0617A5.3080501@cthompson.net>
Message-ID: <76634C2623764B90A946936F5FB7E53D@DELL4600>

Up to date board software is quite simple to use, it remembers who you are 
through cookies
and highlights material for you that is new since your last visit. It does 
not fill your
email box with messages that will be in the way forever if not deleted. 
However that being said
my mention of discussion board was not intended to be the primary thrust of 
my post.
Sorry thats the way it came out.

My point was to agree with the statement that this list for its benefits and 
frailties can
be made much better if people would not deviate into private responses so 
that the majority
of us never see the answer that solved the problem or the response that 
indeed said "problem solved"
I know the best responses I get are often private, great for me but bad for 
other people
that may need the same answer. I get a great deal from this list as well as 
the Alpine and CAT
discussion boards.

Steve
B9473720


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Thompson" <chris at cthompson.net>
To: <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Cc: <Carmods at aol.com>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation 
http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_______va.htm#Misc.%20Gears


> There are fire-hoses and there are garden-hoses.  The Tiger list is a 
> crimped garden hose compared to a lot of lists I watch.  The volume is not 
> so high to be annoying to my delete finger when a topic uninteresting to 
> me is underway.  But there have been some Tiger owners who have 
> un$ubscribed due to the volume.  There are better technologies out there 
> that offer more options, but we are at the mercy of volunteers here, after 
> all.  Personally, I tithe to Bradakis every time he asks, as I am 
> eternally grateful for the service he does provide....
>
> Chris
>
> drmayf wrote:
>> Nope, Ron, it isn't just you! I too prefer the email service.  I do no 
>> thave to hunt up athread to see what I want to see...it all comes ala 
>> firehose. My choice, I delete a lot of stuff that is irrelevant to me. 
>> And if someone wants to see a picture, then I send them a picture or vice 
>> versa.  No hidden ads to pop up, no advertising, just email.
>>
>> mayf
>> Ron Fraser wrote:
> _______________________________________________
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From jteepen at usatoday.com  Fri Nov 20 08:25:26 2009
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:25:26 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
 http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_______va.htm#Misc.%20Gears
In-Reply-To: <76634C2623764B90A946936F5FB7E53D@DELL4600>
References: <4C4FF6CB39724DFF91FB30403252F195@ronpc1><4B05C3CC.10706@mayfco.com>
	<4B0617A5.3080501@cthompson.net>
	<76634C2623764B90A946936F5FB7E53D@DELL4600>
Message-ID: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E155440216EF82@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>

The best feature of this list is that I do not have to go to any website, etc.
I open my e-mail and there is a wonderful distraction from the normal (and
usually annoying) work related e-mails.  This provides a nice incentive to
check my e-mail more frequently, except when we go off on some really
unrelated tangent.

I am a member of C.A.T. and TE/AE.  Both have forums.  I think I have looked
at both forums once or twice.  This is much easier.  I am for easy.

I like it.

Jere

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Steve Ralsten
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 8:59 PM
To: chris at cthompson.net; drmayf at mayfco.com
Cc: Carmods at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_______va.htm#Misc.%
20Gears

Up to date board software is quite simple to use, it remembers who you are
through cookies
and highlights material for you that is new since your last visit. It does
not fill your
email box with messages that will be in the way forever if not deleted.
However that being said
my mention of discussion board was not intended to be the primary thrust of
my post.
Sorry thats the way it came out.

My point was to agree with the statement that this list for its benefits and
frailties can
be made much better if people would not deviate into private responses so
that the majority
of us never see the answer that solved the problem or the response that
indeed said "problem solved"
I know the best responses I get are often private, great for me but bad for
other people
that may need the same answer. I get a great deal from this list as well as
the Alpine and CAT
discussion boards.

Steve
B9473720


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Thompson" <chris at cthompson.net>
To: <drmayf at mayfco.com>
Cc: <Carmods at aol.com>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_______va.htm#Misc.%
20Gears


> There are fire-hoses and there are garden-hoses.  The Tiger list is a
> crimped garden hose compared to a lot of lists I watch.  The volume is not
> so high to be annoying to my delete finger when a topic uninteresting to
> me is underway.  But there have been some Tiger owners who have
> un$ubscribed due to the volume.  There are better technologies out there
> that offer more options, but we are at the mercy of volunteers here, after
> all.  Personally, I tithe to Bradakis every time he asks, as I am
> eternally grateful for the service he does provide....
>
> Chris
>
> drmayf wrote:
>> Nope, Ron, it isn't just you! I too prefer the email service.  I do no
>> thave to hunt up athread to see what I want to see...it all comes ala
>> firehose. My choice, I delete a lot of stuff that is irrelevant to me.
>> And if someone wants to see a picture, then I send them a picture or vice
>> versa.  No hidden ads to pop up, no advertising, just email.
>>
>> mayf

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Nov 20 09:35:31 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:35:31 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
 http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_______va.htm#Misc.%20Gears
In-Reply-To: <E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E155440216EF82@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
References: <4C4FF6CB39724DFF91FB30403252F195@ronpc1><4B05C3CC.10706@mayfco.com>
	<4B0617A5.3080501@cthompson.net>
	<76634C2623764B90A946936F5FB7E53D@DELL4600>
	<E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E155440216EF82@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
Message-ID: <4B06C553.2050106@mayfco.com>

