From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Mon Sep 1 07:39:03 2008 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Duke Samouce) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 08:39:03 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Your valve covers missing? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601c90c38$197e4fa0$4c7aeee0$@rr.com> I have the valve covers from engine 2056 A27KA. Sometime in the past 42 years, my covers got switch with another Tiger. Picture two cars at the same shop with covers removed for service.... The ID sticker is on the back driver side cover which Norm tells me is rare. Duke B382002037 From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Sep 1 08:06:23 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:06:23 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Your valve covers missing? In-Reply-To: <000601c90c38$197e4fa0$4c7aeee0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <000001c90c3b$ed6283b0$52911840@ronpc1> Duke Engine 5135 F21KA also has the ID sticker on the drivers side valve cover. Maybe this is a random occurrence or the production laborer was out those days and the replacement worker was not trained correctly on this procedure. Looks like the start of another Poll. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duke Samouce Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 9:39 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Your valve covers missing? I have the valve covers from engine 2056 A27KA. Sometime in the past 42 years, my covers got switch with another Tiger. Picture two cars at the same shop with covers removed for service.... The ID sticker is on the back driver side cover which Norm tells me is rare. Duke B382002037 You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1645 - Release Date: 9/1/2008 7:19 AM From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Sep 1 08:20:07 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:20:07 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] What is the "correct" engine color? In-Reply-To: <000001c90927$413fbb00$84b11840@ronpc1> Message-ID: <000001c90c3d$d95d7990$52911840@ronpc1> Poll results to date. Response was very slim for this Poll so far; 4 responses that related the date code to the engine color. Results: F21KA Black B19KC Old Ford Dark Blue I would truly like to see more responses about F21KA and B19KC date code engines. Ron Fraser From t-brandt at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 1 08:21:59 2008 From: t-brandt at sbcglobal.net (Thomas Brandt) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 07:21:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Valve Covers Message-ID: <140638.94864.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My Tigers's valve cover reads engine 1104-G13KA (or GI3KA) for B9470099. Tom From todbrown at roadrunner.com Mon Sep 1 08:32:08 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:32:08 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Insurance ? Message-ID: <48BBFCE8.2030003@roadrunner.com> Steve: If you have had a good experience with Allstate, then you should feel lucky. When I bought my Tiger in Oct. of 1966, I had just turned 25. Up until then I had had my insurance through my Dad's policy which was with Allstate. Being that the Tiger was my first new car and that the insurance companies would no longer charge a fee for an "underage driver", I decided to get my own insurance. My uncle was a vice president with Aetna, so I asked him if one company was better than another and his reply was that they were all the same. So, I signed up with Allstate and had my policy with them for 40 straight years. Over that time, I and the other members of my family, have had a few claims, mostly not our fault and were treated reasonably well by Allstate. Two years ago, however, I got my bill from Allstate and noted that it had gone up by about 50%. In the past five years, my wife and I had had two "reportable incidents". One in which someone backed into my car in a parking lot when the car was parked with no one in it and the second when a guy made a left turn in front of my wife while he was "blinded by the sun". He admitted he was at fault and his insurance paid. So I was a bit baffled by the rise in my rates. On questioning Allstate, they offered no explanation just that "those are our rates". I did some comparison shopping and found that other companies would offer me the same coverage for about half Allstate's price. When I brought this up with Allstate and pointed out that I had been a good customer for 40 years, them hemmed and hawed and dropped their price somewhat but nowhere near what other companies offered. So much for loyalty to the customer! I now have my policy with another company. Although I have no proof, I find it interesting that, at the time, I had just reached, by some measure, a milestone in life (i.e. do the math, 25 + 40). Could this be another instance of age discrimination? You be the judge. All that having been said, I hope it is not politically incorrect (;>)). I have my Tiger insurance through another carrier (one of those which specializes in older cars). The rates are much better than what you can get through the usual companies. My advice is to shop around. Tod B382002384LRXFE From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Sep 1 08:34:14 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:34:14 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Valve Covers In-Reply-To: <140638.94864.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000101c90c3f$d31065f0$52911840@ronpc1> The Poll question should be; which valve cover is the ID sticker on, right side or left side when sitting in the drivers seat looking forward at the engine? Since Tigers came in both LHD and RHD the question needs to be clear. My Tiger is LHD and the engine ID sticker is on the Left valve cover, the drivers side in this case. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Brandt Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 10:22 AM To: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Valve Covers My Tigers's valve cover reads engine 1104-G13KA (or GI3KA) for B9470099. Tom You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1645 - Release Date: 9/1/2008 7:19 AM From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Mon Sep 1 09:47:19 2008 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Duke Samouce) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:47:19 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Valve Covers In-Reply-To: <000101c90c3f$d31065f0$52911840@ronpc1> References: <140638.94864.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000101c90c3f$d31065f0$52911840@ronpc1> Message-ID: <000001c90c4a$04bdca70$0e395f50$@rr.com> I thinks these poll would be much better accomplished on a Forum that has a Poll option. TEAE has a forum that is very quiet and I am sure would like the traffic. http://teae.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6014#6014 Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 9:34 AM To: t-brandt at sbcglobal.net; Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Covers The Poll question should be; which valve cover is the ID sticker on, right side or left side when sitting in the drivers seat looking forward at the engine? Since Tigers came in both LHD and RHD the question needs to be clear. My Tiger is LHD and the engine ID sticker is on the Left valve cover, the drivers side in this case. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Brandt Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 10:22 AM To: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Valve Covers My Tigers's valve cover reads engine 1104-G13KA (or GI3KA) for B9470099. Tom You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1645 - Release Date: 9/1/2008 7:19 AM You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From achd73 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 1 10:15:37 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Subway Tiger promor reply- FYI In-Reply-To: <000a01c90be9$1555cd80$6a01a8c0@DELL4600> Message-ID: <529143.28610.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Steve- I think it ended Aug the 10th BUT if you read thier reply, they havent declared a winner yet and dont for 8-10 weeks after the contest ended- If I understand them correctly. Maybe it takes that long to figure out who they want to win. You would think the day the contest ended they would announce a winner almost within the following week. You would think that someone on the list or maybe even Norm, would hear from or about the winner. If there is one. No, I dont trust contest people. TtT From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Mon Sep 1 13:00:31 2008 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:00:31 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] ser #9472564 Message-ID: <005601c90c65$0208ef60$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> Listers, I once owned this car #9472564, it was around 1970-1971, I was going through some old car STUFF and I found the original service book, purchaced at Picard motors in RI, has service stamps from Long Island, I bought it from a guy in RI who said he was the original owner, I had no other record of the number so I thought this was neat....anyone out there own this car now?????? Clyde From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Mon Sep 1 13:00:48 2008 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:00:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: <005a01c90c65$0c5cfa60$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> From sralsten at ca.rr.com Mon Sep 1 16:15:40 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:15:40 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Valve Covers References: <000101c90c3f$d31065f0$52911840@ronpc1> Message-ID: <001301c90c80$4541d7e0$6a01a8c0@DELL4600> Mine is LHD with the tiny Ford sticker on the pass side valve cover front. I have an engine ID plate on the driver side rear. Steve B9473720 LROFE ----- Original Message ----- From: " Ron Fraser" To: ; Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Covers > The Poll question should be; which valve cover is the ID sticker on, right > side or left side when sitting in the drivers seat looking forward at the > engine? > > Since Tigers came in both LHD and RHD the question needs to be clear. > > My Tiger is LHD and the engine ID sticker is on the Left valve cover, the > drivers side in this case. > > > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Thomas Brandt > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 10:22 AM > To: Tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Valve Covers > > > My Tigers's valve cover reads engine 1104-G13KA (or GI3KA) for B9470099. > Tom > You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1645 - Release Date: 9/1/2008 > 7:19 AM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sralsten at ca.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From sralsten at ca.rr.com Mon Sep 1 16:17:20 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:17:20 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Subway Tiger promor reply- FYI References: <529143.28610.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001a01c90c80$80e3cdd0$6a01a8c0@DELL4600> So I still have a chance ?? Being a two Tiger family would be cool. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Somebody" To: ; "Steve Ralsten" Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Subway Tiger promor reply- FYI > Steve- I think it ended Aug the 10th BUT if you read thier reply, they > havent declared a winner yet and dont for 8-10 weeks after the contest > ended- If I understand them correctly. Maybe it takes that long to figure > out who they want to win. You would think the day the contest ended they > would announce a winner almost within the following week. You would think > that someone on the list or maybe even Norm, would hear from or about the > winner. If there is one. No, I dont trust contest people. TtT From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Sep 1 16:20:47 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:20:47 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Subway Tiger promor reply- FYI Message-ID: So I still have a chance ?? Possibly, if you have the right connections. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From sralsten at ca.rr.com Mon Sep 1 16:24:54 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:24:54 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Looking for Alpine 260 badge Message-ID: <002001c90c81$8f399580$6a01a8c0@DELL4600> I've put out feelers in a couple spots but not on this list. The car I purchased carries Alpine 260 fender badges but was missing the block SUNBEAM and the Alpine 260 badge from the boot. Today I replaced the letters. I would love to find one original Alpine 260 badge for the boot. Rick at SS said he could have one made for me but I sure would rather get one with the chromed letters rather than paint. Michael King may have a line on one, not sure yet. If anyone from this list has an extra I'd love to buy it. Thanks Steve From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 16:37:57 2008 From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:37:57 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Valve Covers In-Reply-To: <001301c90c80$4541d7e0$6a01a8c0@DELL4600> Message-ID: <48bc6ec7.8905be0a.2f13.35d6@mx.google.com> Mine (B382000217) is LHD and the ID tag is on the driver's side. The engine number is 4983-F21KA and the block is black. There is some kind of rectangular tag on the front end of the passenger side cover but there is nothing on it. Must of faded away a long time ago. Joe Brown -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jbbrown1980=gmail.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jbbrown1980=gmail.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Ralsten Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 5:16 PM To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; t-brandt at sbcglobal.net; Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Covers Mine is LHD with the tiny Ford sticker on the pass side valve cover front. I have an engine ID plate on the driver side rear. Steve B9473720 LROFE ----- Original Message ----- From: " Ron Fraser" To: ; Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve Covers > The Poll question should be; which valve cover is the ID sticker on, right > side or left side when sitting in the drivers seat looking forward at the > engine? > > Since Tigers came in both LHD and RHD the question needs to be clear. > > My Tiger is LHD and the engine ID sticker is on the Left valve cover, the > drivers side in this case. > > > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Thomas Brandt > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 10:22 AM > To: Tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Valve Covers > > > My Tigers's valve cover reads engine 1104-G13KA (or GI3KA) for B9470099. > Tom > You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.14/1645 - Release Date: 9/1/2008 > 7:19 AM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sralsten at ca.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as jbbrown1980 at gmail.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From sralsten at ca.rr.com Mon Sep 1 18:26:17 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:26:17 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] ser #9472564 References: <005601c90c65$0208ef60$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> Message-ID: <001001c90c92$84ab30e0$6a01a8c0@DELL4600> According to the Tiger registry online that car was in Saratoga Springs NY in 1989. Maybe it still is. If your intent was to give the current owner some documentation I imagine he would love it. Try writing Norm Miller at rootes1 at earthlink.net he may have contact info for the current owner Steve Ralsten B9473720 LROFE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 11:00 AM Subject: [Tigers] ser #9472564 > Listers, I once owned this car #9472564, it was around 1970-1971, I was > going through some old car STUFF and I found the original service book, > purchaced at Picard motors in RI, has service stamps from Long Island, I > bought it from a guy in RI who said he was the original owner, I had no > other > record of the number so I thought this was neat....anyone out there own > this > car now?????? Clyde > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sralsten at ca.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From spmdr at juno.com Tue Sep 2 09:00:02 2008 From: spmdr at juno.com (spmdr at juno.com) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:00:02 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Valve covers Message-ID: <20080902.080005.-2054005.2.spmdr@juno.com> I am the 3rd owner of a Tiger that came with a NON matching valve cover tag. The theory that it was swapped at a repair shop seems a bit of a long shot. How many other Tigers have miss matched valve cover tags? BTW ...on the right side... DW ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Click here to get a payday loan. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m3aOUUi2jtUCvOjehCJf2pT5j7BhpbtJxh3ZNKyyEoHKdmK/ From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Sep 2 09:42:22 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Gear and Tire Calculator Message-ID: <312011.22893.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I got some work done over the weekend and put of the gear and tire calculator. It is not 100% but seems to be working OK. This will allow you to calculate shift points and tire size information. Will also give RPM gear drop for shifts as well as tire dimensions. It may have a few glitches, but seems to work ok now. Hit the 'Sample' button to stuff all the fields with some 'sample' data then hit calculate. I will next add a graph to help visulize the data. You can cut and paste the data out of the exit box if you want to print (Notepad, Word, etc). To operate, just fill in the Gear, RPM, and Tire data. Note that you need only to fill in the transmission ratios the compound ratios (trans x rear) are calculated automaticall. Let me know if anyone finds anything or needs more data... This was modeled after the Window program GearCalc by Peter Odgen (http://www.locost7.info/gearcalc.php) that I use, but web based. Note at this time it does not support METRIC (KMH) but I can if anyone needs it. Enjoy. New Tire and Gear Tool http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/GearCalc.html For just the tire size tool http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/TireCalculator.html Sandy From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Tue Sep 2 13:13:38 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:13:38 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Gear and Tire Calculator In-Reply-To: <312011.22893.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <312011.22893.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48BD9062.9030002@SoCal.rr.com> Sandy, Thanks for the additional source information. However, TigersUnited.com has had the "Bob Hokanson Excel Transmission Calculator spread sheet (free Excel Reader) for over 7 years, now. It is preloaded with Tiger selectable transmission (I, IA, II, T-5 gears, rear end, and tire options, selectable alternates, RPM control, and 1 thru 5 selectable gear effect on rpm and speed. ALL parameters can also be customized. It is really a great tool, and can be used to graph results. Hokanson Gear-Speed automatic calculator (http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/HokansonGearSpeedXL/pt-HokansonGearSpeedXL.asp) Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Sandy Ganz wrote: > I got some work done over the weekend and put of the gear and tire calculator. > It is not 100% but seems to be working OK. This will allow you to calculate > shift points and tire size information. Will also give RPM gear drop for > shifts as well as tire dimensions. > It may have a few glitches, but seems to > work ok now. Hit the 'Sample' button to stuff all the fields with some > 'sample' data then hit calculate. I will next add a graph to help visulize the > data. You can cut and paste the data out of the exit box if you want to print > (Notepad, Word, etc). > To operate, just fill in the Gear, RPM, and Tire data. > Note that you need only to fill in the transmission ratios the compound ratios > (trans x rear) are calculated automaticall. > Let me know if anyone finds > anything or needs more data... > This was modeled after the Window program > GearCalc by Peter Odgen (http://www.locost7.info/gearcalc.php) that I use, > but web based. Note at this time it does not support METRIC (KMH) but I can if > anyone needs it. > Enjoy. > New Tire and Gear Tool > http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/GearCalc.html > For just the tire size tool > http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/TireCalculator.html > Sandy From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Sep 2 13:34:15 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Gear and Tire Calculator Message-ID: <485475.80321.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, but it requires Excel free or not more to download ;) Bob's tools doesn't give you an easy way to get a feel for the data unless you click a bunch of times (or save data to make an excel graph manually). I'm going to still need to add the graph for visualization of shift points and ratio-ness (close/wide), just didn't get to do it yet. Bob's tool is better for comparing transmission, but more cumbersome to use if that is not your main goal. Just something software wise to do. One thing that I definitely want to do is add a list of gear boxes and ratios, but that is down the line a bit. I think the sample data for the gear box was for the Top loader that I have, the rest was from the Mustang. Just stuff for fun in any case. One question was their something that should be customized that is not on the one I did? Any feed back is appreciated (on/off line is ok) Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Steve Laifman To: Sandy Ganz Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, September 2, 2008 12:13:38 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gear and Tire Calculator Sandy, Thanks for the additional source information. However, TigersUnited.com has had the "Bob Hokanson Excel Transmission Calculator spread sheet (free Excel Reader) for over 7 years, now. [snip] From crbernardino at mac.com Tue Sep 2 14:56:29 2008 From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:56:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 100 Ugliest Cars Message-ID: Thought you would like to see this. Rob http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2008/08/25/mfuglycars123.xml From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 15:01:30 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:01:30 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 100 Ugliest Cars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39a841b0809021401j1e5b12b7w1e96e24f8f2f73bf@mail.gmail.com> except the smart, the range rover and tatra t603 i completely agree. but where is the tiger? shame on you for posting non tiger related info! :) On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Rob Bernardino wrote: > Thought you would like to see this. > Rob > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2008/08/25/mfuglycars123.xml > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 15:13:57 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:13:57 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] source for the windscreen side trim Message-ID: <39a841b0809021413t3ebeada1ld315cf062f183b1a@mail.gmail.com> hello, i've just noticed from some pictures that there is meant to be some trim running down the side seams on the inside of the windscreen surround that continues along the edge of the dashboard. can anyone let me know where i can get this trim? thanks. From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 15:18:32 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:18:32 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] source for the windscreen side trim In-Reply-To: <39a841b0809021413t3ebeada1ld315cf062f183b1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <39a841b0809021413t3ebeada1ld315cf062f183b1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0809021418i143992n7ff02ad1be1a3a78@mail.gmail.com> a more detailed look at the sunbeam specialties website shows what i _think_ may be the piece i need as part number WS53. "WINDSHIELD FRAME TO DOOR WING WINDOW SEAL. REPRO WITH METAL STIFFENERS FOR RIGIDITY." On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > hello, > > i've just noticed from some pictures that there is meant to be some > trim running down the side seams on the inside of the windscreen > surround that continues along the edge of the dashboard. can anyone > let me know where i can get this trim? > > thanks. From drmayf at mayfco.com Tue Sep 2 15:50:14 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 14:50:14 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 100 Ugliest Cars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48BDB516.7000908@mayfco.com> Well, from my knot hole, they certainly got #1 correct! Lots fo Fords of various specie in there... mayf Rob Bernardino wrote: >Thought you would like to see this. >Rob > >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2008/08/25/mfuglycars123.xml >_______________________________________________ From sralsten at ca.rr.com Tue Sep 2 16:25:22 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:25:22 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 100 Ugliest Cars Message-ID: <15689353.861321220394323044.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> They missed a couple of my favorites, The "new" Couger of a couple years back. and the BMW Z4 which looks like a cross between a "new" couger and a Viking ship. Steve 9473720 ---- drmayf wrote: > Well, from my knot hole, they certainly got #1 correct! Lots fo Fords of > various specie in there... > > mayf > Rob Bernardino wrote: > > >Thought you would like to see this. > >Rob > > > >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2008/08/25/mfuglycars123.xml > >_______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sralsten at ca.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Tue Sep 2 17:07:34 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:07:34 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: FW: Test your reactions ... 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(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 20:42:23 2008 From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 21:42:23 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Valve covers In-Reply-To: <20080902.080005.-2054005.2.spmdr@juno.com> Message-ID: <48bdf991.0405be0a.7ad7.0fc8@mx.google.com> Can anyone point me to a photo of the small tag that is supposed to be on the passenger side valve cover? I have the engine ID tag on the driver's side and there is a small rectangular sticker toward the front of the cover on the passenger side. But it is blank or faded away. It is just a silver color that sort of matches the chrome valve cover. Joe -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jbbrown1980=gmail.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jbbrown1980=gmail.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spmdr at juno.com Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 10:00 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Valve covers I am the 3rd owner of a Tiger that came with a NON matching valve cover tag. The theory that it was swapped at a repair shop seems a bit of a long shot. How many other Tigers have miss matched valve cover tags? BTW ...on the right side... DW ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? 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From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Sep 3 08:14:18 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 10:14:18 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Valve Covers In-Reply-To: <000001c90c4a$04bdca70$0e395f50$@rr.com> Message-ID: <95E92329C9C240A898AEFA3077DAD2FC@ronpc1> Duke You may be right; however. 1 The Poll questions have moved the list back to Tiger Related information 2 The most appropriate place for the Poll would be Norm Miller's web site; if Norm is willing. 3 Trivia can be Fun 4 I got just a few more responses than the TE/AE Poll; kind of sad. More Trivia Didn't you just get Bob Mannel's Book on SBF engines? Appendix A - Engine Tags page A-6; the Ford application # on the aluminum engine tag for the Tiger 260 engine is 510. This # is not listed and Bob never ran across any information about that #; I don't know what that # is for the Tiger 289. I find these things interesting. Sorry if you do not. The delete key is always available. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Duke Samouce [mailto:wsamouce at kc.rr.com] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 11:47 AM To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; t-brandt at sbcglobal.net; Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Valve Covers I thinks these poll would be much better accomplished on a Forum that has a Poll option. TEAE has a forum that is very quiet and I am sure would like the traffic. http://teae.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6014#6014 Duke B382002037 From sralsten at ca.rr.com Wed Sep 3 10:23:56 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 12:23:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Valve covers Message-ID: <136149.939161220459036729.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web12-z02> Hardly a great picture but it was available online already. I'll try to get a better shot sometime this weekend. It's an oval with the FORD logo. http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/ENGINE%20FRM%20RT.jpg Steve From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Sep 3 10:43:45 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 12:43:45 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Valve covers Message-ID: My #0001369 has the metal spec. plate on the passenger side and the same Ford oval on the driver side. mark **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Wed Sep 3 11:15:19 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:15:19 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Valve covers Message-ID: I got to get a new camera. This is a pic of L valve cover on 382002560. It reads (top L) Product of, Ford Oval, Motor Company(lower right). On this car the ID tag is on right. Block is black. HTH In a message dated 9/2/2008 8:02:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jbbrown1980 at gmail.com writes: Can anyone point me to a photo of the small tag that is supposed to be on the passenger side valve cover? I have the engine ID tag on the driver's side and there is a small rectangular sticker toward the front of the cover on the passenger side. But it is blank or faded away. It is just a silver color that sort of matches the chrome valve cover. Joe -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jbbrown1980=gmail.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jbbrown1980=gmail.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spmdr at juno.com Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 10:00 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Valve covers I am the 3rd owner of a Tiger that came with a NON matching valve cover tag. The theory that it was swapped at a repair shop seems a bit of a long shot. How many other Tigers have miss matched valve cover tags? BTW ...on the right side... DW ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Click here to get a payday loan. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m3aOUUi2jtUCvOjehCJf2pT5j 7BhpbtJxh3ZNKyyEoHKdmK/ You are subscribed as jbbrown1980 at gmail.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as aaaglasss at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 000_0596.JPG] From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Wed Sep 3 11:27:38 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:27:38 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Valve covers Message-ID: One more time. In a message dated 9/3/2008 10:18:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, AAAGLASSS at aol.com writes: I got to get a new camera. This is a pic of L valve cover on 382002560. It reads (top L) Product of, Ford Oval, Motor Company(lower right). On this car the ID tag is on right. Block is black. HTH In a message dated 9/2/2008 8:02:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jbbrown1980 at gmail.com writes: Can anyone point me to a photo of the small tag that is supposed to be on the passenger side valve cover? I have the engine ID tag on the driver's side and there is a small rectangular sticker toward the front of the cover on the passenger side. But it is blank or faded away. It is just a silver color that sort of matches the chrome valve cover. Joe -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jbbrown1980=gmail.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jbbrown1980=gmail.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spmdr at juno.com Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 10:00 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Valve covers I am the 3rd owner of a Tiger that came with a NON matching valve cover tag. The theory that it was swapped at a repair shop seems a bit of a long shot. How many other Tigers have miss matched valve cover tags? BTW ...on the right side... DW ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? 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(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 000_0596.JPG] From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 3 11:36:11 2008 From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 10:36:11 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Tigers] LAST CALL - BRISBANE MARINA BRITISH CAR MEET - Sept. 6 & 7, 2008 Message-ID: <13419006.1220463371785.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> WEBSITE: www.allcarcentral.com/thebritishcarnetwork.html THE BRISBANE MARINA BRITISH CAR MEET * 2008 The Weekend Of Saturday & Sunday * Sept. 6th & 7th Join your British car friends for a smashing day at the Brisbane Marina at Sierra Point. Over 300 quirky, classic, and lovable British cars will once again gather in the Bay Area for our 31st Annual British Car Meet. Don't have a show car? Don't worry! Daily drivers, vintage racers, street rods and works-in-progress are as welcome as Concours quality show cars. This is essentially the old Palo Alto British Meet in a new location. We are also expecting another great display of automotive oddities provided by the Arcane Auto Society. Spectators attend and park for free. SUNDAY SHOW - BRISBANE MARINA - SEPTEMBER 7th Cars will be placed at 9:00AM and the fun goes on all day. The food will be handled by the Brisbane Lions Club and the Sierra Point Yacht Club will open their doors on Sunday for a reasonable, sit-down breakfast Herb Gibson's Jazz Orchestra will be back again, set up just outside the Yacht Club. There is no preregistration. There will be marque awards in over 15 classes and all entrants will receive a commemorative gift. The registration fee is $25 per car at the gate. SATURDAY TOUR - SEPTEMBER 6th The British Car Meet TOUR TO THE SEA starts at the Brisbane Marina boathouse (the same place as the Sunday Car Show) and winds through the hills to the sea. Itbs no-cost option for people who like to drive their cars as well as show them. We will be sending cars off between 9:00AM and 10:30AM. A detailed map will be provided. The tour ends at Cameron's Pub in Half Moon Bay where we will be kicking tyres and telling tall tales in the car park well into the afternoon. Call for information: 310-392-6605 e-mail: DIRECTIONS: The Brisbane Marina is located just east of the Bayshore Freeway (101) between San Francisco and the SF Airport/Highway 380. Just take the Brisbane/Sierra Point Exit and follow the signs to the Marina. Trailer parking will be available on-site. LODGING ALTERNATIVES: BEST DEAL! Right at the Brisbane Marina. The Radisson, very upscale, business type hotel with gourmet restaurant. We have special British Car Meet rate of $109 per night, Friday, Saturday or Sunday. Address, 5000 Sierra Point Parkway, Brisbane, phone 415-467-4400. Ask for the British Car eet rates. From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Sep 3 12:48:32 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:48:32 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Valve Covers (polling) References: <95E92329C9C240A898AEFA3077DAD2FC@ronpc1> Message-ID: <008d01c90df5$aa747fc0$0302a8c0@student2> Regarding items 1-4 on the valve cover poll (too large to include) and >>>I find these things interesting.<<< I agree with Ron on all accounts. Duke, I'm not suggesting the Forum idea was bad, only that the list is also appropriate. The difficulty with a forum is someone needs to set up the question and monitor it. Thus, you have to ask (in many cases trouble) the forum moderator, and they have to agree. For what it's worth a few years back we got on the subject of the age of Tiger owners. I offered to "poll" the information (some came private, others in the general list) and got well over 100 responses. So, it can be effective. Therefore, as it relates to the Tiger list I think: Best - Tiger associated discussion. Acceptable - Automotive issues that can be Tiger related. Tolerable - Discussion by a frequent member about a non-Tiger vehicle that has them pulling their hair out and is seeking general advice. Delete~Able - Discussion that goes way off "Tigers". Maybe for me it is like my mother in law. Rather than getting upset at the antics I take the approach of "how far can you go to amuse me." Thus, there is a smile on my face as I hit the delete key. The further out it goes, the bigger my smile. Lastly if I give a reply, it is almost always to the list. I'd rather have someone correct my possible error than mislead someone by my mistake in a private message. At times I get the impression some feel the list exists for the purpose of not being needed. That being people (often new) are told to search first, - then ask. Or they hear, "we have gone over this before." I'd rather hear the "Panasport" question asked 1000 times than see a lack of "community" on the list. I'm sorry to ramble on (and yikes - get off subject). I realize there needs to be limits, but also understanding. Eight years here has shown me that off topic subjects die out and those that might be called trouble-makers drift off. Smile, Delete..., smile, delete... . Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.15/1649 - Release Date: 9/3/2008 7:15 AM From sralsten at ca.rr.com Wed Sep 3 17:34:30 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:34:30 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Test Message-ID: <5698777.840991220484871093.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web28-z02> I got this test. Steve ---- Joe Brown wrote: > I'm not sure my emails are getting through. From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Wed Sep 3 18:06:30 2008 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:06:30 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] engine numbers on valve c0vers Message-ID: <000a01c90e22$15b30320$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> Hi Listers, I haven't paid that much attention to the latest conversation about valve covers because my car has cast TIGER covers, but I just dug out a chrome cover that came with my car in a box of spare/old parts,,,I don't think it went with my car though, is the number under the SO# space supossed to reflect the last four numbers in the car's number??? It was a rs cover and the SO# was 2632, my car number is 1173....I have put the cover on the garage wall as decoration, Clyde, 382001173 From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 18:45:03 2008 From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:45:03 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Valve covers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <48bf2f91.11112c0a.513a.ffff8356@mx.google.com> Thanks for all of the replies (and photos)about my question regarding the small Ford tag. I'm getting a little confused about the placement of the two different tags though. Some folks are saying the metalized tag with the engine number on it should be on the driver's side valve cover toward the back, and others are saying it should be toward the front on the passenger side. I'm referring here to a LHD car. I have a the Book of Norman and he says on page 143 that the "Rootes Ltd" or "Sunbeam Ltd" tag with the engine number was affixed to the left rear cover. The "Product of Ford Motor Company" decal is on the front right cover. He goes on to say that "later cars used only the "Sunbeam Ltd" decal which was positioned to the right front cover" and "Product of Ford Motor Company decal on rear left cover". So, at some point the positions of the two tags were reversed. Has someone been keeping track of all of the replies to try and figure out when the switch was made? Thanks, Joe Brown B382000217 -----Original Message----- From: Ross [mailto:ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 1:20 AM To: 'Joe Brown' Subject: RE: [Tigers] Valve covers Hi Joe, Here is a picture of the label on a valve cover. This is the original label for my car. Also, on the list some are saying that the label is on the left bank toward the rear. The covers can be placed on either side they are interchangable. If the label cover is placed on the left bank the label will be toward the firewall and appear to be correct. However, the stock position is on the right bank with the label forward. I am surprised that most of these guys don't realize their valve covers are switched. :0 Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse P.S. Your emails are getting through. Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve covers Can anyone point me to a photo of the small tag that is supposed to be on the passenger side valve cover? I have the engine ID tag on the driver's side and there is a small rectangular sticker toward the front of the cover on the passenger side. But it is blank or faded away. It is just a silver color that sort of matches the chrome valve cover. Joe From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Wed Sep 3 19:05:11 2008 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Duke Samouce) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:05:11 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 260 engine tag and the 510 designation In-Reply-To: <95E92329C9C240A898AEFA3077DAD2FC@ronpc1> References: <000001c90c4a$04bdca70$0e395f50$@rr.com> <95E92329C9C240A898AEFA3077DAD2FC@ronpc1> Message-ID: <000a01c90e2a$48b92bc0$da2b8340$@rr.com> Hey Ron, Here is a tag I bought on Ebay that claimed to come from a Tiger 260. I did not believe it but bought the tag due to the 260 scarcity these days. I was wondering about the 510-J on it that I could not find anywhere in the Mannel book. Thanks so much for confirming that I have a real-deal Tiger 260 engine tag which will go on my 260 engine. Here is a link to a picture - http://e28-535i.com/upload/260tag.jpg I found it very interesting that a 260 had a 1966 date code. I did not know they made the 260 in 1966. Here is a question, where would one attach this tag on the F4B manifold? Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 9:14 AM To: 'Duke Samouce'; t-brandt at sbcglobal.net; Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Valve Covers Didn't you just get Bob Mannel's Book on SBF engines? Appendix A - Engine Tags page A-6; the Ford application # on the aluminum engine tag for the Tiger 260 engine is 510. This # is not listed and Bob never ran across any information about that #; I don't know what that # is for the Tiger 289. I find these things interesting. Sorry if you do not. The delete key is always available. Ron Fraser From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Wed Sep 3 19:07:39 2008 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Duke Samouce) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:07:39 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] engine numbers on valve c0vers In-Reply-To: <000a01c90e22$15b30320$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> References: <000a01c90e22$15b30320$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> Message-ID: <001101c90e2a$a0bbb040$e23310c0$@rr.com> You can find the correct engine number on your VIN tag. That engine number should match the one on the valve cover. Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Clyde McLaughlin Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 7:07 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] engine numbers on valve c0vers Hi Listers, I haven't paid that much attention to the latest conversation about valve covers because my car has cast TIGER covers, but I just dug out a chrome cover that came with my car in a box of spare/old parts,,,I don't think it went with my car though, is the number under the SO# space supossed to reflect the last four numbers in the car's number??? It was a rs cover and the SO# was 2632, my car number is 1173....I have put the cover on the garage wall as decoration, Clyde, 382001173 You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Sep 3 20:42:04 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:42:04 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 260 engine tag and the 510 designation In-Reply-To: <000a01c90e2a$48b92bc0$da2b8340$@rr.com> Message-ID: <420BE66C7DC049ECA06B5A6B217F60A9@ronpc1> Duke That is a very nice engine Tag. My Tag is corroded with only part of the 6 and all the 0 of 260 visible. The build date on your Tag is 5 - K, Oct 1965 and 66 for the model year, my Tag Date is Jan 1965, model year 65. I believe Ford Industrial Division assembled 260 engines for some time but I have no information about when the last 260 engine was built. Ford attached it under the bolt that held the coil when they moved the coil to the front of the head. You could probably place it under any available bolt in that area; not that it really matters if you attach it at all. It's your Tiger; place it where you like it best. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Duke Samouce [mailto:wsamouce at kc.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 9:05 PM To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; t-brandt at sbcglobal.net; Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: 260 engine tag and the 510 designation Hey Ron, Here is a tag I bought on Ebay that claimed to come from a Tiger 260. I did not believe it but bought the tag due to the 260 scarcity these days. I was wondering about the 510-J on it that I could not find anywhere in the Mannel book. Thanks so much for confirming that I have a real-deal Tiger 260 engine tag which will go on my 260 engine. Here is a link to a picture - http://e28-535i.com/upload/260tag.jpg I found it very interesting that a 260 had a 1966 date code. I did not know they made the 260 in 1966. Here is a question, where would one attach this tag on the F4B manifold? Duke B382002037 From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Sep 3 23:18:22 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 01:18:22 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] bulb question and a little warning In-Reply-To: <39a841b0808311002j706667fpb28d9d9fdf5d4dc1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Owain This is an interesting subject that is worth looking at; what are today's corresponding bulb numbers for our lights. I don't have a complete list of replacement bulbs for myself and this is something which all of us need handy. Here is the list from the Shop Manual; General Data page 21. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsm21.asp LIGHTING System ... ... ... ... Earth return Type - Headlamp ... ... ... ... F.700 (Mk. X) -Side and front flasher ... ... ... ... L.722 -Stop, tail, rear flasher ... ... ... ... L.642 -Rear number plate ... ... ... ... L.532 ... ... ... ... LIGHT UNITS AND LAMP BULBS ... ... ... ... Head - R.H.D. and North America ... ... ... ... Sealed beam unit -L.H.D. ... ... ... ... Bulb - L.410 45/40W. Side... ... ... ... L.501 5W. (capless) Front and rear flasher ... ... ... ... L.382 21W. Stop/tail ... ... ... ... L.380 21/6W. Rear number plate ... ... ... ... L.989 6W. or L.501 5W. (capless) Interior lamp (if fitted) ... ... ... ... L.254 6W. (festoon) Map lamp ... ... ... ... L.254 6W. (festoon) Tachometer ... ... ... ... L.987 2.2W. Instrument illumination ... ... ... ... L.987 2.2W. Warning lamps ... ... ... ... Phillips 12829 2W. This web page has a bulb identifier section with bulb dimensions. http://www.sylvania.com/ConsumerProducts/AutomotiveLighting/ECatalog/ This web page has a lamp replacement guide by vehicle; Sunbeam is listed but no bulb information pops up. http://www.sylvania.com/ConsumerProducts/AutomotiveLighting/LampReplacementG uide/ I think I found a great web site for this; http://www.donsbulbs.com/cgi-bin/r/t.pl Enter 501 for L.501 into the bulb search, enter, click 501 Lucas on the list and all the dimensions of the bulb and details pop also some possible replacement bulb and equivalent numbers by Brand Name. No matter where you live you should be able to recognize a brand and number. Now try the rest of the numbers and make your own list. You can also compare L.382 to a 1156 or an L.380 to a 1157. Here is the warning lamp http://bulbster.com/lightbulbs/a1272-p-2981.html Here is a UK site that lists the bulbs a BSN numbers. http://www.lamps2udirect.com/pages/browse-More-Lamps2udirect.php/Automotive_ -_Car_Bulbs/Sidelight/103/7/ Enjoy Ron Fraser From rootes1 at earthlink.net Thu Sep 4 00:11:37 2008 From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:11:37 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 260 engine tag and the 510 designation In-Reply-To: <420BE66C7DC049ECA06B5A6B217F60A9@ronpc1> References: <000a01c90e2a$48b92bc0$da2b8340$@rr.com> <420BE66C7DC049ECA06B5A6B217F60A9@ronpc1> Message-ID: Ron, Just a quick note. Since you seem to be into this stuff. The Ford Industrial Diversion of Ford had nothing to do with producing Sunbeam Tiger engines. Any dealings with customers outside of normal Ford production was funneled through their "Industrial" division. The purpose was simple. Records needed to represent fulfillment of contracts. Ford and Humber Motors ltd. had a contract for 10,000 engines and transmission. All of the Tiger engines were pulled from Ford's Detroit small-block assembly line. Details covering power plants, gearboxes - and various "ship loose" items are chronicled in documents that will be included in my slowly developing second volume on the Sunbeam Tiger. I must admit to not being in too much of a hurry to finish "book two", but it is taking shape sortaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. ncm ..snip..I believe Ford Industrial Division assembled 260 engines for some time but I >have no information about when the last 260 engine was built...snip.. [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1650 - Release Date: 9/3/2008 4:13 PM From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Sep 4 06:09:27 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:09:27 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 260 engine tag and the 510 designation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8E09DD06927F4F528F815EA618DCC6D4@ronpc1> Thank You Norm. Being an engineer type; I sometimes get extremely fascinated with the minor details. Many of these details are slipping away as time goes on and as Tigers pass to new owners. I glad you are on the List, watching for any mis-speaks we might put forward. Do you have any information about when the last 260 engine was built? Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Norman C. Miller Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 2:12 AM To: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 engine tag and the 510 designation Ron, Just a quick note. Since you seem to be into this stuff. The Ford Industrial Diversion of Ford had nothing to do with producing Sunbeam Tiger engines. Any dealings with customers outside of normal Ford production was funneled through their "Industrial" division. The purpose was simple. Records needed to represent fulfillment of contracts. Ford and Humber Motors ltd. had a contract for 10,000 engines and transmission. All of the Tiger engines were pulled from Ford's Detroit small-block assembly line. Details covering power plants, gearboxes - and various "ship loose" items are chronicled in documents that will be included in my slowly developing second volume on the Sunbeam Tiger. I must admit to not being in too much of a hurry to finish "book two", but it is taking shape sortaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. ncm ..snip..I believe Ford Industrial Division assembled 260 engines for some time but I >have no information about when the last 260 engine was built...snip.. [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1650 - Release Date: 9/3/2008 4:13 PM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1650 - Release Date: 9/3/2008 4:13 PM From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Sep 4 06:30:09 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:30:09 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Valve covers In-Reply-To: <48bf2f91.11112c0a.513a.ffff8356@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <430BD027F86B4CB7B2B8FC207B09205E@ronpc1> Joe Welcome to the little details that are Tiger and Sunbeam. The response to the Poll is way to low; you would need everyone to respond and then there would still be gaps for the wrecked Tigers that are no longer available. Therefore the accuracy of when the change happened would be in doubt. In response to Ross Hulse about switching the valve covers;" I am surprised that most of these guys don't realize their valve covers are switched. :0" He is not correct when it comes to stock original Ford valve covers. My left valve cover has a big breather tube at the front and the right valve cover has a port at the rear for the PCV valve. Yes you can physically switch the covers but the hose plumbing would be a real messy looking deal and defiantly not stock. Basically it is your car; do the details the way you like best. I guarantee the Sunbeam community is more interested in seeing that Tiger on the road then picking at the little details. Ron Fraser --------------- Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 8:45 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve covers I'm getting a little confused about the placement of the two different tags though. Some folks are saying the metalized tag with the engine number on it should be on the driver's side valve cover toward the back, and others are saying it should be toward the front on the passenger side. I'm referring here to a LHD car. --------------------------- So, at some point the positions of the two tags were reversed. Has someone been keeping track of all of the replies to try and figure out when the switch was made? Thanks, Joe Brown B382000217 --------- To: 'Joe Brown' Subject: RE: [Tigers] Valve covers ---------------------- Also, on the list some are saying that the label is on the left bank toward the rear. The covers can be placed on either side they are interchangable. If the label cover is placed on the left bank the label will be toward the firewall and appear to be correct. However, the stock position is on the right bank with the label forward. I am surprised that most of these guys don't realize their valve covers are switched. :0 Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse From atwittsend at verizon.net Thu Sep 4 09:16:05 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 08:16:05 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 260 engine tag and the 510 designation References: <000a01c90e2a$48b92bc0$da2b8340$@rr.com> <420BE66C7DC049ECA06B5A6B217F60A9@ronpc1> Message-ID: <006501c90ea1$2757f890$0302a8c0@student2> >>>my slowly developing second volume on the Sunbeam Tiger.<<< >>>"book two", but it is taking shape <<< And thousands of Tiger owners smile a happy smile! Could I recommend "buy early and buy often" (when it comes out). ;-) [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1651 - Release Date: 9/4/2008 6:57 AM From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Sep 4 09:47:43 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:47:43 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] bulb question and a little warning Message-ID: <22CC01222A03480EA0DCB8910E0951D1@ronpc1> Here is the list of bulb replacements I put together for myself. I have also included some of the bulb designation terms. There are other possibilities including LED and other types. Feel free to make your own list and make additions. Tiger Light Bulb Replacement Guide, USA Side L.501 5W Wedge, Globe- 14.8mm x 25.6mm, base, W2.1x9.5d 194 - 3.78W Flasher L.382, 21W, BA15s, S8, Bayonet 1073 - 23W 1141 - 18.4W 1156 - 26.9W Stop/ Tail L.380, 21W/ 6W, BAY15d, S8, Bayonet 1157 - 27W/ 8W License plate L.989, 6W BA9s, Globe 1816 - T3.25, 4.29W 1891 - T3.25, 3.36W 1895 - G4.5, 3.78W 53 - G3.5, 1.73W 57 - G4.5, 3.4W Map & Interior L.254, 5W, Festoon, SV8.5-8, 37mm x 11mm 6418 - 5W, Festoon Back up L.382 1156 I use 50W halogen lamps here Instrument L.987, 2.2W, E10, G3.5, screw base 1446 - 2.4W, E10, G3.5 Warning lamps Philips 12829, 2W, BA7s, T2, midget bayonet 1272 Stanley - 2W, BA7s, T2 Eiko - a 1272 48006 This bulb is listed under motorcycles/ ATV/ snowmobiles. Ron Fraser From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 4 10:15:32 2008 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:15:32 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Engine build dates Message-ID: <001a01c90ea9$75140d00$6401a8c0@your03667082de> "The build date on your Tag is 5 - K, Oct 1965 and 66 for the model year, my Tag Date is Jan 1965, model year 65." Shouldn't that build date match the build date stamped on engine block located near the water pump? According to the BON my car's build date is 10/64 and the stamped engine assemble date is 5A18F which translates to January 1965. So someone swapped the engine out and replaced it. Jeff From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Sep 4 11:19:43 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:19:43 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Engine build dates In-Reply-To: <001a01c90ea9$75140d00$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: <7972229143D5495DBCA2F7C5C88A9C3B@ronpc1> Jeff My engine build date is 2 days before yours, Jan 16,1965 with a Tag date of Jan 1965; my Tiger's build date is Aug 1965. So in my case the engine build date matches the date on the aluminum engine Tag; then the engine was stored in the parts bin until August when it was placed into my Tiger. It is possible that there was a production problem and your Tiger received the 65 engine or there was a problem with the first engine and it had to be replace with a 2nd engine on the line. If you look a TBON you will note that there are only a couple of Tigers built in Nov of 1964; possible strike or production problem, Holidays, Plant shut down??? Could be a number of reasons. You could ask Norm if he has any details. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 12:16 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Engine build dates "The build date on your Tag is 5 - K, Oct 1965 and 66 for the model year, my Tag Date is Jan 1965, model year 65." Shouldn't that build date match the build date stamped on engine block located near the water pump? According to the BON my car's build date is 10/64 and the stamped engine assemble date is 5A18F which translates to January 1965. So someone swapped the engine out and replaced it. Jeff You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1651 - Release Date: 9/4/2008 6:57 AM From sralsten at ca.rr.com Thu Sep 4 11:48:49 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:48:49 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Engine build dates Message-ID: <32421864.584401220550529727.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web04-z02> I've never seen that tag in the picture Duke supplied. Where is the tag ? I've been told my engine is a 260 but the block was swapped many years ago in a rebuild. Heads are supposed to be original. Steve B9473720 ---- Ron Fraser wrote: > Jeff > My engine build date is 2 days before yours, Jan 16,1965 with a Tag > date of Jan 1965; my Tiger's build date is Aug 1965. So in my case the > engine build date matches the date on the aluminum engine Tag; then the > engine was stored in the parts bin until August when it was placed into my > Tiger. > > It is possible that there was a production problem and your Tiger received > the 65 engine or there was a problem with the first engine and it had to be > replace with a 2nd engine on the line. > > If you look a TBON you will note that there are only a couple of Tigers > built in Nov of 1964; possible strike or production problem, Holidays, Plant > shut down??? Could be a number of reasons. You could ask Norm if he has > any details. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Jeffrey Nichols > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 12:16 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Engine build dates > > > "The build date on your Tag is 5 - K, Oct 1965 and 66 for the model year, my > Tag Date is Jan 1965, model year 65." > > > Shouldn't that build date match the build date stamped on engine block > located > near the water pump? According to the BON my car's build date is 10/64 > and > the stamped engine assemble date is 5A18F which translates to January 1965. > So someone swapped the engine out and replaced it. > > > > > > Jeff > You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1651 - Release Date: 9/4/2008 > 6:57 AM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sralsten at ca.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From dickbarker at earthlink.net Thu Sep 4 14:31:13 2008 From: dickbarker at earthlink.net (Dick Barker) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:31:13 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Open for Inspection (was Valve Covers) Message-ID: At 11:00 AM 9/4/2008, Ron Fraser wrote: >...snip...I am surprised that most of these guys don't realize their >valve covers are switched. :0" ...snip...Yes you can physically >switch the covers but the hose plumbing would be a real messy >looking deal and defiantly not stock. ---------- Spotted at Tiger concours events: Note that forward ends of covers have been machined to clear spark plug wires :) What a lot of work! http://www.geocities.com/bobs_diehl/nubackwards.jpg Dick From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 4 15:59:17 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] One wire alt. problem Message-ID: <253737.60538.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Recently Ron F.( I think ) posted a drawing to show how he wired his Tiger when he installed a one wire alternator. His alt. also had a small wire that went to the idiot light. Mine doesn't. I can make the system charge but the light wont go off when the key is turned off. I don't have any wires terminated permanently. The way it is working is by connecting the wires going to the middle set of points on the voltage reg. the system charges and the idiot light does go out BUT when I turn the ignition off the light comes back on- making me have to open the closed circuit that gets things charging. I emailed Steve Laiffman as I remember there where other resolutions on the TU website but I couldn't locate the article and Steve replied it was lost in cyber space as he too was unable to locate it and you know how good he is at using the search function. Any help would be appreciated. regards, TonytheTiger From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Thu Sep 4 16:29:47 2008 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Duke Samouce) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:29:47 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Engine build dates In-Reply-To: <001a01c90ea9$75140d00$6401a8c0@your03667082de> References: <001a01c90ea9$75140d00$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: <000001c90edd$bce1dd90$36a598b0$@rr.com> How is this for good stuff? The engine assemble date stamped on my engine is 5K14M which is 14 October 1965 which matches nicely the engine tag I bought (5-K). Looks like I indeed do have the original engine still with the car. It is all coming together nicely. Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 11:16 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Engine build dates "The build date on your Tag is 5 - K, Oct 1965 and 66 for the model year, my Tag Date is Jan 1965, model year 65." Shouldn't that build date match the build date stamped on engine block located near the water pump? According to the BON my car's build date is 10/64 and the stamped engine assemble date is 5A18F which translates to January 1965. So someone swapped the engine out and replaced it. Jeff You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tiger at missiongranite.com Thu Sep 4 16:49:22 2008 From: tiger at missiongranite.com (Alan Zeni) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:49:22 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Valve train geometry help Message-ID: <00f001c90ee0$79309520$43f9d648@mgserver> I was wondering if anyone else has run into this issue - I had my heads rebuilt and had larger intakes put in. Late model valves were used. These valves have a longer tip above the retainer. Now, taking both measurements from a catalog and micing the two style valves, there seems to be about a .154 difference in length. With the 1.6 ratio roller rockers that I am using, it seems to me that if I take the tip difference and divide by the ratio (.09625), I could install pushrods that are .1 shorter and eliminate all of the issues with grinding down the tips. Do my calc's sound kosher? From JParent4 at tampabay.rr.com Thu Sep 4 16:57:08 2008 From: JParent4 at tampabay.rr.com (Jim Parent) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:57:08 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Valve train geometry help In-Reply-To: <00f001c90ee0$79309520$43f9d648@mgserver> References: <00f001c90ee0$79309520$43f9d648@mgserver> Message-ID: <000901c90ee1$91df49d0$c200a8c0@T60> I don't think so. Kosher means ritually correct, according to Halachic dietary laws. Subject: [Tigers] Valve train geometry help Do my calc's sound kosher? Jim From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 4 17:01:52 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Valve train geometry help In-Reply-To: <00f001c90ee0$79309520$43f9d648@mgserver> Message-ID: <555153.21434.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Alan- do you have solid or hydrulic lifters? Also the guy doing the head work should have taken care to make the valve stems the same length. Maybe someone knows for sure if the hyd. lifter will allow for the legth. You have some adjustmet on the roller rockers as well. Good luck, TtT --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Alan Zeni wrote: > From: Alan Zeni > Subject: [Tigers] Valve train geometry help > To: "tiger" > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 5:49 PM > I was wondering if anyone else has run into this issue - I > had my heads > rebuilt and had larger intakes put in. Late model valves > were used. These > valves have a longer tip above the retainer. Now, taking > both measurements > from a catalog and micing the two style valves, there seems > to be about a .154 > difference in length. With the 1.6 ratio roller rockers > that I am using, it > seems to me that if I take the tip difference and divide by > the ratio > (.09625), I could install pushrods that are .1 shorter and > eliminate all of > the issues with grinding down the tips. Do my calc's > sound kosher? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as achd73 at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From rtscolgan at yahoo.com Thu Sep 4 17:03:54 2008 From: rtscolgan at yahoo.com (Russ and Tammy C.) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:03:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Bellhousing Message-ID: <742116.68393.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I am in need of a 6 bolt bellhousing for the top loader 4 speed. Where do I look and/or does anyone have one to sell? Thanks, Russ From Drmoonstone at aol.com Thu Sep 4 17:08:31 2008 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:08:31 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure Message-ID: A look at the oil filter on a TR4 will reveal a similar but factory feature. It's been awhile but this might be adaptable for other uses. Moonstone ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Sep 4 17:11:04 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:11:04 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Valve train geometry help Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F278@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Only if the new valve seats put the face of the valve in the same place... You might want to check that. Best plan is to set up a pair of valves with some light springs and adjustable pushrods, and then determine the optimum pushrod length that centers the roller travel on the valve tip. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alan Zeni Sent: September 4, 2008 4:49 PM To: tiger Subject: [Tigers] Valve train geometry help I was wondering if anyone else has run into this issue - I had my heads rebuilt and had larger intakes put in. Late model valves were used. These valves have a longer tip above the retainer. Now, taking both measurements from a catalog and micing the two style valves, there seems to be about a .154 difference in length. With the 1.6 ratio roller rockers that I am using, it seems to me that if I take the tip difference and divide by the ratio (.09625), I could install pushrods that are .1 shorter and eliminate all of the issues with grinding down the tips. Do my calc's sound kosher? You are subscribed as theo.smit at dynastream.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 17:15:54 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:15:54 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Bellhousing In-Reply-To: <742116.68393.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <742116.68393.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0809041615p7c8eb473l4c7a360ae30c9bf7@mail.gmail.com> http://www.quicktimeinc.com/products.html On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Russ and Tammy C. wrote: > I am in need of a 6 bolt bellhousing for the top loader 4 speed. Where do I > look and/or does anyone have one to sell? > > Thanks, Russ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From sganz at pacbell.net Thu Sep 4 17:16:16 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:16:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Valve train geometry help Message-ID: <992243.84391.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Go to this page and check out the process, very well outlined. Who is to say the orig pushrods were correct? If the heads were milled, different cam base circle, etc. It's nice to have a checking spring and adjustable pushrod it makes it a lot easier. Check out the article, very informative... http://www.compcams.com/information/Products/Pushrods/ HTH Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Alan Zeni To: tiger Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 3:49:22 PM Subject: [Tigers] Valve train geometry help I was wondering if anyone else has run into this issue - I had my heads rebuilt and had larger intakes put in. Late model valves were used. These valves have a longer tip above the retainer. Now, taking both measurements from a catalog and micing the two style valves, there seems to be about a .154 difference in length. With the 1.6 ratio roller rockers that I am using, it seems to me that if I take the tip difference and divide by the ratio (.09625), I could install pushrods that are .1 shorter and eliminate all of the issues with grinding down the tips. Do my calc's sound kosher? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Thu Sep 4 17:17:46 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:17:46 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Bellhousing Message-ID: _http://www.teae.org/forum/_ (http://www.teae.org/forum/) _http://tigerbits.org/_ (http://tigerbits.org/) E-BAY, CRAIGS LIST In a message dated 9/4/2008 4:07:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rtscolgan at yahoo.com writes: **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From sganz at pacbell.net Thu Sep 4 17:18:44 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:18:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Valve train geometry help Message-ID: <619921.20162.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On some heads the norm is to use the Chevy valves which have a longer stem, usually means longer pushrods to keep the geometry right. Go through the comp cam exercise will get you the info you need to properly size the pushrod. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Tony Somebody To: tiger ; Alan Zeni Sent: Thursday, September 4, 2008 4:01:52 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve train geometry help Alan- do you have solid or hydrulic lifters? Also the guy doing the head work should have taken care to make the valve stems the same length. Maybe someone knows for sure if the hyd. lifter will allow for the legth. You have some adjustmet on the roller rockers as well. Good luck, TtT --- On Thu, 9/4/08, Alan Zeni wrote: > From: Alan Zeni > Subject: [Tigers] Valve train geometry help > To: "tiger" > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 5:49 PM > I was wondering if anyone else has run into this issue - I > had my heads > rebuilt and had larger intakes put in. Late model valves > were used. These > valves have a longer tip above the retainer. Now, taking > both measurements > from a catalog and micing the two style valves, there seems > to be about a .154 > difference in length. With the 1.6 ratio roller rockers > that I am using, it > seems to me that if I take the tip difference and divide by > the ratio > (.09625), I could install pushrods that are .1 shorter and > eliminate all of > the issues with grinding down the tips. Do my calc's > sound kosher? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as achd73 at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 17:24:01 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:24:01 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Bellhousing In-Reply-To: <39a841b0809041615p7c8eb473l4c7a360ae30c9bf7@mail.gmail.com> References: <742116.68393.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <39a841b0809041615p7c8eb473l4c7a360ae30c9bf7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0809041624k71968cc1qd611791970617f70@mail.gmail.com> (the quicktime part number is RM-6063 and it costs $440) On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > http://www.quicktimeinc.com/products.html > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Russ and Tammy C. wrote: >> I am in need of a 6 bolt bellhousing for the top loader 4 speed. Where do I >> look and/or does anyone have one to sell? >> >> Thanks, Russ >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 17:32:33 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:32:33 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Bellhousing In-Reply-To: <39a841b0809041624k71968cc1qd611791970617f70@mail.gmail.com> References: <742116.68393.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <39a841b0809041615p7c8eb473l4c7a360ae30c9bf7@mail.gmail.com> <39a841b0809041624k71968cc1qd611791970617f70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0809041632v5ca2965ajbaa86629f2d6fe38@mail.gmail.com> its worth noting they also have some non sfi certified ones on clearance for $250. if you just want a nice new well fitting steel bellhousing this is a pretty good deal. On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > (the quicktime part number is RM-6063 and it costs $440) > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: >> http://www.quicktimeinc.com/products.html >> >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Russ and Tammy C. wrote: >>> I am in need of a 6 bolt bellhousing for the top loader 4 speed. Where do I >>> look and/or does anyone have one to sell? >>> >>> Thanks, Russ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com >>> >>> Tigers at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >>> >>> http://www.team.net/archive From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Thu Sep 4 18:12:05 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:12:05 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Bellhousing Message-ID: _http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=289+BEL LHOUSING&category0_ (http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=289+BELLHOUSING&category0) = In a message dated 9/4/2008 4:07:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rtscolgan at yahoo.com writes: I am in need of a 6 bolt bellhousing for the top loader 4 speed. Where do I look and/or does anyone have one to sell? Thanks, Russ You are subscribed as aaaglasss at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From bobdixon at frii.com Thu Sep 4 18:33:27 2008 From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:33:27 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Bellhousing References: <742116.68393.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801c90eef$03e06520$4100a8c0@BobsDell> The tough part is finding the magic bellhousing that mates a 6 bolt small block to the narrow pattern toploader. The aluminum ones are not easy to find since it was more of a transition piece to get rid of the narrow pattern toploader stock. I have one with a crack on the flange around a mounting hole that may be weldable. If you are interested, please let me know and I can send you some pictures. -Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ and Tammy C." To: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 5:03 PM Subject: [Tigers] Bellhousing >I am in need of a 6 bolt bellhousing for the top loader 4 speed. Where do >I > look and/or does anyone have one to sell? > > Thanks, Russ From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Thu Sep 4 19:13:52 2008 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:13:52 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] large cheddy valves Message-ID: <009301c90ef4$a973fdd0$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> years ago I repaired two sets of heads that had the longer valves and screw in studs installed, when the engine got past 4 grand the rockers arms broke due to insorrect geometry...the bosses in the heads need to be milled down for the screw in studs a the valve stems need tobe shorted, this done on a valve refacing machine, it was to long ago to give measurements, but Ford hot rodder macine shop should be able todo this their sleep, Clyde 382001173 From twotigers at verizon.net Thu Sep 4 22:10:50 2008 From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:10:50 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Open for Inspection (was Valve Covers) References: Message-ID: <002a01c90f0d$62a594e0$2f01a8c0@smith> I guess they didn't realize the fins had been removed from the casting to clear the...FIREWALL! Maybe marking the valve covers left and right would help;) Kirk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Barker" To: Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 1:31 PM Subject: [Tigers] Open for Inspection (was Valve Covers) > At 11:00 AM 9/4/2008, Ron Fraser wrote: >>...snip...I am surprised that most of these guys don't realize their >>valve covers are switched. :0" ...snip...Yes you can physically >>switch the covers but the hose plumbing would be a real messy >>looking deal and defiantly not stock. > > ---------- > > Spotted at Tiger concours events: > Note that forward ends of covers have been machined to clear spark > plug wires :) > What a lot of work! > > http://www.geocities.com/bobs_diehl/nubackwards.jpg > > Dick > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as twotigers at verizon.