From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Apr 1 08:01:44 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:01:44 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] V6 Alpine? References: <8A503928C07C4FE390CA254E2775B913@XPDESKTOP> Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905255@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Until 1976 I lived in the Netherlands. In our neighborhood there were two very nice series 1 Capris. One was a 2000 GT and the other an RS2600. Never owned one (came close on a '73 2600 once), but I've had a soft spot for those cars ever since. On the whole Alpine vs. Tiger thing... In an autocross there is much more focus on how nimble the chassis is and balancing the engine power against the requirement to maintain maximum lateral G, with the available contact patch. An Alpine that can make more use of its total power output (percentage wise) and that has a quicker turn-in response due to less overall inertia on the front end, could definitely be competitive against a Tiger especially if the Tiger was not prepared or driven with equal skill. How many people take the time to really dial in the part-throttle drivability of their engine, especially with a view to having the carb work properly in any high-lateral-G situation? On the other hand, in road racing you typically spend over half the time with the throttle pinned wide open, and the Tiger has an unbeatable advantage over the Alpine there. In a wheel to wheel racing situation between two cars that can achieve equal track time, where one has the better handling and the other the greater power, the car with greater power will generally finish ahead of the one with the better handling simply because it's nearly impossible to out-corner a nearly equal car to such a great extent that you can pass them in a turn (around the outside!) and avoid them passing you on the next straight. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ramon Spontelli > Sent: March 31, 2009 8:41 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] V6 Alpine? > > << Plus, how many speed parts have you seen in your Jegs > catalog for a Ford V6?>> > > Ahem! > > Well, OK, maybe nothing in Jegs, but . . . If you hang out on > the Capri list for a while, you will learn that the European > markets in the early- to mid-seventies cranked out more > go-fast goodies for the little Ford six-banger than most of > us could ever hope to afford. Just for example: > > > http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/1964/Ford-Capri-RS-Cosworth.html > > > Ramon > > (still missing the '76 Black Cat) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From maliburevue at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 08:59:49 2009 From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Driveshaft U-joints Message-ID: <594391.17989.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anybody out there have a manufacturer and part number for the driveshaft u-joints? Thanks. From zymmer4 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 09:10:39 2009 From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] V6 Alpine? non tiger? Message-ID: <51771.12289.qm@web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Theo, Well written.. I had the good fortune to own a 2000GT in England in 1972..It had the mid throttle response that you spoke of. I also own a car today, that exhibs that same mid engine resopnse..1997 Saab 900 S. If the Alpine V-6 has the same mid engine response as the 900S, it is indeed a fierce auto cross car. The Saab must have an awsome cylinder head-cam combination! Howard The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Smit, Theo wrote: From: Smit, Theo Subject: Re: [Tigers] V6 Alpine? To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 11:01 AM Until 1976 I lived in the Netherlands. In our neighborhood there were two very nice series 1 Capris. One was a 2000 GT and the other an RS2600. Never owned one (came close on a '73 2600 once), but I've had a soft spot for those cars ever since. On the whole Alpine vs. Tiger thing... In an autocross there is much more focus on how nimble the chassis is and balancing the engine power against the requirement to maintain maximum lateral G, with the available contact patch. An Alpine that can make more use of its total power output (percentage wise) and that has a quicker turn-in response due to less overall inertia on the front end, could definitely be competitive against a Tiger especially if the Tiger was not prepared or driven with equal skill. How many people take the time to really dial in the part-throttle drivability of their engine, especially with a view to having the carb work properly in any high-lateral-G situation? On the other hand, in road racing you typically spend over half the time with the throttle pinned wide open, and the Tiger has an unbeatable advantage over the Alpine there. In a wheel to wheel racing situation between two cars that can achieve equal track time, where one has the better handling and the other the greater power, the car with greater power will generally finish ahead of the one with the better handling simply because it's nearly impossible to out-corner a nearly equal car to such a great extent that you can pass them in a turn (around the outside!) and avoid them passing you on the next straight. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ramon Spontelli > Sent: March 31, 2009 8:41 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] V6 Alpine? > > << Plus, how many speed parts have you seen in your Jegs > catalog for a Ford V6?>> > > Ahem! > > Well, OK, maybe nothing in Jegs, but . . . If you hang out on > the Capri list for a while, you will learn that the European > markets in the early- to mid-seventies cranked out more > go-fast goodies for the little Ford six-banger than most of > us could ever hope to afford. Just for example: > > > http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/car/1964/Ford-Capri-RS-Cosworth.html > > > Ramon > > (still missing the '76 Black Cat) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From mark.rense at ge.com Wed Apr 1 10:17:09 2009 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:17:09 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] V6 Alpine? In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905255@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> References: <8A503928C07C4FE390CA254E2775B913@XPDESKTOP> <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905255@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: A couple random notes of semi-interest: On Capris: I had two Capris, the first was burnt yellow and had the Pinto engine in it, was slow and sounded like a Willys Jeep when it wound out, had very numb steering. The second one was a red 2.6, it was a much better car but in my teenage hands it was a poor stoplight racer, especially with big block Chevelles lurking about, so I sold it and bought, yep, a big block Chevelle. Never appreciated that little car, or any other, at that age, but that German 2.6 was pretty bullet-proof. It eventually grew to 4.0 and was the main Ford small six in every Ranger and Explorer for years, so there are plenty of them to go around. On Alpine vs Tiger: Theo is correct. I was involved in ProSolo racing back in the late '70's, and built a very wicked Scirocco to complete in the MA class. It had a full race suspension, locker diff, slicks, a Calloway turbo engine, and nothing inside but a roll cage and race seat. At 1400 lbs. and with 250+ HP it was a great track car...and a lousy parking lot racer. Why? That turbo engine was too hard to control at the precise turn-in balance points needed to go fast on a tight circuit. For the next season I built a 2.2 liter stroker for the car, much less HP but a nice broad torque curve, and with it came the trophies. So given the circumstances, horsepower does not always win over a well-balanced vehicle. Bugz -----Original Message----- From: Smit, Theo Subject: Re: [Tigers] V6 Alpine? On the whole Alpine vs. Tiger thing... In an autocross there is much more focus on how nimble the chassis is and balancing the engine power against the requirement to maintain maximum lateral G, with the available contact patch. An Alpine that can make more use of its total power output (percentage wise) and that has a quicker turn-in response due to less overall inertia on the front end, could definitely be competitive against a Tiger especially if the Tiger was not prepared or driven with equal skill. How many people take the time to really dial in the part-throttle drivability of their engine, especially with a view to having the carb work properly in any high-lateral-G situation? From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Wed Apr 1 15:06:38 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 15:06:38 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Driveshaft U-joints In-Reply-To: <594391.17989.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <594391.17989.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49D3E56E.7090705@SoCal.rr.com> Sure, Gary, Read TigersUnited.com. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/10-PF-PropellorShaft.pdf The complete Tiger Mk I / IA Parts List is shown and readable in whole or part as PDF. (section PF - propeller shaft) The Drive shaft itself 1224748 Flange Yoke 5042793 Ford C3A2-4841-G + Sleeve Yoke Assembly Dana 5.153X Journal & Bearing Pack 5042795 + gasket, circlip, misc nuts and bolts. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Gary wrote: > Anybody out there have a manufacturer and part number for the driveshaft u-joints? Thanks. From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Apr 1 15:23:23 2009 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Driveshaft U-joints References: <594391.17989.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49D3E56E.7090705@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <359609.3218.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> One thing to watch out for is I think the tiger orig. diff yoke (Pinion spline) is a 10 spline or something close and if a late model pinion spline is 26 (some might also be 29) on the Dana 44's. http://www.drivetrainspecialists.com/search.php?query=5-153X&s=a&view=list&so rt=releva I think is the part mentioned below. Should be common 1310 Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Steve Laifman To: Gary Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 3:06:38 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Driveshaft U-joints Sure, Gary, Read TigersUnited.com. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/10-PF-PropellorS haft.pdf The complete Tiger Mk I / IA Parts List is shown and readable in whole or part as PDF. (section PF - propeller shaft) The Drive shaft itself 1224748 Flange Yoke 5042793 Ford C3A2-4841-G + Sleeve Yoke Assembly Dana 5.153X Journal & Bearing Pack 5042795 + gasket, circlip, misc nuts and bolts. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Gary wrote: > Anybody out there have a manufacturer and part number for the driveshaft u-joints? Thanks. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From drmayf at mayfco.com Wed Apr 1 16:27:07 2009 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:27:07 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Driveshaft U-joints In-Reply-To: <359609.3218.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <594391.17989.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49D3E56E.7090705@SoCal.rr.com> <359609.3218.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49D3F84B.60901@mayfco.com> for anyone wanting to dig through the parts counter with old part numbers...here are some for the u-joints from my old Cat Shop Notes.. NEAPCO P/N 285900 Spicer P/N 5-153Y TRW P/N 20049 Heavy Duty U-joints Wesco P/N 201554 Republic Gear P/N CB-1270C A stock chevy part with grease fitting. Enjoy, lol.. mayf Sandy Ganz wrote: >One thing to watch out for is I think the tiger orig. diff yoke (Pinion >spline) is a 10 spline or something close and if a late model pinion spline is >26 (some might also be 29) on the Dana 44's. >http://www.drivetrainspecialists.com/search.php?query=5-153X&s=a&view=list&so >rt=releva > >I think is the part mentioned below. Should be common 1310 > >Sandy >----- Original Message ---- >From: Steve Laifman >To: >Gary >Cc: tigers at autox.team.net >Sent: Wednesday, April >1, 2009 3:06:38 PM >Subject: Re: [Tigers] Driveshaft U-joints > >Sure, Gary, >Read TigersUnited.com. >http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/10-PF-PropellorS >haft.pdf > >The complete Tiger Mk I / IA Parts List is shown and readable in >whole or part as PDF. (section PF - propeller shaft) > >The Drive shaft itself >1224748 > >Flange Yoke 5042793 Ford C3A2-4841-G + Sleeve >Yoke Assembly Dana 5.153X > >Journal & Bearing Pack 5042795 > >+ gasket, >circlip, misc nuts and bolts. > >Steve > > >___ >Steve Laifman >Editor - >TigersUnited.com > > > > >Gary wrote: > >>Anybody out >> >there have a manufacturer and part number for the driveshaft u-joints? Thanks. >_______________________________________________ From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 18:29:30 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 12:29:30 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] thunderbird not sunbeam? Message-ID: I saw this on flickr... i'm trying to work it out. They say : "Shelby Sunbeam Tiger".. and we all know the issues with that.. but. Look at the firewall.. doesnt match alpine or tiger.. it looks like they have placed a V8 in without tucking it under the scuttle, but the scuttle also looks a little shallow.. have they cut it back to just give a straight engine compartment? It also seems to have a ford thunderbird grille and headlamp eyebrows and the rear wing shows ellements of 55 thunderbird panel pressing.. and the bonet is all wrong for a sunbeam too. have they taged this wrong and its actually a thunderbird hotrod? im leaning towards thinking this is a modified T-bird and not a sunbeam at all. http://www.flickr.com/photos/27587130 at N02/3404959991/sizes/l/ -- Regards Michael King From maliburevue at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 18:41:58 2009 From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 18:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Driveshaft U-joints Message-ID: <394129.44984.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for your help with the u-joints. Picked them up at Pepboys for $8.99, Neapco 1-0153. --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Gary wrote: From: Gary Subject: Driveshaft U-joints To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:59 AM Anybody out there have a manufacturer and part number for the driveshaft u-joints? Thanks. From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Wed Apr 1 20:04:58 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 20:04:58 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] thunderbird not sunbeam? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49D42B5A.8020003@SoCal.rr.com> Got to admit, Michael, those were interesting observations. It isn't any wonder that you might get T-Bird vibes from the car, Tiger/Alpine later designs indeed emulated the 1955+ T-Bird's. There are many "Cobra-like" manifestations as well. The firewall has been moved back A LOT. The firewall mods to contain a larger block, the Cobra style oil cooler, the external pipes, etc. Of course the Doane Spencer Tiger was raced under *his* number, #55, and can be seen at http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z12466/Sunbeam-Tiger.aspx Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com michael king wrote: > I saw this on flickr... i'm trying to work it out. > > They say : "Shelby Sunbeam Tiger".. and we all know the issues with that.. > but. > > Look at the firewall.. doesnt match alpine or tiger.. it looks like they > have placed a V8 in without tucking it under the scuttle, but the scuttle > also looks a little shallow.. have they cut it back to just give a straight > engine compartment? It also seems to have a ford thunderbird grille and > headlamp eyebrows and the rear wing shows ellements of 55 thunderbird panel > pressing.. and the bonet is all wrong for a sunbeam too. > > have they taged this wrong and its actually a thunderbird hotrod? im leaning > towards thinking this is a modified T-bird and not a sunbeam at all. > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/27587130 at N02/3404959991/sizes/l/ From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Apr 2 07:58:54 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 10:58:54 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] thunderbird not sunbeam? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <11958D3DE837485E810A2A819CED3035@ronpc1> Michael It looks like a 55 T-Bird to me in all respects. Would need a couple more pictures and views to confirm. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:30 PM To: Beamclub Subject: [Tigers] thunderbird not sunbeam? I saw this on flickr... i'm trying to work it out. They say : "Shelby Sunbeam Tiger".. and we all know the issues with that.. but. Look at the firewall.. doesnt match alpine or tiger.. it looks like they have placed a V8 in without tucking it under the scuttle, but the scuttle also looks a little shallow.. have they cut it back to just give a straight engine compartment? It also seems to have a ford thunderbird grille and headlamp eyebrows and the rear wing shows ellements of 55 thunderbird panel pressing.. and the bonet is all wrong for a sunbeam too. have they taged this wrong and its actually a thunderbird hotrod? im leaning towards thinking this is a modified T-bird and not a sunbeam at all. http://www.flickr.com/photos/27587130 at N02/3404959991/sizes/l/ -- Regards Michael King No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.35/2034 - Release Date: 04/01/09 06:06:00 From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 08:35:38 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 08:35:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] thunderbird not sunbeam? Message-ID: <567083.73178.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For what its worth, IMO, the car appears to be a very modified S3 Alpine. They have moulded the entire front end while keeping the stock parking lights and the firewall was made to make engine fitment much easier than a stock Tiger. It would be nice to have seen pics as the work progressed. Im sure the car is a go fast SOB and the Shelby affilation is used to draw more attention to this unusual one of a kind Sunbeam.It seems all cars from the mid 50s and the next decade had similarties when you look at the tail lights in FIN formation. TtT From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Apr 2 09:18:25 2009 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 12:18:25 EDT Subject: [Tigers] thunderbird not sunbeam? Message-ID: The width of the seats and the space between the seats does make it seem wider than a Tiger would be. Mark **************New Low Prices on Dell Laptops b Starting at $399 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433304x1201394525/aol?redir=http :%2F%2Fad.doubl eclick.net%2Fclk%3B213540718%3B35046385%3Be) From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Apr 2 09:27:24 2009 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:27:24 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] thunderbird not sunbeam? In-Reply-To: <567083.73178.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <567083.73178.qm@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49D4E76C.6010309@mayfco.com> FWIW. when I look at the car, I see a 55 bird. Looking at the rear fenders, they have the characteristic shape of the 55 and 56 birds. When I look at the hood attachment it looks like a ford product. It does not have the piece to which the sunbeam hinges attach. And I may be wrong, but weren't the parking light on the early birds round like that as well? I think it would be cool if someone chopped up an early bird and claimed it was a Sunbeam, lol... And claimed some affiliation with Shelby to boot. The grill piece also looks like a Bird in shape. It may even be a glass replica of one and that has been heavily modified. A rear view shot and some other pics as well would help. I wonder if the owner will share? Probably only if the restorationists don't nibble him to death (either the sunbeam or t-bird purists). I think it is a cool car! mayf Tony Somebody wrote: >For what its worth, IMO, the car appears to be a very modified S3 Alpine. They have moulded the entire front end while keeping the stock parking lights and the firewall was made to make engine fitment much easier than a stock Tiger. It would be nice to have seen pics as the work progressed. Im sure the car is a go fast SOB and the Shelby affilation is used to draw more attention to this unusual one of a kind Sunbeam.It seems all cars from the mid 50s and the next decade had similarties when you look at the tail lights in FIN formation. >TtT >_______________________________________________ From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Thu Apr 2 10:09:22 2009 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 13:09:22 EDT Subject: [Tigers] thunderbird not sunbeam? Message-ID: I must have missed something. Can someone post the site to see pics of this? Thanks In a message dated 4/2/2009 9:28:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, drmayf at mayfco.com writes: FWIW. when I look at the car, I see a 55 bird. Looking at the rear fenders, they have the characteristic shape of the 55 and 56 birds. When I look at the hood attachment it looks like a ford product. It does not have the piece to which the sunbeam hinges attach. And I may be wrong, but weren't the parking light on the early birds round like that as well? I think it would be cool if someone chopped up an early bird and claimed it was a Sunbeam, lol... And claimed some affiliation with Shelby to boot. The grill piece also looks like a Bird in shape. It may even be a glass replica of one and that has been heavily modified. A rear view shot and some other pics as well would help. I wonder if the owner will share? Probably only if the restorationists don't nibble him to death (either the sunbeam or t-bird purists). I think it is a cool car! mayf Tony Somebody wrote: >For what its worth, IMO, the car appears to be a very modified S3 Alpine. They have moulded the entire front end while keeping the stock parking lights and the firewall was made to make engine fitment much easier than a stock Tiger. It would be nice to have seen pics as the work progressed. Im sure the car is a go fast SOB and the Shelby affilation is used to draw more attention to this unusual one of a kind Sunbeam.It seems all cars from the mid 50s and the next decade had similarties when you look at the tail lights in FIN formation. >TtT >_______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003) From jim at island.net Thu Apr 2 11:39:08 2009 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 11:39:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] thunderbird not sunbeam? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7F7EAD2636364E2C929E7A9E0E9DABC8@JIMPC> I'd say it looks more 'Thunderbird' ... There is a crease running below the door handle from the front fender all the way back that's T-bird all the way... Here's a side shot for comparison... http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-1950-1959/1956-Ford-Thunderbird-green-lot. jpg Jim -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king Sent: April 1, 2009 6:30 PM To: Beamclub Subject: [Tigers] thunderbird not sunbeam? I saw this on flickr... i'm trying to work it out. They say : "Shelby Sunbeam Tiger".. and we all know the issues with that.. but. Look at the firewall.. doesnt match alpine or tiger.. it looks like they have placed a V8 in without tucking it under the scuttle, but the scuttle also looks a little shallow.. have they cut it back to just give a straight engine compartment? It also seems to have a ford thunderbird grille and headlamp eyebrows and the rear wing shows ellements of 55 thunderbird panel pressing.. and the bonet is all wrong for a sunbeam too. have they taged this wrong and its actually a thunderbird hotrod? im leaning towards thinking this is a modified T-bird and not a sunbeam at all. http://www.flickr.com/photos/27587130 at N02/3404959991/sizes/l/ -- Regards Michael King Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Apr 2 11:57:13 2009 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:57:13 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] thunderbird not sunbeam? In-Reply-To: <7F7EAD2636364E2C929E7A9E0E9DABC8@JIMPC> References: <7F7EAD2636364E2C929E7A9E0E9DABC8@JIMPC> Message-ID: <49D50A88.4070604@mayfco.com> Yup, a 56. 55 didn't have continental kit. round parking lights, similar but different grill surround. I suspect a replica glass body on the number 55 car... Nobody cuts up a real 55 to make a cheaper heavily modified sunbaem, lol... mayf Jim wrote: >I'd say it looks more 'Thunderbird' ... >There is a crease running below the door handle from the front fender all >the way back that's T-bird all the way... >Here's a side shot for comparison... >http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-1950-1959/1956-Ford-Thunderbird-green-lot. >jpg > > > >Jim > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] >On Behalf Of michael king >Sent: April 1, 2009 6:30 PM >To: Beamclub >Subject: [Tigers] thunderbird not sunbeam? > >I saw this on flickr... i'm trying to work it out. > >They say : "Shelby Sunbeam Tiger".. and we all know the issues with that.. >but. > >Look at the firewall.. doesnt match alpine or tiger.. it looks like they >have placed a V8 in without tucking it under the scuttle, but the scuttle >also looks a little shallow.. have they cut it back to just give a straight >engine compartment? It also seems to have a ford thunderbird grille and >headlamp eyebrows and the rear wing shows ellements of 55 thunderbird panel >pressing.. and the bonet is all wrong for a sunbeam too. > >have they taged this wrong and its actually a thunderbird hotrod? im leaning >towards thinking this is a modified T-bird and not a sunbeam at all. > > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/27587130 at N02/3404959991/sizes/l/ From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Thu Apr 2 12:12:20 2009 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:12:20 EDT Subject: [Tigers] thunderbird not sunbeam? Message-ID: Bird. Sunbeam headlight slopes down mid fender. Had a 55 Bird when I was a pup. It grew legs. In a message dated 4/2/2009 11:57:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, drmayf at mayfco.com writes: Yup, a 56. 55 didn't have continental kit. round parking lights, similar but different grill surround. I suspect a replica glass body on the number 55 car... Nobody cuts up a real 55 to make a cheaper heavily modified sunbaem, lol... mayf Jim wrote: >I'd say it looks more 'Thunderbird' ... >There is a crease running below the door handle from the front fender all >the way back that's T-bird all the way... >Here's a side shot for comparison... >http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-1950-1959/1956-Ford-Thunderbird-green-lot. >jpg > > > >Jim > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] >On Behalf Of michael king >Sent: April 1, 2009 6:30 PM >To: Beamclub >Subject: [Tigers] thunderbird not sunbeam? > >I saw this on flickr... i'm trying to work it out. > >They say : "Shelby Sunbeam Tiger".. and we all know the issues with that.. >but. > >Look at the firewall.. doesnt match alpine or tiger.. it looks like they >have placed a V8 in without tucking it under the scuttle, but the scuttle >also looks a little shallow.. have they cut it back to just give a straight >engine compartment? It also seems to have a ford thunderbird grille and >headlamp eyebrows and the rear wing shows ellements of 55 thunderbird panel >pressing.. and the bonet is all wrong for a sunbeam too. > >have they taged this wrong and its actually a thunderbird hotrod? im leaning >towards thinking this is a modified T-bird and not a sunbeam at all. > > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/27587130 at N02/3404959991/sizes/l/ Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003) From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Apr 2 12:14:42 2009 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:14:42 EDT Subject: [Tigers] thunderbird not sunbeam? Message-ID: "Nobody cuts up a real 55 to make a cheaper heavily modified sunbaem, lol..." In 2009 who can be sure. 10 years ago typical 55 and 56 T-Birds were 3 times the price of a Tiger. Now, if you watch sales and auctions, they are pretty close to even in value. Mark **************New Low Prices on Dell Laptops b Starting at $399 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433304x1201394525/aol?redir=http :%2F%2Fad.doubl eclick.net%2Fclk%3B213540718%3B35046385%3Be) From atwittsend at verizon.net Thu Apr 2 12:22:33 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 12:22:33 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] thunderbird not sunbeam? References: Message-ID: <63CD36D2F1324F06859F919099EC3CCE@student2> If you look at the top of the flared rear wheel well you will see a convex body line running to the rear of the car. That is to the round T-Bird tail light. If memory serves me correct there were fiberglass 55-57 T-bird replica kit one could buy. This probably is one of those. That would help to explain the firewall. Tom From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Apr 2 12:27:02 2009 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:27:02 EDT Subject: [Tigers] thunderbird not sunbeam? Message-ID: So, the owner calls it a Tiger. I don't think we can see one piece on the car that is Tiger specific. He could just as easily called it a Corvette. So, it's probably a done-over T-Bird that is called a Tiger. At the next car show it could be called something else:-) Mark **************New Low Prices on Dell Laptops b Starting at $399 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433304x1201394525/aol?redir=http :%2F%2Fad.doubl eclick.net%2Fclk%3B213540718%3B35046385%3Be) From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Thu Apr 2 12:37:29 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 12:37:29 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] thunderbird not sunbeam? In-Reply-To: References: <49D42B5A.8020003@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <49D513F9.5040903@SoCal.rr.com> On the other hand, Mayf had some interesting observations, so I pulled up this familiar pic to compare to Michael's posting: http://www.flickr.com/photos/27587130 at N02/3404959991/sizes/l/ It is pretty familiar to us, and at about the same angle, Old 74 Alpine championed by Don Sessler: http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/chassisNum.aspx?carID=12466&iDNumID=3638 and: http://www.seriouswheels.com/1960-1969/1964-Sunbeam-Alpine-Racecar-White-Black-Stripes-FA.htm It is fairly clear that the car is a homage to Don's racing Alpine. It is a very handsome "replicar", but T-Bird based, with some custom glass work. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com From chris at cthompson.net Thu Apr 2 13:22:41 2009 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:22:41 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] thunderbird not sunbeam? In-Reply-To: <49D513F9.5040903@SoCal.rr.com> References: <49D42B5A.8020003@SoCal.rr.com> <49D513F9.5040903@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <49D51E91.5060309@cthompson.net> I think whoever posted this thought it was a Tiger, not the owner. It's clearly a Thunderbird, and that the owner was trying to pay homage to the Cobra, not the Tiger (nor Alpine), as evidenced by the snakes on the seats, and the tag on the firewall that clearly says "Cobra". Guess he hasn't heard about what Shelby thinks about that kind of thing these days..... Chris B382000331 Steve Laifman wrote: > On the other hand, > > Mayf had some interesting observations, so I pulled up this familiar > pic to compare to Michael's posting: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/27587130 at N02/3404959991/sizes/l/ > > It is pretty familiar to us, and at about the same angle, Old 74 > Alpine championed by Don Sessler: > > http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/chassisNum.aspx?carID=12466&iDNumID=3638 > > > > and: > > http://www.seriouswheels.com/1960-1969/1964-Sunbeam-Alpine-Racecar-White-Black-Stripes-FA.htm > > > It is fairly clear that the car is a homage to Don's racing Alpine. > It is a very handsome "replicar", but T-Bird based, with some custom > glass work. > > Steve From dsmtjoy at cox.net Thu Apr 2 14:02:33 2009 From: dsmtjoy at cox.net (Mountjoy) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 14:02:33 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] thunderbird not sunbeam? References: Message-ID: <3F472C8DBB554CE5B9F6988B280641F6@computer> Michael & others, There's no Sunbeam heritage here. It's **possible** to make a Lamo from a Fiat 500, too ! That's about as likely as the car in question beginning as a Sunbeam or a Shelby. The car in question began life as a (most probably) '55 Thunderbird (note the #55 in the roundel and the windscreen sticker.). It could have begun life as a '56 but that would have necessitated more body work, like filling in the cowl vent doors. The data plate is kind-of in the right place but isn't of Thunderbird configuration... looks more like Shelby configuration to me. Hope it's stamped "P5FH xxxxxx" or the DMV just might get a little too interested. There's an awful lot of work done to try to make the car something it isn't. Too bad. Darrell (Been around, restored & judged Birds since '57 and still have my two originals.) Original message--------- > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 12:29:30 +1100 > From: michael king > Subject: [Tigers] thunderbird not sunbeam? > To: Beamclub > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I saw this on flickr... i'm trying to work it out. > > They say : "Shelby Sunbeam Tiger".. and we all know the issues with that.. > but. > > Look at the firewall.. doesnt match alpine or tiger.. it looks like they > have placed a V8 in without tucking it under the scuttle, but the scuttle > also looks a little shallow.. have they cut it back to just give a > straight > engine compartment? It also seems to have a ford thunderbird grille and > headlamp eyebrows and the rear wing shows ellements of 55 thunderbird > panel > pressing.. and the bonet is all wrong for a sunbeam too. > > have they taged this wrong and its actually a thunderbird hotrod? im > leaning > towards thinking this is a modified T-bird and not a sunbeam at all. > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/27587130 at N02/3404959991/sizes/l/ > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > > > ------------------------------ From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 16:54:36 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 16:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] thunderbird not sunbeam? Message-ID: <724180.96061.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well whatever the car is and Im not sure the owner knows. At least it cause some traffic on the LIST. Now if I could only remember the question I wanted to ask everyone. Maybe in tomorrows call back. TtT From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 18:54:00 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:54:00 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Motorsport some tigers Message-ID: Recently down under its been our motor racing season, I have uploaded a bunch of pictures from the Phillip Island Histric meeting and also the Austrlian Grand Prix if people are interested. The Historics have cobras, alpiens and tigers as well as ferraris, De-tomasos, Sauber group C's etc.. unfortunatly a very wet weekend. The F1's has the modern F1's.. historics demonstrations (D-types, alfas, bugattis etc..) Phillip Island Historics: http://rides.webshots.com/album/570554440sihYCU sunbeams: http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2313987240054462410Qupkys http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2630058380054462410CdOOdg http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2285565820054462410bpXUbx** *http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2042945460054462410YskTpn* ** list member wally menke: http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2833666460054462410EsojpB ** AGP F1: http://rides.webshots.com/album/570742580DBXDgz AGP Historics: http://rides.webshots.com/album/570739021bguCir -- Regards Michael King From tsmit at shaw.ca Thu Apr 2 18:54:39 2009 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (THEO SMIT) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 19:54:39 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] thunderbird not sunbeam? In-Reply-To: <724180.96061.