From kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com Sat Aug 1 10:31:39 2009 From: kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com (kevin beck) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 12:31:39 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] convertable top storage Message-ID: <22507f140908010931j699dcbb4wa63992dc385605@mail.gmail.com> Have a 65 tiger, but don't have the metal panels for the top storage not sure if I'm going to try to find the panels or convert it to the later version. Had a 66 alpine parts car years ago that I took some pieces off. Does anyone have some good pictures of their stowage area or maybe some ideas. Would it be possible to make some metal panels? Thanks Kevin From robin02 at mindspring.com Sat Aug 1 11:17:56 2009 From: robin02 at mindspring.com (Robin Young) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 13:17:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] convertable top storage In-Reply-To: <22507f140908010931j699dcbb4wa63992dc385605@mail.gmail.com> References: <22507f140908010931j699dcbb4wa63992dc385605@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5343E8257AAF4C558C71C95C5CB353D5@RobinLaptop> Kevin. Mike Schreiner can get you what you need. Robin -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of kevin beck Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 12:32 PM To: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] convertable top storage Have a 65 tiger, but don't have the metal panels for the top storage not sure if I'm going to try to find the panels or convert it to the later version. Had a 66 alpine parts car years ago that I took some pieces off. Does anyone have some good pictures of their stowage area or maybe some ideas. Would it be possible to make some metal panels? Thanks Kevin From achd73 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 1 16:37:50 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 15:37:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] rust removal/small parts In-Reply-To: <22507f140908010931j699dcbb4wa63992dc385605@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <576741.8607.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Recently someone ask about removing rust from small parts. I had saved a method I had not seen prior to that date although I was aware of using a battery charger or a battery etc etc. If the person asking for the information will contact me off list I will provide the information I have and perhaps more. I posted it to the LIST previously but w/ the AOL problem and perhaps the LIST mail acting up, the requestee may well not have read the post. Kevin if you buy the pieces on epay this will work well for the hinge that is rusty. This method will work on large parts too- IF you have a container they will submerse in. TonytheTiger missing the party at Dougs home in Dayton. "DAMMIT" From achd73 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 1 16:44:40 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 15:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Fw: Gas Tank plating /rust removal Message-ID: <460780.41657.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is the email I saved from the plating group. I know I posted it recently but since, someone ask about rust removal. so Im resending the orginal post. I havent goggled TtT > > > Hello Kirk, type 'electrolytic rust removal' > into > > google > > > and you will find > > > hundreds of remedies. The one I use is salt and > a > > car > > > battery , using a > > > series of side lamp bulbs as voltage/current > droppers, > > easy > > > peasy, and cheap > > > as chips, try 3 x 5 watt bulbs/lamps first and > watch > > the > > > immersion time as the > > > method described can eventually dissolve the > whole > > tank in > > > a worst case > > > scenario. Whilst carrying out the treatment 'suck > and > > see' > > > every 5 mins or so > > > espcially if the tank is thin. I use it myself > with a > > 100% > > > success rate, just > > > remember that more salt or more current equals > more > > > material removed, so use > > > both sparingly until you get used to it. Its the > > cheapest > > > most efficient way I > > > have tried regarding rust removal from > iron/steel > > parts. > > > Hope this helps you > > > out as much as it did myself, just remember that > > despite > > > how little salt or > > > d.c. current you use, it will always strip the > crap > > off > > > steel. Kind regards, > > > Bob. > > > P.S. If you want to get an > > > idea of how well it works, get an old piece > > > of steel, paint your initials in it with > cellulose > > paint > > > then place the steel > > > sheet in a gallon plastic container of water, > that has > > had > > > 2 cups of table > > > salt added to it, connect directly to a good car > > battery > > > for 5 mins. using a > > > copper tube as the anode and connect the steel > sheet > > to the > > > negative side of > > > the battery, DO THIS outdoors, the fumes do not > > promote > > > either a long, or > > > healthy life. When you remove it from solution > your > > > initials should stand out > > > like peeholes in the snow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See the Web's breaking stories, chosen by people > like > > you. > > > Check out Yahoo! > > > Buzz. > > > > > > __._,_.___ > > > Messages in this topic (12) Reply (via web post) > | > > Start a > > > new topic > > > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | > Polls > > | > > > Members | Calendar > > > > > > > > > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > > > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to > Daily > > Digest > > > | Switch format to > > > Traditional > > > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | > > > Unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > > > Recent Activity > > > > > > > > > 8 > > > New MembersVisit Your Group > > > > > > > > > > > > Give Back > > > Yahoo! for Good > > > Get inspired > > > by a good cause. > > > > > > Y! Toolbar > > > Get it Free! > > > easy 1-click access > > > to your groups. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups > > > Start a group > > > in 3 easy steps. > > > Connect with others. > > > . > > > > > > __,_._,___ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > > > http://www.team.net/archive From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Sat Aug 1 16:51:13 2009 From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] 2009 Ventura, CA British Car Meet Report and Pix Message-ID: <3694808.1249167073904.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Anyone interested in the Ventura British Car Meet can read a report and see the pictures from the meet - click on the link below - It was fun and there were a number of unusual cars that are not often seen anywhere in the States. Check it out!! http://www.allcarcentral.com/Ventura_British_Car_Meet_2009.html Regards, Rick Feibusch British Car Network Venice, California From phastphill at aol.com Sun Aug 2 10:43:15 2009 From: phastphill at aol.com (phastphill at aol.com) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 12:43:15 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hey! In-Reply-To: <8CBDE02D5B074EB-1378-1AB5@Webmail-mg03.sim.aol.com> References: <8CBDE02D5B074EB-1378-1AB5@Webmail-mg03.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CBE1A7772C1951-1198-52D2@WEBMAIL-DY39.sysops.aol.com> ---- Original Message ---- From: vegaslegal at aol.com To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2009 9:27 pm Subject: [Tigers] Hey! Today, after having been de-listed, de-frocked, and de-fenestrated, AOL seems to have fixed whatever the issue was, and team.net seems to have un-de-listed me.? Great to be back.? Missed you all. Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Same here....missed the list , glad to be back ________________________________________________________________________ GameVault: Play free online games at Gamevault.ca. Word arcade, puzzle and more. Play now! http://www.gamevault.ca/?icid=AOLGAM00310000000001 From kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com Sun Aug 2 10:53:17 2009 From: kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com (kevin beck) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 12:53:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Thanks Message-ID: <22507f140908020953ja3be960md030bf08c90a3e8e@mail.gmail.com> As usual great response and feedback. Thanks again Kevin From awtiger at cox.net Mon Aug 3 09:06:20 2009 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:06:20 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Need an e-mail address... Message-ID: <20090803110620.GGB13.31195.imail@eastrmwml40> Sorry to bomb the list but can anyone provide me with Mark Rense's e-mail address? Thanks in advance, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740) B9006857LRX From huffb at southslope.net Mon Aug 3 11:25:01 2009 From: huffb at southslope.net (Brad Huff) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:25:01 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Changing oil on an infrequently driven vehicle Message-ID: <86357BE83B5246ADA765AAD47D70F96A@brad78b6f70f51> What do you folks think about oil changes on cars that are not driven regularly. I have had my Tiger stored and although I start it periodicaly it has had very little run time on a Mobil 1 oil change. I have not driven the car for quite some time, my free time did not allow for joy riding. I just got new tires for it so I intend to start driving the car. I changed the oil several years ago but never drove the car. It literally has less than 1 or 2 hours running time on the oil change. The engine is a fresh rebuild so it is not loaded with sludge. I have heard the talk about the need to change the oil based on the time that has passed but with a clean engine and synthetic oil, I wonder how important this is. Let me know what you think.-Brad From rootes1 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 3 11:47:43 2009 From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 10:47:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST Message-ID: Anybody recognize either of these two cars? http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/drag-cars/index.html Norm [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] From achd73 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 3 12:10:22 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Changing oil on an infrequently driven vehicle In-Reply-To: <86357BE83B5246ADA765AAD47D70F96A@brad78b6f70f51> Message-ID: <5521.4892.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Brad- six of one and half a dozen of the other. I can only think of one issue and that would be moisture. Having no idea where you live or temp changes and if the car was in a controled enviorment. Personally I would pull he dip stick and if the oil appeared clean w/ no rust on the dipstick I would drive the car. Ive also not heard of Mobil 1 breaking down during periods of inactivity. Besides, if you recently started the car then you used that oil and if damage was going to happen, then I would think it already has. I would drive the car myself UNLESS it appears milky on the dipstick- if it looks clean, which it should, I know I would use it.Just a IMO responce. That and a buck will get ya a cup of coffee in some locations. TtT --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Brad Huff wrote: > From: Brad Huff > Subject: [Tigers] Changing oil on an infrequently driven vehicle > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 12:25 PM > What do you folks think about oil > changes on cars that are not driven > regularly. I have had my Tiger stored and although I start > it periodicaly it > has had very little run time on a Mobil 1 oil change. I > have not driven the > car for quite some time, my free time did not allow for joy > riding. I just > got new tires for it so I intend to start driving the car. > I changed the oil > several years ago but never drove the car. It literally has > less than 1 or 2 > hours running time on the oil change. The engine is a fresh > rebuild so it is > not loaded with sludge. I have heard the talk about the > need to change the oil > based on the time that has passed but with a clean engine > and synthetic oil, I > wonder how important this is. Let me know what you > think.-Brad > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From achd73 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 3 12:24:41 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:24:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <356688.60298.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I for sure have no idea but I sent the pics to a local detective agency and the report said the pics where more than likely taken in the mid 60s and perhaps as much as into 1968.DUH ! I could tell that by the music playing.If you find more pics of other Tigers, please post them too- it was fun to see the cars and I remember the haircuts. Wonder if the Mk2 guy had any idea what his missing grill would be worth? Maybe he still has it. TtT --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Norman C. Miller wrote: > From: Norman C. Miller > Subject: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 12:47 PM > Anybody recognize either of these two > cars? > > http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/drag-cars/index.html > > Norm > > > [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it > tried > to parse but could not find any section which it could > render. Please send plain text.] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Mon Aug 3 13:36:09 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 12:36:09 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Need an e-mail address... In-Reply-To: <20090803110620.GGB13.31195.imail@eastrmwml40> References: <20090803110620.GGB13.31195.imail@eastrmwml40> Message-ID: <4A773C29.9060402@SoCal.rr.com> Andy, Mark has posted the list many times. His given address was: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com awtiger at cox.net wrote: > Sorry to bomb the list but can anyone provide me with Mark Rense's e-mail address? > > Thanks in advance, > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740) > B9006857LRX > _______________________________________________ From milward at roadrunner.com Mon Aug 3 16:32:44 2009 From: milward at roadrunner.com (Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:32:44 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Auxillary Light Brackets Message-ID: <3268E4D0EDED47FE974197B34E94C4CF@BillPC> A couple of people at SUNI were selling NOS Rootes auxillary Fog/Spot light brackets. They are handed and they only had one side so I did not buy one. I have not been able to find a set so I may have to make one and I need one for a pattern. Anyone out there know who was doing the selling in Rapid City? BillRo From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Mon Aug 3 16:46:14 2009 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo)) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:46:14 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Changing oil on an infrequently driven vehicle In-Reply-To: <86357BE83B5246ADA765AAD47D70F96A@brad78b6f70f51> References: <86357BE83B5246ADA765AAD47D70F96A@brad78b6f70f51> Message-ID: <7D4F0365A4954EC6911F096D0FBCA4F2@jerry> Drive it like you stole it. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Huff Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 12:25 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Changing oil on an infrequently driven vehicle What do you folks think about oil changes on cars that are not driven regularly. I have had my Tiger stored and although I start it periodicaly it has had very little run time on a Mobil 1 oil change. I have not driven the car for quite some time, my free time did not allow for joy riding. I just got new tires for it so I intend to start driving the car. I changed the oil several years ago but never drove the car. It literally has less than 1 or 2 hours running time on the oil change. The engine is a fresh rebuild so it is not loaded with sludge. I have heard the talk about the need to change the oil based on the time that has passed but with a clean engine and synthetic oil, I wonder how important this is. Let me know what you think.-Brad Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From DJoh797014 at aol.com Mon Aug 3 17:34:16 2009 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:34:16 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Changing oil on an infrequently driven vehicle Message-ID: It's my understanding that in addition to lubrication, the oil captures and neutralizes the many acids that are byproducts of combustion. Car makers recommend you get the engine hit enough and long enough to boil the acid off. You can send a sample to a lab and have them anaylize the oil. Or since you spent big $ to rebuild the engine, don't cheap out now. Spend the $35 and change the oil and filter. I would think about using a ZDDP to the oil. Dave 23 Tigers at the Dayton Car Show, !# cars TAC'd (a new record), and great food and bench racing at Doug's. In a message dated 8/3/2009 2:56:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, achd73 at yahoo.com writes: Brad- six of one and half a dozen of the other. I can only think of one issue and that would be moisture. Having no idea where you live or temp changes and if the car was in a controled enviorment. Personally I would pull he dip stick and if the oil appeared clean w/ no rust on the dipstick I would drive the car. Ive also not heard of Mobil 1 breaking down during periods of i nactivity. Besides, if you recently started the car then you used that oil and if damage was going to happen, then I would think it already has. I would drive the car myself UNLESS it appears milky on the dipstick- if it looks clean, which it should, I know I would use it.Just a IMO responce. That and a buck will get ya a cup of coffee in some locations. TtT --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Brad Huff wrote: > From: Brad Huff > Subject: [Tigers] Changing oil on an infrequently driven vehicle > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 12:25 PM > What do you folks think about oil > changes on cars that are not driven > regularly. I have had my Tiger stored and although I start > it periodicaly it > has had very little run time on a Mobil 1 oil change. I > have not driven the > car for quite some time, my free time did not allow for joy > riding. I just > got new tires for it so I intend to start driving the car. > I changed the oil > several years ago but never drove the car. It literally has > less than 1 or 2 > hours running time on the oil change. The engine is a fresh > rebuild so it is > not loaded with sludge. I have heard the talk about the > need to change the oil > based on the time that has passed but with a clean engine > and synthetic oil, I > wonder how important this is. Let me know what you > think.-Brad > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From dave at munroe.ca Mon Aug 3 17:47:53 2009 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:47:53 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Changing oil on an infrequently driven vehicle In-Reply-To: <7D4F0365A4954EC6911F096D0FBCA4F2@jerry> References: <86357BE83B5246ADA765AAD47D70F96A@brad78b6f70f51> <7D4F0365A4954EC6911F096D0FBCA4F2@jerry> Message-ID: <92D6A856FF7045D5B18F136796DFD20F@DavePC> Hah! Great advice! I always do....all the way through every oil change interval! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry & Maureen (Mo)" To: "'Brad Huff'" ; Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Changing oil on an infrequently driven vehicle > Drive it like you stole it. > > Jerry Christopherson > 9473187 > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Brad Huff > Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 12:25 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Changing oil on an infrequently driven vehicle > > What do you folks think about oil changes on cars that are not driven > regularly. I have had my Tiger stored and although I start it periodicaly > it > has had very little run time on a Mobil 1 oil change. I have not driven > the > car for quite some time, my free time did not allow for joy riding. I > just > got new tires for it so I intend to start driving the car. I changed the > oil > several years ago but never drove the car. It literally has less than 1 or > 2 > hours running time on the oil change. The engine is a fresh rebuild so it > is > not loaded with sludge. I have heard the talk about the need to change the > oil > based on the time that has passed but with a clean engine and synthetic > oil, > I > wonder how important this is. Let me know what you think.-Brad > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From achd73 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 3 21:14:03 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:14:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Auxillary Light Brackets In-Reply-To: <3268E4D0EDED47FE974197B34E94C4CF@BillPC> Message-ID: <442959.51380.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To my memory the brackets where on the table that had CAT parts. he and his wife won their class in the beautiful factory or something special Alpine. He is a body man and was against the wall at the near end of the room. The brackets went behind the bumper bolts and what I recall you used them on both L and R sides. My memory isnt so good since the heart attack BUT alas, Steve Acala was his name. Of course I could be wrong but I think they where on his table.TonytheTiger --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories wrote: > From: Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories > Subject: [Tigers] Auxillary Light Brackets > To: "Tigers" > Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 5:32 PM > A couple of people at SUNI were > selling NOS Rootes auxillary Fog/Spot light > brackets. They are handed and they only had one side so I > did not buy one. I > have not been able to find a set so I may have to make one > and I need one for > a pattern. Anyone out there know who was doing the selling > in Rapid City? > > BillRo > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From jim at island.net Mon Aug 3 22:30:45 2009 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:30:45 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST In-Reply-To: <356688.60298.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <356688.60298.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0973CB492F084BDEBCC4771F2938FE3F@JIMPC> "... and the report said the pics where more than likely taken in the mid 60s and perhaps as much as into 1968.DUH ! ..." I dunno, Tony... the 'salt flats' pic has a ( '71 & up ) Pinto in the background ...lol! These cars predate my Tiger days ( first one in '75 ) but it looks like it might say 'Jere Jones' ? on the Driver's door in the one pic... Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody Sent: August 3, 2009 11:25 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net; Norman C. Miller Subject: Re: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST I for sure have no idea but I sent the pics to a local detective agency and the report said the pics where more than likely taken in the mid 60s and perhaps as much as into 1968.DUH ! I could tell that by the music playing.If you find more pics of other Tigers, please post them too- it was fun to see the cars and I remember the haircuts. Wonder if the Mk2 guy had any idea what his missing grill would be worth? Maybe he still has it. TtT --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Norman C. Miller wrote: > From: Norman C. Miller > Subject: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 12:47 PM > Anybody recognize either of these two > cars? > > http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/drag-cars/index.html > > Norm > > > [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it > tried > to parse but could not find any section which it could > render. Please send plain text.] > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 00:17:37 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:17:37 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST In-Reply-To: <0973CB492F084BDEBCC4771F2938FE3F@JIMPC> References: <356688.60298.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0973CB492F084BDEBCC4771F2938FE3F@JIMPC> Message-ID: i wonder how they bolyed a SII alpine hardtop to a S3-V/Tiger screen, it cant use the SI/II side windowes either as it still has the 1/4 light windows -- Regards Michael King From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 05:00:54 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 04:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <913496.92762.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Good question. Perhaps an aftermarket fiberglass unit??????????? --- On Tue, 8/4/09, michael king wrote: > From: michael king > Subject: Re: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST > To: "Jim" > Cc: "Tony Somebody" , tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 1:17 AM > i wonder how they bolyed a SII alpine > hardtop to a S3-V/Tiger screen, it cant use the SI/II side > windowes either as it still has the 1/4 light windows > -- > Regards > > Michael King From Greg.Koss at TRW.COM Tue Aug 4 07:19:06 2009 From: Greg.Koss at TRW.COM (Greg Koss) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:19:06 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST In-Reply-To: References: <356688.60298.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0973CB492F084BDEBCC4771F2938FE3F@JIMPC> Message-ID: <4A77FD09.880C.0076.0@TRW.COM> That is a "Parish Plastics" aftermarket hardtop. >>> michael king 8/4/2009 2:17 AM >>> i wonder how they bolyed a SII alpine hardtop to a S3-V/Tiger screen, it cant use the SI/II side windowes either as it still has the 1/4 light windows -- Regards Michael King You are subscribed as %(user_address)s Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Aug 4 07:38:08 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:38:08 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Auxillary Light Brackets In-Reply-To: <3268E4D0EDED47FE974197B34E94C4CF@BillPC> Message-ID: Bill According to my Alpine Parts List the bracket is the same for both lights. 1201418 Lamp carrier Driving lamp 1201418 Lamp carrier Fog Lamp Note: mounted to 1201417 1201417 Bracket - Mounting Badge Bar and Driving Lamp - Extension bracket 19108113 Bolt 1/2" UNF x 1 3/8" - Bracket to frame These parts are listed in the Special Accessories section; the ZU section but no pictures or illustrations. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:33 PM To: Tigers Subject: [Tigers] Auxillary Light Brackets A couple of people at SUNI were selling NOS Rootes auxillary Fog/Spot light brackets. They are handed and they only had one side so I did not buy one. I have not been able to find a set so I may have to make one and I need one for a pattern. Anyone out there know who was doing the selling in Rapid City? BillRo Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.42/2279 - Release Date: 08/03/09 05:57:00 From Greg.Koss at TRW.COM Tue Aug 4 07:46:49 2009 From: Greg.Koss at TRW.COM (Greg Koss) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:46:49 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST In-Reply-To: <913496.92762.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <913496.92762.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A78038A.880C.0076.0@TRW.COM> http://www.smoothline.com/sunbeam.php >>> Tony Somebody 8/4/2009 7:00 AM >>> Good question. Perhaps an aftermarket fiberglass unit??????????? --- On Tue, 8/4/09, michael king wrote: > From: michael king > Subject: Re: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST > To: "Jim" > Cc: "Tony Somebody" , tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 1:17 AM > i wonder how they bolyed a SII alpine > hardtop to a S3-V/Tiger screen, it cant use the SI/II side > windowes either as it still has the 1/4 light windows > -- > Regards > > Michael King From CoolVT at aol.com Tue Aug 4 08:10:24 2009 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:10:24 EDT Subject: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST Message-ID: Isn't there 3 different cars in the pictures with that top? On the side it seems to extend far forward. Would the side windows have room to roll up? I do like the top. Mark L In a message dated 8/4/2009 10:02:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Greg.Koss at TRW.COM writes: That is a "Parish Plastics" aftermarket hardtop. >>> michael king 8/4/2009 2:17 AM >>> i wonder how they bolyed a SII alpine hardtop to a S3-V/Tiger screen, it cant use the SI/II side windowes either as it still has the 1/4 light windows -- Regards Michael King You are subscribed as %(user_address)s Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as %(user_address)s Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From spook01 at comcast.net Tue Aug 4 09:07:00 2009 From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:07:00 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST References: <913496.92762.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <047E70D2C58D465EA0109E692582F59F@yourpd3mh0abgs> does anyone still make aftermarket 'glass or plastic tops for British cars (not necessarily just tigers)? Best, Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Somebody" To: "Jim" ; "michael king" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 6:00 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST > Good question. Perhaps an aftermarket fiberglass unit??????????? > --- On Tue, 8/4/09, michael king wrote: > >> From: michael king >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST >> To: "Jim" >> Cc: "Tony Somebody" , tigers at autox.team.net >> Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 1:17 AM >> i wonder how they bolyed a SII alpine >> hardtop to a S3-V/Tiger screen, it cant use the SI/II side >> windowes either as it still has the 1/4 light windows >> -- >> Regards >> >> Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as %(user_address)s > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From awtiger at cox.net Tue Aug 4 09:15:24 2009 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 11:15:24 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST In-Reply-To: <4A77FD09.880C.0076.0@TRW.COM> Message-ID: <20090804111524.Y71DN.3470.imail@eastrmwml39> Actually, guys, the tops that are on those Tigers are early Series I & II tops. Admittedly, I don't have the pictures to look at again but I remember immediately recognizing the tops. The major telltale between the original early top and the Parrish Plastics is that the rear window on the early tops come down to a point like the ones pictured on the drag Tigers. The Parrish Plastics tops are rounded at the bottom corners of the rear window. I'm sure they were used because they were aluminum and are extremely light when compared to the later steel tops. As for connecting them, if you'll look closely, you'll see that they don't fit well around the top of the windshield. Having done some racing before, I'd be willing to bet that the rules that they were running under required any hardtop to be bolted down to the car so as to decrease the possibility of it flying off in a crash. I would again bet that brackets were made to go in place of the front windshield latches and bolts were run through them to secure the top. Installing one that way would mean that, even though it wasn't a perfect fit, it darn sure would stay on at speed!!! Take care, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740) B9006857LRX From CoolVT at aol.com Tue Aug 4 10:12:37 2009 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:12:37 EDT Subject: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST Message-ID: In comparing the pictures, you are correct. There is that difference at the curve of the window. In a message dated 8/4/2009 12:04:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, awtiger at cox.net writes: Actually, guys, the tops that are on those Tigers are early Series I & II tops. Admittedly, I don't have the pictures to look at again but I remember immediately recognizing the tops. The major telltale between the original early top and the Parrish Plastics is that the rear window on the early tops come down to a point like the ones pictured on the drag Tigers. The Parrish Plastics tops are rounded at the bottom corners of the rear window. I'm sure they were used because they were aluminum and are extremely light when compared to the later steel tops. As for connecting them, if you'll look closely, you'll see that they don't fit well around the top of the windshield. Having done some racing before, I'd be willing to bet that the rules that they were running under required any hardtop to be bolted down to the car so as to decrease the possibility of it flying off in a crash. I would again bet that brackets were made to go in place of the front windshield latches and bolts were run through them to secure the top. Installing one that way would mean that, even though it wasn't a perfect fit, it darn sure would stay on at speed!!! Take care, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740) B9006857LRX You are subscribed as %(user_address)s Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From arado7 at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 4 10:14:42 2009 From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:14:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST Message-ID: <616601.15981.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have one of the early tops just salvaged off an S2. It is aluminum with plastic window with trim intact. Also the soft top cover. It was on it's way to the crusher. Gary B947282 MK1 --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: Re: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST To: "Jim" , "michael king" Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 11:00 AM Good question. Perhaps an aftermarket fiberglass unit??????????? --- On Tue, 8/4/09, michael king wrote: > From: michael king > Subject: Re: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST > To: "Jim" > Cc: "Tony Somebody" , tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 1:17 AM > i wonder how they bolyed a SII alpine > hardtop to a S3-V/Tiger screen, it cant use the SI/II side > windowes either as it still has the 1/4 light windows > -- > Regards > > Michael King You are subscribed as %(user_address)s Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Tue Aug 4 12:21:33 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:21:33 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Alpine Hardtops In-Reply-To: <616601.15981.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <616601.15981.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A787C2D.5050701@SoCal.rr.com> My daughter has a fine Alpine S2, with the original aluminum hardtop. She doesn't drive it, as it has a "crash box", and neither does my grand daughter - shown (now 17) http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/miller_a/default.asp Driving in the valley without a top (98 deg. today) in the summer requires protection. Hmm? Seems when I was 27, and working out here commuting in my new 1954 Jag 120S, I never needed it! http://www.tigersunited.com/articles/sl-mc/stevelaifman3.asp (Sound on!) Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Tue Aug 4 13:13:03 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:13:03 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Shelby Tigers? In-Reply-To: <828645.72108.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <828645.72108.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A78883F.6010301@SoCal.rr.com> Lot's of back and forth about Shelby and Tigers. Here are a few points to consider: Firstly, Carroll put a 260 cid engine in his first creation, as a 289 was not available until later. The original car, and subsequent were known as AC Cobra's. AC manufactured their AC Ace with a "Bristol Straight 6". This engine was from BMW, and "liberated" by the British after the War in 1945. In September 1961, Shelby airmailed AC a letter asking them if they would build him a car modified to accept a V8 engine. AC agreed, provided a suitable engine could be found. He first went to Chevrolet to see if they would provide him with engines, but not wanting to add competition to the Corvette they said no. Ford however, wanted a car that could compete with the Corvette and they happened to have a brand new thin-wall small-block engine which could be used in this endeavor. It was Ford's 260 in3 HiPo (4.2 L) engine. First delivery was Feb., 1962. The first 75 Cobra Mark I's (including the prototype) were fitted with the 260 engine (4.2 L). The remaining 51 Mark I model were fitted with a larger version of the Windsor Ford engine, the 289 in3 (4.7 L) V8. I am not sure when the cars were named "Carroll Shelby's" AC Cobra. Ian Garrard, Rootes' West Coast Manager, (and son of Norman Garrard (competitions manager), and Jack Brabham's recommendation. With approval from his boss, John Panks, met with Ken Miles, and Carroll Shelby in Venice, California. Shelby accepted the contract for $10,000 to build a car prototype for production. PLUS a commission on each car sold! (Miles offered to build a prototype for $600, he was working for Shelby at the time.) An SII Alpine was delivered to Ken, and one to Carroll in April, 1963. The "Shelby Car", built by Phil Remington (Chief Engineer) and George Boskoff (Head Mechanic), while Shelby was off negotiating with Ford for his Shelby Mustang, was delivered to Southampton on a banana boat in July, 1963. One year after the first Shelby AC Cobra was made. (Much history was garnered from Mike Taylor's "Tiger - The Making of a Sports Car".) Considering the design was done AT Shelby, if not BY Shelby (neither was the Cobra), and he made a commission on each sale, It is as legitimately a "Shelby" as the AC. BUT, at the end, it was Ian Garrard and John Panks who were the "fathers" of the Tiger. Enjoy your trip of life, it is a one way ticket! Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Tony Somebody wrote: > I have absolutely no proof, other than a gut feeling BUT the 289 was available > for fitment in the first Tigers. My gut tells me CS had a part in helping > Rootes get 260 engines from Ford. he had to be aware the Tiger was going to be > a serious contender for outrunniing the first Cobras that also received power > from a 260 engine.I have no opinion of what claim we have to Mr. shelby, > especially calling the Tiger a shelby Tiger- it just didnt exist. I have > attended Shelby events at the Brown cnty.anual Shelby event. His name is not > on our cars but we are set aside with our own group at the event and we are > accepted by them or we acceppt them if you will. > At one time I thought that some of the shelby tiger parts might also be used > on the Cobra but it is evident now that sellers are just using shelby to put > the parts on more screens and if the Cobra used the same part as a tiger it > was very few. If we could lay claim to being a real member of the Shelby > family it could only increase the value of our cars BUT I only see the bastard > stepson relationship. Im sure when ask that CS is happy to claim the Tiger but > Im not sure it is a valid claim. > TtT From tgrrr at peoplepc.com Tue Aug 4 14:08:56 2009 From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:08:56 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST References: Message-ID: <7929B28A8DA6430092B29B558CE7E4EA@bob> I don't recognize any of the drag cars but it's nice to see pictures from an era when Tigerin' meant more in performance than original hose clamps. Bob H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman C. Miller" To: Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:47 AM Subject: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST > Anybody recognize either of these two cars? > > http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/drag-cars/index.html > > Norm From tgrrr at peoplepc.com Tue Aug 4 14:31:34 2009 From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:31:34 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Shelby Tigers? References: <828645.72108.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4A78883F.6010301@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <7F1E71A69B2C419BAA2DDB9DA2BC4AA5@bob> I have always been particularly fascinated by the reference in Mike Taylor's book regarding where on Shelby's recommendation, Rootes chose the 260 engines for the Le Mans Tigers whereas Shelby used the 289's in his Cobras which developed about 100 more horsepower. "Ol Shel" may have been a shyster but he was no dummy. Bob H From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Aug 4 15:21:10 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:21:10 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Shelby Tigers? In-Reply-To: <4A78883F.6010301@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: Tony Yes the 289 was available; 289 was first cast in Dec 1962. The first Tiger 260 engine group was T15KL = Aug 8, 1963. Rootes history states that Lord Rootes called Henry Ford to acquire V8 engines for the Tiger. The timeframe here is a bit vague possibly May 1963. Yes 289 engines were available but it is a new, untested engine as far as Rootes was concerned and most likely there would be a big premium, $$, to get them. I'm guessing here but Ford was probably using all the 289 engines for there own vehicles. I'm also guessing that Ford was still in the process of ramping up the production and assembly line for the 289. Like I said I'm guessing here but my thoughts are that Rootes considered the 260 engine a tried and tested engine. The price per 260 assembly was probably lower than the 289; cost is a big factor with a new car venture plus Ford probably had 260 engine assemblies in stock ready to be shipped anywhere, now. I don't think Shelby had much influence at Rootes other than race engines and that influence probably waned very quickly after the Shelby built 260 engines failed at LeMans. As for Cobra parts being the same as a Tiger; I believe the same vendors were used for several parts so the parts could be off the same mold. My 2c worth. Ron Fraser Tony Somebody wrote: > I have absolutely no proof, other than a gut feeling BUT the 289 was > available for fitment in the first Tigers. My gut tells me CS had a > part in helping Rootes get 260 engines from Ford. he had to be aware > the Tiger was going to be a serious contender for outrunniing the > first Cobras that also received power from a 260 engine.I have no > opinion of what claim we have to Mr. shelby, especially calling the > Tiger a shelby Tiger- it just didnt exist. I have attended Shelby > events at the Brown cnty.anual Shelby event. His name is not on our > cars but we are set aside with our own group at the event and we are > accepted by them or we acceppt them if you will. At one time I thought > that some of the shelby tiger parts might also be used on the Cobra > but it is evident now that sellers are just using shelby to put the > parts on more screens and if the Cobra used the same part as a tiger > it was very few. If we could lay claim to being a real member of the > Shelby family it could only increase the value of our cars BUT I only > see the bastard stepson relationship. Im sure when ask that CS is > happy to claim the Tiger but Im not sure it is a valid claim. TtT You are subscribed as %(user_address)s Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.42/2279 - Release Date: 08/04/09 05:57:00 From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 15:45:42 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 14:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Shelby Tigers? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <219787.66044.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron- I have no idea what protocol was used to decide on the 260 BUT if CS had installed a 289, then we might not have ever seen a 260 and that was my unproveable gut feeling and what I think CS would have been thinking business wise. Why would he build a prototype that would/could out perform his car? As dumb as I am, I wouldnt have made that mistake and CS, above all, is very much a bussinessman.Im also glad something I posted months ago is creating some LIST activity. --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Ron Fraser wrote: > From: Ron Fraser > Subject: RE: [Tigers] Shelby Tigers? > To: "'Steve Laifman'" , "'Tony Somebody'" > Cc: "'Beamclub'" > Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 4:21 PM > Tony > > Yes the 289 was available; 289 was first > cast in Dec 1962. > The first Tiger 260 engine group was T15KL = Aug 8, 1963. > > Rootes history states that Lord Rootes > called Henry Ford to acquire > V8 engines for the Tiger. The timeframe here is a bit > vague possibly May > 1963. Yes 289 engines were available but > it is a new, untested engine as > far as Rootes was concerned and most likely there would be > a big premium, > $$, to get them. I'm guessing here but > Ford was probably using all the 289 > engines for there own vehicles. I'm also > guessing that Ford was still in > the process of ramping up the production and assembly line > for the 289. > Like I said I'm guessing here but my > thoughts are that Rootes > considered the 260 engine a tried and tested > engine. The price per 260 > assembly was probably lower than the 289; cost is a big > factor with a new > car venture plus Ford probably had 260 engine assemblies in > stock ready to > be shipped anywhere, now. > > I don't think Shelby had much influence > at Rootes other than race > engines and that influence probably waned very quickly > after the Shelby > built 260 engines failed at LeMans. As for Cobra > parts being the same as a > Tiger; I believe the same vendors were used for several > parts so the parts > could be off the same mold. > > My 2c worth. > > Ron Fraser > > > Tony Somebody wrote: > > I have absolutely no proof, other than a gut feeling > BUT the 289 was > > available for fitment in the first Tigers. My gut > tells me CS had a > > part in helping Rootes get 260 engines from Ford. he > had to be aware > > the Tiger was going to be a serious contender for > outrunniing the > > first Cobras that also received power from a 260 > engine.I have no > > opinion of what claim we have to Mr. shelby, > especially calling the > > Tiger a shelby Tiger- it just didnt exist. I have > attended Shelby > > events at the Brown cnty.anual Shelby event. His name > is not on our > > cars but we are set aside with our own group at the > event and we are > > accepted by them or we acceppt them if you will. At > one time I thought > > that some of the shelby tiger parts might also be used > on the Cobra > > but it is evident now that sellers are just using > shelby to put the > > parts on more screens and if the Cobra used the same > part as a tiger > > it was very few. If we could lay claim to being a real > member of the > > Shelby family it could only increase the value of our > cars BUT I only > > see the bastard stepson relationship. Im sure when ask > that CS is > > happy to claim the Tiger but Im not sure it is a valid > claim. TtT > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as %(user_address)s > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.42/2279 - Release > Date: 08/04/09 > 05:57:00 From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Aug 4 16:12:47 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:12:47 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Shelby Tigers? In-Reply-To: References: <4A78883F.6010301@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905482@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> As I understand it, many (all?) of the cast-aluminum Ford manifolds and dress-up parts were were produced by Buddy Bar, and they did use inserts as required to brand-engineer the manifolds, valve covers and oil pans. What's interesting is that Buddy Bar apparently hasn't forgotten the Tiger: https://buddybarcasting.com/Photo_Gallery.html I don't know if Buddy Bar is currently involved in the production of the valve covers. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser > Sent: August 4, 2009 3:21 PM > To: 'Steve Laifman'; 'Tony Somebody' > Cc: 'Beamclub' > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Tigers? > > Tony > I believe the > same vendors were used for several parts so the parts could > be off the same mold. > > My 2c worth. > > Ron Fraser From twotigers at verizon.net Tue Aug 4 16:49:05 2009 From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:49:05 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST References: Message-ID: <002901ca1555$c5481740$2f01a8c0@smith> Maybe somebody from the San Diego area will recognize at least one of the cars. There is an ad from an Escondido business at one of the dragstrips in the pictures... Kirk B382000503 From bamcnulty at optonline.net Tue Aug 4 17:10:53 2009 From: bamcnulty at optonline.net (Tony McNulty) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:10:53 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Shelby Tigers? References: Message-ID: <0D3C864C4BDF46DB87D9990250154EDE@your4dacd0ea75> Norm should kick in here -- I thought that 260 engines were kicked over to some sort of "industrial block" division of Ford. Correct me if I'm wrong. Tony Mc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Fraser" To: "'Steve Laifman'" ; "'Tony Somebody'" Cc: "'Beamclub'" Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Tigers? > Tony > > Yes the 289 was available; 289 was first cast in Dec 1962. > The first Tiger 260 engine group was T15KL = Aug 8, 1963. > > Rootes history states that Lord Rootes called Henry Ford to acquire > V8 engines for the Tiger. The timeframe here is a bit vague possibly May > 1963. Yes 289 engines were available but it is a new, untested engine as > far as Rootes was concerned and most likely there would be a big premium, > $$, to get them. I'm guessing here but Ford was probably using all the > 289 > engines for there own vehicles. I'm also guessing that Ford was still in > the process of ramping up the production and assembly line for the 289. > Like I said I'm guessing here but my thoughts are that Rootes > considered the 260 engine a tried and tested engine. The price per 260 > assembly was probably lower than the 289; cost is a big factor with a new > car venture plus Ford probably had 260 engine assemblies in stock ready to > be shipped anywhere, now. > > I don't think Shelby had much influence at Rootes other than race > engines and that influence probably waned very quickly after the Shelby > built 260 engines failed at LeMans. As for Cobra parts being the same as > a > Tiger; I believe the same vendors were used for several parts so the parts > could be off the same mold. > > My 2c worth. > > Ron Fraser > > > Tony Somebody wrote: >> I have absolutely no proof, other than a gut feeling BUT the 289 was >> available for fitment in the first Tigers. My gut tells me CS had a >> part in helping Rootes get 260 engines from Ford. he had to be aware >> the Tiger was going to be a serious contender for outrunniing the >> first Cobras that also received power from a 260 engine.I have no >> opinion of what claim we have to Mr. shelby, especially calling the >> Tiger a shelby Tiger- it just didnt exist. I have attended Shelby >> events at the Brown cnty.anual Shelby event. His name is not on our >> cars but we are set aside with our own group at the event and we are >> accepted by them or we acceppt them if you will. At one time I thought >> that some of the shelby tiger parts might also be used on the Cobra >> but it is evident now that sellers are just using shelby to put the >> parts on more screens and if the Cobra used the same part as a tiger >> it was very few. If we could lay claim to being a real member of the >> Shelby family it could only increase the value of our cars BUT I only >> see the bastard stepson relationship. Im sure when ask that CS is >> happy to claim the Tiger but Im not sure it is a valid claim. TtT > You are subscribed as %(user_address)s > > Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.42/2279 - Release Date: 08/04/09 > 05:57:00 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as %(user_address)s > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.43/2281 - Release Date: 08/04/09 05:57:00 From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 17:15:45 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:15:45 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Engine and cam numbers Message-ID: OK, You can see this as Lazy, or my complete faith in the listers... but i was wondering if someone can decode some numbers for a friend. These are from his 289 block and the cam from his Tiger.. Can anyone ID the type of block year/mfg etc.. and maybe what the cam is? The engine # C40E-6015C and this # on top 3K8 Cam shaft # UAX 41 -- Regards Michael King From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Aug 4 17:17:23 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:17:23 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST In-Reply-To: <4A77FD09.880C.0076.0@TRW.COM> References: <356688.60298.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0973CB492F084BDEBCC4771F2938FE3F@JIMPC> <4A77FD09.880C.0076.0@TRW.COM> Message-ID: Greg, Quite sure its an alpine aluminium top, the parish tops dont have the pointed rear windows and the SI/Ii style side window openings.. I have a SII alpine and have 3 of those tops. 2009/8/4 Greg Koss > That is a "Parish Plastics" aftermarket hardtop. > > >>> michael king 8/4/2009 2:17 AM >>> > i wonder how they bolyed a SII alpine hardtop to a S3-V/Tiger screen, it > cant use the SI/II side windowes either as it still has the 1/4 light > windows > -- > Regards > > Michael King > You are subscribed as %(user_address)s > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as %(user_address)s > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > -- Regards Michael King From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Tue Aug 4 17:46:43 2009 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:46:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST References: <002901ca1555$c5481740$2f01a8c0@smith> Message-ID: <7E634B2F93FD41DE85B8191E93C20507@your4dacd0ea75> I'm pretty sure it's the old Carlsbad raceway which was demolished 4 or 5 years ago. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirk Smith" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST > Maybe somebody from the San Diego area will recognize at least one of the > cars. There is an ad from an Escondido business at one of the dragstrips > in the pictures... > > Kirk > B382000503 _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as %(user_address)s > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Aug 4 17:51:15 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:51:15 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Shelby Tigers? In-Reply-To: <0D3C864C4BDF46DB87D9990250154EDE@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <14106784942F48DFA01246B6E6B5F5C8@ronpc1> Tony All the Tiger engines were built at the Cleveland Foundry as far as I can tell. The order for these engines were processed through the Ford Industrial Division. They handled the Special Order engine groups from production to shipping. I believe I have this right and yes Norm is the real authority here. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Tony McNulty [mailto:bamcnulty at optonline.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 7:11 PM To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; 'Steve Laifman'; 'Tony Somebody' Cc: 'Beamclub' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Tigers? Norm should kick in here -- I thought that 260 engines were kicked over to some sort of "industrial block" division of Ford. Correct me if I'm wrong. Tony Mc From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Aug 4 18:11:05 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:11:05 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Shelby Tigers? In-Reply-To: <219787.66044.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <482253DC4D7C402598841B7BB4E474AE@ronpc1> Tony I think you can look at it from this perspective; in the March, April timeframe for the Tiger prototype, CS had a few 289's on hand and they were showing promise. You don't give away your future. The 260 engine he was pulling out were basically scrap value to CS and probably cluttering up the shop. You put a 260 into the Tiger seems a no brainer to me. The real decision for the 260 engines was in Lord Rootes hands. Whether he knew about the 289 engines or why he choose 260's is locked in a conversation held 46 years ago. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Tony Somebody [mailto:achd73 at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:46 PM To: 'Steve Laifman'; rfraser at bluefrog.com Cc: 'Beamclub' Subject: RE: [Tigers] Shelby Tigers? Ron- I have no idea what protocol was used to decide on the 260 BUT if CS had installed a 289, then we might not have ever seen a 260 and that was my unproveable gut feeling and what I think CS would have been thinking business wise. Why would he build a prototype that would/could out perform his car? As dumb as I am, I wouldnt have made that mistake and CS, above all, is very much a bussinessman.Im also glad something I posted months ago is creating some LIST activity. From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 18:22:30 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:22:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Shelby Tigers? In-Reply-To: <482253DC4D7C402598841B7BB4E474AE@ronpc1> Message-ID: <567215.84473.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron- we can agree to disagree. If Shelby had sent the Lord 289s in the prototype, I think we would have had 289s in the first Tiger but as you say, that information is burried somewheree in the UK and who knows, maybe Ford offered him 289s at X and 260s at 1/2X and since money was a problem LR bougt the 260.As I said, its just a gut feeling. That and 2.25 will buy me a cold beer up town. Tony --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Ron Fraser wrote: > From: Ron Fraser > Subject: RE: [Tigers] Shelby Tigers? > To: "'Tony Somebody'" , "'Steve Laifman'" > Cc: "'Beamclub'" > Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 7:11 PM > Tony > I think you can look at it from this > perspective; in the March, > April timeframe for the Tiger prototype, CS had a few 289's > on hand and they > were showing promise. You don't give away > your future. The 260 engine he > was pulling out were basically scrap value to CS and > probably cluttering up > the shop. You put a 260 into the Tiger > seems a no brainer to me. > > The real decision for the 260 engines > was in Lord Rootes hands. > Whether he knew about the 289 engines or why he choose > 260's is locked in a > conversation held 46 years ago. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Somebody [mailto:achd73 at yahoo.