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 22:51:30 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 05:51:30 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Bellhousing In-Reply-To: <001801c90eef$03e06520$4100a8c0@BobsDell> References: <742116.68393.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <001801c90eef$03e06520$4100a8c0@BobsDell> Message-ID: <39a841b0809042151m1445eb79s5be991e4ace3aa8d@mail.gmail.com> mine is a normal wide pattern 6 bolt aluminum one that has been modified by welding some threaded bosses in to convert it to the narrow pattern. if you're handy with a tig welder this is possible but not easy. given the choice i'd rather have a precision made steel one. On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 1:33 AM, Bob Dixon wrote: > The tough part is finding the magic bellhousing that mates a 6 bolt small > block to the narrow pattern toploader. The aluminum ones are not easy to > find since it was more of a transition piece to get rid of the narrow > pattern toploader stock. > > I have one with a crack on the flange around a mounting hole that may be > weldable. If you are interested, please let me know and I can send you some > pictures. > > -Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Russ and Tammy C." > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 5:03 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Bellhousing > > >>I am in need of a 6 bolt bellhousing for the top loader 4 speed. Where do >>I >> look and/or does anyone have one to sell? >> >> Thanks, Russ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Fri Sep 5 00:32:55 2008 From: Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 02:32:55 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Pushrod length Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF0A607CF4@norn32.d30.intra> Alan, Pushrod length should be checked every time components are modified. The issue I just went through was installing a set of GT40P heads (Refitted with Chevy valves as I came to understand) on my sons Mustang and the Pushrods had to be custom made .250 inch SHORTER in order to correct the valve train geometry despite all of the other components being relatively stock replacement items. I am pretty sure I go through this in the Lunati Stroker buildup on Tigers United but the quick method to confirm correct length is NOT using math. Test assemble the components and use a previously crushed Head gasket or add .040 for the thickness after the fact to pushrod length (way better to use the gasket or do it during final assembly). Install a SOLID lifter (borrow or make one by welding the plunger with a Mig welder) and paint the end of the valve with a sharpie and install an adjustable length pushrod and rocker assembly with zero lash. Wind the engine over 2 times and then disassemble and observe where the eighth inch wide band of wear is if it is in the center you lucked out. If it is off adjust the length longer or shorter and repeat the process re-coloring the tip of the valve until the band is exactly in the center of the tip. To maximize wear and valve rotation (if you have rotators) you do not want to edge load the valve tip. On my sons car simply swapping one set of Roller rockers for a new set of another brand required a .050 length change to correct the geometry. We (I) decided to use the old rockers. Ironically both sets were 1.6 ratio but resulted in VERY different pushrod lengths. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings, Inc. 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 PH: 949-305-5393 Cell: 949-289-3357 FX: 425-955-6268 Email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal Email: timronak at cox.net If you received this message in error please inform the sender and delete the message. From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 5 01:04:00 2008 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 00:04:00 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] One wire alt. problem In-Reply-To: <253737.60538.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <625D5A6AC9344FE4865EEFBD3BC92EBA@ROSS> Tony, It sounds like you have one side of the bulb tied to un-switched power. Here is how I wired mine. B+ goes straight to the battery side of the starter solenoid (all the brown wires). I used the same brown wire that used to go to the alternator B+. S goes to keyed power. L goes to the ignition light bulb on the dash. I used the brown green wire that already goes to the light from the warning light simulator. The other side of the light bulb is the white wire that goes to the fuse box for keyed power. That's it. By doing that, you remove these three boxes the alternator relay, control box, and warning light simulator. Hope this helps. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse Subject: [Tigers] One wire alt. problem Recently Ron F.( I think ) posted a drawing to show how he wired his Tiger when he installed a one wire alternator. His alt. also had a small wire that went to the idiot light. Mine doesn't. I can make the system charge but the light wont go off when the key is turned off. I don't have any wires terminated permanently. The way it is working is by connecting the wires going to the middle set of points on the voltage reg. the system charges and the idiot light does go out BUT when I turn the ignition off the light comes back on- making me have to open the closed circuit that gets things charging. I emailed Steve Laiffman as I remember there where other resolutions on the TU website but I couldn't locate the article and Steve replied it was lost in cyber space as he too was unable to locate it and you know how good he is at using the search function. Any help would be appreciated. regards, TonytheTiger From TIGEROOTES at aol.com Fri Sep 5 01:20:44 2008 From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 03:20:44 EDT Subject: [Tigers] camshafts Message-ID: Sandy Ganz sganz at pacbell.net writes: > Go to this page and check out the process, very well outlined. Who is to > say > the orig pushrods were correct? If the heads were milled, different cam base > circle, etc. It's nice to have a checking spring and adjustable pushrod it > makes it a lot easier. Check out the article, very informative... > http://www.compcams.com/information/Products/Pushrods/ > > HTH > Sandy > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------------- > Sandy, et al: > If you are interested in Comp Cams, Delta Camshaft in Tacoma, Washington > is a WD (warehouse distributor) for them, in fact they DO the grinding > on-site, for Comp Cams. I've personally known the (still) family owned business > for over twenty years and they are deeply into Vintage Racing, drag racing > etc. Here's their website: www.deltacam.com > > The last time Jerry (recently retired) ground an Tiger camshaft for > me I think it cost me around $80 -- without adding a trademarked name to his > product. This is not a 'shop' this is a genuine product manufacturer and > there customer service is excellent. Check 'em out! > > Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle ************** It's only a deal if > it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From TIGEROOTES at aol.com Fri Sep 5 01:23:26 2008 From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 03:23:26 EDT Subject: [Tigers] valve covers (Dick Barker's comment) Message-ID: You wrote: Note that forward ends of covers have been machined to clear spark plug wires :) What a lot of work! ---------------------------------------------------- That's TOO funny, Dick! Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) From cmccann at lwpb.com Fri Sep 5 07:35:57 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:35:57 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Ron Davis Radiator for sale...confused, again Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647337FFAF3BA@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Listers, There is a Ron Davis aluminum Tiger radiator on eBay, item number "230285901409"... When this radiator first was listed on eBay, I saw it within an hour that it was listed. I called Ron Davis' company and asked what a new one costs, and what was the lead time to get one, they told me the radiator was 545.00 + shipping and would be ready to ship in approximately 3 weeks. The one on eBay started out at 99 dollars and I immediately offered the guy 250 ( and I knew it was low, but heck, it never hurts to ask) he was very polite, he and I negotiated and basically he would have taken about 340 + shipping for it at the time, to end the auction early. Now it looks like I should have done it since it has bid all the way up to 515.00 as of this morning, but I really wasn't looking for one, I just considered it lightly.... But this is what confuses me. I admit this radiator looks as good as new, but he says it is several years old and was installed ( but not run) on his late brothers car. Buying it from him on eBay it will not come with a warranty, no receipt, and could have something wrong with it...or at least you are taking the sellers word like everything else...and will have shipping cost associated with it just like the new one would. Right now the cost of the radiator is within 30 bucks of the cost of a new one...and it has over 2 days left....and prices always go up some at the last minute. I know we have seen this before and discussed it with regards to the lat valve covers and other bits, but I guess I feel compelled to scream out at the list....especially if the buyers are out there listening. ....WHY WOULD ANYONE PAY FULL VALUE OR MORE THAN FULL VALUE for a used part when the new one is available, with receipt and warrant and has almost no wait time!!!! I truly do not understand.... Thanks everyone for letting me get on my soapbox for a brief second. Obviously this doesn't hurt anyone but the buyer himself, and maybe he or she has their reasons.... Cullen B382001452 LROFE From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Sep 5 08:01:13 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:01:13 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Ron Davis Radiator for sale...confused, again Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F27B@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> That happens all the time. As a longtime eBay user, I've found that there are a LOT of items that end up going for more than the street price or even MSRP, especially computer gear. You have to know what you are bidding on, know its value, and stop when it's no longer a good deal. When there are two people caught up in the frenzy of trying to outbid each other, or if there is a bidder who doesn't know that the item is still available new for the same price, then the knowledgeable buyer has to get out. In the Tiger world this seems to happen quite often with gear that Rick from SS sells, especially the valve covers. There was also the used LAT hood that went for over $1100. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann Sent: September 5, 2008 7:36 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Ron Davis Radiator for sale...confused, again Listers, There is a Ron Davis aluminum Tiger radiator on eBay, item number "230285901409"... Thanks everyone for letting me get on my soapbox for a brief second. Obviously this doesn't hurt anyone but the buyer himself, and maybe he or she has their reasons.... Cullen From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 5 08:17:54 2008 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:17:54 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Ebay Madness Message-ID: <001101c90f62$307e3940$6401a8c0@your03667082de> "WHY WOULD ANYONE PAY FULL VALUE OR MORE THAN FULL VALUE for a used part when the new one is available, with receipt and warrant and has almost no wait time!!!! I truly do not understand...." This happens all the time with traction bars, water pumps, you name it. A couple of weeks ago, I bid on a LAT hood that had sitting in a garage for years It sold for the retail price. A couple of times I have emailed some of the bidders who finished second and they are clueless that these things are available. I think part of it is bidding fever. They get all hyped up and no one will out bid them, by God! On another note, I get suspicious with auctions that have hidden bidders. I always wonder if the guy selling is not putting in a few bids of their own to jack up the price. The is no way to tell if you don't know who you are bidding against. Jeff From cmccann at lwpb.com Fri Sep 5 08:25:47 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:25:47 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Ebay Madness In-Reply-To: <001101c90f62$307e3940$6401a8c0@your03667082de> References: <001101c90f62$307e3940$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647337FFAF3E5@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> I agree that's true. Ebay wont let you bid on it yourself with your own account, and there is nothing to stop someone's family member from bidding on it. But I will say this, one time, years ago, I told my brother to buy it from me on eBay if the bid didn't reach a certain point, and I was legitimately going to sell it to him...and he did and took possession of the item. About a week later, both our accounts were suspended, eBay said they found similarities in our accounts and we were under investigation. I got my account reactivated, but it took weeks of letters and hard work convincing them that he did in fact buy the item from me. Plus this guy selling it would have sold it to me outside of the auction....if I had agreed to the price, and one day 1.... I think my reason for addressing the list with this was simply that if the buyers are listening, that I kinda feel sorry for them for getting wound up like this....and that I encourage them to not fall into that auction mentality...because it seems really.....shallow to me, without trying to be too judgmental. I basically want to talk them out of it....but yet I shouldn't. Let them do what they want. And from the seller's perspective, I'll bet that most of us wouldn't mind if something got overbid....we wouldn't turn it down...right? C Subject: Ebay Madness "WHY WOULD ANYONE PAY FULL VALUE OR MORE THAN FULL VALUE for a used part when the new one is available, with receipt and warrant and has almost no wait time!!!! I truly do not understand...." This happens all the time with traction bars, water pumps, you name it. A couple of weeks ago, I bid on a LAT hood that had sitting in a garage for years It sold for the retail price. A couple of times I have emailed some of the bidders who finished second and they are clueless that these things are available. I think part of it is bidding fever. They get all hyped up and no one will out bid them, by God! On another note, I get suspicious with auctions that have hidden bidders. I always wonder if the guy selling is not putting in a few bids of their own to jack up the price. The is no way to tell if you don't know who you are bidding against. Jeff From vegaslegal at aol.com Fri Sep 5 08:51:24 2008 From: vegaslegal at aol.com (vegaslegal at aol.com) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:51:24 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] What is the "correct" engine color? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CADD7E0047DC70-1770-F3D@webmail-da07.sysops.aol.com> All original powertrain, never touched under the bonnet--black on 382000975 -----Original Message----- From: Scott Hutchinson To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 6:31 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] What is the "correct" engine color? Hey, we could have another poll. 382000829. Black. TBON shows the cutover to blue a bit earlier than this. I would love to know if there is anyone else out there who has a black engine in a car somewhere near this vin. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 * ******** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. You are subscribed as vegaslegal at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From wseay at embarqmail.com Fri Sep 5 09:32:39 2008 From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:32:39 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 260 engine tag and the 510 designation and TBON#2 References: <000a01c90e2a$48b92bc0$da2b8340$@rr.com><420BE66C7DC049ECA06B5A6B217F60A9@ronpc1> Message-ID: <2B36BDA7278A46F6935C452D7F533EF9@xpseay> Norm, Glad to hear that TBON book two is on the way. Hurry up, we need it. - Will 382001570 ____________________________ Will Seay wseay at embarqmail.com ...snip...Details covering power plants, gearboxes - and various "ship loose" items are chronicled in documents that will be included in my slowly developing second volume on the Sunbeam Tiger. I must admit to not being in too much of a hurry to finish "book two", but it is taking shape sortaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. From sganz at pacbell.net Fri Sep 5 10:11:10 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Ron Davis Radiator for sale...confused, again Message-ID: <371167.17286.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Lame, the only thing is that you won't have to wait the longish lead time from Rod Davis. But other then that, lame. ----- Original Message ---- From: "Smit, Theo" To: Cullen McCann ; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 7:01:13 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ron Davis Radiator for sale...confused, again That happens all the time. As a longtime eBay user, I've found that there are a LOT of items that end up going for more than the street price or even MSRP, especially computer gear. You have to know what you are bidding on, know its value, and stop when it's no longer a good deal. When there are two people caught up in the frenzy of trying to outbid each other, or if there is a bidder who doesn't know that the item is still available new for the same price, then the knowledgeable buyer has to get out. In the Tiger world this seems to happen quite often with gear that Rick from SS sells, especially the valve covers. There was also the used LAT hood that went for over $1100. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann Sent: September 5, 2008 7:36 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Ron Davis Radiator for sale...confused, again Listers, There is a Ron Davis aluminum Tiger radiator on eBay, item number "230285901409"... Thanks everyone for letting me get on my soapbox for a brief second. Obviously this doesn't hurt anyone but the buyer himself, and maybe he or she has their reasons.... Cullen _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From cmeinel464 at aol.com Fri Sep 5 10:31:00 2008 From: cmeinel464 at aol.com (cmeinel464 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:31:00 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Ebay Madness In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647337FFAF3E5@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> References: <001101c90f62$307e3940$6401a8c0@your03667082de> <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647337FFAF3E5@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: <8CADD8BEA748333-1078-17D9@WEBMAIL-DF08.sysops.aol.com> We have been selling Sunbeam parts for over 35 years and last year we opened an Ebay store to try to educated Sunbeam owners that these supposed rare item are available new and at reasonable prices.? I get a big kick out of Ebayers bidding up items to 200-500% of retail.? Best regards, Curt Meinel Classic Sunbeam Inc. ? -----Original Message----- From: Cullen McCann To: Jeffrey Nichols ; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 9:25 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ebay Madness I agree that's true. Ebay wont let you bid on it yourself with your own account, and there is nothing to stop someone's family member from bidding on it. But I will say this, one time, years ago, I told my brother to buy it from me on eBay if the bid didn't reach a certain point, and I was legitimately going to sell it to him...and he did and took possession of the item. About a week later, both our accounts were suspended, eBay said they found similarities in our accounts and we were under investigation. I got my account reactivated, but it took weeks of letters and hard work convincing them that he did in fact buy the item from me. Plus this guy selling it would have sold it to me outside of the auction....if I had agreed to the price, and one day 1.... I think my reason for addressing the list with this was simply that if the buyers are listening, that I kinda feel sorry for them for getting wound up like this....and that I encourage them to not fall into that auction mentality...because it seems really.....shallow to me, without trying to be too judgmental. I basically want to talk them out of it....but yet I shouldn't. Let them do what they want. And from the seller's perspective, I'll bet that most of us wouldn't mind if something got overbid....we wouldn't turn it down...right? C Subject: Ebay Madness "WHY WOULD ANYONE PAY FULL VALUE OR MORE THAN FULL VALUE for a used part when the new one is available, with receipt and warrant and has almost no wait time!!!! I truly do not understand...." This happens all the time with traction bars, water pumps, you name it. A couple of weeks ago, I bid on a LAT hood that had sitting in a garage for years It sold for the retail price. A couple of times I have emailed some of the bidders who finished second and they are clueless that these things are available. I think part of it is bidding fever. They get all hyped up and no one will out bid them, by God! On another note, I get suspicious with auctions that have hidden bidders. I always wonder if the guy selling is not putting in a few bids of their own to jack up the price. The is no way to tell if you don't know who you are bidding against. Jeff You are subscribed as cmeinel464 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From prmnes at verizon.net Fri Sep 5 10:52:11 2008 From: prmnes at verizon.net (Paul Memont) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:52:11 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Ebay Madness In-Reply-To: <001101c90f62$307e3940$6401a8c0@your03667082de> References: <001101c90f62$307e3940$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: <48C163BB.5070604@verizon.net> Hi Jeffrey, I have sold many items and more than a few Tiger items on ebay. I ALWAYS tell the truth and include many photos and all information I know about the item. I research everything I sell to find out if it is available new and if so I include the price and where it can be purchased. I always answer all questions and always offer a full refund of the purchase price if the buyer is not satisfied. That being said, lots of Tiger parts and other used or "new old stock" items are not available. In these cases I very much understand the price they pay. On parts that can be had elsewhere I have ended up getting a higher price only a few times but usually the end price of these items is somewhere between 50 and 80% of the new cost. I always research before I buy anything on ebay and often do what you suggest, I buy new! People sometimes easily get caught up in the bidding fever. That's why ebay says "WIN"! Paul Jeffrey Nichols wrote: > "WHY WOULD ANYONE PAY FULL VALUE OR MORE THAN FULL > VALUE for a used part when the new one is available, with receipt and warrant > and has almost no wait time!!!! I truly do not understand...." > > > This happens all the time with traction bars, water pumps, you name it. A > couple of weeks ago, I bid on a LAT hood that had sitting in a garage for > years It sold for the retail price. A couple of times I have emailed some of > the bidders who finished second and they are clueless that these things are > available. I think part of it is bidding fever. They get all hyped up and no > one will out bid them, by God! > > On another note, I get suspicious with auctions that have hidden bidders. I > always wonder if the guy selling is not putting in a few bids of their own to > jack up the price. The is no way to tell if you don't know who you are > bidding against. > > > > > > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ From DJoh797014 at aol.com Fri Sep 5 16:34:42 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 18:34:42 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Britsh Car Festival this Sunday Message-ID: The Chicago British Car Festival is this Sunday at the Moraine Valley Community College in Palos Heights, IL. BE THERE OR BE SQUARE !!! I'll be working Registration again. I'll have a shelter set up. Look for the Sunbeam Sign. Dave **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From michael.s.king at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 17:16:24 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:16:24 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Ebay Madness In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647337FFAF3E5@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> References: <001101c90f62$307e3940$6401a8c0@your03667082de> <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647337FFAF3E5@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: > Plus this guy selling it would have sold > it to me outside of the auction....if I had agreed to the price, and one > day > 1.... > > > C I guess you also have to look at the fact that you are doing the wrong thing too. If it doesnt have a buy it now price and you try and buy it outside the auction you and the seller are both i nthe wrong. As for new stff selling for more than its cost.. the traction master cars are my favourite, i thin the sellers name is hjimports55 or some such.. sells "original" traction masters with an opening bid of $175, i have seen these go on his auctions for 3-400+... he is buying them from traction master in USA for 175+35 shipping! > > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King From atwittsend at verizon.net Fri Sep 5 17:22:04 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:22:04 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Ebay Madness References: <001101c90f62$307e3940$6401a8c0@your03667082de> <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647337FFAF3E5@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: <003e01c90fae$34e0e590$0302a8c0@student2> I've been on both sides of the "side offer" on Ebay. A number of times an item I dearly wanted was suspiciously pulled - to my frustration. On the other hand when I was looking for a Pinto to build my Turbo Pinto the seller stated the car was "listed local and might sell before the auction ends." I found it on Craig's list (with a final price) and closed the deal - to my happiness. To my knowledge Ebay does not allow pulling an auctioned item, especially to sell in another market. However, I often see, "listed local and might sell before the auction ends," yet Ebay lets the item be posted. I guess it's one of the last "sticking it to the MAN" things left. Worldwide advertising, - for a minimal listing fee. THEN..., there was my Halda Twinmaster I tried selling on Ebay - TWICE! Both times I stipulated USA sale only. Twice European bidders won and then wanted the deal done on their terms. I ate about $40 in fees (it sold in the $900 range both times) and the thing is still sitting on my shelf! It took HOURS to get the fees cancelled the first time and in spite of being as cheap as I can be, I still didn't want to bother the second time. E-PAY UGHhhhh! Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1654 - Release Date: 9/5/2008 1:24 PM From CoolVT at aol.com Fri Sep 5 21:19:17 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 23:19:17 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Loud exhaust - non Tiger Message-ID: A new study in the UK confirms that women like fast cars, but apparently it's not the sexy curves of a Lamborghini, Maserati or Ferrari that turns them on. Researchers discovered that it's actually the loud sound of their engines revving that gets a woman's motor to hum. The study was conducted with 40 participants that included both men and women who were played recordings of a Maserati, Lamborghini, Ferrari and Volkswagen Polo engine. Afterwards they got their saliva swabbed and analyzed for the presence of testosterone. A higher level of the hormone in their spit indicated that the subjects were more aroused, and the results revealed that 100% of the female participants experienced a big jump in testosterone levels after listening to the Maserati. Chances are the Maserati engine was actually sourced from Ferrari, but we don't know if the results after listening to the Maranello mill were identical. And what happened after participants heard the Polo's wheezy motor? Testosterone levels fell across the board. **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From srwick at hotmail.com Fri Sep 5 21:20:22 2008 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:20:22 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] E-Brake Cable Message-ID: I finally got my rear end rebuilt and am reinstalling it. Quick question since I forgot to take pictures when I was taking everything apart. Does the e-brake cable route on top of the axle tube or under it? By the way, I've discovered a missing panhard bar and a hole in my frame where the mount used to be. Looks like this winter I'll be getting Tom's kit and doing some welding. Steve From achd73 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 6 00:21:35 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 23:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] One wire alt Message-ID: <220281.45004.qm@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I recently posted a question concering one wire alternators. Theo sent a reply as did someone else. I have the email Theo sent but I cant remember whom the other reply was from and I also cant find it ANYWHER in my yahoo account. Including folders, sent, deleted etc. Would that member plaes resend his version of wiring the one wire so the idiot light goes out properly. I am sure Theos idea will work but I want as much info as possible. Thanks, Tony From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Sat Sep 6 07:13:42 2008 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Duke Samouce) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 08:13:42 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] E-Brake Cable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c91022$62af06e0$280d14a0$@rr.com> Why replace a poorly engineered piece of equipment? I do not have a panhard rod or traction bars installed and have no problems with wheel hop. I can do some nice burn-outs too. I do have Dales springs installed. The panhard and traction bars were installed due to the original spring poor design. Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steve wick Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:20 PM To: tigers Subject: [Tigers] E-Brake Cable I've discovered a missing panhard bar and a hole in my frame where the mount used to be. Looks like this winter I'll be getting Tom's kit and doing some welding. Steve You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From mrlau at charter.net Sat Sep 6 07:30:03 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 08:30:03 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Re Loud exhaust - non Tiger Message-ID: <20080906133007.HGVE10008.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> Is this what causes them to grow mustaches later in life. -- Bill -- Cut from below-- ----and the results revealed that 100% of the female participants experienced a big jump in testosterone levels after listening to the Maserati. ---- A new study in the UK confirms that women like fast cars, but apparently it's not the sexy curves of a Lamborghini, Maserati or Ferrari that turns them on. Researchers discovered that it's actually the loud sound of their engines revving that gets a woman's motor to hum. The study was conducted with 40 participants that included both men and women who were played recordings of a Maserati, Lamborghini, Ferrari and Volkswagen Polo engine. Afterwards they got their saliva swabbed and analyzed for the presence of testosterone. A higher level of the hormone in their spit indicated that the subjects were more aroused, ----and the results revealed that 100% of the female participants experienced a big jump in testosterone levels after listening to the Maserati.----- Chances are the Maserati engine was actually sourced from Ferrari, but we don't know if the results after listening to the Maranello mill were identical. And what happened after participants heard the Polo's wheezy motor? Testosterone levels fell across the board. From chris at cthompson.net Sat Sep 6 07:34:39 2008 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 09:34:39 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Ebay Madness In-Reply-To: <48C163BB.5070604@verizon.net> References: <001101c90f62$307e3940$6401a8c0@your03667082de> <48C163BB.5070604@verizon.net> Message-ID: <48C286EF.2050102@cthompson.net> Actually the key to E-bay's success is their "sealed bid" process, where you put in the maximum you are willing to pay, yet at the end of the auction you pay only 2% or whatever more than the second highest bidder. Countless academics with too much time on their hands study these things, and this method is consistently shown to get people to bid the most - much more than can be attained by a "live" auction. And it's shown time and again by E-bay neophytes who sit and watch an auction for the last few minutes and try to get the last bid in and always lose to the person who just put in the highest price they are willing to pay and then wait to get the e-mail to tell them if they won or not, and how much they are paying..... Like they say, knowledge is power. Within a few weeks of me scanning the Tiger parts manual and putting it up on TigersUnited, some joker downloaded it, burned it on a CD, and started selling it on E-bay for $25, and has been for the past several years. I wonder just how many of these he's sold - what anybody in the world who can get on E-bay can actually get for free. I suspect quite a few..... Chris BB382000331 Paul Memont wrote: > People sometimes easily get caught up in the bidding fever. That's why > ebay says "WIN"! > > Paul From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sat Sep 6 07:48:44 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:48:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] E-Brake Cable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <6CC522A972764303B0E63B8D6B0A14AE@ronpc1> Steve The e-brake cable and rod runs parallel to the back of the axle straight across from brake lever arm to lever arm. The cable from the cabin to the e-brake runs under the axle. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steve wick Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 11:20 PM To: tigers Subject: [Tigers] E-Brake Cable I finally got my rear end rebuilt and am reinstalling it. Quick question since I forgot to take pictures when I was taking everything apart. Does the e-brake cable route on top of the axle tube or under it? By the way, I've discovered a missing panhard bar and a hole in my frame where the mount used to be. Looks like this winter I'll be getting Tom's kit and doing some welding. Steve You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.16/1653 - Release Date: 9/5/2008 6:57 AM From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Sat Sep 6 08:13:51 2008 From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:13:51 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Loud exhaust - non Tiger Message-ID: I wonder if the RPM of the motor made any difference. Fred Baum 9470768 **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From CoolVT at aol.com Sat Sep 6 08:15:21 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:15:21 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Loud exhaust - non Tiger Message-ID: >From personal experience, the more the engine gets wound the more the female gets wound:-) **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From srwick at hotmail.com Sat Sep 6 08:17:56 2008 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 07:17:56 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] E-Brake Cable References: <000001c91022$62af06e0$280d14a0$@rr.com> Message-ID: Well one concern is the large hole in a sheet metal frame, and I'm wondering if the lack of one might be the reason the car seems so eager to oversteer in a tight corner. I have traction bars and Koni shocks, so the wheel hop hasn't really been a problem so far. Out of curiosity, why were the springs a poor design? They look fairly conventional to me, just smaller. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Duke Samouce To: 'steve wick' ; 'tigers' Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 6:13 AM Subject: RE: [Tigers] E-Brake Cable Why replace a poorly engineered piece of equipment? I do not have a panhard rod or traction bars installed and have no problems with wheel hop. I can do some nice burn-outs too. I do have Dales springs installed. The panhard and traction bars were installed due to the original spring poor design. Duke B382002037 From mrlau at charter.net Sat Sep 6 08:35:34 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:35:34 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] E-Brake Cable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080906143539.JUDA10008.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> Steve I don't think saying they were a poor design is completely correct. I bought a 65 Mustang new and had problems with wheel hop just like everyone else at the time. I just got an additional leaf from the junk yard that I cut just shorter than the longest leaf and added it which stopped all wheel hop. I think that the manufacturers put springs on the cars that they thought would be a happy medium for most people and were afraid that if they put a set of springs on them that would stop wheel hop they would be too stiff for most others. Also I think most of the excessive oversteer is caused by the Ackermann angles being wrong in the front steering which is a design flaw. -- Bill -- -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mrlau=charter.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mrlau=charter.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steve wick Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 9:18 AM To: 'tigers'; Duke Samouce Subject: Re: [Tigers] E-Brake Cable Well one concern is the large hole in a sheet metal frame, and I'm wondering if the lack of one might be the reason the car seems so eager to oversteer in a tight corner. I have traction bars and Koni shocks, so the wheel hop hasn't really been a problem so far. Out of curiosity, why were the springs a poor design? They look fairly conventional to me, just smaller. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Duke Samouce To: 'steve wick' ; 'tigers' Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 6:13 AM Subject: RE: [Tigers] E-Brake Cable Why replace a poorly engineered piece of equipment? I do not have a panhard rod or traction bars installed and have no problems with wheel hop. I can do some nice burn-outs too. I do have Dales springs installed. The panhard and traction bars were installed due to the original spring poor design. Duke B382002037 _______________________________________________ From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Sat Sep 6 08:45:38 2008 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Duke Samouce) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:45:38 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] E-Brake Cable In-Reply-To: References: <000001c91022$62af06e0$280d14a0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <000301c9102f$3a78ea80$af6abf80$@rr.com> My .02, The springs were designed for the Series V Alpine and are way too soft for the Tigers HP even, even stock. The SV Alpine was a touring car that was designed for a smooth , soft ride. Look at any US Muscle car from that era, they have 3-4 leaves and are quite stiff to handle the live rear axles of the day. Dales springs have four leaves with a fifth half leave that is mounted on the top front = of the spring. They also do not have that front massive bushing. The front bushing is 1 just like the rear. The soft springs with the large front bushing may be your overstore problem. Also, your traction bars bind up the front = of the spring and make that portion useless. You essentially only have the back = of the spring working for you at that point. I had the LAT weld on traction bars. When I removed them, they were both bent in different areas. My panhard bar was still installed and the body is intact. I attest that to the original engine and the car being off the road since 1972. I would have eventually pulled out. Duke B382002037 From: steve wick [mailto:srwick at hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 9:18 AM To: 'tigers'; Duke Samouce Subject: Re: [Tigers] E-Brake Cable Well one concern is the large hole in a sheet metal frame, and I'm wondering if the lack of one might be the reason the car seems so eager to oversteer in a tight corner. I have traction bars and Koni shocks, so the wheel hop hasn't really been a problem so far. Out of curiosity, why were the springs a poor design? They look fairly conventional to me, just smaller. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Duke Samouce To: 'steve wick' ; 'tigers' Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 6:13 AM Subject: RE: [Tigers] E-Brake Cable Why replace a poorly engineered piece of equipment? I do not have a panhard rod or traction bars installed and have no problems with wheel hop. I can do some nice burn-outs too. I do have Dales springs installed. The panhard and traction bars were installed due to the original spring poor design. Duke B382002037 From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 6 08:53:05 2008 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:53:05 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Rear Springs Message-ID: <003b01c91030$452b4cb0$6401a8c0@your03667082de> It's not that they were poorly designed, its that they were meant for a Alpine with a lot less horsepower. If you remount the panhard bar, you may want to move the chassis bracket to the other side like they did on the later MKII. Although, if your rear axel is ready to be reinstalled, you will probably pass this part because you will have to cut off the old bracket and weld on a new one. I saw a Tiger at the Sunbeam Invasion that has a quad mount shock on the rear axel to control wheel hop. Two shocks vertical and two mounted horizontal. Now thats a interesting solution to the problem. My Thunderbird Turbo had the same set up. Jeff From motoys2001 at comcast.net Sat Sep 6 09:02:02 2008 From: motoys2001 at comcast.net (motoys2001 at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 15:02:02 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Rear Springs Message-ID: <090620081502.6237.48C29B6A000B57B50000185D2205886172CECFCFCD9C97019B0103@comcast.net> I have the quad shock setup on my tiger as well as the traction masters. Great for wheel hop control, terrible for high speed cornering lifting the inboard wheel off the ground, see image http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.classictiger.com/pictures/vicioso.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.classictiger.com/pictures/images.html&h=1176&w=1788&sz=1335&hl=en&start=3&usg=__KewP2GOdbQZrLzTCBebUvaAvxXI=&tbnid=-d3COITJjjwwEM:&tbnh=99&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dvicioso%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG Both the quads and the traction masters are bent from the torque. Henry V From motoys2001 at comcast.net Sat Sep 6 09:10:05 2008 From: motoys2001 at comcast.net (motoys2001 at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 15:10:05 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Loud exhaust - non Tiger Message-ID: <090620081510.15111.48C29D4D00081B9D00003B072200734830CECFCFCD9C97019B0103@comcast.net> It frequency and amplitude... get a girl on a Harley, you'll see! From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sat Sep 6 17:11:25 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 16:11:25 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Loud exhaust - non Tiger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C30E1D.9070209@SoCal.rr.com> Gang, How many of you are shaking your head about "testosterone" levels in women? The "Google Knows!" http://www.thebody.com/content/art32237.html ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > A new study in the UK confirms that women like fast cars, but apparently > it's not the sexy curves of a Lamborghini, Maserati or Ferrari that turns them > on. Researchers discovered that it's actually the loud sound of their engines > revving that gets a woman's motor to hum. The study was conducted with 40 > participants that included both men and women who were played recordings of a > Maserati, Lamborghini, Ferrari and Volkswagen Polo engine. Afterwards they got > their saliva swabbed and analyzed for the presence of testosterone. A higher > level of the hormone in their spit indicated that the subjects were more > aroused, and the results revealed that 100% of the female participants > experienced a big jump in testosterone levels after listening to the Maserati. Chances > are the Maserati engine was actually sourced from Ferrari, but we don't know > if the results after listening to the Maranello mill were identical. And what > happened after participants heard the Polo's wheezy motor? Testosterone > levels fell across the board. From garywinblad at comcast.net Sat Sep 6 17:52:59 2008 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 23:52:59 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] One wire alt Message-ID: <090620082352.18119.48C317DB00070C23000046C722155863940B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net> Hi Tony, With only ONE wire there is no way! Duh, when I installed mine years ago I built a little circuit to light the light if the voltage got too low. Worked but... Later Theo or one of the guys here pointed out that a ONE WIRE alternator really has THREE wires, just pull the little rubber plug on the back of it and access the other two terminals. Now, I forget which one is which but you first need to hook at least one more wire in there... Gary -------------- Original message -------------- From: Tony Somebody > I recently posted a question concering one wire alternators. Theo sent a reply > as did someone else. I have the email Theo sent but I cant remember whom the > other reply was from and I also cant find it ANYWHER in my yahoo account. > Including folders, sent, deleted etc. Would that member plaes resend his version > of wiring the one wire so the idiot light goes out properly. I am sure Theos > idea will work but I want as much info as possible. Thanks, Tony > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html From achd73 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 6 18:29:52 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 17:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re: Ign/ Gen idiot light Message-ID: <586745.24666.qm@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Tony Somebody wrote: > From: Tony Somebody > Subject: Re: Ign/ Gen idiot light > To: "Mark VT Tiger guy" > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 7:10 PM > First I want to Thank Theo, Curt,Dan and others Ive missed > who sent information concerning how to fix my problem w/ a > one wire and the idiot light. I think I can now fix the > idiot light problem, using an alternator with an internal > regulator and no other external wiring, other than the > orginal big brown wire that goes to the battery thru the > selenoid and using the orginal regulator as a junction box > for an orginal apperance. NOW, I have a question for the > group or our electrical members. The idiot light comes on > when you turn the key to the on position. It goes out when > the engine is started and the generator(if rpms are high > enough) or if an alternator is used. BUT it comes back on if > the generator or regulator goes south or the alternator > quits charging- belt breaks, internal or Ford type add on > one wire regulator or the alternator itself quits charging. > I know there is 12 volts from the fuse block going to one > side of the bulb (with key on and light > on) then when the engine is started you get voltage thru a > smaller green/brownn wire, I think that comes from the > charging syestem and the light goes out. Now what exactly > makes the bulb burn? 12 volts to one side and the removal of > voltage from the other side or wire if you prefer. I know > that years ago someone explained the theory of what makes an > idiot light work but like many things, the older I get the > more I forget. Will those that know or even think they know, > explain just exactly how the idiot light works. Thanks, > TonytheTiger From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 6 19:30:06 2008 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:30:06 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re: Ign/ Gen idiot light In-Reply-To: <586745.24666.qm@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It is simplicity itself. There must be current flowing in the bulb filament which is a resistance to the current. The filament will heat and you have light. Now for current to flow you must have a difference in potential across the resistance. So, the WHITE switched power connected to one side of the idiot light is at 12 volts and the other side going to the alternator is connected through the some diodes to ground. Now you have a difference in potential when the key is switched on. As the diodes start to develop a voltage level and it gets to 12 volts the light goes out. If the alternator voltage output begins to drop down and the voltage level goes low enough the light will come back on. This is the basic theory. In reality it requires more explanation on how all this plays but this is the basis for the idiot light function. I am sure someone will comment on how the voltage on the starting diodes initiates the alternator charging circuit and why the light does not come on when the output from the alternator goes above 12 volts. But for a basic understanding I think this covers the subject. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 5:30 PM To: Beamclub Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Re: Ign/ Gen idiot light --- On Sat, 9/6/08, Tony Somebody wrote: > From: Tony Somebody > Subject: Re: Ign/ Gen idiot light > To: "Mark VT Tiger guy" > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 7:10 PM > First I want to Thank Theo, Curt,Dan and others Ive missed > who sent information concerning how to fix my problem w/ a > one wire and the idiot light. SNIP--- I know > that years ago someone explained the theory of what makes an > idiot light work but like many things, the older I get the > more I forget. Will those that know or even think they know, > explain just exactly how the idiot light works. Thanks, > TonytheTiger From bamcnulty at optonline.net Sat Sep 6 19:31:30 2008 From: bamcnulty at optonline.net (Tony McNulty) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 21:31:30 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Loud exhaust - non Tiger References: <48C30E1D.9070209@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <575E6E9568AE4815B1F0C4F747FF72CD@your4dacd0ea75> Whatever I can get ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Laifman" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Loud exhaust - non Tiger > Gang, > > How many of you are shaking your head about "testosterone" levels in > women? > > The "Google Knows!" > > http://www.thebody.com/content/art32237.html > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > CoolVT at aol.com wrote: >> A new study in the UK confirms that women like fast cars, but apparently >> it's not the sexy curves of a Lamborghini, Maserati or Ferrari that >> turns them >> on. Researchers discovered that it's actually the loud sound of their >> engines >> revving that gets a woman's motor to hum. The study was conducted with >> 40 >> participants that included both men and women who were played recordings >> of a >> Maserati, Lamborghini, Ferrari and Volkswagen Polo engine. Afterwards >> they got >> their saliva swabbed and analyzed for the presence of testosterone. A >> higher >> level of the hormone in their spit indicated that the subjects were more >> aroused, and the results revealed that 100% of the female participants >> experienced a big jump in testosterone levels after listening to the >> Maserati. Chances >> are the Maserati engine was actually sourced from Ferrari, but we don't >> know >> if the results after listening to the Maranello mill were identical. And >> what >> happened after participants heard the Polo's wheezy motor? Testosterone >> levels fell across the board. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bamcnulty at optonline.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.17/1655 - Release Date: 9/5/2008 7:05 PM From hallmotors at cox.net Sun Sep 7 08:20:41 2008 From: hallmotors at cox.net (Hall Motors) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 09:20:41 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] What is the "correct" engine color? In-Reply-To: <8CADD7E0047DC70-1770-F3D@webmail-da07.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CADD7E0047DC70-1770-F3D@webmail-da07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000301c910f4$e8b17b60$ba147220$@net> 382000609 also original and black -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+hallmotors=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+hallmotors=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of vegaslegal at aol.com Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 9:51 AM To: shutchin at netjets.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] What is the "correct" engine color? All original powertrain, never touched under the bonnet--black on 382000975 -----Original Message----- From: Scott Hutchinson To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 6:31 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] What is the "correct" engine color? Hey, we could have another poll. 382000829. Black. TBON shows the cutover to blue a bit earlier than this. I would love to know if there is anyone else out there who has a black engine in a car somewhere near this vin. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 * ******** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. You are subscribed as vegaslegal at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as hallmotors at cox.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Sep 7 11:51:13 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:51:13 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Bonneville World of Speed... Message-ID: <48C41491.1060608@mayfco.com> Folks, the world's fastest sunbeam (wannabe) will not make the trip to the salt in September. I had recent dental surgery, 8 implants installed and my mouth is a wreck. I had planned for the operation to occur in mid Agust which would have been fine but it slid out until Sept 4th. I had major bone grafting to allow the implants to be installed and that took longer to ossify and heal than expected. I am still eating mush or similar. And the car is missing some of it's instrumentation. The Innovate air fuel sensor controller went belly up and it is off being repaired. And the car is in great need of additional weight and some longitudinal stability. As verified by the last run I made at Speed Week. Whooeeee! With the water injection off and some new found spark advance I headed down the salt at a truly blistering pace. I hit my rpm almost a mile or more faster than ever before (ie my on pace rpm would generally be at the 3 mile but I was there at 1.2 mils this time).. And then some slick salt, lol. Rear end slid out when traction was lost. So I need to add about 500 or 600 lbs to the car to account for teh added torque at teh rear wheels, change its polar moment of inertia upward and add some aero stability as well in the form of a spoiler. So lots of work to do before I go back. Very sorry to disappoint all of you who have ben very supportive. Just not possible right now. mayf, sadly From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sun Sep 7 12:48:37 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 14:48:37 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Bonneville World of Speed... In-Reply-To: <48C41491.1060608@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <4D8FB66822874CF7A2CF3EDEA4C278CC@ronpc1> Mayf You will never disappoint us, we applaud you. We understand Herculean effort it takes to push yourself and a car "to infinity and beyond". The best always. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 1:51 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net; Alpines Subject: [Tigers] Bonneville World of Speed... Folks, the world's fastest sunbeam (wannabe) will not make the trip to the salt in September. I had recent dental surgery, 8 implants installed and my mouth is a wreck. I had planned for the operation to occur in mid Agust which would have been fine but it slid out until Sept 4th. I had major bone grafting to allow the implants to be installed and that took longer to ossify and heal than expected. I am still eating mush or similar. And the car is missing some of it's instrumentation. The Innovate air fuel sensor controller went belly up and it is off being repaired. And the car is in great need of additional weight and some longitudinal stability. As verified by the last run I made at Speed Week. Whooeeee! With the water injection off and some new found spark advance I headed down the salt at a truly blistering pace. I hit my rpm almost a mile or more faster than ever before (ie my on pace rpm would generally be at the 3 mile but I was there at 1.2 mils this time).. And then some slick salt, lol. Rear end slid out when traction was lost. So I need to add about 500 or 600 lbs to the car to account for teh added torque at teh rear wheels, change its polar moment of inertia upward and add some aero stability as well in the form of a spoiler. So lots of work to do before I go back. Very sorry to disappoint all of you who have ben very supportive. Just not possible right now. mayf, sadly You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.17/1657 - Release Date: 9/6/2008 8:07 PM From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Sun Sep 7 14:41:20 2008 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:41:20 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] idiot light Message-ID: <000801c9112a$15e29800$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> Listers, When the ignition is turned on 12v go to the bulb, the other side goes to the altenator, that terminal is ground for the light until it starts to charge, at that point 12v are feed back to the light, thus making it turn off with 12v positive to both sides, Clyde 382001173 From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Sun Sep 7 14:45:45 2008 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:45:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] te/ae crab feast Message-ID: <000f01c9112a$b3f498e0$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> Thanks to Tom/Kathy for a very nice afternoon, to bad it rained, no Sunbeams present, but the new barn provided a great place out of the weather, I'm new to the group, it was nice to see so many people present, looking froward to October, Clyde 382001173 From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sun Sep 7 15:03:02 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 14:03:02 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] [Non-Tiger]: Wooden Supercar? In-Reply-To: <012f01c91085$e10fbe90$b770d262@stevesdell> References: <012f01c91085$e10fbe90$b770d262@stevesdell> Message-ID: <48C44186.3050004@SoCal.rr.com> Guys, Steve Coleman sent this link to an interesting site. As to wooden cars, lot's have been made for styling models, as well as fiber glass, clay, etc. But this one is intended to actually be used for transportation. Sure, we've all heard that British Roadsters had wooden frames! But those were only body framing, not chassis. Here is an intended real thing. Why not? (PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE LINKS TO NEARLY NAKED PRINCESS LEA, OR THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN (OZ). ;-) Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Coleman wrote: > Ever seen this Steve? Post to listers if you want. > > Steve > > This guy built a supercar almost completely out of wood: > > http://www.geekologie.com/2008/08/wooden_supercar_apparently_bei.php From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk Sun Sep 7 15:28:00 2008 From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 22:28:00 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] [Non-Tiger]: Wooden Supercar? In-Reply-To: <48C44186.3050004@SoCal.rr.com> References: <012f01c91085$e10fbe90$b770d262@stevesdell> <48C44186.3050004@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <5dZD2UCgdExIFw0d@v8tiger.demon.co.uk> the problem with the wooden car is of course that it wooden start! :-) In message <48C44186.3050004 at SoCal.rr.com>, Steve Laifman writes >Guys, > >Steve Coleman sent this link to an interesting site. As to wooden >cars, lot's have been made for styling models, as well as fiber glass, >clay, etc. But this one is intended to actually be used for transportation. > >Sure, we've all heard that British Roadsters had wooden frames! But >those were only body framing, not chassis. > >Here is an intended real thing. Why not? (PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE >LINKS TO NEARLY NAKED PRINCESS LEA, OR THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN (OZ). ;-) > >Steve > >___ >Steve Laifman >Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > >Steve Coleman wrote: >> Ever seen this Steve? Post to listers if you want. >> >> Steve >> >> This guy built a supercar almost completely out of wood: >> >> http://www.geekologie.com/2008/08/wooden_supercar_apparently_bei.php >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive > -- Jeff Howarth From sralsten at ca.rr.com Sun Sep 7 15:48:11 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 13:48:11 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Boot hinge removal Message-ID: <000b01c91133$6cbe39a0$6401a8c0@DELL4600> I bought the gaskets for under the hinges as my rubber was virtually gone. When I first started reading this list I recall some discussion about boot springs and taking pressure off them but I've forgotten it. If I remove my boot hinge retaining bolts as I going to get an unpleasant surprise ? If so how do I remove the springs ? Thanks Steve From sralsten at ca.rr.com Sun Sep 7 15:59:54 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 13:59:54 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Calif DMV YOM law Message-ID: <000f01c91135$0fc86520$6401a8c0@DELL4600> As I was investigating plate choices for my car I stumbled on some info. Calif has been allowing use of vintage plates on a car that did not originally come with said vintage plates up until model year 1962. It's called the YOM or year of manufacture provision. If you purchased a 1932 Ford from a private party that is currently wearing modern white Calif plates you are allowed to search for original 1932 plates and register the car with those proper year plates (YOM). The catch is the plates MUST be year of manufacture. You can't put 1953 or 1942 or even 1931 plates on a 1932 year car. Anyway the law is extended as of July 1st 2009 to allow the same for model year 1963-1969 cars. Tiger owners that choose to can dress their cars in proper black calif plates even if they were not on the car when purchased. You just have to find the proper year plate with the proper sticker and head to the DMV (after 7/1/2009) Steve From sralsten at ca.rr.com Sun Sep 7 16:05:07 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 14:05:07 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] [Non-Tiger]: Wooden Supercar? References: <012f01c91085$e10fbe90$b770d262@stevesdell> <48C44186.3050004@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <001601c91135$ca36fcf0$6401a8c0@DELL4600> It's difficult to fathom the amount of chassis flex you'd get with a wood car. Must be the worst handling worst riding car ever built. I had a 92 vette with the ttop. As soon as the top came off the car felt like it had a flat tire. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Laifman" To: "Tiger's Den" Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 1:03 PM Subject: [Tigers] [Non-Tiger]: Wooden Supercar? > Guys, > > Steve Coleman sent this link to an interesting site. As to wooden > cars, lot's have been made for styling models, as well as fiber glass, > clay, etc. But this one is intended to actually be used for > transportation. > > Sure, we've all heard that British Roadsters had wooden frames! But > those were only body framing, not chassis. > > Here is an intended real thing. Why not? (PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE > LINKS TO NEARLY NAKED PRINCESS LEA, OR THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN (OZ). > ;-) > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > Steve Coleman wrote: >> Ever seen this Steve? Post to listers if you want. >> >> Steve >> >> This guy built a supercar almost completely out of wood: >> >> http://www.geekologie.com/2008/08/wooden_supercar_apparently_bei.php From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Sun Sep 7 16:06:28 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 23:06:28 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] [Non-Tiger]: Wooden Supercar? In-Reply-To: <5dZD2UCgdExIFw0d@v8tiger.demon.co.uk> References: <012f01c91085$e10fbe90$b770d262@stevesdell> <48C44186.3050004@SoCal.rr.com> <5dZD2UCgdExIFw0d@v8tiger.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <39a841b0809071506r32022c85hc8a277dcdd361b15@mail.gmail.com> seems a bit odd - he's building the wishbones from wood too. can't see how that can be both strong and stiff. why not just use carbon? i think the right word here is 'niche'! On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Jeff Howarth wrote: > the problem with the wooden car is of course that it wooden start! > > > :-) > > > > In message <48C44186.3050004 at SoCal.rr.com>, Steve Laifman > writes >>Guys, >> >>Steve Coleman sent this link to an interesting site. As to wooden >>cars, lot's have been made for styling models, as well as fiber glass, >>clay, etc. But this one is intended to actually be used for transportation. >> >>Sure, we've all heard that British Roadsters had wooden frames! But >>those were only body framing, not chassis. >> >>Here is an intended real thing. Why not? (PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE >>LINKS TO NEARLY NAKED PRINCESS LEA, OR THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN (OZ). ;-) >> >>Steve >> >>___ >>Steve Laifman >>Editor - TigersUnited.com >> >> >> >>Steve Coleman wrote: >>> Ever seen this Steve? Post to listers if you want. >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> This guy built a supercar almost completely out of wood: >>> >>> http://www.geekologie.com/2008/08/wooden_supercar_apparently_bei.php >>_______________________________________________ >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>You are subscribed as jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk >> >>Tigers at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >>http://www.team.net/archive >> > > -- > Jeff Howarth > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Sep 7 16:06:53 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 15:06:53 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Soem Help for teh Bonneville Sunbeam.. Message-ID: <48C4507D.7040303@mayfco.com> sitting here listening to my gums heal I got to thinking... those clunky headlight rims I have on the car are trult un aerodynamic devices. I know there were the nifty ones on the MKII cars but are therrrre any others that I might use like those? One that can be obained with a small cash outlay and refurbished to work? How about some shaped aluminum for headlight simulation withing those headlight rims? Any ideas out there? mayf From awtiger at cox.net Sun Sep 7 17:18:13 2008 From: awtiger at cox.net (Andy Walker) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 18:18:13 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Calif DMV YOM law In-Reply-To: <000f01c91135$0fc86520$6401a8c0@DELL4600> References: <000f01c91135$0fc86520$6401a8c0@DELL4600> Message-ID: Steve...FYI...Oklahoma's been doing that for years. They call it the "vintage plate" law. They allow an Oklahoma plate from the YOM of the car to be run on any car 21 years or older. The only catch is that the vintage plate number must not be still in use on another vehicle. I've been running a '67 Oklahoma County plate on my Tiger for years now; I bought it from a friend of mine at a swap meet. All we have to do is pay the same fee as for a vanity plate and we get a little sticker to run in the lower left corner of the windshield. We still have to renew the regular plate each year, even though it resides under the driver's seat of my car :-) Take care, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Ralsten" To: Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 4:59 PM Subject: [Tigers] Calif DMV YOM law > As I was investigating plate choices for my car I stumbled on some info. > Calif has been allowing use of vintage plates on a car that did not > originally > come with said vintage plates up until model year 1962. It's > called the YOM or year of manufacture provision. If you purchased > a 1932 Ford from a private party that is currently wearing modern > white Calif plates you are allowed to search for original 1932 plates > and register the car with those proper year plates (YOM). > The catch is the plates MUST be year of manufacture. You can't > put 1953 or 1942 or even 1931 plates on a 1932 year car. > > Anyway the law is extended as of July 1st 2009 to allow the same > for model year 1963-1969 cars. Tiger owners that choose to > can dress their cars in proper black calif plates even if they were not > on the car when purchased. You just have to find the proper year plate > with the proper sticker and head to the DMV (after 7/1/2009) > > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as awtiger at cox.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sun Sep 7 17:29:28 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:29:28 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] [Non-Tiger]: Wooden Supercar? In-Reply-To: <39a841b0809071506r32022c85hc8a277dcdd361b15@mail.gmail.com> References: <012f01c91085$e10fbe90$b770d262@stevesdell> <48C44186.3050004@SoCal.rr.com> <5dZD2UCgdExIFw0d@v8tiger.demon.co.uk> <39a841b0809071506r32022c85hc8a277dcdd361b15@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C463D8.401@SoCal.rr.com> Both Steve Ralsten and Owain Lloyd show a bit of dis-belief about his wooden car design. It would be good to remember Howard Hughes's SPRUCE GOOSE. Unbelievable sight, in person, and it flew well (by accident ;-) ) Of course he isn't proposing wooden pistons, etc. Many laminate wood structures have been properly designed for load bearing, and - looking at bridges, wooden ships and iron men - it has been done for some time. Even "Old Ironsides" was wood, and it bounced canon balls. And there are "plastic cars" as well, as Shelby replicas show! It is not so much the materials, but the designer, in many cases. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Owain Lloyd wrote: > seems a bit odd - he's building the wishbones from wood too. > > can't see how that can be both strong and stiff. why not just use carbon? > > i think the right word here is 'niche'! > > > On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Jeff Howarth wrote: > >> the problem with the wooden car is of course that it wooden start! >> >> >> :-) >> >> >> >> In message <48C44186.3050004 at SoCal.rr.com>, Steve Laifman >> writes >> >>> Guys, >>> >>> Steve Coleman sent this link to an interesting site. As to wooden >>> cars, lot's have been made for styling models, as well as fiber glass, >>> clay, etc. But this one is intended to actually be used for transportation. >>> >>> Sure, we've all heard that British Roadsters had wooden frames! But >>> those were only body framing, not chassis. >>> >>> Here is an intended real thing. Why not? (PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE >>> LINKS TO NEARLY NAKED PRINCESS LEA, OR THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN (OZ). ;-) >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> ___ >>> Steve Laifman >>> Editor - TigersUnited.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Steve Coleman wrote: >>> >>>> Ever seen this Steve? Post to listers if you want. >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> This guy built a supercar almost completely out of wood: >>>> >>>> http://www.geekologie.com/2008/08/wooden_supercar_apparently_bei.php From atwittsend at verizon.net Sun Sep 7 17:36:41 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:36:41 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Calif DMV YOM law References: <000f01c91135$0fc86520$6401a8c0@DELL4600> Message-ID: <009b01c91142$947e51f0$0302a8c0@student2> Cool, I have one of those one year only 1939 "California Worlds Fair" plates. Does anyone know if they used only one plate back then??? Regarding the black plates, what distinguishes the by year, (they had a run from the early 60's to the early 70's I recall)? I recall seeing a '63 stamped on some, but after that I recall the sticker tag. 1965 would be my year of interest. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Ralsten" To: Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: [Tigers] Calif DMV YOM law > As I was investigating plate choices for my car I stumbled on some info. > Calif has been allowing use of vintage plates on a car that did not > originally > come with said vintage plates up until model year 1962. It's > called the YOM or year of manufacture provision. If you purchased > a 1932 Ford from a private party that is currently wearing modern > white Calif plates you are allowed to search for original 1932 plates > and register the car with those proper year plates (YOM). > The catch is the plates MUST be year of manufacture. You can't > put 1953 or 1942 or even 1931 plates on a 1932 year car. > > Anyway the law is extended as of July 1st 2009 to allow the same > for model year 1963-1969 cars. Tiger owners that choose to > can dress their cars in proper black calif plates even if they were not > on the car when purchased. You just have to find the proper year plate > with the proper sticker and head to the DMV (after 7/1/2009) > > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as atwittsend at verizon.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.17/1657 - Release Date: 9/6/2008 8:07 PM [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.18/1658 - Release Date: 9/7/2008 3:30 PM From Sjhcobra1 at cs.com Sun Sep 7 18:09:56 2008 From: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Sjhcobra1 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:09:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] =?iso-8859-1?q?Florida_DMV_=A0YOM_law?= Message-ID: <2183B3D0.2A27D97A.028BE4CD@cs.com> Florida has had a similar law for several years. You can locate through swap meets or there are a few vendors that sell original Florida tags for the titled year of your vintage car. There is a form to complete and a fee structure that's lower than vanity plates. You send your tag, the form and the fee and in about 4 weeks you get your tag back with the current year sticker applied. The fellow that I buy plates from has quite a selection of NOS plates and if you're lucky he may even have the right county and weight class for your car (he charges around $20.00). I have a 1966 original tag for my Mk1 Tiger,and an original 1965 tag for my 65 Mustang K-Code GT. I think its pretty neat and each year I renew with a sticker to cover the prior year on the tag. Steve Halbrook From brockctella at juno.com Sun Sep 7 18:51:17 2008 From: brockctella at juno.com (Brock Tella) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 17:51:17 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Plates Message-ID: <20080907.175117.1904.15.BrockCTella@juno.com> There are several companies(http://www.cr8apl8.com/ that make replica plates. I have a personalized plate(QikKtty) Calif. Black/yellow which always generates questions:-) ____________________________________________________________ Click here for easy weight loss help and diet information. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nr7aMNDUOrwt1wnvAZwBgOdmKMIhTodOebsg51tPKifaYro/ From stubrennan at comcast.net Sun Sep 7 20:13:59 2008 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 22:13:59 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Plates In-Reply-To: <20080907.175117.1904.15.BrockCTella@juno.com> Message-ID: <000001c91158$8e9ce150$6601a8c0@Brennan> I checked the Massachusetts regulations, and we can use "year of manufacture" plates, too. The year on the plate must be the same as the YOM of the car, or the plate that was current when the car was built. I have all the reserved number 5 digit plate the family had back to the late '50's, so I was thinking about this. HOWEVER, if you use one of these plates, you are under the "antique car registration" rules. You can only drive the car for shows, parades, to the repair shop, and stuff like that. For me, it would mean no more dropping off my daughter at school, taking it to work to show off, runs to meetings of local volunteer groups, ice cream runs, etc. Legally, at least. Some members of local antique car clubs have been known to turn in folks they see violating these rules. So maybe I'll make up a bracket so I can pop the old plate on over my new one for shows, and remove it for the drive home. Stu From Carmods at aol.com Mon Sep 8 07:20:49 2008 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 09:20:49 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Soem Help for teh Bonneville Sunbeam.. Message-ID: In a message dated 9/7/2008 6:07:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drmayf at mayfco.com writes: sitting here listening to my gums heal I got to thinking... those clunky headlight rims I have on the car are trult un aerodynamic devices. I know there were the nifty ones on the MKII cars but are therrrre any others that I might use like those? One that can be obained with a small cash outlay and refurbished to work? How about some shaped aluminum for headlight simulation withing those headlight rims? Any ideas out there? Mow about making them out of wood, like that car? John Logan **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From cmccann at lwpb.com Mon Sep 8 07:38:54 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 08:38:54 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Ebay Madness - Ron Davis Radiator ends... In-Reply-To: References: <001101c90f62$307e3940$6401a8c0@your03667082de> <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647337FFAF3E5@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647337FFAF52A@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> It took me a few days to digest this last comment, and I've decided you are correct, that it would be also inappropriate to ask the seller to sell the item outside of ebay under typical circumstances. In fact, ebay rules dictate that this not be done. There is however another scenario that is similar that is in my opinion approaching legitimate. According to ebay standards, rules and regulations, the seller can change his opening bidding price, the buy it now price, add a buy it now price or change the format of his auction ( i.e. a buy it now type, best offer type, auction type...etc.) all before the first bid is made on the item. Ebay actually allows people to end auctions early if the item is for sale locally...the problem is that people use that as a keyword or implied term most of the time to welcome outside offers. But if you are selling a car on a street corner, and running in the auction, it actually is truly appropriate to end the auction according to ebay....all except the last 24 hours of the auction, then that option is revoked. When I offered to buy the radiator, it was before any bids had been made, and the seller told me he would lower the buy it now price and I would have the opportunity to purchase it legitimately at that time. The only questionable element to this process would be me contacting him about the offer, but then again, ebay has provisions to ask the seller questions about item description, how to pay, when to pay, how to ship, shipping costs, etc....specifically. So not to justify this but I feel there are some grey areas to this concept. Point is, before any other bids have been made, there are not near as many rules as after the first bid is made....and those same rules change again, when the auction nears its ending. BTW, the radiator sold for 635.00...