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <724180.96061.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Would it eat Alpines _and_ Tigers? ;) Theo From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Thu Apr 2 19:52:23 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 19:52:23 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] thunderbird not sunbeam? In-Reply-To: References: <724180.96061.qm@web30403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49D579E7.5090604@SoCal.rr.com> Good Question, Theo. It is interesting to recall some history. In the early days of the T-Bird, and the Corvette, none were really "sports cars". Ford insisted it was a "personal car" with bench seats, and Chevy had their mighty small block 6 and 2 spd auto in it. Hardly competitive. Some 50 years later, the Corvette has really competitive models, and my 50th anniversary T-Bird is built upon the Jaguar V-8 engine and chassis (although Ford never seems to mention it). Now consider the Alpine S series, It emulated, some 9 years later, the body design of the T-Bird. In 1964-5 the Tiger was created, with a Ford engine, as well as strongly T-Bird lines. More competitive than any Thunderbird, but a clear homage in body style. The "mixed signals" coming from the T not S pics, including the racy aluminum hood and the old #74 Alpine championed by Don Sessler: http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/chassisNum.aspx?carID=12466&iDNumID=3638 is a homage to what! Certainly Shelby gets his flag flown, without any connection to the T-Bird whatsoever. Knowing his history, it is doubtful he ever owned one. Sure took up a lot of the list bandwidth, but it was fun. ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com THEO SMIT wrote: > Would it eat Alpines _and_ Tigers? > > ;) > > Theo From Timothy.Ronak at akzonobel.com Thu Apr 2 23:46:13 2009 From: Timothy.Ronak at akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 02:46:13 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Selling my car Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF0BDBC8AC@norn32.d30.intra> Listers, I have come to the conclusion that it is time to part with B382000680 the power train is relatively new and it has the 349.6 cubic inch stroker motor. It made 381 HP at the wheels and is quite a thrilling rocket ship. Not sure what I will ask but thinking $36K with the truckload of extra bits I have including an excellent original hardtop complete with furflex. If you know someone looking it is the perfect car to drive confidently. It will need a Paint job. But mechanically it is completely new. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings, Inc. 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 PH: 949-305-5393 Cell: 949-289-3357 FX: 425-955-6268 Email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal Email: timronak at cox.net If you received this message in error please inform the sender and delete the message. From atwittsend at verizon.net Fri Apr 3 09:03:57 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 09:03:57 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Selling my car References: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF0BDBC8AC@norn32.d30.intra> Message-ID: <1A655CB6AEE04B9FAD93E54804D45F3E@student2> Tim, Your enthusiasm and interest in the Tiger has not gone unnoticed. You have contributed much. I'm sure your decision to sell was thought out and personal. I hope you decide to continue to make your presence know with or without a car. Thanks and all the best. Tom Witt From dave at munroe.ca Fri Apr 3 11:09:10 2009 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 18:09:10 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Selling my car Message-ID: <566238913-1238778619-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-803294488-@bxe1094.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Tim; What he said! Dave ------Original Message------ From: Thomas Witt Sender: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: 3 Apr 2009 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Selling my car Tim, Your enthusiasm and interest in the Tiger has not gone unnoticed. You have contributed much. I'm sure your decision to sell was thought out and personal. I hope you decide to continue to make your presence know with or without a car. Thanks and all the best. Tom Witt Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network From CoolVT at aol.com Fri Apr 3 17:30:12 2009 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 20:30:12 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Selling my car Message-ID: Don't you think the list members should be taking a vote to determine if he'll be allowed to sell? Tim, this isn't going to make us happy. Mark L In a message dated 4/3/2009 8:24:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dave at munroe.ca writes: Tim; What he said! Dave ------Original Message------ From: Thomas Witt Sender: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: 3 Apr 2009 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Selling my car Tim, Your enthusiasm and interest in the Tiger has not gone unnoticed. You have contributed much. I'm sure your decision to sell was thought out and personal. I hope you decide to continue to make your presence know with or without a car. Thanks and all the best. Tom Witt Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Hurry! April 15th is almost here. File your Federal taxes FREE with TaxACT. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220714320x1201367638/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.taxact.com%2F08tax.asp%3Fsc%3D084102950001%26p%3D82) From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Fri Apr 3 13:08:15 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 13:08:15 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Beaulieu Calendar of Events Message-ID: <49D66CAF.8020306@SoCal.rr.com> Tigers, Just received the Beaulieu (pronounced "Be-u-lee") Calendar of events. For those who do not know, the Beaulieu National Motor Museum is the premiers location for the British sporting car (and motorcycle) exhibit. It contains the world record breaking Sunbeam, as well as displays a great variety of interesting vehicles. While there were Sunbeam (SAOC) events on 1-3 Aug., 2008 http://www.beaulieu.co.uk/templates/ld_templates/layout_261.aspx?ObjectId=142 there are interesting ones this year, and this Museum is a must see for enthusiasts anytime. The Calendar of Events is at: http://www.beaulieu.co.uk/ipus/beaulieu/events2009 Their main site is: http://www.beaulieu.co.uk/ipus/beaulieu/index Watch the top banner slide show (Sunbeam Record Car shown - RED), play the movie on the title page. This really is the authentic epitome of perfection. When I was there I went to the Lucas display of Lighting Thru the Auto Years. Displays of every type of Lucas lamp from acetylene through P-100's and on. Sure authentic, not ONE of them worked as it was designed to do. DARK is thy Name. Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com From sralsten at ca.rr.com Fri Apr 3 11:31:00 2009 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 14:31:00 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Formby treatment ? Message-ID: <20090403183100.3PZMK.50498.root@cdptpa-web05-z01> Tiger steering wheel for sale on ebay item 120398675297 looks better than most. The seller's ad says with a Formby treatment and re-varnish it will be like new. Any idea what a Formby treatment is ? Steve R B9473720 From srwick at hotmail.com Fri Apr 3 20:39:22 2009 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 20:39:22 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Formby treatment ? In-Reply-To: <20090403183100.3PZMK.50498.root@cdptpa-web05-z01> References: <20090403183100.3PZMK.50498.root@cdptpa-web05-z01> Message-ID: I think it's an oil treatment for wood. Steve (in N.Idaho) ----- Original Message ----- From: sralsten at ca.rr.com To: Tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:31 AM Subject: [Tigers] Formby treatment ? Tiger steering wheel for sale on ebay item 120398675297 looks better than most. The seller's ad says with a Formby treatment and re-varnish it will be like new. Any idea what a Formby treatment is ? Steve R B9473720 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From jteepen at usatoday.com Fri Apr 3 20:40:28 2009 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 23:40:28 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Formby treatment ? In-Reply-To: <20090403183100.3PZMK.50498.root@cdptpa-web05-z01> Message-ID: <22D6EDA3E0A9E3498F3C3FC3697DCE340EB13E22@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> I think the Formby Treatment was a sort of cure all product for worn wood furniture. May still exist. Or did they mean Flobie and it needs a haircut using a vacuum cleaner? -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten at ca.rr.com Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:31 AM To: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Formby treatment ? Tiger steering wheel for sale on ebay item 120398675297 looks better than most. The seller's ad says with a Formby treatment and re-varnish it will be like new. Any idea what a Formby treatment is ? Steve R B9473720 From spook01 at comcast.net Fri Apr 3 21:26:35 2009 From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 23:26:35 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Formby treatment ? References: <22D6EDA3E0A9E3498F3C3FC3697DCE340EB13E22@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> Message-ID: <2F5F8C59D5C644D9A62150F64E9EC276@yourpd3mh0abgs> the formby treatment let the coating on the wood disolve gradually, then be re applied using a tung oil base. worked well, used it once myself to repair an antique tabletop to match the original legs. Ray "Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state lives at the expense of everyone." --French economist, statesman and author Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teepen, Jere" To: ; Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Formby treatment ? >I think the Formby Treatment was a sort of cure all product for worn wood > furniture. May still exist. Or did they mean Flobie and it needs a > haircut > using a vacuum cleaner? > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On > Behalf Of sralsten at ca.rr.com > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:31 AM > To: Tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Formby treatment ? > > Tiger steering wheel for sale on ebay item 120398675297 looks better than > most. The seller's ad says with a Formby treatment and re-varnish it will > be > like new. > > Any idea what a Formby treatment is ? > > Steve R > B9473720 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sat Apr 4 06:51:37 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 09:51:37 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Formby treatment ? In-Reply-To: <20090403183100.3PZMK.50498.root@cdptpa-web05-z01> Message-ID: <8261658733B145DBA233B57B6C0AD80C@ronpc1> Steve Formby products are for wood. http://www.formbys.com/products/ I'm not that sure how well they will work on Marine epoxy clear coat finish which is what I believe is on the steering wheel and dash. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten at ca.rr.com Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 2:31 PM To: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Formby treatment ? Tiger steering wheel for sale on ebay item 120398675297 looks better than most. The seller's ad says with a Formby treatment and re-varnish it will be like new. Any idea what a Formby treatment is ? Steve R B9473720 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.40/2039 - Release Date: 04/03/09 06:19:00 From shelbycuda at hotmail.com Sat Apr 4 07:10:37 2009 From: shelbycuda at hotmail.com (Dan Kuenzi) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 07:10:37 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Ethenal - E10 Fuel & Old Cars/Equipment Message-ID: Hello, I was curious what the groups thoughts were on ethenal based (E10) gas now found at most pumps here in the Pacific Northwest and impact to our older cars and yard equipment? Is it safe to run the E10 blend without damage to your 1970's and prior dated older cars and/or lawn mowers, etc? If not safe, what damage and resulting repairs might be required? Does running E10 change the characterstics on how your older vehicle engine runs (such as idle speed, surging at cruising speed, change in engine temp, etc)? Or, if you readied your older car to run on the E10 blend, what changes did to make? Any good sources on the web that talks about the above? Finally, where in Snohomish County Wa can one find ethenal free gasoline, for those that choose not to run the blend? Thank you, Dan _________________________________________________________________ Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN5 5C0701A From srwick at hotmail.com Sat Apr 4 10:07:04 2009 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 10:07:04 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Ethenal - E10 Fuel & Old Cars/Equipment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I believe that ethanol eats rubber, as in gas lines, carb seals, etc., and gets slightly worse mileage. The fix would be to switch to teflon or synthetic lines and seals. It used to be that "real" gas was available in the summer and the ethanol blend in the winter, but I'm sure that will change, if it hasn't already. Steve (not that far away in N. Idaho) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Kuenzi To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:10 AM Subject: [Tigers] Ethenal - E10 Fuel & Old Cars/Equipment Hello, I was curious what the groups thoughts were on ethenal based (E10) gas now found at most pumps here in the Pacific Northwest and impact to our older cars and yard equipment? Is it safe to run the E10 blend without damage to your 1970's and prior dated older cars and/or lawn mowers, etc? If not safe, what damage and resulting repairs might be required? Does running E10 change the characterstics on how your older vehicle engine runs (such as idle speed, surging at cruising speed, change in engine temp, etc)? Or, if you readied your older car to run on the E10 blend, what changes did to make? Any good sources on the web that talks about the above? Finally, where in Snohomish County Wa can one find ethenal free gasoline, for those that choose not to run the blend? Thank you, Dan _________________________________________________________________ Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MS N5 5C0701A _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Sat Apr 4 10:38:25 2009 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 12:38:25 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] What size screw? Message-ID: I'm nearly done with reassembly after the paint job. Somehow I've lost the 12 screws that hold the vinyl that separates the trunk from the cubby where the convertible top lives. What size are they? Does anything else besides the screws hold it in place? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Sat Apr 4 10:44:06 2009 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 12:44:06 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Badge locations Message-ID: My painter got a little carried away and filled in a few holes in the bodywork that he shouldn't have. I need to know as precisely as possible the location of the passenger side badge and the trunk badge (mine read "Alpine 260"). Is the passenger side badge the exact mirror image of the driver side? (He left me two of those holes, so I easily located the third). I've tried to use a small magnet to detect the body filler, but it hasn't worked. Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Sat Apr 4 10:46:54 2009 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 12:46:54 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Firewall insulation Message-ID: <37797E4C2A714E3BB34E9F4D2F4463AB@JEPHome> What is a good firewall insulation to put under the carpeting to reduce the heat from the engine compartment? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sat Apr 4 10:56:48 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 10:56:48 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] What size screw? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49D79F60.5010005@SoCal.rr.com> Jim, The fasteners for the vinyl material are pop rivets, not screws. The screws in the trunk area are 10 small #6 x 1/2" smc, oval Phillips heads, and a cup/washer. TigersUnited.com has a list of all the fasteners. These are on Page 4. of TigersUnited Bolt List. Thanks to Kirt Jenssen: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/KJensenBolts/rt-KJensenBolts1.asp When cleaning up my trunk area I used stainless screws and cup washers that can be polished satin or high polish, to your taste. You'll never have to worry about them again, unless the body rusts out beneath them. :-) Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com James E. Pickard wrote: > I'm nearly done with reassembly after the paint job. Somehow I've lost the 12 > screws that hold the vinyl that separates the trunk from the cubby where the > convertible top lives. What size are they? Does anything else besides the > screws hold it in place? Thanks. > > Jim Pickard > B9473298 ('65 Tiger) > AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold > 2003 Mini Cooper > Lafayette, LA From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sat Apr 4 11:01:31 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 11:01:31 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Firewall insulation In-Reply-To: <37797E4C2A714E3BB34E9F4D2F4463AB@JEPHome> References: <37797E4C2A714E3BB34E9F4D2F4463AB@JEPHome> Message-ID: <49D7A07B.5070502@SoCal.rr.com> Jim, I used 12" squares of Dynamat (adhesively backed) for the inside of door skin, firewall interior, and floor boards inside pass. comp. GREAT sound deadener as well as heat barrier. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com James E. Pickard wrote: > What is a good firewall insulation to put under the carpeting to reduce the > heat from the engine compartment? Thanks. > > Jim Pickard > B9473298 ('65 Tiger) > AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold > 2003 Mini Cooper > Lafayette, LA > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Sat Apr 4 11:08:24 2009 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 13:08:24 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Firewall insulation In-Reply-To: <49D7A07B.5070502@SoCal.rr.com> References: <37797E4C2A714E3BB34E9F4D2F4463AB@JEPHome> <49D7A07B.5070502@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <000001c9b550$591db4e0$0b591ea0$@rr.com> I plan on doing this once the car is authenticated at SUNI V. Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Laifman Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 13:02 To: James E. Pickard Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Firewall insulation Jim, I used 12" squares of Dynamat (adhesively backed) for the inside of door skin, firewall interior, and floor boards inside pass. comp. GREAT sound deadener as well as heat barrier. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com James E. Pickard wrote: > What is a good firewall insulation to put under the carpeting to reduce the > heat from the engine compartment? Thanks. > > Jim Pickard > B9473298 ('65 Tiger) > AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold > 2003 Mini Cooper > Lafayette, LA > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sat Apr 4 11:12:51 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 14:12:51 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] What size screw? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <6D4E13B6FD744178A88814FD6A350004@ronpc1> Jim It's been too long but I believe pop rivets held this. I have small screws holding mine right now; the heads are toward the soft top, the nut is on the trunk side. This has been temporary fix for the past 15 years; till I get around to it and figure out a better way to do this. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James E. Pickard Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 1:38 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] What size screw? I'm nearly done with reassembly after the paint job. Somehow I've lost the 12 screws that hold the vinyl that separates the trunk from the cubby where the convertible top lives. What size are they? Does anything else besides the screws hold it in place? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.40/2039 - Release Date: 04/03/09 17:54:00 From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Sat Apr 4 11:22:47 2009 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 13:22:47 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of fastening things....new boot cover. In-Reply-To: <6D4E13B6FD744178A88814FD6A350004@ronpc1> References: <6D4E13B6FD744178A88814FD6A350004@ronpc1> Message-ID: <000101c9b552$5b40aa00$11c1fe00$@rr.com> Hello all, I just got the new boot cover from SS and will be installing it soon. I really do not want to pierce the material with the OEM method. Has anyone used a thin metal strip to sandwich the material between and then rivet? Or, any other way to do it? I also got the straps with hooks to hold the boot up when the top is up or hard top on the car....any tip installing them would be great too. Duke B382002037 From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sat Apr 4 11:48:51 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 14:48:51 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Badge locations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim The location is an exact mirror as far I know and all these badges have the same mount points. Usually you can just see the slight dimple in the paint where the holes are but maybe the body man did a really good job of smoothing and polishing the filler and paint. You might be able to use a steel scribe or small steel wire with a magnet on it to locate the filler; you need a small point to find the hole with a very strong magnet to get a noticeable reaction. If you still have a removable steel panel in the fender well at the top, rear; you could remove that panel and find the filler by hand touch. You need smallish hands and forearms to do that. You could make a template of the drivers side by also using the Tiger Script holes to help locate the badge holes. The trunk badge; looking at the trunk, the badge is on the passenger side, LHD, and the left pin of the badge is easily visible in the inner trunk panel opening. The other 2 pin holes are visible but behind the metal inner panel. You should be able to see the filler from that opening. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James E. Pickard Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 1:44 PM To: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Badge locations My painter got a little carried away and filled in a few holes in the bodywork that he shouldn't have. I need to know as precisely as possible the location of the passenger side badge and the trunk badge (mine read "Alpine 260"). Is the passenger side badge the exact mirror image of the driver side? (He left me two of those holes, so I easily located the third). I've tried to use a small magnet to detect the body filler, but it hasn't worked. Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.40/2039 - Release Date: 04/03/09 17:54:00 From Pappentl at aol.com Sat Apr 4 16:20:33 2009 From: Pappentl at aol.com (Pappentl at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 19:20:33 EDT Subject: [Tigers] To undercoat, or not to undercoat Message-ID: I'm getting back to my Tiger after an embarrassingly long hiatus. The car was dipped, stripped and the rust was repaired many years ago. The underside is now the original BRG. I intend this car to be a driver and am considering undercoating it. Has anyone gone this route? What did you use? Are there any negatives to undercoating it? TIA. ...tom Wilmington, DE **************Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare00000003) From tigerlat70 at comcast.net Sat Apr 4 18:24:17 2009 From: tigerlat70 at comcast.net (Steve Coleman) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 18:24:17 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of fastening things....new boot cover. In-Reply-To: <000101c9b552$5b40aa00$11c1fe00$@rr.com> Message-ID: <0D4EDC112E024621A7F52A927A3A02DF@stevesdell> Tie wraps -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Samouce's Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 11:23 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of fastening things....new boot cover. Hello all, I just got the new boot cover from SS and will be installing it soon. I really do not want to pierce the material with the OEM method. Has anyone used a thin metal strip to sandwich the material between and then rivet? Or, any other way to do it? I also got the straps with hooks to hold the boot up when the top is up or hard top on the car....any tip installing them would be great too. Duke B382002037 Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.41/2040 - Release Date: 4/3/2009 5:54 PM From csx2282 at sonic.net Sun Apr 5 11:41:03 2009 From: csx2282 at sonic.net (csx2282) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 10:41:03 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 141 References: Message-ID: <6B3FCD273CF741BCB0489AD271F1DD1F@Cobra> Sound deadener? Isn't that a negative? Roland _________________________________________________ Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 11:01:31 -0700 From: Steve Laifman Subject: Re: [Tigers] Firewall insulation GREAT sound deadener as well as heat barrier. Steve From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 5 13:20:26 2009 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 12:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Firewall insulation In-Reply-To: <49D7A07B.5070502@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <422520.15224.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I used the Dynamat on the floor and inside the door panels, but believe it is more effective as a sound deadener rather than a heat shield. Plus, it is pretty heavy when you add up all the squares you could use. So, for my firewall area I glued in the aluminum foil insulation that has the "bubble wrap" type center. Very effective as a heat shield and very light. This wasn't the brand I used, but it is an example of what I'm referring to. I also used it on the underside of my Tiger hardtop. http://www.jegs.com/p/Thermo+Tec/756779/10002/-1 Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI --- On Sat, 4/4/09, Steve Laifman wrote: From: Steve Laifman Subject: Re: [Tigers] Firewall insulation To: "James E. Pickard" Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 2:01 PM Jim, I used 12" squares of Dynamat (adhesively backed) for the inside of door skin, firewall interior, and floor boards inside pass. comp. GREAT sound deadener as well as heat barrier. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com James E. Pickard wrote: > What is a good firewall insulation to put under the carpeting to reduce the > heat from the engine compartment? Thanks. > > Jim Pickard > B9473298 ('65 Tiger) > AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold > 2003 Mini Cooper > Lafayette, LA > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From twojohnsons at cox.net Mon Apr 6 05:11:29 2009 From: twojohnsons at cox.net (Alvin Johnson) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 07:11:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 141 References: <6B3FCD273CF741BCB0489AD271F1DD1F@Cobra> Message-ID: <004f01c9b6a8$6f7fb090$6401a8c0@13930193605348f> No, it's an oxymoron. > Sound deadener? Isn't that a negative? > > Roland From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 6 08:18:49 2009 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 07:18:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Original Jack Color Message-ID: <932347.35813.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm starting on the restoration of our Mark 1. The jack needs to be bead blasted and powder coated or painted. I didn't pay any attention to the original color of the jack the last time I did one (I bead blasted our Mark II jack and had it powder coated black). But now I'm noticing that the jack in my Mark I is painted a medium gray color. Is that gray the original color? Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Apr 6 10:10:38 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:10:38 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Original Jack Color In-Reply-To: <932347.35813.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bill TBON states on page 154 that "the original Tiger jack and its handle were painted black for all models except the South Africa cars"; grey was standard for the Alpine. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Waite Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:19 AM To: Tiger Talk List Tiger Subject: [Tigers] Original Jack Color I'm starting on the restoration of our Mark 1. The jack needs to be bead blasted and powder coated or painted. I didn't pay any attention to the original color of the jack the last time I did one (I bead blasted our Mark II jack and had it powder coated black). But now I'm noticing that the jack in my Mark I is painted a medium gray color. Is that gray the original color? Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.42/2042 - Release Date: 04/06/09 06:22:00 From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Apr 6 10:54:17 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:54:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Original Jack Color In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8FAD41B3B77741DD8A860D94A57AE4BE@ronpc1> Bill I just looked at my Rootes Part lists, tools section ZV: Publication 6600992 Alpine parts list part # 1201342 lifting jack Publication 6601334 Tiger parts list 1201342 lifting jack Up to B9473324 5220473 lifting jack >From B9473325 This would seem to indicate that 1201342 is painted grey and 5220473 is painted black. I have a black jack in need of much TLC and I see no part number stamped into the jack or any other identifying markings to indicate which jack it is. Norm indicates that some Tigers have a grey jack; here is his resent email. We now know that several MK IAs and MK IIs were delivered with grey jacks. No particular pattern has turned up, so one guesses it was tied to supply issues. Norm Either color is correct so pick the color you like best. Back to my Taxes; I owe, I owe Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 12:11 PM To: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net; 'Tiger Talk List Tiger' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original Jack Color Bill TBON states on page 154 that "the original Tiger jack and its handle were painted black for all models except the South Africa cars"; grey was standard for the Alpine. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Waite Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:19 AM To: Tiger Talk List Tiger Subject: [Tigers] Original Jack Color I'm starting on the restoration of our Mark 1. The jack needs to be bead blasted and powder coated or painted. I didn't pay any attention to the original color of the jack the last time I did one (I bead blasted our Mark II jack and had it powder coated black). But now I'm noticing that the jack in my Mark I is painted a medium gray color. Is that gray the original color? Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI _______________________________________________ From jpkkmk at aol.com Mon Apr 6 13:10:58 2009 From: jpkkmk at aol.com (Patrick) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 12:10:58 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Original Jack Color In-Reply-To: <8FAD41B3B77741DD8A860D94A57AE4BE@ronpc1> Message-ID: The vast majority of the jacks I have seen both Tiger and Alpine have been black. There are several differences between early Alpine Jacks and later Alpine Jack. The Tiger Jack is also different and specific to the Tiger but not because of color. Patrick King. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 9:54 AM To: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net; 'Tiger Talk List Tiger' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original Jack Color Bill I just looked at my Rootes Part lists, tools section ZV: Publication 6600992 Alpine parts list part # 1201342 lifting jack Publication 6601334 Tiger parts list 1201342 lifting jack Up to B9473324 5220473 lifting jack >From B9473325 This would seem to indicate that 1201342 is painted grey and 5220473 is painted black. I have a black jack in need of much TLC and I see no part number stamped into the jack or any other identifying markings to indicate which jack it is. Norm indicates that some Tigers have a grey jack; here is his resent email. We now know that several MK IAs and MK IIs were delivered with grey jacks. No particular pattern has turned up, so one guesses it was tied to supply issues. Norm Either color is correct so pick the color you like best. Back to my Taxes; I owe, I owe Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 12:11 PM To: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net; 'Tiger Talk List Tiger' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original Jack Color Bill TBON states on page 154 that "the original Tiger jack and its handle were painted black for all models except the South Africa cars"; grey was standard for the Alpine. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Waite Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:19 AM To: Tiger Talk List Tiger Subject: [Tigers] Original Jack Color I'm starting on the restoration of our Mark 1. The jack needs to be bead blasted and powder coated or painted. I didn't pay any attention to the original color of the jack the last time I did one (I bead blasted our Mark II jack and had it powder coated black). But now I'm noticing that the jack in my Mark I is painted a medium gray color. Is that gray the original color? Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Apr 6 14:14:06 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 16:14:06 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Original Jack Color In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Patrick That is very interesting. I know there were some differences but I never paid that much attention. Do you or anyone else on the list have descriptions of these differences and possibly pictures? It would be great to document this for everyone. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Patrick [mailto:jpkkmk at aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 3:11 PM To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; fordlandia at sbcglobal.net; 'Tiger Talk List Tiger' Subject: RE: [Tigers] Original Jack Color The vast majority of the jacks I have seen both Tiger and Alpine have been black. There are several differences between early Alpine Jacks and later Alpine Jack. The Tiger Jack is also different and specific to the Tiger but not because of color. Patrick King. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 9:54 AM To: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net; 'Tiger Talk List Tiger' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original Jack Color Bill I just looked at my Rootes Part lists, tools section ZV: Publication 6600992 Alpine parts list part # 1201342 lifting jack Publication 6601334 Tiger parts list 1201342 lifting jack Up to B9473324 5220473 lifting jack >From B9473325 This would seem to indicate that 1201342 is painted grey and 5220473 is painted black. I have a black jack in need of much TLC and I see no part number stamped into the jack or any other identifying markings to indicate which jack it is. Norm indicates that some Tigers have a grey jack; here is his resent email. We now know that several MK IAs and MK IIs were delivered with grey jacks. No particular pattern has turned up, so one guesses it was tied to supply issues. Norm Either color is correct so pick the color you like best. Back to my Taxes; I owe, I owe Ron Fraser From RussE at Firstva.com Mon Apr 6 17:27:02 2009 From: RussE at Firstva.com (Russ Eshelman) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 19:27:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Original Jack Color References: Message-ID: <002e01c9b70f$359a31e0$7e2dc64b@youro0kwkw9jwc> Curious to know, how is the Tiger jack different from the Alpine jack ........other than color? Russ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick" To: ; ; "'Tiger TalkList Tiger'" Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original Jack Color > The vast majority of the jacks I have seen both Tiger and Alpine have been > black. There are several differences between early Alpine Jacks and later > Alpine Jack. The Tiger Jack is also different and specific to the Tiger but > not because of color. > Patrick King. > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Ron Fraser > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 9:54 AM > To: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net; 'Tiger Talk List Tiger' > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original Jack Color > > Bill > I just looked at my Rootes Part lists, tools section ZV: > > Publication 6600992 Alpine parts list part # 1201342 lifting jack > Publication 6601334 Tiger parts list 1201342 lifting jack Up to > B9473324 > 5220473 lifting jack >>From B9473325 > > This would seem to indicate that 1201342 is painted grey and 5220473 is > painted black. > > I have a black jack in need of much TLC and I see no part number stamped > into the jack or any other identifying markings to indicate which jack it > is. > > Norm indicates that some Tigers have a grey jack; here is his resent email. > > We now know that several MK IAs and MK IIs were delivered with grey jacks. > No particular pattern has turned up, so one guesses it was tied to supply > issues. > > Norm > > Either color is correct so pick the color you like best. > > > Back to my Taxes; I owe, I owe > > Ron Fraser > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Ron Fraser > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 12:11 PM > To: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net; 'Tiger Talk List Tiger' > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original Jack Color > > > Bill > TBON states on page 154 that "the original Tiger jack and its handle > were painted black for all models except the South Africa cars"; grey was > standard for the Alpine. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Bill Waite > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:19 AM > To: Tiger Talk List Tiger > Subject: [Tigers] Original Jack Color > > > I'm starting on the restoration of our Mark 1. The jack needs to be bead > blasted and powder coated or painted. I didn't pay any attention to the > original color of the jack the last time I did one (I bead blasted our Mark > II jack and had it powder coated black). But now I'm noticing that the jack > in my Mark I is painted a medium gray color. Is that gray the original > color? > > Bill Waite > Grand Rapids, MI _______________________________________________ > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 17:31:30 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:31:30 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Original Jack Color In-Reply-To: <002e01c9b70f$359a31e0$7e2dc64b@youro0kwkw9jwc> References: <002e01c9b70f$359a31e0$7e2dc64b@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: I can only guess they made it stronger to deal with the added weight of the tiger.. the ford V8 and top-loader would be a bit more stress on such a small jack. -- Regards Michael King From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Mon Apr 6 17:35:29 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:35:29 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Original Jack Color In-Reply-To: <932347.35813.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <932347.35813.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49DA91C1.3080709@SoCal.rr.com> Bill, There seems to be a mix of opinion about the original jack color. Since you are interested in "powder coating", which a good finish, you should no longer worry about "originality". A satin black would be very nice, but the original enamel didn't look as well. But "that" is the "original" surface. Depends on whether you are entering a Concours or not. The tools range from black paint to partial rust :-) . I've satin black powdered coated my metal lawn furniture, and it is "stronger than dirt". The jack is really not the desired tool to actually lift the car, but for emergency highway use. If you are interested in re-building the mechanical aspects, the TigersUnited.com article "Rebuilding the Sunbeam Jack" is Larry Paulick's gift to us, and well worth reading: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/PaulickJack/rt-PaulickJack.asp Lot's of "jack stuff" can be found using the "SEARCH" feature linked at the top of every page. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Bill Waite wrote: > I'm starting on the restoration of our Mark 1. The jack needs to be bead > blasted and powder coated or painted. I didn't pay any attention to the > original color of the jack the last time I did one (I bead blasted our Mark II > jack and had it powder coated black). But now I'm noticing that the jack in > my Mark I is painted a medium gray color. Is that gray the original color? > > Bill Waite > Grand Rapids, MI From bamcnulty at optonline.net Mon Apr 6 17:56:06 2009 From: bamcnulty at optonline.net (Tony McNulty) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 19:56:06 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Original Jack Color References: <932347.35813.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <49DA91C1.3080709@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <0FD51FD15DB84608868A12501B1DE951@your4dacd0ea75> For what it's worth -- I just went out to the garage and looked at my original (B 382001321) jack that came with my Tiger in 1966 -- it is grey (and kinda rusty in spots). Can guarantee this as the OO. Tony Mc in CT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Laifman" To: Cc: "Tiger Talk List Tiger" Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original Jack Color > Bill, > > There seems to be a mix of opinion about the original jack color. Since > you are interested in "powder coating", which a good finish, you should > no longer worry about "originality". A satin black would be very nice, > but the original enamel didn't look as well. But "that" is the > "original" surface. > > Depends on whether you are entering a Concours or not. > > The tools range from black paint to partial rust :-) . I've satin black > powdered coated my metal lawn furniture, and it is "stronger than > dirt". The jack is really not the desired tool to actually lift the > car, but for emergency highway use. > > If you are interested in re-building the mechanical aspects, the > TigersUnited.com article "Rebuilding the Sunbeam Jack" is Larry > Paulick's gift to us, and well worth reading: > > http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/PaulickJack/rt-PaulickJack.asp > > Lot's of "jack stuff" can be found using the "SEARCH" feature linked at > the top of every page. > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > > Bill Waite wrote: >> I'm starting on the restoration of our Mark 1. The jack needs to be bead >> blasted and powder coated or painted. I didn't pay any attention to the >> original color of the jack the last time I did one (I bead blasted our >> Mark II >> jack and had it powder coated black). But now I'm noticing that the jack >> in >> my Mark I is painted a medium gray color. Is that gray the original >> color? >> >> Bill Waite >> Grand Rapids, MI > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.43/2043 - Release Date: 04/06/09 06:22:00 From sralsten at ca.rr.com Mon Apr 6 18:03:12 2009 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 20:03:12 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Original Jack Color In-Reply-To: <002e01c9b70f$359a31e0$7e2dc64b@youro0kwkw9jwc> Message-ID: <20090407000312.5G7FD.85327.root@cdptpa-web05-z01> Here's a link to a page on the Alpine website regarding the tool kit. Scroll down the page and it indicates grey jack changing to black at a particular chassis number. http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/index.php?categoryid=82&p2_articleid=8 From sganz at pacbell.net Mon Apr 6 18:14:16 2009 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Power Coatings Message-ID: <733949.99013.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What is a good way to clean power coatings off of some bearings surfaces. The masking didn't block it all out and other then scraping with something what's a good chemical means? Sandy From sganz at pacbell.net Mon Apr 6 18:15:49 2009 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 17:15:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Power Coatings References: <733949.99013.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <714230.76364.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I ment POWDER ;) ----- Original Message ---- From: Sandy Ganz To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 5:14:16 PM Subject: [Tigers] Power Coatings What is a good way to clean power coatings off of some bearings surfaces. The masking didn't block it all out and other then scraping with something what's a good chemical means? Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From sralsten at ca.rr.com Mon Apr 6 18:23:50 2009 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 20:23:50 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Original Jack Color In-Reply-To: <20090407000312.5G7FD.85327.root@cdptpa-web05-z01> Message-ID: <20090407002350.OQ3MP.84659.root@cdptpa-web16-z01> I also see the Alpine page jack info indicates the grey jacks were 19" The black jacks were 20". Is it a good assumption the Tiger jacks that vary in color also vary in length ? My jack is an ebay purchase that is black/rust. I'll measure it this weekend. Steve From sralsten at ca.rr.com Mon Apr 6 18:24:06 2009 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 20:24:06 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Original Jack Color Message-ID: <20090407002406.4ORWN.84663.root@cdptpa-web16-z01> I also see the Alpine page jack info indicates the grey jacks were 19" The black jacks were 20". Is it a good assumption the Tiger jacks that vary in color also vary in length ? My jack is an ebay purchase that is black/rust. I'll measure it this weekend. Steve From MWood24020 at aol.com Mon Apr 6 18:35:41 2009 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 20:35:41 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Original Jack Color Message-ID: #47 AS, I just know you're out there getting thoroughly riled about this whole "conversation".... ;-) #7 FS **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221621488x1201450096/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooterNO62) From DJoh797014 at aol.com Mon Apr 6 18:59:37 2009 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 20:59:37 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Original Jack Color Message-ID: My B382002668 has the original unretsored jack and it is grey. Ken's unrestored Jack in his MK II is grey. Dave **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Mon Apr 6 20:20:51 2009 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 21:20:51 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Rear car height In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c9b727$79e9e8f0$6dbdbad0$@rr.com> Hello all, I HAVE MY CAR BACK!!! It was at the shop for 5 weeks to get the valance replaced. Have it back and the work completed is amazing. I have new rear tires installed to replace the ones that were too wide (215/65R13). The rear wheel wells were also repaired and trimmed and all is good at the back now. Problem is, I think it sits too low. I have JAP wheels with 195/65R13 tires with Dale's rear leaf springs. I want the rear to be 1" higher at the rear wheel wells. The easiest answer is longer shackles. Who makes shackles that are ~1" longer than stock? TIA, Duke B382002037 From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Apr 7 09:10:36 2009 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 08:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] PowDer coating removal Message-ID: <764570.60934.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Found this on the web, will give it a try, I have used it on gaskets and works well, see how it does on Powder coatings. [quote] The easiest and cheapest way to remove paint and powder coating is with gasket remover. The product we use in our shop is Permatex Gasket Remover (item #80646). It comes in a 12 ounce aerosol can which is more than enough to do even large projects like engine cases. It is available from most auto parts stores. Other products, such as Zip Strip. paint remover, may also work, but the Permatex product is what we have had the most success with. Simply spray on a liberal coating to the part you are trying to strip, and wait 10-15 minutes. Be sure not to get any on areas that you do not want stripped. Make sure to wear eye and skin protection as it can irritate both.After 10-15 minutes, the powder coating will bubble and peel. Wipe off the gasket remover and loosened powder coating with a disposable rag. You may need to reapply as some areas will be missed the first time. That's it! Your part should be stripped down to the bare metal. Make sure to wash with wax and grease remover before you try to repaint. [end quote] Chemicals to the rescue... From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tue Apr 7 09:14:48 2009 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:14:48 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Rear car height In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D1570190526C@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <20090407151448.4J42F.72655.root@hrndva-web28-z01> The JAP wheels are offset. Front tires are 175/70R13. I have no idea on the springs. Duke ---- "Smit wrote: > Just lower the front to match ;) > > Do you have the same tires on the front and rear? What are the springs > in front? > > Theo > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Samouce's > > Sent: April 6, 2009 8:21 PM > > To: tigers at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Tigers] Rear car height > > > > Hello all, > > > > I HAVE MY CAR BACK!!! It was at the shop for 5 weeks to get > > the valance replaced. Have it back and the work completed is amazing. > > > > I have new rear tires installed to replace the ones that were > > too wide (215/65R13). The rear wheel wells were also > > repaired and trimmed and all is good at the back now. > > Problem is, I think it sits too low. > > > > I have JAP wheels with 195/65R13 tires with Dale's rear leaf > > springs. I want the rear to be 1" higher at the rear wheel > > wells. The easiest answer is longer shackles. Who makes > > shackles that are ~1" longer than stock? > > > > TIA, > > Duke > > B382002037 > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tue Apr 7 09:21:17 2009 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 15:21:17 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Rear car height Message-ID: <20090407152117.U4L65.72783.root@hrndva-web28-z01> The JAP wheels are offset. Front tires are 175/70R13. I have no idea on the springs. Duke ---- "Smit wrote: > Just lower the front to match ;) > > Do you have the same tires on the front and rear? What are the springs > in front? > > Theo > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Samouce's > > Sent: April 6, 2009 8:21 PM > > To: tigers at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Tigers] Rear car height > > > > Hello all, > > > > I HAVE MY CAR BACK!!! It was at the shop for 5 weeks to get > > the valance replaced. Have it back and the work completed is amazing. > > > > I have new rear tires installed to replace the ones that were > > too wide (215/65R13). The rear wheel wells were also > > repaired and trimmed and all is good at the back now. > > Problem is, I think it sits too low. > > > > I have JAP wheels with 195/65R13 tires with Dale's rear leaf > > springs. I want the rear to be 1" higher at the rear wheel > > wells. The easiest answer is longer shackles. Who makes > > shackles that are ~1" longer than stock? > > > > TIA, > > Duke > > B382002037 > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Apr 7 08:23:05 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 08:23:05 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Rear car height In-Reply-To: <000001c9b727$79e9e8f0$6dbdbad0$@rr.com> References: <000001c9b727$79e9e8f0$6dbdbad0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D1570190526C@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Just lower the front to match ;) Do you have the same tires on the front and rear? What are the springs in front? Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Samouce's > Sent: April 6, 2009 8:21 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Rear car height > > Hello all, > > I HAVE MY CAR BACK!!! It was at the shop for 5 weeks to get > the valance replaced. Have it back and the work completed is amazing. > > I have new rear tires installed to replace the ones that were > too wide (215/65R13). The rear wheel wells were also > repaired and trimmed and all is good at the back now. > Problem is, I think it sits too low. > > I have JAP wheels with 195/65R13 tires with Dale's rear leaf > springs. I want the rear to be 1" higher at the rear wheel > wells. The easiest answer is longer shackles. Who makes > shackles that are ~1" longer than stock? > > TIA, > Duke > B382002037 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 7 11:05:42 2009 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] PowDer coating removal In-Reply-To: <764570.60934.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <254455.90705.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just tried that (Permatex Gasket Remover) the other day on a powder coated piece. Didn't work at all. But... I can testify that does work GREAT on painted items as your article said. Works better than any currently available paint remover I've found. I miss the "good old days" when they sold stuff that peeled off paint easily in layers. Of course, the fumes would eventually kill you, too... but we didn't know that and ignorance was bliss. Bill Waite --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Sandy Ganz wrote: From: Sandy Ganz Subject: [Tigers] PowDer coating removal To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 11:10 AM Found this on the web, will give it a try, I have used it on gaskets and works well, see how it does on Powder coatings. [quote] The easiest and cheapest way to remove paint and powder coating is with gasket remover. The product we use in our shop is Permatex Gasket Remover (item #80646). It comes in a 12 ounce aerosol can which is more than enough to do even large projects like engine cases. It is available from most auto parts stores. Other products, such as Zip Strip. paint remover, may also work, but the Permatex product is what we have had the most success with. Simply spray on a liberal coating to the part you are trying to strip, and wait 10-15 minutes. Be sure not to get any on areas that you do not want stripped. Make sure to wear eye and skin protection as it can irritate both.After 10-15 minutes, the powder coating will bubble and peel. Wipe off the gasket remover and loosened powder coating with a disposable rag. You may need to reapply as some areas will be missed the first time. That's it! Your part should be stripped down to the bare metal. Make sure to wash with wax and grease remover before you try to repaint. [end quote] Chemicals to the rescue... Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Apr 7 11:16:24 2009 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] PowDer coating removal References: <254455.90705.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <179411.56371.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Better living through Chemistry (TM) Well that is sad, I'm going to give it a try for grins. And yes we are only alive because we didn't know the chemicals we used were dangerous ;) Sandy ________________________________ From: Bill Waite To: tigers at autox.team.net; Sandy Ganz Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 10:05:42 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] PowDer coating removal I just tried that (Permatex Gasket Remover) the other day on a powder coated piece. Didn't work at all. But... I can testify that does work GREAT on painted items as your article said. Works better than any currently available paint remover I've found. I miss the "good old days" when they sold stuff that peeled off paint easily in layers. Of course, the fumes would eventually kill you, too... but we didn't know that and ignorance was bliss. Bill Waite --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Sandy Ganz wrote: From: Sandy Ganz Subject: [Tigers] PowDer coating removal To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 11:10 AM Found this on the web, will give it a try, I have used it on gaskets and works well, see how it does on Powder coatings. [quote] The easiest and cheapest way to remove paint and powder coating is with gasket remover. The product we use in our shop is Permatex Gasket Remover (item #80646). It comes in a 12 ounce aerosol can which is more than enough to do even large projects like engine cases. It is available from most auto parts stores. Other products, such as Zip Strip. paint remover, may also work, but the Permatex product is what we have had the most success with. Simply spray on a liberal coating to the part you are trying to strip, and wait 10-15 minutes. Be sure not to get any on areas that you do not want stripped. Make sure to wear eye and skin protection as it can irritate both.After 10-15 minutes, the powder coating will bubble and peel. Wipe off the gasket remover and loosened powder coating with a disposable rag. You may need to reapply as some areas will be missed the first time. That's it! Your part should be stripped down to the bare metal. Make sure to wash with wax and grease remover before you try to repaint. [end quote] Chemicals to the rescue... _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tue Apr 7 11:19:15 2009 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 12:19:15 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] BF Goodrich Radial TA tire available In-Reply-To: <764570.60934.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <764570.60934.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c9b7a4$fac5db00$f0519100$@rr.com> Anyone want the NLA tire off of my car? Rear - 215/65R13 Front - 175/70R13 Rear have code - DOT BEEF 4CI 152 Don't know the front, still on car. Duke B382002037 From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Apr 7 12:05:34 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 14:05:34 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] PowDer coating removal In-Reply-To: <179411.56371.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sandy Eastwood Company advertises this product for powder coat. I have no experience with it so I have no idea if it works. It must be a commercially available product elsewhere too. I would think a powder coat company would have recommendations for removing the powder coat too. http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=16495&itemType=PRODUCT Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:16 PM To: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] PowDer coating removal Better living through Chemistry (TM) Well that is sad, I'm going to give it a try for grins. And yes we are only alive because we didn't know the chemicals we used were dangerous ;) Sandy From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Apr 7 12:29:46 2009 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 11:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] PowDer coating removal References: Message-ID: <425909.27279.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron - Looks like that stuff might work well. I'll bet it is something like Jasco paint remover or something like it. I'm going to give the Permatex a try and see how that works, then some pain stripper, then will have to hit up Eastwood ;) Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Ron Fraser To: Sandy Ganz ; fordlandia at sbcglobal.net; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 11:05:34 AM Subject: RE: [Tigers] PowDer coating removal Sandy Eastwood Company advertises this product for powder coat. I have no experience with it so I have no idea if it works. It must be a commercially available product elsewhere too. I would think a powder coat company would have recommendations for removing the powder coat too. http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=16495&itemType=PRODUCT Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 1:16 PM To: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] PowDer coating removal Better living through Chemistry (TM) Well that is sad, I'm going to give it a try for grins. And yes we are only alive because we didn't know the chemicals we used were dangerous ;) Sandy From Rollright at aol.com Tue Apr 7 12:48:30 2009 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 14:48:30 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Dash heater placque Message-ID: Hello, Just got back two of the black metal dash heater control plates with "off, warm, hot" etc. in new paint and new lettering. Guy in Michigan did it and it looks GREAT ! Question: my buddy put his in yesterday and said he had to pull the dash to swap old with new. This sounds pretty dreadful though I've had the dash out when I put in the new wood dash years ago. I'd like to avoid that again. Any easier way to do this? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421323x1201417385/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooterNO62) From laurin212 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 7 14:58:30 2009 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 13:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] engine builder ref needed - cobra automotive Message-ID: <71074.64314.qm@web53612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> anyone have any feedback or experience with cobra automotive in wallingford, CT as it relates to engine rebuilding? http://cobraautomotive.com/ you can email me privately with any info thks peter laurin212 at yahoo.com From vegaslegal at aol.com Tue Apr 7 15:22:16 2009 From: vegaslegal at aol.com (vegaslegal at aol.com) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:22:16 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] non-Tiger/Carbon Fiber Message-ID: <8CB85DE0F3DC2D6-1304-BBE@webmail-db19.sysops.aol.com> Hey all.? This is marginally car related and not Tiger related at all.? Still, I believe that this should be written somewhere where it could be searched.? If any of you have young teenagers you're familiar with school science fairs.? I worked with my daughter in coming up with an experiment that was actually an experiment and not building a volcano or reinventing the wheel.? We [she] fabricated two identical forms of carbon fiber panels.? The only difference between the two panels was that one panel was wetted-in on?loosely lain carbon fiber and the other was wetted-in on carbon fiber under tension.? The hypothesis was that the carbon fiber under tension would be stronger/more rigid. Curiously, the results were exactly the opposite.? The carbon fiber panel with the loose carbon fiber was both stronger and more rigid at about 140% of the fiber under tension.? As carbon fiber is extremely inelastic and there was only about 1/4 of a check less material across the 14" span of the panel, I found this quite surprising.? I can only chalk it up to that nominal thinness in the panel under tension or an inate characteristic of carbon fiber that makes it more elastic under tension. This is also especially useless information because the difficult process turned out to also be the inferior process.? Thanks for your ear. Bob Nersesian B382000975 From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Apr 7 15:50:24 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 15:50:24 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] non-Tiger/Carbon Fiber In-Reply-To: <8CB85DE0F3DC2D6-1304-BBE@webmail-db19.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB85DE0F3DC2D6-1304-BBE@webmail-db19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905274@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> The goodness of carbon fiber or fiberglass depends a lot on the saturation of the resin into the cloth... Maybe putting the fibers under tension caused some effect at the microscopic level that prevented the resin from locking the fibers in place. Or something like that. Were both panels laid up with the same batch of resin? Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of vegaslegal at aol.com > Sent: April 7, 2009 3:22 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] non-Tiger/Carbon Fiber > > Hey all.? This is marginally car related and not Tiger > related at all.? Still, I believe that this should be written > somewhere where it could be searched.? > If any of you have young teenagers you're familiar with > school science fairs.? I worked with my daughter in coming up > with an experiment that was actually an experiment and not > building a volcano or reinventing the wheel.? > We [she] fabricated two identical forms of carbon fiber > panels.? The only difference between the two panels was that > one panel was wetted-in on?loosely lain carbon fiber and the > other was wetted-in on carbon fiber under tension.? The > hypothesis was that the carbon fiber under tension would be > stronger/more rigid. > Curiously, the results were exactly the opposite.? The carbon > fiber panel with the loose carbon fiber was both stronger and > more rigid at about 140% of the fiber under tension.? As > carbon fiber is extremely inelastic and there was only about > 1/4 of a check less material across the 14" span of the > panel, I found this quite surprising.? I can only chalk it up > to that nominal thinness in the panel under tension or an > inate characteristic of carbon fiber that makes it more > elastic under tension. > This is also especially useless information because the > difficult process turned out to also be the inferior process.? > Thanks for your ear. > > Bob Nersesian > B382000975 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From wseay at embarqmail.com Tue Apr 7 16:34:52 2009 From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:34:52 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Original Jack Color References: <932347.35813.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <699816D8B8664806A3D568AAA2FF55C7@xpseay> Bill, Jack for my MK1A, B382001570, is gray, and it's always been gray. Trust me, I'm the OO. - Will B382001570 ____________________________ Will Seay wseay at embarqmail.com From atwittsend at verizon.net Tue Apr 7 17:01:54 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 16:01:54 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] non-Tiger/Carbon Fiber References: <8CB85DE0F3DC2D6-1304-BBE@webmail-db19.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <73AEA0AE874245328576BF2B5239EF04@student2> Actually this is more "car" related than you think. I too have considered the same theory and, might I add, with considerations to my Tiger. I would tend to go the way of Theo that the saturation of the loose fibers gave better bonding. Sort like the difference between setting bricks with a standard joint verse a 1/16" joint. Oh, and yes, been there done that. My son was in Science Fairs from the 5th grade. Each year he placed at the County level and received special awards. Except 7th grade, he only got one special award, and did not place. Rather disappointed he persevered. In 8th grade, he won 1st at the County and received three special awards. Advancing to the State finals he won 1st place in the Aerodynamic/Hydrodynamic category! All this starts in the kids originating school. The irony is that year in our little home school group there were only two contestants at his grade level. My son placed 2nd, or effectively last, - then won 1st at the State. :-) All the best in the adventure. It was always as exciting as it was trying. Tom From chris at cthompson.net Tue Apr 7 17:46:04 2009 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:46:04 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] non-Tiger/Carbon Fiber In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905274@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> References: <8CB85DE0F3DC2D6-1304-BBE@webmail-db19.sysops.aol.com> <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905274@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <49DBE5BC.8080808@cthompson.net> And how did you measure the strength and rigidity? Smit, Theo wrote: > The goodness of carbon fiber or fiberglass depends a lot on the > saturation of the resin into the cloth... Maybe putting the fibers under > tension caused some effect at the microscopic level that prevented the > resin from locking the fibers in place. Or something like that. > > Were both panels laid up with the same batch of resin? > > Theo > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net >> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of vegaslegal at aol.com >> Sent: April 7, 2009 3:22 PM >> To: tigers at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Tigers] non-Tiger/Carbon Fiber >> >> Hey all.? This is marginally car related and not Tiger >> related at all.? Still, I believe that this should be written >> somewhere where it could be searched.? >> If any of you have young teenagers you're familiar with >> school science fairs.? I worked with my daughter in coming up >> with an experiment that was actually an experiment and not >> building a volcano or reinventing the wheel.? >> We [she] fabricated two identical forms of carbon fiber >> panels.? The only difference between the two panels was that >> one panel was wetted-in on?loosely lain carbon fiber and the >> other was wetted-in on carbon fiber under tension.? The >> hypothesis was that the carbon fiber under tension would be >> stronger/more rigid. >> Curiously, the results were exactly the opposite.? The carbon >> fiber panel with the loose carbon fiber was both stronger and >> more rigid at about 140% of the fiber under tension.? As >> carbon fiber is extremely inelastic and there was only about >> 1/4 of a check less material across the 14" span of the >> panel, I found this quite surprising.? I can only chalk it up >> to that nominal thinness in the panel under tension or an >> inate characteristic of carbon fiber that makes it more >> elastic under tension. >> This is also especially useless information because the >> difficult process turned out to also be the inferior process.? >> Thanks for your ear. >> >> Bob Nersesian >> B382000975 >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From bob_diehl at earthlink.net Tue Apr 7 17:56:27 2009 From: bob_diehl at earthlink.net (Bob Diehl) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 16:56:27 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Original Jack Color In-Reply-To: <699816D8B8664806A3D568AAA2FF55C7@xpseay> References: <932347.35813.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <699816D8B8664806A3D568AAA2FF55C7@xpseay> Message-ID: I've saved a couple of trunk pictures off of the net that show MK IIs with both gray and black jacks. Some of you might remember this first one. It comes from that very original, low mileage one owner car the appeared on Ebay a few years back. The VIN was B382100135: http://g5fc0a.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p5VQS80G0NVpM8Z3RudSIJdMOAq__tVmug90-u71048Qea5hox_3CdOrER4Y6-EVnHk6MUS15E8UHSQ-oeIJ8so090PTfJg20/3821-135-trunk-a.jpg This second shot was a part of a classified for an equally rare, one owner MK II out of Canada. In this case the VIN is B382100606: http://g5fc0a.