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:46 PM > To: 'Steve Laifman'; rfraser at bluefrog.com > Cc: 'Beamclub' > Subject: RE: [Tigers] Shelby Tigers? > > > Ron- I have no idea what protocol was used to decide on the > 260 BUT if CS > had installed a 289, then we might not have ever seen a 260 > and that was my > unproveable gut feeling and what I think CS would have been > thinking > business wise. Why would he build a prototype that > would/could out perform > his car? As dumb as I am, I wouldnt have made that mistake > and CS, above > all, is very much a bussinessman.Im also glad something I > posted months ago > is creating some LIST activity. From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Aug 4 18:29:08 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:29:08 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Engine and cam numbers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0B7913305FC0498BAC82BF521108BBAE@ronpc1> C4OE-6015C = 1964 289 block 3K8 = Oct 8, 1963; block casting date; this date is in the 1964 model year UAX = 289 cam shaft Not sure if 41 has a meaning. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 7:16 PM To: Tiger Talk List Tiger Subject: [Tigers] Engine and cam numbers OK, You can see this as Lazy, or my complete faith in the listers... but i was wondering if someone can decode some numbers for a friend. These are from his 289 block and the cam from his Tiger.. Can anyone ID the type of block year/mfg etc.. and maybe what the cam is? The engine # C40E-6015C and this # on top 3K8 Cam shaft # UAX 41 -- Regards Michael King You are subscribed as %(user_address)s Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.42/2279 - Release Date: 08/04/09 05:57:00 From gswaybright at yahoo.com Tue Aug 4 19:15:36 2009 From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Shelby Tigers? In-Reply-To: <567215.84473.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <402159.72055.qm@web31404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't think Lord Rootes would have even known there was more than one version of the engine. Based on my reading of practices in the British Car industry at the time, and of bean counters in particular. I'm with Ron in believing that there was likely a cost advantage to buying 260's when Rootes spoke to Ford about sourcing the new small block V8. If 289's would have been cheaper, they would have used those, regardless of what Shelby dropped in to the "proof of concept" Alpine conversion. There are quite a few changes made from the CS concept car to the production design and I'm sure the engineers at Jensen took Shelby's creation for what it was... a proof of concept vehicle, and not much more than that. --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Tony Somebody wrote: > From: Tony Somebody > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Tigers? > To: "'Steve Laifman'" , rfraser at bluefrog.com > Cc: "'Beamclub'" > Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 8:22 PM > Ron- we can agree to disagree. If > Shelby had sent the Lord 289s in the > prototype, I think we would have had 289s in the first > Tiger but as you say, > that information is burried somewheree in the UK and who > knows, maybe Ford > offered him 289s at X and 260s at 1/2X and since money was > a problem LR bougt > the 260.As I said, its just a gut feeling. That and 2.25 > will buy me a cold > beer up town. > Tony > > --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Ron Fraser > wrote: > > > From: Ron Fraser > > Subject: RE: [Tigers] Shelby Tigers? > > To: "'Tony Somebody'" , > "'Steve Laifman'" > > > Cc: "'Beamclub'" > > Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 7:11 PM > > Tony > > I think you can look at it > from this > > perspective; in the March, > > April timeframe for the Tiger prototype, CS had a few > 289's > > on hand and they > > were showing promise. You don't give > away > > your future. The 260 engine he > > was pulling out were basically scrap value to CS and > > probably cluttering up > > the shop. You put a 260 into the > Tiger > > seems a no brainer to me. > > > > The real decision for the 260 > engines > > was in Lord Rootes hands. > > Whether he knew about the 289 engines or why he > choose > > 260's is locked in a > > conversation held 46 years ago. > > > > Ron Fraser > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tony Somebody [mailto:achd73 at yahoo.com] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:46 PM > > To: 'Steve Laifman'; rfraser at bluefrog.com > > Cc: 'Beamclub' > > Subject: RE: [Tigers] Shelby Tigers? > > > > > > Ron- I have no idea what protocol was used to decide > on the > > 260 BUT if CS > > had installed a 289, then we might not have ever seen > a 260 > > and that was my > > unproveable gut feeling and what I think CS would have > been > > thinking > > business wise. Why would he build a prototype that > > would/could out perform > > his car? As dumb as I am, I wouldnt have made that > mistake > > and CS, above > > all, is very much a bussinessman.Im also glad > something I > > posted months ago > > is creating some LIST activity. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as %(user_address)s > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 4 20:48:49 2009 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Brackets Message-ID: <104908.90334.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "A couple of people at SUNI were selling NOS Rootes auxillary Fog/Spot light brackets. They are handed and they only had one side so I did not buy one. I have not been able to find a set so I may have to make one and I need one for a pattern. " Which side are are you looking for? Someone in the UK had a box of those brackets but they were for only one side a year ago. It was kind of strange the seller only had one half of the set and maybe the other side was shipped to the USA which is where the Rapid City seller got them. I bought one thinking I could fabricate the matching one . Jeff From modtiger at comcast.net Tue Aug 4 23:22:23 2009 From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:22:23 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Engine details In-Reply-To: <402159.72055.qm@web31404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <567215.84473.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <402159.72055.qm@web31404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090805052747.B7197187652@autox.team.net> At 06:15 PM 8/4/2009, you wrote: >I don't think Lord Rootes would have even known there was more than one >version of the engine. Come on people, were talking CEO's here. So it's possible that following his initial drive, Lord Rootes had his executive secretary attempt to place a call to Mr. Ford, who happened to be cruising in the Mediterranean. This is long before the days of cell phones and somehow, they made some level of connection. I think a simple "I'd like to buy some of your engines" followed by some level of agreement was about the extent of the conversation with the exception of perhaps how Mr. Ford was enjoying the cruse. I think "I'll have my people call your people" was the realistic limit of the technical exchange. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC http://www.tigerengineering.net From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 00:10:11 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:10:11 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Engine details In-Reply-To: <20090805052747.B7197187652@autox.team.net> References: <567215.84473.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <402159.72055.qm@web31404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20090805052747.B7197187652@autox.team.net> Message-ID: "place an order for 260 of those 8V engines ol boy." -lord rootes circa 1963 2009/8/5 Tom Hall > At 06:15 PM 8/4/2009, you wrote: > >I don't think Lord Rootes would have even known there was more than one > >version of the engine. > > Come on people, were talking CEO's here. So it's possible that > following his initial drive, Lord Rootes had his executive secretary > attempt to place a call to Mr. Ford, who happened to be cruising in > the Mediterranean. This is long before the days of cell phones and > somehow, they made some level of connection. I think a simple "I'd > like to buy some of your engines" followed by some level of agreement > was about the extent of the conversation with the exception of > perhaps how Mr. Ford was enjoying the cruse. I think "I'll have my > people call your people" was the realistic limit of the technical exchange. > > > Tom Hall > ModTiger Engineering LLC > http://www.tigerengineering.net > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as michael.s.king at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > -- Regards Michael King From Carmods at aol.com Wed Aug 5 08:07:32 2009 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:07:32 EDT Subject: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST Message-ID: Sometimes those guys got away with short glass in the doors, and maybe Plexiglas for show. John Logan From rande at thecia.net Wed Aug 5 09:12:44 2009 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:12:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] NY listers Message-ID: <4a79a16c.51c0.0@thecia.net> Anyone have any experience good or bad with Action Salvage on Long Island? From jteepen at usatoday.com Wed Aug 5 09:46:23 2009 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:46:23 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0B9AB39A6D08EE4BADA31C2AA212B9690E6BDD59@ENT-MOCEXCMB02.us.ad.gannett.com> Regarding the first photo: I would be surprised if there was only one "Service Center", but there is a Service Center speed shop in Torrance, CA. They were located on Hawthorne Ave. for years but have since moved to Lomita Ave. (or near there), also in Torrance. Any feedback or information on the last photo of the Tiger at Bonneville? Owner/driver, year, etc? Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Norman C. Miller Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:48 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST Anybody recognize either of these two cars? http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/drag-cars/index.html Norm From jteepen at usatoday.com Wed Aug 5 09:55:22 2009 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:55:22 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Shelby Tigers? In-Reply-To: References: <4A78883F.6010301@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <0B9AB39A6D08EE4BADA31C2AA212B9690E6BDD6B@ENT-MOCEXCMB02.us.ad.gannett.com> I accidentally deleted the e-mail regarding why the 260 was used for the Le Mans Tigers versus the 289. Production Tigers at that time came with 260 engines, the Le Mans regulations would have dictated the same for the race entries. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 2:21 PM To: 'Steve Laifman'; 'Tony Somebody' Cc: 'Beamclub' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shelby Tigers? Tony Yes the 289 was available; 289 was first cast in Dec 1962. The first Tiger 260 engine group was T15KL = Aug 8, 1963. Rootes history states that Lord Rootes called Henry Ford to acquire V8 engines for the Tiger. The timeframe here is a bit vague possibly May 1963. Yes 289 engines were available but it is a new, untested engine as far as Rootes was concerned and most likely there would be a big premium, $$, to get them. I'm guessing here but Ford was probably using all the 289 engines for there own vehicles. I'm also guessing that Ford was still in the process of ramping up the production and assembly line for the 289. Like I said I'm guessing here but my thoughts are that Rootes considered the 260 engine a tried and tested engine. The price per 260 assembly was probably lower than the 289; cost is a big factor with a new car venture plus Ford probably had 260 engine assemblies in stock ready to be shipped anywhere, now. I don't think Shelby had much influence at Rootes other than race engines and that influence probably waned very quickly after the Shelby built 260 engines failed at LeMans. As for Cobra parts being the same as a Tiger; I believe the same vendors were used for several parts so the parts could be off the same mold. My 2c worth. Ron Fraser Tony Somebody wrote: > I have absolutely no proof, other than a gut feeling BUT the 289 was > available for fitment in the first Tigers. My gut tells me CS had a > part in helping Rootes get 260 engines from Ford. he had to be aware > the Tiger was going to be a serious contender for outrunniing the > first Cobras that also received power from a 260 engine.I have no > opinion of what claim we have to Mr. shelby, especially calling the > Tiger a shelby Tiger- it just didnt exist. I have attended Shelby > events at the Brown cnty.anual Shelby event. His name is not on our > cars but we are set aside with our own group at the event and we are > accepted by them or we acceppt them if you will. At one time I thought > that some of the shelby tiger parts might also be used on the Cobra > but it is evident now that sellers are just using shelby to put the > parts on more screens and if the Cobra used the same part as a tiger > it was very few. If we could lay claim to being a real member of the > Shelby family it could only increase the value of our cars BUT I only > see the bastard stepson relationship. Im sure when ask that CS is > happy to claim the Tiger but Im not sure it is a valid claim. TtT You are subscribed as %(user_address)s Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From achd73 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 5 10:44:33 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] early shifter knobs (150358810575) Message-ID: <997656.1695.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There is an auction on epay (150358810575) that shows a strange shift knob for $100. I sent a question doubting this shift knob was on Tigers and his reply follows. "For your FYI, The first 56 Tigers were equipped with Shelby American supplied, Borg Warner T10-B side loader transmission, the true Cobra short shifter, reverse lock-out T-handle and that shift knob that you see. From B9470057 and forward the short handle was use and and the knob was changed." Norm or anyone who owns/owned one of the first 56 Tigers able to shed any light on this statement? TtT From tigerdan at cavtel.net Wed Aug 5 11:43:15 2009 From: tigerdan at cavtel.net (tigerdan at cavtel.net) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:43:15 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] early shifter knobs (150358810575) Message-ID: Yes, he is correct in his description. Although I cannot see the ebay item, I have B9470033 and it came with the cobra style shifter and a round top shift knob. Dan ------Original Message------ From: Tony Somebody Sender: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] early shifter knobs (150358810575) Sent: Aug 5, 2009 12:44 PM There is an auction on epay (150358810575) that shows a strange shift knob for $100. I sent a question doubting this shift knob was on Tigers and his reply follows. "For your FYI, The first 56 Tigers were equipped with Shelby American supplied, Borg Warner T10-B side loader transmission, the true Cobra short shifter, reverse lock-out T-handle and that shift knob that you see. From B9470057 and forward the short handle was use and and the knob was changed." Norm or anyone who owns/owned one of the first 56 Tigers able to shed any light on this statement? TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as tigerdan at cavtel.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From csx2282 at sonic.net Wed Aug 5 12:02:34 2009 From: csx2282 at sonic.net (csx2282) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:02:34 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Alpine Hardtops References: Message-ID: <3D4BFD304FB246C286BE8DCAB272E55A@Cobra> Steve, My recollection of those days in So Cal is that if you put the top up on your British sports car in ANY weather you were a whimp! Roland > My daughter has a fine Alpine S2, with the original aluminum hardtop. > She doesn't drive it, as it has a "crash box", and neither does my grand > daughter - shown (now 17) > > http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/miller_a/default.asp > > Driving in the valley without a top (98 deg. today) in the summer > requires protection. Hmm? Seems when I was 27, and working out here > commuting in my new 1954 Jag 120S, I never needed it! > > http://www.tigersunited.com/articles/sl-mc/stevelaifman3.asp > > (Sound on!) > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > From alittlemoreink at hotmail.com Wed Aug 5 12:05:35 2009 From: alittlemoreink at hotmail.com (John Crawley) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 18:05:35 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Shelby Tigers? Message-ID: Hi All: One more unsubstantiated bit to the TIGER story . . . I was visiting the Miracle of America Museum in Montana about 10 - 12 years back and I met an old English chap who was visiting from across the pond. He was interested in my TIGER and I talked to him for about an hour. He said that he had worked for Lister in the 60s and that he had built the 289s for Shelbys LeMans Cobras at Lister because Shelby couldnt built engines worth a sh--! He went into great detail how they bench tested the engines to destruction and then analyzed the failures and then built new ones with improvements until they were perfect. I asked about the TIGER 260s and he said that they were built in the US and that the results showed during the race. I have no idea if all this was BS or not but it sure had the ring of truth to me at the time. I wish I had saved his name but I lost his card. Jc _________________________________________________________________ More storage. Better anti-spam and antivirus protection. Hotmail makes it simple. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671357 From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Aug 5 12:15:54 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:15:54 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Shelby Tigers? References: <567215.84473.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Seems there could be a number of reasons for the 260 vs the 289: Cost - 260 might = cheaper Availability - Ford might have accounted their own needs for all the 289's available. Track record - The 289 was a lesser commodity with a lesser known history. Rootes might not have wanted to "be the first to know" (bad news). Excess inventory - The 260's may have been over built and more readily available. Shipping schedule - Given that early Tigers were built mid 1964 and the engines had to be built state side, then shipped they likely were built early 1964 - or earlier. 260's might have been the only thing available to ship on time. Taxing - Maybe England had tax issues with certain displacements? Ignorance - They might not have know the 289 was even available. Arrogance - Ford and or Shelby might not have wanted the "latest" engine made available to others. Monkey see, Monkey do - Shelby put 260's in Cobras. Rootes puts 260's in Tigers. Timing - Ford release early Mustangs with 260's. They went to the trouble to create a special bellhousing for a 260 to C-4 application. You have to ask why if the 289 was available since late 1963 (I believe). So, it might negate some of the reasons listed above, but even Ford saw reason to use the 260 in it's "new" Mustang. I'll say this, at least Rootes didn't buy 221's. I think they were available in 1963 when they were doing the development work. So, here is the "improvised history" of the 260 based on the above scenarios: Rootes calls Ford and asks to buy some of those 260's, "just like Shelby uses." Then Rootes says even if you have something newer, bigger (and Ford doesn't say there is) we don't want it because we need to keep cost down. Ford checks its production schedules and inventory and finds they need all the 289's they can build anyway. But they have plenty of 260's (and capacity for more). Ford relays this to Rootes who jumps at the opportunity to have them shipped ASAP for their production needs. Rootes has a meeting and proclaims they got a load of 260's (just like Shelby) at a great price, shipped on time. And, they didn't wind up paying more for a lesser proven engine (they might have only assumed existed). Thus, they avoided becoming Guinea Pigs. Ford has a meeting. They proclaim they dumped a boatload of un-needed 260 engines while keeping all the 289's for their own needs. And, they got them out of inventory right away. When this news gets to Shelby he is thrilled that the bigger engine doesn't get into the hands of potential competition. Let the lore begin. :-) Tom From sralsten at ca.rr.com Wed Aug 5 12:32:10 2009 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:32:10 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] MEMORY TEST In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090805183210.1J0NV.107210.root@cdptpa-web06-z02> Not a Parrish Plastics top. This is a Parrish Plastics on a Tiger http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/picture.php?albumid=12&pictureid=59 From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Aug 5 12:42:41 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:42:41 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] early shifter knobs (150358810575) Message-ID: <7ADB2D4252A843E58D092D77E2BEE105@student2> Tony, To quickly answer your question. - I can't account for the numbers and the different transmission (by name), but yes, about 50 some cars early came with a transmission other than a Ford Toploader. I don't have time to look it all up, but the general premise is correct. It's sort of like the first 400 Tigers came with vinyl dashes (and are not Algers). Tom From awtiger at cox.net Wed Aug 5 12:43:47 2009 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:43:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] early shifter knobs (150358810575) In-Reply-To: <997656.1695.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090805144347.TXLTF.21557.imail@eastrmwml37> Tony: This information came straight out of one of the first books to be published on the Tiger, which was Bill Carroll's "Tiger: An Exceptional Motorcar." I have the book and there is a chapter towards the back that shows all the running production changes that were known at that time. Sure enough, it states that the first 56 Tigers came with the Borg-Warner transmission. If I remember correctly, the shifter and knob were referenced, too, but I'm working from memory here and I don't remember exactly what was written. By the way, the reason I remember this production number figure so well is because my first Tiger was B9470058, supposedly the second Tiger off the line with the Ford Toploader transmission. This car was also the runner up to the SCCA B-Prepared National Champion in the mid-70s (1974 or '75, I think...) and was owned and driven by a guy named Skip Laughlin here in Oklahoma. Anybody remember him or the car??? Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740) B9006857LRX ---- Tony Somebody wrote: > There is an auction on epay (150358810575) that shows a strange shift knob for $100. I sent a question doubting this shift knob was on Tigers and his reply follows. > > "For your FYI, The first 56 Tigers were equipped with Shelby American supplied, Borg Warner T10-B side loader transmission, the true Cobra short shifter, reverse lock-out T-handle and that shift knob that you see. From B9470057 and forward the short handle was use and and the knob was changed." > > Norm or anyone who owns/owned one of the first 56 Tigers able to shed any light on this statement? > TtT > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as awtiger at cox.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From v8tracker at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 12:47:11 2009 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:47:11 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] early shifter knobs (150358810575) In-Reply-To: <997656.1695.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <997656.1695.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Tony, According to the Book of Norman, that is exactly right. Looking at the Ebay listing, that knob looks like the one pictured in the BON, though I am comparing a top view to a side view. That said, anyone want to make me an offer I can't refuse for my BON? A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:45 AM > To: Beamclub > Subject: [Tigers] early shifter knobs (150358810575) > > There is an auction on epay (150358810575) that shows a > strange shift knob for $100. I sent a question doubting this > shift knob was on Tigers and his reply follows. > > "For your FYI, The first 56 Tigers were equipped with Shelby > American supplied, Borg Warner T10-B side loader > transmission, the true Cobra short shifter, reverse lock-out > T-handle and that shift knob that you see. From B9470057 and > forward the short handle was use and and the knob was changed." > > Norm or anyone who owns/owned one of the first 56 Tigers able > to shed any light on this statement? > TtT > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as v8tracker at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From cmccann at lwpb.com Wed Aug 5 13:42:51 2009 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:42:51 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] early shifter knobs - BW T10 In-Reply-To: <20090805144347.TXLTF.21557.imail@eastrmwml37> References: <997656.1695.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20090805144347.TXLTF.21557.imail@eastrmwml37> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333B7BE1168B@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> All, I have a question about this transmission application issue...on a different note. I purchased my Tiger out of a barn ( classic barn find, it was priceless) and it was purchased without the factory correct drive train. I do have a motor for the car ( a later model 302 based motor) but have not yet selected a transmission. I do have a good WC T5 that will rebuild, but haven't sprung yet for a tail housing solution such as Tom H's ideal fitment or one of the other bodgered workarounds, mainly due to cost. I was considering the toploader of course...but I used to have a Galaxie with a T10, and I liked that old stick shift...which brings me to the questions: 1. will the T10 bolt right in to fit the body? 2. in other words, were the bodies were the same as the cars after 65 correct? the shifter location on the T10 will hit the hole in the floor just as the correct length toploader will, right? 3. Does the T10 come in different lengths like the toploader? 4. Last question, is there a bellhousing available for a T10 to fit a let model block? ( assuming the 5 bolt vs 6 bolt issue is applicable) ......now I know everyone will try to give me the pros and cons for all 3 above transmission possibilities, driving quality, originality...and honestly, I know what the strengths and weaknesses basically are for the functionality of all 3, it's the fitment that I'm sketchy on...and I know that my car would have had a toploader originally.... ..... but we all know how I feel about that...back to Bob H's recent comments about hose clamps...not my biggest concern...just curious to know about T10's fitting Tigers.... Thanks guys Cullen B382001452 LROFE From cmccann at lwpb.com Wed Aug 5 14:09:14 2009 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:09:14 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] BW T10's - early Tigers Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333B7BE116AD@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Resending... All, I have a question about this transmission application issue...on a different note. I purchased my Tiger out of a barn ( classic barn find, it was priceless) and it was purchased without the factory correct drive train. I do have a motor for the car ( a later model 302 based motor) but have not yet selected a transmission. I do have a good WC T5 that will rebuild, but haven't sprung yet for a tail housing solution such as Tom H's ideal fitment or one of the other bodgered workarounds, mainly due to cost. I was considering the toploader of course...but I used to have a Galaxie with a T10, and I liked that old stick shift...which brings me to the questions: 1. will the T10 bolt right in to fit the body? 2. in other words, were the bodies were the same as the cars after 65 correct? the shifter location on the T10 will hit the hole in the floor just as the correct length toploader will, right? 3. Does the T10 come in different lengths like the toploader? 4. Last question, is there a bellhousing available for a T10 to fit a let model block? ( assuming the 5 bolt vs 6 bolt issue is applicable) ......now I know everyone will try to give me the pros and cons for all 3 above transmission possibilities, driving quality, originality...and honestly, I know what the strengths and weaknesses basically are for the functionality of all 3, it's the fitment that I'm sketchy on...and I know that my car would have had a toploader originally.... ..... but we all know how I feel about that...back to Bob H's recent comments about hose clamps...not my biggest concern...just curious to know about T10's fitting Tigers.... Thanks guys Cullen B382001452 LROFE From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 5 14:30:10 2009 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:30:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Metalastic Type Fulcrum Pin Bushings Message-ID: <942271.55596.qm@web81508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A while back I was looking for a set of original style Metalastic type fulcrum bushings and bought a set from Rootes Post Vintage Parts (http://www.rootesparts.com/id103.htm). I took my x member to Doug Jenings of Tiger Auto to rebuild using the bushings. Doug refurbished the x member and installed the bushings in the suspension arms. The only issue Doug had with them was the upper bushings were not tight in the suspension arms and he used Locktite while installing them. Length of the bushings and the fit of the lower ones was okay. So if you are looking for the Metalastic type bushing, these should work. Jeff From achd73 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 5 14:32:25 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:32:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] early shifter knobs (150358810575) In-Reply-To: <1659432829-1249494192-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-565335065-@bxe1215.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <383554.6384.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Dan. That is the kind of proof that cant be denied. An original survivor of the first 57 using that combination. Beat part is I learned something I had zero knowledge about' Your response is appreciated as is everyone else who also posted a reply. Many THANKS,TonytheTiger --- On Wed, 8/5/09, tigerdan at cavtel.net wrote: > From: tigerdan at cavtel.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] early shifter knobs (150358810575) > To: "Tony Somebody" , tigers-bounces at autox.team.net, "Tiger List" > Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 12:43 PM > Yes, he is correct in his > description. Although I cannot see the ebay item, I have > B9470033 and it came with the cobra style shifter and a > round top shift knob. > > Dan > ------Original Message------ > From: Tony Somebody > Sender: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > To: Tiger List > Subject: [Tigers] early shifter knobs (150358810575) > Sent: Aug 5, 2009 12:44 PM > > There is an auction on epay (150358810575) that shows a > strange shift knob for $100. I sent a question doubting this > shift knob was on Tigers and his reply follows. > > "For your FYI, The first 56 Tigers were equipped with > Shelby American supplied, Borg Warner T10-B side loader > transmission, the true Cobra short shifter, reverse lock-out > T-handle and that shift knob that you see. From B9470057 and > forward the short handle was use and and the knob was > changed." > > Norm or anyone who owns/owned one of the first 56 Tigers > able to shed any light on this statement? > TtT > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tigerdan at cavtel.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net Wed Aug 5 14:51:38 2009 From: sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net (Paul R Sheahan) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] early shifter knobs (150358810575) In-Reply-To: <997656.1695.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <601958.5133.qm@web83702.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Tony, I actually was fortunate enough to TAC an early Tiger two weeks ago that had a T 10 transmission with the mushroom gear shift knob. A couple of the guys there said that there is a guy reproducing the knob now. I have photos of the car if you are interested. Paul Paul R Sheahan --- On Wed, 8/5/09, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: [Tigers] early shifter knobs (150358810575) To: "Beamclub" Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 12:44 PM There is an auction on epay (150358810575) that shows a strange shift knob for $100. I sent a question doubting this shift knob was on Tigers and his reply follows. "For your FYI, The first 56 Tigers were equipped with Shelby American supplied, Borg Warner T10-B side loader transmission, the true Cobra short shifter, reverse lock-out T-handle and that shift knob that you see. From B9470057 and forward the short handle was use and and the knob was changed." Norm or anyone who owns/owned one of the first 56 Tigers able to shed any light on this statement? TtT You are subscribed as sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From edstiger at email.toast.net Wed Aug 5 15:08:11 2009 From: edstiger at email.toast.net (Ed Esslinger) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:08:11 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Starter Ring gear problem Message-ID: <451FBCC171A34F4DA1CA4E7A9EC4FA72@acer36d0bd61cf> I have a friend who had to replace the starter ring gear on his 260 Tiger. He couldn't locate a 160 tooth gear, so his mechanic replaced it with a 162 tooth gear. He's tried 6 or 8 starters and can't find one that will work with the new ring gear. Should he have used a 157 tooth gear as a substitute for the unavailable 160 tooth gear? Any suggestions?? Thanks Ed From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Wed Aug 5 16:19:40 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:19:40 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] BW T10's - early Tigers In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333B7BE116AD@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> References: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333B7BE116AD@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: <4A7A057C.1060104@SoCal.rr.com> Cullen, O.M., I understand that you have already investigated the transmission/rear end/installation issues. But some Listers may want more information about considerations for themselves. The links provided do give good installation advice, as well. When I went through the same comparisons, I did not like the "5th" gear ratios. I was looking for 0.8, and they didn't seem to be available at that time. Much more desirable than a 0.63. Try Dan Walter's T-5 advice article: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/WaltersT5/pt-WaltersT52.asp and: Curtis Fisher has another good article on TREMEC vs/ HEH-E, and _installation_: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/CFisherTREMEC/pt-CFisherTREMEC5.asp For a good discussion, recommendations, etc. It was written in 2001, but it is very applicable today. The reason that Tom Hall built custom parts is that AMC T-5's are difficult to come by, and use. What rear-end ratio you have is of considerable importance. On a personal note: I ended up with buying a Tiger Mk II 4 spd, with a lot better spacing than the Mk I, Mk Ia. Even though it is called a "wide ratio" Bolts right in, but one have to remember to change the helical internal speedo gear (mates with the cable gear) to get the speedo correct. An adjustment of the speed needle can be made, but the odometer needs the correct ratio. One can replace parts in your current tranny. The internal gear Ford "wide-ratio" gear set swap (input shaft, lay shaft, and 2nd and 3rd gear parts) to replace those in your present "close-ratio" box, without changing the 2.88 rear axle. Everything fits! I find that the better spacing and ratios of the Mk II gear set to have altered the ratios and spacing for a perfect match with the original 2.88:1 rear end. The mph/rpm is the same in high, but I never found the rpm to be too high at 72 mph (3,000 rpm) allowed and (contrary to the name "wide ratio"), intermediate . We had a very good gear ratio/speed calculator by Bob Hokanson on TigersUnited.com, but it currently isn't functioning. (Looking in to it.) ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Cullen McCann wrote: > All, I have a question about this transmission application issue...on a > different note. I purchased my Tiger out of a barn ( classic barn find, it was > priceless) and it was purchased without the factory correct drive train. I do > have a motor for the car ( a later model 302 based motor) but have not yet > selected a transmission. I do have a good WC T5 that will rebuild, but haven't > sprung yet for a tail housing solution such as Tom H's ideal fitment or one of > the other bodgered workarounds, mainly due to cost. I was considering the > toploader of course...but I used to have a Galaxie with a T10, and I liked > that old stick shift...which brings me to the questions: > > 1. will the T10 bolt right in to fit the body? > > 2. in other words, were the bodies were the same as the cars after 65 correct? > the shifter location on the T10 will hit the hole in the floor just as the > correct length toploader will, right? > > 3. Does the T10 come in different lengths like the toploader? > > 4. Last question, is there a bellhousing available for a T10 to fit a let > model block? ( assuming the 5 bolt vs 6 bolt issue is applicable) > > ......now I know everyone will try to give me the pros and cons for all 3 > above transmission possibilities, driving quality, originality...and honestly, > I know what the strengths and weaknesses basically are for the functionality > of all 3, it's the fitment that I'm sketchy on...and I know that my car would > have had a toploader originally.... > > ..... but we all know how I feel about that...back to Bob H's recent comments > about hose clamps...not my biggest concern...just curious to know about T10's > fitting Tigers.... > > Thanks guys > > Cullen > > B382001452 LROFE > _______________________________________________ From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Aug 5 16:26:32 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:26:32 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Starter Ring gear problem In-Reply-To: <451FBCC171A34F4DA1CA4E7A9EC4FA72@acer36d0bd61cf> References: <451FBCC171A34F4DA1CA4E7A9EC4FA72@acer36d0bd61cf> Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D1570190548C@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> I thought the standard 'larger' ring gear was 164 teeth... I currently have a 157 tooth gear on a 5.0 flywheel and T5 bellhousing and it works fine with the same starter that I previously had on the early 289 ring gear and 5 bolt toploader bellhousing. HTH, Theo From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 17:06:08 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:06:08 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] early shifter knobs (150358810575) In-Reply-To: <601958.5133.qm@web83702.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <997656.1695.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <601958.5133.qm@web83702.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: IIRC the early US road test of the white Tiger (the one with the photoshoot of the girl in the white jumper) that car was vynil dash and had the mushroom shifter visable in the photos. -- Regards Michael King From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Wed Aug 5 18:19:08 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:19:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Hokanson's Gear Ratio Calculator Message-ID: <4A7A217C.4030209@SoCal.rr.com> Tigers (and Bob H.) I made a mistake, once. I thought I was wrong, but it turned out I was right after all. ;-) Not having used Bob's excellent Excel Transmission Calculator in a while, I thought it wasn't functioning. I so stated in the "Re: [Tigers] BW T10's - early Tigers" e-mail response I made to the List. Well, turns out it works, after all. When I returned to my Mac "Desktop" (default download), I had 15 copies of the Excel file on the desktop awaiting me, hidden by the pages I had open. They were downloaded by my default desktop download location preference setting. In typical Mac fashion, double-clicking on the spread sheet icon (document) auto-opens the Excel program and the "Calculator". This program is really a beautiful, practical, way to evaluate - with each variable able to be changed and examined for result. (Tire Size, All of 12 of them worked just fine. If you do NOT have the Excel program, there is a ** free ** "Excel Reader" program link in the article (but I don't think the parameters are able to be changed in the free "read only" program - I don't know. http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.asp "Try-it Mikey, you'll like it!" If you have never tried this Hokanson program, you will discover just how nice it is. Change tire size, rear-end and tranny gear ratios. (4 and 5 speed default), rpm, shift gears, and 6 different transmissions - OR, select your own tranny and rear end ratios. Fantastic "What If" program. Thank you, Bob Hokanson. Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com From jim at island.net Wed Aug 5 20:08:42 2009 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:08:42 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] BW T10's - early Tigers In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333B7BE116AD@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> References: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333B7BE116AD@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: <4647725BD92640E08D50AE45CD680490@JIMPC> "... I do have a good WC T5 that will rebuild, but haven't sprung yet for a tail housing solution such as Tom H's ideal fitment or one of the other bodgered workarounds,..." I take offence at my WC z-spec AMC tailhoused swap at being called that !! Those AMC trans are not as hard to find as you might think... just found another for a friend...$225 including shipping clear across the country... There are a couple mods to do of course...total cost ( if you farmed it all out ) probably around $800 plus the trans ...yes, I had to cut the tunnel a bit... but I can still remove the shift housing IN THE CAR . Placement is good... put the stick on the left side of the Hurst stub and it's perfect. I can give you all the details if you like... Jim -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann Sent: August 5, 2009 1:09 PM To: Beamclub Subject: [Tigers] BW T10's - early Tigers Resending... All, I have a question about this transmission application issue...on a different note. I purchased my Tiger out of a barn ( classic barn find, it was priceless) and it was purchased without the factory correct drive train. I do have a motor for the car ( a later model 302 based motor) but have not yet selected a transmission. I do have a good WC T5 that will rebuild, but haven't sprung yet for a tail housing solution such as Tom H's ideal fitment or one of the other bodgered workarounds, mainly due to cost. I was considering the toploader of course...but I used to have a Galaxie with a T10, and I liked that old stick shift...which brings me to the questions: 1. will the T10 bolt right in to fit the body? 2. in other words, were the bodies were the same as the cars after 65 correct? the shifter location on the T10 will hit the hole in the floor just as the correct length toploader will, right? 3. Does the T10 come in different lengths like the toploader? 4. Last question, is there a bellhousing available for a T10 to fit a let model block? ( assuming the 5 bolt vs 6 bolt issue is applicable) ......now I know everyone will try to give me the pros and cons for all 3 above transmission possibilities, driving quality, originality...and honestly, I know what the strengths and weaknesses basically are for the functionality of all 3, it's the fitment that I'm sketchy on...and I know that my car would have had a toploader originally.... ..... but we all know how I feel about that...back to Bob H's recent comments about hose clamps...not my biggest concern...just curious to know about T10's fitting Tigers.... Thanks guys Cullen B382001452 LROFE You are subscribed as jim at island.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From MTaylor at ea.com Wed Aug 5 20:51:29 2009 From: MTaylor at ea.com (Taylor, Matthew) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:51:29 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] early shifter knobs (150358810575) In-Reply-To: References: <997656.1695.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <601958.5133.qm@web83702.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3FA9E5EE4E0C2F4C8A5F7E8D718A0F965F014DDFF8@NA-MAIL-1-1.rws.ad.ea.com> The "white" Tiger in all of those early US magazines was actually Gordon Chittenden's other Tiger. It was actually Moonstone and was number 40. If anyone knows what happened to this Tiger, please let me know. Thanks, Matthew Subject: Re: [Tigers] early shifter knobs (150358810575) IIRC the early US road test of the white Tiger (the one with the photoshoot of the girl in the white jumper) that car was vynil dash and had the mushroom shifter visable in the photos. -- Regards Michael King From shelbycuda at hotmail.com Wed Aug 5 21:53:53 2009 From: shelbycuda at hotmail.com (Dan Kuenzi) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:53:53 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] early shifter knobs (150358810575) In-Reply-To: <3FA9E5EE4E0C2F4C8A5F7E8D718A0F965F014DDFF8@NA-MAIL-1-1.rws.ad.ea.com> References: <997656.1695.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <601958.5133.qm@web83702.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <3FA9E5EE4E0C2F4C8A5F7E8D718A0F965F014DDFF8@NA-MAIL-1-1.rws.ad.ea.com> Message-ID: Matt, Is there a source on the internet to view these pictures you mention of number 40? Simply curious to see the car. Thanks Dan > From: MTaylor at ea.com > To: michael.s.king at gmail.com; sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net > Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:51:29 -0700 > CC: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] early shifter knobs (150358810575) > > The "white" Tiger in all of those early US magazines was actually Gordon > Chittenden's other Tiger. It was actually Moonstone and was number 40. If > anyone knows what happened to this Tiger, please let me know. > > Thanks, > Matthew > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] early shifter knobs (150358810575) > > IIRC the early US road test of the white Tiger (the one with the photoshoot > of the girl in the white jumper) that car was vynil dash and had the > mushroom shifter visable in the photos. > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as shelbycuda at hotmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _________________________________________________________________ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM From moonstonetiger at gmail.com Wed Aug 5 22:32:17 2009 From: moonstonetiger at gmail.com (sean ford) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:32:17 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] aol failure Message-ID: Don't know about anybody else but, AOL has taken a dump again! This is getting me pissed. (sorry for the language, but that's as clean as I can make it) Dr Moonstone From drmoonstone at aol.com Wed Aug 5 22:38:46 2009 From: drmoonstone at aol.com (drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 00:38:46 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Test AOL Message-ID: <8CBE466EBA7586D-A3C-99B@webmail-dh46.sysops.aol.com> Doesn't work anymore? Dr Moonstone From achd73 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 5 22:40:33 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] BW T10's - early Tigers In-Reply-To: <4647725BD92640E08D50AE45CD680490@JIMPC> Message-ID: <957025.63998.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jim- I love my AMC T5 swap. I paid dearly to stop the fluid leak but good machine work isnt cheap. I have a 1A Im sanding on and would love to find another AMC. I searched every salvage within a 100 mile radius of St. Louis- minus the ones I couldnt find a number for and the price of scrap went so high last summer I cant imangine any of the Concords or Sprits surviving the mash machine. Prolly being made into something in China for us to buy back later. So if you locate another, let me know please. TtT --- On Wed, 8/5/09, Jim wrote: > From: Jim > Subject: Re: [Tigers] BW T10's - early Tigers > To: "'Cullen McCann'" , "'Beamclub'" > Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 9:08 PM > "... I do have a good WC T5 that will > rebuild, but haven't sprung yet for a > tail housing solution such as Tom H's ideal fitment or one > of the other > bodgered workarounds,..." > > I take offence at my WC z-spec AMC tailhoused swap at being > called that !! > > Those AMC trans are not as hard to find as you might > think... just found > another for a friend...$225 including shipping clear across > the country... > There are a couple mods to do of course...total cost ( if > you farmed it all > out ) probably around $800 plus the trans ...yes, I had to > cut the tunnel a > bit... but I can still remove the shift housing IN THE CAR > . Placement is > good... put the stick on the left side of the Hurst stub > and it's perfect. I > can give you all the details if you like... > > > Jim > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Cullen McCann > Sent: August 5, 2009 1:09 PM > To: Beamclub > Subject: [Tigers] BW T10's - early Tigers > > Resending... > > > > > > > > > > All, I have a question about this transmission application > issue...on a > different note. I purchased my Tiger out of a barn ( > classic barn find, it > was > priceless) and it was purchased without the factory correct > drive train. I > do > have a motor for the car ( a later model 302 based motor) > but have not yet > selected a transmission. I do have a good WC T5 that will > rebuild, but > haven't > sprung yet for a tail housing solution such as Tom H's > ideal fitment or one > of > the other bodgered workarounds, mainly due to cost. I was > considering the > toploader of course...but I used to have a Galaxie with a > T10, and I liked > that old stick shift...which brings me to the questions: > > > > 1. will the T10 bolt right in to fit the body? > > 2. in other words, were the bodies were the same as the > cars after 65 > correct? > the shifter location on the T10 will hit the hole in the > floor just as the > correct length toploader will, right? > > 3. Does the T10 come in different lengths like the > toploader? > > 4. Last question, is there a bellhousing available for a > T10 to fit a let > model block? ( assuming the 5 bolt vs 6 bolt issue is > applicable) > > > > ......now I know everyone will try to give me the pros and > cons for all 3 > above transmission possibilities, driving quality, > originality...and > honestly, > I know what the strengths and weaknesses basically are for > the functionality > of all 3, it's the fitment that I'm sketchy on...and I know > that my car > would > have had a toploader originally.... > > > > ..... but we all know how I feel about that...back to Bob > H's recent > comments > about hose clamps...not my biggest concern...just curious > to know about > T10's > fitting Tigers.... > > > > > > Thanks guys > > > > Cullen > > B382001452 LROFE > You are subscribed as jim at island.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as achd73 at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From sganz at pacbell.net Thu Aug 6 00:03:01 2009 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Hokanson's Gear Ratio Calculator In-Reply-To: <4A7A217C.4030209@SoCal.rr.com> References: <4A7A217C.4030209@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <397154.30747.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You can also use the excel'less version that I did a while ago at http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/GearCalc.html same sort of thing. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Steve Laifman To: Tiger's Den ; BOB HOKANSON Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 5:19:08 PM Subject: [Tigers] Hokanson's Gear Ratio Calculator Tigers (and Bob H.) I made a mistake, once. I thought I was wrong, but it turned out I was right after all. ;-) Not having used Bob's excellent Excel Transmission Calculator in a while, I thought it wasn't functioning. I so stated in the "Re: [Tigers] BW T10's - early Tigers" e-mail response I made to the List. Well, turns out it works, after all. When I returned to my Mac "Desktop" (default download), I had 15 copies of the Excel file on the desktop awaiting me, hidden by the pages I had open. They were downloaded by my default desktop download location preference setting. In typical Mac fashion, double-clicking on the spread sheet icon (document) auto-opens the Excel program and the "Calculator". This program is really a beautiful, practical, way to evaluate - with each variable able to be changed and examined for result. (Tire Size, All of 12 of them worked just fine. If you do NOT have the Excel program, there is a ** free ** "Excel Reader" program link in the article (but I don't think the parameters are able to be changed in the free "read only" program - I don't know. http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2000/xlviewer.asp "Try-it Mikey, you'll like it!" If you have never tried this Hokanson program, you will discover just how nice it is. Change tire size, rear-end and tranny gear ratios. (4 and 5 speed default), rpm, shift gears, and 6 different transmissions - OR, select your own tranny and rear end ratios. Fantastic "What If" program. Thank you, Bob Hokanson. Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 01:28:01 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:28:01 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Engine and cam numbers In-Reply-To: <0B7913305FC0498BAC82BF521108BBAE@ronpc1> References: <0B7913305FC0498BAC82BF521108BBAE@ronpc1> Message-ID: Thanks everyone for the quick response :-) - board proves hwo valuable it is again... noe for the next questions! -- Regards Michael King From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Aug 6 01:29:37 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:29:37 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Procomp Message-ID: For the last couple of years a company called "Procomp" has been advertising MSD/Crane style igntions and distributors here in Austrlaia, they also sell stroker kits for the SBF. these are all very cheap in comparison to known brands, does anyone have any idea or knowledge of their stuff.. not buying.. just curious. -- Regards Michael King From cmccann at lwpb.com Thu Aug 6 08:21:05 2009 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:21:05 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] BW T10's - early Tigers In-Reply-To: <4647725BD92640E08D50AE45CD680490@JIMPC> References: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333B7BE116AD@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> <4647725BD92640E08D50AE45CD680490@JIMPC> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333B7BE117BE@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> lol, thanks Jim, well I do apologize for the generalization on the amc swap....of course if you get the sales pitch on Tom's housing it makes the amc swap look like a mess, but I assure you I have really nothing to compare it to, because all I know so far with Tigers is toploaders. If I decide to pursue the t5 I will probably still do the amc housing if I can find it simply because I cant really afford Toms Kit... ( no offense Tom, it's an awesome solution, just difficult for me to do right now with a brand new baby) but I did buy the s-10 tailhousing and shaft. ( it was one of the other "workarounds" I was referring to....) but it appeared to me that it would work fine if the housing or the entire tranny was clocked counterclockwise to get the shifter to hit the hole in the body...a person could do this fairly easily with an aftermarket bellhousing right? just re drill the bellhousing for the rotation...I don't know precisely, I havent gotten that far into it yet, which is why im testing the waters on toploaders, vs T5s with all the different tail options, vs t10's, vs...and like I said before, im fairly familiar with the pros and cons of how each tranny behaves from prior experience...but fitment on the Tiger is where im learing...and the only option I really cant consider fully right now is Toms, but I do like the idea of the T5, and I already have the gear box ready to go... just thinking out loud....comments are welcomed.... "... I do have a good WC T5 that will rebuild, but haven't sprung yet for a tail housing solution such as Tom H's ideal fitment or one of the other bodgered workarounds,..." I take offence at my WC z-spec AMC tailhoused swap at being called that !! Those AMC trans are not as hard to find as you might think... just found another for a friend...$225 including shipping clear across the country... There are a couple mods to do of course...total cost ( if you farmed it all out ) probably around $800 plus the trans ...yes, I had to cut the tunnel a bit... but I can still remove the shift housing IN THE CAR . Placement is good... put the stick on the left side of the Hurst stub and it's perfect. I can give you all the details if you like... From cmccann at lwpb.com Thu Aug 6 08:22:48 2009 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:22:48 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] BW T10's - early Tigers In-Reply-To: <957025.63998.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4647725BD92640E08D50AE45CD680490@JIMPC> <957025.63998.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333B7BE117BF@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> and me as well, well Tony first, then me...I looked all over craigslist, eBay, and personally searched the salvage yards near me...no luck. I gave up on finding an amc housing quite some time ago... Subject: Re: [Tigers] BW T10's - early Tigers Jim- I love my AMC T5 swap. I paid dearly to stop the fluid leak but good machine work isnt cheap. I have a 1A Im sanding on and would love to find another AMC. I searched every salvage within a 100 mile radius of St. Louis- minus the ones I couldnt find a number for and the price of scrap went so high last summer I cant imangine any of the Concords or Sprits surviving the mash machine. Prolly being made into something in China for us to buy back later. So if you locate another, let me know please. TtT From MTaylor at ea.com Thu Aug 6 10:10:41 2009 From: MTaylor at ea.com (Taylor, Matthew) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:10:41 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] early shifter knobs (150358810575) In-Reply-To: References: <997656.1695.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <601958.5133.qm@web83702.