From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Wed Oct 1 09:28:05 2008 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:28:05 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Download a FREE printable 2009 Tiger Calendar... Message-ID: Hi All,I bought back my calendar after taking 2008 off! You can visit my website and download an 8-1/2 x 11 calendar that you can print out and hang on your garage, basement, work or home wall. http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/calendar/index.html This one is a bit different for me, it's close up shots of some basic Tiger features, and uses smaller pictures and headlines from some old Rootes Group Advertising...so check it out. If you want I will have a few bigger ones (11 x 17) for sale...$20 shipped to your door in the U.S. All proceeds go into my own Tiger restoration. Thanks,Paul P.S. I hope to be posting some pictures shortly on my progress...I am so close to being on the road again! _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From jteepen at usatoday.com Wed Oct 1 12:15:58 2008 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:15:58 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Download a FREE printable 2009 Tiger Calendar... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9FF002B4A98E0F4FB752C81A06F004E97271EF6CC8@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> Paul: Thanks and well done! -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul R. Breuhan Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 8:28 AM To: Tigers Den Subject: [Tigers] Download a FREE printable 2009 Tiger Calendar... Hi All,I bought back my calendar after taking 2008 off! You can visit my website and download an 8-1/2 x 11 calendar that you can print out and hang on your garage, basement, work or home wall. http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/calendar/index.html This one is a bit different for me, it's close up shots of some basic Tiger features, and uses smaller pictures and headlines from some old Rootes Group Advertising...so check it out. If you want I will have a few bigger ones (11 x 17) for sale...$20 shipped to your door in the U.S. All proceeds go into my own Tiger restoration. Thanks,Paul P.S. I hope to be posting some pictures shortly on my progress...I am so close to being on the road again! From Drmoonstone at aol.com Wed Oct 1 13:03:17 2008 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:03:17 EDT Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: Cool (LOL) the cost we charge is the same for nearly all our coatings. The most expensive and most important part of the coating is the prep....all done by hand. We use two processes before the part gets to the three different blast cabinets and then double applications of two products. We are a low production shop, choosing to maintain the highest quality versus high production numbers and for the most part cheaper than our mass production rivals. Several years ago we had occasion to be approached by several big name after market producers of carbs, manifolds and headers to do their work. Respectfully we turned down the work for the above mentioned reason. Moonstone ************** Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Wed Oct 1 21:51:50 2008 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:51:50 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Stock looking Hurst shifter Message-ID: <7C9759AA9B014056B11D54FE7D013214@JEPHome> Several years ago I bought a stock appearing shift lever for my Hurst linkage. I came from a Cobra replica manufacturer in FL if my failing memory serves me. It was available in a short or long version and I opted for the short. Now I want to replace it with the long model. Anybody have a link to this outfit or another source? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) - in the paint shop and primed AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From jim at island.net Wed Oct 1 22:27:20 2008 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:27:20 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Stock looking Hurst shifter In-Reply-To: <7C9759AA9B014056B11D54FE7D013214@JEPHome> Message-ID: <018d01c92447$295230a0$4101a8c0@JIMPC> I got a 289 Cobra repro shifter for my Hurst comp plus linkage from Dan Williams Toploaders... http://www.toploadertransmissions.com/cobrashifters.html There isn't a picture of it on the site but I can send you some if you like.. I also got a very thick polished stainless shift boot ring and new boot from him. I think it was a bit over $200 for the works... Jim B38200446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James E. Pickard Sent: October 1, 2008 8:52 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Stock looking Hurst shifter Several years ago I bought a stock appearing shift lever for my Hurst linkage. I came from a Cobra replica manufacturer in FL if my failing memory serves me. It was available in a short or long version and I opted for the short. Now I want to replace it with the long model. Anybody have a link to this outfit or another source? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) - in the paint shop and primed AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA You are subscribed as jim at island.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 23:07:20 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:07:20 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Stock looking Hurst shifter In-Reply-To: <018d01c92447$295230a0$4101a8c0@JIMPC> References: <7C9759AA9B014056B11D54FE7D013214@JEPHome> <018d01c92447$295230a0$4101a8c0@JIMPC> Message-ID: Quick question, I have a hurst shifter in my Tiger, The stock shifter will not bolt up to this? The linkage arms are different? -- Regards Michael King From jim at island.net Wed Oct 1 23:26:06 2008 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 22:26:06 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Stock looking Hurst shifter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <019101c9244f$5ebe35b0$4101a8c0@JIMPC> No.the stock shifter has a flat plate on the bottom as I recall..and there are two bolts that hold it.one in front and one behind. The Hurst bolts on with two bolts that are spaced vertically on the shaft and fasten crossways onto the linkage. My Cobra repro handle has a 'T' reverse lockout like the original but it's just a 'dummy' as there is no internal rod attached to it. Jim _____ From: michael king [mailto:michael.s.king at gmail.com] Sent: October 1, 2008 10:07 PM To: Jim Cc: James E. Pickard; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stock looking Hurst shifter Quick question, I have a hurst shifter in my Tiger, The stock shifter will not bolt up to this? The linkage arms are different? -- Regards Michael King From sganz at pacbell.net Thu Oct 2 06:44:45 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 05:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Stock looking Hurst shifter Message-ID: <662432.49009.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Try - http://finishlineaccessories.com/catalog/ Cobra accessories and parts in FL. I think also David Kee Top Loader has them as well. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: James E. Pickard To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2008 8:51:50 PM Subject: [Tigers] Stock looking Hurst shifter Several years ago I bought a stock appearing shift lever for my Hurst linkage. I came from a Cobra replica manufacturer in FL if my failing memory serves me. It was available in a short or long version and I opted for the short. Now I want to replace it with the long model. Anybody have a link to this outfit or another source? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) - in the paint shop and primed AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Thu Oct 2 18:11:01 2008 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Duke Samouce) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 19:11:01 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] What's the skinny on EBay member "texastigert"? In-Reply-To: <662432.49009.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <662432.49009.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c924ec$853c1980$8fb44c80$@rr.com> Where does he get all of the NOS Tiger parts that he sells all the time on eBay (fleabay, fleacebay...etc)? I suspect that he either makes trips to England yearly to buy obsolete Rootes parts in bulk or has people who ship the NOS parts to him from England. I emailed him once to get a price on several items (hoping for a discount) and he offer back the same prices as if I bought each item separately on eBay. That put me off just a bit. I would love to have much that he sells but the prices are to much for me at this time. Duke B382002037 From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 18:12:05 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:12:05 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Ebay Tiger scam AGAIN Message-ID: Ok, Here we go again. A while back i posted about someone selling a "early tiger clock" on ebay.. after emailing the seller i explained to them it was infact a S3/IV alpine clock NOT a Tiger clock. I got his response: *"The clock I'm selling is correct for Tiger, AFTER you replace the movement with Quartz Movement.The housing and numbers are correct for tiger the only difference is the wording at the top. The previous wording at the top means nothing.Because most original clocks dont work.When you send in this clock to be redone, the new silk screening with read for neg earth at the top."* it seems we are at it again.. i have mailed the seller asking for the numbers.. wonder if i will get a response. there is 1 bidder already at $150 If anyone has bid on item: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140272160452&_trksid=p2759.l1259 I strongly advise you to confirm the clocks numbers.. otherwise you may be paying a premium for the wrong clock. -- Regards Michael King From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 22:42:25 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:42:25 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Ebay Tiger scam AGAIN In-Reply-To: <8CAF31AC6F3D37B-D44-1810@webmail-da17.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAF31AC6F3D37B-D44-1810@webmail-da17.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: 2008/10/3 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ebay Tiger scam AGAIN To: michael.s.king at gmail.com Boy oh Boy here we go again another E-mail from this guy it seems like its a daily thing.Maybe some day your car will be on the road.So you can enjoy it.In the meantime if your lonely try MY Space.Your e-mails on this listing are annoying i guess dont try and rip people off -- Regards Michael King From rootes1 at earthlink.net Sat Oct 4 16:01:57 2008 From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:01:57 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] YELLOW FLAG AHP 295B REPRISE - risen from the dead In-Reply-To: <002501c9266aFrom jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk Sun Oct 5 04:06:08 2008 From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:06:08 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] What's the skinny on EBay member "texastigert"? In-Reply-To: <000001c924ec$853c1980$8fb44c80$@rr.com> References: <662432.49009.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000001c924ec$853c1980$8fb44c80$@rr.com> Message-ID: HI Duke, its Tim Morin. I have bought as number of parts off him with no problems. He was very pleasant to deal with. regards In message <000001c924ec$853c1980$8fb44c80$@rr.com>, Duke Samouce writes >Where does he get all of the NOS Tiger parts that he sells all the time on >eBay (fleabay, fleacebay...etc)? > >I suspect that he either makes trips to England yearly to buy obsolete >Rootes parts in bulk or has people who ship the NOS parts to him from >England. > >I emailed him once to get a price on several items (hoping for a discount) >and he offer back the same prices as if I bought each item separately on >eBay. That put me off just a bit. > >I would love to have much that he sells but the prices are to much for me at >this time. > >Duke >B382002037 >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive > -- Jeff Howarth From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Sun Oct 5 07:41:22 2008 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 09:41:22 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Anyone added Hazard Lights to their Tiger? Message-ID: Hello All, I am looking at adding flashing hazard lights to my Tiger...has anyone done this? I am sure someone has... My thought was to use another 3 pronged flasher can. Prong 1 gets the battery power with a switch between the battery and the can. Prongs 2 & 3 each get one side (left or right) of the lights. Does that sound like a reasonable idea? I am looking for a simple solution....I am not an electrical engineer, but I play one on my car. Thanks,Paul _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life togetherat home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ From tsmit at shaw.ca Sun Oct 5 09:19:35 2008 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 09:19:35 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Horns In-Reply-To: <8abbe6e00810042121u6ded8d2eh5c124d8648f88fc@mail.gmail.com> References: <8abbe6e00810042121u6ded8d2eh5c124d8648f88fc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E8DB07.4010600@shaw.ca> I'm in the process of rewiring my Tiger with a Painless wiring 7 circuit fuse panel and some additional relays for the horns and headlights. The 7 fuse panel has four of them relay-switched so that you can relieve the ignition switch of the heavy loads as well. I'll try and get some documentation out in the coming months. The reason that the horn button works the way it does is that in this way you only need one slip ring on the steering column to transfer the current (assuming the steering shaft to be grounded through the bearings). It's common to the vast majority of cars out there... but most cars nowadays (and even quite a few back in the 60's and 70's) have relays to drive the actual horn circuit. A Bosch style relay can be wired to drive the horns as follows: The #85/86 circuit is the low-current coil. Connecting 12 volts across these terminals connects the high-current switch (terminals 30 and 87/87A) together. So connect #85 to 12 volts (with a 2 amp fuse just in case) and #86 to the horn ring wiper (purple lead on the column, off the top of my head - I could be wrong there). Connect #30 to 12 volts (brown wires on the existing fuse panel) with a 20 amp fuse. Connect #87 and/or 87A to one terminal of each horn. Connect the other terminal on each horn to the chassis using a secure connection. It's probably best to use 14 gauge wiring for the high current circuit. Honk away to your heart's content. Theo Cliff Alexander wrote: > Hello List-- Has anyone modified the wiring for the horns? My horns hardly > work at all, very low and uneven volume. It seems to me that they are wired > backwards. The positive (+) is at the horns constantly and when the horn > button is pressed that completes the circuit to ground (-). I'm trying to > figure out how to put a relay in the circuit so the horn button only has a > low amperage load and the high amp load is from the relay to the horns. Any > ideas welcome. Thanks Cliff > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tsmit at shaw.ca > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From garywinblad at comcast.net Sun Oct 5 09:39:25 2008 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 15:39:25 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Anyone added Hazard Lights to their Tiger? Message-ID: <100520081539.17306.48E8DFAD00090E280000439A22155751140B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net> Hi Paul, Funny you mention hazards.. Just 2 days ago I was thinking of my setup and was contemplating building up some kits to sell on ebay. If you get a short 2 prong heavy duty flasher, a small dpdt toggle switch, and a small 12V light you can build it into the steering column bezel. To do this, make a new "plug" to replace the rubber plug and install the switch and light in it. All wiring can be plugin to the stock wiring, everything easily revsible to stock. Any one want a 20minute install kit? Gary -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Paul R. Breuhan" > Hello All, > I am looking at adding flashing hazard lights to my Tiger...has anyone done > this? I am sure someone has... > > My thought was to use another 3 pronged flasher can. > Prong 1 gets the battery power with a switch between the battery and the can. > Prongs 2 & 3 each get one side (left or right) of the lights. > > Does that sound like a reasonable idea? > > I am looking for a simple solution....I am not an electrical engineer, but I > play one on my car. > > Thanks,Paul From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 11:39:00 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 18:39:00 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Anyone added Hazard Lights to their Tiger? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39a841b0810051039o64a913a5g42a4308b4a178180@mail.gmail.com> i used a triumph tr6 switch in the hole in the middle of the dash below the clock and fuel gauge. just connected it to both poles of the existing flasher relay and it works fine. it also has a red light in it. this picture was taken before i added a bezel to it. http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/Hazards/slides/CIMG3047.JPG On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Paul R. Breuhan wrote: > Hello All, > I am looking at adding flashing hazard lights to my Tiger...has anyone done > this? I am sure someone has... > > My thought was to use another 3 pronged flasher can. > Prong 1 gets the battery power with a switch between the battery and the can. > Prongs 2 & 3 each get one side (left or right) of the lights. > > Does that sound like a reasonable idea? > > I am looking for a simple solution....I am not an electrical engineer, but I > play one on my car. > > Thanks,Paul > _________________________________________________________________ > See how Windows Mobile brings your life together at home, work, or on the go. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 11:58:10 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 18:58:10 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] hub and bearing follow up Message-ID: <39a841b0810051058p55ada9fbw93d5683e849fcdf3@mail.gmail.com> dear all, many thanks to those who commented and offered advice on my bearing and hub issues. the hub turned out to fit on the shaft nicely after i cleaned up the surfaces on the hub, the washer and the key so i pulled the shaft and changed the bearing. with the shaft being so long i wasn't able to rig up any way to press the bearing on hydraulically but i put the bearing in boiling water and using the dismantled old bearing and some pipe i could tap it on quite easily. the cup also tapped into the axle housing fairly easily after leaving it in the freezer for a while. now the wheel is tight and doesn't make the nasty noise it did before. From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sun Oct 5 13:41:21 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:41:21 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Anyone added Hazard Lights to their Tiger? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Paul Yes I have put hazard lights on my Tiger. I'm no electrical guy either so please correct any errors if anyone sees them. The stock flasher can on the Tiger has a B post for the battery, an L post for the load and a P post for the indicator light. I'm not sure the P post will support enough amperage to run the flashers even on just one side. I added a 2 post flasher can; connected the B post to the battery and the L post to both sides of a double pole switch and then the flashers to the switch. Left side flashers on one side of the double pole switch and the right side flashers to the other side of the switch. It seems to me that I have a slight problem with the way I wired this in my Tiger and there is condition when the flashers do not work when I want them to. I need to look at what I did to see if I can correct that problem. I think I pulled the 12v battery line to the flasher can from the wrong place. I really need to go back under the dash again to make a diagram of that wiring change. I also changed to having a left and right turn signal indicator and I changed the rear tail lights so both upper and lower segments light up when I turn the lights on. My thoughts are that more tail light = more safety at night. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul R. Breuhan Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2008 9:41 AM To: Tigers Den Subject: [Tigers] Anyone added Hazard Lights to their Tiger? Hello All, I am looking at adding flashing hazard lights to my Tiger...has anyone done this? I am sure someone has... My thought was to use another 3 pronged flasher can. Prong 1 gets the battery power with a switch between the battery and the can. Prongs 2 & 3 each get one side (left or right) of the lights. Does that sound like a reasonable idea? I am looking for a simple solution....I am not an electrical engineer, but I play one on my car. Thanks,Paul _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life togetherat home, work, or on the go. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/ You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1705 - Release Date: 10/3/2008 8:18 AM From todbrown at roadrunner.com Sun Oct 5 14:59:09 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:59:09 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Horns Message-ID: <48E92A9D.8070808@roadrunner.com> Cliff, et al: It's not the connections to the horns that gives trouble, although adding a relay is probably not a bad idea. The horns, themselves, gradually give up with time but they often can be brought back to life. If you look carefully at the horns, you will find an adjustment screw which can be turned while applying the current to adjust the volume of the horn. Try that first before going on to other solutions. It's also true that fully 90% or more of the electrical problems with British cars are due to a bad ground. Make sure the connections are good and clean, that will often help as well. Tod B382002384LRXFE From todbrown at roadrunner.com Sun Oct 5 15:08:06 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 17:08:06 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Anyone added Hazard Lights to their Tiger? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E92CB6.80904@roadrunner.com> Paul: You're on the right track. The CAT Shop Notes have a description of how to do this. You will need a three-pronged flasher (#550 suggested) and a double-pole single-throw switch (DPST). I did this several years ago and it works great. Tod B382002384LRXFE From rtscolgan at yahoo.com Sun Oct 5 19:46:36 2008 From: rtscolgan at yahoo.com (Russ and Tammy C.) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 18:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: ceramic headers Message-ID: <277469.74093.qm@web50906.mail.re2.yahoo.com> who has statistics on the performance of the different colors of ceramic coated headers? I understand that black is a little better than the rest of the colors. Are there any statistics? Thanks, Russ From mk1a67 at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 20:23:00 2008 From: mk1a67 at gmail.com (Cliff Alexander) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:23:00 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Horns In-Reply-To: <48E92A9D.8070808@roadrunner.com> References: <48E92A9D.8070808@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <8abbe6e00810051923j42a4cadg311710ce744a11fd@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for everyone's help on this. I now have more things to look at and ideas to try. Cliff On 10/5/08, Tod Brown wrote: > > Cliff, et al: > > It's not the connections to the horns that gives trouble, although adding a > relay is probably not a bad idea. The horns, themselves, gradually give up > with time but they often can be brought back to life. If you look carefully > at the horns, you will find an adjustment screw which can be turned while > applying the current to adjust the volume of the horn. Try that first > before going on to other solutions. It's also true that fully 90% or more > of the electrical problems with British cars are due to a bad ground. Make > sure the connections are good and clean, that will often help as well. > > Tod > B382002384LRXFE From achd73 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 5 23:24:51 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 22:24:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] test Message-ID: <710062.45873.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Testing From Rollright at aol.com Mon Oct 6 07:53:02 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:53:02 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 441 Message-ID: Hello, Are there any wiper blades or plug in wipers that can be obtained from a NAPA or Auto Place kind of place for a Mk !A? Detailing the car yesterday, I found half the driver's rubber to be separated. I don't want to have to "send away" on this part as I'll be out of town from Wed. thru Friday and leave Friday late afternoon for Tod Brown's yearly gala event. BTW: overheating problems caused by bad core. Input side corrosion. More later. Need advise fast on wipers, PLEASE ! Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Oct 6 09:03:02 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:03:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 441 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <90932E0CD79C4950B74B677BEFFF00F1@ronpc1> Jim I have purchased a 22" wiper blade refill; removed the flexible wiper blade part from the stainless steel flat metal form and then cut the blade in 2. You now have 2 new 11" blades that you insert into the 11" SS metal form. I don't see a listing in NAPA online. Do you have a foreign auto parts store in your area? They would carry them. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 9:53 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 441 Hello, Are there any wiper blades or plug in wipers that can be obtained from a NAPA or Auto Place kind of place for a Mk !A? Detailing the car yesterday, I found half the driver's rubber to be separated. I don't want to have to "send away" on this part as I'll be out of town from Wed. thru Friday and leave Friday late afternoon for Tod Brown's yearly gala event. BTW: overheating problems caused by bad core. Input side corrosion. More later. Need advise fast on wipers, PLEASE ! Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! 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Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Mon Oct 6 12:23:53 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:23:53 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: ceramic headers In-Reply-To: <277469.74093.qm@web50906.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <277469.74093.qm@web50906.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48EA57B9.5090004@SoCal.rr.com> I recall a recent post on this subject from "Dr. Moonstone" (Sean Ford). I recall, maybe wrongly, that the color has little to do with the thermal performance of a recommended "Ceramic" coating his company provides (at a discount to Tiger owners). It is the low thermal conductivity of the coating, rather than the color, in this type of coating. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Russ and Tammy C. wrote: > who has statistics on the performance of the different colors of ceramic > coated headers? I understand that black is a little better than the rest of > the colors. Are there any statistics? > > Thanks, Russ From rp at rpc.is Mon Oct 6 14:07:30 2008 From: rp at rpc.is (=?iso-8859-1?Q?R=F6gnvaldur_P=E1lmason?=) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:07:30 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Unsubscribe Message-ID: Dear sir. Please take me off your mailing list. Best regards, rp at rpc.is Rp, R.Palmason Mep kvepju / With regards / Venlig hilsen . Rvgnvaldur Palmason RP Consulting ehf. Voluteig 6 bil 4 270 Mosfellsbfr Iceland * Smmi: + 354 821 9444 * Fax: + 354 567 2922 * Psstur: rp at rpc.is " Vefur: www.rpc.is Vvruztkeyrsla : Sigmar 896 0683 Sa sem fyrir tilviljun, mistvk epa an sirstakrar heimildar tekur vip smmskeytum, myndum epa vprum fjarskiptamerkjum og taknum epa hlustar a smmtvl ma ekki skra neitt slmkt hja sir epa notffra sir ~ap a nokkurn hatt. Jafnframt ber honum ap tilkynna sendanda ap uppl}singar hafi ranglega borist sir. Skylt er ap gfta fyllsta trznapar m slmkum tilfellum skv. 5. mgr. 47. gr. Laga nr. 81/2003 um fjarskipti. The information transmitted, including any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged material and is intended only for the addressee. The contents of the message are the individual senders responsibility if it is not related to the operation of RP CONSULTING . If you receive this in error, please keep the information confidential, contact the sender and delete the material from your system. From GRMTim at aol.com Mon Oct 6 19:22:31 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 21:22:31 EDT Subject: [Tigers] 10 Hours in a Tiger Message-ID: Not really knowing what to expect, we headed off to start the Bluegrass 1000 tour in our newly finished 1965 Sunbeam Tiger. With little more than 100 miles of real testing and sorting, we rolled the dice and headed out for four days and 1000 miles of driving on all kinds of roads. After our first day and close to ten hours in the seat, we are ecstatic, The car ran like a top and gave us virtually no trouble. The only real problem we had was a speedometer that went on the fritz. Perhaps even more important than actually surviving the day, is the fact that both Margie and I really like the car. It is powerful, yet docile and is very well mannered, even when we got lost in downtown Louisville, during rush hour. We are averaging about 15 mpg, with our 410 horsepower stroker motor and do not feel at all beat up after a day of hard driving. The 3.07:1 final drive works great, even on the interstate. The exhaust is loud in town, but quiet on the highway and on back roads. The seats are comfortable. The heat worked when we needed it and air vents worked well when it got warm outside. We have no back aches or complaints and are both thoroughly in love with our Tiger. We have three more days, but so far so good. Today we got to run at the Kentucky speedway and went from Louisville all the way to the Natural Bridge state park in eastern Kentucky. If anyone wants to see pics, you can go to our website, ClassicMotorsports.net, where we keep all our updates, tech notes and pics. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Mon Oct 6 19:35:20 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:35:20 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 10 Hours in a Tiger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48EABCD8.7040404@SoCal.rr.com> Tim, and Tigers, The DIRECT link to Tim's Tiger project is: * http://www.classicmotorsports.net/project-cars/1965-sunbeam-tiger/* and don't miss the link in the article: *http://www.classicmotorsports.net/project-cars/1965-sunbeam-tiger/updates/* Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com GRMTim at aol.com wrote: > <--- snip ---> > > If anyone wants to see pics, you can go to our website, > ClassicMotorsports.net, where we keep all our updates, tech notes and pics. > > > > Tim Suddard From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Mon Oct 6 19:51:53 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:51:53 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 10 Hours in a Tiger In-Reply-To: <48EABCD8.7040404@SoCal.rr.com> References: <48EABCD8.7040404@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <48EAC0B9.5060804@SoCal.rr.com> Whoops. Sorry! The link(s) provided seem to have included an added "*" before and after the link address. Just copy/paste the address in between (without the *). Correct link format would be: http://www.classicmotorsports.net/project-cars/1965-sunbeam-tiger/ and http://www.classicmotorsports.net/project-cars/1965-sunbeam-tiger/updates/ I'll be more careful in adding links, in the future, as the List removes the hot link format of the e-mail, and adds those "*". Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Laifman wrote: > Tim, and Tigers, > > The DIRECT link to Tim's Tiger project is: > * > http://www.classicmotorsports.net/project-cars/1965-sunbeam-tiger/* > > and don't miss the link in the article: > > *http://www.classicmotorsports.net/project-cars/1965-sunbeam-tiger/updates/* > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > > GRMTim at aol.com wrote: > >> <--- snip ---> >> >> If anyone wants to see pics, you can go to our website, >> ClassicMotorsports.net, where we keep all our updates, tech notes and pics. >> >> >> >> Tim Suddard >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as slaifman at socal.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Oct 6 20:05:22 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 22:05:22 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 10 Hours in a Tiger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tim Welcome To the world that is Sunbeam. I think you will find that we all have been pleasantly surprised with the ease and comfort of these cars. Sometimes I have to tap on the speedometer to get it to work. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GRMTim at aol.com Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 9:23 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] 10 Hours in a Tiger Not really knowing what to expect, we headed off to start the Bluegrass 1000 tour in our newly finished 1965 Sunbeam Tiger. With little more than 100 miles of real testing and sorting, we rolled the dice and headed out for four days and 1000 miles of driving on all kinds of roads. After our first day and close to ten hours in the seat, we are ecstatic, The car ran like a top and gave us virtually no trouble. The only real problem we had was a speedometer that went on the fritz. Perhaps even more important than actually surviving the day, is the fact that both Margie and I really like the car. It is powerful, yet docile and is very well mannered, even when we got lost in downtown Louisville, during rush hour. We are averaging about 15 mpg, with our 410 horsepower stroker motor and do not feel at all beat up after a day of hard driving. The 3.07:1 final drive works great, even on the interstate. The exhaust is loud in town, but quiet on the highway and on back roads. The seats are comfortable. The heat worked when we needed it and air vents worked well when it got warm outside. We have no back aches or complaints and are both thoroughly in love with our Tiger. We have three more days, but so far so good. Today we got to run at the Kentucky speedway and went from Louisville all the way to the Natural Bridge state park in eastern Kentucky. If anyone wants to see pics, you can go to our website, ClassicMotorsports.net, where we keep all our updates, tech notes and pics. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1711 - Release Date: 10/6/2008 5:37 PM From strombecker at telus.net Mon Oct 6 22:56:04 2008 From: strombecker at telus.net (TM) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 21:56:04 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] wheel studs Message-ID: Hi I am looking for two front hube wheel studs. If anybody has any they could sell me, or know where I can get them, please email me at strombecker at telus.net Thanks Terry B9471362 From Cushcom1 at aol.com Tue Oct 7 09:38:03 2008 From: Cushcom1 at aol.com (Cushcom1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:38:03 EDT Subject: [Tigers] SAN DIEGO CONNECTION Message-ID: DO ANY LISTERS OUT THERE HAVE ANY CONTACTS FOR TIGER OWNERS AN PARTS SUPPLIERS IN THE SAN DIEGO (CA) AREA? the tigerman **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From sralsten at ca.rr.com Tue Oct 7 09:52:37 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:52:37 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] SAN DIEGO CONNECTION Message-ID: <24819169.769761223394757674.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web16-z02> If you are a CAT member check the register of members. If you are not and you are in So Cal you might want to join. If you are not in So Cal you could try contacting CAT and ask about a member list. I'm only a new member myself so I have no idea what their policy is on sharing member lists. http://www.catmbr.org/ Steve R ---- Cushcom1 at aol.com wrote: > DO ANY LISTERS OUT THERE HAVE ANY CONTACTS FOR TIGER OWNERS AN PARTS SUPPLIERS IN THE SAN DIEGO (CA) AREA? > the tigerman > > > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as sralsten at ca.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From mmichels at socal.rr.com Tue Oct 7 10:25:48 2008 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (mmichels at socal.rr.com) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 9:25:48 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] remote oil hoses Message-ID: <19721946.635581223396748621.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web19-z02> Does anyone know of a source for correct oil line hoses for a stock remote oil filter system? From RSSmithIQ at cs.com Tue Oct 7 10:31:43 2008 From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:31:43 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] remote oil hoses In-Reply-To: <19721946.635581223396748621.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web19-z02> References: <19721946.635581223396748621.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web19-z02> Message-ID: <48EB8EEF.8030507@cs.com> I just talked to Rick at Sunbeam Specialties last week. He has the name and number for two suppliers. One does modern replacement hoses. The other does new, original style, replacement hoses. He was happy to pass along the names. Call him at 408-371-1642. -Randy mmichels at socal.rr.com wrote: > Does anyone know of a source for correct oil line hoses for a stock remote oil filter system? > > -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ at cs.com Tiger- B382000189 From cmccann at lwpb.com Tue Oct 7 11:05:51 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:05:51 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] speaking of parts suppliers Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD684709064733880D21DD@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> hello all, Speaking of parts suppliers, I know this is a business matter, and may not be common knowledge, but operations like Sunbeam Specialties are dealers for Rootes reproduction parts right? Does he and folks like Vic British get NOS Rootes parts from England or ???? I guess my question is where does SS get their parts, from a wholesaler I suppose, or a factory...but is it made in England or China or some of both? Just curious, Thanks, Cullen From sabr2th at charter.net Fri Oct 3 23:29:51 2008 From: sabr2th at charter.net (Sabr2th) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:29:51 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Over-Drive Trans for Tiger Message-ID: I have been off list for quite some time. Have there been any new developments for putting an overdrive trans in the Tiger? Or is it still an expensive proposition? Thanks, Mark From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 11:38:07 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 18:38:07 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] installing rear axle bearings Message-ID: <39a841b0810041038u460c51a6m6ad4fc382c66c770@mail.gmail.com> a quick poll from people's experience ... is it worth attempting to drive the rear axle bearing onto the shaft with some tubing and a mallet? or would it be better to find someone with a floor standing shop press to do it for me? From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 4 15:44:25 2008 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 17:44:25 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] YELLOW FLAG AHP 295B REPRISE - risen from the dead Message-ID: <002501c9266a$5f605f30$6401a8c0@your03667082de> In case you haven't all ready heard. http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/coys-ascot/coys-ascot.htm ncm This is the car that Motor wrote about a few months back if I'm not mistaken. Its the car that won outright the 1965 International Police Rally. Motor reported the car was sold to Malcolm Sears who raced it successfully until he had a major crash at Oulton Park in 1971. Malcolm suffered severe injuries that he has never fully recovered from. The burned out hulk was hauled to a junk yard and presumably scrapped. I wonder what parts were salvaged, if any, to recreate the car? Jeff From rootes1 at earthlink.net Sat Oct 4 16:01:57 2008 From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:01:57 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] YELLOW FLAG AHP 295B REPRISE - risen from the dead In-Reply-To: <002501c9266a$5f605f30$6401a8c0@your03667082de> References: <002501c9266a$5f605f30$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: Jeff et al, No parts were "salvaged". Leonard Lloyd (the crook that funded the building of this fake) managed to con the log book away from a very diminished Malcolm Sears. The AHP 295B registration has been permanently retired by the English DVLA, but Lloyd's creation is not registered for street use. I guess you can spoof the public with any decal you'd care to put on a "race car". Regardless, Coys has pulled the car from its auction. When I last check it was still on their website, but I'm assured it will not see the light of day. ncm At 02:44 PM 10/4/2008, Jeffrey Nichols wrote: >...snip..I wonder what parts were salvaged, if any, to recreate the car? [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1708 - Release Date: 10/4/2008 11:35 AM From srwick at hotmail.com Sat Oct 4 16:08:49 2008 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 15:08:49 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] installing rear axle bearings In-Reply-To: <39a841b0810041038u460c51a6m6ad4fc382c66c770@mail.gmail.com> References: <39a841b0810041038u460c51a6m6ad4fc382c66c770@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'd use a press. It's to easy to damage parts when you're banging on them. Steve (in N. Idaho) ----- Original Message ----- From: Owain Lloyd To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 10:38 AM Subject: [Tigers] installing rear axle bearings a quick poll from people's experience ... is it worth attempting to drive the rear axle bearing onto the shaft with some tubing and a mallet? or would it be better to find someone with a floor standing shop press to do it for me? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as srwick at hotmail.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From mk1a67 at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 22:21:30 2008 From: mk1a67 at gmail.com (Cliff Alexander) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 21:21:30 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Horns Message-ID: <8abbe6e00810042121u6ded8d2eh5c124d8648f88fc@mail.gmail.com> Hello List-- Has anyone modified the wiring for the horns? My horns hardly work at all, very low and uneven volume. It seems to me that they are wired backwards. The positive (+) is at the horns constantly and when the horn button is pressed that completes the circuit to ground (-). I'm trying to figure out how to put a relay in the circuit so the horn button only has a low amperage load and the high amp load is from the relay to the horns. Any ideas welcome. Thanks Cliff From atwittsend at verizon.net Tue Oct 7 11:38:43 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:38:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] speaking of parts suppliers References: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD684709064733880D21DD@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: <04F70ADB48914F24BD85EB867C26E66C@student2> My understanding is that some parts come from the greater "Asian Area." It was stated that, 'either that or it would be cost prohibitive to remanufacture the part.' I'm thinking ball joints in particular here. As I recall there was a letter in the CAT shop notes stating that the ball joints (Alpine) - even as delivered to Rootes were never specified for the Tiger by the manufacturer (Q-H). So, to my knowledge, if you could even find NOS ball joints they are not spec-ed by the manufacture for a Tiger. Or, you can have an off shore reproduction. If it is any comfort I also recall some discussion that one seller rejected a few versions of the joints until they were satisfied with the quality. Most of this is 8 years recollection of list discussion so please chime in and correct any errors (brain is over half a century and rapidly deteriorating). Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1712 - Release Date: 10/7/2008 9:41 AM From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Tue Oct 7 15:44:56 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:44:56 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Parts Message-ID: <48EBD858.40703@SoCal.rr.com> Cullen, I can't speak for all of Rick's parts, but I do know he will only carry high quality parts, unlike some other marketers (VB) who go for the biggest margin. I do know, for certain, that he has parts made for him, or in conjunction with CAT for minimum quantity or volume cost considerations. For instance their combined special run with CAT for Koni adjustable shock absorbers for the Tiger/Alpine. While he did use English suppliers, previously, for many parts. They are now mostly made in the USA. Rick also has literature such as the Work Shop Manual he graciously contributed to TigersUnited.com And also has the original molds for the LAT aluminum valve covers for his source, and many other things made to order. Check him out at: http://www.rootes.com/ A happy customer. Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 7 16:24:33 2008 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Parts In-Reply-To: <48EBD858.40703@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <845371.83501.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I second the positive comments regarding Rick & Sunbeam Specialties. I have never once, in 20 years of dealing with Sunbeam Specialties, been unhappy with the quality and "value" of their offerings as a "full line" supplier. I also used to experience similar results with "Tiger Tom" in PA (who is no longer active in the Tiger/Alpine parts business). I'm about to start on my second Tiger restoration, and Sunbeam Specialties will be my first "go to" supplier for parts I need. Rick and his associates have always been very helpful and provided great customer service along with high quality parts. Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Steve Laifman wrote: From: Steve Laifman Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Parts To: "Tiger's Den" Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 5:44 PM Cullen, I can't speak for all of Rick's parts, but I do know he will only carry high quality parts, unlike some other marketers (VB) who go for the biggest margin. I do know, for certain, that he has parts made for him, or in conjunction with CAT for minimum quantity or volume cost considerations. For instance their combined special run with CAT for Koni adjustable shock absorbers for the Tiger/Alpine. While he did use English suppliers, previously, for many parts. They are now mostly made in the USA. Rick also has literature such as the Work Shop Manual he graciously contributed to TigersUnited.com And also has the original molds for the LAT aluminum valve covers for his source, and many other things made to order. Check him out at: http://www.rootes.com/ A happy customer. Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com You are subscribed as fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 16:29:10 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:29:10 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Dales midget rack kit Message-ID: Whats the going price for one of dales conversion kits? He does nto list the price on his site. -- Regards Michael King From cmccann at lwpb.com Tue Oct 7 16:43:01 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:43:01 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Parts In-Reply-To: <48EBD858.40703@SoCal.rr.com> References: <48EBD858.40703@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD684709064733880D230D@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Thanks Steve, I have bought a couple of things from Rick and been very pleased.... I want to make that clear, his stuff is NICE, no doubt about it .. I wouldnt compare Rick's stuff to VicBrit...I know the difference...I just noticed that there are only a few people selling sunbeam stuff in the u.s.....like it seems like you can count them on one hand, unlike other car retailers, like street rods and musclecars and cobra replica guys, where you have literally hundreds of places to shop for stuff....and I wanted to know what all my choices are, and make sure Im not missing one of Rick's competitors. Its just a business question really, like are there any sunbeam sources besides CAT, SS, and VB....and eBay... I know that Sunbeams arent as widely known as the cars i mentioned...but I thought I would ask. Plus i have family that have mechanic's shops and stuff and they can often buy at wholesale costs...directly from the distributor, not the retailer...so if that was available I would want to know. Thats basically the reason for my inquiry Cullen Cullen, I can't speak for all of Rick's parts, but I do know he will only carry high quality parts, unlike some other marketers (VB) who go for the biggest margin. I do know, for certain, that he has parts made for him, or in conjunction with CAT for minimum quantity or volume cost considerations. For instance their combined special run with CAT for Koni adjustable shock absorbers for the Tiger/Alpine. While he did use English suppliers, previously, for many parts. They are now mostly made in the USA. Rick also has literature such as the Work Shop Manual he graciously contributed to TigersUnited.com And also has the original molds for the LAT aluminum valve covers for his source, and many other things made to order. Check him out at: http://www.rootes.com/ A happy customer. Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com You are subscribed as cmccann at lwpb.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From sralsten at ca.rr.com Tue Oct 7 17:40:05 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:40:05 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Parts Message-ID: <254013.864021223422805285.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web06-z01> One more.... http://www.classicsunbeam.com/index.htm#menu I am just the new kid on the block but I'll say I have so far been very happy with Rick at Sunbeam Specialties. I just bought my first part from Classic Sunbeam Their online catalogue is better laid out but the phone support is not nearly as good as Rick or Richard at SS. I just hope everyone is earning a decent living and stays in business to support my Tiger habit. I'd sure hate to have only ebay, craigslist or local machinists to turn to. Steve R From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Tue Oct 7 19:43:12 2008 From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:43:12 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Parts Message-ID: Curt Meinel of Classic Sunbeam Auto Parts is another source. He is located in New York state. I have purchased parts from him and have always been satisfied with the parts as well as the service. _http://www.classicsunbeam.com/_ (http://www.classicsunbeam.com/) Fred Baum 9470768 **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From marcsmall at comcast.net Tue Oct 7 20:03:50 2008 From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:03:50 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Curt Meinel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081008020406.6D5EA187679@autox.team.net> At 09:43 PM 10/7/2008, FHSLOTH13 at aol.com wrote: >Curt Meinel of Classic Sunbeam Auto Parts is another source. He is located >in New York state. I have purchased parts from him and have always been >satisfied with the parts as well as the service. > >_http://www.classicsunbeam.com/_ (http://www.classicsunbeam.com/) Curt is located in Ossining, New York. For decades, we have suspected that he has had convicts cranking out his wares at the lash-point in Sing-Sing Prison. He has carefully not left a paper trail though those paper tags included with his products, all stating, "Help! I am a prisoner in a Sunbeam Tiger Parts Line!" ought to give us a clue. I believe that Curt is still a member of the List. Now, I probably ought to spill the beans on Tiger Tom Earhart and Jim D'Amelio but, well, my conscience bids me to hold my peace ... They are also among our number, I recal. Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From GRMTim at aol.com Tue Oct 7 20:23:05 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 22:23:05 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Another ten hours in the Tiger Message-ID: We made it through day two with our Tiger. Today we got to drive the car through some rain, a lot of rain and we survived. We had a couple of small leaks, but overall, things still went well. The biggest problem we had was the clutch slave cylinder started to go south. We refilled the cylinder and bled it and the leak seems to have stopped (at least for now). We went through southeast Kentucky and back to Bowling Green. Today's travels racked up another 250 miles and things are still going well. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From CMeinel464 at aol.com Tue Oct 7 21:13:31 2008 From: CMeinel464 at aol.com (CMeinel464 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 23:13:31 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Curt Meinel Message-ID: Marc, Thanks for the kind words. As most know I'm an original Alpine & Tiger owner and have been supplying Sunbeam parts for about 35 years . We moved upstate to the Oneonta area about five years ago and thus I can no longer take advantage of the Sing Sing Prision Alpine & Tiger parts production line. Rick from Sunbeam Specialties and I talk almost on a daily basis and have been supplying each other parts for many, many years. Since we both have extensive parts reproduction programs we think it is wise that we do not waste resources in producing the same items. This way more parts can be put back on the market. We both try our best to supply the highest quality items at fair prices. Our web site address is _http://www.classicsunbeam.com_ (http://www.classicsunbeam.com) Thanks again, Curt Classic Sunbeam Inc. 166 West Oneonta Road Otego, NY 13825 In a message dated 10/7/2008 10:04:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, marcsmall at comcast.net writes: At 09:43 PM 10/7/2008, FHSLOTH13 at aol.com wrote: >Curt Meinel of Classic Sunbeam Auto Parts is another source. He is located >in New York state. I have purchased parts from him and have always been >satisfied with the parts as well as the service. > >_http://www.classicsunbeam.com/_ (http://www.classicsunbeam.com/) Curt is located in Ossining, New York. For decades, we have suspected that he has had convicts cranking out his wares at the lash-point in Sing-Sing Prison. He has carefully not left a paper trail though those paper tags included with his products, all stating, "Help! I am a prisoner in a Sunbeam Tiger Parts Line!" ought to give us a clue. I believe that Curt is still a member of the List. Now, I probably ought to spill the beans on Tiger Tom Earhart and Jim D'Amelio but, well, my conscience bids me to hold my peace ... They are also among our number, I recal. Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! You are subscribed as cmeinel464 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From tym2 at comcast.net Wed Oct 8 07:11:23 2008 From: tym2 at comcast.net (tym2 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 13:11:23 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Parts/People Message-ID: <100820081311.6597.48ECB17A000F2A4C000019C52214756402CD03979B@comcast.net> When I bought my Tiger, I brought it home on a flatbed truck - in pieces - and lots of boxes! My wife said, "I can't believe you paid $7,000 for that." The 7K included a Triumph Bonneville motorcycle, which I sold for $2,000 - that I promptly fed to the Tiger - along with several more thousands of dollars. And, it was very much worth every penny. My kids called it the "Save the Tiger Project." Anyway, throughout a total rebuild Rick, Curt, and Tiger Tom and Joanne Erhardt provided parts and advice that were invaluable. The parts were always of the highest quality - as was the advice and technical support. Also, the people on the Tiger List proved to be a great resource as well. I needed a part that I could not find to buy. A guy on the list sent me the part. The note inside said "Happy Birthday" (it wasn't my birthday). I called him to thank him and to pay him. He said, "Buy me a beer the next time you see me." We both knew that we would probably never meet. I've had several cars over the years - muscle cars, Corvettes, hot rods, motorcycles, etc. I have never met a nicer group than those who share interest in the Tiger. Tiger people are the best! Tym McDowell From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 07:25:04 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:25:04 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Parts/People In-Reply-To: <100820081311.6597.48ECB17A000F2A4C000019C52214756402CD03979B@comcast.net> References: <100820081311.6597.48ECB17A000F2A4C000019C52214756402CD03979B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <39a841b0810080625h13aba1b3j4f1e3c2ef147e565@mail.gmail.com> here here. all listers should bask in their own self glory. this is indeed the most active and accommodating group of car owners that i've come across. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:11 PM, wrote: > When I bought my Tiger, I brought it home on a flatbed truck - in pieces - and lots of boxes! > My wife said, "I can't believe you paid $7,000 for that." The 7K included a Triumph Bonneville motorcycle, which I sold for $2,000 - that I promptly fed to the Tiger - along with several more thousands of dollars. And, it was very much worth every penny. My kids called it the "Save the Tiger Project." > > Anyway, throughout a total rebuild Rick, Curt, and Tiger Tom and Joanne Erhardt provided parts and advice that were invaluable. The parts were always of the highest quality - as was the advice and technical support. > > Also, the people on the Tiger List proved to be a great resource as well. I needed a part that I could not find to buy. A guy on the list sent me the part. The note inside said "Happy Birthday" (it wasn't my birthday). I called him to thank him and to pay him. He said, "Buy me a beer the next time you see me." We both knew that we would probably never meet. > > I've had several cars over the years - muscle cars, Corvettes, hot rods, motorcycles, etc. I have never met a nicer group than those who share interest in the Tiger. Tiger people are the best! > > Tym McDowell > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From spmdr at juno.com Wed Oct 8 08:24:16 2008 From: spmdr at juno.com (Dan Walters) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 07:24:16 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Parts supply, reality check Message-ID: <20081008.072419.-2053705.0.spmdr@juno.com> I just want to throw a dose of reality into the parts availability thread. I have received some (a SMALL % ) less than bitch'n parts from Sunbeam Specialties. ...and some Bitch'n parts from Victoria British. The point is: For the most part, YOU are the QC on ANY part you get! YOU have to check it out and MAKE SURE it is right! ...AND just because it is NEW does NOT mean it is automatically GOOD. AND the REAL test is how you are treated by a Business when the part is bad, for whatever reason. Also, I want to point out THINGS CHANGE! Small run production can be (is) hell on QC! I yield the floor... DW (...as he steps down from the parts box...) ____________________________________________________________ Click to get 150,000 in student loans and find the lowest rates http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m1pFMQV989xtPQtEyc76eG4ZAKj8Ss57N18NPjbRqLicCci/ From zymmer4 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 8 09:06:56 2008 From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (H Gentry) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:06:56 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Tigers] H sent you a friend request on Tagged :) Message-ID: <20081008150656.3819718786D@autox.team.net> If you can't see this email please click here [imgsrv.php?uid=5405671433&ect=lhlgy7l] H Gentry H Gentry has added you as a friend Is H your friend? [btn-Yes-large.gif]-[btn-Yes-large.gif] [btn-No-large.gif]-[btn-No-large.gif] Click Yes if H is your friend, otherwise click No. But you have to click! Please respond or H may think you said no :( Click here to block all emails from Tagged Inc., 110 Pacific Mall Box #117, San Francisco, CA. 94111 [pixel.php?ect=lhlgy7l&fid=b3da986386bbce89&tId=140031] From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Oct 8 09:29:09 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:29:09 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Parts supply, reality check In-Reply-To: <20081008.072419.-2053705.0.spmdr@juno.com> Message-ID: <0AB28C08F5114FAEA9391891285F3916@ronpc1> I responded to this thread earlier but apparently I was too long in the word; so now for the shorter version. You have to agree with Dan's word: "The point is: For the most part, YOU are the QC on ANY part you get!" Basically when you buy a part; you're getting a part the falls into one of these categories; NOS, new remanufactured, substitute new part or used. NOS are getting very scarce and pricy; some NOS parts need to be used as a tooling master or at least an example of the original part. New Remanufactured parts are just that; Rick and Curt are doing their best to keep parts available. England has been stepping up its production of these parts due to increased demand but profit margin will drive which parts become available. Substitute parts are functionally equivalent parts but may not look the same as the original part; the point here is that they are available and probably mass produced for other applications. I gave Tiger Tom a rubber molding that was similar to the under the bonnet part with the vendor information and he quickly entered it into his catalog. SS lists that part as ET70; it maybe the same vendor or not but the part is available. I also helped Tom with a couple other parts; I brought some SS caliper pistons to SUNI I, but Tom did not warm up to them until the stock piston supply started to dry up. Used parts are used and maybe coming off a decommissioned Rootes product. The origins of today's Sunbeam parts can be many including individuals making a commitment to just make a part because they have the expertise to do so. This is one reason why it is so important to record, document and communicate any new part, it's part number and vendor, you happen to find that will help us all keep our Sunbeams on the road. Thanks and much gratitude to all the Sunbeam parts vendors, Rick, Tiger Tom, Curt, Tom Hall, CAT Parts and many other who have worked long hard hours to sustain our enjoyment of these British cars. Ron Fraser From jkfqualbldg at cox.net Wed Oct 8 11:23:21 2008 From: jkfqualbldg at cox.net (Jeff Francis) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:23:21 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] chrome (stainless) hardtop "gutters" Message-ID: <001601c9296a$90281d30$6401a8c0@quality4a2h1xa> Greetings, Does any one have a line on the s.s. gutters on the hard top?? My body/paint guy just ruined mine. Thanks, Jeff Francis - MK II Tiger - VA Beach From todbrown at roadrunner.com Wed Oct 8 12:28:30 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:28:30 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Parts Message-ID: <48ECFBCE.1030702@roadrunner.com> I would second the comments by Steve and Tym McDowell. I have found Rick and Curt great to deal with and have always been satisfied with their products and services. Their companies depend on providing us with what we need and we should return the favor by supporting them by purchasing parts from them. Imagine what life would be like for us without the dedicated suppliers we have around. Since I have owned my Tiger since birth (its, not mine) I can recollect a time when it was difficult to get parts for my car. However, Rick and Curt and a few others have stepped in and have gotten us to the point where it is much easier to get what we need for our cars than in the past. There are things I wish I could get, but they are few and far between, and are usually not things that are essential. We should recognize that Tigers and Alpines are a limited market and should be grateful that there are those who love the cars as much as we do and are willing to help us to maintain our addiction. Tod B382002384LRXFE From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Wed Oct 8 12:36:28 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:36:28 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Parts Message-ID: Need a booster rebuilt. Any recomendations? In a message dated 10/8/2008 11:29:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, todbrown at roadrunner.com writes: I would second the comments by Steve and Tym McDowell. I have found Rick and Curt great to deal with and have always been satisfied with their products and services. Their companies depend on providing us with what we need and we should return the favor by supporting them by purchasing parts from them. Imagine what life would be like for us without the dedicated suppliers we have around. Since I have owned my Tiger since birth (its, not mine) I can recollect a time when it was difficult to get parts for my car. However, Rick and Curt and a few others have stepped in and have gotten us to the point where it is much easier to get what we need for our cars than in the past. There are things I wish I could get, but they are few and far between, and are usually not things that are essential. We should recognize that Tigers and Alpines are a limited market and should be grateful that there are those who love the cars as much as we do and are willing to help us to maintain our addiction. Tod B382002384LRXFE You are subscribed as aaaglasss at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Oct 8 13:22:28 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:22:28 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Parts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bill Martin Bill Martin [tigerfixer at yahoo.com] http://www.rootesgroupdepot.com/service.shtml See booster service section. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of AAAGLASSS at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:36 PM To: todbrown at roadrunner.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Parts Need a booster rebuilt. Any recomendations? I From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Wed Oct 8 15:44:02 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:44:02 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] H sent you a friend request on Tagged :) In-Reply-To: <20081008150656.3819718786D@autox.team.net> References: <20081008150656.3819718786D@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <48ED29A2.403@SoCal.rr.com> Dear "H" (you didn't put your first name in the e-mail), You have forwarded an HTML encoded message that the LIST strips of all content (to protect us, as well as reduce the file sizes.) An examination of the code looks like a scam for a pitch, or virus. Make it a point, in all suspicious, unsolicited, e-mails NOT to click on "Hot Links". They could hide yet another destiniation. Here is an example, though not harmful, of how this can work: "*Los-Angeles-Times *" It will be shown, on the LIST, with the real address, rather than the representation. Luck, Steve __ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com H Gentry wrote: > If you can't see this email please click here > > [imgsrv.php?uid=5405671433&ect=lhlgy7l] > H Gentry > H Gentry has added you as a friend > Is H your friend? > [btn-Yes-large.gif]-[btn-Yes-large.gif] > [btn-No-large.gif]-[btn-No-large.gif] > Click Yes if H is your friend, otherwise click No. > But you have to click! > Please respond or H may think you said no :( > Click here to block all emails from Tagged Inc., 110 Pacific Mall Box > #117, San Francisco, CA. 94111 > > [pixel.php?ect=lhlgy7l&fid=b3da986386bbce89&tId=140031] From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Wed Oct 8 16:56:50 2008 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:56:50 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] chrome (stainless) hardtop "gutters" In-Reply-To: <001601c9296a$90281d30$6401a8c0@quality4a2h1xa> References: <001601c9296a$90281d30$6401a8c0@quality4a2h1xa> Message-ID: Jeff, The best thing to do is to kill your "body/paint" guy. Just kidding, of course. When I painted mine I managed to put about 100 dents on each one of them when removing them (don't even ask). Many many hours later I was able to get the dents out with the help of articles on how to remove dents and polish SS. I don't know how bad they "ruined" yours, but be sure not to discard them as I'm sure there is someone out there that can help you. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Francis" To: "tiger email list" Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 12:23 PM Subject: [Tigers] chrome (stainless) hardtop "gutters" > Greetings, Does any one have a line on the s.s. gutters on the hard top?? > My > body/paint guy just ruined mine. Thanks, Jeff Francis - MK II Tiger - VA > Beach > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From achd73 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 8 18:47:37 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] chrome (stainless) hardtop "gutters" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <100280.41118.qm@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Having never attempted removing the ss gutters from a hardtop, is there a secret or "best method" those with experience know about and would pass on to the rest of the list? I always want to learn as much as possible about this addiction, as I plan on having it until I die or they handcuff me to a place I cant get to the Tiger. Im sure I dont have to worry about the latter BUT just in case. Thanks, TtT From jkfqualbldg at cox.net Wed Oct 8 19:34:49 2008 From: jkfqualbldg at cox.net (Jeff Francis) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:34:49 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] chrome (stainless) hardtop "gutters" References: <001601c9296a$90281d30$6401a8c0@quality4a2h1xa> Message-ID: <002e01c929af$386aaaa0$6401a8c0@quality4a2h1xa> Thanks for the replies. Regarding the attempt at "restoring" the ones he ruined, it just won't happen. He completely mangled them. That profile is very similar to a '66 Mustang and other similar 60's cars. I'm sure there is a factory out there somewhere that spits that stuff out by the mile.....I just can't find one on the internet. I am going to the Potomac MD event this weekend and see if someone will have them there....Who else is going to be there?? Jeff Francis - MK II Tiger - VA Beach. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Francis" To: "tiger email list" Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 1:23 PM Subject: [Tigers] chrome (stainless) hardtop "gutters" > Greetings, Does any one have a line on the s.s. gutters on the hard top?? My > body/paint guy just ruined mine. Thanks, Jeff Francis - MK II Tiger - VA > Beach > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jkfqualbldg at cox.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1713 - Release Date: 10/7/2008 6:40 PM From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Wed Oct 8 19:49:14 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:49:14 EDT Subject: [Tigers] chrome (stainless) hardtop "gutters" Message-ID: Seems to me that the cars of that era that had moldings of this type were removed with a beer bottle church key. The Key was protected with tape and gently removed the molding by prying up from the lower side and releasing them from the top. This is a challenge for the most accomplished body man as they will get in a hurry and pretzelize them. HTH In a message dated 10/8/2008 6:33:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jkfqualbldg at cox.net writes: Thanks for the replies. Regarding the attempt at "restoring" the ones he ruined, it just won't happen. He completely mangled them. That profile is very similar to a '66 Mustang and other similar 60's cars. I'm sure there is a factory out there somewhere that spits that stuff out by the mile.....I just can't find one on the internet. I am going to the Potomac MD event this weekend and see if someone will have them there....Who else is going to be there?? Jeff Francis - MK II Tiger - VA Beach. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Francis" To: "tiger email list" Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 1:23 PM Subject: [Tigers] chrome (stainless) hardtop "gutters" > Greetings, Does any one have a line on the s.s. gutters on the hard top?? My > body/paint guy just ruined mine. Thanks, Jeff Francis - MK II Tiger - VA > Beach > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jkfqualbldg at cox.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1713 - Release Date: 10/7/2008 6:40 PM You are subscribed as aaaglasss at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000001) From garywinblad at comcast.net Wed Oct 8 20:10:59 2008 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 02:10:59 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] ebay Tiger Message-ID: <100920080210.29417.48ED68330000CA11000072E922165279660B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net> There is a new Tiger on ebay.. Looks to be B382000986LRXFE.. in Fresno,CA. Kinda ratty but... original rivets(?).. Not known in BON, all info withheld.. Color code is 98 which I have never heard of an can't find listed anywhere!! Gary From achd73 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 8 23:37:23 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 22:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] ebay Tiger In-Reply-To: <100920080210.29417.48ED68330000CA11000072E922165279660B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net> Message-ID: <56551.67292.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have no listing for that number in old paint code postings and I agree the rivets appear original. What is even more of an oddity is that the other Ca. Tiger is B382000985 and the one with the strange paint code is B382000986. Two Tigers on ebay with consecutive VIN numbers. I bet that doesn't happen often. TtT From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 9 00:25:27 2008 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 23:25:27 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] ebay Tiger In-Reply-To: <100920080210.29417.48ED68330000CA11000072E922165279660B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6E9776D780C44DBCA5D06ACC1F67E6B7@ROSS> Gary, I believe the color code is 92 which is Arctic White. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse Subject: [Tigers] ebay Tiger There is a new Tiger on ebay.. Looks to be B382000986LRXFE.. in Fresno,CA. Kinda ratty but... original rivets(?).. Not known in BON, all info withheld.. Color code is 98 which I have never heard of an can't find listed anywhere!! Gary .net/archive From Cushcom1 at aol.com Sat Oct 11 09:17:34 2008 From: Cushcom1 at aol.com (Cushcom1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:17:34 EDT Subject: [Tigers] PARTS QUEST Message-ID: I am on a parts quest to complete my newly acquired Mk1A. I need the following: Correct washer bottle, holding pocket and bracket assembly Upper radiator "wire" clamps Correct windshield wiper blades Correct rivets (just kidding) Engine compartment seal Any tips on locating the above would be helpful. Thanks from the tigerman **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From Cushcom1 at aol.com Sat Oct 11 09:23:42 2008 From: Cushcom1 at aol.com (Cushcom1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:23:42 EDT Subject: [Tigers] TAC QUESTION Message-ID: Listers, my just purchased Tiger Mk1A (B382000441LRXFE) had been tac'd at some point and was so registered. When it underwent a full restoration in 1997-98, the TAC sticker was removed. What do I do to secure a new sticker for the car? I live in San Diego, out the area for the California-based inspection team. Help needed by the tigerman **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From drmayf at mayfco.com Sat Oct 11 10:28:39 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:28:39 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] What the heck? Message-ID: <48F0D437.309@mayfco.com> I just sent, yesterday, a note to the list about ZDDP oil additive now being available from Eastwood and it bounced saying I was not a list member. If this one bounces, I guess I am not.. mayf From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Sat Oct 11 10:47:52 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:47:52 EDT Subject: [Tigers] What the heck? Message-ID: Same here on another post. ????? In a message dated 10/11/2008 9:29:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, drmayf at mayfco.com writes: I just sent, yesterday, a note to the list about ZDDP oil additive now being available from Eastwood and it bounced saying I was not a list member. If this one bounces, I guess I am not.. mayf Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sat Oct 11 11:52:10 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:52:10 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] What the heck? In-Reply-To: <48F0D437.309@mayfco.com> References: <48F0D437.309@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <48F0E7CA.1050404@SoCal.rr.com> Mayf and Lee, "join the club". I got two rejected, maybe more. Something is wrong here. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com drmayf wrote: > I just sent, yesterday, a note to the list about ZDDP oil additive > now being available from Eastwood and it bounced saying I was not a > list member. If this one bounces, I guess I am not.. > > mayf > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From CoolVT at aol.com Sat Oct 11 11:57:46 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:57:46 EDT Subject: [Tigers] What the heck? Message-ID: Welcome new member Mayf :-) **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sat Oct 11 11:58:34 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:58:34 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] ebay Tiger In-Reply-To: <100920080210.29417.48ED68330000CA11000072E922165279660B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4664AA96D7524B28B9B9F0A792EB437A@ronpc1> Now that the list seems to be back up. Gary The listing I have for color code 98 is Riverside Red, no other information available. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of garywinblad at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 10:11 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] ebay Tiger There is a new Tiger on ebay.. Looks to be B382000986LRXFE.. in Fresno,CA. Kinda ratty but... original rivets(?).. Not known in BON, all info withheld.. Color code is 98 which I have never heard of an can't find listed anywhere!! Gary You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1714 - Release Date: 10/8/2008 7:01 AM From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sat Oct 11 12:12:37 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:12:37 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] PARTS QUEST In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4D6DB2D35BC448F6979524F46A26AEAA@ronpc1> Tigerman SS list the washer bottle part # WW59, I believe these are brand new bottles Rick got made, bracket and pocket you will probably need to find used. Ask Rick at SS and try Moss Motors and Classic Sunbeam about them. SS - Engine compartment seal is part # ET70 SS - Wiper blades # WW51 Most Classic Mustang stores have wire clamps usually in a sets; NPD lists the wire clamps individually you just need to specify the size. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cushcom1 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 11:18 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] PARTS QUEST I am on a parts quest to complete my newly acquired Mk1A. I need the following: Correct washer bottle, holding pocket and bracket assembly Upper radiator "wire" clamps Correct windshield wiper blades Correct rivets (just kidding) Engine compartment seal Any tips on locating the above would be helpful. Thanks from the tigerman **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1719 - Release Date: 10/10/2008 4:08 PM From tym2 at comcast.net Sat Oct 11 12:40:44 2008 From: tym2 at comcast.net (tym2 at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:40:44 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Mobil1 Message-ID: <101120081840.6019.48F0F32B000C1E91000017832216549976CD03979B@comcast.net> Tigers, I just bought a new car. The oil filler cap says, "Mobil1 5W-30". If this stuff is so good, I was wondering if I should switch and use Mobil1 in the Tiger. I change the oil at least yearly (less than 2,000 miles) now. I'm wondering if the synthetic is that much better. It certainly costs more! If I switch is there a "flush" process, or do I just drain the present oil and refill with Mobil1? As always, your thoughts/experiences are appreciated. Tym McDowell From shutchin at netjets.com Sat Oct 11 12:52:50 2008 From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:52:50 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Mobil1 Message-ID: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D4030D5056@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com> I use Royal Purple in the Tiger. Probably a waste of money, but why not. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 * ******** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. From arado7 at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 11 12:59:56 2008 From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:59:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Mobil1 References: <101120081840.6019.48F0F32B000C1E91000017832216549976CD03979B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <166EECBCB6DE482C89792F1CC0B19E28@GMI> I use Mobil 1 in all my engines, including lawn tractors. BMW specifies 1200 miles or annually, Daimler specifies Mobil 1 0-40...Dinosaur oil is, IMO, obsolete.. Gary B9472283 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Tiger's List" Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:40 PM Subject: [Tigers] Mobil1 > Tigers, > > I just bought a new car. The oil filler cap says, "Mobil1 5W-30". > If this stuff is so good, I was wondering if I should switch and use > Mobil1 in > the Tiger. > I change the oil at least yearly (less than 2,000 miles) now. > I'm wondering if the synthetic is that much better. It certainly costs > more! > If I switch is there a "flush" process, or do I just drain the present oil > and > refill with Mobil1? > > As always, your thoughts/experiences are appreciated. > > Tym McDowell > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From bobbridgeford at msn.com Sat Oct 11 13:00:40 2008 From: bobbridgeford at msn.com (Robert Bridgeford) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:00:40 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Mobil1 In-Reply-To: <101120081840.6019.48F0F32B000C1E91000017832216549976CD03979B@comcast.net> References: <101120081840.6019.48F0F32B000C1E91000017832216549976CD03979B@comcast.net> Message-ID: Mobil 1 is not recommended in older engines because it lacks "cushioning agents" not needed in newer design engines. It can cause accelerated cam wear (like flat lobes in 5000 miles) . Any good conventional oil is a better choice. Havoline and Valvoline and conventional Royal purple all work great. Bob Bridgeford541 549 9539Sisters OR 97759 ---------------------------------------- > From: tym2 at comcast.net > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:40:44 +0000 > Subject: [Tigers] Mobil1 > > Tigers, > > I just bought a new car. The oil filler cap says, "Mobil1 5W-30". > If this stuff is so good, I was wondering if I should switch and use Mobil1 in > the Tiger. > I change the oil at least yearly (less than 2,000 miles) now. > I'm wondering if the synthetic is that much better. It certainly costs more! > If I switch is there a "flush" process, or do I just drain the present oil and > refill with Mobil1? > > As always, your thoughts/experiences are appreciated. > > Tym McDowell > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From sralsten at ca.rr.com Sat Oct 11 15:03:06 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:03:06 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] TAC QUESTION References: Message-ID: <002e01c92be4$c2b269a0$6401a8c0@DELL4600> I'm not qualified to comment on issuance of a new sticker or certificate based upon a prior exam but someone else may. I just respond to let you know there is a TAC event on Nov 1st in Anaheim if you want to bring your car up. Info can be found on the CAT website. I will get my car examined for the first time then. Steve R 9473720 LROFE ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 7:23 AM Subject: [Tigers] TAC QUESTION > Listers, my just purchased Tiger Mk1A (B382000441LRXFE) had been tac'd at > some point and was so registered. When it underwent a full restoration in > 1997-98, the TAC sticker was removed. What do I do to secure a new sticker > for the > car? I live in San Diego, out the area for the California-based inspection > team. > > Help needed by the tigerman > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your > destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From arado7 at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 11 16:14:30 2008 From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:14:30 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Mobil1 References: <101120081840.6019.48F0F32B000C1E91000017832216549976CD03979B@comcast.net> Message-ID: Mobil 1 has had it's zinc compounds reduced under law for catalytic converter protection. However, so has every other oil..The only way out is additives or perhaps Diesel oils. Full synthetic still outperforms conventional... Gary B9472283 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mobil1 > Mobil 1 is not recommended in older engines because it lacks "cushioning > agents" not needed in newer design engines. It can cause accelerated cam > wear > (like flat lobes in 5000 miles) . Any good conventional oil is a better > choice. Havoline and Valvoline and conventional Royal purple all work > great. > > > Bob Bridgeford541 549 9539Sisters OR 97759 From sganz at pacbell.net Sat Oct 11 16:37:36 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Mobil1 Message-ID: <519145.41715.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> While Mobil 1 and other synth oils are great, the are not so good for older cars. It is mainly that they are too slick to rotate the lifters and they end up with flat cam lobes. Some people have been runing it for years, but enough people have had problems to make me thing otherwise. The oil essentially works too good. This is true for cars with flat tappets not rollers. Also much of the new EPA oil has reduced additive package (zinc, etc) which is not good for our engines they like the zinc and other metals. Racing oils often have much more of it and you will see some oils already have 'not for street use' warning. I have been running diesel truck oil in my cars for a long time with no problems (none with regular oil either). In the the race car I use Racing 41 from Royal Purple or Synthetic Delvac 1 from Mobil. Do some web searching you will find out a lot about what make oil good as well as the raging war of Synthetic vs. Non. I do know you can run a motor on Royal Purple 41 without oil pressure for about 30 Seconds flat out before the engine seiezes up... Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "tym2 at comcast.net" To: Tiger's List Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 11:40:44 AM Subject: [Tigers] Mobil1 Tigers, I just bought a new car. The oil filler cap says, "Mobil1 5W-30". If this stuff is so good, I was wondering if I should switch and use Mobil1 in the Tiger. I change the oil at least yearly (less than 2,000 miles) now. I'm wondering if the synthetic is that much better. It certainly costs more! If I switch is there a "flush" process, or do I just drain the present oil and refill with Mobil1? As always, your thoughts/experiences are appreciated. Tym McDowell _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From atwittsend at verizon.net Sat Oct 11 17:08:05 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:08:05 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Correct Maverick Fan? Message-ID: I'm resending this due to the resent list mail issues. Well..., after nearly 8 years of "Pick A Parting" I think I got myself the desired Maverick fan. However, there are some identification issues I have yet to resolve. This fan: 1. Came out of a 1970 Maverick, 6 cylinder with factory air. 2. It is 15" across, steel hub with six aluminum blades. 3. The blade pattern is such that 4 blades (opposed) are closer together. Two blades (opposed) have a greater spacing. 4. The blades are 5-1/8" wide (in to out) and 4-1/8" along the curve. 5. The hub has a 5/8" center hole (no problem, I have a 5/8" water pump). 6. The blades "reach" out beyond the hub (forward) 11/16." 7. The blades all carry the following number CF-C9DE-A. 8. The fan has the word "Front" stamped on the hub. What I am NOT finding are: A. The words "Made In Canada." B. A C9DZ-8600-A number stamped anywhere on the fan. So, while it seems like this fan measures out to being "THE" Maverick fan (size, configuration, blade I.D. number) there are a few identifiers that I'd like to clear up before proclaiming it so. Thanks, for any input, Tom Witt [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1719 - Release Date: 10/10/2008 4:08 PM From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sat Oct 11 17:37:38 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:37:38 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Correct Maverick Fan? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48F138C2.3010903@SoCal.rr.com> Tom, The "Canadian Fan" is: "/I found an Early Ford 6 blade fan (C4DE-8600-A), brand new in original box at the local Ford Agency - and got a 25% "Mustang Club" discount!.With the modification to a 1" center hole and end mill trimmed blades (about 1/2 inch) on a vertical milling machine, it fits fine. Watch that you still have those original motor washer-spacers between the block and the motor mounts to raise the engine to it's original height, and center the fan in the shroud. Make sure you leave them there, or your rack will "re-form" the fan to fit! (with sound effects you will not enjoy (BTDT)/" from TigersUnited.com "Cool It, Buddy" article on the bottom nav-bar on every page, "Tech Tips & HOW-TOs" http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp Six aluminum blades, made in Canada. The hub fits the fan. These may be hard to find. Referenced in TBON. Another old LIST "fan discussions" is found on: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-coolsys9.asp , and the entire thread is a good reference for comments by a great number of LIST "Old-Timers", many of whom are active, or "lurking" at: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-coolsys1.asp (Use the Search Magnifying Glass option at the top of every page to find a whole lot of Tiger stuff on the site) Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Thomas Witt wrote: > I'm resending this due to the resent list mail issues. > > Well..., after nearly 8 years of "Pick A Parting" I think I got myself the > desired Maverick fan. However, there are some identification issues I have > yet to resolve. This fan: > > 1. Came out of a 1970 Maverick, 6 cylinder with factory air. > > 2. It is 15" across, steel hub with six aluminum blades. > > 3. The blade pattern is such that 4 blades (opposed) are closer together. Two > blades (opposed) have a greater spacing. > > 4. The blades are 5-1/8" wide (in to out) and 4-1/8" along the curve. > > 5. The hub has a 5/8" center hole (no problem, I have a 5/8" water pump). > > 6. The blades "reach" out beyond the hub (forward) 11/16." > > 7. The blades all carry the following number CF-C9DE-A. > > 8. The fan has the word "Front" stamped on the hub. > > What I am NOT finding are: > > A. The words "Made In Canada." > > B. A C9DZ-8600-A number stamped anywhere on the fan. > > So, while it seems like this fan measures out to being "THE" Maverick fan > (size, configuration, blade I.D. number) there are a few identifiers that I'd > like to clear up before proclaiming it so. > > Thanks, for any input, Tom Witt From atwittsend at verizon.net Sat Oct 11 18:57:58 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:57:58 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Correct Maverick Fan? References: <48F138C2.3010903@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <80FB725419AE416CB50EFD1A81683DA5@student2> Thanks Steve, I actually used the links listed by you prior to asking the question. They were very helpful, but with my fan missing a "Made in Canada" and a C9DZ-8600-A part number I'm still left to wonder. I'm beginning to wonder if the "replacement" number of the fan (C9DZ-8600-A) is somewhat different from the "as installed" when the car was built. As I said, there is NO part number other than the CF C9DE-A number on all six of the blades. But, other than that, the application (1970, 6 cylinder Maverick with A/C) and the dimensions all seem to equate to this being "THE" Maverick fan. Frankly, I think it is "THE" fan, but I'm looking for more than my opinion. Maybe there is a Tiger owner out there who got one off a Maverick rather than buying it through Ford? Thanks, Tom Tom, The "Canadian Fan" is: "I found an Early Ford 6 blade fan (C4DE-8600-A), brand new in original box at the local Ford Agency - and got a 25% "Mustang Club" discount!.With the modification to a 1" center hole and end mill trimmed blades (about 1/2 inch) on a vertical milling machine, it fits fine. Watch that you still have those original motor washer-spacers between the block and the motor mounts to raise the engine to it's original height, and center the fan in the shroud. Make sure you leave them there, or your rack will "re-form" the fan to fit! (with sound effects you will not enjoy (BTDT)" from TigersUnited.com "Cool It, Buddy" article on the bottom nav-bar on every page, "Tech Tips & HOW-TOs" http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanVal ance1.asp Six aluminum blades, made in Canada. The hub fits the fan. These may be hard to find. Referenced in TBON. Another old LIST "fan discussions" is found on: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-coolsys9.asp , and the entire thread is a good reference for comments by a great number of LIST "Old-Timers", many of whom are active, or "lurking" at: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-coolsys1.asp (Use the Search Magnifying Glass option at the top of every page to find a whole lot of Tiger stuff on the site) Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1719 - Release Date: 10/10/2008 4:08 PM From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 11 19:51:16 2008 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Blue Tiger in Northville, MI Message-ID: <817529.14661.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There was a blue Tiger parked at the Mobil gas station on 8Mile and Taft today. The car had Pennsylvania license plates. I assume it was recently bought and was wondering if the owner is on this list. Jeff From drmayf at mayfco.com Sat Oct 11 19:53:11 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:53:11 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] What the heck? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48F15887.3050705@mayfco.com> Which brings up a question.. who has been on the tiger list the longest? I been around a long while others probably longer.. mayf CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > *Welcome new member Mayf :-)* > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > New *MapQuest Local* shows what's happening at your destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out! > From atwittsend at verizon.net Sat Oct 11 23:09:41 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 22:09:41 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Correct Maverick Fan? - Thanks References: Message-ID: <69E4EC06EDE440129C0B4E7155D32454@student2> Thanks everyone for informing me with the good news about the fan. Dare I mention I paid all of $5.50 for it? Naw, I better not say that. :-) Now..., what to do with my three, spare, almost as rare Volvo fans??? Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1719 - Release Date: 10/10/2008 4:08 PM From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 12 07:07:13 2008 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 06:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Correct Maverick Fan? - Thanks In-Reply-To: <69E4EC06EDE440129C0B4E7155D32454@student2> Message-ID: <869074.76737.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Offer them to the list for $5.50 each. Bill --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Thomas Witt wrote: From: Thomas Witt Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct Maverick Fan? - Thanks To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 1:09 AM Thanks everyone for informing me with the good news about the fan. Dare I mention I paid all of $5.50 for it? Naw, I better not say that. :-) Now..., what to do with my three, spare, almost as rare Volvo fans??? Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1719 - Release Date: 10/10/2008 4:08 PM Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sun Oct 12 10:30:32 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:30:32 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Correct Maverick Fan? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tom Great find. I just want to emphasize that everyone should look at any fan for possible use. Many years ago I was given a 15", 6 blade fan from a full size Ford so I was told. The markings on this fan are; Made in Canada, FoMoCo and G-65, the blades are steel and it has a 1" center hole. It appears to be totally stock in that I see no machine marks and the black paint looks original and untouched; G-65 I believe is a date code, July 1965. I wish I had more information to pass on about this fan and its origin. I have yet to find another like it. The reference books I have do not indicate anything about this fan but it is stated that Ford switched to aluminum fan blades in 1965 to decrease the stress on the water pump bearing. Ron Fraser From sganz at pacbell.net Sun Oct 12 12:28:16 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:28:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Driveline Page Started Message-ID: <253968.762.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just started working on the info for my Tigers Driveline. Just put up some info and pics of the Tilton Relese Bearing so far. Sandy From sganz at pacbell.net Sun Oct 12 12:28:54 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Forgot the link...again Message-ID: <522073.72515.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here it is http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/TigerTransmission.html Sandy From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sun Oct 12 12:38:05 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:38:05 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] What the heck? In-Reply-To: <48F15887.3050705@mayfco.com> References: <48F15887.3050705@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <48F2440D.3030104@SoCal.rr.com> Mayf, My records go back to Dec. 12, 2001 in my latest e-mail browser that I saved. And all the usual suspects still active are: Bob Palmer, Chris Mottram, C.J. Richards, Carl Meine, Mark L. (CoolTV), Jeff Cushing, Dave Johnson, Mayf, Jim Barrett, Jim Boynton, Larry Paulick, Mike Wood, Paul Sheahan, Sean Ford (Mooney), ME (Steve), David Sosna, Tom Hall, Tom Witt, Al Johnson. Going back to 1998, there are over 300 PAGES of collected e-mails, over a three year period, arranged by Subject from the Tiger List. Sort through them for these for the "usual suspects": * http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-coolsys29.asp* Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com drmayf wrote: > Which brings up a question.. who has been on the tiger list the > longest? I been around a long while others probably longer.. > > mayf From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sun Oct 12 12:54:29 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:54:29 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] What the heck? In-Reply-To: <48F2440D.3030104@SoCal.rr.com> References: <48F15887.3050705@mayfco.com> <48F2440D.3030104@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <48F247E5.4010203@SoCal.rr.com> Hmmm! The list seems, sometimes) to add asterisks (*) on hot links. This seems to confuse the location. The actual location is without the asterisk(s). i.e., http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-coolsys29.asp Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Laifman wrote: > Mayf, > > My records go back to Dec. 12, 2001 in my latest e-mail browser that I > saved. And all the usual suspects still active are: > > Bob Palmer, Chris Mottram, C.J. Richards, Carl Meine, Mark L. (CoolTV), > Jeff Cushing, Dave Johnson, Mayf, Jim Barrett, Jim Boynton, Larry > Paulick, Mike Wood, Paul Sheahan, Sean Ford (Mooney), ME (Steve), David > Sosna, Tom Hall, Tom Witt, Al Johnson. > > Going back to 1998, there are over 300 PAGES of collected e-mails, over > a three year period, arranged by Subject from the Tiger List. Sort > through them for these for the "usual suspects": > * > http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-coolsys29.asp* > > > Steve > > ___ > > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > > drmayf wrote: > >> Which brings up a question.. who has been on the tiger list the >> longest? I been around a long while others probably longer.. >> >> mayf >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Sun Oct 12 13:29:46 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:29:46 EDT Subject: [Tigers] What the heck? Message-ID: I got a "You aren't on the list" letter when I tried to post about a Tiger on e-pay. But I keep getting posts. In a message dated 10/12/2008 11:54:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com writes: Hmmm! The list seems, sometimes) to add asterisks (*) on hot links. This seems to confuse the location. The actual location is without the asterisk(s). i.e., http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-coolsys29.asp Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Laifman wrote: > Mayf, > > My records go back to Dec. 12, 2001 in my latest e-mail browser that I > saved. And all the usual suspects still active are: > > Bob Palmer, Chris Mottram, C.J. Richards, Carl Meine, Mark L. (CoolTV), > Jeff Cushing, Dave Johnson, Mayf, Jim Barrett, Jim Boynton, Larry > Paulick, Mike Wood, Paul Sheahan, Sean Ford (Mooney), ME (Steve), David > Sosna, Tom Hall, Tom Witt, Al Johnson. > > Going back to 1998, there are over 300 PAGES of collected e-mails, over > a three year period, arranged by Subject from the Tiger List. Sort > through them for these for the "usual suspects": > * > http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-coolsys29.asp* > > > Steve > > ___ > > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > > drmayf wrote: > >> Which brings up a question.. who has been on the tiger list the >> longest? I been around a long while others probably longer.. >> >> mayf >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From atwittsend at verizon.net Sun Oct 12 18:31:20 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:31:20 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Correct Maverick Fan? References: Message-ID: <493AEDB7DDE74E8EA6BC45531E1E433E@student2> >>>I just want to emphasize that everyone should look at any fan for >>>possible use.<<< Ron, Thanks, I agree. I'm still stoked to find the Maverick fan, but... . As I frequent self serve yards a lot, I see many fan candidates. Likely what happens is someone successfully finds a viable fan and we all chase to find one ourselves. My understanding is the larger than 1" center on the Volvo fan made it a popular item. I have a Ford 7 blade fan that seems like it would draw a lot of air. I have a 5 blade Mopar fan with a lot of blade curvature that would seem to do the same. Maybe those Tiger guys with the "fan tester" could show up at a Tigers Untied and all who have something available could put their fan to the test. Just a thought. Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1721 - Release Date: 10/12/2008 12:00 PM From DJoh797014 at aol.com Sun Oct 12 19:39:27 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:39:27 EDT Subject: [Tigers] What the heck? Message-ID: Guilty as charged In a message dated 10/12/2008 1:39:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com writes: Mayf, My records go back to Dec. 12, 2001 in my latest e-mail browser that I saved. And all the usual suspects still active are: Bob Palmer, Chris Mottram, C.J. Richards, Carl Meine, Mark L. (CoolTV), Jeff Cushing, Dave Johnson, Mayf, Jim Barrett, Jim Boynton, Larry Paulick, Mike Wood, Paul Sheahan, Sean Ford (Mooney), ME (Steve), David Sosna, Tom Hall, Tom Witt, Al Johnson. Going back to 1998, there are over 300 PAGES of collected e-mails, over a three year period, arranged by Subject from the Tiger List. Sort through them for these for the "usual suspects": * http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-coolsys29.asp* Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com drmayf wrote: > Which brings up a question.. who has been on the tiger list the > longest? I been around a long while others probably longer.. > > mayf Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From DJoh797014 at aol.com Sun Oct 12 19:48:46 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:48:46 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Another fan question Message-ID: My one man repair of my damaged Tiger is progressing. The light pole that my son took out, did a great job on the radiator and fan. I had an original LAT 42 steel bladed fan. Two of the blads were bent around the upper pulley. Naturally I will replace the original pump and pulley. The question to listers is: should I try to straighten the blades. The blades are steel and riveted on. If I bend them back to position and a simple dye test checks for cracks, is it OK to use? Inquiring mind would like to know. Dave **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sun Oct 12 20:00:44 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:00:44 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Another fan question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48F2ABCC.4060103@SoCal.rr.com> DJ, You've heard of "Work Hardening", and I don't mean the muscle you've got from physical labor. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com DJoh797014 at aol.com wrote: > My one man repair of my damaged Tiger is progressing. > > The light pole that my son took out, did a great job on the > radiator and fan. I had an original LAT 42 steel bladed > fan. Two of the blads were bent around the upper pulley. > Naturally I will replace the original pump and pulley. > > The question to listers is: should I try to straighten > the blades. The blades are steel and riveted on. If > I bend them back to position and a simple dye test > checks for cracks, is it OK to use? > > Inquiring mind would like to know. > > Dave From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sun Oct 12 20:42:10 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:42:10 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Another fan question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dave Maybe? First you have to bend it back to shape and you will probably need to heat them to accomplish that. Next you need to know if it is still in balance, if not you will have a vibration and premature water pump bearing failure. Once you are at this point you need to have confidence that the fan will not come apart at any speed and tear through the car. Metal fatigue is not always easy to spot. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of DJoh797014 at aol.com Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 9:49 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Another fan question My one man repair of my damaged Tiger is progressing. The light pole that my son took out, did a great job on the radiator and fan. I had an original LAT 42 steel bladed fan. Two of the blads were bent around the upper pulley. Naturally I will replace the original pump and pulley. The question to listers is: should I try to straighten the blades. The blades are steel and riveted on. If I bend them back to position and a simple dye test checks for cracks, is it OK to use? Inquiring mind would like to know. Dave **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1721 - Release Date: 10/12/2008 12:00 PM From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Sun Oct 12 21:24:46 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:24:46 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Subj: Hardtop 1/4 glass pattern Message-ID: ____________________________________ Listers I have been kicking around the Idea of making the 1/4's in glass + the doors and vents. Does anyone have an old 1/4 window I could beg, borrow, steal, or buy one from? I have the door and vent but need a 1/4 for a pattern. If someone would send me one I could be persuaded to send them a pair of glass 1/4's in glass. A. LEE FESTICH ALAN AUTO GLASS 599 S. BONNYWOOD PL. BURBANK, CA. 91502 818-845-7300 PHN 818-845-7355 FAX 818-464-5909 CEL AAAGLASSS at AOL.COM _http://alanautoglass.com/_ (http://alanautoglass.com/) ____________________________________ New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. _Try it out! _ (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From mmichels at socal.rr.com Sun Oct 12 21:41:08 2008 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 20:41:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Another fan question References: Message-ID: <4208C3FB57B04FC180D39ACDDE4C8D98@delldimension> I wouldn't chance it. I had a fan blade crack and go through the radiator of a Lotus Cortina back in the day. I suppose I was lucky it didnt' go through the hood. ----- Original Message ----- From: " Ron Fraser" To: ; Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Another fan question > Dave > Maybe? > First you have to bend it back to shape and you will probably need to heat > them to accomplish that. > > Next you need to know if it is still in balance, if not you will have a > vibration and premature water pump bearing failure. > > Once you are at this point you need to have confidence that the fan will > not > come apart at any speed and tear through the car. Metal fatigue is not > always easy to spot. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of DJoh797014 at aol.com > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 9:49 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Another fan question > > > My one man repair of my damaged Tiger is progressing. > > The light pole that my son took out, did a great job on the radiator and > fan. I had an original LAT 42 steel bladed fan. Two of the blads were > bent > around the upper pulley. Naturally I will replace the original pump and > pulley. > > The question to listers is: should I try to straighten > the blades. The blades are steel and riveted on. If > I bend them back to position and a simple dye test > checks for cracks, is it OK to use? > > Inquiring mind would like to know. > > Dave > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your > destination. > > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1721 - Release Date: 10/12/2008 > 12:00 PM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 05:29:21 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:29:21 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Correct Maverick Fan? In-Reply-To: <493AEDB7DDE74E8EA6BC45531E1E433E@student2> References: <493AEDB7DDE74E8EA6BC45531E1E433E@student2> Message-ID: <39a841b0810130429l765be329ra88b4f5185b8af8a@mail.gmail.com> is there any reason this magic fan is better than a new $30 flex-a-lite fan? i bought nice one from summit - 13" six blade i think. draws a massive amount of air at idle. steel center with stainless blades. didn't take much tracking down. i did however have to carefully drill out the centre hole to 1". On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 1:31 AM, Thomas Witt wrote: >>>>I just want to emphasize that everyone should look at any fan for >>>>possible use.<<< > > Ron, > Thanks, I agree. I'm still stoked to find the Maverick fan, but... . As I > frequent self serve yards a lot, I see many fan candidates. Likely what > happens is someone successfully finds a viable fan and we all chase to find > one ourselves. My understanding is the larger than 1" center on the Volvo > fan made it a popular item. > I have a Ford 7 blade fan that seems like it would draw a lot of air. I > have a 5 blade Mopar fan with a lot of blade curvature that would seem to do > the same. Maybe those Tiger guys with the "fan tester" could show up at a > Tigers Untied and all who have something available could put their fan to > the test. Just a thought. > Tom > > > [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried > to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1721 - Release Date: 10/12/2008 > 12:00 PM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 06:05:21 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:05:21 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] hoppers stoppers Message-ID: <39a841b0810130505u59890c78wea28620db4df67c1@mail.gmail.com> anyone running the 'hoppers stoppers' front brakes from australia? i'm interested in some feedback. thanks. From jkfqualbldg at cox.net Mon Oct 13 06:49:22 2008 From: jkfqualbldg at cox.net (Jeff Francis) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:49:22 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Subj: Hardtop 1/4 glass pattern References: Message-ID: <006701c92d32$1df770a0$6601a8c0@quality4a2h1xa> I've got them. I redoing my hardtop now and will send you the old ones. Give me a couple of days and I'll get them in the mail to you...Jeff Francis - MK II Tiger - Virginia Beach, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 11:24 PM Subject: [Tigers] Subj: Hardtop 1/4 glass pattern > ____________________________________ > > > Listers > I have been kicking around the Idea of making the 1/4's in glass + the > doors and vents. Does anyone have an old 1/4 window I could beg, borrow, > steal, or buy one from? I have the door and vent but need a 1/4 for a pattern. > If someone would send me one I could be persuaded to send them a pair of glass > 1/4's in glass. > > A. LEE FESTICH > ALAN AUTO GLASS > 599 S. BONNYWOOD PL. > BURBANK, CA. 91502 > 818-845-7300 PHN > 818-845-7355 FAX > 818-464-5909 CEL > AAAGLASSS at AOL.COM > _http://alanautoglass.com/_ (http://alanautoglass.com/) > > > > > > ____________________________________ > New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, > Movies, Events, News & more. _Try it out! _ > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) > > > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1721 - Release Date: 10/12/2008 12:00 PM From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net Mon Oct 13 06:51:15 2008 From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:51:15 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Mobil1/ Zinc additives In-Reply-To: References: <101120081840.6019.48F0F32B000C1E91000017832216549976CD03979B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <48F34443.4050303@cox.net> Moss Motors offers something called Collectors Choice Engine Oil with added Zinc for about $7.00 a quart--and a caveat that it isn't to be used for cars with Catalytic converters (the Zinc and phosphorous in ZDDP shortens Converter lifespan, which is the primary reason why it was discontinued from most motor oils, and which I just noticed was already mentioned below--grin). With reference to Mayf's earlier post about ZDDP additive (don't know if you sent a follow-up, Mayf--if so, I didn't receive it either, so if I'm covering the same ground over again, sorry!), Moss also sells that for $11.00 a bottle. At one bottle per oil change, its six-of-one, half-dozen-of-the-other whether you go with the additive or the oil that already has the zinc. There's those who don't believe in oil additives of any kind and want the oil to already have 'the right stuff', and those who are okay with additives. Pick your poison. Two other oils that are made with more zinc than the law allows (listed, I believe, as racing oils) are Brad Penn and Torco. The Torco company also sells bottles of ZDDP additive. I believe the Brad Penn is a semi-synthetic blend of conventional oils and synthetics--and, of course, the Zinc. Not sure about the Torco oil. The local mechanic that does most of the local Miata clubs cars says he's shifted to Torco products for all the cars he works on. He feels that even newer mid- and late-ninties engines are at risk with this drop in Zinc content. His logic goes: "the cost to replace a converter a little more frequently is cheaper than rebuilding an engine." Best Regards David Sosna arado7 at sbcglobal.net wrote: > Mobil 1 has had it's zinc compounds reduced under law for catalytic > converter protection. However, so has every other oil..The only way > out is additives or perhaps Diesel oils. Full synthetic still > outperforms conventional... Gary B9472283 > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mobil1 > > >> Mobil 1 is not recommended in older engines because it lacks "cushioning >> agents" not needed in newer design engines. It can cause accelerated >> cam wear >> (like flat lobes in 5000 miles) . Any good conventional oil is a better >> choice. Havoline and Valvoline and conventional Royal purple all >> work great. >> >> >> Bob Bridgeford541 549 9539Sisters OR 97759 From drmayf at mayfco.com Mon Oct 13 07:52:53 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 06:52:53 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Mobil1/ Zinc additives In-Reply-To: <48F34443.4050303@cox.net> References: <101120081840.6019.48F0F32B000C1E91000017832216549976CD03979B@comcast.net> <48F34443.4050303@cox.net> Message-ID: <48F352B5.9030304@mayfco.com> The ZDDP additive I ha tried to post was from Eastwood. ANd it was cheaper as I recall but that has been a few days ago and my mind is slipping some, lol.. Any body interested shoot me a pm and I will send particulars on the link to it mayf David Sosna wrote: > Moss Motors offers something called Collectors Choice Engine Oil with > added Zinc for about $7.00 a quart--and a caveat that it isn't to be > used for cars with Catalytic converters (the Zinc and phosphorous in > ZDDP shortens Converter lifespan, which is the primary reason why it > was discontinued from most motor oils, and which I just noticed was > already mentioned below--grin). > > With reference to Mayf's earlier post about ZDDP additive (don't know > if you sent a follow-up, Mayf--if so, I didn't receive it either, so > if I'm covering the same ground over again, sorry!), Moss also sells > that for $11.00 a bottle. At one bottle per oil change, its > six-of-one, half-dozen-of-the-other whether you go with the additive > or the oil that already has the zinc. There's those who don't believe > in oil additives of any kind and want the oil to already have 'the > right stuff', and those who are okay with additives. Pick your poison. > > Two other oils that are made with more zinc than the law allows > (listed, I believe, as racing oils) are Brad Penn and Torco. The > Torco company also sells bottles of ZDDP additive. > I believe the Brad Penn is a semi-synthetic blend of conventional oils > and synthetics--and, of course, the Zinc. > Not sure about the Torco oil. > > The local mechanic that does most of the local Miata clubs cars says > he's shifted to Torco products for all the cars he works on. He feels > that even newer mid- and late-ninties engines are at risk with this > drop in Zinc content. His logic goes: "the cost to replace a > converter a little more frequently is cheaper than rebuilding an engine." > > Best Regards > David Sosna > > > arado7 at sbcglobal.net wrote: > >> Mobil 1 has had it's zinc compounds reduced under law for catalytic >> converter protection. However, so has every other oil..The only way >> out is additives or perhaps Diesel oils. Full synthetic still >> outperforms conventional... Gary B9472283 >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mobil1 >> >> >>> Mobil 1 is not recommended in older engines because it lacks >>> "cushioning >>> agents" not needed in newer design engines. It can cause >>> accelerated cam wear >>> (like flat lobes in 5000 miles) . Any good conventional oil is a >>> better >>> choice. Havoline and Valvoline and conventional Royal purple all >>> work great. >>> >>> >>> Bob Bridgeford541 549 9539Sisters OR 97759 >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From bob at hermitagewood.com Mon Oct 13 07:59:43 2008 From: bob at hermitagewood.com (bob at hermitagewood.com) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 06:59:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Quarter Window Message-ID: <20081013065943.b095623660cf40184f79453d74a1c7b8.22041c7ff4.wbe@email.secureserver.net> I think I have an original hardtop window (now no longer transparent) that you could use for a pattern, and I'd certainly like to have a pair of glass ones. Let me look tonight and I'll email you directly. Also, I've been on the list since late 90's, albeit under a couple of email addresses. --Bob Bob Burruss Madison, AL #382000782 >Listers >I have been kicking around the Idea of making the 1/4's in glass + the >doors and vents. Does anyone have an old 1/4 window I could beg, borrow, >steal, or buy one from? I have the door and vent but need a 1/4 for a pattern. >If someone would send me one I could be persuaded to send them a pair of glass >1/4's in glass. > >A. LEE FESTICH >ALAN AUTO GLASS >599 S. BONNYWOOD PL. >BURBANK, CA. 91502 >818-845-7300 PHN >818-845-7355 FAX >818-464-5909 CEL >AAAGLASSS at AOL.COM ._http://alanautoglass.com/_ (http://alanautoglass.com/) From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Mon Oct 13 08:09:11 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:09:11 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Quarter Window Message-ID: Lister Jeff has said he will send me a set of used 1/4's. He got there first. What I need now is an original plex back glass. If any one has one of these let me know. We do custom glass for the TV/Motion picture industry and can form glass in our oven or cut one out of a correct shaped larger glass. Thanks In a message dated 10/13/2008 6:59:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bob at hermitagewood.com writes: I think I have an original hardtop window (now no longer transparent) that you could use for a pattern, and I'd certainly like to have a pair of glass ones. Let me look tonight and I'll email you directly. Also, I've been on the list since late 90's, albeit under a couple of email addresses. --Bob Bob Burruss Madison, AL #382000782 >Listers >I have been kicking around the Idea of making the 1/4's in glass + the >doors and vents. Does anyone have an old 1/4 window I could beg, borrow, >steal, or buy one from? I have the door and vent but need a 1/4 for a pattern. >If someone would send me one I could be persuaded to send them a pair of glass >1/4's in glass. > >A. LEE FESTICH >ALAN AUTO GLASS >599 S. 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Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Oct 13 08:16:43 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:16:43 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Mobil1/ Zinc additives In-Reply-To: <48F34443.4050303@cox.net> Message-ID: <35F14DC34D9743CAB20E650E37E6F006@ronpc1> I saw an episode of Motorweek Sunday that included a segment on oil and ZDDP, hosted by Pat Goss with a chemical engineer; I always though they were just chemists. http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/goss/2806.shtml Today's oil contains about 800 ppm of ZDDP; not enough to break in a flat tappet motor but OK to run on. Racing oil and truck oil have higher amounts of ZDDP about 1200 ppm. I think we all need to be aware of these facts and we all need to be watchful of any changes to lower these additives yet again by our fearless, know it all Congress people. Your part time Subterranean Excavation Engineer. Ron Fraser In real English; I dug ditches for a Natural Gas company's pipelines one summer. From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Oct 13 08:28:05 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:28:05 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Correct Maverick Fan? In-Reply-To: <39a841b0810130429l765be329ra88b4f5185b8af8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8E416A2E50B145E7A538756F56FEDC36@ronpc1> Owain A problem that can arise from the flex fan is that at high speed it flattens out and become an air block instead of an air mover. I'm not totally convinced that this happens all the time with all flex fans but real time data is minimal. Let us know how you like the fan and whether or not the coolant temperature changes at highway speeds. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:29 AM To: Thomas Witt Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct Maverick Fan? is there any reason this magic fan is better than a new $30 flex-a-lite fan? i bought nice one from summit - 13" six blade i think. draws a massive amount of air at idle. steel center with stainless blades. didn't take much tracking down. i did however have to carefully drill out the centre hole to 1". From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 08:43:56 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:43:56 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Correct Maverick Fan? In-Reply-To: <8E416A2E50B145E7A538756F56FEDC36@ronpc1> References: <39a841b0810130429l765be329ra88b4f5185b8af8a@mail.gmail.com> <8E416A2E50B145E7A538756F56FEDC36@ronpc1> Message-ID: <39a841b0810130743s2b530d2bq19fa36c2e7513201@mail.gmail.com> i see your point. to save the water pump and alternator, i remove the fan for track style events and in the winter. it's only required in hot weather stop and go traffic. over 20mph i've never had a problem maintaining the thermostat temperature in any weather, with or without the fan. (even with a 180 thermostat!). i understand those of you with original 260's seem to have a tougher battle though. On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Owain > A problem that can arise from the flex fan is that at high speed it > flattens out and become an air block instead of an air mover. > > I'm not totally convinced that this happens all the time with all flex fans > but real time data is minimal. > > Let us know how you like the fan and whether or not the coolant temperature > changes at highway speeds. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:29 AM > To: Thomas Witt > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct Maverick Fan? > > > is there any reason this magic fan is better than a new $30 flex-a-lite fan? > i bought nice one from summit - 13" six blade i think. draws a massive > amount of air at idle. steel center with > stainless blades. didn't take much tracking down. i did however > have to carefully drill out the centre hole to 1". From todbrown at roadrunner.com Mon Oct 13 09:00:22 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:00:22 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Fans Message-ID: <48F36286.6080509@roadrunner.com> Owain: I have had great success with an aftermarket fan made by Derale, PN 17015. You can find them at Summitracing.com for $41.39. This is the fan tested by the guys at TE/AE and you can read about it on their web site (TEAE.org). It is important to not skimp on the size of the fan (i.e. the diameter) as the volume of air moved goes up exponentially with the diameter. I know some people have had difficulty fitting a 15 inch fan but it can be done (I did it) without any trimming. It may be necessary to raise the engine by shimming the motor mounts with washers to clear the rack but it is worth it. If anyone wants pictures, contact me. Tod B382002384LRXFE From todbrown at roadrunner.com Mon Oct 13 09:03:34 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:03:34 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop Side Trim Message-ID: <48F36346.9020207@roadrunner.com> Is there a trick or an accepted procedure for reinstalling the side trim on the hardtop? The guy who painted mine got the trim off without damage, but I'm a little afraid to use too much force for fear of kinking the trim when I put it back on. Thanks. Tod From modtiger at comcast.net Mon Oct 13 09:23:43 2008 From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:23:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] TAC QUESTION Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20081013082313.0276e300@comcast.net> At 08:23 AM 10/11/2008, you wrote: >Listers, my just purchased Tiger Mk1A (B382000441LRXFE) had been tac'd at >some point and was so registered. When it underwent a full restoration in >1997-98, the TAC sticker was removed. What do I do to secure a new >sticker for the >car? I live in San Diego, out the area for the California-based inspection >team. Because the original TAC sticker was apparently destroyed or removed in the restoration process, you will need to have the Tiger re-certified by a TAC Team, just as it was originally. It will then be issued a new TAC Certificate number and a new Hallmark sticker will be applied to the chassis. The previous Certificate number (68) has now been voided in our records. Buck Trippel (Buck Trippel at Verizon.net) is our Senior Inspector in the SoCal area, and he is the one to contact regarding the upcoming schedules for TAC activities in that area. Rumor has it that his team will be able to provide this service at a CAT event on November 1st, but you'll need to confirm that with him. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net From atwittsend at verizon.net Mon Oct 13 09:27:40 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:27:40 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Fans References: <48F36286.6080509@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <8E8B24847E454EB8B974BAD5CBAB55F4@student2> >>>I know some people have had difficulty fitting a 15 inch fan but it can >>>be done (I did it) without any trimming. It may be necessary to raise >>>the engine by shimming the motor mounts with washers to clear the rack >>>but it is worth it.<<< I wonder if this is an issue with the Hokanson Crossmember? I recall seeing it at Bud's shop, but the focus was on other areas, not the fan clearance. My recollection was the rack was better situated for proper angles and that would mean moving it away from the radiator. And - perhaps far enough away from the fan too??? Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1722 - Release Date: 10/13/2008 7:50 AM From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 13 09:33:39 2008 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop Side Trim In-Reply-To: <48F36346.9020207@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <409859.49717.qm@web82701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tod, It is not an easy job. I just went through it and used a method that "worked for me." It involved using rubber covered "pistol grip" adjustable clamps and a lot of patience. I took pictures of the process, and I'd be glad to send the pics to you along with a description of the process I used if you're interested. I would like to see what others may suggest, as I have two other hardtops to restore and there may be an easier way to do it. Regards, Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI --- On Mon, 10/13/08, Tod Brown wrote: From: Tod Brown Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop Side Trim To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 11:03 AM Is there a trick or an accepted procedure for reinstalling the side trim on the hardtop? The guy who painted mine got the trim off without damage, but I'm a little afraid to use too much force for fear of kinking the trim when I put it back on. Thanks. Tod Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From banana111 at msn.com Mon Oct 13 09:40:02 2008 From: banana111 at msn.com (Brent Edinger) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:40:02 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Mobil1/ Zinc additives Message-ID: The mobil 1 website states that the 15/50 grade has 1200-1300 ppm of zinc. http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Zinc_Levels_15 W50_Mobil_1_Products.aspx I have ran this stuff in my Tiger for 25 years without any trouble. Brent B9471023 From sganz at pacbell.net Mon Oct 13 09:41:36 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Oil, additives, etc Message-ID: <891563.34279.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is a great site where you can find loads of info on all you will want to know about oil, and additives, It also has comments about ZDDP and related additives. They used to have a page with a bunch of different brands of oil and additives but I'm guessing they removed it as it may be out of date. http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html From achd73 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 09:42:58 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 08:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Quarter Window In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <12929.3468.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Alan (AAA)- I dont remember the car but I do recall that some years back someone else decided to replace the back window w/ glass. The person had found a car with the correct curvature and his "glassman" was able to cut it down to fit. I wasnt on List at that time but Im pretty sure I read the article in a TE/AE newsletter or an old issue of a CAT newletter. My point is that there should be someone that knows exactly what model car the rear window came from. Im sure with todays abilities you can make one from an orginal piece but in case knowing that it has been done and if someone else remembers who did it previously will help, I thought I would pass "that" along. regards, TtT From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Oct 13 10:11:44 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:11:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop Side Trim In-Reply-To: <48F36346.9020207@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: Tod Yes there is a trick to it but it has been many years since I did this so caution is the operative word here. You might want to contact one of the Sunbeam restoration shops before proceeding; Dale's shop or Tiger Auto. It seems to me I tried a couple different method to get this trim piece on; only one method worked. I think you have to slide the trim on lengthwise from the back to front with a slightly twist on the rear down section of the trim starting at the curve down on the hard top. Use a rubber mallet and/ or a piece of wood to get the top edge of the trim down onto the sheet metal edge of the hard top along the top edge and the rear down section then push the trim down around. The other method would be to try and get the top edge of the trim down onto the metal edge of the hard top across its length starting at the down curve of the hard top and then roll the trim around. Again let me emphasize it has been along time since I did this and I don't exactly know which method worked for me and yes you are going to scratch some of the paint under the trim. Just work slowly and carefully. Has anyone else on the list done this lately who can jump in here with better instructions? I see Bill just added some information. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tod Brown Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:04 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop Side Trim Is there a trick or an accepted procedure for reinstalling the side trim on the hardtop? The guy who painted mine got the trim off without damage, but I'm a little afraid to use too much force for fear of kinking the trim when I put it back on. Thanks. Tod No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1722 - Release Date: 10/13/2008 7:50 AM From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Oct 13 10:16:42 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:16:42 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Crossmember removal Message-ID: I've had my crossmemeber off 3 times, but each time it was either partially or completely disassembled....so fairly easy. Listers have written about removing the whole assembly with wheels attached and being able to roll it off. As I look at it, it appears that it's going to be pretty difficult with the car on the floor to reach under and get at the 4 bolts. I guess it can be done, but has anyone come up with another way of getting things up in the air just a little? How will it balance with wheels on and maybe the rack taken off? And how about putting it back on? Mark **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From Sjhcobra1 at cs.com Mon Oct 13 10:16:14 2008 From: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Sjhcobra1 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:16:14 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop Side Trim Message-ID: <68E4FE09.51CFA9BF.028BE4CD@cs.com> Bill and Tod: I just replaced the hardtop side molding on my 1965 Mustang which is very similar to the Tiger hardtop molding. A friend who is a body man recommended coating the hardtop rail with Vaseline and it really helped. Steve Halbrook From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Mon Oct 13 10:29:35 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:29:35 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Quarter Window Message-ID: Have a lister sending me an original plex back for a pattern. We do a lot of cutting down here just made a Nissan Maxima clear w/s out of a Mercedes we made. My #1 has the Myers Manx account and cuts 15-20 per order. This should be an easy one. When I had Tiger # 1 in the late 60's I put amber windows in the hardtop. It was amazing to drive at night. The amber cut down on glare and bright lights. A cop pulled my ex over and gave her a ticket for the windows. Took the top off and went in and got the ticket taken care of. Thanks In a message dated 10/13/2008 8:43:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, achd73 at yahoo.com writes: Alan (AAA)- I dont remember the car but I do recall that some years back someone else decided to replace the back window w/ glass. The person had found a car with the correct curvature and his "glassman" was able to cut it down to fit. I wasnt on List at that time but Im pretty sure I read the article in a TE/AE newsletter or an old issue of a CAT newletter. My point is that there should be someone that knows exactly what model car the rear window came from. Im sure with todays abilities you can make one from an orginal piece but in case knowing that it has been done and if someone else remembers who did it previously will help, I thought I would pass "that" along. regards, TtT Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 10:46:35 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:46:35 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Crossmember removal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39a841b0810130946o72da32d9j8cd207931ccf816d@mail.gmail.com> put the car on axle stands under the jacking points to the rear of the front wheels. put a large trolley jack under the crossmember to support it. i use a hydraulic motorcycle lift that supports it well and then i chain the sway bar to the jack / lift. this stops the assembly rotating backwards which it will try to do as you lower it. remove the 4 bolts, taking care not to drop them inside the crossmember and lower the jack/lift. you may need to then jack up the car a little more for the tires to clear the front valance as you pull the crossmember out. its not too much hassle if you have a good solid base to support the assembly with. this is the lift i use: http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/cml2-hydraulic-motorcycle-lift/path/vehicle-lifts its also useful when removing the engine out the bottom. On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 5:16 PM, wrote: > I've had my crossmemeber off 3 times, but each time it was either partially > or completely disassembled....so fairly easy. Listers have written about > removing the whole assembly with wheels attached and being able to roll it off. > As I look at it, it appears that it's going to be pretty difficult with the > car on the floor to reach under and get at the 4 bolts. I guess it can be > done, but has anyone come up with another way of getting things up in the air > just a little? How will it balance with wheels on and maybe the rack taken off? > And how about putting it back on? > Mark > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From modtiger at comcast.net Mon Oct 13 10:58:18 2008 From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:58:18 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Correct Maverick Fan? In-Reply-To: <39a841b0810130429l765be329ra88b4f5185b8af8a@mail.gmail.com > References: <493AEDB7DDE74E8EA6BC45531E1E433E@student2> <39a841b0810130429l765be329ra88b4f5185b8af8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20081013094723.027581f8@comcast.net> At 04:29 AM 10/13/2008, you wrote: >is there any reason this magic fan is better than a new $30 >flex-a-lite fan? i bought nice one from summit - 13" six blade i >think. draws a massive amount of air at idle. steel center with >stainless blades. didn't take much tracking down. i did however >have to carefully drill out the centre hole to 1". They may have made some design improvements since I last ran a stainless bladed fan, but the fact remains that stainless steel work hardens rather rapidly. I had one explode on my Tiger in the late 80's. Tore a nice big slice in my "fat core" radiator (Hey! it used to be the trick setup before they improved radiator core design). So I'd say stainless fans have a limited service life. I prefer a large diameter electric pusher fan on a thermal switch and eliminating the pump mounted fan to get rid of the parasitic drag. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net From paul_rudge at transcanada.com Mon Oct 13 11:02:34 2008 From: paul_rudge at transcanada.com (Paul Rudge) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:02:34 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Crossmember removal In-Reply-To: <39a841b0810130946o72da32d9j8cd207931ccf816d@mail.gmail.com> References: <39a841b0810130946o72da32d9j8cd207931ccf816d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I took out my crossmember and it did not have any aluminum shims between it and the frame rails. I saw a set of these on ebay and they are wedge shaped about the width of the frame rail and 4-6" long. Did all crossmembers come with shims installed originally and if so where can you buy these? Thanks. Paul Rudge B9470452LRXFE -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:47 AM To: CoolVT at aol.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossmember removal put the car on axle stands under the jacking points to the rear of the front wheels. put a large trolley jack under the crossmember to support it. i use a hydraulic motorcycle lift that supports it well and then i chain the sway bar to the jack / lift. this stops the assembly rotating backwards which it will try to do as you lower it. remove the 4 bolts, taking care not to drop them inside the crossmember and lower the jack/lift. you may need to then jack up the car a little more for the tires to clear the front valance as you pull the crossmember out. its not too much hassle if you have a good solid base to support the assembly with. this is the lift i use: http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/cml2-hydraulic-motorcy cle-lift/path/vehicle-lifts its also useful when removing the engine out the bottom. On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 5:16 PM, wrote: > I've had my crossmemeber off 3 times, but each time it was either partially > or completely disassembled....so fairly easy. Listers have written about > removing the whole assembly with wheels attached and being able to roll it off. > As I look at it, it appears that it's going to be pretty difficult with the > car on the floor to reach under and get at the 4 bolts. I guess it can be > done, but has anyone come up with another way of getting things up in the air > just a little? How will it balance with wheels on and maybe the rack taken off? > And how about putting it back on? > Mark > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive This electronic message and any attached documents are intended only for the named addressee(s). This communication from TransCanada may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure and it must not be disclosed, copied, forwarded or distributed without authorization. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original message. Thank you. From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 11:11:46 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:11:46 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Correct Maverick Fan? In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20081013094723.027581f8@comcast.net> References: <493AEDB7DDE74E8EA6BC45531E1E433E@student2> <39a841b0810130429l765be329ra88b4f5185b8af8a@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.0.16.2.20081013094723.027581f8@comcast.net> Message-ID: <39a841b0810131011x562172daj2d1bb9a442f85d94@mail.gmail.com> i also prefer that set up which is why that's what i get away with most of the time. interesting to hear of that failure though - i shall add a note to replace mine in 2 years. small price to pay. On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Tom Hall wrote: > At 04:29 AM 10/13/2008, you wrote: > > is there any reason this magic fan is better than a new $30 > flex-a-lite fan? i bought nice one from summit - 13" six blade i > think. draws a massive amount of air at idle. steel center with > stainless blades. didn't take much tracking down. i did however > have to carefully drill out the centre hole to 1". > > They may have made some design improvements since I last ran a stainless > bladed fan, but the fact remains that stainless steel work hardens rather > rapidly. I had one explode on my Tiger in the late 80's. Tore a nice big > slice in my "fat core" radiator (Hey! it used to be the trick setup before > they improved radiator core design). So I'd say stainless fans have a > limited service life. I prefer a large diameter electric pusher fan on a > thermal switch and eliminating the pump mounted fan to get rid of the > parasitic drag. > > Tom Hall > ModTiger Engineering LLC > www.tigerengineering.net From todbrown at roadrunner.com Mon Oct 13 11:18:03 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:18:03 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Instrument Bulbs Message-ID: <48F382CB.6060503@roadrunner.com> OK, here's another one for all the trivia experts out there. I have not driven the Tiger at night for quite a while, so when I went out last night to pull the Tiger into my garage, I turned on the lights to discover that a couple of the instrument bulbs were out. I also noticed that the bulbs that were on, were very dim, more so than I had remembered (probably a sign of advancing age on my part). (What are the positions on the Lucas 3-way switches in a British car - Off, Dim & Flicker ;>)). Anyway, I remember somewhere in my foggy brain that I once saw a reference to a replacement bulb that was brighter than the stock bulb but I cannot locate the reference. Anyone know what I am talking about or is there a more modern (i.e. LED or halogen) bulb that will work and where can I get them? Thanks, Tod B382002384LRXFE From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 13 11:18:28 2008 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:18:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Crossmember removal Message-ID: <332326.10121.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm not sure how others have approached this, but to the best of my recollection (not what it used to be) this is a basic description of how I've done it a few times. Others are welcome to point out any errors or omissions, etc. There are probably easier ways, but I've always felt this is a "safe" way to do it. Tighten emergency brake.Loosen just a bit all front wheel nuts (do not remove). Disconnect steering shaft by removing pinch bolt at lower u-joint. Jack the front of the car up just enough to remove front wheels. Place proper jack stands securely under car just behind each front wheel at the point where the "X" crossovers meet the outside "frame." You don't need a lot of height here: just sufficient to improve access to crossmember and safely support the car. Lower car onto jack stands.Remove front wheels. Place floorjack in front of car and push it under just enough to place lifting cradle under middle of crossmember. Gently raise jack until crossmember is "supported" BUT NOT LIFTED. In another words... the car's weight should still be supported by the jackstands (not the floor jack). The floor jack is just to "hold" the crossmember in place.Remove the four (4) bolts holding crossmenber to vehicle.At this point, you can start lowering the floor jack supporting the crossmember. With the wheels removed, it can be lowered enough to roll it out on the floor jack under the front of the car. That's how I remember it, but my memory isn't what it used to be. Plus... my memory isn't what it used to be... Bill Waite Grand rapids, MI --- On Mon, 10/13/08, CoolVT at aol.com wrote: From: CoolVT at aol.com Subject: [Tigers] Crossmember removal To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 12:16 PM I've had my crossmemeber off 3 times, but each time it was either partially or completely disassembled....so fairly easy. Listers have written about removing the whole assembly with wheels attached and being able to roll it off. As I look at it, it appears that it's going to be pretty difficult with the car on the floor to reach under and get at the 4 bolts. I guess it can be done, but has anyone come up with another way of getting things up in the air just a little? How will it balance with wheels on and maybe the rack taken off? And how about putting it back on? Mark **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From hokey at oasisol.com Mon Oct 13 11:19:13 2008 From: hokey at oasisol.com (Mike Hokanson) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 10:19:13 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Crossmember Fan Clearance Message-ID: <005501c92d57$d03049c0$4c030a0a@iggy> "I wonder if this is an issue with the Hokanson Crossmember? I recall seeing it at Bud's shop, but the focus was on other areas, not the fan clearance. My recollection was the rack was better situated for proper angles and that would mean moving it away from the radiator. And - perhaps far enough away from the fan too??? Tom" -- The new crossmember that bolts in the Tiger has LOTS of room to mount a large aluminum radiator and whatever fan you desire. The large "horseshoe" shape crossmember is gone and the crank pulleys and other protruding parts are left out in space on their own. The steering rack is moved back just a little over 5". With the radiator removed, you can almost drop a bowling ball down through the car (haven't actually tried it). I am scheduled to deliver a new suspension setup in Anaheim on Nov 1st. Mike Hokanson From parlanti at comcast.net Mon Oct 13 11:26:53 2008 From: parlanti at comcast.net (parlanti at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:26:53 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Crossmember removal Message-ID: <101320081726.7302.48F384DD0007BA6F00001C862212059214079B020E049D0E9F@comcast.net> Mark, I've done this many times and it really is quite easy. Here's how I do it: 1. Disconnect brake lines and steering shaft 2. Leave the wheels on the crossmember 3. Remove 2 of the crossmember mounting bolts (A trick I use is to duct tape the socket onto the extension to prevent it from being pulled off and lost in the crossmember) 4. Thread the 2 just removed bolts through 2 ends of a 3'-4' chain and into the same holes from the opposite side inside the engine compartment. ( you may have to chase the threads to clean them up as they tend to fill with water over time.) 5. Put a floor jack under the front crossmemeber as far back as possible to help the balance and just snug it up. 6. Remove the other 2 crossmember bolts 7. Using an engine hoist or chain hoist, lift the car off of the front crossmember until it can be rolled out the front 8. Lower the car back onto jack stands. As they say in the manual, "Installation is the reverse of removal" Hope this helps, Joe Parlanti 1966 Mk1A B382000026 1959 Abarth Zagato 750GT -------------- Original message -------------- From: CoolVT at aol.com > I've had my crossmemeber off 3 times, but each time it was either partially > or completely disassembled....so fairly easy. Listers have written about > removing the whole assembly with wheels attached and being able to roll it off. > As I look at it, it appears that it's going to be pretty difficult with the > car on the floor to reach under and get at the 4 bolts. I guess it can be > done, but has anyone come up with another way of getting things up in the air > just a little? How will it balance with wheels on and maybe the rack taken > off? > And how about putting it back on? > Mark From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Oct 13 11:59:37 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:59:37 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Crossmember removal Message-ID: Okay, that's what I wanted to know. So, the trick is to get the crossmemer in the air (supported), disconnect and then lower it. And it will want to tilt backwards. Got it:-) Thanks, Mark **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From al at airtest.us Mon Oct 13 12:21:28 2008 From: al at airtest.us (Al Fudge) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:21:28 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] B9471635 Message-ID: <050E1DBEE18B46EFA93EB0473116F100@office01.dom> Does anyone know any history about B9471635? I bought it last year from Ronnie Silber in Maryland. It has a 67 or 68 302, AT (ugh!) and an Offenhauser 4 bbl intake manifold. I am trying to decide whether to restore it or sell it and buy a Tiger in better condition. Any information would be helpful, like a contact from a previous owner, etc. Al Fudge From sganz at pacbell.net Mon Oct 13 12:30:16 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Mobil1/ Zinc additives Message-ID: <325633.58503.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This will likely not be true if it is the NEW blend as all regular motor oil has reduce the contentent of the zinc as a 100 dollar cat con is getting dammaged by it. The motor, who cares... ----- Original Message ---- From: Brent Edinger To: tigers Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:40:02 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mobil1/ Zinc additives The mobil 1 website states that the 15/50 grade has 1200-1300 ppm of zinc. http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Zinc_Levels_15 W50_Mobil_1_Products.aspx I have ran this stuff in my Tiger for 25 years without any trouble. Brent B9471023 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Mon Oct 13 15:31:59 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:31:59 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Quarter Window In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48F3BE4F.7080503@SoCal.rr.com> Lee, The back "glass" is, of course, plastic. Out of the restraining frame, and treated with sun and smog, it may not still be the correct shape. Also be wary of the thicker glass (compared to plastic) may no longer fit the rubber. I purchased both the rubber and correctly form plastic from SS. HT55 ($176.50), HT58 ($64.60), plus a lot of other hard top goodies fro both the Tiger and the Alpine I-II hard tops. http://rootes.com/index.html Catalog / "W" / Windows, Hard Top Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com AAAGLASSS at aol.com wrote: > Lister Jeff has said he will send me a set of used 1/4's. He got there > first. What I need now is an original plex back glass. If any one has one of these > let me know. We do custom glass for the TV/Motion picture industry and can > form glass in our oven or cut one out of a correct shaped larger glass. Thanks > > > In a message dated 10/13/2008 6:59:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > bob at hermitagewood.com writes: > > I think I have an original hardtop window (now no longer transparent) that > you could use for a pattern, and I'd certainly like to have a pair of glass > ones. Let me look tonight and I'll email you directly. > > Also, I've been on the list since late 90's, albeit under a couple of email > addresses. > > --Bob > > > Bob Burruss > Madison, AL > #382000782 > > > > >> Listers >> I have been kicking around the Idea of making the 1/4's in glass + the >> doors and vents. Does anyone have an old 1/4 window I could beg, borrow, >> steal, or buy one from? I have the door and vent but need a 1/4 for a >> > pattern. > >> If someone would send me one I could be persuaded to send them a pair of >> > glass > >> 1/4's in glass. >> >> A. LEE FESTICH >> ALAN AUTO GLASS >> 599 S. BONNYWOOD PL. >> BURBANK, CA. 91502 >> 818-845-7300 PHN >> 818-845-7355 FAX >> 818-464-5909 CEL >> _AAAGLASSS at AOL.COM_ (mailto:AAAGLASSS at AOL.COM) >> > .__http://alanautoglass.com/__ (http://alanautoglass.com/_) > (_http://alanautoglass.com/_ (http://alanautoglass.com/) ) From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Mon Oct 13 15:50:50 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:50:50 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Instrument Bulbs In-Reply-To: <48F382CB.6060503@roadrunner.com> References: <48F382CB.6060503@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <48F3C2BA.70906@SoCal.rr.com> Tod, Bless the British automobile design criteria. The major problem with electrics on older cars is the tendency of the poor light grounds to have higher and higher grounding resistance. Check all your frame grounds, make sure they are not rusty. A clear coating over an assembled ground strap can reduce the rate of corrosion. Yes, "Off, Dim & Flicker" are the standard for lights, while slow, slower, and intermittent are the standard for wipers. ;-) Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Tod Brown wrote: > OK, here's another one for all the trivia experts out there. > > I have not driven the Tiger at night for quite a while, so when I went > out last night to pull the Tiger into my garage, I turned on the > lights to discover that a couple of the instrument bulbs were out. I > also noticed that the bulbs that were on, were very dim, more so than > I had remembered (probably a sign of advancing age on my part). (What > are the positions on the Lucas 3-way switches in a British car - Off, > Dim & Flicker ;>)). Anyway, I remember somewhere in my foggy brain > that I once saw a reference to a replacement bulb that was brighter > than the stock bulb but I cannot locate the reference. Anyone know > what I am talking about or is there a more modern (i.e. LED or > halogen) bulb that will work and where can I get them? > > Thanks, > > Tod > B382002384LRXFE From DJoh797014 at aol.com Mon Oct 13 15:54:02 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:54:02 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Mobil1/ Zinc additives Message-ID: Didn't the list discuss this topic a while ago. Shell Rotella oils (availble at truck stops) still has the old additive our cars need. Dave In a message dated 10/13/2008 9:18:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time, rfraser at bluefrog.com writes: I saw an episode of Motorweek Sunday that included a segment on oil and ZDDP, hosted by Pat Goss with a chemical engineer; I always though they were just chemists. http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/goss/2806.shtml Today's oil contains about 800 ppm of ZDDP; not enough to break in a flat tappet motor but OK to run on. Racing oil and truck oil have higher amounts of ZDDP about 1200 ppm. I think we all need to be aware of these facts and we all need to be watchful of any changes to lower these additives yet again by our fearless, know it all Congress people. Your part time Subterranean Excavation Engineer. Ron Fraser In real English; I dug ditches for a Natural Gas company's pipelines one summer. Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 13 16:09:19 2008 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Quarter Window In-Reply-To: <48F3BE4F.7080503@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <697159.54073.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Steve has some good points. I think glass for the windows would be great.... but how will the cost versus plexi stack up? The high-tech products available these days for cleaning & polishing plexi makes the maintenance issue a whole lot more reasonable. Will the glass fit the existing rear rubber trim and anodized side 1/4 window frames? Likely cost for these parts versus plexi? Bill --- On Mon, 10/13/08, Steve Laifman wrote: From: Steve Laifman Subject: Re: [Tigers] Quarter Window To: AAAGLASSS at aol.com Cc: bob at hermitagewood.com, tigers at Autox.Team.Net Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 5:31 PM Lee, The back "glass" is, of course, plastic. Out of the restraining frame, and treated with sun and smog, it may not still be the correct shape. Also be wary of the thicker glass (compared to plastic) may no longer fit the rubber. I purchased both the rubber and correctly form plastic from SS. HT55 ($176.50), HT58 ($64.60), plus a lot of other hard top goodies fro both the Tiger and the Alpine I-II hard tops. http://rootes.com/index.html Catalog / "W" / Windows, Hard Top Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com AAAGLASSS at aol.com wrote: > Lister Jeff has said he will send me a set of used 1/4's. He got there > first. What I need now is an original plex back glass. If any one has one of these > let me know. We do custom glass for the TV/Motion picture industry and can > form glass in our oven or cut one out of a correct shaped larger glass. Thanks > > > In a message dated 10/13/2008 6:59:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > bob at hermitagewood.com writes: > > I think I have an original hardtop window (now no longer transparent) that > you could use for a pattern, and I'd certainly like to have a pair of glass > ones. Let me look tonight and I'll email you directly. > > Also, I've been on the list since late 90's, albeit under a couple of email > addresses. > > --Bob > > > Bob Burruss > Madison, AL > #382000782 > > > > >> Listers >> I have been kicking around the Idea of making the 1/4's in glass + the >> doors and vents. Does anyone have an old 1/4 window I could beg, borrow, >> steal, or buy one from? I have the door and vent but need a 1/4 for a >> > pattern. > >> If someone would send me one I could be persuaded to send them a pair of >> > glass > >> 1/4's in glass. >> >> A. LEE FESTICH >> ALAN AUTO GLASS >> 599 S. BONNYWOOD PL. >> BURBANK, CA. 91502 >> 818-845-7300 PHN >> 818-845-7355 FAX >> 818-464-5909 CEL >> _AAAGLASSS at AOL.COM_ (mailto:AAAGLASSS at AOL.COM) >> > .__http://alanautoglass.com/__ (http://alanautoglass.com/_) > (_http://alanautoglass.com/_ (http://alanautoglass.com/) ) Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Oct 13 16:14:07 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:14:07 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Quarter Window In-Reply-To: <697159.54073.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <48F3BE4F.7080503@SoCal.rr.com> <697159.54073.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just a quick question, would the extra weight of the glass cause more damage to the paint where the hardtop rests on the body? I was wondering if it wouldnt compress the deals more and create greater friction when it moves due to the extra weight. -- Regards Michael King From choffman9 at cinci.rr.com Mon Oct 13 16:14:23 2008 From: choffman9 at cinci.rr.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:14:23 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Crossmember removal References: <101320081726.7302.48F384DD0007BA6F00001C862212059214079B020E049D0E9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <90D09641E9694DA595AC1C77497E0C88@HomeComputer> This is exactly how I have done it. If you get a copy of the old TEAE Survivor manual, or probably the old CAT tips manual, there will be similar writups on this technique. The nice thing about leaving the wheels on is you can roll it right out and around. Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossmember removal > Mark, > > I've done this many times and it really is quite easy. Here's how I do it: > > 1. Disconnect brake lines and steering shaft > > 2. Leave the wheels on the crossmember > > 3. Remove 2 of the crossmember mounting bolts > (A trick I use is to duct tape the socket onto the extension to prevent it > from being pulled off and lost in the crossmember) > > 4. Thread the 2 just removed bolts through 2 ends of a 3'-4' chain and > into the same holes from the opposite side inside the engine compartment. > ( you may have to chase the threads to clean them up as they tend to fill > with water over time.) > > 5. Put a floor jack under the front crossmemeber as far back as possible > to help the balance and just snug it up. > > 6. Remove the other 2 crossmember bolts > > 7. Using an engine hoist or chain hoist, lift the car off of the front > crossmember until it can be rolled out the front > > 8. Lower the car back onto jack stands. > > As they say in the manual, "Installation is the reverse of removal" > > Hope this helps, > > Joe Parlanti > > 1966 Mk1A B382000026 > 1959 Abarth Zagato 750GT From choffman9 at cinci.rr.com Mon Oct 13 16:20:21 2008 From: choffman9 at cinci.rr.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:20:21 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Quarter Window References: <12929.3468.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5DFAFA0E5D3A4907B0202D8448EB78CC@HomeComputer> I installed a glass rear window in my original Tiger. If you happen to have a copy of the old TEAE Survivor manual there is a writeup on it (mine). I think I pulled the idea from a tip in the CAT tips at the time. The glass was made from an old Chevy Nova front windshield from the 60s. I bought it at a TEAE United in the 80s. Made the top a little heavy but for sure was a lot nicer. As I recall, the windshield was cut down about an inch or so all the way around. It wasn't an exact curvature replacement 99%. So it took a little muscle to get in but once in it wasn't coming out. Again, my writeup is in the old Suvivor which I unfortunately sold with the car. The club is planning on coming out with a new version likely on CD so this tip will be a available again. Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Somebody" To: ; Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Quarter Window > Alan (AAA)- I dont remember the car but I do recall that some years back > someone else decided to replace the back window w/ glass. The person had > found a car with the correct curvature and his "glassman" was able to cut > it down to fit. I wasnt on List at that time but Im pretty sure I read the > article in a TE/AE newsletter or an old issue of a CAT newletter. My point > is that there should be someone that knows exactly what model car the rear > window came from. Im sure with todays abilities you can make one from an > orginal piece but in case knowing that it has been done and if someone > else remembers who did it previously will help, I thought I would pass > "that" along. > regards, TtT From dave at munroe.ca Mon Oct 13 16:56:28 2008 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:56:28 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Instrument Bulbs In-Reply-To: <48F382CB.6060503@roadrunner.com> References: <48F382CB.6060503@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: Hi Tod: There was an early attempt to brighten up our instruments with 2.5 Volt bulbs you could buy at the Radio Shack. Putting 12V through these low voltage bulbs made them a lot brighter, but they didn't last very long...I remember something like an hour or two. But for you and other "night vision challenged" Tiger drivers like myself, the real answer to your problem of instruments that cannot be seen in the dark, click on: http://www.lbcarco.com/ This is complex website with tons of goodies for our cars. Click on the above link, and then when it opens: Click on "Special Offers and great gift ideas" Scroll down and click on: "Halogen Bulbs & Headlamps" Then click on: "List ALL 12V Halogen Bulbs" Fill your boots, but bring lots of money, they are expensive. I have had these bulbs in my MGB and my Tiger for more than 5 years each, and they are literally fantastic. I met the gentleman who owns the Little British Car Co several years ago at the British Invasion in Stowe, VT, and inquired as to the relatively high price of these bulbs. He told me they are hand made by a gentleman in Australia, who buys the halogen elements and hand-fits the various bases found in our "LBC's". While I first fit them to my MGB, the instruments in almost all LBC's are the same, so the bulbs are completely inter-changeable with our Tigers.. I also fit the dual filament halogen bulbs to my tail/brake light sockets, and have had many comments about their brightness. A friend who followed me home one dark night thought my brake lights were stuck on until I actually braked for a stop sign and the real brake lights came on! Try 'em you'll like 'em. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Brown" To: Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:18 PM Subject: [Tigers] Instrument Bulbs > OK, here's another one for all the trivia experts out there. > > I have not driven the Tiger at night for quite a while, so when I went out > last night to pull the Tiger into my garage, I turned on the lights to > discover that a couple of the instrument bulbs were out. I also noticed > that the bulbs that were on, were very dim, more so than I had remembered > (probably a sign of advancing age on my part). (What are the positions on > the Lucas 3-way switches in a British car - Off, Dim & Flicker ;>)). > Anyway, I remember somewhere in my foggy brain that I once saw a reference > to a replacement bulb that was brighter than the stock bulb but I cannot > locate the reference. Anyone know what I am talking about or is there a > more modern (i.e. LED or halogen) bulb that will work and where can I get > them? > > Thanks, > > Tod > B382002384LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From sralsten at ca.rr.com Mon Oct 13 17:01:09 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:01:09 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Instrument Bulbs/Lucas Message-ID: <17471278.1690701223938869172.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web23-z02> > Yes, "Off, Dim & Flicker" are the standard for lights, while slow, > slower, and intermittent are the standard for wipers. ;-) > > Steve If Lucas made guns there could be no wars. I bought a sailboat several years ago. When the electric anchor windlass stopped working I went below to remove it and find a replacement. I was surprised to find it was a Lucas motor. How did a Lucas motor end up on a sailboat manufactured in 1989 in California ? Steve R From jimbo.ander at verizon.net Mon Oct 13 18:07:26 2008 From: jimbo.ander at verizon.net (Jim Anderson) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:07:26 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Credibility Message-ID: <0793AEC8577C461CA8FC54692091E0B9@JimPC> Having just attended a long weekend with the Tigers/East Alpines/East (TEAE) United in Potomac, Maryland I would like to say: anything people like Joe Parlanti say about our cars can be banked on. The level of expertise as seen last weekend is astounding and is one of the major elements that has kept so many of our cars running and looking so good. Groups such as TEAE are a treasure and if you don't belong to one, do so now In addition to discouraging frauds, it is also a way of validating cars which are treasured. For example, I think I may have over-evaluated the worth of my Series V . The amount of time and labor that these devoted experts put into the project of preserving our cars is hard to believe. But I am now a believer. Amen Jim Anderson From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tue Oct 14 06:29:48 2008 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Duke Samouce) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 07:29:48 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Sportscar Vintage Racing Association In-Reply-To: References: <48F382CB.6060503@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <000001c92df8$8cbfa900$a63efb00$@rr.com> Am thinking about running my car in SVRA Group 8. Who has some experience with this and how much prep do I need to do to my Tiger? Here is a link to the rules for the Tiger - http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/attachmentweb/EJEN-68FQEZ/$file/Sunbea m+Tiger-05.pdf?OpenElement Sorry if this has been covered many other times. Duke B382002027 From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 07:03:12 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:03:12 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Sportscar Vintage Racing Association In-Reply-To: <000001c92df8$8cbfa900$a63efb00$@rr.com> References: <48F382CB.6060503@roadrunner.com> <000001c92df8$8cbfa900$a63efb00$@rr.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0810140603u12acc411t4d304dac38686345@mail.gmail.com> interesting comment under the approved options list: what tigers had lever type rear shocks? On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Duke Samouce wrote: > Am thinking about running my car in SVRA Group 8. Who has some experience > with this and how much prep do I need to do to my Tiger? > > Here is a link to the rules for the Tiger - > http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/attachmentweb/EJEN-68FQEZ/$file/Sunbea > m+Tiger-05.pdf?OpenElement > > Sorry if this has been covered many other times. > > Duke > B382002027 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From Cushcom1 at aol.com Tue Oct 14 07:24:00 2008 From: Cushcom1 at aol.com (Cushcom1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:24:00 EDT Subject: [Tigers] HARDTOP INFO Message-ID: My recently acquired Tiger (B382000441LRXFE) came with what the original owner claimed was "the hardtop that came with the car". I have two other Tigers of the similar vintage and they had off white headliners. This car has a black headliner. It appears original and undisturbed and is in great shape. I am trying to finish the car up to be 100% correct. Any help,out there as to proper color? Many thanx from the tigerman **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Oct 14 08:15:23 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:15:23 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] HARDTOP INFO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <193B2EEE204B473990D1FF72497A6713@ronpc1> Tigerman Norm Miller should have that information. The Alpine Parts List #6600992 indicates the following for the hard top headlining: Light Grey Vynair Light Grey Perforated Vynair My hard top has white headliner with black dots; that must be the light grey Vynair unless there were other options for the Tiger. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cushcom1 at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:24 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] HARDTOP INFO My recently acquired Tiger (B382000441LRXFE) came with what the original owner claimed was "the hardtop that came with the car". I have two other Tigers of the similar vintage and they had off white headliners. This car has a black headliner. It appears original and undisturbed and is in great shape. I am trying to finish the car up to be 100% correct. Any help,out there as to proper color? Many thanx from the tigerman **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1722 - Release Date: 10/13/2008 7:50 AM From dave at munroe.ca Tue Oct 14 08:21:48 2008 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:21:48 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Instrument Bulbs In-Reply-To: <48F495A2.5090909@comcast.net> References: <48F382CB.6060503@roadrunner.com> <48F495A2.5090909@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9AD366D808AD4C3EAC65D867D9B99950@DavePC> Hi Larry; I have had this question from many to whom I have shown my bright lights. But after 5 years in two cars and some (est) 12 - 15,000 miles, I see absolutely no problem. With a caveat that in the MGB, there is a light dimmer switch and I don't drive at night with the instruments lit up on full bright..they are just too bright. On the Tiger or course there is no such potentiometer, and I am only just starting to put some serious miles on the Cat, so as a guess there are likely fewer than 2,000 miles driven with the panel lights on. As you know, in Canada we have a requirement to keep the headlights on at all times, so during the day I turn off the panel lights when the headlights are on. But I have seen no signs of excessive heat in either my instruments or in the tail light housings, where I also have these bulbs fitted, I do note that the price has increased rather dramatically in the recent past. When I bought mine back in 2003 and 2005, they were approx $12 each (bad enough!) but now they are selling for $20 each. (Currently on sale for roughly $15 each at LBCarCo), apparently due to the recent fall of the dollar against the Ozzie buck. A serious commitment from the night vision challenged! Works for me... Cheers, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Paulick" To: "Dave Munroe" Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Instrument Bulbs > Hi Dave, how is the heat. Halogens generally produce a lot of heat and in > a confined space, I would have some concern. Do they feel hot after on > for .5, 1 hour? > > Larry > > Dave Munroe wrote: From awtiger at cox.net Tue Oct 14 11:35:53 2008 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:35:53 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Sportscar Vintage Racing Association In-Reply-To: <000001c92df8$8cbfa900$a63efb00$@rr.com> Message-ID: <20081014133553.QDG9V.128943.imail@eastrmwml40> Testing, 1, 2, 3... ---- Duke Samouce wrote: > Am thinking about running my car in SVRA Group 8. Who has some experience > with this and how much prep do I need to do to my Tiger? > > Here is a link to the rules for the Tiger - > http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/attachmentweb/EJEN-68FQEZ/$file/Sunbea > m+Tiger-05.pdf?OpenElement > > Sorry if this has been covered many other times. > > Duke > B382002027 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From gleibert185 at comcast.net Tue Oct 14 11:46:42 2008 From: gleibert185 at comcast.net (George Leibert) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:46:42 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Electric Porsche no Tiger Content Message-ID: <4366621797C349239667EEA65298597D@mylaptop> Would anyone consider doing this to a Tiger? http://www.comcast.net/data/fan/html/popup.html?v=888481822 &pl=Comcast/889422703.xml&launchpoint=Cover&cid=fancover&attr=default_headli ne&config=/config/common/fan/default.xml&cvqh=TIV_porsche A new 'can of worms' to open! Geo. B382000283 From garywinblad at comcast.net Tue Oct 14 12:14:29 2008 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:14:29 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Electric Porsche no Tiger Content Message-ID: <101420081814.17515.48F4E185000728BD0000446B22165486860B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net> I don't know about a Tiger, but I have seen 2 Alpines converted!! I think I still have the complete datasheet from the last one if you want to know how to do it. Gary -------------- Original message -------------- From: "George Leibert" > Would anyone consider doing this to a Tiger? > > > > http://www.comcast.net/data/fan/html/popup.html?v=888481822 > > 22703.xml&launchpoint=Cover&cid=fancover&attr=default_headline&config=/confi > g/common/fan/default.xml&cvqh=TIV_porsche> > &pl=Comcast/889422703.xml&launchpoint=Cover&cid=fancover&attr=default_headli > ne&config=/config/common/fan/default.xml&cvqh=TIV_porsche > > > > A new 'can of worms' to open! > > > > Geo. > > > > B382000283 From Carmods at aol.com Tue Oct 14 13:03:50 2008 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:03:50 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Another ten hours in the Tiger Message-ID: Hi Tim, You don't know me but those of us who just attended the TE/AE United in Maryland were told that you and your Tiger were going to be there. After driving my Tiger 1010 miles round trip to get there and see it, I'm sorry we missed you. John Logan **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From e.coiner at cox.net Tue Oct 14 13:08:53 2008 From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:08:53 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Sportscar Vintage Racing Association In-Reply-To: <000001c92df8$8cbfa900$a63efb00$@rr.com> Message-ID: <20081014150853.OM4KE.742811.imail@fed1rmwml40> This tech update indicates you need to run a Tiger in Group 6 not 8. It looks like this is a reversal of a group change done back in 95. http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/attachmentweb/EJEN-6WPKGV/$file/Tech+Notes+2007+-+1.pdf?OpenElement Group 6: Add C-Production class. Add the following cars: Porsche 911S (2.2-2.5L), Porsche RSR (2.8/3.0L), Porsche 914/6 (2.2-2.5L), Sunbeam Tiger. The Group 6 revision is actually a reversal of a change we made in 1995 where we moved these cars out of Group 6. Lap times of these cars show that they can safely compete in but not dominate this group. ---- Duke Samouce wrote: > Am thinking about running my car in SVRA Group 8. Who has some experience > with this and how much prep do I need to do to my Tiger? > > Here is a link to the rules for the Tiger - > http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/attachmentweb/EJEN-68FQEZ/$file/Sunbea > m+Tiger-05.pdf?OpenElement > > Sorry if this has been covered many other times. > > Duke > B382002027 From milano164 at comcast.net Tue Oct 14 13:51:54 2008 From: milano164 at comcast.net (milano164 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:51:54 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Lever shocks on Tigers - approved racing modifications Message-ID: <101420081951.27094.48F4F85A000C5821000069D62212020784CBC0CE01020E040703@comcast.net> Owen, I wonder if there is a bit of confusion on the SVRA's part due to the 1965 SCCA specifications for the Tiger ALLOWING lever shocks to be used. Clearly, Tigers weren't shipped with lever shocks but it was an approved SCCA competition option. Steve S. From dave at munroe.ca Tue Oct 14 14:27:38 2008 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:27:38 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Electric Porsche no Tiger Content In-Reply-To: <101420081814.17515.48F4E185000728BD0000446B22165486860B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net> References: <101420081814.17515.48F4E185000728BD0000446B22165486860B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net> Message-ID: <956AA10F6B6C4D2FA02966CE8E96E760@DavePC> A Tiger stripped of its Ford drivetrain is...................an Alpine with heavy springs! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "George Leibert" ; Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electric Porsche no Tiger Content >I don't know about a Tiger, but I have seen 2 Alpines converted!! > I think I still have the complete datasheet from the last one if you > want to know how to do it. > > Gary From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Tue Oct 14 15:39:44 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:39:44 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Norm's site Message-ID: Did Norm's site go down?? **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From atwittsend at verizon.net Tue Oct 14 15:39:50 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:39:50 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Electric Porsche no Tiger Content References: <101420081814.17515.48F4E185000728BD0000446B22165486860B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net> <956AA10F6B6C4D2FA02966CE8E96E760@DavePC> Message-ID: <7BE2D7D0F56C442B89BDBC7659A2CE3E@student2> >From Wikipedia: >>> Porsche produced slightly more than 30,000 units (912's) during its five-year production run. <<< I guess with more than four times the912's available than the Tiger, one can more readily adapt the 912. For what it's worth I have the electric engine, controller etc. out of an Electrica 007. Basically it was a 1980 Omni 024 fastback purchased less drivetrain by Jet Industries. Even when gas was $4.50 a gallon it was not worth it to invest nearly $2,000 in batteries (20 qty. - 6 volts) that had - maybe a two year life span. Finding an earlier Horizon/Omni or VW Rabbit (Chrysler used a VW 4 speed) is still something to be found that will match the motor to tranny plate. Someday..., maybe..., but with my 323 getting 32-45 MPG and gas at $3.50 a gallon it will have to wait. And..., by the way..., there is NO consideration to put it into the Tiger - Ever! Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Munroe" To: ; "George Leibert" ; Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electric Porsche no Tiger Content >A Tiger stripped of its Ford drivetrain is...................an Alpine with > heavy springs! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "George Leibert" ; > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electric Porsche no Tiger Content > > >>I don't know about a Tiger, but I have seen 2 Alpines converted!! >> I think I still have the complete datasheet from the last one if you >> want to know how to do it. >> >> Gary > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1724 - Release Date: 10/14/2008 2:02 AM [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1724 - Release Date: 10/14/2008 2:02 AM From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 16:24:20 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:24:20 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Lever shocks on Tigers - approved racing modifications In-Reply-To: <101420081951.27094.48F4F85A000C5821000069D62212020784CBC0CE01020E040703@comcast.net> References: <101420081951.27094.48F4F85A000C5821000069D62212020784CBC0CE01020E040703@comcast.net> Message-ID: Steve, Were the shocks listed as an option .. as in addition to the telescopics? Were they to act as some sort of anti-tramp device somehow? Seems an odd thing to want to put on the car. -- Regards Michael King From sralsten at ca.rr.com Tue Oct 14 17:39:16 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:39:16 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Norm's site Message-ID: <28154080.19271224027556888.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web21-z02> No. He said he changed providers. The address also changed a bit, try http://www.rootes1.com/ ---- AAAGLASSS at aol.com wrote: > Did Norm's site go down?? > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From walmenke at bigpond.net.au Wed Oct 15 05:23:03 2008 From: walmenke at bigpond.net.au (Wally Menke) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:23:03 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Gearbox oil drain plug Message-ID: <000601c92eb8$63dfeed0$2b9fcc70$@net.au> I have a small problem with my gearbox oil drain plug...ah I don't have one! During the rebuild process I changed the top loader case to a wide ration, wide eared later one from an early 70's Ford Torino in the USA, which they fitted here in Australia to the Ford Falcon's V8 of the day. The case I had not noticed until now doesn't have a drain plug, which is a problem as I want to change the oil. Anyone have a solution to this? DO I take the lowest bolt out of the tail shaft housing and jack the front of the car as high as I dare? Wally Menke Melbourne Aust. From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Oct 15 08:42:17 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:42:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Gearbox oil drain plug In-Reply-To: <000601c92eb8$63dfeed0$2b9fcc70$@net.au> Message-ID: <6AB67869E67F419AB487B304F26FFA3C@ronpc1> Wally I think your on the right track about removing a tail shaft bolt. Any chance you can find a Ford Shop Manual for that car and transmission? A Shop manual will tell you the procedure or find a mechanic who worked those cars. An alternate method maybe to take the fill plug out, insert a tube and suck the lube out with a transfer pump. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Wally Menke Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 7:23 AM To: Tiger's List Subject: [Tigers] Gearbox oil drain plug I have a small problem with my gearbox oil drain plug...ah I don't have one! During the rebuild process I changed the top loader case to a wide ration, wide eared later one from an early 70's Ford Torino in the USA, which they fitted here in Australia to the Ford Falcon's V8 of the day. The case I had not noticed until now doesn't have a drain plug, which is a problem as I want to change the oil. Anyone have a solution to this? DO I take the lowest bolt out of the tail shaft housing and jack the front of the car as high as I dare? Wally Menke Melbourne Aust. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1725 - Release Date: 10/14/2008 9:25 PM From v8tracker at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 09:06:47 2008 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:06:47 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Gearbox oil drain plug In-Reply-To: <000601c92eb8$63dfeed0$2b9fcc70$@net.au> References: <000601c92eb8$63dfeed0$2b9fcc70$@net.au> Message-ID: <9BC0AB61AA5F4825A18661C89EDEBA1E@DellD4700> I have used manual and electric pumps to get the old oil out of inboard boat engines through the dip stick tube. The ones powered by an electric drill are cheap enough that you could probably justify one even if you only used it once. This is just an example. http://www.bellrpg.net/soderbloom/MA/grouppart.asp?MAJ=031&PRI=137&SEC=400&G RP=%207570 HTH, A.C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Wally Menke > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 6:23 AM > To: Tiger's List > Subject: [Tigers] Gearbox oil drain plug > > I have a small problem with my gearbox oil drain plug...ah I don't have > one! > > > > During the rebuild process I changed the top loader case to a wide ration, > wide eared later one from an early 70's Ford Torino in the USA, which they > fitted here in Australia to the Ford Falcon's V8 of the day. The case I > had > not noticed until now doesn't have a drain plug, which is a problem as I > want to change the oil. > > > > Anyone have a solution to this? DO I take the lowest bolt out of the tail > shaft housing and jack the front of the car as high as I dare? > > > > Wally Menke > > Melbourne Aust. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From Cushcom1 at aol.com Wed Oct 15 11:47:38 2008 From: Cushcom1 at aol.com (Cushcom1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:47:38 EDT Subject: [Tigers] LONG SHOT REQUEST Message-ID: I realize this is a long shot, but I am in dire need of TBON, either as a purchase, rental or loaner so I can correctly complete my Tiger to as-new, correct condition. Any help would be appreciated. Many thanx from the tigerman **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From cmccann at lwpb.com Wed Oct 15 12:30:10 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:30:10 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] LONG SHOT REQUEST In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD684709064733880D2CEA@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Me too...anybody want to just give me one, or possibly sell me one for about 15 bucks, would be greatly appreciated. ;) Subject: [Tigers] LONG SHOT REQUEST I realize this is a long shot, but I am in dire need of TBON, either as a purchase, rental or loaner so I can correctly complete my Tiger to as-new, correct condition. Any help would be appreciated. From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Oct 15 12:38:55 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:38:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] LONG SHOT REQUEST Message-ID: <361573.27931.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm sure that this question has come up a bunch of times for Norm, but can't the book be EPublished or something in PDF form so we can all afford to buy it? Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Cullen McCann To: "Cushcom1 at aol.com" ; "tigers at autox.team.net" Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 11:30:10 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] LONG SHOT REQUEST Me too...anybody want to just give me one, or possibly sell me one for about 15 bucks, would be greatly appreciated. ;) Subject: [Tigers] LONG SHOT REQUEST I realize this is a long shot, but I am in dire need of TBON, either as a purchase, rental or loaner so I can correctly complete my Tiger to as-new, correct condition. Any help would be appreciated. _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Oct 15 12:41:27 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Carb Size Calculator Tool Message-ID: <20792.88597.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just did another simple tool for calculating Carb Size and assorted visual charts. The link might get changed down the road but for now here it is... http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/CarbCalc.html I have a fuel injector work sheet to coming, but this seemed more useful right now. Sandy From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Oct 15 12:43:29 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:43:29 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] LONG SHOT REQUEST References: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD684709064733880D2CEA@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: Regarding TBON:> Me too...anybody want to just give me one, or possibly sell me one for about > 15 bucks, would be greatly appreciated. ;) Yikes, to my knowledge there hasn't been one "known" for sale in nearly a couple of years. My best recollection was that the last one on Ebay sold for $1,550 or something close to that. However, I'm sure there are a number of owners on the list who would "verbally" enlighten (NOT photo copy to you) an answer to a question. Then again, with the economy (not trying to start a diatribe here) being what it is, you might find a seller. Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1726 - Release Date: 10/15/2008 7:29 AM From cmccann at lwpb.com Wed Oct 15 12:50:45 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:50:45 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] LONG SHOT REQUEST In-Reply-To: References: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD684709064733880D2CEA@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD684709064733880D2D00@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Hey tom, I was certainly a sarcastic comment, they come up for sale on epay occasionally, and Ive seen one go as slow as about 750-800 bucks...but I dont have one, and I cannot afford to pay that for a book, even one as valuable as the BON. I agree with Sandy, even though its a compliment to a desirability to Norms book, I dont understand why it has to be so exclusive that a poor guy like me cant get his hands on one like any other book. I actually find it a little frustrating, its like im not good enough to have one or something....but yet, thats how it is. Im sure thats not Norms doing, its just the market and supply and demand. oh and thanks for the offer to anyone who might enlighten but I currently have no specific questions....i would just like to have it on my coffee table. Cullen Yikes, to my knowledge there hasn't been one "known" for sale in nearly a couple of years. My best recollection was that the last one on Ebay sold for $1,550 or something close to that. However, I'm sure there are a number of owners on the list who would "verbally" enlighten (NOT photo copy to you) an answer to a question. Then again, with the economy (not trying to start a diatribe here) being what it is, you might find a seller. Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1726 - Release Date: 10/15/2008 7:29 AM Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From v8tracker at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 13:04:59 2008 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:04:59 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] FW: The Book of Norman Message-ID: <3B4CEBFFEC9F48D79D8C9E54E96CD941@DellD4700> > -----Original Message----- > From: A. C. Tynes [mailto:v8tracker at gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:02 PM > To: 'Cushcom1 at aol.com' > Subject: The Book of Norman > > Tigerman, > > I hate to do this, but I have a couple of non-Tiger small > block Fords to feed. Unfortunately, after owning a new Tiger > in '65, I will never be able to afford another so maybe my > TBON should be with a Tiger owner. > > I remembered that copies of TBON have sold on E-Bay for very > high prices, but I was surprised at how high when I looked > back in the list archives. Hopefully, you will find one at a > reasonable price or be able to borrow one. > > If not, mine is available for $1,000. It's a Hell of a price, > but it's less than 2/3 of the highest E-Bay price in the list > archives and I promise that all the money will feed my small blocks. > > The dust cover shows some wear around the edges from use and > I highlighted some serial numbers which could have been my > Tiger, but otherwise the book is pristine and still feels new. > > There is no rush for a decision and I would not mind having > you call me a blood-sucking leech, or worse, since that's how I feel. > > My phone numbers are 985 809-1355 (Home) and 504 430-0741 (Cell). > > Whatever you decide, I wish you all success with your Tiger. > > A. C. Tynes > New Orleans From dave at munroe.ca Wed Oct 15 13:17:41 2008 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:17:41 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] Carb Size Calculator Tool In-Reply-To: <20792.88597.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20792.88597.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Sandy; Thanks for this. You have proven what we all should know intuitively, (that we over-carbureted our engines) assuming your calculations are correct. And of course without going to a dyno as you have suggested, we will not know for sure. But in my case, I have a bored and stroked 289 that measures out to 331 cu. in. and I have a 5500 rpm limiter chip in my 6AL MSD fire generator, so with the 600 cfm Edelbrock I have on my intake manifold, my carb is quite a bit oversize. (by your calculation should be 474 cu in.). Much more fun though to talk about the 600 on there...474 doesn't sound all that impressive. Must be why some guys have 700's with mechanical secondary's on their 289's.... Bragging rights! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Ganz" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:41 PM Subject: [Tigers] Carb Size Calculator Tool Just did another simple tool for calculating Carb Size and assorted visual charts. The link might get changed down the road but for now here it is... From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Oct 15 13:19:14 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:19:14 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] LONG SHOT REQUEST In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tigerman Why not just ask Norm about the information you are looking for; he is the author of TBON. Norman C. Miller [rootes1 at earthlink.net] http://www.rootes1.com/ Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cushcom1 at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 1:48 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] LONG SHOT REQUEST I realize this is a long shot, but I am in dire need of TBON, either as a purchase, rental or loaner so I can correctly complete my Tiger to as-new, correct condition. Any help would be appreciated. Many thanx from the tigerman **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1726 - Release Date: 10/15/2008 7:29 AM From tgrrr at peoplepc.com Wed Oct 15 13:52:48 2008 From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:52:48 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Carb Size Calculator Tool References: <20792.88597.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <60E374980FD243279C9549BD09ABDDC5@bob> 2000 CFM works about right.... http://www.inglese.com/Products/FordSmallBlock.asp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Munroe" To: "Sandy Ganz" ; Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Carb Size Calculator Tool > Must be why some guys have 700's with mechanical secondary's on their > 289's.... > > Bragging rights! > > Dave From shutchin at netjets.com Wed Oct 15 13:20:34 2008 From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:20:34 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] LONG SHOT REQUEST Message-ID: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D4030D507D@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com> Rumor has it that there could be a volume 2. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 ----- Original Message ----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net To: Cushcom1 at aol.com ; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Wed Oct 15 15:19:14 2008 Subject: Re: [Tigers] LONG SHOT REQUEST Tigerman Why not just ask Norm about the information you are looking for; he is the author of TBON. Norman C. Miller [rootes1 at earthlink.net] http://www.rootes1.com/ Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cushcom1 at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 1:48 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] LONG SHOT REQUEST I realize this is a long shot, but I am in dire need of TBON, either as a purchase, rental or loaner so I can correctly complete my Tiger to as-new, correct condition. Any help would be appreciated. Many thanx from the tigerman **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1726 - Release Date: 10/15/2008 7:29 AM _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive * ******** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 14:07:26 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:07:26 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] LONG SHOT REQUEST In-Reply-To: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D4030D507D@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com> References: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D4030D507D@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0810151307t1e3c633am3f61df1a79b7b6ad@mail.gmail.com> amazon offer a print on demand service. all they require is an example of the book and the permission of the copyright holder. they even pay the copyright holder for each print. it would out about $50-$70 each if done this way. i can only guess mr miller doesn't want the information too readily available. we have to respect whatever decision he makes but as a 'freedom of information' kind of guy, I admit I find it tough. On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 8:20 PM, Scott Hutchinson wrote: > Rumor has it that there could be a volume 2. > > > Scott Hutchinson > Director of Operations > Netjets Large Aircraft > > Office 860.292.1191 > Mobile 843.290.2805 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > To: Cushcom1 at aol.com ; tigers at autox.team.net > Sent: Wed Oct 15 15:19:14 2008 > Subject: Re: [Tigers] LONG SHOT REQUEST > > Tigerman > Why not just ask Norm about the information you are looking for; he > is the author of TBON. > Norman C. Miller [rootes1 at earthlink.net] > > http://www.rootes1.com/ > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Cushcom1 at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 1:48 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] LONG SHOT REQUEST > > > I realize this is a long shot, but I am in dire need of TBON, either as a > purchase, rental or loaner so I can correctly complete my Tiger to as-new, > correct condition. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Many thanx from the tigerman > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. > > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1726 - Release Date: 10/15/2008 > 7:29 AM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > * ******** > This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Oct 15 14:22:48 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:22:48 EDT Subject: [Tigers] LONG SHOT REQUEST Message-ID: I wouldn't worry about getting the information. It is free. Some members have already volunteered to look up anything that someone might need in their copies. Mark **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Oct 15 15:20:29 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:20:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] LONG SHOT REQUEST In-Reply-To: <361573.27931.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <561BA374562741549D6726FFCB4D35FF@ronpc1> I'm sure Norm holds all the right to this information and the book so he controls when and how it can be distributed and published. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:39 PM To: Cullen McCann; Cushcom1 at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] LONG SHOT REQUEST I'm sure that this question has come up a bunch of times for Norm, but can't the book be EPublished or something in PDF form so we can all afford to buy it? Sandy From sralsten at ca.rr.com Wed Oct 15 15:26:56 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:26:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] TBON>WAS LONG SHOT REQUEST Message-ID: <6240766.229561224106016443.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web20-z01> In my couple months in the Tiger community I've seen 4 for sale. One asking $2K. One sold on ebay for $860 ish. One sold on ebay for $771 (I bid $751). Can't recall the 4th. I think the only way I'll own one is blundering on one in a used bookstore or if Norm creates a Vol2 which hopefully will have all Vol1 plus updates. I do recall not long ago Norm made a comment about Vol2 being in the works here on this list. The book fits an unusual niche. It's not of much use to the masses but it's VERY desired by the few. Probably only a few hundred people want one and they REALLY want one. I'm lucky to have a neighbor who owns one I can look at. Steve R B9473720 LROFE ---- Cullen McCann wrote: > Hey tom, I was certainly a sarcastic comment, they come up for sale on epay > occasionally, and Ive seen one go as slow as about 750-800 bucks...but I dont > have one, and I cannot afford to pay that for a book, even one as valuable as > the BON. I agree with Sandy, even though its a compliment to a desirability to > Norms book, I dont understand why it has to be so exclusive that a poor guy > like me cant get his hands on one like any other book. I actually find it a > little frustrating, its like im not good enough to have one or > something....but yet, thats how it is. Im sure thats not Norms doing, its just > the market and supply and demand. > > oh and thanks for the offer to anyone who might enlighten but I currently have > no specific questions....i would just like to have it on my coffee table. > > Cullen > > > > > > Yikes, to my knowledge there hasn't been one "known" for sale in nearly a > couple of years. My best recollection was that the last one on Ebay sold > for $1,550 or something close to that. However, I'm sure there are a number > of owners on the list who would "verbally" enlighten (NOT photo copy to you) > an answer to a question. Then again, with the economy (not trying to start > a diatribe here) being what it is, you might find a seller. > Tom > > > [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried > to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send > plain text.] > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1726 - Release Date: 10/15/2008 > 7:29 AM > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 15:27:37 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:27:37 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] LONG SHOT REQUEST In-Reply-To: <561BA374562741549D6726FFCB4D35FF@ronpc1> References: <361573.27931.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <561BA374562741549D6726FFCB4D35FF@ronpc1> Message-ID: <39a841b0810151427l3dde9e54g36c86cc2522f89f5@mail.gmail.com> well, mr miller has contributed enormously to the current level of knowledge within the community so i really think we all need to appreciate this and accept any decision he may have taken as to the availability of his work. On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:20 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > I'm sure Norm holds all the right to this information and the book so he > controls when and how it can be distributed and published. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:39 PM > To: Cullen McCann; Cushcom1 at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] LONG SHOT REQUEST > > > I'm sure that this question has come up a bunch of times for Norm, but can't > the book be EPublished or something in PDF form so we can all afford to buy > it? > > Sandy > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From marcsmall at comcast.net Wed Oct 15 15:22:28 2008 From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:22:28 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] LONG SHOT REQUEST In-Reply-To: <561BA374562741549D6726FFCB4D35FF@ronpc1> References: <361573.27931.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <561BA374562741549D6726FFCB4D35FF@ronpc1> Message-ID: <20081015213647.276F8187666@autox.team.net> At 05:20 PM 10/15/2008, Ron Fraser wrote: >I'm sure Norm holds all the right to this information and the book so he >controls when and how it can be distributed and published. Well, no. Norm Miller does hold the copyright on the book but not on the information contained therein -- raw data such as serial number runs cannot be copyrighted. Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Oct 15 15:51:13 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:51:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Carb Size Calculator Tool Message-ID: <338722.73103.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Weber's don't count ;-) But are welcome! ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob Hokanson To: Tigers ; Dave Munroe Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 12:52:48 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Carb Size Calculator Tool 2000 CFM works about right.... http://www.inglese.com/Products/FordSmallBlock.asp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Munroe" To: "Sandy Ganz" ; Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Carb Size Calculator Tool > Must be why some guys have 700's with mechanical secondary's on their > 289's.... > > Bragging rights! > > Dave Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 15 16:06:07 2008 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:06:07 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Not By A LONG SHOT REQUEST Message-ID: <001001c92f12$3a42e870$6401a8c0@your03667082de> I will research and answer any question pertaining to a Sunbeam Tiger by perusing my very rare copy of "The Book Of Norman". My fee is $5.00 per question and payment sent to my Pay Pal ID. The TBON answer man, Jeff . Tigerman Why not just ask Norm about the information you are looking for; he is the author of TBON. Norman C. Miller [rootes1 at earthlink.net] I realize this is a long shot, but I am in dire need of TBON, either as a purchase, rental or loaner so I can correctly complete my Tiger to as-new, correct condition. Any help would be appreciated. Many thanx from the tigerman From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Wed Oct 15 16:17:45 2008 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:17:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] TBON ?? Message-ID: <002601c92f13$d9bbd6e0$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> being new to the list, i MUST claim ignorance here, WHAT is "TBON" , thanks, Clyde From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 16:22:22 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 09:22:22 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] LONG SHOT REQUEST In-Reply-To: <20081015213647.276F8187666@autox.team.net> References: <361573.27931.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <561BA374562741549D6726FFCB4D35FF@ronpc1> <20081015213647.276F8187666@autox.team.net> Message-ID: there was a BON in as new condition in the CAT newsletter the last few months.. $700 -- Regards Michael King From robin02 at mindspring.com Wed Oct 15 16:24:09 2008 From: robin02 at mindspring.com (Robin Young) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:24:09 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] TBON ?? In-Reply-To: <002601c92f13$d9bbd6e0$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> References: <002601c92f13$d9bbd6e0$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> Message-ID: <9FADE851681E48FE89C193C227BB585A@RobinLaptop> being new to the list, i MUST claim ignorance here, WHAT is "TBON" , thanks, Clyde _______________________________________________ Clyde, It is a choice Tiger owners have to make....the choice is between a $1,000 bill or a copy of The Book of Norman (out of print for many years). RObin From Rollright at aol.com Wed Oct 15 16:27:13 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:27:13 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Fuel pumps Message-ID: Hello, What is the SU model number of a stock Tiger fuel pump? And, some time ago I bought a "pointless" SU pump from Rick at SS. They don't carry them anymore and I'd like to convert my spare to "pointless" Thanks in advance, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Oct 15 16:32:20 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:32:20 EDT Subject: [Tigers] TBON ?? Message-ID: LOL, love that definition Robin. **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Oct 15 17:14:32 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:14:32 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] TBON ?? References: Message-ID: <22F3EA18B74749058F1DB2F914C6FC8F@student2> >>>amazon offer a print on demand service.<<< Humm..., we have Tigers / Alpines and..., Alger. Maybe no we have Norman / Amazon..., and Norazons! :-) Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1726 - Release Date: 10/15/2008 7:29 AM From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Oct 15 17:16:55 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:16:55 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Fuel pumps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <944E4DE4F3C64E438A3A789BEDE6947C@ronpc1> Jim SU Fuel pump AUF301/1 is the listing in the Rootes Parts list. Here is a web site about the SU fuel pumps. http://homepages.donobi.net/sufuelpumps/ I did a search last year for a conversion kit but came up empty. Keep us informed if you do come up with a conversion kit and supplier. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 6:27 PM To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] Fuel pumps Hello, What is the SU model number of a stock Tiger fuel pump? And, some time ago I bought a "pointless" SU pump from Rick at SS. They don't carry them anymore and I'd like to convert my spare to "pointless" Thanks in advance, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1726 - Release Date: 10/15/2008 7:29 AM From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Wed Oct 15 17:57:03 2008 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:57:03 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] A few TEAE United 28 pictures... Message-ID: Hey, I posted a dozen pictures to my website...some text will come this weekend (but not much) after my work deadline... http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/TEAEunited28/index.html Enjoy...I did! Paul _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Wed Oct 15 18:01:57 2008 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:01:57 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] stock wheels Message-ID: <002101c92f22$68185b30$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> anyone have a set stock wheels for Tiger/Alpine?? For show only, Clyde From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Wed Oct 15 18:06:31 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:06:31 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Fuel pumps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48F68587.6060803@SoCal.rr.com> Jim, You KNOW the answer. It is in the Tiger Parts List, Section BF - Fuel Pump - on: *http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/3-BF-PetrolFuelPump.pdf* The SU, and ALL the parts thereof, are listed and illustrated. There are more than 50 parts, and probably all available in England, if not SS or Moss Motors. The SU number is AUF 301/1 Steve Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Rollright at aol.com wrote: > Hello, > > What is the SU model number of a stock Tiger fuel pump? > > And, some time ago I bought a "pointless" SU pump from Rick at SS. They > don't carry them anymore and I'd like to convert my spare to "pointless" > > Thanks in advance, > > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Wed Oct 15 18:12:44 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:12:44 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] stock wheels In-Reply-To: <002101c92f22$68185b30$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> References: <002101c92f22$68185b30$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> Message-ID: <48F686FC.4090407@SoCal.rr.com> Clyde, Alpine and Tiger wheels are different. Aside from the obvious Alpine only wire wheel, the solid wheels have a thicker center stamping on the Tigers. I am sure Rootes would use either on the Alpine, depending on stock, but only the thicker center on the Tiger. Weight and larger side forces, ya' know. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Clyde McLaughlin wrote: > anyone have a set stock wheels for Tiger/Alpine?? For show only, Clyde From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Oct 15 18:15:39 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:15:39 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Fuel pumps Message-ID: Dave DuBois did my pump conversion. He was recommended by the MG crowd and he didn't disappoint me. Was prompt and very willing to answer questions over the phone. He will rebuild/convert yours (I think around $50-$75) or sell you a used/rebuilt/converted unit for around $90-$100. His site and contact info is below. Mark L. _http://homepages.donobi.net/sufuelpumps/_ (http://homepages.donobi.net/sufuelpumps/) **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From v8tracker at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 18:23:57 2008 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:23:57 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Fuel pumps In-Reply-To: <944E4DE4F3C64E438A3A789BEDE6947C@ronpc1> References: <944E4DE4F3C64E438A3A789BEDE6947C@ronpc1> Message-ID: Guys, I found a site in England that offers an electronic conversion kit they say will fit all SU pumps. I don't know any more about them than what is on the web site. http://www.sucarb.co.uk/ProductDetail.aspx?Id=33152 HTH, A.C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 6:17 PM > To: Rollright at aol.com; tigers at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel pumps > > Jim > SU Fuel pump AUF301/1 is the listing in the Rootes > Parts list. > Here is a web site about the SU fuel pumps. > http://homepages.donobi.net/sufuelpumps/ > > I did a search last year for a conversion kit but came up empty. > > Keep us informed if you do come up with a conversion kit and supplier. > > Ron Fraser > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 6:27 PM > To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: [Tigers] Fuel pumps > > > Hello, > > What is the SU model number of a stock Tiger fuel pump? > > And, some time ago I bought a "pointless" SU pump from Rick > at SS. They don't carry them anymore and I'd like to convert > my spare to "pointless" > > Thanks in advance, > > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at > your destination. > > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1726 - Release > Date: 10/15/2008 > 7:29 AM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From todbrown at roadrunner.com Wed Oct 15 18:30:51 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:30:51 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Pump Message-ID: <48F68B3B.7060102@roadrunner.com> "What is the SU model number of a stock Tiger fuel pump?" AUF.301. Also used on big Healeys, IIRC. Cheers, Tod B382002384LRXFE From v8tracker at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 18:32:59 2008 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:32:59 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Fuel pumps, redux In-Reply-To: <944E4DE4F3C64E438A3A789BEDE6947C@ronpc1> References: <944E4DE4F3C64E438A3A789BEDE6947C@ronpc1> Message-ID: <4DFF6937989D41F0918A1C6C956FE517@DellD4700> Guys, again, Here is an article about adding a transistor to an SU fuel pump to reduce the current across the points, which is said to make a big difference in reliability and durability at the cost of about $3 worth of parts. Note that there is one version for positive ground and one for negative ground. http://www.mgccq.org.au/tech4.htm HTH, too, A.C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 6:17 PM > To: Rollright at aol.com; tigers at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel pumps > > Jim > SU Fuel pump AUF301/1 is the listing in the Rootes > Parts list. > Here is a web site about the SU fuel pumps. > http://homepages.donobi.net/sufuelpumps/ > > I did a search last year for a conversion kit but came up empty. > > Keep us informed if you do come up with a conversion kit and supplier. > > Ron Fraser > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 6:27 PM > To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: [Tigers] Fuel pumps > > > Hello, > > What is the SU model number of a stock Tiger fuel pump? > > And, some time ago I bought a "pointless" SU pump from Rick > at SS. They don't carry them anymore and I'd like to convert > my spare to "pointless" > > Thanks in advance, > > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at > your destination. > > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1726 - Release > Date: 10/15/2008 > 7:29 AM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From bamcnulty at optonline.net Wed Oct 15 18:33:50 2008 From: bamcnulty at optonline.net (Tony McNulty) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:33:50 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] LONG SHOT REQUEST References: <361573.27931.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7ABC1CE0CF994162AF0B6E2613B30F08@your4dacd0ea75> Or reprint via Dover Press? Lots of academic/technical books are done that way. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Ganz" To: "Cullen McCann" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] LONG SHOT REQUEST > I'm sure that this question has come up a bunch of times for Norm, but > can't > the book be EPublished or something in PDF form so we can all afford to > buy > it? > > Sandy > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Cullen McCann > > To: "Cushcom1 at aol.com" ; > "tigers at autox.team.net" > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, > 2008 11:30:10 AM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] LONG SHOT REQUEST > > Me too...anybody > want to just give me one, or possibly sell me one for about > 15 bucks, would be > greatly appreciated. ;) > > > > > Subject: [Tigers] LONG SHOT REQUEST > > I realize > this is a long shot, but I am in dire need of TBON, either as a > purchase, > rental or loaner so I can correctly complete my Tiger to as-new, > correct > condition. > > Any help would be appreciated. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1726 - Release Date: 10/15/2008 7:29 AM From sralsten at ca.rr.com Wed Oct 15 18:54:41 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:54:41 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] stock wheels Message-ID: <2388553.225051224118481664.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web28-z02> IIRC one of the Tiger prototypes had Alpine wire wheels and the torque broke the spokes. Sreve R ---- Steve Laifman wrote: > Clyde, > > Alpine and Tiger wheels are different. Aside from the obvious Alpine > only wire wheel, the solid wheels have a thicker center stamping on the > Tigers. I am sure Rootes would use either on the Alpine, depending on > stock, but only the thicker center on the Tiger. Weight and larger side > forces, ya' know. > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > > Clyde McLaughlin wrote: > > anyone have a set stock wheels for Tiger/Alpine?? For show only, Clyde > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From MWood24020 at aol.com Wed Oct 15 18:58:01 2008 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:58:01 EDT Subject: [Tigers] stock wheels Message-ID: As another "data point", Tigers running stickier, contemporary rubber and healthy motors have also been known to pull lug nuts through the stock wheels...if you have any intention to engage in "spirited" driving, running stock wheels is probably not a very good idea. In a message dated 10/15/2008 5:55:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sralsten at ca.rr.com writes: IIRC one of the Tiger prototypes had Alpine wire wheels and the torque broke the spokes **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From sralsten at ca.rr.com Wed Oct 15 19:01:02 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:01:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] stock wheels Message-ID: <31963106.226201224118862313.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web28-z02> I'm working on it. I currently have 4 wheels (one damaged) and no beauty rings or hubcaps. I have found a guy who wants to sell a complete set and intend to buy. Next I'll need to find 4 bias ply Whitewalls, again as you say for show only. I hear Coker Tire is the place to go for the tires. Steve ---- Clyde McLaughlin wrote: > anyone have a set stock wheels for Tiger/Alpine?? For show only, Clyde > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 15 19:35:55 2008 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:35:55 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] stock wheels In-Reply-To: <48F686FC.4090407@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <20D6BAF951F040D1B94818E6729D92BF@ROSS> Steve, Do you have the part numbers for the different wheels they must be different right? Ross Subject: Re: [Tigers] stock wheels Clyde, Alpine and Tiger wheels are different. Aside from the obvious Alpine only wire wheel, the solid wheels have a thicker center stamping on the Tigers. I am sure Rootes would use either on the Alpine, depending on stock, but only the thicker center on the Tiger. Weight and larger side forces, ya' know. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 20:09:01 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:09:01 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] stock wheels In-Reply-To: <20D6BAF951F040D1B94818E6729D92BF@ROSS> References: <48F686FC.4090407@SoCal.rr.com> <20D6BAF951F040D1B94818E6729D92BF@ROSS> Message-ID: I have a set of the original X pattern beauty rings i would be willing to part with as i now run 14" wheels and the brakes i have will not allow the 13 "steels -- Regards Michael King From tsmit at shaw.ca Wed Oct 15 20:09:14 2008 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (THEO SMIT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:09:14 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Fuel pumps, redux In-Reply-To: <4DFF6937989D41F0918A1C6C956FE517@DellD4700> References: <944E4DE4F3C64E438A3A789BEDE6947C@ronpc1> <4DFF6937989D41F0918A1C6C956FE517@DellD4700> Message-ID: The author of the article mentions that the pump draws about 3 amps when the points are closed... then designs in a 1 amp diode to clamp the emitter voltage. It would be prudent to put in a diode rated at about 5 amps in this situation. I realize that the author has run lots of miles on the car after the conversion but the MG pump isn't located over the muffler either. Theo ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. C. Tynes" Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 6:33 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel pumps, redux To: tigers at autox.team.net > Guys, again, > > Here is an article about adding a transistor to an SU fuel pump > to reduce > the current across the points, which is said to make a big > difference in > reliability and durability at the cost of about $3 worth of > parts. Note that > there is one version for positive ground and one for negative ground. > > http://www.mgccq.org.au/tech4.htm > > HTH, too, > A.C. Tynes > New Orleans > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 6:17 PM > > To: Rollright at aol.com; tigers at Autox.Team.Net > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fuel pumps > > > > Jim > > SU Fuel pump AUF301/1 is the listing in the Rootes > > Parts list. > > Here is a web site about the SU fuel pumps. > > http://homepages.donobi.net/sufuelpumps/ > > > > I did a search last year for a conversion kit but came up empty. > > > > Keep us informed if you do come up with a conversion kit and > supplier.> > > Ron Fraser > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > > On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 6:27 PM > > To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net > > Subject: [Tigers] Fuel pumps > > > > > > Hello, > > > > What is the SU model number of a stock Tiger fuel pump? > > > > And, some time ago I bought a "pointless" SU pump from Rick > > at SS. They don't carry them anymore and I'd like to convert > > my spare to "pointless" > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Jim Armstrong > > Mk 1A 382002083 > > LRXFE > > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at > > your destination. > > > > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1726 - Release > > Date: 10/15/2008 > > 7:29 AM > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net Wed Oct 15 22:29:55 2008 From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:29:55 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] A few TEAE United 28 pictures... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48F6C343.9010305@cox.net> Paul: Nice variety of cars! Hey, is that a Venezia next to/ behind the Mark II Tiger?? Thanks for the pics. Best Regards David Sosna Paul R. Breuhan wrote: > Hey, > I posted a dozen pictures to my website...some text will come this weekend > (but not much) after my work deadline... > > http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/TEAEunited28/index.html > > Enjoy...I did! > > Paul > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. > http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550 > F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Oct 16 10:02:57 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:02:57 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] stock wheels In-Reply-To: <20D6BAF951F040D1B94818E6729D92BF@ROSS> Message-ID: <95F22A692B41483E877E5A3143B253A0@ronpc1> Alpine Parts list 6600992; Standard Road Wheel numbers: 1201200 up to B9107290 1210258 Superseded by 1214930 1214930 from B9107291 This is a Series II Alpine # Tiger Parts List 6601131: 1214930 This would indicate that Road Wheel 1214930 was cut into production in 1961 The real questions here are; 1 Can we determine which part # is which road wheel? 2 Are there obvious differences between them? 3 Can we document what we find? I know have 1 wheel that is marked 1214930 with a 64 date code. I would need to check the rest for markings. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ross Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 9:36 PM To: 'Steve Laifman'; 'Clyde McLaughlin' Cc: 'Tiger's Den' Subject: Re: [Tigers] stock wheels Steve, Do you have the part numbers for the different wheels they must be different right? Ross Subject: Re: [Tigers] stock wheels Clyde, Alpine and Tiger wheels are different. Aside from the obvious Alpine only wire wheel, the solid wheels have a thicker center stamping on the Tigers. I am sure Rootes would use either on the Alpine, depending on stock, but only the thicker center on the Tiger. Weight and larger side forces, ya' know. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1726 - Release Date: 10/15/2008 7:29 AM From sunbeams at sc.rr.com Thu Oct 16 12:15:26 2008 From: sunbeams at sc.rr.com (Eric Gibeaut) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:15:26 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers East/Alpines East United photos link Message-ID: <002d01c92fbb$2a1db6b0$6501a8c0@DFBHD491> "Paul: Nice variety of cars! Hey, is that a Venezia next to/ behind the Mark II Tiger?? Thanks for the pics. Best Regards David Sosna" Sure is! Here is a link to even more photos. http://teae.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1401 Nice collection of rare Rootes vehicles at the United including 2 Imps and a beautiful 1953 Alpine. I hope they all can make it to SUNI next summer.......Eric From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net Thu Oct 16 12:44:40 2008 From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:44:40 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers East/Alpines East United photos link In-Reply-To: <002d01c92fbb$2a1db6b0$6501a8c0@DFBHD491> References: <002d01c92fbb$2a1db6b0$6501a8c0@DFBHD491> Message-ID: <48F78B98.5050001@cox.net> Thanks Eric! I do like the Venezia! Best Regards David Eric Gibeaut wrote: > "Paul: > Nice variety of cars! > Hey, is that a Venezia next to/ behind the Mark II Tiger?? > > Thanks for the pics. > > Best Regards > David Sosna" > > Sure is! Here is a link to even more photos. > > http://teae.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1401 > > Nice collection of rare Rootes vehicles at the United including 2 Imps and a > beautiful 1953 Alpine. > I hope they all can make it to SUNI next summer.......Eric From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Thu Oct 16 13:22:48 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:22:48 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] stock wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48F79488.6030903@SoCal.rr.com> Tigers, As I recall, both Alpines, Tigers, and Triumph TR4's had steel disks added, per racing rules, to prevent them from coming apart in a race. This backed up the wheel disk hubs to prevent wheel loss. Still a good idea for the road. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com MWood24020 at aol.com wrote: > As another "data point", Tigers running stickier, contemporary rubber > and healthy motors have also been known to pull lug nuts through the > stock wheels...if you have any intention to engage in "spirited" > driving, running stock wheels is probably not a very good idea. > > In a message dated 10/15/2008 5:55:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > sralsten at ca.rr.com writes: > > IIRC one of the Tiger prototypes had Alpine wire wheels and the torque > broke the spokes From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Thu Oct 16 13:42:54 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:42:54 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] stock wheels In-Reply-To: <20D6BAF951F040D1B94818E6729D92BF@ROSS> References: <20D6BAF951F040D1B94818E6729D92BF@ROSS> Message-ID: <48F7993E.9050607@SoCal.rr.com> Ross, and Tigers, The ORIGINAL Road Wheel (Disc Type) for the Tiger is *1214930*. The information is located in the Tiger Parts List at: http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/9-NF-RearAndRoadWheels.pdf of course. :-) This document only lists TIGER parts, and is the Addendum to the Alpine Dealer manual for those parts NOT the same as the Alpine. * Peter MacDonald*, of Coquilam, BC, Canada and *Chris Thompson*. Peter Supplied the original List, and Chris prepared the PDF files to allow web publication. The Entire List is available, in parts or whole, at: http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/FactParts.asp No, not EVERYTHING is on the TU site, but a whole lot is! Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Ross wrote: > Steve, > > Do you have the part numbers for the different wheels they must be different > right? > > Ross > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] stock wheels > > Clyde, > > Alpine and Tiger wheels are different. Aside from the obvious Alpine > only wire wheel, the solid wheels have a thicker center stamping on the > Tigers. I am sure Rootes would use either on the Alpine, depending on > stock, but only the thicker center on the Tiger. Weight and larger side > forces, ya' know. > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com From marcsmall at comcast.net Thu Oct 16 13:52:42 2008 From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:52:42 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] stock wheels In-Reply-To: <48F7993E.9050607@SoCal.rr.com> References: <20D6BAF951F040D1B94818E6729D92BF@ROSS> <48F7993E.9050607@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <20081016195501.149F2187880@autox.team.net> At 03:42 PM 10/16/2008, Steve Laifman wrote: >Ross, and Tigers, > >The ORIGINAL Road Wheel (Disc Type) for the Tiger is *1214930*. > >The information is located in the Tiger Parts List at: > >http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/9-NF-Rear >AndRoadWheels.pdf > > >of course. :-) > >This document only lists TIGER parts, and is the Addendum to the Alpine >Dealer manual for those parts NOT the same as the Alpine. Steve The last is incorrect. The Alpine Parts manual lists the correct wheels for the later Alpines as 1214930 as well. There are a number of parts shared by the later Alpines and the Tigers and listed both in the Alpine Parts Manual and the "Alpine 260" Addendum. I DO have both documents, along with a few other Rootes Parts Manuals. Marc \ msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From Rollright at aol.com Thu Oct 16 15:56:52 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:56:52 EDT Subject: [Tigers] MiniLite wheel bolts Message-ID: Hello, Thanks for all the help on the fuel pump issue! I have a set of 1979 MiniLites on my Tiger. They use a constant shaft (not tapered) chromed fixing "bolt". Mine are dinged and a bit the worse for wear. There used to be a local speed shop that I could bring an old one in to, match to and buy new ones. Shop now gone. Any idea where I can buy new ones? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From garywinblad at comcast.net Thu Oct 16 16:45:20 2008 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:45:20 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] stock wheels Message-ID: <101620082245.11709.48F7C3FF000DA20A00002DBD22165258060B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net> You guys might be correct about the part number but... When this Alpine wheel vs. Tiger wheel thing first surfaced on this list over ten years ago, I had a very original 1966 SV Alger (!?) sitting in my garage next to my very original 1964 MkI Tiger. I don't know about the thickness of the center section but it was obvious that the shape of the lug "well" or raised dimpled section around the lug nut was VERY different between the Alpine wheel and the Tiger wheel. Before I compared them I thought Alpine and Tiger wheels were the same but not now! Maybe the parts list REPLACEMENT number for an Alpine is the Tiger wheel...? Gary -------------- Original message -------------- From: Marc James Small > At 03:42 PM 10/16/2008, Steve Laifman wrote: > >Ross, and Tigers, > > > >The ORIGINAL Road Wheel (Disc Type) for the Tiger is *1214930*. > > > >The information is located in the Tiger Parts List at: > > > >http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/9-NF-Rear > >AndRoadWheels.pdf > > > > > >of course. :-) > > > >This document only lists TIGER parts, and is the Addendum to the Alpine > >Dealer manual for those parts NOT the same as the Alpine. > > Steve > > The last is incorrect. The Alpine Parts manual > lists the correct wheels for the later Alpines as > 1214930 as well. There are a number of parts > shared by the later Alpines and the Tigers and > listed both in the Alpine Parts Manual and the > "Alpine 260" Addendum. I DO have both documents, > along with a few other Rootes Parts Manuals. > > Marc > \ From marcsmall at comcast.net Thu Oct 16 19:21:29 2008 From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:21:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] stock wheels In-Reply-To: <101620082245.11709.48F7C3FF000DA20A00002DBD22165258060B0E0 40D020799979D0E09@comcast.net> References: <101620082245.11709.48F7C3FF000DA20A00002DBD22165258060B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20081017012145.3E1D618788F@autox.team.net> At 06:45 PM 10/16/2008, garywinblad at comcast.net wrote: >You guys might be correct about the part number but... > >When this Alpine wheel vs. Tiger wheel thing first surfaced on this list over >ten years ago, I had a very original 1966 SV >Alger (!?) sitting in my garage next to >my very original 1964 MkI Tiger. I don't know >about the thickness of the center >section but it was obvious that the shape of the lug "well" or raised dimpled >section around the lug nut was VERY different between the Alpine wheel and >the Tiger wheel. Before I compared them I >thought Alpine and Tiger wheels were >the same but not now! Maybe the parts list REPLACEMENT number for an >Alpine is the Tiger wheel...? Gary 1214930 wheels were the ONLY wheels used on the Minx V and VI. The Minx V was introduced in the UK in late 1963, about six months or so before the first Tiger appeared. I would suggest that someone had retrofitted earlier wheels to your Alpine. Of course, this might have happened at the factory: Rootes, by that point, was dying, and so used up parts on hand. That is why the Alpine V came from the factory with the hand-crank bolt not fitted on the Alpine IV: someone found a couple of boxes of them in a back store-room so, "let's use these up". Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From jkfqualbldg at cox.net Fri Oct 17 07:30:22 2008 From: jkfqualbldg at cox.net (Jeff Francis) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:30:22 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Correct Ammeter? Message-ID: <007101c9305c$8171e7a0$6401a8c0@quality4a2h1xa> Hello All, I have a 67 MK II and I'm wondering if I have the correct ammeter. This one is Smiths, 50amp, white needle pointing down. Is this correct? Many thanks, Jeff Francis - MK II Tiger - VA Beach From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Fri Oct 17 08:59:41 2008 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:59:41 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Progress on my Tiger... Message-ID: I posted some pictures of the United and several people asked me (ok, maybe just my mom did) about the current state of my car. I am way behind on updating my website, but I did add a page of pictures with it's current condition. http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/insurance/index.html I did get to the point on my wiring where all systems other than the ignition are fully operational (I now have horns and wipers and blower and lights and turn signals and brake lights!!!!!). I disconnected the Mallory ignition box after reading it could be burned out if the igntion was left on for too long without the motor running...so I will be reconnecting shortly and hope to start the car up in the next couple of weeks. Enjoy! Paul _________________________________________________________________ Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_102008 From mrlau at charter.net Fri Oct 17 08:04:11 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 09:04:11 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Correct Ammeter? In-Reply-To: <007101c9305c$8171e7a0$6401a8c0@quality4a2h1xa> Message-ID: <20081017140621.JXGV3522.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> I'm sure that mine is original and it says Lucas -50 and +50 with the needle pointing up but I have no idea if that was the only way they came. Yours might still be original as there could have been different ammeters used. -- Bill -- Hello All, I have a 67 MK II and I'm wondering if I have the correct ammeter. This one is Smiths, 50amp, white needle pointing down. Is this correct? Many thanks, Jeff Francis - MK II Tiger - VA Beach From jkfqualbldg at cox.net Fri Oct 17 08:08:56 2008 From: jkfqualbldg at cox.net (Jeff Francis) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:08:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Correct Ammeter Message-ID: <009c01c93061$e4ffcc60$6401a8c0@quality4a2h1xa> Forgive me if I'm wrong, but remember, the MK II has the alternator and I'm almost positive that it's a 50amp unit....Jeff From sganz at pacbell.net Fri Oct 17 11:03:58 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:03:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Automotive tools start Message-ID: <681932.58606.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just started adding in the tools to the main site with some better navigation (not much)... http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/CarbCFMCalc.html http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/GearCalc.html http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/TireCalculator.html Next Up - Fuel Injector size Calculator Compression Raito Calculator Other Suggestions??? Sandy From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Oct 17 11:06:39 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:06:39 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Correct Ammeter Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F390@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Although the ammeter is a commonly installed accessory on all Tigers, as far as I know it's not factory equipment nor a factory option for the Mk II. For an alternator, and especially for high-power alternators, it's far more useful to have a voltmeter wired to the ignition-switched 12V circuit. Theo From sganz at pacbell.net Fri Oct 17 11:07:28 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:07:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Progress on my Tiger... Message-ID: <644164.19734.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Excellent work! And nice seat covers! Come pick up my car and get it in shape ;-) (Tom Ronak might be Tim?) Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Paul R. Breuhan To: Tigers Den Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 7:59:41 AM Subject: [Tigers] Progress on my Tiger... I posted some pictures of the United and several people asked me (ok, maybe just my mom did) about the current state of my car. I am way behind on updating my website, but I did add a page of pictures with it's current condition. http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/insurance/index.html I did get to the point on my wiring where all systems other than the ignition are fully operational (I now have horns and wipers and blower and lights and turn signals and brake lights!!!!!). I disconnected the Mallory ignition box after reading it could be burned out if the igntion was left on for too long without the motor running...so I will be reconnecting shortly and hope to start the car up in the next couple of weeks. Enjoy! Paul _________________________________________________________________ Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_102008 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From rfraser at bluefrog.com Fri Oct 17 11:24:59 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:24:59 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Correct Ammeter In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F390@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: Rootes parts list 6601334 Special Accessories Ammeter Kit RHD and LHD #1236634 Ammeter MkI #1223605 Ammeter MKII #1235776 No other description is listed for these meters. The C5AF alternator for the MKII is rated at 42 amps; it would be fair to conclude that the ammeter would be -50 to +50. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Smit, Theo Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 1:07 PM To: Jeff Francis; tiger email list Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct Ammeter Although the ammeter is a commonly installed accessory on all Tigers, as far as I know it's not factory equipment nor a factory option for the Mk II. For an alternator, and especially for high-power alternators, it's far more useful to have a voltmeter wired to the ignition-switched 12V circuit. Theo No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1730 - Release Date: 10/17/2008 8:07 AM From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Fri Oct 17 12:14:40 2008 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:14:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Progress on my Tiger... In-Reply-To: <644164.19734.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <644164.19734.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Sandy. That would be Tim's evil twin? or maybe Tom is Tim's evil twin? Sorry about that Tim...all fixed...so much for spell check. Paul > Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:07:28 -0700> From: sganz at pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Progress on my Tiger...> To: prbreuhan at hotmail.com; tigers at autox.team.net> > Excellent work! And nice seat covers!> > Come pick up my car and get it in shape ;-)> > (Tom Ronak might be Tim?)> > Sandy> > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: Paul R. Breuhan > To: Tigers Den > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 7:59:41 AM> Subject: [Tigers] Progress on my Tiger...> > I posted some pictures of the United and several people asked me (ok, maybe> just my mom did) about the current state of my car. I am way behind on> updating my website, but I did add a page of pictures with it's current> condition. http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/insurance/index.html _________________________________________________________________ Store, manage and share up to 5GB with Windows Live SkyDrive. http://skydrive.live.com/welcome.aspx?provision=1?