Amen!
One of the things that I will ask Mark about is the transmission of 
photographs, however. Back in the day, hard drives were fairly small and 
so archieving email and such took a lot of the drive capability. 
However, with todays 1.5TB drives it seems like that should be a non 
issue any more. 

mayf

Teepen, Jere wrote:

>The best feature of this list is that I do not have to go to any website, etc.  I open my e-mail and there is a wonderful distraction from the normal (and usually annoying) work related e-mails.  This provides a nice incentive to check my e-mail more frequently, except when we go off on some really unrelated tangent.
>
>I am a member of C.A.T. and TE/AE.  Both have forums.  I think I have looked at both forums once or twice.  This is much easier.  I am for easy. 
>
>I like it.
>
>Jere
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Ralsten
>Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 8:59 PM
>To: chris at cthompson.net; drmayf at mayfco.com
>Cc: Carmods at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_______va.htm#Misc.%20Gears
>
>Up to date board software is quite simple to use, it remembers who you are 
>through cookies
>and highlights material for you that is new since your last visit. It does 
>not fill your
>email box with messages that will be in the way forever if not deleted. 
>However that being said
>my mention of discussion board was not intended to be the primary thrust of 
>my post.
>Sorry thats the way it came out.
>
>My point was to agree with the statement that this list for its benefits and 
>frailties can
>be made much better if people would not deviate into private responses so 
>that the majority
>of us never see the answer that solved the problem or the response that 
>indeed said "problem solved"
>I know the best responses I get are often private, great for me but bad for 
>other people
>that may need the same answer. I get a great deal from this list as well as 
>the Alpine and CAT
>discussion boards.
>
>Steve
>B9473720
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Chris Thompson" <chris at cthompson.net>
>To: <drmayf at mayfco.com>
>Cc: <Carmods at aol.com>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 8:14 PM
>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation 
>http://www.transmissioncenter.net/speedometer_calibration_______va.htm#Misc.%20Gears
>
>
>  
>
>>There are fire-hoses and there are garden-hoses.  The Tiger list is a 
>>crimped garden hose compared to a lot of lists I watch.  The volume is not 
>>so high to be annoying to my delete finger when a topic uninteresting to 
>>me is underway.  But there have been some Tiger owners who have 
>>un$ubscribed due to the volume.  There are better technologies out there 
>>that offer more options, but we are at the mercy of volunteers here, after 
>>all.  Personally, I tithe to Bradakis every time he asks, as I am 
>>eternally grateful for the service he does provide....
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>drmayf wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Nope, Ron, it isn't just you! I too prefer the email service.  I do no 
>>>thave to hunt up athread to see what I want to see...it all comes ala 
>>>firehose. My choice, I delete a lot of stuff that is irrelevant to me. 
>>>And if someone wants to see a picture, then I send them a picture or vice 
>>>versa.  No hidden ads to pop up, no advertising, just email.
>>>
>>>mayf

From cmccann at lwpb.com  Fri Nov 20 09:40:06 2009
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:40:06 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
In-Reply-To: <4B06C553.2050106@mayfco.com>
References: <4C4FF6CB39724DFF91FB30403252F195@ronpc1><4B05C3CC.10706@mayfco.com>
	<4B0617A5.3080501@cthompson.net>
	<76634C2623764B90A946936F5FB7E53D@DELL4600>
	<E4CE827F20FD96468B9A6743B6E155440216EF82@ENT-MOCEXCMB05.us.ad.gannett.com>
	<4B06C553.2050106@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333BB31A8548@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

Well...my 2 cents since everyone else has...I'm thankful for the resource
regardless. I have ever single email that this list has generated since I
joined, and I can search content by keyword or subject with my email browser,
so using this list as research, or consulting the archives works actually
surprisingly well for me as-is. While I will say I like forums for
conversations and threads, I have the ability to take this research home, or
keep it with me if the net goes down, or if the forum would someday not be
available or whatever. So I don't mind this format and forums are less
practical for me to use as research data, so that is the minor drawback to the
forum to me...i like backing up my research into CD's and dvd's and binders,
and pdf's because I'm anal that way...it assures that the knowledge stays
within arm's reach and isn't at the mercy of the net, or someone else's
discipline...i hope that make sense..

.......BUT!!!!  I have to agree with a comment that was stated early on...in
my opinion....there is absolutely no substitute for pictures, that is a
tremendous need and the only major drawback to this format. Any solution that
involves being able to give and receive pictures as a group would be a huge
improvement, IMO...I know that I am a visual person, and I would learn about
the stuff you guys talk about 10 times better if it was all being discussed
over imagery. I do wish we had that ability in the group and not off-list
only.

But like I said, thankful for what I got...it helps a lot.

Cullen

From shutchin at netjets.com  Fri Nov 20 10:02:31 2009
From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:02:31 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
Message-ID: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D408965E46@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>

I much prefer the e-mail setup to the forum. 

If it were a bigger group I would say the forum might be better, since we would get so much more mail.

But, with the small group, this has been a much better experience than having log on and sort through the posts. 

Sure helps break up the day.  