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <3FA9E5EE4E0C2F4C8A5F7E8D718A0F965F014DDFF8@NA-MAIL-1-1.rws.ad.ea.com> Message-ID: <3FA9E5EE4E0C2F4C8A5F7E8D718A0F965F014DE055@NA-MAIL-1-1.rws.ad.ea.com> Not that I know of, but you can get the Gold Portfolio from Rick at Sunbeam Specialties. It has many of the early reviews and pictures. Subject: Re: [Tigers] early shifter knobs (150358810575) Matt, Is there a source on the internet to view these pictures you mention of number 40? Simply curious to see the car. Thanks Dan Subject: Re: [Tigers] early shifter knobs (150358810575) The "white" Tiger in all of those early US magazines was actually Gordon Chittenden's other Tiger. It was actually Moonstone and was number 40. If anyone knows what happened to this Tiger, please let me know. From milward at roadrunner.com Thu Aug 6 11:58:00 2009 From: milward at roadrunner.com (Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:58:00 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Headlamp Flasher Message-ID: Here is a question for the gurus: Have any Tigers ever been fitted from the factory with a headlamp flashing feature operated by the turn signal stalk? This is mentioned under the Electrical Section p26 of the Workshop Manual as Headlamp flasher switch (if fitted) but does not appear in the wiring diagram as far as I can tell. Question two: Has the diameter of the steering column been changed over the life of the design? My Mk1 was outside for a while in Hermosa Beach and the chrome suffered, including the turn signal stalk (Chromed on B9472703). I had heard somewhere that the Volvo switch was interchangeable and had the headlamp flash feature, so I have been looking for such a switch. At SUNI Doug Jennings had a switch with that feature and 6 wires coming out instead of 4. It needed repair with the SS kit, but I bought it and fixed it. However when I tried the install it would not fit because the shaft diameter in my car is 1.65" and the new switch uses a different die casting designed to go over a shafy about 1.3" diameter. The stalk was plastic coated but I cut off the plastic and polished the metal shaft to make it more original looking. BillRo From harryb at elams.org Thu Aug 6 13:42:53 2009 From: harryb at elams.org (Harry B. Elam) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:42:53 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger flasher Message-ID: <4A7B323D.8030504@elams.org> Bill, I really don't know the answer to your question. When I bought B382000471 in 1983 it had the flasher feature. I have been looking for a spare for years, since I "modified" mine to accept a cruise control. Harry Elam From wwwdg at webtv.net Thu Aug 6 14:08:14 2009 From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:08:14 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] early shifter knobs (150358810575) In-Reply-To: "Taylor, Matthew" 's message of Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:10:41 -0700 Message-ID: Probably 25 years ago when my brother David and I bought an early Mk1 Tiger #24. It has the normal Tiger shift knob. We noted Tigers in period magazines had the Cobra shift knobs so we started looking for the Cobra knob to put the "correct" knob on #24. At an STOA club meeting we were talking to Terry Taylor about it and he said Ian Garrad liked the Cobra knob and he put one on all the cars that he drove at the time and those cars were the ones used in the magazine articles. Terry believed the Cobra knob was only used on cars Ian Garrad put them on. Matthew Taylor ask your father about this. I don't remember if car #33 mentioned earlier with the Cobra knob was purchased new or used. Of course #24 could have had the knob replaced sometime in its life. Gary Franchi From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Thu Aug 6 14:56:07 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 13:56:07 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Headlamp Flasher In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A7B4367.2020101@SoCal.rr.com> Bill, Here is the direct quote from the Factory Workshop Manual (pp 26): Headlamp flasher switch (if fitted) http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmN26.asp */"The direction Indicator switch also incorporates the switch for flashing the headlamps, this is achieved by moving the lever stalk towards the steering wheel and in so doing an Insulated spring-loaded plunger, operated by the Inner end of the lever, is depressed to make switch contact so that both headlamps Illuminate and will remain so until upward pressure on the lever is released. When the lever is released the switch will return to the OFF position under the influence of its spring and the headlamps will extinguish. Headlamp flashing can be accomplished irrespective of the lever position, i.e., whilst using either direction Indicator. When the headlamp flasher system is functioning correctly, each application of the switch lever in the upward direction will illuminate both headlamps. Should either headlamp fall to illuminate a check is to be made to ensure that the connections to the headlamp are secure, if on inspection the connections are found to be satisfactory the lamp unit is to be changed for one which is known to be serviceable. In the event of both headlamps falling to illuminate when the switch is operated, the circuit from the switch to terminal I on the fuse unit is to be checked. If after test the switch is found to be defective, it must be renewed as the switch is irreparable." /* http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsm1.asp and the Electrical Wiring Diagram(s) (Bill Gegg) are at: http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmN35.asp Although I can't seem to find the light horn on either the Mk I or Mk II page. There is no apparent part numbers in the "Tiger Parts List Supplement", as only Tiger peculiar parts are listed and the rest are in the Alpine Parts List. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/FactParts.asp Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories wrote: > Here is a question for the gurus: Have any Tigers ever been fitted from the > factory with a headlamp flashing feature operated by the turn signal stalk? > This is mentioned under the Electrical Section p26 of the Workshop Manual as > Headlamp flasher switch (if fitted) but does not appear in the wiring diagram > as far as I can tell. > > Question two: Has the diameter of the steering column been changed over the > life of the design? > > My Mk1 was outside for a while in Hermosa Beach and the chrome suffered, > including the turn signal stalk (Chromed on B9472703). > I had heard somewhere that the Volvo switch was interchangeable and had the > headlamp flash feature, so I have been looking for such a switch. At SUNI Doug > Jennings had a switch with that feature and 6 wires coming out instead of 4. > It needed repair with the SS kit, but I bought it and fixed it. However when I > tried the install it would not fit because the shaft diameter in my car is > 1.65" and the new switch uses a different die casting designed to go over a > shafy about 1.3" diameter. The stalk was plastic coated but I cut off the > plastic and polished the metal shaft to make it more original looking. > > BillRo From todbrown at roadrunner.com Thu Aug 6 16:00:37 2009 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:00:37 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Headlamp Flasher Message-ID: <4A7B5285.6060406@roadrunner.com> Although I could be wrong, it is my understanding that the headlamp flasher switch was not fitted to either the Alpine or the Tiger in North America, probably because it was either illegal or not something NA drivers were familiar with. Controlling headlamp functions with your hand was a decidedly European thing, unlike this side of the pond where we used our foot. The CAT Shop Notes indicate that the switch with the extra contact came from the Volvo 140 Series. I use one on my Tiger to activate the horns, since I did away with the horn ring from the stock wheel when I replaced my steering wheel. As noted, it can also be used as a flash-to-pass headlight switch and the connections for such are also outlined in the CAT Shop Notes. I can make a copy for those who wish but it would be well worth your while to join CAT and fork over the $25 for the Shop Notes. It is full of useful info and by joining you will also get access to the parts that CAT supplies. (Sorry for the commercial, but a worthy cause, IMHO). As a plug for the East Coast club, TE/AE, start making your plans for the TE/AE United on Columbus Day Weekend, 2010, in Mid-Coast Maine. Tod B382002384LRXFE From stubrennan at comcast.net Thu Aug 6 17:55:18 2009 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:55:18 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Headlamp Flasher In-Reply-To: <4A7B5285.6060406@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <000001ca16f1$5dae64c0$6601a8c0@Brennan> FWIW, I bought a headlight flasher type turn signal lever from one of our east coast suppliers many years back. It came in a box marked as if it was a Rover part, and fit my Mk 1A perfectly. I just took a quick tour through my easily accessable boxes, but didn't find the box. I did find a spare, in a Lucas box, but the end flaps were missing, and there were no part numbers agailable. I think this is a piece I got from Al Johnson when he sold it all off. I have it switching my horn relay, since my ring has been cracked at times, ans I'd rather not stress it, Stu Brennan From arado7 at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 6 18:11:32 2009 From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Headlamp Flasher In-Reply-To: <4A7B5285.6060406@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <550179.27553.qm@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My car B947282 has flasher fitted from original. Ive used it for manyyears. Same function on my 1973 Norton. Must be a British thing.... Regards Gary Moore --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Tod Brown wrote: From: Tod Brown Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlamp Flasher To: tigers at autox.team.net, "Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories" Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 10:00 PM Although I could be wrong, it is my understanding that the headlamp flasher switch was not fitted to either the Alpine or the Tiger in North America, probably because it was either illegal or not something NA drivers were familiar with. Controlling headlamp functions with your hand was a decidedly European thing, unlike this side of the pond where we used our foot. The CAT Shop Notes indicate that the switch with the extra contact came from the Volvo 140 Series. I use one on my Tiger to activate the horns, since I did away with the horn ring from the stock wheel when I replaced my steering wheel. As noted, it can also be used as a flash-to-pass headlight switch and the connections for such are also outlined in the CAT Shop Notes. I can make a copy for those who wish but it would be well worth your while to join CAT and fork over the $25 for the Shop Notes. It is full of useful info and by joining you will also get access to the parts that CAT supplies. (Sorry for the commercial, but a worthy cause, IMHO). As a plug for the East Coast club, TE/AE, start making your plans for the TE/AE United on Columbus Day Weekend, 2010, in Mid-Coast Maine. Tod B382002384LRXFE You are subscribed as arado7 at sbcglobal.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From DJoh797014 at aol.com Thu Aug 6 18:45:04 2009 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 20:45:04 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Has AOL struck again Message-ID: Sent from AOL **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Aug 6 19:07:28 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:07:28 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Headlamp Flasher In-Reply-To: <000001ca16f1$5dae64c0$6601a8c0@Brennan> Message-ID: <51F78E72224A44EA89C19C91F13EB7F3@ronpc1> My Alpine Parts list shows the Rootes part #1223742 for the headlamp flasher and there is a 2nd number at the end; 34719A. I believe 34719A is a Lucas number. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stu Brennan Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 7:55 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlamp Flasher FWIW, I bought a headlight flasher type turn signal lever from one of our east coast suppliers many years back. It came in a box marked as if it was a Rover part, and fit my Mk 1A perfectly. I just took a quick tour through my easily accessable boxes, but didn't find the box. I did find a spare, in a Lucas box, but the end flaps were missing, and there were no part numbers agailable. I think this is a piece I got from Al Johnson when he sold it all off. I have it switching my horn relay, since my ring has been cracked at times, ans I'd rather not stress it, Stu Brennan You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.44/2283 - Release Date: 08/06/09 05:57:00 From scattt at verizon.net Thu Aug 6 19:19:40 2009 From: scattt at verizon.net (Scattt) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:19:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] intake References: <957025.63998.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This past week-end I saw a Tiger with a extreme low riser aluminum intake. I was wondering if anyone knows what the application was. The runners are in the valley with the manifold being nearly flat on top. It had a 1 inch spacer with a Holley 4 bbl and a 3 inch filter and still set about a inch under the cowl. The numbers cast in are 10013956 with a date code of 11-16-65. Nick From DJoh797014 at aol.com Thu Aug 6 19:27:56 2009 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:27:56 EDT Subject: [Tigers] AOL is at it again Message-ID: Is anyone getting this? From cmccann at lwpb.com Thu Aug 6 20:17:03 2009 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:17:03 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] AOL is at it again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0918C6A3-B8B8-439C-898C-99C48E4D9308@lwpb.com> Loud and clear.. Sent from my mobile... On Aug 6, 2009, at 8:54 PM, "DJoh797014 at aol.com" wrote: > Is anyone getting this? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as cmccann at lwpb.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From wseay at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 6 20:24:28 2009 From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:24:28 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Headlamp Flasher References: <51F78E72224A44EA89C19C91F13EB7F3@ronpc1> Message-ID: I just recently bought a turn signal switch with flasher on epay. Was advertized as Lucas NOS for Alpine and Tiger. Lucas P/N is 34721. After Bill's post I decided I had better measure the switch. Dimension across the yoke is about 1.62 inches. Looks about right. Better check it on the car before I get too serious about my flasher project. Horn on my 1A works OK so I'm planning to use the switch as a flasher - and then some. Plan is to make it flash if the lights are off and to make it toggle between hi beam and lo beam if lights are on. To that end I have already bought some of the very finest 12V relays (about $10.00 for a set of five on epay - made in China). I'll only need two relays for the job; the rest will be solid-state magic. Shouldn't need the floor switch any more after the conversion but will probably leave it where it is so things look correct. - Will B3820011570 ____________________________ Will Seay wseay at embarqmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Stu Brennan'" ; Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlamp Flasher My Alpine Parts list shows the Rootes part #1223742 for the headlamp flasher and there is a 2nd number at the end; 34719A. I believe 34719A is a Lucas number. Ron Fraser From crbernardino at mac.com Thu Aug 6 20:54:34 2009 From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:54:34 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 3D Printing Now Available in Stainless Steel, Adamantium Next? Message-ID: <271E6F2A-C00F-464F-9542-3908C27D9364@mac.com> Sorry I have been quiet of recent. Thanks for everyones help with the shifter. Some loose bolts and adjusting fixed my shifter blues. Since I have been attacked by the ghost of Lucas and his rarified smoke which has forced me to stop driving the cat daily. It is in a garage now awaiting me to replace the wiring harness after much smoke and fanfare. No fire just smoldering wiring casings. In the mean time I picked up a 2001 Audi TT as my daily driver. SOmething to be said for not smelling like petrol when I see patients. However, I recently tried to change the timing belt and was stymied by german gremlins. Anyway, here is an interesting article about 3D printing. $10 per cubic CM does not seem too expensive. Or does it? Rob http://gizmodo.com/5331873/3d-printing-now-available-in-stainless-steel-adamantium-next/gallery/ Rob in CT 1966 Mk1A Tiger B382000262 LRXFE JAL660245 Color Code 39: Carnival Red From todbrown at roadrunner.com Thu Aug 6 21:00:40 2009 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 23:00:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Headlight Flasher Message-ID: <4A7B98D8.7040203@roadrunner.com> I stand corrected. Could it be that a change was made somewhere along in the run? My Tiger IA is a late one and did not have the switch originally. Any info from Norm? Tod B382002384LRXFE From Tiger at Sabr2th.com Thu Aug 6 21:45:02 2009 From: Tiger at Sabr2th.com (Mark Meswarb) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:45:02 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tired of AOL Posts? Message-ID: Anybody else getting tired of all the AOL-not-working posts. Can9t believe anybody but 11 year old girls still have to use AOL. From maliburevue at yahoo.com Fri Aug 7 00:24:44 2009 From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Headlamp Flasher In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <621595.14621.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Will, I ran my flasher switch in parallel to the floor switch. I just tapped off the connectors to the floor switch next to the steering column and ran a constant hot lead to one side of the switch, that way I am just temporarilly closing the existing highbeam circuit. No need for any relays and not much wiring involved. I get to keep my floor switch for highway driving as needed and it still flashes with the lights off, since it has it's own power. Gary --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Will Seay wrote: From: Will Seay Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlamp Flasher To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 7:24 PM I just recently bought a turn signal switch with flasher on epay. Was advertized as Lucas NOS for Alpine and Tiger. Lucas P/N is 34721. After Bill's post I decided I had better measure the switch. Dimension across the yoke is about 1.62 inches. Looks about right. Better check it on the car before I get too serious about my flasher project. Horn on my 1A works OK so I'm planning to use the switch as a flasher - and then some. Plan is to make it flash if the lights are off and to make it toggle between hi beam and lo beam if lights are on. To that end I have already bought some of the very finest 12V relays (about $10.00 for a set of five on epay - made in China). I'll only need two relays for the job; the rest will be solid-state magic. Shouldn't need the floor switch any more after the conversion but will probably leave it where it is so things look correct. - Will B3820011570 ____________________________ Will Seay wseay at embarqmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: " Ron Fraser" To: "'Stu Brennan'" ; Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlamp Flasher My Alpine Parts list shows the Rootes part #1223742 for the headlamp flasher and there is a 2nd number at the end; 34719A. I believe 34719A is a Lucas number. Ron Fraser You are subscribed as maliburevue at yahoo.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From huffb at southslope.net Fri Aug 7 02:21:46 2009 From: huffb at southslope.net (Brad Huff) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 03:21:46 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Message-ID: What brand and type of oil are you guys with solid lifter cams using? I've heard that there are issues with today's off the shelf brands.-Brad From achd73 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 7 04:02:45 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 03:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tired of AOL Posts? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <804975.33012.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mark- I noticed its been awhile since you posted to the LIST. Perhaps if the question you ask is the best you can do, you should not post again- for awhile that is.The members having problems receiving LIST mail are all my friends and although it doesnt affect you, it has them and unless they ask if their mail is posting, as they also receive a copy or will if the servers are working- enough said. Show some respect. TtT --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Mark Meswarb wrote: > From: Mark Meswarb > Subject: [Tigers] Tired of AOL Posts? > To: "Tigers" > Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 10:45 PM > Anybody else getting tired of all the > AOL-not-working posts. > Can9t believe anybody but 11 year old girls still have to > use AOL. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as achd73 at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From lpaulick at comcast.net Fri Aug 7 08:01:55 2009 From: lpaulick at comcast.net (Larry Paulick) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:01:55 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Headlamp Flasher In-Reply-To: <4A7B4367.2020101@SoCal.rr.com> References: <4A7B4367.2020101@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <4A7C33D3.5020207@comcast.net> From a 1996 email from Norm, the following are part numbers for the headlight flasher. Also, and more important, Electrical Expert Theo Smit, provided a wiring diagram for the headlight flasher system, with relays, to provide the proper electrical circuit for a high energy demand on the wiring system. Larry Larry, John Hess forwarded your cry for help. The Lucas part number for the European turn signal switch is 34981-E. I have also found 34981-D and I have a box which is marked 34982, but I'm not sure it carried the proper unit. Hope this helps, Norm Steve Laifman wrote: > Bill, > > > Here is the direct quote from the Factory Workshop Manual (pp 26): > > Headlamp flasher switch (if fitted) > > http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmN26.asp > > */"The direction Indicator switch also incorporates the switch for > flashing the headlamps, this is achieved by moving the lever stalk > towards the steering wheel and in so doing an Insulated spring-loaded > plunger, operated by the Inner end of the lever, is depressed to make > switch contact so that both headlamps Illuminate and will > remain so until upward pressure on the lever is released. When the > lever is released the switch will return to the OFF position under the > influence of its spring and the headlamps will extinguish. > > Headlamp flashing can be accomplished irrespective of the lever > position, i.e., whilst using either direction Indicator. > > When the headlamp flasher system is functioning correctly, each > application of the switch lever in the upward direction will illuminate > both headlamps. > > Should either headlamp fall to illuminate a check is to be made to > ensure that the connections to the headlamp are secure, if on inspection > the connections are found to be satisfactory the lamp unit is to be > changed for one which is known to be serviceable. > > In the event of both headlamps falling to illuminate when the switch is > operated, the circuit from the switch to terminal I on the fuse unit is > to be checked. If after test the switch is found to be defective, it > must be renewed as the switch is irreparable." > /* > http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsm1.asp > > and the Electrical Wiring Diagram(s) (Bill Gegg) are at: > > http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmN35.asp > > Although I can't seem to find the light horn on either the Mk I or Mk II > page. > > There is no apparent part numbers in the "Tiger Parts List Supplement", > as only Tiger peculiar parts are listed and the rest are in the Alpine > Parts List. > > http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/FactParts.asp > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > > Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories wrote: > >> Here is a question for the gurus: Have any Tigers ever been fitted from the >> factory with a headlamp flashing feature operated by the turn signal stalk? >> This is mentioned under the Electrical Section p26 of the Workshop Manual as >> Headlamp flasher switch (if fitted) but does not appear in the wiring diagram >> as far as I can tell. >> >> Question two: Has the diameter of the steering column been changed over the >> life of the design? >> >> My Mk1 was outside for a while in Hermosa Beach and the chrome suffered, >> including the turn signal stalk (Chromed on B9472703). >> I had heard somewhere that the Volvo switch was interchangeable and had the >> headlamp flash feature, so I have been looking for such a switch. At SUNI Doug >> Jennings had a switch with that feature and 6 wires coming out instead of 4. >> It needed repair with the SS kit, but I bought it and fixed it. However when I >> tried the install it would not fit because the shaft diameter in my car is >> 1.65" and the new switch uses a different die casting designed to go over a >> shafy about 1.3" diameter. The stalk was plastic coated but I cut off the >> plastic and polished the metal shaft to make it more original looking. >> >> BillRo From lpaulick at comcast.net Fri Aug 7 08:06:10 2009 From: lpaulick at comcast.net (Larry Paulick) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:06:10 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Headlamp Flasher In-Reply-To: <4A7B5285.6060406@roadrunner.com> References: <4A7B5285.6060406@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <4A7C34D2.6080501@comcast.net> I obtained my switch from a 1965 Alpine GT left hand drive, I found in Maryland in the mid 90's, that was destined for the junk yard. Larry Tod Brown wrote: > Although I could be wrong, it is my understanding that the headlamp > flasher switch was not fitted to either the Alpine or the Tiger in > North America, probably because it was either illegal or not something > NA drivers were familiar with. Controlling headlamp functions with > your hand was a decidedly European thing, unlike this side of the pond > where we used our foot. The CAT Shop Notes indicate that the switch > with the extra contact came from the Volvo 140 Series. I use one on > my Tiger to activate the horns, since I did away with the horn ring > from the stock wheel when I replaced my steering wheel. As noted, it > can also be used as a flash-to-pass headlight switch and the > connections for such are also outlined in the CAT Shop Notes. I can > make a copy for those who wish but it would be well worth your while > to join CAT and fork over the $25 for the Shop Notes. It is full of > useful info and by joining you will also get access to the parts that > CAT supplies. > (Sorry for the commercial, but a worthy cause, IMHO). > > As a plug for the East Coast club, TE/AE, start making your plans for > the TE/AE United on Columbus Day Weekend, 2010, in Mid-Coast Maine. > > Tod > B382002384LRXFE From mark.rense at ge.com Fri Aug 7 08:13:13 2009 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:13:13 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Oil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Brad, You are correct, petroleum-based oils sold today have had to lower the anti-wear/anti-scuff additive packages due to pressure from the EPA. The zinc in ZDDP attacks catalytic converters. Most of us have switched to synthetics like Mobile 1 or Redline, or gone with a specialty motor oil made to the old SAE SF/SG standards from someone like Brad Penn, as these have the additive packages. If you look at most motorcycle-specific oils, they are formulated with the higher additive packages as well. Another option is to add a supplement to the plain old Castrol you buy at Wal-Mart. Edelbrock, Lucas and CompCams all offer this as "break-in" supplement, you add 1/3 a bottle or so with every oil change. Here are some sites for researching this eternal can-o-worms question. http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html#Z5 http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brad Huff Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 4:22 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Oil What brand and type of oil are you guys with solid lifter cams using? I've heard that there are issues with today's off the shelf brands.-Brad From milward at roadrunner.com Fri Aug 7 12:33:10 2009 From: milward at roadrunner.com (Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:33:10 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Headlight Flasher Message-ID: <373700592B2546E9B11E897B81D2B01F@BillPC> Thanks much to everyone for supplying information on this. To summarize the comments, CAT Shop Notes and as a result of further research on my part, it appears that all Tiger and Alpine columns are the same. Headlight flashers were on European cars but not generally on US cars but perhaps on some. There are/were quite a few of these switches around because several people have retrofitted them, often to provide horn capability when the steering wheel was changed for an after market item. At least on my car (Mk1 2703) the stock switch, without the flasher feature, has Lucas P/N 34720B. The Lucas model number for everthing is 85SA The following P/Ns will fit directly: 34719, 34721, 34981 They have varying letter suffixes to indicate mod level. P/N 35557 is probably Volvo and fits a smaller diameter column, but can be adapted to Tiger/Aplines by making custom brackets. Per a 1967 Lucas catalogue for Rootes vehicles (Hillman, Humber, Singer,Sunbeam, Commer and Karrier) P/Ns 35558, 35612, 35690 and 35691 also have combination indicators and flashers but their usability on Tigers is unknown. Similar switches were fitted to other cars including Volvo and Rover. There is a rumor that the switch for an MGB, Sprite, Midget (Moss Motors P/N 141-770) can be fitted/adapted? to the Tiger and is available new at $79.95. Bill Rogers From MTaylor at ea.com Fri Aug 7 15:10:34 2009 From: MTaylor at ea.com (Taylor, Matthew) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:10:34 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] early shifter knobs (150358810575) In-Reply-To: <19783-4A7B382E-5152@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> References: "Taylor, Matthew" 's message of Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:10:41 -0700 <19783-4A7B382E-5152@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <3FA9E5EE4E0C2F4C8A5F7E8D718A0F965F014DE47E@NA-MAIL-1-1.rws.ad.ea.com> Hi Gary. I talked to him and he doesn't recall that. He thought the first 56 Tigers had the Cobra knob with the T10. Ian made up the chrome T handle with the Tiger head stickers on the ends (The stickers fell off pretty quickly). He doesn't know how many cars Ian put those on, but it would have been very few if any other than the one that was installed on the AHRA Tiger. Matthew Subject: Re: [Tigers] early shifter knobs (150358810575) Probably 25 years ago when my brother David and I bought an early Mk1 Tiger #24. It has the normal Tiger shift knob. We noted Tigers in period magazines had the Cobra shift knobs so we started looking for the Cobra knob to put the "correct" knob on #24. At an STOA club meeting we were talking to Terry Taylor about it and he said Ian Garrad liked the Cobra knob and he put one on all the cars that he drove at the time and those cars were the ones used in the magazine articles. Terry believed the Cobra knob was only used on cars Ian Garrad put them on. Matthew Taylor ask your father about this. I don't remember if car #33 mentioned earlier with the Cobra knob was purchased new or used. Of course #24 could have had the knob replaced sometime in its life. Gary Franchi From wrightsinseabrook at speakeasy.net Fri Aug 7 15:18:59 2009 From: wrightsinseabrook at speakeasy.net (Larry & Susan) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:18:59 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] early shifter knobs Message-ID: I'd be interested in a repro, if not priced at BON levels. I find the OEM Tiger knob uncomfortable, but have avoided alternatives like Hurst or Amco knobs; at least the "mushroom" is appropriate for some Tigers somewhere. Anyone know whom/where? Lawrence & Susan Wright 9418 Dubarry Avenue Seabrook, MD 20706 (301) 577-6574 wrightsinseabrook at speakeasy.net ------------------------- Paul R Sheahan wrote: Subject: Re: [Tigers] early shifter knobs (150358810575) Tony, I actually was fortunate enough to TAC an early Tiger two weeks ago that had a T 10 transmission with the mushroom gear shift knob. A couple of the guys there said that there is a guy reproducing the knob now. I have photos of the car if you are interested. From sganz at pacbell.net Fri Aug 7 16:05:02 2009 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Headlight Flasher In-Reply-To: <373700592B2546E9B11E897B81D2B01F@BillPC> References: <373700592B2546E9B11E897B81D2B01F@BillPC> Message-ID: <927690.59154.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anyone try the below number? I would love have an option to change out the foot switch and have a back up for the turn switch as well. Sandy "There is a rumor that the switch for an MGB, Sprite, Midget (Moss Motors P/N 141-770) can be fitted/adapted? to the Tiger and is available new at $79.95." From achd73 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 7 16:40:39 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] early shifter knobs/ signal lever In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <605042.14912.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There was one on ebay that lead to me asking about Tigers ever having a round knob. Ive seen a second since then. Price was high on the first but reasonable on the second. There was also a signal light lever like being discussed. Listed for a Hillman I think. Buy it now $59 and shipping but I contacted Bill and he bought it already.If anyone has contact in the UK, that would be where I would look. TtT --- On Fri, 8/7/09, Larry & Susan wrote: > From: Larry & Susan > Subject: Re: [Tigers] early shifter knobs > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 4:18 PM > I'd be interested in a repro, if not > priced at BON levels. I find the OEM > Tiger knob uncomfortable, but have avoided alternatives > like Hurst or Amco > knobs; at least the "mushroom" is appropriate for some > Tigers somewhere. > Anyone know whom/where? > > Lawrence & Susan Wright > 9418 Dubarry Avenue > Seabrook, MD 20706 > (301) 577-6574 > wrightsinseabrook at speakeasy.net > ------------------------- > > Paul R Sheahan > wrote: > Subject: Re: [Tigers] early shifter knobs (150358810575) > > Tony, > I actually was fortunate enough to TAC > an early Tiger two weeks ago > that > had a T 10 transmission with the mushroom gear shift > knob. A couple of the > guys there said that there is a guy reproducing the knob > now. > I have photos of the car if you are > interested. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as achd73 at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From stubrennan at comcast.net Sat Aug 8 19:27:50 2009 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:27:50 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Three New England Events for the Summer/Fall Message-ID: <000501ca1890$9c010430$6601a8c0@Brennan> Here are three New England events to finish out the year. August 23: The Race of the Century at the Collings Foundation in Stow, MA. The entire collection of cars and aircraft housed at the site will be on display. Cars and aircraft from their collection, and perhaps some real horsepower, will participate in a series of "races" to demonstrate the various stages of the advancement of transportation technology. >From the Collings web site: Race of the Century August 22nd and 23rd Stow, MA Hours: 8:30 AM to 4:30 PM An extraordinary event that pits some of the greatest technological advancements in air and ground transportation against each other in a series of "races" Exhibits and displays throughout the event. The entire Collings Foundation collection will be open for viewing. Races start around 1:00 PM. Entire Facility Open Daily: 8:30 AM to 4:30 PM Gate Fee: $15 Adults / $10 Children This is a public event. No reservations are needed. (Line up of events subject to change) See my pictures from last year at: http://www.pbase.com/sb_photos/raceofcentury For more information and directions, see: http://www.collingsfoundation.org/cf_RofC2009.htm It's probably best to get there around lunch time. We'll try to get together for lunch around noon. They had food there last year, not so great, so you might want to bring a picnic lunch. I'll contact them and see if they will let us park along the tree line again. The handful of us who went last year had a great time, so plan on joining us. Please RSVP to me if you are planning to go. Labor Day Weekend: The Lime Rock Vintage races. Always a great show, sometimes with a Sunbeam or two on the track (No guarantees, of course!). The parking lot is a car show in itself! Saturday and Monday the action is on the track, and Sunday there's a huge car show. October 3-4: Plan on heading "Downeast" to Tod Brown's two day Midcoast Maine Two Day gathering. Lots of great food, touring along the scenic coast, decked out in its fall beauty, and a stop at the Owl's Head Transportation Museum for their Foreign Car and Antique Aircraft festival. Tod's event has been growing every year, and is tons of fun. But wait, there's more! This exact area will host the 2010 TE/AE United, so you will be able to preview the region a year ahead! The United organizers will be there with information, discussing their ideas and soliciting more, and yes, looking for volunteers. Come one day or both! You won't regret it! For information, contact Tod Brown at: todbrown at roadrunner.com From achd73 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 8 19:38:17 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 18:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] control arms Message-ID: <423792.20644.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Would someone who knows for certain confirm the upper and lower A-arms are the same on S3- Alpines as the ones used on Tigers or was the Tiger a reinforced part? TtT From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Sat Aug 8 20:18:49 2009 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:18:49 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] control arms In-Reply-To: <423792.20644.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <423792.20644.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0908081918n38f1d91fpc16859f5c253d0ef@mail.gmail.com> The alpine lowers have the steering stop by the ball joint that should be ground off. On 8/8/09, Tony Somebody wrote: > Would someone who knows for certain confirm the upper and lower A-arms are > the same on S3- Alpines as the ones used on Tigers or was the Tiger a > reinforced part? > TtT > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From srwick at hotmail.com Sun Aug 9 06:33:24 2009 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 05:33:24 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Ammeters Message-ID: A previous owner of my car apparently thought it was a good idea to rewire the ammeter directly from the battery stud on the starter solenoid into the main harness, and not use a fuse or circuit breaker. The battery power wire at the back of my alternator came out of the crimp connector (also done by the p.o. when he switched from generator to alternator) and shorted out, causing the ammeter to act as a fuse. I need to know if anyone has a company they recommend for rebuilding the ammeter, as I like to have all my original parts working, and then I really need to find one meant for alternators with the higher amp readings. I have installed a 40 amp circuit breaker in line and bypassed the ammeter for now. Steve (in N.Id. and can attest to the fact that a '65 Tiger looks really small on the back of a flatbed tow truck) From phastphill at aol.com Sun Aug 9 08:30:36 2009 From: phastphill at aol.com (phastphill at aol.com) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 10:30:36 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tired of AOL Posts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBE7151849FFDA-14E8-3DEA@WEBMAIL-DY14.sysops.aol.com> ---- Original Message ---- From: Mark Meswarb To: Tigers Sent: Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:45 pm Subject: [Tigers] Tired of AOL Posts? Anybody else getting tired of all the AOL-not-working posts. Can9t believe anybody but 11 year old girls still have to use AOL. I live in a rural area and the only high speed I can get is AOL.....I don't like it but it beats dial up... ________________________________________________________________________ GameVault: Play free online games at Gamevault.ca. Word arcade, puzzle and more. Play now! http://www.gamevault.ca/?icid=AOLGAM00310000000001 From DJoh797014 at aol.com Sun Aug 9 09:06:09 2009 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 11:06:09 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Oil Message-ID: Brad Back on the list again. This was discussed several times. The synopsis: 1. Modern off the shelf oil have reduced ZDDP because it destroys the catalyst coverter This also causes excessive wear and early failure of the camshafts and lifters. Starting a newly rebuilt engine without the ZDDP will cause problems. 2. This may also apply to Mobol 1 and other synthetics 3. Shell Rotella oil used with diesels has the necessary ZDDP but Shell is reducing the amount. 4. GM sells an additive that contains the ZDDP for their older performance engines. I've seen it at Walmart. My advice 1. Use Mobol 1 with the GM ZDDP additive 2. Use ShellRotella In a message dated 8/9/2009 8:29:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, huffb at southslope.net writes: What brand and type of oil are you guys with solid lifter cams using? I've heard that there are issues with today's off the shelf brands.-Brad You are subscribed as djoh797014 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From zymmer4 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 9 10:17:35 2009 From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 09:17:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tired of AOL Posts? In-Reply-To: <8CBE7151849FFDA-14E8-3DEA@WEBMAIL-DY14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <317449.42569.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi, Most telephone providers also offer DSL as part of their customer package..I have Frontier telephone service so I also added Frontier DSL as part of my package..Verizon also has this feature..many do. I consider AOL as a virus and work hard to get all traces of it off of my computer..There are also many satellite DSL services avaialble..My sister uses DirectTV DSL satellite..Hughes Net is another one..there are many to choose from..Come into the modern day..dump AOL..get the real stuff. Howard The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Sun, 8/9/09, phastphill at aol.com wrote: From: phastphill at aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tired of AOL Posts? To: Tiger at Sabr2th.com, tigers at autox.team.net Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 10:30 AM ---- Original Message ---- From: Mark Meswarb To: Tigers Sent: Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:45 pm Subject: [Tigers] Tired of AOL Posts? Anybody else getting tired of all the AOL-not-working posts. Can9t believe anybody but 11 year old girls still have to use AOL. I live in a rural area and the only high speed I can get is AOL.....I don't like it but it beats dial up... ________________________________________________________________________ GameVault: Play free online games at Gamevault.ca. Word arcade, puzzle and more. Play now! http://www.gamevault.ca/?icid=AOLGAM00310000000001 You are subscribed as zymmer4 at yahoo.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sun Aug 9 12:05:39 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 14:05:39 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Oil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <97EB9439EA35404392D10DEABCBDC0EF@ronpc1> This is a subject we all need to keep up to date on and I'm not caught up yet. Currently most oil on the self has an "SM" certification which means it contains 1/2 the ZDDP additives; you don't want this type of oil with flat tappets. It is also my understanding that Diesel oil will have reduced additives too. It buyer beware out there. You have to keep up on this and you need to know how to read the labels. You are looking for the "SL" rated oil. Castrol Classic is suppose to be OK, Royal Purple has SL rated oil and I believe Motorcycle oil has all the additives. You need to read the labels carefully and you need to keep up to date on all of this. An alternative is to put a roller cam in your engine which does not need all the wear additives. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of DJoh797014 at aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:06 AM To: huffb at southslope.net; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil Brad Back on the list again. This was discussed several times. The synopsis: 1. Modern off the shelf oil have reduced ZDDP because it destroys the catalyst coverter This also causes excessive wear and early failure of the camshafts and lifters. Starting a newly rebuilt engine without the ZDDP will cause problems. 2. This may also apply to Mobol 1 and other synthetics 3. Shell Rotella oil used with diesels has the necessary ZDDP but Shell is reducing the amount. 4. GM sells an additive that contains the ZDDP for their older performance engines. I've seen it at Walmart. My advice 1. Use Mobol 1 with the GM ZDDP additive 2. Use ShellRotella In a message dated 8/9/2009 8:29:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, huffb at southslope.net writes: What brand and type of oil are you guys with solid lifter cams using? I've heard that there are issues with today's off the shelf brands.-Brad You are subscribed as djoh797014 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.48/2292 - Release Date: 08/09/09 08:08:00 From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Aug 6 15:39:27 2009 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:39:27 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Bound for Bonneville! Message-ID: <4A7B4D8F.4020604@mayfco.com> But no banjo on my knee, lol... We launch around 4 am in the morning. I will be lightly monitoring my yahoo email account drmayf at yahoo.com should any want to contact me starting tomorrow and through next friday. I may not have time to respond however as this is a full load meet with 5 14 vehicles preregistered. Around a humdred or so always register there so maybe 600 plus cars and bikes and trucks. Likely to be lots of hot rodders as well since the motel and hotel rates are truly ballistic. I will be dropping the trailer tomorrow, putting the ground cloth down and then heading to SLC to pick up my youngest son who will be helping this year. Should anyone need to contact me via the telephone or "Mobile" my number is 775-253-4566 and if I am not up to my elbos in something I will answer, lol... We are planning on an easy meet taking some time to see how the car is going to react with the additional weight and the new spoiler. We will likely speend most of our time on the short course. If there is a spot I will park way down towards the far end of the pits backed up to the return road so I can see what is going on. We'll have some "milk" for refreshment at the pit and all are welcome. mayf From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sun Aug 9 13:08:05 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 12:08:05 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Laguna Seca & Pebble Beach Message-ID: <4A7F1E95.3090905@SoCal.rr.com> The next weekend (Starting August 15th) is the world renowned Pebble Beach Classic Car Concours, three high end car auctions (RM, Gooding, and R&S, the Classic Car races at Laguna Seca. Concours: The 2009 Pebble Beach Concours dElegance will feature Bugatti and Bentley. It will also celebrate a century of Morgan and Audi, as well as the designs of Zagato. Details: August 16 Dawn Field opens to entrants 9 a.m. Judging commences 10:30 a.m. Field opens to spectators 1:30 p.m.  4:30 p.m. Awards are presented It isn't "free", but tickets range from $150 advance sale, and $175 day of show. VIP parking, transport, breakfast, lunch, signed poster, and gifts, are $500 ea., advance sale only. http://www.pebblebeachconcours.net/ http://www.pebblebeachconcours.net/pages/about-events-elegance/index.htm So, bring your spare Bugatti (forget the post war Bentley), and a hefty bundle of pre-established credit for those great auction values. (This isn't that "Chebbies 'n trucks auction) Concours: August 16 Dawn Field opens to entrants 9 a.m. Judging commences 10:30 a.m. Field opens to spectators 1:30 p.m.  4:30 p.m. Awards are presented Here are the auction connections, look at the offerings: http://www.goodingco.com/auction/ http://www.rmauctions.com/CarList.cfm?SaleCode=MO09 http://www.russoandsteele.com/featured_automobiles.html The races: Aerial Google Map: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=113479187583497738927.000463df3ea87ff6bb50f&t=h&source=embed&ll=36.583739,-121.754656&spn=0.010418,0.010836 Linda, I, Jay, and my grandkids are going to the races, and whatever auction may (or not) be convenient. Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com From TIGEROOTES at aol.com Sun Aug 9 14:57:09 2009 From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 16:57:09 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Headlight Flasher Message-ID: milward at roadrunner.com writes: > Per a 1967 Lucas catalogue for Rootes vehicles (Hillman, Humber, > Singer,Sunbeam, Commer and Karrier) P/Ns 35558, 35612, 35690 and 35691 > also > have combination indicators and flashers but their usability on Tigers is > unknown. Bill, Hillman steering columns are much smaller diameter (they are not telescopic) so their flasher switches will not fit an Alpine or Tiger. Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Sun Aug 9 17:29:42 2009 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:29:42 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Everything On Wheels car show - Kansas City In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001ca1949$462bc0e0$d28342a0$@rr.com> Dennis Gage, host of My Classic Car, was the chair of the show. He dug the Tiger - http://e28-535i.com/upload/EOW21.jpg So did the judges - http://e28-535i.com/upload/EOW22.jpg What a great show.......the best is, it was indoors! Duke B382002037 From sralsten at ca.rr.com Sun Aug 9 18:50:32 2009 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 16:50:32 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tired of AOL Posts? References: <317449.42569.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You can get DSL because you live close enough (15,000 feet or yards can't recall which) Anyone further away can't. Doesn't matter what company you are with. I am lucky to have fibre optic cable so I get far faster than DSL but without that I'd still be on dial up because phone switch is 17,000 away, and always will be. The CAT forum happily connects to anyone. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard gentry" To: ; "tiger list" Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tired of AOL Posts? > Hi, > Most telephone providers also offer DSL as part of their customer > package..I have Frontier telephone service so I also added Frontier DSL as > part of my package..Verizon also has this feature..many do. I consider > AOL as > a virus and work hard to get all traces of it off of my computer..There > are > also many satellite DSL services avaialble..My sister uses DirectTV DSL > satellite..Hughes Net is another one..there are many to choose from..Come > into > the modern day..dump AOL..get the real stuff. > Howard > > The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. > > --- On Sun, 8/9/09, phastphill at aol.com wrote: > > > From: phastphill at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tired of AOL Posts? > To: Tiger at Sabr2th.com, tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 10:30 AM > > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: Mark Meswarb > To: Tigers > Sent: Thu, Aug 6, 2009 11:45 pm > Subject: [Tigers] Tired of AOL Posts? > > > > Anybody else getting tired of all the AOL-not-working posts. > Can9t believe anybody but 11 year old girls still have to use AOL. > > > > I live in a rural area and the only high speed I can get is AOL.....I > don't > like it but it beats dial up... > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > GameVault: Play free online games at Gamevault.ca. Word arcade, puzzle and > more. Play now! > http://www.gamevault.ca/?icid=AOLGAM00310000000001 > You are subscribed as zymmer4 at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sralsten at ca.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Aug 10 08:36:41 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:36:41 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Ammeters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905499@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> It's a good idea to put a fusible link (not a fuse) in the alternator or generator output connection, but the OEM harness never had any such components unless you count the entire harness as a fusible link. Because a fusible link does generate quite a bit of heat when it goes, it's a good idea to install it where there is ventilation. Rick has OEM and 50 amp ammeters IIRC. I just swapped out my (not wired) 50A ammeter for an O2 sensor gauge - best trade I ever made. If/when I figure I don't need to have the exhaust sensor gauge in the dash anymore then I'll look at getting a voltmeter to put in its place. The problem with a high current ammeter is that you need to have large gauge wires running to it. The 10 gauge wiring used by the factory is adequate for the 30/35 amp output of the generator. For a 50 amp circuit you should really have 8 gauge wires, and a 100 amp alternator would require 6 or 4 gauge wiring if that level of current was sustained for any length of time. Having multiple cables of that size running under the dash is pretty messy. A voltmeter will indicate pretty accurately the functioning of your charging system, and it doesn't require any significant wiring at all. Theo From PhastPhill at aol.com Mon Aug 10 08:46:55 2009 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:46:55 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tired of AOL Posts? Message-ID: I said Rural, my phone provider does not have any high speed in my area, and satellite is way to expensive. Cost of staying down home on the farm, ok with me.....cheers From TIGEROOTES at aol.com Mon Aug 10 12:53:54 2009 From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:53:54 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Has AOL struck again Message-ID: Here is a website with a small download that eliminates the AOL 'footer-ads' from e-mails. Jim Click here: Bits from Bill: Remove AOL Email Footer Advertising http://billpstudios.blogspot.com/2008/05/remove-aol-email-footer-advertising.html From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Mon Aug 10 14:18:07 2009 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:18:07 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Laguna Seca & Pebble Beach References: <4A7F1E95.3090905@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <5C5FC942F5EF412EBA6227C2B2CA978F@your4dacd0ea75> Steve & others headed for the Monterey Historics. The Tigers are pitted in B-45 & 47. Our pits are directly across from Garage 13. Stop by & say Hi. We just got home from running the Pre Historics there. Our class had 30 cars. John Morton drove our #74 Sports Car Forum to 3rd place overall. John was the first Ford finisher having won a very close drag race down the main straight to the flag against a white GT 350. John repeated the usual reports of brake fade but managed his resources so that his last lap was his quickest of the race. This coming Friday we qualify in the afternoon. On Saturday the Tigers do not run at all and then they race Sunday afternoon. hope to see many of you there, Buck Trippel p.s. I'll post some pictures from the Pre Historics on the CAT Forum site later today. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Laifman" To: "Tiger's Den" Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:08 PM Subject: [Tigers] Laguna Seca & Pebble Beach > The next weekend (Starting August 15th) is the world renowned Pebble Beach > Classic Car Concours, three high end car auctions (RM, Gooding, and R&S, > the Classic Car races at Laguna Seca. > > Concours: > > The 2009 Pebble Beach Concours dElegance will feature Bugatti and > Bentley. It will also celebrate a century of Morgan and Audi, as well as > the designs of Zagato. > > Details: > August 16 > Dawn Field opens to entrants > 9 a.m. Judging commences > 10:30 a.m. Field opens to spectators > 1:30 p.m.  4:30 p.m. Awards are presented > It isn't "free", but tickets range from $150 advance sale, and $175 day of > show. VIP parking, transport, breakfast, lunch, signed poster, and gifts, > are $500 ea., advance sale only. > > http://www.pebblebeachconcours.net/ > http://www.pebblebeachconcours.net/pages/about-events-elegance/index.htm > > So, bring your spare Bugatti (forget the post war Bentley), and a hefty > bundle of pre-established credit for those great auction values. (This > isn't that "Chebbies 'n trucks auction) > > Concours: > > August 16 > Dawn Field opens to entrants > 9 a.m. Judging commences > 10:30 a.m. Field opens to spectators > 1:30 p.m.  4:30 p.m. Awards are presented > > > Here are the auction connections, look at the offerings: > > http://www.goodingco.com/auction/ > http://www.rmauctions.com/CarList.cfm?SaleCode=MO09 > http://www.russoandsteele.com/featured_automobiles.html > > The races: > Aerial Google Map: > > http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=113479187583497738927.000463df3ea87ff6bb50f&t=h&source=embed&ll=36.583739,-121.754656&spn=0.010418,0.010836 > > > Linda, I, Jay, and my grandkids are going to the races, and whatever > auction may (or not) be convenient. > > Steve > > -- > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bucktrippel at verizon.