From crbernardino at mac.com Sat Nov 1 16:36:26 2008 From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 19:36:26 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Final word on Miatas Message-ID: <1AA19027-DA72-47C5-A1A8-FF394D1C03DB@mac.com> Although the miata has a great suspension and is a great starting point for the v8 conversion, I agree the styling is a bit girlie. However, if you want something different, check out the Italia bodykit for the miata: http://www.gomiata.com/sdmiatitbodc.html Also this conversion I being covered on the TV show Gearz with Stacey David. It is actually a great show. http://www.gearztv.com Enjoy. Rob in CT From crbernardino at mac.com Sat Nov 1 16:43:40 2008 From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 19:43:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Rear Window/Quarter Windows in Glass Message-ID: I seem to have deleted the contact on the member looking into glass for the hardtop. Please email me of line when they are available - I would like a set. However, could the rear glass have defroster coils in the glass - then it would be perfect for winter driving. Rob in CT 1966 Mk1A Tiger B382000262 LRXFE JAL660245 Color Code 39: Carnival Red From shutchin at netjets.com Sat Nov 1 16:48:03 2008 From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 19:48:03 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Rear Window/Quarter Windows in Glass Message-ID: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D4030D5148@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com> Gotta get the heated seat kit to go with that. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 ** ******* This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. From shutchin at netjets.com Sat Nov 1 16:49:17 2008 From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 19:49:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Rear Window/Quarter Windows in Glass Message-ID: <8137B53CC678E1428DCF860CE08E33D4030D5149@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com> I think it's LAT 98.6. Scott Hutchinson Director of Operations Netjets Large Aircraft Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 ** ******* This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. From atwittsend at verizon.net Sat Nov 1 20:03:36 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:03:36 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Volvo fan (available) Message-ID: <5B6E6B012B7F441599BEC5AEFCFA9F37@student2> FYI Just in case anyone has interest, I found "the" Volvo fan at the Beach Blvd., Pick A Part in Anaheim today. It is on a 145 wagon (maroon I recall). They are listed at $10.99 plus $1.00 core, plus tax, plus environmental surcharge. Basically it sound like $15 out the door. I have found maybe six over the past 8 years and scores of trips to the yards. I passed on this one as I have three already. Anyway, I thought I would throw it out there in case anyone has interest. Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1761 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 7:56 PM From fabbro at shaw.ca Sat Nov 1 21:09:10 2008 From: fabbro at shaw.ca (Kim Fabbro) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:09:10 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Thanks for the help Message-ID: <000501c93ca0$c2143d30$6401a8c0@fabbro> Wow thanks for the response guy. I have the Rad hoses and now I know how to approach my seat belt issue. Thanks Kim From sralsten at ca.rr.com Sun Nov 2 10:16:05 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:16:05 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Lost cel phone at CAT yesterday Message-ID: <1178490.329061225646165767.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web10-z01> Lost my Motorola Razor (grey) phone yesterday. At some point it fell off my belt clip. I went to a restauant after but they said nothing turned in. I left a message on Bud's answer machine in case he has it. If you were there and know anything about a lost cel phone please let me know. Thanks Steve R From todbrown at roadrunner.com Sun Nov 2 13:49:16 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:49:16 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Rear Window/Quarter Windows in Glass Message-ID: <490E124C.4020500@roadrunner.com> " I think it's LAT 98.6. " Also, oddly enough, 98.6 is the CONTROL agent number for Steve Carell's assistant - the one in the hot pants. Tod B382002384LRXFE From rjw at wengco.com Mon Nov 3 05:07:52 2008 From: rjw at wengco.com (Robert J. Wanty) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:07:52 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Brake pressure switch Message-ID: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C59C24A6@weco1.wengco.com> My brake system is in its original configuration ( I know I have a death wish) and the pressure switch has expired. Before I try to unscrew it and either strip or break it are there replacements available or should I cobble a peddle switch? Bob B382001318 From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Nov 3 06:36:14 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:36:14 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Brake pressure switch In-Reply-To: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C59C24A6@weco1.wengco.com> Message-ID: <9A5515AEB2364D2A92EF042E9942EEEA@ronpc1> Bob Yes, there are replacements available; check with Sunbeam Specialties and Classic Sunbeam. The thread on this switch is 3/8 x 24 not the more common pipe thread style so finding one at the local auto parts store could be difficult except maybe a foreign auto parts store. If you are using silicone brake fluid you may experience a higher rate of failure of these switches. I installed an electrical switch at the brake pedal for safety reasons, the brake lights come on quicker, and it became mandatory when I installed a cruise control system. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert J. Wanty Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:08 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Brake pressure switch My brake system is in its original configuration ( I know I have a death wish) and the pressure switch has expired. Before I try to unscrew it and either strip or break it are there replacements available or should I cobble a peddle switch? Bob B382001318 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1762 - Release Date: 11/2/2008 9:51 AM From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Mon Nov 3 12:05:01 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:05:01 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Interesting British V-8 web site In-Reply-To: <005401c93db6$fbed1290$37260944@13930193605348f> References: <005401c93db6$fbed1290$37260944@13930193605348f> Message-ID: <490F4B5D.1040206@SoCal.rr.com> Tigers, Thanks to Alvin Johnson, I am forwarding his link to "BritishV8", an on-line journal. It has lot's of cars, high quality pics, and a section for Sunbeam Tigers (modified). Very entertaining, and has pictures of the cars of some of our list members. http://www.britishv8.org/Photos-Sunbeam-Conversions.htm Bob Hokanson (is that his son in the last pic?) is covered well with his mods. The main site is: http://www.britishv8.org/ Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Alvin Johnson wrote: > > > You will surely enjoy this one: > > http://www.britishv8.org/Other/NormanRest.htm > > PS---Sue--please forward this to Crist as I don't have his e-mail address. From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Mon Nov 3 12:12:21 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:12:21 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] DOT Fasteners Message-ID: <490F4D15.9030807@SoCal.rr.com> Tigers, I made an inquiry to DOT Fasteners regarding stainless screw threads. This is their reply: /"Steve, The Lift-the-DOT screw studs are not manufactured in all stainless. The stud head is brass nickel plated and the screw is stainless. Please let me know if I can assist you further. Thanks, Tonia Hanley DOT Fasteners PH 706-754-1000 ext. 468 FAX 706-754-0548 thanley at scovill.com " / Steve/ / -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com From hallmotors at cox.net Mon Nov 3 13:16:04 2008 From: hallmotors at cox.net (Hall Motors) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:16:04 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] DOT Fasteners In-Reply-To: <490F4D15.9030807@SoCal.rr.com> References: <490F4D15.9030807@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <003501c93df0$ff815080$fe83f180$@net> Don't know if this helps with this thread or not? I needed a couple of these for a '34 Ford and could find the proper head from several supplies, but all with a 10-32 tread while I needed an 8-32. I bought some 10-32s, ground down the treads and use an 8-32 die to apply new treads. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Laifman Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:12 PM To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] DOT Fasteners Tigers, I made an inquiry to DOT Fasteners regarding stainless screw threads. This is their reply: /"Steve, The Lift-the-DOT screw studs are not manufactured in all stainless. The stud head is brass nickel plated and the screw is stainless. Please let me know if I can assist you further. Thanks, Tonia Hanley DOT Fasteners PH 706-754-1000 ext. 468 FAX 706-754-0548 thanley at scovill.com " / Steve/ / -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Mon Nov 3 17:06:08 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:06:08 EST Subject: [Tigers] Rear Window/Quarter Windows in Top Message-ID: There here. Clear 1/4 glasses for factory hardtop. Limited quantities on hand can always make more. $100.00 per pair + shipping Cal residents .0825% tax. Also available door glasses and door stationary vents. Door glasses $60.00 each, Vent $20.00 each + ship and tax if applicable. A. LEE FESTICH ALAN AUTO GLASS 599 S. BONNYWOOD PL. BURBANK, CA. 91502 818-845-7300 PHN 818-845-7355 FAX 818-464-5909 CEL AAAGLASSS at AOL.COM _http://alanautoglass.com_ (http://alanautoglass.com/) I seem to have deleted the contact on the member looking into glass for the hardtop. Please email me of line when they are available - I would like a set. However, could the rear glass have defroster coils in the glass - then it would be perfect for winter driving. Rob in CT 1966 Mk1A Tiger B382000262 LRXFE JAL660245 Color Code 39: Carnival Red Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) From jheff123 at msn.com Mon Nov 3 17:45:27 2008 From: jheff123 at msn.com (John Heffron) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:45:27 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Paint color Message-ID: Listers: Can anybody tell me if yellow was one of the original Tiger paint colors? I have the list of all Rootes colors but can't find the site that details what was used on the Tigers. Looking at alternatives for my restoration. Thanks John 66 Mk1A TAC #707 From sralsten at ca.rr.com Mon Nov 3 18:10:14 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:10:14 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Paint color Message-ID: <21794749.527841225761014301.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web23-z01> Here's a page that may help.... http://www.sunbeam.org.au/paint/index.html ---- John Heffron wrote: > Listers: > > Can anybody tell me if yellow was one of the original Tiger paint colors? I > have the list of all Rootes colors but can't find the site that details what > was used on the Tigers. Looking at alternatives for my restoration. > > Thanks > John > 66 Mk1A > TAC #707 From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com Mon Nov 3 18:28:31 2008 From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:28:31 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Wiring Harness Message-ID: <490fa542.17042c0a.2d5d.2cf7@mx.google.com> I'm interested in hearing opinions about warning harnesses. I know that there are original style harnesses available but I want to know about other options. I've looked at the kits from Painless Wiring and it looks like I would have to do a lot of customizing. Does anybody make a modern harness that is ready to drop into a Tiger? Thanks, Joe Brown B382000217 From sganz at pacbell.net Mon Nov 3 18:36:47 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:36:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Wiring Harness Message-ID: <248259.79901.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I would stick with the stock tiger from Sunbeam Specialties _but_ I would change the fuse box section to have more then 2 fuses, other then that nothing wrong with the stock replacement version and the modification is pretty simple from the way all the wires just bundle on each of the 2 fuses. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Joe Brown To: Tiger List Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 5:28:31 PM Subject: [Tigers] Wiring Harness I'm interested in hearing opinions about warning harnesses. I know that there are original style harnesses available but I want to know about other options. I've looked at the kits from Painless Wiring and it looks like I would have to do a lot of customizing. Does anybody make a modern harness that is ready to drop into a Tiger? Thanks, Joe Brown B382000217 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Nov 3 18:41:02 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:41:02 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Paint color In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Jeff Officially Yellow was not a Tiger color but there are 4 shades of green. Rootes Group did have a couple yellow shades in there line up through the years. Ditzler # Chrysler # Berger Code ICI # 54 April Yellow 80985 75242834 404.0625 2939 155 Sunfire Yellow 81574 75243257 404.5861 8256 152 Sundance 82017 75242917 404.5347 8663 It's your car, paint it the color of your choice. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Heffron Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:45 PM To: Tigers Subject: [Tigers] Paint color Listers: Can anybody tell me if yellow was one of the original Tiger paint colors? I have the list of all Rootes colors but can't find the site that details what was used on the Tigers. Looking at alternatives for my restoration. Thanks John 66 Mk1A TAC #707 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 4:59 PM From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com Mon Nov 3 18:45:27 2008 From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:45:27 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Wiring Harness In-Reply-To: <248259.79901.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <490fa939.2c1d2c0a.4e50.75ad@mx.google.com> So, just cut out the stock fuse block and wire in something with a lot more fuses? Any recommendations? Something from Painless? Some other brand? Thanks, Joe Brown B382000217 -----Original Message----- From: Sandy Ganz [mailto:sganz at pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:37 PM To: Joe Brown; Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wiring Harness I would stick with the stock tiger from Sunbeam Specialties _but_ I would change the fuse box section to have more then 2 fuses, other then that nothing wrong with the stock replacement version and the modification is pretty simple from the way all the wires just bundle on each of the 2 fuses. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Joe Brown To: Tiger List Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 5:28:31 PM Subject: [Tigers] Wiring Harness I'm interested in hearing opinions about warning harnesses. I know that there are original style harnesses available but I want to know about other options. I've looked at the kits from Painless Wiring and it looks like I would have to do a lot of customizing. Does anybody make a modern harness that is ready to drop into a Tiger? Thanks, Joe Brown B382000217 Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From atwittsend at verizon.net Mon Nov 3 19:53:37 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:53:37 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Interesting British V-8 web site References: <005401c93db6$fbed1290$37260944@13930193605348f> <490F4B5D.1040206@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <3E6D458120324D5CBDEEEE4A8FA8F660@student2> Interesting, the David Petrikas car has re-enforced wheel well plates. Though unlike the Tiger they are spread out over a larger area than the Alpine. Also, the wheel well vents are an interesting piece. I wonder if they help with cooling any??? Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 4:59 PM From sganz at pacbell.net Mon Nov 3 20:01:23 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:01:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Wiring Harness Message-ID: <277204.43582.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I would figure out how many fuses you need and get a small fuse block. first start with the wire diagram and that should allow you to do better then 2 big fuses. Waytek Wire has a nice selection, as well as others, but a simple fuse block might be about all you really need. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Joe Brown To: Sandy Ganz ; Tiger List Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 5:45:27 PM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Wiring Harness So, just cut out the stock fuse block and wire in something with a lot more fuses? Any recommendations? Something from Painless? Some other brand? Thanks, Joe Brown B382000217 -----Original Message----- From: Sandy Ganz [mailto:sganz at pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:37 PM To: Joe Brown; Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] Wiring Harness I would stick with the stock tiger from Sunbeam Specialties _but_ I would change the fuse box section to have more then 2 fuses, other then that nothing wrong with the stock replacement version and the modification is pretty simple from the way all the wires just bundle on each of the 2 fuses. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Joe Brown To: Tiger List Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 5:28:31 PM Subject: [Tigers] Wiring Harness I'm interested in hearing opinions about warning harnesses. I know that there are original style harnesses available but I want to know about other options. I've looked at the kits from Painless Wiring and it looks like I would have to do a lot of customizing. Does anybody make a modern harness that is ready to drop into a Tiger? Thanks, Joe Brown B382000217 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Mon Nov 3 20:20:43 2008 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:20:43 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Wiring Harness In-Reply-To: <490fa542.17042c0a.2d5d.2cf7@mx.google.com> References: <490fa542.17042c0a.2d5d.2cf7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Joe, Depends on what you want to do with your car...and how important stock is to you. A stock harness would be plug and play (or plug and drive). I went with the EZ Wiring harness. Not overly hard but the instructions suck...so you need to do your homework... so call it the Not-So-EZ harness. And it's taken me a while because I wanted to hide much of the wiring in the engine bay (see the picture... http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/insurance/8.jpg). I had never wired more than a car stereo but I hope to fire my car up for the first time in 4 years in the next couple of days! Like with most things, I could do this in half the time the second time around. And this winter, I plan on some type of write-up on my website for my wiring project. Email me directly if you have some specific questions. Paul ---------------------------------------- > From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com > To: Tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:28:31 -0600 > Subject: [Tigers] Wiring Harness > > I'm interested in hearing opinions about warning harnesses. I know that > there are original style harnesses available but I want to know about other > options. I've looked at the kits from Painless Wiring and it looks like I > would have to do a lot of customizing. Does anybody make a modern harness > that is ready to drop into a Tiger? > > > > Thanks, > > Joe Brown > _________________________________________________________________ Store, manage and share up to 5GB with Windows Live SkyDrive. From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Mon Nov 3 21:13:43 2008 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:13:43 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Radiator face-lift Message-ID: <48D2BDE88FBE4BC3927D080B1C6B918F@JEPHome> I want to spruce up the appearance of my stock radiator without reducing its effectiveness. Any suggestions? I suspect spraying a coat of black paint on it isn't the answer. Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From tgrrr at peoplepc.com Mon Nov 3 22:14:06 2008 From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:14:06 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Interesting British V-8 web site References: <005401c93db6$fbed1290$37260944@13930193605348f> <490F4B5D.1040206@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <55C3181D3250430494F1EC526A218C1B@bob> Yes, that pic is of Mike on the day I got the car... but that was 35 years ago and they both look a bit different now. Bob Bob Hokanson (is that his son in the last pic?) is covered well with his mods. The main site is: http://www.britishv8.org/ Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Alvin Johnson wrote: You will surely enjoy this one: http://www.britishv8.org/Other/NormanRest.htm PS---Sue--please forward this to Crist as I don't have his e-mail address. From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 4 00:12:37 2008 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:12:37 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Paint color In-Reply-To: <21794749.527841225761014301.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web23-z01> Message-ID: Hi John, All of the colors listed were available on various Rootes cars Singer, Humber, Hillman, etc. However, YELLOW was not an available color on the Tiger. If you want to make your car different go with what pleases you. My Tiger is on the rotisserie for a complete restoration. I will paint it the original color which is Commodore Blue but I will personalize it to please me. I intent to use a Series II Rootes emblem on the Lat hood and insert a Series II grill. This is to commemorate the first car I ever owned a 1962 Series II Alpine in 1963. I will have Mark II headlight rims and the letters on the trunk will spell BRABHAM. I read a story someplace that told the tale of Brabham, Phil Hill, and Chris Amon all owned Tigers and raced each other from FI track to F1 track around Europe. The story goes Brabham used letters from a HUMBER to spell his name on the trunk lid. I don't know if the story is true but it makes for interesting discussion at car shows. The top will be Tan and the wheel centers will be Gold. The seats, center console, and rear cushions will be black with white piping to match the stock white visors. With all of this personalization it will be easy for the future care taker to revert the car to bone stock if he wishes as I will have all the part available for him to do so. So, just have fun and enjoy your ownership. The colors available on the Tigers were Color Codes (CC) 1, 19, 39, 53, 58, 61, 67, 68, 76, 86, 92, 100, 102, 106 (my favorite!), 107, 108, 109, 122, 127, 130. These are listed on the link below. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse To: John Heffron Cc: Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Paint color Here's a page that may help.... http://www.sunbeam.org.au/paint/index.html ---- John Heffron wrote: > Listers: > > Can anybody tell me if yellow was one of the original Tiger paint colors? I > have the list of all Rootes colors but can't find the site that details what > was used on the Tigers. Looking at alternatives for my restoration. > > Thanks > John > 66 Mk1A > TAC #707 From awtiger at cox.net Tue Nov 4 05:03:34 2008 From: awtiger at cox.net (Andy Walker) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:03:34 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Radiator face-lift In-Reply-To: <48D2BDE88FBE4BC3927D080B1C6B918F@JEPHome> References: <48D2BDE88FBE4BC3927D080B1C6B918F@JEPHome> Message-ID: James: I did the same thing to my radiator when it sprung a leak on the overflow tube. I took it down to the radiator shop in town and had the leak fixed, lealving explicit instructions that I did NOT want the radiator painted. Once I got it home, the core was begining to tarnish and look a little green. I went down to the hardware store and bought some "Tarn-X" and brushed it onto both sides of the core, making it sure it got down inside the fins. Sure enough, it cleaned it up really well, taking the green corrosion off and leaving the fins and tubes looking good. I then masked off the core and painted the tanks black as per "The Book of Norman." The radiator looks great and is as efficient as possible. Best of luck, Andy Walker B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX From jim at island.net Tue Nov 4 07:32:13 2008 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:32:13 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Hillman/Rootes parts clearance.. Message-ID: <04cd01c93e8a$219c2520$4101a8c0@JIMPC> If anyone is in the Chino California area, I've been talking to a guy there that has a BUNCH of Hillman/Minx/Sunbeam parts and the price for the lot has been dropping daily.if not gone in the next couple of days it's going to the scrapyard for $400..No Tiger specific parts but have a look at the picture link below and you might find something you can use.. If the link isn't completely highlighted, just copy and paste the whole thing.. I'm way too far away for this one but if you want to have a look, call Joe @ 951-440-6210 Jim http://webf.mypicturetown.com/P2PwebCmdController/share.jsp?x=5kukoMPHgiIgE4 7hwvjEF6.UO%3DjL7%3DV_5rQr%3D.Yj%3DzyeF3zS-fvt0Ai%25p%3DkgVS.bpwNhOyUxfJ%3DV Sc-lBLfwY2HB%265dCq%2Aef%25UwposiGgk6C-OR From fastsage at cox.net Tue Nov 4 08:58:25 2008 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:58:25 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Wiring Harness In-Reply-To: References: <490fa542.17042c0a.2d5d.2cf7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <49107121.10309@cox.net> Paul: So where is all the wiring? That's a great job! Steve Sage Paul R. Breuhan wrote: > > And it's taken me a while because I wanted to hide much of the wiring in the > engine bay (see the picture... > http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/insurance/8.jpg). > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11050 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 4 15:24:10 2008 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:24:10 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Brabham's Sunbeam Hype Message-ID: <003c01c93ecc$0f9a9810$6401a8c0@your03667082de> "I will have Mark II headlight rims and the letters on the trunk will spell BRABHAM. I read a story someplace that told the tale of Brabham, Phil Hill, and Chris Amon all owned Tigers and raced each other from FI track to F1 track around Europe. The story goes Brabham used letters from a HUMBER to spell his name on the trunk lid. I don't know if the story is true but it makes for interesting discussion at car shows." There is a article in Autocar 12/09/66 where Chris Amon talks about his owner experience with a Sunbeam Tiger. You can find it in the Brooklands book. I never heard the story about Phil Hill and Jack Brabham owning Tigers. I have a interesting, large format, 12 page brochure called the "Sunbeam Story" and Jack Brabham has a page to himself. On the page there is a photo of him in a Sunbeam Rapier and he extolls the virtues of the "Rally-bred Sunbeam". Jack is quoted through out the brochure so he must have been under contract at least in the early 1960's to Rootes. It may have been published in early 1961 because it mentions various races that Sunbeams won from 1952 to 1961 but the Le Mans Index of Performance is left out. Jeff From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 15:28:26 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:28:26 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Brabham's Sunbeam Hype In-Reply-To: <003c01c93ecc$0f9a9810$6401a8c0@your03667082de> References: <003c01c93ecc$0f9a9810$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: Brabham offered tunning kits for rootes cars (rapier and alpine) that involved 4 stages and worked their way up to full dual DCOE kits. There is the stpries of him suggesting the SBF to rootes and also many ads featuring him ith both the alpines and later the tiger (jim standing in the ope door of a tiger and next to his f1 car) 2008/11/5 Jeffrey Nichols > "I will have Mark II headlight rims and the > letters on the trunk will spell BRABHAM. I read a story someplace that > told > the tale of Brabham, Phil Hill, and Chris Amon all owned Tigers and raced > each other from FI track to F1 track around Europe. The story goes Brabham > used letters from a HUMBER to spell his name on the trunk lid. I don't > know > if the story is true but it makes for interesting discussion at car shows." > > > There is a article in Autocar 12/09/66 where Chris Amon talks about his > owner > experience with a Sunbeam Tiger. You can find it in the Brooklands book. I > never heard the story about Phil Hill and Jack Brabham owning Tigers. I > have > a interesting, large format, 12 page brochure called the "Sunbeam Story" > and > Jack Brabham has a page to himself. On the page there is a photo of him in > a > Sunbeam Rapier and he extolls the virtues of the "Rally-bred Sunbeam". > Jack > is quoted through out the brochure so he must have been under contract at > least in the early 1960's to Rootes. It may have been published in early > 1961 because it mentions various races that Sunbeams won from 1952 to 1961 > but > the Le Mans Index of Performance is left out. > > > > > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > -- Regards Michael King From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Wed Nov 5 19:52:52 2008 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:52:52 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Generator disassembly Message-ID: I'm trying to disassemble the generator (yes, I still use the original) to paint the shell, but I can't get the pulley off without using what I consider excessive force. Any suggestions? A gear puller didn't do the trick. Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From DJoh797014 at aol.com Wed Nov 5 21:02:53 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:02:53 EST Subject: [Tigers] Generator disassembly Message-ID: Took mine to a local engine shop/parts store for new bearings. The old geezersaid, ' you need this bearing for the front and this one for the rear'. Didn'tother to look it up. Then asked, how you gonna get the front pulley off. Give it to me. I went into the back and watched while he use used an arbor press and pressed out the old bearing and pressed in the new one. Right tool for the job. Cost. The price of the bearings. My advice is find an old non-computerized shop. Dave In a message dated 11/5/2008 9:36:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, geowiz.sgy at cox.net writes: I'm trying to disassemble the generator (yes, I still use the original) to paint the shell, but I can't get the pulley off without using what I consider excessive force. Any suggestions? A gear puller didn't do the trick. Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. 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Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From v8tracker at gmail.com Wed Nov 5 22:16:33 2008 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:16:33 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Correct intake and carb In-Reply-To: <20081030.171739.26641.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081030.171739.26641.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Tim. I don't know if you got any answers that didn't make it to the list in general, so I'll do what I can at the risk of telling you something that you already know. First, the "O" code for Fairlane is not unusual. The Ford small block 221 was originally designed for the Fairlane, which also used the 260 and 289 in turn. Many parts used on those engines had Fairlane designations. I don't have anything to decode the carb tag, but you might try http://www.carbdford.com. As the name implies, they seem to be able to answer any questions about Ford carbs including decoding tags. HTH, A.C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of un-cole-a at juno.com > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 4:18 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Correct intake and carb > > To All > Took a look at my carb and intake today in preparation to > pull the carb and have it rebuilt. > The intake is correct according to the BON. > > Intake: > Stamped Ford and the color is Blue > C4OE 9425 > Firing Order 15426378 > C 1960 > 4 1964 > O Fairlane > E Engine > I thought the O Fairlane decode was a little weird, is this right??? > > My problem is I'm having a hard time decoding the carb. The > carb has Motorcraft stamped on it and the tag numbers look like this: > 4P > EC > A8F 13 > > Any help with a decode would be greatly appreciated. Will try > to post a pix if I can figure out my daughters camera. > Thanks in advance. > > Tim > B9470149 > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Help is here! Click now for simple and easy Financial Advice. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m2fnPO0Xgwl > AVGrgWqLkgugRLR > Vb3VhQDklxK0GnbidBzBA/?count=1234567890 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From garywinblad at comcast.net Thu Nov 6 07:50:01 2008 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:50:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Generator disassembly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <779452100.20961225983001324.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Smart move to keep the original, I am still running mine too! Don't destroy the pully, it is not the same as most that you will get with a rebuilt. I was able to get mine apart to change the brushes and grease the bearings and re-paint it without taking the pully off. And that was in 1991 and was the only service mine has ever had in 125K miles (at least). Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: James E. Pickard To: Tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 02:52:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Generator disassembly I'm trying to disassemble the generator (yes, I still use the original) to paint the shell, but I can't get the pulley off without using what I consider excessive force. Any suggestions? A gear puller didn't do the trick. Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) From rtscolgan at yahoo.com Thu Nov 6 12:34:25 2008 From: rtscolgan at yahoo.com (Russ and Tammy C.) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:34:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] engine spacers Message-ID: <485855.44880.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> How many washers to raise the engine 1/2 inch at the steering cross member? I would like to place them before it is inside the engine compartment. Thank you. Russ From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Nov 6 12:41:22 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:41:22 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] engine spacers References: <485855.44880.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F419@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Probably about 3/8 of an inch worth. However, you're removing that much air cleaner to hood clearance and that's a place where you don't need to lose any. To do the math properly: Measure (in a fore/aft direction) from the transmission crossmember mount to the center of the engine block mounts to get distance A. Measuring from the transmission crossmember mount to the crank pulley gives you distance B. The amount you raise the crank pulley will be equal to the amount of spacing you put into the engine block mounts, multiplied by B/A. I'm guessing B/A is somewhere between 1.3 and 1.5 . Cheers, Theo From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Nov 6 14:19:51 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:19:51 EST Subject: [Tigers] engine spacers Message-ID: And it makes a difference on what fan someone is using. A replacement might need more or less clearance. M **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Thu Nov 6 14:26:26 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:26:26 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] engine spacers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49136102.8050609@SoCal.rr.com> Not to worry, Mark , The steering rack will quickly resize the fan blades to prevent any more "rubbing". Accounts for engine movement as well, especially accelerating. ;-) Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > And it makes a difference on what fan someone is using. A replacement might > need more or less clearance. > M From bomber44 at comcast.net Thu Nov 6 14:43:43 2008 From: bomber44 at comcast.net (Rob Guerra) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:43:43 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] engine spacers In-Reply-To: <485855.44880.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Shouldn't the question be asked " why would you want to put spacers under the engine mounts?". It seems that this would create a whole list of other problems. What are you trying to correct? If it is the fan rubbing on the steering rack, it's easier to trim the fan blades. On 11/6/08 11:34 AM, "Russ and Tammy C." wrote: > How many washers to raise the engine 1/2 inch at the steering cross member? > I would like to place them before it is inside the engine compartment. Thank > you. Russ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Nov 6 15:57:14 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:57:14 EST Subject: [Tigers] engine spacers Message-ID: I'm pretty sure that in stock form it came with the spacers. Remember, these are not any thick spacers. They are just washers that are about twice as thick as a standard washer. I would check the exact thickness but I am 1,800 miles away at the present. Mark **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) From RSSmithIQ at cs.com Thu Nov 6 16:25:35 2008 From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:25:35 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] engine spacers In-Reply-To: <485855.44880.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <485855.44880.