+ shipping. That's a hundred bucks over the cost of a new one. I think we saw this coming, and personally I feel sorry for the poor sap that couldn't stop hitting the bid button when the deal no longer became advantageous. Cullen I guess you also have to look at the fact that you are doing the wrong thing too. If it doesnt have a buy it now price and you try and buy it outside the auction you and the seller are both i nthe wrong. As for new stff selling for more than its cost.. the traction master cars are my favourite, i thin the sellers name is hjimports55 or some such.. sells "original" traction masters with an opening bid of $175, i have seen these go on his auctions for 3-400+... he is buying them from traction master in USA for 175+35 shipping! From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 07:47:16 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:47:16 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Ebay Madness - Ron Davis Radiator ends... In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647337FFAF52A@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> References: <001101c90f62$307e3940$6401a8c0@your03667082de> <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647337FFAF3E5@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647337FFAF52A@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: <39a841b0809080647r39faccf5me7bd66614a55103d@mail.gmail.com> come on 'fes up. who was the winning bidder? On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Cullen McCann wrote: > It took me a few days to digest this last comment, and I've decided you are > correct, that it would be also inappropriate to ask the seller to sell the > item outside of ebay under typical circumstances. In fact, ebay rules dictate > that this not be done. There is however another scenario that is similar that > is in my opinion approaching legitimate. According to ebay standards, rules > and regulations, the seller can change his opening bidding price, the buy it > now price, add a buy it now price or change the format of his auction ( i.e. a > buy it now type, best offer type, auction type...etc.) all before the first > bid is made on the item. Ebay actually allows people to end auctions early if > the item is for sale locally...the problem is that people use that as a > keyword or implied term most of the time to welcome outside offers. But if you > are selling a car on a street corner, and running in the auction, it actually > is truly appropriate to end the auction according to ebay....all except the > last 24 hours of the auction, then that option is revoked. > > When I offered to buy the radiator, it was before any bids had been made, and > the seller told me he would lower the buy it now price and I would have the > opportunity to purchase it legitimately at that time. The only questionable > element to this process would be me contacting him about the offer, but then > again, ebay has provisions to ask the seller questions about item description, > how to pay, when to pay, how to ship, shipping costs, etc....specifically. So > not to justify this but I feel there are some grey areas to this concept. > Point is, before any other bids have been made, there are not near as many > rules as after the first bid is made....and those same rules change again, > when the auction nears its ending. > > BTW, the radiator sold for 635.00...+ shipping. That's a hundred bucks over > the cost of a new one. I think we saw this coming, and personally I feel sorry > for the poor sap that couldn't stop hitting the bid button when the deal no > longer became advantageous. > > > Cullen > > > > > I guess you also have to look at the fact that you are doing the wrong thing > too. If it doesnt have a buy it now price and you try and buy it outside the > auction you and the seller are both i nthe wrong. > > As for new stff selling for more than its cost.. the traction master cars are > my favourite, i thin the sellers name is hjimports55 or some such.. sells > "original" traction masters with an opening bid of $175, i have seen these go > on his auctions for 3-400+... he is buying them from traction master in USA > for 175+35 shipping! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From cmccann at lwpb.com Mon Sep 8 07:47:53 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 08:47:53 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Ebay Madness - Ron Davis Radiator ends... In-Reply-To: <39a841b0809080647r39faccf5me7bd66614a55103d@mail.gmail.com> References: <001101c90f62$307e3940$6401a8c0@your03667082de> <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647337FFAF3E5@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647337FFAF52A@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> <39a841b0809080647r39faccf5me7bd66614a55103d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647337FFAF52F@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Lol....not me, I promise....I may be crazy but I aint stupid!!! come on 'fes up. who was the winning bidder? From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Sep 8 07:51:21 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 07:51:21 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Soem Help for teh Bonneville Sunbeam.. Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F287@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> The Mk2 headlight rims were parts-bin-engineered from one of the other Rootes lines, IIRC, so you can possibly find them on other Rootesmobiles of the '67 era. Another option is to get circular rims like the Cobra ones that are pretty readily available, and then use some body filler to build up the contour to hit the peak of the fender. Get well soon, Mayf. Can you set up the extra ballast in the form of a liquid nitrogen refrigeration plant for your intercoolers? Theo From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Mon Sep 8 08:14:40 2008 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 10:14:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Some Help for The Bonneville Sunbeam..MK2 Headlight Rims... In-Reply-To: <48C4507D.7040303@mayfco.com> References: <48C4507D.7040303@mayfco.com> Message-ID: Mayf, If you can wait...I will be working up some MK2 headlight rims in a plastic resin after the TEAE United in October...so I would guess early/mid November I would have something available. Also spun aluminum headlight covers can be found at Pegasus Auto Racing...you can also get the classic Lucas PL-700 Tri-pod series round headlamp as decals from them (if you like that look) for your race car. http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecId=4851 Paul > Subject: [Tigers] Soem Help for teh Bonneville Sunbeam..> > sitting here listening to my gums heal I got to thinking... those clunky > headlight rims I have on the car are trult un aerodynamic devices. I > know there were the nifty ones on the MKII cars but are therrrre any > others that I might use like those? One that can be obained with a small > cash outlay and refurbished to work? How about some shaped aluminum for > headlight simulation withing those headlight rims? Any ideas out there?> > mayf _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn 10 hidden secrets from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Sep 8 08:29:23 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 08:29:23 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Some Help for The Bonneville Sunbeam..MK2 HeadlightRims... Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F289@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Those are great covers (and decals too). But what you really need are some 7" diameter Dagmars. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul R. Breuhan Sent: September 8, 2008 8:15 AM To: drmayf at mayfco.com; tigers at autox.team.net; Alpines Subject: Re: [Tigers] Some Help for The Bonneville Sunbeam..MK2 HeadlightRims... Mayf, If you can wait...I will be working up some MK2 headlight rims in a plastic resin after the TEAE United in October...so I would guess early/mid November I would have something available. Also spun aluminum headlight covers can be found at Pegasus Auto Racing...you can also get the classic Lucas PL-700 Tri-pod series round headlamp as decals from them (if you like that look) for your race car. http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecId=4851 Paul From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 10:48:16 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:48:16 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] oil coolers Message-ID: <39a841b0809080948y331fd251t33f9a57c2d46d705@mail.gmail.com> quick question about the benefits of an oil cooler. although i no longer have any cooling issues, i'd planned on fitting a small oil cooler under the assumption that the oil tends to cool the lower part of the engine while the coolant is mainly acting on the upper part, so although the thermostat should keep the same water temp, the oil should still be cooler around the crank and bearings. is this a valid assumption? do you think its worth while? i was planning on placing it to the left, in front of the radiator, mounted on the valance behind the grill. i have the bits already (cooler, hose, oil thermostat and check valve) so its only a matter of a few hours work. question is - is it worth my time? From mrlau at charter.net Mon Sep 8 11:06:38 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:06:38 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Soem Help for teh Bonneville Sunbeam.. In-Reply-To: <48C4507D.7040303@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <20080908170645.EKQK29012.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> I made some for my Alger by making a mold of plaster of paris and then putting fiberglass cloth strips soaked with fiberglass on the sides to keep it hollow in the inside. I just made the edges longer and then cut and sanded them to fit. This way you can design whatever you want and they are light. Also you can modify a bit so they custom fit your fenders for a smooth fit that still looks stock if it matters. -- Bill -- .. sitting here listening to my gums heal I got to thinking... those clunky headlight rims I have on the car are trult un aerodynamic devices. I know there were the nifty ones on the MKII cars but are therrrre any others that I might use like those? One that can be obained with a small cash outlay and refurbished to work? How about some shaped aluminum for headlight simulation withing those headlight rims? Any ideas out there? mayf From cars at wt-inc.com Mon Sep 8 11:07:35 2008 From: cars at wt-inc.com (Lynn Wall) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:07:35 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] oil coolers In-Reply-To: <39a841b0809080948y331fd251t33f9a57c2d46d705@mail.gmail.com> References: <39a841b0809080948y331fd251t33f9a57c2d46d705@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001801c911d5$642f0880$2c8d1980$@com> No, Unless you are racing or running your car at the limits an oil cooler will not provide much benefit. Although they look cool if they are in a location where you can see them. The location you are suggesting probably would not get enough airflow to provide any benefit. I researched this quite a bit thinking the same way you were and I could not find a single reputable mechanic that thought it was worth the time or effort unless I was running my car at the extremes I also would be hesitant on putting any heat emitting device in front of the radiator. This would provide some offset to the what little cooling benefits you may get. Just my 2 cents Lynn -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+cars=wt-inc.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+cars=wt-inc.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 10:48 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] oil coolers quick question about the benefits of an oil cooler. although i no longer have any cooling issues, i'd planned on fitting a small oil cooler under the assumption that the oil tends to cool the lower part of the engine while the coolant is mainly acting on the upper part, so although the thermostat should keep the same water temp, the oil should still be cooler around the crank and bearings. is this a valid assumption? do you think its worth while? i was planning on placing it to the left, in front of the radiator, mounted on the valance behind the grill. i have the bits already (cooler, hose, oil thermostat and check valve) so its only a matter of a few hours work. question is - is it worth my time? You are subscribed as cars at wt-inc.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From fastsage at cox.net Mon Sep 8 11:09:55 2008 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:09:55 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] oil coolers In-Reply-To: <39a841b0809080948y331fd251t33f9a57c2d46d705@mail.gmail.com> References: <39a841b0809080948y331fd251t33f9a57c2d46d705@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C55C63.1080102@cox.net> Owain Lloyd wrote: > quick question about the benefits of an oil cooler.................. > > ....And speaking of oil coolers, in my final push to completely solve the hot gas to the carb. problem that most (all???) Tigers have, I got this suggestion from a hot rod shop here in Tucson, Arizona. They suggest I install a small transmission cooler (maybe where the Alpine and Tiger stock oil cooler goes) and run the fuel line from the pump through that, then up to the carb. They say that several hot rodders with vapor lock/fuel boiling issues have solved the problem with this, and that the trans. coolers handle gasoline with no problem.. Has anyone tried this? Next, if the theory is correct, would a stock Alpine or Tiger oil cooler work for this application (after being pressure tested, etc., of course)? Stock look....cool fuel? Steve Sage Tiger MK1A E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10650e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ From garywinblad at comcast.net Mon Sep 8 11:14:49 2008 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:14:49 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] oil coolers Message-ID: <090820081714.18738.48C55D890009E3680000493222155688840B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net> I agree. Put a temp gauge in there first. I did and found out I certainly didn't need one. After reading club newsletters for years I was convinced I should put one in first thing.. check your temp first!! Gary -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Lynn Wall" > No, Unless you are racing or running your car at the limits an oil cooler > will not provide much benefit. Although they look cool if they are in a > location where you can see them. The location you are suggesting probably > would not get enough airflow to provide any benefit. > > I researched this quite a bit thinking the same way you were and I could not > find a single reputable mechanic that thought it was worth the time or > effort unless I was running my car at the extremes > > I also would be hesitant on putting any heat emitting device in front of the > radiator. This would provide some offset to the what little cooling > benefits you may get. > > Just my 2 cents > > Lynn From mrlau at charter.net Mon Sep 8 11:17:20 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 12:17:20 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] oil coolers In-Reply-To: <001801c911d5$642f0880$2c8d1980$@com> Message-ID: <20080908171726.FCFC29012.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> It would be pretty hard to take heat out of an engine via an oil cooler and then put it back into a radiator and gain heat. Any heat that escapes because of the oil cooler is heat that the radiator doesn't have to deal with. If it can be put so that none of it goes back into the radiator it is of course more of a benefit. That being said it might still not be worth your time, especially if you don't have a problem. For those that do have a problem, every little bit helps. -- Bill -- No, Unless you are racing or running your car at the limits an oil cooler will not provide much benefit. Although they look cool if they are in a location where you can see them. The location you are suggesting probably would not get enough airflow to provide any benefit. I researched this quite a bit thinking the same way you were and I could not find a single reputable mechanic that thought it was worth the time or effort unless I was running my car at the extremes I also would be hesitant on putting any heat emitting device in front of the radiator. This would provide some offset to the what little cooling benefits you may get. Just my 2 cents Lynn -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+cars=wt-inc.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+cars=wt-inc.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 10:48 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] oil coolers quick question about the benefits of an oil cooler. although i no longer have any cooling issues, i'd planned on fitting a small oil cooler under the assumption that the oil tends to cool the lower part of the engine while the coolant is mainly acting on the upper part, so although the thermostat should keep the same water temp, the oil should still be cooler around the crank and bearings. is this a valid assumption? do you think its worth while? i was planning on placing it to the left, in front of the radiator, mounted on the valance behind the grill. i have the bits already (cooler, hose, oil thermostat and check valve) so its only a matter of a few hours work. question is - is it worth my time? You are subscribed as cars at wt-inc.com From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Sep 8 11:18:35 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:18:35 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] oil coolers Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F28E@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Doesn't vapor lock usually occur when the car is parked, or otherwise moving slowly? The amount of heat the fuel picks up is probably proportional to the length of fuel line inside the engine compartment. Running your fuel line from the valence back to the engine is as long a path as it is from the stock fenderwell entry, and it would likewise pick up just that much heat. It would probably be better to chrome or ceramic-coat your fuel line (and the carb float bowl exterior) so as to give it maximum heat reflection ability. Another option is to run a fuel return line back to the tank, with a pressure regulator, and that way you keep the fuel circulating and it gets cooled when it gets dumped back in the tank. The other side of that coin is heating the fuel tank increases the evaporative emissions if the fuel tank cap isn't well sealed. Newer cars have gone back to a returnless fuel system in order to minimize this effect. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Sage Sent: September 8, 2008 11:10 AM Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] oil coolers Owain Lloyd wrote: > quick question about the benefits of an oil cooler.................. > > ....And speaking of oil coolers, in my final push to completely solve the hot gas to the carb. problem that most (all???) Tigers have, I got this suggestion from a hot rod shop here in Tucson, Arizona. They suggest I install a small transmission cooler (maybe where the Alpine and Tiger stock oil cooler goes) and run the fuel line from the pump through that, then up to the carb. They say that several hot rodders with vapor lock/fuel boiling issues have solved the problem with this, and that the trans. coolers handle gasoline with no problem.. Has anyone tried this? Next, if the theory is correct, would a stock Alpine or Tiger oil cooler work for this application (after being pressure tested, etc., of course)? Stock look....cool fuel? Steve Sage Tiger MK1A E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10650e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ You are subscribed as theo.smit at dynastream.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 11:22:53 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 18:22:53 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] oil coolers In-Reply-To: <20080908171726.FCFC29012.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> References: <001801c911d5$642f0880$2c8d1980$@com> <20080908171726.FCFC29012.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: <39a841b0809081022i510469a6uf8eda4a8e6f3a59e@mail.gmail.com> yes, well my assumption on that count is that the radiator has excess capacity and its under the control of the thermostat. (given that it easily maintains what ever the thermostat temp is no matter the ambient temp.). if this is true and the oil cooler is running through a thermostat too, i can't really see any down side. perhaps no upside either though... as far as running at the limit - lets just say the rev counter frequently runs out of room too early. On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:17 PM, William Lau wrote: > It would be pretty hard to take heat out of an engine via an oil cooler and > then put it back into a radiator and gain heat. Any heat that escapes > because of the oil cooler is heat that the radiator doesn't have to deal > with. If it can be put so that none of it goes back into the radiator it is > of course more of a benefit. That being said it might still not be worth > your time, especially if you don't have a problem. For those that do have a > problem, every little bit helps. -- Bill -- > > No, Unless you are racing or running your car at the limits an oil cooler > will not provide much benefit. Although they look cool if they are in a > location where you can see them. The location you are suggesting probably > would not get enough airflow to provide any benefit. > > I researched this quite a bit thinking the same way you were and I could not > find a single reputable mechanic that thought it was worth the time or > effort unless I was running my car at the extremes > > I also would be hesitant on putting any heat emitting device in front of the > radiator. This would provide some offset to the what little cooling > benefits you may get. > > Just my 2 cents > > Lynn > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+cars=wt-inc.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+cars=wt-inc.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain > Lloyd > Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 10:48 AM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] oil coolers > > quick question about the benefits of an oil cooler. > > although i no longer have any cooling issues, i'd planned on fitting a > small oil cooler under the assumption that the oil tends to cool the > lower part of the engine while the coolant is mainly acting on the > upper part, so although the thermostat should keep the same water > temp, the oil should still be cooler around the crank and bearings. > is this a valid assumption? do you think its worth while? > > i was planning on placing it to the left, in front of the radiator, > mounted on the valance behind the grill. > > i have the bits already (cooler, hose, oil thermostat and check valve) > so its only a matter of a few hours work. question is - is it worth > my time? > You are subscribed as cars at wt-inc.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From awtiger at cox.net Mon Sep 8 11:56:44 2008 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:56:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] oil coolers In-Reply-To: <39a841b0809081022i510469a6uf8eda4a8e6f3a59e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080908135644.VKMFU.176571.imail@eastrmwml36> Owain: There's a shop here in OKC that builds and maintains vintage racing cars for clients who race all over the U.S. When I was building my vintage racing Alpine, I visited at length with the chief mechanic over there about cooling the car. His main advice to me was that, given enough radiator capacity for the engine, air management is paramount to properly cooling a car. One of the things I noticed while there was that NONE of the race cars in their shop had the oil coolers mounted in front of the radiators. His comment, when I asked him about that, was why make the radiator have to work harder than it already has to? Placing an oil cooler in front of a radiator will raise the temperature, although slightly, of the air coming out of it. That heated air then goes into the radiator to cool the water. This, of course not as efficient as using ambient air to cool the water. I took his advice and placed my oil cooler (a small MOCAL unit) on the passenger side just behind the lower valance opening. I took the extra step of ducting it to where air coming through the oil cooler could not get to the radiator. I am happy to report no overheating issues whatsoever with that arrangement, even while winding the Alpine engine out to the limit!!! By the way, the same shop that I referred to above was also the shop that maintained the Lister Tiger of Syd Silverman, which he regularly vintage raced. Of course, this is the car now owned by Darrell Mountjoy. Consequently, they have had direct Tiger experience from which to draw. Once again, however, to echo previous respondents, unless you are driving your car at it's rpm limits, I would not go to the trouble or expense to fit a cooler. It won't provide enough of a cooling difference for a street car. Take care, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 12:08:36 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 19:08:36 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] oil coolers In-Reply-To: <20080908135644.VKMFU.176571.imail@eastrmwml36> References: <39a841b0809081022i510469a6uf8eda4a8e6f3a59e@mail.gmail.com> <20080908135644.VKMFU.176571.imail@eastrmwml36> Message-ID: <39a841b0809081108i5afd1528v7bacbe77a0ec85d8@mail.gmail.com> ok, well i'll put a temp gauge in first and if its on the high side (which would be what? over 250?) then i'll put the cooler in the front valance side hole. thanks all. On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 6:56 PM, wrote: > Owain: > > There's a shop here in OKC that builds and maintains vintage racing cars for clients who race all over the U.S. When I was building my vintage racing Alpine, I visited at length with the chief mechanic over there about cooling the car. His main advice to me was that, given enough radiator capacity for the engine, air management is paramount to properly cooling a car. One of the things I noticed while there was that NONE of the race cars in their shop had the oil coolers mounted in front of the radiators. His comment, when I asked him about that, was why make the radiator have to work harder than it already has to? Placing an oil cooler in front of a radiator will raise the temperature, although slightly, of the air coming out of it. That heated air then goes into the radiator to cool the water. This, of course not as efficient as using ambient air to cool the water. I took his advice and placed my oil cooler (a small MOCAL unit) on the passenger side just behind the lower valance opening. I took the extra step of ducting it to where air coming through the oil cooler could not get to the radiator. I am happy to report no overheating issues whatsoever with that arrangement, even while winding the Alpine engine out to the limit!!! > > By the way, the same shop that I referred to above was also the shop that maintained the Lister Tiger of Syd Silverman, which he regularly vintage raced. Of course, this is the car now owned by Darrell Mountjoy. Consequently, they have had direct Tiger experience from which to draw. > > Once again, however, to echo previous respondents, unless you are driving your car at it's rpm limits, I would not go to the trouble or expense to fit a cooler. It won't provide enough of a cooling difference for a street car. > > Take care, > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE > B9006857LRX From v8tracker at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 13:33:53 2008 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:33:53 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Soem Help for teh Bonneville Sunbeam.. In-Reply-To: <48C4507D.7040303@mayfco.com> References: <48C4507D.7040303@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <2CBA46DB10334A008AE300AED88EAE39@DellD4700> Dr mayf, Any chance of using the headlight openings as air intakes a la the Ford Thunderbolts and others from the sixties? I hope your mouth feels better soon. My wife went through the same hell, but it was ultimately well worth it. I wish the same for you. A.C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+v8tracker=gmail.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces+v8tracker=gmail.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 5:07 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net; Alpines > Subject: [Tigers] Soem Help for teh Bonneville Sunbeam.. > > sitting here listening to my gums heal I got to thinking... those clunky > headlight rims I have on the car are trult un aerodynamic devices. I > know there were the nifty ones on the MKII cars but are therrrre any > others that I might use like those? One that can be obained with a small > cash outlay and refurbished to work? How about some shaped aluminum for > headlight simulation withing those headlight rims? Any ideas out there? > > mayf > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as v8tracker at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From w_pierzga at msn.com Mon Sep 8 13:48:43 2008 From: w_pierzga at msn.com (MSN) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 15:48:43 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Coolers Message-ID: Many studies have shown conclusively that the problem with the Tiger cooling system is lack of air-flow thru the radiator. The single best solution to cooling a properly functioning Tiger (i.e. cooling system is in good shape) at low-speeds is to fit a full fan radiator shroud. The stock shroud covers only the top-half of the fan so the fan pulls air thru the radiator very inefficiently. At speed one wants to ensure that air flows thru - not around - the radiator. This is best accomplished by closing off the horn-holes on either side of the radiator and filling the gap between the cross member and the bottom of the radiator. There used to be a few fellows who made plastic lower fan shrouds. There was also a fellow who made steel plugs for the horn holes (looked like OEM). If they are out there perhaps they would chime in? The gap can be filled with the foam material ordinarily used to cover hot-water pipes. Fix the air-flow problems and there is no need for oil coolers - EVER. Cheers, Wayne From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Mon Sep 8 13:58:50 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:58:50 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] CA License Plates Message-ID: <48C583FA.3000604@SoCal.rr.com> Probably more than you wanted to know about Calif. Plates. In Calif., you can use original year plates, with DMV costs and permission, but they MUST be legitimate CA plates, both of them, and not replicas. Old plates are sold , and here are some rules During the WWII years the State saved on metal, and made the plates out of a soy bean based plastic. The sun would crumble them, or goats would eat them. Few around, but so were newly registered cars in the era, but lots of out-of-state movers for Aircraft manufacturing. Someday I might tell about the *Santa Monica Douglas Plant *, and the cows that were overhead! I have no information on plates in the early days, but do know that *Calif Plates in the 1914 and on were required on both front and rear. It was not a stoppable offense, but was written up if they pulled you over for some other violation. With the digital intersection cameras, they do pull you over for no front plates, as the cameras are a great revenue generator, and tries to prevent deadly intersection and pedestrian accidents. (IMHO) Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Mon Sep 8 14:04:03 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 13:04:03 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Coolers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C58533.4060003@SoCal.rr.com> Sure, Wayne Here is a complete fix for cooling problems. Although Modine may not make the described radiator core, the dimensional specifications given will do the job without the THICK aluminum cores. As usual, it has been on the TigersUnited.com site since Sept., 2001. Photos and Patterns for horn blockers, air guides, etc are also shown. http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com MSN wrote: > Many studies have shown conclusively that the problem with the Tiger cooling > system is lack of air-flow thru the radiator. The single best solution to > cooling a properly functioning Tiger (i.e. cooling system is in good shape) > at low-speeds is to fit a full fan radiator shroud. The stock shroud covers > only the top-half of the fan so the fan pulls air thru the radiator very > inefficiently. > > > > At speed one wants to ensure that air flows thru - not around - the > radiator. This is best accomplished by closing off the horn-holes on either > side of the radiator and filling the gap between the cross member and the > bottom of the radiator. > > > > There used to be a few fellows who made plastic lower fan shrouds. There > was also a fellow who made steel plugs for the horn holes (looked like OEM). > If they are out there perhaps they would chime in? The gap can be filled > with the foam material ordinarily used to cover hot-water pipes. > > > > Fix the air-flow problems and there is no need for oil coolers - EVER. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Wayne > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as slaifman at socal.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From w_pierzga at msn.com Mon Sep 8 14:43:08 2008 From: w_pierzga at msn.com (MSN) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:43:08 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Coolers In-Reply-To: <48C58533.4060003@SoCal.rr.com> References: <48C58533.4060003@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: I bow to the Buanna. Cheers, Wayne -----Original Message----- From: Steve Laifman [mailto:SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 4:04 PM To: MSN Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil Coolers Sure, Wayne Here is a complete fix for cooling problems. Although Modine may not make the described radiator core, the dimensional specifications given will do the job without the THICK aluminum cores. As usual, it has been on the TigersUnited.com site since Sept., 2001. Photos and Patterns for horn blockers, air guides, etc are also shown. http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanVala nce1.asp ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com MSN wrote: > Many studies have shown conclusively that the problem with the Tiger cooling > system is lack of air-flow thru the radiator. The single best solution to > cooling a properly functioning Tiger (i.e. cooling system is in good shape) > at low-speeds is to fit a full fan radiator shroud. The stock shroud covers > only the top-half of the fan so the fan pulls air thru the radiator very > inefficiently. > > > > At speed one wants to ensure that air flows thru - not around - the > radiator. This is best accomplished by closing off the horn-holes on either > side of the radiator and filling the gap between the cross member and the > bottom of the radiator. > > > > There used to be a few fellows who made plastic lower fan shrouds. There > was also a fellow who made steel plugs for the horn holes (looked like OEM). > If they are out there perhaps they would chime in? The gap can be filled > with the foam material ordinarily used to cover hot-water pipes. > > > > Fix the air-flow problems and there is no need for oil coolers - EVER. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Wayne > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as slaifman at socal.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From achd73 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 8 15:37:22 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:37:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] oil coolers In-Reply-To: <39a841b0809081022i510469a6uf8eda4a8e6f3a59e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <98507.78284.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Owain- You might want to have Theo or Tom make you a 7,000 RPM tach. They use one from an Alpine. Tiger tachs are often not accurate as well, so I always shift by ear. Perhaps if I had enough HP, I would make sure I had an accurate tach and have the car put on a dyno, so I would know exactly what rpm I should be shifting at. >From what Ive read and my Tiger experience. If it isnt fixed, dont break it. Im not sure, IMH that you have a problem that an oil cooler would fix. Perhaps if you just have the money and want an oil cooler, than have at it. If you car isnt running hot, the oil isnt either and the SBF does peform best at a warmer temp- not hot but not cool either. regards, TonytheTi From DJoh797014 at aol.com Mon Sep 8 16:37:12 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 18:37:12 EDT Subject: [Tigers] [Non-Tiger]: Wooden Supercar? Message-ID: Wooden frame don't seem to bother the Morgan. Perhaps its the sliding pillar suspension. In a message dated 9/7/2008 5:05:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sralsten at ca.rr.com writes: It's difficult to fathom the amount of chassis flex you'd get with a wood car. Must be the worst handling worst riding car ever built. I had a 92 vette with the ttop. As soon as the top came off the car felt like it had a flat tire. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Laifman" To: "Tiger's Den" Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 1:03 PM Subject: [Tigers] [Non-Tiger]: Wooden Supercar? > Guys, > > Steve Coleman sent this link to an interesting site. As to wooden > cars, lot's have been made for styling models, as well as fiber glass, > clay, etc. But this one is intended to actually be used for > transportation. > > Sure, we've all heard that British Roadsters had wooden frames! But > those were only body framing, not chassis. > > Here is an intended real thing. Why not? (PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE > LINKS TO NEARLY NAKED PRINCESS LEA, OR THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN (OZ). > ;-) > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > Steve Coleman wrote: >> Ever seen this Steve? Post to listers if you want. >> >> Steve >> >> This guy built a supercar almost completely out of wood: >> >> http://www.geekologie.com/2008/08/wooden_supercar_apparently_bei.php You are subscribed as djoh797014 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From todbrown at roadrunner.com Mon Sep 8 16:37:49 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:37:49 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] oil coolers Message-ID: <48C5A93D.90507@roadrunner.com> Long ago, back in the seventies, I had the opportunity to buy a Tiger II that a guy had rolled. I parted the car out (I know, I know) but kept some of the parts for spares, etc. The Tiger II had an oil cooler standard from the factory and I decided to mount it on my Tiger (a MkIA) as it was just a bolt-on operation. I had the oil cooler on the car for many years, but never really noticed any improvement as far as cooling was concerned. As someone else said, it may be an advantage when the car is raced or driven hard, but I never noticed any change. I think that part of the problem is that the oil cooler is mounted in front of the main radiator and, as a result, has two negative effects which are related to one another. First, the oil cooler blocks the flow of cool, outside air to the main radiator and secondly, what air does eventually make its way through the oil cooler to the coolant radiator has had its temperature raised. As a result, you have a couple of competing effects taking place with the net result being not much change. When I restored my Tiger, I took the oil cooler off and have been happy with the result. Of course, I don't have to deal with too many really hot days hereabouts and the engine oils available today are a lot better in many ways than those available when the Tiger was new. I sold the oil cooler on eBay for more than I paid for the wrecked Tiger II. I suspect that if you could find a place for the oil cooler where it was in the normal air stream but not blocking the coolant radiator, it might be an improvement. From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Mon Sep 8 17:12:05 2008 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:12:05 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] vet t tops Message-ID: <002501c91208$4f862700$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> Guys, That's why they were called "flexi-flyers", but we all know they really didn't fly, today they can't out run a punk driving a civic with his hat on backwards... From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Mon Sep 8 17:32:56 2008 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:32:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] oil coolers Message-ID: <003201c9120b$39abf240$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> Listers, I have installed a cooler on my car, it is from an '89 bmw 3 series, it's long and thin, installed under the radiator so that the warm air air doesn't go through the radiator, I had no real heating issues, I thinks it"kool" and some times I have to much time on my hands when it comes to being creative, I work on on high line european cars for a living, they all have coolers, even with 7-9 qts of oil...you can't see it unless you are on your knees looking up under the front bumper and I only drilled two holes in the car to mount it...confirm that I have never seen a cooler on a production euro car with the cooler in front of the radiator, some domestics, that's a different story...some also have incorporated an oil cooler in the radiator like the trans coolers, somebody thought they worked !! Clyde 382001173 From DJoh797014 at aol.com Mon Sep 8 17:40:53 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 19:40:53 EDT Subject: [Tigers] vet t tops Message-ID: That punk could be my #1 son. His Turbo charged twin cam VTEC Civic turns consistant 12's in the quarter on street tires. Redlines at 9000 rpm. The kids are just like us. Lots of enthusiasm, little money, and want to be considered just another gearhead. In a message dated 9/8/2008 6:16:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, clydemclaughlin at verizon.net writes: Guys, That's why they were called "flexi-flyers", but we all know they really didn't fly, today they can't out run a punk driving a civic with his hat on backwards... You are subscribed as djoh797014 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From achd73 at yahoo.com Mon Sep 8 17:57:18 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] oil coolers In-Reply-To: <98507.78284.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <612224.66632.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Maybe I mean" If it isnt broken, Dont fix it. I would like to say I had just woke up from a nap but I must have been dreaming when I was typing.Pleasant Mon. to the List. Dr. Mayf, I hope you are feeling better by the day. regards, TtT --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Tony Somebody wrote: > From: Tony Somebody > Subject: Re: [Tigers] oil coolers > To: owain.lloyd at gmail.com > Cc: "Beamclub" > Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 4:37 PM > Owain- You might want to have Theo or Tom make you a 7,000 > RPM tach. They use one from an Alpine. Tiger tachs are often > not accurate as well, so I always shift by ear. Perhaps if I > had enough HP, I would make sure I had an accurate tach and > have the car put on a dyno, so I would know exactly what > rpm I should be shifting at. > >From what Ive read and my Tiger experience. If it isnt > fixed, dont break it. Im not sure, IMH that you have a > problem that an oil cooler would fix. Perhaps if you just > have the money and want an oil cooler, than have at it. If > you car isnt running hot, the oil isnt either and the SBF > does peform best at a warmer temp- not hot but not cool > either. regards, TonytheTi > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as achd73 at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From drmayf at mayfco.com Mon Sep 8 18:26:16 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:26:16 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] oil coolers In-Reply-To: <612224.66632.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <612224.66632.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48C5C2A8.6000305@mayfco.com> yes, Tony. Each day brings me closer to being able to gum something, lol. While this was a booger to have done, it was necessary in my case. In my early years with dirt poor farm parents in Tex where at the time no floridation of drinking water was done... Just a bad situation all around but this is gonna help a bunch I think. If I need a shorter bolt, heck, I'll be able to just "nip" it off a bit, eh? Seriously, I am recovering pretty nicely. And thats because of all of the nice notes and well wishes I got from everyone of you! Had that not happened, I would be a grumpy old geezer. Many thanks, everyone! I even felt good enough to go and help an evenolde geezer that is going to run his car in the World of Speed 130 mph club. I don't know how he is gonna make 130 but he is gonna try, lol. His car has a well built I6 300cid Ford but his gearing is dreadful, lol. I don't think it will wind tight enough for him to make 130.. But he has hopes and that's what drives us al, eh? again, many thanks for the happy get well thoughts eveyone! mayf Tony Somebody wrote: >Maybe I mean" If it isnt broken, Dont fix it. I would like to say I had just woke up from a nap but I must have been dreaming when I was typing.Pleasant Mon. to the List. Dr. Mayf, I hope you are feeling better by the day. >regards, TtT > > >--- On Mon, 9/8/08, Tony Somebody wrote: > > > >>From: Tony Somebody >>Subject: Re: [Tigers] oil coolers >>To: owain.lloyd at gmail.com >>Cc: "Beamclub" >>Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 4:37 PM >>Owain- You might want to have Theo or Tom make you a 7,000 >>RPM tach. They use one from an Alpine. Tiger tachs are often >>not accurate as well, so I always shift by ear. Perhaps if I >>had enough HP, I would make sure I had an accurate tach and >>have the car put on a dyno, so I would know exactly what >>rpm I should be shifting at. >>>From what Ive read and my Tiger experience. If it isnt >>fixed, dont break it. Im not sure, IMH that you have a >>problem that an oil cooler would fix. Perhaps if you just >>have the money and want an oil cooler, than have at it. If >>you car isnt running hot, the oil isnt either and the SBF >>does peform best at a warmer temp- not hot but not cool >>either. regards, TonytheTi >>_______________________________________________ From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 8 18:56:17 2008 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Soem Help for teh Bonneville Sunbeam.. In-Reply-To: <2CBA46DB10334A008AE300AED88EAE39@DellD4700> Message-ID: <158149.90555.qm@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey Drmayf: I hope you start feeling better, too. But, I'm thinking you missed your chance with this teeth thing. You should have just let them pull all of them out, and passed on the implants. Instead, you could have had a cheap set of dentures made. If you had gone that route, when you make your next Sunbeam record run you could have left the dentures behind with the pit crew. Think of the weight savings, plus you'd have spent a lot less on the dentist. $$ you could have spent on some trick part that would get you over 204 mph! Feel free to consult with me anytime. No charge. Bill --- On Mon, 9/8/08, A. C. Tynes wrote: From: A. C. Tynes Subject: Re: [Tigers] Soem Help for teh Bonneville Sunbeam.. To: drmayf at mayfco.com, tigers at autox.team.net Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 3:33 PM Dr mayf, Any chance of using the headlight openings as air intakes a la the Ford Thunderbolts and others from the sixties? I hope your mouth feels better soon. My wife went through the same hell, but it was ultimately well worth it. I wish the same for you. A.C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+v8tracker=gmail.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > bounces+v8tracker=gmail.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 5:07 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net; Alpines > Subject: [Tigers] Soem Help for teh Bonneville Sunbeam.. > > sitting here listening to my gums heal I got to thinking... those clunky > headlight rims I have on the car are trult un aerodynamic devices. I > know there were the nifty ones on the MKII cars but are therrrre any > others that I might use like those? One that can be obained with a small > cash outlay and refurbished to work? How about some shaped aluminum for > headlight simulation withing those headlight rims? Any ideas out there? > > mayf > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as v8tracker at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From atwittsend at verizon.net Mon Sep 8 22:12:47 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:12:47 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] oil coolers References: <003201c9120b$39abf240$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> Message-ID: <016401c91232$50da7a50$0302a8c0@student2> Interesting with all the chat about oil coolers. My nephew had one of the 1st generation MR-2's. It had an oil cooler that was integral with the cooling system. Basically there was a bulge in the radiator hose... (really a radiator pipe). The oil passed through and transferred heat to the cooling system. This leaves me to ponder three things: 1. Apparently Toyota had no problem with the oil adding to the heat load of the cooling system. 2. Apparently 220-250 degree oil can benefit from a quick pass by 180 degree coolant. 3. This system actually brings oil up to temp faster adding to fuel mileage and at least from a cold start, more power. 4. I'll add a fourth. Why did my nephew replace the motor (and then immediately replaced it again when that one was bad)? I told him to check for the oil cooler in the first place (which did proved to be bad)? I guess because back then he wore his cap backwards. Come to thing about it, it wasn't the cap, it was his head that wasn't screwed on straight! Tom :-) [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1659 - Release Date: 9/8/2008 7:01 AM From sganz at pacbell.net Mon Sep 8 22:57:54 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 21:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] oil coolers Message-ID: <654536.79786.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have seen Aeroquip and Fluidyne coolers that do the same thing. I think as long as you have capacity (not the tigers) they are an excellent way to go. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Thomas Witt To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, September 8, 2008 9:12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] oil coolers Interesting with all the chat about oil coolers. My nephew had one of the 1st generation MR-2's. It had an oil cooler that was integral with the cooling system. Basically there was a bulge in the radiator hose... (really a radiator pipe). The oil passed through and transferred heat to the cooling system. This leaves me to ponder three things: 1. Apparently Toyota had no problem with the oil adding to the heat load of the cooling system. 2. Apparently 220-250 degree oil can benefit from a quick pass by 180 degree coolant. 3. This system actually brings oil up to temp faster adding to fuel mileage and at least from a cold start, more power. 4. I'll add a fourth. Why did my nephew replace the motor (and then immediately replaced it again when that one was bad)? I told him to check for the oil cooler in the first place (which did proved to be bad)? I guess because back then he wore his cap backwards. Come to thing about it, it wasn't the cap, it was his head that wasn't screwed on straight! Tom :-) [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1659 - Release Date: 9/8/2008 7:01 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From jim at island.net Tue Sep 9 17:52:25 2008 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 16:52:25 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Alpine tie rod ends In-Reply-To: <654536.79786.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <043001c912d7$1c20f3c0$4101a8c0@JIMPC> Hi listers... I'm making some big steering changes on my Tiger and am looking for a couple of R.H.thread Alpine tie rod ends... S.S. only sells them in L.H/R.H. pairs ...and I know that some of you out there have done Dale's Midget rack swap which only requires the L.H. ones so I'm thinking that if you sourced the parts from S.S that you might have the R.H. ends still around. If anyone can help, let me know... Thanks in advance Jim B382000446 From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 18:03:39 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:03:39 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Alpine tie rod ends In-Reply-To: <043001c912d7$1c20f3c0$4101a8c0@JIMPC> References: <654536.79786.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <043001c912d7$1c20f3c0$4101a8c0@JIMPC> Message-ID: <39a841b0809091703l5c858d4y162547e88bd3fe12@mail.gmail.com> thesunbeamsparescompany.co.uk - but it may well be cheaper for you to buy two pairs from SS. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:52 AM, Jim wrote: > Hi listers... > > I'm making some big steering changes on my Tiger and am looking for a couple > of R.H.thread Alpine tie rod ends... S.S. only sells them in L.H/R.H. pairs > ...and I know that some of you out there have done Dale's Midget rack swap > which only requires the L.H. ones so I'm thinking that if you sourced the > parts from S.S that you might have the R.H. ends still around. If anyone can > help, let me know... > > Thanks in advance > > Jim > B382000446 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Sep 9 19:55:05 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:55:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Rough Tiger on Epay(250290616868) Message-ID: <100839.30478.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is meant to be a warning in case any member of the LIST knows anyone bidding this Tiger. I have information from people who have inspected the car it is being misrepresented. Wasnt called an Allger but was questionable. It is very full of bondo- right door doesnt come close to closing properly and the trunk has been replaced w/ an Alpine trunk- notice no pics of the R. side or the trunk. The seller told me he took the car in on trade on a BIG boat but gave me the PO name and number. Scott Mednek is the POs name- number available if anyone is interested etc. I have no interest one way or another on the car but the bid was around 20k w/ days to go. The PO told me the boat guy gave him 30k trade in, as well as another car,cash etc for the 41" boat. Again, Im seding this in case anyone has a friend etc who is attempting to bid the car. Oh I forgot to mention there is lots of very shoddy welding underneath and the X frame looks very rough. Scott told me the car had a little bondo in it but was a nice daily driver- original engine but had a different air cleaner because it has a 4 barell. The car supposedly came from a family friend in Az. who owns 13 Tigers and I thought I had several at one point in time.Ebay no longer allows you to contact a bidder. If I was bidding on a Tiger I think I would go inspect it or know about the car from a group of Listers who had a history of the car. Hopefully the high bidder will get someone near by to inspect the car. regards, TtT From jrv309 at charter.net Tue Sep 9 21:07:40 2008 From: jrv309 at charter.net (Jerry and Marlene VanderPool) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 20:07:40 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rough Tiger on Epay(250290616868) References: <100839.30478.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6B62E1A187D64D5BAE5E0FAECC91E21A@D8T0X571> Tony, was that a 41 inch boat? It must have been a heck of a boat. Jerry and Marlene with the Candy Apple Tiger in Warrenton, Oregon. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Somebody" To: "Beamclub" Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: [Tigers] Rough Tiger on Epay(250290616868) > This is meant to be a warning in case any member of the LIST knows anyone > bidding this Tiger. I have information from people who have inspected the > car it is being misrepresented. Wasnt called an Allger but was > questionable. It is very full of bondo- right door doesnt come close to > closing properly and the trunk has been replaced w/ an Alpine trunk- > notice no pics of the R. side or the trunk. The seller told me he took the > car in on trade on a BIG boat but gave me the PO name and number. Scott > Mednek is the POs name- number available if anyone is interested etc. > > I have no interest one way or another on the car but the bid was around > 20k w/ days to go. The PO told me the boat guy gave him 30k trade in, as > well as another car,cash etc for the 41" boat. Again, Im seding this in > case anyone has a friend etc who is attempting to bid the car. Oh I forgot > to mention there is lots of very shoddy welding underneath and the X frame > looks very rough. Scott told me the car had a little bondo in it but was a > nice daily driver- original engine but had a different air cleaner because > it has a 4 barell. The car supposedly came from a family friend in Az. who > owns 13 Tigers and I thought I had several at one point in time.Ebay no > longer allows you to contact a bidder. If I was bidding on a Tiger I think > I would go inspect it or know about the car from a group of Listers who > had a history of the car. Hopefully the high bidder will get someone near > by to inspect the car. regards, TtT > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jrv309 at charter.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From cmccann at lwpb.com Wed Sep 10 07:23:08 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:23:08 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger body seam treatment... In-Reply-To: <100839.30478.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <100839.30478.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473386417CAC@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Listers~ I have a question regarding the treatment of body seams on Tigers that I often see in pictures. This white car shown here on ebay is a good example. On the inner fender, where the Tiger has the wider, more soft and rounded looking inner fender brace (over the alpine) I see that often the brace is "softened" where it transitions into the sheet metal for the wheel well...and I see this all the time, even on cars that are striving for pure originality... ...but my car for has those braces have a lip, where clearly the fender well and the brace were tacked together and areas where the body assembly was spot welded...etc. Is this just a popular treatment of the seams during rebuild of the car with a little bondo? Cullen From sralsten at ca.rr.com Wed Sep 10 08:44:46 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:44:46 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Ebay Tiger/badge Message-ID: <3481594.2082971221057886325.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web12-z02> Speaking of ebay tigers... there is a basket case for sale with a very low chassis number. I notice it has a Rootes badge on the bonnet. Is this an owner add or were they sold that way early on. Seems an odd choice for an orner add. Steve http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___SUNBEAM-TIGER-V8-2-TOPS-shelby_W0QQitemZ270273716553QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270273716553&_trkparms=72%3A727%7C39%3A1%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245 From sralsten at ca.rr.com Wed Sep 10 08:45:02 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:45:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Ebay Tiger/badge Message-ID: <4149292.2083001221057902452.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web12-z02> Speaking of ebay tigers... there is a basket case for sale with a very low chassis number. I notice it has a Rootes badge on the bonnet. Is this an owner add or were they sold that way early on. Seems an odd choice for an orner add. Steve http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___SUNBEAM-TIGER-V8-2-TOPS-shelby_W0QQitemZ270273716553QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270273716553&_trkparms=72%3A727%7C39%3A1%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245 From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 08:54:33 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:54:33 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Ebay Tiger/badge In-Reply-To: <3481594.2082971221057886325.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web12-z02> References: <3481594.2082971221057886325.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web12-z02> Message-ID: <39a841b0809100754q1915d0d5p6c5860d0d965865b@mail.gmail.com> it also has early SI-SIII alpine style sidelights. i personally prefer them. same question - were they on the early cars of has it had the front end repaired with alpine panels? On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:44 PM, wrote: > Speaking of ebay tigers... > > there is a basket case for sale with a very low chassis number. I notice it has a Rootes badge on the bonnet. Is this an owner add or were they sold that way > early on. Seems an odd choice for an orner add. > > Steve > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___SUNBEAM-TIGER-V8-2-TOPS-shelby_W0QQitemZ270273716553QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270273716553&_trkparms=72%3A727%7C39%3A1%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From sralsten at ca.rr.com Wed Sep 10 09:31:08 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:31:08 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question Message-ID: <7180588.1539611221060668486.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web04-z02> In the course of my Tiger shopping I brought a car to Dale A to inspect for me. He reccomended a pass. One of the reasons he pointed out (in addition to rust) was it had some bad body work and he speciffically pointed to the front edge bottom of the doors. He said there is supposed to be a seam running down through the rockers to the bottom edge of the car that falls in line with the forward edge of the doors. Some time passed and I attended Tigers United 31. Remembering Dales comment I noticed several cars that looked great to me did not have this seam. Dale later said in another conversation there are a "lot of cars with bad bodywork". Since then I have been told that Jenson originally filled that seam with lead so early cars will not show a seam but latter ones will and both are correct. I have a lot of faith in Dale and in the guy who explained the lead fill idea but they seem to conflict. I don't have a BON but does it shed any light on this ? BTW, chassis B9473720 clearly has the seam and no indication of bodywork in that area. Thanks Steve From sralsten at ca.rr.com Wed Sep 10 09:33:54 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:33:54 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question Message-ID: <11565877.1540511221060834708.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web04-z02> In the course of my Tiger shopping I brought a car to Dale A to inspect for me. He reccomended a pass. One of the reasons he pointed out (in addition to rust) was it had some bad body work and he speciffically pointed to the front edge bottom of the doors. He said there is supposed to be a seam running down through the rockers to the bottom edge of the car that falls in line with the forward edge of the doors. Some time passed and I attended Tigers United 31. Remembering Dales comment I noticed several cars that looked great to me did not have this seam. Dale later said in another conversation there are a "lot of cars with bad bodywork". Since then I have been told that Jenson originally filled that seam with lead so early cars will not show a seam but latter ones will and both are correct. I have a lot of faith in Dale and in the guy who explained the lead fill idea but they seem to conflict. I don't have a BON but does it shed any light on this ? BTW, chassis B9473720 clearly has the seam and no indication of bodywork in that area. Thanks Steve From bomber44 at comcast.net Wed Sep 10 10:06:52 2008 From: bomber44 at comcast.net (Rob Guerra) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:06:52 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Ebay Tiger/badge In-Reply-To: <39a841b0809100754q1915d0d5p6c5860d0d965865b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The hood came off an alpine On 9/10/08 7:54 AM, "Owain Lloyd" wrote: > it also has early SI-SIII alpine style sidelights. i personally prefer them. > same question - were they on the early cars of has it had the front > end repaired with alpine panels? > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:44 PM, wrote: From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Sep 10 10:28:24 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:28:24 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question References: <7180588.1539611221060668486.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web04-z02> Message-ID: <003b01c91362$40bcfd60$0302a8c0@student2> Steve, >>>Since then I have been told that Jenson originally filled that seam with >>>lead so early cars will not show a seam but latter ones will and both are >>>correct.<<< I have B9470101 and the lower seam is there. Given that my car has a skim coat of Bondo on it, I assume the they didn't go to the trouble to create the seam for no apparent reason. As I recall there is a seam near the top of the fender and the cowl area. It is not on my car (could be the Bondo). I recall seeing it on other cars. There are those who are far more versed in this area than myself. But, I'm thinking maybe that is the seam (the upper one) that someone was referring you to??? Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1664 - Release Date: 9/10/2008 6:00 AM From sralsten at ca.rr.com Wed Sep 10 10:32:56 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:32:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Ebay Tiger/badge Message-ID: <4898582.1553141221064376395.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web04-z02> Thanks, but how do you know that ? Is it because of the badge or are there other clues it is an Alpine hood ? Steve ---- Rob Guerra wrote: > The hood came off an alpine > > > On 9/10/08 7:54 AM, "Owain Lloyd" wrote: > > > it also has early SI-SIII alpine style sidelights. i personally prefer them. > > same question - were they on the early cars of has it had the front > > end repaired with alpine panels? > > > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:44 PM, wrote: From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Sep 10 10:43:42 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:43:42 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Ebay Tiger/badge References: <3481594.2082971221057886325.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web12-z02> Message-ID: <004501c91364$622d40c0$0302a8c0@student2> Sorry I can't comment about the badge. But, the owner has the car listed as the 108th one built, but that is the JAL. The Rootes number is 142nd built. Finally..., I see a car within 41 numbers to mine with the same rivets. Not that I'm trying to get that subject going again - even if it is Tiger related. But..., all the talk always seems to be about special, small hole rivets (as if they were the only ones ever used) and here is another Tiger with what appears to be a factory installed rivets like mine. I based "factory installed" on the layers of paint around the VIN plate indicating it probably was never removed. Good thing this car is in N.Y. It is just the "lost puppy" kind of item (if cheap enough) I feel I could rescue. Stupid me! Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1664 - Release Date: 9/10/2008 6:00 AM From Rollright at aol.com Wed Sep 10 10:58:28 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:58:28 EDT Subject: [Tigers] steering rack gaitors/boots and steering u-joints Message-ID: Hi there, Sunbeam Specialties is waiting for a shipment of boots from England. I can't wait. I'm wondering if anyone knows a easy substitute for them from a more common car. BTW: any crosses on the steering column u-joints ? Best regards as always, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From sralsten at ca.rr.com Wed Sep 10 11:05:08 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:05:08 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question Message-ID: <22166939.1559611221066309027.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web04-z02> Wow, that would really seem to damage the early car lead idea right ? 9470101 and 9473720 at opposite ends of the Mk1 both have the seam below the door ? Maybe there was incorrect body work on one or both of these cars ? Maybe the factory was not consistent in their treatment of this detail ? Steve ---- Thomas Witt wrote: > Steve, > >>>Since then I have been told that Jenson originally filled that seam with > >>>lead so early cars will not show a seam but latter ones will and both are > >>>correct.<<< > I have B9470101 and the lower seam is there. Given that my car has a skim > coat of Bondo on it, I assume the they didn't go to the trouble to create > the seam for no apparent reason. As I recall there is a seam near the top > of the fender and the cowl area. It is not on my car (could be the Bondo). > I recall seeing it on other cars. There are those who are far more versed > in this area than myself. But, I'm thinking maybe that is the seam (the > upper one) that someone was referring you to??? > Tom > > > [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried > to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1664 - Release Date: 9/10/2008 > 6:00 AM From awtiger at cox.net Wed Sep 10 11:18:27 2008 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:18:27 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Ebay Tiger/badge In-Reply-To: <4898582.1553141221064376395.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web04-z02> Message-ID: <20080910131827.5OBI3.300787.imail@eastrmwml10> Steve: >From the picture, one cannot tell if it is actually an Alpine hood or not. The presence of the Series I or II badge is a good clue that it may be an early hood, but to truly tell, one would have to open the hood. First of all, the fact that it's an early Tiger means that the "round-cornered" hood from an early Alpine will fit onto the car. But, then you have the hood prop location issue to deal with. Series I and II Alpines had a rather short hood prop rod that was fastened to the cowl of the car. When the hood was raised, they contacted the hood just behind the hood latch assembly in a special receptacle bracket made for the prop. The only problem with those was that they didn't allow the hood to be fully open when working on the car. At some point later in the Series run of Alpines (maybe sometime during late Series II production but certainly for the Series IIIs and up), they started mounting the hood prop on the passenger side of the engine compartment, just like on your B9473720LROFE car. There was also the little hood prop receptacle "tang" weld onto the hoods to accept the hood prop on the passenger side at that point, allowing the hoods to be open much more than before. They also went to a different hood hinge at that time as well to allow the hood to open further. The main thing that you need to know is that your car is not supposed to have the hood badge that you see on the Ebay car; that much is absolutely for sure. As far as the body seam under the front edge of the door is concerned, it's been my understanding all these years that when they went to the square-cornered hood and square-cornered door cars, Rootes quit leading those seams in. I'm sure it was costly for them to do so and, even though it made the body look cleaner, it really served no purpose. Your car is what I believe Norm refers to as a "cross-over" car, meaning it has the square-cornered hood and doors of what would become a Mk1A trait, but still retains the metal top boot cover of the Series IV Alpine / Mk1 Tiger. Once again, your car is correct in showing the seam in question. Take care, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX Former best friend of B9473720LROFE :-) From jteepen at usatoday.com Wed Sep 10 11:38:29 2008 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:38:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Ebay Tiger/badge In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9FF002B4A98E0F4FB752C81A06F004E97251251B28@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> After piquing my curiosity regarding this car and finally looking at the pictures, I would venture to guess the front clip was replaced at some time long ago with an early Series Alpine piece. Plenty of power + barely adequate brakes = lots of replaced and/or repaired front sheetmetal. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rob Guerra Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:07 AM To: owain.lloyd at gmail.com; sralsten at ca.rr.com Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ebay Tiger/badge The hood came off an alpine On 9/10/08 7:54 AM, "Owain Lloyd" wrote: > it also has early SI-SIII alpine style sidelights. i personally prefer them. > same question - were they on the early cars of has it had the front > end repaired with alpine panels? > > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:44 PM, wrote: From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Sep 10 11:56:49 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:56:49 EDT Subject: [Tigers] steering rack gaitors/boots and steering u-joints Message-ID: Jim, If you are referring to steering rack boots try either Mustang PN D5RT-3332-B or Mercury (Capri) PN D5RY-3332-B. I think I used the Ford and it fit perfectly. Also these Ford boots have a wider flat spot where the clamp goes which means you can use the normal screw radiator hose clamps. I think the Mercury boots came with clamps. I would just bring your original along for comparison. Mark L **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From Rollright at aol.com Wed Sep 10 12:17:11 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:17:11 EDT Subject: [Tigers] steering rack boots Message-ID: Hello, Someone wrote to me with an idea that I think sounds right. That MGB boots will work on a Tiger rack. Is that correct? If so, Moss could supply. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From jimdamelio at cox.net Wed Sep 10 15:20:34 2008 From: jimdamelio at cox.net (Jim D'Amelio) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:20:34 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question In-Reply-To: <22166939.1559611221066309027.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web04-z02> Message-ID: I believe that seam was always open, but lead was used on the cowl and trunk areas. Maybe other places too. Chrysler bean counters did away with lead. Jim D -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jimdamelio=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jimdamelio=cox.net at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of sralsten at ca.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:05 PM To: Thomas Witt Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question Wow, that would really seem to damage the early car lead idea right ? 9470101 and 9473720 at opposite ends of the Mk1 both have the seam below the door ? Maybe there was incorrect body work on one or both of these cars ? Maybe the factory was not consistent in their treatment of this detail ? Steve ---- Thomas Witt wrote: > Steve, > >>>Since then I have been told that Jenson originally filled that seam with > >>>lead so early cars will not show a seam but latter ones will and both are > >>>correct.<<< > I have B9470101 and the lower seam is there. Given that my car has a skim > coat of Bondo on it, I assume the they didn't go to the trouble to create > the seam for no apparent reason. As I recall there is a seam near the top > of the fender and the cowl area. It is not on my car (could be the Bondo). > I recall seeing it on other cars. There are those who are far more versed > in this area than myself. But, I'm thinking maybe that is the seam (the > upper one) that someone was referring you to??? > Tom From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Sep 10 15:27:03 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:27:03 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question References: Message-ID: <001c01c9138b$f7865e50$0302a8c0@student2> >>>Chrysler bean counters did away with lead.<<< Given the list subjects of late, it appears Chrysler was, "ahead of its time!" :-) Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1664 - Release Date: 9/10/2008 6:00 AM From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Wed Sep 10 15:28:55 2008 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:28:55 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] steering rack gaitors/boots and steering u-joints In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jim, Ebay Auction #190250034862 Sayz... NEW STEERING RACK BOOT STEERING RACK BOOT KIT FOR YOUR MGB, TR7 AND JAGUAR. JAGUAR YEARS 1974 - 1987. SUNBEAM TIGER Paul > From: Rollright at aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:58:28 -0400> To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net> Subject: [Tigers] steering rack gaitors/boots and steering u-joints> > Hi there,> > Sunbeam Specialties is waiting for a shipment of boots from England. I can't > wait.> > I'm wondering if anyone knows a easy substitute for them from a more common > car.> > BTW: any crosses on the steering column u-joints ?> > Best regards as always,> > > Jim Armstrong> Mk 1A 382002083> LRXFE _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Sep 10 16:08:57 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] steering rack gaitors/boots and steering u-joints Message-ID: <810222.23656.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have purchased a set from him for the tiger MG rack swap, have not tried on the tiger. Quickly shipped as well. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Paul R. Breuhan To: rollright at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:28:55 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] steering rack gaitors/boots and steering u-joints Jim, Ebay Auction #190250034862 Sayz... NEW STEERING RACK BOOT STEERING RACK BOOT KIT FOR YOUR MGB, TR7 AND JAGUAR. JAGUAR YEARS 1974 - 1987. SUNBEAM TIGER Paul > From: Rollright at aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:58:28 -0400> To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net> Subject: [Tigers] steering rack gaitors/boots and steering u-joints> > Hi there,> > Sunbeam Specialties is waiting for a shipment of boots from England. I can't > wait.> > I'm wondering if anyone knows a easy substitute for them from a more common > car.> > BTW: any crosses on the steering column u-joints ?> > Best regards as always,> > > Jim Armstrong> Mk 1A 382002083> LRXFE _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Wed Sep 10 16:34:39 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:34:39 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question In-Reply-To: <22166939.1559611221066309027.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web04-z02> References: <22166939.1559611221066309027.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web04-z02> Message-ID: <48C84B7F.3040300@SoCal.rr.com> Tigers, Tom, and Steve R. My never damaged Tiger Mk I (*B9472289*) has the seam on the front seams of the rocker panel and cowl, and rounded corners on the rear door edge and hood. But no seam on the rear of the rocker panel, below door rear edge. See TigersUnited.com *Owners Garage * for pics of my car, and a great many others cars, including Maxwell Smart AND Don Adams, Theo Smit's Mk IA, and even *Tom Witt* :-) , and Lew Spencer's car in "*Marketing Materials* ". Norman (TBON) (/pp 159/) states that from *B947001* to _about_ *B9473100* had rounded corners at the back edges of the hood, doors, and deck lid. The body was leaded in the front fender-cowl, front seams of rocker panels. As well as the many more details in The Book. Thanks, Norman for your efforts. Steve (Only the one who's had the name the longest should use it without initials Heck, I've had it before */Steve Canyon/* (Who, you ask?) ;-) ) __ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com sralsten at ca.rr.com wrote: > Wow, that would really seem to damage the early car lead idea right ? > *9470101* and *9473720* at opposite ends of the Mk1 both have the seam > below the door ? Maybe there was incorrect body work on one or both of these cars ? Maybe the factory was not consistent in their treatment of this detail ? > > Steve > > ---- Thomas Witt wrote: > >> Steve, >> >>>>> Since then I have been told that Jenson originally filled that seam with >>>>> lead so early cars will not show a seam but latter ones will and both are >>>>> correct.<<< >>>>> >> I have B9470101 and the lower seam is there. Given that my car has a skim >> coat of Bondo on it, I assume the they didn't go to the trouble to create >> the seam for no apparent reason. As I recall there is a seam near the top >> of the fender and the cowl area. It is not on my car (could be the Bondo). >> I recall seeing it on other cars. There are those who are far more versed >> in this area than myself. But, I'm thinking maybe that is the seam (the >> upper one) that someone was referring you to??? >> Tom From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Sep 10 16:39:49 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:39:49 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F2A7@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> At SUNI 3 in Big Sky, Doug Jennings indicated that the preferred way to do seam filling now is to use body filler (or high-build primer) over etching epoxy primer. The lead and steel in leaded joints cause electrolytic corrosion as soon as it gets wet, and it comes loose over time as well as accelerating the corrosion of either the lead or the steel at the seam. Lead might still be the hot-rod choice but that's only because it's properly old-school, not because it's the best. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: September 10, 2008 3:27 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question >>>Chrysler bean counters did away with lead.<<< Given the list subjects of late, it appears Chrysler was, "ahead of its time!" :-) Tom From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 16:47:13 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:47:13 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] steering rack gaitors/boots and steering u-joints In-Reply-To: <810222.23656.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <810222.23656.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0809101547w6868c7fdj7d56258230d8f09c@mail.gmail.com> note that mg midget rack gaitors (used on the rack swap) are not the same as tiger ones. can't commend on mgb - they may well be the same. On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 11:08 PM, Sandy Ganz wrote: > I have purchased a set from him for the tiger MG rack swap, have not tried on > the tiger. Quickly shipped as well. > Sandy > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: > Paul R. Breuhan > To: rollright at aol.com; > tigers at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:28:55 PM > Subject: > Re: [Tigers] steering rack gaitors/boots and steering u-joints > > Jim, > Ebay > Auction #190250034862 > > Sayz... > NEW STEERING RACK BOOT > STEERING RACK BOOT KIT > FOR YOUR MGB, TR7 AND JAGUAR. > JAGUAR YEARS 1974 - 1987. > SUNBEAM TIGER > > Paul >> From: Rollright at aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:58:28 -0400> To: > tigers at Autox.Team.Net> Subject: [Tigers] steering rack gaitors/boots and > steering u-joints> > Hi there,> > Sunbeam Specialties is waiting for a > shipment of boots from England. I can't > wait.> > I'm wondering if anyone > knows a easy substitute for them from a more common > car.> > BTW: any crosses > on the steering column u-joints ?> > Best regards as always,> > > Jim > Armstrong> Mk 1A 382002083> LRXFE > _________________________________________________________________ > Get more out > of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 > F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Wed Sep 10 18:34:56 2008 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:34:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] rocker seem Message-ID: <001a01c913a6$37531360$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> my car 382001173 I think from looking at the original unrestored pixs had the seems, they have been filled now with the restoration, it's a square corner hood and door car, Clyde From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Wed Sep 10 18:35:10 2008 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:35:10 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: <001e01c913a6$3f9136b0$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> From Landcmitch at aol.com Wed Sep 10 19:00:21 2008 From: Landcmitch at aol.com (Landcmitch at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:00:21 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question Message-ID: I can guarantee that my car, 9470574, which I have had since birth (the car's, not mine) never had the front rocker panel/fender seam leaded, and, since recently viewing my car naked, i.e., stripped to bare metal, that the cowl and trunk seams were leaded around the round cornered hood and trunk lid. At which point this practice was changed, I don't know, but it appears that the BON is in error on the rocker panel question but I have not seen the book. Charlie In a message dated 9/10/2008 8:31:43 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sralsten at ca.rr.com writes: In the course of my Tiger shopping I brought a car to Dale A to inspect for me. He reccomended a pass. One of the reasons he pointed out (in addition to rust) was it had some bad body work and he speciffically pointed to the front edge bottom of the doors. He said there is supposed to be a seam running down through the rockers to the bottom edge of the car that falls in line with the forward edge of the doors. Some time passed and I attended Tigers United 31. Remembering Dales comment I noticed several cars that looked great to me did not have this seam. Dale later said in another conversation there are a "lot of cars with bad bodywork". Since then I have been told that Jenson originally filled that seam with lead so early cars will not show a seam but latter ones will and both are correct. I have a lot of faith in Dale and in the guy who explained the lead fill idea but they seem to conflict. I don't have a BON but does it shed any light on this ? BTW, chassis B9473720 clearly has the seam and no indication of bodywork in that area. Thanks Steve You are subscribed as landcmitch at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From mrlau at charter.net Wed Sep 10 19:39:53 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:39:53 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F2A7@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <20080911013957.BRDO29012.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> If you want to do this with (Body Putty) make sure that you don't use a polyester filler because it will allow moisture to travel through it because it is porous. Use fiber glass reinforced filler, which is also stronger. Actually anytime you even have a weld that you can't completely and absolutely guarantee that no moisture will ever touch from the back side, it is necessary to use the glass filler (or a quality primer in some cases) for the first coat. Don't think your weld doesn't have holes in it. The glass is harder to shape or get smooth so the second coat can be polyester to make that easier. New rockers are one example of this situation. Modern fillers are way better than lead ever hoped to be, just as modern paints are far superior to the old enamel or lacquer. -- Bill -- At SUNI 3 in Big Sky, Doug Jennings indicated that the preferred way to do seam filling now is to use body filler (or high-build primer) over etching epoxy primer. The lead and steel in leaded joints cause electrolytic corrosion as soon as it gets wet, and it comes loose over time as well as accelerating the corrosion of either the lead or the steel at the seam. Lead might still be the hot-rod choice but that's only because it's properly old-school, not because it's the best. Theo From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 19:47:30 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:47:30 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question In-Reply-To: <20080911013957.BRDO29012.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F2A7@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> <20080911013957.BRDO29012.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: OK, hope this is not a silly question... Why not weld the seams? Will it distort the sills? Surely it would help stiffen the car and it is unlikely to let water in.. or drop out. has anyone done this.. ? -- Regards Michael King From sralsten at ca.rr.com Wed Sep 10 21:59:37 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:59:37 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question References: <22166939.1559611221066309027.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web04-z02> <48C84B7F.3040300@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <001201c913c2$cfd166c0$6801a8c0@DELL4600> B9473720 has seams at both front and rear of doors through the rockers. It has square hood and doors but rounded trunk. I am lead free for health. ;^) Steve R (to make that other Steve happy) ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Laifman To: sralsten at ca.rr.com Cc: Thomas Witt ; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question Tigers, Tom, and Steve R. My never damaged Tiger Mk I (B9472289) has the seam on the front seams of the rocker panel and cowl, and rounded corners on the rear door edge and hood. But no seam on the rear of the rocker panel, below door rear edge. See TigersUnited.com Owners Garage for pics of my car, and a great many others cars, including Maxwell Smart AND Don Adams, Theo Smit's Mk IA, and even Tom Witt :-) , and Lew Spencer's car in "Marketing Materials". Norman (TBON) (pp 159) states that from B947001 to about B9473100 had rounded corners at the back edges of the hood, doors, and deck lid. The body was leaded in the front fender-cowl, front seams of rocker panels. As well as the many more details in The Book. Thanks, Norman for your efforts. Steve (Only the one who's had the name the longest should use it without initials Heck, I've had it before Steve Canyon (Who, you ask?) ;-) ) __ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com sralsten at ca.rr.com wrote: Wow, that would really seem to damage the early car lead idea right ? 9470101 and 9473720 at opposite ends of the Mk1 both have the seam below the door ? Maybe there was incorrect body work on one or both of these cars ? Maybe the factory was not consistent in their treatment of this detail ? Steve ---- Thomas Witt wrote: Steve, Since then I have been told that Jenson originally filled that seam with lead so early cars will not show a seam but latter ones will and both are correct.<<< I have B9470101 and the lower seam is there. Given that my car has a skim coat of Bondo on it, I assume the they didn't go to the trouble to create the seam for no apparent reason. As I recall there is a seam near the top of the fender and the cowl area. It is not on my car (could be the Bondo). I recall seeing it on other cars. There are those who are far more versed in this area than myself. But, I'm thinking maybe that is the seam (the upper one) that someone was referring you to??? Tom From sralsten at ca.rr.com Wed Sep 10 22:41:00 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:41:00 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Open up my soft top Message-ID: <000501c913c8$977e8d10$6801a8c0@DELL4600> I know my car carried a full time hardtop for over 30 years. It's now off and I've opened up the back. I found a top that was covered with that soft corrugated cardboardbox type material that comes on rolls. It was quite neatly arranged and can be seen just as I first saw it in the below picture.. I'm curious if anyone on the list ever saw and remembers how this top came from the factory. When I saw the way it was packed it occured to me that perhaps it had never been opened. The softop material is quite soft and seems usable except for the yellowed window. The rubber and the silicone like joint sealers that tie the material to the frame completely shatter at the slightest touch. I got the left side of top up and connected to the windshield but the rt side would not raise high enough to clear the behind door post. It was kind of in my plan to ask for "where do I go from here" advice at the next CAT fix in. Steve R PICTURE http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/SOFT%20TOP%20OPENING%201.jpg From Randyalbuq at aol.com Wed Sep 10 23:46:45 2008 From: Randyalbuq at aol.com (Randyalbuq at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 01:46:45 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question Message-ID: E - coating is the best way to seal mosture out of a car body **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From marden at mistral.co.uk Thu Sep 11 06:00:59 2008 From: marden at mistral.co.uk (marden at mistral.co.uk) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:00:59 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Message-ID: <54889.1221134459@mistral.co.uk> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Hi guys. Take a look at this tiger for sale in the UK at ONLY B#40,000 ($75,000 approx). All this and petrol still at over $10 a gallon. My regards to you all, Martin. ------------------------- Message sent via KC WebMail - http://webmail.mistral.net/ From marden at mistral.co.uk Thu Sep 11 06:06:16 2008 From: marden at mistral.co.uk (marden at mistral.co.uk) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:06:16 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Message-ID: <55063.1221134776@mistral.co.uk> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } I forgot to put the link. www.hurstpark.co.uk/tiger.htm [1] ------------------------- Message sent via KC WebMail - http://webmail.mistral.net/ Links: ------ [1] http://www.hurstpark.co.uk/tiger.htm From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Sep 11 06:26:29 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:26:29 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank covers Message-ID: What is the correct trunk material that covers the area hiding the gas tanks? My car came with black plastic about 1/4" thick. Is this stock? Did anyone else find this? Mark **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 06:36:27 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:36:27 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale In-Reply-To: <55063.1221134776@mistral.co.uk> References: <55063.1221134776@mistral.co.uk> Message-ID: <39a841b0809110536m66f9b292t8e089c502fe4047c@mail.gmail.com> nice car but those door rolls and seat covers look like restorations to me. so if its only gone 21k how come the interior needed redoing? On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:06 PM, wrote: > BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } I > forgot to put the link. www.hurstpark.co.uk/tiger.htm [1] > ------------------------- > Message sent via KC WebMail - http://webmail.mistral.net/ > > Links: > ------ > [1] http://www.hurstpark.co.uk/tiger.htm > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From wseay at embarqmail.com Thu Sep 11 07:17:37 2008 From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:17:37 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale References: <55063.1221134776@mistral.co.uk> Message-ID: <8D84C8A1138D4E2889FDD2B5CF99C487@xpseay> Do I see a pair or rear seats? Will - B382001570 ____________________________ Will Seay wseay at embarqmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:06 AM Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } I forgot to put the link. www.hurstpark.co.uk/tiger.htm [1] ------------------------- Message sent via KC WebMail - http://webmail.mistral.net/ Links: ------ [1] http://www.hurstpark.co.uk/tiger.htm You are subscribed as wseay at embarqmail.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From wseay at embarqmail.com Thu Sep 11 07:29:44 2008 From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:29:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank covers References: Message-ID: <4E4631199F874486BDDF27153F00F3FD@xpseay> Mark, The original material used for the trunk side panels was a kind of fiber board, not plastic. A textured pattern was pressed into the surface. All in all, pretty cheezey stuff, The plastic repros will probably endure much better than the original. The plastic panels look pretty much like the originals, but are sort of slick to the touch whereas the originals weren't slick at all. I don't know of any repros that are closer to the originals than the plastic ones described. Will - B382001570 ____________________________ Will Seay wseay at embarqmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:26 AM Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank covers What is the correct trunk material that covers the area hiding the gas tanks? My car came with black plastic about 1/4" thick. Is this stock? Did anyone else find this? Mark From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Sep 11 07:34:31 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:34:31 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank covers Message-ID: Just curious. I thought maybe some company had manufactured the plastic replacements. My plastics are in storage. I opted for "non-original". I carpeted my trunk and put carpet over 1/4" plywood to cover the tanks. Mark- ----- -- -- - **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Sep 11 07:43:53 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:43:53 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank covers Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F2AB@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> They might be SS pieces? My Tiger has the plastic covers, but my Alpine parts car came with pressboard covered in vinyl for the gas tank covers. That seems much more OEM to me... Theo From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Sep 11 08:23:30 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:23:30 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank covers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <40437C9E96574AAA81F6641DD026547E@ronpc1> Mark The original covers were made from press board, I think that is what it was called, and had the black grain finish embossed on one side. The press board would swell and almost fall apart when it was exposed to water or liquid. Plastic covers are probably replacements from SS. SS list durable plastic , set of 4, in the catalog. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:26 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank covers What is the correct trunk material that covers the area hiding the gas tanks? My car came with black plastic about 1/4" thick. Is this stock? Did anyone else find this? Mark **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1664 - Release Date: 9/10/2008 6:00 AM From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Sep 11 09:25:46 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:25:46 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank covers Message-ID: I wonder what the "set of 4" consists of....sides and 2 pieces to cover the cross over pipe? M **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From zimme008 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 09:32:42 2008 From: zimme008 at yahoo.com (Randy Zimmermann) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank covers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <965106.60534.qm@web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com> The set includes 2 large panels that cover the R & L gas tanks and 2 smaller panels that cover the tank connector pipes at the rear of the trunk area. Randy Z./ Duluth, MN B382002349 --- On Thu, 9/11/08, CoolVT at aol.com wrote: From: CoolVT at aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas tank covers To: rfraser at bluefrog.com, tigers at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 10:25 AM I wonder what the "set of 4" consists of....sides and 2 pieces to cover the cross over pipe? M **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) You are subscribed as zimme008 at yahoo.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Thu Sep 11 09:54:12 2008 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:54:12 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank covers In-Reply-To: <965106.60534.qm@web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <965106.60534.qm@web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: For non-concours cars/people a cheap alternative can be made with black mat board found at a frame shop or art supply store...less than $10...but you need to be handy with a cutting knife and have/make a pattern. I didn't want the factory tail light holes and a smooth finish look to my panels, plus the black goes all the way through so it won't look scratched. http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/some/CarTrunk1.jpg http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/some/CarTrunk4.jpg Paul _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life togetherat home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Thu Sep 11 09:59:16 2008 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:59:16 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank covers In-Reply-To: References: <965106.60534.qm@web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oops...PS...I used velcro squares on the back side so you can't see any screws or other marks on the panels. Paul > From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com> To: tigers at autox.team.net> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:54:12 -0400> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gas tank covers> > For non-concours cars/people a cheap alternative can be made with black mat> board found at a frame shop or art supply store...less than $10...but you need> to be handy with a cutting knife and have/make a pattern.> > I didn't want the factory tail light holes and a smooth finish look to my> panels, plus the black goes all the way through so it won't look scratched.> > http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/some/CarTrunk1.jpg> > http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/some/CarTrunk4.jpg> > Paul _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From mrlau at charter.net Thu Sep 11 10:12:12 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:12:12 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080911161216.BMLL10008.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> I would be afraid of moisture from the inside fender area and inside the rocker panel. Any metal heated to weld temperature needs to be treated with chemicals to be cleaned up and then painted to keep it from rusting and it would be next to impossible to get to it. I think that is why many people like to fill the whole area smoothly because to repair that area with an open seam where the quarter corner fits over the rocker panel is impossible without welding and then not being able to seal it completely. If one wanted it to look original, just file a groove in the putty before painting. That would be a chore to get it to look good but it depends on what you want. Mike there are no silly questions because there are a variety of people that have a variety of abilities and that's what makes the list work. Something easy for one to answer is difficult for another and vise versa. -- Bill -- -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mrlau=charter.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mrlau=charter.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:48 PM To: William Lau Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question OK, hope this is not a silly question... Why not weld the seams? Will it distort the sills? Surely it would help stiffen the car and it is unlikely to let water in.. or drop out. has anyone done this.. ? t From Sjhcobra1 at cs.com Thu Sep 11 10:29:37 2008 From: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Sjhcobra1 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:29:37 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank covers Message-ID: <6CE529FC.5AD9256D.028BE4CD@cs.com> Mark: The original panels in my Tigers were masonite with a black leather-looking texture on the outside. Sunbeam Specialties offers a very nice set of ABS, Haircel One-Side/ Smooth One-Side panels. The side panels are very exact and include drilling marks on the backside. The cross-over panels need some trimming and you must locate your own drill holes. The SS parts look realy good and are much more durable than the original panels. Steve Halbrook CoolVT at aol.com wrote: >What is the correct trunk material that covers the area hiding the gas >tanks? My car came with black plastic about 1/4" thick. Is this stock? Did >anyone else find this? >Mark > > > >**************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, >plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. >(http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as sjhcobra1 at cs.com > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive From mgman71 at comcast.net Thu Sep 11 10:36:42 2008 From: mgman71 at comcast.net (mgman71 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:36:42 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER Message-ID: <091120081636.23330.48C9491A000E50FA00005B222202888744CEC9020E030903@comcast.net> Hi: Question I have is that I am in need of a new HARMONIC BALANCER for my car is the stock S/B 260 harmonic balancer the same as the one that is on a 65 MK1 tiger. Thanks George From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Thu Sep 11 11:10:05 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:10:05 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Another Tiger seam question In-Reply-To: <001201c913c2$cfd166c0$6801a8c0@DELL4600> References: <22166939.1559611221066309027.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web04-z02> <48C84B7F.3040300@SoCal.rr.com> <001201c913c2$cfd166c0$6801a8c0@DELL4600> Message-ID: <48C950ED.10708@SoCal.rr.com> Steve, Seems you have the "crossover" body per Normans "about /B9473100/", getting towards the Mk IA. Probably has the metal boot covers. BTW: Please note the"smiley wink face" ( ;-) ) about names. Just a joke. It's your name, use it as you please. Sure a lot of "Steve's" on this list. Wonder if name influences interest. I am positive last names do, like "Hilton". Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Ralsten wrote: > *B9473720* has seams at both front and rear of doors through the > rockers. It has square > hood and doors but rounded trunk. I am lead free for health. ;^) > > Steve R (to make that other Steve happy) From mrlau at charter.net Thu Sep 11 11:22:48 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:22:48 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER In-Reply-To: <091120081636.23330.48C9491A000E50FA00005B222202888744CEC9020E030903@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20080911172252.GRPW29012.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> If it just the rubber in yours that has slipped or gotten bad that can be replaced so you can keep the original. -- Bill -- Subject: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER Hi: Question I have is that I am in need of a new HARMONIC BALANCER for my car is the stock S/B 260 harmonic balancer the same as the one that is on a 65 MK1 tiger. Thanks George _______________________________________________ From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Sep 11 11:27:03 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:27:03 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F2AF@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> If you want one that is not necessarily OEM, then the Professional Products balancers are inexpensive and very nicely made. They come with the proper (3") overall length, a black finish with 3 sets of timing marks engraved and filled with white ink, and 3 and 4 hole pulley patterns on the front. They have both SFI and non-SFI versions. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Lau Sent: September 11, 2008 11:23 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER If it just the rubber in yours that has slipped or gotten bad that can be replaced so you can keep the original. -- Bill -- Subject: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER Hi: Question I have is that I am in need of a new HARMONIC BALANCER for my car is the stock S/B 260 harmonic balancer the same as the one that is on a 65 MK1 tiger. Thanks George _______________________________________________ You are subscribed as theo.smit at dynastream.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Thu Sep 11 11:34:09 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:34:09 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale In-Reply-To: <55063.1221134776@mistral.co.uk> References: <55063.1221134776@mistral.co.uk> Message-ID: <48C95691.1050305@SoCal.rr.com> "Marden" and Owain, Nice pics. I notice that the boot compartment is "custom", but the door panels are "GT", which came with the body color hard top. Heck, a steal at $40,000, but at # 40,000 ($ 69,961) + transportation it's a bit dearer. With such low mileage, it might be a good buy. (if the "#" symbol does not come through, it's GB Pounds) One pic shows elaborate red rear shelf cushions, including restraints, but no idea what would fit there except a medium sized dog, or smaller. :-) ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com marden at mistral.co.uk wrote: > BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } I > forgot to put the link. www.hurstpark.co.uk/tiger.htm [1] > ------------------------- From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Thu Sep 11 11:43:35 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:43:35 EDT Subject: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER Message-ID: SFI ?? In a message dated 9/11/2008 10:27:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Theo.Smit at dynastream.com writes: If you want one that is not necessarily OEM, then the Professional Products balancers are inexpensive and very nicely made. They come with the proper (3") overall length, a black finish with 3 sets of timing marks engraved and filled with white ink, and 3 and 4 hole pulley patterns on the front. They have both SFI and non-SFI versions. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Lau Sent: September 11, 2008 11:23 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER If it just the rubber in yours that has slipped or gotten bad that can be replaced so you can keep the original. -- Bill -- Subject: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER Hi: Question I have is that I am in need of a new HARMONIC BALANCER for my car is the stock S/B 260 harmonic balancer the same as the one that is on a 65 MK1 tiger. Thanks George _______________________________________________ You are subscribed as theo.smit at dynastream.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as aaaglasss at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From stubrennan at comcast.net Thu Sep 11 11:49:56 2008 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:49:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank covers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c91436$ce3f3c50$6601a8c0@Brennan> The original isn't plastic, it was a cardboard fiberboard sort of stuff, coated with something like black paint or vinyl. The kind of stuff that puffs up and weakens when wet. The plastic ones are the replacements sold by several of the usual Sunbeam vendors. Stu -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+stubrennan=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+stubrennan=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:26 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank covers What is the correct trunk material that covers the area hiding the gas tanks? My car came with black plastic about 1/4" thick. Is this stock? Did anyone else find this? Mark **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 11:59:13 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale In-Reply-To: <8D84C8A1138D4E2889FDD2B5CF99C487@xpseay> Message-ID: <465024.34614.qm@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I saw those "looks like seats" w/ what appears to be seperated. Perhaps just made to fit, rolled and pleated for looks or small kids. During the years my second 1A was a daily driver I always had one of the two kids in the back. When they got to big and always fought I found another daily driver. I put several thousand miles on that car with only the generator going out and a leak in one gas tank. Bought a used generator, tested at the junk yard for ten bucks and later the same guy welded up the tank for another ten. I was elated both times, although I did buy a new generator and kept the used one just in case. I bet it is still amongest the bits and pieces. Remeber the date today. TtT --- On Thu, 9/11/08, Will Seay wrote: > From: Will Seay > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger for sale > To: marden at mistral.co.uk, tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 8:17 AM > Do I see a pair or rear seats? > > Will - B382001570 > ____________________________ > Will Seay wseay at embarqmail.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 8:06 AM > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale > > > BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, > sans-serif;font-size:12px; } I > forgot to put the link. www.hurstpark.co.uk/tiger.htm [1] > ------------------------- > Message sent via KC WebMail - http://webmail.mistral.net/ > > Links: > ------ > [1] http://www.hurstpark.co.uk/tiger.htm > You are subscribed as wseay at embarqmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as achd73 at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Thu Sep 11 11:58:45 2008 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:58:45 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER In-Reply-To: <20080911172252.GRPW29012.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> References: <091120081636.23330.48C9491A000E50FA00005B222202888744CEC9020E030903@comcast.net> <20080911172252.GRPW29012.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: "Damper Doc" (John Wyss) of Redding, CA did my 302 damper in 2002 and a friend of mines 347 stroker, both very nice jobs. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Lau Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:23 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER If it just the rubber in yours that has slipped or gotten bad that can be replaced so you can keep the original. -- Bill -- Subject: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER Hi: Question I have is that I am in need of a new HARMONIC BALANCER for my car is the stock S/B 260 harmonic balancer the same as the one that is on a 65 MK1 tiger. Thanks George _______________________________________________ You are subscribed as jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Sep 11 12:03:17 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:03:17 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F2B0@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> http://www.sfifoundation.com/ In 6 words, designed and certified for competition use. Theo ________________________________ From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com [mailto:AAAGLASSS at aol.com] Sent: September 11, 2008 11:44 AM To: Smit, Theo; mrlau at charter.net; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER SFI ?? In a message dated 9/11/2008 10:27:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Theo.Smit at dynastream.com writes: If you want one that is not necessarily OEM, then the Professional Products balancers are inexpensive and very nicely made. They come with the proper (3") overall length, a black finish with 3 sets of timing marks engraved and filled with white ink, and 3 and 4 hole pulley patterns on the front. They have both SFI and non-SFI versions. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Lau Sent: September 11, 2008 11:23 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER If it just the rubber in yours that has slipped or gotten bad that can be replaced so you can keep the original. -- Bill -- Subject: [Tigers] HARMONIC BALANCER Hi: Question I have is that I am in need of a new HARMONIC BALANCER for my car is the stock S/B 260 harmonic balancer the same as the one that is on a 65 MK1 tiger. Thanks George _______________________________________________ You are subscribed as theo.smit at dynastream.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as aaaglasss at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive ________________________________ Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com . From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 12:06:32 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank covers In-Reply-To: <000001c91436$ce3f3c50$6601a8c0@Brennan> Message-ID: <255283.79920.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If memory serves, the gas tank covers where made of plywood and covered with the same material as the spare tire/trunk platfor. They had a piece of thin angle rivetted on each cover to help support the trunk platform. They didnt fair well out of the car as heat helped the covering to come unglued and the wood and any moisture made the outer edges very brittle- maybe even the heat help more so. I kept some as patterns in the bits and pieces area . TtT --- On Thu, 9/11/08, Stu Brennan wrote: From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 11 12:07:46 2008 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:07:46 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Harmonic Balancer Message-ID: <001101c91439$4bde21b0$6401a8c0@your03667082de> "If you want one that is not necessarily OEM, then the Professional Products balancers are inexpensive and very nicely made. They come with the proper (3") overall length, a black finish with 3 sets of timing marks engraved and filled with white ink, and 3 and 4 hole pulley patterns on the front." I tried to use one of those on my rebuilt 1964 260 and found it hit part of the timing cover and would not seat completely. It was listed as fitting all Ford small blocks from 260 - 302. Some where along the line, maybe from the 260 to the 289, the timing cover was changed. So I bought a new "original style" balancer and it fit perfectly. On Ebay there is one listed for $46 # 150291380194 . Jeff From awtiger at cox.net Thu Sep 11 12:29:18 2008 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:29:18 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank covers In-Reply-To: <255283.79920.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080911142918.FHRIU.4208.imail@eastrmwml10> > If memory serves, the gas tank covers where made of plywood and >covered with the same material as the spare tire/trunk platfor. Nope. The gas tank covers were, as other people have replied, a grained pressboard. No plywood tank covers were ever supplies by Rootes for the Series Alpines or Tigers. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX From dave at munroe.ca Thu Sep 11 12:30:27 2008 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:30:27 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Rear End Gears In-Reply-To: <000001c91436$ce3f3c50$6601a8c0@Brennan> References: <000001c91436$ce3f3c50$6601a8c0@Brennan> Message-ID: <35930B5772B74F02A4FF77A60BB07BE7@DavePC> Hey guys: Another path to pursue to make my Tiger more user-friendly: My car came to me fitted with 3:07 gears in the rear end. It turns about 3,000 rpm at 60 mph. Thinking a set of original 2:88's would bring the engine revs down to make the car more relaxed to drive at highway speeds, including less noise, vibration, and even perhaps improved fuel economy, I picked up a set off eBay. Unfortunately, my local Jeep guy who has a LOT of experience with Dana 44's is reluctant to put them in my car. He says often eBay rear-end gears will not take a pattern and it is a huge expensive hassle to remove a good set of gears, replace them with used ones of questionable lineage, find out they are "bad", and have to do it all over again just to get back to ground zero. He quoted me approximately 8 hours labour for one "cycle". (old gears out: new gears in). The ones I have purchased look excellent, very little wear, (only a shiny spot where the teeth were in contact, a "good" pattern) an came complete with the spider gears and cage. Does anyone have any experience or advice on this change back to original? Thanks, Dave From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Sep 11 12:37:01 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:37:01 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Harmonic Balancer Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F2B1@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> That's not good... I used the 50 oz-in one on a 5.0 (because it was short and had the 3 bolt pulley pattern) and it worked fine there, and that's with the original (5-bolt 289) timing cover. I bolted this together a few years ago... I should have a look and see if I maybe modified something there, but I don't recall any issues. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols Sent: September 11, 2008 12:08 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Harmonic Balancer "If you want one that is not necessarily OEM, then the Professional Products balancers are inexpensive and very nicely made. They come with the proper (3") overall length, a black finish with 3 sets of timing marks engraved and filled with white ink, and 3 and 4 hole pulley patterns on the front." I tried to use one of those on my rebuilt 1964 260 and found it hit part of the timing cover and would not seat completely. It was listed as fitting all Ford small blocks from 260 - 302. Some where along the line, maybe from the 260 to the 289, the timing cover was changed. So I bought a new "original style" balancer and it fit perfectly. On Ebay there is one listed for $46 # 150291380194 . Jeff You are subscribed as theo.smit at dynastream.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Thu Sep 11 13:23:25 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:23:25 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Harmonic Balancer In-Reply-To: <001101c91439$4bde21b0$6401a8c0@your03667082de> References: <001101c91439$4bde21b0$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: <48C9702D.70101@SoCal.rr.com> Jeff and Tigers, As per usual, TigersUnited.com has the original _*Parts List*_ which shows, under "Engine (Motor) Section AF" an exploded view of the Motor Damper. It is identified as a FORD part No. C4OZ-6316316A. The pulley and dampener are separate listings. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Jeffrey Nichols wrote: > "If you want one that is not necessarily OEM, then the Professional > Products balancers are inexpensive and very nicely made. They come with > the proper (3") overall length, a black finish with 3 sets of timing > marks engraved and filled with white ink, and 3 and 4 hole pulley > patterns on the front." > > > I tried to use one of those on my rebuilt 1964 260 and found it hit part of > the timing cover and would not seat completely. It was listed as fitting all > Ford small blocks from 260 - 302. Some where along the line, maybe from the > 260 to the 289, the timing cover was changed. So I bought a new "original > style" balancer and it fit perfectly. On Ebay there is one listed for $46 # > 150291380194 . > > > > > Jeff From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Thu Sep 11 13:28:44 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:28:44 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Harmonic Balancer (whoops) In-Reply-To: <48C9702D.70101@SoCal.rr.com> References: <001101c91439$4bde21b0$6401a8c0@your03667082de> <48C9702D.70101@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <48C9716C.7030209@SoCal.rr.com> Well, My fingers must have "stuttered". The Part No. should be C4OZ-6316-A. :-( Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Laifman wrote: > Jeff and Tigers, > > As per usual, TigersUnited.com has the original _*Parts List*_ > which > shows, under "Engine (Motor) Section AF" an exploded view of the Motor > Damper. It is identified as a FORD part No. C4OZ-6316316A. The pulley > and dampener are separate listings. > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Thu Sep 11 13:29:58 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:29:58 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Harmonic Balancer (whoops) Message-ID: The dreaded Fat Finger syndrome. In a message dated 9/11/2008 12:29:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com writes: Well, My fingers must have "stuttered". The Part No. should be C4OZ-6316-A. :-( Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Laifman wrote: > Jeff and Tigers, > > As per usual, TigersUnited.com has the original _*Parts List*_ > which > shows, under "Engine (Motor) Section AF" an exploded view of the Motor > Damper. It is identified as a FORD part No. C4OZ-6316316A. The pulley > and dampener are separate listings. > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com You are subscribed as aaaglasss at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From atwittsend at verizon.net Thu Sep 11 13:36:14 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:36:14 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rear End Gears References: <000001c91436$ce3f3c50$6601a8c0@Brennan> <35930B5772B74F02A4FF77A60BB07BE7@DavePC> Message-ID: <00b601c91445$a6eb30a0$0302a8c0@student2> Dave, I did it out of necessity. The PO had allowed water to get into the housing and all the bearings were shot. Shot to the point that one had spun and wore about .035 off a press fit on the carrier. I bought a used replacement carrier and gears from Dale A. I made my own case spreader and configured a pinion depth gage. I followed the manual regarding the shims and in the end felt I got everything very close (within half a thousand on the back lash and .0015 on the ring gear runout). Frankly, I found it very hard to get a reading on the mesh. The recommended product to read the gears is, dare I say (of late), "lead" paste. Some might cringe, but in the end I used fine valve lapping paste to leave a dull pattern. I later cleaned this up with a few swipes of 600 grit paper. From what I could tell I was extremely close to the original mark. Your rear end guy obviously would be better equipped, but to me the hardest part was setting the pinion depth. I put the race in the freeze, and heated the case with a propane torch. It dropped right in. I think it took me less than 10 seconds to get the reading, but I had to hammer rather hard on a closet pole sized wooden dowel to get the race back out. I would love to tell you the outcome, but after 8 years my Tiger is still on jackstands. I'm not sure what you paid for the gears, but perhaps the difference between them and new gears might be worth the cost for your piece of mind going with new. Me, I'm just cheap and if my gears whine I'll probably protect the bearings, apply the fine valve paste and see what happens. When I was a kid I was enamored with the movie the "Flight of the Phoenix.." I guess that is where I get my 'I'll make it work even if by unconventional means' perspective. Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.20/1666 - Release Date: 9/11/2008 7:03 AM From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 11 13:59:39 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:59:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Gas tank covers In-Reply-To: <20080911142918.FHRIU.4208.imail@eastrmwml10> Message-ID: <719797.85477.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It looks as tho I stand corrected.Glad I included, if memory serves. I still own a set, not in great shape but I for sure wouldnt try to reach them where they are located. My apologises on not be correct and THNAS for keeping my memory in order. TtT --- On Thu, 9/11/08, awtiger at cox.net wrote: >> Nope. The gas tank covers were, as other people have > replied, a grained pressboard. No plywood tank covers were > ever supplies by Rootes for the Series Alpines or Tigers. > > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE > B9006857LRX From sganz at pacbell.net Thu Sep 11 17:07:14 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Harmonic Balancer Message-ID: <8630.4026.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have one that had the same issue, don't remember the brand but likely was the same (From Summit). I had to clean up the bottom of the waterpump a bit with a file and it was all fine. The one I had was nice except just a tick larger. Removable weights (28, 50) which is good for flexibility, and various options since it was a flat face version you had a few spacer options that came with it. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "Smit, Theo" To: Jeffrey Nichols ; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:37:01 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Harmonic Balancer That's not good... I used the 50 oz-in one on a 5.0 (because it was short and had the 3 bolt pulley pattern) and it worked fine there, and that's with the original (5-bolt 289) timing cover. I bolted this together a few years ago... I should have a look and see if I maybe modified something there, but I don't recall any issues. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols Sent: September 11, 2008 12:08 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Harmonic Balancer "If you want one that is not necessarily OEM, then the Professional Products balancers are inexpensive and very nicely made. They come with the proper (3") overall length, a black finish with 3 sets of timing marks engraved and filled with white ink, and 3 and 4 hole pulley patterns on the front." I tried to use one of those on my rebuilt 1964 260 and found it hit part of the timing cover and would not seat completely. It was listed as fitting all Ford small blocks from 260 - 302. Some where along the line, maybe from the 260 to the 289, the timing cover was changed. So I bought a new "original style" balancer and it fit perfectly. On Ebay there is one listed for $46 # 150291380194 . Jeff You are subscribed as theo.smit at dynastream.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Sep 11 17:09:07 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:09:07 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale In-Reply-To: <48C95691.1050305@SoCal.rr.com> References: <55063.1221134776@mistral.co.uk> <48C95691.1050305@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: > One pic shows elaborate red rear shelf cushions, including restraints, > but no idea what would fit there except a medium sized dog, or smaller. :-) > I'm not 100% sure... but they look similar to the "optional" rootes rear seats that you could buy for the alpines. Also, the "restraints" are the correct irving belts.. and they are not for the back, i think the owner has just layed them back to the rear for the photos. -- Regards Michael King From srwick at hotmail.com Thu Sep 11 18:48:21 2008 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 17:48:21 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rear End Gears References: <000001c91436$ce3f3c50$6601a8c0@Brennan> <35930B5772B74F02A4FF77A60BB07BE7@DavePC> Message-ID: For some reason, the original message in this string didn't make it to my in-box, but if someone is looking for a set of 3.07/1's I have a brand new Spicer set with a yoke. I bought it for my rear end rebuild but my builder says the original 2.88's are fine so I don't need these. They are the new fine spline style which is supposed to be stronger and the new yoke and u-bolts to match. I paid $245.00 plus shipping for everything and would like to get as much of that back as possible. Make me an offer if you're interested. Steve (in N. Idaho) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Munroe To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear End Gears Hey guys: Another path to pursue to make my Tiger more user-friendly: My car came to me fitted with 3:07 gears in the rear end. It turns about 3,000 rpm at 60 mph. Thinking a set of original 2:88's would bring the engine revs down to make the car more relaxed to drive at highway speeds, including less noise, vibration, and even perhaps improved fuel economy, I picked up a set off eBay. Unfortunately, my local Jeep guy who has a LOT of experience with Dana 44's is reluctant to put them in my car. He says often eBay rear-end gears will not take a pattern and it is a huge expensive hassle to remove a good set of gears, replace them with used ones of questionable lineage, find out they are "bad", and have to do it all over again just to get back to ground zero. He quoted me approximately 8 hours labour for one "cycle". (old gears out: new gears in). The ones I have purchased look excellent, very little wear, (only a shiny spot where the teeth were in contact, a "good" pattern) an came complete with the spider gears and cage. Does anyone have any experience or advice on this change back to original? Thanks, Dave _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as srwick at hotmail.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From Mgman71 at comcast.net Thu Sep 11 20:31:35 2008 From: Mgman71 at comcast.net (George Re) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:31:35 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Bell housing Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: George Re To: tigers Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:32 PM Subject: Bell housing Thank you to everyone on the info I got on the harmonic balancer. I have another question? I just removed my engine tonight and found the PO for some reason cut a hole in the bell housing I do not think there would be any problem with if I just left it alone because I have used it for a few years and no problem. But I would like to replace it are there any early Fords with the same bell housing or is this one just made for the tiger? Thanks in advance. George B9471055 From sganz at pacbell.net Fri Sep 12 00:11:25 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:11:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] My Enjoyable Non-Tiger Video Message-ID: <297285.77189.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I found this video and like its campy-ness ;-) "watch out for that Jalopy..." http://www.motorator.com/videos/429 Enjoy And Happy Friday Sandy From rfraser at bluefrog.com Fri Sep 12 06:35:09 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:35:09 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Bell housing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <98098182E34D42B7A7B6A053F6F8F3AD@ronpc1> George Bell housing is Ford part # C30Z-6392-C, 5 bolt configuration; the engine/ transmission package is generally referred to as a 1964 Fairlane Special package. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/6-FF-ClutchsAnd Controls.pdf I assume you still have the original 260 engine. SBF engines are early style with 5 bolt patterns or 65 and later with 6 bolt patterns. Once you know which bell housing you need any of that type should fit. You could probably have your bell housing fixed by a welder. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of George Re Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:32 PM To: tigers Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Bell housing ----- Original Message ----- From: George Re To: tigers Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:32 PM Subject: Bell housing Thank you to everyone on the info I got on the harmonic balancer. I have another question? I just removed my engine tonight and found the PO for some reason cut a hole in the bell housing I do not think there would be any problem with if I just left it alone because I have used it for a few years and no problem. But I would like to replace it are there any early Fords with the same bell housing or is this one just made for the tiger? Thanks in advance. George B9471055 You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1667 - Release Date: 9/11/2008 6:55 PM From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 12 06:36:04 2008 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:36:04 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Looking For Tiger Press Issues Message-ID: <000b01c914d4$1f93ec20$6401a8c0@your03667082de> I am looking to buy or borrow issues #2, #7, #8, #9 of Norm Miller's Tiger Press. If you want to lend the issues they will be carefully returned. contact me at jxnichols at sbcglobal.net. Jeff From cmccann at lwpb.com Fri Sep 12 07:36:01 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:36:01 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Yet another Tiger for sale Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473387F4FD93@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Speaking of Tigers for sale, here is a pretty clean example of a medit. blue car on Cobra Country's website, a resource for Cobra replicas for those who might not know. Tiger shown appears to be professionally built with non original power plant but pretty slick craftsmanship from what I can tell...not sure of the VIN....not sure if its given.. http://www.cobracountry.com/home2.html scroll down about 5 or 6 ads on the " cobras for sale" heading...has 3 or 4 links to enlarged photos....good looking car IMO....and he knows it I guess at 42 grand worth.... Cullen 1452 LROFE From bomber44 at comcast.net Fri Sep 12 09:29:35 2008 From: bomber44 at comcast.net (Rob Guerra) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:29:35 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Bell housing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Since the subject of bellhousings came up: In case anyone is interested we have a 5 bolt cast, wedge style scattershield for a 5 bolt engine for sale. I figured I would let Tiger owners know before I released it to the cobra and shelby groups. These are hard to find - $1000.00 Please contact me outside the list Rob (bomber44 at comcast.net or tiger351w at comcast.net) On 9/11/08 7:31 PM, "George Re" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: George Re > To: tigers > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:32 PM > Subject: Bell housing > > > Thank you to everyone on the info I got on the harmonic balancer. I have > another question? I just removed my engine tonight and found the PO for some > reason cut a hole in the bell housing I do not think there > would be any problem with if I just left it alone because I have used it for > a few years and no problem. But I would like to replace it are there any > early Fords with the same bell housing or is this one just made for the tiger? > Thanks in advance. From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 12 09:43:52 2008 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Rear End Gears In-Reply-To: <35930B5772B74F02A4FF77A60BB07BE7@DavePC> Message-ID: <252795.16075.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You might want to use the calculator at this link: http://www.corral.net/tech/gearcalc.html I am not sure that moving from a 3.07 to 2.88 will make a huge difference. I was running a 3.54 in my Mark II and did change back to the original 2.88 to reduce revs at highways speeds. That made a big difference. But going from 3.07 to 2.88 isn't a "huge" move, so you may not enjoy as much benefit as you'd like. For what it's worth, JCR Offroad in Kalamazoo, MI swapped my 3.54 back to the original 2.88. I had moved to a posi when I put in the 3.54, so they had to drill out the carrier to accomodate the larger 2.88 open rear end carrier bolts. With all that, total cost was only $225 and it runs great (very minor whine on deceleration at certain speeds, but not worth messing with it again IMO). Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI --- On Thu, 9/11/08, Dave Munroe wrote: From: Dave Munroe Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear End Gears To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 2:30 PM Hey guys: Another path to pursue to make my Tiger more user-friendly: My car came to me fitted with 3:07 gears in the rear end. It turns about 3,000 rpm at 60 mph. Thinking a set of original 2:88's would bring the engine revs down to make the car more relaxed to drive at highway speeds, including less noise, vibration, and even perhaps improved fuel economy, I picked up a set off eBay. Unfortunately, my local Jeep guy who has a LOT of experience with Dana 44's is reluctant to put them in my car. He says often eBay rear-end gears will not take a pattern and it is a huge expensive hassle to remove a good set of gears, replace them with used ones of questionable lineage, find out they are "bad", and have to do it all over again just to get back to ground zero. He quoted me approximately 8 hours labour for one "cycle". (old gears out: new gears in). The ones I have purchased look excellent, very little wear, (only a shiny spot where the teeth were in contact, a "good" pattern) an came complete with the spider gears and cage. Does anyone have any experience or advice on this change back to original? Thanks, Dave You are subscribed as fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From sganz at pacbell.net Fri Sep 12 10:38:51 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Rear End Gears Message-ID: <30270.79263.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dang, let me plug one I'm working on :) Still under a bit of 'construction' http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/GearCalc.html Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Waite To: tigers at autox.team.net; Dave Munroe Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 8:43:52 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear End Gears You might want to use the calculator at this link: http://www.corral.net/tech/gearcalc.html I am not sure that moving from a 3.07 to 2.88 will make a huge difference. I was running a 3.54 in my Mark II and did change back to the original 2.88 to reduce revs at highways speeds. That made a big difference. But going from 3.07 to 2.88 isn't a "huge" move, so you may not enjoy as much benefit as you'd like. For what it's worth, JCR Offroad in Kalamazoo, MI swapped my 3.54 back to the original 2.88. I had moved to a posi when I put in the 3.54, so they had to drill out the carrier to accomodate the larger 2.88 open rear end carrier bolts. With all that, total cost was only $225 and it runs great (very minor whine on deceleration at certain speeds, but not worth messing with it again IMO). Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI --- On Thu, 9/11/08, Dave Munroe wrote: From: Dave Munroe Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear End Gears To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 2:30 PM Hey guys: Another path to pursue to make my Tiger more user-friendly: My car came to me fitted with 3:07 gears in the rear end. It turns about 3,000 rpm at 60 mph. Thinking a set of original 2:88's would bring the engine revs down to make the car more relaxed to drive at highway speeds, including less noise, vibration, and even perhaps improved fuel economy, I picked up a set off eBay. Unfortunately, my local Jeep guy who has a LOT of experience with Dana 44's is reluctant to put them in my car. He says often eBay rear-end gears will not take a pattern and it is a huge expensive hassle to remove a good set of gears, replace them with used ones of questionable lineage, find out they are "bad", and have to do it all over again just to get back to ground zero. He quoted me approximately 8 hours labour for one "cycle". (old gears out: new gears in). The ones I have purchased look excellent, very little wear, (only a shiny spot where the teeth were in contact, a "good" pattern) an came complete with the spider gears and cage. Does anyone have any experience or advice on this change back to original? Thanks, Dave You are subscribed as fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From Rollright at aol.com Fri Sep 12 10:39:52 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 12:39:52 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Top "decal" Message-ID: Hello, Recently Steve Ralsten wrote about a top unused since new. I looked at the picture he sent and have spotted a decal that I've never seen before. It appears that his car has the metal bin storage mechanism of Mark I Tigers. Does anyone know if that decal was used in Mk 1A Tigers wor was it an early thing? For image I've supplied part of Steve's original text below. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE "......I got the left side of top up and connected to the windshield but the rt side would not raise high enough to clear the behind door post. It was kind of in my plan to ask for "where do I go from here" advice at the next CAT fix in. Steve R PICTURE http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/SOFT%20TOP%20OPENING%201.jpg **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From cmeinel464 at aol.com Fri Sep 12 11:06:22 2008 From: cmeinel464 at aol.com (cmeinel464 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:06:22 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Top "decal" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CAE31104711837-8E0-1184@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com> Jim, The decal was only used on the metal boot MK1 Tigers. Curt Classic Sunbeam inc -----Original Message----- From: Rollright at aol.com To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Sent: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:39 am Subject: [Tigers] Top "decal" Hello, Recently Steve Ralsten wrote about a top unused since new. I looked at the picture he sent and have spotted a decal that I've never seen before. It appears that his car has the metal bin storage mechanism of Mark I Tigers. Does anyone know if that decal was used in Mk 1A Tigers wor was it an early thing? For image I've supplied part of Steve's original text below. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE "......I got the left side of top up and connected to the windshield but the rt side would not raise high enough to clear the behind door post. It was kind of in my plan to ask for "where do I go from here" advice at the next CAT fix in. Steve R PICTURE http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/SOFT%20TOP%20OPENING%201.jpg **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) You are subscribed as cmeinel464 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From cmccann at lwpb.com Fri Sep 12 12:05:22 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:05:22 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Yet another Tiger for sale In-Reply-To: <29042507.67481221242688642.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web06-z02> References: <29042507.67481221242688642.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web06-z02> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473387F4FE64@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Hey steve, did you happen to catch the VIN on the blue car? No particular reason, just curious...I like to keep track...maybe someday I'll write a book.. ;) This car lives about a mile up the canyon from me. I've met the owner. He and I and Mike Laurence took a picture of our red, white, and blue Tigers in a row last Wed evening. Mike's planning to send it to Tiger Tails. The car looks great and is very quick(289 with some mods). I don't know anything about it's history nor have I ever seen the underside. Current owner is a CHP officer and has had it about 3 years. Steve R From rootes1 at earthlink.net Fri Sep 12 12:29:05 2008 From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:29:05 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Yet another Tiger for sale In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473387F4FE64@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.loc al> References: <29042507.67481221242688642.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web06-z02> <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473387F4FE64@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: B382000985 LRXFE - came out of Michigan. Some might recall its lovely brown paint and double hoop roll bar when it appeared on eBay in 2004. ncm At 11:05 AM 9/12/2008, Cullen McCann wrote: >...snip..did you happen to catch the VIN on the blue car?...snip.. [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1669 - Release Date: 9/12/2008 2:18 PM From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Fri Sep 12 12:44:33 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:44:33 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rear End Gears In-Reply-To: <252795.16075.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <252795.16075.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48CAB891.5090208@SoCal.rr.com> Tigers & Bill, The DANA (SALISBURY) English built LSD has the correct bolt diameter to hold the original 2.88's without machining, or "stepped" bolts. It was used on the Jaguar, and is a "bolt-in", including axles, if you like DANA. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Bill Waite wrote: > You might want to use the calculator at this link: > > http://www.corral.net/tech/gearcalc.html > > I am not sure that moving from a 3.07 to 2.88 will make a huge difference. I > was running a 3.54 in my Mark II and did change back to the original 2.88 to > reduce revs at highways speeds. That made a big difference. But going from > 3.07 to 2.88 isn't a "huge" move, so you may not enjoy as much benefit as > you'd like. > > For what it's worth, JCR Offroad in Kalamazoo, MI swapped my 3.54 back to the > original 2.88. I had moved to a posi when I put in the 3.54, so they had to > drill out the carrier to accomodate the larger 2.88 open rear end carrier > bolts. With all that, total cost was only $225 and it runs great (very minor > whine on deceleration at certain speeds, but not worth messing with it again > IMO). > > Bill Waite > Grand Rapids, MI From sralsten at ca.rr.com Fri Sep 12 12:04:48 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:04:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Yet another Tiger for sale Message-ID: <29042507.67481221242688642.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web06-z02> This car lives about a mile up the canyon from me. I've met the owner. He and I and Mike Laurence took a picture of our red, white, and blue Tigers in a row last Wed evening. Mike's planning to send it to Tiger Tails. The car looks great and is very quick(289 with some mods). I don't know anything about it's history nor have I ever seen the underside. Current owner is a CHP officer and has had it about 3 years. Steve R ---- Cullen McCann wrote: > Speaking of Tigers for sale, here is a pretty clean example of a medit. blue > car on Cobra Country's website, a resource for Cobra replicas for those who > might not know. > > Tiger shown appears to be professionally built with non original power plant > but pretty slick craftsmanship from what I can tell...not sure of the > VIN....not sure if its given.. > > http://www.cobracountry.com/home2.html > > scroll down about 5 or 6 ads on the " cobras for sale" heading...has 3 or 4 > links to enlarged photos....good looking car IMO....and he knows it I guess at > 42 grand worth.... > > Cullen > 1452 > LROFE > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sralsten at ca.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From cmccann at lwpb.com Fri Sep 12 12:57:24 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:57:24 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Yet another Tiger for sale In-Reply-To: References: <29042507.67481221242688642.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web06-z02> <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473387F4FE64@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473387F4FE87@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Thanks Norm! I cant believe its the same car...I think I might remember that one... Subject: Re: [Tigers] Yet another Tiger for sale B382000985 LRXFE - came out of Michigan. Some might recall its lovely brown paint and double hoop roll bar when it appeared on eBay in 2004. ncm At 11:05 AM 9/12/2008, Cullen McCann wrote: >...snip..did you happen to catch the VIN on the blue car?...snip.. From cmccann at lwpb.com Fri Sep 12 13:13:37 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:13:37 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Yet another Tiger for sale In-Reply-To: References: <29042507.67481221242688642.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web06-z02> <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473387F4FE64@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473387F4FE8E@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> ...come to think of it, I probably keep track in my mind in case a VIN very close to my own ever comes up for sale...or something.....Ive seen that happen a few times, where a car comes up for sale 1 number off the assembly line from another...might be persuasive to pursue such a car....especially if i was made of $$$$$...but I do have a folder on my computer ful if pictures, like a little library of Tigers that have come up on ebay and websites like this one, only in the last couple of years since I got my car...with many of them under the file name of their VIN....I guess in case the information is ever useful to anyone... From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 13:26:32 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:26:32 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Yet another Tiger for sale In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473387F4FE8E@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> References: <29042507.67481221242688642.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web06-z02> <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473387F4FE64@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473387F4FE8E@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: <39a841b0809121226y67b8a65bk5187685b56ac1c45@mail.gmail.com> I keep an eye out in case a car comes up with the same vin as mine :) On 9/12/08, Cullen McCann wrote: > ...come to think of it, I probably keep track in my mind in case a VIN very > close to my own ever comes up for sale...or something.....Ive seen that > happen > a few times, where a car comes up for sale 1 number off the assembly line > from > another...might be persuasive to pursue such a car....especially if i was > made > of $$$$$...but I do have a folder on my computer ful if pictures, like a > little library of Tigers that have come up on ebay and websites like this > one, > only in the last couple of years since I got my car...with many of them > under > the file name of their VIN....I guess in case the information is ever useful > to anyone... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From Cushcom1 at aol.com Fri Sep 12 14:23:42 2008 From: Cushcom1 at aol.com (Cushcom1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:23:42 EDT Subject: [Tigers] HE....S BAAAACK!!! Message-ID: The Tigerman is back. I just purchased that beautiful black Mk1A that was on e-bay. A previous Dale's Restoration, this puppy is coming home to San Diego from its current lair in Marquette, Michigan. Here we go again. I guess you just can't get enough Tiger...heh, heh, heh jeff the tigerman **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From sralsten at ca.rr.com Fri Sep 12 14:43:23 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:43:23 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] HE....S BAAAACK!!! Message-ID: <5221406.96141221252203557.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web20-z02> Congrats... That one looked real nice. Steve R ---- Cushcom1 at aol.com wrote: > The Tigerman is back. I just purchased that beautiful black Mk1A that was on > e-bay. A previous Dale's Restoration, this puppy is coming home to San Diego > from its current lair in Marquette, Michigan. > > Here we go again. I guess you just can't get enough Tiger...heh, heh, heh > > jeff the tigerman > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sralsten at ca.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From atwittsend at verizon.net Fri Sep 12 14:56:54 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 13:56:54 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rear End Gears References: <252795.16075.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003d01c9151a$16835ad0$0302a8c0@student2> Dave, Bill makes a point about the change. If you use a calculator you can find a tire size (larger) that will equal equivalent the difference between the 3.07 and the 2.88 gears. Perhaps you can borrow a set of large sized tires for the rear and "try out" the change (Mustangs, T-Birds etc.). Then if you like the change the tires are a lot cheaper that the gears. With their own wheels (on new larger tires) you can change "ratios" back and forth in about ten minutes. Tom > You might want to use the calculator at this link: > > http://www.corral.net/tech/gearcalc.html > > I am not sure that moving from a 3.07 to 2.88 will make a huge difference. [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1668 - Release Date: 9/12/2008 6:56 AM From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Fri Sep 12 14:57:54 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:57:54 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] HE....S BAAAACK!!! In-Reply-To: <5221406.96141221252203557.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web20-z02> References: <5221406.96141221252203557.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web20-z02> Message-ID: <39a841b0809121357p385f7e4p23ded3f743eccb11@mail.gmail.com> Michael king and I were discussing that car last night. Its certainly a lovely tiger. Many congratulations! On 9/12/08, sralsten at ca.rr.com wrote: > Congrats... > > That one looked real nice. > > Steve R > > > ---- Cushcom1 at aol.com wrote: >> The Tigerman is back. I just purchased that beautiful black Mk1A that was >> on >> e-bay. A previous Dale's Restoration, this puppy is coming home to San >> Diego >> from its current lair in Marquette, Michigan. >> >> Here we go again. I guess you just can't get enough Tiger...heh, heh, heh >> >> jeff the tigerman >> >> >> >> **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion >> blog, >> plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. >> (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as sralsten at ca.rr.com >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Sep 12 15:10:26 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:10:26 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Rear End Gears Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F2BE@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> FYI, the static radius of 195/70-13's (compared to that of 5.90-13's) is really close to making up the difference from 2.88 to 3.07 gearing. 205-60-13's are only about 1% larger diameter than OEM 5.90-13, so you'd make up quite a bit of difference on either of those two tire sizes. If you start with a 14" wheel then there is a lot more flexibility on tire size to get larger radius, without getting into really tall sidewalls. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: September 12, 2008 2:57 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear End Gears Dave, Bill makes a point about the change. If you use a calculator you can find a tire size (larger) that will equal equivalent the difference between the 3.07 and the 2.88 gears. Perhaps you can borrow a set of large sized tires for the rear and "try out" the change (Mustangs, T-Birds etc.). Then if you like the change the tires are a lot cheaper that the gears. With their own wheels (on new larger tires) you can change "ratios" back and forth in about ten minutes. Tom From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Fri Sep 12 15:20:03 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:20:03 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rear End Gears In-Reply-To: <003d01c9151a$16835ad0$0302a8c0@student2> References: <252795.16075.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003d01c9151a$16835ad0$0302a8c0@student2> Message-ID: <48CADD03.8020808@SoCal.rr.com> According to the TigersUnited.com *Gear Calculator * , the mph/1000 rpm using *2.88* gears and 165R13 tires, is *24* mph/1000 rpm. A *3.07*, using same tires, is *23* mph/1000 rpm. At *5500* rpm the corresponding speeds are: 2.88 is 132 mph. 3.07 is 124 mph. A Ford 5 speed with 0.8 fifth will increase speeds by 20% - providing you have the much greater HP required! "You Pay Your Money, and You Get Your Choice" Larger tires will increase the speed, at the cost of fender clearances front and rear. See manufacturers data for tire diameter on other sizes. ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Thomas Witt wrote: > Dave, > Bill makes a point about the change. If you use a calculator you can find > a tire size (larger) that will equal equivalent the difference between the > 3.07 and the 2.88 gears. Perhaps you can borrow a set of large sized tires > for the rear and "try out" the change (Mustangs, T-Birds etc.). Then if you > like the change the tires are a lot cheaper that the gears. With their own > wheels (on new larger tires) you can change "ratios" back and forth in about > ten minutes. > Tom > > > > >> You might want to use the calculator at this link: >> >> http://www.corral.net/tech/gearcalc.html >> >> I am not sure that moving from a 3.07 to 2.88 will make a huge difference. From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 12 15:34:24 2008 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:34:24 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Yet another Tiger for sale Message-ID: <001501c9151f$544e8010$6401a8c0@your03667082de> "B382000985 LRXFE - came out of Michigan. Some might recall its lovely brown paint and double hoop roll bar when it appeared on eBay in 2004" Yes, I remember it well. The owner use to live a couple of miles from me. It was his idea to install the double hoop roll bar. I recall a previous owner installed 70's brown shag carpeting so you can't blame that one on him. Also, a DPO installed brown vinyl seats that looked like they came from a 70's dinette set to match the carpeting and paint. The car definitely looks better IMHO. Jeff From DJoh797014 at aol.com Fri Sep 12 16:05:45 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:05:45 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Bell housing Message-ID: There was an aold CAT tewch tip that suggested you could drill a small hole in the bell housing in order to grease a greasable throwout bearing. Prehaps to PO did that. I'd just plug the hole to keep the dirrt out. Dave In a message dated 9/11/2008 9:32:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Mgman71 at comcast.net writes: ----- Original Message ----- From: George Re To: tigers Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:32 PM Subject: Bell housing Thank you to everyone on the info I got on the harmonic balancer. I have another question? I just removed my engine tonight and found the PO for some reason cut a hole in the bell housing I do not think there would be any problem with if I just left it alone because I have used it for a few years and no problem. But I would like to replace it are there any early Fords with the same bell housing or is this one just made for the tiger? Thanks in advance. George B9471055 You are subscribed as djoh797014 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Sep 12 16:26:35 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:26:35 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Bell housing Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F2BF@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> "small" is relative, depending on the perception of the DPO and their ability to hit the right spot the first time... Some Tigers have "small" user-installed holes in the transmission tunnel to aid in block-to-bellhousing bolt removal (to allow in-the-car engine/transmission separation). Mine had a 3" square hole on the left side of the tunnel and a 2 x 8" hole across the top. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of DJoh797014 at aol.com Sent: September 12, 2008 4:06 PM To: mgman71 at comcast.net; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Bell housing There was an aold CAT tewch tip that suggested you could drill a small hole in the bell housing in order to grease a greasable throwout bearing. Prehaps to PO did that. I'd just plug the hole to keep the dirrt out. Dave From charlesengland at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 12 17:22:01 2008 From: charlesengland at sbcglobal.net (Charles England) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:22:01 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] While we are on the subject of rear axle ratios, could someone decode my rear axle # and Ratio Tag Message-ID: <109CAF1E1BC94D9395CE1334EBB4AE52@CHARLIE> The rear axle # is H64 285 and the ratio tag is 49 17, Many thanks, Charlie England B9470237 From jim at island.net Fri Sep 12 17:56:39 2008 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:56:39 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] While we are on the subject of rear axle ratios, could someone decode my rear axle # and Ratio Tag In-Reply-To: <109CAF1E1BC94D9395CE1334EBB4AE52@CHARLIE> Message-ID: <00cf01c91533$333d2390$4101a8c0@JIMPC> I don't have a 'ratio' tag on mine but if it is stating the actual tooth count then you have ( 49 w 17 = 2.8823529411764705882352941176471 ) stock 2.88 gears... ;) -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Charles England Sent: September 12, 2008 4:22 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] While we are on the subject of rear axle ratios, could someone decode my rear axle # and Ratio Tag The rear axle # is H64 285 and the ratio tag is 49 17, Many thanks, Charlie England B9470237 You are subscribed as jim at island.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From tigerlat70 at comcast.net Fri Sep 12 22:23:15 2008 From: tigerlat70 at comcast.net (Steve Coleman) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:23:15 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Classic & Sports Car Mag, Tiger Article Message-ID: <03ea01c91558$7191dda0$b770d262@stevesdell> I was in Borders and saw this mag and it is a Best of British special, page 140 has a Tiger VS a Daimeler SP 1960 250, any Tiger mag collectors should pick it up Best Regards, Steve Coleman Your Loan and Real Estate Friend Cell 408-603-3711 Fax 408-866-1039 Email tigerlat70 at comcast.net Web Site www.stevesloansandhomes.net From atwittsend at verizon.net Fri Sep 12 22:30:45 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:30:45 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] While we are on the subject of rear axle ratios, could someone decode my rear axle # and Ratio Tag References: <00cf01c91533$333d2390$4101a8c0@JIMPC> Message-ID: <00dd01c91559$7d65dc70$0302a8c0@student2> >I don't have a 'ratio' tag on mine but if it is stating the actual tooth > count then you have ( 49 w 17 = 2.8823529411764705882352941176471 ) stock > 2.88 gears... ;) Yea, all that stuff after 2.88 (23529411764705882352941176471) can add up after... a million miles or so. :-) Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1668 - Release Date: 9/12/2008 6:56 AM From atwittsend at verizon.net Fri Sep 12 22:56:31 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:56:31 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rear End Gears References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F2BE@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <010001c9155d$16bf08d0$0302a8c0@student2> I'm curious about not using used gears. Seems that people will pull the carrier and replace it with a LSD or something of the sort and use the original gears - and it is not an issue. What is the difference between that and accurately setting the pinion depth and ring play with used gears in a different housing? Especially if the tooth print seems correct. Thanks, Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1668 - Release Date: 9/12/2008 6:56 AM From GRMTim at aol.com Sat Sep 13 06:31:33 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 08:31:33 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times Message-ID: I am doing an informal survey for an upcoming article. Who has actually measured their 0-60 times? The old road tests said a Tiger with stock 260 would do 0-60 in about nine seconds. Has anybody beat that figure with modern tires? How about those of you with mild 289s? Anybody with a real radical engine beat five seconds? Please let me know. Thanks, and yes, I have finally adjusted my schedule to have our now finsihed project car at United next month. Doing a 1000 mile rally around Kentucky and then, assuming I don't destroy anything, straight to DC area for the United. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 08:38:14 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:38:14 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim, I did some research on this a few years back, the 0-60 times for tigers in the original road tests varied greatly. The MKI's averaged from 7.8sec-10sec. It sees the Uk road testers would generally get a better 0-60 that the USA.. but would also always fall short of 120mph top speeds. The USA would often have a slower 0-60, but a 120+ top speed. This might be to do with holding revs longer in USA.. or more gentle take offs in the UK.. either way i think a stock tiger even on the old tyres should have beaten 9sec.. and definatly should have beaten the 10sec some testers got. Gran a brroklands gold portfolio book.. it has many of the period road tests from both sides of the pond. -- Regards Michael King From srwick at hotmail.com Sat Sep 13 08:55:30 2008 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 07:55:30 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rear End Gears References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F2BE@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> <010001c9155d$16bf08d0$0302a8c0@student2> Message-ID: Everything mechanical wears out eventually, but I've had gear sets go 200K miles with no problem. In my case of just rebuilding the rear end, my gears have 135K miles on them, but looked good, and the car isn't a daily driver. I probably won't put over 2K miles a year on it, so I figured I was safe for my lifetime. If it was something I was going to drive 15K miles a year and I was spending the money to have everything else replaced, I'd replace the gears also so I wouldn't be doing it again in 3 years or so. This is just my opinion of course. Steve (in N. Idaho) ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Witt To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear End Gears I'm curious about not using used gears. Seems that people will pull the carrier and replace it with a LSD or something of the sort and use the original gears - and it is not an issue. What is the difference between that and accurately setting the pinion depth and ring play with used gears in a different housing? Especially if the tooth print seems correct. Thanks, Tom _______________________________________________ From mwood24020 at aol.com Sat Sep 13 10:20:00 2008 From: mwood24020 at aol.com (mwood24020 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 16:20:00 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times Message-ID: <431918672-1221322753-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-291936263-@bxe272.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I think period road test 0-60 times were really effected by the surface tested on. Lack of traction with the non posi rear and wheel hop must have been tough to manage, to say nothing of the oem tires. I'd bet that it wasn't just a traction issue either, as a grippier surface could make wheel hop worse... Optimized conditions, given the hp, weight, gear etc I would think mid 7 seconds is about right for a 260 car? Mike ------Original Message------ From: michael king Sender: tigers-bounces+mwood24020=aol.com at autox.team.net To: GRMTim at aol.com To: Tiger's Den Sent: Sep 13, 2008 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times Tim, I did some research on this a few years back, the 0-60 times for tigers in the original road tests varied greatly. The MKI's averaged from 7.8sec-10sec. It sees the Uk road testers would generally get a better 0-60 that the USA.. but would also always fall short of 120mph top speeds. The USA would often have a slower 0-60, but a 120+ top speed. This might be to do with holding revs longer in USA.. or more gentle take offs in the UK.. either way i think a stock tiger even on the old tyres should have beaten 9sec.. and definatly should have beaten the 10sec some testers got. Gran a brroklands gold portfolio book.. it has many of the period road tests from both sides of the pond. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as mwood24020 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From mwood24020 at aol.com Sat Sep 13 10:20:22 2008 From: mwood24020 at aol.com (mwood24020 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 16:20:22 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times Message-ID: <431918672-1221322777-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1040364324-@bxe272.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I think period road test 0-60 times were really effected by the surface tested on. Lack of traction with the non posi rear and wheel hop must have been tough to manage, to say nothing of the oem tires. I'd bet that it wasn't just a traction issue either, as a grippier surface could make wheel hop worse... Optimized conditions, given the hp, weight, gear etc I would think mid 7 seconds is about right for a 260 car? Mike ------Original Message------ From: michael king Sender: tigers-bounces+mwood24020=aol.com at autox.team.net To: GRMTim at aol.com To: Tiger's Den Sent: Sep 13, 2008 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times Tim, I did some research on this a few years back, the 0-60 times for tigers in the original road tests varied greatly. The MKI's averaged from 7.8sec-10sec. It sees the Uk road testers would generally get a better 0-60 that the USA.. but would also always fall short of 120mph top speeds. The USA would often have a slower 0-60, but a 120+ top speed. This might be to do with holding revs longer in USA.. or more gentle take offs in the UK.. either way i think a stock tiger even on the old tyres should have beaten 9sec.. and definatly should have beaten the 10sec some testers got. Gran a brroklands gold portfolio book.. it has many of the period road tests from both sides of the pond. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as mwood24020 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 13 11:36:35 2008 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:36:35 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 Times Message-ID: <001401c915c7$4584dc20$6401a8c0@your03667082de> "I am doing an informal survey for an upcoming article. Who has actually measured their 0-60 times? The old road tests said a Tiger with stock 260 would do 0-60 in about nine seconds. Has anybody beat that figure with modern tires? " My Tiger has the 260 cu in, Edelbrodk 289 Performer, 4bl carb, street cam, stock rear axel and trans and 185/70 13" tire. According to my G Tech (2nd gen) meter does 0 - 60 in 7.7 seconds. Thats averaged over several runs on a hot 4th of July. Jeff From atwittsend at verizon.net Sat Sep 13 12:13:06 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:13:06 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times References: Message-ID: <003c01c915cc$5eac9490$0302a8c0@student2> I'm sure the 0-60 times would vary depending on whether the Tiger had a wide (better) or close ratio trans. Since the original question asked about the Stock 260 it would assume the less desirable close ratio trans. It would be interesting to know the difference between the close ratio, stock 260 (Mark I), and the wide ratio, stock 289 (extra 36 HP) wide ratio (Mark II). Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1670 - Release Date: 9/13/2008 12:50 PM From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sat Sep 13 13:45:36 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 12:45:36 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rear End Gears In-Reply-To: <010001c9155d$16bf08d0$0302a8c0@student2> References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F2BE@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> <010001c9155d$16bf08d0$0302a8c0@student2> Message-ID: <48CC1860.9010506@SoCal.rr.com> Tom, and Tigers, Actually, no difference. It still has to have the proper shims to align the shaft gear to the pinion gear, and torqued properly. Unless, of course, the gear and pinion "previously-owned" set are worn, or the bearings are. All of which need to be purchased again. See a 4-wheel drive shop. Another issue is that the LSD from DANA has different differential gear mounting bolts. The Salisbury LSD version (Jaguar saloons) can take the original 2.88 gears directly. The US unit needs stepped bolts to accommodate diameter change, but other Ford R&P sets made in US use different diameter mounting bolts. Adapter bolts are available, if you know to order them (or let the 4WD shop do it). Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Thomas Witt wrote: > I'm curious about not using used gears. Seems that people will pull the > carrier and replace it with a LSD or something of the sort and use the > original gears - and it is not an issue. /*What is the difference between that > and accurately setting the pinion depth and ring play with used gears in a > different housing?*/ Especially if the tooth print seems correct. > Thanks, Tom From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 13:58:10 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 20:58:10 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39a841b0809131258k573f75f7ged01668cd022ad15@mail.gmail.com> i get between 4 and 5 seconds. nothing radical - just a well built 302. stock gearing (so its all in 1st gear) and 245 rear tires. On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 1:31 PM, wrote: > I am doing an informal survey for an upcoming article. Who has actually > measured their 0-60 times? The old road tests said a Tiger with stock 260 would do > 0-60 in about nine seconds. Has anybody beat that figure with modern tires? > > How about those of you with mild 289s? Anybody with a real radical engine > beat five seconds? Please let me know. Thanks, and yes, I have finally adjusted > my schedule to have our now finsihed project car at United next month. Doing a > 1000 mile rally around Kentucky and then, assuming I don't destroy anything, > straight to DC area for the United. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 > > > > ************** > Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From zymmer4 at yahoo.com Sat Sep 13 14:55:18 2008 From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times In-Reply-To: <39a841b0809131258k573f75f7ged01668cd022ad15@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <981735.52605.qm@web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Owain, As I remember it, the 260 Cobra did 0 to 60 in about 4.4 seconds with a 260 hp 260 cu.in engine. Your times are certainly in the ballpark for a good 250 hp at rear wheels car. Howard The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Owain Lloyd wrote: From: Owain Lloyd Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times To: GRMTim at aol.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 3:58 PM i get between 4 and 5 seconds. nothing radical - just a well built 302. stock gearing (so its all in 1st gear) and 245 rear tires. On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 1:31 PM, wrote: > I am doing an informal survey for an upcoming article. Who has actually > measured their 0-60 times? The old road tests said a Tiger with stock 260 would do > 0-60 in about nine seconds. Has anybody beat that figure with modern tires? > > How about those of you with mild 289s? Anybody with a real radical engine > beat five seconds? Please let me know. Thanks, and yes, I have finally adjusted > my schedule to have our now finsihed project car at United next month. Doing a > 1000 mile rally around Kentucky and then, assuming I don't destroy anything, > straight to DC area for the United. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 > > > > ************** > Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as zymmer4 at yahoo.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 15:23:59 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:23:59 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times In-Reply-To: <981735.52605.qm@web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <39a841b0809131258k573f75f7ged01668cd022ad15@mail.gmail.com> <981735.52605.qm@web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0809131423h2334f9d3wd42d8b6c10a134d0@mail.gmail.com> yes, surprisingly (or perhaps not) once you have over 200 at the wheels it doesn't make too much difference getting more power. much more important are weight, gearing (including rev limit for avoiding gear changes) and the torque curve. i can recommend the 'Car Test 2000' simulator (http://www.cartestsoftware.com/cartest2000) which is an extremely accurate and very scientific piece of software for investigating the impact of many variables to the performance of a car. very interesting and could save you a bunch of time and money when looking for performance gains. On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Howard gentry wrote: > Owain, > As I remember it, the 260 Cobra did 0 to 60 in about 4.4 seconds with a > 260 hp 260 cu.in engine. Your times are certainly in the ballpark for a > good 250 hp at rear wheels car. > Howard > > The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. > > --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Owain Lloyd wrote: > > From: Owain Lloyd > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times > To: GRMTim at aol.com > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 3:58 PM > > i get between 4 and 5 seconds. nothing radical - just a well built > 302. stock gearing (so its all in 1st gear) and 245 rear tires. > > On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 1:31 PM, wrote: >> I am doing an informal survey for an upcoming article. Who has actually >> measured their 0-60 times? The old road tests said a Tiger with stock 260 > would do >> 0-60 in about nine seconds. Has anybody beat that figure with modern > tires? >> >> How about those of you with mild 289s? Anybody with a real radical engine >> beat five seconds? Please let me know. Thanks, and yes, I have finally > adjusted >> my schedule to have our now finsihed project car at United next month. > Doing a >> 1000 mile rally around Kentucky and then, assuming I don't destroy > anything, >> straight to DC area for the United. >> >> Tim Suddard >> Publisher; Classic Motorsports >> and Grassroots Motorsports magazines >> www.classicmotorsports.net >> www.grassrootsmotorsports.com >> Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 >> >> >> >> ************** >> Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, >> plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. >> >> (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as zymmer4 at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From garywinblad at comcast.net Sat Sep 13 15:34:27 2008 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 21:34:27 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Alpine tie rod ends Message-ID: <091320082134.20417.48CC31E3000D022700004FC122120592140B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net> Hi Jim, Are you going to tell us what "big steering changes" are?? Curious minds want to know.. Gary -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Jim" > Hi listers... > > I'm making some big steering changes on my Tiger and am looking for a couple > of R.H.thread Alpine tie rod ends... S.S. only sells them in L.H/R.H. pairs > ...and I know that some of you out there have done Dale's Midget rack swap > which only requires the L.H. ones so I'm thinking that if you sourced the > parts from S.S that you might have the R.H. ends still around. If anyone can > help, let me know... > > Thanks in advance > > Jim > B382000446 From drmayf at mayfco.com Sat Sep 13 16:18:37 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:18:37 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times In-Reply-To: <39a841b0809131423h2334f9d3wd42d8b6c10a134d0@mail.gmail.com> References: <39a841b0809131258k573f75f7ged01668cd022ad15@mail.gmail.com> <981735.52605.qm@web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <39a841b0809131423h2334f9d3wd42d8b6c10a134d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48CC3C3D.8040100@mayfco.com> Cartest 2000 is one of the software packages I use for land speed racing, lol.. I have owned it for several years now. mayf Owain Lloyd wrote: >yes, surprisingly (or perhaps not) once you have over 200 at the >wheels it doesn't make too much difference getting more power. much >more important are weight, gearing (including rev limit for avoiding >gear changes) and the torque curve. > >i can recommend the 'Car Test 2000' simulator >(http://www.cartestsoftware.com/cartest2000) which is an extremely >accurate and very scientific piece of software for investigating the >impact of many variables to the performance of a car. very >interesting and could save you a bunch of time and money when looking >for performance gains. > >On Sat, Sep 13, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Howard gentry wrote: > > >>Owain, >> As I remember it, the 260 Cobra did 0 to 60 in about 4.4 seconds with a >>260 hp 260 cu.in engine. Your times are certainly in the ballpark for a >>good 250 hp at rear wheels car. >>Howard >> >>The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. >> >>--- From Rollright at aol.com Sat Sep 13 16:30:19 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:30:19 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Enginestorage stand Message-ID: Gentlemen (and Ladies?) I have a spare Tiger 260 that I bought from a fellow in MA 30 years ago and I never put it on a stand. I'm cleaning and straightening now and want to obtain an " ENGINE STORAGE STAND." That's kind of a low-rider stand that bolts to the motor mount points on the block. I found one by Accel and one other but I'd like a nice one with casters or wheels. Allows you to clean up and all. Anybody had good luck with a wheeled storage stand? Thanks in advance for all help Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From JParent4 at tampabay.rr.com Sat Sep 13 16:51:13 2008 From: JParent4 at tampabay.rr.com (Jim Parent) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:51:13 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times In-Reply-To: <981735.52605.qm@web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <39a841b0809131258k573f75f7ged01668cd022ad15@mail.gmail.com> <981735.52605.qm@web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601c915f3$396eaac0$c200a8c0@T60> Wow. That's in the same territory as the 2008 Lamborghini Murcielago LP460 at 4.0 seconds. How can a Tiger get that much rubber on the road? My Merc E55 will smoke for 100 yards with traction control off. With the computer on it's 0 to 60 in 4.2. -----Original Message----- Owain, As I remember it, the 260 Cobra did 0 to 60 in about 4.4 seconds with a 260 hp 260 cu.in engine. Your times are certainly in the ballpark for a good 250 hp at rear wheels car. Howard --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Owain Lloyd wrote: i get between 4 and 5 seconds. nothing radical - just a well built 302. stock gearing (so its all in 1st gear) and 245 rear tires. From MWood24020 at aol.com Sat Sep 13 17:13:37 2008 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 19:13:37 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times Message-ID: Difference being, the Lambo is timed with an entirely accurate, dispassionate timing system while the Cobra was timed by an enthusiastic editor with a stop watch? ;-) In a message dated 9/13/2008 3:51:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, JParent4 at tampabay.rr.com writes: Wow. That's in the same territory as the 2008 Lamborghini Murcielago LP460 at 4.0 seconds **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From jim at island.net Sat Sep 13 19:39:44 2008 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:39:44 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Alpine tie rod ends In-Reply-To: <091320082134.20417.48CC31E3000D022700004FC122120592140B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net> Message-ID: <014e01c9160a$c44c2b60$4101a8c0@JIMPC> Gary. After a whole lot of research, I've come up with a plan to install a Mazda power steering rack in the Tiger. The rack will most likely be powered by a Toyota MR2 electric p.s. pump and a 4QD motor controller . No cutting or welding required on the car but there has been a whole lot of fabrication, head scratching and scheming ( not necessarily in that order lol) . Hopefully it will go in this winter along with a z spec T5 trans. There's a couple pics of it mocked up on a spare crossmember here. http://groups.msn.com/431HeronPlace/shoebox.msnw?Page=3 Thanks to all you responded about the tie rods. Dale's kit must be popular. ;) Jim _____ From: garywinblad at comcast.net [mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net] Sent: September 13, 2008 2:34 PM To: Jim; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alpine tie rod ends Hi Jim, Are you going to tell us what "big steering changes" are?? Curious minds want to know.. Gary -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Jim" > Hi listers... > > I'm making some big steering changes on my Tiger and am looking for a couple > of R.H.thread Alpine tie rod ends... S.S. only sells them in L.H/R.H. pairs > ...and I know that some of you out there have done Dale's Midget rack swap > which only requires the L.H. ones so I'm thinking that if you sourced the > parts from S.S that you might have the R.H. ends still around. If anyone can > help, let me know... > > Thanks in advance > > Jim > B382000446 From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 19:46:00 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 11:46:00 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Guys, Back to the original road test times, they all ran with the stock tyres and no traction bars except for the test by Motor trend as their car had the traction bars. Of interest is how much of a difference the SAME ROAD TEST CAR would give with different drivers. I think it had much more to do with the way the tester got it off the line than surface or weather. Road and Track got their tiger to 60 in 7.8 and topped out at 118, this was the fastest USA road test time for the 0-60. Generaly the Tigers in the USA were in the 8sec bracket and 120-24 mph top speed. Autosport in the UK got 7.6 sec 0-60 and noted by george grant "It was discovered early on that "racing" starts produced pronounced axel tramp and that the ideal method of driving the car was to trickle off , and take full advantage of the imense torque of the V8 engine. In other words, the rigid aaxel employed is immenantly satisfactory for sensible driving, but will react somewhat visously if harsh methods are employed" This i think is interesting as he knew how much time would be lost if you did not get the car away smoothly.. i'd say to many testers got eh wheels spining or trampling and lost time... sometimes was quicker to be slower. -- Regards Michael King From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sat Sep 13 19:49:34 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 11:49:34 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Alpine tie rod ends In-Reply-To: <014e01c9160a$c44c2b60$4101a8c0@JIMPC> References: <091320082134.20417.48CC31E3000D022700004FC122120592140B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net> <014e01c9160a$c44c2b60$4101a8c0@JIMPC> Message-ID: There is a Tiger in AU running a subaru rack with power steering, no welding or body mods. I think its from a NZ spec car. I'm a bit short on details and dont have any photos.. what can i say.. i'm just to strong to need all that stuff.. heck i even have a stock rack ;-) Seriously though.. if anyone is interested i am sure i can take some pics or get some more info. On 14/09/2008, Jim wrote: > Gary. > > > > After a whole lot of research, I've come up with a plan to install a Mazda > power steering rack in the Tiger. The rack will most likely be powered by a > Toyota MR2 electric p.s. pump and a 4QD motor controller . No cutting or > welding required on the car but there has been a whole lot of fabrication, > head scratching and scheming ( not necessarily in that order lol) . > Hopefully it will go in this winter along with a z spec T5 trans. > > There's a couple pics of it mocked up on a spare crossmember here. > > > > http://groups.msn.com/431HeronPlace/shoebox.msnw?Page=3 > > > > Thanks to all you responded about the tie rods. Dale's kit must be popular. > ;) > > > > Jim > > > > _____ > > From: garywinblad at comcast.net [mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net] > Sent: September 13, 2008 2:34 PM > To: Jim; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alpine tie rod ends > > > > Hi Jim, > > Are you going to tell us what "big steering changes" are?? > > Curious minds want to know.. > > Gary > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Jim" > >> Hi listers... >> >> I'm making some big steering changes on my Tiger and am looking for a > couple >> of R.H.thread Alpine tie rod ends... S.S. only sells them in L.H/R.H. > pairs >> ...and I know that some of you out there have done Dale's Midget rack swap > >> which only requires the L.H. ones so I'm thinking that if you sourced the >> parts from S.S that you might have the R.H. ends still around. If anyone > can >> help, let me know... >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> Jim >> B382000446 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as michael.s.king at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > -- Regards Michael King From wrightsinseabrook at speakeasy.net Sun Sep 14 06:07:38 2008 From: wrightsinseabrook at speakeasy.net (Larry & Susan) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 08:07:38 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Caliper In-Reply-To: <3C53A99E0E08014990D58B5E0DB3C4BC0293F831@DDN8YC91.acmeppr.com> Message-ID: Alas, I have not only been away from the Tiger List too long, but I haven9t been out in the car enough either. I guess I went a few too many weeks or months with the car sitting in the garage (on a lift) and I noticed a telltale drip on the inside of one rear tire. So, I have a hydraulic leak. Ugh! I hate working on hydraulics So, it9s time to address those calipers. Yes, rear discs, I have one of Dale9s rear disc conversions that I put on during my 1999 suspension rebuild (I9ll spare you all and not repost my 3Underneath2 story, all 21,000 words of it). So, I called Dale. He was friendly enough, as always, but he9s not 3supporting2 that conversion anymore, so I need to look elsewhere. He tells me the calipers are for a Fiat 124 Spyder, any year will fit, and he tells me that rebuilding them is not practical so I need entire new calipers but he thinks they are only $55-$60 each. Therefore, before I merely call the local auto parts store, has anyone replaced there before, or sourced them themselves bypassing Dale9s kit, or maybe even belong to a Fiat club? I am looking for some place where I can order a pair of calipers on-line that knows what they are doing, I don9t want to trust the local Pep Boys counterman used to supplying alternators for Ford Escorts. Larry Wright From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Sun Sep 14 12:16:04 2008 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Duke Samouce) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:16:04 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Caliper In-Reply-To: References: <3C53A99E0E08014990D58B5E0DB3C4BC0293F831@DDN8YC91.acmeppr.com> Message-ID: <000001c91695$f3b23350$db1699f0$@rr.com> I used to own a 124 (a very dark period of my life) and checked all of the old parts suppliers. All have the caliper as NLA except one. Check this guy - http://www.fiatparts.com/fiatcatalog.pdf Page 42, $90 for a rebuilt caliper, no core. Good luck. Duke B328002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry & Susan Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 7:08 AM To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] Caliper Alas, I have not only been away from the Tiger List too long, but I haven9t been out in the car enough either. I guess I went a few too many weeks or months with the car sitting in the garage (on a lift) and I noticed a telltale drip on the inside of one rear tire. So, I have a hydraulic leak. Ugh! I hate working on hydraulics So, it9s time to address those calipers. Yes, rear discs, I have one of Dale9s rear disc conversions that I put on during my 1999 suspension rebuild (I9ll spare you all and not repost my 3Underneath2 story, all 21,000 words of it). So, I called Dale. He was friendly enough, as always, but he9s not 3supporting2 that conversion anymore, so I need to look elsewhere. He tells me the calipers are for a Fiat 124 Spyder, any year will fit, and he tells me that rebuilding them is not practical so I need entire new calipers but he thinks they are only $55-$60 each. Therefore, before I merely call the local auto parts store, has anyone replaced there before, or sourced them themselves bypassing Dale9s kit, or maybe even belong to a Fiat club? I am looking for some place where I can order a pair of calipers on-line that knows what they are doing, I don9t want to trust the local Pep Boys counterman used to supplying alternators for Ford Escorts. Larry Wright You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sun Sep 14 13:11:46 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:11:46 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Enginestorage stand In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48CD61F2.2000509@SoCal.rr.com> Jim, and Tigers, Firstly, I do NOT own any stock in this company, but have found that for _limited_ personal use, their items are reasonable. Here is the link to the _/*Harbor Freight*/_ website for "Engine Stand" Prices range from $70 to $120, depending on load requirements. They also have an "Engine Support Bar" for holding a motor in place if you are removing the Transmission. Needs hook to overhead support. Steve Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Rollright at aol.com wrote: > Gentlemen (and Ladies?) > > I have a spare Tiger 260 that I bought from a fellow in MA 30 years ago and > I never put it on a stand. > > I'm cleaning and straightening now and want to obtain an " ENGINE STORAGE > STAND." > > That's kind of a low-rider stand that bolts to the motor mount points on the > block. I found one by Accel and one other but I'd like a nice one with > casters or wheels. Allows you to clean up and all. > > Anybody had good luck with a wheeled storage stand? > > Thanks in advance for all help > > Best regards, > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sun Sep 14 13:27:05 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:27:05 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger 0-60 times In-Reply-To: <000601c915f3$396eaac0$c200a8c0@T60> References: <39a841b0809131258k573f75f7ged01668cd022ad15@mail.gmail.com> <981735.52605.qm@web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <000601c915f3$396eaac0$c200a8c0@T60> Message-ID: <48CD6589.8050901@SoCal.rr.com> The _/*Motor Trend Cobra Road Test*/_ of the 1963 289 CID, shows a top speed of 130 MPH, and 0-60 at 5.8 sec. Other test results include 13.8 seconds for 1/4 mile at 104, and 60-0 braking at 128 feet. _/* Road & Track*/_ test in 1964 Road Test Annual of the "260" V-8 and 260 bhp at 5800 rpm ( 1 year before Carroll designed the Tiger), gives 0-60 times of 4.2 seconds, 112 mph in 1/4 mile in 13.8 seconds. Good reading. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Jim Parent wrote: > Wow. That's in the same territory as the 2008 Lamborghini Murcielago LP460 > at 4.0 seconds. > > How can a Tiger get that much rubber on the road? > > My Merc E55 will smoke for 100 yards with traction control off. > > With the computer on it's 0 to 60 in 4.2. From cars at wt-inc.com Sun Sep 14 17:22:54 2008 From: cars at wt-inc.com (Lynn Wall) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:22:54 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Help with a Windsor timing chain cover Message-ID: <000501c916c0$d0c0adb0$72420910$@com> Dos anybody know the size of the hole in the timing chain cover that the dipstick presses into? I have a cover from a rear sump engine that I am converting to a front sump engine. It has a boss that I can drill. I just need to know the size of the hole. It might be the same as the 302 cover but I'm not sure. Thanks in advance, Lynn From mmichels at socal.rr.com Sun Sep 14 17:30:30 2008 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:30:30 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Help with a Windsor timing chain cover References: <000501c916c0$d0c0adb0$72420910$@com> Message-ID: <97B67885F6F04238897BC5B6DEF4E529@delldimension> Lynn, I have an extra timing cover from a 289 with the hole already bored. It measures 0.380 in. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Wall" To: Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 4:22 PM Subject: [Tigers] Help with a Windsor timing chain cover > Dos anybody know the size of the hole in the timing chain cover that the > dipstick presses into? I have a cover from a rear sump engine that I am > converting to a front sump engine. It has a boss that I can drill. I > just > need to know the size of the hole. > > > > It might be the same as the 302 cover but I'm not sure. > > > > Thanks in advance, Lynn > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mmichels at socal.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Sep 14 17:43:32 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 19:43:32 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Help with a Windsor timing chain cover Message-ID: On the dipstick tube... one thing I discovered is that the cars with generators generally had longer tubes and therefor required longer dipsticks. The tubes that I've checked seemed to come to either the top of the generator or the top of the alternator. Since the alternator was generally mounted lower, the tube tended to be shorter. So, using a dipstick that you think is right will not ensure that you get an accurate reading if the replacement tube is longer or shorter than the original that the dipstick came with. Mark **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Sep 15 06:52:55 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:52:55 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Help with a Windsor timing chain cover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark You make a good point. The part numbers listed for the original 260 are: Dipstick C4JZ-6750-A Tube C20Z-6754-A I'm not sure what the numbers are for the 289 engine. I believe I had the original parts on my Tiger but it is hard to say for certain. The oil level never corresponded correctly with the marks on the dipstick so I added a mark to indicate full. These days it is very hard to tell if the original parts are still your Tiger or if they have been swapped around with other parts. I highly recommend that everyone check and remark the dipstick if there is a difference so you know when the sump is full and when it is a quart low. The diameter of the dipstick hole in a timing cover I have measures .372", the bore is gummed up a bit, and it is countersunk. I believe 3/8", .375", is the correct size. Check the diameter of the tube you have. It should be just a slight press fit. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 7:44 PM To: mmichels at socal.rr.com; cars at wt-inc.com; tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Help with a Windsor timing chain cover On the dipstick tube... one thing I discovered is that the cars with generators generally had longer tubes and therefor required longer dipsticks. The tubes that I've checked seemed to come to either the top of the generator or the top of the alternator. Since the alternator was generally mounted lower, the tube tended to be shorter. So, using a dipstick that you think is right will not ensure that you get an accurate reading if the replacement tube is longer or shorter than the original that the dipstick came with. Mark **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1671 - Release Date: 9/14/2008 7:16 AM From Carmods at aol.com Mon Sep 15 06:56:12 2008 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:56:12 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Alpine tie rod ends Message-ID: Hi Jim, In your pictures of the Mazda rack for the Tiger, it looks like the tie rods are different length. If so, won't you get some "bump steer"? John Logan **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 07:05:59 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:05:59 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Help with a Windsor timing chain cover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39a841b0809150605p981dc92wcf227ef858f48fdd@mail.gmail.com> silly question (?) ... how would you know if its correctly calibrated? On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Mark > You make a good point. > > The part numbers listed for the original 260 are: > > Dipstick C4JZ-6750-A > Tube C20Z-6754-A > > I'm not sure what the numbers are for the 289 engine. > > I believe I had the original parts on my Tiger but it is hard to say > for certain. The oil level never corresponded correctly with the marks on > the dipstick so I added a mark to indicate full. These days it is very > hard to tell if the original parts are still your Tiger or if they have been > swapped around with other parts. > > I highly recommend that everyone check and remark the dipstick if there is a > difference so you know when the sump is full and when it is a quart low. > > The diameter of the dipstick hole in a timing cover I have measures .372", > the bore is gummed up a bit, and it is countersunk. I believe 3/8", .375", > is the correct size. Check the diameter of the tube you have. It should > be just a slight press fit. > > Ron Fraser > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > CoolVT at aol.com > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 7:44 PM > To: mmichels at socal.rr.com; cars at wt-inc.com; tigers at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Help with a Windsor timing chain cover > > > On the dipstick tube... one thing I discovered is that the cars with > generators generally had longer tubes and therefor required longer > dipsticks. The > tubes that I've checked seemed to come to either the top of the generator > or > the top of the alternator. Since the alternator was generally mounted > lower, > the tube tended to be shorter. > So, using a dipstick that you think is right will not ensure that you get > an > accurate reading if the replacement tube is longer or shorter than the > original that the dipstick came with. > Mark > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1671 - Release Date: 9/14/2008 > 7:16 AM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From Rollright at aol.com Mon Sep 15 07:14:30 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:14:30 EDT Subject: [Tigers] engine storage stand Message-ID: Hello, To clarify my search, I'm looking for an "ENGINE STORAGE STAND" for a small block Ford with wheels or casters. Somehow I conveyed too vague a description of my quest. For an example of this kind of item, (albeit without wheels) see: _http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Engine-Storage-or-Shipping-Stand-Ford_W0QQcmdZ ViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1163Q7c39Q3a1Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksi dZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem250294363772QQitemZ250294363772_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Engine-Storage-or-Shipping-Stand-Ford_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkpa rmsZ72Q3a1163Q7c39Q3a1Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em 14QQhashZitem250294363772QQitemZ250294363772) Thanks all, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Mon Sep 15 07:26:40 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:26:40 EDT Subject: [Tigers] engine storage stand Message-ID: There is a nice picture here but I can't bring it up. _http://www.jcwhitney.com/Jacks-Hoists-Lifting-Stands-Winches/600017517.jcw_ (http://www.jcwhitney.com/Jacks-Hoists-Lifting-Stands-Winches/600017517.jcw) In a message dated 9/15/2008 6:15:04 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Rollright at aol.com writes: Hello, To clarify my search, I'm looking for an "ENGINE STORAGE STAND" for a small block Ford with wheels or casters. Somehow I conveyed too vague a description of my quest. For an example of this kind of item, (albeit without wheels) see: _http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Engine-Storage-or-Shipping-Stand-Ford_W0QQcmdZ ViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1163Q7c39Q3a1Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksi dZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem250294363772QQitemZ250294363772_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Engine-Storage-or-Shipping-Stand-Ford_W0QQcmdZ ViewItemQQ_trkpa rmsZ72Q3a1163Q7c39Q3a1Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em 14QQhashZitem250294363772QQitemZ250294363772) Thanks all, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) You are subscribed as aaaglasss at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Sep 15 08:56:55 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:56:55 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Rear End Gears Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F2C1@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> In my experience setting up Toyota diffs (they have a removable 3rd member like the Ford 9 inch etc.), removing the ring gear assembly (to install a LSD on the existing gearset) doesn't require you to re-set the pinion depth, and all that you really have to do is to get the backlash set correctly using the side-adjustment and you'll have the right pattern, assuming the gears were good to begin with. The side to side adjustment is done with screw-in preload adjusters and it's a very straightforward procedure. On the Toyota diff, setting the pinion depth has to be done with spacers, a crushable sleeve between the front and rear pinion bearings, and a press to get the gears on and off. When I did mine, I used a brake cylinder hone to enlarge the old pinion bearing ID so that it was a very light press fit on the new pinion shaft, and then figured out the right spacer combination. Final assembly then involved pressing on the new pinion bearing, crushing the sleeve to get the right pinion preload, and THEN setting up the backlash to get the gear pattern right. It worked OK, but I was able to do all that with the whole assembly mounted in a vise on the workbench. Having to spread the axle housing to get the ring gear assembly in and out every time (and possibly having the rear axle housing still under the car) would significantly increase the hassle factor. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: September 12, 2008 10:57 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear End Gears I'm curious about not using used gears. Seems that people will pull the carrier and replace it with a LSD or something of the sort and use the original gears - and it is not an issue. What is the difference between that and accurately setting the pinion depth and ring play with used gears in a different housing? Especially if the tooth print seems correct. Thanks, Tom From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Sep 15 08:59:00 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:59:00 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] engine storage stand In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <169F5621536B424FB536336D1B7084DF@ronpc1> Jim It's not that hard to make one from 2x4s and 4 casters if you can't find one you like. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 9:15 AM To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] engine storage stand Hello, To clarify my search, I'm looking for an "ENGINE STORAGE STAND" for a small block Ford with wheels or casters. Somehow I conveyed too vague a description of my quest. For an example of this kind of item, (albeit without wheels) see: ---------------------------------------------------- Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1672 - Release Date: 9/15/2008 9:21 AM From garywinblad at comcast.net Mon Sep 15 11:05:08 2008 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:05:08 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] engine storage stand Message-ID: <091520081705.13811.48CE95C4000B313E000035F322147564020B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net> OR, its good welding practice to make it out of metal... that's what I did. Gary -------------- Original message -------------- From: " Ron Fraser" > Jim > It's not that hard to make one from 2x4s and 4 casters if you can't > find one you like. > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Rollright at aol.com > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 9:15 AM > To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: [Tigers] engine storage stand > > > Hello, > > To clarify my search, I'm looking for an "ENGINE STORAGE STAND" for a small > > block Ford with wheels or casters. > > Somehow I conveyed too vague a description of my quest. For an example of > this kind of item, (albeit without wheels) see: > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE From vegaslegal at aol.com Mon Sep 15 11:49:53 2008 From: vegaslegal at aol.com (vegaslegal at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:49:53 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Posi? Message-ID: <8CAE5729816F7D9-13B0-30D@WEBMAIL-DG14.sim.aol.com> There's every chance that this question is going to sound ignorant.? My car's sole prior owner's husband had a lot of LAT options put on the car when new, right down to the shocks and wheels.? From a stand still in first on a jack rabbit start the tires break loose immediately.? In looking back at the 'patch', both wheels most definately spin all the way through first gear.? One side is black as coal while the other wheel?spun somewhat less (about 50%).? Is the lesser wheel just getting some type of limited slip effect from the differential, or does the fact that both wheels are spinning mean that there is a posi-traction installed by the prior owner as?well?? I don't really want to tear into the rear end, and although I fancy myself a car-guy, I don't think I'd recognize?the posi-traction anyway. Bob 382000975? From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 11:54:09 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:54:09 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Posi? In-Reply-To: <8CAE5729816F7D9-13B0-30D@WEBMAIL-DG14.sim.aol.com> References: <8CAE5729816F7D9-13B0-30D@WEBMAIL-DG14.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0809151054y366a7a24m630da39496f1c2b9@mail.gmail.com> if you jack the rear end up and turn one wheel the wheel on the other side will turn in the same direction if you have a posi. if the other wheel turns the other way you don't. On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 6:49 PM, wrote: > There's every chance that this question is going to sound ignorant.? My car's sole prior owner's husband had a lot of LAT options put on the car when new, right down to the shocks and wheels.? From a stand still in first on a jack rabbit start the tires break loose immediately.? In looking back at the 'patch', both wheels most definately spin all the way through first gear.? One side is black as coal while the other wheel?spun somewhat less (about 50%).? Is the lesser wheel just getting some type of limited slip effect from the differential, or does the fact that both wheels are spinning mean that there is a posi-traction installed by the prior owner as?well?? I don't really want to tear into the rear end, and although I fancy myself a car-guy, I don't think I'd recognize?the posi-traction anyway. > > Bob > 382000975? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Sep 15 12:00:03 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:00:03 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Posi? Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F2CA@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Clutch-type limited-slip differentials can be easily checked for. Put the car in neutral, jack up ONE rear wheel, and then (with the handbrake off - chock the wheels that are on the ground) see if you can turn the wheel that's in the air, by hand. Another way is to jack up the entire rear axle, with the transmission in gear, and then see if you can spin either rear wheel by hand. On an open differential, the opposite wheel will spin in the other direction. With a limited slip, the opposite wheel will try to move in the same direction, but the rotation will be prevented by the trans being in gear. Neither method works for Torsen diffs. The approach you've described, however, is effective... If the above methods fail but you can't spin just one tire no matter how hard you try, you've probably got a Torsen in there. It's easily visually distinguished from an open diff (or any other kind of LSD) by the use of helical "spider" gears. It's typical for the right-side tire to spin more due to the effect of driveshaft torque on the rear axle, with any diff, unless you've got a spool. Theo From Greg.Koss at TRW.COM Mon Sep 15 12:03:43 2008 From: Greg.Koss at TRW.COM (Greg Koss) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:03:43 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Enginestorage stand In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48CE6B3F.880C.0076.0@TRW.COM> Try: http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/NTESearch?storeId=6970& in_dym=1&Nty=1&D=than&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&N=0&Ntk=All&Ntt=engine%20cradl e&cmnosearch=PPC&cm_ven=PPC&cm_cat=I-search%20(Google%20Adwords)&cm_pla=autor epair&cm_ite=engine%20cradle >>> 9/13/2008 6:30 PM >>> Gentlemen (and Ladies?) I have a spare Tiger 260 that I bought from a fellow in MA 30 years ago and I never put it on a stand. I'm cleaning and straightening now and want to obtain an " ENGINE STORAGE STAND." That's kind of a low-rider stand that bolts to the motor mount points on the block. I found one by Accel and one other but I'd like a nice one with casters or wheels. Allows you to clean up and all. Anybody had good luck with a wheeled storage stand? Thanks in advance for all help Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 12:03:52 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:03:52 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Posi? In-Reply-To: <39a841b0809151054y366a7a24m630da39496f1c2b9@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CAE5729816F7D9-13B0-30D@WEBMAIL-DG14.sim.aol.com> <39a841b0809151054y366a7a24m630da39496f1c2b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0809151103p4807be33sc928bf22bdb63cec@mail.gmail.com> also, i think its normal to spin both wheels when you lay on that much power in a straight line. with a posi, you would find it doesn't spin the inside wheel when accelerating out of a corner. On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > if you jack the rear end up and turn one wheel the wheel on the other > side will turn in the same direction if you have a posi. if the other > wheel turns the other way you don't. > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 6:49 PM, wrote: >> There's every chance that this question is going to sound ignorant.? My car's sole prior owner's husband had a lot of LAT options put on the car when new, right down to the shocks and wheels.? From a stand still in first on a jack rabbit start the tires break loose immediately.? In looking back at the 'patch', both wheels most definately spin all the way through first gear.? One side is black as coal while the other wheel?spun somewhat less (about 50%).? Is the lesser wheel just getting some type of limited slip effect from the differential, or does the fact that both wheels are spinning mean that there is a posi-traction installed by the prior owner as?well?? I don't really want to tear into the rear end, and although I fancy myself a car-guy, I don't think I'd recognize?the posi-traction anyway. >> >> Bob >> 382000975? >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive From Greg.Koss at TRW.COM Mon Sep 15 12:15:53 2008 From: Greg.Koss at TRW.COM (Greg Koss) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:15:53 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Enginestorage stand In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48CE6E19.880C.0076.0@TRW.COM> Or try this one only $19.20 http://www.edmwi.com/home/edm_1221502441369/viewcart?message=1+ENGINE+CRADLE+ -+FITS+FORD+V8+MOTORS+-+1000+lb+CAPACITY+has+been+added+to+your+shopping+cart . >>> 9/13/2008 6:30 PM >>> Gentlemen (and Ladies?) I have a spare Tiger 260 that I bought from a fellow in MA 30 years ago and I never put it on a stand. I'm cleaning and straightening now and want to obtain an " ENGINE STORAGE STAND." That's kind of a low-rider stand that bolts to the motor mount points on the block. I found one by Accel and one other but I'd like a nice one with casters or wheels. Allows you to clean up and all. Anybody had good luck with a wheeled storage stand? Thanks in advance for all help Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 15 13:04:41 2008 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Engine storage stand In-Reply-To: <48CE6E19.880C.0076.0@TRW.COM> Message-ID: <916275.42388.qm@web82702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greg... I second that. I've used one like that for many years: works great and you sure don't need to pay more for a storage stand. Bill Waite --- On Mon, 9/15/08, Greg Koss wrote: From: Greg Koss Subject: Re: [Tigers] Enginestorage stand To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Monday, September 15, 2008, 2:15 PM Or try this one only $19.20 http://www.edmwi.com/home/edm_1221502441369/viewcart?message=1+ENGINE+CRADLE+ -+FITS+FORD+V8+MOTORS+-+1000+lb+CAPACITY+has+been+added+to+your+shopping+cart . >>> 9/13/2008 6:30 PM >>> Gentlemen (and Ladies?) I have a spare Tiger 260 that I bought from a fellow in MA 30 years ago and I never put it on a stand. I'm cleaning and straightening now and want to obtain an " ENGINE STORAGE STAND." That's kind of a low-rider stand that bolts to the motor mount points on the block. I found one by Accel and one other but I'd like a nice one with casters or wheels. Allows you to clean up and all. Anybody had good luck with a wheeled storage stand? Thanks in advance for all help Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE You are subscribed as fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From cars at wt-inc.com Mon Sep 15 13:40:40 2008 From: cars at wt-inc.com (Lynn Wall) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:40:40 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Enginestorage stand In-Reply-To: <48CE6E19.880C.0076.0@TRW.COM> References: <48CE6E19.880C.0076.0@TRW.COM> Message-ID: <001801c9176a$efbbe310$cf33a930$@com> Having built one myself (and had all the fun you can imagine). I can tell you that it would be mighty difficult to even buy the parts for what this one costs. I may purchase this one myself. The one I built was pretty beefy because I wanted to use it for motor break in as well. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+cars=wt-inc.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+cars=wt-inc.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Koss Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 12:16 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Enginestorage stand Or try this one only $19.20 http://www.edmwi.com/home/edm_1221502441369/viewcart?message=1+ENGINE+CRADLE + -+FITS+FORD+V8+MOTORS+-+1000+lb+CAPACITY+has+been+added+to+your+shopping+car t . >>> 9/13/2008 6:30 PM >>> Gentlemen (and Ladies?) I have a spare Tiger 260 that I bought from a fellow in MA 30 years ago and I never put it on a stand. I'm cleaning and straightening now and want to obtain an " ENGINE STORAGE STAND." That's kind of a low-rider stand that bolts to the motor mount points on the block. I found one by Accel and one other but I'd like a nice one with casters or wheels. Allows you to clean up and all. Anybody had good luck with a wheeled storage stand? Thanks in advance for all help Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE You are subscribed as cars at wt-inc.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Mon Sep 15 18:19:24 2008 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:19:24 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] resr setup Message-ID: <005201c91791$dfb92780$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> If you want to check your gear pattern, get some prussian blue, avalable at any good auto parts supply store, the lead stuff I think is gone, Clyde From srwick at hotmail.com Mon Sep 15 19:53:12 2008 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:53:12 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] engine storage stand References: <169F5621536B424FB536336D1B7084DF@ronpc1> Message-ID: I made mine out of 2x4's and casters. I made it just wide enough that the oil pan will drop into it and be wedged tight. I've been using it for years and it probably only cost me $10.00 to make. Steve (Redneck in Idaho) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Fraser To: Rollright at aol.com ; tigers at Autox.Team.Net Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine storage stand Jim It's not that hard to make one from 2x4s and 4 casters if you can't find one you like. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 9:15 AM To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] engine storage stand Hello, To clarify my search, I'm looking for an "ENGINE STORAGE STAND" for a small block Ford with wheels or casters. Somehow I conveyed too vague a description of my quest. For an example of this kind of item, (albeit without wheels) see: ---------------------------------------------------- Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.21/1672 - Release Date: 9/15/2008 9:21 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as srwick at hotmail.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Mon Sep 15 22:15:59 2008 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:15:59 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] engine storage stand In-Reply-To: References: <169F5621536B424FB536336D1B7084DF@ronpc1> Message-ID: I did the same...lumber and casters on hand....only cost was some time. http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/enginebuild/engine6.jpg Paul ---------------------------------------- > From: srwick at hotmail.com > To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net > Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:53:12 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine storage stand > > I made mine out of 2x4's and casters. I made it just wide enough that the oil > pan will drop into it and be wedged tight. I've been using it for years and > it > probably only cost me $10.00 to make. > > Steve (Redneck in Idaho) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron Fraser > To: Rollright at aol.com ; > tigers at Autox.Team.Net > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 7:59 AM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine storage stand > > > Jim > It's not that hard to make one from 2x4s and 4 casters if you can't > find one you like. > Ron Fraser > > Subject: [Tigers] engine storage stand > > > Hello, > > To clarify my search, I'm looking for an "ENGINE STORAGE STAND" for a small > > block Ford with wheels or casters. > > Somehow I conveyed too vague a description of my quest. For an example of > this kind of item, (albeit without wheels) see: > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE > > > _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life togetherat home, work, or on the go. From sralsten at ca.rr.com Mon Sep 15 22:50:41 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:50:41 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Rear License Display Message-ID: <000a01c917b7$c61f8be0$6801a8c0@DELL4600> Is there a correct ? Or is it just personal choice ? Setup differently by dealers or owners or is it another Mk1 vs Mk1a issue ? My car has the plate illuminating lights on top side of the holding plate, with the plate above the bumper Others seem to have the lights under the holding plate and plate under bumper. Plate up or plate down ? http://www.americandreamcars.com/1967tiger071204.jpg http://images.mustangandfords.com/featuredvehicles/mufp_0707_02_z+1965_sunbeam_tiger_Mk1+rear.jpg Steve From dave at munroe.ca Tue Sep 16 06:43:23 2008 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 09:43:23 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Pocket Dyno In-Reply-To: <39a841b0809151103p4807be33sc928bf22bdb63cec@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CAE5729816F7D9-13B0-30D@WEBMAIL-DG14.sim.aol.com> <39a841b0809151054y366a7a24m630da39496f1c2b9@mail.gmail.com> <39a841b0809151103p4807be33sc928bf22bdb63cec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4479F83624214CFFAE16EE65A6774CE0@DavePC> Ok Guys; It was just a matter of time. Your $300 G-Tech Pro's and full-size dynos have just been obsoleted by a $12.95 software packet for your iPhone. All your querstions about 1/4 mile times, zero to 60, rear wheel horsepower etc can be answered by that obnoxious little gizmo school kids and other like-minded juvinile wannabes have glued into their ear canals: http://www.nextautos.com/iphone-app-puts-a-dyno-in-your-pocket?gid=10237&nid=26810#gallery-10237 Enjoy or weep, whatever your predeliction. Dave From vegaslegal at aol.com Tue Sep 16 08:05:36 2008 From: vegaslegal at aol.com (vegaslegal at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:05:36 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Posi? In-Reply-To: <39a841b0809151103p4807be33sc928bf22bdb63cec@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CAE5729816F7D9-13B0-30D@WEBMAIL-DG14.sim.aol.com> <39a841b0809151054y366a7a24m630da39496f1c2b9@mail.gmail.com> <39a841b0809151103p4807be33sc928bf22bdb63cec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CAE61C6D77ABA4-1494-211@WEBMAIL-MC11.sysops.aol.com> Wow, great answers.? Thanks all. -----Original Message----- From: Owain Lloyd To: vegaslegal at aol.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:03 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] Posi? also, i think its normal to spin both wheels when you lay on that much power in a straight line. with a posi, you would find it doesn't spin the inside wheel when accelerating out of a corner. On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > if you jack the rear end up and turn one wheel the wheel on the other > side will turn in the same direction if you have a posi. if the other > wheel turns the other way you don't. > > On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 6:49 PM, wrote: >> There's every chance that this question is going to sound ignorant.? My car's sole prior owner's husband had a lot of LAT options put on the car when new, right down to the shocks and wheels.? From a stand still in first on a jack rabbit start the tires break loose immediately.? In looking back at the 'patch', both wheels most definately spin all the way through first gear.? One side is black as coal while the other wheel?spun somewhat less (about 50%).? Is the lesser wheel just getting some type of limited slip effect from the differential, or does the fact that both wheels are spinning mean that there is a posi-traction installed by the prior owner as?well?? I don't really want to tear into the rear end, and although I fancy myself a car-guy, I don't think I'd recognize?the posi-traction anyway. >> >> Bob >> 382000975? >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Tue Sep 16 12:29:11 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:29:11 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rear License Display In-Reply-To: <000a01c917b7$c61f8be0$6801a8c0@DELL4600> References: <000a01c917b7$c61f8be0$6801a8c0@DELL4600> Message-ID: <48CFFAF7.70306@SoCal.rr.com> Steve, Plate UP!, complying with most states height requirements. As we compared our Tiger "features", I am sure that your lights are pointed in the correct upwards position to illuminate the rear deck lid original placement. Mine are pointing down for a under-bumper plate location for looks, but reversible for originality. See pic at TigersUnited.com "Owner's Garage" for pic. http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/laifman_s/default.asp Your links (below) show a red Maryland Tiger (tomato soup?) like mine and the Red Mk I with the original location on the "MustangsandFords" link in your message. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Ralsten wrote: > Is there a correct ? Or is it just personal choice ? Setup differently by > dealers or owners or is it another Mk1 vs Mk1a issue ? My car has the plate > illuminating lights on top side of the holding plate, with the plate above > the bumper > Others seem to have the lights under the holding plate and plate under > bumper. > > Plate up or plate down ? > > http://www.americandreamcars.com/1967tiger071204.jpg > > http://images.mustangandfords.com/featuredvehicles/mufp_0707_02_z+1965_sunbeam_tiger_Mk1+rear.jpg > > > Steve From sralsten at ca.rr.com Tue Sep 16 12:48:13 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:48:13 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Rear License Display Message-ID: <2490359.174421221590893451.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web10-z01> I had never really paid any attention until stopping by your place last weekend. To me the above looks correct BUT that is probably just because it's in the majority. Plate above as you say makes more sense with a neater light mounting, but it does not make much sense regarding the trunck lift handle. By the time you mount a trunck lid plate with a frame the handle is pretty much covered. But also if you take into account the wider but less tall British plates in use on Alpines when the Tiger was first being created I guess trunck mounting makes more sense and would leave the lift handle visible and useful. All in all it doesn't really matter much, just curious. Steve R ---- Steve Laifman wrote: > Steve, > > Plate UP!, complying with most states height requirements. > > As we compared our Tiger "features", I am sure that your lights are > pointed in the correct upwards position to illuminate the rear deck lid > original placement. Mine are pointing down for a under-bumper plate > location for looks, but reversible for originality. > > See pic at TigersUnited.com "Owner's Garage" for pic. > > http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/laifman_s/default.asp > > Your links (below) show a red Maryland Tiger (tomato soup?) like mine > and the Red Mk I with the original location on the "MustangsandFords" > link in your message. > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > Steve Ralsten wrote: > > Is there a correct ? Or is it just personal choice ? Setup differently by > > dealers or owners or is it another Mk1 vs Mk1a issue ? My car has the plate > > illuminating lights on top side of the holding plate, with the plate above > > the bumper > > Others seem to have the lights under the holding plate and plate under > > bumper. > > > > Plate up or plate down ? > > > > http://www.americandreamcars.com/1967tiger071204.jpg > > > > http://images.mustangandfords.com/featuredvehicles/mufp_0707_02_z+1965_sunbeam_tiger_Mk1+rear.jpg > > > > > > Steve From sralsten at ca.rr.com Tue Sep 16 12:50:33 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:50:33 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Rear License Display Message-ID: <24113682.174741221591033653.