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From DJoh797014 at aol.com Mon Aug 10 17:07:46 2009 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:07:46 EDT Subject: [Tigers] early shifter knobs (150358810575) Message-ID: Years asgao I found Car 54 sitting in a garage in Northern IL. Since I had no room for it, a room, a close friend and gearhead got it for $50. He sent it to a famous Ferrari restoration ship in CO that he has used. Two years and being ripped off for $15K and counting, he retrieved it. It now sits in front of his Ferraris waiting for someone (me??) to put it back together. Car 54 has the Aluminum Case trans and Cobra shifter black dash, etc. Question: Car 54 where are you? Answer: Sitting dissembled in Northern IL for the last 10 years. Dave In a message dated 8/9/2009 5:23:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, awtiger at cox.net writes: Tony: This information came straight out of one of the first books to be published on the Tiger, which was Bill Carroll's "Tiger: An Exceptional Motorcar." I have the book and there is a chapter towards the back that shows all the running production changes that were known at that time. Sure enough, it states that the first 56 Tigers came with the Borg-Warner transmission. If I remember correctly, the shifter and knob were referenced, too, but I'm working from memory here and I don't remember exactly what was written. By the way, the reason I remember this production number figure so well is because my first Tiger was B9470058, supposedly the second Tiger off the line with the Ford Toploader transmission. This car was also the runner up to the SCCA B-Prepared National Champion in the mid-70s (1974 or '75, I think...) and was owned and driven by a guy named Skip Laughlin here in Oklahoma. Anybody remember him or the car??? Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740) B9006857LRX ---- Tony Somebody wrote: > There is an auction on epay (150358810575) that shows a strange shift knob for $100. I sent a question doubting this shift knob was on Tigers and his reply follows. > > "For your FYI, The first 56 Tigers were equipped with Shelby American supplied, Borg Warner T10-B side loader transmission, the true Cobra short shifter, reverse lock-out T-handle and that shift knob that you see. From B9470057 and forward the short handle was use and and the knob was changed." > > Norm or anyone who owns/owned one of the first 56 Tigers able to shed any light on this statement? > TtT > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as awtiger at cox.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as djoh797014 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From bamcnulty at optonline.net Mon Aug 10 20:01:26 2009 From: bamcnulty at optonline.net (Tony McNulty) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:01:26 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Oil References: Message-ID: Folks: Here's the Google result for the topic. Royal Purple ZDDP gets about 15,000-plus hits. Just looking over the topics gives a wealth of information. Results 1 - 10 of about 8,450 for motor oil ZDDP. (0.14 seconds) Tony Mc ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil > Brad > > Back on the list again. > > This was discussed several times. The synopsis: > > 1. Modern off the shelf oil have reduced ZDDP because it destroys > the catalyst coverter This also causes excessive wear and > early failure of the camshafts and lifters. Starting a newly > rebuilt engine without the ZDDP will cause problems. > 2. This may also apply to Mobol 1 and other synthetics > 3. Shell Rotella oil used with diesels has the necessary ZDDP > but Shell is reducing the amount. > 4. GM sells an additive that contains the ZDDP for their older > performance engines. I've seen it at Walmart. > > > My advice > 1. Use Mobol 1 with the GM ZDDP additive > 2. Use ShellRotella > > > In a message dated 8/9/2009 8:29:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > huffb at southslope.net writes: > > What brand and type of oil are you guys with solid lifter cams using? > I've > heard that there are issues with today's off the shelf brands.-Brad > You are subscribed as djoh797014 at aol.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bamcnulty at optonline.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.49/2293 - Release Date: 08/09/09 18:10:00 From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Mon Aug 10 20:24:45 2009 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:24:45 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Garmin ad Message-ID: This is probably old news - I've been out of town for a couple of weeks and haven't been paying any attention to the list. Garmin is running an ad in magazines showing a couple driving down the road in an LBC that is unmistakably a Tiger. Suddenly our 45 year old toys are becoming quite popular in the print media. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Aug 11 08:21:36 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:21:36 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Mayf at Bonneville Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D1570190549F@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Looks like Dr. Mayf is having a good speed week. http://www.scta-bni.org/Bonneville/Speed%20Week%2009/down_runs_10.htm 156 MPH on the short course... that's humming right along. Theo From sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net Tue Aug 11 10:17:03 2009 From: sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net (Paul R Sheahan) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Haley Motorsports Collection Message-ID: <985465.86297.qm@web83715.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Does anyone know what ever happened to The Haley Motorsports Collection. They used to have a catalog and website. I found a catalog from 1998 and would like to know what happened to them. Their website does not appear to be active. Paul Paul R Sheahan From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 11 13:23:22 2009 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Early Shift Knob In Use Message-ID: <942367.46239.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "This information came straight out of one of the first books to be published on the Tiger, which was Bill Carroll's "Tiger: An Exceptional Motorcar." I have the book and there is a chapter towards the back that shows all the running production changes that were known at that time. Sure enough, it states that the first 56 Tigers came with the Borg-Warner transmission. If I remember correctly, the shifter and knob were referenced, too, " I have a copy of the Rootes film "Special Section" and there is film from inside the car with Peter Harper driving in the Monte Carlo Rally. In some shots you can see the shift knob. The knob is definitely the "mushroom" style. If the rally Tigers were some of the first cars built they may have used the Borg- Warner transmissions instead of the top-loaders. Jeff Jeff From todbrown at roadrunner.com Tue Aug 11 14:24:19 2009 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:24:19 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Message-ID: <4A81D373.10207@roadrunner.com> Some time ago, I became aware that the lack of ZDDP in contemporary oils could be a problem for older engines like those in Tigers. In doing some investigating and, in particular, talking to the folks who make Red Line Synthetic Oil, it seems that the problem occurs at the beginning of break-in. According to Red Line, you should use an oil with the usual amount of ZDDP from back in the day when breaking in the engine or use an additive as has been mentioned. After 3000 miles (i.e. when the rings, cam and tappets are sufficiently broken in), it is my understanding that it is OK to use a contemporary synthetic oil or whatever. I just took a look at one of the bottles of Redline 10W-30 I have been using since my engine was broken in and there is a statement to that effect on the container. However, there seems to be some disagreement on whether it is necessary to continue to use oil with high ZDDP content after break-in, so I'd like to hear from anybody who has investigated. Cheers, Tod B382002384LRXFE From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Aug 11 17:16:24 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:16:24 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Midget rack Message-ID: Can someone confirm for me the correct year midget rack used in the the Dale A conversion. -- Regards Michael King From WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com Wed Aug 12 07:45:18 2009 From: WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com (WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:45:18 EDT Subject: [Tigers] max HP for toploader Message-ID: Can anyone tell me the maximum horsepower and torque ratings for the toploader transmission? Also, the AMTRAK poster is available in two variations. One shows the trip from Orlando to D.C., the other from D.C. to Orlando. Subtle differences between them. Fred Baum From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Aug 12 09:04:23 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:04:23 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] max HP for toploader In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019054A7@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> I found one reference that says 450 lb-ft. Everyone else says it's basically unbreakable. In the Tiger that may effectively be true, because the car doesn't weigh enough to cause the kinds of shock loads that break gear teeth. The only thing that will then damage the transmission is running it with incorrect or insufficient gear oil, or bad shifting technique. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com > Sent: August 12, 2009 7:45 AM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] max HP for toploader > > Can anyone tell me the maximum horsepower and torque ratings > for the toploader transmission? > > Also, the AMTRAK poster is available in two variations. One > shows the trip from Orlando to D.C., the other from D.C. to > Orlando. Subtle differences between them. > > Fred Baum > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as theo.smit at dynastream.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From motoys2001 at comcast.net Wed Aug 12 09:09:15 2009 From: motoys2001 at comcast.net (motoys2001 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:09:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] max HP for toploader In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2122614494.10651341250089755776.JavaMail.root@sz0153a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hey Fred, There is no engine that can be installed in a Tiger that a toploader cannot handle. Toploaders are rather strong units. I had one in my 600+hp, 600+tq road race car with no problems. Henry V From WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com Wed Aug 12 09:37:08 2009 From: WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com (WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:37:08 EDT Subject: [Tigers] max HP for toploader Message-ID: Thanks for the prompt replies. One can always count on this list to come through, no matter what the situation. Fred Baum From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 16:42:21 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:42:21 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] test mail Message-ID: sorry to bomb the list.. just testing.. have not recieved any mail in 9 hours.. bit quiet for all you guys -- Regards Michael King From cmccann at lwpb.com Wed Aug 12 18:46:44 2009 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:46:44 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] test mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think it's just been quiet, I'm reading you.... Sent from my mobile... On Aug 12, 2009, at 5:56 PM, "michael king" wrote: > sorry to bomb the list.. just testing.. have not recieved any mail > in 9 > hours.. bit quiet for all you guys > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as cmccann at lwpb.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com Wed Aug 12 21:38:09 2009 From: kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com (kevin beck) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:38:09 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] tires Message-ID: <22507f140908122038k4ad7bcd7t9b97dccedd5789d4@mail.gmail.com> About a month ago there was discussion on the lack of 13 inch tires, I just did a tire search and found 9 different tires in the 205/60-13 with two being race tires. Didn't know if these were new tires just available or what. Kevin From wrightsinseabrook at speakeasy.net Thu Aug 13 17:15:10 2009 From: wrightsinseabrook at speakeasy.net (Larry & Susan) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:15:10 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 205/60-13 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kevin: I guess you proved those of us who only check Tire Rack's site (great site BTW) wrong. Perhaps you should post results. Larry Wright, Seabrook MD, thinking about those low-mileage, garage kept Yokohama AVS Intermediates that nonetheless were installed in 1994! :^O kevin beck wrote: Subject: [Tigers] tires To: Tigers at autox.team.net About a month ago there was discussion on the lack of 13 inch tires, I just did a tire search and found 9 different tires in the 205/60-13 with two being race tires. Didn't know if these were new tires just available or what. Kevin From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Thu Aug 13 18:01:48 2009 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:01:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] oil levels Message-ID: <002601ca1c72$6bd151d0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4> Does any one know the distance from the bottom of the distick tube to full mark on the stick?? I have the aluminum Tiger oil pan it is showing full at about 5 qts, I thought it was a 7 qt cap pan, It was on my GT350..any comments...I may have the wrong stick or tube or it's okay??? thanks, Clyde From kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com Thu Aug 13 18:42:30 2009 From: kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com (kevin beck) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:42:30 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] tires Message-ID: <22507f140908131742m4847118fq888596b99ff573cc@mail.gmail.com> The tires I found were on discount tires-2go. You can also check out tires easy.com Some lower end tires and a few nicer ones. Not a Hugh selection, but more then before. Kevin From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Thu Aug 13 20:49:01 2009 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo)) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:49:01 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] oil levels In-Reply-To: <002601ca1c72$6bd151d0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4> References: <002601ca1c72$6bd151d0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4> Message-ID: Clyde, If you know it's in fact a 7 qt. then when you change oil put in 7 qts.(plus filter) then check the dipstick and put your own mark on it to show where full is. I had to do this on my Tiger's aluminum 6.5 qt. LAT 4 oil pan. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Clyde McLaughlin Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:02 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] oil levels Does any one know the distance from the bottom of the distick tube to full mark on the stick?? I have the aluminum Tiger oil pan it is showing full at about 5 qts, I thought it was a 7 qt cap pan, It was on my GT350..any comments...I may have the wrong stick or tube or it's okay??? thanks, Clyde You are subscribed as jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From atwittsend at verizon.net Thu Aug 13 23:59:21 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:59:21 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] oil levels References: <002601ca1c72$6bd151d0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4> Message-ID: I would think in theory that the oil to crank distance is intended to be the same regardless of capacity. So, if the pan is truly larger the extra capacity is either below (deeper pan) or to the side (wider pan - often at bottom with baffles) of the original level. The exception would be to reduce oil hitting the crank in extreme driving conditions. But in a situation like that they would probably use a 7 qt. pan and only fill it with 5 qt's. The results in that case would be the opposite of what you have. Has the oil been circulated (filter filled). That accounts for some of th capacity. Tom From spook01 at comcast.net Fri Aug 14 07:55:51 2009 From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:55:51 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] max HP for toploader References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019054A7@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <8A40D7C6BC3E4546A8C6A50DABF6FD9D@yourpd3mh0abgs> nascar ran them. Best, Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smit, Theo" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] max HP for toploader >I found one reference that says 450 lb-ft. Everyone else says it's > basically unbreakable. In the Tiger that may effectively be true, > because the car doesn't weigh enough to cause the kinds of shock loads > that break gear teeth. The only thing that will then damage the > transmission is running it with incorrect or insufficient gear oil, or > bad shifting technique. > > Cheers, > Theo > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net >> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of >> WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com >> Sent: August 12, 2009 7:45 AM >> To: tigers at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] max HP for toploader >> >> Can anyone tell me the maximum horsepower and torque ratings >> for the toploader transmission? >> >> Also, the AMTRAK poster is available in two variations. One >> shows the trip from Orlando to D.C., the other from D.C. to >> Orlando. Subtle differences between them. >> >> Fred Baum >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as theo.smit at dynastream.com >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as spook01 at comcast.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Aug 14 09:26:53 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:26:53 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] oil levels In-Reply-To: References: <002601ca1c72$6bd151d0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4> Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019054B4@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Hi Tom, Many performance oil pans have a deeper sump in order to move the oil level away from the crank and thereby reduce windage loss. These pans should be used with an extended pickup (usually sold with the pan as part of the package) and a windage tray to maximize the benefit. Obviously you'll need to revise the dipstick marks or else your interpretation of them in that case. I have a Canton pan, pickup, and windage tray, and the dipstick reads about 1 quart low when I put in the right amount of oil. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt > Sent: August 13, 2009 11:59 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] oil levels > > I would think in theory that the oil to crank distance is > intended to be the same regardless of capacity. So, if the > pan is truly larger the extra capacity is either below > (deeper pan) or to the side (wider pan - often at bottom with > baffles) of the original level. > The exception would be to reduce oil hitting the crank in > extreme driving conditions. But in a situation like that > they would probably use a 7 qt. > pan and only fill it with 5 qt's. The results in that case > would be the opposite of what you have. Has the oil been > circulated (filter filled). > That accounts for some of th capacity. > Tom > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as theo.smit at dynastream.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 14 12:47:03 2009 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:47:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Rear Springs Same As Alpine? Message-ID: <525164.81992.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Looking through the Parts catalog suppliment I noticed that the rear springs are listed as the same as an Alpine Series III. Some time in the past I was told that the Tiger had one more leaf on each side compared to the Alpine. Was this changed for later Tigers or was it the same through out the run? Jeff From thetindalls at ozemail.com.au Fri Aug 14 15:40:42 2009 From: thetindalls at ozemail.com.au (Andrew Tindall) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 07:10:42 +0930 Subject: [Tigers] Woodstock Tiger Message-ID: Caught a glimpse of some news footage regarding the 40th anniversary of Woodstock and there was a Sunbeam Tiger? Alpine? loaded with fans. Did any one else catch that ? Andrew Australia From awtiger at cox.net Fri Aug 14 16:31:32 2009 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:31:32 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Woodstock Tiger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FCB5F3575CB45239639EA4C9CCA8AD1@awtigerPC> It was an Alpine. It had no stainless steel trim down the side nor Rootes Group rear quarter badges. It was cool to see it in the news piece, though! Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740) B9006857LRX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Tindall" To: Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 4:40 PM Subject: [Tigers] Woodstock Tiger > Caught a glimpse of some news footage regarding the 40th anniversary of > Woodstock and there was a Sunbeam Tiger? Alpine? loaded with fans. Did any > one > else catch that ? > Andrew > Australia > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as awtiger at cox.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From rande at thecia.net Fri Aug 14 16:42:15 2009 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:42:15 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: <4a85e847.28ee.0@thecia.net> 'Looking through the Parts catalog suppliment I noticed that the rear springs are listed as the same as an Alpine Series III. Some time in the past I was told that the Tiger had one more leaf on each side compared to the Alpine. Was this changed for later Tigers or was it the same through out the run?' Jeff >From the June 1968 parts catalog, it lists the same part number for the Alpine III (PN 1206585, qty 2 per car) as for Tigers up to VIN B9473578. For the Alpine application, there seems to be a cutoff for the Alpine III use. The notes read..."Series III from B9203548; C.K.D (completely knocked down - kit form)South Africa B9250157, Italy B9250241, and Series IV onwards" used two of PN 1223892. For Tigers from VIN B9473579 onward, they used different springs for left and right. The R.H. PN was 1229930 and L.H. was 1229931. Maybe this is when the change was made, Jeff. Again, this is just the information out of the parts catalog. You might ring up Rob Guerra or Tom Hall for more questions. Rande Jeff _______________________________________________ From scattt at verizon.net Fri Aug 14 21:36:04 2009 From: scattt at verizon.net (Scattt) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:36:04 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Woodstock Tiger References: Message-ID: <41E4B29106CC4FC3A8F103381516D8F6@NicksDellPC> I saw the footage of the Woodstock Sunbeam. Ran through it in slow motion several times and it was a late model Alpine. Sure had it loaded to the gills with Hippies. That was the same time Uncle Sam had me tied up. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Tindall" To: Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 5:40 PM Subject: [Tigers] Woodstock Tiger > Caught a glimpse of some news footage regarding the 40th anniversary of > Woodstock and there was a Sunbeam Tiger? Alpine? loaded with fans. Did any > one > else catch that ? > Andrew > Australia > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as scattt at verizon.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From srwick at hotmail.com Fri Aug 14 22:51:50 2009 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:51:50 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Ammeters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I want to thank everyone who replied. I had a couple of people recommend MoMa, and I saw them listed on Sunbeam Specialties site also, so I'll contact them for a rebuild and SS for a higher amp version. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: steve wick To: tigers Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 5:33 AM Subject: [Tigers] Ammeters A previous owner of my car apparently thought it was a good idea to rewire the ammeter directly from the battery stud on the starter solenoid into the main harness, and not use a fuse or circuit breaker. The battery power wire at the back of my alternator came out of the crimp connector (also done by the p.o. when he switched from generator to alternator) and shorted out, causing the ammeter to act as a fuse. I need to know if anyone has a company they recommend for rebuilding the ammeter, as I like to have all my original parts working, and then I really need to find one meant for alternators with the higher amp readings. I have installed a 40 amp circuit breaker in line and bypassed the ammeter for now. Steve (in N.Id. and can attest to the fact that a '65 Tiger looks really small on the back of a flatbed tow truck) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as srwick at hotmail.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Sat Aug 15 06:04:44 2009 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 07:04:44 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Easy out removal Message-ID: <0E8B1C6A4B41482A8ACCED3FFCB641C5@JEPHome> Anybody have a suggestion for removing an easy out (great misnomer) that has broken off flush with the surface? Heat is not an option. Will anything grind up one of these things? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From srwick at hotmail.com Sat Aug 15 07:25:47 2009 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 06:25:47 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Easy out removal In-Reply-To: <0E8B1C6A4B41482A8ACCED3FFCB641C5@JEPHome> References: <0E8B1C6A4B41482A8ACCED3FFCB641C5@JEPHome> Message-ID: I had one in an engine for a Mustang of mine, and I had to take the engine to a rebuilder who had someone remove it with a laser cutter. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: James E. Pickard To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 5:04 AM Subject: [Tigers] Easy out removal Anybody have a suggestion for removing an easy out (great misnomer) that has broken off flush with the surface? Heat is not an option. Will anything grind up one of these things? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as srwick at hotmail.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sat Aug 15 07:28:56 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:28:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Easy out removal In-Reply-To: <0E8B1C6A4B41482A8ACCED3FFCB641C5@JEPHome> Message-ID: Jim I'm not sure of your exact situation here but I would think a center punch and a BFG hammer would shatter it. This is one reason I don't use "Easy Outs" any more. Good Luck with this. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James E. Pickard Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 8:05 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Easy out removal Anybody have a suggestion for removing an easy out (great misnomer) that has broken off flush with the surface? Heat is not an option. Will anything grind up one of these things? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.13.56/2302 - Release Date: 08/14/09 06:10:00 From wwwdg at webtv.net Sat Aug 15 08:40:52 2009 From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 07:40:52 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Easy out removal In-Reply-To: "James E. Pickard" 's message of Sat, 15 Aug 2009 07:04:44 -0500 Message-ID: A mechanic I know uses a carbide burr in a high speed air drill and grinds it out from the center to the edge, then peels/picks the left over parts out of the threads, if you have room to get to the spot. If the easyout isn't real tight cut a groove/slot in the top of the easyout, with the burr or dremil and try turning it out with a screwdriver. You can also remove a broken stud with the same technique. Sometimes if you use a left hand cutting drill and bit to drill out the stud it will come loose and unscrew itself when you are drilling it. David Franchi From atwittsend at verizon.net Sat Aug 15 09:24:01 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 08:24:01 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Easy out removal References: <0E8B1C6A4B41482A8ACCED3FFCB641C5@JEPHome> Message-ID: Jim, Not knowing how big the bolt is, or how deep the "easy out" is this may or may not work. I have used a Dremel with the thin cut off wheel. I use it to cut a slot and then using a blade screwdriver had "some" success in removing such items. You can try this to just remove the "easy out," or..... Even if you get the "easy out" removed you still have the remaining bolt to contend with. So, it might be better to try and remove both, together, with a bigger, deeper slot. Either method is limited by the depth you can cut the slot and not ruin the surrounding metal. Also remember because the wheel is round the ends will not be as deep. You might opt to use a "sacrificial" screwdriver grinding the end to fit the slot as tight as possible. No guarantee's but it is worth a try. FYI to all: I have used needle nose pliers with some success to remove broken taps. Here again a "sacrificial" pair works best. Grind them to fit as deep as possible in the flutes. Then using something to apply torque (vise grips, pipe wrench) try twisting it out. The need for these "sacrificial" tools makes Harbor Freight a viable option. Tom From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Sat Aug 15 13:32:32 2009 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:32:32 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] easy outs Message-ID: <004601ca1ddf$229c46a0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4> If any one has these in there tool box through them away, buy a left hand set of drill bits, a quality high speed carbide bit will remove it, but it takes awhile, Clyde From achd73 at yahoo.com Sat Aug 15 15:11:26 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 14:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] easy outs In-Reply-To: <004601ca1ddf$229c46a0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4> Message-ID: <611943.34420.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A"quality high speed carbide bit" cant be bought at HF and it still isn't easy work. Left hand drill bits are often the answer to removing a broken off stud, bolt etc. but they too are often sold at a cheaper price and the old saying of you get what you pay for does apply.When its possible and I read earlier heat isn't allowed for this particular problem--My now passed on OLD machinest neighbor taught me that when possible, welding a nut to the broken off object, then turning it out with a wrench or socket works much better than an easy out. Of course your ability to weld, the size of the broken item and where it is located can be challenging. TtT From e.coiner at cox.net Sat Aug 15 16:20:14 2009 From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net) Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:20:14 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Easy out removal In-Reply-To: <0E8B1C6A4B41482A8ACCED3FFCB641C5@JEPHome> Message-ID: <20090815182014.KJVGT.131546.imail@fed1rmwml35> Find a machine shop with a "sinker" EDM (electro discharge machine) They will be able to "burn out the easy out and leave the stud alone. They can also burn out the stud and then pick the little bit of "coil spring" left of the threads. Erich ---- "James E. Pickard" wrote: > Anybody have a suggestion for removing an easy out (great misnomer) that has > broken off flush with the surface? Heat is not an option. Will anything > grind up one of these things? Thanks. > > Jim Pickard > B9473298 ('65 Tiger) > AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold > 2003 Mini Cooper > Lafayette, LA > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as e.coiner at cox.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From DJoh797014 at aol.com Sun Aug 16 07:39:38 2009 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 09:39:38 EDT Subject: [Tigers] test Message-ID: test - tiger not to yahoo From achd73 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 08:40:53 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 07:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] aol test post-non Tiger related Message-ID: <192714.95354.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This post is for Dave(as promised) and the other poor folk dealing w/ aol. Yahoo lets you keep aol but receive all list mail. That would make it better than wondering if you are missing post. I understand some peeps have no choice but use aol. My sympathay to you. TtT From kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 08:57:25 2009 From: kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com (kevin beck) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:57:25 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] venting Message-ID: <22507f140908160757i483a80d0n4010998cec71f71e@mail.gmail.com> Removed my outside vents last night to clean them out, its been so long since my car was on the road I can't remember how the venting works. I can see the opening in the middle of the two vents does air flow thru somewhere or is the blower needed? Also my heater core is bypassed now and my wood dash is out of the car, how hard is it to remove the core, and have the core repaired? Or should I fabricate some tubing to run out the existing holes? Also my brake booster was by passed and I need to get it rebuilt. there is a good size hole behind the booster in the firewall that is missing the rubber plug does this have anything to do with the booster or should I just put a rubber plug in it? I have a plug that fits, but it has a slit in it like something went thru it at one time or another. Thanks Kevin From stubrennan at comcast.net Sun Aug 16 09:18:57 2009 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:18:57 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] venting In-Reply-To: <22507f140908160757i483a80d0n4010998cec71f71e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001ca1e84$e2887330$6601a8c0@Brennan> I can answer a couple. The heater core comes out easy, just remove the plate the hood latch mounts on and there it is. Well, it will come out easy assuming nobody put a 15 pound cap on the cooling system and the sides of the core inflated a bit... Any radiator shop should be able to handle it. The booster uses no holes in the firewall, so plug it. I'll bet a P. O. slit it to feed some wires through or something. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of kevin beck Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:57 AM To: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] venting Removed my outside vents last night to clean them out, its been so long since my car was on the road I can't remember how the venting works. I can see the opening in the middle of the two vents does air flow thru somewhere or is the blower needed? Also my heater core is bypassed now and my wood dash is out of the car, how hard is it to remove the core, and have the core repaired? Or should I fabricate some tubing to run out the existing holes? Also my brake booster was by passed and I need to get it rebuilt. there is a good size hole behind the booster in the firewall that is missing the rubber plug does this have anything to do with the booster or should I just put a rubber plug in it? I have a plug that fits, but it has a slit in it like something went thru it at one time or another. Thanks Kevin From kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com Sun Aug 16 11:36:19 2009 From: kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com (kevin beck) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 13:36:19 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] suspension Message-ID: <22507f140908161036h3596d9c0t6b093555ec925f16@mail.gmail.com> Just wondering how you know if your suspension needs work, my car sits pretty level on all four corners, and I have new 20 year old shocks I have 205/60-13 tires. Thanks Kevin From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Sun Aug 16 12:04:19 2009 From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:04:19 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Tigers] THE FREE 2009 BRISBANE MARINA BRITISH MEET Message-ID: <18991363.1250445859486.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> THE 2009 BRISBANE MARINA BRITISH MEET Come join your British car friends in the San Francisco Bay Area for a smashing weekend at the Brisbane Marina for our 32nd Annual British Car Meet and Tour. www.allcarcentral.com/thebritishcarnetwork.html ABSOLUTELY FREE SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 12th - TOUR TO THE SEA Leave anytime between 8:30 and 10:30AM . This tour takes you on some of the most beautiful roads in the area over to Cameronbs Pub in Half Moon Bay. There are two optional routes. One direct, yet still quite scenic, and the other, a longer more challenging drive. SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 13th - BRUNCH & CAR SHOW Starts at 8:30AM and goes on into the afternoon. This will be a no fee, no frills, no awards gathering of British car enthusiasts. The Yacht Club will offer an optional brunch and the Brisbane Lions will have a BBQ lunch available all afternoon. HOTEL PACKAGE: At the Radisson Hotel in the Marina for $89.00 per night on Friday or Saturday. You must book your room by August 28th. For reservations contact: Carole Burton at Santa Cruz Travel Phone: 831-632-2323 Email: DIRECTIONS: The Brisbane Marina is located on Sierra Point, just east of the Bayshore Freeway (101) in Brisbane, between San Francisco and the SF Airport. Take the Brisbane/Sierra Point Exit and follow the signs to the Marina. INFORMATION: 310-392-6605 britishcarnetwork at gmail.com www.allcarcentral.com/thebritishcarnetwork.html From achd73 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 12:18:04 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] suspension In-Reply-To: <22507f140908161036h3596d9c0t6b093555ec925f16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <727481.86972.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kevin- what applies to your everyday car applies to a Sunbeam. Visual inspection is a start. Busted rubber boots, excessive play in the tie rods or extreme looseness in the movement they will have even new. Jack one wheel up at a time and using a pry bar, tire iron from a getto glide (non Sunbeam) place it under the tire that's a few inches off the floor and pry up to see what the ball joints do- there shouldn't be free movement at the top of the tire as you pry pressure on the bar, no clunking sounds etc. Grasping the tire on each side, try wiggling the wheel on the axle to see if the wheel bearings might be loose. They need inspected and re-paced if the car has set for a long time- just so you know they are right as do all the fluids from the radiator to the rear end and all liquids in between. With everything off the jack and or stands, try turning the steering wheel back and forth to see how much free play you have. The lube needs checked as well as the boots on the steering rack and by turning the steering wheel you can check the U-joints in the steering linkage to the rack (some have greaseable zerks) as well as get an idea if the rack is loose or worn by the amount of play.These things could well be done in reverse order prior to jacking the car up Im sure Im missing something important BUT thats why I posted it to the LIST as others will chip in on anything I said wrong or missed. As for 20 YO shocks, when you drive the car Im sure you will know if age hurt them as Im not sure what the unwritten rule is for old, new shocks. Good Luck TtT From djoh797014 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 16 17:12:50 2009 From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] venting In-Reply-To: <22507f140908160757i483a80d0n4010998cec71f71e@mail.gmail.com> References: <22507f140908160757i483a80d0n4010998cec71f71e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <823507.42845.qm@web111606.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Stu's right. The cores under the bonnet release plate. The sides do bulge out when the MKIA 16 lb cap is used. The core is soft metal and if you work at it the sides will bend back. An old CAT tech tip recommended putting in reinforcing side straps. I believe the large hole in the fire wall was used for the steering shaft of right hand drive cars. The stock large plug fits it. Dave (On Yahoo and loving it) ________________________________ From: kevin beck To: Tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:57:25 AM Subject: [Tigers] venting Removed my outside vents last night to clean them out, its been so long since my car was on the road I can't remember how the venting works. I can see the opening in the middle of the two vents does air flow thru somewhere or is the blower needed? Also my heater core is bypassed now and my wood dash is out of the car, how hard is it to remove the core, and have the core repaired? Or should I fabricate some tubing to run out the existing holes? Also my brake booster was by passed and I need to get it rebuilt. there is a good size hole behind the booster in the firewall that is missing the rubber plug does this have anything to do with the booster or should I just put a rubber plug in it? I have a plug that fits, but it has a slit in it like something went thru it at one time or another. Thanks Kevin _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as djoh797014 at yahoo.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From davidandvarley at hotmail.com Mon Aug 17 04:28:14 2009 From: davidandvarley at hotmail.com (David and Varley Tweddle) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:28:14 +0800 Subject: [Tigers] Shock Absorbers for my Tiger Message-ID: Hi everybody, It is time for me to refresh the shock absorbers on my Tiger. I use the car for road driving and some club events like hill climbs and road race timed laps etc. It currently has adjustable Koni's front and back and these are now a little tired. I was hoping I could rebuild them....is this possible? Is it economically feasible....or am I better off just replacing them. By the way I'm using hard front springs and Dale A's "toughened up" rear springs. Has anybody replaced their shocks recently? What Brand/part number did you fit? I have searched the archives but most dialogue on this topic is rather old. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks David Tweddle Perth - West Australia _________________________________________________________________ Need a new model in your life? Sell your car fast. http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2E com%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai% 5F866383&_t=758314219&_r=carpoint_tagline&_m=EXT From Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com Mon Aug 17 07:27:08 2009 From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com (Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:27:08 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] easy outs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Do you have a web source for left-hand drill bits? I have never had luck finding them. thanks, Paul > From: "Clyde McLaughlin" > Subject: [Tigers] easy outs > To: > Message-ID: <004601ca1ddf$229c46a0$0201a8c0 at chesapeake4> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > If any one has these in there tool box through them away, buy a left hand > set of drill bits, a quality high speed carbide bit will remove it, but it > takes awhile, Clyde From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Aug 17 08:14:59 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:14:59 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] easy outs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019054BA@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Google "left hand drill bit". http://www.irwin.com/irwin/consumer/jhtml/browse.jhtml?catId=IrwinCat100 126 http://www.mytoolstore.com/hanson/hanson.html http://www.bosstoolsupply.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2941 http://www.toolprice.com/category/screwextractors.lefthanddrillbits/ Etcetera. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com > Sent: August 17, 2009 7:27 AM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] easy outs > > Do you have a web source for left-hand drill bits? I have > never had luck finding them. > > thanks, > > Paul > > > > From: "Clyde McLaughlin" > > Subject: [Tigers] easy outs > > To: > > Message-ID: <004601ca1ddf$229c46a0$0201a8c0 at chesapeake4> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > If any one has these in there tool box through them away, > buy a left > hand > > set of drill bits, a quality high speed carbide bit will > remove it, > > but > it > > takes awhile, Clyde > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as theo.smit at dynastream.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From Rollright at aol.com Mon Aug 17 09:15:07 2009 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:15:07 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Stock Hard Top side trim Message-ID: Hello, Its been a while since I posted.........AOL............. My friend Gary Fish and I have stripped our hard tops to get painted and make them as good as our cars now are. My top was unserviceable. Gary stripped his side trim off and wrinkled it a bit in the process. He at that point said " leave your trim on and we'll have the shop paint around it. But, as the side trim is unobtanium, does anybody know of anyone that can de-wrinkle a couple of pieces of stainless trim? It isn't awful, but not up to snuff. Anyone? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Mon Aug 17 10:58:44 2009 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo)) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:58:44 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] easy outs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A310165C4984DDD9A63AC20191F26FA@jerry> Paul, Trying to remove an easy out with a drill bit might be a big challenge. Easy outs are harder than most drills, not withstanding carbide. You haven't said what size the broken stud is; if it's small (like less than 1/4 inch) I have had good luck using a Dremel tool with diamond bits (burs) (Harbor Freight, like item #36252-1ADH) use lots of cooling fluid. In fact you could use that super duper penetrating combo of ATF/acetone (50/50 mix) that guys were talking about a while ago. Just don't get it so hot that the acetone ignites. HA. That might even make getting the stud out easer also. You could also use WD-40; the main thing is to keep the tool cool. If the stud is bigger you could still use a bur it would just take longer. Good luck Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 8:27 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] easy outs Do you have a web source for left-hand drill bits? I have never had luck finding them. thanks, Paul > From: "Clyde McLaughlin" > Subject: [Tigers] easy outs > To: > Message-ID: <004601ca1ddf$229c46a0$0201a8c0 at chesapeake4> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > If any one has these in there tool box through them away, buy a left hand > set of drill bits, a quality high speed carbide bit will remove it, but it > takes awhile, Clyde You are subscribed as jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com Mon Aug 17 11:06:54 2009 From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com (Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:06:54 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] easy outs In-Reply-To: <4A310165C4984DDD9A63AC20191F26FA@jerry> Message-ID: I actually don't have this problem - I just wanted a left-hand set of drill bits. thanks, Paul "Jerry & Maureen \(Mo\)" wrote on 08/17/2009 12:58:44 PM: > Paul, > > Trying to remove an easy out with a drill bit might be a big challenge. Easy > outs are harder than most drills, not withstanding carbide. You haven't > said what size the broken stud is; if it's small (like less than 1/4 inch) I > have had good luck using a Dremel tool with diamond bits (burs) (Harbor > Freight, like item #36252-1ADH) use lots of cooling fluid. In fact you could > use that super duper penetrating combo of ATF/acetone (50/50 mix) that guys > were talking about a while ago. Just don't get it so hot that the acetone > ignites. HA. That might even make getting the stud out easer also. You > could also use WD-40; the main thing is to keep the tool cool. > If the stud is bigger you could still use a bur it would just take longer. > > Good luck > > Jerry Christopherson > 9473187 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 8:27 AM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] easy outs > > Do you have a web source for left-hand drill bits? I have never had luck > finding them. > > thanks, > > Paul > > > > From: "Clyde McLaughlin" > > Subject: [Tigers] easy outs > > To: > > Message-ID: <004601ca1ddf$229c46a0$0201a8c0 at chesapeake4> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > If any one has these in there tool box through them away, buy a left > hand > > set of drill bits, a quality high speed carbide bit will remove it, but > it > > takes awhile, Clyde > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Mon Aug 17 11:22:30 2009 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo)) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:22:30 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Shock Absorbers for my Tiger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dave, I would think that rebuilding those Koni's would be the best option. E-mail Koni to see what their rebuilding costs and policies are. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David and Varley Tweddle Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 5:28 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Shock Absorbers for my Tiger Hi everybody, It is time for me to refresh the shock absorbers on my Tiger. I use the car for road driving and some club events like hill climbs and road race timed laps etc. It currently has adjustable Koni's front and back and these are now a little tired. I was hoping I could rebuild them....is this possible? Is it economically feasible....or am I better off just replacing them. By the way I'm using hard front springs and Dale A's "toughened up" rear springs. Has anybody replaced their shocks recently? What Brand/part number did you fit? I have searched the archives but most dialogue on this topic is rather old. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks David Tweddle Perth - West Australia _________________________________________________________________ Need a new model in your life? Sell your car fast. http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2 E com%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai % 5F866383&_t=758314219&_r=carpoint_tagline&_m=EXT You are subscribed as jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Aug 17 11:27:38 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:27:38 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] easy outs In-Reply-To: <4A310165C4984DDD9A63AC20191F26FA@jerry> References: <4A310165C4984DDD9A63AC20191F26FA@jerry> Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019054BD@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Removing a broken easy-out should be done with a right-hand rotating tool, since the easy-out is intended to dig in with left-hand rotation. Then once you get the easy-out removed, you can switch to a left-handed cutting tool to go at the original fastener. I also think the diamond burr is the way to go to remove the easy-out, unless you can get someone to EDM it. I don't recall it being mentioned, but what is it that has the stuck fastener again? If it's aluminum then use phosphoric acid (Coke!) to erode the steel fastener and easy-out... Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry & > Maureen (Mo) > Sent: August 17, 2009 10:59 AM > To: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] easy outs > > Paul, > > Trying to remove an easy out with a drill bit might be a big > challenge. Easy outs are harder than most drills, not > withstanding carbide. You haven't said what size the broken > stud is; if it's small (like less than 1/4 inch) I have had > good luck using a Dremel tool with diamond bits (burs) > (Harbor Freight, like item #36252-1ADH) use lots of cooling > fluid. In fact you could use that super duper penetrating > combo of ATF/acetone (50/50 mix) that guys were talking about > a while ago. Just don't get it so hot that the acetone > ignites. HA. That might even make getting the stud out easer > also. You could also use WD-40; the main thing is to keep the > tool cool. > If the stud is bigger you could still use a bur it would just > take longer. > > Good luck > > Jerry Christopherson > 9473187 From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 11:49:50 2009 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:49:50 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] easy outs In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019054BD@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> References: <4A310165C4984DDD9A63AC20191F26FA@jerry> <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019054BD@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0908171049g7e209360sf12f8d93993a51fb@mail.gmail.com> i snapped a drill bit off in a small bolt last year. it took about 2 hours with a dremel to cut it out if i remember rightly. lots of patience is required! On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > Removing a broken easy-out should be done with a right-hand rotating > tool, since the easy-out is intended to dig in with left-hand rotation. > Then once you get the easy-out removed, you can switch to a left-handed > cutting tool to go at the original fastener. > > I also think the diamond burr is the way to go to remove the easy-out, > unless you can get someone to EDM it. > > I don't recall it being mentioned, but what is it that has the stuck > fastener again? If it's aluminum then use phosphoric acid (Coke!) to > erode the steel fastener and easy-out... > > Theo > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry & > > Maureen (Mo) > > Sent: August 17, 2009 10:59 AM > > To: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com; tigers at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] easy outs > > > > Paul, > > > > Trying to remove an easy out with a drill bit might be a big > > challenge. Easy outs are harder than most drills, not > > withstanding carbide. You haven't said what size the broken > > stud is; if it's small (like less than 1/4 inch) I have had > > good luck using a Dremel tool with diamond bits (burs) > > (Harbor Freight, like item #36252-1ADH) use lots of cooling > > fluid. In fact you could use that super duper penetrating > > combo of ATF/acetone (50/50 mix) that guys were talking about > > a while ago. Just don't get it so hot that the acetone > > ignites. HA. That might even make getting the stud out easer > > also. You could also use WD-40; the main thing is to keep the > > tool cool. > > If the stud is bigger you could still use a bur it would just > > take longer. > > > > Good luck > > > > Jerry Christopherson > > 9473187 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From atwittsend at verizon.net Mon Aug 17 12:46:02 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:46:02 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] easy outs References: Message-ID: <6C686B0C4FB4485F94D0E2C90CC92D92@student2> >>>I actually don't have this problem - I just wanted a left-hand set of >>>drill bits.<<< Oh, so you have one of those drills where the rotation switch is stuck in reverse too. :-) only kidding By the way, when I try and put some "life" back into my rotary wire brushes I use them backwards. However, I often find the chuck coming loose no matter how much I tighten it. It seems a reverse rotation drill bit with even more "bite" would compound the problem. Or..., is it just the quality of the chuck on my Dewalt drill? Tom From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Aug 17 13:22:29 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:22:29 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] easy outs In-Reply-To: <6C686B0C4FB4485F94D0E2C90CC92D92@student2> References: <6C686B0C4FB4485F94D0E2C90CC92D92@student2> Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019054BF@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> I hardly ever have to use it (in anger) in reverse, but I've had one of these http://www.toolbarn.com/makita-6013br.html For about 20 years now, and I don't think I'll ever have to get another corded drill. Before drilling anything with it, you have to plan ahead to make sure you can brace yourself against the torque in case it should stall the bit and try to spin you by the handle instead. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt > Sent: August 17, 2009 12:46 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] easy outs > > >>>I actually don't have this problem - I just wanted a > left-hand set of > >>>drill bits.<<< > > Oh, so you have one of those drills where the rotation switch > is stuck in reverse too. :-) only kidding > > By the way, when I try and put some "life" back into my > rotary wire brushes I use them backwards. However, I often > find the chuck coming loose no matter how much I tighten it. > It seems a reverse rotation drill bit with even more "bite" > would compound the problem. Or..., is it just the quality of > the chuck on my Dewalt drill? > Tom > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as theo.smit at dynastream.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From mark.rense at ge.com Mon Aug 17 14:14:29 2009 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:14:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Marcus Chambers Has Passed Message-ID: Marcus Chambers, late of the Rootes and European Chrysler competition departments, has died at the tender age of 98. He was a driver, winning his class in the 1939 LeMans, and the first manager of the BMC Competition Department, developing the MG and Healey rally cars, and later the Mini Cooper S cars that won BMC several championships in the '60's. In 1964 he came out of retirement to head up the Rootes Group Competition Department, being responsible for overseeing the development of the Hillman Imps for competition, and later the Sunbeam Tigers. After the Chrysler take-over the department was downsized and Chambers retired for good in 1968. From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 17 14:45:39 2009 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:45:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Stock Hard Top side trim In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <682748.54982.