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_ 102008 From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Fri Oct 17 12:33:14 2008 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:33:14 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Correct Ammeter In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F390@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F390@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: Theo, Jeff and Others, The upside down Lucas ammeter (30, 35, 50 etc...) can be refaced to match the other Jaeger gauges found in Sunbeams. http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/gauges/rubdowns/newamps.jpg And a new Sunpro Volt gauge (with a Jaeger bezel and outer face plate) can be redone also...that's what I am running on my car. http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/gauges/rubdowns/volts.jpg http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/gauges/rubdowns/dashshot.jpg Paul > Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:06:39 -0600> From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> To: jkfqualbldg at cox.net; tigers at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct Ammeter> > Although the ammeter is a commonly installed accessory on all Tigers, as> far as I know it's not factory equipment nor a factory option for the Mk> II.> > For an alternator, and especially for high-power alternators, it's far> more useful to have a voltmeter wired to the ignition-switched 12V> circuit.> Theo _________________________________________________________________ You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond your PC. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298556/direct/01/ From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Fri Oct 17 13:21:09 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:21:09 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Automotive tools start In-Reply-To: <681932.58606.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <681932.58606.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48F8E5A5.5080506@SoCal.rr.com> Sandy, Here is an "online" displacement table relating bore and stroke to CID. http://www.pawengineparts.com/charts/Conversion_Chart_CI.html Here is the calculation formula for this table: /"Bore x Bore x Stroke X .7854 x Number of cylinders. For example: A460, Ford, .030 will be: 4.390 x 4.390 x 3.850 x .7854 x 8 = 466.19." "Bore x Bore" is shorthand for Bore Squared. / You will have to use the formula if your stroke is below 3.00 inches, or above 4.5 inches, or your bore is less than 3.76 inches or larger than 4.5625 inches. Same for steps between those on the table. Hey, it's free. Lowest CID tabled is 263 CID. Now, if you have Excel, as you do (Sandy) this equation can be used to create exact numbers for for alternate choices. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Sandy Ganz wrote: > I just started adding in the tools to the main site with some better navigation (not much)... > > http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/CarbCFMCalc.html > http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/GearCalc.html > http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/TireCalculator.html > > Next Up - > Fuel Injector size Calculator > Compression Raito Calculator > > Other Suggestions??? > > Sandy From srwick at hotmail.com Fri Oct 17 16:51:02 2008 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:51:02 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Automotive tools start In-Reply-To: <681932.58606.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48F8E5A5.5080506@SoCal.rr.com> References: <681932.58606.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48F8E5A5.5080506@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: I always just use the formula for volume of a cylinder (pi times radius squared times height) times number of cylinders. pi is approx. 3.14, radius is half of bore, height is stroke. To many math classes I guess. Steve (in N.Idaho) ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Laifman To: Sandy Ganz Cc: Tiger's Den Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Automotive tools start Sandy, Here is an "online" displacement table relating bore and stroke to CID. http://www.pawengineparts.com/charts/Conversion_Chart_CI.html Here is the calculation formula for this table: /"Bore x Bore x Stroke X .7854 x Number of cylinders. For example: A460, Ford, .030 will be: 4.390 x 4.390 x 3.850 x .7854 x 8 = 466.19." "Bore x Bore" is shorthand for Bore Squared. / You will have to use the formula if your stroke is below 3.00 inches, or above 4.5 inches, or your bore is less than 3.76 inches or larger than 4.5625 inches. Same for steps between those on the table. Hey, it's free. Lowest CID tabled is 263 CID. Now, if you have Excel, as you do (Sandy) this equation can be used to create exact numbers for for alternate choices. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com > Sandy Ganz wrote: > I just started adding in the tools to the main site with some better navigation (not much)... > > http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/CarbCFMCalc.html > http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/GearCalc.html > http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/TireCalculator.html > > Next Up - > Fuel Injector size Calculator > Compression Raito Calculator > > Other Suggestions??? > > Sandy _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Fri Oct 17 17:03:37 2008 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:03:37 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] AMPMETER Message-ID: <002501c930ac$96d55000$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> lISTERS, I THINK THE NEEDLES ALL POINTED UP, AND ARE 50 AMP FOR ALTENATORS,,, HAVE AN E-TYPE, IT HAS WHITE NEEDS AND THEY POINT DOWN AND IT IS A SMITHS GUAGE,, POSSIBLE RPL'T IF THIS IS IN YOUR TIGER, CLYDE From mrlau at charter.net Fri Oct 17 17:24:53 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 18:24:53 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Automotive tools start In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081017232701.SQZT128.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> 3.14 is the relationship to the radius of a circle and .7854 is the relationship to the diameter of a circle. -- Bill -- -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steve wick Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 5:51 PM To: Sandy Ganz; Steve Laifman Cc: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] Automotive tools start I always just use the formula for volume of a cylinder (pi times radius squared times height) times number of cylinders. pi is approx. 3.14, radius is half of bore, height is stroke. To many math classes I guess. Steve (in N.Idaho) ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Laifman To: Sandy Ganz Cc: Tiger's Den Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Automotive tools start Sandy, Here is an "online" displacement table relating bore and stroke to CID. http://www.pawengineparts.com/charts/Conversion_Chart_CI.html Here is the calculation formula for this table: /"Bore x Bore x Stroke X .7854 x Number of cylinders. For example: A460, Ford, .030 will be: 4.390 x 4.390 x 3.850 x .7854 x 8 = 466.19." "Bore x Bore" is shorthand for Bore Squared. / You will have to use the formula if your stroke is below 3.00 inches, or above 4.5 inches, or your bore is less than 3.76 inches or larger than 4.5625 inches. Same for steps between those on the table. Hey, it's free. Lowest CID tabled is 263 CID. Now, if you have Excel, as you do (Sandy) this equation can be used to create exact numbers for for alternate choices. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com > Sandy Ganz wrote: > I just started adding in the tools to the main site with some better navigation (not much)... > > http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/CarbCFMCalc.html > http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/GearCalc.html > http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/TireCalculator.html > > Next Up - > Fuel Injector size Calculator > Compression Raito Calculator > > Other Suggestions??? > > Sandy _______________________________________________ From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Fri Oct 17 17:45:13 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 19:45:13 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Door Drains Message-ID: I am playing with a 64 Alpine/Tiger door that I bought on E-Pay. I bought it to get patterns for the glass. I didn't want to tear mine apart for the patterns. After I removed the glass and regulator I tore the sound deadener out it was balled up at the bottom of the door and pulled the door seal off. There are 2 access plugs at the bottom of the door for the screws that hold the glass guides. I started looking for drains. On this door there is one drain. It's in the middle of the door between the retainer that holds the door seal and the inside of the door. It is 2 inches long and less than 1/8 inch wide. Probably closer to 1/16. Are all doors like this? I would check your doors for drainage if you hose wash or drive in the rain it won't take much to plug this up. HTH **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From marcsmall at comcast.net Fri Oct 17 18:13:03 2008 From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:13:03 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Ammeter: AMPMETER In-Reply-To: <002501c930ac$96d55000$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> References: <002501c930ac$96d55000$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> Message-ID: <20081018001406.516F718767E@autox.team.net> At 07:03 PM 10/17/2008, Clyde McLaughlin wrote: >lISTERS, I THINK THE NEEDLES ALL POINTED UP, AND ARE 50 AMP FOR >ALTENATORS,,, HAVE AN E-TYPE, IT HAS WHITE NEEDS AND THEY POINT DOWN AND IT >IS A SMITHS GUAGE,, POSSIBLE RPL'T IF THIS IS IN YOUR TIGER, CLYDE Why are you shouting? This really is not as vital a topic as keeping Barack Obama out of the White House. Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Fri Oct 17 18:28:30 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 17:28:30 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] AMPMETER In-Reply-To: <002501c930ac$96d55000$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> References: <002501c930ac$96d55000$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> Message-ID: <48F92DAE.8060504@SoCal.rr.com> Actually, Clyde, The Mk I ammeter is +/- 30, and points up. However, it is the only LUCAS gauge on the dash. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Clyde McLaughlin wrote: > lISTERS, I THINK THE NEEDLES ALL POINTED UP, AND ARE 50 AMP FOR > ALTENATORS,,, HAVE AN E-TYPE, IT HAS WHITE NEEDS AND THEY POINT DOWN AND IT > IS A SMITHS GUAGE,, POSSIBLE RPL'T IF THIS IS IN YOUR TIGER, CLYDE From michael.s.king at gmail.com Fri Oct 17 23:16:22 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:16:22 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Correct Ammeter In-Reply-To: References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F390@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: I thought the MKII tigers used the same ammeter as the SV alpine.. the Lucas 35/35 with the smaller font and up facing red needle -- Regards Michael King From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk Sat Oct 18 02:03:10 2008 From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 09:03:10 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] what do you have left after an Alger is born............ Message-ID: Hi, it looks like the tiger in this ebay listing has been used as an alger donor. Inner wings gone, trunk exhaust hangers gone,l tunnel gone etc.......... I wonder what the original vin number was. Item number: 270289099223 -- Jeff Howarth From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sat Oct 18 05:37:26 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:37:26 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] what do you have left after an Alger is born............ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This seller has been selling off lots of sunbeam (alpine and tiger ) parts. Not sure.. but i was wondering if the red body was the one from the alger that was rolled and for sale a while back -- Regards Michael King From mrlau at charter.net Sat Oct 18 05:57:54 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 06:57:54 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Correct Ammeter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081018120002.ZSRV3522.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> Michael, I would hate to bet there weren't several different ones on the MarkII with out input from those that have original models because it was the end of the making of Tigers and a lot of things had changed hands. Why don't MkII owners on this list send in what they have on their cars with serial #s to see if there is a pattern? -- Bill -- I thought the MKII tigers used the same ammeter as the SV alpine.. the Lucas 35/35 with the smaller font and up facing red needle -- Regards From Cushcom1 at aol.com Sat Oct 18 08:09:30 2008 From: Cushcom1 at aol.com (Cushcom1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:09:30 EDT Subject: [Tigers] PART NEEDED Message-ID: Help, listers! I am zeroing in on completion of my car. I am in need of a simple part: I have the water bottle. I have the cage for the bottle. I do NOT have the little bracket that connects the bracket to the chassis. If the part is not available, can someone send me a pix of the part or draw it out and fax it to me at 619.222.5411? Many thanks for the help from the tigerman **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sat Oct 18 09:09:14 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 11:09:14 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] PART NEEDED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2AEDFAB1E3CE42E2916397FFA06C35D0@ronpc1> That bracket is a simple "L" piece on my Tiger. Raw dimensions: Flat steel stock 1/8" thick; 4" long X 3/4" wide The one bend is at 1" from the end. The end are rounded off. The 2 bolts to the cage are #10's, I believe, and the bolt to the body tab looks like a 1/4" bolt. Hopefully someone has one off the car and can add details or pictures. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cushcom1 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 10:10 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] PART NEEDED Help, listers! I am zeroing in on completion of my car. I am in need of a simple part: I have the water bottle. I have the cage for the bottle. I do NOT have the little bracket that connects the bracket to the chassis. If the part is not available, can someone send me a pix of the part or draw it out and fax it to me at 619.222.5411? Many thanks for the help from the tigerman **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1731 - Release Date: 10/17/2008 7:01 PM From jteepen at usatoday.com Sat Oct 18 14:12:15 2008 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 16:12:15 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] PART NEEDED In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9FF002B4A98E0F4FB752C81A06F004E97275809B66@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> CAT has the piece you are referring to in stock. www.catmbr.org -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cushcom1 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 7:10 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] PART NEEDED Help, listers! I am zeroing in on completion of my car. I am in need of a simple part: I have the water bottle. I have the cage for the bottle. I do NOT have the little bracket that connects the bracket to the chassis. If the part is not available, can someone send me a pix of the part or draw it out and fax it to me at 619.222.5411? Many thanks for the help from the tigerman **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From sralsten at ca.rr.com Sat Oct 18 18:00:45 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 16:00:45 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Steering Rack Oil ??? Message-ID: <000701c9317d$bccd1640$6501a8c0@DELL4600> After a month or so of backorder at SS I got the pair of rack bellows today I have been advised of a method to refill the rack while on the car that makes sense to me. I'm anxious to try but when looking up the proper fluid in the shop manuel it lists "Shell Spirex 90". What the heck is that ? Steve Ralsten B9473720 BTW I enjoyed meeting those listers who went to the CAT fix in today. I learned several things, but that's pretty easy to do when you know as little as I. From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 18 18:11:49 2008 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:11:49 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Steering Rack Oil ??? In-Reply-To: <000701c9317d$bccd1640$6501a8c0@DELL4600> Message-ID: Steve try this link http://www.shell.com/home/Framework?siteId=lubricants&FC2=/lubricants/html/i wgen/zzz_lhn.html&FC3=/global/shell_for_businesses/oils_lubricants/transport /products_services/transport_spirax_ga_2006.html Ross Subject: [Tigers] Steering Rack Oil ??? After a month or so of backorder at SS I got the pair of rack bellows today I have been advised of a method to refill the rack while on the car that makes sense to me. I'm anxious to try but when looking up the proper fluid in the shop manuel it lists "Shell Spirex 90". What the heck is that ? Steve Ralsten B9473720 BTW I enjoyed meeting those listers who went to the CAT fix in today. I learned several things, but that's pretty easy to do when you know as little as I. From sralsten at ca.rr.com Sat Oct 18 19:23:17 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 17:23:17 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Steering Rack Oil ??? References: Message-ID: <001401c93189$444d3180$6501a8c0@DELL4600> Tried it and got no results on a search for Spirex 90. Not surprisingly Sunbeam also is missing from their list of makes. I sent them an email. Steve Ralsten 9473720 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross" To: "'Steve Ralsten'" ; Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 4:11 PM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Steering Rack Oil ??? > > Steve try this link > > http://www.shell.com/home/Framework?siteId=lubricants&FC2=/lubricants/html/i > wgen/zzz_lhn.html&FC3=/global/shell_for_businesses/oils_lubricants/transport > /products_services/transport_spirax_ga_2006.html > > Ross > > Subject: [Tigers] Steering Rack Oil ??? > > After a month or so of backorder at SS I got the pair of rack bellows > today > I have been advised of a method to refill the rack while on the car that > makes sense > to me. I'm anxious to try but when looking up the proper fluid in the shop > manuel it lists "Shell Spirex 90". What the heck is that ? > > Steve Ralsten > B9473720 > > BTW I enjoyed meeting those listers who went to the CAT fix in today. > I learned several things, but that's pretty easy to do when you know > as little as I. From vesselofgrace at hotmail.com Sun Oct 19 00:00:42 2008 From: vesselofgrace at hotmail.com (Nathan Johnson) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 06:00:42 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Drive Shaft Message-ID: I was wondering if anyone on the list had a drive shaft for sale or knows where I might be able to find one. My U-joint failed (I gotta stop hitting the gas so hard...) and the eye on the drive shaft broke when it slammed into the pavement. If not, can anyone recommend a shop for building a driveshaft in the SF Bay Area? Thanks, Nathan Johnson Mark IA _________________________________________________________________ When your life is on the gotake your life with you. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298558/direct/01/ From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sun Oct 19 08:56:17 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 10:56:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Drive Shaft In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nathan Any shop that can build a drive shaft should be able to repair your drive shaft. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Nathan Johnson Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 2:01 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Drive Shaft I was wondering if anyone on the list had a drive shaft for sale or knows where I might be able to find one. My U-joint failed (I gotta stop hitting the gas so hard...) and the eye on the drive shaft broke when it slammed into the pavement. If not, can anyone recommend a shop for building a driveshaft in the SF Bay Area? Thanks, Nathan Johnson Mark IA _________________________________________________________________ When your life is on the gotake your life with you. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298558/direct/01/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1731 - Release Date: 10/17/2008 7:01 PM From mmichels at socal.rr.com Sun Oct 19 12:36:08 2008 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:36:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Door Drains References: Message-ID: I had the same issue with the sound deadener peeling off and jamming the mechanism. My Mk1A has three slots in each door, created by a stamped opening between the door skin and the bottom of the door. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 4:45 PM Subject: [Tigers] Door Drains >I am playing with a 64 Alpine/Tiger door that I bought on E-Pay. I bought >it > to get patterns for the glass. I didn't want to tear mine apart for the > patterns. After I removed the glass and regulator I tore the sound > deadener out > it was balled up at the bottom of the door and pulled the door seal off. > There > are 2 access plugs at the bottom of the door for the screws that hold the > glass guides. I started looking for drains. On this door there is one > drain. > It's in the middle of the door between the retainer that holds the door > seal > and the inside of the door. It is 2 inches long and less than 1/8 inch > wide. > Probably closer to 1/16. Are all doors like this? I would check your > doors for > drainage if you hose wash or drive in the rain it won't take much to plug > this up. HTH > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your > destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From mmichels at socal.rr.com Sun Oct 19 12:38:26 2008 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:38:26 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Steering Rack Oil ??? References: <001401c93189$444d3180$6501a8c0@DELL4600> Message-ID: <70F82535A2DC4CFC9773FC2660ED5AC3@delldimension> I believe it is simply a vintage brand name for Shell's 90-weight gear oil, same as goes in transmissions and rear axles. When I pulled my rack apart, that's pretty much what was in there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Ralsten" To: "Ross" ; Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Steering Rack Oil ??? > Tried it and got no results on a search for Spirex 90. > Not surprisingly Sunbeam also is missing from their list > of makes. I sent them an email. > > Steve Ralsten > 9473720 > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ross" > To: "'Steve Ralsten'" ; > Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 4:11 PM > Subject: RE: [Tigers] Steering Rack Oil ??? > > >> >> Steve try this link >> >> http://www.shell.com/home/Framework?siteId=lubricants&FC2=/lubricants/html/i >> wgen/zzz_lhn.html&FC3=/global/shell_for_businesses/oils_lubricants/transport >> /products_services/transport_spirax_ga_2006.html >> >> Ross >> >> Subject: [Tigers] Steering Rack Oil ??? >> >> After a month or so of backorder at SS I got the pair of rack bellows >> today >> I have been advised of a method to refill the rack while on the car that >> makes sense >> to me. I'm anxious to try but when looking up the proper fluid in the >> shop >> manuel it lists "Shell Spirex 90". What the heck is that ? >> >> Steve Ralsten >> B9473720 >> >> BTW I enjoyed meeting those listers who went to the CAT fix in today. >> I learned several things, but that's pretty easy to do when you know >> as little as I. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From fastsage at cox.net Sun Oct 19 12:47:42 2008 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:47:42 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Octane Booster Question Message-ID: <48FB80CE.2050205@cox.net> I've advanced the timing a bit on my Tiger 289 engine. Using regular 87 gas, under full load I can induce some pinging and knocking. I tried a tank of premium 92 octane at my local gas station and the car ran worse. Still pinged (maybe more) but the car also seemed noticeably slower. Nowhere near the torque as before. I ran that tank down and re filled with regular from the same station and it runs fine again, but with the same pinging under full load. I'm sure my local station does not sell very much premium, so it's probably old gas. I understand octane degrades the longer it's in those big tanks in the ground. For all I know the "premium" I bought had lower octane by this process than the usual regular I buy. Some other hot roders I've talked to have mentioned similar experiences on occasion. Which brings up octane booster products. Has anyone done any studies/experimentation as to which brands work or don't work, and are worth the money (and maybe won't dissolve the sealers in our fuel tanks)? Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.384) Database version: 5.10930 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sun Oct 19 12:52:18 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:52:18 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] "Speaking of S.U.'s - " Message-ID: <48FB81E2.8050401@SoCal.rr.com> Tigers, Some personal reminiscing, that may (or may not) be of interest. There has been some chatter about the S.U. fuel pump. I have lived with them for longer than I can remember ( a common malady), and thought some real-life experiences may ring a chime with the LBC owners. My first exposure to the S.U. came with my early new 1952 MG-TD. The car had both the carburetors and the fuel pump made by S.U. I learned that "S.U." stood for "Skinners Union"since the 1905! NOTE: The "Skinner" was NOT an occupation, but the patent and company owner, George Herbert Skinner. The S.U. carburettors were "sidedraught" with a vacuum operated piston. Similar to the 50's Zenith Stromberg's that used rubber. The "jet" was an orifice that was metered by a tapered needle rod which opened the jet by a vacuum operated diaphragm or the later large piston. Good mixture control, but NO accelerator pump for instant enrichment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SU_carburetor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenith_Carburetters The fuel pumps were also diaphragm device with electrical points. These do get dirty, and worn from arcing. The recommended procedure was to regularly clean the points with a "business card". The MG pump was under the bonnet, the Jaguar pump was under the passenger floorboard, with access through a snap plate in the floor. The carbs were pretty good on both the cars, less the accelerator pump. The fuel pump, such as on our Tigers, was a little more ornery. One fine day I was tooling north on the 405 freeway and the tell-tale sign of a failed fuel pump was a slowing down of the car. Well, at 60+ mph, in the fast lane, things happen quickly. I pulled to a stop into the median, jumped out of the car, ran to the traffic side of the car, flipped open the hood, and hit the thing with a bumper shoot! It started, and I got back into traffic from a dead stop. In the Jag, I did much the same thing, but on the street. And, I did not have to get out of the car. Of course many British vehicles used SU components, including this very fast machine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Spitfire_variants:_specifications,_performance_and_armament Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sun Oct 19 13:04:43 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:04:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Octane Booster Question In-Reply-To: <48FB80CE.2050205@cox.net> References: <48FB80CE.2050205@cox.net> Message-ID: <48FB84CB.5000209@SoCal.rr.com> Steve S., The old saying "You get what you pay for" isn't, necessarily, the case in gasoline purchases. The multi grade pumps, where you select the type of gas you want, will give that to you, eventually! If the last user pumped regular, and you selected premium, you will have to "purge the lines" until the last customer's line filling is dumped in your tank, and the better grade comes in. I have even found some off-brand (but only available gas) at Big Bear was very substandard, even in Premium. If your engine requires "Super", and you use "Regular", you will get a lot of pinging. On the other hand, if you do not need Premium, it will not give you any benefit. The mandatory use of alcohol blends is NOT a benefit to performance cars. Of course your timing may not be properly set to get the best performance. Recommendation: Try to use a pump that had the last customer using Premium. The cost/gallon is still on the pump meter. Check your timing. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Sage wrote: > I've advanced the timing a bit on my Tiger 289 engine. Using regular > 87 gas, under full load I can induce some pinging and knocking. I > tried a tank of premium 92 octane at my local gas station and the car > ran worse. Still pinged (maybe more) but the car also seemed > noticeably slower. Nowhere near the torque as before. I ran that tank > down and re filled with regular from the same station and it runs fine > again, but with the same pinging under full load. I'm sure my local > station does not sell very much premium, so it's probably old gas. I > understand octane degrades the longer it's in those big tanks in the > ground. For all I know the "premium" I bought had lower octane by this > process than the usual regular I buy. Some other hot roders I've > talked to have mentioned similar experiences on occasion. > > Which brings up octane booster products. Has anyone done any > studies/experimentation as to which brands work or don't work, and are > worth the money (and maybe won't dissolve the sealers in our fuel tanks)? > > Steve Sage From sralsten at ca.rr.com Sun Oct 19 13:18:34 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:18:34 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of lubrication.... Message-ID: <003c01c9321f$7b7eeae0$6401a8c0@DELL4600> Thanks for the replies on the Spirex which should have been spelled Spirax Works better the latter way. It's been many years since I owned a car that required regular chassis lubes. I'm assuming the Tiger does and also assuming I'm better off doing it myself rather than trying a local service station. If my assumptions are correct where do I find a map to grease fittings and what sort of gun do I need ? Any special non standard fittings ? Thanks Steve R From dave at munroe.ca Sun Oct 19 14:36:07 2008 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:36:07 -0300 Subject: [Tigers] "Speaking of S.U.'s - " In-Reply-To: <48FB81E2.8050401@SoCal.rr.com> References: <48FB81E2.8050401@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <7F4DF02E83C34723AD682D3306DDFD4D@DavePC> Steve; You said in your very interesting review of the history of the S.U carb: " ..........is operated by a vacuum operated diaphragm or the later large piston. Good mixture control, but NO accelerator pump for instant enrichment." This is true of course. But in the newer S.U. Carbs there actually is a built-in mixture enrichment feature that is adjustable to an extent. It is the "dash pot" filled with oil. When you hammer the throttle, the oil in the dash pot inside the diaphragm-controlled piston slows the rise of the piston, allowing fuel to be drawn in to the venturi without a balancing hit of air due to the piston's slightly delayed rise in its barrel. I have an S.U. equipped supercharged '74 MGB. There is an O2 sensor in the exhaust manifold that drives an air/ fuel/meter on the dash, and the effects of changing the weight of the oil in the damper can readily be seen. The heavier the oil, the slower the piston rise, and the richer the mixture following a suddenly opened throttle. With a blower on full throttle you want the mixture on acceleration at the "very rich" end of the scale at 11.5 or 12:1, along with some good gas in the tank and a retarded ignition around 25 -26 deg BTC. I am currently using 90W diff. oil in the dash pot. Don't you just love the techincal stuff?? Dave From v8tracker at gmail.com Sun Oct 19 15:59:42 2008 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:59:42 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] "Speaking of S.U.'s - " In-Reply-To: <48FB81E2.8050401@SoCal.rr.com> References: <48FB81E2.8050401@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: Steve, I once took a gamble buying a horribly running TR-3A from a guy who hadn't had it long and claimed it ran great when he bought it. I found out I was right when I got it home and found the dash pots on the SU's dry as a bone. Apparently the Triumph owner had never been told that SU dash pots had to be kept full of oil. A.C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Laifman > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:52 PM > To: Tiger's Den > Subject: [Tigers] "Speaking of S.U.'s - " > > Tigers, > > Some personal reminiscing, that may (or may not) be of interest. > > There has been some chatter about the S.U. fuel pump. I have > lived with them for longer than I can remember ( a common > malady), and thought some real-life experiences may ring a > chime with the LBC owners. > > My first exposure to the S.U. came with my early new 1952 > MG-TD. The car had both the carburetors and the fuel pump > made by S.U. I learned that "S.U." stood for "Skinners > Union"since the 1905! NOTE: The "Skinner" was NOT an > occupation, but the patent and company owner, George Herbert Skinner. > > The S.U. carburettors were "sidedraught" with a vacuum > operated piston. > Similar to the 50's Zenith Stromberg's that used rubber. The > "jet" was an orifice that was metered by a tapered needle rod > which opened the jet by a vacuum operated diaphragm or the > later large piston. Good mixture control, but NO accelerator > pump for instant enrichment. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SU_carburetor > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenith_Carburetters > > The fuel pumps were also diaphragm device with electrical > points. These do get dirty, and worn from arcing. The > recommended procedure was to regularly clean the points with > a "business card". > > The MG pump was under the bonnet, the Jaguar pump was under > the passenger floorboard, with access through a snap plate in > the floor. > > The carbs were pretty good on both the cars, less the > accelerator pump. > The fuel pump, such as on our Tigers, was a little more > ornery. One fine day I was tooling north on the 405 freeway > and the tell-tale sign of a failed fuel pump was a slowing > down of the car. Well, at 60+ mph, in the fast lane, things > happen quickly. I pulled to a stop into the median, jumped > out of the car, ran to the traffic side of the car, flipped > open the hood, and hit the thing with a bumper shoot! It > started, and I got back into traffic from a dead stop. > > In the Jag, I did much the same thing, but on the street. > And, I did not have to get out of the car. > > Of course many British vehicles used SU components, including > this very fast machine: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Spitfire_variants:_sp > ecifications,_performance_and_armament > > Steve > -- > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From mrlau at charter.net Sun Oct 19 18:02:17 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:02:17 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Octane Booster Question In-Reply-To: <48FB80CE.2050205@cox.net> Message-ID: <20081020000425.VOMR3522.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> There is a very good chance that the reason for all of this is that higher octane fuel is made by adding alcohol and since the alcohol has much less BTU's per gallon the power is also less. It will change your gas mileage for the worse also. -- Bill -- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Sage Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 1:48 PM To: TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET Subject: [Tigers] Octane Booster Question I've advanced the timing a bit on my Tiger 289 engine. Using regular 87 gas, under full load I can induce some pinging and knocking. I tried a tank of premium 92 octane at my local gas station and the car ran worse. Still pinged (maybe more) but the car also seemed noticeably slower. Nowhere near the torque as before. I ran that tank down and re filled with regular from the same station and it runs fine again, but with the same pinging under full load. I'm sure my local station does not sell very much premium, so it's probably old gas. I understand octane degrades the longer it's in those big tanks in the ground. For all I know the "premium" I bought had lower octane by this process than the usual regular I buy. Some other hot roders I've talked to have mentioned similar experiences on occasion. Which brings up octane booster products. Has anyone done any studies/experimentation as to which brands work or don't work, and are worth the money (and maybe won't dissolve the sealers in our fuel tanks)? Steve Sage From jim at island.net Sun Oct 19 19:46:26 2008 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 18:46:26 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] test In-Reply-To: <20081020000425.VOMR3522.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: <022c01c93255$aad9a8d0$4101a8c0@JIMPC> Can't seem to post to this list anymore... :( From jim at island.net Sun Oct 19 20:13:43 2008 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:13:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Crossmember mods...? Message-ID: <022d01c93259$7a8c8f40$4101a8c0@JIMPC> I took my crossmember out last week not fun! Three of the bolts came out all right but the fourth ( Right front ) I ended up twisting the tube right out of the frame and having to do a messy weld to get the thing out! Tom Hall had pointed out to me that the front tubes were sinking when the car was Taced ( a common problem after 40 years of panic braking) so I guess Ill put the suggested reinforcing plates in for sure now I was wondering if any of the listers who race or have modified their crossmember have ever run acrossor made alternate holes for the top A arm? My crossmember has 2 sets of holesthe stock top holes and another set that are lowerthe front hole is 1 lower and the back one is 1 3/8 lower  I can see that it WAS mounted there (lower) at one time in the past( The P.O.said that when he got the car there was a lot of negative camber when he got the car and he spent a great deal of effort correcting this I have no idea what he did though) Right now the alignment is within factory spec with no shims on the leftand one 1/8 shim at the rear of the right one Im still working on my Mazda power rack setuplooks like the electric pump will go in the right wheel well and the tank will be where the washer bottle was Another questionthe rack is a little quicker ( almost = a turn) and would actually turn the wheels a bit sharper but is physically stopped out by the spindlesWould it be safe to grind a bit off of them to allow a bit smaller turning circles?? I know theres room for the tires Jim From fastsage at cox.net Sun Oct 19 23:17:24 2008 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:17:24 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Windshield Washer Question Message-ID: <48FC1464.4050605@cox.net> In my constant quest to make sure all my functions work (well, the Tiger's functions anyway), I've installed an electric pump for my windshield washer. The original plunger had finally worn out and won't plunge any more. You know how you have to pump the manual plunger a few times to get the water out of the washer jets if you haven't used it for a while? In effect, the same thing happens with the electric pump, which is not good for this type of pump. If you run it too long (10 seconds or more for a few times) without water flowing through it, it burns out the pump. (Guess how I know that). I have to run the pump for four or five seconds, turn it off for a few seconds, run the pump a bit longer, turn it off, then on again, until water starts flowing. Which brings me to the question: Does anyone know what the function is of that "nozzle" at the end of the tube that goes inside the washer water bottle? I took the nozzle off just now to experiment and there seems to be less of a delay for the water to flow out the nozzles. There still is a five or six second or more delay though. In modern cars when you use the washer, the water comes out immediately. Any ideas about how to fix this out there? Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.10930 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From atwittsend at verizon.net Sun Oct 19 23:29:03 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:29:03 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Windshield Washer Question References: <48FC1464.4050605@cox.net> Message-ID: Steve, Many systems have an anti backflow valve (think of it as a diode for fluid). The purpose is to keep fluid from draining back in the line thus you get your fluids flowing faster to the nozzle. It should be installed after the pump. So, here are some thoughts: 1. Maybe the valve isn't working? 2. Maybe it is in backwards? 3. Maybe it is in the wrong place in the line? Can you hear the pump load after a duration of use, or is it just that you don't see any fluid for that time? I the reason I ask is that the pump is usually located below the reservoir and should basically be "primed." Anyway, hope this gives you something to consider. Tom Witt [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1733 - Release Date: 10/19/2008 6:02 PM From fastsage at cox.net Sun Oct 19 23:54:26 2008 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:54:26 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Windshield Washer Question In-Reply-To: References: <48FC1464.4050605@cox.net> Message-ID: <48FC1D12.4050701@cox.net> Tom: That's very interesting and maybe you have hit on the answer. I now have the electric pump installed behind the dash, slightly above where the old plunger, and now electric switch for the pump, comes through the dash. So now the pump is "pulling" the water all the way from the bottle to behind the dash and the pump, then up to the washer jets. Maybe I need to re-install the pump in the engine compartment next to the washer bottle, so it "pushes" the water through the hose from there. I wonder if the electric pump itself has a "check valve" of some sort in it to keep water from flowing backwards through it when it's off. That wouldn't do any good in its present location. The next question would be should I punch a hole in the bottom of the washer bottle and run a tube from there to the pump (maybe installed below the bottle)? That could feed the water by gravity to the pump, and the pump would then "push" the water through the line up to the jets. This way the pump wouldn't be deprived of water on start up so even if it still took a few seconds to get the water through the jets, the pump wouldn't be running dry during that time. I've got an extra washer bottle I can use to experiment with so I'm OK to try it. Steve Sage Thomas Witt wrote: > Steve, > Many systems have an anti backflow valve (think of it as a diode for > fluid). The purpose is to keep fluid from draining back in the line thus > you get your fluids flowing faster to the nozzle. It should be installed > after the pump. So, here are some thoughts: > 1. Maybe the valve isn't working? > 2. Maybe it is in backwards? > 3. Maybe it is in the wrong place in the line? > > Can you hear the pump load after a duration of use, or is it just that you > don't see any fluid for that time? I the reason I ask is that the pump is > usually located below the reservoir and should basically be "primed." > Anyway, hope this gives you something to consider. > Tom Witt > > > [ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.10930 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From rjw at wengco.com Mon Oct 20 05:06:33 2008 From: rjw at wengco.com (Robert J. Wanty) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:06:33 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Ammeter: AMPMETER Message-ID: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C59C2245@weco1.wengco.com> Agreed Bob B382001318 -----Original Message----- From: Marc James Small [mailto:marcsmall at comcast.net] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 8:13 PM To: Clyde McLaughlin; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Ammeter: AMPMETER At 07:03 PM 10/17/2008, Clyde McLaughlin wrote: >lISTERS, I THINK THE NEEDLES ALL POINTED UP, AND ARE 50 AMP FOR >ALTENATORS,,, HAVE AN E-TYPE, IT HAS WHITE NEEDS AND THEY POINT DOWN AND IT >IS A SMITHS GUAGE,, POSSIBLE RPL'T IF THIS IS IN YOUR TIGER, CLYDE Why are you shouting? This really is not as vital a topic as keeping Barack Obama out of the White House. Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From srwick at hotmail.com Mon Oct 20 05:34:56 2008 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:34:56 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Windshield Washer Question In-Reply-To: <48FC1464.4050605@cox.net> <48FC1D12.4050701@cox.net> References: <48FC1464.4050605@cox.net> <48FC1D12.4050701@cox.net> Message-ID: Just a personal opinion, before I punched a hole in an original washer bottle, I'd buy one of the early Mustang washer bags and try that. I think if you put a check valve on the tube that goes into the bottle and mounted the pump below the level of the bottle and near it, you'd probably be fine though. Steve (in N. ID. ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Sage To: Thomas Witt Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Windshield Washer Question Tom: That's very interesting and maybe you have hit on the answer. I now have the electric pump installed behind the dash, slightly above where the old plunger, and now electric switch for the pump, comes through the dash. So now the pump is "pulling" the water all the way from the bottle to behind the dash and the pump, then up to the washer jets. Maybe I need to re-install the pump in the engine compartment next to the washer bottle, so it "pushes" the water through the hose from there. I wonder if the electric pump itself has a "check valve" of some sort in it to keep water from flowing backwards through it when it's off. That wouldn't do any good in its present location. The next question would be should I punch a hole in the bottom of the washer bottle and run a tube from there to the pump (maybe installed below the bottle)? That could feed the water by gravity to the pump, and the pump would then "push" the water through the line up to the jets. This way the pump wouldn't be deprived of water on start up so even if it still took a few seconds to get the water through the jets, the pump wouldn't be running dry during that time. I've got an extra washer bottle I can use to experiment with so I'm OK to try it. Steve Sage Thomas Witt wrote: > Steve, > Many systems have an anti backflow valve (think of it as a diode for > fluid). The purpose is to keep fluid from draining back in the line thus > you get your fluids flowing faster to the nozzle. It should be installed > after the pump. So, here are some thoughts: > 1. Maybe the valve isn't working? > 2. Maybe it is in backwards? > 3. Maybe it is in the wrong place in the line? > > Can you hear the pump load after a duration of use, or is it just that you > don't see any fluid for that time? I the reason I ask is that the pump is > usually located below the reservoir and should basically be "primed." > Anyway, hope this gives you something to consider. > Tom Witt > > > [ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.10930 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From stubrennan at comcast.net Mon Oct 20 05:54:39 2008 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:54:39 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Windshield Washer Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000e01c932aa$aa5eabd0$6601a8c0@Brennan> Hey Guys: See my article on windshield washer pumps at: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/BrennanWasher/rt-BrennanWasher1.asp My generic pump from AutoZone sits beside the bottle and draws fluid out of the top, no problems. No need to poke holes, or use those old ugly Ford washer bags. Stu From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Oct 20 08:46:29 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:46:29 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Brake hung up Message-ID: Twice I've had my rear driver side brake hang up. I've had it apart and all mechanical parts and hand brake parts are clean and moving freely. If I bleed off some fluid at that wheel, it frees very slightly, but remains hug up. The only way that I can free up the wheel is to squeeze on the rod of the brake cylinder. So, for some reason the cylinder rod isn't returning. There is only one flexible line that feeds both rear brakes and there is no problem with the passenger side rear. I can open the bleed screw on the offending wheel and bleed out all the fluid in the system so it appears that the lines are not blocked in any way. So, is it just a matter of a cylinder rebuild? **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Oct 20 08:47:43 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:47:43 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Crossmember mods...? Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F396@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Moving the upper control arm as you suggest would do three things, assuming nothing else was adjusted: 1. Give you more negative camber, and give you more adjustment range towards negative camber 2. Increase the camber curve (suspension compression gives you increasing negative camber) 3. Increased anti-dive on the front brakes (because suspension compression is working against the torque applied by the calipers) As I understand it this modification was pretty common on Tigers that were autocrossed. Locally, Dick Auchinleck's Tiger has the holes... Theo From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Oct 20 09:37:03 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:37:03 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Brake hung up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You definitely need to pull that cylinder apart and see what it looks like. It may just have some dirt in there or it may need a rebuild. When you take the drum off make sure the brake lining is not coming off the shoes; this will cause the same symptoms. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 10:46 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Brake hung up Twice I've had my rear driver side brake hang up. I've had it apart and all mechanical parts and hand brake parts are clean and moving freely. If I bleed off some fluid at that wheel, it frees very slightly, but remains hug up. The only way that I can free up the wheel is to squeeze on the rod of the brake cylinder. So, for some reason the cylinder rod isn't returning. There is only one flexible line that feeds both rear brakes and there is no problem with the passenger side rear. I can open the bleed screw on the offending wheel and bleed out all the fluid in the system so it appears that the lines are not blocked in any way. So, is it just a matter of a cylinder rebuild? **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1734 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 7:25 AM From fastsage at cox.net Mon Oct 20 09:56:34 2008 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:56:34 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Windshield Washer Question In-Reply-To: <000e01c932aa$aa5eabd0$6601a8c0@Brennan> References: <000e01c932aa$aa5eabd0$6601a8c0@Brennan> Message-ID: <48FCAA32.3070407@cox.net> Hello Stu: For all I can remember, your write up may be where I got my idea so, if so, thanks. Although I think that Jeff Howarth sent me an electric switch years ago that I couldn't figure out how to use way back then.With the pump sitting right next to the bottle like in your set up, it looks like it should be able to pull the water out those couple of inches of tube a lot easier than the four feet or so of it my set up has to work with now. I'm switching it today and will report back to headquarters with the results. By the way, the pump I installed comes with its own bracket, so saves having to fabricate one.It's an Anco brand 65-01. It comes with adapter tubes, hoses and connectors too. The switch I used in the dash is almost the perfect solution, and less work. I got it from a NAPA parts store, PP6008. (I got the Anco pump from another independent parts store). It is a tube shaped switch, and fits right in the indentation behind the dash after you take the old pump assembly out. Even better, it has the exact same threaded piece that sticks through the dash from the back, and has the exact same knob that our stock plunger has!. The only difference is the knob that comes with it is tan so you unscrew that and screw on the stock black knob from the original plunger, no modification needed, and you're done. Steve Sage Stu Brennan wrote: > Hey Guys: > > See my article on windshield washer pumps at: > > http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/BrennanWasher/rt-BrennanWasher1.asp > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.10940 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk Mon Oct 20 13:01:26 2008 From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:01:26 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Windshield Washer Question In-Reply-To: <48FCAA32.3070407@cox.net> References: <000e01c932aa$aa5eabd0$6601a8c0@Brennan> <48FCAA32.3070407@cox.net> Message-ID: HI Steve how are you ? the switch I sent you is air operated and you can use it with the standard pump. Instead of pushing water to the jets, you push air into the switch which then closes and makes the circuit for electric washers.It keeps the standard pump in the dash although it sounds like the one you found is a good match though regards Jeff B9470974 LRX FE In message <48FCAA32.3070407 at cox.net>, Steve Sage writes >Hello Stu: >For all I can remember, your write up may be where I got my idea so, if >so, thanks. Although I think that Jeff Howarth sent me an electric >switch years ago that I couldn't figure out how to use way back >then.With the pump sitting right next to the bottle like in your set >up, it looks like it should be able to pull the water out those couple >of inches of tube a lot easier than the four feet or so of it my set up >has to work with now. I'm switching it today and will report back to >headquarters with the results. > >By the way, the pump I installed comes with its own bracket, so saves >having to fabricate one.It's an Anco brand 65-01. It comes with adapter >tubes, hoses and connectors too. The switch I used in the dash is >almost the perfect solution, and less work. I got it from a NAPA parts >store, PP6008. (I got the Anco pump from another independent parts >store). It is a tube shaped switch, and fits right in the indentation >behind the dash after you take the old pump assembly out. Even better, >it has the exact same threaded piece that sticks through the dash from >the back, and has the exact same knob that our stock plunger has!. The >only difference is the knob that comes with it is tan so you unscrew >that and screw on the stock black knob from the original plunger, no >modification needed, and you're done. > >Steve Sage > > > >Stu Brennan wrote: >> Hey Guys: >> >> See my article on windshield washer pumps at: >> >> http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/BrennanWasher/rt-BrennanWasher1.asp >> >> > > > > > >E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) >Database version: 5.10940 >http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive > -- Jeff Howarth From todbrown at roadrunner.com Mon Oct 20 13:36:49 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 15:36:49 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Windshield Washer Question Message-ID: <48FCDDD1.6070405@roadrunner.com> Interesting that Tom Witt would use the analogy of an anti-backflow valve being like a diode. When I was learning about electric circuits, the function of electric components were often explained by using analogies to fluid flow, the assumption being, I guess, that people were more familiar with hydraulics than the new-fangled electricity. Shows my age, I suspect. Anyway, I use an electric pump in my Tiger and have it mounted close to the washer bottle. It works pretty quickly when I push the switch for the same reason Tom mentions - not having as much empty tubing to "prime". Try moving the pump closer to the bottle and see if that helps. The problem might also be with the pump itself. For anyone who is contemplating this change, I found a round, momentary, pushbutton switch which fits perfectly into the old washer pump mechanism hole in the dash, Calterm #40184. I will send a pic if interested. Tod B382002384LRXFE From mmichels at socal.rr.com Tue Oct 21 01:00:17 2008 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:00:17 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] proper engine color Message-ID: <2F81C4E0736D4325BE9DCD84884D6A09@delldimension> Listers, I'm sorry if this question has been asked before, but looking at the Book Of Norman, it indicates that Mk 1s and Mk IIs after B382000600 should have "old Ford Blue." Not so simple. Duplicolor has three Ford Blue paints. DE 1601 is "Ford Blue." and is the lightest, it also appears closest to my well worn 260's paint. It is not known if it has been painted before, but there is no evidence of any other shade. it's certainly possible it's not original. DE 1621 is "Old Ford Blue" but that is considerably darker than the paint on my engine and transmission. Is this what TBON is referring to? Finally DE 1606 is "Ford Dark Blue" which seems to be much more contemporary and darkest of them all. This isn't even close and I'm certain this is not correct for Tigers. But perhaps TBON means old Ford Blue, older than what Ford was using through the 70s and into the 90s when the book was published. So can any body settle which Duplicolor product is correct? Thanks. From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Oct 21 07:59:39 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:59:39 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] proper engine color In-Reply-To: <2F81C4E0736D4325BE9DCD84884D6A09@delldimension> Message-ID: Mike Mustang detail information indicates that for 66,67,68 the engine color is Ford Blue DE-1606. Ford called this color Ford Corporate Blue I'm not an expert on the correct color and I have no examples of the different colors to tell the differences. Here are some considerations you need to be aware of; Engine code F21KA should be painted black. Engine Code B19KC; The short poll I took indicates that this engine code was painted Old Ford Blue Engine Codes A11KK and A22KK are definitely OFB Questions To you; What is the engine code for your Tiger? Do you have the Ford engine Tag? That's the small aluminum tag on the intake manifold. If so what are the numbers? What is the engine build date? That number is on a machined section just in front of the left cylinder head. All of these numbers can help determine the color. Ford switched from Black to Corporate Blue for the 1966 model year which means the color changed sometime in 1965. The exact date is probably unknown because they either used black until it was gone and phased in blue or they just cut in blue to denote the 1966 model year engine. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Michels Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:00 AM To: Tiger Email List Subject: [Tigers] proper engine color Listers, I'm sorry if this question has been asked before, but looking at the Book Of Norman, it indicates that Mk 1s and Mk IIs after B382000600 should have "old Ford Blue." Not so simple. Duplicolor has three Ford Blue paints. DE 1601 is "Ford Blue." and is the lightest, it also appears closest to my well worn 260's paint. It is not known if it has been painted before, but there is no evidence of any other shade. it's certainly possible it's not original. DE 1621 is "Old Ford Blue" but that is considerably darker than the paint on my engine and transmission. Is this what TBON is referring to? Finally DE 1606 is "Ford Dark Blue" which seems to be much more contemporary and darkest of them all. This isn't even close and I'm certain this is not correct for Tigers. But perhaps TBON means old Ford Blue, older than what Ford was using through the 70s and into the 90s when the book was published. So can any body settle which Duplicolor product is correct? Thanks. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM From laurin212 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 21 08:10:24 2008 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] tiger tranny color Message-ID: <125892.11368.qm@web53611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> not at home so dont have access to my archives on my email (i know discussed previously i am sure), but, what color is the tiger tranny painted originally? gotta keep dan williams going on my tranny he just rec'd. thks! peter From PhastPhill at aol.com Tue Oct 21 08:29:03 2008 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:29:03 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Correct Ammeter Message-ID: I thought the MKII tigers used the same ammeter as the SV alpine.. the Lucas 35/35 with the smaller font and up facing red needle B382100217 has this style Jaeger gauge. Red needle facing up and plus and minis 35 From e.coiner at cox.net Tue Oct 21 12:27:42 2008 From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:27:42 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] tiger tranny color In-Reply-To: <125892.11368.qm@web53611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081021142742.LBFUX.255561.imail@fed1rmwml43> Top loaders are not painted. The top cover was bare steel, The cast iron received a black phosphate chemical coating. but, what color is the tiger tranny painted originally? gotta keep dan williams going on my tranny he just rec'd. thks! > > peter From atwittsend at verizon.net Tue Oct 21 13:06:49 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:06:49 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] tiger tranny color References: <20081021142742.LBFUX.255561.imail@fed1rmwml43> Message-ID: >>>Top loaders are not painted. The top cover was bare steel, The cast iron >>>received a black phosphate chemical coating.