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49137CEF.2020805@cs.com> Russ- I just installed a 15" Derale flex fan in my Tiger as recommended in Tiger Tom's cooling article. It does require raising the front of the engine, but you have to be very careful not to go any higher than absolutely necessary as the air cleaner will definitely rub the hood. I needed about 1/4'-1/2" additional clearance at the rack and all it took was one washer. As I recall, there are 4 bolts, so actually it takes 4 washers. One on each bolt. I did install new motor mounts at the same time just in case the old ones were drooping a bit. One thing I found out the hard way, is that you need to re-shape the fan shroud. If you are using the stock shroud, the two bottom corners need to be bent outward to accommodate the larger fan diameter or your have some impressive noise when you crank it up the first time! If you hear rubbing under acceleration, from the engine torque movement, it is more likely the fan shroud than the rack, so bend it out a bit more. By the way, the fan works great. Well worth the effort. -Randy Russ and Tammy C. wrote: > How many washers to raise the engine 1/2 inch at the steering cross member? > I would like to place them before it is inside the engine compartment. Thank > you. Russ > _ > Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ at cs.com Tiger- B382000189 From sralsten at ca.rr.com Thu Nov 6 17:26:44 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:26:44 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Anyone using the Parrish Plastics hardtop ? Message-ID: <23191578.22601226017604411.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web13-z02> This was an aftermarket hardtop made for the Tiger/Alpine. It is fibreglass rather than steel and much lighter than factory. It is also has an Alpine style wraparound rear window. Steve R From sralsten at ca.rr.com Thu Nov 6 17:26:55 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:26:55 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Anyone using the Parrish Plastics hardtop ? Message-ID: <7169693.22621226017615476.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web13-z02> This was an aftermarket hardtop made for the Tiger/Alpine. It is fibreglass rather than steel and much lighter than factory. It is also has an Alpine style wraparound rear window. Steve R From stubrennan at comcast.net Thu Nov 6 17:35:10 2008 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:35:10 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Generator disassembly In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c94070$b3cde5e0$6601a8c0@Brennan> A friend removed my pulley using a torch and a press. What I didn't realize was that he also reshaped it a bit, which caused the belt to vibrate like crazy at certain speeds, such as highway speed. This wore a hole in my lower hose just outside Burlington VT, many hour from home, but, thankfully, minutes from the site of the TE/AE United that year. A local auto electrical shop (old school style) had a replacement hanging on the wall. Been there for years, not sure where he got it, etc. So be careful removing that pulley. It can lead to all sorts of fun. Stu From sralsten at ca.rr.com Thu Nov 6 17:51:17 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:51:17 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Anyone using the Parrish Plastics hardtop ? Message-ID: <13287304.26131226019077611.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web13-z02> This was an aftermarket hardtop made for the Tiger/Alpine. It is fibreglass rather than steel and much lighter than factory. It is also has an Alpine style wraparound rear window. Steve R From bobdixon at frii.com Thu Nov 6 21:34:23 2008 From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:34:23 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Headlight rim References: <23191578.22601226017604411.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web13-z02> Message-ID: <000601c94092$1c08a020$4100a8c0@BobsDell> This may be a stupid question, but here goes. Is there a right and left headlight rim for a MarkI/Ia or are they both the same? I just got back from the painter and he was asking since the ones I have are identical and they line up better on the passenger side than they do on the driver side. There is also a significant gap at the bottom of the rim when you line up the top and sides with the fender opening. Maybe it all kind of evens out once everything is mounted. Thanks, Bob From rfraser at bluefrog.com Fri Nov 7 05:48:49 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 07:48:49 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Headlight rim In-Reply-To: <000601c94092$1c08a020$4100a8c0@BobsDell> Message-ID: <5930EC975D6B47CFA6BEAABC027B3BE8@ronpc1> Bob There is never a stupid question when you have doubts about something, especially when related to Sunbeams. According to my Alpine parts manual, SI - SIV, only 1 part number is listed for the headlight rim. I would assume that this is still true for the Tiger, the Tiger Parts list I have doesn't include those parts. I would think that if there were 2 parts that they would be clearly marked L or R. Headlight rims are in the Electrical section of the parts manual for anyone else to check and reply. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Dixon Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 11:34 PM To: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Headlight rim This may be a stupid question, but here goes. Is there a right and left headlight rim for a MarkI/Ia or are they both the same? I just got back from the painter and he was asking since the ones I have are identical and they line up better on the passenger side than they do on the driver side. There is also a significant gap at the bottom of the rim when you line up the top and sides with the fender opening. Maybe it all kind of evens out once everything is mounted. Thanks, Bob No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1772 - Release Date: 11/6/2008 8:23 PM From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Fri Nov 7 12:21:49 2008 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:21:49 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Headlight rim In-Reply-To: <000601c94092$1c08a020$4100a8c0@BobsDell> References: <23191578.22601226017604411.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web13-z02> <000601c94092$1c08a020$4100a8c0@BobsDell> Message-ID: <31DFA16CFBA44B4FA08C5CFD3B3897A2@jerry> There IS a right and left headlight rim, that's why one of them doesn't fit. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Dixon Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:34 PM To: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Headlight rim This may be a stupid question, but here goes. Is there a right and left headlight rim for a MarkI/Ia or are they both the same? I just got back from the painter and he was asking since the ones I have are identical and they line up better on the passenger side than they do on the driver side. There is also a significant gap at the bottom of the rim when you line up the top and sides with the fender opening. Maybe it all kind of evens out once everything is mounted. Thanks, Bob Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 7 12:37:45 2008 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:37:45 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Anyone using the Parrish Plastics hardtop ? Message-ID: <018a01c94110$50d665c0$6401a8c0@your03667082de> "This was an aftermarket hardtop made for the Tiger/Alpine. It is fibreglass rather than steel and much lighter than factory. It is also has an Alpine style wraparound rear window." The Parrish top mounts differently than the Rootes hard top in case you don't know. Parrish tops use a turnbuckle at the "B" pillar. The turnbuckle attaches to a bolt you mount inside the car after the rear door jamb. A stock hard top has a lever operated clamp that hooks on to the chrome cap on the the door jamb. Plus, the stock top has two fittings on the rear of the top that slide into the two trunk hinges. A Parrish top lacks the those two fittings. Both tops attach at the windshield frame with the same type of clamp. Smoothline still makes this type of hard top. You can find them on the web. Another top that shows up once in a while is the Dynaplast top. This one is a angular, squared off shape like the Rootes top. I think it mounts the same way as the Parrish top. At one time my car had a Parrish top but wasn't included with the car when I bought it. It took me a while to figure why my car had two chrome bolts behind the seats. I was blaming the DPO for doing something stupid. Jeff From Pappentl at aol.com Fri Nov 7 14:11:52 2008 From: Pappentl at aol.com (Pappentl at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:11:52 EST Subject: [Tigers] Parrish Plastics hardtop Message-ID: In a message dated 11/7/2008 2:06:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, tigers-request at autox.team.net writes: sralsten at ca.rr.com Yes, I have one that came with my tiger from the second owner. I used it for several years before the tiger started its ever-so-slow restoration. What would you like to know about it? ...tom **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) From rfraser at bluefrog.com Fri Nov 7 15:09:22 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:09:22 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Headlight rim In-Reply-To: <31DFA16CFBA44B4FA08C5CFD3B3897A2@jerry> Message-ID: Jerry and Bob I just took a look at the headlight rims on my MK IA. Both rims look the same with the screw position offset to the same side; no marks to indicate part # or L or R side. They appear to be interchangeable but I did not try that. There are a couple different type of rims so we need to specify which style we refer to. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:22 PM To: 'Bob Dixon'; Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlight rim There IS a right and left headlight rim, that's why one of them doesn't fit. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Dixon Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:34 PM To: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Headlight rim This may be a stupid question, but here goes. Is there a right and left headlight rim for a MarkI/Ia or are they both the same? I just got back from the painter and he was asking since the ones I have are identical and they line up better on the passenger side than they do on the driver side. There is also a significant gap at the bottom of the rim when you line up the top and sides with the fender opening. Maybe it all kind of evens out once everything is mounted. Thanks, Bob Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1773 - Release Date: 11/7/2008 9:08 AM From achd73 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 7 15:20:01 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:20:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Headlight rim In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <488953.11877.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have several HL rims from S3s, S4 and S5s and both Mk1 and 1A cars- I can tell zero difference. The screw in or clip on and to the Mk2 ones Ive saved becuse I like them better fall into the same catagory. If there is a difference, I would like to know what. My thought on it not fitting one fender better than the other is perhaps the fender had some damage in its past. This is all speculation, as surely the fender was to bare metal prior to paint/restoration- so the theory doesnt make sense. Still if there is a difference, someone tell us all exactly how we tell. TtT From jimdamelio at cox.net Fri Nov 7 15:30:35 2008 From: jimdamelio at cox.net (Jim D'Amelio) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:30:35 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Headlight rim In-Reply-To: <000601c94092$1c08a020$4100a8c0@BobsDell> Message-ID: The headlight rims were not handed. They are interchangeable from left to right. When I was purchasing them in the late 70's/early 80's I noticed a difference in quality between the rims boxed by Lucas and the ones sold by Chrysler in the bag. If they were held back to back the Chrysler ones weren't round like the Lucas ones were. More oblong. I'm sure they were all made by Lucas, but I'm assuming the later production run wasn't up to the same standard. It's quite possible you have one of these replacement rims. Jim D -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Bob Dixon Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 11:34 PM To: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Headlight rim This may be a stupid question, but here goes. Is there a right and left headlight rim for a MarkI/Ia or are they both the same? I just got back from the painter and he was asking since the ones I have are identical and they line up better on the passenger side than they do on the driver side. There is also a significant gap at the bottom of the rim when you line up the top and sides with the fender opening. Maybe it all kind of evens out once everything is mounted. Thanks, Bob From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Nov 7 15:47:45 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:47:45 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Headlight rim References: <488953.11877.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F424@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> The left side ones are more likely to get run over and distorted after they fall off? -Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody > Sent: November 7, 2008 3:20 PM > To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; Beamclub > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlight rim > > Still if there is a difference, someone > tell us all exactly how we tell. TtT > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sat Nov 8 02:16:58 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:16:58 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Ebay-monterey tiger Message-ID: Want his the tgetr that weas for sale at the monterey/Rm auctiona couple of months back? Same wheels and badge offset to the same position.. didnt they report it sold in the 70K region? Item number: 200272880359 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___1965-Sunbeam-Tiger-Series-I_W0QQitemZ200272880359QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item200272880359&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 -- Regards Michael King From Carmods at aol.com Sat Nov 8 06:40:16 2008 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 08:40:16 EST Subject: [Tigers] Suni Carivans Message-ID: Is anyone setting up a register for nationwide caravans to Suni? John Logan **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) From wiseowl at thevision.net Sat Nov 8 12:44:18 2008 From: wiseowl at thevision.net (wiseowl at thevision.net) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:44:18 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Non Tiger: Solar powered electric car Message-ID: <20081108114418.6F17C77E@resin14.mta.everyone.net> It looks like it was inexpensive to build; might be fun to do just for sh**s and giggles. http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/348.html Michael From v8tracker at gmail.com Sat Nov 8 15:21:43 2008 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:21:43 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Ebay-monterey tiger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I didn't see any Tigers in R&M's Monterey's results, but if this seller thought the car was worth $70,000 it would sure explain his E-Bay name - "angryjuan". A.C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 3:17 AM > To: Tiger's Den > Subject: [Tigers] Ebay-monterey tiger > > Want his the tgetr that weas for sale at the monterey/Rm > auctiona couple of months back? Same wheels and badge offset > to the same position.. didnt they report it sold in the 70K region? > Item number: 200272880359 > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___1965-Sunbeam-Tige > r-Series-I_W0QQitemZ200272880359QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20TrucksQQddi Z2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item200272880359> &_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=65%3A10%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sat Nov 8 17:37:19 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:37:19 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Monterey Auctioned Tiger Message-ID: <491630BF.30601@SoCal.rr.com> Tigers, The difficulty with finding the R-M auction results for the Sunbeam Tiger auctioned at Monterey is that it was NOT an R-M auction. but a Russo and Steele Monterey Auction. The consignment # is 39-1012, the VIN is B9470741 LRXFE The exact description is at: http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1965_sunbeam_tiger__coupe/39-1012.html To see the pics, I had to right-click on the image icon [.] box and select "Show Image" on Firefox, and on a Mac. I don't think I am "configured" to suppress images. To see the "Final Sell Price" you must log-in with your e-mail address. I didn't. Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sat Nov 8 17:50:24 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 16:50:24 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Monterey Auctioned Tiger In-Reply-To: <491630BF.30601@SoCal.rr.com> References: <491630BF.30601@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <491633D0.5030903@SoCal.rr.com> Whoops! Restarted my browser, and now all pics appear. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Laifman wrote: > Tigers, > > The difficulty with finding the R-M auction results for the Sunbeam > Tiger auctioned at Monterey is that it was NOT an R-M auction. > but a Russo and Steele Monterey Auction. > > The consignment # is 39-1012, the VIN is B9470741 LRXFE > > The exact description is at: > > http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1965_sunbeam_tiger__coupe/39-1012.html > > > To see the pics, I had to right-click on the image icon [.] box and > select "Show Image" on Firefox, and on a Mac. I don't think I am > "configured" to suppress images. > > To see the "Final Sell Price" you must log-in with your e-mail > address. I didn't. > > Steve From Landcmitch at aol.com Sat Nov 8 18:17:17 2008 From: Landcmitch at aol.com (Landcmitch at aol.com) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:17:17 EST Subject: [Tigers] Monterey Auctioned Tiger Message-ID: Sold for $71,500 last year. Charlie In a message dated 11/8/2008 4:51:02 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com writes: http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1965_sunbeam_tiger__coupe/39-1012. html **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun Nov 9 01:30:40 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:30:40 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Ebay-monterey tiger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: To all, The tiger im talking about was not the dale A car nor shelby car.. it was a stockish Tiger with tose wheels and misaligned tiger badge.. we did discuss it.. will be in the archive.. will see if i can find it. Someone do a search in the archive for JAP wheels.. as we chatted about that on it. -- Regards Michael King From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Sun Nov 9 11:03:02 2008 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:03:02 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Ebay-monterey tiger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000901c94295$689bc890$39d359b0$@rr.com> I have JAP wheels. I love them. Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 02:31 To: A. C. Tynes Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Ebay-monterey tiger To all, The tiger im talking about was not the dale A car nor shelby car.. it was a stockish Tiger with tose wheels and misaligned tiger badge.. we did discuss it.. will be in the archive.. will see if i can find it. Someone do a search in the archive for JAP wheels.. as we chatted about that on it. -- Regards Michael King Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Sun Nov 9 12:21:05 2008 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:21:05 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Fan- at SEMA Message-ID: <1D1841EF690144F085CF4FF61E401EA2@jerry> List, Here is a unique idea for a fan I saw at SEMA this year. I don't know if it would fit in a Tiger, but who knows. The car I saw it on was an early Mustang (67 I think). Scroll down to "Side Winder" (#SW). http://www.the-fan-man.com/sidewinder.html I saw some other things that might work on Tigers like electric power steering and electric power brakes, cool stuff. I'll post those later. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sun Nov 9 13:31:10 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 12:31:10 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Fan- at SEMA In-Reply-To: <1D1841EF690144F085CF4FF61E401EA2@jerry> References: <1D1841EF690144F085CF4FF61E401EA2@jerry> Message-ID: <4917488E.3090607@SoCal.rr.com> Jerry and Tigers, In the article "Cool It Buddy!" on TigersUnited.com: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp contains pics and info on my high efficiency electric fan, recommended by Bob Palmer. EXCERPT: /"The fan is a 13" pusher type, 1600 CFM and I ordered it by phone (credit cards accepted) from Quest Cooling. 13" is the size that fits. It comes with the "Terminator" motor and is the maximum size I could get to mount flush with the radiator, and fit the space. For information, call 800-272-FANS (3267) and talk with Gary. You can also write for info catalog to Quest Cooling 25520 Avenue Stanford, Unit 304 Valencia, CA 91355." / I have used this system for many years, and the article was written in 2001. Here is one that works extremely well with our 105 F. temps, uphill, in traffic! I used a manual switch as those temp sensors clipped on the fins can wear through the fins or tubes. Only needed to switch it on in rare circumstances, as the rest of the cooling system design handles most any speed, situation - including a 5,000 ft climb to Big Bear United. Steve // ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp Jerry wrote: > List, > > Here is a unique idea for a fan I saw at SEMA this year. I don't know if it > would fit in a Tiger, but who knows. > > The car I saw it on was an early Mustang (67 I think). > > Scroll down to "Side Winder" (#SW). > > http://www.the-fan-man.com/sidewinder.html > > I saw some other things that might work on Tigers like electric power > steering and electric power brakes, cool stuff. > > I'll post those later. > > Jerry Christopherso From sganz at pacbell.net Sun Nov 9 16:23:29 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:23:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Auction Tiger Message-ID: <721191.80032.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://flickr.com/photos/9422868 at N02/2775723372/ http://flickr.com/photos/9422868 at N02/page2/ This is couple of shots I had of it at the Auction from Russo and 'Steal', might be others im Sandy From sralsten at ca.rr.com Sun Nov 9 18:47:31 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:47:31 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] The small world of Tigers Message-ID: <7950762.311441226281652109.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web09-z01> A short story that I for one find COMICAL. Last week I posted a question asking if anyone was using the Parrish Plastics HT. I didn't disclose my reason, which was this. I bought a car with one attached and quickly removed it with no intention of putting it on again. I paid no attention to how it was installed I just took it apart no notes no pictures. I recently decided I would use it for one more winter but couldn't recall the setup of the aluminum brackets/tornbuckles on the sides. I was hoping to find someone I could ask. I get a couple responses and one from Richard (RB) who send me a picture of a red Tiger with the Parrish top on it asking me "Is this one ?" I was thrilled and said yes, is that your car ? He said no it was one he had taken a picture of at the Tulsa Mid America meet, never found the owner. By this time it is the next day and I can't see the picture he sent as it is on my home computer. I start wondering how many red Tigers in Oklahoma could have that same top? Richard offers to send me all the pics he has of that car. When he does I see that it is MY CAR from a year before I bought it. I purchased it in Oklahoma City and amoung other things it still has the Mid America Cobra decal on it. The really funny part is after being sent pictures of my own car taken 1 year before I owned it is that one of Richards shots shows exactly what I needed to see to refresh my memory. So thank you to my PO for showing the car that weekend and thank you Richard for tryingto help by sending an "Is this one ? photo which led to the picture I should have taken myself before removing things. It;s a small world and a good lesson learned by me to photograph before removal in the future. Steve R From jrv309 at charter.net Mon Nov 10 16:23:25 2008 From: jrv309 at charter.net (Jerry and Marlene VanderPool) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:23:25 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Suni Carivans References: Message-ID: Hi John and Tiger List; Marlene and I are handling the registration for SUNI V for Max and the gang. If the list is interested, we could supply names (No personal information or addresses) of Tiger folks who registered in your area or on your route to SUNI V. I have not run this past Max, but am sure he will ok it as long as we keep personal info just that, personal. Anyone that is interested contact Marlene and me at jrv309 at charter.net. See you all in the "Black Hills". Jerry, Marlene and critters. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 5:40 AM Subject: [Tigers] Suni Carivans > Is anyone setting up a register for nationwide caravans to Suni? > > John Logan > **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all > other > Holiday needs. Search Now. > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from > -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From c_mottram at yahoo.com Mon Nov 10 19:43:17 2008 From: c_mottram at yahoo.com (Chris Mottram) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:43:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Generator whine Message-ID: <590937.95223.qm@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> After a year in the garage with no movement, I finally got off my duff and resurrected the beast. The generator on my MK1a is whining. Is the fix a brush replacement, a rebuild, or should I just get a rebuilt one? I have not rebuilt a generator before and am not sure what is involved. Thanks, Chris From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Mon Nov 10 20:12:39 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:12:39 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Generator whine In-Reply-To: <590937.95223.qm@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <590937.95223.qm@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4918F827.3010604@SoCal.rr.com> Chris, Since you may also need the armature turned and brushes replaced, along with bearings. A good shop that stocks Lucas Generator parts, or a BAP GEON store may have the parts, and the rebuild ability. Try google BAP GEON for local stores for you. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Chris Mottram wrote: > After a year in the garage with no movement, I finally got off my duff and > resurrected the beast. The generator on my MK1a is whining. Is the fix a > brush replacement, a rebuild, or should I just get a rebuilt one? I have not > rebuilt a generator before and am not sure what is involved. > > Thanks, > Chris From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Mon Nov 10 20:20:00 2008 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:20:00 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Generator whine References: <590937.95223.qm@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4918F827.3010604@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <106A8CB4640C440991F703A8015C000D@your4dacd0ea75> Steve, Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall the Tiger generator bears the FoMoCo brand, not Lucas. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Laifman" To: "Chris Mottram" Cc: Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator whine > Chris, > > Since you may also need the armature turned and brushes replaced, along > with bearings. A good shop that stocks Lucas Generator parts, or a BAP > GEON store may have the parts, and the rebuild ability. Try google BAP > GEON for local stores for you. > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > > Chris Mottram wrote: >> After a year in the garage with no movement, I finally got off my duff >> and >> resurrected the beast. The generator on my MK1a is whining. Is the fix a >> brush replacement, a rebuild, or should I just get a rebuilt one? I have >> not >> rebuilt a generator before and am not sure what is involved. >> Thanks, >> Chris > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From awtiger at cox.net Mon Nov 10 20:32:58 2008 From: awtiger at cox.net (Andy Walker) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:32:58 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Generator whine In-Reply-To: <106A8CB4640C440991F703A8015C000D@your4dacd0ea75> References: <590937.95223.qm@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4918F827.3010604@SoCal.rr.com> <106A8CB4640C440991F703A8015C000D@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: No need for you to be corrected, Buck...you're right. The Tiger uses a Ford generator. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buck Trippel" To: "Steve Laifman" ; "Chris Mottram" Cc: Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator whine > Steve, > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall the Tiger generator bears the > FoMoCo brand, not Lucas. > > Buck Trippel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Laifman" > To: "Chris Mottram" > Cc: > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 7:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator whine > > >> Chris, >> >> Since you may also need the armature turned and brushes replaced, along >> with bearings. A good shop that stocks Lucas Generator parts, or a BAP >> GEON store may have the parts, and the rebuild ability. Try google BAP >> GEON for local stores for you. >> >> Steve >> >> ___ >> Steve Laifman >> Editor - TigersUnited.com >> >> >> >> >> Chris Mottram wrote: >>> After a year in the garage with no movement, I finally got off my duff >>> and >>> resurrected the beast. The generator on my MK1a is whining. Is the fix >>> a >>> brush replacement, a rebuild, or should I just get a rebuilt one? I have >>> not >>> rebuilt a generator before and am not sure what is involved. >>> Thanks, >>> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Nov 11 07:09:29 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:09:29 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Generator whine In-Reply-To: <590937.95223.qm@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <341E9451B7B04F71A616A335744BA1A1@ronpc1> Chris Generator Ford part # is C1TZ-10002-A http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/17-WF-Electical Equipment.pdf See page WF-3 Note; the pulley on your generator maybe unique to the Tiger. Note#2 never, ever throw a Tiger part away, it is your only link to original parts A little whine might be acceptable, a lot of whine is probably the bearings. Have you checked the voltage and amp output of your generator? If there is little voltage or amp output you may need to polarize the generator http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmN6.asp The first step is always to try and find someone to rebuild your generator. I'm not sure if there are generator rebuild kits available; basically brushes and bearings. There are some instructions in the online Shop Manual above about rebuilding a generator. The last time I had my generator rebuilt it cost around $75, the armature had to be lathe cut. A last resort might be to convert to an alternator. I went the conversion route due to the continuing problems I had with the generator system on my Tiger. Welcome back to the world of Sunbeam and the beast Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Mottram Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:43 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Generator whine After a year in the garage with no movement, I finally got off my duff and resurrected the beast. The generator on my MK1a is whining. Is the fix a brush replacement, a rebuild, or should I just get a rebuilt one? I have not rebuilt a generator before and am not sure what is involved. Thanks, Chris No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1780 - Release Date: 11/10/2008 8:58 PM From bomber44 at comcast.net Tue Nov 11 11:33:43 2008 From: bomber44 at comcast.net (Rob Guerra) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:33:43 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Suni Carivans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Glad to hear we're going to see you in SD. It looks like we are planning a big contingent from NorCal. Right now we have Guerra's, Hall's, King's, peter Thomson, and the Curry's. We also are working on several others. On 11/10/08 3:23 PM, "Jerry and Marlene VanderPool" wrote: > Hi John and Tiger List; Marlene and I are handling the registration for > SUNI V for Max and the gang. If the list is interested, we could supply > names (No personal information or addresses) of Tiger folks who registered > in your area or on your route to SUNI V. I have not run this past Max, but > am sure he will ok it as long as we keep personal info just that, personal. > Anyone that is interested contact Marlene and me at jrv309 at charter.net. See > you all in the "Black Hills". Jerry, Marlene and critters. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 5:40 AM > Subject: [Tigers] Suni Carivans > > >> Is anyone setting up a register for nationwide caravans to Suni? >> >> John Logan >> **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all >> other >> Holiday needs. Search Now. >> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http >> ://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from >> -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Tue Nov 11 11:49:15 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:49:15 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Whoops! - Generator whine In-Reply-To: <106A8CB4640C440991F703A8015C000D@your4dacd0ea75> References: <590937.95223.qm@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4918F827.3010604@SoCal.rr.com> <106A8CB4640C440991F703A8015C000D@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <4919D3AB.90403@SoCal.rr.com> Whoops! Pleased to be corrected by such knowledgeable friends. My generator experiences were with my S5 Alpine, not the Tiger, sorry. They are so much alike until you start them ;-) However, my recommendation would still be to let a pro do with work with the proper machine tools. The difference is there are many more who can get the parts, and are familiar with the needs of FORD products over Lucas. Ron's link is a good one. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Buck Trippel wrote: > Steve, > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall the Tiger generator bears the > FoMoCo brand, not Lucas. > > Buck Trippel > > >> /Chris, >> >> Since you may also need the armature turned and brushes replaced, >> along with bearings. A good shop that stocks Lucas Generator parts, >> or a BAP GEON store may have the parts, and the rebuild ability. Try >> google BAP GEON for local stores for you. >> >> Steve >> >> ___ >> Steve Laifman >> Editor - TigersUnited.com >> / From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 11:50:00 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:50:00 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Suni Carivans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39a841b0811111050h3fdb13d3lb1185df7f5d13730@mail.gmail.com> when and where exactly is this going to be held? On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Rob Guerra wrote: > Hi > > Glad to hear we're going to see you in SD. It looks like we are planning a > big contingent from NorCal. Right now we have Guerra's, Hall's, King's, > peter Thomson, and the Curry's. We also are working on several others. > > > > On 11/10/08 3:23 PM, "Jerry and Marlene VanderPool" > wrote: > >> Hi John and Tiger List; Marlene and I are handling the registration for >> SUNI V for Max and the gang. If the list is interested, we could supply >> names (No personal information or addresses) of Tiger folks who registered >> in your area or on your route to SUNI V. I have not run this past Max, but >> am sure he will ok it as long as we keep personal info just that, personal. >> Anyone that is interested contact Marlene and me at jrv309 at charter.net. See >> you all in the "Black Hills". Jerry, Marlene and critters. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 5:40 AM >> Subject: [Tigers] Suni Carivans >> >> >>> Is anyone setting up a register for nationwide caravans to Suni? >>> >>> John Logan >>> **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all >>> other >>> Holiday needs. Search Now. >>> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http >>> ://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from >>> -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> Tigers at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >>> >>> http://www.team.net/archive >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From bob at rjosten.com Tue Nov 11 11:57:03 2008 From: bob at rjosten.com (Bob Josten) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:57:03 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] oxford word of the year Message-ID: Words that will never be used in the same sentence: 'sunbeam tiger' and 'hypermiling'. Bob Oxford Word of the Year 2008: Hypermiling The 2008 Word of the Year is (drum-roll please) *hypermiling*. Do you keep the tires on your car properly inflated to maximize your gas mileage? Have you removed the roof rack from your vehicle to streamline the car and reduce drag? Do you turn your engine off rather than idle at long stoplights? If you said yes to any of these questions you just might be a "* hypermiler*." Some history: "*Hypermiling*" was coined in 2004 by Wayne Gerdes, who runs this web site. "*Hypermiling*" or "*to* *hypermile*" is to attempt to maximize gas mileage by making fuel-conserving adjustments to one's car and one's driving techniques. Rather than aiming for good mileage or even great mileage, * hypermilers* seek to push their gas tanks to the limit and achieve * hypermileage*, exceeding EPA ratings for miles per gallon. Many of the methods followed by *hypermilers* are basic common sensedrive the speed limit, avoid hills and stop-and-go traffic, maintain proper tire pressure, don't let your car idle, get rid of excess cargobut others practiced by some devotees may seem slightly eccentric:  driving without shoes (to increase the foot's sensitivity on the pedals)  parking so that you don't have to back up to exit the space  "ridge-riding" or driving with your tires lined up with the white line at the edge of the road to avoid driving through water-filled ruts in the road when it's raining The *hypermiling* movement has been criticized for its alleged promotion of driving tactics that are considered dangerous or illegal, such as overinflating tires, rolling through stop signs, and following closely behind large vehicles to cut down on wind resistance. The American Automobile Association(AA A) has issued statements condemning *hypermiling* as unsafe, while *hypermilers* have countered that AAA's characterization of *hypermiling* is a misrepresentation (see links below for more info). *Hypermiling* has also gotten some positive attention in 2008, gaining mainstream traction as gas prices soared and the need to reduce dependence on fossil fuels, especially those from foreign sources, has become more apparent. A new initiative launched by the Association of Automobile Manufacturers and supported by such notables as California Gov. Arnold Schwarzeneggeradvocates the practice, referring to it as EcoDriving. President-elect Barack Obama observed during his campaign that Americans could save as much oil as would be produced by proposed off-shore drilling if only they kept their tire pressures at recommended levels and took their cars in for regular tune-ups. Republicans' subsequent criticisms of Obama's statement put these measures advocated by *hypermilers* in the center of the debate between conservation and drilling as solutions to Americans' foreign oil dependence problem. A growing number of Americans favor *hypermiling* as a sensible set of practices for all drivers who are concerned about their wallets, the environment, and fuel independence, not just for those on the fringe who are obsessed with increasing their MPG numbers. From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Tue Nov 11 12:40:44 2008 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:40:44 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Success!! ...and Filling a Tiger's Cooling System Message-ID: Well Gang, Last Wednesday I finally started my Tiger up after 4 years! It cranked over and fired up the first time much to my relief (after fixing a couple fuel leaks, and a bound up acceleration pump). I ran it for a bit to get the timing and carb in better tune. Everything seemed to be okay. On Thursday I was able to leave work a bit early and took my car for a journey of about a mile in my neighborhood before the darkness hit. It was a relief that mechanically things worked well (laid some rubber much to my neighbors' delight), and the motor sounded strong. I do have a number of small issues with the stock gauges to look at (temperature gauge not working, fuel gauge reads high) but everything seems to be a go. Now my question??? This may seem silly but how you fill your cooling system and know that is all the way filled? I don't want any trapped air pockets. The Factory Shop Manual says the factory cooling system holds about 16 quarts. I am using a Griffin aluminum radiator and an aluminum fill tank from Dale's Resto...but NO heater core (or hoses that go to it)...and I have about 13 quarts in the system. So maybe that's all it will hold? Initially I slowly filled the tank and got about 11-12 quarts in. It sat for a couple weeks and naturally went down a bit, so I topped it off. Then after running the car it went down again, so I was able to add some more...about another quart or so worth. Now maybe my system holds less than a stock system but I want to make sure the car is properly filled...so any advice is certainly welcome. Thanks in advance, Paul _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_faster_1 12008 From atwittsend at verizon.net Tue Nov 11 13:14:30 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:14:30 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] oxford word of the year References: Message-ID: One "hypermiling" technique that is not ever mentioned, yet very low in cost and high in safety is "jackstands." This January I will have gotten 8 years of Tiger ownership enjoyment and spent zero dollars on gas and insurance. Though I will have to admit that repair costs have still been rather high. Perhaps (I say with a pondering pause) "next year" all that should change. My 1991 Mazda 323 with a highway estimate of 37 MPG has gotten 45 MPG. My wife's Mazda MPV with an estimated 23 MPG has gotten 28+ MPG. So, when I apply the techniques of hypermiling it does benefit my Tiger in that I an "load-banking" (another term for "word of the year" consideration) fuel for the future. Thankfully, in the case of hypermiling , "the mileage you get may vary" is often a positive statement. Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1779 - Release Date: 11/10/2008 7:53 AM From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Nov 11 13:19:33 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:19:33 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Success!! ...and Filling a Tiger's Cooling System In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2B167C78C66A4D949353F8849701FEA2@ronpc1> Paul Congratulations on your newly running ride. Sounds like you have the right method for filling the cooling system just keep watching it. You could put in a catch can for the overflow tube; something I recommend everyone do and then put coolant in the catch can until it is no longer sucked into the system. Lots of people will say that won't work unless you change the radiator cap; well I have been running a stock cap with a catch can for about 20 years and it works just fine. My stock fill tank is about half full cold. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul R. Breuhan Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:41 PM To: Tigers Den Subject: [Tigers] Success!! ...and Filling a Tiger's Cooling System Well Gang, Last Wednesday I finally started my Tiger up after 4 years! It cranked over and fired up the first time much to my relief (after fixing a couple fuel leaks, and a bound up acceleration pump). I ran it for a bit to get the timing and carb in better tune. Everything seemed to be okay. On Thursday I was able to leave work a bit early and took my car for a journey of about a mile in my neighborhood before the darkness hit. It was a relief that mechanically things worked well (laid some rubber much to my neighbors' delight), and the motor sounded strong. I do have a number of small issues with the stock gauges to look at (temperature gauge not working, fuel gauge reads high) but everything seems to be a go. Now my question??? This may seem silly but how you fill your cooling system and know that is all the way filled? I don't want any trapped air pockets. The Factory Shop Manual says the factory cooling system holds about 16 quarts. I am using a Griffin aluminum radiator and an aluminum fill tank from Dale's Resto...but NO heater core (or hoses that go to it)...and I have about 13 quarts in the system. So maybe that's all it will hold? Initially I slowly filled the tank and got about 11-12 quarts in. It sat for a couple weeks and naturally went down a bit, so I topped it off. Then after running the car it went down again, so I was able to add some more...about another quart or so worth. Now maybe my system holds less than a stock system but I want to make sure the car is properly filled...so any advice is certainly welcome. Thanks in advance, Paul _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_faster_ 1 12008 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.1/1781 - Release Date: 11/11/2008 8:59 AM From cars at wt-inc.com Tue Nov 11 13:39:22 2008 From: cars at wt-inc.com (Lynn Wall) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:39:22 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Suni Carivans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002901c9443d$951142c0$bf33c840$@com> I second this, look forward to seeing Jerry and Marlene. BTW, I know there are several routes to get there but just know that you have a place in Park City, Utah (2 miles off I80, 25 miles from Salt Lake City) should any repairs or R&R is needed. I will probably be joining one of the caravans then. Lynn -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rob Guerra Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 11:34 AM To: Jerry and Marlene VanderPool; Carmods at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Suni Carivans Hi Glad to hear we're going to see you in SD. It looks like we are planning a big contingent from NorCal. Right now we have Guerra's, Hall's, King's, peter Thomson, and the Curry's. We also are working on several others. On 11/10/08 3:23 PM, "Jerry and Marlene VanderPool" wrote: > Hi John and Tiger List; Marlene and I are handling the registration for > SUNI V for Max and the gang. If the list is interested, we could supply > names (No personal information or addresses) of Tiger folks who registered > in your area or on your route to SUNI V. I have not run this past Max, but > am sure he will ok it as long as we keep personal info just that, personal. > Anyone that is interested contact Marlene and me at jrv309 at charter.net. See > you all in the "Black Hills". Jerry, Marlene and critters. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 5:40 AM > Subject: [Tigers] Suni Carivans > > >> Is anyone setting up a register for nationwide caravans to Suni? >> >> John Logan >> **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all >> other >> Holiday needs. Search Now. >> (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=htt p >> ://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from >> -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Tue Nov 11 13:43:24 2008 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:43:24 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Success!! ...and Filling a Tiger's Cooling System In-Reply-To: <2B167C78C66A4D949353F8849701FEA2@ronpc1> References: <2B167C78C66A4D949353F8849701FEA2@ronpc1> Message-ID: Ron, I thought a catch can was good idea also, so I made up an aluminum bracket to hold a smaller Tudor washer bottle/cage near the radiator. I am using a chrome Ford SMCO radiator cap I bought from National Part Depot with a sacrificial anode (I don't recall the psi rating offhand). I also wondered if I could see anything (coolant) when removing temperature sensor (gauge not working anyways) from the intake manifold? Paul > From: rfraser at bluefrog.com> To: prbreuhan at hotmail.com; tigers at autox.team.net> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Success!! ...and Filling a Tiger's Cooling System> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:19:33 -0500> > Paul> Congratulations on your newly running ride.> > Sounds like you have the right method for filling the cooling system just> keep watching it.> > You could put in a catch can for the overflow tube; something I recommend> everyone do and then put coolant in the catch can until it is no longer> sucked into the system.> > Lots of people will say that won't work unless you change the radiator cap;> well I have been running a stock cap with a catch can for about 20 years and> it works just fine. My stock fill tank is about half full cold.> > Ron Fraser> > -----Original Message-----> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]> On Behalf Of Paul R. Breuhan> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:41 PM> To: Tigers Den> Subject: [Tigers] Success!! ...and Filling a Tiger's Cooling System> > > Well Gang,> Last Wednesday I finally started my Tiger up after 4 years!> > It cranked over and fired up the first time much to my relief (after fixing> a couple fuel leaks, and a bound up acceleration pump). I ran it for a bit> to get the timing and carb in better tune. Everything seemed to be okay.> > On Thursday I was able to leave work a bit early and took my car for a> journey of about a mile in my neighborhood before the darkness hit. It was a> relief that mechanically things worked well (laid some rubber much to my> neighbors' delight), and the motor sounded strong. I do have a number of> small issues with the stock gauges to look at (temperature gauge not> working, fuel gauge reads high) but everything seems to be a go.> > Now my question???> > This may seem silly but how you fill your cooling system and know that is> all the way filled? I don't want any trapped air pockets.> > The Factory Shop Manual says the factory cooling system holds about 16> quarts.> > I am using a Griffin aluminum radiator and an aluminum fill tank from Dale's> Resto...but NO heater core (or hoses that go to it)...and I have about 13> quarts in the system. So maybe that's all it will hold?> > Initially I slowly filled the tank and got about 11-12 quarts in. It sat for> a couple weeks and naturally went down a bit, so I topped it off. Then after> running the car it went down again, so I was able to add some more...about> another quart or so worth.> > Now maybe my system holds less than a stock system but I want to make sure> the car is properly filled...so any advice is certainly welcome.> > Thanks in advance,> Paul _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/ From sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net Tue Nov 11 14:39:30 2008 From: sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net (Paul R Sheahan) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:39:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] South Florida TAC Event January 3, 2009 Message-ID: <94628.24537.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Southeast and South Florida Tiger Owners, On Saturday January 3, 2009 the Southeast TAC Inspectors will be holding the first TAC event of the new year. If you would like to have your Tiger authenticated, please mark your calender and come to sunny southwest Florida. The weather is great in January and the Naples area is a wonderful place to visit. If you are interested, please let me know and I will give you more details. Paul R Sheahan Senior TAC Inspector#23 From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tue Nov 11 16:22:18 2008 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:22:18 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] South Florida TAC Event January 3, 2009 In-Reply-To: <94628.24537.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <94628.24537.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c94454$57351cd0$059f5670$@rr.com> When you guys coming to Kansas City to do a TAC event? Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul R Sheahan Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 15:40 To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] South Florida TAC Event January 3, 2009 Southeast and South Florida Tiger Owners, On Saturday January 3, 2009 the Southeast TAC Inspectors will be holding the first TAC event of the new year. If you would like to have your Tiger authenticated, please mark your calender and come to sunny southwest Florida. The weather is great in January and the Naples area is a wonderful place to visit. If you are interested, please let me know and I will give you more details. Paul R Sheahan Senior TAC Inspector#23 Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 11 16:27:36 2008 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:27:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] South Florida TAC Event January 3, 2009 In-Reply-To: <94628.24537.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <932371.53770.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Oh how I wish that three or four guys in the Midwest would become TAC certified inspectors. Anything along those lines in the works? Not everyone can get to East Coast or West Coast gatherings for TAC's. Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Paul R Sheahan wrote: From: Paul R Sheahan Subject: [Tigers] South Florida TAC Event January 3, 2009 To: "tigers at autox.team.net" Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 4:39 PM Southeast and South Florida Tiger Owners, On Saturday January 3, 2009 the Southeast TAC Inspectors will be holding the first TAC event of the new year. If you would like to have your Tiger authenticated, please mark your calender and come to sunny southwest Florida. The weather is great in January and the Naples area is a wonderful place to visit. If you are interested, please let me know and I will give you more details. Paul R Sheahan Senior TAC Inspector#23 Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tue Nov 11 16:41:22 2008 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:41:22 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] South Florida TAC Event January 3, 2009 In-Reply-To: <932371.53770.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <94628.24537.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <932371.53770.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c94457$01940090$04bc01b0$@rr.com> Maybe we can all get together and fly these guys out for a weekend. I could put one or more up at my house. 10 guys pitch in to pay for three inspectors. It may not be that bad. I would love to become an inspector myself but do not know the handshake (I do have a very high security clearance though ;>)). When will younger inspectors be trained, the TAC guys are getting older. Duke B382002037 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Waite Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 17:28 To: tigers at autox.team.net; sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] South Florida TAC Event January 3, 2009 Oh how I wish that three or four guys in the Midwest would become TAC certified inspectors. Anything along those lines in the works? Not everyone can get to East Coast or West Coast gatherings for TAC's. Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Paul R Sheahan wrote: From: Paul R Sheahan Subject: [Tigers] South Florida TAC Event January 3, 2009 To: "tigers at autox.team.net" Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 4:39 PM Southeast and South Florida Tiger Owners, On Saturday January 3, 2009 the Southeast TAC Inspectors will be holding the first TAC event of the new year. If you would like to have your Tiger authenticated, please mark your calender and come to sunny southwest Florida. The weather is great in January and the Naples area is a wonderful place to visit. If you are interested, please let me know and I will give you more details. Paul R Sheahan Senior TAC Inspector#23 Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From atwittsend at verizon.net Tue Nov 11 16:47:49 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:47:49 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] South Florida TAC Event January 3, 2009 References: <94628.24537.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <932371.53770.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000001c94457$01940090$04bc01b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <5BEE4F8D8E27453CA22BBF304170199E@student2> >>>When will younger inspectors be trained, the TAC guys are getting older.<<< Former list member "Joey" lived in the midwest somewhere and he must be??? - 18 years old by now! SUNI is South Dakota. While not right in your backyard, it is closer than California or Florida. Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1779 - Release Date: 11/10/2008 7:53 AM From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Tue Nov 11 16:59:58 2008 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:59:58 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Headlight rim In-Reply-To: References: <31DFA16CFBA44B4FA08C5CFD3B3897A2@jerry> Message-ID: <38D194BA00AF43D0B6553CEE8ED36872@jerry> List, Well, I have mud on my face, I took both of my headlight rims off and everyone is right, they are interchangeable. It was 8 years ago when I put them on and I just couldn't remember. I did remember that the attachment was off to one side and just assumed they were "handed" sorry. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 4:09 PM To: 'Jerry'; 'Bob Dixon'; Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlight rim Jerry and Bob I just took a look at the headlight rims on my MK IA. Both rims look the same with the screw position offset to the same side; no marks to indicate part # or L or R side. They appear to be interchangeable but I did not try that. There are a couple different type of rims so we need to specify which style we refer to. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 2:22 PM To: 'Bob Dixon'; Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlight rim There IS a right and left headlight rim, that's why one of them doesn't fit. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Dixon Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:34 PM To: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Headlight rim This may be a stupid question, but here goes. Is there a right and left headlight rim for a MarkI/Ia or are they both the same? I just got back from the painter and he was asking since the ones I have are identical and they line up better on the passenger side than they do on the driver side. There is also a significant gap at the bottom of the rim when you line up the top and sides with the fender opening. Maybe it all kind of evens out once everything is mounted. Thanks, Bob Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1773 - Release Date: 11/7/2008 9:08 AM Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From DJoh797014 at aol.com Tue Nov 11 17:17:09 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:17:09 EST Subject: [Tigers] Generator whine Message-ID: In fact the generator parts and service can be had at your local Ford tractor dealer. Brushes can be had at NAPA for under $3 They should have bearings too. Dave In a message dated 11/10/2008 9:33:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, awtiger at cox.net writes: No need for you to be corrected, Buck...you're right. The Tiger uses a Ford generator. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buck Trippel" To: "Steve Laifman" ; "Chris Mottram" Cc: Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator whine > Steve, > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall the Tiger generator bears the > FoMoCo brand, not Lucas. > > Buck Trippel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Laifman" > To: "Chris Mottram" > Cc: > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 7:12 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Generator whine > > >> Chris, >> >> Since you may also need the armature turned and brushes replaced, along >> with bearings. A good shop that stocks Lucas Generator parts, or a BAP >> GEON store may have the parts, and the rebuild ability. Try google BAP >> GEON for local stores for you. >> >> Steve >> >> ___ >> Steve Laifman >> Editor - TigersUnited.com >> >> >> >> >> Chris Mottram wrote: >>> After a year in the garage with no movement, I finally got off my duff >>> and >>> resurrected the beast. The generator on my MK1a is whining. Is the fix >>> a >>> brush replacement, a rebuild, or should I just get a rebuilt one? I have >>> not >>> rebuilt a generator before and am not sure what is involved. >>> Thanks, >>> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. 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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Nov 12 08:26:41 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:26:41 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] northeast TAC References: Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F444@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> The TAC committee has, on occasion, put together TAC inspector training sessions, at Sunbeam marque events. I think there was one at the TEAE United a few years back and that allowed a number of east coast Tiger enthusiasts to become inspectors. Maybe if there is enough interest a session can be put together at SUNI V? Theo > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com > Sent: November 12, 2008 8:19 AM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] northeast TAC > > Hello all, > > As the CA community is the pioneer in TAC-ing (as in many > things), I find the North East sector lacking in events for > this endevour. > > I just had a thought: we have some extraordinary people with > life-long association and knowledge of Tigers (real ones). > > How about some (I'm volunteering people here) regional > experts that could be certified, like Tod Brown and Tom Erhart. > > These people are technically familiar with the marque and > have had cars as long as they've been around. > > We need some North East people. If it is my ignorance showing > and this has already been mooted, pardon me. > > What say? > > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE > > **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, > movie news & > more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x12008 > 12037/aol?redir=htt > p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From parlanti at comcast.net Wed Nov 12 09:28:18 2008 From: parlanti at comcast.net (parlanti at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:28:18 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] northeast TAC Message-ID: <111220081628.25213.491B0422000407070000627D2215568884079B020E049D0E9F@comcast.net> There are several TAC inspectors in the Mid-Atlantic area. Tom Calvert, as the local senior inspector, generally coordinates the TAC sessions and gathers us "normal" inspectors together as needed. At this year's TEAE United in Potomac, Maryland, we TAC'd several cars. I'm all for travelling to events to TAC cars, for me it's an excuse to hang out with car guys for a while. Hope this helps, JVP Tiger Mk1A B382000026 -- Joseph V. Parlanti 16048 Copen Meadow Dr. North Potomac, Md. 20878 Cell - 301-461-0626 Email - Parlanti at comcast.net -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Smit, Theo" > The TAC committee has, on occasion, put together TAC inspector training > sessions, at Sunbeam marque events. I think there was one at the TEAE > United a few years back and that allowed a number of east coast Tiger > enthusiasts to become inspectors. Maybe if there is enough interest a > session can be put together at SUNI V? > > Theo From laurin212 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 11:11:55 2008 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:11:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] northeast TAC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <442635.43692.qm@web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> amen. i have 2 tigers i'd love to get tac'd (plus one that is already by the prior owner), i live in ny, and cant get away too often to far away events that have tac sessions. i'd even consider becoming an inspector if the need was there. Peter Laurinaitis --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Rollright at aol.com wrote: > From: Rollright at aol.com > Subject: [Tigers] northeast TAC > To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net > Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 10:19 AM > Hello all, > > As the CA community is the pioneer in TAC-ing (as in many > things), I find > the North East sector lacking in events for this endevour. > > I just had a thought: we have some extraordinary people > with life-long > association and knowledge of Tigers (real ones). > > How about some (I'm volunteering people here) regional > experts that could be > certified, like Tod Brown and Tom Erhart. > > These people are technically familiar with the marque and > have had cars as > long as they've been around. > > We need some North East people. If it is my ignorance > showing and this has > already been mooted, pardon me. > > What say? > > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE > > **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, > theaters, movie news & > more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt > p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From awtiger at cox.net Wed Nov 12 12:05:43 2008 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:05:43 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] northeast TAC In-Reply-To: <442635.43692.qm@web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081112140543.TTTA0.94724.imail@eastrmwml36> Same here, Peter: I live in Oklahoma and I, too, find myself unable to get to either coast for TAC events. You can bet that I'll be making my way to Rapid City next summer to have my Tiger TAC'd. A large Sunbeam meet such as this one will probably never be this close to me again. I, too, would be interested in being a TAC inspector but there aren't enough folks or Tigers in my neck of the woods to even begin to have an event. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX ---- Peter Laurinaitis wrote: > amen. i have 2 tigers i'd love to get tac'd (plus one that is already by the prior owner), i live in ny, and cant get away too often to far away events that have tac sessions. i'd even consider becoming an inspector if the need was there. > > Peter Laurinaitis From jteepen at usatoday.com Wed Nov 12 13:28:44 2008 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:28:44 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Hillman/Rootes parts clearance.. In-Reply-To: <04cd01c93e8a$219c2520$4101a8c0@JIMPC> Message-ID: <9FF002B4A98E0F4FB752C81A06F004E9727B081155@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> Was anyone successful in making contact with this person? I called and left a message on Sat. 11/8 but have not received a return call. Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 6:32 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Hillman/Rootes parts clearance.. If anyone is in the Chino California area, I've been talking to a guy there that has a BUNCH of Hillman/Minx/Sunbeam parts and the price for the lot has been dropping daily.if not gone in the next couple of days it's going to the scrapyard for $400..No Tiger specific parts but have a look at the picture link below and you might find something you can use.. If the link isn't completely highlighted, just copy and paste the whole thing.. I'm way too far away for this one but if you want to have a look, call Joe @ 951-440-6210 Jim From todbrown at roadrunner.com Wed Nov 12 21:15:18 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:15:18 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Northeast TAC Message-ID: <491BA9D6.1040606@roadrunner.com> This past October, we had a Sunbeam get-together in the Mid-Coast area of Maine, as we have had for the last three years (would have been four, but we got rained out the first time we tried). The attendance has grown slowly but steadily each year and this year we had about a dozen cars show up from as far away as New Brunswick and Massachusetts. Unfortunately, it was the same weekend as the TE/AE United in Washington, DC. We kind of had to go with that date since we link our get-together with a Foreign Car Meet at the Owls Head Museum nearby. One of the attendees at the event (Dave Munroe) raised the question of TAC inspections, so I mentioned it to Steve Towle, who is on the Board of Directors of TE/AE. He, in turn, talked to Tom Calvert, who was receptive to the idea of trying to have a TAC session in Maine next October or perhaps the year after (2010). I think there are a number of people who would like to see it happen, but I don't know what the logistics and expenses might be. It is my understanding from Steve Towle that it might be possible to have the TE/AE United in 2010 in Maine, although no discussion has taken place, yet. I would certainly be willing to put some people up in my old farmhouse which has a few unused bedrooms most of the time and I would be happy to try to help put together arrangements for a meeting. I would also be willing to go through the necessary training to become an inspector, although there are several others who know much more than I and I would be among the older generation (I am an original Tiger owner of 42 years standing). In any case, I realize that Maine is sort of off in the corner (one of the reasons for living here) and not an easy trip for many. That said, Maine is a beautiful place, especially in October, so there is that added enticement to visit. It might be helpful to us, if there are owners out there who would be willing to come to a TAC session, to let me know so we can get some indication of what we might expect for turnout and also to advocate for a TE/AE meeting in Maine as well. Anybody interested in any or all of these possibilities is invited to contact me off list and I will try to pass on information as it comes to me. Tod B382002384LRXFE From davidandvarley at hotmail.com Thu Nov 13 00:40:17 2008 From: davidandvarley at hotmail.com (David and Varley Tweddle) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:40:17 +0900 Subject: [Tigers] Any Tiger TAC inspectors like to come and visit Perth, Western Australia? Message-ID: Hi fellow Sunbeamers, I'd love to get my Tiger certified....only problem is I'm in West Australia!! Any inspectors like to come "Down Under" for a holiday? Accomodation, great weather, and no "election overload" provided. On another matter you may be interested in......my Pertronix distributor cam gear roll pin failed after only 2000 miles. The original Ford distributor was still going strong at 99,999 miles but I replaced it to give the car a "Reward" for sterling service!! Only the distributor and oil pump drive shaft changed (for a new "hi performance" shaft to cope with my HV oil pump. The roll pin failed 2 hours into a 3 hour drive at 3000 rpm in top gear!! Easily fixed - except if you are out bush in the middle of nowhere! The roll pin didn't "Screw off" it appearsto have shattered into about 5 pieces...as though too hard or brittle. Anyway, let's know if any of you TAC inspectors would like the vacation of a lifetime (sort of) "Down Under". Cheers David Tweddle Perth West Australia _________________________________________________________________ Take a summer road trip with Windows Live Hotmail. Multiple prizes and the ultimate dream beach house! http://www.ninemsn.com.au/hotmailroadtrip From dave at munroe.ca Thu Nov 13 04:23:56 2008 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:23:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Northeast TAC In-Reply-To: <491BA9D6.1040606@roadrunner.com> References: <491BA9D6.1040606@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <3382911EAAFD4AEBA51B6C2284B18711@DavePC> Bravo Tod! Thanks for your enthusiastic response! Also thanks to Steve Towle, who has to be one of the most knowledgeable Tiger enthusiasts in the North East. From my observation, there is no shortage of qualified Tiger owners in this area who could easily handle the job of training to become a TAC Inspector. Count me in for anything you can arrange for a gathering in the next couple of years. Carol and I had a fabulous time at your meet in October, and we will be back anytime we are invited to experience more of the warm north-east hospitality, wonderful roads, fall colours and the comaraderie of all the Tiger owners we met. Also. not to put too fine a point on it, but the Owl's Head Transportation Museum is a treasure beyond measure! For visitors to your region it is a complete surprise to find on display such a huge collection of historic and period representative cars, aircraft, motorcycles and all manner of other interesting mechanical contraptions that were built in the past 100 years.. A TE/AE United annual event would be hard pressed to find a more appropriate venue than Owls Head. Bring it on! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tod Brown" To: ; Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:15 AM Subject: [Tigers] Northeast TAC > This past October, we had a Sunbeam get-together in the Mid-Coast area of > Maine, as we have had for the last three years (would have been four, but > we got rained out the first time we tried). The attendance has grown > slowly but steadily each year and this year we had about a dozen cars show > up from as far away as New Brunswick and Massachusetts. Unfortunately, it > was the same weekend as the TE/AE United in Washington, DC. We kind of > had to go with that date since we link our get-together with a Foreign Car > Meet at the Owls Head Museum nearby. One of the attendees at the event > (Dave Munroe) raised the question of TAC inspections, so I mentioned it to > Steve Towle, who is on the Board of Directors of TE/AE. He, in turn, > talked to Tom Calvert, who was receptive to the idea of trying to have a > TAC session in Maine next October or perhaps the year after (2010). I > think there are a number of people who would like to see it happen, but I > don't know what the logistics and expenses might be. It is my > understanding from Steve Towle that it might be possible to have the TE/AE > United in 2010 in Maine, although no discussion has taken place, yet. I > would certainly be willing to put some people up in my old farmhouse which > has a few unused bedrooms most of the time and I would be happy to try to > help put together arrangements for a meeting. I would also be willing to > go through the necessary training to become an inspector, although there > are several others who know much more than I and I would be among the > older generation (I am an original Tiger owner of 42 years standing). In > any case, I realize that Maine is sort of off in the corner (one of the > reasons for living here) and not an easy trip for many. That said, Maine > is a beautiful place, especially in October, so there is that added > enticement to visit. It might be helpful to us, if there are owners out > there who would be willing to come to a TAC session, to let me know so we > can get some indication of what we might expect for turnout and also to > advocate for a TE/AE meeting in Maine as well. Anybody interested in any > or all of these possibilities is invited to contact me off list and I will > try to pass on information as it comes to me. > > Tod > B382002384LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From mark.rense at ge.com Thu Nov 13 08:35:09 2008 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:35:09 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event! Message-ID: I've had a couple discussions over the years with Doug Jennings on hosting a TAC party at his Tiger Automotive shop in Dayton, OH. I just got off the phone with him, and he is more than amenable to hosting an event like this. He suggested late spring, sometime in May would be a good time frame. With him retiring from the day-to-day repair business, he now has more time available to do this. So, I think this is a good time to look for interest in this event. We will obviously need the services of at least two additional TAC inspectors, and maybe we could even find a volunteer or two to become an inspector. Event: TAC Party Place: Tiger Automotive, Dayton, OH Time: Mid-to-late May 2009 Doug has asked me to be the tip of the spear here, so forward your interest to me. Please let me know your preference on dates. Thanks, Bugz B382000991 B382001465 From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Thu Nov 13 08:54:55 2008 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:54:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <916707.83754.qm@web82703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Wow! That is fantastic news! I can't speak for others in the Midwest who need a car TAC'd, but I would certainly be willing to pay a "fee" of some sort to help cover expenses that the volunteer inspectors have getting to the event. I understand that there is no formal "charge" for the inspections, but I do think participants should be willing to chip in something to help cover the expenses of the inspectors. Just my 2 cents. Any date in May is OK for me. Please put me on the list of guys needing inspections performed. And thank you, Doug Jennings, for offering to host the event! Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) wrote: From: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) Subject: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event! To: tigers at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 10:35 AM I've had a couple discussions over the years with Doug Jennings on hosting a TAC party at his Tiger Automotive shop in Dayton, OH. I just got off the phone with him, and he is more than amenable to hosting an event like this. He suggested late spring, sometime in May would be a good time frame. With him retiring from the day-to-day repair business, he now has more time available to do this. So, I think this is a good time to look for interest in this event. We will obviously need the services of at least two additional TAC inspectors, and maybe we could even find a volunteer or two to become an inspector. Event: TAC Party Place: Tiger Automotive, Dayton, OH Time: Mid-to-late May 2009 Doug has asked me to be the tip of the spear here, so forward your interest to me. Please let me know your preference on dates. Thanks, Bugz B382000991 B382001465 Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From awtiger at cox.net Thu Nov 13 09:17:12 2008 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:17:12 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081113111712.VD4JM.106237.imail@eastrmwml47> Mark: Normally, I would be interested in this but, since it's scheduled so close to SUNI V, I'd have to pass this time and attend SUNI V. It's my understanding that they are going to schedule a TAC event there as well. That way, I can not only get my Tiger TAC'd, but I can see a boat-load of other Sunbeams as well. Yours is a great offer, however. If it weren't for SUNI V, I'd be making plans to come to Dayton. Thanks, Andy Walker B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Thu Nov 13 09:25:00 2008 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:25:00 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bugz, Sounds good to me! Keep us posted I would come down from Michigan any time in May with my Tiger...I would prefer earlier verses later in May. Paul > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:35:09 -0500> From: mark.rense at ge.com> To: tigers at autox.team.net> Subject: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event!> > I've had a couple discussions over the years with Doug Jennings on> hosting a TAC party at his Tiger Automotive shop in Dayton, OH. I just> got off the phone with him, and he is more than amenable to hosting an> event like this. He suggested late spring, sometime in May would be a> good time frame. With him retiring from the day-to-day repair business,> he now has more time available to do this.> > So, I think this is a good time to look for interest in this event. We> will obviously need the services of at least two additional TAC> inspectors, and maybe we could even find a volunteer or two to become an> inspector.> > Event: TAC Party> Place: Tiger Automotive, Dayton, OH> Time: Mid-to-late May 2009> > Doug has asked me to be the tip of the spear here, so forward your> interest to me. Please let me know your preference on dates.> > Thanks,> > Bugz> B382000991> B382001465 _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/ From jd.sencindiver at gmail.com Thu Nov 13 09:56:10 2008 From: jd.sencindiver at gmail.com (jd.sencindiver at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:56:10 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event! Message-ID: <00163628395e5640c4045b94fd56@google.com> Actually there's a $10 fee to have a Tiger TACed, and it's refunded if the Tiger can't be authenticated. This fee is for the TAC sticker and certificate. You need 3 TAC Inspectors, one of which must be a Senior Inspector, to TAC a Tiger. Who are "we" looking at for the 3 Inspectors? Keep on Tigering! Jim Sencindiver (aka: Tiger_ii_Jim) B382100451/TAC 448 http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp On Nov 13, 2008 10:54am, Bill Waite wrote: > Wow! That is fantastic news! > > > > > > I can't speak for others in the Midwest who need a car TAC'd, but I would > > > certainly be willing to pay a "fee" of some sort to help cover expenses that > > > the volunteer inspectors have getting to the event. I understand that there > > > is no formal "charge" for the inspections, but I do think participants should > > > be willing to chip in something to help cover the expenses of the inspectors. > > > Just my 2 cents. > > > > > > Any date in May is OK for me. Please put me on the list of guys needing > > > inspections performed. And thank you, Doug Jennings, for offering to host the > > > event! > > > > > > Bill Waite > > > Grand Rapids, MI From jd.sencindiver at gmail.com Thu Nov 13 10:19:16 2008 From: jd.sencindiver at gmail.com (jd.sencindiver at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:19:16 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] South Florida TAC Event January 3, 2009 Message-ID: <0016361e86c0f48166045b954f96@google.com> Thats what we did Fall 2000. 13 of us got together and paid Tom Hall's airfare to DC. He held a TAC class on Saturday and then TACed a bunch of Tigers on Sunday. After submitting the written test to Tom, several of the 13 were made TAC Inspectors. I take offense (wink, wink) at the comment about TAC Inspector age! I'm only 53 and Joe Parlanti is younger than me. If you want to become a TAC inspector, you should probably contact Tom Hall or the STOA TAC Chairman directly. Keep on Tigering! Jim Sencindiver (aka: Tiger_II_Jim) B382100451/TAC 448 http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/sencindiver_j/default.asp On Nov 11, 2008 6:41pm, Samouce's wrote: > Maybe we can all get together and fly these guys out for a weekend. I could > > > put one or more up at my house. 10 guys pitch in to pay for three > > > inspectors. It may not be that bad. > > > > > > I would love to become an inspector myself but do not know the handshake (I > > > do have a very high security clearance though ;>)). When will younger > > > inspectors be trained, the TAC guys are getting older. > > > > > > Duke > > > B382002037 From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Nov 13 15:21:10 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:21:10 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Any Tiger TAC inspectors like to come and visit Perth, Western Australia? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David, Do you ever make it to the nationals? There are 2 TAC inspectors that turn up to those... that way you only need 1 guest! Which Tiger do you have, do you know the white IA thats for sale in WA at the moment? -- Regards Michael King From harryb at elams.org Fri Nov 14 05:14:26 2008 From: harryb at elams.org (Harry B. Elam) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:14:26 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] TAC @ Doug Jennings Message-ID: <491D6BA2.6020502@elams.org> Mark, If you get it scheduled, let me know. I am willing to try and make the trip from North Carolina. Harry Elam TAC Junior inspector #37 B382000471 TAC cert #0458 From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Fri Nov 14 09:35:14 2008 From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:35:14 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Tigers] Alpine help needed in San Diego, CA Message-ID: <4518879.1226680514270.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Gang, One of my readers in San Diego is working on a special - he just wants to look - Anyone out there be able to help.... Thanks, Rick Feibusch Venice, CA --------------------------------------------------- From: Fred Puhn To: Richard Feibusch Dear Rick, I am working on a car using many early Sunbeam Alpine parts. Do you know of a person in the San Diego, CA area who has a Sunbeam Alpine and might be willing to let me look at it for 5 minutes. I need to see what the windshield wipers look like from the outside of the body. Thanks, Fred Puhn National City, CA From laurin212 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 14 09:57:25 2008 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:57:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <349362.1127.qm@web53601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> That is PERFECT. Count me in to be TAC'd. My Tiger is at Dougs now and restoration should be done this spring in time, or at least the door jambs will be painted so we can stick that sticker on! Peter Laurinaitis peter.laurinaitis.wg02 at wharton.upenn.edu --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) wrote: > From: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) > Subject: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event! > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 10:35 AM > I've had a couple discussions over the years with Doug > Jennings on > hosting a TAC party at his Tiger Automotive shop in Dayton, > OH. I just > got off the phone with him, and he is more than amenable to > hosting an > event like this. He suggested late spring, sometime in May > would be a > good time frame. With him retiring from the day-to-day > repair business, > he now has more time available to do this. > > So, I think this is a good time to look for interest in > this event. We > will obviously need the services of at least two additional > TAC > inspectors, and maybe we could even find a volunteer or two > to become an > inspector. > > Event: TAC Party > Place: Tiger Automotive, Dayton, OH > Time: Mid-to-late May 2009 > > Doug has asked me to be the tip of the spear here, so > forward your > interest to me. Please let me know your preference on > dates. > > Thanks, > > Bugz > B382000991 > B382001465 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From racetig at verizon.net Fri Nov 14 12:33:46 2008 From: racetig at verizon.net (Rob) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:33:46 -0600 (CST) Subject: [Tigers] TAC Southwest Message-ID: <21113823.1318241226691226144.JavaMail.root@vms074.mailsrvcs.net> Listers, Just for the record, there are three junior TAC inspectors in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. We have been working to set up an event by bringing in a senior or getting one of the junior's credentials upgraded... It's well known that there are a good number of Sunbeam candidates in this part of the country... Will advise the list when something concrete occurs... Rob 3 Tigs From dickbarker at earthlink.net Fri Nov 14 13:07:13 2008 From: dickbarker at earthlink.net (Dick Barker) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:07:13 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Midwest TAC Event In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:00 AM 11/14/2008, peter.laurinaitis.wg02 at wharton.upenn.edu wrote: >.....the door jambs will be painted so we can stick that sticker on! ---------- The sticker is affixed under the dash, not on the door jambs. From rfraser at bluefrog.com Fri Nov 14 13:55:06 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:55:06 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] FYI Message-ID: <7D723A99B3B54CDEA51678C5CE69DCB0@ronpc1> Jan 2009 issue of Hot Rod Magazine just came in the mail today. There is a very good article about Rust Eradication with liquid products and Blasting plus their evaluation of the products. Ron Fraser From mk1a67 at gmail.com Fri Nov 14 22:34:00 2008 From: mk1a67 at gmail.com (Cliff Alexander) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:34:00 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Brake light switch Message-ID: <8abbe6e00811142134n60adf190y26b5d4c610992e51@mail.gmail.com> All-- I was informed a couple of weeks ago that I might not have brake lights (thanks Patrick). After I got home I found that the brake lights worked but I had to press the pedal pretty hard. If I was coasting up to a stop and not pressing the pedal very hard the lights would not come on. I know that there were some messages a while back that mentioned some specific switches and the cars they came from. Could someone please re-post the car(s) make and model? Thanks Cliff From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sat Nov 15 10:23:16 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:23:16 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Brake light switch In-Reply-To: <8abbe6e00811142134n60adf190y26b5d4c610992e51@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2CC788D1029D44398ECF4C6B35146A80@ronpc1> Cliff This is a common problem with hydraulic brake switches. I went to an electrical switch at the brake pedal for the safety factor and I also need it for the cruise control I put into My Tiger. I'm using a brake light switch from a 1991 Ford Escort. The switch has too much internal spring force on the button which will over power the spring on the brake pedal and make the switch be ON all the time. You can carefully take the switch apart and remove 1 of the internal springs to make it work correctly. http://www.autozone.com/R,974262/vehicleId,1608002/initialAction,partProduct Detail/store,2947/partType,00132/shopping/partProductDetail.htm This switch is use on all Ford Escorts 1991 - 2002 and a number of other vehicles including many Mazda vehicles; if you check on the Advance Auto web site you will find a listing for all vehicle applications for the switch. First pull up the individual switch then click the application list. You will need to make your own bracket to mount this switch. I also epoxied a 1/2" diameter Plexiglas disc to the brake pedal so the switch button has a good flat contact area to hit. The wires for the brake lights are at the left kick panel. I put in a parallel circuit for the new switch. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cliff Alexander Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 12:34 AM To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] Brake light switch All-- I was informed a couple of weeks ago that I might not have brake lights (thanks Patrick). After I got home I found that the brake lights worked but I had to press the pedal pretty hard. If I was coasting up to a stop and not pressing the pedal very hard the lights would not come on. I know that there were some messages a while back that mentioned some specific switches and the cars they came from. Could someone please re-post the car(s) make and model? Thanks Cliff _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.3/1787 - Release Date: 11/14/2008 8:32 AM From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Sat Nov 15 11:52:00 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:52:00 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] need some advice - non tiger Message-ID: <39a841b0811151052x6c412c98r29cbf3ff5f0c048d@mail.gmail.com> ok guys - i'm consulting the tiger list because i know how much expertise is here. sorry if that irritates anyone! i was changing the timing chains and tensioners on my jaguar XJR v8 when i accidentally sheared a 6mm bolt that holds a water elbow to the heads. the bolt is steel - the head aluminum. that was my first mistake. i tried penetrating oil, heat, shock, vice grips, cutting a slot in it and nothing worked. so i carefully got a centre punch in it started drilling it out with a right angle drill attachment. then came my second big mistake... the small drill bit snapped of about halfway though. now i've tried a larger bit and a masonry bit but nothing budges this very thin bit. my plan now it to get hold of some solid carbide bits and, taking it slow, try and drill it out with that. failing that i suppose i can tap a couple of small threads on each side of it. any advice before i make it even worse? From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sat Nov 15 12:19:14 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:19:14 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] need some advice - non tiger In-Reply-To: <39a841b0811151052x6c412c98r29cbf3ff5f0c048d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Owain The biggest problem with a steel bolt in an aluminum head is getting the bolt really hot with the aluminum sucking the heat away. I have come across a couple of solutions neither of which I have ever done but maybe of promise. Heat the bolt up well and let candle wax melt onto the bolt and into the threads. Wax supposedly works better than penetrating oil. If there is enough bolt sticking out; weld a nut to it. The heat from welding will penetrate the bolt and the nut will give you something to turn. You need welding equipment for this one. Not sure if either of these are of any help to you. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:52 PM To: tiger email list Subject: [Tigers] need some advice - non tiger ok guys - i'm consulting the tiger list because i know how much expertise is here. sorry if that irritates anyone! i was changing the timing chains and tensioners on my jaguar XJR v8 when i accidentally sheared a 6mm bolt that holds a water elbow to the heads. the bolt is steel - the head aluminum. that was my first mistake. i tried penetrating oil, heat, shock, vice grips, cutting a slot in it and nothing worked. so i carefully got a centre punch in it started drilling it out with a right angle drill attachment. then came my second big mistake... the small drill bit snapped of about halfway though. now i've tried a larger bit and a masonry bit but nothing budges this very thin bit. my plan now it to get hold of some solid carbide bits and, taking it slow, try and drill it out with that. failing that i suppose i can tap a couple of small threads on each side of it. any advice before i make it even worse? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1790 - Release Date: 11/15/2008 9:32 AM From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sat Nov 15 12:44:03 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:44:03 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] proper engine color In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2E155C7D185343F9A2CDF49BBE29D37E@ronpc1> I have been looking at Tiger engines with respect to the Ford part numbers and ID tags. Here a few interesting tidbits or at least they're interesting to me. My F21KA engine has a higher Rootes number than several B19KC engines which are in the next order group of engines. This leads me to believe that the F21KA engines and part of the B19KC engines order were build during the same time frame, early 1965. These engines were shipped to England together and that each engine was tagged specifically F21KA or B19KC. The mix of engines occurred at Rootes receiving dock where they were consecutively numbered and accounted for as they were unloaded and thus the seemingly out of order number sequence. I believe all these engines were cast in Dec 1964 between Christmas and New Years. I believe the remaining B19KC engines were all cast around July 20, 1965 and assembled in Oct 1965. It would be interesting to understand when the C5OE-D intake manifold was first installed. One of us probably has the last B19KC engine built to 1965 specifications, that is prior to Aug 1965. One of us probably has the last B19KC and last 260 engine ever built by Ford. I have no idea if I can find answers to any of this but I'm willing to try so I need everyone's help. I would like to look at this Ford information from the beginning of the MK I to the end of the MK II Tiger production. You can help with this by sending me offline any of the following information you readily know or can easily find; Tiger Vin # Rootes engine # Ex: 5135 F21KA Block casting # This # and the casting date are above the starter; if you know the # fine, don't strain yourself here for this number Ex: C4OE-6015E Block casting date Ex: 4M23 Intake manifold casting # This # is up top, front on the intake manifold Ex: C4OE-9425 Intake manifold casting date This # is near the casting # to the front of intake EX: 4G8 Ford engine ID tag information; please include all numbers on this small aluminum tag located on the intake manifold if you have one Engine build date code On Engine block, drivers side just above 1 water pump bolt on a machined surface near head Ex: 5A18B Color of the engine block especially important for B19KC engine series EX: Black Thank You for your help Ron Fraser From srwick at hotmail.com Sat Nov 15 16:23:09 2008 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:23:09 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] need some advice - non tiger In-Reply-To: <39a841b0811151052x6c412c98r29cbf3ff5f0c048d@mail.gmail.com> References: <39a841b0811151052x6c412c98r29cbf3ff5f0c048d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I had a bolt broke off in a block I was rebuilding. The engine builder took it to someone with a laser cutter and cut the broken piece out, then they helicoiled the hole. I don't know how well it would work with aluminum, but it's at least worth asking about. You'd have to pull the head of course. Steve (in N.Id.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Owain Lloyd To: tiger email list Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 10:52 AM Subject: [Tigers] need some advice - non tiger ok guys - i'm consulting the tiger list because i know how much expertise is here. sorry if that irritates anyone! i was changing the timing chains and tensioners on my jaguar XJR v8 when i accidentally sheared a 6mm bolt that holds a water elbow to the heads. the bolt is steel - the head aluminum. that was my first mistake. i tried penetrating oil, heat, shock, vice grips, cutting a slot in it and nothing worked. so i carefully got a centre punch in it started drilling it out with a right angle drill attachment. then came my second big mistake... the small drill bit snapped of about halfway though. now i've tried a larger bit and a masonry bit but nothing budges this very thin bit. my plan now it to get hold of some solid carbide bits and, taking it slow, try and drill it out with that. failing that i suppose i can tap a couple of small threads on each side of it. any advice before i make it even worse? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Sat Nov 15 16:26:08 2008 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:26:08 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] FW: need some advice - non tiger Message-ID: Owain, Helluva predicament to be in! To get the small drill bit out, you might try diamond-tipped grinding shanks. I got mine from Harbor Freight Tools - they are 1/8 inch in diameter. There are 20 to the package with various shapes on the end. You use them in a Dremel tool. Use either a ball end or barrel end - just watch the temp. so it doesn't get too hot. It'll be slow going, but may work. It's about the only thing I can think of that will cut a drill bit. If you are free handing the drilling, it will be very hard to keep the drill dead center all the way out the other end of the bolt; however, if you could actually drill it, then keep going up on the size until you get to the tap size drill (either a 5mm or a #9 inch drill or a 13/64 drill). Carefully clean out the threads, using a 6-1.00mm tap. If you can weld a nut on the end, as Ron F. suggested, I would try to apply a small piece of dry ice to the head to shrink the bolt just enough to release it from the aluminum. If done immediately after welding, this may help in making the weld stronger because of "heat treating." Otherwise, the weld will be soft (annealed) and will snap off easily. Another type of "cooling" would be to use a can of "freeze," used by the "electronics guys." This cooling has to be done immediately after the nut is welded while still red hot. Another way (and this one isn't what you want to hear) is to remove the head and take it to a machine shop. This is why it is always important to use anti-seize when bolting into aluminum. I hope some of this helps. Good luck Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 12:52 PM To: tiger email list Subject: [Tigers] need some advice - non tiger ok guys - i'm consulting the tiger list because i know how much expertise is here. sorry if that irritates anyone! i was changing the timing chains and tensioners on my jaguar XJR v8 when i accidentally sheared a 6mm bolt that holds a water elbow to the heads. the bolt is steel - the head aluminum. that was my first mistake. i tried penetrating oil, heat, shock, vice grips, cutting a slot in it and nothing worked. so i carefully got a centre punch in it started drilling it out with a right angle drill attachment. then came my second big mistake... the small drill bit snapped of about halfway though. now i've tried a larger bit and a masonry bit but nothing budges this very thin bit. my plan now it to get hold of some solid carbide bits and, taking it slow, try and drill it out with that. failing that i suppose i can tap a couple of small threads on each side of it. any advice before i make it even worse? Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From vesselofgrace at hotmail.com Sun Nov 16 00:09:48 2008 From: vesselofgrace at hotmail.com (Nathan Johnson) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:09:48 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] MSD wire set Message-ID: Can anyone recommend which MSD wire set has the correct length wires for a 289 but has standard 90 degree (non-socket) ends for both the distributor and the spark plug end? _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_faster_1 12008 From sganz at pacbell.net Sun Nov 16 09:00:48 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:00:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] MSD wire set Message-ID: <139755.7231.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Many wire sets have both terminals for the cap, but you often have to look at the universal sets instead of specific applications. I think the Taylor 409 had old style and new style (HEI towers ) in 90 for the distributor ends. The sparkplug end is always the one is easy to find. Not sure if your car has headers or not but I have found the 135 angle on the sparkplug ends a good option (This was on my early mustang). Hit a couple of the sites directly them may show package contents (MSD, Taylor) or have a better description. Also MSD Tech support usually respondes witnin a day or so if you have specific questions and have been helpful in the past for me Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Nathan Johnson To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 11:09:48 PM Subject: [Tigers] MSD wire set Can anyone recommend which MSD wire set has the correct length wires for a 289 but has standard 90 degree (non-socket) ends for both the distributor and the spark plug end? _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_faster_1 12008 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From dave at munroe.ca Sun Nov 16 10:17:54 2008 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 13:17:54 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] MSD wire set In-Reply-To: <139755.7231.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <139755.7231.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Nathan; I recently purchased an MSD distributor, and it came with an HEI style cap that required 90 deg caps on the dizzy end. I had Taylor 8mm wires made for a 289 Mustang on my car with ends for the old distributor that wouldn't fit. The wires also were quite a bit too long for the Tiger. I bought the distributor from Summit, and when I duiscussed this with the order guy, he put me onto an MSD wire end kit with nine caps. It was relatively inexpensive at around $15.00, and like all MSD stuff, these were very high quality caps. So having new caps gave me the opportunity to "custom cut" my wires to the exact length. So buy a set of wires that has the spark plug caps you want, and get one of these 90 deg MSD dizzy end kits for $15. and cut your wires to make them fit perfectly. It worked for me! Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Ganz" To: "Nathan Johnson" ; Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] MSD wire set > Many wire sets have both terminals for the cap, but you often have to look > at > the universal sets instead of specific applications. I think the Taylor > 409 > had old style and new style (HEI towers ) in 90 for the distributor ends. > The > sparkplug end is always the one is easy to find. Not sure if your car has > headers or not but I have found the 135 angle on the sparkplug ends a good > option (This was on my early mustang). Hit a couple of the sites directly > them > may show package contents (MSD, Taylor) or have a better description. Also > MSD > Tech support usually respondes witnin a day or so if you have specific > questions and have been helpful in the past for me > > Sandy From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Sun Nov 16 10:17:54 2008 From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:17:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Tigers] Thanks from San Diego Message-ID: <8323591.1226855874984.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Dear California Listers, Thanks so much for helping Fred - This came last night... Best, Rick Feibusch BritishCarNetwork Venice, California Sign up for the online newsletter today - BritishCarNetwork at gmail.com *********************************************** >From Fred Puhn: Rick, Thanks very much for you and the gang supplying help. We visited Smitty today and he helped us complete our project. We got all the required information and he sold us all the parts needed. Thanks again! Fred -----Original Message----- From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net [mailto:rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:35 AM To: alpines at autox.team.net; tigers at autox.team.net; british-cars at autox.team.net Cc: Fred Puhn Subject: Alpine help needed in San Diego, CA Gang, One of my readers in San Diego is working on a special - he just wants to look - Anyone out there be able to help.... Thanks, Rick Feibusch Venice, CA --------------------------------------------------- From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Sun Nov 16 10:34:16 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:34:16 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] need some advice - non tiger In-Reply-To: <39a841b0811151052x6c412c98r29cbf3ff5f0c048d@mail.gmail.com> References: <39a841b0811151052x6c412c98r29cbf3ff5f0c048d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0811160934g63f9ec85je6def6129364716@mail.gmail.com> many thanks indeed for all of you who took the time to respond to me on this issue. unfortunately there was none of the bolt remaining (after my failed previous attempts!) to weld a nut onto and the car was sitting outside the garage making things even more complicated. to cut a long (very long) story short, i used a dremel with a chainsaw sharpening bit at 30,000rpm for about an hour which cut through the broken drill bit and the steel bolt. amazingly, it did not damage the aluminum and i was able to clean the hole with a drill and re tap it to the original 6mm size. even more amazingly the hole was still aligned and the water manifold bolted right up. i also tried a diamond bit and a silicon carbide bit with less success. the drill bit was a cheapo titanium nitride plated 1/16" bit from harbour freight. i must admit, for the price, those bits hold up amazingly well without needing sharpening. - owain. On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > ok guys - i'm consulting the tiger list because i know how much > expertise is here. sorry if that irritates anyone! > > i was changing the timing chains and tensioners on my jaguar XJR v8 > when i accidentally sheared a 6mm bolt that holds a water elbow to the > heads. the bolt is steel - the head aluminum. that was my first > mistake. i tried penetrating oil, heat, shock, vice grips, cutting a > slot in it and nothing worked. so i carefully got a centre punch in > it started drilling it out with a right angle drill attachment. then > came my second big mistake... the small drill bit snapped of about > halfway though. now i've tried a larger bit and a masonry bit but > nothing budges this very thin bit. > > my plan now it to get hold of some solid carbide bits and, taking it > slow, try and drill it out with that. failing that i suppose i can > tap a couple of small threads on each side of it. > > any advice before i make it even worse? From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Sun Nov 16 10:42:31 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:42:31 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] new brake pictures Message-ID: <39a841b0811160942o5c6c9b2dhcbebb0ada61dc558@mail.gmail.com> now for the happy news! i thought some of you might appreciate seeing the Hoppers Stoppers front brake kit that just arrived. i've not got round to installing it yet (been too busy with a dremel!) but here are some pictures of the kit. it comes with CNC machined steel hubs, bearings and seals, pads, calipers (red, yellow or black), vented rotors (slotted, drilled or plain), hoses and all the brackets and hardware. you can specify any track change you want or keep it stock. http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/hoppersStoppers/jalbum.html click on the thumbnails to view each image. From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sun Nov 16 11:54:06 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:54:06 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] new brake pictures In-Reply-To: <39a841b0811160942o5c6c9b2dhcbebb0ada61dc558@mail.gmail.com> References: <39a841b0811160942o5c6c9b2dhcbebb0ada61dc558@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49206C4E.8070708@SoCal.rr.com> Owain, Great looking brake systems. The web-site referenced states: "Wheel Sizes 300mm (12-inch) rotor kits usually require minimum 15-inch wheels, and 330mm (13-inch) kits usually need 17-inch although some 16-inch may fit." Are you using 15" or 17" wheels? Are there US Distributors? Do they have conversion kits for rear disc brakes, and parking brake (I hesitate to call them "Emergency Brakes") Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Owain Lloyd wrote: > now for the happy news! > > i thought some of you might appreciate seeing the Hoppers Stoppers > front brake kit that just arrived. i've not got round to installing > it yet (been too busy with a dremel!) but here are some pictures of > the kit. it comes with CNC machined steel hubs, bearings and seals, > pads, calipers (red, yellow or black), vented rotors (slotted, drilled > or plain), hoses and all the brackets and hardware. you can specify > any track change you want or keep it stock. > > http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/hoppersStoppers/jalbum.html > > click on the thumbnails to view each image. From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Sun Nov 16 12:00:36 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:00:36 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] new brake pictures In-Reply-To: <49206C4E.8070708@SoCal.rr.com> References: <39a841b0811160942o5c6c9b2dhcbebb0ada61dc558@mail.gmail.com> <49206C4E.8070708@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0811161100g4c9baac5lc0481c8a17958928@mail.gmail.com> I think they do do rear kits with "hand brakes" but I already have dales rear kit with mustang calipers. I have 16" wheels but they fit 15 too. They also do smaller rotors I think. No us distributors (they're basically custom made) but I paid well under 1000 US for all that stuff including air shipping from australia to uk (which was 350 aus dollars). Michael king told me about them and pointed out the cheap aus dollar - cheers michael! On 11/16/08, Steve Laifman wrote: > Owain, > > Great looking brake systems. The web-site referenced states: > > "Wheel Sizes > 300mm (12-inch) rotor kits usually require minimum 15-inch wheels, and > 330mm (13-inch) kits usually need 17-inch although some 16-inch may fit." > > Are you using 15" or 17" wheels? > > Are there US Distributors? > > Do they have conversion kits for rear disc brakes, and parking brake (I > hesitate to call them "Emergency Brakes") > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > > Owain Lloyd wrote: >> now for the happy news! >> >> i thought some of you might appreciate seeing the Hoppers Stoppers >> front brake kit that just arrived. i've not got round to installing >> it yet (been too busy with a dremel!) but here are some pictures of >> the kit. it comes with CNC machined steel hubs, bearings and seals, >> pads, calipers (red, yellow or black), vented rotors (slotted, drilled >> or plain), hoses and all the brackets and hardware. you can specify >> any track change you want or keep it stock. >> >> http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/hoppersStoppers/jalbum.html >> >> click on the thumbnails to view each image. From harryb at elams.org Sun Nov 16 18:38:49 2008 From: harryb at elams.org (Harry B. Elam) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:38:49 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] TAC@Doug Jennings Message-ID: <4920CB29.9040001@elams.org> Mark, Early selection of a date would be helpful. If there are no other local junior guys available I will make every effort to be there. I would even work toward becoming a senior if that can be arranged. Harry Elam TAC Junior # 37 From choffman9 at cinci.rr.com Sun Nov 16 19:41:09 2008 From: choffman9 at cinci.rr.com (Curt) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:41:09 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] new brake pictures References: <39a841b0811160942o5c6c9b2dhcbebb0ada61dc558@mail.gmail.com><49206C4E.8070708@SoCal.rr.com> <39a841b0811161100g4c9baac5lc0481c8a17958928@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5FF7946EAC6043308388C65DD9256A31@HomeComputer> I didn't see a listing for Tigers on there. Did you work with them for a custom installation? Curt From hokey at oasisol.com Sun Nov 16 22:12:50 2008 From: hokey at oasisol.com (Mike Hokanson) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:12:50 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Front Suspension Message-ID: <005f01c94873$23124a90$44030a0a@iggy> I've rec'd e-mail concerning the rumor from a couple of Tiger owners that I might be ceasing the fabrication of the custom IFS units that bolt into the Tiger. Yes, the rumor is true. Due to my other projects and upcoming priorities, it appears I will shut down the project here in the very near future. I figured I'd confirm the rumor and send notice to the list to reach as many Tiger owners as possible instead of contacting each person individually. If anyone wants a unit built that resides in the lower 48 States, you need to contact me directly to work out the details as soon as possible. I have stayed extremely busy throughout the development of the project and it has consumed an enormous amount of time. I won't have as much time to dedicate to the fabrication of the units here in the near future. To answer the question already asked, the jigs, patterns and templates are not for sale and they will be retained for my own cars. Best means of contact is through e-mail, which is also located on the website. I will finish off the run of units on a first-come, first-serve basis. Mike Hokanson Toyzjunkie.com hokey at oasisol.com From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 01:41:17 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:41:17 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] new brake pictures In-Reply-To: <5FF7946EAC6043308388C65DD9256A31@HomeComputer> References: <39a841b0811160942o5c6c9b2dhcbebb0ada61dc558@mail.gmail.com> <49206C4E.8070708@SoCal.rr.com> <39a841b0811161100g4c9baac5lc0481c8a17958928@mail.gmail.com> <5FF7946EAC6043308388C65DD9256A31@HomeComputer> Message-ID: <39a841b0811170041y6145deadt84619760a42cb85b@mail.gmail.com> its not listed but as they had previously custom engineered one for someone they offered it with me only confirming my track change and specifying the clearance i needed for the mgb steering arms. i guess its not something they plan on producing much so its not worth listing on the website but they do keep all the specs to reproduce it. On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Curt wrote: > I didn't see a listing for Tigers on there. Did you work with them for a > custom installation? > > Curt > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From awtiger at cox.net Mon Nov 17 07:25:38 2008 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 9:25:38 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Anyone in or around Erie, PA??? Message-ID: <20081117092538.Q9TQP.154159.imail@eastrmwml32> Hey, fellas: If there is anyone in or around the area of Erie, PA who wouldn't mind laying a set of educated eyeballs on a car for me, please drop me a line. I know this is a little off topic for our lists, but I used to have a '65 Ford Falcon Sedan Delivery and I've kicked myself in the butt ever since I sold it. Well, there is one that has come up for sale on Ebay and, being in Oklahoma, it's way too far for me to look at. It is supposedly fairly rusty but, according to the door tag, it is an exact duplicate of my old car!! Is there anyone out there who wouldn't mind checking this out for me and giving me an educated report on what I'd be getting myself into? I'd cover your gas expenses and your time as well. Please let me know!! Thanks much, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX From Rollright at aol.com Mon Nov 17 08:25:02 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:25:02 EST Subject: [Tigers] big rubber gas-tank filler tube Message-ID: Hello, Each time I fill my Tiger to the max and then go around a left corner, a strong smell of gas emanates from the rear of the car so you can smell it distinctly even when driving with the top down. So, I bought from SS a new big honking rubber tube (with little tube off the side) to replace the original (I'm assuming this is the cause, old and cracked I suppose). But......when I pulled the trunk side panel, it is not obvious how to best approach this replacement. Many others must have done this before, says I. Especially in rubber eating California. Is there a hot (maybe easy) way to replace this part? Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Nov 17 08:56:31 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:56:31 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] big rubber gas-tank filler tube In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <303F212478BA409EAD69801F9529B4AF@ronpc1> Jim Seems to me the easiest way is to: 1 remove the 4 screws that hold the filler cap assembly to the body 2 loosen all the hose clamps 3 remove the small hose 4 twist and pull the filler cap assembly up and off the body 5 twist and pull the rubber fill neck up off the tank 6 inspect and clean any parts as needed You may need a hook type tool to loose the grip of the rubber to the fill cap assembly and the tank. Inspect the small hose for cracks just in case it needs replacement or a short section cut off. Use a small amount of silicon grease to help installation of the new rubber fill neck if needed. Note to all: if fuel drips out the drivers side fuel tank; the gasket for the fuel sender is bad or the fuel sender hold down ring is not tight. This assumes that the fuel tank is sound. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 10:25 AM To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] big rubber gas-tank filler tube Hello, Each time I fill my Tiger to the max and then go around a left corner, a strong smell of gas emanates from the rear of the car so you can smell it distinctly even when driving with the top down. So, I bought from SS a new big honking rubber tube (with little tube off the side) to replace the original (I'm assuming this is the cause, old and cracked I suppose). But......when I pulled the trunk side panel, it is not obvious how to best approach this replacement. Many others must have done this before, says I. Especially in rubber eating California. Is there a hot (maybe easy) way to replace this part? Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redi r=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1793 - Release Date: 11/16/2008 7:58 PM From Rollright at aol.com Mon Nov 17 09:01:00 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:01:00 EST Subject: [Tigers] big rubber gas-tank filler tube Message-ID: Thanks Ron That's exactly what I needed Jim Armstrong In a message dated 11/17/2008 10:57:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rfraser at bluefrog.com writes: Jim Seems to me the easiest way is to: 1 remove the 4 screws that hold the filler cap assembly to the body 2 loosen all the hose clamps 3 remove the small hose 4 twist and pull the filler cap assembly up and off the body 5 twist and pull the rubber fill neck up off the tank 6 inspect and clean any parts as needed You may need a hook type tool to loose the grip of the rubber to the fill cap assembly and the tank. Inspect the small hose for cracks just in case it needs replacement or a short section cut off. Use a small amount of silicon grease to help installation of the new rubber fill neck if needed. Note to all: if fuel drips out the drivers side fuel tank; the gasket for the fuel sender is bad or the fuel sender hold down ring is not tight. This assumes that the fuel tank is sound. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 10:25 AM To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] big rubber gas-tank filler tube Hello, Each time I fill my Tiger to the max and then go around a left corner, a strong smell of gas emanates from the rear of the car so you can smell it distinctly even when driving with the top down. So, I bought from SS a new big honking rubber tube (with little tube off the side) to replace the original (I'm assuming this is the cause, old and cracked I suppose). But......when I pulled the trunk side panel, it is not obvious how to best approach this replacement. Many others must have done this before, says I. Especially in rubber eating California. Is there a hot (maybe easy) way to replace this part? Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redi r=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1793 - Release Date: 11/16/2008 7:58 PM **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) From Rollright at aol.com Mon Nov 17 09:02:37 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:02:37 EST Subject: [Tigers] big rubber gas-tank filler tube Message-ID: Thanks, Mark I'll definitely replace that crossover tube also Jim Armstrong In a message dated 11/17/2008 10:33:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Cool VT writes: It could be the small cross over hose that is bad also. I would replace it just in case...pretty cheap at any auto parts store. You will have to remove both side panels and connect the new and old hose (different means of doing so) and pull the new one through. As far as replacing the main filler pipe I would remove the gas cap first...I think it's 2 or 3 screws under the flip cap. With that removed you should be able to remove the clamps holding everything on. Put back together starting at the bottom. I would also replace the clamps while you're at it. Finally, if your trunk tends to close when you bump it, I would find a way to secure it while you work. And, don't ask how I know this:-) Mark L ____________________________________ _Get the Moviefone Toolbar_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=http://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=e mlcntusdown00000001) . Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more! **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Nov 17 09:18:30 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:18:30 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] big rubber gas-tank filler tube References: <303F212478BA409EAD69801F9529B4AF@ronpc1> Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F462@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser > Sent: November 17, 2008 8:57 AM > To: Rollright at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] big rubber gas-tank filler tube > > Jim > Seems to me the easiest way is to: > > Inspect the small hose for cracks just in case it needs > replacement or a short section cut off. ... Also inspect the small hose for drill holes left by Lift-the-Dot stud installation. ;) -Theo From dave at munroe.ca Mon Nov 17 09:28:02 2008 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:28:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] big rubber gas-tank filler tube In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01169D9B8C10457A945DF46BE9A73AD0@DavePC> All good advice as usual from the Tiger list gurus. But here's a trick from my motorcycle wrenching days for removing rubber parts. (There are lots of rubber tubes that need separating from their metal counterparts on bikes.....for example footpeg rubbers, handlebar grips, etc.) Get a can of "Spark Plug and Contact Cleaner" from your nearest bike dealer. (Not brake cleaner - its not the same thing!) Slide a thin screwdriver blade down between the rubber tube and the metal part - slip the long spray tube down beside the screwdriver and give 'er a squirt. Pull the screwdriver out, twist the rubber a bit and presto, off it comes. This cleaner is extremely volatile, so it evaporates almost instantly, leaving all the parts as they were. It also works well when installing the new part. When the cleaner evaporates, it leaves the rubber stuck securely until the next time. This can of magic elixir is good for all manner of corrective procedures - like removing grease from the living room carpet ( ask me how I know...) also your suit pants and shirt (what are you doing in the garage with your suit on!!!) cleaning oil drips from your patio bricks and concrete, not to mention cleaning the points on your concours original distributor. Never bothered much with the spark plugs though... The problem with silicone and similar lubricants is that they stay slippery, making long-term security of the joint uncertain. (Really not good when a handgrip comes off a motorcycle in a particularly physical maneuver!) Dave ps Don't breathe the stuff or get it on your hands. Anything that works this good can't be good for you! ---- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] big rubber gas-tank filler tube > Thanks, Mark > > I'll definitely replace that crossover tube also > > Jim Armstrong > > > In a message dated 11/17/2008 10:33:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Cool VT > writes: > > It could be the small cross over hose that is bad also. I would replace > it > just in case...pretty cheap at any auto parts store. You will have to > remove > both side panels and connect the new and old hose (different means of > doing > so) and pull the new one through. > As far as replacing the main filler pipe I would remove the gas cap > first...I think it's 2 or 3 screws under the flip cap. With that removed > you should > be able to remove the clamps holding everything on. Put back together > starting at the bottom. I would also replace the clamps while you're at > it. > Finally, if your trunk tends to close when you bump it, I would find a > way > to secure it while you work. And, don't ask how I know this:-) > Mark L > > > > > ____________________________________ > _Get the Moviefone Toolbar_ > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=http://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=e > mlcntusdown00000001) . Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more! > > > **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & > more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt > p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From Rollright at aol.com Mon Nov 17 09:31:39 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:31:39 EST Subject: [Tigers] big rubber gas-tank filler tube Message-ID: Cute, Theo real cute BTW: I arranged to have a friend from Blackburn pick some up from Wollies at the Birmingham Classic Show last weekend. They are unobtainium (the double long stud with machine screw bottoms) in our country. Jim A In a message dated 11/17/2008 11:18:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Theo.Smit at dynastream.com writes: > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser > Sent: November 17, 2008 8:57 AM > To: Rollright at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] big rubber gas-tank filler tube > > Jim > Seems to me the easiest way is to: > > Inspect the small hose for cracks just in case it needs > replacement or a short section cut off. ... Also inspect the small hose for drill holes left by Lift-the-Dot stud installation. ;) -Theo **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) From DJoh797014 at aol.com Mon Nov 17 17:18:24 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:18:24 EST Subject: [Tigers] big rubber gas-tank filler tube Message-ID: Life is easierr you pull the boot spring. I just pulled my tanks two weeks ago and its simple Spring removal. 1. Use a broom to hood up one side of the boot lid. 2. Note the hole that the front of the spring is in. 3. Undo the two bolts holding the boot arm to the lid. Hold unto it so it doesn't rotate and hit the paint. 4. Rotate the arms down and remove the sprint from the hook on the arm. Now you can get to the top of the gas tank. Consider removing your tanks and have them coated. Dave. In a message dated 11/17/2008 9:57:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, rfraser at bluefrog.com writes: Jim Seems to me the easiest way is to: 1 remove the 4 screws that hold the filler cap assembly to the body 2 loosen all the hose clamps 3 remove the small hose 4 twist and pull the filler cap assembly up and off the body 5 twist and pull the rubber fill neck up off the tank 6 inspect and clean any parts as needed You may need a hook type tool to loose the grip of the rubber to the fill cap assembly and the tank. Inspect the small hose for cracks just in case it needs replacement or a short section cut off. Use a small amount of silicon grease to help installation of the new rubber fill neck if needed. Note to all: if fuel drips out the drivers side fuel tank; the gasket for the fuel sender is bad or the fuel sender hold down ring is not tight. This assumes that the fuel tank is sound. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 10:25 AM To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] big rubber gas-tank filler tube Hello, Each time I fill my Tiger to the max and then go around a left corner, a strong smell of gas emanates from the rear of the car so you can smell it distinctly even when driving with the top down. So, I bought from SS a new big honking rubber tube (with little tube off the side) to replace the original (I'm assuming this is the cause, old and cracked I suppose). But......when I pulled the trunk side panel, it is not obvious how to best approach this replacement. Many others must have done this before, says I. Especially in rubber eating California. Is there a hot (maybe easy) way to replace this part? Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redi r=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1793 - Release Date: 11/16/2008 7:58 PM Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) From tigerlat70 at comcast.net Mon Nov 17 20:08:01 2008 From: tigerlat70 at comcast.net (Steve Coleman) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:08:01 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Non Tiger, But this looks Fun Message-ID: <00fd01c9492a$de2f5db0$d3a78218@stevesdell> STOA use to do autocross at Marina ,CA this looks like the airport sort of, after watching this, could you see yourself doing this in your Tiger....stress on Ackerman angle? :) Good driver, practice a lot. Maybe a new event at Tigers United :) http://video.kenblockracing.com/flash/small_player/preloader.swf?vendor_id=2 04&media_id=9183&bgcolor=FFFFFF&autoplay=0 About Gymkhana http://www.gymkhanausa.com/what_is_gymkhana.html From mk1a67 at gmail.com Mon Nov 17 22:18:46 2008 From: mk1a67 at gmail.com (Cliff Alexander) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:18:46 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Brake light switch In-Reply-To: <2CC788D1029D44398ECF4C6B35146A80@ronpc1> References: <8abbe6e00811142134n60adf190y26b5d4c610992e51@mail.gmail.com> <2CC788D1029D44398ECF4C6B35146A80@ronpc1> Message-ID: <8abbe6e00811172118y75878f8fpe562b0997a5e7e9@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for everyones ideas. The knowledge on the list is amazing. Cliff On 11/15/08, Ron Fraser wrote: > > Cliff > This is a common problem with hydraulic brake switches. I went to > an electrical switch at the brake pedal for the safety factor and I also > need it for the cruise control I put into My Tiger. > > I'm using a brake light switch from a 1991 Ford Escort. The switch > has too much internal spring force on the button which will over power the > spring on the brake pedal and make the switch be ON all the time. You can > carefully take the switch apart and remove 1 of the internal springs to > make > it work correctly. > > > http://www.autozone.com/R,974262/vehicleId,1608002/initialAction,partProduct > Detail/store,2947/partType,00132/shopping/partProductDetail.htm > > This switch is use on all Ford Escorts 1991 - 2002 and a number of other > vehicles including many Mazda vehicles; if you check on the Advance Auto > web > site you will find a listing for all vehicle applications for the switch. > First pull up the individual switch then click the application list. > > You will need to make your own bracket to mount this switch. I also > epoxied > a 1/2" diameter Plexiglas disc to the brake pedal so the switch button has > a > good flat contact area to hit. The wires for the brake lights are at the > left kick panel. > I put in a parallel circuit for the new switch. > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Cliff Alexander > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 12:34 AM > To: Tiger List > Subject: [Tigers] Brake light switch > > > All-- I was informed a couple of weeks ago that I might not have brake > lights (thanks Patrick). After I got home I found that the brake lights > worked but I had to press the pedal pretty hard. If I was coasting up to a > stop and not pressing the pedal very hard the lights would not come on. > I know that there were some messages a while back that mentioned some > specific switches and the cars they came from. Could someone please re-post > the car(s) make and model? > Thanks Cliff _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.3/1787 - Release Date: 11/14/2008 > 8:32 AM From mrlau at charter.net Tue Nov 18 06:23:25 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:23:25 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Non Tiger, But this looks Fun In-Reply-To: <00fd01c9492a$de2f5db0$d3a78218@stevesdell> Message-ID: <20081118132328.PUAE128.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> It looks like the length of the course is probably based on how long a set of tires last. -- Bill -- STOA use to do autocross at Marina ,CA this looks like the airport sort of, after watching this, could you see yourself doing this in your Tiger....stress on Ackerman angle? :) Good driver, practice a lot. Maybe a new event at Tigers United :) http://video.kenblockracing.com/flash/small_player/preloader.swf?vendor_id=2 04&media_id=9183&bgcolor=FFFFFF&autoplay=0 About Gymkhana http://www.gymkhanausa.com/what_is_gymkhana.html _______________________________________________ From vegaslegal at aol.com Tue Nov 18 09:45:24 2008 From: vegaslegal at aol.com (vegaslegal at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:45:24 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Window Frame Message-ID: <8CB17B42FEE6723-2A4-8BB@FWM-M42.sysops.aol.com> Putting the car back together after new paint.? Yanked the window frame before paint, pulled the glass, and installed new gasket around the glass.? Super pain in the 'you know what.' Now the bottom of the frame doesn't match the original layout.? Its about two inches down and back at the center from where it's supposed to be.? As near as I can figure, when the frame gets set back onto the body this will necessarily straighten out, but there will be a huge problem in getting the rubber to seat to the bottom of the glass.? Is there an easy method to this madness?? Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks. Bob Nersesian 382000975 From fabbro at shaw.ca Tue Nov 18 11:03:31 2008 From: fabbro at shaw.ca (Fabbro) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:03:31 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Dana 44 Bearings and seal numbers Message-ID: <584B8FCA9CB24A6592947791643B5545@fabbro> Hi All' The 1965 Tiger I am working on has a Dana 44 rear end with 3.72 gears in it. I plan to replace them with some thing in the lower 3 range. It has a good posi unit in it. I plan to purchase new bearings and seals for the rear end housing. Can any one that has done this forward some bearing and seal numbers my way so I can orders them from one of my suppliers. I like to take it apart, clean it up and assemble all in one day with no running for parts. Thanks Kim From fabbro at shaw.ca Tue Nov 18 11:08:17 2008 From: fabbro at shaw.ca (Fabbro) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:08:17 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Max brake drum ID? Message-ID: Hi Again I can not find in the manual the maximum ID of a brake drum after it has been turned so we do not go to thin. Same with the brake rotor thickness. What are the safe specifications for the ID and thickness of these brake components? Best Regards Kim From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Tue Nov 18 13:50:53 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:50:53 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Non Tiger, But this looks Fun In-Reply-To: <00fd01c9492a$de2f5db0$d3a78218@stevesdell> References: <00fd01c9492a$de2f5db0$d3a78218@stevesdell> Message-ID: <49232AAD.4040105@SoCal.rr.com> Steve, and Tigers, Back in the day, we held Gymkhana on Sunday in a mall parking lot across the street from the Farmer's Market (L.A.). They were actually closed Sundays, and there were no parking concrete stops. It was divided into a number of courses, and was very tight. Mostly members of the MG Car Club of America. I turned some award winning times. A good friend lent me his new 1954 Jag XK120M and I got an excellent run in a course designed for smaller cars. :-) Must have burned 5,000 miles of rubber in that one course. I bought one the next quarter. Example parking cone layout: Center O O Finish box O O O O O O O O O | O O O O O O O O Start box O O Figure "8" loops. TigersUnited XXII (?) Big Bear had a great course on a runway, with all the challenges connected. WOW! Well, I finished, anyway! Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Coleman wrote: > STOA use to do autocross at Marina ,CA this looks like the airport sort of, > after watching this, could you see yourself doing this in your > Tiger....stress on Ackerman angle? :) Good driver, practice a lot. > > Maybe a new event at Tigers United :) > > http://video.kenblockracing.com/flash/small_player/preloader.swf?vendor_id=2 > 04&media_id=9183&bgcolor=FFFFFF&autoplay=0 From atwittsend at verizon.net Tue Nov 18 13:55:33 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:55:33 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Max brake drum ID? References: Message-ID: Kim, Asked this many years ago. The answer is that there were no specifications. I found a local PepBoys with a British car enthusiast who was willing to turn my drums based on "looks like there is still some metal left." Typically they don't go over .060 as a general rule. So, that make be the default limit for most places. On the rotors I've heard everything from .425, .375 and even .310. I used the .375 number and got the same PepBoys to turn my rotors with my noting that I accepted them turning to what I set as the limit. I think they turned clean pretty close to .450. That said I'm sure others will disagree. I'm only telling you what I was able to do. When there is no standard all you will get are opinions - one of which is mine. Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.6/1797 - Release Date: 11/18/2008 11:23 AM From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Nov 18 14:36:17 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:36:17 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Dana 44 Bearings and seal numbers In-Reply-To: <584B8FCA9CB24A6592947791643B5545@fabbro> Message-ID: <6058ED9799A44C6A90409FE2EA734554@ronpc1> Kim TigersUnited web site has a parts manual with Dana part numbers listed. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/9-NF-RearAndRoa dWheels.pdf I have a note in mine that has a NO next to the Timken number so I'm not sure there. Sunbeam Specialties has the parts listed and I'm sure Classic Sunbeam has them too. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Fabbro Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 1:04 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Dana 44 Bearings and seal numbers Hi All' The 1965 Tiger I am working on has a Dana 44 rear end with 3.72 gears in it. I plan to replace them with some thing in the lower 3 range. It has a good posi unit in it. I plan to purchase new bearings and seals for the rear end housing. Can any one that has done this forward some bearing and seal numbers my way so I can orders them from one of my suppliers. I like to take it apart, clean it up and assemble all in one day with no running for parts. Thanks Kim No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.6/1797 - Release Date: 11/18/2008 11:23 AM From fabbro at shaw.ca Tue Nov 18 14:43:51 2008 From: fabbro at shaw.ca (Fabbro) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:43:51 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Max brake drum ID? Stock? Message-ID: <64FF1D3FE9C24DE88E7921CDB7BC3888@fabbro> If this is correct can any one give me a stock ID size for the drum and rotor thickness that I can refer to? Thanks Kim From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Tue Nov 18 14:47:08 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:47:08 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Max brake drum ID? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <492337DC.6050801@SoCal.rr.com> Tom, and Tigers Good you did it yourself, Tom. If you had a garage (or Pep Boys) install disc pads or drum shoes in California they MUST turn the rotors/drums if there are any scores in them. To be "safe" the turn them even if no scores. Enhances revenue, and reduces law suits. Luckily, I went to an old friend who was restores MG-TC's and is internationally known for this. He owned a brake shop. As he and I were once race car drivers, and he knew me back when he worked in a garage with Alan Moss and he and knew that light disc surface grooves wear the pads quickly to conform to the disc surface. IMHO, drums do need turning if the brake drum is deeply scored, or flared. Just like our legal pro Tigers, this is not a recommendation for you to follow. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Thomas Witt wrote: > Kim, > Asked this many years ago. The answer is that there were no > specifications. I found a local PepBoys with a British car enthusiast who > was willing to turn my drums based on "looks like there is still some metal > left." Typically they don't go over .060 as a general rule. So, that make > be the default limit for most places. > > On the rotors I've heard everything from .425, .375 and even .310. I used > the .375 number and got the same PepBoys to turn my rotors with my noting > that I accepted them turning to what I set as the limit. I think they > turned clean pretty close to .450. > > That said I'm sure others will disagree. I'm only telling you what I was > able to do. When there is no standard all you will get are opinions - one > of which is mine. > Tom From jaars at emailmv.com Tue Nov 18 14:59:12 2008 From: jaars at emailmv.com (Robert Jaarsma) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:59:12 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] big rubber gas-tank filler tube Message-ID: <18811D2127A4443592541FBDC8CAC685@userqlmt4f4s6s> Hi Jim, I had something very similar happening. Every time I accelerated a little aggressive I had that smell. Then when I parked once with the tanks just filled, on a hill with the drivers side down hill I had gas leaking all over. (Ask Steve Towle at the British meet at Prince Edwards Island) All it turned out to be was the rubber gasket under the gas gauge float unit, at the top of the drivers side tank. It could be your problem is just as simple. Robert From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Nov 18 15:18:29 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:18:29 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Max brake drum ID? Stock? In-Reply-To: <64FF1D3FE9C24DE88E7921CDB7BC3888@fabbro> Message-ID: Kim Stock Tiger Rotor is .5036" thick so .5" is probably the spec. Also I found these part #s for the rear axle in the 1977 STOA Tech Tip book: Axle cup = BCA 142776 cone = 14130 Inner seal = C/R 13175 Outer sea = C/R 19830 Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Fabbro Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:44 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Max brake drum ID? Stock? If this is correct can any one give me a stock ID size for the drum and rotor thickness that I can refer to? Thanks Kim No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.6/1797 - Release Date: 11/18/2008 11:23 AM From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Nov 18 16:17:54 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:17:54 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Max brake drum ID? Stock? In-Reply-To: <623783.91497.qm@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <517E76C130594A809CEA2D956EB546B2@ronpc1> Tony I believe so but I can't guarantee it, the tip states they are for the axle. There is also a typo BCA 14276 is correct I had this job done a number of years ago so I have 2 Timken bearing in front of me right now. 14130X 14276 Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: Tony Somebody [mailto:achd73 at yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 5:22 PM To: rfraser at bluefrog.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Max brake drum ID? Stock? Ron- The part numbers- are they for the axle behind the hub? Im needing those and was going to pull them BUT would rather buy them from my local bearing business- a friend runs it. Thanks for responding. Tony --- On Tue, 11/18/08, Ron Fraser wrote: > From: Ron Fraser > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Max brake drum ID? Stock? > To: "'Fabbro'" , tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 4:18 PM > Kim > Stock Tiger Rotor is .5036" thick so .5" is > probably the spec. > > Also I found these part #s for the rear axle in the 1977 > STOA Tech Tip book: > Axle cup = BCA 142776 > cone = 14130 > > Inner seal = C/R 13175 > Outer sea = C/R 19830 > > Ron Fraser > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Fabbro > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:44 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Max brake drum ID? Stock? > > > If this is correct can any one give me a stock ID size for the drum > and rotor thickness that I can refer to? Thanks Kim > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.6/1797 - Release > Date: 11/18/2008 > 11:23 AM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.6/1797 - Release Date: 11/18/2008 11:23 AM From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Nov 18 16:22:30 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:22:30 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Max brake drum ID? Stock? In-Reply-To: <517E76C130594A809CEA2D956EB546B2@ronpc1> Message-ID: <8C3FB4636C25450D84D647B7EB4DDE4B@ronpc1> Some day you just can' win There are 2 parts listed 14130X and 14276 This looked a bit confusing when I opened this email. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Fraser Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 6:18 PM To: achd73 at yahoo.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Max brake drum ID? Stock? Tony I believe so but I can't guarantee it, the tip states they are for the axle. There is also a typo BCA 14276 is correct I had this job done a number of years ago so I have 2 Timken bearing in front of me right now. 14130X 14276 Ron Fraser - From amberlychamberlain at sbcglobal.net Tue Nov 18 16:48:53 2008 From: amberlychamberlain at sbcglobal.net (Amberly Chamberlain) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:48:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] 2" shortie water pump Message-ID: <7319.49031.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Has anyone used a 2" shorter water pump kit from Snow White in Fresno? The kit includes pulleys,pump and adapter for just over $300. The link is www.snowwhiteltd.com Cheers frank From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Nov 18 22:57:52 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:57:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] 2" shortie water pump Message-ID: <175949.49237.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Looks interesting, but what is wrong with the regular pump and tiger pulley setup? Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Amberly Chamberlain To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:48:53 PM Subject: [Tigers] 2" shortie water pump Has anyone used a 2" shorter water pump kit from Snow White in Fresno? The kit includes pulleys,pump and adapter for just over $300. The link is www.snowwhiteltd.com Cheers frank _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From Drmoonstone at aol.com Wed Nov 19 00:55:05 2008 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:55:05 EST Subject: [Tigers] 2" shortie water pump Message-ID: If anyone wants pic or info, we live in fresno. Moonstone ************** Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=http://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001 ) From dave at munroe.ca Wed Nov 19 05:53:01 2008 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:53:01 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 2" shortie water pump In-Reply-To: <175949.49237.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <175949.49237.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2CE3112DCCA44754A0B652B8B75A381B@DavePC> Sandy and all; QUESTION: Does the 302 block take the same water pump as the 289? You want to get my, or anyone else's, heart pumping hard that has put a thick rad in their Tiger, just mention the prospect of a "shortie" water pump! After 4 years of seeing the needle pinned to the "HOT" stop on my temp gauge, and applying all the remedies recommended by the gods of heat control on this list without measurable success, I put a thick alloy rad in my car. Presto! Instant, (well not quite "instant") but complete relief and I now have a cool running Tiger. Only problem is: the tip of the water pump shaft is only 3/8" from the fins on the new, thick rad. A shortie water pump would be the final piece of the puzzle on my car. Thanks, Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Ganz" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:57 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] 2" shortie water pump > Looks interesting, but what is wrong with the regular pump and tiger > pulley > setup? > > Sandy > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Amberly Chamberlain > > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Sent: Tuesday, > November 18, 2008 3:48:53 PM > Subject: [Tigers] 2" shortie water pump > > Has > anyone used a 2" shorter water pump kit from Snow White in Fresno? The > kit > includes pulleys,pump and adapter for just over $300. The link is > www.snowwhiteltd.com > > > Cheers > > frank > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From BKSchonb at usi.edu Wed Nov 19 07:43:48 2008 From: BKSchonb at usi.edu (Schonberger, Barry K) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:43:48 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of Gymkhana In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Speaking of Gymkhana..... http://video.kenblockracing.com/flash/small_player/preloader.swf?vendor_ id=204&media_id=9183&bgcolor=FFFFFF&autoplay=0 Barry Schonberger ----- From dave at munroe.ca Wed Nov 19 08:13:07 2008 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:13:07 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of Gymkhana In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That link didn't work... Try this one: http://video.kenblockracing.com/flash/player/ > Speaking of Gymkhana..... > > http://video.kenblockracing.com/flash/small_player/preloader.swf?vendor_ > id=204&media_id=9183&bgcolor=FFFFFF&autoplay=0 > > > Barry Schonberger From packertl3 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 11:57:20 2008 From: packertl3 at yahoo.com (Terry Packer) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:57:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Brake Mastery Cyl Threads? In-Reply-To: <8abbe6e00811142134n60adf190y26b5d4c610992e51@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <66757.4508.qm@web110102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I have a stock Girling 7/8" brake master cylinder which needs the female threads for the outlet pipe cleaned up - ie, the female threads for the pipe which goes to the booster. Can anyone confirm the correct size and pitch for those brake line fittings? Thanks Terry Packer 9470018 From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Nov 19 12:59:14 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:59:14 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Brake Mastery Cyl Threads? In-Reply-To: <66757.4508.qm@web110102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Terry As far as I know all the brake line fittings are 3/8x24 with bubble flare. Confirm that with a 3/8 x 24 die on the line fitting you have just in case someone change the brake system. You will need a bottoming tap to clean those threads. If you do not have a bottoming tap; take any 3/8 x 24 bolt and cut 2 or 3 good grooves down the length of the bolt and use it for a tap. Use grease on the tap to hold the cut chips and be careful not to dig into the area where the bubble makes the seal. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Terry Packer Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:57 PM To: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Brake Mastery Cyl Threads? I have a stock Girling 7/8" brake master cylinder which needs the female threads for the outlet pipe cleaned up - ie, the female threads for the pipe which goes to the booster. Can anyone confirm the correct size and pitch for those brake line fittings? Thanks Terry Packer 9470018 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.7/1799 - Release Date: 11/19/2008 8:58 AM From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Nov 19 13:06:37 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:06:37 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: <278215DE696A4C88B9370538FDC920E1@ronpc1> I need to clarify and correct a couple things I posted to the list. Norm Miller informed me that Ford controlled all the engine sequence numbers and tags. Therefore Ford also created the sometimes seemingly out of sequence mix of numbers. My guess is that the logistics of storing, stacking and then moving these engines through the Ford accounting system explains this. Also I had an invalid number in my list of Ford engine date codes; here is a corrected list. 1 T15KL 8-15-63 2 E7KL 11-7-63 3 G13KA 1-13-64 4 L2KA 3-2-64 5 A27KA 4-27-64 6 K22KA 6-22-64 7 T12KA 8-12-64 8 S6KA 10-6-64 9 S27KA 10-27-64 10 F21KA 12-21-64 11 B19KC 2/19/65 12 A11KK 4/11/66 13 A22KK 4/22/66 The soul purpose of this research project is to add to the Tiger knowledge base so I expect Norm and anyone else to correct me if they see an error. Thanks Ron Fraser From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Nov 19 13:30:41 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:30:41 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine project Message-ID: Tiger 260 engines All 260 engines were cast and assembled by the Cleveland Plant. The C5OE-9425D intake manifold is the 1965 casting with 260 intake manifold specifications. This was probably just a casting number change rework to the C4OE manifold casting molds. This intake manifold was only used for the Tiger 260 engines; Ford was ramping up their production of 289 engines at this time. I believe all B19KC engines have the C5OE-D intake manifold but my data sample is too small at this time. To date all C5OE-D manifolds have a 5A28 casting date, all cast at the Cleveland Plant. The B19KC engine group was split into 2 builds; one in early 1965 and one in Oct 1965. I would like to see more information about the B19KC engines especially the early build segment. Tiger 289 engines I have seen 1 Ford engine ID tag for an A22KK engine: 289 C 66 10 That reads 289 engine Cleveland 1966 change level #10 My thoughts here are that the Cleveland Plant supplied all the 289 Tiger engines too since they were already accustomed to this special order plan. The Cleveland 289 engine block casting # is C5AE-6015E Ron Fraser From cars at wt-inc.com Wed Nov 19 13:46:31 2008 From: cars at wt-inc.com (Lynn Wall) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:46:31 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Sound deadening products Message-ID: <001f01c94a87$e7aaa350$b6ffe9f0$@com> All, I have the door panels off and was wondering if I should put any of the sound deadening materials in. I realize that decreasing the sound is not realistic and is not my goal but making the doors seem more solid when closing is. Anyone have any experience with this? Anyone product recommendations? Dynamat, etc. Also, how much does one need to install to create a more "solid" sound. Lynn From packertl3 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 14:16:49 2008 From: packertl3 at yahoo.com (Terry Packer) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:16:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Sound deadening products In-Reply-To: <001f01c94a87$e7aaa350$b6ffe9f0$@com> Message-ID: <710001.74902.qm@web110113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Lynn First let me say I have no direct experience with sound deadening Tiger doors. But my first consideration would just be to tighten up all the clearances in the window riser etc. I think the accumulated tiny rattles are much of what I hear on my own car doors rather than drumming of solid panels. Be that as it may, I completely removed the interior/headliner etc of my 4 dr Toyota Tacoma and installed Dynamat everywhere that could be accessed. (The best price I found was material on Ebay that was left over from someone else's project. Because it's heavy, shipping cost is something you need to consider also.) Dynamat was easy to work with and to apply to dry surfaces. In my Tacoma, it did wonders to quiet the cab to the point I could then locate and resolve shortcomings in the door seals. it's now surprisingly quiet. I'm not sure Dynamat will achieve your objective wrt Tiger doors. But for deadening large panels I found it to be an excellent product. Terry Packer 9470018 --- On Wed, 11/19/08, Lynn Wall wrote: From: Lynn Wall Subject: [Tigers] Sound deadening products To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 12:46 PM All, I have the door panels off and was wondering if I should put any of the sound deadening materials in. I realize that decreasing the sound is not realistic and is not my goal but making the doors seem more solid when closing is. Anyone have any experience with this? Anyone product recommendations? Dynamat, etc. Also, how much does one need to install to create a more "solid" sound. Lynn Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Wed Nov 19 15:30:21 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:30:21 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Brake Mastery Cyl Threads? In-Reply-To: <66757.4508.qm@web110102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <66757.4508.qm@web110102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4924937D.1020503@SoCal.rr.com> Terry, Be extra careful, as the hydraulic connections are "bubble flare" ====<> rather than "Double flare" =====<< Try the usual Tiger Parts sources, Moss Motors, BAP/Geon, etc. One is NOT a good replacement for the other. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Terry Packer wrote: > I have a stock Girling 7/8" brake master cylinder which needs the female threads for the outlet pipe cleaned up - ie, the female threads for the pipe which goes to the booster. Can anyone confirm the correct size and pitch for those brake line fittings? > > Thanks > Terry Packer > 9470018 From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Wed Nov 19 15:37:36 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:37:36 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Sound deadening products In-Reply-To: <001f01c94a87$e7aaa350$b6ffe9f0$@com> References: <001f01c94a87$e7aaa350$b6ffe9f0$@com> Message-ID: <49249530.8090803@SoCal.rr.com> Lynn, I used 12" Dynamat rubberish, adhesive backed squares. Had to cut them to fit some dimensions, but it is not difficult with the correct cutter. Small scissors are a real pain. These also work well on the firewall (inside) to reduce cockpit noise. The doors do have a solid(er) "thunk" when closing. Much neater than the sticky undercoat spray method. I believe it had an Aluminum foil backing. These were available at an Auto Paint dealer. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Lynn Wall wrote: > All, > > I have the door panels off and was wondering if I should put any of the > sound deadening materials in. I realize that decreasing the sound is not > realistic and is not my goal but making the doors seem more solid when > closing is. > > > > Anyone have any experience with this? Anyone product recommendations? > Dynamat, etc. > > > > Also, how much does one need to install to create a more "solid" sound. > > > > Lynn From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Nov 19 16:04:21 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:04:21 EST Subject: [Tigers] Brake Mastery Cyl Threads? Message-ID: Now I'm seeing advertised a "universal" flare that will work with either. I'd be curious to see how they work. Mark **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Nov 19 17:42:19 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:42:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Jim Foster Message-ID: <584352.21080.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does anyone have an email for Jim Foster (or are you on the list). He is a Canadian Tiger owner, and I have some questions about his car. Sandy From mmichels at socal.rr.com Wed Nov 19 21:39:10 2008 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:39:10 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Sound deadening products References: <001f01c94a87$e7aaa350$b6ffe9f0$@com> Message-ID: I used standard Dynamat, and it really only needs a square foot or two. One warning is that the interior surface must be completely clean and as rust free as possible. Also recommend spraying 3m trim adhesive on the steel. The first time I applied dynamat, it slowly peeled off and drooped into the window lift mechanism and spread adhesive on the glass. A smaller, lighter weight patch and trim adhesive is now more secure. If you have a small roller (like for wallpaper or inking printing plates) that will press the dynamat more firmly in place. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Wall" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:46 PM Subject: [Tigers] Sound deadening products > All, > > I have the door panels off and was wondering if I should put any of the > sound deadening materials in. I realize that decreasing the sound is not > realistic and is not my goal but making the doors seem more solid when > closing is. > > > > Anyone have any experience with this? Anyone product recommendations? > Dynamat, etc. > > > > Also, how much does one need to install to create a more "solid" sound. > > > > Lynn > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From Carmods at aol.com Thu Nov 20 07:06:35 2008 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:06:35 EST Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam but not Tiger Message-ID: I need to have a brake cylinder from a 1954 Sunbeam sleeved. Does anyone know a good place to send it to? John Logan **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) From awtiger at cox.net Thu Nov 20 07:43:55 2008 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 9:43:55 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam but not Tiger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081120094355.9S0BQ.210818.imail@eastrmwml34> Try either "Apple Hydraulics" or "Whitepost Restorations." Both ( I think) are located in New York. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX ---- Carmods at aol.com wrote: > I need to have a brake cylinder from a 1954 Sunbeam sleeved. Does anyone > know a good place to send it to? > > John Logan > **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, > and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com > today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp > %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From wowens at dslextreme.com Thu Nov 20 07:55:29 2008 From: wowens at dslextreme.com (wowens @dslextreme.com) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:55:29 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 517 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Hi Lynn, > > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:46:31 -0700 > From: "Lynn Wall" > Subject: [Tigers] Sound deadening products > To: > Message-ID: <001f01c94a87$e7aaa350$b6ffe9f0$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > All, > > I have the door panels off and was wondering if I should put any of the > sound deadening materials in. I realize that decreasing the sound is not > realistic and is not my goal but making the doors seem more solid when > closing is. > > > > Anyone have any experience with this? Anyone product recommendations? > Dynamat, etc. > > > > Also, how much does one need to install to create a more "solid" sound. > > > > Lynn From wowens at dslextreme.com Thu Nov 20 07:58:16 2008 From: wowens at dslextreme.com (wowens @dslextreme.com) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:58:16 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 517 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Lynn, I recently did a carpet install and used both dynamat & Q-pads ( or Q-dots? sound deadening only no foil covering to reflect heat) and found both easy to install. Q-pads were much cheaper and would be fine in the doors so I would give them a try. Windsor >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:46:31 -0700 >> From: "Lynn Wall" >> Subject: [Tigers] Sound deadening products >> To: >> Message-ID: <001f01c94a87$e7aaa350$b6ffe9f0$@com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> All, >> >> I have the door panels off and was wondering if I should put any of the >> sound deadening materials in. I realize that decreasing the sound is not >> realistic and is not my goal but making the doors seem more solid when >> closing is. >> >> >> >> Anyone have any experience with this? Anyone product recommendations? >> Dynamat, etc. >> >> >> >> Also, how much does one need to install to create a more "solid" sound. >> >> >> >> Lynn From spmdr at juno.com Thu Nov 20 08:21:42 2008 From: spmdr at juno.com (spmdr at juno.com) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:21:42 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Brake line types Message-ID: <20081120.072147.-2061271.3.spmdr@juno.com> Just to add to the confusion...some facts. The Brake lines on SI-V and Tigers have a mix of Bubble and double flare. A good example is the late Alpine and Tiger hard line between the rear wheel cylinders, Bubble on one end and double flare on the other. DW ____________________________________________________________ Take your cooking skills to the next level. Find a cooking school near you! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2ROjGkyADVw7eePuKO0oa55nkjJ0Zqw94smWtolbkdQXyca/ From jimbo.ander at verizon.net Thu Nov 20 08:58:31 2008 From: jimbo.ander at verizon.net (Jim Anderson) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:58:31 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Whitepost Restorations Message-ID: Whitepost Restorations is located in Virginia, not far from Dulles International airport, 60 miles west of Washington DC. The e-mail is Whitepost.com and the telephone number is 540-837-1140, ask for Billly. Jim Anderson From Rollright at aol.com Thu Nov 20 09:00:53 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:00:53 EST Subject: [Tigers] resleeving Message-ID: Hello, I've had great luck with the following guys, who have been recommended in a lot of DIY sources: Brake Re-sleeving Brake & Equipment Warehouse * 455 Harrison St N.E. Minneapolis, MN 55413 612 378 3141 _www.brakeplace.com_ (http://www.brakeplace.com) Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) From marcsmall at comcast.net Thu Nov 20 09:12:08 2008 From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:12:08 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam but not Tiger In-Reply-To: <20081120094355.9S0BQ.210818.imail@eastrmwml34> References: <20081120094355.9S0BQ.210818.imail@eastrmwml34> Message-ID: <20081120161411.5C8CE1878AA@autox.team.net> At 09:43 AM 11/20/2008, awtiger at cox.net wrote: >Try either "Apple Hydraulics" or "Whitepost Restorations." Both ( I >think) are located in New York. > Nice try, but you don't get the cigar. Whitepost Restorations is very much in Clark County, Virginia, nearby to Winchester. I used to drive by it several times a month. Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From John.Dillman at PUBLICANS.com Thu Nov 20 09:49:55 2008 From: John.Dillman at PUBLICANS.com (John Dillman) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:49:55 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Sound deadening products Message-ID: I am new to the list (still Tiger shopping). I recently used a dynamat knock-off from ebay. It was called FatMat, I think, and worked quite well on a '66 Vette (floors and firewall). As noted, this stuff is heavy, so shipping will be a consideration. Out of a BIG box (about $80 including shipping, I think) I'll probably have enough left over for the 280sl. John Dillman Houston, TX From jaars at emailmv.com Thu Nov 20 12:28:25 2008 From: jaars at emailmv.com (Robert Jaarsma) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:28:25 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Sleeving brake cylinder Message-ID: John, I use a small machinist in MA and his card says: Specializing in Stainless steel sleeves for most automotive Hydraulic Applications. Mark Frappier 82 Mountain View St, Agawam, MA 01001. 800-528-5235 or 413-789-4588 10am-8pm Give him a call, since my last work was 2 years ago. Let me know if he still does it. Robert From w_pierzga at msn.com Thu Nov 20 13:31:07 2008 From: w_pierzga at msn.com (MSN) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:31:07 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Sound deadening products In-Reply-To: <001f01c94a87$e7aaa350$b6ffe9f0$@com> References: <001f01c94a87$e7aaa350$b6ffe9f0$@com> Message-ID: Hi: I have restored several Alpine/Tiger and experimented with a variety of soundproofing, heat reflecting and waterproofing solutions. My conclusion: On the Tiger suggest using Lizard Skin Insulation on the engine-side of the lower firewall, tunnel, floor and X-member (adjacent to where exhaust passes thru). This will reduce engine and exhaust related heat transfer into the cabin area. (Cost around $100). Engine/exhaust heat on the Alpine is nowhere as pronounced as on Tiger. On the Alpine/Tiger suggest using Urethane truck bed liner as undercoating. Should be applied to entire underbody, inside fenders, inside doors, inside lower half of the rear quarters, inside rear area where fuel tank connector is, on the floors (up to door opening), on rear package area and inside the battery box. This can be applied on top of Lizard Skin and can be tinted to approach the body color if desired. The stuff is near bullet proof and provides a modest amount of sound suppression. (Cost around $200 including underliner spray gun) On the Alpine/Tiger suggest using asphalt insulation as soundproofing. Should be applied to floor, rear-seat package area, vertical rise from floor to rear-seat package area, on tunnel under the center console, in doors, in rear quarter panels and in front quarter panel behind kick panels. Whitney's sells the stuff in 32x54 inch sheets, which is ideal for the floor on one side, and in a box of 12 10x13 inch sheets, which is ideal for the doors and quarter panels. After applying use a heat gun/roller to press into shape and ensure strong bond. (Cost around $100) On the Alpine/Tiger suggest using 3/8 inch double-sided aluminum foil faced sound blanket as further soundproofing. Should be applied using contact adhesive to the cabin-side of the firewall (with adequate cutout clearance for brake/clutch pedal assembly), and to the cabin-side of the tunnel. Whitney's sells stuff in 4x4 feet rolls and also sells "Sticky Stuff" spray adhesive - only need one can. (Cost approx $175) So total materials cost (November 2008) to properly soundproof, insulate and weatherproof Alpine/Tiger to will be about $600. The soundproofing is an easy do-it-yourself job that can be completed over a long weekend (suggest making templates for floor and tunnel out of poster board before cutting material.) Applying the Lizard skin and Urethane can be done by competent do-it-yourselfer but requires air compressor and can be messy. It is best applied during a full restoration when the car is on a rotisserie. Also suggest applying a small amount of butyl rubber self-adhesive sealing tape between the trunk skin and the trunk frame (x-shaped area) and between the bonnet skin and the bonnet frame. Squeeze a small amount between the frame and skin at each of the four 'v' formed by the X-shaped trunk frame and every 8 inches between the bonnet skin and bonnet frame. This will dramatically reduce the tininess of the trunk and bonnet. Suggest using the remainder of this tape as calking around rubber grommets and anywhere there is a gap in the body where water can penetrate. The stuff can be obtained as a body shop supply center (can get it in a roll of 3/8 inch diameter tape). Good luck, Wayne -----Original Message----- From: Lynn Wall [mailto:cars at wt-inc.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 3:47 PM To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] Sound deadening products All, I have the door panels off and was wondering if I should put any of the sound deadening materials in. I realize that decreasing the sound is not realistic and is not my goal but making the doors seem more solid when closing is. Anyone have any experience with this? Anyone product recommendations? Dynamat, etc. Also, how much does one need to install to create a more "solid" sound. Lynn From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Thu Nov 20 13:54:10 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:54:10 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Doane Spencer's Tiger Message-ID: <4925CE72.9060908@SoCal.rr.com> The unloading of Doane Spencer's (Hollywood Sport Cars racing Tiger #55) on YouTube. *Lot's* of other Tiger videos, as well. You need the latest FREE update to Adobe Flash, and it gives you a link if you don't. http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=AHE-EZSAkOM "Fun, fun, fun!" (The Beach Boys) Why so many Dutch videos throughout YouTube? Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 15:28:55 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:28:55 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Doane Spencer's Tiger In-Reply-To: <4925CE72.9060908@SoCal.rr.com> References: <4925CE72.9060908@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: I have some nice vids of my car on there.. http://au.youtube.com/user/sunbeam6366 If you look through my favourites there are some nice tiger vids and also some nice other cobra/gt40 etc -- Regards Michael King From crabco at shaw.ca Thu Nov 20 15:09:53 2008 From: crabco at shaw.ca (Tim Webster) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:09:53 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Brake line routing Message-ID: <007001c94b5c$b7c33d70$6500a8c0@BigBlack> Hi, I am having some problems figuring out how to correctly route my Mark 1 brake hydraulic lines. Is there a resoruce somewhere that offers a schematic and description of the correct routing and mounting of these lines? I will be needing the same information for the fuel line. It would be handy to know the correct pipe lengths for each piece so I could have them made up I had a pretty good look at the TU archives as well as those of this list but couldn't find much of help apart from a link to classictube.com who appear to sell prebent lines for the Tiger. Has anybody used their tube products for their Tiger? Thanks, Tim From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Nov 20 22:38:48 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:38:48 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Brake line routing In-Reply-To: <007001c94b5c$b7c33d70$6500a8c0@BigBlack> Message-ID: Tim I believe the only diagram is in the Alpine parts list; publication # 6600992, non are very detailed. I think the fuel line and brake line both run down right side of the drive shaft tunnel and are held by clips. I made new lines on my MK IA which should be similar; I can measure approximant lengths assuming I can still find the originals. Which lines do you need. Classic tube; I have seen their product and they appear to be excellent but I have not installed any. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Webster Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:10 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Brake line routing Hi, I am having some problems figuring out how to correctly route my Mark 1 brake hydraulic lines. Is there a resoruce somewhere that offers a schematic and description of the correct routing and mounting of these lines? I will be needing the same information for the fuel line. It would be handy to know the correct pipe lengths for each piece so I could have them made up I had a pretty good look at the TU archives as well as those of this list but couldn't find much of help apart from a link to classictube.com who appear to sell prebent lines for the Tiger. Has anybody used their tube products for their Tiger? Thanks, Tim No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.8/1801 - Release Date: 11/20/2008 9:11 AM From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 22:43:47 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:43:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Brake line routing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <368673.83203.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think I would contact the vendors who make and sell brake and maybe fuel lines. My question would be if they are exact duplicate of orginal tooling or so close you dont have to spend hours rebending thier products. Im sure they will respond. Perhaps someone who has installed vendor prepared lines will speak up. Im interested in how well the lines fit as well for a down the road project. TonytheTiger --- On Thu, 11/20/08, Ron Fraser wrote: > From: Ron Fraser > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake line routing > To: "'Tim Webster'" , tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 11:38 PM > Tim > I believe the only diagram is in the Alpine parts list; > publication > # 6600992, non are very detailed. > I think the fuel line and brake line both run down right > side of the drive > shaft tunnel and are held by clips. > > I made new lines on my MK IA which should be similar; I can > measure > approximant lengths assuming I can still find the > originals. Which lines do > you need. > > Classic tube; I have seen their product and they appear to > be excellent but > I have not installed any. > > Ron Fraser > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Tim Webster > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 5:10 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Brake line routing > > > Hi, > > I am having some problems figuring out how to correctly > route my Mark 1 > brake hydraulic lines. Is there a resoruce somewhere that > offers a schematic > and description of the correct routing and mounting of > these lines? I will > be needing the same information for the fuel line. It would > be handy to know > the correct pipe lengths for each piece so I could have > them made up > > I had a pretty good look at the TU archives as well as > those of this list > but couldn't find much of help apart from a link to > classictube.com who > appear to sell prebent lines for the Tiger. Has anybody > used their tube > products for their Tiger? > > Thanks, > > Tim > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.8/1801 - Release > Date: 11/20/2008 > 9:11 AM > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From mmichels at socal.rr.com Fri Nov 21 07:42:45 2008 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:42:45 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] fairmont pulley Message-ID: I'm looking for the small diameter fairmont/zephyr water pump pulley. If anybody has one they are willing to part with or knows a source, please contact me off line. Thanks. From bob at rjosten.com Fri Nov 21 09:51:25 2008 From: bob at rjosten.com (Bob Josten) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:51:25 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Brake line routing In-Reply-To: <007001c94b5c$b7c33d70$6500a8c0@BigBlack> References: <007001c94b5c$b7c33d70$6500a8c0@BigBlack> Message-ID: Hi Tim, I used the Classic Tube stainless lines on my mk2 and with one small exception they fit and look great. I recall they were about $200 so it seemed very reasonable. Bob On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Tim Webster wrote: > Hi, > > I am having some problems figuring out how to correctly route my Mark 1 > brake > hydraulic lines. Is there a resoruce somewhere that offers a schematic and > description of the correct routing and mounting of these lines? I will be > needing the same information for the fuel line. It would be handy to know > the > correct pipe lengths for each piece so I could have them made up From MACHWIL at aol.com Fri Nov 21 11:36:17 2008 From: MACHWIL at aol.com (MACHWIL at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:36:17 EST Subject: [Tigers] Brake line routing Message-ID: Hello, I've used Classic Tubes brake and fuel lines on my 1a. They worked fine, absolutely no problems at all. Don't recall the prices but you couldn't make them from scratch, IMHO. Bud Williams 0490 **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Fri Nov 21 11:39:44 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:39:44 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Brake line routing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39a841b0811211039t3ae02c60rf359235961156d3c@mail.gmail.com> on a related note, does anyone know of a flaring tool that will flare 3/16 stainless pipe? i've had to temporarily run copper along the rear axle until i can figure this one out. the normal hand-held flaring kits just slide off stainless tubing. On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 6:36 PM, wrote: > Hello, > > I've used Classic Tubes brake and fuel lines on my 1a. They worked fine, > absolutely no problems at all. Don't recall the prices but you couldn't make > them from scratch, IMHO. > > Bud Williams > 0490 > **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, > and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com > today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp > %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From sganz at pacbell.net Fri Nov 21 11:48:34 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:48:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Brake line routing Message-ID: <357440.33330.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The stainless must be the soft style tubing. You will need a very good tool from Imperial or other manufactures (OTC/Mastercool?), I have tried some double flares with the standard ones tools and have had mixed results like you said hard to grip. I have see some hand held hydraulic ones but have never tried them. Look at some of the automotive tool shops you will find them, but you won't like the price... Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Owain Lloyd To: MACHWIL at aol.com Cc: crabco at shaw.ca; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 10:39:44 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake line routing on a related note, does anyone know of a flaring tool that will flare 3/16 stainless pipe? i've had to temporarily run copper along the rear axle until i can figure this one out. the normal hand-held flaring kits just slide off stainless tubing. On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 6:36 PM, wrote: > Hello, > > I've used Classic Tubes brake and fuel lines on my 1a. They worked fine, > absolutely no problems at all. Don't recall the prices but you couldn't make > them from scratch, IMHO. > > Bud Williams > 0490 > **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, > and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com > today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redi r=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp > %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From rfraser at bluefrog.com Fri Nov 21 13:19:23 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:19:23 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Brake line routing In-Reply-To: <39a841b0811211039t3ae02c60rf359235961156d3c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <87B2206079864E2E8260050CE6C8C00D@ronpc1> Owain Eastwood has some of these tools, the good ones start around $200, the cheap tool is not recommended for stainless. http://search.eastwoodco.com/search?p=KK&srid=S1%2d6&lbc=eastwood&ts=custom& pw=tube%20flaring%20kits&uid=98347226&isort=score&w=double%20flaring%20tool& rk=4 Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 1:40 PM To: MACHWIL at aol.com Cc: crabco at shaw.ca; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake line routing on a related note, does anyone know of a flaring tool that will flare 3/16 stainless pipe? i've had to temporarily run copper along the rear axle until i can figure this one out. the normal hand-held flaring kits just slide off stainless tubing. On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 6:36 PM, wrote: > Hello, > > I've used Classic Tubes brake and fuel lines on my 1a. They worked > fine, absolutely no problems at all. Don't recall the prices but you > couldn't make them from scratch, IMHO. > > Bud Williams > 0490 > **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social > networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com > today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/a > ol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp > %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1803 - Release Date: 11/21/2008 9:37 AM From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Fri Nov 21 14:54:27 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:54:27 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Brake line routing In-Reply-To: <87B2206079864E2E8260050CE6C8C00D@ronpc1> References: <39a841b0811211039t3ae02c60rf359235961156d3c@mail.gmail.com> <87B2206079864E2E8260050CE6C8C00D@ronpc1> Message-ID: <39a841b0811211354o547dafcdu27d4b034df7a8833@mail.gmail.com> excellent thanks. so do you think this tool would be good enough to flare the summit 3/16 stainless line? http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=18935&itemType=PRODUCT i'm in the US next week so i'll order one if it'll do the job. On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Owain > Eastwood has some of these tools, the good ones start around $200, > the cheap tool is not recommended for stainless. > > http://search.eastwoodco.com/search?p=KK&srid=S1%2d6&lbc=eastwood&ts=custom& > pw=tube%20flaring%20kits&uid=98347226&isort=score&w=double%20flaring%20tool& > rk=4 > > Ron Fraser > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 1:40 PM > To: MACHWIL at aol.com > Cc: crabco at shaw.ca; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake line routing > > > on a related note, does anyone know of a flaring tool that will flare 3/16 > stainless pipe? > > i've had to temporarily run copper along the rear axle until i can figure > this one out. the normal hand-held flaring kits just slide off stainless > tubing. > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 6:36 PM, wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I've used Classic Tubes brake and fuel lines on my 1a. They worked >> fine, absolutely no problems at all. Don't recall the prices but you >> couldn't make them from scratch, IMHO. >> >> Bud Williams >> 0490 >> **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social >> networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com >> today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/a >> ol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp >> %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1803 - Release Date: 11/21/2008 > 9:37 AM From sganz at pacbell.net Fri Nov 21 15:53:18 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:53:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Brake line routing Message-ID: <790092.10592.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That looks pretty good, states for steel or stainless. The nice long handle looks like it would work really well. You might be able to find it a bit cheaper if you look around on the web as I'll bet someone else makes it for them, or see if you can find the brand. Still not too bad looking. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Owain Lloyd To: rfraser at bluefrog.com Cc: crabco at shaw.ca; tigers at autox.team.net; MACHWIL at aol.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 1:54:27 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake line routing excellent thanks. so do you think this tool would be good enough to flare the summit 3/16 stainless line? http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=18935&itemType=PRODUCT i'm in the US next week so i'll order one if it'll do the job. On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > Owain > Eastwood has some of these tools, the good ones start around $200, > the cheap tool is not recommended for stainless. > > http://search.eastwoodco.com/search?p=KK&srid=S1%2d6&lbc=eastwood&ts=custom& > pw=tube%20flaring%20kits&uid=98347226&isort=score&w=double%20flaring%20tool& > rk=4 > > Ron Fraser > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 1:40 PM > To: MACHWIL at aol.com > Cc: crabco at shaw.ca; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake line routing > > > on a related note, does anyone know of a flaring tool that will flare 3/16 > stainless pipe? > > i've had to temporarily run copper along the rear axle until i can figure > this one out. the normal hand-held flaring kits just slide off stainless > tubing. > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 6:36 PM, wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I've used Classic Tubes brake and fuel lines on my 1a. They worked >> fine, absolutely no problems at all. Don't recall the prices but you >> couldn't make them from scratch, IMHO. >> >> Bud Williams >> 0490 >> **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social >> networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com >> today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/a >> ol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp >> %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1803 - Release Date: 11/21/2008 > 9:37 AM Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From drmayf at mayfco.com Fri Nov 21 20:48:16 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:48:16 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Brake line routing In-Reply-To: <39a841b0811211354o547dafcdu27d4b034df7a8833@mail.gmail.com> References: <39a841b0811211039t3ae02c60rf359235961156d3c@mail.gmail.com> <87B2206079864E2E8260050CE6C8C00D@ronpc1> <39a841b0811211354o547dafcdu27d4b034df7a8833@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49278100.2070808@mayfco.com> Owain, it was strange but today I receive a Harbor Freight catalog. Right there in the middle of it was an exact duplicate of the Eastwood unit. Exact. Interesting also was that the catalog price is $149.99. But when I logged onto the HF web site and entered the item number I see that it s only $119.99 if ordered online. Now I am not saying it is the same unit, but Eastwood gets their stuff from somewhere, eh? Same colors, same turret head, etc. Http://www.harborfreight.com and enter this item number: 99642 For your comparison shopping... mayf Owain Lloyd wrote: >excellent thanks. >so do you think this tool would be good enough to flare the summit >3/16 stainless line? >http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=18935&itemType=PRODUCT > >i'm in the US next week so i'll order one if it'll do the job. > >On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > > >>Owain >> Eastwood has some of these tools, the good ones start around $200, >>the cheap tool is not recommended for stainless. >> >>http://search.eastwoodco.com/search?p=KK&srid=S1%2d6&lbc=eastwood&ts=custom& >>pw=tube%20flaring%20kits&uid=98347226&isort=score&w=double%20flaring%20tool& >>rk=4 >> >>Ron Fraser >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] >>On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd >>Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 1:40 PM >>To: MACHWIL at aol.com >>Cc: crabco at shaw.ca; tigers at autox.team.net >>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake line routing >> >> >>on a related note, does anyone know of a flaring tool that will flare 3/16 >>stainless pipe? >> >>i've had to temporarily run copper along the rear axle until i can figure >>this one out. the normal hand-held flaring kits just slide off stainless >>tubing. >> >>On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 6:36 PM, wrote: >> >> >>>Hello, >>> >>>I've used Classic Tubes brake and fuel lines on my 1a. They worked >>>fine, absolutely no problems at all. Don't recall the prices but you >>>couldn't make them from scratch, IMHO. >>> >>>Bud Williams >>>0490 >>>**************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social >>>networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com >>>today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/a >>>ol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp >>>%26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) >>>_______________________________________________ From sganz at pacbell.net Fri Nov 21 23:11:29 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:11:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Brake line routing Message-ID: <668670.89182.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nice! Now to wait to see if it works, then I'll have to get one too! Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: drmayf To: owain.lloyd at gmail.com Cc: crabco at shaw.ca; tigers at autox.team.net; MACHWIL at aol.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 7:48:16 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake line routing Owain, it was strange but today I receive a Harbor Freight catalog. Right there in the middle of it was an exact duplicate of the Eastwood unit. Exact. Interesting also was that the catalog price is $149.99. But when I logged onto the HF web site and entered the item number I see that it s only $119.99 if ordered online. Now I am not saying it is the same unit, but Eastwood gets their stuff from somewhere, eh? Same colors, same turret head, etc. Http://www.harborfreight.com and enter this item number: 99642 For your comparison shopping... mayf Owain Lloyd wrote: >excellent thanks. >so do you think this tool would be good enough to flare the summit >3/16 stainless line? >http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=18935&itemType=PRODUCT > >i'm in the US next week so i'll order one if it'll do the job. > >On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: > > >>Owain >> Eastwood has some of these tools, the good ones start around $200, >>the cheap tool is not recommended for stainless. >> >>http://search.eastwoodco.com/search?p=KK&srid=S1%2d6&lbc=eastwood&ts=custom& >>pw=tube%20flaring%20kits&uid=98347226&isort=score&w=double%20flaring%20tool& >>rk=4 >> >>Ron Fraser >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] >>On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd >>Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 1:40 PM >>To: MACHWIL at aol.com >>Cc: crabco at shaw.ca; tigers at autox.team.net >>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake line routing >> >> >>on a related note, does anyone know of a flaring tool that will flare 3/16 >>stainless pipe? >> >>i've had to temporarily run copper along the rear axle until i can figure >>this one out. the normal hand-held flaring kits just slide off stainless >>tubing. >> >>On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 6:36 PM, wrote: >> >> >>>Hello, >>> >>>I've used Classic Tubes brake and fuel lines on my 1a. They worked >>>fine, absolutely no problems at all. Don't recall the prices but you >>>couldn't make them from scratch, IMHO. >>> >>>Bud Williams >>>0490 >>>**************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social >>>networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com >>>today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/a >>>ol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp >>>%26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) >>>_______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From maliburevue at yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 09:57:18 2008 From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary Crandall) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:57:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for Sale on Craigslist Message-ID: <373080.92281.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I saw this on Craigslist. They ain't gettin' much cheaper than this. Reply to: sale-923095488 at craigslist.org Date: 2008-11-17, 4:28PM EST 1965 Sunbeam Tiger, Red with Black interior. This is an excellent original car, sitting in a barn from last 20 years. The car is complete, needs restoration. For only $6,950. 718-545-0500. From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Sat Nov 22 10:39:15 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:39:15 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Brake line routing In-Reply-To: <668670.89182.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <668670.89182.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0811220939l7792e107p24f5b0c2c050f354@mail.gmail.com> guess i'm the guinea pig then! i'll order the HF one. this is exactly the sort of tool i normally would NOT get from HF but in this case, it really does seem to be the same version as the eastwood one so i'll take the chance. many thanks. On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:11 AM, Sandy Ganz wrote: > Nice! Now to wait to see if it works, then I'll have to get one too! > > Sandy > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: drmayf > To: owain.lloyd at gmail.com > Cc: crabco at shaw.ca; tigers at autox.team.net; MACHWIL at aol.com > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 7:48:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake line routing > > Owain, > it was strange but today I receive a Harbor Freight catalog. Right there > in the middle of it was an exact duplicate of the Eastwood unit. Exact. > Interesting also was that the catalog price is $149.99. But when I > logged onto the HF web site and entered the item number I see that it s > only $119.99 if ordered online. Now I am not saying it is the same > unit, but Eastwood gets their stuff from somewhere, eh? Same colors, > same turret head, etc. > > Http://www.harborfreight.com and enter this item number: 99642 > > For your comparison shopping... > > mayf > Owain Lloyd wrote: > >>excellent thanks. >>so do you think this tool would be good enough to flare the summit >>3/16 stainless line? >>http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=18935&itemType=PRODUCT >> >>i'm in the US next week so i'll order one if it'll do the job. >> >>On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: >> >> >>>Owain >>> Eastwood has some of these tools, the good ones start around $200, >>>the cheap tool is not recommended for stainless. >>> >>>http://search.eastwoodco.com/search?p=KK&srid=S1%2d6&lbc=eastwood&ts=custom& >>>pw=tube%20flaring%20kits&uid=98347226&isort=score&w=double%20flaring%20tool& >>>rk=4 >>> >>>Ron Fraser >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] >>>On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd >>>Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 1:40 PM >>>To: MACHWIL at aol.com >>>Cc: crabco at shaw.ca; tigers at autox.team.net >>>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake line routing >>> >>> >>>on a related note, does anyone know of a flaring tool that will flare 3/16 >>>stainless pipe? >>> >>>i've had to temporarily run copper along the rear axle until i can figure >>>this one out. the normal hand-held flaring kits just slide off stainless >>>tubing. >>> >>>On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 6:36 PM, wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Hello, >>>> >>>>I've used Classic Tubes brake and fuel lines on my 1a. They worked >>>>fine, absolutely no problems at all. Don't recall the prices but you >>>>couldn't make them from scratch, IMHO. >>>> >>>>Bud Williams >>>>0490 >>>>**************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social >>>>networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com >>>>today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/a >>>>ol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp >>>>%26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) >>>>_______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Sat Nov 22 10:48:48 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:48:48 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Brake line routing In-Reply-To: <39a841b0811220939l7792e107p24f5b0c2c050f354@mail.gmail.com> References: <668670.89182.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <39a841b0811220939l7792e107p24f5b0c2c050f354@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0811220948s3fb73288y4ca2e6549c080db9@mail.gmail.com> then again, this one is not too much more and can be used in place, on the car. http://www.toolprofessional.net/MasterCool-Universal-Hydraulic-Flaring-Tool-Set/M/B00063YR2I.htm On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > guess i'm the guinea pig then! i'll order the HF one. this is > exactly the sort of tool i normally would NOT get from HF but in this > case, it really does seem to be the same version as the eastwood one > so i'll take the chance. > > many thanks. > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:11 AM, Sandy Ganz wrote: >> Nice! Now to wait to see if it works, then I'll have to get one too! >> >> Sandy >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: drmayf >> To: owain.lloyd at gmail.com >> Cc: crabco at shaw.ca; tigers at autox.team.net; MACHWIL at aol.com >> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 7:48:16 PM >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake line routing >> >> Owain, >> it was strange but today I receive a Harbor Freight catalog. Right there >> in the middle of it was an exact duplicate of the Eastwood unit. Exact. >> Interesting also was that the catalog price is $149.99. But when I >> logged onto the HF web site and entered the item number I see that it s >> only $119.99 if ordered online. Now I am not saying it is the same >> unit, but Eastwood gets their stuff from somewhere, eh? Same colors, >> same turret head, etc. >> >> Http://www.harborfreight.com and enter this item number: 99642 >> >> For your comparison shopping... >> >> mayf >> Owain Lloyd wrote: >> >>>excellent thanks. >>>so do you think this tool would be good enough to flare the summit >>>3/16 stainless line? >>>http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=18935&itemType=PRODUCT >>> >>>i'm in the US next week so i'll order one if it'll do the job. >>> >>>On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Ron Fraser wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Owain >>>> Eastwood has some of these tools, the good ones start around $200, >>>>the cheap tool is not recommended for stainless. >>>> >>>>http://search.eastwoodco.com/search?p=KK&srid=S1%2d6&lbc=eastwood&ts=custom& >>>>pw=tube%20flaring%20kits&uid=98347226&isort=score&w=double%20flaring%20tool& >>>>rk=4 >>>> >>>>Ron Fraser >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] >>>>On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd >>>>Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 1:40 PM >>>>To: MACHWIL at aol.com >>>>Cc: crabco at shaw.ca; tigers at autox.team.net >>>>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Brake line routing >>>> >>>> >>>>on a related note, does anyone know of a flaring tool that will flare 3/16 >>>>stainless pipe? >>>> >>>>i've had to temporarily run copper along the rear axle until i can figure >>>>this one out. the normal hand-held flaring kits just slide off stainless >>>>tubing. >>>> >>>>On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 6:36 PM, wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hello, >>>>> >>>>>I've used Classic Tubes brake and fuel lines on my 1a. They worked >>>>>fine, absolutely no problems at all. Don't recall the prices but you >>>>>couldn't make them from scratch, IMHO. >>>>> >>>>>Bud Williams >>>>>0490 >>>>>**************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social >>>>>networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com >>>>>today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/a >>>>>ol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp >>>>>%26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) >>>>>_______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive From gswaybright at yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 14:05:20 2008 From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:05:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for Sale on Craigslist In-Reply-To: <373080.92281.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <972340.86158.qm@web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Not sure how they can use excellent as an adjective for this car.. See pics @ http://www.gullwingmotorcars.com/inv.php?action=display&autoID=349 --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Gary Crandall wrote: > From: Gary Crandall > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for Sale on Craigslist > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 11:57 AM > I saw this on Craigslist. They ain't gettin' much > cheaper than this. > > > > Reply to: sale-923095488 at craigslist.org > Date: 2008-11-17, 4:28PM EST > > 1965 Sunbeam Tiger, Red with Black interior. This is an > excellent original > car, sitting in a barn from last 20 years. The car is > complete, needs > restoration. For only $6,950. 718-545-0500. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From bob at rjosten.com Sat Nov 22 14:10:51 2008 From: bob at rjosten.com (Bob Josten) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:10:51 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for Sale on Craigslist In-Reply-To: <972340.86158.qm@web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <373080.92281.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <972340.86158.qm@web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Maybe they found it under a barn. On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Stephen Waybright wrote: > Not sure how they can use excellent as an adjective for this car.. > > See pics @ > http://www.gullwingmotorcars.com/inv.php?action=display&autoID=349 From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sat Nov 22 14:51:38 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:51:38 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for Sale on Craigslist In-Reply-To: References: <373080.92281.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <972340.86158.qm@web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49287EEA.6010500@SoCal.rr.com> Tigers, When I visited France, there was an auto museum dedicated exactly to "found in a barn". There were a large number elderly European cars, including a Bugatti, exactly as found - in barns. The Bugatti even had a birds nest in the headlamp housing! Very interesting. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Bob Josten wrote: > Maybe they found it under a barn. From achd73 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 15:14:20 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:14:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Tiger shifter Message-ID: <184172.21417.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> List- can anyone help with the below question. Im not sure if George in on list or not BUT I will send him info to join. I think the balls come out and the rod disconnects from the T handle and then it slides thru the shifter BUT thats a guess. All help is appreciated. TonytheTiger --- On Sat, 11/22/08, George Re wrote: > From: George Re > Subject: Tiger shifter > To: "Tony Somebody" > Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 3:07 PM > Hi Tony: > > This is George Re I have a question is the a trick to take > the shifter apart > I need to do this be for I send it out to the chrome shop. > I cant not find out how to get > the reverse lock out piece out of the shifter. > > > Thanks > George From DJoh797014 at aol.com Sat Nov 22 16:19:32 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:19:32 EST Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Tiger shifter Message-ID: TigerUnited should have the CAT tech tip on how to replace the T handle on a stock shifter as well as other parts. Dave In a message dated 11/22/2008 4:18:23 P.M. Central Standard Time, achd73 at yahoo.com writes: List- can anyone help with the below question. Im not sure if George in on list or not BUT I will send him info to join. I think the balls come out and the rod disconnects from the T handle and then it slides thru the shifter BUT thats a guess. All help is appreciated. TonytheTiger --- On Sat, 11/22/08, George Re wrote: > From: George Re > Subject: Tiger shifter > To: "Tony Somebody" > Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 3:07 PM > Hi Tony: > > This is George Re I have a question is the a trick to take > the shifter apart > I need to do this be for I send it out to the chrome shop. > I cant not find out how to get > the reverse lock out piece out of the shifter. > > > Thanks > George Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) From achd73 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 16:26:00 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:26:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Tiger shifter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <178501.83267.qm@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I had a shifter at the house. If you push up on the lock out, that allows the T handle to move freely. Then I could almost get the T to slde thru the tube but would have had to force it. Then I looked inside,(down the tube w/ shift knob removed) the best I could with a big flashlight and it appears to have a set screw(allen headbolt) but it was hard to see. Using a small phillips I could feel what I thought was an allen head opening. Good question George. Im sure the answer is simple AFTER we all know just how easy it is. TtT --- On Sat, 11/22/08, DJoh797014 at aol.com wrote: > From: DJoh797014 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fw: Tiger shifter > To: achd73 at yahoo.com, tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 5:19 PM > TigerUnited should have the CAT tech tip on how to replace > the T handle on a stock shifter as well as other parts. > > Dave > > > In a message dated 11/22/2008 4:18:23 P.M. Central Standard > Time, > achd73 at yahoo.com writes: > > List- can anyone help with the below question. Im not sure > if George in on > list or not BUT I will send him info to join. I think the > balls come out and > the rod disconnects from the T handle and then it slides > thru the shifter BUT > thats a guess. All help is appreciated. > TonytheTiger > > --- On Sat, 11/22/08, George Re > wrote: > > > From: George Re > > Subject: Tiger shifter > > To: "Tony Somebody" > > > Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 3:07 PM > > Hi Tony: > > > > This is George Re I have a question is the a trick to > take > > the shifter apart > > I need to do this be for I send it out to the chrome > shop. > > I cant not find out how to get > > the reverse lock out piece out of the shifter. > > > > > > Thanks > > George > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, > your social networks, > and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com > today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp > %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) From sralsten at ca.rr.com Sat Nov 22 19:24:34 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:24:34 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Fan shroud and water tank Message-ID: <002601c94d12$a09e5190$6801a8c0@DELL4600> I swapped out my chrome parts for black. My new pieces are fairly glossy black. I thought it would be good to give both a repaint before putting in the car. What is the proper original finish for these ? Flat, med gloss, or gloss ? Thanks Steve B9473720 From rtscolgan at yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 20:04:55 2008 From: rtscolgan at yahoo.com (Russ and Tammy C.) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:04:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: motor placement from down under Message-ID: <66497.86166.qm@web50912.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I think it should be possible to drop the car body on to the motor with headers loosened as well as the motor mounts. It seems like it should slip right in. Any cautions or other procedures that I should be aware of? After a long long wait, I am about to get the car back from the paint shop. You know how anxious I am!!! Thanks, Russ From atwittsend at verizon.net Sat Nov 22 20:26:33 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:26:33 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Tiger shifter References: <178501.83267.qm@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9821A59EF07643D58835EB5C2D6A2BE6@student2> Tony, Don't take my word on this, but I have some recollection that the piece at the end (that is actuated when you pull the lever) where the bolts are, that piece is brazed in, and that is how it gets released. Now, be darn sure you confirm this because as I said it is a "recollection." Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1805 - Release Date: 11/22/2008 10:34 AM From achd73 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 22 21:57:04 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:57:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Tiger shifter In-Reply-To: <9821A59EF07643D58835EB5C2D6A2BE6@student2> Message-ID: <777766.35306.qm@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom- Thanks for the replay. the gent who rebuilds the Tiger and Cobra shifters, maybe in NY and also rebuilds the trannys if my memory is correct will answer the question, Im sure. Also we have less talk over weekends and by Mon. someone who has replaced the T handle or the spring will know. It may well be brazed but examining it makes the top end an easy place for one bolt, set screw etc an easy place to tighten the assembly and I dont see any braze on the one I have BUT it could be the grease. I do know I need the round buttons or half buttons for more than one shifter, so finding the person previously mentioned would be a good response for me and hopefully we can help George too. Happy Turkey day to all, a few days early but from my heart and to my friends. TtT From wwwdg at webtv.net Sat Nov 22 22:52:14 2008 From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:52:14 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger shifter In-Reply-To: "Thomas Witt" 's message of Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:26:33 -0800 Message-ID: The shifters I have taken apart are brazed or silver soldered at the lower end in the center of the pin/lock release which slides up and down inside the shift lever. After it is unsoldered (you will have to use a torch) the wire or cable can be slid out the top of the shifter and then the "T" lock out can be removed. David Franchi From wseay at embarqmail.com Sun Nov 23 07:34:37 2008 From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:34:37 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for Sale on Craigslist References: <972340.86158.qm@web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I guess one man's excellent is another man's POS. - Will B382001570 ____________________________ Will Seay wseay at embarqmail.com ----- Original Message ----- === Not sure how they can use excellent as an adjective for this car.. From DJoh797014 at aol.com Sun Nov 23 09:00:41 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:00:41 EST Subject: [Tigers] Fw: motor placement from down under Message-ID: That's a common method. I assume you will have removed the crossmember. Two guys can roll the car on the rear wheels, like a wheel barrow, until its over the engine. Then put jack stands on the frame just behind the wheel opening. Make sure the body is high enough to clear the cross member and front spindles. If your have not done so Resurface the pressure plate, replace the clutch. throw out bearing and pilot bearing. You'll regret it if you don't. I assume the hood and radiator are out. Position the engine lift and attach to the engine Lift the engine until a small hydraulic jack can be placed under the trans. Plug the trans to keep fluid from leaking out. A rag will do. You should have filled the trans when it was on the ground. Have you buddy jack the trans as you lift the engine. Once into the engine bay, lower the trans slightly to angle the engine up and move the engine into the radiator opening This should allow you to get the trans in position to move into the trans cavity. Now roll the engine back until you can attach the trans to its mounts. Now lift the engine until you can attach its mounts. When attaching the cross member, don't be surprised if one of the four bolts don't quite line up and want to cross thread. That's because the engine weight has spread the frame rails. Place a small jack under the oil pan using a 2x4 to spread the load, and jack the engine up just enough to take the weight. Noww all four bolts will go in corectly. Been there. Done that. Takes as much time to write this as to do. Dave Johnson In a message dated 11/22/2008 9:05:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, rtscolgan at yahoo.com writes: I think it should be possible to drop the car body on to the motor with headers loosened as well as the motor mounts. It seems like it should slip right in. Any cautions or other procedures that I should be aware of? After a long long wait, I am about to get the car back from the paint shop. You know how anxious I am!!! Thanks, Russ Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x 1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp%26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) From achd73 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 23 10:00:41 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:00:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: motor placement from down under In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <247475.54211.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dave and All- While respecting Dave to the max and know his Beam knowledge is in the top percentile. I have to say that using the lift plate mounted to the intake fixes the bottle jack under the trans. The plate has three lifting holes which allows the engine/tranny to be lifted level or tilted either direction while allowing the ability to lift the front or push down as well. It makes reinstalling the engine/trans from the top or the bottom a much easier task. Someone posted a url of the lift plate some months back and although mine is homade, using an orginal as a template, I cant imangine using any other tool to RandR any engine or engine and tranny, no matter what model auto and especially the Tiger. It doesnt work on a 1725 Alpine engine but anything with an intake becomes much easier. From rsdslp at juno.com Sun Nov 23 13:55:06 2008 From: rsdslp at juno.com (Robert Dobrowski) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:55:06 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Brake line routing Message-ID: <20081123.125507.-425579.0.rsdslp@juno.com> I have the Mastercool hydraulic flaring tool and I found it to be a very effective. It easily does both double flare and bubble flare on stainless steel tubing. On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:48:48 +0000 "Owain Lloyd" writes: > then again, this one is not too much more and can be used in place, > on the car. > > http://www.toolprofessional.net/MasterCool-Universal-Hydraulic-Flaring-To ol-Set/M/B00063YR2I.htm > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Owain Lloyd > wrote: > > guess i'm the guinea pig then! i'll order the HF one. this is > > exactly the sort of tool i normally would NOT get from HF but in > this > > case, it really does seem to be the same version as the eastwood > one > > so i'll take the chance. > > > > many thanks. > > > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:11 AM, Sandy Ganz > wrote: > >> Nice! Now to wait to see if it works, then I'll have to get one > too! > >> > >> Sandy > >> > >> > >> ____________________________________________________________ Fashion Design Education - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw3fAVB9AISl9zDgc1X6n8agrh6vuC9jEfdyFZof3Nnz8XTCi/ From rcsphx at qwest.net Sun Nov 23 16:38:16 2008 From: rcsphx at qwest.net (Richard) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:38:16 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] blower motor Message-ID: <75FC76703BB547A5A5507C240A4E8232@D4TDG641> The heater blower motor on the '67 MKII Tiger is siezed up and can not be repaired, Anyone know if there a replacement available? From DJoh797014 at aol.com Sun Nov 23 18:33:00 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:33:00 EST Subject: [Tigers] Fw: motor placement from down under Message-ID: By all means I would use a lifting plate if I had access to one. JC Whitney sells a device that lets you adjust the angle when lifting Al I had was chains attached to the manifold bolts and small hydraulic jack with wheels under the trans. By that was 26 years ago. Has it been that long? I may be getting old. I should have added that while the engine crane is attached, install the exhaust manifold (or headers) and starter. Dave Medicare starts in January. In a message dated 11/23/2008 11:01:27 A.M. Central Standard Time, achd73 at yahoo.com writes: Dave and All- While respecting Dave to the max and know his Beam knowledge is in the top percentile. I have to say that using the lift plate mounted to the intake fixes the bottle jack under the trans. The plate has three lifting holes which allows the engine/tranny to be lifted level or tilted either direction while allowing the ability to lift the front or push down as well. It makes reinstalling the engine/trans from the top or the bottom a much easier task. Someone posted a url of the lift plate some months back and although mine is homade, using an orginal as a template, I cant imangine using any other tool to RandR any engine or engine and tranny, no matter what model auto and especially the Tiger. It doesnt work on a 1725 Alpine engine but anything with an intake becomes much easier. Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) From mrlau at charter.net Sun Nov 23 19:12:23 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:12:23 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] blower motor In-Reply-To: <75FC76703BB547A5A5507C240A4E8232@D4TDG641> Message-ID: <20081124021206.DRBI128.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> Likely a lot of old cars motors will fit. They were pretty standard and will all be 12 volts. If you use one from a different car watch that it goes in the correct direction and just interchange the two wires to make it go the other direction. -- Bill -- -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 5:38 PM To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] blower motor The heater blower motor on the '67 MKII Tiger is siezed up and can not be repaired, Anyone know if there a replacement available? Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From atwittsend at verizon.net Sun Nov 23 19:46:53 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:46:53 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] blower motor References: <20081124021206.DRBI128.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: Richard, The motor from the MG Midget (with the mounting plate and fan) is a good replacement. My recollection is that it pretty much bolts right in. I just went to look (to make sure), but then I remembered that I pirated the motor/fan for my Turbo Pinto project. The motor is shorter, but don't let that fool you, the thing blows very well. Also, you have to run the motor backwards, but don't let that fool you either, it still blows very well. When I put the MG motor/fan in my Pinto the housing is much larger and the fan shorter. Yet it still moved a whole lot of air even running backwards - as stated above. I often find them at Pick A Part type yards - about $12. Tom. [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: 11/23/2008 6:59 PM From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun Nov 23 20:03:24 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:03:24 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] blower motor In-Reply-To: References: <20081124021206.DRBI128.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: I guess the toher option for a MKII is to find someone breaking a SV alpine, they should be the same and readily available.. most likely you will be getting a rebuildable core. if you are looking for new motors.. try MOSS uk... they seem to stock lots. -- Regards Michael King From cmccann at lwpb.com Sun Nov 23 20:18:50 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:18:50 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] blower motor In-Reply-To: References: <20081124021206.DRBI128.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> , Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD684709064733E0B037D4@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Richard, like michael just suggested, I have one out of a series V Alpine, and would be happy to give it to you, but I dont know of its condition. It was removed from a non running donor car for my Tiger. It came out in one piece, but I have no idea if its salvageable. I suppose I could connect the leads to a 12V Batt and see if it blows right? If so, its yours, or well its yours either way if you want it. Tomorrow evening when im home from work, let me try and test it and see if I can get it to blow or suck, then I'll let you know. Cullen Subject: Re: [Tigers] blower motor I guess the toher option for a MKII is to find someone breaking a SV alpine, they should be the same and readily available.. most likely you will be getting a rebuildable core. if you are looking for new motors.. try MOSS uk... they seem to stock lots. -- Regards Michael King From atwittsend at verizon.net Sun Nov 23 20:39:37 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:39:37 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] blower motor (CORRECTION) References: <20081124021206.DRBI128.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: Richard, I just ran across so other information I had. The motor/fan are from an MGB not a Midget. Sorry. Tom [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: 11/23/2008 6:59 PM From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sun Nov 23 22:23:35 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:23:35 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] blower motor In-Reply-To: <75FC76703BB547A5A5507C240A4E8232@D4TDG641> Message-ID: Richard I'm not sure why you say it can not be repaired unless there is way more wrong then the bushings. There is an Oilite style bushing on each end of the motor shaft which can dry up and seize. It is not that hard to get at them, clean them and let them soak in oil until they are saturated then they're good to go again. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 6:38 PM To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] blower motor The heater blower motor on the '67 MKII Tiger is siezed up and can not be repaired, Anyone know if there a replacement available? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1805 - Release Date: 11/22/2008 10:34 AM From prmnes at verizon.net Mon Nov 24 07:06:57 2008 From: prmnes at verizon.net (Paul Memont) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:06:57 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] blower motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <492AB501.9090007@verizon.net> Hi Richard, If I remember the motor is a Smiths. If that's the case it's the same as a Land Rover blower motor. Check Atlantic British, Rovers North or any of the many Land Rover parts vendors. Many parts are interchangeable. Paul Ron Fraser wrote: > Richard > I'm not sure why you say it can not be repaired unless there is way > more wrong then the bushings. > > There is an Oilite style bushing on each end of the motor shaft which can > dry up and seize. It is not that hard to get at them, clean them and let > them soak in oil until they are saturated then they're good to go again. > > Ron Fraser > > > > > The heater blower motor on the '67 MKII Tiger is siezed up and can not be > repaired, Anyone know if there a replacement available? > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1805 - Release Date: 11/22/2008 > 10:34 AM From Rollright at aol.com Mon Nov 24 12:15:39 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:15:39 EST Subject: [Tigers] heater blower motor Message-ID: Hello, My fan works as normal, but normal for this part is really bad. Has anyone found a bolt in replacement that really, really blows some air? I'm sick of the wimpy whisper from the stock heater fan. Somebody over the years must have found something markedly better. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) From dave at munroe.ca Mon Nov 24 13:27:53 2008 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:27:53 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] heater blower motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1CA6926B8D1F4AB69E8AD83798FF2457@DavePC> Jim and all; I put a relay on my heater circuit and couldn't believe the change in the volume of air coming out of the heater. Running all of the current through the wire loom and the heater switch creates resistance losses that are easily remedied with a relay. In fact, as we have often heard, just about every circuit on our Tigers should be on relays, to reduce the load on the switches, and provide a much more direct path to the lights, horns, wipers, etc But you will really notice the difference with your heater motor speed. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 3:15 PM Subject: [Tigers] heater blower motor > Hello, > > My fan works as normal, but normal for this part is really bad. > > Has anyone found a bolt in replacement that really, really blows some > air? > I'm sick of the wimpy whisper from the stock heater fan. > > Somebody over the years must have found something markedly better. > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE > > **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social > networks, > and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com > today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp > %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From todbrown at roadrunner.com Mon Nov 24 13:50:51 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:50:51 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Blower Motor Message-ID: <492B13AB.4090900@roadrunner.com> Richard: According to the CAT Shop Notes, the motor from a 1970 MG Midget is an exact replacement, but you can probably find lots of replacements since it was built by Smiths. I suspect they are all the same and made to rotate either way - just a matter of whether you had a positive or negative ground on the car. If all else fails, I believe I have one out of a Tiger II that I would be willing to part with if you would pay for the shipping. Tod B382002384LRXFE From fastsage at cox.net Mon Nov 24 14:41:20 2008 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:41:20 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] heater blower motor In-Reply-To: <1CA6926B8D1F4AB69E8AD83798FF2457@DavePC> References: <1CA6926B8D1F4AB69E8AD83798FF2457@DavePC> Message-ID: <492B1F80.5010902@cox.net> Hello Dave: Can you explain in a little more detail what you did....where the replay is in line with the heater, dash switch, etc.? I want to do that too on my puny heater motor. Thanks! Steve Sage Dave Munroe wrote: > Jim and all; > > I put a relay on my heater circuit and couldn't believe the change in > the volume of air coming out of the heater. > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11190 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From dave at munroe.ca Mon Nov 24 15:27:42 2008 From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:27:42 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] heater blower motor In-Reply-To: <492B1F80.5010902@cox.net> References: <1CA6926B8D1F4AB69E8AD83798FF2457@DavePC> <492B1F80.5010902@cox.net> Message-ID: <56E624E617214C048F98565A3910D25E@DavePC> Hi Steve; I hope this file comes through ok. Relay circuits are incredibly simple. The way the Tiger left the factory, power was supplied to the switch, and when the contacts were closed, the power was fed to the heater, headlights, etc. This put a lot of resistance in the circuit, with the really weak link being the contacts in the switch. When you introduce a relay to the circuit, all the dash-mounted switch has to do is pass enough current (much less than it takes to run the heater, for example) to throw the switch in the relay, which brings together much heavier contacts that send current down a dedicated wire directly to the heater motor from the power supply. There is a complication with the Tiger: because it has a low/high switch position, you either have to use two relays, or just put the relay on the "High speed" circuit, and don't use the low speed circuit, which is what I did. Check out the wiring diagram, and get back to me if you have any questions.. Cheers, Dave > Hello Dave: > Can you explain in a little more detail what you did....where the replay > is in line with the heater, dash switch, etc.? I want to do that too on my > puny heater motor. > > Thanks! > Steve Sage [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Relay Generic Wiring Diagram.jpg] From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Nov 24 23:36:02 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:36:02 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Hollywood sports cars suspension Message-ID: I was looking at the article on the hollywood sports cars Tiger and noticed that it appeared to have anti-tramp shocks. Owain from this list has sone.. can anyone confirm. A. Does the HSC car run the antitramp shocks B. If so are they original to the car? (i remember in the dales resto photos it seemed to have holes drilled where the shocks mount to the body for a second pair.. but thats a different thing all together) C. is anyone else running this setup.. what are pros and cons vs tramp bars and torque arms. here is a picsture.. highlighted the part in question. http://image55.webshots.com/755/4/25/59/2813425590054462410JxjABT_fs.jpg -- Regards Michael King From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Nov 24 23:43:35 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:43:35 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Hollywood sports cars suspension In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: here is another link for those who cant get it to work.. http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2813425590054462410JxjABT > I was looking at the article on the hollywood sports cars Tiger and noticed > that it appeared to have anti-tramp shocks. Owain from this list has sone.. > can anyone confirm. > > A. Does the HSC car run the antitramp shocks > B. If so are they original to the car? (i remember in the dales resto > photos it seemed to have holes drilled where the shocks mount to the body > for a second pair.. but thats a different thing all together) > C. is anyone else running this setup.. what are pros and cons vs tramp bars > and torque arms. > > here is a picsture.. highlighted the part in question. > > http://image55.webshots.com/755/4/25/59/2813425590054462410JxjABT_fs.jpg > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King From c_mottram at yahoo.com Tue Nov 25 10:36:42 2008 From: c_mottram at yahoo.com (Chris Mottram) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:36:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] The value of our cars Message-ID: <331221.86332.qm@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Looks like it may be a good time fill up the stable with more Sunbeams! (Or other ultra high end cars) Cut and paste the WSJ article link below. http://online.wsj.com/wsjgate?subURI=%2Farticle%2FSB122757588574055233-email.html&nonsubURI=%2Farticle_email%2FSB122757588574055233-lMyQjAxMDI4MjI3NTUyNzU1Wj.html Chris From motoys2001 at comcast.net Tue Nov 25 10:50:36 2008 From: motoys2001 at comcast.net (motoys2001 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:50:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Hollywood sports cars suspension In-Reply-To: <610724881.191051227635175919.JavaMail.root@sz0153a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <2039880220.192071227635436305.JavaMail.root@sz0153a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Michael and Listers, I am currently the caretaker of 2501, Barry Schonberger's SCCA Solo II Championship Tiger. He fabricated and installed a quad shock set up on this chassis, possibly inspired by the SVO Turbo Mustang rear suspension design. Along with the Traction Masters under ride traction bars, it behaves like a four link. I feel there is too much bind it the rear suspension as I can lift the rear outside tire in a (spirited) turn. I have seen a modified three link on a competition Tiger that appears to work nicely. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0dKzZ3FELY Respectfully, Henry V From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Tue Nov 25 12:19:46 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:19:46 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] heater blower motor In-Reply-To: <1CA6926B8D1F4AB69E8AD83798FF2457@DavePC> References: <1CA6926B8D1F4AB69E8AD83798FF2457@DavePC> Message-ID: <492C4FD2.2060801@SoCal.rr.com> Tigers, For adding relays, my cooling electric fan came with a "Bosch" type square relay box, and a plug-in receptacle. Makes a neat installation. For multiple relays, a set of relay sockets in 2 and 4 relay capacity are sold for these cube relays, and different number of poles and switching are available. This would allow multiple circuits to be switched, including the horns. If done with stock restoration in mind, added wiring, rather than re-wiring, would allow easy retrofit. Use appropriate wire gauge depending on current in the circuit. For a real bang-up job, multiple fuse blocks are also easily found. For a start, the Bill Gegg wiring diagrams are found at: http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmN35.asp Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Dave Munroe wrote: > Jim and all; > > I put a relay on my heater circuit and couldn't believe the change in > the volume of air coming out of the heater. > > Running all of the current through the wire loom and the heater switch > creates resistance losses that are easily remedied with a relay. > > In fact, as we have often heard, just about every circuit on our > Tigers should be on relays, to reduce the load on the switches, and > provide > a much more direct path to the lights, horns, wipers, etc But you will > really notice the difference with your heater motor speed. > > Dave From Cushcom1 at aol.com Tue Nov 25 12:22:11 2008 From: Cushcom1 at aol.com (Cushcom1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:22:11 EST Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: The value of our cars Message-ID: **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) Return-path: From: Cushcom1 at aol.com Full-name: Cushcom1 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:24:12 EST Subject: Re: [Tigers] The value of our cars To: c_mottram at yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5004 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain As a surveyor and consultant for the classic car industry, I can tell you the article is spot on. And prices in Europe are dropping faster than they are here on exotica. This is an excellent time to look for great deals on classics, particularly in the $30k-$50k value range. One fear among those in this business is that certain auction houses may try to artificially inflate the market in the coming months to the benefit of their commissions and the cars crossing the auction block in which they actually have a financial interest. Scottsdale will be interesting. jeff cushing Classic Auto Consultants **************One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Tue Nov 25 12:25:44 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:25:44 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Hollywood sports cars suspension In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <492C5138.4000106@SoCal.rr.com> Michael, I wonder if that picture is not a shock at all, but a tubular design traction axle control arm (ala Traction Master), but more rigid, and a link to the axle, rather than the spring. There are a number of designs for axle location bars. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com michael king wrote: > I was looking at the article on the hollywood sports cars Tiger and noticed > that it appeared to have anti-tramp shocks. Owain from this list has sone.. > can anyone confirm. > > A. Does the HSC car run the antitramp shocks > B. If so are they original to the car? (i remember in the dales resto photos > it seemed to have holes drilled where the shocks mount to the body for a > second pair.. but thats a different thing all together) > C. is anyone else running this setup.. what are pros and cons vs tramp bars > and torque arms. > > here is a picsture.. highlighted the part in question. > > http://image55.webshots.com/755/4/25/59/2813425590054462410JxjABT_fs.jpg From PhastPhill at aol.com Tue Nov 25 12:37:03 2008 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:37:03 EST Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: The value of our cars Message-ID: "The love of cars never outweighs the love of money," Mr. Gooding says. Thats a quote from the end of the article. Sure glad I don't feel that way!!!! From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Nov 25 12:38:00 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:38:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Hollywood sports cars suspension Message-ID: <68443.19196.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That is what it looks like but hard to tell. I had a set for the 65' mustang that I never used but were like a traction bar but really spring loaded for compression. Made by Afco Racing for keeping the springs from wrapping up but allowing some movement so you can wrap up for acceleration but be locked out for braking. That was my understanding anyway. Cobra Automotive is where I saw them on the mustang. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Steve Laifman To: michael king Cc: Tiger's Den Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 11:25:44 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hollywood sports cars suspension Michael, I wonder if that picture is not a shock at all, but a tubular design traction axle control arm (ala Traction Master), but more rigid, and a link to the axle, rather than the spring. There are a number of designs for axle location bars. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com michael king wrote: > I was looking at the article on the hollywood sports cars Tiger and noticed > that it appeared to have anti-tramp shocks. Owain from this list has sone.. > can anyone confirm. > > A. Does the HSC car run the antitramp shocks > B. If so are they original to the car? (i remember in the dales resto photos > it seemed to have holes drilled where the shocks mount to the body for a > second pair.. but thats a different thing all together) > C. is anyone else running this setup.. what are pros and cons vs tramp bars > and torque arms. > > here is a picsture.. highlighted the part in question. > > http://image55.webshots.com/755/4/25/59/2813425590054462410JxjABT_fs.jpg _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 16:09:36 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:09:36 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] HSC suspension part 2 Message-ID: OK, We have had a few suggestions regarding what that might be in the picture i posted of the HSC rear end. *Apparently tigers were listed to run lever shocks (who knows why) but i has been suggested that maybe the shock was modified to act as a lever damper, and used to control the rear axel.. *A Tubular design traction axle control arm (ala Traction Master), but more rigid, and a link to the axle, rather than the spring - this would be a similar setup to Owains anti-tramp shocks and to me looks really close to whats in the photo of the hsc car.. some pics of owains setup (hope you dont mind owain) http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/RearSuspension/slides/CIMG2997.html http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/RearSuspension/slides/CIMG2962.html http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/RearSuspension/slides/CIMG3001.html I probably confused people a little by mentining the quad shock setup.. but i though it was of note as in the resto pics that were on dales site there were what looked like mounts for an additional telescopic on each side. Perhaps this was part of that system.. or not. Perhaps he changed the top mounting point of the rear shocks to give them some more geometry for sideways axel control Does anyone have regular contact with the owner of the HSC car? (Dave stone?) I am always amazed at the relative obscurity of the car.. its likely one of the most famous Sunbeams, not to mention IMHO beautiful ones.. yet there are so few photos, articles or appearances by it. Its a car with so many fascinating modifications and details.. i would just love to know more. -- Regards Michael King From bobdixon at frii.com Tue Nov 25 16:31:01 2008 From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:31:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Tigers] HSC suspension part 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31980.205.169.195.66.1227655861.squirrel@users.frii.com> I'm sure Bill Martin would love to answer any questions about the Hollywood Tiger. Bill and Dale did the work to restore it. Bill Martin is at: http://www.rootesgroupdepot.com/ From Carmods at aol.com Wed Nov 26 09:36:10 2008 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:36:10 EST Subject: [Tigers] Sparto Reverse light bases Message-ID: Based on the number of people who expressed interest, we have completed the second run of reproduction bases for the Sparto reverse lights. The ones shown in the Book of Norman. Due to the latest economic conditions and other changes in priority's, some customers have had to back out so we now have a few sets available. If you are interested in purchasing a set of bases, contact: Rick Lara at _Lara2580 at sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:Lara2580 at sbcglobal.net) or (586) 247-0156 John Logan **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed Nov 26 10:00:08 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:00:08 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] brake hydraulics Message-ID: <39a841b0811260900g2b567b0bq9777945cb091b624@mail.gmail.com> after i installed the Dale A rear disc conversion, i experienced a strange situation which at first i thought was just that i needed to bleed more air out. i ignored it since i was installing new front brakes. now i've fitted the front brakes and bled the whole system again but the issue is still present. the problem is that when you first press the brake pedal, it sinks to the floor but if you let it up and press it again right away, the pressure is there and the brakes work fine. if you leave it a short while and press the pedal again, the same thing happens. note that the car is not moving so its not related to knock back where the pistons are pushed back in. topping the list of possible causes in my mind is that the master cylinder is not pushing enough fluid in one stroke to fill the caliper pistons. would that make sense? if so, instead of going to a 1" MC, i'm wondering if just a longer stroke MC would be sufficient. i may able to fiddle with the pedal ratio a little depending on where the MC pushrod is mounted. From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Nov 26 12:39:34 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:39:34 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] brake hydraulics In-Reply-To: <39a841b0811260900g2b567b0bq9777945cb091b624@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6F382F20A17E40BDA841895431F19343@ronpc1> Owain You seem to be on the right track. There are 2 position on the brake pedal, check the other position the one closer to the MC. Did you check or rebuild the MC? I had an internal spring problem once and the piston would not return to full stroke. You can probably check that by disconnecting from the pedal and pushing on the rod by hand to see if the piston is returning all the way every time. Dales rear disc conversion are the Mustang style rear calipers? I believe the hand brake needs to be cycled several times with this style caliper to take up the initial slack and then any time the pedal goes soft. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:00 PM To: tiger email list Subject: [Tigers] brake hydraulics after i installed the Dale A rear disc conversion, i experienced a strange situation which at first i thought was just that i needed to bleed more air out. i ignored it since i was installing new front brakes. now i've fitted the front brakes and bled the whole system again but the issue is still present. the problem is that when you first press the brake pedal, it sinks to the floor but if you let it up and press it again right away, the pressure is there and the brakes work fine. if you leave it a short while and press the pedal again, the same thing happens. note that the car is not moving so its not related to knock back where the pistons are pushed back in. topping the list of possible causes in my mind is that the master cylinder is not pushing enough fluid in one stroke to fill the caliper pistons. would that make sense? if so, instead of going to a 1" MC, i'm wondering if just a longer stroke MC would be sufficient. i may able to fiddle with the pedal ratio a little depending on where the MC pushrod is mounted. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1812 - Release Date: 11/25/2008 7:53 PM From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 26 15:28:04 2008 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:28:04 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Hollywood Sports car suspension link Message-ID: <004501c95016$40368ff0$6401a8c0@your03667082de> "I wonder if that picture is not a shock at all, but a tubular design traction axle control arm (ala Traction Master), but more rigid, and a link to the axle, rather than the spring. There are a number of designs for axle location bars." This may be the link shown in "The Works Tigers" page 351 (1965 SCCA Tiger Production list) or in the BON page 85 listed as LAT40, rear axle stabilizer rod (racing item only). It appears to be a Doane Spencer modification to control axel hop. One of the books said the LAT options were developed by Doane so thats why I think its his idea. Its shaped like a V with the apex having a tubular fitting with what looks like bolt ends on either side and the other two points have steering rack ends welded on each point. My guess is the steering rack ends are fitted to the axel and the other end is bolted to the frame thus stopping axel hop. Maybe someone on the list is a suspension guru and can tell us how it works Jeff From jkfqualbldg at cox.net Wed Nov 26 19:15:25 2008 From: jkfqualbldg at cox.net (Jeff Francis) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:15:25 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Message-ID: <008f01c95036$02975ce0$6601a8c0@quality4a2h1xa> This just popped up on Craigslist. I can check it out if anybody wants..... Jeff Francis - Virginia Beach, VA Tiger MK II From crbernardino at mac.com Wed Nov 26 21:13:20 2008 From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:13:20 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Pedal Pushers Pullover Rally 2008 Message-ID: <64E8664A-7BFC-4594-89FB-A2A9AC8EDF79@mac.com> Anyone know who owns this car? http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/PedalPushersRally/1004912458 Rob in CT 1966 Mk1A Tiger B382000262 LRXFE JAL660245 Color Code 39: Carnival Red From crbernardino at mac.com Wed Nov 26 21:34:59 2008 From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:34:59 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Pedal Pushers Pullover Rally 2008 In-Reply-To: <022e01c95048$a4d17e70$d3a78218@stevesdell> References: <022e01c95048$a4d17e70$d3a78218@stevesdell> Message-ID: <6E89C8B6-FF13-43DB-A8D5-389C18090B3A@mac.com> Just curious whenever I see a Sunbeam on a blog site. I think it is a nice car and looks like the drive was fun. Rob On Nov 26, 2008, at 11:28 PM, Steve Coleman wrote: > Why > > Best Regards, > > Steve Coleman > Cell: 408-603-3711 > > I do loan modififications. > TriStar Financial > 39899 Balentine Drive Suite 345 > Newark, CA 94560 > Office 510-353-9730 > Fax 510-440-1740 > www.tristarfinancials.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net > ] > On Behalf Of Rob Bernardino > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 8:13 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Pedal Pushers Pullover Rally 2008 > > Anyone know who owns this car? > > http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/PedalPushersRally/1004912458 > > > > Rob in CT > 1966 Mk1A Tiger > B382000262 LRXFE > JAL660245 > Color Code 39: Carnival Red > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.4 - Release Date: > 11/14/2008 12:00 > AM From jkfqualbldg at cox.net Thu Nov 27 06:49:52 2008 From: jkfqualbldg at cox.net (Jeff Francis) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:49:52 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: 1966 Sunbeam Tiger Sports Car (Portsmouth) Message-ID: <00a901c95097$065901b0$6601a8c0@quality4a2h1xa> Sorry, I forgot to attach the listing............ Jeff Francis - VA Beach, VA MK II Tiger ----- Original Message ----- From: rebelyell12345 at yahoo.com To: jkfqualbldg at cox.net Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: 1966 Sunbeam Tiger Sports Car (Portsmouth) rebelyell12345 at yahoo.com has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- 1966 Sunbeam Tiger Sports Car Reply to: sale-935178338 at craigslist.org Date: 2008-11-26, 1:43PM Classic model. Sports car convertible. V-8. 4 speed. Yellow exterior. Good condition. $35,000 or best offer Phone#: (757)729-1633 a.. 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Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1812 - Release Date: 11/25/2008 7:53 PM From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Thu Nov 27 15:11:19 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 14:11:19 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Pedal Pushers Pullover Rally 2008 In-Reply-To: <64E8664A-7BFC-4594-89FB-A2A9AC8EDF79@mac.com> References: <64E8664A-7BFC-4594-89FB-A2A9AC8EDF79@mac.com> Message-ID: <492F1B07.3010003@SoCal.rr.com> Rob, There are a great many "California" license plates shown. The Wayland's Meat sign reveals that the location is in Oakland, CA. "The Pedal Pushers" http://www.thepedalpushers.com/the-ladies.html is a club for lady owners of vintage European and American cars. They are located in the Bay Area, around Oakland CA, (hence no Palm Trees). No info on the Tiger in the rally. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Rob Bernardino wrote: > Anyone know who owns this car? > > http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/PedalPushersRally/1004912458 > > > > Rob in CT > 1966 Mk1A Tiger > B382000262 LRXFE > JAL660245 > Color Code 39: Carnival Red > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From robin02 at mindspring.com Thu Nov 27 18:00:47 2008 From: robin02 at mindspring.com (Robin Young) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 20:00:47 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] New vendor for LAT hoods Message-ID: <195BD25E3E244610B4831E3118043C7B@RobinLaptop> Nick Kintner and I ran into a metal craftsman at the car show on St. Armand's last month. He produces aluminum Cobras and Spyders with incredible workmanship. He looked over Nicks LAT hood and said he could make the part in aluminum and turn a hood around in about a week. HE is able to make the entire assembly or you can ship him your hood and he will reskin it in aluminum with the scoop and corner exhaust all done in aluminum instead of fiberglass. Check out www.alloycars.com. This might be a good source vendor if Kent Wilcox (?) does not want to continue to produce his version. RObin Young B9471769 From jkfqualbldg at cox.net Fri Nov 28 21:48:12 2008 From: jkfqualbldg at cox.net (Jeff Francis) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:48:12 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: 1966 Sunbeam Tiger Sports Car (Portsmouth) Message-ID: <001501c951dd$af640600$6501a8c0@quality4a2h1xa> Sorry, Craigslist wouldn't let me forward this from my sons acct..... Jeff Francis - VA Beach, VA MK II Tiger ----- Original Message ----- From: rebelyell12345 at yahoo.com To: jkfqualbldg at cox.net Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: 1966 Sunbeam Tiger Sports Car (Portsmouth) rebelyell12345 at yahoo.com has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. 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Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1812 - Release Date: 11/25/2008 7:53 PM From wowens at dslextreme.com Sat Nov 29 08:52:46 2008 From: wowens at dslextreme.com (wowens @dslextreme.com) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:52:46 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Pedal Pushers Pullover Rally 2008 Message-ID: Hi Rob, at first I thought it was my car, and then I realized that I missed the Pedal Pushers rally this year. Good folks, good rally. Contact: info at thepedalpushers.com to find out who was in the BRG sunbeam. Windsor > Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:13:20 -0500 > From: Rob Bernardino > Subject: [Tigers] Pedal Pushers Pullover Rally 2008 > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Message-ID: <64E8664A-7BFC-4594-89FB-A2A9AC8EDF79 at mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Anyone know who owns this car? > > http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/PedalPushersRally/1004912458 > > > > Rob in CT > 1966 Mk1A Tiger > B382000262 LRXFE > JAL660245 > Color Code 39: Carnival Red From rootes1 at earthlink.net Sat Nov 29 09:50:25 2008 From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 08:50:25 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Pedal Pushers Pullover Rally 2008 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe the guys on the Alpine list will know! http://www.classictiger.com/pictures/pedalpusher/pedal-pushers-alpine-02.jpg ncm At 07:52 AM 11/29/2008, wowens @dslextreme.com wrote: >Hi Rob, at first I thought it was my car, and then I realized that I missed >the Pedal Pushers rally this year. Good folks, good rally. Contact: > info at thepedalpushers.com > >to find out who was in the BRG sunbeam. [demime found a multipart/alternative section which it tried to parse but could not find any section which it could render. Please send plain text.] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1818 - Release Date: 11/28/2008 7:31 PM From Rollright at aol.com Sat Nov 29 14:15:06 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:15:06 EST Subject: [Tigers] Interesting Shelby 428 Mustang Message-ID: Hello, Just got a Restoration Hardware mailer with something unusual. - Front page announces a charity auction for " The One, The Only, The Legendary, Shelby Black Hornet". This is a "replica" (hmmm) of the Green Hornet prototype Mustang of yore. For more, see: RestorationHardware.com/Shelby At least, it would be a nice ride. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) From tiger at missiongranite.com Sat Nov 29 18:43:31 2008 From: tiger at missiongranite.com (Alan Zeni) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:43:31 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Interesting Shelby 428 Mustang References: Message-ID: <000b01c9528d$0cf1cf50$0200000a@wearezs.com> I guess I shouldn't have sold my GT/CS 390 4sp about 20 yrs ago. That was an insane car. Image the 428 CJ........... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 1:15 PM Subject: [Tigers] Interesting Shelby 428 Mustang > Hello, > > Just got a Restoration Hardware mailer with something unusual. > > - Front page announces a charity auction for > " The One, The Only, The Legendary, Shelby Black Hornet". > This is a "replica" (hmmm) of the Green Hornet prototype Mustang of yore. > > For more, see: RestorationHardware.com/Shelby > > At least, it would be a nice ride. > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE > > **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW > AOL.com. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From Landcmitch at aol.com Sat Nov 29 19:11:24 2008 From: Landcmitch at aol.com (Landcmitch at aol.com) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:11:24 EST Subject: [Tigers] Russo and Steele Tiger Message-ID: Tiger 9470741 sold last August in Monterey for $71,500. "angryjuan" tried to sell on ebay but only got a high bid of $40K. Now R & S have it back for their January auction. Think it will fetch $71.5K again? R & S also have a beautiful BRG Tiger in their auction. This might be a good indication of our cars' current value, as both these cars are in excellent condition. Charlie **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) From sralsten at ca.rr.com Sat Nov 29 22:04:12 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:04:12 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Russo and Steele Tiger References: Message-ID: <000801c952a9$163a7410$6901a8c0@DELL4600> Very odd situation with the white car. It appears to be authentic but I wonder if was discovered to be a conversion, or have a major flaw that is not being discussed. Maybe angryjuan took delivery then found it was not as represented and tried to sell it and has now convinced R&S to take the car back. Or maybe he just bought the car then lost his job or health. Maybe a Tiger dod not live up to his expectation. Who knows ? The BRG car is quite a ways from stock. It doesn't seem to have a pass side door release handle either. What is the spacer in the ammeter hole ? Almost looks like the clock spacer Rootes Group piece. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 6:11 PM Subject: [Tigers] Russo and Steele Tiger > Tiger 9470741 sold last August in Monterey for $71,500. "angryjuan" > tried > to sell on ebay but only got a high bid of $40K. Now R & S have it back > for > their January auction. Think it will fetch $71.5K again? > > R & S also have a beautiful BRG Tiger in their auction. This might be a > good indication of our cars' current value, as both these cars are in > excellent > condition. > > Charlie > **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW > AOL.com. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Nov 30 05:38:15 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:38:15 EST Subject: [Tigers] Russo and Steele Tiger Message-ID: I looked the car over at Russo & Steele this summer. I don't remember all the details, but there were pieces chromed that shouldn't have been and while overall it was a nice car, I have seen nicer Tigers, including my own. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity& ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk Sun Nov 30 15:47:47 2008 From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:47:47 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] mid engined tiger dragster Message-ID: I came across this while surfing - first mid engine Tiger I have seen http://gassermadness.com/reiter/more/sunbeam.jpg mafy - you may have some competition coming your way ! regards -- Jeff Howarth From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Nov 30 16:06:38 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:06:38 EST Subject: [Tigers] mid engined tiger dragster Message-ID: _http://gassermadness.com/reiter/more/sunbeam.jpg_ (http://gassermadness.com/reiter/more/sunbeam.jpg) I'd like to know what that runs. It's got some pretty serious stacks on it:-) **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Nov 30 17:35:17 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:35:17 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] mid engined tiger dragster In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49333145.4090504@mayfco.com> Hmmm....the credits on the lower left of the photo puts it in 2001. I think it is older than that. But, I am not worried. I don't think it would go 5 m iles wide open if it needed to go that far. LSR is not a drag race, lol. Still an interesting car. I wonder where it is today? mayf (not mafy, lol)... Jeff Howarth wrote: > I came across this while surfing - first mid engine Tiger I have seen > > http://gassermadness.com/reiter/more/sunbeam.jpg > > > mafy - you may have some competition coming your way ! > > > regards From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Nov 30 17:56:00 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:56:00 EST Subject: [Tigers] mid engined tiger dragster Message-ID: When is a chute required......10 seconds and under? **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) From MWood24020 at aol.com Sun Nov 30 18:02:53 2008 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:02:53 EST Subject: [Tigers] mid engined tiger dragster Message-ID: Here are the comments from the web page, re: B/Altered Sunbeam: This little Sunbeam Tiger was run in B/A by Bill Foster. Hmmm...bet that ain't a stock 260! Isn't really a Tiger but an Alpine, and it was powered by a 426 Hemi. It actually ran really well. Bill Foster was from near Yakima, Washington. I'm sure some further web searching could shed more light...regardless, what a cool drag car from "back in the day"! Mike In a message dated 11/30/2008 4:41:19 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, drmayf at mayfco.com writes: Hmmm....the credits on the lower left of the photo puts it in 2001. I think it is older than that. But, I am not worried. I don't think it would go 5 m iles wide open if it needed to go that far. LSR is not a drag race, lol. Still an interesting car. I wonder where it is today? mayf (not mafy, lol)... Jeff Howarth wrote: > I came across this while surfing - first mid engine Tiger I have seen > > http://gassermadness.com/reiter/more/sunbeam.jpg > > > mafy - you may have some competition coming your way ! > > > regards Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) From maliburevue at yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 18:26:35 2008 From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary Crandall) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:26:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] mid engined tiger dragster In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <132094.83071.qm@web33204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Can you imagine what it must be like to drive to keep that short wheel base pointed straight ahead with that amount of torque trying to bring the back end around??? --- On Sun, 11/30/08, CoolVT at aol.com wrote: From: CoolVT at aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] mid engined tiger dragster To: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk, tigers at autox.team.net Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:06 PM _http://gassermadness.com/reiter/more/sunbeam.jpg_ (http://gassermadness.com/reiter/more/sunbeam.jpg) I'd like to know what that runs. It's got some pretty serious stacks on it:-) **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Nov 30 18:46:48 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:46:48 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] mid engined tiger dragster In-Reply-To: <132094.83071.qm@web33204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <132094.83071.qm@web33204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49334208.80200@mayfco.com> Why, yes, yes I can, lol... that's what happens when the turbo spools on rapidly on really slick salt. If he raced it in NHRA then the wheel base is the same as mine, 90 inches. And I think that unless the car is stock as delivered from the factory, then 90 inches is the minimum. At least, thats what they told me when I started building my car. The good part of that is, is that the salt course is about a 100 ft wide with no barriers if it goes crazy. I like the car. mayf Gary Crandall wrote: >Can you imagine what it must be like to drive to keep that short wheel base pointed straight ahead with that amount of torque trying to bring the back end around??? > >--- On Sun, 11/30/08, CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > >From: CoolVT at aol.com >Subject: Re: [Tigers] mid engined tiger dragster >To: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk, tigers at autox.team.net >Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:06 PM > >_http://gassermadness.com/reiter/more/sunbeam.jpg_ >(http://gassermadness.com/reiter/more/sunbeam.jpg) > >I'd like to know what that runs. It's got some pretty serious stacks >on it:-) > > > > > >**************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW >AOL.com. >(http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive From srwick at hotmail.com Sun Nov 30 21:10:29 2008 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:10:29 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] mid engined tiger dragster In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe I can help. My oldest son lives outside Yakima and was running a 12 second turbo 4 Dodge Rampage at about that time at Renegade Raceway. I'll forward this to him and see if he knows anything about it. Steve (in N.Idaho) ----- Original Message ----- From: MWood24020 at aol.com To: drmayf at mayfco.com ; jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] mid engined tiger dragster Here are the comments from the web page, re: B/Altered Sunbeam: This little Sunbeam Tiger was run in B/A by Bill Foster. Hmmm...bet that ain't a stock 260! Isn't really a Tiger but an Alpine, and it was powered by a 426 Hemi. It actually ran really well. Bill Foster was from near Yakima, Washington. I'm sure some further web searching could shed more light...regardless, what a cool drag car from "back in the day"! Mike