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The stainless trim can be "finessed" back into shape with careful light "body shop" metal work "hammering" followed by light filing and then sanding with progressively finer wet/dry sandpaper and finished by buffing with the right compound on a cloth polishing wheel. The stainless wheel trim on my Mark II was badly bent up when I bought the car, but it now looks "as new." Took me a fair amount of time and patience... but it was worth the effort. Although I didn't follow the exact techniques in the following article, it is one of many on the Internet describing how to repair stainless trim. http://www.hotrod.com/howto/3401_stainless_trim_repair/index.html Regards, Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI --- On Mon, 8/17/09, Rollright at aol.com wrote: From: Rollright at aol.com Subject: [Tigers] Stock Hard Top side trim To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 11:15 AM Hello, Its been a while since I posted.........AOL............. My friend Gary Fish and I have stripped our hard tops to get painted and make them as good as our cars now are. My top was unserviceable. Gary stripped his side trim off and wrinkled it a bit in the process. He at that point said " leave your trim on and we'll have the shop paint around it. But, as the side trim is unobtanium, does anybody know of anyone that can de-wrinkle a couple of pieces of stainless trim? It isn't awful, but not up to snuff. Anyone? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE You are subscribed as fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 16:09:55 2009 From: kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com (kevin beck) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:09:55 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] cooling Message-ID: <22507f140908171509p2768d74dmb05bd1f9676223bc@mail.gmail.com> I've never had a problem with overheating, but where I'm at there is no stop and go traffic or backups I could always make a turn and find open road. Regardless just wondering what fan is on my car ford/lat option or what it is a six blade fiberglass unit red in color at one time. I also have been curious about the effects after market tires have on rear end ratio, years ago I read a article about tires, and came away thinking tire size may effect rear end ratio somewhat. Kevin From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 17:16:06 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:16:06 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] cooling In-Reply-To: <22507f140908171509p2768d74dmb05bd1f9676223bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <22507f140908171509p2768d74dmb05bd1f9676223bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Kevin, A fibregalss fan will not be LAT.. the LAt was a 6 blade metal fan. Tyre size does effect effective gearing. it changes the rolling radius, hence can increase decrease rear end ratio. It will also thow the speedo out of calibration. A larger radius tyre will effectively give you a taller rear end ratio, smaller will shorten it. This is why if you go up a size in wheels lets say 13" to 14" you get a slightly lower profile tyre to maintain the same rear end ratio.. conversly if you want taller gearing use a higher profile tyre. -- Regards Michael King From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 17:18:43 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:18:43 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Shock Absorbers for my Tiger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How old are the Konis? I eblieve the difference ni rebuilding vs buying new ones is not a great deal, and if you have the old style Konis that are harder to adjust it might be an option to upgrade to the newer type that can be easily adjusted while on the car. Then you can rebuild the originals and sell them for big $ to someone who wants some period correc ones! :-p -- Regards Michael King From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 17:26:29 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:26:29 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] 289 5 bolt and rollers Message-ID: A week or so back I posted about a friends 289 5 bolt motor The engine # C40E-6015C and this # on top 3K8 He is wondering if he can use the roller cam/follower kits on this block, or if you have to modify it to mount them? Is anyone running a 289 5 bolt with a roller setup? If so what type and did you have to do any mods? -- Regards Michael King From atwittsend at verizon.net Mon Aug 17 17:32:37 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:32:37 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] cooling References: <22507f140908171509p2768d74dmb05bd1f9676223bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >>>and came away thinking tire size may effect rear end ratio somewhat.<<< For sure it does. And a lot more than most people think. A trip to SUNI on the tallest 16" tire you can cram in the wheel well becomes a cheap virtual "5th gear". I'm not recommending it as permanent. When you get there just put your regular tires on. If you made one the spare then you only have to tote one extra tire. There are all kinds of calculators out there. Figure out what the largest tire you can cram on the Tiger (205 X 70 - 16"???) and then the smallest one available (185 X 50 - 13"???). Compare it to the ratio for a stock tire and you should be able to effectively find the "equivalent ratio" for the tire size change. Someone once sent me the stock tire size, but I sue can't find it now - sorry. There are a bunch of calculators out there and I'm sure others on the list know better than I. But if you have the time it is kind of fun to play around with. Tom From mmichels at socal.rr.com Mon Aug 17 17:54:12 2009 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (mmichels at socal.rr.com) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:54:12 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] 289 5 bolt and rollers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090817235412.6E7PH.297723.root@hrndva-web03-z01> I am using that setup. Comp Cams hydraulic roller lifters with "dogbone" type lifter retainers. Machine shop simply had to machine threads into lifter valley to bolt the retainers down. Seems like a pretty routine procedure. Machine shop preferred dogbone retainers rather than the linked pair type of lifters. Works fine. ---- michael king wrote: > A week or so back I posted about a friends 289 5 bolt motor > > The engine # C40E-6015C and this # on top 3K8 > > He is wondering if he can use the roller cam/follower kits on this block, or > if you have to modify it to mount them? Is anyone running a 289 5 bolt with > a roller setup? If so what type and did you have to do any mods? > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mmichels at socal.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From shutchin at netjets.com Mon Aug 17 18:06:44 2009 From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:06:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 289 5 bolt and rollers Message-ID: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D4056C0D60@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com> I use drop in roller lifters in a 260. No problems. Shouldn't think it would be in a 289. Make sure you get the ones with the tie bars. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations NetJets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 ** ******* This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. From rcsphx1 at cox.net Mon Aug 17 18:12:12 2009 From: rcsphx1 at cox.net (Richard) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:12:12 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] fuel tank coating Message-ID: I know that the discussion on fuel tank sealer has been on the list before...but I did not pay that close attention at the time. Now I need to coat the inside of my tanks. Was a conclusion ever reached on which is the best, do it yourself, coating to use on the Tiger tanks? From v8tracker at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 18:19:01 2009 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:19:01 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 289 5 bolt and rollers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Michael, There is only one thing you have to watch for with the dog bones and spider arrangement. That is to be sure that the spider bolts in the valley are not so long as to interfere with the cam shaft bushings. Most machine shops should know how deep to make the holes, but it never hurts to be sure. I have some extra dog bones and extra spiders in case your friend wants me to mail some to him. They are light enough that the postage would be unimportant. I also have extra roller lifters, but cannot vouch for the condition though I know some people disassemble and clean them. Those are heavier so I would want to be reimbursed for postage if he wants a set. HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:26 PM > To: Tiger Talk List Tiger > Subject: [Tigers] 289 5 bolt and rollers > > A week or so back I posted about a friends 289 5 bolt motor > > The engine # C40E-6015C and this # on top 3K8 > > He is wondering if he can use the roller cam/follower kits on > this block, or if you have to modify it to mount them? Is > anyone running a 289 5 bolt with a roller setup? If so what > type and did you have to do any mods? > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as v8tracker at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Mon Aug 17 22:01:46 2009 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:01:46 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Washer bottle problem Message-ID: Tigger is back on the road after a year of restoration! Only a few details remain, but I've encountered a problem. I've installed one of Dale's aluminum radiators and it is slightly larger than stock. Now the water bottle for the windshield washer doesn't fit. Hmm. Anybody else encounter this problem and come up with a cure - besides leaving the bottle off. Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 Lafayette, LA From mmichels at socal.rr.com Mon Aug 17 22:38:53 2009 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:38:53 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Washer bottle problem References: Message-ID: <78AFE7E7D00A4DBAA85C6BB9B96011C0@delldimension> You might want to try the smaller one for MGs and Austin Healeys I believe it is available from moss motors. It looks very similar, with "Tudor" logo, but is smaller diameter and shorter length. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James E. Pickard" To: Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 9:01 PM Subject: [Tigers] Washer bottle problem > Tigger is back on the road after a year of restoration! Only a few > details > remain, but I've encountered a problem. I've installed one of Dale's > aluminum > radiators and it is slightly larger than stock. Now the water bottle for > the > windshield washer doesn't fit. Hmm. Anybody else encounter this problem > and > come up with a cure - besides leaving the bottle off. Thanks. > > Jim Pickard > B9473298 > Lafayette, LA > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mmichels at socal.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 22:44:24 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:44:24 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Washer bottle problem In-Reply-To: <78AFE7E7D00A4DBAA85C6BB9B96011C0@delldimension> References: <78AFE7E7D00A4DBAA85C6BB9B96011C0@delldimension> Message-ID: perhaps move the bottle to where the alpines have it or on the early alpines against the firewall (less distance for the pump to pressure too) the other option would be the SV style tudor "saddle bag" -- Regards Michael King From robertn at surewest.net Mon Aug 17 22:48:33 2009 From: robertn at surewest.net (Robert Neeley) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:48:33 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] fuel tank coating In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I had good luck with this ... http://www.kbs-coatings.com/ -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Richard Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 5:12 PM To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] fuel tank coating I know that the discussion on fuel tank sealer has been on the list before...but I did not pay that close attention at the time. Now I need to coat the inside of my tanks. Was a conclusion ever reached on which is the best, do it yourself, coating to use on the Tiger tanks? You are subscribed as robertn at surewest.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Aug 17 22:58:29 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:58:29 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] ebay tiger Message-ID: this is back.. i remember it a few years back... i wonder how much metal is left in the body? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Tiger-1965-Sunbeam-Tiger-older-restoration-good-condition_W0QQitemZ250484486979QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item3a5209f343&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245 -- Regards Michael King From mmisso at optusnet.com.au Tue Aug 18 07:08:16 2009 From: mmisso at optusnet.com.au (Marianne & Darrel Misso) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:08:16 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] 289 5 bolt and rollers References: Message-ID: <006301ca2004$f4426370$f5fa6f3a@user9fcd9ac222> Hi Guys Thanks for your quick responce, realy appreciate your help. Thanks Darrel ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. C. Tynes" To: "'michael king'" ; Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] 289 5 bolt and rollers > Michael, > > There is only one thing you have to watch for with the dog bones and > spider > arrangement. That is to be sure that the spider bolts in the valley are > not > so long as to interfere with the cam shaft bushings. Most machine shops > should know how deep to make the holes, but it never hurts to be sure. > > I have some extra dog bones and extra spiders in case your friend wants me > to mail some to him. They are light enough that the postage would be > unimportant. > > I also have extra roller lifters, but cannot vouch for the condition > though > I know some people disassemble and clean them. Those are heavier so I > would > want to be reimbursed for postage if he wants a set. > > HTH, > A. C. Tynes > New Orleans > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net >> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king >> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:26 PM >> To: Tiger Talk List Tiger >> Subject: [Tigers] 289 5 bolt and rollers >> >> A week or so back I posted about a friends 289 5 bolt motor >> >> The engine # C40E-6015C and this # on top 3K8 >> >> He is wondering if he can use the roller cam/follower kits on >> this block, or if you have to modify it to mount them? Is >> anyone running a 289 5 bolt with a roller setup? If so what >> type and did you have to do any mods? >> >> -- >> Regards >> >> Michael King >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as v8tracker at gmail.com >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mmisso at optusnet.com.au > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From cjcoffel at sonic.net Tue Aug 18 07:10:06 2009 From: cjcoffel at sonic.net (Chris and Jodie) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 06:10:06 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] ebay tiger References: Message-ID: <000501ca2005$354ffbc0$6601a8c0@pc1> I knew what car without even looking first.................. Chris Coffel ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael king" To: "Tiger Talk List Tiger" Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: [Tigers] ebay tiger > this is back.. i remember it a few years back... i wonder how much metal > is > left in the body? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Tiger-1965-Sunbeam-Tiger-older-restoration-good-condition_W0QQitemZ250484486979QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item3a5209f343&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245 > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as cjcoffel at sonic.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 3050 (20080423) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 18 07:24:49 2009 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 06:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Roller 289 Message-ID: <701285.71703.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "He is wondering if he can use the roller cam/follower kits on this block, or if you have to modify it to mount them? Is anyone running a 289 5 bolt with a roller setup? If so what type and did you have to do any mods?" I installed a Comp Cams roller kit in a 260 with no problems. You have to be careful when mounting the spider that holds the dog bones for the lifters. Drill very carefully and use loctite to hold the bolts for the spider. If you drill too far you can hit the cam or cam bearings. The only other thing to consider is the gear on the distributor. With some cams you have to change the gear because the cam is hardened more than a stock cam and chews up the gear. The Comp cam I used didn't require changing the gear. Jeff From spook01 at comcast.net Tue Aug 18 07:56:19 2009 From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:56:19 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] ebay tiger References: <000501ca2005$354ffbc0$6601a8c0@pc1> Message-ID: what's the history on this car? Best, Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris and Jodie" To: "michael king" ; "Tiger Talk List Tiger" Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay tiger >I knew what car without even looking first.................. > > > > Chris Coffel > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "michael king" > To: "Tiger Talk List Tiger" > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 9:58 PM > Subject: [Tigers] ebay tiger > > >> this is back.. i remember it a few years back... i wonder how much metal >> is >> left in the body? >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Tiger-1965-Sunbeam-Tiger-older-restoration-good-condition_W0QQitemZ250484486979QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item3a5209f343&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245 >> >> -- >> Regards >> >> Michael King >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as cjcoffel at sonic.net >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 3050 (20080423) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as spook01 at comcast.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 11:34:21 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Roller 289 In-Reply-To: <701285.71703.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <67775.7715.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jeff- have you dynoed your engine? Just wondering what kind of HP you managed to massage out of a 260 block. To others who started this thread, I have a 5 bolt 289 and have had it in several cars, including 2 Tigers. I would grab another if I ever got the chance. Knowing how much abuse I put the engine thru, the last time I rebuilt it, I considered a roller cam and lifters. There is a kit but the necessary machine work to make the cam work was extremely costly or perhaps only lifters could be installed (memory problems exist)- no matter I decided to store the fresh engine and use a 5.0 HO engine when I go to a roller engine. know there is a hp gain when using the roller lifters but is it worth the machine work and cost. Also mentioned is the dist. gear requiring change if used with a roller cam. Is there a problem using roller lifters with a non roller cam because of the hardness-like w/ the dist. gear. TtT From shutchin at netjets.com Tue Aug 18 11:49:55 2009 From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:49:55 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Roller 289 Message-ID: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D4056C0D67@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com> I think I used edelbrock drop in roller lifters with tie bars. No machine work. Couple hundred bucks for the lifters. Comp custom grind roller cam. Uses the same firing order as original. Comp pro magnum roller rockers. 289 hipo valves. Lat 1 manifold with 1848 carb. Seems to run well. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations NetJets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 ** ******* This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Aug 18 12:03:11 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:03:11 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Roller 289 In-Reply-To: <67775.7715.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <701285.71703.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <67775.7715.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019054C3@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Hi Tony, You shouldn't use a roller lifter with a non-roller cam because (besides the cam hardness issue) the cam lobe profile is totally different. A flat tappet cam is designed to push a flat surface up at the right rate, while a roller cam is designed to work against a radiused surface and still achieve a comparable lift profile to what was originally obtained with the flat tappet interface. If you compare a roller cam lobe to a flat tappet cam lobe, you'll see that the roller cam tip is a lot more rounded compared to the flat tappet cam, even though the lift-at-the-valve profile might be quite similar. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody > Sent: August 18, 2009 11:34 AM > To: tigers at autox.team.net; Jeffrey Nichols > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Roller 289 > > requiring change if used with a roller cam. Is there a > problem using roller lifters with a non roller cam because of > the hardness-like w/ the dist. gear. > TtT > _______________________________________________ From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 12:10:10 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Roller 289 In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019054C3@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <237682.6554.qm@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Theo- My line of thinking as well. I thought I read in an earlier thread where the person wanted to add roller lifters but changing the cam wasnt mentioned. I may have not read it correctly or misunderstood what they where trying to accomplish. as usual, THANKS for the input Theo. TtT --- On Tue, 8/18/09, Smit, Theo wrote: > From: Smit, Theo > Subject: RE: [Tigers] Roller 289 > To: "Tony Somebody" , tigers at autox.team.net, "Jeffrey Nichols" > Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 1:03 PM > Hi Tony, > You shouldn't use a roller lifter with a non-roller cam > because (besides > the cam hardness issue) the cam lobe profile is totally > different. A > flat tappet cam is designed to push a flat surface up at > the right rate, > while a roller cam is designed to work against a radiused > surface and > still achieve a comparable lift profile to what was > originally obtained > with the flat tappet interface. > > If you compare a roller cam lobe to a flat tappet cam lobe, > you'll see > that the roller cam tip is a lot more rounded compared to > the flat > tappet cam, even though the lift-at-the-valve profile might > be quite > similar. > > Cheers, > Theo > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > > > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Tony Somebody > > Sent: August 18, 2009 11:34 AM > > To: tigers at autox.team.net; > Jeffrey Nichols > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Roller 289 > > > > > requiring change if used with a roller cam. Is there a > > > problem using roller lifters with a non roller cam > because of > > the hardness-like w/ the dist. gear. > > TtT > > _______________________________________________ From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Aug 18 12:11:40 2009 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Roller 289 In-Reply-To: <67775.7715.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <67775.7715.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <931073.80765.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tony - I have used mechanical rollers in SVO and Dart blocks with no machine work. Not sure if the same for later model Stock type Hydraulic Rollers or for early blocks but I would check with CompCams, or other supplier to see what they have available and what you need to do to the block. The gear on the distributor will need to be changed IF you have a true billet cam, but some of the street rollers do not require it as I understand it. Do not run a rollers on a non-roller cam (or the other way), the way they work and the shape/style of the cam lobe is totally different and it will result in a FAIL if you try it. Also don't forget to use the correct valve spring (different for flat vs. rollers) and check valve to piston clearance if running big lift. HTH Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Tony Somebody To: tigers at autox.team.net; Jeffrey Nichols Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:34:21 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Roller 289 Jeff- have you dynoed your engine? Just wondering what kind of HP you managed to massage out of a 260 block. To others who started this thread, I have a 5 bolt 289 and have had it in several cars, including 2 Tigers. I would grab another if I ever got the chance. Knowing how much abuse I put the engine thru, the last time I rebuilt it, I considered a roller cam and lifters. There is a kit but the necessary machine work to make the cam work was extremely costly or perhaps only lifters could be installed (memory problems exist)- no matter I decided to store the fresh engine and use a 5.0 HO engine when I go to a roller engine. know there is a hp gain when using the roller lifters but is it worth the machine work and cost. Also mentioned is the dist. gear requiring change if used with a roller cam. Is there a problem using roller lifters with a non roller cam because of the hardness-like w/ the dist. gear. TtT _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From shutchin at netjets.com Tue Aug 18 12:32:15 2009 From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:32:15 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Roller 289 Message-ID: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D4056C0D68@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com> My understanding is that one of the advantages of a roller cam is that it allows much higher valve spring tension and faster opening and closing of the valves. This is accompished by having much steeper ramps on the cam. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations NetJets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 ** ******* This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. 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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Tue Aug 18 12:43:46 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:43:46 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tires, Rear end, and gear ratio, rpm, road speed calculator In-Reply-To: <22507f140908171509p2768d74dmb05bd1f9676223bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <22507f140908171509p2768d74dmb05bd1f9676223bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A8AF662.6040906@SoCal.rr.com> Kevin, If you want to know exactly how much the tire size, rear end ratio, or transmission gear influences your speed/rpm, there is a hand "Gear Ratio Calculator", by Bob Hokanson on TigersUnited.com, with default settings that are easily changed: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/HokansonGearSpeedXL/pt-HokansonGearSpeedX and, Sandy Ganz has on online calculator at: http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/GearCalc.html ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com L.asp kevin beck wrote: > I've never had a problem with overheating, but where I'm at there is no stop > and go traffic or backups I could always make a turn and find open road. > Regardless just wondering what fan is on my car ford/lat option or what it > is a six blade fiberglass unit red in color at one time. I also have been > curious about the effects after market tires have on rear end ratio, years > ago I read a article about tires, and came away thinking tire size may > effect rear end ratio somewhat. Kevin > _______________________________________________ From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 18 12:46:11 2009 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Roller 289 In-Reply-To: <67775.7715.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <679107.28728.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No dyno yet for my engine. Someone else on this list did dyno a 260, .030 overbore, street roller cam, Edelbrock F4B manifold and saw 279HP on a dyno. So I'm hoping for 275HP give or take a few horses. I also put in screw-in studs and I should be able to rev up to 7,000rpm, or so I'm told. I think 6500 is my red line. Jeff --- On Tue, 8/18/09, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: Re: [Tigers] Roller 289 To: tigers at autox.team.net, "Jeffrey Nichols" Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 1:34 PM Jeff- have you dynoed your engine? Just wondering what kind of HP you managed to massage out of a 260 block. To others who started this thread, I have a 5 bolt 289 and have had it in several cars, including 2 Tigers. I would grab another if I ever got the chance. Knowing how much abuse I put the engine thru, the last time I rebuilt it, I considered a roller cam and lifters. There is a kit but the necessary machine work to make the cam work was extremely costly or perhaps only lifters could be installed (memory problems exist)- no matter I decided to store the fresh engine and use a 5.0 HO engine when I go to a roller engine. know there is a hp gain when using the roller lifters but is it worth the machine work and cost. Also mentioned is the dist. gear requiring change if used with a roller cam. Is there a problem using roller lifters with a non roller cam because of the hardness-like w/ the dist. gear. TtT From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 18 12:56:58 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:56:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Roller 289 In-Reply-To: <931073.80765.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <808080.91316.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks all but Im not going to change my old 5 bolt 289. I have a couple of roller engines when it comes that time. This all started from someone else asking about using roller lifters BUT it is good information and too, we all like LIST emails that make us smarter. I am going back and talk to the machinest I orginally ask about doing the swap prior to when I rebuilt the engine. Im certain he told me he had to do some machine work to fit the roller cam to the 5 bolt and evidently that isnt so. Perhaps he just told me he had to drill the valleys to bolt the spiders etc. I need to slap him anyway, he lost my 1725 S5 head I spent hours porting and wants me to believe I took the head- the engine is still there- why take the head and leave the block. It was nice head too - not ate up at the water ports. My Ford lover machinest had to retire(cancer) Im sure from the hot tank chemicals he had go thru his skin etc over so many years of putting blocks and heads in & out of the hot tank. He loved workig on Ford engines, especially if they went in a Tiger or other go fast type car. He always ask you to bring it by his shop so he could listen to it run. I think he could tell lift and duration by ear. LOL TtT --- On Tue, 8/18/09, Sandy Ganz wrote: > From: Sandy Ganz > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Roller 289 > To: "Tony Somebody" , tigers at autox.team.net, "Jeffrey Nichols" > Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 1:11 PM > Tony - > > I have used mechanical rollers in SVO and Dart blocks with > no machine work. Not sure if the same for later model Stock > type Hydraulic Rollers or for early blocks but I would check > with CompCams, or other supplier to see what they have > available and what you need to do to the block. > > The gear on the distributor will need to be changed IF you > have a true billet cam, but some of the street rollers do > not require it as I understand it. > > Do not run a rollers on a non-roller cam (or the other > way), the way they work and the shape/style of the cam lobe > is totally different and it will result in a FAIL if you try > it. Also don't forget to use the correct valve spring > (different for flat vs. rollers) and check valve to piston > clearance if running big lift. > > HTH > > Sandy > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Tony Somebody > To: tigers at autox.team.net; > Jeffrey Nichols > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:34:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Roller 289 > > Jeff- have you dynoed your engine? Just wondering what kind > of HP you managed to massage out of a 260 block. > > To others who started this thread, I have a 5 bolt 289 and > have had it in several cars, including 2 Tigers. I would > grab another if I ever got the chance. Knowing how much > abuse I put the engine thru, the last time I rebuilt it, I > considered a roller cam and lifters. There is a kit but the > necessary machine work to make the cam work was extremely > costly or perhaps only lifters could be installed (memory > problems exist)- no matter I decided to store the fresh > engine and use a 5.0 HO engine when I go to a roller engine. > know there is a hp gain when using the roller lifters but is > it worth the machine work and cost. Also mentioned is the > dist. gear requiring change if used with a roller cam. Is > there a problem using roller lifters with a non roller cam > because of the hardness-like w/ the dist. gear. > TtT > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Tue Aug 18 13:12:48 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:12:48 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tires, Rear end, and gear ratio, rpm, road speed calculator In-Reply-To: <4A8AF662.6040906@SoCal.rr.com> References: <22507f140908171509p2768d74dmb05bd1f9676223bc@mail.gmail.com> <4A8AF662.6040906@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <4A8AFD30.1090702@SoCal.rr.com> Whoops, Part of the link got chopped. it is: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/HokansonGearSpeedXL/pt-HokansonGearSpeedXL.asp ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Laifman wrote: > Kevin, > > If you want to know exactly how much the tire size, rear end ratio, or > transmission gear influences your speed/rpm, there is a hand "Gear > Ratio Calculator", by Bob Hokanson on TigersUnited.com, with default > settings that are easily changed: > / > http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/HokansonGearSpeedXL/pt-HokansonGearSpeedX > / > > and, Sandy Ganz has on online calculator at: > > http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/GearCalc.html > > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > L.asp > > kevin beck wrote: >> I've never had a problem with overheating, but where I'm at there is >> no stop >> and go traffic or backups I could always make a turn and find open road. >> Regardless just wondering what fan is on my car ford/lat option or >> what it >> is a six blade fiberglass unit red in color at one time. I also have >> been >> curious about the effects after market tires have on rear end ratio, >> years >> ago I read a article about tires, and came away thinking tire size may >> effect rear end ratio somewhat. Kevin >> _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as slaifman at socal.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Tue Aug 18 20:45:39 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:45:39 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Washer bottle problem In-Reply-To: <78AFE7E7D00A4DBAA85C6BB9B96011C0@delldimension> References: <78AFE7E7D00A4DBAA85C6BB9B96011C0@delldimension> Message-ID: <4A8B6753.6020008@SoCal.rr.com> Speaking of Alan Moss, we saw him at the Rolex Monterey Historics last weekend. He was racing his TC along with pre-20's group. I knew Alan when he was working in an L.A. garage in the 1950's. His partner was Mike Goodman, famous for MG-TC restorations. Alan's MG-TC body was hanging in pieces from the rafters, after painting. They both worked on my MG-TD He sold "Moss Motors" a while ago and is now retired. Pretty energetic for his age, and he is only a few years older than I. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Mike Michels wrote: > You might want to try the smaller one for MGs and Austin Healeys I > believe it is available from moss motors. It looks very similar, with > "Tudor" logo, but is smaller diameter and shorter length. From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Aug 18 21:11:48 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:11:48 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] SCF74 at monterey video Message-ID: I heard #74 had an unlucky weekend at monterey.. this is an incar video from a falcon chasing the SCF car.. seesmt o develop a braking issue or tyre problem.. either way.. fun to watch it doing weeel before the problem.. holds of a cobra without to much trouble. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYm2ITk2R5k&feature=channel_page -- Regards Michael King From atwittsend at verizon.net Tue Aug 18 21:40:36 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:40:36 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] SCF74 at monterey video References: Message-ID: <5ADC7AED1B60496598D23ED8B51C211E@student2> I kept trying to grab for my joy stick and steer the thing...!!! :-) I have to say it was some of the best racing footage I can recall. Probably because in most films the editing takes you out of the drives seat too much. Remember #74 was ahead for a l-o-n-g time. All the best next time. Side note: With all due respect to Buck and John I'm a Falcon fan so I really enjoyed this - anyway. Interesting the stock (or near stock size) steering wheel on the Falcon. That and the shifting action had a "moonshiner run" feel to it. From tsmit at shaw.ca Tue Aug 18 22:16:25 2009 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:16:25 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] SCF74 at monterey video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A8B7C99.6040102@shaw.ca> michael king wrote: > I heard #74 had an unlucky weekend at monterey.. this is an incar video from > a falcon chasing the SCF car.. seesmt o develop a braking issue or tyre > problem.. either way.. fun to watch it doing weeel before the problem.. > holds of a cobra without to much trouble. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYm2ITk2R5k&feature=channel_page > > That's a great video. That Falcon (and by extension, Buck's Tiger and the other cars in that group) is pulling some serious cornering G - the datalogger display showed 1.2G in either lateral direction. It also shows you how sketchy the (1963-vintage) brakes are - he's only getting about 0.6G of deceleration. I'm sure that he could do more, but only once or twice and then that would be it for the brakes. Cheers, Theo From dougbabcock at comcast.net Tue Aug 18 13:46:16 2009 From: dougbabcock at comcast.net (Doug Babcock) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:46:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] TAC Event - Portland OR Message-ID: <630798795.893411250624776727.JavaMail.root@sz0167a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> We will be TAC'ing cars at the annual All British Field Meet held at Portland International Raceway on Saturday, September 5th.B If you haven't attended before it is a great show with approx. 600 British cars and 3 days of vintage racing. Doug Babcock From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Aug 18 22:21:07 2009 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] SCF74 at monterey video In-Reply-To: <4A8B7C99.6040102@shaw.ca> References: <4A8B7C99.6040102@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <942184.88301.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Don't kid yourself the Eisenburg's Falcon is very well set up, I'll bet no trouble with brakes either. I have seen the black 'sinister' Falcon several times at Willow and it is pretty hard core, of course well within guidelines of VARA rules and such (hehehe). The car pretty much got the GT350 treatment that he knows so well how to set up. It is a hot car, and it moves, lots more rubber then the tiger too. I didn't catch sunday's races but stopped in saturday to see Buck and a few others. Excellent time. Morton must have been pissed off to get passed in any case. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Theo Smit To: michael king Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:16:25 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] SCF74 at monterey video michael king wrote: > I heard #74 had an unlucky weekend at monterey.. this is an incar video from > a falcon chasing the SCF car.. seesmt o develop a braking issue or tyre > problem.. either way.. fun to watch it doing weeel before the problem.. > holds of a cobra without to much trouble. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYm2ITk2R5k&feature=channel_page > > That's a great video. That Falcon (and by extension, Buck's Tiger and the other cars in that group) is pulling some serious cornering G - the datalogger display showed 1.2G in either lateral direction. It also shows you how sketchy the (1963-vintage) brakes are - he's only getting about 0.6G of deceleration. I'm sure that he could do more, but only once or twice and then that would be it for the brakes. Cheers, Theo You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From drmayf at mayfco.com Fri Aug 14 18:27:18 2009 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:27:18 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Bck from the Salt Wars Message-ID: <4A8600E6.6090000@mayfco.com> First, the goal is still unsatisfied but I now have new information that will definitely help attain it. Let me say a word of praise for the SCTA_BNI organization and th evolunteers that worked this meet. When I went to the drivers meeting on Saturday morning it seemed as if fully 1/3 of the folk there were first timers. There were three courses: the standard l ong course, the standard short course and teh "special short course". Allthose who needed licensing and cars that need verification runs were to use the special short course. This worked to absolute perfection! The salt was near perfect as well. There waas a time or two that we drove out to the special course and there were more vehicles in line there than the other two combined. SCTA-BNI: Gentlemen, that worked to perfection! I know it wont always be so, but this year was fantastic! After the drivers meeting, we dug the car out of the trailer and went to inspection. There were no vehicles in the tech safty inspection line! Noting amiss in the line at all, except that I think I received some bad information that I will need to check directly with teh SCTA folk about: that was inspector said my SA2005 helment would need to be replaced next year? Huh? And the other was that I should move my arm restraints to my gloves at the wrists. I hav enever heard of that one either. So until I see something in print on that one I will wait... Ok, so Sunday we decided to make a run in the mid afternoon. I needed to kinda train my number twop son so we took some time. My plan was to make an easy pass on the short course, not special course, pull the chute and check for stability. Went up to about 125 give or take , pulle dth echute and dang.... the car slowed down like a banshee and I turned out tot he return road and looked back after getting out of the car..chute was still in the bag, lol... Very bad packing job on my part. Still teh car handled very good and no ill manners at all. Next day, Monday, we took out time and repacked the chute again using our preferred methid. Fueled up the car, checked the plugs and towed out to the short course. Hardly any line waiting at all. Suited up, got in and ran. This time I wanted ot up the anti some so made a 156 pass, pulled the chute and it worked just fine this time and the car handled smoothly and safely. Lots of good data on that run. Tues, wash the chute, repack it set up the car and off we go again. Still on the short course. I made an angryier pass this time making 183 in the 3rd mile of the short course. That is pretty consistent with the other pass iI had made a year or so ago at 184. Chute worked as advertised again and the car handled pretty doggone well. Bad news. NO data. It started taking data then just quit. Oh, on an angry run, the engine room get dang hot, lol... Need to wear cotton gloves to lift the hood. Ok, so, next run was set up for the long course. I turned up the boost regulator a bit, fueld the car, towed out to the long course. This time in the morning befor lunch. Needed to do that so we could get the car ready to load as we needed to return our kid to SLC to catch a flight home next day. Again absolutely no wait time! Finished suiting up, turned on the laptop for data recording, got in the car. Starter said go and I went, finished the run at 186 in the 4th mile. well, that was disappointing. Had a bit of a cross wind that caused a bit of a moment when teh chute blossomed but drove out of it by keep ing my foot in it then slowed rapidy well before the 5th mile. PPost mortem. No damaged parts, heck, the oil still looks near new! Ditto the plugs. Talked to a team that runs an 84 inch wheel base alpha romeo to 227 mph. So, short cars can be driven quite successfully. He shared his secrest with me. Slow the steering waaay down, make it understeer like crazy, hard front springs, soft rear springs. So I have some tragets for improvements in the driveability department. I am now convinced that the engine is being hampered by my poor choice of cam, lifters, valve springs being used and those will be changed in what ever manner the cam company (I'll check them all) says. I am truely diasppointed with the data logging experience and while the tweecer has been giving good service, it is not a race system. I will have my bud Dave D help with that department. Whew... more later... I have only been home about an hour, lol.... mayf From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Tue Aug 18 23:35:44 2009 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:35:44 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] SCF74 at monterey video In-Reply-To: <942184.88301.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4A8B7C99.6040102@shaw.ca> <942184.88301.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0054CE5A7D844835832B76939966C510@BucksLaptop> Don't forget Mike did a very nice job driving. I looked at his lap times and they were almost all within a tenth. Amazing. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Ganz" To: "Theo Smit" ; "michael king" Cc: "Tiger Talk List Tiger" Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] SCF74 at monterey video > Don't kid yourself the Eisenburg's Falcon is very well set up, I'll bet no > trouble with brakes either. I have seen the black 'sinister' Falcon > several > times at Willow and it is pretty hard core, of course well within > guidelines > of VARA rules and such (hehehe). The car pretty much got the GT350 > treatment > that he knows so well how to set up. It is a hot car, and it moves, lots > more > rubber then the tiger too. I didn't catch sunday's races but stopped in > saturday to see Buck and a few others. Excellent time. Morton must have > been > pissed off to get passed in any case. > > Sandy > . > > http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 08:11:34 2009 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:11:34 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] SCF74 at monterey video In-Reply-To: <0054CE5A7D844835832B76939966C510@BucksLaptop> References: <4A8B7C99.6040102@shaw.ca> <942184.88301.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0054CE5A7D844835832B76939966C510@BucksLaptop> Message-ID: <39a841b0908190711x30ed119dw611d539e332acbf4@mail.gmail.com> here are some more clips: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM7kG_5fdCY On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 6:35 AM, Buck Trippel wrote: > Don't forget Mike did a very nice job driving. > > I looked at his lap times and they were almost all within a tenth. Amazing. > > Buck Trippel > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Ganz" > To: "Theo Smit" ; "michael king" > Cc: "Tiger Talk List Tiger" > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:21 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] SCF74 at monterey video > > > Don't kid yourself the Eisenburg's Falcon is very well set up, I'll bet no >> trouble with brakes either. I have seen the black 'sinister' Falcon >> several >> times at Willow and it is pretty hard core, of course well within >> guidelines >> of VARA rules and such (hehehe). The car pretty much got the GT350 >> treatment >> that he knows so well how to set up. It is a hot car, and it moves, lots >> more >> rubber then the tiger too. I didn't catch sunday's races but stopped in >> saturday to see Buck and a few others. Excellent time. Morton must have >> been >> pissed off to get passed in any case. >> >> Sandy >> >> . > > >> http://www.team.net/archive >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From zymmer4 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 19 08:12:08 2009 From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 07:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] SCF74 at monterey video In-Reply-To: <0054CE5A7D844835832B76939966C510@BucksLaptop> Message-ID: <387094.49040.qm@web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi, That is a serious Tiger..I am assuming that the Cobra was a 289 derivitave but that Tiger really had some straight line acceleration!! Howard The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Wed, 8/19/09, Buck Trippel wrote: From: Buck Trippel Subject: Re: [Tigers] SCF74 at monterey video To: "Sandy Ganz" , "Theo Smit" , "michael king" Cc: "Tiger Talk List Tiger" Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 1:35 AM Don't forget Mike did a very nice job driving. I looked at his lap times and they were almost all within a tenth. Amazing. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Ganz" To: "Theo Smit" ; "michael king" Cc: "Tiger Talk List Tiger" Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] SCF74 at monterey video > Don't kid yourself the Eisenburg's Falcon is very well set up, I'll bet no > trouble with brakes either. I have seen the black 'sinister' Falcon several > times at Willow and it is pretty hard core, of course well within guidelines > of VARA rules and such (hehehe). The car pretty much got the GT350 treatment > that he knows so well how to set up. It is a hot car, and it moves, lots more > rubber then the tiger too. I didn't catch sunday's races but stopped in > saturday to see Buck and a few others. Excellent time. Morton must have been > pissed off to get passed in any case. > > Sandy > . > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as zymmer4 at yahoo.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Aug 19 08:12:47 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:12:47 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] SCF74 at monterey video In-Reply-To: <942184.88301.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4A8B7C99.6040102@shaw.ca> <942184.88301.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019054CB@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> I wasn't dissing the Falcon or its driver... Just commenting on the numbers from the datalogger and speculating on the discrepancy between the cornering and braking figures. Prepping a car to that level of performance and driving it consistently takes a great deal of skill and I'm certainly not suggesting they're not using it for all it's got. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz > Sent: August 18, 2009 10:21 PM > To: Theo Smit; michael king > Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger > Subject: Re: [Tigers] SCF74 at monterey video > > Don't kid yourself the Eisenburg's Falcon is very well set > up, I'll bet no trouble with brakes either. I have seen the > black 'sinister' Falcon several times at Willow and it is > pretty hard core, of course well within guidelines of VARA > rules and such (hehehe). The car pretty much got the GT350 > treatment that he knows so well how to set up. It is a hot > car, and it moves, lots more rubber then the tiger too. I > didn't catch sunday's races but stopped in saturday to see > Buck and a few others. Excellent time. Morton must have been > pissed off to get passed in any case. > > Sandy From jteepen at usatoday.com Wed Aug 19 12:07:20 2009 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:07:20 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] SCF74 at monterey video In-Reply-To: <942184.88301.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4A8B7C99.6040102@shaw.ca> <942184.88301.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0B9AB39A6D08EE4BADA31C2AA212B9690F146F8B@ENT-MOCEXCMB02.us.ad.gannett.com> I read about Mike's Falcon and it is the only 1963 Falcon with a period history in Trans Am racing, getting in on the first year or two of the series. With provenance like that it is truly a rare bird! -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:21 PM To: Theo Smit; michael king Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger Subject: Re: [Tigers] SCF74 at monterey video Don't kid yourself the Eisenburg's Falcon is very well set up, I'll bet no trouble with brakes either. I have seen the black 'sinister' Falcon several times at Willow and it is pretty hard core, of course well within guidelines of VARA rules and such (hehehe). The car pretty much got the GT350 treatment that he knows so well how to set up. It is a hot car, and it moves, lots more rubber then the tiger too. I didn't catch sunday's races but stopped in saturday to see Buck and a few others. Excellent time. Morton must have been pissed off to get passed in any case. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Theo Smit To: michael king Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:16:25 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] SCF74 at monterey video michael king wrote: > I heard #74 had an unlucky weekend at monterey.. this is an incar video from > a falcon chasing the SCF car.. seesmt o develop a braking issue or tyre > problem.. either way.. fun to watch it doing weeel before the problem.. > holds of a cobra without to much trouble. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYm2ITk2R5k&feature=channel_page > > That's a great video. That Falcon (and by extension, Buck's Tiger and the other cars in that group) is pulling some serious cornering G - the datalogger display showed 1.2G in either lateral direction. It also shows you how sketchy the (1963-vintage) brakes are - he's only getting about 0.6G of deceleration. I'm sure that he could do more, but only once or twice and then that would be it for the brakes. Cheers, Theo You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Wed Aug 19 15:17:52 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:17:52 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] SCF74 at Monterey video In-Reply-To: <0B9AB39A6D08EE4BADA31C2AA212B9690F146F8B@ENT-MOCEXCMB02.us.ad.gannett.com> References: <4A8B7C99.6040102@shaw.ca> <942184.88301.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0B9AB39A6D08EE4BADA31C2AA212B9690F146F8B@ENT-MOCEXCMB02.us.ad.gannett.com> Message-ID: <4A8C6C00.5050901@SoCal.rr.com> Guys, (currently meaning both girls and boys - where have I been?) As I understand the Monterey Historics rules, the competing cars must have been raced at authorized events (not stop-light Grand Prix's) in their days as a new cars. If you look closely in the road left grandstands, after the "CooperTires" half circle tire bridge, you'll see me, my wife, my son Jay, and his two sons. Look Quick! Really exciting (and noisy) watching Group 5B and the Tigers. Luckily an exhibitor (Hagerty) was passing out free ear-plugs and "loot bags"." Jay is a member of two Porsche organizations, and arranged a lunch at the Porsche Club area. More free stuff for the Loot bag. Was able to visit the "pit" area, Saturday, to see our friends Buck Tripple and Dan Walters, and even my old mechanic Alan Moss (Moss Motors) in his MG-TC. Must have missed Jere Teepen. The Tiger drivers, Tom Sakai and John Morton were resting-up for Sunday's event. "John Morton drove our #74 Sports Car Forum" (per Buck). I know that the Pebble Beach Concourse was featuring Bugatti, and a number of Type 57 (SC) were shown. There are more Type 57's around than Bugatti ever made! (;- ) But there was a POTFUL of Type 35's in the races. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Aug 19 15:47:20 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:47:20 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] SCF74 at monterey video In-Reply-To: <0B9AB39A6D08EE4BADA31C2AA212B9690F146F8B@ENT-MOCEXCMB02.us.ad.gannett.com> References: <4A8B7C99.6040102@shaw.ca><942184.88301.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0B9AB39A6D08EE4BADA31C2AA212B9690F146F8B@ENT-MOCEXCMB02.us.ad.gannett.com> Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019054CE@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Google to the rescue! http://www.carcraft.com/featuredvehicles/ccrp_0807_63_ford_falcon/index. html Looks like the combination of period Trans Am competition and Ford parts-bin homologation (and Mike E's diligence in digging up the correct parts) really did the Falcon well. -Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Teepen, Jere > Sent: August 19, 2009 12:07 PM > To: Sandy Ganz; Theo Smit; michaelking > Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger > Subject: Re: [Tigers] SCF74 at monterey video > > I read about Mike's Falcon and it is the only 1963 Falcon > with a period history in Trans Am racing, getting in on the > first year or two of the series. > With provenance like that it is truly a rare bird! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:21 PM > To: Theo Smit; michael king > Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger > Subject: Re: [Tigers] SCF74 at monterey video > > Don't kid yourself the Eisenburg's Falcon is very well set > up, I'll bet no trouble with brakes either. I have seen the > black 'sinister' Falcon several times at Willow and it is > pretty hard core, of course well within guidelines of VARA > rules and such (hehehe). The car pretty much got the GT350 > treatment that he knows so well how to set up. It is a hot > car, and it moves, lots more rubber then the tiger too. I > didn't catch sunday's races but stopped in saturday to see > Buck and a few others. Excellent time. Morton must have been > pissed off to get passed in any case. > > Sandy > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Theo Smit > To: michael king > Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger > Sent: Tuesday, August 18, > 2009 9:16:25 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] SCF74 at monterey video > > michael king > wrote: > > I heard #74 had an unlucky weekend at monterey.. this is an incar > video from > > a falcon chasing the SCF car.. seesmt o develop a braking issue > or tyre > > problem.. either way.. fun to watch it doing weeel before the > problem.. > > holds of a cobra without to much trouble. > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYm2ITk2R5k&feature=channel_page > > > > > That's > a great video. That Falcon (and by extension, Buck's Tiger > and the other cars in that group) is pulling some serious > cornering G - the datalogger display showed 1.2G in either > lateral direction. It also shows you how sketchy the > (1963-vintage) brakes are - he's only getting about 0.6G of > deceleration. I'm sure that he could do more, but only once > or twice and then that would be it for the brakes. > > Cheers, > Theo > You are subscribed as > sganz at pacbell.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as theo.smit at dynastream.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 20:02:32 2009 From: kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com (kevin beck) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:02:32 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] convertable top stowage Message-ID: <22507f140908191902u551c4e1fjc431e1c5e96f72bb@mail.gmail.com> I recently picked up the metal panels to cover my top when down. I what to test fit the panels, but can't get my top to go down far enough. I did manage a 2 inch tear in my top though. I installed the top 20 years ago and it seems to fit pretty nice. Never had any boot in the past so it didn't matter. Any ideals out there? Kevin From stubrennan at comcast.net Wed Aug 19 20:10:41 2009 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:10:41 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] New England Race of the Century Aug 23 Message-ID: <000501ca213b$6b6700a0$6601a8c0@Brennan> Here's a reminder about this weekend! See the parking and weather comment at the end. And please RSVP if you are coming. August 23: The Race of the Century at the Collings Foundation in Stow, MA. The entire collection of cars and aircraft housed at the site will be on display. Cars and aircraft from their collection, and perhaps some real horsepower, will participate in a series of "races" to demonstrate the various stages of the advancement of transportation technology. >From the Collings web site: Race of the Century August 23rd Stow, MA Hours: 8:30 AM to 4:30 PM An extraordinary event that pits some of the greatest technological advancements in air and ground transportation against each other in a series of "races" Exhibits and displays throughout the event. The entire Collings Foundation collection will be open for viewing. Races start around 1:00 PM. Entire Facility Open Daily: 8:30 AM to 4:30 PM Gate Fee: $15 Adults / $10 Children This is a public event. No reservations are needed. (Line up of events subject to change) See my pictures from last year at: http://www.pbase.com/sb_photos/raceofcentury For more information and directions, see: http://www.collingsfoundation.org/cf_RofC2009.htm It's probably best to get there around lunch time. We'll try to get together for lunch around noon. They had food there last year, not so great, so you might want to bring a picnic lunch. I'll contact them and see if they will let us park along the tree line again. The handful of us who went last year had a great time, so plan on joining us. Please RSVP to me if you are planning to go. Added Notes: Parking: I've been in touch with the staff, and they will let up park together. There will be other clubs present, so the first guy there should claim us some space, along the tree line if possible. I'll be heading up after the F1 race is done, getting there maybe 11 ish. Weather: As of wednesday evening they are predicting some rain early on Sunday from the passing hurricane. Could be more, could be less. Now, its just my opinion, but most of what we'd be doing is outside, and rain would certainly curtail the flying. They have another show in the fall, so maybe we could do that. I'll be away from email thursday PM through later Saturday, so if the weather really looks horrid, I'll officially cancel on Saturday evening. From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Aug 19 20:41:36 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:41:36 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] convertable top stowage In-Reply-To: <22507f140908191930h19a50e6jad73167132e81748@mail.gmail.com> References: <22507f140908191902u551c4e1fjc431e1c5e96f72bb@mail.gmail.com> <22507f140908191930h19a50e6jad73167132e81748@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes.. thats your problem! The soft top should only be retained at the back by the long metal strip, the side ones only retain the rubber seal, it they hold the soft top it cant fold down far enough, and yes.. will normally make a nice tear 2009/8/20 kevin beck > My top is sealed in the back with the 2 smaller strips on the sides and the > longer one in the center. If I take the side strips off your telling me the > top should go down the rest of the way, It does get tight now. Kevin > > > .On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:16 PM, michael king wrote: > >> Does your soft top seal all the way around the back wit the 3 metal >> strips? The long central one should be the only one retaining the top, if >> the side ones retain the top it wont fold down far enough and can tear. >> >> Also make sure the metal covers are from the SIV alpine/MKI tiger. The >> SI/Ii have different rear and side panels, and i think the S3 has a slighlty >> different profile on the rear panel where the cavity goes round the body. >> >> 2009/8/20 kevin beck >> >>> I recently picked up the metal panels to cover my top when down. I what >>> to >>> test fit the panels, but can't get my top to go down far enough. I did >>> manage a 2 inch tear in my top though. I installed the top 20 years ago >>> and >>> it seems to fit pretty nice. Never had any boot in the past so it didn't >>> matter. Any ideals out there? Kevin >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> You are subscribed as michael.s.king at gmail.com >>> >>> Tigers at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >>> >>> http://www.team.net/archive >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards >> >> Michael King >> > > -- Regards Michael King From rspontelli at earthlink.net Wed Aug 19 21:25:41 2009 From: rspontelli at earthlink.net (Ramon Spontelli) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:25:41 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] SCF74 at monterey video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <> For "sketchy" brakes, somewhere I have an old G-Analyst printout showing 1.0G in braking with the Mk II autocrosser at a CalClub championship. Running legal in BSP, we had bone-stock brakes with OEM shoes at the rear, Dale's Carbon-Kevlar pads from Porterfield at the front, and all OEM calipers/rotors/drums, master and wheel cylinders, and booster. Yes, they are not in the same class as the Z06 brakes, but not too shabby for 1959 technology. <> Absolutely! First time we tried an open-track event at Willow Springs, driving like it was an autocross, we were in the pits bleeding off boiling brake fluid after three or four laps--whole different game! Ramon -----Original Message----- Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:16:25 -0600 From: Theo Smit Subject: Re: [Tigers] SCF74 at monterey video To: michael king Cc: Tiger Talk List Tiger Message-ID: <4A8B7C99.6040102 at shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed michael king wrote: > I heard #74 had an unlucky weekend at monterey.. this is an incar video from > a falcon chasing the SCF car.. seesmt o develop a braking issue or tyre > problem.. either way.. fun to watch it doing weeel before the problem.. > holds of a cobra without to much trouble. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYm2ITk2R5k&feature=channel_page > > That's a great video. That Falcon (and by extension, Buck's Tiger and the other cars in that group) is pulling some serious cornering G - the datalogger display showed 1.2G in either lateral direction. It also shows you how sketchy the (1963-vintage) brakes are - he's only getting about 0.6G of deceleration. I'm sure that he could do more, but only once or twice and then that would be it for the brakes. Cheers, Theo From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 01:47:26 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:47:26 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] long race footage of monterey tigers in group 5b Message-ID: More great footage of the group %B race at Monterey with the Tigers... and other nice 60's sports cars ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A1StKduVDQ&feature=related -- Regards Michael King From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Aug 20 01:54:49 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:54:49 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] video monterey tigers start Message-ID: The race start and first laps... go to 6min 10 seconds and enjoy!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvEGHNiRLmg&feature=channel -- Regards Michael King From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Thu Aug 20 07:21:01 2009 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:21:01 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] 275 HP 260!!!!! Details????? In-Reply-To: <20090630190504.9215V.419769.root@hrndva-web21-z01> Message-ID: <20090820132101.2DPJ4.708816.root@hrndva-web11-z01> So I recently read a post on this list about a 260, .030 over, F4B, with a roller cam making 275 HP. Can I get some details on the build? My 260, .030 over, F4B, hydraulic cam engine is making ~ 185 HP with recent head work and all new valves. Duke B382002037 From tgrrr at peoplepc.com Thu Aug 20 16:04:42 2009 From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:04:42 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 275 HP 260!!!!! Details????? References: <20090820132101.2DPJ4.708816.root@hrndva-web11-z01> Message-ID: You must have one of those "endurance motors" that Shelby sent to Rootes for the LeMans race! :-) Just kidding. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 6:21 AM Subject: [Tigers] 275 HP 260!!!!! Details????? > So I recently read a post on this list about a 260, .030 over, F4B, with a > roller cam making 275 HP. > > Can I get some details on the build? > > My 260, .030 over, F4B, hydraulic cam engine is making ~ 185 HP with > recent head work and all new valves. > > Duke > B382002037 From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 20 18:29:45 2009 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (J. Nichols) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:29:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 275 HP 260!!!!! Details????? And More! Message-ID: <004601ca21f6$7c1a4bd0$6401a8c0@your03667082de> "So I recently read a post on this list about a 260, .030 over, F4B, with a roller cam making 275 HP. Can I get some details on the build? My 260, .030 over, F4B, hydraulic cam engine is making ~ 185 HP with recent head work and all new valves." You may have case number 1. I hope to have case number 2 because my 260 heads have slightly larger valves with port work. Here is the original email from two years ago: Jeff "Last year I rebuilt two 260's and a 289 for my Tigers. One 260 was built with new stock-style replacement pistons, bored .030" over, ported and polished 351 heads, a modest cam upgrade, was balanced and blue printed with an F4B and 600 cfm Holley,roller rockers and SS headers. The big heads killed the compression ratio and limited the horsepower. I wound up with 189 hp at the flywheel. My second 260 was built with new custom flycut pistons to increase the valve to piston clearance, bored .030" over, ported and polished 289 heads, a mild (268H)cam upgrade, was balanced and blue printed with an F4B and 600 cfm Holley,roller rockers and original Sanderson headers. This engine dynoed at 279 hp and runs great. My 289 was built with flycut pistons to increase the valve to piston clearance, bored .030" over, ported and polished 289 heads, a Comp Cam retro roller cam upgrade (similar to the 5.0 cam), was balanced and blue printed with an F4B and 600 cfm Holley,and original Sanderson headers. This engine dynoed at 301 hp and runs great. See the January 2006 MUSTANG & FORDS magazine for more details on this rebuild. I learned quite a lot with these three engines. Attention to details is paramount. Bigger is not always better and 260 parts are getting harder to find. Steve Halbrook " From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 20 21:00:59 2009 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (J. Nichols) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:00:59 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 301 Horses for a Ford 289 Message-ID: <001101ca220b$9c783a30$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Check out this link to read how Steve Halbrook got 301HP from a 289. http://www.compcams.com/Community/Articles/Details.asp?ID=-1509992773 Jeff From michael.s.king at gmail.com Fri Aug 21 01:05:37 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:05:37 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] more monterey Message-ID: @41 seconds, SCF tiger http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MueYZB8jJMc -- Regards Michael King From sralsten at ca.rr.com Fri Aug 21 12:11:57 2009 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:11:57 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] more monterey In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090821181158.KDAQ7.313298.root@cdptpa-web19-z02> Thanks for posting all these links Michael. Can't believe I only live a few hundred miles south and I've never gone to this. Next year for sure, but I've also been saying that for 2 years now. Steve B9473720 From sganz at pacbell.net Fri Aug 21 12:24:32 2009 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] more monterey In-Reply-To: <20090821181158.KDAQ7.313298.root@cdptpa-web19-z02> References: <20090821181158.KDAQ7.313298.root@cdptpa-web19-z02> Message-ID: <210750.24112.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Steve - It's a really fun event, you can see some really nice cars and people in the pits are pretty nice about you poking around. I think it's one of the best collection of cars consistently over the years. From the Chitty Chitty Bang Bangs to the 917's something for everyone. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "sralsten at ca.rr.com" To: Tiger Talk List Tiger ; michael king Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 11:11:57 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] more monterey Thanks for posting all these links Michael. Can't believe I only live a few hundred miles south and I've never gone to this. Next year for sure, but I've also been saying that for 2 years now. Steve B9473720 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 21 12:48:34 2009 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:48:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] First Sign That The Economy Is On Its Way Back Message-ID: <817544.59438.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It looks like the economy has turned the corner and is on its way back. A copy of The Book Of Norm sold for $1550 on Ebay yesterday. Its been awhile since The Book Of Norman broke $1000. Item number: 130324781151 Jeff From sralsten at ca.rr.com Fri Aug 21 12:53:34 2009 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:53:34 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] And now for something completely different Message-ID: <20090821185334.A56MX.313847.root@cdptpa-web19-z02> More racing footage as only the Brits could do it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohkAxbeMxVo&NR=1&feature=fvwp From atwittsend at verizon.net Fri Aug 21 13:16:36 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:16:36 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] First Sign That The Economy Is On Its Way Back References: <817544.59438.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On a percentage of increase basis TBON (8 years) is the best investment I ever made! It has gone up over 5 times what I paid for it. My house (19 years) would have to hit 1.25 million to equal that. Today it's probably only a third of the way there. Tom From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Fri Aug 21 14:46:24 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:46:24 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] And now for something completely different In-Reply-To: <20090821185334.A56MX.313847.root@cdptpa-web19-z02> References: <20090821185334.A56MX.313847.root@cdptpa-web19-z02> Message-ID: <4A8F07A0.1080107@SoCal.rr.com> Steve R., and Tigers That, Top Gear episode, as is everything they do, hilarious. Tigers, if you haven't seen this show on BBCA (or have cable/satellite), you absolutely should look at all their U-Tube posted programs. The British have a way of doing "tongue-in-cheek" humor in an understated way. The new season began yesterday, and they test drove the "Ascari". Made in Great Britain, and named after a famed Italian race driver, Alberto Ascari. For all lovers of very sporting cars and trials, and humor generously sprinkled about, this is a "must see". As funny as the Mecum Auction antics (who are funny, but don't intend it). Here is a hot link for 60 episode portions: YouTube Top Gear Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com sralsten at ca.rr.com wrote: > More racing footage as only the Brits could do it. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohkAxbeMxVo&NR=1&feature=fvwp > _______________________________________________ From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Aug 21 16:54:48 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:54:48 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] First Sign That The Economy Is On Its Way Back In-Reply-To: <817544.59438.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <817544.59438.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019054E3@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> The next time I have anything to sell I'll make sure to invite the two bidders that, between them, carried it from $800... Wow. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols > Sent: August 21, 2009 12:49 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] First Sign That The Economy Is On Its Way Back > > > > It looks like the economy has turned the corner and is on its > way back. A > copy of The Book Of Norm sold for $1550 on Ebay yesterday. > Its been awhile > since The Book Of Norman broke $1000. > > > > > > Item number: > 130324781151 > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as theo.smit at dynastream.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From DJoh797014 at aol.com Sun Aug 23 10:35:55 2009 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:35:55 EDT Subject: [Tigers] test to yahoo Message-ID: Yahoo test msg From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sun Aug 23 11:13:25 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:13:25 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] SCF74 at Monterey video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A9178B5.90609@SoCal.rr.com> Mark, That Yellow Tiger (65/ 24/ 74), to the best of my knowledge, is always raced by Tom Sakai, of Big Bear, CA. He is very active in racing. I am sure Buck Tripple knows the details. Buck Tripple owns the white #74. It was piloted by John Morton at that event. Articles about him are at TigersUnited.com: http://www.tigersunited.com/articles/MontereyHistoric/Monterey-4a.asp More on the drivers and cars of the Monterey Historic - 2003 can be found on: http://www.tigersunited.com/articles/MontereyHistoric/Monterey-1a.asp I cc'd those that might know more about the rear tonneau. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com The Meswarbs wrote: > Steve, > > Maybe you can help me out. Do you know the owner of the yellow Tiger? He > has a panel behind the seat that fits flush with the body. Do you know if > it is custom or does someone like Dale make them? > > Thanks, > Mark From djoh797014 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 23 19:40:43 2009 From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] test from yahoo Message-ID: <973284.49161.qm@web111610.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> test from djoh797014 From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun Aug 23 20:45:06 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:45:06 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] A couple more monterey videos Message-ID: OK, am sure people are getting board of these... well im not! Another couple of videos from monterey, the first shows SCF74 and tom sakais yellow car, the second SCF74 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zVWq8rzjLI @ 30 seconds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyDPRNTY8IM -- Regards Michael King From sunbeamtiger_65 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 25 09:27:36 2009 From: sunbeamtiger_65 at hotmail.com (PJ) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 08:27:36 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 1965 Tiger on Craigslist In-Reply-To: References: <817544.59438.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/1340792214.html Must sell! Phil _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail. is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM _HYGN_faster:082009 From cmccann at lwpb.com Tue Aug 25 13:11:29 2009 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:11:29 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 1965 Tiger on Craigslist In-Reply-To: References: <817544.59438.qm@web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333B96EC73D9@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> once again...Guess what...its DESGINED BY CARROLL SHELBY!!!! YEA!!!!!! Subject: [Tigers] 1965 Tiger on Craigslist http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/1340792214.html Must sell! Phil From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tue Aug 25 14:21:16 2009 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:21:16 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] 1965 Tiger on Craigslist In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647333B96EC73D9@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: <20090825202116.JJUM2.20357.root@hrndva-web08-z01> Why would anyone put this in an ad to sell a car - "but may need to look at a motor rebuild soon. Just speculating" Duke B382002037 ---- Cullen McCann wrote: > once again...Guess what...its DESGINED BY CARROLL SHELBY!!!! YEA!!!!!! > > > > Subject: [Tigers] 1965 Tiger on Craigslist > > http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/1340792214.html > > > > Must sell! > > Phil > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From laurin212 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 25 14:40:47 2009 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:40:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] 1965 Tiger on Craigslist In-Reply-To: <20090825202116.JJUM2.20357.root@hrndva-web08-z01> Message-ID: <885510.86260.qm@web53608.mail.re2.yahoo.com> read that to mean it is currently smoking like a mofo and spewing oil upon start-up... > Why would anyone put this in an ad to > sell a car - "but may need to look at a motor rebuild soon. > Just speculating" From gswaybright at yahoo.com Tue Aug 25 14:50:20 2009 From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] 1965 Tiger on Craigslist In-Reply-To: <20090825202116.JJUM2.20357.root@hrndva-web08-z01> Message-ID: <143829.464.qm@web31403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Because that way his wife believe that he's really trying to sell the car, while in reality he does not have any intention of doing so. ;) BTW - if I were selling my Tiger, I'd include that Shelby's shop did the proof of concept engineering for the Tiger... that is a fact, and it has, and will continue to help Tiger values. Stephen Waybright --- On Tue, 8/25/09, wsamouce at kc.rr.com wrote: > From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com > Why would anyone put this in an ad to sell a car - "but may need to look > at a motor rebuild soon. Just speculating" > > Duke > B382002037 From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 25 15:12:28 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] 1965 Tiger on Craigslist In-Reply-To: <20090825202116.JJUM2.20357.root@hrndva-web08-z01> Message-ID: <460003.44766.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Maybe he was just being honest!!!!!!! It does happen, even when selling a used car. I did like the post about making his wife think he is trying to sell his car. I know its an early black dash car but shouldnt it have a wooden steering wheel or could I just not see that it is? TtT - "but may need to look at a motor rebuild soon. > Just speculating" > > > > > ---- Cullen McCann > wrote: > > once again...Guess what...its DESGINED BY CARROLL > SHELBY!!!! YEA!!!!!! > > > > > > > > Subject: [Tigers] 1965 Tiger on Craigslist > > > > http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/1340792214.html > > > > > > > > Must sell! > > > > Phil > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com > > > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as achd73 at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From awtiger at cox.net Tue Aug 25 16:40:53 2009 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:40:53 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 1965 Tiger on Craigslist In-Reply-To: <460003.44766.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <460003.44766.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, even the black dash cars had wooden steering wheels. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740) B9006857LRX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Somebody" To: "'Beamclub'" ; "Cullen McCann" ; Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] 1965 Tiger on Craigslist > Maybe he was just being honest!!!!!!! It does happen, even when selling a > used > car. I did like the post about making his wife think he is trying to sell > his > car. I know its an early black dash car but shouldnt it have a wooden > steering > wheel or could I just not see that it is? > TtT > > - "but may need to look at a motor rebuild soon. >> Just speculating" >> > >> >> >> >> ---- Cullen McCann >> wrote: >> > once again...Guess what...its DESGINED BY CARROLL >> SHELBY!!!! YEA!!!!!! >> > >> > >> > >> > Subject: [Tigers] 1965 Tiger on Craigslist >> > >> > http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/1340792214.html >> > >> > >> > >> > Must sell! >> > >> > Phil >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com >> > >> > Tigers at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> > >> > http://www.team.net/archive >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as achd73 at yahoo.com >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as awtiger at cox.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Aug 25 16:51:56 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:51:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 1965 Tiger on Craigslist In-Reply-To: <20090825202116.JJUM2.20357.root@hrndva-web08-z01> Message-ID: First off; this looks like a very nice Tiger no matter what. The engine must have been painted in the 70's too; should have been painted black not blue. There are also a couple other odd things on the engine like the throttle linkage and the valve that looks like its in the vacuum line to the servo or was I seeing things. If there is a problem with the engine I would look at that early style distributor first thing, notice the oil port on the side. They have a terrible internal wear problem and replacement parts are slim. A later style distributor might cure some or all of the problem this engine might have; I say this sight unseen so I could be wrong. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wsamouce at kc.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:21 PM To: 'Beamclub'; Cullen McCann Subject: Re: [Tigers] 1965 Tiger on Craigslist Why would anyone put this in an ad to sell a car - "but may need to look at a motor rebuild soon. Just speculating" Duke B382002037 ---- Cullen McCann wrote: > once again...Guess what...its DESGINED BY CARROLL SHELBY!!!! YEA!!!!!! > > > > Subject: [Tigers] 1965 Tiger on Craigslist > > http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/1340792214.html > > > > Must sell! > > Phil > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.65/2323 - Release Date: 08/25/09 06:08:00 From sunbeamtiger_65 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 25 16:57:02 2009 From: sunbeamtiger_65 at hotmail.com (PJ) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:57:02 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 1965 Tiger on Craigslist In-Reply-To: References: <460003.44766.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello, Being the owner of the Tiger 'in question' I put in the comment about the rebuild NOT because it is smokin' (like a mofo) but because of how many miles are on it. Actually the motor runs darn strong and does not leak or smoke, but then again I have seen motors run strong at that mileage before throwing a rod, etc. I tried to lay the facts out there as they are. Just trying to be the 'rare' honest guy trying to sell my car. By the way, my wife is not making me sell it, we just need to make room in the garage and need to focus more time to our business. I am very torn about selling it...trust me! :) -Phil > From: awtiger at cox.net > To: achd73 at yahoo.com; tigers at autox.team.net; cmccann at lwpb.com; wsamouce at kc.rr.com > Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:40:53 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 1965 Tiger on Craigslist > > Yes, even the black dash cars had wooden steering wheels. > > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740) > B9006857LRX > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Somebody" > To: "'Beamclub'" ; "Cullen McCann" > ; > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 1965 Tiger on Craigslist > > > > Maybe he was just being honest!!!!!!! It does happen, even when selling a > > used > > car. I did like the post about making his wife think he is trying to sell > > his > > car. I know its an early black dash car but shouldnt it have a wooden > > steering > > wheel or could I just not see that it is? > > TtT > > > > - "but may need to look at a motor rebuild soon. > >> Just speculating" > >> > > > >> > >> > >> > >> ---- Cullen McCann > >> wrote: > >> > once again...Guess what...its DESGINED BY CARROLL > >> SHELBY!!!! YEA!!!!!! > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Subject: [Tigers] 1965 Tiger on Craigslist > >> > > >> > http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/cto/1340792214.html > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Must sell! > >> > > >> > Phil > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > > >> > You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com > >> > > >> > Tigers at autox.team.net > >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >> > > >> > http://www.team.net/archive > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> You are subscribed as achd73 at yahoo.com > >> > >> Tigers at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >> > >> http://www.team.net/archive > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as awtiger at cox.net > > > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sunbeamtiger_65 at hotmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON: WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Tue Aug 25 17:03:57 2009 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry & Maureen (Mo)) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:03:57 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] First Texas TAC Ever - Y'all Come!! Message-ID: List - A friend of mine wants to set up a TAC session here in Texas and is unable to get on the list, so he asked me to post this on his behalf. Jerry Christopherson Here's his request - "Now, here's a deal you can't refuse... I have arranged for a Senior Tiger Authentication Committee Rep to come to Texas (Ft Worth) and work with us in authenticating Tigers built in the Jensen factory from 1964-1967. Jerry Christoperson and Bob Sparks have both had their cars authenticated. So, that leaves some of the rest of us from the Lone Star State and surrounding areas. The target dates are either October 17/18 or 24/25. Before I schedule a date, I would like your input. Those interested can come in on a trailer and probably never off load. I plan to use my shop/lift to assist in this program, as necessary. The inspection will take about a half hour per car. Please e-mail me at Racetig at hotmail.com at your earliest convenience and let me know which of the above dates work best for you. Rob Roy Tigers of North Texas (TNT)" From v8tracker at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 18:23:08 2009 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:23:08 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Overdrive toploader Message-ID: I happened to run across an interesting statement at http://www.5speeds.com/toploader.html. This has probably been common knowledge on the list for many years, but it is news to me and I thought I would throw it out. This gentlemen states that Ford built overdrive toploaders in 1977-1979 and installed them in vehicles such as the Granada. He says they made third gear the overdrive gear and flipped the third-fourth shift lever so that shifting into "third" actually put you into fourth and shifting into "fourth" put you into overdrive, giving ratios of 3.29, 1.84, 1.00 and .81. He also says the parts can be retrofitted into older toploaders. That looks like a big gap between 1st and 2nd, but maybe the earlier 1st gears could be used? At any rate, I'm just curious if any one has tried this modification on their Tiger. A. C. Tynes New Orleans From atwittsend at verizon.net Tue Aug 25 19:18:52 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:18:52 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Overdrive toploader References: Message-ID: <062BCC753A794FB7892CD6AEA35E9908@student2> A.C. Yes, this has come up a time or two. Basically the reply was "don't do it." You are correct the spread between 2nd to 3rd gear is quite large. There is another "Overdrive" with 3.07 1st, 1.72 2nd, 1.00 3rd, 0.70 4th, and 3.07 Rev.. ratios. Again, I hear the same comments not to use it. There is another tranny out there that I have been seaching for for years. It is the Jeep Toploader T-178 (1980-86), 275 HP rating. It has the following ratios: 3.01 1st, 2.08 2nd, 1.47 3rd, 1.00 4th and 3.01 Rev. Those gear ratios, coupled with TALLER tires, effectively makes for a equivanent overdrive (compared to a standard tire size), but with an effective 1st gear ratio equivilant to a wide ratio Toploader (again, because of the taller tires). Call it a "W-i-d-e-r Ratio" Toploader, but it isn't a "G-A-P Ratio" Toploader like the Overdrives. In the end you get about the 1st gear ratio of a wide ratio Toploader, a bit more spread (but and even spread as opposed to the gap in the overdrive) between gears and the effect of an overdrive. 8 years looking in Pick A Part and I only ever found one T-17(X) tranny. But it had rock crawler gears because it was a T-176 or a T-177, not the T-178 I want. The search continues. Tom From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 19:25:36 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:25:36 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Overdrive toploader In-Reply-To: <062BCC753A794FB7892CD6AEA35E9908@student2> References: <062BCC753A794FB7892CD6AEA35E9908@student2> Message-ID: I keep thinking.. Tom Hall 5 speed kit.. no crawling through junk yards, cutting/shutting and its a known quantity.. the time/hastle saved alone would be worth it -- Regards Michael King From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 25 20:50:34 2009 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:50:34 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Overdrive toploader In-Reply-To: References: <062BCC753A794FB7892CD6AEA35E9908@student2> Message-ID: <037DFA56E3444A5B99CC353C4E2E6710@ROSS> Listers, I have seen this first hand. Quality is outstanding, no fitting modifications with the transmission shifter and all modified parts (new drive shaft for example) are available as part of the kit. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse I keep thinking.. Tom Hall 5 speed kit.. no crawling through junk yards, cutting/shutting and its a known quantity.. the time/hastle saved alone would be worth it -- Regards Michael King From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Aug 25 21:03:53 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:03:53 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Overdrive toploader In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2009/8/26 The Meswarbs > Michael, > > Around $2000 for the kit and $600 for a trans seems a bit pricey to me. > Seems you'd have to put on a lot of miles to justify that swap. > The kit has a custom bellhousing, speedo gear to corect the gauge for your trans+rear end, linkages, shifter, tailshaft and is all high quality bespoke.. its a known quantity, i am hoping to get one of these and i'm going to have to ship it to australia.. so think how many more miles i'd need to do... i'm paying for the peace of mind and knowing that its all been done to the highest stadards and specifically for my car... think about the cost of something like this against buying a part for your average new car.. its actually quite cheap. > -- > Regards > > Michael King From MWood24020 at aol.com Tue Aug 25 21:18:21 2009 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:18:21 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Overdrive toploader Message-ID: I agree with Michael...do it once, do it right. In a message dated 8/25/2009 8:04:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, michael.s.king at gmail.com writes: 2009/8/26 The Meswarbs > Michael, > > Around $2000 for the kit and $600 for a trans seems a bit pricey to me. > Seems you'd have to put on a lot of miles to justify that swap. > The kit has a custom bellhousing, speedo gear to corect the gauge for your trans+rear end, linkages, shifter, tailshaft and is all high quality bespoke.. its a known quantity, i am hoping to get one of these and i'm going to have to ship it to australia.. so think how many more miles i'd need to do... i'm paying for the peace of mind and knowing that its all been done to the highest stadards and specifically for my car... think about the cost of something like this against buying a part for your average new car.. its actually quite cheap. > -- > Regards > > Michael King You are subscribed as mwood24020 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Tue Aug 25 21:36:31 2009 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:36:31 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Dale's Ackerman kit Message-ID: I bought one of Dale's Ackerman kits a couple of years ago, but never installed it until I did the restoration on Tigger this past year. Several have asked me to comment on the kit. I'm now ready to render an opinion. It is a BIG improvement. I can turn the wheels full lock without any of the shuddering of the stock configuration. The Sprite/Midget rack is faster. It requires a little more effort, but the quicker steering is worth it. Just a bonus. The Ackerman cure is worth the money IMHO. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From kentb at qualcomm.com Wed Aug 26 11:14:04 2009 From: kentb at qualcomm.com (Baker, Kent) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:14:04 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Sheet metal Message-ID: <361AD790290A5C489B652911BA4180D321CDA2B6@NASANEXMB16.na.qualcomm.com> I am finally getting to the complete restoration of my MK1a, and am looking for quality sheet metal replacement parts. Although a Southern California car, it has rust on the frame exhaust pass through and a few pin holes on the floorboards immediately above. The shop doing the frame welding contacted Martell in Ontario, but he is out of the Tiger sheet metal business. I noticed Classic Sunbeam Auto Parts has the exhaust frame patches listed on its parts sheet, but have no experience (yet) working with them. Suggestions for sources? The car is in Reno, Nevada, although I live in San Diego. Kent Baker From alittlemoreink at hotmail.com Wed Aug 26 11:26:38 2009 From: alittlemoreink at hotmail.com (John Crawley) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:26:38 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Overdrive toploader In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi AC: I have been running a 30% OD toploader for a number of years - if you want more info contact me at: alittlemoreink at hotmail.com GodSPEED Jc > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:23:08 -0500 > From: "A. C. Tynes" > Subject: [Tigers] Overdrive toploader > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I happened to run across an interesting statement at > http://www.5speeds.com/toploader.html. > > This has probably been common knowledge on the list for many years, but it > is news to me and I thought I would throw it out. > > This gentlemen states that Ford built overdrive toploaders in 1977-1979 and > installed them in vehicles such as the Granada. He says they made third gear > the overdrive gear and flipped the third-fourth shift lever so that shifting > into "third" actually put you into fourth and shifting into "fourth" put you > into overdrive, giving ratios of 3.29, 1.84, 1.00 and .81. He also says the > parts can be retrofitted into older toploaders. > > That looks like a big gap between 1st and 2nd, but maybe the earlier 1st > gears could be used? > > At any rate, I'm just curious if any one has tried this modification on > their Tiger. > > A. C. Tynes > New Orleans > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Tigers mailing list > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > End of Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 326 > ************************************** _________________________________________________________________ More storage. Better anti-spam and antivirus protection. Hotmail makes it simple. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671357 From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Aug 26 12:03:57 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:03:57 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Overdrive toploader References: Message-ID: <4A29D46409784F36A3EFF75AFE8897F3@student2> A.C., Yesterday I posted that when I asked about the overdrive Toploaders years ago, I go mostly negative replies. That is accurate. However, seeing John's post reminded me that he was one who did indicate using it and found the results acceptable, if not favorable. If memory serves me correct John lives in Canada (having long distances to travel) and tows a trailer with his Tiger. The low 1st gear and the overdrive would both be applicable in his case. Tom > Hi AC: > I have been running a 30% OD toploader for a number of years - if you want > more info contact me at: > alittlemoreink at hotmail.com > GodSPEED > Jc From MWood24020 at aol.com Wed Aug 26 12:17:31 2009 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:17:31 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Overdrive toploader Message-ID: By the same measure, there have been many over the years that have been quite happy with C4 automatics in their Tigers...it all comes down to application, preference and use. In a message dated 8/26/2009 11:09:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, atwittsend at verizon.net writes: A.C., Yesterday I posted that when I asked about the overdrive Toploaders years ago, I go mostly negative replies. That is accurate. However, seeing John's post reminded me that he was one who did indicate using it and found the results acceptable, if not favorable. If memory serves me correct John lives in Canada (having long distances to travel) and tows a trailer with his Tiger. The low 1st gear and the overdrive would both be applicable in his case. Tom > Hi AC: > I have been running a 30% OD toploader for a number of years - if you want > more info contact me at: > alittlemoreink at hotmail.com > GodSPEED > Jc You are subscribed as mwood24020 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From vesselofgrace at hotmail.com Wed Aug 26 12:22:16 2009 From: vesselofgrace at hotmail.com (Nathan Johnson) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:22:16 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] overdrive toploaders Message-ID: I have read a lot on this list about the toploader found in Granadas but that link also reffered to an ALUMINUM cased toploader found in Capris and Mustangs from 1979 to 1983. The gear jumps almost seemed managable with a decent freeway .70 OD to make the swap worth the work. Does anyone here know if these would drop into a Tiger? I wonder what kind of weight savings you get with the aluminum case? Nathan Johnson 66' Mark Ia _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what youre up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON: WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Wed Aug 26 12:33:58 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:33:58 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] forum Activation In-Reply-To: <20090826134431.0aa5eac1118f@catmbr.org> References: <20090826134431.0aa5eac1118f@catmbr.org> Message-ID: <4A958016.4080505@SoCal.rr.com> Hi, Good to hear that CAT is activating a "Forum". However, the message was blank. There is a Forum at: http://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/index.php Which was started by Steve Ralsten, sometime in July, and is moderated by "TonytheTiger" (Tony Someone, to be definitive ) Thanks Rick (TigerBlue), and Buck Trippel (Fastest Tiger In Monterey Historics). Thanks to C.A.T. ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com catmbr at catmbr.org wrote: From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Aug 26 12:42:16 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:42:16 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] overdrive toploaders References: Message-ID: <8FEED5EE6ED9466EA14E4057ED35D15C@student2> Nathan, To distill down what I have found: Many feel the 2-3 ratio spread on the overdrives is too great. Some feel the lower 1st gear (3.29 especially) is too low. And some feel the .70 4th gear is too little RPM for hills etc.. For one or all combined reasons the consensus I got was it wasn't a good idea. The Capri/Mustang transmission is called an SROD. The knock on it (ratios aside) was that the shift mechanism wasn't very good. Also, I believed because the shifter was fixed, the location to the hole in the Tiger tunnel wasn't a match (???). In the end it was recommended to either run a wide ratio Toploader of use Tom Hall's kit and run a T-5. As it has been note others (not a majority) have different applications and for them the overdrive works. Tom From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Aug 26 12:56:34 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:56:34 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] overdrive toploaders (more) References: Message-ID: <059E9D4CC5864A8C8FEB48AB1E1F4ACB@student2> Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. >>>I wonder what kind of weight savings you get with the aluminum case?<<< I think if you run the aluminum case it has the wide mounting ears only. And if you are running a 260 or early 289 the stock bellhousing (5 bolt) will only accept the narrow ears. Thus, you need to find a special unibolt (5/6 bolt) bellhousing that is only available in cast iron (?). It could leaves you with the option of either and aluminum case and a cast iron bellhousing, or a cast iron case and an aluminum bellhousing. If you run a later 289 or a 302 it shouldn't be a problem. My understand is that the gears are all swappable between any case. Going from memory here so please correct if needed. Tom From achd73 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 26 13:19:08 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Sheet metal In-Reply-To: <361AD790290A5C489B652911BA4180D321CDA2B6@NASANEXMB16.na.qualcomm.com> Message-ID: <890630.86650.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kent- you will only receive positive feedback concerning Classic Sunbeam. Curt has an excellent reputation. TonytheTiger --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Baker, Kent wrote: > From: Baker, Kent > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Sheet metal > To: "tigers at autox.team.net" > Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 12:14 PM > I am finally getting to the complete > restoration of my MK1a, and am looking > for quality sheet metal replacement parts. Although a > Southern California > car, it has rust on the frame exhaust pass through and a > few pin holes on the > floorboards immediately above. The shop doing the > frame welding contacted > Martell in Ontario, but he is out of the Tiger sheet metal > business. I noticed > Classic Sunbeam Auto Parts has the exhaust frame patches > listed on its parts > sheet, but have no experience (yet) working with > them. Suggestions for > sources? The car is in Reno, Nevada, although I live > in San Diego. > > Kent Baker > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as achd73 at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From sralsten at ca.rr.com Wed Aug 26 14:07:00 2009 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:07:00 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Sheet metal In-Reply-To: <361AD790290A5C489B652911BA4180D321CDA2B6@NASANEXMB16.na.qualcomm.com> Message-ID: <20090826200701.F6958.344245.root@cdptpa-web26-z01> Rick at Sunbeam Speciaties has the exhaust through parts. $240 or so for both sides. I see floor pans come up on ebay from time to time. Steve ---- "Baker wrote: > I am finally getting to the complete restoration of my MK1a, and am looking > for quality sheet metal replacement parts. Although a Southern California > car, it has rust on the frame exhaust pass through and a few pin holes on the > floorboards immediately above. The shop doing the frame welding contacted > Martell in Ontario, but he is out of the Tiger sheet metal business. I noticed > Classic Sunbeam Auto Parts has the exhaust frame patches listed on its parts > sheet, but have no experience (yet) working with them. Suggestions for > sources? The car is in Reno, Nevada, although I live in San Diego. > > Kent Baker > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sralsten at ca.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From mitchell.ed at shaw.ca Wed Aug 26 14:30:06 2009 From: mitchell.ed at shaw.ca (ED MITCHELL) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:30:06 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Overdrive toploader In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have an Alpine conversion with a 302 and a Ford AOD automatic transmission, which is a 3 speed automatic with a "4th gear" overdrive. I had a special kit installed to allow manual shifting in all gears and activates the overdrive with an electric solenoid. On the highway, with a 2.88 rear end, it is doing about 1750 to 1800 rpm at 60mph. Around town, I usually don't engage the O/D, and shift "manually". It has substantial acceleration from zero, isn't stressed at highway speeds. Not for the purists I know, but works great for me. (Hoping to afford a real Tiger some day. Until then, I'm happy) ----- Original Message ----- From: MWood24020 at aol.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:17 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] Overdrive toploader To: atwittsend at verizon.net, tigers at autox.team.net > By the same measure, there have been many over the years that > have been > quite happy with C4 automatics in their Tigers...it all comes > down to > application, preference and use. > > > In a message dated 8/26/2009 11:09:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight > Time, > atwittsend at verizon.net writes: > > A.C., > Yesterday I posted that when I asked about the overdrive > Toploaders years > ago, I go mostly negative replies. That is > accurate. However, seeing > John's post reminded me that he was one who did indicate > using it and > found > the results acceptable, if not favorable. > If memory serves me correct John lives in Canada (having > long distances to > travel) and tows a trailer with his Tiger. The low 1st > gear and the > overdrive would both be applicable in his case. > Tom > > > Hi AC: > > I have been running a 30% OD toploader for a number of years - > if you > want > > more info contact me at: > > alittlemoreink at hotmail.com > > GodSPEED > > Jc > You are subscribed as mwood24020 at aol.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mitchell.ed at shaw.ca > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Wed Aug 26 14:51:05 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:51:05 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] overdrive toploaders In-Reply-To: <8FEED5EE6ED9466EA14E4057ED35D15C@student2> References: <8FEED5EE6ED9466EA14E4057ED35D15C@student2> Message-ID: <4A95A039.7040803@SoCal.rr.com> Tigers, and Tom, I swapped out my Mk I Top Loader from the "close ratio" to the Mk II "wide ratio" gearbox. A direct bolt-in, but does need a new helical gear to match the stock Mk I / IA speedo ratio. (Not the cable end gear, but the one that mates to it "inside" the box. You CAN adjust the speedo to give correct speed, but the odometer will be off unless "unobtanium" speedo gears (or a Mk II speedo) are used. With the stock 2.88's the gearbox seems correctly geared for good performance throughout the range, and feels MUCH better in performance spacing. A direct comparison can be seen as a default in Bob Hokanson's "Excel Transmission Calculator " link. Even includes links to download a free Excel Reader. This even includes a T-5 speed, set up with stock ratios. For instance, with stock 2.88 rear axle, 23.25 inch tire diameter (stock 13" tires), at 5,000 rpm, here are the resulting comparisons: First Gear 52 mph "close", and 43 mph "wide" (difference 9 mph earlier (quicker off the line) Second Gear 71 mph "close", and 62 mph "wide" (difference 9 mph earlier) Third Gear 93 mph "close", and 88 mph "wide" (difference 5 mph earlier) Fourth Gear 120 mph "close, and 120 mph "wide" (difference 0 mph) Change parameters for non-stock items. Net result is shift points are at reasonable speeds, but always a bit earlier shift points. This means quicker acceleration, while maintaining the 1:1 top gear results. (still a bit high at cruising speeds 72 mph at 3,000 rpm for either.) This would drop to 2400 rpm with an 0.8 fifth 5-spd (JBA 1352-000-204 hard to obtain), as almost all have 0.63 or 0.68) - but watch those in between shift points. With stock 2.88:1 rear end gears. A change would influence results shown. The 0.80 fifth (JBA-1352-000-202) would result in 72 mph at 2400 rpm. The 0.63 fifth (Mustang 5 spd) would result in 72 mph at 2000 rpm. (LOW) The 0.68 fifth (Motorsport 5 spd) would result in 72 mph at 2400 rpm. The 0.68 fifth (JBA 1352-000-204) would result in 72 mph at 2400 rpm. Get the "Calculator", and the free Excel Reader if you need it. As the man says: "You pay your money, and you gets your choice!" Tiger List Member Sandy Ganz has put up an "On-Line Tire Size and Gear Calculator" http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/GearCalc.html As well as many other "Calculators" of interest to the sporting community. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Thomas Witt wrote: > Nathan, > To distill down what I have found: > Many feel the 2-3 ratio spread on the overdrives is too great. > Some feel the lower 1st gear (3.29 especially) is too low. > And some feel the .70 4th gear is too little RPM for hills etc.. > > For one or all combined reasons the consensus I got was it wasn't a > good idea. The Capri/Mustang transmission is called an SROD. The > knock on it (ratios aside) was that the shift mechanism wasn't very > good. Also, I believed because the shifter was fixed, the location to > the hole in the Tiger tunnel wasn't a match (???). > In the end it was recommended to either run a wide ratio Toploader of > use Tom Hall's kit and run a T-5. > As it has been note others (not a majority) have different > applications and for them the overdrive works. > Tom _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as slaifman at socal.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From PhastPhill at aol.com Wed Aug 26 16:42:07 2009 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:42:07 EDT Subject: [Tigers] LSD ( Posi ) for tiger Message-ID: This winters planned project is removing my rear end and addressing a couple of things.My car has weld on LAT bars and it looks like it was done back in the day with a stick welder.....seems to hold but very ugly looking. Maybe change to bolt on. Also while there I would like to have a good look at the front spring mounts. And I want to install a Posi, Auburn gear sells a unit that is less than $300 dollars at an online company called Just Differentials. Anyone used these? Or does Team Tiger still do posi's for tigers? I would like to use them if they are still around. Could someone pass on contact info and any other tips ideas etc?.....thanks.....cheers ....phil From spook01 at comcast.net Wed Aug 26 17:19:58 2009 From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:19:58 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] overdrive toploaders (more) References: <059E9D4CC5864A8C8FEB48AB1E1F4ACB@student2> Message-ID: <85783F2656AC47B79304D1B01426C3BE@yourpd3mh0abgs> lakewood had a bell housing that works with both. and, you get to keep your feet if the clutch blows. Best, Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Witt" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] overdrive toploaders (more) > Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. > >>>>I wonder what kind of weight savings you get with the aluminum case?<<< > > I think if you run the aluminum case it has the wide mounting ears only. > And if you are running a 260 or early 289 the stock bellhousing (5 bolt) > will only accept the narrow ears. Thus, you need to find a special > unibolt (5/6 bolt) bellhousing that is only available in cast iron (?). > It could leaves you with the option of either and aluminum case and a cast > iron bellhousing, or a cast iron case and an aluminum bellhousing. If you > run a later 289 or a 302 it shouldn't be a problem. > My understand is that the gears are all swappable between any case. > > Going from memory here so please correct if needed. > Tom _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as spook01 at comcast.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Aug 26 17:20:24 2009 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] overdrive toploaders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <713541.87259.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Check the David Kee toploader site, he as the cases in either aluminum or cast iron. He may have the info on it or worth a call. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Nathan Johnson To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:22:16 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] overdrive toploaders I have read a lot on this list about the toploader found in Granadas but that link also reffered to an ALUMINUM cased toploader found in Capris and Mustangs from 1979 to 1983. The gear jumps almost seemed managable with a decent freeway .70 OD to make the swap worth the work. Does anyone here know if these would drop into a Tiger? I wonder what kind of weight savings you get with the aluminum case? Nathan Johnson 66' Mark Ia _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what youre up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON: WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From spook01 at comcast.net Wed Aug 26 17:20:58 2009 From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:20:58 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Overdrive toploader References: Message-ID: <8D74FCC02ADC4D3FB5FB4B795CA3E636@yourpd3mh0abgs> how tough is a c4 install? Best, Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Overdrive toploader > By the same measure, there have been many over the years that have been > quite happy with C4 automatics in their Tigers...it all comes down to > application, preference and use. > > > In a message dated 8/26/2009 11:09:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > atwittsend at verizon.net writes: > > A.C., > Yesterday I posted that when I asked about the overdrive Toploaders years > ago, I go mostly negative replies. That is accurate. However, seeing > John's post reminded me that he was one who did indicate using it and > found > the results acceptable, if not favorable. > If memory serves me correct John lives in Canada (having long distances > to > travel) and tows a trailer with his Tiger. The low 1st gear and the > overdrive would both be applicable in his case. > Tom > >> Hi AC: >> I have been running a 30% OD toploader for a number of years - if you > want >> more info contact me at: >> alittlemoreink at hotmail.com >> GodSPEED >> Jc > You are subscribed as mwood24020 at aol.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as spook01 at comcast.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From mwood24020 at aol.com Wed Aug 26 17:28:43 2009 From: mwood24020 at aol.com (mwood24020 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 23:28:43 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Overdrive toploader Message-ID: <1740046847-1251329263-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-677332750-@bxe1011.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I have no idea. That's not something that I would consider...along with OD 4spd transmissions ;-) ------Original Message------ From: spook01 Sender: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net To: MWood24020 at aol.com To: atwittsend at verizon.net To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Aug 26, 2009 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Overdrive toploader how tough is a c4 install? Best, Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Overdrive toploader > By the same measure, there have been many over the years that have been > quite happy with C4 automatics in their Tigers...it all comes down to > application, preference and use. > > > In a message dated 8/26/2009 11:09:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > atwittsend at verizon.net writes: > > A.C., > Yesterday I posted that when I asked about the overdrive Toploaders years > ago, I go mostly negative replies. That is accurate. However, seeing > John's post reminded me that he was one who did indicate using it and > found > the results acceptable, if not favorable. > If memory serves me correct John lives in Canada (having long distances > to > travel) and tows a trailer with his Tiger. The low 1st gear and the > overdrive would both be applicable in his case. > Tom > >> Hi AC: >> I have been running a 30% OD toploader for a number of years - if you > want >> more info contact me at: >> alittlemoreink at hotmail.com >> GodSPEED >> Jc > You are subscribed as mwood24020 at aol.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as spook01 at comcast.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as mwood24020 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Aug 26 17:28:19 2009 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] LSD ( Posi ) for tiger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <474230.6816.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dana 44 posi's are plentifully but most don't have the correct spline count for use in the tiger. I think you can find them on ebay with the correct spline count (10 I think). You can also go the whole 9 yards and get new axles with the more common spline count and use most any Dana44 diff, Sunbeam Specialties has the axles and the rest of the parts as needed. Watch out also for the diff size some are for gears of a specific ratio on up (or down). So you might have one carrier for 3.54 and lower numbers, etc. I think old Jag's as well as some Jeeps/IH have the right spline count but I would expect a rebuild on something that is that old. HTH Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "PhastPhill at aol.com" To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 3:42:07 PM Subject: [Tigers] LSD ( Posi ) for tiger This winters planned project is removing my rear end and addressing a couple of things.My car has weld on LAT bars and it looks like it was done back in the day with a stick welder.....seems to hold but very ugly looking. Maybe change to bolt on. Also while there I would like to have a good look at the front spring mounts. And I want to install a Posi, Auburn gear sells a unit that is less than $300 dollars at an online company called Just Differentials. Anyone used these? Or does Team Tiger still do posi's for tigers? I would like to use them if they are still around. Could someone pass on contact info and any other tips ideas etc?.....thanks.....cheers ....phil _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From maliburevue at yahoo.com Wed Aug 26 17:52:44 2009 From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] LSD ( Posi ) for tiger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <136743.77320.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Phil, I can supply you with the correct LAT positraction unit for your Tiger without having to change your axles. I rebuild them with brand new factory clutch kits. I have rebuilt and sold dozens of them and can give you references. Gary From jeffers at mwt.net Wed Aug 26 18:29:09 2009 From: jeffers at mwt.net (Jeffers) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:29:09 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Overdrive toploader Message-ID: <4A95D355.1080100@mwt.net> I had one of those Ford built overdrive toploaders stored in my garage from a 1977 Mercury Monarch that I drove in the early 1990s. When this subject was last brought up on the list, I took John Crawly's offer for more information. After talking to John, I decided to try it. I bought a toploader rebuild kit and using a shop manual, I first rebuilt the transmission. While I had it apart, I compared the parts to a Tiger transmission to see if I could just swap gears and keep the Tiger case, like the internet article below stated. It did not look possible to me. The overdrive gears did not look like they would fit on the Tiger tailshaft and there was a small bump out in the case to allow for a larger diameter gear in the overdrive. Since this was my first time inside a transmission, I did not try swapping parts. The shifter was my biggest problem. John used a Ford linkage and I used a Hurst unit. I had to make an adapter plate to locate the Hurst linkage in the proper location. The overdrive transmission is almost 2 inches shorter than the Tigers, so I had a new driveshaft built. Otherwise it all bolted in just like stock. How do I like it? As others have stated, there is a gap between 1^st and 2nd. If most of my driving was in town, I may not like it as much. But then, why bother with overdrive? As it is, most of my time is on the highway and I love the overdrive. If anyone would like more information, please ask. Tom Jeffers I happened to run across an interesting statement at http://www.5speeds.com/toploader.html. This has probably been common knowledge on the list for many years, but it is news to me and I thought I would throw it out. This gentlemen states that Ford built overdrive toploaders in 1977-1979 and installed them in vehicles such as the Granada. He says they made third gear the overdrive gear and flipped the third-fourth shift lever so that shifting into "third" actually put you into fourth and shifting into "fourth" put you into overdrive, giving ratios of 3.29, 1.84, 1.00 and .81. He also says the parts can be retrofitted into older toploaders. That looks like a big gap between 1st and 2nd, but maybe the earlier 1st gears could be used? At any rate, I'm just curious if any one has tried this modification on their Tiger. A. C. Tynes New Orleans From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Wed Aug 26 18:47:19 2009 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:47:19 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] jeep trans Message-ID: <001201ca26af$ef36d1c0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4> Hi Gang, I must be missing something here!! Where is the OD?? The numbers. ratios, stated still end up 1 to 1 in 4th..Clyde From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Wed Aug 26 19:00:00 2009 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:00:00 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Capri Trans Message-ID: <002f01ca26b1$b4228af0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4> Hi Listers, Had a v-6 Capri with this trans, it wasn't very strong, rpl'd it twice in less than 100K miles, Clyde From v8tracker at gmail.com Wed Aug 26 19:05:32 2009 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:05:32 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Overdrive toploader follow-up Message-ID: <95AF74A09982410284EBA4B118B122E3@DellD4700> Group, Thanks for all the interesting replies. I am sorry, though, that I didn't make it clearer that I was merely curious. The last toploader I owned was in the Tiger I sold in 1967. If I ever become lucky enough to get another Tiger, I fully expect to convert it to a T5. My Mustang T5 has over 300,000 miles with no problems and my Geo Tracker is getting a T5 along with its 302. I won't make my birthday next week, but the Tracker should be finished in time to be my 65th Christmas present to myself. Again, thanks for all the info. A. C. Tynes New Orleans From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Wed Aug 26 21:04:56 2009 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:04:56 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Wiper wiring Message-ID: <1A25C3782A654CB79E151D3CB6886FB2@JEPHome> I need help with the wiring for the wipers, and the wiring diagram is of minimal use. The diagram shows four wires on the wiper motor: a green wire on terminal 1, a red & lt. green wire on terminal 2, a brown & lt. green wire on terminal 3, and a ground. It shows the switch with two unlabeled terminal plus a ground. Now here is the problem. I have three wires bundled together coming off the motor - one is sort of red, one is sort of brown, and one is sort of green. I plugged the sort of red wire into the red/lt. green, the sort of green into the green, and the sort of brown into the brown/lt. green. The brown/lt. green and red/lt. green wires are plugged into the grounded switch although I'm not sure which terminals they should be attached to. The wipers come on the minute I turn on the ignition and remain on no matter what the switch setting. In fact, the wipers remained on even after unplugging the red/lt. green wire from the switch! I had to unplug the green wire at the motor to kill the wipers. Needless to say, I've got it wired up wrong and need help. BTW, is this a one-speed or two-speed wiper. Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Aug 26 21:38:19 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 23:38:19 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Wiper wiring In-Reply-To: <1A25C3782A654CB79E151D3CB6886FB2@JEPHome> Message-ID: Jim Try Red wire to switch terminal #1 and Brown wire to #4, ground wire on #6. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James E. Pickard Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:05 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Wiper wiring I need help with the wiring for the wipers, and the wiring diagram is of minimal use. The diagram shows four wires on the wiper motor: a green wire on terminal 1, a red & lt. green wire on terminal 2, a brown & lt. green wire on terminal 3, and a ground. It shows the switch with two unlabeled terminal plus a ground. Now here is the problem. I have three wires bundled together coming off the motor - one is sort of red, one is sort of brown, and one is sort of green. I plugged the sort of red wire into the red/lt. green, the sort of green into the green, and the sort of brown into the brown/lt. green. The brown/lt. green and red/lt. green wires are plugged into the grounded switch although I'm not sure which terminals they should be attached to. The wipers come on the minute I turn on the ignition and remain on no matter what the switch setting. In fact, the wipers remained on even after unplugging the red/lt. green wire from the switch! I had to unplug the green wire at the motor to kill the wipers. Needless to say, I've got it wired up wrong and need help. BTW, is this a one-speed or two-speed wiper. Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.66/2325 - Release Date: 08/25/09 18:07:00 From atwittsend at verizon.net Thu Aug 27 00:26:44 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 23:26:44 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] jeep trans References: <001201ca26af$ef36d1c0$0201a8c0@chesapeake4> Message-ID: Clyde, You are correct, the Jeep trans ratio in 4th is still 1 to 1. However, we need to consider the third factor in the drivetrain ratios. That being the tire circumference. The fact is one should consider RPM per tire rotation so the WHOLE driveline system is factored in. That way you are looking at the true final output. As I said you get an "equivalent" overdrive IF you used taller tires. And with the Jeep trans you could do that because a taller tire would bring the 3.01 1st gear on the Jeep trans near the 2.78 1st gear of a wide ratio Toploader. The inverse is also true. One could run a shorter tire with an overdrive T-5 and effectively wipe out the advantage of the overdrive. Of course this taller/shorter tire argument needs to be based around a standard. In my number crunching I use the standard size tire that originally came on the Tiger. I always found it humorous when friends would say they were going to run 4:11 gears in their muscle car - with 50 series tires. Why? Well, isn't that what the drag cars run (they would say)? I guess they never considered how tall a race slick the drag car ran. Tom > Hi Gang, I must be missing something here!! Where is the OD?? The > numbers. > ratios, stated still end up 1 to 1 in 4th..Clyde From robin02 at mindspring.com Thu Aug 27 10:42:52 2009 From: robin02 at mindspring.com (robin02 at mindspring.com) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:42:52 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Sheet metal Message-ID: <25070867.1251391372235.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> KEnt, I spoke to Bob Martel about five years ago when he was moving away from the Sunbeam fabrication efforts. HE was selling some things he still had already made but was not doing any more. It was Bob that told me that Victoria British had a good supplier for body panels from ENgland and the fit was good. LArry Paulick later confirmed this and I bought ten body panels for my car; front and back of each wheel well and the outer rocker panels. THe inner rocker panels were fabricated by my body, paint man. THe fit was good and my car turned out without any evidence of patch panels. At the time, neither Rick not Curt could fill the order. RObin Young ---Original Message----- >From: "Baker, Kent" >Sent: Aug 26, 2009 1:14 PM >To: "tigers at autox.team.net" >Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Sheet metal > >I am finally getting to the complete restoration of my MK1a, and am looking >for quality sheet metal replacement parts. Although a Southern California >car, it has rust on the frame exhaust pass through and a few pin holes on the >floorboards immediately above. The shop doing the frame welding contacted >Martell in Ontario, but he is out of the Tiger sheet metal business. I noticed >Classic Sunbeam Auto Parts has the exhaust frame patches listed on its parts >sheet, but have no experience (yet) working with them. Suggestions for >sources? The car is in Reno, Nevada, although I live in San Diego. > >Kent Baker From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Thu Aug 27 10:56:27 2009 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:56:27 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Sheet metal In-Reply-To: <25070867.1251391372235.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <25070867.1251391372235.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001ca2737$51d81280$f5883780$@rr.com> I called Bob recently to inquire about a steel LAT hood. He told me is so many words that I did not have enough money for him to make me one. I recently replaced my front valance with a VB unit. It was a good fit. HTH's Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of robin02 at mindspring.com Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:43 To: Baker,Kent; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Sheet metal KEnt, I spoke to Bob Martel about five years ago when he was moving away from the Sunbeam fabrication efforts. HE was selling some things he still had already made but was not doing any more. It was Bob that told me that Victoria British had a good supplier for body panels from ENgland and the fit was good. LArry Paulick later confirmed this and I bought ten body panels for my car; front and back of each wheel well and the outer rocker panels. THe inner rocker panels were fabricated by my body, paint man. THe fit was good and my car turned out without any evidence of patch panels. At the time, neither Rick not Curt could fill the order. RObin Young ---Original Message----- >From: "Baker, Kent" >Sent: Aug 26, 2009 1:14 PM >To: "tigers at autox.team.net" >Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Sheet metal > >I am finally getting to the complete restoration of my MK1a, and am looking >for quality sheet metal replacement parts. Although a Southern California >car, it has rust on the frame exhaust pass through and a few pin holes on the >floorboards immediately above. The shop doing the frame welding contacted >Martell in Ontario, but he is out of the Tiger sheet metal business. I noticed >Classic Sunbeam Auto Parts has the exhaust frame patches listed on its parts >sheet, but have no experience (yet) working with them. Suggestions for >sources? The car is in Reno, Nevada, although I live in San Diego. > >Kent Baker You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Thu Aug 27 11:46:15 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:46:15 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] LSD ( Posi ) for tiger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A96C667.3000403@SoCal.rr.com> Phil, and Tigers, The original rear axle was made by Dana's gear unit (Salisbury) in England. The one used in a some Jaguar Sedans uses the same ring gear / bolt size and circle, so you don't have to get the the Ring and Pinion set from US cars that are not 2.88:1. (Providing you find a non-abused one in a "Slightly, but carefully used, Junque Shoppe".) It is a direct bolt-in replacement, but setting up the clearances and pre-loads is a job for a pro with a set-up for adjusting the shims. Likely a 4 wheel drive shop is equipped, and familiar with this process. The hub/axles must be removed from the original, and that isn't easy. I'd give my personal experiences, but the nice Jag unit is still sitting in the box it came in. See Dan Walters article "Ultimate Tiger Hub Puller": http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/WaltersPuller/rt-WaltersHubPuller1.asp Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com PhastPhill at aol.com wrote: > This winters planned project is removing my rear end and addressing a > couple of things.My car has weld on LAT bars and it looks like it was done back > in the day with a stick welder.....seems to hold but very ugly looking. > Maybe change to bolt on. Also while there I would like to have a good look at > the front spring mounts. And I want to install a Posi, Auburn gear sells a > unit that is less than $300 dollars at an online company called Just > Differentials. Anyone used these? Or does Team Tiger still do posi's for tigers? > I would like to use them if they are still around. Could someone pass on > contact info and any other tips ideas etc?.....thanks.....cheers ....phil From Rollright at aol.com Thu Aug 27 12:25:36 2009 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:25:36 EDT Subject: [Tigers] 13" tires again Message-ID: Hello, Went to a "cruise" event in Danvers, Mass last night, and there were 3 Tigers and an Alpine there. Quite a showing ! One of the attendees, Gary Fish was out today in his Tiger and in dodging a truck, blew a tire. He has Yokohama on, and found out from Tire Rack that Yoko. no longer makes 13", and that they only have 2 manufacturers for 13" A few weeks ago, someone mentioned a source/search engine for finding 13" tires and was very successful with it. Can someone remember that data and let me know, please? Best, Jim Armstrong From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Thu Aug 27 13:04:03 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:04:03 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Wiper wiring In-Reply-To: <1A25C3782A654CB79E151D3CB6886FB2@JEPHome> References: <1A25C3782A654CB79E151D3CB6886FB2@JEPHome> Message-ID: <4A96D8A3.8080001@SoCal.rr.com> Jim, The Mk I wiring diagram on TigersUnited.com (thanks to Bill Gegg) shows the color coded wiring for both the Mk I and Mk II. Both diagrams are the same for the wiper. It is intended for two speed operation. Stop, Stop, and stop slowly. They show the Screen Wiper switch (dashboard) to have two output wires. One "Brown" going to the #3 wiper terminal, and one "Tan" going to the #2 wiper terminal. There is a black wire shown on terminal "E", which stands for "Earth", or "Ground", and a Green wire going from terminal #4 of the fuses terminal as "+" (or power). This is connected to the starter solenoid switch and thence to the battery. It is a 2 speed wiper. In Lucas terms this means "stop" and "slow". http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/tt-images/MKIBIGwiring.jpg My MG-TD had a Lucas wiper mounted on the top of the folding windscreen frame, with switches on the unit. It, too had two speeds. Two "stop" positions, and one manual operation. Of course, after one bump, "manual" is the only one that really works (unless you have to shift in the rain). In no case are wires doubled on any Terminal, but Terminal 1 (green) continues through a splice to other units. Since it rarely rains here, I only change the blades when the smog has eaten away the rubber blade. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com James E. Pickard wrote: > I need help with the wiring for the wipers, and the wiring diagram is of > minimal use. The diagram shows four wires on the wiper motor: a green wire on > terminal 1, a red & lt. green wire on terminal 2, a brown & lt. green wire on > terminal 3, and a ground. It shows the switch with two unlabeled terminal > plus a ground. > > Now here is the problem. I have three wires bundled together coming off the > motor - one is sort of red, one is sort of brown, and one is sort of green. I > plugged the sort of red wire into the red/lt. green, the sort of green into > the green, and the sort of brown into the brown/lt. green. The brown/lt. > green and red/lt. green wires are plugged into the grounded switch although > I'm not sure which terminals they should be attached to. > > The wipers come on the minute I turn on the ignition and remain on no matter > what the switch setting. In fact, the wipers remained on even after > unplugging the red/lt. green wire from the switch! I had to unplug the green > wire at the motor to kill the wipers. Needless to say, I've got it wired up > wrong and need help. > > BTW, is this a one-speed or two-speed wiper. > > Thanks. > > Jim Pickard > B9473298 ('65 Tiger) > AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold > 2003 Mini Cooper > Lafayette, LA > _______________________________________________ From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Thu Aug 27 13:25:41 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:25:41 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 13" tires again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A96DDB5.7080708@SoCal.rr.com> Jim, I purchased a set of Michelin "X" 185-70-13 radial steel belted tires from "Costco". It appears to have the same characteristics as my Michelin X tires on my 50's-60's British cars. And they were reasonably priced. Wear forever (unless you hit a curb too fast). Probably not the grip of current performance tires. And, if you want to make smoke circles, try another brand. No idea whether Costco still carries this tire. The web site does list Michelin, but not 13". I have heard it was custom made for them. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Rollright at aol.com wrote: > Hello, > > Went to a "cruise" event in Danvers, Mass last night, and there were 3 > Tigers and an Alpine there. Quite a showing ! > > One of the attendees, Gary Fish was out today in his Tiger and in dodging a > truck, blew a tire. He has Yokohama on, and found out from Tire Rack that > Yoko. no longer makes 13", and that they only have 2 manufacturers for 13" > > A few weeks ago, someone mentioned a source/search engine for finding 13" > tires and was very successful with it. Can someone remember that data and > let me know, please? > > Best, > > Jim Armstrong From marcsmall at comcast.net Thu Aug 27 13:51:29 2009 From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:51:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 13" tires again In-Reply-To: <4A96DDB5.7080708@SoCal.rr.com> References: <4A96DDB5.7080708@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <20090827195135.0F5C8187883@autox.team.net> At 03:25 PM 8/27/2009, Steve Laifman wrote: >Jim, > >I purchased a set of Michelin "X" 185-70-13 radial steel belted tires >from "Costco". It appears to have the same characteristics as my >Michelin X tires on my 50's-60's British cars. And they were reasonably >priced. Wear forever (unless you hit a curb too fast). > >Probably not the grip of current performance tires. And, if you want to >make smoke circles, try another brand. > >No idea whether Costco still carries this tire. The web site does list >Michelin, but not 13". I have heard it was custom made for them. The Michelin web site lists a number of 13" tires. All of the tires stores in this neck of the woods (Richmond VA) seem to stock 13" tires by various manufacturers. Yes, these are not going to be cutting-edge high-performance designs, but they will fit your rims! Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Thu Aug 27 14:20:29 2009 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:20:29 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] 13" tires again In-Reply-To: <20090827195135.0F5C8187883@autox.team.net> References: <4A96DDB5.7080708@SoCal.rr.com> <20090827195135.0F5C8187883@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <39a841b0908271320h71f7ca9bjeb6bb3fe993c3bb0@mail.gmail.com> i guess i never really understood the difficulty in getting 13" tyres. for performance tyres, i'm not sure whats available in the US but in the UK, it is easy to get: 1) kumho ecsta, soft, medium or hard compound 185/70 13 road legal track tyres 2) toyo r888 soft or medium compound 205/60 13 road legal track tyres i've used both (although not in that size) and they are excellent modern tyres and readily available with recent manufacture dates. there are many many varieties of everyday and hard wearing tyres in 13" here. my point is that there is no sign that 13" tyres are on the decline from a manufacturing perspective even if they are not marketed in the US. by contrast, the correct metric sized tyres for the renault 5 turbo are special order only and cost about $500 each when there are any available! absolutely no sign of that coming for tigers - at that price you could buy tyres here and have them shipped over by air! On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Marc James Small wrote: > At 03:25 PM 8/27/2009, Steve Laifman wrote: > >Jim, > > > >I purchased a set of Michelin "X" 185-70-13 radial steel belted tires > >from "Costco". It appears to have the same characteristics as my > >Michelin X tires on my 50's-60's British cars. And they were reasonably > >priced. Wear forever (unless you hit a curb too fast). > > > >Probably not the grip of current performance tires. And, if you want to > >make smoke circles, try another brand. > > > >No idea whether Costco still carries this tire. The web site does list > >Michelin, but not 13". I have heard it was custom made for them. > > The Michelin web site lists a number of 13" > tires. All of the tires stores in this neck of > the woods (Richmond VA) seem to stock 13" tires > by various manufacturers. Yes, these are not > going to be cutting-edge high-performance designs, but they will fit your > rims! > > Marc > > > msmall at aya.yale.edu > Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Thu Aug 27 14:39:28 2009 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:39:28 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] One piece axle shaft....will these work? In-Reply-To: <39a841b0908271320h71f7ca9bjeb6bb3fe993c3bb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090827203928.XCTML.601468.root@hrndva-web06-z01> http://www.thejeep.com/superior/ Will these Jeep model 20 one piece axle shafts work on a Tiger? TIA! Duke B382002037 From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk Thu Aug 27 14:42:09 2009 From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:42:09 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Sheet metal In-Reply-To: <000001ca2737$51d81280$f5883780$@rr.com> References: <25070867.1251391372235.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <000001ca2737$51d81280$f5883780$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1ndg4pAh+ulKFwe1@v8tiger.demon.co.uk> Hi all, Randy Willett also has high quality repair sections sent out from the UK which may well be the same as the ones at VB. I have used the same panels in the UK on several cars very successfully. randy willett regards Jeff In message <000001ca2737$51d81280$f5883780$@rr.com>, Samouce's writes >I called Bob recently to inquire about a steel LAT hood. He told me is so >many words that I did not have enough money for him to make me one. > >I recently replaced my front valance with a VB unit. It was a good fit. > >HTH's >Duke >B382002037 > >-----Original Message----- >From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] >On Behalf Of robin02 at mindspring.com >Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:43 >To: Baker,Kent; tigers at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Sheet metal > >KEnt, I spoke to Bob Martel about five years ago when he was moving away >from the Sunbeam fabrication efforts. HE was selling some things he still >had already made but was not doing any more. It was Bob that told me that >Victoria British had a good supplier for body panels from ENgland and the >fit was good. LArry Paulick later confirmed this and I bought ten body >panels for my car; front and back of each wheel well and the outer rocker >panels. THe inner rocker panels were fabricated by my body, paint man. THe >fit was good and my car turned out without any evidence of patch panels. At >the time, neither Rick not Curt could fill the order. RObin Young > >---Original Message----- >>From: "Baker, Kent" >>Sent: Aug 26, 2009 1:14 PM >>To: "tigers at autox.team.net" >>Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Sheet metal >> >>I am finally getting to the complete restoration of my MK1a, and am looking >>for quality sheet metal replacement parts. Although a Southern California >>car, it has rust on the frame exhaust pass through and a few pin holes on >the >>floorboards immediately above. The shop doing the frame welding contacted >>Martell in Ontario, but he is out of the Tiger sheet metal business. I >noticed >>Classic Sunbeam Auto Parts has the exhaust frame patches listed on its >parts >>sheet, but have no experience (yet) working with them. Suggestions for >>sources? The car is in Reno, Nevada, although I live in San Diego. >> >>Kent Baker >You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive > -- Jeff Howarth From PhastPhill at aol.com Thu Aug 27 15:10:42 2009 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:10:42 EDT Subject: [Tigers] 13" tires again Message-ID: I use Sumitomo 203-13 HTR 200 and they are a fairly modern style tire. Tire Rack has them for about $ 50.00 each and I'm happy with them on the street. From PhastPhill at aol.com Thu Aug 27 15:12:47 2009 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:12:47 EDT Subject: [Tigers] One piece axle shaft....will these work? Message-ID: They have to be 19 spline to work From mmichels at socal.rr.com Thu Aug 27 16:23:59 2009 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:23:59 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Sheet metal References: <25070867.1251391372235.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <000001ca2737$51d81280$f5883780$@rr.com> Message-ID: <102BC4A7F27C4419ACED6EA2F3048E97@delldimension> I got the same treatment from Martel a few years ago. Apparently he felt some Sunbeam owner took advantage of him (no idea how or who) and he wants nothing to do with anything related to Sunbeams and let me know it in very colorful terms. My advice: don't bother with him. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samouce's" To: ; "'Baker,Kent'" ; Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Sheet metal >I called Bob recently to inquire about a steel LAT hood. He told me is so > many words that I did not have enough money for him to make me one. > > I recently replaced my front valance with a VB unit. It was a good fit. > > HTH's > Duke > B382002037 > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of robin02 at mindspring.com > Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:43 > To: Baker,Kent; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Sheet metal > > KEnt, I spoke to Bob Martel about five years ago when he was moving away > from the Sunbeam fabrication efforts. HE was selling some things he still > had already made but was not doing any more. It was Bob that told me that > Victoria British had a good supplier for body panels from ENgland and the > fit was good. LArry Paulick later confirmed this and I bought ten body > panels for my car; front and back of each wheel well and the outer rocker > panels. THe inner rocker panels were fabricated by my body, paint man. > THe > fit was good and my car turned out without any evidence of patch panels. > At > the time, neither Rick not Curt could fill the order. RObin Young > > ---Original Message----- >>From: "Baker, Kent" >>Sent: Aug 26, 2009 1:14 PM >>To: "tigers at autox.team.net" >>Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Sheet metal >> >>I am finally getting to the complete restoration of my MK1a, and am >>looking >>for quality sheet metal replacement parts. Although a Southern California >>car, it has rust on the frame exhaust pass through and a few pin holes on > the >>floorboards immediately above. The shop doing the frame welding contacted >>Martell in Ontario, but he is out of the Tiger sheet metal business. I > noticed >>Classic Sunbeam Auto Parts has the exhaust frame patches listed on its > parts >>sheet, but have no experience (yet) working with them. Suggestions for >>sources? The car is in Reno, Nevada, although I live in San Diego. >> >>Kent Baker > You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mmichels at socal.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From sganz at pacbell.net Thu Aug 27 16:30:24 2009 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Headlight Flasher In-Reply-To: <373700592B2546E9B11E897B81D2B01F@BillPC> References: <373700592B2546E9B11E897B81D2B01F@BillPC> Message-ID: <659398.74586.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just picked up a Lucas 34721 from ebay for about 60 bucks. I have not looked at the car to see if it fits, but looks good... Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories To: Tigers Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 11:33:10 AM Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Headlight Flasher Thanks much to everyone for supplying information on this. To summarize the comments, CAT Shop Notes and as a result of further research on my part, it appears that all Tiger and Alpine columns are the same. Headlight flashers were on European cars but not generally on US cars but perhaps on some. There are/were quite a few of these switches around because several people have retrofitted them, often to provide horn capability when the steering wheel was changed for an after market item. At least on my car (Mk1 2703) the stock switch, without the flasher feature, has Lucas P/N 34720B. The Lucas model number for everthing is 85SA The following P/Ns will fit directly: 34719, 34721, 34981 They have varying letter suffixes to indicate mod level. P/N 35557 is probably Volvo and fits a smaller diameter column, but can be adapted to Tiger/Aplines by making custom brackets. Per a 1967 Lucas catalogue for Rootes vehicles (Hillman, Humber, Singer,Sunbeam, Commer and Karrier) P/Ns 35558, 35612, 35690 and 35691 also have combination indicators and flashers but their usability on Tigers is unknown. Similar switches were fitted to other cars including Volvo and Rover. There is a rumor that the switch for an MGB, Sprite, Midget (Moss Motors P/N 141-770) can be fitted/adapted? to the Tiger and is available new at $79.95. Bill Rogers _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From thorlp at hotmail.com Thu Aug 27 16:59:42 2009 From: thorlp at hotmail.com (stan gorski) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:59:42 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Sheet metal In-Reply-To: <1ndg4pAh+ulKFwe1@v8tiger.demon.co.uk> References: <25070867.1251391372235.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <000001ca2737$51d81280$f5883780$@rr.com> <1ndg4pAh+ulKFwe1@v8tiger.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: I have had the same experience with Randy, actually had the panels made to the height I needed. A+ > Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:42:09 +0100 > To: wsamouce at kc.rr.com > From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk > CC: willett581 at msn.com; kentb at qualcomm.com; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Sheet metal > > Hi all, > > > Randy Willett also has high quality repair sections sent out from the UK > which may well be the same as the ones at VB. > > I have used the same panels in the UK on several cars very successfully. > > randy willett > > > regards > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In message <000001ca2737$51d81280$f5883780$@rr.com>, Samouce's > writes >>I called Bob recently to inquire about a steel LAT hood. He told me is so >>many words that I did not have enough money for him to make me one. >> >>I recently replaced my front valance with a VB unit. It was a good fit. >> >>HTH's >>Duke >>B382002037 >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] >>On Behalf Of robin02 at mindspring.com >>Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:43 >>To: Baker,Kent; tigers at autox.team.net >>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Sheet metal >> >>KEnt, I spoke to Bob Martel about five years ago when he was moving away >>from the Sunbeam fabrication efforts. HE was selling some things he still >>had already made but was not doing any more. It was Bob that told me that >>Victoria British had a good supplier for body panels from ENgland and the >>fit was good. LArry Paulick later confirmed this and I bought ten body >>panels for my car; front and back of each wheel well and the outer rocker >>panels. THe inner rocker panels were fabricated by my body, paint man. THe >>fit was good and my car turned out without any evidence of patch panels. At >>the time, neither Rick not Curt could fill the order. RObin Young >> >>---Original Message----- >>>From: "Baker, Kent" >>>Sent: Aug 26, 2009 1:14 PM >>>To: "tigers at autox.team.net" >>>Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Sheet metal >>> >>>I am finally getting to the complete restoration of my MK1a, and am looking >>>for quality sheet metal replacement parts. Although a Southern California >>>car, it has rust on the frame exhaust pass through and a few pin holes on >>the >>>floorboards immediately above. The shop doing the frame welding contacted >>>Martell in Ontario, but he is out of the Tiger sheet metal business. I >>noticed >>>Classic Sunbeam Auto Parts has the exhaust frame patches listed on its >>parts >>>sheet, but have no experience (yet) working with them. Suggestions for >>>sources? The car is in Reno, Nevada, although I live in San Diego. >>> >>>Kent Baker >>You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com >> >>Tigers at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >>http://www.team.net/archive >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>You are subscribed as jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk >> >>Tigers at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >>http://www.team.net/archive >> > > -- > Jeff Howarth > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as thorlp at hotmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery From PhastPhill at aol.com Thu Aug 27 17:45:01 2009 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:45:01 EDT Subject: [Tigers] LSD ( Posi ) for tiger Message-ID: I want to thank everyone for all the replies and info, on and off the list. I have printed all of it and put it in the winter project folder. I may be in touch off list with some off you in the fall. Again thanks to the list, the members, and thank the gods that be that AOL has stopped screwing up my list mail.....cheers From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Thu Aug 27 20:37:27 2009 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James Pickard) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:37:27 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Panel lights switch questions Message-ID: My panel lights switch is bad. It only works when it is half way between the middle and bottom position. But I have two questions. I know up is off, but I've forgotten what the difference is between the middle and down position. Second question concerns the wiring. My switch has a red/white wire attached to terminal 1 that disappears into the wiring harness. The wiring diagram shows no such wire. Anybody else have this? If so, what is it for? Thanks. Jim Pickard Lafayette, LA B9473298 From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Aug 27 21:43:43 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:43:43 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Panel lights switch questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2828E69001DD4723A1ED271FE47AFCDC@ronpc1> Jim You can gently pry these switches apart, clean the contacts and put back together. The wire diagram shows the red wire, power, to terminal #4 and a red/ white wire, gage illumination, at #8. Do you have a second R/W wire at #1? Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Pickard Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:37 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Panel lights switch questions My panel lights switch is bad. It only works when it is half way between the middle and bottom position. But I have two questions. I know up is off, but I've forgotten what the difference is between the middle and down position. Second question concerns the wiring. My switch has a red/white wire attached to terminal 1 that disappears into the wiring harness. The wiring diagram shows no such wire. Anybody else have this? If so, what is it for? Thanks. Jim Pickard Lafayette, LA B9473298 You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.67/2326 - Release Date: 08/27/09 08:11:00 From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 27 22:31:31 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:31:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Panel lights switch questions In-Reply-To: <2828E69001DD4723A1ED271FE47AFCDC@ronpc1> Message-ID: <469267.65311.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jim- Im not sure what wiring diagram you are using but I highly recommend buying the laminated one from CAT. It has Mk1 on one side and Mk1A on the other. Im thinking about a spare to store under the passenger seat, since its water proof. It shows the red w/ a white stripe illuminating the gauge lights thru out the system. It connects to lug 8 not 1. If memory serves that switch is the only one installed upside down and if your switch is up side down, then lug 8 would appear to be lug #1. The way to tell what lugs are 1 and 2 and 7 and 8 is use your meter- the two lugs w/ continuity are 1 and 2. 7&8 have no continuity and that also decides top(1&2) vs bottom (7&8). If memory serves the gauge light switch was installed from the factory up side down BUT an original owner with switches in original position would have to confirm that. My second Mk1A was that way and Im pretty sure no wires or switches had been changed. Someone who knows for sure want to "speak up"concerning the gauge lights switch being opposite of all other switches???? TtT --- On Thu, 8/27/09, Ron Fraser wrote: > From: Ron Fraser > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Panel lights switch questions > To: "'James Pickard'" , tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 10:43 PM > Jim > You can gently pry these switches apart, > clean the contacts and put > back together. > > The wire diagram shows the red wire, power, to terminal #4 > and a red/ white > wire, gage illumination, at #8. > > Do you have a second R/W wire at #1? > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of James Pickard > Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:37 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Panel lights switch questions > > > My panel lights switch is bad. It only works when it > is half way between > the middle and bottom position. But I have two > questions. I know up is > off, but I've forgotten what the difference is between the > middle and down > position. Second question concerns the wiring. My > switch has a red/white > wire attached to terminal 1 that disappears into the wiring > harness. The > wiring diagram shows no such wire. Anybody else have > this? If so, what is > it for? Thanks. > > Jim Pickard From achd73 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 28 00:08:26 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Panel lights switch questions WRONG WRONG WRONG In-Reply-To: <469267.65311.qm@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <979160.29678.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ok, I was looking at the wiring diagram when I sent the previous post and remembered I had some switches in the entertainment center and also found a meter. I discovered that the switches do have numbers on the lugs BUT dont have lugs for all the numbers. With the switch in the up position (lug 1- isnt a #2, being the top)then lugs 1,6, and 7 are connected. In the middle position, lugs 1,4,6 and 7 have continuity and in the bottom position, lugs 1,4,7 and 8 have continuity. SORRY for any confusin my earlier post created as I was only looking at the diagram and obviously you need to use the two togeter in order to wire things correctly or use the LUCAS definition of "anyway that makes everything work with no smoke" TtT --- On Thu, 8/27/09, Tony Somebody wrote: > From: Tony Somebody > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Panel lights switch questions > To: "'James Pickard'" , tigers at autox.team.net, rfraser at bluefrog.com > Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 11:31 PM > Jim- Im not sure what wiring diagram > you are using but I highly recommend > buying the laminated one from CAT. It has Mk1 on one side > and Mk1A on the > other. Im thinking about a spare to store under the > passenger seat, since its > water proof. It shows the red w/ a white stripe > illuminating the gauge lights > thru out the system. It connects to lug 8 not 1. If memory > serves that switch > is the only one installed upside down and if your switch is > up side down, then > lug 8 would appear to be lug #1. The way to tell what lugs > are 1 and 2 and 7 > and 8 is use your meter- the two lugs w/ continuity are 1 > and 2. 7&8 have no > continuity and that also decides top(1&2) vs bottom > (7&8). If memory serves > the gauge light switch was installed from the factory up > side down BUT an > original owner with switches in original position would > have to confirm that. > My second Mk1A was that way and Im pretty sure no wires or > switches had been > changed. Someone who knows for sure want to > "speak up"concerning the gauge lights switch being > opposite of all other > switches???? > TtT > > --- On Thu, 8/27/09, Ron Fraser > wrote: > > > From: Ron Fraser > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Panel lights switch > questions > > To: "'James Pickard'" , > tigers at autox.team.net > > Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 10:43 PM > > Jim > > You can gently pry these > switches apart, > > clean the contacts and put > > back together. > > > > The wire diagram shows the red wire, power, to > terminal #4 > > and a red/ white > > wire, gage illumination, at #8. > > > > Do you have a second R/W wire at #1? > > > > Ron Fraser > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > > On Behalf Of James Pickard > > Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:37 PM > > To: tigers at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Panel lights switch questions > > > > > > My panel lights switch is bad. It only works > when it > > is half way between > > the middle and bottom position. But I have two > > questions. I know up is > > off, but I've forgotten what the difference is between > the > > middle and down > > position. Second question concerns the wiring. > My > > switch has a red/white > > wire attached to terminal 1 that disappears into the > wiring > > harness. The > > wiring diagram shows no such wire. Anybody else > have > > this? If so, what is > > it for? Thanks. > > > > Jim Pickard > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as achd73 at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Fri Aug 28 12:11:14 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:11:14 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Panel lights switch questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A981DC2.1060402@SoCal.rr.com> Jim, My usual reminder that Bill Gegg has provided color coded wiring charts. The one dealing with the Mk I is at: http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/tt-images/MKIBIGwiring.jpg and the Mk II at: http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/tt-images/MKIIBIGwiring.jpg In this case, both look the same, but the Mk II has the terminals better labeled. The switch wiring appears in two images of the switch terminal to "simplify" the diagram to show inside switch connections. Physically it is a LOT simpler. The diagram does show the panel light switch and panel light bulb connections. HOWEVER these are the "electrical paths" of connectivity, and the actual physical view appears different, and simpler. It has but two terminals connected to wires. A lower red/white stripped wire line going to the right (passenger side) of the two lower spades, and a pair of Red wires, spliced into a single spade female wire connector, on the same side. Switch back ___________ | ___ | Double Red | | | | |__________| | | | ___ | Red/White stripe |__________| Since the "List" will not allow attachments or enclosures, this is the best I can do. (once I got in there to look, I could hardly get my head out. Ouch!) If you really want a photo sent directly to you, let me know and I will get a grandson to crawl under. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com James Pickard wrote: > My panel lights switch is bad. It only works when it is half way between the > middle and bottom position. But I have two questions. I know up is off, but > I've forgotten what the difference is between the middle and down position. > Second question concerns the wiring. My switch has a red/white wire attached > to terminal 1 that disappears into the wiring harness. The wiring diagram > shows no such wire. Anybody else have this? If so, what is it for? Thanks. > > Jim Pickard > Lafayette, LA > B9473298 From wrightsinseabrook at speakeasy.net Fri Aug 28 14:52:10 2009 From: wrightsinseabrook at speakeasy.net (Larry & Susan) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:52:10 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 13" Yokohamas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim Armstrong wrote: Gee, it only seems a couple of years ago I e-mailed Yokohama on the subject and got a reply that as long as Fiat X1/9's are popular in autocross, Yokohama will make high-performance 205/60-13's. No idea about the Fiats' standing today... Larry Wright From sralsten at ca.rr.com Fri Aug 28 18:06:49 2009 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:06:49 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Sheet metal In-Reply-To: <102BC4A7F27C4419ACED6EA2F3048E97@delldimension> Message-ID: <20090829000649.8JMMJ.409011.root@cdptpa-web19-z02> He made a series of incoherrant and venomous posts at the SAOCA website some 8 months os so ago. He was banned from the site. I don't know him and certainly never will I was shocked by the lack of cohesive thought combined with a massive display of ego. Man is really ill. Steve ---- Mike Michels wrote: > I got the same treatment from Martel a few years ago. Apparently he felt > some Sunbeam owner took advantage of him (no idea how or who) and he wants > nothing to do with anything related to Sunbeams and let me know it in very > colorful terms. My advice: don't bother with him. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Samouce's" > To: ; "'Baker,Kent'" ; > > Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:56 AM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Sheet metal > > > >I called Bob recently to inquire about a steel LAT hood. He told me is so > > many words that I did not have enough money for him to make me one. > > > > I recently replaced my front valance with a VB unit. It was a good fit. > > > > HTH's > > Duke > > B382002037 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > > On Behalf Of robin02 at mindspring.com > > Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:43 > > To: Baker,Kent; tigers at autox.team.net > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Sheet metal > > > > KEnt, I spoke to Bob Martel about five years ago when he was moving away > > from the Sunbeam fabrication efforts. HE was selling some things he still > > had already made but was not doing any more. It was Bob that told me that > > Victoria British had a good supplier for body panels from ENgland and the > > fit was good. LArry Paulick later confirmed this and I bought ten body > > panels for my car; front and back of each wheel well and the outer rocker > > panels. THe inner rocker panels were fabricated by my body, paint man. > > THe > > fit was good and my car turned out without any evidence of patch panels. > > At > > the time, neither Rick not Curt could fill the order. RObin Young > > > > ---Original Message----- > >>From: "Baker, Kent" > >>Sent: Aug 26, 2009 1:14 PM > >>To: "tigers at autox.team.net" > >>Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Sheet metal > >> > >>I am finally getting to the complete restoration of my MK1a, and am > >>looking > >>for quality sheet metal replacement parts. Although a Southern California > >>car, it has rust on the frame exhaust pass through and a few pin holes on > > the > >>floorboards immediately above. The shop doing the frame welding contacted > >>Martell in Ontario, but he is out of the Tiger sheet metal business. I > > noticed > >>Classic Sunbeam Auto Parts has the exhaust frame patches listed on its > > parts > >>sheet, but have no experience (yet) working with them. Suggestions for > >>sources? The car is in Reno, Nevada, although I live in San Diego. > >> > >>Kent Baker > > You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com > > > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as mmichels at socal.rr.com > > > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sralsten at ca.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From achd73 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 28 19:23:33 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Sheet metal In-Reply-To: <20090829000649.8JMMJ.409011.root@cdptpa-web19-z02> Message-ID: <634628.60231.qm@web30402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> IF anyone wants to know the reason that Martel supposedly represents himself as detached from Beams, Doug Jennings is the man to ask. Martel furnished Doug with repair metal for a long period. I have had no recent conversation with Martel or Doug concerning same but the last I heard, Martel had accepted a contract with an auto dealer- not as in selling cars but manufacturing certain parts for whatever model it was and in accepting that contract he no longer had time to make or manufacture Beam parts. Doug did tell me then, which was several years ago, that IF I wanted any metal I should put my order in immediately as Rob would soon be out of business, Beam wise. Now does he have a hardon for Beamers or is he making so much $$$ making newer car parts that he would loose money if he took time to make a Tiger subframe? I rather believe its the latter but I can only guess. If anyone speaks to Doug, they might ask him. TtT From todbrown at roadrunner.com Fri Aug 28 21:35:29 2009 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:35:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Panel lights switch questions Message-ID: <4A98A201.9030701@roadrunner.com> I thought everyone knew that the three positions on a Lucas switch were for OFF, DIM and FLICKER. That seems to be the way it works on my Tiger. Tod B382002384LRXFE From marcsmall at comcast.net Fri Aug 28 21:54:25 2009 From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:54:25 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Panel lights switch questions In-Reply-To: <4A98A201.9030701@roadrunner.com> References: <4A98A201.9030701@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <20090829035805.5394318763F@autox.team.net> At 11:35 PM 8/28/2009, Tod Brown wrote: >I thought everyone knew that the three positions on a Lucas switch were >for OFF, DIM and FLICKER. That seems to be the way it works on my Tiger. Remove the switch from the dash. Disassemble it -- it will click open with some gentle pressure. Clean the contacts. Reassemble and reinstall. Voila! The switch works properly. Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com Sat Aug 29 19:58:39 2009 From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 20:58:39 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Rust Proofing Message-ID: <4a99dce0.07015a0a.32e0.ffffc32a@mx.google.com> Hey, I recently had a lot of paint and body work done to my car and today I was laying on my back looking at the under side of the car and I got to thinking about all of the places that the paint couldn't get to. There are all kinds of openings into the frame rails and assorted braces and I got to thinking that I need to spray something inside of all of these nooks and crannies. Does anybody have any experience with the rustproofing system from Eastwood? Their "Heavy Duty Anti Rust" sounds like what I am looking for and they have a sprayer with long wands to go into the frame rails. Anybody got any other recommendations? Thanks, Joe Brown Arlington, TX B382000217 From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Sat Aug 29 22:01:52 2009 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:01:52 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Publicity In-Reply-To: <4a99dce0.07015a0a.32e0.ffffc32a@mx.google.com> References: <4a99dce0.07015a0a.32e0.ffffc32a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <001501ca2926$9bc5d490$d3517db0$@rr.com> I Took the Tiger to the 4th Annual Ford Fest in Kansas City today. It was held at the Kansas City International Speedway (1/4 mile drag strip). My car was placed in the Special Interest Ford category. Also in the category were six late model Ford Mustang Cobras (non-Shelby). You had to slap me when they announced the "little red Tiger" as the best of show in that category. I had lots of great complements about the car and one guy even asked if it was a MG :>/ I also ran my car three times down the 1/4 mile for the first time. In its current state of tune it ran between 14.6 and 14.7 all at 94 MPH. The third run was against a 427 Cobra replica. It ran ~11 seconds and made me look like grandma with a walker. Next Sunday is the Kansas City all British Show, my last for the season. Duke B382002037 From parlanti at comcast.net Sun Aug 30 08:40:43 2009 From: parlanti at comcast.net (parlanti at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:40:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] ebay Tiger question In-Reply-To: <539865046.5676181251642779354.JavaMail.root@sz0120a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1909564805.5678341251643243444.JavaMail.root@sz0120a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> So, a quick question for the group. Has anyone seen the ebay ad for the rusty Tiger in Florida? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Sunbeam-Tiger-very-Rusty-TAC-certif-Title_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem2c50a018b0QQitemZ190331230384QQptZSalvageQ5fPartsQ5fCars I noticed that the VIN plate was covered with cardboard and sent an email asking if he knew the VIN and JAL numbers. His response was "Sorry, that info is only for the buyers eyes". So what gives? Joe Parlanti B382000026 From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Sun Aug 30 09:12:44 2009 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:12:44 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] ebay Tiger question In-Reply-To: <1909564805.5678341251643243444.JavaMail.root@sz0120a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <539865046.5676181251642779354.JavaMail.root@sz0120a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <1909564805.5678341251643243444.JavaMail.root@sz0120a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000301ca2984$53eec7e0$fbcc57a0$@rr.com> It is because this scum-bag is selling this car specifically for it to be made into a re-bodied car and sold as if it was not a rebody. Guys like this really piss me off. Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of parlanti at comcast.net Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 09:41 To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] ebay Tiger question So, a quick question for the group. Has anyone seen the ebay ad for the rusty Tiger in Florida? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Sunbeam-Tiger-very-Rusty-TAC-certif-Title_W0Q QcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem2c50a018b0QQitemZ190331230 384QQptZSalvageQ5fPartsQ5fCars I noticed that the VIN plate was covered with cardboard and sent an email asking if he knew the VIN and JAL numbers. His response was "Sorry, that info is only for the buyers eyes". So what gives? Joe Parlanti B382000026 You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From awtiger at cox.net Sun Aug 30 09:27:57 2009 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:27:57 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] ebay Tiger question In-Reply-To: <000301ca2984$53eec7e0$fbcc57a0$@rr.com> References: <539865046.5676181251642779354.JavaMail.root@sz0120a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><1909564805.5678341251643243444.JavaMail.root@sz0120a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <000301ca2984$53eec7e0$fbcc57a0$@rr.com> Message-ID: I agree wholeheartedly with Duke. Why else would someone selling a Tiger want to hide the serial number from the buying public? As far as I'm concerned, there's an old saying out there that everyone knows, and he's full of it. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE (TAC #740) B9006857LRX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samouce's" To: ; Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay Tiger question > It is because this scum-bag is selling this car specifically for it to be > made into a re-bodied car and sold as if it was not a rebody. > > Guys like this really piss me off. > > Duke > B382002037 > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of parlanti at comcast.net > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 09:41 > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] ebay Tiger question > > So, a quick question for the group. Has anyone seen the ebay ad for the > rusty Tiger in Florida? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Sunbeam-Tiger-very-Rusty-TAC-certif-Title_W0Q > QcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem2c50a018b0QQitemZ190331230 > 384QQptZSalvageQ5fPartsQ5fCars > > I noticed that the VIN plate was covered with cardboard and sent an email > asking if he knew the VIN and JAL numbers. His response was "Sorry, that > info is only for the buyers eyes". So what gives? > > Joe Parlanti > B382000026 > You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as awtiger at cox.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Sun Aug 30 10:59:15 2009 From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:59:15 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Tigers] THE WOODSTOCK (NY) BRITISH CAR MEET - SATURDAY, SEPT. 26 Message-ID: <14036767.1251651555810.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Second Annual WOODSTOCK BRITISH CAR MEET (British motorcycles & pre-1980 European cars invited too) SATURDAY, SEPT. 26 10 am to 4 pm (Rain Date: Sunday, September 27) Woodstock Playhouse Intersection of Route 212 and Route 375, Woodstock, NY Join more than 100 British car owners for a smashing display of classic, quirky, and lovable British classics, right in the heart of Woodstock New York and the Catskill Mountains. Don't have a show car? Don't worry! Projects-in-progress, daily drivers, and vintage racers are just as welcome as Concours d'Elegance show cars. If it's British, bring it! Cars will enter the field starting at 10 am, and the fun goes on all day. Around 2 pm, we'll present awards, including People's Choice and the Longest Distance Traveled. Spectators are welcome, and FREE parking is available. The heart of the picturesque historic hamlet of Woodstock is just minutes' walk from the Playhouse, offering shops, restaurants, live music, and much more. The registration fee for British cars is $15 per car at the gate; there is no pre-registration. All proceeds from this event benefit the Woodstock Playhouse ( a non-profit org. ) Food and Refreshments will be available DIRECTIONS >From NYS Thruway / I-87: Take Exit 19 (Kingston) and head west on Route 28 for 5.8 miles (Speed Trap - stay under 50 mph) then turn right onto Route 375 North, which will end 2.9 miles later at Route 212 and the Playhouse. >From Saugerties (Exit 20) Take Route 212 West into the hamlet of Woodstock. The intersection of Route 375 will be on your left; the Playhouse entrance is on your right. >From points west: Take Route 28 East to Route 375 North. Travel 2.9 miles, and the road will end at Route 212 and the Playhouse. FOR MORE INFORMATION: e-mail Woodstock.British at gmail.com From spook01 at comcast.net Sun Aug 30 10:59:46 2009 From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 16:59:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] ebay Tiger question In-Reply-To: <000301ca2984$53eec7e0$fbcc57a0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1836716384.5420291251651586575.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> assuming the best, maybe he doesn't want a bunch of folks sniping at him.B maybe he has a title he is afraid someone might do a "prior claim" on.B there are a lot of reasons people don't put photos of serial numbers on the internet . unless you actually KNOW this guy, characterizing him as a "scumbag" is a little OTT . rayB B ----- Original Message ----- From: " Samouce's " < wsamouce @kc. rr .com> To: parlanti @comcast.net, tigers@ autox .team.net Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:12:44 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay Tiger question It is because this scum-bag is selling this car specifically for it to be made into a re-bodied car and sold as if it was not a rebody . Guys like this really piss me off. Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces@ autox .team.net [ mailto :tigers-bounces@ autox .team.net] On Behalf Of parlanti @comcast.net Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 09:41 To: tigers@ autox .team.net Subject: [Tigers] ebay Tiger question So, a quick question for the group. Has anyone seen the ebay ad for the rusty Tiger in Florida? http :// cgi . ebay .com/ ebaymotors /Sunbeam-Tiger-very-Rusty-TAC-certif-Title_W0Q QcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem2c50a018b0QQitemZ190331230 384QQptZSalvageQ5fPartsQ5fCars I noticed that the VIN plate was covered with cardboard and sent an email asking if he knew the VIN and JAL numbers. His response was "Sorry, that info is only for the buyers eyes". So what gives? Joe Parlanti B382000026 You are subscribed as wsamouce @kc. rr .com Tigers@ autox .team.net http :// autox .team.net/mailman/ listinfo /tigers http :// www .team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net B http :// www .team.net/donate. html You are subscribed as spook01 at comcast.net Tigers@ autox .team.net http :// autox .team.net/mailman/ listinfo /tigers http :// www .team.net/archive From sralsten at ca.rr.com Sun Aug 30 11:04:24 2009 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:04:24 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] ebay Tiger question In-Reply-To: <000301ca2984$53eec7e0$fbcc57a0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <20090830170424.ASDUK.422435.root@cdptpa-web05-z02> I saw this car for sale nearly a year ago on Criags. Doesn't seem like much choice but a rebody as too much seems lost to rust. I wrote to the seller and spoke on the phone with him as well. At the time he was saying a "local to him" TAC guy looked over the car and said it was authentic. Since then it seems he's written off to Norm to get the build info certs Norm offers, or the new seller has done this. The seller name in this auction does not match the seller on craigs list of a year ago. but the longshot picture is the same. On CL there was a photo of badges and chassis plate sitting on a table, not in car any longer. My communication with the guy (Jim I think) was over the badges on the table. He had Alpine 260 badges which I wanted. At that time the car was in Oregon or Washington.Now it's being sold by mflbmr and in Florida. Florida guy bought and salvaged what he could ? The cardboard may just be hiding the fact that theres nothing there. Steve ---- Samouce's wrote: > It is because this scum-bag is selling this car specifically for it to be > made into a re-bodied car and sold as if it was not a rebody. > > Guys like this really piss me off. > > Duke > B382002037 > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of parlanti at comcast.net > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 09:41 > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] ebay Tiger question > > So, a quick question for the group. Has anyone seen the ebay ad for the > rusty Tiger in Florida? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Sunbeam-Tiger-very-Rusty-TAC-certif-Title_W0Q > QcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem2c50a018b0QQitemZ190331230 > 384QQptZSalvageQ5fPartsQ5fCars > > I noticed that the VIN plate was covered with cardboard and sent an email > asking if he knew the VIN and JAL numbers. His response was "Sorry, that > info is only for the buyers eyes". So what gives? > > Joe Parlanti > B382000026 > You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sralsten at ca.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Sun Aug 30 11:33:10 2009 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:33:10 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] ebay Tiger question In-Reply-To: <1836716384.5420291251651586575.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <000301ca2984$53eec7e0$fbcc57a0$@rr.com> <1836716384.5420291251651586575.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <000301ca2997$f2147d30$d63d7790$@rr.com> OKb&..he may not be scum-bag. Then again, he just may. Duke From: spook01 at comcast.net [mailto:spook01 at comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 12:00 To: Samouce's Cc: parlanti at comcast.net; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay Tiger question assuming the best, maybe he doesn't want a bunch of folks sniping at him. maybe he has a title he is afraid someone might do a "prior claim" on. there are a lot of reasons people don't put photos of serial numbers on the internet. unless you actually KNOW this guy, characterizing him as a "scumbag" is a little OTT. ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Samouce's" To: parlanti at comcast.net, tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:12:44 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay Tiger question It is because this scum-bag is selling this car specifically for it to be made into a re-bodied car and sold as if it was not a rebody. Guys like this really piss me off. Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of parlanti at comcast.net Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 09:41 To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] ebay Tiger question So, a quick question for the group. Has anyone seen the ebay ad for the rusty Tiger in Florida? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Sunbeam-Tiger-very-Rusty-TAC-certif-Title_W0Q QcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem2c50a018b0QQitemZ190331230 384QQptZSalvageQ5fPartsQ5fCars I noticed that the VIN plate was covered with cardboard and sent an email asking if he knew the VIN and JAL numbers. His response was "Sorry, that info is only for the buyers eyes". So what gives? Joe Parlanti B382000026 You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sun Aug 30 12:32:48 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 11:32:48 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rust Proofing In-Reply-To: <4a99dce0.07015a0a.32e0.ffffc32a@mx.google.com> References: <4a99dce0.07015a0a.32e0.ffffc32a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4A9AC5D0.4030001@SoCal.rr.com> Joe, Being a California guy, the only cars I've seen with "rust cancer" were those housed at the beach. When I moved to Illinois I brought my 911S taken cross country, and then saw what salted road cancer really was all about. To protect my car I had a professional application of a product called "ZeeBart". They actually drilled small holes into enclosed spaces, like inside the doors, and other chassis areas, and applied with a wand about 1/8 inch D., and the hole was plugged and sealed after application. Other "open" areas were cleaned and covered as well. If standard "under seal" is used, I am told that small tears allow salt water in to pockets and it rusts even quicker. Six years later I came "home", and there was zero rust. I believe it is those little nooks and cranny's that hold the salt. I don't have 20 years experience with this process, but it was recommended as "the best thing to do". So, now I have a 44 year old car that has never left California, not especially protected, and no rust. So there is an alternate solution - provided you don't already have "cancer". Good Fortune, Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Joe Brown wrote: > Hey, > > > > I recently had a lot of paint and body work done to my car and today I was > laying on my back looking at the under side of the car and I got to thinking > about all of the places that the paint couldn't get to. There are all kinds > of openings into the frame rails and assorted braces and I got to thinking > that I need to spray something inside of all of these nooks and crannies. > Does anybody have any experience with the rustproofing system from Eastwood? > Their "Heavy Duty Anti Rust" sounds like what I am looking for and they have > a sprayer with long wands to go into the frame rails. Anybody got any other > recommendations? > > > > Thanks, > > Joe Brown > > Arlington, TX > > B382000217 From achd73 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 30 12:40:37 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 11:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Rust Proofing In-Reply-To: <4A9AC5D0.4030001@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <249675.45012.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have an 85 Bronco2 that my buddy bought the day his daughter was born. he had it Zbarted at the dealer in Pa. where they use more salt in the winter than they do asphalt in the summer. Guranteed to never rust from the inside out and although it needs a paint job, the only rust is where an x girlfriend dropped kicked the door- yes, i did knock her out. Not proud of hitting a female but I cant stand drunks- especially when i was being accusd of what i was totally innocent of- WHO CARES- The Zbart is excellent stuff and I wouldnt hesitate to use it to undercoat and or to drill holes so that those places U cant see get covered too.The truck has been in southern Il since 87. Plenty of rusty cars and trucks here IF you dont do something to protect the new when it is new. TtT --- On Sun, 8/30/09, Steve Laifman wrote: > From: Steve Laifman > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rust Proofing > To: "Joe Brown" > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 1:32 PM > Joe, > > Being a California guy, the only cars I've seen with "rust > cancer" were those housed at the beach. When I moved > to Illinois I brought my 911S taken cross country, and then > saw what salted road cancer really was all about. To > protect my car I had a professional application of a product > called "ZeeBart". They actually drilled small holes > into enclosed spaces, like inside the doors, and other > chassis areas, and applied with a wand about 1/8 inch D., > and the hole was plugged and sealed after application. > > Other "open" areas were cleaned and covered as well. > If standard "under seal" is used, I am told that small tears > allow salt water in to pockets and it rusts even quicker. > > Six years later I came "home", and there was zero > rust. I believe it is those little nooks and cranny's > that hold the salt. I don't have 20 years experience > with this process, but it was recommended as "the best thing > to do". > > So, now I have a 44 year old car that has never left > California, not especially protected, and no rust. So > there is an alternate solution - provided you don't already > have "cancer". > > Good Fortune, > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > > Joe Brown wrote: > > Hey, > > > > > > I recently had a lot of paint and body work done to my > car and today I was > > laying on my back looking at the under side of the car > and I got to thinking > > about all of the places that the paint couldn't get > to. There are all kinds > > of openings into the frame rails and assorted braces > and I got to thinking > > that I need to spray something inside of all of these > nooks and crannies. > > Does anybody have any experience with the rustproofing > system from Eastwood? > > Their "Heavy Duty Anti Rust" sounds like what I am > looking for and they have > > a sprayer with long wands to go into the frame > rails. Anybody got any other > > recommendations? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Joe Brown > > > > Arlington, TX > > > > B382000217 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as achd73 at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From gswaybright at yahoo.com Sun Aug 30 13:08:28 2009 From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Rust Proofing In-Reply-To: <249675.45012.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <631023.23179.qm@web31406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Check out http://www.ziebart.com/products.php They were very big and widely advertised 20 years ago, but I think the auto manufactures have improved rust protection to a point where Ziebart and their kind are no where near as big as they once were. In the 70's & 80's, it was a must for new cars up here in the rust belt. Stephen Waybright --- On Sun, 8/30/09, Tony Somebody wrote: > From: Tony Somebody > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rust Proofing > To: "Joe Brown" , "Steve Laifman" > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 2:40 PM > I have an 85 Bronco2 that my buddy > bought the day his daughter was born. he > had it Zbarted at the dealer in Pa. where they use more > salt in the winter > than they do asphalt in the summer. Guranteed to never rust > from the inside > out and although it needs a paint job, the only rust is > where an x girlfriend > dropped kicked the door- yes, i did knock her out. Not > proud of hitting a > female but I cant stand drunks- especially when i was being > accusd of what i > was totally innocent of- WHO CARES- The Zbart is excellent > stuff and I wouldnt > hesitate to use it to undercoat and or to drill holes so > that those places U > cant see get covered too.The truck has been in southern Il > since 87. Plenty of > rusty cars and trucks here IF you dont do something to > protect the new when it > is new. > TtT From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 30 13:38:44 2009 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (J. Nichols) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:38:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] ebay Tiger question Message-ID: <002101ca29a9$7cd7cdd0$6401a8c0@your03667082de> "I noticed that the VIN plate was covered with cardboard and sent an email asking if he knew the VIN and JAL numbers. His response was "Sorry, that info is only for the buyers eyes". So what gives? " He also has a Alpine parts car to go along with the Tiger hulk. If you put two and two together you get an Alger. It was probably too much work for himself to do so why not let someone else try. You have to wonder on his basic honesty with hiding the VIN. The only reason is too help someone create a fake. Jeff From djoh797014 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 30 13:48:44 2009 From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] ebay Tiger question In-Reply-To: <002101ca29a9$7cd7cdd0$6401a8c0@your03667082de> References: <002101ca29a9$7cd7cdd0$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: <314950.16051.qm@web111615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> This begs the question. If you have a TAC certified Tiger that due to some reason must have most of not all of its sheet metal replaced, is it still a Tiger? I think it should be a 'Rebodied Tiger' not an 'Alger'. At what point does it cease to become a Tiger? Both fenders replaced, One fender both doors? Untill recently most sheet metal came from donor Alpines. Personally I think if it came off the assembly line as a Tiger, its a Tiger, not matter what clothes its wearing. Let the discussion begin again. Dave ________________________________ From: J. Nichols To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 3:38:44 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay Tiger question "I noticed that the VIN plate was covered with cardboard and sent an email asking if he knew the VIN and JAL numbers. His response was "Sorry, that info is only for the buyers eyes". So what gives? " He also has a Alpine parts car to go along with the Tiger hulk. If you put two and two together you get an Alger. It was probably too much work for himself to do so why not let someone else try. You have to wonder on his basic honesty with hiding the VIN. The only reason is too help someone create a fake. Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as djoh797014 at yahoo.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From banana111 at msn.com Sun Aug 30 14:38:58 2009 From: banana111 at msn.com (Brent Edinger) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:38:58 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rust Proofing Message-ID: Joe, I took the nozzle off a WD-40 can and attached a rubber hose onto the tube. Then you can put the nozzle onto a can off hammerite paint or extend rust treatment and inject paint into just about any little space. Brent B9471023 Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 20:58:39 -0500 From: "Joe Brown" Subject: [Tigers] Rust Proofing To: Message-ID: <4a99dce0.07015a0a.32e0.ffffc32a at mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hey, I recently had a lot of paint and body work done to my car and today I was laying on my back looking at the under side of the car and I got to thinking about all of the places that the paint couldn't get to. There are all kinds of openings into the frame rails and assorted braces and I got to thinking that I need to spray something inside of all of these nooks and crannies. Does anybody have any experience with the rustproofing system from Eastwood? Their "Heavy Duty Anti Rust" sounds like what I am looking for and they have a sprayer with long wands to go into the frame rails. Anybody got any other recommendations? Thanks, Joe Brown Arlington, TX B382000217 From tigertom333 at msn.com Sun Aug 30 15:36:00 2009 From: tigertom333 at msn.com (thomas rankin) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:36:00 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] rotors Message-ID: Hi, Need new front rotors for a 65 Tiger any help? Thanks Tom From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Sun Aug 30 15:58:09 2009 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:58:09 EDT Subject: [Tigers] rotors Message-ID: _http://www.rootes.com/_ (http://www.rootes.com/) In a message dated 8/30/2009 2:45:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tigertom333 at msn.com writes: Hi, Need new front rotors for a 65 Tiger any help? Thanks Tom You are subscribed as aaaglasss at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From atwittsend at verizon.net Sun Aug 30 16:41:34 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:41:34 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] ebay Tiger question References: <20090830170424.ASDUK.422435.root@cdptpa-web05-z02> Message-ID: <8B1538DA80E94EAF96459254EA1CC29F@student2> >>>mflbmr<<< There was a guy on the list years ago that filling in the vowels would likely be this guy. I think his first name was "Mike." I have also seem him selling parts on Ebay for some time. I don't know anything about him either way. But, he is not someone new to Tigers as far as I can ascertain. Tom From kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com Sun Aug 30 17:03:19 2009 From: kevinteresa.beck74 at gmail.com (kevin beck) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:03:19 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] interior Message-ID: <22507f140908301603v50596be4j2e888b4e29a2716@mail.gmail.com> Iv'e noticed some tigers/alpines have a padded rest on top of the door and some don't why is this? Thanks Kevin From deiland1 at elp.rr.com Sun Aug 30 17:14:21 2009 From: deiland1 at elp.rr.com (Dan Eiland) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:14:21 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] interior References: <22507f140908301603v50596be4j2e888b4e29a2716@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B718E8E720149669990094C5FDF509E@owner95291b1f9> Those with the padded rest on the doors were the GT models. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin beck" To: Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 5:03 PM Subject: [Tigers] interior > Iv'e noticed some tigers/alpines have a padded rest on top of the door and > some don't why is this? Thanks Kevin > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as deiland1 at elp.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sun Aug 30 17:22:18 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 16:22:18 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] "TAC" 'splained In-Reply-To: <314950.16051.qm@web111615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <002101ca29a9$7cd7cdd0$6401a8c0@your03667082de> <314950.16051.qm@web111615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A9B09AA.3050102@SoCal.rr.com> Dave, I had my car TAC'd at an event where inspectors were doing this. As I recall, Tom Hall was the senior inspector, and and had two certified inspectors with him. The car in your question MAY have had a certified inspector, but it could NOT have been TAC'd without more official inspectors. The "TAC" (Tiger Authentication Committee ) statement appears invalid. See the STOA web page at the link for an official description and criteria. Your questions are answered! */Once the Release of Liability is signed, the authentication process may proceed. Three TAC inspectors (one of whom must be a Senior Inspector) shall examine the vehicle. The inspectors will be identified on the Fact Sheet. The inspectors shall examine as many elements of factory methodology as they feel are sufficient to reach a conclusion about the authenticity of the vehicle. /* The OFFICIAL answer is detailed http://www.stoa-tigerclub.com/ Under link "Authentication", as well as a list of TAC'd vehicles VIN# and TAC#, and last known location/owner. AND YES, a genuine Tiger with a Chevy Big Block can be Certified as having rolled off the Jensen Assembly Line" originally. (Not forgetting those rare South African violets, either. Here is the complete list at Norman Miller's site: http://www.rootes1.com/ Hope this helps, Steve Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com David T Johnson wrote: > This begs the question. > > If you have a TAC certified Tiger that due to some > reason must have > most of not all of its sheet metal replaced, is it still a > Tiger? I think > it should be a 'Rebodied Tiger' not an 'Alger'. At what > point does > it cease to become a Tiger? Both fenders replaced, One fender > both doors? Untill recently most sheet metal came from donor Alpines. > Personally I think if it came off the assembly line as a Tiger, its a > Tiger, > not matter what clothes its wearing. > > Let the discussion begin again. > > Dave From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sun Aug 30 17:25:17 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 16:25:17 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] interior In-Reply-To: <4B718E8E720149669990094C5FDF509E@owner95291b1f9> References: <22507f140908301603v50596be4j2e888b4e29a2716@mail.gmail.com> <4B718E8E720149669990094C5FDF509E@owner95291b1f9> Message-ID: <4A9B0A5D.3050404@SoCal.rr.com> Yes, GT from the factory. However, there are Tiger upholstery dealers who sell replicas for non-GT models. Look Neat. ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Dan Eiland wrote: > Those with the padded rest on the doors were the GT models. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin beck" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 5:03 PM > Subject: [Tigers] interior > > >> Iv'e noticed some tigers/alpines have a padded rest on top of the >> door and >> some don't why is this? Thanks Kevin From djoh797014 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 30 17:32:20 2009 From: djoh797014 at yahoo.com (David T Johnson) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 16:32:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] interior In-Reply-To: <22507f140908301603v50596be4j2e888b4e29a2716@mail.gmail.com> References: <22507f140908301603v50596be4j2e888b4e29a2716@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <553768.48178.qm@web111615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MK I Tigers thru B9473100 had no door waist roll unless it was a GT Tiger. After B9473100 and thru the MK II all had the GT interior as standard. ________________________________ From: kevin beck To: Tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 7:03:19 PM Subject: [Tigers] interior Iv'e noticed some tigers/alpines have a padded rest on top of the door and some don't why is this? Thanks Kevin _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as djoh797014 at yahoo.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun Aug 30 17:59:32 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:59:32 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] ebay Tiger question In-Reply-To: <8B1538DA80E94EAF96459254EA1CC29F@student2> References: <20090830170424.ASDUK.422435.root@cdptpa-web05-z02> <8B1538DA80E94EAF96459254EA1CC29F@student2> Message-ID: Mike is quite well known on the SAOCA boards and has been selling stuff on ebay for quite a while. I would assume that he has covered the VIN and JAl tags so that everybody doesnt automatically assume whoever buys the car does a rebody and writes it off as an alger... that said.. not sure how you preserev that car. -- Regards Michael King From stubrennan at comcast.net Sun Aug 30 18:07:49 2009 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:07:49 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] MAINE ROOTES FALL RENDEZVOUS Message-ID: <001301ca29cf$14357fe0$6601a8c0@Brennan> MAINE ROOTES FALL RENDEZVOUS This year our fall get-together is scheduled for Saturday and Sunday, Oct. 3 & 4 in the Midcoast area of Maine. The dates chosen are NOT the usual Columbus Day weekend dates since Owls Head Transportation Museum is holding their annual Foreign Auto Festival & Antique Aeroplane Show on Oct. 4. This year OHTM is celebrating the 100th anniversary of the Morgan marque. The schedule for our meeting is as follows: Saturday, Oct. 3 11 AM - Noon: We will gather at the home of Merrilee and Tod Brown for an initial meeting, snacks, conversation and show and tell. 2 PM (approx): Depart for a tour down the Medomak River Road to Pemaquid Point and a visit to the Pemaquid Point Lighthouse for pictures. 4 PM (approx): Return to the Long Cove Clubhouse in Chamberlain for picnic and more conversation, etc. Those who have attended in the past will notice a change in the arrangements. In anticipation of a larger turnout, Dexter offered us the use of the Long Cove Clubhouse, near his cottage for the picnic. It has more space, is under cover in case of inclement weather and has plenty of parking. Sunday, Oct. 4 We will meet at OHTM for participation in the Foreign Auto Festival. Gates open for participants at 8:30 and to the public at 10:00. OHTM will reserve an area for us to park together, so long as someone is there early to stake our claim. On a good day there can be upwards of 200 cars at the show. For more information and/or directions contact Tod and Merrilee at 207-832-9913 or todbrown at roadrunner.com From Tiger at Sabr2th.com Sun Aug 30 18:19:30 2009 From: Tiger at Sabr2th.com (Sabr2th) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:19:30 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] ebay Tiger question Message-ID: Michael makes a very good point. When I first got my Mk II it was a heavily rusted east coast car. I talked with Norm Miller extensively about it, as he holds a huge wealth of knowledge on these cars. At that time there was some discussion of re-bodying the car, but it never was. Still a heavily rusted east coast car with VIN/JAL tags intact. Unfortunately, the car now appears in the Book of Norman registry as a re-body. Maybe he can fix that in the next edition. Speaking of which, any word on that? Come on Norman you know it will sell out immediately. Mark On 8/30/09 6:59 PM, "michael king" wrote: > Mike is quite well known on the SAOCA boards and has been selling stuff on > ebay for quite a while. > > I would assume that he has covered the VIN and JAl tags so that everybody > doesnt automatically assume whoever buys the car does a rebody and writes it > off as an alger... that said.. not sure how you preserev that car. From alpdavegre at msn.com Sun Aug 30 19:08:47 2009 From: alpdavegre at msn.com (DAVID GREEN) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:08:47 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 335 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe, I got the Eastwood product for under coating and was dissatisfied. It would not even spray out of their unit. Don't waste your money. Go with some other product. Dave Green B9472549LRXFE From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 30 19:27:45 2009 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (J. Nichols) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:27:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Ziebart Or Zierust? Message-ID: <001801ca29da$3fad1ec0$6401a8c0@your03667082de> "To protect my car I had a professional application of a product called "ZeeBart". They actually drilled small holes into enclosed spaces, like inside the doors, and other chassis areas, and applied with a wand about 1/8 inch D., and the hole was plugged and sealed after application." "Guranteed to never rust from the inside out" I've lived in the rust belt all my life and had a few cars with Ziebart. And all rusted through, some worse than others. The worst I saw was my neighbors 1968 convertible Mustang (34,000 miles) that by 1973 looked like swiss cheese. Rust had a good start on my Alfa Romeo Spyder rear wheel wells (from the inside out) that was Ziebarted and I couldn't understand why. So I removed the rear upholsery and then could look inside the fender. Well, the trained "professional applicator" drilled the hole in the sills and door jam but neglected to spray inside the fender or the the sills. But the frame still looked good. Another car I had started to rust around the holes that were drilled into the sill under the plastic plug that proclaimed "Ziebart". An unintended bonus was Ziebart never seemed to dry fully and would ooze out on to your drive way if the car was left out in the sun. Ziebart was successfully sued in the 1980's for making false claims that their product "rustproof"ed cars. The gurantee was nothing special, just refund the cost of application if the car rusted through. Jeff From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun Aug 30 20:00:55 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:00:55 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] tiger on US speed show Message-ID: Some US speedo show doing a segment on a "427' modified "tiger" Go to 35 seconds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OxmdaixfNQ -- Regards Michael King From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Aug 30 20:51:53 2009 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:51:53 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Ziebart Or Zierust? Message-ID: Every "guaranteed" product that I saw gave the guarantee that they would either repair any rust damage or refund your money. It was hard for them to lose. And, they almost all required an annual inspection of the car or the warranty was gone. Most forgot to bring the car for the inspection. If you could ever find what Volvo uses then you'd have something. I just got rid of a car that spent the last 17 yrs. in Vermont salt and there was absolutely no rust. But, I'm sure plenty of the car was galvanized compared to the steel of a Tiger. From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Aug 31 01:11:56 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:11:56 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] MKII Tiger chrome headlight rims for sale Message-ID: No connection to seller.. just saw these and know people are always looking for them. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sunbeam-Tiger-MK2-Alpine-MK5-Rare-chrome-lamp-rings_W0QQitemZ250488542106QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item3a5247d39a&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 -- Regards Michael King From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Mon Aug 31 06:04:06 2009 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:04:06 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Wow...some real characters. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000501ca2a33$245920c0$6d0b6240$@rr.com> Fellas.......fellas. Due to my "scum bag" comment I have received lots of email. I will not name names but have been called a dick, asshole, scum-bag (I deserved that) and also been physically threatened. I have just discovered quite a different face to Tiger owners.....not a good one. I have made nice with Mike too, so the others that want to threaten violence can stop. BTW....I am 6'2", 220 lbs and am a hand to hand combat instructor amongst other things in the military. Know you appoint you keyboard warriors. Duke B382002037 From Rollright at aol.com Mon Aug 31 12:32:49 2009 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:32:49 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Rust never sleeps Message-ID: Hello, I've had my Tiger since 1976 and had the rust cut out and new metal patched in twice. With the compulsory new paint job. Massachusetts winters. In our parts, there have been a number of anti-rust products with muffler-shop style sales presentations: Ziebart, Rusty Jones, Tuffcoat Dynal are just three that come to mind. As one of our Listers pointed out, application was a variable that had a great effect on the long term outcome. With today's superbly treated cars, all shops that I know of have disappeared. There is no real rust problem with modern cars even in the salty winters of our area. So, that leaves 1) super-specialty body shops that have no experience in application and 2) home application. There is a British product,Finnigan's Waxoyl, that Gary Fish and I used after we striped our hard-tops. It is used to good effect in Britain on even North Sea oil rigs, but application I found was a pain in the a**. Dilution and temperature have to be just so. Especially temperature. You need to heat up water to put the solution can in and occasionally take it out to re-heat the water. And you need to keep up heat the applicator hose. Definitely a summer, or heated indoor product. But.........it does come highly recommended. The Brits don't seem to use anything else. I don't know about other home-applied products, though when I did research earlier this year, others didn't leap out of Google. Hope this helps. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE From sganz at pacbell.net Mon Aug 31 13:02:54 2009 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] tiger on US speed show In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <506459.7984.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That was nice to see! I though the tiger was going to be all over the track but seemed to pull clean and straight. ----- Original Message ---- From: michael king To: Tiger Talk List Tiger Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 7:00:55 PM Subject: [Tigers] tiger on US speed show Some US speedo show doing a segment on a "427' modified "tiger" Go to 35 seconds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OxmdaixfNQ -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From arado7 at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 31 13:22:58 2009 From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Rust never sleeps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <324000.73510.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have used Waxoyl for many years. I apply it by diluting with white spirits to a 50/50%. Use a hand spayer. The spirits evaporate and leave a thin coat of wax. I use it in engine compartment, under panels, doors, boot and chassis. No rust or corrosion. I refresh every year when changing Mobil1. Regards Gary B9472283 --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Rollright at aol.com wrote: From: Rollright at aol.com Subject: [Tigers] Rust never sleeps To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 6:32 PM Hello, I've had my Tiger since 1976 and had the rust cut out and new metal patched in twice. With the compulsory new paint job. Massachusetts winters. In our parts, there have been a number of anti-rust products with muffler-shop style sales presentations: Ziebart, Rusty Jones, Tuffcoat Dynal are just three that come to mind. As one of our Listers pointed out, application was a variable that had a great effect on the long term outcome. With today's superbly treated cars, all shops that I know of have disappeared. There is no real rust problem with modern cars even in the salty winters of our area. So, that leaves 1) super-specialty body shops that have no experience in application and 2) home application. There is a British product,Finnigan's Waxoyl, that Gary Fish and I used after we striped our hard-tops. It is used to good effect in Britain on even North Sea oil rigs, but application I found was a pain in the a**. Dilution and temperature have to be just so. Especially temperature. You need to heat up water to put the solution can in and occasionally take it out to re-heat the water. And you need to keep up heat the applicator hose. Definitely a summer, or heated indoor product. But.........it does come highly recommended. The Brits don't seem to use anything else. I don't know about other home-applied products, though when I did research earlier this year, others didn't leap out of Google. Hope this helps. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE You are subscribed as arado7 at sbcglobal.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From PhastPhill at aol.com Mon Aug 31 13:33:22 2009 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:33:22 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Rust never sleeps Message-ID: Keep your car long enough in the salt belt and it will rust. My 13 year old pick up is starting to degenerate. Most of the body is ok , but it's all the brake lines, fuel lines, brake parts, and fasteners that are rotting out. Our favourite treatment is a yearly oil spray. In side outside anywhere you can drill a hole or get at on a hoist with a sprayer. I let my truck go after a few years and I really should have keep at it. Spray it every year, or like the Tiger and the boat and bikes....put it away for the winter. From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Mon Aug 31 14:17:49 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:17:49 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rust never sleeps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A9C2FED.30605@SoCal.rr.com> Jim, and Tigers, I believe that once the "rust cancer" gets it's start, "overcoats" of a perfect sealer wouldn't cure existing deposits unless they are TOTALLY removed before application. In "sealed", and difficult access, areas this could be a very large problem. So, if it wasn't done before it's first salt encounter, it may never work. I have not heard of anyone cleaning internal and boxed areas before application, except (maybe) factory jobs. My 911S was low mileage California version, so no pockets of salt existed. Haven't we all heard of removed undercoat showing the rust beneath? Today's "factory jobs" have a significant head start over later applied materials simply because they trapped no previous salt. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Rollright at aol.com wrote: > Hello, > > I've had my Tiger since 1976 and had the rust cut out and new metal patched > in twice. With the compulsory new paint job. Massachusetts winters. > In our parts, there have been a number of anti-rust products with > muffler-shop style sales presentations: > Ziebart, Rusty Jones, Tuffcoat Dynal are just three that come to mind. As > one of our Listers pointed out, application was a variable that had a great > effect on the long term outcome. > > With today's superbly treated cars, all shops that I know of have > disappeared. There is no real rust problem with modern cars even in the salty > winters of our area. > > <==== snip ====> From mark.rense at ge.com Mon Aug 31 15:04:06 2009 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:04:06 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Rust never sleeps In-Reply-To: <4A9C2FED.30605@SoCal.rr.com> References: <4A9C2FED.30605@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: Hey gang, thanks for jogging a long-lost memory. Since we lived in the heart of the rust belt (Cleveland), my ol' man would get all his cars rust-proofed as soon as he bought them, mostly at a local joint called Mickey's. This discussion brought back very strong images of him taking me down to Mickey's on the Saturday right after he bought his blue Tiger, I couldn't have been more than twelve. I watched them drill the little holes, stick that wand in and then plugging the holes with plastic caps. It must have been fall, as the hard top was on the car. We drove out into the country for what seemed like hours afterward, his "excuse" was to help dry the rust proofing material. What I remember most was the smell of the goo they used, like pitch tar, and how much quieter the car seemed to be. That was a good day. I'm sure he also did that same thing to his later Tiger, I just don't remember that one very well as it was only with us a short while. It was traded in at Marshall Ford for a slightly used Cobra, no rust proofing needed. If anyone has a Tiger that came from NE Ohio and has/had rust proofing access holes, you may own one of his cars. I don't have any records of the VIN numbers. Bugz From jimboynton at comcast.net Mon Aug 31 15:51:35 2009 From: jimboynton at comcast.net (Jim Boynton) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:51:35 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Rust never sleeps In-Reply-To: References: <4A9C2FED.30605@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <005601ca2a85$360a6bb0$a21f4310$@net> Also living in the rust belt(NH) I remember in the 70's and 80's buying new cars and immediately rushing them to the local Ziebart Center before the odometer turned 100. Some guys in my area would oil their cars almost every Fall. In one of those weird pieces of coincidences I was cleaning out an old folder of car bills this afternoon from 20-30 years ago. You guys will appreciate this...I came across an old invoice from my local Chevy dealer dated 1/19/83 with the following notes: "Failed MVI...Rust rot holes in the floors." It was a 78 Chevy Vega that I had purchased used for my wife. IT HAD 57,900 miles on it. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 5:04 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rust never sleeps Hey gang, thanks for jogging a long-lost memory. Since we lived in the heart of the rust belt (Cleveland), my ol' man would get all his cars rust-proofed as soon as he bought them, mostly at a local joint called Mickey's. This discussion brought back very strong images of him taking me down to Mickey's on the Saturday right after he bought his blue Tiger, I couldn't have been more than twelve. I watched them drill the little holes, stick that wand in and then plugging the holes with plastic caps. It must have been fall, as the hard top was on the car. We drove out into the country for what seemed like hours afterward, his "excuse" was to help dry the rust proofing material. What I remember most was the smell of the goo they used, like pitch tar, and how much quieter the car seemed to be. That was a good day. I'm sure he also did that same thing to his later Tiger, I just don't remember that one very well as it was only with us a short while. It was traded in at Marshall Ford for a slightly used Cobra, no rust proofing needed. If anyone has a Tiger that came from NE Ohio and has/had rust proofing access holes, you may own one of his cars. I don't have any records of the VIN numbers. Bugz Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Aug 31 17:19:52 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:19:52 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Wow...some real characters. In-Reply-To: <000501ca2a33$245920c0$6d0b6240$@rr.com> References: <000501ca2a33$245920c0$6d0b6240$@rr.com> Message-ID: 2009/8/31 Samouce's > > BTW....I am 6'2", 220 lbs and am a hand to hand combat > instructor amongst other things in the military. Know you appoint you > keyboard warriors. > > > Hey Duke... you do contract work? ;-P -- Regards Michael King From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Mon Aug 31 19:32:11 2009 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:32:11 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Rust never sleeps In-Reply-To: <005601ca2a85$360a6bb0$a21f4310$@net> References: <4A9C2FED.30605@SoCal.rr.com> <005601ca2a85$360a6bb0$a21f4310$@net> Message-ID: <002001ca2aa4$07210c90$156325b0$@rr.com> "Hello Rusty Jones................................Goodbye Rusty Car" My dad had our brand new 1983 Dodge Aries K car Jonesified. I am sure it is long been rust free in the scrap yard. I can also recommend Waxoyl. I used it on the 1967 MGB/GT I restored, the stuff is great. You can still get it at Moss Motors in a kit for $110 - http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=31508&SortOrde r=3 Duke B382002037 From garywinblad at comcast.net Mon Aug 31 21:06:44 2009 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 03:06:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Rust never sleeps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <383446413.909721251774404306.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Being a California kid, I never knew about rust.. But in 1971 when I decided to spend my life savings (I was a poor college student) on a sports car and that the one I wanted was a Sunbeam Tiger... The first one I looked at was a red one I found in a newspaper ad. The owner told me where he parked it downtown (in our little town) and I could take a look there anytime. I took my more car savy younger brother to look at it. It looked pretty good to me, new soft-top, new tires, new exhaust. But my brother noticed some blisters on the rocker panel. I watched as he wrapped a knuckle on the panel to see how bad it was. We both watched in horror as a hole the size of my fist popped open! Needless to say we hightailed it out of there.. and I was happy I didn't give the guy my phone number.. apologies if you are on this list ;-) Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Rense (GE Indust, ConsInd) To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:04:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rust never sleeps Hey gang, thanks for jogging a long-lost memory. Since we lived in the heart of the rust belt (Cleveland), my ol' man would get all his cars rust-proofed as soon as he bought them, mostly at a local joint called Mickey's. This discussion brought back very strong images of him taking me down to Mickey's on the Saturday right after he bought his blue Tiger, I couldn't have been more than twelve. I watched them drill the little holes, stick that wand in and then plugging the holes with plastic caps. It must have been fall, as the hard top was on the car. We drove out into the country for what seemed like hours afterward, his "excuse" was to help dry the rust proofing material. What I remember most was the smell of the goo they used, like pitch tar, and how much quieter the car seemed to be. That was a good day. I'm sure he also did that same thing to his later Tiger, I just don't remember that one very well as it was only with us a short while. It was traded in at Marshall Ford for a slightly used Cobra, no rust proofing needed. If anyone has a Tiger that came from NE Ohio and has/had rust proofing access holes, you may own one of his cars. I don't have any records of the VIN numbers. Bugz Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From garywinblad at comcast.net Mon Aug 31 21:06:44 2009 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 03:06:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Rust never sleeps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <383446413.909721251774404306.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Being a California kid, I never knew about rust.. But in 1971 when I decided to spend my life savings (I was a poor college student) on a sports car and that the one I wanted was a Sunbeam Tiger... The first one I looked at was a red one I found in a newspaper ad. The owner told me where he parked it downtown (in our little town) and I could take a look there anytime. I took my more car savy younger brother to look at it. It looked pretty good to me, new soft-top, new tires, new exhaust. But my brother noticed some blisters on the rocker panel. I watched as he wrapped a knuckle on the panel to see how bad it was. We both watched in horror as a hole the size of my fist popped open! Needless to say we hightailed it out of there.. and I was happy I didn't give the guy my phone number.. apologies if you are on this list ;-) Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Rense (GE Indust, ConsInd) To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:04:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rust never sleeps Hey gang, thanks for jogging a long-lost memory. Since we lived in the heart of the rust belt (Cleveland), my ol' man would get all his cars rust-proofed as soon as he bought them, mostly at a local joint called Mickey's. This discussion brought back very strong images of him taking me down to Mickey's on the Saturday right after he bought his blue Tiger, I couldn't have been more than twelve. I watched them drill the little holes, stick that wand in and then plugging the holes with plastic caps. It must have been fall, as the hard top was on the car. We drove out into the country for what seemed like hours afterward, his "excuse" was to help dry the rust proofing material. What I remember most was the smell of the goo they used, like pitch tar, and how much quieter the car seemed to be. That was a good day. I'm sure he also did that same thing to his later Tiger, I just don't remember that one very well as it was only with us a short while. It was traded in at Marshall Ford for a slightly used Cobra, no rust proofing needed. If anyone has a Tiger that came from NE Ohio and has/had rust proofing access holes, you may own one of his cars. I don't have any records of the VIN numbers. Bugz Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive