From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Sun Feb  1 01:35:03 2009
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 09:35:03 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] brake flare tool
In-Reply-To: <820265.77769.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <OFAD1153C7.E0440554-ON8525754F.0073EF48-8525754F.007482E3@sybase.com>
	<820265.77769.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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I ended up getting the mastercool one because HF was out of stock.

On 2/1/09, Sandy Ganz <sganz at pacbell.net> wrote:
> I don't know if that was the discussion about one for stainless that me and
> Owain were having but we ended up getting the one from Mastercool. It is a
> hydraulic model and has a bunch of different flare options. I don't know if
> anyone else got the one from HF or Eastwood.
>
> This is a link to my page of
> tools that has a pic of the OTC one
> http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/AutomotiveTools.html
>
> HTH
>
> Sandy
>
>
>
> ----- Original
> Message ----
> From: "Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com" <Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com>
> To:
> tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 1:12:36 PM
> Subject:
> [Tigers] brake flare tool
>
> A while back someone on the list commented that
> this Harbour Freight tool:
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=99642
>
> was
> the same as this Eastwood tool (but much cheaper):
> http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=18935&itemType=PRODUCT
>
> Did anyone
> try it out?
>
> Paul
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  1 02:42:26 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 01:42:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] valve train I meant- not drive train
In-Reply-To: <49850B95.9020203@cox.net>
Message-ID: <500009.51328.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Steve- I think I meant to say valve train as opposed to drive train- if I was right it makes me feel good but having said drive train made me sound blond- well I am a blond. LOL 
I hope it is just a twist or two of the adjusting nut and problem solved. At worst a bent push rod or a lifter not pumping up completely.

I know that I may be the only person to do what I'm going to describe but I have done it and it has worked on a few occasions. My cousin had an ElCamino and a lifter that was rattling bad. He and his car lot owner friend listened and was trying to diagnose the problem when an old greasy local mechanic that had a tow truck and the ability to find out exactly how much money a person broke down on I-57 had and his ability to get the people traveling again WITH all their money. If the guy had been as honest as he was a hustler he would have been very rich. Buff was his name and since he is now in mechanics heaven, I can talk about him- referring back to the lifter. 

My cousin and his buddy went inside to get a cold drink or something and ole Buff got in the Camino and held it to the floor. Well out the door the two came, screaming what the H are you doing Buff? And as he got out, he replied- Just fixing that collapsed lifter. Sure enough the engine was running fine and the loud rattle was gone. He held it to the floor just short of long enough to know it was going to blow up and I'm sure it wasn't nearly so long as it seemed but he did fix the lifter. I know that over the years I have done the same thing on at least three different engines. Now I wont be responsible IF someone blows up an engine but as crazy as it sounds, it will pump up a lifter at very high RPM while not under load. 
Steve I hope your problem is a jam nut has backed off or just needs adjusting from valve train wear etc etc.
Remember that even a blind hog finds an acorn on occasion.
TtT

From phastphill at aol.com  Sun Feb  1 08:41:14 2009
From: phastphill at aol.com (phastphill at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 10:41:14 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] 'World's Fastest Indian'
In-Reply-To: <4984E7CF.3000304@cthompson.net>
References: <770398.51241.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com><49831B1B.9070203@mayfco.com><8CB52091850A444-19C-41BB@FWM-M31.sysops.aol.com>
	<4984E7CF.3000304@cthompson.net>
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Yes i have that one, it's interesting.
http://www.amazon.com/One-Good-Run-Legend-Munro/dp/0143019740/ref=pd_sim_b_1

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To: phastphill at aol.com
Cc: zymmer4 at yahoo.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 7:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 'World's Fastest Indian'


Which book are you talking about? Tim Hanna's??
?
Chris?
?
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> You can still get the book, Better than the movie..?
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From tsmit at shaw.ca  Sun Feb  1 09:52:59 2009
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 09:52:59 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Ground strap
In-Reply-To: <3A93BC48B00A4AE382A3ED6B4069760D@ronpc1>
References: <3A93BC48B00A4AE382A3ED6B4069760D@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <4985D36B.6070606@shaw.ca>

On my Tiger it was (is) attached to the Alpine transmission crossmember 
mounting pad on the chassis. There are two (I think 5/16 UNF) threaded 
holes there. On the engine side it was bolted to the lower right 
transmission to bellhousing bolt.

Theo

From v8tracker at gmail.com  Sun Feb  1 12:43:34 2009
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:43:34 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Distributor and Other Advice Needed
In-Reply-To: <49850B02.5070108@cox.net>
References: <4984C1BD.3040108@cox.net><AFA41E71E8AC4FFBB9ADCC83AFA773C3@delldimension>
	<49850B02.5070108@cox.net>
Message-ID: <8D4036484F694ED29077125D3B16CFE6@DellD4700>

Steve,

Be sure you have a fire extinguisher handy anytime you start or run the
engine without the air cleaner. Don't ask me how I know.

A. C. Tynes
New Orleans

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Sage
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 8:38 PM
> To: Mike Michels
> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Distributor and Other Advice Needed
> 
> Hello Mike:
> Since I'm probably sitting at around 15 degrees at idle I may 
> change to the blue stop cam which would give me another 20 
> degrees = 35 which is at the top as you mention. With the 
> black stop now it gives another 15 + so I'm probably sitting 
> at not much over 30 maximum now. That would explain the power 
> curve dropping off too early like I feel it does now.
> 
> I haven't tried to check out the bog without the air cleaner. 
> Excellent suggestion.  I'll do that tomorrow and see if it's 
> better. I'm usually using the triangle after market air 
> cleaner as I do notice more throttle response with that 
> compared to the stock AC air cleaner.
> 
> Steve Sage
> 
> 
> Mike Michels wrote:
> > Steve, I have found that the blue stop bushing and the 
> combination of 
> > one light silver spring and one heavy silver spring seems to 
> > approximate the stock distributor curve..........................
> >
> > General consensus is that total advance at high rpm is more 
> important 
> > than idle and that you shouldn't go more than 36 degrees. 
> ................
> . I have  experienced a bog something like you describe but I 
> think you are on the right track regarding carburation or 
> other induction issues. 
> I found that the completely stock aircleaner (1-1/2 inch 
> filter element) with a deep breathing 4-barrel 289 doesn't 
> flow enough. Does it happen without the air cleaner? ..........
> >
> > --
> 
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From Landcmitch at aol.com  Sun Feb  1 13:49:29 2009
From: Landcmitch at aol.com (Landcmitch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:49:29 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger in S.F. Chronicle
Message-ID: <c23.55d4d57c.36b764d9@aol.com>

Jim Schultz, a Bay Area Tiger owner has written a fine feature article  about 
his '65 Tiger in today's San Francisco Chronicle.  For those of you  unable 
to get this fine rag, go to their website _www.sfgate.com_ 
(http://www.sfgate.com)  and type in "my ride" in the  search box.
 
Charlie
 
 
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up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023)

From awtiger at cox.net  Sun Feb  1 20:44:03 2009
From: awtiger at cox.net (Andy Walker)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 21:44:03 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Ground strap
Message-ID: <51E3DFAD41B54D41B40257B6046C04F2@awtigerPC>

Guys:

Thanks much for the insight on the ground strap for my Tiger.  It may or may
not be the answer to my problem, but it's worth looking at.  If this doesn't
do it, I'll get back to everyone with my problem and I'll see what you all
think.

Thanks again,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
B9006857LRX

From Carmods at aol.com  Mon Feb  2 06:09:52 2009
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 08:09:52 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Distributor and Other Advice Needed
Message-ID: <c98.431086c8.36b84aa0@aol.com>

>From Steve _Sage_ (mailto:Sage at cox.net) 

"could  use some advice from any distributor knowledgeable people"
Steve, you don't say what carburetor you have. If it is a Holly, your bog  
may be caused by the power valve closing too soon.
 
John Logan.

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From paul_rudge at transcanada.com  Mon Feb  2 07:55:32 2009
From: paul_rudge at transcanada.com (Paul Rudge)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 07:55:32 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Seat Frame
In-Reply-To: <287608.5480.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <AFA41E71E8AC4FFBB9ADCC83AFA773C3@delldimension>
	<287608.5480.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CDE2EACD5F5C7844A7B24AD58FD5E8D116E39408@TCMAIL1.tcpl.ca>

Hi, just wondering if anyone has a drivers side seat frame (back
portion) in reasonable shape they would be able to part with. I am in
the process of restoring my seats and after sandblasting the two I have,
noted this part was too severely corroded from outdoor storage and too
weak to use. Seat portion of frame was OK.

I note that there is a slight structural difference between driver and
passenger seat back frame (drivers side frame turns up slightly at mount
point), although mounting appears to be the same; can anyone advise if
passenger seat frame back is interchangeable with driver seat.

Thanks in advance for the advise.

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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Mon Feb  2 12:39:57 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 11:39:57 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger in S.F. Chronicle
In-Reply-To: <c23.55d4d57c.36b764d9@aol.com>
References: <c23.55d4d57c.36b764d9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <49874C0D.6050806@SoCal.rr.com>

Charlie,

Nice story.  Finding it took a little "searching".
BTW: The complete address to this page is:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/02/01/MT3R15H5QD.DTL

Steve

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<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



Landcmitch at aol.com wrote:
> Jim Schultz, a Bay Area Tiger owner has written a fine feature article  about 
> his '65 Tiger in today's San Francisco Chronicle.  For those of you  unable 
> to get this fine rag, go to their website _www.sfgate.com_ 
> (http://www.sfgate.com)  and type in "my ride" in the  search box.
>  
> Charlie

From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  2 14:37:37 2009
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:37:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger in S.F. Chronicle
Message-ID: <536636.27815.qm@web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Steve,
     That is a good story and a Good Looking Tiger.
Howard

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Mon, 2/2/09, Steve Laifman <SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com> wrote:


From: Steve Laifman <SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger in S.F. Chronicle
To: Landcmitch at aol.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 2:39 PM


Charlie,

Nice story.  Finding it took a little "searching".
BTW: The complete address to this page is:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/02/01/MT3R15H5QD.DTL

Steve

___
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<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



Landcmitch at aol.com wrote:
> Jim Schultz, a Bay Area Tiger owner has written a fine feature article 
about his '65 Tiger in today's San Francisco Chronicle.  For those of you 
unable to get this fine rag, go to their website _www.sfgate.com_
(http://www.sfgate.com)  and type in "my ride" in the  search box.
>  Charlie
Tigers at autox.team.net
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From bomber44 at comcast.net  Mon Feb  2 10:49:25 2009
From: bomber44 at comcast.net (Rob Guerra)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:49:25 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] 5-speed conversion (or 6-speed)
In-Reply-To: <C5AA88C5.22%tiger@sabr2th.com>
Message-ID: <C5AC7225.42AA%bomber44@comcast.net>

Full kit and installation information available at www.tigerengineering.net.
It's tom hall's kit.  925-462-3876 to talk with him


On 1/31/09 9:01 PM, "Sabr2th" <tiger at sabr2th.com> wrote:

> Have there been any new developments for putting an overdrive trans in the
> Tiger since the 2001 Dan Walters article?  At one time, I thought there was
> deve\

From bobdixon at frii.com  Tue Feb  3 19:24:29 2009
From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 19:24:29 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Recent Tiger prices
References: <536636.27815.qm@web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c9866f$b5ae7150$4100a8c0@BobsDell>

Howdy gang.

I was just curious if anyone has been keeping track of recent selling prices 
of our little beasts.  I'm trying to convince my wife that a second Tiger 
would be a better investment than the stock market these days.

Wish me luck.
-Bob 

From srwick at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  3 19:48:38 2009
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 18:48:38 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Interesting ad.
Message-ID: <BAY101-DS46596E05C1285D4BC5F92D8C30@phx.gbl>

No pics, but here's something a little different for those that are into all
things "Tiger".


http://spokane.craigslist.org/cto/1018542402.html<http://spokane.craigslist.o
rg/cto/1018542402.html>



Steve (in N. Id. and to far away to check it out on an impulse)

From srwick at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  3 20:39:40 2009
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 19:39:40 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Interesting ad.
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DS46596E05C1285D4BC5F92D8C30@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY101-DS46596E05C1285D4BC5F92D8C30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DS7EE6EE91B04723C21FD39D8C30@phx.gbl>

It looks like the link doubled up when it posted. Lets try this, or remove
everything past the first "html" when you paste it. Sorry.

http://spokane.craigslist.org/cto/1018542402.html<http://spokane.craigslist.o
rg/cto/1018542402.html>

Steve
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  From: steve wick<mailto:srwick at hotmail.com>
  To: tigers<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:48 PM
  Subject: [Tigers] Interesting ad.


  No pics, but here's something a little different for those that are into
all
  things "Tiger".


  http://spokane.craigslist.org/cto/1018542402.html<http://spokane.craigslist
.org/cto/1018542402.html>


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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 21:48:35 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:48:35 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Recent Tiger prices
In-Reply-To: <000f01c9866f$b5ae7150$4100a8c0@BobsDell>
References: <536636.27815.qm@web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<000f01c9866f$b5ae7150$4100a8c0@BobsDell>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0902032048k45e1fd6w910c1b3c3cab46c6@mail.gmail.com>

There is a good graph from a US mag a while back that shows that (steady
increase in tiger values).. i doubt the prices will ever sky rocket like
some other cars.. but thats because people why buy them are enthusiatsts. I
dont see our cars losing much ground as they are not in the hands of
speculators.. so buying one will probably mean a gradual steady increase..
not a bad thing.. then again.. if later they become speculative.. well i
guess you have won...

I always have the one issue.. the car might be a good investment.. but as my
friends keep telling me.. that means i would have to even show some sort of
inclination sell it! UNLIKELY!

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From fabbro at shaw.ca  Tue Feb  3 22:39:24 2009
From: fabbro at shaw.ca (Fabbro)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 21:39:24 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Bolt and screw kit?
Message-ID: <67D683E10D4A4C1CBCE46E0C1B9EA877@fabbro>

Hi All
 
  Has anyone heard of a bolt kit to do a complete car, including all the
fasteners in stainless?
Thanks
Kim

From jim at island.net  Tue Feb  3 23:04:41 2009
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 22:04:41 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Bolt and screw kit?
In-Reply-To: <67D683E10D4A4C1CBCE46E0C1B9EA877@fabbro>
Message-ID: <004801c9868e$7a6d9610$4101a8c0@JIMPC>

Hi Kim

Check out this article...

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/KJensenBolts/rt-KJensenBolts1.asp


and then this website...


http://www.totallystainless.com/totally.html


Call and ask for part # 6-9900 for a Sunbeam Tiger ...I bought one a couple
years ago... great deal ...all the correct heads and sizes ...
Totally Stainless doesn't list the part in their catalogue anymore but if
you ask it is still available..

Jim Gislason
B38200446



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Fabbro
Sent: February 3, 2009 9:39 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Bolt and screw kit?

Hi All
 
  Has anyone heard of a bolt kit to do a complete car, including all the
fasteners in stainless?
Thanks
Kim
Tigers at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers

http://www.team.net/archive

From chris at cthompson.net  Wed Feb  4 05:08:21 2009
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 08:08:21 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Bolt and screw kit?
In-Reply-To: <67D683E10D4A4C1CBCE46E0C1B9EA877@fabbro>
References: <67D683E10D4A4C1CBCE46E0C1B9EA877@fabbro>
Message-ID: <49898535.2060404@cthompson.net>

 From about a year ago on this list:

Try Totally Stainless _http://www.totallystainless.com/_ 
(http://www.totallystainless.com/) .   Tiger assortment is PN 6-9900.
 
Walt Suman
Seattle

Chris

Fabbro wrote:
> Hi All
>  
>   Has anyone heard of a bolt kit to do a complete car, including all the
> fasteners in stainless?
> Thanks
> Kim

From suntiger at comcast.net  Wed Feb  4 13:04:28 2009
From: suntiger at comcast.net (Dale Pirie)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 13:04:28 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] fulcrum pins
Message-ID: <4989F4CC.1030400@comcast.net>

   CAT  flagged  failing fulcrum pins as a problem a couple of years ago,
   but I never could figure out if the problem was only certain OEM pins,
   or  if all pins were potential victims. Was there ever a final verdict
   on which pins were failing? Did everyone but me replace the pins? I've
   had  my  '66  Tiger since '68; used to race vintage with it. I did the
   crossmember  reinforcements  and replaced the bushings many years ago,
   but  never  considered  the  fulcrum  pins. Is this something I should
   address  and if so, where can I get new pins? I haven't driven the car
   since  the  first  CAT article and really need to get this thing going
   again.
   Thanks,
   Dale Pirie

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb  4 13:47:56 2009
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (J. Nichols)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:47:56 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MK II Investment Bargin
Message-ID: <006401c98709$dc091d10$6401a8c0@your03667082de>

You may want to check out this Tiger MK II for an investment on Ebay:    Item
number: 220353131308. If this sells for under $20,000 it will be an
exceptional buy.  Although, there is a issue with the front end which seems to
be twisted somewhat from prior accident damage.  The car has a 15/16 shim on
the drivers side side of the cross member to get the car to sit level.   That
may take a lot of work to correct without the shim.  Current bid is $16,100
with one day to go.



                                                                             
                                             Jeff

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Wed Feb  4 13:51:16 2009
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:51:16 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] fulcrum pins
References: <4989F4CC.1030400@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <2035BAA53C6D4DAC931B467183ADB42C@student2>

Dale,
  There was one list member who knew a professional person associated with 
the problem say, "every pin is subject to failure."  On the other hand there 
are still people out there with their original pins and no apparent intent 
to replace them.  A number of years ago Derek White has some pins made in 
Africa.  They were purported to be made from steel used in Caterpillar 
tractors.  There are other, more local vendors now, but I have no experience 
with them.  Others on the list will be better able to advise you.

 There are bushings available that have a removable center section.  The 
current set up is to remove the bushing, use an oversize fulcrum pin and 
gain the added strength.  Again, there are others here who can provide the 
links.  Also, there are reinforcements to the crossmember that externally 
support the pin and help to prevent stress. So, yes, there has been progress 
in the matter.

 That said my understanding is that "some" of the failures occur because the 
bushings loosen and the washers turn and work harden the pin. So, at a 
minimum I would check that.

Tom 


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From cmccann at lwpb.com  Wed Feb  4 14:20:36 2009
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:20:36 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] FW: Very rare 1966 Sunbeam Tiger MkII in Vintage Racing -
 $25000 (Austin, TX)
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473309D13191C4@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

While discussing tigers for sale, I ran across this one on Craigslist the
other day...He says it's a mkII....so it would have to be an extremely early
mkII right? I have never seen a mkII from 66, but TU production data states
that MkII's began production in 12/66...but was that just the prototypes? And
it doesn't have the correct headlight rings for a mkII I think...but it's a
bid hard to tell.....Anyway....if it is an early mkII, it sure seems like a
good deal. Im not in the market or in the vicinity, otherwise I would at least
be checking it out...you can follow the link at the bottom to go directly to
the ad as well.....

Cullen



To: Cullen McCann
Subject: Very rare 1966 Sunbeam Tiger MkII in Vintage Racing - $25000 (Austin,
TX)

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Date: 2009-01-26, 9:58AM

1966 Sunbeam Tiger. This car has a long history in Vintage racing with the
CVAR group in Texas. Original log book dating back to early 1990's. Mostly
origianl car with a few upgrades for racing safty, but still very street-able
and fun to drive, engine is very strong, trans. shifts smoothly, clutch is
good, brakes good. Extra wheels and tires, soft top, extra parts. Currently
has Classic plates. 512 970 5651

 *   Location: Austin, TX
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From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  4 18:26:58 2009
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:26:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] FW: Very rare 1966 Sunbeam Tiger MkII in Vintage
 Racing - $25000 (Austin, TX)
Message-ID: <789278.12665.qm@web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi,
     I would like to know more about this Tiger...Before my
uncke,"sonny"vorholdt died, he had a MkII tiger. It was BRG color at the
time..After he died, the car was shipped to mid Texas, stayed in a backyard
for years(rusting to the ground, I heard), and then was bought and I lost
track of it..It would have made a fine racer rebuild..All of this took place
in the mid 80's. His car had had a fire in the fuel pump area(yep, put it out
with a wet tee shirt. Just wondering about this racer.
Howard

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Wed, 2/4/09, Cullen McCann <cmccann at lwpb.com> wrote:


From: Cullen McCann <cmccann at lwpb.com>
Subject: [Tigers] FW: Very rare 1966 Sunbeam Tiger MkII in Vintage Racing -
$25000 (Austin, TX)
To: "tigers at Autox.Team.Net" <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 4:20 PM


While discussing tigers for sale, I ran across this one on Craigslist the
other day...He says it's a mkII....so it would have to be an extremely early
mkII right? I have never seen a mkII from 66, but TU production data states
that MkII's began production in 12/66...but was that just the prototypes? And
it doesn't have the correct headlight rings for a mkII I think...but it's a
bid hard to tell.....Anyway....if it is an early mkII, it sure seems like a
good deal. Im not in the market or in the vicinity, otherwise I would at
least
be checking it out...you can follow the link at the bottom to go directly to
the ad as well.....

Cullen



To: Cullen McCann
Subject: Very rare 1966 Sunbeam Tiger MkII in Vintage Racing - $25000
(Austin,
TX)

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Date: 2009-01-26, 9:58AM

1966 Sunbeam Tiger. This car has a long history in Vintage racing with the
CVAR group in Texas. Original log book dating back to early 1990's. Mostly
origianl car with a few upgrades for racing safty, but still very street-able
and fun to drive, engine is very strong, trans. shifts smoothly, clutch is
good, brakes good. Extra wheels and tires, soft top, extra parts. Currently
has Classic plates. 512 970 5651

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From bobdixon at frii.com  Wed Feb  4 20:42:51 2009
From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 20:42:51 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] FW: Very rare 1966 Sunbeam Tiger MkII in Vintage
 Racing - $25000 (Austin, TX)
References: <789278.12665.qm@web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601c98743$d2896cb0$4100a8c0@BobsDell>

I contacted the seller earlier today.  It's really a Mk1a based on the VIN.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Howard gentry" <zymmer4 at yahoo.com>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] FW: Very rare 1966 Sunbeam Tiger MkII in Vintage 
Racing - $25000 (Austin, TX)


> Hi,
>     I would like to know more about this Tiger...Before my
> uncke,"sonny"vorholdt died, he had a MkII tiger. It was BRG color at the
> time..After he died, the car was shipped to mid Texas, stayed in a 
> backyard
> for years(rusting to the ground, I heard), and then was bought and I lost
> track of it..It would have made a fine racer rebuild..All of this took 
> place
> in the mid 80's. His car had had a fire in the fuel pump area(yep, put it 
> out
> with a wet tee shirt. Just wondering about this racer.
> Howard
>
> The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.
>
> --- On Wed, 2/4/09, Cullen McCann <cmccann at lwpb.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Cullen McCann <cmccann at lwpb.com>
> Subject: [Tigers] FW: Very rare 1966 Sunbeam Tiger MkII in Vintage 
> Racing -
> $25000 (Austin, TX)
> To: "tigers at Autox.Team.Net" <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
> Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 4:20 PM
>
>
> While discussing tigers for sale, I ran across this one on Craigslist the
> other day...He says it's a mkII....so it would have to be an extremely 
> early
> mkII right? I have never seen a mkII from 66, but TU production data 
> states
> that MkII's began production in 12/66...but was that just the prototypes? 
> And
> it doesn't have the correct headlight rings for a mkII I think...but it's 
> a
> bid hard to tell.....Anyway....if it is an early mkII, it sure seems like 
> a
> good deal. Im not in the market or in the vicinity, otherwise I would at
> least
> be checking it out...you can follow the link at the bottom to go directly 
> to
> the ad as well.....
>
> Cullen
>
>
>
> To: Cullen McCann
> Subject: Very rare 1966 Sunbeam Tiger MkII in Vintage Racing - $25000
> (Austin,
> TX)
>
> cmccann at lwpb.com has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting.
> Please see below for more information.
> ________________________________
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> sale-1008168983 at craigslist.org<mailto:sale-1008168983 at craigslist.org>
> Date: 2009-01-26, 9:58AM
>
> 1966 Sunbeam Tiger. This car has a long history in Vintage racing with the
> CVAR group in Texas. Original log book dating back to early 1990's. Mostly
> origianl car with a few upgrades for racing safty, but still very 
> street-able
> and fun to drive, engine is very strong, trans. shifts smoothly, clutch is
> good, brakes good. Extra wheels and tires, soft top, extra parts. 
> Currently
> has Classic plates. 512 970 5651
>
> *   Location: Austin, TX
> *   it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial
> interests
>
> Original URL:http://austin.craigslist.org/cto/1008168983.html
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From awtiger at cox.net  Thu Feb  5 05:29:03 2009
From: awtiger at cox.net (Andy Walker)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 06:29:03 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] FW: Very rare 1966 Sunbeam Tiger MkII in Vintage
 Racing - $25000 (Austin, TX)
In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473309D13191C4@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>
References: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473309D13191C4@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>
Message-ID: <C25FE5AB716D4ECEBA02674E69920CAE@awtigerPC>

Cullen:

It may have "extensive" CVAR history, but that history is not recent.  I've 
been racing my Alpine with CVAR now for five years and I've never seen a 
MkII at the track.  There is a fellow from Texas that has raced his Midnight 
Blue Mk1 or Mk1A, but no MkII.  Whether or not this MkII has raced at some 
Texas events lately that I haven't been to, I couldn't speak to that.

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
B9006857LRX

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cullen McCann" <cmccann at lwpb.com>
To: <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:20 PM
Subject: [Tigers] FW: Very rare 1966 Sunbeam Tiger MkII in Vintage Racing - 
$25000 (Austin, TX)


> While discussing tigers for sale, I ran across this one on Craigslist the
> other day...He says it's a mkII....so it would have to be an extremely 
> early
> mkII right? I have never seen a mkII from 66, but TU production data 
> states
> that MkII's began production in 12/66...but was that just the prototypes? 
> And
> it doesn't have the correct headlight rings for a mkII I think...but it's 
> a
> bid hard to tell.....Anyway....if it is an early mkII, it sure seems like 
> a
> good deal. Im not in the market or in the vicinity, otherwise I would at 
> least
> be checking it out...you can follow the link at the bottom to go directly 
> to
> the ad as well.....
>
> Cullen
>
>
>
> To: Cullen McCann
> Subject: Very rare 1966 Sunbeam Tiger MkII in Vintage Racing - $25000 
> (Austin,
> TX)
>
> cmccann at lwpb.com has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting.
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> Date: 2009-01-26, 9:58AM
>
> 1966 Sunbeam Tiger. This car has a long history in Vintage racing with the
> CVAR group in Texas. Original log book dating back to early 1990's. Mostly
> origianl car with a few upgrades for racing safty, but still very 
> street-able
> and fun to drive, engine is very strong, trans. shifts smoothly, clutch is
> good, brakes good. Extra wheels and tires, soft top, extra parts. 
> Currently
> has Classic plates. 512 970 5651
>
> *   Location: Austin, TX
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> interests
>
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From cmccann at lwpb.com  Thu Feb  5 08:32:04 2009
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:32:04 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] FW: Very rare 1966 Sunbeam Tiger MkII in Vintage
 Racing - $25000 (Austin, TX)
In-Reply-To: <C25FE5AB716D4ECEBA02674E69920CAE@awtigerPC>
References: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473309D13191C4@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>
	<C25FE5AB716D4ECEBA02674E69920CAE@awtigerPC>
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473309D13192F7@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

Yep, that makes sense. Ive never seen a mkII on the track either at the few
events with vintage racing that Ive been fortunate enough to attend. Also,
since we found out through Bob Dixon's phone call to the owner that its in
fact a mk1a, then that settles that. The only thing that bothers me is that
most people who own or race a Tiger would know if it's a mk1a or a mkII right?
hmmm....maybe he's selling it for a friend and got his facts mixed up or
something....I havent called the owner since Im not in the market right now
for another Tiger, but im sure a lot of these questions could be answered by
talking to him and getting that identification info. A couple of listers
replied off-list, and I agree with them, once the VIN is identified, talk to
Norm....

but if it's a legit mk1a, it looks like it's in decent shape....might be a
good deal for someone...

Cullen






Subject: Re: [Tigers] FW: Very rare 1966 Sunbeam Tiger MkII in Vintage Racing
- $25000 (Austin, TX)

Cullen:

It may have "extensive" CVAR history, but that history is not recent.  I've
been racing my Alpine with CVAR now for five years and I've never seen a
MkII at the track.  There is a fellow from Texas that has raced his Midnight
Blue Mk1 or Mk1A, but no MkII.  Whether or not this MkII has raced at some
Texas events lately that I haven't been to, I couldn't speak to that.

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
B9006857LRX

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cullen McCann" <cmccann at lwpb.com>
To: <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:20 PM
Subject: [Tigers] FW: Very rare 1966 Sunbeam Tiger MkII in Vintage Racing -
$25000 (Austin, TX)


> While discussing tigers for sale, I ran across this one on Craigslist the
> other day...He says it's a mkII....so it would have to be an extremely
> early
> mkII right? I have never seen a mkII from 66, but TU production data
> states
> that MkII's began production in 12/66...but was that just the prototypes?
> And
> it doesn't have the correct headlight rings for a mkII I think...but it's
> a
> bid hard to tell.....Anyway....if it is an early mkII, it sure seems like
> a
> good deal. Im not in the market or in the vicinity, otherwise I would at
> least
> be checking it out...you can follow the link at the bottom to go directly
> to
> the ad as well.....
>
> Cullen
>
>
>
> To: Cullen McCann
> Subject: Very rare 1966 Sunbeam Tiger MkII in Vintage Racing - $25000
> (Austin,
> TX)
>
> cmccann at lwpb.com has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting.
> Please see below for more information.
> ________________________________
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> sale-1008168983 at craigslist.org<mailto:sale-1008168983 at craigslist.org>
> Date: 2009-01-26, 9:58AM
>
> 1966 Sunbeam Tiger. This car has a long history in Vintage racing with the
> CVAR group in Texas. Original log book dating back to early 1990's. Mostly
> origianl car with a few upgrades for racing safty, but still very
> street-able
> and fun to drive, engine is very strong, trans. shifts smoothly, clutch is
> good, brakes good. Extra wheels and tires, soft top, extra parts.
> Currently
> has Classic plates. 512 970 5651
>
> *   Location: Austin, TX
> *   it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial
> interests
>
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From cmccann at lwpb.com  Thu Feb  5 12:55:55 2009
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 13:55:55 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] FW: 1965 SUNBEAM VENEZIA SUPERLEGGERA BY TOURING - $14500
 (Denver, Co)
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473309D13193A1@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

Another rootes group car for sale.... interesting.......those taillights look
like Tiger/ Alpine taillights...something everyone else probably already
knows...


1965 SUNBEAM VENEZIA SUPERLEGGERA BY TOURING
Reply to:
sale-1014444596 at craigslist.org<mailto:sale-1014444596 at craigslist.org>
Date: 2009-01-30, 4:07PM

Rarest of all Rootes Group cars. One of 145 coach made aluminum coupes by
Touring of Milan. Only 25 known driving examples left worldwide. Mechanical
restoration by KIP Motors in Dallas. Will consider part trades. Car needs
cosmetic restoration, minor electrical and exhaust. Located in So Cal. Very
straight. Alfa, fiat, porsche, lotus, triumph, abarth, maserati, ferrari

 *   Location: Denver, Co
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From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Thu Feb  5 15:31:59 2009
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 17:31:59 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] FW: 1965 SUNBEAM VENEZIA SUPERLEGGERA BY TOURING -
 $14500 (Denver, Co)
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Theres been quite a bit of discussion on this car at the Alpine owners website.
It is not in Denver as indicated by the ad. Car is in Ventura Ca about 40 miles from me.
I talked to the owner before Xmas and still may take a drive out to look at it.
Theres a guy on the Alpine board named jaars that owns one and has watched this car
move about the country being purchased in Dallas for 22K now up for sale for 14.5k.

It was on ebay for $17K last December. From what I can gather it seems a proper price
is between $5-10K. Needs lots of work but once done because of the aluminum body
should be fairly easy to keep together. I think there are 10 or so in the US.

It is a 4 seat Alpine but not as good looking in my opinion.

Steve


---- Cullen McCann <cmccann at lwpb.com> wrote: 
> Another rootes group car for sale.... interesting.......those taillights look
> like Tiger/ Alpine taillights...something everyone else probably already
> knows...
> 
> 
> 1965 SUNBEAM VENEZIA SUPERLEGGERA BY TOURING
> Reply to:
> sale-1014444596 at craigslist.org<mailto:sale-1014444596 at craigslist.org>
> Date: 2009-01-30, 4:07PM
> 
> Rarest of all Rootes Group cars. One of 145 coach made aluminum coupes by
> Touring of Milan. Only 25 known driving examples left worldwide. Mechanical
> restoration by KIP Motors in Dallas. Will consider part trades. Car needs
> cosmetic restoration, minor electrical and exhaust. Located in So Cal. Very
> straight. Alfa, fiat, porsche, lotus, triumph, abarth, maserati, ferrari
> 
>  *   Location: Denver, Co
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From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Thu Feb  5 15:40:36 2009
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 17:40:36 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MK II Investment Bargin
In-Reply-To: <006401c98709$dc091d10$6401a8c0@your03667082de>
Message-ID: <20090205224036.ZLAEN.22981.root@cdptpa-web17-z02>

Sold for $26,800. A very good deal I think. Maybe Tiger prices
not moving up or holding as well as the recent discussions suggested.

Steve


---- "J. Nichols" <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net> wrote: 
> You may want to check out this Tiger MK II for an investment on Ebay:    Item
> number: 220353131308. If this sells for under $20,000 it will be an
> exceptional buy.  Although, there is a issue with the front end which seems to
> be twisted somewhat from prior accident damage.  The car has a 15/16 shim on
> the drivers side side of the cross member to get the car to sit level.   That
> may take a lot of work to correct without the shim.  Current bid is $16,100
> with one day to go.

From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net  Thu Feb  5 15:52:53 2009
From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 14:52:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MK II Investment Bargain
In-Reply-To: <20090205224036.ZLAEN.22981.root@cdptpa-web17-z02>
Message-ID: <112558.92915.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Assuming it is the "real thing" (I have no reason to doubt it), I agree.  If
the car had car sold on one of the televised auto auctions, the commentators
would have said something like "that car was well bought."  The missing parts,
such as the stainless wheel well trim and the stainless trim mounted on the
the rocker panels (unique to Mark II) are getting darn near impossible to
find.  So, the new owner will have some fairly expensive parts to round up. 
Nevertheless, still seems like a good deal to me.

It sure appears that at least for the next year or so it may be a great time
for those looking for Tigers (or other classics, for that matter).  Definitely
a "buyer's market."

Bill Waite
Grand Rapids, MI

--- On Thu, 2/5/09, sralsten at ca.rr.com <sralsten at ca.rr.com> wrote:
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com <sralsten at ca.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MK II Investment Bargin
To: tigers at autox.team.net, "J. Nichols" <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net>
Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 5:40 PM

Sold for $26,800. A very good deal I think. Maybe Tiger prices
not moving up or holding as well as the recent discussions suggested.

Steve


---- "J. Nichols" <jxnichols at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> You may want to check out this Tiger MK II for an investment on Ebay:
Item
> number: 220353131308. If this sells for under $20,000 it will be an
> exceptional buy.  Although, there is a issue with the front end which
seems to
> be twisted somewhat from prior accident damage.  The car has a 15/16 shim
on
> the drivers side side of the cross member to get the car to sit level.
That
> may take a lot of work to correct without the shim.  Current bid is
$16,100
> with one day to go.
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Thu Feb  5 16:04:26 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:04:26 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MK II Investment Bargain
In-Reply-To: <112558.92915.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20090205224036.ZLAEN.22981.root@cdptpa-web17-z02>
	<112558.92915.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0902051504u71aa3bd8j8b641ef518a4b64c@mail.gmail.com>

I agree that the car was a good purchase.. a MKII at that price is cheap...
but.. as mentioned its missing some expensive MKII specific parts.. not to
mention some other expensive tiger parts like A/C etc. Then if the car
really is twisted at the front you are buying a car that might need some
serious work on a jig. It has about 5K in missing parts and then the issue
of do you sort whatever damage has required the large shim.

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Thu Feb  5 16:29:15 2009
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 18:29:15 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MK II Investment Bargain
Message-ID: <c0b.500892fc.36bcd04b@aol.com>

I once had a customer come in our shop about working on his 67 Mustang  
Convert. We got around to talking prices on cars and he told me someone had the  
nerve to offer him $3,000.00 for the car(this was a while ago). He then went on  
to explain to me that if he put another $4,000.00 in the car he could get  
$7,000.00 for it. Some how the logic of this escaped me.  You pays your  money 
and takes your chances.
 
 
In a message dated 2/5/2009 3:04:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
michael.s.king at gmail.com writes:

I agree  that the car was a good purchase.. a MKII at that price is cheap...
but..  as mentioned its missing some expensive MKII specific parts.. not  to
mention some other expensive tiger parts like A/C etc. Then if the  car
really is twisted at the front you are buying a car that might need  some
serious work on a jig. It has about 5K in missing parts and then the  issue
of do you sort whatever damage has required the large shim.

--  
Regards

Michael  King
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From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Thu Feb  5 16:51:23 2009
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 18:51:23 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MK II Investment Bargain
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a0902051504u71aa3bd8j8b641ef518a4b64c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090205235123.YLKQB.24025.root@cdptpa-web17-z02>

If you look at Norm Millers website under "The Treasure" he is listing a Mk II
for $55K firm that is much better but not blemish free. I think putting
$30K into this one that just sold would net a better end result that purchase
of the $55K one. But I am still just a beginner in all this so who knows. I had talked
to my wife regarding this ebay car. If it was going out under $20K I would
have taken a shot at it if for no other reason than resale without any restoration 
when the economy clears up.

There is a 1980 Talbot Sunbeam Lotus in Belgium listed on ebay now that I would love to
own. Sadly I think registration and smog in California would be a problem.
I had thought that after 30 years cars became exempt from regulation but seems I was mistaken.That 30 year rule ended with 1975 model year. A 1976 or later car will never be smog exempt.


Steve



---- michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote: 
> I agree that the car was a good purchase.. a MKII at that price is cheap...
> but.. as mentioned its missing some expensive MKII specific parts.. not to
> mention some other expensive tiger parts like A/C etc. Then if the car
> really is twisted at the front you are buying a car that might need some
> serious work on a jig. It has about 5K in missing parts and then the issue
> of do you sort whatever damage has required the large shim.
> 
> -- 
> Regards
> 
> Michael King

From bobdixon at frii.com  Thu Feb  5 17:33:45 2009
From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 17:33:45 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MK II Investment Bargain
References: <20090205235123.YLKQB.24025.root@cdptpa-web17-z02>
Message-ID: <000e01c987f2$91e66280$f5fc7f0a@BobsDell>

I was highest bidder for days.  Got scrod at literally the last second.  I 
truly hate people who do that.

The major issue with the car is that it had been hit pretty hard on the left 
front at some point.  There was a 15/16" shim between the crossmember and 
frame to make up for the bend in the frame.

I still wanted it real bad :-(   Grrrrrrrrr.

-Bob 

From 65tiger at comcast.net  Thu Feb  5 20:19:26 2009
From: 65tiger at comcast.net (65tiger at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 03:19:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MK II Investment Bargain
In-Reply-To: <000e01c987f2$91e66280$f5fc7f0a@BobsDell>
Message-ID: <1197840648.1417531233890366402.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Computer software monitors the bidding and based on the buyers 
computerized buy criteria will enter a winning bid in the very last seconds 
of the auction. Its called "sniping" and a common practice. 
The buyer instead of back and forth bidding with challengers, determines 
his maximum price and programs the software. The only way he will be 
beat is if another sniper wants the same item and has entered a higher bid. 
So if you really want an item, you can enter a ridiculously high bid so that 
no one else will want to outbid you (seller's will love you) or you can fight 
fire with fire and get some software and try to out-trick your opponents. 

Curtis 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Dixon" <bobdixon at frii.com> 
To: tigers at autox.team.net 
Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 4:33:45 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MK II Investment Bargain 

I was highest bidder for days. Got scrod at literally the last second. I 
truly hate people who do that. 

The major issue with the car is that it had been hit pretty hard on the left 
front at some point. There was a 15/16" shim between the crossmember and 
frame to make up for the bend in the frame. 

I still wanted it real bad :-( Grrrrrrrrr. 

-Bob 
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From MWood24020 at aol.com  Thu Feb  5 20:22:48 2009
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 22:22:48 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MK II Investment Bargain
Message-ID: <be9.47c21c49.36bd0708@aol.com>

I think I'd prefer to just buy stuff directly, face to face, and screw  
epay... lol
 
Mike
 
 
In a message dated 2/5/2009 7:20:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
65tiger at comcast.net writes:

Computer  software monitors the bidding and based on the buyers 
computerized buy  criteria will enter a winning bid in the very last seconds 
of the auction.  Its called "sniping" and a common practice. 
The buyer instead of back and  forth bidding with challengers, determines 
his maximum price and programs  the software. The only way he will be 
beat is if another sniper wants the  same item and has entered a higher bid. 
So if you really want an item, you  can enter a ridiculously high bid so that 
no one else will want to outbid  you (seller's will love you) or you can 
fight 
fire with fire and get some  software and try to out-trick your opponents.  


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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Thu Feb  5 20:50:40 2009
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:50:40 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MK II Investment Bargain
References: <1197840648.1417531233890366402.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <9552B621FC40418F82F07482D6997466@student2>

Yes, with an Ebay it only counts - at the very end.  Because of that it is 
best to think of it as a silent auction (even though it is not). You have to 
think of the other 6 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes and 59 seconds... as 
"advertising."   Sorry to say if your price was high enough you would have 
beaten a "sniper." For he (she) too has a limit.  The sniper could have bid 
$25,000 at the LAST (milli) second and if you had placed a $25,100 bid at 
the very BEGINNING of the auction you would have beaten them.

   The whole purpose of sniping is to have a last second (one chance) 
auction. With sniping services it is probably milliseconds.  The sniper is 
"gambling" that their last bid (before others can re-bid) will be the 
highest. The concept attempts to prevent a bidding war.  It is a tactic that 
is intended to keep the cost down. As I said above, if every bidder was on a 
sniping service it would be like a silent auction.

  The sad thing in your case (and mine too many times than I care to say) is 
that you are lulled into believing that your bid won't be topped.  Remember, 
in the end, regardless of when you place a bid, it is the high bidder that 
wins. I feel your pain and have experienced the disappointment.  In the end 
I just had to realize someone was willing to pay more that I regardless of 
how late their bid arrived.  While it appears they "steal" the item out from 
under you time wise, in the end they were just willing to pay more money.

Tom Witt


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From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Thu Feb  5 22:02:22 2009
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 5:02:22 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MK II Investment Bargain
In-Reply-To: <9552B621FC40418F82F07482D6997466@student2>
Message-ID: <20090206050222.H57Z2.28462.root@cdptpa-web15-z01>

I use a sniping software all the time now. I love it
and hardly ever lose an item that I really want. I program it to bid with 3 secinds left
which is too close to the end for a manual bidder to see,respond,
and bid again. 

Steve

BTW I did not buy that car 

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  5 23:01:07 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 22:01:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MK II  Bargain I THINK
In-Reply-To: <000e01c987f2$91e66280$f5fc7f0a@BobsDell>
Message-ID: <127893.60585.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have a painter/body man who did the body work on an Alpine for me- still a bit of work left but its been in primer a long time- I'm pretty sure it will be an Alger if I live long enough. Thanks Doug Jennings for the work you did. The shop my buddy worked in was a family owned(3rd generation) Ford dealership. The owner was one of the top sellers in southern IL. as he put not only his customers first BUT also treated his employees with the same respect while expecting work he could sign his name to. The body shop did quite well and had a good reputation. Some years back the dealership invested in a computerized frame machine. The main problem was no one knew how to operate it. My buddy ask the boss if he could start attempting to straighten wrecks and soon they sent him to a school that the machines manufactures taught. It wasn't long until he could take what I would never have thought repairable and he was fixing the wrecks. It told you where to weld
 lugs on to pull, how much to push and although I wouldn't swear to it, I think the machine also pulled and pushed fenders and other body parts- like I mentioned, I saw cars drive away that I would have bet would have gone to the masher for junk metal. Fixing the small differences in the two frame rails wouldn't be hard to do if it was taken to the right shop and if prepared to save time- like removing the front suspension etc, I'm sure the cost wouldn't be so much. It was mentioned the car was originally repaired by Tiger Auto. Doug Jennings restored Tigers while Tiger Auto worked on several foreign cars. I dint know if Doug did the work but in my mind I see him telling the owner what it would cost to be fixed right and I suspect he would have replaced the bent frame rail from the front back- to the place the frame rail wasn't part of the problem. I then see the owner deciding to take the cheaper repair and be happy with extra shims. 

My Mk1 broke a fulcrum pin and hit a deer- two separate accidents- the left side has two shims instead of one and it has to be for the same reason. I cant tell where the bend is but its obvious there is a slight twist somewhere and I dint remember the PO telling me which accident created the problem- the fulcrum pin or the deer. I'm not getting rid of the car. The front end alignment doesn't wear out tires, so I will live with the extra shim. 

Back to the Mk2-I think the buyer got a hellish of a deal. I do see him having problems getting the car back to original but even without the stainless molding, the car is a Mk2- one of only five hindered and some ever made and it can be repaired I'm certain and IF he finds the right shop, I dint think there are many man hours in tweaking the frame rails level and square. I remember seeing a drawing of the measurements of an original Tiger and with those and THAT computerized machine, that part is the cheapest of the problems to fix. ALL of this is my opinion BUT if I had the money I would have bid at least 30k. Of course I have a grill and spare air cleaner and steering wheel-- just finding that stainless- OOPS there was some Aussie guys making it a few years back- a bit expensive BUT they had some for sale at one time.

Someone mentioned the battery door- or fuel pump access door- did the Mk2 have this door or was it eliminated when the fuel pump went to the trunk?? Thanks for listening to my opinion(s) and responding to my question.
TonytheTiger
PS- I had the seller email me pics of the underneath- appears to be about 4 pieces of metal between the frame and the front suspension. I think I read the cross member had been reworked BUT part of the problem could be there.

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  5 23:21:26 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 22:21:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MK II sniping thoughts
In-Reply-To: <9552B621FC40418F82F07482D6997466@student2>
Message-ID: <817446.58412.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I truely believe that by bidding prior to the last second and being the best sniper- you only drive the price of the item up. Of course you have to decide what the item is worth to you or decide Im going to own that item and bid high enough that its yours. The dangerous part is if another sniper bids an extreme bid- one of you is going to pay dearly for the item. Once in my life some years back- prior to back surgeries and heart attacks I had a good job and spent a lot of money- I refer to it as investing lots of money in Tiger parts. I wish I had kept a record of what I paid for many becuase I know some where high BUT I have a brand new Tiger two piece header set w/ the modified steel engine mount, a brand new front valance, a nice set of pie mags and have resold 5 that went on a Mk2 in Va- the car later sold to someone that may be on this list. I dont know why I sold 5- now I dont have the 5th for a spare- OH- I did it for profit Im sure. Ebay can be
 very addictive but Tiger parts havent gotten cheaper. Now to live long enough that the dollar is worth more than 23 cents and my parts will be better than a savings account. I HOPE.They also have companies tha promise to get the last bid in- no matter when I bid- I got good at bidding on items that where below reserve and seeing how much time it took to record my bid- so I could get a SNIPE bid in as the last bid with no time to be outbid BUT you have to want the part or be silly. I was both but I wanted the item.I was also lucky I never ran across another ME. LOL and Thank the Lord!
TtT


--- On Thu, 2/5/09, Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net> wrote:

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  5 23:24:36 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 22:24:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] EPAY thoughts
In-Reply-To: <be9.47c21c49.36bd0708@aol.com>
Message-ID: <162285.67773.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I think Mike is very smart- screw epay BUT people want profit and they find more of it on epay Mike. I try to never look so I wont be tempted- while I should be selling instead of buying- oh well I think things are going to get better- BUT how long it will take is the $60 question. TtT


--- On Thu, 2/5/09, MWood24020 at aol.com <MWood24020 at aol.com> wrote:

> From: MWood24020 at aol.com <MWood24020 at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MK II Investment Bargain
> To: 65tiger at comcast.net, tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 9:22 PM
> I think I'd prefer to just buy stuff directly, face to
> face, and screw  
> epay... lol
>  
> Mike
>  
>  
> In a message dated 2/5/2009 7:20:34 P.M. Pacific Standard
> Time,  
> 65tiger at comcast.net writes:
> 
> Computer  software monitors the bidding and based on the
> buyers 
> computerized buy  criteria will enter a winning bid in the
> very last seconds 
> of the auction.  Its called "sniping" and a
> common practice. 
> The buyer instead of back and  forth bidding with
> challengers, determines 
> his maximum price and programs  the software. The only way
> he will be 
> beat is if another sniper wants the  same item and has
> entered a higher bid. 
> So if you really want an item, you  can enter a
> ridiculously high bid so that 
> no one else will want to outbid  you (seller's will
> love you) or you can 
> fight 
> fire with fire and get some  software and try to out-trick
> your opponents.  
> 
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From fabbro at shaw.ca  Fri Feb  6 00:17:09 2009
From: fabbro at shaw.ca (Fabbro)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 23:17:09 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Thanks Bolt Kit
Message-ID: <783019AEF99845108F48D29ACBC85495@fabbro>

Thanks for the help guys. I ordered up the basic bolt and screw kit from
the Stainless Company that was recommended $149.00 plus shipping. I
should see it in a week or so.
Thanks again
Kim

From shutchin at netjets.com  Fri Feb  6 06:45:10 2009
From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 08:45:10 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MK II sniping thoughts
Message-ID: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D403D00AF5@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>

I guess I don't understand the difference between the sniping software and what ebay will already do for you. 

If I submit a maximum bid of 10,000 more than the asking price using ebay and someone else uses sniping software to submit a bid 5,000 above the asking price I will beat them by 100 bucks every time. 

I don't understand what the advantage is. Submit the absolute most you would pay for it sometime on the day of the end of the auction and forget about it.



Scott Hutchinson
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From gswaybright at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  6 07:01:48 2009
From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 06:01:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MK II sniping thoughts
Message-ID: <367122.7948.qm@web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The advantyage is that you're working around human nature... most bidders do not enter their true maximum bid when using eBay. There are times when you convince yourself that you'll only pay so much and you really beleive you entered as high as you will go... but if you are out-bid and you have time to think about it.. you somehow rationalize increasing your bid just a little more. Sniping (whether manually or by software) does not give you a chance to talk yourself into making a higher bid than you originally thought you should.

--- On Fri, 2/6/09, Scott Hutchinson <shutchin at netjets.com> wrote:

> From: Scott Hutchinson <shutchin at netjets.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MK II sniping thoughts
> To: achd73 at yahoo.com, tigers at autox.team.net, atwittsend at verizon.net
> Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 8:45 AM
> I guess I don't understand the
> difference between the sniping software and what ebay will
> already do for you. 
> 
> If I submit a maximum bid of 10,000 more than the asking
> price using ebay and someone else uses sniping software to
> submit a bid 5,000 above the asking price I will beat them
> by 100 bucks every time. 
> 
> I don't understand what the advantage is. Submit the
> absolute most you would pay for it sometime on the day of
> the end of the auction and forget about it.
> 
> 
> 
> Scott Hutchinson
> Director of Operations
> Netjets Large Aircraft
> 
> Office 860.292.1191
> Mobile 843.290.2805

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Fri Feb  6 07:38:01 2009
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:38:01 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MK II sniping thoughts
In-Reply-To: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D403D00AF5@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>
References: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D403D00AF5@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b0902060638j6d1183cdk5275798b2164e85c@mail.gmail.com>

i suppose this is related enough to tigers for me to get away with a
response without offending people.  although i'm sure my techniques will
offen someone!

it depends how many people are interested and how they bid themselves.   the
problem with ebay's bid system is that other people keep bidding until they
are the winning bidder so easily push it up to your high amount.  not
everyone bids like you do.  this drives the prices nice and high for ebay.
by sniping, either manually or using a service, the other bidders relax at a
stable equilibrium and then you come from nowhere and they don't have time
to respond.

i find people never snipe too late on cars so IF there is a lot of people
interested its best not to bid until the last 20 seconds or so. and then put
another bid for the max you want to pay about 5 seconds before the end just
in case.

i've won a few cars this way.  one in particular had about 25 bids from 12
people.  i bid about 20% higher in the last 10 seconds and won it by 10
pounds!  this shows its better to bid an amount just over a round number
because you will win it if other people have put in the same bid.  for
example, if you want to pay $20,000, bid $20,010.   if the current high
bidder also bid 20,000 you will still win it without having to pay much
more.

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Scott Hutchinson <shutchin at netjets.com>wrote:

> I guess I don't understand the difference between the sniping software and
> what ebay will already do for you.
>
> If I submit a maximum bid of 10,000 more than the asking price using ebay
> and someone else uses sniping software to submit a bid 5,000 above the
> asking price I will beat them by 100 bucks every time.
>
> I don't understand what the advantage is. Submit the absolute most you
> would pay for it sometime on the day of the end of the auction and forget
> about it.
>
>
>
> Scott Hutchinson
> Director of Operations
> Netjets Large Aircraft
>
> Office 860.292.1191
> Mobile 843.290.2805
>
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From awtiger at cox.net  Fri Feb  6 07:52:55 2009
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 9:52:55 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MK II sniping thoughts
In-Reply-To: <39a841b0902060638j6d1183cdk5275798b2164e85c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090206095255.6H3Q4.216701.imail@eastrmwml47>

Hi, Owain, et al:

The bottom line here is that, whether someone snipes you or not, if you get beat on a piece that's up for auction, then it was worth more to someone else than it was to you.  I'm a big slot car fan (HO scale Aurora T-Jets) and I have bought many of them on Ebay.  But, I've lost just as many as I've bought to people who beat me in the closing seconds of an auction.  Though it sometimes is a bitter pill to swallow, in the end I have to concede that the person who bought the car was willing to pay more than I was and that's just the way the mop flops.  

I agree that it's almost impossible to beat someone using a sniping service.  But, that person still has to put in a maximum amount that they will pay.  If your max is higher than their max, then you're going to win whether the other guy is using a sniping service or not.  The way I look at it, the sniping service is for the people who don't have the time, or don't want to take the time, to sit on the computer and watch an auction come to an end themselves.

My .02 worth,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
B9006857LRX


---- Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com> wrote: 
> i suppose this is related enough to tigers for me to get away with a
> response without offending people.  although i'm sure my techniques will
> offen someone!
> 
> it depends how many people are interested and how they bid themselves.   the
> problem with ebay's bid system is that other people keep bidding until they
> are the winning bidder so easily push it up to your high amount.  not
> everyone bids like you do.  this drives the prices nice and high for ebay.
> by sniping, either manually or using a service, the other bidders relax at a
> stable equilibrium and then you come from nowhere and they don't have time
> to respond.
> 
> i find people never snipe too late on cars so IF there is a lot of people
> interested its best not to bid until the last 20 seconds or so. and then put
> another bid for the max you want to pay about 5 seconds before the end just
> in case.
> 
> i've won a few cars this way.  one in particular had about 25 bids from 12
> people.  i bid about 20% higher in the last 10 seconds and won it by 10
> pounds!  this shows its better to bid an amount just over a round number
> because you will win it if other people have put in the same bid.  for
> example, if you want to pay $20,000, bid $20,010.   if the current high
> bidder also bid 20,000 you will still win it without having to pay much
> more.
> 
> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Scott Hutchinson <shutchin at netjets.com>wrote:
> 
> > I guess I don't understand the difference between the sniping software and
> > what ebay will already do for you.
> >
> > If I submit a maximum bid of 10,000 more than the asking price using ebay
> > and someone else uses sniping software to submit a bid 5,000 above the
> > asking price I will beat them by 100 bucks every time.
> >
> > I don't understand what the advantage is. Submit the absolute most you
> > would pay for it sometime on the day of the end of the auction and forget
> > about it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Scott Hutchinson
> > Director of Operations
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> >
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From bobdixon at frii.com  Fri Feb  6 08:16:07 2009
From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 08:16:07 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MK II sniping thoughts
References: <20090206095255.6H3Q4.216701.imail@eastrmwml47>
Message-ID: <002601c9886d$d5dd9050$f5fc7f0a@BobsDell>

Well, after thinking about it, I guess it comes down to someone else was 
just willing to pay more than I could.  I was just upset that I didn't get 
it.  That is what an auction is all about.  I hope it gets restored and 
driven well by the new owner. 

From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Fri Feb  6 10:40:09 2009
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 12:40:09 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MK II sniping thoughts
In-Reply-To: <20090206095255.6H3Q4.216701.imail@eastrmwml47>
Message-ID: <20090206174009.AV5K2.33548.root@cdptpa-web18-z01>

The advantage of sniping is time as well as convenience. If you enter a max bid
of 10K in ebay then that bid will be utiliazed as soon as needed if it's 3 days
before the auction end or 30 minutes. It easily gives people who want to plenty of time to see
your bid and enter a new bid themselves.

If you enter max bid of 10K through sniping the snipe software signs on as you and makes the minimum bid needed to win with 6 or less seconds to go. So quick that manual bidders that are
watching the auction can't hit the buttons fast enough to make another bid.

Of course bottom line is the biggest bid wins but I often see items rise for several days
then go dormant only to rise in the last 10 minutes. With sniping you don't have to remember
the auction end time, it is programed. You don't have to enter bids 1 minute before the end to be sure you got logged in OK. Only the final seconds matter and I don't have to do anything. I have 3 snipe bids loaded now for things ending within minutes of each other while I' at work and can't
really pay attention.

Steve

From John.Dillman at PUBLICANS.com  Fri Feb  6 10:39:41 2009
From: John.Dillman at PUBLICANS.com (John Dillman)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 11:39:41 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] On ebay and sniping
Message-ID: <BE9A6B7946F78D4E8731D948F4A146E61045386B@exchhou02.Publicans.com>

The problem I have with ebay is twofold:  1) I get outbid a lot.  I
guess I am cheap . . .. and 2) when I win, I realize that I paid more
for that item than anyone else in the entire world . . . .  Ouch . . .
Even so, I bought my '66 on ebay a while ago, which brings me to the
list.  I've enjoyed lurking and learning.



John Dillman

Houston, TX

'66 Tiger

And a v-12 Lincoln, and an E-type and a 280sl and C1 and C2 Vettes, and
a bunch of other stuff for my children to sell on ebay when I die . . .

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Fri Feb  6 11:01:23 2009
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 10:01:23 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] On ebay and sniping
References: <BE9A6B7946F78D4E8731D948F4A146E61045386B@exchhou02.Publicans.com>
Message-ID: <9DC2DEE18EE04E09815CBF4E687673DD@student2>

Hey,
For what it's worth (I'm not sure sniping services were available at the 
time) I won my "Book of Norman" on Ebay, manually sniping.  I got my bid in 
in the very last second (confirmed by bid history) and ironically beat out 
current CAT President, Buck Trippel. I barely knew Buck at the time and had 
no idea I was bidding against him. However, I'm sure glad Buck is a really 
nice, understanding guy.  ;-)

Tom 


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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  6 11:33:02 2009
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary Crandall)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:33:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MK II sniping thoughts
In-Reply-To: <002601c9886d$d5dd9050$f5fc7f0a@BobsDell>
Message-ID: <694104.42667.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Bob,
 
You need to realize that the winning bid on Ebay is really determined by the
maximum amount of the second place bid (plus the Ebay bidding margin), not the
winners maximum amount. Your maximum bid may have been $100 for an item, but
the winning bid only has to be $5 above that or whatever the Ebay bidding
margin is for that bidding range. The winner could have bid a million dollars
for that item, but you only see that his winning bid is $105. Naturally,
you're upset thinking you were so close to winning, that if you
only had another chance to bid $110, you could have won the item, but it
always comes down to who has the highest bid, regardless of when the bid is
placed. Sniping only limits the time people have to respond to a bid higher
than their present maximum bid.
 
Gary

--- On Fri, 2/6/09, Bob Dixon <bobdixon at frii.com> wrote:

From: Bob Dixon <bobdixon at frii.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger MK II sniping thoughts
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 7:16 AM

Well, after thinking about it, I guess it comes down to someone else was just
willing to pay more than I could.  I was just upset that I didn't get it.
That is what an auction is all about.  I hope it gets restored and driven
well
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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  6 11:36:30 2009
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary Crandall)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:36:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] On ebay and sniping
In-Reply-To: <9DC2DEE18EE04E09815CBF4E687673DD@student2>
Message-ID: <397147.42165.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tom,
 
Are you talking about the same Buck Trippel the rest of us know?
 
Gary
 
(Sorry, Buck, that was too easy)

--- On Fri, 2/6/09, Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net> wrote:

From: Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] On ebay and sniping
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 10:01 AM

Hey,
For what it's worth (I'm not sure sniping services were available at
the time) I won my "Book of Norman" on Ebay, manually sniping.  I got my
bid in in the very last second (confirmed by bid history) and ironically beat
out
current CAT President, Buck Trippel. I barely knew Buck at the time and had
no idea I was bidding against him. However, I'm sure glad Buck is a really
nice, understanding guy.  ;-)

Tom


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From chris at cthompson.net  Fri Feb  6 11:42:07 2009
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 14:42:07 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MK II sniping thoughts
In-Reply-To: <694104.42667.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <694104.42667.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <498C847F.9090908@cthompson.net>

Indeed.

And I read a book on auction theory, and it seems the e-bay folks read 
the same book.  It's conclusion was that of all the auction methods 
available (silent, sealed bid, etc), the e-bay way will always bring the 
most money.  And the bigger the audience, the more money will be paid as 
well.

So keep that in mind.  E-bay is probably by far the best place to sell 
an item.  It is also likely the most expensive place to buy an item.  At 
least where a picture and description will suffice.  Personally, I would 
never buy a car at almost any low price without seeing it in person.

Chris

Gary Crandall wrote:
> Bob,
>  
> You need to realize that the winning bid on Ebay is really determined by the
> maximum amount of the second place bid (plus the Ebay bidding margin), not the
> winners maximum amount. Your maximum bid may have been $100 for an item, but
> the winning bid only has to be $5 above that or whatever the Ebay bidding
> margin is for that bidding range. The winner could have bid a million dollars
> for that item, but you only see that his winning bid is $105. Naturally,
> you're upset thinking you were so close to winning, that if you
> only had another chance to bid $110, you could have won the item, but it
> always comes down to who has the highest bid, regardless of when the bid is
> placed. Sniping only limits the time people have to respond to a bid higher
> than their present maximum bid.
>  
> Gary

From jteepen at usatoday.com  Fri Feb  6 12:17:19 2009
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:17:19 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] On ebay and sniping
In-Reply-To: <9DC2DEE18EE04E09815CBF4E687673DD@student2>
Message-ID: <22D6EDA3E0A9E3498F3C3FC3697DCE34036825DB@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com>

For those that give a poo...

Buck Trippel is now president emeritus of CAT.  After two consecutive years of
stellar service to the club he turned over the reins (throttle?) to Bill Graf,
a former two term CAT president and current manager of the CAT parts service.

Jere Teepen

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Thomas Witt
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:01 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] On ebay and sniping

Hey,
For what it's worth (I'm not sure sniping services were available at the
time) I won my "Book of Norman" on Ebay, manually sniping.  I got my bid in in
the very last second (confirmed by bid history) and ironically beat out
current CAT President, Buck Trippel. I barely knew Buck at the time and had no
idea I was bidding against him. However, I'm sure glad Buck is a really nice,
understanding guy.  ;-)

Tom


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From tiger at sabr2th.com  Fri Feb  6 12:38:15 2009
From: tiger at sabr2th.com (Sabr2th)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:38:15 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Mk II Trim Question
Message-ID: <C5B1EDC7.24%tiger@sabr2th.com>

On the Mk II there is a thin piece of trim that mounts in front of the
bottom of the grille.  Does it mount flush to the grill or is some paint
supposed to be visible between the trim piece and grille?

I had the lower "valence" (the sheet metal assembly below the grill)
replaced when the car was repainted 16 years ago (could it really be that
long ago?) and they forgot to transfer the holes.  Now that I'm repainting
it for the second time, this is one of the things I'd like to correct.

Thanks,
Mark

From cmccann at lwpb.com  Fri Feb  6 12:46:00 2009
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 13:46:00 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] On ebay and sniping
In-Reply-To: <397147.42165.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <9DC2DEE18EE04E09815CBF4E687673DD@student2>
	<397147.42165.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473309D131952E@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

For my $.02....

I try to be a good guy, but I have been sniping on eBay forever...pardon this
sidenote: its like gun control....you may not agree with it, but criminals
will always have guns, so do you want the government to take away your gun and
now just the criminals have them? Basically what I'm saying is that if
everyone does it, then you have to do it to compete, or you will lose. you
have to play dirty or don't play at all...I wish it wasn't that way so we
could all have plus I don't personally agree that sniping raises the value of
the item...I have gotten many and many items on eBay under market value by
sniping...the way I see it, a true auction mentality and purpose, like the
Barrett Jackson or any other, is to force the buyers competing to pay the
absolute highest that they are prepared to pay, as early as possible. For me
it might be a bit sly, but it's still just business... and I don't want to
establish my highest value at the beginning of an auction....just so all of
those others watching the auction can sit around for days and evaluate if they
want to pay more than me? I don't think so....I believe that is just this
simple:   (ready? this is the million dollar summary)  it's to the sellers
advantage for you to bid early, bid often, and bid as high as you can
tolerate.....and it's to the buyers advantage for you to bid low, bid quick
and few of times as possible and bid late...the later the better, leaving less
time for the bid price to increase.

Here is another scenerio for purposes of comparison....a guy is selling a
tiger and it's a MkII, and you know it but he doesn't, he thinks it's a mk1a
or an MG or something. ( and this guy is a total stranger, not your friend or
family...or even acquaintance..) Would you tell the seller that his Tiger was
a mkII, when he thinks it's a mk1a and you can buy it cheaper if the secret is
kept?

Some people are that noble...but not many...and sniping is the same thing.
It's a buyer's tool to get a good deal....and unfortunately its every man for
himself most of the time. Sorry if that offends people...but I feel it's the
truth of the matter for me.


CM

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Fri Feb  6 12:50:51 2009
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (J. Nichols)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:50:51 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MK II-  Make Him An Offer He Can't Refuse
Message-ID: <006b01c98894$37ea2940$6401a8c0@your03667082de>

"Well, after thinking about it, I guess it comes down to someone else was
just willing to pay more than I could.  I was just upset that I didn't get
it.  That is what an auction is all about.  I hope it gets restored and
driven well by the new owner. "


It looks like you bid $26,700 if you are the last bidder.  If you really
wanted it you could have bid $40,000 and I'm pretty sure you would have won.
Maybe it would have sold for a lot less but then you are gambling that the car
is worth $40,000 if you win with your highest bid.  You could offer the
winning bidder $10,000 more than what he paid and see if he is interested in a
instant profit.



                                                                             
                                                             Jeff

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  6 14:15:58 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 13:15:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] On ebay and sniping
In-Reply-To: <22D6EDA3E0A9E3498F3C3FC3697DCE34036825DB@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com>
Message-ID: <976727.30187.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I allowed my membership to/in CAT to lapse following a peorid of not receicing but an occasional newsletter. I would happily join again if someone would email me the link of the dollar ammount to paypal etc etc.
Thanks, Tony Lang- aka- TonytheTiger

From MWood24020 at aol.com  Fri Feb  6 14:46:18 2009
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 16:46:18 EST
Subject: [Tigers] On ebay and sniping
Message-ID: <c43.4541950a.36be09aa@aol.com>

If you want a consistent, and consistently good, newsletter, you might also  
consider STOA if you're not already a member :-)
 
Mike
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From cmccann at lwpb.com  Fri Feb  6 14:53:41 2009
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 15:53:41 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] On ebay and sniping
In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473309D131952E@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>
References: <9DC2DEE18EE04E09815CBF4E687673DD@student2>
	<397147.42165.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473309D131952E@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473309D1319571@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

After some discussion with a dear friend and member of the list, it got me
thinking about something in my story, and I should clarify what I meant by my
story about the chap selling the mkII, and how most people wouldn't tell him
what it really is....

I would never stab a friend or a lister or member of the tiger community in
the back over a transaction, or just to make a few bucks, but I think most
would not disclose the details to a stranger or some dude who runs a salvage
yard if they thought they could save some money. Unfortunate as it may be that
is life I think. I think when it comes to friends on the list and such,
hopefully we would be understanding and communicate like when the BON was
being bid on against Buck....and Buck is an understanding guy so it was ok...
maybe whenever nice things come up on ebay we should all tell each other on
the list who's bidding, that way everyone is treated fairly...or we could have
our own little open bidding contest on the list, identity disclosed..  ;)

sorry to rant...im not even sure I know what im talking about.

From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  6 15:17:16 2009
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:17:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] On ebay and sniping
Message-ID: <802251.81002.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi,
     As it is, we are our own people, we act independently of others on the
list..as for bidding on AnyBey...shouldn't we do as we feel that we should?..I
don't have a Vested Interest in anyone here..having said that, I would not do
anything to harm or hurt Anyone..:-0
zym

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Fri, 2/6/09, Cullen McCann <cmccann at lwpb.com> wrote:


From: Cullen McCann <cmccann at lwpb.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] On ebay and sniping
To: "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 4:53 PM


After some discussion with a dear friend and member of the list, it got me
thinking about something in my story, and I should clarify what I meant by my
story about the chap selling the mkII, and how most people wouldn't tell him
what it really is....

I would never stab a friend or a lister or member of the tiger community in
the back over a transaction, or just to make a few bucks, but I think most
would not disclose the details to a stranger or some dude who runs a salvage
yard if they thought they could save some money. Unfortunate as it may be
that
is life I think. I think when it comes to friends on the list and such,
hopefully we would be understanding and communicate like when the BON was
being bid on against Buck....and Buck is an understanding guy so it was ok...
maybe whenever nice things come up on ebay we should all tell each other on
the list who's bidding, that way everyone is treated fairly...or we could
have
our own little open bidding contest on the list, identity disclosed..  ;)

sorry to rant...im not even sure I know what im talking about.
Tigers at autox.team.net
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From jd.sencindiver at gmail.com  Sat Feb  7 10:20:20 2009
From: jd.sencindiver at gmail.com (Jim Sencindiver)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 12:20:20 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MK II Bargain I THINK
In-Reply-To: <127893.60585.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <000e01c987f2$91e66280$f5fc7f0a@BobsDell>
	<127893.60585.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <afccfb4f0902070920o7da80fd0p858fa8d07a32d57e@mail.gmail.com>

Tony,
Yes the fuel pump door (battery door on Alpines) went away for the Mk IIs.
They did a new stamping at British Pressed Steel.

Keep on Tigering!

Jim Sencindiver (AKA Tiger_ii_Jim)


On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:01 AM, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I have a painter/body man who did the body work on an Alpine for me- still
> a bit of work left but its been in primer a long time- I'm pretty sure it
> will be an Alger if I live long enough. Thanks Doug Jennings for the work
> you did. The shop my buddy worked in was a family owned(3rd generation) Ford
> dealership. The owner was one of the top sellers in southern IL. as he put
> not only his customers first BUT also treated his employees with the same
> respect while expecting work he could sign his name to. The body shop did
> quite well and had a good reputation. Some years back the dealership
> invested in a computerized frame machine. The main problem was no one knew
> how to operate it. My buddy ask the boss if he could start attempting to
> straighten wrecks and soon they sent him to a school that the machines
> manufactures taught. It wasn't long until he could take what I would never
> have thought repairable and he was fixing the wrecks. It told you where to
> weld
>  lugs on to pull, how much to push and although I wouldn't swear to it, I
> think the machine also pulled and pushed fenders and other body parts- like
> I mentioned, I saw cars drive away that I would have bet would have gone to
> the masher for junk metal. Fixing the small differences in the two frame
> rails wouldn't be hard to do if it was taken to the right shop and if
> prepared to save time- like removing the front suspension etc, I'm sure the
> cost wouldn't be so much. It was mentioned the car was originally repaired
> by Tiger Auto. Doug Jennings restored Tigers while Tiger Auto worked on
> several foreign cars. I dint know if Doug did the work but in my mind I see
> him telling the owner what it would cost to be fixed right and I suspect he
> would have replaced the bent frame rail from the front back- to the place
> the frame rail wasn't part of the problem. I then see the owner deciding to
> take the cheaper repair and be happy with extra shims.
>
> My Mk1 broke a fulcrum pin and hit a deer- two separate accidents- the left
> side has two shims instead of one and it has to be for the same reason. I
> cant tell where the bend is but its obvious there is a slight twist
> somewhere and I dint remember the PO telling me which accident created the
> problem- the fulcrum pin or the deer. I'm not getting rid of the car. The
> front end alignment doesn't wear out tires, so I will live with the extra
> shim.
>
> Back to the Mk2-I think the buyer got a hellish of a deal. I do see him
> having problems getting the car back to original but even without the
> stainless molding, the car is a Mk2- one of only five hindered and some ever
> made and it can be repaired I'm certain and IF he finds the right shop, I
> dint think there are many man hours in tweaking the frame rails level and
> square. I remember seeing a drawing of the measurements of an original Tiger
> and with those and THAT computerized machine, that part is the cheapest of
> the problems to fix. ALL of this is my opinion BUT if I had the money I
> would have bid at least 30k. Of course I have a grill and spare air cleaner
> and steering wheel-- just finding that stainless- OOPS there was some Aussie
> guys making it a few years back- a bit expensive BUT they had some for sale
> at one time.
>
> Someone mentioned the battery door- or fuel pump access door- did the Mk2
> have this door or was it eliminated when the fuel pump went to the trunk??
> Thanks for listening to my opinion(s) and responding to my question.
> TonytheTiger
> PS- I had the seller email me pics of the underneath- appears to be about 4
> pieces of metal between the frame and the front suspension. I think I read
> the cross member had been reworked BUT part of the problem could be there.
> _______________________________________________

From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Sat Feb  7 17:06:32 2009
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 19:06:32 EST
Subject: [Tigers] fulcrum pins
Message-ID: <bfc.51fa1419.36bf7c08@aol.com>

Any comments on this????????????????????
 
 
In a message dated 2/4/2009 12:33:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
suntiger at comcast.net writes:

CAT  flagged  failing fulcrum pins as a problem  a couple of years ago,
but I never could figure out if the  problem was only certain OEM pins,
or  if all pins were  potential victims. Was there ever a final verdict
on which  pins were failing? Did everyone but me replace the pins? I've
had  my  '66  Tiger since '68; used to race vintage with it. I  did the
crossmember  reinforcements  and replaced  the bushings many years ago,
but  never   considered  the  fulcrum  pins. Is this something I  should
address  and if so, where can I get new pins? I  haven't driven the car
since  the  first  CAT  article and really need to get this thing going
again.
Thanks,
Dale  Pirie
Tigers at autox.team.net
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From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Sat Feb  7 19:40:40 2009
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 21:40:40 EST
Subject: [Tigers] fulcrum pins
Message-ID: <bf4.447db2c9.36bfa028@aol.com>

So the answer to the fulcrum pin problem is YES, NO, and sometimes MAYBE?  
Thanks. I guess.
 
 
In a message dated 2/7/2009 6:33:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, Cool VT  
writes:

 
 
Dale,
I think it comes down to the fact that they could last another 40 years  or 
could fail tomorrow. Seems something  like Russian  Roulette.  From everything 
that I've gathered it sounds like maybe 5%-10%  have failed.  I guess you have 
to decide whether you are a risk taker or  prefer to be ultra safe. And I 
think it's only the lowers that have had a  problem. 
Mark L

 
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From DJoh797014 at aol.com  Sat Feb  7 22:34:09 2009
From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 00:34:09 EST
Subject: [Tigers] fulcrum pins
Message-ID: <c08.55c11b2d.36bfc8d1@aol.com>

I guess its time to put the word out again.  But I'm a bit  hampered
in that the power supply failed in my PC and took the motherboard
with it.  The hard drive survived, but I have to get an enclosure to  get
my files off it.  Or I can use my old hard drive as a 40G  storage.
 
All my PICS and articles on the fulcrum pins aren't available until  then.
 
In a nut shell.  My friend Dr. Harvey Herro is a well recognized  expert
on failure analysis.  He's the one who opined 'Every pin, no  matter
its composition (steel, hardened steel, titanium, hryptonite, etc)  will
fail'. Some have replied that was a stupid statement as  everything
has a finite life.  Like saying 'Everyone will die sooner or  later.  He
examined both of the right lower pins that I had fail.  One was  the
original in stock bushings.  The other was a 4140 super strong  pin
in delron bushings.
 
Take it from me.  Having a fulcrum pin fail, let alone 2 in my  case,
is an experience you don't want.
 
His suggestion is to have you pins checked microscopically as 
well as magnfuxed.  Even if they pass, they can fail in a week
without notice.  My crack started 7 years ago and kept cracking
until catastrphic failure.  Dr Herro said the speed of the failure  in
steel probably came close to 600 mph.  Or about .0004 sec,   q
quicker than an eye blink.
 
He suggested using the best pin you can afford and to be careful
if you get any odd feeling from the front. He preferred  bushing with
poly or rubber in steel sleeves verses delron bushings.
 
John Logan has come up with a nice 'safety value' that will provide
some measure of safety if a pin breaks.  I know he's part of the  list
and if he reads this, I'm sure he'll send you a copy of his fix.   I
also believe his article in the TEAE archives.
 
Dr Herro said the Logan fix looks like it may work.  But it does
not prevent a pin from breaking.  He asks (1) has this fix been
tested in a lab?  (2)  Has anyone ever done a complete  failure
analysis on the A arm and fulcrum pin?  Until emperical data
is available, its all one man's opinion against another. I chose to 
go with Dr. Herrio.  The choice is yours
 
He also expressed concerns about people coming up with solutions 
that look good but have never been tested. 
 
 
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From suntiger at comcast.net  Sat Feb  7 22:45:14 2009
From: suntiger at comcast.net (Dale Pirie)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 22:45:14 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] fulcrum pins (update and thanks)
Message-ID: <498E716A.2090705@comcast.net>

   Thanks  to  all  who  have  responded  on- and off-line to my question
   regarding  fulcrum pin failures. Through your responses I've learned a
   lot  and met some very interesting and helpful people! The short story
   is  that I am personally convinced enough potential for failure exists
   that I am going to replace the pins.
   Thanks again for the help!
   Dale

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Sun Feb  8 16:21:17 2009
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 17:21:17 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?
In-Reply-To: <802251.81002.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <802251.81002.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001c98a43$f20ab640$d62022c0$@rr.com>

Now that my car is up and running again, I need to address those niggling
problems.

