From awtiger at cox.net Sat Mar 1 09:00:53 2008 From: awtiger at cox.net (Andy Walker) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:00:53 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] 260 intake casting numbers Message-ID: <5F07A67EEB2D42C6A5866C180AC77198@awtigerPC> Hey, all: Can anybody out there tell me what casting #s I should be looking for if I want to put an original 260 2 bbl intake back on my Tiger? Thanks for the help, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006957LRX From wseay at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 1 11:01:58 2008 From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:01:58 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 260 intake casting numbers References: <5F07A67EEB2D42C6A5866C180AC77198@awtigerPC> Message-ID: <000b01c87bc6$58662790$0301a8c0@xpseay> Andy, Casting # on my intake is C50E-9425D - Will B382001570 ____________________________ Will Seay wseay at embarqmail.com ----- Original Message ----- Hey, all: Can anybody out there tell me what casting #s I should be looking for if I want to put an original 260 2 bbl intake back on my Tiger? Thanks for the help, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006957LRX From mtjoy at telis.org Sat Mar 1 13:47:23 2008 From: mtjoy at telis.org (Mountjoy) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 12:47:23 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] shocking Message-ID: <003a01c87bdd$73a80840$1db90c45@computer> Just got home from the CAT board meeting and it looks like CAT will be making an order from Edelbrock for Tiger shocks. More info from Buck later. From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sat Mar 1 13:57:13 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 12:57:13 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] 260 intake casting numbers In-Reply-To: <5F07A67EEB2D42C6A5866C180AC77198@awtigerPC> References: <5F07A67EEB2D42C6A5866C180AC77198@awtigerPC> Message-ID: <47C9C329.3020308@SoCal.rr.com> Andy, TigersUnited.com has the Official Rootes Tiger Parts List. The "Engine" section has the original part numbers. For the "260" : http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/2-AF-EngineMotor.pdf The intake manifold is "C4OZ-9424-A" on page 6 of the PDF document. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Andy Walker wrote: > Hey, all: > > Can anybody out there tell me what casting #s I should be looking for if I > want to put an original 260 2 bbl intake back on my Tiger? > > Thanks for the help, > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE > B9006957LRX > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as slaifman at socal.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Sat Mar 1 14:02:03 2008 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 13:02:03 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Front shocks References: <000001c87aeb$a0dd9ac0$78b31840@ronpc1> <010401c87b17$e6b78430$6500a8c0@BigBlack> Message-ID: <002b01c87bdf$804777f0$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Hi Tim, We discussed the Edelbrock shock situation at a CAT meeting this morning and decided to "bite the bullet" and have Bill order another batch of 50 sets of the IAS shocks that Edelbrock custom engineeered for the Tiger. While Bill plans to talk to Edelbrock on Monday, I have no idea how quickly they can get to our order. Usually its less than a month.Once they come in, I expect they'll sell rather briskly. Buck Trippel CAT > Bill at CAT says they no longer have the Edelbrock > shock and the company is not making them unless they receive an order for > 50 > sets or more. I have a note into Edelbrock asking if there are any > remaining > sets to be had which seems unlikely. From awtiger at cox.net Sat Mar 1 15:59:40 2008 From: awtiger at cox.net (Andy Walker) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 16:59:40 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] 260 intake casting numbers In-Reply-To: <47C9C329.3020308@SoCal.rr.com> References: <5F07A67EEB2D42C6A5866C180AC77198@awtigerPC> <47C9C329.3020308@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <7EF4BBA727E241E3A9D236A59E6652C0@awtigerPC> Thanks, Steve, but I am looking for the casting number instead of the part number. The two are different, if only slightly. Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Laifman" To: "Andy Walker" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 intake casting numbers > Andy, > > TigersUnited.com has the Official Rootes Tiger Parts List. > > The "Engine" section has the original part numbers. For the "260" : > > http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/2-AF-EngineMotor.pdf > > The intake manifold is "C4OZ-9424-A" on page 6 of the PDF document. > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > Andy Walker wrote: >> Hey, all: >> >> Can anybody out there tell me what casting #s I should be looking for if >> I >> want to put an original 260 2 bbl intake back on my Tiger? >> >> Thanks for the help, >> Andy Walker >> Edmond, OK >> B382001600LRXFE >> B9006957LRX >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as slaifman at socal.rr.com >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >> >> http://www.team.net/archive From arado7 at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 1 16:22:55 2008 From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 18:22:55 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 260 intake casting numbers References: <5F07A67EEB2D42C6A5866C180AC77198@awtigerPC><47C9C329.3020308@SoCal.rr.com> <7EF4BBA727E241E3A9D236A59E6652C0@awtigerPC> Message-ID: <006e01c87bf3$2e1ea9d0$6401a8c0@GMI> Andy, The number on my original manifold is also C50E 9425D. Do you want carburetor tag number? Gary B9472283 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Walker" To: "Steve Laifman" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 intake casting numbers > Thanks, Steve, but I am looking for the casting number instead of the part > number. The two are different, if only slightly. > > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE > B9006857LRX > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Laifman" > To: "Andy Walker" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 2:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 intake casting numbers > > >> Andy, >> >> TigersUnited.com has the Official Rootes Tiger Parts List. >> >> The "Engine" section has the original part numbers. For the "260" : >> >> http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/2-AF-EngineMotor.pdf >> >> The intake manifold is "C4OZ-9424-A" on page 6 of the PDF document. >> >> Steve >> >> ___ >> Steve Laifman >> Editor - TigersUnited.com >> >> >> >> Andy Walker wrote: >>> Hey, all: >>> >>> Can anybody out there tell me what casting #s I should be looking for if >>> I >>> want to put an original 260 2 bbl intake back on my Tiger? >>> >>> Thanks for the help, >>> Andy Walker >>> Edmond, OK >>> B382001600LRXFE >>> B9006957LRX >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> You are subscribed as slaifman at socal.rr.com >>> >>> Tigers at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >>> >>> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as arado7 at sbcglobal.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From awtiger at cox.net Sat Mar 1 16:39:38 2008 From: awtiger at cox.net (Andy Walker) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 17:39:38 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] 260 intake casting numbers In-Reply-To: <000b01c87bc6$58662790$0301a8c0@xpseay> References: <5F07A67EEB2D42C6A5866C180AC77198@awtigerPC> <000b01c87bc6$58662790$0301a8c0@xpseay> Message-ID: <4FA9587982D341C6A5FE7518827380EC@awtigerPC> Thanks, Will, for the info. If your intake was on your car from the factory, then I must try to find a C50E intake...my car is only 30 later than yours. I have a "C4OE" intake on a spare 260 I've got but I figured that there may be a difference since our Mk1As are a bit later in production than most of the Mk1 run. Just for reference, the spare motor I have came out of a '64 Fairlane. Thanks, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Seay" To: Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 intake casting numbers > Andy, > > Casting # on my intake is C50E-9425D > > - Will > > B382001570 > ____________________________ > Will Seay wseay at embarqmail.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > Hey, all: > > Can anybody out there tell me what casting #s I should be looking for if I > want to put an original 260 2 bbl intake back on my Tiger? > > Thanks for the help, > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE > B9006957LRX > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as awtiger at cox.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From garywinblad at comcast.net Sat Mar 1 16:43:02 2008 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 23:43:02 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] 260 intake casting numbers Message-ID: <030120082343.8124.47C9EA0600012FD000001FBC22165514060B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net> If its an early MK1 like B9470622 it is: C4OE-8425 Gary -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Andy Walker" > Hey, all: > > Can anybody out there tell me what casting #s I should be looking for if I > want to put an original 260 2 bbl intake back on my Tiger? > > Thanks for the help, > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE > B9006957LRX From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 1 16:56:40 2008 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:56:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] 260 intake casting numbers In-Reply-To: <006e01c87bf3$2e1ea9d0$6401a8c0@GMI> Message-ID: <585143.60800.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My Mark I (B9461360) original 260 2V mainfold is C40E-9425. Apparently they went from C40E-8425 to C$0E-9425 at some point in the run of Mark I's. Bill Waite / Grand Rapids, MI B9471360 B382100437 arado7 at sbcglobal.net wrote: Andy, The number on my original manifold is also C50E 9425D. Do you want carburetor tag number? Gary B9472283 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Walker" To: "Steve Laifman" Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 intake casting numbers > Thanks, Steve, but I am looking for the casting number instead of the part > number. The two are different, if only slightly. > > Andy Walker > Edmond, OK > B382001600LRXFE > B9006857LRX > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Laifman" > To: "Andy Walker" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 2:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 intake casting numbers > > >> Andy, >> >> TigersUnited.com has the Official Rootes Tiger Parts List. >> >> The "Engine" section has the original part numbers. For the "260" : >> >> http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/2-AF-EngineMotor.pdf >> >> The intake manifold is "C4OZ-9424-A" on page 6 of the PDF document. >> >> Steve >> >> ___ >> Steve Laifman >> Editor - TigersUnited.com >> >> >> >> Andy Walker wrote: >>> Hey, all: >>> >>> Can anybody out there tell me what casting #s I should be looking for if >>> I >>> want to put an original 260 2 bbl intake back on my Tiger? >>> >>> Thanks for the help, >>> Andy Walker >>> Edmond, OK >>> B382001600LRXFE >>> B9006957LRX >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> You are subscribed as slaifman at socal.rr.com >>> >>> Tigers at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers >>> >>> http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as arado7 at sbcglobal.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From crabco at shaw.ca Sat Mar 1 19:25:34 2008 From: crabco at shaw.ca (Tim Webster) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:25:34 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Shocked and awed Message-ID: <000601c87c0c$b2505500$6500a8c0@BigBlack> Buck, Thanks for the decision by CAT to do this. One of the many great advantages of having an association... I will be talking to Bill G. about ordering a set for my car. Regards, Tim From awtiger at cox.net Sat Mar 1 21:07:56 2008 From: awtiger at cox.net (Andy Walker) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 22:07:56 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] 260 intake casting numbers In-Reply-To: <030120082343.8124.47C9EA0600012FD000001FBC22165514060B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net> References: <030120082343.8124.47C9EA0600012FD000001FBC22165514060B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7917361EF3DA447A910B00ED2B8DCE49@awtigerPC> Guys: Thanks a bunch for all the input. I know it's always dangerous to try to "pigeonhole" something on a Tiger, but it sounds to me like the earlier cars had the C4OE castings and the later cars had the C5OE castings. As I was telling an earlier respondant, I have a C4OE intake on a spare 260 engine out of a '64 Fairlane that I could use, but I'll see if I can locate a C5OE intake as well. Once again, thanks so much for all the help!!!! Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Andy Walker" ; Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 intake casting numbers > If its an early MK1 like B9470622 it is: > C4OE-8425 > > Gary > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Andy Walker" >> Hey, all: >> >> Can anybody out there tell me what casting #s I should be looking for if >> I >> want to put an original 260 2 bbl intake back on my Tiger? >> >> Thanks for the help, >> Andy Walker >> Edmond, OK >> B382001600LRXFE >> B9006957LRX From wseay at embarqmail.com Sun Mar 2 10:20:42 2008 From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 12:20:42 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 260 intake casting numbers References: <5F07A67EEB2D42C6A5866C180AC77198@awtigerPC> <000b01c87bc6$58662790$0301a8c0@xpseay> <4FA9587982D341C6A5FE7518827380EC@awtigerPC> Message-ID: <001f01c87c89$bea55850$0301a8c0@xpseay> Andy, That number is from the original intake manifold, and numbers match, and all that. I can get you casting numbers for the exhaust manifolds too, if you want. I had noticed that your VIN and mine only differed by 30. Possibly your cat and mine rubbed noses at the Jensen factory many years ago. - Will ____________________________ Will Seay wseay at embarqmail.com ----- Original Message ----- Thanks, Will, for the info. If your intake was on your car from the factory, then I must try to find a C50E intake...my car is only 30 later than yours. I have a "C4OE" intake on a spare 260 I've got but I figured that there may be a difference since our Mk1As are a bit later in production than most of the Mk1 run. Just for reference, the spare motor I have came out of a '64 Fairlane. Thanks, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Mar 2 10:33:45 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 12:33:45 EST Subject: [Tigers] 260 intake casting numbers Message-ID: Will, you mention the exhaust manifolds. As we know, one side...I think it's the driver's side is supposed to be a manifold that is only used by the Tiger. If Ford supplied the manifolds, which I think they did, it would be interesting to see where else this manifold might have been used. It's hard to believe that Ford would go to all the trouble of making a separate manifold just to be used on the Tiger. I can't remember what the original order for engines was from Ford, but I think it was only in the 100's. So, Ford had no guarantees that any more would be ordered. Doesn't make sense that Ford would develop a new casting for an order of just a few hundred. So, is this "special" manifold used elsewhere? Inquiring minds want to know:-) Mark **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From Rollright at aol.com Sun Mar 2 10:47:21 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 12:47:21 EST Subject: [Tigers] Offy shocks Message-ID: Hello, There are stock shocks, Spax, Koni, and now Offys. Can someone briefly state the advantages and differences between the aftermarket three? Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com In a message dated 3/2/2008 12:22:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tigers-request at autox.team.net writes: Just got home from the CAT board meeting and it looks like CAT will be making an order from Edelbrock for Tiger shocks. More info from Buck later. ------------------------------ Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Mar 2 10:53:07 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 12:53:07 EST Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust manifold Message-ID: Now I wonder who did manufacture the "special" manifold. Tiger parts list seems to show both a Ford and Rootes number for the left side, but only a Rootes number for the right side. Did Rootes have one side special made? Mark **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Mar 2 12:39:39 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 14:39:39 EST Subject: [Tigers] 260 intake casting numbers Message-ID: Ron, You are correct on the order for thousands rather than hundreds. I guess it was for 300 per month. The 300 is what stuck in my head. I guess an order of 4000 might justify a special manifold. As I am under my car and look at the exhaust, I can't see the necessity of a special manifold. The space on each side looks about the same to me. It looks like a normal manifold would physically fit. I wonder if anyone as tried a standard 260 manifold in the Tiger. I wonder if the special was for some reason other than space limitations. Mark **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sun Mar 2 13:38:55 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 12:38:55 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust manifold In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47CB105F.2040405@SoCal.rr.com> Mark, The reason for the number difference is that the RIGHT side was only made, by Ford, for Tiger. It is unique, due to engine compartment clearances. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > Now I wonder who did manufacture the "special" manifold. Tiger parts list > seems to show both a Ford and Rootes number for the left side, but only a > _*Rootes number for the right side*_. Did Rootes have one side special made? > Mark From atwittsend at verizon.net Sun Mar 2 14:29:09 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 13:29:09 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust manifold References: Message-ID: <002901c87cac$744ad6e0$0202a8c0@student2> Back when George Boskoff spoke at Mammoth he stated that he 'kept sending some kid to Ford to get different exhaust manifolds, - until he found what worked.' That doesn't preclude that Rootes didn't have Ford make a "better" manifold specifically for the Tiger. However, from Boskoff's comment I was left to believe that there was some manifold in the Ford parts bin (auto, industrial???) that did work. I'm also left to wonder why the manifold runs so close to the motor mount IF it is purpose designed for the Tiger? If it is true to the original it would be interesting to see what is on the Shelby proto-type. Tom From mrlau at charter.net Sun Mar 2 15:22:05 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 16:22:05 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust manifold In-Reply-To: <002901c87cac$744ad6e0$0202a8c0@student2> Message-ID: <20080302222210.ODDB17353.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> I always say that any money saved in production spells exactly that much profit. Just imagine how much it would have saved if someone found a way to use a part already made or just change one slightly. It is a lot cheaper to send someone to look real hard; however they didn't look real hard at Chrysler when they bought the Tiger to put their Mopar engine in it. Maybe they measured one on an engine stand and there was no distributor in it. -- Bill -- Back when George Boskoff spoke at Mammoth he stated that he 'kept sending some kid to Ford to get different exhaust manifolds, - until he found what worked.' That doesn't preclude that Rootes didn't have Ford make a "better" manifold specifically for the Tiger. However, from Boskoff's comment I was left to believe that there was some manifold in the Ford parts bin (auto, industrial???) that did work. I'm also left to wonder why the manifold runs so close to the motor mount IF it is purpose designed for the Tiger? If it is true to the original it would be interesting to see what is on the Shelby proto-type. Tom _______________________________________________ From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Mar 2 15:37:46 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 17:37:46 EST Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: Have you ever seen the Ken Miles' car? He took 2 Ford exhaust manifolds, turned them around and ran the pipes forward then down. This gave him lots of room for the Alpine steering but probably created other problems. I never thought of the idea of also having to satisfy a right hand drive car. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) From achd73 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 2 19:05:45 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:05:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] The other Hub In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <826930.38796.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well it was in the upper 60s today in southern IL. so I knew I should be at the shop working on the Tiger and the Harley. Both had very few miles last year and if possible and with the price of gasoline, both need driven more. Wish the HD had a 5 speed as I love the one in the Mk1-- NEways, I jacked up the other side, set the jack stand, pulled the wheel and worked hard removing the brake drum. the other side almost fell off but there is a machined fit on the hub and thats what was holding it tight. In time I smacked it in the right place and I was ready to try removing the hub- I started with a good dose of Kroil oil- the puller Im using has 3 arms(removeable as well)I wish it had four, since I had no broken lugs on this side. I got the two arms tightened equally with lug nuts and attached the puller. I was planning on torquing it tight, putting a 75 watt light bulb on the hub and let the kroil oil work its way inside. The compressor kicked on, so I knew I didnt have max air for the 1/2" drive impact but I kept tightening it, even tho it was almost ready to stop turning the push bolt and it popped right off. I was elated and although I gave it a bath prior to closing the shop up, I cant credit the Kroil oil. The main difference in the puller I used was I could only use two lug bolts as opposed to a puller designed to use all four and perhaps if pulling the axle,four might work better. After 36 years of Tigering this was the first time I had ever pulled the hubs. It wont be hard the next time as I guarantee I will emery cloth everything, make sure the key slides easily in both key ways and use a good coat of antisieze prior to reassembly.I had never considered it but there might be room to have the hub drilled to fit 5 bolt wheels.Im not doing so on this car but for racing purposes and the ease of finding 5 lug wheels, it doesnt seem impossible- the negative is the code I go by "change anything you want, just so you can change it back to stock and original". The other negative is I have no idea what I would do if I needed another hub or if other Dana rear ends has hubs of this nature- a good question for anyone who knows what Dana parts, besides the posi units will interchange with a Tiger Dana. Some Jags used a Dana rear end as did some mail Jeeps. I wonder what others we should be looking for when searching thru pica-parts or junkyards as they are around here- wish we had pic-apart places. Regards to the List and if you ever plan on pulling a hub- I have a puller that works if you need to borrow it. TonytheTiger ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From bobbridgeford at msn.com Sun Mar 2 19:13:29 2008 From: bobbridgeford at msn.com (Robert Bridgeford) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 18:13:29 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] more on your old Tiger Message-ID: Hi Steve, Sue has turned up some interesting information through her contacts. The title with Don Adams' name is likely to be authentic. The name on the title, C/O Licht #430 is actually the name and address of David Licht, Don's business manager, a fact that almost no one except insiders knew. Mr. Licht kept all of Don's personal records and managed his money and possessions. A forger in the car business wouldn't have likely known this. It seems she also knows Don's production assistant from the period, Nancy B., who is probably the woman you met who recognized the car. It seems she is a neighbor, so she is going to check with her and see if she remembers the car, the wheels, and the incident of meeting you. There is a picture of Don with a Tiger in his driveway dated 1981, and a video of his wife driving it at about the same date. The video shows a car with 2 bullet mirrors and no boot of any kind. We know that the earlier car had a metal boot, and ours as a Mark 1A has the vinyl. So these pictures don't help except to verify that Don still had a Tiger in 1981. Does that time period work with your purchase of our car from the Ventura owner? She has also heard from another source that Don lost the car in a poker game. I had heard this same rumor from Dick Sanders of the PTC in Seattle, but he couldn't remember where he heard it. She has a tape from the Adams CATS party in 2003 wherein he states that the Tiger was sent to the junkyard. We are still assuming that there was more than one Tiger, and waiting for the report from Dorothy Adams. Finallly, there are 3 people out there claiming to have the original Alpine from the show, each with rather sketchy documentation..... Best, Bob Bob Bridgeford 541 549 9539 Sisters OR 97759 From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sun Mar 2 20:01:33 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:01:33 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] more on your old Tiger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47CB6A0D.1020308@SoCal.rr.com> Bob, Thanks for the info. Since the only Alpine (that I know of) had a machine gun pop-up under the hood (not sure there was an engine), and the car Adams had after the Show was a Tiger. I am not sure how many Tigers were used, but later shows had a Karmann Ghia VW. Don't know if there were TWO Tigers, as I can't remember much use other than the Title screens. But, it was sometime ago, and I am only stating what I remember, and what is on the internet, and some things from CAT as a memorial. You may want to read, and see the pictures, on the Don Adams on TigersUnited.com: http://www.tigersunited.com/car_show/adams_d/default.asp You can clearly see the metal tonneau of his Mk I Tiger. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Robert Bridgeford wrote: > /Hi Steve, > > Sue has turned up some interesting information through her contacts. The > title with Don Adams' name is likely to be authentic. The name on the > title, C/O Licht #430 is actually the name and address of David Licht, Don's > business manager, a fact that almost no one except insiders knew. Mr. Licht > kept all of Don's personal records and managed his money and possessions. A > forger in the car business wouldn't have likely known this. > > It seems she also knows Don's production assistant from the period, Nancy > B., who is probably the woman you met who recognized the car. It seems she > is a neighbor, so she is going to check with her and see if she remembers > the car, the wheels, and the incident of meeting you. > > There is a picture of Don with a Tiger in his driveway dated 1981, and a > video of his wife driving it at about the same date. The video shows a car > with 2 bullet mirrors and no boot of any kind. We know that the earlier car > had a metal boot, and ours as a Mark 1A has the vinyl. So these pictures > don't help except to verify that Don still had a Tiger in 1981. Does that > time period work with your purchase of our car from the Ventura owner? > > She has also heard from another source that Don lost the car in a poker > game. I had heard this same rumor from Dick Sanders of the PTC in Seattle, > but he couldn't remember where he heard it. > > She has a tape from the Adams CATS party in 2003 wherein he states that the > Tiger was sent to the junkyard. We are still assuming that there was more > than one Tiger, and waiting for the report from Dorothy Adams. > > Finallly, there are 3 people out there claiming to have the original Alpine > from the show, each with rather sketchy documentation..... > > > Best, > > Bob > > > > Bob Bridgeford > 541 549 9539 > Sisters OR 97759 > / From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun Mar 2 20:26:21 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:26:21 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] more on your old Tiger In-Reply-To: <47CB6A0D.1020308@SoCal.rr.com> References: <47CB6A0D.1020308@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: I saw an episode on TV a while back that had the Tiger with a Hardtop on it and a large group of "agents" kept getting in till it was full.. sould be able to see if its a MKI or IA from the shot as it was a 3/4 aerial IIRC. As for the alpines a guy hasd some screen grabs from episodes.. 1 has a crashed sunbeam.. is a S3 by the looks with wires... and there was meant to be a car in NZ with a gun from the bonet in the late 90's? -- Regards Michael King From crabco at shaw.ca Sun Mar 2 20:45:26 2008 From: crabco at shaw.ca (Tim Webster) Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:45:26 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Ballast resistor Message-ID: <000a01c87ce1$04b3b0b0$6500a8c0@BigBlack> Fellow Listers, I am wondering if there is a good source for the Tiger ballast resistor? Apparently they are repro'd for the "57 T-Bird and it is pretty close to original. I bid on one tonight on eBay but there was a chap who needed it worse than me I guess. Any leads appreciated as usual. Regards, Tim From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 3 00:20:43 2008 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 23:20:43 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Ballast resistor In-Reply-To: <000a01c87ce1$04b3b0b0$6500a8c0@BigBlack> Message-ID: <004201c87cff$182b6160$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> Tim, Here is the repo part number Item#: ECHICR10 and a link http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=470&LineCode=ECH &PartNumber=ICR10&Description=Ignition+Coil+Resistor Cost is $9.49 not $75+. And the same seller sold a horn ring for $306.50 when they sell at SS for 97.50. Go figure? Ross Fellow Listers, I am wondering if there is a good source for the Tiger ballast resistor? Apparently they are repro'd for the "57 T-Bird and it is pretty close to original. I bid on one tonight on eBay but there was a chap who needed it worse than me I guess. Any leads appreciated as usual. Regards, Tim From TIGEROOTES at aol.com Mon Mar 3 10:56:35 2008 From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:56:35 EST Subject: [Tigers] The other Hub Message-ID: Tony wrote: I had never considered it but there might be room to have the hub drilled to fit 5 bolt wheels. Tony, Five lug Jaguar Mk-1 and Mk-2 saloon rear hubs will directly interchange with your four lug Tiger rear hubs. They have the common Chevy bolt pattern. A PTC member bought new hubs for his Tiger from a Jaguar parts supplier about five years ago. I haven't seen the finished job but I assume he had a machine shop drill his brake drums for the new bolt pattern. Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From mrlau at charter.net Mon Mar 3 11:17:46 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:17:46 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] The other Hub In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080303181751.MIJJ14098.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> If the lug pattern is correct the Chev. Drum and system likely could be easily swapped also. Jim, do you know if those Jag parts are tough to find or ridiculously expensive.-- Bill -- Tony wrote: I had never considered it but there might be room to have the hub drilled to fit 5 bolt wheels. Tony, Five lug Jaguar Mk-1 and Mk-2 saloon rear hubs will directly interchange with your four lug Tiger rear hubs. They have the common Chevy bolt pattern. A PTC member bought new hubs for his Tiger from a Jaguar parts supplier about five years ago. I haven't seen the finished job but I assume he had a machine shop drill his brake drums for the new bolt pattern. Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Mar 3 11:21:07 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:21:07 EST Subject: [Tigers] The other Hub Message-ID: They are available through Jag suppliers. The few that I found ran between $150-$190 each. Mark _www.xksunlimited.com_ (http://www.xksunlimited.com) **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Mar 3 11:24:38 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:24:38 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] The other Hub Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15760A192@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Doug Jennings can supply custom-drilled rear hubs in any bolt pattern (and for any stud knurl diameter or thread) you want. They're very nicely made, and I think I got mine a couple of weeks after placing the order. Theo From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Mar 3 12:10:38 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 19:10:38 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] The other Hub In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15760A192@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15760A192@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0803031110t66fc9e76ld84b3b37c440b3a2@mail.gmail.com> i can second doug's quality of work and turn around time. i had him do my a-arms and fulcrum pins. sent them off monday and had them back thursday. On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > Doug Jennings can supply custom-drilled rear hubs in any bolt pattern > (and for any stud knurl diameter or thread) you want. They're very > nicely made, and I think I got mine a couple of weeks after placing the > order. > > Theo > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From crabco at shaw.ca Mon Mar 3 12:14:21 2008 From: crabco at shaw.ca (Tim Webster) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:14:21 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Ballast resistor References: <004201c87cff$182b6160$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> Message-ID: <006c01c87d62$c974ef50$6500a8c0@BigBlack> Ross, I had a good hunt on the NAPA site but came up empty. Perhaps you could send a link to the part itself? I don't see a way to search part #'s on their site. Ron was right about NPD. They have one that looks identical to the one that went on Ebay last night for north of $75.00. It is listed as part # T-12250-1A with a price of $21.95 which is a bit more in line with the old budget. I too noted the horn ring getting bid way up. Nice to get all the springs and contact ring etc, but still a very high price. I would have thought maybe $150.00 but I was wrong. I shall buy a gross of resistors and retire gracefully on the eBay proceeds. I will send Ron royalties for the tip. Regards, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross" To: "'Tim Webster'" ; Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:20 PM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Ballast resistor > Tim, > > Here is the repo part number Item#: ECHICR10 and a link > > http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=470&LineCode=ECH > &PartNumber=ICR10&Description=Ignition+Coil+Resistor > > Cost is $9.49 not $75+. And the same seller sold a horn ring for $306.50 > when they sell at SS for 97.50. Go figure? > > Ross > > > Fellow Listers, > > I am wondering if there is a good source for the Tiger ballast resistor? > Apparently they are repro'd for the "57 T-Bird and it is pretty close to > original. > > I bid on one tonight on eBay but there was a chap who needed it worse than > me > I guess. > > Any leads appreciated as usual. > > Regards, > > Tim From Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Mon Mar 3 12:15:38 2008 From: Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:15:38 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Intake casting Number Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF08DB3C50@norn32.d30.intra> Guys, My original 2 barrel manifold number is C40E-9425 and it is a MK 1A Vin 382000680 so I question whether casting numbers changed for the run. Mine is a crossover body so perhaps there was a change after mine. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak at cox.net From Tigerman67 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 3 12:56:58 2008 From: Tigerman67 at hotmail.com (Tigerman) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:56:58 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] The other Hub References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15760A192@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: Just checking my memory, but the rear drums for the sunbeams are obsolete and near impossible to get aren't they? Would changing hubs, or custom drilling the hubs allow a brake drum from a different application to be used that isn't obsolete? Or is the cost by that point getting to the point that a rear disk conversion is in the same ball park? Thanks, Steve > Doug Jennings can supply custom-drilled rear hubs in any bolt pattern > (and for any stud knurl diameter or thread) you want. They're very > nicely made, and I think I got mine a couple of weeks after placing the > order. > > Theo From awtiger at cox.net Mon Mar 3 13:36:31 2008 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 15:36:31 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Ballast resistor In-Reply-To: <006c01c87d62$c974ef50$6500a8c0@BigBlack> Message-ID: <20080303153631.J11TL.119710.imail@eastrmwml03.mgt.cox.net> Tim: The NAPA site does show them, although the ones they have are the non-original style ceramic block-looking things. They don't look anything like the original unit but they will work. If you're looking for the old original style Ford unit, you're right...NAPA won't have that one. Those are the high dollar ones!! Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX From awtiger at cox.net Mon Mar 3 16:36:53 2008 From: awtiger at cox.net (Andy Walker) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 17:36:53 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Carb CFM rating Message-ID: Hey, guys: Got a question for those of you still running their original Autolite 2 bbl carbs. What CFM rating is the stock Tiger carb? More specifically, there is a CFM code on the driver's side of the float bowl behind the accelerator pump rod. It'll be numbers ranging from .98 to 1.33. What number is supposed to be on the stock Tiger Autolite 2100 2 bbl carb? Thanks, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX From wseay at embarqmail.com Mon Mar 3 16:45:31 2008 From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 18:45:31 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 260 intake casting numbers References: Message-ID: <001d01c87d88$ab25bae0$0301a8c0@xpseay> I think that we're forgetting that the Tiger came in both LH and RH drive variants. On the RH drive models the steering rack gets in the way of everything. Even the lower radiator hose has special fitments to get around the steering column. I would guess that you might be able to fit a standard Ford exhaust manifold on the RH side of a LH drive Tiger, but not on a RH drive. I wonder what the exhaust manifold of choice is for Alger builders. Headers? - Will B382001570 ____________________________ Will Seay wseay at embarqmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: CoolVT at aol.com To: rfraser at bluefrog.com ; wseay at embarqmail.com ; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] 260 intake casting numbers Ron, You are correct on the order for thousands rather than hundreds. I guess it was for 300 per month. The 300 is what stuck in my head. I guess an order of 4000 might justify a special manifold. As I am under my car and look at the exhaust, I can't see the necessity of a special manifold. The space on each side looks about the same to me. It looks like a normal manifold would physically fit. I wonder if anyone as tried a standard 260 manifold in the Tiger. I wonder if the special was for some reason other than space limitations. Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 3 19:26:24 2008 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 18:26:24 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Ballast resistor In-Reply-To: <20080303153631.J11TL.119710.imail@eastrmwml03.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <000901c87d9f$25496c20$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> Andy, I have a "Rare" yellow top coil and a matching ballast resistor as sold on eBay it has never been installed and is still in the packaging. Only $175.00 for the set what do you think? Ross :) P.S. On NPD the coil sells for $35 and the resistor for $20. Tim: The NAPA site does show them, although the ones they have are the non-original style ceramic block-looking things. They don't look anything like the original unit but they will work. If you're looking for the old original style Ford unit, you're right...NAPA won't have that one. Those are the high dollar ones!! Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Mar 3 20:42:08 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:42:08 EST Subject: [Tigers] Gas prices Message-ID: This is pretty nifty. > Just enter your zip code in the site below, and it tells > you which gas stations have the cheapest prices (and the > highest) on gas in your zip code area. It's > updated every evening. Just click on the link. You will > see a map of your area and then scroll down and you will > get a listing of gas prices in your area with addresses and > brands starting with the cheapest and going up. > > http://autos.msn.com/everyday/gasstations.aspx?zip=&src=Netx **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From bobdixon at frii.com Mon Mar 3 22:03:24 2008 From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 22:03:24 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 260 Pistons (again) Message-ID: <000e01c87db5$13ab86e0$4100a8c0@BobsDell> Hello sportsfans, I was just wondering if anyone had a secret stash of forged 260 pistons anywhere? Custom pistons are not exactly cheap. I'm trying to get 10:1 compression so I figure about a 5cc dome is necessary? I was also wondering if anyone might have a source for a forged crank? I'm toying with trying to do some vintage racing and RMVR won't let me run a 302 and it turns out the 289 I was going to use as a base had a questionable block and the crank had a crack :-( Thanks for any info, Bob 382001436 From tsmit at shaw.ca Mon Mar 3 22:53:33 2008 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:53:33 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 260 Pistons (again) In-Reply-To: <000e01c87db5$13ab86e0$4100a8c0@BobsDell> References: <000e01c87db5$13ab86e0$4100a8c0@BobsDell> Message-ID: <47CCE3DD.5020101@shaw.ca> If they'll let you run a 289 then do that... the extra displacement gives you power for no extra money spent. In fact, since the 289 is a lot more common than the 260, it's likely much cheaper to go 289 than 260. Will they let you run a 6 bolt block? Since it's correct for the Mk2 Tiger, there shouldn't be any issue in that direction. Spend your money on a good (lightweight, forged) crank with the 289 stroke. If they let you run a lightweight (steel or aluminum) flywheel, do that. You'll be amazed at the extra pick-up you get from the reduced inertia. Good luck, Theo From PhastPhill at aol.com Tue Mar 4 06:06:23 2008 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 08:06:23 EST Subject: [Tigers] Front shocks Message-ID: The PO of my car in 04 replaced the shocks in my car with Monroe sensa-trac shocks. Front # 5815 rear #5818, he got them at a NAPA store. I rebuilt my front end last year with new stuff including fulcrum pins from Doug and used these shocks again as they were just fine. Car drives fine with them as well.....cheers Phil From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 06:10:32 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 13:10:32 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] koni settings Message-ID: <39a841b0803040510n63120928r1e19074195be3630@mail.gmail.com> just thought i'd throw this out to get some opinions on an initial setting for the new style rear koni shocks. i'm replacing the old style koni's with new ones. i have new ones on the front set at half way, a 7/8" front sway bar, mod tiger rear springs (a little stiffer at 135#) and rear koni trac-bar horizonal shocks (an anti tramp setup). its for road use (with lots of fast cornering). should i start, soft, hard or in the middle? From todbrown at roadrunner.com Tue Mar 4 07:06:53 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:06:53 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Koni Settings Message-ID: <47CD577D.3090701@roadrunner.com> Message: 13 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 13:10:32 +0000 From: "Owain Lloyd" Subject: [Tigers] koni settings To: "Tiger List" Message-ID: <39a841b0803040510n63120928r1e19074195be3630 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 just thought i'd throw this out to get some opinions on an initial setting for the new style rear koni shocks. i'm replacing the old style koni's with new ones. i have new ones on the front set at half way, a 7/8" front sway bar, mod tiger rear springs (a little stiffer at 135#) and rear koni trac-bar horizonal shocks (an anti tramp setup). its for road use (with lots of fast cornering). should i start, soft, hard or in the middle? C'mon Owain, this is a family site! Tod B382002384LRXFE From Rollright at aol.com Tue Mar 4 07:13:34 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:13:34 EST Subject: [Tigers] copper, above engine water pipe joiners Message-ID: Hello, Someone commented within the last few weeks about their efforts to return a Tiger to original condition. During this note, they mentioned the difficulty of obtaining the copper joining tubes found on a stock 260, like tee connectors and the like. I found an assortment on _www.holden.co.uk_ (http://www.holden.co.uk) then go to the following: 'electrical', then 'heaters & electric fans', then 'heater accessories', then look down the page for these items in straight, tee, and y shapes in varying sizes. Hope this helps. Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From todbrown at roadrunner.com Tue Mar 4 08:34:07 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 10:34:07 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Intake Casting Number Message-ID: <47CD6BEF.2040308@roadrunner.com> My Tiger, B382002384, a late MkIA, has casting number C50E 9425D on the 2-bbl manifold. It also has the number 5A28 cast on the manifold in a different location. It looks like some kind of date stamp to me. Can anyone decode it? Tod B382002384LRXFE From wwwdg at webtv.net Tue Mar 4 08:41:58 2008 From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 07:41:58 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Intake Casting Number In-Reply-To: Tod Brown 's message of Tue, 04 Mar 2008 10:34:07 -0500 Message-ID: 5A28 cast on the manifold..is..1965, Jan, 28th. David From rcsphx at qwest.net Tue Mar 4 17:21:06 2008 From: rcsphx at qwest.net (Richard) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 17:21:06 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] starter Message-ID: <000e01c87e56$f09da690$6501a8c0@D4TDG641> Starter just went out on the MKII. I picked one up at Napa for a 66 Mustang with a 289...unfortunalely it is quite a bit longer than the one that I took out and it will not clear the exhaust pipe and the pan, so it will not work. I'll take it back tomorrow and see what else I can find. Thought I'd check the list and see if anyone has a source for a starter Thanks Richard From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 17:29:59 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 11:29:59 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Drop base air filter Message-ID: Does anyone use one of the air filters on their tiger with a dropped base so they can fit a deeper filter element and have a larger chamber of air to draw from. I have seen some K&N ones with a filter element on the top aswell. Just had the car tuned and jetted, was advised to drop the stock filter housing and K&N filter and go back to the triangle edelbrock i had previously with foam filter as it had more air in there.. but i was told if i could find a larger filter that would help. Just throwing the question out... -- Regards Michael King From marcsmall at comcast.net Tue Mar 4 17:52:46 2008 From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:52:46 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] FORD In-Reply-To: <000e01c87e56$f09da690$6501a8c0@D4TDG641> References: <000e01c87e56$f09da690$6501a8c0@D4TDG641> Message-ID: <20080305005405.7698618763D@autox.team.net> At 07:21 PM 3/4/2008, Richard wrote: >Starter just went out on the MKII. I picked one up at Napa for a 66 Mustang >with a 289...unfortunalely it is quite a bit longer than the one that I took >out and it will not clear the exhaust pipe and the pan, so it will not work. > >I'll take it back tomorrow and see what else I can find. > >Thought I'd check the list and see if anyone has a source for a starter You guys are the experts -- this Alpine guy just wants to know whether FORD stands for "FOUND ON ROAD DEAD" or does it mean "FUCKIN' OL' REBUILT DODGE"? 12,000 Worthless Rootes Points if someone can give me the angry response any western Virginia hillbilly would give you, and, yes, a bunch of these guys are kin at me: as a number of members on this List can tell you, I am just a hillbilly with some college degrees and that is why I don't get along with anyone! Yours in Rootes, Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From Drmoonstone at aol.com Tue Mar 4 17:57:52 2008 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 19:57:52 EST Subject: [Tigers] FORD Message-ID: I'd help,but unfortunitly the Chevy broke down on the side of the road so I've Got a Mechanic Coming Sean ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From nr.shaw at shaw.ca Tue Mar 4 18:08:49 2008 From: nr.shaw at shaw.ca (Norm Shaw) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:08:49 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Drop base air filter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601c87e5d$78829060$6987b120$%shaw@shaw.ca> I recently bought a drop base air filter at KMS tools and equipment hot rod department. I have attached a photo - hopefully it comes through. I can check at the store for make and part number if you wish. Norms Shaw British Columbia -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+nr.shaw=shaw.ca at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+nr.shaw=shaw.ca at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king Sent: March-04-08 4:30 PM To: Tigerlist Subject: [Tigers] Drop base air filter -- You are subscribed as nr.shaw at shaw.ca Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of DSCN0656.JPG] From marcsmall at comcast.net Tue Mar 4 18:00:32 2008 From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:00:32 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] FORD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080305011242.72D56187875@autox.team.net> At 07:57 PM 3/4/2008, Drmoonstone at aol.com wrote: >I'd help,but unfortunitly the Chevy broke down >on the side of the road so I've Got a Mechanic Coming > Well, I have heard that one, but usuall it is, "Generally Maintain Carefully", while AMC was, as you folks can figure out, "Always Maintain Carefully". There are some abbreviations of this sort for Dodge and Chrysler but they are not repeatable on a public forum, I fear! Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Tue Mar 4 18:17:03 2008 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:17:03 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Drop base air filter References: Message-ID: <001201c87e5e$a1aa3050$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> On our race Tiger, which has a very healthy 289, we run a K&N Xtreme top over a 2 inch paper standard filter. The diameter of the filter is about 10". It also has a hood scoop The bottom metal plate does drop down a bit. On the chassis dyno it made a bit more HP (3 or 4) with the filter on rather than off, which makes me think the filter is adequate. Buck Trippel > Does anyone use one of the air filters on their tiger with a dropped > base so they can fit a deeper filter element and have a larger chamber > of air to draw from. I have seen some K&N ones with a filter element > on the top aswell. From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 4 18:53:52 2008 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 17:53:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] FORD In-Reply-To: <20080305005405.7698618763D@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <483720.15970.qm@web82715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> FORD = "First On Race Day" or "Ford Out Runs Dodge." Marc James Small wrote: At 07:21 PM 3/4/2008, Richard wrote: >Starter just went out on the MKII. I picked one up at Napa for a 66 Mustang >with a 289...unfortunalely it is quite a bit longer than the one that I took >out and it will not clear the exhaust pipe and the pan, so it will not work. > >I'll take it back tomorrow and see what else I can find. > >Thought I'd check the list and see if anyone has a source for a starter You guys are the experts -- this Alpine guy just wants to know whether FORD stands for "FOUND ON ROAD DEAD" or does it mean "FUCKIN' OL' REBUILT DODGE"? 12,000 Worthless Rootes Points if someone can give me the angry response any western Virginia hillbilly would give you, and, yes, a bunch of these guys are kin at me: as a number of members on this List can tell you, I am just a hillbilly with some college degrees and that is why I don't get along with anyone! Yours in Rootes, Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! You are subscribed as fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From bamcnulty at optonline.net Tue Mar 4 18:56:35 2008 From: bamcnulty at optonline.net (Tony McNulty) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:56:35 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] FORD References: <483720.15970.qm@web82715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001c87e64$252cc6e0$0200a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Fix Or Repair Daily ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Waite" To: "Marc James Small" Cc: "Tiger List" Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] FORD > FORD = "First On Race Day" or "Ford Out Runs Dodge." > > > Marc James Small wrote: > At 07:21 PM 3/4/2008, Richard wrote: >>Starter just went out on the MKII. I picked one up at Napa for a 66 > Mustang >>with a 289...unfortunalely it is quite a bit longer than the one that I > took >>out and it will not clear the exhaust pipe and the pan, so it will not > work. >> >>I'll take it back tomorrow and see what else I can find. >> >>Thought I'd check the list and see if anyone has a source for a starter > > You guys are the experts -- this Alpine guy just > wants to know whether FORD stands for "FOUND ON > ROAD DEAD" or does it mean "FUCKIN' OL' REBUILT DODGE"? > > 12,000 Worthless Rootes Points if someone can > give me the angry response any western Virginia > hillbilly would give you, and, yes, a bunch of > these guys are kin at me: as a number of members > on this List can tell you, I am just a hillbilly > with some college degrees and that is why I don't get along with anyone! > > Yours in Rootes, > > Marc > > > > msmall at aya.yale.edu > Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! > You are subscribed as fordlandia at sbcglobal.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bamcnulty at optonline.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From mrlau at charter.net Tue Mar 4 19:49:09 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 20:49:09 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] FORD In-Reply-To: <20080305005405.7698618763D@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <20080305024915.SEBE17353.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> Marc, Please don't send filthy language to my site. You may talk that way but for me and my family, we don't. -- Bill -- At 07:21 PM 3/4/2008, Richard wrote: >Starter just went out on the MKII. I picked one up at Napa for a 66 Mustang >with a 289...unfortunalely it is quite a bit longer than the one that I took >out and it will not clear the exhaust pipe and the pan, so it will not work. > >I'll take it back tomorrow and see what else I can find. > >Thought I'd check the list and see if anyone has a source for a starter You guys are the experts -- this Alpine guy just wants to know whether FORD stands for "FOUND ON ROAD DEAD" or does it mean OL' REBUILT DODGE"? 12,000 Worthless Rootes Points if someone can give me the angry response any western Virginia hillbilly would give you, and, yes, a bunch of these guys are kin at me: as a number of members on this List can tell you, I am just a hillbilly with some college degrees and that is why I don't get along with anyone! Yours in Rootes, Marc From PhastPhill at aol.com Tue Mar 4 20:30:51 2008 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:30:51 EST Subject: [Tigers] starter Message-ID: If you want originality, take yours and get it rebuilt. Ford racing sells smaller gear reduction starters that work great,I use , I think an M-50. Lots more room and function. From PhastPhill at aol.com Tue Mar 4 20:32:12 2008 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:32:12 EST Subject: [Tigers] FORD Message-ID: ??????????????????// From CoolVT at aol.com Tue Mar 4 20:32:25 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 22:32:25 EST Subject: [Tigers] FORD Message-ID: I'll second that comment. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From artschroeder45 at msn.com Wed Mar 5 08:23:42 2008 From: artschroeder45 at msn.com (PRISCILLA SCHROEDER) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 08:23:42 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Header Options? Message-ID: Hi listers - after 20 years of scraping and crunching the bottom of my headers on terra firma, it's time for new ones. The only source I see out there is Rick - any better options? thanks, art B382000508LRXFE From todbrown at roadrunner.com Wed Mar 5 08:37:26 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:37:26 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Intake Casting Number In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47CEBE36.9010400@roadrunner.com> David: Since my car was produced in August of 1966, that implies that Rootes must have had a good supply of engines from Ford. It is interesting to note that the manifold that I have still has remnants of the blue paint that was original to my engine. Some others have said that their engines were painted black, so Ford must have changed the color at some point, implying that the engines may have been ordered in at least two batches. Tod B382002384LRXFE David or Gary wrote: > 5A28 cast on the manifold..is..1965, Jan, 28th. > David From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Mar 5 09:51:41 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 08:51:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure Gauge Fitting Message-ID: <400200.45697.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I sent out some gauges to be restored and was looking at the Oil Pressure gauge fitting and seemed like an odd compression fitting with a flat sealing surface not a 1/8" pipe or which seems typicaly on other gauges. I want to run a regular -4 AN fitting and lines from the engine, but not sure of the adapter to use. Doesn't look like familliar, but might be some standard british thing. This is on the Jaeger gauge. So anyone know of the fitting I'll be needing? Sandy www.gtsparkplugs.com Tony the 66' White Mk1A From mrlau at charter.net Wed Mar 5 11:01:29 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 12:01:29 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] starter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080305180135.VTFP17353.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> This is 100% correct. Likely all that went bad was the bearings or the contact point and it isn't that hard to take apart and do yourself or as suggested below take it and get it rebuilt. I'm leery of trade ins on old equipment anyway. When you get back home and find out it doesn't fit your core is already gone. -- Bill -- If you want originality, take yours and get it rebuilt. Ford racing sells smaller gear reduction starters that work great,I use , I think an M-50. Lots more room and function. _______________________________________________ From mark.rense at ge.com Wed Mar 5 11:03:45 2008 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 13:03:45 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] FORD In-Reply-To: <20080305011242.72D56187875@autox.team.net> References: <20080305011242.72D56187875@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Wow, such an education. And to think all these years I was told that FORD stood for Fastest On Race Day... Bugz :>) -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Marc James Small Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 8:01 PM To: Drmoonstone at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] FORD At 07:57 PM 3/4/2008, Drmoonstone at aol.com wrote: >I'd help,but unfortunitly the Chevy broke down on the side of the road >so I've Got a Mechanic Coming > Well, I have heard that one, but usuall it is, "Generally Maintain Carefully", while AMC was, as you folks can figure out, "Always Maintain Carefully". There are some abbreviations of this sort for Dodge and Chrysler but they are not repeatable on a public forum, I fear! Marc From scattt at verizon.net Wed Mar 5 15:48:59 2008 From: scattt at verizon.net (Scattt) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:48:59 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Ballast resistor References: <000a01c87ce1$04b3b0b0$6500a8c0@BigBlack> Message-ID: <005001c87f13$1a780ac0$6501a8c0@NicksDellPC> Tim: The repo ballast resistor is avaliable from National Parts Depot. The part # is T-12250-1A and the cost is $21.95. The phone # here in Florida is 800-874-7595. Hope this helps. Nick From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Mar 5 18:51:48 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 17:51:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure Gauge Fitting Message-ID: <842223.45969.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom - You're the man. I think that will do it for me. I'll poke around and find that fitting (JIC #3). The block is not a problem, the dart engine block uses at -10 AN in the block, and I have made an adapter out of an AN plug with 1/8" pipe for the fitting. I have both --3 and -4 fittings and line, likely better with the -3 but I hate working with the teflon braid and fittings, the -4 is easier but in thinking about it your right about using -3. Thanks a bunch for the insight! Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Tom Hall To: Sandy Ganz Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2008 4:35:13 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil Pressure Gauge Fitting At 08:51 AM 3/5/2008, you wrote: I sent out some gauges to be restored and was looking at the Oil Pressure gauge fitting and seemed like an odd compression fitting with a flat sealing surface not a 1/8" pipe or which seems typicaly on other gauges. I want to run a regular -4 AN fitting and lines from the engine, but not sure of the adapter to use. Doesn't look like familliar, but might be some standard british thing. This is on the Jaeger gauge. So anyone know of the fitting I'll be needing? The threads on the back of the OEM gage will be 27 thds/inch same as 1/8" pipe, except that the threads are straight and not tapered. A 1/8 female thread will seal on these threads if you use a Loctite thread sealant. The fitting you are seeking is a #3 JIC to 1/8 female pipe. I think you'll find that the #4 is a lot larger than necessary. These should be available in either brass or steel at a good fitting house. At the block, your looking at 1/4" taper pipe so a #3 JIC to 1/4 male will do the job. You might want to use a 45 or 90 at the block to angle the line (Teflon/stainless braid) in a better position. If you need numbers for these fitting, let me know. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net From drmayf at mayfco.com Wed Mar 5 23:04:51 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:04:51 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] 1990 - 1994 Lexus LS 400 Question Message-ID: <47CF8983.6020503@mayfco.com> Do any of you have the physical dimensions of the subject car and automatic tranny? I am thinking that would make for one cool motor for my Tiger and be a seriously smooth running mosheen... But I wonder if it will fit. The latest stuff inour u pickem parts place is circa 1975 or so.. so I have nothing I can look at. A web site would also be really good... mayf From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Mar 6 07:20:46 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 07:20:46 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 1990 - 1994 Lexus LS 400 Question Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15760A1AE@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> The same basic engine, probably with a larger intake manifold, is in my Tundra. It's even 4.7 liters - dunno the exact displacement in cubic inches, you might have to bore it a smidge to get 289 cid ;) . I can take some measurements if you want. The heads are big since they're dual overhead cam, though. Theo From sganz at pacbell.net Thu Mar 6 10:27:09 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:27:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure Gauge Fitting Message-ID: <255398.69677.qm@web82801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was poking through one of my catalogs late last night (Wife out of town) and found what looks to be the the correct fitting. I think the 1/8 Pipe would work, but this is what looks to be the right part and eliminates one more adapter. So -3 hose right to the gauge. The fittings are slighlty different then standard BSP threaded as the back if the gauge has a flat sealing surface which seems to be Smith/Jaeger standard. It's not much more cost then the adapter and a hose end so this looks to be problem solved. I was pretty sure someone had some magic part, I just can't imagine running that plastic tubing in a race car... I'm guessing it is a Goodridge part, but here is the link from pegasus racing for those interested - http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=3268 I'll get a couple and check it out. Looks right. Thanks again for the other solutions as well. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Tom Hall To: Sandy Ganz Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2008 8:56:39 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil Pressure Gauge Fitting At 11:04 PM 3/5/2008, you wrote: Tom, just looking at the standard AN fittings and they have the 1/8" pipe to -3 and -4 females, so as long as it gets tight and doesn't leak looks like simple solution. The AN's are easier to order from summit racing, and about 12 bucks from aeroquip so the hack of pipe thread on it hopefully will be the magic! You can also try placing a small o-ring in the fitting to see if it bottoms on the oil pressure gage, even if you had to shorten the face of the fitting to make that occur. That and some Loctite would give you a weep proof seal. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net From garywinblad at comcast.net Thu Mar 6 10:43:57 2008 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:43:57 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure Gauge Fitting Message-ID: <030620081743.24503.47D02D5D000430F100005FB722155786740B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net> CAT used to sell a complete stock replacement SS oil pressure gauge line that had the right fitting on it.. maybe they still do? I forget, it was a long time ago but I was able to adapt a standard cheap auto parts store plastic line kit.. I think I just used liberal amounts of teflon tape.. Gary -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Sandy Ganz > I was poking through one of my catalogs late last night (Wife out of town) and > found what looks to be the the correct fitting. I think the 1/8 Pipe would work, > but this is what looks to be the right part and eliminates one more adapter. So > -3 hose right to the gauge. The fittings are slighlty different then standard > BSP threaded as the back if the gauge has a flat sealing surface which seems to > be Smith/Jaeger standard. It's not much more cost then the adapter and a hose > end so this looks to be problem solved. I was pretty sure someone had some magic > part, I just can't imagine running that plastic tubing in a race car... > > I'm guessing it is a Goodridge part, but here is the link from pegasus racing > for those interested - > > http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=3268 > > I'll get a couple and check it out. Looks right. > > Thanks again for the other solutions as well. > > Sandy From Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Thu Mar 6 10:50:14 2008 From: Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 12:50:14 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Dyno Day at Superior Automotive Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF08E49B9E@norn32.d30.intra> Listers, Just a reminder that there is a Dyno day set for March 15 in Anaheim as I recall. I will be bringing two different versions of a Performance products piece called an "Air Flo" which mounts under the air cleaner lid and is purported to improve air flow into the carb in restrictive designed aircleaners. I have two versions ... both for Holley carbs. One is for a carb with a chock horn and the other is for a carb with the choke horn milled off. I have to modify both to work with the stock Tiger air cleaner and will do that before the event. The people that gave me the pieces absolutely want some feedback and I hope to provide that and perhaps even do an article for CAT. Can anyone that is attending let me know as I would like to assist in gathering the data for the event so it can be presented to CAT for publication. Please try and check what some of your engine specifics are so we can include those for other owners that may be contemplating similar combinations. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak at cox.net From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Mar 6 10:52:05 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 10:52:05 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure Gauge Fitting Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EDF5@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Pegasus is a great place. Of course, once you decide you need something from there you have to make it worth your while to place the order... kind of like going to Home Depot and coming back with $500 worth of stuff "just because we'll need it sometime". On my Tiger the PO's mechanic had replaced the plastic tubing with copper line. I was futzing with something down near the fitting on the engine when it basically fell apart in my hand - the tubing had been seriously crimped by the compression fitting bead, and the vibration and lack of strain relief did the rest of the work on that joint. I cut the copper line at the firewall and used a drilled-out 1/2" bolt and washer as a bulkhead adapter. On the instrument panel side I kept the copper line and on the engine compartment side I put a 1/8" pipe to -3 adapter. The nice part is that if you have to do any engine-out type of stuff you can easily remove the line at both ends without having to thread anything under the dash. Theo From sganz at pacbell.net Thu Mar 6 11:57:59 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 10:57:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure Gauge Fitting Message-ID: <901450.19087.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, I didn't end up just getting 2 fittings, just like the Depot, or Costco, you have to spend...Charge it! I almost would use the nylon over copper, but no real basis for it, and don't need either now which solves the problem. Also picked up a low oil pressure switch to hook to a bright light after learning that you can't always catch 0 psi from the gauge in time...Might make an adapter that give a mild electrical shock in the event of a problem ;-) Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "Smit, Theo" To: Sandy Ganz ; Tom Hall Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2008 9:52:05 AM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Oil Pressure Gauge Fitting Pegasus is a great place. Of course, once you decide you need something from there you have to make it worth your while to place the order... kind of like going to Home Depot and coming back with $500 worth of stuff "just because we'll need it sometime". On my Tiger the PO's mechanic had replaced the plastic tubing with copper line. I was futzing with something down near the fitting on the engine when it basically fell apart in my hand - the tubing had been seriously crimped by the compression fitting bead, and the vibration and lack of strain relief did the rest of the work on that joint. I cut the copper line at the firewall and used a drilled-out 1/2" bolt and washer as a bulkhead adapter. On the instrument panel side I kept the copper line and on the engine compartment side I put a 1/8" pipe to -3 adapter. The nice part is that if you have to do any engine-out type of stuff you can easily remove the line at both ends without having to thread anything under the dash. Theo From Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com Thu Mar 6 12:34:40 2008 From: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com (Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 11:34:40 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] 1990 - 1994 Lexus LS 400 Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: DrMayf writes: Do any of you have the physical dimensions of the subject car and automatic tranny? I am thinking that would make for one cool motor for my Tiger and be a seriously smooth running mosheen... But I wonder if it will fit. The latest stuff inour u pickem parts place is circa 1975 or so.. so I have nothing I can look at. A web site would also be really good... mayf While a V8 like that may be nice, there is a reason why most non-Tiger conversions are V6s - also crazy smooth engines. If you want to go modern like that, you may want to consider the Nissan V6 in its Zs and G35s. It probably also has a pick-em up truck version that allows for a forward/aft orientation of the engine. 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If you have received this communication in error, please immediately return this communication to the sender and delete the original message and any copy of it in your possession. ====================================================================== From hallmotors at cox.net Thu Mar 6 12:40:41 2008 From: hallmotors at cox.net (Hall Motors) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 13:40:41 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers for Sale Message-ID: <20080306193953.QEB24940.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> I'm looking to purchase a Tiger. I'd probably rather have a M1A, but would also consider a M1 or M2. I'm looking for a quality original or restored car in basically its original configuration (could be a little older restoration) with no signs of major damage/rust. I'd also like for it to have requisite mechanical upgrades (I don't know what these are, but would also like to know that, e.g. original Pantera's need a cooling system upgrade). Without inspecting it, the green car at the harwoodenterprises.com site appears to be a good example of what I'm looking for (evidently it is sold). The red car at fantasyjunction.com is also intriguing but seems to be a little pricey (I may be wrong and would like to know some current market pricing info as well). The red car on eBay is probably below the quality level I'm looking for. If anyone has leads, please call or email. Thanks & Best Regards, Brad Hall 316-990-6328 From drmoonstone at aol.com Thu Mar 6 15:14:29 2008 From: drmoonstone at aol.com (drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:14:29 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] FORD In-Reply-To: References: <20080305011242.72D56187875@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8CA4DEE94FD380A-688-3328@webmail-me04.sysops.aol.com> Found on road dead/Fix or repair daily. By the way, no such thing as duct tape, it's really Ford 100 mph tape/Ford Racing Tape. Moonstone From tigerfixer at yahoo.com Thu Mar 6 16:04:20 2008 From: tigerfixer at yahoo.com (Bill Martin) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 15:04:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Doug Jennings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <50566.90967.qm@web52301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Sorry to bomb the list but I heard that Doug Jennings Sr had an accident. I talked with Doug Jr today and it turns out Sr fell at home and bumped his head pretty bad and will be out of the shop for about a month. This happened a couple of weeks ago and I just heard about it today. Pretty severe concussion but Doug is doing fine and will be back at it soon. Bill ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From e.coiner at cox.net Fri Mar 7 13:37:08 2008 From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 12:37:08 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] FORD In-Reply-To: <8CA4DEE94FD380A-688-3328@webmail-me04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20080307153708.FTK98.110029.imail@fed1rmwml12> For Outstanding Road Durability ---- drmoonstone at aol.com wrote: > Found on road dead/Fix or repair daily. > By the way, no such thing as duct tape, it's really Ford 100 mph tape/Ford Racing Tape. > > Moonstone > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as e.coiner at cox.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From Greg.Koss at TRW.COM Fri Mar 7 13:53:25 2008 From: Greg.Koss at TRW.COM (Greg Koss) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:53:25 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] FORD In-Reply-To: <20080307153708.FTK98.110029.imail@fed1rmwml12> References: <8CA4DEE94FD380A-688-3328@webmail-me04.sysops.aol.com> <20080307153708.FTK98.110029.imail@fed1rmwml12> Message-ID: <47D164F6.880C.0076.0@TRW.COM> First On Race Day >>> 3/7/2008 3:37 PM >>> For Outstanding Road Durability ---- drmoonstone at aol.com wrote: > Found on road dead/Fix or repair daily. > By the way, no such thing as duct tape, it's really Ford 100 mph tape/Ford Racing Tape. > > Moonstone > _______________________________________________ From clarkjc at runbox.com Fri Mar 7 16:16:12 2008 From: clarkjc at runbox.com (John Clark) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:16:12 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] FORD In-Reply-To: <8CA4DEE94FD380A-688-3328@webmail-me04.sysops.aol.com> References: <20080305011242.72D56187875@autox.team.net> <8CA4DEE94FD380A-688-3328@webmail-me04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <47D1CCBC.5030303@runbox.com> Some of the ones for the competition are pretty good, too: Can Hear Every Valve Rap On Long Extended Trips - John From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 7 20:32:14 2008 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 22:32:14 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] What Ever Happened to .......? Message-ID: <001101c880cd$0127b690$6601a8c0@your03667082de> Check out the March issue of Motor Sport for a interesting article on Tiger AHP 295B, the winner of the 1965 Police Rally. After Rootes was done rallying the car, it was sold to Mike Combe. Mr. Combe turned it into a circuit car which I assume was raced. Although the article doesn't say where or when. Malcolm Sears bought it and developed the car into one of the fastest modsports cars in the UK. The photo in the article shows it with add on fender flares to cover the wide tires. Malcolm was having a very successful season when in September 9, 1971 he crashed it at Olton Park. The force of the crash pushed the engine and left front wheel into the cockpit. The car caught fire and Malcolm was severely injured, losing an eye and and was in a coma for three months. In addition, he was brain injured and stayed in a hospital for nine years. After the crash, the Tiger's mangled hulk lay rusting under a tarp before it was hauled away to Jones's scrapyard in Hertfordshire. "The Works Tigers" list the chassis as b9470015. According to Norm's book the car is listed as owned by B. Van Collier as of 2/91. The country is listed as SOAF. Was this car restored, there is a license plate listed, or is it a case of swapping vin plates? Jeff From mk1a67 at gmail.com Fri Mar 7 21:50:09 2008 From: mk1a67 at gmail.com (Cliff Alexander) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 20:50:09 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Dyno Day at Superior Automotive In-Reply-To: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF08E49B9E@norn32.d30.intra> References: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF08E49B9E@norn32.d30.intra> Message-ID: <8abbe6e00803072050q28f67048mefcbf9fb02596ea7@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone know of a good Dyno shop in the SF Bay area (preferably the North Bay) that does tuning and carb adjusts on the Dyno? Thanks Cliff On 3/6/08, Ronak, TP (Timothy) wrote: > > Listers, > > Just a reminder that there is a Dyno day set for March 15 in Anaheim as > I recall. I will be bringing two different versions of a Performance > products piece called an "Air Flo" which mounts under the air cleaner > lid and is purported to improve air flow into the carb in restrictive > designed aircleaners. I have two versions ... both for Holley carbs. One > is for a carb with a chock horn and the other is for a carb with the > choke horn milled off. I have to modify both to work with the stock > Tiger air cleaner and will do that before the event. The people that > gave me the pieces absolutely want some feedback and I hope to provide > that and perhaps even do an article for CAT. > > > > Can anyone that is attending let me know as I would like to assist in > gathering the data for the event so it can be presented to CAT for > publication. Please try and check what some of your engine specifics are > so we can include those for other owners that may be contemplating > similar combinations. > > > > Best Regards, > > Tim Ronak > Services Consultant > > Akzo Nobel Coatings > 23961 Via El Rocio > Mission Viejo, CA 92691 > > Bus: 949-305-5393 > Fax: 425-955-6268 > Cell: 949-289-3357 > email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com > Personal email: timronak at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mk1a67 at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From shutchin at netjets.com Sat Mar 8 18:48:36 2008 From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 20:48:36 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE Message-ID: Ok ladies and gents. Got an ebay special here.... What's the deal with the LRO instead of the LRX. Saw a few with this designation in my tbon, but not sure why... I love the b9473*** in the text of the ad. With a disclamer that the full serial # will be released to the buyer, and then a photo of the tag. Scott Hutchinson Assistant Director of Operations Netjets International Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 * ******** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. From v8tracker at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 22:21:42 2008 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 23:21:42 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001201c881a5$76e78350$6101a8c0@DellD4700> The "O" means "standard specifications" as opposed to the "X" which meant non-standard (North American) specifications. The car would have been originally delivered to one of the European countries where they drive on the left side of the road. A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > > What's the deal with the LRO instead of the LRX. Saw a few with this > designation in my tbon, but not sure why... > > Scott Hutchinson From cmccann at lwpb.com Sun Mar 9 11:43:38 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 13:43:38 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE References: <001201c881a5$76e78350$6101a8c0@DellD4700> Message-ID: yes, countries in Europe like Germany, I think, where they were sold but would still be left hand drive, unlike the united kingdom.... Additionally, what I understand is that the car would have been most likely privately imported in to the united states at some point. Im sure it could have been sold over a classified or on ebay.uk...or something and then shipped over at a hefty fee. I also understand that during times of war or if a serviceman is stationed overseas, he might buy the car and then decides to bring it back with him, that this has been done a few times over the years. I have an LROFE car, and according to a conversation I had with NCM when I first aquired the car, it was not on the registry, and if I understood him correctly at the time, there are only about 20 on the registry. I dont know if this makes them any more valuable but they are a bit rare. I always thought that an HROFE car would be cool...a right hand drive standard spec...Ive never seen one in person, but I have seen them on the net and such. another point of interest regarding "O" spec cars...They were not badged as Tigers, but rather Alpine 260's...so if you see an LRO..car with Tiger scripts, someone has put them on instead of the correct Alpine script, among a few other superficial slight differences...mainly trim and lenses and such. Here is a cool article on a car like that. http://www.sunbeamtiger.co.uk/catswhiskers/CW68alpine260.htm In that article at the time there were only 7 mentioned in Europe....this is an excerpt from that article: "STOC is aware of 6 Alpine 260's in France and one in Sweden. Whilst STOC has little knowledge of MKII Alpine V8s within the club register, it is known that a few were sold in Europe bearing the Alpine script." An HRO or LRO mk II would be just about the coolest tiger I could think of, simply because of its uniqueness... Cullen McCann B382001452 LROFE -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+cmccann=lwpb.com at autox.team.net on behalf of A. C. Tynes Sent: Sat 3/8/2008 11:21 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE The "O" means "standard specifications" as opposed to the "X" which meant non-standard (North American) specifications. The car would have been originally delivered to one of the European countries where they drive on the left side of the road. A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > > What's the deal with the LRO instead of the LRX. Saw a few with this > designation in my tbon, but not sure why... > > Scott Hutchinson You are subscribed as cmccann at lwpb.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From Landcmitch at aol.com Sun Mar 9 14:35:36 2008 From: Landcmitch at aol.com (Landcmitch at aol.com) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 17:35:36 EDT Subject: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE Message-ID: I'll bet that car could tell some stories if it could talk. What a shame. Pictures look like an autopsy report.... Charlie **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From shutchin at netjets.com Sun Mar 9 14:49:52 2008 From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 17:49:52 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE Message-ID: One vehicle. Needs Time, Dedication, Money. Might not be in that order though and I bet by the time you were done there would be another story to tell. Scott Hutchinson Assistant Director of Operations Netjets International Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 * ******** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Mar 9 18:46:57 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:46:57 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47D49311.4030906@mayfco.com> I finally got around to looking at the car. Yup, pretty rough. My car VIN is B9471136 . The vin tag on this car does not have the "B". What's up with that? mayf Scott Hutchinson wrote: >Ok ladies and gents. Got an ebay special here.... > >What's the deal with the LRO instead of the LRX. Saw a few with this designation in my tbon, but not sure why... > >I love the b9473*** in the text of the ad. With a disclamer that the full serial # will be released to the buyer, and then a photo of the tag. > > > >S From cmccann at lwpb.com Sun Mar 9 18:45:58 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:45:58 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE References: Message-ID: The condition of this one is close to what mine was like when I got it. I probably could not have afforded a fresh one or one without a story at the time anyway. I agree that car looks like it has been around the world, but hell, sometimes those are the ones with racing history and such. One interesting thing I noticed about the pictures is what appears to be a mk II grill in one of them in a stack of parts. Im not sure if a) its really a mk II grill, or b) its in good condition...but if it is a nice mk II grill I have seen those along sell for what the bid of the car is currently at. If it was the real thing I would consider that a major factor in assessing value for my bid towards the car if I were in the market. I inquired to the seller about a "buy it now" price, and offered them a little more than the bid is at currently, but he wasn't interested. From cmccann at lwpb.com Sun Mar 9 18:50:24 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 20:50:24 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE References: <47D49311.4030906@mayfco.com> Message-ID: ........dont know about the missing B, but from what Ive learned about identifying factory rivets, those certainly look original to me, I'm about 98% positive that tag has never been off the car. heres one for ya...my car didnt have the spec plate...and no holes where it would have been. Why did some have it and some didnt? Subject: Re: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE I finally got around to looking at the car. Yup, pretty rough. My car VIN is B9471136 . The vin tag on this car does not have the "B". What's up with that? From jim at island.net Sun Mar 9 19:07:24 2008 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:07:24 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006c01c88253$7bed8800$0300a8c0@JIMPC> ..." heres one for ya...my car didnt have the spec plate...and no holes where it would have been. Why did some have it and some didnt?"... There's some info on those spec plates on Norm's site ... quoting... The large "specification plate" is only proper for Tigers with chassis numbers beginning "B947". This is the correct arrangement of ID elements for early 1966 MK 1s with chassis numbers below "B382001200". The exact point at which a change order eliminates the drilling of cowls for a "spec. plate" that is no longer being installed, is still unknown. ( the picture shows a cowl with 4 rivets where the spec plate should be but no plate...mine is that way... 000446 ... and all Mk1A's approx. after 001200 and the MKII's had no holes OR plate...) -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann Sent: March 9, 2008 6:50 PM To: drmayf at mayfco.com; Scott Hutchinson Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE ........dont know about the missing B, but from what Ive learned about identifying factory rivets, those certainly look original to me, I'm about 98% positive that tag has never been off the car. heres one for ya...my car didnt have the spec plate...and no holes where it would have been. Why did some have it and some didnt? Subject: Re: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE I finally got around to looking at the car. Yup, pretty rough. My car VIN is B9471136 . The vin tag on this car does not have the "B". What's up with that? You are subscribed as jim at island.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From chris at cthompson.net Sun Mar 9 19:15:20 2008 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 22:15:20 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE In-Reply-To: <006c01c88253$7bed8800$0300a8c0@JIMPC> References: <006c01c88253$7bed8800$0300a8c0@JIMPC> Message-ID: <47D499B8.6010301@cthompson.net> Sadly, in my opinion this feller could make twice as much money parting out this Tiger as he will trying to sell it outright. A bonus is it's already in parts. Remember that feller, Chris, on the list years ago from Hawaii? After not selling his Tiger for what he wanted, he took it apart and sold it for twice what he wanted...... Curious state of affairs..... Chris From atwittsend at verizon.net Sun Mar 9 19:37:39 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:37:39 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE References: <006c01c88253$7bed8800$0300a8c0@JIMPC> <47D499B8.6010301@cthompson.net> Message-ID: <003601c88257$b59a67e0$0202a8c0@student2> >>>Remember that feller, Chris, on the list years ago from Hawaii?<<< Yea, it seemed a shame after going to all the trouble to bring the car to the mainland, in what seemed like less than a year's time it was parted out. It just didn't make sense (either way) to me. As I recall didn't someone take the body shell? I think he (Chris) was in Florida, Alabama, Louisiana or some where in the south when he parted it. Tom From v8tracker at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 21:05:18 2008 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 23:05:18 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE In-Reply-To: <47D49311.4030906@mayfco.com> References: <47D49311.4030906@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <001f01c88263$f4c82630$6101a8c0@DellD4700> I think I see a "B" faintly stamped over the "No" with the left side and lower loop somewhat visible when the picture is enlarged. Incidentally, the speedometer appears to be calibrated primarily in KPH with the MPH markings where we are used to seeing the KPH markings. Obviously it's a well-traveled Tiger. I would love to know more of its history and to see it restored. A. C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+v8tracker=gmail.