<<< Thus, that would make the proper, current, color "rust." POR-15 makes a clear coat that is designed to be painted directly over rust. Therefore, you could have "rust - captured in time" as opposed to rust that eventually leads to extinction. While I say this somewhat tongue in cheek, the reality is that there is a degree of truth to it. Tom Witt [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM From mark.rense at ge.com Tue Oct 21 13:32:23 2008 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:32:23 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] tiger tranny color In-Reply-To: References: <20081021142742.LBFUX.255561.imail@fed1rmwml43> Message-ID: Tom, Now you've done it! You have opened up a real can of (rusty) worms here. I can see endless list discussions about "vintage" transmission rust verses "modern" rust, what color it should be, the correct mixture of road grime allowable in the oxide, and the appropriate thickness. Then will come the arguments towards how all this relates to the authenticity of a car being judged for TAC. Don't we have enough to worry about with that whole engine paint color thing? Just don't say anything about Salisbury rear end coatings...oops, too late! :>) Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Witt Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:07 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger tranny color >>>Top loaders are not painted. The top cover was bare steel, The cast >>>iron received a black phosphate chemical coating.<<< Thus, that would make the proper, current, color "rust." POR-15 makes a clear coat that is designed to be painted directly over rust. Therefore, you could have "rust - captured in time" as opposed to rust that eventually leads to extinction. While I say this somewhat tongue in cheek, the reality is that there is a degree of truth to it. Tom Witt From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Oct 21 15:57:16 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 17:57:16 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] proper engine color In-Reply-To: <2F81C4E0736D4325BE9DCD84884D6A09@delldimension> Message-ID: <04141AC98888473F9AFC87DABDEC354B@ronpc1> Mike Here is a web site the shows some color chips with the can #. http://www.kpg-industrial.com/products/engine_paint_with_ceramic/ I would say the DE 1606 is the correct color blue from looking at those color chips. Again the proper color depends on the Engine code number. I also say that it is your Tiger; paint the engine the color you want if the stock color does not suit you. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Michels Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:00 AM To: Tiger Email List Subject: [Tigers] proper engine color Listers, I'm sorry if this question has been asked before, but looking at the Book Of Norman, it indicates that Mk 1s and Mk IIs after B382000600 should have "old Ford Blue." Not so simple. Duplicolor has three Ford Blue paints. DE 1601 is "Ford Blue." and is the lightest, it also appears closest to my well worn 260's paint. It is not known if it has been painted before, but there is no evidence of any other shade. it's certainly possible it's not original. DE 1621 is "Old Ford Blue" but that is considerably darker than the paint on my engine and transmission. Is this what TBON is referring to? Finally DE 1606 is "Ford Dark Blue" which seems to be much more contemporary and darkest of them all. This isn't even close and I'm certain this is not correct for Tigers. But perhaps TBON means old Ford Blue, older than what Ford was using through the 70s and into the 90s when the book was published. So can any body settle which Duplicolor product is correct? Thanks. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Tue Oct 21 15:59:29 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:59:29 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] tiger tranny color In-Reply-To: References: <20081021142742.LBFUX.255561.imail@fed1rmwml43> Message-ID: <48FE50C1.6090406@SoCal.rr.com> Mark, It is my understanding that the TAC validation is provided regardless of engine/transmission size, manufacturer, or color. Those are for Concours judging. TAC just wants to assure that the car was ORIGINALLY a Tiger, vs an altered Alpine. If the other parts have been so modified that it is not possible to determine original model, then it does not get a certificate. Those "Alger" converters don't even bother to get authenticated. They would not pass the known differences, as well as the undisclosed differences. http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/tac/clone-page02.htm and http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/tac/tac1.htm Steve TAC 0289 ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) wrote: > Tom, > Now you've done it! You have opened up a real can of (rusty) worms here. > I can see endless list discussions about "vintage" transmission rust > verses "modern" rust, what color it should be, the correct mixture of > road grime allowable in the oxide, and the appropriate thickness. Then > will come the arguments towards how all this relates to the authenticity > of a car being judged for TAC. Don't we have enough to worry about with > that whole engine paint color thing? > > Just don't say anything about Salisbury rear end coatings...oops, too > late! > > :>) > Bugz From kentb at qualcomm.com Tue Oct 21 16:18:21 2008 From: kentb at qualcomm.com (Baker, Kent) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:18:21 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Proper engine color Message-ID: Might not help, but I own B382000856 (Nov '65 manufacture; sold Dec '65; and titled as a '66 MK1A) which is still in its original condition (numbers match). The 260 (B19KC) is painted black (close examination indicates it is not very aged dark blue). From strombecker at telus.net Tue Oct 21 17:27:32 2008 From: strombecker at telus.net (TM) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:27:32 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Motor mounts Message-ID: <039C3D1476DC413494B35A2C96BE4663@your55e5f9e3d2> Hi I am putting the motor back in my tiger and was wondering if there is any washers btween the cast motor hangers and the body? Also is there a washer between the heat shield and the block? Thanks Terry From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Tue Oct 21 18:01:06 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:01:06 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Motor mounts Message-ID: What color are the motor mounts. I don't want to loose points at the show. In a message dated 10/21/2008 4:28:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, strombecker at telus.net writes: Hi I am putting the motor back in my tiger and was wondering if there is any washers btween the cast motor hangers and the body? Also is there a washer between the heat shield and the block? Thanks Terry Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. 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Pacific Daylight Time, strombecker at telus.net writes: Hi I am putting the motor back in my tiger and was wondering if there is any washers btween the cast motor hangers and the body? Also is there a washer between the heat shield and the block? Thanks Terry Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive ** ******* This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Tue Oct 21 18:10:04 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:10:04 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Motor mounts Message-ID: What day was it made??? In a message dated 10/21/2008 5:09:10 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, shutchin at netjets.com writes: If we are getting serious about this.... Should an original Tiger have all working lights or not. I mean. Working lighting should really fall into the 'modified' category. Maybe 'improved' would be better. ;o) Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 ----- Original Message ----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net To: strombecker at telus.net ; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Tue Oct 21 20:01:06 2008 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Motor mounts What color are the motor mounts. I don't want to loose points at the show. In a message dated 10/21/2008 4:28:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, strombecker at telus.net writes: Hi I am putting the motor back in my tiger and was wondering if there is any washers btween the cast motor hangers and the body? Also is there a washer between the heat shield and the block? Thanks Terry Tigers at autox.team.net _http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers_ (http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers) _http://www.team.net/archive_ (http://www.team.net/archive) **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (_http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002_ (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) ) Tigers at autox.team.net _http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers_ (http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers) _http://www.team.net/archive_ (http://www.team.net/archive) ** ******* This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) From todbrown at roadrunner.com Tue Oct 21 22:22:49 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:22:49 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] proper engine color Message-ID: <48FEAA99.40800@roadrunner.com> Ron Fraser is correct with regard to the engine and transmission color. I have owned B382002384 with a B19KC engine since it was new and still have some parts with the original color on it. The color is most assuredly DE1606. Tod From jim at island.net Wed Oct 22 08:32:25 2008 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:32:25 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] tiger tranny color In-Reply-To: <20081021142742.LBFUX.255561.imail@fed1rmwml43> Message-ID: <03c601c93453$0165f9c0$4101a8c0@JIMPC> Gee...you think Dan would have known that...He's quite the character...only place I've ever dealt with that had office hours of noon to midnight...! I got a real nice Hurst Cobra repro shifter from him that looks great in the Tiger... Jim -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of e.coiner at cox.net Sent: October 21, 2008 11:28 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net; peter.laurinaitis.wg02 at wharton.upenn.edu Subject: Re: [Tigers] tiger tranny color Top loaders are not painted. The top cover was bare steel, The cast iron received a black phosphate chemical coating. but, what color is the tiger tranny painted originally? gotta keep dan williams going on my tranny he just rec'd. thks! > > peter Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From bob at hermitagewood.com Wed Oct 22 08:40:45 2008 From: bob at hermitagewood.com (bob at hermitagewood.com) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:40:45 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 302 crank pulley from March Performance Message-ID: <20081022074045.b095623660cf40184f79453d74a1c7b8.f1c6128173.wbe@email.secureserver.net> I've contacted March Performance about the four bolt 302 crank pulley from March Performance. Andy Frese mentioned pulley #1619 on the list back in 2002: h ttp://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/tigers/2002-01/msg00410.html h ttp://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/tigers/2002-01/msg00420.html March confirmed that these are listed specifically for the Sunbeam Tiger with a 302 swap. They do not have any of these in stock, but would be willing to make a few if there are buyers. New ones would be black, not the shiny clear anodized finish (although I suspect even that could change were there enough demand). For my application, black is fine, but I wouldn't object to the clear anodized version should others prefer (and March persuaded to do it). I spoke with Jeff at March Performance (888-729-9070) this morning. He suggested that a quantity of 2 or 3 would be enough that they would be willing to manufacture them. If anyone else is contemplating a 302 swap and wants one of these, give Jeff a call and email me or the list so we can coordinate orders. --Bob Bob Burruss '66 Mk1A From Rollright at aol.com Wed Oct 22 09:46:57 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:46:57 EDT Subject: [Tigers] steering u-joints Message-ID: Hello all, As all u-joints are standardized, I was wondering if anybody knew a particular vendor part # that fit the steering application. I just bought a pair from Rick but I was hoping to make a note in my journal as to a source for the "next time". As always, Best regards, Jim Armstrong **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics b check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Oct 22 10:08:47 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] 302 crank pulley from March Performance Message-ID: <472783.18522.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was messing around with a March Bottom Pully and a spacer and it comes pretty close to something that might work, It was a 4 bolt bottom and is really flat for the 'outtie' style 4 bolt 5.0 Balancer. Might be the same pulley, but mine was for a late block in early mustang. I got a harmonic balancer spacer kit (common for ford aftermarket balancers) that has about a 3/8" spacer (from memory) and it seems to be something that might work as well for using a more standard march bottom pulley. Also Dale has them as well as I think Paul Reisnets (spelling) and price was not that bad when all said and done they can make it exacly what you need. I'm running a flat fast aftermarket balancer with Dales set up, but he has them in either flat face aftermaket offset or late model 5.0 style. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "bob at hermitagewood.com" To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 7:40:45 AM Subject: [Tigers] 302 crank pulley from March Performance I've contacted March Performance about the four bolt 302 crank pulley from March Performance. Andy Frese mentioned pulley #1619 on the list back in 2002: h ttp://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/tigers/2002-01/msg00410.html h ttp://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/tigers/2002-01/msg00420.html March confirmed that these are listed specifically for the Sunbeam Tiger with a 302 swap. They do not have any of these in stock, but would be willing to make a few if there are buyers. New ones would be black, not the shiny clear anodized finish (although I suspect even that could change were there enough demand). For my application, black is fine, but I wouldn't object to the clear anodized version should others prefer (and March persuaded to do it). I spoke with Jeff at March Performance (888-729-9070) this morning. He suggested that a quantity of 2 or 3 would be enough that they would be willing to manufacture them. If anyone else is contemplating a 302 swap and wants one of these, give Jeff a call and email me or the list so we can coordinate orders. --Bob Bob Burruss '66 Mk1A _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From bob at hermitagewood.com Wed Oct 22 10:33:08 2008 From: bob at hermitagewood.com (bob at hermitagewood.com) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:33:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 302 crank pulley from March Performance Message-ID: <20081022093308.b095623660cf40184f79453d74a1c7b8.6f783f1331.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Thanks Sandy, you are quite correct. Paul Reisentz has them on his website and the price is as good or lower than I was seeing mentioned for the March pulley in the list archives. I think I had seen that a couple of months ago when I spoke with Paul and yet I let it slip from memory. I appreciate the tip! --Bob -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Tigers] 302 crank pulley from March Performance From: Sandy Ganz Date: Wed, October 22, 2008 9:08 am To: bob at hermitagewood.com, tigers at autox.team.net I was messing around with a March Bottom Pully and a spacer and it comes pretty close to something that might work, It was a 4 bolt bottom and is really flat for the 'outtie' style 4 bolt 5.0 Balancer. Might be the same pulley, but mine was for a late block in early mustang. I got a harmonic balancer spacer kit (common for ford aftermarket balancers) that has about a 3/8" spacer (from memory) and it seems to be something that might work as well for using a more standard march bottom pulley. Also Dale has them as well as I think Paul Reisnets (spelling) and price was not that bad when all said and done they can make it exacly what you need. I'm running a flat fast aftermarket balancer with Dales set up, but he has them in either flat face aftermaket offset or late model 5.0 style. Sandy From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Wed Oct 22 13:16:32 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:16:32 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 302 crank pulley from March Performance In-Reply-To: <20081022093308.b095623660cf40184f79453d74a1c7b8.6f783f1331.wbe@email.secureserver.net> References: <20081022093308.b095623660cf40184f79453d74a1c7b8.6f783f1331.wbe@email.secureserver.net> Message-ID: <48FF7C10.3030702@SoCal.rr.com> Tigers, Paul is located just down the street from Sunbeam Specialties. His contact info is: Paul Reisentz 765-C McGlincy Lane Campbell, CA 95008 1-408-309-9624 paul at reisentzrestorations.com ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com bob at hermitagewood.com wrote: > Thanks Sandy, you are quite correct. Paul Reisentz has them on his > website and the price is as good or lower than I was seeing mentioned > for the March pulley in the list archives. I think I had seen that > a couple of months ago when I spoke with Paul and yet I let it slip > from memory. I appreciate the tip! > > --Bob From garywinblad at comcast.net Wed Oct 22 14:37:02 2008 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:37:02 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] 302 crank pulley from March Performance Message-ID: <102220082037.5545.48FF8EED000F1E17000015A922155751140B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net> Paul's shop is in the SAME building as SS!! -------------- Original message -------------- From: Steve Laifman > Tigers, > > Paul is located just down the street from Sunbeam Specialties. > > > His contact info is: > Paul Reisentz > 765-C McGlincy Lane > Campbell, CA 95008 > 1-408-309-9624 > paul at reisentzrestorations.com > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Oct 22 15:41:45 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:41:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] proper engine color In-Reply-To: <48FEAA99.40800@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: DE1606 is the color the Mustang catalogs list for the blocks. The other Ford blue colors are for valve covers and such which is not a concern with Tigers. The short poll I took about the Color of B19KC blocks came back mostly Ford Blue but there are a couple of Black entries. This makes me wonder if Ford cut in the Corporate Blue during this block of engines; I have not pieced that together. It is possible more clues are in the Ford micro films that Norm shows on his web site. Here is what is know; Ford Corporate Blue was used for the 1966 model year, previously the engine blocks were painted black. The 66 model year for production starts in July or August 1965 to have 66 models ready for sale in September. Ford put Rev level 9 on the aluminum engine tags which seems to correspond with the color change. Tiger engine code B19KC = February 19, 1965 The first B19KC engine listed in TBON has a Tiger build date of Aug 14,1965 and this build of engines lasts to the end of the MKI build, Dec 30, 1966. The question here would be; were any of the B19KC engines built during the Ford change over period or later and did they switch to Ford Blue Paint? This is where the engine tag numbers and the engine build date code become important to decipher this. I truly do not know if there is an absolute answer for this but it is interesting to me. Does that make me a TRIVIA GEEK??? Ron Fraser From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Wed Oct 22 18:54:37 2008 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:54:37 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Pulleys Message-ID: <004a01c934a9$ec916a00$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> Listers. I have used a March set of pulleys for a 3 bolt early Mustang on my Tiger, but had to modify the crank pulley by cutting on a lathe and rewelding and smoothing to get the correct shorted depth, adjusted the waterpump pulley slightly with the flange on the pump shaft, I did this when converting to an altenator, adjusted altenator spacing with the mounts, painted everything black and it looks stock, used the HIPO 4" pulley from NPD, Clyde From achd73 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 21:25:17 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] proper engine color In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <204053.66686.qm@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ron- just makes you a valuable member of this and the other groups to which you have donated time, pics and much help to many. THANKS from me and Im sure I speak for many. TonytheTiger --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Ron Fraser wrote: > From: Ron Fraser > Subject: Re: [Tigers] proper engine color > To: "'Tod Brown'" , tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 4:41 PM > DE1606 is the color the Mustang catalogs list for the > blocks. > The other Ford blue colors are for valve covers and such > which is not a > concern with Tigers. > > The short poll I took about the Color of B19KC blocks came > back mostly Ford > Blue but there are a couple of Black entries. > > This makes me wonder if Ford cut in the Corporate Blue > during this block of > engines; I have not pieced that together. > It is possible more clues are in the Ford micro films that > Norm shows on his > web site. > > Here is what is know; > > Ford Corporate Blue was used for the 1966 model year, > previously the engine > blocks were painted black. > The 66 model year for production starts in July or August > 1965 to have 66 > models ready for sale in September. > Ford put Rev level 9 on the aluminum engine tags which > seems to correspond > with the color change. > > Tiger engine code B19KC = February 19, 1965 > The first B19KC engine listed in TBON has a Tiger build > date of Aug 14,1965 > and this build of engines lasts to the end of the MKI > build, Dec 30, 1966. > > The question here would be; were any of the B19KC engines > built during the > Ford change over period or later and did they switch to > Ford Blue Paint? > > This is where the engine tag numbers and the engine build > date code become > important to decipher this. > > I truly do not know if there is an absolute answer for this > but it is > interesting to me. > > Does that make me a TRIVIA GEEK??? > > Ron Fraser > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From fastsage at cox.net Thu Oct 23 00:16:06 2008 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:16:06 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Windshield Washer Success! Message-ID: <490016A6.6070906@cox.net> As suggested, I reinstalled my electric washer motor right next to the bottle under the hood today (I had it behind the dash before that). There's still a slight delay (maybe two or three seconds) before the water comes out of the jets the first time I pull the on/off switch, but it's much better.than before. I'm running it without the "check valve" at the end of the hose that goes in the washer bottle. I'm going to try it with the valve tomorrow to see if I can get rid of the delay entirely, but it is much better now. Thanks for the help everyone. Steve Sage E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.10960 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From awtiger at cox.net Thu Oct 23 07:46:57 2008 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 9:46:57 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] proper engine color In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081023094657.I5NPX.90254.imail@eastrmwml37> Ron: Great info and kudos to you for going the extra mile an researching this. I now feel that I can proceed with confidence when I restore the engine compartment of my Tiger. Thanks, Andy Walker B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Oct 23 08:01:17 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:01:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] proper engine color In-Reply-To: <204053.66686.qm@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8B53C263D69D479597EE57AFD2887477@ronpc1> Thanks TonytheTiger I would like to figure this one out. I believe the B19KC engines started out painted black and then switched to Ford blue. To determine this I would need the following information for B19KC engines: 1 all the numbers on the aluminum Ford engine tag 2 the engine build date code; the #s and letters on the machined pad in front of the left cyl head 3 the current color of the block and whether or not you think it is original 4 you can include the Tiger serial # if you want; I'm not that concerned about that number Also any MKII owners; your engine code is either A11KK or A22KK, if you have the original Ford engine tag I would like to know all the #s on the tag to confirm I can decipher this history in a meaningful way. Send the information off line if you prefer. I will try to sort it all out and report a summary to the list. Thanks for your help Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Tony Somebody [mailto:achd73 at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 11:25 PM To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; Tony Someone; Beamclub Subject: Re: [Tigers] proper engine color Ron- just makes you a valuable member of this and the other groups to which you have donated time, pics and much help to many. THANKS from me and Im sure I speak for many. TonytheTiger From cmccann at lwpb.com Thu Oct 23 08:49:31 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:49:31 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers and Jeep parts? Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647338A0893FF@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Friends, I recall in past conversations that certain jeeps, maybe postal jeeps (?), often provide some unique components for some Tiger projects, could someone please refresh my memory as to what this connection is? Thanks! Cullen From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Oct 23 08:59:02 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:59:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers and Jeep parts? In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647338A0893FF@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: <051DE432E02C40778CD309B9A80F3B4A@ronpc1> Cullen I think the only connection is the Dana 44 differential. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:50 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tigers and Jeep parts? Friends, I recall in past conversations that certain jeeps, maybe postal jeeps (?), often provide some unique components for some Tiger projects, could someone please refresh my memory as to what this connection is? Thanks! Cullen No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1741 - Release Date: 10/23/2008 7:54 AM From cmccann at lwpb.com Thu Oct 23 09:01:52 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:01:52 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers and Jeep parts? In-Reply-To: <051DE432E02C40778CD309B9A80F3B4A@ronpc1> References: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647338A0893FF@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> <051DE432E02C40778CD309B9A80F3B4A@ronpc1> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647338A089410@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Thanks Ron, is there any cause to think that postal jeeps are frequently/always positraction? Is the track width of the dana supposed to be the same so it could be directly installed? Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tigers and Jeep parts? Cullen I think the only connection is the Dana 44 differential. Ron Fraser Subject: [Tigers] Tigers and Jeep parts? Friends, I recall in past conversations that certain jeeps, maybe postal jeeps (?), often provide some unique components for some Tiger projects, could someone please refresh my memory as to what this connection is? Thanks! Cullen From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Oct 23 09:16:53 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:16:53 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers and Jeep parts? In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647338A089410@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: Cullen I have no idea and no experience with the postal Jeeps. Ron -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 11:02 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers and Jeep parts? Thanks Ron, is there any cause to think that postal jeeps are frequently/always positraction? Is the track width of the dana supposed to be the same so it could be directly installed? Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tigers and Jeep parts? Cullen I think the only connection is the Dana 44 differential. Ron Fraser Subject: [Tigers] Tigers and Jeep parts? Friends, I recall in past conversations that certain jeeps, maybe postal jeeps (?), often provide some unique components for some Tiger projects, could someone please refresh my memory as to what this connection is? Thanks! Cullen No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1741 - Release Date: 10/23/2008 7:54 AM From cmccann at lwpb.com Thu Oct 23 09:20:07 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:20:07 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers and Jeep parts? In-Reply-To: References: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647338A089410@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647338A089425@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Thanks Ron, I understand. is it convenient for anyone to give me a dimension of the Tiger Dana, from some measurable point, like flange to flange or back of backing plate? The original rear end for my Tiger is long gone.. Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tigers and Jeep parts? Cullen I have no idea and no experience with the postal Jeeps. Ron -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 11:02 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers and Jeep parts? Thanks Ron, is there any cause to think that postal jeeps are frequently/always positraction? Is the track width of the dana supposed to be the same so it could be directly installed? Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tigers and Jeep parts? Cullen I think the only connection is the Dana 44 differential. Ron Fraser Subject: [Tigers] Tigers and Jeep parts? Friends, I recall in past conversations that certain jeeps, maybe postal jeeps (?), often provide some unique components for some Tiger projects, could someone please refresh my memory as to what this connection is? Thanks! Cullen No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1741 - Release Date: 10/23/2008 7:54 AM From cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 23 09:50:32 2008 From: cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net (Chris Richards) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tigers and Jeep parts? In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647338A089425@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: <846674.38520.qm@web83202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a postal jeep rear diff here. Axle flange to flange it is about 3/4 inch narrower than the Tiger Rear Diff. Also, it has larger diameter brakes and Ford Truck wheel pattern. Regards-Chris Thanks Ron, I understand. is it convenient for anyone to give me a dimension of the Tiger Dana, from some measurable point, like flange to flange or back of backing plate? The original rear end for my Tiger is long gone.. From cmccann at lwpb.com Thu Oct 23 09:56:11 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:56:11 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers and Jeep parts? In-Reply-To: <846674.38520.qm@web83202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647338A089425@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> <846674.38520.qm@web83202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647338A08943A@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Thanks Chris! thats interesting....sounds like it might even give you a little more room for tire? ( not that we can get much under there, but maybe the difference in offset would help?) Chris - so it is posi? Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers and Jeep parts? I have a postal jeep rear diff here. Axle flange to flange it is about 3/4 inch narrower than the Tiger Rear Diff. Also, it has larger diameter brakes and Ford Truck wheel pattern. Regards-Chris Thanks Ron, I understand. is it convenient for anyone to give me a dimension of the Tiger Dana, from some measurable point, like flange to flange or back of backing plate? The original rear end for my Tiger is long gone.. Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 23 10:06:27 2008 From: cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net (Chris Richards) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Pulleys In-Reply-To: <004a01c934a9$ec916a00$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> Message-ID: <371564.76618.qm@web83201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Summit has a crank dampner that works fine. There is a casting vein that needs to be trimmed on the Tiger Timing cover for clearance of the 50 oz. dampner. Comes set up with 3 or 4 hole pulley mounts and adapters for other spacing (not needed with the 3 inch stock 260-289-302 height). Part number is SUM-163289 $69.95 plus shipping. Chris Listers. I have used a March set of pulleys for a 3 bolt early Mustang on my Tiger, but had to modify the crank pulley by cutting on a lathe and rewelding and smoothing to get the correct shorted depth, adjusted the waterpump pulley............. , Clyde From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Thu Oct 23 12:49:08 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:49:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers and Jeep parts? In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647338A08943A@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> References: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647338A089425@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> <846674.38520.qm@web83202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647338A08943A@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: <4900C724.2000303@SoCal.rr.com> Cullen, I am not sure that the previous communications on your interest in Postal Jeeps was completely addressed. I do NOT think any of the responses, or measurements, dealt with the whole rear axle, but only the "pumpkin". I understand the Jeep DANA pumpkin will exactly replace the DANA-Salisbury original differential gear set. Salisbury is part of the DANA organization. I have the Salisbury version which is slightly different from the US version. It was stock on some Jaguars, and the rear end ring gear bolt mounts are the same as the original Tiger. The differential gear holding bolts on the Jeep unit will not fit the stock ring gear, but special bolts head/shank diameters are available through most suppliers and installers. Similarly, other than 2.88:1 ratios gear sets from US Dana will fit the Salisbury ring mount with another special bolt set. I do not believe that any of the previous communications were addressing the entire rear axle. ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Cullen McCann wrote: > Thanks Chris! thats interesting....sounds like it might even give you a little > more room for tire? ( not that we can get much under there, but maybe the > difference in offset would help?) > > Chris - so it is posi? > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers and Jeep parts? > > I have a postal jeep rear diff here. Axle flange to flange it is about 3/4 > inch narrower than the Tiger Rear Diff. Also, it has larger diameter brakes > and Ford Truck wheel pattern. > > Regards-Chris > > > > Thanks Ron, I understand. is it convenient for anyone to give me a dimension > of the Tiger Dana, from some measurable point, like flange to flange or back > of backing plate? The original rear end for my Tiger is long gone.. From cmccann at lwpb.com Thu Oct 23 13:03:37 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:03:37 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers and Jeep parts? In-Reply-To: <4900C724.2000303@SoCal.rr.com> References: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647338A089425@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> <846674.38520.qm@web83202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647338A08943A@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> <4900C724.2000303@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647338A089492@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Thanks Steve, I will consider the information carefully. I have had some of the "regulars" contact me off-list and a couple were under the impression that there was also a spline difference in the jeep carrier vs the one that came stock on a Tiger. Reason for my inquiry, I do have access to at least 2 older retired postal jeeps, and they could be purchased for next to nothing.....and I dont have my original Tiger rear end. I once had planned on installing this Jaguar rear that I have, and have probably decided it would be in the best interest of my project not to modify the body that much, although I have seen several jag IRS rears installed and looked great. ( I dont have any of the original drivetrain components and im not restoring my car ) but I have other projects now and I dont want to cut up my Tiger too much. I would be interested in the Jeep rear if the entire rear end housing could be used, otherwise, I might just pursue the pumpkin for resale on the posi units, again, if applicable. I will say its not critical to me to install the original type rear end ( dana 44) on the car, and I plan on running more than the original power level...so im trying to keep my options open. I am running a ford 9" in my pro street chevy, an 8.8 ford in my cobra and my 5.0 stang, and in my 63 Falcon...., and have never had any trouble with them at all...but they are probably bigger rear ends than what I would need right? Cullen, I am not sure that the previous communications on your interest in Postal Jeeps was completely addressed. I do NOT think any of the responses, or measurements, dealt with the whole rear axle, but only the "pumpkin". I understand the Jeep DANA pumpkin will exactly replace the DANA-Salisbury original differential gear set. Salisbury is part of the DANA organization. I have the Salisbury version which is slightly different from the US version. It was stock on some Jaguars, and the rear end ring gear bolt mounts are the same as the original Tiger. The differential gear holding bolts on the Jeep unit will not fit the stock ring gear, but special bolts head/shank diameters are available through most suppliers and installers. Similarly, other than 2.88:1 ratios gear sets from US Dana will fit the Salisbury ring mount with another special bolt set. I do not believe that any of the previous communications were addressing the entire rear axle. ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Cullen McCann wrote: Thanks Chris! thats interesting....sounds like it might even give you a little more room for tire? ( not that we can get much under there, but maybe the difference in offset would help?) Chris - so it is posi? Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers and Jeep parts? I have a postal jeep rear diff here. Axle flange to flange it is about 3/4 inch narrower than the Tiger Rear Diff. Also, it has larger diameter brakes and Ford Truck wheel pattern. Regards-Chris Thanks Ron, I understand. is it convenient for anyone to give me a dimension of the Tiger Dana, from some measurable point, like flange to flange or back of backing plate? The original rear end for my Tiger is long gone.. From atwittsend at verizon.net Thu Oct 23 10:04:05 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:04:05 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] RE Tiger sand Jeeps parts? Message-ID: Cullen, First, Chris corrected me. My comment on the postal rear end was that it was too wide. He has one and he must be right in that it is a bit narrow. He might better confirm what else I stated. As I said, "I recalled" and my recollection is getting old. :-) I measured backing plate to backing plate and I get 46-1/2" on the Tiger. I'm doing a Turbo 2.3 Pinto and had to swap in a Ford 8". I thought this might work for you, but the same backing plate to backing plate measurements are 51". To my knowledge the Pinto/Mustang II 8" is the narrowest Ford rearend available. There is some speculation that the Maverick 8" is 1/2" shorter, but I have never confirmed this. In either case that amount is a lot to compensate for. Wheel offset would give that "front drive look," and likely not allow for tire rotation. Tom > Thanks Ron, I understand. is it convenient for anyone to give me a > dimension > of the Tiger Dana, from some measurable point, like flange to flange or > back > of backing plate? The original rear end for my Tiger is long gone.. [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Message-ID: I seem to remember that the only issue preventing direct swaps was the Jeep use coarse spline axles while the Tiger use fine spine. Dave In a message dated 10/23/2008 11:00:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time, cmccann at lwpb.com writes: Thanks Chris! thats interesting....sounds like it might even give you a little more room for tire? ( not that we can get much under there, but maybe the difference in offset would help?) Chris - so it is posi? Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers and Jeep parts? I have a postal jeep rear diff here. Axle flange to flange it is about 3/4 inch narrower than the Tiger Rear Diff. Also, it has larger diameter brakes and Ford Truck wheel pattern. Regards-Chris Thanks Ron, I understand. is it convenient for anyone to give me a dimension of the Tiger Dana, from some measurable point, like flange to flange or back of backing plate? The original rear end for my Tiger is long gone.. Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics b check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) From atwittsend at verizon.net Thu Oct 23 09:47:56 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:47:56 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers and Jeep parts? References: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647338A0893FF@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: Hi Cullen, I recall looking at the postal Jeep rearends a number of years ago. My Tiger had water in the rearend, shot bearings and a rather sad set of gears. My recollection was: The postal Jeep rearend was too wide The spring perches were on top of, rather than under the axle tube It had a 5 lug bolt pattern The ratios were for the 15" tire I believe they had (mid to high 3:00's) There is one Jeep item I would like for my Tiger. It is their T-178 (1980-1986) version of the Toploader. It has 3.01, 2.08, 1.47, 1.00 ratios. Running these gears with tall rear tires (for getting to events) would give an equivalent of a wide ratio first gear and an overdrive equivalent in fourth gear. Basically it is a "wider" ratio that the standard wide ratio trans, but does not have the large spread between 2nd and 3rd like undesirable the Ford overdrive Toploaders. 8 years and still looking. Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1741 - Release Date: 10/23/2008 7:54 AM From atwittsend at verizon.net Thu Oct 23 20:14:34 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:14:34 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers and Jeep parts? References: Message-ID: <9FF95599BA7E44F6895B02B312743483@student2> Cullen, I found this a while ago. Thought it might be of some help as it list many rear end sizes. http://hot-rod.com.au/builder/techrear-trackwidth.html Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1741 - Release Date: 10/23/2008 7:54 AM From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Oct 23 21:08:09 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:08:09 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Any ideas? Message-ID: I took my engine out and have it in a local shop. A rattling noise had appeared and it seemed to be coming from the passenger side rockers. Cover was removed and everything found to be fine. So engine out. The engine is a 302 stroked to 331. Hydraulic cam and roller rockers. The rattling is heard at idle, but can't be heard when revved a little. The pan is off and all the bottom end appears normal. The intake is off and everything that can be seen appears okay. Any ideas of what could be causing the noise? They did find that there is more end play than there should be but doesn't appear that this is causing the noise. The wrench guy heard that sometimes Centerforce clutches can create a rattling noise. Centerforce tech guys say they never heard of it, but some on-line mechanics say that they've found that they can rattle. Any thoughts of what could cause the noise? Mark **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics b check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Oct 23 21:49:52 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:49:52 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Any ideas? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1E908A0B4EFB413089A2D3F66533AD1E@ronpc1> Mark Can the local shop put the engine and transmission on a test bed an run the engine? That should tell you if the noise is from the engine and where. Are you running a 4bbl carb? Could it be rubbing on the firewall? There might be a rub mark on the firewall if that was happening. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 11:08 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Any ideas? I took my engine out and have it in a local shop. A rattling noise had appeared and it seemed to be coming from the passenger side rockers. Cover was removed and everything found to be fine. So engine out. The engine is a 302 stroked to 331. Hydraulic cam and roller rockers. The rattling is heard at idle, but can't be heard when revved a little. The pan is off and all the bottom end appears normal. The intake is off and everything that can be seen appears okay. Any ideas of what could be causing the noise? They did find that there is more end play than there should be but doesn't appear that this is causing the noise. The wrench guy heard that sometimes Centerforce clutches can create a rattling noise. Centerforce tech guys say they never heard of it, but some on-line mechanics say that they've found that they can rattle. Any thoughts of what could cause the noise? Mark **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics b check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1742 - Release Date: 10/23/2008 3:29 PM From sganz at pacbell.net Thu Oct 23 21:59:34 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:59:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Any ideas? Message-ID: <320970.24936.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have seen the Centerforce rattle thing somewhere on the web, but can't confirm it. I had one in a IH Scout a long time ago and never really like the idea of the weights, just didn't seem right. Never had a problem with it however. Did you also check other things in that area? Throw out bearing, trans pilot bearing, things hitting or rattling with the motor while at idle when it might be a bit rough i.e., clutch linkage, exhaust. Also lifters and rockers. Cam thrustplate, etc. All speculation, but easy to start with the pressure plate, I think you can remove the weights pretty easy, if they have an engine stand they could fire it and see without it being in the car. Given that it's a pain to pull it might be worth finding a dyno to get it going and save the put in pull out exercise if you can spare the $$. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "CoolVT at aol.com" To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:08:09 PM Subject: [Tigers] Any ideas? I took my engine out and have it in a local shop. A rattling noise had appeared and it seemed to be coming from the passenger side rockers. Cover was removed and everything found to be fine. So engine out. The engine is a 302 stroked to 331. Hydraulic cam and roller rockers. The rattling is heard at idle, but can't be heard when revved a little. The pan is off and all the bottom end appears normal. The intake is off and everything that can be seen appears okay. Any ideas of what could be causing the noise? They did find that there is more end play than there should be but doesn't appear that this is causing the noise. The wrench guy heard that sometimes Centerforce clutches can create a rattling noise. Centerforce tech guys say they never heard of it, but some on-line mechanics say that they've found that they can rattle. Any thoughts of what could cause the noise? Mark **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics b check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Oct 23 23:28:12 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:28:12 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers for sale in USA Message-ID: This guy seesm to have a few tigers for sale in various levels of condition: http://www.carsbikesboats.com/inventory.cfml?type2=Cars%20and%20Trucks B9473127LROFE - http://images.iimanager.com/vdata/carsbikesboatscom/271565_x640_05.jpg http://images.iimanager.com/vdata/carsbikesboatscom/243969_x640_02.jpg http://www.autorevolution.com/inv/piccollage.cfm?adid=122978 -- Regards Michael King From tiger at sabr2th.com Fri Oct 24 06:52:12 2008 From: tiger at sabr2th.com (Sabr2th) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:52:12 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Book of Norman on eBay Message-ID: Thought you might like to know there's a Book of Norman on eBay. It closes Sunday night. Happy bidding. Mark From CoolVT at aol.com Fri Oct 24 06:55:35 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:55:35 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Any ideas? Message-ID: The weights are definitely a consideration. The Centerforce tech people say they are there just for very high performance situations and that they can be removed and no difference will be felt....a little strange. I agree that a ride on a dyno would be preferable to fitting and removing a few more times. The ironic thing is that I had it run before installing just to avoid this situation. The problem developed after about 400 miles. M **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics b check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) From cmccann at lwpb.com Fri Oct 24 07:07:18 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:07:18 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers for sale in USA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647338A08953D@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> It's funny on the ads the way he describes the cars...he tells you all about it and then tells you at the end that its gone.....most people usually just say sold, or delete the ad completey....lol. "1965 Other Tiger Sunbeam Tiger - 1965 Sunbeam Tiger 260 V-8 4speed complete original car some rust needing restored. I also have a complete rust free Southern California Alpine available. Too late on both. Greg from right here in Austin will be vintage racing with this Tiger after a little resoration work...... $12,900" Also, the red car for 5995 looks really famililar, I think its been on ePay like 3 times.....I dont know if its the same seller and he never sold it or each time it sells, someone else is selling it...who knows. Cullen 1452 LROFE This guy seesm to have a few tigers for sale in various levels of condition: http://www.carsbikesboats.com/inventory.cfml?type2=Cars%20and%20Trucks B9473127LROFE - http://images.iimanager.com/vdata/carsbikesboatscom/271565_x640_05.jpg http://images.iimanager.com/vdata/carsbikesboatscom/243969_x640_02.jpg http://www.autorevolution.com/inv/piccollage.cfm?adid=122978 From cmccann at lwpb.com Fri Oct 24 07:17:07 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:17:07 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers and Jeep parts? In-Reply-To: <9FF95599BA7E44F6895B02B312743483@student2> References: <9FF95599BA7E44F6895B02B312743483@student2> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647338A089545@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Thanks everyone for the info on the postal jeep rear ends...Ive gotten lots of good info, both on list and off list...I think I have enough info to at least make an educated decision. There are definitely some pros and cons to be considered, especially for me since Im not fully dedicated to the original rear end...I'm still trying to decide what direction to go, but now it's not for a lack of information... thanks again... Cullen Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers and Jeep parts? Cullen, I found this a while ago. Thought it might be of some help as it list many rear end sizes. http://hot-rod.com.au/builder/techrear-trackwidth.html Tom From jim at island.net Fri Oct 24 11:25:58 2008 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:25:58 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Front spring ideas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007301c935fd$94513dc0$4101a8c0@JIMPC> Just wondering if anyone has tried to put a set of these in their front end... http://qa1.thomasnet.com/viewitems/rbers-shock-absorbers-adjustable-mustang- ii-system/k-absorbers-adjustable-mustang-ii-system-ms-series?&plpver=1001&fo rward=1 Spring free length is 8" and top o.d. is 4 5/8" Jim From stevendavidsonesq at comcast.net Fri Oct 24 18:15:20 2008 From: stevendavidsonesq at comcast.net (Steven E. Davidson) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:15:20 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger For Sale - Pleasanton, CA Message-ID: <591E041936464076B112347E3304A84F@winxp3pvzcevzk> I am helping a friend sell her Tiger. She learned to drive in an Alpine, always wanted a Tiger (like the rest of us) and finally bought this car about 8 years ago in Santa Rosa. She painted it baby blue over color code 100 and it has been garaged since. She isn't driving it enough and has decided to sell. It is a 66 MK 1A, B382001903, TAC 679, Lo mileage rust free California car. Recent soft top, 4bbl 260 4 speed with original 2.88's. Looks and drives nice right now. It needs a few inexpensive details fixed now that are not expensive and would make a great base for a restoration. For Northern California interested buyers it is currently at Tom Hall's house in Pleasanton where it was recently TAC'd. $27,500. sedesq at hotmail.com From atwittsend at verizon.net Fri Oct 24 20:10:54 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:10:54 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers for sale in USA References: Message-ID: <9EEEE0C6D6E8405EBF8032A96C157046@student2> (from ad for the gutted Tiger): This guy is full of "wonderful" (not) ideas. >>>All of the important Tiger parts are here, The body is very rusty, It >>>would be easy to find a nice Alpine donor car to rebody this Tiger >>>with,...<<< >>>I would put this Tiger away in a corner and keep an eye out for a rust >>>free Alpine body... <<< Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1744 - Release Date: 10/24/2008 6:08 PM From CoolVT at aol.com Sat Oct 25 07:58:45 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:58:45 EDT Subject: [Tigers] from Mark Message-ID: Steve, This is what Tigers are in Vermont....a pretty conservative forum. Mark _http://www.vermonttiger.com/_ (http://www.vermonttiger.com/) **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics b check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) From CoolVT at aol.com Sat Oct 25 08:05:47 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 10:05:47 EDT Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: My apologies for my last post. It was sent to the wrong address. Mark L **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics b check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) From garywinblad at comcast.net Sat Oct 25 09:21:43 2008 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 15:21:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] RE Tiger sand Jeeps parts? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1494499559.1233881224948103669.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Ten years ago I had an Alger conversion I bought from a young guy. For a rear-end, he sent the Alpine axle to Currie and had them make an 8 inch to directly replace it.B It looked and worked great.B I forget what he said it cost but I thought it sounded really reasonable. They are still in business and say they have made tens of thousands of special order rearends.B They might still have the specs to build the Alger one!B http://www.currieenterprises.com/cestore/default_crate.aspx Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Witt" To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:04:05 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [Tigers] RE B Tiger sand Jeeps parts? Cullen, B First, Chris corrected me. My comment on the postal rear end was that it was too wide. B He has one and he must be right in that it is a bit narrow. He might better confirm what else I stated. As I said, "I recalled" and my recollection is getting old. :-) I measured backing plate to backing plate and I get 46-1/2" on the Tiger. I'm doing a Turbo 2.3 Pinto and had to swap in a Ford 8". B I thought this might work for you, but the same backing plate to backing plate measurements are 51". B To my knowledge the Pinto/Mustang II B 8" is the narrowest Ford rearend available. There is some speculation that the Maverick 8" is 1/2" shorter, but I have never confirmed this. In either case that amount is a lot to compensate for. Wheel offset would give that "front drive look," and likely not allow for tire rotation. Tom > Thanks Ron, I understand. is it convenient for anyone to give me a > dimension > of the Tiger Dana, from some measurable point, like flange to flange or > back > of backing plate? The original rear end for my Tiger is long gone.. From marcsmall at comcast.net Sun Oct 19 19:00:06 2008 From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 21:00:06 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] S.U. Electric Fuel Pumps and Down-Draft Carbs In-Reply-To: <20081020000425.VOMR3522.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> References: <48FB80CE.2050205@cox.net> <20081020000425.VOMR3522.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: <20081020011425.4114918763E@autox.team.net> The U.S. Army had distressing results on heavy armored vehicles with mechanical fuel pumps and carburetter systems, from the M3 Grant through the M26 and M41 lines. So, when they went over to the improved M46/47, they adopted a mechaical fuel-injection system for the tanks but went with an S.U. electric fuel pump on the carburetted recovery vehicle version of the M48/M6, the M88 gasser. This was later replaced by a diesel version when the Army got petrol off the battlefield -- after all, it properly belongs in the tanks of Alpines and Tigers! The Army's experience with these S.U. fuel pumps was a glowing satisfaction at a piece of excellence properly designed and properly built, with clean instructions on maintenance and clear explanations for how to fix problems. S.U. pumps were the delight of the Army's motor pools for several decades and we were sorry to see them go, so reliable and sturdy they were. Now, on to carbs. There are two basic systems for carburetion. One relies on "constant volume" of air pushed through it. These are the carbs most of us know. I would cheerfully argue that this design reached its peak with the 28 PCI from the Deutxcher Vergasser Gesellschaft, sold under the Solex brand. But others took a stab at making them, from Carter and Holley to Zenith and lesser-known works such as Ford. These carbs have the virtue that they can be built for a single application, with preset everything, or can be made to allow everything to be replaced, from venturi tubes to all of the six or eight jets in the various circuits. The alternate is the "constant downdraft" carb, where the volume varies but changes to allow a maintenance of a steady pressure of air moving into the engine. S.U. made these first but the design peaks with the Stromberg CD (get it? "constant downdraft") line of carbs. These were the acme of their design. CD carbs provide better power and better fuel efficiency but need a lot of careful attention to detail in selecting the right needle. (I once made a VERY good friend by providing him the specs and order number for the needles needed for his Alpine V after he moved from sea level to Denver. He is dead now, but his widow and I are very much still in touch -- I have the only surviving copy of his memoirs though, in light of my latest move, I cannot find it ...) Consider a premier carb such as a Weber. These are grand carbs but you have to have a shop near you with all of the various tubes and jets on hand. You really have to fiddle with these: there just is no general solution. But, then, once you get them set up right, they are deathless and will go on going on for 75,000 miles (3,227,984 kg for our metric friends ) or so, when wear on the engine will start to lead to some bleeding and loss of compression, and then you've either got to rebuild the mill or tweak the carb. The same goes for the humble but kind Solex 28 PCI: I have lost my kit of jets and my supply of bodies and parts in my last divorce, but nil nisi bonum mortuis. But there was a time when I contemplated putting a 28 PCI on each of the cylinders of my Alpine V. It would have been a terror -- no venturi tubes, just some filing, 140 mains, and let's gut it out. Or think of four S.U. HS2's, one on each cylinder. Damn! It would have sucked air like a 1940's moonshine runner. You Left Coast guys don't understand the basic mechanical and fuel-system knowledge that can be found in an Appalachian high-school drop-out. I am of Hllbilly stock (I was once accepted as a "Hillbilly" translator in the Franklin County, Virginia, that home of NASCAR. Yes, I have a degree from Yale and my immediate family include alums of the Naval Academy and Antioch and the like but, in the end, we still all have one leg shorter than the other, a product of running around the hills in search of the goats, cattle, pigs, and chickens ... ) See THUNDER ROAD: you can rent it through your NetFlix subscription. This deals only tangentially with Virginia, where I live, though the Federal task force was headquartered in Bristol, VA. But it is the lore of these guys. They'll rig you anything you want, so long as it doesn't involve fuel injection. Shucks. I ought not speak so fast: maybe they're cranking the car's computers. What do I know? My '84 Audi 4000S, with its McCain/Palin sticker, keeps on keeping on. When it gets old, I'll have to fiind a new car. I am looking for a 1957 or '58 VW Bus. No hu-hu. My car yet runs, though Clytemnestra does not like summer starts. She has a problem with the cold-start circuit in her computer and tends to treat the fuel system as if it was always 50 degrees F (237,919 joules, for you metric guys! Again, ) Keep on Keepin' On! Marc Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Sun Oct 26 13:56:12 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:56:12 EDT Subject: [Tigers] 7 Blade Fan Message-ID: I was wandering through Pick-A-Part in Sun Valley Sat and sitting on the hood of a V8 Maverick was a seven blade fan. CF DIDE 8600 8A on each blade. I am not sure this came out of the Maverick but there were no other V8's close by and the water pump was out. Any one know of a machine shop that could trim this to size and balance? It's 17.5 diameter. Or should I go with a 6 blade fan? Any thoughts are appreciated. !