From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Wed Jul 1 10:06:34 2009 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo)) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 11:06:34 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Intake manifold....carb boil. In-Reply-To: <000301c9f905$ec823a00$c586ae00$@rr.com> References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019053FC@dsimail.ad.garmin.com><4D0A6501040C41F98A09343E0F987C51@student2> <000301c9f905$ec823a00$c586ae00$@rr.com> Message-ID: <0A1ED221185C451082729BC4B9D2FFF5@jerry> Duke, When I installed my F4B I closed off the exhaust pass over that runs under the carb area. This helps in keeping the carb a little cooler. The propose of this passway is to help vaporize the air/fuel mix, but as everyone knows heat isn't something we lack in Tigers. It MAY take a little longer to come up to temp, but that's hardly a problem in Tigers. Some gasket kits include these little block offs, I made two of them from a piece of SS, just make sure that the piece you make is THINNER than the intake gasket and fits inside of the hole in the gasket. Another plus is no burn area on each side of manifold just below the carb. Perhaps this will help. Jerry Christopherson (Who really hated to miss SUNI, SS checks only go just so far). 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Samouce's Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:07 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Intake manifold....carb boil. I was hoping to find answers to this issue at SUNI. I did not. I also checked the archives. I have a chronic problem with fuel boiling in the bowels and flooding my engine. This happens when I stop the car once it is up to temp. I saw other Tigers with the same issues at SUNI. My current equipment - 260 bored 030 over F4B manifold Holley four barrel carb (custom) OEM Hood Slightly modified fuel delivery. (line runs up the tranny tunnel to back of carb and has heat shield sock) The car runs cool and does not go above 200 at idle or on the freeway. What I am thinking about doing - Edelbrock Performer (low rise) manifold. The F4B leaves no room for any spacer. 1/2 wood carb spacer Recirculation fuel delivery system LAT 79 hood 13" Electric pusher fan and will run on timer for 5 minutes after engine is shut down (need to find a timer) and/or when the coolant temp is over 210. What are your thoughts? I am really looking for info on what the performance of the Performer manifold is compared to the F4B. Duke B382002037 Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From bobjeanbeams at bright.net Wed Jul 1 13:08:48 2009 From: bobjeanbeams at bright.net (bob webb) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:08:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] towing Message-ID: <76A34B562B654166B79ED4FD6409A619@yourze8cxvr8tt> we tow our alpines in one of two trailers. we have an 18' closed trailer and also an 18' open trailer .with the cars, both trailers and cars weigh in at 4200 lbs. we tow with a GMC ENVOY. this is our second envoy and they can tow 6500 lbs without any additional towing equipment . i do use a weight distributing hitch with both trailers . the only thing i changed on my current 08 model was to add the 3.73 gear instead of the 3.42 to the rearend . with the 285 hp ,4.2 litre inline six, i never have a problem. the wife towed the closed trailer to suni using the envoy and averaged 15 mpg . she was following me and we cruised at 75 mph most of the time . the envoy never slows on hills or mountains . we travel I 68 from morgantown w.va to maryland quite a bit and i top those mountains at 70 to 75 mph with a trailer and car . the trailblazer is the same vehicle . From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Wed Jul 1 13:44:16 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:44:16 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] distributor In-Reply-To: <39a841b0906301459x41a38b52y40de20ac171d90b9@mail.gmail.com> References: <39a841b0906301459x41a38b52y40de20ac171d90b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4BBC90.2000704@SoCal.rr.com> Owain, If you do not get a satisfactory answer, I will take a photo of mine with the Pertronix system, with custom advance curve springs. Recommended for most every use, and it looks stock outside, with custom curve inside. Need an old geezer with a "Distributor Machine" to do it right. I don't see any weights on this one. Here is the Rootes Manual exploded view: http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmB73.asp and OEM Breaker Plate: http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmB74.asp Etc. LOTS of stuff with search for "distributor" ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Owain Lloyd wrote: > i wonder if anyone knows what the internals of this distributor are? > > it has a regular ford stamped lower body and this non standard rotor shaft. > there is a blue plastic 'large' style upper body and a red HEI cap. none of > the parts are marked. i'd like to get a new rotor for it but i'm not sure > what to buy to fit that shaft. > > http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/dizzy/IMG_0858.jpg > http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/dizzy/IMG_0859.jpg > > thanks, > > - owain. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 20:33:30 2009 From: kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com (kevin beck) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 22:33:30 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Windshield trim Message-ID: <22507f140907011933te7c8327kb912fa66a8c57b88@mail.gmail.com> You guys are probably wondering what I'm doing over here, gas tanks, traction bars, now windshield. Anyways my car has been apart way to long. I put a new windshield gasket/seal on, but when I put the trim pieces on the bottom trim piece is to short AM I putting the trim on wrong? Thanks From robin02 at mindspring.com Wed Jul 1 20:49:27 2009 From: robin02 at mindspring.com (Robin Young) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 22:49:27 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Windshield trim In-Reply-To: <22507f140907011933te7c8327kb912fa66a8c57b88@mail.gmail.com> References: <22507f140907011933te7c8327kb912fa66a8c57b88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <40D5BA59D9394D6FB35FCF75F960C3F1@RobinLaptop> Kevin, I pulled a string along the high part of the lower trim piece and measured it. The piece is 51 1/2 inches long. If yours is similar, all I can see that would cause it to be short is for the gasket not to be seated on the frame properly. Hope this helps. Robin -----Original Message----- I put a new windshield gasket/seal on, but when I put the trim pieces on the bottom trim piece is to short AM I putting the trim on wrong? Thanks From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Thu Jul 2 07:51:11 2009 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:51:11 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] SUNI In-Reply-To: <089C114009C2427D87B1E14D21E29EC5@your4dacd0ea75> References: <089C114009C2427D87B1E14D21E29EC5@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: Buck, Forum? What Forum? I didn't know CAT had a forum? I don't recall hearing about this before your posting. It looks to be pretty new. Overheating... I found the comment of Tigers "puking" on the way to Mount Rushmore interesting since a number of the cars I looked at in the Concours Show relied only on electric fans for cooling and no mechanical fan or shroud or anything. I must be going for overkill, I last night I installed an electric fan in addition to my Volvo fan and I have a Fairmont water pump pulley waiting in the wings just in case my other mods don't cool the beast. Parts Theft... Unfortunately as these cars get more valuable then there is more temptation for unsavory characters. Hopefully what goes around...come around for that individual. And it happens in the Corvette world all the time. My dad recently asked to use my pop rivet gun and some rivets. Evidently Corvettes from 1953 to 1960 used only philips screws to secure their VIN plates down and there has been a rash of VINs wandering off from their vehicles. He also told me things like gas caps, radiator caps, shifter knobs, radio knobs...basically anything of value that can be quickly removed and pocketed...now seem to be going MIA at shows. I imagine someday people with stock Tiger air cleaners will put them in safety deposit boxes and not on their Tigers out of fear of five finger discounts. I think of that when I look at the stock tool kit I put together for my car since it could easily grow legs and walk off. Paul > From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:09:38 -0700 > Subject: [Tigers] SUNI > > Hi Guys, > > I'm in the process of posting some of my SUNI pictures on the CAT Forum site. > Here're some links to the Pictures that are currently available: > > Going to SUNI http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?t=22 > > SUNI Concours Pt I http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?t=24 > SUNI Concours Pt II http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?t=26 > SUNI Concours Pt III http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?t=27 > > SUNI @ Mt. Rushmore http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?t=28 > > Coming Home from SUNI http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?t=20 > > I'll be away from the computer for a few days but will try to get the Badlands > Tour, some Autocross action and (for Duke) some of the Chuck Wagon Dinner > Party up by this coming weekend. > > Buck _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC thats right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Jul 2 09:16:42 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:16:42 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] SUNI In-Reply-To: References: <089C114009C2427D87B1E14D21E29EC5@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905428@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> As one of the electric-fan-only group (and also part of the the puking-on-Mt-Rushmore group) I'm considering various alternatives and further steps to improve the cooling. The reason I went with no mechanical fan was spurred by a number of factors: 1. The engine fan contributes quite a bit to the overall noise level as well as sapping power. 2. Our local climate makes it a little easier to run without a mechanical fan. Yesterday morning there was frost on the ground at 6 AM. 3. My aim is to build the car as a streetable autocross and track day machine, not necessarily to sit in traffic jams. 4. Plumbing the header tank to the right side radiator tank leaves me with a hose running across the bottom of the radiator near the rack, and that might interfere with a mechanical fan. Now I have to decide if having the ability to sit in an interminable lineup after climbing up a mountainside in 90 degree heat trumps my previous justifications. This would also be helpful on track days, because there is a lot of waiting involved there and more often than not it's HOT on the asphalt. At Suni I replaced my old 13 pound rad cap with a new 16 pound cap and didn't have any more leakage issues after that. Part of my problem may simply have been that the old cap was no longer sealing properly. The added pressure is a liability to the heater core, though, and I may need to shim the heater core tanks against the walls of the heater core box to make sure I don't end up with a rupture there. Stewart makes a replacement high-flow water pump that should fit the Tiger - I might end up installing one of these to make sure there is enough water movement. Dale A, Lynn Wall, and (I think) the Vanderpools are running two-pass aluminum radiators. I converted my rad from three pass to single pass last winter. The Stewart tech tips say that minimum pressure loss (and high flow rates) are part of the answer because you want to keep the water flow turbulent and to make sure the water isn't in the engine long enough to get local boiling. I suppose it's possible that my four-core rad has too much flow capability and I'd be better off with a three core... ------------- About the only thing we can do (now) is to make sure that cars and parts on display, whether at a concours, autocross, or parts table, are not left unattended in such a way that anyone thinks they can get away with pocketing parts... Within our community there is enough integrity and appreciation for others' efforts that we shouldn't have to worry, but there are always others that know just enough to pick out special items, without having the backbone to obtain them by legitimate means. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul R. Breuhan > Sent: July 2, 2009 7:51 AM > To: bucktrippel at verizon.net; Tigers Den > Subject: Re: [Tigers] SUNI > Overheating... > > I found the comment of Tigers "puking" on the way to Mount > Rushmore interesting since a number of the cars I looked at > in the Concours Show relied only on electric fans for cooling > and no mechanical fan or shroud or anything. > > > > I imagine someday people with stock Tiger air cleaners will > put them in safety deposit boxes and not on their Tigers out > of fear of five finger discounts. I think of that when I look > at the stock tool kit I put together for my car since it > could easily grow legs and walk off. > > > > Paul From atwittsend at verizon.net Thu Jul 2 11:09:03 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:09:03 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] SUNI (overheating) References: <089C114009C2427D87B1E14D21E29EC5@your4dacd0ea75> <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905428@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <5127C097B01C4EBD9F2C2C6BD9107363@student2> >>> Stewart makes a replacement high-flow water pump that should fit the >>> Tiger - I might end up installing one of these to make sure there is >>> enough water movement.<<< I remember a similar discussion on the list years ago. The basic premise was, "while you are moving the heat away from the engine faster you were also moving it faster through the radiator. Thus, with the high flow rate the possibility existed that the radiator would not dissipate the heat fast enough and the returning fluid would not have been sufficiently cooled." Is it possible to purchase a more efficient radiator (and high flow water pump) and then negate the radiator by moving the fluid through it too fast??? While I'm sure there is a threshold to a minimum and maximum flow rate it seems an efficient radiator (which often equates to larger) becomes the deciding factor. I would assume just about any water pump falls somewhere between the min/max points. Likely though there are pumps that might be better at low RPM cooling than at high RPM and visa/versa. Additionally, if one factors in the restriction of the thermostat does it become the equivalent of the "NASCAR restrictor plate" and negate a high flow pump??? There are so many things to factor in. It would make a great science fair experiment to test radiator in and out temperatures relating to flow rate. It seems that a minimal temperature change, - yet one that keeps the overall temperature near ideal (180?) would be the desired "sweet spot." Anyway, I'm not trying to make a statement. Rather I'm throwing some things out there as food for thought. With all the other contributing aspects of the Tiger cooling issues - who knows? Tom From twotigers at verizon.net Thu Jul 2 11:19:58 2009 From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 10:19:58 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger overheating Message-ID: <002601c9fb39$53afaf20$2f01a8c0@smith> Tom, CAT shop notes from the mid 70's to the 80's have numerous mentions of people cutting down the vanes of their water pumps to slow coolant circulation through the radiator. I'm not sure the science supports it, but it must have worked for some- the idea kept popping up from time to time. Kirk. B382000503 From spook01 at comcast.net Thu Jul 2 11:45:56 2009 From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:45:56 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] SUNI (overheating) References: <089C114009C2427D87B1E14D21E29EC5@your4dacd0ea75><60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905428@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> <5127C097B01C4EBD9F2C2C6BD9107363@student2> Message-ID: hi all, back in the 70's, we used a manometer to measure pressure under the hood of a tiger at various speeds in various locations. what we found was that air becomes trapped inside the engine compartment as you whiz along the highway. to allow it to escape, the factory put vents in the sides of the rally cars, and some guys put vents in the hoods, either at the rear corners (like the LAT hood), or directly over the exhaust manifolds. these areas correspond to the highest pressure areas under the hood. raising the hood in the rear is not a good idea, since the base of the windshield is also a high pressure area, and blocks air outflow from the engine compartment. the 260 type open impellor can cavitate at speed, causing a lowering of efficiency of the pump, and more overheating! the enclosed impellor used in the 289 302 works better. we found low speed op to be very nearly a different problem. flow through the tiny matrix was a major factor, not outflow of air (so much). thus, the Volvo fan, aluminum radiators, vents, etc. came to be major upgrades on the cars. not to mention the low viscosity waterless coolant that boils at 375 degrees at zero pressure!! these cars are very under-developed, and as long as you accept that fact, you will be happy. Best, Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Witt" To: Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] SUNI (overheating) >>>> Stewart makes a replacement high-flow water pump that should fit the >>>> Tiger - I might end up installing one of these to make sure there is >>>> enough water movement.<<< > > I remember a similar discussion on the list years ago. The basic premise > was, "while you are moving the heat away from the engine faster you were > also moving it faster through the radiator. Thus, with the high flow rate > the possibility existed that the radiator would not dissipate the heat > fast enough and the returning fluid would not have been sufficiently > cooled." > > Is it possible to purchase a more efficient radiator (and high flow water > pump) and then negate the radiator by moving the fluid through it too > fast??? > > While I'm sure there is a threshold to a minimum and maximum flow rate it > seems an efficient radiator (which often equates to larger) becomes the > deciding factor. I would assume just about any water pump falls somewhere > between the min/max points. Likely though there are pumps that might be > better at low RPM cooling than at high RPM and visa/versa. Additionally, > if one factors in the restriction of the thermostat does it become the > equivalent of the "NASCAR restrictor plate" and negate a high flow pump??? > There are so many things to factor in. > > It would make a great science fair experiment to test radiator in and out > temperatures relating to flow rate. It seems that a minimal temperature > change, - yet one that keeps the overall temperature near ideal (180?) > would be the desired "sweet spot." > > Anyway, I'm not trying to make a statement. Rather I'm throwing some > things out there as food for thought. With all the other contributing > aspects of the Tiger cooling issues - who knows? > Tom > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From robin02 at mindspring.com Thu Jul 2 12:09:12 2009 From: robin02 at mindspring.com (Robin Young) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:09:12 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] SUNI (overheating) In-Reply-To: References: <089C114009C2427D87B1E14D21E29EC5@your4dacd0ea75><60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905428@dsimail.ad.garmin.com><5127C097B01C4EBD9F2C2C6BD9107363@student2> Message-ID: <797A7D7DF4A94B80B4C8B35F874B6438@RobinLaptop> The air dam that Tim Ronack designed and sold is very effective. It shears air just below the cross member and causes a low pressure behind the radiator. The faster the car the more effective it becomes. The air dam is very easy to install and when painted black, it disappears. Robin Young hi all, back in the 70's, we used a manometer to measure pressure under the hood of a tiger at various speeds in various locations. what we found was that air becomes trapped inside the engine compartment as you whiz along the highway. to allow it to escape, the factory put vents in the sides of the rally cars, and some guys put vents in the hoods, either at the rear corners (like the LAT hood), or directly over the exhaust manifolds. these areas correspond to the highest pressure areas under the hood. raising the hood in the rear is not a good idea, since the base of the windshield is also a high pressure area, and blocks air outflow from the engine compartment. From fastsage at cox.net Thu Jul 2 12:25:46 2009 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:25:46 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] SUNI (overheating) In-Reply-To: References: <089C114009C2427D87B1E14D21E29EC5@your4dacd0ea75><60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905428@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> <5127C097B01C4EBD9F2C2C6BD9107363@student2> Message-ID: <4A4CFBAA.5050008@cox.net> spook01 wrote: > > ................what we found was that air becomes trapped inside the > engine compartment as you whiz along the highway. ................... > to allow it to escape, the factory put vents in the sides of the rally > cars, and some guys put vents in the hoods, either at the rear > corners (like the LAT hood), or directly over the exhaust manifolds. > these areas correspond to the highest pressure areas under the hood. > raising the hood in the rear is not a good idea, since the base of the > windshield is also a high pressure area, and blocks air outflow from > the engine compartment............ Hello Team: I have ended up with the hood open 1 1/2 inches above the car body in hot weather and it makes a definite difference (about 10 degrees) in lower running temps for me at speed. I know that a lot of hot air does exit the engine compartment that way and here's how. I have a MK 1A with the foot well "cooling" vents. When I first started propping up the hood, I couldn't figure out why I felt extra hot air gushing into the foot wells, even with the vents closed. Of course those vents do let some air in even when they're in the closed position. More hot air got through with the hood propped than with it all the way closed. Then, with the vents open, try that test. With the hood closed, no extra hot air. With the hood propped open, LOTS of hot air into the foot wells. I've ended up taping over both the fresh air vent intakes in front of the windshield to completely stop air from outside and the engine compartment getting in during hot weather. Of course I'm cheating because I installed A/C in the Tiger, but that, and making sure I've plugged up every possible leak/firewall hole (and there were several of them) from the engine to the passenger compartment, and lots of heat insulation, makes a big difference. Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.12740 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Thu Jul 2 12:31:13 2009 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo)) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:31:13 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] distributor In-Reply-To: <39a841b0906301459x41a38b52y40de20ac171d90b9@mail.gmail.com> References: <39a841b0906301459x41a38b52y40de20ac171d90b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0347B6F8B39F4A87987770385A3ED96D@jerry> Owain, What you appear to have is indeed a Dura Spark II distributor and that's great! You can't really buy a better distributor! MSD, DUI, and others use the same type of triggering devise, so why pay the money? You can use either of two types of caps, the smaller type like the original or the larger cap that uses a plastic ADAPTER between the bigger cap (and rotor like you show) and the distributor, it's available, I'm sorry I don't have the part numbers. Any numbers in the 70's through the mid 80's should help. Just remember when using this type of distributor (triggering devise) you have to have an amplifier to trigger the coil. The best is probably the very expensive MSD ($250.00), but there is a much cheaper amp that does very well, (good for about 10,000rpm, which should take care of most Tigers) and it's from Chrysler (still Tiger parts, Ha). It's called a LX-101 amp. Mid 70's to 80's cars. I think I've seen them for as little as $19.95 on up to $100+ depending on warranties and whether it's a "high performance" or not. Also, while you're at it put in the Mr. Gasket 925D springs to give you the proper curve for your Tiger. I show and illustrate all of this in my DVD. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 TAC Insp #58 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:59 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] distributor i wonder if anyone knows what the internals of this distributor are? it has a regular ford stamped lower body and this non standard rotor shaft. there is a blue plastic 'large' style upper body and a red HEI cap. none of the parts are marked. i'd like to get a new rotor for it but i'm not sure what to buy to fit that shaft. http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/dizzy/IMG_0858.jpg http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/dizzy/IMG_0859.jpg thanks, - owain. Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From v8tracker at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 15:35:58 2009 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:35:58 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] distributor In-Reply-To: <0347B6F8B39F4A87987770385A3ED96D@jerry> References: <39a841b0906301459x41a38b52y40de20ac171d90b9@mail.gmail.com> <0347B6F8B39F4A87987770385A3ED96D@jerry> Message-ID: <4BC01DACDFEF4BB38B198CFAFE22621C@DellD4700> Owain, et al, Many people believe the General Motors HEI four-wire module is the best trigger for the DuraSpark II ignition, more dependable than the Ford version and certainly way cheaper ($20 or so) than the MSD box. Google something like "DuraSpark GM HEI" and you should get several descriptions and wiring diagrams. One guy even hid one inside a Ford cover so no one would know he was using a GM part! Some of the ones I found very helpful are at http://www.carbdford.com/tech/HEI/hei.htm, http://www.bronco.com/cms/node/25 and http://www.junkyardgenius.com/ignition/jeep/HEI01.html. HTH, A. C. Tynes > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry & > Maureen (Mo) > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 1:31 PM > To: owain.lloyd at gmail.com; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] distributor > > Owain, > > What you appear to have is indeed a Dura Spark II distributor > and that's great! You can't really buy a better distributor! > MSD, DUI, and others use the same type of triggering devise, > so why pay the money? > > You can use either of two types of caps, the smaller type > like the original or the larger cap that uses a plastic > ADAPTER between the bigger cap (and rotor like you show) and > the distributor, it's available, I'm sorry I don't have the > part numbers. Any numbers in the 70's through the mid 80's > should help. > > Just remember when using this type of distributor (triggering > devise) you have to have an amplifier to trigger the coil. > The best is probably the very expensive MSD ($250.00), but > there is a much cheaper amp that does very well, (good for > about 10,000rpm, which should take care of most Tigers) and > it's from Chrysler (still Tiger parts, Ha). It's called a > LX-101 amp. Mid 70's to 80's cars. I think I've seen them for > as little as $19.95 on up to $100+ depending on warranties > and whether it's a "high performance" or not. > > Also, while you're at it put in the Mr. Gasket 925D springs > to give you the > proper curve for your Tiger. > > I show and illustrate all of this in my DVD. > > Jerry Christopherson > 9473187 > TAC Insp #58 > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:59 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] distributor > > i wonder if anyone knows what the internals of this distributor are? > > it has a regular ford stamped lower body and this non > standard rotor shaft. > there is a blue plastic 'large' style upper body and a red > HEI cap. none of the parts are marked. i'd like to get a > new rotor for it but i'm not sure what to buy to fit that shaft. > > http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/dizzy/IMG_0858.jpg > http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/dizzy/IMG_0859.jpg > > thanks, > > - owain. > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From v8tracker at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 16:02:35 2009 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 17:02:35 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] SUNI (overheating) In-Reply-To: <5127C097B01C4EBD9F2C2C6BD9107363@student2> References: <089C114009C2427D87B1E14D21E29EC5@your4dacd0ea75><60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905428@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> <5127C097B01C4EBD9F2C2C6BD9107363@student2> Message-ID: This is just more food for thought, with no scientific basis. The F4B and many other small block Ford manifolds do not allow coolant to flow through the back of the manifold between the heads as is done at the front of the manifold. The earlier Edelbrock Performer, Weiand Stealth and maybe others provided a passage at the rear of the manifold so that water could flow between the backs of the heads. I have been told that this improved overall water flow through the engine and also helped to eliminate a possible air pocket in that area. On the other hand, the extra hot water flowing through the manifold could serve to bring more heat to the carb. Cooler engine vs. hotter carb? Edelbrock and Weiand manifolds with the water passage are still common on Ebay, but, since the manufacturers dropped the passage without changing the model designations, you have to check the pictures to see if it is there. I have no data to prove whether the extra water passage helps or hurts or does some of both, so I would be glad to hear opinions/information from you all. A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 12:09 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] SUNI (overheating) > > >>> Stewart makes a replacement high-flow water pump that > should fit the > >>> Tiger - I might end up installing one of these to make > sure there is > >>> enough water movement.<<< > > I remember a similar discussion on the list years ago. The > basic premise was, "while you are moving the heat away from > the engine faster you were also moving it faster through the > radiator. Thus, with the high flow rate the possibility > existed that the radiator would not dissipate the heat fast > enough and the returning fluid would not have been > sufficiently cooled." > > Is it possible to purchase a more efficient radiator (and > high flow water > pump) and then negate the radiator by moving the fluid > through it too fast??? > > While I'm sure there is a threshold to a minimum and maximum > flow rate it seems an efficient radiator (which often equates > to larger) becomes the deciding factor. I would assume just > about any water pump falls somewhere between the min/max > points. Likely though there are pumps that might be better at > low RPM cooling than at high RPM and visa/versa. > Additionally, if one factors in the restriction of the > thermostat does it become the equivalent of the "NASCAR > restrictor plate" and negate a high flow pump??? > There are so many things to factor in. > > It would make a great science fair experiment to test > radiator in and out temperatures relating to flow rate. It > seems that a minimal temperature change, - yet one that keeps > the overall temperature near ideal (180?) would be the > desired "sweet spot." > > Anyway, I'm not trying to make a statement. Rather I'm > throwing some things out there as food for thought. With all > the other contributing aspects of the Tiger cooling issues - > who knows? > Tom > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Jul 2 22:45:21 2009 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:45:21 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Autox Down? Message-ID: <4A4D8CE1.6010509@mayfco.com> I am getting nothing from the autox server.... none of my list traffic. Glen, you getting anything? mayf From jrv309 at charter.net Fri Jul 3 08:25:09 2009 From: jrv309 at charter.net (Jerry and Marlene VanderPool) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 07:25:09 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Autox Down? References: <4A4D8CE1.6010509@mayfco.com> Message-ID: Mayf; We read you loud and clear. Jerry and Marlene with the candy apple Tiger. ----- Original Message ----- From: "drmayf" To: "LSR" ; ; "Glen Barret" Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:45 PM Subject: [Tigers] Autox Down? >I am getting nothing from the autox server.... none of my list traffic. > > Glen, you getting anything? > > mayf > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From sralsten at ca.rr.com Fri Jul 3 09:59:41 2009 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 11:59:41 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] /New Forum In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090703155941.ZQQLD.310484.root@cdptpa-web06-z02> Paul and all listers. CAT has installed a discussion page on their website. It has just opened and should be a big step up in ability to communicate amoung Tiger owners. It will make tracking and searching of messages better and also offers great picture posting capability. Try it out. http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/index.php ---- "Paul R. Breuhan" wrote: > Buck, > > Forum? What Forum? > > I didn't know CAT had a forum? I don't recall hearing about this before your > posting. It looks to be pretty new. From MACHWIL at aol.com Fri Jul 3 15:55:17 2009 From: MACHWIL at aol.com (MACHWIL at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 17:55:17 EDT Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: testing **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585087x1201462804/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd= JulystepsfooterNO62) From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Fri Jul 3 16:25:45 2009 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 18:25:45 EDT Subject: [Tigers] TESTING Message-ID: Any comments on the 67 TIGER on E-Pay. 270417359253 Did I get kicked off again? Haven't gotten any mail lately. **************It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008) From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Fri Jul 3 19:32:57 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:32:57 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] TESTING In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A4EB149.20602@SoCal.rr.com> Are you referring to the "LIST" or the "DIGEST"? List is working, Digest doesn't seem very current (6/21/09) ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com AAAGLASSS at aol.com wrote: > Any comments on the 67 TIGER on E-Pay. 270417359253 Did I get kicked off > again? Haven't gotten any mail lately. > **************It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place > where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Fri Jul 3 19:42:23 2009 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (J. Nichols) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 21:42:23 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] I'll Be Dammed! Message-ID: <002201c9fc48$ae295900$6401a8c0@your03667082de> "The air dam that Tim Ronack designed and sold is very effective. It shears air just below the cross member and causes a low pressure behind the radiator. The faster the car the more effective it becomes. The air dam is very easy to install and when painted black, it disappears. Robin Young" You can get the same affect by mounting a period UK license plate using the stock bracket under the bumper. Although, your state has to allow that type of plate mounted on the front of the car like Michigan does. Jeff From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Fri Jul 3 20:32:38 2009 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:32:38 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] I'll Be Dammed! References: <002201c9fc48$ae295900$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: <9D09A8A1F56041768C1B32C864158B1D@your4dacd0ea75> I certainly agree that Tim's air dam is effective when the car is in motion. However, on the way back from SUNI we crossed the Mojave Desert when the the temperature was relatively cool - only 102. The water temperature gauge indicated 200 which we know means the return water was 180, probably too cool. This was with a modern aluminum radiator and a small, 13" Derale fan. However when I was stopped or barely moving for 15 to 30 minutes, waiting in a line at the Agriculture Inspection Station, the actual temperature rose to 240 by the time I cleared the line. The problem most Tigers have with overheating is when the Tiger is stopped or is in stop and go conditions. Tim addressed this low speed problem by installing an electric (pusher) fan in front of the radiator. After my recent experience, I'm thinking about doing the same (exept I'll hook mine up to a big red "Panic" button). ;-) An earlier post mentioned the theoretical disadvange to propping a hood open for engine compartment ventilation. (Reasoning that venting into a high pressure region is difficult) I'd like to point out that when a Tiger's hood latch is not operational, that a stock steel hood will "lift off" around 70mph (depending on headwind/tailwind). We discussed this at SUNI and the consensus is that it will only lift seveal inches and then levels out. However I have seen the light weight LAT hoods still lifting at 6" up, enough to force a race driver off the track. The lifting hoods indicate to me that a higher pressure can vent nicely into a high pressure area. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Nichols" To: Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 6:42 PM Subject: [Tigers] I'll Be Dammed! > "The air dam that Tim Ronack designed and sold is very effective. It > shears > air just below the cross member and causes a low pressure behind the > radiator. The faster the car the more effective it becomes. The air dam > is > very easy to install and when painted black, it disappears. Robin Young" > > > You can get the same affect by mounting a period UK license plate using > the > stock bracket under the bumper. Although, your state has to allow that > type > of plate mounted on the front of the car like Michigan does. > > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From atwittsend at verizon.net Fri Jul 3 20:59:47 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:59:47 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] I'll Be Dammed! References: <002201c9fc48$ae295900$6401a8c0@your03667082de> <9D09A8A1F56041768C1B32C864158B1D@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <573A8AEA281C4776884C898FF40D2C6B@student2> >>>The problem most Tigers have with overheating is when the Tiger is >>>stopped or is in stop and go conditions.<<< >>>Tim addressed this low speed problem by installing an electric (pusher) >>>fan in front of the radiator.<<< These conditions would make the pressure region irrelevant. Thus at low speeds, with a pusher fan, an unlatched hood might just have benefits after all. Well..., for the car, maybe not the driver. Seems it is time someone adapt a surplus fighter canopy actuator to the hood for the ultimate in heat control. :-) Tom From deiland1 at elp.rr.com Fri Jul 3 20:59:34 2009 From: deiland1 at elp.rr.com (Dan Eiland) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:59:34 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Electric Radiator Fan Placement Message-ID: <4E00FADAA2BD4D6BA34FFAF65F52EDEF@owner95291b1f9> I'm in the process of trying to work out all the details on installing an aftermarket A/C system in my project car and was wondering if it is Kosher to install a pusher and a puller fan on the same car? I don't have enough room to mount both fans side-by-side but could mount one as a pusher fan and the other as a puller fan. I have seen cars with the original puller fan attached to the water pump pulley while also having an electric pusher fan in front of the A/C condensor. Just have never seen both fans being electric. Dan From fastsage at cox.net Fri Jul 3 21:10:29 2009 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 20:10:29 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] I'll Be Dammed! In-Reply-To: <9D09A8A1F56041768C1B32C864158B1D@your4dacd0ea75> References: <002201c9fc48$ae295900$6401a8c0@your03667082de> <9D09A8A1F56041768C1B32C864158B1D@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <4A4EC825.6090106@cox.net> Hello Buck: I mentioned in a post a day or two ago that I do have my hood propped open and it definitely vents air out at speed, and makes a difference. It may help a bit in stop and go too, since all that hot air has some way out, although that would be tough to prove. Steve Sage > > > An earlier post mentioned the theoretical disadvange to propping a > hood open for engine compartment ventilation. (Reasoning that venting > into a high pressure region is difficult) I'd like to point out that > when a Tiger's hood latch is not operational, that a stock steel hood > will "lift off" around 70mph (depending on headwind/tailwind). We > discussed this at SUNI and the consensus is that it will only lift > seveal inches and then levels out. However I have seen the light > weight LAT hoods still lifting at 6" up, enough to force a race driver > off the track. The lifting hoods indicate to me that a higher pressure > can vent nicely into a high pressure area. > > Buck Trippel > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.12750 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From spook01 at comcast.net Fri Jul 3 21:36:18 2009 From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01 at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 03:36:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] I'll Be Dammed! In-Reply-To: <1048598661.223291246678485947.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1541457276.223401246678578122.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> uh. no.B what happens is that there is a high pressure system at the rear of the compartment, with another forming in front of the windshield.B additionally, a LOW pressure area forms over the center of the exterior of the hood at speed, helping to lift the hood.B the only venting that occurs is at the corners of the hood opening, withB air INTAKE in theB center.B slightB net loss of air flow out of the compartment. air doesn't move in a straight line, and some of the findings of the manometer were somewhat counter-intuitive. if you guys re-read the shop notes from the late '70's and earlier, esp. on called "the 200 degree panic", you will find there is nothing new being proposed other than the new aluminum rads, and a more aggressive fan blade.B and yes, we used sp oilers, too. best, rayB B B B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buck Trippel" To: "J. Nichols" , tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 9:32:38 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Tigers] I'll Be Dammed! I certainly agree that Tim's air dam is effective when the car is in motion. However, on the way back from SUNI we crossed the Mojave Desert when the the temperature was relatively cool - only 102. The water temperature gauge indicated 200 which we know means the return water was 180, probably too cool. This was with a modern aluminum radiator and a small, 13" Derale fan. However when I was stopped or barely moving for 15 to 30 minutes, waiting in a line at the Agriculture Inspection Station, the actual temperature rose to 240 by the time I cleared the line. The problem most Tigers have with overheating is when the Tiger is stopped or is in stop and go conditions. Tim addressed this low speed problem by installing an electric (pusher) fan in front of the radiator. After my recent experience, I'm thinking about doing the same (exept I'll hook mine up to a big red "Panic" button). B ;-) An earlier post mentioned the theoretical disadvange to propping a hood open for engine compartment ventilation. (Reasoning that venting into a high pressure region is difficult) B I'd like to point out that when a Tiger's hood latch is not operational, that a stock steel hood will "lift off" around 70mph (depending on headwind/tailwind). We discussed this at SUNI and the consensus is that it will only lift seveal inches and then levels out. However I have seen the light weight LAT hoods still lifting at 6" up, enough to force a race driver off the track. The lifting hoods indicate to me that a higher pressure can vent nicely into a high pressure area. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Nichols" To: Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 6:42 PM Subject: [Tigers] I'll Be Dammed! > "The air dam that Tim Ronack designed and sold is very effective. It > shears > air just below the cross member and causes a low pressure behind the > radiator. The faster the car the more effective it becomes. B The air dam > is > very easy to install and when painted black, it disappears. Robin Young" > > > You can get the same affect by mounting a period UK license plate using > the > stock bracket under the bumper. B Although, your state has to allow that > type > of plate mounted on the front of the car like Michigan does. > > > B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net B http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From maliburevue at yahoo.com Sat Jul 4 01:54:32 2009 From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 00:54:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for Sale - Cheap Message-ID: <747737.69299.qm@web33204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This Tiger really needs help. but it's cheap, $3400 http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/cto/1206701775.html From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sat Jul 4 08:34:47 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:34:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] engine study Message-ID: <65EF8640CF08447E87E2EF6F1E52E7E0@ronpc1> To All Does anyone who owns a Tiger with a G13KA engine have the original Ford engine ID tag? This is the small aluminum tag mounted to the original intake manifold. Ford started the engine ID tag system in Jan 1964; G13KA = Jan 13 1964 and I was wondering if any of these engine had that tag. If anyone has an engine ID tag for their original engine for any of the engine groups; please feel free to contact me. Thanks for your help Ron Fraser From rab65tiger at aol.com Sat Jul 4 09:51:05 2009 From: rab65tiger at aol.com (rab65tiger at aol.com) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:51:05 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] I'll Be Dammed Message-ID: <8CBCAD66014BED8-DF0-5611@webmail-de19.sysops.aol.com> So, a front mounted wing, (like a bug deflector screen sold for cars and trucks)?could be fabbed and installed on the leading edge of the hood to reduce the high pressure at the base of the windshield, allowing the rear of the hood to be propped up a litle bit to vent engine compartment heat at speed, and would also vent heat at stand still.? Then if I could capture the heat I could then sell the carbon credits back to an energy producer and reduce my carbon footprint, and mayb get a tax credit.? My meds may be wearing off. RB From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sat Jul 4 11:37:08 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 10:37:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Electric Radiator Fan Placement In-Reply-To: <4E00FADAA2BD4D6BA34FFAF65F52EDEF@owner95291b1f9> References: <4E00FADAA2BD4D6BA34FFAF65F52EDEF@owner95291b1f9> Message-ID: <4A4F9344.5070509@SoCal.rr.com> Dan, While I don't have A/C in the Tiger, I did put one in My "RED TOI" (See *Page 5 *of "My Life With Cars") Have your speakers on! (Heck, see all the pages) http://www.tigersunited.com/articles/sl-mc/SteveLaifman.asp The unit was built by a Tampa, Florida company that specialized in custom fit A/C for kit cars and Porsche. I'd have to ask my son for any Mfr. ID, as he has the car now. The condensers (yes there were 2 of them in series) were similar the the small, 8 inch square x 2 inch thick with fans attached to mounting brackets. They were mounted behind the front wheels, in "series". Worked very nicely, I had similar ones (with their custom under dash evaporator) in my Porsche 911S. If they work well in CA, and Las Vegas, and Edwards AFB in the High Desert, I would guess they would work anywhere. Especially good for Florida humidity. ("It ain't the heat, it's the...") I am not sure where I would put the condensers on a Tiger, as there is not much room behind the wheels. The Porsche style after market evaporator might be OK. I have seen a fan/evaporator unit from an older Mazda fit very nicely under the dash. 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(http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005) From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 4 18:10:44 2009 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Soft Top Replacement Questions Message-ID: <299912.98930.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tiger Listers: I'm finally getting around to installing a soft top on my Mark II Tiger. I purchased the top and associated hardware from Sunbeam Specialties. Having a good time doing the restoration, which has included bead blasting the soft top frame and having it powder coated (Tiger Drylac RAL-7001 Light Gray). I am documenting every step of this process, as I find that no one seems to have done that for the entire project (e.g. dis-assembly of the old frame through installation of the top). As you all probably know, there are differences between the early (Tiger Mark I) top and the later Tigers (e.g. my Mark II). I am wanting some feedback on one item, however. My Mark I Tiger's soft top frame has three (3) "belts" that affix by rivets to the rear most "hoop" on the frame and extend all the way to the front soft top metal "bar" that attaches to the front widnshield area (for lack of a better term). I use the term "belts" because the fabric is not unlike that used for seat belts. These three belts more or less tie the front soft top metal piece to the middle and rear frame "hoops." But... on my Mark II, their is just one such "belt" (and a short one at that). It mearly ties the rear most (fixed) hoop with the middle (movable) hoop. This belt does not extend to the to the front metal frame "bar" and the outer two belts are not part of the design. Because my Mark II was missing a soft top (have a hardtop) except for the frame when I purchased it in 1978... I am questioning if this apparent difference between the Mark I and the Mark II is correct. Seems to me that the Mark I design (with the three "belts") is a better design: providing more support for the soft top and "tieing" everything together better. Any of you guys care to comment on the Mark I versus Mark II differences in the soft top frame hardware (specifically the "support belts")? Is the difference I'm describing "accurate" and if so, why did they drop the extra suport straps? Thanks, Bill Waite Garnd Rapids, MI From j_d_johnson at earthlink.net Sat Jul 4 18:27:43 2009 From: j_d_johnson at earthlink.net (J D Johnson) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 17:27:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] John Patrick Burke Message-ID: Anybody know what's happened to Patrick Burke? I've been trying to connect with him for several weeks with no luck. Hopefully he's all right. I've got my fingers crossed that someone in the Glendale area can fill me in. Thanks, JD [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] From spook01 at comcast.net Sun Jul 5 06:58:18 2009 From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 07:58:18 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Electric Radiator Fan Placement References: <4E00FADAA2BD4D6BA34FFAF65F52EDEF@owner95291b1f9> <4A4F9344.5070509@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: years ago, a fellow in texas had a/c in his stock tiger. he had a interior console built to hold the evap, and used (i think i remember) a condensor that was long and thin from a mazda or toyota of some type. it fit under the car near the side of the body, and had integral electric fans or fan. he said it was designed to use under the car, so system had a little deflector casing around it made of plastic. the system worked like a charm in houston heat, with the hardtop in place..this was around '79, so maybe a junkyard search? sorry i don't know more, but somewhere there is a red 260 tiger with a/c driving around. Best, Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Laifman" To: "Dan Eiland" Cc: "Jensen List" ; "Tiger List" Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electric Radiator Fan Placement > Dan, > > While I don't have A/C in the Tiger, I did put one in My "RED TOI" > > (See *Page 5 *of "My Life With Cars") Have your speakers on! (Heck, see > all the pages) > > http://www.tigersunited.com/articles/sl-mc/SteveLaifman.asp > > The unit was built by a Tampa, Florida company that specialized in > custom fit A/C for kit cars and Porsche. I'd have to ask my son for any > Mfr. ID, as he has the car now. > > The condensers (yes there were 2 of them in series) were similar the the > small, 8 inch square x 2 inch thick with fans attached to mounting > brackets. They were mounted behind the front wheels, in "series". > > Worked very nicely, I had similar ones (with their custom under dash > evaporator) in my Porsche 911S. If they work well in CA, and Las Vegas, > and Edwards AFB in the High Desert, I would guess they would work > anywhere. Especially good for Florida humidity. ("It ain't the heat, > it's the...") > > I am not sure where I would put the condensers on a Tiger, as there is > not much room behind the wheels. The Porsche style after market > evaporator might be OK. I have seen a fan/evaporator unit from an older > Mazda fit very nicely under the dash. > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > > Dan Eiland wrote: >> I'm in the process of trying to work out all the details on installing >> an aftermarket A/C system in my project car and was wondering if it is >> Kosher to install a pusher and a puller fan on the same car? I don't >> have enough room to mount both fans side-by-side but could mount one >> as a pusher fan and the other as a puller fan. I have seen cars with >> the original puller fan attached to the water pump pulley while also >> having an electric pusher fan in front of the A/C condensor. Just have >> never seen both fans being electric. >> >> Dan > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From spook01 at comcast.net Sun Jul 5 07:03:58 2009 From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:03:58 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for Sale - Cheap References: <747737.69299.qm@web33204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: minor rust. could be restored for $24,000. Best, Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary" To: "Tiger List" Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:54 AM Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for Sale - Cheap > This Tiger really needs help. but it's cheap, $3400 > > http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/cto/1206701775.html > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From awtiger at cox.net Sun Jul 5 09:43:01 2009 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 10:43:01 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tom Hall's e-mail address In-Reply-To: <5D3A84638F8E4F19984F9DAD1C64E277@your4dacd0ea75> References: <20090630161109.R2JQF.417100.root@hrndva-web20-z01> <5D3A84638F8E4F19984F9DAD1C64E277@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: Hey, guys: Sorry to bomb the list but can anyone supply me with Tom Hall's e-mail address? He was part of the team that TAC'd my car at SUNI and I need to contact him regarding an aspect of that inspection. Thanks in advance for any assistance. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740) B9006857LRX From dsmtjoy at cox.net Sun Jul 5 12:57:23 2009 From: dsmtjoy at cox.net (Mountjoy) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:57:23 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 258 References: Message-ID: <65B4737BB0E142E9AEE28BFEC862A289@computer> Bill, I'd be very interested in your step-by-step documentation. My MK I didn't come with any soft top. I've acquired two broken and incomplete soft top frames, one early style and one later style, from which I'm hoping to make one serviceable soft top. Your documentation will be just the thing to get me off my arse and finally have a soft top for my Tiger. Thanks, Darrell --original message----- > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:10:44 -0700 (PDT) > From: Bill Waite > Subject: [Tigers] Soft Top Replacement Questions > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Message-ID: <299912.98930.qm at web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Tiger Listers: > > I'm finally getting around to installing a soft top on my Mark II Tiger. > I > purchased the top and associated hardware from Sunbeam Specialties. > Having a > good time doing the restoration, which has included bead blasting the soft > top > frame and having it powder coated (Tiger Drylac RAL-7001 Light Gray). I > am > documenting every step of this process, as I find that no one seems to > have > done that for the entire project (e.g. dis-assembly of the old frame > through > installation of the top). > > As you all probably know, there are differences between the early (Tiger > Mark > I) top and the later Tigers (e.g. my Mark II). I am wanting some feedback > on > one item, however. > > My Mark I Tiger's soft top frame has three (3) "belts" that affix by > rivets to > the rear most "hoop" on the frame and extend all the way to the front soft > top > metal "bar" that attaches to the front widnshield area (for lack of a > better > term). I use the term "belts" because the fabric is not unlike that used > for > seat belts. These three belts more or less tie the front soft top metal > piece > to the middle and rear frame "hoops." > > But... on my Mark II, their is just one such "belt" (and a short one at > that). It mearly ties the rear most (fixed) hoop with the middle > (movable) > hoop. This belt does not extend to the to the front metal frame "bar" and > the > outer two belts are not part of the design. > > Because my Mark II was missing a soft top (have a hardtop) except for the > frame when I purchased it in 1978... I am questioning if this apparent > difference between the Mark I and the Mark II is correct. Seems to me > that > the Mark I design (with the three "belts") is a better design: providing > more > support for the soft top and "tieing" everything together better. > > Any of you guys care to comment on the Mark I versus Mark II differences > in > the soft top frame hardware (specifically the "support belts")? Is the > difference I'm describing "accurate" and if so, why did they drop the > extra > suport straps? > > Thanks, > > Bill Waite > Garnd Rapids, MI From achd73 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 5 15:17:27 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] looking for the axle seal MIA Message-ID: <564716.45153.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The below address was from a member who had purchased axle seals but they where made in such a way they had to be installed backwards to use them. I think his name was Ralph. The addy is no longer good but if he is still a LIST member and reads this email, please contact me off list. rcsphx at qwest.net Thanks in advance. TonytheTiger From achd73 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 5 15:29:26 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: <657085.89127.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The MIA persons name was Richard. My apologises to all Ralph's and to Richard too. Seems mt first note didnt post. SO---Im looking for Richard who had problems with the inner axle seal when he replaced axle bearings etc. His old and now defunct email was- rcsphx at qwest.net SO, if Richard read this, please contact me off list. Thanks in advance TonytheTiger From DJoh797014 at aol.com Sun Jul 5 19:42:51 2009 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:42:51 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Soft top replacemet question Message-ID: Bill Go to the TE/AE web site _WWW.TEAE.ORG_ (http://www.TEAE.ORG) . In the tech tips section is a great article written by Dave Reina. Well worth your time to read before you do anything. As to the top frame question. There is a difference between the MK I and MK II top frame besides the obvious wire cord/velocre window seals. The MK IA and MK II had only one 'shock strap' from to frame to the top bow. If you examine your top bow, you should see a small indentation in the bow where the shock strap went. One indentation = one strap. I sourced my shock strap at the local fabric store where they stocked the almost identical rubber strap used in furniture. But it was not black like my original. Nothing some fabric dye couldn't fix. Food for thought. My MK IA is B382002668, almost at the end of the run before MK II. It had many MK II pieces on it. When I replaced my original top, I ordered the top from SS. But it didn't fit side to side. OK front to back. It was a good 2 inches short. I then went to aa AMCO dealer. His book listed two velcro tops for the Tiger MK I and MK II. I ordered the MK II top and it fit j ust fine side to side. BTW SS refunded my $ no questions. I've read that one of the changes for MK II was raising the steering wheel and thus the top. Perhaps this is why the top is wider. Norm may have some input on this. So if your top is too narrow, you really do have a MK II top frame and need a MK II top. I have to AOL problem and must read the archieves until it's fixed. But it looks I can send OK. Let me know my direct email I you get this. One last thing. As Dave Reins advises, do you to on a hot sunny day. Dave Johnson. Not hot not sunny in Indianapolis **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005) From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun Jul 5 20:07:57 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:07:57 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Soft top replacemet question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: are the "shock straps" a pirelli rubber? 2009/7/6 > Bill > Go to the TE/AE web site _WWW.TEAE.ORG_ (http://www.TEAE.ORG) > . In the > tech tips section > is a great article written by Dave Reina. Well worth your time to read > before you do anything. > > As to the top frame question. There is a difference between the MK I and > MK II top frame besides the obvious wire cord/velocre window seals. > > The MK IA and MK II had only one 'shock strap' from to frame to the > top bow. If you examine your top bow, you should see a small indentation > in the bow where the shock strap went. One indentation = one strap. > > I sourced my shock strap at the local fabric store where they stocked the > almost identical rubber strap used in furniture. But it was not black > like my > original. Nothing some fabric dye couldn't fix. > > Food for thought. My MK IA is B382002668, almost at the end of the run > before MK II. It had many MK II pieces on it. When I replaced my original > top, > I ordered the top from SS. But it didn't fit side to side. OK front to > back. > It was a good 2 inches short. I then went to aa AMCO dealer. His book > listed > two velcro tops for the Tiger MK I and MK II. I ordered the MK II top > and it fit j > ust fine side to side. BTW SS refunded my $ no questions. > > I've read that one of the changes for MK II was raising the steering wheel > and thus the top. Perhaps this is why the top is wider. Norm may have > some input on this. > > So if your top is too narrow, you really do have a MK II top frame and > need a MK II top. > > I have to AOL problem and must read the archieves until it's fixed. But > it looks I can send OK. Let me know my direct email I you get this. > > One last thing. As Dave Reins advises, do you to on a hot sunny day. > > Dave Johnson. Not hot not sunny in Indianapolis > > **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the > grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > -- Regards Michael King From e.coiner at cox.net Mon Jul 6 15:44:15 2009 From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 14:44:15 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger overheating In-Reply-To: <002601c9fb39$53afaf20$2f01a8c0@smith> Message-ID: <20090706174415.OWCPT.199550.imail@fed1rmwml40> My Tiger overheating experience is directly opposite of the hypothesis proposed below. I have told this story to the list several times about 3 years ago so I will deliver the Reader's Digest Version today. Purchased the Tiger in Oct 2001. I immediately experienced overheating trouble. It would puke coolant on the garage floor after drives, it would peg the needle on the gauge when driving up steep hils at speed. The needle would climb when sitting in traffic. I replaced a blown head gasket. I replaced the radiator with the one Rob Guerra sells. I installed a Derale aluminum rigid blade fan that moves a huge amount of air. (I have a fiberglass LAT hood, If I rev the engine the corners of the hood will flex up to let the air out!!!) I installed horn blockoff plates and the air scoop that Steve Laifman documented on the Tigers United website. At this point the car no longer puked coolant after a drive, but the temps would rise out of control when climbing steep hills or driving fast. The faster I drove, the hotter the car ran. I made one last change. I replaced the Ford water pump with an Edelbrock High flow pump. Since that change the Tiger has never overheated. It runs at 190-200 on the freeway, climbing hills and sitting at idle. One hot summer day I started the car in the garage (door open!) and let it idle for 1 hour. The air temp in the garage was 104F the water temp was 205 F. and stable. Added a thermocouple to a port on the drivers side tank of the radiator so I know my temps are accurate. Erich ---- Kirk Smith wrote: > Tom, > > CAT shop notes from the mid 70's to the 80's have numerous mentions of people > cutting down the vanes of their water pumps to slow coolant circulation > through the radiator. I'm not sure the science supports it, but it must have > worked for some- the idea kept popping up from time to time. > > Kirk. > B382000503 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From mikeflbmer at yahoo.com Tue Jul 7 08:03:30 2009 From: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com (mike schreiner) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] SUNI V Website article Message-ID: <617604.63565.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> http://www.musclecarnetwork.com/ Copy and paste this website....great article on the suni event....Mike Schreiner From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Jul 7 16:57:02 2009 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Brakes Message-ID: <137918.57411.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Been quiet for a bit, but slowing working on the front brakes on the Tiger. Pics of the finished stuff here (after the FAIL section) - http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/BrakeBracket.html And FLog here which show direction for the Rear Brakes... http://www.bleachburnout.com/blog/ Enjoy From terrytoolman at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 17:20:47 2009 From: terrytoolman at gmail.com (TERRY MORRIS) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:20:47 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Selling a Tiger out of the USA Message-ID: <5857230b0907071620p1d51502er8a35547753922826@mail.gmail.com> I have a offer to sell my Tiger to a person in Germany. How do I go about the plates and registration on it if I sell it? The plates are personal plates, do I remove them or do I leave them on the car? Should I schedule an appt. with CA DMV? I know you guys will help I've been a lurker here a long time and have gotten a lot of info from you off the list. Thanks Terry Bakersfield, CA B382002178 From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 7 18:24:10 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Selling a Tiger out of the USA Message-ID: <171257.21869.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Terry- Im not from Ca. and if memory serves they might be a state where the plates stay w/the auto they where issused to. BUT, tyhe car is leaving the country. The new byer needs th title and that all he needs. Germany has no intrest in if the car was registered in Ca. WVa or Ind. Remove the plates and any and all paper work with your name, address etc. from the car and ship it to the new owner. I would think mailing the title with a received return receipt paid for by yourself and the spare keys would suffice. TtT --- On Tue, 7/7/09, TERRY MORRIS wrote: > From: TERRY MORRIS > Subject: [Tigers] Selling a Tiger out of the USA > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 6:20 PM > I have a offer to sell my Tiger to a > person in Germany. How do I go > about the plates and registration on it if I sell it? The > plates are > personal plates, do I remove them or do I leave them on the > car? > Should I schedule an appt. with CA DMV? I know you guys > will help I've > been a lurker here a long time and have gotten a lot of > info from you > off the list. > > Thanks Terry > Bakersfield, CA > B382002178 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 7 19:14:47 2009 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (J. Nichols) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 21:14:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Soft top replacemet question and answer. Message-ID: <002b01c9ff69$7c3f9340$6401a8c0@your03667082de> "I sourced my shock strap at the local fabric store where they stocked the almost identical rubber strap used in furniture. But it was not black like my original. Nothing some fabric dye couldn't fix." If I were to redo the top on my three strap MK 1 top, I would definitely use the stretchy kind of strap. Rootes did it that way so you have some play in the bows when putting up the top. If one or more of the straps is a little short or slightly uneven in length they can stretch to make up the difference. Instead of the springy straps, I used black seat belts and I had a problem because they would not stretch. If all three straps were not exactly the same length, one or more would droop. Or if one was a little short then you couldn't make the header rail meet the windshield frame. I could see why Rootes used the stretchy kind. The straps on my top looked to be original (still springy after 40+ years) and were an off white color not black. I guess the later cars have one strap for cost saving. Jeff From chris at cthompson.net Tue Jul 7 20:15:18 2009 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:15:18 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Selling a Tiger out of the USA In-Reply-To: <5857230b0907071620p1d51502er8a35547753922826@mail.gmail.com> References: <5857230b0907071620p1d51502er8a35547753922826@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A540136.9050408@cthompson.net> I would first and foremost be suspect of a scam. There are a *lot* of scams going on with "foreign" buyers. Be ware, and get educated... here's a starting point - http://www.used-car-advisor.com/car-buyer-scam.htm Chris TERRY MORRIS wrote: > I have a offer to sell my Tiger to a person in Germany. How do I go > about the plates and registration on it if I sell it? The plates are > personal plates, do I remove them or do I leave them on the car? > Should I schedule an appt. with CA DMV? I know you guys will help I've > been a lurker here a long time and have gotten a lot of info from you > off the list. > > Thanks Terry > Bakersfield, CA > B382002178 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From chris at cthompson.net Tue Jul 7 20:16:20 2009 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:16:20 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Selling a Tiger out of the USA In-Reply-To: <4A540136.9050408@cthompson.net> References: <5857230b0907071620p1d51502er8a35547753922826@mail.gmail.com> <4A540136.9050408@cthompson.net> Message-ID: <4A540174.8030801@cthompson.net> Chris Thompson wrote: > I would first and foremost be suspect of a scam. There are a *lot* of > scams going on with "foreign" buyers. Be ware, and get educated... > here's a starting point - > > http://www.used-car-advisor.com/car-buyer-scam.htm > > Chris > > TERRY MORRIS wrote: >> I have a offer to sell my Tiger to a person in Germany. How do I go >> about the plates and registration on it if I sell it? The plates are >> personal plates, do I remove them or do I leave them on the car? >> Should I schedule an appt. with CA DMV? I know you guys will help I've >> been a lurker here a long time and have gotten a lot of info from you >> off the list. >> >> Thanks Terry >> Bakersfield, CA >> B382002178 From atwittsend at verizon.net Tue Jul 7 21:19:14 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:19:14 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Selling a Tiger out of the USA References: <5857230b0907071620p1d51502er8a35547753922826@mail.gmail.com> <4A540136.9050408@cthompson.net> Message-ID: Kind of my first thought too (Scam). Check this out to be sure. Twice I tried to sell my Halda Twinmaster on Ebay IN THE USA ONLY. Both times European buyers were the high bidder. I backed out of both deals (with just cause). Rather be safe than sorry. That said, I did sell a Halda Speed Pilot (on Ebay) and some guy in Italy bought it. He sent an electronic Money Order before I could even cancel the deal. I picked up the MO at the local grocery store. By that method the check was good as they wouldn't have issued it without him first paying for it on his end. So, at the least be careful. Tom >I would first and foremost be suspect of a scam. There are a *lot* of > scams going on with "foreign" buyers. Be ware, and get educated... > here's a starting point - > > http://www.used-car-advisor.com/car-buyer-scam.htm > > Chris From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 04:12:36 2009 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 11:12:36 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Selling a Tiger out of the USA In-Reply-To: References: <5857230b0907071620p1d51502er8a35547753922826@mail.gmail.com> <4A540136.9050408@cthompson.net> Message-ID: <39a841b0907080312o294bb45ehacfa0023d0cde011@mail.gmail.com> to be honest, its quite likely that if you sell a halda twinmaster, it will be bought by someone in europe - classic rallying is much more common here. i imagine the poor guy was pretty irritated when you backed out of the sale. there are some non americans who want to buy stuff without scamming.... having said that, paying by MO seems a little antiquated. i would insist on paypal for anything except a car, in which case, you can have the funds wired to you before you ship the car. back to the subject of exporting a car from the US... you can leave the plates on there - they will just be a nice souveneer for the new owner. they will also make it easier for him to get the car home and to his 'DMV' without getting stopped by police all the time (a car without any plates attracts attention even though its actually permitted). you need to send the US title to the export dock with the car (the shipper will handle this) where it is stamped for export and mailed back to you. you then need to send the title and registration to the new owner in germany as he will need it to register the car. the process in germany is somewhat complicated but you do not need to worry about that. On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 4:19 AM, Thomas Witt wrote: > Kind of my first thought too (Scam). Check this out to be sure. > > Twice I tried to sell my Halda Twinmaster on Ebay IN THE USA ONLY. Both > times European buyers were the high bidder. I backed out of both deals > (with just cause). Rather be safe than sorry. > > That said, I did sell a Halda Speed Pilot (on Ebay) and some guy in Italy > bought it. He sent an electronic Money Order before I could even cancel the > deal. I picked up the MO at the local grocery store. By that method the > check was good as they wouldn't have issued it without him first paying for > it on his end. > > So, at the least be careful. > Tom > > > > I would first and foremost be suspect of a scam. There are a *lot* of >> scams going on with "foreign" buyers. Be ware, and get educated... >> here's a starting point - >> >> http://www.used-car-advisor.com/car-buyer-scam.htm >> >> Chris >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 05:48:28 2009 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:48:28 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] brake discs Message-ID: <39a841b0907080448k70690a26tde5a73c2edb8fbc9@mail.gmail.com> looks like EBC are making reproduction tiger brake rotors. you can buy them on ebay UK: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=200350914726 not as cheap as mass produced modern rotors but cheaper than getting them custom made. if anyone wants to avoid international shipping, they can ship a pair to me, i can bring them to the US either later this month or in august and forward. - owain. From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Jul 8 11:48:49 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 10:48:49 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Selling a Tiger out of the USA Message-ID: <7560978DDCCF4799A14E3E30EF9E6DB2@student2> >>>i imagine the poor guy was pretty irritated when you backed out of the >>>sale. <<< Owain, Both times I listed the Halda on Ebay I specifically stated it was for USA sale only. It was both in the text of the description as well as the standard "sell to" text provided by Ebay. Thus, it was the European buyer (not me as the USA seller) who was violating the predetermined "rules" of the auction. On my second attempt to auction the Halda I even went so far as to offer to sell/ship it to an intermediary in the USA who could then ship it on to Europe. Yet in both cases the high bidder was from Europe and wanted a direct transaction. Even though the Speed Pilot transaction went well, it was a third time "USA sale only" was ignored. Now, in my previous list posting of this matter apparently you yourself seemed to missed the capital lettered "IN THE USA ONLY" when I described the my two previous attempt to sell the Halda. You appeared to be more sympathetic to the buyer ("poor guy") who violated the auction rules rather than me who was charged over $50 in Ebay fees (just try getting a refund!). My brother tells me that stop signs are a "suggestion," - not a law in Mexico. Is there something about "USA SALE ONLY" that doesn't register with someone from Europe? I'm not trying to start an argument, nor am I implying that all Europeans are scammers. I'm simply trying to figure out why USA SALE ONLY seems to mean nothing to the European buyers I have experienced. As an interesting side note every high bidder on the Halda wanted me to declare the value was less than $50 even though both auctions closed at $787 and $942 respectively. That information is public record to anyone searching on Ebay - including authorities that might question my declaration! So, between my experience of "USA ONLY" consistently being ignored and the fact that twice I was asked to lie about the items value I felt it prudent to suggest that Terry 'proceed with caution' when dealing with an overseas transaction. Tom From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Wed Jul 8 14:09:16 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:09:16 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Numbers important? (not tiger related) Message-ID: <4A54FCEC.3000307@SoCal.rr.com> While this is not specifically Tiger Related, we do seem overly obsessed with some numbers. For instance: Mk I, Mk II, 260, 289, 4 (speeds, wheels), 351, 2.88 and other arcane incantations. Well, numerologists, has the passing of this unique number set been overlooked? Too bad. it has already just gone by. Shortly after noon on July 8, comes the moment that can be called: 12:34:56 7/8/9. "Beware, the end is coming, are you prepared?" Steve (9-D -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com From cmccann at lwpb.com Wed Jul 8 14:24:26 2009 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:24:26 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Numbers important? (still not tiger related) In-Reply-To: <4A54FCEC.3000307@SoCal.rr.com> References: <4A54FCEC.3000307@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473329AF2EEBED@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> lol, yes Steve, and actually today at 6 seconds past 4:05pm....it will be 4:05:06, 07/08/09... so everyone brace yourselves for a disruption in the space time continuum.....thats here in less than an hour! While this is not specifically Tiger Related, we do seem overly obsessed with some numbers. For instance: Mk I, Mk II, 260, 289, 4 (speeds, wheels), 351, 2.88 and other arcane incantations. Well, numerologists, has the passing of this unique number set been overlooked? Too bad. it has already just gone by. Shortly after noon on July 8, comes the moment that can be called: 12:34:56 7/8/9. "Beware, the end is coming, are you prepared?" Steve (9-D From stubrennan at comcast.net Wed Jul 8 14:52:42 2009 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (stubrennan at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 20:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Numbers important? (still not tiger related) In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473329AF2EEBED@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: <1346106066.814251247086362235.JavaMail.root@sz0158a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> It's already passed here on the east coast, little effect noticed. ;-))) Stu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cullen McCann" To: "Tiger's Den" Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 4:24:26 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Tigers] Numbers important? (still not tiger related) lol, yes Steve, and actually today at 6 seconds past 4:05pm....it will be 4:05:06, 07/08/09... so everyone brace yourselves for a disruption in the space time continuum.....thats here in less than an hour! While this is not specifically Tiger Related, we do seem overly obsessed with some numbers. For instance: Mk B I, Mk II, 260, 289, 4 (speeds, wheels), B 351, B 2.88 and other arcane incantations. Well, numerologists, has the passing of this unique number set been overlooked? B Too bad. it has already just gone by. Shortly after noon on July 8, comes the moment that can be called: B 12:34:56 7/8/9. "Beware, the end is coming, are you prepared?" Steve (9-D Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From choffman9 at cinci.rr.com Wed Jul 8 15:07:26 2009 From: choffman9 at cinci.rr.com (Curt) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 17:07:26 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Selling a Tiger out of the USA References: <5857230b0907071620p1d51502er8a35547753922826@mail.gmail.com> <4A540136.9050408@cthompson.net> Message-ID: <15BDA310DA584F9F9F38D91B58BFF0D6@HomeComputer> I sold a Mustang to a guy in Germany a few years ago. He wired the money to my account where I confirmed with the bank that he could no longer remove it and it was good. I then sent a copy, as I recall, of the title to him via fax. Teh original stuff all went with the car when it was picked up. He arranged the shipping and had a truck come to pick up the car at my house for shipping to the dock for sending via ship. I did drive the car about a mile to where it was convenient to get on the truck. As I recall I left the plates on it as well. It all went well. Truth of the matter all the risk was on his side but I had sent him a pile of pictures and we emailed a long time. He had sent me a deposit to hold the car. Given I had never sent a car to Germany before I asked him to send me a picture of the car by his house. He emailed me one several weeks later. Took awhile to get the car. Curt Hoffman > TERRY MORRIS wrote: >> I have a offer to sell my Tiger to a person in Germany. How do I go >> about the plates and registration on it if I sell it? The plates are >> personal plates, do I remove them or do I leave them on the car? >> Should I schedule an appt. with CA DMV? I know you guys will help I've >> been a lurker here a long time and have gotten a lot of info from you >> off the list. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of clip_image002.gif] From gammaman at mokancomm.net Wed Jul 8 17:17:33 2009 From: gammaman at mokancomm.net (RB) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 18:17:33 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Selling a Tiger out of the USA References: <5857230b0907071620p1d51502er8a35547753922826@mail.gmail.com><4A540136.9050408@cthompson.net> <15BDA310DA584F9F9F38D91B58BFF0D6@HomeComputer> Message-ID: <0B9B2320301B4446A6968483942AEFD3@yourus67pi6luv> I had a guy in the UAE want to buy a motorcycle I had on eBay, he even offered to wire the money to my bank account. I checked into opening a new bank account with no balance in case there was any chance of him reversing a transfer and draining my account, etc. Then I was told by several people that even if he wired the money to me, if it turned out he obtained that money by some illegal means, the officials or whoever could come after me for return of the money even though I had nothing to do with how he obtained the money, so I decided it just wasn't worth the anxiety and sold it for a whole lot less to someone in the US. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Selling a Tiger out of the USA >I sold a Mustang to a guy in Germany a few years ago. He wired the money to > my account where I confirmed with the bank that he could no longer remove > it > and it was good. I then sent a copy, as I recall, of the title to him via > fax. Teh original stuff all went with the car when it was picked up. He > arranged the shipping and had a truck come to pick up the car at my house > for shipping to the dock for sending via ship. I did drive the car about a > mile to where it was convenient to get on the truck. As I recall I left > the > plates on it as well. It all went well. Truth of the matter all the risk > was > on his side but I had sent him a pile of pictures and we emailed a long > time. He had sent me a deposit to hold the car. > > Given I had never sent a car to Germany before I asked him to send me a > picture of the car by his house. He emailed me one several weeks later. > Took > awhile to get the car. > > Curt Hoffman > > >> TERRY MORRIS wrote: >>> I have a offer to sell my Tiger to a person in Germany. How do I go >>> about the plates and registration on it if I sell it? The plates are >>> personal plates, do I remove them or do I leave them on the car? >>> Should I schedule an appt. with CA DMV? I know you guys will help I've >>> been a lurker here a long time and have gotten a lot of info from you >>> off the list. > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of > clip_image002.gif] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From achd73 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 8 18:07:45 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 17:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Selling a Tiger out of the USA Message-ID: <698096.17346.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> IF you take the proper precautions. Dont do stupid things, like send them money when they are the purchaser, I wouldnt be afraid to sell to an overseas buyer. You hold the cards. The item doesnt leave your possesion UNTIL you have the funds in your hands and cleared thru your bank.You decide how soon the funds become safe with the help of your banker and once the funds are in your account, they can be turned into cash. No doubt many people have been husseled but if they had taken proper precautions, they wouldnt have been a victim. I would be just as careful selling in person. Many motorcycles and cars have been purchased with fake MO's or cashiers checks or one person test drives the bike while his friend stays with you--then when he doesnt return, the friend dashes and you are standing with nothing but a sad look and no scooter.No doubt being careful is important but I would let the cash talk, no matter what form it arrived in. TtT > From: RB > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Selling a Tiger out of the USA > To: "Curt" , tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 6:17 PM > I had a guy in the UAE want to buy a > motorcycle I had on eBay, he even offered to wire the money > to my bank account. I checked into opening a new bank > account with no balance in case there was any chance of him > reversing a transfer and draining my account, etc. > Then I was told by several people that even if he wired the > money to me, if it turned out he obtained that money by some > illegal means, the officials or whoever could come after me > for return of the money even though I had nothing to do with > how he obtained the money, so I decided it just wasn't worth > the anxiety and sold it for a whole lot less to someone in > the US. > > Richard > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 4:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Selling a Tiger out of the USA > > > > I sold a Mustang to a guy in Germany a few years ago. > He wired the money to > > my account where I confirmed with the bank that he > could no longer remove it > > and it was good. I then sent a copy, as I recall, of > the title to him via > > fax. Teh original stuff all went with the car when it > was picked up. He > > arranged the shipping and had a truck come to pick up > the car at my house > > for shipping to the dock for sending via ship. I did > drive the car about a > > mile to where it was convenient to get on the truck. > As I recall I left the > > plates on it as well. It all went well. Truth of the > matter all the risk was > > on his side but I had sent him a pile of pictures and > we emailed a long > > time. He had sent me a deposit to hold the car. > > > > Given I had never sent a car to Germany before I asked > him to send me a > > picture of the car by his house. He emailed me one > several weeks later. Took > > awhile to get the car. > > > > Curt Hoffman > > > > > >> TERRY MORRIS wrote: > >>> I have a offer to sell my Tiger to a person in > Germany. How do I go > >>> about the plates and registration on it if I > sell it? The plates are > >>> personal plates, do I remove them or do I > leave them on the car? > >>> Should I schedule an appt. with CA DMV? I know > you guys will help I've > >>> been a lurker here a long time and have gotten > a lot of info from you > >>> off the list. > > > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif > which had a name of clip_image002.gif] > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 8 19:07:45 2009 From: cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net (Chris Richards) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 18:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Looking for 2.73 gear set Message-ID: <716282.93688.qm@web80503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey- I'm looking for some usable stock gears for a Tiger rear differential. I have a set of 3.55 and also a posi 4.55 unit available for trade of sale. Regards-Chris From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 20:10:34 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:10:34 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Looking for 2.73 gear set In-Reply-To: <716282.93688.qm@web80503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <716282.93688.qm@web80503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Chris, When you say stock.. do you mean spline count? The stock Tiger ratio is 2.88 not .73 2009/7/9 Chris Richards > Hey- > > I'm looking for some usable stock gears for a Tiger rear differential. I > have > a set of 3.55 and also a posi 4.55 unit available for trade of sale. > > Regards-Chris > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > -- Regards Michael King From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Wed Jul 8 22:44:45 2009 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 23:44:45 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Steering column Message-ID: <5FE1CBD2C1414308A76FBBC3499D004E@JEPHome> I've installed Dale's Ackerman kit and now I realize that I should have marked the correct position of the steering column. Can someone give me a measurement from the clamp under the hood to the end of the column? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From robin02 at mindspring.com Thu Jul 9 09:03:40 2009 From: robin02 at mindspring.com (Robin Young) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:03:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Steering column In-Reply-To: <5FE1CBD2C1414308A76FBBC3499D004E@JEPHome> References: <5FE1CBD2C1414308A76FBBC3499D004E@JEPHome> Message-ID: Jim, I also have Dales Kit. The distance from the clamp to the u-joint is 3 15/16". There is about a 1/8" of spline showing outside the u-joint on the steering column. RObin Subject: [Tigers] Steering column I've installed Dale's Ackerman kit and now I realize that I should have marked the correct position of the steering column. Can someone give me a measurement from the clamp under the hood to the end of the column? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From sganz at pacbell.net Thu Jul 9 11:08:53 2009 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Looking for 2.73 gear set Message-ID: <637358.56677.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If you want to come an yank the rear out of my tiger you can have the 2.88's and axles. I'm in So. Cal. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Chris Richards To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009 6:07:45 PM Subject: [Tigers] Looking for 2.73 gear set Hey- I'm looking for some usable stock gears for a Tiger rear differential. I have a set of 3.55 and also a posi 4.55 unit available for trade of sale. Regards-Chris _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 9 19:30:14 2009 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (J. Nichols) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 21:30:14 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hurst Shifter Info Needed. Message-ID: <004301ca00fd$f9bd7770$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Now that the transmission is out of my car, I'm thinking of putting in a Hurst Shifter and have a few questions for the owners who have done the swap. Is this just a bolt in replacement without any modifications to the transmission tunnel? What about the reverse lockout, it looks like the Hurst doesn't have one. Can I just use the stock boot and ring even though the Hurst handle is rectangular instead of round like the Ford shifter. Thanks in advance for any info. Jeff From michael.s.king at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 01:10:22 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:10:22 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Hurst Shifter Info Needed. In-Reply-To: <004301ca00fd$f9bd7770$6401a8c0@your03667082de> References: <004301ca00fd$f9bd7770$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: Hurst shifter: - It should be a bolt on, has different linkages included. - No mods to the tunnel are needed - There is no lock out... be careful! - stock ring is fine, stock boot stretches round the hurst shifter. Running a Hurst shifter on my MKIA BTW.. think its dave/dan williams? that sells a repro ford shifter that bolts onto the hurst kit.. the lockout is a dummy though. -- Regards Michael King From achd73 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 10 06:46:39 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Hurst Shifter Info Needed. Message-ID: <579848.17509.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff- In 72 or 73 I bought a Hurst shifter for my Mk1A. I remember when I ordered it from the local speed shop, they listed two different shifters. The one I got didnt bolt up. It came with a plate that bolted to the tranny, like a stock shifter but that plate didnt fit and I wasnt smart enough to return it. Instead I made it work by using the stock plate and the provided plate- bolting the stock plate on, I then drilled and bolted the Hurst plate to the orginal. The shifter was such an improvement, I was elated. I no longer floated the vlaves and then missed second gear, I no longer was under the car, trying to get it UNHUNG between reverse and first gear. My stock shifter was worn out or perhaps just needed taken apart, cleaned, lubed and reassembld. I was 19 years old and not very smart. Too, I had to trim the tunnel to make things work. Now Im certain all I had to do was return that shifter and get the right one or just get the correct backing plate. Hurst also makes a round ball shifter if you prefer it to the T-handle shifter. Im lucky enough to be running a 5 speed now but if I wasnt, I would definitly return to the Hurst, especially if you drive the Tiger agressively. Im guessing the early Tiger or the Mk2, one or the other used a different tranny than the 1A cars. There has been one on epay for awhile. Its priced decent and the seller rebuilds shifters for a living.Just for comparison purposes. Cheers, TtT --- On Thu, 7/9/09, J. Nichols wrote: > From: J. Nichols > Subject: [Tigers] Hurst Shifter Info Needed. > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, July 9, 2009, 8:30 PM > Now that the transmission is out of > my car, I'm thinking of putting in a Hurst > Shifter and have a few questions for the owners who have > done the swap. Is > this just a bolt in replacement without any modifications > to the transmission > tunnel? What about the reverse lockout, it looks like > the Hurst doesn't have > one. Can I just use the stock boot and ring even > though the Hurst handle is > rectangular instead of round like the Ford shifter. > Thanks in advance for any > info. > > > > > > > > > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From cmeinel464 at aol.com Fri Jul 10 10:50:43 2009 From: cmeinel464 at aol.com (cmeinel464 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:50:43 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] AOL and Team.Net In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBCF95B2B3C927-F54-5B4@webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com> I have the same isssue, haven't seen any post on either the Alpine or tiger list in a few months. Curt meinel Classic Sunbeam Inc. -----Original Message----- From: UnclStevie at aol.com To: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com; Lfm614 at aol.com; TRBILBO at aol.com; CarlSereda at aol.com; mark at bradakis.com; DavidK1069 at aol.com Cc: aol-list at bradakis.com Sent: Fri, Jul 10, 2009 12:45 pm Subject: Re: AOL and Team.Net Looks like we could be back. If you get the email to "re-inlist" do so. Follow the directions in the email. Let's all pray to the Brit car gods. ? Stephen Edelstein UnclStevie at aol.com 212.666.9198 ? In a message dated 7/10/2009 12:29:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, FHSLOTH13 at aol.com writes: I have the same problem, no mail for about two months and did not change anything. ? Fred Baum A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! From dave at munroe.ca Fri Jul 10 14:03:53 2009 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:03:53 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Steering Rack Rebuilds In-Reply-To: <1346106066.814251247086362235.JavaMail.root@sz0158a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1346106066.814251247086362235.JavaMail.root@sz0158a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <126A51D6FFB647E39F0B48DDDF4CE8AE@DavePC> My steering rack inner tie rod end had enough play in it that it just failed our regional safety check. I recall seeing a reference to someone who rebuilds these racks, but can't find the post. does anyone recall who does this work? (I can't use a Dale's Midget kit because my large alloy rad that would interfere with the larger mount brackets.) Many thanks for an address or 'phone number. Dave From dave at munroe.ca Fri Jul 10 14:05:22 2009 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:05:22 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Tiger Steering Rack Rebuilds Message-ID: <6CDD2B7495844F0D9330AEB77ACD679A@DavePC> Hi guys; My steering rack inner tie rod end had enough play in it that it just failed our regional safety check. I recall seeing a reference to someone who rebuilds these racks, but can't find the post. does anyone recall who does this work? (I can't use a Dale's Midget kit because my large alloy rad that would interfere with the larger mount brackets.) Many thanks for an address or 'phone number. Dave From robin02 at mindspring.com Fri Jul 10 14:55:09 2009 From: robin02 at mindspring.com (Robin Young) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:55:09 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Tiger Steering Rack Rebuilds In-Reply-To: <6CDD2B7495844F0D9330AEB77ACD679A@DavePC> References: <6CDD2B7495844F0D9330AEB77ACD679A@DavePC> Message-ID: <177F6ABFC99C48C8A8B3CFAF5EA042E0@RobinLaptop> Dave, last I heard, Dale has a shelf full of Tiger racks he has removed. He may do an exchange with you. Robin Young Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Tiger Steering Rack Rebuilds Hi guys; My steering rack inner tie rod end had enough play in it that it just failed our regional safety check. I recall seeing a reference to someone who rebuilds these racks, but can't find the post. does anyone recall who does this work? (I can't use a Dale's Midget kit because my large alloy rad that would interfere with the larger mount brackets.) Many thanks for an address or 'phone number. Dave From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Fri Jul 10 16:37:55 2009 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:37:55 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Tiger Steering Rack Rebuilds In-Reply-To: <177F6ABFC99C48C8A8B3CFAF5EA042E0@RobinLaptop> References: <6CDD2B7495844F0D9330AEB77ACD679A@DavePC> <177F6ABFC99C48C8A8B3CFAF5EA042E0@RobinLaptop> Message-ID: Actually, Dale's MG kit gives more radiator clearance than a stock Tiger rack. (I just confirmed that with a phone call to him.) Or he can rebuild your rack. Or you make him very happy and buy one of his new drop-in crossmembers which includes a custom rack like he had on the car that he showed at SUNI. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Young" To: "'Dave Munroe'" ; Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Tiger Steering Rack Rebuilds > Dave, last I heard, Dale has a shelf full of Tiger racks he has removed. > He > may do an exchange with you. Robin Young > > > > Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Tiger Steering Rack Rebuilds > > Hi guys; > > > My steering rack inner tie rod end had enough play in it that it just > failed our regional safety check. I recall seeing a reference to someone > who rebuilds these racks, but can't find the post. > > does anyone recall who does this work? > > (I can't use a Dale's Midget kit because my large alloy rad that would > interfere with the larger mount brackets.) > > Many thanks for an address or 'phone number. > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From DJoh797014 at aol.com Fri Jul 10 16:54:54 2009 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:54:54 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Someone send a msgs to me please Message-ID: Need to see if my AOL problem is fixed Thanks Dave **************Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) From cmccann at lwpb.com Fri Jul 10 17:05:56 2009 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:05:56 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Someone send a msgs to me please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <165066C8-4A80-4504-B3A5-368D0FC7843B@lwpb.com> Testing testing....... On Jul 10, 2009, at 5:55 PM, "DJoh797014 at aol.com" wrote: > Need to see if my AOL problem is fixed > > Thanks > > Dave > **************Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL > Personals. > (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From DJoh797014 at aol.com Fri Jul 10 18:01:59 2009 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:01:59 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Hurray AOL works Message-ID: Thanks everyone for the reply. It looks like I'm on the air again. Dave **************Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) From mmichels at socal.rr.com Fri Jul 10 21:47:14 2009 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:47:14 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Selling a Tiger out of the USA References: <171257.21869.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8FCE34A3F6294C3C92E4C11EC414EC29@delldimension> In california, "vanity" plates belong to the person and not the car. When I bought my car I wanted the vanity plate that the previous owner had. Technically he would have had to relinquish it and then I would have had to apply for it, running the risk of losing it to somebody else. Fortunately we found a helpful supervisor who did the whole process on the spot. I suppose they can go overseas with the car, but I think you would need to file a certificate of non operation to avoid yearly license fee renewal. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Somebody" To: ; "TERRY MORRIS" Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Selling a Tiger out of the USA > Terry- Im not from Ca. and if memory serves they might be a state where > the > plates stay w/the auto they where issused to. BUT, tyhe car is leaving the > country. The new byer needs th title and that all he needs. Germany has no > intrest in if the car was registered in Ca. WVa or Ind. Remove the plates > and > any and all paper work with your name, address etc. from the car and ship > it > to the new owner. I would think mailing the title with a received return > receipt paid for by yourself and the spare keys would suffice. > TtT > > --- On Tue, 7/7/09, TERRY MORRIS wrote: > >> From: TERRY MORRIS >> Subject: [Tigers] Selling a Tiger out of the USA >> To: tigers at autox.team.net >> Date: Tuesday, July 7, 2009, 6:20 PM >> I have a offer to sell my Tiger to a >> person in Germany. How do I go >> about the plates and registration on it if I sell it? The >> plates are >> personal plates, do I remove them or do I leave them on the >> car? >> Should I schedule an appt. with CA DMV? I know you guys >> will help I've >> been a lurker here a long time and have gotten a lot of >> info from you >> off the list. >> >> Thanks Terry >> Bakersfield, CA >> B382002178 >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From sunbeams at sc.rr.com Sat Jul 11 11:14:13 2009 From: sunbeams at sc.rr.com (Eric Gibeaut) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:14:13 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam SOS in Columbia, South Carolina Sept. 12th References: <8CBCF95B2B3C927-F54-5B4@webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <00c601ca024b$03a41c50$6501a8c0@DFBHD491> Come join a crowd of Sunbeam owners at the 3rd Annual Sunbeam Owners of the South car show and Sunbeam weekend. We will have a group drive, picnic, photo shoot, ice cream run, BBQ drive, swap meet, hospitality suite and lots of Sunbeam talk. On Sept. 12th we will join up with the local Columbia British car club at their annual show at a beautiful lakeside park that has lots of shade. Don't miss the fun! All Rootes cars are welcome. See this website for more information and registration for the show and hotel info. http://www.bccmc.com/index.php/carolina_british_classics_iii/ Tentative schedule for the SOS Dates for event September 11th - 13th, 2009 Location is Columbia, South Carolina Host Motel is The Hampton Inn - Vista Location Web Site for Motel: http://hamptoninn.hilton.com/en/hp/g...11/index.jhtml Registration Form for car show on Saturday: http://www.capitalfinancialpartners....gistration.pdf Tentative agenda: September 11th, 2009 Meet at the Hampton Inn - Vista location at 3:00pm At 3:30 PM Leave the Hampton Inn in a Sunbeam convoy to Lake Murray drive across the Saluda Shoals dam (Lake Murray dam) Then into the park area around 4:00pm. At 4:00pm we will have a professional photo shoot with the lake in the background. To have you and your car in the photo shoot is $10.00 per car. At 4:30 PM we leave the photo area and go 500 feet to the cookout shelter. >From 4:30 PM to 6:00 PM we will have our cookout, parts swap and meeting on the planning of Invasion 2010. At 6:00 PM we will convoy about 8 miles to a local deli for our Ice Cream dessert. At 7:00 PM we will drive back to the Hampton Inn - Vista for the hospitality party that runs till 10:00 PM On September 12th, 2009 The group will enjoy the all British car show - Carolina British Classics III at Weston Lake till 4:00 PM. Registration for the show starts at 8:30 AM through 12:00 noon. At 4:30 PM we will convoy to a BBQ restaurant in Elgin, SC for dinner together. This will be about a 20 mile convoy together. At 6:30 PM we will leave to go to Eric Gibeaut's house to tour his collection of Sunbeams, Minis and other British memorabilia. This is only about 2 miles from the BBQ restaurant. After dinner we will convoy back to the Hampton Inn and enjoy some free time in the Vista where the party is always going on. On September 13th, 2009 We have the hospitality room reserved for our group if we want to use it for something on Sunday morning - this is yet to be determined. We could use it as our breakfast area. From cars at wt-inc.com Sat Jul 11 11:30:22 2009 From: cars at wt-inc.com (Lynn Wall) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:30:22 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Tiger Steering Rack Rebuilds In-Reply-To: References: <6CDD2B7495844F0D9330AEB77ACD679A@DavePC> <177F6ABFC99C48C8A8B3CFAF5EA042E0@RobinLaptop> Message-ID: <000301ca024d$45cfbce0$d16f36a0$@com> I recommend the second option :>) -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Buck Trippel Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 4:38 PM To: robin02 at mindspring.com; 'Dave Munroe'; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Tiger Steering Rack Rebuilds Actually, Dale's MG kit gives more radiator clearance than a stock Tiger rack. (I just confirmed that with a phone call to him.) Or he can rebuild your rack. Or you make him very happy and buy one of his new drop-in crossmembers which includes a custom rack like he had on the car that he showed at SUNI. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Young" To: "'Dave Munroe'" ; Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Tiger Steering Rack Rebuilds > Dave, last I heard, Dale has a shelf full of Tiger racks he has removed. > He > may do an exchange with you. Robin Young > > > > Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Tiger Steering Rack Rebuilds > > Hi guys; > > > My steering rack inner tie rod end had enough play in it that it just > failed our regional safety check. I recall seeing a reference to someone > who rebuilds these racks, but can't find the post. > > does anyone recall who does this work? > > (I can't use a Dale's Midget kit because my large alloy rad that would > interfere with the larger mount brackets.) > > Many thanks for an address or 'phone number. > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From cars at wt-inc.com Sat Jul 11 11:44:04 2009 From: cars at wt-inc.com (Lynn Wall) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:44:04 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Be still your troubled hearts Message-ID: <000401ca024f$2efd3ae0$8cf7b0a0$@com> Wow you won't believe what happened today!!! For all those that don't know I had a very expensive part purloined from me at SUNI. After much wailing and gnashing of teeth, (and a particularly nasty wish offered by Theo), the thief apparently is attempting to find his way back from the dark side. I received in the mail today a very non-descript, well packed box containing my parts. They were wrapped in the same plastic I had them in at the SUNI. No, I will not disclose the return address in hopes that the other purloined parts eventually find their way back to the rightful owners but I am thinking of testing them for finger prints, mitochondrial DNA and blood splatter (just in case) This day just got better, and it was pretty good to begin with Lynn From achd73 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 11 12:00:46 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Be still your troubled hearts Message-ID: <773655.30133.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Lynn- I even feel better myself. Im glad for you and for the person who borrowed the parts, Im elated he realized how well he could have been liked and how close he was to being strongly disliked. To whomever it was, it ook a much BIGGER man to retun the parts than the little guy that borrowed them to start with. Congrats to both you and Lynn. TtT --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Lynn Wall wrote: > From: Lynn Wall > Subject: [Tigers] Be still your troubled hearts > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 12:44 PM > Wow you won't believe what happened > today!!! > > > > For all those that don't know I had a very expensive part > purloined from me > at SUNI. After much wailing and gnashing of teeth, > (and a particularly > nasty wish offered by Theo), the thief apparently is > attempting to find his > way back from the dark side. > > > > I received in the mail today a very non-descript, well > packed box containing > my parts. They were wrapped in the same plastic I had > them in at the SUNI. > > > > No, I will not disclose the return address in hopes that > the other purloined > parts eventually find their way back to the rightful owners > but I am > thinking of testing them for finger prints, mitochondrial > DNA and blood > splatter (just in case) > > > > This day just got better, and it was pretty good to begin > with > > > > Lynn > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Sat Jul 11 12:19:25 2009 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:19:25 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Be still your troubled hearts In-Reply-To: <773655.30133.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <773655.30133.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401ca0254$1f50ae10$5df20a30$@rr.com> Bravo! What state were they shipped from.....will you give us that? Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 13:01 To: tigers at autox.team.net; Lynn Wall Subject: Re: [Tigers] Be still your troubled hearts Lynn- I even feel better myself. Im glad for you and for the person who borrowed the parts, Im elated he realized how well he could have been liked and how close he was to being strongly disliked. To whomever it was, it ook a much BIGGER man to retun the parts than the little guy that borrowed them to start with. Congrats to both you and Lynn. TtT --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Lynn Wall wrote: > From: Lynn Wall > Subject: [Tigers] Be still your troubled hearts > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 12:44 PM > Wow you won't believe what happened > today!!! > > > > For all those that don't know I had a very expensive part > purloined from me > at SUNI. After much wailing and gnashing of teeth, > (and a particularly > nasty wish offered by Theo), the thief apparently is > attempting to find his > way back from the dark side. > > > > I received in the mail today a very non-descript, well > packed box containing > my parts. They were wrapped in the same plastic I had > them in at the SUNI. > > > > No, I will not disclose the return address in hopes that > the other purloined > parts eventually find their way back to the rightful owners > but I am > thinking of testing them for finger prints, mitochondrial > DNA and blood > splatter (just in case) > > > > This day just got better, and it was pretty good to begin > with > > > > Lynn > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From achd73 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 11 12:55:24 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] help w/a Shelby part number Message-ID: <115135.13120.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yesterday I was in the back yard storage building and happened upon the box my accel distributor came in. Feeling heavy I opened it to find the dist. the PO had installed in my Mk1. I then remembered I also purchased two others at Suni for the purpose of reselling them. All 3 are dual point Mallory distributors but one and Im not sure if it was my orginal or one I just bought, has a Shelby tag in place of the Mallory on the other 2 units. Now my mind goes to thinking that this has to be an orginal Shelby car SBF part. Which car is anyones guess but obviously made by Mallory for Mr.Shelby. Try as I might I couldnt match the numbers with any on the net BUT I also wasnt able to get the proper place to find out what the numbers would indicate. If anyone, perhaps a Cobra owner as I know we have a few amongest our group, can shed any light on what the distributor was used in, it would be greatly appreciated. Under Shelby on the tag is GF JA-B ( it appears to have a space between the F and the J) Under Mallory to the right is YL 5551-A2 I found a number that was close but was a FE number, which I think refers to a big block as opposed to the FE on our VIN tags standing for Ford Engine. Thannks in advance for anyone that might know how to find the car that this was used on. TonytheTiger From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Sat Jul 11 12:57:38 2009 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo)) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:57:38 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Be still your troubled hearts In-Reply-To: <000401ca0254$1f50ae10$5df20a30$@rr.com> References: <773655.30133.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000401ca0254$1f50ae10$5df20a30$@rr.com> Message-ID: <006AE7092B1F409DA8DF76DA7B7B8E8B@jerry> So glad to hear you got some of your things back. When I was at United XXVI in Covington, KY in Oct 06 someone "lifted" my hat, well the hat didn't have much value, but the pins I had on the hat had a great deal of value to me. Most of the planes I flew and retirement pins and union pins, military pins, etc. had virtually no value to anyone else. I would have gladly given the hat to someone needing it, without the pins. I'm still trying to replace them. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Samouce's Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 1:19 PM To: 'Tony Somebody'; tigers at autox.team.net; 'Lynn Wall' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Be still your troubled hearts Bravo! What state were they shipped from.....will you give us that? Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 13:01 To: tigers at autox.team.net; Lynn Wall Subject: Re: [Tigers] Be still your troubled hearts Lynn- I even feel better myself. Im glad for you and for the person who borrowed the parts, Im elated he realized how well he could have been liked and how close he was to being strongly disliked. To whomever it was, it ook a much BIGGER man to retun the parts than the little guy that borrowed them to start with. Congrats to both you and Lynn. TtT --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Lynn Wall wrote: > From: Lynn Wall > Subject: [Tigers] Be still your troubled hearts > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 12:44 PM > Wow you won't believe what happened > today!!! > > > > For all those that don't know I had a very expensive part > purloined from me > at SUNI. After much wailing and gnashing of teeth, > (and a particularly > nasty wish offered by Theo), the thief apparently is > attempting to find his > way back from the dark side. > > > > I received in the mail today a very non-descript, well > packed box containing > my parts. They were wrapped in the same plastic I had > them in at the SUNI. > > > > No, I will not disclose the return address in hopes that > the other purloined > parts eventually find their way back to the rightful owners > but I am > thinking of testing them for finger prints, mitochondrial > DNA and blood > splatter (just in case) > > > > This day just got better, and it was pretty good to begin > with > > > > Lynn > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From awtiger at cox.net Sat Jul 11 13:13:25 2009 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:13:25 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Be still your troubled hearts In-Reply-To: <000401ca024f$2efd3ae0$8cf7b0a0$@com> References: <000401ca024f$2efd3ae0$8cf7b0a0$@com> Message-ID: Excellent news! Evidendently, Theo's voodoo spell worked and the guy got nervous. Glad you got your stuff back. It's still quite irksome, however, that it was taken in the first place... Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740) B8006857LRX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Wall" To: Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 12:44 PM Subject: [Tigers] Be still your troubled hearts > Wow you won't believe what happened today!!! > > > > For all those that don't know I had a very expensive part purloined from > me > at SUNI. After much wailing and gnashing of teeth, (and a particularly > nasty wish offered by Theo), the thief apparently is attempting to find > his > way back from the dark side. > > > > I received in the mail today a very non-descript, well packed box > containing > my parts. They were wrapped in the same plastic I had them in at the > SUNI. > > > > No, I will not disclose the return address in hopes that the other > purloined > parts eventually find their way back to the rightful owners but I am > thinking of testing them for finger prints, mitochondrial DNA and blood > splatter (just in case) > > > > This day just got better, and it was pretty good to begin with > > > > Lynn > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Sat Jul 11 13:35:15 2009 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:35:15 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Be still your troubled hearts References: <000401ca024f$2efd3ae0$8cf7b0a0$@com> Message-ID: <792F35CF46B040C0B5EC0C3590F4DF3C@your4dacd0ea75> Lynn, This could form the pilot episode for the new CBS series, "CSI, Salt Lake" or should that be "CSI, Rapid City"? bt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Wall" > ...but I am > thinking of testing them for finger prints, mitochondrial DNA and blood > splatter (just in case) From dsmtjoy at cox.net Sat Jul 11 14:17:20 2009 From: dsmtjoy at cox.net (Mountjoy) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:17:20 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 265 References: Message-ID: <46E1F70D750E40B4820B7BD5F4DD2957@computer> Congratulations Lynn. We can only hope others people's missing parts will present themselves as well. (Thanlks again for coming all the way from Texas to TU a year ago.) Darrell ----- Original Message ----- Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 11:44:04 -0600 From: "Lynn Wall" Subject: [Tigers] Be still your troubled hearts To: Message-ID: <000401ca024f$2efd3ae0$8cf7b0a0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Wow you won't believe what happened today!!! For all those that don't know I had a very expensive part purloined from me at SUNI. After much wailing and gnashing of teeth, (and a particularly nasty wish offered by Theo), the thief apparently is attempting to find his way back from the dark side. I received in the mail today a very non-descript, well packed box containing my parts. They were wrapped in the same plastic I had them in at the SUNI. No, I will not disclose the return address in hopes that the other purloined parts eventually find their way back to the rightful owners but I am thinking of testing them for finger prints, mitochondrial DNA and blood splatter (just in case) This day just got better, and it was pretty good to begin with Lynn From moonstonetiger at gmail.com Sat Jul 11 14:31:54 2009 From: moonstonetiger at gmail.com (sean ford) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:31:54 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: moonstonetiger at gmail.com From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 11 15:06:27 2009 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] help w/a Shelby part number Message-ID: <157245.79959.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Tony, Try this link... scroll down to distributors. You'll find the GFJAB tag on one of the distributors. Hope this helps. Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: [Tigers] help w/a Shelby part number To: "Beamclub" Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 2:55 PM Yesterday I was in the back yard storage building and happened upon the box my accel distributor came in. Feeling heavy I opened it to find the dist. the PO had installed in my Mk1. I then remembered I also purchased two others at Suni for the purpose of reselling them. All 3 are dual point Mallory distributors but one and Im not sure if it was my orginal or one I just bought, has a Shelby tag in place of the Mallory on the other 2 units. Now my mind goes to thinking that this has to be an orginal Shelby car SBF part. Which car is anyones guess but obviously made by Mallory for Mr.Shelby. Try as I might I couldnt match the numbers with any on the net BUT I also wasnt able to get the proper place to find out what the numbers would indicate. If anyone, perhaps a Cobra owner as I know we have a few amongest our group, can shed any light on what the distributor was used in, it would be greatly appreciated. Under Shelby on the tag is GF JA-B ( it appears to have a space between the F and the J) Under Mallory to the right is YL 5551-A2 I found a number that was close but was a FE number, which I think refers to a big block as opposed to the FE on our VIN tags standing for Ford Engine. Thannks in advance for anyone that might know how to find the car that this was used on. TonytheTiger Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 11 15:07:31 2009 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:07:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] help w/a Shelby part number Message-ID: <669312.83359.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You probably want the link, huh? http://www.justmustangs.com.au/shelby-parts/shelby-suspension.pdf Bill --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: [Tigers] help w/a Shelby part number To: "Beamclub" Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 2:55 PM Yesterday I was in the back yard storage building and happened upon the box my accel distributor came in. Feeling heavy I opened it to find the dist. the PO had installed in my Mk1. I then remembered I also purchased two others at Suni for the purpose of reselling them. All 3 are dual point Mallory distributors but one and Im not sure if it was my orginal or one I just bought, has a Shelby tag in place of the Mallory on the other 2 units. Now my mind goes to thinking that this has to be an orginal Shelby car SBF part. Which car is anyones guess but obviously made by Mallory for Mr.Shelby. Try as I might I couldnt match the numbers with any on the net BUT I also wasnt able to get the proper place to find out what the numbers would indicate. If anyone, perhaps a Cobra owner as I know we have a few amongest our group, can shed any light on what the distributor was used in, it would be greatly appreciated. Under Shelby on the tag is GF JA-B ( it appears to have a space between the F and the J) Under Mallory to the right is YL 5551-A2 I found a number that was close but was a FE number, which I think refers to a big block as opposed to the FE on our VIN tags standing for Ford Engine. Thannks in advance for anyone that might know how to find the car that this was used on. TonytheTiger Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From dsmtjoy at cox.net Sat Jul 11 17:01:38 2009 From: dsmtjoy at cox.net (Mountjoy) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:01:38 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 266 References: Message-ID: <88656C0FC12544519C64B29D328E92D2@computer> Tony, Good find in the shed ! Could that be considered a "barn find"? About distributors, The SBF Cobras used the 260 and 289HP motors. The 260 cars (CSX 2000 - CSX 2075) came with a single point, vacuum advance distributor whereas the 289 cars (CSX 2076 - CSX 2589) came with dual point, centrifugal advance distributors. These were Ford's Autolite brand and had a base part number of 12127. BTW, the 427 Cobra's distributor was also an Autolite, dual point, mechanical advance unit with the same base number. The distributor for the 260 Cobras was C3OF-12127-G.* The distributor for the 289 Cobras was C5AF-12127-F.* The distributor for the 427 Cobras was C5AF-12127-E.* *(This information from the Shelby American Registry.) The attached charts (sorry listers) may be useful in providing additional information and are from "Ford High performance Parts Identifier", Robert Winkleman, published by Sunset Mustang. The attached pics are of CSX 2295. They don't show the distributor too well but it is "buried" with hoses and wires surrounding it so I wasn't able to get a clear pic. The first generation Shelbys ('65 & '66) used the same Ford 289HP motor with the same distributor as the cobras. I don't know about later Shelbys. Sorry, this probably isn't the information you were hoping to hear. Have you tried looking around the Mallory site to see what they have to say? Darrell ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tony Somebody > Subject: [Tigers] help w/a Shelby part number > To: "Beamclub" > Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 2:55 PM > > Yesterday I was in the back yard storage building and happened upon the > box my > accel distributor came in. Feeling heavy I opened it to find the dist. the > PO > had installed in my Mk1. I then remembered I also purchased two others at > Suni > for the purpose of reselling them. All 3 are dual point Mallory > distributors > but one and Im not sure if it was my orginal or one I just bought, has a > Shelby tag in place of the Mallory on the other 2 units. Now my mind goes > to > thinking that this has to be an orginal Shelby car SBF part. Which car is > anyones guess but obviously made by Mallory for Mr.Shelby. Try as I might > I > couldnt match the numbers with any on the net BUT I also wasnt able to get > the > proper place to find out what the numbers would indicate. If anyone, > perhaps a > Cobra owner as I know we have a few amongest our group, can shed any light > on > what the distributor was used in, it would be greatly appreciated. Under > Shelby on the tag is GF JA-B ( it appears > to > have a space between the F and the J) Under Mallory to the right is YL > 5551-A2 I found a number that was close but was a FE number, which I > think > refers to a big block as opposed to the FE on our VIN tags standing for > Ford > Engine. > Thannks in advance for anyone that might know how to find the car that > this > was used on. > TonytheTiger [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of P1050162.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of P1050163.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of P1050164.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of #1 csx 2295.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 1 003.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 1 002.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 1 001.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 1 000.jpg] From DJoh797014 at aol.com Sat Jul 11 18:11:25 2009 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:11:25 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Question for List Administrator Message-ID: I'm glad that trhe AOL connection is working. I received an auto message from the List administrator saying I would be inactivated because of the excessive bounces from AOL, unless I responded in 3 days. I responded that minute. But I have nothing to confirm you got the message. Please Listmeister keep _Djoh797014 at aol.com_ (mailto:Djoh797014 at aol.com) on the active list and send a reply that you have. Thanks Dave Johnson **************Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) From spook01 at comcast.net Sat Jul 11 21:10:34 2009 From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 03:10:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Be still your troubled hearts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1466175653.536291247368234848.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> the return address wasn't a Sacramento return address was it?B i heard the gubmunt was short. ----- Original Message ----- From: " awtiger " < awtiger @cox.net> To: "Lynn Wall" , tigers@ autox .team.net Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 2:13:25 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Tigers] Be still your troubled hearts Excellent news! B Evidendently , Theo's voodoo spell worked and the guy got nervous. B Glad you got your stuff back. B It's still quite irksome, however, that it was taken in the first place... Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE ( TAC #740) B8006857LRX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Wall" To: Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 12:44 PM Subject: [Tigers] Be still your troubled hearts > Wow you won't believe what happened today!!! > > > > For all those that don't know I had a very expensive part purloined from > me > at SUNI . B After much wailing and gnashing of teeth, (and a particularly > nasty wish offered by Theo), the thief apparently is attempting to find > his > way back from the dark side. > > > > I received in the mail today a very non-descript, well packed box > containing > my parts. B They were wrapped in the same plastic I had them in at the > SUNI . > > > > No, I will not disclose the return address in hopes that the other > purloined > parts eventually find their way back to the rightful owners but I am > thinking of testing them for finger prints, mitochondrial DNA and blood > splatter (just in case) > > > > This day just got better, and it was pretty good to begin with > > > > Lynn > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net B http :// www .team.net/donate. html > > Tigers@ autox .team.net > http :// autox .team.net/mailman/ listinfo /tigers > > http :// www .team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net B http :// www .team.net/donate. html Tigers@ autox .team.net http :// autox .team.net/mailman/ listinfo /tigers http :// www .team.net/archive From dsmtjoy at cox.net Sat Jul 11 22:35:39 2009 From: dsmtjoy at cox.net (Mountjoy) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:35:39 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 266 References: <88656C0FC12544519C64B29D328E92D2@computer> <22507f140907111742h39aa3cd8j4cddd0cfaa8b571@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Kevin, >From your prefix, C5OF, you may have a HiPo distributor. You need to look at the suffix to positively ID it. Attached are some charts that may help. Remember though, Tigers were not issued with HiPo motors and mechanical advance distributors. They all had vacuum advance systems. All MK I and MK Ia Tigers came originally with 260 CID motors and MK II Tigers with 289 motors. Digging a little further, from Bob Mannel's book on the Mustang &Ford Small Block V8 1962 - 1969, Appendix D (attached) shows only one "C5OF" distributor, a C5OF-12127-E, and it's application is listed for the 289 HiPo motor in the Fairlane, Torino, Comet/Cyclone, and Mustang. So it appears you have a HiPo distributor. "Right" for your '65 MK I? That's up to you. Original? No. A very cool piece of hardware? Definitely. My MK I had a HiPo motor when I bought it way back when so I'm not sure what the correct/original distributor was. I'm sure there are others on the list who do. Cheers, Darrell ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin beck To: Mountjoy Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 266 After reading e-mail had to see what # was on my dist. looked like C5OF 12127 is this right for my 65MK1? thanks tony always nice to find parts . nice find [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 1 002.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 1 001.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 1 000.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of dist 2.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of dist 1.jpg] From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sun Jul 12 07:13:36 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:13:36 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 266 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8B8C1EE27014489E97A112F7B01DA5FC@ronpc1> I'm not sure if the distributor for the Tiger does not have a unique number; I only have the one that came in my Tiger as reference. Z5TF-12127-C; I thought for some time that this was a replacement distributor because of the odd number. I then looked at the date code under that number; 4MB, Dec 1964, 2nd week. The date code is correct for the engine build date. I don't know if Ford used the Z5TF to indicate export or not. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mountjoy Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 12:36 AM To: kevin beck Cc: tiger list Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 266 Kevin, >From your prefix, C5OF, you may have a HiPo distributor. You need to >look at the suffix to positively ID it. Attached are some charts that may help. Remember though, Tigers were not issued with HiPo motors and mechanical advance distributors. They all had vacuum advance systems. All MK I and MK Ia Tigers came originally with 260 CID motors and MK II Tigers with 289 motors. Digging a little further, from Bob Mannel's book on the Mustang &Ford Small Block V8 1962 - 1969, Appendix D (attached) shows only one "C5OF" distributor, a C5OF-12127-E, and it's application is listed for the 289 HiPo motor in the Fairlane, Torino, Comet/Cyclone, and Mustang. So it appears you have a HiPo distributor. "Right" for your '65 MK I? That's up to you. Original? No. A very cool piece of hardware? Definitely. My MK I had a HiPo motor when I bought it way back when so I'm not sure what the correct/original distributor was. I'm sure there are others on the list who do. Cheers, Darrell ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin beck To: Mountjoy Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 266 After reading e-mail had to see what # was on my dist. looked like C5OF 12127 is this right for my 65MK1? thanks tony always nice to find parts . nice find [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 1 002.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 1 001.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 1 000.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of dist 2.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of dist 1.jpg] _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.11/2232 - Release Date: 07/11/09 17:56:00 From dsmtjoy at cox.net Sun Jul 12 11:27:09 2009 From: dsmtjoy at cox.net (Mountjoy) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 10:27:09 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 266 References: <8B8C1EE27014489E97A112F7B01DA5FC@ronpc1> Message-ID: Whoa ! Ron, you have one rare distributor. In accordance with Ford's alpha-numeric numbering system we know that, for example, the prefix B7S-xxxx-x would indicate a part for the 1957 Thunderbird, where "B" represents the decade (1950s), "7" represents the year within the decade (seventh year or '57) and "S" represents the car group(Thunderbird). Likewise "C7xx" represents the year 1967, "D7xx" represents the year 1977 and so forth. Extrapolating this numbering system with your distributor prefix we see you have a distributor from the year 2175. I have no idea what application your distributor (TF) is for. ...maybe a Transit of a Fargo. ...or even a Delorean. You been hangin' around "Back to the Future" folk lately? Your clock tower been struck by lightning lately? BTW, with the "C" suffix we do know your 2175 distributor was the third product modification (more power???) Darrell ----- Original Message ----- From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Mountjoy'" ; "'kevin beck'" Cc: "'tiger list'" Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 6:13 AM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 266 I'm not sure if the distributor for the Tiger does not have a unique number; I only have the one that came in my Tiger as reference. Z5TF-12127-C; I thought for some time that this was a replacement distributor because of the odd number. I then looked at the date code under that number; 4MB, Dec 1964, 2nd week. The date code is correct for the engine build date. I don't know if Ford used the Z5TF to indicate export or not. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mountjoy Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 12:36 AM To: kevin beck Cc: tiger list Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 266 Kevin, >From your prefix, C5OF, you may have a HiPo distributor. You need to >look at the suffix to positively ID it. Attached are some charts that may help. Remember though, Tigers were not issued with HiPo motors and mechanical advance distributors. They all had vacuum advance systems. All MK I and MK Ia Tigers came originally with 260 CID motors and MK II Tigers with 289 motors. Digging a little further, from Bob Mannel's book on the Mustang &Ford Small Block V8 1962 - 1969, Appendix D (attached) shows only one "C5OF" distributor, a C5OF-12127-E, and it's application is listed for the 289 HiPo motor in the Fairlane, Torino, Comet/Cyclone, and Mustang. So it appears you have a HiPo distributor. "Right" for your '65 MK I? That's up to you. Original? No. A very cool piece of hardware? Definitely. My MK I had a HiPo motor when I bought it way back when so I'm not sure what the correct/original distributor was. I'm sure there are others on the list who do. Cheers, Darrell ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin beck To: Mountjoy Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 266 After reading e-mail had to see what # was on my dist. looked like C5OF 12127 is this right for my 65MK1? thanks tony always nice to find parts . nice find [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 1 002.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 1 001.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 1 000.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of dist 2.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of dist 1.jpg] _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.11/2232 - Release Date: 07/11/09 17:56:00 From achd73 at yahoo.com Sun Jul 12 13:52:14 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] hospitality suite item left Message-ID: <689875.8781.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm not sure whom to direct this too, so I hope the right person gets to read my request, for lack of a better term. There was a local guy who Mike and I bought some parts from. He wasn't aware of SUNI nor a member, just owned an Alpine, saw the cars and stopped by. He had parts he wanted to sell. I bought a couple, Mike bought some seat covers the last day and while there we put his parts on the table with Mikes and a couple I had purchased to resell. At some point in time he took a picture in a frame had had made himself to the hospitality suite. The pic was of his cat, peering into the front of his Alpine as tho trying to get a look at the engine. Most likely a mouse(from past experience of my own) but what he captured was the cat appearing to be looking inside at what engine the Beam was carrying. Under the glass he put his phone number and if memory serves- "If you need parts- call this number" I didn't see the framed pic and the day he was there to retrieve his unsold parts, he forgot the pic and the next day, the room was cleaned by house keeping and there was no pic to be found. Now the question is, did the people who took care of the HS happen to see the framed pic and save it. Perhaps its still packed away with whatever else was packed up. Its only a guess but I told him earlier today I would ask and see if maybe the framed pic is to be found so it can be returned. He made the frame himself and he's is partial to the pic inside and would be extremely appreciative if someone did put it in a box and he might get lucky. I didn't ask Lynn but I'm certain he would say that miracles do happen and to even more expensive items. I'm certain this items main value is personal and to the rest of us, just a pic of a car and a cat.If anyone knows the person or people that cleaned up after everyone else, would they ask about this pic. Contact me if found and I will make sure your postage is paid and provide the address for Sturat. He doesn't have a computer. I will pay postage, packaging etc. myself if necessary. Thanks in advance. TonytheTiger From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Sun Jul 12 14:36:05 2009 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo)) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:36:05 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 266 In-Reply-To: References: <88656C0FC12544519C64B29D328E92D2@computer><22507f140907111742h39aa3cd8j4cddd0cfaa8b571@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0AF1D2934F55466DBA1E8A09A88398F3@jerry> List, All distributors have mechanical advances. Most have vacuum advance, also - mostly for better fuel economy. Performance distributors only have mechanical advance (289HP), because those engines don't spend much time just cruising, where vacuum advancing gives you more total advance; thus, better fuel economy. The REAL difference in all these distributors (including Tigers) is the "curve" that has been set up in that distributor for a particular engine. There are two criteria: (1) the amount of mechanical advance in degrees determined by the "slots" in the bottom of the distributor (Ford); and, (2) the rate of advancement(springs). To date, I have not found any information that specifically tells me what the actual "curve" looks like for a given numbered distributor. I have graphed the "curve" from the Tiger Shop Manual and found it to be very conservative for both the 260 and 289. I just recurved a new Pertronics distributor for the "Pay it Forward" car (Ford 302), and there are a mind-numbing 78 different "curves" that can be set with this distributor. The Ford is better, though. It has an infinite number of combinations. Ha. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mountjoy Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 11:36 PM To: kevin beck Cc: tiger list Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 266 Kevin, >From your prefix, C5OF, you may have a HiPo distributor. You need to look at the suffix to positively ID it. Attached are some charts that may help. Remember though, Tigers were not issued with HiPo motors and mechanical advance distributors. They all had vacuum advance systems. All MK I and MK Ia Tigers came originally with 260 CID motors and MK II Tigers with 289 motors. Digging a little further, from Bob Mannel's book on the Mustang &Ford Small Block V8 1962 - 1969, Appendix D (attached) shows only one "C5OF" distributor, a C5OF-12127-E, and it's application is listed for the 289 HiPo motor in the Fairlane, Torino, Comet/Cyclone, and Mustang. So it appears you have a HiPo distributor. "Right" for your '65 MK I? That's up to you. Original? No. A very cool piece of hardware? Definitely. My MK I had a HiPo motor when I bought it way back when so I'm not sure what the correct/original distributor was. I'm sure there are others on the list who do. Cheers, Darrell ----- Original Message ----- From: kevin beck To: Mountjoy Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 266 After reading e-mail had to see what # was on my dist. looked like C5OF 12127 is this right for my 65MK1? thanks tony always nice to find parts . nice find [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 1 002.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 1 001.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 1 000.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of dist 2.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of dist 1.jpg] Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tgrrr at peoplepc.com Sun Jul 12 15:40:45 2009 From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:40:45 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 266 References: <88656C0FC12544519C64B29D328E92D2@computer><22507f140907111742h39aa3cd8j4cddd0cfaa8b571@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4168919E905F4BD6B5BE872117028CB8@bob> Just checked the number on an old distributor I have on the shelf. It's a dual point with no provision for vacuum advance. The number is C50F-12131-B Would this be a HiPo unit? Bob H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mountjoy" To: "kevin beck" Cc: "tiger list" Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 266 > Kevin, > >>From your prefix, C5OF, you may have a HiPo distributor. You need to look >>at > the suffix to positively ID it. Attached are some charts that may help. > Remember though, Tigers were not issued with HiPo motors and mechanical > advance distributors. They all had vacuum advance systems. All MK I and > MK > Ia Tigers came originally with 260 CID motors and MK II Tigers with 289 > motors. > > Digging a little further, from Bob Mannel's book on the Mustang &Ford > Small > Block V8 1962 - 1969, Appendix D (attached) shows only one "C5OF" > distributor, > a C5OF-12127-E, and it's application is listed for the 289 HiPo motor in > the > Fairlane, Torino, Comet/Cyclone, and Mustang. So it appears you have a > HiPo > distributor. "Right" for your '65 MK I? That's up to you. Original? > No. A > very cool piece of hardware? Definitely. > > My MK I had a HiPo motor when I bought it way back when so I'm not sure > what > the correct/original distributor was. I'm sure there are others on the > list > who do. > > Cheers, > > Darrell From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sun Jul 12 16:00:42 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:00:42 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 266 In-Reply-To: <4168919E905F4BD6B5BE872117028CB8@bob> Message-ID: <86F5891A67E74B5FB2F256B19DABD51A@ronpc1> Bob Yes the C5OF-12131-B is a HiPo distributor with no vacuum provision. You gave us the casting number off the center section not the distributor ID number. Look for the numbers in a rectangular emboss on the round upper part with a FoMoCo symbol. You should find a 12127 number with a date code underneath. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Hokanson Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:41 PM To: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 266 Just checked the number on an old distributor I have on the shelf. It's a dual point with no provision for vacuum advance. The number is C50F-12131-B Would this be a HiPo unit? Bob H - From dsmtjoy at cox.net Sun Jul 12 16:46:20 2009 From: dsmtjoy at cox.net (Mountjoy) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:46:20 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 266 References: <20E76158698341B6B8194D6F6648E59D@ronpc1> Message-ID: Ron, You're a good man. I hadn't gotten to it yet. Jerry, I highly recommend the Mannel book. It is incredibly comprehensive, year by year. It is well worth the $40 to $50 it costs (I'm guessing here; It's been a while since I got mine). The last part of the title might include "1962 - 1969". Ron & Jerry, You can go on-line and see / print updates & corrections from the printed version. Jerry, Thanks for making it clear all distributors have a mechanical advance. I guess I made the assumption (oops) that everyone would know that, forgetting that some of us aren't as hands-on & knowledgeable as others. Darrell ----- Original Message ----- From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Jerry & Maureen (Mo)'" ; "'Mountjoy'" ; "'kevin beck'" Cc: "'tiger list'" Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 3:06 PM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 266 Jerry Bob Mannel's book "Mustang & Ford Small Block V8" has a section with all the SBF distributor curves. I have not seen any information about big block Ford engines distributor curves but I'm sure it is out there. I will gladly match any SBF distributor ID number to it's curve. Ron Fraser From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sun Jul 12 17:12:02 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:12:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 266 In-Reply-To: <0AF1D2934F55466DBA1E8A09A88398F3@jerry> Message-ID: <177F2FF0E3514EB3802E4E34CFCA1769@ronpc1> Jerry I'm going to add a little more to this. There are 2 styles of SBF distributors; an early style and a later style. The early style has a round center section and an oil port. The later style has a tri-lobe center section with no oil port. This casting was introduced for the 1965 model year; probably Aug 1964. The early style has 1 maximum mechanical advance on the cam; this style generally wears out quickly. The diagram in the parts manual; electrical section found @ TigerUnited, shows an early style cam and distributor. The later style has 2 different length slots on the cam for a possible 2 different maximum mechanical advance. Obviously you can only use one at a time but you can change to a different length slot or modify the length of the slot to change the advance curve. The same holds for the Hi Po distributors. Mechanical advance is the power side of the curve. The vacuum advance is the economy side of the curve. Many factors govern the total advance curve; including engine components and compression ratios. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry & Maureen (Mo) Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 4:36 PM To: 'Mountjoy'; 'kevin beck' Cc: 'tiger list' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 266 List, All distributors have mechanical advances. Most have vacuum advance, also - mostly for better fuel economy. Performance distributors only have mechanical advance (289HP), because those engines don't spend much time just cruising, where vacuum advancing gives you more total advance; thus, better fuel economy. The REAL difference in all these distributors (including Tigers) is the "curve" that has been set up in that distributor for a particular engine. There are two criteria: (1) the amount of mechanical advance in degrees determined by the "slots" in the bottom of the distributor (Ford); and, (2) the rate of advancement(springs). To date, I have not found any information that specifically tells me what the actual "curve" looks like for a given numbered distributor. I have graphed the "curve" from the Tiger Shop Manual and found it to be very conservative for both the 260 and 289. I just recurved a new Pertronics distributor for the "Pay it Forward" car (Ford 302), and there are a mind-numbing 78 different "curves" that can be set with this distributor. The Ford is better, though. It has an infinite number of combinations. Ha. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 From huffb at southslope.net Sun Jul 12 22:24:48 2009 From: huffb at southslope.net (Brad Huff) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:24:48 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 13" tires Message-ID: <3B9B41336EE24803A37459F726572CC0@brad78b6f70f51> I know that this has probably been asked countless times but please bare with me. I haven't had my car roadworthy for quite some time and I haven't really followed the list either. I have LAT 70 wheels and I would like to know, from the few still running 13" tires, what you guys are using. I realize the selection is slim but I would like to run one more set of 13's before I spring for new wheels. -Brad From atwittsend at verizon.net Sun Jul 12 23:11:38 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:11:38 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 13" tires References: <3B9B41336EE24803A37459F726572CC0@brad78b6f70f51> Message-ID: Brad, While maybe a bit large for the Tiger (or, maybe not) the Tire Rack only offered ONE tire in the 205-60-13" size (what I am considering). The Sumitumo HR 200. Depressing, I have the Tiger (with Cosmics), a Datsun 510 (with Libras) and a Turbo Pinto (with factory Rallyes). All "period" wheels in the 13" size. And, who knows how long the Sumitumo's will be available. :-( That said, I find the HR200's to be a decent tire at a relatively low price (About $50). I have them on the Datsun (215-50-13") and my "Police-ized" '73 Valiant (215-60-15"). Let us know what you find. Tom From spook01 at comcast.net Mon Jul 13 07:21:44 2009 From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:21:44 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 13" tires References: <3B9B41336EE24803A37459F726572CC0@brad78b6f70f51> Message-ID: <0D251F72FD0644C0B3A1DDCEDF19CC6F@yourpd3mh0abgs> A good idea might be to contact corky coker, at coker tire in chattanooga. he has helped me in obtaining out of date sized tires in the past. additonally, coker is a real gear head and might well respond to a lot of email. i sent one, so why not you? Best, Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Huff" To: Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:24 PM Subject: [Tigers] 13" tires >I know that this has probably been asked countless times but please bare >with > me. I haven't had my car roadworthy for quite some time and I haven't > really > followed the list either. I have LAT 70 wheels and I would like to know, > from > the few still running 13" tires, what you guys are using. I realize the > selection is slim but I would like to run one more set of 13's before I > spring > for new wheels. -Brad > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Mon Jul 13 07:50:26 2009 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:50:26 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 13" tires In-Reply-To: <3B9B41336EE24803A37459F726572CC0@brad78b6f70f51> References: <3B9B41336EE24803A37459F726572CC0@brad78b6f70f51> Message-ID: Brad, Because of limited tire selection, I thought it might be my last chance, so I snagged some 13" Cragar SS wheels on eBay this past Spring. What I came up with was with a 175/70R13 size you can find Sumitomo, General, Kumho, Hankook and a couple others. If you want mix and match tires sizes then all there is are the Sumitomo HTR 200 tires. I have 5.5" wide rims in the front and 185/60R13 and 7" wide rims with 205/60R13 tires. Personally I think the 205s look to fat on the front of a Tiger but I have seen it done. The Sumitomo also come in a 195/60/13 which might look good. I hate to say it but it seems like the days of 13" wheels are numbered... Paul > From: huffb at southslope.net > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:24:48 -0500 > Subject: [Tigers] 13" tires > > I know that this has probably been asked countless times but please bare with > me. I haven't had my car roadworthy for quite some time and I haven't really > followed the list either. I have LAT 70 wheels and I would like to know, from > the few still running 13" tires, what you guys are using. I realize the > selection is slim but I would like to run one more set of 13's before I spring > for new wheels. -Brad _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail.: Spread the word when you add celeb photos to your e-mails. Check it out. http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL _QA_HM_celebrity_photos1_072009&cat=celebrity From mark.rense at ge.com Mon Jul 13 09:57:43 2009 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:57:43 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 13" tires In-Reply-To: <3B9B41336EE24803A37459F726572CC0@brad78b6f70f51> References: <3B9B41336EE24803A37459F726572CC0@brad78b6f70f51> Message-ID: Brad, I also have the Sumitomo HTR-200 tires on both my Tigers, 195/60-14 on a set of Libres on the black car, and 205/60-13 on a set of Shelby wheels on the white car. For more aggressive driving, I also have a set of wider wheels with very sticky Hoosier R6's (these are really track tires). You cannot run tires much wider than a 185 unless you roll the lip of the wheel wells up and under. Tire Rack lists lots of 175/70-13s, a few 185/70-13s and one 195/60-13 plus the two 205/60/13s. Pickin's is gettin' slimmer in the 13" size.... Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Huff Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:25 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] 13" tires I know that this has probably been asked countless times but please bare with me. I haven't had my car roadworthy for quite some time and I haven't really followed the list either. I have LAT 70 wheels and I would like to know, from the few still running 13" tires, what you guys are using. I realize the selection is slim but I would like to run one more set of 13's before I spring for new wheels. -Brad Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From huffb at southslope.net Mon Jul 13 11:51:35 2009 From: huffb at southslope.net (Brad Huff) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:51:35 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] having tires mounted that you don't purchase Message-ID: <4063594E1BC847EAADF5575EA2460ED4@brad78b6f70f51> Gentlemen, What kind of luck have you had when you buy your tires from an internet source and you take them to the local tire shop to be mounted? 1) Will they even talk to you? 2)Having the zitty high school dropout with the scraggly beard attempt to mount tires on non replaceable rims bothers me. If they break one they will just say sorry, you didn't buy them from us anyway. Any thoughts. I would even buy a one day insurance policy on the wheels to get me through the process if it were possible. -Brad From gswaybright at yahoo.com Mon Jul 13 12:09:11 2009 From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:09:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] having tires mounted that you don't purchase Message-ID: <603067.28428.qm@web31408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I've never had a problem. I've used shops that were recommended by TireRack and I've also just called around to get best pricing. Most have asked that I let them give a price on future tire purchases, and they usually give a discount on the mount & balance if you buy through them, so it is close sometimes, but I almost always buy through TireRack. --- On Mon, 7/13/09, Brad Huff wrote: > From: Brad Huff > Subject: [Tigers] having tires mounted that you don't purchase > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Monday, July 13, 2009, 1:51 PM > Gentlemen, > What kind of luck have you had when you buy your tires from > an internet source > and you take them to the local tire shop to be mounted? > 1) Will they even talk to you? > 2)Having the zitty high school dropout with the scraggly > beard attempt to > mount tires on non replaceable rims bothers me. If they > break one they will > just say sorry, you didn't buy them from us anyway. > Any thoughts. I would even buy a one day insurance policy > on the wheels to get > me through the process if it were possible. -Brad > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From stephen_grove at yahoo.com Mon Jul 13 12:11:34 2009 From: stephen_grove at yahoo.com (steve grove) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:11:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] having tires mounted that you don't purchase In-Reply-To: <4063594E1BC847EAADF5575EA2460ED4@brad78b6f70f51> References: <4063594E1BC847EAADF5575EA2460ED4@brad78b6f70f51> Message-ID: <855459.66599.qm@web53109.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I found that working with Goodyear in Northern Cal was a great experience. They were linked as an installer off of the Tirerack website. I think they also had an install special. Dropped off the rims and had mounted tires in an hour. ________________________________ From: Brad Huff To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:51:35 AM Subject: [Tigers] having tires mounted that you don't purchase Gentlemen, What kind of luck have you had when you buy your tires from an internet source and you take them to the local tire shop to be mounted? 1) Will they even talk to you? 2)Having the zitty high school dropout with the scraggly beard attempt to mount tires on non replaceable rims bothers me. If they break one they will just say sorry, you didn't buy them from us anyway. Any thoughts. I would even buy a one day insurance policy on the wheels to get me through the process if it were possible. -Brad Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tym2 at comcast.net Mon Jul 13 12:24:25 2009 From: tym2 at comcast.net (tym2 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:24:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] having tires mounted that you don't purchase In-Reply-To: <4063594E1BC847EAADF5575EA2460ED4@brad78b6f70f51> Message-ID: <661597363.900711247509465998.JavaMail.root@sz0149a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Tigers, I'm sure I'm not the only only one with this experience but I've found that if I bring a quote that I've printed off the computer for tires via any internet company, then TownFair Tire has matched the internet price. I've done this for my STS, S2000, Tiger, Corvette, Hot Rod, and my bride's Expedition. Tym McDowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Huff" < huffb @ southslope .net> To: tigers@ autox .team.net Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:51:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Tigers] having tires mounted that you don't purchase Gentlemen, What kind of luck have you had when you buy your tires from an internet source and you take them to the local tire shop to be mounted? 1) Will they even talk to you? 2)Having the zitty high school dropout with the scraggly beard attempt to mount tires on non replaceable rims bothers me. If they break one they will just say sorry, you didn't buy them from us anyway. Any thoughts. I would even buy a one day insurance policy on the wheels to get me through the process if it were possible. -Brad _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http :// www .team.net/donate. html Tigers@ autox .team.net http :// autox .team.net/mailman/ listinfo /tigers http :// www .team.net/archive From WSuman at aol.com Mon Jul 13 12:24:31 2009 From: WSuman at aol.com (WSuman at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:24:31 EDT Subject: [Tigers] having tires mounted that you don't purchase Message-ID: Brad; I've had no trouble whatsoever. It's especially easy if you buy from tire Rack and have them sent to one of their approved installers. I have used other internet sources without problems. I even have them shipped to the installer. As for the kid on the machine, go someplace better that has a Hunter or similar equipment and knows what they are doing. Walt Seattle ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:51:35 -0500 From: "Brad Huff" Subject: [Tigers] To: Message-ID: <4063594E1BC847EAADF5575EA2460ED4 at brad78b6f70f51> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Gentlemen, What kind of luck have you had when you buy your tires from an internet source and you take them to the local tire shop to be mounted? 1) Will they even talk to you? 2)Having the zitty high school dropout with the scraggly beard attempt to mount tires on non replaceable rims bothers me. If they break one they will just say sorry, you didn't buy them from us anyway. Any thoughts. I would even buy a one day insurance policy on the wheels to get me through the process if it were possible. -Brad ------------------------------ ************************************** **************Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) From John.Dillman at PUBLICANS.com Mon Jul 13 12:26:48 2009 From: John.Dillman at PUBLICANS.com (John Dillman) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:26:48 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] having tires mounted that you don't purchase Message-ID: I started buying tires by mail when I was a kid living in the mountains of KY and there wasn't much available. . . although now in Houston, I still do it for price, selection, etc. Yes, they'll talk to me and mount and balance them happily. I have a place here where they do a lot of low riders and cars with big HOOPS, I think the kids call them . . . Some of those silly, dangerous contraptions cost more than our wheels (no, really) and these guys do it all day long, every day . . . We don't communicate much in English, but they are GOOD . . . Nice guys, too. I think a paid $40 to have a round of tires dismounted, mounted and balanced on the boss's Benz . . .. And $5 to plug . . .I seem to find nails a lot . . . Just look away and let them do their job ;) So . .. find a place where they do the big custom reems . . . John Dillman Not looking forward to a round of wide whites for the '41 Continental . . . . From Tigerman67 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 13 12:34:00 2009 From: Tigerman67 at hotmail.com (Tiger Man) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:34:00 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] having tires mounted that you don't purchase References: <4063594E1BC847EAADF5575EA2460ED4@brad78b6f70f51> Message-ID: Alot of local shops aren't interested in the business I would check Tire Rack's 'authorized installers' and call one of them and check. As I remember it, the rates were higher than I expected to mount internet tires, and it was basically a wash to buy them locally because of that. Steve > Gentlemen, > What kind of luck have you had when you buy your tires from an internet > source > and you take them to the local tire shop to be mounted? > 1) Will they even talk to you? > 2)Having the zitty high school dropout with the scraggly beard attempt to > mount tires on non replaceable rims bothers me. If they break one they > will > just say sorry, you didn't buy them from us anyway. > Any thoughts. I would even buy a one day insurance policy on the wheels to > get > me through the process if it were possible. -Brad From robin02 at mindspring.com Mon Jul 13 12:34:18 2009 From: robin02 at mindspring.com (Robin Young) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:34:18 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] having tires mounted that you don't purchase In-Reply-To: <4063594E1BC847EAADF5575EA2460ED4@brad78b6f70f51> References: <4063594E1BC847EAADF5575EA2460ED4@brad78b6f70f51> Message-ID: Brad, I buy all of my tires from Tire Rack. It may be heretical to those guys that put the right KG load in the driver seat and dial in the alignment themselves to minutes and seconds but, I use Wal-Mart for installations for 7.50 per tire mounted, balanced and disposal fee. Never had a problem and they will even use the glue on weights inside the wheel on the Tiger to help the Hollywood look. RObin Subject: [Tigers] having tires mounted that you don't purchase Gentlemen, What kind of luck have you had when you buy your tires from an internet source and you take them to the local tire shop to be mounted? 1) Will they even talk to you? 2)Having the zitty high school dropout with the scraggly beard attempt to mount tires on non replaceable rims bothers me. If they break one they will just say sorry, you didn't buy them from us anyway. Any thoughts. I would even buy a one day insurance policy on the wheels to get me through the process if it were possible. -Brad From cmccann at lwpb.com Mon Jul 13 12:58:48 2009 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:58:48 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] having tires mounted that you don't purchase In-Reply-To: <4063594E1BC847EAADF5575EA2460ED4@brad78b6f70f51> References: <4063594E1BC847EAADF5575EA2460ED4@brad78b6f70f51> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473329AF2EF226@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Brad, I also advise that many tire shops will match the price of the best deal you can find on the net, including Tire Rack...I recently purchased a full set of shoes for my cobra replica, and Discount Tire ordered them and took 10 bucks per tire off to "beat" the competition of TireRack's price....and they have order access to every brand of tire that I know of...and now since they sold them they will back up the warranty and such...as far as the wheel damage concerns....I didn't worry about it but that is probably a valid concern...I would just take good pics of the wheels, some how document that you dropped them off with them and express to the person at the shop that they are rare or something and that it's a concern for you....not sure what else you could do on that... Good luck Gentlemen, What kind of luck have you had when you buy your tires from an internet source and you take them to the local tire shop to be mounted? 1) Will they even talk to you? 2)Having the zitty high school dropout with the scraggly beard attempt to mount tires on non replaceable rims bothers me. If they break one they will just say sorry, you didn't buy them from us anyway. Any thoughts. I would even buy a one day insurance policy on the wheels to get me through the process if it were possible. -Brad From sralsten at ca.rr.com Mon Jul 13 13:26:45 2009 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:26:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 13" tires In-Reply-To: <3B9B41336EE24803A37459F726572CC0@brad78b6f70f51> Message-ID: <20090713192645.RIYN3.423124.root@cdptpa-web28-z01> Last January I put tires on my Tiger. They were Uniroyal Tiger Paws 185/70R13. I just looked at their site and those seem to be unavailable or discontinued. They do still list Tiger Paws AS65 in 175/70R13 Steve R B9473720 From awtiger at cox.net Mon Jul 13 14:46:00 2009 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:46:00 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] having tires mounted that you don't purchase In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473329AF2EF226@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: <20090713164600.ERKFK.199273.imail@eastrmwml36> Hey, Cullen: I know this comment will mean something to you since you and I live in the same area so I beg the forgiveness of the list right off the bat. If I were you, I'd be very concerned over where you take your nice wheels to have ANY work done on them at all. Case in point...I used to own a '89 Saleen Mustang and one day I picked up a nail in one of my tires. I removed the wheel and took it to Hibdon Tire Center in Edmond. I had previously called them and inquired about their experience regarding working with out-of-production and expensive wheels and they assured me that they had a "touchless" tire machine and there was no way they would damage my wheel. To make a long story short, the pimply-faced idiot in the shop bent the sh*t out of my wheel rim. In fact, I caught him trying to beat it back into shape with a hammer!!!! After going absolutely ballistic on the manager, I took the wheel to "The Wheel Connection" over on Meridian and had them repair it. I then presented the bill to the DA over Hibdons and, to his credit, he paid me for the repair work ($150.00). To this day, if I ever have ANY wheel or tire work whatsoever done on the Tiger or the Alpine, "The Wheel Connection" is the only place I'll go. They specialize in restoring damaged wheels and know how to handle them. To date, they've handled both sets of wheels for my Tiger (my LAT 70s and my magnesium American Racing Silverstones) and have done an outstanding job on both occasions. Be very careful who you let handle your wheels!! I would most definitely stay away from the "average Joe" wheel and tire stores when it comes to specialty wheels. Just FYI, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE (TAC#740) B9006857LRX ---- Cullen McCann wrote: > Brad, I also advise that many tire shops will match the price of the best deal > you can find on the net, including Tire Rack...I recently purchased a full set > of shoes for my cobra replica, and Discount Tire ordered them and took 10 > bucks per tire off to "beat" the competition of TireRack's price....and they > have order access to every brand of tire that I know of...and now since they > sold them they will back up the warranty and such...as far as the wheel damage > concerns....I didn't worry about it but that is probably a valid concern...I > would just take good pics of the wheels, some how document that you dropped > them off with them and express to the person at the shop that they are rare or > something and that it's a concern for you....not sure what else you could do > on that... > > Good luck > > > > > > Gentlemen, > What kind of luck have you had when you buy your tires from an internet > source > and you take them to the local tire shop to be mounted? > 1) Will they even talk to you? > 2)Having the zitty high school dropout with the scraggly beard attempt to > mount tires on non replaceable rims bothers me. If they break one they will > just say sorry, you didn't buy them from us anyway. > Any thoughts. I would even buy a one day insurance policy on the wheels to > get > me through the process if it were possible. -Brad > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From cmccann at lwpb.com Mon Jul 13 14:51:56 2009 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:51:56 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] having tires mounted that you don't purchase In-Reply-To: <20090713164600.ERKFK.199273.imail@eastrmwml36> References: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473329AF2EF226@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> <20090713164600.ERKFK.199273.imail@eastrmwml36> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473329AF2EF295@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Hey Andy, point taken...will do. I think since I haven't got a horror story like that to speak of, I just haven't fully appreciated the risk....of course my (fake) cobra wheels were reproduction pin drive Halibrands (only there are 17") and were purchased new from vintage wheel in California just days before taking them to discount tire...so they are very replaceable....and I felt confident after my order was taken from the manager of the store who was my age...that they had it under control...but I guarantee I will take great caution if I find myself in a similar spot with any wheel situation like the one you described...especially one that involves a valuable wheel or anything like that.. good point Andy...thanks for the heads up.. Hey, Cullen: I know this comment will mean something to you since you and I live in the same area so I beg the forgiveness of the list right off the bat. If I were you, I'd be very concerned over where you take your nice wheels to have ANY work done on them at all. Case in point...I used to own a '89 Saleen Mustang and one day I picked up a nail in one of my tires. I removed the wheel and took it to Hibdon Tire Center in Edmond. I had previously called them and inquired about their experience regarding working with out-of-production and expensive wheels and they assured me that they had a "touchless" tire machine and there was no way they would damage my wheel. To make a long story short, the pimply-faced idiot in the shop bent the sh*t out of my wheel rim. In fact, I caught him trying to beat it back into shape with a hammer!!!! After going absolutely ballistic on the manager, I took the wheel to "The Wheel Connection" over on Meridian and had them repair it. I then presented the bill to the DA over Hibdons and, to his credit, he paid me for the repair work ($150.00). To this day, if I ever have ANY wheel or tire work whatsoever done on the Tiger or the Alpine, "The Wheel Connection" is the only place I'll go. They specialize in restoring damaged wheels and know how to handle them. To date, they've handled both sets of wheels for my Tiger (my LAT 70s and my magnesium American Racing Silverstones) and have done an outstanding job on both occasions. Be very careful who you let handle your wheels!! I would most definitely stay away from the "average Joe" wheel and tire stores when it comes to specialty wheels. From cburruss at hiwaay.net Mon Jul 13 16:12:17 2009 From: cburruss at hiwaay.net (Jim & Carolyn Burruss) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:12:17 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 13" Tires & Mounting Message-ID: <9ED54ED6F3A947899A66AECBB1B53703@retired> I recently replaced my very old tires with Sumitomo HTR 205/60-13 from Tire Rack, mounting themn on my LAT-70 wheels. The Sumitomos are decent tires for the money. My experience with them on other cars, however, is that they get noisy toward the end of their tread life. For the Tiger, this is hardly a problem. I've had no problem with mounting. Most passenger car wheels these days are aluminum alloy, and tire shops no longer back up two steps and disavow responsibility for them. I like the (almost) touchless mounting machines (Andy Walker's experience noted). The place I usually use has been good about dealing with my racing slicks on odd wheels (in my past life), and I usually strike up a conversation with the installer. When I had the Sumitomos mounted, I told the 20-something installer that the wheels were more than twice his age. I also made a point of telling the manager that I had tried to get the tires I needed at his location (as well as others; no one even offered to order them for me). His initial fear when I arrived was that I might want some stiff rubber bands mounted on 24-inchers. Perhaps, at my age, I should be flattered that he would even think that. Jim From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Mon Jul 13 16:21:45 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:21:45 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 13" tires In-Reply-To: <3B9B41336EE24803A37459F726572CC0@brad78b6f70f51> References: <3B9B41336EE24803A37459F726572CC0@brad78b6f70f51> Message-ID: <4A5BB379.40701@SoCal.rr.com> Brad, I am using Michelin X 185-70 R13 on my Tiger, with alloy wheels. These are the original wire mesh tread support belt design for the period. These are carried, I believe, only by COSTCO, and are reasonably priced. Don't expect really wide modern performance tires, but really nice for road use. Check your wheel offset, no matter what tire you choose. Could end up with tire/body interference. Offset of wheels is of primary concern to prevent wide tires from scrubbing fender wheel opening corners, both front and rear. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Brad Huff wrote: > I know that this has probably been asked countless times but please bare with > me. I haven't had my car roadworthy for quite some time and I haven't really > followed the list either. I have LAT 70 wheels and I would like to know, from > the few still running 13" tires, what you guys are using. I realize the > selection is slim but I would like to run one more set of 13's before I spring > for new wheels. -Brad > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From DJoh797014 at aol.com Mon Jul 13 18:04:31 2009 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:04:31 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Test AOL link Message-ID: Test **************Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003) From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Mon Jul 13 18:59:00 2009 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:59:00 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 269 References: Message-ID: <007d01ca041e$463e52e0$0301a8c0@chesapeake4> Brad, Tire Rack has list of preferred installers, Clyde ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 269 > Send Tigers mailing list submissions to > tigers at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tigers-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tigers-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: 13" tires (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) > 2. having tires mounted that you don't purchase (Brad Huff) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:57:43 -0400 > From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 13" tires > To: "Brad Huff" , > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Brad, > I also have the Sumitomo HTR-200 tires on both my Tigers, 195/60-14 on a > set of Libres on the black car, and 205/60-13 on a set of Shelby wheels > on the white car. For more aggressive driving, I also have a set of > wider wheels with very sticky Hoosier R6's (these are really track > tires). You cannot run tires much wider than a 185 unless you roll the > lip of the wheel wells up and under. > > Tire Rack lists lots of 175/70-13s, a few 185/70-13s and one 195/60-13 > plus the two 205/60/13s. > > Pickin's is gettin' slimmer in the 13" size.... > > Bugz > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Huff > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:25 AM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] 13" tires > > I know that this has probably been asked countless times but please bare > with me. I haven't had my car roadworthy for quite some time and I > haven't really followed the list either. I have LAT 70 wheels and I > would like to know, from the few still running 13" tires, what you guys > are using. I realize the selection is slim but I would like to run one > more set of 13's before I spring for new wheels. -Brad > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:51:35 -0500 > From: "Brad Huff" > Subject: [Tigers] having tires mounted that you don't purchase > To: > Message-ID: <4063594E1BC847EAADF5575EA2460ED4 at brad78b6f70f51> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Gentlemen, > What kind of luck have you had when you buy your tires from an internet > source > and you take them to the local tire shop to be mounted? > 1) Will they even talk to you? > 2)Having the zitty high school dropout with the scraggly beard attempt to > mount tires on non replaceable rims bothers me. If they break one they > will > just say sorry, you didn't buy them from us anyway. > Any thoughts. I would even buy a one day insurance policy on the wheels to > get > me through the process if it were possible. -Brad > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Tigers mailing list > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > End of Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 269 > ************************************** From chris at cthompson.net Mon Jul 13 20:11:53 2009 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:11:53 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] having tires mounted that you don't purchase In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473329AF2EF295@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> References: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473329AF2EF226@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> <20090713164600.ERKFK.199273.imail@eastrmwml36> <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473329AF2EF295@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: <4A5BE969.3050902@cthompson.net> It's a great point about supporting your local quality tire shops. I used to buy my tires at TireRack, but no more. I check their prices, and then go to my local "good guys" shop and negotiate. They can usually match the price, but sometimes they can't, and that's ok. It's an honest shop and a great service to our community. I would rather seem them make a few bucks off the tires than TireRack... Chris B382000331 Cullen McCann wrote: > Hey Andy, > > point taken...will do. I think since I haven't got a horror story like that to speak of, I just haven't fully appreciated the risk....of course my (fake) cobra wheels were reproduction pin drive Halibrands (only there are 17") and were purchased new from vintage wheel in California just days before taking them to discount tire...so they are very replaceable....and I felt confident after my order was taken from the manager of the store who was my age...that they had it under control...but I guarantee I will take great caution if I find myself in a similar spot with any wheel situation like the one you described...especially one that involves a valuable wheel or anything like that.. > > good point Andy...thanks for the heads up.. From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tue Jul 14 06:19:37 2009 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:19:37 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Amtrak Auto Train Poster gets plug In-Reply-To: <4A5BE969.3050902@cthompson.net> References: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473329AF2EF226@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> <20090713164600.ERKFK.199273.imail@eastrmwml36> <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473329AF2EF295@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> <4A5BE969.3050902@cthompson.net> Message-ID: <000301ca047d$5b3259d0$11970d70$@rr.com> >From the LetterBox column of the Sept Classic Motorsports. - "The Auto Train is celebrating its 25th anniversary this year. To promote the fact that they can carry something besides Grandma's Crow Vic, they have two new images plastered everywhere: booklets, pictures and posters - some are 20X40 feet. They are done in a watercolor-type picture. Once depicts a classic motorcycle, while the other is clearly a Sunbeam Tiger or Alpine. Why did Amtrak pick an obscure 1960s British sports car over all the interesting cars on the planet for this special celebration? In October of 07, many Sunbeams used the Auto Train to attend a Tigers United sponsored by Tigers East/ Alpines East in Daytona Beach. I suppose someone at Amtrak snapped a picture of one of the cars abort and decided to use the image. Again, of all the great cars on the planet, to use a Sunbeam for this promotion is astonishing. Clark Vegazo" Obviously Clark has never driven a Tiger or he would know why they chose it. I would love one of the 20X40 posters. Duke B382002037 From WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com Tue Jul 14 06:50:47 2009 From: WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com (WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:50:47 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Amtrak Auto Train Poster gets plug Message-ID: You can pruchase the posters at the following site: _http://store.amtrak.com/ProductList.aspx?did=5551_ (http://store.amtrak.com/ProductList.aspx?did=5551) They are 24" x 18" on heavy stock suitable for framing. Shipping is rather pricey, though. Fred Baum From cars at wt-inc.com Tue Jul 14 08:49:37 2009 From: cars at wt-inc.com (Lynn Wall) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:49:37 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Amtrak Auto Train Poster gets plug In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001101ca0492$4f8f2d00$eead8700$@com> FYI I just ordered one and shipping was 5.69 to Utah. It looks like they got their shipping issues fixed. Lynn -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 6:51 AM To: wsamouce at kc.rr.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Amtrak Auto Train Poster gets plug You can pruchase the posters at the following site: _http://store.amtrak.com/ProductList.aspx?did=5551_ (http://store.amtrak.com/ProductList.aspx?did=5551) They are 24" x 18" on heavy stock suitable for framing. Shipping is rather pricey, though. Fred Baum Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Jul 14 10:23:36 2009 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Amtrak Auto Train Poster gets plug In-Reply-To: <001101ca0492$4f8f2d00$eead8700$@com> References: <001101ca0492$4f8f2d00$eead8700$@com> Message-ID: <531567.90987.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This was something I posted a while ago from the Artist, he has more expensive prints etc. - ----- Hello Sandy. You have a good eye. For this AMTRAK ad (attached), the agency wanted a sporty car but unrecognizable. So I used my friend's Tiger as reference. I've always really admired his car. The ad agency had me remove a couple of the distinct Tiger details (bumper guards). I'ts a great car. Thanks for your inquiry. Regards, Michael S. MICHAEL SCHWAB STUDIO 108 Tamalpais Avenue San Anselmo, CA 94960 415/ 257-5792 http://www.michaelschwab.com From chris at cthompson.net Tue Jul 14 19:42:23 2009 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:42:23 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Amtrak Auto Train Poster gets plug In-Reply-To: <001101ca0492$4f8f2d00$eead8700$@com> References: <001101ca0492$4f8f2d00$eead8700$@com> Message-ID: <4A5D33FF.6@cthompson.net> Thanks for the heads up, Lynn. I just ordered a couple, and shipping was about $10 to VA. A far cry from what it was a month or two ago.... Chris Lynn Wall wrote: > FYI > > I just ordered one and shipping was 5.69 to Utah. It looks like they got > their shipping issues fixed. > > Lynn > > - From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Wed Jul 15 11:38:51 2009 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:38:51 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] strange problem Message-ID: We are nearly finished putting Tigger back together. We attached the battery cable, nothing blew, and all the lights came on - regardless of whether they were turned on or not! Any clues as to what I've got wired wrong? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From achd73 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 15 11:45:06 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] KanN TALL Message-ID: <535192.99773.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Theo posted the number for a KanN filter which is the same diameter but thicker than the orginal most of us are running. I thought I saved that email but cant locate it. If anyone else saved it or if Theo doesnt mind, please repost that KanN part number. I promised a chap at SUNI who doesnt have email I would send it to him. He also repairs/recast the steering wheel hub if yours is cracked so bad you want it fixed.He sold home made steering wheels made of different types wood. He repaired a old hub and after recasting the cracked part he added new wood- most likely using Alpine wheels from which he removed the plastic from around the steel circle under the orginal plastic(for lack of the correct name of THAT material). He did excellent work, so Im passing this on to the Alpine list as well in case someone needs his service. Thanks in advance. TtT From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Wed Jul 15 14:08:27 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:08:27 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] strange problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A5E373B.2030006@SoCal.rr.com> Jim, Having the "older" Tiger (B9472289) I can offer some gratuitous advice. * First, disconnect the cable at the battery. (A quick-disconnect racing connector is available) * This should solve the problem. * Even if you do not do all your driving at night, you will be safer at daylight with the lights on. * A VERY heavy duty relay (starter relay?) can be used, if the ignition switch still works. (; -) Sound like the "starter ignition & accessories switch" (where the key goes), or a "short". Check TigersUnited.com for the colored electric wiring diagram to check the current flow. You either have a short (or a long). which needs to be checked out for correct wiring and functioning switch/relays. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmN36.asp ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com James E. Pickard wrote: > We are nearly finished putting Tigger back together. We attached the battery > cable, nothing blew, and all the lights came on - regardless of whether they > were turned on or not! Any clues as to what I've got wired wrong? Thanks. > > Jim Pickard > B9473298 ('65 Tiger) > AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold > 2003 Mini Cooper > Lafayette, LA From Carmods at aol.com Wed Jul 15 15:15:35 2009 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:15:35 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Lights Always On Message-ID: << We attached the battery cable, nothing blew, and all the lights came on - regardless of whether they were turned on or not!>> Jim, I think you have some of the wires on the light switch on the wrong terminals. John Logan **************Can love help you live longer? Find out now. (http://personals.aol.com/articles/2009/02/18/longer-lives-through-relationships/?ncid=emlweu slove00000001) From kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 08:24:51 2009 From: kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com (kevin beck) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:24:51 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] windshield Message-ID: <22507f140907160724v6745a723m87f3ae72db3b0c1d@mail.gmail.com> Just got my new dash pad put back on the tiger, and I'm ready to reinstall the windshield. Are there any rubber spacers that go between the windshield frame and body before I put the windshield on, I read somewhere there might be, what size and where do they go? The windshield has been off too long, and I can't remember. I did mark my dash wiring when I took it apart, but now that's just masking tape on the wires the writing is long gone after 20 years, buts that's for later. Thanks Kevin From mark.rense at ge.com Thu Jul 16 08:35:42 2009 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:35:42 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Norton Transformer Message-ID: This is for Barry and all the rest of you Norton fans in the group. A brilliant little piece for any motorhead. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKqpvriKZuA From gswaybright at yahoo.com Thu Jul 16 08:59:31 2009 From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:59:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Norton Transformer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <181241.4370.qm@web31407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That's pretty cool... I'd love to see how they do those special effects. Really amazing. --- On Thu, 7/16/09, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) wrote: > From: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) > Subject: [Tigers] Norton Transformer > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 10:35 AM > This is for Barry and all the rest of > you Norton fans in the group. > > A brilliant little piece for any motorhead. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKqpvriKZuA > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From robin02 at mindspring.com Thu Jul 16 09:02:37 2009 From: robin02 at mindspring.com (Robin Young) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:02:37 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] windshield In-Reply-To: <22507f140907160724v6745a723m87f3ae72db3b0c1d@mail.gmail.com> References: <22507f140907160724v6745a723m87f3ae72db3b0c1d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3C931C911EF84952AFA369DE392B5887@RobinLaptop> Kevin, If the frame is aligned with the window frame on the door, you don't need shims. If it is not aligned, loosen all the fasteners and tighten them against the gasket until it does align. If the frame is too close to the window frame at the top, a shim is needed at the outside fastener. Depending on when the car was built there are five or seven fasteners. Is this what you needed? RObin Subject: [Tigers] windshield Just got my new dash pad put back on the tiger, and I'm ready to reinstall the windshield. Are there any rubber spacers that go between the windshield frame and body before I put the windshield on, I read somewhere there might be, what size and where do they go? The windshield has been off too long, and I can't remember. I did mark my dash wiring when I took it apart, but now that's just masking tape on the wires the writing is long gone after 20 years, buts that's for later. Thanks Kevin _______________________________________________ From bomber44 at comcast.net Thu Jul 16 09:16:27 2009 From: bomber44 at comcast.net (Rob Guerra) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:16:27 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] windshield In-Reply-To: <22507f140907160724v6745a723m87f3ae72db3b0c1d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You can purchase a window alignment kit from Sunbeam specialties that allows you to align the front window with the wing windows On 7/16/09 7:24 AM, "kevin beck" wrote: > Just got my new dash pad put back on the tiger, and I'm ready to reinstall > the windshield. Are there any rubber spacers that go between the windshield > frame and body before I put the windshield on, I read somewhere there might > be, what size and where do they go? The windshield has been off too > long, and I can't remember. I did mark my dash wiring when I took it apart, > but now that's just masking tape on the wires the writing is long gone after > 20 years, buts that's for later. Thanks Kevin > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From tsmit at shaw.ca Thu Jul 16 17:57:56 2009 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (THEO SMIT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:57:56 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Be still your troubled hearts In-Reply-To: <000401ca024f$2efd3ae0$8cf7b0a0$@com> References: <000401ca024f$2efd3ae0$8cf7b0a0$@com> Message-ID: Hey Lynn, that's great to hear. Hopefully the other parts (or approprate compensation) will also find their way back to the right folks. I'll pull the black pins out of my voodoo Sunbeam model now... Theo PS: For the Calgary guys - I need to bolt the rear brakes back onto the Tiger but I'm otherwise in pretty good shape for going to the European car show on Saturday. See you there, maybe. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynn Wall Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009 11:45 am Subject: [Tigers] Be still your troubled hearts To: tigers at autox.team.net > Wow you won't believe what happened today!!! > > > > For all those that don't know I had a very expensive part > purloined from me > at SUNI. After much wailing and gnashing of teeth, (and a > particularlynasty wish offered by Theo), the thief apparently is > attempting to find his > way back from the dark side. > > > > I received in the mail today a very non-descript, well packed > box containing > my parts. They were wrapped in the same plastic I had them > in at the SUNI. > > > > No, I will not disclose the return address in hopes that the > other purloined > parts eventually find their way back to the rightful owners but > I am > thinking of testing them for finger prints, mitochondrial DNA > and blood > splatter (just in case) > > > > This day just got better, and it was pretty good to begin with > > > > Lynn > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From packertl3 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 16 18:51:29 2009 From: packertl3 at yahoo.com (Terry Packer) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:51:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Windshield R&R Questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <842043.43798.qm@web110115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The manual says to remove the windshield glass, first remove all the adjacent trim surrounds. But looking over the still-assembled car, it's tempting to think the w/s glass rests in a gasket that can be removed and roped back in without disturbing all the trim. Does anyone have experience whether removal of the trim is necessary for glass r&r? And if it is necessary, any tips or techniques to avoid damaging the trim pieces during their own removal and reinstall? Thanks Terry Packer 9470018 From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Jul 16 21:39:11 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:39:11 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] windshield In-Reply-To: <22507f140907160724v6745a723m87f3ae72db3b0c1d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <902A95561F8B4A04A86E5EE70DF7B732@ronpc1> Kevin The only rubber spacer I remember was a wedge piece near the doors. There is the rubber moulding between the frame and the dash and my Tiger had a gray rope seal between the rubber and the dash. The rope seal looked exactly like Mortell "Mortite" weatherstrip and caulking cord. The one thing you want to do is make sure water does not get between the rubber and the windshield frame so rust can start or continue on the metal frame. The wires are color coded so you should be able to check their locations with the wire diagram. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of kevin beck Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:25 AM To: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] windshield Just got my new dash pad put back on the tiger, and I'm ready to reinstall the windshield. Are there any rubber spacers that go between the windshield frame and body before I put the windshield on, I read somewhere there might be, what size and where do they go? The windshield has been off too long, and I can't remember. I did mark my dash wiring when I took it apart, but now that's just masking tape on the wires the writing is long gone after 20 years, buts that's for later. Thanks Kevin Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.12/2235 - Release Date: 07/13/09 05:56:00 From kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 21:45:48 2009 From: kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com (kevin beck) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:45:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] windshield Message-ID: <22507f140907162045p7f90ad7fw311cec943f2f97f8@mail.gmail.com> To everyone who gave advise and support I just got my windshield back on looks pretty good I'm going to tweak it some tomorrow, but with the new dash pad and now windshield things are starting to look pretty good. Thanks again Kevin From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Jul 16 21:49:38 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:49:38 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] strange problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim Check the wires with the wire diagram. I would disconnect the brown wire at position 1 on the light switch then connect the battery; the lights should be out. Check the position of the other 2 wires on the light switch; should be position 4, red wires and 8, blue wire. It is possible that the light switch is hung up inside. You could try another switch or you could carefully pull that switch apart to check the contacts. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James E. Pickard Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:39 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] strange problem We are nearly finished putting Tigger back together. We attached the battery cable, nothing blew, and all the lights came on - regardless of whether they were turned on or not! Any clues as to what I've got wired wrong? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.12/2235 - Release Date: 07/13/09 05:56:00 From mmichels at socal.rr.com Thu Jul 16 22:10:57 2009 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (mmichels at socal.rr.com) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 4:10:57 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] KanN TALL In-Reply-To: <535192.99773.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090717041057.NNIWU.2190.root@hrndva-web07-z01> The next taller K and N is two inches versus the stock height of 1-1/2. It works well, but look out for clearance to hood. Summit Racing has it under part number KNN-E-3710. It is listed as 13-1/2 inch diameter "round" but it is plenty flexible and will take on the oval shape permanently after installed in the stock air cleaner. ---- Tony Somebody wrote: > Theo posted the number for a KanN filter which is the same diameter but thicker than the orginal most of us are running. I thought I saved that email but cant locate it. If anyone else saved it or if Theo doesnt mind, please repost that KanN part number. I promised a chap at SUNI who doesnt have email I would send it to him. He also repairs/recast the steering wheel hub if yours is cracked so bad you want it fixed.He sold home made steering wheels made of different types wood. He repaired a old hub and after recasting the cracked part he added new wood- most likely using Alpine wheels from which he removed the plastic from around the steel circle under the orginal plastic(for lack of the correct name of THAT material). He did excellent work, so Im passing this on to the Alpine list as well in case someone needs his service. > Thanks in advance. > TtT > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Jul 16 22:34:43 2009 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:34:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] KanN TALL In-Reply-To: <20090717041057.NNIWU.2190.root@hrndva-web07-z01> References: <20090717041057.NNIWU.2190.root@hrndva-web07-z01> Message-ID: <4A5FFF63.5030406@mayfco.com> This thread on K&N has got me to thinking..has anyone used a flow bench to test the stock air cleaner and filter? I wonder how it actually flows? Iffn I was making a new one, I would make it such that the side wings on the air filter, top and botom, were also of filter materials. More air flow in the same space.. Forgive me for highjacking the filter story for a moment... mayf mmichels at socal.rr.com wrote: >The next taller K and N is two inches versus the stock height of 1-1/2. It works well, but look out for clearance to hood. Summit Racing has it under part number KNN-E-3710. It is listed as 13-1/2 inch diameter "round" but it is plenty flexible and will take on the oval shape permanently after installed in the stock air cleaner. > >---- Tony Somebody wrote: > > >>Theo posted the number for a KanN filter which is the same diameter but thicker than the orginal most of us are running. I thought I saved that email but cant locate it. If anyone else saved it or if Theo doesnt mind, please repost that KanN part number. I promised a chap at SUNI who doesnt have email I would send it to him. He also repairs/recast the steering wheel hub if yours is cracked so bad you want it fixed.He sold home made steering wheels made of different types wood. He repaired a old hub and after recasting the cracked part he added new wood- most likely using Alpine wheels from which he removed the plastic from around the steel circle under the orginal plastic(for lack of the correct name of THAT material). He did excellent work, so Im passing this on to the Alpine list as well in case someone needs his service. >>Thanks in advance. >>TtT >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>Tigers at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >>http://www.team.net/archive >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 22:50:36 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:50:36 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] KanN TALL In-Reply-To: <4A5FFF63.5030406@mayfco.com> References: <20090717041057.NNIWU.2190.root@hrndva-web07-z01> <4A5FFF63.5030406@mayfco.com> Message-ID: I have seen the K&N sweitrl top style filters on a tiger. the round one with a drop base to get a deeper area and a filtered top hat. 2009/7/17 drmayf > This thread on K&N has got me to thinking..has anyone used a flow bench to > test the stock air cleaner and filter? I wonder how it actually flows? Iffn > I was making a new one, I would make it such that the side wings on the air > filter, top and botom, were also of filter materials. More air flow in the > same space.. > > Forgive me for highjacking the filter story for a moment... > mayf > > mmichels at socal.rr.com wrote: > > The next taller K and N is two inches versus the stock height of 1-1/2. It >> works well, but look out for clearance to hood. Summit Racing has it under >> part number KNN-E-3710. It is listed as 13-1/2 inch diameter "round" but it >> is plenty flexible and will take on the oval shape permanently after >> installed in the stock air cleaner. >> ---- Tony Somebody wrote: >> >>> Theo posted the number for a KanN filter which is the same diameter but >>> thicker than the orginal most of us are running. I thought I saved that >>> email but cant locate it. If anyone else saved it or if Theo doesnt mind, >>> please repost that KanN part number. I promised a chap at SUNI who doesnt >>> have email I would send it to him. He also repairs/recast the steering wheel >>> hub if yours is cracked so bad you want it fixed.He sold home made steering >>> wheels made of different types wood. He repaired a old hub and after >>> recasting the cracked part he added new wood- most likely using Alpine >>> wheels from which he removed the plastic from around the steel circle under >>> the orginal plastic(for lack of the correct name of THAT material). He did >>> excellent work, so Im passing this on to the Alpine list as well in case >>> someone needs his service. >>> Thanks in advance. >>> TtT >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Tigers at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >>> >>> http://www.team.net/archive >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > -- Regards Michael King From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Jul 16 22:52:53 2009 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:52:53 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] KanN TALL In-Reply-To: References: <20090717041057.NNIWU.2190.root@hrndva-web07-z01> <4A5FFF63.5030406@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <4A6003A5.9060508@mayfco.com> But not in the stock shape or size? mayf michael king wrote: > I have seen the K&N sweitrl top style filters on a tiger. the round > one with a drop base to get a deeper area and a filtered top hat. > > 2009/7/17 drmayf > > > This thread on K&N has got me to thinking..has anyone used a flow > bench to test the stock air cleaner and filter? I wonder how it > actually flows? Iffn I was making a new one, I would make it such > that the side wings on the air filter, top and botom, were also of > filter materials. More air flow in the same space.. > > Forgive me for highjacking the filter story for a moment... > mayf > > mmichels at socal.rr.com wrote: > > The next taller K and N is two inches versus the stock height > of 1-1/2. It works well, but look out for clearance to hood. > Summit Racing has it under part number KNN-E-3710. It is > listed as 13-1/2 inch diameter "round" but it is plenty > flexible and will take on the oval shape permanently after > installed in the stock air cleaner. > ---- Tony Somebody > wrote: > > Theo posted the number for a KanN filter which is the same > diameter but thicker than the orginal most of us are > running. I thought I saved that email but cant locate it. > If anyone else saved it or if Theo doesnt mind, please > repost that KanN part number. I promised a chap at SUNI > who doesnt have email I would send it to him. He also > repairs/recast the steering wheel hub if yours is cracked > so bad you want it fixed.He sold home made steering wheels > made of different types wood. He repaired a old hub and > after recasting the cracked part he added new wood- most > likely using Alpine wheels from which he removed the > plastic from around the steel circle under the orginal > plastic(for lack of the correct name of THAT material). He > did excellent work, so Im passing this on to the Alpine > list as well in case someone needs his service. > Thanks in advance. > TtT > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 22:54:38 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:54:38 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] KanN TALL In-Reply-To: <4A6003A5.9060508@mayfco.com> References: <20090717041057.NNIWU.2190.root@hrndva-web07-z01> <4A5FFF63.5030406@mayfco.com> <4A6003A5.9060508@mayfco.com> Message-ID: 2009/7/17 drmayf > But not in the stock shape or size? > > mayf > michael king wrote: > > I have seen the K&N sweitrl top style filters on a tiger. the round one >> with a drop base to get a deeper area and a filtered top hat. >> >> No it was a round filter and base.. not tiger oval style. -- Regards Michael King From michael.s.king at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 01:01:27 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:01:27 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Crashed Tiger Videos Message-ID: As listers would remember there was a heavily crashed MKI for sale on ebay a while back... well looks like its fate is sealed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qst9PX27J6A&feature=channel_page http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSGtDgTAd10&feature=channel_page -- Regards Michael King From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Fri Jul 17 05:33:20 2009 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 06:33:20 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: strange problem Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "James E. Pickard" To: "mike schreiner" Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] strange problem > So where can I get a CAT laminated wiring diagram? > > Jim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mike schreiner" > To: "James E. Pickard" > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 7:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] strange problem > > > > Take light switch out, turn it to back and look at with a magnifying > glass..thye terminals are numbered and coincide with numbers on the CAT > laminated wire diagram ...most likely there is your problem power in is > attached to a terminal common to wire to lights, you may have bypassed the > switch,....mike > > --- On Wed, 7/15/09, James E. Pickard wrote: > >> From: James E. Pickard >> Subject: [Tigers] strange problem >> To: tigers at autox.team.net >> Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 1:38 PM >> We are nearly finished putting Tigger >> back together. We attached the battery >> cable, nothing blew, and all the lights came on - >> regardless of whether they >> were turned on or not! Any clues as to what I've got >> wired wrong? Thanks. >> >> Jim Pickard >> B9473298 ('65 Tiger) >> AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold >> 2003 Mini Cooper >> Lafayette, LA >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive From rfraser at bluefrog.com Fri Jul 17 06:55:27 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:55:27 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: strange problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9CB52AA5F6494D59BB635EDAAAAEB4FA@ronpc1> Jim You have to be a CAT member to order from their parts list. The shop manual wire diagram is just fine. It shows the position of the wires. You can find a wire diagram on TigersUnited if you want to print off a copy. You just need to know the positions marked on the switch. Generally there are 2 spade connections at the 7 & 8 position on the switch. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James E. Pickard Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 7:33 AM To: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Fw: strange problem ----- Original Message ----- From: "James E. Pickard" To: "mike schreiner" Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] strange problem > So where can I get a CAT laminated wiring diagram? > > Jim From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Fri Jul 17 13:17:48 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:17:48 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Air filter drama...easy...no. In-Reply-To: <4A36D1E5.1030807@SoCal.rr.com> References: <000001c9ee03$bfcdfbf0$3f69f3d0$@rr.com> <4A36CE1C.1060202@cox.net> <4A36D1E5.1030807@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <4A60CE5C.4010603@SoCal.rr.com> Seems this subject keeps coming up about K&N. Both David Sosna, and I, have replied to Duke in mid June, 2009. (attached). These filters are the correct oval in the box, the height allows a F4B intake with 4 bbl Holley to fit fine beneath the hood. Even without a LAT scoop. Taller filters will be difficult, or impossible, to clear hood interference. They are sturdily made, and can be cleaned and K&N oiled so they can last nearly forever. SEE "Part # TM24, $15.80" at < www.rootes.com > (408) 371-1642 Steve (and David) ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Laifman wrote: > Duke, > > I can second David's recommendation, as I bought one from SS. I am > using the K&N filter, as it will last "forever" Just follow > directions for cleaning and re-lubricating. > > Beware of asking K&N. They don't know what a "Sunbeam Tiger" is, and > the numbers on the rubber are ONLY numbers for the Rubber! Beware of > using a taller filter due to the bonnet wanting the same space! > > SS has "broken the code" for the correct K&N filter. > > I have been using K&N filters for a great number of years and cars. > As long as you maintain them per instructions, with their oil. The > original was in a rectangular box, and was pulled out and fastened > with the sticky pad to form a circle. Very dear now, and it was only > paper. > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > > David Sosna wrote: >> Duke: >> Try Sunbeam Specialties for all (well, most) of your Tiger needs. >> From the February 2008 catalog (may have been superseded) >> Air filter element, aftermarket: Part # TM24, $15.80 >> www.rootes.com >> (408) 371-1642 >> >> Best Regards >> David Sosna >> P.S. don't know if they still have paper catalogs, but if they do, >> I'm sure they'd be happy to drop one in the mail :-) From Carmods at aol.com Mon Jul 20 07:45:07 2009 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:45:07 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Dave Johnson Message-ID: Dave Johnson has been trying to contact you and asked for my help. His E-mal address is _DJoh797014_ (mailto:DJoh797014) @ aol.com John Logan **************What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and easy dinner ideas for any occasion. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=emlcntusfood00000009) From Carmods at aol.com Mon Jul 20 07:59:29 2009 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:59:29 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Dave Johnson Request Message-ID: Dave Johnson has been trying to contact you and asked for my help. His E-mail address is _Djoh797014 at aol.com_ (mailto:Djoh797014 at aol.com) John Logan **************What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and easy dinner ideas for any occasion. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=emlcntusfood00000009) From fabbro at shaw.ca Mon Jul 20 23:05:27 2009 From: fabbro at shaw.ca (Fabbro) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:05:27 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Steering Wheel Restoration Message-ID: Hi All I am working on a wood steering wheel. What material is used to replace the black insert section of the steering wheel? Also were can this strip of material be purchased? Thanks in advance. Kim From fabbro at shaw.ca Mon Jul 20 23:24:52 2009 From: fabbro at shaw.ca (Fabbro) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:24:52 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Windshield to frame install Message-ID: Hi Again I also have to put the front windshield in to the frame. I have a new rubber seal that I purchased from Sunbeam Specialties. The problem is since I removed the old one several months back I can not remember how the new one fits the windshield then in to the frame. Are there any photos to show with which grooves are to be use in the rubber? I have instructions that some what explain how to do it. But no drawing or photo to show which groove in the rubber goes on to the glass and which rubber groove gets the rope pressed in and then installed in to the frame. Best Regards Kim From fabbro at shaw.ca Mon Jul 20 23:36:32 2009 From: fabbro at shaw.ca (Fabbro) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:36:32 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Radio console Message-ID: <44FE7EB131FD4BCA91BF7AFB2C236049@fabbro> Hello boys and girls. I have a great quality radio in good working order. Is there any one out there with a front radio console with the speaker cover as shown in the attached photo? I have the radio but not the surrounding item and mounting hardware. If there is no mounting hardware in back I can make it myself without any problems. Thanks Kim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Radio Console.jpg] From achd73 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 20 23:39:00 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 22:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Steering Wheel Restoration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <534469.55265.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There was an article written by a member of TE/AE and or here. The article may well be found on the TU website or the TE site or it may have been a newsletter article. I remember bits about gluing the wood and reinishing it etc. BUT Im curious as well. So, if someone replies, please post it so this blonde will be a bit smarter. My Dr. told me just recently he thought I was getting smarter as I had lost weight.I ask if that meant I could only get dummber if I gained weight? He laughed and said to figure it out myself. --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Fabbro wrote: > From: Fabbro > Subject: [Tigers] Steering Wheel Restoration > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 12:05 AM > Hi All > > I am working on a wood steering wheel. What material > is used to > replace the black insert section of the steering wheel? > Also were can > this strip of material be purchased? > > Thanks in advance. > > Kim > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 23:53:17 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:53:17 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Steering Wheel Restoration In-Reply-To: <534469.55265.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <534469.55265.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: was the black inlay a bakerlite? I though i remember it being a plastic like substance that would hbe damaged by paint/varnish stripers. The article Tony reffers to was in 2 parts in the TEAE newsletter in 2008 I think. -- Regards Michael King From parlanti at comcast.net Tue Jul 21 06:33:46 2009 From: parlanti at comcast.net (parlanti at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:33:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Steering Wheel Restoration In-Reply-To: <534469.55265.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1815810818.2353651248179626036.JavaMail.root@sz0120a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Tony, I wrote the article in 2007 and it was published in the May and June editions of TEAE's "Rootes Review". If your'e a member of TEAE, you can access the newsletters online. If not, let me know and I'll send over a copy. Cheers, Joe 1966 Tiger B382000026 Joseph V. Parlanti 16048 Copen Meadow Dr North Potomac, Md. 20878 Cell - 301-461-0626 Email - Parlanti at comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Somebody" To: tigers at autox.team.net, "Fabbro" Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 1:39:00 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering Wheel Restoration There was an article written by a member of TE/AE and or here. The article may well be found on the TU website or the TE site or it may have been a newsletter article. I remember bits about gluing the wood and reinishing it etc. BUT Im curious as well. So, if someone replies, please post it so this blonde will be a bit smarter. My Dr. told me just recently he thought I was getting smarter as I had lost weight.I ask if that meant I could only get dummber if I gained weight? He laughed and said to figure it out myself. snip... From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Tue Jul 21 08:07:11 2009 From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:07:11 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Steering Wheel Restoration Message-ID: Joe Parlanti did an article on the steering wheel restoration. It was in the May and June, 2007 issues of the TE/AE newsletter, the Rootes Review. First part was on the wheel and hub, the second on the horn ring, column covers and other miscellaneous details. Fred Baum Editor, the Rootes Review 9470768 From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Tue Jul 21 10:52:30 2009 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo)) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:52:30 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Steering Wheel Restoration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F878FD63FCA4DCC9968D4DD3F2D3347@jerry> Kim, I can only tell you how I did mine, it's been on the car for 9 years now and looks as it did when I put it on. I won't go into all the minor details, but will give you an overview how I did it. My wheel was in bad shape, it was broken in 8 places and pieces of wood (and black inlay) missing. I very carefully removed all the wood from the wheel top half and bottom half, I used a 3/8 dia. Ball router bit to carefully grind out all of the old "glue" from the inside of the wood where it was "glued" to the steel wheel rim. These pieces are very small and delicate especially the top piece with the inlay in it. One thing that was a problem was how to get the old inlay out of the grove. If you try to pull it out it will start to pull the wood that is glued next to it out and make a big mess. I used a heat gun and carfully heated the area and it came out very easy leaving a perfect 3/16 square grove. I used Titebond III glue to glue it all back together. I remember it was the fact that Titebond III was waterproof that I chose it, there are many glues on the market that will work I'm sure. After getting it back together (letting it dry for several weeks) and filling all of the imperfections with wood filler and using a small amount of stain to help camouflage the line between real wood and the wood filler, now I had this 3/16 inch grove all around that I didn't have a clue where I could find a 3/16 inch piece of anything that would work. I was flying along one day (I'm a retired airline pilot) and came up with this idea; I sprayed the wheel with high solids clear (that I used on the car) to "seal" the wood, then leveled the wheel and mixed some black paint (the paint I used on the car, Glasurit 21) put it in a small hypodermic stringe and carefully "shot" it into the grove, but not filling it. After this had cured I started to spray on the clear then sanding between coats until the grove started to "fill up" It took about 8 or 9 coats, but now I have a perfectly looking black "inlayed" line in my steering wheel. Well, this is how I did it 10 years ago, there other ways I'm sure. Good luck Jerry Christopherson 9473187 TAC insp. #58 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Fabbro Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:05 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Steering Wheel Restoration Hi All I am working on a wood steering wheel. What material is used to replace the black insert section of the steering wheel? Also were can this strip of material be purchased? Thanks in advance. Kim Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 21 12:51:44 2009 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 11:51:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Can This Tiger Be Saved? Message-ID: <924788.37887.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On Ebay is listed a really rough MK II, # 220455388283, that appears to be too far gone to be saved. It doesn't even look like there is enough "Tiger" parts to make an Alger. May it rust in peace! Jeff From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Jul 21 13:17:43 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:17:43 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Can This Tiger Be Saved? In-Reply-To: <924788.37887.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <924788.37887.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D1570190543E@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Looks like (and from the seller's description) it might break in half just getting it onto a trailer, let alone having it survive a trip of any length strapped down securely. I have a Series V Alpine shell that actually would be a good match for this car (it has good sheetmetal where this mkII has none), but even if you did your absolute best to replace only what had to be replaced, and doing a minimum number of middle-of-the-panel patches, I think you might end up with something that would push the boundaries of TAC-ability. When the entire floor pan has been replaced, should the chassis as a whole still be considered a Rootes-manufactured product? A buyer would likely be better off (and save a lot of money) by instead grafting the bodywork onto a tube frame designed around the Tiger track and wheelbase dimensions. At least there would be no Alger stigma. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols > Sent: July 21, 2009 12:52 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Can This Tiger Be Saved? > > On Ebay is listed a really rough MK II, # 220455388283, > that appears to be too far gone to be saved. It doesn't even > look like there is enough "Tiger" > parts to make an Alger. May it rust in peace! > > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From cmccann at lwpb.com Tue Jul 21 13:19:48 2009 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:19:48 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Can This Tiger Be Saved? In-Reply-To: <924788.37887.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <924788.37887.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473333C63D5D6A@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> ooooh...one of my favorite conversations and the beginnings of a great debate. my official position: YES!!!...anything can be saved with enough money and time involved...but its usually the car and project that the poor guys like me chase and the rich guys say is too far gone....which is fine with me, it gives an opportunity for the poor guys to play too. And when the car is all back together and it looks as good as new....if done right...no one will ever know you resurrected a mkII from certain death....then I get to rub shoulders with you cool guys and be part of the cool crowd....(it works better when you donbt know what I started with, but the concept is sound from my perspective...) I do however agree that this car would be ALLLOOOOTTT of work. its actually not the rust that scares me as bad as the wreck damage on the driver qtr panel.....that kinda thing has a tendency to ripple throughout a unibody...and you never know for sure how far it got. next thing you know the front fenders donbt line up....and you never find out why.... Actually I will back up a bit...the more I look at it, the more I notice it actually does have "structural rust" in the cross members...it would be a royal pain the square that car back up I think....but I bet someone buys it and "rebodies" it....which I donbt know FOR SURE how to feel about. Based off of prior conversations about "original tub" authenticity being the determining factor....then a rebody in of itself would be an alger I suppose...but again, if you took this car, replaced the floor pan, replaced the trunk pan, replaced the fenders and quarters....then you might as well have rebodied it, because only about 50lbs of the original tub is still there, enough to put in a suitcase..but yet people donbt frown on it as much....and its not at all uncommon to restore a car and replace all the skin and pans.......so honestly, I donbt know about that...it seems like more of a conceptual debate.................but yes, its one realllly rough old cat...poor thing....never had a chance...so neglected...left to die, alone.....just not humane On Ebay is listed a really rough MK II, # 220455388283, that appears to be too far gone to be saved. It doesn't even look like there is enough "Tiger" parts to make an Alger. May it rust in peace! Jeff _ From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 21 13:23:35 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:23:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Can This Tiger Be Saved? In-Reply-To: <924788.37887.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <547784.3498.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It can be saved. Maybe Mr. Obama would add the person to the stimulus bills as it would cost alot of money and a doner car or two. Looks like its barly a parts car as most of the high dollar Mk2 trim is gone. He said parts of the X frame are gone- rusted away Im guessing. Another sad story for Norms next book. TtT --- On Tue, 7/21/09, Jeffrey Nichols wrote: > From: Jeffrey Nichols > Subject: [Tigers] Can This Tiger Be Saved? > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 1:51 PM > On Ebay is listed a really rough MK > II, # 220455388283, that appears to be > too far gone to be saved. It doesn't even look like > there is enough "Tiger" > parts to make an Alger. May it rust in peace! > > > > > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Tue Jul 21 14:34:14 2009 From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:34:14 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Can This Tiger Be Saved? Message-ID: Too bad he doesn't give the complete VIN so we could give it a decent burial. Fred Baum 9470768 AND 382002353, just acquired but not picked up yet From DJoh797014 at aol.com Tue Jul 21 19:10:29 2009 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:10:29 EDT Subject: [Tigers] test msg 07/21 Message-ID: testing **************What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and easy dinner ideas for any occasion. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=emlcntusfood00000009) From DJoh797014 at aol.com Tue Jul 21 19:12:37 2009 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:12:37 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Djoh797014 back on Message-ID: My thanks to Mr. Laifman. It appears I back on the list. Maybe that's a bad thing. Dave **************What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and easy dinner ideas for any occasion. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=emlcntusfood00000009) From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 21 19:37:49 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Djoh797014 back on In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <542014.82068.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> WELCOME back Dave. TtT --- On Tue, 7/21/09, DJoh797014 at aol.com wrote: > From: DJoh797014 at aol.com > Subject: [Tigers] Djoh797014 back on > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 8:12 PM > My thanks to Mr. Laifman. > > It appears I back on the list. > > Maybe that's a bad thing. > > Dave > **************What's for dinner tonight? Find quick > and easy dinner ideas > for any occasion. > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=emlcntusfood00000009) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From spook01 at comcast.net Tue Jul 21 19:54:05 2009 From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:54:05 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Can This Tiger Be Saved? References: <924788.37887.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473333C63D5D6A@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: i wrote to the 0bama bailout center for another billion or so to rescue this poor car. they said they were printing it and a large box was on the way to restore the poor thing.. Best, Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cullen McCann" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Can This Tiger Be Saved? > ooooh...one of my favorite conversations and the beginnings of a great > debate. > > my official position: YES!!!...anything can be saved with enough money and > time involved...but its usually the car and project that the poor guys > like me chase and the rich guys say is too far gone....which is fine with > me, it gives an opportunity for the poor guys to play too. And when the > car is all back together and it looks as good as new....if done right...no > one will ever know you resurrected a mkII from certain death....then I get > to rub shoulders with you cool guys and be part of the cool crowd....(it > works better when you donbt know what I started with, but the concept is > sound from my perspective...) > > I do however agree that this car would be ALLLOOOOTTT of work. its > actually not the rust that scares me as bad as the wreck damage on the > driver qtr panel.....that kinda thing has a tendency to ripple throughout > a unibody...and you never know for sure how far it got. next thing you > know the front fenders donbt line up....and you never find out why.... > > Actually I will back up a bit...the more I look at it, the more I notice > it actually does have "structural rust" in the cross members...it would be > a royal pain the square that car back up I think....but I bet someone buys > it and "rebodies" it....which I donbt know FOR SURE how to feel about. > Based off of prior conversations about "original tub" authenticity being > the determining factor....then a rebody in of itself would be an alger I > suppose...but again, if you took this car, replaced the floor pan, > replaced the trunk pan, replaced the fenders and quarters....then you > might as well have rebodied it, because only about 50lbs of the original > tub is still there, enough to put in a suitcase..but yet people donbt > frown on it as much....and its not at all uncommon to restore a car and > replace all the skin and pans.......so honestly, I donbt know about > that...it seems like more of a conceptual debate.................but yes, > its one realllly rough old cat...poor thing....never > had a chance...so neglected...left to die, alone.....just not humane > > > > > > > > On Ebay is listed a really rough MK II, # 220455388283, that appears to > be > too far gone to be saved. It doesn't even look like there is enough > "Tiger" > parts to make an Alger. May it rust in peace! > > > Jeff > _ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Jul 22 08:34:21 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:34:21 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Can This Tiger Be Saved? In-Reply-To: <924788.37887.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E1FEE0913964F4CBF19873574042190@ronpc1> Jeff Massive injection of money can save nearly anything even this Tiger. Let's send it to "Overhauling" and watch them resurrect it in 1 week or is this a "ChopCut Recycle" project. It does have the earliest MK II engine number that I have seen or recorded; 1625-A11KK, if I'm reading the fuzzy picture correctly. Anyone on the list have an earlier MK II engine number than 1625-A11KK? Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:52 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Can This Tiger Be Saved? On Ebay is listed a really rough MK II, # 220455388283, that appears to be too far gone to be saved. It doesn't even look like there is enough "Tiger" parts to make an Alger. May it rust in peace! Jeff Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.20/2250 - Release Date: 07/21/09 05:58:00 From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Wed Jul 22 11:56:26 2009 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:56:26 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Can This Tiger Be Saved? In-Reply-To: <4E1FEE0913964F4CBF19873574042190@ronpc1> Message-ID: <20090722175626.LECUO.158775.root@hrndva-web11-z01> Why don't 20 of us get together and buy it. It would make the $50,000 restoration more palatable. Duke B382002037 ---- Ron Fraser wrote: > Jeff > > Massive injection of money can save nearly anything even this Tiger. > Let's send it to "Overhauling" and watch them resurrect it in 1 week or is > this a "ChopCut Recycle" project. > > It does have the earliest MK II engine number that I have seen or recorded; > 1625-A11KK, if I'm reading the fuzzy picture correctly. > > Anyone on the list have an earlier MK II engine number than 1625-A11KK? > > Ron Fraser > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 2:52 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Can This Tiger Be Saved? > > > On Ebay is listed a really rough MK II, # 220455388283, that appears to be > too far gone to be saved. It doesn't even look like there is enough "Tiger" > parts to make an Alger. May it rust in peace! > > > Jeff > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.20/2250 - Release Date: 07/21/09 > 05:58:00 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Jul 22 12:52:16 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:52:16 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Can This Tiger Be Saved? References: <20090722175626.LECUO.158775.root@hrndva-web11-z01> Message-ID: <2CB946D436274D339C74114CC6A10FF0@student2> So, a few days ago we saw the video of the "Buttonwillow Tiger" that was raced and crashed. Now we have the "Rust Bucket" Mark II. My recollection was that when the Buttonwillow Tiger was flipped over in the video the underside wasn't that bad. Can you see where I'm going with this? Now it is no longer a debate over how much a Tiger remains a Tiger when replaced with Alpine parts. Rather it could become a debate of how much a Mark II remains a Mark II when replaced with Mark I parts. And yes, I'm stupid enough to try something like this. Why? Because an Alger will always be an Alger. But, a Mark II regardless of condition will always be a Mark II. That said, someone will likely pay far more for just the trim and grill than I would for the whole car. So, another crazy dream ended and a heavy sigh of relief exhibited from my wife. :-) Tom From cmccann at lwpb.com Wed Jul 22 13:44:01 2009 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:44:01 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Can This Tiger Be Saved? In-Reply-To: <2CB946D436274D339C74114CC6A10FF0@student2> References: <20090722175626.LECUO.158775.root@hrndva-web11-z01> <2CB946D436274D339C74114CC6A10FF0@student2> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473333C63D5FC2@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> hehe....yes, someone will pay for the trim, the grill...and THE VIN PLATE....... why did he keep the last digits of the VIN a secret?...both in the verbiage and the photo he covers it up with tape.....is that so if the future owner does bring the car back no one will know the condition of the car from whence it came?.....some other reason? ...........That said, someone will likely pay far more for just the trim and grill than I would for the whole car. So, another crazy dream ended and a heavy sigh of relief exhibited from my wife. :-) Tom From Carmods at aol.com Wed Jul 22 14:08:20 2009 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:08:20 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Can This Tiger Be Saved? Message-ID: I believe the front grill surround picture is one of either an Alpine part or Tiger 1A, not a MKll. John Logan **************What's for dinner tonight? Find quick and easy dinner ideas for any occasion. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?ncid=emlcntusfood00000009) From macdonald49 at shaw.ca Wed Jul 22 21:44:53 2009 From: macdonald49 at shaw.ca (Peter MacDonald) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:44:53 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] New Tiger Frame Message-ID: Theo- Ask and you shall receive!! Check this out - along with a couple more with similar titles. Peter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhxX-OJn4PQ&feature=related From zymmer4 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 23 09:04:19 2009 From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] New Tiger Frame Message-ID: <989875.38754.qm@web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi, This looks like the Most Agressive project I have ever seen on the Tiger..If plans were made to introduce this car into production, I am certain it would sell a few . The rear suspension..tranny is just poetry..soon to be in motion. Howard The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Wed, 7/22/09, Peter MacDonald wrote: From: Peter MacDonald Subject: [Tigers] New Tiger Frame To: Tigers at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 11:44 PM Theo- Ask and you shall receive!! Check this out - along with a couple more with similar titles. Peter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhxX-OJn4PQ&feature=related Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Thu Jul 23 10:09:43 2009 From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] THE WOODSTOCK (NY) BRITISH CAR MEET - SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 26th Message-ID: <30819801.1248365383899.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> The Second Annual WOODSTOCK BRITISH CAR MEET (British motorcycles & pre-1980 European cars invited too) SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 26th - 10:00AM to 4:PM (Rain Date: Sunday, September 27) AT THE WOODSTOCK PLAYHOUSE Intersection of Route 212 and Route 375, Woodstock, NY Join more than 100 British car owners for a smashing display of classic, quirky, and lovable British classics, right in the heart of Woodstock New York and the Catskill Mountains. Don't have a show car? Don't worry! Projects-in-progress, daily drivers, and vintage racers are just as welcome as Concours quality show cars. If it's British, bring it! The heart of the picturesque and historic hamlet of Woodstock is just a few minutes walk from the Playhouse, offering shops, restaurants, live music, & much more. Cars will enter the field starting at 10:AM, and the fun goes on all day. Around 2 pm, we'll present awards, including People's Choice and the Longest Distance Traveled. Spectators are welcome - FREE parking is available. The registration fee for British cars is $15 per car at the gate; there is no pre-registration. All of the proceeds from this event benefit the non-profit Woodstock Playhouse. non-profit Food and Refreshments will be available DIRECTIONS >From NYS Thruway / I-87: Take Exit 19 (Kingston) and head west on Route 28 for 5.8 miles (Speed Trap - stay under 50 mph) then turn right onto Route 375 North, which will end 2.9 miles later at Route 212 and the Playhouse. >From Saugerties (Exit 20) Take Route 212 West into the hamlet of Woodstock. The intersection of Route 375 will be on your left; the Playhouse entrance is on your right. From points west: Take Route 28 East to Route 375 North. Travel 2.9 miles, and the road will end at Route 212 and the Playhouse. FOR MORE INFORMATION: e-mail Woodstock.British at gmail.com From v8tracker at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 14:36:04 2009 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:36:04 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Brake cleaner danger Message-ID: <98558EA1A1444200B9DC245E7625EC54@DellD4700> Below is a link from my motorcycle list to an article written by a guy who used brake cleaner as a metal cleaner before welding. http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm I'm not a welder, but it sounded scary enough to pass on, even if it turns out to be another internet hoax. A. C. Tynes New Orleans From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Jul 23 15:07:54 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:07:54 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Brake cleaner danger In-Reply-To: <98558EA1A1444200B9DC245E7625EC54@DellD4700> References: <98558EA1A1444200B9DC245E7625EC54@DellD4700> Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905452@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> It sounds plausible enough. The main danger comes from the chlorine component of tetrachoroethylene - there are way too many corrosive gases that you can easily create by heating that stuff. By comparison, here's a link to an MSDS for a carb cleaner product: http://www.emzone.ca/MSDS-emzone-44009-G9-Air%20Intake%20Carb%20&%20Chok e%20Cleaner.pdf Some very volatile compounds (explosion or fire hazard) but they're all hydrocarbons (some containing oxygen, some not) so that limits the range of combustion products. Still, not necessarily good - a common byproduct of incomplete alcohol combustion is formaldehyde. So... clean and dry your materials before welding! Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of A. C. Tynes > Sent: July 23, 2009 2:36 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Brake cleaner danger > > Below is a link from my motorcycle list to an article written > by a guy who used brake cleaner as a metal cleaner before welding. > > http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm > > I'm not a welder, but it sounded scary enough to pass on, > even if it turns out to be another internet hoax. > > A. C. Tynes > New Orleans > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From atwittsend at verizon.net Thu Jul 23 15:13:34 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:13:34 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Brake cleaner danger Message-ID: The Phosgene issue seems to be real. I found stuff at OCHOA supporting it. While I doubt it is an internet hoax in checking about 10-12 web sites they all referred back to the one article that A.C. linked. So??? I used about 35 cans of brake parts cleaner ($1.00 each when K-Mart closed) to prep my Tiger where I applied POR-15. Also of interest is that Phosgene's are associated with isocyanates which I know is related to something in POR-15. Great I probably created (welding) and breathed "something" in the process of working on the Tiger. While I have no repertory issues I could list a whole bunch of other things that make me feel like I'm 80. Tom From tiger at sabr2th.com Thu Jul 23 16:18:16 2009 From: tiger at sabr2th.com (Sabr2th) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:18:16 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] New Tiger Frame Message-ID: Was this a real Tiger? If so, is it still? Theo- Ask and you shall receive!! Check this out - along with a couple more with similar titles. Peter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhxX-OJn4PQ&feature=related Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Jul 23 16:48:37 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:48:37 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] New Tiger Frame In-Reply-To: <989875.38754.qm@web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <989875.38754.qm@web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905457@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> There are some more pictures and comments by the owner on BritishV8.org: http://forum.britishv8.org/read.php?12,854,7370 They date from about a year and a half ago... Wonder how it's coming along? Is Peter Glenk a list subscriber? Reading the comments suggests that it was an Alpine to begin with. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Howard gentry > Sent: July 23, 2009 9:04 AM > To: Peter MacDonald; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] New Tiger Frame > > Hi, > This looks like the Most Agressive project I have ever > seen on the Tiger..If plans were made to introduce this car > into production, I am certain it would sell a few . The rear > suspension..tranny is just poetry..soon to be in motion. > Howard > The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. > > --- On Wed, 7/22/09, Peter MacDonald wrote: > > > From: Peter MacDonald > Subject: [Tigers] New Tiger Frame > To: Tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2009, 11:44 PM > > > Theo- > > Ask and you shall receive!! Check this out - along with a > couple more with similar titles. > > Peter > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhxX-OJn4PQ&feature=related > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From chris at cthompson.net Thu Jul 23 19:49:50 2009 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:49:50 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Brake cleaner danger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A69133E.8090308@cthompson.net> Oh, heck, that ain't nothin'. For those of you who use five or six point harnesses, check out this under-reported issue that's been making the rounds today. I think about this just about every time I snap on the sub-belt. Apologizing in advance for the graphic content... http://bit.ly/iXkMh Chris Thomas Witt wrote: > The Phosgene issue seems to be real. I found stuff at OCHOA supporting > it. > While I doubt it is an internet hoax in checking about 10-12 web sites > they > all referred back to the one article that A.C. linked. So??? > > I used about 35 cans of brake parts cleaner ($1.00 each when K-Mart > closed) > to prep my Tiger where I applied POR-15. Also of interest is that > Phosgene's are associated with isocyanates which I know is related to > something in POR-15. > Great I probably created (welding) and breathed "something" in the > process > of working on the Tiger. While I have no repertory issues I could list a > whole bunch of other things that make me feel like I'm 80. > Tom From nr.shaw at shaw.ca Thu Jul 23 20:57:56 2009 From: nr.shaw at shaw.ca (Norm Shaw) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:57:56 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] vintage race mission B.C. Message-ID: <000001ca0c0a$8befdf40$a3cf9dc0$@shaw@shaw.ca> A shot from last week's vintage race in Mission British Columbia at the 50th anniversary of the westwood race track . Four tigers entered. This is Doug Yip in his very strong mark II. Norm Shaw [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Mission 8 (5).jpg] From glowboy at starstream.net Thu Jul 23 21:41:24 2009 From: glowboy at starstream.net (DERRICK SCHMIDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:41:24 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] New Tiger Frame Message-ID: <200907232041.AA3089170582@mail.starstream.net> Who cares, I'd trade my "real Tiger" for it in a heartbeat! Derrick ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Sabr2th Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:18:16 -0500 >Was this a real Tiger? >If so, is it still? > >Theo- > >Ask and you shall receive!! Check this out - along with a couple more >with similar titles. > >Peter > > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.starstream.net From todbrown at roadrunner.com Fri Jul 24 12:41:34 2009 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 14:41:34 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Brake Cleaner Danger Message-ID: <4A6A005E.1080206@roadrunner.com> The chemistry seems pretty straight-forward, so I would not ignore this warning. Phosgene is bad stuff. My Dad was in the trenches in WWI in France and once described to me some of what he saw happen to those exposed. A pretty strong impression on a young lad. Tod B382002384LRXFE From drmoonstone at aol.com Fri Jul 24 16:30:30 2009 From: drmoonstone at aol.com (drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:30:30 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Brake Cleaner Danger In-Reply-To: <4A6A005E.1080206@roadrunner.com> References: <4A6A005E.1080206@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <8CBDAC57C07C5C3-126C-1299@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> Another name...Mustard Gas. In the 70's they banned the use of flame torch's for locating freon leaks...you guessed it....phosgene. Moonstone (finally back no thanks to aol) The chemistry seems pretty straight-forward, so I would not ignore this warning. Phosgene is bad stuff. My Dad was in the trenches in WWI in France and once described to me some of what he saw happen to those exposed. A pretty strong impression on a young lad. Tod B382002384LRXFE From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net Fri Jul 24 17:13:25 2009 From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:13:25 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Brake Cleaner Danger In-Reply-To: <8CBDAC57C07C5C3-126C-1299@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> References: <4A6A005E.1080206@roadrunner.com> <8CBDAC57C07C5C3-126C-1299@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4A6A4015.5070902@cox.net> So, what all this comes down to is, if a terrorist wants to create a poison gas device (that sentence should set off alarm bells at whatever NSA automated tracker monitors our e-mails), all they have to do is go into the local Pep Boys, buy a bunch of brake cleaner, squirt it into a different container and hook up some kind of flame generator (or maybe just explode the spray can it comes in), put the thing in a crowded place, and....... This is NOT a comforting thought!!! And what's worse is that the bad guys probably already know stuff like this. I suspect I'll be wide awake all night with that. David Sosna drmoonstone at aol.com wrote: > Another name...Mustard Gas. In the 70's they banned the use of flame > torch's for locating freon leaks...you guessed it....phosgene. > > Moonstone (finally back no thanks to aol) > > > > The chemistry seems pretty straight-forward, so I would not ignore this > warning. Phosgene is bad stuff. My Dad was in the trenches in WWI in > France and once described to me some of what he saw happen to those > exposed. A pretty strong impression on a young lad. > > Tod > B382002384LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4275 (20090724) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Jul 24 17:25:22 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:25:22 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Brake Cleaner Danger In-Reply-To: <4A6A4015.5070902@cox.net> References: <8CBDAC57C07C5C3-126C-1299@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> <4A6A4015.5070902@cox.net> Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905462@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Based on our trip to SUNI V, I'd suggest you move to southeastern Montana. No crowds, no local Pep Boys, and no brake cleaner. In fact, there's just a whole lot of nothing there. ;) Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Sosna > Sent: July 24, 2009 5:13 PM > To: drmoonstone at aol.com > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net; todbrown at roadrunner.com > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Cleaner Danger > > I suspect I'll be wide awake all night with that. > > David Sosna From marcsmall at comcast.net Fri Jul 24 17:23:52 2009 From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:23:52 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Brake Cleaner Danger In-Reply-To: <8CBDAC57C07C5C3-126C-1299@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> References: <4A6A005E.1080206@roadrunner.com> <8CBDAC57C07C5C3-126C-1299@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20090724233024.0698718787E@autox.team.net> At 06:30 PM 7/24/2009, drmoonstone at aol.com wrote: >Another name...Mustard Gas. In the 70's they banned the use of flame >torch's for locating freon leaks...you guessed it....phosgene. > Mustard Gas is not Phosgene. Check out the Wikipedia entry for discussion. Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From sralsten at ca.rr.com Sat Jul 25 10:16:06 2009 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 12:16:06 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] New Tiger Frame In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090725161607.R9YB7.568513.root@cdptpa-web08-z01> As far as Tigers go I'm still firmly entrenced in the factory stock camp but that would be a great idea for an Alpine. Steve ---- Sabr2th wrote: > Was this a real Tiger? > If so, is it still? > > Theo- > > Ask and you shall receive!! Check this out - along with a couple more > with similar titles. > > Peter > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhxX-OJn4PQ&feature=related > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 26 11:07:39 2009 From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:07:39 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] spare drive shaft anyone? (propshaft) Message-ID: Hi everyone, does anyone have a spare drive-shaft they will see or swap ? I bought back my old tiger and somewhere along the line the DPO lost it ! I have some nice parts to trade if preferred. - pair of Rootes (Lumax) lights, hard top rear window trims for example. If you can help please let me know, I will pay shipping Many thanks -- Jeff Howarth (CAT Mbr) B9470974 LRX FE B38200204 LRO FE B9472317 HOR FE - needing a drive sahft From dsmtjoy at cox.net Sun Jul 26 12:50:41 2009 From: dsmtjoy at cox.net (Mountjoy) Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 11:50:41 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 284 References: Message-ID: Jeff, You can have a drive shaft made reasonably. That is unless you "need" an original. Since you have two Tigers you already have the specs to have one made. I found out how reasonable they were to have made when I put a 5-speed in my Mk I and wanted a bit more length to be compatible with the new trans. I also had a drive shaft shortened on the LM Tiger when we were restoring it. Somewhere along the line it "became" too long to have free movement throughout the suspension's full travel without binding. This was also reasonably priced. (Ya think that's why the car did goofy things on the track??) Hard top trim? That's a gold mine, worth far more than a ol' drive shaft. FWIW. Darrell ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:07:39 +0100 > From: Jeff Howarth > Subject: [Tigers] spare drive shaft anyone? (propshaft) > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed > > Hi everyone, > > does anyone have a spare drive-shaft they will see or swap ? > > I bought back my old tiger and somewhere along the line the DPO lost it > ! > > I have some nice parts to trade if preferred. - pair of Rootes (Lumax) > lights, hard top rear window trims for example. > > If you can help please let me know, I will pay shipping > > Many thanks > > -- > Jeff Howarth (CAT Mbr) > > B9470974 LRX FE > B38200204 LRO FE > B9472317 HOR FE - needing a drive sahft > > > ------------------------------ From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Jul 27 08:46:58 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:46:58 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 284 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905463@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> About three weeks before SUNI I figured out I had a leak from the tail housing of the transmission - turned out to be a combination of the original driveshaft being a little short for the application (T5), the tailhousing bushing being worn, and the tailhousing seal being old and brittle. When I took the driveshaft to our local reputable driveline shop (Standen's, for those in the Calgary area) the guy quickly checked things over and noticed that the yoke was worn out - the needle bearing cap was loose in the yoke on one side. He did a bunch of checking but couldn't find a local source for a new or used yoke, so I ended up getting one from Modern Driveline in Idaho: http://www.moderndriveline.com/index.html. Standen's then built the driveshaft and it's now working great. I ordered the yoke online and had it in my hands about three working days later - pretty good for an international shipment. If they (or another driveline specialist) can also supply the driveshaft flanges for a 2" diameter .120" wall thickness driveshaft then you have all the parts required for a driveshaft shop to build a brand new piece. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mountjoy > Sent: July 26, 2009 12:51 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 284 > > Jeff, > > You can have a drive shaft made reasonably. That is unless > you "need" an original. Since you have two Tigers you > already have the specs to have one made. > > I found out how reasonable they were to have made when I put > a 5-speed in my Mk I and wanted a bit more length to be > compatible with the new trans. > > I also had a drive shaft shortened on the LM Tiger when we > were restoring it. Somewhere along the line it "became" too > long to have free movement throughout the suspension's full > travel without binding. This was also reasonably priced. > (Ya think that's why the car did goofy things on the > track??) > > Hard top trim? That's a gold mine, worth far more than a ol' > drive shaft. > > FWIW. > > Darrell > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:07:39 +0100 > > From: Jeff Howarth > > Subject: [Tigers] spare drive shaft anyone? (propshaft) > > To: tigers at autox.team.net > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > does anyone have a spare drive-shaft they will see or swap ? > > > > I bought back my old tiger and somewhere along the line the > DPO lost > > it ! > > > > I have some nice parts to trade if preferred. - pair of > Rootes (Lumax) > > lights, hard top rear window trims for example. > > > > If you can help please let me know, I will pay shipping > > > > Many thanks > > > > -- > > Jeff Howarth (CAT Mbr) > > > > B9470974 LRX FE > > B38200204 LRO FE > > B9472317 HOR FE - needing a drive sahft > > > > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Jul 27 08:58:06 2009 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:58:06 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Clutch pedal Message-ID: I was knocked off the mailing list. I'm curious to know if this shows up. Mark L My clutch pedal sets about 1" lower than my brake pedal. The clutch engagement/disengagement takes place too close to the floor for my liking. I'm thinking that if the pedal sat at a higher point the disengagement would also be at a higher point. My pedal has only one pedal to rod attaching hole (slightly slotted). I know some cars have two holes in the pedal and the manual shows 2 holes. So, changing holes is not an option. I have a spacer about 1/2" thick between the MC and the firewall. Does everyone have the same thickness spacer? If I remove the spacer or substitute with a thinner spacer this seemingly would move the pedal to a higher position. Would it move the engagement position of the pedal to a higher position? Or are there long and short push rods in the MC which would accomplish the same thing? I hope my explanation/questions is clear. Mark ____________________________________ _Dell Deals: Treat yourself to a sweet deal on popular laptops!_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223100673x1201716527/aol?redir=http://altfa rm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/12309-81939-1629-7) **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823322x1201398723/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Jul 27 09:56:42 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:56:42 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Clutch pedal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3A55FAB4E8244BF189F8BF694AC76894@ronpc1> Mark Your back on. My Alpine Parts list shows a brake pedal with 2 holes from Series II and up. This makes me think your pedal is not correct and has the wrong shape which would throw all the movement off; but this is just my guess right now. Removing the spacer might help but if the pedal is wrong it may not help. There are too many variables here. The Master and slave have to be sized correctly to each other, the push rod needs to be the correct length and the push rod need to attach to the pedal at a point to give the correct throw. I only include these because I don't know the history of the parts on your car or if they have been changed sometime in the past. I would probably make a simple bracket first to move the push rod at the pedal towards the Master about 1/2" and see if the results were what I wanted and expected. I would use a block of wood or plywood to make this bracket to see if this concept works correctly then if it does make one out of steel or aluminum. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 10:58 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Clutch pedal I was knocked off the mailing list. I'm curious to know if this shows up. Mark L My clutch pedal sets about 1" lower than my brake pedal. The clutch engagement/disengagement takes place too close to the floor for my liking. I'm thinking that if the pedal sat at a higher point the disengagement would also be at a higher point. My pedal has only one pedal to rod attaching hole (slightly slotted). I know some cars have two holes in the pedal and the manual shows 2 holes. So, changing holes is not an option. I have a spacer about 1/2" thick between the MC and the firewall. Does everyone have the same thickness spacer? If I remove the spacer or substitute with a thinner spacer this seemingly would move the pedal to a higher position. Would it move the engagement position of the pedal to a higher position? Or are there long and short push rods in the MC which would accomplish the same thing? I hope my explanation/questions is clear. Mark ____________________________________ _Dell Deals: Treat yourself to a sweet deal on popular laptops!_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223100673x1201716527/aol?redir=htt p://altfa rm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/12309-81939-1629-7) **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823322x1201398723/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.32/2266 - Release Date: 07/27/09 05:58:00 From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Mon Jul 27 13:57:49 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 12:57:49 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger List, AOL, and loss of Tiger List connectivity Message-ID: <4A6E06BD.6000808@SoCal.rr.com> Tigers, More than a few list members have lost connection to the Tiger List. The thing they all had in common was the use of AOL as the internet provider. I sent them a list of things to try, and one recommendation worked. I sent them a web address to try, and they signed in again - using their original email address and password. It worked, and they can get the list posts. Here is the link: http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers Strangely enough, their messages got through, but they could not receive their messages, or anyone else's. Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Jul 27 14:23:34 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:23:34 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger List, AOL, and loss of Tiger List connectivity In-Reply-To: <4A6E06BD.6000808@SoCal.rr.com> References: <4A6E06BD.6000808@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905467@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> It seems that AOL has updated their spam blocking so it automatically (but temporarily) blacklists IP addresses when a spam email is detected. Problem with this is that if any AOL user clicks on one of the list emails and indicates it's spam (accidentally or otherwise), then the Tigers list gets blocked for all AOL users. Moreover, now the list emails for all the AOL users will get bounced back to the autox mail server. When the autox mail server detects an inordinate number of bouncebacks from a particular subscriber, that subscriber will get deleted from the list. This can all happen silently and unless someone checks over list logs to do a post-mortem, no one will really know what happened except that the AOL users are hung out to dry. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Laifman > Sent: July 27, 2009 1:58 PM > To: Tiger's Den > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger List, AOL, and loss of Tiger List connectivity > > Tigers, > > More than a few list members have lost connection to the Tiger List. > > The thing they all had in common was the use of AOL as the > internet provider. > > I sent them a list of things to try, and one recommendation worked. > > I sent them a web address to try, and they signed in again - > using their original email address and password. > > It worked, and they can get the list posts. > > Here is the link: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > Strangely enough, their messages got through, but they could > not receive their messages, or anyone else's. > > Steve > > -- > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From achd73 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 27 14:48:03 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 13:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Gas Tank plating /rust removal Message-ID: <912412.16160.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Listers- I joined an electroplating site many months back. Hoping one day to be able to chrome plate Beam parts for myself and possibly others. Ive learned alot but Im still a long way from setting up tanks to plate nickle, much less chrome. Another member had recently ask about plating the inside of a motorcycle tank but first need to remove the rust. Earlier today a member posted a different method of using DC power to remove rust. The use of salt is something new to me. He did say that goggle had many methods, so Im guessing this one was from there. I thought I would pass it along in case anyone is considering the removal of rust from parts.Or just FYI. TonytheTiger Hello Kirk, type 'electrolytic rust removal' into google and you will find hundreds of remedies. The one I use is salt and a car battery , using a series of side lamp bulbs as voltage/current droppers, easy peasy, and cheap as chips, try 3 x 5 watt bulbs/lamps first and watch the immersion time as the method described can eventually dissolve the whole tank in a worst case scenario. Whilst carrying out the treatment 'suck and see' every 5 mins or so espcially if the tank is thin. I use it myself with a 100% success rate, just remember that more salt or more current equals more material removed, so use both sparingly until you get used to it. Its the cheapest most efficient way I have tried regarding rust removal from iron/steel parts. Hope this helps you out as much as it did myself, just remember that despite how little salt or d.c. current you use, it will always strip the crap off steel. Kind regards, Bob. P.S. If you want to get an idea of how well it works, get an old piece of steel, paint your initials in it with cellulose paint then place the steel sheet in a gallon plastic container of water, that has had 2 cups of table salt added to it, connect directly to a good car battery for 5 mins. using a copper tube as the anode and connect the steel sheet to the negative side of the battery, DO THIS outdoors, the fumes do not promote either a long, or healthy life. When you remove it from solution your initials should stand out like peeholes in the snow. See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Yahoo! Buzz. __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (12) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! 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TtT From bamcnulty at optonline.net Mon Jul 27 19:03:16 2009 From: bamcnulty at optonline.net (Tony McNulty) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:03:16 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger List, AOL, and loss of Tiger List connectivity References: <4A6E06BD.6000808@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <4F743803BFE544B492F280B63E74FC05@your4dacd0ea75> It's not called Almost On Line for nothing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Laifman" To: "Tiger's Den" Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 3:57 PM Subject: [Tigers] Tiger List, AOL, and loss of Tiger List connectivity > Tigers, > > More than a few list members have lost connection to the Tiger List. > > The thing they all had in common was the use of AOL as the internet > provider. > > I sent them a list of things to try, and one recommendation worked. > > I sent them a web address to try, and they signed in again - using their > original email address and password. > > It worked, and they can get the list posts. > > Here is the link: > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > Strangely enough, their messages got through, but they could not receive > their messages, or anyone else's. > > Steve > > -- > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.33/2267 - Release Date: 07/27/09 17:59:00 From drmoonstone at aol.com Mon Jul 27 19:59:02 2009 From: drmoonstone at aol.com (drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:59:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Brake Cleaner Danger In-Reply-To: <200907241930.8e54a6a440426b@rly-md01.mx.aol.com> References: <200907241930.8e54a6a440426b@rly-md01.mx.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBDD3E1D806E18-1410-1AC1@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com> At 06:30 PM 7/24/2009, drmoonstone at aol.com wrote: >Another name...Mustard Gas. In the 70's they banned the use of flame >torch's for locating freon leaks...you guessed it....phosgene. > Mustard Gas is not Phosgene. Check out the Wikipedia entry for discussion. Marc Where phosgene is found and how it is used Phosgene was used extensively during World War I as a choking (pulmonary) agent. Among the chemicals used in the war, phosgene was responsible for the large majority of deaths. Phosgene is not found naturally in the environment. Phosgene is used in industry to produce many other chemicals such as pesticides. Phosgene can be formed when chlorinated hydrocarbon compounds are exposed to high temperatures. Chlorinated hydrocarbon compounds are substances sometimes used or created in industry that contain the elements chlorine, hydrogen, and carbon. The vapors of chlorinated solvents exposed to high temperatures have been known to produce phosgene. Chlorinated solvents are chlorine-containing chemicals that are typically used in industrial processes to dissolve or clean other materials, such as in paint stripping, metal cleaning, and dry cleaning. Phosgene gas is heavier than air, so it would be more likely found in low-lying areas. CDC Info. Phosgene was a component added to mustard gas during WW1. Because it was heavier than air it made the deliery of the weapon much more deadly and effective. The bulletin we recieved from the State of Ca. years ago indicated that the flame method of detecting freon leaks produced Phosgene, a component used in mustard gas. I do stand corrected for not making clear the relationship of phosgene to mustard gas. Thanks for pointing that out. Moonstone From marcsmall at comcast.net Mon Jul 27 22:40:56 2009 From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:40:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] OT: Chemical Gases in Combat In-Reply-To: <7.1.0.9.2.20090724192321.04fb0110@comcast.net> References: <4A6A005E.1080206@roadrunner.com> <8CBDAC57C07C5C3-126C-1299@MBLK-M01.sysops.aol.com> <7.1.0.9.2.20090724192321.04fb0110@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20090728044115.ADEF0187663@autox.team.net> An excerpt from "How to Tell the Gases" by Fairfax Downey, Major, Field Artillery, as printed in Brigadier General Adlen H. Waitt, GAS WARFARE, New York: Duell, Slon and Pearce, 1943. Maud Muller on a summer day, Smelled the odor of new-mown hay. She turned to the Judge who was turning green, "Put on your mask! That there's Phosgene!" and Never take some chances if Garlic you should strongly sniff. Don't think Mussolini's passed. Man, you're being mustard-gassed! Their odors are quite distinct, as are their colors. The later nerve agents are rather a different story. These tend to be colorless and odorless and to have about the specific gravity of air. Since the late 1940's, at least in the NATO nations, the response to seeing someone falling on the ground and jerking about is to a) don your own mask b) start yelling, "GAS! GAS") to the limit your mask will permit (it isn't much) and then telling your Next Higher HQ of the incident. You THEN pop some Atropine or Nerve Gas Antidote on the fallen dudes, and send them back to the rear as walking wounded. Aren't you glad you asked? Marc >Marc > >msmall at aya.yale.edu >Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Jul 28 09:53:11 2009 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Brake Cleaner Danger In-Reply-To: <8CBDD3E1D806E18-1410-1AC1@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com> References: <200907241930.8e54a6a440426b@rly-md01.mx.aol.com> <8CBDD3E1D806E18-1410-1AC1@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <851780.30499.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just checking stock (some old) Brake and Carb cleaners and they are all Chlorinated chemials free. So can I spray parts and heat up with a torch and not die? I'm guessing it was the chlorinated stuff that was the real problem not that the other petrolum distillates are safer but seems to be less of a problem these days. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "drmoonstone at aol.com" To: marcsmall at comcast.net; todbrown at roadrunner.com; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 6:59:02 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake Cleaner Danger At 06:30 PM 7/24/2009, drmoonstone at aol.com wrote: >Another name...Mustard Gas. In the 70's they banned the use of flame >torch's for locating freon leaks...you guessed it....phosgene. > Mustard Gas is not Phosgene. Check out the Wikipedia entry for discussion. Marc Where phosgene is found and how it is used Phosgene was used extensively during World War I as a choking (pulmonary) agent. Among the chemicals used in the war, phosgene was responsible for the large majority of deaths. Phosgene is not found naturally in the environment. Phosgene is used in industry to produce many other chemicals such as pesticides. Phosgene can be formed when chlorinated hydrocarbon compounds are exposed to high temperatures. Chlorinated hydrocarbon compounds are substances sometimes used or created in industry that contain the elements chlorine, hydrogen, and carbon. The vapors of chlorinated solvents exposed to high temperatures have been known to produce phosgene. Chlorinated solvents are chlorine-containing chemicals that are typically used in industrial processes to dissolve or clean other materials, such as in paint stripping, metal cleaning, and dry cleaning. Phosgene gas is heavier than air, so it would be more likely found in low-lying areas. CDC Info. Phosgene was a component added to mustard gas during WW1. Because it was heavier than air it made the deliery of the weapon much more deadly and effective. The bulletin we recieved from the State of Ca. years ago indicated that the flame method of detecting freon leaks produced Phosgene, a component used in mustard gas. I do stand corrected for not making clear the relationship of phosgene to mustard gas. Thanks for pointing that out. Moonstone _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From MACHWIL at aol.com Tue Jul 28 12:18:51 2009 From: MACHWIL at aol.com (MACHWIL at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:18:51 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Test Message-ID: This is a test only. **************A bad credit score is 600 & below. Checking won't affect your score. See now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823322x1201398723/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgI D=62&bcd=JulyBadfooterNO62) From tgrrr at peoplepc.com Tue Jul 28 12:38:52 2009 From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 11:38:52 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Modern Driveline Message-ID: Happened to see the following on Modern Driveline's web site: "Custom transmissions - One of our custom transmissions is a Ford World Class, front shift T5 that is ideal for Falcons, Hotrods, and 2x4 5.0L Ranger conversions. Custom solutions are created for applications behind Y-blocks and Flatheads." Has anyone checked with them about a Tiger T5 conversion shifter solution? http://www.moderndriveline.com/index.html Bob H From MWood24020 at aol.com Tue Jul 28 12:57:29 2009 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 14:57:29 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Modern Driveline Message-ID: Bruce Couture is a good guy (Modern Driveline), he used to be very active here in NorCal with Shelby club...and, iirc, he went to Tom Hall at Tiger Engineering when interested in a solution for the Tiger/T5 swap. Your best bet is to contact Tom, he's on this list. Mike In a message dated 7/28/2009 11:39:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tgrrr at peoplepc.com writes: Happened to see the following on Modern Driveline's web site: "Custom transmissions - One of our custom transmissions is a Ford World Class, front shift T5 that is ideal for Falcons, Hotrods, and 2x4 5.0L Ranger conversions. Custom solutions are created for applications behind Y-blocks and Flatheads." Has anyone checked with them about a Tiger T5 conversion shifter solution? http://www.moderndriveline.com/index.html Bob H Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************A bad credit score is 600 & below. Checking won't affect your score. See now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823322x1201398723/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgI D=62&bcd=JulyBadfooterNO62) From modtiger at comcast.net Tue Jul 28 13:46:48 2009 From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 12:46:48 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Modern Driveline In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20090728123358.05d097e8@comcast.net> At 11:38 AM 7/28/2009, you wrote: >Happened to see the following on Modern Driveline's web site: > >"Custom transmissions - One of our custom transmissions is a Ford >World Class, front shift T5 that is ideal for Falcons, Hotrods, and >2x4 5.0L Ranger conversions. Custom solutions are created for >applications behind Y-blocks and Flatheads." > >Has anyone checked with them about a Tiger T5 conversion shifter solution? When he was still in San Jose, Bruce and I discussed partnering on the tailhousing I was developing to fit the T5 into the Tiger. Discussions ended when he insisted that he would "own" the tooling and I could buy from him. I proceeded to complete my design and development of my casting and kit and commenced production several years ago. I now have about 35 happy Tiger customers using my MTE T5 kits. My kit allows the T5 to be installed with a very minor dent (reversable) in the tranny tunnel and the shifter exits the OEM shifter hole. It uses the OEM speedometer cable and this exit is above the ATF level which reduces leakage problems. The kit was engineered to eliminate all of the problems and compromises associated with the use of the AMC and S10 tailhousings. It also fit on the G-Force T5 transmission. The kit is described on my web site shown below, including installation procedures. Bruce did build a Tiger T5 several years ago for Pat King using a cut up Ford tailhousing. It is essentially the same as the one I built in the early 90's for my med blue Tiger. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Tue Jul 28 18:12:56 2009 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 20:12:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] phosgene gas Message-ID: <000d01ca0fe1$53274060$0201a8c0@chesapeake4> Hi Listers, one way to get this gas or not....if R12 refridgerant is run through the intake on your running engine it may come out the tailpipe, be careful when R12 is being used to charge an ac system if you use the old shake the can method of recharging an old system, Clyde From vegaslegal at aol.com Tue Jul 28 19:27:13 2009 From: vegaslegal at aol.com (vegaslegal at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:27:13 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hey! Message-ID: <8CBDE02D5B074EB-1378-1AB5@Webmail-mg03.sim.aol.com> Today, after having been de-listed, de-frocked, and de-fenestrated, AOL seems to have fixed whatever the issue was, and team.net seems to have un-de-listed me.? Great to be back.? Missed you all. From MACHWIL at aol.com Wed Jul 29 15:16:43 2009 From: MACHWIL at aol.com (MACHWIL at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:16:43 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Test Message-ID: Steve, I guess maybe I don't understand what's going on (except that aol is screwed up) I rec'd a few hits and in the last couple of days, nothing again The CAT group has a new site, but it's not very active as yet. Bud Williams. 00490 **************Hot Deals at Dell on Popular Laptops perfect for Back to School (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223106546x1201717234/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D8) Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (rly-mb08.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.166]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMB082-d1d4a709bce14e; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:58:37 -0400 Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.123]) by rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB081-d1d4a709bce14e; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:58:22 -0400 Received: from Steven-Laifmans-G5-Computer.local ([24.24.176.12]) by hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090729185821991.QIFG17500 at hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:58:21 +0000 Message-ID: <4A709BD1.3020500 at SoCal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:58:25 -0700 From: Steve Laifman Organization: http://www.TigersUnited.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MACHWIL at aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Test References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-AOL-IP: 71.74.56.123 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/related by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/html /aoozwE: Permission denied [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of MonkeyLaughs-(s).gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Icon_Wink_2.gif] From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed Jul 29 15:31:51 2009 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:31:51 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39a841b0907291431v59d1ded3y43e7ad0e01f09da8@mail.gmail.com> Patience expired, I'm amazed anyone still uses aol... Take this as a lesson and switch to a cheaper and more efficient service provider! On 7/29/09, MACHWIL at aol.com wrote: > Steve, > > I guess maybe I don't understand what's going on (except that aol is > screwed up) > > I rec'd a few hits and in the last couple of days, nothing again > > The CAT group has a new site, but it's not very active as yet. > > Bud Williams. > 00490 > **************Hot Deals at Dell on Popular Laptops perfect for Back to > School > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223106546x1201717234/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D8) > Return-Path: > Received: from rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (rly-mb08.mail.aol.com > [172.21.131.166]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id > MAILINMB082-d1d4a709bce14e; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:58:37 -0400 > Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com > [71.74.56.123]) by rly-mb08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id > MAILRELAYINMB081-d1d4a709bce14e; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:58:22 -0400 > Received: from Steven-Laifmans-G5-Computer.local ([24.24.176.12]) by > hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id > <20090729185821991.QIFG17500 at hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com> for > ; Wed, 29 Jul 2009 18:58:21 +0000 > Message-ID: <4A709BD1.3020500 at SoCal.rr.com> > Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 11:58:25 -0700 > From: Steve Laifman > Organization: http://www.TigersUnited.com > User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: MACHWIL at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Test > References: > In-Reply-To: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > X-AOL-IP: 71.74.56.123 > X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) > X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/related by demime 1.01d > X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/html > > /aoozwE: Permission denied > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of > MonkeyLaughs-(s).gif] > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of > Icon_Wink_2.gif] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From achd73 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 29 15:35:17 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <179389.47412.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think AOL peeps had another lesson in why they are so easy to love and then just no postings. Its funny how one small item creates a ton of replies and then others create none. Im posting this to make sure it does post and to give everyone some LIST mail so they will know the site is working. For those close enough I understand there is an English car show in Dayton this Sat. Then everyone is going to Doug and/or Dougs Dads house(NO MORE DOUGIE) to visit and have a few cold beverages. Might even be some Beam talk going on. Im planning on meeting D.Johnson in Indianappolis Fri. evening and drive to Dayton sat. Nothing to do- well Dayton awaits, come on over and help me get even with Doug Jennings for all the work he did over the years for me.Naw, he cant have that much beer there.Guess I will BMOB. Cya in Dayton. TtT From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Wed Jul 29 15:35:43 2009 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 14:35:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Test disregard Message-ID: This is just a quick test. sorry for the bomb. Buck Trippel From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Jul 29 16:26:05 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:26:05 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Test References: Message-ID: Is this an AOL Mail problem - or an AOL service provider problem? If it is the former perhaps you guys who are having AOL issues can set up a free G-mail/Hotmail web based type of mail account. Tom From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed Jul 29 16:45:22 2009 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:45:22 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39a841b0907291545l199b3cd8od9f400bb66ad4bd7@mail.gmail.com> Yes, as a rule its not a good idea to use your internet service providers's email service. Gmail is particularly good and very user friendly and works from anywhere. I recommend it as a primary email account no matter your provider. It can also pick up email from existing accounts and send from various existing accounts you have. Visit gmail.com to sign up. Sorry.... My backgroud as a computer scientist coming through.... On 7/29/09, Thomas Witt wrote: > Is this an AOL Mail problem - or an AOL service provider problem? If it is > the former perhaps you guys who are having AOL issues can set up a free > G-mail/Hotmail web based type of mail account. Tom > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com Wed Jul 29 20:38:13 2009 From: kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com (kevin beck) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:38:13 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] antenna location Message-ID: <22507f140907291938p5d95d703ke566f6302d2821ce@mail.gmail.com> Its been pretty quiet lately, maybe its because your enjoying your tiger mines not running so is there a correct location for the antenna, mines in the back passenger side. Kevin From chris at cthompson.net Wed Jul 29 20:41:22 2009 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:41:22 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] antenna location In-Reply-To: <22507f140907291938p5d95d703ke566f6302d2821ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <22507f140907291938p5d95d703ke566f6302d2821ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A710852.9060100@cthompson.net> Kevin - this was a dealer (or owner) installed option, and so was installed wherever they felt like it..... Chris B382000331 kevin beck wrote: > Its been pretty quiet lately, maybe its because your enjoying your tiger > mines not running so is there a correct location for the antenna, mines in > the back passenger side. Kevin From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Jul 29 20:51:33 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:51:33 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] antenna location In-Reply-To: <4A710852.9060100@cthompson.net> References: <22507f140907291938p5d95d703ke566f6302d2821ce@mail.gmail.com> <4A710852.9060100@cthompson.net> Message-ID: There was a suggested location for the antenna.. its on the nisrtuctions for the radio mobile consoule and shows to put it on the front fender near the bonnet/scuttle intersection, it even has dimensions.. will try and get the diagram and post it. 2009/7/30 Chris Thompson > Kevin - this was a dealer (or owner) installed option, and so was installed > wherever they felt like it..... > > Chris > B382000331 > > > kevin beck wrote: > >> Its been pretty quiet lately, maybe its because your enjoying your tiger >> mines not running so is there a correct location for the antenna, mines in >> the back passenger side. Kevin >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > -- Regards Michael King From drjev at dccnet.com Fri Jul 31 23:00:02 2009 From: drjev at dccnet.com (drjev) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:00:02 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Subject: [Tigers] test Message-ID: <4A73CBD0.000003.03304@DIANE-72F68793C> This is just a test . Not much action here lately. Or is it us.? J [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of imstp_animation_monkey_en_020908.gif]