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers- > > I finally got around to looking at the car. Yup, pretty rough. My car > VIN is B9471136 . The vin tag on this car does not have the "B". What's > up with that? > > mayf From stubrennan at comcast.net Mon Mar 10 05:01:41 2008 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (stubrennan at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:01:41 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE Message-ID: <031020081201.25700.47D52324000EFA3D000064642200751090020E02020A9D0D9A9B9C@comcast.net> FWIW, B382002452, built in the late summer or fall of '66, had no data plate, and no holes for rivets. Stu From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Mar 10 06:37:02 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 09:37:02 EDT Subject: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE Message-ID: I think most on this list would like to save every Tiger possible, but is this one savable? I guess I mean based on some kind of economic common sense. There's really not much there..a body with a few parts (that all need work), a frame for a top, seat frame and a few other things. I wonder what this would cost to put in reasonable shape if someone could do all of their own bodywork. It would definitely have to be a labor of love. Mark **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From cmccann at lwpb.com Mon Mar 10 06:38:09 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:38:09 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE In-Reply-To: <031020081201.25700.47D52324000EFA3D000064642200751090020E02020A9D0D9A9B9C@comcast.net> References: <031020081201.25700.47D52324000EFA3D000064642200751090020E02020A9D0D9A9B9C@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks Stu.....And that seems consistent with the information cited by Jim from the B.O.N....so that explains that. Thanks guys, at least I know B382001452 rolled off the factory floor like it was supposed too... I used to wonder why I got left out of the cool spec plate club.... Cullen Subject: Re: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE FWIW, B382002452, built in the late summer or fall of '66, had no data plate, and no holes for rivets. Stu From rjw at wengco.com Mon Mar 10 07:32:26 2008 From: rjw at wengco.com (Robert J. Wanty) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:32:26 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE Message-ID: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C566E5B4@weco1.wengco.com> My Tiger was about the same condition depending on what the bottom side looks like but I can imagine. Mine was drivable if you had a death wish and a chase vehicle. So 5 years later (my time except the finish body work and paint) and $5000 worth of Martel metal it is on the road. I still have a few finishing touches but it is basically done. I am happy with the outcome and on a scale of 1 to 10 I would judge it to be a 7. I have not tallied the receipts (too scared to) but judging by the eBay $$ I would guess that I am probably about even excluding my time. Bob B382001318 -----Original Message----- From: CoolVT at aol.com [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:37 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE I think most on this list would like to save every Tiger possible, but is this one savable? I guess I mean based on some kind of economic common sense. There's really not much there..a body with a few parts (that all need work), a frame for a top, seat frame and a few other things. I wonder what this would cost to put in reasonable shape if someone could do all of their own bodywork. It would definitely have to be a labor of love. Mark **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) You are subscribed as rjw at wengco.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1322 - Release Date: 3/9/2008 12:17 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1322 - Release Date: 3/9/2008 12:17 PM From tiger at missiongranite.com Mon Mar 10 09:41:58 2008 From: tiger at missiongranite.com (Alan Zeni) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:41:58 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] test Message-ID: <006c01c882cd$e1393b30$43f9d648@mgserver> This is a test to the list. My ISP was down for a couple of days and I want to make sure that the list didn't drop me. Sorry for the inconvenience.... From un-cole-a at juno.com Mon Mar 10 10:44:14 2008 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:44:14 GMT Subject: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE Message-ID: <20080310.134414.14902.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> All things considered I don't think it's that bad. I have seen worse that's for sure. I would hope that somebody would buy it and restore it, not to many Tiger running around with the background this Tiger probably has. I would hate to see it parted out. We have to start looking at the fact that they don't build Tigers any more and it would be more prudent for us to start restoring these Tiger instead of parting them out. I realize not all the Tigers can be saved but this one should be. This Tiger may go a low as $5K, and this would be a good buy considering it's unusual history. If I had the space for it I would buy it. I still have to finish getting B9470149 restored but this Tiger would be a good project. _____________________________________________________________ Click to get 150,000 in student loans and find the lowest rates http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m1pEo50YSjRxWqFq0awsidAA31 FjK3F18l4p06vc8zl8hqS/ From vegaslegal at aol.com Mon Mar 10 11:10:49 2008 From: vegaslegal at aol.com (vegaslegal at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:10:49 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Black and Red Tiger Message-ID: <8CA50F1347A9AAE-10FC-54D@webmail-ne14.sysops.aol.com> The Tiger currently listed on e-Bay, item no.?110230389401, has the following stated: "This is the only US Spec. MK1A with original red interior that is known to exist.? I am the fourth owner of this vehicle.?This car comes with the original order form that specifies jet-black paint with red interior."? A couple of years ago a Tiger in Vancouver?stated essentially the same thing.? The Tiger on e-Bay is B382000988.? I don't want to kill the rarity of my car, but these are not unique.? My car (B382000975) is a US Spec. MK1A, black (Color Code 1) with a red interior.??It's also a true transition car with a square hood and round trunk.? If the writer is talking about the red interior being original as opposed to replaced, while I have replaced the red interior with a replacement from Martha (Pro Prep), the original red interior with no holes is in a box.??Therefore, the claims are not true, and if the seller was mistaken, this corrects the record. Incidentally, as to provinence, this was a one owner car until acquired by me.??The former owner is a personal friend.??The vehicle was purchased new in the fall of 1966 from Walker Dodge in Van Nuys, California.? Bob Nersesian From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 11:33:04 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:33:04 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] gas prices Message-ID: <39a841b0803101133j65f9c024vf5cecd8ad773619@mail.gmail.com> thought i'd cheer you all up by telling you how much i just paid for gas in england. $9 a gallon! From bamcnulty at optonline.net Mon Mar 10 12:44:50 2008 From: bamcnulty at optonline.net (bamcnulty at optonline.net) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:44:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE In-Reply-To: <20080310.134414.14902.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080310.134414.14902.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: I've been seeing this thread, but seem to have missed the original post with pointers to the car. Would some kind soul please send me the original or at least something with a pointer? Thanks much. Tony McNulty ----- Original Message ----- From: "un-cole-a at juno.com" Date: Monday, March 10, 2008 12:46 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE To: tigers at autox.team.net > All things considered I don't think it's that bad. > I have seen worse that's for sure. > I would hope that somebody would buy it and restore it, not to > many Tiger > running around with the background this Tiger probably has. I > would hate to > see it parted out. > We have to start looking at the fact that they don't build > Tigers any more and > it would be more prudent for us to start restoring these Tiger > instead of > parting them out. > I realize not all the Tigers can be saved but this one should > be. This Tiger > may go a low as $5K, and this would be a good buy considering > it's unusual > history. > If I had the space for it I would buy it. I still have to finish > gettingB9470149 restored but this Tiger would be a good project. > > _____________________________________________________________ > Click to get 150,000 in student loans and find the lowest rates > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m1pEo50YSjRxWqFq0awsidAA31 > FjK3F18l4p06vc8zl8hqS/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bamcnulty at optonline.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Mar 10 12:51:51 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:51:51 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EE06@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> If the URL doesn't come through all on one line you'll have to piece it together. Theo From mrlau at charter.net Mon Mar 10 12:54:44 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:54:44 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] gas prices Message-ID: <20080310195454.UXSJ17353.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> Yes, but how hard is it to get the $9 there. The dollar is very low in comparison to European currency and consequently everything here is cheaper at the moment. -- Bill -- thought i'd cheer you all up by telling you how much i just paid for gas in england. $9 a gallon! From marden at mistral.co.uk Mon Mar 10 13:45:49 2008 From: marden at mistral.co.uk (marden at mistral.co.uk) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:45:49 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] WHAT IS IT!! Message-ID: <49653.1205181949@mistral.co.uk> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Hi to all my Tiger friends across the pond. Here is a good question! I have just been lucky enough to obtain what I think is a very rare car, but what is it. The car started out in its life as 1962 Harrington Alpine Le Mans but its third owner happened to be a certain Mr. John Horsman who had been in charge of the Aston Martin Race Programme and by this time was working with John Wyer as co founder and director of the famous GULF RACING TEAM (GT40, Porsche 917, Mirage, Le Mans etc., etc.). After a GT40 development visit by the Shelby/Ford guys a GT40 engine was left behind and John thought it a shame to waste it and knew it would fit because he'd seen the Tiger. The car was stripped and sent to his good friend Des O,dell back at the Rootes Competition workshop and was duly TIGERISED by Des/Rootes and returned to John at the FAV (Ford Advanced Vehicles) workshop where the GT40 team mechanics inserted the running gear. Hey Presto he had what I jokingly call a: SHELBY GULF SUNBEAM HARRINGTON LE MANS TIGER GT40 SPECIAL. It was used as a road going development car. The car was given to one of the mechanics after the GT40 programme closed and he barn stored it for 36 years. I tracked it down and made an offer he couldn't refuse. It still has its original engine etc and the log book (title papers) still show the owners as GULF RACING RESEARCH. I realise it is a converted Alpine but so were the Le Mans Tigers. As the conversion was carried out at the Rootes comp dept. I think its more of a Tiger special than a fake. Norman has it in his book as a fake. Comments please. Martin ------------------------- Message sent via KC WebMail - http://webmail.mistral.net/ From shutchin at netjets.com Mon Mar 10 13:48:34 2008 From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:48:34 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] WHAT IS IT!! Message-ID: Sounds like your usual complicated piece of history. I would be proud to own it!!! :) Scott Hutchinson Assistant Director of Operations Netjets International Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 * ******** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. From stubrennan at comcast.net Mon Mar 10 13:55:15 2008 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (stubrennan at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:55:15 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] WHAT IS IT!! Message-ID: <031020082055.24385.47D5A0330002B95C00005F412200735834020E02020A9D0D9A9B9C@comcast.net> Or, are we starting early on April 1 stories? Hopefully not, but keep us informed. Pictures? Stu From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Mar 10 14:44:54 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:44:54 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] WHAT IS IT!! Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EE08@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Hi Martin, It is what it is - calling it a Tiger won't make it one, and in my opinion cheapens the actual history and provenance of the car as you present it. Production Tigers bodies were built by Jensen. The Rootes preproduction Tigers were given 'AF' designators, and I'm not sure how many of those were built by Jensen and how many were built inside Rootes. If your car doesn't have an AF designation, and it doesn't have a Jensen build plate, then it's not a Tiger. I'd call it a John Wyer (Sunbeam Harrington) special, giving credit where it's due. Shelby had nothing to do with your car, and neither did Gulf. Anyone who knows anything will understand the significance of Wyer's involvement with the creation of the car and make the appropriate associations. Cheers, Theo From todbrown at roadrunner.com Mon Mar 10 15:07:22 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:07:22 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] LROFE and spec plate Message-ID: <47D5B11A.1080008@roadrunner.com> Hello All: I have seen a couple of Tigers over the years that were brought to the states by service men who were stationed in Europe. I know of one at present that resides here in Maine which was rescued from a barn that burned and restored. It has the Tiger script and stainless trim on the sides, but that may have been added by the owner when he restored it. As to the spec plates, I agree with Stu. My car B382002384LRXFE came off the line in late August of 1966 and never had the plate. Chrysler had taken over by then, so maybe that was the reason for the change. When did they start adding the pentastar, with B382001200 also? Tod B382002384LRXFE From laurin212 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 10 15:10:23 2008 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] WHAT IS IT!! In-Reply-To: <49653.1205181949@mistral.co.uk> Message-ID: <370189.85021.qm@web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> since you asked for comments...sounds awesome but too good to be true, please send links to pics, and please dont say it will be for sale but tied up in nigerian customs until the wire clears... (sorry, the new yorker in me) --- marden at mistral.co.uk wrote: > BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } > Hi to all my Tiger friends across the pond. Here is a good question! > I have just been lucky enough to obtain what I think is a very rare > car, but what is it. The car started out in its life as 1962 > Harrington Alpine Le Mans but its third owner happened to be a > certain Mr. John Horsman who had been in charge of the Aston Martin > Race Programme and by this time was working with John Wyer as co > founder and director of the famous GULF RACING TEAM (GT40, Porsche > 917, Mirage, Le Mans etc., etc.). After a GT40 development visit by > the Shelby/Ford guys a GT40 engine was left behind and John thought > it a shame to waste it and knew it would fit because he'd seen the > Tiger. The car was stripped and sent to his good friend Des O,dell > back at the Rootes Competition workshop and was duly TIGERISED by > Des/Rootes and returned to John at the FAV (Ford Advanced Vehicles) > workshop where the GT40 team mechanics inserted the running gear. Hey > Presto he had what I jokingly call a: SHELBY GULF SUNBEAM HARRINGTON > LE MANS TIGER GT40 SPECIAL. It was used as a road going development > car. The car was given to one of the mechanics after the GT40 > programme closed and he barn stored it for 36 years. I tracked it > down and made an offer he couldn't refuse. It still has its original > engine etc and the log book (title papers) still show the owners as > GULF RACING RESEARCH. I realise it is a converted Alpine but so were > the Le Mans Tigers. As the conversion was carried out at the Rootes > comp dept. I think its more of a Tiger special than a fake. Norman > has it in his book as a fake. Comments please. Martin > > ------------------------- > Message sent via KC WebMail - http://webmail.mistral.net/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as laurin212 at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > Peter Laurinaitis peter.laurinaitis.wg02 at wharton.upenn.edu From laurin212 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 10 15:22:44 2008 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] gas prices In-Reply-To: <20080310195454.UXSJ17353.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: <469021.72216.qm@web53612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> at least i still feel good about cheap tiger parts, i was at the amelia island concourse yesterday in FL and spoke to an old chap that had a '55 300sl gullwing (owned since new) and he was telling me about $800 distributor caps, while i was thinking about my $10 wal mart distributor caps... > > thought i'd cheer you all up by telling you how much i just paid for > gas in england. $9 a gallon! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as laurin212 at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > Peter Laurinaitis peter.laurinaitis.wg02 at wharton.upenn.edu From vegaslegal at aol.com Mon Mar 10 15:51:39 2008 From: vegaslegal at aol.com (vegaslegal at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:51:39 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] LROFE and spec plate In-Reply-To: <47D5B11A.1080008@roadrunner.com> References: <47D5B11A.1080008@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <8CA51186F6830C0-10FC-1BDE@webmail-ne14.sysops.aol.com> B382000975 came off the lot with a pentastar.? May have been added by the dealer though.? P.S. Having taken a solid original through a restoration, the car at issue seems an excellent candidate for parts with the rolling chasis getting an old 302 pulled from a Grenada, race paint, and some turns at the local roundy-round. -----Original Message----- From: Tod Brown To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 3:07 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] LROFE and spec plate From gswaybright at yahoo.com Mon Mar 10 16:30:21 2008 From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] WHAT IS IT!! In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EE08@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <959827.98536.qm@web31710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Were the Lemans Tigers built from Alpines or AF pre-production Tigers? --- "Smit, Theo" wrote: > Hi Martin, > It is what it is - calling it a Tiger won't make it one, and in my > opinion cheapens the actual history and provenance of the car as you > present it. Production Tigers bodies were built by Jensen. The Rootes > preproduction Tigers were given 'AF' designators, and I'm not sure > how > many of those were built by Jensen and how many were built inside > Rootes. If your car doesn't have an AF designation, and it doesn't > have > a Jensen build plate, then it's not a Tiger. > > I'd call it a John Wyer (Sunbeam Harrington) special, giving credit > where it's due. Shelby had nothing to do with your car, and neither > did > Gulf. Anyone who knows anything will understand the significance of > Wyer's involvement with the creation of the car and make the > appropriate > associations. > > Cheers, > Theo From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Mar 10 16:33:40 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:33:40 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] WHAT IS IT!! Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EE0B@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> It is documented that 7734KV is AF1... not sure about the other two. Theo -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Waybright [mailto:gswaybright at yahoo.com] Sent: March 10, 2008 5:30 PM To: Smit, Theo; marden at mistral.co.uk; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] WHAT IS IT!! Were the Lemans Tigers built from Alpines or AF pre-production Tigers? --- "Smit, Theo" wrote: > Hi Martin, > It is what it is - calling it a Tiger won't make it one, and in my > opinion cheapens the actual history and provenance of the car as you > present it. Production Tigers bodies were built by Jensen. The Rootes > preproduction Tigers were given 'AF' designators, and I'm not sure > how > many of those were built by Jensen and how many were built inside > Rootes. If your car doesn't have an AF designation, and it doesn't > have > a Jensen build plate, then it's not a Tiger. > > I'd call it a John Wyer (Sunbeam Harrington) special, giving credit > where it's due. Shelby had nothing to do with your car, and neither > did > Gulf. Anyone who knows anything will understand the significance of > Wyer's involvement with the creation of the car and make the > appropriate > associations. > > Cheers, > Theo From bamcnulty at optonline.net Mon Mar 10 17:16:10 2008 From: bamcnulty at optonline.net (Tony McNulty) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:16:10 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EE06@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <007c01c8830d$1c28d270$0200a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Thanks much -- I got it. Looks rough -- and no title. Could become a good campaigner? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smit, Theo" To: ; Cc: Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 3:51 PM Subject: RE: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE > emQQhashZitem250221778011QQitemZ250221778011> > > If the URL doesn't come through all on one line you'll have to piece it > together. > > Theo From atwittsend at verizon.net Mon Mar 10 17:30:39 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:30:39 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE References: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C566E5B4@weco1.wengco.com> Message-ID: <006b01c8830f$227a5610$0202a8c0@student2> I think it all depends on what you have $$$, and what your ability is (or aspires to be), and your devotion to the project. To me the secret with this particular car is not to make it pristine. It's to keep it a Tiger. There is some hearty soul out there who could patch this up with POR-15, fiberglass and homemade metal patches ( I made a lot of mine from computer case covers). His pride will glow when he over hears, "you should have seem what it looked like before." Though it will never compete in a concourse, he is likely to draw more attention to his "it's still on the road" Tiger than a score of 'nice enough, but nothing special' Tigers it is parked next to. And, the (knowing, but not disclosing) Alger owner will simply turns his head in shame knowing he has three time the cost in his..., a.., Sunbeam. OK, I don't know who you are lurking out there, but I just gave you the inspiration and motivation - get yourself to work and make it happen. ;-) Tom From Landcmitch at aol.com Mon Mar 10 18:02:20 2008 From: Landcmitch at aol.com (Landcmitch at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:02:20 EDT Subject: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE Message-ID: Attaboy, Tom. Charlie **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From chris at cthompson.net Mon Mar 10 19:37:47 2008 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:37:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE In-Reply-To: <006b01c8830f$227a5610$0202a8c0@student2> References: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C566E5B4@weco1.wengco.com> <006b01c8830f$227a5610$0202a8c0@student2> Message-ID: <47D5F07B.4030003@cthompson.net> I'm looking tomorrow at a $350,000 yacht that last week spent just 24 hours on the wrong surface of the Caribbean sea that I can probably buy for under $10K. And it looks a helluva a lot better than this Tiger. And just think - without folks parting out Tigers others wouldn't get back on the road. Lotsa parts still made of unobtanium. If we try to save every last Tiger, where will parts come from? Does it make sense to save every one? Chris B382000331 Thomas Witt wrote: > I think it all depends on what you have $$$, and what your ability is > (or aspires to be), and your devotion to the project. > To me the secret with this particular car is not to make it > pristine. It's to keep it a Tiger. There is some hearty soul out > there who could patch this up with POR-15, fiberglass and homemade > metal patches ( I made a lot of mine from computer case covers). His > pride will glow when he over hears, "you should have seem what it > looked like before." Though it will never compete in a concourse, he > is likely to draw more attention to his "it's still on the road" Tiger > than a score of 'nice enough, but nothing special' Tigers it is parked > next to. And, the (knowing, but not disclosing) Alger owner will > simply turns his head in shame knowing he has three time the cost in > his..., a.., Sunbeam. > OK, I don't know who you are lurking out there, but I just gave you > the inspiration and motivation - get yourself to work and make it > happen. ;-) > Tom > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as chris at cthompson.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From cmccann at lwpb.com Mon Mar 10 19:59:02 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:59:02 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE Message-ID: <018601c88323$e4d3e09f$0564a8c0@LWPB.local> Now this is just my opinion. Everybody gets one right? Personally, I think that yes its obviously good that parts are available for our tigers, but I don't think this one is at all bad enough to part out....I think we should save the parts cars for the badly wrecked, like totaled cars. I would be thrilled to build this car. I have saved far worse and had no regrets. I think we should try to save every savable tiger. there will still be plenty enough crumpled and destroyed cars to keep parts available. Plus with shops like sunbeam specialties, vic british and with donor alpine parts cars, a person can nearly build a complete car even if all they have is a body tub. Which this car is at least that to me. If not more. I do agree that with less other tigers on the road, ours might be worth a little more, but heck, there aren't that many out there now. But I vote to save this one. cullen B382001452 Subject: Re: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE I'm looking tomorrow at a $350,000 yacht that last week spent just 24 hours on the wrong surface of the Caribbean sea that I can probably buy for under $10K. And it looks a helluva a lot better than this Tiger. And just think - without folks parting out Tigers others wouldn't get back on the road. Lotsa parts still made of unobtanium. If we try to save every last Tiger, where will parts come from? Does it make sense to save every one? Chris B382000331 From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Mar 10 20:07:12 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:07:12 EDT Subject: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE Message-ID: I thought someone mentioned something about the unique history of this car. Is this the car they were talking about? If so, what was the history? I must have missed it. Mark **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From j_d_johnson at earthlink.net Mon Mar 10 23:06:46 2008 From: j_d_johnson at earthlink.net (J D Johnson) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:06:46 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] WHAT IS IT!! In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EE08@dsimail.ad.garmin.c om> References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EE08@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: Mike Taylor had a little different version of the Harrington Le Mans conversion story in STOC's "Cat's Whisker's" #11. Certainly brings into question the involvement of all the "high rollers". http://www.geocities.com/jds_johnson/jd_harrington_le_mans.jpg JD At 02:44 PM 3/10/2008, Smit, Theo wrote: >...(snip)..(snip)..I'd call it a John Wyer (Sunbeam Harrington) >special, giving credit >where it's due. Shelby had nothing to do with your car, and neither did >Gulf. Anyone who knows anything will understand the significance of >Wyer's involvement with the creation of the car and make the appropriate >associations. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1323 - Release Date: 3/10/2008 11:07 AM From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 23:23:43 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:23:43 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] What Ever Happened to .......? In-Reply-To: <001101c880cd$0127b690$6601a8c0@your03667082de> References: <001101c880cd$0127b690$6601a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: On 08/03/2008, Jeffrey Nichols wrote: > Check out the March issue of Motor Sport for a interesting article on Tiger > AHP 295B, the winner of the 1965 Police Rally. After Rootes was done rallying > the car, it was sold to Mike Combe. Mr. Combe turned it into a circuit car > which I assume was raced. Although the article doesn't say where or when. > Malcolm Sears bought it and developed the car into one of the fastest > modsports cars in the UK. The photo in the article shows it with add on > fender flares to cover the wide tires. Malcolm was having a very successful > season when in September 9, 1971 he crashed it at Olton Park. The force of > the crash pushed the engine and left front wheel into the cockpit. The car > caught fire and Malcolm was severely injured, losing an eye and and was in a > coma for three months. In addition, he was brain injured and stayed in a > hospital for nine years. > > After the crash, the Tiger's mangled hulk lay rusting under a tarp before it > was hauled away to Jones's scrapyard in Hertfordshire. "The Works Tigers" > list the chassis as b9470015. According to Norm's book the car is listed as > owned by B. Van Collier as of 2/91. The country is listed as SOAF. Was this > car restored, there is a license plate listed, or is it a case of swapping > vin plates? Jeff, IIRC around 1994/5 i heard a story about this car and what you said, it being written off and crushed. I heard that the family so upset with the accident had sent it to the crusher. Some time later someone had a shiney red restored Tiger with a white hardtop and showed it to Maclom exlplaining they had found and restored his old car, he passed over the green book or log book (whatever they call the documents in the UK) and the car was issued with the AHP rego. Not sure if the car is what it claims or not... but would be interesting to know the history. Also i'm sure you have all looked through the Norm Miller site and the issues with another "works" tiger thats currently for sale.. seems the buyer wouldn ot only be getting a non-works car.. but also a non-tiger. From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 04:42:56 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:42:56 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] engine mounting brackets Message-ID: <39a841b0803110442o2a0e2d33tc30201f5a8fe7e24@mail.gmail.com> there are 3 bolts that go from the wheel arch and hold the cast steel engine mount brackets to the frame. one of mine is loose and will not torque up. where is the threading for this located? is it a welded nut in the frame rail? if so, i'm not sure how that holds the bracket on - is the bracket itself threaded? any suggestions on a way to deal with this without pulling the engine? if its the bracket thats threaded could i safely tap the hole to the next size and use a larger bolt? thanks. From cmccann at lwpb.com Tue Mar 11 05:40:42 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:40:42 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark, I think people were just speculating that it probably had a unique history....one of those " if these fenders could talk" type conversations. I think that got started because its an LROFE car, meaning it was born to stay in Europe, but came over from some personal experience. Just a guess but its probably got some interesting history behind it. One of those grandmother tells the grandkids ...." Your daddy bought this nice little convertible while he was in the Navy stationed in Berlin, and found his wife, and brought both loves of his life back with him, back home in tenessee..." or something.. cullen ________________________________ Subject: Re: [Tigers] 9473127 LROFE I thought someone mentioned something about the unique history of this car. Is this the car they were talking about? If so, what was the history? I must have missed it. Mark From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 11 06:29:07 2008 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 06:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Pro Prep Contact Info Message-ID: <417580.1833.qm@web82713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'd appreciate it if someone could send me the e-mail address for Pro Prep interiors. TIA. Bill From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 06:31:50 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:31:50 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Pro Prep Contact Info In-Reply-To: <417580.1833.qm@web82713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <417580.1833.qm@web82713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0803110631t4384f7afkdc892153c83b6955@mail.gmail.com> Martha Christensen Pro-Prep Interiors 209 Nadine Ct.. Incline Village, NV 89451 (702) 833-2424 On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Bill Waite wrote: > I'd appreciate it if someone could send me the e-mail address for Pro Prep interiors. TIA. > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Mar 11 06:37:23 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 06:37:23 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] engine mounting brackets Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EE0C@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> The cast steel part is threaded 3/8 UNF. The holes in the frame have tubes set into them to keep the frame rails from getting crushed, so you can't just drill out the mount and use the next larger bolt size. You could use a Helicoil thread insert in the bracket. Theo From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 06:41:40 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:41:40 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] engine mounting brackets In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EE0C@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EE0C@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0803110641o7661db6dp198d6fe6bb7bc98b@mail.gmail.com> ok thanks. i think i'll suspend the engine on a chain, remove the bracket and put a keysert in it. i can then put new motor mounts in at the same time. the mount on that side seams to be all soft and gooey. On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Smit, Theo wrote: > The cast steel part is threaded 3/8 UNF. The holes in the frame have > tubes set into them to keep the frame rails from getting crushed, so you > can't just drill out the mount and use the next larger bolt size. You > could use a Helicoil thread insert in the bracket. > > Theo From mark.rense at ge.com Tue Mar 11 13:09:07 2008 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 16:09:07 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Engine Rebuild Experiences Needed In-Reply-To: <20080310195454.UXSJ17353.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> References: <20080310195454.UXSJ17353.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: All, I am looking for anyone's/everyone's experience on rebuilding the original Ford 260 engine. Specifically, I want to know how big an over-bore those Ford Industrial engine blocks can tolerate. I have heard anecdotal stories of thin walls causing overheating on over-bores over 0.030", but I have also been told these blocks are beefier and can go .060" or .080" over. I am NOT considering taking it out to the full 4.000" bore of the 289/302. I am working on a project which, if it proves feasible, will be of great interest to many Tiger owners wishing to keep their original engine. Thanks, Bugz From bob at hermitagewood.com Wed Mar 12 11:17:34 2008 From: bob at hermitagewood.com (Bob) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:17:34 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Engine Rebuild Experiences Needed Message-ID: <002f01c8846d$586efeb0$1450010a@in.dynetics.com> Several years ago I had my original tiger 260 block bored to the 289 bore size. The engine shop did not want to do this, and told me there would be nothing left once it was done. Obviously there was sufficient material to bore the engine, but then I was concerned about cylinder wall thickness. I did not have access to a sonic checker. Measuring in the water jacket between the cylinders, it looked like the remaining cylinder walls *might* have been 100 to 120 thousandths. Supposedly the thrust sides of the cylinders are thicker, but everything is suspect due to core shift unless you can sonic check it. In the end, I bought a 5 bolt 289 block and went to .030 over 289 pistons. I still have the machined 260 block in my garage, but why I am not sure. --Bob Bob Burruss 66 Tiger Mk1A #382000782 >All, >I am looking for anyone's/everyone's experience on rebuilding the original Ford 260 engine. > >Specifically, I want to know how big an over-bore those Ford Industrial engine blocks can tolerate. I have heard anecdotal stories of thin walls >causing overheating on over-bores over 0.030", but I have also been told these blocks are beefier and can go .060" or .080" over. I am NOT >considering taking it out to the full 4.000" bore of the 289/302. > >I am working on a project which, if it proves feasible, will be of great interest to many Tiger owners wishing to keep their original engine. > >Thanks, > >Bugz From Rollright at aol.com Wed Mar 12 11:39:23 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:39:23 EDT Subject: [Tigers] piston sizes Message-ID: Bugz, My rebuild this year, took the engine .030 over. I think the gating item is availability of oversize pistons. You might do a search on 260 pistons to see what you come up with. On the other hand, maybe you can go higher and use pistons that will work from some other application (for instance, when rebuilding an Aston DB 2 engine, people use Dodge Dart slant six valves, supposedly better and much cheaper. And mine runs fine!) Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Wed Mar 12 11:49:58 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:49:58 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Engine Rebuild Experiences Needed In-Reply-To: <002f01c8846d$586efeb0$1450010a@in.dynetics.com> References: <002f01c8846d$586efeb0$1450010a@in.dynetics.com> Message-ID: <47D825D6.4050001@SoCal.rr.com> Bob, As I recall, the industrial Tiger "260" was not the same block as the production passenger car "260" (see freeze plug count). And the casting method of the "289" differed in that some cylinders were "siamesed" to allow wall thickness for the bigger bore. ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Bob wrote: > Several years ago I had my original tiger 260 block bored to the 289 bore > size. The engine shop did not want to do this, and told me there would be > nothing left once it was done. Obviously there was sufficient material to > bore the engine, but then I was concerned about cylinder wall thickness. I > did not have access to a sonic checker. Measuring in the water jacket > between the cylinders, it looked like the remaining cylinder walls *might* > have been 100 to 120 thousandths. Supposedly the thrust sides of the > cylinders are thicker, but everything is suspect due to core shift unless > you can sonic check it. In the end, I bought a 5 bolt 289 block and went > to .030 over 289 pistons. I still have the machined 260 block in my > garage, but why I am not sure. > > > > Bob Burruss > > 66 Tiger Mk1A #382000782 > > > >> All, >> >> I am looking for anyone's/everyone's experience on rebuilding the original >> > Ford 260 engine. > > > > >> Specifically, I want to know how big an over-bore those Ford Industrial >> > engine blocks can tolerate. I have heard anecdotal stories of thin walls > >> causing overheating on over-bores over 0.030", but I have also been told >> > these blocks are beefier and can go .060" or .080" over. I am NOT > >> considering taking it out to the full 4.000" bore of the 289/302. >> > > > > >> I am working on a project which, if it proves feasible, will be of great >> > interest to many Tiger owners wishing to keep their original engine. > > > > >> Thanks, >> > > > > >> Bugz >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as slaifman at socal.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From bobdixon at frii.com Wed Mar 12 20:42:46 2008 From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:42:46 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] piston sizes References: Message-ID: <000c01c884bc$4d846720$4100a8c0@BobsDell> I have been looking at this a lot lately. Looks like off-the-shelf for Ford 2.3L you can get compression distances of 1.585, 1.590, and 1.610 (the 260 is 1.60). Bore sizes in 3.81, 3.82, 3.83 and some others. The pistons are not all that cheap though, but better than custom. Seems like finding off-the-shelf pistons specifically for a 260 is about impossible these days. Here is the goofiest scheme I have so far: 5.7" rods 1.090" compression height pistons from a 2.3L Ford Compressed gasket of .030 2cc valve relief on the piston top 55cc combustion chamber .016 deck height clearance (assuming the deck hasn't been milled) = 10:1 compression (pump gas) The pistons would stick out of the block by .019" at TDC :-o The piston and valve clearance would probably be too small, but it's fun to think about. Bob > My rebuild this year, took the engine .030 over. > > I think the gating item is availability of oversize pistons. You might do > a > search on 260 pistons to see what you come up with. On the other hand, > maybe > you can go higher and use pistons that will work from some other > application > (for instance, when rebuilding an Aston DB 2 engine, people use Dodge > Dart > slant six valves, supposedly better and much cheaper. And mine runs > fine!) From mk1a67 at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 22:11:18 2008 From: mk1a67 at gmail.com (Cliff Alexander) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:11:18 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Pro Prep Contact Info In-Reply-To: <39a841b0803110631t4384f7afkdc892153c83b6955@mail.gmail.com> References: <417580.1833.qm@web82713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <39a841b0803110631t4384f7afkdc892153c83b6955@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8abbe6e00803122211r1ab81fe7xe572ea5912f78f59@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone know if Martha is still doing interiors? I heard she had retired. Cliff On 3/11/08, Owain Lloyd wrote: > > Martha Christensen > Pro-Prep Interiors > 209 Nadine Ct.. > Incline Village, NV 89451 > (702) 833-2424 > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Bill Waite > wrote: > > I'd appreciate it if someone could send me the e-mail address for Pro > Prep interiors. TIA. > > > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mk1a67 at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From jteepen at usatoday.com Wed Mar 12 22:13:03 2008 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:13:03 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] piston sizes In-Reply-To: <000c01c884bc$4d846720$4100a8c0@BobsDell> Message-ID: In 1999 I had my virgin 260 rebuilt and the engine shop used off the shelf Keith Black .030 pistons made specifically for Ford 260 engines. I do not have part numbers or any information about current availability. I suspect they were not expensive as the entire rebuild (shot peened rods, all new bearings, ported heads, new cam, etc.) only cost $1800.00. I have since sold that car but have contact with the current owners and it is still running strong. Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Dixon Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 8:43 PM To: Rollright at aol.com; mark.rense at ge.com Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] piston sizes I have been looking at this a lot lately. Looks like off-the-shelf for Ford 2.3L you can get compression distances of 1.585, 1.590, and 1.610 (the 260 is 1.60). Bore sizes in 3.81, 3.82, 3.83 and some others. The pistons are not all that cheap though, but better than custom. Seems like finding off-the-shelf pistons specifically for a 260 is about impossible these days. Here is the goofiest scheme I have so far: 5.7" rods 1.090" compression height pistons from a 2.3L Ford Compressed gasket of .030 2cc valve relief on the piston top 55cc combustion chamber .016 deck height clearance (assuming the deck hasn't been milled) = 10:1 compression (pump gas) The pistons would stick out of the block by .019" at TDC :-o The piston and valve clearance would probably be too small, but it's fun to think about. Bob > My rebuild this year, took the engine .030 over. > > I think the gating item is availability of oversize pistons. You might > do a search on 260 pistons to see what you come up with. On the other > hand, maybe you can go higher and use pistons that will work from > some other application (for instance, when rebuilding an Aston DB 2 > engine, people use Dodge Dart slant six valves, supposedly better and > much cheaper. And mine runs > fine!) From mgman71 at comcast.net Thu Mar 13 04:56:12 2008 From: mgman71 at comcast.net (george) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:56:12 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Mirrors? Message-ID: <002d01c88501$3ccedab0$0201a8c0@homeqp0ya3bbsv> Would anyone know what make mirrors came on the tigers? were they Talbot's or Tex. Thanks in advance. George 64 Tiger MkI From tiger at missiongranite.com Thu Mar 13 09:59:02 2008 From: tiger at missiongranite.com (Alan Zeni) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:59:02 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Show Bar Message-ID: <005201c8852b$8a735000$43f9d648@mgserver> Does anyone in tigerland have schematics for a roll bar - oops, I mean show bar? TIA From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Mar 13 09:12:02 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:12:02 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Show Bar Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EE1A@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> I made a template out of cardboard, of the inside profile of the car with the soft top up, at the front edge of the parcel shelf. I took that to a local fabrication shop and had them bend a hoop out of 1 3/4 x 0.120" wall, and got extra tubing to make stays and a diagonal from that. They left the legs a little extra long so I could trim that to fit. If you're doing "show events" with your Tiger that require a "show bar" then you should get the relevant rulebook so that you can make sure it will comply (bar diameter and wall thickness, requirement for a diagonal, headrest and padding, location and chassis attachment of the stays, etc.). The hardest thing generally is to get sufficient height on the thing so that a helmet rides sufficiently far below the top of the bar, while still allowing you to put the top up. My bar bulges the soft top material in the two outside corners, so it's definitely as high as you can go. Theo From atwittsend at verizon.net Thu Mar 13 11:04:45 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 11:04:45 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Show Bar References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EE1A@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <002101c88534$b8b56b70$0202a8c0@student2> Using PVC tubing can be an economical way of mocking up a bar. While using the appropriate diameter would be idea, even that can start to cost. So, for a few bucks using say..., 3/4" you can still "rough in" what you need. Just make sure that any measurements are specifically demoted to the larger outside perimeter. The fabricator can figure the inside bends. Having read Theo's comments I am wondering if the bar could be bent with, for lack of a better term, a "wave" near the drivers head that went rearward to allow better clearance for a helmet? Tom From mark.rense at ge.com Thu Mar 13 11:23:03 2008 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:23:03 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] piston sizes In-Reply-To: References: <000c01c884bc$4d846720$4100a8c0@BobsDell> Message-ID: All, Here is some information for all the Tiger community. The stock 260 pistons are still available from Keith Black (KB-Silvolite), part number 1106. They only have the .040"-over in stock as of today, and there is a 6 to 8 week delivery time for anything else. Their active parts list show 3.820", 3.830", 3.840", 3.860", 3.880" and even 3.900" over-bore pistons, you will just have to order yours and wait. Call Summit or Jegs, they are the biggest KB dealers. These pistons are mild compression (8.4:1) and heavy by modern standards. Completely suitable for a 164HP Tiger. However, as soon as you put the larger chamber 289/302 heads on, the compression ratio drops below 8:1, great for turbocharging, rotten for fat-cammed high revving atmospheric induction. This is why I am pursuing custom pistons. Bugz -----Original Message----- From: Teepen, Jere [mailto:jteepen at usatoday.com] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 1:13 AM To: Bob Dixon; Rollright at aol.com; Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: RE: [Tigers] piston sizes In 1999 I had my virgin 260 rebuilt and the engine shop used off the shelf Keith Black .030 pistons made specifically for Ford 260 engines. I do not have part numbers or any information about current availability. Jere From bob at hermitagewood.com Thu Mar 13 11:41:35 2008 From: bob at hermitagewood.com (Bob) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:41:35 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Engine Rebuild Experiences Needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005c01c88539$ddb29ec0$1450010a@in.dynetics.com> Steve, Yes, at least one source of that is the Chittenden book (Performance Tuning the Sunbeam Tiger), which is what prompted my decision to bore the block .200 against the recommendations of the machine shop. There must be at least some truth to it, since I did have cylinder walls left when the job was done. Based on this, I suspect a Tiger block can accept a substantial over bore, probably more than piston manufacturers offer. Looking at my old block, I would think a .120 over bore would be fine, but that is just me thinking aloud. In the end, stories of flexing cylinder walls, poor ring sealing, and the propensity for over bored engines to run hotter (a problem no Tiger needs) convinced me it was just easier to get another block. I'm curious to know what Bugz has in mind, because I can't see justification for boring the 260 block any larger than is required for cleanup at rebuild time. Maybe he's looking at a piston/rod swap that makes for a better rod to stroke ratio by changing the piston pin location? --Bob >Bob, > >As I recall, the industrial Tiger "260" was not the same block as the >production passenger car "260" (see freeze plug count). And the casting >method of the "289" differed in that some cylinders were "siamesed" to >allow wall thickness for the bigger bore. > >___ >Steve Laifman >Editor - TigersUnited.com From Rollright at aol.com Thu Mar 13 12:35:53 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:35:53 EDT Subject: [Tigers] piston sizes Message-ID: My Silvolite pistons, .030 over were bought from someone in Nevada in Januaryand were definitely 030. I hear you when you say that they are not available right now, but presumably that is a temporary stock-out situation. Part number 1106-30 Jim Armstrong In a message dated 3/13/2008 2:23:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark.rense at ge.com writes: All, Here is some information for all the Tiger community. The stock 260 pistons are still available from Keith Black (KB-Silvolite), part number 1106. They only have the .040"-over in stock as of today, and there is a 6 to 8 week delivery time for anything else. Their active parts list show 3.820", 3.830", 3.840", 3.860", 3.880" and even 3.900" over-bore pistons, you will just have to order yours and wait. Call Summit or Jegs, they are the biggest KB dealers. These pistons are mild compression (8.4:1) and heavy by modern standards. Completely suitable for a 164HP Tiger. However, as soon as you put the larger chamber 289/302 heads on, the compression ratio drops below 8:1, great for turbocharging, rotten for fat-cammed high revving atmospheric induction. This is why I am pursuing custom pistons. Bugz -----Original Message----- From: Teepen, Jere [mailto:jteepen at usatoday.com] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 1:13 AM To: Bob Dixon; Rollright at aol.com; Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: RE: [Tigers] piston sizes In 1999 I had my virgin 260 rebuilt and the engine shop used off the shelf Keith Black .030 pistons made specifically for Ford 260 engines. I do not have part numbers or any information about current availability. Jere **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Mar 13 12:45:52 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:45:52 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Show Bar Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EE1E@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> That's where the rules come into play. I wanted helmet clearance, so I tipped the main hoop rearward some. Then, in order to get a reasonable angle on the rear stays, I anchored them to the inside wheel wells near the top of their arch. The various bolt-in bars have the rear stays running to the rear corner of the parcel shelf, which makes them run at a too-close-to-vertical angle, especially if the main hoop is angled to the rear. My main hoop touches the soft top midway between the two lateral braces on the soft top. In order to fold the top you have to tip up the forward brace before you bring the B-pillar arms back (or before you fold the side-window arms), or everything gets tangled on the hoop. I don't think that the hoop is allowed to have reverse bends (by most rulebooks), because that would compromise its structural integrity. Theo From chris at cthompson.net Thu Mar 13 13:06:08 2008 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:06:08 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Show Bar In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EE1E@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EE1E@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <47D98930.3080104@cthompson.net> At NASA events, I've seen "roll bar extensions" for lack of a better term where using heavy pins you add an extra hoop to the roll bar that actually fits under the convertible top. It's the only way one would work for me for places like VIR that use a broomstick test..... Chris Smit, Theo wrote: > That's where the rules come into play. I wanted helmet clearance, so I > tipped the main hoop rearward some. Then, in order to get a reasonable > angle on the rear stays, I anchored them to the inside wheel wells near > the top of their arch. The various bolt-in bars have the rear stays > running to the rear corner of the parcel shelf, which makes them run at > a too-close-to-vertical angle, especially if the main hoop is angled to > the rear. > > My main hoop touches the soft top midway between the two lateral braces > on the soft top. In order to fold the top you have to tip up the forward > brace before you bring the B-pillar arms back (or before you fold the > side-window arms), or everything gets tangled on the hoop. > > I don't think that the hoop is allowed to have reverse bends (by most > rulebooks), because that would compromise its structural integrity. > > Theo From wseay at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 13 14:54:05 2008 From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:54:05 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Pro Prep Contact Info References: <417580.1833.qm@web82713.mail.mud.yahoo.com><39a841b0803110631t4384f7afkdc892153c83b6955@mail.gmail.com> <8abbe6e00803122211r1ab81fe7xe572ea5912f78f59@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001901c88554$c2616910$0301a8c0@xpseay> Cliff, Martha is alive and well and doing her thing. I recently ordered door panels and a carpet set from her. Don't think she does email, but she answers her phone. - Will B382001570 ____________________________ Will Seay wseay at embarqmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Alexander" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pro Prep Contact Info Does anyone know if Martha is still doing interiors? I heard she had retired. Cliff From cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 13 15:33:45 2008 From: cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net (Chris Richards) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Engine Rebuild Experiences Needed In-Reply-To: <005c01c88539$ddb29ec0$1450010a@in.dynetics.com> Message-ID: <102613.27022.qm@web83201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Absolutely you cannot bore a 260 to 289 specification. .060 is not reccomended but I have built a dozen or so over the years and not had a problem. .030 is great if you have a standard bore block to start with. Again...boring to 2/10 of an inch is ludicrous... Bob wrote: Steve, Yes, at least one source of that is the Chittenden book (Performance Tuning the Sunbeam Tiger), which is what prompted my decision to bore the block .200 against the recommendations of the machine shop. There must be at least some truth to it, since I did have cylinder walls left when the job was done. Based on this, I suspect a Tiger block can accept a substantial over bore, probably more than piston manufacturers offer. Looking at my old block, I would think a .120 over bore would be fine, but that is just me thinking aloud. In the end, stories of flexing cylinder walls, poor ring sealing, and the propensity for over bored engines to run hotter (a problem no Tiger needs) convinced me it was just easier to get another block. I'm curious to know what Bugz has in mind, because I can't see justification for boring the 260 block any larger than is required for cleanup at rebuild time. Maybe he's looking at a piston/rod swap that makes for a better rod to stroke ratio by changing the piston pin location? --Bob >Bob, > >As I recall, the industrial Tiger "260" was not the same block as the >production passenger car "260" (see freeze plug count). And the casting >method of the "289" differed in that some cylinders were "siamesed" to >allow wall thickness for the bigger bore. > >___ >Steve Laifman >Editor - TigersUnited.com You are subscribed as cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 13 15:44:37 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:44:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Show Bar In-Reply-To: <005201c8852b$8a735000$43f9d648@mgserver> Message-ID: <382101.64513.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm not sure about the terms (show bar vs. roll bar) or what rules have to be followed. I'm thinking most readers and contributors are out west and most have never seen Tiger Toms Tiger.Ive tried to get him to write a book as the car has most every functional item a Mk7 Lincoln has, including self leveling air ride. I know there are purist who would never consider the things Tom has engineered but I doubt there is much he cant return to stock, if anything. Now his car has a roll bar, so a show bar might not work in the manner Tom used. But, because the hard top and soft top are not the same as far as clearance, so either top can be used and the roll bar not interfere, so to solve the problem Toms roll bar is spring loaded. I'm not sure how he did it as it stays where he pushes it, up or down and of course its not like there is a foot of difference in where the top of the roll bar needs to be for which ever top he has up/on.His RB is for roll over protection and if needed would work-- would it work as a show bar??? See the rule book I guess. Tom is one of the founders of TE/AE and at one time perhaps had more tiger knowledge than a large group of owners, he is very friendly and will help anyone with any problem, so if a spring loaded RB, that stays in place( you wouldn't know if he didn't show you) will solve the "show bar" problem, I would give Tiger Tom a call. He will be glad to help and if you want cruise control, remote mirrors, electric windows,a Reese hitch that maintain the car at the same elevation, even while towing a show Tiger, not to mention air conditioning, electric antennae and those are just the ones I remember, I'm sure he would help you with the parts needed for those improvements as well and how to install an auto tranny and what gear is needed for the rear end- I wish he would write a book- might never sell for what a BON does BUT it would be a great read. regards, TonytheTiger ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 15:55:46 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 09:55:46 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Mirrors? In-Reply-To: <002d01c88501$3ccedab0$0201a8c0@homeqp0ya3bbsv> References: <002d01c88501$3ccedab0$0201a8c0@homeqp0ya3bbsv> Message-ID: In theory neither... the factory never installed side mirrors. Rootes listed the Talbot bullet mirrors as an option and also the antena mirror in wallpreess (sp?) style. The repro mirrors i see today are not as nice as the originals.. Sunbeam Spec's seem to be about he nicest around. On 13/03/2008, george wrote: > Would anyone know what make mirrors came on the tigers? were they Talbot's or > Tex. Thanks in advance. > > George > 64 Tiger MkI > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as michael.s.king at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > -- Regards Michael King From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 13 16:08:20 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Engine Rebuild Experiences Needed In-Reply-To: <102613.27022.qm@web83201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <705849.5705.qm@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My first Tiger in 1972 had a 5 bolt 289, a cam some would consider a bit large and 331 gears. It out ran stock Tigers with the same 4 barell and 288 gears that made me think I was the fastest car around and from stop light to stop light it ate most 60s and early 70s muscle cars- I would find a 5 bolt 289, since no one would ever know unless they get down beside the dist. and read the numbers. save the stock 260 for later resale/value reasons and enjoy what is now available for a 289. I still have my 5 bolt, bored 30 over and waiting for a Tiger to growl in again. I revved that engine until I floated the valves, then missed the next gear, usually second- had no idea then about rebuilding the stock shifter but the Hurst competition plus shifter fixed the missing of gears and I was only 19 years old- no wonder I fell in love with Sunbeam Tigers and no wonder I think the 5 bolt 289 was/is one of the best engines Ford ever produced. Float the valves on a bowtie engine, leave your foot on the floor and miss second gear and see if anything bends or breaks- it may well not. If for sure didnt in my first Tiger and I was to young and dumb, for a while, to back off, shift gears and then put my foot down again- I promise I missed that gear enough times the engine should have never stood the punishment. Yes, Im always listening if anyone mentions knowing about a 289 setting somewhere, I would buy another 5 bolt if I never use it.Of course everyone should put the engine they want in their Tiger- after all, its you that should be pleased. Good luck for whomever it was started this string.My next choice would be a 5.0 HO and then the stroker made by TandL engineering- the one that is in a Tiger already- just dont remember who.Good luck with whichever engine you choose. regards, TTT ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From bob at hermitagewood.com Thu Mar 13 17:18:13 2008 From: bob at hermitagewood.com (Bob Burruss) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:18:13 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Engine Rebuild Experiences Needed In-Reply-To: <102613.27022.qm@web83201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <102613.27022.qm@web83201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47D9C445.2050208@hermitagewood.com> Just to be clear, you *CAN* bore a Tiger 260 to 4.000 inches. I have one such block in my garage for anyone who wants to see it. This is not to say that I recommend it, or that it will not self destruct if you use it. --Bob Chris Richards wrote: > Absolutely you cannot bore a 260 to 289 specification. .060 is not > reccomended but I have built a dozen or so over the years and not had > a problem. .030 is great if you have a standard bore block to start > with. Again...boring to 2/10 of an inch is ludicrous... > > *//* From patrick at patmania.ch Fri Mar 14 03:59:37 2008 From: patrick at patmania.ch (Patrick Helfer) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:59:37 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Engine rebuild In-Reply-To: <8812.91374.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20080124.094608.17403.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> <8812.91374.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <018801c885c2$82a3c660$87eb5320$@ch> Hi toni http://www.fordcobraengines.com/347_400Horsepower.htm this is the website you where looking for. What does the list think about this engine? -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: tigers-bounces+patrick=patmania.ch at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+patrick=patmania.ch at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Tony Somebody Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Januar 2008 01:34 An: un-cole-a at juno.com; tigers at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Tigers] Engine rebuild List- a couple year back, Im guessing as time flys, one of our members bought a stroker engine from a shop in the south, one of the arolins I think. If memory serves the cost was about 5k but less than 6k. It mad about 400hP and Im thinking the shop also built nascar engines. The website showed their shop, the engine building rocess and had a ton of info. I promised myself I would one day have the same place build the same engine for me. One of these days hasnt arrived yet BUT Im still hoping. Meanwhile I had the website saved in my favorites and the pc crashed and my microsoft engineer nephew who lives 500 mils away has had the puter long enough to rebuild several BUT he is yong and busy and Im sure Ucle Tony will one day get his puter, meanwhile I continue to use my daughters laptop BUT at the same time I ant even guess the engine shop and now we have another member receiving high prices to rebuild a 26-- hey, he might prefer the 260, which I can understand BUt if the member of whom Im talking about would be kind enough to repost that website, then maybe two of us would be happier. Thanks ahead of time. TonytheTiger ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping You are subscribed as patrick at patmania.ch Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From cbowland at msn.com Fri Mar 14 12:54:39 2008 From: cbowland at msn.com (Curt Bowland) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:54:39 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Engine Builder Message-ID: http://www.tandlengines.com/index.html This may be the Carolina based engine builder you were asking about From sganz at pacbell.net Fri Mar 14 14:49:47 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure Gauge Fitting Message-ID: <255918.30241.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Just to close out that thread, the fittings for the BSP Smiths fitting came from Pegasus and they will do the trick (-3 Hose to Smiths Gauge Fittings). I also picked up an adapter for a Oil Pressure switch so I can put a large RED light on this build so if it pressure does drop and I'm not glancing at the gauge I will notice it. Thanks again for all the help! Sandy From DJoh797014 at aol.com Fri Mar 14 16:00:19 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:00:19 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Mirrors? Message-ID: Mike Uncle Wally said the Tigers he imported for Chrysler all had mirrors stuffed next to the seat. Otherwise they would have been broken off in shipping. It was up to the dealers to install them. Most were Talbort Jr but a lot of his Chrysler dealers installed Chrysler mirrors wit 'jet plane' look. Most Mk II had these mirrors. Dave In a message dated 3/13/2008 5:56:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, michael.s.king at gmail.com writes: In theory neither... the factory never installed side mirrors. Rootes listed the Talbot bullet mirrors as an option and also the antena mirror in wallpreess (sp?) style. The repro mirrors i see today are not as nice as the originals.. Sunbeam Spec's seem to be about he nicest around. On 13/03/2008, george wrote: > Would anyone know what make mirrors came on the tigers? were they Talbot's or > Tex. Thanks in advance. > > George > 64 Tiger MkI > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as michael.s.king at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > -- Regards Michael King You are subscribed as djoh797014 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. 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(http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From rtscolgan at yahoo.com Sun Mar 16 11:04:46 2008 From: rtscolgan at yahoo.com (Russ and Tammy C.) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:04:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] 5 liter crate motor Message-ID: <184935.47494.qm@web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Can anyone tell me if I can run the double sump pan in my 65 Tiger? Should I change the existing pan to a front sump for just street use? Thank you very much, Russ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From laurin212 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 16 21:25:58 2008 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:25:58 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] remote oil filter part still needed Message-ID: <001501c887e7$00191ca0$6501a8c0@PETERHOME> thanks so much to the kind gentleman that donated to the cause couple remote oil filter parts, i hope i can return the favor sometime soon. i am trying to locate all the parts for one tiger being restored, and another i am trying to return to the original remote filter set up. to that end, i am still missing one piece, the screw in piece that screws down against the block at the bottom end of the assembly. i have circled it in the photo at the link below. do you have one you would be willing to sell? if so, please email me and cost you would like. thanks so much. this is the part i need (the circled one) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/peter212/remoteoilfilter.jpg i would also be willing to buy more that just that one part if you have several to sell associate with the remote oil setup, i plan to be tigering for many years to come and never pass up a hard to find part for future needs! also, does anyone have a good source for the hoses fabricated? i got this set on ebay a bit ago and cant recall who it was, i will need to order another set for my tiger under restoration. thks so much! peter From laurin212 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 16 21:33:55 2008 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:33:55 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] selling/trading/donating an alpine(?) hardtop Message-ID: <001c01c887e8$1c02ff20$6501a8c0@PETERHOME> i dont need this fiberglass hardtop... it came with a tiger i bought, the owner said it came with a hardtop, i was expecting the steel one. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v650/peter212/?action=view¤t=IMG_0002 .jpg i can send more pics if you want. i'd love to trade it for some hard to find tiger parts. if i dont get any interesting swaps, ill just give it away. or whatever. its just taking up space and ill never use it. let me know what you want to do. only thing, i cant ship this sucker, its big. so local pick up only, its in montgomery, ny 12549, and i am only up there on weekends, maybe can arrange for pickup during the week if my friend is up there. (i live 80 miles away from where it is and work during the week). thks peter From Carmods at aol.com Mon Mar 17 04:58:49 2008 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:58:49 EDT Subject: [Tigers] remote oil filter part still needed Message-ID: Peter, With a little engineering you can replace those oil hoses with Aeroquip hoses and fittings. If you take the tube and hoses to an Aeroquip dealer, they can find the fittings and hoses. As I remember I had to braze one of their adaptors on to the "U" tube. To find a dealer, go to : _http://www.eaton.com/EatonCom/ProductsServices/Aeroquip/index.htm_ (http://www.eaton.com/EatonCom/ProductsServices/Aeroquip/index.htm) Click on Hydraulics Click on Distributor Locator Check Aeroquip Hose Enter your zip code Click on Search **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) From billlawrence at hotmail.com Mon Mar 17 11:46:01 2008 From: billlawrence at hotmail.com (Bill Lawrence) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:46:01 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 103 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tigers, I had the throttle cable break in my fairly stock Mk1a Tiger. Called Rick at SS and he promptly sent out a replacement unit. I noticed the angle between the inside connection point and the carb is a little odd. I am wondering if anyone else has a fairly significant bend between the two points, especially where the cable passes through the firewall? The broken cable was replaced when my Dad rebuilt the Tiger approximately 15 years ago and I noticed some chafing on the cable housing where the cable passes through the firewall (grommet was missing) but the failure was actually on the pedal end where the cable end was brazed onto the cable itself. Bill Lawrence B9473246LRX _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join From banana111 at msn.com Mon Mar 17 11:47:48 2008 From: banana111 at msn.com (Brent Edinger) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:47:48 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 5 liter crate motor Message-ID: Russ, I recommend going with the double sump or rear sump pan. If you don't with the added power you will most likely experience oil starvation problems during sporty launches. Mine would starve just by nailing the throttle on the freeway. Brent Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:04:46 -0700 (PDT)From: "Russ and Tammy C." Subject: [Tigers] 5 liter crate motorTo: tigers at autox.team.netMessage-ID: <184935.47494.qm at web50907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Can anyone tell me if I can run the double sump pan in my 65 Tiger? Should I change the existing pan to a front sump for just street use? Thank you very much, Russ From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Mon Mar 17 12:45:58 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:45:58 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Throttle Cable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47DECA76.70606@SoCal.rr.com> Bill, I was driving home when the gas pedal went to the floor, and the car went to idle. Embarrassing . The "cable" broke at the carb. connection dog-leg rod end. I purchased a replacement from Rick, at SS. It was, as was the original, a stiff wire rather than a "cable". It has been about 10 years and it works fine. ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Bill Lawrence wrote: > Tigers, > > I had the throttle cable break in my fairly stock Mk1a Tiger. Called Rick at > SS and he promptly sent out a replacement unit. > > I noticed the angle between the inside connection point and the carb is a > little odd. I am wondering if anyone else has a fairly significant bend > between the two points, especially where the cable passes through the > firewall? > > The broken cable was replaced when my Dad rebuilt the Tiger approximately 15 > years ago and I noticed some chafing on the cable housing where the cable > passes through the firewall (grommet was missing) but the failure was > actually on the pedal end where the cable end was brazed onto the cable > itself. > > > Bill Lawrence > > B9473246LRX From fastsage at cox.net Mon Mar 17 13:30:10 2008 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:30:10 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Edlebrock Intake Question Message-ID: <47DED4D2.9030001@cox.net> I am finally going to go ahead and switch out my original LAT option Tiger script intake manifold for an Edlebrock Performer intake. I've been told repeatedly that I will notice a real difference when I put the pedal to the metal. My next trick is to decide on the standard Performer, or the Performer Air Gap. Has anyone installed the Performer Air Gap on their Tiger? They appear to be the same height, which would be critical to make sure I can still close the hood with my stock air cleaner/Holly carb. Finally, is anyone aware of any independent tests that show a horsepower and or torque increase with the Air Gap over the standard Performer? Thanks as usual! Steve Sage 1966 MK1A (with a hi-po 289) E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09420 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From bob_diehl at earthlink.net Mon Mar 17 15:11:17 2008 From: bob_diehl at earthlink.net (Bob Diehl) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:11:17 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Edlebrock Intake Question In-Reply-To: <47DED4D2.9030001@cox.net> References: <47DED4D2.9030001@cox.net> Message-ID: How much for the Tiger script manifold? bob_diehl At 01:30 PM 3/17/2008, Steve Sage wrote: >I am finally going to go ahead and switch out my original LAT option >Tiger script intake manifold for an..snip... From fastsage at cox.net Mon Mar 17 15:29:05 2008 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:29:05 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Edlebrock Intake Question In-Reply-To: References: <47DED4D2.9030001@cox.net> Message-ID: <47DEF0B1.4010707@cox.net> Hello Bob and the list: I had made a deal on selling the manifold a long time ago so first I have to contact that person and see if he still wants it. If not, I'll let you and the list know. Steve Bob Diehl wrote: > How much for the Tiger script manifold? > > bob_diehl > > > At 01:30 PM 3/17/2008, Steve Sage wrote: > >> I am finally going to go ahead and switch out my original LAT option >> Tiger script intake manifold for an..snip... >> > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as fastsage at cox.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) > Database version: 5.09420 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09420 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From hguynes at cinci.rr.com Mon Mar 17 18:24:14 2008 From: hguynes at cinci.rr.com (Hugh Guynes) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:24:14 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] [Tiger] Edelbrock Intake Question Message-ID: Steve, I went from a Performer RPM to an Air Gap last year. With the Air Gap , a Holley 750HP and the Tiger aircleaner there is about a 1/2 in. clearance with a Lat hood. When I changed manifolds I also changed from a 2 1/4 to a 2 1/2 in. exhaust so I don't know how much of the increase was due to just the manifold swap. With the exhaust and manifold change the engine went from 367 rwhp to 377 rwhp and 377rwt to 394 rwt. Hope this helps. Hugh Guynes 1966 MK1A From jim at island.net Mon Mar 17 20:32:02 2008 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:32:02 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Edlebrock Intake Question In-Reply-To: <47DED4D2.9030001@cox.net> Message-ID: <04e501c888a8$a1e40e20$0300a8c0@JIMPC> Hi Steve I have a Performer RPM Air Gap on my new 5 liter with a 650 double pump Holley and stock air cleaner. There is about 3/8" clearance at the front corners of the air cleaner and more at the rear. I had a Performer on the 289 hipo that I replaced. The new manifold seems to tilt the carb a little more so that the front is just a touch lower... BTW there IS no Performer Air Gap ... only a Performer RPM Air Gap which I assume is the same height as the Performer RPM ...only difference being the space under the runners... The old Performer is noticeably 'shorter' ... Jim 382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Sage Sent: March 17, 2008 1:30 PM To: TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET Subject: [Tigers] Edlebrock Intake Question I am finally going to go ahead and switch out my original LAT option Tiger script intake manifold for an Edlebrock Performer intake. I've been told repeatedly that I will notice a real difference when I put the pedal to the metal. My next trick is to decide on the standard Performer, or the Performer Air Gap. Has anyone installed the Performer Air Gap on their Tiger? They appear to be the same height, which would be critical to make sure I can still close the hood with my stock air cleaner/Holly carb. Finally, is anyone aware of any independent tests that show a horsepower and or torque increase with the Air Gap over the standard Performer? Thanks as usual! Steve Sage 1966 MK1A (with a hi-po 289) E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09420 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ You are subscribed as jim at island.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From fastsage at cox.net Mon Mar 17 20:35:58 2008 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:35:58 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] [Tiger] Edelbrock Intake Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47DF389E.2030104@cox.net> Hello Hugh: Valuable information, especially about the hood clearance. That sounds like a monster engine. Steve Hugh Guynes wrote: > Steve, > > I went from a Performer RPM to an Air Gap last year. With the Air Gap > , a Holley 750HP and the Tiger aircleaner there is about a 1/2 in. clearance > with a Lat hood. When I changed manifolds I also changed from a 2 1/4 > to a 2 1/2 in. exhaust so I don't know how much of the increase was due to > just the manifold swap. With the exhaust and manifold change the engine went > from 367 rwhp to 377 rwhp and 377rwt to 394 rwt. > > Hope this helps. > > Hugh Guynes > 1966 MK1A > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09420 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From deiland1 at elp.rr.com Mon Mar 17 20:42:28 2008 From: deiland1 at elp.rr.com (Dan Eiland) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:42:28 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum Flywheel question Message-ID: <004a01c888aa$1757ff80$59ea7846@owner95291b1f9> I have an aluminum flywheel that was custom made for one of my Brit cars and it has a removeable wear surface. The company that made the flywheel used the correct type bolts to secure the wear surface the the flywheel but they used long bolts that pass all the way through the flywheel and then they used lock-nuts on the backside of the flywheel to secure everything. Problem is there isn't enough room on the backside for the long bolts and the nuts. The bolts touch the housing on the rear seal and keep the flywheel from bolting down correctly, much less mention any rotational issues. I was thinking of just getting new bolts that are the correct length and just use a tap to thread the holes in the aluminum flywheel so I can screw the bolts directly into the aluminum to hold the removeable wear surface. I'm wondering if there will be any issues with the steel bolts screwing into the aluminum? My guess is that a flywheel doesn't see much more than maybe 150 degrees F in temperature and if I use some locktite to install the bolts maybe this will work. Anyone know more about this who could let me know if they think this will work. The flywheel looks like one from Fidanza, but it was made locally. Any input is welcome. TIA Dan Eiland From fastsage at cox.net Mon Mar 17 20:43:19 2008 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:43:19 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Edlebrock Intake Question In-Reply-To: <04e501c888a8$a1e40e20$0300a8c0@JIMPC> References: <04e501c888a8$a1e40e20$0300a8c0@JIMPC> Message-ID: <47DF3A57.7060907@cox.net> Jim wrote: > BTW there IS no Performer > Air Gap ... only a Performer RPM Air Gap w > > Jim: It turns out you're right for Ford. The Summit Racing site shows a Performer Air Gap (not RPM) but for Chevy only. I hadn't read the fine print closely enough. Too bad. That may make my decision for me as I'm looking for more low end pull. Steve E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09420 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From sganz at pacbell.net Mon Mar 17 21:07:04 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum Flywheel question Message-ID: <859987.33728.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dan, I think one of my aluminum flywheels McLeod has the steel insert held by rivets, another (Fidanza) uses AN Countersunk Philips Head with a jet nut (locking, AN). I don't know if it would be bad to do it direct to the aluminum, I think just better to get the right size nuts and bolts. You can find an odd variety of these at Aircraft spruce, and other race shops, even Mcmaster carr has a selection of mil spec bolts/screws. Or why not just ground/cut down the offending long bolts a dremel will make short work of it? Also you likely could get replacment ones from fidanza if similar style. One other interesting thing is that the pressure plates on all of the flywheels thread into the aluminum, so it might be fine, just some food for thought. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Dan Eiland To: Tiger List ; Alpine List Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 8:42:28 PM Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum Flywheel question I have an aluminum flywheel that was custom made for one of my Brit cars and it has a removeable wear surface. The company that made the flywheel used the correct type bolts to secure the wear surface the the flywheel but they used long bolts that pass all the way through the flywheel and then they used lock-nuts on the backside of the flywheel to secure everything. Problem is there isn't enough room on the backside for the long bolts and the nuts. The bolts touch the housing on the rear seal and keep the flywheel from bolting down correctly, much less mention any rotational issues. I was thinking of just getting new bolts that are the correct length and just use a tap to thread the holes in the aluminum flywheel so I can screw the bolts directly into the aluminum to hold the removeable wear surface. I'm wondering if there will be any issues with the steel bolts screwing into the aluminum? My guess is that a flywheel doesn't see much more than maybe 150 degrees F in temperature and if I use some locktite to install the bolts maybe this will work. Anyone know more about this who could let me know if they think this will work. The flywheel looks like one from Fidanza, but it was made locally. Any input is welcome. TIA Dan Eiland You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 17 22:28:15 2008 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Edlebrock Intake Question and Answer Message-ID: <197533.22980.qm@web81502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "I am finally going to go ahead and switch out my original LAT option Tiger script intake manifold for an Edlebrock Performer intake. I've been told repeatedly that I will notice a real difference when I put the pedal to the metal." Here is a link http://www.jason.fletcher.net/tech/intakes/intakes.htm that compares HP and torque for a number of different manifolds installed on a Ford 5.0. The interesting part is that it includes the "Tiger" low rise manifold plus the LAT F4B (known as Ford "Cobra"). Also, included is a stock Ford manifold. The "Tiger" manifold overall didn't make more HP than the stock (215.5 vs 215.1) but had slightly higher torque (283.6 vs 280.1 ft/lbs) value. More HP and torque was made by the "Tiger" manifold over the entire RPM range when compared to the stock Ford manifold. I recall reading that the the "Tiger" manifold was considered junk. At least it is better than stock. Switching to the Performer low rise will give peak 233.7 HP and 284 ft/lbs torque versus the 215.5 HP and 280 ft/lbs from the "Tiger" manifold. No Performer RPM is tested. The F4B kicks HP to 231 and torque to 288.2. I'm sure the Performer RPM would improve on those numbers. Jeff From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 04:37:34 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:37:34 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] nuts and bolts Message-ID: <39a841b0803180437k350b0ea4xffd223efbb1eb730@mail.gmail.com> if anyone knows how bolts are classified in the UK and where to find a source of 'grade 8' (i.e. 6 notches in the head rather than 3) bolts in the UK please contact me. thanks. From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Tue Mar 18 15:39:41 2008 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:39:41 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Super Cool New Tech Item!!! Message-ID: <003101c88948$f479e920$74fcc04a@jerry> Listers, Well, do you suppose they have sizes for the Tiger?? Wonder if they whistle or hoot in strong crosswinds???????? Radical new tire design by Michelin. The next generation of tires. They had a pair at the Philadelphia car show. cid:004201c86dd9$54538670$0200a8c0 at DELL These tires are airless and are schedule d to be out on the market very soon. The bad news for law enforcement is that spike strips will not work on these tires. This is what great R&D will do, and just think of the impact on existing technology: A. no more air valves... B. no more air compressors at gas stations... C. no more repair kits... D. no more flats... SCAN DOWN &SEE. These are actual pictures taken in the South Carolina plant of Michelin. cid:004401c86dd9$54538670$0200a8c0 at DELL cid:004601c86dd9$54538670$0200a8c0 at DELL cid:004801c86dd9$54538670$0200a8c0 at DELL cid:004a01c86dd9$54538670$0200a8c0 at DELL cid:004c01c86dd9$54538670$0200a8c0 at DELL _____ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. _____ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! Learn more. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image002.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image003.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image004.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image005.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image006.jpg] From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Tue Mar 18 16:01:51 2008 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:01:51 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Super Cool New Tech Item! Message-ID: <004d01c8894c$0d30a230$74fcc04a@jerry> Sorry - picture didn't transmit in my earlier e-mail. See attached. Jerry Radical new tire design by Michelin. The next generation of tires. They had a pair at the Philadelphia car show. These tires are airless and are schedule d to be out on the market very soon. The bad news for law enforcement is that spike strips will not work on these tires. This is what great R&D will do, and just think of the impact on existing technology: A. no more air valves... B. no more air compressors at gas stations... C. no more repair kits... D. no more flats... [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/bmp which had a name of Tires 6.bmp] From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Mar 18 17:19:03 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:19:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Grant Steering Wheel Adapters Message-ID: <872692.37455.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Did Grant Product make a steering wheel adapter for the Tiger, and if so (even if out of production) anyone have the part number? Thanks Sandy From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Mar 18 17:53:28 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Grant Steering Wheel Adapters Message-ID: <45126.66795.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I saw that, but don't want the wheel, just the adapter so I can pick my own Grant wheel. It may grow on me so I'll have to keep watching it. Are the Sunbeam columns the same as other Brit cars, MG's? Sandy From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 18 17:58:52 2008 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Grant Steering Wheel Adapters In-Reply-To: <872692.37455.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <389570.22913.qm@web82709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have an old C.A.T. club "Shop Notes" Third Edition book, published in 1980. On page J-4 there is a "tech tip" written by a fellow by the name of John Keyman describing the Grant steering wheel adapter needed to install a Grant wheel in a Tiger. I happen to be selling a 13 1/4" Grant wheel on e-Bay now, and it has the correct Grant adapter (see e-Bay Motors item number 320229368690). The wheel was purchased for a Tiger in 1985. The adapter number is "3567" and it is no longer produced (although there might be a cross reference that fits). In the Tech Tips article I mentioned, John Heyman said to buy the Grant adapter for a Ford Cortina. I still have the original box panel showing applications, and the Ford Cortina calls for adapter number 3567 (available in the late 70's and early 80's at least). The adapter was also listed as being the correct one for Sunbeam Alpines... but had an asterisks (*) noting "except for telescoping column" (which Tigers have). The tech tip explains how you install the kit on a Tiger's column with the telescoping feature. I'd be happy to scan the tech tip and e-mail it to you if you contact me. Hope this helps, Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI B9471360 B382100437 Sandy Ganz wrote: Did Grant Product make a steering wheel adapter for the Tiger, and if so (even if out of production) anyone have the part number? Thanks Sandy You are subscribed as fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Tue Mar 18 20:26:17 2008 From: Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:26:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Water pump flange height Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF09002BB5@norn32.d30.intra> Listers, Can anyone confirm the stock pulley flange distance for a 260 Tiger. Based on my research it should be 4.875 inches from the back of the pump bolt on flange to the outer face of the pulley flange. I realize this is different than the shop manual. I am going to go press two pumps but do not have a pump to go off of that is off of the car. (never thought to save one) if anyone can confirm this before I go jack up two Edelbrock pumps I would be VERY grateful. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak at cox.net From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Mar 18 21:39:56 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Water pump flange height Message-ID: <850162.66898.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tim - I just did that to an Edelbrock victor pump but don't have the dimensions handy. The type of balancer does make a difference, if stock, I'm not sure what it is, but I do have a a flat face aftermarket pulley with some of Dale's pulleys. And I had to push it back (the flange on the pump) just about to the back of the pump housing. I had to back it off as it seems the back of the flange had a taper and it gets into the bearing and causes interference. I pulled it back just until the rubbing was gone. Looks pretty close. If you do go too far it is not that hard to pull it back forward, I just put in 2 of the bolts in the pump face and slowly used it to force the flange forward by the bolts pushing through to the pump face. Left a small mark but otherwise fine. Just watch the back of the pump to make sure youi not pulling the shaft out of the impeller. I was also working on a spacer for use with a stockish set of march pulleys that likely would work fine without moving the flange back, but fan likely would still be an issue. After all that sorry I can't help with the stock measure. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "Ronak, TP (Timothy)" To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 8:26:17 PM Subject: [Tigers] Water pump flange height Listers, Can anyone confirm the stock pulley flange distance for a 260 Tiger. Based on my research it should be 4.875 inches from the back of the pump bolt on flange to the outer face of the pulley flange. I realize this is different than the shop manual. I am going to go press two pumps but do not have a pump to go off of that is off of the car. (never thought to save one) if anyone can confirm this before I go jack up two Edelbrock pumps I would be VERY grateful. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak at cox.net You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From dcordray82 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 19 09:15:22 2008 From: dcordray82 at hotmail.com (Dan Cordray) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:15:22 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Nuts and Bolts Message-ID: Owain Lloyd recently asked about Grade 8 bolts in the UK. I sent him a note to remind him that Caterpillar dealers all over the world sell Grade 8 hardware of all kinds and that he can check the cat.com website for the dealer location nearest to him. For others on the list who may be interested, go here: http://www.cat.com/cda/layout?m=37648&x=7 On the right side of this page is a PDF download for the complete Cat hardware catalog with sizes, lengths, grip lengths, coatings, head styles, nuts, washers and on-and-on. Bolts are Grade 8 for inch sizes and ISO 10.9 for metric. There may also be a few Grade 5 for non-critical applications. I believe Dave Johnson has mentioned this before and this is merely reinforcement to his comments. If you poke around the cat.com website a little more you may find other items of interest such as batteries, hoses, filters, fluids, and misc other items that could be useful. Good luck. Dan Cordray Peoria, Illinois _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 From Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Wed Mar 19 10:36:22 2008 From: Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:36:22 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Intake manifold article Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF09034AD7@norn32.d30.intra> Listers, an EXCELLENT article on intakes and the differences. It illustrates the AIR GAP having higher end power potential over the RPM Performer http://www.popularhotrodding.com/enginemasters/articles/hardcore/0601em_ intake/index.html Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak at cox.net From tgrrr at peoplepc.com Wed Mar 19 12:17:45 2008 From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:17:45 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Water pump flange height References: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF09002BB5@norn32.d30.intra> Message-ID: <011101c889f5$ea515250$f5ecf204@bob> Just measured what I believe to be an original pump and it is 4 7/8 from back of pump to outer face of pulley flange. Bob H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronak, TP (Timothy)" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 8:26 PM Subject: [Tigers] Water pump flange height > Listers, > > Can anyone confirm the stock pulley flange distance for a 260 Tiger. > Based on my research it should be 4.875 inches from the back of the pump > bolt on flange to the outer face of the pulley flange. I realize this is > different than the shop manual. I am going to go press two pumps but do > not have a pump to go off of that is off of the car. (never thought to > save one) if anyone can confirm this before I go jack up two Edelbrock > pumps I would be VERY grateful. > > > > Best Regards, > > Tim Ronak > Services Consultant > > Akzo Nobel Coatings > 23961 Via El Rocio > Mission Viejo, CA 92691 > > Bus: 949-305-5393 > Fax: 425-955-6268 > Cell: 949-289-3357 From Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Wed Mar 19 12:29:21 2008 From: Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:29:21 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Water pump flange height Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF09034DBC@norn32.d30.intra> Bob THANKS!! That 4 7/8 " measurement jives exactly with the 4.875" measurement I have received before. Tom Hall sent me a diagram that shows 4.915" and in close examination of my car the water pump pulley is just ever so slightly back from the crank pulley. I would say maybe .020-.030 inches. As I am using a replacement aluminum pump from sunbeam specialties water pump I am assuming it is in the factory location which means the measurement provided by Tom Hall may correct this situation. I thought this would be easy to do and just swap but now I am going to disassemble and measure my application for location. Tom Hall thanks for your feedback as well. I appreciate all of the help and if I was doing it just for me I would just go get them pushed back but as I have someone else's pump I am going the extra step of disassembly before destruction. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak at cox.net -----Original Message----- From: Bob Hokanson [mailto:tgrrr at peoplepc.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:18 PM To: Tigers; Ronak, TP (Timothy) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water pump flange height Just measured what I believe to be an original pump and it is 4 7/8 from back of pump to outer face of pulley flange. Bob H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronak, TP (Timothy)" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 8:26 PM Subject: [Tigers] Water pump flange height > Listers, > > Can anyone confirm the stock pulley flange distance for a 260 Tiger. > Based on my research it should be 4.875 inches from the back of the pump > bolt on flange to the outer face of the pulley flange. I realize this is > different than the shop manual. I am going to go press two pumps but do > not have a pump to go off of that is off of the car. (never thought to > save one) if anyone can confirm this before I go jack up two Edelbrock > pumps I would be VERY grateful. > > > > Best Regards, > > Tim Ronak > Services Consultant > > Akzo Nobel Coatings > 23961 Via El Rocio > Mission Viejo, CA 92691 > > Bus: 949-305-5393 > Fax: 425-955-6268 > Cell: 949-289-3357 From Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Wed Mar 19 18:32:29 2008 From: Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:32:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Fittings for Edlebrock pump Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF0903517E@norn32.d30.intra> OK now that I am installing the 8842 edelbrock pump I now need the two tube fittings that are 3/8 inch pipe thread that go into the water pump for the bypass and the heater hose. Those of you that have done this where did you get the fittings :-( All of the ones I have seen are FAR too small for the heater hose. Any help will be appreciated. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak at cox.net From tsmit at shaw.ca Wed Mar 19 19:03:08 2008 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:03:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Fittings for Edlebrock pump In-Reply-To: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF0903517E@norn32.d30.intra> References: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF0903517E@norn32.d30.intra> Message-ID: <47E1C5DC.1050601@shaw.ca> Hi Tim, If you have the budget, there are these: Earl's 984008 1/2 Hose ID to 3/8" pipe, straight Earl's 984408 1/2 Hose ID to 3/8" pipe, 45 degree Earl's 984208 1/2 Hose ID to 3/8" pipe, 90 degree. List price is $6.82 to $16 or so. Another alternative is to go to stainless braided heater hoses, with the appropriate fittings at the pump. Costs an order of magnitude more, though. Pretty much any good plumbing supply place should carry a selection of brass fittings that would also include these sizes, at less than half the price of the Earl's stuff. Theo From PHEMISG at tc.gc.ca Thu Mar 20 07:04:01 2008 From: PHEMISG at tc.gc.ca (Phemister, George) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:04:01 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Intake Manifolds References: Message-ID: Any thoughts on selecting a manifold for 351W heads? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From laurin212 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 20 09:11:24 2008 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] heater parts needed Message-ID: <593281.28635.qm@web53612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> hi guys. trying to wrap up some parts gathering from spring time work on the ol' tiger. searching high and low for the following. please let me know if you would be willing to sell me these if you have one in the old tiger parts stash. thanks soooo much. peter (1) bracket that holds the mark 1 style heater control value (the early style) (2) the little metal nipple thingy that attaches to one end of the heater control valve to allow the hose to slip over this is what the second one looks like http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v650/peter212/?action=view¤t=46e4_2.jpg Peter Laurinaitis peter.laurinaitis.wg02 at wharton.upenn.edu From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Mar 20 13:04:21 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:04:21 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger party at the Classic Motorsports Mitty Message-ID: I have our Tiger project car about done now (stories start in the July issue) and the first public showing will be at the Classic Motorsports Mitty event at Road Atlanta the first weekend in May (May 2-4). Ford is the featured marque that weekend and the first ever Miller Cup Mustang series race will take place. I would like to invite any and all Sunbeam owners to join me and display their cars in a Sunbeam corrall. If we can get more than a few together or a club involved, I can get some track parade laps at Road Atlanta as well. We also have new MX-5s available to autocross as well. We are having a beer party and dart tournament Saturday night. Full details at: grmspeedfest.com. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Thu Mar 20 13:44:53 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:44:53 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] [Fwd: Follow the trail to Beaulieu this Easter] Message-ID: <47E2CCC5.70505@SoCal.rr.com> Tigers, I have written, a few times, about our visit(s) to England, and the great "Beaulieu" auto museum. I am forwarding the nice invitation I received from them. If you plan to be in England from Friday the 21st through Monday the 24th, it would be worth your while - and a great Egg Hunt for the kiddies. Whenever you are there, this is something not to miss. Check out the URL, below. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ /A personal newsletter for Steve Laifman from Beaulieu : Follow the trail to Beaulieu this Easter During the Easter holidays young visitors to Beaulieu can join in a Hare-Brained Easter Trail - look for the hares and find the answers to the clues. >From Friday 21st b Monday 24th every child will receive an egg-citing chocolate treat from the Easter Bunny in Palace House. Our latest exhibition, bThe Art of Customb, sponsored by Autoglym, was unveiled this week by Lord Montague, right on time for the Easter break. The exhibition showcases the genre of custom vehicles, taking cars and bikes on a creative journey, from ordinary to extraordinary, to produce a unique one-off concept design. This striking and innovative display features vehicles from humble beginnings that youbll not easily recognize once transformed into these works of art. In the popular James Bond Exhibition, you will be bshaken not stirredb by several new exhibits including the Ford driven by Daniel Craig inb Casino Royaleb and the Aston Martin from bThe Living Daylightsb plus memorabilia such as Odd Jobbs Bowler Hat and Jawbs Shirt. For further information visit please http://www.beaulieu.co.uk or call 01590 612345. Beaulieu Tel: 01590 612345 Fax: 01590 612624 E-mail : info at beaulieu.co.uk Web Site : www.beaulieu.co.uk / ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Mar 20 14:32:52 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:32:52 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Pertronics... Message-ID: <47E2D804.3000402@mayfco.com> Is there a web site for pertronics where I can ask a question about the use of a ballast resistor in a race car application? I seem to be able to find only resellers... No not my race car..one I am helping another old geezer with... mayf From fastsage at cox.net Thu Mar 20 14:51:01 2008 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:51:01 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Pertronics... In-Reply-To: <47E2D804.3000402@mayfco.com> References: <47E2D804.3000402@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <47E2DC45.9030902@cox.net> Hello Doctor: Better yet, just call them at 909 599-5955. Ask for tech support. They are very helpful, as I found out several times while working out the bugs in my Tiger/Pertronix ignition.. My suggestion is to tell them about your Sunbeam project. They may be interested in getting involved in some way for publicity, who knows? For reference, their website is http://pertronix.com/ When are you going to be hitting 200 mph in that old car of yours? Steve Sage drmayf wrote: > Is there a web site for pertronics where I can ask a question about the > use of a ballast resistor in a race car application? I seem to be able > to find only resellers... No not my race car..one I am helping another > old geezer with... > > mayf > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09460 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From fastsage at cox.net Thu Mar 20 20:38:04 2008 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 20:38:04 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Manifold Clarification Message-ID: <47E32D9C.80107@cox.net> From reading the links some of you have sent, I'm convinced I am going to pick up some real horsepower and torque by switching out my old LAT Tiger manifold with an Edlebrock. My next decision is the Performer (idle to 5,000 rpm) or the Performer RPM.(1500-6,000 rpm). I'm leaning toward the RPM intake, not that I'll be revving to 6,000 very often. I have a stock 2:88 differential so I'm tapping the pedal to get a clean takeoff and I seem to be over 1500 RPM at that time anyway. Or will I get a lot more jolt right off idle with the standard Performer manifold? Finally, Edlebrock's web site shows the front/rear height of the Performer carb mounting surface being 3.5"/4.75" and the front/rear of the RPM manifold carb mounting surface as 4.3/5.5", basically a 3/4" difference for both measurements. Will the RPM fit under a stock hood with a stock air cleaner and a 1" spacer under the Holley carb (which I have now on my LAT manifold)? I'd hate to give up that spacer which seems to help lessen vapor lock in hot weather. Finally, does the temperature sender have a properly threaded port on the manifold, or will that take modification? Steve Sage 1966 MK1A (289) E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09460 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Thu Mar 20 21:17:52 2008 From: Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:17:52 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Bushing for the pulley and fan for the Edelbrock conversion Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF0906B9C5@norn32.d30.intra> Pulley and Fan - the stock pump fan/pulley flange is 1" in diameter and the Edelbrock pump is only .745" in diameter (3/4") this poses a problem as the shaft will now not center the pulley and the fan. I need to find a bushing with a .745" inside opening with a 1" outside diameter. ANY SUGGESTIONS before I go spend to make one???? I would like to source this tomorrow if I can as I need to get this figured out before I do the second car. So if anyone has a cost effective suggestion on the 3/4" to 1" bushing ... I suspect I need it 1/8 - 3/16" thick but will know more tomorrow after I get the pumps pressed and see how far the 3/4" shaft extends beyond the flange. (I am doing this to two cars as I am helping another tiger owner as well) If you have the 3/4" to 1" bushing and would be willing to sell me 2 or 3 that would be great as well. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak at cox.net From atwittsend at verizon.net Thu Mar 20 21:32:50 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:32:50 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Bushing for the pulley and fan for the Edelbrock conversion References: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF0906B9C5@norn32.d30.intra> Message-ID: <007701c88b0c$a3abc1b0$0202a8c0@student2> Tim, What I have done in such situations is simply rotate the pulley and fan in opposite directions (sustained) while I have someone tighted the bolts. By counter rotating the fan and pulley it causes them each to center on the side of the bolts. It's sort of like water seeking it's own level. While you may want a more permenent solution this certianly works when you have nothing else to use. Tom Witt From CoolVT at aol.com Fri Mar 21 04:28:21 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 07:28:21 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Pusher fan Message-ID: I'm wondering how the people who have installed a pusher fan get it in place. As I measure my car I have 2.75" between the stock fan blade and the front cowling. The radiator measures 2.00" leaving .75" for a fan. How does one squeeze a radiator with a fan mounted through that space? I thought about leaving the stock fan off until the radiator/pusher fan was installed, but I won't have room to mount the stock fan after. It looks to me as if the radiator/pusher fan would have to go in through the bottom with the crossmemember removed?? Or can the pusher fan be mounted through the front with the grill piece removed?? Mark **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From tsmit at shaw.ca Fri Mar 21 08:48:27 2008 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 08:48:27 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Pusher fan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47E3D8CB.7030506@shaw.ca> Mark, In my longest-time-ever engine swap saga, I installed a 1980's Toyota Cressida pusher fan. In the Cressida it was mounted on the front of the rad and AC condenser assembly. The fan is about 12" diameter. This fan has a steel shroud with three mounting ears. One of the three ears was at about the 5 o'clock orientation (viewed from the front) and aligned with the lower rad support, so I drilled a hole there. The second one was aligned at about 8 o'clock and missed everything, so I made a little extension bracket that bridged from there to the lower rad support (where there's an oval 1/4" hole in the support, on the angled part). The third mount was at 12 o'clock and I bent it forward and down so it matched the angle of the Tiger's cowling. I drilled and recessed a hole in the right place on the cowl and that mounts the fan without any direct link to the rad. Then I used some 1/2" weatherstrip rubber to seal the gap between the fan shroud and the radiator. I picked up a Painless Wiring fan harness. It has a relay, and a thermoswitch, and the appropriate wiring to connect everything up. I haven't yet got that mounted, but I put a pipe thread bushing in the hot-side tank for the thermoswitch. I'm thinking that if that causes the fan to come on early and more often, that's probably not a bad thing. Theo From sganz at pacbell.net Fri Mar 21 09:00:38 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 09:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Bushing for the pulley and fan for the Edelbrock conversion Message-ID: <732184.75927.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tim - Have you scavanged through the McMaster Carr catalog on line they have that type of stuff. Search - sleeve bearings and you can select inner and outer diameter and length. They will have it in 10 different materials and styles. I just looked and they have them in bronze. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "Ronak, TP (Timothy)" To: Tigers Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 9:17:52 PM Subject: [Tigers] Bushing for the pulley and fan for the Edelbrock conversion Pulley and Fan - the stock pump fan/pulley flange is 1" in diameter and the Edelbrock pump is only .745" in diameter (3/4") this poses a problem as the shaft will now not center the pulley and the fan. I need to find a bushing with a .745" inside opening with a 1" outside diameter. ANY SUGGESTIONS before I go spend to make one???? I would like to source this tomorrow if I can as I need to get this figured out before I do the second car. So if anyone has a cost effective suggestion on the 3/4" to 1" bushing ... I suspect I need it 1/8 - 3/16" thick but will know more tomorrow after I get the pumps pressed and see how far the 3/4" shaft extends beyond the flange. (I am doing this to two cars as I am helping another tiger owner as well) If you have the 3/4" to 1" bushing and would be willing to sell me 2 or 3 that would be great as well. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak at cox.net You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From stubrennan at comcast.net Fri Mar 21 10:35:15 2008 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (stubrennan at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:35:15 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Subaru Master Cyl. Message-ID: <032120081735.27169.47E3F1D30003538C00006A212200761438020E02020A9D0D9A9B9C@comcast.net> On the Classic Motorsports site, Tim mentions replacing the original master cylinder in his Tiger with a Subaru dual master. He said he hadn't driven his yet, but had driven another. As best as he could remember, the pedal effort and travel didn't seem unreasonable. Have any of you guys done this conversion? How do the brakes feel vs the stock booster setup? What model Subaru, since they had a couple of different master cyls. that year? Does it make any difference which section of the new master goes to the front or rear? Thanks, Stu From robin02 at mindspring.com Fri Mar 21 11:04:37 2008 From: robin02 at mindspring.com (RObin Young) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:04:37 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Subaru Master Cyl. In-Reply-To: <032120081735.27169.47E3F1D30003538C00006A212200761438020E02020A9D0D9A9B9C@comcast.net> References: <032120081735.27169.47E3F1D30003538C00006A212200761438020E02020A9D0D9A9B9C@comcast.net> Message-ID: <022901c88b7e$09191cc0$6600a8c0@RobinLaptop> Stu, I have a dual master on my car that was developed by Derrick White while he was in Sri Lanka. The part is from a Nissan Suni which is exclusively sold in Europe and points east. It stops the car nicely and even though it is not a ABS setup, I have never locked up the wheels with full braking (everything else is standard). It is a 5/8 bore so the pedal travel is slightly greater and there is no problem with not using the booster. Robin Young - On the Classic Motorsports site, Tim mentions replacing the original master cylinder in his Tiger with a Subaru dual master. He said he hadn't driven his yet, but had driven another. As best as he could remember, the pedal effort and travel didn't seem unreasonable. Have any of you guys done this conversion? How do the brakes feel vs the stock booster setup? What model Subaru, since they had a couple of different master cyls. that year? Does it make any difference which section of the new master goes to the front or rear? Thanks, Stu From banana111 at msn.com Fri Mar 21 12:48:37 2008 From: banana111 at msn.com (Brent Edinger) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 12:48:37 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Subaru Master Cyl. Message-ID: Stu, here as the number for the Nissan dual master http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=470&LineCode=UP&P artNumber=39279&Description=Brake+Master+Cylinder+-+New I bought one on Ebay for $50. The stock Tiger master is 7/8 bore, this one is 13/16 which should reduce pedal effort but increase travel somewhat. I ran a 13/16 on my race car and it worked good, but during racing you utilize the adrenaline brake booster. Haven't installed it yet on the Tiger. Brent Message: 11Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:35:15 +0000From: stubrennan at comcast.netSubject: [Tigers] Subaru Master Cyl.To: tigers at autox.team.netMessage-ID:<032120081735.27169.47E3F1D30003538C00006A212 200761438020E02020A9D0D9A9B9C at comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On the Classic Motorsports site, Tim mentions replacing the original master cylinder in his Tiger with a Subaru dual master. He said he hadn't driven his yet, but had driven another. As best as he could remember, the pedal effort and travel didn't seem unreasonable. Have any of you guys done this conversion? How do the brakes feel vs the stock booster setup? What model Subaru, since they had a couple of different master cyls. that year? Does it make any difference which section of the new master goes to the front or rear? Thanks, Stu From atwittsend at verizon.net Fri Mar 21 13:56:07 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:56:07 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Pusher fan References: Message-ID: <004101c88b95$fc6514d0$0202a8c0@student2> Mark, I'll do two sends so you get the picture and one to the list. I used a Mercedes Benz pusher fan. These are found in multitudes at self serve wrecking yards. I think I paid about $15 for mine. I mounted it to the body works so the radiator could be removed without it interfering. It has been a number of years, but I recall finessing it in without removing the radiator (but I can't say for sure). I've not run the car yet so I can't account for the effectiveness. Also, I'm not sure how much I would detect with the engine running, but when I ran the fan by itself I did notice it humming a bit due to the mounting to the body. While not using isolated mounts, I did use rubber on the bolts to limit the vibrations. Tom From drmoonstone at aol.com Fri Mar 21 14:10:36 2008 From: drmoonstone at aol.com (drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:10:36 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Pusher fan In-Reply-To: <47E3D8CB.7030506@shaw.ca> References: <47E3D8CB.7030506@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <8CA59AF24389887-CA8-6B9C@webmail-nf20.sim.aol.com> The dual speed MKVIII Lincoln fan could also be a suitable alternative but would take some engineering. It does move nearly 5000CFM Moonstone From GRMTim at aol.com Fri Mar 21 14:47:38 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:47:38 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Subaru Master Cyl. Message-ID: Sorry, in too big of a hurry. It's an 81 Subaru 1600 (I believe-will check my notes again. I Drove Bill Martin's car (Rootes Group Depot) He does this conversion a lot. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From CoolVT at aol.com Fri Mar 21 14:58:28 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:58:28 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Pusher fan Message-ID: Tom and others who have responded...thank you. A few people now have mentioned that the fan should be mounted to the body works rather than to the radiator. This makes the situation so much easier. When the fan is mounted then the radiator can be slipped in with no problem. I am going to use the existing stock fan so this will just be for additional cooling if the need ever arises. Thanks again, Mark **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From parlanti at comcast.net Fri Mar 21 15:06:48 2008 From: parlanti at comcast.net (Joe Parlanti) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:06:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Subaru Master Cyl. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007c01c88b9f$dd776730$650fa8c0@JVPPC> Stu, This is the same master cylinder that I'm using and it works very well. I don't run a booster and pedal travel and effort are fine. If I recall the only modification that I had to do was to enlarge the large hole in the aluminum spacer slightly. Hope this helps, Joe Parlanti B382000026 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+parlanti=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+parlanti=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brent Edinger Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 3:49 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Subaru Master Cyl. Stu, here as the number for the Nissan dual master http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=470&LineCode =UP&P artNumber=39279&Description=Brake+Master+Cylinder+-+New I bought one on Ebay for $50. The stock Tiger master is 7/8 bore, this one is 13/16 which should reduce pedal effort but increase travel somewhat. I ran a 13/16 on my race car and it worked good, but during racing you utilize the adrenaline brake booster. Haven't installed it yet on the Tiger. Brent From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Fri Mar 21 15:39:33 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:39:33 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Subaru Master Cyl. In-Reply-To: <007c01c88b9f$dd776730$650fa8c0@JVPPC> References: <007c01c88b9f$dd776730$650fa8c0@JVPPC> Message-ID: <39a841b0803211539h4a5ca961m995a9f7dc65cb30e@mail.gmail.com> anyone got a part number for this or a place to get one online? its on my list of things to get too. also, is anyone running this with rear disc brakes and no booster? is there enough travel? On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 10:06 PM, Joe Parlanti wrote: > Stu, > > This is the same master cylinder that I'm using and it works very well. > I don't run a booster and pedal travel and effort are fine. If I recall > the only modification that I had to do was to enlarge the large hole in > the aluminum spacer slightly. > > Hope this helps, > > Joe Parlanti > B382000026 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+parlanti=comcast.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+parlanti=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Brent Edinger > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 3:49 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Subaru Master Cyl. > > Stu, here as the number for the Nissan dual master > http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=470&LineCode > =UP&P > artNumber=39279&Description=Brake+Master+Cylinder+-+New > I bought one on Ebay for $50. The stock Tiger master is 7/8 bore, this > one is > 13/16 which > should reduce pedal effort but increase travel somewhat. I ran a 13/16 > on my > race car and > it worked good, but during racing you utilize the adrenaline brake > booster. > Haven't installed it yet on the Tiger. > > Brent > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From jpkkmk at aol.com Fri Mar 21 15:41:39 2008 From: jpkkmk at aol.com (Patrick) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:41:39 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Bushing for the pulley and fan for the Edelbrock conversion In-Reply-To: <732184.75927.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Buy the waterpump from Rick at Sunbeam Specialties and he includes the bushing! I know everybody likes the edelbrock waterpump but I have a fairly high performance motor and have no problems with overheating with Rick's water pump. Patrick -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jpkkmk=aol.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jpkkmk=aol.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sandy Ganz Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 9:01 AM To: Ronak, TP (Timothy); Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bushing for the pulley and fan for the Edelbrock conversion Tim - Have you scavanged through the McMaster Carr catalog on line they have that type of stuff. Search - sleeve bearings and you can select inner and outer diameter and length. They will have it in 10 different materials and styles. I just looked and they have them in bronze. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "Ronak, TP (Timothy)" To: Tigers Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 9:17:52 PM Subject: [Tigers] Bushing for the pulley and fan for the Edelbrock conversion Pulley and Fan - the stock pump fan/pulley flange is 1" in diameter and the Edelbrock pump is only .745" in diameter (3/4") this poses a problem as the shaft will now not center the pulley and the fan. I need to find a bushing with a .745" inside opening with a 1" outside diameter. ANY SUGGESTIONS before I go spend to make one???? I would like to source this tomorrow if I can as I need to get this figured out before I do the second car. So if anyone has a cost effective suggestion on the 3/4" to 1" bushing ... I suspect I need it 1/8 - 3/16" thick but will know more tomorrow after I get the pumps pressed and see how far the 3/4" shaft extends beyond the flange. (I am doing this to two cars as I am helping another tiger owner as well) If you have the 3/4" to 1" bushing and would be willing to sell me 2 or 3 that would be great as well. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak at cox.net You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as jpkkmk at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From robin02 at mindspring.com Fri Mar 21 16:51:05 2008 From: robin02 at mindspring.com (RObin Young) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:51:05 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Subaru Master Cyl. In-Reply-To: <001501c88ba3$7db01140$0401a8c0@Bret> References: <032120081735.27169.47E3F1D30003538C00006A212200761438020E02020A9D0D9A9B9C@comcast.net> <022901c88b7e$09191cc0$6600a8c0@RobinLaptop> <001501c88ba3$7db01140$0401a8c0@Bret> Message-ID: <023501c88bae$6e2332b0$6600a8c0@RobinLaptop> Bret, my car is a 65 MK 1. I used the reservoir that came with the cylinder and it is a single source reservoir not the twin one in the NAPA site. I cannot find an item code on the one I have and cannot find anything online. Derrick does monitor the traffic so you might give him a try for more info. Robin -----Original Message----- From: Mr bret pemberton [mailto:pembertonltd at verizon.net] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 6:33 PM To: RObin Young Subject: Re: [Tigers] Subaru Master Cyl. What reservoir did you use and what yr of Tiger do you have ----- Original Message ----- From: "RObin Young" To: ; Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Subaru Master Cyl. > Stu, I have a dual master on my car that was developed by Derrick White > while he was in Sri Lanka. The part is from a Nissan Suni which is > exclusively sold in Europe and points east. It stops the car nicely and > even > though it is not a ABS setup, I have never locked up the wheels with full > braking (everything else is standard). It is a 5/8 bore so the pedal > travel > is slightly greater and there is no problem with not using the booster. > Robin Young From CoolVT at aol.com Sat Mar 22 05:17:15 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 08:17:15 EDT Subject: [Tigers] cubby lock Message-ID: Has anyone taken the lock out of their cubby? I can't find any reference to it in the list archives. I have pushed out the pin at the backside and still can't get anything to move. The hex headed piece at the rear turns in both directions and doesn't seem to free anything up. So, before I go prying and ruining the piece, I'm hoping that someone can point me in the right direction. Mark **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From stubrennan at comcast.net Sat Mar 22 08:16:32 2008 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 11:16:32 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Subaru Master Cyl. - Do the math Message-ID: <000201c88c2f$b6ccb640$6601a8c0@Brennan> I think I found the Subaru master cylinder we are talking about, at NAPA. It's an '80, not '81. Their data says the bore is 13/16. OK, calculator time A 13/16 bore has a piston area of about.0.518 square inches. My spare Tiger master is a 0.875 bore, with an area of about 0.601 sq . in. So for the same pedal pressure, the Subaru master will produce about 16% more pressure in the brake line than the stock master. Sounds great, but remember that the booster is not in service, so you loose it's pressure amplification, which, IIRC, was much greater than the minimal gain above. So the math seems to indicate that there is a significant increase in pedal pressure for the same amount of braking effect. Now, a master with a 5/8 inch bore would have a piston area of about 0.306 sq. in., which would provide a gain of about 2 over stock, which would come closer to the original system performance. Does such a piece exist? I've driven my Tiger with the booster bypassed with the original master cyl, and for me, it was not a pleasant experience. Maybe if your college sport was football, you can manage it, but I'm not quite that muscular. Other opinions? Have I missed something? Stu From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Sat Mar 22 08:35:03 2008 From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 11:35:03 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Subaru Master Cyl. - Do the math Message-ID: I have an Alpine S-II master cylinder which I plan on installing soon. My understanding is that this M/C will give really nice pedal feel while generating the necessary pressure. I think the bore is 5/8", so what Stu is saying should be accurate. Fred Baum 9470768 **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Sat Mar 22 08:38:12 2008 From: Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 11:38:12 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Bushing for the pulley and fan for the Edelbrock conversion Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF0906C3A1@norn32.d30.intra> Patrick, I am looking to upgrade the cooling system and have chosen the edelbrock pump ... not sure if it will be an improvement but it certainly seems to be a more robust unit than the stock one. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak at cox.net From garywinblad at comcast.net Sat Mar 22 08:47:05 2008 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:47:05 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Subaru Master Cyl. - Do the math Message-ID: <032220081547.28639.47E529F90001031400006FDF22155538940B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net> My modified system has a 3/4 in bore dual master from a late 70's Ford Courier, Dale's rear disk conversion and carbon pads all around, and CAT SS brake lines. It is a wonderful combination.. firm pedal, light effort, that good safe feeling you have when you know it's a dual system!! Gary -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Stu Brennan" > I think I found the Subaru master cylinder we are talking about, at > NAPA. It's an '80, not '81. Their data says the bore is 13/16. OK, > calculator time From CoolVT at aol.com Sat Mar 22 09:23:09 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 12:23:09 EDT Subject: [Tigers] cubby lock Message-ID: Well, whatever is should be called, it's apart. The screw holding the locking arm in place was stripped. I had to grind the head off, take it apart and then using small vice grips was able to get the screw out. Now I'll try to clean the threads up in the cylinder and go with a new machine screw. It appears to be #8 x32, but I can't really tell. Would they have used metric on this??/ Mark **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From jteepen at usatoday.com Sat Mar 22 11:46:34 2008 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:46:34 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Subaru Master Cyl. - Do the math In-Reply-To: <000201c88c2f$b6ccb640$6601a8c0@Brennan> Message-ID: Stu: >From my experience a master cylinder with a .70 bore is the way to go when not using a booster. Good pedal feel and very effective response. Girling does make these units, and I get mine from Doug Jennings at Tiger Auto. This is one of the many things I learned from Doug Jennings. Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stu Brennan Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 8:17 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Subaru Master Cyl. - Do the math I think I found the Subaru master cylinder we are talking about, at NAPA. It's an '80, not '81. Their data says the bore is 13/16. OK, calculator time A 13/16 bore has a piston area of about.0.518 square inches. My spare Tiger master is a 0.875 bore, with an area of about 0.601 sq . in. So for the same pedal pressure, the Subaru master will produce about 16% more pressure in the brake line than the stock master. Sounds great, but remember that the booster is not in service, so you loose it's pressure amplification, which, IIRC, was much greater than the minimal gain above. So the math seems to indicate that there is a significant increase in pedal pressure for the same amount of braking effect. Now, a master with a 5/8 inch bore would have a piston area of about 0.306 sq. in., which would provide a gain of about 2 over stock, which would come closer to the original system performance. Does such a piece exist? I've driven my Tiger with the booster bypassed with the original master cyl, and for me, it was not a pleasant experience. Maybe if your college sport was football, you can manage it, but I'm not quite that muscular. Other opinions? Have I missed something? Stu From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sat Mar 22 18:36:03 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:36:03 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Manifold Clarification In-Reply-To: <47E32D9C.80107@cox.net> References: <47E32D9C.80107@cox.net> Message-ID: <47E5B403.3030504@SoCal.rr.com> Steve, I have the Edelbrock Performer manifold made as a LAT option by Vic. With the original 4 bbl. Holley 365 CFM carb, and the original air cleaner size and end plates, it will not hit a stock hood, or a LAT hood. BUT, there is little room left for any increase in height. The Performer RPM is a good deal higher than the Performer, and hood clearance could be an issue. The set-up I have is smooth and performs well, with no signs of boggy overcarburation. The reason the LAT manifold changed is that Vic Edelbrock saw the lo-rise LAT original offering at a race track here in California. He immediately put together the package I have and put it on the race car Tiger for test. It worked so well that the LAT team here changed the LAT option package. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_service/pp-wheatley.asp & Directly: http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_service/pp-pricelist.asp Lots more on LAT options on the site. Steve L ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Steve Sage wrote: > From reading the links some of you have sent, I'm convinced I am going > to pick up some real horsepower and torque by switching out my old LAT > Tiger manifold with an Edlebrock. > > My next decision is the Performer (idle to 5,000 rpm) or the Performer > RPM.(1500-6,000 rpm). I'm leaning toward the RPM intake, not that I'll > be revving to 6,000 very often. I have a stock 2:88 differential so I'm > tapping the pedal to get a clean takeoff and I seem to be over 1500 RPM > at that time anyway. Or will I get a lot more jolt right off idle with > the standard Performer manifold? > > Finally, Edlebrock's web site shows the front/rear height of the > Performer carb mounting surface being 3.5"/4.75" and the front/rear of > the RPM manifold carb mounting surface as 4.3/5.5", basically a 3/4" > difference for both measurements. Will the RPM fit under a stock hood > with a stock air cleaner and a 1" spacer under the Holley carb (which I > have now on my LAT manifold)? I'd hate to give up that spacer which > seems to help lessen vapor lock in hot weather. > > Finally, does the temperature sender have a properly threaded port on > the manifold, or will that take modification? > > Steve Sage > 1966 MK1A (289) From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sat Mar 22 18:45:13 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 18:45:13 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Pusher fan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47E5B629.2090206@SoCal.rr.com> Mark, For a lot of cooling tips, see my Article "Cool It Buddy" fans, ducts, etc: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > I'm wondering how the people who have installed a pusher fan get it in > place. As I measure my car I have 2.75" between the stock fan blade and the front > cowling. The radiator measures 2.00" leaving .75" for a fan. How does one > squeeze a radiator with a fan mounted through that space? > I thought about leaving the stock fan off until the radiator/pusher fan was > installed, but I won't have room to mount the stock fan after. It looks to > me as if the radiator/pusher fan would have to go in through the bottom with > the crossmemember removed?? Or can the pusher fan be mounted through the > front with the grill piece removed?? > Mark From sunbeamjohn at msn.com Sat Mar 22 20:24:44 2008 From: sunbeamjohn at msn.com (sunbeam john) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:24:44 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Problem Message-ID: I added another Tiger to my garage and I found that I have a problem with my right side rear lights. When I use the right turn signal the turn signal lights works but the tail lights also blinks very faintly. When I turn the head lights on the turn signal works with a very faint light and the tail light blinks brightly. I check the wiring and it appears to be correct and I change some of the connects with no success. Any electrical masters out there that can help me? Thank you, John sunbeamjohn at msn.com From robin02 at mindspring.com Sun Mar 23 06:01:15 2008 From: robin02 at mindspring.com (RObin Young) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 09:01:15 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <026701c88ce5$faf1f720$6600a8c0@RobinLaptop> It sounds like a bad ground on the right light housing. What ever the problem, this is the easiest thing to check first. RObin -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+robin02=mindspring.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+robin02=mindspring.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sunbeam john Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:25 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Problem I added another Tiger to my garage and I found that I have a problem with my right side rear lights. When I use the right turn signal the turn signal lights works but the tail lights also blinks very faintly. When I turn the head lights on the turn signal works with a very faint light and the tail light blinks brightly. I check the wiring and it appears to be correct and I change some of the connects with no success. Any electrical masters out there that can help me? Thank you, John sunbeamjohn at msn.com From Carmods at aol.com Sun Mar 23 06:12:44 2008 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 09:12:44 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Problem Message-ID: In a message dated 3/22/2008 11:24:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sunbeamjohn at msn.com writes: When I use the right turn signal the turn signal lights works but the tail lights also blinks very faintly. Hi John, Yes, you have a poor ground in that light and the current is passing through the tail light bulb to get to a ground. John Logan **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From max348 at comcast.net Sun Mar 23 08:39:18 2008 From: max348 at comcast.net (R Smith) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 11:39:18 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Intake Manifolds References: Message-ID: <001f01c88cfc$0e97b650$9c5a7d18@maxh5p0k3wk247> I have a Weiland Stealth model#8020 that sits upon 351W heads. The clearence coud be an issue for you though depending on carb, air cleaner, etc... I prviously had an Edelbrock Torquer which I liked, but upon removing found that there was to much corrosion on the surface areas where it sealed on the heads, and not wanting to take any chances, purchased a new one. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phemister, George" To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Intake Manifolds > Any thoughts on selecting a manifold for 351W heads? From mrlau at charter.net Sun Mar 23 10:25:58 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:25:58 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080323172604.MCFA11293.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> Anytime that you have a situation where two things come on when only one should it is because the circuit has become in series instead of being in parallel. The by far easiest way for this to happen is to lose your ground. The likelihood of it happening some other way is just about nil. --Bill -- In a message dated 3/22/2008 11:24:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sunbeamjohn at msn.com writes: When I use the right turn signal the turn signal lights works but the tail lights also blinks very faintly. Hi John, Yes, you have a poor ground in that light and the current is passing through the tail light bulb to get to a ground. John Logan From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sun Mar 23 12:18:20 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:18:20 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Mk I names In-Reply-To: <023501c88bae$6e2332b0$6600a8c0@RobinLaptop> References: <032120081735.27169.47E3F1D30003538C00006A212200761438020E02020A9D0D9A9B9C@comcast.net> <022901c88b7e$09191cc0$6600a8c0@RobinLaptop> <001501c88ba3$7db01140$0401a8c0@Bret> <023501c88bae$6e2332b0$6600a8c0@RobinLaptop> Message-ID: <47E6ACFC.3060209@SoCal.rr.com> Tigers, A note of interest. In British practice, there NEVER was a "Mark 1", until there was at least a Mark 1A, or a Mark II released. ;-) Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Robin Young wrote: > Bret, my car is a 65 MK 1. <-- snip --> From rpalmerbob at roadrunner.com Sun Mar 23 12:23:45 2008 From: rpalmerbob at roadrunner.com (Robert Palmer) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:23:45 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Subaru Master Cyl. - Do the math In-Reply-To: References: <000201c88c2f$b6ccb640$6601a8c0@Brennan> Message-ID: <007301c88d1b$69ec33e0$6501a8c0@tarbaby> Listers, Recognize that 1/2 the pedal pressure also means 2X the pedal travel. If you still have the original rear shoe brakes - and especially if you use Alpine slave cylinders - you will need to keep them well adjusted. If you have gone to rear disks, pedal travel is less of an issue - less travel and no adjustment. The type of friction material you use is also a big consideration, not only initially, but if the material tends to fade when hot, you could wind up wishing you still had a booster. There are some good materials available that satisfy both criteria. Bob -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rpalmerbob=roadrunner.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rpalmerbob=roadrunner.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Teepen, Jere Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:47 AM To: Stu Brennan; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Subaru Master Cyl. - Do the math Stu: >From my experience a master cylinder with a .70 bore is the way to go when not using a booster. Good pedal feel and very effective response. Girling does make these units, and I get mine from Doug Jennings at Tiger Auto. This is one of the many things I learned from Doug Jennings. Jere From rcsphx at qwest.net Sun Mar 23 17:44:46 2008 From: rcsphx at qwest.net (Richard) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:44:46 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] HOSE CLAMPS Message-ID: <000a01c88d48$4fea0e40$6501a8c0@D4TDG641> Anyone have a source for the original style 2 wire hose clamps used on the MKII? Richard From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Mar 23 18:13:34 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 21:13:34 EDT Subject: [Tigers] HOSE CLAMPS Message-ID: Here are a couple of places to try. _http://www.kshoseclamp.com/wire_clamp.htm_ (http://www.kshoseclamp.com/wire_clamp.htm) _http://www.jdheritage.net/DeerelyDeparted/Items/1006.asp_ (http://www.jdheritage.net/DeerelyDeparted/Items/1006.asp) _http://www.cheyennesales.com/catalog/dclamps.htm_ (http://www.cheyennesales.com/catalog/dclamps.htm) **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From sunbeamjohn at msn.com Sun Mar 23 22:03:21 2008 From: sunbeamjohn at msn.com (sunbeam john) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 22:03:21 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 4 Speed Shifter Message-ID: Does anyone know if the 641/2 Mustang 4 speed shifter is the same unit as the M1A 4 speed shifter it look just like it? Thank you, John sunbeamjohn at msn.com From mark.rense at ge.com Mon Mar 24 06:19:23 2008 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:19:23 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Subaru Master Cyl. - Do the math In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fred, I have been running the 5/8" bore master cylinder on both of my Tigers for at least the last five years. The braking effort is a little higher than with the stock booster, but the feel is much more tactile, and modulating lock-up is much easier when approaching the limit. If you are going to use the 5/8" MC, make sure that your rear brakes are in tip-top condition, your adjusters lubed and free, and your drums are true. You will need to adjust your rear brakes a lot more, since you are displacing less fluid with the smaller bore. I consider it a fair trade-off. Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 11:35 AM To: stubrennan at comcast.net; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Subaru Master Cyl. - Do the math I have an Alpine S-II master cylinder which I plan on installing soon. My understanding is that this M/C will give really nice pedal feel while generating the necessary pressure. I think the bore is 5/8", so what Stu is saying should be accurate. Fred Baum 9470768 From Carmods at aol.com Mon Mar 24 06:43:22 2008 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:43:22 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Subaru Master Cyl. - Do the math Message-ID: Does anyone know if Subaru or someone else makes a dual 5/8" cylinder and if so what is the part number or year. Are there any markings that indicate the size? John Logan **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Mon Mar 24 07:25:45 2008 From: Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:25:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Brake Master and 4-wheel disk brakes Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF090AC5F7@norn32.d30.intra> Guys, I am running a Subaru master as well and I sourced it from Dale A. it works VERY well with the 4 wheel disk set up I also sourced from Dale A. When I did the Brake upgrade I also used the vented from rotors from Dale and the entire combination works great. The only hiccup was that when I installed everything the pedal was VERY low and it gave me no confidence so I started tearing the Brake Pedal out again to bend it and noticed a second hole lower down in the arm. Tried the lower hole and it gave me ALL of the travel I needed. So those of you running the dual master be aware of the second hole if you need a little more travel. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak at cox.net From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Mon Mar 24 10:26:22 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:26:22 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Top Gear - BBC A Message-ID: <47E7E43E.7030802@SoCal.rr.com> I am certain that the List contains car enthusiasts, a given. However, If you don't have access to cable or satellite TV, this message is not for you. There is an extremely entertaining BBC show called Top Gear, and it is shown on cable channel BBC A. It is always entertaining and amusing. Tonight, at least in L.A., there are 4 hour long episodes starting at 8:00 p.m. If the better half insists on "Prancing With the Stars", and you have a cable channel box with hard drive, you can record it for latter viewing. You don't even need the subtitles. ;-) Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com From Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Mon Mar 24 10:56:19 2008 From: Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:56:19 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Intake manifold article Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF090ACBC5@norn32.d30.intra> Sean and listers Regarding Intake height and the RPM vs RPM Air Gap ... It is important to note that if the motor mounts are installed on opposite sides they may result in the engine sitting a little higher in the vehicle. This would impact hood clearance to the air cleaner. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak at cox.net From stubrennan at comcast.net Mon Mar 24 11:36:45 2008 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (stubrennan at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:36:45 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Top Gear - BBC A Message-ID: <032420081836.3879.47E7F4BD00045D3B00000F272207020853020E02020A9D0D9A9B9C@comcast.net> I'll second those comments. These guys have incredible imaginations and senses of humor. Recent escapades include a vertical vs horizontal 1 mile "out and back" race (Bugatti vs RAF jet fighter), an expedition across Africa in clapped out 2wd sedans, and crossing the English channel in cars converted to boats. The cinematography and editing are of the highest standard. Even my wife and youngest daughter, neither of which want anything to do with the other car stuff I watch, are fans. Check it out. Stu From cmccann at lwpb.com Mon Mar 24 11:50:11 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:50:11 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Top Gear - BBC A In-Reply-To: <032420081836.3879.47E7F4BD00045D3B00000F272207020853020E02020A9D0D9A9B9C@comcast.net> References: <032420081836.3879.47E7F4BD00045D3B00000F272207020853020E02020A9D0D9A9B9C@comcast.net> Message-ID: I'll third(?)the comments...Great show. I didn't have access to the show until I upgraded my satellite package recently, but I had been watching them on the internet and at friend's houses for years. Sometimes they do episodes that aren't all that interesting to me, it will be about minivans and cross country driving and stuff, but most of them are truly outstanding. I like to go on Youtube and watch top gear clips. Just type in Top Gear or "Jeremy Clarkson", the humorous British narrator of the show, and you will get a whole lot of great scenes of the show. I highly recommend, the "Arial Atom" (spell check) and shooting cars", among others. Cullen B382001452 LROFE From Rollright at aol.com Mon Mar 24 12:07:40 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:07:40 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 112 Message-ID: Re: two wire hose clamp.........in British that is "hose clip" Available in 1 3/4" and 4" at: _www.holden.co.uk_ (http://www.holden.co.uk) , search= wire clip. BTW..there may be more sizes available. This is what I found fast. Best to all, Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From max348 at comcast.net Mon Mar 24 14:33:04 2008 From: max348 at comcast.net (R Smith) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:33:04 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Intake Manifolds References: <001f01c88cfc$0e97b650$9c5a7d18@maxh5p0k3wk247> Message-ID: <001d01c88df6$a54fc9c0$9c5a7d18@maxh5p0k3wk247> my heads have had some "work" done, so I can't say for sure how they would have matched-up to the intake having been stock. In either case, gasket matching isn't that big of a deal if you want a perfect match between the two. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phemister, George" To: "R Smith" Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 9:01 AM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Intake Manifolds thanks for the reply. how did the port sizes match up? From Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Mon Mar 24 14:59:10 2008 From: Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:59:10 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Intake manifold article Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF090AD177@norn32.d30.intra> Robert, I do not have height measurements for the engine that are from a generic source, but for what it is worth if the mounts are in opposite then the engine will be slightly forward and higher than otherwise as I recall. My engine is 10.25 inches measured from the MSD Distributor to the nearest edge of the formed opening of the engine bay. Not sure though if the MSD distributor is the same diameter as a stock Ford unit. I took a 2x4 and laid it across the fenders directly over the timing cover and measured down 7 and 5/8 inches (7-5/8") to the timing cover casting at the formation of the uppermost bolt (Closest point to 2x4). This should give you a decent comparison. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak at cox.net -----Original Message----- From: R Smith [mailto:max348 at comcast.net] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 2:43 PM To: Ronak, TP (Timothy) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Intake manifold article Hello Tim, Is there any way to determine which mount is the left & which is the right. There were no markings on the mounts I received from SS last year & as I am trying to recall the installation, I "think" they would only go on one way anyway? I could be wrong though... My engine does seem to sit a bit higher than what it was before the install, but I figured that was attributed to the new mounts? Do you know of any measurements that could be referenced to determine what should be - the correct height of the motor? Thanks, Rob Smith From cmccann at lwpb.com Tue Mar 25 09:15:24 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:15:24 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] perception of a complete project car Message-ID: Topic: eBay auction 150229401101, unrestored original 65 Tiger....... Seller is asking 9500.00 for the car, buy-it-now, as it sits, with hardtop. It's probably about worth that...... BUT, This is always misleading to me, and interesting if you look at the specifics. It's a given in this case that the car is mostly all there, in some form. When most people restore a car in this condition, Tiger or otherwise, the certainly would replace all wearable components: interior, some or most of the glass, most of the trim, bright work, emblems, rebuild the entire drivetrain, new dash, new tires and often wheels, new springs, new shocks, rubber, wiring, most of the brake related hardware etc.....and this car for example doesn't have a Title, which would be a process to get one here in Oklahoma with only a bill of sale, albeit possible. My point is, if you take away everything from the car that the future owner will discard during restoration, it wouldn't look like much was left. Body and sheet metal, gauges, front and rear suspension, block, crank and rods and transmission, steering column, seat frames, maybe some trim and glass if you are lucky. If this car had all that removed, or it was in boxes, I don't think it would bring 9500 bucks. Several project cars in the last few weeks have come and gone for less that had most of the basic needed components, they were just in pieces. So the value of a complete and unrestored car over one in boxes that still has all the fundamentally necessary components for restoration must be for the owners interest in documenting the car, or taking it apart himself so he can understand how it goes back together, ease in verification of matching numbers on the critical elements...etc? There is just a bit of irony there....it seems like a lot of money to pay for stuff you will just wind up throwing away anyway, but obviously there is a peace of mind to be gained, and knowledge of the background of your new project car. Maybe it also just saves the pain and suffering of matching up new hardware with old hardware, and getting that completely correct new sheet metal screw to replace the one that you took out. Hmmmm...maybe I'm thinking about it too hard. Interesting though. Cullen B382001452 From CoolVT at aol.com Tue Mar 25 09:25:19 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:25:19 EDT Subject: [Tigers] perception of a complete project car Message-ID: Cullen, I agree with what you say. I think most of us have come to the conclusion that if we try to calculate Tiger ownership in dollars and cents..it doesn't make sense. If someone wants a nice Tiger and doesn't car about doing the restoration himself, it is definitely cheaper to buy one that has been restored. M **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 09:36:05 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:36:05 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] perception of a complete project car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39a841b0803250936p998d9a2n5f9b26d2645bec01@mail.gmail.com> As I've said before, in the uk this sort of nuts and bolts restoration is not so common. This car would probably get new bushings, bearings, ball joints. Maybe shocks and little T-cut on the paint and then it would be enjoyed as is. I guess when its cloudy you don't notice bad chrome and old paint :) On 3/25/08, CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > Cullen, > I agree with what you say. I think most of us have come to the conclusion > that if we try to calculate Tiger ownership in dollars and cents..it > doesn't > make sense. > If someone wants a nice Tiger and doesn't car about doing the restoration > himself, it is definitely cheaper to buy one that has been restored. > M > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From CoolVT at aol.com Tue Mar 25 09:38:21 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:38:21 EDT Subject: [Tigers] perception of a complete project car Message-ID: I think, for whatever reason, the car is worth more in one piece rather than in boxes (to throw away). Wow, that is a real project. I'm curious to get lister's opinions on what it would cost to put this car into something like a #8 condition? Just a nice Tiger, but not concours. First the cost in parts and rebuilds if the owner can do a majority of the labor??? Then the cost if the whole project was sent out to put in the same #8 condition??? **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From rjw at wengco.com Tue Mar 25 10:06:29 2008 From: rjw at wengco.com (Robert J. Wanty) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:06:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] perception of a complete project car Message-ID: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C57DD348@weco1.wengco.com> I may be wrong but I don't think that is a Tiger; take a look at the tunnel, the shift tower, and vent for the battery. More photos would help but I am suspect. Bob B382001318 -----Original Message----- From: Cullen McCann [mailto:cmccann at lwpb.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 12:15 PM To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] perception of a complete project car Topic: eBay auction 150229401101, unrestored original 65 Tiger....... Seller is asking 9500.00 for the car, buy-it-now, as it sits, with hardtop. It's probably about worth that...... BUT, This is always misleading to me, and interesting if you look at the specifics. It's a given in this case that the car is mostly all there, in some form. When most people restore a car in this condition, Tiger or otherwise, the certainly would replace all wearable components: interior, some or most of the glass, most of the trim, bright work, emblems, rebuild the entire drivetrain, new dash, new tires and often wheels, new springs, new shocks, rubber, wiring, most of the brake related hardware etc.....and this car for example doesn't have a Title, which would be a process to get one here in Oklahoma with only a bill of sale, albeit possible. My point is, if you take away everything from the car that the future owner will discard during restoration, it wouldn't look like much was left. Body and sheet metal, gauges, front and rear suspension, block, crank and rods and transmission, steering column, seat frames, maybe some trim and glass if you are lucky. If this car had all that removed, or it was in boxes, I don't think it would bring 9500 bucks. Several project cars in the last few weeks have come and gone for less that had most of the basic needed components, they were just in pieces. So the value of a complete and unrestored car over one in boxes that still has all the fundamentally necessary components for restoration must be for the owners interest in documenting the car, or taking it apart himself so he can understand how it goes back together, ease in verification of matching numbers on the critical elements...etc? There is just a bit of irony there....it seems like a lot of money to pay for stuff you will just wind up throwing away anyway, but obviously there is a peace of mind to be gained, and knowledge of the background of your new project car. Maybe it also just saves the pain and suffering of matching up new hardware with old hardware, and getting that completely correct new sheet metal screw to replace the one that you took out. Hmmmm...maybe I'm thinking about it too hard. Interesting though. Cullen B382001452 You are subscribed as rjw at wengco.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.0/1342 - Release Date: 3/25/2008 10:26 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.0/1342 - Release Date: 3/25/2008 10:26 AM From cmccann at lwpb.com Tue Mar 25 11:29:17 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:29:17 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] perception of a complete project car In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well for starters, any reputable painter around here would charge at least 7- 8 grand to do finish body work and paint the car, and I know several that wouldn't do it for less than about 11. Granted that's for a #9 car or something. And that's considering an Oklahoma cost of living....sure it would be more on the coastal areas for a lot of you guys. There are so many variables. I try to really "shop" my parts, meaning to be able to afford to play with the Tiger and other projects as much as I want, I have to buy used parts and have things rebuilt, take my time and wait for the right deal, and not just buy the needed component brand new, outright everytime.....I know that it saves me a lot of money as long as I don't put a value to my own time.... Subject: Re: [Tigers] perception of a complete project car I think, for whatever reason, the car is worth more in one piece rather than in boxes (to throw away). Wow, that is a real project. I'm curious to get lister's opinions on what it would cost to put this car into something like a #8 condition? Just a nice Tiger, but not concours. First the cost in parts and rebuilds if the owner can do a majority of the labor??? Then the cost if the whole project was sent out to put in the same #8 condition??? From jaars at emailmv.com Tue Mar 25 11:36:20 2008 From: jaars at emailmv.com (Robert Jaarsma) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:36:20 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hose Clamps Message-ID: <000001c88ea7$22b3f200$306d7dc7@userqlmt4f4s6s> I found a variety available from Moss Motors. Fe. Austin Healey uses #326-255 is the 4" clip , and 326-360, 635-100. Ask their tech support for the exact dia's. Robert. From laurin212 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 11:46:41 2008 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:46:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] ammeter got me stumped Message-ID: <808360.22607.qm@web53601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> BON page 164 says the 30/30 LUCAS was the only option for generator-equiped vehicles. does anyone know if Jaeger 30/30 or LUCAS 35/35 were ever OEM parts on tigers from the factory? Peter Laurinaitis peter.laurinaitis.wg02 at wharton.upenn.edu From twotigers at verizon.net Tue Mar 25 12:17:47 2008 From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:17:47 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] ammeter Message-ID: <001101c88eac$e95acbe0$2f01a8c0@smith> Several years ago I mentioned the lack of any reference to Jaeger instruments in BON to Norm. It was sort of like Dorothy approaching the Wizard;) As I was awaiting my flaming, Norm calmly says (paraphrase), "Oh, I forgot about that". So, 'yes', Jaeger 30 for a Tiger with a generator is correct-o-mundo. Kirk B382000503 From rootes1 at earthlink.net Tue Mar 25 12:35:20 2008 From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:35:20 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] ammeter In-Reply-To: <001101c88eac$e95acbe0$2f01a8c0@smith> References: <001101c88eac$e95acbe0$2f01a8c0@smith> Message-ID: Sorry, but Mr. Smith is in error. The only correct instrument option for generator equipped Tigers was the Lucas -30/+30 gauge. ncm At 12:17 PM 3/25/2008, Kirk Smith wrote: >...snip..So, 'yes', Jaeger 30 for a Tiger with a generator is correct-o-mundo. From CoolVT at aol.com Tue Mar 25 12:45:50 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:45:50 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Rochester, NY car dealer Message-ID: Sorry to bomb the list...can the list member who lives in the Rochester, NY area contact me. Thanks, Mark **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From twotigers at verizon.net Tue Mar 25 14:05:42 2008 From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:05:42 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] uh-oh Message-ID: <001a01c88ebb$fccb0050$2f01a8c0@smith> Hi Norm! So...I wonder if anybody else has a dash full of Jaeger instruments other than me? CAT sells the Jaeger 30/30 ammeter, as well as the Jaeger 50/50 ammeter (for alternator cars). It's a good thing the United is almost here. I'll be the one checking out everybody's dash board! See you there:) Kirk. From sunbeamjohn at msn.com Tue Mar 25 16:21:21 2008 From: sunbeamjohn at msn.com (sunbeam john) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:21:21 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] LAT 79 Hood Message-ID: I have a LAT 79 hood that does not have the grill inserts. Does anyone know where I can get replacement inserts? thanks, John sunbeamjohn at msn.com From achd73 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 18:09:14 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:09:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] still laughing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <656479.12330.qm@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> List- Ok, maybe this person is serious and maybe he is wasting time and money- I think he is serious- go to Epay and using this item number(280073620727).Sorry Ive forgotten how to send you a link, directly to the page etc. but I promise it is worth looking at his Beam parts and store- if you dont like his buy it now prices, he will entertain offers.It is good he has a picapart S4 he is parting out, I can imangine Tiger parts near 10k for headlight retaining rings-or what he would do witha Mk2 box of goodies. Enjoy the look and hey, maybe you will see something you just have to have- RIGHT lol. TonytheTiger ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From laurin212 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 25 18:14:00 2008 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:14:00 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] LAT 79 Hood References: Message-ID: <006f01c88ede$acac8350$6501a8c0@PETERHOME> if it is the wire mesh thingies you are looking for, try kent wilcox who makes hoods, he might be willing to send you a set i can dig up his info if you cant find it peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "sunbeam john" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:21 PM Subject: [Tigers] LAT 79 Hood >I have a LAT 79 hood that does not have the grill inserts. Does anyone know > where I can get replacement inserts? > thanks, > John > sunbeamjohn at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as laurin212 at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From mrlau at charter.net Tue Mar 25 18:43:23 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:43:23 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] still laughing In-Reply-To: <656479.12330.qm@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080326014327.QUUC17353.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> List- Ok, maybe this person is serious and maybe he is wasting time and money- I think he is serious- go to Ebay and using this item number(280073620727).Sorry Ive forgotten how to send you a link, directly to the page etc. but I promise it is worth looking at his Beam parts and store- if you dont like his buy it now prices, he will entertain offers.It is good he has a picapart S4 he is parting out, I can imangine Tiger parts near 10k for headlight retaining rings-or what he would do witha Mk2 box of goodies. Enjoy the look and hey, maybe you will see something you just have to have- RIGHT lol. TonytheTiger Someone please in the make offer spot for the wheel, put 79 cents. I'm afraid to because I might win it and have to pay shipping. --Bill -- From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 25 18:52:52 2008 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:52:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] still laughing In-Reply-To: <20080326014327.QUUC17353.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: <637532.40491.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What's he know that we don't know? Has there been a run on Alpine wheels? Somebody should have the guy look at the other Alpine wheel auction on eBay now: item number 280211411331. That auction offers three of those "valuable" and scarce wheels, no reserve... at $19.95. Bill William Lau wrote: List- Ok, maybe this person is serious and maybe he is wasting time and money- I think he is serious- go to Ebay and using this item number(280073620727).Sorry Ive forgotten how to send you a link, directly to the page etc. but I promise it is worth looking at his Beam parts and store- if you dont like his buy it now prices, he will entertain offers.It is good he has a picapart S4 he is parting out, I can imangine Tiger parts near 10k for headlight retaining rings-or what he would do witha Mk2 box of goodies. Enjoy the look and hey, maybe you will see something you just have to have- RIGHT lol. TonytheTiger Someone please in the make offer spot for the wheel, put 79 cents. I'm afraid to because I might win it and have to pay shipping. --Bill -- You are subscribed as fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From jim at island.net Tue Mar 25 19:13:46 2008 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:13:46 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] still laughing In-Reply-To: <637532.40491.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <083601c88ee7$05d42d40$0300a8c0@JIMPC> Would you believe ... That guy had I think it was a horn ring and another small part on fee-bay last fall ( along with everything else) and I made him what would be a slightly lower than the going price offer ... and he took my offer for both...!! I seem to remember he wanted something like $250 for the ring and I gave him $50 ... lol Jim 382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Waite Sent: March 25, 2008 6:53 PM To: William Lau; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] still laughing What's he know that we don't know? Has there been a run on Alpine wheels? Somebody should have the guy look at the other Alpine wheel auction on eBay now: item number 280211411331. That auction offers three of those "valuable" and scarce wheels, no reserve... at $19.95. Bill William Lau wrote: List- Ok, maybe this person is serious and maybe he is wasting time and money- I think he is serious- go to Ebay and using this item number(280073620727).Sorry Ive forgotten how to send you a link, directly to the page etc. but I promise it is worth looking at his Beam parts and store- if you dont like his buy it now prices, he will entertain offers.It is good he has a picapart S4 he is parting out, I can imangine Tiger parts near 10k for headlight retaining rings-or what he would do witha Mk2 box of goodies. Enjoy the look and hey, maybe you will see something you just have to have- RIGHT lol. TonytheTiger Someone please in the make offer spot for the wheel, put 79 cents. I'm afraid to because I might win it and have to pay shipping. --Bill -- You are subscribed as fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as jim at island.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From twotigers at verizon.net Wed Mar 26 00:17:15 2008 From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:17:15 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] uh-oh ammeter Message-ID: <001c01c88f11$6bc1fb30$2f01a8c0@smith> I think a little clarification is in order...First off, I have a huge amount of respect for Norm and what he means to the Tiger community. He's been a help to me on more than one occasion, and I consider him a friend. The conversation I had with Norm several years ago was not about ammeters. I had querried him about not finding any info in the BON on Jaeger instruments. There was mention of Smiths and Lucas (yes, for the ammeter). I know there is a Smiths/Jaeger connection, but I couldn't find references to the Jaeger instrument faces in the BON, and that's what I was asking Norm about. On to the present day- I should have read Peter's email a little more carefully. Yes, Lucas supplied the optional 30/30 ammeter from the factory. The Lucas 35/35 would have been for an alternator equipped car. CAT has been selling the Jaeger 30/30 since sometime in the '70's. If you have Jaeger faced instruments and want a matching 30/30 ammeter, then Jaeger would be fine, just not factory supplied. Hope that clears that up! Hey, let's not forget, I won the 'Tiger Quiz' at TU XXVIII in Santa Maria:) That counts for something, right? Kirk. From CMeinel464 at aol.com Wed Mar 26 03:58:52 2008 From: CMeinel464 at aol.com (CMeinel464 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 06:58:52 EDT Subject: [Tigers] uh-oh ammeter Message-ID: Kirk, I've owned my 67 Alpine from new and have owned 16 Alpines & Tigers over the years. "From the factory" all instruments have Jaeger on the faces ( I believe Jaeger was a division of Smiths) with the exception of the clock (Smith's) and ammeter (Lucas). I also have NOS Jaeger gauges in my inventory and guess what, they are in a Smith's boxes! Hope this helps, Curt Classic Sunbeam inc. In a message dated 3/26/2008 2:17:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, twotigers at verizon.net writes: I think a little clarification is in order...First off, I have a huge amount of respect for Norm and what he means to the Tiger community. He's been a help to me on more than one occasion, and I consider him a friend. The conversation I had with Norm several years ago was not about ammeters. I had querried him about not finding any info in the BON on Jaeger instruments. There was mention of Smiths and Lucas (yes, for the ammeter). I know there is a Smiths/Jaeger connection, but I couldn't find references to the Jaeger instrument faces in the BON, and that's what I was asking Norm about. On to the present day- I should have read Peter's email a little more carefully. Yes, Lucas supplied the optional 30/30 ammeter from the factory. The Lucas 35/35 would have been for an alternator equipped car. CAT has been selling the Jaeger 30/30 since sometime in the '70's. If you have Jaeger faced instruments and want a matching 30/30 ammeter, then Jaeger would be fine, just not factory supplied. Hope that clears that up! Hey, let's not forget, I won the 'Tiger Quiz' at TU XXVIII in Santa Maria:) That counts for something, right? Kirk. You are subscribed as cmeinel464 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Mar 26 06:33:35 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 06:33:35 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] still laughing Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EE67@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> At those rates, the SV Alpine parts I have in boxes, and the chassis and body parts, would total up to more than what I've put into the Tiger. And yes, if anyone wants them, I have FOUR of those ultra-rare Alpine wheels. No offer refused so long as I don't end up out of pocket on shipping. Theo From BEAU2EVE at aol.com Wed Mar 26 07:39:50 2008 From: BEAU2EVE at aol.com (BEAU2EVE at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:39:50 EDT Subject: [Tigers] brakes &booster Message-ID: I have an after market booster that I put in a few years ago and it works find , but a little less pedal pressure when stopping would be nice .I'm still using the original master with this booster, would that Subaru unit solve that problem? A little bit? It seems the fronts are doing all the work. Beau 9470951 **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From TIGEROOTES at aol.com Wed Mar 26 10:07:43 2008 From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:07:43 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 113 Message-ID: tigers-request at autox.team.net writes: > I may be wrong but I don't think that is a Tiger; take a look at the > tunnel, > the shift tower, and vent for the battery. More photos would help but I am > suspect. > > Bob > B382001318 > I am wondering why the photo with the trunk closed, is a square-corner lid, yet the Serial number is older than my car. Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle B9470908 <--round corner trunk ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From awtiger at cox.net Wed Mar 26 11:34:48 2008 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:34:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] SUNI Message-ID: <20080326143448.HG3OH.18195.imail@eastrmwml10> Has there been a date set and/or a location chosen for the next SUNI event? We Tiger owners from Oklahoma are, shall we say, "out of the loop" when it comes to info like this. Seriously, has there been one planned and, if so, when and where? Thanks, Andy Walker B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX From Cushcom1 at aol.com Wed Mar 26 11:40:07 2008 From: Cushcom1 at aol.com (Cushcom1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:40:07 EDT Subject: [Tigers] UPCOMING EVENTS Message-ID: WHO CAN TELL ME ABOUT DATES AND LOCATIONS FOR UPCOMING TIGERS UNITED AND SUNI EVENTS. I'VE DECIDED TO DRAG MY ORIGINAL '65 30K ORIGINAL MILES MK1A OUT OF STORAGE, FIRE IT UP AND HIT THE ROAD. THANKS FOR THE INFO. JEFF THE TIGERMAN **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From parlanti at comcast.net Wed Mar 26 12:05:50 2008 From: parlanti at comcast.net (Joe Parlanti) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:05:50 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] UPCOMING EVENTS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c88f74$68def680$3a9ce380$@net> Jeff, I can speak for the Tigers East / Alpines East group. The TEAE United will be October 9-13 at the Bolger Center (http://bolgercenter.dolce.com/) in Potomac, Md. We're in the process of finalizing the registration details and will start accepting reservations in the next several weeks. You can contact me directly for more details if interested (that goes for anyone else on the list), or keep a look out on the TEAE site (http://teae.org/) for a link to the flyer. Thanks, Joe Parlanti B382000026 301-461-0626 Parlanti at comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+parlanti=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+parlanti=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cushcom1 at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 2:40 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] UPCOMING EVENTS WHO CAN TELL ME ABOUT DATES AND LOCATIONS FOR UPCOMING TIGERS UNITED AND SUNI EVENTS. I'VE DECIDED TO DRAG MY ORIGINAL '65 30K ORIGINAL MILES MK1A OUT OF STORAGE, FIRE IT UP AND HIT THE ROAD. THANKS FOR THE INFO. JEFF THE TIGERMAN From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Wed Mar 26 12:29:29 2008 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:29:29 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] UPCOMING EVENTS References: Message-ID: <002501c88f77$b6634b60$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Hi Jeff, The person to talk to about next year's SUNI is Max Pahmeir up in Seattle. This year, Tigers United is being held at the end of June in Big Bear, CA. (details at http://www.catmbr.org/Events1.htm ) Registrations are being accepted now. Reservations at the reduced ($109/night) event rate may still be available. (Over 60 rooms per night have already been reserved by TU attendees.) This year, perhaps due to the weakness of the US dollar, TU is becoming more SUNI-like. We've got folks coming from all over the world. At least a half dozen from South Africa plus many more from Europe. And Cleo Shelby called & says she wants to visit and bring her Tiger as well. The theme is "Sunbeam Racing" & many famous racing Sunbeams will be on display. Buck Trippel CAT ----- Original Message ----- Subject: [Tigers] UPCOMING EVENTS > WHO CAN TELL ME ABOUT DATES AND LOCATIONS FOR UPCOMING TIGERS UNITED AND > SUNI EVENTS. I'VE DECIDED TO DRAG MY ORIGINAL '65 30K ORIGINAL MILES MK1A > OUT OF > STORAGE, FIRE IT UP AND HIT THE ROAD. > > THANKS FOR THE INFO. > JEFF THE TIGERMAN From cbowland at msn.com Wed Mar 26 12:53:56 2008 From: cbowland at msn.com (Curt Bowland) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:53:56 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Dual circuit master Message-ID: I checked out the master I have been using for the past eight+ years. End flap on box has 39254, probably an old NAPA number. Also notes state 74-77 Mazda pick up truck with disc brakes. I believe the bore is 7/8". Works great with drum OR disc rear brakes. Also fits with minor mods. and does not hit inner fender brace. Credit for this goes to Larry Marzano friend and longtime Tiger owner. From cbowland at msn.com Wed Mar 26 16:49:28 2008 From: cbowland at msn.com (Curt Bowland) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:49:28 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Master cyl Message-ID: Can confirm earlier post. Brake master number 39254 is NAPA. Go to NAPA site to view on line, from 5-6 angles! Curt Bowland Chicago From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Mar 26 17:33:23 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Master cyl Message-ID: <454962.21793.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> While on the master cylinder track, anyone doing anything magical with tilton/wilwood/cnc style masters. This would be more for the non-purist. I like the tandem masters from CNC, just not sure yet how to fit them up with a bracket for the tiger. Here is a link on what I was looking at, again, not sure how all the stuff will fit and how the pedal will need to be modified. http://www.cncbrakes.com/mc.asp?grp=mc&subgrp=dcsb&series=717 http://www.cncbrakes.com/mc.asp?grp=mc&subgrp=dcsb&series=718 Looks like a balance bar is already worked into the package the way they set it up, or easily done. Sandy From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Mar 26 17:37:29 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:37:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Master cyl Message-ID: <983691.48853.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Found one more that looks suspitiously like the one I have on my 65' Mustang. It is a really nice package, but I'm not sure if it will fit due to the size... http://www.cncbrakes.com/sra.asp?grp=sra&subgrp=d&series=240 ----- Original Message ---- From: Sandy Ganz To: Curt Bowland ; Tiger Digest Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 5:33:23 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Master cyl While on the master cylinder track, anyone doing anything magical with tilton/wilwood/cnc style masters. This would be more for the non-purist. I like the tandem masters from CNC, just not sure yet how to fit them up with a bracket for the tiger. Here is a link on what I was looking at, again, not sure how all the stuff will fit and how the pedal will need to be modified. http://www.cncbrakes.com/mc.asp?grp=mc&subgrp=dcsb&series=717 http://www.cncbrakes.com/mc.asp?grp=mc&subgrp=dcsb&series=718 Looks like a balance bar is already worked into the package the way they set it up, or easily done. Sandy You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Wed Mar 26 18:22:40 2008 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:22:40 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Master cyl References: <454962.21793.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601c88fa9$0d4f87a0$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Sandy, That CNC Master Cylinder looks quite promising. It should be fine on a street Tiger (if it fits).The balance bar is cool. However if you decide to go racing, you may find that you'll need different size bores to get the front & rear forces close enough to use the balance bar. For racing applications we've ended up with a 5/8" front cylinder & a 7/8" rear. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Ganz" To: "Curt Bowland" ; "Tiger Digest" Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Master cyl > While on the master cylinder track, anyone doing anything magical with > tilton/wilwood/cnc style masters. This would be more for the non-purist. I > like the tandem masters from CNC, just not sure yet how to fit them up > with a bracket for the tiger. Here is a link on what I was looking at, > again, not sure how all the stuff will fit and how the pedal will need to > be modified. > > http://www.cncbrakes.com/mc.asp?grp=mc&subgrp=dcsb&series=717 > > http://www.cncbrakes.com/mc.asp?grp=mc&subgrp=dcsb&series=718 > > Looks like a balance bar is already worked into the package the way they > set it up, or easily done. > > Sandy From tsmit at shaw.ca Wed Mar 26 20:10:38 2008 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:10:38 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Master cyl In-Reply-To: <001601c88fa9$0d4f87a0$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> References: <454962.21793.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001601c88fa9$0d4f87a0$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <47EB102E.9060505@shaw.ca> This looks like it might save me a lot of machine work... It may be possible to mix up the bore sizes if they use sleeve inserts with different ID, which would allow you to use different cylinder sizes front and rear. Time for some emails to the vendor. Theo Buck Trippel wrote: > Sandy, > > > For racing applications we've ended up with a 5/8" front cylinder & a 7/8" > rear. > > Buck Trippel > > >> http://www.cncbrakes.com/mc.asp?grp=mc&subgrp=dcsb&series=717 >> >> http://www.cncbrakes.com/mc.asp?grp=mc&subgrp=dcsb&series=718 >> >> Looks like a balance bar is already worked into the package the way they >> set it up, or easily done. >> >> Sandy From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Mar 26 20:10:58 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Master cyl Message-ID: <19791.7530.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No email support from CNC, but I'll give them a call tomorrow. A bracket would be easy to make after thinking about it. And it does look sleeved, so might be no problem. I have spoke with them before and they were pretty friendly so will hopefully get a chance tomorrow to find out. The easiest would be the one with the bracked but I'll guess it is too long to fit. I'll find out shortly as I have it on my mustang and will get the tape out in a few. It is also a lot wider... Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Theo Smit To: Buck Trippel Cc: Sandy Ganz ; Curt Bowland ; Tiger Digest Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 8:10:38 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Master cyl This looks like it might save me a lot of machine work... It may be possible to mix up the bore sizes if they use sleeve inserts with different ID, which would allow you to use different cylinder sizes front and rear. Time for some emails to the vendor. Theo Buck Trippel wrote: > Sandy, > > > For racing applications we've ended up with a 5/8" front cylinder & a 7/8" > rear. > > Buck Trippel > > >> http://www.cncbrakes.com/mc.asp?grp=mc&subgrp=dcsb&series=717 >> >> http://www.cncbrakes.com/mc.asp?grp=mc&subgrp=dcsb&series=718 >> >> Looks like a balance bar is already worked into the package the way they >> set it up, or easily done. >> >> Sandy From Drmoonstone at aol.com Wed Mar 26 22:05:50 2008 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:05:50 EDT Subject: [Tigers] uh-oh ammeter Message-ID: No. LOL Moonstone ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From twotigers at verizon.net Wed Mar 26 22:51:22 2008 From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:51:22 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] uh-oh ammeter Message-ID: <001301c88fce$96f2d230$2f01a8c0@smith> Moonstone- That was an inside joke to Norm. Even though he knows 100 times more about Tigers than I could ever hope to glean, he's never won the Tiger quiz at a United. Just trying to keep it light hearted;) -Kirk. From rjw at wengco.com Thu Mar 27 04:15:52 2008 From: rjw at wengco.com (Robert J. Wanty) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:15:52 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] uh-oh Message-ID: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C57DD38A@weco1.wengco.com> I checked my dash and have a Lucas 30/30 Bob B382001318 -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Smith [mailto:twotigers at verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 5:06 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] uh-oh Hi Norm! So...I wonder if anybody else has a dash full of Jaeger instruments other than me? CAT sells the Jaeger 30/30 ammeter, as well as the Jaeger 50/50 ammeter (for alternator cars). It's a good thing the United is almost here. I'll be the one checking out everybody's dash board! See you there:) Kirk. You are subscribed as rjw at wengco.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.0/1342 - Release Date: 3/25/2008 10:26 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1345 - Release Date: 3/26/2008 6:50 PM From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Mar 27 04:56:51 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:56:51 EDT Subject: [Tigers] shifter removal Message-ID: Can someone tell me how much of the shifter mechanism has to be removed to drop the engine? Thanks, Mark **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Mar 27 08:20:19 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:20:19 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tuning Parameters for 302 / 5.0 L Ford Message-ID: <47EBBB33.6060405@mayfco.com> Folks, I am trying to compare my tuning with what others have used successfully. Just a par tof my yearly routine to get the World's Fastest Sunbeam (wannabe) ready for the summer festivities on the salt flats. I am going to give the partiulars for my motor. Please send me information only for Ford 302 / 5.0L as that data for chevies, dodges, or any other make does not help me at all! Just hit the delete button and press on, please. My motor: 306.11 CID AFR 205cc heads (2.08 / 1.60 valves) 64 cc chamber 8.5:1 forged pistons Turbocharged (but send any data for any kind of boosted motor, not NOS though) I am primarily interested in the spark and fuel maps you are using for this kind of combo. Include the boost level you are using, please. Ditto for mechanical advance bwing used. I will answer any and all responses and can even send my spark and fuel maps for you viewing pleasure... hurry... want to hit the dyno in april mayf From jteepen at usatoday.com Thu Mar 27 09:29:40 2008 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:29:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] shifter removal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I only remove the shifter handle an all goes well. The rest of the shifter mechanism is left in situ. Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 4:57 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] shifter removal Can someone tell me how much of the shifter mechanism has to be removed to drop the engine? Thanks, Mark From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 27 11:37:53 2008 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:37:53 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] !964 Le Mans Tiger Slot Car Message-ID: <005c01c89039$ab75aa50$6401a8c0@your03667082de> For all you Le Mans Tiger race car, look at Ebay # 180226742743. It's a Le Mans Tiger slot car kit that looks pretty good from the photos. Here is the description: 1:32 scale slot kit. 1964 Le Mans Sunbeam Tiger from Ocar Scale Replicas. Kit contains: Detailed resin body, windows, interior, front lights, driver, quality decal sheet, PCS plastic adjustable chassis and all running gear. You have to paint and build it yourself. I know Ocar made a 1965 Monte Carlo Tiger kit and here is a link that lists all the Ocar kits: http://www.worldclassics.co.uk/id4.html Jeff From sganz at pacbell.net Thu Mar 27 13:21:00 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Master cyl Message-ID: <698099.92437.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> More info on the CNC Dual Master. It is available in staggered sized bores but it seems that it is not a balance bar just pushes both at the same time. The other version (718) that has 2 rod ends alone might work but CNC said that not enough room between the 2 shafts to get a balance bar in. That being said, it is hard to tell how far apart they are but it looks like you might not get a lot of angular movement due to the separation of the 2 shafts. The CNC person was helpful, but not in a positive way, wasn't real receptive to any out of band ideas which really did bug me since it still looks like something that can work with a little work ;) I'm going to see if I can get my hands on one or get some measurements from someone (CNC did seem really excited when I asked if they had and drawaings with dimensions). Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Buck Trippel To: Sandy Ganz ; Curt Bowland ; Tiger Digest Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 6:22:40 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Master cyl Sandy, That CNC Master Cylinder looks quite promising. It should be fine on a street Tiger (if it fits).The balance bar is cool. However if you decide to go racing, you may find that you'll need different size bores to get the front & rear forces close enough to use the balance bar. For racing applications we've ended up with a 5/8" front cylinder & a 7/8" rear. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Ganz" To: "Curt Bowland" ; "Tiger Digest" Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Master cyl > While on the master cylinder track, anyone doing anything magical with > tilton/wilwood/cnc style masters. This would be more for the non-purist. I > like the tandem masters from CNC, just not sure yet how to fit them up > with a bracket for the tiger. Here is a link on what I was looking at, > again, not sure how all the stuff will fit and how the pedal will need to > be modified. > > http://www.cncbrakes.com/mc.asp?grp=mc&subgrp=dcsb&series=717 > > http://www.cncbrakes.com/mc.asp?grp=mc&subgrp=dcsb&series=718 > > Looks like a balance bar is already worked into the package the way they > set it up, or easily done. > > Sandy From twotigers at verizon.net Thu Mar 27 13:40:12 2008 From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:40:12 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] uh-oh ammeter Message-ID: <002701c8904a$c2058360$2f01a8c0@smith> Moonstone replied: Me too. See the LOL? You asked a question that I knew was humor based...gave you a humor based response. Sorry if you took it differently, wasn't meant to be taken seriously. And, any time you can harass Norm it's a good thing LOL. Best Wishes Moonstone Hey- I was just 'splainin'- I got your humor! I don't know if Norm is smiling, though;) Kirk. From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Thu Mar 27 14:48:04 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:48:04 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Redux: Top Gear Message-ID: <47EC1614.1070607@SoCal.rr.com> For those that missed the excellent episodes of /Top Gear /on BBC A (cable), there is yet another multi-hour run on Sunday, 6pm Eastern (3pm Pacific). The last episodes included amusing things such as the race across Africa, The race across London with bicycle, car, public transport, and fast boat on the Thames. The end showed public transport was best, and the car was last. Since this IS a car show, they restated the results so the car won. These guys are *FUNNY*! Simon Cowell (of the gawd awful teen singers) actually did quite well in their long running celebrity solo course competition. Would you believe he was first, on a very long list? Good luck, and all that! Steve /-- / ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com From jeff.eakin at comcast.net Thu Mar 27 16:44:46 2008 From: jeff.eakin at comcast.net (Jeff Eakin) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:44:46 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] NEEDED: Hardtop Rear Window Trim Message-ID: I'm getting ready to restore a Tiger hardtop but only have the RIGHT (passenger) side rear window stainless steel trim strip. Does anybody have the drivers side they'd part with or even a pair? I think the center clips are available from Rick Mc. at SS. ~~ Jeff Eakin ~~ 1142 S. Clayton Street Denver, CO 80210 (303) 733-1211 (H) (303) 903-2386 (Cell) jeff.eakin at comcast.net From fastsage at cox.net Thu Mar 27 22:36:47 2008 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:36:47 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Springy Things Wanted Message-ID: <47EC83EF.6060600@cox.net> I may have asked this already but does anyone have an extra, new pair of 350 lb. Tiger front coil springs you'd like to sell? The usual suppliers are out of them. Victoria British has stock (250 lb.) springs in stock but I think the extra strength of the 350 springs would be good up front. Steve Sage 1966 MK 1A E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09500 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From maliburevue at yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 05:27:23 2008 From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary Crandall) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 05:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Wanted: Damaged Rear Axle Message-ID: <285015.22162.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I am looking for a bent or broken 19 spline Tiger rear axle. It can have stripped hub threads, but it does, however, have to have good splines. If you have one that is no longer usable and you just can't stand to throw it out, please contact me off list. I'll pay to have it shipped. Thanks. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. From un-cole-a at juno.com Fri Mar 28 07:52:09 2008 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:52:09 GMT Subject: [Tigers] !964 Le Mans Tiger Slot Car Message-ID: <20080328.105209.20154.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Funny you should bring up EBay Last night I was bidding on a Tiger item and this auction got way out of hand. I'm not mad that I lost the bid, I'm more mad at the fact I lost to somebody who had never bought anything on EBay and ran the bid way to high. We are worried about Tiger/Alpine parts becoming so expensive and I can see how it's happening. We as a Tiger/Alpine community need to get together and do more parts swapping/selling amongst those who have and need these parts. We are bidding against each other on these auction sites and driving up the prices of parts. I understand that some of the parts are from people who are not associated with Tigers/Alpines but I feel we could do more in the parts swapping/selling department to help each other out. Just my thoughts. Would love to hear feed back on this issue. Tim B9470149 _____________________________________________________________ A Trip To New York City Sweepstakes Enter for your chance to WIN a trip to New York City with Total Beauty http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/JKFkuJi7JOH8wmVC17SFhkjcoeKnsSUvT yF9Nl4ySlFZ8No6SbDGmz/ From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 28 09:05:35 2008 From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] Fw: [British-cars] Classic names are part of Tata deal Message-ID: <25900943.1206720336202.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Classic names are part of Tata deal Tony Lewin Automotive News | March 27, 2008 - 6:46 am EST Tata Motors will get the right use three classic British auto-brand names as part of its $2.3 billion deal to buy Jaguar and Land Rover. Included in the deal are the Rover name and the Jaguar-owned names of Daimler and Lanchester. Ford bought the rights to the Rover brand name from BMW in September 2006 for >an undisclosed sum to ensure no other automaker could use it and cause >confusion with the Land Rover brand. > >"We acquired the Rover trademark in the interests of protecting Land Rover," >said Ford of Europe spokesman John Gardiner. "So it's also in the interests of >the new owner of Land Rover to have it." > >BMW obtained ownership of the Rover name when it bought the Rover group in >1994. In 2006, BMW refused a request from China's SAIC to use the Rover brand >name under license. SAIC had bought some assets of the ailing MG Rover group >and now builds cars called Roewes in China. > >Jaguar acquired the rights to sell cars badged as Daimlers in 1960 from the UK >Daimler car company that was founded in 1896 and licensed by Gottlieb Daimler >to use his internal combustion engine. The UK Daimler car company also owned >the Lanchester brand name. > >You may e-mail Tony Lewin at autonews at crain.com > >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Daimler finally ditches Chrysler following name change > >New brand name is confirmed as Daimler AG > >DaimlerChrysler has expunged the memory of its ill-fated merger with the >American carmaker Chrysler after finally agreeing on a name change. > >Following months of debate, shareholders yesterday approved changing the >manufacturer's name to Daimler AG. > >Despite chief executive Dieter Zetsche's insistence that the company take the >name, shareholders, who had wanted to include Benz in the company's masthead, >were satisfied by a compromise. > >Benz name > >Co-founder of the German company Karl Benz will be honoured by changing the >name of the company's premium division Mercedes Car Group to Mercedes-Benz >Cars and renaming the van unit Mercedes-Benz Vans. > >DaimlerChrysler Bank will also be renamed Mercedes-Benz Bank. > >The changes will see the remaking of corporate material, including letterheads >and websites, and will cost between b,50 - 60m (B#34.6 - 41.5m). > >The decision to use Daimler complies with an agreement struck between the >German manufacturer and Ford in August, which gave DaimlerChrysler permission >to use the Daimler name. > >The Daimler name is currently owned by Jaguar. >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >British-cars at autox.team.net > >You are subscribed as rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/british-cars From Sjhcobra1 at cs.com Fri Mar 28 09:27:19 2008 From: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Sjhcobra1 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:27:19 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] !964 Le Mans Tiger Slot Car Message-ID: <2A14825B.4AFB1FE0.028BE4CD@cs.com> Tim: Tigers East/Alpines East has it's terrific monthly Rootes Review newsletter which offers this feature free to its members, plus the organization also has an electronic forum that includes parts wanted/for sale. Steve Halbrook From laurin212 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 09:32:18 2008 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:32:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] !964 Le Mans Tiger Slot Car In-Reply-To: <20080328.105209.20154.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <879071.92654.qm@web53608.mail.re2.yahoo.com> tim - it would be great if there was more swapping/selling of parts amongst members, participating in group orders to lower prices, etc, rather than all of us hard-core tiger fanatics getting gouged on prices from third party sellers/vendors who could care less about tigers but try to make out like a bandit on the increasing popularity and rarity of tigers and tiger parts. too bad we dont have a bulletin board online to post parts for sale and parts wanted...it takes too long to wait until the ads show up in the various tiger club month newsletters. i guess we can always email the group. peter ... > I understand that some of the parts are from people who are not associated > with Tigers/Alpines but I feel we could do more in the parts swapping/selling > department to help each other out. > Just my thoughts. > Would love to hear feed back on this issue. > > Tim > B9470149 > Peter Laurinaitis peter.laurinaitis.wg02 at wharton.upenn.edu From laurin212 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 09:34:15 2008 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] !964 Le Mans Tiger Slot Car In-Reply-To: <2A14825B.4AFB1FE0.028BE4CD@cs.com> Message-ID: <520043.1888.qm@web53605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> steve - thanks for the reminder, i forgot all about this --- Sjhcobra1 at cs.com wrote: > Tim: > > Tigers East/Alpines East has it's terrific monthly Rootes Review newsletter > which offers this feature free to its members, plus the organization also has > an electronic forum that includes parts wanted/for sale. > > Steve Halbrook > Peter Laurinaitis peter.laurinaitis.wg02 at wharton.upenn.edu From jkwouts at yahoo.ca Fri Mar 28 09:46:47 2008 From: jkwouts at yahoo.ca (Kevin Wouters) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: <278800.88085.qm@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I would second this as I am making the same calls as we speak. Give Steve the first set but if anyone has a lead on an additional set one let me know! Wouts Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:36:47 -0700 From: Steve Sage Subject: [Tigers] Springy Things Wanted To: TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET Message-ID: <47EC83EF.6060600 at cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I may have asked this already but does anyone have an extra, new pair of 350 lb. Tiger front coil springs you'd like to sell? The usual suppliers are out of them. Victoria British has stock (250 lb.) springs in stock but I think the extra strength of the 350 springs would be good up front. Steve Sage 1966 MK 1A From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Fri Mar 28 10:01:00 2008 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:01:00 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] !964 Le Mans Tiger Slot Car References: <20080328.105209.20154.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <001701c890f5$4cc69890$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Out here in Southern California we're pretty lucky. We have our Spring & Fall CAT swap meets for Tiger & Alpine parts. In the past we've had sellers from as far away as Texas bring in a pick-up truck full of Tiger parts. At our last swap meet an Alpine parts car (roller) sold for around $200 & that included delivery. I'd guess we had 15 "vendors" at that one. My wife "cut me off" when my purchases neared 4 figures. (But I got two really nice sets of wheels, a dual point distributor plus...) Our next swap meet comes up next month. Buck Trippel CAT ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] !964 Le Mans Tiger Slot Car > Funny you should bring up EBay > Last night I was bidding on a Tiger item and this auction got way out of > hand. > I'm not mad that I lost the bid, I'm more mad at the fact I lost to > somebody > who had never bought anything on EBay and ran the bid way to high. We are > worried about Tiger/Alpine parts becoming so expensive and I can see how > it's > happening. We as a Tiger/Alpine community need to get together and do more > parts swapping/selling amongst those who have and need these parts. > We are bidding against each other on these auction sites and driving up > the > prices of parts. > I understand that some of the parts are from people who are not associated > with Tigers/Alpines but I feel we could do more in the parts > swapping/selling > department to help each other out. > Just my thoughts. > Would love to hear feed back on this issue. > > Tim > B9470149 From jteepen at usatoday.com Fri Mar 28 10:04:34 2008 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:04:34 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] !964 Le Mans Tiger Slot Car In-Reply-To: <20080328.105209.20154.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: There are several sources that meet the criteria outlined below and most people on the list probably already belong to one or more of them. These are the clubs dedicated to Alpines and Tigers. The California Association of Tiger Owners, Sunbeam Tiger Owners Association, Tigers East/Alpines East, Pacific Tiger Club, Colorado Association of Tiger Owners, Sunbeam Alpine Owners Club of America, plus others I cannot recall immediately, all offer parts for sale via their members through websites and newsletters. They also offer advice, events, parts, etc. The clubs are the way things were found and acccomplished prior to the internet and still do now. So join up! I currently proudly belong to CAT, STOA, and TE/AE. Yes, I am waving the club flags vigorously! Jere Teepen -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of un-cole-a at juno.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 7:52 AM To: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] !964 Le Mans Tiger Slot Car Funny you should bring up EBay Last night I was bidding on a Tiger item and this auction got way out of hand. I'm not mad that I lost the bid, I'm more mad at the fact I lost to somebody who had never bought anything on EBay and ran the bid way to high. We are worried about Tiger/Alpine parts becoming so expensive and I can see how it's happening. We as a Tiger/Alpine community need to get together and do more parts swapping/selling amongst those who have and need these parts. We are bidding against each other on these auction sites and driving up the prices of parts. I understand that some of the parts are from people who are not associated with Tigers/Alpines but I feel we could do more in the parts swapping/selling department to help each other out. Just my thoughts. Would love to hear feed back on this issue. Tim B9470149 From awtiger at cox.net Fri Mar 28 12:18:04 2008 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:18:04 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Stock Tiger wheel ID Message-ID: <20080328151804.X8D08.41005.imail@eastrmwml10> Hi, guys: This may have been discussed ad nauseum before and I apologize ahead of time if this is the case. But, can someone please clue me in as to how to identify what steel wheel is correct for a Tiger Mk1A? I have a set of steel wheels that came with my car years ago but I want to make sure that they are the correct ones before I spend the time restoring them. What ID elements do I need to be looking for? Thanks in advance, Andy Walker B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX From sixtysixtiger at hotmail.com Fri Mar 28 12:34:02 2008 From: sixtysixtiger at hotmail.com (Arden Bedell) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:34:02 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] !964 Le Mans Tiger Slot Car References: <520043.1888.qm@web53605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It sure would be cool if there were some independent (tigersunited.com) website that's not associated with a single club (tigersunited.com) that could host a for-sale/wanted forum (tigersunited.com), and if everyone including ALL the clubs' members would use it to list stuff. I understand that some of the clubs have a heavy investment in reproduction parts, and it makes sense for them to hold those items close but for the individuals like me who can't afford to belong to every club it would be great if we could get away from ePay (tigersunited.com). Just a thought. From jimdamelio at cox.net Fri Mar 28 14:20:09 2008 From: jimdamelio at cox.net (Jim D'Amelio) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:20:09 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] !964 Le Mans Tiger Slot Car In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Any one can list parts or cars for sale on the TEAE Forum. You don't have to be a member to list items on the Forum. You must register on the Forum to post because of the problem we had with spammers. Jim D -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jimdamelio=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jimdamelio=cox.net at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Arden Bedell Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 3:34 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] !964 Le Mans Tiger Slot Car It sure would be cool if there were some independent (tigersunited.com) website that's not associated with a single club (tigersunited.com) that could host a for-sale/wanted forum (tigersunited.com), and if everyone including ALL the clubs' members would use it to list stuff. I understand that some of the clubs have a heavy investment in reproduction parts, and it makes sense for them to hold those items close but for the individuals like me who can't afford to belong to every club it would be great if we could get away from ePay (tigersunited.com). Just a thought. From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Mar 28 12:45:41 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:45:41 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] !964 Le Mans Tiger Slot Car Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EE80@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> For some reason I can't help but feeling that maybe you'd want TigersUnited.com to host such a service? Weird... Anyway... between the way that TU.com is currently being hosted (on the good graces of John Orzechowski) and the amount of time and effort that the admins have available to spend on it (not much) it's not really practical to add a for-sale forum to TU.com. I've previously administered a reasonably high-traffic PHPbb forum and it quickly turns into a thing where you spend an hour or more every single day to keep on top of things. Tigers East/Alpines East has a for-sale forum on their website: If you get a lot of benefit from this forum alone (as well as the various discussion threads) then you might decide it's worth being a member of TEAE as well as your current club. Theo From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Mar 28 08:31:10 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:31:10 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] !964 Le Mans Tiger Slot Car Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EE7C@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Tim, On a few auctions I've ended up in a similar situation. Accordingly, my preferred method of bidding on eBay is what is derided by some as 'sniping'. The process requires a good Internet connection. You figure out the maximum you REALLY want to pay for something, and the amount you'd NEVER pay for such an item. Then you go to the auction you're interested in, a few minutes before it closes, and refresh the page a few times to see what kind of connection delay you have, as well as the time offset between your PC's clock and the eBay clock. Pop up a second browser and prepare your bid, using the maximum amount you're interested in paying for the item. Go all the way to the last step but don't submit your bid. Now wait until the auction is less than about 10 seconds before ending, and THEN submit your bid. In this way, anyone counterbidding will not have time to top your bid. Either your maximum value is greater than theirs (and everyone else's) or it's not. If you see the auction going over your 'never' limit, then walk away... or reconsider your options. Either way you don't play your hand until the last second. You can sometimes see others planning this strategy, if the auction page has a 'hit counter'. If you reload the page, then reload it a minute later, and see the counter has incremented by more than one, you know someone else has loaded that page as well in the last minute. In my opinion, this is a good way to avoid getting sucked into paying way more than you want if you're up against a newbie. If you're up against experienced eBay buyers (that may also be setting up to 'snipe' the auction) then it's a matter of who is willing to pay more for the item. And that's what an auction is supposed to be all about. Having said all that, I've bought and sold way more Tiger stuff through people on the mailing list than with eBay, and never regretted one transaction. It's better to keep it in the family as much as possible. Theo From jpkkmk at aol.com Fri Mar 28 15:42:40 2008 From: jpkkmk at aol.com (Patrick) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:42:40 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Stock Tiger wheel ID In-Reply-To: <20080328151804.X8D08.41005.imail@eastrmwml10> Message-ID: The original steel wheels have a date code stamped into the wheel on the outside face. 65 or 66 or 67 indicates the year of the wheel. Some times paint will obscure the date code. Patrick -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jpkkmk=aol.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jpkkmk=aol.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of awtiger at cox.net Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:18 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Stock Tiger wheel ID Hi, guys: This may have been discussed ad nauseum before and I apologize ahead of time if this is the case. But, can someone please clue me in as to how to identify what steel wheel is correct for a Tiger Mk1A? I have a set of steel wheels that came with my car years ago but I want to make sure that they are the correct ones before I spend the time restoring them. What ID elements do I need to be looking for? Thanks in advance, Andy Walker B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX You are subscribed as jpkkmk at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From j&e at ontis.com Fri Mar 28 16:17:58 2008 From: j&e at ontis.com (Steve K) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:17:58 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] power coating Message-ID: <005201c8912a$098a9470$4196cecd@youra362a72fb1> Hi All How smooth is powder coating supposed to turn out ? I just got my 1936 IHC wheels back ( wire spokes) and they are not nice . The rust pits show up bad . I know you can't do any filler under powder , but shouldn't they be able to make it reasonably smooth ???? Thanks in advance. Steve K 1967 F100 short box step side 1966 Mk1a 1936 IHC 1970 F100 long box Sport Custom 1970 Rupp Roadster 1968 M274A5 military mule 1970 Honda Z50 From choffman9 at cinci.rr.com Fri Mar 28 16:22:44 2008 From: choffman9 at cinci.rr.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:22:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] power coating References: <005201c8912a$098a9470$4196cecd@youra362a72fb1> Message-ID: <00ab01c8912a$a082f4d0$0101a8c0@HomeComputer> Powder coating is nothing more than the name- a coating. The smoothness would have to come from good prep just like for regular paint. The thin coating will go over the top of any bumps and blistering and likely highlight them just like a coat of new paint. May have to start all over and have the wheels blasted, dipped or something. Curt Hoffman > Hi All > How smooth is powder coating supposed to turn out ? I just got my 1936 > IHC wheels back ( wire spokes) and they are not nice . The rust pits show > up > bad . I know you can't do any filler under powder , but shouldn't they be > able to make it reasonably smooth ???? Thanks in advance. From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Fri Mar 28 16:24:23 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:24:23 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] !964 Le Mans Tiger Slot Car In-Reply-To: References: <520043.1888.qm@web53605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47ED7E27.8050605@SoCal.rr.com> Arden, As you seem to be pointing out, TigersUnited.com is an independent source that draws on all clubs and individuals to share information. At one time we actually had a self help message board. Due to complications of site maintenance, it became to unwieldy to manage. We could add one again, IF our volunteer editors wanted to create and maintain it. (hint, hint) ;-) Best Wishes, Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Arden Bedell wrote: > It sure would be cool if there were some independent (tigersunited.com) > website that's not associated with a single club (tigersunited.com) that > could host a for-sale/wanted forum (tigersunited.com), and if everyone > including ALL the clubs' members would use it to list stuff. I understand > that some of the clubs have a heavy investment in reproduction parts, and it > makes sense for them to hold those items close but for the individuals like > me who can't afford to belong to every club it would be great if we could > get away from ePay (tigersunited.com). Just a thought. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 28 17:11:46 2008 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] !964 Le Mans Tiger Slot Car In-Reply-To: <005c01c89039$ab75aa50$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: <634555.42885.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Although it "morphed" into some interesting discourse about buying/selling Tiger parts, the original posting from Jeffrey with the above subject line was about a Le Mans Tiger slot cart kit on e-Bay (item #180226742743). It always boggles my mind how much more people will sometimes pay on e-Bay than they would if they would just "go to the source" or otherwise search the net for the same item. In this case, the auction is now at $23.95 gbd plus $2 gbd for shipping (from England). At the current exchange rate, that's $25.95 gbd or $51.88 in US dollars. Of course, the auction isn't over yet. If you go directly to the World Classics link Jeffery provided, you'll find that you can order and purchase the Le Mans Tiger kit online from the SAME COMPANY RUNNING THE AUCTION ON EBAY for $14.50 gbd plus $2.50 gbd shipping or $33.98 in US dollars via PayPal. Go figure... Bill Jeffrey Nichols wrote: For all you Le Mans Tiger race car, look at Ebay # 180226742743. It's a Le Mans Tiger slot car kit that looks pretty good from the photos. Here is the description: 1:32 scale slot kit. 1964 Le Mans Sunbeam Tiger from Ocar Scale Replicas. Kit contains: Detailed resin body, windows, interior, front lights, driver, quality decal sheet, PCS plastic adjustable chassis and all running gear. You have to paint and build it yourself. I know Ocar made a 1965 Monte Carlo Tiger kit and here is a link that lists all the Ocar kits: http://www.worldclassics.co.uk/id4.html Jeff You are subscribed as fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Fri Mar 28 17:23:37 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:23:37 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Racing Driver Wannabees Message-ID: <47ED8C09.2080009@SoCal.rr.com> Just got this great brochure in the mail from *SafeRacer*. It has all the stuff you dream about, if your not actually a competitive racer. Just buy the outfits and accessories you want, and walk around your local malls. No one will doubt. They also have a website. Looking is free, but don't drool on your keyboard. ;-) http://www.saferacer.com/ Lots-a-Luck! Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com From tigerv8 at rogers.com Fri Mar 28 17:58:14 2008 From: tigerv8 at rogers.com (Shaun Laughy) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 20:58:14 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <278800.88085.qm@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002001c89137$f7cbb350$6401a8c0@main> As an alternative, I believe that Tom Hall offers 450# and 525# front springs, although these may be more than you need. www.tigerengineering.net Shaun -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+tigerv8=rogers.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+tigerv8=rogers.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Wouters Sent: March 28, 2008 12:47 PM To: TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) I would second this as I am making the same calls as we speak. Give Steve the first set but if anyone has a lead on an additional set one let me know! Wouts Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:36:47 -0700 From: Steve Sage Subject: [Tigers] Springy Things Wanted To: TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET Message-ID: <47EC83EF.6060600 at cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I may have asked this already but does anyone have an extra, new pair of 350 lb. Tiger front coil springs you'd like to sell? The usual suppliers are out of them. Victoria British has stock (250 lb.) springs in stock but I think the extra strength of the 350 springs would be good up front. Steve Sage 1966 MK 1A You are subscribed as tigerv8 at rogers.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From gswaybright at yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 18:20:45 2008 From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:20:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Racing Driver Wannabees In-Reply-To: <47ED8C09.2080009@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <724033.94436.qm@web31706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Steve, Funny you bring this up... I just spent the last week browsing through the SafeRacer catalog (also see www.saferacer.com). After years of participating and instructing at open track and performance driving schools, I finally took the plunge a few weeks ago and bought a Spec Miata race car, followed by a nice little open deck trailer the following week. All that is left before the double-school for my SCCA competition license at Nelson Ledges, is to get all my safety gear (apparel)in hand. If I last more than a couple seasons, I figured I'd paint the car black with red pin stripes and request #55 in tribute to the HSC Racing Tiger. Stephen Waybright --- Steve Laifman wrote: > Just got this great brochure in the mail from *SafeRacer*. It has > all > the stuff you dream about, if your not actually a competitive racer. > > Just buy the outfits and accessories you want, and walk around your > local malls. No one will doubt. > > They also have a website. Looking is free, but don't drool on your > keyboard. ;-) > > http://www.saferacer.com/ > > Lots-a-Luck! > > Steve From drmayf at mayfco.com Fri Mar 28 19:21:35 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:21:35 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Racing Driver Wannabees In-Reply-To: <47ED8C09.2080009@SoCal.rr.com> References: <47ED8C09.2080009@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <47EDA7AF.2090602@mayfco.com> Well, shoot, if you want to drool and look at expensive stuff... try a SFI /20 fire suit made from carbon x (mine is nomex), a pair of funny car boots, gloves and undies. Then added helmet sock, collar. My suit was in the $1800 dollar range from Stroud Safety, all the other junk is likewise expensive. Helmet was $400 plus to meet SA 2005 standards and I'll have to buy a new one in a couple of years. Now add fire bottles, about a $1000 total there, and of course 5 point or better 7pt harness.. Now put it all on and go out to Bonneville in August. Man you cna pretend a lot there, lol... while you are melting... And just this year they added later head restraints to the equation... Those are custom made also using a special new foam... What a hoot... They are talking about making HANS a requirement but so far if you use a fore and aft system it has to be part of an engineered unit. Oh, I can add the helmet restraints like the HANS myselt though and lots of people have done that. But you wann expensive, buy a nascar seat for your racer and then the hans is about a grand also. yup, lots of drooling even from me.. mayf Steve Laifman wrote: >Just got this great brochure in the mail from *SafeRacer*. It has all >the stuff you dream about, if your not actually a competitive racer. >Just buy the outfits and accessories you want, and walk around your >local malls. No one will doubt. > >They also have a website. Looking is free, but don't drool on your >keyboard. ;-) > >http://www.saferacer.com/ > >Lots-a-Luck! > >Steve From Sjhcobra1 at cs.com Fri Mar 28 19:32:53 2008 From: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Sjhcobra1 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:32:53 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Racing Driver Wannabees Message-ID: <07A8A386.167DE12F.028BE4CD@cs.com> For the maybe-psuedo-creature-of-comfort-driving-wannabees the Piloti driving shoes are great. They're comfortable, look cool, are well made and about the same price as a good pair of joggers. Steve Halbrook From sixtysixtiger at hotmail.com Fri Mar 28 19:33:18 2008 From: sixtysixtiger at hotmail.com (Arden Bedell) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:33:18 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] !964 Le Mans Tiger Slot Car In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EE80@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EE80@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: Did I let that slip? Sorry. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Smit, Theo" Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:45 PM To: "Arden Bedell" ; Subject: RE: [Tigers] !964 Le Mans Tiger Slot Car > For some reason I can't help but feeling that maybe you'd want > TigersUnited.com to host such a service? Weird... > > Anyway... between the way that TU.com is currently being hosted (on the > good graces of John Orzechowski) and the amount of time and effort that > the admins have available to spend on it (not much) it's not really > practical to add a for-sale forum to TU.com. I've previously > administered a reasonably high-traffic PHPbb forum and it quickly turns > into a thing where you spend an hour or more every single day to keep on > top of things. > > Tigers East/Alpines East has a for-sale forum on their website: > 9d40c> > > If you get a lot of benefit from this forum alone (as well as the > various discussion threads) then you might decide it's worth being a > member of TEAE as well as your current club. > > Theo From achd73 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 19:47:39 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Stock Tiger wheel ID In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <663218.62518.qm@web30303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Patrick- the date code might say something about it being a Tiger but what about Alpine wheels made the same time? Tiger lug holes are much thicker, in the area around the hole than a stock Alpine wheel.They might have been same wheel used on the heavier delivery and other Rootes autos that needed a stronger wheel but Im guessing they are Tiger only Once you look at a Tiger wheel next to an Alpine you will see the noticeable difference. The date code might be another positive but Im only certain about the lug area. cheers, tttiger ____________________________________________________________________________________ OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends:Get A Month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. W00t http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text2.com From achd73 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 19:59:28 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:59:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] !964 Le Mans Tiger Slot Car In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <603003.37346.qm@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I concour w/ Theo. Besides they have a discussino group as well. Cant get enough help from everyone kind enough to share. To swing the bat at two subjects. Epay is a lace to make money on what is junk, to some and treasures to others.If I should be luckey enough to own spare parts Ive stored, invested in, as opposed to the stock market or my buddy who drills oil wells for a living- yeas, he begged me to buy in more than once- talk about making a profit- hope the dont start selling oil on epay- China might one day own epay as it is.LOL Anyway, its part of using epay, if you dont like the game- which the once great idea has become- dont shop there. You can bet its just not Tiger parts being driven up by gosh knows whom.Everyone have a great weekend- its gettig Beam time. tttiger ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From cmccann at lwpb.com Fri Mar 28 20:30:11 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:30:11 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] power coating Message-ID: <014401c8914c$8914ee14$0564a8c0@LWPB.local> One thing I experienced in powder coating was an element called "off-gassing" which I think basically means that certain metals, in my case it was a late model cast aluminum, will dissipate heat or some vapor out of the pores and bubble the coating during the baking process. It might be percieved as pimples or bumps in the finish. There are other types of coatings that can be used if this is a problem. U might check with your coater to see if this could be an issue. Cullen B382001452 Powder coating is nothing more than the name- a coating. The smoothness would have to come from good prep just like for regular paint. The thin coating will go over the top of any bumps and blistering and likely highlight them just like a coat of new paint. May have to start all over and have the wheels blasted, dipped or something. Curt Hoffman > Hi All > How smooth is powder coating supposed to turn out ? I just got my 1936 > IHC wheels back ( wire spokes) and they are not nice . The rust pits show > up > bad . I know you can't do any filler under powder , but shouldn't they be > able to make it reasonably smooth ???? Thanks in advance. You are subscribed as cmccann at lwpb.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From atwittsend at verizon.net Fri Mar 28 22:01:51 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:01:51 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] !964 Le Mans Tiger Slot Car (sniping) References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EE7C@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <002a01c8915a$00c31c10$0202a8c0@student2> I'll add a bit to Theo's comments on Ebay. The process of sniping is as he stated. The purpose is to keep the cost down by having others assume the price won't go higher, then drop in your slightly higher bid at the last possible second. Even sniping is a mote point if someone bids beyond reason with an open wallet. Remember Ebay honors the highest amount. So you could bid $100 on a $10 valued item days before the end. The item could be at $9 two seconds before the auction ends. At the last second you could slam in a $50 bid and I would still get the item for $51. That's just the way it works. I have won I think four auctions literally on the very last second. That would include years ago my winning "The Book Of Norman" beating out the lists own Buck Trippel (sorry Buck). My "perennial bridesmaid" position on most items shows me I am good at "guesstimating" a good price , but I'm too cheap to pay more than a good deal. Recently it has been brought to my attention that there a companies that will snipe for you. The fee is very minimal, I thing about 10-25 cents. They use servers that rapidly check and respond. So, in the end the method Theo and I use seems to be dated and slow. In the future I guess it will come down to what snipe service can respond to the faster giga-second. Tom From achd73 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 28 22:43:54 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger (sniping) In-Reply-To: <002a01c8915a$00c31c10$0202a8c0@student2> Message-ID: <252967.78922.qm@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Something that grabbed my attention in Toms post was that he has been on epay enough that he uses the term epay continually uses "WIN"Ive spent more than I should have on epay BUT I am yet to win anything. Epay never passes up a chance to use sentenance with the word WIN directed towards the member. If anyone ever wins anything, please let me know. tttiger ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com From parlanti at comcast.net Sat Mar 29 06:06:15 2008 From: parlanti at comcast.net (Joe Parlanti) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 09:06:15 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] power coating In-Reply-To: <014401c8914c$8914ee14$0564a8c0@LWPB.local> References: <014401c8914c$8914ee14$0564a8c0@LWPB.local> Message-ID: <00f101c8919d$ad809fc0$0881df40$@net> Folks, I've been powder coating for a long time and have run across this issue many times. Cast aluminum is the worst offender and the way to prevent it from happening is to preheat the part at >400 (or whatever the powder cure temp is specified to be) for an hour or 2, let cool, and then apply powder. I just finished my '60s vintage aluminum Dunlop wheels with no issues. On the subject of finish roughness, powder coating is just like paint in that it will flow-out and reveal imperfections. I have used something similar to Alumalead which is an aluminum powder based filler with good results. After a quick search though, I found this product which is made for powder coating: http://www.thermobond3.com/ Hope this helps, JVP Joe Parlanti '66 Tiger Mk1A B382000026 '59 Abarth Zagato 750GT -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+parlanti=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+parlanti=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:30 PM To: Curt; Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] power coating One thing I experienced in powder coating was an element called "off-gassing" which I think basically means that certain metals, in my case it was a late model cast aluminum, will dissipate heat or some vapor out of the pores and bubble the coating during the baking process. It might be percieved as pimples or bumps in the finish. There are other types of coatings that can be used if this is a problem. U might check with your coater to see if this could be an issue. Cullen B382001452 Snip ... From CoolVT at aol.com Sat Mar 29 08:08:52 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:08:52 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Alpine info Message-ID: I'm supposed to look at a couple of Alpines for parts. Would all of the Alpines that have a metal cover over the folded top have round corner doors and hood? Or, is there a mixture where things were phased in? I really no little about Alpines and what goes with what year. Mark **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Sat Mar 29 11:15:25 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:15:25 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] !964 Le Mans Tiger Slot Car In-Reply-To: <603003.37346.qm@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <603003.37346.qm@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0803291115o6ec16700te8947f514e6e503e@mail.gmail.com> i don't mind hosting and administering a wanted/forsale forum on my server. as a member of many US tiger clubs and the UK club it would be independent. i have also paid far too much for many items on epay. i even bought my tiger on ebay! please respond to me personally if you think this could be worthwhile. if i get the impression it would be appreciated i'll set it up. - owain. On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 2:59 AM, Tony Somebody wrote: > I concour w/ Theo. Besides they have a discussino > group as well. Cant get enough help from everyone kind > enough to share. > > To swing the bat at two subjects. Epay is a lace to > make money on what is junk, to some and treasures to > others.If I should be luckey enough to own spare parts > Ive stored, invested in, as opposed to the stock > market or my buddy who drills oil wells for a living- > yeas, he begged me to buy in more than once- talk > about making a profit- hope the dont start selling oil > on epay- China might one day own epay as it is.LOL > Anyway, its part of using epay, if you dont like the > game- which the once great idea has become- dont shop > there. You can bet its just not Tiger parts being > driven up by gosh knows whom.Everyone have a great > weekend- its gettig Beam time. tttiger > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From Rollright at aol.com Sun Mar 30 09:19:12 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 12:19:12 EDT Subject: [Tigers] trunk spring boots Message-ID: Hello, I visited the site of the "person" selling Alpine parts at astronomical prices. I noticed something that I'd never seen before: Trunk hinge spring BOOTS or GLOVES. Did Tigers have them originally? I bought my car in 76 and they were not there. Never noticed them on another guy's Tiger OR Alpine. As I don't have a BON, can original owners or BON owners set me straight, please? Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Sun Mar 30 10:24:43 2008 From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] UPDATED LIST: former BLMC marques + their current owners Message-ID: <2009181.1206897883932.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> -----Forwarded Message----- >From: Stephen G Cooper >Sent: Mar 30, 2008 1:10 PM >To: Arcane_autos at yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Arcane_autos] Re:former BLMC marques and their current owners - please add info! > >The Leyland name was purchased and still used by DAF of the Netherlands. The trucks are still running in Europe. > >more later > >Stephen Cooper > -----Original Message----- >From: John Voelcker >Sent: Mar 29, 2008 10:30 AM >Subject: UPDATED LIST: former BLMC marques + their current owners > >I do love the Interwebs ... based on Robert's info, here's an updated list with a couple of educated guesses. > > As for the Leyland brand (used on trucks in several markets, and cars in Australia only), it may have gone to whoever bought BLMC's truck business -- anyone know who that was? > > Mini / Mini Cooper - BMW > Austin - BMW >Morris - BMW >Riley - BMW >Triumph - BMW >Standard - BMW ?? >Wolseley - BMW ?? > >MG - SAIC, China > > Jaguar - Tata >Land Rover - Tata >Rover - Tata >Daimler - Tata >Lancaster - Tata >Vanden Plas - Tata > Alvis - Tata ?? > >best, jv. From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Mar 30 11:33:50 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 11:33:50 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Reconnoitering Big Bear Message-ID: <47EFDD0E.1020200@mayfco.com> I sent a two part message to the tigers and alpines list. I just received notice that it was too long by about 950 bytes (characters) for the Alpine list, and since I have not received my own back from the tiger list it probably flunked that one also. So unless the moderator consents to let them pass, yo wont get them. For all who are trailering up to Big Bear, send me a note and I will forward what I wrote to you directly. You need to know what I found out. mayf From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Sun Mar 30 11:54:50 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:54:50 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] wanted and for sale forum Message-ID: <39a841b0803301154l57a9115yf2a6b371693c023a@mail.gmail.com> as a lot of people showed an interest in the idea of a single forum only for bits trading and nobody told me to get lost, i just set this up: http://tigerbits.org/ its not properly tested so there may be issues - please let me know if you have any. sorry, but you will need to register to post. its very simple and there's already a (very) little something on there for someone, so lets see how this goes... - owain. ---- beware of the left handed cat. From tsmit at shaw.ca Sun Mar 30 13:54:02 2008 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:54:02 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] UPDATED LIST: former BLMC marques + their current owners In-Reply-To: <2009181.1206897883932.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <2009181.1206897883932.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <47EFFDEA.1050502@shaw.ca> Wasn't DAF bought by Volvo back in the mid to late 70's? Theo rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net wrote: > -----Forwarded Message----- > >> From: Stephen G Cooper >> Sent: Mar 30, 2008 1:10 PM >> To: Arcane_autos at yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [Arcane_autos] Re:former BLMC marques and their current owners - please add info! >> >> The Leyland name was purchased and still used by DAF of the Netherlands. The trucks are still running in Europe. >> >> more later >> >> Stephen Cooper From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sun Mar 30 14:22:56 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:22:56 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Owain's "Bits" Message-ID: <47F004B0.8040605@SoCal.rr.com> Owain. Just visited your new site. Great beginning! Lots of good fortune. Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com From c_mottram at yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 15:01:03 2008 From: c_mottram at yahoo.com (Chris Mottram) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Get Smart 2008 Message-ID: <858398.26211.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Check out this clip from the new Get Smart movie- the Sunbeam action starts at 1:36 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqgSFcBcAto&feature=related Chris ____________________________________________________________________________________ No Cost - Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now. Sweet deal for Yahoo! users and friends. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text1.com From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun Mar 30 15:04:32 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:04:32 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] trunk spring boots In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you are reffering to the vynil covers that go over the springs that attach to the trunk props, yes they should have thm. For some reason Tigers and Alpines keep lossing this stuff.. no idea why. -- Regards Michael King From todbrown at roadrunner.com Sun Mar 30 15:21:00 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:21:00 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] trunk spring boots Message-ID: <47F0124C.2040201@roadrunner.com> They were not on my Tiger originally, but I have seen them on early Alpines. Tod B382002384LRXFE From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sun Mar 30 15:36:17 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:36:17 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Get Smart 2008 In-Reply-To: <858398.26211.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <858398.26211.qm@web31505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47F015E1.50008@SoCal.rr.com> Thanks, Chris, Here is the ORIGINAL series opening. http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=AvMj5LuT5hk Everybody gets to decide for themselves. ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Chris Mottram wrote: > Check out this clip from the new Get Smart movie- the Sunbeam action starts at 1:36 > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqgSFcBcAto&feature=related > > Chris From bamcnulty at optonline.net Sun Mar 30 16:38:05 2008 From: bamcnulty at optonline.net (Tony McNulty) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:38:05 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] trunk spring boots References: Message-ID: <001201c892bf$1a3d8f70$0200a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Original owner -- never saw one in my life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael king" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] trunk spring boots > If you are reffering to the vynil covers that go over the springs that > attach to the trunk props, yes they should have thm. For some reason > Tigers > and Alpines keep lossing this stuff.. no idea why. > -- > Regards > > Michael King > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bamcnulty at optonline.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From Landcmitch at aol.com Sun Mar 30 16:54:01 2008 From: Landcmitch at aol.com (Landcmitch at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:54:01 EDT Subject: [Tigers] trunk spring boots Message-ID: Another original owner - They came on mine and are still there. B9470574 Charlie **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From arado7 at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 30 17:07:33 2008 From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:07:33 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] trunk spring boots References: Message-ID: <001801c892c3$38975920$6401a8c0@GMI> Still there. Original unmodified car B9472283 Gary From wseay at embarqmail.com Sun Mar 30 17:14:47 2008 From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:14:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] trunk spring boots References: <001801c892c3$38975920$6401a8c0@GMI> Message-ID: <000e01c892c4$3b2e8950$0301a8c0@xpseay> Another original owner: didn't come on mine. B382001570 ____________________________ Will Seay wseay at embarqmail.com From Sjhcobra1 at cs.com Sun Mar 30 17:20:58 2008 From: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Sjhcobra1 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:20:58 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] trunk spring boots Message-ID: <263530FF.4986607D.028BE4CD@cs.com> I have them on my Mk1, but not on my Mk1A or Mk2. Steve Halbrook From strombecker at telus.net Sun Mar 30 17:49:19 2008 From: strombecker at telus.net (TM) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:49:19 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] trunk spring boots References: Message-ID: <003c01c892c9$0e11aba0$667ba8c0@your55e5f9e3d2> My Mk 1 has the boots on the trunk springs. It is unmodified, but under restoration, B9471362. Any information on any markings on the cars from the original unmolested owners on the forum. I would like to put any factory marking back on my car. Terry B9471362 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] trunk spring boots > Hello, > > I visited the site of the "person" selling Alpine parts at astronomical > prices. > > I noticed something that I'd never seen before: > > Trunk hinge spring BOOTS or GLOVES. > > Did Tigers have them originally? I bought my car in 76 and they were not > there. Never noticed them on another guy's Tiger OR Alpine. > > As I don't have a BON, can original owners or BON owners set me straight, > please? > > Best regards, > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as strombecker at telus.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From jimdamelio at cox.net Sun Mar 30 17:59:45 2008 From: jimdamelio at cox.net (Jim D'Amelio) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:59:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] trunk spring boots In-Reply-To: <263530FF.4986607D.028BE4CD@cs.com> Message-ID: Looks like another cost savings measure by Chrysler. Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From sixtysixtiger at hotmail.com Sun Mar 30 18:54:28 2008 From: sixtysixtiger at hotmail.com (Arden Bedell) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:54:28 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] wanted and for sale forum In-Reply-To: <39a841b0803301154l57a9115yf2a6b371693c023a@mail.gmail.com> References: <39a841b0803301154l57a9115yf2a6b371693c023a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Fantastic! From laurin212 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 19:08:30 2008 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:08:30 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] wanted and for sale forum References: <39a841b0803301154l57a9115yf2a6b371693c023a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006601c892d4$1d4c97a0$6501a8c0@PETERHOME> cool, thanks owain! peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Tiger List" Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:54 PM Subject: [Tigers] wanted and for sale forum > as a lot of people showed an interest in the idea of a single forum > only for bits trading and nobody told me to get lost, i just set this > up: > > http://tigerbits.org/ > > its not properly tested so there may be issues - please let me know if > you have any. > > sorry, but you will need to register to post. > > its very simple and there's already a (very) little something on there > for someone, so lets see how this goes... > > - owain. > > ---- > beware of the left handed cat. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as laurin212 at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From laurin212 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 30 19:11:21 2008 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:11:21 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] wanted and for sale forum References: <39a841b0803301154l57a9115yf2a6b371693c023a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006a01c892d4$836670b0$6501a8c0@PETERHOME> can we set up a section to post pics (using links to a host like photobucket) so it wont take up bandwith on your site? i would love to see pics of other folks' cars and the like... i sight a frequent a lot, but for wrist watch fanatics, is huge on posting pics (timezone.com). they even have an auto section. i wish there was somethig tiger-specific that folks can post pics to, maybe it will be this new site? peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owain Lloyd" To: "Tiger List" Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:54 PM Subject: [Tigers] wanted and for sale forum > as a lot of people showed an interest in the idea of a single forum > only for bits trading and nobody told me to get lost, i just set this > up: > > http://tigerbits.org/ > > its not properly tested so there may be issues - please let me know if > you have any. > > sorry, but you will need to register to post. > > its very simple and there's already a (very) little something on there > for someone, so lets see how this goes... > > - owain. > > ---- > beware of the left handed cat. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as laurin212 at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From cmccann at lwpb.com Sun Mar 30 19:59:54 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:59:54 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] wanted and for sale forum References: <39a841b0803301154l57a9115yf2a6b371693c023a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Owain, I registered and put in my email address for the activation but haven't received the email. Im pretty sure I typed it in correctly. user name: tigerkidd, to this email. Im really looking forward to this site, great job putting it together. Cullen B382001452 From rande at thecia.net Sun Mar 30 20:46:23 2008 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:46:23 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] sleeves Message-ID: <47f05e8f.16dc.0@thecia.net> They're called trunk stay spring sleeves in the trim section of the parts catalog under body fittings, and my car (B382000048) has them. In my case, they're black pigskin grain, and my car was originally black on black. From drmayf at mayfco.com Sun Mar 30 22:24:19 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:24:19 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Reconnoitering Big Bear Notes Message-ID: <47F07583.9080200@mayfco.com> Folks, just be aware that the notes I am sending out to those who request them because the list moderator wont let them through either list, are my opinions. Your mileage may vary, lol. I am just trying to be helpful and not trying to panic anyone. But I guaranbtee that had yo started up highway 18 with a trailer yo would have regretted it, lol... mayf From chris at cthompson.net Sun Mar 30 22:31:59 2008 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:31:59 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Reconnoitering Big Bear Notes In-Reply-To: <47F07583.9080200@mayfco.com> References: <47F07583.9080200@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <47F0774F.3070808@cthompson.net> I lived near Big Bear (ArrowBear) for about a year around 30 years ago. If my recollections are correct, it can snow just about any time of year up there. Bring chains ;-) IIRC correctly, the first TU was in Big Bear, and lotsa cars overheated climbing on up there and bearly made it ;-). Make sure you're in tip-top shape....... Chris drmayf wrote: > Folks, just be aware that the notes I am sending out to those who > request them because the list moderator wont let them through either > list, are my opinions. Your mileage may vary, lol. > > I am just trying to be helpful and not trying to panic anyone. But I > guaranbtee that had yo started up highway 18 with a trailer yo would > have regretted it, lol... > > mayf From twotigers at verizon.net Sun Mar 30 23:09:27 2008 From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:09:27 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] uh-oh CLOCK Message-ID: <000a01c892f5$c700f270$2f01a8c0@smith> Had the Tiger out for a spin today. I don't normally look at the clock in my Tiger because it's only correct twice a day, but with my recent ammeter foibles, I happened to glance over at it. NOOOOOOOO! Why couldn't it be a Smith's clock, like it's supposed to be!?! There, sitting in my dash, is a Jaeger clock. It has all vertical white numbers (3,6,9,12) on a black backgound, red pointers (they match the gauges), across the top in small white lettering: 12 v neg. earth cte 3106/00 made in u.k. At the 10 o'clock position is a spring-loaded pullout to adjust the hands. At the 2 o'clock position is a small straight screw for the fast/slow adjustment and it is marked + on one side and - on the other. The clock matches the gauges beautifully. Anybody want to take a shot at this one? Kirk. From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Mar 31 00:42:19 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:42:19 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] wanted and for sale forum In-Reply-To: References: <39a841b0803301154l57a9115yf2a6b371693c023a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0803310042t7551c1bbs7f3d78595f85c6a2@mail.gmail.com> apologies. there was an issue sending emails. i just activated about 30 pending users and changed it so new users don't need to activate their account. if you're waiting for an email, please just go and log in. http://tigerbits.org On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 3:59 AM, Cullen McCann wrote: > > Owain, > > I registered and put in my email address for the activation but haven't received the email. Im pretty sure I typed it in correctly. > > user name: tigerkidd, to this email. > > Im really looking forward to this site, great job putting it together. > > Cullen > B382001452 From mark.rense at ge.com Mon Mar 31 05:42:37 2008 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:42:37 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] trunk spring boots In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My early MK1A has them (B382000991), my later MK1A does not (B382001465). Let's see if we can get to exact car that determined the change. Bugz ----Original Message----- From: Rollright at aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 12:19 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] trunk spring boots Did Tigers have them originally? I bought my car in 76 and they were not there. Never noticed them on another guy's Tiger OR Alpine. From un-cole-a at juno.com Mon Mar 31 06:41:59 2008 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:41:59 GMT Subject: [Tigers] trunk spring boots Message-ID: <20080331.094159.29508.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> I have a 65 SIV Alpine that has them. It would be interesting to find out when the change happened. I don't know if it's associated when Chrysler or not. _____________________________________________________________ Click here to become a professional counselor in less time than you think. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oJtpbYTrXXQMfDrZfgPNkrLKnW sFNJuYgXZKCkyWMlt8rYY/ From un-cole-a at juno.com Mon Mar 31 06:55:11 2008 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:55:11 GMT Subject: [Tigers] wanted and for sale forum Message-ID: <20080331.095511.29508.2@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Great site!!!! I hope I don't get into a bidding war again!!! :) _____________________________________________________________ Don't throw your computer away! Click now for expert computer repair! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mCNSGcINzuXWWRplfHg9BCrHJS j3I3LXLhK6ZFfPP7Wqjsi/ From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Mon Mar 31 07:29:38 2008 From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:29:38 EDT Subject: [Tigers] trunk spring boots Message-ID: They are on my MKI. Fred Baum 9470768 **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From Rollright at aol.com Mon Mar 31 08:25:59 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:25:59 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Trunk spring hinge BOOTS Message-ID: Well, A brief overview of the information received (a lot of responses) on the spring BOOTS: They came on some cars and not on others. Seems they were there on MK 1s and deleted sometime on MK 1As. Now, would anyone (Norm, maybe?) be able to tell us when they were deleted? I'm going to write a separate thread on photos of a typical car like are available for AH 3000s. Thanks for all the responses. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From Rollright at aol.com Mon Mar 31 08:39:48 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:39:48 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Photos of a complete car Message-ID: Hello, Austin Healey 3000 guys have a supplier in CA (where else?) they refer to as the Healey gods. These guys have virtually everything for a Healey. Rick at SS is good, but these people are in another galaxy. Anyway, they have a photo set, (many photos! ) that shows a PERFECT big Healey. Showing a picture of Everything! Yes, there are 100/6, 3000 Mk 1s, Mk 2s, and Mk 3s but there is the idea. There are enough guys with perfect, bone stock Mk 1s, 1As and 11s that we could do something like that. Engine compartment, trunk, interior, hardtop, and so on. These photo sets aren't cheap but I'd certainly buy one (certainly cheaper than a BON at this stage). Thoughts? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Mar 31 08:40:22 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:40:22 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Trunk spring hinge BOOTS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39a841b0803310840p52cc8db0ld015f49d75c74462@mail.gmail.com> how about a photo? i can't imagine exactly what they look like. mk1a 1165 doesn't have them but its not very original... On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 5:25 PM, wrote: > Well, > > A brief overview of the information received (a lot of responses) on the > spring BOOTS: > > They came on some cars and not on others. Seems they were there on MK 1s and > deleted sometime on MK 1As. > > Now, would anyone (Norm, maybe?) be able to tell us when they were deleted? > > I'm going to write a separate thread on photos of a typical car like are > available for AH 3000s. > > Thanks for all the responses. > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A 382002083 > LRXFE > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From chris at cthompson.net Mon Mar 31 08:47:04 2008 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:47:04 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Trunk spring hinge BOOTS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47F10778.6060608@cthompson.net> Although not the original owner,my car passed through the hands of Norm who said he fixed it up right. No covers on B382000331 Rollright at aol.com wrote: > Well, > > A brief overview of the information received (a lot of responses) on the > spring BOOTS: > > They came on some cars and not on others. Seems they were there on MK 1s and > deleted sometime on MK 1As. > > Now, would anyone (Norm, maybe?) be able to tell us when they were deleted? > > I'm going to write a separate thread on photos of a typical car like are > available for AH 3000s. > > Thanks for all the responses. From Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com Mon Mar 31 09:08:54 2008 From: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com (Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:08:54 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Spring Covers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ok, now that it seems to be clear that there was a change over, what is it that they are actually supposed to do? As far as I can tell, the springs don't vibrate and hit anything. But, perhaps that was the intent. ====================================================================== Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in and transmitted with this communication is strictly confidential, is intended only for the use of the intended recipient, and is the property of Countrywide Financial Corporation or its affiliates and subsidiaries. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of the information contained in or transmitted with the communication or dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited by law. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately return this communication to the sender and delete the original message and any copy of it in your possession. ====================================================================== From jaars at emailmv.com Mon Mar 31 09:51:10 2008 From: jaars at emailmv.com (Robert Jaarsma) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:51:10 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger parts Message-ID: <000001c8934f$704245b0$1d6d7dc7@userqlmt4f4s6s> Do I really have to follow another site again?? TE/AE forum http://www.TEAE.org/forum has this already and is mainly visited by Tiger (and Alpine) people ONLY. It is not an EBay! I did not see the rip-off artist there. Robert From un-cole-a at juno.com Mon Mar 31 10:46:53 2008 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:46:53 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Spring Covers Message-ID: <20080331.134653.7315.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> >From the 9 replies with ID# here is the break down: B9470574 yes have covers B9470768 yes B9471362 yes B9472283 yes B382000048 yes B382000331 no covers B382001570 no B382002083 no B382002384 no I think it's safe to say all MKI Tigers had the covers. I would also guess that the early MKII Tigers came with covers. When the change happened to delete the covers I'm not sure but it would look like the first few hundred MKII Tiger may have had covers. Very interesting. Tim B9470149 _____________________________________________________________ Free Phones with a Plan. All Cellular Carriers- Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oHH6nLEzuka0EqEGKocUWhGbIS 0GURoLNoggHjrxGHwXGn0/ From larryall at pacbell.net Mon Mar 31 10:52:11 2008 From: larryall at pacbell.net (Larry Allbritton) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Spring Boots Message-ID: <18040.56493.qm@web83003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> They are on B9472723 Larry A. Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:46:23 -0400 From: "rande" Subject: [Tigers] sleeves To: tigers at autox.team.net Cc: Rollright at aol.com Message-ID: <47f05e8f.16dc.0 at thecia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" They're called trunk stay spring sleeves in the trim section of the parts catalog under body fittings, and my car (B382000048) has them. In my case, they're black pigskin grain, and my car was originally black on black. From chris at cthompson.net Mon Mar 31 12:58:08 2008 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:58:08 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Spring Covers In-Reply-To: <20080331.134653.7315.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080331.134653.7315.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <47F14250.3060601@cthompson.net> Of course you meant Mk1a, not MkII. And remember, I'm not the original owner of 331, so being the first on the list showing no covers is not definitive! un-cole-a at juno.com wrote: > >From the 9 replies with ID# here is the break down: > B9470574 yes have covers > B9470768 yes > B9471362 yes > B9472283 yes > B382000048 yes > B382000331 no covers > B382001570 no > B382002083 no > B382002384 no > > I think it's safe to say all MKI Tigers had the covers. > I would also guess that the early MKII Tigers came with covers. When the > change happened to delete the covers I'm not sure but it would look like the > first few hundred MKII Tiger may have had covers. > Very interesting. > > Tim > B9470149 From un-cole-a at juno.com Mon Mar 31 13:24:41 2008 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:24:41 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Spring Covers Message-ID: <20080331.162441.1982.2@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> There is certainly room for error on the list I made. I wish we had more responses on the subject. I do think it is safe to say all MKIs had the cover, now when did they start deleting the covers is the question. We know at least the first 48 should have came with the cover, now what we need is a good sampling of MKIa Tigers to respond to get a good feel for when they were deleted. Another good source would be the Alpines, they also came with the covers and if we could find out when the Alpines were deleted it would give us a good idea of when the Tigers were deleted. _____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Click to get an emergency loan, bad credit ok http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mKmyCrPghhpdtm59f2GM4q5Vbn 7fsaIxGlMSgH3dFO7BNQ5/ From mark.rense at ge.com Mon Mar 31 13:56:18 2008 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:56:18 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Spring Covers In-Reply-To: <47F14250.3060601@cthompson.net> References: <20080331.134653.7315.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> <47F14250.3060601@cthompson.net> Message-ID: As I stated in a previous email: B382000991 - covers B382001465 - no covers -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Thompson Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 3:58 PM To: un-cole-a at juno.com Cc: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk Spring Covers Of course you meant Mk1a, not MkII. And remember, I'm not the original owner of 331, so being the first on the list showing no covers is not definitive! un-cole-a at juno.com wrote: > >From the 9 replies with ID# here is the break down: > B9470574 yes have covers > B9470768 yes > B9471362 yes > B9472283 yes > B382000048 yes > B382000331 no covers > B382001570 no > B382002083 no > B382002384 no > > I think it's safe to say all MKI Tigers had the covers. > I would also guess that the early MKII Tigers came with covers. When > the change happened to delete the covers I'm not sure but it would > look like the first few hundred MKII Tiger may have had covers. > Very interesting. > > Tim > B9470149 You are subscribed as mark.rense at ge.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From cmccann at lwpb.com Mon Mar 31 14:30:33 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:30:33 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Spring Covers In-Reply-To: References: <20080331.134653.7315.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com><47F14250.3060601@cthompson.net> Message-ID: B382001452 - no covers when I acquired the car it was in an original state, again not definitive, but certainly no signs that they have ever been present. M. Cullen McCann, Assoc. AIA Project Manager T Direct 405 470 4912 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+cmccann=lwpb.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+cmccann=lwpb.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 3:56 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk Spring Covers As I stated in a previous email: B382000991 - covers B382001465 - no covers -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Thompson Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 3:58 PM To: un-cole-a at juno.com Cc: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk Spring Covers Of course you meant Mk1a, not MkII. And remember, I'm not the original owner of 331, so being the first on the list showing no covers is not definitive! un-cole-a at juno.com wrote: > >From the 9 replies with ID# here is the break down: > B9470574 yes have covers > B9470768 yes > B9471362 yes > B9472283 yes > B382000048 yes > B382000331 no covers > B382001570 no > B382002083 no > B382002384 no > > I think it's safe to say all MKI Tigers had the covers. > I would also guess that the early MKII Tigers came with covers. When > the change happened to delete the covers I'm not sure but it would > look like the first few hundred MKII Tiger may have had covers. > Very interesting. > > Tim > B9470149 You are subscribed as mark.rense at ge.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as cmccann at lwpb.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From zimme008 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 31 14:35:59 2008 From: zimme008 at yahoo.com (Randy Zimmermann) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:35:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Spring Covers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <191039.5294.qm@web56407.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Though I am not an 'original' owner, my more-or-less stock MKIa had no evidence of these covers when I purchased it in 1994. Randy Z. B382002349 "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" wrote: As I stated in a previous email: B382000991 - covers B382001465 - no covers -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Thompson Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 3:58 PM To: un-cole-a at juno.com Cc: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk Spring Covers Of course you meant Mk1a, not MkII. And remember, I'm not the original owner of 331, so being the first on the list showing no covers is not definitive! un-cole-a at juno.com wrote: > >From the 9 replies with ID# here is the break down: > B9470574 yes have covers > B9470768 yes > B9471362 yes > B9472283 yes > B382000048 yes > B382000331 no covers > B382001570 no > B382002083 no > B382002384 no > > I think it's safe to say all MKI Tigers had the covers. > I would also guess that the early MKII Tigers came with covers. When > the change happened to delete the covers I'm not sure but it would > look like the first few hundred MKII Tiger may have had covers. > Very interesting. > > Tim > B9470149 You are subscribed as mark.rense at ge.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as zimme008 at yahoo.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive --------------------------------- OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends: Get A Month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. W00t From achd73 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 31 14:48:40 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Photos of a complete car In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <323663.10219.qm@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jim, I think you have a great idea. Pics of orginal cars that do exist would be great= really great if all the cars where included- eventho there where changes made, especially on Mk1 cars as time went on. It would be super if the tigers United site had these pics for everyone to view. Im certain Mr. Laiffman would gladly add them to the site. regards to all. TTT ____________________________________________________________________________________ OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends:Get A Month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. W00t http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text2.com From jteepen at usatoday.com Mon Mar 31 15:18:57 2008 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:18:57 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Spring Covers In-Reply-To: <47F14250.3060601@cthompson.net> Message-ID: B382000113 has covers (red ones! Paint code 39, did they match them?). I have only owned the car for 6 years and do know it needed much restoration prior to my purchase. I will call PO and ask if he recalls whether the covers were there on his acquisition or not. Resto was over 20 years ago, may be no information available. Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Thompson Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 12:58 PM To: un-cole-a at juno.com Cc: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk Spring Covers Of course you meant Mk1a, not MkII. And remember, I'm not the original owner of 331, so being the first on the list showing no covers is not definitive! un-cole-a at juno.com wrote: > >From the 9 replies with ID# here is the break down: > B9470574 yes have covers > B9470768 yes > B9471362 yes > B9472283 yes > B382000048 yes > B382000331 no covers > B382001570 no > B382002083 no > B382002384 no > > I think it's safe to say all MKI Tigers had the covers. > I would also guess that the early MKII Tigers came with covers. When > the change happened to delete the covers I'm not sure but it would > look like the first few hundred MKII Tiger may have had covers. > Very interesting. > > Tim > B9470149 _ From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Mon Mar 31 15:55:37 2008 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:55:37 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Edelbrock Shocks Message-ID: <014f01c89382$5867ac40$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> About a month ago, in response to discussion on this list, I posted that CAT had ordered another batch of Edelbrock IAS Shocks for Tigers. These shocks are now in (part #S10), cost is $358 per set (all four shocks) plus shipping & tax (if in CA). (To order, contact Bill Graf @ CAT Parts) There are @ 15 sets available now. Buck Trippel CAT From drmayf at mayfco.com Mon Mar 31 16:29:50 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:29:50 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Some Google Earth Photos of Big Bear, the roads, and theResort Message-ID: <47F173EE.5040701@mayfco.com> I used google earth and got three good photos of highway 18 between Lucerne and Big Bear, Highway 18 out of Big Bear and the resort and parking lot itself. I do not know how big the jpg files are but I will be willing to try and send them to anyone who is trailering and wants to look.. mayf From choffman9 at cinci.rr.com Mon Mar 31 17:46:26 2008 From: choffman9 at cinci.rr.com (Curt) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:46:26 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger parts References: <000001c8934f$704245b0$1d6d7dc7@userqlmt4f4s6s> Message-ID: <006101c89391$d1379180$0101a8c0@HomeComputer> I agree. I think it is great that there is energy out there to improve communication but the TEAE forum has a great site for passing information, selling parts, etc. It doesn't cost anything, doesn't require club membership, is already global in scope, and supports the Sunbeam marque in a variety of ways. As an aside, for someone who has a lot of energy to improve web sites and communications, the TEAE club is looking for help and possibly a new web coordinator. Curt Hoffman > Do I really have to follow another site again?? > TE/AE forum http://www.TEAE.org/forum has this already and is > mainly visited by Tiger (and Alpine) people ONLY. > It is not an EBay! I did not see the rip-off artist there. > Robert From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Mar 31 17:49:31 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:49:31 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Motorsport article Message-ID: Someone posted that in March's issue of "Motorsport" there was an article on the ex-works Sunbeam Tiger that became a track car. I searched high and low locally (AU) for the magazine and could not find a copy. No seller here has back issues. I checked the magazines website, but they do not list it as a feature article in the March issue. Does anyone have more info on the article, or a cop they would scan/part with? -- Regards Michael King