/4 glasses for tops coming soon. Jim still no back glass. **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics b check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Sun Oct 26 19:59:17 2008 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:59:17 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Rear view mirror Message-ID: Has anybody successfully replaced the mirror in the rear view mirror? Any wisdom to pass one? I hate learning things the hard way! Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Sun Oct 26 20:01:45 2008 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:01:45 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Need a trunk handle Message-ID: Anybody have a source for a nice new or used trunk handle? Mine is all pitted and it will probably cost more to replate it than replace it. I don't see one offered in the SS catalog. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun Oct 26 20:22:28 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:22:28 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Need a trunk handle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I thought SS had them.. of not is it Curt? from classic Sunbeam in NY that sells them.. often has them on ebay with a buy it now price too. 2008/10/27 James E. Pickard > Anybody have a source for a nice new or used trunk handle? Mine is all > pitted > and it will probably cost more to replate it than replace it. I don't see > one > offered in the SS catalog. > > Jim Pickard > B9473298 ('65 Tiger) > AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold > 2003 Mini Cooper > Lafayette, LA > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > -- Regards Michael King From mmichels at socal.rr.com Sun Oct 26 20:38:32 2008 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 20:38:32 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rear view mirror References: Message-ID: I had a glass shop make a mirror from the old one as a pattern, It is a bit thicker and heavier but fits fine. Cost about $25. Be sure to use mirror mastik, rather than silacone or other adhesive which will attack the silvering. Worked out real nice. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James E. Pickard" To: Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:59 PM Subject: [Tigers] Rear view mirror > Has anybody successfully replaced the mirror in the rear view mirror? Any > wisdom to pass one? I hate learning things the hard way! Thanks. > > Jim Pickard > B9473298 ('65 Tiger) > AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold > 2003 Mini Cooper > Lafayette, LA > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Sun Oct 26 20:44:14 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:44:14 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Rear view mirror Message-ID: You ca.n use silicone but you have to use Neutral Cure(no acid in it) In a message dated 10/26/2008 8:38:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mmichels at socal.rr.com writes: I had a glass shop make a mirror from the old one as a pattern, It is a bit thicker and heavier but fits fine. Cost about $25. Be sure to use mirror mastik, rather than silacone or other adhesive which will attack the silvering. Worked out real nice. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James E. Pickard" To: Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:59 PM Subject: [Tigers] Rear view mirror > Has anybody successfully replaced the mirror in the rear view mirror? Any > wisdom to pass one? I hate learning things the hard way! Thanks. > > Jim Pickard > B9473298 ('65 Tiger) > AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold > 2003 Mini Cooper > Lafayette, LA > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics b check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) From atwittsend at verizon.net Sun Oct 26 21:04:43 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:04:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] S.U. Electric Fuel Pumps and Down-Draft Carbs References: <48FB80CE.2050205@cox.net> <20081020000425.VOMR3522.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> <20081020011425.4114918763E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <23F8AC0B2DD24761A8C1C48A1EC30E8F@student2> >>>You Left Coast guys don't understand the basic mechanical and fuel-system >>>knowledge...<<< Well..., I'm a New Jersey transplant in So. Cal. for 41 years now, but that probably still makes me a "Left Coast"-er by definition. I've done some of those "Hillbilly Mechanics" - with a Left Coast twist. Circa 1976 I took a Datsun 510 and cut out the primary/secondary separator in the stock, down draft intake. With some bends in flat sheet steel I fashioned a 90 degree adapter to install a side draft Datsun 2000 roadster S.U. to the 510. That and my self ported head had me thinking I was ready to race John Morton. The concept of the Rover TC 3500 V-8 and it's dual S.U.'s has crossed my mind (fleetingly) when my mind wonders about Tiger possibilities. The reason this information never reached "your parts yonder," is because stuff like this happened at Area 51, inside Hanger 18 and it has only been recent disclosure laws that brings such covert knowledge to the far reaches of your location. :-) Not everyone out here lives on Starbucks and Sushi. Some of us go to church on Sunday, vote conservative, homeschool our kids and, yes, - even work on our own cars! Anyway, "Left Coast" is all a matter of whether you are looking north..., or south. So to use a Jersey expression, "Ahhyyy, - right back at ya!" (I grin too). Thanks for the cultural exchange as a fellow Tiger owners, I really do appreciate it. I have owned a Volvo 544, Datsun 240Z and curently have a 510 all with the S.U. style carburators. I consider the experience some of the better parts of my hobby. Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 7:53 PM From atwittsend at verizon.net Sun Oct 26 21:10:28 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:10:28 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 7 Blade Fan References: Message-ID: <46040D3FA7B547B8A08ED2FC6F5A31FB@student2> >>>I was wandering through Pick-A-Part in Sun Valley ...<<< Ahhh..., my home away from home. I have the same7 blade fan myself and have considered it a "possibility" for the Tiger though with a three Volvo fans and a recently aquired Maverick fan it will probably not be at the top of my list. Steve Laifman lives in So. cal and I know he had his 8600 *** fan modified as you are asking. Hopefully he will chime in and let you know where he got it done. Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 7:53 PM From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sun Oct 26 21:12:16 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:12:16 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Rear view mirror In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9E1226E8B1FA4D3B8ED866839B3DC533@ronpc1> Jim It seems to me that it was either rubber cement or a hot melt glue that was used to attach the mirror.(?) It been way too long since I did this, memory fade, but I would try warming it up a bit with a hair drier or in warm water to see if it will loosen up. Work slowly and carefully. Tiger Tom use to have a whole tray of replacement mirrors, maybe he has some advise. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James E. Pickard Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:59 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Rear view mirror Has anybody successfully replaced the mirror in the rear view mirror? Any wisdom to pass one? I hate learning things the hard way! Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1747 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 9:27 AM From twotigers at verizon.net Sun Oct 26 22:32:19 2008 From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:32:19 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] S.U. Electric Fuel Pumps and Down-Draft Carbs... References: <48FB80CE.2050205@cox.net> <20081020000425.VOMR3522.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> <20081020011425.4114918763E@autox.team.net> <23F8AC0B2DD24761A8C1C48A1EC30E8F@student2> Message-ID: <003b01c937f5$619e9db0$2f01a8c0@smith> Well, I've never been farther east than Vegas, but I did put a dual SU carb set up on our 1300cc '66 Datsun pickup in the early seventies. Had dual exhausts on it and could almost beat a VW. Kirk. B382000503 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Witt" To: Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] S.U. Electric Fuel Pumps and Down-Draft Carbs >>>>You Left Coast guys don't understand the basic mechanical and >>>>fuel-system >>>>knowledge...<<< > > Well..., I'm a New Jersey transplant in So. Cal. for 41 years now, but > that probably still makes me a "Left Coast"-er by definition. I've done > some of those "Hillbilly Mechanics" - with a Left Coast twist. Circa > 1976 > I took a Datsun 510 and cut out the primary/secondary separator in the > stock, down draft intake. With some bends in flat sheet steel I fashioned > a > 90 degree adapter to install a side draft Datsun 2000 roadster S.U. to the > 510. That and my self ported head had me thinking I was ready to race > John > Morton. The concept of the Rover TC 3500 V-8 and it's dual S.U.'s has > crossed my mind (fleetingly) when my mind wonders about Tiger > possibilities. > The reason this information never reached "your parts yonder," is because > stuff like this happened at Area 51, inside Hanger 18 and it has only been > recent disclosure laws that brings such covert knowledge to the far > reaches > of your location. :-) > > Not everyone out here lives on Starbucks and Sushi. Some of us go to > church on Sunday, vote conservative, homeschool our kids and, yes, - even > work on our own cars! Anyway, "Left Coast" is all a matter of whether you > are looking north..., or south. So to use a Jersey expression, "Ahhyyy, - > right back at ya!" (I grin too). Thanks for the cultural exchange as a > fellow Tiger owners, I really do appreciate it. I have owned a Volvo 544, > Datsun 240Z and curently have a 510 all with the S.U. style carburators. > I > consider the experience some of the better parts of my hobby. > > Tom > > > [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried > to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send > plain text.] > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1748 - Release Date: 10/26/2008 > 7:53 PM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.3/1746 - Release Date: 10/25/2008 5:55 PM From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 03:27:01 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:27:01 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Need a trunk handle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39a841b0810270327n23f4adaasce7bdf7ac87b81a4@mail.gmail.com> before you buy one, check the distance between the holes in the boot/trunk lid and ask the seller to give you the same distance between the studs on the handle. unless you want to drill your boot lid you may choose not to buy it. On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 3:22 AM, michael king wrote: > I thought SS had them.. of not is it Curt? from classic Sunbeam in NY that > sells them.. often has them on ebay with a buy it now price too. > > 2008/10/27 James E. Pickard > >> Anybody have a source for a nice new or used trunk handle? Mine is all >> pitted >> and it will probably cost more to replate it than replace it. I don't see >> one >> offered in the SS catalog. >> >> Jim Pickard >> B9473298 ('65 Tiger) >> AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold >> 2003 Mini Cooper >> Lafayette, LA >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive >> > > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From todbrown at roadrunner.com Mon Oct 27 07:10:12 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:10:12 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] O.T. Re: S.U. Electric Fuel Pumps and Down-Draft Carbs Message-ID: <4905CBC4.5090101@roadrunner.com> Marc: I believe that the probable reason for the cold start circuit's unwillingness to change the 50 degree F setting (that's 283 Kelvins, for you absolutists) is your bumper sticker. An adjustment there would allow the circuit to change the setting that has been in place for the last eight years. An audacious hope, but worth a try! Cheers, Tod B382002384LRXFE > ... > > See THUNDER ROAD: you can rent it through your > NetFlix subscription. This deals only > tangentially with Virginia, where I live, though > the Federal task force was headquartered in > Bristol, VA. But it is the lore of these > guys. They'll rig you anything you want, so long > as it doesn't involve fuel injection. Shucks. I > ought not speak so fast: maybe they're cranking > the car's computers. What do I know? My '84 > Audi 4000S, with its McCain/Palin sticker, keeps > on keeping on. When it gets old, I'll have to > fiind a new car. I am looking for a 1957 or '58 > VW Bus. No hu-hu. My car yet runs, though > Clytemnestra does not like summer starts. She > has a problem with the cold-start circuit in her > computer and tends to treat the fuel system as if > it was always 50 degrees F (237,919 joules, for > you metric guys! Again, ) > > Keep on Keepin' On! > > Marc > > > Marc > > > msmall at aya.yale.edu > Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Tigers mailing list > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > End of Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 480 > ************************************** From mrlau at charter.net Mon Oct 27 08:24:25 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:24:25 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] O.T. Re: S.U. Electric Fuel Pumps and Down-Draft Carbs Message-ID: <20081027152427.XXPL128.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> If you do this Marc, you will have to share that Audi and your other cars. -- Bill -- Marc: I believe that the probable reason for the cold start circuit's unwillingness to change the 50 degree F setting (that's 283 Kelvins, for you absolutists) is your bumper sticker. An adjustment there would allow the circuit to change the setting that has been in place for the last eight years. An audacious hope, but worth a try! Cheers, Tod B382002384LRXFE > ... > > See THUNDER ROAD: you can rent it through your > NetFlix subscription. This deals only > tangentially with Virginia, where I live, though > the Federal task force was headquartered in > Bristol, VA. But it is the lore of these > guys. They'll rig you anything you want, so long > as it doesn't involve fuel injection. Shucks. I > ought not speak so fast: maybe they're cranking > the car's computers. What do I know? My '84 > Audi 4000S, with its McCain/Palin sticker, keeps > on keeping on. When it gets old, I'll have to > fiind a new car. I am looking for a 1957 or '58 > VW Bus. No hu-hu. My car yet runs, though > Clytemnestra does not like summer starts. She > has a problem with the cold-start circuit in her > computer and tends to treat the fuel system as if > it was always 50 degrees F (237,919 joules, for > you metric guys! Again, ) > > Keep on Keepin' On! > > Marc > > > Marc > > > msmall at aya.yale.edu > Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Oct 27 09:48:33 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:48:33 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] proper engine color In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have been investigating the Color of the B19KC engine group and here are some of my findings to date. I have found this to be very interesting and challenging quest and it is still not complete. Thank you very much to those who sent me information and pictures so far. Some Ford History: Most of the engines built for Rootes and the Tiger were built at the Cleveland, Ohio foundry. The C6OE 289 block castings were built at the Windsor, Ontario foundry. Ford changed the color of the engines for the 1966 model year, Ford model year ends July 1965. The Ford engine ID tag, the small aluminum tag on the intake manifold, has 66 for the model year and 9 for the change level which corresponds to the change to Ford Corporate Blue, OFB. The Ford Cleveland foundry cast a special intake manifold, C5OE-9425D, for Rootes and the Tiger, to date all the casting dates for this manifold has been 5A28 - Jan 28 1965. This I believe is a 289 manifold,C5AE-D, with the casting number changed and 289 removed from the casting. It may also be correct that all these Tiger manifolds were cast in 1 day, Jan, 28 1965 but that is a guess right now. I received confirmation of 260 engines built in Oct 1965 with engine ID tags containing 66 and 9 and they are all painted OFB from List members. Right now I conclude from this limited information that any B19KC engine build with an Aug 1965 date code, 5H, and after with an engine tag containing 66 and 9 are painted OFB. B19KC engines built before Aug 1965 will have an engine tag with 65 and 8 or a lesser number for the change level, they are painted black. Here is a web site with some engine tag details. http://www.fordification.com/engineIDtags.htm I'm still looking for more information about the total B19KC engine build so feel free to add to this information pool. Thanks for listening Ron Fraser From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Mon Oct 27 10:28:57 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:28:57 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rear view mirror In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4905FA59.9020507@SoCal.rr.com> Jim, Is it the curved glass Mk I style, or the flat glass. Just curious. A mirror shop can re-silver either, providing the glass hasn't been broken. They can also cut new glass, but the curved is harder to obtain with the desired curvature. With the hard top I need the original curved, as well as curved external mirrors on both sides. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com James E. Pickard wrote: > Has anybody successfully replaced the mirror in the rear view mirror? Any > wisdom to pass one? I hate learning things the hard way! Thanks. > > Jim Pickard > B9473298 ('65 Tiger) > AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold > 2003 Mini Cooper > Lafayette, LA > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Mon Oct 27 16:45:19 2008 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:45:19 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] door glass Message-ID: <00bd01c9388e$1228e030$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> Hi Listers, recently opened up may door panel to rpl a scratched piece of glass, seemed simple enough until it came to detach the regulator from the slide at the bottom of the glass, the manual makes it sound like it staps into a plastic grommet type thing and should be able to be popped out by prying even pressure, well I have put a lot of even pressure and no luck yet, Clyde From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Mon Oct 27 17:05:09 2008 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:05:09 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Door Glass Message-ID: <00c601c93890$d7555670$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> Hi Listers, I recently started to rpl a scratched door glass, all went well untill the manual said pop the regulator arm from the track slide on the bottom of the glass, I pryed evenly and forcibly, but the regulator arm pin did not pop out of the slide piece, Am I missing something?? Clyde From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Mon Oct 27 18:18:57 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:18:57 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Door Glass Message-ID: Take up stop off of sash channel(flat screw at front). Remove inner door remote and arm to latch(the thing the inner door release handel fits on). Take all screws off of the regulator and balance bar(4 on reg 4 on bar 2 under arm). Work regulator out of lower sash channel. Slide glass out at top. Lower sash channel is press fitted on glass. We use a brick breaker that has had the sharp edge ground flat to drive the channel off of the glass. Any type of chisel/driver that is flat can be used to do this. Lay the glass on a protected surface hold tool on edge of channel and at the same time push down on glass and drive off channel. Check for rust in sash, grind out rust & paint. Or take to a glass shop and have them do it for you. Check felts in door if bad replace. If you need more info on this let me know Lee In a message dated 10/27/2008 5:05:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, clydemclaughlin at verizon.net writes: Hi Listers, I recently started to rpl a scratched door glass, all went well untill the manual said pop the regulator arm from the track slide on the bottom of the glass, I pryed evenly and forcibly, but the regulator arm pin did not pop out of the slide piece, Am I missing something?? Clyde Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Play online games for FREE at Games.com! All of your favorites, no registration required and great graphics b check it out! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1211202682x1200689022/aol?redir= http://www.games.com?ncid=emlcntusgame00000001) From todbrown at roadrunner.com Mon Oct 27 18:42:48 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:42:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] O.T. Re: S.U. Electric Fuel Pumps and Down-Draft Carbs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49066E18.8000800@roadrunner.com> Only if Marc has more cars than 95% of us. Tod B382002384LRXFE Message: 2 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:24:25 -0500 From: "William Lau" Subject: [Tigers] O.T. Re: S.U. Electric Fuel Pumps and Down-Draft Carbs To: Message-ID: <20081027152427.XXPL128.aarprv06.charter.net at aardvark> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If you do this Marc, you will have to share that Audi and your other cars. -- Bill -- Marc: I believe that the probable reason for the cold start circuit's unwillingness to change the 50 degree F setting (that's 283 Kelvins, for you absolutists) is your bumper sticker. An adjustment there would allow the circuit to change the setting that has been in place for the last eight years. An audacious hope, but worth a try! Cheers, Tod B382002384LRXFE ... See THUNDER ROAD: you can rent it through your NetFlix subscription. This deals only tangentially with Virginia, where I live, though the Federal task force was headquartered in Bristol, VA. But it is the lore of these guys. They'll rig you anything you want, so long as it doesn't involve fuel injection. Shucks. I ought not speak so fast: maybe they're cranking the car's computers. What do I know? My '84 Audi 4000S, with its McCain/Palin sticker, keeps on keeping on. When it gets old, I'll have to fiind a new car. I am looking for a 1957 or '58 VW Bus. No hu-hu. My car yet runs, though Clytemnestra does not like summer starts. She has a problem with the cold-start circuit in her computer and tends to treat the fuel system as if it was always 50 degrees F (237,919 joules, for you metric guys! Again, ) Keep on Keepin' On! Marc Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From mmichels at socal.rr.com Mon Oct 27 22:10:25 2008 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:10:25 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Door Glass References: <00c601c93890$d7555670$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> Message-ID: You will need to unbolt all six (I believe it is 6) bolts that hold the regulator assembly to the inner door panel. Also there is a plastic stop at the end of the channel that is at the bottom of the glass, so remove that. Then, while supporting the glass at a mid-raised position and while swearing profusely, work the regulator around (may need to crank it up and down to find the right angles) until you can slide the spring-loaded studs off one end and then the other of the track at the glass bottom. it's hard to describe and even harder to photograph ( I tried, photo attached) but after a lot trial and error, the glass will eventually be liberated and you can then extract the window and the regulator. AAA glass had good advice on removing the channel from the glass, but mine was so stuck I had to take it to a glass shop Good luck. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 5:05 PM Subject: [Tigers] Door Glass > Hi Listers, I recently started to rpl a scratched door glass, all went > well > untill the manual said pop the regulator arm from the track slide on the > bottom of the glass, I pryed evenly and forcibly, but the regulator arm > pin > did not pop out of the slide piece, Am I missing something?? Clyde > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of PB070126.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of PB080157.JPG] From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Tue Oct 28 16:40:16 2008 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:40:16 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] window rpl't Message-ID: <016701c93956$87f857a0$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> Hi Listers, Thanks for the notes on removal, I guess my interpitation of the manual was little off, but the more I looked at it I see where the regulator and glass tracks need tobe removed...I thought the regulator would come off the glass piece another way, but no, thanks guys, Clyde From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Tue Oct 28 16:51:16 2008 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:51:16 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] w/washer ck valves Message-ID: <017001c93958$117b5350$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> Listers, previous comments about w/washers loosing prime, here are a couple ck valve options: MB # 000 860 08 62, will go inline, has one inlet and two outlets to the spritzers...BMW# 61 66 1 380 464 is one inlet, one out let and is straight line....Volvo # 1392074 is "T" figured one in and two out to spritzers, depending on where you locate it the different shapes give some flexibilty...I have not used these on my Tiger, the manual pump still holds prime, note: the oem rootes hose is really small diameter and may need to be adapted or heated and stretched to fit directly on these valves, current model washer systems move a lot more liquid than the older ones, I hope this helps, won't concours, but you could hide these well up under the dash, Clyde From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 19:41:35 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Epay Tiger In-Reply-To: <4905FA59.9020507@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <442995.28274.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Item number: 170275056025 I cant wait to read everyones thoughts about the "It is a Tiger" just posted on epay.Please take a look and post opinions. I cant tell if its real but it is different. Rivets are all replacement, including in the JAL tag but other than the vin tag which you cant tell more than its a 1A, I can see only the word Tiger proving its real. On the other hand, I cant say it isnt. He listed a vin other than the actual one thats on the car- Everyone take a look, it might be the worlds fastest Tiger- at least the seller says so. TtT From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 20:21:44 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:21:44 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Epay Tiger In-Reply-To: <442995.28274.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4905FA59.9020507@SoCal.rr.com> <442995.28274.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: it might be a real Tiger.. whatever it is.. its in bad taste IMHO -- Regards Michael King From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Oct 28 22:03:50 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Logo Message-ID: <387679.59514.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does anyone have a good size image file (or link) to the Tiger script logo like the size emblems. I need a clean copy so I can have it cut into valve covers that I am going to have made up. Thanks Sandy From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 29 01:41:59 2008 From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:41:59 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Epay Tiger In-Reply-To: <442995.28274.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4905FA59.9020507@SoCal.rr.com> <442995.28274.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This car has been on ebay before. The rear end looks like a lot of work has been done and I guess it may work well to get the power down. When you look at the cut off and blended in Alpine inner wing stengtheners under the bonnet the game is up! What I can't fathom unless its a photos optic illusion is how the hood goes down with the biggest air cleaner I have ever seen under a rooted hood! As the owner insists it is a tiger, I will ask him if he has a TAC certificate..... regards Jeff In message <442995.28274.qm at web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, Tony Somebody writes >Item number: 170275056025 > >I cant wait to read everyones thoughts about the "It is a Tiger" just >posted on epay.Please take a look and post opinions. I cant tell if its >real but it is different. Rivets are all replacement, including in the >JAL tag but other than the vin tag which you cant tell more than its a >1A, I can see only the word Tiger proving its real. On the other hand, >I cant say it isnt. He listed a vin other than the actual one thats on >the car- Everyone take a look, it might be the worlds fastest Tiger- at >least the seller says so. TtT >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive > -- Jeff Howarth From arado7 at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 29 05:07:34 2008 From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:07:34 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Epay Tiger References: <442995.28274.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <54F7DEA41141400C9A70533D59A92C6E@GMI> I can believe it was a Tiger. However, as an historical car it no longer is. It should be approached as a highly modified super car..A different animal altogether. Wonder what all that cost to do?.. Gary B9472283 a historical car.... From cmccann at lwpb.com Wed Oct 29 06:06:29 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:06:29 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Epay Tiger In-Reply-To: References: <4905FA59.9020507@SoCal.rr.com> <442995.28274.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647338BB36F2A@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Agree, this car has been on before, and when it was, I saved the images and added them to my informal "tigers seen on the net library"...It appears to be the same seller, or at least they are exactly the same images, but the last time they had a factory looking air cleaner on it. I personally like customized Tigers, but this one is over the top and beyond tasteful to me. I actually wouldnt have minded seeing this done to an alpine, but a tiger for me is a little too rare to cut up this much. Oh well.... Cullen ..."This car has been on ebay before...." From sralsten at ca.rr.com Wed Oct 29 11:51:16 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:51:16 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Epay Tiger Message-ID: <30492394.987891225306276216.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web02-z02> It clearly is no longer the car it was when it left the factory, so Alpine or Tiger doesn't really matter much in my opinion. Steve ---- Tony Somebody wrote: > Item number: 170275056025 > > I cant wait to read everyones thoughts about the "It is a Tiger" just posted on epay.Please take a look and post opinions. I cant tell if its real but it is different. Rivets are all replacement, including in the JAL tag but other than the vin tag which you cant tell more than its a 1A, I can see only the word Tiger proving its real. On the other hand, I cant say it isnt. He listed a vin other than the actual one thats on the car- Everyone take a look, it might be the worlds fastest Tiger- at least the seller says so. TtT > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From achd73 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 29 15:18:16 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] epay Tiger replies to ??s Message-ID: <254604.28279.qm@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I ask the seller for pics under the alternator and behind the fuel cell as well as the frame rails from mid car back. Below is his response. Norm you might wish to make note of the VIN he sent unless you already have. I try to stay away from epay so I guess I mised the other postings. TtT Seller has responded to your question about this item Do not respond to the sender if this message requests that you complete the transaction outside of eBay. This type of offer is against eBay policy, may be fraudulent, and is not covered by buyer protection programs. Learn More. Dear tonythetiger66, B3822001492LRXFE JH4NA216XVT000318 IT IS A TOTALLY NEW CUSTOM FRAME,NOT STOCK. IT IS BEEFY AND MADE INTELLIGENTLY. THERE IS A PIC OF ALTERNATOR IN GALLERY IT IS SERPENTINE AND RUN GOOD HAS VERYY BEEFY CUSTOM BRACKETS - sanclem2005 From bamcnulty at optonline.net Wed Oct 29 18:25:46 2008 From: bamcnulty at optonline.net (Tony McNulty) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:25:46 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] epay Tiger replies to ??s References: <254604.28279.qm@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2B5F9536F8254B348672526C0159FC43@your4dacd0ea75> OOOOO --- Dis be good car!!!! Duuuuuuhhhh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Somebody" To: "Beamclub" Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:18 PM Subject: [Tigers] epay Tiger replies to ??s >I ask the seller for pics under the alternator and behind the fuel cell as >well as the frame rails from mid car back. Below is his response. Norm you >might wish to make note of the VIN he sent unless you already have. I try >to stay away from epay so I guess I mised the other postings. TtT > > Seller has responded to your question about this item > > Do not respond to the sender if this message requests that you complete > the transaction outside of eBay. This type of offer is against eBay > policy, may be fraudulent, and is not covered by buyer protection > programs. Learn More. > Dear tonythetiger66, > > B3822001492LRXFE > JH4NA216XVT000318 > IT IS A TOTALLY NEW CUSTOM FRAME,NOT STOCK. IT IS BEEFY AND MADE > INTELLIGENTLY. > THERE IS A PIC OF ALTERNATOR IN GALLERY IT IS SERPENTINE AND RUN GOOD HAS > VERYY BEEFY CUSTOM BRACKETS > > - sanclem2005 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1755 - Release Date: 10/29/2008 5:27 PM From dsp781 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 29 19:51:28 2008 From: dsp781 at hotmail.com (Dexter Polistock) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:51:28 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] FW: Response to Fri. Oct. 17, 2008 Ammeter Message-ID: Gentlemen, Please see attached below; originally sent to incorrect address below. Please place in current mailing. Thanks - - Dexter From: dsp781 at hotmail.comTo: tigers-request at autox.team.netSubject: Response to Fri. Oct. 17, 2008 AmmeterDate: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:57:53 -0400 In response to the following question the date below:Fri, Oct. 17, 200811. Re: Correct Ammeter? (William Lau)12. Correct Ammeter (Jeff Francis)I have an original 67 MK II which I purchased four years ago from a gentlemen who had owned several Tigers. He was to say the least a "purest" , everything to factory and/or LAT spec's.The car has all Jaeger instruments with two exceptions the ammeter and the clock (Smith's which he installed).The ammeter is Lucas +/- 35 amps red needle at base pointing up. Dexter Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? The Wordsmiths show you how. Learn Now _________________________________________________________________ You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond your PC. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298556/direct/01/ From fabbro at shaw.ca Thu Oct 30 08:29:29 2008 From: fabbro at shaw.ca (Kim Fabbro) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:29:29 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Retractable 3 point seat belts (Shoulder belt style) Message-ID: <000001c93aa4$4d619c60$6401a8c0@fabbro> Hi all I am working on a ground up restoration of my wife's 1965 Tiger. For added safety I want to add to the car top quality retractable seat belts with the shoulder support. The car will be a standard daily driver. In this case we are looking for some thing that looks almost factory or period correct and performs smoothly in and out. I copied and pasted the link from the E-bay site below selling a seat belt that the claim will fit a Sunbeam. I imagine that this belt set up in generic and will fit anything if you try hard enough. I have no problems in fabrication of steels and other materials to make a good safe fit to the car. The key is the proper length, width of strap (so it will not dig in to the neck) and strong retractable latching mechanism. If some one has this set up please forward were to purchase or what car they can be removed from. Also a recommended upper location for the shoulder pivot point eye. Photos of the mounting would help out immensely. Best Regards, Kim http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SEAT-BELT-sunbeam-TIGER-64-67-66-65-1964-1967 -1966-1965_W0QQitemZ370103472001QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item370103472001&_trkpar ms=72%3A727%7C39%3A1%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245 From fabbro at shaw.ca Thu Oct 30 08:40:45 2008 From: fabbro at shaw.ca (Kim Fabbro) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:40:45 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Hoses Message-ID: <000501c93aa5$dfe15070$6401a8c0@fabbro> Hi again all Can some one shoot to me a call out number and manufacture's name for a lower and upper radiator hose? If I go to the local parts store and say "1965 Sunbeam tiger with a Ford 260 V8 with the stock rad in the original location" the pimp face kid behind the counter tilts his head and says "What's that?" Thanks in advance and happy motoring. Kim From mark.rense at ge.com Thu Oct 30 08:59:50 2008 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:59:50 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] A Modern Tiger? Message-ID: All, Has anybody had experience building one of these Monster Miatas? The kit they offer is very reasonable in price, it seems pretty straight-forward. A modern Tigeriata (or is it a Miatiger?) with air, power windows, good sound system and a top that doesn't leak....hmmm. www.monstermiata.ca www.monstermiata.com Bugz From MWood24020 at aol.com Thu Oct 30 09:08:37 2008 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:08:37 EDT Subject: [Tigers] A Modern Tiger? Message-ID: In a message dated 10/30/2008 9:04:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mark.rense at ge.com writes: Has anybody had experience building one of these Monster Miatas? The kit they offer is very reasonable in price, it seems pretty straight-forward. A modern Tigeriata (or is it a Miatiger?) with air, power windows, good sound system and a top that doesn't leak....hmmm. I haven't built one, so I have no hands on experience, but I knew a guy... Seriously, a guy I used to run open track events with in the Shelby club built one and ran it on street and track. The car was pretty fast and I never saw it break. He was very happy with the build. Mike **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Oct 30 10:29:20 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:29:20 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Hoses Message-ID: The NAPA #s that were good a few weeks ago were: Upper 7459 Lower 7746 These are not made for Tiger and both have to be cut on both ends as I remember. I'm sure there are others, but these worked fine. M **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) From sganz at pacbell.net Thu Oct 30 10:37:56 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] A Modern Tiger? Message-ID: <17548.42497.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have seen one a few times at the LA Shelby events over the years, seems to run OK, still a Miata and when all said and done I don't remember it doing anything that made me thing it handled really well or was exceptionally fast. Better off doing an Lieger (some call them Algers) at least IMO it looks cooler the the Miata. In all reality you don't need a V8 in a Miata, I have seen them run fast with the 4 bangers and turbo kits are cheep and plenty for them. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "MWood24020 at aol.com" To: mark.rense at ge.com; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:08:37 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] A Modern Tiger? In a message dated 10/30/2008 9:04:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mark.rense at ge.com writes: Has anybody had experience building one of these Monster Miatas? The kit they offer is very reasonable in price, it seems pretty straight-forward. A modern Tigeriata (or is it a Miatiger?) with air, power windows, good sound system and a top that doesn't leak....hmmm. I haven't built one, so I have no hands on experience, but I knew a guy... Seriously, a guy I used to run open track events with in the Shelby club built one and ran it on street and track. The car was pretty fast and I never saw it break. He was very happy with the build. Mike **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http ://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Thu Oct 30 10:47:41 2008 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:47:41 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] A Modern Tiger? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001801c93ab7$9bb95390$d32bfab0$@rr.com> Problem is....it's a Miata. I have never seen a heterosexual man drive a Miata. Duke -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:00 To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] A Modern Tiger? All, Has anybody had experience building one of these Monster Miatas? The kit they offer is very reasonable in price, it seems pretty straight-forward. A modern Tigeriata (or is it a Miatiger?) with air, power windows, good sound system and a top that doesn't leak....hmmm. www.monstermiata.ca www.monstermiata.com Bugz Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Oct 30 10:49:56 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:49:56 EDT Subject: [Tigers] A Modern Tiger? Message-ID: Wow, are you asking for flames Duke. **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) From MWood24020 at aol.com Thu Oct 30 10:50:56 2008 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:50:56 EDT Subject: [Tigers] A Modern Tiger? Message-ID: In a message dated 10/30/2008 10:38:19 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sganz at pacbell.net writes: I have seen one a few times at the LA Shelby events over the years, seems to run OK, still a Miata and when all said and done I don't remember it doing anything that made me thing it handled really well or was exceptionally fast. Better off doing an Lieger (some call them Algers) at least IMO it looks cooler the the Miata. In all reality you don't need a V8 in a Miata, I have seen them run fast with the 4 bangers and turbo kits are cheep and plenty for them. Sandy The Miata suspension is, well, 30-40 years "better" than the Sunbeam's and you can get a suitable donor unibody cheaper than an Alpine...with less opportunity for rust issues...so, I can't see any logic in doing an Alger... I won the San Diego Solo II SCCA National Tour XP class this year in a supercharged Miata...310rwhp, coil over suspension, big Hoosier A6 tires and 1900lbs...so, I'd agree, there are easier options to making a Miata go fast than installing a V8...but, they won't sound as cool. :-) **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) From PhastPhill at aol.com Thu Oct 30 10:58:16 2008 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:58:16 EDT Subject: [Tigers] A Modern Tiger? Message-ID: Guess that answers the question about men driving Miatas.....Sorry Duke could not resist, and a nice bit of driving I might add!!! From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Thu Oct 30 10:58:59 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:58:59 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Retractable 3 point seat belts (Shoulder belt style) In-Reply-To: <000001c93aa4$4d619c60$6401a8c0@fabbro> References: <000001c93aa4$4d619c60$6401a8c0@fabbro> Message-ID: <4909F5E3.90206@SoCal.rr.com> Kim, Sunbeam Specialties has 2 point and 3 point seat belts. I have a set of 3 point, and the Tiger already has factory mounting point, a hidden threaded shoulder mount underneath the rear "seat" area interior wheel well upholstery. All hardware comes with the set. It really does not need retractors, but if you are set on them, Moss Motors may have some for the MG-B. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Kim Fabbro wrote: > Hi all > > I am working on a ground up restoration of my wife's 1965 Tiger. For added > safety I want to add to the car top quality retractable seat belts with the > shoulder support. ------ > > Best Regards, > > Kim From MWood24020 at aol.com Thu Oct 30 11:02:11 2008 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:02:11 EDT Subject: [Tigers] A Modern Tiger? Message-ID: In a message dated 10/30/2008 10:58:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, PhastPhill writes: Guess that answers the question about men driving Miatas.....Sorry Duke could not resist, and a nice bit of driving I might add!!! Heck, it wasn't my car, but the owner is a married guy with no "product" in his hair or creases in his Levi's...if that helps... **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Thu Oct 30 11:05:40 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:05:40 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Hoses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4909F774.2000604@SoCal.rr.com> Tigers, Repeating an earlier advisory. Lately the hoses, meant for the lower hose location, no longer seem to come with the internal spring to keep them from collapsing from "suction" to the water pump. Be sure to use the correct size, some stores sell them separately. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > The NAPA #s that were good a few weeks ago were: > Upper 7459 > Lower 7746 > These are not made for Tiger and both have to be cut on both ends as I > remember. I'm sure there are others, but these worked fine. > M From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 11:03:41 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:03:41 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] A Modern Tiger? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39a841b0810301103n1012fc26ke0c18588ed379b6e@mail.gmail.com> yes, it seems a bizzare choice to me. why put an old iron pushrod v8 in a modern car? much better would be something like a ford duratec. tons of power available cheaply there. On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:50 PM, wrote: > In a message dated 10/30/2008 10:38:19 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > sganz at pacbell.net writes: > > I have seen one a few times at the LA Shelby events over the years, seems to > run OK, still a Miata and when all said and done I don't remember it doing > anything that made me thing it handled really well or was exceptionally fast. > Better off doing an Lieger (some call them Algers) at least IMO it looks > cooler the the Miata. In all reality you don't need a V8 in a Miata, I have seen > them run fast with the 4 bangers and turbo kits are cheep and plenty for > them. > > Sandy > > > > > > The Miata suspension is, well, 30-40 years "better" than the Sunbeam's and > you can get a suitable donor unibody cheaper than an Alpine...with less > opportunity for rust issues...so, I can't see any logic in doing an Alger... > > I won the San Diego Solo II SCCA National Tour XP class this year in a > supercharged Miata...310rwhp, coil over suspension, big Hoosier A6 tires and > 1900lbs...so, I'd agree, there are easier options to making a Miata go fast than > installing a V8...but, they won't sound as cool. :-) > > > **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot > 5 Travel Deals! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Thu Oct 30 11:23:32 2008 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:23:32 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Starter solenoid Message-ID: <5BA97346D3E940A18EF16EC4AF977EDC@jerry> List, Here is a question for all those electrical/electronics engineer types out there. Being the curious person I am I decided to cut apart a Ford starter solenoid that was acting up, it was giving a little "chatter" as it engaged. Now these things are sealed at the factory and not intended to take apart for any service, but I'm always curious. The specific starter I'm talking about is the small geared starter that is on most all the ford engines since the early 90's, and fits very well on our Tigers. They are lighter, more powerful and draw less power. And if you have headers you can take them in and out without removing any thing else. Two ways to wire them up, either works just fine. Mine has been in for 8 years, I bought it at a junk yard for $30.00. The symptom that my friend had (347 Ford race car) is as I said in the beginning it sounded like a little chatter when engaging, as if the solenoid was "bouncing" before finally engaging. I removed the starter and tested it and it would run just fine except for the chatter so I concluded that the solenoid may be the problem, a new one solved the problem. Now to the question. I cut the solenoid apart, there are two windings in the solenoid, one with a dia. of .23 the other is .41. The larger wire is connected so when 12V is applied to the small tab on the outside of the solenoid (normal attachment point) the plunger inside reacts and closes the large contacts to send the high amperage to the motor, all simple stuff. It's the smaller wire I'm wondering about. It is attached in the same place as the larger wire (where the 12V start signal is applied to) on the out side, but it's where these two wires are grounded that I'm wondering. The bigger wire (.41) is grounded to the large external (13mm) nut that goes to the starter motor, the smaller wire (.23) is grounded to a metal plate inside the solenoid (by the way that was the problem, that attachment had broken). The question is; why two different windings and why the two different grounding points? (The smaller wire is a little longer). Jerry Christopherson PS Anyone else going to SEMA? From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Oct 30 11:42:10 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:42:10 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Starter solenoid References: <5BA97346D3E940A18EF16EC4AF977EDC@jerry> Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F3E5@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> I'm not totally sure, but it might be done that way to keep the heavy-duty contacts from arcing too much when the starter is disengaged. Pulling a hundred amps or more through a big inductor (which is what the starter motor is for all intents and purposes) and then suddenly breaking the circuit would give a significant arc and over time would vaporize at least one side of the solenoid contacts. Cheers, Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry > Sent: October 30, 2008 12:24 PM > To: TIGERS at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Starter solenoid > > List, > > > > Here is a question for all those electrical/electronics > engineer types out there. > From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 30 13:18:22 2008 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:18:22 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Monster Miata Madness and more. Message-ID: <008201c93acc$a8cff470$6401a8c0@your03667082de> "Problem is....it's a Miata. I have never seen a heterosexual man drive a Miata." I've seen a metrosexual driving a Miata. Is that close enough? Last summer on Woodward there was "Monster Miata" with some type of body kit that looked quasi Ferrari-ish. Not a bad looking conversion. It even had a badge on the front hood that said "Monster Miata" A friend of mine had a 2003 Mazda Miata that he bought new and I took it for a drive. Maybe it didn't have the "get up and go" of the Tiger but the suspension was light years ahead in handling. Back in August at a car show there was a Pontiac Solstice that a company called Mallett installed a 400hp GM LS2 v8. You supply the car and $21,285.75 for a V8 Solstice. I like the 75 cent charge. What could it be for, stamps? Here is the web page: http://www.mallettcars.com/solstice-conversion.htm Jeff From Rollright at aol.com Thu Oct 30 13:20:41 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:20:41 EDT Subject: [Tigers] trim fasteners and a lube you never knew you needed Message-ID: The soft top vinyl cover is fixed to the body by a series of "Lift-the-Dot" fasteners. Two of these fasteners fixed to the body are "double length"studs, say 1" instead of the normal 1/2". I tried to buy some double length studs with machine screw bottom instead of sheet metal screw bottomfrom Rick at S/S and he said he doesn't have them anymore and his supplier can't get them. I Googled "Lift-the-Dot" and found no 1" with machine screw bottom units on any site including the manufacturing company in the US. I even sent them an e-mail to find out if they were available. ---NOPE--- I googled "google.co.uk" for Lift-the-Dot and found them at Tim Hodgekiss's site _www.vintagemotorspares.com_ (http://www.vintagemotorspares.com) , called him on Skype and he has 'em in stock and could get a 1K quantity if Rick wanted them. I reported back to Rick so he can get them if he chooses. But: anybody know of any in the US? ------------------------------------------------------------------- On another topic, while searching I found an interesting lube for zippers (same place, on the vinyl soft top cover. See quote below: "Zipper and Snap Lubricant protects and helps keep your fasteners working smoothly. Zippers glide up and down. Inhibits corrosion and salt build up. Easy to apply gel. This product should be in every boat! Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) From sralsten at ca.rr.com Thu Oct 30 13:21:07 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:21:07 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic-Great flying video Message-ID: <18815497.514921225398067732.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web13-z02> Heres a guy who knows how to handle his equipment. Amazing save. http://www.chilloutzone.de/files/08102703.html From packertl3 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 13:43:04 2008 From: packertl3 at yahoo.com (Terry Packer) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Calling Cullen Bennett In-Reply-To: <18815497.514921225398067732.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web13-z02> Message-ID: <587516.47522.qm@web110106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Cullen If you're out there would you please get back to me off list? Thank You Terry Packer 9470018 From arado7 at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 30 13:55:44 2008 From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:55:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic-Great flying video References: <18815497.514921225398067732.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web13-z02> Message-ID: <283E20C83F5240609D828D461E48F007@GMI> Perhaps trained by Eric Hartmann... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: [Tigers] Off Topic-Great flying video > Heres a guy who knows how to handle his equipment. Amazing save. > > http://www.chilloutzone.de/files/08102703.html > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From un-cole-a at juno.com Thu Oct 30 14:17:39 2008 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:17:39 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Correct intake and carb Message-ID: <20081030.171739.26641.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> To All Took a look at my carb and intake today in preparation to pull the carb and have it rebuilt. The intake is correct according to the BON. Intake: Stamped Ford and the color is Blue C4OE 9425 Firing Order 15426378 C 1960 4 1964 O Fairlane E Engine I thought the O Fairlane decode was a little weird, is this right??? My problem is I'm having a hard time decoding the carb. The carb has Motorcraft stamped on it and the tag numbers look like this: 4P EC A8F 13 Any help with a decode would be greatly appreciated. Will try to post a pix if I can figure out my daughters camera. Thanks in advance. Tim B9470149 _____________________________________________________________ Help is here! Click now for simple and easy Financial Advice. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m2fnPO0XgwlAVGrgWqLkgugRLR Vb3VhQDklxK0GnbidBzBA/?count=1234567890 From v8tracker at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 14:46:56 2008 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:46:56 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Correct intake and carb In-Reply-To: <20081030.171739.26641.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081030.171739.26641.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <784808FC0E09487C873DF0C5F59D1E58@DellD4700> Tim, I can't answer your specific question, but there is a Ford carb forum at www.network54.com/Forum/88781 which may be of some help, if you don't get what you need on the list.. HTH, A.C. Tynes > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of un-cole-a at juno.com > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:18 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Correct intake and carb > > To All > Took a look at my carb and intake today in preparation to > pull the carb and have it rebuilt. > The intake is correct according to the BON. > > Intake: > Stamped Ford and the color is Blue > C4OE 9425 > Firing Order 15426378 > C 1960 > 4 1964 > O Fairlane > E Engine > I thought the O Fairlane decode was a little weird, is this right??? > > My problem is I'm having a hard time decoding the carb. The > carb has Motorcraft stamped on it and the tag numbers look like this: > 4P > EC > A8F 13 > > Any help with a decode would be greatly appreciated. Will try > to post a pix if I can figure out my daughters camera. > Thanks in advance. > > Tim > B9470149 > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Help is here! Click now for simple and easy Financial Advice. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m2fnPO0Xgwl > AVGrgWqLkgugRLR > Vb3VhQDklxK0GnbidBzBA/?count=1234567890 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Thu Oct 30 14:50:28 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 17:50:28 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Top Message-ID: So I am looking for 28x44 2mm glass for the Sunbeam Tiger/Alpine back glass we are going to make. Nobody local has 2mm. There is a picture framer that has some but not big enough for this project. Guardian Glass was what the framer had. A fellow named Don posted on another forum about Guardian glass so I e-mailed him and he responded with a # to call. I called the # in Ohio and was told to call the nearest dist in Phoenix. I call Phoenix and was told to call Kingsberg. I call Kingsberg and YES they make 2mm in the size I want BUT they only sell by the truckload and no will calls. So they give me a # in So Cal that is a big buyer of glass from them. I call them and they tell me I have to call Texas to place an order. Ok I call Texas and lo and behold they have it and at a very reasonable price. So back glasses coming soon. Clear, green tint, gray tint and bronze tint available with matching 1/4's. Now a question, does the top with the pop out 1/4's have a name? Is it factory or aftermarket? Thanks Lee A. LEE FESTICH ALAN AUTO GLASS 599 S. BONNYWOOD PL. BURBANK, CA. 91502 818-845-7300 PHN 818-845-7355 FAX 818-464-5909 CEL AAAGLASSS at AOL.COM _http://alanautoglass.com/_ (http://alanautoglass.com/) **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) From nr.shaw at shaw.ca Thu Oct 30 15:10:46 2008 From: nr.shaw at shaw.ca (Norm Shaw) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:10:46 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Monster Miata Madness and more. In-Reply-To: <008201c93acc$a8cff470$6401a8c0@your03667082de> References: <008201c93acc$a8cff470$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: <000e01c93adc$5c181cb0$14485610$@shaw@shaw.ca> The shop referenced here (Bishops) is where I had much of my spec miata race car work done (and my sexuality hasn't been questioned yet). There is not much doubt that the miata is well balanced, extremely well engineered and a ball to drive at the limit. The V8 does not detract too much from the original handling so long as you maintain similar unsprung weight, tire size and camber - and they do sound great and accelerate like a 300 hp 2500 pound car (pretty much like my tiger of similar horsepower 1960's but with handling) Norm Shaw -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols Sent: October-30-08 1:18 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Monster Miata Madness and more. "Problem is....it's a Miata. I have never seen a heterosexual man drive a Miata." , stamps? Here is the web page: http://www.mallettcars.com/solstice-conversion.htm Jeff Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From garywinblad at comcast.net Thu Oct 30 16:03:53 2008 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:03:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Starter solenoid In-Reply-To: <5BA97346D3E940A18EF16EC4AF977EDC@jerry> Message-ID: <1849711221.2063221225407833499.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Hi Jerry, That's interesting, good work! B Where does that inner metal tab really go?? I have bought one of those small starter motors but haven't gotten the car back together yet so I don't know how it works... I have a friend that hooked his little terminal to the big terminal and drove the big terminal from the stock solenoid big terminal (make sense??). It works ok except when he releases the key from a start, the bendix keeps the starter engaged for a few extra seconds while the ring gear grinds down.. NOT GOOD..B B B Apparently the starter motor is acting as a generator and supplying voltage to keep the solenoid powered. I was going to eliminate the stock solenoid and hook the big terminal directly to the battery, the small terminal to the starter switch (maybe with a relay?). Any comments? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry" To: TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:23:32 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [Tigers] Starter solenoid List, B Here is a question for all those electrical/electronics engineer types out there. Being the curious person I am I decided to cut apart a Ford starter solenoid that was acting up, it was giving a little "chatter" as it engaged. Now these things are sealed at the factory and not intended to take apart for any service, but I'm always curious. The specific starter I'm talking about is the small geared starter that is on most all the ford engines since the early 90's, and fits very well on our Tigers. They are lighter, more powerful and draw less power. And if you have headers you can take them in and out without removing any thing else. Two ways to wire them up, either works just fine. Mine has been in for 8 years, I bought it at a junk yard for $30.00. The symptom that my friend had (347 Ford race car) is as I said in the beginning it sounded like a little chatter when engaging, as if the solenoid was "bouncing" before finally engaging. I removed the starter and tested it and it would run just fine except for the chatter so I concluded that the solenoid may be the problem, a new one solved the problem. Now to the question. I cut the solenoid apart, there are two windings in the solenoid, one with a dia. of .23 the other is .41. The larger wire is connected so when 12V is applied to the small tab on the outside of the solenoid (normal attachment point) the plunger inside reacts and closes the large contacts to send the high amperage to the motor, all simple stuff. It's the smaller wire I'm wondering about. It is attached in the same place as the larger wire (where the 12V start signal is applied to) on the out side, but it's where these two wires are grounded that I'm wondering. The bigger wire (.41) is grounded to the large external (13mm) nut that goes to the starter motor, the smaller wire (.23) is grounded to a metal plate inside the solenoid (by the way that was the problem, that attachment had broken). The question is; why two different windings and why the two different grounding points? (The smaller wire is a little longer). B Jerry Christopherson From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 16:06:35 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:06:35 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Hoses In-Reply-To: <4909F774.2000604@SoCal.rr.com> References: <4909F774.2000604@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: Why not just get the hoses from SS or classic sunbeam? Support those guys.. buying a hose from them probably ensures they stcok/make a bunch of rare parts we also need -- Regards Michael King From jteepen at usatoday.com Thu Oct 30 16:21:04 2008 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:21:04 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Radiator Hoses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9FF002B4A98E0F4FB752C81A06F004E9727AAAF621@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> Excellent point, support the Sunbeam community suppliers. Also, the NAPA hose for the lower application does not have a slight bend that helps keep the hose away from the fan belt, which can wear through the hose and make everything smell funny... -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:07 PM To: Steve Laifman Cc: CoolVT at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Radiator Hoses Why not just get the hoses from SS or classic sunbeam? Support those guys.. buying a hose from them probably ensures they stcok/make a bunch of rare parts we also need -- Regards Michael King From stubrennan at comcast.net Thu Oct 30 16:30:01 2008 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:30:01 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] trim fasteners and a lube you never knew you needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c93ae7$70937c60$6601a8c0@Brennan> When I replaced the lift dot studs on my Tiger, I found a good selection of them at a marine supply store. Same size SS stud on top, but there was a good variety of bottom styles. Up where you live, there should be a few of these stores in town. Stu -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:21 PM To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] trim fasteners and a lube you never knew you needed The soft top vinyl cover is fixed to the body by a series of "Lift-the-Dot" fasteners. Two of these fasteners fixed to the body are "double length"studs, say 1" instead of the normal 1/2". I tried to buy some double length studs with machine screw bottom instead of sheet metal screw bottomfrom Rick at S/S and he said he doesn't have them anymore and his supplier can't get them. I Googled "Lift-the-Dot" and found no 1" with machine screw bottom units on any site including the manufacturing company in the US. I even sent them an e-mail to find out if they were available. ---NOPE--- I googled "google.co.uk" for Lift-the-Dot and found them at Tim Hodgekiss's site _www.vintagemotorspares.com_ (http://www.vintagemotorspares.com) , called him on Skype and he has 'em in stock and could get a 1K quantity if Rick wanted them. I reported back to Rick so he can get them if he chooses. But: anybody know of any in the US? ------------------------------------------------------------------- On another topic, while searching I found an interesting lube for zippers (same place, on the vinyl soft top cover. See quote below: "Zipper and Snap Lubricant protects and helps keep your fasteners working smoothly. Zippers glide up and down. Inhibits corrosion and salt build up. Easy to apply gel. This product should be in every boat! Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir =http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Oct 30 16:39:09 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:39:09 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Correct intake and carb In-Reply-To: <20081030.171739.26641.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <6BFFA04D528B4966B20506B87DC6D819@ronpc1> Tim C4OE - 9425 is the correct 2 bbl intake manifold for a 260; color should be black. This is a casting number so the meaning of the E is more likely Engineering; the rest of it is right. The carb tag numbers look weird to me or a least not what I expected. Look at the base plate of the carb in front of the throttle linkage and read the number stamped there. With that number I should be able to tell you what you have for a carb. Pictures to the list will be deleted by the List server unless it is a web site address to the picture. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of un-cole-a at juno.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:18 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Correct intake and carb To All Took a look at my carb and intake today in preparation to pull the carb and have it rebuilt. The intake is correct according to the BON. Intake: Stamped Ford and the color is Blue C4OE 9425 Firing Order 15426378 C 1960 4 1964 O Fairlane E Engine I thought the O Fairlane decode was a little weird, is this right??? My problem is I'm having a hard time decoding the carb. The carb has Motorcraft stamped on it and the tag numbers look like this: 4P EC A8F 13 Any help with a decode would be greatly appreciated. Will try to post a pix if I can figure out my daughters camera. Thanks in advance. Tim B9470149 _____________________________________________________________ Help is here! Click now for simple and easy Financial Advice. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m2fnPO0XgwlAVGrgWqLkgugRL R Vb3VhQDklxK0GnbidBzBA/?count=1234567890 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1757 - Release Date: 10/30/2008 2:35 PM From DJoh797014 at aol.com Thu Oct 30 16:52:56 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:52:56 EDT Subject: [Tigers] trim fasteners and a lube you never knew you needed Message-ID: Your local marine supply shop has lots of snaps and lift the dots stuff. I added the double longth studs to my car so that I can snap down the tonneau over the vinyl boot. There has been a reported problem with stretching the vinyl over the taller stud. No problem has showed up with my boot. Dave In a message dated 10/30/2008 3:21:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Rollright at aol.com writes: The soft top vinyl cover is fixed to the body by a series of "Lift-the-Dot" fasteners. Two of these fasteners fixed to the body are "double length"studs, say 1" instead of the normal 1/2". I tried to buy some double length studs with machine screw bottom instead of sheet metal screw bottomfrom Rick at S/S and he said he doesn't have them anymore and his supplier can't get them. I Googled "Lift-the-Dot" and found no 1" with machine screw bottom units on any site including the manufacturing company in the US. I even sent them an e-mail to find out if they were available. ---NOPE--- I googled "google.co.uk" for Lift-the-Dot and found them at Tim Hodgekiss's site _www.vintagemotorspares.com_ (http://www.vintagemotorspares.com) , called him on Skype and he has 'em in stock and could get a 1K quantity if Rick wanted them. I reported back to Rick so he can get them if he chooses. But: anybody know of any in the US? ------------------------------------------------------------------- On another topic, while searching I found an interesting lube for zippers (same place, on the vinyl soft top cover. See quote below: "Zipper and Snap Lubricant protects and helps keep your fasteners working smoothly. Zippers glide up and down. Inhibits corrosion and salt build up. Easy to apply gel. This product should be in every boat! Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http: //travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) From srwick at hotmail.com Thu Oct 30 18:46:15 2008 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:46:15 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Starter solenoid In-Reply-To: <5BA97346D3E940A18EF16EC4AF977EDC@jerry> References: <5BA97346D3E940A18EF16EC4AF977EDC@jerry> Message-ID: You have two circuits in the solenoid, a "start" circuit and a "hold" circuit. It takes more electromagnetic force to start the solenoid moving than to hold it in place. The higher force is generated when you first turn the key to start moving the plunger. Both wires are generating electromagnetic force. Once the contacts are made, you'll have 12V on both sides of the larger wire and no current will flow through that circuit. Only the smaller "hold" circuit will be energized until you release the key. This system allows higher reliability in solenoid engagement without generating higher heat and risking burning out the solenoid sooner. Hope this all makes sense. Steve (in N.Id.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry To: TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:23 AM Subject: [Tigers] Starter solenoid List, Here is a question for all those electrical/electronics engineer types out there. Being the curious person I am I decided to cut apart a Ford starter solenoid that was acting up, it was giving a little "chatter" as it engaged. Now these things are sealed at the factory and not intended to take apart for any service, but I'm always curious. The specific starter I'm talking about is the small geared starter that is on most all the ford engines since the early 90's, and fits very well on our Tigers. They are lighter, more powerful and draw less power. And if you have headers you can take them in and out without removing any thing else. Two ways to wire them up, either works just fine. Mine has been in for 8 years, I bought it at a junk yard for $30.00. The symptom that my friend had (347 Ford race car) is as I said in the beginning it sounded like a little chatter when engaging, as if the solenoid was "bouncing" before finally engaging. I removed the starter and tested it and it would run just fine except for the chatter so I concluded that the solenoid may be the problem, a new one solved the problem. Now to the question. I cut the solenoid apart, there are two windings in the solenoid, one with a dia. of .23 the other is .41. The larger wire is connected so when 12V is applied to the small tab on the outside of the solenoid (normal attachment point) the plunger inside reacts and closes the large contacts to send the high amperage to the motor, all simple stuff. It's the smaller wire I'm wondering about. It is attached in the same place as the larger wire (where the 12V start signal is applied to) on the out side, but it's where these two wires are grounded that I'm wondering. The bigger wire (.41) is grounded to the large external (13mm) nut that goes to the starter motor, the smaller wire (.23) is grounded to a metal plate inside the solenoid (by the way that was the problem, that attachment had broken). The question is; why two different windings and why the two different grounding points? (The smaller wire is a little longer). Jerry Christopherson PS Anyone else going to SEMA? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From srwick at hotmail.com Thu Oct 30 18:52:51 2008 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:52:51 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Monster Miata Madness and more. In-Reply-To: <008201c93acc$a8cff470$6401a8c0@your03667082de> References: <008201c93acc$a8cff470$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: About a year or so ago, Mustangs and Fords did an article on a company, in Florida IIRC, that took Miatas', removed the body panels and modified 1965 Mustang sheetmetal for it. It looked like a 7/8 scale 2 seater Mustang convertible. They also added a supercharger to it. It seems like the body kit was about $8K installed on your car and the supercharger a couple of g's more. I liked it and made me think about picking up one of the little buggers some day. Steve (in N. Id.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey Nichols To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: [Tigers] Monster Miata Madness and more. "Problem is....it's a Miata. I have never seen a heterosexual man drive a Miata." I've seen a metrosexual driving a Miata. Is that close enough? Last summer on Woodward there was "Monster Miata" with some type of body kit that looked quasi Ferrari-ish. Not a bad looking conversion. It even had a badge on the front hood that said "Monster Miata" A friend of mine had a 2003 Mazda Miata that he bought new and I took it for a drive. Maybe it didn't have the "get up and go" of the Tiger but the suspension was light years ahead in handling. Back in August at a car show there was a Pontiac Solstice that a company called Mallett installed a 400hp GM LS2 v8. You supply the car and $21,285.75 for a V8 Solstice. I like the 75 cent charge. What could it be for, stamps? Here is the web page: http://www.mallettcars.com/solstice-conversion.htm Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 30 19:03:23 2008 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:03:23 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Monster Miata Madness and more. In-Reply-To: <008201c93acc$a8cff470$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: Yes, it's the 3 quarters trick Sly pulled. PS The SKY also has that kit available. A Modern Tiger? Subject: [Tigers] Monster Miata Madness and more. "Problem is....it's a Miata. I have never seen a heterosexual man drive a Miata." I've seen a metrosexual driving a Miata. Is that close enough? Last summer on Woodward there was "Monster Miata" with some type of body kit that looked quasi Ferrari-ish. Not a bad looking conversion. It even had a badge on the front hood that said "Monster Miata" A friend of mine had a 2003 Mazda Miata that he bought new and I took it for a drive. Maybe it didn't have the "get up and go" of the Tiger but the suspension was light years ahead in handling. Back in August at a car show there was a Pontiac Solstice that a company called Mallett installed a 400hp GM LS2 v8. You supply the car and $21,285.75 for a V8 Solstice. I like the 75 cent charge. What could it be for, stamps? Here is the web page: http://www.mallettcars.com/solstice-conversion.htm Jeff From srwick at hotmail.com Thu Oct 30 19:08:12 2008 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:08:12 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Monster Miata Madness and more. In-Reply-To: <008201c93acc$a8cff470$6401a8c0@your03667082de> References: <008201c93acc$a8cff470$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: Here ya go. http://www.mustangandfords.com/featuredvehicles/mufp_0704_1965_m1stang_conver tible/index.html Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: steve wick To: tigers at autox.team.net ; Jeffrey Nichols Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Monster Miata Madness and more. About a year or so ago, Mustangs and Fords did an article on a company, in Florida IIRC, that took Miatas', removed the body panels and modified 1965 Mustang sheetmetal for it. It looked like a 7/8 scale 2 seater Mustang convertible. They also added a supercharger to it. It seems like the body kit was about $8K installed on your car and the supercharger a couple of g's more. I liked it and made me think about picking up one of the little buggers some day. Steve (in N. Id.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey Nichols> To: tigers at autox.team.net> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: [Tigers] Monster Miata Madness and more. "Problem is....it's a Miata. I have never seen a heterosexual man drive a Miata." I've seen a metrosexual driving a Miata. Is that close enough? Last summer on Woodward there was "Monster Miata" with some type of body kit that looked quasi Ferrari-ish. Not a bad looking conversion. It even had a badge on the front hood that said "Monster Miata" A friend of mine had a 2003 Mazda Miata that he bought new and I took it for a drive. Maybe it didn't have the "get up and go" of the Tiger but the suspension was light years ahead in handling. Back in August at a car show there was a Pontiac Solstice that a company called Mallett installed a 400hp GM LS2 v8. You supply the car and $21,285.75 for a V8 Solstice. I like the 75 cent charge. What could it be for, stamps? Here is the web page: http://www.mallettcars.com/solstice-conversion.htm /solstice-conversion.htm> Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> Tigers at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers /listinfo/tigers> http://www.team.net/archive> _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From todbrown at roadrunner.com Thu Oct 30 19:21:02 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:21:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Retractable 3 point seat belts (Shoulder belt style) Message-ID: <490A6B8E.1030301@roadrunner.com> Kim: Someone may beat me to it, but here is the authoritative reference: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/PaulickLaifmanBelts/rt-PaulickLaifmanBelts1.asp I have done it and it works well. Cheers, Tod B382002384LRXFE From todbrown at roadrunner.com Thu Oct 30 19:58:39 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:58:39 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Heterosexuals and Miatas Message-ID: <490A745F.7020305@roadrunner.com> "Problem is....it's a Miata. I have never seen a heterosexual man drive a Miata." My best friend owns a Miata. He's almost 70 years old, has three kids, his ori ginal wife, coaches football, is an army veteran and an Irish Catholic. He's a bout as straight as they come. He even balances his wheels with lead weights, ;>) Tod B382002384LRXFE From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 30 20:08:39 2008 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:08:39 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Monster Miata Madness and more. Shriner car? References: <008201c93acc$a8cff470$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: <001301c93b05$f9d179a0$6401a8c0@your03667082de> The photos remind me of a kids Mustang pedal car they used to sell in the 60's. Or maybe one of those cars the Shriners drive in parades. I can just see one driving down the street with the driver wearing a fez, his passenger waving a large chrome scimitar and playing a kazoo..... and doing circles in the middle of the street. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: steve wick To: tigers at autox.team.net ; Jeffrey Nichols ; steve wick Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 22:08 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Monster Miata Madness and more. Here ya go. http://www.mustangandfords.com/featuredvehicles/mufp_0704_1965_m1stang_conv ertible/index.html Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: steve wick To: tigers at autox.team.net ; Jeffrey Nichols Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Monster Miata Madness and more. About a year or so ago, Mustangs and Fords did an article on a company, in Florida IIRC, that took Miatas', removed the body panels and modified 1965 Mustang sheetmetal for it. It looked like a 7/8 scale 2 seater Mustang convertible. They also added a supercharger to it. It seems like the body kit was about $8K installed on your car and the supercharger a couple of g's more. I liked it and made me think about picking up one of the little buggers some day. Steve (in N. Id.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey Nichols To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: [Tigers] Monster Miata Madness and more. "Problem is....it's a Miata. I have never seen a heterosexual man drive a Miata." I've seen a metrosexual driving a Miata. Is that close enough? Last summer on Woodward there was "Monster Miata" with some type of body kit that looked quasi Ferrari-ish. Not a bad looking conversion. It even had a badge on the front hood that said "Monster Miata" A friend of mine had a 2003 Mazda Miata that he bought new and I took it for a drive. Maybe it didn't have the "get up and go" of the Tiger but the suspension was light years ahead in handling. Back in August at a car show there was a Pontiac Solstice that a company called Mallett installed a 400hp GM LS2 v8. You supply the car and $21,285.75 for a V8 Solstice. I like the 75 cent charge. What could it be for, stamps? Here is the web page: http://www.mallettcars.com/solstice-conversion.htm Jeff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From chris at cthompson.net Thu Oct 30 20:19:37 2008 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:19:37 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Heterosexuals and Miatas In-Reply-To: <490A745F.7020305@roadrunner.com> References: <490A745F.7020305@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <490A7949.5030304@cthompson.net> I've instructed folks on the track in Miata's and gotta say they are *very* fun, capable cars. Maybe the most capable production British sports car ever built until the Lotus Elise. And try running in the Spec Miata race series and see who feels like who is a metrosexual ;-) Chris B382000331 1962 Jaguar E-type 1969 Lotus 51c Formula Ford Tod Brown wrote: > "Problem is....it's a Miata. I have never seen a heterosexual man drive a > Miata." > > My best friend owns a Miata. He's almost 70 years old, has three kids, his ori > ginal wife, coaches football, is an army veteran and an Irish Catholic. He's a > bout as straight as they come. He even balances his wheels with lead weights, > ;>) > > Tod > B382002384LRXFE From sralsten at ca.rr.com Thu Oct 30 21:31:36 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 0:31:36 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Heterosexuals and Miatas Message-ID: <28721475.997391225427496705.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web05-z02> Perhaps he doesn't know ? Actually I've known several guys that own Miatas. There's a Lotus website I used to visit a lot that had a poll. Which car is the most girlie ? a) New VW Bug b) Miata c) 6 cyl Mustang I can't recall who won, probably the new bug, but everybody has different ideas. I've been told my Tiger is "cute" several times and I once heard a young guy in a passing SUV remark "that old car is real faggy" Steve ---- Tod Brown wrote: > "Problem is....it's a Miata. I have never seen a heterosexual man drive a > Miata." > > My best friend owns a Miata. He's almost 70 years old, has three kids, his ori > ginal wife, coaches football, is an army veteran and an Irish Catholic. He's a > bout as straight as they come. He even balances his wheels with lead weights, > ;>) > > Tod > B382002384LRXFE From sganz at pacbell.net Thu Oct 30 22:55:00 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Bud's Shop Saturday Message-ID: <302954.16488.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does anyone have the address and time information for the meeting that is going on at Bud's shop on Saturday? Thanks Sandy From atwittsend at verizon.net Thu Oct 30 22:59:08 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:59:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Bud's Shop Saturday References: <302954.16488.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <410CC183CF034B59B2F885A0CA32CC35@student2> Nov 1st Sat 8:30 am Swap meet, TAC event, membership nomination meeting at Bud's shop in Anaheim. (2950 E Coronado). Enter from parking lot behind, south of the building. Sourced from http://www.catmbr.org/Events1.htm Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Ganz" To: Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:55 PM Subject: [Tigers] Bud's Shop Saturday > Does anyone have the address and time information for the meeting that is > going on at Bud's shop on Saturday? > > Thanks > > Sandy > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1757 - Release Date: 10/30/2008 2:35 PM [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1757 - Release Date: 10/30/2008 2:35 PM From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 04:08:55 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:08:55 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Heterosexuals and Miatas In-Reply-To: <490A745F.7020305@roadrunner.com> References: <490A745F.7020305@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0810310408w4b3b17a0s691613f594d1478e@mail.gmail.com> catholic eh... On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 2:58 AM, Tod Brown wrote: > "Problem is....it's a Miata. I have never seen a heterosexual man drive a > Miata." > > My best friend owns a Miata. He's almost 70 years old, has three kids, his ori > ginal wife, coaches football, is an army veteran and an Irish Catholic. He's a > bout as straight as they come. He even balances his wheels with lead weights, > ;>) > > Tod > B382002384LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Fri Oct 31 05:30:15 2008 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 07:30:15 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Heterosexuals and Miatas In-Reply-To: <490A745F.7020305@roadrunner.com> References: <490A745F.7020305@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <000001c93b54$6e0a9a10$4a1fce30$@rr.com> There is an exception to every rule ;>) Do a poll during the next week. Every Miata you see, observe the gender of who is driving it. I have had "girly" comments about my Tiger too..........until I start it. More girly than the Miata is a BMW Z3. Duke B382002037 - the "girly" car. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tod Brown Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 21:59 To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Heterosexuals and Miatas "Problem is....it's a Miata. I have never seen a heterosexual man drive a Miata." My best friend owns a Miata. He's almost 70 years old, has three kids, his ori ginal wife, coaches football, is an army veteran and an Irish Catholic. He's a bout as straight as they come. He even balances his wheels with lead weights, ;>) Tod B382002384LRXFE Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From gswaybright at yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 05:36:28 2008 From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 05:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Heterosexuals and Miatas In-Reply-To: <490A7949.5030304@cthompson.net> Message-ID: <458931.27571.qm@web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The image stigma of a Miata is difficult to escape, but my Miata is the last car of my "toys" that I'd give up. Back in the 90's I shared a friends Miata for auto-cross, then years of track days in my own Miata as student and instructor, and now I run Spec Miata in addition to my street car (and my auto-X buddy now runs a team of ~7 cars in the Playboy MX-5 Cup SCCA Pro series.) My 6 year old kids love the Miata, though only one can ride with me at a time. My wife tolerates it more than the Tiger (Tiger's too loud and scary fast). If you're a true hard core enthusiast driver, you need to own a Miata (or if you have the $$$ a Lotus Elise/Exige.) If the image thing bothers you too much, that's your problem, not the cars. Stephen --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Chris Thompson wrote: > From: Chris Thompson > I've instructed folks on the track in Miata's and > gotta say they are *very* fun, capable cars. Maybe the most > capable production British sports car ever built until the > Lotus Elise. > > And try running in the Spec Miata race series and see who > feels like who is a metrosexual ;-) > > Chris > B382000331 > 1962 Jaguar E-type > 1969 Lotus 51c Formula Ford > > Tod Brown wrote: > > "Problem is....it's a Miata. I have never > seen a heterosexual man drive a > > Miata." > > > > My best friend owns a Miata. He's almost 70 years > old, has three kids, his ori > > ginal wife, coaches football, is an army veteran and > an Irish Catholic. He's a > > bout as straight as they come. He even balances his > wheels with lead weights, ;>) > > > > Tod > > B382002384LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 05:41:36 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:41:36 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Heterosexuals and Miatas In-Reply-To: <458931.27571.qm@web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <490A7949.5030304@cthompson.net> <458931.27571.qm@web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0810310541p3f6df559s11d88f910dec135a@mail.gmail.com> my sister had a couple of mx5's from new and i always enjoyed driving them immensely. really felt like a perfectly set up '60 sports car in the same way the new mini somehow feels like the old mini. they have a fierce heater too :) On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Stephen Waybright wrote: > The image stigma of a Miata is difficult to escape, but my Miata is the last car of my "toys" that I'd give up. Back in the 90's I shared a friends Miata for auto-cross, then years of track days in my own Miata as student and instructor, and now I run Spec Miata in addition to my street car (and my auto-X buddy now runs a team of ~7 cars in the Playboy MX-5 Cup SCCA Pro series.) > > My 6 year old kids love the Miata, though only one can ride with me at a time. My wife tolerates it more than the Tiger (Tiger's too loud and scary fast). > > If you're a true hard core enthusiast driver, you need to own a Miata (or if you have the $$$ a Lotus Elise/Exige.) If the image thing bothers you too much, that's your problem, not the cars. > > Stephen > > > --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Chris Thompson wrote: > >> From: Chris Thompson > >> I've instructed folks on the track in Miata's and >> gotta say they are *very* fun, capable cars. Maybe the most >> capable production British sports car ever built until the >> Lotus Elise. >> >> And try running in the Spec Miata race series and see who >> feels like who is a metrosexual ;-) >> >> Chris >> B382000331 >> 1962 Jaguar E-type >> 1969 Lotus 51c Formula Ford >> >> Tod Brown wrote: >> > "Problem is....it's a Miata. I have never >> seen a heterosexual man drive a >> > Miata." >> > >> > My best friend owns a Miata. He's almost 70 years >> old, has three kids, his ori >> > ginal wife, coaches football, is an army veteran and >> an Irish Catholic. He's a >> > bout as straight as they come. He even balances his >> wheels with lead weights, ;>) >> > >> > Tod >> > B382002384LRXFE >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From prmnes at verizon.net Fri Oct 31 06:24:31 2008 From: prmnes at verizon.net (Paul Memont) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:24:31 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Heterosexuals and Miatas In-Reply-To: <490A7949.5030304@cthompson.net> References: <490A745F.7020305@roadrunner.com> <490A7949.5030304@cthompson.net> Message-ID: <490B070F.5030303@verizon.net> Chris Thompson wrote: > I've instructed folks on the track in Miata's and gotta say they are > *very* fun, capable cars. Maybe the most capable production British > sports car ever built until the Lotus Elise. > > And try running in the Spec Miata race series and see who feels like > who is a metrosexual ;-) > > Chris > B382000331 > 1962 Jaguar E-type > 1969 Lotus 51c Formula Ford > > Tod Brown wrote: >> "Problem is....it's a Miata. I have never seen a heterosexual man >> drive a >> Miata." >> >> My best friend owns a Miata. He's almost 70 years old, has three >> kids, his ori >> ginal wife, coaches football, is an army veteran and an Irish >> Catholic. He's a >> bout as straight as they come. He even balances his wheels with lead >> weights, ;>) >> >> Tod >> B382002384LRXFE From cmccann at lwpb.com Fri Oct 31 06:23:23 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:23:23 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Heterosexuals and Miatas In-Reply-To: <39a841b0810310541p3f6df559s11d88f910dec135a@mail.gmail.com> References: <490A7949.5030304@cthompson.net> <458931.27571.qm@web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <39a841b0810310541p3f6df559s11d88f910dec135a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647338BB37318@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Miatas arent that bad. I have spent some time in one and felt pretty confident, but then I found myself behind the wheel of a bmw isetta 300.... and then people definitely started to question my orientation. c From todbrown at roadrunner.com Fri Oct 31 06:35:28 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:35:28 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Heterosexuals and Miatas In-Reply-To: <490A7949.5030304@cthompson.net> References: <490A745F.7020305@roadrunner.com> <490A7949.5030304@cthompson.net> Message-ID: <490B09A0.6050703@roadrunner.com> Uh, Miatas are not British..... Chris Thompson wrote: > I've instructed folks on the track in Miata's and gotta say they are > *very* fun, capable cars. Maybe the most capable production British > sports car ever built until the Lotus Elise. > > And try running in the Spec Miata race series and see who feels like > who is a metrosexual ;-) > > Chris > B382000331 > 1962 Jaguar E-type > 1969 Lotus 51c Formula Ford > > Tod Brown wrote: >> "Problem is....it's a Miata. I have never seen a heterosexual man >> drive a >> Miata." >> >> My best friend owns a Miata. He's almost 70 years old, has three >> kids, his ori >> ginal wife, coaches football, is an army veteran and an Irish >> Catholic. He's a >> bout as straight as they come. He even balances his wheels with lead >> weights, ;>) >> >> Tod >> B382002384LRXFE From Rollright at aol.com Fri Oct 31 06:37:29 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:37:29 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Lift-the-Dot long studs for soft top cover Message-ID: Hello, Marine stores in my town, Marblehead, Mass (surrounded by ocean with lots and lots of such places) do not have the long Lift-the-Dot" long studs with machine screw bottom fixing. And there are no marine suppliers, including Lift-the -Dot US manufacturing company currently supplying the marine people with same. Any other ideas? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) From todbrown at roadrunner.com Fri Oct 31 06:39:07 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:39:07 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Heterosexuals and Miatas In-Reply-To: <28721475.997391225427496705.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web05-z02> References: <28721475.997391225427496705.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web05-z02> Message-ID: <490B0A7B.1020800@roadrunner.com> Well, we don't need to get into the reasons why some people buy SUV's, do we? Wait, wait ... we're getting way off topic. Tod B382002384LRXFE sralsten at ca.rr.com wrote: Perhaps he doesn't know ? Actually I've known several guys that own Miatas. The re's a Lotus website I used to visit a lot that had a poll. Which car is the mo st girlie ? a) New VW Bug b) Miata c) 6 cyl Mustang I can't recall who won, probably the new bug, but everybody has different ideas . I've been told my Tiger is "cute" several times and I once heard a young guy in a passing SUV remark "that old car is real faggy" Steve ---- Tod Brown wrote: "Problem is....it's a Miata. I have never seen a heterosexual man drive a Miata." My best friend owns a Miata. He's almost 70 years old, has three kids, his ori ginal wife, coaches football, is an army veteran and an Irish Catholic. He's a bout as straight as they come. He even balances his wheels with lead weights, ;>) Tod B382002384LRXFE From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Fri Oct 31 06:41:00 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:41:00 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Heterosexuals and Miatas Message-ID: They were designed to be the essence of British small sports cars. In a message dated 10/31/2008 6:36:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, todbrown at roadrunner.com writes: Uh, Miatas are not British..... Chris Thompson wrote: > I've instructed folks on the track in Miata's and gotta say they are > *very* fun, capable cars. Maybe the most capable production British > sports car ever built until the Lotus Elise. > > And try running in the Spec Miata race series and see who feels like > who is a metrosexual ;-) > > Chris > B382000331 > 1962 Jaguar E-type > 1969 Lotus 51c Formula Ford > > Tod Brown wrote: >> "Problem is....it's a Miata. I have never seen a heterosexual man >> drive a >> Miata." >> >> My best friend owns a Miata. He's almost 70 years old, has three >> kids, his ori >> ginal wife, coaches football, is an army veteran and an Irish >> Catholic. He's a >> bout as straight as they come. He even balances his wheels with lead >> weights, ;>) >> >> Tod >> B382002384LRXFE Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) From todbrown at roadrunner.com Fri Oct 31 06:41:21 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:41:21 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Heterosexuals and Miatas In-Reply-To: <39a841b0810310408w4b3b17a0s691613f594d1478e@mail.gmail.com> References: <490A745F.7020305@roadrunner.com> <39a841b0810310408w4b3b17a0s691613f594d1478e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <490B0B01.7070207@roadrunner.com> Ah, yes - 'tis a sin, ;>) Tod B382002384LRXFE Owain Lloyd wrote: catholic eh... On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 2:58 AM, Tod Brown wrote: "Problem is....it's a Miata. I have never seen a heterosexual man drive a Miata." My best friend owns a Miata. He's almost 70 years old, has three kids, his ori ginal wife, coaches football, is an army veteran and an Irish Catholic. He's a bout as straight as they come. He even balances his wheels with lead weights, ;>) Tod B382002384LRXFE Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Fri Oct 31 06:47:03 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:47:03 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Lift-the-Dot long studs for soft top cover Message-ID: _http://canvasdealer.com/snaps.aspx_ (http://canvasdealer.com/snaps.aspx) In a message dated 10/31/2008 6:37:53 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Rollright at aol.com writes: Hello, Marine stores in my town, Marblehead, Mass (surrounded by ocean with lots and lots of such places) do not have the long Lift-the-Dot" long studs with machine screw bottom fixing. And there are no marine suppliers, including Lift-the -Dot US manufacturing company currently supplying the marine people with same. Any other ideas? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http: //travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) From todbrown at roadrunner.com Fri Oct 31 06:48:17 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:48:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Heterosexuals and Miatas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <490B0CA1.4030003@roadrunner.com> How could they be? They are as reliable as dirt, never leak, don't use Lucas parts, ride well (IRS) and some even have A/C. Doesn't sound British to me! Tod B382002384LRXFE AAAGLASSS at aol.com wrote: They were designed to be the essence of British small sports cars. In a message dated 10/31/2008 6:36:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, todbrown at roadrunner.com writes: Uh, Miatas are not British..... Chris Thompson wrote: > I've instructed folks on the track in Miata's and gotta say they are > *very* fun, capable cars. Maybe the most capable production British > sports car ever built until the Lotus Elise. > > And try running in the Spec Miata race series and see who feels like > who is a metrosexual ;-) > > Chris > B382000331 > 1962 Jaguar E-type > 1969 Lotus 51c Formula Ford > > Tod Brown wrote: >> "Problem is....it's a Miata. I have never seen a heterosexual man >> drive a >> Miata." >> >> My best friend owns a Miata. He's almost 70 years old, has three >> kids, his ori >> ginal wife, coaches football, is an army veteran and an Irish >> Catholic. He's a >> bout as straight as they come. He even balances his wheels with lead >> weights, ;>) >> >> Tod >> B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _________________________________________________________________ Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! From mrlau at charter.net Fri Oct 31 07:10:47 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:10:47 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Heterosexuals and Miatas Message-ID: <20081031141049.MTUV128.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> Maybe he is talking about California only. Soon, depending on the vote, two of the people he is talking about that own Miata's there will be able to get married to each other. -- Bill -- Perhaps he doesn't know ? Actually I've known several guys that own Miatas. There's a Lotus website I used to visit a lot that had a poll. Which car is the most girlie ? a) New VW Bug b) Miata c) 6 cyl Mustang I can't recall who won, probably the new bug, but everybody has different ideas. I've been told my Tiger is "cute" several times and I once heard a young guy in a passing SUV remark "that old car is real faggy" Steve ---- Tod Brown wrote: > "Problem is....it's a Miata. I have never seen a heterosexual man drive a > Miata." > > My best friend owns a Miata. He's almost 70 years old, has three kids, his ori > ginal wife, coaches football, is an army veteran and an Irish Catholic. He's a > bout as straight as they come. He even balances his wheels with lead weights, > ;>) > > Tod > B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ From parlanti at comcast.net Fri Oct 31 07:25:33 2008 From: parlanti at comcast.net (parlanti at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:25:33 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Heterosexuals and Miatas Message-ID: <103120081425.19862.490B155D0006B3E300004D962215593414079B020E049D0E9F@comcast.net> While I do agree that many women drive Z3s, I would defy anyone to call my M Roadster a "girly car". I like to think of it as being Tiger-like in that it looks similar to the more pedestrian version, but to those who know the car, it's a completely different animal. Cheers, Joe Parlanti 1966 Tiger Mk1A 1959 Abarth Zagato 750GT (vintage race car) 2000 BMW M Roadster -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Samouce's" > There is an exception to every rule ;>) > > Do a poll during the next week. Every Miata you see, observe the gender of > who is driving it. > > I have had "girly" comments about my Tiger too..........until I start it. > More girly than the Miata is a BMW Z3. > > Duke > B382002037 - the "girly" car. From Sjhcobra1 at cs.com Fri Oct 31 09:13:59 2008 From: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Sjhcobra1 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:13:59 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Heterosexuals and Miatas Message-ID: <017C8BCB.4E01C490.028BE4CD@cs.com> And MAZDA succeeed. I've owned a 92 and a 99 and found them to be loads of fun and bullet proof. Steve Halbrook AAAGLASSS at aol.com wrote: >They were designed to be the essence of British small sports cars. From lon at sedona.net Fri Oct 31 10:27:20 2008 From: lon at sedona.net (Lon) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:27:20 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Final word on Miatas Message-ID: <001d01c93b7d$ee7781d0$2601000a@LONW> Besides the issue of many of the spec racers driving way over their respective heads running with Vintage groups (Had one run me off the track in HSR-West), my daughter had the best line for these little beasts when one went by last week with a balding driver: "Gawd Dad, they just scream midlife crisis" Lon From MWood24020 at aol.com Fri Oct 31 10:18:24 2008 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:18:24 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Final word on Miatas Message-ID: Slagging on Miatas has long been a popular sport...but, based on the smiles I typically see on the faces of those driving, autocrossing, or racing their Miotters, I don't think it really has much impact on their enjoyment. ;-) **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net Fri Oct 31 11:19:18 2008 From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:19:18 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Final word on Miatas In-Reply-To: <001d01c93b7d$ee7781d0$2601000a@LONW> References: <001d01c93b7d$ee7781d0$2601000a@LONW> Message-ID: <490B4C26.9070007@cox.net> I thought midlife crisis involved buying a car from one's youth--like, say, a Sunbeam Tiger?? :-) Best Regards David Sosna P.S. Tigerless, but driving a Miata these days. P.P.S. My wife always used to refer to the Tiger as "cute". AAAArgh! No!!! It's got a gut-thumping macho 302! It's Butch! Really! Lon wrote: > Besides the issue of many of the spec racers driving way over their respective > heads running with Vintage groups (Had one run me off the track in HSR-West), > my daughter had the best line for these little beasts when one went by last > week with a balding driver: "Gawd Dad, they just scream midlife crisis" > > Lon From drmayf at mayfco.com Fri Oct 31 11:33:36 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:33:36 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Final word on Miatas In-Reply-To: <490B4C26.9070007@cox.net> References: <001d01c93b7d$ee7781d0$2601000a@LONW> <490B4C26.9070007@cox.net> Message-ID: <490B4F80.4030707@mayfco.com> Dang, if that's the accepted definition of mid-life crisis, then I been in one since 1967, lol.... How long is it supposed to last? mayf David Sosna wrote: > I thought midlife crisis involved buying a car from one's youth--like, > say, a Sunbeam Tiger?? :-) > > Best Regards > David Sosna > P.S. Tigerless, but driving a Miata these days. > P.P.S. My wife always used to refer to the Tiger as "cute". AAAArgh! > No!!! It's got a gut-thumping macho 302! It's Butch! > Really! > > > Lon wrote: > >> Besides the issue of many of the spec racers driving way over their >> respective >> heads running with Vintage groups (Had one run me off the track in >> HSR-West), >> my daughter had the best line for these little beasts when one went >> by last >> week with a balding driver: "Gawd Dad, they just scream midlife crisis" >> >> L From cmccann at lwpb.com Fri Oct 31 11:33:30 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:33:30 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Final word on Miatas In-Reply-To: <490B4F80.4030707@mayfco.com> References: <001d01c93b7d$ee7781d0$2601000a@LONW> <490B4C26.9070007@cox.net> <490B4F80.4030707@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647338BB373D9@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> you guys crack me up....it says "final word on miatas"...but the conversation continues....nothing "final" about it!...lol! Subject: Re: [Tigers] Final word on Miatas Dang, if that's the accepted definition of mid-life crisis, then I been in one since 1967, lol.... How long is it supposed to last? mayf David Sosna wrote: > I thought midlife crisis involved buying a car from one's youth--like, > say, a Sunbeam Tiger?? :-) > > Best Regards > David Sosna > P.S. Tigerless, but driving a Miata these days. > P.P.S. My wife always used to refer to the Tiger as "cute". AAAArgh! > No!!! It's got a gut-thumping macho 302! It's Butch! > Really! > > > Lon wrote: > >> Besides the issue of many of the spec racers driving way over their >> respective >> heads running with Vintage groups (Had one run me off the track in >> HSR-West), >> my daughter had the best line for these little beasts when one went >> by last >> week with a balding driver: "Gawd Dad, they just scream midlife crisis" From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Fri Oct 31 11:42:28 2008 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:42:28 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Starter solenoid In-Reply-To: References: <5BA97346D3E940A18EF16EC4AF977EDC@jerry> Message-ID: <52AF7A60D4E14EB4AF170301E2835A71@jerry> Steve, That makes PERFECT sense. I was having trouble understanding the "big" wire going to the big terminal and in effect cancelling out the 12V signal. You made it very clear. Thanks Jerry Christopherson 9473187 _____ From: steve wick [mailto:srwick at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:46 PM To: TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET; Jerry Subject: Re: [Tigers] Starter solenoid You have two circuits in the solenoid, a "start" circuit and a "hold" circuit. It takes more electromagnetic force to start the solenoid moving than to hold it in place. The higher force is generated when you first turn the key to start moving the plunger. Both wires are generating electromagnetic force. Once the contacts are made, you'll have 12V on both sides of the larger wire and no current will flow through that circuit. Only the smaller "hold" circuit will be energized until you release the key. This system allows higher reliability in solenoid engagement without generating higher heat and risking burning out the solenoid sooner. Hope this all makes sense. Steve (in N.Id.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry To: TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:23 AM Subject: [Tigers] Starter solenoid List, Here is a question for all those electrical/electronics engineer types out there. Being the curious person I am I decided to cut apart a Ford starter solenoid that was acting up, it was giving a little "chatter" as it engaged. Now these things are sealed at the factory and not intended to take apart for any service, but I'm always curious. The specific starter I'm talking about is the small geared starter that is on most all the ford engines since the early 90's, and fits very well on our Tigers. They are lighter, more powerful and draw less power. And if you have headers you can take them in and out without removing any thing else. Two ways to wire them up, either works just fine. Mine has been in for 8 years, I bought it at a junk yard for $30.00. The symptom that my friend had (347 Ford race car) is as I said in the beginning it sounded like a little chatter when engaging, as if the solenoid was "bouncing" before finally engaging. I removed the starter and tested it and it would run just fine except for the chatter so I concluded that the solenoid may be the problem, a new one solved the problem. Now to the question. I cut the solenoid apart, there are two windings in the solenoid, one with a dia. of .23 the other is .41. The larger wire is connected so when 12V is applied to the small tab on the outside of the solenoid (normal attachment point) the plunger inside reacts and closes the large contacts to send the high amperage to the motor, all simple stuff. It's the smaller wire I'm wondering about. It is attached in the same place as the larger wire (where the 12V start signal is applied to) on the out side, but it's where these two wires are grounded that I'm wondering. The bigger wire (.41) is grounded to the large external (13mm) nut that goes to the starter motor, the smaller wire (.23) is grounded to a metal plate inside the solenoid (by the way that was the problem, that attachment had broken). The question is; why two different windings and why the two different grounding points? (The smaller wire is a little longer). Jerry Christopherson PS Anyone else going to SEMA? Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Fri Oct 31 11:48:07 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:48:07 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Lift-the-Dot long studs for soft top cover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <490B52E7.3040906@SoCal.rr.com> Jim, Sorry to hear that. I bought a lot of stainless fasteners (including sheet metal screws and dimpled washers), the long "lift-a-dot" (DOT fasteners, both lift and pull the dot) machine screw fasteners, from my local Marine Supply store. They specialized in pleasure small boats, and these were used for tarp/cockpit cover fasteners. They have the round head type, as well. Dot Fasteners Direct listing of nickel, brass, and stainless fasteners in machine 8/32 machine screw and self tapping screws can be found at: http://www.dotfastenersdirect.com/catalog.html Click "_Lift The DOT: Screw Studs_" on the Catalog Index. They also have the round button type caps and sockets, but these are the MANUFACTURER and sell in large quantities (100 - 1000). I am sure they will tell you of your local stocking retailer for the product you want. BUT the 100 pack stainless 8/32 is $31.50 for a 100 pack. They ALL appear to have nickel studs, though. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Rollright at aol.com wrote: > Hello, > > Marine stores in my town, Marblehead, Mass (surrounded by ocean with lots > and lots of such places) do not have the long Lift-the-Dot" long studs with > machine screw bottom fixing. > > And there are no marine suppliers, including Lift-the -Dot US manufacturing > company currently supplying the marine people with same. > > Any other ideas? > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE From Rollright at aol.com Fri Oct 31 12:00:33 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:00:33 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Lift-the-Dot long studs for soft top cover Message-ID: ____________________________________ From: Rollright To: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sent: 10/31/2008 2:59:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: Re: [Tigers] Lift-the-Dot long studs for soft top cover Steve, I looked at their on-line catalog (long stud not listed) and sent them an e-mail. I received a response saying that the long stud with machine screw bottom was not produced currently ! They are just not made in US right now though they are available (and I assume made) in the UK as the machine screw is 2BA. I'm looking for a US source and other than an old stash, it looks like I'll have to buy a handful from the UK Jim Armstrong ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------- In a message dated 10/31/2008 2:48:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com writes: Jim, Sorry to hear that. I bought a lot of stainless fasteners (including sheet metal screws and dimpled washers), the long "lift-a-dot" (DOT fasteners, both lift and pull the dot) machine screw fasteners, from my local Marine Supply store. They specialized in pleasure small boats, and these were used for tarp/cockpit cover fasteners. They have the round head type, as well. Dot Fasteners Direct listing of nickel, brass, and stainless fasteners in machine 8/32 machine screw and self tapping screws can be found at: _http://www.dotfastenersdirect.com/catalog.html_ (http://www.dotfastenersdirect.com/catalog.html) Click "Lift The DOT: Screw Studs" on the Catalog Index. They also have the round button type caps and sockets, but these are the MANUFACTURER and sell in large quantities (100 - 1000). I am sure they will tell you of your local stocking retailer for the product you want. BUT the 100 pack stainless 8/32 is $31.50 for a 100 pack. They ALL appear to have nickel studs, though. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com __ (http://www.tigersunited.com/) _Rollright at aol.com_ (mailto:Rollright at aol.com) wrote: Hello, Marine stores in my town, Marblehead, Mass (surrounded by ocean with lots and lots of such places) do not have the long Lift-the-Dot" long studs with machine screw bottom fixing. And there are no marine suppliers, including Lift-the -Dot US manufacturing company currently supplying the marine people with same. Any other ideas? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE ____________________________________ Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. _Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals!_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Fri Oct 31 12:14:10 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:14:10 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Lift-the-Dot long studs for soft top cover Message-ID: Jim What you might try is a sleeve nut or a motorcycle spoke nut re tapped to the correct thread in the length you need. HTH In a message dated 10/31/2008 11:48:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com writes: Jim, Sorry to hear that. I bought a lot of stainless fasteners (including sheet metal screws and dimpled washers), the long "lift-a-dot" (DOT fasteners, both lift and pull the dot) machine screw fasteners, from my local Marine Supply store. They specialized in pleasure small boats, and these were used for tarp/cockpit cover fasteners. They have the round head type, as well. Dot Fasteners Direct listing of nickel, brass, and stainless fasteners in machine 8/32 machine screw and self tapping screws can be found at: http://www.dotfastenersdirect.com/catalog.html Click "_Lift The DOT: Screw Studs_" on the Catalog Index. They also have the round button type caps and sockets, but these are the MANUFACTURER and sell in large quantities (100 - 1000). I am sure they will tell you of your local stocking retailer for the product you want. BUT the 100 pack stainless 8/32 is $31.50 for a 100 pack. They ALL appear to have nickel studs, though. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Rollright at aol.com wrote: > Hello, > > Marine stores in my town, Marblehead, Mass (surrounded by ocean with lots > and lots of such places) do not have the long Lift-the-Dot" long studs with > machine screw bottom fixing. > > And there are no marine suppliers, including Lift-the -Dot US manufacturing > company currently supplying the marine people with same. > > Any other ideas? > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) From sralsten at ca.rr.com Fri Oct 31 12:17:57 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:17:57 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Final word on Miatas Message-ID: <7833098.1072971225480677194.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web07-z02> Well, since I've had my latest mid life crisis a couple months ago before buying the Tiger at 58 years old I'm hoping I'll now live to be 116. If I manage another midlife crisis at 115 can I live to 230 ? I was not real impressed by the Miata. I test drove a Honda S2000 a Lotus Elise, and a Mazdaspeed Miata within a couple hours of each other and bought the Honda. Now I've bought the Tiger and have the S2000 up for sale. Steve R ---- drmayf wrote: > Dang, if that's the accepted definition of mid-life crisis, then I been > in one since 1967, lol.... How long is it supposed to last? > > mayf > David Sosna wrote: > > > I thought midlife crisis involved buying a car from one's youth--like, > > say, a Sunbeam Tiger?? :-) > > > > Best Regards > > David Sosna > > P.S. Tigerless, but driving a Miata these days. > > P.P.S. My wife always used to refer to the Tiger as "cute". AAAArgh! > > No!!! It's got a gut-thumping macho 302! It's Butch! > > Really! > > > > > > Lon wrote: > > > >> Besides the issue of many of the spec racers driving way over their > >> respective > >> heads running with Vintage groups (Had one run me off the track in > >> HSR-West), > >> my daughter had the best line for these little beasts when one went > >> by last > >> week with a balding driver: "Gawd Dad, they just scream midlife crisis" > >> > >> L From sralsten at ca.rr.com Fri Oct 31 12:22:41 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:22:41 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Lift-the-Dot long studs for soft top cover Message-ID: <7595855.1073621225480961188.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web07-z02> I would try West Marine in person or by phone, and maybe call Fastenal (Google for website)l as well. Maybe even an RV store also. When I owned a sailboat I found lots of Marine equipment cheaper at RV places. Steve ---- Steve Laifman wrote: > Jim, > > Sorry to hear that. I bought a lot of stainless fasteners (including > sheet metal screws and dimpled washers), the long "lift-a-dot" (DOT > fasteners, both lift and pull the dot) machine screw fasteners, from my > local Marine Supply store. They specialized in pleasure small boats, > and these were used for tarp/cockpit cover fasteners. They have the > round head type, as well. > > Dot Fasteners Direct listing of nickel, brass, and stainless fasteners > in machine 8/32 machine screw and self tapping screws can be found at: > > http://www.dotfastenersdirect.com/catalog.html > Click "_Lift The DOT: Screw Studs_" on the Catalog Index. > > They also have the round button type caps and sockets, but these are the > MANUFACTURER and sell in large quantities (100 - 1000). I am sure they > will tell you of your local stocking retailer for the product you want. > BUT the 100 pack stainless 8/32 is $31.50 for a 100 pack. They ALL > appear to have nickel studs, though. > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > > Rollright at aol.com wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Marine stores in my town, Marblehead, Mass (surrounded by ocean with lots > > and lots of such places) do not have the long Lift-the-Dot" long studs with > > machine screw bottom fixing. > > > > And there are no marine suppliers, including Lift-the -Dot US manufacturing > > company currently supplying the marine people with same. > > > > Any other ideas? > > > > Jim Armstrong > > Mk 1A 382002083 > > LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive