From cmccann at lwpb.com Tue Jul 1 08:23:55 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 09:23:55 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] more ePay Tigers...fun topic Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473343867E2A@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> All, I know we beat this to death sometimes, but I can't help it, I enjoy the topic. There are several cars on e-Pay right now, and the one that caught my eye is the car with the Alpine parts car out of New Jersey. (Item number: 260256780525) and link below if it will work: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Sunbeam-Tiger-Sunbeam-Tiger-1966-r eal-original-car_W0QQitemZ260256780525QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item260256780525&_t rksid=p3286.m14.l1318 In previous discussions we have talked about when a car is too far gone....I remember a little red car sitting in the snow up north a few months back, and the opinions were across the board about whether or not it was "savable"....and I seem to remember taking the position that it was definitely capable of being saved and we should keep them on the road....well....now I am retracting that logic on this car. It seems clear to me that its definitely a real Tiger, and it has literally rotted away to nothing left. And between that and the wreck, I don't see much left to work with. At least there are some good parts... like inner fenders and drivetrain...some good interior bits that fortunately the owner keep out of the weather....but I cannot imagine the body being remotely usable, even for the most dedicated to optimism. I'm pretty sure that this one is so thin, that if you put a rope on it and tried to drag it out of the mud, it would pull apart into pieces the size of suitcases. Cullen From atwittsend at verizon.net Tue Jul 1 08:50:19 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 07:50:19 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] more ePay Tigers...fun topic References: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473343867E2A@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: <001c01c8db89$c87962e0$0202a8c0@student2> If one had more tools and time than money I still say it is doable. But, you have to be the kind of guy who likes to tinker - a lot! You know, it seems if you buy replacement panels from a reputable Tiger supplier then you are hailed as a savior for the marquee. If you adapt the same parts from an Alpine you run the risk of being accused of creating a fraud. Like most things in life it seems money buys (fill in the blank). I'll draw the line here, if the Toploader is rusted out from contact with the earth then even I have a limit. There probably isn't too much value beyond the current $2,500 bid. It will be interesting to see what it goes for. While everyone is watching Tiger prices based on "Get Smart," it may be basket cases like this that draw a decent number relative to condition that ultimately drives the upper end of the Tiger value. Tom (should be tinkering on my Tiger) Witt No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.3/1526 - Release Date: 6/30/2008 8:43 AM From CoolVT at aol.com Tue Jul 1 09:21:15 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 11:21:15 EDT Subject: [Tigers] more ePay Tigers...fun topic Message-ID: The passenger door doesn't look too bad. It's a starting point;-) **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From un-cole-a at juno.com Tue Jul 1 12:00:16 2008 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:00:16 GMT Subject: [Tigers] more ePay Tigers...fun topic Message-ID: <20080701.140016.19379.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> I think this car could be saved, would take a lot of time and money but it could be saved. There not making them anymore so we need to look hard and long before we send one to the crusher. I may be optimistic here but if somebody just bought this Tiger and stored it inside that would be a starting point. I see nothing wrong with using Alpine panels to help restore a Tiger, it's when it happens the other way around is were I take exception. To put Tiger parts on an Alpine is still an Alpine. If you swapped out an Alpine front end on a Tiger I think that is fine, you could change out a lot of panels on the Tiger and it still could receive a good TAC. The thing that struck me is the line about" If the car does not reach my low reserve, Ill let it sit where it is and rust-in-peace. How many Tigers are out there just rusting away because someone has the same attitude?? As the Tiger community we all need to step up the effort to try and save as many Tigers as possible. They are endangered now but for how long?? One day they will because extinct. ____________________________________________________________ Click here to compare top medical billing products, get demos, and quotes. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oiDnLQq7uZZ08Ope8jz95NQedw NzshNYShlgQwTyVcUqfTM/ From cmccann at lwpb.com Tue Jul 1 12:22:20 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 13:22:20 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] more ePay Tigers...fun topic In-Reply-To: <20080701.140016.19379.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080701.140016.19379.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473343867EBA@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> I agree, technically it could be saved. If a person wanted to get a donor Alpine and replace the non-tiger specific sheet metal, i.e. the rocker panels, the exterior fenders, the floor pans, (save the exhaust cutouts), and the trunk pan, (save the spare tire mount)...then it could be resurrected. We haven't seen it in person, but I suppose the frame itself could be disintegrated....but, I do agree that honestly, anything is fixable. I noticed the line about letting it sit where it is and rust in peace. I didn't really agree with that either, but I am always concerned that this belongs to someone on the list...dont want to offend anyone, at least not too bad. That's like the carnival red car and the BRG car on ebay now....I figured those belong to someone who is involved like the rest of us...maybe not? Cullen From Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Tue Jul 1 14:16:01 2008 From: Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 16:16:01 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers United XXXI Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF09E5EC1D@norn32.d30.intra> Listers, For those interested I have posted some video of my attempts at the Auto cross. Go to Youtube.com and search for "Sunbeam Tiger Burnout Tigers United" and you should see 3 different videos. Thanks to Dan McMedan (sp) as in one of the videos you can see where my son inadvertently left my camera on the car as I 'staged' for my run so he missed getting it on video and Dan saved the day :-). And Yes I do get that this is not typically how you start an Autocross run but it is hard to take the drag racer out of me .... Besides it was a HOOT! Dan Walters Torque arm is awesome. Now I just need some more tire. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLGEn-_aHeE&NR=1 Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings, Inc. PH: 949-305-5393 Cell: 949-289-3357 FX: 425-955-6268 Email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal Email: timronak at cox.net If you received this message in error please inform the sender and delete the message. From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 16:59:25 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 08:59:25 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] dyno run Message-ID: guys, i decided to have a pull on the dyno over the weekend here are the vids.. . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbdZeP2zu8Y&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIW7KGbnw2A -- Regards Michael King From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Jul 1 22:21:48 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 14:21:48 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] russo steele tiger listing Message-ID: the russo steele tiger: http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1965_sunbeam_tiger__coupe/39-1012.html got those WAP? sheels.. opitty about badge location. -- Regards Michael King From drmayf at mayfco.com Tue Jul 1 23:31:21 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:31:21 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] russo steele tiger listing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <486B12A9.1070803@mayfco.com> michael king wrote: >the russo steele tiger: > >http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1965_sunbeam_tiger__coupe/39-1012.html > >got those WAP? sheels.. opitty about badge location. > > > Hmmm, interesting. The low vin number seems to have the wrong engine. And for sure no 9 inch rear end. So how can it be restored and fully sorted? The rivits on the vin and the spec plate do not look original either, lol... Nice car though, even if not correct. mayf From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Wed Jul 2 06:02:32 2008 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Duke Samouce) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 08:02:32 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] russo steele tiger listing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301c8dc3b$82604eb0$8720ec10$@rr.com> Those are JAP (J.A. Pierce) wheels out of the UK. I have a set on my Tiger with spinners instead of the center caps. Mine are dated 1968. Duke -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:22 AM To: Tigers Subject: [Tigers] russo steele tiger listing the russo steele tiger: http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1965_sunbeam_tiger__coupe/39-101 2.html got those WAP? sheels.. opitty about badge location. -- Regards Michael King You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Wed Jul 2 07:12:37 2008 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Duke Samouce) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:12:37 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] russo steele tiger listing In-Reply-To: <000301c8dc3b$82604eb0$8720ec10$@rr.com> References: <000301c8dc3b$82604eb0$8720ec10$@rr.com> Message-ID: <000001c8dc45$4c97cc90$e5c765b0$@rr.com> Here is a link to a picture of them on my car. http://e28-535i.com/upload/tigersit1.JPG Duke -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Duke Samouce Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 8:03 AM To: 'michael king'; 'Tigers' Subject: Re: [Tigers] russo steele tiger listing Those are JAP (J.A. Pierce) wheels out of the UK. I have a set on my Tiger with spinners instead of the center caps. Mine are dated 1968. Duke -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:22 AM To: Tigers Subject: [Tigers] russo steele tiger listing the russo steele tiger: http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1965_sunbeam_tiger__coupe/39-101 2.html got those WAP? sheels.. opitty about badge location. -- Regards Michael King You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Wed Jul 2 14:42:42 2008 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Duke Samouce) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 16:42:42 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] LAT 50 Power-Lok limited slip unit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c8dc84$2d18e860$874ab920$@rr.com> Hello all, I just wanted to pass on that I have a Dana 44 LAT 50 Power-Lok limited slip unit for sale on ebay and the auction closes in the morning. This is a 19 spline unit with a floater for the Tiger's two piece shaft. Also included is a 4.10 ring and pinion set with the pinion having a coarse spline. The carrier alone is over $400 new if you can find a 19 spline unit for a two piece shaft. Bearings are also included. This would be a great combination for a high powered Tiger with a 5 speed transmission conversion. Here is a link to the auction - http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=012&sspagename=S TRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=220251316764&rd=1 Thanks for looking, Duke From srwick at hotmail.com Wed Jul 2 18:20:32 2008 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:20:32 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] LAT 50 Power-Lok limited slip unit References: <000001c8dc84$2d18e860$874ab920$@rr.com> Message-ID: Looks like the auction has been pulled. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Duke Samouce To: 'Tigers' Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 1:42 PM Subject: [Tigers] LAT 50 Power-Lok limited slip unit Hello all, I just wanted to pass on that I have a Dana 44 LAT 50 Power-Lok limited slip unit for sale on ebay and the auction closes in the morning. This is a 19 spline unit with a floater for the Tiger's two piece shaft. Also included is a 4.10 ring and pinion set with the pinion having a coarse spline. The carrier alone is over $400 new if you can find a 19 spline unit for a two piece shaft. Bearings are also included. This would be a great combination for a high powered Tiger with a 5 speed transmission conversion. Here is a link to the auction - http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=012&sspagename= S TRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=220251316764&rd=1 Thanks for looking, Duke From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 2 18:25:40 2008 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:25:40 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] LAT 50 Power-Lok limited slip unit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001201c8dca3$5352e2a0$6700a8c0@ROSS> Not true the link is truncated on the list. Copy the all of the link (requires two copy and paste actions) and you will get there. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse Looks like the auction has been pulled. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Duke Samouce To: 'Tigers' Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 1:42 PM Subject: [Tigers] LAT 50 Power-Lok limited slip unit Hello all, I just wanted to pass on that I have a Dana 44 LAT 50 Power-Lok limited slip unit for sale on ebay and the auction closes in the morning. This is a 19 spline unit with a floater for the Tiger's two piece shaft. Also included is a 4.10 ring and pinion set with the pinion having a coarse spline. The carrier alone is over $400 new if you can find a 19 spline unit for a two piece shaft. Bearings are also included. This would be a great combination for a high powered Tiger with a 5 speed transmission conversion. Here is a link to the auction - http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=012&sspagename= S TRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=220251316764&rd=1 Thanks for looking, Duke From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Jul 2 18:27:09 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 18:27:09 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] LAT 50 Power-Lok limited slip unit Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F102@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> No, the hyperlink in the message got broken is all. Put this number in the eBay search box: 220251316764 It will take you to the auction. Cheers, Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steve wick Sent: July 2, 2008 6:21 PM To: 'Tigers'; Duke Samouce Subject: Re: [Tigers] LAT 50 Power-Lok limited slip unit Looks like the auction has been pulled. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Duke Samouce To: 'Tigers' Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 1:42 PM Subject: [Tigers] LAT 50 Power-Lok limited slip unit Hello all, Here is a link to the auction - http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=012&sspagena me= S TRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=220251316764&rd=1 Thanks for looking, Duke You are subscribed as theo.smit at dynastream.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From crbernardino at mac.com Wed Jul 2 20:37:13 2008 From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino) Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:37:13 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Larz Anderson Auto Museum Question Message-ID: <0605F729-0697-434E-B7D2-5863260FE807@mac.com> Stu, Perhaps a naive question. On the Alpine in pic # DSCF0031_hf.jpg I notice the soft top has a little lip or 'spoiler' at the back edge. Is that typical of Alpine soft tops versus Tiger tops. Certainly my Tiger soft top does not have the lip. On another note, thanks everyone for the chair input. I ended up buying a set of Corbeau racing seats and recently installed them. Great lateral and back support and certainly makes driving more enjoyable. But I agree the silhouette is not as pretty as with stock seats. As for posting videos, have that on my list to do. Rob in CT From rande at thecia.net Thu Jul 3 04:53:28 2008 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 06:53:28 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] BCD Alpine Message-ID: <486cafa8.dd0.0@thecia.net> Rob, The red Alpine is a Series II, and it has a different top and side window design than the later Series III, Series IV, Series V, and Tiger tops. Your top is more comparable to the Alpine in picture # 15, if you have a Tiger. From newman.d at comcast.net Thu Jul 3 09:34:50 2008 From: newman.d at comcast.net (newman.d at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:34:50 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] How might I go about posting my Tiger for sale Message-ID: <070320081534.15928.486CF19A0000017F00003E3822165579960BD2020E03990A02@comcast.net> Hey there Tiger gang. I am thinking of putting my Tiger 66 MK1A up for sale, Orignal survivor car, mid 60s on the odometer, complete stock. Some upgrades (Aluminum Radiator, electic fan) but otherwise pretty much stock. Origianlly red, now light blue. Spent most of its life in California, and the last 13 years in the garage here in Colorado. Thinking of asking some where in the mid 30s as a price. Even has the stock OEM exhaust, new interior, needs paint, Dash is cracking on corners so needs that too, recommend new tires and a windshield otherwise all the rest of the car has all origianl engine, trans etc etc. Small rust on the bottom corners of the trunk, otherwise pretty great shape. Was also thinking of throwing it out on ebay... Anyone have any thoughts suggestions. I will have pictures later this week as well. I see all the notes on the forum so appreciate any help the group might want to offer. From bobdixon at frii.com Thu Jul 3 09:48:04 2008 From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 09:48:04 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Tigers] How might I go about posting my Tiger for sale In-Reply-To: <070320081534.15928.486CF19A0000017F00003E3822165579960BD2020E03990A02 @comcast.net> References: <070320081534.15928.486CF19A0000017F00003E3822165579960BD2020E03990A02@comcast.net> Message-ID: <37859.192.55.12.36.1215100084.squirrel@users.frii.com> I had better luck through Hemmings than through ebay. You may want to try that first. Good luck, Bob (also in Colorado) From jimdamelio at cox.net Thu Jul 3 14:36:59 2008 From: jimdamelio at cox.net (Jim D'Amelio) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 16:36:59 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Prices Message-ID: Looks like the Get Smart movie did raise the prices of Tigers and Alpines. Check out this auction. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160255329998&ssPageN ame=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=006 From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Jul 3 15:50:32 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 14:50:32 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] A quick Front BUmper Question Message-ID: <486D49A8.70504@mayfco.com> Slowly getting my Tiger back together after the very protracted paint operation. In fact, I still do not have the hard top back. All went into the shop in January,lol... But I do have the car back and I am putting bits and pieces back on. I have the rear bumper on and now an ready to put the front one on. But, I see that the brackets are sensitive to location. Do the slotted holes go down or up? Slots closer to the ground or farther away.. mayf. way off and very far out in a molten lead kinda ambient temperature today... From rtscolgan at yahoo.com Thu Jul 3 18:53:09 2008 From: rtscolgan at yahoo.com (Russ and Tammy C.) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 17:53:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] 5 liter Ford racing motor Message-ID: <303298.8536.qm@web50909.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I have just discovered that the Lakewood Bell Housing will not fit the tunnel without modification. I have also discovered that if I were to go back to a standard 6 bolt bell housing, that the clutch arm from the 260 is too short. Anyone know how to get a longer clutch arm and/or make the modifications to the tunnel? Thanks, Russ From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Thu Jul 3 19:08:27 2008 From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] 2008 VENTURA BRITISH CAR SHOW - July 27th - Oxnard Message-ID: <16708386.1215133707951.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> The Central Coast British Car Club Presents: THE EIGHTEENTH ANNUAL VENTURA COUNTY BRITISH CAR SHOW Channel Islands Harbour * July 27th, 2008 Join us for a great afternoon at our wonderful waterfront location at the Channel Islands Harbour. This year we are honoring the Austin Healey marque, featuring the 50th anniversary of the Bugeye Sprite. There will be food, entertainment, vendors, and a swap meet and some of the finest British Cars in Southern California. Oxnard is but a short and lovely drive up the coast from Los Angeles b Come to Oxnard, enjoy the show, enjoy the ride, be back by supper b SEE YOU THERE!!! Website: www.centralcoastbritishcarclub.com INFORMATION: Gary Rice (805) 644-3290 Bill Guzman (805) 484-1528 ******************************************************* From shelbycuda at hotmail.com Thu Jul 3 19:36:15 2008 From: shelbycuda at hotmail.com (Dan Kuenzi) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 18:36:15 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] How might I go about posting my Tiger for sale In-Reply-To: <070320081534.15928.486CF19A0000017F00003E3822165579960BD2020E03990A02@comcast.net> References: <070320081534.15928.486CF19A0000017F00003E3822165579960BD2020E03990A02@comcast.net> Message-ID: Given the Tiger's rarity and resulting lack of knowledge by the general public about the car (a more narrow focus in terms of buyers), Ebay may not be the best forum to sell a tiger. Hemmings has a strong following of educated buyers - I did sell a muscle car on Hemmings, was a good experience. Good luck. Dan > From: newman.d at comcast.net> To: Tigers at autox.team.net> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 15:34:50 +0000> Subject: [Tigers] How might I go about posting my Tiger for sale> > Hey there Tiger gang.> > > I am thinking of putting my Tiger 66 MK1A up for sale, Orignal survivor car, mid 60s on the odometer, complete stock. Some upgrades (Aluminum Radiator, electic fan) but otherwise pretty much stock. Origianlly red, now light blue. Spent most of its life in California, and the last 13 years in the garage here in Colorado.> > Thinking of asking some where in the mid 30s as a price. Even has the stock OEM exhaust, new interior, needs paint, Dash is cracking on corners so needs that too, recommend new tires and a windshield otherwise all the rest of the car has all origianl engine, trans etc etc. > > Small rust on the bottom corners of the trunk, otherwise pretty great shape.> > Was also thinking of throwing it out on ebay...> > Anyone have any thoughts suggestions. I will have pictures later this week as well.> > I see all the notes on the forum so appreciate any help the group might want to offer.> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > You are subscribed as shelbycuda at hotmail.com> > Tigers at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers> > http://www.team.net/archive _________________________________________________________________ Enter the Zune-A-Day Giveaway for your chance to win  day after day after day http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mobi le_Zune_V1 From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 3 19:43:37 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 18:43:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] A quick Front BUmper Question In-Reply-To: <486D49A8.70504@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <746928.96669.qm@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mayf- I think those slots are there to be able to adjust the bumper as close to level as possible--one might be closer to the top of the slot than the oppisite side. Seems some engines set at different points( fore and aft) from the factory and perhaps the frame rails where'nt always square to each other or on the saem elevation. The gentelman who just mentioned selling his one owner orginal might have the best response to your question, meanwhile I will look at a Mk1 and a S3 and S4 and S5 to see what they show but who knows about the damage covered up by PO's. The S4 I believe to be untouched but can you really compare the two. Good luck. TonytheTiger --- On Thu, 7/3/08, drmayf wrote: > From: drmayf > Subject: [Tigers] A quick Front BUmper Question > To: "tigers at autox.team.net" > Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 4:50 PM > Slowly getting my Tiger back together after the very > protracted paint > operation. In fact, I still do not have the hard top back. > All went into > the shop in January,lol... But I do have the car back and I > am putting > bits and pieces back on. I have the rear bumper on and now > an ready to > put the front one on. But, I see that the brackets are > sensitive to > location. Do the slotted holes go down or up? Slots closer > to the > ground or farther away.. > > mayf. way off and very far out in a molten lead kinda > ambient > temperature today... > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as achd73 at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Jul 3 19:55:30 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:55:30 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 5 liter Ford racing motor In-Reply-To: <303298.8536.qm@web50909.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c8dd79$0b8b77d0$c5921840@ronpc1> Russ The 260 clutch arm is part # C3AZ-7515-A. I believe that arm was upgraded in 65 for the 6 bolt 289 but not curtain of that. This part is available at Mustangs Unlimited, California mustang and the like. The catalogs also indicate another change at 2/15/68. You might want to call one of them to confirm the length of the arm unless someone on the list can measure one for you. There is also the possibility that the clutch arm from the 6 cyl was used for the 289 but I do not have enough information on hand to say for sure. Hope this helps you some. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Russ and Tammy C. Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 8:53 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] 5 liter Ford racing motor I have just discovered that the Lakewood Bell Housing will not fit the tunnel without modification. I have also discovered that if I were to go back to a standard 6 bolt bell housing, that the clutch arm from the 260 is too short. Anyone know how to get a longer clutch arm and/or make the modifications to the tunnel? Thanks, Russ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.4/1531 - Release Date: 7/2/2008 7:02 PM From motoys2001 at comcast.net Fri Jul 4 11:45:33 2008 From: motoys2001 at comcast.net (motoys2001 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:45:33 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] 5 liter Ford racing motor/bellhousing Message-ID: <070420081745.25752.486E61BD00013A1A000064982200737478CECFCFCD9C97019B0103@comcast.net> You do not have to modify the tunnel with one of these: http://www.quicktimeinc.com/products.html Check out part #RM-6062 &RM-6063 Good Luck From CMeinel464 at aol.com Fri Jul 4 11:48:06 2008 From: CMeinel464 at aol.com (CMeinel464 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 13:48:06 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Happy 4th !!! Message-ID: Happy 4th of July to all our fellow Alpine & Tiger owners. Curt & Patti Classic Sunbeam inc. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From drmayf at mayfco.com Fri Jul 4 12:46:42 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:46:42 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 5 liter Ford racing motor/bellhousing In-Reply-To: <070420081745.25752.486E61BD00013A1A000064982200737478CECFCFCD9C97019B0103@comcast.net> References: <070420081745.25752.486E61BD00013A1A000064982200737478CECFCFCD9C97019B0103@comcast.net> Message-ID: <486E7012.1020002@mayfco.com> Very nice catch! Interesting in that the 6062 description says flexplate yet mentions a 10.5 clutch. The 6063 says flywheel but also a 10.5 clutch. Now the 6065 also is a small block ford unit but mates to the tko, T5, TR3550 to lat emodel blocks. 6061 can mate a late model block to a C4 automatic which if you still had your 2.88 rear gears would be great! What a great site! mayf motoys2001 at comcast.net wrote: >You do not have to modify the tunnel with one of these: > >http://www.quicktimeinc.com/products.html > >Check out part #RM-6062 &RM-6063 > >Good Luck >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as drmayf at mayfco.com > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive From RSSmithIQ at cs.com Fri Jul 4 14:52:35 2008 From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:52:35 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Holley Question Message-ID: <486E8D93.1010504@cs.com> Ok, so I'm too lazy to do the research on my own, but everyone is so helpful, you make it too easy to ask...... I just installed an F4B and new Holley 0-1848-1 (465 cfm). The car idles very well and runs at all RPM's pretty strong. The only issue is when you hit the gas quickly. Then it stumbles. If you tickle it a bit, it picks right up and goes quickly and strongly up through the RPM's to redline. Sounds like an accelerator pump adjustment of some sort????? Timing and advance appears to be right on. Checked for vacuum leaks too, and everything looks OK. Any suggestions on tweaking the carb? Thanks- Randy -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ at cs.com Tiger- B382000189 From motoys2001 at comcast.net Fri Jul 4 15:21:52 2008 From: motoys2001 at comcast.net (motoys2001 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:21:52 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] 5 liter Ford racing motor/bellhousing Message-ID: <070420082121.27685.486E94700006710800006C252206424413CECFCFCD9C97019B0103@comcast.net> The 6062 is for the 5 bolt block. QuickTime Inc Performance Products can easily manufacture almost any combination you need. Only one's imagination (and pocketbook) will limit one's desire. Let's see... 1) 5 bolt SBF to: a) C4 b) Toploader or Jerico c) T10 d) T5 e) any of the TKOs f) any trans, auto or manual, made! 2) 6 bolt SBF to: a,b,c,d,e,f I love this country! From motoys2001 at comcast.net Fri Jul 4 15:27:34 2008 From: motoys2001 at comcast.net (motoys2001 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:27:34 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Holley Question Message-ID: <070420082127.1758.486E95C6000B5CDE000006DE2206424413CECFCFCD9C97019B0103@comcast.net> SECONDARIES! Here is the tech: http://www.bob2000.com/carb.htm Good luck! From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Fri Jul 4 19:41:09 2008 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 18:41:09 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Ken Miles car Message-ID: <001401c8de40$33373b30$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Does anyone know who now owns the former Beau Cheadle Alpine that Ken Miles installed a 260 w/ automatic for Ian Garrad in 1963? Buck Trippel From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Fri Jul 4 19:59:53 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 18:59:53 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Happy FOURTH In-Reply-To: <486E7012.1020002@mayfco.com> References: <070420081745.25752.486E61BD00013A1A000064982200737478CECFCFCD9C97019B0103@comcast.net> <486E7012.1020002@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <486ED599.3020504@SoCal.rr.com> A very joyous $th of July to all our U.S. Beamers, as well as those in GB (from whom we stole "God Save the Queen" music. ;-) A lot of good music and fireworks, and BBQ's to all. My amusing story. Every year, in July our marriage gift poodle would invariably be spooked and shaking. We would take him to the vet, and worry. Don't know what he did, as this was our first time we had a dog. After a few years we noticed that the shaking would seem to coincide with the 4th of July. It suddenly dawned on us that the FIREWORKS noises were spooking the dog, so we stopped taking him to the vet every 5th! :-D Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sat Jul 5 09:48:59 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 11:48:59 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Holley Question In-Reply-To: <486E8D93.1010504@cs.com> Message-ID: <000001c8deb6$a5ac3640$8ab11840@ronpc1> Randy Check the secondaries by taking the vacuum off and plugging it and run the car. Does it still stumble? If so the accelerator pump is the problem; if not the secondaries are coming in to quickly and you would need a spring kit to adjust that kick in point. accelerator pump adjustment Check to make sure you have a good shoot of fuel when you move the throttle; it is possible there is some dirt in the system or other problem with the pump. There should be a plastic cam for the pump on the throttle linkage that has 2 positions; put the cam in the position that gives you the most travel. Look at the rest of the pump linkage to make sure you are getting the most travel. There is a cam kit available; you may need to get a different cam to get more travel and thus more squirt volume. Check to see if you have a 50 cc accelerator pump. I'm not sure what the differences are. You should go to the Holley web site and check the standard configuration for that carb. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randy Smith Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 4:53 PM To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] Holley Question Ok, so I'm too lazy to do the research on my own, but everyone is so helpful, you make it too easy to ask...... I just installed an F4B and new Holley 0-1848-1 (465 cfm). The car idles very well and runs at all RPM's pretty strong. The only issue is when you hit the gas quickly. Then it stumbles. If you tickle it a bit, it picks right up and goes quickly and strongly up through the RPM's to redline. Sounds like an accelerator pump adjustment of some sort????? Timing and advance appears to be right on. Checked for vacuum leaks too, and everything looks OK. Any suggestions on tweaking the carb? Thanks- Randy -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ at cs.com Tiger- B382000189 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 7/3/2008 7:19 PM From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 11:21:50 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 18:21:50 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] clutch dowels Message-ID: <39a841b0807051021i18a0bc9bg90336f1b0fa16ad@mail.gmail.com> i was just fitting my lovely new centerforce 10" clutch to a new mcleod flywheel and noticed that the 3 dowel pins cannot be used with a 10" pressure plate. the old clutch was 10.5" and the dowels fit that and both pressure plates will bolt up using the same 6 bolt locations. is it ok not to use the dowels? the bolts fitted about as tight as the dowls in the old pressure plate so i'm not too concerned about alignment but i suppose they add shear strength too. - owain. From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 5 11:29:59 2008 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 10:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Panhard Rod Bushings (Dumb Question : Need Smart Answer) Message-ID: <506263.45946.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just installed Tom Hall's repair kit for the Panhard Rod bracket that is mounted to the chassis. A real slick kit and great instructions. I also bought new bushings from Sunbeam Specialties (4 of them). The Shop Manual isn't clear on one item that I failed to make note of. I assume that one (1) rubber bushing goes on each side of the brackets (the bracket on the chassis and the bracket welded to the rear axle housing). In other words, the bushings "sandwich" the brackes, rather than both going on either the outboard or inboard sides. Also, one side of each bushing is flat, which the other side has a small rubber "ridge" around the through hole. I'm thinking the side with the small ridge need to go against the brackets... nestling in the holes. Or, do I have it back-a%%wards? Thanks for your help. Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Sat Jul 5 13:21:23 2008 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 14:21:23 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Panhard Rod Bushings (Dumb Question : Need Smart Answer) In-Reply-To: <506263.45946.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <506263.45946.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000801c8ded4$503988c0$6f6cc44a@jerry> Bill, All your assumptions are correct. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Waite Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 12:30 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Panhard Rod Bushings (Dumb Question : Need Smart Answer) I just installed Tom Hall's repair kit for the Panhard Rod bracket that is mounted to the chassis. A real slick kit and great instructions. I also bought new bushings from Sunbeam Specialties (4 of them). The Shop Manual isn't clear on one item that I failed to make note of. I assume that one (1) rubber bushing goes on each side of the brackets (the bracket on the chassis and the bracket welded to the rear axle housing). In other words, the bushings "sandwich" the brackes, rather than both going on either the outboard or inboard sides. Also, one side of each bushing is flat, which the other side has a small rubber "ridge" around the through hole. I'm thinking the side with the small ridge need to go against the brackets... nestling in the holes. Or, do I have it back-a%%wards? Thanks for your help. Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI You are subscribed as jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From drmayf at mayfco.com Sat Jul 5 14:09:06 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 13:09:06 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of Panhard Bars... Message-ID: <486FD4E2.4020803@mayfco.com> Are there any other cars that use leaf springs like our cars and a panhard bar? The use of a panhard bar in our case is just counter intuitive to me. The leaf springs keep the rear end located and that would seem to make the panhard bar redundant. Yeah, I know about wheel hop, but a panhard bar or any other kind of lateral location linkage is to keep the rear centered. If I put coil overs on the rear of my car, then, yeah, a locating bar would be needed, as well as some trailing linkage for fore and aft movement. So why did they install it? Did the Alpine have one? . mayf From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Sat Jul 5 13:26:12 2008 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Duke Samouce) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 15:26:12 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Mike Michels ...what a great guy In-Reply-To: <000801c8ded4$503988c0$6f6cc44a@jerry> References: <506263.45946.qm@web82705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000801c8ded4$503988c0$6f6cc44a@jerry> Message-ID: <000001c8ded4$fd03b210$f70b1630$@rr.com> If you don't know Mike Michels, he is one of the Co-editors of the C.A.T. clubs news magazine "Tiger Tales". Mike was in Kansas City this weekend to visit family and he made time to drop by to say hi. Was great to meet him and some of his family. We stood around my Tiger this morning, that tried to make it to Big Bear but came up short this year, and had a great exchange of information and ideas. Best yet, he gave me a hat from TU XXXI and some other goodies that I really appreciate. I will be wearing that hat next Saturday when I show the car locally here again. Thanks Mike! Just a prime example of why I bought another Tiger after being away from them for 13 years. The owners are great. From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Sat Jul 5 13:34:45 2008 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Duke Samouce) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 15:34:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of Panhard Bars... In-Reply-To: <486FD4E2.4020803@mayfco.com> References: <486FD4E2.4020803@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <000001c8ded6$2e225a30$8a670e90$@rr.com> My car is running without traction bars or a panhard rod. Both of those devices seem to be fixes for the soft OEM springs. I have Dale's rear springs installed and they are great. I have no issues doing a burnout (other than not enough HP for a good long one) and having any wheel-hop. I have not encountered any wheel-hop with his springs yet. Once I have much more HP with a different engine, that may change. For a Tiger with a 260, HEHE transmission, 3.07 rear gears and a limited slip unit....the springs are perfect. My .02 Duke -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 4:09 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net; Alpines Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of Panhard Bars... Are there any other cars that use leaf springs like our cars and a panhard bar? The use of a panhard bar in our case is just counter intuitive to me. The leaf springs keep the rear end located and that would seem to make the panhard bar redundant. Yeah, I know about wheel hop, but a panhard bar or any other kind of lateral location linkage is to keep the rear centered. If I put coil overs on the rear of my car, then, yeah, a locating bar would be needed, as well as some trailing linkage for fore and aft movement. So why did they install it? Did the Alpine have one? . mayf You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 14:50:47 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 21:50:47 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of Panhard Bars... In-Reply-To: <39a841b0807051350o73a7adc9hf36240d903195f7b@mail.gmail.com> References: <486FD4E2.4020803@mayfco.com> <000001c8ded6$2e225a30$8a670e90$@rr.com> <39a841b0807051350o73a7adc9hf36240d903195f7b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0807051350m34fe661fva689a1b7b43e5b36@mail.gmail.com> i no longer get any wheel hop either. i also run very wide tires that would certainly foul something if they moved much and they do not. i have a beefy 302, mod tiger springs, koni anti-tramp shocks (in place of traction bars) and no panhard rod. with all the above and stock springs i was still getting tramp but no lateral movement. On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 8:34 PM, Duke Samouce wrote: > My car is running without traction bars or a panhard rod. Both of those > devices seem to be fixes for the soft OEM springs. I have Dale's rear > springs installed and they are great. I have no issues doing a burnout > (other than not enough HP for a good long one) and having any wheel-hop. I > have not encountered any wheel-hop with his springs yet. Once I have much > more HP with a different engine, that may change. For a Tiger with a 260, > HEHE transmission, 3.07 rear gears and a limited slip unit....the springs > are perfect. > > My .02 > > Duke > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > drmayf > Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 4:09 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net; Alpines > Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of Panhard Bars... > > Are there any other cars that use leaf springs like our cars and a > panhard bar? The use of a panhard bar in our case is just counter > intuitive to me. The leaf springs keep the rear end located and that > would seem to make the panhard bar redundant. Yeah, I know about wheel > hop, but a panhard bar or any other kind of lateral location linkage is > to keep the rear centered. If I put coil overs on the rear of my car, > then, yeah, a locating bar would be needed, as well as some trailing > linkage for fore and aft movement. > > So why did they install it? Did the Alpine have one? . > > mayf > You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From marcsmall at comcast.net Sat Jul 5 15:54:56 2008 From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:54:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of Panhard Bars... In-Reply-To: <486FD4E2.4020803@mayfco.com> References: <486FD4E2.4020803@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <20080705220338.8F46E187877@autox.team.net> At 04:09 PM 7/5/2008, drmayf wrote: >Are there any other cars that use leaf springs like our cars and a >panhard bar? The use of a panhard bar in our case is just counter >intuitive to me. The leaf springs keep the rear end located and that >would seem to make the panhard bar redundant. Yeah, I know about wheel >hop, but a panhard bar or any other kind of lateral location linkage is >to keep the rear centered. If I put coil overs on the rear of my car, >then, yeah, a locating bar would be needed, as well as some trailing >linkage for fore and aft movement. > >So why did they install it? Did the Alpine have one? . The much more civilized Alpine did not need a Panhard Rod to produce manueverability which, all else being equal, routinely leaves Tigers in the dust on any sort of decent back road. The original Tigers were produced by mushing up Alpine bodies and the only suspension modifications were those necessary to fit that ungainly Ford mill into a decently sized engine compartment. Hence, the rear suspension remained the same -- a torn rotator cuff (damn! there goes my career pitching for the Atlanta Braves, and I really WAS looking forward to a perfect World Series game against the detestable Yankees or the even more detestable Boston Dead Sox) makes it hard for me to dig out my parts manuals. I suspect without checking these that the Alpine IIIa/IV rear springs were identical to those on the Alpine 260 if not for those on the Alpine V and Tiger II. If you upgrade your rear springs to something more in line with that unGodly amount of power that barbaric engine provides, a Panhard Rod becomes unnecessary. (The above is all written in good fun save for the cmments about the Yankees and the Boston Morons, and, yes, I grin as I write these words. You guys all live on the Left Coast and therefore have no knowledge of REAL baseball.) Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From sralsten at ca.rr.com Sat Jul 5 16:50:03 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (Steve Ralsten) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 14:50:03 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers United 31 videos Message-ID: <000501c8def1$77d60b20$6601a8c0@DELL4600> Hello all... Enjoyed my first Tiger event greatly. Everyone I met was quite willing to share information with me. and I leaned a great deal. I came away from the weekend feeling like I had found a group of people I belong with. I may be a Tiger owner as soon as Monday. I used my little Cannon still camera a great deal and for the first time used it to record movie clips. I just opened an account with youtube and uploaded the one movie I made outside the hotel as well as the 12 partial autocross runs I recorded. Didn't really know who the car owners were or the drivers. If you recognize someone, or yourself let me know and I'll change the movie title appropriately. Go to youtube and search for Tigers United 31. You should find the 12 movies named Autocross 1-12 and the single movie named hotel. Some great sounding cars were running past me. Steve Ralsten From drmayf at mayfco.com Sat Jul 5 17:33:06 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 16:33:06 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of Panhard Bars... In-Reply-To: <486FD4E2.4020803@mayfco.com> References: <486FD4E2.4020803@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <487004B2.6050709@mayfco.com> What's baseball? And I certainly agreee with you on the steering part of an Alpine! While it looks odd, it at least works! Heck, maybe we can get a challenge race going, eh? Something like the gumball ralley but only for Alpines and Tigers? Say coast to coast on just back roads? Hey that might be fun! and thanks for the tongue in cheek comments, it's fun mayf Marc James Small wrote: > At 04:09 PM 7/5/2008, drmayf wrote: > >Are there any other cars that use leaf springs like our cars and a > >panhard bar? The use of a panhard bar in our case is just counter > >intuitive to me. The leaf springs keep the rear end located and that > >would seem to make the panhard bar redundant. Yeah, I know about wheel > >hop, but a panhard bar or any other kind of lateral location linkage is > >to keep the rear centered. If I put coil overs on the rear of my car, > >then, yeah, a locating bar would be needed, as well as some trailing > >linkage for fore and aft movement. > > > >So why did they install it? Did the Alpine have one? . > > > The much more civilized Alpine did not need a Panhard Rod to produce > manueverability which, all else being equal, routinely leaves Tigers > in the dust on any sort of decent back road. > > The original Tigers were produced by mushing up Alpine bodies and the > only suspension modifications were those necessary to fit that > ungainly Ford mill into a decently sized engine compartment. Hence, > the rear suspension remained the same -- a torn rotator cuff (damn! > there goes my career pitching for the Atlanta Braves, and I really WAS > looking forward to a perfect World Series game against the detestable > Yankees or the even more detestable Boston Dead Sox) makes it hard for > me to dig out my parts manuals. I suspect without checking these that > the Alpine IIIa/IV rear springs were identical to those on the Alpine > 260 if not for those on the Alpine V and Tiger II. > > If you upgrade your rear springs to something more in line with that > unGodly amount of power that barbaric engine provides, a Panhard Rod > becomes unnecessary. > > (The above is all written in good fun save for the cmments about the > Yankees and the Boston Morons, and, yes, I grin as I write these > words. You guys all live on the Left Coast and therefore have no > knowledge of REAL baseball.) > > Marc > > > msmall at aya.yale.edu > Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From MWood24020 at aol.com Sat Jul 5 18:20:09 2008 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 20:20:09 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tigers United 31 videos Message-ID: cool to see some familiar cars out on course...but, did you guys have a drag race with turnarounds or an autocross? ;-) Thanks for posting the video, Steve. In a message dated 7/5/2008 3:50:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sralsten at ca.rr.com writes: Hello all... Enjoyed my first Tiger event greatly. Everyone I met was quite willing to share information with me. and I leaned a great deal. I came away from the weekend feeling like I had found a group of people I belong with. I may be a Tiger owner as soon as Monday. I used my little Cannon still camera a great deal and for the first time used it to record movie clips. I just opened an account with youtube and uploaded the one movie I made outside the hotel as well as the 12 partial autocross runs I recorded. Didn't really know who the car owners were or the drivers. If you recognize someone, or yourself let me know and I'll change the movie title appropriately. Go to youtube and search for Tigers United 31. You should find the 12 movies named Autocross 1-12 and the single movie named hotel. Some great sounding cars were running past me. Steve Ralsten You are subscribed as mwood24020 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From achd73 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 5 18:53:39 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 17:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of Panhard Bars... In-Reply-To: <20080705220338.8F46E187877@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <491284.64551.qm@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tigers must not ned panhard rods. Why else do they continue to self destruct by ripping the welds and or frame from itself? TtT --- On Sat, 7/5/08, Marc James Small wrote: > From: Marc James Small > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speaking of Panhard Bars... > To: drmayf at mayfco.com, "tigers at autox.team.net" , "Alpines" > Date: Saturday, July 5, 2008, 4:54 PM > At 04:09 PM 7/5/2008, drmayf wrote: > >Are there any other cars that use leaf springs like > our cars and a > >panhard bar? The use of a panhard bar in our case is > just counter > >intuitive to me. The leaf springs keep the rear end > located and that > >would seem to make the panhard bar redundant. Yeah, I > know about wheel > >hop, but a panhard bar or any other kind of lateral > location linkage is > >to keep the rear centered. If I put coil overs on the > rear of my car, > >then, yeah, a locating bar would be needed, as well as > some trailing > >linkage for fore and aft movement. > > > >So why did they install it? Did the Alpine have one? . > > > The much more civilized Alpine did not need a > Panhard Rod to produce manueverability which, all > else being equal, routinely leaves Tigers in the > dust on any sort of decent back road. > > The original Tigers were produced by mushing up > Alpine bodies and the only suspension > modifications were those necessary to fit that > ungainly Ford mill into a decently sized engine > compartment. Hence, the rear suspension remained > the same -- a torn rotator cuff (damn! there > goes my career pitching for the Atlanta Braves, > and I really WAS looking forward to a perfect > World Series game against the detestable Yankees > or the even more detestable Boston Dead Sox) > makes it hard for me to dig out my parts > manuals. I suspect without checking these that > the Alpine IIIa/IV rear springs were identical to > those on the Alpine 260 if not for those on the Alpine V > and Tiger II. > > If you upgrade your rear springs to something > more in line with that unGodly amount of power > that barbaric engine provides, a Panhard Rod becomes > unnecessary. > > (The above is all written in good fun save for > the cmments about the Yankees and the Boston > Morons, and, yes, I grin as I write these > words. You guys all live on the Left Coast and > therefore have no knowledge of REAL baseball.) > > Marc > > > msmall at aya.yale.edu > Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as achd73 at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From mrlau at charter.net Sat Jul 5 19:17:29 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 20:17:29 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of Panhard Bars.. Message-ID: <20080706011835.UZUN3194.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> They have baseball on the left coast???????? - Bill -- (The above is all written in good fun save for the cmments about the Yankees and the Boston Morons, and, yes, I grin as I write these words. You guys all live on the Left Coast and therefore have no knowledge of REAL baseball.) Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sat Jul 5 19:29:12 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 11:29:12 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of Panhard Bars.. In-Reply-To: <20080706011835.UZUN3194.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> References: <20080706011835.UZUN3194.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: As mentioned the panhard rod os for lateral location and would not help with axel tramp. I have a SII alpine and a MKIA tiger. The Tiger has dales springs 3.07 LSD and a 340hp 302 ford crate motor, if i use more than 2500 rpm at the start it lighst up for a moment.. then violent tramp.. so i'll be installing traction bars. The alpine can also tramp (its warmed a bit ;-) ) but to the point, the alpines axel has a habit of hoping sideways if you hit a bump mid corner. This was noted in many of the road test, now its more noticeable with the early cars with lever shocks, but its still evident in later cars. I assume they put the panhard rod on the tiger fearing a car with more power having that issue may lead to some nasty accidents.. and there must be some sideways axel movement or the brackets would not be tearing/cracking. -- Regards Michael King From TIGEROOTES at aol.com Sat Jul 5 21:24:25 2008 From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 23:24:25 EDT Subject: [Tigers] [Alpines] Speaking of Panhard Bars... Message-ID: marcsmall at comcast.net writes: > Hence, the rear suspension remained the same -- Geez, except ................. the Works added one leaf to the rear stack of the Tiger (just like the Hillman Minx suspension V the Sunbeam Rapier) and then balanced it using stiffer front springs... so, it was not the same, nor was either car ultimately developed properly by the Works. Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net Sat Jul 5 22:14:18 2008 From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 21:14:18 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] russo steele tiger listing In-Reply-To: <000301c8dc3b$82604eb0$8720ec10$@rr.com> References: <000301c8dc3b$82604eb0$8720ec10$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4870469A.4060804@cox.net> Duke: Now I'm even sorrier I didn't get to see your car at United! A set of those was on my Tiger when I bought it (still have the wheels, tho the car is gone). They're very light--I believe they were a magnesium/aluminum combination (magnalume??). Or perhaps they were all magnesium. One of the wheels had a crack and I couldn't find anyone who'd weld it ("Magnesium?!? Sorry, gotta go. I think I hear my mother calling!!") :-) And yes, I do know what happens if magnesium ignites. :-( They look good on your car! Best Regards David Sosna P.S. Surprised to find out there's at least 2 other Tigers with those wheels. P.P.S. I believe that's the same JAP that built the engines on the Morgan 3-wheelers. Anybody know for sure? Duke Samouce wrote: > Those are JAP (J.A. Pierce) wheels out of the UK. I have a set on my Tiger > with spinners instead of the center caps. Mine are dated 1968. > > Duke From drmayf at mayfco.com Sat Jul 5 23:06:37 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:06:37 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of Panhard Bars.. In-Reply-To: References: <20080706011835.UZUN3194.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: <487052DD.90009@mayfco.com> michael king wrote: >As mentioned the panhard rod os for lateral location and would not help with >axel tramp. I have a SII alpine and a MKIA tiger. The Tiger has dales >springs 3.07 LSD and a 340hp 302 ford crate motor, if i use more than 2500 >rpm at the start it lighst up for a moment.. then violent tramp.. so i'll be >installing traction bars. > >The alpine can also tramp (its warmed a bit ;-) ) but to the point, the >alpines axel has a habit of hoping sideways if you hit a bump mid corner. >This was noted in many of the road test, now its more noticeable with the >early cars with lever shocks, but its still evident in later cars. > >I assume they put the panhard rod on the tiger fearing a car with more power >having that issue may lead to some nasty accidents.. and there must be some >sideways axel movement or the brackets would not be tearing/cracking. > > > > > Your last paragraph is telling indeed. If the leaf springs keep the rear axle in line then movement up and down causes the rod to push into and out of the frame mounted bracket. That's what causes the flex and subsequent failure. And because it is a badly located rod, it should actually be horizontal in its attachments, then the off angle exacerbates the problem of flex. Every little bump and it's rebound... mayf From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Sun Jul 6 05:40:51 2008 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Duke Samouce) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 07:40:51 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] russo steele tiger listing In-Reply-To: <4870469A.4060804@cox.net> References: <000301c8dc3b$82604eb0$8720ec10$@rr.com> <4870469A.4060804@cox.net> Message-ID: <001001c8df5d$24acb4f0$6e061ed0$@rr.com> Thanks for more info on these very odd wheels. As a military helicopter pilot, I know all about magnesium and high temps. It was funny when I bought the car. I had severe wheel vibration above 50 mph. I checked and all of the wheels did not have a single balancing weight on them. I had all four balanced (they are very light) and the car drives like a dream now. It was another indicator that the car had indeed not been on the road since 1972. I have also found out that the 13" BF Goodrich TA Radials on the car are no longer made in any size. Duke -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Sosna Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 12:14 AM Cc: 'Tigers' Subject: Re: [Tigers] russo steele tiger listing Duke: Now I'm even sorrier I didn't get to see your car at United! A set of those was on my Tiger when I bought it (still have the wheels, tho the car is gone). They're very light--I believe they were a magnesium/aluminum combination (magnalume??). Or perhaps they were all magnesium. One of the wheels had a crack and I couldn't find anyone who'd weld it ("Magnesium?!? Sorry, gotta go. I think I hear my mother calling!!") :-) And yes, I do know what happens if magnesium ignites. :-( They look good on your car! Best Regards David Sosna P.S. Surprised to find out there's at least 2 other Tigers with those wheels. P.P.S. I believe that's the same JAP that built the engines on the Morgan 3-wheelers. Anybody know for sure? Duke Samouce wrote: > Those are JAP (J.A. Pierce) wheels out of the UK. I have a set on my Tiger > with spinners instead of the center caps. Mine are dated 1968. > > Duke You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From wseay at embarqmail.com Sun Jul 6 07:45:32 2008 From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 09:45:32 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of Panhard Bars... References: <486FD4E2.4020803@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <0F8707D1C38E461D9C5C8AF15B2FFF8F@xpseay> mayf, I think the idea behind the Panhard rod is to keep the rear end and axle from rotating on torque reaction. When lots of torque is transmitted to the rear end, it tends to rotate (in the axis along the drive shaft). This results in applying more pressure to one spring and less to the other. Not a good thing. The Panhard rod is supposed to keep this from happening. When the rear end tries to rotate, the Panhard rod is supposed to go into tension (or is it compression?) to keep the rear end from rotating. Our Limey friends, when they put a Panhard rod in the Tiger, assumed that the Ford engine rotated in the same direction that British engines do. Well it doesn't. As a result, MK1 and MK1A Tigers have the Panhard rod attached to the wrong side of the car. Maybe it has something to do with driving on the wrong side of the road or something like that. I guess the arrangement would be correct for an Alpine, if they put a Panhard rod on the Alpine. Anyhow, in a MK1/1A the Panhard rod pushes when it should pull. Maybe that's why they like to tear out, but I doubt it. This was corrected in the MKII. - Will B382001570 ____________________________ Will Seay wseay at embarqmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "drmayf" To: ; "Alpines" Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of Panhard Bars... Are there any other cars that use leaf springs like our cars and a panhard bar? The use of a panhard bar in our case is just counter intuitive to me. The leaf springs keep the rear end located and that would seem to make the panhard bar redundant. Yeah, I know about wheel hop, but a panhard bar or any other kind of lateral location linkage is to keep the rear centered. If I put coil overs on the rear of my car, then, yeah, a locating bar would be needed, as well as some trailing linkage for fore and aft movement. So why did they install it? Did the Alpine have one? . mayf You are subscribed as wseay at embarqmail.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From PhastPhill at aol.com Sun Jul 6 08:08:21 2008 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 10:08:21 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of Panhard Bars... Message-ID: They pull out of the MKIIs as well. Mine is long gone. From mrlau at charter.net Sun Jul 6 10:41:54 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 11:41:54 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Speaking of Panhard Bars... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080706164300.VUWK3533.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> My MKII never got the message either. It pulled loose but it was auto crossed extensively and that is where it gets the most abuse on the panhard rod. Early Mustangs didn't have panhard rods or traction bars and a stock one would wrap the axel to cause tramp. If not corrected over a period of time the wrapping of the axel would allow the splined shaft to come out of the transmission and the drive shaft would wind up on the ground. All that was necessary to fix it was more spring leaves or traction bars. Stock Mustangs were never made to go around corners though and they didn't. Late in 65 a bigger anti-sway bar was added along with stouter springs in the G.T. models and it was quite an improvement. I know that G.T. 350's had a wire to keep the rear end in order when airborne but don't know if they had a panhard rod and since I am not very familiar with them, I will defer to others on the site that will know. I do know however that they were very competitive with whatever they had. I don't think the panhard rod on a Tiger is very necessary unless it is being driven around corners aggressively and I'm not really convinced it works correctly then as others have stated. -- Bill -- Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speaking of Panhard Bars... They pull out of the MKIIs as well. Mine is long gone. _______________________________________________ From DJoh797014 at aol.com Sun Jul 6 11:12:26 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 13:12:26 EDT Subject: [Tigers] russo steele tiger listing Message-ID: I had a set that the PO out on the car in the 60's. They were made in the UK by JAP and are magnesium aluminum (back of the wheel has 'MAGNA' cast in them. These wheels had the perfect offset and width for a Tiger. and when racing were preferred over the 2 piece racing wheels of the day. I sold them to Uncle Wally who used them on his autox Alpine and used the money to buy my LAT 9's. Look at the picture of Tiger Tom's Tiger towing a Tiger. in Taylor's 'Making of a Tiger', and you'll seeing two more sets. While not exactly concurs correct. Those who know understand what they are seeing. Replacement are made of unobtainium. In a message dated 7/5/2008 11:18:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net writes: Duke: Now I'm even sorrier I didn't get to see your car at United! A set of those was on my Tiger when I bought it (still have the wheels, tho the car is gone). They're very light--I believe they were a magnesium/aluminum combination (magnalume??). Or perhaps they were all magnesium. One of the wheels had a crack and I couldn't find anyone who'd weld it ("Magnesium?!? Sorry, gotta go. I think I hear my mother calling!!") :-) And yes, I do know what happens if magnesium ignites. :-( They look good on your car! Best Regards David Sosna P.S. Surprised to find out there's at least 2 other Tigers with those wheels. P.P.S. I believe that's the same JAP that built the engines on the Morgan 3-wheelers. Anybody know for sure? Duke Samouce wrote: > Those are JAP (J.A. Pierce) wheels out of the UK. I have a set on my Tiger > with spinners instead of the center caps. Mine are dated 1968. > > Duke You are subscribed as djoh797014 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From DJoh797014 at aol.com Sun Jul 6 11:20:37 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 13:20:37 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Breaking News - Patton wins again Message-ID: This moring, Tom Patton won the GT2 class at O'Reilly Raceaway Parrk (nee Indianapolis Raceaway Park). He gridded 5 and finished 4 behind the GT-1 Vettes. Tom was far enough ahead of the GT-2 Porsche and Toyota to recover from a spin late in the race and still win his class. Tom said 'Sure did wake up the corner workers. They were diving for cover every which way!'. A great host, any Tiger enthusiast is always welcome. His next race will be Aug 8-10 weekend near Grand Rapids, MI. Dave Johnson **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) From motoys2001 at comcast.net Sun Jul 6 11:49:27 2008 From: motoys2001 at comcast.net (motoys2001 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:49:27 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Breaking News - Patton wins again Message-ID: <070620081749.10644.487105A700050AC1000029942205886442CECFCFCD9C97019B0103@comcast.net> Congratulations Tom! It's so nice to see a 40+ year old privately campaigned out of production car beat the snott out of the current factory stuff. From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Sun Jul 6 11:51:44 2008 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 12:51:44 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers United XXXI Message-ID: <002901c8df90$f47f0970$6f6cc44a@jerry> Listers: Well, I had a great time at TU31. While I have been to several TU events, this was the first time I participated out West with my car. I finished my seven-year restoration eight years ago and have entered in many car shows, but to enter with the "California Boys" was something I have always wanted to do. Like the famous Get Smart statement goes - "missed it by that much." I received the second place personalized award with a score of 98.5 - first place winner Ed Foster received 99 points - so, was beaten out of first place by a half a point! Originally, both cars received 99 points - I was amazed!! I think he has won first place for the last twenty years or so. Ha. I really don't mind losing to a car as beautiful as his. Also, I want to thank everyone who bought some of my "stuff" I brought to the swap meet. The purpose was to help defray the cost of gas to get there - 3,200 miles round trip at 9.9mpg in our Ford F150 with enclosed trailer. OUCH!! 24hrs driving each way. My wife says she will fly, and I can drive next time. Ha. That was the first time I have ever participated in a rally - what a kick. I am looking forward to another. For those of you who haven't participated in one of these, be sure to do it when you get a chance. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 From motoys2001 at comcast.net Sun Jul 6 11:52:34 2008 From: motoys2001 at comcast.net (motoys2001 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 17:52:34 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] How about a Watts Link Message-ID: <070620081752.10473.4871066200095A48000028E92206824693CECFCFCD9C97019B0103@comcast.net> How about a bolt in watts link for our Tigers, something in the order of this: http://www.fays2.net/fays2_watts_link_22_.html From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 6 12:57:41 2008 From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 19:57:41 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] calling David Butler Message-ID: <8YFS3vClWRcIFwsp@v8tiger.demon.co.uk> Hi, is David on the list or does anyone have his phone number, I have one for 714 area code but the number does not work. I'm trying to get to speak to him. Many thanks Jeff -- Jeff Howarth From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Sun Jul 6 12:59:08 2008 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 11:59:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] How about a Watts Link References: <070620081752.10473.4871066200095A48000028E92206824693CECFCFCD9C97019B0103@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001401c8df9a$5f1a83f0$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Perhaps the biggest problem fitting a Watts link into a tiger is the lack of space between the rear cover and the spare tire well. This is complicated by the fact that the stock parking brake cable occupies much of what little space that's there. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 10:52 AM Subject: [Tigers] How about a Watts Link > How about a bolt in watts link for our Tigers, something in the order of > this: > > http://www.fays2.net/fays2_watts_link_22_.html > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bucktrippel at verizon.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Sun Jul 6 13:01:55 2008 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 12:01:55 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: How about a Watts Link Message-ID: <001901c8df9a$c285b7c0$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Perhaps the biggest problem fitting a Watts link into a Tiger is the lack of space between the rear cover and the spare tire well. This is complicated by the fact that the stock parking brake cable occupies much of the little space that's there. Buck Trippel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 10:52 AM > Subject: [Tigers] How about a Watts Link > > >> How about a bolt in watts link for our Tigers, something in the order of >> this: >> >> http://www.fays2.net/fays2_watts_link_22_.html >> _______________________________________________ From motoys2001 at comcast.net Sun Jul 6 15:42:38 2008 From: motoys2001 at comcast.net (motoys2001 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:42:38 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] How about a Watts Link Message-ID: <070620082142.16533.48713C4E0005DC06000040952200750784CECFCFCD9C97019B0103@comcast.net> No, there is not a whole heck of a lot of room back there, but one solution would be to mount the fulcrum to a cradle which was attached to the third member cover bolts (hence not permanent) and the radius rods properly attached to the frame. Griggs has a solution for the tiger, even though this is for a modified coilover system. http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/7/web/3031000-3031999/3031557_5.jpg Here is the idea: http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:JUHppolakpTWKM:http://www.griggsracing.com/images/GR40WattsBig.jpg Another solution would be to utilize the spare tire well as the fulcrum (probable irreversible modification) and attach the radius rods to the axle tubes. http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:FAiQpJ8m-IriAM:http://www.fays2.net/images/watts%2520front%2520view%2520500.jpg Other images: http://www.performatek.com/Alfa/Suspension/Watts%20Link%20.jpg http://www.maecomotorsport.com/images/HotRodPg4-5.jpg http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/7/web/703000-703999/703052_61.jpg http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/7/web/703000-703999/703052_62.jpg http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/7/web/703000-703999/703052_63.jpg I believe Steven Waybright has a very nice watts setup on his car. From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun Jul 6 17:15:29 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:15:29 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] russo steele tiger listing In-Reply-To: <001001c8df5d$24acb4f0$6e061ed0$@rr.com> References: <000301c8dc3b$82604eb0$8720ec10$@rr.com> <4870469A.4060804@cox.net> <001001c8df5d$24acb4f0$6e061ed0$@rr.com> Message-ID: On 06/07/2008, Duke Samouce wrote: > > I have also found out that the 13" BF Goodrich TA > Radials on the car are no longer made in any size. Will try and remember which mag it was in, but was a classic mag from the last 2 months.. there are specialist tyre suppliers who have new BF Goodrich TA Radials with the white letters and all.. the add was saying how you could finally again get this iconic muscle car tyre.... i noticed the speed rating was not very high though. -- > Regards > > Michael King From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Sun Jul 6 17:19:48 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 00:19:48 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] How about a Watts Link In-Reply-To: <070620082142.16533.48713C4E0005DC06000040952200750784CECFCFCD9C97019B0103@comcast.net> References: <070620082142.16533.48713C4E0005DC06000040952200750784CECFCFCD9C97019B0103@comcast.net> Message-ID: <39a841b0807061619g338b44fdy364200e425b4d19d@mail.gmail.com> http://www.sunbeamsupreme.co.uk/ sells a watts linkage for the tiger. very nice piece. it costs about $800. if anyone really wants one they can ship it to me in the uk and i'll bring it over in my empty suitcase next time i'm in the US. the suitcase usually goes back full of bits from summit :) On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 10:42 PM, wrote: > No, there is not a whole heck of a lot of room back there, but one solution would be to mount the fulcrum to a cradle which was attached to the third member cover bolts (hence not permanent) and the radius rods properly attached to the frame. Griggs has a solution for the tiger, even though this is for a modified coilover system. > http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/7/web/3031000-3031999/3031557_5.jpg > > Here is the idea: > http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:JUHppolakpTWKM:http://www.griggsracing.com/images/GR40WattsBig.jpg > > Another solution would be to utilize the spare tire well as the fulcrum (probable irreversible modification) and attach the radius rods to the axle tubes. > http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:FAiQpJ8m-IriAM:http://www.fays2.net/images/watts%2520front%2520view%2520500.jpg > > Other images: > > http://www.performatek.com/Alfa/Suspension/Watts%20Link%20.jpg > http://www.maecomotorsport.com/images/HotRodPg4-5.jpg > http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/7/web/703000-703999/703052_61.jpg > http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/7/web/703000-703999/703052_62.jpg > http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/7/web/703000-703999/703052_63.jpg > > I believe Steven Waybright has a very nice watts setup on his car. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 6 17:19:26 2008 From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 00:19:26 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] calling David Butler FOUND In-Reply-To: <8YFS3vClWRcIFwsp@v8tiger.demon.co.uk> References: <8YFS3vClWRcIFwsp@v8tiger.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: Thanks Buck Trippel for the quick response. regards Jeff writes >Hi, > >is David on the list or does anyone have his phone number, I have one >for 714 area code but the number does not work. > >I'm trying to get to speak to him. > >Many thanks > >Jeff > -- Jeff Howarth From gswaybright at yahoo.com Sun Jul 6 17:39:10 2008 From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 16:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] How about a Watts Link In-Reply-To: <070620082142.16533.48713C4E0005DC06000040952200750784CECFCFCD9C97019B0103@comcast.net> Message-ID: <56091.91155.qm@web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If anyone wants more pics of the Griggs setup, I can take some pics while the car is on the lift. In the mean time, the link below is a shot of the axle and all the Griggs Racing rear suspension linkages for the Tiger coil-over setup (trailing arms, torque arm and Watts link) when it was first being fitted during my car's restoration. http://people.consolidated.net/gswaybright/images/cars/Tiger/Griggs%20Susp.jpg BTW - Bruce Griggs will not do these any more since he's keeping plenty busy with the Mustang business... Tiger one-offs are not worth his time any more. (if you want to pay what it would take to get him to fab another set... you should just buy my car instead. ;) Stephen Waybright --- On Sun, 7/6/08, motoys2001 at comcast.net wrote: > From: motoys2001 at comcast.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] How about a Watts Link > To: "Buck Trippel" , DJoh797014 at aol.com, sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 5:42 PM > No, there is not a whole heck of a lot of room back there, > but one solution would be to mount the fulcrum to a cradle > which was attached to the third member cover bolts (hence > not permanent) and the radius rods properly attached to the > frame. Griggs has a solution for the tiger, even though this > is for a modified coilover system. > http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/7/web/3031000-3031999/3031557_5.jpg From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 6 17:54:04 2008 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 16:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Panhard bars and more Message-ID: <74738.81563.qm@web81503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> "know that G.T. 350's had a wire to keep the rear end in order when airborne but don't know if they had a panhard rod and since I am not very familiar with them, I will defer to others on the site that will know." The 1965 Shelby Mustang GT 350 had both a wire loop around the axel to limit up - down travel plus traction bars mounted above the leaf spring. A slot was cut in the sheet metal where the rear seat sets and a bracket was welded above the front spring eye inside the car. The traction master bar ran from the bracket to the rear axel. A rubber flap was put over the slot to keep out water and dirt out of the interior. This allowed the traction master bar to move in the same plane as the axel avoiding the problem Tigers have when the traction bars are mounted below the springs and axel. Instead of a rear seat, 1965 Shelby mustangs have a fiberglass panel with the spare tire mounted on it.. The later Shelby Mustangs dropped the tracton master bars, wire loop, rear panel and mounted the rear shocks on opposite sides of the axel to control wheel hop. It was probably cheaper this way plus the car was more useable with a rear seat. Jeff From tsmit at shaw.ca Sun Jul 6 18:28:40 2008 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:28:40 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] russo steele tiger listing In-Reply-To: References: <000301c8dc3b$82604eb0$8720ec10$@rr.com> <4870469A.4060804@cox.net> <001001c8df5d$24acb4f0$6e061ed0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <48716338.308@shaw.ca> michael king wrote: > On 06/07/2008, Duke Samouce wrote: > >> I have also found out that the 13" BF Goodrich TA >> Radials on the car are no longer made in any size. >> > > > Will try and remember which mag it was in, but was a classic mag from the > last 2 months.. there are specialist tyre suppliers who have new BF > Goodrich TA Radials with the white letters and all.. the add was saying how > you could finally again get this iconic muscle car tyre.... i noticed the > speed rating was not very high though. > > > BFG TA Radials are a bling tire, and they always were. On the other hand, you can buy true performance tires by Toyo, Yokohama, and others, in useful 13" sizes. Get some of those and just make sure you wear them out before the good stuff evaporates out of the rubber. If you consider that Tigers appear to be worth at least 30k in the marketplace these days, it's worthwhile to invest in quality tires that may keep you out of a tough spot by virtue of their traction. Theo From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Sun Jul 6 17:42:42 2008 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Duke Samouce) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 19:42:42 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] russo steele tiger listing In-Reply-To: <48716338.308@shaw.ca> References: <000301c8dc3b$82604eb0$8720ec10$@rr.com> <4870469A.4060804@cox.net> <001001c8df5d$24acb4f0$6e061ed0$@rr.com> <48716338.308@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <000301c8dfc1$fc382800$f4a87800$@rr.com> Thanks Theo, I fully intend on going with modern sticky rubber when these relic TA Radials wear out. The rear tire are too wide anyway. I mention that they were not available too further my point that this car has been in "restoration" for a long time. I also checked the JAP wheels and could only find "Made in England" cast on the inside. No "Magn" could be found on the one wheel on pulled. Duke -----Original Message----- From: Theo Smit [mailto:tsmit at shaw.ca] Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 8:29 PM To: michael king Cc: Duke Samouce; Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] russo steele tiger listing michael king wrote: > On 06/07/2008, Duke Samouce wrote: > >> I have also found out that the 13" BF Goodrich TA >> Radials on the car are no longer made in any size. >> > > > Will try and remember which mag it was in, but was a classic mag from the > last 2 months.. there are specialist tyre suppliers who have new BF > Goodrich TA Radials with the white letters and all.. the add was saying how > you could finally again get this iconic muscle car tyre.... i noticed the > speed rating was not very high though. > > > BFG TA Radials are a bling tire, and they always were. On the other hand, you can buy true performance tires by Toyo, Yokohama, and others, in useful 13" sizes. Get some of those and just make sure you wear them out before the good stuff evaporates out of the rubber. If you consider that Tigers appear to be worth at least 30k in the marketplace these days, it's worthwhile to invest in quality tires that may keep you out of a tough spot by virtue of their traction. Theo From tsmit at shaw.ca Sun Jul 6 20:06:13 2008 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 20:06:13 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] russo steele tiger listing In-Reply-To: <000301c8dfc1$fc382800$f4a87800$@rr.com> References: <000301c8dc3b$82604eb0$8720ec10$@rr.com> <4870469A.4060804@cox.net> <001001c8df5d$24acb4f0$6e061ed0$@rr.com> <48716338.308@shaw.ca> <000301c8dfc1$fc382800$f4a87800$@rr.com> Message-ID: <48717A15.6090001@shaw.ca> My local tire dealer (KAL tire, FYI) recommends that tires be replaced every five or six years at the outside, because the rubber ages beyond it's useful life in that time. The timeline for performance tires (or winter-only tires) is shorter than that. You might find that your TA's are impossible to wear out but also that they have little traction. If anyone is looking for period correct tires (although they don't have the Dunlop RS5) then Coker Tire has a couple of offerings. They have TA's but not in 13". https://store.coker.com/search.php?tire_model=Tiger&tire_year=1966&tire_make=SUNBEAM Cheers, Theo Duke Samouce wrote: > Thanks Theo, > > I fully intend on going with modern sticky rubber when these relic TA > Radials wear out. From itswonderful at comcast.net Sun Jul 6 20:08:00 2008 From: itswonderful at comcast.net (Frank P. Marrone) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 19:08:00 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Free 260CID long block Message-ID: <003001c8dfd6$488facf0$0801a8c0@FPMengineering> OK, I know this is a long shot but I have a 260 CID long block free to anyone who is willing to come and get it. I removed this from a Sunbeam Tiger about 15 years ago. This includes 2BBL intake, front cover, valve covers, exhaust manifolds (not the correct Tiger ones) and oil pan (not correct for Tiger). As far as I know the only Tiger specific item left on this assembly are the chrome valve covers with the Rootes engine stickers. These are in poor shape. This engine ran in '93 although is smoked badly. No shipping or long time storage. I might be willing to deliver in Sonoma County CA. only. I figured this was worth a shot before I take it to the scrap yard. Frank in Cloverdale, CA. From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Sun Jul 6 20:09:30 2008 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 21:09:30 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Get Smart Message-ID: I finally got to see the movie last night. It was sold out last weekend. I was rolling on the floor laughing several times. As far as the Tiger is concerned, I thought it faired rather well -nicely displayed in a museum. Sure it quit working in a later scene - after is was crashed through a doorway and bounced down stairs. Not many cars would survive that kind of treatment. Definitely sounded like a 4-banger, however. The exposure certainly shouldn't be a negative impact on the value of our toys. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From mrlau at charter.net Sun Jul 6 21:06:34 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 22:06:34 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Get Smart In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080707030749.DNDH3194.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> I think our Tigers are self appreciating anyway because no one is knocking down any doors to get a Buick Opel or Karman Ghia. My spell check doesn't even know how to spell their names. -- Bill -- I finally got to see the movie last night. It was sold out last weekend. I was rolling on the floor laughing several times. As far as the Tiger is concerned, I thought it faired rather well -nicely displayed in a museum. Sure it quit working in a later scene - after is was crashed through a doorway and bounced down stairs. Not many cars would survive that kind of treatment. Definitely sounded like a 4-banger, however. The exposure certainly shouldn't be a negative impact on the value of our toys. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ From jteepen at usatoday.com Sun Jul 6 22:01:55 2008 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 00:01:55 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Get Smart In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9FF002B4A98E0F4FB752C81A06F004E97231426325@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> On the weekend before the premier of the Get Smart movie, Bill Graf received a call from the Speedzone in Industry, CA. inviting Toger owners to show their cars at the park as part of a promotion for the movie. In all, we had approximately eleven Tigers attend. Also in attendance was the movie "Tiger". True to the original TV series (for most scenes), the car is a re-badged Alpine. The person attending to the car was only vaguely aware of anything regarding the car, but was polite enough to let us check it out. Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James E. Pickard Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 7:10 PM To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] Get Smart I finally got to see the movie last night. It was sold out last weekend. I was rolling on the floor laughing several times. As far as the Tiger is concerned, I thought it faired rather well -nicely displayed in a museum. Sure it quit working in a later scene - after is was crashed through a doorway and bounced down stairs. Not many cars would survive that kind of treatment. Definitely sounded like a 4-banger, however. The exposure certainly shouldn't be a negative impact on the value of our toys. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 07:24:23 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 14:24:23 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] 1980 subaru master cylinder Message-ID: <39a841b0807070624g5b4bf0cbj415fa4482c4a6bdc@mail.gmail.com> if anyone knows where i can get the 1980 subaru master (new, with reservoirs, not reconditioned) i would very grateful. i have ordered 3 recently and subsequently had my ordered canceled due to lack of availability. its the same part for all 1980 subarus (1600, 1800, brat). thanks. From motoys2001 at comcast.net Mon Jul 7 07:57:48 2008 From: motoys2001 at comcast.net (motoys2001 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:57:48 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] How about a Watts Link Message-ID: <070720081357.28023.487220DC000A427A00006D772206424413CECFCFCD9C97019B0103@comcast.net> Hey Owain, If you can find any pictures of this watts link, will you post them please? Henry V From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 08:00:40 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 15:00:40 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] How about a Watts Link In-Reply-To: <070720081357.28023.487220DC000A427A00006D772206424413CECFCFCD9C97019B0103@comcast.net> References: <070720081357.28023.487220DC000A427A00006D772206424413CECFCFCD9C97019B0103@comcast.net> Message-ID: <39a841b0807070700v39373eabn9b6186cb0105fa24@mail.gmail.com> sorry i don't. i saw one in person once and about 6 months ago someone was selling one of these on ebay with pictures. you could try emailing sunbeamsupreme if you'd like to see it. On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 2:57 PM, wrote: > Hey Owain, > > If you can find any pictures of this watts link, will you post them please? > > Henry V From sganz at pacbell.net Mon Jul 7 10:24:37 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] How about a Watts Link Message-ID: <499101.62790.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have the picture of it, I will have to dig it up. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Owain Lloyd To: motoys2001 at comcast.net Cc: DJoh797014 at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 7:00:40 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] How about a Watts Link sorry i don't. i saw one in person once and about 6 months ago someone was selling one of these on ebay with pictures. you could try emailing sunbeamsupreme if you'd like to see it. On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 2:57 PM, wrote: > Hey Owain, > > If you can find any pictures of this watts link, will you post them please? > > Henry V _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From sganz at pacbell.net Mon Jul 7 22:10:41 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] How about a Watts Link Message-ID: <427333.69085.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I put up the Watts linkage on my site and one of the other from Curtis (thanks). http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/Tiger.html The top one is the one that was on ebay. HTH Sandy From sganz at pacbell.net Mon Jul 7 22:41:47 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Uniter 31 Photos Message-ID: <150785.93839.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Look at the post here for the Flickr Images of Tiger United 31. A bunch of great pictures of the Autocross event. You can supersize them and download as needed. http://gtsparkplugs.com/blog/2008/06/25/tigers-united/ Enjoy Sandy From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net Mon Jul 7 23:14:49 2008 From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna) Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:14:49 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] How about a Watts Link In-Reply-To: <427333.69085.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <427333.69085.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4872F7C9.8020603@cox.net> Sandy: That looks like a really nice chunk of aluminum (your engine, that is) :-) Be interesting to know how the 'dressed' weight compares to the 'dressed' weight of the cast-iron block and heads of the 260. Great pix! Best Regards David Sosna Sandy Ganz wrote: > I put up the Watts linkage on my site and one of the other from Curtis (thanks). > http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/Tiger.html > The top one is the one that was on ebay. > HTH > Sandy > _______________________________________________ From Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com Tue Jul 8 14:02:51 2008 From: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com (Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 13:02:51 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Jay Laifman is out of the office. Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 07/08/2008 and will not return until 07/11/2008. If you need immediate assistance, please contact Jacquie Nelmida at (818) 871-4819 or internally at 92 585-4819. I will have limited cell/e-mail reception during the day, but will have reception at night and early morning. If you need anything while I am out, please contact Jacquie at (818) 871-4819. 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From srwick at hotmail.com Tue Jul 8 23:18:58 2008 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 22:18:58 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] overheated solenoid References: <007b01c8e17e$77036820$8a01a8c0@delldimension> Message-ID: Did the solenoid click once or chatter. I've seen a hot starter that's ready to fail, not turn over when the solenoid engaged (single click). If the solenoid "chattered", and you had sufficient voltage at the solenoid, the contacts are probably pitted and the solenoid just needs replaced. I have taken them apart and cleaned the contact surfaces before but it's not worth the time and effort, unless you're stuck at a buddy's place and the parts houses are all closed. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Michels To: Tiger Email List Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 9:44 PM Subject: [Tigers] overheated solenoid Does anybody have any suggested solutions for a starter solenoid (original Ford type mounted on firewall) that failed to engage after an extended drive through 100 degree weather? Just produced some weak clicking sounds, like a dead battery. Works fine once cooled off. Is there an extra heavy duty item available? _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as srwick at hotmail.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 9 10:27:39 2008 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:27:39 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Get Smart Shoe Phone Message-ID: <001201c8e1e0$b5069310$6901a8c0@your03667082de> Check out Ebay item # 370066001810. Its a Maxwell Smart working shoe phone. Nick at Night made these as a promo back in the early 1990's. I guess that was the last time the Get Smart episodes were broadcast. Looks like there is a lot of interest in it. I must confess that I bought a Nick at Night promo too. Mine looks like a miniature brief case and inside is a "exploding pen" and wrist watch with Maxwell Smart using his shoe phone photo on the dial. Jeff From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Wed Jul 9 11:01:35 2008 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:01:35 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] overheated solenoid In-Reply-To: <007b01c8e17e$77036820$8a01a8c0@delldimension> References: <007b01c8e17e$77036820$8a01a8c0@delldimension> Message-ID: <001801c8e1e5$72046470$6f6cc44a@jerry> Mike, First check and clean ALL connections, especially the eng. to frame gnd. A lot of current has to flow to the starter and any corrosion can cause a problem. On my car I have #2 cable from batt. to solenoid then to starter and then engine to frame so the complete circuit is #2cable. (Stock is #4.) If all checks out well, replacing the solenoid might be in order. Electrical parts that I think are top quality are Standard Bluestreak, Most good parts stores should have them. Good luck. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mike Michels Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:44 PM To: Tiger Email List Subject: [Tigers] overheated solenoid Does anybody have any suggested solutions for a starter solenoid (original Ford type mounted on firewall) that failed to engage after an extended drive through 100 degree weather? Just produced some weak clicking sounds, like a dead battery. Works fine once cooled off. Is there an extra heavy duty item available? You are subscribed as jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Wed Jul 9 11:19:40 2008 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 12:19:40 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers going down under Message-ID: <001a01c8e1e7$f88aa570$6f6cc44a@jerry> List Here is a little tidbit, A friend of mine from Texas recently sold his Tiger to a man from Australia who has also purchased 6 more Tigers and are on the way to the land down under. Anybody on the list sell one of the 6 to this person? Or know the IDs of these cars. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 9 10:54:24 2008 From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:54:24 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Get Smart Shoe Phone In-Reply-To: <001201c8e1e0$b5069310$6901a8c0@your03667082de> References: <001201c8e1e0$b5069310$6901a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: Jeff, I assume this is the secret LAT "86" option and should be fitted to all Tigers. regards Jeff In message <001201c8e1e0$b5069310$6901a8c0 at your03667082de>, Jeffrey Nichols writes >Check out Ebay item # 370066001810. Its a Maxwell Smart working shoe phone. >Nick at Night made these as a promo back in the early 1990's. I guess that >was the last time the Get Smart episodes were broadcast. Looks like there is >a lot of interest in it. I must confess that I bought a Nick at Night promo >too. Mine looks like a miniature brief case and inside is a "exploding pen" >and wrist watch with Maxwell Smart using his shoe phone photo on the dial. > > > > Jeff >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive > -- Jeff Howarth From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 9 13:32:28 2008 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:32:28 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hold or sell? Message-ID: <001501c8e1fa$862a6ca0$6901a8c0@your03667082de> "A friend of mine from Texas recently sold his Tiger to a man from Australia who has also purchased 6 more Tigers and are on the way to the land down under." Hmmm, maybe its Rupert Murdock trying to corner the Sunbeam Tiger market. I expect a strong rise in the market price of Sunbeam Tigers in the near future. My recommendation is to hold for now and sell at a good price before the market drops Jeff. From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 14:03:01 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 21:03:01 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Hold or sell? In-Reply-To: <001501c8e1fa$862a6ca0$6901a8c0@your03667082de> References: <001501c8e1fa$862a6ca0$6901a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: <39a841b0807091303m6de357b7j6f78fcb3830126a1@mail.gmail.com> my recommendation is to hold forever. its not an investment, i don't plan on selling it, so i don't care where the price goes. in fact if it goes up its just going to push my insurance up :) On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Jeffrey Nichols wrote: > "A friend of mine from Texas recently sold his Tiger to a man from Australia > who has also purchased 6 more Tigers and are on the way to the land down > under." > > > Hmmm, maybe its Rupert Murdock trying to corner the Sunbeam Tiger market. I > expect a strong rise in the market price of Sunbeam Tigers in the near future. > My recommendation is to hold for now and sell at a good price before the > market drops > > > > Jeff. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From un-cole-a at juno.com Wed Jul 9 14:36:01 2008 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 20:36:01 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Hold or sell? Message-ID: <20080709.163601.13285.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Why would anyone sell their Tiger??? They say money brings happiness but that has been proved wrong, but on the other hand, Tigers bring nothing but happiness!!!!! Ok maybe a @#%@@& once in awhile but all in all the Tiger is nothing but good clean fun!!!! ____________________________________________________________ Start Email Marketing - fast, affordable, and measurable. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3l4wZhHwfTRlUGFdAyLB5tmtw3k N0BCvDhaFQfqg0lZO1aMq/ From cmccann at lwpb.com Wed Jul 9 14:44:38 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:44:38 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Hold or sell? In-Reply-To: <20080709.163601.13285.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080709.163601.13285.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647334C70CB50@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Eheeemm... ( throat clearing sound) I personally don't sell things very often. I have a few collectible cars and didn't get into them for the investment, but for the fun of collecting, racing, showing, tinkering etc. I cant imagine ever selling the Tiger, but I admit that I'm guilty of the image associated with owning or driving a rare and valuable car. I would prefer that my Tigers value went up as much as possible, simply for the grandure. Where I come from, if you see a Shelby Cobra or a GT500 driving down the street, it gets a tremendous amount of respect, and its value on the market has a lot to do with that. There are a lot of extremely rare cars that never get a second look because they don't have any market value. IMO ....Rarity does not always equate to desirability. Its kinda like the issetta discussions...Isettas are very rare in my part of the country, but from what I can tell, most people wouldn't have one for free...( yet I have 3) Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hold or sell? Why would anyone sell their Tiger??? From laurin212 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 9 15:10:27 2008 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 14:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Hold or sell? In-Reply-To: <001501c8e1fa$862a6ca0$6901a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: <813140.97068.qm@web53604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> "sell at a good price before the market drops" ... ha! half of wall street is now unemployed because of "the smartest guys in the room" thinking they could time a market!! maybe us tiger guys are smarter at timing a market?! =) PL --- On Wed, 7/9/08, Jeffrey Nichols wrote: > From: Jeffrey Nichols .....I expect a strong rise in the market price of Sunbeam Tigers > in the near future. > My recommendation is to hold for now and sell at a good > price before the > market drops From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Jul 9 16:53:31 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:53:31 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers going down under In-Reply-To: <001a01c8e1e7$f88aa570$6f6cc44a@jerry> References: <001a01c8e1e7$f88aa570$6f6cc44a@jerry> Message-ID: Unless i am mistaken... there was a member of the australian club who has bought 3 tigers and 3 alpines he intends on bringing down under. I bought a tiger in the states in 2007... man i wish i had waited.. there would have been a 16K difference in price thanks to the drop/rise of the exchange rates.. oh well live and learn! -- Regards Michael King From RSSmithIQ at cs.com Wed Jul 9 21:01:45 2008 From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith) Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:01:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] "Self-Adjusting" rear brakes Message-ID: <48757B99.9080600@cs.com> OK, does anyone out there have stock rear brakes and experienced having the adjusters tighten themselves as you drive? If I drive 20 miles, my rear brakes start to drag. I back off the adjusters and I'm good for another 20 miles, but the same thing keeps happening????? Anyone else ever have that happen? I pulled off the drums and everything appears normal. Adjusters do move easily (without threads binding), but have the square tapers so they don't screw in without that typical resistance every 1/4 turn. Any experience with this? Thanks- Randy -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ at cs.com Tiger- B382000189 From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Jul 10 09:45:40 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:45:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] "Self-Adjusting" rear brakes In-Reply-To: <48757B99.9080600@cs.com> Message-ID: <000001c8e2a4$02d3fba0$a4931840@ronpc1> Randy Granted a screw can turn due to vibration but I would expect the screw to turn in the direction of least resistance which should be out. I would put a paint mark on the adjuster screws to determine if the screw are indeed turning or if something else is happening. You might also be able to put a nut on the screws to create a jam condition. There should be enough spring pressure on the shoes to keep the adjuster screw from moving. I suspect that the brake cylinder is not free to move but is creeping and holding as you apply the brakes. Does your hand brake work correctly? The brake cylinder needs to be free to move back and forth on the backing plate so the hand brake will push both shoes toward the drum. Check the springs for tension, make sure the brake cylinder can move, grease the inside of the adjuster and put grease on the backer plate pads that the shoes touch on. Basically do a thorough check of the rear brakes. Also check to make sure the hand brake cable is releasing and working correctly. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randy Smith Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:02 PM To: Tiger List Serve Subject: [Tigers] "Self-Adjusting" rear brakes OK, does anyone out there have stock rear brakes and experienced having the adjusters tighten themselves as you drive? If I drive 20 miles, my rear brakes start to drag. I back off the adjusters and I'm good for another 20 miles, but the same thing keeps happening????? Anyone else ever have that happen? I pulled off the drums and everything appears normal. Adjusters do move easily (without threads binding), but have the square tapers so they don't screw in without that typical resistance every 1/4 turn. Any experience with this? Thanks- Randy -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ at cs.com Tiger- B382000189 _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1542 - Release Date: 7/9/2008 6:50 AM From TIGEROOTES at aol.com Thu Jul 10 11:35:08 2008 From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:35:08 EDT Subject: [Tigers] starter solonoid Message-ID: In a message dated 7/9/2008 11:05:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tigers-request at autox.team.net writes: > Does anybody have any suggested solutions for a starter solenoid (original > Ford type mounted on firewall) One slick answer is to use the original captive nuts and install it on the passenger side of the firewall. That keeps it away from the heat in the engine compartment. Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle ************** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Sat Jul 12 16:22:28 2008 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:22:28 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Is anyone out there?!?!?!? Message-ID: <001101c8e46d$c530b150$6f6cc44a@jerry> I haven't received any e-mails from y'all in awhile - is everyone out having fun or have I been lost from the list? Jerry Christopherson From achd73 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 12 16:37:44 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Is anyone out there?!?!?!? In-Reply-To: <001101c8e46d$c530b150$6f6cc44a@jerry> Message-ID: <581670.19541.qm@web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jerry- I tried to join the Alpine list and had decided I was mistankenly removed from the Tiger list. Guess everyone is out of subjects to discuss. Glad you ask as I was just getting ready to ask as well. laters, Tony --- On Sat, 7/12/08, Jerry wrote: > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as achd73 at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Sat Jul 12 16:46:11 2008 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 17:46:11 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Cleo Shelby's Tiger Message-ID: <000301c8e471$14da3020$6f6cc44a@jerry> Okay, let's see if I can get things started. From what I understand, Cleo Shelby and her Tiger were at Big Bear, and someone told me she had power steering installed in the car. Does anyone have photos of this or have details of the installation? Jerry 9473187 From jteepen at usatoday.com Sat Jul 12 17:17:50 2008 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:17:50 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Is anyone out there?!?!?!? In-Reply-To: <001101c8e46d$c530b150$6f6cc44a@jerry> Message-ID: <9FF002B4A98E0F4FB752C81A06F004E9723163DAF8@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> Jerry: Out having fun. C.A.T meeting this morning and LASAAC meeting/BBQ for lunch. A great Saturday. Could be a bit cooler though. Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 3:22 PM To: TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET Subject: [Tigers] Is anyone out there?!?!?!? I haven't received any e-mails from y'all in awhile - is everyone out having fun or have I been lost from the list? Jerry Christopherson You are subscribed as jteepen at usatoday.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From CoolVT at aol.com Sat Jul 12 17:22:29 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:22:29 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Speed channel Tiger Message-ID: The Speed channel has an upcoming series...."101 CARS YOU MUST DRIVE". In last nights advertisement they showed a Tiger MKll so I assume that will be one of the 101. I'm guessing that it might be an hour show with 3 cars per episode?? If so, the Tiger should get pretty good exposure. Mark L **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From Landcmitch at aol.com Sat Jul 12 17:31:50 2008 From: Landcmitch at aol.com (Landcmitch at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:31:50 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Speed channel Tiger Message-ID: Good tip, Mark. I checked the Speed Channel website www.speedtv.com. The program title is "A Bit of All Right" broadcast July 21, 22, 27 and Aug 2 at various times. Check the web for local times. In a message dated 7/12/2008 4:22:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, CoolVT at aol.com writes: The Speed channel has an upcoming series...."101 CARS YOU MUST DRIVE". In last nights advertisement they showed a Tiger MKll so I assume that will be one of the 101. I'm guessing that it might be an hour show with 3 cars per episode?? If so, the Tiger should get pretty good exposure. Mark L **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) You are subscribed as landcmitch at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From mai65tai at sonic.net Sat Jul 12 19:13:19 2008 From: mai65tai at sonic.net (John Stithem) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:13:19 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Hinge Removal Message-ID: <002701c8e485$a31d0330$0600000a@John> I'm removing my gas tanks (haven't done it since my original restroation 15 years ago). It doesn't appear that I can get the tanks out w/o removing the trunk springs. Has anyone figured out an easy way to remove the springs? Thanks in advance. John From mai65tai at sonic.net Sat Jul 12 19:44:33 2008 From: mai65tai at sonic.net (John Stithem) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:44:33 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Update on trunk spring removal Message-ID: <003a01c8e48a$004809c0$0600000a@John> After I sent out the mail---I went out and looked at the truck again and figured out an easy way. If you keep the trunk hinge attached to the car end and remove it from trunk lid side---you can easily rotate the hinge (farther than it eill go when both ends are attached). This puts the spring on more slack and you can easily pull the spring off the hook. John From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Sat Jul 12 19:52:32 2008 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:52:32 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Speed channel Tiger References: Message-ID: <001201c8e48b$1d73e220$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> I'm looking forward to the show. Long time CAT Treasurer Rick Mueller provided one of his Tigers for the shoot at Willow Springs about a month ago. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 4:22 PM Subject: [Tigers] Speed channel Tiger > The Speed channel has an upcoming series...."101 CARS YOU MUST DRIVE". > In > last nights advertisement they showed a Tiger MKll so I assume that will > be > one of the 101. I'm guessing that it might be an hour show with 3 cars > per > episode?? If so, the Tiger should get pretty good exposure. > Mark L > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From jteepen at usatoday.com Sat Jul 12 19:59:07 2008 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:59:07 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Speed channel Tiger In-Reply-To: <001201c8e48b$1d73e220$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <9FF002B4A98E0F4FB752C81A06F004E9723163DB11@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> It appears there are two shows on Speed that will be showcasing Tigers, "101 Cars You Must Drive", and "A Bit of Allright". Now I have to pay twice as much attention to be sure I do not miss them! Great news for Tigers though. Jere Teepen -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Buck Trippel Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 6:53 PM To: CoolVT at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speed channel Tiger I'm looking forward to the show. Long time CAT Treasurer Rick Mueller provided one of his Tigers for the shoot at Willow Springs about a month ago. Buck Trippel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 4:22 PM Subject: [Tigers] Speed channel Tiger > The Speed channel has an upcoming series...."101 CARS YOU MUST DRIVE". > In > last nights advertisement they showed a Tiger MKll so I assume that > will be one of the 101. I'm guessing that it might be an hour show > with 3 cars per episode?? If so, the Tiger should get pretty good > exposure. > Mark L > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive _ From jteepen at usatoday.com Sat Jul 12 20:02:30 2008 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 22:02:30 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Update on trunk spring removal In-Reply-To: <003a01c8e48a$004809c0$0600000a@John> Message-ID: <9FF002B4A98E0F4FB752C81A06F004E9723163DB13@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> You have indeed found the easy way to remove the springs. Be very careful when extending the arms back to release the springs however, if you go too far it is easy to put a dent in the top of the rear fender fro onderneath with the hook on the arm that attaches to the spring. Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Stithem Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 6:45 PM To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] Update on trunk spring removal After I sent out the mail---I went out and looked at the truck again and figured out an easy way. If you keep the trunk hinge attached to the car end and remove it from trunk lid side---you can easily rotate the hinge (farther than it eill go when both ends are attached). This puts the spring on more slack and you can easily pull the spring off the hook. John From v8tracker at gmail.com Sat Jul 12 20:34:27 2008 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:34:27 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Cleo Shelby's Tiger In-Reply-To: <000301c8e471$14da3020$6f6cc44a@jerry> References: <000301c8e471$14da3020$6f6cc44a@jerry> Message-ID: <9A8A4540E0784426B802F725CA3F6E27@DellD4700> I don't know anything about her car, but there is a pretty neat setup being used on a lot of street rods and other older cars which did not come with power steering. It's electrical and either mounts under the dash connected to the steering column or under the hood connected to the steering shaft. There are no hydraulics and there are no changes required to the steering box/rack and pinion or other parts of the steering system. Take a look at: http://www.flamingriver.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=results/category_id=210/hom e_id=210/mode=cat/cat210.htm A.C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > > Okay, let's see if I can get things started. From what I understand, Cleo > Shelby and her Tiger were at Big Bear, and someone told me she had power > steering installed in the car. Does anyone have photos of this or have > details of the installation? > > > Jerry From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Sat Jul 12 21:50:11 2008 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 22:50:11 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Cleo Shelby's Tiger In-Reply-To: <9A8A4540E0784426B802F725CA3F6E27@DellD4700> References: <000301c8e471$14da3020$6f6cc44a@jerry> <9A8A4540E0784426B802F725CA3F6E27@DellD4700> Message-ID: <000001c8e49b$8cd51de0$6f6cc44a@jerry> That's pretty cool, rather pricy for me, but I'm sure the Shelby's could afford it just fine. Ha. Jerry -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of A. C. Tynes Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 9:34 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cleo Shelby's Tiger I don't know anything about her car, but there is a pretty neat setup being used on a lot of street rods and other older cars which did not come with power steering. It's electrical and either mounts under the dash connected to the steering column or under the hood connected to the steering shaft. There are no hydraulics and there are no changes required to the steering box/rack and pinion or other parts of the steering system. Take a look at: http://www.flamingriver.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=results/category_id=210/hom e_id=210/mode=cat/cat210.htm A.C. Tynes New Orleans > -----Original Message----- > > Okay, let's see if I can get things started. From what I understand, Cleo > Shelby and her Tiger were at Big Bear, and someone told me she had power > steering installed in the car. Does anyone have photos of this or have > details of the installation? > > > Jerry You are subscribed as jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From v8tracker at gmail.com Sat Jul 12 22:50:09 2008 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:50:09 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Cleo Shelby's Tiger In-Reply-To: <000001c8e49b$8cd51de0$6f6cc44a@jerry> References: <000301c8e471$14da3020$6f6cc44a@jerry> <9A8A4540E0784426B802F725CA3F6E27@DellD4700> <000001c8e49b$8cd51de0$6f6cc44a@jerry> Message-ID: <5ADF569EF2D54F24854DBBB4905CB163@DellD4700> Yeah, I was surprised at the price, too. I seem to remember seeing a similar item in Street Rodder magazine for something like $1,600 a year or so ago, but the Flaming River one was the first one Google found for me tonight. A. C. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry [mailto:JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net] > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 10:50 PM > To: 'A. C. Tynes'; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [Tigers] Cleo Shelby's Tiger > > That's pretty cool, rather pricy for me, but I'm sure the Shelby's could > afford it just fine. Ha. > > Jerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of > A. C. Tynes > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 9:34 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cleo Shelby's Tiger > > I don't know anything about her car, but there is a pretty neat setup > being > used on a lot of street rods and other older cars which did not come with > power steering. It's electrical and either mounts under the dash connected > to the steering column or under the hood connected to the steering shaft. > There are no hydraulics and there are no changes required to the steering > box/rack and pinion or other parts of the steering system. > > Take a look at: > http://www.flamingriver.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=results/category_id=210/h > om > e_id=210/mode=cat/cat210.htm > > A.C. Tynes > New Orleans > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > Okay, let's see if I can get things started. From what I understand, > Cleo > > Shelby and her Tiger were at Big Bear, and someone told me she had power > > steering installed in the car. Does anyone have photos of this or have > > details of the installation? > > > > > > Jerry > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From bobdixon at frii.com Sat Jul 12 23:43:30 2008 From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:43:30 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Cleo Shelby's Tiger References: <000301c8e471$14da3020$6f6cc44a@jerry><9A8A4540E0784426B802F725CA3F6E27@DellD4700><000001c8e49b$8cd51de0$6f6cc44a@jerry> <5ADF569EF2D54F24854DBBB4905CB163@DellD4700> Message-ID: <000c01c8e4ab$61ec5d40$35fc7f0a@BobsDell> On my last Tiger I made up a power steering unit. Since I was autocrossing the car with slick 265's all around, it was really tearing up my shoulder, so I had to do something. I used a power steering rack from a Miata. Since a lot of the Spec Miata guys go to manual steering, the racks are easy to come by. I made some brackets so that the rack just bolted in place of the Midget rack I had in there already. I had to make some adapters to connect the Miata rack to the rod ends. Here's the cool part, I then used an electric power steering pump from a Subaru XT6 I believe. I mounted the pump behind the passenger seat. I had a switch on the dash that I could turn on my power steering when I wanted it. I think all in all I had around $300 in the whole thing. It worked really well and saved my shoulders. -Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. C. Tynes" To: "'Jerry'" ; Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cleo Shelby's Tiger > Yeah, I was surprised at the price, too. I seem to remember seeing a > similar > item in Street Rodder magazine for something like $1,600 a year or so ago, > but the Flaming River one was the first one Google found for me tonight. > > A. C. From grl19 at cox.net Sun Jul 13 03:21:03 2008 From: grl19 at cox.net (grl19) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 05:21:03 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Speed channel Tiger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c8e4c9$c8907950$9200a8c0@mylaptop> I just checked the web tv listings and the show is 1/2 Hr and with just 4 episodes, will appear to cover 25+ cars per episode. Don't expect much exposure for ANY 1 vehicle, less than 1 minute per car with commercials! On the Speed website, the tiger is # 86 so if they show in countdown order, should be in the second episode "The Bird is The Word" First episode, "A Lot of Pulp, But no Fiction", is 7/14 at 1:00 AM EST. Second Episode, "The Bird is The Word", is 7/15 at 1:00 AM EST Third Episode, "Keeping it All in The Family" is 7/22 at 1:00 AM EST And Forth Episode, "I'm Just Here For The Sex", is 7/26 at 12:30 AM EST. NOTE: Episodes 4,1 & 3 are back to back on 7/26 starting at 12:30 AM EST Am in the process of moving from Georgia to PA but will keep cable active long enough to record all episodes on DVD. Happy Tigering. George -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+grl19=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+grl19=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Landcmitch at aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 7:32 PM To: CoolVT at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speed channel Tiger Good tip, Mark. I checked the Speed Channel website www.speedtv.com. The program title is "A Bit of All Right" broadcast July 21, 22, 27 and Aug 2 at various times. Check the web for local times. In a message dated 7/12/2008 4:22:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, CoolVT at aol.com writes: The Speed channel has an upcoming series...."101 CARS YOU MUST DRIVE". In last nights advertisement they showed a Tiger MKll so I assume that will be one of the 101. I'm guessing that it might be an hour show with 3 cars per episode?? If so, the Tiger should get pretty good exposure. Mark L From grl19 at cox.net Sun Jul 13 03:38:19 2008 From: grl19 at cox.net (grl19) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 05:38:19 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Speed channel Tiger Message-ID: <000601c8e4cc$320a5b60$9200a8c0@mylaptop> Just checked further and the Tiger will appear in the 3rd Episode, "Keeping it All in the family" Airing the first time 7/21 at 9:00 PM EST. Moving George -----Original Message----- From: grl19 [mailto:grl19 at cox.net] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 5:21 AM To: 'tigers at autox.team.net' Subject: RE: [Tigers] Speed channel Tiger I just checked the web tv listings and the show is 1/2 Hr and with just 4 episodes, will appear to cover 25+ cars per episode. Don't expect much exposure for ANY 1 vehicle, less than 1 minute per car with commercials! On the Speed website, the tiger is # 86 so if they show in countdown order, should be in the second episode "The Bird is The Word" First episode, "A Lot of Pulp, But no Fiction", is 7/14 at 1:00 AM EST. Second Episode, "The Bird is The Word", is 7/15 at 1:00 AM EST Third Episode, "Keeping it All in The Family" is 7/22 at 1:00 AM EST And Forth Episode, "I'm Just Here For The Sex", is 7/26 at 12:30 AM EST. NOTE: Episodes 4,1 & 3 are back to back on 7/26 starting at 12:30 AM EST Am in the process of moving from Georgia to PA but will keep cable active long enough to record all episodes on DVD. Happy Tigering. George From walmenke at bigpond.net.au Sun Jul 13 05:14:22 2008 From: walmenke at bigpond.net.au (Wally Menke) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:14:22 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Hypothetical question??? In-Reply-To: <20080626151154.NDHD3194.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> References: <20080626144541.XGBT9455.aarpub10.charter.net@QMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <20080626151154.NDHD3194.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: <000f01c8e4d9$9a620390$cf260ab0$@net.au> Yes but don't forget to wear the sun tan lotion! As your face will look like you've been too long in a solarium. I know from experience, Dahh! Wally Menke -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+walmenke=bigpond.net.au at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+walmenke=bigpond.net.au at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Lau Sent: Friday, 27 June 2008 1:11 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Hypothetical question??? The old way of welding sheet metal with acetylene is tough and takes a lot of practice but with a mig welder a person can learn to weld quickly. It is as easy as using a caulking gun and the hardest part is getting it adjusted correctly. Once adjusted it works easy every time to the point that a person can weld a dot or spot weld without a hood by turning their face away and pressing the button. -- Bill -- From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Jul 13 06:15:14 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 08:15:14 EDT Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: I just checked the web tv listings and the show is 1/2 Hr and with just 4 episodes, will appear to cover 25+ cars per episode. Don't expect much exposure for ANY 1 vehicle, less than 1 minute per car with commercials! That sounds like it's going to be a pretty stupid show if that's the way it's set up. One or two minutes on each car!!!!!!!!! M **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Jul 13 06:26:32 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 08:26:32 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Speed channel Tiger Message-ID: George, I'm in New England and the information given for this area is that the 101 car show will begin tomorrow, July 13 at 9:00 PM...1/2 hour show. It's the only time shown as running this week which is strange. They normally run the same show 2 or 3 times within the week. And, the major ads they are running on the Speed station are advertising that it begins on July 21st. Now I'm wondering if for this area that the July 13 show is just a preview show. Where did you dig up your information? Mark **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Jul 13 06:36:08 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 08:36:08 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Speed channel Tiger Message-ID: Whoops, make that tomorrow, "MONDAY" the 14th at 9:00. M **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From gswaybright at yahoo.com Sun Jul 13 07:25:37 2008 From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 06:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Details on Spped TV show w/ Tiger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <736933.47087.qm@web31706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The SpeedTV link below shows 6 different episode, and it's not clear that those are all there will be. That's just what they have listed at present. The Tiger is one of two cars called out by name to be in the episode "A Bit of All Right" so I'd expect a little more than a passing mention. http://www.speedtv.com/programs/101-cars-you-must-drive/episodes/ I'm anxious to see it. Stephen --- On Sun, 7/13/08, CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > From: CoolVT at aol.com > Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Sunday, July 13, 2008, 8:15 AM > I just checked the web tv listings and the show is 1/2 Hr > and with just 4 > episodes, will appear to cover 25+ cars per episode. > Don't expect much > exposure for ANY 1 vehicle, less than 1 minute per car with > commercials! > > That sounds like it's going to be a pretty stupid show > if that's the way > it's set up. One or two minutes on each car!!!!!!!!! > M From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Jul 13 07:27:15 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:27:15 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Details on Spped TV show w/ Tiger Message-ID: Thank you. M **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Sun Jul 13 07:01:42 2008 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Duke Samouce) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:01:42 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Getting all emails twice? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c8e4e8$992c6bf0$cb8543d0$@rr.com> Don't get me wrong, love the Tiger emails but why do I get them all twice? What have I done wrong? Duke From Rsgwynn1 at cs.com Sun Jul 13 08:12:43 2008 From: Rsgwynn1 at cs.com (Rsgwynn1 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:12:43 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Unsubscribe? Message-ID: Could you please unsubscribe me from the list? rsgwynn1 at cs.com From DJoh797014 at aol.com Sun Jul 13 16:31:23 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:31:23 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Update on trunk spring removal Message-ID: John's right. Mark the hinge position on the boot lid. Then have some hold the lid open while you remove the 4 bolt. Rotate the boot support and the tension is relieved from the spring. Piece of cake from there. Remember the hole that the spring is using at the back. A broom handle or 1x4 easily hold the lid up so you can continue with the tank removal. Please advise the list os to what product or method youb are going to use to coat the tanks. Inquiring minds want to know. Dave In a message dated 7/12/2008 8:46:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mai65tai at sonic.net writes: After I sent out the mail---I went out and looked at the truck again and figured out an easy way. If you keep the trunk hinge attached to the car end and remove it from trunk lid side---you can easily rotate the hinge (farther than it eill go when both ends are attached). This puts the spring on more slack and you can easily pull the spring off the hook. John You are subscribed as djoh797014 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From DJoh797014 at aol.com Sun Jul 13 16:47:20 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:47:20 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Speed channel Tiger Message-ID: While watching the American LeMans race at the Glen today on Speed they ran some promos for '101 cars you have to drive' that featured lots of footage for a black Tiger. The promo meantioned the July 21 etc date. Later in the broadcast he mentioned another showing at 9PM tomorrow (monday). I'll tune in just in case. Top Gear will be over by then. Nice race. The Vettes were 1-2 in their class. Closest Ford was a Panoz in 5th. Where are the vaunted Shelby GT500's? Where is any Ford product? There was a GT40 (not Ford GT). Perhaps they need more decals to show everyone that they are so fast. In a message dated 7/12/2008 6:32:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Landcmitch at aol.com writes: Good tip, Mark. I checked the Speed Channel website www.speedtv.com. The program title is "A Bit of All Right" broadcast July 21, 22, 27 and Aug 2 at various times. Check the web for local times. In a message dated 7/12/2008 4:22:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, CoolVT at aol.com writes: The Speed channel has an upcoming series...."101 CARS YOU MUST DRIVE". In last nights advertisement they showed a Tiger MKll so I assume that will be one of the 101. I'm guessing that it might be an hour show with 3 cars per episode?? If so, the Tiger should get pretty good exposure. Mark L **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) You are subscribed as landcmitch at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) You are subscribed as djoh797014 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) From crbernardino at mac.com Sun Jul 13 18:09:29 2008 From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:09:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] ARTICLE - 101 Cars: Sunbeam Tiger - SPEEDtv.com Message-ID: <150A29BE-631B-44BE-971E-A33D4A666661@mac.com> On Speed it is ranked #85 of 101. Rob in CT http://www.speedtv.com/article/101-cars-sunbeam-tiger From cmccann at lwpb.com Mon Jul 14 09:21:11 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:21:11 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] ARTICLE - 101 Cars: Sunbeam Tiger - SPEEDtv.com In-Reply-To: <150A29BE-631B-44BE-971E-A33D4A666661@mac.com> References: <150A29BE-631B-44BE-971E-A33D4A666661@mac.com> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD6847090647334C70CE73@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Is 101 the best or the worst? Cullen '1452 On Speed it is ranked #85 of 101. Rob in CT From PhastPhill at aol.com Mon Jul 14 09:35:10 2008 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:35:10 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Hinge Removal Message-ID: I did mine last winter. I took the bolts out of the trunk holding the arms. Let the arms down and take off spring. Put arms back on trunk wrap them with a cloth and clamp with a small vise grip. Take out tank, right side first. Repeat on other side. When done drop arms one side at a time , put on spring, bolt back on trunk. Check spring anchor points, mine were starting to pop the spot welds. Next tip, buy all new rubber bits for tanks, then just cut the old stuff away when removing, makes it simple. Leave old balance tube till you need to use it as a snake to pull new one through.......cheers From Chris.Ross at nmsusa.com Tue Jul 15 03:28:22 2008 From: Chris.Ross at nmsusa.com (Chris Ross) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:28:22 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for Sale Message-ID: <50D484054531F548B019FE3734E7DF8402DC875A57@srvr-mail.nmsusa.corp> This 1965 Tiger was restored in the early 1990's and driven very lightly ever since. In fact, the car has been garaged for the past 6-7 years. Powered by a Ford V-8 260cu engine (numbers match), this little machine really screams! The car is a great shape, but by no means is it concours quality - just a good solid driver. With some work it could be show quality. The car comes with a very rare fully complete hard top, along with a soft top and tonneau cover. Straight body, no rust, never wrecked, nice, rare hard to find Tiger. Come and get it for just $20,000. Chris Ross 907-565-3301 From Chris.Ross at nmsusa.com Tue Jul 15 03:33:36 2008 From: Chris.Ross at nmsusa.com (Chris Ross) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:33:36 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for Sale w/pics Message-ID: <50D484054531F548B019FE3734E7DF8402DC875A58@srvr-mail.nmsusa.corp> This 1965 Tiger was restored in the early 1990's and driven very lightly ever since. In fact, the car has been garaged for the past 6-7 years. Powered by a Ford V-8 260cu engine (numbers match), this little machine really screams! The car is a great shape, but by no means is it concours quality - just a good solid driver. With some work it could be show quality. The car comes with a very rare fully complete hard top, along with a soft top and tonneau cover. Straight body, no rust, never wrecked, nice, rare hard to find Tiger. Come and get it for just $20,000. Chris Ross 907-565-3301 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of tiger5.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of tiger6.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg which had a name of tiger1.JPG] From RSSmithIQ at cs.com Wed Jul 16 06:07:16 2008 From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:07:16 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] "Self-Adjusting" rear brakes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <487DE474.7030802@cs.com> Last week I posted a question about my apparently "self-adjusting rear brakes" . Actually, I was joking about the self-adjusters as my car is a Mk-1A which has manual adjusters. Thanks to everyone who responded, as the variety of responses helped me zero in on the problem. As Ron Fraser so astutely observed, it would be strange for the adjusters to vibrate in the "tightening" direction, so I immediately suspected that was not the problem. A few folks mentioned a possible sticking booster, but mine was recently rebuilt and my front brakes were not sticking, so I figured that was not it either. As it turns out, Jeffrey Nichols nailed the problem. When I rebuilt all of the brakes, I replaced pretty much everything except a couple of the hard lines and one flex line. The one from the car to the rear axle. That flex line was very old (likely original) and looked perfectly good on the outside. However, inside, the rubber had broken down and swelled shut. The brake system was forceful enough to push fluid to the rear brake cylinders, but it could not flow back after the brakes were released. I put on a new line and that did it! Thanks Jeff. I figured the end result might be informative for others. Thanks- Randy -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ at cs.com Tiger- B382000189 From tiger at missiongranite.com Wed Jul 16 14:07:34 2008 From: tiger at missiongranite.com (Alan Zeni) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:07:34 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tranny help Message-ID: <001d01c8e77f$a660be40$7bf2d648@wearezs.com> Turns out that I am in need of an output shaft and a tailhousing. Does anyone know if those are speciality items or interchangible with other toploaders? Anyone have any spares around? Thanks From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Jul 16 14:51:17 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 13:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tranny help Message-ID: <108551.35976.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You can get a NEW tailhousing for the Tiger top loader from David Kee Toploaders. He also has all other parts new. The tailshaft may be somthing still available elsewhere as he may source those for the Tiger types (might also be early Fairlane style not sure). Give him a call he can get you in the right direction. He was very helpful when I was looking for a gearbox for my tiger project. HTH Sandy http://www.davidkeetoploaders.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Alan Zeni To: tiger Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:07:34 PM Subject: [Tigers] Tranny help Turns out that I am in need of an output shaft and a tailhousing. Does anyone know if those are speciality items or interchangible with other toploaders? Anyone have any spares around? Thanks _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From crabco at shaw.ca Wed Jul 16 16:06:10 2008 From: crabco at shaw.ca (Tim Webster) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:06:10 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Another spring removal idea Message-ID: <002001c8e790$27d0ee90$6500a8c0@BigBlack> I had the same dilemma i.e. how to get the trunk springs off without losing any teeth or damaging the paint. A local Tiger friend suggested this and it worked very well with minimal effort, tools or materials. Open the trunk lid. Wrap a rag around the pivot point in the hinge. Secure the arms with hose clamps so the lid stays up. Get a 6' length of say 5/16" rope. Tie that to the rear hook on the spring. Turn yourself around and put the rope over your shoulder. Apply steady pressure (it doesn't require that much) until the hook comes away from its anchor and then gradually relax the tension. Thanks to Brian Nickels for the idea. Tim From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Wed Jul 16 16:08:13 2008 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:08:13 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] the Sunbeam Name... Message-ID: I saw a posting on the Sunbeam Alpine website (http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8641) a few minutes ago about a Sunbeam scooter. They seem to be using the Sunbeam name and history as there own. Below are a couple links I found... http://www.sunbeamamerica.com/index.html https://www.tapadapters.com/splashPage.hg http://www.netlook.com/jump/pvt.cfm?nl=AT10461027&usid=1021 This seems to be along the lines of what happened a couple years ago (2005/2006?). Did it ever get resolved? Paul _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live for mobile, your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_0720 08 From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Jul 16 16:18:06 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:18:06 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] the Sunbeam Name... Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F161@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> How about this one? http://www.sunbeamamerica.com/tiger.html In 2005/6, that company (or its legal predecessors) tried to register the US trademarks for Sunbeam Tiger and Sunbeam Alpine. One of the lawyers on the list (or somehow associated with list members) filed objections, but I don't recall what became of it. Looks like they're continuing to market their wares using the Sunbeam name, and the "new Tiger" is still on their list of could-haves. Theo From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Jul 16 17:15:03 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:15:03 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] the Sunbeam Name... In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F161@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F161@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: last time they even used the Sunbeam script as per the rapier fastback/MKII for a logo.. i guess they have at least stopped that.. interstingly enough they now use the british sunbeam history for there heritage. -- Regards Michael King From tigerlat70 at comcast.net Wed Jul 16 19:14:39 2008 From: tigerlat70 at comcast.net (Steve Coleman) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:14:39 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 66 Tiger in the news stands article Message-ID: <03da01c8e7aa$7cad7c20$b770d262@stevesdell> I was in Borders and pick up the Aug issue of Classic Cars & Thourghbred, there is a cobra on the cover. Page 48 has "Roadsters for real men" a 66 Tiger is one of them. Barns and Noble carry it too S From drmayf at mayfco.com Wed Jul 16 19:34:04 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:34:04 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 66 Tiger in the news stands article In-Reply-To: <03da01c8e7aa$7cad7c20$b770d262@stevesdell> References: <03da01c8e7aa$7cad7c20$b770d262@stevesdell> Message-ID: <487EA18C.3030503@mayfco.com> Hey steve, not picking on ya but the roadster part is interesting.. The old definition, the one I grew up with, of a roadster was a car that the side windows did not roll up. I wonder when the definition changed? mayf Steve Coleman wrote: >I was in Borders and pick up the Aug issue of Classic Cars & Thourghbred, >there is a cobra on the cover. Page 48 has "Roadsters for real men" a 66 >Tiger is one of them. Barns and Noble carry it too > >S From arado7 at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 16 20:07:43 2008 From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:07:43 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 66 Tiger in the news stands article References: <03da01c8e7aa$7cad7c20$b770d262@stevesdell> <487EA18C.3030503@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <009201c8e7b1$e6bc8000$6401a8c0@GMI> Roadster name is common now. I bought a Crossfire roadster..that's what they call it.....everything is automatic except the transmission...Gary B9472283 ----- Original Message ----- From: "drmayf" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] 66 Tiger in the news stands article > Hey steve, not picking on ya but the roadster part is interesting.. > > The old definition, the one I grew up with, of a roadster was a car > that the side windows did not roll up. I wonder when the definition > changed? > > mayf > > Steve Coleman wrote: > >>I was in Borders and pick up the Aug issue of Classic Cars & Thourghbred, >>there is a cobra on the cover. Page 48 has "Roadsters for real men" a 66 >>Tiger is one of them. Barns and Noble carry it too >> >>S > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as arado7 at sbcglobal.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From larryall at pacbell.net Wed Jul 16 20:47:10 2008 From: larryall at pacbell.net (Larry Allbritton) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop Hoist Message-ID: <265002.68086.qm@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I built a hardtop hoist several years ago and have wanted to improve on its ease of use. I was wondering any Tiger owners have ideas to share on how they built and installed their hoist. Suggestions welcome. Larry B9472723 From srwick at hotmail.com Thu Jul 17 05:40:08 2008 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 04:40:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop Hoist References: <265002.68086.qm@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I put a piece of Unistrut on the ceiling (actually 2 10' pieces) and bought the trolley wheels they make for it. I then mounted a cheap Harbor Freight electric hoist motor to the trolley. I can strap the top to the hoist hook, hit a button and it goes up and then I can slide it sideways out of the way. I use the same setup for removing/installing hoods on other cars. Anything up to about 300 lbs. Hope this helps. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Allbritton To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 7:47 PM Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop Hoist I built a hardtop hoist several years ago and have wanted to improve on its ease of use. I was wondering any Tiger owners have ideas to share on how they built and installed their hoist. Suggestions welcome. Larry B9472723 From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Jul 17 08:39:36 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:39:36 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Steering Wheel Question Message-ID: <487F59A8.1060008@mayfco.com> From someone I know not who... Maybe one among you can help? mayf -------- Original Message -------- Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:31:52 +0930 From: Marian Bader To: Hi We are restoring our Tiger for rallying and need a smaller steering wheel than the original. During the restoration of your Sunbeam Tiger did you notice the size of the steering wheel spline or what steering wheel might fit? Cheers Marian Bader Marian Bader WILDERNESS SCHOOL Life is amazing 30 Hawkers Road MEDINDIE 5081 www.wilderness.com.au ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This e-mail message has been scanned by *MailMarshal *from *Marshal Software*, an email content filter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Thu Jul 17 08:47:06 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:47:06 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Steering Wheel Question In-Reply-To: <487F59A8.1060008@mayfco.com> References: <487F59A8.1060008@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0807170747i2184b309la4b3df281bb264f7@mail.gmail.com> these guys do various wheels and tiger bosses and ship internationally: http://www.moto-lita.co.uk/ On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:39 PM, drmayf wrote: > From someone I know not who... Maybe one among you can help? > > mayf > > -------- Original Message -------- > Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:31:52 +0930 > From: Marian Bader > To: > > > > Hi > > > > We are restoring our Tiger for rallying and need a smaller steering > wheel than the original. During the restoration of your Sunbeam Tiger > did you notice the size of the steering wheel spline or what steering > wheel might fit? > > > > Cheers > > > > Marian Bader > > > > > > > > Marian Bader > > WILDERNESS > > SCHOOL > > Life is amazing > > 30 Hawkers Road > > MEDINDIE 5081 > > www.wilderness.com.au > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This e-mail message has been scanned by *MailMarshal *from *Marshal > Software*, an email content filter. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From tcprager at hotmail.com Thu Jul 17 08:54:11 2008 From: tcprager at hotmail.com (Thomas Prager) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:54:11 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] generator woes Message-ID: My generator has crapped out for the third time in three years and just under 2,500 miles. I get it rebuilt, but it does not last. Perhaps it does not like being spun over at 6,000 rpms every time I drive the car? Is there a permanent fix? Would a larger pulley help? I want to maintain a stock appearance in the engine bay, so I am not interested in switching to an alternator or the PowerMaster alternator that looks like a generator. thanks, tom 9472154 From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Jul 17 08:58:02 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:58:02 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] generator woes Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F164@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> What part of it is failing? Possibly you should check to be sure that the belt alignment is exactly right, and that the tension isn't too high. If you do consistently drive your car at high engine RPM then a larger generator pulley is a good idea. You will possibly end up running off the battery at idle though. Good luck, Theo From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 17 09:55:19 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] generator woes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <491822.7075.qm@web30301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tom- have you trie to polarize the generator again. Years ago I had one and for whatever reason, on would come the gen light and usually after I missed second gear with my foot flat on the floor, reaching very high rpms(great 5 bolt 289- junk shifter-ok worn out shifter) ANYWAY I had to polerize it again and it did fine until I over revved the engine the next time. My other thought would be stop rebuilding and get a completely different generator. I think the last one I bought was at a carquest parts store. Im not sure if they are nation wide or midwest. Also you didnt mention what part had to be replaced when it was rebuilt each time. Since they only replace whats bad you could conceively have had one of three things go bad, one at a time, not counting the brushes or brush holder or keepers. Good luck, TTT --- On Thu, 7/17/08, Thomas Prager wrote: > From: Thomas Prager > Subject: [Tigers] generator woes > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 9:54 AM > My generator has crapped out for the third time in three > years and just > under 2,500 miles. I get it rebuilt, but it does not last. > Perhaps it does not > like being spun over at 6,000 rpms every time I drive the > car? Is there a > permanent fix? Would a larger pulley help? I want to > maintain a stock > appearance in the engine bay, so I am not interested in > switching to an > alternator or the PowerMaster alternator that looks like a > generator. > > thanks, > > tom > 9472154 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as achd73 at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From tcprager at hotmail.com Thu Jul 17 11:31:23 2008 From: tcprager at hotmail.com (Thomas Prager) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:31:23 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] generator woes Message-ID: Thanks everyone for the helpful suggestions. I have a brand new wiring harness and a new voltage regulator. I had the first generator rebuilt as a bearing failed, I then adjusted the belt alignment. After the rebuild, the windings let loose, showering the engine bay with tiny pieces of copper. I have another, second, generator and now it barely charges. I will take it to the rebuilder to see the specific problem. tom From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Jul 17 12:44:11 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:44:11 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tranny help In-Reply-To: <001d01c8e77f$a660be40$7bf2d648@wearezs.com> Message-ID: <000001c8e83d$1c6836a0$39921840@ronpc1> Alan Here are the Ford part numbers for those parts which may help you. Output shaft C4OZ-7061-A Tail housing C4OZ-7A039-A Any Ford part numbers for the Tiger can be found on the Tiger United web site. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/FactParts.asp Here is the section for the Transmission; http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/FactParts.asp Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alan Zeni Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:08 PM To: tiger Subject: [Tigers] Tranny help Turns out that I am in need of an output shaft and a tailhousing. Does anyone know if those are speciality items or interchangible with other toploaders? Anyone have any spares around? Thanks You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.0/1555 - Release Date: 7/16/2008 6:43 AM From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Thu Jul 17 12:45:18 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:45:18 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop Hoist In-Reply-To: <265002.68086.qm@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <265002.68086.qm@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <487F933E.9040303@SoCal.rr.com> Larry, While the Tiger does not have a lift, my 2005 T-Bird now does. Same solution for both cars. Fortunately the T-Bird hoist, (manual) came with a lifting fixture to protect the top, but a little fabrication can do that. A foam covered tube through the window opening at the back corner, and a web connection to the hoist, and a similar web to the rear edge, will do the trick. A typical one can be found at: http://thunderbirdconcepts.com/hoist.htm (Nice Pics , $329, manual winch) or mine @: http://64.225.94.154/ShopSite/page50.html ($235) The electric hoist, itself, currently 440 lb capacity @ $90, came from Harbor Freight: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=40765 Good Fortune, Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Larry Allbritton wrote: > I built a hardtop hoist several years ago and have wanted to improve on its ease of use. > I was wondering any Tiger owners have ideas to share on how they built and installed their hoist. Suggestions welcome. > > Larry > B9472723 From sralsten at ca.rr.com Thu Jul 17 13:17:02 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:17:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Is this really an Alpine ? Message-ID: <17527359.2323801216322222468.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web16-z02> The things I don't know about Rootes history still exceeds the things I do, I was not aware there was a rebodied Alpine after the Tigers demise. I found this car for sale listed as a 1969 Alpine fastback. Is that correct ? I hope the link works. If not look at the TEAE.org forum where I made a post under the stock Tiger/stock Alpine category. http://images.craigslist.org/011500010201010305200807047cf45d979961fbb85c003243.jpg Steve From atwittsend at verizon.net Thu Jul 17 13:23:09 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:23:09 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Is this really an Alpine ? References: <17527359.2323801216322222468.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web16-z02> Message-ID: <006901c8e842$8bd55a40$0202a8c0@student2> Yes, and you can see the Chrysler influence in the Barracuda like rearend. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.0/1558 - Release Date: 7/17/2008 9:56 AM From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Jul 17 14:38:44 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:38:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Is this really an Alpine ? In-Reply-To: <17527359.2323801216322222468.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web16-z02> Message-ID: <000001c8e84d$1d14b000$d4951840@ronpc1> Steve Yes that is the Chrysler car with the Alpine name tag; I also believe there was a GT model. You should be able to do a search and pull up it's history; I know I found a web site once about them. Tiger Tom had one with a rotary engine; not sure where that car is any more. It was involved in an accident, repaired and sold, I believe. I looked at one in the Rochester NY area many years ago; a lot of surface rust and it could not be started. Seems to me that car was listed as an earlier Alpine, which is why I went to see it and I informed the owner that it was a later Chrysler Alpine. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten at ca.rr.com Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 3:17 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Is this really an Alpine ? The things I don't know about Rootes history still exceeds the things I do, I was not aware there was a rebodied Alpine after the Tigers demise. I found this car for sale listed as a 1969 Alpine fastback. Is that correct ? I hope the link works. If not look at the TEAE.org forum where I made a post under the stock Tiger/stock Alpine category. http://images.craigslist.org/011500010201010305200807047cf45d979961fbb85c003 243.jpg Steve You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.0/1558 - Release Date: 7/17/2008 9:56 AM From stubrennan at comcast.net Thu Jul 17 15:51:41 2008 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:51:41 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Custom Steering Wheels Message-ID: <000001c8e857$4caa5810$6601a8c0@Brennan> If you just can't find the perfect steering wheel for your Sunbeam, take a look at this site. http://www.pbase.com/mdlempert/wheels I came across this guy by accident, on a photography site. While I don't see any Sunbeam references, since he makes them himself, that might not be a problem. Stu From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Jul 17 15:57:24 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:57:24 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Custom Steering Wheels Message-ID: Those are some of the nicest looking wheels that I've ever seen. M **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From MWood24020 at aol.com Thu Jul 17 16:03:18 2008 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:03:18 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Custom Steering Wheels Message-ID: In a message dated 7/17/2008 2:52:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, stubrennan at comcast.net writes: http://www.pbase.com/mdlempert/wheels Absolutely gorgeous, if you can drive a car with a wood rim wheel. The craftsmanship looks outstanding. Mike **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Thu Jul 17 22:25:43 2008 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:25:43 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Wheels Message-ID: I'm going to repaint Tigger. I don't want to paint it with the Panasports and T/A Radials on the car. What cheap wheels will fit - something I can pick up at a junkyard? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From jim at island.net Thu Jul 17 23:05:34 2008 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:05:34 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Wheels In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <00f901c8e893$e9aa7c80$4101a8c0@JIMPC> There are actually quite a few different cars with the 'Tiger' bolt pattern... 4 on 4-1/4 (108 mm) Alfa Romeo (exc. Alfetta) Ford - Fairmont '78-'86 - Mustang 4-bolt patterns '74-'93 - T-Bird '80-'88 - Pinto '71-'80 - Fiesta '78-'85 - Escort all (RWD and FWD) - Cortina all - Taurus, Tempo, EXP to '89 - German-built Capri I, II, III '69-'8? Mercury - Capri '71-'88 - Cougar '79-'88 - Merkur, Topaz, Lynx '80-'89 - Zephyr '78-'86 Plymouth Cricket Porsche - 924 '77-'84 Sunbeam - Tiger, Alpine '65-'70 Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James E. Pickard Sent: July 17, 2008 9:26 PM To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] Wheels I'm going to repaint Tigger. I don't want to paint it with the Panasports and T/A Radials on the car. What cheap wheels will fit - something I can pick up at a junkyard? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA You are subscribed as jim at island.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Fri Jul 18 01:17:16 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:17:16 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Wheels In-Reply-To: <00f901c8e893$e9aa7c80$4101a8c0@JIMPC> References: <00f901c8e893$e9aa7c80$4101a8c0@JIMPC> Message-ID: <39a841b0807180017q621ac103w605dcb7c58085434@mail.gmail.com> i since you done care how central the holes are for rolling it around the paint shop, you could just drill any old steel wheel so that it bolts on. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 6:05 AM, Jim wrote: > There are actually quite a few different cars with the 'Tiger' bolt > pattern... > > 4 on 4-1/4 (108 mm) > > Alfa Romeo (exc. Alfetta) > Ford - Fairmont '78-'86 > - Mustang 4-bolt patterns '74-'93 > - T-Bird '80-'88 > - Pinto '71-'80 > - Fiesta '78-'85 > - Escort all (RWD and FWD) > - Cortina all > - Taurus, Tempo, EXP to '89 > - German-built Capri I, II, III '69-'8? > Mercury - Capri '71-'88 > - Cougar '79-'88 > - Merkur, Topaz, Lynx '80-'89 > - Zephyr '78-'86 > Plymouth Cricket > Porsche - 924 '77-'84 > Sunbeam - Tiger, Alpine '65-'70 > > > Jim > B382000446 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James E. > Pickard > Sent: July 17, 2008 9:26 PM > To: Tiger List > Subject: [Tigers] Wheels > > I'm going to repaint Tigger. I don't want to paint it with the Panasports > and > T/A Radials on the car. What cheap wheels will fit - something I can pick > up > at a junkyard? Thanks. > > Jim Pickard > B9473298 ('65 Tiger) > AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold > 2003 Mini Cooper > Lafayette, LA > You are subscribed as jim at island.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From TIGEROOTES at aol.com Sat Jul 19 03:24:38 2008 From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 05:24:38 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 293 Message-ID: In a message dated 7/17/2008 11:10:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tigers-request at autox.team.net writes: > From: Thomas Prager > > My generator has crapped out for the third time in three years and just > under 2,500 miles. I get it rebuilt, but it does not last. Perhaps it does > not > like being spun over at 6,000 rpms every time I drive the car? Is there a > permanent fix? Would a larger pulley help? I want to maintain a stock > appearance in the engine bay, so I am not interested in switching to an > alternator or the PowerMaster alternator that looks like a generator. > > thanks, > > tom > Tom, There is a hard-to-get genuine Ford larger diameter pulley that was used in early Shelby applications. I don't have the part number handy, but if you research Shelby sites online I'm sure you can find this rare animal. Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle 9470908 ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sat Jul 19 07:59:21 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:59:21 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 293 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c8e9a7$a6ec3f90$3bb31840@ronpc1> Tom That pulley was used on the Hi Po engines; part # C3OZ-10130-B, year 63/64, diameter = 4.3" Markings on the pulley are C3OF-B,machined part or C3OF-10130-B, stamped steel part. If you have access to a machine shop you could make your own pulley. One good question is; will a pulley from an alternator fit the generator? I don't have the parts available to determine this. The 65 Hi Po alternator pulley C5AZ-10344-C has a diameter of 3.9" Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TIGEROOTES at aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 5:25 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net; tcprager at hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 293 In a message dated 7/17/2008 11:10:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tigers-request at autox.team.net writes: > From: Thomas Prager > > My generator has crapped out for the third time in three years and > just under 2,500 miles. I get it rebuilt, but it does not last. > Perhaps it does not like being spun over at 6,000 rpms every time I > drive the car? Is there a permanent fix? Would a larger pulley help? I > want to maintain a stock appearance in the engine bay, so I am not > interested in switching to an alternator or the PowerMaster alternator > that looks like a generator. > > thanks, > > tom > Tom, There is a hard-to-get genuine Ford larger diameter pulley that was used in early Shelby applications. I don't have the part number handy, but if you research Shelby sites online I'm sure you can find this rare animal. Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle 9470908 ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.1/1560 - Release Date: 7/18/2008 6:47 AM From RSSmithIQ at cs.com Sat Jul 19 10:11:01 2008 From: RSSmithIQ at cs.com (Randy Smith) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 12:11:01 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Top Loader Overdrive Message-ID: <48821215.2010306@cs.com> I've read a bunch of discussions about tranny options, but I'm not certain I ever heard about this one. Or maybe I missed the discussion somewhere. According to an article in the September '08 "Hot Rod Deluxe" mag. (a street rod mag.), there was a Ford Top Loader made briefly in '77 and '78 where they swapped the 3rd and 4th gears and re-ratio'ed so that 3rd was 1:1 and 4th was 0.81:1 It was sold as a 3 speed with overdrive and was used mostly in Pick-up's, Econoline Vans, and ocassionally in a Monarch, Granada and Fairmont. They say it's not quite as robust as a standard Top Loader, but a good option for a lighter vehicle (ala Tiger). Has anyone ever used one of these? Does it work? Does it require a tailshaft swap? Thanks- Randy -- Randy Smith INNER QUEST, Inc. 34752 Charles Town Pike Purcellville, VA 20132 703-478-1078 540-668-6699 540-668-6253 fax InnerQuestOnline.com RSSmithIQ at cs.com Tiger- B382000189 From atwittsend at verizon.net Sat Jul 19 10:41:31 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:41:31 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Top Loader Overdrive References: <48821215.2010306@cs.com> Message-ID: <002301c8e9be$4c252560$0202a8c0@student2> Randy, I have investigated this too. Basically those on the list did NOT advise using this transmission. The spread from 2nd to 3rd is very large. One thing I have considered is that Jeep used a Toploader from 1980 to 1986. They were the T-176, T-177, T-178. The T-178 has a 3.01 first and a rather even spread to the 1:1 final. My theory was to run taller tires in the rear thus getting the 3.01 first about equal to the 2.78 of a regular wide ratio. The effective result would have had the 1:1 final drive equal to a smaller tire setup with some form of overdrive. Would it work? Who knows. I have searched for the T-178 (the trans with the right ratio) for years and never found one. Tom No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.2/1561 - Release Date: 7/18/2008 6:35 PM From TIGEROOTES at aol.com Sat Jul 19 12:36:58 2008 From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:36:58 EDT Subject: [Tigers] 0.81 'overdrive' gearing Message-ID: 7/19/2008 11:05:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tigers-request at autox.team.net writes: > there was a Ford Top Loader made > briefly in '77 and '78 where they swapped the 3rd and 4th gears and > re-ratio'ed so that 3rd was 1:1 and 4th was 0.81: Randy, I have a friend who has a Mk-2 and he uses that transmission. When he first installed it he had its original 2.88 differential gears and the car was WAY overgeared, so he changed to a 3.07 gearset and he says it works well. Personally, I would not want a car that has a 1st gear, a 2nd, a 4th and a 5th gear (essentially). Also, from what I was told there were two different 4th gear (overdrive) ratios available using that setup. Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From alittlemoreink at hotmail.com Sat Jul 19 15:03:06 2008 From: alittlemoreink at hotmail.com (John Crawley) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:03:06 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Top-loader OD. Message-ID: Hi: I have had a cast iron overdrive-top-loader in my in my TIGER for 40,000 miles. I would say there is no reason to state that it is not as robust as the standard top-loader. They are identical except for the layshaft in the O.D. has an oil groove cut in it. Some of these were produced with aluminium cases and these were problematic. As to drivability there IS too large of a gap between 2nd and 3rd but first is just right. They came with two ratios 20% O.D. and 30% O.D. I have the 30% and it is great on the highway. It is not a bolt in installation. . . you can not use the Tiger tailshaft which caused some conversion but this is not hard to do. If you want more information please contact me at alittlemoreink at hotmail.com and I will send you details. Godspeed in Safety Fast Jc _________________________________________________________________ From tgrrr at peoplepc.com Sat Jul 19 17:39:27 2008 From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:39:27 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Torque Arm Message-ID: <001d01c8e9f8$afb205a0$661ff304@bob> Has anybody who is using the Dan Walters torque arm had a problem with the rear of the car getting light under severe deceleration such as during hard braking? Bob H From jteepen at usatoday.com Sat Jul 19 22:14:04 2008 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 00:14:04 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Torque Arm In-Reply-To: <001d01c8e9f8$afb205a0$661ff304@bob> Message-ID: <9FF002B4A98E0F4FB752C81A06F004E9723186AB31@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> Not me. Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Hokanson Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 4:39 PM To: Tigers Subject: [Tigers] Torque Arm Has anybody who is using the Dan Walters torque arm had a problem with the rear of the car getting light under severe deceleration such as during hard braking? Bob H From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Jul 20 07:11:10 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 09:11:10 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Shift knob Message-ID: Can someone tell me the secret to tightening the shift knob against the chrome piece under the knob? The chrome piece has 2 tiny holes in it, but I don't think I have anything that will fit the holes. Mark **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From rande at thecia.net Sun Jul 20 07:31:07 2008 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 09:31:07 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Harrington Lemans V8 Message-ID: <48833e1b.30af.0@thecia.net> Has anyone else noticed the story in the July 2008 edition of Classic and Sportscar, the UK magazine. In Michael Ware's column, Lost & Found (pg 28), he describes a 1962 Harrington Lemans that John Horsman (part of JW Automotive Engineering, the Ford GT developers) took to Des O'Dell to have a Tiger bulkhead and transmission tunnel fitted. According to the story, a Ford GT spec 289 was installed and and the car was used as a test mule for engine modifications during the Ford GT racing program. Concurrently, it was also Horsman's daily driver. Again according to the article, two UK 'enthusiasts" are planning its restoration. Looking at the front view of the car, the LH wing doesn't have a hole for the round indicator of a Harrington, and the RH wing looks to be one from a Series IV or V Alpine with the larger directional mounting hole. The pictures remind me of the supposed faux Harrington Tiger pictures of a dusty car in a lockup from several years ago. Anyone have any more info about the C&SC car other than what Michael Ware wrote about? Rande Bellman B382000048 From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Sun Jul 20 07:11:26 2008 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Duke Samouce) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 09:11:26 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Shift knob In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c8ea6a$1e234500$5a69cf00$@rr.com> +1. I too have this same issue. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:11 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Shift knob Can someone tell me the secret to tightening the shift knob against the chrome piece under the knob? The chrome piece has 2 tiny holes in it, but I don't think I have anything that will fit the holes. Mark **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sun Jul 20 09:42:02 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:42:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Shift knob In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c8ea7f$29918d10$9cb11840@ronpc1> Mark The shift knob should have a jam nut under it. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:11 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Shift knob Can someone tell me the secret to tightening the shift knob against the chrome piece under the knob? The chrome piece has 2 tiny holes in it, but I don't think I have anything that will fit the holes. Mark **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.1/1560 - Release Date: 7/18/2008 6:47 AM From rfraser at bluefrog.com Sun Jul 20 09:54:47 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:54:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 0.81 'overdrive' gearing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c8ea80$f1168ec0$9cb11840@ronpc1> Yes, there were 2 ratios available. There is an article in the September 1982 Hot Rod magazine with Ford part numbers for most if not all the internal parts. The article is basically about converting an overdrive transmission to direct drive. 6 cyl has 20% 3.29 1.84 1.00 .80 8 cyl has 30% 3.07 1.72 1.00 .70 Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TIGEROOTES at aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 2:37 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 0.81 'overdrive' gearing 7/19/2008 11:05:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, tigers-request at autox.team.net writes: > there was a Ford Top Loader made > briefly in '77 and '78 where they swapped the 3rd and 4th gears and > re-ratio'ed so that 3rd was 1:1 and 4th was 0.81: Randy, I have a friend who has a Mk-2 and he uses that transmission. When he first installed it he had its original 2.88 differential gears and the car was WAY overgeared, so he changed to a 3.07 gearset and he says it works well. Personally, I would not want a car that has a 1st gear, a 2nd, a 4th and a 5th gear (essentially). Also, from what I was told there were two different 4th gear (overdrive) ratios available using that setup. Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.1/1560 - Release Date: 7/18/2008 6:47 AM From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Jul 20 10:15:48 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:15:48 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Shift knob Message-ID: I thought that the chrome piece acted as the jam nut. My stock knob doesn't move and there is no jam nut. I assumed that the chrome piece is jammed against the knob. Mark **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 20 11:06:18 2008 From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:06:18 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] [Alpines] Harrington Lemans V8 In-Reply-To: <48833e1b.30af.0@thecia.net> References: <48833e1b.30af.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: HI Rande, its the same car as in Norms book. At the end of the day I guess its an Alger conversion with a Harrington roof!!! I spoke to the seller who seemed to think that it was worth significantly more than a Le Mans or Tiger I think the history he gives may be true or have some truth in it, but it doesn't make it a factory rally car. regards Jeff In message <48833e1b.30af.0 at thecia.net>, rande writes >Has anyone else noticed the story in the July 2008 edition of Classic >and Sportscar, >the UK magazine. > >In Michael Ware's column, Lost & Found (pg 28), he describes a 1962 Harrington >Lemans that John Horsman (part of JW Automotive Engineering, the Ford >GT developers) >took to Des O'Dell to have a Tiger bulkhead and transmission tunnel fitted. >According to the story, a Ford GT spec 289 was installed and and the car was >used as a test mule for engine modifications during the Ford GT racing program. >Concurrently, it was also Horsman's daily driver. > >Again according to the article, two UK 'enthusiasts" are planning its >restoration. > > >Looking at the front view of the car, the LH wing doesn't have a hole for the >round indicator of a Harrington, and the RH wing looks to be one from a Series >IV or V Alpine with the larger directional mounting hole. > >The pictures remind me of the supposed faux Harrington Tiger pictures >of a dusty >car in a lockup from several years ago. > >Anyone have any more info about the C&SC car other than what Michael Ware wrote >about? > >Rande Bellman >B382000048 >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Alpines at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/alpines > >http://www.team.net/archive > -- Jeff Howarth From mrlau at charter.net Sun Jul 20 11:43:42 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:43:42 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Shift knob In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080720174444.NXIF570.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> I would guess there is a tool that fits in the holes to tighten it up. Probably only one existed when they were put together and it is long lost. Check Ebay because there are probably at least a dozen for sale. -- Bill -- I thought that the chrome piece acted as the jam nut. My stock knob doesn't move and there is no jam nut. I assumed that the chrome piece is jammed against the knob. Mark From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Jul 20 12:22:52 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:22:52 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Shift knob Message-ID: There are a bunch of knobs sold as aftermarket items so the tool or method has to be out there. M **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From mmichels at socal.rr.com Sun Jul 20 12:24:14 2008 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:24:14 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Shift knob References: <000001c8ea6a$1e234500$5a69cf00$@rr.com> Message-ID: <013e01c8ea95$d0bc09b0$8a01a8c0@delldimension> Mine has a jam nut below the chrome piece, which seems to be intended to be the bottom part of the knob itself probably to avoid too much pressure on the plastic knob. No special tool, just an end wrench to snug the jam nut against the bottom of the knob/chrome ring. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duke Samouce" To: ; Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 6:11 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shift knob > +1. I too have this same issue. > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > CoolVT at aol.com > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 9:11 AM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Shift knob > > Can someone tell me the secret to tightening the shift knob against the > chrome piece under the knob? The chrome piece has 2 tiny holes in it, > but > I > don't think I have anything that will fit the holes. > Mark > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mmichels at socal.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Jul 20 12:31:30 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:31:30 EDT Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: "Mine has a jam nut below the chrome piece, which seems to be intended to be the bottom part of the knob itself probably to avoid too much pressure on the plastic knob. No special tool, just an end wrench to snug the jam nut against the bottom of the knob/chrome ring." Jamming the chrome piece with a nut will secure the chrome piece, but the knob will then still be free to turn. The chrome piece is also threaded and somehow would have to be jammed against the knob. I think in some aftermarket knobs the chrome piece and the knob are one. In that case using a nut would jam as needed. I've also seen knobs where the separate chrome piece has flats on 2 sides for a wrench. The knob in question, and I think the stock Tiger knob, have 2 tiny holes in the bottom of the chrome piece. M **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Jul 20 12:31:49 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:31:49 EDT Subject: [Tigers] shift knob Message-ID: "Mine has a jam nut below the chrome piece, which seems to be intended to be the bottom part of the knob itself probably to avoid too much pressure on the plastic knob. No special tool, just an end wrench to snug the jam nut against the bottom of the knob/chrome ring." Jamming the chrome piece with a nut will secure the chrome piece, but the knob will then still be free to turn. The chrome piece is also threaded and somehow would have to be jammed against the knob. I think in some aftermarket knobs the chrome piece and the knob are one. In that case using a nut would jam as needed. I've also seen knobs where the separate chrome piece has flats on 2 sides for a wrench. The knob in question, and I think the stock Tiger knob, have 2 tiny holes in the bottom of the chrome piece. M **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From gammaman at mokancomm.net Sun Jul 20 12:36:22 2008 From: gammaman at mokancomm.net (Richard Bruner) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:36:22 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Shift knob References: Message-ID: <00ba01c8ea97$834d4660$6501a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> If I remember correctly, I screwd the chrome bottom piece as far down on the handle as possible so that I would get the greatest amount of thread engagement inside the shift knob, then experimented with positioning the chrome bottom piece such that when I screwed the top black piece down, it would be tight when the shift pattern was positioned properly. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shift knob >I thought that the chrome piece acted as the jam nut. My stock knob > doesn't move and there is no jam nut. I assumed that the chrome piece is > jammed > against the knob. > Mark > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as gammaman at mokancomm.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/1563 - Release Date: 7/20/2008 > 12:59 PM From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sun Jul 20 12:39:13 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:39:13 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Shift knob In-Reply-To: <20080720174444.NXIF570.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> References: <20080720174444.NXIF570.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: <48838651.8060807@SoCal.rr.com> Bill, and Mark, I just went in the garage and looked. My stock 65 Mk I has a round knob, a dished top, and a chrome bottom piece with two vertical holes. There is no "apparent" jam nut. Somehow the assembly is oriented with the correct pattern alignment. I agree with Mark that the knob and the circular dish shaped chrome bottom are actually two pieces, both threaded, and is installed separately, with the dish threaded first, the knob threaded second and aligned near bottom, and the two pronged "wrench" tightening up the dish to jam. The "proof of the pudding" will be when someone unscrews the knob, and sees if the chrome dish remains. HOWEVER use caution if a special wrench is needed to re-install. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com William Lau wrote: > I would guess there is a tool that fits in the holes to tighten it up. > Probably only one existed when they were put together and it is long lost. > Check Ebay because there are probably at least a dozen for sale. -- Bill -- > > > I thought that the chrome piece acted as the jam nut. My stock knob > doesn't move and there is no jam nut. I assumed that the chrome piece is > jammed > against the knob. > Mark From mmichels at socal.rr.com Sun Jul 20 12:41:55 2008 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:41:55 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) References: Message-ID: <015b01c8ea98$49477ed0$8a01a8c0@delldimension> Very possible. I don't know the history of my particular shift knob and it could be an aftermarket item, but it sure looks stock. The plastic knob is also threaded so it pretty much works along with the separate chrome piece below it, which does not have the two drive holes others report. As they say about EPA mileage ratings "yours may differ." ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:31 AM Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) > "Mine has a jam nut below the chrome piece, which seems to be intended to > be > the bottom part of the knob itself probably to avoid too much pressure on > the plastic knob. No special tool, just an end wrench to snug the jam nut > against the bottom of the knob/chrome ring." > > Jamming the chrome piece with a nut will secure the chrome piece, but > the > knob will then still be free to turn. The chrome piece is also threaded > and > somehow would have to be jammed against the knob. I think in some > aftermarket > knobs the chrome piece and the knob are one. In that case using a nut > would > jam as needed. I've also seen knobs where the separate chrome piece has > flats > on 2 sides for a wrench. The knob in question, and I think the stock > Tiger > knob, have 2 tiny holes in the bottom of the chrome piece. > M > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mmichels at socal.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From stubrennan at comcast.net Sun Jul 20 13:03:31 2008 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:03:31 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Shift knob In-Reply-To: <48838651.8060807@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <000001c8ea9b$4e266a30$6601a8c0@Brennan> Steve's description below matches what I had, the lower chrome piece is the jam nut. I replaced mine with a wood knob with a hex jam nut years back, so I didn't have to put the original back on. Using some Loctite I would I assume you could get them positioned correctly, then I've used needle nosed pliers as sort of a spanner wrench to tighten similar nuts where you only have two holes in the "nut". Once the Loctite sets up, you should be all set. Stu Bill, and Mark, I just went in the garage and looked. My stock 65 Mk I has a round knob, a dished top, and a chrome bottom piece with two vertical holes. There is no "apparent" jam nut. Somehow the assembly is oriented with the correct pattern alignment. From modtiger at comcast.net Sun Jul 20 14:04:11 2008 From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:04:11 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Shift knob In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20080720130320.023a9728@comcast.net> At 09:15 AM 7/20/2008, you wrote: >I thought that the chrome piece acted as the jam nut. My stock knob >doesn't move and there is no jam nut. I assumed that the chrome >piece is jammed >against the knob. >Mark Ever hear of blue Loctite? Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net From stubrennan at comcast.net Sun Jul 20 14:41:14 2008 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:41:14 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Shift knob In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20080720130320.023a9728@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000001c8eaa8$f3abd870$6601a8c0@Brennan> Yes, my favorite flavor, the medium grip stuff. "242" as I recall. Holds good but you can get things apart when you want to. Stu >Mark Ever hear of blue Loctite? From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Sun Jul 20 15:53:40 2008 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:53:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hard Top hoist Message-ID: <00d101c8eab3$12a296b0$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> I started with a Thule Rack gutter clamp bar, will attach to yhe top easily without scratching or coming off, put two eye bolts in it and installed pulleys in the structural part of the ceiling and raise it easily and tie it off to cleats on the wall, Clyde From mrlau at charter.net Sun Jul 20 16:49:39 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:49:39 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Shift knob In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20080720130320.023a9728@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20080720225041.XPUE7436.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> I'll bet there were several models. They probably started out with the special tool type and when someone lost it they had to modify it with a jam nut. Since blue Loctite wasn't invented yet they had to improvise but now life is easy. -- Bill -- At 09:15 AM 7/20/2008, you wrote: >I thought that the chrome piece acted as the jam nut. My stock knob >doesn't move and there is no jam nut. I assumed that the chrome >piece is jammed >against the knob. >Mark Ever hear of blue Loctite? Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net From Sjhcobra1 at cs.com Sun Jul 20 18:33:56 2008 From: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Sjhcobra1 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:33:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Shift knob Message-ID: <481698A0.6006260A.028BE4CD@cs.com> I use right angle split ring pliers to hold the jam nut in position. Steve Halbrook CoolVT at aol.com wrote: >Can someone tell me the secret to tightening the shift knob against the >chrome piece under the knob? The chrome piece has 2 tiny holes in it, but I >don't think I have anything that will fit the holes. >Mark > > > >**************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for >FanHouse Fantasy Football today. >(http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as sjhcobra1 at cs.com > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive From harryb at elams.org Sun Jul 20 18:42:23 2008 From: harryb at elams.org (Harry B. Elam) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:42:23 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger shift knob Message-ID: <4883DB6F.1010109@elams.org> Use small needle nose pliers separated the width of the holes in the bottom nut. you can hold the bottom nut this way while tightening the top part to the correct attitude to show the shift pattern. Harry Elam B382000471 From gammaman at mokancomm.net Sun Jul 20 18:45:27 2008 From: gammaman at mokancomm.net (Richard Bruner) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:45:27 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger shift knob References: <4883DB6F.1010109@elams.org> Message-ID: <011401c8eacb$12a12330$6501a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> Or some snap ring pliers will work as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry B. Elam" To: ; Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:42 PM Subject: [Tigers] Tiger shift knob > Use small needle nose pliers separated the width of the holes in the > bottom nut. you can hold the bottom nut this way while tightening the > top part to the correct attitude to show the shift pattern. > > Harry Elam > B382000471 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as gammaman at mokancomm.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/1563 - Release Date: 7/20/2008 > 12:59 PM From larryall at pacbell.net Sun Jul 20 19:09:34 2008 From: larryall at pacbell.net (Larry Allbritton) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] (Tigers) Hard Top hoist Message-ID: <360401.78397.qm@web83004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello Clyde Your comments was the information I have been looking for! I never thought to try and attach a gutter clamp. Do you know if the Thule clamps are available somewhere such as a sporting goods outlet? Thanks again for a great tip. Larry B9472723 Message: 11 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:53:40 -0400 From: "Clyde McLaughlin" Subject: [Tigers] Hard Top hoist To: Message-ID: <00d101c8eab3$12a296b0$6700a8c0 at chesapeake4> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I started with a Thule Rack gutter clamp bar, will attach to yhe top easily without scratching or coming off, put two eye bolts in it and installed pulleys in the structural part of the ceiling and raise it easily and tie it off to cleats on the wall, Clyde From stubrennan at comcast.net Sun Jul 20 19:45:14 2008 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:45:14 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] (Tigers) Hard Top hoist In-Reply-To: <360401.78397.qm@web83004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c8ead3$6c602b20$6601a8c0@Brennan> You don't need expensive Thule stuff to make a hardtop hoist. Just watch the local yard sales or Craig's list for any old gutter clamp ski racks or roof carrier racks that appear strong enough. I still have my old ski racks from the late '70's that I last used for some winter photos with the Tiger, so if some day I come across an electric winch... Stu From macdonald49 at shaw.ca Sun Jul 20 22:49:07 2008 From: macdonald49 at shaw.ca (Peter MacDonald) Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:49:07 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Shift Knob Message-ID: I took a short piece of band iron about 1 1/2" wide, cut a "U" shape out of one end, drilled two holes the appropriate distance apart and had a friendly tech ed teacher braze in two short pieces of drill rod into the holes. Worked like a charm but never went into production for this special tool for tightening the chrome lower ring. Peter From achd73 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 21 03:07:13 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 02:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Shift Knob In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <780985.40118.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> where there is a Mc Donald- there is a way. ttt --- On Sun, 7/20/08, Peter MacDonald wrote: > From: Peter MacDonald > Subject: [Tigers] Shift Knob > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 11:49 PM > I took a short piece of band iron about 1 1/2" wide, > cut a "U" shape > out of one end, drilled two holes the appropriate distance > apart and > had a friendly tech ed teacher braze in two short pieces of > drill rod > into the holes. Worked like a charm but never went into > production > for this special tool for tightening the chrome lower ring. > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as achd73 at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 05:05:29 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:05:29 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] bleeding the drums Message-ID: <39a841b0807210405j5adbdb16g2923992a6230b591@mail.gmail.com> my car is finally on the road after an epic clutch job! thanks to all who helped out over the various issues. i ended up doing a lot more than just the clutch. i was bleeding the brakes yesterday and found that only the left rear side has a bleed nipple. the right side has the pipe running the (i think) the left. is this normal? also i was not able to turn the bleed nipple. the size seems just a bit larger than 3/8 and i can't get a 3/8" wrench on it. its also not 10mm. i tried with an adjustable wrench and WD40 but can't move it. fortunately i'm able to lock up the front wheel(s) after just bleeding the fronts. the end result of the clutch job was the discovery that the wrong flywheel was on there. with the correct 28oz" flywheel, the engine is now super smooth. also the centerforce II clutch is fantastic. (although i did have to move from a 7/8" MC to a 3/4" - 5/8" would probably be even better as the pedal stroke is still short). many thanks. From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Jul 21 09:14:57 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:14:57 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Shift Knob Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F170@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Go to your nearest good cycling shop that stocks Park tools, and you can get one of their pin wrenches. http://www.parktool.com/products/detail.asp?cat=4&item=SPA-2 They make three sizes (three different pin diameters) and you can't beat them for this kind of fastener. IIRC the stock oil filter block adapter hex is the same size as one of Park's headset wrenches as well. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody Sent: July 21, 2008 3:07 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net; Peter MacDonald Subject: Re: [Tigers] Shift Knob where there is a Mc Donald- there is a way. ttt From jteepen at usatoday.com Mon Jul 21 09:25:03 2008 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:25:03 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] bleeding the drums In-Reply-To: <39a841b0807210405j5adbdb16g2923992a6230b591@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9FF002B4A98E0F4FB752C81A06F004E9723186B251@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> Glad to hear of your success with the clutch/flywheel/imbalance issue. The crossover brake line from one brake slave cylinder to the other is normal. Penetrating oil (instead of WD40) may help you get the bleeder loose in the car, but if the bleeder is seized then the proper way forward is to remove the slave cylinder to help facilitate freeing the bleeder, then replace the bleeder with a new one. Good luck! Jere Teepen -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 4:05 AM To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] bleeding the drums my car is finally on the road after an epic clutch job! thanks to all who helped out over the various issues. i ended up doing a lot more than just the clutch. i was bleeding the brakes yesterday and found that only the left rear side has a bleed nipple. the right side has the pipe running the (i think) the left. is this normal? also i was not able to turn the bleed nipple. the size seems just a bit larger than 3/8 and i can't get a 3/8" wrench on it. its also not 10mm. i tried with an adjustable wrench and WD40 but can't move it. fortunately i'm able to lock up the front wheel(s) after just bleeding the fronts. the end result of the clutch job was the discovery that the wrong flywheel was on there. with the correct 28oz" flywheel, the engine is now super smooth. also the centerforce II clutch is fantastic. (although i did have to move from a 7/8" MC to a 3/4" - 5/8" would probably be even better as the pedal stroke is still short). many thanks. From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Jul 21 10:39:50 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:39:50 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] bleeding the drums In-Reply-To: <39a841b0807210405j5adbdb16g2923992a6230b591@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000901c8eb50$67063430$c2b21840@ronpc1> Owain Glad you sorted out the flywheel, clutch, drive train vibration problem. It's strange, all the parts manuals I have show a splitter of some sort for the rear brakes be it a "T" or a "Y" fitting but the Tiger Shop Manual describes the rear brakes having a metal pipe running the length of the rear axle. http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmk13.asp The bleeder screw should be a 7/16" wrench. I use a propane torch on bleeder screws to free them. Heat just the bleeder screw, stay away from any rubber parts, for a couple minutes and you should be able to turn it. Repeat with heat until the bleeder screw turns. For safety I always have an air gun and a wet rag handy to put out any flames that happen. I always use some Never Seize type compound on the threads for the bleeder screws; just the threads, keep the compound away from mixing with the brake fluid and contaminating any of the cylinders. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 7:05 AM To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] bleeding the drums my car is finally on the road after an epic clutch job! thanks to all who helped out over the various issues. i ended up doing a lot more than just the clutch. i was bleeding the brakes yesterday and found that only the left rear side has a bleed nipple. the right side has the pipe running the (i think) the left. is this normal? also i was not able to turn the bleed nipple. the size seems just a bit larger than 3/8 and i can't get a 3/8" wrench on it. its also not 10mm. i tried with an adjustable wrench and WD40 but can't move it. fortunately i'm able to lock up the front wheel(s) after just bleeding the fronts. the end result of the clutch job was the discovery that the wrong flywheel was on there. with the correct 28oz" flywheel, the engine is now super smooth. also the centerforce II clutch is fantastic. (although i did have to move from a 7/8" MC to a 3/4" - 5/8" would probably be even better as the pedal stroke is still short). many thanks. You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.3/1563 - Release Date: 7/20/2008 12:59 PM From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Mon Jul 21 12:56:46 2008 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:56:46 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] bleeding the drums In-Reply-To: <39a841b0807210405j5adbdb16g2923992a6230b591@mail.gmail.com> References: <39a841b0807210405j5adbdb16g2923992a6230b591@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c8eb63$861c7240$6f6cc44a@jerry> It' true the only bleed is on the left side, but be sure to use a flare nut wrench on that fitting (it grabs more sides of the nut) or you will round off the flats for sure. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 6:05 AM To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] bleeding the drums my car is finally on the road after an epic clutch job! thanks to all who helped out over the various issues. i ended up doing a lot more than just the clutch. i was bleeding the brakes yesterday and found that only the left rear side has a bleed nipple. the right side has the pipe running the (i think) the left. is this normal? also i was not able to turn the bleed nipple. the size seems just a bit larger than 3/8 and i can't get a 3/8" wrench on it. its also not 10mm. i tried with an adjustable wrench and WD40 but can't move it. fortunately i'm able to lock up the front wheel(s) after just bleeding the fronts. the end result of the clutch job was the discovery that the wrong flywheel was on there. with the correct 28oz" flywheel, the engine is now super smooth. also the centerforce II clutch is fantastic. (although i did have to move from a 7/8" MC to a 3/4" - 5/8" would probably be even better as the pedal stroke is still short). many thanks. You are subscribed as jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Mon Jul 21 14:30:04 2008 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:30:04 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop Hoist In-Reply-To: <265002.68086.qm@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <265002.68086.qm@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002101c8eb70$8ed35c20$6f6cc44a@jerry> I used an idea I got from a garage bicycle lift, using 6 ball bearing pulleys and a stronger nylon cord. Makes it a one man operation. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Allbritton Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:47 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop Hoist I built a hardtop hoist several years ago and have wanted to improve on its ease of use. I was wondering any Tiger owners have ideas to share on how they built and installed their hoist. Suggestions welcome. Larry B9472723 You are subscribed as jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Jul 21 14:45:14 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:45:14 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop Hoist In-Reply-To: <002101c8eb70$8ed35c20$6f6cc44a@jerry> References: <265002.68086.qm@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002101c8eb70$8ed35c20$6f6cc44a@jerry> Message-ID: <39a841b0807211345t4ba94d96r53f973bb554d75e5@mail.gmail.com> these hard tops sound like a real nightmare. what with winches, unobtainable latches and rusty steel, i wonder why you all bother :) On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 9:30 PM, Jerry wrote: > I used an idea I got from a garage bicycle lift, using 6 ball bearing > pulleys and a stronger nylon cord. Makes it a one man operation. > > Jerry Christopherson > > 9473187 > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Larry Allbritton > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:47 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop Hoist > > I built a hardtop hoist several years ago and have wanted to improve on its > ease of use. > I was wondering any Tiger owners have ideas to share on how they built and > installed their hoist. Suggestions welcome. > > Larry > B9472723 > You are subscribed as jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From mrlau at charter.net Mon Jul 21 15:39:40 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:39:40 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop Hoist In-Reply-To: <39a841b0807211345t4ba94d96r53f973bb554d75e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080721214042.STPR570.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> Pretty much because it is a lot warmer in winter than the convertible top. -- Bill -- these hard tops sound like a real nightmare. what with winches, unobtainable latches and rusty steel, i wonder why you all bother :) On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 9:30 PM, Jerry wrote: > I used an idea I got from a garage bicycle lift, using 6 ball bearing > pulleys and a stronger nylon cord. Makes it a one man operation. > > Jerry Christopherson > > 9473187 > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Larry Allbritton > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:47 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop Hoist > > I built a hardtop hoist several years ago and have wanted to improve on its > ease of use. > I was wondering any Tiger owners have ideas to share on how they built and > installed their hoist. Suggestions welcome. > > Larry > B9472723 > You are subscribed as jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Mon Jul 21 18:56:32 2008 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:56:32 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] hard top Message-ID: <014501c8eb95$c875b1b0$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> My Only Comment to home hade and old cheap ski racks is, HOW MUCH IS YOUR TOP WORTH AFTER IT FALLS 8 FEET TO THE CONCRETE FLOOR ???? mine in perfect condition I'm sure is wurth atleast $2500.00, Clyde From stubrennan at comcast.net Tue Jul 22 08:09:16 2008 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:09:16 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop Hoist In-Reply-To: <20080721214042.STPR570.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: <000001c8ec04$87b2de90$6601a8c0@Brennan> I also find the hardtop superior for doing long distances on summer days. Top down, you are broiled by the sun. Top up, restricted ventilation and rearward view. With the hardtop's flip out windows and larger back window, you have shade, better ventilation with the flip outs open, and better vision to the rear, especially the rear quarter blind spots. Stu From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Tue Jul 22 11:09:05 2008 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:09:05 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 101 cars Message-ID: <000901c8ec1d$a5773980$6f6cc44a@jerry> Just saw the episode of "101 Cars You Should Drive" that talked about the Tiger, pretty cool, would have like to have seen a good burnout, but it was not to be. It was episode #4 "Keeping it in the Family" which is interesting because it said the episode was about The Edsel and the Ferrari Dino. Instead it was about MGA's,Tigers. K-code Chryslers and BMWs. It's always good to get some exposure though. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 From hokey at oasisol.com Tue Jul 22 12:05:47 2008 From: hokey at oasisol.com (Mike Hokanson) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:05:47 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Autocross Video Message-ID: <014901c8ec25$912c16f0$77030a0a@iggy> I just returned from spending a few weeks up in Idaho with my Dad during vacation. While I was there, we took the Tiger over to Deer Park, just north of Spokane, Washington to a two-day autocross on an old airport runway. We swapped tires over to the Hoosier A6's and made a few quick alignment changes just prior to the event. During the two-day event, Dad and I made 26 runs on the car. During lunch on Sunday, a kid that drives a Mazda Miata that had a helmet-cam mounted on his helmet asked me if I would make a few runs with the video camera. So my last three runs on Sunday were taped and he has posted the video on YouTube. He provided me the link and I have included here for the list to see. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mazdaspeed200&search_type=&aq=f Mike Hokanson Fallon, Nevada From larryall at pacbell.net Tue Jul 22 15:22:03 2008 From: larryall at pacbell.net (Larry Allbritton) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] (Tigers) Hardtop Hoist Message-ID: <856400.11301.qm@web83006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello Owain Rust, unobtainable parts, etc is all part of the old car hobby. Plus those enthusiasts who have hardtops require a place to stow them when not in use. I only use mine when the wife is in the car - something about her hair getting blown around bothers her :) Larry B9472723 Message: 3 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:45:14 +0100 From: "Owain Lloyd" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hardtop Hoist To: Jerry Cc: tigers at autox.team.net, Larry Allbritton Message-ID: <39a841b0807211345t4ba94d96r53f973bb554d75e5 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 these hard tops sound like a real nightmare. what with winches, unobtainable latches and rusty steel, i wonder why you all bother :) From larryall at pacbell.net Tue Jul 22 15:24:18 2008 From: larryall at pacbell.net (Larry Allbritton) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] (Tigers) Hard Top Message-ID: <838931.83296.qm@web83004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Clyde Mine won't fall because I will also have webbelt saddle surrounding it from underneath as a safety backup. Regards, Larry Message: 5 Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:56:32 -0400 From: "Clyde McLaughlin" Subject: [Tigers] hard top To: Message-ID: <014501c8eb95$c875b1b0$6700a8c0 at chesapeake4> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" My Only Comment to home hade and old cheap ski racks is, HOW MUCH IS YOUR TOP WORTH AFTER IT FALLS 8 FEET TO THE CONCRETE FLOOR ???? mine in perfect condition I'm sure is wurth atleast $2500.00, Clyde From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 15:26:39 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:26:39 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] (Tigers) Hardtop Hoist In-Reply-To: <856400.11301.qm@web83006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <856400.11301.qm@web83006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0807221426s38282d27h26672539e5843dba@mail.gmail.com> that was pointed out to me ... just kidding of course :) i was once at a stop light in chicago with my wife in the passenger seat trying to tie her hair up and some guy in a huge SUV pulled up beside us, lent out and offered her an elastic band. On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Larry Allbritton wrote: > Hello Owain > Rust, unobtainable parts, etc is all part of the old car hobby. Plus those enthusiasts who have hardtops require a place to stow them when not in use. I only use mine when the wife is in the car - something about her hair getting blown around bothers her :) > > Larry > B9472723 > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:45:14 +0100 > From: "Owain Lloyd" > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hardtop Hoist > To: Jerry > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net, Larry Allbritton > Message-ID: > <39a841b0807211345t4ba94d96r53f973bb554d75e5 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > these hard tops sound like a real nightmare. what with winches, > unobtainable latches and rusty steel, i wonder why you all bother :) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From cmccann at lwpb.com Tue Jul 22 15:28:20 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:28:20 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] (Tigers) Hardtop Hoist In-Reply-To: <856400.11301.qm@web83006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <856400.11301.qm@web83006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473350CD58E6@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> "I only use mine when the wife is in the car - something about her hair getting blown around bothers her" Larry, I'm glad I'm not the only one with that problem. I get the same concern from my wife, plus others....including but not limited to exhaust fumes that seem more pronounced than her car, too loud to hear the radio, too loud to talk, and no air conditioning.... I keep telling her I can give her air conditioning....just need to take the top off....but then we get into the hair thing again.... Cullen From DJoh797014 at aol.com Tue Jul 22 17:00:55 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:00:55 EDT Subject: [Tigers] bleeding the drums Message-ID: They make special brake wrenches that allow you to slip the wrench over a brake line. But I never use these on bleeders. Find the correct size socket (1/4) and use that. Using anything else will just round the bleeder. Careful to not break the bleeder off. In a message dated 7/21/2008 6:06:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, owain.lloyd at gmail.com writes: my car is finally on the road after an epic clutch job! thanks to all who helped out over the various issues. i ended up doing a lot more than just the clutch. i was bleeding the brakes yesterday and found that only the left rear side has a bleed nipple. the right side has the pipe running the (i think) the left. is this normal? also i was not able to turn the bleed nipple. the size seems just a bit larger than 3/8 and i can't get a 3/8" wrench on it. its also not 10mm. i tried with an adjustable wrench and WD40 but can't move it. fortunately i'm able to lock up the front wheel(s) after just bleeding the fronts. the end result of the clutch job was the discovery that the wrong flywheel was on there. with the correct 28oz" flywheel, the engine is now super smooth. also the centerforce II clutch is fantastic. (although i did have to move from a 7/8" MC to a 3/4" - 5/8" would probably be even better as the pedal stroke is still short). many thanks. You are subscribed as djoh797014 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Jul 22 17:04:57 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:04:57 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] bleeding the drums In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39a841b0807221604o70500cd7n9e25a213b8225a7@mail.gmail.com> i tried that but i couldn't find a socket that would fit - 6 sided and 12 sided. as i mentioned its a little larger than 3/8". i even tried metric. i may have to file each face clean and perhaps a 3/8 would fit right on then. On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:00 AM, wrote: > They make special brake wrenches that allow you to slip the wrench over > a brake line. But I never use these on bleeders. Find the correct size > socket (1/4) and use that. Using anything else will just round the > bleeder. Careful to not break the bleeder off. > > In a message dated 7/21/2008 6:06:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > owain.lloyd at gmail.com writes: > > my car is finally on the road after an epic clutch job! thanks to all > who helped out over the various issues. i ended up doing a lot more > than just the clutch. > > i was bleeding the brakes yesterday and found that only the left rear > side has a bleed nipple. the right side has the pipe running the (i > think) the left. is this normal? also i was not able to turn the > bleed nipple. the size seems just a bit larger than 3/8 and i can't > get a 3/8" wrench on it. its also not 10mm. i tried with an > adjustable wrench and WD40 but can't move it. fortunately i'm able to > lock up the front wheel(s) after just bleeding the fronts. > > the end result of the clutch job was the discovery that the wrong > flywheel was on there. with the correct 28oz" flywheel, the engine is > now super smooth. also the centerforce II clutch is fantastic. > (although i did have to move from a 7/8" MC to a 3/4" - 5/8" would > probably be even better as the pedal stroke is still short). > > many thanks. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as djoh797014 at aol.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > ________________________________ > Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy > Football today. From PhastPhill at aol.com Tue Jul 22 17:09:09 2008 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:09:09 EDT Subject: [Tigers] (Tigers) Hardtop Hoist Message-ID: Radio in a Tiger? Sorry that's not what I want to hear.....lol From milward at roadrunner.com Tue Jul 22 18:56:50 2008 From: milward at roadrunner.com (Bill Rogers Motorsport Memories) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:56:50 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Some Tiger History Message-ID: This last weekend was the Ventura Motorsports Gathering in downtown Ventura, CA for racing and sports cars. I took the only Tiger and Jay Laifman took his Alpine. It is a new show modeled after the Quail get-together at Monterey. Tigers were outnumbered 20:1 by Ferraris and there were about 250 European and US sports and race cars including "Old Yaller" and many exotics and rare machines; a perfect Pegaso took best of show. An absolutely terrific event and Darrell Mountjoy should definitely bring his Le Mans car next year. While I was there a gentleman came up to me and introduced himself as Scooter Patrick and told me he was a Tiger dealer in the '60s as PAM Foreign Car Service in Manhattan Beach. Yes, he was the same Scooter Patrick who drove Porsches for Otto Zipper. At the time he was competing with Larry Reed for Tiger sales. He then told me a story about a special Tiger they put together at the very end with a fast back body, similar to the Harrington, and various other mods. The car was shown to Chrysler and exhibited on the Chrysler stand at an Auto show. Nothing came of the project and the car disappeared. Has anyone heard of this before? I have seen nothing in the books other than some odd styling exercises. Scooter is now involved in vintage aircraft at Rialto and as an aircraft guy I had a long conversation about that. It might be fruitful for one of the CAT historians to track him down and interview him properly as this could be another interesting side bar to Tiger lore. Bill Rogers From rtscolgan at yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 22:21:31 2008 From: rtscolgan at yahoo.com (Russ and Tammy C.) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] 6 bolt bell housing Message-ID: <790398.37542.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I need to know the best place to start looking for a 6 bolt bell housing to fit a top loader 4 speed. Any ideas? Thanks, Russ From maliburevue at yahoo.com Tue Jul 22 22:26:44 2008 From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary Crandall) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:26:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Rust Remover In-Reply-To: <790398.37542.qm@web50903.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <422493.97331.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anybody try this stuff? http://www.evaporust.com From motoys2001 at comcast.net Wed Jul 23 05:16:35 2008 From: motoys2001 at comcast.net (motoys2001 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:16:35 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] 6 bolt bell housing Message-ID: <072320081116.27026.488713130002B85F000069922213575333CECFCFCD9C97019B0103@comcast.net> http://www.quicktimeinc.com/products.html part#6063 I believe good luck From cmccann at lwpb.com Wed Jul 23 06:26:56 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:26:56 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] (Tigers) Hardtop Hoist In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473350CD5921@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> You got me...., actually my Tiger is in restoration; I confess I was referring to the same situation in my other cars. The Tiger does not have a radio... Radio in a Tiger? Sorry that's not what I want to hear.....lol From mrlau at charter.net Wed Jul 23 09:03:36 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:03:36 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Rust Remover In-Reply-To: <422493.97331.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080723150439.IGHS570.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> Gary, I have never tried that stuff but PPG sells Chemfil DX 579 metal cleaner and Ditzler has one that is virtually identical that can be bought in automotive paint stores. It was used to take rust off before painting sheetmetal and is very quick at rust removal. Parts can be immersed in it for a long time with no effect on the metal also. I think it is just phosphoric acid with some alcohol in it. The price was very nominal but I haven't bought any for some time. It is a gallon which mixes with two parts water. Automotive paint stores may have a different brand but it will be the same stuff. Likely the evaporust is the same thing also.-- Bill -- Anybody try this stuff? http://www.evaporust.com _______________________________________________ From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net Wed Jul 23 09:37:38 2008 From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] 2008 VENTURA BRITISH CAR SHOW - July 27th - Oxnard, CA Message-ID: <15059585.1216827458371.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> The Central Coast British Car Club Presents: THE EIGHTEENTH ANNUAL VENTURA COUNTY BRITISH CAR SHOW Channel Islands Harbour * July 27th, 2008 Join us for a great afternoon at our wonderful waterfront location at the Channel Islands Harbour. This year we are honoring the Austin Healey marque, featuring the 50th anniversary of the Bugeye Sprite. There will be food, entertainment, vendors, and a swap meet and some of the finest British Cars in Southern California. Oxnard is but a short and lovely drive up the coast from Los Angeles b Come to Oxnard, enjoy the show, enjoy the ride, be back by supper b SEE YOU THERE!!! Website: www.centralcoastbritishcarclub.com INFORMATION: Gary Rice (805) 644-3290 Bill Guzman (805) 484-1528 From sralsten at ca.rr.com Wed Jul 23 09:59:25 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:59:25 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 101 Cars Message-ID: <32553007.627281216828765204.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web04-z02> It was really dissapointing. The audio man made the MGA engine sound far beefier than the Tiger. No detailed shots of the car or pushing it acceleration or handling wise. I think the MGA and the Kcar got more screentime. It's really a lousy show anyway, not just this episode. Poor script, untalented clueless star and too little time spent on any car. I'd rather see it done in hour shows or cut the list to Top 50 cars you must drive. How is the Kcar a top car "you must drive" ? maybe one you need to know about historically or to avoid a purchase but DRIVE ? Come on. I recall a show that featured really exotic classic cars and had gorgeous photography including lots of nook and cranny shots and pretty country road drives. I can't recall the title, anyone know ? Steve Just saw the episode of "101 Cars You Should Drive" that talked about the Tiger, pretty cool, would have like to have seen a good burnout, but it was not to be. It was episode #4 "Keeping it in the Family" which is interesting because it said the episode was about The Edsel and the Ferrari Dino. Instead it was about MGA's,Tigers. K-code Chryslers and BMWs. It's always good to get some exposure though. Jerry Christopherson From cmccann at lwpb.com Wed Jul 23 10:05:10 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:05:10 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 101 Cars In-Reply-To: <32553007.627281216828765204.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web04-z02> References: <32553007.627281216828765204.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web04-z02> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473350CD59B6@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> "I recall a show that featured really exotic classic cars and had gorgeous photography including lots of nook and cranny shots and pretty country road drives. I can't recall the title, anyone know ? I think " My Classic Car" with Dennis Gage is a lot like that...he pretty much give equal and fair screentime and attention to everything he drives....I wish they would put a Tiger on that show. I met the guy at autorama in dallas, he's a really nice guy. Goofy mustache.... Cullen From mwood24020 at aol.com Wed Jul 23 10:12:24 2008 From: mwood24020 at aol.com (mwood24020 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:12:24 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] 101 Cars Message-ID: <599760556-1216829528-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1025426410-@bxe122.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Sounds like the Victory by Design series, hosted by Alan de Cadenet....great show which featured a single marque for an hour. ------Original Message------ From: sralsten at ca.rr.com Sender: tigers-bounces+mwood24020=aol.com at autox.team.net To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Jul 23, 2008 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] 101 Cars It was really dissapointing. The audio man made the MGA engine sound far beefier than the Tiger. No detailed shots of the car or pushing it acceleration or handling wise. I think the MGA and the Kcar got more screentime. It's really a lousy show anyway, not just this episode. Poor script, untalented clueless star and too little time spent on any car. I'd rather see it done in hour shows or cut the list to Top 50 cars you must drive. How is the Kcar a top car "you must drive" ? maybe one you need to know about historically or to avoid a purchase but DRIVE ? Come on. I recall a show that featured really exotic classic cars and had gorgeous photography including lots of nook and cranny shots and pretty country road drives. I can't recall the title, anyone know ? Steve Just saw the episode of "101 Cars You Should Drive" that talked about the Tiger, pretty cool, would have like to have seen a good burnout, but it was not to be. It was episode #4 "Keeping it in the Family" which is interesting because it said the episode was about The Edsel and the Ferrari Dino. Instead it was about MGA's,Tigers. K-code Chryslers and BMWs. It's always good to get some exposure though. Jerry Christopherson _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as mwood24020 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Jul 23 10:46:54 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:46:54 EDT Subject: [Tigers] 101 Cars Message-ID: I agree with the comments on the show. I saw the first episode and forgot to watch this week. I guess that says a lot about how impressed I was. It seems that the show is only going to be allowed to actually drive any car that isn't too valuable. In the first show they talked about the Ply. Firebird (with the wing). I expected a lap around a track in a hemi at 150 mph. Even if the host wasn't allowed to drive at least he would be in the passenger seat. Anyway I think he got a ride in a Roadrunner or something. If you can't at least get an owner to let you ride in the car don't put the car on the show. Hey, Tim Studdard was able to get to drive $500,000 Cobras for his Classic Motorsports article. I might try to watch for the Tiger episode to come on, but I won't lose any sleep if I miss it. It's a pretty disappointing show to me. Mark **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From jteepen at usatoday.com Wed Jul 23 11:12:22 2008 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:12:22 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 101 Cars In-Reply-To: <32553007.627281216828765204.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web04-z02> Message-ID: <9FF002B4A98E0F4FB752C81A06F004E9723193BCEF@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> The show you are refering to may have been Victory By Design hosted bt Alain DeCadinet (sp?). That was shown frequently on Speed a few years ago. As for 101 Cars... I believe the intent is to have a show that moves quickly for todays short attention span viewers. Alonzo Bodden is, in my opinion, doing a fine job. I had an opportunity to meet him a few weeks ago and he is a genuine and well informed automotive enthusiast, and genuinely enjoyed the Tiger. Given the shows format, only so much information can be included for each car. Also, these shows are independent productions that are typically produced on barely more than shoestring budgets. We get what they pay for. Jere Teepen -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten at ca.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 8:59 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 101 Cars It was really dissapointing. The audio man made the MGA engine sound far beefier than the Tiger. No detailed shots of the car or pushing it acceleration or handling wise. I think the MGA and the Kcar got more screentime. It's really a lousy show anyway, not just this episode. Poor script, untalented clueless star and too little time spent on any car. I'd rather see it done in hour shows or cut the list to Top 50 cars you must drive. How is the Kcar a top car "you must drive" ? maybe one you need to know about historically or to avoid a purchase but DRIVE ? Come on. I recall a show that featured really exotic classic cars and had gorgeous photography including lots of nook and cranny shots and pretty country road drives. I can't recall the title, anyone know ? Steve Just saw the episode of "101 Cars You Should Drive" that talked about the Tiger, pretty cool, would have like to have seen a good burnout, but it was not to be. It was episode #4 "Keeping it in the Family" which is interesting because it said the episode was about The Edsel and the Ferrari Dino. Instead it was about MGA's,Tigers. K-code Chryslers and BMWs. It's always good to get some exposure though. Jerry Christopherson You are subscribed as jteepen at usatoday.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From jteepen at usatoday.com Wed Jul 23 11:13:13 2008 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:13:13 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 101 Cars Message-ID: <9FF002B4A98E0F4FB752C81A06F004E9723193BCF3@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> The show you are refering to may have been Victory By Design hosted bt Alain DeCadinet (sp?). That was shown frequently on Speed a few years ago. As for 101 Cars... I believe the intent is to have a show that moves quickly for todays short attention span viewers. Alonzo Bodden is, in my opinion, doing a fine job. I had an opportunity to meet him a few weeks ago and he is a genuine and well informed automotive enthusiast, and genuinely enjoyed the Tiger. Given the shows format, only so much information can be included for each car. Also, these shows are independent productions that are typically produced on barely more than shoestring budgets. We get what they pay for. Jere Teepen -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten at ca.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 8:59 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 101 Cars It was really dissapointing. The audio man made the MGA engine sound far beefier than the Tiger. No detailed shots of the car or pushing it acceleration or handling wise. I think the MGA and the Kcar got more screentime. It's really a lousy show anyway, not just this episode. Poor script, untalented clueless star and too little time spent on any car. I'd rather see it done in hour shows or cut the list to Top 50 cars you must drive. How is the Kcar a top car "you must drive" ? maybe one you need to know about historically or to avoid a purchase but DRIVE ? Come on. I recall a show that featured really exotic classic cars and had gorgeous photography including lots of nook and cranny shots and pretty country road drives. I can't recall the title, anyone know ? Steve Just saw the episode of "101 Cars You Should Drive" that talked about the Tiger, pretty cool, would have like to have seen a good burnout, but it was not to be. It was episode #4 "Keeping it in the Family" which is interesting because it said the episode was about The Edsel and the Ferrari Dino. Instead it was about MGA's,Tigers. K-code Chryslers and BMWs. It's always good to get some exposure though. Jerry Christopherson From jteepen at usatoday.com Wed Jul 23 11:20:31 2008 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:20:31 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 101 Cars In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473350CD59B6@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: <9FF002B4A98E0F4FB752C81A06F004E97231992B09@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> My Classic Car has been around for about 12(?)years now. It seems to me the show has become more advertising content ($$$ makes the world go around...) than event or car coverage. Trivia: I read, years ago, that Dennis Gage was in the food industry as a chemist. Look at the character on a can of Pringles potato chips, look familiar? The character is patterened after Dennis Gage. Urban legend? Beats me, but an interesting connection if true. Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:05 AM To: sralsten at ca.rr.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] 101 Cars "I recall a show that featured really exotic classic cars and had gorgeous photography including lots of nook and cranny shots and pretty country road drives. I can't recall the title, anyone know ? I think " My Classic Car" with Dennis Gage is a lot like that...he pretty much give equal and fair screentime and attention to everything he drives....I wish they would put a Tiger on that show. I met the guy at autorama in dallas, he's a really nice guy. Goofy mustache.... Cullen From sralsten at ca.rr.com Wed Jul 23 12:50:33 2008 From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:50:33 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Re 101 Cars Message-ID: <33091690.662541216839034053.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web27-z02> Thanks, thats the one. Does it air ever these days ? or can a set of DVD's be purchased ? It really was good. Steve The show you are refering to may have been Victory By Design hosted bt Alain DeCadinet (sp?). That was shown frequently on Speed a few years ago. From jteepen at usatoday.com Wed Jul 23 13:07:49 2008 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:07:49 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Re 101 Cars In-Reply-To: <33091690.662541216839034053.JavaMail.root@cdptpa-web27-z02> Message-ID: <9FF002B4A98E0F4FB752C81A06F004E97231992DB2@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> Go to www.victorybydesign.com and they are available. Enjoy! Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten at ca.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 11:51 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Re 101 Cars Thanks, thats the one. Does it air ever these days ? or can a set of DVD's be purchased ? It really was good. Steve The show you are refering to may have been Victory By Design hosted bt Alain DeCadinet (sp?). That was shown frequently on Speed a few years ago. From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Wed Jul 23 13:25:34 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:25:34 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 101 Cars In-Reply-To: <599760556-1216829528-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1025426410-@bxe122.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <599760556-1216829528-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1025426410-@bxe122.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <488785AE.5010809@SoCal.rr.com> Tigers, I was recently introduced to the RM Auctions web site. It references Alain de Cadenet as hosting an ESPN/ESPN2 and the R-M auctions of Jan 18. Very interesting reading, and the show is being repeated a number of times. For your convenience, here is some references: 0700 Last Sunday: "Rm Auctions: on The Auction Block" ESPN2 and ESPNHD. and 9:00 am, http://sports.espn.go.com/espntv/espnGuide gives a schedule by hour and day, but unfortunately does not allow a "search" for other show times. *However*, a Direct Link to the *RM* schedule is on: http://www.rmauctions.com/email/espn/television_schedule.html Which specifies: /"ESPN and ESPN2 on Sunday's August 3 (10 am PDT), 10 (//10 am PDT)//, and 24 (8 am PDT). Alain de Cadenet hosting auction of about 100 vintage cars. Do NOT know if these are repeats, or additional unscreened segments. The original auction was January 18 - "Automobiles of Arizona" at the Arizona Biltmore Resort & Spa, Phoenix, Arizona." / A COMPLETE list of offerings and results can be found at: http://www.rmauctions.com/AuctionResults.cfm?SaleCode=AZ08 Record or watch is recommended. COMING UP: Interesting cars on August 15-16 Monterey Auctions: http://www.rmauctions.com/Default.cfm?SaleCode=MO08 Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.comTiger From crbernardino at mac.com Wed Jul 23 13:31:22 2008 From: crbernardino at mac.com (Rob Bernardino) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:31:22 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Pringles Can Message-ID: I concur with the 101 Cars show - but better being on Tv than not. As for Pringles, urban legend. However, the inventor of the Pringles can was at Proctor and Gamble and he recently passed away. He decided to get cremated and buried in one of his cans - not an urban legend. Rob Pringles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Wed Jul 23 14:04:12 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:04:12 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Re 101 Cars In-Reply-To: <9FF002B4A98E0F4FB752C81A06F004E97231992DB2@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> References: <9FF002B4A98E0F4FB752C81A06F004E97231992DB2@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> Message-ID: <48878EBC.2020700@SoCal.rr.com> Thanks, Jere, for the Link. Just "click" on the "PLAY" button in the upper left hand window, and see and hear Alain put some very nice wheels around a road. Remember, have your SOUND on. http://www.victorybydesign.com/ Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Teepen, Jere wrote: > Go to www.victorybydesign.com and they are available. > > Enjoy! > > Jere From stubrennan at comcast.net Wed Jul 23 15:00:54 2008 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:00:54 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 101 Cars In-Reply-To: <488785AE.5010809@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <000001c8ed07$3361a390$6601a8c0@Brennan> Speaking of Alain de Cadenet, he's not always as smooth and composed as he seems in those shows on Speed.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRV8I6bhHqw Stu From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Jul 23 17:22:47 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Autocross Video Message-ID: <214522.71468.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Great Video! The car sounds and drives great. How did you end up doing? Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Mike Hokanson To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:05:47 AM Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Autocross Video I just returned from spending a few weeks up in Idaho with my Dad during vacation. While I was there, we took the Tiger over to Deer Park, just north of Spokane, Washington to a two-day autocross on an old airport runway. We swapped tires over to the Hoosier A6's and made a few quick alignment changes just prior to the event. During the two-day event, Dad and I made 26 runs on the car. During lunch on Sunday, a kid that drives a Mazda Miata that had a helmet-cam mounted on his helmet asked me if I would make a few runs with the video camera. So my last three runs on Sunday were taped and he has posted the video on YouTube. He provided me the link and I have included here for the list to see. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mazdaspeed200&search_type=&aq=f Mike Hokanson Fallon, Nevada You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Jul 23 17:22:48 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Autocross Video Message-ID: <103415.52299.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Great Video! The car sounds and drives great. How did you end up doing? Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Mike Hokanson To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:05:47 AM Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Autocross Video I just returned from spending a few weeks up in Idaho with my Dad during vacation. While I was there, we took the Tiger over to Deer Park, just north of Spokane, Washington to a two-day autocross on an old airport runway. We swapped tires over to the Hoosier A6's and made a few quick alignment changes just prior to the event. During the two-day event, Dad and I made 26 runs on the car. During lunch on Sunday, a kid that drives a Mazda Miata that had a helmet-cam mounted on his helmet asked me if I would make a few runs with the video camera. So my last three runs on Sunday were taped and he has posted the video on YouTube. He provided me the link and I have included here for the list to see. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mazdaspeed200&search_type=&aq=f Mike Hokanson Fallon, Nevada You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From landcmitch at aol.com Wed Jul 23 17:31:19 2008 From: landcmitch at aol.com (landcmitch at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:31:19 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 101 Cars In-Reply-To: <000001c8ed07$3361a390$6601a8c0@Brennan> Message-ID: <8CABB3357A417A0-374-485F@webmail-nd12.sysops.aol.com> A typical RAF trick - While the Spitfire is being lauded, try to take the poor blokes head off with it... Charlie -----Original Message----- From: Stu Brennan To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 2:00 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] 101 Cars Speaking of Alain de Cadenet, he's not always as smooth and composed as he seems in those shows on Speed.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRV8I6bhHqw Stu You are subscribed as landcmitch at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From alpdavegre at msn.com Wed Jul 23 22:18:00 2008 From: alpdavegre at msn.com (DAVID GREEN) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:18:00 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] rust remover Message-ID: Gary & All Listers, I have used Evapo-rust. Works great! Does what is stated and won't affect rubber, plastic, paint (unless rust is under paint), chrome, brass, etc. The only bad thing is it does not last forever. I did use the heck out of it for four months before it got very weak. It starts clear but will turn black with use. Works like a charm on cast iron. Just be sure to treat the metal after dipping and cleaning or it does start rusting quickly. Make sure the piece you are dipping is grease free. I highly recommend it. I have yet to try rust-beeter supposedly made from beets. Dave Green & B9472549LRXFE (Miss Kitty) From todbrown at roadrunner.com Thu Jul 24 12:42:03 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:42:03 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Alain de Cadenet on Youtube Message-ID: <4888CCFB.2080700@roadrunner.com> Ah, the old take your head off with a Spitfire trick! Tod B382002384LRXFE From mrlau at charter.net Thu Jul 24 15:40:59 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:40:59 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] rust remover In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080724214229.GTFB570.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> I didn't realize when I made my first post about the PPG product that I have some Evapo-rust. I found it in my paint cabinet and recognized the name from these posts. Someone gave me four or five of them to try about 2 years ago. I tried them a little and poured one of the containers out and put some of the PPG stuff in it and gave it back to let him try. I do know that the PPG stuff will dry your skin and long term use might be much worse whereas the Evapo-rust chemical seems to be and is claimed to be very mild. The PPG chemical works at least 10 times as well but the difference is whether you can still find it and are you willing to use a stronger and hence possibly more dangerous chemical. I got a lot of this stuff on my hands when I used it to paint cars a long time ago and it didn't bother me but that is no guarantee that it won't bother someone else. It is important to follow all directions because they cover all people. -- Bill -- Gary & All Listers, I have used Evapo-rust. Works great! Does what is stated and won't affect rubber, plastic, paint (unless rust is under paint), chrome, brass, etc. The only bad thing is it does not last forever. I did use the heck out of it for four months before it got very weak. It starts clear but will turn black with use. Works like a charm on cast iron. Just be sure to treat the metal after dipping and cleaning or it does start rusting quickly. Make sure the piece you are dipping is grease free. I highly recommend it. I have yet to try rust-beeter supposedly made from beets. Dave Green & B9472549LRXFE (Miss Kitty) _______________________________________________ From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Thu Jul 24 16:32:04 2008 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:32:04 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Victory by design Message-ID: <001f01c8eddd$1981ee40$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> I have the complete set of Victory By Design, they are great, to bad he hasn't done a complete on the Tiger and Shelby Autos....I have a 66 jag coupe and love the Jag Tape, and the Ferrari one has cars you will never see, Clyde From todbrown at roadrunner.com Thu Jul 24 20:40:44 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:40:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Front Suspension Message-ID: <48893D2C.5030207@roadrunner.com> Hello All: Two years ago I had some work done on my Tiger which included rebuilding the steering column and replacing the lower fulcrum pins with ones from Doug Jennings. The process got me interested in some of the various issues involved with the front suspension and, while doing some searching on the web and looking at some of the discussions that have taken place on the various Tiger sites, I became aware of a couple of people who were designing complete replacements for the Tiger front suspension. Since that time, I have not heard much about these efforts and wondered if anyone could provide an update on the status of these projects and whether or not they might become available in the near future. One of the companies involved in the development of the Tiger front suspension, I believe, is Fast Cars, Inc. which advertises a similar product for MGBs, but I don't see any mention of the Tiger on their web site at http://www.fastcars.com. The other link I found is at http://toyzjunkie.com/New_Tiger_Suspension.htm but I couldn't find any contact info on the site. It's mentioned that the prototype was at the 2007 Tigers United in Grants Pass, OR. Did anyone on the list see the car and talk to the guy? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks, Tod B382002384LRXFE From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net Thu Jul 24 22:00:54 2008 From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:00:54 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Front Suspension In-Reply-To: <48893D2C.5030207@roadrunner.com> References: <48893D2C.5030207@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <48894FF6.4010508@cox.net> Tod: You'll probably hear from the Hokansons' (sp?) on this--they're the ones with the suspension set-up mentioned below, but the last time this came up, I gathered that the response to their system is so overwhelming that they've got a huge backlog of orders. I saw the suspension on Bud's Tiger up in Anaheim and it looked incredibly slick. Since they're not set up to mass produce these (or I gathered they weren't--that might have changed), it would explain the backlog of orders. Best Regards David Sosna Tod Brown wrote: > Hello All: > The other link I found is at > http://toyzjunkie.com/New_Tiger_Suspension.htm but I couldn't find any > contact info on the site. It's > mentioned that the prototype was at the 2007 Tigers United in Grants > Pass, OR. Did anyone on the > list see the car and talk to the guy? Any info would be appreciated. > Thanks, > Tod > B382002384LRXFE > _______________________________________________ From motoys2001 at comcast.net Fri Jul 25 06:33:46 2008 From: motoys2001 at comcast.net (motoys2001 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:33:46 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Chicagoland Historic Car Show & Races Message-ID: <072520081233.27635.4889C82A000A6C1E00006BF32200761064CECFCFCD9C97019B0103@comcast.net> Hello Listers, Please check this out. The Bobby Rahal Historic Races at the Autobahn Joliet Illinois Aug 22-24. http://www.autobahnhistorics.com/ WDRV, The Drive FM, and Meguiars are presenting a vintage car show on Friday Aug 22. Registration is free (register online, link below) and spectators get in after 2pm for only $15 per carload (if I am understanding the flyer correctly)! Show starts at 2pm on he Autobahn Country Club show grounds, then a parade lap after the days races on the FULL course. Show cars will then be displayed ON TRACK from 6pm 'till whenever. Peoples choice awards. Live R&B provided by Lake Effect at 5pm. Races, open paddock, free car show entry, parade lap(s), show cars park on track, live band, $15 per carload spectator admission... this is a great deal. You can also register online for a chance to win weekend VIP passes valued at $400! http://wdrv.com/specialOffer.php?contestid=autobahn08 If you have any direct questions, please contact Blake Hennessy b.hennessy at essyracing.com 630-546-7978 Please feel free to pass this info on. Regards, Henry V From jteepen at usatoday.com Fri Jul 25 10:00:26 2008 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:00:26 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] FW: Ralphs- Off system? Message-ID: <9FF002B4A98E0F4FB752C81A06F004E97231A46670@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> Please report any off system Ralph's stores to Sandra ASAP, include the information requested below. Thanks, Jere ________________________________ From: Wood, Pete Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:26 PM To: Teepen, Jere Subject: FW: Ralphs- Off system? Please forward to team members. ________________________________ From: Harwood, Sandra Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:48 AM To: Hildebrand, Bill; Wood, Pete; Mossler, Jim; Badger, Diana; O'Donnell, John J; Lammey, David Cc: Lack, David Subject: Ralphs- Off system? Do you have any Ralphs that are off the system? If so please provide dist/route, address and if a rack or newsstand or both.... Thanks, Sandra From drmayf at mayfco.com Fri Jul 25 10:05:48 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:05:48 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] FW: Ralphs- Off system? In-Reply-To: <9FF002B4A98E0F4FB752C81A06F004E97231A46670@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> References: <9FF002B4A98E0F4FB752C81A06F004E97231A46670@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> Message-ID: <4889F9DC.2030506@mayfco.com> Excuse me, but just what the hell does this mean? mayf Teepen, Jere wrote: >Please report any off system Ralph's stores to Sandra ASAP, include the >information requested below. > >Thanks, > >Jere > >________________________________ >From: Wood, Pete >Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 11:26 PM >To: Teepen, Jere >Subject: FW: Ralphs- Off system? > >Please forward to team members. >________________________________ >From: Harwood, Sandra >Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 9:48 AM >To: Hildebrand, Bill; Wood, Pete; Mossler, Jim; Badger, Diana; O'Donnell, John >J; Lammey, David >Cc: Lack, David >Subject: Ralphs- Off system? > >Do you have any Ralphs that are off the system? If so please provide >dist/route, address and if a rack or newsstand or both.... > >Thanks, Sandra >_______________________________________________ From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Jul 25 10:07:00 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:07:00 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] FW: Ralphs- Off system? Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F1A2@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> It means Jere uses auto-complete of email addresses, and it bit him ;) Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of drmayf Sent: July 25, 2008 10:06 AM To: Teepen, Jere Cc: Drew, Henry; Fears, Rebecca; Wood, Pete; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] FW: Ralphs- Off system? Excuse me, but just what the hell does this mean? mayf From CoolVT at aol.com Fri Jul 25 10:55:14 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:55:14 EDT Subject: [Tigers] FW: Ralphs- Off system? Message-ID: LOL **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From jteepen at usatoday.com Fri Jul 25 17:02:41 2008 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:02:41 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] FW: Ralphs- Off system? MY BAD In-Reply-To: <4889F9DC.2030506@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <9FF002B4A98E0F4FB752C81A06F004E97231A46E46@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> Everybody relax... This is what is generally referred to as an error. I have no idea how I did this, but I did. That's what the hell this means. Now, if anyone wants to visit some Ralph's grocery stores in the So Cal area and report back to me what you find that would be great. Happy weekend! Jere -----Original Message----- From: drmayf [mailto:drmayf at mayfco.com] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:06 AM To: Teepen, Jere Cc: tigers at autox.team.net; Fears, Rebecca; Drew, Henry; Wood, Pete Subject: Re: [Tigers] FW: Ralphs- Off system? Excuse me, but just what the hell does this mean? mayf Teepen, Jere wrote: From glowboy at starstream.net Fri Jul 25 18:23:05 2008 From: glowboy at starstream.net (DERRICK SCHMIDT) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:23:05 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] FW: Ralphs- Off system? MY BAD Message-ID: <200807251723.AA3304784182@mail.starstream.net> Why would we relax when we can get a chuckle at someone else's expense? ;-) Derrick ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Teepen, Jere" Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:02:41 -0400 >Everybody relax... This is what is generally referred to as an error. I have >no idea how I did this, but I did. That's what the hell this means. > >Now, if anyone wants to visit some Ralph's grocery stores in the So Cal area >and report back to me what you find that would be great. > >Happy weekend! > >Jere ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.starstream.net From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Sat Jul 26 18:22:19 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:22:19 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Engine ID Message-ID: Is there a way to tell if a small block Ford is a 260, 289 or a 302? B382002560 **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Sat Jul 26 18:39:25 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:39:25 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Engine ID Message-ID: What do you do if they wont let you pull the starter?? Kinda like opening the hood and looking at the engine. How do you know what it is(260,289,302)??? In a message dated 7/26/2008 5:33:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, wsamouce at kc.rr.com writes: Yes, There is a casting number on the block just above the starter. Remove the starter and it can be easily seen. Then do a google search for Ford engine numbers and you will know. Duke -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of AAAGLASSS at aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 8:22 PM To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] Engine ID Is there a way to tell if a small block Ford is a 260, 289 or a 302? B382002560 **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From Sjhcobra1 at cs.com Sat Jul 26 20:52:38 2008 From: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Sjhcobra1 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:52:38 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Needed: Clock crystal for Smith's clock Message-ID: <25FE04CD.063BA333.028BE4CD@cs.com> Does anyone have a good Smith's clock crystal for sale? Please contact me offline. Thanks! Steve Halbrook From patrick at patmania.ch Sun Jul 27 05:50:01 2008 From: patrick at patmania.ch (Patrick Helfer) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:50:01 +0200 Subject: [Tigers] Is anyone from the Bakersfield CA area? non-tiger problem In-Reply-To: <200807251723.AA3304784182@mail.starstream.net> References: <200807251723.AA3304784182@mail.starstream.net> Message-ID: <000901c8efde$e7497bb0$b5dc7310$@ch> Hi gang Sorry to disturb the list with this. I bought a ford mustang over ebay, paid for it and didn't get the car, yet. Now I would need someone in the bakersfield area to go to this guy and ask where the problem is. Maybe someone even knows him: Mike O'Dell Bill's Mustang & Classic Cltbl 160D E Norris Rd Bakersfield CA 93308 Phone 6613937708 Beeing based in switzerland it's pretty dificult... Any help would be appreciated!!! patrick From jrv309 at charter.net Sun Jul 27 19:57:30 2008 From: jrv309 at charter.net (Jerry and Marlene VanderPool) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:57:30 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Is anyone from the Bakersfield CA area? non-tiger problem References: <200807251723.AA3304784182@mail.starstream.net> <000901c8efde$e7497bb0$b5dc7310$@ch> Message-ID: <002101c8f055$4ba4b130$6500a8c0@D8T0X571> Patrick; First a little history and then an answer. Marlene and I now live in Warrenton, Oregon with our Candy Apple 66 Tiger. I am a retired Police Sergeant with the Bakersfield Police Department. I was the first President of the Mustang Club in Bakersfield. My son Jan lives with his wife in Bakersfield and he has (3) three mustangs all of which are street legal and he races his 67 fastback at the local drag strip. I called him today and he advised that he has dealt with the original owner, Bill, and all was well. He advised that the young guy (Mike?) has a very "Rough" reputation in the Mustang community. My son will not contact the seller as he is in the middle of moving to a new house. If you can't get someone to contact the seller, you might think about the Kern County Sheriffs office, California Highway Patrol and E-bay. I hope this helps. I know that I am going to get a nasty note that I didn't send this correctly. Sorry Mark, Jerry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Helfer" To: Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 4:50 AM Subject: [Tigers] Is anyone from the Bakersfield CA area? non-tiger problem > Hi gang > > Sorry to disturb the list with this. > > I bought a ford mustang over ebay, paid for it and didn't get the car, > yet. > Now I would need someone in the bakersfield area to go to this guy and ask > where the problem is. Maybe someone even knows him: > > Mike O'Dell > Bill's Mustang & Classic Cltbl > 160D E Norris Rd > Bakersfield CA 93308 > Phone 6613937708 > > Beeing based in switzerland it's pretty dificult... > > Any help would be appreciated!!! > > patrick > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as jrv309 at charter.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From atwittsend at verizon.net Sun Jul 27 22:29:12 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (atwittsend at verizon.net) Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:29:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Tigers] Engine ID Message-ID: <365448.1162271217219352122.JavaMail.root@vms126.mailsrvcs.net> Sometimes you can use clay forced into an area to make a readable impressiom. I'm not sure if it will work here. You might also try a paper impression. Again, if possible, try slipping a piece of paper (carbon paper I think would work well) into the area and use a cake spatula to rub. Not sure if it would work, buy worth a try. Tom >From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com >Date: 2008/07/26 Sat PM 07:22:19 CDT >To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net >Subject: [Tigers] Engine ID >Is there a way to tell if a small block Ford is a 260, 289 or a 302? > >B382002560 > > > > >**************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for >FanHouse Fantasy Football today. >(http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as atwittsend at verizon.net > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 03:40:14 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:40:14 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] tips for a sticky fan belt Message-ID: <39a841b0807280240t2cccfc03te1be90f1a83eea11@mail.gmail.com> i recently installed a 13" 6 blade flex fan where previously i only had an electric pusher. the results are obviously very satisfactory, taking care of the marginal cooling in traffic and high temps perfectly. i have noticed however that i now get a squeaking from the fan belt as it slips (particularly as the engine picks up or at mid-high rpm. i tightened it little and it improved but is still happening. i'm not sure i want to tighten any more as its already fairly tight and i wouldn't want to over strain the alternator or water pump. i guess slipping can't be good for the belt as it'll heat it up a lot, so are there an tips to making it a bit stickier? From CALUMETAIR at aol.com Mon Jul 28 07:55:47 2008 From: CALUMETAIR at aol.com (CALUMETAIR at aol.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:55:47 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: tips for a sticky fan belt Message-ID: **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) Return-path: From: CALUMETAIR at aol.com Full-name: CALUMETAIR Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:55:07 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] tips for a sticky fan belt To: owain.lloyd at gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5377 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain I'd be happy to check your belt tension with my tension gauge (if you are anywhere near Lansing, IL.) I'll bet some of the bigger auto parts stores use them as part of their free diagnostic, electrical system checks and they'd check yours for free. Also, there are several anti-squeal, belt dressing sprays available. I used them with some success on glazed pulleys and old belts. Tom Milton, 1964 B382000257 Restoration in progress (stalled) Lansing, Illinois **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Jul 28 08:13:43 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:13:43 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Engine ID Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F1B0@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> The Tiger-correct 260 and early 289 have five bellhousing attachment bolts, where the Tiger II-correct 289 and all 302's have six. The spacing of these bolts is different between the five and six bolt arrangement as well, so that's an easy way to tell if it's an earlier or later vintage engine. If you are looking at a Mk1 or Mk1A then the correct number of bellhousing bolts is five. The story that a limited number of Tigers late in the Mk1A production came with (Tiger 2 spec) 289's is just that - a story. If it were true my Tiger would be one of them. The number of bellhousing bolts (or their spacing) is tricky to tell from above but if you can get the car up on a lift then it should be easier to tell the number of bolts holding the bellhousing to the engine. Cheers, Theo From stubrennan at comcast.net Mon Jul 28 09:18:40 2008 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:18:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] tips for a sticky fan belt In-Reply-To: <39a841b0807280240t2cccfc03te1be90f1a83eea11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000201c8f0c5$37d68b90$6601a8c0@Brennan> A couple things to check: Is the belt old? Rubbery bits do tend to get hard and become not so sticky when they get old. Is the belt damaged? Slipping will heat the surface, and the heat will glaze the belt, making it slip more. Do the water pump and generator turn freely? I had a water pump bearing get really stiff, to the point where the belt was slipping, but there was no leak. Stu From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Jul 28 09:33:29 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:33:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Engine ID In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c8f0c7$4ab73d20$b4931840@ronpc1> The only way to correctly ID the block is by the part number stamped onto the block near the starter. A 2nd way is to look for the engine build date stamp near the distributor and left head. It will be a 4 or 5 digit number. This could eliminate the 302 which started production in 1968. Also if you have stock intake and heads on the engine most likely the block under them is the same. 289 intakes have 289 on 1 of the runners; the head have 289 in the casting under the valve cover. 260 intakes just have a part # on the runner; the heads only have a casting date under the valve cover. If you need help with the part numbers of date codes, let me know. Part numbers you can probably Google and get results. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of AAAGLASSS at aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 8:22 PM To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] Engine ID Is there a way to tell if a small block Ford is a 260, 289 or a 302? B382002560 **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1569 - Release Date: 7/23/2008 1:31 PM From rfraser at bluefrog.com Mon Jul 28 10:00:08 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:00:08 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] tips for a sticky fan belt In-Reply-To: <39a841b0807280240t2cccfc03te1be90f1a83eea11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c8f0cb$03c8d5a0$b4931840@ronpc1> Owain Did you install a new belt? Is the alignment of the belt and pulleys correct? Is the top surface of the belt nearly level with the edge of the pulleys? If the belt is down in the grove of the pulleys; it is the wrong style belt or if the belt rides high on the pulleys the pulley is the wrong style or a combination problem exists. The Original fan belt part # is C2OZ-8620-E; 50.1" x 15/32", JB-501, up dated part number C9PZ-8620-AK There are belt dressings you can spray on the belt and pulleys but I'm not convinced they work that well. The pulley grooves maybe glazed and need a little sandpaper to roughen them up or a pulley is worn and needs replacement. Hope this helps Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 5:40 AM To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] tips for a sticky fan belt i recently installed a 13" 6 blade flex fan where previously i only had an electric pusher. the results are obviously very satisfactory, taking care of the marginal cooling in traffic and high temps perfectly. i have noticed however that i now get a squeaking from the fan belt as it slips (particularly as the engine picks up or at mid-high rpm. i tightened it little and it improved but is still happening. i'm not sure i want to tighten any more as its already fairly tight and i wouldn't want to over strain the alternator or water pump. i guess slipping can't be good for the belt as it'll heat it up a lot, so are there an tips to making it a bit stickier? You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.5/1569 - Release Date: 7/23/2008 1:31 PM From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Jul 28 10:36:29 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:36:29 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] tips for a sticky fan belt In-Reply-To: <000201c8f0c5$37d68b90$6601a8c0@Brennan> References: <39a841b0807280240t2cccfc03te1be90f1a83eea11@mail.gmail.com> <000201c8f0c5$37d68b90$6601a8c0@Brennan> Message-ID: <39a841b0807280936ke7329c9r8fe8041676131811@mail.gmail.com> thanks for the responses: - the belt is new (about 300 miles or so) and was fine before i pulled the engine out. - it does have the grooved teeth in it. - it either got worse or appeared for the first time after adding an engine fan. - the water pump and alternator spin freely. - I did install a new balancer but I used the same the pulley and all the pulleys appear to be inline - its not a very loud squeal - just a faint whistle. i'll check all the pulleys and maybe run some sandpaper around the grooves. thanks. On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Stu Brennan wrote: > A couple things to check: > > Is the belt old? Rubbery bits do tend to get hard and become not so > sticky when they get old. > > Is the belt damaged? Slipping will heat the surface, and the heat will > glaze the belt, making it slip more. > > Do the water pump and generator turn freely? I had a water pump bearing > get really stiff, to the point where the belt was slipping, but there > was no leak. > > Stu > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From Sjhcobra1 at cs.com Mon Jul 28 10:38:48 2008 From: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Sjhcobra1 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:38:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] tips for a sticky fan belt Message-ID: <24B35D8A.1B6839AC.028BE4CD@cs.com> Owain: I ran into a strange situation on a restoration project where sometime over the life of this Tiger someone had rebuilt the generator. They had trouble getting the pulley off and used a long punch through the back which left corresponding bumps in the v-groove wherever they hit it. Take a look in your groove to see if you have "bumps" around the v-groove. Also, do you have the right depth and width of the v on the belt? Steve Halbrook From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Mon Jul 28 13:04:33 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:04:33 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] All about Car prices, etc. Message-ID: <488E1841.3010104@SoCal.rr.com> There are many web sites about cars, and car prices. Here is a website that lists all kinds of car reference *web* sites that is search able by all sorts of criteria. It even has references to the Sunbeam Tiger. http://www.cuil.com/ Find your favorite cars, prices, websites. Steve -- ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com From cmccann at lwpb.com Mon Jul 28 14:06:12 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:06:12 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] All about Car prices, etc. In-Reply-To: <488E1841.3010104@SoCal.rr.com> References: <488E1841.3010104@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473350CD5DC7@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> That's funny, I just tried it for Sunbeam Tiger and got the message that it couldn't complete my request due to excessively high server loading...or something. I guess we are all trying to search that at the same time? Funny... Cullen 1452 There are many web sites about cars, and car prices. Here is a website that lists all kinds of car reference *web* sites that is search able by all sorts of criteria. It even has references to the Sunbeam Tiger. http://www.cuil.com/ From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Jul 28 14:33:58 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 14:33:58 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] All about Car prices, etc. Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F1B2@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Cuil (apparently to be pronounced "cool") is a search engine startup. They were the subject of a front-page post on www.slashdot.org today, and as a partial result, they're probably seeing some extraordinary traffic. If they want to be in the search engine business, though, they will have to beef up their infrastructure. Theo From itswonderful at comcast.net Mon Jul 28 14:46:48 2008 From: itswonderful at comcast.net (Frank P. Marrone) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:46:48 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] All about Car prices, etc. In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473350CD5DC7@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> References: <488E1841.3010104@SoCal.rr.com> <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473350CD5DC7@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: <001e01c8f0f3$0e700280$0801a8c0@FPMengineering> This is the next big thing in search engines. It debuts today so I'm not surprised they are having server issues. Worked for me though. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080728/ap_on_hi_te/google_challenger;_ylt=AhVKd fLOcNAfBDo8CLIRbWKs0NUE Frank > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+itswonderful=comcast.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+itswonderful=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Cullen McCann > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 1:06 PM > To: Tiger's Den > Subject: Re: [Tigers] All about Car prices, etc. > > That's funny, I just tried it for Sunbeam Tiger and got the message that > it > couldn't complete my request due to excessively high server loading...or > something. I guess we are all trying to search that at the same time? > Funny... > > Cullen > 1452 > > > > > > > > There are many web sites about cars, and car prices. Here is a website > that lists all kinds of car reference *web* sites that is search able by > all sorts of criteria. It even has references to the Sunbeam Tiger. > > http://www.cuil.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as itswonderful at comcast.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From sganz at pacbell.net Mon Jul 28 14:57:49 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:57:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] All about Car prices, etc. Message-ID: <57648.60916.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It's getting some press as a competitor to Google for search, but obviously they can't scale with the burst of traffic that is showing up. I tried it too and for other things and got the same message. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Cullen McCann To: Tiger's Den Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 1:06:12 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] All about Car prices, etc. That's funny, I just tried it for Sunbeam Tiger and got the message that it couldn't complete my request due to excessively high server loading...or something. I guess we are all trying to search that at the same time? Funny... Cullen 1452 There are many web sites about cars, and car prices. Here is a website that lists all kinds of car reference *web* sites that is search able by all sorts of criteria. It even has references to the Sunbeam Tiger. http://www.cuil.com/ _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From cmccann at lwpb.com Mon Jul 28 15:08:19 2008 From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 16:08:19 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] All about Car prices, etc. In-Reply-To: <57648.60916.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <57648.60916.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473350CD5DFC@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Well I tried it again and it worked...so I guess its just about timing....maybe some of us had to go to lunch for the rest of us to look it up! C It's getting some press as a competitor to Google for search, but obviously they can't scale with the burst of traffic that is showing up. I tried it too and for other things and got the same message. Sandy From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Mon Jul 28 19:22:51 2008 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:22:51 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigrt 260 blocks Message-ID: <002a01c8f119$9ea6ff40$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> I remember from years ago and personal experience that the original Tiger 260 blocks had three freeze plugs on the side like a 289, Falcon/Mustang 260's had two freeze plugs on the side, can this be confirmed, Clyde From wsamouce at kc.rr.com Mon Jul 28 20:02:01 2008 From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Duke Samouce) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:02:01 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Engine ID In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000401c8f11f$17c0a340$4741e9c0$@rr.com> I would seriously question their motives if they will not let you verify the engine. It is only one nut and two bolt for goodness sake. I can R&R my starter in five minutes while on my back. On a lift I bet I could do it in half of that. Duke From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com [mailto:AAAGLASSS at aol.com] Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 8:39 PM To: wsamouce at kc.rr.com; tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine ID What do you do if they wont let you pull the starter?? Kinda like opening the hood and looking at the engine. How do you know what it is(260,289,302)??? In a message dated 7/26/2008 5:33:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, wsamouce at kc.rr.com writes: Yes, There is a casting number on the block just above the starter. Remove the starter and it can be easily seen. Then do a google search for Ford engine numbers and you will know. Duke -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of AAAGLASSS at aol.com Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 8:22 PM To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Tigers] Engine ID Is there a way to tell if a small block Ford is a 260, 289 or a 302? B382002560 **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive _____ Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. From mmichels at socal.rr.com Mon Jul 28 22:48:35 2008 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:48:35 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Engine ID References: Message-ID: <006201c8f136$5c4605c0$8a01a8c0@delldimension> It's pretty extreme, but we used a boroscope to find a nearly disappeared date code, which is a pretty good, though not infallible clue. . Also, if I understand correctly, the casting numbers are the same for 260s and 289s, even though the wall thicknesses and bores are different. I'm told the only positive way to ID a 289 is to see the number 289 cast in the valley beneath the intake manifold and between the heads. Don't know about 302s. A good reference is the How to Rebuild Small Block Fords book by Tom Monroe. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine ID > What do you do if they wont let you pull the starter?? Kinda like opening > the hood and looking at the engine. How do you know what it > is(260,289,302)??? > > > In a message dated 7/26/2008 5:33:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > wsamouce at kc.rr.com writes: > > Yes, > > There is a casting number on the block just above the starter. Remove > the > starter and it can be easily seen. Then do a google search for Ford > engine > numbers and you will know. > > Duke > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+wsamouce=kc.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > AAAGLASSS at aol.com > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 8:22 PM > To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: [Tigers] Engine ID > > Is there a way to tell if a small block Ford is a 260, 289 or a 302? > > B382002560 > > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > You are subscribed as wsamouce at kc.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > > > > > **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for > FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mmichels at socal.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From mmichels at socal.rr.com Mon Jul 28 23:05:07 2008 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels) Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:05:07 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tigrt 260 blocks References: <002a01c8f119$9ea6ff40$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> Message-ID: <00ae01c8f138$abac5680$8a01a8c0@delldimension> According to the Tom Monroe book on rebuilding small blocks, the early 221s and 260s had two freeze plugs a side, and 6 inches between motor mount hols, later ones had three freeze plugs and 7 inches between motor mount holes No mention about which ones found their way into Tigers. Interesting coincidence:. The original displacement of the small block pushrod V8 (221 cu ins) is the same as the flathead Ford V8 of the thirties. Somebody at Ford must have been sentimental. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:22 PM Subject: [Tigers] Tigrt 260 blocks >I remember from years ago and personal experience that the original Tiger >260 > blocks had three freeze plugs on the side like a 289, Falcon/Mustang > 260's > had two freeze plugs on the side, can this be confirmed, Clyde > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mmichels at socal.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Tue Jul 29 05:27:09 2008 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:27:09 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] small block casting numbers Message-ID: <001d01c8f16e$0a1d0630$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> 260ci 5 bolt numbers: C30E-B,C..C40E-B,D,E.....289 5 BOLT:C3AE-N, C40E-C,F...C4AE, C4DE...HIPO 5BOLT C30E-B ...6 BOLT C5AE-E, C50E-C, C6AE-C...ENGINE CODES AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED ARE ON THE BLOCK ABOVE THE STARTER, DATE CODE IS LEFT SIDE OF BLOCK IN THE FRONT ON THE EXTENDED PORTION OF THE DECK, BUT IF YOUR ENGINE HAS BEEN BECKED AS PART OF A REBUILD IT'S PROBABLY GONE..NOTE: IF YOU DO A SMALL BLOCK REBUILD DON'T FORGET TO HAVE IT DECKED, EVERYONE I HAVE DONE WAS IN BAD NEED OF IT, CLYDE From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue Jul 29 07:45:43 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:45:43 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigrt 260 blocks In-Reply-To: <002a01c8f119$9ea6ff40$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> Message-ID: <000001c8f181$6770f3b0$82b21840@ronpc1> Clyde The 221 and 260 blocks were changed to the 289 style casting with 3 freeze plugs in January 1963;C3OE casting #. All 221 and 260 block before that date will have only 2 freeze plugs;C2OE casting #. The Tiger 260 blocks are a C4OE casting # and have 3 freeze plugs. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Clyde McLaughlin Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:23 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tigrt 260 blocks I remember from years ago and personal experience that the original Tiger 260 blocks had three freeze plugs on the side like a 289, Falcon/Mustang 260's had two freeze plugs on the side, can this be confirmed, Clyde You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1577 - Release Date: 7/28/2008 6:55 AM From mark.rense at ge.com Tue Jul 29 08:01:31 2008 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:01:31 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Car tire risk Message-ID: In light of the scarcity of 13" tires for our cars, here is a relevant 20/20 news report showing tires being sold as new that are unused but up to 14 years old. It will show you how to read the DOT date code on tires that tells you when they were manufactured. http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4826897 From awtiger at cox.net Tue Jul 29 09:45:37 2008 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:45:37 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Car tire risk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080729114537.957KH.66534.imail@eastrmwml36> Excellent info, Mark. I just purchased a set of tires for my wife's Isuzu Axiom without knowing this info. Now, what do you think is the first thing I'm going to do when I get home tonight??? Take care, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Tue Jul 29 10:17:04 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:17:04 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] All about Car prices, etc. In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473350CD5DC7@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> References: <488E1841.3010104@SoCal.rr.com> <4419C83983D4FB47AADD68470906473350CD5DC7@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local> Message-ID: <488F4280.5030404@SoCal.rr.com> Cullen, and Tigers, About: http://www.cuil.com/ I have seen that same notice, especially when changing current page. I believe it is the result of server overload from so many people having read the same article, or word of mouth. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Cullen McCann wrote: > That's funny, I just tried it for Sunbeam Tiger and got the message that it > couldn't complete my request due to excessively high server loading...or > something. I guess we are all trying to search that at the same time? > Funny... > > Cullen > 1452 From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 29 11:58:29 2008 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:58:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Water Temp Gauge Reading High Message-ID: <318997.72960.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have determined with a fair amount of certainty that my water temp gauge (Mark II original gauge, not sure if exactly same as earlier Tigers?) is reading too high. It shows a constant 205-210 when at full temperature. But, it never "boils over" (13# cap on overflow tank) and does not otherwise "act" hot in any way. This morning, we used a good quality laser/infra-red temp gauge and it shows 190 degrees at the base of the thermostat housing (with the dash gauge at about 210). Checks at other spots like the radiator etc all showed temps a fair amount lower than the 190 seen at the thermostat housing (e.g. in 180 range). I believe I am running a 185 degree thermostat (brain fade). I do not believe that the temp sender on the manifold is the original sender. In any event, assuming that I can confirm with a second test (temporary install of another good sender/gauge) that the original gauge is reading 20+ degrees too high, is the original gauge "adjustable?" Or, should I be looking for a different (original style) sender? Any tips would be appreciated. Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Jul 29 12:07:52 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:07:52 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Water Temp Gauge Reading High Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F1B7@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> You should validate that your instrument stabilizer is working properly before chasing the gauge. The stabilizer (the little gray rectangular box that should be screwed to the dash support rail) also supplies the fuel gauge. Does the fuel gauge read properly, or does it read high? If you run the tank down to empty, and put in 5 Imperial gallons (that would be about 6 US gallons), does it read 5, or does it read higher? A good test is to put in fuel in 1 gallon increments and note the gauge reading you get after each step. If it goes up properly according to the gauge scale, then the stabilizer is probably good. If the tank contents are constistently reported 20 to 30 percent high (up to the point where you run off the top of the scale) then the stabilizer points are stuck in their conducting state, and your temperature gauge will read similarly high. The gauges are adjustable but not in any good way. Doesn't Rick at SS carry the proper sender? Cheers, Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Waite Sent: July 29, 2008 11:58 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Water Temp Gauge Reading High I have determined with a fair amount of certainty that my water temp gauge (Mark II original gauge, not sure if exactly same as earlier Tigers?) is reading too high. It shows a constant 205-210 when at full temperature. But, it never "boils over" (13# cap on overflow tank) and does not otherwise "act" hot in any way. This morning, we used a good quality laser/infra-red temp gauge and it shows 190 degrees at the base of the thermostat housing (with the dash gauge at about 210). Checks at other spots like the radiator etc all showed temps a fair amount lower than the 190 seen at the thermostat housing (e.g. in 180 range). I believe I am running a 185 degree thermostat (brain fade). I do not believe that the temp sender on the manifold is the original sender. In any event, assuming that I can confirm with a second test (temporary install of another good sender/gauge) that the original gauge is reading 20+ degrees too high, is the original gauge "adjustable?" Or, should I be looking for a different (original style) sender? Any tips would be appreciated. Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI You are subscribed as theo.smit at dynastream.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From stubrennan at comcast.net Tue Jul 29 12:21:14 2008 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:21:14 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Water Temp Gauge Reading High In-Reply-To: <318997.72960.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c8f1a7$e2c6a200$6601a8c0@Brennan> Check out my article on TigersUninted: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/BrennanGauge/rt-BrennanGauge1.asp Just out of curiosity, does your fuel gauge also read high? It could be a failed panel voltage regulator, which would drive both high. Ways to test it are in my article. It might be as simple as a poor ground on the PVR, rendering it useless. It's grounded through its mounting screw. Simply remove, clean the metal under it, and reinstall. Also, if you have an ohmmeter, you can check the sensor, watching it's resistance change as the engine warms up. When my sender failed, the temp reading was low rather than high, but YMMV. Chances are the gauge itself is ok, DO NOT try to adjust it's calibration yourself. I hope this helps. Stu Brennan -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+stubrennan=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+stubrennan=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Waite Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:58 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Water Temp Gauge Reading High I have determined with a fair amount of certainty that my water temp gauge (Mark II original gauge, not sure if exactly same as earlier Tigers?) is reading too high. It shows a constant 205-210 when at full temperature. But, it never "boils over" (13# cap on overflow tank) and does not otherwise "act" hot in any way. This morning, we used a good quality laser/infra-red temp gauge and it shows 190 degrees at the base of the thermostat housing (with the dash gauge at about 210). Checks at other spots like the radiator etc all showed temps a fair amount lower than the 190 seen at the thermostat housing (e.g. in 180 range). I believe I am running a 185 degree thermostat (brain fade). I do not believe that the temp sender on the manifold is the original sender. In any event, assuming that I can confirm with a second test (temporary install of another good sender/gauge) that the original gauge is reading 20+ degrees too high, is the original gauge "adjustable?" Or, should I be looking for a different (original style) sender? Any tips would be appreciated. Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Jul 29 12:22:05 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:22:05 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Water Temp Gauge Reading High In-Reply-To: <318997.72960.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <318997.72960.qm@web82707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0807291122l6e6970dbx884d3244b28480a5@mail.gmail.com> If you do find its the gauge or sender you may prefer to get a mechanical gauge. Dale a. sells them. On 7/29/08, Bill Waite wrote: > I have determined with a fair amount of certainty that my water temp gauge > (Mark II original gauge, not sure if exactly same as earlier Tigers?) is > reading too high. It shows a constant 205-210 when at full temperature. > But, it never "boils over" (13# cap on overflow tank) and does not otherwise > "act" hot in any way. > > This morning, we used a good quality laser/infra-red temp gauge and it shows > 190 degrees at the base of the thermostat housing (with the dash gauge at > about 210). Checks at other spots like the radiator etc all showed temps a > fair amount lower than the 190 seen at the thermostat housing (e.g. in 180 > range). I believe I am running a 185 degree thermostat (brain fade). > > I do not believe that the temp sender on the manifold is the original > sender. In any event, assuming that I can confirm with a second test > (temporary install of another good sender/gauge) that the original gauge is > reading 20+ degrees too high, is the original gauge "adjustable?" Or, > should I be looking for a different (original style) sender? > > Any tips would be appreciated. > > Bill Waite > Grand Rapids, MI > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From todbrown at roadrunner.com Tue Jul 29 14:00:08 2008 From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:00:08 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Temperature Gauge Message-ID: <488F76C8.3000303@roadrunner.com> Hi Bill: I would recommend that you read Stu Brennan's article in the Tech Tips section of Tigers United at http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/BrennanGauge/rt-BrennanGauge1.asp Stu does an excellent job of explaining how the Tiger gauges work and gives some good advice on checking them out. The temp and fuel gauges work by varying their resistance, as Stu points out. A higher resistance yields a lower reading on the gauge. If your gauge is reading high, it may be because it is out of calibration. One way of correcting this, that I have used, is to add some extra resistance in series with the gauge. In my case, I had an extra variable resistor laying around which I placed in series with the gauge and adjusted until I got the correct reading. As you already have an IR thermometer, you can use it to read the temp when the thermostat opens and then adjust the variable resistor (sometimes called a potentiometer or "pot" for short) until the gauge reads the same as the IR thermometer. Then take a multimeter and read the resistance of the pot. Go to your local Radio Shack and buy a fixed resistor with a value as close as possible to your resistance reading on the meter and replace the pot with the fixed resistor. A resistor with a power rating of 5 watts or more would probably be the right size. There are other possible reasons why the gauge is reading high, like a bad ground (the cause of about 90% of all electrical problems in Lucas systems, IMHO), a bad voltage stabilizer or a bad sender which all should be checked out as well. If, however, the gauge turns out to be out of calibration, you can send it out to have it repaired or you can use the cheap solution outlined above. Cheers, Tod B382002384LRXFE From Rollright at aol.com Tue Jul 29 14:24:17 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:24:17 EDT Subject: [Tigers] high temp guage readings Message-ID: Hello Bill Waite tells of his high temp readings. Just got my car back (again) from shop concerning high temp and overheating issues and their readings with a laser thermometer are the same as Bill's I have a Mk 1A with an F4B manifold. Anybody got any ideas? Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Tue Jul 29 15:24:11 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:24:11 EDT Subject: [Tigers] F4B manifold. Message-ID: What is the best intake manifold out there? F4B is the nostalgic choice because of the lat options, is there another out there that does the job better?? **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From nr.shaw at shaw.ca Tue Jul 29 15:48:24 2008 From: nr.shaw at shaw.ca (Norm Shaw) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:48:24 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 13 inch tires Message-ID: <000501c8f1c4$d39795b0$7ac6c110$@shaw@shaw.ca> I know there has been 13 inch tire recommendations in past threads - given the most recent info re: "old" tires - what are current recommendations/availability of street performance 13 inch tires. I currently run "old" 205/60/13 yokohama. Norm Shaw B9472386 Burnaby B.C. From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Jul 29 15:52:26 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:52:26 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] F4B manifold. Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F1BB@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Well, there's this one (shamelessly honking Bob's horn) http://www.britishv8.org/Other/BobHokanson/BobHokanson-B.jpg In terms of single-four-barrel manifolds, the updated Edelbrock Performer and Performer RPM (descendants of the F4B) with the air gap are probably good choices. There are other knockoffs as well, but they're superficially very similar and unless you had a good look inside (and probably flow-tested them) it would be tough to pick a standout. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of AAAGLASSS at aol.com Sent: July 29, 2008 3:24 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] F4B manifold. What is the best intake manifold out there? F4B is the nostalgic choice because of the lat options, is there another out there that does the job better?? **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) You are subscribed as theo.smit at dynastream.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From CoolVT at aol.com Tue Jul 29 16:29:36 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:29:36 EDT Subject: [Tigers] 15" wheels Message-ID: What is the recommended offset and or backspacing for a 15" wheel to fit a Tiger? Also, I assume that anything that lists a metric bolt pattern spacing would not be right for a Tiger even if it's close? Mark **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From PhastPhill at aol.com Tue Jul 29 16:35:31 2008 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:35:31 EDT Subject: [Tigers] 13 inch tires Message-ID: I use Sumitomo HTR 200 that I got at Tiretrends. They are in BC. Work well,a modern tire, I run 195 60 13 on the front and 205 60 13 on the rear. From DJoh797014 at aol.com Tue Jul 29 16:42:06 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:42:06 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tigrt 260 blocks Message-ID: Most Tiger engines were made in Windsor Canada at the Ford Industrial Engine Works. They were industrial blocks and had three freeze plugs. For passenger engines were made elsewhere and had two freeze plugs. Uncle Henry had already converted to making the 289 so he decided to have Windsor make the small run of 260's. Cheaper that way. Easy was to tell the engines apart. Pull a head. The 289 has 4 inch pistons and the 260 does not. Use a ruler to measure. If it has two freeze pluygs, its not a Tiger motor. If it has three, and small pistons, its a Tiger motor.If it has three and 4 inch pistons it maybe a MK II 289 but more than likely a standard 289. In a message dated 7/29/2008 12:05:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mmichels at socal.rr.com writes: According to the Tom Monroe book on rebuilding small blocks, the early 221s and 260s had two freeze plugs a side, and 6 inches between motor mount hols, later ones had three freeze plugs and 7 inches between motor mount holes No mention about which ones found their way into Tigers. Interesting coincidence:. The original displacement of the small block pushrod V8 (221 cu ins) is the same as the flathead Ford V8 of the thirties. Somebody at Ford must have been sentimental. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:22 PM Subject: [Tigers] Tigrt 260 blocks >I remember from years ago and personal experience that the original Tiger >260 > blocks had three freeze plugs on the side like a 289, Falcon/Mustang > 260's > had two freeze plugs on the side, can this be confirmed, Clyde > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mmichels at socal.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as djoh797014 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Tue Jul 29 16:51:37 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:51:37 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tigrt 260 blocks Message-ID: So there is no way to tell these apart unless you pull the starter or intake or the heads? I didn't want to tear down the engine I just wanted to know if there was an easy way to tell the engines apart by a glance at the engine. In a message dated 7/29/2008 3:42:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, DJoh797014 at aol.com writes: Most Tiger engines were made in Windsor Canada at the Ford Industrial Engine Works. They were industrial blocks and had three freeze plugs. For passenger engines were made elsewhere and had two freeze plugs. Uncle Henry had already converted to making the 289 so he decided to have Windsor make the small run of 260's. Cheaper that way. Easy was to tell the engines apart. Pull a head. The 289 has 4 inch pistons and the 260 does not. Use a ruler to measure. If it has two freeze pluygs, its not a Tiger motor. If it has three, and small pistons, its a Tiger motor.If it has three and 4 inch pistons it maybe a MK II 289 but more than likely a standard 289. In a message dated 7/29/2008 12:05:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mmichels at socal.rr.com writes: According to the Tom Monroe book on rebuilding small blocks, the early 221s and 260s had two freeze plugs a side, and 6 inches between motor mount hols, later ones had three freeze plugs and 7 inches between motor mount holes No mention about which ones found their way into Tigers. Interesting coincidence:. The original displacement of the small block pushrod V8 (221 cu ins) is the same as the flathead Ford V8 of the thirties. Somebody at Ford must have been sentimental. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:22 PM Subject: [Tigers] Tigrt 260 blocks >I remember from years ago and personal experience that the original Tiger >260 > blocks had three freeze plugs on the side like a 289, Falcon/Mustang > 260's > had two freeze plugs on the side, can this be confirmed, Clyde > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mmichels at socal.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as djoh797014 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) You are subscribed as aaaglasss at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 29 16:54:11 2008 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] THANKS for the HELP! re. Water Temp Gauge Reading High In-Reply-To: <000001c8f1a7$e2c6a200$6601a8c0@Brennan> Message-ID: <623847.6452.qm@web82703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks to everyone who replied to my request regarding the temp gauge. I have a lot to check out now, and will report what I find out so others may benefit if they have the same problem. BTW, some of you asked if the fuel gauge was "acting up" too. Well, truth is: yes, but in the opposite direction versus the temperature gauge. When the tank(s) are filled, it reads just about 8 or 9 gallons... versus the 11 it should read. So, it (if anything) is reading low, not high as some thought might be the case if the voltage regulator was the culprit. What a list! Thanks a lot for the help! Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI Stu Brennan wrote: Check out my article on TigersUninted: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/BrennanGauge/rt-BrennanGauge1.asp Just out of curiosity, does your fuel gauge also read high? It could be a failed panel voltage regulator, which would drive both high. Ways to test it are in my article. It might be as simple as a poor ground on the PVR, rendering it useless. It's grounded through its mounting screw. Simply remove, clean the metal under it, and reinstall. Also, if you have an ohmmeter, you can check the sensor, watching it's resistance change as the engine warms up. When my sender failed, the temp reading was low rather than high, but YMMV. Chances are the gauge itself is ok, DO NOT try to adjust it's calibration yourself. I hope this helps. Stu Brennan -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+stubrennan=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+stubrennan=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Waite Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 1:58 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Water Temp Gauge Reading High I have determined with a fair amount of certainty that my water temp gauge (Mark II original gauge, not sure if exactly same as earlier Tigers?) is reading too high. It shows a constant 205-210 when at full temperature. But, it never "boils over" (13# cap on overflow tank) and does not otherwise "act" hot in any way. This morning, we used a good quality laser/infra-red temp gauge and it shows 190 degrees at the base of the thermostat housing (with the dash gauge at about 210). Checks at other spots like the radiator etc all showed temps a fair amount lower than the 190 seen at the thermostat housing (e.g. in 180 range). I believe I am running a 185 degree thermostat (brain fade). I do not believe that the temp sender on the manifold is the original sender. In any event, assuming that I can confirm with a second test (temporary install of another good sender/gauge) that the original gauge is reading 20+ degrees too high, is the original gauge "adjustable?" Or, should I be looking for a different (original style) sender? Any tips would be appreciated. Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From mrlau at charter.net Tue Jul 29 17:36:08 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:36:08 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] F4B manifold. In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F1BB@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <20080729233738.KPJY570.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> I want to write that the heater core is gone but it looks hot enough to not need it. -- Bill -- Well, there's this one (shamelessly honking Bob's horn) http://www.britishv8.org/Other/BobHokanson/BobHokanson-B.jpg In terms of single-four-barrel manifolds, the updated Edelbrock Performer and Performer RPM (descendants of the F4B) with the air gap are probably good choices. There are other knockoffs as well, but they're superficially very similar and unless you had a good look inside (and probably flow-tested them) it would be tough to pick a standout. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of AAAGLASSS at aol.com Sent: July 29, 2008 3:24 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] F4B manifold. What is the best intake manifold out there? F4B is the nostalgic choice because of the lat options, is there another out there that does the job better?? From banana111 at msn.com Tue Jul 29 19:07:23 2008 From: banana111 at msn.com (Brent Edinger) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:07:23 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tigrt 260 blocks Message-ID: Maybe you can find someone with one of these and check the displacement. http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MRG%2D3200&N=7 00+4294925139+4294925138+4294857374+115&autoview=sku Brent B9471023 Message: 12 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:51:37 EDT From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigrt 260 blocks To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So there is no way to tell these apart unless you pull the starter or intake or the heads? I didn't want to tear down the engine I just wanted to know if there was an easy way to tell the engines apart by a glance at the engine. From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Tue Jul 29 19:12:31 2008 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:12:31 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: <001401c8f1e1$57da0260$6700a8c0@chesapeake4> if you want a nice 13 inch tire the Toyo RA-1 is great, it's a track tire, 10k miles max, but it STICKS, I Just took off a set of those Sumo what evers with no miles on them, they are for sale cheap, they came on the car when I bought it, Clyde From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Tue Jul 29 21:18:05 2008 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:18:05 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Windshield frame Message-ID: <755AE72465CE4DC791C3ED2C70D3AFDC@JEPHome> I'm nearly finished stripping everything off Tigger prior to his date with the paint shop. My question concerns the windshield frame. The rearview mirror and top latches screw into floating pieces inside the frame. Can these pieces move laterally enough to cause a problem? Do I need to keep bolts in them to keep them in position? Or is there movement limited enough to stay put? I'd rather not learn the hard way. Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From rfraser at bluefrog.com Wed Jul 30 08:20:49 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:20:49 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigrt 260 blocks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001601c8f24f$7a5925a0$75b11840@ronpc1> Correct; there is no real visual differences between the assemblies other than the casting numbers and date codes on each stock Ford part. There are 2 freeze plug blocks and 3 freeze plug blocks; 5 bolt and 6 bolt engines. None of these visual clues will definitively tell you what size engine you have. The easiest way to tell what block you have is to read the casting number at the starter location and it is the only way to know what block you have visually. You can look at any of the Ford parts and read the part numbers and only assume they are the original build parts for that engine. There is an engine build date code on the block in front of the left head; all the original parts for that engine must have casting date codes that precede the engine build date code. Any date codes that are after the engine build date code are replacement parts. One of the best information sources for casting numbers and date codes is Mustang and Ford Small Block V8 by Bob Mannel. This book documents parts, part numbers, casting numbers and date codes by year for 1962 - 1969 engines. Another good source is High Performance Ford Engine Parts Interchange by George Reid. This book contains similar information for 221 cid to 460 cid engines. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of AAAGLASSS at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:52 PM To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigrt 260 blocks So there is no way to tell these apart unless you pull the starter or intake or the heads? I didn't want to tear down the engine I just wanted to know if there was an easy way to tell the engines apart by a glance at the engine. From stubrennan at comcast.net Wed Jul 30 09:27:51 2008 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:27:51 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Race of the Century, August 16 Message-ID: <000501c8f258$d551a280$6601a8c0@Brennan> Join TE/AE for our mid summer gathering at the Collings Foundation in Stow, MA. Race of the Century Saturday, August 16th Stow, MA Hours: 8:30 AM to 4:30 PM An extraordinary event that pits some of the greatest technological advancements in air and ground transportation against each other in a series of "races" Exhibits and displays throughout the event. Races start around 1:00 PM Entire Facility Open Daily: 8:30 AM to 4:30 PM Gate Fee: $15 Adults / $10 Children What are the races? How about a horse and carriage vs. a 1905 Franklin or a Stanley Steamer? A Stutz Bearcat vs. 1909 BLERIOT? A 1937 Offy sprint car vs. a Stearman? Want more info and directions? All the answers are on the Foundation's web site at: http://www.collingsfoundation.org/cf_RofC2008.htm In addition, I have some photos from my visit to their open house last spring (no races) at: http://www.pbase.com/sb_photos/bobstoys I have checked with the Foundation staff, and if we get there early enough we would probably be able to park together. So plan on being there by 10:00. Bring a picnic lunch or buy food on site. There's plenty to see, since there is quite a collection of antique aircraft and cars. Rides in the aircraft are available for a substantial fee, but there is advanced booking. Check the web site for details if you are interested. Note: The races are on both Saturday and Sunday. We are going on Saturday, saving Sunday for a rain date. Please RSVP so I have some idea how many are coming. Stu Brennan stubrennan at comcast.net From Rollright at aol.com Wed Jul 30 10:28:08 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:28:08 EDT Subject: [Tigers] re-coring Message-ID: Hello, As overheating has been deviling me (surprise, surprise), I've had a modern six bladed fan installed, a pusher electric fan, and a gulp bottle for when it pukes. A laser thermometer shows a temp drop of only 12 degrees across the radiator and it is not consistent in temp: there is an area that is considerably cooler than the main area. Looks like it is time to get the radiator re-cored. I am asking of any tips in this regard. What works, should/can I get it done locally, or if there is a magic bullet lurking out there. I want to stay with a copper/original style radiator, not an aluminum one. There is a local shop that could do the work, but I'd like to benefit from the accumulated wisdom of you Listers. Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From drmoonstone at aol.com Wed Jul 30 12:27:24 2008 From: drmoonstone at aol.com (drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:27:24 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigrt 260 blocks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CAC0890BDE79AF-B7C-1049@webmail-nc08.sysops.aol.com> Most Circle Tracks have a "BUbble" to check cubic inch displacement. Check with your local track. Moonstone -----Original Message----- From: Brent Edinger To: tigers Sent: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 6:07 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigrt 260 blocks Maybe you can find someone with one of these and check the displacement. http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MRG%2D3200&N=7 00+4294925139+4294925138+4294857374+115&autoview=sku Brent B9471023 Message: 12 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:51:37 EDT From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigrt 260 blocks To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So there is no way to tell these apart unless you pull the starter or intake or the heads? I didn't want to tear down the engine I just wanted to know if there was an easy way to tell the engines apart by a glance at the engine. You are subscribed as drmoonstone at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 30 14:44:21 2008 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:44:21 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Re-coring Message-ID: <004c01c8f285$0c982990$6501a8c0@your03667082de> "Looks like it is time to get the radiator re-cored. I am asking of any tips in this regard. What works, should/can I get it done locally, or if there is a magic bullet lurking out there. I want to stay with a copper/original style radiator, not an aluminum one. There is a local shop that could do the work, but I'd like to benefit from the accumulated wisdom of you Listers." I had a shop recore the radiator with an original type core. When I bought the car it used to dump rad fluid because 1/4 of the core was blocked. Since then, it has never over heated even during the Woodward Dream Cruise which is coming up in a couple of weeks. Look at the TE/AE web sites for a great article on what works and doesn't work to cool your Tiger. You will find the simplest and cheapest mods have the greatest affect on lowering your cars temp reading. Jeff From larryall at pacbell.net Wed Jul 30 15:23:09 2008 From: larryall at pacbell.net (Larry Allbritton) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Windshield Frame Message-ID: <425704.17339.qm@web83007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jim I removed my frame a few years ago to paint it and install a new windshield. During that process I must have had that frame in every position including upside down. Those nuts float a little in a capture fixture that keeps them in place. I had no problem putting it back together other than getting the windshield in. Good luck Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 22:18:05 -0500 From: "James E. Pickard" Subject: [Tigers] Windshield frame To: "Tiger List" Message-ID: <755AE72465CE4DC791C3ED2C70D3AFDC at JEPHome> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm nearly finished stripping everything off Tigger prior to his date with the paint shop. My question concerns the windshield frame. The rearview mirror and top latches screw into floating pieces inside the frame. Can these pieces move laterally enough to cause a problem? Do I need to keep bolts in them to keep them in position? Or is there movement limited enough to stay put? I'd rather not learn the hard way. Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From jteepen at usatoday.com Wed Jul 30 15:25:09 2008 From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:25:09 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigrt 260 blocks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9FF002B4A98E0F4FB752C81A06F004E97231B08FED@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> I have been told by a knowledgable source that the 5 bolt blocks (260 and 289) have a recess in the area behind the intake manifold and between the cylinder head surfaces. On 6 bolt blocks this area is flat. Determining which area is on the block will help narrow down the possibilities. Jere -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of AAAGLASSS at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 3:52 PM To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigrt 260 blocks So there is no way to tell these apart unless you pull the starter or intake or the heads? I didn't want to tear down the engine I just wanted to know if there was an easy way to tell the engines apart by a glance at the engine. In a message dated 7/29/2008 3:42:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, DJoh797014 at aol.com writes: Most Tiger engines were made in Windsor Canada at the Ford Industrial Engine Works. They were industrial blocks and had three freeze plugs. For passenger engines were made elsewhere and had two freeze plugs. Uncle Henry had already converted to making the 289 so he decided to have Windsor make the small run of 260's. Cheaper that way. Easy was to tell the engines apart. Pull a head. The 289 has 4 inch pistons and the 260 does not. Use a ruler to measure. If it has two freeze pluygs, its not a Tiger motor. If it has three, and small pistons, its a Tiger motor.If it has three and 4 inch pistons it maybe a MK II 289 but more than likely a standard 289. In a message dated 7/29/2008 12:05:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mmichels at socal.rr.com writes: According to the Tom Monroe book on rebuilding small blocks, the early 221s and 260s had two freeze plugs a side, and 6 inches between motor mount hols, later ones had three freeze plugs and 7 inches between motor mount holes No mention about which ones found their way into Tigers. Interesting coincidence:. The original displacement of the small block pushrod V8 (221 cu ins) is the same as the flathead Ford V8 of the thirties. Somebody at Ford must have been sentimental. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clyde McLaughlin" To: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:22 PM Subject: [Tigers] Tigrt 260 blocks >I remember from years ago and personal experience that the original >Tiger 260 blocks had three freeze plugs on the side like a 289, >Falcon/Mustang > 260's > had two freeze plugs on the side, can this be confirmed, Clyde From larryall at pacbell.net Wed Jul 30 15:26:03 2008 From: larryall at pacbell.net (Larry Allbritton) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] re-coring Message-ID: <614288.81970.qm@web83008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Jim I had a local radiator shop put together a Modine XL 4 row for my Tiger tanks. It has performed well over the last 5+ years. I have a 6 blade trimmed mechanical fan and also a 16inch pusher electric which I use only in stop n go situations occasionally. The car received a new crate 302 about 4 years ago and I noticed that that new motor runs cooler in general than the old stock 260. Larry B9472723 Message: 8 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:28:08 EDT From: Rollright at aol.com Subject: [Tigers] re-coring To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello, As overheating has been deviling me (surprise, surprise), I've had a modern six bladed fan installed, a pusher electric fan, and a gulp bottle for when it pukes. A laser thermometer shows a temp drop of only 12 degrees across the radiator and it is not consistent in temp: there is an area that is considerably cooler than the main area. Looks like it is time to get the radiator re-cored. I am asking of any tips in this regard. What works, should/can I get it done locally, or if there is a magic bullet lurking out there. I want to stay with a copper/original style radiator, not an aluminum one. There is a local shop that could do the work, but I'd like to benefit from the accumulated wisdom of you Listers. Best regards, Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE From DJoh797014 at aol.com Wed Jul 30 16:09:09 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:09:09 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Windshield frame Message-ID: Best to error on the safe side. Put in a couple of screws. Look for rust caused by condensation at the bottom of the windshield. I've heard of frames crumbling when the windshield is removed. Rustproof and/or rust convert as best as you can. Dave In a message dated 7/29/2008 10:23:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, geowiz.sgy at cox.net writes: I'm nearly finished stripping everything off Tigger prior to his date with the paint shop. My question concerns the windshield frame. The rearview mirror and top latches screw into floating pieces inside the frame. Can these pieces move laterally enough to cause a problem? Do I need to keep bolts in them to keep them in position? Or is there movement limited enough to stay put? I'd rather not learn the hard way. Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA You are subscribed as djoh797014 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From awtiger at cox.net Wed Jul 30 16:20:02 2008 From: awtiger at cox.net (Andy Walker) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:20:02 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tigrt 260 blocks In-Reply-To: <9FF002B4A98E0F4FB752C81A06F004E97231B08FED@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> References: <9FF002B4A98E0F4FB752C81A06F004E97231B08FED@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com> Message-ID: Seems to me that if you're going to get into a position to see if there are recessed areas on the block in that location, wouldn't you just count the bolts and know for sure??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Teepen, Jere" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigrt 260 blocks >I have been told by a knowledgable source that the 5 bolt blocks (260 and >289) > have a recess in the area behind the intake manifold and between the > cylinder > head surfaces. On 6 bolt blocks this area is flat. Determining which > area is > on the block will help narrow down the possibilities. > > Jere From newmexicobooks at bacavalley.com Wed Jul 30 20:09:40 2008 From: newmexicobooks at bacavalley.com (newmexicobooks at bacavalley.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:09:40 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Engine ID Update Message-ID: <97b2e4bfe93c404186fade02e7b592b9.newmexicobooks@bacavalley.com> Engine size identification: 260-164 HP 62-63-64 b Fb is the fifth digit of the ID number 260-260 HP 63 There is no displacement code 289-195 HP 63-64 b Cb is fifth digit on patent plate or ID number 289-195 HP 68 b Cb is fifth digit on patent plate or ID number 289-200 HP 65-67 b Cb is the fifth digit on patent plate or ID number 289-210 HP 64 b Ab is fifth digit (w/Prefix EGA) on warranty plate 289-225 HP 65-67 b Ab is the fifth digit of ID number 289-271 HP 63-65 b Ab is fifth digit (w/prefix EGA), warranty tag on coil bracket 289-271 HP 65-67 b Kb is fifth digit of warranty number, tag on coil bracket There are four Shelby 289s in the period but no ID code is listed by Ford This information from Ford Performance Guide ISBN 0910390177 which is available from Amazon.com. Listed are all Ford High-Per original parts plus accurate interchange information for 129 Ford V8s. Cheers........Bill Carroll.......... From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 31 06:57:26 2008 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Engine ID Update: 260 HP Version of the 260? In-Reply-To: <97b2e4bfe93c404186fade02e7b592b9.newmexicobooks@bacavalley.com> Message-ID: <474402.86193.qm@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Until seeing the "Engine ID Update" posting, I was not aware that Ford produced a 260 rated at "260 HP." Is this engine the 260 equivalent of a hipo 271 HP 289 (e.g. solid lifters, cam etc)? Anyone have details on the parts Ford used to build this one (heads, etc)? I assume this was the 260 used in the earliest Cobras, as I do not believe (could be wrong) that Ford offered such an engine in any of the cars it produced with 260's. Bill "newmexicobooks at bacavalley.com" wrote: Engine size identification: 260-164 HP 62-63-64 bFb is the fifth digit of the ID number 260-260 HP 63 There is no displacement code 289-195 HP 63-64 bCb is fifth digit on patent plate or ID number 289-195 HP 68 bCb is fifth digit on patent plate or ID number 289-200 HP 65-67 bCb is the fifth digit on patent plate or ID number 289-210 HP 64 bAb is fifth digit (w/Prefix EGA) on warranty plate 289-225 HP 65-67 bAb is the fifth digit of ID number 289-271 HP 63-65 bAb is fifth digit (w/prefix EGA), warranty tag on coil bracket 289-271 HP 65-67 bKb is fifth digit of warranty number, tag on coil bracket There are four Shelby 289s in the period but no ID code is listed by Ford This information from Ford Performance Guide ISBN 0910390177 which is available from Amazon.com. Listed are all Ford High-Per original parts plus accurate interchange information for 129 Ford V8s. Cheers........Bill Carroll.......... You are subscribed as fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Jul 31 09:44:14 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:44:14 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Engine ID Update: 260 HP Version of the 260? In-Reply-To: <474402.86193.qm@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000e01c8f324$4b039f80$d3911840@ronpc1> Bill The 260 hp engine appears to be a race engine. There is very little information listed other than 1963, 12 to 1 compression ration and 4 - 2v Weber carburetors. My guess is that this is a standard 260 block with 289 heads and other 289 parts; possibly 289 hipo parts. This 260 engine block is most likely the updated block with 3 freeze plugs and the 289 style configuration. Engine ID There has been a lot of great information added about how to ID a small block engine recently. Just remember that unless you absolutely know a car/ engine combination is untouched stock configuration; tag numbers and vin ID numbers will not ID the size of the engine block. Tags can be lost, swapped or changed, engines and engine parts can be swapped around. You know how some of us hot rodders are. The only way to absolutely know what block you have and its original CID is to read the block casting number. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Waite Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 8:57 AM To: newmexicobooks at bacavalley.com; Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine ID Update: 260 HP Version of the 260? Until seeing the "Engine ID Update" posting, I was not aware that Ford produced a 260 rated at "260 HP." Is this engine the 260 equivalent of a hipo 271 HP 289 (e.g. solid lifters, cam etc)? Anyone have details on the parts Ford used to build this one (heads, etc)? I assume this was the 260 used in the earliest Cobras, as I do not believe (could be wrong) that Ford offered such an engine in any of the cars it produced with 260's. Bill From zymmer4 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 10:24:16 2008 From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:24:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Engine ID Update: 260 HP Version of the 260? In-Reply-To: <000e01c8f324$4b039f80$d3911840@ronpc1> Message-ID: <644871.3388.qm@web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> hello, the 260 cu 260 hp engine was as supplied with the 1963 Cobra, the first run of them..it had a holly 650 4bbl carb and some go fast internals from shelby. I have seen many of these engines and they are very streetable..The 260hp Cobra did 0 to 100 in 10.8 seconds..0 to 60 in 4.4..no side exhausts, just duals out the back. Howard The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Ron Fraser wrote: From: Ron Fraser Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine ID Update: 260 HP Version of the 260? To: "'Bill Waite'" , newmexicobooks at bacavalley.com, Tigers at autox.team.net Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 11:44 AM Bill The 260 hp engine appears to be a race engine. There is very little information listed other than 1963, 12 to 1 compression ration and 4 - 2v Weber carburetors. My guess is that this is a standard 260 block with 289 heads and other 289 parts; possibly 289 hipo parts. This 260 engine block is most likely the updated block with 3 freeze plugs and the 289 style configuration. Engine ID There has been a lot of great information added about how to ID a small block engine recently. Just remember that unless you absolutely know a car/ engine combination is untouched stock configuration; tag numbers and vin ID numbers will not ID the size of the engine block. Tags can be lost, swapped or changed, engines and engine parts can be swapped around. You know how some of us hot rodders are. The only way to absolutely know what block you have and its original CID is to read the block casting number. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Waite Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 8:57 AM To: newmexicobooks at bacavalley.com; Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine ID Update: 260 HP Version of the 260? Until seeing the "Engine ID Update" posting, I was not aware that Ford produced a 260 rated at "260 HP." Is this engine the 260 equivalent of a hipo 271 HP 289 (e.g. solid lifters, cam etc)? Anyone have details on the parts Ford used to build this one (heads, etc)? I assume this was the 260 used in the earliest Cobras, as I do not believe (could be wrong) that Ford offered such an engine in any of the cars it produced with 260's. Bill You are subscribed as zymmer4 at yahoo.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From maliburevue at yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 19:12:08 2008 From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary Crandall) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Engine ID Update: 260 HP Version of the 260? In-Reply-To: <644871.3388.qm@web51305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <653661.70806.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Since we are recollecting the past... when I was a young teenager in the summer of 1965, I remember rafting down the Merced river in Yosemite to Stoneman Bridge and jumping off the bridge (back when they let you have fun). As we were sitting on the side of the bridge waiting for more rafters to cannon ball, a new 1965 Mustang fastback came by with a teardrop hood. It was jacked up, competition orange and sounded like a million bucks. It definitely caught my eye. What was interesting was that on the front fenders it had a 'High Performance 260' emblem, NOT a 289!!! There was another Mustang in the neighborhood with the 'High Performance 289' emblems, so I knew the difference. I have never seen one since. It may have been a custom emblem, but I have always wondered. Gary From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu Jul 31 20:11:11 2008 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:11:11 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Engine ID Update: 260 HP Version of the 260? In-Reply-To: <653661.70806.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c8f37b$dfcb9fd0$24921840@ronpc1> Gary It's a 2 piece emblem so you could easily buy the High Performance back piece and put it with either the 260 or 289 emblem. Today you can buy even more emblems; 260, 289, 302 or 5.0 to apply over the High Performance back piece. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Crandall Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:12 PM To: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine ID Update: 260 HP Version of the 260? Since we are recollecting the past... when I was a young teenager in the summer of 1965, I remember rafting down the Merced river in Yosemite to Stoneman Bridge and jumping off the bridge (back when they let you have fun). As we were sitting on the side of the bridge waiting for more rafters to cannon ball, a new 1965 Mustang fastback came by with a teardrop hood. It was jacked up, competition orange and sounded like a million bucks. It definitely caught my eye. What was interesting was that on the front fenders it had a 'High Performance 260' emblem, NOT a 289!!! There was another Mustang in the neighborhood with the 'High Performance 289' emblems, so I knew the difference. I have never seen one since. It may have been a custom emblem, but I have always wondered. Gary You are subscribed as rfraser at bluefrog.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1584 - Release Date: 7/31/2008 12:00 PM From tgrrr at peoplepc.com Thu Jul 31 21:02:54 2008 From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:02:54 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 13 inch tires References: <000501c8f1c4$d39795b0$7ac6c110$@shaw@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <00ad01c8f383$18bb42d0$17ebf204@bob> I see where Sumitomo makes a 215/50HR13 http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Sumitomo&tireModel=HTR+200&partnum=15HR3HTR200&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&place=0 Haven't tried them... went to 16's Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norm Shaw" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 2:48 PM Subject: [Tigers] 13 inch tires >I know there has been 13 inch tire recommendations in past threads - given > the most recent info re: "old" tires - what are current > recommendations/availability of street performance 13 inch tires. I > currently run "old" 205/60/13 yokohama. > > > > Norm Shaw B9472386 > > Burnaby B.C. From atwittsend at verizon.net Thu Jul 31 22:49:19 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:49:19 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 13 inch tires References: <000501c8f1c4$d39795b0$7ac6c110$@shaw@shaw.ca> <00ad01c8f383$18bb42d0$17ebf204@bob> Message-ID: <003b01c8f391$f5ad6c50$0302a8c0@student2> I have the Sumitomo 215-50-13" on my Datsun 510. This small height tire really affected the rear ratio. 1st gear was good to the crosswalk. I was hitting 3rd gear before I got through the intersection. 60 MPH was 4,000 RPM. Thankfully the Z rears fit the 510. I went from 3.90 to 3.36 gears. It made all the difference. I'd say to factor everything in before using these tires on a Tiger. Then again, if you have a close ratio trans and getting off the line is of the highest order of importance.... . Tom >I see where Sumitomo makes a 215/50HR13 > > http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Sumitomo&tireModel=HTR+200&partnum=15HR3HTR200&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes&place=0 > > Haven't tried them... went to 16's > > Bob > > >>I know there has been 13 inch tire recommendations in past threads - given >> the most recent info re: "old" tires - what are current >> recommendations/availability of street performance 13 inch tires. I >> currently run "old" 205/60/13 yokohama. >> >> >> >> Norm Shaw B9472386 >> >> Burnaby B.C. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1584 - Release Date: 7/31/2008 12:00 PM From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Jul 31 23:48:36 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:48:36 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] dan walters Message-ID: Does anyone have dan walters contact info? I found his phone nu,ber on the old STOA site.. but does he have a web page or email? -- Regards Michael King