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pOXZJiEvAyV1cXs6r22scRddGLXbJnUa-3zhmfewIGHbCY5XuueuMscZRrB3bwSgeUZ7myvjz7iZnbvbnkRm7TzFMgt1x6e-k/3821-606-trunk-a.jpg bob_diehl [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.285 / Virus Database: 270.11.45/2045 - Release Date: 04/07/09 06:41:00 From drmayf at mayfco.com Tue Apr 7 18:10:23 2009 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:10:23 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] non-Tiger/Carbon Fiber In-Reply-To: <73AEA0AE874245328576BF2B5239EF04@student2> References: <8CB85DE0F3DC2D6-1304-BBE@webmail-db19.sysops.aol.com> <73AEA0AE874245328576BF2B5239EF04@student2> Message-ID: <49DBEB6F.20404@mayfco.com> Science fair stuff. I have two boys and when they participated in the Science Fairs in Madison, Alabama (Blue Ribbon Presidential School no less, although a public one). My eldest was determined to find out about the nature of biological junk in the home in the form of bacteria and fungus. I had the capability to get lots of culture dishes for him and he set about placing those suckers all over the house. After exposure they were closed and left to grow. Each was labeled as to its location in the house and the exposure time. We had an old dog that lived in theh wash room at night and that got one also. When it was time for the cultures to be read, I had the lab take a look at them and give him the results. Man was he red faced. Of all the places in our house, his room was the worst! By far, lol. Never the less he placed the results on the story board and off to the science fair he went. Won a 1st place prize and a special commendation by the local medical experts. My second son, when it was his turn, decided to test a computer related issue. That of magnetic destruction of data on floppy disks. He used both the old 5.25" and newer 3.5 inch ones. He recorded data on both disks and together we fabbed up a tool to hold a rare earth magnet. It was made such that the magnet could be brought closer and closer to the disk. At each distance increment, he would remove the disk and read it in the computer. Now folks a rare earth samarium cobalt magnet is one of the strongest magnets on the planet and the one we had was big. That magnet had to be literally placed right on the disk before any data degradation was noticed. He presented his data and likewise won a 1st place honor. Fun stuff... Now as to carbon fiber.... interesting stuff. Most CF parts can be made from what they call prepreg or stuff that has the resin already on it, awaiting only the heating process to cure it. Thats how airplane wings, etc, are made. Prepreg is layed down, vacuum bagged and heat cured. When heated, CF does a strange thing, it shrinks or grows smaller. Sometimes getting the stuff loose from forms and mandrels can be a chore because of this. And since it is carbon, it is electrically conductive, a feature you must consider if building something that may operate around or in proximity to electricals. I am interested in how testing of the panels made for the science project were conducted. The rig for pulling and testing the loads or deflections, etc. And since the one panel was under strain during layup is suspect it had that strain built in with the resin. So in order to achieve more strain than it was fabbed under you have to pull more. Like a bolt in tension. If you torque it then in order for it to display any additionl stress you have to pull more than the pretension put into it by the torque. If any of that made sense, lol.. if not, I'll try agian mayf Thomas Witt wrote: > Actually this is more "car" related than you think. I too have > considered the same theory and, might I add, with considerations to my > Tiger. I would tend to go the way of Theo that the saturation of the > loose fibers gave better bonding. Sort like the difference between > setting bricks with a standard joint verse a 1/16" joint. > > Oh, and yes, been there done that. My son was in Science Fairs from > the 5th grade. Each year he placed at the County level and received > special awards. Except 7th grade, he only got one special award, and > did not place. Rather disappointed he persevered. In 8th grade, he > won 1st at the County and received three special awards. Advancing to > the State finals he won 1st place in the Aerodynamic/Hydrodynamic > category! > All this starts in the kids originating school. The irony is that year > in our little home school group there were only two contestants at his > grade level. My son placed 2nd, or effectively last, - then won 1st at > the State. :-) All the best in the adventure. It was always as > exciting as it was trying. > Tom From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 7 19:11:36 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Original Jack Color Message-ID: <733305.31879.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bill IF you want, you can adopt me or leave your Tiger to me in your will. I can only imangine the feeling of being an orginal owner of a Tiger. Be it a Mk1, 1A oe Mk2. Cogratulations on making the decesion to but, then to keep your car all these years. You and others should be rcongized at all Uniteds- IMHO perhaps. TtT --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Will Seay wrote: From fastsage at cox.net Tue Apr 7 19:14:34 2009 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 18:14:34 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Hard Top Screw Question Message-ID: <49DBFA7A.9010508@cox.net> Here's an obscure Tiger (or Alpine) question for the list: Does anyone know the correct size, thread (fine or coarse, etc), etc. of the two little screws that hold the hard top "flipper" mechanisms to the hard top. (I just made up that term, but this is the piece that you use to open and close the hard top side flipper windows.) I can't get those pieces to completely tighten to the hard top with any of the screws I've tried, so the windows don't shut properly. If anyone knows, I'd appreciate the information. Otherwise it's off to the hardware store to buy a lot of different sizes and try until it fits. In a related area, I finally did figure a way to get that triangular weather seal for the flipper windows to fit and make a "close to" airtight seal when you do close your hard top flipper windows, so if anyone needs that info, let me know. It takes a bit of work but it's pretty simple. Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.440) Database version: 6.12130 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 7 19:49:46 2009 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Original Jack Color In-Reply-To: <733305.31879.qm@web30405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <310596.98344.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tony... That's Will who is the "Original Owner." I' a "Long Time Owner" only... bought my Tigers in 1978 (Mark 2) and 1979 (Mark 1). Bill --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Tony Somebody wrote: From: Tony Somebody Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original Jack Color To: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net, "Tiger Talk List Tiger" , "Will Seay" Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 9:11 PM Bill IF you want, you can adopt me or leave your Tiger to me in your will. I can only imangine the feeling of being an orginal owner of a Tiger. Be it a Mk1, 1A oe Mk2. Cogratulations on making the decesion to but, then to keep your car all these years. You and others should be rcongized at all Uniteds- IMHO perhaps. TtT --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Will Seay wrote: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Apr 7 21:10:01 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:10:01 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hard Top Screw Question In-Reply-To: <49DBFA7A.9010508@cox.net> Message-ID: <7AB1B7B0C56C40EDB25324D8B5641DFD@ronpc1> Steve The Parts manual does not specify that screw but I believe it is a #6 UNC x 1/4", Phillips head. I changed mine to stainless steel screws and I can check tomorrow on the size, thread and length. Somewhere on TigerUnited there is a list of fasteners maybe it is listed there. You should relay the information about the your flipper window fix to the list. It could be valuable information to the next person who is working on their hardtop. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Sage Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:15 PM To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] Hard Top Screw Question Here's an obscure Tiger (or Alpine) question for the list: Does anyone know the correct size, thread (fine or coarse, etc), etc. of the two little screws that hold the hard top "flipper" mechanisms to the hard top. (I just made up that term, but this is the piece that you use to open and close the hard top side flipper windows.) I can't get those pieces to completely tighten to the hard top with any of the screws I've tried, so the windows don't shut properly. If anyone knows, I'd appreciate the information. Otherwise it's off to the hardware store to buy a lot of different sizes and try until it fits. In a related area, I finally did figure a way to get that triangular weather seal for the flipper windows to fit and make a "close to" airtight seal when you do close your hard top flipper windows, so if anyone needs that info, let me know. It takes a bit of work but it's pretty simple. Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.440) Database version: 6.12130 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.44/2044 - Release Date: 04/07/09 06:41:00 From tsmit at shaw.ca Tue Apr 7 22:13:05 2009 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:13:05 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Hard Top Screw Question In-Reply-To: <49DBFA7A.9010508@cox.net> References: <49DBFA7A.9010508@cox.net> Message-ID: <49DC2451.8020108@shaw.ca> Steve, I don't know for sure about the hardtop side, but the windshield frame side was 10-32 on my Tiger. At the time I was messing with those I didn't have that size but I did have metric M5 x 0.8 countersunk screws, and the thread in the windshield frame is just short enough that the screws will go in, with a moderate interference fit. Theo Steve Sage wrote: > Here's an obscure Tiger (or Alpine) question for the list: From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Tue Apr 7 22:15:42 2009 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 23:15:42 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Need a favor Message-ID: I need a favor from someone willing to remove the badge from the lower right corner of the trunk lid for a few minutes. I propose: 1) remove the badge 2) wrap the lower right-hand corner of the trunk lid with heavy-duty foil 3) locate the holes in the foil 4) replace the badge 5) mail me the template Anybody out there willing? Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From fastsage at cox.net Tue Apr 7 23:57:43 2009 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:57:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Hard Top Screw Question In-Reply-To: <49DC346E.4020701@cox.net> References: <7AB1B7B0C56C40EDB25324D8B5641DFD@ronpc1> <49DC346E.4020701@cox.net> Message-ID: <49DC3CD7.5060409@cox.net> Steve Sage wrote: > Ron: > That is a great Tiger fastener list in Tigers United but I just looked > and unfortunately it covers everything except the hard top. If you can > figure what size you used, I would appreciate it. > Here's the flipper window trim workup. Don't read it unless you really > want to because I go into maybe way too much detail. The trim diagram > below will probably not be to proportion when it hits the list, but > you'll get the idea of the triangle shape. > B1 > > X X X > xX x > B X x > X x > X x > X X X X X X > > A A1 > > > First off, out of the bag from the supplier, the triangle rubber trim > piece is too big. You have to cut some of it out. I made the cut on > both windows at A1 above, in that lower front corner. I cut completely > through the trim at that point. Then cut a little bit from the > veritcal length going from B1 down to A1, but before you do, be very > careful and only cut a little at a time, then press it on the window > frame. If you cut too much, you can't put it back together, so > carefully figure ahead of time how much you want to cut. That piece > going from B1 down to A1 seems to be the main culprit. It's too long. > The bottom piece (from A to A1) and top piece (from B up to B1) fit > pretty closely. They are both close to the correct length. Depending > on how concours you want to be, you could completely cut out the B1 to > A1 piece. I may do that as I had the frames chromed and the B1 to A1 > rubber covers half of that pretty chrome. I don't see a functional > reason for using that piece but I think the factory seal did use it. > Here's trick #1 for making a good seal from the rubber trim to the > flipper windows when you close them. In the back lower corner (A on > the diagram) be sure to press the trim into that corner as flush as > you can. Jam it back there. If you don't, the window will not seal at > that point. Now pay attention to the "flange" of the rubber trim that > sits on the hartop side rails. The idea of this part of the trim, > which will be apparent when you look down at it, is so when you close > the flipper window it will make contact with it and make a seal when > closed. That part of the seal does not usually make a straight line > from front to back. On my pieces, it was very "wavy". So, very > carefully (don't slip and scratch the paint), stretch the rubber > outward toward the open flipper window, wherever it's not in a > straight line from front to back. . I used needle nose pliers and put > a cloth underneath then to lessen the chance of scratching the paint. > I did slip a couple of times and the cloth saved me. After stretching > it out at the three or four needed points, and stretching it out a few > times, the rubber stays stretched out and now makes a good seal when > closing the window. I didn't have to do much stretching on the upper > piece (B in the diagram) but you may have to as each trim piece will > be a little different. That's a lot of wording for what is actually a fairly simple job, so let me know if you have any questions. Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.440) Database version: 6.12130 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From daniel.doornbos at intel.com Wed Apr 8 01:37:00 2009 From: daniel.doornbos at intel.com (Doornbos, Daniel) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 10:37:00 +0300 Subject: [Tigers] non-Tiger/Carbon Fiber Message-ID: <500A3A6F8552D341A3B56D4E59457F150930F5F0@hasmsx001.ger.corp.intel.com> What is the measure of strength, perpendicular to the sheet (stacking/hanging weights from the center as it lay flat) or parallel placing the sheet in tension (hanging weights from the end)? Was the non tension CF lay up physically the same after cure, smooth and flat? Wrinkles or ridges could give a flat sheet strength. For instance the same reason all large spans of sheet metal have creases, like car doors, hoods, etc. All have some edge or shape to give them strength. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Intel Electronics Ltd. This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. From wowens at dslextreme.com Wed Apr 8 06:44:41 2009 From: wowens at dslextreme.com (wowens @dslextreme.com) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:44:41 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] March Issue of "Retro Cars" Message-ID: Just picked up the March issue of Retro Cars, a UK rag at a local Barnes & Noble. Has a great article on Patrick Watts' 2006 British Historic Raly Championship car as well as his 2008 car, both tigers. It's a good article, the usual ~1/3 tiger history, 2/3 subject car profile. It's nice to read a piece about tigers that are recent race champions! Winds From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Wed Apr 8 07:25:04 2009 From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:25:04 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Test Message-ID: **************New Deals on Dell Netbooks b Now starting at $299 (A HREF=http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219939010x1201342897/aol?redir= http:%2F %2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213771626%3B35379597%3Bw) From awtiger at cox.net Wed Apr 8 07:37:59 2009 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 9:37:59 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Last Sunday's "My Classic Car" episode In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090408093759.I0SSA.440005.imail@eastrmwml09> Hey, guys: Was it just me, or did I see a Tiger in the background on "My Classic Car" with Dennis Gage last Sunday? He was shooting from the Charleston Rod Run in Charleston, West Virginia and, as he was talking to the owner of one car, my wife spotted a familiar-looking shape in the background behind it. Sure enough, it was a Carnival Red Tiger (Mk1A I believe). Does anyone on the list know who's it was??? Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX From mark.rense at ge.com Wed Apr 8 09:20:08 2009 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:20:08 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] non-Tiger/Carbon Fiber In-Reply-To: <73AEA0AE874245328576BF2B5239EF04@student2> References: <8CB85DE0F3DC2D6-1304-BBE@webmail-db19.sysops.aol.com> <73AEA0AE874245328576BF2B5239EF04@student2> Message-ID: My oldest was a science geek just like her dad, and along with it came the long nights of building projects, science fair awards, and AP science classes that eventually lead to the undergrad scholarships in biology. But despite all that, all does not end well...she grew up to be a lawyer! :>) Bugz From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Apr 8 09:34:48 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:34:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Need a favor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim You did not specify but you have a round cornered trunk lid? Alpines have the same badge location too. I would think you could see the at least the location of 1 of the badge holes from the back side of the trunk lid. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James E. Pickard Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:16 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Need a favor I need a favor from someone willing to remove the badge from the lower right corner of the trunk lid for a few minutes. I propose: 1) remove the badge 2) wrap the lower right-hand corner of the trunk lid with heavy-duty foil 3) locate the holes in the foil 4) replace the badge 5) mail me the template Anybody out there willing? Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.46/2046 - Release Date: 04/07/09 17:53:00 From jim at island.net Wed Apr 8 10:22:13 2009 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:22:13 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rear car height/inverted springs!? In-Reply-To: <20090407152117.U4L65.72783.root@hrndva-web28-z01> References: <20090407152117.U4L65.72783.root@hrndva-web28-z01> Message-ID: <23D6933E3DEC452EB99671527DF390A2@JIMPC> My car had a lot of 'tricks' done to it ( some good/lots bad )before I bought it. It's a bit low to the ground for my liking and I decided to look into it this year. I addressed the front earlier this winter. The original coils had been torched off about 2 1/2"... apparently too much as there were coil spacers installed to try and prop it back up . Not a good thing ! I recently had a look at the backs. First thing I noticed was that the front bushing was at the bottom of the eye instead of the top. After removing them I see why. The main leaf has been inverted !! No wonder it likes to bottom out ! Has anyone ever run across this before...?? Jim G --- "Smit wrote: > Just lower the front to match ;) > > Do you have the same tires on the front and rear? What are the springs > in front? > > Theo > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Samouce's > > Sent: April 6, 2009 8:21 PM > > To: tigers at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Tigers] Rear car height > > > > Hello all, > > > > I HAVE MY CAR BACK!!! It was at the shop for 5 weeks to get > > the valance replaced. Have it back and the work completed is amazing. > > > > I have new rear tires installed to replace the ones that were > > too wide (215/65R13). The rear wheel wells were also > > repaired and trimmed and all is good at the back now. > > Problem is, I think it sits too low. > > > > I have JAP wheels with 195/65R13 tires with Dale's rear leaf > > springs. I want the rear to be 1" higher at the rear wheel > > wells. The easiest answer is longer shackles. Who makes > > shackles that are ~1" longer than stock? > > > > TIA, > > Duke > > B382002037 > > _______________________________________________ From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Apr 8 10:23:32 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 12:23:32 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hard Top Screw Question In-Reply-To: <49DBFA7A.9010508@cox.net> Message-ID: <1852B5E4CA70401BAAF851973FF2B858@ronpc1> Steve Just checked my hard top and I have 2 original screws and 2 replacement screws. Original screw is a #6 x 32 x 3/8", oval head screw. This is a PoziDriv head screw, similar to Phillips head, with a countersink to match the bracket plus it appears to be nickel plated. Replacement screws are SS #6 x 32 x 1/2", pan head Phillips. At the time I could not find a similar oval head SS screw. SS can be polished to match the chrome. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Sage Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:15 PM To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] Hard Top Screw Question Here's an obscure Tiger (or Alpine) question for the list: Does anyone know the correct size, thread (fine or coarse, etc), etc. of the two little screws that hold the hard top "flipper" mechanisms to the hard top. (I just made up that term, but this is the piece that you use to open and close the hard top side flipper windows.) I can't get those pieces to completely tighten to the hard top with any of the screws I've tried, so the windows don't shut properly. If anyone knows, I'd appreciate the information. Otherwise it's off to the hardware store to buy a lot of different sizes and try until it fits. In a related area, I finally did figure a way to get that triangular weather seal for the flipper windows to fit and make a "close to" airtight seal when you do close your hard top flipper windows, so if anyone needs that info, let me know. It takes a bit of work but it's pretty simple. Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.440) Database version: 6.12130 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.44/2044 - Release Date: 04/07/09 06:41:00 From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Apr 8 10:38:26 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 09:38:26 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rear car height/inverted springs!? References: <20090407152117.U4L65.72783.root@hrndva-web28-z01> <23D6933E3DEC452EB99671527DF390A2@JIMPC> Message-ID: Sounds like it was set up for oval, dirt track racing! Overall though it seems like something that needs furture investigation. Hopefully it wasn't done to compensate for a bent unibody. It sounds like at the least the springs should be removed, compared and if similar, reinstalled correctly. Otherwise, replaced. Tom From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Apr 8 11:09:44 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:09:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Need a favor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jim I took some measurements that might help you. 1st find the center of the trunk lid at lower edge - my trunk is 982mm wide, center = 491mm. Use masking tape and pencil to mark centerline also place some tape at the lower edge where the badge is located. I used a square from the lid edge up to the badge hole centerline. Center of lid to badge hole measurement then lip edge up to BOTTOM of each hole. 352mm x 92.7mm You should be able to see this hole from the back side of the trunk. 379mm x 62.4mm 393mm x 92.7mm The hole diameter is 4.1mm. Lay it out see if that will work for you. Hopefully it will get you close. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James E. Pickard Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 12:16 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Need a favor I need a favor from someone willing to remove the badge from the lower right corner of the trunk lid for a few minutes. I propose: 1) remove the badge 2) wrap the lower right-hand corner of the trunk lid with heavy-duty foil 3) locate the holes in the foil 4) replace the badge 5) mail me the template Anybody out there willing? Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.46/2046 - Release Date: 04/07/09 17:53:00 From sralsten at ca.rr.com Wed Apr 8 11:44:47 2009 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:44:47 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Need a favor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090408174447.RMYCT.110487.root@cdptpa-web02-z01> Do you have access to another Tiger or Alpine ? I had your same problem. I measured another car from bottom of badge point to lower edge of truck lid and from right side of badge to right side of trunck lid. Then I took a 1/2 thick piece of pine about double the size of the badge. Put badge on it and marked badge prongs on wood then drilled the wood out and taped badge in place on wood. Put wood on trunk lid and position properly with measurements then using wood clamp clamped wood down. Remove badge and using the holes you put in wood as a template drill through trunk lid. Put the prong clamps in the new trunk lid holes and insert badge. If I recall properly the hole through metal is 3/16" to hold the clips correctly. Rick at SS had the answer, run that past him before you drill metal. Steve B9473720 From jteepen at usatoday.com Wed Apr 8 13:39:47 2009 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 15:39:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Last Sunday's "My Classic Car" episode In-Reply-To: <20090408093759.I0SSA.440005.imail@eastrmwml09> Message-ID: <22D6EDA3E0A9E3498F3C3FC3697DCE340EC206A5@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> Eric Gibeaut (sp?) lives in that area, I believe. He is a member of Tigers East/Alpines East. I am pretty sure he has several Sunbeams (including a Venezia) one of which may have been his on the show. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of awtiger at cox.net Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:38 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Last Sunday's "My Classic Car" episode Hey, guys: Was it just me, or did I see a Tiger in the background on "My Classic Car" with Dennis Gage last Sunday? He was shooting from the Charleston Rod Run in Charleston, West Virginia and, as he was talking to the owner of one car, my wife spotted a familiar-looking shape in the background behind it. Sure enough, it was a Carnival Red Tiger (Mk1A I believe). Does anyone on the list know who's it was??? Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX From Drmoonstone at aol.com Wed Apr 8 15:39:48 2009 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:39:48 EDT Subject: [Tigers] PowDer coating removal Message-ID: Powder coating can be removed with acid, burned off of blasted with abrasive (alu. oxide at a moderate pressure) Moonstone BH Coating ************** New Deals on Dell Netbooks b Now starting at $299 (A HREF=http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219939010x1201342897/aol?redir= http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213771626%3B35379597%3Bw) From spook01 at comcast.net Wed Apr 8 15:51:56 2009 From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 21:51:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Rear car height/inverted springs!? In-Reply-To: <1057621883.1783081239227436688.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1435364493.1783601239227516643.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> yep.B this trick was used a lot back in the late 70's early 80's to drop the rear and stiffen it for autocrossing .B the fronts were sometimes from a hilux toyota pickup, and sometimes torched to lower...sometimes a little too much. torching them made them both lower and stiffer.B the combo of flipped upper rear leaf and truck front gave a LOW car,B and with relocated upper a armB bolts for anti dive, it worked on the autocross course.B of course, that was when the cars were driven hard not just buffed to a high gloss.......but times have changed somewhat. just take the spring apart and flip the upper leaf back over.B after this long, you may have to send it too a spring guy to get the ride height back.B buy a set of stock springs for the front, and make sure the upper a arm bolts are in a straight line.B voila!B stocker . ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" < jim @island.net> To: tigers@ autox .team.net Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 11:22:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear car height/inverted springs!? My car had a lot of 'tricks' done to it ( some good/lots bad )before I bought it. It's B a bit low to the ground for my liking and I decided to look into it this year. B I addressed the front earlier this winter. The original coils had been torched off about 2 1/2"... apparently too much as there were coil spacers installed to try and prop it back up . Not a good thing ! I recently had a look at the backs. First thing I noticed was that the front bushing was at the bottom of the eye instead of the top. After removing them I see why. The main leaf has been inverted !! No wonder it likes to bottom out ! Has anyone ever run across this before...?? Jim G --- " Smit wrote: > Just lower the front to match ;) > > Do you have the same tires on the front and rear? What are the springs > in front? > > Theo > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces@ autox .team.net > > [ mailto :tigers-bounces@ autox .team.net] On Behalf Of Samouce's > > Sent: April 6, 2009 8:21 PM > > To: tigers@ autox .team.net > > Subject: [Tigers] Rear car height > > > > Hello all, > > > > I HAVE MY CAR BACK!!! B It was at the shop for 5 weeks to get > > the valance replaced. B Have it back and the work completed is amazing. > > > > I have new rear tires installed to replace the ones that were > > too wide (215/65R13). B The rear wheel wells were also > > repaired and trimmed and all is good at the back now. B > > Problem is, I think it sits too low. > > > > I have JAP wheels with 195/65R13 tires with Dale's rear leaf > > springs. B I want the rear to be 1" higher at the rear wheel > > wells. The easiest answer is longer shackles. B Who makes > > shackles that are ~1" longer than stock? > > > > TIA, > > Duke > > B382002037 > > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net B http :// www .team.net/donate. html Tigers@ autox .team.net http :// autox .team.net/mailman/ listinfo /tigers http :// www .team.net/archive From DJoh797014 at aol.com Wed Apr 8 17:16:54 2009 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 19:16:54 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Last Sunday's "My Classic Car" episode Message-ID: Years ago, Dennis Gage used my Tiger to introduce his show when at the IN SAAC Spring Fling. Its still used in some openings. You can see the Tiger on the left fender nad other Tigers in the background. Why my car? Because I have my top down and in the shade. Perfect lighting for the camera. All the GT350's and such are hardtops and hide his trademark handle bars. Come to the Fling this May 16th-17th. You'll never miss it again. Dave Johnson **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Wed Apr 8 17:37:24 2009 From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 19:37:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] THE BRISBANE MARINA BRITISH CAR DAY - 9 -13 - 09 Message-ID: <1254359.1239233844779.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> 32nd year in the San Francisco Bay Area..... THE BRISBANE MARINA BRITISH CAR DAY SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 13th, 2009 And now for something completely different..... Join your British car friends, once again, for a smashing day at the Brisbane Marina. Over 200 quirky, classic, and lovable British cars will once again gather in the Bay Area for our 32nd Annual British Car Meet. We have been doing this on the same weekend for over 30 years and just because the times, they are a-changin,b webll be a-changinb with the times. After careful consideration of the present economy, fading sponsorship, and smaller attendance, combined with the decentralization of the hobby in general and a number of new competing Northern California events, we have decided to try something that is quite like the first British Car Meet held in Palo Alto in 1978. A one day FREE event .......... That's right, FREE.... Sunday Parking Lot Show & Tell: This will be a simple, no fees, no frills, no awards gathering of British and Arcane car enthusiasts. We have made arrangements with the good folks at the Sierra Point Yacht Club to set up in the parking lots around the club. As last year, the Yacht Club will be offering an optional Sunday brunch and coffee. It all starts Sunday morning at 8:30AM. Sunday Bay To Breakers Tour To Cameron's Pub: These tours take you over some of the most beautiful roads in Northern California. There will be two optional routes; one direct yet still quite scenic, and another with a backroad component. We will be starting tour cars from a staging area by the entrance. Cars will leave in small groups between about 8:30 and 10:00AM - The shorter route should take less than an hour and the backroads route will take a bit more than an hour... Cars should start gathering at Cameron's at about 10:00AM, a combination of early tour drivers and people who live near the coast. Directions To The Brisbane Marina: The Brisbane Marina is located on Sierra Point, just east of the Bayshore Freeway (101) in Brisbane, between San Francisco and the SF Airport/Highway 380. Just take the Brisbane/Sierra Point Exit and follow the signs to the Marina. Cameron's Pub is located at 1410 S. Cabrillo Hwy in Half Moon Bay. It is just south of downtown on the west side of the coast highway. Information: 310-392-6605 b" e-mail: Website: www.allcarcentral.com/thebritishcarnetwork.html From dave at munroe.ca Thu Apr 9 09:55:26 2009 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 12:55:26 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Differential drive shaft flange In-Reply-To: References: <20090407152117.U4L65.72783.root@hrndva-web28-z01> <23D6933E3DEC452EB99671527DF390A2@JIMPC> Message-ID: Hi Guys; I am in the middle of a posi installation and a gear swap from 3.07 to original 2.88's in my Tiger's rear end. We discovered on dismantling that the P.O. had installed an American ring and gear set with the fine (26 tooth) pinion shaft and matching flange. My 2.88's have the original Tiger 10 tooth pinion shaft. Sooooo... Anyone have a matching, original Tiger, 10 tooth flange they want to sell, or know where I might get one? Many thanks in advance for any help finding one... Cheers, Dave B382000450 From sganz at pacbell.net Thu Apr 9 10:51:28 2009 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 09:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Differential drive shaft flange In-Reply-To: References: <20090407152117.U4L65.72783.root@hrndva-web28-z01> <23D6933E3DEC452EB99671527DF390A2@JIMPC> Message-ID: <942020.76868.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dave - You might check some of the Jaguar places but not sure if they have the Flange style, also some older 4x4's might have the flange for the Dana 44's. I will have one when I go the other way around by removing the 2.88's, but not for a bit. This one from Speedway might work, but not sure about driveshaft length since not a flange style. http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Jaguar-Yoke,3780.html I am not sure about 'chevy' u joints but I would guess that is a 1310 as well. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Dave Munroe To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 8:55:26 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Differential drive shaft flange Hi Guys; I am in the middle of a posi installation and a gear swap from 3.07 to original 2.88's in my Tiger's rear end. We discovered on dismantling that the P.O. had installed an American ring and gear set with the fine (26 tooth) pinion shaft and matching flange. My 2.88's have the original Tiger 10 tooth pinion shaft. Sooooo... Anyone have a matching, original Tiger, 10 tooth flange they want to sell, or know where I might get one? Many thanks in advance for any help finding one... Cheers, Dave B382000450 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From dave at munroe.ca Thu Apr 9 11:12:32 2009 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:12:32 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Differential drive shaft flange In-Reply-To: <942020.76868.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20090407152117.U4L65.72783.root@hrndva-web28-z01><23D6933E3DEC452EB99671527DF390A2@JIMPC><942020.76868.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1267355361-1239297178-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-658992561-@bxe1094.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Thanks Sandy: I had no idea these rear ends were so widely used. I'll have look around and see what I can find in those corners. Dave Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -----Original Message----- From: Sandy Ganz Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 09:51:28 To: Dave Munroe; Subject: Re: [Tigers] Differential drive shaft flange Dave - You might check some of the Jaguar places but not sure if they have the Flange style, also some older 4x4's might have the flange for the Dana 44's. I will have one when I go the other way around by removing the 2.88's, but not for a bit. This one from Speedway might work, but not sure about driveshaft length since not a flange style. http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Jaguar-Yoke,3780.html I am not sure about 'chevy' u joints but I would guess that is a 1310 as well. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Dave Munroe To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 8:55:26 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Differential drive shaft flange Hi Guys; I am in the middle of a posi installation and a gear swap from 3.07 to original 2.88's in my Tiger's rear end. We discovered on dismantling that the P.O. had installed an American ring and gear set with the fine (26 tooth) pinion shaft and matching flange. My 2.88's have the original Tiger 10 tooth pinion shaft. Sooooo... Anyone have a matching, original Tiger, 10 tooth flange they want to sell, or know where I might get one? Many thanks in advance for any help finding one... Cheers, Dave B382000450_______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Thu Apr 9 11:44:39 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 10:44:39 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Differential drive shaft flange In-Reply-To: References: <20090407152117.U4L65.72783.root@hrndva-web28-z01> <23D6933E3DEC452EB99671527DF390A2@JIMPC> Message-ID: <49DE3407.4060706@SoCal.rr.com> Dave, The Jaguar uses a few types of LSD manufacturers, including Reman and Dana. The Dana unit is available with 2.88:1 gear ratio, or the Tiger Dana 2.88's can bolt right on with the original ring gear bolts. I bought a unit a while ago, but haven't had it installed because it is NOT a DIY job. Maybe a 4WD shop handles it. Check with Jag and Range Rover dealers to see who they use. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Dave Munroe wrote: > Hi Guys; > > I am in the middle of a posi installation and a gear swap from 3.07 to > original 2.88's in my Tiger's rear end. > > We discovered on dismantling that the P.O. had installed an American > ring and gear set with the fine (26 tooth) pinion shaft and matching > flange. > > My 2.88's have the original Tiger 10 tooth pinion shaft. Sooooo... > > Anyone have a matching, original Tiger, 10 tooth flange they want to > sell, or know where I might get one? > Many thanks in advance for any help finding one... > > Cheers, > > Dave > > B382000450 From atwittsend at verizon.net Thu Apr 9 12:30:43 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 11:30:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Differential drive shaft flange References: <20090407152117.U4L65.72783.root@hrndva-web28-z01> <23D6933E3DEC452EB99671527DF390A2@JIMPC> Message-ID: <6D26D3985517427499A134DCDC7B421E@student2> Dave, I have one. There is some wear/pitting where the seal rides. The splines look good. Let me know if you are interested. My wife just got one of those $500 "Red Light Camera" tickets and I'm selling off things to pay for it - being unemployed and all. Tom From rootes1 at earthlink.net Sun Apr 12 12:26:31 2009 From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 11:26:31 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] ATK TAC Message-ID: [] HOORAH PTC ncm [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.11.54/2055 - Release Date: 04/12/09 13:14:00 From sralsten at ca.rr.com Mon Apr 13 12:45:30 2009 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:45:30 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] "New" LRO Tiger on ebay Message-ID: <20090413184531.IADWC.160134.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> Ran into a car for sale near me on ebay. Looks like orig rivets on chassis tag. Needs lots of work but I notice it is an LROFE car and not in the registry. Norm did not know of it and said it is LROFE #52 to appear. Wish I had the money and time to start an LRO collection. Ebay item 280333109433 Steve R B9473720 LROFE From sralsten at ca.rr.com Mon Apr 13 12:52:14 2009 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:52:14 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] "New" LRO Tiger on ebay Message-ID: <20090413185215.3LBIO.160222.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> Ran into a car for sale near me on ebay. Looks like orig rivets on chassis tag. Needs lots of work but I notice it is an LROFE car and not in the registry. Norm did not know of it and said it is LROFE #52 to appear. Wish I had the money and time to start an LRO collection. Ebay item 280333109433 Steve R B9473720 LROFE From cmccann at lwpb.com Mon Apr 13 13:04:56 2009 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:04:56 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] "New" LRO Tiger on ebay In-Reply-To: <20090413185215.3LBIO.160222.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> References: <20090413185215.3LBIO.160222.root@cdptpa-web19-z01> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473309E8C2036F@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> yep, I saw that this morning too....looks like a great place to start from what I can tell...the guy says that anyone is welcome to verify that it's a tiger, but from all I can see it looks like one to me. It sort of hit home with me as well since my car is BRG as well, color code 86.... -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten at ca.rr.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 1:52 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] "New" LRO Tiger on ebay Ran into a car for sale near me on ebay. Looks like orig rivets on chassis tag. Needs lots of work but I notice it is an LROFE car and not in the registry. Norm did not know of it and said it is LROFE #52 to appear. Wish I had the money and time to start an LRO collection. Ebay item 280333109433 Steve R B9473720 LROFE Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 18:57:22 2009 From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:57:22 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Headlamp Bucket Message-ID: <49e3df73.281d640a.5638.7f3f@mx.google.com> Hey, How does the headlamp bucket attach to the body? My body guy is about ready to start shooting paint but he wants to mount the headlights to make sure everything lines up. I've got a pair of new buckets and gaskets but I'm not sure how they attach to the body. Sheetmetal screws? What size? Thanks, Joe Brown B382000217 From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 20:27:39 2009 From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:27:39 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Headlamp Bucket In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <49e3f49d.0e36640a.0d78.481c@mx.google.com> Thanks to Patrick King and Robert Neeley for the quick responses. I was just digging through my ziplock bags of rusted stuff and it looks like my headlamp rims were of the snap-on variety because I found two snap-on clips that fit into the buckets. My replacement buckets have a clip for the screw-on rims and my old snap-on clips will fit into the same slots. I'm a little confused because my Book of Norman says that Sunbeam went to the screw-on style with the B947/B948 cars. Mine is a B382. Thanks, Joe Brown B382000217 -----Original Message----- From: Patrick [mailto:jpkkmk at aol.com] Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:57 PM To: 'Joe Brown' Subject: RE: [Tigers] Headlamp Bucket Joe Originally these were mounted with three rivets. Patrick King -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Brown Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:57 PM To: 'Tiger List' Subject: [Tigers] Headlamp Bucket Hey, How does the headlamp bucket attach to the body? My body guy is about ready to start shooting paint but he wants to mount the headlights to make sure everything lines up. I've got a pair of new buckets and gaskets but I'm not sure how they attach to the body. Sheetmetal screws? What size? Thanks, Joe Brown B382000217 From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Mon Apr 13 21:20:43 2009 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:20:43 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Nothing but body filler Message-ID: <05857131C28746E59B4DDC247054B148@JEPHome> Bill Waite made me a template for the trunk badge and I made one for the passenger side from the driver side using the Tiger script holes. When I drilled the holes I hit nothing but body filler. Not a metal flake in sight! Awesome. Thanks to Bill and others on this list for the ideas. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From fabbro at shaw.ca Mon Apr 13 23:27:17 2009 From: fabbro at shaw.ca (Fabbro) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:27:17 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Ford Fairmont Pulley Message-ID: Can some one please tell me what year or years and engines these smaller pulleys came from? I will be putting a motor back together and would like to make use of the smaller pulley set up. Thanks Kim From robertn at surewest.net Mon Apr 13 23:41:45 2009 From: robertn at surewest.net (Robert Neeley) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:41:45 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Undercoating Message-ID: <141AE259-B65E-44B9-AF5D-CF296E9BAF10@surewest.net> Longtime listener, first time caller ... I've just had my car stripped and am wondering what opinions are out there regarding new undercoating. I'm trying to stay close to original in texture and finish. Thanks! 66 Tigers B382001399 B382001461 From Timothy.Ronak at akzonobel.com Mon Apr 13 23:44:31 2009 From: Timothy.Ronak at akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 01:44:31 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF0BEB4835@norn32.d30.intra> Listers, Please forgive the following ad .... Tiger B382000680 is up for sale and the price is $37,500 -$40,000 depending what the buyer wants as I have a TON of spare bits. It is in GREAT running order but could use paint and the drive train is highly up-rated and is an absolute Missile to drive and is likely one of the fastest Tigers you will ever come across. Included Brief list of Upgrades 4 - wheel disks (vented front late model Mustang rear) with working emergency and dual Master 349.6 Cu In stroker with 381 HP and 405 lb ft AT THE WHEELS (Engine build up is on www.TigersUnited.com Performance tuning/Lunati Stroker buildup. Rebuilt Mark 2 Toploader by Dale A. Centerforce Dual Friction Disk Rebuilt diff with Trac lok posi and 2:88 Dale A. super rear leaf springs Dale A upgraded front SUPER FAT control arms with Teflon bushings New Edelbrock shocks front and Back Fluidyne Aluminum Rad Kent Wilcox LAT hood Functional Ram air (One off fabricated by me) Line Lock New Windshield wiper motor installed but not hooked up (Need to lube the Wiper transmission first) New Top New Leather seat covers Spare Original complete 260 engine including Oil Filter set up and Intake and Carb Mint original Hard top with all good glass, perfect original headliner, and new seals (one small ding in top from storage) The car was built as a driver and could use a paint job but it did not look bad enough for me to do it and it attracts a lot of attention as it is. This is the official listing of the car and only one person has looked at it this far. I do need to move it so if you want a rocket ship ... this is your chance. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings, Inc. 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Cell: 949-289-3357 FX: 425-955-6268 Email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal Email: timronak at cox.net If you received this message in error please inform the sender and delete the message. From Carmods at aol.com Tue Apr 14 06:50:36 2009 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:50:36 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Penetrants Message-ID: The following may be of interest to those doing restorations. John Logan Machinist's Workshop magazine tested penetrants for break out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment. The results are as follows; Penetrating oil..... Average load None ..................... 516 pounds WD-40 .................. 238 pounds PB Blaster ............. 214 pounds Liquid Wrench ..... 127 pounds Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix....53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000002) From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Apr 14 08:10:44 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:10:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Ford Fairmont Pulley In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kim Here is an email that Theo Smit sent out about this. I have no idea what the diameter of this particular pulley might be. I'm using a D5ZE-8509-AC pulley. This is a single-sheave pulley originally from a 6 cylinder (79-83 or so) Mustang. On my old pump I didn't have to press anything to get perfect alignment, while on the replacement pump I ended up having to move it just a smidge. On the new pump I did have to make clearance (by trimming the ribs) for the inside of the pulley bell. The part number decodes to originally being from a (1975) Mustang application, but those didn't have the inline six that I think I got the pulley from... Theo Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Fabbro Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:27 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Ford Fairmont Pulley Can some one please tell me what year or years and engines these smaller pulleys came from? I will be putting a motor back together and would like to make use of the smaller pulley set up. Thanks Kim No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.54/2056 - Release Date: 04/13/09 05:51:00 From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Apr 14 08:11:08 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:11:08 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Ford Fairmont Pulley In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D1570190528D@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Hi Kim, I got mine from a an '80 or '81 Mustang with the straight 6, if I recall correctly. This was about ten years ago - I don't know if those would still be common at the autowreckers. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Fabbro > Sent: April 13, 2009 11:27 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Ford Fairmont Pulley > > Can some one please tell me what year or years and engines > these smaller pulleys came from? I will be putting a motor > back together and would like to make use of the smaller pulley set up. > Thanks > Kim > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Apr 14 09:23:38 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:23:38 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Ford Fairmont Pulley In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D1570190528E@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> The diameter is very close to the OEM pulley size, I think. The difference is that it has a cylindrical 'hat', as opposed to the OEM pulley's conical hat. This creates the potential for interference with the webbing on the pump body casting. When I got a replacement water pump I had to trim down a couple of the webs to clear the ID of the pulley. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser > Sent: April 14, 2009 8:11 AM > To: 'Fabbro'; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ford Fairmont Pulley > > Kim > Here is an email that Theo Smit sent out about this. I have no > idea what the diameter of this particular pulley might be. > > > I'm using a D5ZE-8509-AC pulley. This is a single-sheave > pulley originally from a 6 cylinder (79-83 or so) Mustang. On > my old pump I didn't have to press anything to get perfect > alignment, while on the replacement pump I ended up having to > move it just a smidge. On the new pump I did have to make > clearance (by trimming the ribs) for the inside of the pulley bell. > > The part number decodes to originally being from a (1975) > Mustang application, but those didn't have the inline six > that I think I got the pulley from... > Theo > > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Fabbro > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:27 AM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Ford Fairmont Pulley > > > Can some one please tell me what year or years and engines > these smaller pulleys came from? I will be putting a motor > back together and would like to make use of the smaller > pulley set up. Thanks Kim No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.54/2056 - Release > Date: 04/13/09 05:51:00 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From spook01 at comcast.net Tue Apr 14 09:25:04 2009 From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:25:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Penetrants In-Reply-To: <999861481.1842401239722652602.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <426876080.1842861239722704590.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> wd 40 was designed as a Water Dispersant. it doubles as a penetrating oil... ----- Original Message ----- From: Carmods at aol.com To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 7:50:36 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Tigers] Penetrants The following may be of interest to those doing B restorations. John Logan B Machinist's Workshop magazine tested penetrants B for break out torque on rusted nuts. B They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque required B to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment. The results B are as follows; B Penetrating oil..... Average B load None ..................... 516 B pounds WD-40 .................. 238 B pounds PB Blaster ............. 214 B pounds Liquid Wrench ..... 127 pounds Kano Kroil ............ 106 B pounds ATF-Acetone mix....53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000002) Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From vegaslegal at aol.com Mon Apr 13 20:47:18 2009 From: vegaslegal at aol.com (vegaslegal at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:47:18 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Non-Tiger Carbon Fiber response. Message-ID: <8CB8AC275ED4C1E-58C-1177@mblk-d32.sysops.aol.com> Wow, thanks for the interest.? That was fun.? As to answering the questions, the carbon fiber was pure and untreated.? The mix for the lay-up was a standard two ingredient plastic made for the purpose.? The same mix was used on each panel.? The tension was put on the tensioned panel with a canvas streatcher for artists.? Each panel was set atop the bottom of a pie plate which then left an outline to cut out the identical panels.? The regidity and weight bearing characteristics were determined by setting the identical sized panels across a span (actually various spans?of different lengths).? Nickels were then stacked in the center and the flexion measured (thus being able to determine the % difference as related to weight).? Thank you for being polite and asking. P.S.? Sorry to hear about the daughter/lawyer thing.? If its any consolation, she didn't go into American automotive design.? See:? My home town--Detroit. Bob 382000975 From mark.rense at ge.com Tue Apr 14 09:29:46 2009 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:29:46 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Test Message-ID: My sent messages keep getting bounced From mark.rense at ge.com Tue Apr 14 09:31:11 2009 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:31:11 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Interior Replacement Update Message-ID: To update the list, I had asked for some recommendations on removing a thick tar-like coating the PO had used on the interior of the car. Normal solvents barely made a dent in the stuff, so I applied a variety of methods and ranked them below: Mineral spirits - did a poor job of dissolving, took many applications to remove a small square. Lacquer thinner - similar effect to the mineral spirits, took a lot to cut through. Ethyl Alcohol - OK, I admit it, I spilled a little Bushmills onto the coating, it didn't have much effect, what a waste of a good Irish! I did try pure denatured ethyl, still did nothing. Heat gun - would have worked if I had enough patience, but extremely tedious and messy, hard to get crud out of creases. Stinks too. Oven Cleaner - no measurable effect. I was surprised by this, but whatever this coating was, it was impervious to lye. Freeze and Shatter - the idea is to freeze the coating then shatter it with a hammer to mechanically break it. Since I have a lab, I have access to liquid nitrogen, so I brought a small Dewar home and applied it to one of the worse areas. After the mist cleared I applied several lethal hammer blows to the coating, it cracked and chipped, but a thin film of it still clung to the sheet metal and was very difficult to remove. It was a fun experiment, however. Warning: LN2 is extremely dangerous, it will cause extreme burns and will freeze appendages instantly with the result of them falling off and/or shattering! Use heavy gloves and good ventilation. Do not allow LN2 around people who may suddenly shout "Y'all hold my beer and watch this!" Methyl Ethyl Ketone - The Holy Grail. Wow, this s&$t really worked! Luckily I had an OSHA respirator, as what few brain cells I have left would have surely been killed off. It did a very quick and very easy job of dissolving the crud down to bare metal. Warning: MEK is a seriously nasty solvent, do not huff it, do not let it touch your skin, use in a well-ventilated area. Kills brain cells dead! It is extremely flammable, make sure your work light is shatter-proof and don't light up your fag until you have stepped out. Once the interior was down to its gleaming sheet metal, I TIG welded a couple spots to reinforce the pedal brackets and around the tunnel transition, applied the POR15 metal prep, then two coats of POR15 to seal the metal. After a couple days of curing, I applied an etching primer on the POR15, followed by three coats of Lizardskin thermal insulating paint. After installing all the rubber plugs I applied additional foil-backed insulation to the firewall, foot wells and tunnel. I cut access ports in the insulation to the spark plug and rocker cover plugs, a little rubber cement holds them in place but allows removal. A 3" hole saw works well here. The interior is now finally ready for the carpet. It will be nice to be able to drive this car in the hot summer without roasting. Next week I'll begin installing the 427 FE motor (just kidding). Cheers, Bugz From vegaslegal at aol.com Tue Apr 14 10:52:53 2009 From: vegaslegal at aol.com (vegaslegal at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:52:53 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Does it ever end - in Caifornia-Black cars. In-Reply-To: <000001c9ae7d$2978fdf0$6601a8c0@Brennan> Message-ID: <8CB8B389645F732-94-B4B@WEBMAIL-DY16.sysops.aol.com> Part of my practice is representing motor vehicle manufacturers and dealers.? Do not take this to necessarily relate to any manufacturer that is or has been a client of mine, but the black vehicle subject has real consequences in the true desert.? On some large SUV's the combination of heat here in Las Vegas affecting engine dynamics and body heat retention?due to the color of the vehicle (black/black cherry/etc) render the HVAC system incapable of?cooling the interior of the car in August to the satisfaction of the owner.? The light colored SUV's do not suffer the same problem, and it appears to largely affect only hypersensitive owners that want their interior at below 75 even when it's 111 outside.? It?does, nonetheless, result in constant claims by the customers that the air conditioner is 'broken,' and a requirement that the air be on full?during those periods just to make the interior marginally comfortable.????? -----Original Message----- From: Stu Brennan To: 'Thomas Witt' ; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 6:41 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] Does it ever end - in Caifornia Black Cars: Didn't the Mythbusters take this one on a couple years back? IIRC, they found only a minimal difference in internal temperatures for two cars, one white, one black, sitting in the sun all day. Could this story be related to our proximity to 4/1? Stu Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From atwittsend at verizon.net Tue Apr 14 11:35:48 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:35:48 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Penetrants References: Message-ID: <4B982EFE015848C89AD1D82731B746B6@student2> John, I'll have to "brew up" a batch of ATF and Acetone. Thanks for the tip. I'm all for something that is cheap, and works. Years ago I heard that ATF had sperm whale oil in it, - NO more. Other things about ATF: 1. It is really hard to get out of your hair. 2. When I was a kid racing slot cars back in the late 60's/early 70's we used a mixture of ATF and STP. Ironically it wasn't a lubricant. We referred to its use as "gluing the track." This concoction was applied to the inside edge of the turns to help the cars STICK to the track! During big, sanctioned races the air hung with a heavy mist for hours. A lot of tracks banned its use because of the mess it ultimately left. Tom From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Tue Apr 14 11:51:00 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:51:00 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale In-Reply-To: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF0BEB4835@norn32.d30.intra> References: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF0BEB4835@norn32.d30.intra> Message-ID: <49E4CD04.4020002@SoCal.rr.com> Tigers, Tim Ronak, a long time lister, is selling his car. Here is a TigersUnited.com list of his well written, and great pics of his car, and it's build progress, and the "hot links" to get to them (also a great benefit to those who want illustration of his successful projects, but already are "full-up" and your Tiger Collection): /Tim Ronak Clearance for Valve Covers Tim Ronak has written an article for our site, "Clearance for Valve Covers" , which details the firewall modification work necessary for a clean job of adding that needed clearance between the valve covers and the firewall when non-original valve covers or the thicker aluminum heads are installed on a Tiger. The clearance issue is neatly solved in a professional manner A 350 Lunati for a Tiger! Tim Ronak has done it again! Now he makes it clear why he put so much work into his firewall!, "A 350 Lunati for a Tiger!" , is "chock full" of details and great pictures of his Stroker 302 build. Be warned to keep a towel handy so you won't drool on your keyboard! Installing the Camshaft & Heads! Tim Ronak continues his series that started with "Clearance for Valve Covers", "A 350 Lunati for a Tiger", and now chapter 3 in his saga, "Installing the Camshaft & Heads!" , which details the completion of the engine! The REST is yet to come. Since these articles are really chapters in a saga, they have been joined together at the end of each section, and the beginning of the next for seamless reading Muffler Heat Shield (PDF) Tim Ronak contributes another well-illustrated article showing how to keep your fuel pump from getting fried by the muffler. Note that this is a PDF article and you can download it directly to your computer by right-clicking (PC) or CTRL-clicking (Mac) on the link and selecting 'save link as' on the dialog box. / (If these links don't get translated vorrectly, I'll send them again, or you can use the directory of articles at: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/Ronak350Lunati/pt-Ronak350Lunati4.asp Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Ronak, TP (Timothy) wrote: > Listers, > > Please forgive the following ad .... > > Tiger B382000680 is up for sale and the price is $37,500 -$40,000 > depending what the buyer wants as I have a TON of spare bits. It is in > GREAT running order but could use paint and the drive train is highly > up-rated and is an absolute Missile to drive and is likely one of the > fastest Tigers you will ever come across. > > Included Brief list of Upgrades > > 4 - wheel disks (vented front late model Mustang rear) with working > emergency and dual Master > > 349.6 Cu In stroker with 381 HP and 405 lb ft AT THE WHEELS (Engine > build up is on www.TigersUnited.com > Performance tuning/Lunati Stroker buildup. From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Tue Apr 14 12:03:14 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:03:14 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Headlamp Bucket In-Reply-To: <49e3f49d.0e36640a.0d78.481c@mx.google.com> References: <49e3f49d.0e36640a.0d78.481c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <49E4CFE2.8050708@SoCal.rr.com> Joe, My original Mk I headlight rings were of the "snap-on" type. Needless to say, they are also "snap-off". I found this at 70+ mph on the freeway when a "pop" and rattles blew off one ring to the freeway median that had no inside pull-off lane. As I was trying to get off the freeway, and back on the entrance prior, my wife was strongly suggesting I do NOT get out of the car. So, I am still here, today, to advise you to keep the retaining screw design. Never came off again. Save your wife's husband, your kids, grandkids, and maybe even great grand kids from not getting the benefit of your wisdom and experience. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Joe Brown wrote: > Thanks to Patrick King and Robert Neeley for the quick responses. > > I was just digging through my ziplock bags of rusted stuff and it looks like > my headlamp rims were of the snap-on variety because I found two snap-on > clips that fit into the buckets. My replacement buckets have a clip for the > screw-on rims and my old snap-on clips will fit into the same slots. > > I'm a little confused because my Book of Norman says that Sunbeam went to > the screw-on style with the B947/B948 cars. Mine is a B382. > > Thanks, > Joe Brown > B382000217 From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Tue Apr 14 16:24:11 2009 From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:24:11 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Ford Fairmont Pulley Message-ID: I got mine from a 1980 Ford Fairmont with the straight six cylinder (220 cu. in., I think). The article in the TE/AE Rootes Review some years ago said the pulley was on 1978-83 Fairmont and Zephyr straight sixes. It is a double groove pulley, but the only thing I ahd to do was open the center hole to fit the water pump shaft. Other than that it is a perfect fit with respect to alignment. Fred baum **************The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421325x1201417411/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26h mpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilAvgfooterNO62) From CoolVT at aol.com Tue Apr 14 17:20:37 2009 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:20:37 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Ford Fairmont Pulley Message-ID: I got one from a wrecking yard in either Arizona or Texas. The people there said it didn't come as a single groove. Mark **************The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421325x1201417411/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26h mpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilAvgfooterNO62) From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Apr 14 17:27:36 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:27:36 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Ford Fairmont Pulley In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905297@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Mine definitely has only one sheave, and it was made that way at Ford. Up here AC is still not a universal option... and back in the late 70's and early 80's it was even less common. No reason for Ford to put a double-sheave pulley on anything that didn't need it - there are quite a few regional differences between cars even when you think they'd save money by using common parts wherever possible. Theo ________________________________ From: CoolVT at aol.com [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com] Sent: April 14, 2009 5:21 PM To: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com; Smit, Theo; fabbro at shaw.ca; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ford Fairmont Pulley I got one from a wrecking yard in either Arizona or Texas. The people there said it didn't come as a single groove. Mark ________________________________ The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! From CoolVT at aol.com Tue Apr 14 17:46:58 2009 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:46:58 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Ford Fairmont Pulley Message-ID: Theo, Didn't you say that yours was from a Mustang and was the same diameter as the Tiger? The Fairlane pulley is smaller than that. I think this is a different animal. M In a message dated 4/14/2009 7:28:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Theo.Smit at dynastream.com writes: Mine definitely has only one sheave, and it was made that way at Ford. Up here AC is still not a universal option... and back in the late 70's and early 80's it was even less common. No reason for Ford to put a double-sheave pulley on anything that didn't need it - there are quite a few regional differences between cars even when you think they'd save money by using common parts wherever possible. Theo ________________________________ From: CoolVT at aol.com [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com] Sent: April 14, 2009 5:21 PM To: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com; Smit, Theo; fabbro at shaw.ca; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ford Fairmont Pulley I got one from a wrecking yard in either Arizona or Texas. The people there said it didn't come as a single groove. Mark ________________________________ The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421325x1201417411/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26h mpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilAvgfooterNO62) From spook01 at comcast.net Tue Apr 14 18:54:45 2009 From: spook01 at comcast.net (spook01) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:54:45 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Does it ever end - in Caifornia-Black cars. References: <8CB8B389645F732-94-B4B@WEBMAIL-DY16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <0422406781354AF781D635C59A669F05@yourpd3mh0abgs> well, anyone dumb enough to buy a black car in vegas and then sue the manufacturer because it doesn't cool right down should be shot. we don't need anymore stupid folks in the gene pool. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Does it ever end - in Caifornia-Black cars. > Part of my practice is representing motor vehicle manufacturers and > dealers.? Do not take this to necessarily relate to any manufacturer that > is or has been a client of mine, but the black vehicle subject has real > consequences in the true desert.? On some large SUV's the combination of > heat here in Las Vegas affecting engine dynamics and body heat > retention?due to the color of the vehicle (black/black cherry/etc) render > the HVAC system incapable of?cooling the interior of the car in August to > the satisfaction of the owner.? The light colored SUV's do not suffer the > same problem, and it appears to largely affect only hypersensitive owners > that want their interior at below 75 even when it's 111 outside.? It?does, > nonetheless, result in constant claims by the customers that the air > conditioner is 'broken,' and a requirement that the air be on full?during > those periods just to make the interior marginally comfortable.????? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stu Brennan > To: 'Thomas Witt' ; tigers at autox.team.net > Sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 6:41 pm > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Does it ever end - in Caifornia > > > > Black Cars: Didn't the Mythbusters take this one on a couple years > back? IIRC, they found only a minimal difference in internal > temperatures for two cars, one white, one black, sitting in the sun all > day. Could this story be related to our proximity to 4/1? > > Stu > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Apr 15 08:05:49 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:05:49 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Ford Fairmont Pulley In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15701905298@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Mine is from a Mustang (probably the same engine as the Fairmonts of that era). I shouldn't have said anything about its diameter relative to the Tiger's - I've never had a stock Tiger pulley to compare it to. The pulley I had did give the proper setback required (on the original pump) to line up with the original Tiger crank pulley, without having to reverse the flange on the pump or enlarge the hole in the pulley. My new pump required a small adjustment in the flange location on the shaft. Theo ________________________________ From: CoolVT at aol.com [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com] Sent: April 14, 2009 5:47 PM To: Smit, Theo; FHSLOTH13 at aol.com; fabbro at shaw.ca; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ford Fairmont Pulley Theo, Didn't you say that yours was from a Mustang and was the same diameter as the Tiger? The Fairlane pulley is smaller than that. I think this is a different animal. M In a message dated 4/14/2009 7:28:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Theo.Smit at dynastream.com writes: Mine definitely has only one sheave, and it was made that way at Ford. Up here AC is still not a universal option... and back in the late 70's and early 80's it was even less common. No reason for Ford to put a double-sheave pulley on anything that didn't need it - there are quite a few regional differences between cars even when you think they'd save money by using common parts wherever possible. Theo ________________________________ From: CoolVT at aol.com [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com] Sent: April 14, 2009 5:21 PM To: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com; Smit, Theo; fabbro at shaw.ca; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ford Fairmont Pulley I got one from a wrecking yard in either Arizona or Texas. The people there said it didn't come as a single groove. Mark ________________________________ The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive ________________________________ The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! From cbowland at msn.com Wed Apr 15 13:35:52 2009 From: cbowland at msn.com (Curt Bowland) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:35:52 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Ford Fairmont Pu;;ey Alternative Message-ID: I installed a pulley that was produced by Bob Woolridge. This is a machined aluminum item 5 3/16" diameter that may be painted or anodized to appear as original. He sells for $120.00 plus $15.00 for anodizing and $6.00 for shipping. At very high quality item. Saves all the junk yard hunting. Most people have no idea of the high material cost for relatively amounts. This is a bargain when the machining is added! Contact Bobby at 614-863-6487 (leave message) or e-mail at rwoolridge at insight.rr.com . He can/will e-mail a picture of the pulley. From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 15 19:52:43 2009 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Soft Top Recommendations Message-ID: <664895.63462.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tiger List Members, I've decided to replace our Mark 2 Tiger's convertible top. Although no one likes to spend more money than necessary, I'm thinking I should seriously consider springing for the "best" replacement top I can find. I've owned the car since 1978 figure it deserves a nice "hat." What brand of top is considered "top of the line" for our Tigers? I have purchased most of my restoration parts from Sunbeam Specialties in recent years (always been pleased). They list tops made by Robbins Top Company in either a pinpoint or crush grain vinyl for the Mark II. Which type is closest to the original top? I must admit I am not sure what the difference is between pinpoint and crush grain. Are there alternative brands of tops available that are "better" (fit and finish, durability, authenticity, etc) than the Robbins tops? I've never purchased a soft top before, so input from you guys is appreciated. Regards, Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Wed Apr 15 19:58:13 2009 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:58:13 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] "Auto-Cruisin' in the Tiger" In-Reply-To: <664895.63462.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <664895.63462.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001201c9be36$cd794cc0$686be640$@rr.com> Who has installed an Audiovox CCS-100 cruise control per Larry Paulick's directions on TigersUnited? I have and am having a problem, it will not cruise over 72 mph. It either shuts down or the speed slows to ~72 where it will hold. Wonder what the servo switches are set on unit that will let the car cruise and any speed. Duke B382002037 From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 20:00:02 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:00:02 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Soft Top Recommendations In-Reply-To: <664895.63462.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <664895.63462.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bill, Robins tops are good, and have a good fit... however your question is 2 fold. What is the best quality/fit.. what is closest to original. Robins do "mohair" the canvas mercedes type fabric tops aswell as the original type vynil. To me these are nicer looking and better quality.. but they are not original materials. Also no current tops i know of match the original tops in terms of having the grey inside, this means the tops make the interior feel darker. Another option is to have a trim shop use yours as a pattern and have one custom fitted to the car. -- Regards Michael King From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 20:02:32 2009 From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:02:32 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Front Turn Lamps Message-ID: <49e691bb.0b38560a.1bc2.ffffb1c6@mx.google.com> Hey, I'm trying to clean up my front turn lamps and I have found that the back sides (the bulb socket cups?) are in bad shape with several small holes corroded through. The front side side looks like I can buff it up okay but I have to do something about the back side. Is this thing made out of pot metal? Has anyone used any of the pot metal repair rods that you use with a propane torch? Eastwood has a kit and a place called Muggy Weld has a kit and they both say you can chrome plate over the repairs. Thanks, Joe Brown B382000217 From Sjhcobra1 at cs.com Wed Apr 15 21:06:01 2009 From: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Sjhcobra1 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:06:01 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Soft Top Recommendations Message-ID: I have installed several Tiger tops from Robbins and they are typically well made and usually in stock at Sunbeam Specialties. The Haartz cloth (with the canvas look) are the nicest looking tops but not original on the Tiger. Rick can also get these for you. I believe that the cost is 1-1/2 to 2 times the price for the pinpoint or crushed grain tops. Be sure to check the adjustment of your windshield and the top frame alignment at the B-post to insure that you get the best fit possible. Steve Halbrook From crbernardino at mac.com Wed Apr 15 21:34:27 2009 From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:34:27 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Loss of 'shift gate' in Top Loader Message-ID: Dear Tiger Gang, Need help in determining a new problem in the Tiger. Was driving home from work and shifting perhaps more briskly than I usually do. Suddenly, it felt as though the shift gate between gears widened or 'disappeared'. The car still shifts and stays in gear, but I am afraid I may have broken something. Any ideas, and is this a problem that could strand the car if not fixed soon - remember I drive the cat daily. Rob Rob in CT 1966 Mk1A Tiger B382000262 LRXFE JAL660245 Color Code 39: Carnival Red From fastsage at cox.net Wed Apr 15 22:12:20 2009 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:12:20 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] A Shifty Question Message-ID: <49E6B024.7080403@cox.net> And speaking of shifters, I have a non-stock shifter assembly on my 5 speed Tiger transmission that I have off the transmission. What is the recommended lubricant for the shifter "ball" assembly? I want to use something that will stay on there for a long time. It's very dry now, which explains why it didn't shift that easily. Thanks as usual to our excellent list. Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.440) Database version: 6.12180 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From fastsage at cox.net Wed Apr 15 22:16:41 2009 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:16:41 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] "Auto-Cruisin' in the Tiger" In-Reply-To: <001201c9be36$cd794cc0$686be640$@rr.com> References: <664895.63462.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001201c9be36$cd794cc0$686be640$@rr.com> Message-ID: <49E6B129.70509@cox.net> Duke: I installed that exact unit on my Tiger too and had exactly the same problem. I solved it but forget the correct switch setting. I'll look into it and email the answer tonight as long as I wrote it down, which I think I did. Basically, you need to increase the "PPM" setting/switch and that solves it. I should have the exact figure in the garage. Steve Sage Samouce's wrote: > Who has installed an Audiovox CCS-100 cruise control per Larry Paulick's > directions on TigersUnited? > > I have and am having a problem, it will not cruise over 72 mph. It either > shuts down or the speed slows to ~72 where it will hold. > > Wonder what the servo switches are set on unit that will let the car cruise > and any speed. > > Duke > B382002037 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.440) > Database version: 6.12180 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.440) Database version: 6.12180 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Thu Apr 16 06:22:09 2009 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 07:22:09 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Loss of 'shift gate' in Top Loader In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c9be8d$f737b860$e5a72920$@rr.com> No idea on the tranny but....who insures your car? A Tiger for a DD many be very under insured. Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rob Bernardino Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 22:34 To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Loss of 'shift gate' in Top Loader Dear Tiger Gang, Need help in determining a new problem in the Tiger. Was driving home from work and shifting perhaps more briskly than I usually do. Suddenly, it felt as though the shift gate between gears widened or 'disappeared'. The car still shifts and stays in gear, but I am afraid I may have broken something. Any ideas, and is this a problem that could strand the car if not fixed soon - remember I drive the cat daily. Rob Rob in CT 1966 Mk1A Tiger B382000262 LRXFE JAL660245 Color Code 39: Carnival Red Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From fastsage at cox.net Thu Apr 16 08:52:06 2009 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 07:52:06 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] "Auto-Cruisin' in the Tiger" In-Reply-To: <49E6B129.70509@cox.net> References: <664895.63462.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001201c9be36$cd794cc0$686be640$@rr.com> <49E6B129.70509@cox.net> Message-ID: <49E74616.7020102@cox.net> Duke: It turns out I didn't write it down but just looked at the CCS100 manual and remember what I did. I didn't use Larry's instructions. I don't think I knew they were there. I used the magnet kit on the drive shaft plus the leads to the coil and to the brake switch.(I had previously bypassed the factory brake switch under the hood, and replaced it with a mechanical/electrical brake switch I installed above and on the brake pedal. I got tired of the factory type brake switches going bad.) When I installed the CCS100 I talked to Audiovox support a few times. The consensus there was to program dip switches 1 and 2 on the servo for 2000 PPM since I used the magnet kit. It's odd that for the first few months the cruise would hold at 70-75, but later it would drop down to 65 or so even when I set it at 75 (highway speed here in Arizona). I changed the PPM (Pulse per minute) setting to 4000 RPM and that solved the problem. I've cruised at 80 and as low as 40 since just to experiment (I haven't tried it slower) and it holds speed perfectly now. So, if you're set at 2000 PPM now, try changing it to 4000, then 5000 if that doesn't do it, etc. I never got a clear explanation from Audiovox why this is but maybe the 2000/4000/5000 etc. PPM means the cruis won't operate above those RPMS either. Also, the sensitivity setting is important (switches SW4 and SW5). I had set it for Low (light vehicles with high horsepower) and it would hold cruise for a while but then turn off on occasion. When I changed that setting to Medium, it no longer disconnected/shut off. Audiovox confirmed it should be Medium for most cars (including ours it turns out). Steve Sage > Duke: > I installed that exact unit on my Tiger too and had exactly the same > problem. I solved it but forget the correct switch setting. I'll look > into it and email the answer tonight as long as I wrote it down, which > I think I did. Basically, you need to increase the "PPM" > setting/switch and that solves it. I should have the exact figure in > the garage. > > Steve > > > > Samouce's wrote: >> Who has installed an Audiovox CCS-100 cruise control per Larry Paulick's >> directions on TigersUnited? >> >> I have and am having a problem, it will not cruise over 72 mph. It >> either >> shuts down or the speed slows to ~72 where it will hold. >> >> Wonder what the servo switches are set on unit that will let the car >> cruise >> and any speed. >> >> Duke >> B382002037 E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.440) Database version: 6.12190 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Apr 16 09:19:26 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:19:26 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] "Auto-Cruisin' in the Tiger" In-Reply-To: <001201c9be36$cd794cc0$686be640$@rr.com> Message-ID: <99E057FF5B444FFBBEEBFAD97F3FE765@ronpc1> Duke I installed this cruise control unit just before the Big Sky SUNI, 1999 and it works at all speeds. My first thought was that you have an intermittent problem at one of the wires. I had a bad connection at the brake switch wires but I think that made it not work at all.(?) I just browsed Larry's article, I did it a little differently and I noticed he did not include the switch setting he used. Also the Audiovox instructions are a little confusing or not as technically specific as I would like about the switch settings. Steve wrote that it is the switch settings on the servo which makes sense so here are my settings switch 1 to 7. 1 = off 2 = off 3 = on 4 = on 5 = off 6 = off 7 = off I did not run the servo throttle cable all the way to the carb. I hooked it up inside the cabin at accelerator pedal. Also there is a possibility you can use a Ford VSS sensor instead of the magnet kit. The VSS sensor on my 88 Mustang has a Speedo cable through VSS sensor. I have yet to check if there is room for the VSS and the Tiger speedo cable; it's on my TO DO list when I GET AROUND TOIT. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Samouce's Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 9:58 PM To: 'Tiger Talk List Tiger' Subject: [Tigers] "Auto-Cruisin' in the Tiger" Who has installed an Audiovox CCS-100 cruise control per Larry Paulick's directions on TigersUnited? I have and am having a problem, it will not cruise over 72 mph. It either shuts down or the speed slows to ~72 where it will hold. Wonder what the servo switches are set on unit that will let the car cruise and any speed. Duke B382002037 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.57/2060 - Release Date: 04/15/09 06:34:00 From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Apr 16 09:33:01 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:33:01 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] A Shifty Question In-Reply-To: <49E6B024.7080403@cox.net> Message-ID: <4FCE20A7F3C7424E873A0D06604DC4A4@ronpc1> Steve I would try Silicone Grease. The Ford manual I have does not specify a lubricant for it. I would not think that would be the cause of the hard shifting but I don't have the parts in hand or sight. You do have Dextron ATF or similar in the transmission which is the recommended fluid for a 5 speed? Ron -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Sage Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 12:12 AM To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] A Shifty Question And speaking of shifters, I have a non-stock shifter assembly on my 5 speed Tiger transmission that I have off the transmission. What is the recommended lubricant for the shifter "ball" assembly? I want to use something that will stay on there for a long time. It's very dry now, which explains why it didn't shift that easily. Thanks as usual to our excellent list. Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.440) Database version: 6.12180 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.57/2060 - Release Date: 04/15/09 06:34:00 From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Apr 16 09:57:14 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:57:14 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Loss of 'shift gate' in Top Loader In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <26BDA73E25354A33B81B9D8DF5F9CBD7@ronpc1> Rob I believe this is a common problem with the Ford shifter. I have had the shifter hang up like that and had to force the shifter back into the previous gear to make it work again. The first time it happened I got out of the car and forced the shift linkage from underneath. I believe I removed the shifter assembly, cleaned it, inspected it for wear then put it back in with no further problems. You may just have an adjustment problem so check that first; see page 4 in the transmission section of the Shop Manual. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmE1.asp I think there is more information about this subject on some of the Ford Transmission web sites. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rob Bernardino Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:34 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Loss of 'shift gate' in Top Loader Dear Tiger Gang, Need help in determining a new problem in the Tiger. Was driving home from work and shifting perhaps more briskly than I usually do. Suddenly, it felt as though the shift gate between gears widened or 'disappeared'. The car still shifts and stays in gear, but I am afraid I may have broken something. Any ideas, and is this a problem that could strand the car if not fixed soon - remember I drive the cat daily. Rob Rob in CT 1966 Mk1A Tiger B382000262 LRXFE JAL660245 Color Code 39: Carnival Red _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.57/2060 - Release Date: 04/15/09 06:34:00 From v8tracker at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 10:02:30 2009 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:02:30 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] A Shifty Question In-Reply-To: <49E6B024.7080403@cox.net> References: <49E6B024.7080403@cox.net> Message-ID: <49B268F23EF1417E92F8B0A787F08957@DellD4700> Steve, I have used a single application of Valvoline synthetic wheel bearing grease on the shifter in my Mustang for well over 100,000 miles with fine results. It isn't as "thick" as the old fashioned natural wheel bearing grease but stands up to the heat from the transmission very well. Any brand of synthetic wheel bearing grease would probably work as well. Don't forget to check the plastic pocket the ball fits into to make sure it is still smooth and not worn thin. It's much easier to replace it now than later. HTH, A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Sage > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 11:12 PM > To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: [Tigers] A Shifty Question > > And speaking of shifters, I have a non-stock shifter assembly > on my 5 speed Tiger transmission that I have off the > transmission. What is the recommended lubricant for the > shifter "ball" assembly? I want to use something that will > stay on there for a long time. It's very dry now, which > explains why it didn't shift that easily. > > Thanks as usual to our excellent list. > > Steve Sage > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.440) Database > version: 6.12180 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Thu Apr 16 12:03:45 2009 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:03:45 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Loss of 'shift gate' in Top Loader In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7681851B476841D8A626C6A25DD8F525@jerry> Rob, It sounds to me the problem you are experiencing is the adjusting nut of the shift rods has come loose enough to be out of adjustment. Check out the TigerUnited website I'm sure they have an article on how to install a 1/4 inch rod (drill bit) to align the shift levers on your shifter then adjust and tighten the nuts. I'm assuming of course that you have a stock Ford shifter. Good luck Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rob Bernardino Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 10:34 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Loss of 'shift gate' in Top Loader Dear Tiger Gang, Need help in determining a new problem in the Tiger. Was driving home from work and shifting perhaps more briskly than I usually do. Suddenly, it felt as though the shift gate between gears widened or 'disappeared'. The car still shifts and stays in gear, but I am afraid I may have broken something. Any ideas, and is this a problem that could strand the car if not fixed soon - remember I drive the cat daily. Rob Rob in CT 1966 Mk1A Tiger B382000262 LRXFE JAL660245 Color Code 39: Carnival Red Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Thu Apr 16 12:26:35 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:26:35 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] "Auto-Cruisin' in the Tiger" In-Reply-To: <99E057FF5B444FFBBEEBFAD97F3FE765@ronpc1> References: <99E057FF5B444FFBBEEBFAD97F3FE765@ronpc1> Message-ID: <49E7785B.4000003@SoCal.rr.com> Duke, O.M., Harbor Freight now stocks Roundtoit's. Typical Asian workmanship, and comes in two sizes: 1. Doitlater $9.95 2. Verymuchlater $19.95 Option #2 is about twice as much, due to subsequent wear and tear. There is an optional wall bracket to store it for lengthy periods. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Ron Fraser wrote: > Duke > <==== snip ====> > > Also there is a possibility you can use a Ford VSS sensor instead of the > magnet kit. The VSS sensor on my 88 Mustang has a > Speedo cable through VSS sensor. I have yet to check if there is room for > the VSS and the Tiger speedo cable; it's on my TO DO list when *I GET AROUND > TOIT*. > > Ron Fraser From BEAU2EVE at aol.com Thu Apr 16 15:15:00 2009 From: BEAU2EVE at aol.com (BEAU2EVE at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:15:00 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Turning lamps Message-ID: I had the same problem with my lamps, my solution was to go to the salvage yard and find a VW rabbit . The side marker lights on this car are rubber push in assemblies. Drill out the lights on the Tiger to fit these units and your problem is solved. Caution , use a smaller drill than you need and file the hole to fit the rubber plug assembly. They use the same light bulbs as the original socket. The little push in units. Beau 9470951 **************Great deals on Dellbs most popular laptops b Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220029082x1201385915/aol?redir=http :%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213969145%3B35701480%3Bh) From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Apr 16 16:34:22 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:34:22 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Turning lamps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019052A8@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> I got a pair of molded rubber quarter-turn light sockets at Canadian Tire. They fit the push-in bulbs and have two 6" wire leads coming out the back. I drilled the hole in the light fixture out to 11/16 (I think) and then filed two rectangular cutouts to suit the quarter-turn latch mechanism. Because this wiped out the rather iffy grounding arrangement used by Lucas (is there any other?) I used a hose clamp to clamp a piece of 16 gauge wire to the cylindrical turn signal side of the light housing. I covered it with RTV after snugging things up, to hopefully keep stuff from corroding. Then I took the new ground wire, one of the two wires coming from the fixture, and the ground lead for the headlight, put ring lugs on them all, and attached them to the body seam that runs just behind the outboard end of the grille opening. http://www.fastenal.com/web/products/detail.ex?sku=0715803 This is pretty similar to the socket I used... It comes with four tabs on the socket, and I didn't want to file four slots, so I cut off the two tabs (180 degrees apart) that didn't have the stops on the end. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BEAU2EVE at aol.com > Sent: April 16, 2009 3:15 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Turning lamps > > I had the same problem with my lamps, my solution was to go > to the salvage yard and find a VW rabbit . The side marker > lights on this car are rubber push in assemblies. Drill out > the lights on the Tiger to fit these units and your problem > is solved. Caution , use a smaller drill than you need and > file the hole to fit the rubber plug assembly. They use the > same light bulbs as the original socket. The little push in units. > > > Beau 9470951 > **************Great deals on Dellbs most popular laptops b > Starting at > $479 > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220029082x1201385915 > /aol?redir=http > :%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213969145%3B35701480%3Bh) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From fastsage at cox.net Thu Apr 16 17:05:12 2009 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:05:12 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] A Shifty Question In-Reply-To: <4FCE20A7F3C7424E873A0D06604DC4A4@ronpc1> References: <4FCE20A7F3C7424E873A0D06604DC4A4@ronpc1> Message-ID: <49E7B9A8.7080409@cox.net> Hello Ron: I do run ATF in the trans. I should have been more descriptive. It's not real hard to shift but just seems like it could be more smooth. Thanks for the grease tip. Steve Ron Fraser wrote: > Steve > I would try Silicone Grease. The Ford manual I have does not > specify a lubricant for it. > > I would not think that would be the cause of the hard shifting but I don't > have the parts in hand or sight. > You do have Dextron ATF or similar in the transmission which is the > recommended fluid for a 5 speed? > > Ron > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.440) Database version: 6.12190 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From fastsage at cox.net Thu Apr 16 17:09:05 2009 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:09:05 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] "Auto-Cruisin' in the Tiger" In-Reply-To: <49E7785B.4000003@SoCal.rr.com> References: <99E057FF5B444FFBBEEBFAD97F3FE765@ronpc1> <49E7785B.4000003@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <49E7BA91.1020905@cox.net> I need to buy some of those so I can stop having to work on my car every week. Steve Sage Steve Laifman wrote: > Duke, O.M., > > Harbor Freight now stocks Roundtoit's. Typical Asian workmanship, and > comes in two sizes: > > 1. Doitlater $9.95 > 2. Verymuchlater $19.95 > > Option #2 is about twice as much, due to subsequent wear and tear. > > There is an optional wall bracket to store it for lengthy periods. > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.440) Database version: 6.12190 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Thu Apr 16 19:09:14 2009 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:09:14 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Audiovox CCS-100 settings In-Reply-To: <7681851B476841D8A626C6A25DD8F525@jerry> References: <7681851B476841D8A626C6A25DD8F525@jerry> Message-ID: <000301c9bef9$20413bd0$60c3b370$@rr.com> For archive purposes, I am sending this to the list. First of all, thanks to all of you who responded on the list and me personally. I have it working properly now and the cruise will hold at 90+ mph...and below of course. Just a quick summery of what I did. The magnet is installed on the drive shaft, blue wire to the (-) side of the coil, and the rest as the instructions say. I may have had an intermittent signal to the coil but fixed that and tested it per the instructions. DIP SWITCH setting 1 to 7 that are working on my car. 1 = on 2 = off 3 = off 4 = off 5 = off 6 = off 7 = on I must say that I am very impressed with this ~$80 unit. It holds the speed better than my 2008 GMC. Thanks again and see you at SUNI V. Duke B382002037 From zymmer4 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 16 21:22:38 2009 From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Audiovox CCS-100 settings Message-ID: <445541.48497.qm@web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi, Of course it works better than your GMC..Guess who Didn't make the electrics..hehe. My Saab has GM electrics..It dosen't work either..Delphi and Lucas must be partners. zym(tongue in cheek) The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Samouce's wrote: From: Samouce's Subject: [Tigers] Audiovox CCS-100 settings To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 9:09 PM For archive purposes, I am sending this to the list. First of all, thanks to all of you who responded on the list and me personally. I have it working properly now and the cruise will hold at 90+ mph...and below of course. Just a quick summery of what I did. The magnet is installed on the drive shaft, blue wire to the (-) side of the coil, and the rest as the instructions say. I may have had an intermittent signal to the coil but fixed that and tested it per the instructions. DIP SWITCH setting 1 to 7 that are working on my car. 1 = on 2 = off 3 = off 4 = off 5 = off 6 = off 7 = on I must say that I am very impressed with this ~$80 unit. It holds the speed better than my 2008 GMC. Thanks again and see you at SUNI V. Duke B382002037 Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 16 21:44:47 2009 From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] 14TH ANNUAL SAN DIEGO ROLLING BRITISH CAR DAY 4-18-09 Message-ID: <10630505.1239939888060.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> 14TH ANNUAL SAN DIEGO ROLLING BRITISH CAR DAY SATURDAY, APRIL 18, 2009 MILTONbS DELI RESTAURANT FLOWER HILL SHOPPING, DEL MAR (east of Via de la Valle turn off, just North of Del Mar Racetrack) MEET AT 9:00 (OR EARLIER!!!!!) For tyre-kickinb, lie-tellin' and socializin' bPEDAL-TO-THE-MEDALb AT 10:00 If you want to have a full, sit-down breakfast at Miltonbs, allow an extra hour. Miltonbs, and several other places, do have bwalkbupb munchies, coffee, etc. Or bring your own A PICNIC LUNCH IS A MUST!!!!! DUST OFF THOSE PICNIC RECIPES AND YOUR BEST PICNIC BASKETWE WILL BE HAVING OUR PICNIC AT SAN DIEGUITO PARK WE WILL BE ASKING FOR A $5.00 DONATIONb $3.00 IS THE PARK FEE FOR PARKING (per car); $2.00 TO HELP OFFSET THE RESERVATION FEE NO RULES * NO TROPHIES * NO JUDGING NO TRAILER QUEENS * NO APPLICATONs [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Jaguar - John Fitch at Watkins Glen (Seneca Cup).jpg] From mmichels at socal.rr.com Thu Apr 16 23:14:43 2009 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:14:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Soft Top Recommendations References: Message-ID: <3A04623E99814759B200AA64D9A45E01@delldimension> I have the Robbins fabric top. I think it is also known as Sunfast. I'm very happy with it. Just take care with the vinyl back window. Meguair's Plastex polish seems to work well on the window. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Soft Top Recommendations >I have installed several Tiger tops from Robbins and they are typically > well made and usually in stock at Sunbeam Specialties. > > The Haartz cloth (with the canvas look) are the nicest looking tops but > not > original on the Tiger. Rick can also get these for you. I believe that > the cost is 1-1/2 to 2 times the price for the pinpoint or crushed grain > tops. > > Be sure to check the adjustment of your windshield and the top frame > alignment at the B-post to insure that you get the best fit possible. > > Steve Halbrook > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From drmayf at mayfco.com Fri Apr 17 08:53:25 2009 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 07:53:25 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 2025 Sunbeam Tiger electric car concept] Message-ID: <49E897E5.9070006@mayfco.com> interesting. I wonder how th euse of the name and model wars will go in the courts.... mayf http://www.gizmag.com/2025-sunbeam-tiger-electric-car-concept/11482/ From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Apr 17 09:05:12 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:05:12 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] 2025 Sunbeam Tiger electric car concept] In-Reply-To: <49E897E5.9070006@mayfco.com> References: <49E897E5.9070006@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019052AD@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> I don't follow any of the other 'orphan' brand and models, but it would be interesting to know if the "Sunbeam Tiger" brand is misappropriated for concept cars more frequently than others. Certainly the name Tiger has been used and reused several times (as recently discussed, in Germany and France, and also by one of the Lotus Seven knockoffs) but to also include the Sunbeam brand would be stretching the bounds of trademark infringement. It's funny. The Cobra gets its shape copied by all the various kit car builders, but they can't use the name, while the Tiger gets its name stolen but no one bothers with the shape... There's something wrong with that. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf > Sent: April 17, 2009 8:53 AM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] 2025 Sunbeam Tiger electric car concept] > > interesting. I wonder how th euse of the name and model wars > will go in the courts.... > > mayf > > > > > http://www.gizmag.com/2025-sunbeam-tiger-electric-car-concept/11482/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Apr 17 09:11:34 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:11:34 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Transmission filler Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019052AE@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Hi all, I recently (Finally!) had to fill the transmission. Rather than mess with long hoses or flexible funnels from the engine compartment I used one of these "lower unit" pumps. http://shop.easternmarine.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.prodInfo&prod uctID=6425&categoryID=278 I cut off the end of the hose with the adapter, and also cut off the bottle cap that is snapped onto the pump body. Then I took one of my ATF bottles and cut the same size hole into its cap, and fit the pump into the cap. Presto! It works like a soap pump dispenser, the only downside is the pump stroke volume isn't very large so it takes a few minutes to do a bottle. On the other hand, once you get close to the right level, you can add just a little at a time without getting oil all over the place. The pump even has a screw-down-to-lock feature so that you could take it along if you had to. Cheers, Theo From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Fri Apr 17 09:58:06 2009 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:58:06 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 2025 Sunbeam Tiger electric car concept] In-Reply-To: <49E897E5.9070006@mayfco.com> References: <49E897E5.9070006@mayfco.com> Message-ID: Those are just renderings, the car dosen't exist. I read somewhere else, the guy is a British design student and this was a class exercise...the guy probably is just a Sunbeam Tiger fan. I think the car looks pretty good myself. I remember years ago in a graphic design class, we redsigned a series of national known company logos for a project, updating and putting our spin on them, nothing was ever meant to come from it. Paul > Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 07:53:25 -0700 > From: drmayf at mayfco.com > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] 2025 Sunbeam Tiger electric car concept] > > interesting. I wonder how th euse of the name and model wars will go in > the courts.... > > mayf > > http://www.gizmag.com/2025-sunbeam-tiger-electric-car-concept/11482/ _________________________________________________________________ Rediscover Hotmail.: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Stor age2_042009 From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Fri Apr 17 12:19:24 2009 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:19:24 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] I'll be in Arlington, TX Sun-Thursday. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090417181924.BLYKY.174327.root@hrndva-web11-z01> Will be taking part in Government Acceptance Tests for a new simulator we (US Army)are getting ready to accept from the manufacturer (L3). More than happy to have a beer with Sunbeam Tiger lovers. I can see the Six-Flags rollercoaster from my hotel. Duke B382002037 From j_d_johnson at earthlink.net Sat Apr 18 11:35:47 2009 From: j_d_johnson at earthlink.net (J D Johnson) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 10:35:47 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Hard to get parts Message-ID: If you've been looking for a proper clock, check out this listing from TEAE's forum. http://www.teae.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1563 JD [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.0/2066 - Release Date: 04/18/09 09:55:00 From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Sat Apr 18 15:13:28 2009 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:13:28 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Caution.carburetor eye candy inside.. In-Reply-To: <49E7B9A8.7080409@cox.net> References: <4FCE20A7F3C7424E873A0D06604DC4A4@ronpc1> <49E7B9A8.7080409@cox.net> Message-ID: <000301c9c06a$85e6eda0$91b4c8e0$@rr.com> Hey Guys, Go to this link to see the last carb I will ever buy for the Tiger. It has custom fuel metering blocks that allow it to be tuned for the 260 and a 331 in the future. http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10837 Will dyno the car next weekend and let you guys know how it working...by the SOTP, I would say very well. Duke B382002037 From sganz at pacbell.net Sun Apr 19 10:34:59 2009 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Caution.carburetor eye candy inside.. In-Reply-To: <000301c9c06a$85e6eda0$91b4c8e0$@rr.com> References: <4FCE20A7F3C7424E873A0D06604DC4A4@ronpc1> <49E7B9A8.7080409@cox.net> <000301c9c06a$85e6eda0$91b4c8e0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <946541.53473.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It looks like one of the QuickFuel (Proform body) carbs. I have a couple from a place called damBest carbs and they are set up in a similar manner, everything has a removable jet for bending the fuel curve and mixture adjustment of each circuit. The problem is now you have a lot more to try to tune :) http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/DamBestCarb.html This is the one I have on a couple of cars. Same Idea and very helpful when changing things. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Samouce's To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 2:13:28 PM Subject: [Tigers] Caution.carburetor eye candy inside.. Hey Guys, Go to this link to see the last carb I will ever buy for the Tiger. It has custom fuel metering blocks that allow it to be tuned for the 260 and a 331 in the future. http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10837 Will dyno the car next weekend and let you guys know how it working...by the SOTP, I would say very well. Duke B382002037 Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun Apr 19 17:54:14 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:54:14 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger up for sale again Message-ID: This was one of the Tigers for sale at RM last year... it went for mid 37-40K if i recall correctly? Anyway.. is now on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-1965-Sunbeam-Tiger_W0QQitemZ280335740082QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item280335740082&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 -- Regards Michael King From walmenke at bigpond.net.au Mon Apr 20 05:06:57 2009 From: walmenke at bigpond.net.au (Wally Menke) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:06:57 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Soft Top Recommendations In-Reply-To: <664895.63462.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <664895.63462.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01c9c1a8$1ef578c0$5ce06a40$@net.au> Bill The Robins canvas top is the best, especially if your not worried about total originality. The material has a lot of give and stretch in it where as the original vinyl does not. This stretch makes the fit look a lot better and it hold a lot better. The vinyl tops always have a crease down the side that really never looks right in my opinion. I've had my car up to 120 mph with the top up, no flapping or problem. The trimmer who fitted my top has fitted many of the vinyl soft tops to Sunbeams and says they are a nightmare to fit, and never fit well. He was very happy with my canvas top, which was the first one he had fitted. He planned on telling others not to bother with the vinyl tops in the future. Yes they are more expensive but worth it! Wally Menke Melbourne Australia From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Apr 21 07:37:57 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:37:57 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Teething troubles. Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019052B5@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> So I got my Tiger started last night... The BossEFI looks like it will be a good thing especially if the self-learning tuning works as it's supposed to. I appear to have a timing glitch but that may be due to the way I wired the distributor. Because the computer can supposedly compute its own timing advance curve, and I'm using the MSD to actually drive the plugs, I eliminated the often troublesome TFI module from the Ford distributor and wired the Hall sensor (PIP module in Ford-speak) direct to the computer - you only need a pull-up resistor to make that work. The only bad thing is that it's got a fairly noticeable knock, that I'm sure the engine didn't have when it was last run about six years ago. Is there anything in particular that afflicts the 5.0 roller-cam engines when they've sat for a long time? As far as I know nothing fell in any of the ports in the interim... when I swapped the engine into the Tiger I put on the cast 'Cobra' covers and the Canton windage tray and oil pan, but with stock 5.0 valve train I wasn't expecting any interference issues. The engine turned over by hand without any noticeable tight spots. Any ideas or suggestions would be most welcome. Theo From modtiger at comcast.net Tue Apr 21 09:25:58 2009 From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:25:58 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Teething troubles. In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019052B5@dsimail.ad.garmin .com> References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019052B5@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20090421080724.024167d8@comcast.net> At 06:37 AM 4/21/2009, you wrote: >The only bad thing is that it's got a fairly noticeable knock, that I'm sure >the engine didn't have when it was last run about six years ago. Is there >anything in particular that afflicts the 5.0 roller-cam engines when they've >sat for a long time? As far as I know nothing fell in any of the ports in the >interim... when I swapped the engine into the Tiger I put on the cast 'Cobra' >covers and the Canton windage tray and oil pan, but with stock 5.0 valve train >I wasn't expecting any interference issues. The engine turned over by hand >without any noticeable tight spots. > >Any ideas or suggestions would be most welcome. > >Theo If you are attempting to fit Ford's roller rockers under LAT style valve covers you may have clearance problems. I make billet aluminum valve cover spacers that attach to the head with RTV and accept the old thick cork gaskets RTV'd to the valve covers. The spacer has a V shaped ridge facing up to "bite" into the cork seal. A light coating of grease allows repeated separation at this interface, so it's typically a permanent, reusable solution. My spacers are .200 thick and the gaskets are about .160 before being bolted down. This gives proper clearance for the valve train yet they fit under the stock firewall. Best way I know to measure this clearance is modeling clay or you will find the scraping/rubbing marks that are there by now if you heard noises. I use these on all of my crate engine installations. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net From maliburevue at yahoo.com Tue Apr 21 11:32:09 2009 From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (maliburevue at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Teething troubles. Message-ID: <324078.29754.qm@web33201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Theo, I agree with Tom that there could be an interference between the roller rockers and the valve covers. I personally use Proform roller rockers under my original chrome valve covers, since these rockers have a flat top. As far as I am aware, they are the only roller rocker that will fit without having to add a spacer. I have tried others with no luck. If you want I can dig up the part number for the rockers Could be the crank and the pan/oil pump, too. Gary --- On Tue, 4/21/09, Tom Hall wrote: From: Tom Hall Subject: Re: [Tigers] Teething troubles. To: "Smit, Theo" Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 8:25 AM At 06:37 AM 4/21/2009, you wrote: >The only bad thing is that it's got a fairly noticeable knock, that I'm sure >the engine didn't have when it was last run about six years ago. Is there >anything in particular that afflicts the 5.0 roller-cam engines when they've >sat for a long time? As far as I know nothing fell in any of the ports in the >interim... when I swapped the engine into the Tiger I put on the cast 'Cobra' >covers and the Canton windage tray and oil pan, but with stock 5.0 valve train >I wasn't expecting any interference issues. The engine turned over by hand >without any noticeable tight spots. > >Any ideas or suggestions would be most welcome. > >Theo If you are attempting to fit Ford's roller rockers under LAT style valve covers you may have clearance problems. I make billet aluminum valve cover spacers that attach to the head with RTV and accept the old thick cork gaskets RTV'd to the valve covers. The spacer has a V shaped ridge facing up to "bite" into the cork seal. A light coating of grease allows repeated separation at this interface, so it's typically a permanent, reusable solution. My spacers are .200 thick and the gaskets are about .160 before being bolted down. This gives proper clearance for the valve train yet they fit under the stock firewall. Best way I know to measure this clearance is modeling clay or you will find the scraping/rubbing marks that are there by now if you heard noises. I use these on all of my crate engine installations. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of Rockers.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of Rockers2.JPG] From shutchin at netjets.com Tue Apr 21 12:34:10 2009 From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:34:10 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Teething troubles. Message-ID: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D4056C090E@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com> I have comp pro magnums. They fit under they lat covers as long as you knock the vent shield out. No problems running without the shield. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 * ******** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 21 12:55:53 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Teething troubles. Message-ID: <981466.68155.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Theo- I know if the problem with the knocking was the valve train hitting the valve cover you would find that fast. Im thinking that many responses concerning the valve train are missing the knocking noise you have. I often use a piece of broom handle as a stethoscope to locate a noise or where its coming from. I want a mechanics stethoscope but I havent ran into a bargain yet, so I continue to use a piece or dowel or the cut off broom handle when Im looking for a noise. It is amazing how you can tell if it under the valve cover or near the timing chain or the oil pan. To respond to your request if anyone knows what might be knocking after what was a good engine, has set for 5 or so years. Nothing comes to my mind immediately but the first thing I did think of was a main bearing. Also sometimes spiders can get inside and its amazing how strong a cob web is- perhaps an oil passage is blocked. Last off is the generator or alternator making a noise. Im gasping at straws BUT if you came to the list, Im sure you are grasping too. please let us know what the noise is when you locate it. TonytheTiger From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Apr 21 14:21:04 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:21:04 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Teething troubles. In-Reply-To: <981466.68155.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <981466.68155.qm@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019052BE@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Hi Tony, I'm not exactly stumped at this point - just trying to gauge whether there's any one thing that is much more likely than the others. Before I started the engine, I spun up the oil pump with a speed handle to make sure I was getting oil pressure. That worked out as expected, although I guess it's possible I ended up with a blockage and it was actually not flowing any oil through the bearings. If that turns out to be the case it'll be pretty obvious. Theo ________________________________ From: Tony Somebody [mailto:achd73 at yahoo.com] Sent: April 21, 2009 12:56 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net; Smit, Theo Subject: Re: [Tigers] Teething troubles. Theo- I know if the problem with the knocking was the valve train hitting the valve cover you would find that fast. Im thinking that many responses concerning the valve train are missing the knocking noise you have. I often use a piece of broom handle as a stethoscope to locate a noise or where its coming from. I want a mechanics stethoscope but I havent ran into a bargain yet, so I continue to use a piece or dowel or the cut off broom handle when Im looking for a noise. It is amazing how you can tell if it under the valve cover or near the timing chain or the oil pan. To respond to your request if anyone knows what might be knocking after what was a good engine, has set for 5 or so years. Nothing comes to my mind immediately but the first thing I did think of was a main bearing. Also sometimes spiders can get inside and its amazing how strong a cob web is- perhaps an oil passage is blocked. Last off is the generator or alternator making a noise. Im gasping at straws BUT if you came to the list, Im sure you are grasping too. please let us know what the noise is when you locate it. TonytheTiger From Timothy.Ronak at akzonobel.com Tue Apr 21 14:58:47 2009 From: Timothy.Ronak at akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:58:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Teething Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF0BFACF28@norn32.d30.intra> Theo, The Cobra covers may be interfering at the breather or the rockers may be hitting if you went to the roller rockers. The original covers were intended for use with the stock stamped steel rockers. I would start with this. If the knock is internal ... sometimes hard to describe I might look for Oil pump or Oil pan interference although I believe you had the Canton pan on before. I would use a stethoscope to narrow down the area of the knock to diagnose the location or area of the sound. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings, Inc. 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 PH: 949-305-5393 Cell: 949-289-3357 FX: 425-955-6268 Email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal Email: timronak at cox.net If you received this message in error please inform the sender and delete the message. From JHef101 at aol.com Tue Apr 21 14:54:46 2009 From: JHef101 at aol.com (JHef101 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:54:46 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Teething troubles. Message-ID: In a message dated 4/21/2009 9:38:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Theo.Smit at dynastream.com writes: The only bad thing is that it's got a fairly noticeable knock, that I'm sure the engine didn't have when it was last run about six years ago. Is there anything in particular that afflicts the 5.0 roller-cam engines when they've sat for a long time? As far as I know nothing fell in any of the ports in the interim... when I swapped the engine into the Tiger I put on the cast 'Cobra' covers and the Canton windage tray and oil pan, but with stock 5.0 valve train I wasn't expecting any interference issues. The engine turned over by hand without any noticeable tight spots. Any ideas or suggestions would be most welcome. Theo You didn' t mention if you had done any disassembly of the engine prior to running it. Did you have the heads off and if so did you have them milled or replace the head gaskets? Or did you replace the pistons?The reason for asking is I ran across this a few years ago on a 427 Chev I rebuilt for my 69 Vette. The machine shop which milled the heads milled the right one slighty out of square and the tolerance was too tight on the aft piston so once the piston heated up the engine was experiencing piston slap which manifested itself as an obnoxious, hard to trace, medium pitch, knock. I ended up using .060 copper head gaskets which allowed enough clearance and never had another issue with the engine. Don't know if this applies to your situation, hope it helps. Jeff Hefner B9470028 **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221621490x1201450102/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter421NO62) From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Apr 21 15:16:03 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:16:03 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Teething In-Reply-To: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF0BFACF28@norn32.d30.intra> References: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF0BFACF28@norn32.d30.intra> Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019052BF@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Tony's note on the main bearings has me thinking I should check the routing of the oil lines to the remote filter. If I got those backwards then there wouldn't be a lot of flow because of the check valve in the filter, right? I'm sure that I went over that several times as I was doing the assembly but it won't hurt to check again. I appreciate all the suggestions. I'll check into it all over the next couple of days and see what is going on. Theo ________________________________ From: Ronak, TP (Timothy) [mailto:Timothy.Ronak at akzonobel.com] Sent: April 21, 2009 2:59 PM To: Smit, Theo Cc: Tiger News Group List Subject: Teething Theo, The Cobra covers may be interfering at the breather or the rockers may be hitting if you went to the roller rockers. The original covers were intended for use with the stock stamped steel rockers. I would start with this. If the knock is internal ... sometimes hard to describe I might look for Oil pump or Oil pan interference although I believe you had the Canton pan on before. I would use a stethoscope to narrow down the area of the knock to diagnose the location or area of the sound. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings, Inc. 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 PH: 949-305-5393 Cell: 949-289-3357 FX: 425-955-6268 Email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal Email: timronak at cox.net If you received this message in error please inform the sender and delete the message. From atwittsend at verizon.net Tue Apr 21 19:32:22 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:32:22 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Teething References: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF0BFACF28@norn32.d30.intra> <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019052BF@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: Theo, My understanding is that the roller rockers are still hydraulic (?). If that is the case given the metering system inside and sitting all those years that might be your source. I have a Mazda 323 that if it sits more than three days it will have one of the lifters (actually damper in that design) making a racket. Drive it for about an hour and it goes away and doesn't return until 6 months / a year later when it again sits for more that three days. Given your location relative to the Arctic Circle and the viscosity of oil there it only adds to the problem - if in fact is the problem. Tom From Rollright at aol.com Wed Apr 22 07:48:19 2009 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:48:19 EDT Subject: [Tigers] new Land Speed record contenders Message-ID: Mayf, This seems right up your ally! An F-104 with no wings for a land speed record attempt. (with the Brits closing in behind...) see: _http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21/science/21speed.html?8dpc_ (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21/science/21speed.html?8dpc) Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Apr 22 08:20:08 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:20:08 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Teething In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019052BF@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> References: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF0BFACF28@norn32.d30.intra> <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019052BF@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019052C3@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Hi all, I took the right side valve cover off last night and found touch marks on the baffle plate and three of the rockers. I removed the baffle plate and got that side stitched back together - gotta do the other side now and then see if the noise is gone. It looks like it was really close to not touching - it was probably a situation where it didn't touch until I compressed the valve cover gaskets. Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. Theo From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net Wed Apr 22 09:57:07 2009 From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:57:07 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Teething In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019052C3@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> References: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF0BFACF28@norn32.d30.intra> <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019052BF@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019052C3@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <49EF3E53.4050901@cox.net> Good luck, Theo! Best Regards David Sosna Smit, Theo wrote: > Hi all, > I took the right side valve cover off last night and found touch marks > on the baffle plate and three of the rockers. I removed the baffle plate > and got that side stitched back together - gotta do the other side now > and then see if the noise is gone. It looks like it was really close to > not touching - it was probably a situation where it didn't touch until I > compressed the valve cover gaskets. > > Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. > > Theo > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4027 (20090422) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com From Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com Wed Apr 22 10:13:27 2009 From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com (Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 12:13:27 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 163 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Classic Sunbeam told me that you can just bend the baffle to make it closer to the valve cover to fix this issue. Paul > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:20:08 -0600 > From: "Smit, Theo" > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Teething > To: "Tiger News Group List" > Message-ID: > <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019052C3 at dsimail.ad.garmin.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi all, > I took the right side valve cover off last night and found touch marks > on the baffle plate and three of the rockers. I removed the baffle plate > and got that side stitched back together - gotta do the other side now > and then see if the noise is gone. It looks like it was really close to > not touching - it was probably a situation where it didn't touch until I > compressed the valve cover gaskets. > > Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. > > Theo From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Apr 22 10:18:00 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 10:18:00 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 163 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019052C6@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> That's likely true. Not all the rockers hit, and the ones that did, only hit where there is a small projecting crease in the baffle plate. I will probably end up going with roller rockers at some point and I'll end up having to remove the baffles at that point anyway. Since I have to go in, I might as well do the removal. Theo ________________________________ From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com [mailto:Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com] Sent: April 22, 2009 10:13 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Cc: Smit, Theo Subject: Re: Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 163 Classic Sunbeam told me that you can just bend the baffle to make it closer to the valve cover to fix this issue. Paul From Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com Wed Apr 22 12:29:43 2009 From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com (Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:29:43 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] valve cover baffles In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019052C6@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: Hi Theo, With the baffles removed, would that cause a problem with venting? For example, the oil cap now gets covered in oil and when the engine "breathes" the oil can splash onto the outside of the valve cover? Paul "Smit, Theo" wrote on 04/22/2009 12:18:00 PM: > That's likely true. Not all the rockers hit, and the ones that did, > only hit where there is a small projecting crease in the baffle > plate. I will probably end up going with roller rockers at some > point and I'll end up having to remove the baffles at that point > anyway. Since I have to go in, I might as well do the removal. > > Theo > > From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com [mailto:Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com] > Sent: April 22, 2009 10:13 AM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Cc: Smit, Theo > Subject: Re: Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 163 > > Classic Sunbeam told me that you can just bend the baffle to make it > closer to the valve cover to fix this issue. > > Paul From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Apr 22 13:04:00 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 13:04:00 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] valve cover baffles In-Reply-To: References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019052C6@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019052C8@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Hi Paul, According to what others have said, it's not a significant problem. I suspect that if an engine had a lot of blowby and/or the PCV system wasn't working then there might be an issue. The valve covers were originally designed for the old-school pushrods and rockers, and the Ford engines were just out of the draft-tube crankcase ventilation era. It might be that current engine technology manages the oil spray in the valve train area a little better. I currently have an aftermarket breather cap on the left side (it's not connected to the air cleaner assembly) that just has the vent holes on the underside and some kind of foam baffle inside it. We'll see if it turns out to be an issue. Theo ________________________________ From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com [mailto:Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com] Sent: April 22, 2009 12:30 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Cc: Smit, Theo Subject: valve cover baffles Hi Theo, With the baffles removed, would that cause a problem with venting? For example, the oil cap now gets covered in oil and when the engine "breathes" the oil can splash onto the outside of the valve cover? Paul "Smit, Theo" wrote on 04/22/2009 12:18:00 PM: > That's likely true. Not all the rockers hit, and the ones that did, > only hit where there is a small projecting crease in the baffle > plate. I will probably end up going with roller rockers at some > point and I'll end up having to remove the baffles at that point > anyway. Since I have to go in, I might as well do the removal. > > Theo > > From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com [mailto:Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com] > Sent: April 22, 2009 10:13 AM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Cc: Smit, Theo > Subject: Re: Tigers Digest, Vol 3, Issue 163 > > Classic Sunbeam told me that you can just bend the baffle to make it > closer to the valve cover to fix this issue. > > Paul From Carmods at aol.com Wed Apr 22 14:04:50 2009 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:04:50 EDT Subject: [Tigers] valve cover baffles Message-ID: When I removed the baffles from my new 5.0 L roller cam with cast covers and the stock stamped rockers, the oil consumption was a quart every 100 miles. I replaced the baffles but raised them up about 1/4 inch, used two cover gaskets and cut away some of the area that hit. The oil consumption is now less than 3/4 quart between 3000 miles oil changes. John Logan **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433404x1201394533/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubl eclick.net%2Fclk%3B214133109%3B36002181%3Bk) From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 19:50:01 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:50:01 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger LED lights Message-ID: Here's somethign different, LED headlights for our tigers... think ill pass on aesthetic reasons.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/ledheadlamps/3466609578/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ledheadlamps/3466610318/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ledheadlamps/3465797351/ -- Regards Michael King From tsmit at shaw.ca Wed Apr 22 22:57:40 2009 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (THEO SMIT) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:57:40 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger LED lights In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can't see the headlights from the driver's seat... what's the issue? http://www.truck-lite.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId= 10001&storeId=10001&productId=64057&langId=-1 These lights draw 25 watts on low beam and 50 watts on high beam. That has me a bit curious because LEDs are more efficient (in terms of light output per watt supplied to the LED) than incandescents. I bought a couple of 10W white LEDs a couple of months ago. I haven't tested them at full power yet because I don't have them bolted to a heat sink, but even at about 1/3 power they're ungodly bright. Should be good for daytime running lights on the Tiger... when I get the current crop of issues resolved. Cheers, Theo ----- Original Message ----- From: michael king Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:23 pm Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger LED lights To: Tiger Talk List Tiger > Here's somethign different, LED headlights for our tigers... > think ill pass > on aesthetic reasons.. > http://www.flickr.com/photos/ledheadlamps/3466609578/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/ledheadlamps/3466610318/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/ledheadlamps/3465797351/ > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From Carmods at aol.com Thu Apr 23 06:52:48 2009 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:52:48 EDT Subject: [Tigers] 1996 Sunbeam Tiger Message-ID: I've always wondered what a 1996 Sunbeam Tiger looked like. John Logan **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219799634x1201361008/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubl eclick.net%2Fclk%3B214133440%3B36002254%3Bj) From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 09:01:55 2009 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:01:55 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] air filter Message-ID: <39a841b0904230801x3c4f4328gd031812413be1f42@mail.gmail.com> still quite cheap air filter housing on uk ebay - item # 230338217185. From mark.rense at ge.com Thu Apr 23 09:33:13 2009 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:33:13 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Plywood Question Message-ID: Can someone please give me or direct me to the exact dimensions of the piece of plywood under the battery tray. Is it kept in its natural state, painted or stained? To be concours correct would I assume that it has to be made from old English oak from an old English forest? Bugz From todbrown at roadrunner.com Thu Apr 23 21:09:32 2009 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:09:32 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Rear Springs Message-ID: <49F12D6C.6000305@roadrunner.com> Hello All: As with a number of things I have noticed as I get older, the rear springs on my Tiger seemed to have sagged a bit. Since they are the original springs, I thought I would replace them. Fortunately, Jim Armstrong had a set that he had decided not to use and offered them to me at a reasonable price. According to Jim, the springs came from Dale A. by way of another party. The weather here is beginning to get nice, so the other day, I got under the Tiger and removed the old springs without too much difficulty. When I compared the old and new springs, I noticed a difference between the two. In the center of the leaves (at the bottom of the U) is a pin which passes through the leaves, holds the leaves together and projects above the leaves. The projection fits into a recess in the bottom of a flat area on the axle, where the spring is clamped to the axle by the U-bolts and serves to locate the spring at that point. What I noticed is that the pin in the old spring is smaller than the one in the new spring so that the pin on the new spring is too large to fit into the recess on the bottom of the axle. Has anyone else encountered this and how did you handle the problem? I think I can just enlarge the recess at the bottom of the axle, but is that too obvious? Was there a variation amongst cars in the size of the pin in the springs or is it just another example of that old oxymoron, English Engineering? Also, there is, as most of you know, a rubber rebound pad attached to the springs near the forward end. Does anyone know where I can obtain replacements? I looked quickly at the catalog for SS and didn't see them listed. Thanks in advance, Tod B382002384LRXFE From jim at island.net Thu Apr 23 22:38:37 2009 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:38:37 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rear Springs In-Reply-To: <49F12D6C.6000305@roadrunner.com> References: <49F12D6C.6000305@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: Hi Tod I recently had some spring work done on my stock springs. The shop replaced the center bolt with a larger one and the reason they gave was that it was the smallest one they carry. As Dale's springs are 'new', I imagine that they have the same bolt as mine do now. Just go ahead and drill the spring pads on the rear end to fit the new pins... If those 'Dale's' springs have the 'torque leaf' on the front half of the springs, then I don't think that rubber 'rebound' piece will be necessary. I don't know if they are available from any source Jim G. B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tod Brown Sent: April 23, 2009 8:10 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Rear Springs Hello All: As with a number of things I have noticed as I get older, the rear springs on my Tiger seemed to have sagged a bit. Since they are the original springs, I thought I would replace them. Fortunately, Jim Armstrong had a set that he had decided not to use and offered them to me at a reasonable price. According to Jim, the springs came from Dale A. by way of another party. The weather here is beginning to get nice, so the other day, I got under the Tiger and removed the old springs without too much difficulty. When I compared the old and new springs, I noticed a difference between the two. In the center of the leaves (at the bottom of the U) is a pin which passes through the leaves, holds the leaves together and projects above the leaves. The projection fits into a recess in the bottom of a flat area on the axle, where the spring is clamped to the axle by the U-bolts and serves to locate the spring at that point. What I noticed is that the pin in the old spring is smaller than the one in the new spring so that the pin on the new spring is too large to fit into the recess on the bottom of the axle. Has anyone else encountered this and how did you handle the problem? I think I can just enlarge the recess at the bottom of the axle, but is that too obvious? Was there a variation amongst cars in the size of the pin in the springs or is it just another example of that old oxymoron, English Engineering? Also, there is, as most of you know, a rubber rebound pad attached to the springs near the forward end. Does anyone know where I can obtain replacements? I looked quickly at the catalog for SS and didn't see them listed. Thanks in advance, Tod B382002384LRXFE Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From rfraser at bluefrog.com Fri Apr 24 08:38:30 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:38:30 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Rear Springs In-Reply-To: <49F12D6C.6000305@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: Tod The pin on my old springs is .37" in diameter. I purchased springs from CAT many years ago and I do not remember having a problem with fitting the pin. I'm not sure who made the springs for CAT then but it might have been through Dale and they may have had a smaller pin back then. You should be able to bore out the hole with no problem. You might try Classic Sunbeam for the rubber; not sure if this part is being remanufactured anywhere. I was able to get these rubber parts off my old springs and attached them on the new springs. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tod Brown Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:10 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Rear Springs Hello All: As with a number of things I have noticed as I get older, the rear springs on my Tiger seemed to have sagged a bit. Since they are the original springs, I thought I would replace them. Fortunately, Jim Armstrong had a set that he had decided not to use and offered them to me at a reasonable price. According to Jim, the springs came from Dale A. by way of another party. The weather here is beginning to get nice, so the other day, I got under the Tiger and removed the old springs without too much difficulty. When I compared the old and new springs, I noticed a difference between the two. In the center of the leaves (at the bottom of the U) is a pin which passes through the leaves, holds the leaves together and projects above the leaves. The projection fits into a recess in the bottom of a flat area on the axle, where the spring is clamped to the axle by the U-bolts and serves to locate the spring at that point. What I noticed is that the pin in the old spring is smaller than the one in the new spring so that the pin on the new spring is too large to fit into the recess on the bottom of the axle. Has anyone else encountered this and how did you handle the problem? I think I can just enlarge the recess at the bottom of the axle, but is that too obvious? Was there a variation amongst cars in the size of the pin in the springs or is it just another example of that old oxymoron, English Engineering? Also, there is, as most of you know, a rubber rebound pad attached to the springs near the forward end. Does anyone know where I can obtain replacements? I looked quickly at the catalog for SS and didn't see them listed. Thanks in advance, Tod B382002384LRXFE No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.2/2074 - Release Date: 04/23/09 19:21:00 From Timothy.Ronak at akzonobel.com Fri Apr 24 09:39:14 2009 From: Timothy.Ronak at akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:39:14 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Valve cover clearance Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF0BFFA6E7@norn32.d30.intra> Theo, With the Twisted wedge heads and the raised rail I was able to still run the baffles but had to modify them for the posi lock bolts. It was easy to do but I do not know how tough that would be with the stock valvecover rail height. I do know they make some thicker heavy rubber gaskets with a steel shim that may be a bolt in correction with no grinding. As I recall the gasket provided a < inch height. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings, Inc. 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 PH: 949-305-5393 Cell: 949-289-3357 FX: 425-955-6268 Email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal Email: timronak at cox.net If you received this message in error please inform the sender and delete the message. From sganz at pacbell.net Fri Apr 24 10:32:38 2009 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Valve cover clearance In-Reply-To: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF0BFFA6E7@norn32.d30.intra> References: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF0BFFA6E7@norn32.d30.intra> Message-ID: <443829.79271.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I would try this, it is cheep and easy. Get a couple of good rubber gaskets (I got some summit racing branded ones with embedded steel shim) and some 3M Weatherstrip adhesive and glue a set together might just raise it enough. I was trying that for some stock chrome ones and it mostly looked like it would fix the issue. I had to rip out the baffle but I think the double gasket moves it up a bit as Tim said a no grind solution. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "Ronak, TP (Timothy)" To: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Cc: Tiger News Group List Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:39:14 AM Subject: [Tigers] Valve cover clearance Theo, With the Twisted wedge heads and the raised rail I was able to still run the baffles but had to modify them for the posi lock bolts. It was easy to do but I do not know how tough that would be with the stock valvecover rail height. I do know they make some thicker heavy rubber gaskets with a steel shim that may be a bolt in correction with no grinding. As I recall the gasket provided a < inch height. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings, Inc. 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 PH: 949-305-5393 Cell: 949-289-3357 FX: 425-955-6268 Email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal Email: timronak at cox.net If you received this message in error please inform the sender and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From Timothy.Ronak at akzonobel.com Fri Apr 24 14:25:00 2009 From: Timothy.Ronak at akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:25:00 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Valve cover clearance In-Reply-To: <83554.2970.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <83554.2970.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF0C02ACDD@norn32.d30.intra> The nylocs should not beused as heat and oil cause them to back off. Only the swedged steel friction nuts should be used on Rockers. I realize some have used the nylocs but my experience is tha they are crap. Posi locks have a set screw that guarentees no backing off after tightened. LOOK ON Tigersunited.com for the lunatis stroker build up to see what posi locks look like in the cylinder head section. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings, Inc. 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 PH: 949-305-5393 Cell: 949-289-3357 FX: 425-955-6268 Email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal Email: timronak at cox.net If you received this message in error please inform the sender and delete the message. ________________________________ From: Tony Somebody [mailto:achd73 at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:46 AM To: Ronak, TP (Timothy) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve cover clearance Tim- I use bushing nuts (nyloc) on many applications- especially my Hds. Im curious what the posi lock bolts are and if I need them, well, Im sure there are places I need them but since Im not sure what they are or look like. cn you expand my knowledge/ thanks, Tony --- On Fri, 4/24/09, Ronak, TP (Timothy) wrote: From: Ronak, TP (Timothy) Subject: [Tigers] Valve cover clearance To: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Cc: "Tiger News Group List" Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 10:39 AM Theo, With the Twisted wedge heads and the raised rail I was able to still run the baffles but had to modify them for the posi lock bolts. It was easy to do but I do not know how tough that would be with the stock valvecover rail height. I do know they make some thicker heavy rubber gaskets with a steel shim that may be a bolt in correction with no grinding. As I recall the gasket provided a < inch height. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings, Inc. 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 PH: 949-305-5393 Cell: 949-289-3357 FX: 425-955-6268 Email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com > Personal Email: timronak at cox.net > If you received this message in error please inform the sender and delete the message. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From macdonald49 at shaw.ca Fri Apr 24 19:41:49 2009 From: macdonald49 at shaw.ca (Peter MacDonald) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:41:49 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] All British Field Meet Message-ID: Just a reminder that the ABFM will be held on the Victoria Day Weekend in Vancouver, BC. The car show is at Van Dusen Gardens on Sat May 16th. Special tribute for the 50th birthday of the Sunbeam Alpine (and a couple of others). More info at: www.westerndriver.com/ABFM Peter From sganz at pacbell.net Sat Apr 25 12:16:34 2009 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:16:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] PowDer coating removal In-Reply-To: <254455.90705.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <254455.90705.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <699635.68413.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just _finally_ remembered to try the Permatex gasket remover on the powder coating on the spindles bearing surfaces... Success, it worked almost instantly and with just a wipe the surface was clean. Ditto what Bill said below. Better living through chemistry as they say! Sandy ________________________________ From: Bill Waite To: tigers at autox.team.net; Sandy Ganz Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 10:05:42 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] PowDer coating removal I just tried that (Permatex Gasket Remover) the other day on a powder coated piece. Didn't work at all. But... I can testify that does work GREAT on painted items as your article said. Works better than any currently available paint remover I've found. I miss the "good old days" when they sold stuff that peeled off paint easily in layers. Of course, the fumes would eventually kill you, too... but we didn't know that and ignorance was bliss. Bill Waite --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Sandy Ganz wrote: From: Sandy Ganz Subject: [Tigers] PowDer coating removal To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 11:10 AM Found this on the web, will give it a try, I have used it on gaskets and works well, see how it does on Powder coatings. [quote] The easiest and cheapest way to remove paint and powder coating is with gasket remover. The product we use in our shop is Permatex Gasket Remover (item #80646). It comes in a 12 ounce aerosol can which is more than enough to do even large projects like engine cases. It is available from most auto parts stores. Other products, such as Zip Strip. paint remover, may also work, but the Permatex product is what we have had the most success with. Simply spray on a liberal coating to the part you are trying to strip, and wait 10-15 minutes. Be sure not to get any on areas that you do not want stripped. Make sure to wear eye and skin protection as it can irritate both.After 10-15 minutes, the powder coating will bubble and peel. Wipe off the gasket remover and loosened powder coating with a disposable rag. You may need to reapply as some areas will be missed the first time. That's it! Your part should be stripped down to the bare metal. Make sure to wash with wax and grease remover before you try to repaint. [end quote] Chemicals to the rescue... Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Sun Apr 26 11:21:41 2009 From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 13:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] PLEASANTON, CA BRITISH, EUROPEAN & UNIQUE FOREIGN CAR GATHERING Message-ID: <5032438.1240766501270.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> PLEASANTON,CALIFORNIA EUROPEAN, BRITISH, AND UNIQUE FOREIGN CAR GATHERING May 2, 2008, Saturday, 12:00 b 4:00 PM (Come and go as you please!) This event is free & open to all owners of European, classic, high performance and any unique imported cars of particular interest. Emphasis will be on cars produced pre-1975. Also, unique cars from other continents welcome as well! This is a good excuse to take a drive to a Bay Area destination, blow the cobwebs out of the carburettors and meet with other local enthusiasts. NEW LOCATIONb&b&.. Simply Greek Restaurant, 4220-C Rosewood Drive, Pleasanton, CA - Phone: 925-463-8801 - Website:(www.simply-greek.com) Conveniently located in the Rose Pavilion near Santa Rita Road & Rose Pavilion Road (Just minutes from the Hwy 580/Santa Rita Road freeway exit) As before, this is an informal, relatively last minute gathering & an excuse to leave the "Honey Do" list behind as you "run to the hardware store for some parts." Since the last gathering of about 50 cars, we've had numerous requests to "Do it again." So, before the car show season gets into full swing, here we go again! We've got considerably more space at the Rose Pavilion as a result of a number of fairly large businesses that have vacated their properties.The Simply Greek restaurant parking lot (& adjacent area) will accommodate upwards of 75 cars. Simply Greek welcomes our group and offers unique, quality food (consistent with our cars!!). Within walking distance there are also a few other restaurants including TGIF, Asian, etc. As with the last event, the success of the event was largely due to enthusiasts spreading the word to friends, car clubs and those that who would like to see a casual collection of unique cars. THIS EVENT IS FOR THOSE THAT ARE: - Tired of "American Only" car gatherings with virtually no Foreign, Euro or interesting (to you) cars on display - Interested in a Saturday drive destination to meet with other Foreign car enthusiasts on a beautiful, sunny California day and tell car "tales" - Owner's of a wide range of foreign sports, specialty, high performance and unique vehicles are welcome to bring vehicles in any condition including; "drivers", show level examples, exotics, and even interesting "RIP" (Restorations in Progress) - Interested in meeting other foreign car owners and possibly organizing driving events and other activities for certain types / groups of cars - Have a car for sale and would like some free advertising to a group of potentially interested buyer's Sound interesting? If so, please join us for a few hours (or as long as you care to stay) of very informal socializing and viewing of some interesting cars. No need to RSVP, sign upb&just show up and let's see how many cars we can attract. For information contact: Paul Wankle From robin02 at mindspring.com Mon Apr 27 22:23:50 2009 From: robin02 at mindspring.com (Robin Young) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 00:23:50 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Zipper replacement Message-ID: THe three zippers on my tonneau have failed. I could not find this addressed on Tigersunited and have looked at several sites on line for replacements. No joy. Does anyone have a source for new zippers? My preference is to find nylon to better protect the top of the B posts. RObin Young From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tue Apr 28 06:11:51 2009 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:11:51 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Is it just me...Tiger bite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c9c7fa$84c6eaf0$8e54c0d0$@rr.com> Who else has ripped the flesh off of their skull by hitting the trunk lid catch? I have done it at least three times now. I need to find a piece of hose or something to put on it when it is open. Duke B382002037 From mark.rense at ge.com Tue Apr 28 06:27:47 2009 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:27:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Is it just me...Tiger bite In-Reply-To: <000001c9c7fa$84c6eaf0$8e54c0d0$@rr.com> References: <000001c9c7fa$84c6eaf0$8e54c0d0$@rr.com> Message-ID: Duke, you should know by now that Tigers are carnivores, mine have taken flesh off fingers, hands, elbows, ears and even my nose...and that's just from getting that eighth spark plug out! :>) Bugz B382000991 B382001465 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Samouce's Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:12 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Is it just me...Tiger bite Who else has ripped the flesh off of their skull by hitting the trunk lid catch? I have done it at least three times now. I need to find a piece of hose or something to put on it when it is open. Duke B382002037 Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From fastsage at cox.net Tue Apr 28 07:37:21 2009 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 06:37:21 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Is it just me...Tiger bite In-Reply-To: <000001c9c7fa$84c6eaf0$8e54c0d0$@rr.com> References: <000001c9c7fa$84c6eaf0$8e54c0d0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <49F70691.1040606@cox.net> Duke: Wrap a piece of electrical wire around the right trunk support, where both pieces overlap, if that makes sense, when it's open. You'll see that the trunk will not fall down, and it's easy to unwrap the wire when you're done. I never work inside the trunk without doing that. Don't ask me how I learned to do that. Steve Sage Samouce's wrote: > Who else has ripped the flesh off of their skull by hitting the trunk lid > catch? > > I have done it at least three times now. I need to find a piece of hose or > something to put on it when it is open. > > Duke > B382002037 > _______________________________________________ > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) Database version: 6.12270 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Apr 28 07:41:26 2009 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:41:26 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Zipper replacement In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <93DFE7954A074C4A801827870ADB25F5@ronpc1> Robin Try an automotive upholstery shop or fabric supply shop. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robin Young Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:24 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Zipper replacement THe three zippers on my tonneau have failed. I could not find this addressed on Tigersunited and have looked at several sites on line for replacements. No joy. Does anyone have a source for new zippers? My preference is to find nylon to better protect the top of the B posts. RObin Young No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2082 - Release Date: 04/27/09 06:19:00 From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tue Apr 28 08:58:21 2009 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (wsamouce at kc.rr.com) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:58:21 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Is it just me...Tiger bite In-Reply-To: <49F70691.1040606@cox.net> Message-ID: <20090428145822.IR1QO.276411.root@hrndva-web13-z02> Oh no...it did not fall on my head....that would suck. I hit my head on the catch that hangs down. I have pulled hair and flesh off of it several times. Duke B382002037 ---- Steve Sage wrote: > Duke: > Wrap a piece of electrical wire around the right trunk support, where > both pieces overlap, if that makes sense, when it's open. You'll see > that the trunk will not fall down, and it's easy to unwrap the wire when > you're done. I never work inside the trunk without doing that. Don't ask > me how I learned to do that. > > Steve Sage > > > Samouce's wrote: > > Who else has ripped the flesh off of their skull by hitting the trunk lid > > catch? > > > > I have done it at least three times now. I need to find a piece of hose or > > something to put on it when it is open. > > > > Duke > > B382002037 > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.1.441) > Database version: 6.12270 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From atwittsend at verizon.net Tue Apr 28 10:01:36 2009 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:01:36 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Is it just me...Tiger bite References: <20090428145822.IR1QO.276411.root@hrndva-web13-z02> Message-ID: <0F6D34379C4244B7BB3BCF3729A8D80F@student2> Duke, I have used a piece of the foam used to wrap water pipes. Typically it is split and to some degree can be sized to slide over a protrusion, yet retains enough friction to stay. Wrapping it with duct tap holds its size. I recommend finding that ideal point between cushioning and extended too far to be an annoyance. Of course you have to remember to put it on and take it off but there has been more than one time that I've said to myself, "I'm glad I remembered that." Tom From robin02 at mindspring.com Tue Apr 28 10:02:17 2009 From: robin02 at mindspring.com (Robin Young) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:02:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Zipper replacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C114CD09A964C27B21209E983FCFDAD@RobinLaptop> Thanks for the replies and suggestions. The solution I went with for the 38" and two 6" zippers was to have them custom made in nylon in a #10 size. Stan at Stan's Sewing Supplies in Mission Kansas was very helpful and is making the zippers for 21.00 including shipping. He can be contacted at 913-940-1844. He has a web site also but, it was not useable for the order needed for the tonneau. If any one is interested in the outcome, let me know. RObin -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robin Young Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:24 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Zipper replacement THe three zippers on my tonneau have failed. I could not find this addressed on Tigersunited and have looked at several sites on line for replacements. No joy. Does anyone have a source for new zippers? My preference is to find nylon to better protect the top of the B posts. RObin Young From dave at munroe.ca Tue Apr 28 10:18:47 2009 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:18:47 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Is it just me...Tiger bite Message-ID: <1086321573-1240935536-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-359277516-@bxe1094.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Duke asked: "Who else has ripped the flesh off of their skull by hitting the trunk lid catch?" Me. (:o( Dave Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 28 10:52:08 2009 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:52:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Is it just me...Tiger bite Message-ID: <83252.31541.qm@web30401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think Ive had the hood fall more than the trnk lid. I keep a pin in the hole in the hood prop so when im working and not paying attention, I cant knock the prop out of the clip. I also keep a cut off broom handle to prop the trunk up when Im working in there BUT I think I will try wrapping the insulated wire around the hinge and see if that isnt easier. Im sure when traveling etc. it would be better than keeping the broom handle in the trunk. of course I can always ues it for other things but a piece of wire can be used for several temporary cures. TtT From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Tue Apr 28 11:32:07 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:32:07 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Zipper replacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49F73D97.4090009@SoCal.rr.com> Robin, Thanks for looking at TU.com first. These are "industrial" zippers. A top shop ought to be able to order you the heavy duty model and sew it on. As for replacement tonneau covers: I do recommend "Robbins" http://www.robbinsautotopco.com/homepage.html and Sunbeam Specialties stocked "Robbins" (below) @ $279 (pic will be deleted on the list, but link works) http://www.rootes.com/Images/drawings/p20_top2.jpg ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Robin Young wrote: > THe three zippers on my tonneau have failed. I could not find this addressed > on Tigersunited and have looked at several sites on line for replacements. > No joy. Does anyone have a source for new zippers? My preference is to > find nylon to better protect the top of the B posts. RObin Young > _______________________________________________ From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 28 19:27:49 2009 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (J. Nichols) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:27:49 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Is it just me...Tiger bite *** Lord Rootes Revenge Message-ID: <005a01c9c869$b60e46c0$6401a8c0@your03667082de> "I hit my head on the catch that hangs down. I have pulled hair and flesh off of it several times." Blimey! Yeah, thats a real doozy, that one it is. A good crack on the noggin is what that is about! Bloody hell, it was designed in a pub on a napkin after many pints, I wager! Jeff From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 19:33:00 2009 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:33:00 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Is it just me...Tiger bite *** Lord Rootes Revenge In-Reply-To: <005a01c9c869$b60e46c0$6401a8c0@your03667082de> References: <005a01c9c869$b60e46c0$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: i found hitting my head ont he boot catch a once every 3 year thing.. you have to wait just long enough to forget how much it hurt.. before doing it again. try the knock the bonnet prop while working in the engine bay.. makes you wish you have an LAT hood as the underside flattens your skull... then there are SII alpines windows guides... they go for the eye... -- Regards Michael King From crbernardino at mac.com Wed Apr 29 05:16:04 2009 From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:16:04 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Legendary Motorcar - Home of the Dream Car Garage - Legendary Inventory Message-ID: <5A61EE22-2EE5-498D-A023-9F10EB4CF983@mac.com> Thought the group would like to see this - I subscribe to legendary motor car because they do nice restorations and this morning I received an email about this Tiger. If you ever watched the Speed TV show Dream Car Garage, this is the garage they film out of. This car looks very clean but curious they do not mention or show pics of the VIN number. Rob http://www.legendarymotorcar.com/legendary.php?obj=inventory&name=1965Sunbeam10062 Rob in CT 1966 Mk1A Tiger B382000262 LRXFE JAL660245 Color Code 39: Carnival Red From PhastPhill at aol.com Wed Apr 29 06:17:23 2009 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:17:23 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Legendary Motorcar - Home of the Dream Car Garage - Legendary In... Message-ID: I'm curious as well. I'm on their list because our club has had tours there. I'm less than an hour away and could have a look for someone. If their selling it though it will be in pretty good nick, but not cheap!! From zymmer4 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 29 07:52:13 2009 From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 06:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Legendary Motorcar - Home of the Dream Car Garage - Legendary In... Message-ID: <537882.28501.qm@web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hi, I havw been following LMC for years. They seem to have a good shop. I would not doubt the validity of any car they have ever done. Their attention to detail is what makes them stand out amoungst restoration businesses. Howard The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Wed, 4/29/09, PhastPhill at aol.com wrote: From: PhastPhill at aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Legendary Motorcar - Home of the Dream Car Garage - Legendary In... To: crbernardino at mac.com, tigers at autox.team.net Date: Wednesday, April 29, 2009, 8:17 AM I'm curious as well. I'm on their list because our club has had tours there. I'm less than an hour away and could have a look for someone. If their selling it though it will be in pretty good nick, but not cheap!! Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From bob at rjosten.com Wed Apr 29 10:12:09 2009 From: bob at rjosten.com (Bob Josten) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:12:09 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] car movie Message-ID: This one looks like it will be worth seeing- 'Love the Beast'. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/29/eric-bana-makes-film-on-h_n_192720.html The subject is not a tiger but at least it's a Ford. Bob From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Apr 29 14:15:14 2009 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:15:14 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Zipper replacement Message-ID: Steve, Does Robbins also make the cover for the arm rest for SS? I got one from SS and it was a piece of crap. The padded portion on top was about 1" narrower than the actual arm rest. I put it on, but will replace it when I find a good one. Mark In a message dated 4/28/2009 1:32:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com writes: Robin, Thanks for looking at TU.com first. These are "industrial" zippers. A top shop ought to be able to order you the heavy duty model and sew it on. As for replacement tonneau covers: I do recommend "Robbins" http://www.robbinsautotopco.com/homepage.html and Sunbeam Specialties stocked "Robbins" (below) @ $279 (pic will be deleted on the list, but link works) http://www.rootes.com/Images/drawings/p20_top2.jpg ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Robin Young wrote: > THe three zippers on my tonneau have failed. I could not find this addressed > on Tigersunited and have looked at several sites on line for replacements. > No joy. Does anyone have a source for new zippers? My preference is to > find nylon to better protect the top of the B posts. RObin Young > _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net Wed Apr 29 16:16:03 2009 From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:16:03 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Zipper replacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49F8D1A3.7090100@cox.net> Mark You might want to let Rick know. While I haven't dealt with him since I sold my Tiger, my sense is that he takes a great deal of pride in the products he sells and doesn't like to sell cr at p. I think he'd like to know that you're not happy. Best Regards David Sosna CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > Steve, > Does Robbins also make the cover for the arm rest for SS? I got one from > SS and it was a piece of crap. The padded portion on top was about 1" > narrower than the actual arm rest. I put it on, but will replace it when I > find a good one. > Mark From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Wed Apr 29 15:19:06 2009 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:19:06 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Zipper replacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49F8C44A.3020104@SoCal.rr.com> Mark, I don't know. If Rick were aware of it, in my experience, he would quickly refund the money, and get a new source. Martha Wheat is the place to go, if she is still in business, for upholstery and top work - in original and superior. but not original (Leather, custom tops, etc.) But, while fairly priced, isn't inexpensive. I wonder who sells the special O.E.M. forehead bandages for trunk lid impacts? Seems to be in demand. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > *Steve,* > *Does Robbins also make the cover for the arm rest for SS? I got one > from SS and it was a piece of crap. The padded portion on top was > about 1" narrower than the actual arm rest. I put it on, but will > replace it when I find a good one.* > *Mark* > > In a message dated 4/28/2009 1:32:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com writes: > > Robin, > > Thanks for looking at TU.com first. > > These are "industrial" zippers. A top shop ought to be able to order > you the heavy duty model and sew it on. > > As for replacement tonneau covers: > > I do recommend "Robbins" > > http://www.robbinsautotopco.com/homepage.html > > and Sunbeam Specialties stocked "Robbins" (below) @ $279 > > (pic will be deleted on the list, but link works) > > http://www.rootes.com/Images/drawings/p20_top2.jpg > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > > Robin Young wrote: > > THe three zippers on my tonneau have failed. I could not find > this addressed > > on Tigersunited and have looked at several sites on line for > replacements. > > No joy. Does anyone have a source for new zippers? My > preference is to > > find nylon to better protect the top of the B posts. RObin Young > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get > the Radio Toolbar > ! From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Apr 29 15:29:31 2009 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:29:31 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Zipper replacement In-Reply-To: <49F8C44A.3020104@SoCal.rr.com> References: <49F8C44A.3020104@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157019052F8@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Wouldn't they be called 'sticking plasters" or something like that? The correct OEM pieces would be WW2 surplus, and they wouldn't actually have stuck on anything, even when they were new. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Laifman > > I wonder who sells the special O.E.M. forehead bandages for > trunk lid impacts? Seems to be in demand. > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > From garywinblad at comcast.net Wed Apr 29 16:47:34 2009 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:47:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Zipper replacement(ARM REST) In-Reply-To: <49F8D1A3.7090100@cox.net> Message-ID: <1849593165.3637991241045254331.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Mark, You might want to look at another Tiger. The "padded portion" IS about 1inch narrower than the armrest. (from seam to seam, sides wrap around and attach underneath) Gary ----- Original Message ----- CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > Steve, > Does Robbins also make the cover for the arm rest for SS? I got one from > SS and it was a piece of crap. The padded portion on top was about 1" > narrower than the actual arm rest. I put it on, but will replace it when I > find a good one. > Mark From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 30 08:31:18 2009 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: EyesOn Design Car Show Message-ID: <513805.41958.qm@web80804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Listers, I am trying to locate 10-12 cars for a British Sports Car section at the EyesOn Design Car Show being held June 21 in Grosse Pointe Shores, Michigan. I would like to have a good cross section of cars, from all of the manufacturers. Our only requirement is that the cars are to have been built prior to around 1970. If you are interested in showing your car, please let me know off list. More information at http://eyesondesigncarshow.com. Cheers, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net