My generator drops off line over ~3800 rpm.  If I let the engine return to
idle it comes back on line.

I took a look at the manual and there is not any info on how to correct this
nor do I have the test equipment described.

TIA!

Duke
B382002037

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Feb  8 17:53:03 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:53:03 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?
In-Reply-To: <000001c98a43$f20ab640$d62022c0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <51D545812F474AA8B451CAF72B747D48@ronpc1>

Duke
	I'm sure you have looked at this but be sure the belt is properly
tightened, if slipping at 3800 rpm the voltage will fall off.

A voltmeter is really all you need to measure what's going on, an ammeter
helps some too.

Take the cover off the regulator and make sure the points are not all
crusted up.

There are some regulator settings listed on page 20 of the Shop Manual.

I always seem to have some problems with the generator system on my Tiger so
I did an alternator conversion.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Samouce's
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 6:21 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?


Now that my car is up and running again, I need to address those niggling
problems.

My generator drops off line over ~3800 rpm.  If I let the engine return to
idle it comes back on line.

I took a look at the manual and there is not any info on how to correct this
nor do I have the test equipment described.

TIA!

Duke
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  8 18:23:05 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 17:23:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?
Message-ID: <986856.88261.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Duke- About the only thing I can think of that would allow the gen to drop out
at higher rpms are the brushes are about worn out or one of the brush springs
is so weak it allows the brush to loose contact at higher rpms.I have a newly
rebuilt unit and they are available locally as many where used on Tractors and
Im in farm country. A decent alt/generator/starter shop should fix you up
cheaply. Least wise the chaps I use here are very fair. I recently had two
alternators from a S3 rebuilt - my generators but going on a friends S2. $35
each and nither worked prior to them opening them up- Im not sure what all
they did besides bearing in one but at todays prices I was happy. I can get
you a price on a unit here- not sure if its new or rebuilt BUT it would be
heavy to ship.
TtT

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:


From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?
To: "'Samouce's'" <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 6:53 PM


Duke
    I'm sure you have looked at this but be sure the belt is properly
tightened, if slipping at 3800 rpm the voltage will fall off.

A voltmeter is really all you need to measure what's going on, an ammeter
helps some too.

Take the cover off the regulator and make sure the points are not all
crusted up.

There are some regulator settings listed on page 20 of the Shop Manual.

I always seem to have some problems with the generator system on my Tiger so
I did an alternator conversion.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Samouce's
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 6:21 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?


Now that my car is up and running again, I need to address those niggling
problems.

My generator drops off line over ~3800 rpm.  If I let the engine return to
idle it comes back on line.

I took a look at the manual and there is not any info on how to correct this
nor do I have the test equipment described.

TIA!

Duke
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Sun Feb  8 18:41:57 2009
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 01:41:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?
In-Reply-To: <986856.88261.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <914155539.3274701234143717503.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Sounds to me like the Voltage Limiter relay..  Fig 15 in the shop manual.
How high is the VOLTAGE when it drops off line?  Simple adjustment.

Gary


----- Original Message -----

From: Tony Somebody 

To: rfraser at bluefrog.com

Cc: Beamclub 

Sent: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 01:23:05 +0000 (UTC)

Subject: Re: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?



Duke- About the only thing I can think of that would allow the gen to drop out

at higher rpms are the brushes are about worn out or one of the brush springs

is so weak it allows the brush to loose contact at higher rpms.I have a newly

rebuilt unit and they are available locally as many where used on Tractors and

Im in farm country. A decent alt/generator/starter shop should fix you up

cheaply. Least wise the chaps I use here are very fair. I recently had two

alternators from a S3 rebuilt - my generators but going on a friends S2. $35

each and nither worked prior to them opening them up- Im not sure what all

they did besides bearing in one but at todays prices I was happy. I can get

you a price on a unit here- not sure if its new or rebuilt BUT it would be

heavy to ship.

TtT



--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Ron Fraser wrote:





From: Ron Fraser 

Subject: Re: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?

To: "'Samouce's'" , tigers at autox.team.net

Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 6:53 PM





Duke

    I'm sure you have looked at this but be sure the belt is properly

tightened, if slipping at 3800 rpm the voltage will fall off.



A voltmeter is really all you need to measure what's going on, an ammeter

helps some too.



Take the cover off the regulator and make sure the points are not all

crusted up.



There are some regulator settings listed on page 20 of the Shop Manual.



I always seem to have some problems with the generator system on my Tiger so

I did an alternator conversion.



Ron Fraser



-----Original Message-----

From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]

On Behalf Of Samouce's

Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 6:21 PM

To: tigers at autox.team.net

Subject: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?





Now that my car is up and running again, I need to address those niggling

problems.



My generator drops off line over ~3800 rpm.  If I let the engine return to

idle it comes back on line.



I took a look at the manual and there is not any info on how to correct this

nor do I have the test equipment described.



TIA!



Duke

From PhastPhill at aol.com  Sun Feb  8 18:51:58 2009
From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 20:51:58 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger MK II sniping thoughts
Message-ID: <d3b.37635717.36c0e63e@aol.com>

Thats what I do every time. YOU bid what you will pay for the item and  thats 
it

From modtiger at comcast.net  Sun Feb  8 18:51:49 2009
From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:51:49 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] fulcrum pins
In-Reply-To: <bfc.51fa1419.36bf7c08@aol.com>
References: <bfc.51fa1419.36bf7c08@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20090208170538.04f7ba28@comcast.net>

At 04:06 PM 2/7/2009, you wrote:
>Any comments on this????????????????????

Hopefully to complete this discussion, there are a few factors to 
keep in mind.  First the Fulcrum Pin failure mechanism is due to 
cyclic metal fatigue.  The original design was done a long long time 
age when narrow bias ply tires were the state of the art.  It was 
also done for a vehicle that was powered by a 4 cylinder engine of 
less than 100 HP.  The design was certainly not the best in the 
world, but likely adequate for the intended service life of the 
original vehicle.

So here we are about 50 years after that design was conceived and 
were talking about a radically different vehicle which was redesigned 
into a sports car.  The power was increased initially by a factor of 
two and uncounted owners have increased the power by several factors 
above that level.  The vehicle was handicapped by a design compromise 
in the steering mechanism that was accepted by the manufacturer to 
save money.  Now we add to this the additional stress of tire 
compounds and stiffer shock absorbers, and the occasional use of this 
system close to the limits of the new composite assembly.

So the fulcrum pins on your vehicle have seen a lot higher stress 
that they were ever designed for.  They may have also managed to 
endure this increased load for 40+ years, a lot longer that anyone at 
the factory ever dreamed of.  Still the number of failures are really 
small in comparison to the number still in the field.  The failures 
also range from those resulting from backing into a parking space 
(the worst possible loading short of an accident) to those that have 
occurred on the highway at speed with disastrous results.

The problem is that the failures are instantaneous and can and do 
lead to a total lack of control.  This problem with the fulcrum pins 
has also been known for a long time.  Long before this list 
existed.  I wrote tech tips on this problem so long ago that I can't 
easily find my original files on the subject.  A substantial number 
of the population has had the pins changed at lease once if not more 
often.  I don't know of any knowledgeable shop or individual that 
would reuse a used fulcrum pin when they replace the suspension bushings.

If you are new to this Marque or this list, you are likely not aware 
of many of the situations that can effect the safe operation of a 
Tiger.  The risk is very personal and I recommend that you spend the 
time to become aware of the potential situations and alternative 
solutions that many of the rest of us have lived with and talked 
about for up to 40+ years.




Tom Hall
ModTiger Engineering LLC
www.tigerengineering.net

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Sun Feb  8 18:55:14 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:55:14 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?
In-Reply-To: <914155539.3274701234143717503.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <914155539.3274701234143717503.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <498F8D02.8070202@SoCal.rr.com>

Tigers,

LOTS of good advice coming thru about Generators and Voltage 
Regulators.  Most refer to the "Shop Manual".

For those who do not have their copy handy, it is at:

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsm1.asp

and the section on the Generator Electrics are at:

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmN6.asp

Steve

___
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Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com>

From marcsmall at comcast.net  Sun Feb  8 19:04:02 2009
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 21:04:02 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?
In-Reply-To: <498F8D02.8070202@SoCal.rr.com>
References: <914155539.3274701234143717503.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<498F8D02.8070202@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20090209020531.E847018788D@autox.team.net>

The most obvious place to look is the tension on
the drive belt.  On a generator, these have to be
set JUST right -- the jawbone solution is that it
should deflect about a quarter of an inch on its
longest throw at twenty pounds or so of
pressure.  But I am too lazy to dig out my shop
manual to check the factory specs.  The important
thing to bear in mind is that if it is too loose,
it will slip at speed and, if it is too tight, it
will cause at least the front bearing in the generator to fail.

If the voltage regulator itself is at fault, then
swap with a new unit.  These are not terribly
expensive when NOS can be found.  I do not
believe that they are still in production.

A rebuilt generator ought to be available.

But check the fan belt, first.  That is the most likely culprit.

Marc


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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Sun Feb  8 19:06:20 2009
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 20:06:20 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?
In-Reply-To: <986856.88261.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <986856.88261.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000101c98a5b$005d2090$011761b0$@rr.com>

Hey TtT,

I did a check of the Generator and it looks to be in just about new
condition.  The bearings are new and the brushes are thick and have good
springs.

When the gen drops off line I get the red light in the dash and the AMP
gauge show in the negative.  It is not gradual but a definite switch that
opens.

Thanks for your ideas and offer.

Duke

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Tony Somebody
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 19:23
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com
Cc: Beamclub
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?

Duke- About the only thing I can think of that would allow the gen to drop
out
at higher rpms are the brushes are about worn out or one of the brush
springs
is so weak it allows the brush to loose contact at higher rpms.I have a
newly
rebuilt unit and they are available locally as many where used on Tractors
and
Im in farm country. A decent alt/generator/starter shop should fix you up
cheaply. Least wise the chaps I use here are very fair. I recently had two
alternators from a S3 rebuilt - my generators but going on a friends S2. $35
each and nither worked prior to them opening them up- Im not sure what all
they did besides bearing in one but at todays prices I was happy. I can get
you a price on a unit here- not sure if its new or rebuilt BUT it would be
heavy to ship.
TtT

--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:


From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?
To: "'Samouce's'" <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 6:53 PM


Duke
    I'm sure you have looked at this but be sure the belt is properly
tightened, if slipping at 3800 rpm the voltage will fall off.

A voltmeter is really all you need to measure what's going on, an ammeter
helps some too.

Take the cover off the regulator and make sure the points are not all
crusted up.

There are some regulator settings listed on page 20 of the Shop Manual.

I always seem to have some problems with the generator system on my Tiger so
I did an alternator conversion.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Samouce's
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 6:21 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?


Now that my car is up and running again, I need to address those niggling
problems.

My generator drops off line over ~3800 rpm.  If I let the engine return to
idle it comes back on line.

I took a look at the manual and there is not any info on how to correct this
nor do I have the test equipment described.

TIA!

Duke
B382002037
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Sun Feb  8 19:07:27 2009
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 20:07:27 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?
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I don't know, all I have in the amp gauge.  I'll check my manual.

Thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of garywinblad at comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 19:42
To: Tony Somebody
Cc: Beamclub
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?

Sounds to me like the Voltage Limiter relay..  Fig 15 in the shop manual.
How high is the VOLTAGE when it drops off line?  Simple adjustment.

Gary


----- Original Message -----

From: Tony Somebody 

To: rfraser at bluefrog.com

Cc: Beamclub 

Sent: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 01:23:05 +0000 (UTC)

Subject: Re: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?



Duke- About the only thing I can think of that would allow the gen to drop
out

at higher rpms are the brushes are about worn out or one of the brush
springs

is so weak it allows the brush to loose contact at higher rpms.I have a
newly

rebuilt unit and they are available locally as many where used on Tractors
and

Im in farm country. A decent alt/generator/starter shop should fix you up

cheaply. Least wise the chaps I use here are very fair. I recently had two

alternators from a S3 rebuilt - my generators but going on a friends S2. $35

each and nither worked prior to them opening them up- Im not sure what all

they did besides bearing in one but at todays prices I was happy. I can get

you a price on a unit here- not sure if its new or rebuilt BUT it would be

heavy to ship.

TtT



--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Ron Fraser wrote:





From: Ron Fraser 

Subject: Re: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?

To: "'Samouce's'" , tigers at autox.team.net

Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 6:53 PM





Duke

    I'm sure you have looked at this but be sure the belt is properly

tightened, if slipping at 3800 rpm the voltage will fall off.



A voltmeter is really all you need to measure what's going on, an ammeter

helps some too.



Take the cover off the regulator and make sure the points are not all

crusted up.



There are some regulator settings listed on page 20 of the Shop Manual.



I always seem to have some problems with the generator system on my Tiger so

I did an alternator conversion.



Ron Fraser



-----Original Message-----

From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]

On Behalf Of Samouce's

Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 6:21 PM

To: tigers at autox.team.net

Subject: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?





Now that my car is up and running again, I need to address those niggling

problems.



My generator drops off line over ~3800 rpm.  If I let the engine return to

idle it comes back on line.



I took a look at the manual and there is not any info on how to correct this

nor do I have the test equipment described.



TIA!



Duke
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From marcsmall at comcast.net  Sun Feb  8 19:09:41 2009
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 21:09:41 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?
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References: <986856.88261.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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At 09:07 PM 2/8/2009, Samouce's wrote:
 >I don't know, all I have in the amp gauge.  I'll check my manual.

A VOM (voltage ohmmeter) can be had at Radio
Shack for $20 or so.  Basic, but necessary.

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Sun Feb  8 19:11:09 2009
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 20:11:09 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?
In-Reply-To: <20090209020531.E847018788D@autox.team.net>
References: <914155539.3274701234143717503.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Fan belt tension is good.  Makes me think though...I have a smaller pulley
on the water pump to spin the fan faster.  This will also spin the generator
faster.  Could this be a factor?

Thanks for all the comments guys!

Duke

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Marc James Small
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 20:04
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?

The most obvious place to look is the tension on
the drive belt.  On a generator, these have to be
set JUST right -- the jawbone solution is that it
should deflect about a quarter of an inch on its
longest throw at twenty pounds or so of
pressure.  But I am too lazy to dig out my shop
manual to check the factory specs.  The important
thing to bear in mind is that if it is too loose,
it will slip at speed and, if it is too tight, it
will cause at least the front bearing in the generator to fail.

If the voltage regulator itself is at fault, then
swap with a new unit.  These are not terribly
expensive when NOS can be found.  I do not
believe that they are still in production.

A rebuilt generator ought to be available.

But check the fan belt, first.  That is the most likely culprit.

Marc


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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sun Feb  8 19:27:11 2009
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:27:11 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?
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	<498F8D02.8070202@SoCal.rr.com>
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	<000301c98a5b$acda8970$068f9c50$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <02FA91DDE2654EF390791069F813B4D2@student2>

The faster pulley on the water pump won't alter the generator speed. They 
are independent of each other.  The generator RPM is dictated by the size of 
the crank pulley and the generator pulley. So, while RPM could still be a 
factor it isn't from the water pump pulley.
Tom 


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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Sun Feb  8 19:29:46 2009
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 20:29:46 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?
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Yep....just figured that one out.  I feel kinda silly now.

Thanks,
Duke

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Thomas Witt
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 20:27
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?

The faster pulley on the water pump won't alter the generator speed. They 
are independent of each other.  The generator RPM is dictated by the size of

the crank pulley and the generator pulley. So, while RPM could still be a 
factor it isn't from the water pump pulley.
Tom 


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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Sun Feb  8 19:35:44 2009
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 02:35:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?
Message-ID: <211716924.3295471234146944398.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

OR a DVM (digital voltmeter, much more accurate and better) at Harbor
Freight for about $4  (IIRC).

YES, a MUST have.

Gary

----- Original Message -----

From: Marc James Small 

To: Samouce's , garywinblad at comcast.net, 'Tony Somebody' 

Cc: 'Beamclub' 

Sent: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 02:09:41 +0000 (UTC)

Subject: Re: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?



At 09:07 PM 2/8/2009, Samouce's wrote:

>I don't know, all I have in the amp gauge.  I'll check my manual.



A VOM (voltage ohmmeter) can be had at Radio 

Shack for $20 or so.  Basic, but necessary.



Marc

From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Sun Feb  8 19:58:36 2009
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 21:58:36 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] fulcrum pins
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20090208170538.04f7ba28@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20090209025837.ZM6RA.57033.root@cdptpa-web22-z01>

Tom...

Glad you chimed in here. I recently read something you wrote
in 2001 regarding this. You mentioned a type pin turned on
a lathe which was not only a poor choice, but a dangerous replacement.
You alos mentioned other designs by Jennings and Akuzewski
that in your opinion were good choices. Do you still feel that
way ? I am fairly close to Dale so asking him to sell pins
or do a replacement would not be a big problem.

In my case I have no idea what is in the car and when or if they were ever replaced.
My wheels are 13" and my engine is stock so the stress on the system
is not as great as some cars. One part of your last post I don't understand is

"The failures 
also range from those resulting from backing into a parking space 
(the worst possible loading short of an accident) to those that have 
occurred on the highway at speed with disastrous results."

Could you explain any further on why backing into a parking space
is stressful ? I don't do that often but I do back down a driveway
with wheel in sharp turn just as I hit the ramp from sidewalk to
street level. This gives a sharp yank to the steering if I am
being lazy and not holding firmly to the wheel.

Steve R
B9473720

From DJoh797014 at aol.com  Sun Feb  8 20:26:26 2009
From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 22:26:26 EST
Subject: [Tigers] fulcrum pins
Message-ID: <c8d.3bd88963.36c0fc62@aol.com>

Well written Tom.
 
I might add that my advice is for everyone to look at
John Logan's fix and do it.
 
I survived two pin failures  one at 70mph with wife and son
the other a 10 mph while turning right.  I am still in the  process
of repair the car.
 
Maybe that's why I a little sensitive about the issue.
 
Dave
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Sun Feb  8 20:37:04 2009
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 22:37:04 EST
Subject: [Tigers] fulcrum pins
Message-ID: <d5b.3d79fa3e.36c0fee0@aol.com>

You breaking pins twice is a point to ponder.  I think others have  mentioned 
breaking pins twice.  What is the failure rate....5%-10%? What  are the odds 
of having failure twice?
Mark
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Feb  8 21:36:36 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:36:36 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?
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Duke
    It does sound like this is the problem.
 
You need a volt/ ohm meter to see what the voltage is doing.
 
Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: garywinblad at comcast.net [mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net] 
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:42 PM
To: Tony Somebody
Cc: rfraser at bluefrog.com; Beamclub
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Voltage Regulator ?


Sounds to me like the Voltage Limiter relay..  Fig 15 in the shop manual.
How high is the VOLTAGE when it drops off line?  Simple adjustment.

Gary

From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Sun Feb  8 21:48:41 2009
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 20:48:41 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] fulcrum pin Survey
References: <c8d.3bd88963.36c0fc62@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9DD078E517694754A347C19B5F808B37@your4dacd0ea75>

Maybe it's a good time to do an informal survey.
Dave reports he broke 2 fulcrum pins and another list member (Tony?) 
reported he broke one.

How many others on this list have actually broken fulcrum pins on their 
Tiger?

The results could help us all understand how widespread a problem we're 
dealing with.

Buck Trippel

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <DJoh797014 at aol.com>
To: <modtiger at comcast.net>; <AAAGLASSS at aol.com>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] fulcrum pins


> Well written Tom.
>
> I might add that my advice is for everyone to look at
> John Logan's fix and do it.
>
> I survived two pin failures  one at 70mph with wife and son
> the other a 10 mph while turning right.  I am still in the  process
> of repair the car.
>
> Maybe that's why I a little sensitive about the issue.
>
> Dave
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From tsmit at shaw.ca  Sun Feb  8 22:42:32 2009
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 22:42:32 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Sokoban, Tiger style.
Message-ID: <498FC248.4030505@shaw.ca>

http://members.shaw.ca/tsmit/pedals/cylindersinstall.JPG
http://members.shaw.ca/tsmit/pedals/pedalsinstall.JPG

Story:
http://members.shaw.ca/tsmit/pedals/pedals.html

Sokoban is a puzzle game (look it up, try to play it).

Cheers,
Theo

From PhastPhill at aol.com  Mon Feb  9 05:25:59 2009
From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 07:25:59 EST
Subject: [Tigers] fulcrum pin Survey
Message-ID: <bd6.48882ea8.36c17ad7@aol.com>

Two or three years ago I rebuilt my front end and used new upper and lower  
pins from Doug Jennings. All has been fine. Mind you the orginals looked ok as  
well. In fact the whole system, ackerman angle excluded, looked fine and  
showed little signs of wear and tear. Did not have to heat anything with  the 
torch to get it apart, all came apart with regular tools no  struggles. Guess the 
PO's did not drive far or hard, so maybe how the car  was used or abused is 
the key.......cheers....

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Mon Feb  9 05:48:05 2009
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:48:05 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] fulcrum pin Survey
In-Reply-To: <9DD078E517694754A347C19B5F808B37@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <c8d.3bd88963.36c0fc62@aol.com>
	<9DD078E517694754A347C19B5F808B37@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <39a841b0902090448i594216c8kb2aa9a91a66185f3@mail.gmail.com>

i witnessed one break last october on a stock tiger.  it was backing around
a corner in the pits after a morning on a race track here in the UK.

i put the doug jennings pins on my tiger when i did the front end.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 4:48 AM, Buck Trippel <BuckTrippel at verizon.net>wrote:

> Maybe it's a good time to do an informal survey.
> Dave reports he broke 2 fulcrum pins and another list member (Tony?)
> reported he broke one.
>
> How many others on this list have actually broken fulcrum pins on their
> Tiger?
>
> The results could help us all understand how widespread a problem we're
> dealing with.
>
> Buck Trippel
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <DJoh797014 at aol.com>
> To: <modtiger at comcast.net>; <AAAGLASSS at aol.com>
> Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 7:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] fulcrum pins
>
>
>  Well written Tom.
>>
>> I might add that my advice is for everyone to look at
>> John Logan's fix and do it.
>>
>> I survived two pin failures  one at 70mph with wife and son
>> the other a 10 mph while turning right.  I am still in the  process
>> of repair the car.
>>
>> Maybe that's why I a little sensitive about the issue.
>>
>> Dave
>> **************Who's never won?  Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time
>> on
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From robin02 at mindspring.com  Mon Feb  9 05:56:42 2009
From: robin02 at mindspring.com (Robin Young)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 07:56:42 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] fulcrum pin Survey
In-Reply-To: <9DD078E517694754A347C19B5F808B37@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <c8d.3bd88963.36c0fc62@aol.com>
	<9DD078E517694754A347C19B5F808B37@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <C48348EDC61C4A2D80B7E2B449672A94@RobinLaptop>

Both of mine were bent when I bought the  car nine years ago.  Robin Young

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Mon Feb  9 06:04:45 2009
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 07:04:45 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] fulcrum pin Survey
In-Reply-To: <9DD078E517694754A347C19B5F808B37@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <c8d.3bd88963.36c0fc62@aol.com>
	<9DD078E517694754A347C19B5F808B37@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <000901c98ab6$fb4f02b0$f1ed0810$@rr.com>

On my second Tiger....never broken a pin.  Had the first for three years.
This one is at just over a year.

Duke
B382002037

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Buck Trippel
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 22:49
To: DJoh797014 at aol.com; modtiger at comcast.net; AAAGLASSS at aol.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] fulcrum pin Survey

Maybe it's a good time to do an informal survey.
Dave reports he broke 2 fulcrum pins and another list member (Tony?) 
reported he broke one.

How many others on this list have actually broken fulcrum pins on their 
Tiger?

The results could help us all understand how widespread a problem we're 
dealing with.

Buck Trippel

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From: <DJoh797014 at aol.com>
To: <modtiger at comcast.net>; <AAAGLASSS at aol.com>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] fulcrum pins


> Well written Tom.
>
> I might add that my advice is for everyone to look at
> John Logan's fix and do it.
>
> I survived two pin failures  one at 70mph with wife and son
> the other a 10 mph while turning right.  I am still in the  process
> of repair the car.
>
> Maybe that's why I a little sensitive about the issue.
>
> Dave
> **************Who's never won?  Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time

> on
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0000003)
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From arado7 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb  9 07:04:22 2009
From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 06:04:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum pin survey
Message-ID: <273115.54009.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have owned my Mark 1 for twenty five years. Rebuilt front suspension twice.
Once with Delcron bushings and then back to rubber. I inspected pins carefully
and saw no deterioration. Car is in original condition and driven about 2k per
year.. Cheers,  Gary  B9472283

From arado7 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb  9 07:09:58 2009
From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 06:09:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] fulcrum pin Survey
Message-ID: <719012.80697.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have owned my Mark 1 for 25 years. I have rebuilt the front suspension twice. Once with delron bushes, then back to the rubber. I carefully inspected shafts both times. No deterioration apparent. Car is original and never raced. 

--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Buck Trippel <BuckTrippel at Verizon.net> wrote:

From: Buck Trippel <BuckTrippel at Verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] fulcrum pin Survey
To: DJoh797014 at aol.com, modtiger at comcast.net, AAAGLASSS at aol.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 4:48 AM

Maybe it's a good time to do an informal survey.
Dave reports he broke 2 fulcrum pins and another list member (Tony?) reported
he broke one.

How many others on this list have actually broken fulcrum pins on their Tiger?

The results could help us all understand how widespread a problem we're
dealing with.

Buck Trippel

----- Original Message ----- From: <DJoh797014 at aol.com>
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Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] fulcrum pins


> Well written Tom.
> 
> I might add that my advice is for everyone to look at
> John Logan's fix and do it.
> 
> I survived two pin failures  one at 70mph with wife and son
> the other a 10 mph while turning right.  I am still in the  process
> of repair the car.
> 
> Maybe that's why I a little sensitive about the issue.
> 
> Dave
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Mon Feb  9 10:47:37 2009
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 09:47:37 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Sokoban, Tiger style.
References: <498FC248.4030505@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <B40FFF82C75A4BCD802110980E9F41FB@student2>

Theo,
  How crafty.  I thought the first picture in the engine bay was the puzzle 
(Sokoban).  Like the end result wasn't what we were suppose to think it 
would be.  Thus, my first reaction was, "hydraulic throttle???" The other 
pictures clued me in.  Looks nice. When I have more time I'll read your 
article.
Tom 


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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Mon Feb  9 12:11:13 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 11:11:13 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] fulcrum pin Survey
In-Reply-To: <9DD078E517694754A347C19B5F808B37@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <c8d.3bd88963.36c0fc62@aol.com>
	<9DD078E517694754A347C19B5F808B37@your4dacd0ea75>
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Buck,

The survey is a good idea for acquiring failure rate/risk data.  I do 
recommend we also hear from the list on experience with replacement 
pins, especially those that went for the larger diameter pins and 
polyurethane bushings.  My own pins are still the originals, but some of 
the horror stories leave me queasy, as well as similar stories about 
"super pins".

I have seen these "super pins" without thread relief at thread root, not 
heat treated and using mild steel, and round bar stock as base 
material.  They have been made in the US as well as other countries, and 
lathe machined, rather than "CNC" , < 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lathe_(metal) >

/"CNC lathes are rapidly replacing the older production lathes 
(multispindle, etc) due to their ease of setting and operation. They are 
designed to use modern carbide tooling and fully utilize modern 
processes. The part may be designed by the Computer-aided manufacturing 
(CAM) process, the resulting file uploaded to the machine, and once set 
and trialled the machine will continue to turn out parts under the 
occasional supervision of an operator. The machine is controlled 
electronically via a computer menu style interface, the program may be 
modified and displayed at the machine, along with a simulated view of 
the process. The setter/operator needs a high level of skill to perform 
the process, however the knowledge base is broader compared to the older 
production machines where intimate knowledge of each machine was 
considered essential. These machines are often set and operated by the 
same person, where the operator will supervise a small number of 
machines (cell).

The design of a CNC lathe has evolved yet again however the basic 
principles and parts are still recognizable, the turret holds the tools 
and indexes them as needed. The machines are often totally enclosed, due 
in large part to Occupational health and safety (OH&S) issues.

With the advent of cheap computers, free operating systems such as 
Linux, and open source CNC software, the entry price of CNC machines has 
plummeted. For example, Sherline makes a desktop CNC lathe that is 
affordable by hobbyists."

/Steve

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Buck Trippel wrote:
> Maybe it's a good time to do an informal survey.
> Dave reports he broke 2 fulcrum pins and another list member (Tony?) 
> reported he broke one.
>
> How many others on this list have actually broken fulcrum pins on 
> their Tiger?
>
> The results could help us all understand how widespread a problem 
> we're dealing with.
>
> Buck Trippel

From cburruss at hiwaay.net  Mon Feb  9 17:37:53 2009
From: cburruss at hiwaay.net (Jim & Carolyn Burruss)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 18:37:53 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pin Survey
Message-ID: <AC485AE2230945A3AB403C6E63F09F9E@retired>

I am the second owner of my '65 Tiger; bought it from the original owner in
'68.  I autocrossed it for 6 years on heavy, wide tires.  When I began
rebuilding the front suspension when the car was 43 years old, there had been
no failures.  However, magnaflux revealed an invisible crack in one lower
fulcrum pin.  I replaced them both with new ones from Doug Jennings.

Jim Burruss

From amberlychamberlain at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb  9 18:09:22 2009
From: amberlychamberlain at sbcglobal.net (Amberly Chamberlain)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:09:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Dan Walters number
Message-ID: <178964.96730.qm@web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Can someone from the group send me Dan Walters contact info. 
 
 
Thanks
 
Frank

From DJoh797014 at aol.com  Mon Feb  9 18:10:34 2009
From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 20:10:34 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pin Survey
Message-ID: <c05.565e172e.36c22e0a@aol.com>

You may have just saved yourself and the car.
That how the pins cracks start.  According
to Dr Herro, Failure in steel occurs at about
the speed of sound (600 mph at sea level)
Do the math  600mi/hr x 5280 ft/mi x 12 in /ft
60min/hr x 60 sec/min = 1043333 in / sec
 
The pin will continue to crack a litlle bit each
time the stress exceeds the strength of the
pin, until catestropohic failure. If the pins are 
1 inch that means 1/1043333 sec to break.
 
How quick is your reaction time?
 
If you never exceed the pins strength again
the pin may last forever.  But who knows
 
Ever see aircraft wings pre cracked to
determine the strength of the wing?  Never
exceed the load and the wings will last for years.
Exceed the load and the wing may break off.
Not good if you are in the air.
 
Several years ago I tried to present my information
at a TE/AE United and was denied because I wasn't on
the schedule. They pooh-poohed my warnings
as crying the 'sky is falling'
 
I was shouting at a brick wall. I sat out in the hall
and passed out my information to those who
wanted it.
 
I say again, if you have your front end apart, you must
check the pins - magnafuxing and microscopically.
Replace with 4140 pins made by someone reputable
like SS or Doug.
 
Read and install the Logan fix.
 
Ignore this and I will pray you never have a pin beak.
 
Getting off the high horse now.  Top Gear in on.
 
Dave
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Feb  9 18:14:24 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:14:24 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pin Survey
In-Reply-To: <c05.565e172e.36c22e0a@aol.com>
References: <c05.565e172e.36c22e0a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0902091714j7d94630dmb67c9a2b26928bed@mail.gmail.com>

If you are rebuilding the front end.. why not just replace them with good
ones anyway.. cant see a point in putting ones back in if everything is
apart anyway.

-- 
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Michael King

From bamcnulty at optonline.net  Mon Feb  9 18:18:29 2009
From: bamcnulty at optonline.net (Tony McNulty)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 20:18:29 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pin Survey
References: <c05.565e172e.36c22e0a@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <BA4D823347584451A2C9319D47902F65@your4dacd0ea75>

Right ON!!!



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From: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
To: <DJoh797014 at aol.com>
Cc: <cburruss at hiwaay.net>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pin Survey


> If you are rebuilding the front end.. why not just replace them with good
> ones anyway.. cant see a point in putting ones back in if everything is
> apart anyway.
>
> -- 
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>
> Michael King
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Feb  9 18:33:23 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 17:33:23 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pin Survey
In-Reply-To: <c05.565e172e.36c22e0a@aol.com>
References: <c05.565e172e.36c22e0a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4990D963.2000306@mayfco.com>

My math must be wrong... I have a factor of about ten less than your 
numbers.

600 mi/hr * 5280 ft/mi * 12 in/ft * hr/3600 sec    = 10560 in/sec.  
failure for a 1 inch bar then would be 1 in / 10560 in/sec = 0.0000947 
sec or 0.094 milliseconds. Slower than your numbers but if correct still 
faster than a speeding train, lol

Where did I go wrong?  

mayf
DJoh797014 at aol.com wrote:

>You may have just saved yourself and the car.
>That how the pins cracks start.  According
>to Dr Herro, Failure in steel occurs at about
>the speed of sound (600 mph at sea level)
>Do the math  600mi/hr x 5280 ft/mi x 12 in /ft
>60min/hr x 60 sec/min = 1043333 in / sec
> 
>The pin will continue to crack a litlle bit each
>time the stress exceeds the strength of the
>pin, until catestropohic failure. If the pins are 
>1 inch that means 1/1043333 sec to break.
> 
>How quick is your reaction time?
> 
>If you never exceed the pins strength again
>the pin may last forever.  But who knows
> 
>Ever see aircraft wings pre cracked to
>determine the strength of the wing?  Never
>exceed the load and the wings will last for years.
>Exceed the load and the wing may break off.
>Not good if you are in the air.
> 
>Several years ago I tried to present my information
>at a TE/AE United and was denied because I wasn't on
>the schedule. They pooh-poohed my warnings
>as crying the 'sky is falling'
> 
>I was shouting at a brick wall. I sat out in the hall
>and passed out my information to those who
>wanted it.
> 
>I say again, if you have your front end apart, you must
>check the pins - magnafuxing and microscopically.
>Replace with 4140 pins made by someone reputable
>like SS or Doug.
> 
>Read and install the Logan fix.
> 
>Ignore this and I will pray you never have a pin beak.
> 
>Getting off the high horse now.  Top Gear in on.
> 
>Dave
>**************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy 
>Awards.  AOL Music takes you there. 
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Mon Feb  9 18:45:09 2009
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 19:45:09 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pin Survey
In-Reply-To: <4990D963.2000306@mayfco.com>
References: <c05.565e172e.36c22e0a@aol.com>
  <4990D963.2000306@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <000001c98b21$354907d0$9fdb1770$@rr.com>

So...what happens when a pin breaks?

Let's go with 10 mph, 70 mph and backing.

Where is this Logan fix to read about?

TIA!
Duke
B382002037........a bomb waiting to go off.

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Mon Feb  9 19:27:28 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 18:27:28 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pin Survey
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References: <c05.565e172e.36c22e0a@aol.com> 
	<4990D963.2000306@mayfco.com> <000001c98b21$354907d0$9fdb1770$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <4990E610.8080507@SoCal.rr.com>

Duke, and Tigers,

Just because you asked, and didn't try our Search magnifying glass:

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/LoganFulcrum/pt-LoganFulcrum1.asp

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Samouce's wrote:
> So...what happens when a pin breaks?
>
> Let's go with 10 mph, 70 mph and backing.
> *
> Where is this Logan fix to read about?*
>
> TIA!
> Duke
> B382002037........a bomb waiting to go off.

From dave at munroe.ca  Mon Feb  9 20:20:18 2009
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:20:18 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pin Survey
In-Reply-To: <4990E610.8080507@SoCal.rr.com>
References: <c05.565e172e.36c22e0a@aol.com>
	<4990D963.2000306@mayfco.com> <000001c98b21$354907d0$9fdb1770$@rr.com>
	<4990E610.8080507@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5298C0F686CF4D44BFFDBBCC3372DDA0@DavePC>

Thanks Steve:

Dave
( lurking with great interest...)



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Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pin Survey


> Duke, and Tigers,
> 
> Just because you asked, and didn't try our Search magnifying glass:
> 
> http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/LoganFulcrum/pt-LoganFulcrum1.asp
> 
> ___
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> <http://www.TigersUnited.com>
> 
> 
> 
> Samouce's wrote:
>> So...what happens when a pin breaks?
>>
>> Let's go with 10 mph, 70 mph and backing.
>> *
>> Where is this Logan fix to read about?*
>>
>> TIA!
>> Duke
>> B382002037........a bomb waiting to go off.
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From DJoh797014 at aol.com  Mon Feb  9 20:37:31 2009
From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 22:37:31 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pin Survey
Message-ID: <bfd.4eff67f2.36c2507b@aol.com>

Lower pin break
 
Front of pin The wheel collapses in turns left.  Your car
takes an immedaite left and you can't steer.
 
Back of pin break same as front except you turn right.
This is what happened in my last break.  At 10 mph my son
hit an Explorer on this right on the took out a light pole  
 
My first break with stock pins and bushing broke at the rear.   The
wheel collapsed and the car went left.  I was going 65-70 on 
QE1 in Canada with my wife and son.  It was all I could do to
keep control.  I remember just missing some bridge supports
and finalliy skidding into the grave shoulder. I purposely did
not apply the brakes until the end when I used the hand brake.
If I had hit the brakes hard, the car probably would have
snap rolled to the right. It was hard to sleep that night.
 
The Logan fix should be on the TE/AE web site.  I'm trying to
recover my info from my hard drive and can then send it to
those interested.  I did this a few years ago to listers.
 
I believe a CAT member was killed when his pin broke and
the car rolled.  I suspect that it was a broken pin that
caused that terrible accident to  a TEAE member in Southern IL.
an the way back from a United.
 
This is serious stuff. As Dr Herro said.  This design may have  been
OK 40 years ago.  Today it would not pass automotive engineering
standards.  But few 40 years old cars do.  Don't even think  about
asking about the king pins and bushings used on Model A's.
 
Dr Herro advised to not stop driving your car.  But make it  a  point
to check your car when possible.  Be alert to 'strange feelings' in  the 
steering, and wear a seat belt.It you are racing or competing it is
mandatory to check the pins.
 
If you have friends that are engineers in failure analysis, have them
look in the textbook they used.  Dr Herro was one of the  authors.
IE He wrote the textbook.
 
Dave
 
 
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From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb  9 21:34:59 2009
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (J. Nichols)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 23:34:59 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pin Survey
Message-ID: <000801c98b38$ef558b00$6401a8c0@your03667082de>

My car B9471120 is still on the original fulcrum pins and bushings.  I plan to
replace the bushings with copies of the original metalastic type and use
fulcrum pins made by a Mr. White this spring.  The pins were made out of some
type of hard steel.

                                                                             
                                                                           Je
ff

From tgrrr at peoplepc.com  Mon Feb  9 21:35:38 2009
From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 20:35:38 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins
Message-ID: <B0CA997DB44A4828806E1652743F239B@bob>

Whew! All these stories about fulcrum pin failure sure makes me glad I made 
the switch.
Thanks Mikey.

http://www.toyzjunkie.com/Images/New%20Tiger%20Suspension/New%20Comparison%202.jpg


Bob H 

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Feb  9 22:41:47 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:41:47 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] 65 tiger monte carlo footage
Message-ID: <d86d088a0902092141r72bd9a93o21282fe330bc2158@mail.gmail.com>

Rootes in-car video of the 1965 monte carlo rally

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BzwH...e=channel_page<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BzwHPXvPiI&feature=channel_page>

you got to check out 1:54!!!

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Feb  9 23:24:17 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:24:17 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] 65 tiger monte carlo footage
In-Reply-To: <FC13711C3D584A2AA3F1CDC06160502A@stevesdell>
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ok.. try this

http://www.youtube.com/user/sunbeam6366 go to favourites and its the first
one

or search:
Sunbeam Tiger, 1965 Monte Carlo

2009/2/10 Steve Coleman <tigerlat70 at comcast.net>

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> Subject: [Tigers] 65 tiger monte carlo footage
>
> Rootes in-car video of the 1965 monte carlo rally
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BzwH...e=channel_page<
> http://www.youtube.com
> /watch?v=8BzwHPXvPiI&feature=channel_page>
>
> you got to check out 1:54!!!
>
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Mon Feb  9 23:46:28 2009
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:46:28 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pin Survey
References: <000801c98b38$ef558b00$6401a8c0@your03667082de>
Message-ID: <A2E2773B56484261B5FE6C38538F9946@student2>

My car indicated a previous broken pin (lower, driver).  How?  There was a 
hole cut in the crossmember to thread out a broken pin bolt with channel 
locks!  Then to compound things the assumed second pin was bent.  Of course 
the broken steering rack arm with a "welded on" Alpine thread and tie rod 
end was a unique "upgrade." Floating ball joints and self off-centering 
steering U-Joints rounded out this "safety feature" that kept one from 
falling asleep at the wheel. To add more attentive free play in the steering 
the pinch bolt was loosened to meet maximum specs.

All rebuilt now. Logan and Crawley modifications were added with Derek White 
sourced lower pins from Africa.

Tom 


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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Tue Feb 10 13:14:55 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:14:55 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins
In-Reply-To: <B0CA997DB44A4828806E1652743F239B@bob>
References: <B0CA997DB44A4828806E1652743F239B@bob>
Message-ID: <4991E03F.2060402@SoCal.rr.com>

Tigers,

As always, TigersUnited.com has a wealth of information.  To find your 
specific subject I recommend the use of the "SEARCH" Magnifying Glass 
link at the top of all the pages, right next to the TigersUnited logo.

I used the search term "fulcrum pin" (all words search choice) and ended 
up with 30 references on the subject.  The most useful for this 
discussion were:

An article by Tom Hall on the subject (June 1999) :

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/th-ub/STOAbushings1.asp

and John Logan's article (Oct. 2001):

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/LoganFulcrum/pt-LoganFulcrum1.asp

and the Workshop Manual section:

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmF20.asp

Steve

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From prbreuhan at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 10 13:25:29 2009
From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:25:29 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins...where to buy?
In-Reply-To: <4991E03F.2060402@SoCal.rr.com>
References: <B0CA997DB44A4828806E1652743F239B@bob>
	<4991E03F.2060402@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-W10F9725DC96EDF624FD156AABD0@phx.gbl>

Tigers,
With all this discussion where does one buy new/quality fulcrum pins?

Paul
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From cars at wt-inc.com  Tue Feb 10 13:33:14 2009
From: cars at wt-inc.com (Lynn Wall)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:33:14 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins...where to buy?
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-W10F9725DC96EDF624FD156AABD0@phx.gbl>
References: <B0CA997DB44A4828806E1652743F239B@bob>
	<4991E03F.2060402@SoCal.rr.com>
	<BAY114-W10F9725DC96EDF624FD156AABD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001301c98bbe$ccf0ccb0$66d26610$@com>

I purchased mine from Dale A last spring and they are impressive.  Dale also
installed the new bushings for me.  This should be done by someone that has
the proper jig since it is easy to create scrap metal from your parts if you
do it wrong.

FWIW, I don't know if Tom Hall sells these things but, based on what I have
purchased from him in the past and his dedication to the marquee, I would
give him an unqualified recommendation as well.

Lynn

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Paul R. Breuhan
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:25 PM
To: Tigers Den
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins...where to buy?

Tigers,
With all this discussion where does one buy new/quality fulcrum pins?

Paul
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Tue Feb 10 13:36:14 2009
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:36:14 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] ***SPAM*** Re:  Fulcrum Pins...where to buy?
References: <B0CA997DB44A4828806E1652743F239B@bob><4991E03F.2060402@SoCal.rr.com>
	<BAY114-W10F9725DC96EDF624FD156AABD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D1570190511A@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

Doug Jennings (or maybe from his machinist, now that Doug is
retiring)...

I bought mine years back, to replace the stock pins, along with some
Delrin bushings. Since I'm slow to actually get things done, I never
actually got around to doing anything with the pins until the urethane
bushings were available from Rick at SS, so that's what I actually ended
up using. I think that Delrin bushings on the street, with the
cantilevered pin design, is a bad idea.

Doug's pins are very well machined and feature proper inside radius at
the transition from the larger diameter part to the portion where the
bushings go on. I haven't seen anyone else's pins so I can't comment on
those. If the pins have more than the most minute machining marks where
the diameter transitions are, then there is a risk that the machining
marks themselves will act as stress risers... It might be worthwhile to
polish that area of the pins (preferably in an axial direction) to
remove the marks.

For those that have bent or broken pins, where did they break? At the
points where the pins bolt onto the crossmember, or at the roots of the
diameter transitions where the bushings are?

Theo


> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul R. Breuhan
> Sent: February 10, 2009 1:25 PM
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> Subject: ***SPAM*** Re: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins...where to buy?
>
> Tigers,
> With all this discussion where does one buy new/quality fulcrum pins?
>
> Paul
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From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Tue Feb 10 13:42:53 2009
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:42:53 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins...where to buy?
References: <B0CA997DB44A4828806E1652743F239B@bob>
	<4991E03F.2060402@SoCal.rr.com>
	<BAY114-W10F9725DC96EDF624FD156AABD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E4AD486CDDE1420F9C4AB42EC497AACA@your4dacd0ea75>

I spoke with Doug yesterday. He plans to continue selling his fulcrum pins.

Buck Trippel

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Tigers Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins...where to buy?


> Tigers,
> With all this discussion where does one buy new/quality fulcrum pins?
>
> Paul
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From TIGEROOTES at aol.com  Tue Feb 10 16:49:07 2009
From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:49:07 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins   (Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 49)
Message-ID: <bd1.4b35cc6d.36c36c73@aol.com>

request at autox.team.net writes:

> A number of years ago Derek White has some pins made in Africa.  They were 
> purported to be made from steel used in Caterpillar tractors. 
> 
Tom,
       Brent Edinger and I purchased several sets of fulcrum pins from Derek 
and they were completely unacceptable.  None of them were the same length as 
eachother, the slots on the sides were randomly cut and the machined ends were 
also completely different lengths on each pin.
Jim Leach    Pacific Tiger Club     Seattle


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From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Tue Feb 10 16:59:52 2009
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:59:52 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Give Me a Brake
Message-ID: <cc7.4bb5b1e7.36c36ef8@aol.com>

Suggestions on where to get the servo  & front calipers  rebuilt  Also who 
handles rear wheel brake cylinder retaining parts?   Thanks  

B382002560

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From TIGEROOTES at aol.com  Tue Feb 10 17:08:04 2009
From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:08:04 EST
Subject: [Tigers] fulcrum pins (Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 57)
Message-ID: <d1c.3a3d2222.36c370e4@aol.com>

tigers-request at autox.team.net writes:

> How many others on this list have actually broken fulcrum pins on their 
> Tiger?
> 

Buck, et al:
I'm pretty sure Wayne Reuter broke a fulcrum pin in his Tiger about 35 years 
ago.  Wayne is the original owner and he was the SCCA Solo-2 National Champion 
at least one year, in his Mk-1.  If my memory holds, he was backing up...
Jim Leach    Pacific Tiger Club     Seattle


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From bamcnulty at optonline.net  Tue Feb 10 18:00:48 2009
From: bamcnulty at optonline.net (Tony McNulty)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:00:48 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins   (Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 49)
References: <bd1.4b35cc6d.36c36c73@aol.com>
Message-ID: <30CEC37278024685A19EB1E03DDD58F1@your4dacd0ea75>

I'm looking into monel as a possible material -- I recall that the USCG used 
that for prop shafts on the 40" utility boats with twin Jimmy 6-71's. 
Rarely broke under the worst kinds of conditions imaginable.

Anyone have the proper machine drawings for these critters?




----- Original Message ----- 
From: <TIGEROOTES at aol.com>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins (Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 49)


> request at autox.team.net writes:
>
>> A number of years ago Derek White has some pins made in Africa.  They 
>> were
>> purported to be made from steel used in Caterpillar tractors.
>>
> Tom,
>       Brent Edinger and I purchased several sets of fulcrum pins from 
> Derek
> and they were completely unacceptable.  None of them were the same length 
> as
> eachother, the slots on the sides were randomly cut and the machined ends 
> were
> also completely different lengths on each pin.
> Jim Leach    Pacific Tiger Club     Seattle
>
>
> **************
> The year's hottest
> artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards.  AOL Music takes you 
> there.
> (http://music.aol.com/grammys?ncid=emlcntusmusi00000002)
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From DJoh797014 at aol.com  Tue Feb 10 18:29:01 2009
From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:29:01 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins...where to buy?
Message-ID: <d38.41e83a94.36c383dd@aol.com>

>From Doug Jennings of Tiger Auto in Dayton
**************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy 
Awards.  AOL Music takes you there. 
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From crbernardino at mac.com  Tue Feb 10 19:07:53 2009
From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:07:53 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Not Tiger - Concept Cars: Dodge Viper Reimagined For 1967
Message-ID: <8F170044-A7CE-4665-B65F-CA02E4F8E60F@mac.com>

Something different yet cool. Instead of dreaming of our cars in the  
future, this designer thought of a 1967 Dodge Viper. Among the  
interesting tidbits, he thought it would cost 4100 in 1967. How much  
was a MkII back then?

http://jalopnik.com/5150603/dodge-viper-reimagined-for-1967



Rob in CT
1966 Mk1A Tiger
B382000262 LRXFE
JAL660245
Color Code 39: Carnival Red

From gswaybright at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 10 19:14:17 2009
From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:14:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Not Tiger - Concept Cars: Dodge Viper Reimagined For
 1967
Message-ID: <689177.53591.qm@web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Interesting,
But I think since the Viper concept was the answer to the question of what a
modern Shelby Cobra would be... so the answer to what a '67 Viper would be is
easy to answer... it's a Shelby Cobra.

--- On Tue, 2/10/09, Rob Bernardino <crbernardino at mac.com> wrote:


From: Rob Bernardino <crbernardino at mac.com>
Subject: [Tigers] Not Tiger - Concept Cars: Dodge Viper Reimagined For 1967
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 9:07 PM


Something different yet cool. Instead of dreaming of our cars in the 
future, this designer thought of a 1967 Dodge Viper. Among the 
interesting tidbits, he thought it would cost 4100 in 1967. How much 
was a MkII back then?

http://jalopnik.com/5150603/dodge-viper-reimagined-for-1967

From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 19:20:55 2009
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:20:55 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins...where to buy?
In-Reply-To: <d38.41e83a94.36c383dd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4992360a.1e70420a.3078.ffff8ebb@mx.google.com>

How can I contact Doug.  I can't find an email address or website.

Thanks,
Joe Brown
B382000217

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On Behalf Of DJoh797014 at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins...where to buy?

>From Doug Jennings of Tiger Auto in Dayton
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From tsmit at shaw.ca  Tue Feb 10 20:31:28 2009
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (THEO SMIT)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:31:28 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins   (Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 49)
In-Reply-To: <30CEC37278024685A19EB1E03DDD58F1@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <bd1.4b35cc6d.36c36c73@aol.com>
	<30CEC37278024685A19EB1E03DDD58F1@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <ce969066233f.4991e420@shaw.ca>

In "Engineer to Win" Carroll Smith tells about the time that someone decided
to make Can-Am rear halfshafts out of maraging steel. This is a superalloy of
sorts with a very high yield stress and is used in a lot of applications where
light weight and high strength is required. Unfortunately it has very poor
tolerance of repeated stress reversals, and a lot of people broke a lot of
halfshafts until they read the full spec on the material.

I'm not saying that Monel is the wrong material or that the "caterpillar bolt"
material used by Derek White was the wrong material for fulcrum pins, but the
needs of the fulcrum pin application should determine what the right material
is, not the fact that a particular alloy was used on a boat, backhoe, or the
Space Shuttle.

Dale and Doug's pins are not that expensive in the context of a full front
crossmember rebuild, especially if you factor in any required straightening or
reinforcing of the crossmember. Just buy the things from them... you know that
they will be made from a suitable material, they'll be machined properly using
the appropriate tools, and they'll fit.

Cheers,
Theo

----- Original Message -----
From: Tony McNulty <bamcnulty at optonline.net>
Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:01 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins   (Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 49)
To: TIGEROOTES at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net

> I'm looking into monel as a possible material -- I recall that
> the USCG used
> that for prop shafts on the 40" utility boats with twin Jimmy 6-
> 71's.
> Rarely broke under the worst kinds of conditions imaginable.
>
> Anyone have the proper machine drawings for these critters?
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <TIGEROOTES at aol.com>
> To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins (Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 49)
>
>
> > request at autox.team.net writes:
> >
> >> A number of years ago Derek White has some pins made in
> Africa.  They
> >> were
> >> purported to be made from steel used in Caterpillar tractors.
> >>
> > Tom,
> >       Brent Edinger and I
> purchased several sets of fulcrum pins from
> > Derek
> > and they were completely unacceptable.  None of them were
> the same length
> > as
> > eachother, the slots on the sides were randomly cut and the
> machined ends
> > were
> > also completely different lengths on each pin.
> > Jim Leach    Pacific Tiger
> Club     Seattle
> >
> >
> > **************
> > The year's hottest
> > artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards.  AOL
> Music takes you
> > there.
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From mark.rense at ge.com  Wed Feb 11 06:18:16 2009
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd))
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:18:16 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Not Tiger - Concept Cars: Dodge Viper Reimagined For
 1967
In-Reply-To: <8F170044-A7CE-4665-B65F-CA02E4F8E60F@mac.com>
References: <8F170044-A7CE-4665-B65F-CA02E4F8E60F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F039BAF0D766724ABE5A33EEDB320E5A06CB715C@LOUMLVEM03.e2k.ad.ge.com>

An interesting exercise, it has a little mid-60's Vette with a touch of
Cheetah thrown in. On a brighter note, the series of pictures of the
Cobra graced by Danica certainly got my motor started this morning!

Bugz

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rob Bernardino
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:08 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Not Tiger - Concept Cars: Dodge Viper Reimagined For
1967

Something different yet cool. Instead of dreaming of our cars in the
future, this designer thought of a 1967 Dodge Viper. Among the
interesting tidbits, he thought it would cost 4100 in 1967. How much was
a MkII back then?

http://jalopnik.com/5150603/dodge-viper-reimagined-for-1967



Rob in CT
1966 Mk1A Tiger
B382000262 LRXFE
JAL660245
Color Code 39: Carnival Red
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From PhastPhill at aol.com  Wed Feb 11 06:36:37 2009
From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:36:37 EST
Subject: [Tigers] ***SPAM*** Re:  Fulcrum Pins...where to buy?
Message-ID: <cf2.4ddc4991.36c42e65@aol.com>

Bought mine from Doug Jennings about three years ago. Seem to be  fine.

From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Wed Feb 11 08:29:22 2009
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:29:22 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] 65 tiger monte carlo footage
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a0902092141r72bd9a93o21282fe330bc2158@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090211152923.HQ11P.91341.root@cdptpa-web18-z02>

Thanks for posting that link. First time I've seen such footage.
I enjoy seeing and learning more about the racing history of our cars.
It was odd watching this during the fulcrum pin discussion. I
wonder how stock the steering/susp was on the works cars.

Steve

From lpaulick at comcast.net  Wed Feb 11 08:31:08 2009
From: lpaulick at comcast.net (Larry Paulick)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:31:08 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pin Failure Cause
Message-ID: <4992EF3C.9020501@comcast.net>

While there have been some good discussions on the Fulcrum Pin, one item 
that Tom eludes to has not been explained fully.

The Tiger has the wrong Ackerman Angle.  On a normal suspension, the 
inside tires turn on a smaller radius than the outside tires.  The Tiger 
has just the opposite radius in turns, i.e. the inside tire has a larger 
radius turn than the outside.

The result is the tires scrub, which is especially bad when backing up 
and turning the wheel near or at full turn.

If you have paid attention, you would have noticed and felt, and maybe 
even heard the scrubbing and protest of the tires putting stress on the 
suspension, and especially the fulcrum pins.

Solution, an entirely new suspension design, as shown in a recent post.

Next solution, new pins, Logans Fix, and a correction to the ackerman 
angle problem to help eliminate this issue.

Dale A's kit uses different steering arms and R&P that help bring the 
ackerman angle back to neutral, not all the way back to the correct 
angle.  I don't think it can be done with the current Tiger suspension.

But, in the pecking order of things to do, first correct, or as nearly 
as possible the ackerman angle problem with Dale A's kit, then new 
fulcrum pins, and finally Logans Fix.

There is an article on Dale A's Kit in Tiger United.

Larry

From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Wed Feb 11 08:38:46 2009
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 07:38:46 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Survey Summary
Message-ID: <9108133AE12F45F19A79459ADFA8292C@your4dacd0ea75>

The "Failure" responses fell into 3 main categories:

1) List members with broken pin(s):

-  Dave reports he broke 2 fulcrum pins

-  another list member (Tony?) reported he broke one.
-  SC: LFC broke at rear, between bolt and control arm 2/9

-  Tom Witt saw evidence on crossmember of PO's pin failure 2/9

       (maybe I should have put this account in the #3 group)



2) List members who found a crack and replaced the pins:

-  Robin Young: 2 bent by PO. One was also cracked at rear 2/9

-  Jim Burrus: crack found by magnaflux - replaced without incident 2/9



3) List members recounting failure in someone else's Tiger:

-  Owain Lloyd: witnessed a failure in someone else's Tiger 2/9

-  Jim Leach recalls that Wayne Reuter broke a pin backing up. 2/10

Anyone else out there with a fulcrum pin problem to report?

Buck Trippel

From mark.rense at ge.com  Wed Feb 11 10:01:38 2009
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd))
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:01:38 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum pin survey
In-Reply-To: <273115.54009.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <273115.54009.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F039BAF0D766724ABE5A33EEDB320E5A06CB7374@LOUMLVEM03.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Both my cars have had the cross members rebuilt and up-graded by Doug
Jennings, replacement of the fulcrum pins was include. The lower pins on
B382001465 were clean and looked normal when they came out and showed no
sign of cracking under both radiograph and die penetrant tests, I kept
them as spares. This car only had 48K miles at the time.

Both of the lower pins that came out B382000991 were bent slightly
inward on the rear minor diameters. This car was autocrossed in a
previous life, so I expected that. Although these pins were bent,
neither had started to crack, indicating the material choice was a good
one.

I've been a Mechanical Engineer for 30 years now, and I have had no
small experience in the reliability and fatigue sciences. I do not know
what the exact material Lord Rootes chose for his pins, but I'll wager
it was a medium carbon cold rolled steel. In industry, 1045 CRS is the
most common drive shaft material, used in gearboxes, motor shafts and
the like. That type of steel material is fairly cheap, machines well,
can be surface hardened and has enough strength to withstand cyclic
stresses. It is also is ductile enough to allow some yield before it
begins to crack.

The forces that create failure modes come in several varieties. There
are elastic lateral displacements due to bending moment and transverse
shear, and there are angular elastic displacements from transmitted
torque. Also, the way the energy is transmitted to the part will cause
different types of failures. Impact loading, such as when your Tiger
hits a curb while backing up at full lock, can cause a pin to fail
instantly, as the impulse energy will overcome the yield strength of the
material at the weakest point and cascade into a rapid failure. Slow
cycling, such as normal suspension movement combined with braking and
steering, can cause work hardening until the fatigue limits are passed
and the material yields and fails through crack propagation. It might
take years to reach the critical point, but the failure will take a few
milliseconds to complete.

I believe all the pin failures are due to fatigue failures caused by
cyclic forces and/or by abnormal high static loading. Big, fat, sticky
tires combined with four-piston brakes will put an order of magnitude
more forces into the suspension over what the original designer
intended, and those forces are resolved through the fulcrum pins. The
fact that many pins are found to be bent indicates that the original
material choice was sound. Sudden catastrophic failures are due to the
material failing at one spot and rapidly propagating. That initial
failure spot could have been a tool chatter mark, a gouge, a squared-off
shoulder, or even a chunk of carbon in the steel. Bushing material and
fit also contribute, a hard bushing transmits higher and more
concentrated energy spikes to the pin.

So, what does it all mean? Well, fundamentally, the original design was
flawed from the onset, and most of us have exceeded those design limits,
repeatedly. Every pin will fail eventually given enough time and miles
driven. Pins made correctly out of higher strength material will help by
increasing the yield strength of the material, but if you're doing track
days and running sticky R8s and a stroker motor, I would still suggest
you check your pins often.

Bugz
B382000991
B382001465

From shutchin at netjets.com  Wed Feb 11 12:20:43 2009
From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:20:43 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins   (Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 49)
In-Reply-To: <ce969066233f.4991e420@shaw.ca>
References: <bd1.4b35cc6d.36c36c73@aol.com><30CEC37278024685A19EB1E03DDD58F1@your4dacd0ea75>
	<ce969066233f.4991e420@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D403D00B1C@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>

How 'bout Inconel.

It is what they went to when the wing bolts of the King 200s were
starting to snap from turbulence.


Truth be told fixing the ackerman problem would probably solve 99% of
the pin problems.



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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 11 12:43:19 2009
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary Crandall)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:43:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins   (Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 49)
In-Reply-To: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D403D00B1C@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>
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I agree. According to DrMayf 's analysis, Dale's ackerman angle kit only makes
a 2 degree imporovement, while another 7 degrees is needed.
 
http://www.mayfco.com/steering.htm

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From: Scott Hutchinson <shutchin at netjets.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins (Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 49)
To: "THEO SMIT" <tsmit at shaw.ca>, "Tony McNulty" <bamcnulty at optonline.net>
Cc: TIGEROOTES at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 11:20 AM

How 'bout Inconel.

It is what they went to when the wing bolts of the King 200s were
starting to snap from turbulence.


Truth be told fixing the ackerman problem would probably solve 99% of
the pin problems.



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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Wed Feb 11 12:41:42 2009
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:41:42 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pin Failure Cause
References: <4992EF3C.9020501@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4AF73624E3B140BBB6905F92C771F2D6@student2>

This goes with what Larry said and applies the rule of "every little bit 
helps."   The MGB steering arms are a relatively simple and cheap way of not 
correcting, but improving the Ackerman issues in the Tiger.  If one goes 
this route know that one of the bolt holes needs to be filed a small amount 
to fit.  File the back side of the front hole.  This will move the arm 
forward in the desired direction.

I'm not sure where the arms are readily available from, but typically I fine 
at least one MGB during my junk yard sojourns.  I recall paying $3 - $6 each 
the last time (about 3 years ago).  By the way, the hardest part of getting 
them out is removing the tie rod end.  Do it first (ask me why I know).

Also, while Dale's kit requires the older Midget rack, I have mocked up the 
later model rack.   I never completely installed it, but it did seem viable. 
It also allowed use of the stock Midget rack clamp (with a few spacers - 
washers would probably do).  In Dale's it is a machined parts.  So, if 
anyone is of the "tinkering" nature I'll send out a few pictures of how far 
I got.

 The ability to connect the rack ends to the tie rods was the limiting 
issues in my progress. The rack/tie rod adapters in Dale's kit won't work 
(even if he was willing to sell them separately).  The later Midget rack has 
arms of a smaller diameter.  They were small enough to cause concern until I 
saw the same diameter on my 3,500 pound Turbo Coupe.

Tom Witt 


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From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Wed Feb 11 14:04:34 2009
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:04:34 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum Radiators
Message-ID: <20D36F38867943A5996E8936FE9FC3EE@your4dacd0ea75>

I spoke to Dale today about his supply of Fulcrum Pins (very low).

However he told me he now has Aluminum Radiators back in stock. They are
triple pass and use the expansion tank. $450

Buck Trippel

From Landcmitch at aol.com  Wed Feb 11 15:32:43 2009
From: Landcmitch at aol.com (Landcmitch at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:32:43 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins
Message-ID: <c16.58bd08f8.36c4ac0b@aol.com>

Everyone knows (by now) that the incorrect ackerman angle places enormous  
stresses on the front suspension, especially when backing and turning.   This 
was not a concern when the system was designed for the  Alpine steering 
mechanism.
 
Over twenty years ago I was acquainted with Lou Anderson, who lived in  
Vista,CA (north of San Diego) while he was developing his Ackerman angle  
correction kit.  I bought and installed one of the first ones (from C  AT)and it is on 
the car today, never giving any problem.  Basically, what  it does is put a 
kink in the steering rods which straighten out as the wheels  are turned, 
reducing the amount the outer wheel turns and increasing the amount  the inner wheel 
turns.  At 20 deg. inside the outer is 17 degrees which is  perfect.  There 
is an article in Tigers United about the kit.
 
Does anyone out there have this kit still installed?
 
Charlie
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Wed Feb 11 15:45:53 2009
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:45:53 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins
References: <c16.58bd08f8.36c4ac0b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D1570190512B@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

The Alpine doesn't have the Ackerman problem because its steering
mechanism operates from behind the front axle, and it's much easier to
set up ackerman correction from that side. When the steering arms are in
front of the axle, the tie rod balljoints have to be located further
outboard than the steering axis in order to get Ackerman correction. The
problem with the Tiger is that, at least with the stock discs and
wheels, you can't get the tie rod balljoint that far out because it
would hit the brake disc. The issue is compounded by having the rack
located far ahead of the tie rod balljoints.

To Bob and Mike Hokanson: Does the front crossmember that you built
locate the rack under the oil pan, and do you then end up using one of
the late model 5.0 (rear sump) oil pans?

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Landcmitch at aol.com
> Sent: February 11, 2009 3:33 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins
>
> Everyone knows (by now) that the incorrect ackerman angle
> places enormous
> stresses on the front suspension, especially when backing and
> turning.   This
> was not a concern when the system was designed for the
> Alpine steering mechanism.
>
<snip>

From hokey at oasisol.com  Wed Feb 11 16:15:28 2009
From: hokey at oasisol.com (Mike Hokanson)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:15:28 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins
References: <c16.58bd08f8.36c4ac0b@aol.com>
	<60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D1570190512B@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <679CDAAB4B5F4BA49CDFF9314A1C6EF3@Iggy>

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Smit, Theo
  To: Landcmitch at aol.com ; tigers at autox.team.net
  Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins
  Theo and Tigers List:  No, the steering rack is not located under the oil
pan.  The rack is positioned directly in front of the pan, under the crank
snout between the pan face and the backside of the balancer.  Very tight
quarters depending on which balancer you use.  When I initially designed the
setup, I was fortunate that the spindle arrangement allowed me to position the
rack in that location.  The Flaming River center tube is fairly compact as
opposed to other steering racks out there on the market and that helped.  The
whole package is pretty tight, but fits.  Keep in mind the issues with people
swapping motor mounts from left to right, etc.  Some cars have the motor set
differently than others.

  Mike Hokanson




  The Alpine doesn't have the Ackerman problem because its steering
  mechanism operates from behind the front axle, and it's much easier to
  set up ackerman correction from that side. When the steering arms are in
  front of the axle, the tie rod balljoints have to be located further
  outboard than the steering axis in order to get Ackerman correction. The
  problem with the Tiger is that, at least with the stock discs and
  wheels, you can't get the tie rod balljoint that far out because it
  would hit the brake disc. The issue is compounded by having the rack
  located far ahead of the tie rod balljoints.

  To Bob and Mike Hokanson: Does the front crossmember that you built
  locate the rack under the oil pan, and do you then end up using one of
  the late model 5.0 (rear sump) oil pans?

  Theo

From DJoh797014 at aol.com  Wed Feb 11 16:22:37 2009
From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:22:37 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum pin survey
Message-ID: <c46.4daee83a.36c4b7bd@aol.com>

Mark
 
Your opinions agree completely with Dr Herro's.  
 
Thanks for sharing with us.
 
Dave
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From cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 11 16:37:20 2009
From: cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net (Chris Richards)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:37:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Lou Anderson Ackerman Angle Upgrade?!??
In-Reply-To: <4AF73624E3B140BBB6905F92C771F2D6@student2>
Message-ID: <926350.32659.qm@web83206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have one here at my shop in Arcata....I would sell or trade for a stock
front suspension with original fulcrim pins....
 
Chris
 

 
From: Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pin Failure Cause
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 11:41 AM

This goes with what Larry said and applies the rule of "every little bit
helps."   The MGB steering arms are a relatively simple and cheap way of
not
correcting, but improving the Ackerman issues in the Tiger.  If one goes
this route know that one of the bolt holes needs to be filed a small amount
to fit.  File the back side of the front hole.  This will move the arm
forward in the desired direction.

I'm not sure where the arms are readily available from, but typically I
fine
at least one MGB during my junk yard sojourns.  I recall paying $3 - $6 each
the last time (about 3 years ago).  By the way, the hardest part of getting
them out is removing the tie rod end.  Do it first (ask me why I know).

Also, while Dale's kit requires the older Midget rack, I have mocked up the

later model rack.   I never completely installed it, but it did seem viable.
It also allowed use of the stock Midget rack clamp (with a few spacers -
washers would probably do).  In Dale's it is a machined parts.  So, if
anyone is of the "tinkering" nature I'll send out a few pictures
of how far
I got.

 The ability to connect the rack ends to the tie rods was the limiting
issues in my progress. The rack/tie rod adapters in Dale's kit won't
work
(even if he was willing to sell them separately).  The later Midget rack has
arms of a smaller diameter.  They were small enough to cause concern until I
saw the same diameter on my 3,500 pound Turbo Coupe.

Tom Witt

From garywinblad at comcast.net  Wed Feb 11 16:42:25 2009
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:42:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins
In-Reply-To: <679CDAAB4B5F4BA49CDFF9314A1C6EF3@Iggy>
Message-ID: <1559908873.4619101234395745933.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Mike,

As you can see, there is a lot interest in solving the ackerman/fulcrum pin issue
with other Tiger owners.  Reading that you were discontinuing making your
excellent looking suspension left probably a lot of Tiger people really bummed
because we didn't get one when they were available.

As a public service, is there any chance that you would license your design?

Awhile back, someone contacted a guy in Michigan(?) that makes a replacement
front suspension for MGBs.  He wanted to do a Tiger version but didn't have a
Tiger available...  Just maybe he might be interested in your design and you
could collect royalties while he does the work and the Tiger community could
still feel good while driving to the store in their beloved car...  ???

Gary

----- Original Message -----

From: Mike Hokanson 

To: Theo Smit 

Cc: tigers at autox.team.net

Sent: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:15:28 +0000 (UTC)

Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins



  ----- Original Message -----

  From: Smit, Theo

  To: Landcmitch at aol.com ; tigers at autox.team.net

  Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:45 PM

  Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins

  Theo and Tigers List:  No, the steering rack is not located under the oil

pan.  The rack is positioned directly in front of the pan, under the crank

snout between the pan face and the backside of the balancer.  Very tight

quarters depending on which balancer you use.  When I initially designed the

setup, I was fortunate that the spindle arrangement allowed me to position the

rack in that location.  The Flaming River center tube is fairly compact as

opposed to other steering racks out there on the market and that helped.  The

whole package is pretty tight, but fits.  Keep in mind the issues with people

swapping motor mounts from left to right, etc.  Some cars have the motor set

differently than others.



  Mike Hokanson

From garywinblad at comcast.net  Wed Feb 11 16:52:45 2009
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:52:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Mustan double hump pan
In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D1570190512B@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <914750851.4624351234396365826.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hi Theo,

Are thinking the same thing I am?

The Mustang double hump pan would help in designing a new suspension
Like Mike's but maybe even better.  I am thinking tubular like all the K member
designs I see in the Mustang mags.  Even lighter weight, even stronger (the
pan hump would be right in line with the front wheel centerline.  Steering rack
behind the second hump (rear steer, rack down low with perfect ackerman).

Gary 

----- Original Message -----

From: Theo Smit 

To: Landcmitch at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net

Sent: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:45:53 +0000 (UTC)

Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins


To Bob and Mike Hokanson: Does the front crossmember that you built

locate the rack under the oil pan, and do you then end up using one of

the late model 5.0 (rear sump) oil pans?



Theo

From lpaulick at comcast.net  Wed Feb 11 17:14:50 2009
From: lpaulick at comcast.net (Larry Paulick)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:14:50 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins   (Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 49)
In-Reply-To: <820279.8919.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <820279.8919.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <499369FA.5090504@comcast.net>

  In measurements on my car, On the Tiger, the turning radius were 
reversed, i.e. the inside wheel had a larger turning radius (26 degrees 
& 5 minutes), that the outside wheel (30 degrees & 15 minutes), at full 
lock.

 From actual measurements, I put the front tires on a turntable, to 
check the final ackerman angle. Dales kit puts the ackerman angle at a 
neutral angle, and not the wrong ackerman angle that the stock Tiger 
suffer from. A gain of 3 degrees, in the right direction.

Larry

Gary Crandall wrote:
> I agree. According to DrMayf 's analysis, Dale's ackerman angle kit only makes
> a 2 degree imporovement, while another 7 degrees is needed.
>  
> http://www.mayfco.com/steering.htm
>
> --- On Wed, 2/11/09, Scott Hutchinson <shutchin at netjets.com> wrote:
>
> From: Scott Hutchinson <shutchin at netjets.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins (Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 49)
> To: "THEO SMIT" <tsmit at shaw.ca>, "Tony McNulty" <bamcnulty at optonline.net>
> Cc: TIGEROOTES at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 11:20 AM
>
> How 'bout Inconel.
>
> It is what they went to when the wing bolts of the King 200s were
> starting to snap from turbulence.
>
>
> Truth be told fixing the ackerman problem would probably solve 99% of
> the pin problems.
>
>
>
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From hokey at oasisol.com  Wed Feb 11 17:33:27 2009
From: hokey at oasisol.com (Mike Hokanson)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:33:27 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Mustan double hump pan
References: <914750851.4624351234396365826.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <3860A33713E14B32B7C7379CC5A9AACC@Iggy>

I looked at the possibility of using the Fox pan as an opportunity to change
to a rear-steer design a few years ago, but the headers immediately take it
out of the equation.  I will be using the Fox-style pan with increased
capacity as this allows me to use a removable crossmember that ties the frame
rails together and serve as a means of ditching the Tiger cast mounts allowing
me to fabricate a decent set of headers with larger primary tubes.  To answer
a few other inquiries I rec'd today asking about the new front crossmembers
I'm building - I'm still building them.  I have one going into a crate as we
speak and shipping Friday.  Another is getting ready for powdercoat.  I also
have another going to the S.F. Bay area as soon as I can get it finished.  I'm
a busy guy, and there is a fair amount of time involved fabricating these
units.  I am starting the mockup for the rear IRS unit that I'm building and
it looks like my time available to build things will become fairly limited
starting this Fall.  Reason for my prior posting concerning the production run
is several people wanted one, but when I contacted them and their spot was
available, nearly 20 people backed out for numerous reasons, mostly due to
cost realization when it came time to write the check, and I can fully
understand it's a fair chunk of $$$ to be investing in a toy for some people.
I'll dump upwards of $1500 or more in parts and materials alone before I turn
on the Tig machine.  Then it takes me around 100-120 hours to fully fabricate
the unit and get it powdercoated, etc.  Bottom line - if someone wants one,
speak up and we'll take care of business before the timeline gets crunched and
my schedule becomes frazzled later this year.  I've always tried to
accommodate people's schedules and timelines, and I'll always be able to
fabricate everything I've done in the past, but you'll have to wait for it.
My main concern was to not schedule a bunch of units and then have a time
constraint.  I do not want to disappoint anybody.

Mike
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: garywinblad at comcast.net
  To: Theo Smit
  Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
  Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 3:52 PM
  Subject: [Tigers] Mustan double hump pan



  Hi Theo,

  Are thinking the same thing I am?

  The Mustang double hump pan would help in designing a new suspension
  Like Mike's but maybe even better.  I am thinking tubular like all the K
member
  designs I see in the Mustang mags.  Even lighter weight, even stronger (the
  pan hump would be right in line with the front wheel centerline.  Steering
rack
  behind the second hump (rear steer, rack down low with perfect ackerman).

  Gary

  ----- Original Message -----

  From: Theo Smit

  To: Landcmitch at aol.com, tigers at autox.team.net

  Sent: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:45:53 +0000 (UTC)

  Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins


  To Bob and Mike Hokanson: Does the front crossmember that you built

  locate the rack under the oil pan, and do you then end up using one of

  the late model 5.0 (rear sump) oil pans?



  Theo
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From PhastPhill at aol.com  Wed Feb 11 19:29:13 2009
From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:29:13 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins   (Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 49)
Message-ID: <be2.435620ed.36c4e379@aol.com>

I could be wrong ,but as a retired professional tech and one with  several  
friends still in the business, the first comment we all have one  looking at 
the tiger front end is WTF. the ackerman angle is all wrong and IMHO  has to be 
a huge factor in pin failure. My MKII is very original so I just  rebuilt the 
thing and left it stock, with a bit of rewelding. It appears my car  lead a 
very sheltered life as well, just lucky. If I was not concerned with  originally 
I would go with a front end with better  geomentry.

From tigeruk at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 11 19:28:22 2009
From: tigeruk at sbcglobal.net (Peter Phelps)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:28:22 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] fulcrum pin failure
Message-ID: <B5CF1165B85E4D3FAD36B64E6F5F2373@OfficePC>

Buck and other Tigers,

Years ago ('91) at Tigers United XVII in Santa Rosa, Deb and I pulled into the
host hotel parking lot in my black tiger. We turn left into a space only to be
told all the Tigers were parking elsewhere. Reversing at the same full left
lock, we had moved back about 15 feet when there was a tremendous unloading of
energy only to be contain by a bent Koni shock ram and a slightly bent shock
tower on the right side (already reinforced). The lower pin had failed at the
rear near the radius with the tire headed toward the front valence. I was only
running a 5" American 8 spoke with a CN36 Pirelli, not the stickiest setup.
But it could not have happen at a better time, plenty of friendly interest and
help. Ran the rest of that T.U. on a borrowed A arm from a helpful local
owner's parts pile. After that slow speed incident, it was aftermarket pins
for me and my wife.

Buck, you can add me to group #1.

Peter Phelps
Grass Valley, Ca.

From rab65tiger at aol.com  Thu Feb 12 13:35:16 2009
From: rab65tiger at aol.com (rab65tiger at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:35:16 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] LOU ANDERSON KIT
Message-ID: <8CB5B688C2AEE86-165C-1446@FWM-M38.sysops.aol.com>

What is the driving feel with the Lou Anderson Kit versus stock, or midget rack with MGB arms.? Any impact on suggested alignment specs, or does it make it any more difficult to align?? I purchased a car with this set up,?the cross member is out, it has been welded per shop notes, has new poly bushings and ball joints.? Any experiance with?setting this arrangement up?? When I dissasembled the car there were no aluminum spacers for camber betreen inibodu from and the crossmember, I put replacements in, any insight why these may have been left out from previous owner?

Randy B.?

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 16:03:04 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:03:04 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Ebay "tiger"
Message-ID: <d86d088a0902121503o3f977c28q82a2440efbbfc282@mail.gmail.com>

anyone had a chance to view this car.. obviously some gooft details gogin
on.. and home made tag.. but whats the story?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-1965-Sunbeam-Tiger_W0QQitemZ250372672578QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item250372672578&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From CoolVT at aol.com  Thu Feb 12 16:15:56 2009
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:15:56 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Ebay "tiger"
Message-ID: <bec.33a380ef.36c607ac@aol.com>

It's too bad that the owner left holes in the dash. It really takes  away 
from the presentation.  
I would be curious to know what model car the fan shroud came  from. Seems to 
fit. 
Mark
 
 
anyone  had a chance to view this car.. obviously some gooft details gogin
on.. and  home made tag.. but whats the story?


Michael  King


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From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Thu Feb 12 16:32:01 2009
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:32:01 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Ebay "tiger"
Message-ID: <bc1.48d2c37b.36c60b71@aol.com>

I you look at the grill pic you can see the electric fan. 
 
 
In a message dated 2/12/2009 3:16:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
CoolVT at aol.com writes:

It's too  bad that the owner left holes in the dash. It really takes  away 
from  the presentation.  
I would be curious to know what model car the fan  shroud came  from. Seems 
to 
fit. 
Mark


anyone  had  a chance to view this car.. obviously some gooft details gogin
on..  and  home made tag.. but whats the story?


Michael   King


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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Thu Feb 12 16:29:48 2009
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:29:48 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Ebay "tiger"
References: <d86d088a0902121503o3f977c28q82a2440efbbfc282@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <801134C84621498CAC58DB90E7A4F22D@student2>

>>>"A new crate engine has been installed"<<<

 Judging by the pictures the words "a while ago" seems to be missing. There 
seems to be a lot more pictures than words.  But, as long as it's the real 
deal to the right person it may be a viable buy.

Tom 


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From cmccann at lwpb.com  Thu Feb 12 16:45:15 2009
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:45:15 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Ebay "tiger"
In-Reply-To: <801134C84621498CAC58DB90E7A4F22D@student2>
References: <d86d088a0902121503o3f977c28q82a2440efbbfc282@mail.gmail.com>
	<801134C84621498CAC58DB90E7A4F22D@student2>
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473309D145903B@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

Why does the ID plate look like a JAL plate, not having the LRXFE color code
info etc... is that typical for early B947 cars?

From dave at munroe.ca  Thu Feb 12 17:01:11 2009
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:01:11 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Ebay "tiger"
In-Reply-To: <bec.33a380ef.36c607ac@aol.com>
References: <bec.33a380ef.36c607ac@aol.com>
Message-ID: <86D80E611EDD43A78F51D61AB6FD933E@DavePC>

>From the amount of rust on the chassis fasteners and in the engine 
room....looks like it might have been submerged.
The shroud looks like its made of plastic Mark; and does look like a good 
fit.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <CoolVT at aol.com>
To: <michael.s.king at gmail.com>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ebay "tiger"


> It's too bad that the owner left holes in the dash. It really takes  away
> from the presentation.
> I would be curious to know what model car the fan shroud came  from. Seems 
> to
> fit.
> Mark

From v8tracker at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 17:10:52 2009
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:10:52 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Ebay "tiger"
In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473309D145903B@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>
References: <d86d088a0902121503o3f977c28q82a2440efbbfc282@mail.gmail.com><801134C84621498CAC58DB90E7A4F22D@student2>
	<4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473309D145903B@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>
Message-ID: <8A63C5CC1EFA458E94D77BB9E8396EC6@DellD4700>

It looks like a JAL plate because it appears to be in the location
originally used for the JAL plate. The early 947 cars had complete VIN
plates just as the later cars have in the same location. The only change in
the ID elements was when the data plate was dropped.

The BON does not have any information on that VIN. I would certainly want to
check the VIN with Norm Miller as well as see some history and other
documentation of the true VIN for the car.

HTH,
A. C. Tynes
New Orleans 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:45 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ebay "tiger"
> 
> Why does the ID plate look like a JAL plate, not having the 
> LRXFE color code info etc... is that typical for early B947 cars?
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From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Thu Feb 12 17:33:38 2009
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:33:38 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Ebay "tiger"
In-Reply-To: <8A63C5CC1EFA458E94D77BB9E8396EC6@DellD4700>
Message-ID: <20090213003338.FKCLI.10501.root@cdptpa-web26-z02>

The more up to date registry at Norms website indicates
that chassis number was in Kissimee Fla in Aug 2005.
I wonder what became of the real chassis tag ?

Steve


> 
> The BON does not have any information on that VIN. I would certainly want to
> check the VIN with Norm Miller as well as see some history and other
> documentation of the true VIN for the car.
> 
> HTH,
> A. C. Tynes
> New Orleans 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
> > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann
> > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:45 PM
> > To: tigers at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ebay "tiger"
> > 
> > Why does the ID plate look like a JAL plate, not having the 
> > LRXFE color code info etc... is that typical for early B947 cars?
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From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Thu Feb 12 18:03:10 2009
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:03:10 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Ebay "tiger"
Message-ID: <20090213010310.MKU0Z.10988.root@cdptpa-web26-z02>

The more up to date registry at Norms website indicates
that chassis number was in Kissimee Fla in Aug 2005.
I wonder what became of the real chassis tag ?

Steve


> 
> The BON does not have any information on that VIN. I would certainly want to
> check the VIN with Norm Miller as well as see some history and other
> documentation of the true VIN for the car.
> 
> HTH,
> A. C. Tynes
> New Orleans 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
> > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann
> > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:45 PM
> > To: tigers at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ebay "tiger"
> > 
> > Why does the ID plate look like a JAL plate, not having the 
> > LRXFE color code info etc... is that typical for early B947 cars?
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From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net  Thu Feb 12 19:51:20 2009
From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:51:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] WTB: Part for Original Oil Filter Set-Up
Message-ID: <263573.30457.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I am looking for a good (as in good threads... not necessarily perfect
cosmetically) oil filter "connector."  That is, the upper aluminum "housing"
that the oil filter seals against in the original Tiger Mark 1 and 1A remote
filter set up.  Although I just need that part, if I have to I will consider
buying an entire used oil filter set up, depending on condition and price.

Thanks,

Bill Waite
Grand Rapids, MI

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 13 01:50:54 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 00:50:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Ebay "tiger"
Message-ID: <892584.8816.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I could find NO pics that showed any proof it is a Tiger and the VIN makes me think that even more so. The trunk area is all carpeted over and the frame rails dont have a pic showing the dual exhaust indentions and on and on. I was curious about the vin number that the pedals where moved farther apart. My Mk1 pedals are a pain as they are closer together than my past Mk1A cars and I have to check the other Mk1 cars but Im pretty sure that there was a change- the VIN is an early Mk1 but the pedals are far apart IMHO perhaps. Someone would have to prove to me that car is a real Tiger- the dash is also home made. Missing VIN, missing gauges, especially the hard to get gauges. The seller is a car lot. The best place to sell an Alger would be to a car lot , again IMHO perhaps.
TtT

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Fri Feb 13 07:17:20 2009
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (J. Nichols)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:17:20 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Ebay "tiger"
Message-ID: <002c01c98de5$c9142e60$6401a8c0@your03667082de>

"anyone had a chance to view this car.. obviously some gooft details gogin
on.. and home made tag.. but whats the story?"



After looking at the photos the car seems to have a home-built, half assed
quality about it.   The grille bar falling down, the home made Sunbeam
emblems, the hand crafted dash missing half the gauges, steering wheel held
together by masking tape and  missing the center piece, make it look slip
shod.    On the other hand, it has a LAT hood, mini-lite wheels, and a decent
paint job which look good until you see the other details.  Its the type of
car that looks good driving by but don't look at it closely when it stops.


                                                                             
                                                              Jeff

From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net  Fri Feb 13 07:35:57 2009
From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 06:35:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Remote Filter Part Repair?
Message-ID: <457927.94053.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I was late seeing the auction that just finished on e-Bay (thanks to those who
suggested it).  The reason I'm looking for the part is that I managed to screw
up the threads in the fitting that the filter seats against.  I'm talking
about the female threaded part that the end of the "short" hose threads into.

Has anyone repaired that part using an insert or some other method? 
Otherwise, I'm still looking for a replacement.  I'm starting to restore our
Mark I and this is just one of a 1000 things on my list. 

Thanks,

Bill Waite
Grand Rapids, MI

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 13 08:19:44 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 07:19:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Remote Filter Part Repair?
Message-ID: <832607.88529.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Bill- If I loan you one, perhaps yours can be tigged welded up, drilled and retapped. Im hoping they have pipe threads but if it doestnt, perhaps it can be tapped to pipe threads and an adaptor put on the short hose. Ive never inspected the threads and for all I know they are British. I do have one I am glad to loan you but I have use for it down the road- providing I live that long, so I dont want to sell it. Im thinking that with a good one you might find a shop that can repair yours. Tom Hall could make you one, I have no doubt but it might not be worth the cost. Toms work is above reproach but his time is limited. He also may be the one machinest/welder that could repair your part.
TOM, what are your thougts on the hose threads in the oil filter top- I believe thats the return line.
TtT

From v8tracker at gmail.com  Fri Feb 13 09:28:22 2009
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:28:22 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Green car on E-Bay
Message-ID: <B6B4C5A31B594654B606413103391EA9@DellD4700>

All,

The listing for the green car has been pulled from E-Bay.

A. C. Tynes
New Orleans

From wwwdg at webtv.net  Fri Feb 13 09:57:48 2009
From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:57:48 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Green car on E-Bay
In-Reply-To: "A. C. Tynes" <v8tracker@gmail.com>'s message of Fri, 13
	Feb 2009 10:28:22 -0600
Message-ID: <BAY141-DAV1C0555E93A95F28AF47A9ADB80@phx.gbl>

It also has a nice muffler job, Flowmasters behind the rear axle and I
don't know how they put the pipes over the rear axle?  David Franchi 

http://images2.auction123.com/sizequalitypredef/99bf3a1a-4b88-4081-85cd-560f99b3ef8b/B9470917/41.jpg?webimage001l

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Feb 13 10:11:42 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:11:42 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Remote Filter Part Repair?
In-Reply-To: <457927.94053.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2AACE21400A54177821A06837D4CACDE@ronpc1>

Bill
	I believe that is a tube nut with inverted flare for 1/2" tubing.
My Weatherhead catalog states this should be a 3/4"x18 thread fitting.  The
problem is that the inverted flare means you need a specialty tap to clean
the threads and not nick up the flare part of the female fitting.

	I would suggest you check to see if there is a hydraulic line repair
shop in your area; they just might have the special tap needed to chase the
threads or know other options for fixing your part.

	If you can find a similar tube nut you can cut slots down the length
of the threads to make your own thread chaser and clean up those threads.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Bill Waite
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 9:36 AM
To: Tiger Talk List Tiger
Subject: [Tigers] Remote Filter Part Repair?


I was late seeing the auction that just finished on e-Bay (thanks to those
who suggested it).  The reason I'm looking for the part is that I managed to
screw up the threads in the fitting that the filter seats against.  I'm
talking about the female threaded part that the end of the "short" hose
threads into.

Has anyone repaired that part using an insert or some other method?
Otherwise, I'm still looking for a replacement.  I'm starting to restore our
Mark I and this is just one of a 1000 things on my list.

Thanks,

Bill Waite
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 13 10:49:34 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:49:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] copy of email from the auctioneer of the green Tiger
Message-ID: <843709.3254.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Fri, 2/13/09, Keith Petty <keithp at tiptonmotors.com> wrote:


From: Keith Petty <keithp at tiptonmotors.com>
Subject: RE: You've received a question about your eBay item, Other Makes
To: achd73 at yahoo.com
Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 9:11 AM








Hello,
 
I appreciate your question and those of the many others who have concerns
about this car. Since this is a consignment unit for a customer of ours and he
is not available to answer questions until next week, I am going to pull the
listing and try to answer your question in an updated listing then. 
 
Yours truly,
 
Keith Petty
Inventory Manager
Tipton Motors, Inc.
3840 No.  Expressway
Brownsville, TX 78526
(956)350-5600
keithp at tiptonmotors.com
 
 

From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Fri Feb 13 12:32:57 2009
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:32:57 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger tool kit
Message-ID: <20090213193258.NT72C.19609.root@cdptpa-web03-z02>

My car came with no jack and no tools. I've been putting this
stuff together as I find them. As far as the tool kit
I've been using Norm's suggestion of the pictures at 

http://www.classictiger.com/techtips/techtips.html

I have most of a kit now and just ran across a grease gun
claimed to be correct for Alpines and Tigers but the above
link has no picture or even mention of a grease gun as part
of a factory tool kit. Whats gives ? Was a grease gun in the kit
and anyone have a picture if it was ?

Thanks

Steve R
B9473720

From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Fri Feb 13 12:33:14 2009
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:33:14 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger tool kit
Message-ID: <20090213193314.8U0C9.19617.root@cdptpa-web03-z02>

My car came with no jack and no tools. I've been putting this
stuff together as I find them. As far as the tool kit
I've been using Norm's suggestion of the pictures at 

http://www.classictiger.com/techtips/techtips.html

I have most of a kit now and just ran across a grease gun
claimed to be correct for Alpines and Tigers but the above
link has no picture or even mention of a grease gun as part
of a factory tool kit. Whats gives ? Was a grease gun in the kit
and anyone have a picture if it was ?

Thanks

Steve R
B9473720

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Fri Feb 13 13:25:59 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:25:59 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger tool kit
In-Reply-To: <20090213193258.NT72C.19609.root@cdptpa-web03-z02>
References: <20090213193258.NT72C.19609.root@cdptpa-web03-z02>
Message-ID: <4995D757.4060309@SoCal.rr.com>

Steve R.,

Hopefully you found the illustrated article on the Factory Tool Kit at 
(would you believe):

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-toolkit.asp

If you can't see it in the menu's, then the SEARCH tool will find it for 
you, at the top of every menu (Magnifying Glass) or:

http://www.tigersunited.com/search.asp

These are pictures of my toolkit, and you are welcome to come over and 
look at it.  These tools were used by a great many British Cars, and 
NONE of them are "Whitworth" - not even the "adjustable King Dick" or 
the Pliers and screwdriver.

Mark Rense (and others) wrote "A Handy Home Restorer's Guide to Workshop 
Tools", for the "professionals" unfamiliar with the use of this tool set.

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/RenseShopTools/rt-RenseShopTools.asp



Steve
B9472289

___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



sralsten at ca.rr.com wrote:
> My car came with no jack and no tools. I've been putting this
> stuff together as I find them. As far as the tool kit
> I've been using Norm's suggestion of the pictures at 
>
> http://www.classictiger.com/techtips/techtips.html
>
> I have most of a kit now and just ran across a grease gun
> claimed to be correct for Alpines and Tigers but the above
> link has no picture or even mention of a grease gun as part
> of a factory tool kit. Whats gives ? Was a grease gun in the kit
> and anyone have a picture if it was ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve R
> B9473720

From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Fri Feb 13 15:14:41 2009
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:14:41 EST
Subject: [Tigers] MINX
Message-ID: <d1a.3970b0f5.36c74ad1@aol.com>

8 HRS left. 
_http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA
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From prbreuhan at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 13 15:34:36 2009
From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:34:36 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] MINX
In-Reply-To: <d1a.3970b0f5.36c74ad1@aol.com>
References: <d1a.3970b0f5.36c74ad1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-W4370EDE0F39619858B953FAAB80@phx.gbl>

Wow, the description is very enlightening.


Quote: "The car was bought brand new by the original owner"


I hope the original owner isn't alive to see what the second owner did to his
car!


Quote: "He parked it and never drove the car...The car has been in the park
for 10 years in the back yard. I am the second owner."

It would be a different family car.

Paul





----------------------------------------
> From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com
> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:14:41 -0500
> To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> Subject: [Tigers] MINX
>
> 8 HRS left.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA
X:IT&item=180327449181
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From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Fri Feb 13 15:36:45 2009
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:36:45 EST
Subject: [Tigers] MINX
Message-ID: <d50.426c1414.36c74ffd@aol.com>

Ya never know about these British car nuts out there. This is an  interesting
site.


In a message dated 2/13/2009 2:34:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
prbreuhan at hotmail.com writes:


Wow,  the description is very enlightening.


Quote: "The car was bought  brand new by the original owner"


I hope the original owner isn't  alive to see what the second owner did to
his car!


Quote: "He  parked it and never drove the car...The car has been in the park
for 10 years  in the back yard. I am the second owner."

It would be a different  family  car.

Paul





----------------------------------------
>  From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com
> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:14:41 -0500
>  To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> Subject: [Tigers] MINX
>
> 8 HRS  left.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA
X
:IT&item=180327449181
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From modtiger at comcast.net  Fri Feb 13 15:24:07 2009
From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:24:07 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Remote Filter Part Repair?
In-Reply-To: <832607.88529.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <832607.88529.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20090213141200.025652e8@comcast.net>

At 07:19 AM 2/13/2009, you wrote:
>Bill- If I loan you one, perhaps yours can be tigged welded up, 
>drilled and retapped. Im hoping they have pipe threads but if it 
>doestnt, perhaps it can be tapped to pipe threads and an adaptor put 
>on the short hose. Ive never inspected the threads and for all I 
>know they are British. I do have one I am glad to loan you but I 
>have use for it down the road- providing I live that long, so I dont 
>want to sell it. Im thinking that with a good one you might find a 
>shop that can repair yours. Tom Hall could make you one, I have no 
>doubt but it might not be worth the cost. Toms work is above 
>reproach but his time is limited. He also may be the one 
>machinest/welder that could repair your part.
>TOM, what are your thougts on the hose threads in the oil filter 
>top- I believe thats the return line.

I've attempted the repair of the inverted flair on this 
casting.  Typically I bore the area oversize, and weld in an 
insert.  The insert is made from aluminum and is threaded through 
with the straight threads.  Then it's counterbored to allow the 
insertion of the cone section.  Welded at the back, inserted from the 
front and welded to the casting.  The concept is fine but the process 
is very difficult.  A lot of work and not always successful because 
of the different alloys make welding very difficult and prone to 
cracking.  Much easier to use a remote system that doesn't use this 
rare OEM piece.  That's why it's "ModTiger".  This oil filter system 
was the first hardware I replaced in 1966.


Tom Hall
ModTiger Engineering LLC
www.tigerengineering.net

From JParent4 at tampabay.rr.com  Fri Feb 13 16:58:28 2009
From: JParent4 at tampabay.rr.com (Jim Parent)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:58:28 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger windshields
In-Reply-To: <d50.426c1414.36c74ffd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c98e36$f77555d0$c200a8c0@T60>

Anyone have a good source of Tiger (Mk1) windshields in the east; Florida?

Jim

B9470139

From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Fri Feb 13 17:11:57 2009
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:11:57 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger windshields
Message-ID: <c67.4a70fc77.36c7664d@aol.com>

PILKINGTON GLASS SEARCH  1-800-848-1351   They are in Ohio.  SS has then in 
their cat as does Vic Brit.
 
B382002560

 
 
In a message dated 2/13/2009 3:58:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
JParent4 at tampabay.rr.com writes:

Anyone  have a good source of Tiger (Mk1) windshields in the east;  Florida?

Jim

B9470139
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From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Fri Feb 13 19:15:24 2009
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:15:24 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] [off topic]Reasons I love Ebay
Message-ID: <20090214021524.L0VIK.22679.root@cdptpa-web02-z02>

1) I get loads of offers like this presented to me as "Good Stuff from Sunbeam"

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-1974-Sunbeam-Mixmaster-Vista-225-watts-Mixer_W0QQitemZ180327376745QQcategoryZ20679QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3907.m221QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DDLSKWL%26its%3DK%26itu%3DMBMS%252BUCK%26otn%3D50%26ps%3D48

2) I can no longer pay with PayPal connected to my credit card. I have to
give PayPal my bank accounts or get the PayPal credit card and give up the
mileage I get with my credit card. It seems Paypal has a spending limit
that they will let you use unless you let them access your bank accounts.
Not much chance I'm going to do that.

Steve

From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Fri Feb 13 19:17:39 2009
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:17:39 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] [off topic]Reasons I love Ebay
Message-ID: <20090214021739.UQWL3.22697.root@cdptpa-web02-z02>

1) I get loads of offers like this presented to me as "Good Stuff from Sunbeam"

http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-1974-Sunbeam-Mixmaster-Vista-225-watts-Mixer_W0QQitemZ180327376745QQcategoryZ20679QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3907.m221QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DDLSKWL%26its%3DK%26itu%3DMBMS%252BUCK%26otn%3D50%26ps%3D48

2) I can no longer pay with PayPal connected to my credit card. I have to
give PayPal my bank accounts or get the PayPal credit card and give up the
mileage I get with my credit card. It seems Paypal has a spending limit
that they will let you use unless you let them access your bank accounts.
Not much chance I'm going to do that.

Steve

From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 13 17:58:09 2009
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:58:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] MINX
Message-ID: <513327.32805.qm@web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Greetings,
     I owned a Minx and a series II Morris in the 60's..My Minx was such a
lovely car..nimble, powerful, good city car, hell for stout in the
county..This one, however, may not be the same...Given a good $4000
restoration, it would probably make a pretty good fun car though
zym

The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

--- On Fri, 2/13/09, AAAGLASSS at aol.com <AAAGLASSS at aol.com> wrote:


From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com <AAAGLASSS at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] MINX
To: prbreuhan at hotmail.com, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 5:36 PM


Ya never know about these British car nuts out there. This is an  interesting
site.


In a message dated 2/13/2009 2:34:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
prbreuhan at hotmail.com writes:


Wow,  the description is very enlightening.


Quote: "The car was bought  brand new by the original owner"


I hope the original owner isn't  alive to see what the second owner did to
his car!


Quote: "He  parked it and never drove the car...The car has been in the park
for 10 years  in the back yard. I am the second owner."

It would be a different  family  car.

Paul





----------------------------------------
>  From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com
> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:14:41 -0500
>  To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> Subject: [Tigers] MINX
>
> 8 HRS  left.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA
X
:IT&item=180327449181
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From cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net  Fri Feb 13 18:56:02 2009
From: cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net (Chris Richards)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:56:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Remote Filter Part Repair Alternative
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20090213141200.025652e8@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <963916.25945.qm@web83201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Tom, et all-  If he is running stock exhaust manifolds he might like the Ford
Motorsport angle adapter...I sure like em...
 
http://www.cjrichards.org/1157extra.html
 

Tom Hall
ModTiger Engineering

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Fri Feb 13 19:36:13 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:36:13 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Remote Filter Part Repair Alternative
In-Reply-To: <963916.25945.qm@web83201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <963916.25945.qm@web83201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49962E1D.3090100@SoCal.rr.com>

I absolutely agree with Tom.  You have to get the angled "MOTORSPORT" 
version, and not the right angle Truck one.

Pics and Article:

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/Dealer_Accessories/mp-FilterAdapter1.asp


___
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Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



Chris Richards wrote:
> Tom, et all-  If he is running stock exhaust manifolds he might like the Ford
> Motorsport angle adapter...I sure like em...
>  
> http://www.cjrichards.org/1157extra.html
>  
>
> Tom Hall
> ModTiger Engineering

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Fri Feb 13 20:08:58 2009
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (J. Nichols)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:08:58 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger tool kit ** On The Look Out For Tommy Bar
Message-ID: <01dc01c98e51$94855130$6401a8c0@your03667082de>

Anyone out there have a Tommy Bar they don't want.  I'm still looking.


                                    Jeff

From srwick at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 13 21:17:57 2009
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:17:57 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] [off topic]Reasons I love Ebay
In-Reply-To: <20090214021739.UQWL3.22697.root@cdptpa-web02-z02>
References: <20090214021739.UQWL3.22697.root@cdptpa-web02-z02>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DS5B4968A4C1CA7D6003B91D8B90@phx.gbl>

I opened a checking account at a different bank than my normal one. I only put
money in the account when I'm going to buy something on the internet or with
Paypal, and then only enough to cover what I'm getting. If someone steal my
info, they'll only get $5.00.

Steve (in N. Idaho)
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: sralsten at ca.rr.com<mailto:sralsten at ca.rr.com>
  To: Tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:Tigers at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 6:17 PM
  Subject: [Tigers] [off topic]Reasons I love Ebay


  1) I get loads of offers like this presented to me as "Good Stuff from
Sunbeam"

  http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-1974-Sunbeam-Mixmaster-Vista-225-watts-Mixer_W0
QQitemZ180327376745QQcategoryZ20679QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3907.m221QQ_trkpa
rmsZalgo%3DDLSKWL%26its%3DK%26itu%3DMBMS%252BUCK%26otn%3D50%26ps%3D48<http://
cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-1974-Sunbeam-Mixmaster-Vista-225-watts-Mixer_W0QQitemZ18
0327376745QQcategoryZ20679QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3907.m221QQ_trkparmsZalgo%
3DDLSKWL%26its%3DK%26itu%3DMBMS%252BUCK%26otn%3D50%26ps%3D48>

  2) I can no longer pay with PayPal connected to my credit card. I have to
  give PayPal my bank accounts or get the PayPal credit card and give up the
  mileage I get with my credit card. It seems Paypal has a spending limit
  that they will let you use unless you let them access your bank accounts.
  Not much chance I'm going to do that.

  Steve
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From awtiger at cox.net  Fri Feb 13 21:27:25 2009
From: awtiger at cox.net (Andy Walker)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:27:25 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] [off topic]Reasons I love Ebay
In-Reply-To: <20090214021524.L0VIK.22679.root@cdptpa-web02-z02>
References: <20090214021524.L0VIK.22679.root@cdptpa-web02-z02>
Message-ID: <390CFE5BB3534E8F8AD4C1B712F114D0@awtigerPC>

Steve:

PayPal did the same thing to me; either I take out their credit card or I 
have to give them my bank account info and continue using the card of my 
choice.  As you intimated, there's no way in hell I'm going to give them my 
bank account info.  I really leaned on the chick I was talking to, and when 
I mentioned the word "extortion," she admitted that even though I would have 
a PayPal credit card, I could still use my regular car just like I had been 
doing.  It seems that when you log into PayPal, before you confirm your 
payment, you can click on "Other Funding Options" and direct the charge back 
to the card of your choice.

So, with that info in hand, I took their credit card (they were anxious to 
give it to me and asked me no personal questions or wanted any sensitive 
info).  Now, whenever I use PayPal, I redirect the charges to my Discover 
card as I always did and that way I'm still adding to my "cash back" deal 
with Discover.  As for PayPal, screw 'em to the ground!!!!  If they want to 
extort our business, the least we can do is take their bait just to appease 
them and then use the crap out of 'em; and that's exactly what I'm doing.  I 
have their card but it's in my nightstand drawer just gathering dust.  Screw 
'em!!!

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
B9006857LRX

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <sralsten at ca.rr.com>
To: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:15 PM
Subject: [Tigers] [off topic]Reasons I love Ebay


> 1) I get loads of offers like this presented to me as "Good Stuff from 
> Sunbeam"
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-1974-Sunbeam-Mixmaster-Vista-225-watts-Mixer_W0QQitemZ180327376745QQcategoryZ20679QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3907.m221QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DDLSKWL%26its%3DK%26itu%3DMBMS%252BUCK%26otn%3D50%26ps%3D48
>
> 2) I can no longer pay with PayPal connected to my credit card. I have to
> give PayPal my bank accounts or get the PayPal credit card and give up the
> mileage I get with my credit card. It seems Paypal has a spending limit
> that they will let you use unless you let them access your bank accounts.
> Not much chance I'm going to do that.
>
> Steve
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From Carmods at aol.com  Sat Feb 14 07:32:34 2009
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 09:32:34 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger windshields
Message-ID: <ca1.4e501aef.36c83002@aol.com>

J Parent  writes:

Anyone  have a good source of Tiger (Mk1) windshields in the east;  Florida?



Try Russ Eshelman   _RussE at Firstva.com_ (mailto:RussE at Firstva.com)   . He 
lives in  Bumpass Virginia.
 
John Logan
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From rcsphx1 at cox.net  Sat Feb 14 07:59:58 2009
From: rcsphx1 at cox.net (Richard)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 07:59:58 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] fulcrum pin
Message-ID: <83401F5A5FD14FF8AED0F5E21278EE1D@D4TDG641>

With all the discussion of the fulcrum pins, a few questions come to mind.  My
stock MKII has 39000 mile on it, still the 13 inch, no modifications, and as
far as I know has never been raced, autocrossed or anything.  First question,
is my risk of fulcrum pin failure as great as, say, a car with 100000 miles,
or one that has been raced.  Next, how do you check the fulcrum pins? Do they
have to be removed, magnafluxed etc.  Or can they, somehow, be inspected on
the car.  Where and what have you look for?

thanks
Richard

From GRMTim at aol.com  Sat Feb 14 08:00:41 2009
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 10:00:41 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger windshields
Message-ID: <cb7.49a535b4.36c83699@aol.com>

I got mine from Victoria British. It fit perfect, looked good and was
reasonably priced.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040
In a message dated 2/14/09 9:33:49 AM, Carmods at aol.com writes:


> J Parent  writes:
>
> Anyone  have a good source of Tiger (Mk1) windshields in the east; 
Florida?
>
>
>
> Try Russ Eshelman   _RussE at Firstva.com_ (mailto:RussE at Firstva.com)   . He
> lives in  Bumpass Virginia.
>
> John Logan
> **************Nothing says I love you like flowers! Find a florist near you
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From DJoh797014 at aol.com  Sat Feb 14 08:14:49 2009
From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 10:14:49 EST
Subject: [Tigers] fulcrum pin
Message-ID: <be7.46da857f.36c839e9@aol.com>

Richard
 
I have never heard of fulcrum pin problems with the big Healy.
Try contacting the national club.
 
The fulcrum pin issues we have been discussing are specific
to the Tiger but not unique to the Tiger.  There is no way to
check the fulcrum pins without removing them, magnafuxing,
and examining with an electron microscope.  The cost of
this may exceed the cost of new pins.  Why not just replace
the with better pins.
 
With my broken pin you can see where the crack started
and slowly progressed through the pin. Classic chevron ridges
mark where the cracking progressed through the years
until the stress finally broke the pin.  That area of the pin
showed the transformation to hematite, common to such
failures.  The broke cracked almost 1/3 of the way before
it failed completely.
 
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From rcsphx1 at cox.net  Sat Feb 14 11:57:01 2009
From: rcsphx1 at cox.net (Richard)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:57:01 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] expansion tank
Message-ID: <54860FA1D03D4155BF695FCA9454C1BC@D4TDG641>

is there any problem with power coating the radiator expansion tank?

Thanks

From stubrennan at comcast.net  Sat Feb 14 14:37:17 2009
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:37:17 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] expansion tank
In-Reply-To: <54860FA1D03D4155BF695FCA9454C1BC@D4TDG641>
Message-ID: <000001c98eec$68e47b00$6601a8c0@Brennan>

IIRC, you have to cook it at a higher temperature than the melt point of
the solder that holds the pieces together.  

Stu

From scattt at verizon.net  Sat Feb 14 18:05:53 2009
From: scattt at verizon.net (Scattt)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 20:05:53 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] expansion tank
References: <54860FA1D03D4155BF695FCA9454C1BC@D4TDG641>
Message-ID: <04329B72313A4090A2F1F2888408401D@NicksDellPC>

Yes there is! The temperature needed to cure the powder coating will melt 
the solder holding the thing together. It will come out in 5 pieces. Ask me 
how I know.
Nick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard" <rcsphx1 at cox.net>
To: "Tiger List" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:57 PM
Subject: [Tigers] expansion tank


> is there any problem with power coating the radiator expansion tank

From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Sat Feb 14 18:38:42 2009
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 20:38:42 EST
Subject: [Tigers] expansion tank
Message-ID: <d13.237c2547.36c8cc22@aol.com>

How about the gas tanks. I powder coating recommended for them?
 
 
In a message dated 2/14/2009 5:11:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
scattt at verizon.net writes:

Yes  there is! The temperature needed to cure the powder coating will melt 
the  solder holding the thing together. It will come out in 5 pieces. Ask me  
how I know.
Nick

----- Original Message ----- 
From:  "Richard" <rcsphx1 at cox.net>
To: "Tiger List"  <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:57  PM
Subject: [Tigers] expansion tank


> is there any problem  with power coating the radiator expansion  tank
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From Tigerman67 at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 15 10:10:37 2009
From: Tigerman67 at hotmail.com (Tiger Man)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 10:10:37 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] trailering ideas for SUNI
Message-ID: <BAY119-DAV213893B0C80519200A727C1B60@phx.gbl>

Hey there,

I thought I would see if anyone has any good recommendations for trailering to
SUNI.  I only live about 500 miles away, but due to an oil leak, I don't feel
real comfortable driving all the way there and back, plus the driving while
there.

Anyone have any recommendations for trailering.  Is it easiest to just rent a
car trailer from uhaul for a 'local' rental for a week, and will they do
that?

I would think that for the people that live on the two coasts, that getting
together and seeing if you can rent a complete auto trailer from one of the
big auto shipping firms might be attractive and inexpensive way to get your
cars to Rapid city, but I think with only living 500 miles away, I can
probably just trailer myself, if I can find a trailer.

Anyway, just wanted to ping the group and see if they had any brilliant ideas
on where to get a trailer for a week.

Thanks,
Steve

From Rollright at aol.com  Sun Feb 15 10:20:43 2009
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:20:43 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Fuel tank float/sending unit
Message-ID: <d5f.438834f5.36c9a8eb@aol.com>

Hello,
 
I looked through the service manual and failed to find reference to the  fuel 
tank float/sending unit.
 
Is is covered in the manual? If so, where?
 
Thanks,
 
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Feb 15 10:55:59 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:55:59 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] trailering ideas for SUNI
In-Reply-To: <BAY119-DAV213893B0C80519200A727C1B60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <439921E891584D209E0BD93F3729438A@ronpc1>

Steve
	An oil leak is usually very fixable especially with 4 months lead
time.

As for the trailer; talk to your local rental place about options for this
trip.   You can probably trailer there and drop off the trailer at a Rapid
City office and reserve one or the same trailer for the return trip and save
some dollars.   That way you are not responsible for storing or parking the
trailer unattended.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Tiger Man
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:11 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] trailering ideas for SUNI


Hey there,

I thought I would see if anyone has any good recommendations for trailering
to SUNI.  I only live about 500 miles away, but due to an oil leak, I don't
feel real comfortable driving all the way there and back, plus the driving
while there.

Anyone have any recommendations for trailering.  Is it easiest to just rent
a car trailer from uhaul for a 'local' rental for a week, and will they do
that?

I would think that for the people that live on the two coasts, that getting
together and seeing if you can rent a complete auto trailer from one of the
big auto shipping firms might be attractive and inexpensive way to get your
cars to Rapid city, but I think with only living 500 miles away, I can
probably just trailer myself, if I can find a trailer.

Anyway, just wanted to ping the group and see if they had any brilliant
ideas on where to get a trailer for a week.

Thanks,
Steve
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Feb 15 11:01:23 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:01:23 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fuel tank float/sending unit
In-Reply-To: <d5f.438834f5.36c9a8eb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0178A84E8218499A96F885D94B0891C6@ronpc1>

Jim
	What there is in the manual is this; Section N, Instruments, page 30


http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmN30.asp

Ron Fraser

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On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:21 PM
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Tigers] Fuel tank float/sending unit


Hello,

I looked through the service manual and failed to find reference to the
fuel
tank float/sending unit.

Is is covered in the manual? If so, where?

Thanks,

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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Sun Feb 15 15:33:09 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 14:33:09 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Great App
Message-ID: <49989825.4040700@SoCal.rr.com>

Tigers,

I just downloaded a free app for the "Firefox" free browser (really 
good, if you haven't tried it).
If you don't have "Firefox" you can get it at 
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/

This free app is called "Cool Previews". When you are looking at a web 
page with the browser that has "hot links" to other sites you do NOT 
have to link to the site to see what it is.  As your cursor goes by the 
usually underscored text "hot link" it will give you an option of 
getting a peak at the contents without having to go to the site. 

I find this very handy, and it you already have the Free Firefox 
browser, just link to This Site:

 http://www.coolpreviews.com/welcome/welcome_cp_ff.php 
<http://www.coolpreviews.com/welcome/welcome_cp_ff.php>

To get it.  No need to leave the page your on to see what is "linked".

P.S.  I like the Mozilla email program, as well, and it imports all the  
stuff from your current browser.

 http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/products/thunderbird/

Steve

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From geowiz.sgy at cox.net  Sun Feb 15 19:33:24 2009
From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:33:24 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Spar Urethane
Message-ID: <C4FB7EEF37FA4EDD9660B7ABE3070045@JEPHome>

I'm using Helmsman Spar Urethane to refinish my dash.  Can it be rubbed down
to remove imperfections and still retain the gloss?  If so, what do I use?
Thanks.

Jim Pickard
B9473298 ('65 Tiger)
AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold
2003 Mini Cooper
Lafayette, LA

From robin02 at mindspring.com  Sun Feb 15 21:50:43 2009
From: robin02 at mindspring.com (Robin Young)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:50:43 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Spar Urethane
In-Reply-To: <C4FB7EEF37FA4EDD9660B7ABE3070045@JEPHome>
References: <C4FB7EEF37FA4EDD9660B7ABE3070045@JEPHome>
Message-ID: <E0D8479332B2480EAD099075C86628C1@RobinLaptop>

Jim, if the product you are using is the  min-wax line, it is what I used.
I too had imperfection problems and it was the eleventh coat that was
satisfactory and laid down with any consistency.  Just decide while tacky
and there is no need to sand to add a coat.  It has been four years and it
still looks newly refinished. Robin 

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 16 00:40:44 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:40:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] expansion tank
Message-ID: <285812.8424.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Ive mentioned this previously but its worth repeatining in my opinion. Prior to repainting or reworking the expansion tank, you might want to check to see what material was used in its build. I have a few tanks but one is brass. It is work and it isnt as prety as chrom BUT when I polish it up, it looks really good onder the hood- much better than paint. Again, not all are brass and it does require some brasson and elbow grease. Im curious IF other owners have brass tanks too or if they even know???
TtT

From tsmit at shaw.ca  Mon Feb 16 09:54:19 2009
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:54:19 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] expansion tank
In-Reply-To: <285812.8424.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <285812.8424.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49999A3B.3040508@shaw.ca>

Tony,
As far as I know all the original tanks are brass and they're soldered 
together, which makes them easy to repair but if you want a polished 
brass finish then you have to make sure that there isn't solder or flux 
residue anyplace.

Cheers,
Theo

Tony Somebody wrote:
> Ive mentioned this previously but its worth repeatining in my opinion. Prior to repainting or reworking the expansion tank, you might want to check to see what material was used in its build. I have a few tanks but one is brass. It is work and it isnt as prety as chrom BUT when I polish it up, it looks really good onder the hood- much better than paint. Again, not all are brass and it does require some brasson and elbow grease. Im curious IF other owners have brass tanks too or if they even know???
> TtT
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From stubrennan at comcast.net  Mon Feb 16 09:50:19 2009
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (stubrennan at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:50:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] expansion tank
In-Reply-To: <285812.8424.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1493665793.812061234803019227.JavaMail.root@sz0158a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

I saw a polished brass tank in a Tiger once.B  The tank itself looked cool,
but visually it didn't seem to fit with the rest of the engine compartment,
because there was no other polished brass to be seen.B  It looked like it was
stolen off a curved dash Olds or something.B  Painted or chromed seem to fit
much better.



Just my opinion.



Stu

From jim at island.net  Mon Feb 16 10:21:40 2009
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:21:40 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Anderson Accurate Ackerman Angle kit
In-Reply-To: <926350.32659.qm@web83206.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001c9905b$08730870$4101a8c0@JIMPC>

Before this topic fades to oblivion for another 10 years I'd really like to
know more of the story... and wonder if anyone else actually has one they
might consider parting with ?
 A couple of gracious 'listers' have offered to send me some info by snail
mail ( thanks, guys ) but I'm still perplexed as to what it actually looks
like.
Does anyone have any pics handy that they could e-mail...??

Curious in Canada...

Jim 
B38200446

From DJoh797014 at aol.com  Mon Feb 16 19:22:56 2009
From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:22:56 EST
Subject: [Tigers] expansion tank
Message-ID: <cf5.486dbb36.36cb7980@aol.com>

B382002668 was brass under the ratty back paint.
Shines very nicely but upkeep is required.
 
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 16 21:50:03 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:50:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] expansion tank
Message-ID: <779734.628.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It seems that every member that has responded has their tank BRASSOed up and
Thanks to the members who included pics. It was mentioned by a couple guys
that after polishing the tank they clear coated it. It isnt as nice as chrome
as someone mentioned BUT w/ some elbow grease it does polish up very nice and
looks a ton better than paint- at least myself and those who sent pics agree.
Someone else mentioned that ALL tanks are brass. So, I either have primer or
paint I didnt go thru or a tank and maybe two that I didnt think where brass.
I hope they are. I will find out the next time Im searching for a part and
stumble across a tank.
 Only 43 days until April 1st. Winter is almost over- Sunbeam time is drawing
closer.
Cheers, TonytheTiger

From Drmoonstone at aol.com  Mon Feb 16 21:52:32 2009
From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 23:52:32 EST
Subject: [Tigers] expansion tank
Message-ID: <d01.4b55bb9c.36cb9c90@aol.com>

Powder coating is cooked at 415 degrees or higher. The tank won't surive in 
one piece.

Moonstone


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From fabbro at shaw.ca  Mon Feb 16 22:07:09 2009
From: fabbro at shaw.ca (Fabbro)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:07:09 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Front Shock selection?
Message-ID: <BA96B43AB69245A1BC03BC4B9DB1C0D9@fabbro>

Hi All
 
 I'm working on a 1965 Tiger with stock suspension.  When I purchased
the car to restore it came with 4 new rear Koni shocks Part # 82-1348 in
a box. The car had mounted on the front section Koni 82-1347 shocks but
need to be replaced. Can some one throw a manufactures name and part
number for front shocks that would fit the cars weight and spring rate.
It will be a daily driver for the wife so keeping it to the stock ride
feel would be preferred. 
 
Thanks
Kim 

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Feb 16 22:29:28 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:29:28 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Front Shock selection?
In-Reply-To: <BA96B43AB69245A1BC03BC4B9DB1C0D9@fabbro>
References: <BA96B43AB69245A1BC03BC4B9DB1C0D9@fabbro>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0902162129o55779a6byb9703f9cf98171db@mail.gmail.com>

I think CAT has some edelbrocks that were done for the tiger at a good
price. Contact their spares department. Otherwise use Spax or Konis from the
sunbeam suppliers

2009/2/17 Fabbro <fabbro at shaw.ca>

> Hi All
>
>  I'm working on a 1965 Tiger with stock suspension.  When I purchased
> the car to restore it came with 4 new rear Koni shocks Part # 82-1348 in
> a box. The car had mounted on the front section Koni 82-1347 shocks but
> need to be replaced. Can some one throw a manufactures name and part
> number for front shocks that would fit the cars weight and spring rate.
> It will be a daily driver for the wife so keeping it to the stock ride
> feel would be preferred.
>
> Thanks
> Kim
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From MWood24020 at aol.com  Mon Feb 16 22:55:58 2009
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 00:55:58 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Front Shock selection?
Message-ID: <c97.39712d53.36cbab6e@aol.com>

I'm not sure we can do better than the Koni Reds for off the  shelf dampers 
for the Tiger...you can get them from Sunbeam Specialities or  direct from 
Koni. You also might contact Koni about rebuilding or warranty  replacement on the 
82-1347's you have...I had frozen up rear Konis when I got my  Tiger and Koni 
replaced them for no cost. If you keep the Konis on full soft in  the back 
and just a bit more rebound in front (like, maybe 1/2 turn or so),  you'll have 
good damping and a ride that is better than stock on lower quality  shocks. 
The Edelbrock "IAS" valving is marketing hype and crap...I've seen  
force/velocity dyno plots of Edelbrock's and it is just nonsensical. I've never  seen Spax 
dyno tested and have never seen them used by anyone in  either the road 
racing I used to do or the Autocross that I currently do...not  saying they aren't 
great shocks, I just don't have any experience with 'em to  have an opinion
 
Mike
 
In a message dated 2/16/2009 9:30:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
michael.s.king at gmail.com writes:
 
I think  CAT has some edelbrocks that were done for the tiger at a good
price.  Contact their spares department. Otherwise use Spax or Konis from  the
sunbeam suppliers

2009/2/17 Fabbro  <fabbro at shaw.ca>

> Hi All
>
>  I'm working on  a 1965 Tiger with stock suspension.  When I purchased
> the car to  restore it came with 4 new rear Koni shocks Part # 82-1348 in
> a box.  The car had mounted on the front section Koni 82-1347 shocks but
> need  to be replaced. Can some one throw a manufactures name and part
> number  for front shocks that would fit the cars weight and spring rate.
> It  will be a daily driver for the wife so keeping it to the stock ride
>  feel would be preferred.
>
> Thanks
> Kim
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From larryall at pacbell.net  Tue Feb 17 08:49:35 2009
From: larryall at pacbell.net (larryall at pacbell.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 07:49:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Expansion Tank
Message-ID: <208914.48902.qm@web83004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Recently I checked the fluid level in the expansion tank.  When I put the cap
back on, the cap did not come to a stop.  It turned until the 'ears' of the
cap came off of the ramp flange.
Is there supposed to be a stop at the end of the ramp flange?  I don't know if
mine wore off or broke off but I am sure that I used to be able to turn the
cap on tight and have it hit a stop.
 
Please advise.

From stubrennan at comcast.net  Tue Feb 17 09:34:23 2009
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (stubrennan at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:34:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Expansion Tank
In-Reply-To: <208914.48902.qm@web83004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <653309911.1196811234888463333.JavaMail.root@sz0158a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Yes, the should be a stop at the end of the ramp.B B I guess you've been
checking the fluid level too often or making it way too tight when you put the
cap back on.B B  ;-)))



Stu

From jteepen at usatoday.com  Tue Feb 17 10:19:46 2009
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:19:46 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Front Shock selection?
In-Reply-To: <c97.39712d53.36cbab6e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <22D6EDA3E0A9E3498F3C3FC3697DCE34037F351A@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com>

 Mike:

I am curious where you saw the force/velocity dyno plots regarding the
Edelbrock IAS shocks for Tigers.  Or was this for another Edelbrock IAS
application?  CAT has been selling these shocks for about eight years now and
have had very positive feedback.  Do you have personal experience with these
shocks?  If so, did you use them for a street car or a autocross/race car?

To the best of my knowledge these shocks are not intended to be, nor promoted
as, a competition shock, but are a good choice for street cars with occasional
forays onto the autocross course.

Jere

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of MWood24020 at aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 9:56 PM
To: michael.s.king at gmail.com; fabbro at shaw.ca
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Front Shock selection?

I'm not sure we can do better than the Koni Reds for off the  shelf dampers
for the Tiger...you can get them from Sunbeam Specialities or  direct from
Koni. You also might contact Koni about rebuilding or warranty  replacement on
the 82-1347's you have...I had frozen up rear Konis when I got my  Tiger and
Koni replaced them for no cost. If you keep the Konis on full soft in  the
back and just a bit more rebound in front (like, maybe 1/2 turn or so),
you'll have good damping and a ride that is better than stock on lower quality
shocks.
The Edelbrock "IAS" valving is marketing hype and crap...I've seen
force/velocity dyno plots of Edelbrock's and it is just nonsensical. I've
never  seen Spax dyno tested and have never seen them used by anyone in
either the road racing I used to do or the Autocross that I currently do...not
saying they aren't great shocks, I just don't have any experience with 'em to
have an opinion

Mike

In a message dated 2/16/2009 9:30:14 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
michael.s.king at gmail.com writes:

I think  CAT has some edelbrocks that were done for the tiger at a good price.
Contact their spares department. Otherwise use Spax or Konis from  the sunbeam
suppliers

2009/2/17 Fabbro  <fabbro at shaw.ca>

> Hi All
>
>  I'm working on  a 1965 Tiger with stock suspension.  When I purchased
> the car to  restore it came with 4 new rear Koni shocks Part # 82-1348
> in a box.  The car had mounted on the front section Koni 82-1347
> shocks but need  to be replaced. Can some one throw a manufactures
> name and part number  for front shocks that would fit the cars weight and
spring rate.
> It  will be a daily driver for the wife so keeping it to the stock
> ride  feel would be preferred.
>
> Thanks
> Kim
>  _______________________________________________
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>
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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Tue Feb 17 11:48:11 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 10:48:11 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] expansion tank
In-Reply-To: <285812.8424.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <285812.8424.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <499B066B.8000700@SoCal.rr.com>

Tony,

In the early 60's I went to the Palm Springs Road Races, and stopped by 
a Concours. There was a very pretty Jag XK 120, like I had owned, with 
the hood up.  A great deal of time and effort went into making the 
engine compartment like a jewel box.

He had even stripped the black paint off the radiator, and polished the 
tanks.  I was beautiful.

However, there is a reason that manufacturers use a black finish on hot 
surfaces.  That is "thermal radiative emissivity".  The Jag was designed 
for the cool weather of England, in those days, and had a bad habit of 
overheating in our climate.  That's why the Jag owner complained of 
overheating.

It is pretty, but not helpful.

A magnet tells me my expansion tank is brass, and the straps are steel.

Steve

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Tony Somebody wrote:
> Ive mentioned this previously but its worth repeatining in my opinion. Prior to repainting or reworking the expansion tank, you might want to check to see what material was used in its build. I have a few tanks but one is brass. It is work and it isnt as prety as chrom BUT when I polish it up, it looks really good onder the hood- much better than paint. Again, not all are brass and it does require some brasson and elbow grease. Im curious IF other owners have brass tanks too or if they even know???
> TtT

From MWood24020 at aol.com  Tue Feb 17 12:22:34 2009
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 14:22:34 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Front Shock selection?
Message-ID: <d57.1b38b2b3.36cc687a@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/17/2009 9:20:10 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
jteepen at usatoday.com writes:

I am  curious where you saw the force/velocity dyno plots regarding the 
Edelbrock  IAS shocks for Tigers.  Or was this for another Edelbrock IAS  
application?  CAT has been selling these shocks for about eight years now  and have had 
very positive feedback.  Do you have personal experience  with these shocks?  
If so, did you use them for a street car or a  autocross/race car?

To the best of my knowledge these shocks are not  intended to be, nor 
promoted as, a competition shock, but are a good choice  for street cars with 
occasional forays onto the autocross  course.







The shocks/struts which I saw dyno'ed were for a Fox Mustang application  and 
were run on my friend's SPA shock dyno. These were the IAS "reds" and  are 
marketed as performance shocks. The blow off as the Ricor/IAS  check valve let 
loose on rebound made no sense to me, in a true performance  application. Also, 
the shocks didn't appear to offer enough valving  to dampen the spring rate 
we needed to work with on  the Mustang. I have been made aware that a couple of 
Tigers have used the  CAT Edelbrocks in competition, however. 
 
I think my earlier comments were colored by our considering using  the shocks 
for open track/autocross, after comparing what type of damping  the shocks 
provided relative to what our spring package required. Regardless,  I do think 
the check valve effect on rebound is a gimmicky way to deal  with low 
speed/high speed digression, but what do I know, Monroe has sold a ton  of "Sensatracs" 
and "Reflexes", so it obviously makes people happy! I wish we  had more off 
the shelf options for the Tiger...Koni Sports (yellows) and  Bilsteins (easy to 
valve and great quality design) would be nice to have  available!!
 
Mike
 
 

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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Tue Feb 17 12:57:00 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:57:00 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Front Shock selection?
In-Reply-To: <BA96B43AB69245A1BC03BC4B9DB1C0D9@fabbro>
References: <BA96B43AB69245A1BC03BC4B9DB1C0D9@fabbro>
Message-ID: <499B168C.8030504@SoCal.rr.com>

Kim, and Tigers,

A number of years ago I felt that my '65 original Armstrong shocks were 
not "in character" for the car.  I removed (and kept) them and purchased 
a set of 2 front and 2 rear Koni adjustable shocks from Sunbeam 
Specialties.  Rick and CAT and made a combined order, and both were 
selling them.  These were especially made for the Tiger, and were 
adjustable (as well as Orange!)

I found that they performed well, as did the similar Konis I had on my 
RED TOI "Sebring", and my 356 Porsche.

They are still available, along with Spax, at Sunbeam Specialties (under 
Catalog / Shock Absorbers) for $185 each.

http://www.rootes.com/catalogindex.html

If you intend Autocross, or race competition, I am sure those 
enthusiasts have their own recommendations, but if you drive it on the 
street, you might temper the suggestions.

Steve

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Fabbro wrote:
> Hi All
>  
>  I'm working on a 1965 Tiger with stock suspension.  When I purchased
> the car to restore it came with 4 new rear Koni shocks Part # 82-1348 in
> a box. The car had mounted on the front section Koni 82-1347 shocks but
> need to be replaced. Can some one throw a manufactures name and part
> number for front shocks that would fit the cars weight and spring rate.
> It will be a daily driver for the wife so keeping it to the stock ride
> feel would be preferred. 
>  
> Thanks
> Kim 

From DJoh797014 at aol.com  Tue Feb 17 17:33:44 2009
From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:33:44 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Front Shock selection?
Message-ID: <c88.4263c271.36ccb168@aol.com>

Make your own shocks by reading my tech tip in TigersUnited.com
Remember to paint the blue to match the OEM Woodhead Monroes.
 
Dave
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From rjw at wengco.com  Wed Feb 18 05:39:41 2009
From: rjw at wengco.com (Robert J. Wanty)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:39:41 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Remote oil filter
Message-ID: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C5C020A0@weco1.wengco.com>

I have a pin size hole in the lower center steel tube and can't find the
1/2 " O.D by 0.030 thickness tube stock to fabricate a new one, does
anyone have a source or one that they wish to sell? I was going to use
copper but was told that metal fatigue might be a problem.



Bob

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From PhastPhill at aol.com  Wed Feb 18 06:16:48 2009
From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:16:48 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Front Shock selection?
Message-ID: <c5c.463c9403.36cd6440@aol.com>

I can't find the paperwork right now but the PO of my car put on Monroe  
shocks he got from NAPA. My CAT shop note gives a # 2067. A search of the  
archives should turn up this thread as we have been here  before.

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Feb 18 07:28:07 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:28:07 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Remote oil filter
In-Reply-To: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C5C020A0@weco1.wengco.com>
Message-ID: <C1E8B8088FC74A0AB62712B9B90BAF0A@ronpc1>

Bob
	A hydraulic line supply or repair shop should have 1/2" steel tube
also try a steel tube supply shop.
It might also be possible to solder or braze the hole.

Ron Fraser

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From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Robert J. Wanty
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 7:40 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Remote oil filter


I have a pin size hole in the lower center steel tube and can't find the 1/2
" O.D by 0.030 thickness tube stock to fabricate a new one, does anyone have
a source or one that they wish to sell? I was going to use copper but was
told that metal fatigue might be a problem.



Bob

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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 18 10:03:52 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:03:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Remote oil filter
Message-ID: <913444.37105.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Bob- You need to remove the hose and CLEAN it super good, inside and out. I
would start with BrakKleen as it cuts oil better than anything Ive used BUT
even starting with gasoline would be OK- just end up with Dawn dish detergent
and then dry it by blowing air thru it Its omportant to get the oil cleaned on
the inside so when the repair is made the oil doesnt bubble up thru the hole
and make it hard to adhere to. I would also wire brush it really well on a
bench grinder/wire brush. Then take it to a reputable shop and they can braze
it . A temporay fix would be a piece of inner tube/ rubber etc and a hose
clamp. BUT you dont want to do that. Its hard to find a shop that makes up the
hose using the origial tubing and get it the same length. If you dont have
headers use a short filter or the 90 degree angled filter adaptor- it works
with some headers but not all. Let us know what you did when its repaired so
others can learn from your problem.
TonytheTiger

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From BKSchonb at usi.edu  Wed Feb 18 12:13:43 2009
From: BKSchonb at usi.edu (Schonberger, Barry K)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:13:43 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] KONI Sport shocks
Message-ID: <EECCEE71E60A52439BA700CB3A3B7E6C04829DAF@emailnew.usi.edu>

If there was interest we could do a KONI sport shock run. I will explore
what a small run could cost.



Barry Schonberger

Team Tiger

teamtiger21 at aol.com

From MWood24020 at aol.com  Wed Feb 18 12:34:06 2009
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:34:06 EST
Subject: [Tigers] KONI Sport shocks
Message-ID: <cea.4ec69b8d.36cdbcae@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/18/2009 11:14:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
BKSchonb at usi.edu writes:

If there  was interest we could do a KONI sport shock run. I will explore
what a  small run could cost.





I would think, given the spring rates many of us are running, that the Koni  
Sport's valving would provide much more effective damping. Consider me  
interested!
 
Mike
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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Wed Feb 18 14:07:56 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:07:56 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] KONI Sport shocks
In-Reply-To: <EECCEE71E60A52439BA700CB3A3B7E6C04829DAF@emailnew.usi.edu>
References: <EECCEE71E60A52439BA700CB3A3B7E6C04829DAF@emailnew.usi.edu>
Message-ID: <499C78AC.1020903@SoCal.rr.com>

Barry,

Why re-invent the wheel (not that the wheel doesn't need it), when 
Sunbeam Specialties already carries them?
Although they are not inexpensive.  Maybe C.A.T. still has them.

http://www.rootes.com/

Steve

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Schonberger, Barry K wrote:
> If there was interest we could do a KONI sport shock run. I will explore
> what a small run could cost.
>
>
>
> Barry Schonberger
>
> Team Tiger
>
> teamtiger21 at aol.com

From MWood24020 at aol.com  Wed Feb 18 15:17:36 2009
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:17:36 EST
Subject: [Tigers] KONI Sport shocks
Message-ID: <cb1.3b5c9b50.36cde300@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/18/2009 1:08:50 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com writes:

Barry,

Why re-invent the wheel (not that the wheel doesn't need  it), when 
Sunbeam Specialties already carries them?
Although they are  not inexpensive.  Maybe C.A.T. still has  them.

http://www.rootes.com/

Steve



Steve, 
 
The shocks which vendors currently supply are the Koni Classic (or are they  
the Special?...not sure and it doesn't really matter for this discussion),  
generically known as the Koni "red" (even though they are more orange, as you  
pointed out). These dampers are valved for stock type spring rates and do not  
provide sufficient damping for the higher rate springs many of us run on the  
Tiger...they are marginal at a 450# rate, to say nothing of a 600# rate.
 
The Koni Sport (aka "yellow", 'cause that's what color they are...) is  
valved for higher rate springs and is seen as Koni's ots (off the shelf)  
performance shock. They also are SA (single adjustable), but most applications  are 
externally adjustable, rather than the old take off, push in and turn  adjustment 
of the reds. In most applications for four shocks, cost should be in  the 
$550-750 range. Not cheap, but if you want to run stiffer springs, which,  given 
the Tiger's poor front end geometry and motion ratio is a "good" thing for  
performance applications, they would probably represent the least expensive  
alternative.
 
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From gpointer at telusplanet.net  Wed Feb 18 19:49:07 2009
From: gpointer at telusplanet.net (Pointers)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:49:07 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] 23K kms & Mediterranean Blue for $55K
Message-ID: <002c01c9923c$a2eb1c20$4001a8c0@TIGERV8>

http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-classic-cars-1966-SUNBEAM-TIGER-W0Q
QAdIdZ107759136

23,000 kms (aka 13,000 miles)
Mediterranean Blue

Rare on both counts. Well, statistically, Mediterranean Blue was not really a
rare production, oddly, but I'd wager many/most were re-sprayed a darker blue,
as was mine.

(Plus, it's Canadian...:-)...)!

Gary.

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Wed Feb 18 19:58:56 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:58:56 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Front Shock selection?
In-Reply-To: <c68.469f0f99.36ce1601@aol.com>
References: <c68.469f0f99.36ce1601@aol.com>
Message-ID: <499CCAF0.3090600@SoCal.rr.com>

Dave,

I am sending a reply to your note to the "List" as there appears to be a 
lot of interest in this.

I went into the back of the garage and removed my original shocks (well, 
one dirty one, anyway) from the apparently "Street Use" Koni shock boxes.

It reads 1224261 "Armstrong", on my Mk I, and is date stamped "11/64".  
Since my Mk I Tiger is S/N 9462289 it corresponds.  Maybe yours was 
replaced before you got the car, I don't know, and that's what was 
used.  Heck, a few decades from, when my car passes hands, they will be 
certain it came with those "orange" Koni shocks from the factory. 

It is not itemized in the TigersUnited.com "Rootes Tiger Parts List", as 
it is an "addendum" to the Alpine Parts List, and only itemizes Tiger 
differences.



Steve

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DJoh797014 at aol.com wrote:
> Hi Steve
>  
> It was my understanding they were Armstrong woodhead shocks
> based on the decal on the shock.  Perhaps the Woodhead is
> the model shock.  But they are medium blue.
>  
> Being poor, I made my own and they wrote the tech tip.  Someday
> when I'm rich, I buy Koni's.  But for now $10 for lifetime Monroe
> is just fine for my driving.
>  
> Dave
> <http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000003>.

From j_d_johnson at earthlink.net  Thu Feb 19 00:32:48 2009
From: j_d_johnson at earthlink.net (J D Johnson)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:32:48 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Front Shock selection?
In-Reply-To: <499CCAF0.3090600@SoCal.rr.com>
References: <c68.469f0f99.36ce1601@aol.com>
  <499CCAF0.3090600@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <E1La3P1-0001d9-1i@elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Talk about rare!!!  You absolutely won't find many of those "S/N 
946... MK I Tigers.

JD

At 06:58 PM 2/18/2009, Steve Laifman wrote:
>...snip..Since my Mk I Tiger is S/N 9462289 it corresponds. ..snip..


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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Thu Feb 19 08:11:35 2009
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:11:35 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] 23K kms & Mediterranean Blue for $55K
References: <002c01c9923c$a2eb1c20$4001a8c0@TIGERV8>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D1570190515C@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

This Tiger is actually located/on sale in Richmond, British Columbia...
About 600 miles from either Calgary or Edmonton. Maybe Peter MacDonald
knows of the car?

Theo

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> Sent: February 18, 2009 7:49 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] 23K kms & Mediterranean Blue for $55K
>
> http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-classic-cars-1966-SU
> NBEAM-TIGER-W0Q
> QAdIdZ107759136
>
> 23,000 kms (aka 13,000 miles)
> Mediterranean Blue
>
> Rare on both counts. Well, statistically, Mediterranean Blue
> was not really a rare production, oddly, but I'd wager
> many/most were re-sprayed a darker blue, as was mine.
>
> (Plus, it's Canadian...:-)...)!
>
> Gary.
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From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com  Thu Feb 19 08:50:32 2009
From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:50:32 EST
Subject: [Tigers] 23K kms & Mediterranean Blue for $55K
Message-ID: <c53.44965c06.36ced9c8@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/18/2009 9:50:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
gpointer at telusplanet.net writes:

http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-classic-cars-1966-SUNBEAM-TIGER-W0Q
QAdIdZ107759136



Hope that's not the parked position for the wipers.
 
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Thu Feb 19 08:52:35 2009
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:52:35 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] 23K kms & Mediterranean Blue for $55K
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Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D1570190515E@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

Maybe that's why they're letting it go cheap ;)

Theo

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> Subject: Re: [Tigers] 23K kms & Mediterranean Blue for $55K
>
> In a message dated 2/18/2009 9:50:06 PM Eastern Standard
> Time, gpointer at telusplanet.net writes:
>
> http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-classic-cars-1966-SU
> NBEAM-TIGER-W0Q
> QAdIdZ107759136
>
>
>
> Hope that's not the parked position for the wipers.
>
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From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 19 10:32:55 2009
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:32:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] 23K kms & Mediterranean Blue for $55K
Message-ID: <985074.91656.qm@web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

yeppers,
     and some pretty zippy exhaust hangers as well...
zym
 
 
 


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From: Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 23K kms & Mediterranean Blue for $55K
To: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com, gpointer at telusplanet.net, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 10:52 AM


Maybe that's why they're letting it go cheap ;)

Theo

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> Subject: Re: [Tigers] 23K kms & Mediterranean Blue for $55K
>
> In a message dated 2/18/2009 9:50:06 PM Eastern Standard
> Time, gpointer at telusplanet.net writes:
>
> http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-classic-cars-1966-SU
> NBEAM-TIGER-W0Q
> QAdIdZ107759136
>
>
>
> Hope that's not the parked position for the wipers.
>
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From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Thu Feb 19 10:52:44 2009
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:52:44 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] 23K kms & Mediterranean Blue for $55K
In-Reply-To: <985074.91656.qm@web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090219175244.4I2XC.88939.root@cdptpa-web16-z01>

Gap around boot lid is not great, neither is the difference
in gap between leading and trailing edges of passenger door.

I love that color. Had an inheritad Triumph in that color when I
was a teen and thought baby blue was not manly enough for me.
Now I'd enjoy it.

Never seen white upholstry before. That was not a factory option was it ?


Steve R
B9473720

From MWood24020 at aol.com  Thu Feb 19 10:55:44 2009
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:55:44 EST
Subject: [Tigers] 23K kms & Mediterranean Blue for $55K
Message-ID: <d2d.47f96bbb.36cef720@aol.com>

I think, looking at the pictures, there's a story here...the car has been  
restored, I'd say.
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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Thu Feb 19 11:28:58 2009
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 12:28:58 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] 23K kms & Mediterranean Blue for $55K
In-Reply-To: <d2d.47f96bbb.36cef720@aol.com>
References: <d2d.47f96bbb.36cef720@aol.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b0902191028q6fd38ed8qa29920345f9c5947@mail.gmail.com>

i love that cream interior, though.  never seen one like that.

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:55 AM, <MWood24020 at aol.com> wrote:

> I think, looking at the pictures, there's a story here...the car has been
> restored, I'd say.
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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Thu Feb 19 12:06:34 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:06:34 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Front Shock selection?
In-Reply-To: <E1La3P1-0001d9-1i@elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <c68.469f0f99.36ce1601@aol.com> <499CCAF0.3090600@SoCal.rr.com>
	<E1La3P1-0001d9-1i@elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <499DADBA.6080103@SoCal.rr.com>

Whoops!!, Thanks JD,

I was in too much of a hurry 'cause the much better half was calling me 
for dinner, and I still had grime to clean from my hands from the shock.

That should be 9472289.



Steve

___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



J D Johnson wrote:
> Talk about rare!!!  You absolutely won't find many of those "S/N 
> 946... MK I Tigers.
>
> JD
>
> At 06:58 PM 2/18/2009, Steve Laifman wrote:
>   
>> ...snip..Since my Mk I Tiger is S/N 9462289 it corresponds. ..snip..

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Thu Feb 19 15:00:12 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:00:12 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] 23K kms & Mediterranean Blue for $55K
In-Reply-To: <39a841b0902191028q6fd38ed8qa29920345f9c5947@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d2d.47f96bbb.36cef720@aol.com>
	<39a841b0902191028q6fd38ed8qa29920345f9c5947@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0902191400l64f739e0kca93493ca92d9be@mail.gmail.com>

One of the PR shots for i think Ny motor show had a MKIA with white interior
on a light coloured car.. also came with an optional tiger girl on the front
guard IIRC...

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Thu Feb 19 15:52:57 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:52:57 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Hollywood Sports Ccar logo
Message-ID: <d86d088a0902191452u7e63ef7bh9723b22e90b01e29@mail.gmail.com>

Listers,

I was playing around the other day and made this.. its a first cut, so
,little refining to do. I found a copy of a small HSC logo.. so have been
making one if peoepl want to do a window decal etc. Will have a final
version soon.

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2248686970054462410XZiJYF

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 20 09:21:30 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:21:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Rear axle shims
Message-ID: <494241.15688.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

On Epay ther are six(6) axle shims listed- of various thickneses. Does anyone know anything about why a person changing axle bearings or adding a posi trac would have need for thes shims? 
Auction number is Item number: 330308722994
Thanks ahead of time for your thoughts.
TtT

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Fri Feb 20 09:24:46 2009
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:24:46 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Rear axle shims
References: <494241.15688.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D1570190516B@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

They are used to set the axle bearing preload. New bearings would
probably require different shims than what your old bearings had.

Cheers,
Theo

From sunbeamtiger_65 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 20 17:45:37 2009
From: sunbeamtiger_65 at hotmail.com (PJ)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:45:37 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tough decision...1965 Tiger For Sale
Message-ID: <BAY109-W2917F1FD5B7D5C88E215B29DB00@phx.gbl>

Hello all,



We are about 90% sure that we will have to put our favorite car up for sale.
It is sad for us indeed. Ideally I would like to sell this locally and off of
e-pay. No photos available now, but I will have some soon. Tiger is located in
Snoqualmie WA and is safely stored in our heated garage as we have kept it
during our ownership (other than weekend drives and car shows).



Basic Details:

1965 Tiger (black dash)

#B9470240

TAC #0568

Color: White/Black interior

Original 260 V8



I am the third owner and I can say that this Tiger is really 100% original
with the exception of a careful re-paint sometime in the late 70's. There are
a few road rash chips and normal wear that you would expect from enjoying the
Tiger on back roads and highway driving. The seats were also recovered in the
70's with an aftermarket brand cover. Other than that, you have a rare
unmolested Tiger that has zero rust and has not been wrecked or damaged.
Drives straight and true, but needs a few mechanical refresh work such as
bleeding the brakes and minor adjustments with the steering and other things
here and there. But then again I am a perfectionist. All of the Tiger only
items are there and complete including the original fan, radiator, catch can,
air cleaner and generator. You can tell that every single owner took great
care of this car during it's lifetime, especially us!



The Tiger starts right up when ignited...every time. New exhaust, brakes,
hoses, and lots of extra detail parts like guages and other Tiger goodies that
I have collected over the years as back-up. It also features very rare and
period correct Cosmo mag wheels. Car has about 115k original miles and has the
original top still in place. We have never put it up since we owned it but we
know there are a few holes and normal wear for being original. We do not have
the original hard top. Does not leak or burn oil, but may need to look at a
motor rebuild soon. Just speculating.



This Tiger is perfect for the person who wants an unmolested sample of one of
the most amazing cars ever produced! We are not going to set a price, but we
certainly know what it is worth and will look at offers. No trades. Cash
talks. Please do not waste our time just to be a lookee-loo, serious buyers
please.



Send me an email off of this list if you are interested in learning more.
phil at finaghtys.com



Cheers,

Phil

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From scattt at verizon.net  Sat Feb 21 11:55:16 2009
From: scattt at verizon.net (Scattt)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:55:16 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] pulley
References: <49989825.4040700@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <474A278620B04609906867FB62859DD6@NicksDellPC>

I am needing the vibration dampener pulley for a Tiger. Anyone got one they 
want to part with? Anyone know what the Ford part # is for this part.
Thanks Nick 

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Feb 21 13:35:42 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:35:42 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] pulley
In-Reply-To: <474A278620B04609906867FB62859DD6@NicksDellPC>
Message-ID: <1B8B08EC78CC4A2F83F59AAAA770B67E@ronpc1>

Nick
	Crankshaft pulley - C4JZ-6312-A

Also see TigersUnited parts manual for Ford part numbers.

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/2-AF-EngineMoto
r.pdf

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Scattt
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:55 PM
To: Steve Laifman; Tiger's Den
Subject: [Tigers] pulley


I am needing the vibration dampener pulley for a Tiger. Anyone got one they
want to part with? Anyone know what the Ford part # is for this part. Thanks
Nick
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From sunbeamjohn at msn.com  Sat Feb 21 14:24:09 2009
From: sunbeamjohn at msn.com (sunbeam john)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:24:09 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] 23K kms & Mediterranean Blue for $55K
In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D1570190515C@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
References: <002c01c9923c$a2eb1c20$4001a8c0@TIGERV8>
	<60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D1570190515C@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-W40D602ED869C8EC7AFC5A3A5B00@phx.gbl>

The Mediterranean blue Tiger was a Tiger that I have owned 3 years ago and
sold it to a guy in Canada. It is a real Tiger and it spend all of it's life
up to 3 years ago in Arizona so it is a rust free car. The mileage as stated
is correct. The car was damaged in the early 1970 the insurance company total
the car and the 2nd owner bought it back from the insurance company. The car
sat until 2001 when a friend of mine restored the car and sold it to me. When
I sold the car ir had black interior. If anyone is looking to puchase this car
you may call me at 480 695-4570

John Cossman

sunbeamjohn at msn.com

> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:11:35 -0700
> From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com
> To: gpointer at telusplanet.net; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] 23K kms & Mediterranean Blue for $55K
>
> This Tiger is actually located/on sale in Richmond, British Columbia...
> About 600 miles from either Calgary or Edmonton. Maybe Peter MacDonald
> knows of the car?
>
> Theo
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Pointers
> > Sent: February 18, 2009 7:49 PM
> > To: tigers at autox.team.net
> > Subject: [Tigers] 23K kms & Mediterranean Blue for $55K
> >
> > http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-classic-cars-1966-SU
> > NBEAM-TIGER-W0Q
> > QAdIdZ107759136
> >
> > 23,000 kms (aka 13,000 miles)
> > Mediterranean Blue
> >
> > Rare on both counts. Well, statistically, Mediterranean Blue
> > was not really a rare production, oddly, but I'd wager
> > many/most were re-sprayed a darker blue, as was mine.
> >
> > (Plus, it's Canadian...:-)...)!
> >
> > Gary.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >
> > Tigers at autox.team.net
> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers
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From sunbeamjohn at msn.com  Sat Feb 21 14:28:20 2009
From: sunbeamjohn at msn.com (sunbeam john)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:28:20 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] FW:  23K kms & Mediterranean Blue for $55K
In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D1570190515C@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
References: <002c01c9923c$a2eb1c20$4001a8c0@TIGERV8>
	<60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D1570190515C@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> 
Message-ID: <BAY114-W4235B35873A82EA4547170A5B00@phx.gbl>

From: sunbeamjohn at msn.com
To: theo.smit at dynastream.com; gpointer at telusplanet.net; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Tigers] 23K kms & Mediterranean Blue for $55K
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:24:09 -0700



The Mediterranean blue Tiger was a Tiger that I have owned 3 years ago and
sold it to a guy in Canada. It is a real Tiger and it spend all of it's life
up to 3 years ago in Arizona so it is a rust free car. The mileage as stated
is correct. The car was damaged in the early 1970 the insurance company total
the car and the 2nd owner bought it back from the insurance company. The car
sat until 2001 when a friend of mine restored the car and sold it to me. When
I sold the car ir had black interior. If anyone is looking to puchase this car
you may call me at 480 695-4570
John Cossman
sunbeamjohn at msn.com

> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 08:11:35 -0700
> From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com
> To: gpointer at telusplanet.net; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] 23K kms & Mediterranean Blue for $55K
>
> This Tiger is actually located/on sale in Richmond, British Columbia...
> About 600 miles from either Calgary or Edmonton. Maybe Peter MacDonald
> knows of the car?
>
> Theo
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Pointers
> > Sent: February 18, 2009 7:49 PM
> > To: tigers at autox.team.net
> > Subject: [Tigers] 23K kms & Mediterranean Blue for $55K
> >
> > http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-classic-cars-1966-SU
> > NBEAM-TIGER-W0Q
> > QAdIdZ107759136
> >
> > 23,000 kms (aka 13,000 miles)
> > Mediterranean Blue
> >
> > Rare on both counts. Well, statistically, Mediterranean Blue
> > was not really a rare production, oddly, but I'd wager
> > many/most were re-sprayed a darker blue, as was mine.
> >
> > (Plus, it's Canadian...:-)...)!
> >
> > Gary.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >
> > Tigers at autox.team.net
> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers
> >
> > http://www.team.net/archive
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>
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From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 21 14:53:17 2009
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:53:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] nos brit parts
Message-ID: <427715.91267.qm@web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
     I found this listing on my morris list..A man in Gilmar Tx. found a two
story warehouse full of NOS brit parts..Go to the page listed and see if there
is anything you can use..I went through the list of the parts he has sorted so
far and saw a few Alpine parts, but there is going to be TONS of obscure parts
comming as they are inventoried.
http://maxwell-thomas.com/default.aspx
The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America.

From sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net  Sat Feb 21 16:17:28 2009
From: sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net (Paul R Sheahan)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:17:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] It's not an Oil Leak
Message-ID: <172893.91161.qm@web83716.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

For those of you who think you have a Tiger that is leaking oil.......Not
true.........
...........It is only oozing nostalgia............................
 
Paul
Paul R Sheahan
 

From jteepen at usatoday.com  Sat Feb 21 20:18:28 2009
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 22:18:28 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] pulley
In-Reply-To: <1B8B08EC78CC4A2F83F59AAAA770B67E@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <22D6EDA3E0A9E3498F3C3FC3697DCE3405AA8ABF@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com>

Are the applications for this pulley known?  I have never seen that
information and it would be very helpful to know.

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Ron Fraser
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:36 PM
To: 'Scattt'; 'Steve Laifman'; 'Tiger's Den'
Subject: Re: [Tigers] pulley

Nick
	Crankshaft pulley - C4JZ-6312-A

Also see TigersUnited parts manual for Ford part numbers.

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/2-AF-EngineMoto
r.pdf

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Scattt
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 1:55 PM
To: Steve Laifman; Tiger's Den
Subject: [Tigers] pulley


I am needing the vibration dampener pulley for a Tiger. Anyone got one they
want to part with? Anyone know what the Ford part # is for this part. Thanks
Nick No virus found in this incoming message.
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From rspontelli at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 21 21:48:03 2009
From: rspontelli at earthlink.net (Ramon Spontelli)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:48:03 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Anderson Accurate Ackerman Angle kit
Message-ID: <CF9E491B6AEF4735BCBD6F879885F7D0@XPDESKTOP>

A couple of weeks ago, I got a phone call from Buck Trippel.  He wanted to
know if I knew anything about the old Lou Anderson/C.A.T. Ackerman Angle
steering kit.

 

Yep.  I bought one, and never installed it.  It was buried out back in one
of the sheds. I told him I'd dig it out whenever I was excavating something
out of that corner of that shed and keep it handy if he ever wanted to come
over and have a look at it.

 

Then, over the next week or so, I started seeing questions about the kit on
the list, so there must be something more than Bucky's curiosity going on
here.  It was a nice clear/dry day today, so this morning I went to the shed
and dug it out. It's a good thing, too, cause-true to its heritage-the
vintage 1977 staple on the installation instructions had nearly succumbed to
the rust worms!

 

Anyhoo, after dinner this evening I scanned the instructions, took a couple
of photographs, pasted it all into a Word.doc, and converted the thing into
a .pdf file.

 

If you want a copy of the .pdf file, just let me know:

 

rspontelli at earthlink.net

 

Ramon

 

 

 

Message: 7

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:21:40 -0800

From: "Jim" <jim at island.net>

Subject: [Tigers] Anderson Accurate Ackerman Angle kit

To: <tigers at autox.team.net>

Message-ID: <000001c9905b$08730870$4101a8c0 at JIMPC>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

 

Before this topic fades to oblivion for another 10 years I'd really like to

know more of the story... and wonder if anyone else actually has one they

might consider parting with ?

 A couple of gracious 'listers' have offered to send me some info by snail

mail ( thanks, guys ) but I'm still perplexed as to what it actually looks

like.

Does anyone have any pics handy that they could e-mail...??

 

Curious in Canada...

 

Jim 

B38200446

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Feb 22 09:28:22 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:28:22 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] pulley
In-Reply-To: <22D6EDA3E0A9E3498F3C3FC3697DCE3405AA8ABF@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com>
Message-ID: <F465716DAFF3476B8AB96E788896424E@ronpc1>

Excellent question Jere.

We all need to do a little research to answer this.

	It seems to me that C4JZ indicates a 1964 part from the Ford
Industrial group.  I also believe this is a Tiger unique part number and
will not show up in any Ford part number manuals.  This does not necessarily
mean that the part was not pulled from standard Ford Parts.   It could
easily be a standard Ford pulley with an updated part number.

Single groove pulley means it is for a base model engine with just a
generator or alternator; no other accessories.

The Rootes parts manuals indicate that this pulley is used on both the MK I
and MK II.

Bob Mannel's book on SB Ford engines indicates a one groove stamped steel
pulley; C2OZ-6312-A used 1962 - 1964, diameter = 6.1" with a 3/8" groove.
Bob also notes that the actual diameter could be up to a 1/4" off.   This
Ford part number could be researched for additional information.

Anyone have an original pulley handy and can measure it's diameter?

The above all holds true for the water pump pulley too; C4JZ-8509-A.  Bob
Mannel's book indicates one single groove pulley, C2OZ-8509-A; diameter =
5.8", used 1962 - 1964.  Anyone have this pulley handy for measurement?

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Teepen, Jere [mailto:jteepen at usatoday.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:18 PM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; 'Scattt'; 'Steve Laifman'; 'Tiger's Den'
Subject: RE: [Tigers] pulley


Are the applications for this pulley known?  I have never seen that
information and it would be very helpful to know.

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Feb 22 09:41:17 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:41:17 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Anderson Accurate Ackerman Angle kit
In-Reply-To: <CF9E491B6AEF4735BCBD6F879885F7D0@XPDESKTOP>
Message-ID: <A53AF3A5F6B5479781740209D60EE50B@ronpc1>

Ramon
	It would be great to get all this information on TigersUnited.

	I also found that Lou Anderson wrote a Tech note for the CAT Shop
notes, 3rd edition.  He states that this modification changed his turning
radius from stock 37' 6" to 31' 6".    He also includes "We can't recommend
this change to everyone..."; 2 reasons are listed, no turning back once you
start and safety due to the parts you are changing.

Yes I would like to see your file.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Ramon Spontelli
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 11:48 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anderson Accurate Ackerman Angle kit


A couple of weeks ago, I got a phone call from Buck Trippel.  He wanted to
know if I knew anything about the old Lou Anderson/C.A.T. Ackerman Angle
steering kit.



Yep.  I bought one, and never installed it.  It was buried out back in one
of the sheds. I told him I'd dig it out whenever I was excavating something
out of that corner of that shed and keep it handy if he ever wanted to come
over and have a look at it.



Then, over the next week or so, I started seeing questions about the kit on
the list, so there must be something more than Bucky's curiosity going on
here.  It was a nice clear/dry day today, so this morning I went to the shed
and dug it out. It's a good thing, too, cause-true to its heritage-the
vintage 1977 staple on the installation instructions had nearly succumbed to
the rust worms!



Anyhoo, after dinner this evening I scanned the instructions, took a couple
of photographs, pasted it all into a Word.doc, and converted the thing into
a .pdf file.



If you want a copy of the .pdf file, just let me know:



rspontelli at earthlink.net



Ramon







Message: 7

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 09:21:40 -0800

From: "Jim" <jim at island.net>

Subject: [Tigers] Anderson Accurate Ackerman Angle kit

To: <tigers at autox.team.net>

Message-ID: <000001c9905b$08730870$4101a8c0 at JIMPC>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"



Before this topic fades to oblivion for another 10 years I'd really like to

know more of the story... and wonder if anyone else actually has one they

might consider parting with ?

 A couple of gracious 'listers' have offered to send me some info by snail

mail ( thanks, guys ) but I'm still perplexed as to what it actually looks

like.

Does anyone have any pics handy that they could e-mail...??



Curious in Canada...



Jim

B38200446
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From RSSmithIQ at cs.com  Sun Feb 22 09:41:58 2009
From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:41:58 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Anderson Accurate Ackerman Angle kit
In-Reply-To: <CF9E491B6AEF4735BCBD6F879885F7D0@XPDESKTOP>
References: <CF9E491B6AEF4735BCBD6F879885F7D0@XPDESKTOP>
Message-ID: <49A18056.2020001@cs.com>

Listers-

I got a copy of these instructions from Ramon (Thanks Ramon!) just to 
see how this kit worked.  Pretty complex linkage system.  So my question 
is, does anyone know anyone who actually installed one of these and if 
so, how well did it work in terms of correcting the Ackerman angle?

Just curious- Randy

Ramon Spontelli wrote:
> A couple of weeks ago, I got a phone call from Buck Trippel.  He wanted to
> know if I knew anything about the old Lou Anderson/C.A.T. Ackerman Angle
> steering kit.
>
>  
>
> Yep.  I bought one, and never installed it.  It was buried out back in one
> of the sheds. I told him I'd dig it out whenever I was excavating something
> out of that corner of that shed and keep it handy if he ever wanted to come
> over and have a look at it.
>
>  
>
> Then, over the next week or so, I started seeing questions about the kit on
> the list, so there must be something more than Bucky's curiosity going on
> here.  It was a nice clear/dry day today, so this morning I went to the shed
> and dug it out. It's a good thing, too, cause-true to its heritage-the
> vintage 1977 staple on the installation instructions had nearly succumbed to
> the rust worms!
>
>  
>
> Anyhoo, after dinner this evening I scanned the instructions, took a couple
> of photographs, pasted it all into a Word.doc, and converted the thing into
> a .pdf file.
>
>  
>
> If you want a copy of the .pdf file, just let me know:
>
>  
>
> rspontelli at earthlink.net
>
>  
>
> Ramon
>   
-- 

Randy Smith
INNER QUEST, Inc.
34752 Charles Town Pike
Purcellville, VA  20132
703-478-1078
540-668-6699
540-668-6253 fax

InnerQuestOnline.com <http://www.innerquestonline.com/>
RSSmithIQ at cs.com
Tiger- B382000189

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Feb 22 09:54:22 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:54:22 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Anderson Accurate Ackerman Angle kit
In-Reply-To: <49A18056.2020001@cs.com>
Message-ID: <B2E266383DA34BDE8168897AB9C88248@ronpc1>

Randy
	It would appear that Lou installed at least one kit on his Tiger.
The question is; where is that Tiger and does it still have the kit
installed or was it returned to stock?

It would be nice to see this Mod drawn up or mocked up to understand how it
worked and to understand it's good and bad points.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Randy Smith
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:42 AM
To: rspontelli at earthlink.net
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anderson Accurate Ackerman Angle kit


Listers-

I got a copy of these instructions from Ramon (Thanks Ramon!) just to 
see how this kit worked.  Pretty complex linkage system.  So my question 
is, does anyone know anyone who actually installed one of these and if 
so, how well did it work in terms of correcting the Ackerman angle?

Just curious- Randy

From rspontelli at earthlink.net  Sun Feb 22 10:27:40 2009
From: rspontelli at earthlink.net (Ramon Spontelli)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 09:27:40 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Anderson Accurate Ackerman Angle kit ( Ron Fraser)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.14693.1235320920.3542.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.14693.1235320920.3542.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <3CCCC73B848741CA9F5CC556C171A461@XPDESKTOP>

<<It would be great to get all this information on TigersUnited.

If Steve wants to put it up on his website, I could send him the scanned
.jpg images.

Ramon

From Rollright at aol.com  Sun Feb 22 12:18:14 2009
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 14:18:14 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Anderson Ackerman Kit
Message-ID: <d2e.392013a4.36d2fef6@aol.com>

Hello,
 
I bought one of these about some ten years ago, then after reading the  
instructions, sold it on.
 
Reason?  It required cutting up the stock Tiger rack. So, once you  start 
with it, its really not an option to go back to original.
 
Best regards,
 
Jim Armstrong
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 22 12:33:18 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:33:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Anderson Ackerman Kit
Message-ID: <546095.60243.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Does anyone have any idea what a person does when or if he bends or breaks the
steering arm on an orginal rack? Obviously several people- IE; Ramon and Jim
both both the kit BUT didnt install same for the same reason- there was no
returning to stock. I cant imangine that Doug Jennings or Dale A. perhaps
Scott Woreth or Tiger Tom( both Pa. Tiger guys from almost the beginning of
time)  doesnt know of a way to repair the stock R+P. I can see someone thats
good with metal straighting a bent one but you have to know about how to go
about heating the steel and not crystalizing same. I know many items that had
to be heated where coled in oil. I also know that you can ruin the chain in a
chain fall if it is holding a large load- say for example a steel chute in a
plant(coal in my expetrience) and there is no ground EXCEPT thru the chainfall
and steel choker holding the load. Ive seen the chains get so hot they would
burn yours hands bad if you grabbed on while
 the welder was or had been welding. The older superintendents would give you
hell for being so dumb and destrioy the chain. Imangine if he was right and
the metal crystalized and later someone else lifting a two ton pic suddenly
was crushed becuse the chain broke. I never saw that happen BUT I did see them
destroyed becuse the welder didnt attach another ground source. So, In theory,
heating up the threaded rod could weaken it IF a metalurgist wasnt telling you
how to keep from making the metal weak or remocing the carbon etc etc. ALL
that said- my question was- IS there anyone who knows how or where you would
replace the R+P arms if damaged beyond repair/
TtT

From modtiger at comcast.net  Sun Feb 22 12:39:45 2009
From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:39:45 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Anderson Ackerman Kit
In-Reply-To: <d2e.392013a4.36d2fef6@aol.com>
References: <d2e.392013a4.36d2fef6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20090222112458.00f01148@comcast.net>

At 11:18 AM 2/22/2009, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I bought one of these about some ten years ago, then after reading the
>instructions, sold it on.
>
>Reason?  It required cutting up the stock Tiger rack. So, once you  start
>with it, its really not an option to go back to original.

Sure it is!  Doug Jennings has remanufactured the rack link rods.  He 
currently has no stock of links (I have one pair) but he or his 
machinist can make another run.  I've converted a few modified racks 
back to OEM.  Not a big deal.  The kit works, but it's major weakness 
is that the spherical and slotted rod ends tend to wear somewhat 
rapidly on the street leaving the linkage a little loose.  Lou used 
to run this on his Tiger in Autocross competition.  Naturally the 
organizers upped him a class for this modification because he 
"created" such an advantage for his Tiger, making the steering almost 
equal to normal cars.


Tom Hall
ModTiger Engineering LLC
www.tigerengineering.net

From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 22 13:23:22 2009
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:23:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Anderson Ackerman Kit
Message-ID: <451606.54493.qm@web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

hello,
       The steering parts in question have been 'heat treated". It means that
the steel parts have been made, hardened and annealed to preserve their high
strength properties..someone who heats a part that has been heat treated..or
welded..had better know how the part was hardened and annealed ..and...if the
weld could be treated the same way as the original part was treated..whthout
this knowledge, repaired steering parts will most certainly be weakened in
many ways..compared to the original steel parts.
     Heat treat is a special science of metaluragery that requires some
knowledge of particular steel reciepes and then how to treat the different
steels to allow them to be strong, not brittle..hard and not weak.  Any time
high heat is applied to hardened steel parts, something will have changed in
the structure of the parts being heated.
zym

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--- On Sun, 2/22/09, Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Tony Somebody <achd73 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anderson Ackerman Kit
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net, Rollright at aol.com
Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 2:33 PM


Does anyone have any idea what a person does when or if he bends or breaks
the
steering arm on an orginal rack? Obviously several people- IE; Ramon and Jim
both both the kit BUT didnt install same for the same reason- there was no
returning to stock. I cant imangine that Doug Jennings or Dale A. perhaps
Scott Woreth or Tiger Tom( both Pa. Tiger guys from almost the beginning of
time)  doesnt know of a way to repair the stock R+P. I can see someone thats
good with metal straighting a bent one but you have to know about how to go
about heating the steel and not crystalizing same. I know many items that had
to be heated where coled in oil. I also know that you can ruin the chain in a
chain fall if it is holding a large load- say for example a steel chute in a
plant(coal in my expetrience) and there is no ground EXCEPT thru the
chainfall
and steel choker holding the load. Ive seen the chains get so hot they would
burn yours hands bad if you grabbed on while
the welder was or had been welding. The older superintendents would give you
hell for being so dumb and destrioy the chain. Imangine if he was right and
the metal crystalized and later someone else lifting a two ton pic suddenly
was crushed becuse the chain broke. I never saw that happen BUT I did see
them
destroyed becuse the welder didnt attach another ground source. So, In
theory,
heating up the threaded rod could weaken it IF a metalurgist wasnt telling
you
how to keep from making the metal weak or remocing the carbon etc etc. ALL
that said- my question was- IS there anyone who knows how or where you would
replace the R+P arms if damaged beyond repair/
TtT
Tigers at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers

http://www.team.net/archive

From tgrrr at peoplepc.com  Sun Feb 22 13:47:18 2009
From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:47:18 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] pulley
References: <F465716DAFF3476B8AB96E788896424E@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <3226222269A94939977DAE822C086A70@bob>

I measure the crank pulley at 6 1/8" O.D. with 1 1/2" from mounting surface 
to outermost edge (depth).
Water pump pulley measures 5 7/8" O.D. with 2 3/4" overall depth.

Bob H


> Anyone have an original pulley handy and can measure it's diameter?

From Landcmitch at aol.com  Sun Feb 22 13:52:12 2009
From: Landcmitch at aol.com (Landcmitch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:52:12 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Anderson Accurate Ackerman Angle kit
Message-ID: <d37.3ea4412f.36d314fc@aol.com>

The Ackerman angle was corrected to: inside wheel 20 degrees, outside wheel  
17 degrees.  Turning circle 31+ feet.  One more consideration - this  system 
must be kept clean and lubricated, there are no rubber boots or  protective 
sleeves.  This is a "fair weather" mod.  But it sure  works!
 
Charlie  
 
 
In a message dated 2/22/2009 8:42:39 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
RSSmithIQ at cs.com writes:

Listers-

I got a copy of these instructions from Ramon (Thanks  Ramon!) just to 
see how this kit worked.  Pretty complex linkage  system.  So my question 
is, does anyone know anyone who actually  installed one of these and if 
so, how well did it work in terms of  correcting the Ackerman angle?

Just curious- Randy

Ramon  Spontelli wrote:
> A couple of weeks ago, I got a phone call from Buck  Trippel.  He wanted to
> know if I knew anything about the old Lou  Anderson/C.A.T. Ackerman Angle
> steering kit.
>
>   
>
> Yep.  I bought one, and never installed it.  It was  buried out back in one
> of the sheds. I told him I'd dig it out  whenever I was excavating something
> out of that corner of that shed  and keep it handy if he ever wanted to come
> over and have a look at  it.
>
>  
>
> Then, over the next week or so, I  started seeing questions about the kit on
> the list, so there must be  something more than Bucky's curiosity going on
> here.  It was a  nice clear/dry day today, so this morning I went to the 
shed
> and dug  it out. It's a good thing, too, cause-true to its heritage-the
> vintage  1977 staple on the installation instructions had nearly succumbed 
to
>  the rust worms!
>
>  
>
> Anyhoo, after dinner  this evening I scanned the instructions, took a couple
> of photographs,  pasted it all into a Word.doc, and converted the thing into
> a .pdf  file.
>
>  
>
> If you want a copy of the .pdf  file, just let me know:
>
>  
>
>  rspontelli at earthlink.net
>
>  
>
>  Ramon
>   
-- 

Randy Smith
INNER QUEST,  Inc.
34752 Charles Town Pike
Purcellville, VA   20132
703-478-1078
540-668-6699
540-668-6253  fax

InnerQuestOnline.com  <http://www.innerquestonline.com/>
RSSmithIQ at cs.com
Tiger-  B382000189
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Feb 22 15:58:39 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 17:58:39 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] pulley
In-Reply-To: <3226222269A94939977DAE822C086A70@bob>
Message-ID: <C7A7B5F2666248BFB30CBFD55FF1EB2F@ronpc1>

Bob
	Thanks for the measurements.

6 1/8 = 6.125"
5 7/8 = 5.875"	Close enough to the 6.1" and 5.8"

Crank pulley, C4JZ-6312-A; C2OZ-6312-A appears to be the base Ford part
number here.

Water pump pulley, C4JZ-8509-A; C2OZ-8509-A appears to be the base Ford part
number here.

Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Hokanson [mailto:tgrrr at peoplepc.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:47 PM
To: Tigers; rfraser at bluefrog.com
Subject: Re: [Tigers] pulley


I measure the crank pulley at 6 1/8" O.D. with 1 1/2" from mounting surface
to outermost edge (depth).
Water pump pulley measures 5 7/8" O.D. with 2 3/4" overall depth.

Bob H


> Anyone have an original pulley handy and can measure it's diameter?


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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Sun Feb 22 16:17:41 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 15:17:41 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] pulley
In-Reply-To: <C7A7B5F2666248BFB30CBFD55FF1EB2F@ronpc1>
References: <C7A7B5F2666248BFB30CBFD55FF1EB2F@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <49A1DD15.1030408@SoCal.rr.com>

Ron,

The Sunbeam Tiger Parts List < 
http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/FactParts.asp >

List the original parts as:

Crank Pulley - C4JZ-6312-A**

**and the Water Pump Pulley -  C4JZ-8509-A

You are correct, but I can't vouch for the C2 numbers.
_*_**_*_

___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



 Ron Fraser wrote:
> Bob
> 	Thanks for the measurements.
>
> 6 1/8 = 6.125"
> 5 7/8 = 5.875"	Close enough to the 6.1" and 5.8"
>
> Crank pulley, _*C4JZ-6312-A*_; C2OZ-6312-A appears to be the base Ford part
> number here.
>
> Water pump pulley, _*C4JZ-8509-A*_; C2OZ-8509-A appears to be the base Ford part
> number here.
>
> Ron

From jim at island.net  Sun Feb 22 17:45:47 2009
From: jim at island.net (jim at island.net)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:45:47 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Anderson Ackerman Kit
In-Reply-To: <d2e.392013a4.36d2fef6@aol.com>
References: <d2e.392013a4.36d2fef6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1235349947.49a1f1bbcb07d@webmail.island.net>

Quoting Rollright at aol.com:

> Hello,
>
> I bought one of these about some ten years ago, then after reading the
> instructions, sold it on.
>
> Reason?  It required cutting up the stock Tiger rack. So, once you  start
> with it, its really not an option to go back to original.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jim Armstrong




There IS another tie rod that will attach to the Tiger rack so you dont have to
cut up your rare Tiger piece... it doesn't have the kink but that is cut out
anyway. I think it's one of the MG tie rods.. apparently Dale A. knows which
one...
I also think some($$)more modern joints could be used to lessen the wear
issue...


Jim
B382000446









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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Sun Feb 22 19:41:50 2009
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:41:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Anderson Ackerman Kit
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20090222112458.00f01148@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <908651699.1392931235356910255.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Thirty years ago the design proved impractical..
Would something like these modern seals solve the wear problem?

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Seals-It-Heim-Seals,1528.html

And we have seen many other steering racks installed in the Tiger
(Midget, Miata, Mustang), would a different rack (maybe even
with power assist) solve the other objections?

I sure would like to have better and safer steering!
Just brainstorming...

Hacksaw Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Hall 
To: Rollright at aol.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:39:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anderson Ackerman Kit

At 11:18 AM 2/22/2009, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I bought one of these about some ten years ago, then after reading the
>instructions, sold it on.
>
>Reason?  It required cutting up the stock Tiger rack. So, once you  start
>with it, its really not an option to go back to original.

Sure it is!  Doug Jennings has remanufactured the rack link rods.  He 
currently has no stock of links (I have one pair) but he or his 
machinist can make another run.  I've converted a few modified racks 
back to OEM.  Not a big deal.  The kit works, but it's major weakness 
is that the spherical and slotted rod ends tend to wear somewhat 
rapidly on the street leaving the linkage a little loose.  Lou used 
to run this on his Tiger in Autocross competition.  Naturally the 
organizers upped him a class for this modification because he 
"created" such an advantage for his Tiger, making the steering almost 
equal to normal cars.


Tom Hall
ModTiger Engineering LLC
www.tigerengineering.net
Tigers at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers

http://www.team.net/archive

From jim at island.net  Sun Feb 22 20:03:20 2009
From: jim at island.net (jim at island.net)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:03:20 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Anderson Ackerman Kit
In-Reply-To: <908651699.1392931235356910255.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <908651699.1392931235356910255.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1235358200.49a211f893730@webmail.island.net>

I've looked at a few heim joints that are made to work in a high dirt/moisture
environment, (suspensions,etc.) they're available in the $30-35 / per range ...
The one I'm still scratching my head about(as far as an upgrade) is the main
clevis joint...
One of the knocks of this fix ( so I've heard ) is a slightly stiffer steering
input. I've just installed a Mazda power rack which of course does nothing for
'ackerman' and I'm thinking this might be perfect for my car...


Jim
B382000446



> Thirty years ago the design proved impractical..
> Would something like these modern seals solve the wear problem?
>
> http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Seals-It-Heim-Seals,1528.html
>
> And we have seen many other steering racks installed in the Tiger
> (Midget, Miata, Mustang), would a different rack (maybe even
> with power assist) solve the other objections?
>
> I sure would like to have better and safer steering!
> Just brainstorming...
>
> Hacksaw Gary
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Hall
> To: Rollright at aol.com
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:39:45 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anderson Ackerman Kit
>
> At 11:18 AM 2/22/2009, you wrote:
> >Hello,
> >
> >I bought one of these about some ten years ago, then after reading the
> >instructions, sold it on.
> >
> >Reason?  It required cutting up the stock Tiger rack. So, once you  start
> >with it, its really not an option to go back to original.
>
> Sure it is!  Doug Jennings has remanufactured the rack link rods.  He
> currently has no stock of links (I have one pair) but he or his
> machinist can make another run.  I've converted a few modified racks
> back to OEM.  Not a big deal.  The kit works, but it's major weakness
> is that the spherical and slotted rod ends tend to wear somewhat
> rapidly on the street leaving the linkage a little loose.  Lou used
> to run this on his Tiger in Autocross competition.  Naturally the
> organizers upped him a class for this modification because he
> "created" such an advantage for his Tiger, making the steering almost
> equal to normal cars.
>
>
> Tom Hall
> ModTiger Engineering LLC
> www.tigerengineering.net
> Tigers at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers
>
> http://www.team.net/archive
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From DJoh797014 at aol.com  Sun Feb 22 21:44:06 2009
From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 23:44:06 EST
Subject: [Tigers] It's not an Oil Leak
Message-ID: <c78.4c927b7d.36d38396@aol.com>

British automobiles do not leak oil.  Its called 'controlled  seepage'.
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Feb 22 22:22:44 2009
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:22:44 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] It's not an Oil Leak
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>British automobiles do not leak oil.  Its called 'controlled  seepage'.
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Way I heard it, it is there way of marking their territory.  

mayf

From v8tracker at gmail.com  Mon Feb 23 07:28:45 2009
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:28:45 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] It's not an Oil Leak
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I friend of mine flipped an MGA at an autocross. When it was righted, there
was oil on the top of a front fender. The comment was, "Only a British car
could leak oil up!"

Happy Monday, everyone.

A. C. Tynes
New Orleans

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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Mon Feb 23 07:29:07 2009
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:29:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Anderson Ackerman Kit
In-Reply-To: <1235358200.49a211f893730@webmail.island.net>
Message-ID: <1608287776.1495631235399347913.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I am not sure but, it sounds like the Ackerman kit did use some of the
dirt/moisture type joints..

YES, a completely different easily obtainable newer rack would solve
my 1976 reservations to the kit.  Did you use the Miata rack like Shelby
put on his wife's Tiger?  Will you share details?  Pictures?

Gary


----- Original Message -----
From: jim at island.net
To: garywinblad at comcast.net
Cc: Tom Hall , tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 03:03:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anderson Ackerman Kit

I've looked at a few heim joints that are made to work in a high dirt/moisture
environment, (suspensions,etc.) they're available in the $30-35 / per range ...
The one I'm still scratching my head about(as far as an upgrade) is the main
clevis joint...
One of the knocks of this fix ( so I've heard ) is a slightly stiffer steering
input. I've just installed a Mazda power rack which of course does nothing for
'ackerman' and I'm thinking this might be perfect for my car...


Jim
B382000446



> Thirty years ago the design proved impractical..
> Would something like these modern seals solve the wear problem?
>
> http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Seals-It-Heim-Seals,1528.html
>
> And we have seen many other steering racks installed in the Tiger
> (Midget, Miata, Mustang), would a different rack (maybe even
> with power assist) solve the other objections?
>
> I sure would like to have better and safer steering!
> Just brainstorming...
>
> Hacksaw Gary

From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com  Mon Feb 23 08:26:21 2009
From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:26:21 EST
Subject: [Tigers] It's not an Oil Leak
Message-ID: <d6a.4479dd97.36d41a1d@aol.com>

Or you could have a Dodge:
 
Drips
 
Oil
 
Drops
 
Grease
 
Everywhere
 
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Feb 23 10:03:13 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:03:13 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] pulley
Message-ID: <00547A29FA3D40609E776BDE3A640A95@ronpc1>

To All
	I have yet to find any depth measurements for the C2OZ part numbers
so I do not know if they are truly compatible with the C4JZ parts.

http://www.mustangtek.com/pulley/Pulley.html

This web site has a lot of Ford part number information but nothing about
the C2OZ parts.

	The fact that the Tiger water pump flange location is different and
thus the crank pulley location is different from other Ford applications
makes this a tougher call.    Without the dept information for the C2OZ
parts or other pulleys there can be no definite determination whether the
C4JZ parts are strictly unique to the Tiger or if they are common to other
Ford Products.   My initial thought was that Ford pulled these parts from
available stock; that statement has yet to be proven, right or wrong.

Thanks to Bob we have the depth and diameter information for the Tiger,
C4JZ, pulleys so if you need a pulley you have the numbers to guide you.

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:59 PM
To: 'Bob Hokanson'; 'Tigers'
Subject: RE: [Tigers] pulley


Bob
	Thanks for the measurements.

6 1/8 = 6.125"
5 7/8 = 5.875"	Close enough to the 6.1" and 5.8"

Crank pulley, C4JZ-6312-A; C2OZ-6312-A appears to be the base Ford part
number here.

Water pump pulley, C4JZ-8509-A; C2OZ-8509-A appears to be the base Ford part
number here.

Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Hokanson [mailto:tgrrr at peoplepc.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 3:47 PM
To: Tigers; rfraser at bluefrog.com
Subject: Re: [Tigers] pulley


I measure the crank pulley at 6 1/8" O.D. with 1 1/2" from mounting surface
to outermost edge (depth).
Water pump pulley measures 5 7/8" O.D. with 2 3/4" overall depth.

Bob H


> Anyone have an original pulley handy and can measure it's diameter?


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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 23 10:35:08 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 09:35:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] pulley
Message-ID: <532403.33571.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

In 1972 I bent my crank pulley and I couldnt find one. I went to junk yards first (DUH) and then to Ford dealers but I didnt have any parts numbers OR have any idea where to get such a thing. Back the Im not sure TE/AE had started for long and if they had it was Tiger Tom and the Pa. boys and of course I had never heard of CAT. I ended up taking the pulley to a machine shop and some senior guy gave it back pretty much fixed. It was bent to the point the belt wouldnt stay on. A set of aluminum ones just sold on ebay- Jim from Las Vegas had them made when he raced a Tiger. I was prepared to pay top dollar but laid down and slept thru the auction. Together the two auctions brought $164.50. I know thats expensive and I didnt get a bid in, so no telling what I would have paid. I was thinking how good they would look polished up and that you cant find them. The water pump pulley can be swapped out for the emaller diameter 3 grove Im told. It aligns up and
 turns the pump more rpms than does the stock pully and if you add AC then you prolly need the extra groove. I have one but have never tried to fit it. I dont have overheating problems with my present engine. This is really interesting to me becuse of the replacemnt parts being available. It would be nice to know there is one we can use. Thanks Ron for all your work.
TtT

From scattt at verizon.net  Mon Feb 23 11:19:43 2009
From: scattt at verizon.net (Scattt)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:19:43 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] pulley
References: <532403.33571.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <94CFD572281B49C094E556306E7CEC15@NicksDellPC>

I went to a swap meet last week and picked up a water pump pulley that 
should work for the Tiger.It is a single sheeve pulley with a 5.25 outside 
diameter with a height about 1/8" taller than the stock Tiger which should 
work well without pressing back the fan mount on the "over the counter" 
water pumps. This should give you the faster pump speed at idle like the 
Fairmont pulley with a single sheeve. The Ford part # is D5ZE-8509-AC.

Nick 

From sganz at pacbell.net  Mon Feb 23 11:59:57 2009
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:59:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Anderson Accurate Ackerman Angle kit
References: <CF9E491B6AEF4735BCBD6F879885F7D0@XPDESKTOP>
Message-ID: <460556.19807.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

What is wrong with Dale's kit? It is not intusive (nothing tiger hacked),
parts seem to be had pretty easily, people seem to have very good results with
it. 

Sandy



----- Original Message ----
From: Ramon Spontelli
<rspontelli at earthlink.net>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Saturday, February
21, 2009 8:48:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anderson Accurate Ackerman Angle kit
A couple of weeks ago, I got a phone call from Buck Trippel.  He wanted to
know if I knew anything about the old Lou Anderson/C.A.T. Ackerman Angle
steering kit.



Yep.  I bought one, and never installed it.  It was buried
out back in one
of the sheds. I told him I'd dig it out whenever I was
excavating something
out of that corner of that shed and keep it handy if he
ever wanted to come
over and have a look at it.



Then, over the next week or
so, I started seeing questions about the kit on
the list, so there must be
something more than Bucky's curiosity going on
here.  It was a nice clear/dry
day today, so this morning I went to the shed
and dug it out. It's a good
thing, too, cause-true to its heritage-the
vintage 1977 staple on the
installation instructions had nearly succumbed to
the rust worms!



Anyhoo,
after dinner this evening I scanned the instructions, took a couple
of
photographs, pasted it all into a Word.doc, and converted the thing into
a
.pdf file.



If you want a copy of the .pdf file, just let me know:
rspontelli at earthlink.net



Ramon







Message: 7

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009
09:21:40 -0800

From: "Jim" <jim at island.net>

Subject: [Tigers] Anderson
Accurate Ackerman Angle kit

To: <tigers at autox.team.net>

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Before this topic fades to oblivion for another 10 years
I'd really like to

know more of the story... and wonder if anyone else
actually has one they

might consider parting with ?

A couple of gracious
'listers' have offered to send me some info by snail

mail ( thanks, guys )
but I'm still perplexed as to what it actually looks

like.

Does anyone have
any pics handy that they could e-mail...??



Curious in Canada...



Jim
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From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Mon Feb 23 12:03:06 2009
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:03:06 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] It's not an Oil Leak
In-Reply-To: <c78.4c927b7d.36d38396@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20090223190306.126U4.133619.root@cdptpa-web18-z01>

I've always called it automatic oil change. I just keep pouring oil
in and never have to drain it out. Also available on many
American and Japanese cars.

Steve


---- DJoh797014 at aol.com wrote: 
> British automobiles do not leak oil.  Its called 'controlled  seepage'.
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Feb 23 13:35:19 2009
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:35:19 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Water pump pulley and Volvo connection
Message-ID: <c4f.41ffb2cd.36d46287@aol.com>

As a substitute for the stock WP pulley and the Fairmont pulley a  Volvo 
pulley is very close.  A pulley from a Volvo 240, vintage 1992 has a  WP pulley 
that is 4 hole and exactly the same depth as either of the Fords  listed above.  
The diameter is 5.5" which falls somewhere around half way  between the stock 
and the Fairmont. The mounting holes would have to be slotted  slightly. 
I think all of them will have 2 grooves as I believe the Fairmont  does.  In 
my area Volvo pulleys can be had for $5 and a Fairmont will go  for around 
$15-$20.
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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Mon Feb 23 14:04:20 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:04:20 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] It's not an Oil Leak
In-Reply-To: <20090223190306.126U4.133619.root@cdptpa-web18-z01>
References: <20090223190306.126U4.133619.root@cdptpa-web18-z01>
Message-ID: <49A30F54.9060904@SoCal.rr.com>

Steve R. Tigers, and DJ,

Let's pay the proper homage to the British cars and Motorcycles as well.

When a Triumph cycle dealer was asked why the new display bike had oil 
drips on the showroom floor, he responded:

"Of course it does!  How the bloody h-ll would you know if it has oil in 
it?"

That is probably why my 1954 Jaguar XK had a 14 gallon sump!


Steve

___


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Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



sralsten at ca.rr.com wrote:
> I've always called it automatic oil change. I just keep pouring oil
> in and never have to drain it out. Also available on many
> American and Japanese cars.
>
> Steve
>
>
> ---- DJoh797014 at aol.com wrote: 
>   
>> British automobiles do not leak oil.  Its called 'controlled  seepage'.

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 23 14:23:25 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:23:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Anderson Accurate Ackerman Angle kit
Message-ID: <176173.38659.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Im w/ Sandy as Im planning to install the kit next month. Tom Hall told me a
few things I need to know as I run 15" Minilites. The instructions talk about
elongating a hole in the MG steering arms so they will match the spindle and
orginal Tiger arms hole pattern. If there is something negative anyone has
experienced- let me know. I am considering having my machinest make an oppisit
side so you dont have to buy two sets of tie rod ends. dale took the short cut
i=when he engineered that as opposed to having threads oppisite on the other
side- of course maybe you cant make that thread bUT it seems that a machinest
can make anythread- cost might be the problem. I will let everyone know IF I
have that part made with opposing thread, then just one new set of tie rod
ends would work.
TtT

--- On Mon, 2/23/09, Sandy Ganz <sganz at pacbell.net> wrote:


From: Sandy Ganz <sganz at pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anderson Accurate Ackerman Angle kit
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 12:59 PM


What is wrong with Dale's kit? It is not intusive (nothing tiger hacked),
parts seem to be had pretty easily, people seem to have very good results
with
it.

Sandy



----- Original Message ----
From: Ramon Spontelli
<rspontelli at earthlink.net>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Saturday, February
21, 2009 8:48:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Anderson Accurate Ackerman Angle kit
A couple of weeks ago, I got a phone call from Buck Trippel.  He wanted to
know if I knew anything about the old Lou Anderson/C.A.T. Ackerman Angle
steering kit.



Yep.  I bought one, and never installed it.  It was buried
out back in one
of the sheds. I told him I'd dig it out whenever I was
excavating something
out of that corner of that shed and keep it handy if he
ever wanted to come
over and have a look at it.



Then, over the next week or
so, I started seeing questions about the kit on
the list, so there must be
something more than Bucky's curiosity going on
here.  It was a nice clear/dry
day today, so this morning I went to the shed
and dug it out. It's a good
thing, too, cause-true to its heritage-the
vintage 1977 staple on the
installation instructions had nearly succumbed to
the rust worms!



Anyhoo,
after dinner this evening I scanned the instructions, took a couple
of
photographs, pasted it all into a Word.doc, and converted the thing into
a
.pdf file.



If you want a copy of the .pdf file, just let me know:
rspontelli at earthlink.net



Ramon







Message: 7

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009
09:21:40 -0800

From: "Jim" <jim at island.net>

Subject: [Tigers] Anderson
Accurate Ackerman Angle kit

To: <tigers at autox.team.net>

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Before this topic fades to oblivion for another 10 years
I'd really like to

know more of the story... and wonder if anyone else
actually has one they

might consider parting with ?

A couple of gracious
'listers' have offered to send me some info by snail

mail ( thanks, guys )
but I'm still perplexed as to what it actually looks

like.

Does anyone have
any pics handy that they could e-mail...??



Curious in Canada...



Jim
B38200446
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 23 14:30:31 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:30:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] SUNI
Message-ID: <826796.95470.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Would someone be kind enough to post where SUNI is being held and the name and number of the motel/hotel etc. so I can attempt to make reservations before they run out of club special rate rooms.
Thanks in advance.
TtT

From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Mon Feb 23 15:42:26 2009
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:42:26 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] SUNI
In-Reply-To: <826796.95470.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <826796.95470.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8312F99D1A814E12B9313EE47EAA1506@BucksLaptop>

Tony,

All the information is posted on the Events page on CAT's website.

http://www.catmbr.org/Events1.htm

see you at SUNI,

Buck Trippel

> Would someone be kind enough to post where SUNI is being held and the name 
> and number of the motel/hotel etc. so I can attempt to make reservations 
> before they run out of club special rate rooms.
> Thanks in advance.
> TtT

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Mon Feb 23 15:50:55 2009
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:50:55 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Anderson Accurate Ackerman Angle kit
References: <176173.38659.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E852BA75318C4095BA29849ADCA93DF6@student2>

Tony,

  Regarding the MGB arms, just hold them up to the spindle. Then decide 
which hole will allow the arm to come the furthest forward and file the 
other correspondingly.  My recollection is that if the MGB arms hole spacing 
is too long you use the back hole and file the front hole towards the rear. 
If it is too short you use the rear hole and file the front towards the 
front.  Sorry, but it has been a few years and I can't remember.

Regarding your previous post about repairing a broken rack arm.  My Tiger 
had an Alpine arm welded onto it. Looked scary, but it held up for many 
years of abuse to previous owners. However, I actually rethreaded the 
remaining rod. It took a lot of short cuts (lots of back cutting) and did it 
in small depths using an adjustable die.  I spent a lot of time with a small 
file cleaning the root of the thread.  I then used an AMC Hornet split tube 
tie rod adjuster and clamps (doubled up) to make up the difference.  The 
clamping action helps compensate for the fact that the arm is a bit thinner 
as it gets closer to the rack.  I actually threaded the excess arm without 
cleaning the root, put it in a vise and whacked the daylights out of it 
(many full swings, 10 pound sledge) without it breaking.  So, while not 
factory scientific, I did stress the part in question and it didn't fail.

So, it seems the welding hadn't affected the metal heat treatment wise given 
the years it was used.  I was advised not to cut the threads, but with 
little option and careful attention I'll take the risk. In the end I have 
infinite adjustment now.  Yes, I know the original threads were rolled, but 
I'll ask are the internal threads in the tie rod end rolled too?  I doubt 
it. And, the tie rod end is a lot thinner comparable to the rack arm.  For 
that matter American cars used the split tube adjuster for years and as far 
as I can tell those threads aren't rolled either.  If there is a weak link 
I'd say that was it, but I've not heard of a lot of failures there.
Tom 


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From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Mon Feb 23 16:03:13 2009
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:03:13 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] SUNI
Message-ID: <EE27F1D0921546BC8C92BE50AE664568@your4dacd0ea75>

Tony,

I forgot to mention that the story going around that the SUNI hotel is already
sold out is not quite true.

Max P. has reserved 100 rooms for SUNI attendees at the Ramkota Hotel in Rapid
City. The majority of those rooms have been reserved but not all. While the
hotel itself is supposedly already sold out for some of the SUNI days, some of
the Max's SUNI rooms are still available. However these room can't be booked
over the internet. You have to call the Ramkota Hotel directly and identify
yourself as attending SUNI to get the SUNI rooms. (605) 343-8550
Tony, you're right about the room discount for Suni - I think the Ramkota's
regular rate is around $165/ night & Max's SUNI rate is something like $104.

Buck Trippel

From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Feb 23 16:46:22 2009
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:46:22 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Non Tiger
Message-ID: <c27.56beb0d7.36d48f4e@aol.com>

For car guys (gals).
 
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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Mon Feb 23 19:08:43 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:08:43 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] It's not an Oil Leak
In-Reply-To: <49A30F54.9060904@SoCal.rr.com>
References: <20090223190306.126U4.133619.root@cdptpa-web18-z01>
	<49A30F54.9060904@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <49A356AB.5090402@SoCal.rr.com>

One of our fastest lister's has kindly pointed out that I probably meant 
"quarts", rather than gallons.

Well, after paying the Jag Agency for the service, you'd think they were 
selling Scotch in stead of oil.

Steve

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> Steve R. Tigers, and DJ,
>
> Let's pay the proper homage to the British cars and Motorcycles as well.
>
> When a Triumph cycle dealer was asked why the new display bike had oil 
> drips on the showroom floor, he responded:
>
> "Of course it does!  How the bloody h-ll would you know if it has oil in 
> it?"
>
> That is probably why my 1954 Jaguar XK had a 14 *_/gallon/_* sump! (quarts!)
>
>
> Steve
>
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>
>
> sralsten at ca.rr.com wrote:
>   
>> I've always called it automatic oil change. I just keep pouring oil
>> in and never have to drain it out. Also available on many
>> American and Japanese cars.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> ---- DJoh797014 at aol.com wrote: 
>>   
>>     
>>> British automobiles do not leak oil.  Its called 'controlled  seepage'.
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Mon Feb 23 20:46:02 2009
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:46:02 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tire question....Oh...no.........
In-Reply-To: <49A356AB.5090402@SoCal.rr.com>
References: <20090223190306.126U4.133619.root@cdptpa-web18-z01>
	<49A30F54.9060904@SoCal.rr.com> <49A356AB.5090402@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000001c99632$6b606360$42212a20$@rr.com>

Hello all,

I can't stand the rubbing in the rear of my Tiger any more.  I need new 13"
tires but am having a hell of a time deciding on some.

I have J.A. Pierce staggered wheels.  Currently the fronts have 175 70 R13
and the back 215 60 R13 which are obviously too big for the wheels.

I do not want the car any lower than it already is.  I am wandering what
would 175 70 13 fronts and 195 60 13 in the rear would do to the car.  I
have a 3.08 rear and the OEM 4 speed.

Any advice is welcome.  The BF Goodrich Radial T/A's on the car are dated
2002.

Duke
B382002037

PS - I did check the archives fist.  Still, confused.

From sganz at pacbell.net  Mon Feb 23 22:53:18 2009
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 21:53:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tire question....Oh...no.........
References: <20090223190306.126U4.133619.root@cdptpa-web18-z01>
	<49A30F54.9060904@SoCal.rr.com> <49A356AB.5090402@SoCal.rr.com>
	<000001c99632$6b606360$42212a20$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <176190.45454.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Check here for the gears and speed calcs 

Hit the 'Sample' button and you
will get the idea. I think you just need to change the 1st Gear if your have a
close ratio top loader to 2.32, rear ratio  and the tire sizes you want. The
program will give you the RPM and SPEED for all the gears. You can try tire
sizes directly or enter you tire diameter. Tire Rack is a good place for the
data. Note that they might use actual rolling diameter instead of calculated
for many of their specs on tires.

http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/GearCalc.html
HTH

Sandy



----- Original Message ----
From: Samouce's <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:46:02 PM
Subject:
[Tigers] Tire question....Oh...no.........

Hello all,

I can't stand the
rubbing in the rear of my Tiger any more.  I need new 13"
tires but am having
a hell of a time deciding on some.

I have J.A. Pierce staggered wheels. 
Currently the fronts have 175 70 R13
and the back 215 60 R13 which are
obviously too big for the wheels.

I do not want the car any lower than it
already is.  I am wandering what
would 175 70 13 fronts and 195 60 13 in the
rear would do to the car.  I
have a 3.08 rear and the OEM 4 speed.

Any advice
is welcome.  The BF Goodrich Radial T/A's on the car are dated
2002.

Duke
B382002037

PS - I did check the archives fist.  Still, confused.
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From shutchin at netjets.com  Tue Feb 24 07:47:09 2009
From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:47:09 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tire question....Oh...no.........
Message-ID: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D403D00B8C@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>

I have sumitomo 205/60 13s. 

No rubbing. On LAT 70s. Seem to work great. 

195/60s on the front. 


Scott Hutchinson
Director of Operations
Netjets Large Aircraft

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From wwwdg at webtv.net  Tue Feb 24 12:02:15 2009
From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:02:15 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] pulley research
In-Reply-To: " Ron Fraser" <rfraser@bluefrog.com>'s message of Sun, 22
	Feb 2009 11:28:22 -0500
Message-ID: <BAY141-DAV13F30E67550475CDC7EEEDADAF0@phx.gbl>

The Tiger C4JZ-6312-A pulley is a Ford industrial part, I purchased 10
of these in 1986 from (TIPCO) Tuban Industrial Products Company "Ford
Power Products" in Mountain View Ca. This TIPCO pulley is an updated
Tiger pulley (looks like the original pulley on steroids, see photos)
The original Tiger pulley is stamped metal, the TIPCO appears to be
machined from a solid piece of metal, lathe marks are visible. The Tiger
weighs 1 pound 2 oz. the TIPCO weighs 2 pounds 12 oz. I measure the dia.
of the Tiger pulley as 6 3/32". 
TIPCO C4JZ-6312-A box label note the "5-82" date..
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/21606493/356001330.jpg 
- 
Box label close up. 
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/21606493/356001333.jpg 
- 
Shipping label. note products Gas & Diesel Engines-Power Units-Generator
Sets. 
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/21606493/356001334.jpg 
- 
Part number on pulley. 
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/21606493/356001335.jpg 
- 
Pulleys nose to nose,Tiger on right. 
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/21606493/356001340.jpg 
- 
Front view Tiger on right. 
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/21606493/356001343.jpg 
- 
Back to back, Tiger on top. 
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/21606493/356001345.jpg 
- 
Pulley comparison, Tiger on left, TIPCO middle, 1962-64 "C2OZ" standard
Ford on right. 
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/21606493/356001347.jpg 
As you can see the C2OZ pulley won't work on the Tiger as it is too
deep. 

I don't know if the "TIPCO" Ford pulley is still available, List price
in Aug.1986 was $21.85. 
David Franchi

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Feb 24 14:11:38 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:11:38 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] pulley research
In-Reply-To: <BAY141-DAV13F30E67550475CDC7EEEDADAF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <33363FF8F2C14656A9660FA1B9F917D9@ronpc1>

David
	Great pictures; it looks like the TIPCO pulley has a wider groove
and can run a 1/2" belt or is that just my parallax vision kicking in.
This definitely eliminates the C2OZ pulley from consideration.

Thanks for the information.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: David or Gary [mailto:wwwdg at webtv.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:02 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Cc: 'Teepen, Jere'; 'Scattt'; 'Steve Laifman'; rfraser at bluefrog.com
Subject: Re: [Tigers] pulley research


The Tiger C4JZ-6312-A pulley is a Ford industrial part, I purchased 10 of
these in 1986 from (TIPCO) Tuban Industrial Products Company "Ford Power
Products" in Mountain View Ca. This TIPCO pulley is an updated Tiger pulley
(looks like the original pulley on steroids, see photos) The original Tiger
pulley is stamped metal, the TIPCO appears to be machined from a solid piece
of metal, lathe marks are visible. The Tiger weighs 1 pound 2 oz. the TIPCO
weighs 2 pounds 12 oz. I measure the dia. of the Tiger pulley as 6 3/32".

From sganz at pacbell.net  Tue Feb 24 14:41:30 2009
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:41:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Wheel Change Offset Calculator
Message-ID: <363213.53154.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

In messing with wheel offsets and changes I put up a simple calculator that helps with that. Someone posted one a long while back but I figured just do it as it will be useful for the collection of simple calculators.

http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/WheelOffsetCalc.html

The calculator is used to help see where a wheel moved based on a stock dimension and the new. It's not much more complicated then it looks. 

HTH

Sandy

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 24 15:34:06 2009
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:34:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] pulley research
Message-ID: <172120.10570.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Well Listers,  thought since I found the company that sold that pulley I would
call and ask if it was still available. Unfortunately, sometime in 1989 they
sold the last one. Both they and Fird show it as an obsolute part. IF we could
find what truck/car/ van etc it was made for, then maybe there might be a
chance of one still being in a salvage yard BUT they have crushed all the god
cars to make room for thro awys models.
At least the Fairmont pulley supposedly works. Mine looks like it has 3
grooves but looking closer the fron ring isnt made for a belt, so ther are
only two places for belt fitment.
35 days until April. Winter will be over in about 3 months for Mark and the
other NE members and its super warm in Denver today. Its time to get the fluds
checked and dont forget to check the tire pressure.
TtT

--- On Tue, 2/24/09, David or Gary <wwwdg at webtv.net> wrote:


From: David or Gary <wwwdg at webtv.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] pulley research
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Cc: "'Steve Laifman'" <SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 1:02 PM


The Tiger C4JZ-6312-A pulley is a Ford industrial part, I purchased 10
of these in 1986 from (TIPCO) Tuban Industrial Products Company "Ford
Power Products" in Mountain View Ca. This TIPCO pulley is an updated
Tiger pulley (looks like the original pulley on steroids, see photos)
The original Tiger pulley is stamped metal, the TIPCO appears to be
machined from a solid piece of metal, lathe marks are visible. The Tiger
weighs 1 pound 2 oz. the TIPCO weighs 2 pounds 12 oz. I measure the dia.
of the Tiger pulley as 6 3/32".
TIPCO C4JZ-6312-A box label note the "5-82" date..
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/21606493/356001330.jpg
-
Box label close up.
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/21606493/356001333.jpg
-
Shipping label. note products Gas & Diesel Engines-Power Units-Generator
Sets.
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/21606493/356001334.jpg
-
Part number on pulley.
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/21606493/356001335.jpg
-
Pulleys nose to nose,Tiger on right.
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/21606493/356001340.jpg
-
Front view Tiger on right.
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/21606493/356001343.jpg
-
Back to back, Tiger on top.
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/21606493/356001345.jpg
-
Pulley comparison, Tiger on left, TIPCO middle, 1962-64 "C2OZ" standard
Ford on right.
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/21606493/356001347.jpg
As you can see the C2OZ pulley won't work on the Tiger as it is too
deep.

I don't know if the "TIPCO" Ford pulley is still available, List price
in Aug.1986 was $21.85.
David Franchi
Tigers at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers

http://www.team.net/archive

From amberlychamberlain at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 25 14:21:26 2009
From: amberlychamberlain at sbcglobal.net (Amberly Chamberlain)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:21:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] tiger air dam and block off plates
Message-ID: <352101.30689.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Can someone let me know who to contact for a set of the aluminum air dam and
horn block off plates?  If someone has drawing or instructions to make it that
would be great too.  If someone else is looking for one let me know and I will
get several made.
 
 
cheers
 
frank

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Wed Feb 25 14:44:46 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:44:46 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] tiger air dam and block off plates
In-Reply-To: <352101.30689.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <352101.30689.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49A5BBCE.20706@SoCal.rr.com>

Sure, Frank,

Here is the link to a "TigersUnited.com" article (Cool It, Buddy!) for 
instructions and patterns to block-off the horn holes and handle your 
cooling air flow for greatest efficiency with the least effort.  And, 
it's not visible as well.

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp


Steve

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Amberly Chamberlain wrote:
> Can someone let me know who to contact for a set of the aluminum air dam and
> horn block off plates?  If someone has drawing or instructions to make it that
> would be great too.  If someone else is looking for one let me know and I will
> get several made.
>  
>  
> cheers
>  
> frank

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Wed Feb 25 15:55:37 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:55:37 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] "Roundtable on Ackerman Angle"
Message-ID: <49A5CC69.8020000@SoCal.rr.com>

There is a good set of comments, from your favorite "Listers" on 
"Ackerman Angle", and "Fixes"

Worth the read!

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/AckermanAngle/pt-AckermanAngle1.asp

Steve

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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Wed Feb 25 16:05:27 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:05:27 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tire question....Oh...no.........
In-Reply-To: <000001c99632$6b606360$42212a20$@rr.com>
References: <20090223190306.126U4.133619.root@cdptpa-web18-z01>
	<49A30F54.9060904@SoCal.rr.com> <49A356AB.5090402@SoCal.rr.com>
	<000001c99632$6b606360$42212a20$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <49A5CEB7.6080104@SoCal.rr.com>

Duke,

The issue is not only tire width and outside diameter, but wheel offset 
and diameter as well.  The original wheels had (as I recall) a -0.25" 
offset.  Some replacement wheels have none, or positive.  Usually marked 
on the inside of the rim.

This combines to make the rear tires hit the welded joint between the 
fender lips outside metal, and the inside wheel arch.  They are fastened 
together by (I recall) spot welds on the matching horizontal surfaces 
and an offset change can make the sidewall connect to the lips.

On the front wheels, the interference would be on the bottom lip of the 
front of the wheel well.

The interference with the body in other places inside the wheel well 
should be checked, as well.

Confound this with wider rims, and larger diameter tires, and you have 
some "adjusting" to do.

using the TigersUnited.com "SEARCH" feature for "wheel"
A lot of older Tech Notes on "Wheels and Tyres" is at:

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-wheel2.asp

Steve

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Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



Samouce's wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I can't stand the rubbing in the rear of my Tiger any more.  I need new 13"
> tires but am having a hell of a time deciding on some.
>
> I have J.A. Pierce staggered wheels.  Currently the fronts have 175 70 R13
> and the back 215 60 R13 which are obviously too big for the wheels.
>
> I do not want the car any lower than it already is.  I am wandering what
> would 175 70 13 fronts and 195 60 13 in the rear would do to the car.  I
> have a 3.08 rear and the OEM 4 speed.
>
> Any advice is welcome.  The BF Goodrich Radial T/A's on the car are dated
> 2002.
>
> Duke
> B382002037
>
> PS - I did check the archives fist.  Still, confused.

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Feb 25 16:57:34 2009
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:57:34 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Beijing Tiger Owner
Message-ID: <d86d088a0902251557w196e0689y3562f6ff11a23b70@mail.gmail.com>

A friend took this on his lunch break in Beijing on 25/02/2009.. i wonder if
the owner is an ex-pat.. is a tiger enthusiast or just went "hmm.. ford..
tiger is a good charecter.." or maybe they make the stickers.. either way..
a Sunbeam Tiger logo is kicking round Beijing!!!

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2904144230054462410MScavd

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Wed Feb 25 17:30:31 2009
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:30:31 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Not Tiger, but some nice vintage car films
Message-ID: <20090226003032.KSVZF.169190.root@cdptpa-web11-z01>

Really liked the D type lap at LeMans with 1955 winner.

http://www.britishbarnfinds.com/Old_Movies.html

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Wed Feb 25 17:48:57 2009
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:48:57 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] T-5 speedometer drive gears
Message-ID: <6F5EEA0394FD4625828250269F5375D2@student2>

I know many have put the T-5 in their Tigers and was hoping someone could 
lend some assistance. One of my side projects is a 2.3 Turbo/ T-5 in a 1973 
Pinto.  When it came time to hook up the speedometer I took the Pinto cable 
(from a C-4 automatic) and gear (18 tooth) and simply installed it in the 
T-5. Visually it was a perfect fit.  It seemed to fit right in and the 
speedometer worked - for about a mile. Upon returning home I checked both 
ends and the cable and speedometer seem fine.

  However, I am no longer getting any "drive" from the transmission. I 
swapped in the T-5, 17 tooth gear and still nothing. There is absolutely no 
damage what so ever to the cable gears (either the 18 tooth or the 17 
tooth).  There was absolutely no debris when I removed the drive end of the 
cable.  Putting my finger into the hole and turning the driveshaft gives an 
even cadence to the transmission side of the gear and thus I assume the 
teeth are all still there.  I even reinstalled the donor car electronic 
sensor with it's original gear but am not getting pulses.

I'm baffled that the teeth all seem present though admittedly the 
transmission side is by feel since I can not position myself to see it (I 
tried, even with mirrors). If I did something to damage the internal gear, 
wouldn't something show on the cable gear?  Again, the cable gears are 
perfect. The cable drives the speedometer. I pulled and pushed the cable. In 
either direction the speedometer still read.

Anyway, if any of my Tiger brethren have any ideas I would sure appreciate 
it.  Please respond off list as this is Tiger associated, but not Tiger 
specific.  Thanks, Tom 


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From tigerfixer at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 25 19:08:05 2009
From: tigerfixer at yahoo.com (Bill Martin)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:08:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Hollywood Sports Ccar logo
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a0902191452u7e63ef7bh9723b22e90b01e29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <413544.93115.qm@web63808.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

 Michael,
 Chris Vandargriff still owns the rights to the HSC logo. He is the
 owner of HMSA and I would talk to him first before I start making 
 them. It was also Hollywood Sport Cars.
 Bill


--- On Thu, 2/19/09, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Tigers] Hollywood Sports Ccar logo
> To: "tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 2:52 PM
> Listers,
> 
> I was playing around the other day and made this.. its a
> first cut, so
> ,little refining to do. I found a copy of a small HSC
> logo.. so have been
> making one if peoepl want to do a window decal etc. Will
> have a final
> version soon.
> 
> http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2248686970054462410XZiJYF
> 
> -- 
> Regards
> 
> Michael King
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From wwwdg at webtv.net  Thu Feb 26 15:05:50 2009
From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:05:50 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] pulley research, more
In-Reply-To: " Ron Fraser" <rfraser@bluefrog.com>'s message of Tue, 24
	Feb 2009 16:11:38 -0500
Message-ID: <BAY141-DAV175774810850C3F2298B8ADAD0@phx.gbl>

I have had a few questions on the width of the TIPCO pulley. It is 1/2"
wide but it has the same "V" angle as the original 3/8" wide Tiger
pulley. Ford probably made it wider so it would fit the 3/8' and 1/2"
fan belts to cover more applications? It is odd they didn't
update/revise the part number letter suffix to a "B" (C4JZ-6312-B) as
they normally do on updated parts. Photo links below are of a Tiger 3/8"
fan belt in the pulley grove.
David
-
http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/21606493/356265957.jpg
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http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/21606493/356265959.jpg

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Thu Feb 26 20:35:46 2009
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:35:46 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] My "LAT 18" Tiger jacket is finished....
In-Reply-To: <BAY141-DAV175774810850C3F2298B8ADAD0@phx.gbl>
References: " Ron Fraser" <rfraser@bluefrog.com>'s message of Tue, 24
	Feb 2009 16:11:38 -0500 <BAY141-DAV175774810850C3F2298B8ADAD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000601c9988c$7a188340$6e4989c0$@rr.com>

It took a month for the alterations to be complete....and lots on nagging.

The foundation was an a2z racing Steve McQueen deluxe Le Mans jacket ($200).

I then had the blue stripe removed and replaced by black and then some
patches added, removed and moved.  The liner had to come out because it was
way too thick.  A new liner was made and installed.  I am very happy with
the results.  Alterations were $130.  So at $330, it was not cheap, but I
think worth it.

I need to get some dirt on it now, it's too white.

Pictures below - 

http://e28-535i.com/upload/Tigerjkt1.JPG

http://e28-535i.com/upload/Tigerjkt2.JPG

http://e28-535i.com/upload/Tigerjkt3.JPG


See you at Suni!

Duke 
B382002037

From sganz at pacbell.net  Fri Feb 27 09:23:04 2009
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 08:23:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] My "LAT 18" Tiger jacket is finished....
References: " Ron Fraser" <rfraser@bluefrog.com>'s message of Tue, 24
	Feb 2009 16:11:38 -0500 <BAY141-DAV175774810850C3F2298B8ADAD0@phx.gbl>
	<000601c9988c$7a188340$6e4989c0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <497812.15156.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

That is really nice! You should get the a2z guys to make up a run. I would get
one. And if you do need someone to make it a bit dirty I can definitly help!
Sandy



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From: Samouce's <wsamouce at kc.rr.com>
To:
tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:35:46 PM
Subject:
[Tigers] My "LAT 18" Tiger jacket is finished....

It took a month for the
alterations to be complete....and lots on nagging.

The foundation was an a2z
racing Steve McQueen deluxe Le Mans jacket ($200).

I then had the blue stripe
removed and replaced by black and then some
patches added, removed and moved. 
The liner had to come out because it was
way too thick.  A new liner was made
and installed.  I am very happy with
the results.  Alterations were $130.  So
at $330, it was not cheap, but I
think worth it.

I need to get some dirt on
it now, it's too white.

Pictures below -
http://e28-535i.com/upload/Tigerjkt1.JPG
http://e28-535i.com/upload/Tigerjkt2.JPG
http://e28-535i.com/upload/Tigerjkt3.JPG


See you at Suni!

Duke 
B382002037
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Fri Feb 27 09:46:53 2009
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:46:53 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Another kind of Tiger
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From brockctella at juno.com  Fri Feb 27 11:29:21 2009
From: brockctella at juno.com (Brock C Tella)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 10:29:21 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] T5 Transmission
Message-ID: <20090227.102922.336.12.BrockCTella@juno.com>

I have had this transmission in my car for over 16 years. Apparently I
over filled it, and to this day, there is transmission fluid coming off
the top of the transmission. Is there an overflow hole on top? Someone
said there was a plate on top that is spewing the fluid? Any help,thanks.
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From Rollright at aol.com  Fri Feb 27 12:32:19 2009
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:32:19 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Iron brake masters
Message-ID: <c26.53786d35.36d999c3@aol.com>

Hello all,
 
There is a guy on E-Bay selling brake masters with iron bodies.
 
Memory says that there is a spring that goes south in the originals. Does  
anyone know if the internals of the iron version would work in the original  
aluminum body?
 
Best regards,
 
 
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From v8tracker at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 13:04:52 2009
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:04:52 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] T5 Transmission
In-Reply-To: <20090227.102922.336.12.BrockCTella@juno.com>
References: <20090227.102922.336.12.BrockCTella@juno.com>
Message-ID: <7EF3D361E9C6499EB7F3B4E4B24B1C93@DellD4700>

Brock,

There is a top plate in which the shifter mechanism is housed. There should
be a gasket or bead of sealer between it and the transmission case which
could be leaking. I would guess that there is a good bit of ATF
splashed/flung by the gears to the top of the case. If the gasket was
crimped or the sealer spread unevenly, this could be seeping through as it
runs back down, even if the trans was not overfilled.

Have you tried taking the filler plug out to check the level? You should be
able to use a turkey baster (maybe with a rubber hose attached to the end)
to remove as much of the fluid as you want. I advise giving your wife a new
one first and using the old one, rather than buying and using a new one.
Don't ask how I know.

There is also the old story of synthetics always finding the leaks. If you
are using synthetic, you could try dino ATF as a last resort.

HTH,
A. C. Tynes
New Orleans

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> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brock C Tella
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 12:29 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] T5 Transmission
> 
> I have had this transmission in my car for over 16 years. 
> Apparently I over filled it, and to this day, there is 
> transmission fluid coming off the top of the transmission. Is 
> there an overflow hole on top? Someone said there was a plate 
> on top that is spewing the fluid? Any help,thanks.
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Feb 27 13:56:18 2009
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:56:18 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] T5 Transmission
In-Reply-To: <20090227.102922.336.12.BrockCTella@juno.com>
Message-ID: <E09C199DC5B54F54AA320EEF5CE1AB62@ronpc1>

Brock
	I'm looking at my 1988 Ford manual, T5 exploded view; there is a
vent shown on the tail shaft casting on the top part of the front flange
that mounts to the gear box.

Vent part # = 7034 with an O-ring # 87008-S

Capacity 5.6 pints

RTV sealant is used on the shifter plate and the top cover.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Brock C Tella
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 1:29 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] T5 Transmission


I have had this transmission in my car for over 16 years. Apparently I over
filled it, and to this day, there is transmission fluid coming off the top
of the transmission. Is there an overflow hole on top? Someone said there
was a plate on top that is spewing the fluid? Any help,thanks.
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Fri Feb 27 15:30:51 2009
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:30:51 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Duke's LAT 18 BIG Tiger patch
In-Reply-To: <7EF3D361E9C6499EB7F3B4E4B24B1C93@DellD4700>
References: <20090227.102922.336.12.BrockCTella@juno.com>
	<7EF3D361E9C6499EB7F3B4E4B24B1C93@DellD4700>
Message-ID: <001101c9992b$0baab4b0$23001e10$@rr.com>

Due to multiple private email questions - 

The patch on the back of my jacket is from CAT.

The patch on the front is from ebay.  SS did not have them and the small CAT
patch is CAT specific.

Duke
B382002037

From sjhcobra1 at cs.com  Fri Feb 27 21:35:24 2009
From: sjhcobra1 at cs.com (sjhcobra1 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 23:35:24 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] tiger air dam and block off plates
In-Reply-To: <352101.30689.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <352101.30689.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CB67751B4F09DF-D2C-16D1@WEBMAIL-DY12.sysops.aol.com>

Frank:

Mike Scharf makes a vey nice set.? He can be reached at Triumphkid at msn.com.

Steve Halbrook


-----Original Message-----
From: Amberly Chamberlain <amberlychamberlain at sbcglobal.net>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 4:21 pm
Subject: [Tigers] tiger air dam and block off plates



Can someone let me know who to contact for a set of the aluminum air dam and
horn block off plates?  If someone has drawing or instructions to make it that
would be great too.  If someone else is looking for one let me know and I will
get several made.
 
 
cheers
 
frank
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From geowiz.sgy at cox.net  Fri Feb 27 22:49:22 2009
From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 23:49:22 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Retro-fitting fresh air vents
Message-ID: <CEE4F37CAB6D47D1BAEABA09DB68C8CD@JEPHome>

I've successfully cut the holes for the fresh air vents without screwing up
the new paint job.  Now I've got a few questions before proceeding.

1) According to the instructions I downloaded from TigerEngineering.net,
"Install the rebuilt vent housings into the shells and rivet them in place as
described in last months Tip".  And where would I find that?  The rivets can't
look that pretty.  Any other ideas?

2) Where do the drain hoses go?  A photo would really help.

3) Just to satisfy my curiosity, the Series V lower dash has a vertical flange
on the passenger side end.  It is lacking on my car.  What is it for?

4) Unrelated to any of the above, should the JAL tag and the screws holding it
be painted the same color as the body?  I assume so, but when I got mine it
was just covered with red primer.

Thanks!

Jim Pickard
B9473298 ('65 Tiger)
AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold
2003 Mini Cooper
Lafayette, LA

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Sat Feb 28 08:21:11 2009
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:21:11 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] tiger air dam and block off plates
In-Reply-To: <8CB67751B4F09DF-D2C-16D1@WEBMAIL-DY12.sysops.aol.com>
References: <352101.30689.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<8CB67751B4F09DF-D2C-16D1@WEBMAIL-DY12.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000601c999b8$305b45d0$9111d170$@rr.com>

Frank,

I made some HH blocking plates- 

http://e28-535i.com/upload/HHP1
http://e28-535i.com/upload/HHP2
http://e28-535i.com/upload/HHP3

I used thin aluminum from home depot, weather strip and black paint.  The
hole is not necessary.  I was going to rivet a bracket to hold the piece in
but friction holds it in place and it is on the forward side of the bulkhead
and also has the air pressure to hold them.

I have the cardboard template somewhere.  I would be happy to send it to
you.

Duke
B382002037

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of sjhcobra1 at cs.com
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 22:35
To: amberlychamberlain at sbcglobal.net; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger air dam and block off plates

Frank:

Mike Scharf makes a vey nice set.? He can be reached at Triumphkid at msn.com.

Steve Halbrook


-----Original Message-----
From: Amberly Chamberlain <amberlychamberlain at sbcglobal.net>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 4:21 pm
Subject: [Tigers] tiger air dam and block off plates



Can someone let me know who to contact for a set of the aluminum air dam and
horn block off plates?  If someone has drawing or instructions to make it
that
would be great too.  If someone else is looking for one let me know and I
will
get several made.
 
 
cheers
 
frank
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Feb 28 08:41:07 2009
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:41:07 EST
Subject: [Tigers] tiger air dam and block off plates
Message-ID: <d41.3704c21f.36dab513@aol.com>

When I did  mine I made new mounting pieces for the  horns....about 2" longer 
than the originals.  This pushed the horns outside  and out of the way of the 
blocking plate.  Then just had to drill a hole  for the wires in the 
plate......used a rubber grommet to protect the  wires.
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Sat Feb 28 08:42:57 2009
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:42:57 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] tiger air dam and block off plates
In-Reply-To: <d41.3704c21f.36dab513@aol.com>
References: <d41.3704c21f.36dab513@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c999bb$3a8d1b70$afa75250$@rr.com>

That is a great idea.

 

Duke

 

From: CoolVT at aol.com [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 09:41
To: wsamouce at kc.rr.com; Sjhcobra1 at cs.com; amberlychamberlain at sbcglobal.net;
tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger air dam and block off plates

 

When I did  mine I made new mounting pieces for the horns....about 2" longer
than the originals.  This pushed the horns outside and out of the way of the
blocking plate.  Then just had to drill a hole for the wires in the
plate......used a rubber grommet to protect the wires.

Mark   L

 

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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Sat Feb 28 08:50:44 2009
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 09:50:44 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Correction on my "LAT 18" jacket....
In-Reply-To: <d41.3704c21f.36dab513@aol.com>
References: <d41.3704c21f.36dab513@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c999bc$5101e5b0$f305b110$@rr.com>

The jacket I started with is from SafeRacer - 

 

http://www.saferacer.com/lemans-steve-mcqueen-signature-le-mans-style-jacket
.html?productid=1233

 

Sorry for the confusion.

 

Duke

From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Feb 28 09:06:04 2009
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:06:04 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Headers vs  stock manifold
Message-ID: <bdc.3fa1d63a.36dabaec@aol.com>

A while back someone referred to a performance study comparing  the stock 
exhaust manifold with headers.  When I put my engine back in this  Spring I have 
to decide if I want to bother with the headers.   The  CAT version headers run 
so close to things that I ended up putting a heat shield  over the fuel line, 
the starter and the shorty oil filter.  I had to put  "heat protecting socks" 
over 2 of the spark plug wires. They make getting to the  mounting  for 
clutch slave pretty difficult  too.  
As I remember someone had posted that from dyno results the HP  would only 
begin to suffer above 5,000 RPM's.    So, anyone have  anything concrete to help 
in my decision?

Thanks, 
Mark
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From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Sat Feb 28 09:13:15 2009
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:13:15 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Headers vs  stock manifold
In-Reply-To: <bdc.3fa1d63a.36dabaec@aol.com>
References: <bdc.3fa1d63a.36dabaec@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001401c999bf$76500a10$62f01e30$@rr.com>

Mark,

Something else to consider - I have run my fuel line up the back of the
engine to the back of the carb and put a heat insulating sleeve over it.  I
did this because of fuel vaporization problems due to so much of the fuel
line being exposed to the engine compartment heat and the proximity to the
stock exhaust manifold and down tube.  Also, did you have the headers
ceramic coated?  I just had the stock manifolds coated and there is a big
difference in the engine compartment heat.

I would also like to see what the LAT try Y manifolds would do in a
comparison.

Duke
B382002037

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:06
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Headers vs stock manifold

A while back someone referred to a performance study comparing  the stock 
exhaust manifold with headers.  When I put my engine back in this  Spring I
have 
to decide if I want to bother with the headers.   The  CAT version headers
run 
so close to things that I ended up putting a heat shield  over the fuel
line, 
the starter and the shorty oil filter.  I had to put  "heat protecting
socks" 
over 2 of the spark plug wires. They make getting to the  mounting  for 
clutch slave pretty difficult  too.  
As I remember someone had posted that from dyno results the HP  would only 
begin to suffer above 5,000 RPM's.    So, anyone have  anything concrete to
help 
in my decision?

Thanks, 
Mark
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From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Sat Feb 28 09:27:51 2009
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:27:51 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Retro-fitting fresh air vents
In-Reply-To: <CEE4F37CAB6D47D1BAEABA09DB68C8CD@JEPHome>
References: <CEE4F37CAB6D47D1BAEABA09DB68C8CD@JEPHome>
Message-ID: <896D1244C8454F1DABF3EDE5A9AA231A@jerry>

I know this is going to sound like "are you nuts", but there is a product
that is available at paint and body stores that is called "panel bond" It's
yes, a "glue". Quite expensive but incredibly strong and water proof. I
don't know how many of you are familiar with early Mustangs, but they have a
BIG problem with rusting in the cowl area where fresh air enters the inside
of the car. New pieces are available, but to weld them in is a BIG hassle,
Panel bond to the rescue, it's a two part that uses a special applicator gun
and I think it would work in your situation. Tests of this product shows
that it is stronger than the steel it's applied to.
Check it out.

Jerry Christopherson
9473187         

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of James E. Pickard
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 11:49 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Retro-fitting fresh air vents

I've successfully cut the holes for the fresh air vents without screwing up
the new paint job.  Now I've got a few questions before proceeding.

1) According to the instructions I downloaded from TigerEngineering.net,
"Install the rebuilt vent housings into the shells and rivet them in place
as
described in last months Tip".  And where would I find that?  The rivets
can't
look that pretty.  Any other ideas?

2) Where do the drain hoses go?  A photo would really help.

3) Just to satisfy my curiosity, the Series V lower dash has a vertical
flange
on the passenger side end.  It is lacking on my car.  What is it for?

4) Unrelated to any of the above, should the JAL tag and the screws holding
it
be painted the same color as the body?  I assume so, but when I got mine it
was just covered with red primer.

Thanks!

Jim Pickard
B9473298 ('65 Tiger)
AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold
2003 Mini Cooper
Lafayette, LA
Tigers at autox.team.net
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From MWood24020 at aol.com  Sat Feb 28 10:53:03 2009
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:53:03 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Headers vs  stock manifold
Message-ID: <bf1.4adf5c33.36dad3ff@aol.com>

I'd like to see real dyno data, as well. Some of the headers I've seen on  
Tigers I'd have to question whether there is any real help on the top end,  
looking at the bends, kinks etc. in the tubing. But, the Belanger type headers  
look pretty good. The Tri-Y design is meant to enhance lower end power, but I  
seem to remember they were tested and were poor performers...
 
Of course, it is all guess work without real numbers, on the same dyno, on  
the same day...
 
 
In a message dated 2/28/2009 8:18:42 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
wsamouce at kc.rr.com writes:

Mark,

Something else to consider - I have run my fuel line up  the back of the
engine to the back of the carb and put a heat insulating  sleeve over it.  I
did this because of fuel vaporization problems due  to so much of the fuel
line being exposed to the engine compartment heat  and the proximity to the
stock exhaust manifold and down tube.  Also,  did you have the headers
ceramic coated?  I just had the stock  manifolds coated and there is a big
difference in the engine compartment  heat.

I would also like to see what the LAT try Y manifolds would do in  a
comparison.

Duke
B382002037

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Sent:  Saturday, February 28, 2009 10:06
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Subject:  [Tigers] Headers vs stock manifold

A while back someone referred to a  performance study comparing  the stock 
exhaust manifold with  headers.  When I put my engine back in this  Spring I
have 
to  decide if I want to bother with the headers.   The  CAT version  headers
run 
so close to things that I ended up putting a heat  shield  over the fuel
line, 
the starter and the shorty oil  filter.  I had to put  "heat protecting
socks" 
over 2 of the  spark plug wires. They make getting to the  mounting  for 
clutch  slave pretty difficult  too.  
As I remember someone had posted  that from dyno results the HP  would only 
begin to suffer above 5,000  RPM's.    So, anyone have  anything concrete to
help 
in  my decision?

Thanks, 
Mark
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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Sat Feb 28 11:33:07 2009
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:33:07 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] tiger air dam and block off plates
In-Reply-To: <000a01c999bb$3a8d1b70$afa75250$@rr.com>
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Lot's of List discussion about cooling and block-off plates.  Here is 
what I did, including design drawings and photographs.

Went from abusing friends driveways with green puddles to no overheating 
at any speeds from traffic stop and go to uphill at 105F air temp.

Block-off plate designs patterns and installation photos included (along 
with the other stuff that needs attention).

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp

Luck,

Steve

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Samouce's wrote:
> That is a great idea.
>
>  
>
> Duke
>
>  
>
> From: CoolVT at aol.com [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 09:41
> To: wsamouce at kc.rr.com; Sjhcobra1 at cs.com; amberlychamberlain at sbcglobal.net;
> tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger air dam and block off plates
>
>  
>
> When I did  mine I made new mounting pieces for the horns....about 2" longer
> than the originals.  This pushed the horns outside and out of the way of the
> blocking plate.  Then just had to drill a hole for the wires in the
> plate......used a rubber grommet to protect the wires.
>
> Mark   L

From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Feb 28 12:58:58 2009
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 14:58:58 EST
Subject: [Tigers] tiger air dam and block off plates
Message-ID: <bd6.4a185383.36daf182@aol.com>

Oh, and I should have added on my set up for  blocking plates that much of 
what I did came from ideas in Steve L's  article.  Thank you Steve.
Mark  L


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From phastphill at aol.com  Sat Feb 28 14:21:55 2009
From: phastphill at aol.com (phastphill at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:21:55 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tire question....Oh...no.........
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I have the same, on panasports.....work well ,no rubbing


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Sent: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 9:47 am
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tire question....Oh...no.........



I have sumitomo 205/60 13s. 

No rubbing. On LAT 70s. Seem to work great. 

195/60s on the front. 


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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sat Feb 28 20:26:09 2009
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:26:09 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Headers vs  stock manifold
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Message-ID: <45D6DBC4749B4B1DA62929FB31088828@student2>

Mark,

How all this factors into the small block Ford, I don't know:

   Not relate to the Tiger, I did reply to this list as a general regard to 
headers vs stock manifolds - on a Mopar 360, 300 HP Crate motor.  In that 
test the stock manifolds from even a lowly 318 were compared to the best TTI 
headers (about $800) and there was only about 10 HP difference at slightly 
above 5,000 RPM.  Mopar's also have a special 340 performance manifold that 
aren't cheap either (about $400). These only added about 3-5 HP and were 
actually down in the lower RPM's. All stock manifolds has a 24" extension 
attached at the time of the test.

http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/techarticles/155_0307_mopar_crate_engine_exhaust/pictures.html
Click on the Dyno Sheet at the end of the article.

  A-Body Mopar's have steering box, torsion bar clearance issues and many 
elect to go with the stock manifolds. I have a warmed over 318 in a '73 
Valiant. I used the stock manifolds, but I did all I could to improve their 
flow.

 Anyway, your question seemed similar to something I had previously posted 
and if it was what triggered your memory I wanted you to have this info as a 
reference.
Tom


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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sat Feb 28 21:17:38 2009
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:17:38 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] "Queens English" Car Show So.Cal. March 8th, Woodley Park
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For all the So. Cal. Tigers there is the "Queens English" car show at 
Woodley Park (Van Nuys) on Sunday March 8th.  http://www.queens-english.org/ 
It looks like it starts at 9:00AM and the CAT web site lists it as the 
location for the CAT general meeting at 11:00AM.

They are also having something called an "Auto Jumble."  As best I can tell 
is a parts swap.
Tom 


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