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web10-z01> I had never really paid any attention until stopping by your place last weekend. To me the above looks correct BUT that is probably just because it's in the majority. Plate above as you say makes more sense with a neater light mounting, but it does not make much sense regarding the trunck lift handle. By the time you mount a trunck lid plate with a frame the handle is pretty much covered. But also if you take into account the wider but less tall British plates in use on Alpines when the Tiger was first being created I guess trunck mounting makes more sense and would leave the lift handle visible and useful. All in all it doesn't really matter much, just curious. Steve R ---- Steve Laifman wrote: > Steve, > > Plate UP!, complying with most states height requirements. > > As we compared our Tiger "features", I am sure that your lights are > pointed in the correct upwards position to illuminate the rear deck lid > original placement. Mine are pointing down for a under-bumper plate > location for looks, but reversible for originality. > > See pic at TigersUnited.com "Owner's Garage" for pic. > > http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/laifman_s/default.asp > > Your links (below) show a red Maryland Tiger (tomato soup?) like mine > and the Red Mk I with the original location on the "MustangsandFords" > link in your message. > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > Steve Ralsten wrote: > > Is there a correct ? Or is it just personal choice ? Setup differently by > > dealers or owners or is it another Mk1 vs Mk1a issue ? My car has the plate > > illuminating lights on top side of the holding plate, with the plate above > > the bumper > > Others seem to have the lights under the holding plate and plate under > > bumper. > > > > Plate up or plate down ? > > > > http://www.americandreamcars.com/1967tiger071204.jpg > > > > http://images.mustangandfords.com/featuredvehicles/mufp_0707_02_z+1965_sunbeam_tiger_Mk1+rear.jpg > > > > > > Steve From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Sep 16 12:53:25 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 19:53:25 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Rear License Display In-Reply-To: <2490359.174421221590893451.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web10-z01> References: <2490359.174421221590893451.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web10-z01> Message-ID: <39a841b0809161153k50459a37pf27a6580caca1f3@mail.gmail.com> I have one each :). An illinois plate on the 'boot' and a uk plate under bumper mounted on a CAT club bracket with lights pointing down. That's fine here because the illinois plate is just considered decoration like any other decal would be. On 9/16/08, sralsten at ca.rr.com wrote: > I had never really paid any attention until stopping by your place last > weekend. To me the above looks correct BUT that is probably just because > it's in the majority. > Plate above as you say makes more sense with a neater light mounting, but it > does not make much sense regarding the trunck lift handle. By the time you > mount a trunck lid plate with a frame the handle is pretty much covered. But > also if you take into account the wider but less tall British plates in use > on Alpines when the Tiger was first being created I guess trunck mounting > makes more sense and would leave the lift handle visible and useful. > > All in all it doesn't really matter much, just curious. > > Steve R > > > ---- Steve Laifman wrote: >> Steve, >> >> Plate UP!, complying with most states height requirements. >> >> As we compared our Tiger "features", I am sure that your lights are >> pointed in the correct upwards position to illuminate the rear deck lid >> original placement. Mine are pointing down for a under-bumper plate >> location for looks, but reversible for originality. >> >> See pic at TigersUnited.com "Owner's Garage" for pic. >> >> http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/laifman_s/default.asp >> >> Your links (below) show a red Maryland Tiger (tomato soup?) like mine >> and the Red Mk I with the original location on the "MustangsandFords" >> link in your message. >> >> Steve >> >> ___ >> Steve Laifman >> Editor - TigersUnited.com >> >> >> >> Steve Ralsten wrote: >> > Is there a correct ? Or is it just personal choice ? Setup differently >> > by >> > dealers or owners or is it another Mk1 vs Mk1a issue ? My car has the >> > plate >> > illuminating lights on top side of the holding plate, with the plate >> > above >> > the bumper >> > Others seem to have the lights under the holding plate and plate under >> > bumper. >> > >> > Plate up or plate down ? >> > >> > http://www.americandreamcars.com/1967tiger071204.jpg >> > >> > http://images.mustangandfords.com/featuredvehicles/mufp_0707_02_z+1965_sunbeam_tiger_Mk1+rear.jpg >> > >> > >> > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 10:34:22 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:34:22 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] soft top replacement instructions Message-ID: <39a841b0809170934p7911c7eehb83ff71b53c35367@mail.gmail.com> i once had a nice set of detailed instructions for changing the soft top but i seem to have lost them. i started this job at the weekend and it certainly takes time just to get the frame fitting well before even starting on fitting the new top. does anyone have this write up or otherwise any pearls of wisdom that may be beneficial? many thanks, - owain. From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Wed Sep 17 10:44:44 2008 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:44:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Classic Car Insurance for my Sunbeam... Message-ID: Hi all, I am looking at insurance for my Tiger... Anyone have any experience with Grundy or Heacock? www.grundy.com www.heacockclassic.com Thanks in advance, Paul _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life togetherat home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ From JParent4 at tampabay.rr.com Wed Sep 17 11:01:36 2008 From: JParent4 at tampabay.rr.com (Jim Parent) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:01:36 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Classic Car Insurance for my Sunbeam... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007901c918e7$0bca5050$c200a8c0@T60> In the United States, I assume? You might check out Hagerty also. www.hagerty.com Jim -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jparent4=tampabay.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jparent4=tampabay.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul R. Breuhan Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:45 PM To: Tigers Den; Alpine Alley Subject: [Tigers] Classic Car Insurance for my Sunbeam... Hi all, I am looking at insurance for my Tiger... Anyone have any experience with Grundy or Heacock? www.grundy.com www.heacockclassic.com Thanks in advance, Paul _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life togetherat home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ You are subscribed as jparent4 at tampabay.rr.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Wed Sep 17 12:12:04 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:12:04 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rear License Display In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48D14874.9080902@SoCal.rr.com> Dave, You don't have to drill holes in the rear of the deck lid, as they came with the holes and plate brackets, and the light shining on the plate, lenses pointing to the license. You have the holes, but sounds as if someone "decked" it. Rgds, Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com DJoh797014 at aol.com wrote: > My MKIA has its rear plate under the bumper and with the light shining > down. > Who wants to drill holes in the boot lid for the plates? Not me. From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Wed Sep 17 12:13:13 2008 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:13:13 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Classic Car Insurance for my Sunbeam... In-Reply-To: <007901c918e7$0bca5050$c200a8c0@T60> References: <007901c918e7$0bca5050$c200a8c0@T60> Message-ID: Yes I am in the U.S. I am just exploring all my options. Hagerty is more expensive. Paul > From: JParent4 at tampabay.rr.com> To: prbreuhan at hotmail.com; tigers at autox.team.net; alpines at autox.team.net> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Classic Car Insurance for my Sunbeam...> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:01:36 -0400> > In the United States, I assume?> > You might check out Hagerty also.> > www.hagerty.com> > Jim> > Subject: [Tigers] Classic Car Insurance for my Sunbeam...> > Hi all,> I am looking at insurance for my Tiger...> > Anyone have any experience with Grundy or Heacock?> > www.grundy.com> > www.heacockclassic.com> > Thanks in advance,> Paul _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Wed Sep 17 12:22:43 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 11:22:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Classic Car Insurance for my Sunbeam... In-Reply-To: References: <007901c918e7$0bca5050$c200a8c0@T60> Message-ID: <48D14AF3.9060007@SoCal.rr.com> Paul, You must check the use limitations on these policies to assure you are covered for your usage. Many have yearly mileage limits. Some have restrictions on usage, such as only to and from car shows, or car maintenance. My son's Alpine was hit, and the insurance company would not authorize the cost of multiple bent body layers, as US cars do not have these complexities. He was totaled, and had to replace the body with another as the costs were way over the replacement. Read the fine print. The LARGE print giveth, and the small print taketh away. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Paul R. Breuhan wrote: > Yes I am in the U.S. > > I am just exploring all my options. Hagerty is more expensive. > > Paul From todbrown at roadrunner.com Thu Sep 18 08:03:21 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:03:21 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeams in Maine Event Message-ID: <48D25FA9.9070708@roadrunner.com> For the past few years, Dexter Polistock and I have hosted a get-together for Sunbeams in the Maine area on Columbus Day weekend. Although TE/AE is having their United the same weekend this year in Washington, DC, we believe that we are far enough away so as not to cause a major conflict. It is also difficult to move our event because of the linking of it to a major car show at the Owls Head Transportation Museum. That having been said, our event is planned for October 11 and 12 in Midcoast Maine. We are planning to have a two part gathering on Saturday at both Dexter's cottage on the ocean and at my house later for a cookout, separated by a scenic tour of some local area spots of interest. On Sunday, we will gather again at the Owls Head annual Foreign Car Show. For more info, please contact me. If anyone here is a member of the Alpines List, I would appreciate it if you could forward this message. Thanks, Tod B382002384LRXFE From wsteinman at pogolaw.com Thu Sep 18 10:16:44 2008 From: wsteinman at pogolaw.com (Steinman, Bill) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:16:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Fuel pump breather tubes In-Reply-To: <48D25FA9.9070708@roadrunner.com> References: <48D25FA9.9070708@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <82A974D0BA5A5E4C85412B56F8C0D4B23EED13@US-EXCH-VS02.US.PGFM.NET> Howdy all: In my continuing effort to return my Tiger's fuel delivery system to original (well, except for the carburator, but that's a different story), does anyone have photos for how the breather tubes run on an original Lucas fuel pump on a Mk I? Thanks! B. Bill S. 2005 Lotus Elise 1968 Triumph TR-250 1968 MGC Tourer 1965 Sunbeam Tiger 1959 Austin Healey 3000 1971 Triumph TR-6 (girlfriend's car) Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows... NOTICE: This communication and its attachments have been sent to you from Powell Goldstein LLP and may contain privileged or other confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. If you are not the intended recipient appearing in the address lines of this communication, you should not rely upon it. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and delete the copy you received. IRS CIRCULAR 230 Disclosure: Under U.S. Treasury regulations, we are required to inform you that any tax advice contained in this e-mail or any attachment hereto is not intended to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code. Thank you. From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Thu Sep 18 12:06:07 2008 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:06:07 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] =?windows-1256?q?Classic_Insurance_for_my_Sunbeam=2E=2E?= =?windows-1256?b?Lv5UaWdlciBWYWx1ZXM/?= Message-ID: First off thanks for everyone's voice on this. Several people have mentioned value (such as Agreed Value), and I got into a discussion with one of the insurance companies about the value of Tigers. They thought $25,000 seemed high...I thought it seemed low. This has got my curiosity going...and I know this is a very subjective topic. Avoiding the junk/rough/project cars...what is the going rate for a restored stock Tiger? and what about a nicely finished modified Tiger? Any recent buyers or sellers want to fess up to how much them sold or bought their Tigers for? Also we see the cars on Ebay...are those a good representation of the going rate? or high? or low? Other than opinions is there a place to find concrete numbers? Where do insurance companies get their numbers? Thanks again, Paul _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Sep 18 12:42:51 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:42:51 EDT Subject: [Tigers] =?windows-1256?q?Classic_Insurance_for_my_Sunbeam=2E=2E_?= =?windows-1256?b?PT93aW5kLi4u?= Message-ID: My car is very stock, but with a 302 and 5 speed. I just raised the insurance from $25,000 to $35,000. I told my agent that if he needed documentation of recent sales that I could come up with something. He said wait and see, the company used some kind of book price. Anyway, they raised it to $35,000 without question. Mark **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 12:51:01 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:51:01 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] issues with tapping the oil filter lines Message-ID: <39a841b0809181151q466c3da1wca275954e40b49ab@mail.gmail.com> i run an oil filter in the wheel arch with -8AN hose to a block adapter. i'm trying to find an easy place to mount an oil temperature sender and i'm wondering if i could just put a fuel pressure gauge adapter between the oil block adapter and the hose end. i'm thinking of something like this: http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=RUS-670350 and then just screwing the oil temp sender (which looks like this: http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=ATM-2253) into that. any potential issues with impeding the flow of oil do you think? From sralsten at ca.rr.com Thu Sep 18 15:44:59 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:44:59 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Classic_Insurance_for_my_Sunbeam=2E=2E=2E?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=8FTiger_Values=3F?= Message-ID: <30616826.538191221774299896.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web16-z01> I bought a car in the last month. If you go to the thread below my car is the red one in the three pictures. I paid less than this for it but I have it with Hagerty at agreed value of $42K. It needs a paint job, despite looking pretty good in the pics. I used these pictures to send to Hagerty. They said nothing about my request for the $42K. Steve R http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/f162/sunbeam-tiger-update-60156/ ---- "Paul R. Breuhan" wrote: > First off thanks for everyone's voice on this. > > Several people have mentioned value (such as Agreed Value), and I got into a discussion with one of the insurance companies about the value of Tigers. They thought $25,000 seemed high...I thought it seemed low. > > This has got my curiosity going...and I know this is a very subjective topic. > > Avoiding the junk/rough/project cars...what is the going rate for a restored stock Tiger? and what about a nicely finished modified Tiger? > > Any recent buyers or sellers want to fess up to how much them sold or bought their Tigers for? > > Also we see the cars on Ebay...are those a good representation of the going rate? or high? or low? > > Other than opinions is there a place to find concrete numbers? > > Where do insurance companies get their numbers? > > Thanks again, > Paul > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sralsten at ca.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Thu Sep 18 15:53:19 2008 From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:53:19 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Classic Insurance for my Sunbeam...?Tiger Values? Message-ID: I increased the coverage on my MKI a couple years ago from $16,000 to $24,000 with no problems. The insurance company just wanted photos of the car - sides, front, rear and glass. Maximum coverage, $0 deductible on collision, agreed value $24,000. Premium is $168.00 per year. Insurance company is MetLife Auto & Home. The agent is Condon & Skelly located in Maple Shade, NJ. Fred Baum **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From fastsage at cox.net Thu Sep 18 16:31:08 2008 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:31:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Classic Insurance for my Sunbeam...?Tiger Values? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48D2D6AC.8040302@cox.net> FHSLOTH13 at aol.com wrote: > I increased the coverage on my MKI a couple years ago from $16,000 to > $24,000 with no problems. I've got my 66 MK1A (above average, not concours) insured for $40,000 with Auto Owner's Insurance. Full coverage, $100,000/300,000 liability, $500 deductible, no mileage limitation since it's my every day car. Costs me about $450 a year here in the desert in Arizona. The real test of an insurance company is when you make a claim. Someone backed into the Tiger last year with moderate damage. I was going to take it to a local body shop but the claims agent said he didn't think that was a good idea, and he suggested I find a custom shop that's more used to rare cars to make the repairs. I did, and even though they were a lot more expensive than the shop I was originally going to take it to, Auto Owner's paid immediately, with no problem whatsoever. Imagine my good surprise a couple of months later when the agent called me up to let me know he was sending me back the $500 deductible I had paid. The other guy's insurance company admitted that it was their guy's fault. Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10720e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ From sralsten at ca.rr.com Thu Sep 18 17:44:49 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:44:49 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Another place to look for parts Message-ID: <6292123.579731221781489941.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web10-z02> I just ran across this seeming new website while visting the STOC.UK message board. http://tigerbits.org/ Steve R From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Thu Sep 18 18:14:07 2008 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Duke Samouce) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:14:07 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Classic Insurance for my Sunbeam...?Tiger Values? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001601c919ec$a280b510$e7821f30$@rr.com> Mine is insures with Grundy's for and agreed value of $35K. 0 deductable and it is $225 a year. I will increase that to at least $40K in Jan. Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 4:53 PM To: sralsten at ca.rr.com; prbreuhan at hotmail.com; WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Classic Insurance for my Sunbeam...?Tiger Values? I increased the coverage on my MKI a couple years ago from $16,000 to $24,000 with no problems. The insurance company just wanted photos of the car - sides, front, rear and glass. Maximum coverage, $0 deductible on collision, agreed value $24,000. Premium is $168.00 per year. Insurance company is MetLife Auto & Home. The agent is Condon & Skelly located in Maple Shade, NJ. Fred Baum **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From mk1a67 at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 22:12:26 2008 From: mk1a67 at gmail.com (Cliff Alexander) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:12:26 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Classic Insurance for my Sunbeam.. =?wind... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8abbe6e00809182112y13ac39b4v28276990aff6097e@mail.gmail.com> Very interesting your car sounds close to mine, which insurance company are you using? Thanks Cliff On 9/18/08, CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > > My car is very stock, but with a 302 and 5 speed. I just raised the > insurance from $25,000 to $35,000. I told my agent that if he > needed documentation > of recent sales that I could come up with something. He said wait and > see, > the company used some kind of book price. Anyway, they raised it to > $35,000 > without question. > Mark > > > > **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, > plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. > (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mk1a67 at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From JParent4 at tampabay.rr.com Fri Sep 19 04:52:26 2008 From: JParent4 at tampabay.rr.com (Jim Parent) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 06:52:26 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Classic Insurance for my Sunbeam...?Tiger Values? In-Reply-To: <001601c919ec$a280b510$e7821f30$@rr.com> References: <001601c919ec$a280b510$e7821f30$@rr.com> Message-ID: <001401c91a45$ce883b70$c200a8c0@T60> Can someone comment on the driving restrictions that the specialized insurance companies require? To and from events only? Weekends? 58 miles per month? Thanks, Jim ------------------------- Mine is insures with Grundy's for and agreed value of $35K. 0 deductable and it is $225 a year. I will increase that to at least $40K in Jan. Duke B382002037 -- Maximum coverage, $0 deductible on collision, agreed value $24,000. Premium is $168.00 per year. Insurance company is MetLife Auto & Home. The agent is Condon & Skelly located in Maple Shade, NJ. Fred Baum From srwick at hotmail.com Fri Sep 19 05:39:30 2008 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 04:39:30 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Classic Insurance for my Sunbeam...?Tiger Values? References: <001601c919ec$a280b510$e7821f30$@rr.com> <001401c91a45$ce883b70$c200a8c0@T60> Message-ID: I have Hagerty and it's 2K miles per year for events (cruises, shows, etc.) and 2K miles per year for pleasure. Up here with 4+ months of snow, I do fine as long as I don't use it to drive to work. Steve (in N.Id.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Parent To: 'Duke Samouce' ; FHSLOTH13 at aol.com ; sralsten at ca.rr.com ; prbreuhan at hotmail.com ; WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 3:52 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Classic Insurance for my Sunbeam...?Tiger Values? Can someone comment on the driving restrictions that the specialized insurance companies require? To and from events only? Weekends? 58 miles per month? Thanks, Jim ------------------------- Mine is insures with Grundy's for and agreed value of $35K. 0 deductable and it is $225 a year. I will increase that to at least $40K in Jan. Duke B382002037 -- Maximum coverage, $0 deductible on collision, agreed value $24,000. Premium is $168.00 per year. Insurance company is MetLife Auto & Home. The agent is Condon & Skelly located in Maple Shade, NJ. Fred Baum _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as srwick at hotmail.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From Carmods at aol.com Fri Sep 19 07:01:04 2008 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:01:04 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Hot Ignition Message-ID: Last Sunday I drove my Tiger home from a show in a driving rain storm with the head lights, wipers and heater blower running. When I got home and turned off the ignition I noticed the switch and key were hot. I've never noticed that before, so my question is, is that normal or is the ignition switch about to fail? John Logan **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Sep 19 07:17:17 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:17:17 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Hot Ignition Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F2F7@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Steve Sage had that happen to him. Check all your spade connections on the back of the switch to see if any are loose. If not, then the contacts inside are in poor enough shape that they can't pass all the current required by the ignition, wipers and heater... I'm wiring my Tiger with a Painless auxiliary fuse panel (3 unswitched and 4 switched) where a 30 amp relay takes all the high-current load and the ignition switch just closes the relay coil. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net > ] On Behalf Of Carmods at aol.com > Sent: September 19, 2008 7:01 AM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Hot Ignition > > Last Sunday I drove my Tiger home from a show in a driving > rain storm with the head lights, wipers and heater blower > running. When I got home and turned off the ignition I > noticed the switch and key were hot. I've never noticed that > before, so my question is, is that normal or is the ignition > switch about to fail? > > John Logan > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life > financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest > news and information, tips and > calculators. > (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as theo.smit at dynastream.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From cmccann at lwpb.com Fri Sep 19 07:20:18 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:20:18 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Classic Car Insurance In-Reply-To: References: <001601c919ec$a280b510$e7821f30$@rr.com> <001401c91a45$ce883b70$c200a8c0@T60> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473387F50709@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> My Tiger is still a project, so its insured value is much lower at the moment....but I do have 2 cars insured with a company call Condon and Skelley, and its similar to what you all are talking about. Its stated value, stated mileage. I have one that I have stated at 35k, to be driven less than 2500 miles a year, full coverage, comprehensive...and the cost is very reasonable. They have never disputed or questioned my stated value on what I was submitting for coverage. http://www.condonskelly.com/ ...regarding Tiger values, I watch selling prices as often as I can in reasonable atmospheres...not really ebay and barrett Jackson, because IMO these are not accurately reflective of the market value...but more like cars that sell and are negotiated from craigslist, classic car trader, hemmings, etc...and friends that sell cars, trying to get an average idea of selling prices...and I have been thinking that nice restored Tiger Mk1 and 1a drivers are 30-40k, and it seems that MkII's are about a 1/2 again more (?) like 65 ish? I have less of an idea about the MkII's...... CM From Carmods at aol.com Fri Sep 19 07:25:06 2008 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:25:06 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Cruise Message-ID: To those who live within driving distance of Ann Arbor Michigan, there is going to be a Sunbeam cruise on Sunday September 28,2008. We will meet at 10:00 AM at Post "K" in the Meijer shopping center located at 3145 Ann Arbor-Saline Rd Ann Arbor, MI. That is just South of the 175 exit of I-94. The final destination is lunch at Bakers in Milford MI. **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Fri Sep 19 08:18:10 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:18:10 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Hot Ignition In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F2F7@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F2F7@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0809190718i714e1f0dhf694ca70120ffe2b@mail.gmail.com> yes, i run most stuff unswitched (and fused). the only switched stuff i have goes through a relay. i don't the idea of putting a lot or current through switches. it just doesn't make any sense. all i have now is headlights running through the switch but i have that fuse too (since last week!) On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > Steve Sage had that happen to him. Check all your spade connections on > the back of the switch to see if any are loose. If not, then the > contacts inside are in poor enough shape that they can't pass all the > current required by the ignition, wipers and heater... I'm wiring my > Tiger with a Painless auxiliary fuse panel (3 unswitched and 4 switched) > where a 30 amp relay takes all the high-current load and the ignition > switch just closes the relay coil. > > Theo > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net >> [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net >> ] On Behalf Of Carmods at aol.com >> Sent: September 19, 2008 7:01 AM >> To: tigers at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Tigers] Hot Ignition >> >> Last Sunday I drove my Tiger home from a show in a driving >> rain storm with the head lights, wipers and heater blower >> running. When I got home and turned off the ignition I >> noticed the switch and key were hot. I've never noticed that >> before, so my question is, is that normal or is the ignition >> switch about to fail? >> >> John Logan >> >> >> >> **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life >> financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest >> news and information, tips and >> calculators. >> (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as theo.smit at dynastream.com >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From robin02 at mindspring.com Fri Sep 19 08:50:59 2008 From: robin02 at mindspring.com (RObin Young) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:50:59 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Classic Insurance for my Sunbeam...?Tiger Values? In-Reply-To: <001401c91a45$ce883b70$c200a8c0@T60> References: <001601c919ec$a280b510$e7821f30$@rr.com> <001401c91a45$ce883b70$c200a8c0@T60> Message-ID: I have been with Heacock for four years. The agreed value (suggested by Heacock) is 40,000. the allowed use is 3,000 miles a year for shows, maintenance and occasional cruising. By the way, Heacock sponsors a first class car show in October every year in Lakeland Florida in October. Robin Young Can someone comment on the driving restrictions that the specialized insurance companies require? To and from events only? Weekends? 58 miles per month? Thanks, Jim From WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com Fri Sep 19 09:23:51 2008 From: WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com (WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:23:51 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Another place to look for parts Message-ID: In a message dated 9/18/2008 7:45:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sralsten at ca.rr.com writes: http://tigerbits.org/ Make that _www.tigerbits.org_ (http://www.tigerbits.org) and it works. Fred Baum **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com Fri Sep 19 09:25:29 2008 From: WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com (WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:25:29 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Classic Insurance for my Sunbeam...?Tiger Values? Message-ID: Mine is 2,500 per year per vehicle (Tiger & '65 Mustang), no apparent restrictions on use other than possibly racing (street or otherwise). Fred Baum **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Fri Sep 19 09:37:15 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:37:15 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Another place to look for parts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39a841b0809190837r6dfe1a8dx5a161c0b8b00796a@mail.gmail.com> (should work without the 'www' also. either is fine) On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 4:23 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 9/18/2008 7:45:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > sralsten at ca.rr.com writes: > > http://tigerbits.org/ > > > Make that _www.tigerbits.org_ (http://www.tigerbits.org) and it works. > > Fred Baum > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and > calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From tiger at missiongranite.com Fri Sep 19 09:48:51 2008 From: tiger at missiongranite.com (Alan Zeni) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:48:51 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 260 Short Block Message-ID: <011b01c91a6f$378b5520$43f9d648@mgserver> I have an original 260 (read used) shortblock available for pickup in Santa Barbara. Make me an offer............. From mark.rense at ge.com Fri Sep 19 12:05:22 2008 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:05:22 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Hinge Pin In-Reply-To: <014e01c9160a$c44c2b60$4101a8c0@JIMPC> References: <091320082134.20417.48CC31E3000D022700004FC122120592140B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net> <014e01c9160a$c44c2b60$4101a8c0@JIMPC> Message-ID: Happy Friday! I want to disassemble an old pair of original trunk (boot) hinges for some brazing and rechrome. Before I start either beating the hinge pin unmercifully with a drift and sledge or pushing it out with the 30 ton press, has anyone taken these apart before and is there a trick? Thanks, Bugz From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Fri Sep 19 12:23:12 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:23:12 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Another place to look for parts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48D3EE10.2040203@SoCal.rr.com> Fred, Mine works with the original URL, with only the original http://tigerbits.org/ and the "wow." isn't needed. I attribute that to the *free* Mozilla FIREFOX browser, as well as the THUNDERBIRD e-mail free software from Mozilla. Google's new "Chrome Browser" uses the Firefox code for their new release (also free). BOTH are available for PC and Mac at http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/ Works fine and imports all your preferences, bookmarks, and e-mail previous addresses and messages. Has lots of security features, as well. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com WHIZZZBANG13 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/18/2008 7:45:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > sralsten at ca.rr.com writes: > > http://tigerbits.org/ > > > Make that _www.tigerbits.org_ (http://www.tigerbits.org) and it works. > > Fred Baum From sganz at pacbell.net Fri Sep 19 13:03:58 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:03:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] issues with tapping the oil filter lines Message-ID: <100236.69725.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I jumped in late here, but don't use that if the sender is in the main stream of the oil it will be a nice big restriction in the small -8 oil lines. I don't know if you can get a fitting for the pan's drain bolt that would be a good option. I think I have seen other adapters like that but better since they don't restrict the flow of oil for example - http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=1227 Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Owain Lloyd To: "tigers at autox.team.net" Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:51:01 AM Subject: [Tigers] issues with tapping the oil filter lines i run an oil filter in the wheel arch with -8AN hose to a block adapter. i'm trying to find an easy place to mount an oil temperature sender and i'm wondering if i could just put a fuel pressure gauge adapter between the oil block adapter and the hose end. i'm thinking of something like this: http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=RUS-670350 and then just screwing the oil temp sender (which looks like this: http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=ATM-2253) into that. any potential issues with impeding the flow of oil do you think? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Fri Sep 19 13:21:21 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:21:21 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] issues with tapping the oil filter lines In-Reply-To: <100236.69725.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <100236.69725.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0809191221o68e1f9acvbcdd5c8dfcf2429f@mail.gmail.com> that's what i was thinking too. well my other option is to run a -4AN T piece off my oil pressure line at the engine and screw the sensor into a 3/8 NPT union on that. there should be enough space for the sensor in the union, especially if i shave threads off the required reducer on the other side. i don't really want to stick it in the sump drain plug as it'll reduce ground clearance and i don't want to drill the LAT sump anywhere else, which seems to be usual route. thanks for your advice! - owain. On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Sandy Ganz wrote: > I jumped in late here, but don't use that if the sender is in the main stream of the oil it will be a nice big restriction in the small -8 oil lines. I don't know if you can get a fitting for the pan's drain bolt that would be a good option. I think I have seen other adapters like that but better since they don't restrict the flow of oil for example - > > http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=1227 > > > Sandy > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Owain Lloyd > To: "tigers at autox.team.net" > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 11:51:01 AM > Subject: [Tigers] issues with tapping the oil filter lines > > i run an oil filter in the wheel arch with -8AN hose to a block > adapter. i'm trying to find an easy place to mount an oil temperature > sender and i'm wondering if i could just put a fuel pressure gauge > adapter between the oil block adapter and the hose end. i'm thinking > of something like this: > http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=RUS-670350 and then > just screwing the oil temp sender (which looks like this: > http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=ATM-2253) into that. > > any potential issues with impeding the flow of oil do you think? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Sep 19 13:32:26 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:32:26 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] issues with tapping the oil filter lines Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F2FD@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> You want the oil to be flowing past the sender, otherwise you're going to get incorrect temperatures. My remote oil filter base has 1/2NPT fittings on each end of the inlet and outlet ports - the obvious place for me to put a sender (besides the fitting in my Canton pan) would be to put a 1/2 to 1/8NPT adapter in the end of one of these ports and screw the fitting into that. You might find that your filter base has enough beef to drill and thread for 1/8NPT somewhere, if it doesn't have the multiple ports to begin with. As Sandy suggested... -8 lines are a little skimpy for a remote filter setup especially if you end up running a couple feet of hose. Theo From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Fri Sep 19 13:49:06 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:49:06 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] issues with tapping the oil filter lines In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F2FD@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F2FD@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0809191249w7be289adg86a9a8abecea7941@mail.gmail.com> that's a good point. i also have those plugged ports on the back of the adapter but i'll have to check carefully that it'll clear the headers. you think -8 lines are too skimpy? well you've just given me a good excuse to put some nice shiny new -10 in instead :) On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > You want the oil to be flowing past the sender, otherwise you're going > to get incorrect temperatures. > My remote oil filter base has 1/2NPT fittings on each end of the inlet > and outlet ports - the obvious place for me to put a sender (besides the > fitting in my Canton pan) would be to put a 1/2 to 1/8NPT adapter in the > end of one of these ports and screw the fitting into that. You might > find that your filter base has enough beef to drill and thread for > 1/8NPT somewhere, if it doesn't have the multiple ports to begin with. > > As Sandy suggested... -8 lines are a little skimpy for a remote filter > setup especially if you end up running a couple feet of hose. > > Theo From sganz at pacbell.net Fri Sep 19 14:01:11 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: issues with tapping the oil filter lines Message-ID: <638411.64203.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am going to run -10's on the adapter and canton filter and I was feeling bad that -10's were on the small side ;-). I run -12's on the mustang with remote filter and cooler, but I think for a short run the -10's should be pretty good, definitly better then the -8's which just seem small. Check Petersen oil systems they may also have an external housing like the one at Pegasus. http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/TigerEngine.html (Mid page for Oil Filter). The way I was going to do it was similar to the spin on filter, but with a canton cartridge style. The adapter I have was left over from another project but had the -10s in it. I think it was from performance engineering or something like that. It's not at nice as the canton filter adapter but it is very narrow and looks like will be a better fit the the thicker canton version. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Owain Lloyd To: "Smit, Theo" Cc: Sandy Ganz ; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 12:49:06 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] issues with tapping the oil filter lines that's a good point. i also have those plugged ports on the back of the adapter but i'll have to check carefully that it'll clear the headers. you think -8 lines are too skimpy? well you've just given me a good excuse to put some nice shiny new -10 in instead :) On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > You want the oil to be flowing past the sender, otherwise you're going > to get incorrect temperatures. > My remote oil filter base has 1/2NPT fittings on each end of the inlet > and outlet ports - the obvious place for me to put a sender (besides the > fitting in my Canton pan) would be to put a 1/2 to 1/8NPT adapter in the > end of one of these ports and screw the fitting into that. You might > find that your filter base has enough beef to drill and thread for > 1/8NPT somewhere, if it doesn't have the multiple ports to begin with. > > As Sandy suggested... -8 lines are a little skimpy for a remote filter > setup especially if you end up running a couple feet of hose. > > Theo From Tigerman67 at hotmail.com Fri Sep 19 17:16:46 2008 From: Tigerman67 at hotmail.com (Tigerman) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:16:46 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Air Fuel Ratios Message-ID: Hi all, Well I hadn't driven my tiger in a while and it seems like something in the carb is gummed up, and the car seems to be running very rich. I plan on trying to get some carb cleaner though it to clean it up and make it run better, but I thought I would also ask a question that has interested me for a while. What air fuel ratios should a 60's era V-8 running a carb? I know that 'ideal' ratio is 14.7, but If I remember right, ideal ratio is too lean for a carb since it doesn't have the fancy O2 sensor that a factory Fuel Injection system would have. I also assume that there are probably multiple air fuel ratios that you should shoot for, depending on whether you are idling, heavy load, WOT, light load cruising, etc. So anyone have any nice simple rules of thumb for street cars? Thanks, Steve From sganz at pacbell.net Fri Sep 19 17:47:21 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Air Fuel Ratios Message-ID: <483084.64155.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't remember where I saw it but somewere it has some info on how 14.7 was chemically the best number but not for the best power (in the 12's rings a bell, but hit the web for more data). Might have been on one of the tuner sights or something where they have the cars on the dyno and doing fine fuel map tuning. I would guess all cars from the era ran on the rich side of things especially from the hydrocarbon producing 2V autolites ;) Like Bill Cosby said - "Burn the gunk out of it" Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Tigerman To: Tiger List Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 4:16:46 PM Subject: [Tigers] Air Fuel Ratios Hi all, Well I hadn't driven my tiger in a while and it seems like something in the carb is gummed up, and the car seems to be running very rich. I plan on trying to get some carb cleaner though it to clean it up and make it run better, but I thought I would also ask a question that has interested me for a while. What air fuel ratios should a 60's era V-8 running a carb? I know that 'ideal' ratio is 14.7, but If I remember right, ideal ratio is too lean for a carb since it doesn't have the fancy O2 sensor that a factory Fuel Injection system would have. I also assume that there are probably multiple air fuel ratios that you should shoot for, depending on whether you are idling, heavy load, WOT, light load cruising, etc. So anyone have any nice simple rules of thumb for street cars? Thanks, Steve _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From rtscolgan at yahoo.com Fri Sep 19 22:14:53 2008 From: rtscolgan at yahoo.com (Russ and Tammy C.) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:14:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: <954396.16842.qm@web50911.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I would like to know what the advantages of ceramic coating my headers for a 5 liter Ford would be. Anyone with firsthand knowledge or experience would be appreciated. Thanks, Russ From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 03:39:36 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:39:36 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <954396.16842.qm@web50911.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <954396.16842.qm@web50911.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0809200239n1e5b5fc9v529b55a54686bc1e@mail.gmail.com> my steel headers were pretty rusty and i knew they wouldn't last too long in damp england unless i protected them so when the engine was out earlier this year i had them ceramic coated inside and out. i chose the more serious black to the fancy chrome as it is apparently more efficient and handles higher temps. they say it also makes it quieter and even helps power but i didn't notice the former and the made too many other changes to test the latter. the major benefits were: - much lower under hood temperatures - and hence more comfortable cabin space - its very thin and so doesn't interfere with the tight frame rail clearances - they look nice disadvantage: - very expensive - i think about $700 using the exchange rate at the time i had them done. picuture before: http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/clutchRemoval/slides/CIMG4285.JPG and after: http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/engineReassembly1/slides/CIMG4478.JPG http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/engineReassembly1/slides/CIMG4480.JPG On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 5:14 AM, Russ and Tammy C. wrote: > I would like to know what the advantages of ceramic coating my headers for a 5 > liter Ford would be. Anyone with firsthand knowledge or experience would be > appreciated. > > Thanks, Russ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From rab65tiger at aol.com Sat Sep 20 16:32:07 2008 From: rab65tiger at aol.com (rab65tiger at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:32:07 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] generator and alternator pullies interchange ? Message-ID: <8CAE987D91E847B-124C-411B@webmail-me03.sysops.aol.com> Will the Hipo alternator pulley fit a generator, and vice versa? RAB From rab65tiger at aol.com Sat Sep 20 16:34:16 2008 From: rab65tiger at aol.com (rab65tiger at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:34:16 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Intake manifolds and rear water cross over? Message-ID: <8CAE988260A0315-124C-4129@webmail-me03.sysops.aol.com> Will a rear water cross over have an impact on Tiger cooling issues, or other impact? The less expensive knock off of edelbrocks have a rear water cross over. RAB From dave at munroe.ca Sat Sep 20 16:53:47 2008 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:53:47 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Intake manifolds and rear water cross over? In-Reply-To: <8CAE988260A0315-124C-4129@webmail-me03.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAE988260A0315-124C-4129@webmail-me03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <129D5CB135B14A28A9646C271F0725E2@DavePC> I don't know, but I can tell you that my Tiger cooling efforts have been rewarded. Today I attended a fund-raiser for ALS, and on the way home I followed a well-tuned AH3000 up the freeway at highly illegal speeds. My oil pressure (previously a big issue as it would drop alarmingly) never fell below 50 psi, and the temperature gauge never registered higher that 170F. clearly my 180F thermostat has stuck open. I have a new 195F on the way which should get the temp up closer to where everyone says these SBF engines like to run. Sure is nice to have a"cool" Tiger.. Thanks to everyone who offered advice, answered questions, and were genuinely interested in my Tiger cooling problem. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 7:34 PM Subject: [Tigers] Intake manifolds and rear water cross over? > Will a rear water cross over have an impact on Tiger cooling issues, or > other impact? > The less expensive knock off of edelbrocks have a rear water cross over. From sralsten at ca.rr.com Sat Sep 20 19:49:14 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:49:14 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Stumbled on June 1962 R&T magazine Message-ID: <001101c91b8c$40c6edc0$6801a8c0@DELL4600> You know it just seems unfair to not have access to a time machine sometimes. I promise I'd only use it for car purchases. This issue of R&T had a Harrington Alpine for sale.... And a Road Test of an Alpine Lemans GT. . http://www.mozartforum.com/images/car/sb_lemans_cvr.jpg http://www.mozartforum.com/images/car/sb_lemans_p1.jpg http://www.mozartforum.com/images/car/sb_lemans_p2.jpg http://www.mozartforum.com/images/car/harrington_alpine_lemans_advert.jpg http://www.mozartforum.com/images/car/alpine_sebring_advert.jpg The 4th link is a bit fuzzy. It is a small for sale by private party ad in the back of the magazine.It also happened to have 2 Ferrari 250 GT's for sale both under $7,000 From sralsten at ca.rr.com Sat Sep 20 19:54:04 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:54:04 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] I want to change my steering wheel Message-ID: <001b01c91b8c$eddaa330$6801a8c0@DELL4600> I've got a factory wheel in original very good condition but the varnish is darkened and starting to crack. I want to replace it with the cheapest possible $29 Pep Boys wheel while I refinish it. How do I remove the factory wheel and am I going to need any adaptor to put a Pep Boys Grant's brand wheel on ? Any non Pep Boys suggestions that are cheap are also welcome. Thanks Steve From slaughy at rogers.com Sat Sep 20 20:16:14 2008 From: slaughy at rogers.com (Shaun Laughy) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:16:14 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Engine Woes - The Last Word Message-ID: <48B9642AD36648CA9313CE9DE427C647@main> Well, after missing a good part of the summer, I'm happy to report that my Tiger is back on the road and running very well. Although it seems like ancient history now, hopefully many of you will remember the poor-running issues that surfaced after I went off the road while avoiding a head-on with a bunch of drunk teens. It's taken quite a while to reach a resolution, mostly as a result of my crazy work schedule, but I am happy to be able to put the problem behind me. When I last reported, I had decided to replace the distributor as there definitely seemed to be some issues with it (play, no spring action), and I am very happy with the result. Starting is much better now, and the car runs noticeably better overall. However, that wasn't the only problem I found, nor the most serious. The first sign of major issues was found using an infrared thermometer, which quickly isolated the problem to cylinders 2 and 3. While all the others had temps measuring about 500 degrees (measured at the head pipes), 2 & 3 measured only about 200 degrees. A compression test confirmed the problem, with these two being WELL below the others. At this point, I was short on time to work on it, and quickly running out of summer, so I decided to enlist some professional assistance, and took it to a local shop that came highly recommended. They quickly repeated the diagnostic steps, checked the valve train (fine) and then pulled the heads. As I had suspected, the head gasket was essentially gone between 2 & 3. So, the other head came off, both were magafluxed without issue, and then resurfaced. Everything was then reassembled and tuned, and I'm happy to report that it runs VERY well. I would like to thank everyone who offered advice when I was trying to diagnose the problem. There were a tremendous number of helpful suggestions, and I'm sure it would have taken me much longer to find the problem on my own. Considering I was initially looking at something that occurred as a result of my (mild) off-road excursion, it's interesting that it was likely completely coincidental that the gasket let go at that exact moment. Somewhat wiser, definitely broker, and Tigering once again, Shaun From DJoh797014 at aol.com Sat Sep 20 20:29:19 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:29:19 EDT Subject: [Tigers] I want to change my steering wheel Message-ID: Steering wheel removal is simple, follow your nose. 1. remove the black surround. two small screws on each end and another middle. 2. Loosen adjuster and lower wheel about half way. 3. Reomve the center motif. Pry very gently under the outside of the chrome. 4. Remove the nut and washer. 5. Remove the black adjuster ring. 6. Remove the horn ring and its mounting screws. Unhook the power lead to the horn ring the goes through the steering wheel. 7. grab the steering wheel and pull upwards while jiggling. don't let the adjusting shaft go down into the column. You should have a split nylon washer about 1/8 in thick that prevents that. Now would be a great time to send your entire steering column to the lister in WA state for rebuilding. I'm told it makes a world of difference. Dave In a message dated 9/20/2008 8:54:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sralsten at ca.rr.com writes: I've got a factory wheel in original very good condition but the varnish is darkened and starting to crack. I want to replace it with the cheapest possible $29 Pep Boys wheel while I refinish it. How do I remove the factory wheel and am I going to need any adaptor to put a Pep Boys Grant's brand wheel on ? Any non Pep Boys suggestions that are cheap are also welcome. Thanks Steve You are subscribed as djoh797014 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From achd73 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 21 01:57:01 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 00:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] I want to change my steering wheel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <227108.49230.qm@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Use an Alpine wheel instead. I will loan you one I plan on regluing the wood from an orginal Tiger that has cracked plastic- maybe I might have one thats rough you can use and then keep as opposed to mailing it back. Let me know , if you want the rough one- pay for shipping one way or the good one, ship back when you refinish your Tiger wheel. regards, TonytheTiger --- On Sat, 9/20/08, DJoh797014 at aol.com wrote: > From: DJoh797014 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Tigers] I want to change my steering wheel > To: sralsten at ca.rr.com, tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 9:29 PM > Steering wheel removal is simple, follow your nose. > > 1. remove the black surround. two small screws on each > end > and another middle. > 2. Loosen adjuster and lower wheel about half way. > 3. Reomve the center motif. Pry very gently under the > outside > of the chrome. > 4. Remove the nut and washer. > 5. Remove the black adjuster ring. > 6. Remove the horn ring and its mounting screws. Unhook > the power lead to the horn ring the goes through the > steering > wheel. > 7. grab the steering wheel and pull upwards while jiggling. > don't let the adjusting shaft go down into the > column. You > should have a split nylon washer about 1/8 in thick > that > prevents that. > > Now would be a great time to send your entire steering > column > to the lister in WA state for rebuilding. I'm told it > makes a > world of difference. > > Dave > > > In a message dated 9/20/2008 8:54:35 P.M. Central Daylight > Time, > sralsten at ca.rr.com writes: > > I've got a factory wheel in original very good > condition > but the varnish is darkened and starting to crack. I want > to > replace it with the cheapest possible $29 Pep Boys wheel > while I refinish it. How do I remove the factory wheel and > am I going > to need any adaptor to put a Pep Boys Grant's brand > wheel on ? > > Any non Pep Boys suggestions that are cheap are also > welcome. > > Thanks > > Steve > You are subscribed as djoh797014 at aol.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your > real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and > information, tips and > calculators. > (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as achd73 at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From srwick at hotmail.com Sun Sep 21 08:19:54 2008 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 07:19:54 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rear Brake lock plates Message-ID: I'm missing a set of what Sunbeam Specialties call "Lock Plates" for the rear brake wheel cylinders. They go on top of the tension spring and hold the wheel cylinder in place. Does anyone have an extra set they want to get rid of, or know where they are available? Thanks. I'll make a set if I have to, but would rather not. Steve From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sun Sep 21 08:23:59 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 10:23:59 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] I want to change my steering wheel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <6C960E6E02814B859535B20D34CFBF2C@ronpc1> To add to this I always suggest you read the shop manual; one is located online @ Tigersunited.com. Here is section J. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmJ1.asp Page J4; cross section of the steering column. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmJ4.asp Page J6; the steering wheel section which continues on page 7. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmJ6.asp As for the Pep Boy steering wheel; I have no idea. You will need to see how the 2 wheels compare once you remove your steering wheel. You might need to make an adaptor plate to make the Pep Boys wheel fit. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of DJoh797014 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 10:29 PM To: sralsten at ca.rr.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] I want to change my steering wheel Steering wheel removal is simple, follow your nose. 1. remove the black surround. two small screws on each end and another middle. 2. Loosen adjuster and lower wheel about half way. 3. Reomve the center motif. Pry very gently under the outside of the chrome. 4. Remove the nut and washer. 5. Remove the black adjuster ring. 6. Remove the horn ring and its mounting screws. Unhook the power lead to the horn ring the goes through the steering wheel. 7. grab the steering wheel and pull upwards while jiggling. don't let the adjusting shaft go down into the column. You should have a split nylon washer about 1/8 in thick that prevents that. Now would be a great time to send your entire steering column to the lister in WA state for rebuilding. I'm told it makes a world of difference. Dave In a message dated 9/20/2008 8:54:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sralsten at ca.rr.com writes: I've got a factory wheel in original very good condition but the varnish is darkened and starting to crack. I want to replace it with the cheapest possible $29 Pep Boys wheel while I refinish it. How do I remove the factory wheel and am I going to need any adaptor to put a Pep Boys Grant's brand wheel on ? Any non Pep Boys suggestions that are cheap are also welcome. Thanks Steve You are subscribed as djoh797014 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1682 - Release Date: 9/20/2008 10:24 AM From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sun Sep 21 09:08:52 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 11:08:52 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Rear Brake lock plates In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3408E89C940A4B698B2BBF36A378A71E@ronpc1> Steve The 71 Datsun 510 used a similar system, however I have never investigated whether or not they are compatible with or will hold the Sunbeam cylinder in place. It has been over 20 years since I got rid of that 510 and I use to have a Haynes manual for it somewhere but I don't see it now. It appears you need to buy a rear cylinder to get the parts. I have no idea if those parts are available separately. http://www.partsamerica.com/productdetail.aspx?MfrCode=TRQ&MfrPartNumber=W96 472&PartType=232&PTSet=A If you try them; report back if they will work or not. Maybe someone on the list already knows. Have you contacted Classic Sunbeam? http://classicsunbeam.com/ Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steve wick Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 10:20 AM To: tigers Subject: [Tigers] Rear Brake lock plates I'm missing a set of what Sunbeam Specialties call "Lock Plates" for the rear brake wheel cylinders. They go on top of the tension spring and hold the wheel cylinder in place. Does anyone have an extra set they want to get rid of, or know where they are available? Thanks. I'll make a set if I have to, but would rather not. Steve You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1682 - Release Date: 9/20/2008 10:24 AM From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Sun Sep 21 11:45:21 2008 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 12:45:21 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] air dam Message-ID: Who was it that offered the air dam kit for a Tiger a couple of years back? Is the kit still available? Found a guy in SC with a Tiger who needs one badly. Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From lon at sedona.net Sun Sep 21 14:20:10 2008 From: lon at sedona.net (Lon) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 13:20:10 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Panasport Paint Message-ID: <000c01c91c27$728faa90$57aeffb0$@net> This should be far easier than this. I can't seem to match the Panasport paint (silver) . . . even tried mixing sprays of gray and aluminum. Is there a tried and true color I'm missing? From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sun Sep 21 14:44:31 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:44:31 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Panasport Paint In-Reply-To: <000c01c91c27$728faa90$57aeffb0$@net> Message-ID: <3CE49DF31ABF45F197A80BD214E82E3F@ronpc1> Many wheels are painted Argent color but I do not know exactly with Panasport. Have you tried contacting Panasport about their silver paint? Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Lon Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 4:20 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Panasport Paint This should be far easier than this. I can't seem to match the Panasport paint (silver) . . . even tried mixing sprays of gray and aluminum. Is there a tried and true color I'm missing? You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1682 - Release Date: 9/20/2008 10:24 AM From dave at munroe.ca Sun Sep 21 16:14:02 2008 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:14:02 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] air dam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think it was Tim Ronak... Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "James E. Pickard" To: Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 2:45 PM Subject: [Tigers] air dam > Who was it that offered the air dam kit for a Tiger a couple of years > back? > Is the kit still available? Found a guy in SC with a Tiger who needs one > badly. Thanks. > > Jim Pickard > B9473298 ('65 Tiger) > AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold > 2003 Mini Cooper > Lafayette, LA > _______________________________________________ From jimboynton at comcast.net Sun Sep 21 16:37:40 2008 From: jimboynton at comcast.net (jimboynton at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:37:40 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] air dam Message-ID: <092120082237.3506.48D6CCB40006BE9F00000DB2220073483002019B0297010D030706@comcast.net> It was Tim. I purchased the horn blocking kit he offered but not the air dam. > > > > Who was it that offered the air dam kit for a Tiger a couple of years > > back? > > Is the kit still available? Found a guy in SC with a Tiger who needs one > > badly. Thanks. > > > > Jim Pickard > > B9473298 ('65 Tiger) > > AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold > > 2003 Mini Cooper > > Lafayette, LA > > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jimboynton at comcast.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From Sjhcobra1 at cs.com Sun Sep 21 17:38:54 2008 From: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Sjhcobra1 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:38:54 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] air dam Message-ID: <26769DE9.00F3FC1F.028BE4CD@cs.com> Mike Scharf in South Carolina makes a nice set. He can be reached at triumphkid at msn.com. Steve Halbrook From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Sun Sep 21 19:12:20 2008 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:12:20 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tim Ronak Message-ID: <975AE7D53F02450B89B085344C7E46F2@JEPHome> Anybody have an e-mail address for Tim Ronak? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From mk1a67 at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 20:18:58 2008 From: mk1a67 at gmail.com (Cliff Alexander) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:18:58 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <39a841b0809200239n1e5b5fc9v529b55a54686bc1e@mail.gmail.com> References: <954396.16842.qm@web50911.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <39a841b0809200239n1e5b5fc9v529b55a54686bc1e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8abbe6e00809211918m20f49de8le56a0b33060b4e92@mail.gmail.com> I used CermaKrome coating from Caps Brite Hot and I'm very happy with it. The PO had put chrome headers on the car and the chrome was looking bad and there was some surface rust and a few pin holes. The coating is both inside and outside, covered the few pin holes and looks great. The new coating seems to keep the heat down under the hood. As for price I don't remember. Be sure to fit your headers before you have them coated so you can massage with a hammer without worrying about the finish. Cliff On 9/20/08, Owain Lloyd wrote: > > my steel headers were pretty rusty and i knew they wouldn't last too > long in damp england unless i protected them so when the engine was > out earlier this year i had them ceramic coated inside and out. i > chose the more serious black to the fancy chrome as it is apparently > more efficient and handles higher temps. they say it also makes it > quieter and even helps power but i didn't notice the former and the > made too many other changes to test the latter. > > the major benefits were: > - much lower under hood temperatures > - and hence more comfortable cabin space > - its very thin and so doesn't interfere with the tight frame rail > clearances > - they look nice > > disadvantage: > - very expensive - i think about $700 using the exchange rate at the > time i had them done. > > picuture before: > > http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/clutchRemoval/slides/CIMG4285.JPG > and after: > > http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/engineReassembly1/slides/CIMG4478.JPG > > http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/engineReassembly1/slides/CIMG4480.JPG > > On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 5:14 AM, Russ and Tammy C. > wrote: > > I would like to know what the advantages of ceramic coating my headers > for a 5 > > liter Ford would be. Anyone with firsthand knowledge or experience would > be > > appreciated. > > > > Thanks, Russ > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mk1a67 at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From sralsten at ca.rr.com Sun Sep 21 20:34:46 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:34:46 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] One more image from that 1962 R&T Message-ID: <000501c91c5b$c7f47c20$6801a8c0@DELL4600> There was one more thing I didn't notice on first thumb through of that magazine. It's a full page advert from Ford. One can assume the Rootes people were reading this issue to check their Alpine ad and certainly to read the Alpine Lemans GT road test. I wonder if any of them noticed this Ford ad and if it had anything to do with starting the Tiger....... http://www.mozartforum.com/images/car/ford_260_ad.jpg From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 21 21:42:40 2008 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 23:42:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Girling Brake Booster Question Message-ID: <000c01c91c65$44a86110$6401a8c0@your03667082de> I have a Girling brake booster that was rebuilt several years ago and has sat on a shelf since then. Don't know who did the rebuild. Is there any way to test the booster or check the inside to see if its still in good, usable shape before I install it? My preference is to avoid finding out if its bad on the road and crashing into something. Jeff From todbrown at roadrunner.com Sun Sep 21 22:08:20 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 00:08:20 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] I want to change my steering wheel Message-ID: <48D71A34.20809@roadrunner.com> Steve: It's hard to find an adapter to fit the steering column on a Tiger, but you can look for an adapter for an early Ford Cortina (69-70) that will allow you to use a Grants wheel. Tod B382002384LRXFE From Greg.Koss at TRW.COM Mon Sep 22 06:44:52 2008 From: Greg.Koss at TRW.COM (Greg Koss) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:44:52 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] I want to change my steering wheel In-Reply-To: <001b01c91b8c$eddaa330$6801a8c0@DELL4600> References: <001b01c91b8c$eddaa330$6801a8c0@DELL4600> Message-ID: <48D75B04.880C.0076.0@TRW.COM> Steve, I would suggest a used Alpine wheel. >>> "Steve Ralsten" 9/20/2008 9:54 PM >>> I've got a factory wheel in original very good condition but the varnish is darkened and starting to crack. I want to replace it with the cheapest possible $29 Pep Boys wheel while I refinish it. How do I remove the factory wheel and am I going to need any adaptor to put a Pep Boys Grant's brand wheel on ? Any non Pep Boys suggestions that are cheap are also welcome. Thanks Steve From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Mon Sep 22 07:26:03 2008 From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:26:03 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Rear Brake lock plates Message-ID: Here is the email I sent Steve about an article I wrote for the Rootes Review. Fred Baum **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) Return-path: From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Full-name: FHSLOTH13 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:21:22 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rear Brake lock plates To: srwick at hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 910 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain An article I wrote for the March, 2008 Rootes Review (TE/AE newsletter) shows a crossover from Austin-Healey (any A-H 3000) and Jaguar parts that solve the problem of not being able to obtain Sunbeam parts. The A-H parts are available from Moss Motors and are as follows: Retaining springs - part # 582-220 Locking plates - part #582-210 Rubber dust cover - part #582-190 Rear wheel cylinder - 021-151 Hope this helps. Fred Baum Editor, the Rootes Review **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From bparlee at cfl.rr.com Mon Sep 22 12:05:53 2008 From: bparlee at cfl.rr.com (Bradley Parlee) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:05:53 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] MG rack kit to fix angles issue Message-ID: <005401c91cdd$daf7c1b0$6400a8c0@JULIA2> Has anyone put the MG rack conversion into a car or even driven one with this done? I've had my very stock Tiger together for about 9 years and I need to change the rack bellows. While I'm in there I thought I may put this "corrective kit in. I've never liked the steering much with even just my moderately over sized 205/60R13s - especially when backing up. Any comments or has this topic been worn out somewhere I can go read up? Brad Parlee Mk I Moonstone From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 13:15:02 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:15:02 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] MG rack kit to fix angles issue In-Reply-To: <005401c91cdd$daf7c1b0$6400a8c0@JULIA2> References: <005401c91cdd$daf7c1b0$6400a8c0@JULIA2> Message-ID: <39a841b0809221215i77725f58mb35e2ddc3bff4c46@mail.gmail.com> hi bradley, i did this conversion this spring. its a simple enough procedure using the mounting kit that dale makes and the only down side i find is that the steering is a bit harder, especially when stationary. i have a small steering wheel and 205 front tires which doesn't help. now on to the benefits. its much easier to set the toe and to set it accurately. the car is more predictable in tight corners - less of the scrubbing under steer shortly followed by over steer - now it just turns in nicely with over steer if you give it too much. same thing - but no more tire scrub when backing up. i also like the closer ratio on small windy roads. so on balance i'm very happy with the set up. On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Bradley Parlee wrote: > Has anyone put the MG rack conversion into a car or even driven one with > this done? I've had my very stock Tiger together for about 9 years and I > need to change the rack bellows. While I'm in there I thought I may put > this "corrective kit in. I've never liked the steering much with even just > my moderately over sized 205/60R13s - especially when backing up. Any > comments or has this topic been worn out somewhere I can go read up? > > Brad Parlee > Mk I Moonstone > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From atwittsend at verizon.net Mon Sep 22 13:18:55 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:18:55 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] MG rack kit to fix angles issue References: <005401c91cdd$daf7c1b0$6400a8c0@JULIA2> Message-ID: Brad, No first hand experience. But, there are a few things to consider. The rack has a faster steering ratio that may make turning (especially at low speeds) more difficult. This would be compounded if you have a smaller steering wheel. I actually attempted the conversion myself, but unknowingly bought the later model rack. This rack will actually bolt right to the Tiger location with some spacers (or washers) using the Midget mounts. A problem arises in that the later rack has smaller rods and I didn't know of any part available to adapt the smaller size to the appropriate tie rod ends. I now have a small lathe, so someday, maybe... . I did install the MGB steering arms. If they don't come with Dale's kit (or his kit doesn't have them slotted) file the bolt hole that needs to be elongated in a way that put the arm forward. While minor every little bit helps. Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1684 - Release Date: 9/22/2008 6:39 AM From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Mon Sep 22 15:39:14 2008 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:39:14 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Girling Brake Booster Question In-Reply-To: <000c01c91c65$44a86110$6401a8c0@your03667082de> References: <000c01c91c65$44a86110$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: <0C22A3E81649405C8A61F23707A063EF@jerry> Jeff, I don't know of anyway to check a booster; it would take a good vacuum source and also a hydraulic source to operate it, which of course would be your car. If the rebuild was done properly I would think it would work just fine as long as the hydraulic and vacuum openings were covered during the shelf life. There is nowhere the fluid can go except inside the vacuum can and you wouldn't know that unless you check the fluid level often after you install the booster. There is a seal on the vacuum piston rod and if that fails or leaks you will get fluid in the can then eventually in the intake manifold, that's why it's important to monitor the fluid level. If it's going down and there aren't any leaks on the four wheels it's a good bet that is where the leak is. Put it in and make sure there isn't any thing in front of you as you try it the first time. ;) Good luck. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 10:43 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Girling Brake Booster Question I have a Girling brake booster that was rebuilt several years ago and has sat on a shelf since then. Don't know who did the rebuild. Is there any way to test the booster or check the inside to see if its still in good, usable shape before I install it? My preference is to avoid finding out if its bad on the road and crashing into something. Jeff You are subscribed as jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 17:01:16 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 00:01:16 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] soft top vinyl bag Message-ID: <39a841b0809221601m7d5e22bao9fa6e579d1ff197b@mail.gmail.com> hi all, i have more or less finished replacing my soft top which turned out not to be the nightmare that i was expecting, looks good and seals well. many thanks to all who sent me tips and instructions. there is just one point that i'm not sure about. there is a rubberised fabric piece that also attaches under the rear alumin(i)um strip. does the front of the piece attach to padded roll and hence seal off the trunk (and provide a bag for the folded top to sit in) or does it attach in the trunk to the part where the shocks are mounted? also, how do the side parts of this piece get attached? i think maybe my piece is not original and was made by an upholstery shop when the previous top was (incorrectly) fitted. thanks! From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Sep 22 17:57:38 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:57:38 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] soft top vinyl bag In-Reply-To: <39a841b0809221601m7d5e22bao9fa6e579d1ff197b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Owain I found it a bit hard to follow what you are looking for and unfortunately there are no illustration available to help. I'll give it a good whack. The fabric piece should have a plastic lip on one end that presses over a metal edge under the soft top just in front of the shock holes. The other end should have 2 metal inserts and attaches to an upper metal edge in the trunk area just forward of the trunk opening. There are 8 attachment holes for pop rivets originally; I have small screws holding mine right now. This fabric sort of closes off the trunk area. The sides of this fabric just float. The original fabric is a thin vinyl upholstery material with pebble pattern. Hope this helps Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:01 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] soft top vinyl bag hi all, i have more or less finished replacing my soft top which turned out not to be the nightmare that i was expecting, looks good and seals well. many thanks to all who sent me tips and instructions. there is just one point that i'm not sure about. there is a rubberised fabric piece that also attaches under the rear alumin(i)um strip. does the front of the piece attach to padded roll and hence seal off the trunk (and provide a bag for the folded top to sit in) or does it attach in the trunk to the part where the shocks are mounted? also, how do the side parts of this piece get attached? i think maybe my piece is not original and was made by an upholstery shop when the previous top was (incorrectly) fitted. thanks! You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1685 - Release Date: 9/22/2008 4:08 PM From motoys2001 at comcast.net Mon Sep 22 23:03:18 2008 From: motoys2001 at comcast.net (motoys2001 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 05:03:18 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Chicagoland Vintage Ford Powered Show Message-ID: <092320080503.2331.48D8789600062C010000091B2209224627CECFCFCD9C97019B0103@comcast.net> Hey Chicagoland Tiger Owners, The Chicago Vintage Mustang Club is hosting their Second Annual Trackside Vintage Mustang & Ford Car Show at the Autobahn Country Club Joliet this Sunday, September 28. For more info: http://www.chicago-mustang.com/autobahn2008.pdf Bonus for Car Show registrants: Free on track lunch time parade laps! The Northwoods Region Shelby Club is hosting their "Northwoods Gran Prix" on track. Spectating and paddock is open to all. For directions to the Autobahn: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=109815939165869628679.000443016b692ac232b65&om=1&ll=41.453734,-88.12638&spn=0.090189,0.178528&z=13&iwloc=0004430179c4e26828c27 Do not miss this event! Regards, Henry V From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 06:11:16 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:11:16 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] soft top vinyl bag In-Reply-To: References: <39a841b0809221601m7d5e22bao9fa6e579d1ff197b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0809230511l16a4bdaagb1a3e93b6d26fb75@mail.gmail.com> yes, i'm a little confused myself and its hard to photograph that area. i think you're saying that the 'bag' isn't really a bag at all and just provides a vertical fabric barrier into the trunk. i'll see if i can inspect someone else's car.... thanks ron. On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 12:57 AM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Owain > I found it a bit hard to follow what you are looking for and > unfortunately there are no illustration available to help. I'll give it a > good whack. > > The fabric piece should have a plastic lip on one end that presses over a > metal edge under the soft top just in front of the shock holes. The other > end should have 2 metal inserts and attaches to an upper metal edge in the > trunk area just forward of the trunk opening. There are 8 attachment holes > for pop rivets originally; I have small screws holding mine right now. > This fabric sort of closes off the trunk area. The sides of this fabric > just float. The original fabric is a thin vinyl upholstery material with > pebble pattern. > > Hope this helps > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Owain Lloyd > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:01 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] soft top vinyl bag > > > hi all, > > i have more or less finished replacing my soft top which turned out not to > be the nightmare that i was expecting, looks good and seals well. many > thanks to all who sent me tips and instructions. there is just one point > that i'm not sure about. there is a rubberised fabric piece that also > attaches under the rear alumin(i)um strip. does the front of the piece > attach to padded roll and hence seal off the trunk (and provide a bag for > the folded top to sit in) or does it attach in the trunk to the part where > the shocks are mounted? > > also, how do the side parts of this piece get attached? i think maybe my > piece is not original and was made by an upholstery shop when the previous > top was (incorrectly) fitted. > > thanks! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1685 - Release Date: 9/22/2008 > 4:08 PM From dave at munroe.ca Tue Sep 23 07:07:19 2008 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:07:19 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] SBF Distributor questions In-Reply-To: <39a841b0809230511l16a4bdaagb1a3e93b6d26fb75@mail.gmail.com> References: <39a841b0809221601m7d5e22bao9fa6e579d1ff197b@mail.gmail.com> <39a841b0809230511l16a4bdaagb1a3e93b6d26fb75@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <441A7FAAFC334DD18F2A8A2926DC20E2@DavePC> I had some ignition issues that I finally traced to a vacuum advance unit that had a big hole in the diaphragm. I ordered a replacement from Summit, and recieved a wierd looking unit with a cast iron flange that looks like it should bolt to an intake manifold, has a steel cannister and a spigot for a tube. It is adjustable with an Allen wrench through the spigot. Definitely not for my car! This resulted from the order guy having difficulty finding a part number for the proper replacement unit. He asked some questions I couldn't answer: What is the model number of the distributor? (where is this number located and is it likely I could find it without removing the distrib?) The distributor cap has a slot in the bottom rim to locate the cap on the distrib body, but there is no matching tab on the distributor. Is this unusual for a Tiger distributor? As it is the cap is free to rotate, confined only by the wires' resistance to rotation. Thanks for your help. Dave From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Sep 23 07:51:31 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:51:31 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] SBF Distributor questions In-Reply-To: <441A7FAAFC334DD18F2A8A2926DC20E2@DavePC> Message-ID: <93383B38BA154551A721DCB7CDCAD206@ronpc1> Dave Ford has 2 styles of distributor; early and late style. Early style has a round center section and generally has an oil hole and cap to the right of the vacuum can. This is the one illustrated in the Shop manual and the Rootes parts list. Later style has a tri lobe center section; this style was introduced for the 1965 model year, a C50F casting #. The tab for the distributor cap is part of the vacuum canister assembly. The part # and date code for the distributor is just above the rear cap spring clip. I have a later style distributor in my hand; part # C8AF 12127 E, date code 8G23 = July 23,1968 The casting # is C8OF-12131-A; this # is located on the center section below the vacuum can. I'm using a Crane Cam adjustable vacuum can #99606-1. The original Ford part #s for an early style distributor can be found on the Tigerunited site. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/17-WF-Electical Equipment.pdf Most of the part are used in the later style except the mechanical advance parts which changed to a better design. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Dave Munroe [mailto:dave at munroe.ca] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:07 AM To: rfraser at bluefrog.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: SBF Distributor questions I had some ignition issues that I finally traced to a vacuum advance unit that had a big hole in the diaphragm. I ordered a replacement from Summit, and recieved a wierd looking unit with a cast iron flange that looks like it should bolt to an intake manifold, has a steel cannister and a spigot for a tube. It is adjustable with an Allen wrench through the spigot. Definitely not for my car! This resulted from the order guy having difficulty finding a part number for the proper replacement unit. He asked some questions I couldn't answer: What is the model number of the distributor? (where is this number located and is it likely I could find it without removing the distrib?) The distributor cap has a slot in the bottom rim to locate the cap on the distrib body, but there is no matching tab on the distributor. Is this unusual for a Tiger distributor? As it is the cap is free to rotate, confined only by the wires' resistance to rotation. Thanks for your help. Dave No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.0/1685 - Release Date: 9/23/2008 7:38 AM From dave at munroe.ca Tue Sep 23 08:36:46 2008 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:36:46 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] SBF Distributor questions In-Reply-To: <93383B38BA154551A721DCB7CDCAD206@ronpc1> References: <93383B38BA154551A721DCB7CDCAD206@ronpc1> Message-ID: Thanks Ron; You are a fountain of information. I exercised some diligence, stood on my head with a flashlight and a magnifying glass, and found these numbers: C2DF 12127 J 2BC Looks like a unit between stock and your later version. When we did the engine re-build, the rod bearing inserts were marked 1967, and it is a 289 block, so its likely the distributor came with this engine that was probably out of an American (Mustang?) car. (My car came from Mass.) I took the vacuum advance unit off and it had no numbers on it, nor a tab to locate the dizzy cap. Must be a unit off another distributor. At any rate, thanks also for the number of the Crane adjustable vacuum canister. The poor guy at Summit had a tough time finding the proper advance unit for me. I will call back and give them this number. In the meantime, I have locked the vacuum advance plate and set the timing normally. Should be ok until I get the new unit installed. Thanks again, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Fraser" To: "'Dave Munroe'" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:51 AM Subject: RE: SBF Distributor questions Dave Ford has 2 styles of distributor; early and late style. Early style has a round center section and generally has an oil hole and cap to the right of the vacuum can. This is the one illustrated in the Shop manual and the Rootes parts list. Later style has a tri lobe center section; this style was introduced for the 1965 model year, a C50F casting #. The tab for the distributor cap is part of the vacuum canister assembly. The part # and date code for the distributor is just above the rear cap spring clip. I have a later style distributor in my hand; part # C8AF 12127 E, date code 8G23 = July 23,1968 The casting # is C8OF-12131-A; this # is located on the center section below the vacuum can. I'm using a Crane Cam adjustable vacuum can #99606-1. The original Ford part #s for an early style distributor can be found on the Tigerunited site. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/17-WF-Electical Equipment.pdf Most of the part are used in the later style except the mechanical advance parts which changed to a better design. Ron Fraser From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Sep 23 09:35:14 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:35:14 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] SBF Distributor questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7050540CD08F4A0ABC8E92E8F48E6383@ronpc1> Dave You have an early style, 1962 distributor and it should have an oil port and a round center section; date code = third week of Feb 1962. The # is more likely C20F; I do not have a listing for a C2DF part. C20F 12127 J is for a 221 engine; the earliest 289 would have a C3AF distributor. The engine block will have a build date code on a machined pad just in front of the left head, unless the block was decked then it might be gone. The ID #s on the distributor generally follow with the model year of the car. The biggest problem with the early style distributor is the mechanical advance mechanism, it wears too quickly. I suggest you pull the breaker plates out and examine the Cam plate slots for wear and the posts on the 2 weights for wear. If these parts are worn any the advance curve will hang up sooner or later and you will need to locate a new distributor. The parts for the early style distributor are nearly unobtainable now or very costly if you find them plus they will wear out just the same. That is the reason for the later style distributor and the better advance mechanism with very much less wear characteristics. Personally I would look for a Later style distributor at a swap meet or a wrecking yard that has older car available, even EBay will have them and rebuild it myself, but that is me. I believe all the Early Mustang Catalogs carry the later style distributors if you just want to get a new or remanufactured one. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Dave Munroe [mailto:dave at munroe.ca] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:37 AM To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: SBF Distributor questions Thanks Ron; You are a fountain of information. I exercised some diligence, stood on my head with a flashlight and a magnifying glass, and found these numbers: C2DF 12127 J 2BC Looks like a unit between stock and your later version. When we did the engine re-build, the rod bearing inserts were marked 1967, and it is a 289 block, so its likely the distributor came with this engine that was probably out of an American (Mustang?) car. (My car came from Mass.) I took the vacuum advance unit off and it had no numbers on it, nor a tab to locate the dizzy cap. Must be a unit off another distributor. At any rate, thanks also for the number of the Crane adjustable vacuum canister. The poor guy at Summit had a tough time finding the proper advance unit for me. I will call back and give them this number. In the meantime, I have locked the vacuum advance plate and set the timing normally. Should be ok until I get the new unit installed. Thanks again, Dave From dsmtjoy at cox.net Tue Sep 23 09:53:00 2008 From: dsmtjoy at cox.net (Mountjoy) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:53:00 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] testing Message-ID: <000f01c91d94$74d37430$0201a8c0@computer> testing. From Sjhcobra1 at cs.com Tue Sep 23 10:34:50 2008 From: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Sjhcobra1 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:34:50 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] soft top vinyl bag Message-ID: <1F6C3C9F.51E8139D.028BE4CD@cs.com> Owain: The Mk1A and Mk2 trunk curtains are like Ron describes. My Mk1 has snaps across the bottom and two on each inner wheel well. Steve Halbrook From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 10:55:47 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:55:47 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] soft top vinyl bag In-Reply-To: <1F6C3C9F.51E8139D.028BE4CD@cs.com> References: <1F6C3C9F.51E8139D.028BE4CD@cs.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0809230955u7d18b4d6jd822444488b76560@mail.gmail.com> 'trunk curtain' - that describes it well. ok thanks, i think i understand now. i will need to attach some snaps though. so under the soft top (between the curtain and the curved rear 'seat' back, there isn't really anything other than the metal body? now i just need to figure out what to do with the loose sides of the soft top.... On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:34 PM, wrote: > Owain: > > The Mk1A and Mk2 trunk curtains are like Ron describes. My Mk1 has snaps across the bottom and two on each inner wheel well. > > Steve Halbrook From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Sep 23 11:19:27 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:19:27 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] soft top vinyl bag In-Reply-To: <39a841b0809230955u7d18b4d6jd822444488b76560@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0BAA60E3E4584C4CB61DBBC02AF3C9FE@ronpc1> Owain I just need to figure out what to do with the loose sides of the soft top.... I believe SS has a part for that; it is a small metal clip that hooks the top fabric to the aluminum side rails. Part # AT71 There are some other ways to do this but this is a good solution. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Owain Lloyd [mailto:owain.lloyd at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:56 PM To: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com Cc: rfraser at bluefrog.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] soft top vinyl bag 'trunk curtain' - that describes it well. ok thanks, i think i understand now. i will need to attach some snaps though. so under the soft top (between the curtain and the curved rear 'seat' back, there isn't really anything other than the metal body? now i just need to figure out what to do with the loose sides of the soft top.... On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:34 PM, wrote: > Owain: > > The Mk1A and Mk2 trunk curtains are like Ron describes. My Mk1 has > snaps across the bottom and two on each inner wheel well. > > Steve Halbrook > > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.1/1686 - Release Date: 9/23/2008 7:38 AM From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Tue Sep 23 11:54:16 2008 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:54:16 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] SBF Distributor questions In-Reply-To: <441A7FAAFC334DD18F2A8A2926DC20E2@DavePC> References: <39a841b0809221601m7d5e22bao9fa6e579d1ff197b@mail.gmail.com><39a841b0809230511l16a4bdaagb1a3e93b6d26fb75@mail.gmail.com> <441A7FAAFC334DD18F2A8A2926DC20E2@DavePC> Message-ID: <4CB7526BE4AC4695AAAB2CC0C5A6E682@jerry> Dave, The notch on the dist. cap locates on the left diaphragm mounting screw. It has a raised portion in its casting that the cap locates on over the screw. It will be hard to find an old period vacuum can (with the washers that can be added to or removed from to change the amount of vacuum advance). The newer ones have the adjustment inside as you were saying using a small allen wrench. Everyone should test their diaphragm periodically with a Mighty Vac or something to see if it will hold a vacuum or not. If not then it needs to be replaced. This will improve your mileage somewhat as that was what it was designed for. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Munroe Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:07 AM To: rfraser at bluefrog.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] SBF Distributor questions I had some ignition issues that I finally traced to a vacuum advance unit that had a big hole in the diaphragm. I ordered a replacement from Summit, and recieved a wierd looking unit with a cast iron flange that looks like it should bolt to an intake manifold, has a steel cannister and a spigot for a tube. It is adjustable with an Allen wrench through the spigot. Definitely not for my car! This resulted from the order guy having difficulty finding a part number for the proper replacement unit. He asked some questions I couldn't answer: What is the model number of the distributor? (where is this number located and is it likely I could find it without removing the distrib?) The distributor cap has a slot in the bottom rim to locate the cap on the distrib body, but there is no matching tab on the distributor. Is this unusual for a Tiger distributor? As it is the cap is free to rotate, confined only by the wires' resistance to rotation. Thanks for your help. Dave You are subscribed as jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 23 12:43:14 2008 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:43:14 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Distributor Vacuum Advance Message-ID: <002301c91dac$3d78d800$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Check out National Parts Depot, they have a stock one for $20.95. Jeff From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Tue Sep 23 15:58:48 2008 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:58:48 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] SBF Distributor questions In-Reply-To: <4CB7526BE4AC4695AAAB2CC0C5A6E682@jerry> References: <39a841b0809221601m7d5e22bao9fa6e579d1ff197b@mail.gmail.com><39a841b0809230511l16a4bdaagb1a3e93b6d26fb75@mail.gmail.com><441A7FAAFC334DD18F2A8A2926DC20E2@DavePC> <4CB7526BE4AC4695AAAB2CC0C5A6E682@jerry> Message-ID: <3B195AF2DD6C4CDFB8C2FE264197F035@jerry> List, I think the guy who is selling on E-Bay (270278562841) is a little confused on what the part is. It looks a lot like the part I used to mount my alt. to the engine. Perhaps he got the wrong picture out. The part in the trunk might be similar but I don't think this one would fit. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:54 PM To: 'Dave Munroe'; rfraser at bluefrog.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] SBF Distributor questions Dave, The notch on the dist. cap locates on the left diaphragm mounting screw. It has a raised portion in its casting that the cap locates on over the screw. It will be hard to find an old period vacuum can (with the washers that can be added to or removed from to change the amount of vacuum advance). The newer ones have the adjustment inside as you were saying using a small allen wrench. Everyone should test their diaphragm periodically with a Mighty Vac or something to see if it will hold a vacuum or not. If not then it needs to be replaced. This will improve your mileage somewhat as that was what it was designed for. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Munroe Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:07 AM To: rfraser at bluefrog.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] SBF Distributor questions I had some ignition issues that I finally traced to a vacuum advance unit that had a big hole in the diaphragm. I ordered a replacement from Summit, and recieved a wierd looking unit with a cast iron flange that looks like it should bolt to an intake manifold, has a steel cannister and a spigot for a tube. It is adjustable with an Allen wrench through the spigot. Definitely not for my car! This resulted from the order guy having difficulty finding a part number for the proper replacement unit. He asked some questions I couldn't answer: What is the model number of the distributor? (where is this number located and is it likely I could find it without removing the distrib?) The distributor cap has a slot in the bottom rim to locate the cap on the distrib body, but there is no matching tab on the distributor. Is this unusual for a Tiger distributor? As it is the cap is free to rotate, confined only by the wires' resistance to rotation. Thanks for your help. Dave You are subscribed as jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From DJoh797014 at aol.com Tue Sep 23 17:27:37 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:27:37 EDT Subject: [Tigers] soft top vinyl bag Message-ID: Nope Under the curtain is the body. My MK IA still has the original curtain. It hangs down and has a small plastic weighted rod on the bottom. With the top up, The curtain hides the rear seat back. The rod just goes in front the metal cross floor cross piece. With the top down, It forms a bag to protect the top from the stuff in the trunk. Dave In a message dated 9/23/2008 11:56:43 A.M. Central Daylight Time, owain.lloyd at gmail.com writes: 'trunk curtain' - that describes it well. ok thanks, i think i understand now. i will need to attach some snaps though. so under the soft top (between the curtain and the curved rear 'seat' back, there isn't really anything other than the metal body? now i just need to figure out what to do with the loose sides of the soft top.... On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:34 PM, wrote: > Owain: > > The Mk1A and Mk2 trunk curtains are like Ron describes. My Mk1 has snaps across the bottom and two on each inner wheel well. > > Steve Halbrook You are subscribed as djoh797014 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 17:38:41 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:38:41 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] soft top vinyl bag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/9/24 > Nope > > Under the curtain is the body. My MK IA still has the original > curtain. It hangs down and has a small plastic weighted rod on the > bottom. With the top up, The curtain hides the rear seat back. > The rod just goes in front the metal cross floor cross piece. With > the top down, It forms a bag to protect the top from the stuff in > the trunk. > > Dave Dave, I thin kit would be great if you could take a few photos for all of use with how the curtain works.. i know what they are like in the early alpines like my SII.. but not how it works in cars like my MKIA > > -- > Regards > > Michael King From RSSmithIQ at cs.com Tue Sep 23 18:00:11 2008 From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:00:11 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Right Angle Oil Filter Adapter Message-ID: <48D9830B.4000206@cs.com> This is a very old discussion, but I searched the archives and did not find this one bit of information. I have a Ford Motorsports right angle oil filter adapter that I'm about to install. I need the stock oil filter nipple that screws into the block since the stock Tiger setup eliminates that and the FMS adapter does not come with it. Does anyone know the Ford part number for the nipple? My local Ford parts guy does better with a part number. He's barely old enough to know what a small block is! Any help would be appreciated. Thanks- Randy -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ at cs.com Tiger- B382000189 From Drmoonstone at aol.com Tue Sep 23 18:41:39 2008 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:41:39 EDT Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: Currently we are coating headers for $225.00 plus shipping. We are authorized Cermakrome applicators. Several colors are available. For more info contact off the list. We also do real old time ceramic coating for older restorations Moonstone Caps Bright Hot Coatings ************** Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Sep 23 18:45:57 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 01:45:57 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39a841b0809231745x7c1330d5scbc3f9ff35ab0714@mail.gmail.com> for that price its a bargain! how i miss the US ! On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 1:41 AM, wrote: > Currently we are coating headers for $225.00 plus shipping. We are > authorized Cermakrome applicators. Several colors are available. For more > info contact off the list. We also do real old time ceramic coating for > older restorations > > Moonstone > Caps Bright Hot Coatings > > > ************** > Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check > out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. > (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From Drmoonstone at aol.com Tue Sep 23 18:49:50 2008 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:49:50 EDT Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: First advantage is a 25 to 30 percent reduction in underhood temps. The headers will last longer and won't turn blue, peel or rust. Lastly, they look great in any of the finishes that are available. Moonstone Caps Bright Hot Coatings (Certified Cermakrome applicators) we also have many other high tech coatings and have been in the business for over 20 years. If you mention you are a Tiger owner there is a small price break. For more specific info or questions, contact me off list. ************** Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From Drmoonstone at aol.com Tue Sep 23 18:55:37 2008 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:55:37 EDT Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: Actually you can beat the headers with a hammer without damaging the cermakrome coating Moonstone ************** Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From drmayf at mayfco.com Tue Sep 23 19:59:03 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:59:03 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48D99EE7.5030908@mayfco.com> And folks, they do a great job. Very nice people to do business with. mayf Drmoonstone at aol.com wrote: >Currently we are coating headers for $225.00 plus shipping. We are authorized >Cermakrome applicators. Several colors are available. For more info contact >off the list. We also do real old time ceramic coating for older restorations > >Moonstone >Caps Bright Hot Coatings > > >************** >Looking for simple solutions to your >real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and >information, tips and calculators. > >(http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as drmayf at mayfco.com > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive From jimboynton at comcast.net Tue Sep 23 20:38:32 2008 From: jimboynton at comcast.net (jimboynton at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:38:32 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Right Angle Oil Filter Adapter Message-ID: <092420080238.1377.48D9A8280008410C00000561221357533302019B0297010D030706@comcast.net> http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/Dealer_Accessories/mp-FilterAdapter2.asp -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Randy Smith > This is a very old discussion, but I searched the archives and did not > find this one bit of information. I have a Ford Motorsports right angle > oil filter adapter that I'm about to install. I need the stock oil > filter nipple that screws into the block since the stock Tiger setup > eliminates that and the FMS adapter does not come with it. Does anyone > know the Ford part number for the nipple? My local Ford parts guy does > better with a part number. He's barely old enough to know what a small > block is! Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks- Randy > -- > > Randy Smith > INNER QUEST, Inc. > 34752 Charles Town Pike > Purcellville, VA 20132 > 703-478-1078 > 540-668-6699 > 540-668-6253 fax > > InnerQuestOnline.com > RSSmithIQ at cs.com > Tiger- B382000189 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jimboynton at comcast.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From bobdixon at frii.com Tue Sep 23 21:41:21 2008 From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:41:21 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) References: Message-ID: <000a01c91df7$694818b0$4100a8c0@BobsDell> Cool, because beating them with a hammer is the only way they fit ;-) > Actually you can beat the headers with a hammer without damaging the > cermakrome coating > > Moonstone From JParent4 at tampabay.rr.com Tue Sep 23 19:07:01 2008 From: JParent4 at tampabay.rr.com (Jim Parent) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:07:01 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005f01c91de1$d9e85960$c200a8c0@T60> I could understand heat resistance but how does heat reduction work? I can see how a coating could delay heat transmission but eventually (it seems to me a second or two) the heat would get through raising the exterior (of the header) temperature to what it would have been with no coating. I do have my headers coated and they look great but I'm unclear if or how they reduce the temperature under the hood. I have never understood the idea of temperature reduction but I get that ceramics increase heat resistance. Jim -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jparent4=tampabay.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jparent4=tampabay.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Drmoonstone at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:50 PM To: rtscolgan at yahoo.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) First advantage is a 25 to 30 percent reduction in underhood temps. The headers will last longer and won't turn blue, peel or rust. Lastly, they look great in any of the finishes that are available. Moonstone Caps Bright Hot Coatings (Certified Cermakrome applicators) we also have many other high tech coatings and have been in the business for over 20 years. If you mention you are a Tiger owner there is a small price break. For more specific info or questions, contact me off list. ************** Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) You are subscribed as jparent4 at tampabay.rr.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From fastsage at cox.net Wed Sep 24 01:35:24 2008 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:35:24 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Gauge Cleaning Message-ID: <48D9EDBC.20106@cox.net> Sunbeamers: One of my Tiger projects this winter will be to again remove all the gauges and clean the inside of the glass and paint the needles as needed. I've done this at least four or five times through my years of Sunbeaming. Anyone else who has done this "little" job knows how much "fun" it is, especially with the oil gauge. Has anyone figured out a way to keep the inside of the gauges from getting that "haze" or whatever it is that develops on the inside of the glass? A couple of sprays with Windex and it's gone, but it takes hours to get the gauges out, apart, and back in again. I wonder if there's something that's been come up with that can be applied to the inside surface of the glass that will prevent the haze from building up. Has anyone tried Rainex, or something like it? Also, every time I do this job I keep thinking there must (??) be a way to maybe just loosen the attaching brackets to the gauges behind the dash a bit, push the gauge forward just enough to "spin" the chrome bezel off, clean the inside of the glass, and re-install without having to completely remove the gauge and unclip the wiring. Has anyone done this successfully, and if so, how did you do it? As usual, thanks for any suggestions. Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10760e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 03:19:47 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:19:47 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <005f01c91de1$d9e85960$c200a8c0@T60> References: <005f01c91de1$d9e85960$c200a8c0@T60> Message-ID: <39a841b0809240219k72099e33td6bf96a5c80db76@mail.gmail.com> it goes out (and through) the exhaust pipe On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:07 AM, Jim Parent wrote: > I could understand heat resistance but how does heat reduction work? > > I can see how a coating could delay heat transmission but eventually (it > seems to me a second or two) the heat would get through raising the exterior > (of the header) temperature to what it would have been with no coating. > > I do have my headers coated and they look great but I'm unclear if or how > they reduce the temperature under the hood. > > I have never understood the idea of temperature reduction but I get that > ceramics increase heat resistance. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+jparent4=tampabay.rr.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+jparent4=tampabay.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Drmoonstone at aol.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:50 PM > To: rtscolgan at yahoo.com; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) > > First advantage is a 25 to 30 percent reduction in underhood temps. The > headers will last longer and won't turn blue, peel or rust. Lastly, they > look great > in any of the finishes that are available. > > Moonstone > Caps Bright Hot Coatings (Certified Cermakrome applicators) we also have > many > other high tech coatings and have been in the business for over 20 years. If > > you mention you are a Tiger owner there is a small price break. For more > specific info or questions, contact me off list. > > > ************** > Looking for simple > solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for > the > latest news and information, tips and calculators. > > (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > You are subscribed as jparent4 at tampabay.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From mark.rense at ge.com Wed Sep 24 07:33:24 2008 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:33:24 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <005f01c91de1$d9e85960$c200a8c0@T60> References: <005f01c91de1$d9e85960$c200a8c0@T60> Message-ID: Jim, In a sealed "black box", you'd be correct, the system would eventually reach equilibrium. However, the ceramic coating reduces the RATE of heat transfer from the hot exhaust gases to the relatively cool (kewl?) air flow in the engine compartment. The engine compartment receives less heat per unit time, so it is relatively cooler. Same concept as wrapping foam insulation around your air conditioner tubing. As for power increase, since less energy is transferred, the exhaust gases stay hotter, so they flow a bit faster and that helps scavenging. Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Parent Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:07 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) I could understand heat resistance but how does heat reduction work? I can see how a coating could delay heat transmission but eventually (it seems to me a second or two) the heat would get through raising the exterior (of the header) temperature to what it would have been with no coating. I do have my headers coated and they look great but I'm unclear if or how they reduce the temperature under the hood. I have never understood the idea of temperature reduction but I get that ceramics increase heat resistance. Jim From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Sep 24 07:43:37 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:43:37 EDT Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: Bugz, I'm still confused too. In your example the foam insulation is a pretty poor conductor of heat so I can see that working, but to me ceramic conducts heat pretty well. Mark **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From thorlp at hotmail.com Wed Sep 24 07:47:16 2008 From: thorlp at hotmail.com (stan gorski) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:47:16 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Right Angle Oil Filter Adapter In-Reply-To: <48D9830B.4000206@cs.com> References: <48D9830B.4000206@cs.com> Message-ID: Try national parts depot, under their mustang catalog, about $8.00. This 90 degree adaptor will not work with tube headers, I found out the hard way. Stan ---------------------------------------- > Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:00:11 -0400 > From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Right Angle Oil Filter Adapter > > This is a very old discussion, but I searched the archives and did not > find this one bit of information. I have a Ford Motorsports right angle > oil filter adapter that I'm about to install. I need the stock oil > filter nipple that screws into the block since the stock Tiger setup > eliminates that and the FMS adapter does not come with it. Does anyone > know the Ford part number for the nipple? My local Ford parts guy does > better with a part number. He's barely old enough to know what a small > block is! Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks- Randy > -- > > Randy Smith > INNER QUEST, Inc. > 34752 Charles Town Pike > Purcellville, VA 20132 > 703-478-1078 > 540-668-6699 > 540-668-6253 fax > > InnerQuestOnline.com > RSSmithIQ at cs.com > Tiger- B382000189 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as thorlp at hotmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. From mark.rense at ge.com Wed Sep 24 07:55:06 2008 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:55:06 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark, Ceramics are in general very poor heat conductors. Witness the handle on your coffee mug or the tiles on a space shuttle. The ceramic coating also changes the emissivity of the header, which reduces the radiated energy as well. Bugz ________________________________ From: CoolVT at aol.com [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:44 AM To: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd); tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject) Bugz, I'm still confused too. In your example the foam insulation is a pretty poor conductor of heat so I can see that working, but to me ceramic conducts heat pretty well. Mark ________________________________ Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators . From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Sep 24 07:58:37 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:58:37 EDT Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: I guess "poor" would be a relative term. I've had boiling water in a coffee mug and couldn't hold on to the mug because it was so hot (not the handle-the mug directly). I agree that it probably doesn't conduct heat the way that metal would, but it still definitely conducts. I'd be curious to know in percentages how it compares in conductivity with steel. Mark **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 24 08:18:09 2008 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:18:09 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <27C3835E5D674E308087C41FCAE1B3D3@ROSS> Do you your own calculations. Information on thermal conductivity can be found here http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/thermal-conductivity-d_429.html Let us know what you find. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse I guess "poor" would be a relative term. I've had boiling water in a coffee mug and couldn't hold on to the mug because it was so hot (not the handle-the mug directly). I agree that it probably doesn't conduct heat the way that metal would, but it still definitely conducts. I'd be curious to know in percentages how it compares in conductivity with steel. Mark From mrlau at charter.net Wed Sep 24 09:31:42 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:31:42 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080924153147.BONR3522.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> This one is simple. Put some boiling water in a steel cup and see if you can pick it up by the handle. -- Bill -- I guess "poor" would be a relative term. I've had boiling water in a coffee mug and couldn't hold on to the mug because it was so hot (not the handle-the mug directly). I agree that it probably doesn't conduct heat the way that metal would, but it still definitely conducts. I'd be curious to know in percentages how it compares in conductivity with steel. Mark From alittlemoreink at hotmail.com Wed Sep 24 09:42:20 2008 From: alittlemoreink at hotmail.com (John Crawley) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:42:20 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Soft Top Bag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi: I made a set of soft top protectors that I fit over the arms and top when they fold down. My top has been on (and mostly folded) for 15 years and 40,000 miles and the clear plastic windows still have no scratches. If you want to see pictures of the covers just drop me an e-mail. Godspeed in Safety Fast Jc _________________________________________________________________ From drmayf at mayfco.com Wed Sep 24 10:47:01 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:47:01 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Soft Top Bag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48DA6F05.7010109@mayfco.com> Dang, that is just a very good idea! mayf John Crawley wrote: >Hi: >I made a set of soft top protectors that I fit over the arms and top when they >fold down. My top has been on (and mostly folded) for 15 years and 40,000 >miles and the clear plastic windows still have no scratches. If you want to >see pictures of the covers just drop me an e-mail. >Godspeed in Safety Fast >Jc >_________________________________________________________________ >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as drmayf at mayfco.com > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive From cars at wt-inc.com Wed Sep 24 10:48:26 2008 From: cars at wt-inc.com (Lynn Wall) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:48:26 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Gauge Cleaning In-Reply-To: <48D9EDBC.20106@cox.net> References: <48D9EDBC.20106@cox.net> Message-ID: <001801c91e65$5df1d5f0$19d581d0$@com> Steve, Scuba divers and swimmers use spit to keep their masks/goggles from fogging up ;>) Lynn -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+cars=wt-inc.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+cars=wt-inc.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Sage Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:35 AM To: TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET Subject: [Tigers] Gauge Cleaning Sunbeamers: One of my Tiger projects this winter will be to again remove all the gauges and clean the inside of the glass and paint the needles as needed. I've done this at least four or five times through my years of Sunbeaming. Anyone else who has done this "little" job knows how much "fun" it is, especially with the oil gauge. Has anyone figured out a way to keep the inside of the gauges from getting that "haze" or whatever it is that develops on the inside of the glass? A couple of sprays with Windex and it's gone, but it takes hours to get the gauges out, apart, and back in again. I wonder if there's something that's been come up with that can be applied to the inside surface of the glass that will prevent the haze from building up. Has anyone tried Rainex, or something like it? Also, every time I do this job I keep thinking there must (??) be a way to maybe just loosen the attaching brackets to the gauges behind the dash a bit, push the gauge forward just enough to "spin" the chrome bezel off, clean the inside of the glass, and re-install without having to completely remove the gauge and unclip the wiring. Has anyone done this successfully, and if so, how did you do it? As usual, thanks for any suggestions. Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10760e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ You are subscribed as cars at wt-inc.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Sep 24 10:50:30 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:50:30 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Soft Top Bag Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F319@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> I put some heavy socks over the end of the arms... Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net > ] On Behalf Of drmayf > Sent: September 24, 2008 10:47 AM > To: John Crawley > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Soft Top Bag > > Dang, that is just a very good idea! > > mayf > John Crawley wrote: > > >Hi: > >I made a set of soft top protectors that I fit over the arms and top > >when they fold down. My top has been on (and mostly folded) for 15 > >years and 40,000 miles and the clear plastic windows still have no > >scratches. If you want to see pictures of the covers just > drop me an e-mail. > >Godspeed in Safety Fast > >Jc > >_________________________________________________________________ > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > >You are subscribed as drmayf at mayfco.com > > > >Tigers at autox.team.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > >http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as theo.smit at dynastream.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Sep 24 10:53:58 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:53:58 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Gauge Cleaning Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F31A@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> The haze might be volatile stuff from the paint you use on the needles interacting with the O-ring rubber in the gauges, or it might be that crud that evaporates out of Armorall or similar vinyl "protectants". Make sure you let your gauge needles bake out for a day or two before you reassemble them, and eliminate any of the old rubber parts behind the gauge glass - replace it with O-rings or high density foam. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net > ] On Behalf Of Lynn Wall > Sent: September 24, 2008 10:48 AM > To: 'Steve Sage'; TIGERS at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gauge Cleaning > > Steve, > > Scuba divers and swimmers use spit to keep their > masks/goggles from fogging up ;>) > > Lynn > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+cars=wt-inc.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+cars=wt-inc.com at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Steve Sage > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:35 AM > To: TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET > Subject: [Tigers] Gauge Cleaning > > Sunbeamers: > One of my Tiger projects this winter will be to again remove > all the gauges and clean the inside of the glass and paint > the needles as needed. I've done this at least four or five > times through my years of Sunbeaming. Anyone else who has > done this "little" job knows how much "fun" it is, especially > with the oil gauge. > > Has anyone figured out a way to keep the inside of the gauges > from getting that "haze" or whatever it is that develops on > the inside of the glass? A couple of sprays with Windex and > it's gone, but it takes hours to get the gauges out, apart, > and back in again. I wonder if there's something that's been > come up with that can be applied to the inside surface of the > glass that will prevent the haze from building up. Has anyone > tried Rainex, or something like it? > > Also, every time I do this job I keep thinking there must > (??) be a way to maybe just loosen the attaching brackets to > the gauges behind the dash a bit, push the gauge forward just > enough to "spin" the chrome bezel off, clean the inside of > the glass, and re-install without having to completely remove > the gauge and unclip the wiring. Has anyone done this > successfully, and if so, how did you do it? > > As usual, thanks for any suggestions. > > Steve Sage > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database > version: 5.10760e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ > You are subscribed as cars at wt-inc.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as theo.smit at dynastream.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Sep 24 10:59:11 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:59:11 EDT Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: Ross, I checked out the site thank you. I'm not sure exactly how to calculate the thermal conductivity, but steel is listed as 46.0 and glass (the closest I could find to ceramic) was 1.05....a huge difference. But, in the calculation thickness also seems to play a very big part in heat passing from one side to the other. I know that any coating on headers is going to be extremely thin. I would love to have some scientific mind find the thickness of the ceramic coating and actually do a calculation. That is beyond me. Mark **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From achd73 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 24 11:15:10 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] model year for eary style rack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <801937.67505.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was recently attempting to purchase a set of bellows for the Mg Midget or AH Sprite rack, used in Dale A.s akerman kit. The seller on epay had severa MG items listed, including bellows BUT the pic didnt match the rack I have. His response to my request for bellows to fit an "early style" rack, was. What year is the Midget? I think 1972 is the year they changed but Im not certain and although I would think an epay store with as many listings as this seller had would know himself, evidently he needs the year. I suppose I could just tell him its for a 68 and be within the early/late era but if someone knows for sure would they please post the year required or email me off list. Many regards, Tony From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Sep 24 12:12:27 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:12:27 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] model year for eary style rack References: <801937.67505.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <66B1A604264048B785CAD506082D4049@student2> >From Wikipedia: >>>The square shaped rear wheel arches became rounded in January 1972. Also >>>in this year, a Triumph steering rack was fitted, giving a gearing that >>>was somewhat lower than earlier Midgets.<<< Hope that helps, Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.1/1688 - Release Date: 9/24/2008 6:29 AM From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Wed Sep 24 12:48:30 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:48:30 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Right Angle Oil Filter Adapter In-Reply-To: <48D9830B.4000206@cs.com> References: <48D9830B.4000206@cs.com> Message-ID: <48DA8B7E.5030400@SoCal.rr.com> Randy, Well. not ALL the archives ;-) There are some excellent pictures of the Ford Motorsport right angle filter assembly including all the mounting hardware that comes with it from Ford. Note slight "file rounding" of motor mount corner for clearance from sharp edge. * http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/Dealer_Accessories/mp-FilterAdapter3.asp* This is the unit I have, and the Ford Motorsport FL1A filter (recommended) fits fine. The smaller diameter FRAM is not required, but an oil filter body clamp is easy to use. Don't over-tighten, as it distorts the sealing surfaces. Check Ford distributer parts department. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Randy Smith wrote: > This is a very old discussion, but I /*searched the archives*/ and did not > find this one bit of information. I have a Ford Motorsports right angle > oil filter adapter that I'm about to install. I need the stock oil > filter nipple that screws into the block since the stock Tiger setup > eliminates that and the FMS adapter does not come with it. Does anyone > know the Ford part number for the nipple? My local Ford parts guy does > better with a part number. He's barely old enough to know what a small > block is! Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks- Randy From larryall at pacbell.net Wed Sep 24 12:56:06 2008 From: larryall at pacbell.net (Larry Allbritton) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] (Tigers) Soft Top Bag Message-ID: <163371.80080.qm@web83008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Theo What kind of socks are you using and don't they tend to catch on the velcro tensioners or do you have the cable tensioners? Larry B9472723 Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:50:30 -0600 From: "Smit, Theo" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Soft Top Bag To: , "John Crawley" Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F319 at dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I put some heavy socks over the end of the arms... Theo From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Sep 24 13:00:53 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:00:53 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] (Tigers) Soft Top Bag Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F31B@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Old cotton/nylon socks from the back of my drawer, mostly... I have the velcro tensioners but never really had an issue. If you were to use wool socks then the velcro would be a problem but you wouldn't have to worry about the socks falling off unintentionally. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net > ] On Behalf Of Larry Allbritton > Sent: September 24, 2008 12:56 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] (Tigers) Soft Top Bag > > Hi Theo > What kind of socks are you using and don't they tend to catch > on the velcro tensioners or do you have the cable tensioners? > > Larry > B9472723 > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:50:30 -0600 > From: "Smit, Theo" > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Soft Top Bag > To: , "John Crawley" > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net > Message-ID: > <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F319 at dsimail.ad.garmin.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I put some heavy socks over the end of the arms... > Theo > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as theo.smit at dynastream.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From Drmoonstone at aol.com Wed Sep 24 13:35:06 2008 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:35:06 EDT Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: The ceramic coating is a heat retarding product along with a product called mcs the headers outside temp is such that you can hold your hand within an inch or so and not get burned, It is actually a shield, and the heat remains in the exhaust gas thus using the energy contained to accelerate the gas and help scavenge the heat and gasses out the back. Trust me, the space shuttle uses materials developed by Tech Line Coatings to solve the heat problem and this technology has been adopted to the automotive field. It works. The use of our products on the underside of intakes also has an effect much like "air gap" manifolds. The combined effect is better performance. Moonstone ************** Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From Drmoonstone at aol.com Wed Sep 24 13:48:34 2008 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:48:34 EDT Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: The coating thickness is between 1 to 3 thousands of an inch. Application to precise fitting parts is not interfered with and it is not necessary to protect these surfaces to retain fit. The ceramic coating is actually a combination of a proprietary ceramic and aluminum (formulation of which is also proprietary). At sustained full metal temps in excess of 1350 degrees the shiny appearance of cermakrome will turn gray but still functions as intended. One of the biggest problem we see is new engines that are either super lean or super rich, both conditions can spike temps way beyond the intended temp range. One interesting quirk of cermakrome and our other high temp coating is that when an infrared temp sensor is used the reading is not accurate, the heat gun gets "confused" so to say. We have coatings that will transfer heat, will reflect heat, will contain heat and many other useful properties. The cermakrome will not flake, peel, turn blue, rust and can be beat on without negative results. I've won money at shows using an iron bar as a baseball bat on headers without damaging the finish.....Donnie doesn't let me do that anymore....it hurts his ears when I don't warn him. Moonstone ************** Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Wed Sep 24 13:56:29 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 12:56:29 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Right Angle Oil Filter Adapter In-Reply-To: <351447.70667.qm@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <351447.70667.qm@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48DA9B6D.8060503@SoCal.rr.com> Hmm, Strange. Try the first page of the article: http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/Dealer_Accessories/mp-FilterAdapter1.asp or use the "Search Tool" for "Motorsport right angle filter", "All the Words". Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Tony Somebody wrote: > Steve- the link for the 90 degree filter on TU doesnt work. Would you try again please. > Thanks, Tony > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Steve Laifman wrote: > > >> From: Steve Laifman >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Right Angle Oil Filter Adapter >> To: "Randy Smith" >> Cc: "Tiger List Serve" >> Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 1:48 PM >> Randy, >> >> Well. not ALL the archives ;-) >> >> There are some excellent pictures of the Ford Motorsport >> right angle >> filter assembly including all the mounting hardware that >> comes with it >> from Ford. Note slight "file rounding" of motor >> mount corner for >> clearance from sharp edge. >> * >> http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/Dealer_Accessories/mp-FilterAdapter3.asp* >> >> This is the unit I have, and the Ford Motorsport FL1A >> filter >> (recommended) fits fine. The smaller diameter FRAM is not >> required, but >> an oil filter body clamp is easy to use. Don't >> over-tighten, as it >> distorts the sealing surfaces. >> >> Check Ford distributer parts department. >> >> Steve >> >> ___ >> Steve Laifman >> Editor - TigersUnited.com From Drmoonstone at aol.com Wed Sep 24 13:59:07 2008 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:59:07 EDT Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: Go to tech Line coatings, they have some great info. Moonstone ************** Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From Drmoonstone at aol.com Wed Sep 24 14:00:43 2008 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:00:43 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Gauge Cleaning Message-ID: They also use raw potato. M ************** Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? 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(http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 15:01:32 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:01:32 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39a841b0809241401i2f97b4b0x95bd741f75067855@mail.gmail.com> the company i used in the uk also uses the tech line coatings products. i choose the black satin over the CERMAKROME as it withstands a higher temp (1000C vs 760C). i'm not sure (and i'm sure moonstone can confirm or otherwise) but this may be one reason why it was more expensive as the curing process requires more heat for longer. apparently its solvent based rather than water based. it seems the place i used has one price for the black satin, a higher price for the krome and an even higher price for 'race spec' black satin. apparently i got the 'race spec'. to be honest though, my main reasoning was that i prefer the serious look of the black satin of the krome bling! anyway - so far i'm very happy. On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:59 PM, wrote: > Go to tech Line coatings, they have some great info. > > Moonstone > > > ************** > Looking for simple solutions to your real-life > financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips > and calculators. > (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From RSSmithIQ at cs.com Wed Sep 24 16:57:02 2008 From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 18:57:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Right Angle Oil Filter Adapter In-Reply-To: <48DA8B7E.5030400@SoCal.rr.com> References: <48D9830B.4000206@cs.com> <48DA8B7E.5030400@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <48DAC5BE.6050608@cs.com> Thanks to everyone who responded. I had the same problem that Tony had previously. I found the reference to the TigersUnited link in the archives, but could not get it to work. Now I have it. Thanks! -Randy Steve Laifman wrote: > Randy, > > Well. not ALL the archives ;-) > > There are some excellent pictures of the Ford Motorsport right > angle filter assembly including all the mounting hardware that comes > with it from Ford. Note slight "file rounding" of motor mount corner > for clearance from sharp edge. > * > http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/Dealer_Accessories/mp-FilterAdapter3.asp* > > This is the unit I have, and the Ford Motorsport FL1A filter > (recommended) fits fine. The smaller diameter FRAM is not required, > but an oil filter body clamp is easy to use. Don't over-tighten, as > it distorts the sealing surfaces. > > Check Ford distributer parts department. > > Steve > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > Randy Smith wrote: >> This is a very old discussion, but I /*searched the archives*/ and did not >> find this one bit of information. I have a Ford Motorsports right angle >> oil filter adapter that I'm about to install. I need the stock oil >> filter nipple that screws into the block since the stock Tiger setup >> eliminates that and the FMS adapter does not come with it. Does anyone >> know the Ford part number for the nipple? My local Ford parts guy does >> better with a part number. He's barely old enough to know what a small >> block is! Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks- Randy >> -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ at cs.com Tiger- B382000189 From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Wed Sep 24 21:23:22 2008 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:23:22 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Front turn signal and running light - ballast resistor Message-ID: <95AB4656106841E1A3CE09FEB0223FE5@JEPHome> I'm cleaning up the front turn signals. My god they are cruddy from the dirt thrown off the tires! First question is how do you remove the small bulb? Mine don't seem to want to budge and I don't want to break them. Do they plug in, screw in, or rotate 90 degrees? Next question: does the large bulb socket and reflector detach from the chromed body without prying it apart? Looks like it was pounded together. On to the ballast resistor. Will cleaning it soap and water or a degreaser damage it? It looks pretty durable, but I hate learning the hard way. Thanks. Tigger heads to the paint shop tomorrow. It is a mere shell of its former self. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From fastsage at cox.net Thu Sep 25 00:00:28 2008 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:00:28 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Gauge Cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F31A@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <48DB28FC.4050804@cox.net> Mike Michels wrote: > I have the same "haze" but just on the oil pressure gauge. Even the > color of the lighting is different and dimmer on that one gauge I have > assumed it is from some oil residue inside the gauge from a > once-upon-a-time leak. The rest of the gauges stay quite clear. You're > right, it's a pain to remove the oil gauge so I haven't messed with it. . > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smit, Theo" > > To: "Lynn Wall" ; "Steve Sage" ; > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:53 AM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gauge Cleaning > > Mike: All my gauges have that haze and this has happened now with both my Tigers and several Alpines I've owned through the years. I think it probably is from something that leeches out of the red paint on the pointers as the paint deteriorates and fades. I've never had the issue with any other brand of car and I can't remember any of those other cars having the needles painted like Sunbeams. Has anyone on the list owned any other brand British cars with Lucas gauges with the plain white needles? It would be interesting to find out if those gauges had/have the same issue. Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10770e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ From todbrown at roadrunner.com Thu Sep 25 07:20:41 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:20:41 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Front turn signal and running light - ballast resistor Message-ID: <48DB9029.4070402@roadrunner.com> Jim: I believe the small bulb plugs in. Probably when you pull it out, it will destroy the contacts which are not very substantial, so I wouldn't worry about damaging it. As to the large bulb socket, it is pounded in, as you observed, and it also probably has corroded to the point where separation without damage is unlikely. I have had success with just cutting it out and replacing it with a generic replacement socket from the parts store. One final word of advice - when you put them back in, run an extra ground wire to the body. Without that, the ground is made through the long screw that attaches the unit to the body and it is not a reliable circuit, again, due to all the crud that gets thrown up into that area by the wheels. With respect to the ballast resistor, unless you are into authenticity, you can do away with it altogether if you are running a Pertronix ignition. One less piece to go bad. Tod B382002384LRXFE From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Sep 25 07:37:54 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:37:54 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Front turn signal and running light - ballast resistor In-Reply-To: <95AB4656106841E1A3CE09FEB0223FE5@JEPHome> Message-ID: Jim The small bulb pulls straight out, it is a #194 type bulb and yes they are difficult to grip and pull out. I have no idea about the reflector. I do not have one handy to look at. Why do you want to clean the ballast resistor? The ballast resistor consists of a metal outer shell with mount location, a ceramic part with a wire wound resistor assembly and spade connections. I would not touch it other than to clean the mount hole area which is a ground point. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James E. Pickard Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:23 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Front turn signal and running light - ballast resistor I'm cleaning up the front turn signals. My god they are cruddy from the dirt thrown off the tires! First question is how do you remove the small bulb? Mine don't seem to want to budge and I don't want to break them. Do they plug in, screw in, or rotate 90 degrees? Next question: does the large bulb socket and reflector detach from the chromed body without prying it apart? Looks like it was pounded together. On to the ballast resistor. Will cleaning it soap and water or a degreaser damage it? It looks pretty durable, but I hate learning the hard way. Thanks. Tigger heads to the paint shop tomorrow. It is a mere shell of its former self. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.1/1688 - Release Date: 9/24/2008 6:29 AM From sralsten at ca.rr.com Thu Sep 25 10:03:42 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:03:42 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Getting touch up paint ? Message-ID: <19864899.157491222358622410.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> I found a webpage that listed Rootes colors and gave Carnival Red as Code 39 with a Berger Reference number of 404.0949 I haven't tried yet but can a proper color touch up paint be bought with only that number ? Where ? I was thinking I would have to go to a paint shop and get something mixed but maybe this is easier than that ? My car needs paint. It's at the "looks good from 20 feet" stage I want to get 2 or so more years before spending big $ for a strip and paint. I need a couple spots touched up now though. Thanks Steve R From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Thu Sep 25 11:51:02 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:51:02 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Pertronix Caution - Ballast Resistor In-Reply-To: <48DB9029.4070402@roadrunner.com> References: <48DB9029.4070402@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <48DBCF86.5090806@SoCal.rr.com> Tod and Tigers, US coils, in the era, used 9 volt primaries on the coil. In the "start" position the ignition switches powers the coil with 12 volts, and the "run" position directs the voltage through the dropping resistor to 9 volts. British electrics were 12 VDC, throughout. (See Bill Gegg's COLOR wiring diagram(s) in the Online Rootes Workshop Manual, Electrical Equipment: http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmN35.asp Subsequent pages show the Mk IA, and Mk II diagrams. Unless you changed the coil to one that runs continuously on 12 Volts, you will damage the coil. The Pertronix (I or II) j switches the voltage through the points to the coil, and is suitable for either 9 or 12 Primary VDC, it does not switch the coil's high voltage output, of course. That is the job of the rotor and cap. If one wants to run a 12 volt coil, you must buy one rated for that input voltage. Available as "high performance 12 VDC coil". The Pertonix "Flame Thrower II is a good choice. http://pertronix.com/prod/ig/flame/coils/45000_volt.aspx Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Tod Brown wrote: > Jim: > <--- snip ---> With respect to the ballast resistor, unless you are into > -- you can do away with it altogether if you are running a > Pertronix ignition. One less piece to go bad. > Tod > B382002384LRXFE From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Sep 25 11:55:27 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:55:27 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Getting touch up paint ? In-Reply-To: <19864899.157491222358622410.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> Message-ID: Steve I'm not familiar enough with what codes a paint shop can cross reference. Here are some additional numbers that may help you. Code 39 Carnival Red Ditzler # 71144, Lucite Lacquer # 8415LH, Dulux Enamel # 84016, Chrysler part# 1 liter 75242822, Berger code 404.0949, ICI 8385 Here is an email from James Miller: Here is the code for PPG DBU paint for Carnival Red. The code is 71243. (DBU = Deltron Base Urethane ) James Miller Elk Grove. Ca Tower Paint has Rootes colors, here an excerpt from another email: This paint is readily available from Tower Paint in Oshkosh, WI, ph #920-235-6520 or 800-779-6520. You can also look them up on the net at if you are so inclined. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten at ca.rr.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:04 PM To: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Getting touch up paint ? I found a webpage that listed Rootes colors and gave Carnival Red as Code 39 with a Berger Reference number of 404.0949 I haven't tried yet but can a proper color touch up paint be bought with only that number ? Where ? I was thinking I would have to go to a paint shop and get something mixed but maybe this is easier than that ? My car needs paint. It's at the "looks good from 20 feet" stage I want to get 2 or so more years before spending big $ for a strip and paint. I need a couple spots touched up now though. Thanks Steve R You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.2/1690 - Release Date: 9/25/2008 7:05 AM From rgraf at bellatlantic.net Thu Sep 25 12:22:56 2008 From: rgraf at bellatlantic.net (Rick Graf) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:22:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Getting touch up paint ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48DBD700.2070307@bellatlantic.net> You can also get them from a store in surburban Chicago run by relatives of mine. They have a separate website just for ordering custom spraycans - http://www.touchupspraypaint.com. Ron Fraser wrote: >Steve > I'm not familiar enough with what codes a paint shop can cross >reference. > >Here are some additional numbers that may help you. > >Code 39 Carnival Red Ditzler # 71144, Lucite Lacquer # 8415LH, Dulux >Enamel # 84016, Chrysler part# 1 liter 75242822, >Berger code 404.0949, ICI 8385 > >Here is an email from James Miller: > > Here is the code for PPG DBU paint for Carnival >Red. The code is 71243. > >(DBU = Deltron Base Urethane ) > >James Miller >Elk Grove. Ca > > >Tower Paint has Rootes colors, here an excerpt from another email: > > This paint is readily available from Tower Paint in Oshkosh, WI, ph >#920-235-6520 or 800-779-6520. You can also look them up on the net at > if you are so inclined. > >Ron Fraser > > >-----Original Message----- >From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net >[mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of >sralsten at ca.rr.com >Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:04 PM >To: Tigers at autox.team.net >Subject: [Tigers] Getting touch up paint ? > > >I found a webpage that listed Rootes colors and gave Carnival Red as Code 39 >with a Berger Reference number of 404.0949 I haven't tried yet but can a >proper >color touch up paint be bought with only that number ? Where ? I was >thinking I would have to go to a paint shop and get something mixed but >maybe this is easier than that ? > >My car needs paint. It's at the "looks good from 20 feet" stage I want to >get 2 or so more years before spending big $ for a strip and paint. I need a >couple spots touched up now though. > >Thanks > >Steve R >You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com > >Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.2/1690 - Release Date: 9/25/2008 >7:05 AM >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as rgraf at bellatlantic.net > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive From larryall at pacbell.net Thu Sep 25 12:33:17 2008 From: larryall at pacbell.net (Larry Allbritton) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Gauge Cleaning Message-ID: <268338.32347.qm@web83003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Steve What is the paint that you are using on the pointers? Is it a solvent based or water based paint? Although I have not had to clean the gauge lenses nor redo the needle paint I was wondering if perhaps there is some outgassing occurring from the paint and or cleaner that you are using. If I had to take the lenses out to clean I would probably let them set out in the open for a while like maybe a week to let any outgassing complete its task. Same thing with the painting of the pointers I would leave them out for a few/several days to get any outgassing gone. Just my 2 cents on the subject. Larry Message: 1 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:00:28 -0700 From: Steve Sage Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gauge Cleaning To: Mike Michels Cc: TIGERS at autox.team.net Message-ID: <48DB28FC.4050804 at cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mike Michels wrote: > I have the same "haze" but just on the oil pressure gauge. Even the > color of the lighting is different and dimmer on that one gauge I have > assumed it is from some oil residue inside the gauge from a > once-upon-a-time leak. The rest of the gauges stay quite clear. You're > right, it's a pain to remove the oil gauge so I haven't messed with it. . > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smit, Theo" > > To: "Lynn Wall" ; "Steve Sage" ; > > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:53 AM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gauge Cleaning > > Mike: All my gauges have that haze and this has happened now with both my Tigers and several Alpines I've owned through the years. I think it probably is from something that leeches out of the red paint on the pointers as the paint deteriorates and fades. I've never had the issue with any other brand of car and I can't remember any of those other cars having the needles painted like Sunbeams. Has anyone on the list owned any other brand British cars with Lucas gauges with the plain white needles? It would be interesting to find out if those gauges had/have the same issue. Steve Sage From sralsten at ca.rr.com Thu Sep 25 13:14:51 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:14:51 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Getting touch up paint ? Message-ID: <4397895.191431222370091904.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> Ron and Rick... Thanks so much I just ordered one can and one bottle from Tower. I'll make a post later as to how well they match. I do have the area inside the soft top stowage that is original paint untouched by sun or weather. Steve R From todbrown at roadrunner.com Thu Sep 25 14:25:43 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:25:43 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Pertronix Caution - Ballast Resistor In-Reply-To: <48DBCF86.5090806@SoCal.rr.com> References: <48DB9029.4070402@roadrunner.com> <48DBCF86.5090806@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <48DBF3C7.4080600@roadrunner.com> Thanks, Steve. My answer was incomplete in that I did not clarify that you do have to change the coil as well, which is what I have done. I had been running a Pertronix I in place of the points in my distributor for several years along with the ballast resistor and the original coil. This spring, when I first took the Tiger out, I pulled into the garage and lifted the bonnet to check something and noticed that the coil bracket was broken. I decided to replace the coil and the bracket at that point since it was getting pretty old. I called Pertronix to get their recommendation for a coil and asked if I needed to continue to use the ballast resistor and they told me that it would work either way with the new coil, so I removed it. As I said, one less thing to break. I should have made it clear that you have to run a 12v coil. Tod B382002384LRXFE Steve Laifman wrote: Tod and Tigers, US coils, in the era, used 9 volt primaries on the coil. In the "start" position the ignition switches powers the coil with 12 volts, and the "run" position directs the voltage through the dropping resistor to 9 volts. British electrics were 12 VDC, throughout. (See Bill Gegg's COLOR wiring diagram(s) in the Online Rootes Workshop Manual, Electrical Equipment: http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmN35.asp Subsequent pages show the Mk IA, and Mk II diagrams. Unless you changed the coil to one that runs continuously on 12 Volts, you will damage the coil. The Pertronix (I or II) j switches the voltage through the points to the coil, and is suitable for either 9 or 12 Primary VDC, it does not switch the coil's high voltage output, of course. That is the job of the rotor and cap. If one wants to run a 12 volt coil, you must buy one rated for that input voltage. Available as "high performance 12 VDC coil". The Pertonix "Flame Thrower II is a good choice. http://pertronix.com/prod/ig/flame/coils/45000_volt.aspx Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Tod Brown wrote: Jim: <--- snip ---> With respect to the ballast resistor, unless you are into -- you can do away with it altogether if you are running a Pertronix ignition. One less piece to go bad. Tod B382002384LRXFE From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 25 15:56:33 2008 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop Restoration Question In-Reply-To: <4397895.191431222370091904.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web12-z01> Message-ID: <872415.5124.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Many years have passed since I stripped my Tiger hardtop and had it painted. Now I've installed a new headliner and am finally reassembling it. I have a question regarding the rubber trim that surrounds the hardtop's two side "pop-out" windows. The part I'm referring to is Sunbeam Specialties P/N HT-52 at this link: http://www.rootes.com/catalogindex.html under hardtop parts. Does this rubber molding piece need to be glued in with trim adhesive, or is it intended to stay in place on it's own due to the design of the trim where it fits to the hardtop window frame? If only I had a digital camera 25 years ago when it was disassembled! Thanks in advance.... Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Thu Sep 25 16:42:32 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:42:32 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Ed Esslinger Message-ID: <48DC13D8.8080207@SoCal.rr.com> I have noticed a continuing decrease in posts by Ed Esslinger. In trying to contact him, the e-mail was bounced from: Ed Esslinger I know he was one of our older enthusiasts (like me, DrMayf, and a few others who don't reveal their ages, but giveaway "my first new car was a Ford Model A". His article "Lucas, Prince of the Intermittent Windshield Wiper" has been on TigersUnited since June, 2002. http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/EsslingerWiper/rt-EsslingerWiper1.asp If anyone has any information about Ed, please advise. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Thu Sep 25 17:39:33 2008 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:39:33 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Front turn signal and running light - ballast resistor In-Reply-To: <95AB4656106841E1A3CE09FEB0223FE5@JEPHome> References: <95AB4656106841E1A3CE09FEB0223FE5@JEPHome> Message-ID: <7299BF192EB04C3B8001C36020BDE30F@jerry> Jim, When I finished my restoration eight years ago, one of the things I had to change was those little parking lights. Very poor design from what I remember being exposed to the wheel well mud, rain, etc. What I found that has worked for the last eight years is a small socket made from a soft plastic that uses the same bulb as the original, and with a little cutting with a razor blade or Exato knife. If I remember there are four tabs on the socket and you only need two so you have to carefully trim off two of the tabs so it will fit into the Tiger turn signal bucket. Another up side is there are two wires coming out of the back of the socket hook one to the red pos. side and as another lister said and is a great idea get a good ground to attach to. I drilled a small hole in the pinch weld towards the inside and used a 6-32 SS bolt for the ground. The part is available from Pep Boys,Autozone the number is 85814 it's listed as "lic. side marker socket" cost is $3.99 each. Comes in a blister pkg. Good luck Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James E. Pickard Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:23 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Front turn signal and running light - ballast resistor I'm cleaning up the front turn signals. My god they are cruddy from the dirt thrown off the tires! First question is how do you remove the small bulb? Mine don't seem to want to budge and I don't want to break them. Do they plug in, screw in, or rotate 90 degrees? Next question: does the large bulb socket and reflector detach from the chromed body without prying it apart? Looks like it was pounded together. On to the ballast resistor. Will cleaning it soap and water or a degreaser damage it? It looks pretty durable, but I hate learning the hard way. Thanks. Tigger heads to the paint shop tomorrow. It is a mere shell of its former self. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA You are subscribed as jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From fastsage at cox.net Thu Sep 25 18:00:15 2008 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:00:15 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Gauge Cleaning In-Reply-To: <268338.32347.qm@web83003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <268338.32347.qm@web83003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48DC260F.3010705@cox.net> Larry Allbritton wrote: > Hi Steve > What is the paint that you are using on the pointers? Hello Larry: It's been about five years since the last clean up/needle paint but I'm pretty sure it's Krylon SCB-022 Glow Orange. I think that Margaret at Mo-Ma had told me about the color and brand years ago. I do plan on letting the needles dry out for at least a couple of days when I paint them this time. In the past I've put the gauges back together shortly after I painted them. I'm not sure if the initial drying time is the problem though. The gauge glass inside has stayed clean for the first couple of years after I paint the needles, every time I've done it. It seems to start to get cloudy three or four years after the job gets done so maybe it is the fading/deterioration of the paint later that causes something to leach out and cloud things up. I'm definitely going to apply Rain x anti-fog to the glass this time to see if that helps. Now, everyone stay right next to your computer screens as I'll let everyone know sometime in 2012 or 2013 how the Rain x worked out! Thanks to everyone for all the excellent ideas so far. Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) Database version: 5.10780e http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ From bamcnulty at optonline.net Thu Sep 25 18:16:22 2008 From: bamcnulty at optonline.net (Tony McNulty) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:16:22 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Gauge Cleaning References: <268338.32347.qm@web83003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48DC260F.3010705@cox.net> Message-ID: I'll be going through the same thing soon. I'm thinking that perhaps a sealant over the paint may be one thing that's needed for the needles -- that stuff most definitely outgasses. That perhaps followed by a different elastomer to seal the window to the body of the gauge. I'll look into some of the outgassing properties of various sealants and report back on any nifty things that might work better than "old traditional" stuff. Could be as simple as a red silicone o-rings instead of "glop". I do know that the "black crap" that the Brits used to seal the original window faces was horrific -- melting and sticking to everything. Stay tuned over the winter as I try and salvage the bits and pieces of my car. Tony Mc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Sage" To: "Larry Allbritton" Cc: Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gauge Cleaning > Larry Allbritton wrote: >> Hi Steve >> What is the paint that you are using on the pointers? > > Hello Larry: > It's been about five years since the last clean up/needle paint but I'm > pretty sure it's Krylon SCB-022 Glow Orange. I think that Margaret at > Mo-Ma had told me about the color and brand years ago. > > I do plan on letting the needles dry out for at least a couple of days > when I paint them this time. In the past I've put the gauges back > together shortly after I painted them. I'm not sure if the initial > drying time is the problem though. The gauge glass inside has stayed > clean for the first couple of years after I paint the needles, every > time I've done it. It seems to start to get cloudy three or four years > after the job gets done so maybe it is the fading/deterioration of the > paint later that causes something to leach out and cloud things up. I'm > definitely going to apply Rain x anti-fog to the glass this time to see > if that helps. > > Now, everyone stay right next to your computer screens as I'll let > everyone know sometime in 2012 or 2013 how the Rain x worked out! > > Thanks to everyone for all the excellent ideas so far. > > Steve Sage > > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.1.322) > Database version: 5.10780e > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bamcnulty at optonline.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.2/1690 - Release Date: 9/25/2008 7:05 AM From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 19:29:48 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:29:48 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Gauge Cleaning In-Reply-To: References: <268338.32347.qm@web83003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48DC260F.3010705@cox.net> Message-ID: Somethign to take into account.. be it a urban myth or fact.. i have heard many times that paint applied to thickly adds enough weith to the needles to change the gauge readings.. so be careful how many layers/thichness is goign on there. I personally think it makes more difference to the minor gauges as the needles are so thin... where as speedo and tach are a bit mroe solid. -- Regards Michael King From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 25 20:50:24 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 19:50:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?Fw=3A_=5BePrize_=23365077=5D_=22W_-_Get_Smart?= =?utf-8?q?=2E_Eat_Fresh=2E_Win_Big=2E_Winner_Li=22st_Request=2C=E2=80=9D?= =?utf-8?q?=22?= Message-ID: <13001.41409.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received an email from the Subway Tiger give away contest- sent in after contest ended. I doubt any politics are involved. IMHO, at least. TtT --- On Thu, 9/25/08, ePrize Customer Service wrote: > From: ePrize Customer Service > Subject: [ePrize #365077] "W - Get Smart. Eat Fresh. Win Big. Winner Li"st Request,b " > To: achd73 at yahoo.com > Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 9:08 PM > Hello, > > Thank you for contacting us. > > Unfortunately, we cannot process your request at this time, > as all > winners for this promotion have not yet been determined. > Your request > has been placed on hold. Once all winners have been > selected and > confirmed for this promotion a copy of the winner list will > be emailed > to you. > > Thank you for your patience, > > Prize Fulfillment Services From sganz at pacbell.net Thu Sep 25 22:38:00 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Movie for a Friday Message-ID: <829228.70933.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't often find a video that puts such wonderment in my head. All I can say is watch your kids carefully as they grow up, and make sure they stay in school... http://www.motorator.com/videos/469 Enjoy the Movie for a Friday Sandy From atwittsend at verizon.net Thu Sep 25 23:23:52 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 22:23:52 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Movie for a Friday References: <829228.70933.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1BBDEFCA520F447F90FC7D9D3BD9725E@student2> Apparently these "illegal" street racers need a sanctioning body that requires them to wear fire suits! Not to mention the Banshee guy running without a helmet! Old age has its privileges - Common Sense. Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.3/1691 - Release Date: 9/25/2008 7:23 PM From edstiger at email.toast.net Fri Sep 26 06:27:49 2008 From: edstiger at email.toast.net (Ed Esslinger) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 07:27:49 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Ed Esslinger References: <48DC13D8.8080207@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <000c01c91fd3$4a34e1f0$6501a8c0@SEXEYNICKERS> Hi Steve He can be found at edstiger at email.toast.net Regards Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Laifman" To: "Tiger's Den" Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: [Tigers] Ed Esslinger >I have noticed a continuing decrease in posts by Ed Esslinger. In > trying to contact him, the e-mail was bounced from: > > Ed Esslinger > > I know he was one of our older enthusiasts (like me, DrMayf, and a few > others who don't reveal their ages, but giveaway "my first new car was a > Ford Model A". > > His article "Lucas, Prince of the Intermittent Windshield Wiper" has > been on TigersUnited since June, 2002. > > http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/EsslingerWiper/rt-EsslingerWiper1.asp > > > If anyone has any information about Ed, please advise. > > > Steve > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > _______________________________________________ From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Sep 26 07:22:48 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 07:22:48 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Gauge Cleaning Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F32A@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> In the tachs I've refurbished I can definitely tell when the needle has been painted. Fortunately there is a counterweight on the shaft mechanism that can be adjusted to account for extra or reduced weight. The small gauges have a completely different operating mechanism than the tach or speedo, and they also don't sweep out nearly as much of an angle as the tach or speedo, so they are actually less affected by the mass of the paint. Still, there is little purpose to piling it on too thick. If you're re-doing an earlier paint job then it's worth taking the time to remove the old extra paint from the needles. Theo From sralsten at ca.rr.com Fri Sep 26 11:13:27 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:13:27 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Movie for a Friday Message-ID: <27886888.123211222449208100.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web24-z02> Too bad all street races don't go this way, rather than having someone (often univolved) get hurt or killed. Steve R ---- Thomas Witt wrote: > Apparently these "illegal" street racers need a sanctioning body that > requires them to wear fire suits! Not to mention the Banshee guy running > without a helmet! Old age has its privileges - Common Sense. > > Tom > > > [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried > to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.3/1691 - Release Date: 9/25/2008 7:23 > PM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sralsten at ca.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From cmccann at lwpb.com Fri Sep 26 11:34:15 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:34:15 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Movie for a Friday In-Reply-To: <829228.70933.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <829228.70933.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473388065B2C@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> thats funny...kinda...are these kids too cheap for a bottle warmer? using a torch to heat up a nos bottle seems pretty dumb. I especially like it when he stops moving the butane torch when he is messing with something else...its like ironing your best work shirt and walking away from the iron face down......lol on another note, if I owned the Honda, I wouldn't have considered a it to be in even remotely in the same class as a bike or atv....the power to weight ratio of a bike/atv to almost any car is like apples to oranges. I did some of this in my younger days, ( tried not to be too stupid, but still...) and I would have never bet anything that a 400 horse sedan could outrun even a stock Japanese sport bike...much less a modified one. Just bad judgment...no comparison........... Subject: [Tigers] Movie for a Friday I don't often find a video that puts such wonderment in my head. All I can say is watch your kids carefully as they grow up, and make sure they stay in school... From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Fri Sep 26 12:32:55 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:32:55 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Gauge Cleaning In-Reply-To: <48DC260F.3010705@cox.net> References: <268338.32347.qm@web83003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48DC260F.3010705@cox.net> Message-ID: <48DD2AD7.8050903@SoCal.rr.com> Steve, RE: Tiger needles, I seem to remember a "square" o-ring glass seal. These can easily fall apart over the years, especially with gauge repairs. Lucas/Smiths instrument repair guys had them, but a neoprene round X-section will work, in a pinch. The width/depth ratio (1:1) will not look the same as the stock ones. I also went to a Model Store (airplane, not photo models) and bought their small bottle of "Insignia Red"neon bright paint for needles. Small bottle with cap/brush. Never had a "fog" issue, though. These were used on my Porsche VDO gauges. PS: the painting and assembly should be done in a non-humid environment, such as you used to enjoy. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Sage wrote: > Larry Allbritton wrote: > >> Hi Steve >> What is the paint that you are using on the pointers? >> > > Hello Larry: > It's been about five years since the last clean up/needle paint but I'm > pretty sure it's Krylon SCB-022 Glow Orange. I think that Margaret at > Mo-Ma had told me about the color and brand years ago. > > I do plan on letting the needles dry out for at least a couple of days > when I paint them this time. In the past I've put the gauges back > together shortly after I painted them. I'm not sure if the initial > drying time is the problem though. The gauge glass inside has stayed > clean for the first couple of years after I paint the needles, every > time I've done it. It seems to start to get cloudy three or four years > after the job gets done so maybe it is the fading/deterioration of the > paint later that causes something to leach out and cloud things up. I'm > definitely going to apply Rain x anti-fog to the glass this time to see > if that helps. > > Now, everyone stay right next to your computer screens as I'll let > everyone know sometime in 2012 or 2013 how the Rain x worked out! > > Thanks to everyone for all the excellent ideas so far. > > Steve Sage From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 14:05:36 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:05:36 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] loose rear hubs Message-ID: <39a841b0809261305r36a597b1vf84d7c41a727f8a5@mail.gmail.com> gosh, i am sorry to keep plaguing the list with my endless problems but i need your wisdom again! my car must be a real dog eh! for several months now, my left rear wheel bearing has been a little loose and making a sort of squashy wheel bearing noise. i have the bearings and seals and a custom tiger hub puller but was putting off the work as i was going to put my posi and rear disc brakes on at the same time. however, i've got a vintage track day next month so decided to do bearings today. when i pulled the left drum off i found hub was loose on the shaft! (i bet some of you wish you had my problem!) i pulled it off, checked the key and filed the rear of the axle nut smooth and replaced it, torquing the axle nut right up to the next hole for the split pin which made the nut very tight indeed. however, the hub still has some rotational play on the shaft as if the key is too small and the wheel still makes the same noise when rolling. i think the bearings are probably ok as, with the benefit of hindsight, i realised the noise is worse when making a right corner and yet the forces should be transmitted to the right side (inside) bearing in that case. so what is the correct fix? get a new key? a new hub? any advice much appreciated! thanks, - owain. From cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 26 14:12:40 2008 From: cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net (Chris Richards) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] loose rear hubs In-Reply-To: <39a841b0809261305r36a597b1vf84d7c41a727f8a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <364224.4191.qm@web83207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don'o- take it to a reputable mechanic and have it diagnosed? And repaired!??!! I can only imagine the time and money saved by this list..... Regards-Chris , i am sorry to keep plaguing the list with my endless problems but i need your wisdom again! my car must be a real dog eh! so what is the correct fix? get a new key? a new hub? any advice much appreciated! thanks, - owain. You are subscribed as cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Sep 26 14:14:27 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:14:27 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] loose rear hubs Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F331@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Are you sure the hub is loose on the shaft? It would be more likely that you're just seeing backlash from the differential. The correct torque for the rear hub nuts is 125 foot-pounds. If you still have play between the hub and the axle shaft after applying this amount of torque to the nut, then the rear hub to axle interface is completely wiped out and you will most likely be looking for both an axle and a hub... The key doesn't really have any function when the axle and hub are both in good shape, under normal circumstances... The taper fit and the torque applied to the rear hub nut should give enough interference between the hub and axle that it would take some fantastic amount of torque to break the engagement between the two. The key just acts to make sure that even if you were to somehow apply too much torque, that it doesn't slip the axle in the hub and start a destructive process. Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net > ] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd > > so what is the correct fix? get a new key? a new hub? any > advice much appreciated! > > thanks, > > - owain. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as theo.smit at dynastream.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Fri Sep 26 14:31:41 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 21:31:41 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] loose rear hubs In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F331@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F331@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0809261331y17df5d73j52a5309694ad5120@mail.gmail.com> it's definitely the hub that is loose because the shaft isn't moving when the hub is moved clockwise/anti clockwise. it doesn't move much but you can feel it with your hand. maybe about 1 degree or less. i probably put about 500-600 foot pounds on the axle nut to get align with the split pin hole after it became tight. so - now i need to find an axle shaft and a hub before next weekend? tricky. thanks On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > Are you sure the hub is loose on the shaft? It would be more likely that > you're just seeing backlash from the differential. > > The correct torque for the rear hub nuts is 125 foot-pounds. If you > still have play between the hub and the axle shaft after applying this > amount of torque to the nut, then the rear hub to axle interface is > completely wiped out and you will most likely be looking for both an > axle and a hub... > > The key doesn't really have any function when the axle and hub are both > in good shape, under normal circumstances... The taper fit and the > torque applied to the rear hub nut should give enough interference > between the hub and axle that it would take some fantastic amount of > torque to break the engagement between the two. The key just acts to > make sure that even if you were to somehow apply too much torque, that > it doesn't slip the axle in the hub and start a destructive process. > > Theo > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net >> [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net >> ] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd > >> >> so what is the correct fix? get a new key? a new hub? any >> advice much appreciated! >> >> thanks, >> >> - owain. >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as theo.smit at dynastream.com >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive From atwittsend at verizon.net Fri Sep 26 16:29:38 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 15:29:38 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] loose rear hubs References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F331@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> <39a841b0809261331y17df5d73j52a5309694ad5120@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9AB5BF357CC946F38475861BD9FC1D7A@student2> Owain, I just looked at my hub/nut and my spare axle. This is what I have come up with: Are you sure that the nut is actually tightening the hub? Which leads to: Is the nut running out of threads (hitting the axle taper) before the hub is tight? There is a washer between the nut and hub. Maybe someone turned the face of the hub to true it up (like in damaging it to get the thing off). Maybe you can try two washers??? Is the key sticking out, wedging and the nut is tightening against the key and not the hub? Theo is right, the taper alone should hold the hub. I remember when I was a student at L.A. Trade Tech a skinny student "tapped" a tapered piece into the horizontal mill. It took all the force the instructor could muster to get it out - after many tries. Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.3/1693 - Release Date: 9/26/2008 7:35 AM From edstiger at email.toast.net Fri Sep 26 16:34:40 2008 From: edstiger at email.toast.net (Ed Esslinger) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:34:40 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Ed Esslinger WIPER DELAY UNITS References: <48DC13D8.8080207@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <007f01c92028$11b5d640$6501a8c0@SEXEYNICKERS> Steve- I have sold my design and interest in the Wiper Delay Units to Bob White who is making them using my latest design. My old eyes (82 years now) won't let me keep making them any more. Check out Bob White's web site at. http://www.roblinphoto.com/wipers Best Regards Ed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Laifman" To: "Tiger's Den" Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: [Tigers] Ed Esslinger >I have noticed a continuing decrease in posts by Ed Esslinger. In > trying to contact him, the e-mail was bounced from: > > Ed Esslinger > > I know he was one of our older enthusiasts (like me, DrMayf, and a few > others who don't reveal their ages, but giveaway "my first new car was a > Ford Model A". > > His article "Lucas, Prince of the Intermittent Windshield Wiper" has > been on TigersUnited since June, 2002. > > http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/EsslingerWiper/rt-EsslingerWiper1.asp > > > If anyone has any information about Ed, please advise. > > > Steve > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > _______________________________________________ From stubrennan at comcast.net Sat Sep 27 12:10:49 2008 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 14:10:49 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Cape Cod British Car Show Weather issues Message-ID: <000501c920cc$5fc234b0$6601a8c0@Brennan> Late word on the Cape Cod British Car Club car show for tomorrow, Sunday: Due to the weather, they are saying that the show is being postponed, with a new schedule TBD. Other parts of their weekend are either cancelled or running on schedule. Up to the second details are being posted on their web site at: http://www.capecodbritishcarclub.org/ They seem to be talking about rescheduling the show, so if you were going, check their site frequently. Stu Brennan From Cushcom1 at aol.com Sat Sep 27 14:10:03 2008 From: Cushcom1 at aol.com (Cushcom1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:10:03 EDT Subject: [Tigers] STORAGE HELP Message-ID: Do any listers in the greater San Diego area know where I can store and maintain my just-purchased Tiger while my garage is being remodeled. I will need safe, indioor facilities for 6 mo. to 1 year. This car is WAY too nice to sit out under a tarp. When I lived in Orange County there used to be some pretty nice drive in/drive out storage facilities but so far I can't locate anything nice in this part of the world. Thanks in advance from the Tigerman B382000441LRXFE "The Black Bastard" **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From v8tracker at gmail.com Sun Sep 28 12:20:20 2008 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:20:20 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s Message-ID: I saw a mention on the Internet that the installed length of 302s in the pre-94 Thunderbirds were as much as 2 inches shorter than in Mustangs. Supposedly due to different front covers and possibly different water pumps, but very vague. Anyone know anything about this? A.C. Tynes New Orleans From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Sun Sep 28 13:00:26 2008 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <665685.87324.qm@web82703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> An excerpt from this web page: http://www.mre-books.com/ranger/cooling.html "If you need a few more inches of room at the front of your motor a possibility worth considering is one of the short water pumps offered by Ford Motorsport. The standard rotation pump is designed to be used with V belt pulleys, part # M-8501-N, and is 1.5 inches shorter than the standard small block water pump. It must be used with a special pulley set M-8509-N. There's also a short pump for use with serpentine belts. It's part # M-8509-A50. It's 1.75 inches shorter than the production water pumps and comes with a special front cover which has no provision for a mechanical fuel pump. It requires the use of a special alternator-mounting bracket M-8511-C351 and a special steel 3-piece pulley set M-8509-L or M-8509-M for aluminum pulleys. 1991-93 5.0L Thunderbird and Cougar as well as 1994-95 5.0L Mustang all used a similar short water pump and front cover and can be an excellent choice for a donor vehicle to acquire your new V8 from." Bill Waite Grand Rapids --- On Sun, 9/28/08, A. C. Tynes wrote: From: A. C. Tynes Subject: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 2:20 PM I saw a mention on the Internet that the installed length of 302s in the pre-94 Thunderbirds were as much as 2 inches shorter than in Mustangs. Supposedly due to different front covers and possibly different water pumps, but very vague. Anyone know anything about this? A.C. Tynes New Orleans You are subscribed as fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From achd73 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 13:46:18 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s In-Reply-To: <665685.87324.qm@web82703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <522855.32573.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If one moved his water pump back 1.5" that would make more room but now how do I bring the crank pulley in alignment with the pump pulley. Thinking the pump is further back I would then have to move the pressed on flange the pulley bolts to as far forward as possible. I don't think there is that much room, so next would be shimming the pulley as well in order to align the two pulleys and that's not even considering the generator as its now out of line as well. Those running an alternator would have an easier time moving it, perhaps, but so far I only see the shorter pump creating more problems than it fixes but I like the idea if someone can tell me how it can all work to benefit the purchase and the additional work needed to get everything else shorter as well. TtT --- On Sun, 9/28/08, Bill Waite wrote: > From: Bill Waite > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s > To: tigers at autox.team.net, "A. C. Tynes" > Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 2:00 PM > An excerpt from this web page: > http://www.mre-books.com/ranger/cooling.html > > "If you need a few more inches of room at the front of > your motor a possibility worth considering is one of the > short water pumps offered by Ford Motorsport. The standard > rotation pump is designed to be used with V belt pulleys, > part # M-8501-N, and is 1.5 inches shorter than the standard > small block water pump. It must be used with a special > pulley set M-8509-N. There's also a short pump for use > with serpentine belts. It's part # M-8509-A50. It's > 1.75 inches shorter than the production water pumps and > comes with a special front cover which has no provision for > a mechanical fuel pump. It requires the use of a special > alternator-mounting bracket M-8511-C351 and a special steel > 3-piece pulley set M-8509-L or M-8509-M for aluminum > pulleys. 1991-93 5.0L Thunderbird and Cougar as well as > 1994-95 5.0L Mustang all used a similar short water pump and > front cover and can be an excellent choice for a donor > vehicle to acquire your new V8 from." > > Bill Waite > Grand Rapids From v8tracker at gmail.com Sun Sep 28 15:53:23 2008 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:53:23 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s In-Reply-To: <665685.87324.qm@web82703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <665685.87324.qm@web82703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8C157366FFD54FEA9FAFC62BDAD68946@DellD4700> Thanks, Bill. That was the exact info I was looking for. It looks like the simplest solution is to find the right donor car in the first place. A.C. Tynes > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Waite [mailto:fordlandia at sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 2:00 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net; A. C. Tynes > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s > > An excerpt from this web page: http://www.mre- > books.com/ranger/cooling.html > > "If you need a few more inches of room at the front of your motor a > possibility worth considering is one of the short water pumps offered by > Ford Motorsport. The standard rotation pump is designed to be used with V > belt pulleys, part # M-8501-N, and is 1.5 inches shorter than the standard > small block water pump. It must be used with a special pulley set M-8509- > N. There's also a short pump for use with serpentine belts. It's part # M- > 8509-A50. It's 1.75 inches shorter than the production water pumps and > comes with a special front cover which has no provision for a mechanical > fuel pump. It requires the use of a special alternator-mounting bracket M- > 8511-C351 and a special steel 3-piece pulley set M-8509-L or M-8509-M for > aluminum pulleys. 1991-93 5.0L Thunderbird and Cougar as well as 1994-95 > 5.0L Mustang all used a similar short water pump and front cover and can > be an excellent choice for a donor vehicle to acquire your new V8 from." > > Bill Waite > Grand Rapids > > --- On Sun, 9/28/08, A. C. Tynes wrote: > > > From: A. C. Tynes > Subject: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 2:20 PM > > > I saw a mention on the Internet that the installed length of 302s in > the > pre-94 Thunderbirds were as much as 2 inches shorter than in > Mustangs. > Supposedly due to different front covers and > possibly different water pumps, > but very vague. Anyone know anything about this? > > > > A.C. Tynes > > New Orleans > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as fordlandia at sbcglobal.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From dave at munroe.ca Sun Sep 28 16:27:46 2008 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:27:46 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s In-Reply-To: <8C157366FFD54FEA9FAFC62BDAD68946@DellD4700> References: <665685.87324.qm@web82703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8C157366FFD54FEA9FAFC62BDAD68946@DellD4700> Message-ID: Wow Bill; Great info......thanks! I have my cooling issues resolved, but only about 1/2 inch clearance between the rad and my stock water pump shaft. My fan is also buried deep into the shroud. This short body pump needs a special pulley set to make everything line up properly, but it also looks like I could even shim up the fan blade to sit properly in the shroud. I'll have to check on this tomorrow. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. C. Tynes" To: ; Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s > Thanks, Bill. That was the exact info I was looking for. > > It looks like the simplest solution is to find the right donor car in the > first place. > > A.C. Tynes From achd73 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 19:35:09 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s / 90 degree adapter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <910782.61370.qm@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> After giving the short water pump "parts swap" some more thought, I realized that somewhere "donor car or engine" had been mentioned or maybe I dreamed it. At any rate, if a person had the complete engine and was installing same, all parts would have to line up. But if changing them on an early SBF engine some problems will still arise. Thinking(dangerous for me) that the donor engine would have a crank pulley that makes things line up, I have to wonder if it will clear everything our crank pulley does. I think of this because to the best of my memory, there are no other cars that used the same pulley. Also the newer engine has a four bolt harmonic balancer- most likely a 50 oz. so it would require the purchase of an adjustable balancer if used on an older 28 oz. engine. They are available and will allow fitment of three or four hole pulleys, in case it required the stock Tiger crank pulley for fitment. I'm really interested to know if this shorter water pump and pulleys that match will solve problems or create new ones. I'm not trying to be a pessimist, just have a desire to know about any and all parts that will fit on Tigers, especially if they make improvement over stock parts. Another subject, recently mentioned was the 90 degree oil filter adapter. I remember a post saying it wouldn't work on a car with headers but I think I also read that CAT had headers made that it did clear. I know that each time CAT made a new order for headers, they had the manufacture to rework the previous set to correct any problems with clearances etc. Having tried to do so with each order made in the past. With that in mind, is there anyone who is using the 90 degree filter adapter and also running headers that clear the adapter/filter? Thanks in advance. Tony From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Sep 28 19:44:19 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:44:19 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s / 90 degree adapter Message-ID: Tony, I can tell you that the 90 degree adapter won't fit with the 2008 version of CAT headers. Mark **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From achd73 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 28 20:36:44 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:36:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s / 90 degree adapter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <794699.85113.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> THANKS Mark. I was afraid I was going to hear that. Oh well, nothing like running hoses 40 plus years old. LOL TtT --- On Sun, 9/28/08, CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > From: CoolVT at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s / 90 degree adapter > To: achd73 at yahoo.com, tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 8:44 PM > Tony, > I can tell you that the 90 degree adapter won't fit > with the 2008 version > of CAT headers. > Mark > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your > real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and > information, tips and > calculators. > (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From sganz at pacbell.net Sun Sep 28 21:37:49 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s / 90 degree adapter Message-ID: <290231.97235.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It was pretty easy making a repacement for the external spin on filter with the Canton filter and a new adapter (old one might still work). The only down side is that you can't just get a filter at the autoparts store. Good to know that hoses last that long ;-) http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/TigerEngine.html Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Tony Somebody To: tigers at autox.team.net; CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 7:36:44 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s / 90 degree adapter THANKS Mark. I was afraid I was going to hear that. Oh well, nothing like running hoses 40 plus years old. LOL TtT --- On Sun, 9/28/08, CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > From: CoolVT at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s / 90 degree adapter > To: achd73 at yahoo.com, tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Sunday, September 28, 2008, 8:44 PM > Tony, > I can tell you that the 90 degree adapter won't fit > with the 2008 version > of CAT headers. > Mark > > > > **************Looking for simple solutions to your > real-life financial > challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and > information, tips and > calculators. > (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From 65tiger at comcast.net Sun Sep 28 23:00:27 2008 From: 65tiger at comcast.net (65tiger at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 05:00:27 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s / 90 degree adapter Message-ID: <092920080500.27764.48E060EB000457D200006C7422007507440A040A040A0D070C@comcast.net> Tony, The 5.0 Motorsport sold came with the 50 oz. serpentine crank pulley and short water pump. From the block to the steering rack is 6.25 inches. The crank pulley is 5.25 inches, clears the rack by 1.o inch. The water pump lines up with the pulley so what is left is to line up your alternator. The parts were apparently from the Ford Explorer of that era. Curtis -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Tony Somebody > After giving the short water pump "parts swap" some more thought, I realized > that somewhere "donor car or engine" had been mentioned or maybe I dreamed it. > At any rate, if a person had the complete engine and was installing same, all > parts would have to line up. But if changing them on an early SBF engine some > problems will still arise. Thinking(dangerous for me) that the donor engine > would have a crank pulley that makes things line up, I have to wonder if it will > clear everything our crank pulley does. I think of this because to the best of > my memory, there are no other cars that used the same pulley. Also the newer > engine has a four bolt harmonic balancer- most likely a 50 oz. so it would > require the purchase of an adjustable balancer if used on an older 28 oz. > engine. They are available and will allow fitment of three or four hole pulleys, > in case it required the stock Tiger crank pulley for fitment. I'm really > interested to know if this shorter water > pump and pulleys that match will solve problems or create new ones. I'm not > trying to be a pessimist, just have a desire to know about any and all parts > that will fit on Tigers, especially if they make improvement over stock parts. > > Another subject, recently mentioned was the 90 degree oil filter adapter. I > remember a post saying it wouldn't work on a car with headers but I think I also > read that CAT had headers made that it did clear. I know that each time CAT made > a new order for headers, they had the manufacture to rework the previous set to > correct any problems with clearances etc. Having tried to do so with each order > made in the past. With that in mind, is there anyone who is using the 90 degree > filter adapter and also running headers that clear the adapter/filter? > Thanks in advance. > Tony > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as 65tiger at comcast.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From dave at munroe.ca Mon Sep 29 06:34:48 2008 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:34:48 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s / 90 degree adapter In-Reply-To: <290231.97235.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <290231.97235.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9431F2EB440A43A6A3AA847BDA205233@DavePC> Hey Sandy; Great looking project engine. I was interested in your build-specs - you referenced a Crower Composite distributor Gear..... I have just ordered one of those small cap MSD distributors for my Tiger, and its specs indicate it comes with an iron drive gear. I am running a Comp Cams 270 deg cam with flat tappet hydraulic roller lifters, and had to put a special gear on the end of my stock distributor. Do you know if I will need to change this iron gear that comes with the MSD, and if so, is it likely that the gear I put on the stock dizzy wil fit? Thanks, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Ganz" To: ; ; Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s / 90 degree adapter > It was pretty easy making a repacement for the external spin on filter with > the Canton filter and a new adapter (old one might still work). The only down > side is that you can't just get a filter at the autoparts store. Good to know > that hoses last that long ;-) > > http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/TigerEngine.html > Sandy From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Sep 29 06:56:14 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:56:14 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s / 90 degree adapter Message-ID: Curtis, What is the solution to overcoming the "serpentine" crank pulley? Is there a V belt pulley that will replace it? mark **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From Cushcom1 at aol.com Mon Sep 29 07:34:38 2008 From: Cushcom1 at aol.com (Cushcom1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:34:38 EDT Subject: [Tigers] CAT Message-ID: Can a lister out there put me in touch with C.A.T.? I need to rejoin the club and get back in action...thanks, jeff cushing the tigerman **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Sep 29 08:10:17 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:10:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] CAT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <286F8D6CF13A4477880E50263E6A041C@ronpc1> http://www.catmbr.org/ -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cushcom1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 9:35 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] CAT Can a lister out there put me in touch with C.A.T.? I need to rejoin the club and get back in action...thanks, jeff cushing the tigerman **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1697 - Release Date: 9/29/2008 7:40 AM From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Mon Sep 29 08:27:53 2008 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:27:53 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s / 90 degree adapter References: Message-ID: <93C61184587749178BCA08BAF16BF08C@your4dacd0ea75> Tony, Most everyone with CAT headers has read the CAT tech tip about the Renault oil filter that doesn't need a 90 degree adapter. The current headers definitely clear it. I do still run the 90 degree adapter with the old JC Whitney headers that Thunderbird Products made decades ago. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s / 90 degree adapter > Tony, > I can tell you that the 90 degree adapter won't fit with the 2008 > version > of CAT headers. > Mark From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Sep 29 09:21:59 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:21:59 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s / 90 degree adapter Message-ID: Buck, Is that the stubby filter that you are referring to? Mark **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From Rollright at aol.com Mon Sep 29 09:28:51 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:28:51 EDT Subject: [Tigers] The Wave (sportscar wave and etiquette, defined and discussed) Message-ID: Lovingly lifted from a California source, PLEASE read: _http://www.capecodbritishcarclub.org/thewave.html_ (http://www.capecodbritishcarclub.org/thewave.html) Heartwarming for we folks that remember........... and a beginning for the younger ones among us. Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From atwittsend at verizon.net Mon Sep 29 09:48:06 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:48:06 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] The Wave (sportscar wave and etiquette, defined and discussed) References: Message-ID: <8CA8541EFBAE4AE9BBEEC21DE61CF012@student2> "and a beginning for the younger ones among us." While analog in action the wave is "digit-al" in presentation. That should catch on with the younger crowd. Although, they may struggle with confusion between a sports car wave and a Wav. file. But, as you indicate, they have to start somewhere. Frankly, I think it's a great idea. Tom :-) [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1696 - Release Date: 9/28/2008 1:30 PM From fabbro at shaw.ca Mon Sep 29 11:13:48 2008 From: fabbro at shaw.ca (Kim Fabbro) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:13:48 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Tach Hook Up Message-ID: <000001c92256$bc940980$6401a8c0@fabbro> Hi all How is the stock Tiger tach hooked up? Not the light but the tach function. There are two leads one is a blade type and the other is a thumb screw type with a small U shaped connector under it. Thanks From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Sep 29 11:21:59 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:21:59 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Tach Hook Up Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F33B@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> The thumb screw with a U-shaped metal piece (and, if you're in luck, a little clear-plastic widget) under it is one half of a current-sensing transformer. The OEM wiring loom has the white wire that runs from the ignition switch to the coil looped once through the U, i.e. the wire passes through the U twice. As the points open and close, the current through the loop pulses on and off, and the other side of the transformer (which is inside the case of the tach) provides the signal to run the meter movement. The spade lug on the tach connects to 12V switched/fused ignition (a green wire). The case of the tach has to be properly grounded... If you have tach problems make sure that the daisy-chain black wire that runs along the back of all the instruments is actually connected to the chassis somewhere. The following link has a picture of the OEM tach wiring. http://members.shaw.ca/tsmit/tachmod/Tachwiring.gif Cheers, Theo From cmccann at lwpb.com Mon Sep 29 12:48:38 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:48:38 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] (non tiger) cars for sale in california, good deal Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473388065DD4@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Friends, I have a good friend in Lompoc California who is trying to sell a 67 el camino and a 69 chevelle projects. I have images and information of both. The el camino is 2500.00, and the 69 chevelle is 3500.00. The el camino appears to be totally ready to run except it needs a motor and transmission, and from the photo the body is gorgeous, It doesnt look to me like it even needs paint or anything. The Chevelle is a bigger project, but is rolling and the body is in excellent condition. send me an email if you want the specifics. Thanks! Cullen From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Mon Sep 29 13:17:06 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:17:06 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] The Wave (sportscar wave and etiquette, defined and discussed) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E129B2.3040600@SoCal.rr.com> Jim, Thanks for the article. It was a bit nostalgic for me, as I was there when it started in my new 1951 MG-TD. There weren't that many sports cars on the road then, and the hierarchy wasn't yet developed. Unusually enough, there are still many on the road, driving all sorts of vehicles, that give the Tiger a "thumbs-up". Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Rollright at aol.com wrote: > Lovingly lifted from a California source, PLEASE read: > > _http://www.capecodbritishcarclub.org/thewave.html_ > (http://www.capecodbritishcarclub.org/thewave.html) > > > Heartwarming for we folks that remember........... > and a beginning for the younger ones among us. > > > Best regards, > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE From dave at munroe.ca Mon Sep 29 14:00:33 2008 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:00:33 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Headers and Oil filters Message-ID: Does anyone recognize these headers? They came with my car, and were really beat up (old). The engine was fitted with a stubby filter that went between the headers and the block. It was not easy to get the filter out or in, and you had to let the engine cool down or rick setting fire to your hair. Very dramatic when running out of the garage to get away from the combustibles... Dave http://mgb.munroe.ca/daves-garage/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=2 http://mgb.munroe.ca/daves-garage/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=3 From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Sep 29 14:08:16 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:08:16 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Headers and Oil filters Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F33F@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> I have a set of those, except they're not shiny, and they have more dents than yours... They're currently on the shelf. At least with those, you have room for any and all remote filter setups, because the #5 pipe runs behind the engine mount. I don't see how the filter would have come even close to the headers... There isn't a lot of room to the frame rail, though. Theo From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Sep 29 14:17:03 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:17:03 EDT Subject: [Tigers] The Wave (sportscar wave and etiquette, defined and discussed) Message-ID: I found the same thing with motorcycles back in the 60's. You might see a bike on the road once per week so you'd wave. Now your arm would be worn out if you waved to every biker. I mean I rode bikes before the law even enforced the safety inspection on them. M **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From Cushcom1 at aol.com Mon Sep 29 14:59:20 2008 From: Cushcom1 at aol.com (Cushcom1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:59:20 EDT Subject: [Tigers] CONTACT INFO Message-ID: Do any listers have the contact info for Theo Smith in San Diego? Thanks from jeff cushing the tigerman **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From jteepen at usatoday.com Mon Sep 29 16:30:38 2008 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:30:38 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s / 90 degree adapter In-Reply-To: <93C61184587749178BCA08BAF16BF08C@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <9FF002B4A98E0F4FB752C81A06F004E97271E31AD2@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> A filter commonly referenced for the Renault was the Fram PH3512, which is now very difficult to find. NAPA has an equivalent NAPA branded 1056, which is a bit smaller in diameter but also a bit longer than the PH3512, that works and fits well. The CAT headers (I have been told...) were initially designed to work with a remote filter set up but have evolved over the years to accommodate a short block filter. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Buck Trippel Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 7:28 AM To: CoolVT at aol.com; achd73 at yahoo.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s / 90 degree adapter Tony, Most everyone with CAT headers has read the CAT tech tip about the Renault oil filter that doesn't need a 90 degree adapter. The current headers definitely clear it. I do still run the 90 degree adapter with the old JC Whitney headers that Thunderbird Products made decades ago. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s / 90 degree adapter > Tony, > I can tell you that the 90 degree adapter won't fit with the 2008 > version > of CAT headers. > Mark From dave at munroe.ca Mon Sep 29 17:08:04 2008 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:08:04 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s / 90 degree adapter In-Reply-To: <9FF002B4A98E0F4FB752C81A06F004E97271E31AD2@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> References: <9FF002B4A98E0F4FB752C81A06F004E97271E31AD2@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> Message-ID: The "shortie" filter I used with my previously displayed headers was a Wix 51335. Couldn't have filtered much..it is really short. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teepen, Jere" To: "Buck Trippel" ; ; ; Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s / 90 degree adapter >A filter commonly referenced for the Renault was the Fram PH3512, which is >now > very difficult to find. NAPA has an equivalent NAPA branded 1056, which is > a > bit smaller in diameter but also a bit longer than the PH3512, that works > and > fits well. > > The CAT headers (I have been told...) were initially designed to work with > a > remote filter set up but have evolved over the years to accommodate a > short > block filter. > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Buck > Trippel > Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 7:28 AM > To: CoolVT at aol.com; achd73 at yahoo.com; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s / 90 degree adapter > > Tony, > > Most everyone with CAT headers has read the CAT tech tip about the Renault > oil > filter that doesn't need a 90 degree adapter. The current headers > definitely > clear it. > > I do still run the 90 degree adapter with the old JC Whitney headers that > Thunderbird Products made decades ago. > > Buck Trippel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 6:44 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s / 90 degree adapter > > >> Tony, >> I can tell you that the 90 degree adapter won't fit with the 2008 >> version >> of CAT headers. >> Mark > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as dave at munroe.ca > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From PhastPhill at aol.com Tue Sep 30 09:21:33 2008 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:21:33 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s / 90 degree adapter Message-ID: The WIX 51335 is the one I use and have no problem getting them from our jobber. Oil seems to come out clean.....Mobil 1...face it I only drive two or three thousand miles a year in the Tiger. And it's put away with fresh oil for the winter. Old oil comes out so nice I put it in my old 8n Ford tractor. From mark.rense at ge.com Tue Sep 30 09:55:18 2008 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:55:18 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s / 90 degree adapter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The Wix 51335 filter was recommended to me by Doug Jennings many moons ago, and I have used it on several close-clearance SBF applications. It is also available at NAPA stores, filter part number 1335 (Wix makes the majority of NAPA's filters). Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of PhastPhill at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 11:22 AM To: dave at munroe.ca; jteepen at usatoday.com; BuckTrippel at Verizon.net; CoolVT at aol.com; achd73 at yahoo.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Thunderbird 302s / 90 degree adapter The WIX 51335 is the one I use and have no problem getting them from our jobber. Oil seems to come out clean.....Mobil 1...face it I only drive two or three thousand miles a year in the Tiger. And it's put away with fresh oil for the winter. Old oil comes out so nice I put it in my old 8n Ford tractor. From sralsten at ca.rr.com Tue Sep 30 11:21:28 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:21:28 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Headlight frame needed Message-ID: <14859121.464541222795288571.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web19-z02> Pulled a dumb move last weekend. Took the car to a local car wash for clay and wax job. The highly skilled help knocked off or just loosened my pass side headlight frame. After picking up the car, 1/2 block from car wash it came off putting a gouge in the hood paint before hitting the asphalt and was run over before I could get stopped and run back to it. Live and learn. I need a new or good used one for passenger side. Snap style for MK1. Carnival red a bonus. Seems to be a poor design anyway have any of you added a retaining screw ? Where ? Thanks Steve R B9473720 LROFE From sralsten at ca.rr.com Tue Sep 30 11:23:08 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:23:08 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Headlight frame needed Message-ID: <15832836.464831222795388203.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web19-z02> Pulled a dumb move last weekend. Took the car to a local car wash for clay and wax job. The highly skilled help knocked off or just loosened my pass side headlight frame. After picking up the car, 1/2 block from car wash it came off putting a gouge in the hood paint before hitting the asphalt and was run over before I could get stopped and run back to it. Live and learn. I need a new or good used one for passenger side. Snap style for MK1. Carnival red a bonus. Seems to be a poor design anyway have any of you added a retaining screw ? Where ? Thanks Steve R B9473720 LROFE From rootes1 at earthlink.net Tue Sep 30 11:35:06 2008 From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:35:06 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] YELLOW FLAG AHP 295B REPRISE Message-ID: In case you haven't all ready heard. http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/coys-ascot/coys-ascot.htm ncm [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1700 - Release Date: 9/30/2008 11:03 AM From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Tue Sep 30 12:08:17 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:08:17 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Headlight frame needed In-Reply-To: <14859121.464541222795288571.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web19-z02> References: <14859121.464541222795288571.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web19-z02> Message-ID: <48E26B11.6090406@SoCal.rr.com> Steve, and Tigers, I., too, lost a headlight lidded Mk I frame. It came off at speed on the freeway. I was trying to pull over to reclaim it, when my dear one restrained me. Yes, I wasn't thinking. I did replace both of them with the Mk IA style with the fixing screw lids. The Mk I "snap-ons" were not secure (proven) and I have never had any issue with them. Suggest you replace the factory rejected design (and it cost them more) with the later ones. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com sralsten at ca.rr.com wrote: > Pulled a dumb move last weekend. Took the car to a local car wash for clay and wax job. The highly skilled help knocked off or just loosened my pass side headlight frame. After picking up the car, 1/2 block from car wash it came off > putting a gouge in the hood paint before hitting the asphalt and was run over before I could get stopped and run back to it. Live and learn. > > I need a new or good used one for passenger side. Snap style for MK1. Carnival red a bonus. > > Seems to be a poor design anyway have any of you added a retaining screw ? > Where ? > > Thanks > > Steve R > B9473720 LROFE From Tigerman67 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 30 12:08:57 2008 From: Tigerman67 at hotmail.com (Tiger Man) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:08:57 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Headlight frame needed References: <14859121.464541222795288571.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web19-z02> Message-ID: You might try to see if the manager at the local car wash is willing to cough up some money for the damage they did. I had them tear up some wipers on a car once, and they refunded me the receipt amount for a new set without blinking. Went to another location of the same local chain several years later, and they had just changed chemicals or something and gave my car what someone told me was a Ph burn of the paint. Basically took another detail shop about $75-$100 to buff out the paint job to make it look right. On that one, I really had to fight them to get some money out of them, and I don't think I got the whole amount, but hey, its worth a shot. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 11:21 AM Subject: [Tigers] Headlight frame needed > Pulled a dumb move last weekend. Took the car to a local car wash for clay > and wax job. The highly skilled help knocked off or just loosened my pass > side headlight frame. After picking up the car, 1/2 block from car wash it > came off > putting a gouge in the hood paint before hitting the asphalt and was run > over before I could get stopped and run back to it. Live and learn. > > I need a new or good used one for passenger side. Snap style for MK1. > Carnival red a bonus. > > Seems to be a poor design anyway have any of you added a retaining screw ? > Where ? > > Thanks > > Steve R > B9473720 LROFE > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tigerman67 at hotmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From cars at wt-inc.com Tue Sep 30 12:59:29 2008 From: cars at wt-inc.com (Lynn Wall) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:59:29 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] NPC- No Tiger content -- Natural gas conversions Message-ID: <002401c9232e$ab1249a0$0136dce0$@com> Has anyone on the list explored the purchase and self-installation of a natural gas conversion kit on a Diesel truck? Any contacts/info would be appreciated. I know I can pay to have one installed but they seem pretty pricey and the break-even seems pretty far out. I have a natural gas filling station by my house and have grown weary of watching large vehicles fill up for $20.00 while my truck is about $75.00. Thanks in advance, Lynn From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Tue Sep 30 13:49:47 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:49:47 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] NPC- No Tiger content -- Natural gas conversions In-Reply-To: <002401c9232e$ab1249a0$0136dce0$@com> References: <002401c9232e$ab1249a0$0136dce0$@com> Message-ID: <48E282DB.7010004@SoCal.rr.com> Lynn, As I recall, diesel engines use the fuel that also provides lubrication. The direct injection 6 cyl. Mercedes 300SL GAS fuel pump was of a a very special design. While it "looked" like a 6 cyl. diesel pump, it was sealed and lubricated to pump gas. And very expensive, running $1200 rebuild in 1960's. I am not sure how your diesel engine is lubricated, but it is a consideration. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Lynn Wall wrote: > Has anyone on the list explored the purchase and self-installation of a > natural gas conversion kit on a Diesel truck? > > > > Any contacts/info would be appreciated. > > > > I know I can pay to have one installed but they seem pretty pricey and the > break-even seems pretty far out. I have a natural gas filling station by my > house and have grown weary of watching large vehicles fill up for $20.00 > while my truck is about $75.00. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Lynn From cars at wt-inc.com Tue Sep 30 14:40:08 2008 From: cars at wt-inc.com (Lynn Wall) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:40:08 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] [DeTomaso] NPC- No Tiger content -- Natural gas conversions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003801c9233c$ba6dae90$2f490bb0$@com> I guess I should have been more descriptive. The system I am looking at has the option to run both Diesel and propane. It is just a flip of a switch. I saw one and sniffed around it earlier today. I have a Duramax diesel that is turbo charged and very fast/powerful with relatively decent mileage (17-21). I have a friend of mine that installs these systems and is reluctant to share information. He is what I would consider a weak (at best) mechanic. I was figuring that if he could do it, so could I. I know, I know, famous last words but based on the other work I have done it doesn't scare me. Lynn From: JDeRyke at aol.com [mailto:JDeRyke at aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:45 PM To: cars at wt-inc.com; detomaso at realbig.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC- No Tiger content -- Natural gas conversions In a message dated 9/30/08 12:00:15 PM, cars at wt-inc.com writes: Has anyone on the list explored the purchase and self-installation of a natural gas conversion kit on a Diesel truck? Why bother when a conventional diesel will run fine on drain oil, ATF or waste cooking oil, all of which places CHARGE you to dispose of? You may find problems in refueling LG in some areas of the country, and that can restrict your travel. Its no fun at all to sit in a closed LG refueling station, waiting for morning so an attendant can unlock the pump..... Normally a turbo is added to LG conversions to regain power lost with low-output LG, but adding a turbo to a conventional diesel will blow your mind with the way it performs. The biggest problem with 15 psi boost (2X power boost) is with stock head bolts; they stretch and pop head gaskets but ARP makes better bolts. Our turbo-diesel towtruck patches all 4 rear tires under boost and get 15 mpg with a trailer behind. Talk to Gale Banks for the real scoop on the choices you have with diesel. Good luck- J Deryke ************** Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From mrlau at charter.net Tue Sep 30 16:09:59 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:09:59 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] [DeTomaso] NPC- No Tiger content -- Natural gasconversions In-Reply-To: <003801c9233c$ba6dae90$2f490bb0$@com> Message-ID: <20080930221002.UFSH3342.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> Expect way less power and about half of the miles per gallon. -- Bill -- I guess I should have been more descriptive. The system I am looking at has the option to run both Diesel and propane. It is just a flip of a switch. I saw one and sniffed around it earlier today. I have a Duramax diesel that is turbo charged and very fast/powerful with relatively decent mileage (17-21). I have a friend of mine that installs these systems and is reluctant to share information. He is what I would consider a weak (at best) mechanic. I was figuring that if he could do it, so could I. I know, I know, famous last words but based on the other work I have done it doesn't scare me. Lynn From: JDeRyke at aol.com [mailto:JDeRyke at aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:45 PM To: cars at wt-inc.com; detomaso at realbig.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC- No Tiger content -- Natural gas conversions In a message dated 9/30/08 12:00:15 PM, cars at wt-inc.com writes: Has anyone on the list explored the purchase and self-installation of a natural gas conversion kit on a Diesel truck? Why bother when a conventional diesel will run fine on drain oil, ATF or waste cooking oil, all of which places CHARGE you to dispose of? You may find problems in refueling LG in some areas of the country, and that can restrict your travel. Its no fun at all to sit in a closed LG refueling station, waiting for morning so an attendant can unlock the pump..... Normally a turbo is added to LG conversions to regain power lost with low-output LG, but adding a turbo to a conventional diesel will blow your mind with the way it performs. The biggest problem with 15 psi boost (2X power boost) is with stock head bolts; they stretch and pop head gaskets but ARP makes better bolts. Our turbo-diesel towtruck patches all 4 rear tires under boost and get 15 mpg with a trailer behind. Talk to Gale Banks for the real scoop on the choices you have with diesel. Good luck- J Deryke From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Sep 30 16:34:18 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tilton hydraulic Throw Out Bearing Message-ID: <583167.76796.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Any one use one of the Tilton hydraulic TRB's in a tiger? I was looking at getting rid of the clutch fork and rest of the mess. Seems simpler to just bite the bullet and use one of them instead of messing with a 6 bolt clutch slave adapter, new fork, piviot etc. Tilton Parts 61-618 Top loader Base Assembly 61-601 Hydraulic TRB Downside is expensive and harder to replace if a problem, upside, less stuff hanging out. I have one in the cobra with a dual tilton disk pack, but never used it with a 3 finger style plate or a street car. Sandy From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Tue Sep 30 21:54:11 2008 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:54:11 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Front parking light/turn signal Message-ID: <08D8F4FBA1564304BD74364D2962FD59@JEPHome> I need a front parking light/turn signal (EL54 in the SS catalog). There is no price on it, so I assume it isn't available from Rick. Anybody have a source, new or used? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) - in the paint shop AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Tue Sep 30 23:15:35 2008 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:15:35 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Front parking light/turn signal References: <08D8F4FBA1564304BD74364D2962FD59@JEPHome> Message-ID: <8C43D544E77C473D81F84DD56081E477@your4dacd0ea75> You can try Kip Motors in Dallas. They make a nice repro. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "James E. Pickard" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:54 PM Subject: [Tigers] Front parking light/turn signal >I need a front parking light/turn signal (EL54 in the SS catalog). There >is > no price on it, so I assume it isn't available from Rick. Anybody have a > source, new or used? Thanks. > > Jim Pickard > B9473298 ('65 Tiger) - in the paint shop > AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold > 2003 MiniFrom harryb at elams.org Tue Sep 30 14:40:36 2008 From: harryb at elams.org (Harry B. Elam) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:40:36 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Filter Message-ID: <48E28EC4.2010508@elams.org> I don't have headers but the NAPA equivalent for Fram 3512 is NAPA 1335. I have been using these since removing the remote and oil cooler years ago. Harry Elam B282000471 From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Tue Sep 30 21:54:11 2008 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:54:11 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Front parking light/turn signal Message-ID: <08D8F4FBA1564304BD74364D2962FD59@JEPHome> I need a front parking light/turn signal (EL54 in the SS catalog). There is no price on it, so I assume it isn't available from Rick. Anybody have a source, new or used? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) - in the paint shop AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Tue Sep 30 23:15:35 2008 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:15:35 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Front parking light/turn signal References: <08D8F4FBA1564304BD74364D2962FD59@JEPHome> Message-ID: <8C43D544E77C473D81F84DD56081E477@your4dacd0ea75> You can try Kip Motors in Dallas. They make a nice repro. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "James E. Pickard" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:54 PM Subject: [Tigers] Front parking light/turn signal >I need a front parking light/turn signal (EL54 in the SS catalog). There >is > no price on it, so I assume it isn't available from Rick. Anybody have a > source, new or used? Thanks. > > Jim Pickard > B9473298 ('65 Tiger) - in the paint shop > AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold > 2003 Mini Cooper > Lafayette, LA > _______________________________________________