Scott Hutchinson
Director of Operations
NetJets Large Aircraft

Office 860.292.1191
Mobile 843.290.2805

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From joefinetti at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 21 15:19:52 2009
From: joefinetti at hotmail.com (Joe Finetti)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:19:52 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Looking for seats
Message-ID: <SNT132-w27DD55958D9535A056DD21C2A00@phx.gbl>

I'm looking for a set (L&R) of seats for series III or IV, Mk1. Don't need
sliding adjust plates. I also have two L side seats for series V, MK1A, and
MKII. Upholstery is in o.k. condition, style similar to series V, MK1A, but
not original. Diaphragms are in decent shape. Pictures upon request. Thank
you. Joe 818-317-3181
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From joefinetti at hotmail.com  Sat Nov 21 15:26:27 2009
From: joefinetti at hotmail.com (Joe Finetti)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:26:27 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] seats
Message-ID: <SNT132-w19B7BE25AD2361B4E00DF0C2A00@phx.gbl>

I'm looking for a set (L&R) of seats for series III or IV, Mk1. Don't need
sliding adjust plates. I also have two L side seats for series V, MK1A, and
MKII. Upholstery is in o.k. condition, style similar to series V, MK1A, but
not original. Diaphragms are in decent shape. Pictures upon request. Thank
you. Joe 818-317-3181
_________________________________________________________________
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From MWood24020 at aol.com  Mon Nov 23 11:02:17 2009
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:02:17 EST
Subject: [Tigers] source for rubber for instrument bezels?
Message-ID: <c7f.42665484.383c2829@aol.com>

I believe there was a source mentioned on this list for the rubber  
gasket/o-rings for the Tiger instruments?
 
Anyone have the info?
 
TIA, 
Mike Wood

From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 23 11:45:46 2009
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:45:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] source for rubber for instrument bezels?
In-Reply-To: <c7f.42665484.383c2829@aol.com>
Message-ID: <709031.11144.qm@web53607.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

not sure what the prior "source" was but these guys might since they rebuild
them...

http://www.nisonger.com/


> I believe there was a source
> mentioned on this list for the rubber 
> gasket/o-rings for the Tiger instruments?
>
> Anyone have the info?

From stephen_grove at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 23 14:35:35 2009
From: stephen_grove at yahoo.com (steve grove)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:35:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] source for rubber for instrument bezels?
In-Reply-To: <709031.11144.qm@web53607.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <709031.11144.qm@web53607.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <837320.33286.qm@web53111.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I found a gentleman in England with reasonably priced gaskets. He also services clocks for a reasonable price.

alandavis880 at blueyounder.co.uk

Steve



________________________________
From: Peter Laurinaitis <laurin212 at yahoo.com>
To: tigers at autox.team.net; MWood24020 at aol.com
Sent: Mon, November 23, 2009 10:45:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] source for rubber for instrument bezels?

not sure what the prior "source" was but these guys might since they rebuild
them...

http://www.nisonger.com/


> I believe there was a source
> mentioned on this list for the rubber 
> gasket/o-rings for the Tiger instruments?
>
> Anyone have the info?
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 20:12:37 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:12:37 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] MKII tiger boot-trunk
Message-ID: <d86d088a0911231912x7a70ca12l2e9c51d360ee652a@mail.gmail.com>

I was wondering if someone could take some pictures of the MKII tiger boot
area (under the flase floor) i'd like to see how the fuel pump mounts and
where the fuel line runs.

On a stock MKI car it exits the centre of the cross over and goes under the
boot floor.. IIRC the MKII has the pump in the wheel well.. does the line
come back intot eh well then back out again.. ?

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Mon Nov 23 20:21:40 2009
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:21:40 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] source for rubber for instrument bezels?
Message-ID: <4B0B5144.3050600@roadrunner.com>

Well stocked hardware stores often have a selection of O-rings that can 
be used with your gauges.  Just take a gauge along and find one that 
fits.  However, if you insist, Nisonger also sells them.

Tod Brown
B382002384LRXFE

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Nov 23 21:38:07 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:38:07 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] source for rubber for instrument bezels?
In-Reply-To: <c7f.42665484.383c2829@aol.com>
Message-ID: <58F0DABDF27445BF910668715217CA17@ronpc1>

Here are a couple of emails on this subject.  I have not purchased from any
and have no further details.

Tod:

I've always had great luck with Apple Rubber (google them).  They seem to
have something in every minor and major diameter -- and Viton is always a
good "non-melting" choice.  They've also been petty good over the years as a

good source of samples.

Failing tha, Greene Rubber is also a good o-ring source.

Tony McNulty

I second the recommendation about Barry Robinson. I used his kit which came
with all of the O rings for both the small and large gauges.

Joe Parlanti
B382000026

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of MWood24020 at aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:02 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] source for rubber for instrument bezels?


I believe there was a source mentioned on this list for the rubber
gasket/o-rings for the Tiger instruments?

Anyone have the info?

TIA,
Mike Wood
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From sganz at pacbell.net  Mon Nov 23 23:02:56 2009
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:02:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] source for rubber for instrument bezels?
In-Reply-To: <4B0B5144.3050600@roadrunner.com>
References: <4B0B5144.3050600@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <814213.85691.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

McMaster Carr has every size and material of O-Ring, just had to get some ones
for a fuel injection systems, had them the next day. 

Sandy



----- Original
Message ----
From: Tod Brown <todbrown at roadrunner.com>
To:
tigers at autox.team.net; MWood24020 at aol.com
Sent: Mon, November 23, 2009 7:21:40
PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] source for rubber for instrument bezels?

Well
stocked hardware stores often have a selection of O-rings that can be used
with your gauges.  Just take a gauge along and find one that fits.  However,
if you insist, Nisonger also sells them.

Tod Brown
B382002384LRXFE
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From walmenke at bigpond.net.au  Tue Nov 24 03:48:46 2009
From: walmenke at bigpond.net.au (Wally Menke)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:48:46 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a0911181806i726d426ekcd879141289944f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DE8213A68AF94C809900E57B2DD6342C@fabbro>
	<d86d088a0911181806i726d426ekcd879141289944f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000e01ca6cf3$b318f350$194ad9f0$@net.au>

Hi Kim and all

I'm Back!

Had this problem as Michael mentioned, caused me a lot of head scratching.
Turned out that when I had my gearbox rebuilt (with wide ratio gears) the
speedo gear on the mainshaft in the gearbox was the incorrect one. The Tiger
one is specific and blue in colour which I and the rebuilder did not know
until after, he used the best one of the 2 he had. I found a right angle
reverse direction drive unit that fitted perfectly on the back of the speedo
and the speedo cable.

It turned out after a lot of searching this unit was made here in Australia
by Flexdrive. (Link below scrawl down the page). If you need one let me know
I have the bag it came in stored in a safe place with the part number on it.
This usually means it will take me a day to find it 8-). From memory the
thread is 5/8"-18. Cost was about USD100.

http://www.fdrive.com.au/products/05/drive.php

Wally Menke


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of michael king
Sent: Thursday, 19 November 2009 1:07 PM
To: Fabbro
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speedo Rotation

Some drive gears go the other way from different applications.. a friend had
this on his car.. there is an adaptor that can reverse the roatation so the
cable goes the right way. Its likely you have rebuilt your trans and used
another models parts.. the adaptor was quite reasonably priced.. Wally Menke
from the list will know where to get it.. he is away at the moment,. but
will proabbly be able to answer next week.

2009/11/19 Fabbro <fabbro at shaw.ca>

> Hi All
>
>  The Tiger Speedos that I have the input rotation looking from the back
> should be counter clock wise for it to operate properly. I confirmed
> this by making an adapter from a small rat tail file and putting it in a
> drill and spinning it in reverse. My rebuilt top loader with a new drive
> cable hooked to it operates in the opposite direction. What is the
> problem with my set up?  Thanks in advance.
>
> Kim
 

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From Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com  Tue Nov 24 13:24:22 2009
From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com (Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:24:22 -0500
Subject: [Tigers]  MKII tiger boot-trunk
Message-ID: <OF3C2907F9.A43812F4-ON85257678.006F4EC9-85257678.00701AC9@sybase.com>

Here's a couple shots I took of a nice MKII a while back that should help.

>I was wondering if someone could take some pictures of the MKII tiger 
boot
>area (under the flase floor) i'd like to see how the fuel pump mounts and
>where the fuel line runs.

Here's a shot of the pump in the trunk and a shot under the car where the 
lines exit.

>On a stock MKI car it exits the centre of the cross over and goes under 
the
>boot floor.. IIRC the MKII has the pump in the wheel well.. does the line
>come back intot eh well then back out again.. ?

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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Nov 24 15:21:48 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:21:48 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] MKII boot pics
Message-ID: <d86d088a0911241421j89d992co9441502c0d1a4566@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to all who sent pictures of the boot (trunk) of the MKII.. the pump
and fuel line locations are as i thought. Also i note the way they have the
wires is rather dangerous.. but hey.. thats rootes for you.

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From jaars at emailmv.com  Tue Nov 24 18:23:08 2009
From: jaars at emailmv.com (Robert Jaarsma)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 20:23:08 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] source for rubber for instrument bezels
In-Reply-To: <mailman.17.1259089202.7158.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <DBB7A4A100014E9BA8C6291AA0EE20B4@userqlmt4f4s6s>

MSC Industrial Supply Co. has many O-Rings. Better yet you can buy round
and square (like originally used on our Sunbeams) O-Ring cord stock by
the foot. Cuts easy with a razor blade, with the exception of silicone,
can be bonded with super glue. You can make any size O-Ring you need!
That worked for me. 
Mscdirect.com or 800.645.7270 7am-11pm, sat 9am-4pm EST. Same day
shipping.
Robert 

From hokey at oasisol.com  Tue Nov 24 22:29:21 2009
From: hokey at oasisol.com (Mike Hokanson)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:29:21 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] New Kumho V710 Tires
Message-ID: <3F9049C2143D4B319FBC168530271A56@iggy>

I have a new set of four (4) Kumho V710 race tires available (size is
215-50-13).  I don't use any 13" stuff anymore.  If interested, contact me
thru e-mail.  Located near Reno, Nevada.

From mai65tai at sonic.net  Tue Nov 24 23:16:21 2009
From: mai65tai at sonic.net (John Stithem)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:16:21 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] TU XXXII Information
Message-ID: <000001ca6d96$cf04f110$6d0ed330$@net>

We have had lots of inquiries about when and where the west coast TU XXXII
will be held.

Here you go:

 

For all the West Coasters out there (and anyone else wanting to take a drive
across county).

 

Sponsored by: STOA (Sunbeam Tiger Owners Association)

When: Thursday June 17, 2010 thru Sunday June 20, 2010

Where: Santa Rosa, CA. (approximately 1 hour north of San Francisco in the
heart of the beautiful Sonoma County wine county).

Chairperson: Me---John Stithem and Kelley Keogh---My Wife

 

We will be sending out information about sign up, hotel accommodations and
event line up soon.

 

If you have any questions email me at  mai65tai at sonic.net

If you would like to volunteer to help out with any of the many parts of TU
XXXII email me (I am putting together lists right now and there are still a
few spots open for volunteers).

If you have any ideas about guest speakers email me.

 

John

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 25 12:01:32 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:01:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Traveling and having TROUBLES
Message-ID: <635579.45062.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Left southern IL. around noon Tues. Got to Lousiville and was in slow traffic
when the tranny seemed like something was metal to metal- rush hour to boot-
some history. I have a Dale A. 5 speed AMC conversion. Im not sure if it was
the clutch not engaging and the gears not being completely in gear. I was
lucky in that a Louisville traffic help type purpose pulled in behind me- we
jacked the car up and I went thru the gears- it tried to turn the left wheel
on the ground a couple times- I replaced the bearings etc prior to SNI and
left a thick shim out on drivers side- the kid seeme to think the noise he
hear- which wasnt theorginal was in the rearend. He gave me directions to a
maybe shop which was closed and I decided to head on to WVa. I ha it happen a
few more times when gasing up. Im guesing the slave might need rebuilt and I
just need to double or triple clutch it. I need to know IF anyone who has the
AMC knows if I can add lube- as Im thinking that
 might be part of my prolem- the tranny is rolled and if memory serves I
should have cut a hole thru the tunnel to have access to the lube hole- I have
an appointment Fri. a.m. at a gas station my broNlaw uses but I know they
always rip him off- I just need the rack and him to go work on something else.
Was also going to drain the rearend to see if the kid was right. ANY ideas or
info will be appreciated- family waiting on me so I have to end this- will be
back on line later to answer questins. Also Im certain dale had me use a
sythentic lube- IF anyone knows the weight- Dales number might also be needed
before I try driving back to Il.
Thanks in advance.
HTD to everyone except the turkeys- to late for them.
TonytheTiger- depressed presently- no troubles from Il to SUNI and home. 

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Wed Nov 25 12:42:04 2009
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:42:04 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Traveling and having TROUBLES
In-Reply-To: <635579.45062.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <635579.45062.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905665@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

Hi Tony,
If your transmission core was a World Class type (needle bearings on the
mainshaft, etc.) then you should use ATF in the transmission. If not,
then 75W-90 or 80W-90 gear oil will be the stuff to use.

If you're getting differential noise then it will only come when you
have the car in gear, while transmission issues may make noises even
when it's in neutral. Bad rear wheel bearings sound like marbles in a
can. If you've trashed the center section because of the lack of that
spacer then it might be OK unless you try to turn a corner - that would
be a worse problem at low speed and tight turns.
Draining the diff will tell the story there, although the outside
bearings can be bad and still not contribute any substantial metal to
the diff fluid.

Hope this helps,

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody
> Sent: November 25, 2009 12:02 PM
> To: Beamclub
> Subject: [Tigers] Traveling and having TROUBLES
>
> Left southern IL. around noon Tues. Got to Lousiville and was
> in slow traffic when the tranny seemed like something was
> metal to metal- rush hour to boot- some history. I have a
> Dale A. 5 speed AMC conversion. Im not sure if it was the
> clutch not engaging and the gears not being completely in
<snip>

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Wed Nov 25 13:04:10 2009
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:04:10 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Traveling and having TROUBLES
References: <635579.45062.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2E64BA5175FC4ADFB630BA83A5F185B3@student2>

Tony,
  I can't comment on the tranny not having that alteration.  However,
regarding the rear end the proper shims are necessary. If you have left
shims out (without purpose - as in, to correctly set the end play)  then you
likely have a constant load on the bearings. A long drive that generates
constant heat would seem to make the matter worse.

 The shims are used to set the free play in the axles from .006-.008 of end
play ( I believe).  This is measured by pushing inward on the hub, then
zeroing a dial indicator.  You then proceed to have some else on the other
side push on the opposing hub and read the movement.

Anyway, that is the story on the rear end (since you mentioned it).
Hopefully others with the conversion can assist you regarding the
transmission.  I hope you can still reach your destinations and enjoy
Thanksgiving.
Tom

From spook01 at comcast.net  Wed Nov 25 13:25:42 2009
From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 14:25:42 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] source for rubber for instrument bezels?
References: <4B0B5144.3050600@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <12659F4AEA554030865DB9F05ED0DD51@yourpd3mh0abgs>

if you want the square section ones, they appear regularly on ebay for 
little.
Best,
Ray


"Tolerance is the last virtue of a dying society".
-Aristotle
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tod Brown" <todbrown at roadrunner.com>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>; <MWood24020 at aol.com>
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] source for rubber for instrument bezels?


> Well stocked hardware stores often have a selection of O-rings that can be 
> used with your gauges.  Just take a gauge along and find one that fits. 
> However, if you insist, Nisonger also sells them.
>
> Tod Brown
> B382002384LRXFE
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From fastsage at cox.net  Wed Nov 25 13:56:19 2009
From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:56:19 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Traveling and having TROUBLES
In-Reply-To: <635579.45062.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <635579.45062.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B0D99F3.4000109@cox.net>

Tony:
Dale's number is 909 799-2099.

Good luck with the trans.

Steve Sage



> Dales number might also be needed
> before I try driving back to Il.
> Thanks in advance.
> HTD to everyone except the turkeys- to late for them.
> TonytheTiger- depressed presently- no troubles from Il to SUNI and home. 
>   





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From tsmit at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 25 21:40:31 2009
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:40:31 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] New docs on Tigers United
Message-ID: <4B0E06BF.9010303@shaw.ca>

Some light reading while you're in a turkey daze!

Bill Rogers has amassed a great collection of original dealer service 
information, and has scanned, restored, OCR'ed and PDF'ed the parts 
reference documents for the Alpine components used on the Tiger, as well 
as the most up to date supplement for the Tiger itself. The resulting 
files are sometimes big, but the quality is nothing short of amazing.

You can start at http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/ , or go directly 
to the Alpine list at
http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/factory_parts_list/Alpine/alpine_part_list.asp
or the Tiger supplement here:
http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/factory_parts_list/Tiger/tiger_part_list.asp

Buy Bill a beverage when you see him - maybe he'll send more stuff!

Cheers all,
Theo

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Wed Nov 25 23:06:08 2009
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:06:08 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] New docs on Tigers United
References: <4B0E06BF.9010303@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <ECF26763829C45FB9D55C21CFDC4C184@student2>

Thank you Bill for your labors and sharing. It is quite a collection.
And thank you Theo who I assume did the work to create these web pages.
And thank you Steve for hosting it at the TU site.

Happy Thanksgiving to all.
Tom

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Thu Nov 26 15:27:16 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:27:16 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] New docs on Tigers United
In-Reply-To: <4B0E06BF.9010303@shaw.ca>
References: <4B0E06BF.9010303@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <4B0F00C4.9020003@SoCal.rr.com>

Theo and Bill Rogers,

Thanks for your work in publishing the Sunbeam Alpine Parts List on

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/factory_parts_list/Alpine/alpine_part_list.asp

When the Tiger Parts List was published it only covered Tiger Unique 
parts, and excluded any Alpine Parts.  The were meant to sit 
side-by-side at the dealers  parts department counter.  Now with BOTH of 
them available to us - the complete mystery is revealed, as detailed in 
Bill Rogers "Foreword".

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/factory_parts_list/Tiger/tiger_part_list.asp

A lot of inspiration and perspiration by Theo and Bill making these 
available.

Voluntary contributions will make this web site a usable  for a great m 
any enthusiasts.

Steve
<http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/factory_parts_list/Tiger/tiger_part_list.asp> 


___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



Theo Smit wrote:
> /Some light reading while you're in a turkey daze!
>
> Bill Rogers has amassed a great collection of original dealer service 
> information, and has scanned, restored, OCR'ed and PDF'ed the parts 
> reference documents for the Alpine, whose components components used 
> on the Tiger, as well as the most up to date supplement for the Tiger 
> itself. The resulting files are sometimes big, but the quality is 
> nothing short of amazing.
>
> You can start at http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/ , or go 
> directly to the Alpine list at
> http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/factory_parts_list/Alpine/alpine_part_list.asp 
>
> or the Tiger supplement here:
> http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/factory_parts_list/Tiger/tiger_part_list.asp 
>
>
> Buy Bill a beverage when you see him - maybe he'll send more stuff!
>
> Cheers all,
> Theo
> _______________________________________________ /

From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 27 08:57:23 2009
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:57:23 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Alert: Your Car Appraised by Keith Martin on TV for
	FREE!
Message-ID: <7E3B148FCA574E0993CA1E5D72CF91F1@PETERHOME>

If you're near LA and want your Tiger on an episode of "What's My Car Worth"
for Discovery HD Theater...

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From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Fri Nov 27 12:02:05 2009
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:02:05 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Pump Gasket
Message-ID: <cf1.65823ba4.38417c2d@aol.com>

Here's a real deal for the Tiger owner.
_http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Felpro-FUEL-PUMP-GASKET-sunbeam-TIGER-64-67-
66-65-1966_W0QQitemZ230395125465QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Ac
cessories?hash=item35a49e9ed9_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Felpro-FUEL-PUMP-GASKET-sunbeam-TIGER-64-67-66-65-1966_W0QQitemZ230395125465QQcmdZViewIte
mQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item35a49e9ed9) 
Only $2.99 and $9.92 shipping. What a deal. Where can I fit this on my  
fuel pump???????????????
 
 
B382002560

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Fri Nov 27 12:37:29 2009
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:37:29 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Pump Gasket
In-Reply-To: <cf1.65823ba4.38417c2d@aol.com>
References: <cf1.65823ba4.38417c2d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b0911271137l35e1e770tcbdd8d9713629fe@mail.gmail.com>

:)  i suppose it might be useful to go under the blanking plate....
ten bucks shipping though!

you can store it with the 'sunbeam tiger lambda sensor' that appears on ebay
from time to time.

On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 7:02 PM, <AAAGLASSS at aol.com> wrote:

> Here's a real deal for the Tiger owner.
> _
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Felpro-FUEL-PUMP-GASKET-sunbeam-TIGER-64-67-
>
> 66-65-1966_W0QQitemZ230395125465QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Ac
> cessories?hash=item35a49e9ed9_<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Felpro-FUEL-PUMP-GASKET-sunbeam-TIGER-64-67-%0A66-65-1966_W0QQitemZ230395125465QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Ac%0Acessories?hash=item35a49e9ed9_>
> (
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Felpro-FUEL-PUMP-GASKET-sunbeam-TIGER-64-67-66-65-1966_W0QQitemZ230395125465QQcmdZViewIte
> mQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item35a49e9ed9<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Felpro-FUEL-PUMP-GASKET-sunbeam-TIGER-64-67-66-65-1966_W0QQitemZ230395125465QQcmdZViewIte%0AmQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item35a49e9ed9>
> )
> Only $2.99 and $9.92 shipping. What a deal. Where can I fit this on my
> fuel pump???????????????
>
>
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From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Fri Nov 27 15:16:24 2009
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo))
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:16:24 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Pump Gasket
In-Reply-To: <cf1.65823ba4.38417c2d@aol.com>
References: <cf1.65823ba4.38417c2d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <56906A4AB88143BA9657874B7EA02753@jerry>

Well, you see it goes BETWEEN the engine and the pump, somewhere. ;)

Jerry Christopherson
9473187 






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Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 1:02 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Pump Gasket

Here's a real deal for the Tiger owner.
_http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Felpro-FUEL-PUMP-GASKET-sunbeam-TIGER-64-67-
66-65-1966_W0QQitemZ230395125465QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Ac
cessories?hash=item35a49e9ed9_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Felpro-FUEL-PUMP-GASKET-sunbeam-TIGER-64-67-
66-65-1966_W0QQitemZ230395125465QQcmdZViewIte
mQQptZMotors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item35a49e9ed9) 
Only $2.99 and $9.92 shipping. What a deal. Where can I fit this on my  
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From rande at thecia.net  Sat Nov 28 11:31:30 2009
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 13:31:30 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pumps
Message-ID: <4b116c82.4d7b.0@thecia.net>

What are folks using for a replacement fuel pumps? I have a 1A and 289/F4B setup,
and the pump in it is a Hardi (probably Beck-Arnley sourced) in the stock location.

From stubrennan at comcast.net  Sat Nov 28 12:56:40 2009
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:56:40 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pumps
In-Reply-To: <4b116c82.4d7b.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <000c01ca7064$e92ecf40$6601a8c0@Brennan>

I tried a "big bucks exact duplicate replacement" from a well known
vendor that supposedly had an improved points setup, and it faithfully
reproduced the performance of the original, including bringing the Tiger
to a halt in the middle of an intersection.  For the last decade, at
least, I've used one of those little square Facet pumps.  The same type
Tiger Tom sold (IIRC), and were seen in blister packs hangiing on the
wall at the parts store labeled "Purilator".  Works fine so far, and it
was at least a decade old when I put it on.

Stu

From jim at island.net  Sat Nov 28 16:29:29 2009
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:29:29 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Soft top install
In-Reply-To: <000c01ca7064$e92ecf40$6601a8c0@Brennan>
References: <4b116c82.4d7b.0@thecia.net>
	<000c01ca7064$e92ecf40$6601a8c0@Brennan>
Message-ID: <0DB317E086224617B69565E4CD09F366@JIMPC>

I'm going to buy and install a new soft top for the MK1A  at some point this
winter. Firstly, after looking at the obvious suppliers, I'm looking for
recommendations as to which top is 'better' and why ...and maybe where to
get it.
 Also, having never installed one, are there any 'tricks' that I need to
know about. I looked on Tigersunited and didn't see anything ... haven't
checked the shop notes yet...

Jim
B382000446

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Sat Nov 28 17:17:23 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:17:23 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Soft top install
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References: <4b116c82.4d7b.0@thecia.net>
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Jim,

Lot's of info on Tiger top installation (both hard and soft ).  Always 
use "*SEARCH*" feature on the top banner of all pages.

Here is but one from John Crawley.

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/JCrawleyRest/rt-JCrawleyRest19.asp

Steve

I am lucky that my Mk I original is barely used, and the hard top does so well.

Steve
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Jim wrote:
> I'm going to buy and install a new soft top for the MK1A  at some point this
> winter. Firstly, after looking at the obvious suppliers, I'm looking for
> recommendations as to which top is 'better' and why ...and maybe where to
> get it.
>  Also, having never installed one, are there any 'tricks' that I need to
> know about. I looked on Tigersunited and didn't see anything ... haven't
> checked the shop notes yet...
>
> Jim
> B382000446

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Sat Nov 28 17:32:13 2009
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:32:13 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pumps
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I use the Holley red mounted in spare tire well on mini cooper rubber
exhaust isolators.  Still loud as hell but you don't notice it once
off idle speed.

Cheap and well made with plenty of spares available. No issues so far.
 Stock pump was unable to provide enough flow for my engine on wide
open throttle after about 10 seconds and less than half a tank of
fuel.


On 11/28/09, rande <rande at thecia.net> wrote:
> What are folks using for a replacement fuel pumps? I have a 1A and 289/F4B
> setup,
> and the pump in it is a Hardi (probably Beck-Arnley sourced) in the stock
> location.
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Sat Nov 28 21:17:43 2009
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 04:17:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pumps
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My experience duplicates Stu's exactly.  Those little pumps work
great.  I quickly installed mine with rubber hose pushed right on
the stock lines fifteen years ago and worked flawlessly until the
clutch died anyway...
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Brennan 
To: rande at thecia.net, tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:56:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel pumps

I tried a "big bucks exact duplicate replacement" from a well known
vendor that supposedly had an improved points setup, and it faithfully
reproduced the performance of the original, including bringing the Tiger
to a halt in the middle of an intersection.  For the last decade, at
least, I've used one of those little square Facet pumps.  The same type
Tiger Tom sold (IIRC), and were seen in blister packs hangiing on the
wall at the parts store labeled "Purilator".  Works fine so far, and it
was at least a decade old when I put it on.

Stu

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Sun Nov 29 14:20:47 2009
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:20:47 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Dale A LAT 79 Hood fitting
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Hello all,

I have started a thread on the CAT forum about the adventures I am going to
have fitting the LAT 79 hood on my car.  This is the link -
http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?t=182

I hope that it will be informative enough to make into a tech article.  Time
will tell.

Duke
B382002037

From hallmotors at cox.net  Sun Nov 29 14:21:02 2009
From: hallmotors at cox.net (Hall Motors)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:21:02 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pumps
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I replaced my unreliable SU with a Fed Mogul (Carter) "turbine" style pump
that I've previously used on other cars.  Easy installation as it comes with
a mounting band that fits nicely where the stock band for the SU pump goes.
This pump is a cylinder ~2" in diameter and ~5" long.  Car runs great and
the pump is extremely quite (more so even than the SU).  Part number is
P60504 (2-4 # pressure), but there's also other part numbers for different
pressures (my car is sporting its original 260 and 2Bbl carb).

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of rande
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 12:32 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pumps

What are folks using for a replacement fuel pumps? I have a 1A and 289/F4B
setup,
and the pump in it is a Hardi (probably Beck-Arnley sourced) in the stock
location.
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From mark.rense at ge.com  Mon Nov 30 12:13:19 2009
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd))
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:13:19 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pumps
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On my stock Tiger I use the new version of the SU pump, the one with
transistors. I bought it from Moss, it's the same pump used on one of
the Big Healeys (BT7 maybe?), just don't remember off-hand. Been ticking
away just fine for the last five years without a hitch.

For the not-so-stock Tiger I use the Holley Redhead. I mounted it in the
same area as the stock MK1 location but fabricated an L-shaped heat
shield so that I could run the pump vertically with the inlet/outlet at
the bottom. This position keeps the pump primed and the heat shield
deflects the heat from the muffler. I installed a filter before the pump
and have one after as well.

I also use a fuel pressure regulator up by the carb as the Holley
generates a little more pressure than the carb likes. The SU does not
have the pressure problem, but may starve your engine when you run a
bigger carb than stock.

Bugz

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
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On Behalf Of rande
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 12:32 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pumps

What are folks using for a replacement fuel pumps? I have a 1A and
289/F4B setup, and the pump in it is a Hardi (probably Beck-Arnley
sourced) in the stock location.

From BKSchonb at usi.edu  Mon Nov 30 15:16:31 2009
From: BKSchonb at usi.edu (Schonberger, Barry K)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:16:31 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] WTB: Tiger rear housing
Message-ID: <E1BCBAA133BF824F99E9BC9B3CC610B51EA50663@ExchMail.usi.edu>

I have a person looking for a stock Tiger rear housing. If you know of one
please advise.

Barry Schonberger
Teamtiger21 at aol.com

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Mon Nov 30 15:54:55 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:54:55 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pumps
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Stu, and Gary,

Although the original SU pump has a few eroding / arcing points issues, 
the mechanical points can be best fixed by replacing the switch inside 
the housing.  I have owned these pumps for over 50 years in my MG-TD, 
Jaguar XK120 and others.  I was warned about the pump points, and the 
users had a number of solutions (some more effective than others.)

When stopped dead in the fast lane of the 405, the first solution is to 
throw open the bonnet, remove your bumper shoot, and give the pump a 
good thwack.
Difficult if it starts raining.

The Jaguar mounted the pump under the passenger floor, like the Early 
Tiger, under the rear "parcel shelf" panel.  Difficult if the hood (soft 
top) is up because it is raining.

The easiest cure is to replace the mechanical points set with a solid 
state device. Only the points must be changed.  At one point Theo Smit 
was selling the points replacement kit he designed and made.  No better 
referral can be had be had.

No, it doesn't rain here much.  Which makes every rain-related issue few 
and far between, but unexpected.

Steve

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garywinblad at comcast.net wrote:
> My experience duplicates Stu's exactly.  Those little pumps work
> great.  I quickly installed mine with rubber hose pushed right on
> the stock lines fifteen years ago and worked flawlessly until the
> clutch died anyway...
> Gary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stu Brennan 
> To: rande at thecia.net, tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:56:40 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel pumps
>
> I tried a "big bucks exact duplicate replacement" from a well known
> vendor that supposedly had an improved points setup, and it faithfully
> reproduced the performance of the original, including bringing the Tiger
> to a halt in the middle of an intersection.  For the last decade, at
> least, I've used one of those little square Facet pumps.  The same type
> Tiger Tom sold (IIRC), and were seen in blister packs hangiing on the
> wall at the parts store labeled "Purilator".  Works fine so far, and it
> was at least a decade old when I put it on.
>
> Stu

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Nov 30 16:05:49 2009
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:05:49 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] fuel pumps
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Thanks for the referral, but I've never designed or made a points
replacement kit... My Tiger hasn't had an SU pump since before I owned
it.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Laifman [mailto:SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com]
> Sent: November 30, 2009 3:55 PM
> To: garywinblad at comcast.net; tigers at autox.team.net; Brennan, Stu
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel pumps
>
<snip>
> The easiest cure is to replace the mechanical points set with
> a solid state device. Only the points must be changed.  At
> one point Theo Smit was selling the points replacement kit he
> designed and made.  No better referral can be had be had.
> <snip>

From MWood24020 at aol.com  Mon Nov 30 22:18:14 2009
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:18:14 EST
Subject: [Tigers] source for rubber for instrument bezels
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Thanks to all who took time to respond to my request. 
 
Mike Wood