From Rollright at aol.com Wed Jan 2 07:17:53 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 09:17:53 EST Subject: [Tigers] evpansion tank and straps Message-ID: Hello, Car at body shop getting engine bay painted body color. Doing it right. But, I need to know the color to paint the expansion tank and straps. Beaded and resoldered. Painting at home with spray cans. In the Car and Driver and Road & Track road tests in the 1964 period, the tank looks kind of flatish black and the straps somewhat glossier. Can anyone set me in the right direction with paint colors and glosses ? Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From sunbeamjohn at msn.com Wed Jan 2 10:16:25 2008 From: sunbeamjohn at msn.com (sunbeam john) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:16:25 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tension Rod Removal Message-ID: Hello Everyone and Happy New Years, Can someone help me with how to remove the convertible top tension rod from the soft top frame. Thank you, John Cossman sunbeamjohn at msn.com From mark.rense at ge.com Wed Jan 2 13:17:51 2008 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:17:51 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Fifty Worst Cars List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Happy New Year! And now for something completely different.... Not particularly Tiger-related, but an interesting diversion from the winter blahs: http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1658545_1657686_1 657662,00.html I got a kick out of reading (and cursing) this 50 Worst Cars of All Time list. As you may suspect, there are several British cars mentioned; nothing, however, from the Rootes stables. So, what determines "WORST" for you? Criteria can be quality, performance, styling, and/or a combination. It is said that one man's flaw is another man's idea of character. If that were not true, we'd all be driving Corollas, I guess. Still bored? How about a poll? This is an international list, should be some interesting perspectives. Which car(s) would you put on this, the 50 Worst Cars of All Time? (VW 411, Porsche 924, Mustang II, GM Diesel cars like the Olds Calais LT6 V-6, and Chevy Vega come to mind, and don't get me started on British Leyland, or we'll never get out of here!) And What is the worst car you PERSONALLY have owned? (Hard choice for anyone enduring the products of Great Britain. Mine (quality-wise and expectation-wise, at least) was a '93 Ford SHO Taurus, great high-revving Yamaha engine, everything else attached to it was junk. Towed in six times in the 10 months of ownership, the car was re-purchased back from me under the state Lemon Law. Great idea, high expectations, very flawed execution. Second place was close: a '77 BMW 320i, never buy a first-year car. Very happy it was stolen, repair bills out-paced car value, made me pine for my 2002.) Bugz From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Jan 2 13:35:58 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:35:58 EST Subject: [Tigers] Fifty Worst Cars List Message-ID: Bugz, Thanks for the list of worse cars. I quickly went through the 1990-present cars and pretty much agreed with their reasoning...possibly not the Jag. The Aztec comment had me laughing out loud. It was my exact reaction the first time that I saw it. Mark **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From glowboy at starstream.net Wed Jan 2 13:48:22 2008 From: glowboy at starstream.net (DERRICK SCHMIDT) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:48:22 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Fifty Worst Cars List Message-ID: <200801021248.AA4234871068@mail.starstream.net> Amazing, my two best cars were a '79 320i and a '91 SHO. Bought my SHO with 17k on it. It was running great without ANY major stuff - it was sweet from 3.5k to 5.5k rpm to the end - (I admit, the occsaional switch, door lock and window motor - that's about it) in 183k miles. Sold it when the first belt drven accessory went - alternator. Got $1,100 for it. LOVED that car. My 320i was also GREAT, picked it up European delivery (CA spec). Cummuted to & from UCLA to PCH on Sunset Blvd daily for 8.5 years (B.S. & Ph.D) with Bilstein suspension upgrade and 50 series tires - knew where EVERY radar cop hung out. Never did anything but plugs, points, cap, rotor & oil and put over 100 k on it, gave it to my sister, then sold it and that person was still driving without problems at 200k. Luck of the draw, I suppose. Derrick '66 MkIA sitting waiting for my daughters to finish college ... problem is, they haven't started yet. Mine >(quality-wise and expectation-wise, at least) was a '93 Ford SHO Taurus, >great high-revving Yamaha engine, everything else attached to it was >junk. Towed in six times in the 10 months of ownership, the car was >re-purchased back from me under the state Lemon Law. Great idea, high >expectations, very flawed execution. Second place was close: a '77 BMW >320i, never buy a first-year car. Very happy it was stolen, repair bills >out-paced car value, made me pine for my 2002.) ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.starstream.net From arado7 at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 2 14:41:17 2008 From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:41:17 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Fifty Worst Cars List References: Message-ID: <000601c84d88$3535fa00$6401a8c0@GMI> I found the list suspect. They did not mention the Chevrolet Vega..The worst piece of crap made....aluminum bore..... From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Jan 2 15:57:41 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 17:57:41 EST Subject: [Tigers] Fifty Worst Cars List Message-ID: I see that Yugo made the list. I remember that Consumer Reports said that it was the first car that they couldn't test. They felt it wasn't safe enough to test. I always wondered specifically what they found that made them say that. Mark **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From chris at cthompson.net Wed Jan 2 16:11:16 2008 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:11:16 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Fifty Worst Cars List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <477C1A14.8090504@cthompson.net> A friend of mine went into an auto parts store and said to the clerk "I'll take a gas cap for my Yugo". The clerk thought for a second and responded "sounds fair!" Chris CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > I see that Yugo made the list. I remember that Consumer Reports said that it > was the first car that they couldn't test. They felt it wasn't safe enough > to test. I always wondered specifically what they found that made them say > that. > Mark From gswaybright at yahoo.com Wed Jan 2 16:57:14 2008 From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:57:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Fifty Worst Cars List In-Reply-To: <477C1A14.8090504@cthompson.net> Message-ID: <746324.60565.qm@web31709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My worst car, by far was a 1980 Chevy Monza (Iron Duke 4 banger engine). Any car with that engine should be on the list. The Vega that spawned the Monza should be on the list. My '74 Pinto was a far better car than the Monza could ever hope to be. I can't agree with many of their 50 selections, particularly ones where the reason was that the vehicle caused some negative social/envoronmental impact (ie. Explorer caused the explosion in big SUVs). Of course I usually find something to like about almost any car and I like many of the cars they listed. I'll agree with the Yugo, Trabant and Chevette as a truely bad cars... they list a number of cars that were bad business decisions but not bad cars in and of themselves (the AirFlow or even Jag X-type). From bamcnulty at optonline.net Wed Jan 2 18:11:30 2008 From: bamcnulty at optonline.net (Tony McNulty) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 20:11:30 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Fifty Worst Cars List References: <746324.60565.qm@web31709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003901c84da5$92e34690$0200a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Listers: It often has to do with quality, whether if in fabrication, materials, or both. My very worst car was a late 70's era Alfa Romeo Sprint Veloce. It ran well for only about two weeks following a shop tuning (the mechanical fuel injection made it impossible to do at home), and then it turned into a dog. But far worse was the coachwork, which after 2-3 years turned into a rust spiderweb -- and then the rubber "U-Joints" started coming apart (no kidding -- rubber!!!). I couldn't bring myself to sell it to anyone, so I gave the damned thing away. What a dumper! For my money, Alfas are junk! Very pretty styling, but less than skin deep. Tony Mc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Waybright" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fifty Worst Cars List > My worst car, by far was a 1980 Chevy Monza (Iron Duke 4 banger > engine). Any car with that engine should be on the list. The Vega that > spawned the Monza should be on the list. My '74 Pinto was a far better > car than the Monza could ever hope to be. > > I can't agree with many of their 50 selections, particularly ones where > the reason was that the vehicle caused some negative > social/envoronmental impact (ie. Explorer caused the explosion in big > SUVs). Of course I usually find something to like about almost any car > and I like many of the cars they listed. > > I'll agree with the Yugo, Trabant and Chevette as a truely bad cars... > they list a number of cars that were bad business decisions but not bad > cars in and of themselves (the AirFlow or even Jag X-type). > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bamcnulty at optonline.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Jan 2 18:26:36 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:26:36 EST Subject: [Tigers] Fifty Worst Cars List Message-ID: Yes, it might have been a mess, but I bet those rubber u-joints gave a nice smooth drivetrain:-) M **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From crabco at shaw.ca Wed Jan 2 19:29:29 2008 From: crabco at shaw.ca (Tim Webster) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:29:29 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Water inlet elbow Message-ID: <000601c84db0$79511940$6500a8c0@BigBlack> Fellow Listers, I need to know what finish is correct for the water inlet elbow? This is the 90 degree nipple that threads into the intake manifold beside the temperature sender. There are a few choices including gold zinc which my Mustang guy claims would be period correct. I sort of thought they would have been painted the same colour as the manifold itself assuming a 2bbl original. This is an F4-B installation and I am not really a chrome guy. What would the purist do? New question. I have a set of Sparto reverse lights which I intend to use. I have been looking into David Kee's part C5ZZ-15520-A to use as a switch on the Toploader. He is unsure whether it is the right one for the job Has anyone got some insight on how to a: find the right part and b: mount the switch correctly? My last question about heat shields for the motor mounts was interesting and revealed the spirit of the Tiger list. In the end Jerry from Tyler TX solved the problem by making me a SS set and sending them to me here in Canada. They fit perfectly and I take my hat off to to the man. A true Tiger ambassador. Regards, Tim Webster From mrlau at charter.net Wed Jan 2 19:39:29 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 02:39:29 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Fifty Worst Cars List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080103023829.BBMV17353.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> Yugo's have the distinction of being the only car I know of that you can quadruple the value of in 10 minutes. Just fill it with gas. -- Bill -- I see that Yugo made the list. I remember that Consumer Reports said that it was the first car that they couldn't test. They felt it wasn't safe enough to test. I always wondered specifically what they found that made them say that. Mark From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Jan 2 22:15:37 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 21:15:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Last picture of the Oil filter Message-ID: <268453.15743.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bolted the bracket and filter to the motor for a check. Looks pretty good ;-). The picture is at the end of the page on the motor section. I also added part number for the canton filter and related, also for the fire extinguisher bracket (can't remember if I posted that too). www.gtsparkplugs.com follow the cars links to the tiger page. Sandy From Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com Wed Jan 2 22:23:00 2008 From: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com (Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 21:23:00 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Help Russ! Message-ID: Russ is on the Digest and gets the Digest. But his posts never end up being sent out. I've confirmed he is sending them to the right address. He also wrote to Mark J. B. for help and hasn't received a response. Can any one give him suggestions on how to fix this? I seem to remember some subscribers having issues like this. Were they all Yahoo folks too? 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Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com To: crabco at shaw.ca Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water inlet elbow Contact John Logan (CARMODS at AOL.COM) for the switch question. He is trying to fabricate some new parts for the Sparto lights and may be able to help you. Fred Baum 9470768, no Spartos ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter. From mark.rense at ge.com Thu Jan 3 11:20:56 2008 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 13:20:56 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Fifty Worst Cars List In-Reply-To: <003e01c84e12$347f1260$f03dc048@13930193605348f> References: <003e01c84e12$347f1260$f03dc048@13930193605348f> Message-ID: Blasphemy! -----Original Message----- From: Alvin Johnson Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:09 AM To: CoolVT at aol.com; bamcnulty at optonline.net; gswaybright at yahoo.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fifty Worst Cars List Shouldn't the Sunbeam Imp be prominent on this list? From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Thu Jan 3 13:14:20 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 12:14:20 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Water inlet elbow In-Reply-To: <000601c84db0$79511940$6500a8c0@BigBlack> References: <000601c84db0$79511940$6500a8c0@BigBlack> Message-ID: <477D421C.4010708@SoCal.rr.com> Tim, Try FORD. Mine is an aluminum color. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Tim Webster wrote: > Fellow Listers, > > I need to know what finish is correct for the water inlet elbow? This is the > 90 degree nipple that threads into the intake manifold beside the temperature > sender. There are a few choices including gold zinc which my Mustang guy > claims would be period correct. I sort of thought they would have been painted > the same colour as the manifold itself assuming a 2bbl original. This is an > F4-B installation and I am not really a chrome guy. What would the purist do? > > New question. I have a set of Sparto reverse lights which I intend to use. I > have been looking into David Kee's part C5ZZ-15520-A to use as a switch on the > Toploader. He is unsure whether it is the right one for the job Has anyone got > some insight on how to a: find the right part and b: mount the switch > correctly? > > My last question about heat shields for the motor mounts was interesting and > revealed the spirit of the Tiger list. In the end Jerry from Tyler TX solved > the problem by making me a SS set and sending them to me here in Canada. They > fit perfectly and I take my hat off to to the man. A true Tiger ambassador. > > Regards, > > Tim Webster > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as slaifman at socal.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From drmayf at mayfco.com Fri Jan 4 07:29:56 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:29:56 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Field Stripping a Tiger.. Message-ID: <477E42E4.5010603@mayfco.com> Well, I am deep into taking the old girl apart for new paint prep and softgoods. I just have a couple or three things left to do and 2 of them are a puzzlement. Yeah, me puzzeled for sure. Here the issues are: 1. Side Chrome Strips. As I removed the rear fin Rootes Badges I saw a teensy tiny little nut (really tiny!) and it anchors the rear of the last chrome strip. Both sides have this. Every other fastener I have removed came off easily; well not this one. I broke the drivers side one using the teeniest wrench I had. So the big question now is how to remove the chrome strips for the entire car? How about the ones before and aft of the Tiger Script? The door pieces and of course, the rear fender pieces. How, exactly are they atttached to the body? Will I find more of these tiny jewels lurking in there somewhere or hopefully these are the only two? Do the strips slide off or pop off? What is the best tool if they need to be popped off? answers? Any other comments regarding the chrome strips? 2. The Window regulators. I need to remove both, I think, because of the window outside and inside weather strip and anti rattle felt pieces. Look like they are held on by clips than are inserted upwards to hold these parts in place. I also need to remove the drivers regulator because it has developed an issue of over winding and then becoming unable to retract the window from full up. Right now I am struggling with the small glass in front of the main window, especially the two fasteners at the bottom One is rusted in place and the other is merely stuck. Any one have a how to to do this is reasonable fshion? I may have to break the small bolts and redrill and tap the threaded holes to get these out. Ok, but don't want to unless I have to. How aboout it? Any experienced regulator removers out there? answers? Any other related comments? 3. Oh, I almost forgot, the drivers door simply will not close all the way. Seems to hit someting solid at full closure preventing it from going deep enough to match the fender line. The other side works perfectly. I had damaged this one before so no doubt that is a major player here. Do the hinges close completely when the door is closed? I can check that with some foil I guess. But anyway, any ideas on making the doors fit perfectly? 4. Windshield alignment. Mine seems tomlean back a bit too much as the vent window front chrome is just off a bit with the windshield frame. One of the guys I remember devised a trick method of aligning and not using the tapered rubber pieces under the frame. Where can I rind that article? That'll do for now... mayf From mjsutter at cox.net Fri Jan 4 10:19:58 2008 From: mjsutter at cox.net (mjsutter at cox.net) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:19:58 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] LAT Flare Pictures Message-ID: <000e01c84ef6$08655880$3ef0c548@sutter> Hey Listers, Can anyone provide a quick link to an image showing LAT flares installed on a Tiger? Mike Sutter In between Tigers at the moment From rootes1 at earthlink.net Fri Jan 4 12:49:06 2008 From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 11:49:06 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] UK VISITOR LOOKING FOR "HOOK-UP" Message-ID: Check it out. Maybe some of you can get connected. The Wildgoose machine is ERW 729C - B9472967 HROFE. That was Marcus Chambers' personal ride. ncm >Hi, This is John Day from the UK, owner of the Gregor Grant Mk 11 >since about 1976,and founder member of the UK S.T.O.C. >You may recall we met a few times although there has been lots of >water under the bridge since then. >I acquired the car by exchanging it for an Ex Rally Mk 1 with Martin >Wildgoose when he lived in the UK. I would think there is a fair >chance he still has it- is he a member of CAT I wonder? >If not I will chase up the full UK registration, it was ERW >something,pale blue, as I would love to see the car again. >I am visiting LA on Sat 2nd Feb for a few days and hope to catch up >with a few owners- I attended many early events and knew Ian and >Laura Garrad well, going to a few Tigers United. >Please feel free to send this email round as I would welcome contact >from anyone I knew 25 years ago. >There may even be an event I could attend on the 3rd Feb? >Many thanks, John dayefa at aol.com > >Out of interest I owned >Car 6 with T10 box >The Harrington Tiger >Rally Mk I as above >Boss Cat with a 302 >Last Tiger built, Green MkII -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: 1/4/2008 12:05 PM From drmayf at mayfco.com Fri Jan 4 12:53:58 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 11:53:58 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Field Struipping the Tiger Message-ID: <477E8ED6.8080600@mayfco.com> This morning I asked about the chroime strips. Well, after I had broken the rear most anchor on the drivers side, the screw on one just ahead of the rear fender strip, I decided to take matters into my own hands. I got a thin bladed screw driver and gently worked every piece off. The strips just pop off. These are original rivites installel way back around October 1964. The small piece I broke I have co=ncluded is there to bring the strip into shape with the fender and to firmly hold it in place. For you other folk who want to do this, two recommendations: 1 get some trim removal tools in the form of thin tough nylon for prying with. Be firm but gentle and be like a doctor...first do no harm... 2. On the back two screw retaineres, one each fender, use penetrating oil . These are really really small screws and for some reason rust after approximately 43 years or so. Untypical of Brit cars, lol. By the way, the rivits are a pop rivit but the head side makes a little mushroom or bulb when it is installed. I do no tbeieve I have ever seen one like it before. mayf From drmayf at mayfco.com Sat Jan 5 08:43:42 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 07:43:42 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Revertse Field Stripping of Tiger. Message-ID: <477FA5AE.6030902@mayfco.com> The only things I have left to do now are to remove the outer door handles. Any secrets there? Now for the put backs. I found that the methods of holding the window weather strips and the fuzzy inside anti rattle strips are different from the S5 that is the race car and the Mki. The S5 clips had to be put on fromt he bottom. The MKi, my current interest is a tad bit different. Looks like they clip to the weather stipiing and the fuzzy anti rattle and then get pushed back into place from the top. Or do you put them in place and then try to install the strips? The fizzy was [pretty hard to remove because that clip really latches onto the metal part of it. I'm thinking better off the car then put the assy into the door from the top. Boy, do I need a lot of Rubber! I drilled out the rivits that hold the headlight buckets in place and the gasket fell completely apart on both. OEM stuff, heck only lasted 43 years. Cheap crap, lol. Putting the driverss side window regulator back is is gonna be a hoot also! But I understand how it is done now, lol. Lots oif bad words, kick the tires a few times run to the bathroom a few more times and it just falls out. NOT. ANyway, listening for thoughts about the window weather stripping and fuzzy anti rattle... mayf From drmayf at mayfco.com Sat Jan 5 12:48:17 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 11:48:17 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Field Stripping a Tiger Message-ID: <477FDF01.3060605@mayfco.com> Well, the car is disassembled as far as I am gonna take it! I removed the outer door handles, far easier than I expected for a change. SO the car's exterior is nude. No windshield, no soft top hide away covers, no headlight buckets, no nothing. I do have one final question though and it relates to the small side cover panels for the soft top cover. There are a couple of rubber trip pieces at the ends where the center panel rests when closed. There are a couple of really nice looking rivits, like maybe they were put on by ex Spitfire fabricator. I need new rubber pieces there as these have long disappeared but what and how do the new ones get held on? Do I have to find an original factory worker to put them on or do I just use some screws or what? Car heads to the paint shop Mondayr maybe even tomorrow... mayf From wwwdg at webtv.net Sun Jan 6 15:20:50 2008 From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary Franchi) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:20:50 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Reverse Switch Message-ID: Tim, The Tiger reverse switch was Ford part number C2AZ-15520-E (Motorcraft #SW-407) it is quite a bit different than David Kee's C5ZZ-15520-A (Motorcraft #SW-770) Mustang switch. The Tiger switch bolts onto the shift lever support assembly through a 1/2" hole (the big black arrow in the photo link of the Ford parts book below is pointing at the mounting hole). The C5ZZ Mustang switch mounts 90? to the C2AZ Tiger switch. I don't know if the Mustang C5ZZ switch can be mounted on the Tiger shift lever support assembly. You may be able to get it to work, but it might be easier to find a switch similar to the Tigers "straight through the bracket" switch. If you watch eBay these Ford Galaxie/Tiger switches are on auction, now and then, they usually sell for over $50.00. You could probably find a push button switch at a large electrical store which could be made to mount through the Tigers bracket. David Franchi C2AZ Tiger Reverse Switch http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/12773325/296637083jpg C5ZZ Mustang Reverse Switch http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/12773325/296637085.jpg Both Together http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/12773325/296637086.jpg Ford Parts Book Photo http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/12773325/296637087.jpg From wwwdg at webtv.net Sun Jan 6 15:27:18 2008 From: wwwdg at webtv.net (David or Gary Franchi) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:27:18 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Reverse Switch Message-ID: Link to the Tiger switch that works, sorry. David http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/12773325/296637083.jpg From rjw at wengco.com Mon Jan 7 05:57:58 2008 From: rjw at wengco.com (Robert J. Wanty) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 07:57:58 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Wiper Motor Message-ID: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C566DBED@weco1.wengco.com> It seems that mine is toast, does anyone out there have a working motor that they would like to sell? Thanks Bob B382001318 From CMcCann at lwpb.com Mon Jan 7 07:10:37 2008 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 08:10:37 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Wiper Motor In-Reply-To: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C566DBED@weco1.wengco.com> References: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C566DBED@weco1.wengco.com> Message-ID: Bob, I have two that I don't need, but there are 3 wires I think coming out of each. I don't know how to test them. If you can tell me the best way to test I would be happy to send you one for minimal cost and shipping. Where are you located? Subject: [Tigers] Wiper Motor It seems that mine is toast, does anyone out there have a working motor that they would like to sell? Thanks Bob B382001318 You are subscribed as cmccann at lwpb.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From crabco at shaw.ca Mon Jan 7 17:59:56 2008 From: crabco at shaw.ca (Tim Webster) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:59:56 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Tigers Reverse Switch Message-ID: <000e01c85191$c90ba330$6500a8c0@BigBlack> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Webster" To: "David or Gary Franchi" Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Reverse Switch > David, > > Thanks very much for your efforts re: Tiger back up lights switch. I was > wondering what the hole was for and if it might have been related and > haven't heard back from David Kee. > > What you did completely clarifies the matter and I see that the C5 part > would be a problem to install. > > The C2 part can't be bought new so I will take your advice and check out > the situation on eBay. I think your last suggestion about adapting > something from an electrical store would be practical. On my boat I have a > push switch that activates a pump. It almost looks like one of those would > pop right in there as long as it had the right shaft length. > > I have been holding off reinstalling the 260 in order to get this done > first. I think I'll go ahead and put the engine in now as it looks like > this wouldn't be too hard to fit up afterwards. > > Thanks again and best regards, > > Tim Webster > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David or Gary Franchi" > To: ; > Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 2:27 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Reverse Switch > > >> Link to the Tiger switch that works, sorry. >> David >> http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL439/2051017/12773325/296637083.jpg From rtscolgan at yahoo.com Mon Jan 7 18:56:55 2008 From: rtscolgan at yahoo.com (Russ and Tammy C.) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:56:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] joining up Message-ID: <726931.87811.qm@web50904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Sirs--I have been trying to subscribe to this link for several weeks now to no avail I need help. Thank you Russ Colgan RTSCOLGAN at YAHOO.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From mrlau at charter.net Mon Jan 7 19:58:16 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 02:58:16 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Tigers Reverse Switch In-Reply-To: <000e01c85191$c90ba330$6500a8c0@BigBlack> Message-ID: <20080108025715.QSDK17353.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> You can go to a junkyard and look for something that is right. There couldn't have been too many companies that made switches like that during that era and they probably are all similar. Switches that are more modern might operate a relay and not be able to carry the load of a straight hook up. -- Bill -- > David, > > Thanks very much for your efforts re: Tiger back up lights switch. I was > wondering what the hole was for and if it might have been related and > haven't heard back from David Kee. > > What you did completely clarifies the matter and I see that the C5 part > would be a problem to install. > > The C2 part can't be bought new so I will take your advice and check out > the situation on eBay. I think your last suggestion about adapting > something from an electrical store would be practical. On my boat I have a > push switch that activates a pump. It almost looks like one of those would > pop right in there as long as it had the right shaft length. > > I have been holding off reinstalling the 260 in order to get this done > first. I think I'll go ahead and put the engine in now as it looks like > this wouldn't be too hard to fit up afterwards. > > Thanks again and best regards, > > Tim Webster From tsmit at shaw.ca Mon Jan 7 20:23:45 2008 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:23:45 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] joining up In-Reply-To: <726931.87811.qm@web50904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <726931.87811.qm@web50904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4782ECC1.6010702@shaw.ca> Russ, You can't post to the list without being a list member, so it looks to me like you succeeded. If you get this reply twice, and one includes the team.net trailer, and the other doesn't, then you're getting the list mail. If you get a daily list digest then you're subscribed to the digest format of the list. Theo Russ and Tammy C. wrote: > Sirs--I have been trying to subscribe to this link for several weeks now to no avail I need help. Thank you Russ Colgan RTSCOLGAN at YAHOO.com From drmayf at mayfco.com Mon Jan 7 22:41:33 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:41:33 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] joining up In-Reply-To: <726931.87811.qm@web50904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <726931.87811.qm@web50904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47830D0D.9070605@mayfco.com> Welcome aboard! Tell us a bit about youselves and yor car(s) or projects? mayf Russ and Tammy C. wrote: >Sirs--I have been trying to subscribe to this link for several weeks now to no avail I need help. Thank you Russ Colgan RTSCOLGAN at YAHOO.com > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as drmayf at mayfco.com > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive From rtscolgan at yahoo.com Mon Jan 7 22:46:28 2008 From: rtscolgan at yahoo.com (Russ and Tammy C.) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 21:46:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Alternator wiring. Message-ID: <104732.9782.qm@web50910.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Sirs: To wire an alternator (new one wire) to my 65 it is my understanding that I must wire past the solenoid and use the one wire to go to the key start postion. Correct? Russ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From macdonald49 at shaw.ca Tue Jan 8 00:04:05 2008 From: macdonald49 at shaw.ca (Peter MacDonald) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 23:04:05 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Message-ID: <70478556-1126-4D0D-9EFF-875CAD915625@shaw.ca> Take a deep breath and grab your wallets for this one! I guess the chrome trim wasn't covered by the restoration investment. http://wwwi.lemonfree.ca/4473126.html Peter From PhastPhill at aol.com Tue Jan 8 05:45:41 2008 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 07:45:41 EST Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale Message-ID: Last time I saw this car for sale it was listed as being in Ontario. The mystery deepens.... From pete_stanisavljevich at coxtarget.com Tue Jan 8 06:18:19 2008 From: pete_stanisavljevich at coxtarget.com (Peter Stanisavljevich) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 08:18:19 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger for sale In-Reply-To: <70478556-1126-4D0D-9EFF-875CAD915625@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1C49C365BAD2E54082C2E7BFD6EE262501E55617@EX-CL1.coxtarget.com> I hope he gets it. ps "Take a deep breath and grab your wallets for this one! I guess the chrome trim wasn't covered by the restoration investment." http://wwwi.lemonfree.ca/4473126.html From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Jan 8 07:35:06 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 07:35:06 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Alternator wiring. Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15760A059@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Hi Russ, The main output connection from the alternator goes to the same side of the solenoid as the battery connection. On the stock harness this is a large brown wire. If your one-wire alternator actually has three connections to be made, then one of the other two goes to the ignition (white wires on the stock harness) and the other goes to the charge indicator light. Theo From un-cole-a at juno.com Tue Jan 8 07:51:13 2008 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:51:13 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Alternator wiring. Message-ID: <20080108.095113.15349.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com> Russ and Tammy Give us some info on your Tiger!! What year is it? Color? Did you restore it? How original is it? Has it been TACed? Vin# ? You have come to the right place if you need questions answered. I'm in the early stages of restoration but this List has already been a wealth of knowledge for me. Tim B9470149 _____________________________________________________________ Click here to lower your monthly payments. Act now and save! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oMFKElRtakuBdIuuYV6JeRb29N 474RpinjI04vusZ1m1T28/ From robin02 at mindspring.com Tue Jan 8 08:06:59 2008 From: robin02 at mindspring.com (RObin Young) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:06:59 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Alternator wiring. In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15760A059@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15760A059@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <005c01c85208$1e942360$6900a8c0@RobinLaptop> Theo, where would the amp meter hook up on the alternator modification? Mine worked Ok with the generator but does not now function. Thanks RObin Hi Russ, The main output connection from the alternator goes to the same side of the solenoid as the battery connection. On the stock harness this is a large brown wire. If your one-wire alternator actually has three connections to be made, then one of the other two goes to the ignition (white wires on the stock harness) and the other goes to the charge indicator light. Theo From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Jan 8 08:17:31 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 08:17:31 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Alternator wiring. Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15760A05B@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Hi Robin, If your ammeter was working OK with the generator, then you have the right wiring in place... you just have to use it with the alternator. The main output wire originally used for the generator (it's brown with a white or yellow stripe, I think) gets connected to the alternator output. Then, where the original regulator was (on the inner fender, between the firewall and the fusebox), you have to find that brown/yellow wire and connect it to the heavy wire that runs to the ammeter. However, you have to be careful that the ammeter doesn't overheat. If you run high current through the ammeter for a significant length of time, then the current-sensing element in the ammeter will get hot enough to melt the plastic it's mounted in, and basically fry the meter movement. Make very sure that the connections at the ammeter are ring lugs (not just spade connectors) and that the nuts holding the ring lugs on the post are tight, and that there is no corrosion on any of the ring lugs or the post terminals. Corrosion and poor connections cause extra heat buildup and will accelerate the destruction of the meter. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RObin Young Sent: January 8, 2008 8:07 AM To: Smit, Theo; 'Russ and Tammy C.'; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alternator wiring. Theo, where would the amp meter hook up on the alternator modification? Mine worked Ok with the generator but does not now function. Thanks RObin From stubrennan at comcast.net Tue Jan 8 08:38:55 2008 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (stubrennan at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:38:55 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Alternator wiring. Message-ID: <010820081538.28545.4783990F000AF7E600006F812209229927020E02020A9D0D9A9B9C@comcast.net> The original Generator and ammeter were 30Amps, IIRC. Your new alternator is maybe 80A or 90A max, so don't even think of running this throught he 30A ammeter. Didn't somebody make a higher current ammeter that looks original? Didn't the Mk2's have alternators? What did they have for ammeters? Stu From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 08:41:02 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 15:41:02 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] MKII headlight rims Message-ID: <39a841b0801080741n2fb1bce3i2b81f5d3342c32a2@mail.gmail.com> if anyone has a nice chrome pair of mkii headlight rims they'd consider letting go of, please contact me. thanks. From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Jan 8 08:45:39 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 08:45:39 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Alternator wiring. Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15760A05D@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> The Mk2 never actually had an ammeter, but there is a 50A ammeter that is close to the original in font and trim. The ammeter should only measure the current going to and from the battery, so it is unlikely to pass the rated alternator output for any significant period of time. Most of the alternator output will be used to operate the car's electrical system. However, "should" is the operative term here. I think that in practice, a lot of installers were unclear on the intended purpose of the ammeter and wired them straight into the ammeter output, and that will definitely damage the ammeter in short order. Easy way to tell if your ammeter is wired right: Turn on the headlights (with the engine off and ignition off). Ammeter needle should go to the "-" side. Now turn off the headlights and start the engine. Ammeter should go to the "+" side, quite a bit when you first start it and then quickly go to a steady reading, closer to zero but still on the "+" side. If the ammeter doesn't move when you turn on the headlights, then it's wired incorrectly. Theo From CoolVT at aol.com Tue Jan 8 08:49:50 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:49:50 EST Subject: [Tigers] Alternator wiring. Message-ID: I was reading an article on converting an old Chevy from generator to alternator...they suggested switching to a voltmeter for just this reason. Does that make any sense and is there a matching voltmeter available? M **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com Tue Jan 8 09:29:23 2008 From: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com (Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 08:29:23 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Alternator wiring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As indicated, most are not actually single wire. On mine, there are three: B, S and L. S gets looped over and connected to B. B goes to the battery side of the starter solenoid. L goes to the light on the dash. This L is very important though, and is not just the "light" it also energizes the coils for the alternator to actually charge. The other wire to the light must go to keyed power. So, when the keyed power is on, the power flows through the light to the coils which lead to ground and charges the coils. When the alternator then spins, the power shuts off the light. Note that my alternator is a Hitachi off of a Nissan Z. I pulled the wiring diagram of the Z and found it wired exactly as above, including the looped S to B. It did have one more item though. Parallel to the light itself was a resistor. This must allow for the charging to still work even if the bulb blows. I never put in a resistor and my bulb has never blown. Before I had this wired correctly, the alternator would not charge immediately upon start up and needed a blip of the gas to get it going - which charged the coils from the other end. Jay ====================================================================== Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in and transmitted with this communication is strictly confidential, is intended only for the use of the intended recipient, and is the property of Countrywide Financial Corporation or its affiliates and subsidiaries. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of the information contained in or transmitted with the communication or dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited by law. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately return this communication to the sender and delete the original message and any copy of it in your possession. ====================================================================== From parlanti at comcast.net Tue Jan 8 09:38:50 2008 From: parlanti at comcast.net (Joe Parlanti) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:38:50 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Alternator wiring. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <014e01c85214$fa940f90$efbc2eb0$@net> Rick at Sunbeam Specialties has a voltmeter that looks very correct. It's has the Jaeger logo and correct font. The silkscreen is not as crisp as the original gauges, but for 99% of the folks who will see the gauge, they'll never know it was not a restored original item. I think I paid about $75 a few years back for it. If you need a photo of it, contact me off list and I'll send one over. Joe Parlanti B382000026 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+parlanti=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+parlanti=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:50 AM To: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com; stubrennan at comcast.net; robin02 at mindspring.com; rtscolgan at yahoo.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Alternator wiring. I was reading an article on converting an old Chevy from generator to alternator...they suggested switching to a voltmeter for just this reason. Does that make any sense and is there a matching voltmeter available? M From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net Tue Jan 8 12:17:58 2008 From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:17:58 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] 'Nother Tiger for sale Message-ID: <4783CC66.308@cox.net> This one is in the January issue of Classic & Sports Car magazine. Page 199. Claims to be famous; picture looks like an ex-rally car. The "price band" it's in is: 100,000-200,000 pounds. So, lessee, that's about $200,000-400,000. Is that a new record for a non-LeMans Tiger?? Best Regards David Sosna From harryb at elams.org Tue Jan 8 13:25:26 2008 From: harryb at elams.org (Harry B. Elam) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:25:26 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Ammeters Message-ID: <4783DC36.2010504@elams.org> B38200471 has a volt meter, even though I have an original ammeter. I think the volt meter is a superior trouble shooting tool. Harry Elam B382000472 NASA/FF5 Cobra #66 NASA/FF5 Daytona Coupe #51 From rootes1 at earthlink.net Tue Jan 8 13:34:39 2008 From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:34:39 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] 'Nother Tiger for sale In-Reply-To: <4783CC66.308@cox.net> References: <4783CC66.308@cox.net> Message-ID: Not bad for an "Alger"!!! http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/tac/clone-page02.htm ncm At 11:17 AM 1/8/2008, David Sosna wrote: >This one is in the January issue of Classic & Sports Car magazine. >Page 199. >Claims to be famous; picture looks like an ex-rally car. >The "price band" it's in is: 100,000-200,000 pounds. >So, lessee, that's about $200,000-400,000. >Is that a new record for a non-LeMans Tiger?? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1214 - Release Date: 1/8/2008 1:38 PM From bob at rjosten.com Tue Jan 8 13:49:25 2008 From: bob at rjosten.com (Bob Josten) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 12:49:25 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: Tigers Reverse Switch In-Reply-To: <20080108025715.QSDK17353.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> References: <000e01c85191$c90ba330$6500a8c0@BigBlack> <20080108025715.QSDK17353.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: Tim, this switch works. I got one for my mk2 and it fits perfectly. In case something happens to the link the part #is ACD2218A (AC Delco). It replaces GM part #90069100 which is harder to find (maybe discontinued) but also works. regards Bob http://www2.partstrain.com/basket.php?add_item_id=1622074 On 5/7/08, William Lau wrote: > You can go to a junkyard and look for something that is right. There > couldn't have been too many companies that made switches like that during > that era and they probably are all similar. Switches that are more modern > might operate a relay and not be able to carry the load of a straight hook > up. -- Bill -- > > > > David, > > > > Thanks very much for your efforts re: Tiger back up lights switch. I was > > wondering what the hole was for and if it might have been related and > > haven't heard back from David Kee. > > > > What you did completely clarifies the matter and I see that the C5 part > > would be a problem to install. > > > > The C2 part can't be bought new so I will take your advice and check out > > the situation on eBay. I think your last suggestion about adapting > > something from an electrical store would be practical. On my boat I have a > > > push switch that activates a pump. It almost looks like one of those would > > > pop right in there as long as it had the right shaft length. > > > > I have been holding off reinstalling the 260 in order to get this done > > first. I think I'll go ahead and put the engine in now as it looks like > > this wouldn't be too hard to fit up afterwards. > > > > Thanks again and best regards, > > > > Tim Webster > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as bob at rjosten.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From rtscolgan at yahoo.com Tue Jan 8 14:17:35 2008 From: rtscolgan at yahoo.com (Russ and Tammy C.) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:17:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Thank you all for the great information. Message-ID: <235546.81035.qm@web50911.mail.re2.yahoo.com> My new project car is a caranival red rust free California car that I picked up here in Oregon from a man that had moved up from California. It is a 2 top all original (260) .I had been certified already. I am going to put a 302 in it for now and keep it all original otherwise. It is all stripped down and waiting for paint. All of the other parts have been rebuilt cleaned and painted and are in waiting for the paint. I certainly appreciate all the information on the alternator. Now how do I hook up one of the new high torque starters? Thank you very much. Russ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Jan 8 14:25:29 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:25:29 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Thank you all for the great information. Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15760A063@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> The high torque mini-starter I got had its own solenoid, so I bypassed the factory solenoid (the starter cable got connected to the battery side of the original solenoid, and the starter control wire from the ignition switch was extended from the original solenoid to reach down to the spade lug on the starter). The original solenoid then functioned only to allow the ignition ballast resistor to be bypassed for starting. Theo From PhastPhill at aol.com Tue Jan 8 14:58:48 2008 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:58:48 EST Subject: [Tigers] Thank you all for the great information. Message-ID: I use a Ford Racing M50 I think it is. Just follow the directions and It bolts right on. Lots of room for headers and stuff and works fine. From mrlau at charter.net Tue Jan 8 15:14:24 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:14:24 -0000 Subject: [Tigers] Alternator wiring. In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15760A05D@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <20080108221319.RFYH14098.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> The MkII does have an ammeter. It is on the left side and says Lucas and 50 + and 50 -. Most later ammeters go through a shunt and part of the current goes through the shunt and the rest (a small amount) goes through the ammeter. In other words when 50 amps is coming from the alternator, 5 might be going through the ammeter and 45 through the shunt but the marks on the ammeter will say 50. I don't know it the MKII is straight through or shunt type because I have never had it apart. It would have to be relatively large wires and connections to be straight through so I doubt it. If anyone has been there maybe they can tell us how large the connections are and how big the wires are so we could know. The whole MK1 system is in question when installing a larger alternator or generator because the wires and connections are only designed for the original amount. If nothing ever happens it is fine but if that alternator is ever told to put out a large amount of amps, disaster could strike in the form of smoke from the insulation. I'm sure there is a fudge factor but it could have been already used up by the 40+ years they have existed. If you want to know more about how a shunt works, contact me directly--Bill -- The Mk2 never actually had an ammeter, but there is a 50A ammeter that is close to the original in font and trim. The ammeter should only measure the current going to and from the battery, so it is unlikely to pass the rated alternator output for any significant period of time. Most of the alternator output will be used to operate the car's electrical system. However, "should" is the operative term here. I think that in practice, a lot of installers were unclear on the intended purpose of the ammeter and wired them straight into the ammeter output, and that will definitely damage the ammeter in short order. Easy way to tell if your ammeter is wired right: Turn on the headlights (with the engine off and ignition off). Ammeter needle should go to the "-" side. Now turn off the headlights and start the engine. Ammeter should go to the "+" side, quite a bit when you first start it and then quickly go to a steady reading, closer to zero but still on the "+" side. If the ammeter doesn't move when you turn on the headlights, then it's wired incorrectly. Theo From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net Tue Jan 8 15:47:23 2008 From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:47:23 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] 'Nother Tiger for sale In-Reply-To: References: <4783CC66.308@cox.net> Message-ID: <4783FD7B.6080105@cox.net> Holy H*ll--that's the car!!! Same vendor as the 2006 ad, same license plate number, but they've jacked the price up by twice what it was. Guess if the price is high enough, someone (like me) will think it's the real deal. Best Regards David Sosna Norman C. Miller wrote: > Not bad for an > "Alger"!!! http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/tac/clone-page02.htm > > ncm > > At 11:17 AM 1/8/2008, David Sosna wrote: > > >> This one is in the January issue of Classic & Sports Car magazine. >> Page 199. >> Claims to be famous; picture looks like an ex-rally car. >> The "price band" it's in is: 100,000-200,000 pounds. >> So, lessee, that's about $200,000-400,000. >> Is that a new record for a non-LeMans Tiger?? From MWood24020 at aol.com Tue Jan 8 15:59:30 2008 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:59:30 EST Subject: [Tigers] 'Nother Tiger for sale Message-ID: Is it a pure "air" car or were the original bits from the rally car transferred to a new, Alpine unibody? Not that it really matters, that much... **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From macdonald49 at shaw.ca Tue Jan 8 16:05:28 2008 From: macdonald49 at shaw.ca (Peter MacDonald) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:05:28 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] voltmeter Message-ID: <58106F2B-4B12-4ECA-A6C3-0F19809A39CD@shaw.ca> I have had one in my car for many years. It is made by Smiths. The label on it reads "Battery Condition" - does not match the Jaeger lettering. The needle is white, points down, again not a match, but the size is the same and is a perfect fit in the opening reserved for the ammeter. part no. on front is "BV1000/00" Peter From joness at wsu.edu Wed Jan 9 08:58:16 2008 From: joness at wsu.edu (Stephen Jones) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 07:58:16 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Works Tigers 1964-1966 Message-ID: <000001c852d8$72932a80$405d7986@cahe.ad.wsu.edu> Has anyone figured out how to order "The Works Tigers 1964-1966" by Graham Rood yet? I have emailed the UK Tiger club a few times but they never seem to respond to much of anything. Seems like the kind of book that'll be out of print in a year. Any help would be great. thanks, steve jones B9470867 From CMcCann at lwpb.com Wed Jan 9 09:14:00 2008 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:14:00 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Lat 8 Valve Covers Message-ID: Friends, I have a question, obviously I'm missing something. On eBay right now there is a set of buddy bar casting Lat 8 Tiger valve covers, and they have been bid up to 255.00 and aren't even near the end of the auction, not even half way over. They look like they are on their way towards 600 bucks. ( or more) Rick as SS has them for 230.00 a pair in stock. They certainly look the same in the pictures to me. Is there that much of a difference for the valve covers (I guess being N.O.S.) between the set on eBay and Rick's reproduction set that someone would pay that much more for them? The buddy bar casting label is on the inside correct? How would you ever be able to tell the difference if there is any? .........is it a difference in bolt pattern or head style. late vs. early etc? Thanks, Cullen B382001452 From chris at cthompson.net Wed Jan 9 09:25:31 2008 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:25:31 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Works Tigers 1964-1966 In-Reply-To: <000001c852d8$72932a80$405d7986@cahe.ad.wsu.edu> References: <000001c852d8$72932a80$405d7986@cahe.ad.wsu.edu> Message-ID: <4784F57B.402@cthompson.net> I got an e-mail back promptly saying they had forwarded on my name to the publisher, who was working out a bulk shipment to the US, and that they would get back with me. We'll see.... Chris Stephen Jones wrote: > Has anyone figured out how to order "The Works Tigers 1964-1966" by Graham > Rood yet? I have emailed the UK Tiger club a few times but they never seem > to respond to much of anything. Seems like the kind of book that'll be out > of print in a year. Any help would be great. From laurin212 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 09:30:10 2008 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:30:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Works Tigers 1964-1966 In-Reply-To: <4784F57B.402@cthompson.net> Message-ID: <316186.51328.qm@web53607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> chris - pls let us know what you hear, i just looked up the book, sounds great, i am sure a bunch of us would put orders in if we figure out how to... thks peter --- Chris Thompson wrote: > I got an e-mail back promptly saying they had forwarded on my name to > the publisher, who was working out a bulk shipment to the US, and that > they would get back with me. > > We'll see.... > > Chris > > Stephen Jones wrote: > > Has anyone figured out how to order "The Works Tigers 1964-1966" by Graham > > Rood yet? I have emailed the UK Tiger club a few times but they never seem > > to respond to much of anything. Seems like the kind of book that'll be out > > of print in a year. Any help would be great. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as laurin212 at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > Peter Laurinaitis peter.laurinaitis.wg02 at wharton.upenn.edu From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 09:40:37 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:40:37 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Works Tigers 1964-1966 In-Reply-To: <316186.51328.qm@web53607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4784F57B.402@cthompson.net> <316186.51328.qm@web53607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0801090840h77553ae6wbcdfb8a8651f47fb@mail.gmail.com> i got it from the publisher in 2 days. (i live in the uk). its a fantastic book! On Jan 9, 2008 4:30 PM, Peter Laurinaitis wrote: > chris - pls let us know what you hear, i just looked up the book, sounds great, > i am sure a bunch of us would put orders in if we figure out how to... > > thks > peter > > --- Chris Thompson wrote: > > > I got an e-mail back promptly saying they had forwarded on my name to > > the publisher, who was working out a bulk shipment to the US, and that > > they would get back with me. > > > > We'll see.... > > > > Chris > > > > Stephen Jones wrote: > > > Has anyone figured out how to order "The Works Tigers 1964-1966" by Graham > > > Rood yet? I have emailed the UK Tiger club a few times but they never seem > > > to respond to much of anything. Seems like the kind of book that'll be out > > > of print in a year. Any help would be great. > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as laurin212 at yahoo.com > > > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > > Peter Laurinaitis > peter.laurinaitis.wg02 at wharton.upenn.edu > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From brichards at fineeyes.com Wed Jan 9 09:45:35 2008 From: brichards at fineeyes.com (Bruce) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:45:35 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Works Tigers 1964-1966 In-Reply-To: <4784F57B.402@cthompson.net> References: <000001c852d8$72932a80$405d7986@cahe.ad.wsu.edu> <4784F57B.402@cthompson.net> Message-ID: <000001c852df$128d64a0$d24595d0@D3FDRK91> I did find an Ausie site, http://www.pitstop.net.au/view/whats-new-last-7-days/page/query/plu/19993/ that has it for about $177 US. Bruce B9470147 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+brichards=fineeyes.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+brichards=fineeyes.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Thompson Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:26 AM To: Stephen Jones Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Works Tigers 1964-1966 I got an e-mail back promptly saying they had forwarded on my name to the publisher, who was working out a bulk shipment to the US, and that they would get back with me. We'll see.... Chris Stephen Jones wrote: > Has anyone figured out how to order "The Works Tigers 1964-1966" by Graham > Rood yet? I have emailed the UK Tiger club a few times but they never seem > to respond to much of anything. Seems like the kind of book that'll be out > of print in a year. Any help would be great. You are subscribed as brichards at fineeyes.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 09:53:22 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:53:22 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Works Tigers 1964-1966 In-Reply-To: <788131.66435.qm@web31706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <39a841b0801090840h77553ae6wbcdfb8a8651f47fb@mail.gmail.com> <788131.66435.qm@web31706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0801090853x7a25e338u4b49347bde3ccaf4@mail.gmail.com> this is the publisher - nice guy - member of the uk tiger club. give him a call or email him. Peter Shimmell Mercian Manuals Ltd 353 Kenilworth Road Balsall Common Coventry CV7 7DL 0044 (0) 1676 533304 0044 (0) 7768 063010 www.mercianmanuals.co.uk mercman at lineone.net On Jan 9, 2008 4:50 PM, Stephen Waybright wrote: > Do you think my sister in Antwerp would be able to get it from the > publisher as well? Who did you contact? > > > > --- Owain Lloyd wrote: > > > i got it from the publisher in 2 days. (i live in the uk). > > > > its a fantastic book! > > > > On Jan 9, 2008 4:30 PM, Peter Laurinaitis > > wrote: > > > chris - pls let us know what you hear, i just looked up the book, > > sounds great, > > > i am sure a bunch of us would put orders in if we figure out how > > to... > > > > > > thks > > > peter > > > > > > --- Chris Thompson wrote: > > > > > > > I got an e-mail back promptly saying they had forwarded on my > > name to > > > > the publisher, who was working out a bulk shipment to the US, and > > that > > > > they would get back with me. > > > > > > > > We'll see.... > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > Stephen Jones wrote: > > > > > Has anyone figured out how to order "The Works Tigers > > 1964-1966" by Graham > > > > > Rood yet? I have emailed the UK Tiger club a few times but > > they never seem > > > > > to respond to much of anything. Seems like the kind of book > > that'll be out > > > > > of print in a year. Any help would be great. From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Jan 9 09:59:55 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 09:59:55 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Lat 8 Valve Covers Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15760A069@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> >From what I know, the SS valve covers are produced from original dies, or from reworked original dies, using modern casting technology. So you get correct valve covers without any of the casting issues that older valve covers may have. I have a set of old Cobra covers on my engine (came with the Tiger) and they have a lot of knit lines and other imperfections. What you're seeing is eBay hype and buyers that don't know about Rick's offerings. A similar thing happened a few years ago where an "original" LAT hood went for $1100 or some such number... I'd much rather go to Kent Wilcox and get a new hood for half the price. Theo From CMcCann at lwpb.com Wed Jan 9 09:59:29 2008 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:59:29 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Lat 8 Valve Covers In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15760A069@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15760A069@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: Thanks Theo, I guess I just couldn't accept that so many people could be misled. Cullen -----Original Message----- From: Smit, Theo [mailto:Theo.Smit at dynastream.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:00 AM To: Cullen McCann; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Lat 8 Valve Covers >From what I know, the SS valve covers are produced from original dies, or from reworked original dies, using modern casting technology. So you get correct valve covers without any of the casting issues that older valve covers may have. I have a set of old Cobra covers on my engine (came with the Tiger) and they have a lot of knit lines and other imperfections. What you're seeing is eBay hype and buyers that don't know about Rick's offerings. A similar thing happened a few years ago where an "original" LAT hood went for $1100 or some such number... I'd much rather go to Kent Wilcox and get a new hood for half the price. Theo From CMcCann at lwpb.com Wed Jan 9 10:01:56 2008 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:01:56 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Lat 8 Valve Covers In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15760A069@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15760A069@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: I guess there is the potential for a new money making scheme. Buy 10 sets from Rick and resell them on eBay calling them " rare and hard to find" and quadruple ones investment. I'm in the wrong line of work I guess. Cullen -----Original Message----- From: Smit, Theo [mailto:Theo.Smit at dynastream.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:00 AM To: Cullen McCann; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Lat 8 Valve Covers >From what I know, the SS valve covers are produced from original dies, or from reworked original dies, using modern casting technology. So you get correct valve covers without any of the casting issues that older valve covers may have. I have a set of old Cobra covers on my engine (came with the Tiger) and they have a lot of knit lines and other imperfections. What you're seeing is eBay hype and buyers that don't know about Rick's offerings. A similar thing happened a few years ago where an "original" LAT hood went for $1100 or some such number... I'd much rather go to Kent Wilcox and get a new hood for half the price. Theo From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 10:14:03 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:14:03 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Works Tigers 1964-1966 In-Reply-To: <4784FDD2.2040606@mayfco.com> References: <4784F57B.402@cthompson.net> <316186.51328.qm@web53607.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <39a841b0801090840h77553ae6wbcdfb8a8651f47fb@mail.gmail.com> <4784FDD2.2040606@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0801090914v16b5a19cu59c6e13b6628a736@mail.gmail.com> yes, i could bring books over for people. i fly to chicago every couple of months, usually with an empty suitcase that comes back full of tiger parts :) but bear in mind the uk price is quite high in weak dollars - i paid the equivalent of a little over $100 to get my book with uk postage. if anyone wants to buy it and have it shipped to me, i'll send it on to you from chicago in mid feb. i could probably handle 5 or 6 copies ok. - owain. On Jan 9, 2008 5:01 PM, drmayf wrote: > Owain, maybe you have become our surce, lol! WOuld you consider buying > extra copies and mailing them to the various folk who pay up front and > send it to them? Plus a small handling fee for your effort? Think abou tit.. > > mayf, > pahrump, nevada > > Owain Lloyd wrote: > > >i got it from the publisher in 2 days. (i live in the uk). > > > >its a fantastic book! > > > >On Jan 9, 2008 4:30 PM, Peter Laurinaitis wrote: > > > > > >>chris - pls let us know what you hear, i just looked up the book, sounds great, > >>i am sure a bunch of us would put orders in if we figure out how to... > >> > >>thks > >>peter > >> > >>--- Chris Thompson wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>I got an e-mail back promptly saying they had forwarded on my name to > >>>the publisher, who was working out a bulk shipment to the US, and that > >>>they would get back with me. > >>> > >>>We'll see.... > >>> > >>>Chris > >>> > >>>Stephen Jones wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>Has anyone figured out how to order "The Works Tigers 1964-1966" by Graham > >>>>Rood yet? I have emailed the UK Tiger club a few times but they never seem > >>>>to respond to much of anything. Seems like the kind of book that'll be out > >>>>of print in a year. Any help would be great. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >>> > >>>You are subscribed as laurin212 at yahoo.com > >>> > >>>Tigers at autox.team.net > >>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >>> > >>>http://www.team.net/archive > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>Peter Laurinaitis > >>peter.laurinaitis.wg02 at wharton.upenn.edu > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >>You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > >> > >>Tigers at autox.team.net > >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >> > >>http://www.team.net/archive > >> > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > >You are subscribed as drmayf at mayfco.com > > > > >Tigers at autox.team.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > >http://www.team.net/archive From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Wed Jan 9 10:17:08 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:17:08 EST Subject: [Tigers] Lat 8 Valve Covers Message-ID: Same with traction Masters In a message dated 1/9/2008 9:05:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, CMcCann at lwpb.com writes: I guess there is the potential for a new money making scheme. Buy 10 sets from Rick and resell them on eBay calling them " rare and hard to find" and quadruple ones investment. I'm in the wrong line of work I guess. Cullen -----Original Message----- From: Smit, Theo [mailto:Theo.Smit at dynastream.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:00 AM To: Cullen McCann; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Lat 8 Valve Covers >From what I know, the SS valve covers are produced from original dies, or from reworked original dies, using modern casting technology. So you get correct valve covers without any of the casting issues that older valve covers may have. I have a set of old Cobra covers on my engine (came with the Tiger) and they have a lot of knit lines and other imperfections. What you're seeing is eBay hype and buyers that don't know about Rick's offerings. A similar thing happened a few years ago where an "original" LAT hood went for $1100 or some such number... I'd much rather go to Kent Wilcox and get a new hood for half the price. Theo You are subscribed as aaaglasss at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From jim at island.net Wed Jan 9 10:17:27 2008 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 09:17:27 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Lat 8 Valve Covers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <006c01c852e3$824653c0$0300a8c0@GatewayAMD3500> ... That's not much different than the guy that was selling those brand new 'rare as hen's teeth ' MK1A heater valves for $80+ on e-bay when they could be had for around $40 at LBC co. as they happen to be the same as an MGC part ...! Jim 382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen McCann Sent: January 9, 2008 9:02 AM To: Smit, Theo; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lat 8 Valve Covers I guess there is the potential for a new money making scheme. Buy 10 sets from Rick and resell them on eBay calling them " rare and hard to find" and quadruple ones investment. I'm in the wrong line of work I guess. Cullen -----Original Message----- From: Smit, Theo [mailto:Theo.Smit at dynastream.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:00 AM To: Cullen McCann; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Lat 8 Valve Covers >From what I know, the SS valve covers are produced from original dies, or from reworked original dies, using modern casting technology. So you get correct valve covers without any of the casting issues that older valve covers may have. I have a set of old Cobra covers on my engine (came with the Tiger) and they have a lot of knit lines and other imperfections. What you're seeing is eBay hype and buyers that don't know about Rick's offerings. A similar thing happened a few years ago where an "original" LAT hood went for $1100 or some such number... I'd much rather go to Kent Wilcox and get a new hood for half the price. Theo You are subscribed as jim at island.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 10:23:19 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:23:19 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Lat 8 Valve Covers In-Reply-To: <006c01c852e3$824653c0$0300a8c0@GatewayAMD3500> References: <006c01c852e3$824653c0$0300a8c0@GatewayAMD3500> Message-ID: <39a841b0801090923o34bda713n3840dff1716efa9d@mail.gmail.com> the previous owner of my car sold a set of dale a brakes for $200 more than dale charges on ebay! there aren't even any other sources of those and if you know what they are and wanted to have them, surely you'd know dale's prices - they're on his website. On Jan 9, 2008 5:17 PM, Jim wrote: > ... That's not much different than the guy that was selling those brand new > 'rare as hen's teeth ' MK1A heater valves for $80+ on e-bay when they could > be had for around $40 at LBC co. as they happen to be the same as an MGC > part ...! > > > Jim > 382000446 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cullen > McCann > Sent: January 9, 2008 9:02 AM > To: Smit, Theo; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Lat 8 Valve Covers > > I guess there is the potential for a new money making scheme. Buy 10 > sets from Rick and resell them on eBay calling them " rare and hard to > find" and quadruple ones investment. > > I'm in the wrong line of work I guess. > > Cullen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Smit, Theo [mailto:Theo.Smit at dynastream.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:00 AM > To: Cullen McCann; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [Tigers] Lat 8 Valve Covers > > >From what I know, the SS valve covers are produced from original dies, > or from reworked original dies, using modern casting technology. So you > get correct valve covers without any of the casting issues that older > valve covers may have. I have a set of old Cobra covers on my engine > (came with the Tiger) and they have a lot of knit lines and other > imperfections. > > What you're seeing is eBay hype and buyers that don't know about Rick's > offerings. A similar thing happened a few years ago where an "original" > LAT hood went for $1100 or some such number... I'd much rather go to > Kent Wilcox and get a new hood for half the price. > > Theo > You are subscribed as jim at island.net > > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From sixtysixtiger at hotmail.com Wed Jan 9 10:45:53 2008 From: sixtysixtiger at hotmail.com (sixtysixtiger at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 09:45:53 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Works Tigers 1964-1966 In-Reply-To: <39a841b0801090840h77553ae6wbcdfb8a8651f47fb@mail.gmail.com><788131.66435.qm@web31706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <39a841b0801090853x7a25e338u4b49347bde3ccaf4@mail.gmail.com> References: <39a841b0801090840h77553ae6wbcdfb8a8651f47fb@mail.gmail.com><788131.66435.qm@web31706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <39a841b0801090853x7a25e338u4b49347bde3ccaf4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I just received my copy and it looks great. It's a large format book and has a lot of very nice pictures in it (all B/W), along with all kinds of technical details and stories about each of the major races and rallies the works Tigers competed in. It ended up costing me about US$129 including postage and it took a couple of weeks to get to me here in Oregon. Phillip Silk very kindly supplied me with the ISBN number and a link to the online bookstore where he got his (and where I ordered my copy), but I've deleted his message after ordering. Maybe Phillip is monitoring the list and can send it out to the group... -- Arden -------------------------------------------------- From: "PHILLIP SILK" Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 4:21 PM To: "Tigerlist" Subject: [Tigers] New Tiger book > Guys: > > Have any of you seen the new Graham Rood book, The Works Tigers? I just > got > my copy from the UK and it's great. It was a little costly with the > exchange > rate and shipping, but well worth it - 400+ pages (with appendixes) of > Tiger > racing info. > > Hope everyone has a Merry Christmas. > > Phillip From chris at cthompson.net Wed Jan 9 10:55:06 2008 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:55:06 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Works Tigers 1964-1966 In-Reply-To: References: <39a841b0801090840h77553ae6wbcdfb8a8651f47fb@mail.gmail.com><788131.66435.qm@web31706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <39a841b0801090853x7a25e338u4b49347bde3ccaf4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47850A7A.1020205@cthompson.net> Well, I just ordered one on-line direct from Mercian Manuals. They say they'll get back with me on a shipping quote. http://payrollexchange.com/index.htm?books.htm We'll see..... Chris sixtysixtiger at hotmail.com wrote: > I just received my copy and it looks great. It's a large format book and has > a lot of very nice pictures in it (all B/W), along with all kinds of > technical details and stories about each of the major races and rallies the > works Tigers competed in. It ended up costing me about US$129 including > postage and it took a couple of weeks to get to me here in Oregon. Phillip > Silk very kindly supplied me with the ISBN number and a link to the online > bookstore where he got his (and where I ordered my copy), but I've deleted > his message after ordering. Maybe Phillip is monitoring the list and can > send it out to the group... > > -- Arden From laurin212 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 11:42:09 2008 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:42:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] need a trailer for my tiger - questions Message-ID: <572658.10553.qm@web53604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I am thinking of getting an enclosed trailer for my tiger, but want the flexibility to use it for other cars down the road, and perhaps hauling a track car around. Right now I am thinking of getting the Haulmark Thrifty Hauler car hauler 8.5' x 16' or 18', dual axles with total weight capacity of 10k lbs (incl trailer). Couple questions I have for those that may have some trailering experience: (1) would people recommend against an open trailer due to road damage during transit from rocks flying, etc, also prying eyes security issues, etc? have people experience much damage when using an open trailer? (2) for closed trailers, does anyone have any specific experience with the quality of Haulmark as a brand? other brands to consider. featherlite are nice and aluminum but very costly by comparison. (3) what is people's experience with big square box trailers for wind resistance vs those that have a v-nose or lower profile, does it make a big difference in pulling resistance, gas mileage, etc? (4) length - how much length is needed above and beyond the length of the car being towed if used for track use or generic use in people's experience? 3' of cargo space in front of the car for spare tires? more? (5) anyone use their trailer to store their tiger when not in use for extra protection? (6) any other advice or factors i should consider from those with experience? thanks! peter Peter Laurinaitis peter.laurinaitis.wg02 at wharton.upenn.edu From marden at mistral.co.uk Wed Jan 9 12:05:33 2008 From: marden at mistral.co.uk (marden at mistral.co.uk) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:05:33 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Works Tigers 1964-67 by Graham Rood Message-ID: <57872.1199905533@mistral.co.uk> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } To reply to the comments of Stephen Jones the Works Tigers book is a great read and I do have several in the STOC regalia stock. The recommended retail price is B#49.95 but the club sells it for a subsidised B#39.95. However there is a problem with overseas orders in that when packed for posting it weighs 3 kilos ( 6.5lbs). The cost of air mail to the USA is something like B#25 and this makes a total of B#75 (approx $150). I beleive Rick at S.S. is going to stock them or they can be ordered direct through www.mercianmanuals.co.uk [1] and pay by credit card. The site has a write up on the book and I beleive special postal rates. I,m sure an e-mail would get a response as to U.S. retailers. Happy New Year to all, Martin Pester TIGERMART ------------------------- Message sent via KC WebMail - http://webmail.mistral.net/ Links: ------ [1] http://www.mercianmanuals.co.uk From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Wed Jan 9 12:31:33 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:31:33 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Lat 8 Valve Covers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47852115.2070006@SoCal.rr.com> Cullen, I have purchased many things from Rick, and find his quality and service unsurpassed. Rick may be sourcing this from Traction-Master. I did, however, buy the bolt-on Traction Master bars from Traction-Master at: http://tractionmaster.com/app.html They are currently priced at $129/pair for either the bolt-on, or weld-on. I recommend the bolt-on, as the weld on give significant problems. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com AAAGLASSS at aol.com wrote: > Same with traction Masters > > > In a message dated 1/9/2008 9:05:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > CMcCann at lwpb.com writes: > > I guess there is the potential for a new money making scheme. Buy 10 > sets from Rick and resell them on eBay calling them " rare and hard to > find" and quadruple ones investment. > > I'm in the wrong line of work I guess. > > Cullen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Smit, Theo [mailto:Theo.Smit at dynastream.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:00 AM > To: Cullen McCann; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [Tigers] Lat 8 Valve Covers > > >From what I know, the SS valve covers are produced from original dies, > or from reworked original dies, using modern casting technology. So you > get correct valve covers without any of the casting issues that older > valve covers may have. I have a set of old Cobra covers on my engine > (came with the Tiger) and they have a lot of knit lines and other > imperfections. > > What you're seeing is eBay hype and buyers that don't know about Rick's > offerings. A similar thing happened a few years ago where an "original" > LAT hood went for $1100 or some such number... I'd much rather go to > Kent Wilcox and get a new hood for half the price. > > Theo > You are subscribed as aaaglasss at aol.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as slaifman at socal.rr.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Jan 9 12:31:43 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:31:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] need a trailer for my tiger - questions Message-ID: <630319.5658.qm@web82812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I prefer the open trailer, darn easy to tow. I have pulled an enclosed trailer, and it is much more work dealing with loading, towing (much less visibility, etc). And heavier. That being said, I'm in souther california and it is not a place where I encounter much bad weather. Close trailer are nice at the track in case you want to get out of the wind/sun/etc, and you can haul a tool box, compressor, generator or A/C unit etc without much trouble. I have an older featherlight open trailer and love it. You can move it by yourself, no rust, and easy to tow (very light). Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter Laurinaitis To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2008 10:42:09 AM Subject: [Tigers] need a trailer for my tiger - questions I am thinking of getting an enclosed trailer for my tiger, but want the flexibility to use it for other cars down the road, and perhaps hauling a track car around. Right now I am thinking of getting the Haulmark Thrifty Hauler car hauler 8.5' x 16' or 18', dual axles with total weight capacity of 10k lbs (incl trailer). Couple questions I have for those that may have some trailering experience: (1) would people recommend against an open trailer due to road damage during transit from rocks flying, etc, also prying eyes security issues, etc? have people experience much damage when using an open trailer? (2) for closed trailers, does anyone have any specific experience with the quality of Haulmark as a brand? other brands to consider. featherlite are nice and aluminum but very costly by comparison. (3) what is people's experience with big square box trailers for wind resistance vs those that have a v-nose or lower profile, does it make a big difference in pulling resistance, gas mileage, etc? (4) length - how much length is needed above and beyond the length of the car being towed if used for track use or generic use in people's experience? 3' of cargo space in front of the car for spare tires? more? (5) anyone use their trailer to store their tiger when not in use for extra protection? (6) any other advice or factors i should consider from those with experience? thanks! peter Peter Laurinaitis peter.laurinaitis.wg02 at wharton.upenn.edu You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From MWood24020 at aol.com Wed Jan 9 13:02:54 2008 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:02:54 EST Subject: [Tigers] need a trailer for my tiger - questions Message-ID: I would agree, an open trailer is much less hassle, in general. This is particularly true if you are looking at a "minimum" sized enclosed trailer, for the reasons cited. The problem with the smaller enclosed trailers is you just don't have the room to really take advantage of what an enclosed trailer can b ring to the party, like a workbench w/ tools, compressor, place to sit etc. You do still have the ability to get the car out of the elements, both while towing and while in storage, but at a weight, cost and mpg penalty...in most cases, I just don't see the pay off. If your car is not a concours participant, and you really want a trailer just to get a car to events and back, I would not hesitate to go with an open trailer. Behind my motor home or Suburban, I've never had any road damage on any of my race or autocross cars, it's a quick process to load/unload, they are very stable (tandem axle and proper tongue weight) and they're inexpensive (particularly since I'm lucky enough to be able to borrow one, currently!). The one thing I haven't worried about is the car on the trailer, since I've never towed the Tiger or other collector car of value...if someone messes with the car I race currently, it's just a matter of going to the insurance company or dealer to make right. Haulmark is a big manufacturer and I've never heard any real gripes or kudos thrown their way. Pace American is another mainstream manufacturer who seems to have a good reputation for enclosed. The Featherlites are really nice and their open trailers are great. The other manufacturer who makes a really slick open trailer is Sloane, with their "Kwik Load" roll back design. I've used one many times and love the convenience, particularly with a lowered car. Of course, in a perfect world, a 24' to 28' enclosed would be nice ;-) If you're not sure, I'd suggest just buying a used trailer locally (you can find them all the time in the SCCA publications, craigslist etc.) and trying it out. Good to excellent open trailers can be had in the $1200-2000 range and an enclosed trailer at the size you are looking at no more than $6000. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Wed Jan 9 13:41:19 2008 From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:41:19 EST Subject: [Tigers] Works Tigers 1964-1966 Message-ID: I got the book for Christmas. It is a very well written and detailed account of the Tigers as well as some background on other Rootes factory race cars. Unfortunately I do not have info on how to purchase it, as I gave that to my wife who lost it as soon as she ordered my copy. Total cost was $159.00 including shipping. Pricey, but well worth it in my opinion. Fred Baum 9470768 **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From crabco at shaw.ca Wed Jan 9 15:01:27 2008 From: crabco at shaw.ca (Tim Webster) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:01:27 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Works book Message-ID: <001001c8530b$2ed696a0$6500a8c0@BigBlack> Steve, Try Peter Shimmel at mercman at lineone.net or call him at 0044 (0) 1676533304 I believe the books left England on January 7th and were going to a US fellow who was then to send them on to their buyers in North America. No doubt Peter would be happy to sell you a copy direct but the shipping is steep. I will forward an email I have from him that explains the set up. I agree that given the limited number of cars and therefore enthusiasts that this will soon be a footnote in Tiger history. Regards, Tim From Drmoonstone at aol.com Wed Jan 9 15:16:28 2008 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:16:28 EST Subject: [Tigers] Lat 8 Valve Covers Message-ID: This same thing occurs with Traction Masters. Saw an "original pair" go for 4 times a new pair can be purchased. On the same subject I have two "original Koni shock" boxes for sale....opening bid 150.00 per box....remember these are pristine originals (shocks not included) LOL Moonstone ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From crabco at shaw.ca Wed Jan 9 15:17:45 2008 From: crabco at shaw.ca (Tim Webster) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:17:45 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Back up switch Message-ID: <000601c8530d$761b73d0$6500a8c0@BigBlack> Bob, Thanks for the lead. I called these guys on their international toll-free line and ended up with perhaps the worst parts guy I have ever encountered. I spent twenty minutes with him and got nowhere. I finally hung up and phoned back and hoping one of his colleagues would answer. I asked the second guy I got what their shipping policy to Canada was and was informed that they don't ship outside the US. I then pointed out that it was a little silly to have an international line if they only sell domestically. This was beyound his thought capability. Quite comic actually. What is it with parts guys? It's like some fraternity of rudeness mixed with utter incompetence. Worst thing you can ever do is mention "Sunbeam Tiger". They lose interest immediately and treat you like a lunatic. As far as the parts world is concerned it's a Mustang. I did track one switch down here and have it on order although at a higher price. Regards, Tim From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 15:26:53 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:26:53 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Lat 8 Valve Covers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What spins me out about the traction bars on ebay is that the ones they are selling are NEW not NOS. They have not been on a shelf for 40 years, I have tended to mail the sellers asking how long ago they purchased them. Ultimately buyer be ware -- Regards Michael King From musta32188 at msn.com Wed Jan 9 16:16:43 2008 From: musta32188 at msn.com (PHILLIP SILK) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:16:43 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Works Tigers 1964-1966 In-Reply-To: References: <39a841b0801090840h77553ae6wbcdfb8a8651f47fb@mail.gmail.com><788131.66435.qm@web31706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <39a841b0801090853x7a25e338u4b49347bde3ccaf4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Here's the link I used: http://www.motorbase.com/shop/profiles/by-id/16749/ It came to me quickly. I would give everyone the ISBN number, but I left the book at my in-law's house to ensure I get more grad school work done... Phillip _________________________________________________________________ Watch Cause Effect, a show about real people making a real difference. From drmayf at mayfco.com Wed Jan 9 16:50:45 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:50:45 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] [Fwd: Works Tigers 1964-67 by Graham Rood] Message-ID: <47855DD5.6070806@mayfco.com> I sent a note to the STOC in the UK this moringing and this is the reply I received about purchasing th ebook through them.. mayf -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Tigers] Works Tigers 1964-67 by Graham Rood Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:05:33 +0000 From: marden at mistral.co.uk Reply-To: marden at mistral.co.uk To: BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } To reply to the comments of Stephen Jones the Works Tigers book is a great read and I do have several in the STOC regalia stock. The recommended retail price is B#49.95 but the club sells it for a subsidised B#39.95. However there is a problem with overseas orders in that when packed for posting it weighs 3 kilos ( 6.5lbs). The cost of air mail to the USA is something like B#25 and this makes a total of B#75 (approx $150). I beleive Rick at S.S. is going to stock them or they can be ordered direct through www.mercianmanuals.co.uk [1] and pay by credit card. The site has a write up on the book and I beleive special postal rates. I,m sure an e-mail would get a response as to U.S. retailers. Happy New Year to all, Martin Pester TIGERMART ------------------------- Message sent via KC WebMail - http://webmail.mistral.net/ Links: ------ [1] http://www.mercianmanuals.co.uk You are subscribed as drmayf at mayfco.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From Drmoonstone at aol.com Wed Jan 9 16:58:31 2008 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:58:31 EST Subject: [Tigers] Lat 8 Valve Covers Message-ID: So true. Watch the bidding on the map lights also.....It's good for another laugh. Mooney ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From twotigers at verizon.net Wed Jan 9 17:09:52 2008 From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:09:52 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Book Message-ID: <002f01c8531d$1fbaec40$2f01a8c0@smith> I had emails out to STOC, Merican Manuals and Motorbase. Motorbase was the first to respond, so I ordered from them. $122 included shipping. Might have been able to shop around and find it a couple of bucks cheaper, but I didn't want to take a chance on missing out. I think you can count on one hand the number of books that have been written solely on the Tiger. Had to have it! Kirk B382000503 From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 17:23:43 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:23:43 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Lat 8 Valve Covers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are you reffering to the map light aboce the glovebox? The long sparto one with a switch? I believe they are comon to the 60's Jags MKII 420G etc, but not sure if they are reproed or plentiful/cheap from other sources.. you got a lead on those? On 10/01/2008, Drmoonstone at aol.com wrote: > So true. Watch the bidding on the map lights also.....It's good for another > laugh. > > Mooney > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 -- Regards Michael King From mtjoy at telis.org Wed Jan 9 18:28:55 2008 From: mtjoy at telis.org (Mountjoy) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:28:55 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Works Tigers 1964-1966 Message-ID: <00a901c85328$2afe1130$1db90c45@computer> All, As we speak Dave McDermott is finalizing a group shipment of Graham Roode's book (that means the shipping cost less than if a single book is ordered and shipped). The shipment will go out in a day or two. If you are interested contact Dave directly. Realize the book isn't cheap at ~#40 plus shipping to Dave in Denver plus his shipping to you. Below is a letter from the publisher to Dave, et.al. Email Dave pronto if you are serious about wanting one of these books at mcdermd at stripe.colorado.edu Please, no tire kickers for Dave. BTW Dave isn't buying on spec so there won't be extras. He's just another one of the good guys in our community. (Hope I'm not in trouble with Dave for this. Hey D. I owe you one) Just the messenger. Darrell >> >>Hello again Dave, and fellow TIGER enthusiasts. >> >>Being the publisher of the new Graham Roode Tiger book "THE WORKS TIGERS", >>and also a STOC member, I would like to make you aware of an ordering plan >>that has been wotked out. >> >>Due to the weight/cost/postal charges of getting this book to Tiger people >>in the US, a plan has been worked out to ship a quantity of books via an Air >>Shipper we regularly use ACTIVAIR(UK) based near Heathrow. >>The cost of the book #39.95 (ie)$79.99 US aprox, this coupled with the >>singular mailing charge Inc Insurance which would be some #26.50 (ie)$53.00 >>US makes the whole thing somewhat expensive. >>To help in reducing this Dave McDermot has agreed to take one or two large >>cartons (depending on how many books)and once arrived at his address, he >>would then mail them to whoever has ordered one. Doing it this way will >>lower the mailing charges a great deal. >>The total cost of one book, plus shipping in the large cartons will be >>approxomately $79.90 + $30.00 shipping which would make it $109.90 in total. >>This figure is at the moment is approxomate, it does depend on the quantity >>shipped. >>If there is any dramatic change I will make it known. >> >>Can anyone who is interested in this, please supply CC details along with >>address's and we will then build up a list for the order. If anybody is >>unhappy with putting their details on an e mail, just Fax or phone the >>information to us, details at the bottom of the page. >>Finally we will attempt to build up the order, and at last ship it very >>early in the new year (say mid January). >> >> >>If anyone has a query , please contact me, but please do not make it too >>complicated. >> >>Best regards >> >>Peter Shimmell >>Mercian Manuals Ltd >>353 Kenilworth Road >>Balsall Common >>Coventry >>CV7 7DL >>0044 (0) 1676 533304 Phone /Fax >>0044 (0) 7768 063010 Cell >>www.mercianmanuals.co.uk From macdonald49 at shaw.ca Thu Jan 10 00:48:23 2008 From: macdonald49 at shaw.ca (Peter MacDonald) Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:48:23 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] LAT 8 Valve Covers Message-ID: <5A408EFA-958C-4BC4-94D8-220B58709ADD@shaw.ca> For those of you who do not know the story about these this should set you straight. When Shelby sold out to Ford around '68, he sold off a lot of bits. The Tiger and Cobra valve cover patterns and oil pan patterns were bought by a fellow named Murray Cliff from Vancouver, BC who raced a Tiger and ran a part time business called MRC Motors. If you bought LAT 8's from Frey Racing in CA, they probably said MRC Motors inside instead of "Buddy Bar", because I sent them to Jim Frey. There were quite a few runs of valve covers done. The patterns included the Tiger, early Cobra(no filler/PCV holes), and late Cobra (same as Tiger). The oil pan patterns all used the same center section and different side plates for Tiger, Cobra("roadster"pans, like Tiger ones), and GT350 style "hammerhead" Cobra pans. There were only a few oil pans made as the foundry that made them had a lot of trouble working with the patterns. The "inner" sand mold weighed about 500 lbs, similar for the "outer" mold and the production was probably too time consuming for them. They did big stuff like flywheels for the BC coastal ferries, so they did have lots of experience. The valve cover patterns were much easier to use and they could crank out a lot in a day. Murray had some of the oil pans made up without the "Cobra" or "Tiger" logo, only the "Powered by Ford" part. If you run into one of these, it might have come from him. All these patterns are now in the capable hands of Rick at SS. How do I know all this? Well, I used to buy stuff from Murray and I still recall being at his house when he was tapping the drain plug holes on a run of pans. The guy who owned the foundry was a patient of my father's. I got to go and visit the foundry one day and had a long chat with him. Unfortunately, I still couldn't talk him into an LAT pan. I got to know one of the Shelby guys here, Mike Stidwill, who had a side business selling Shelby and Cobra stuff. He got a Tiger and got Murray to run some Tiger covers. I gave one of these sets to Ian Garrad one year at TU. The next runs went to Jim Frey in San Jose. Hope this clears up some of the mystery! Peter From chris at cthompson.net Thu Jan 10 07:51:25 2008 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:51:25 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Works Tigers 1964-1966 In-Reply-To: <00a901c85328$2afe1130$1db90c45@computer> References: <00a901c85328$2afe1130$1db90c45@computer> Message-ID: <478630ED.104@cthompson.net> Just got this from Dave: Unfortunately I think the bulk order left the UK yesterday. As a member of STOC (the English Tiger club) I had volunteered to assist them in handling the pre-orders from the USA that they had received up to that point. STOC had advertised the book in their publication Cats Whiskers and on their website for the last year and asked folks to contact them to pre-order the book. By handling the pre-orders through a bulk mailing process to the USA we were able to get the cost of the book down to around $100 including postage and insurance. Graham Vickery in STOC has contacted all the Tiger clubs in the USA like CAT, STOA, Tigers East etc. about each of them setting up a bulk order process for their respective members similar to the one we set up for the pre-orders. However, to my knowledge none of the clubs have yet advertised that process in their monthly publications. Of course anyone who wants the book sooner can always order it directly from the publisher "Peter Shimmell" . Because of the weight of the book individual orders to USA customers I think will cost around $50 for shipping which makes the total cost of the book around $130 or more including postage and insurance. At this point in time there is no USA commercial book distributor or Tiger parts vendor selling the book. If anything changes either the publisher or STOC will let us all know. In the mean time please do not contact me directly to order the book since the bulk pre-order shipment has already left England. If folks are patient I think each of the USA clubs will set up their ordering process. Thanks Dave McDermott Mountjoy wrote: > All, > > As we speak Dave McDermott is finalizing a group shipment of Graham Roode's > book (that means the shipping cost less than if a single book is ordered and > shipped). The shipment will go out in a day or two. If you are interested > contact Dave directly. Realize the book isn't cheap at ~#40 plus shipping to > Dave in Denver plus his shipping to you. Below is a letter from the publisher > to Dave, et.al. Email Dave pronto if you are serious about wanting one of > these books at mcdermd at stripe.colorado.edu Please, no tire kickers for Dave. > BTW Dave isn't buying on spec so there won't be extras. He's just another one > of the good guys in our community. > > (Hope I'm not in trouble with Dave for this. Hey D. I owe you one) > > Just the messenger. > > Darrell From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Thu Jan 10 15:27:01 2008 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:27:01 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] need a trailer for my tiger - questions In-Reply-To: <572658.10553.qm@web53604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <572658.10553.qm@web53604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c853d7$eb9629a0$74fcc04a@jerry> Peter, Some thoughts on trailers - I had a Wells Cargo brand made - enclosed and has two axles. Some people might not like the size I decided on, but I like mine very well. I pull it with a Ford 150 (5.4), and I hardly know it's there. The size is 16'L x 7'W x 6'H with a V nose, which gives me 19'in total length. The V nose is well worth it, both in more area inside and in wind resistance. I've pulled my car in bigger box trailers (24' or 26'), and you definitely know they are there. I think the trailer weighed more than the car! Ha. If it is important to you to have big tool boxes, compressors and the like, it might be best to get a big box. I take my Tiger to car shows and am able to carry all the paraphernalia in the trailer or the truck that I need. If it is a box trailer, you would need to ensure that there is a door on the driver's side to get in and out of the car. Also, the trailer door needs to be low enough so that your car door will clear when opening. This is also a consideration on an open trailer. This is what worked for me. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Peter Laurinaitis Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 12:42 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] need a trailer for my tiger - questions I am thinking of getting an enclosed trailer for my tiger, but want the flexibility to use it for other cars down the road, and perhaps hauling a track car around. Right now I am thinking of getting the Haulmark Thrifty Hauler car hauler 8.5' x 16' or 18', dual axles with total weight capacity of 10k lbs (incl trailer). Couple questions I have for those that may have some trailering experience: (1) would people recommend against an open trailer due to road damage during transit from rocks flying, etc, also prying eyes security issues, etc? have people experience much damage when using an open trailer? (2) for closed trailers, does anyone have any specific experience with the quality of Haulmark as a brand? other brands to consider. featherlite are nice and aluminum but very costly by comparison. (3) what is people's experience with big square box trailers for wind resistance vs those that have a v-nose or lower profile, does it make a big difference in pulling resistance, gas mileage, etc? (4) length - how much length is needed above and beyond the length of the car being towed if used for track use or generic use in people's experience? 3' of cargo space in front of the car for spare tires? more? (5) anyone use their trailer to store their tiger when not in use for extra protection? (6) any other advice or factors i should consider from those with experience? thanks! peter Peter Laurinaitis peter.laurinaitis.wg02 at wharton.upenn.edu You are subscribed as jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From sunbeamjohn at msn.com Thu Jan 10 16:47:09 2008 From: sunbeamjohn at msn.com (sunbeam john) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:47:09 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Battrey Box Lid Latch Message-ID: Does anyone have a battrey box lid latch they would like to sell or does anybody have a solution to latching the battrey box lid? Thank you, John sunbeamjohn at msn.com From mtjoy at telis.org Thu Jan 10 18:40:31 2008 From: mtjoy at telis.org (Mountjoy) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:40:31 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] birt rallying Message-ID: <009a01c853f2$f3b44d90$1db90c45@computer> Here's almost eight minutes of historic rallying, including a couple Tigers, a UK friend sent. Enjoy ! Darrell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCPH27ikMY8 From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Jan 10 19:05:26 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:05:26 EST Subject: [Tigers] birt rallying Message-ID: In a message dated 1/10/2008 8:40:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, mtjoy at telis.org writes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCPH27ikMY8 Darrel, Thanks a lot. Those are great shots. It always amazes me that more spectators aren't killed with the way they want to be right on top of the action;-) **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From Tigerman67 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 11 11:50:28 2008 From: Tigerman67 at hotmail.com (Tigerman) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:50:28 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Dynamat Message-ID: I remember a nice conversation on the board about using Dynamat for primarily for some thermal protection and also sound protection for both the floorboards and for places like the insides of the doors. But when I went to look at Dynamat they have 12 different product with some in multiple thicknesses. I believe they recommend 4 different products for heat control. And some of the ones recommended for heat control, they recommend putting down one of the other products first. So it has me a bit confused as to what products to use to primarily control heat. Also what is a reasonable thickness to put down? I assume if you use too thick of stuff the carpets won't lay back down right. Thanks, Steve From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Fri Jan 11 12:47:24 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:47:24 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Dynamat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4787C7CC.1020301@SoCal.rr.com> Steve, from Steve, I purchased Dynamat 12" squares from an Automotive Paint supplier some years ago. It came in 12" squares, peel-back paper over adhesive. It was not too thick, about 1/8 inch. I placed it on the passenger and drivers inner door skin, cut to fit interferences. Net result, MUCH quieter interior noise. Never felt the need for floor board sound deadening, so can't comment on floor tiles. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Tigerman wrote: > I remember a nice conversation on the board about using Dynamat for > primarily for some thermal protection and also sound protection for both the > floorboards and for places like the insides of the doors. > > But when I went to look at Dynamat they have 12 different product with some > in multiple thicknesses. I believe they recommend 4 different products for > heat control. And some of the ones recommended for heat control, they > recommend putting down one of the other products first. > > So it has me a bit confused as to what products to use to primarily control > heat. Also what is a reasonable thickness to put down? I assume if you use > too thick of stuff the carpets won't lay back down right. > > Thanks, > Steve From CoolVT at aol.com Fri Jan 11 12:56:46 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:56:46 EST Subject: [Tigers] Dynamat Message-ID: Steve and Steve, I just used sheet stuff from JC Whitney. Same thing....self adhesive...about 1/2" thick. I put all over the floors and as high up the firewall as I could. Didn't do any in the doors, but think I will this year. The heat difference was amazing. I went from very hot feet to just about feeling no heat. Heat just isn't an issue any longer. I do have a Mk 1A and so do have the vents. mark **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From CoolVT at aol.com Fri Jan 11 12:58:49 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:58:49 EST Subject: [Tigers] Dynamat Message-ID: Sorry, now I'm not sure if the Whitney stuff was self adhesive or not. It's been so many years. Possibly I had to spray with an adhesive. mark **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From twotigers at verizon.net Fri Jan 11 15:11:33 2008 From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:11:33 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Works Tigers book Message-ID: <000a01c8549e$ed9d15c0$2f01a8c0@smith> My order was confirmed on Jan. 5, received the book on Jan. 10! Now that's service! I ordered from Motorbase, but the return label on the package was from Merican. I'm beginning to think everybody involved with the book must know each other. Also, Motorbase takes Paypal- probably helped to speed things along. Kirk B382000503 From thorlp at hotmail.com Fri Jan 11 15:59:43 2008 From: thorlp at hotmail.com (stan gorski) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:59:43 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Dynamat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I used a product called Lizard Skin, it's a spray on ceramic coating used both for heat and noise. Bought it from Eastman on sale for around $150.00. Sprayed it on with an undercoating gun and compressor, the 2 gallon bucket was plenty. You can not feel the heat of a halogin light and the metal gives a soft thud when tapped. Unfortunatly I'm still some time out on the car running part, but I was impressed by this product. By the way the 2 gal bucket is light, a couple pounds verses dynamat which is very heavy. Stan _________________________________________________________________ Watch Cause Effect, a show about real people making a real difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause From MWood24020 at aol.com Fri Jan 11 16:36:01 2008 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:36:01 EST Subject: [Tigers] Dynamat Message-ID: In a message dated 1/11/2008 3:00:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, thorlp at hotmail.com writes: I used a product called Lizard Skin I also just shot the underside of my Tiger with the Lizard Skin product...and, also, haven't gotten the car on the road to see how it really works. But, it does spray on nicely, sets up well and looks great. If it works half as well as I've heard from others, I think it will prove to have been a good choice. Having said that, I still plan on using Dynamat on the inside firewall, floors and some other areas in the interior area. I also plan on spraying actual undercoating in the wheel wells, as the Lizard Skin isn't going to do enough for rocks etc. getting thrown up by the tires. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From thorlp at hotmail.com Fri Jan 11 17:51:04 2008 From: thorlp at hotmail.com (stan gorski) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:51:04 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Dynamat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On the underside I used a product bodyshutz or something like that, it is similar to a pickup truck bed liner. Supposed to be the stuff. Stan From: MWood24020 at aol.comDate: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:36:01 -0500Subject: Re: [Tigers] DynamatTo: thorlp at hotmail.com; tigerman67 at hotmail.com; tigers at autox.team.net In a message dated 1/11/2008 3:00:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, thorlp at hotmail.com writes: I used a product called Lizard Skin I also just shot the underside of my Tiger with the Lizard Skin product...and, also, haven't gotten the car on the road to see how it really works. But, it does spray on nicely, sets up well and looks great. If it works half as well as I've heard from others, I think it will prove to have been a good choice. Having said that, I still plan on using Dynamat on the inside firewall, floors and some other areas in the interior area. I also plan on spraying actual undercoating in the wheel wells, as the Lizard Skin isn't going to do enough for rocks etc. getting thrown up by the tires. Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. _________________________________________________________________ Watch Cause Effect, a show about real people making a real difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Fri Jan 11 20:51:31 2008 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:51:31 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Dynamat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I went the LizardSkin route. I recall a college buddy leaving his convertible top down (just an old Pontiac Firebird) and being too lazy to put the top up when it rained overnight. The next morning we opening the doors to let out 6-8 inches of rain...and dry the carpets out. It was like a bad commercial, I expected fish to flop out also. So I have been afraid of products that get glued in...they might trap moisture and lead to rust. My Tiger had some floorboard work due to sitting in a barn for a number of years with the old carpets (and other crap) in place sucking up the moisture. But maybe I am over reacting...but then again growing up with Michigan rust...it's tough knowing...rust never sleeps! Paul ---------------------------------------- > From: MWood24020 at aol.com > Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:36:01 -0500 > To: thorlp at hotmail.com; tigerman67 at hotmail.com; tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Dynamat > > In a message dated 1/11/2008 3:00:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > thorlp at hotmail.com writes: > > I used a product called Lizard Skin > > I also just shot the underside of my Tiger with the Lizard Skin > product...and, also, haven't gotten the car on the road to see how it really works. > > But, it does spray on nicely, sets up well and looks great. If it works half > as well as I've heard from others, I think it will prove to have been a good > choice. Having said that, I still plan on using Dynamat on the inside > firewall, floors and some other areas in the interior area. I also plan on spraying > actual undercoating in the wheel wells, as the Lizard Skin isn't going to do > enough for rocks etc. getting thrown up by the tires. _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista. + Windows Live. From harryb at elams.org Sat Jan 12 12:33:58 2008 From: harryb at elams.org (Harry Elam) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:33:58 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger insulation Message-ID: <47891626.7050606@elams.org> The RV and sailing communities build refrigerator space wherever they can find it. I consists of aluminum backed insulation plus a white plastic covering. I used the insulation only and it seems to work very well. Remember, the aluminum reflector goes towards the heat source - down - and you will get better results. Seems to me that Larry Paulick also used an unusual product for both heat and noise insulation that worked very well. It may be worth while to ask him as well. Harry Elam B382000471 From Sl51389 at aol.com Sat Jan 12 16:25:29 2008 From: Sl51389 at aol.com (Sl51389 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:25:29 EST Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: Hello, My name is SCott and I am new at this, My tiger is a 1965 #B9471705 and I have just resumed on my frame off restoration of this car, it has 45k miles and I have all the structural work done to the chassis and frame area and ready to paint the under carriage. I need help determining the original factory colors for the under carriage, My car had green #86 in the driveshaft tunnel and various areas , primer brown in some areas and undercoating in the wheel wells and other areas, any help would be great. Also I'm looking for an accurate diagram of the original brake line routing as well as fuel linerouting and fuel pump placement thanks! **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sat Jan 12 20:26:10 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:26:10 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <478984D2.3030901@SoCal.rr.com> Scott, Welcome aboard. You will find the Tiger Workshop Manual, Electrical wiring diagrams, and a ton of other Tiger information on: http://www.TigersUnited.com Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Sl51389 at aol.com wrote: > Hello, My name is SCott and I am new at this, My tiger is a 1965 #B9471705 > and I have just resumed on > my frame off restoration of this car, it has 45k miles and I have all the > structural work done to the chassis and frame area and ready to paint the under > carriage. I need help determining the original factory colors for the under > carriage, My car had green #86 in the driveshaft tunnel and various areas , > primer brown in some areas and undercoating in the wheel wells and other areas, > any help would be great. Also I'm looking for > an accurate diagram of the original brake line routing as well as fuel > linerouting and fuel pump placement > thanks! From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 04:46:13 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:46:13 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <478984D2.3030901@SoCal.rr.com> References: <478984D2.3030901@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: The alpines and tigers were painted body coulor underneath, this includes wheel wells etc, behind the chrome finisher on the grill thats ontop of the front valence they were black. On 13/01/2008, Steve Laifman wrote: > Scott, > > Welcome aboard. You will find the Tiger Workshop Manual, Electrical > wiring diagrams, and a ton of other Tiger information on: > > http://www.TigersUnited.com > > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > > > Sl51389 at aol.com wrote: > > Hello, My name is SCott and I am new at this, My tiger is a 1965 #B9471705 > > and I have just resumed on > > my frame off restoration of this car, it has 45k miles and I have all the > > structural work done to the chassis and frame area and ready to paint the under > > carriage. I need help determining the original factory colors for the under > > carriage, My car had green #86 in the driveshaft tunnel and various areas , > > primer brown in some areas and undercoating in the wheel wells and other areas, > > any help would be great. Also I'm looking for > > an accurate diagram of the original brake line routing as well as fuel > > linerouting and fuel pump placement > > thanks! > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as michael.s.king at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > -- Regards Michael King From Sl51389 at aol.com Sun Jan 13 08:43:55 2008 From: Sl51389 at aol.com (Sl51389 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:43:55 EST Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: Hello again , it is Scott with tiger#B9471705 , I in advertently deleted messages from my spam folder that were sent to me in reply to my questions , sorry , If you all would be so kind to re-send the E-mails , I promise to be more careful and and remove them from my spam folder before clearing the folder thanks. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Mon Jan 14 15:47:08 2008 From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:47:08 EST Subject: [Tigers] Tiger/Alpine comparison Message-ID: A friend has a Series V Alpine that has a very large gap between the top of the tires and the fender lip at the highest point on the tires. He would like to reduce this gap so the car sits the way it should. He was wondering if there is a difference in springs between a Tiger and an Alpine, and how do you tell which ones are which. Thanks to the list for any help. Fred Baum B9470768, sitting pretty **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 15:53:28 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:53:28 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger/Alpine comparison In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tigers us ea heavier spring to allow for the weight of the engine. All alpines sit quite high at the front as thats the way they were designed. The cheapest way to lower an Alpine is to order the S3 Alpine springs from VB. They are well priced, new and will lower the front of the car. Putting even stock Tiger springs in an alpine will stiffen it up quite a lot, and if they are factory height will probably not lower it. On 15/01/2008, FHSLOTH13 at aol.com wrote: > A friend has a Series V Alpine that has a very large gap between the top of > the tires and the fender lip at the highest point on the tires. He would like > to reduce this gap so the car sits the way it should. > > He was wondering if there is a difference in springs between a Tiger and an > Alpine, and how do you tell which ones are which. > > Thanks to the list for any help. > > Fred Baum > B9470768, sitting pretty > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as michael.s.king at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > -- Regards Michael King From sunbeamjohn at msn.com Tue Jan 15 17:11:06 2008 From: sunbeamjohn at msn.com (sunbeam john) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:11:06 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Turn Signal Switch Message-ID: Hello Everyone, Does anyone have a turn signal switch with handle, striker ring and slip ring that they would like to sell. Thanks, John cossman sunbeamjohn at msn.com 480 695-4570 From wsteinman at pogolaw.com Tue Jan 15 21:42:30 2008 From: wsteinman at pogolaw.com (Steinman, Bill) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:42:30 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Production Dates? References: Message-ID: <6C74404059EB134FBA542DA75DD8488F0150E78C@WDC-EXCH-VS01.US.PGFM.NET> Howdy all. I've got a quick question about production dates. In the absense of British Motor Heritage Trust certificates for our cars, how does one get a good estimate of a car's production date? Thanks! Bill S. B9470311 NOTICE: This communication may contain privileged or other confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and delete the copy you received. IRS CIRCULAR 230 Disclosure: Under U.S. Treasury regulations, we are required to inform you that any tax advice contained in this e-mail or any attachment hereto is not intended to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code. Thank you. From macdonald49 at shaw.ca Wed Jan 16 12:11:36 2008 From: macdonald49 at shaw.ca (Peter MacDonald) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:11:36 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] repro park/turn light housing Message-ID: I had to get a new front turn/park light housing as the original was destroyed in my accident. I got a #97 bulb for the parking lamp(with 2 side pins) but am having some difficulty getting it to seat properly. There are grooves in the casting, but not in the sleeve inside. Anyone have experience with this? (Note: These are different than the original small push in stock type bulbs). Peter From dickbarker at earthlink.net Wed Jan 16 12:21:19 2008 From: dickbarker at earthlink.net (Dick Barker) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:21:19 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger production dates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tue, 15 Jan 2008, Bill Steinman wrote: >In the absense of British Motor Heritage Trust certificates for our cars, how does one get a good estimate of a car's production date?< --------------------------------------------------- Bill, Try here: http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/forsale/vbd-cert-nu.htm From Rollright at aol.com Wed Jan 16 12:30:36 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:30:36 EST Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine rebuild Message-ID: Hello all, Engine compartment painted and looks GREAT! Just got the car back home. Now have to put all bits back that came out. Always more difficult rebuilding than taking apart. Then to the engine shop for the insertion. I can't wait to drive it with a fresh engine and clutch ! Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Jan 16 13:09:43 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:09:43 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] repro park/turn light housing References: Message-ID: <000801c8587b$bc5ea4c0$0202a8c0@allinthefamily> Peter, I searched for a #97 bulb image on Google, but found none. From your description I assume this is a bulb with opposing side pins that both index the bulb and with a slight twist cause the bulb to lock in place? Recently I had to replace a VERY standard, 1157 bulb. I could not get this new bulb to "lock in." After a closer look I found the glass part of the bulb where it attached to the metal base, though tapered was bulged wider than the original bulb I removed. Thus, this prevented the new bulb going deep enough into the socket. While this bulb might still fit the majority of sockets out there, on the car I was replacing it on, it did not. Anyway, you might want to see if that is the problem. Tom From scattt at verizon.net Wed Jan 16 20:03:29 2008 From: scattt at verizon.net (Scattt) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:03:29 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Crossmember bolts Message-ID: <006001c858b5$89af6fc0$6401a8c0@NicksDellPC> I am needing four of the 1/2 inch bolts that secure the crossmember to the chassis. A friend is also looking for a source for a Lat-79(?) hood. I would appreciate any help: Nick From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 20:15:53 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:15:53 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Crossmember bolts In-Reply-To: <006001c858b5$89af6fc0$6401a8c0@NicksDellPC> References: <006001c858b5$89af6fc0$6401a8c0@NicksDellPC> Message-ID: Not sure about the bolts, but you can get a hood from a fibreglass company in the US making LAT bonets: http://www.usbody.com/Pages_Cars/60-Sunbeam.htm i cant vouch for quality or fit On 17/01/2008, Scattt wrote: > I am needing four of the 1/2 inch bolts that secure the crossmember to the > chassis. A friend is also looking for a source for a Lat-79(?) hood. > I would appreciate any help: Nick > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as michael.s.king at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > -- Regards Michael King From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 02:24:53 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:24:53 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger display cards Message-ID: Fellow Tiger people... I was mucking around on the weekend and made these. If you want feel free to print them out for your car. They are display cards for parking at the shows. 1 is A4 the other A3, they are reasonably high res. Just has facts figures and pics about the tiger. A3: http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2398747670054462410ASPTIU A4: http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2480926830054462410DdfniG -- Regards Michael King From KJENSSEN at aol.com Thu Jan 17 03:08:19 2008 From: KJENSSEN at aol.com (KJENSSEN at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:08:19 EST Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger display cards Message-ID: In a message dated 1/17/2008 3:25:14 A.M. Central Standard Time, michael.s.king at gmail.com writes: http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2480926830054462410DdfniG MICHAEL, Outstanding work...the display cards look great. Kirt **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From Sl51389 at aol.com Thu Jan 17 04:49:01 2008 From: Sl51389 at aol.com (Sl51389 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:49:01 EST Subject: [Tigers] front leaf spring bushings Message-ID: My tiger has small bushings in the front and appear to be the same as the rear bushings. The parts and repair manuals show a bigger bushing in the front that also is eccentric, did they change the design of the front leaf spring during production or is this a set of alpine springs that were replaced at some point in time in my car. Scott O'Hara B9471705 **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From Carmods at aol.com Thu Jan 17 07:11:52 2008 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:11:52 EST Subject: [Tigers] front leaf spring bushings Message-ID: Hi Scott. The Tiger and Alpine rear springs have the same main spring leaf. The front eye of the spring is larger than the rear for the eccentric bushing. John Logan **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From CMcCann at lwpb.com Thu Jan 17 09:30:39 2008 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:30:39 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Reminder: Russo and Steel Message-ID: Friends, Reminder that the Russo and Steel Auction is this coming Saturday on ESPN2 and appears to start at 9:00 am in the morning. As discussed previously there will a Tiger up for auction ( and there is a light-hearted wager going for its high bid), but its a neat auction to check out all the great cars, nonetheless. My impression in the past has been that Russo and Steel will have more European cars on the block than other auctions, like Barrett Jackson. So even if this particular Tiger doesn't interest you, there will likely be lots of cool stuff. Regards, Cullen B382001452 From MWood24020 at aol.com Thu Jan 17 10:08:31 2008 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:08:31 EST Subject: [Tigers] Reminder: Russo and Steel Message-ID: In a message dated 1/17/2008 8:35:10 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, CMcCann at lwpb.com writes: As discussed previously there will a Tiger up for auction ( and there is a light-hearted wager going for its high bid), I need to change my guess, based on early results from Barrett Jackson...the market appears to have weakened. I wouldn't think that the normal buyers have been effected too greatly by the economic slowdown we are experiencing in the U.S., so my guess is that the dealers (who might buy at auction to "flip") are being sidelined by the inability to secure credit under favorable terms? Anyhow, I'm going to $55,000, no sale on the Tiger ;-) Mike Wood **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From sunbeamjohn at msn.com Thu Jan 17 10:17:55 2008 From: sunbeamjohn at msn.com (sunbeam john) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:17:55 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Reminder: Russo and Steel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The Russo and Steel Tiger will be auction off this Friday at 7:15 PM Mountain Time I will be there and I will email everyone the results but if you need to know ASAP you my call me on my cell phone which is 480 695-4570. John Cossman sunbeamjohn at msn.com > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:30:39 -0600> From: CMcCann at lwpb.com> To: tigers at autox.team.net> Subject: [Tigers] Reminder: Russo and Steel> > Friends,> > Reminder that the Russo and Steel Auction is this coming Saturday on> ESPN2 and appears to start at 9:00 am in the morning. As discussed> previously there will a Tiger up for auction ( and there is a> light-hearted wager going for its high bid), but its a neat auction to> check out all the great cars, nonetheless. My impression in the past has> been that Russo and Steel will have more European cars on the block than> other auctions, like Barrett Jackson. So even if this particular Tiger> doesn't interest you, there will likely be lots of cool stuff.> > Regards,> > Cullen> B382001452> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > You are subscribed as sunbeamjohn at msn.com> > Tigers at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers> > http://www.team.net/archive From bomber44 at comcast.net Thu Jan 17 11:59:58 2008 From: bomber44 at comcast.net (Rob Guerra) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:59:58 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] front leaf spring bushings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001a01c8593b$28850d50$737b410a@hypersonic8998> You may have a set of reproduction springs. For a while CAT and other manufacturers including myself built springs with the small eye up front. There were no large eye bushings to be found. In order to replace the bushings for the front you use the rear bushing but machine the bushing (metal) .210" to fit the front. I doubt you have a set of my spings because that particular production run was done in 2001 and those bushings shouldn't have worn out. Plus that was a limited production run and I can account for the location of my springs If you need more help let me know Rob --- Subject: [Tigers] front leaf spring bushings My tiger has small bushings in the front and appear to be the same as the rear bushings. The parts and repair manuals show a bigger bushing in the front that also is eccentric, did they change the design of the front leaf spring during production or is this a set of alpine springs that were replaced at some point in time in my car. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.6/1229 - Release Date: 1/17/2008 11:12 AM From bomber44 at comcast.net Thu Jan 17 11:59:45 2008 From: bomber44 at comcast.net (Rob Guerra) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:59:45 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] front leaf spring bushings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001901c8593b$27c19640$737b410a@hypersonic8998> You may have a set of reproduction springs. For a while CAT and other manufacturers including myself built springs with the small eye up front. There were no large eye bushings to be found. In order to replace the bushings for the front you use the rear bushing but machine the bushing (metal) .210" to fit the front. I doubt you have a set of my spings because that particular production run was done in 2001 and those bushings shouldn't have worn out. Plus that was a limited production run and I can account for the location of my springs If you need more help let me know Rob --- Subject: [Tigers] front leaf spring bushings My tiger has small bushings in the front and appear to be the same as the rear bushings. The parts and repair manuals show a bigger bushing in the front that also is eccentric, did they change the design of the front leaf spring during production or is this a set of alpine springs that were replaced at some point in time in my car. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.6/1229 - Release Date: 1/17/2008 11:12 AM From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 17 10:51:10 2008 From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:51:10 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] front leaf spring bushings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Scott, the earlier Alpine springs had smaller bushes ate the front, maybe they have been swapped out at some stage. The correct springs have a larger bush at the front around 2 inches in diameter and the bolt hole is offset towards the edge regards Jeff In message , Sl51389 at aol.com writes >My tiger has small bushings in the front and appear to be the same as the >rear bushings. The parts and >repair manuals show a bigger bushing in the front that also is eccentric, >did they change the design of the front leaf spring during production >or is this > a set of alpine springs that were replaced at some point in time >in my car. > > > > > Scott O'Hara > > B9471705 > > > >**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. >http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive > -- Jeff Howarth From un-cole-a at juno.com Thu Jan 17 14:36:45 2008 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:36:45 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay Message-ID: <20080117.163645.15301.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Has anybody been watching this on ebay?? Item 110212735530 Price is at $33K _____________________________________________________________ Click here to obtain free information on accredited degrees. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3l8Opvkvt560RFfolh9Kpon1geh rkzfZaHsu1ZSpBX2yysx0/ From CMcCann at lwpb.com Thu Jan 17 15:18:41 2008 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:18:41 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay In-Reply-To: <20080117.163645.15301.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080117.163645.15301.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Yeah, interesting. I like it when unrestored cars go for so much...makes me feel like I made a good investment. Somebody who knows the numbers better than me could speculate, but isn't the blue interior pretty rare? Maybe not, I just don't recall seeing that many cars with blue interior. I'm surprised its so rust free considering its from st louis. Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay Has anybody been watching this on ebay?? Item 110212735530 Price is at $33K From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Jan 17 15:23:11 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:23:11 EST Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay Message-ID: Is the $33.9 an actual bid or is that the starting bid from the seller? I mean if this thing really goes for $30,000 + what would a really nice original be worth? In the view of the trunk it appears that the paint is worn off in spots. I guess that's to be expected, but it appears to be worn off behind the battery. How would that ever happen? Maybe it's just the lighting that makes it appear that way. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From CMcCann at lwpb.com Thu Jan 17 15:23:03 2008 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:23:03 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The car has had 33 bids, starting bid was 15,000. Seller states it is an all original car. Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay Is the $33.9 an actual bid or is that the starting bid from the seller? I mean if this thing really goes for $30,000 + what would a really nice original be worth? In the view of the trunk it appears that the paint is worn off in spots. I guess that's to be expected, but it appears to be worn off behind the battery. How would that ever happen? Maybe it's just the lighting that makes it appear that way. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 You are subscribed as cmccann at lwpb.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From CMcCann at lwpb.com Thu Jan 17 15:24:35 2008 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:24:35 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Whoops I mean 24 bids...33,900.00 total. From PhastPhill at aol.com Thu Jan 17 15:37:42 2008 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:37:42 EST Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay Message-ID: I have been watching and it's nice to see. does look like an interesting car and colours. From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 15:41:49 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:41:49 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39a841b0801171441u5b6f0291v70df2a7b1a40f50f@mail.gmail.com> I think its lovely and I'd be interested in bidding if I was in the market. too many people are restoring and repainting tigers. Its a shame because most restorations don't go back to together as well as the original car On 1/17/08, Cullen McCann wrote: > Whoops I mean 24 bids...33,900.00 total. > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From CMcCann at lwpb.com Thu Jan 17 15:42:54 2008 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:42:54 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay In-Reply-To: <39a841b0801171441u5b6f0291v70df2a7b1a40f50f@mail.gmail.com> References: <39a841b0801171441u5b6f0291v70df2a7b1a40f50f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I have a copy of Hemmings motor news at the house and they have an article on restoring a car vs. leaving a well aged car original. I could see the argument both ways. If a given car has been really well taken care of, I could see leaving like you find it. Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay ......... too many people are restoring and repainting tigers. Its a shame because most restorations don't go back to together as well as the original car... From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Jan 17 16:01:11 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:01:11 EST Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay Message-ID: In a message dated 1/17/2008 5:47:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, CMcCann at lwpb.com writes: a given car has been really well taken care of, I could see leaving like you find it. Maybe it comes down to personal preferences. For example what would an owner prefer to have... grungy looking carpets that are original or replacements that look original but aren't? I did get a kick out of the seller's comment that it is difficult to find a Tiger with any original paint on it. Then he goes on to say that it original paint from the door back:-) I think he's really trying to build the car up with his descriptions, but also being careful not to tell any pure lies about the car. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Jan 17 16:01:20 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:01:20 EST Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay Message-ID: In a message dated 1/17/2008 5:47:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, CMcCann at lwpb.com writes: a given car has been really well taken care of, I could see leaving like you find it. Maybe it comes down to personal preferences. For example what would an owner prefer to have... grungy looking carpets that are original or replacements that look original but aren't? I did get a kick out of the seller's comment that it is difficult to find a Tiger with any original paint on it. Then he goes on to say that it original paint from the door back:-) I think he's really trying to build the car up with his descriptions, but also being careful not to tell any pure lies about the car. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From choffman9 at cinci.rr.com Thu Jan 17 16:11:58 2008 From: choffman9 at cinci.rr.com (Curt) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:11:58 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Crossmember bolts References: <006001c858b5$89af6fc0$6401a8c0@NicksDellPC> Message-ID: <008701c8595e$5c59dc50$0101a8c0@HomeComputer> I haven't bought any in a few years, but I had purchased a couple at a hardware store to use as spares for going in from the top side to pick up the body with a lift while dropping the engine from below. Can't recall any issue buying them. May just need to find a hardware store with a good fine thread bolt selection. Curt Hoffman Subject: [Tigers] Crossmember bolts >I am needing four of the 1/2 inch bolts that secure the crossmember to the > chassis. A friend is also looking for a source for a Lat-79(?) hood. > I would appreciate any help: Nick From MWood24020 at aol.com Thu Jan 17 16:13:24 2008 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:13:24 EST Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay Message-ID: I agree, the "value" of originality is very much in the eye of the beholder. As a matter of fact, we just had this conversation among a number of Tiger guys, when we were TAC'ing a car recently... Patina is wonderful and something can only be original once, but just plain beat and worn out is another story. In other words, there's a big difference between a "survivor" and just plain tired and spent. Where the line is between the two is debatable, but like pornography, I think you know it when you see it ;-) The car in the ebay auction appears to be right on the cusp...could go either way, depending on the new owner's perception and predisposition. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From wsteinman at pogolaw.com Thu Jan 17 16:20:45 2008 From: wsteinman at pogolaw.com (Steinman, Bill) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:20:45 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <6C74404059EB134FBA542DA75DD8488F016A88A5@WDC-EXCH-VS01.US.PGFM.NET> FWIW, having grown up with a father who is a professional restorer, my view is that a truly original car is a wonderful thing, and should have every single square inch of it documented, down to the nuts and bolts. And then restored. :o) Bill S. 2005 Lotus Elise 1968 Triumph TR-250 1968 MGC Tourer 1966 Austin Healey 3000 Mk III 1965 Sunbeam Tiger 1959 Austin Healey 3000 www.TR-250.com Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows... NOTICE: This communication may contain privileged or other confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and delete the copy you received. IRS CIRCULAR 230 Disclosure: Under U.S. Treasury regulations, we are required to inform you that any tax advice contained in this e-mail or any attachment hereto is not intended to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code. Thank you. From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Jan 17 16:33:57 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:33:57 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Crossmember bolts Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15760A08F@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> There are two things with the crossmember bolts, as I recall: 1. They're not UNF, they're British fine thread and the cut of the threads is slightly different, so that using UNF bolts will cause the fit to be a little too tight (or too loose... can't remember). Of course, re-threading the frame sleeves using a UNF tap is a one-way operation... 2. The length of the thread required on the bolts is longer than is provided on UNF standard bolts. Using a thread die to put more threads on the bolt is a Bad Idea because it causes a major stress riser right where the stress on the bolt is the highest. Threads must be rolled onto the fastener so that they're in effect forged into the bolt. Tom Hall has a tech tip on repairing the inevitable stress cracks in the frame, around the crossmember bolt sleeves. If your Tiger shows distortion around the bolt sleeves (visible from the top of the frame rail) then it's only a matter of time before the crossmember will get ripped out of the car... better reinforce it while you're in there. Theo From DJoh797014 at aol.com Thu Jan 17 16:41:23 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:41:23 EST Subject: [Tigers] Crossmember bolts Message-ID: Forget the crap sold in Hardware stores. You want quality grade 8 bolt. Your local CAT dealer has all the bolts and nuts you'll need for your car. Featuring grade 8 or better rolled threads and oil phosphate treated. Avaiable in a huge choice of lengths in any size. Made in the USA probably Peoria, IL. Dave Johnson In a message dated 1/16/2008 9:16:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, michael.s.king at gmail.com writes: Not sure about the bolts, but you can get a hood from a fibreglass company in the US making LAT bonets: http://www.usbody.com/Pages_Cars/60-Sunbeam.htm i cant vouch for quality or fit On 17/01/2008, Scattt wrote: > I am needing four of the 1/2 inch bolts that secure the crossmember to the > chassis. A friend is also looking for a source for a Lat-79(?) hood. > I would appreciate any help: Nick > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as michael.s.king at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > -- Regards Michael King You are subscribed as djoh797014 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From gswaybright at yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 16:50:29 2008 From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:50:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Crossmember bolts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <598521.69227.qm@web31712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm guessing Dave means CAT, as in Catapillar (tractors and bull dozers www.cat.com), not the Tiger club in Los Angeles, California. --- DJoh797014 at aol.com wrote: > Forget the crap sold in Hardware stores. You want quality grade 8 > bolt. > Your local CAT dealer has all the bolts and nuts you'll need for your > car. > Featuring grade 8 or better rolled threads and oil phosphate treated. > > Avaiable > in a huge choice of lengths in any size. Made in the USA probably > Peoria, > IL. > > Dave Johnson From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Jan 17 16:50:43 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:50:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Crossmember bolts Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15760A090@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Their fastener catalog in PDF form: http://www.cat.com/cda/files/87031/7/hardwre.pdf 1/2 inch UNF bolts are on page 11 of the PDF. The trick is to get the grip length right, while having the longest possible overall length. Theo -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of DJoh797014 at aol.com Sent: January 17, 2008 4:41 PM To: michael.s.king at gmail.com; scattt at verizon.net Cc: mikeflbmer at yahoo.com; Sjhcobra1 at cs.com; tigers at autox.team.net; pstanisavljevich at mindspring.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Crossmember bolts Forget the crap sold in Hardware stores. You want quality grade 8 bolt. Your local CAT dealer has all the bolts and nuts you'll need for your car. Featuring grade 8 or better rolled threads and oil phosphate treated. Avaiable in a huge choice of lengths in any size. Made in the USA probably Peoria, IL. Dave Johnson From shutchin at netjets.com Thu Jan 17 17:00:00 2008 From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:00:00 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Crossmember bolts Message-ID: I replaced mine when I did my clutch and motor. I recall that I was able to get grade 8 bolts that were identical to the ones that came out. Don't remember where though. Scott Hutchinson Assistant Director of Operations Netjets International Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 * ******** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 17 18:44:33 2008 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:44:33 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay What Price for Originality? Message-ID: <001a01c85973$ad46f980$6501a8c0@your03667082de> "a given car has been really well taken care of, I could see leaving like you find it." "Maybe it comes down to personal preferences. For example what would an owner prefer to have... grungy looking carpets that are original or replacements that look original but aren't? I did get a kick out of the seller's comment that it is difficult to find a Tiger with any original paint on it. Then he goes on to say that it original paint from the door back:-) I think he's really trying to build the car up with his descriptions, but also being careful not to tell any pure lies about the car. " A recent auction featured a unrestored 1911 Oldsmobile and it sold for 1.65 million dollars. From what I read the owner plans to keep it unrestored because there are so few original Oldsmobiles. Here is a link: http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cfm?CarID=r150&SaleCode=HF07 The new owner can't get far with those tires but included is a set of "priceless original tires". All the rage in collector car auctions is the "Survivor" car. A survivor car is untouched and unrestored. Usually the monthly collector car magazines feature a unrestored car and the writer makes a big deal about the original condition of the car. Most collector cars are restored way beyond "assembly line" condition so it is rare to find one unrestored. My preference is a car kept as original as possible or unrestored. MG Enthusiast magazine a couple of months ago had a interesting article about whether competition Mini's , MG and the like were truly original cars as advertised by the new owners. The article went on to say the various factories that rallied and raced cars in the 60's were known to swap vin and registration with new cars before the next event and even before letting magazines test them. Competition departments did this to cut down on paper work for the different events they entered. The author wrote that a car that finished a major rally such as the Acropolis was pretty well worn out and tired. When a magazine called to test drive the car, the competition department would swap vin and license plates to a new car and give it to the magazine to test. Later on, when the car ended on the market, it wasn't the car as advertised. The author went on to state that one well known Mini went through five bodies before sold off as a factory racer. It leaves you to wonder about some of the factory Tigers that competed in rally after rally back in the day. ADU311B ran five rallies and ADU 312bB the Monte Carlo winner did three according to Mike Taylor's book. They appear to be the same car with the same registration number in the different events but how could they survive all those tough rallies? Jeff From arado7 at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 17 20:00:48 2008 From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:00:48 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay What Price for Originality? References: <001a01c85973$ad46f980$6501a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: <006701c8597e$55252c30$6501a8c0@GMI> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay What Price for Originality? > "a given car has been really well taken > care of, I could see leaving like you find it." I have an original Tiger. I am second owner, acquired car in 1985. Removed and refreshed drive train, Paint work was dull so refinished in Spies Hecker lacquer.Kept color close to original. Replaced carpet, replaced seat foams and suspension. Reworked suspension with new bush and dampers. Replaced gaiters, cleaned and relubricated steering. Replaced soft top. Replaced seals on body, Reworked brakes and booster used Dot 5. Repaired exhaust pipe inlets. Replaced exhaust system with Tiger Tom's excellent parts. Repainted and sealed undercarriage and body. Used Loctite rust killer and Waxoyl to preserve. Kept car as original as I could including 2 barrel carburetor. I enjoy driving the car. It is a survivor. Thanks, Gary B9472283 From laurin212 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 20:36:49 2008 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:36:49 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay References: <20080117.163645.15301.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <008201c85983$5bf50030$6501a8c0@PETERHOME> i have an original color midnight blue (58) with original light blue interior also. link to pic: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/peter212/IMG_0003.jpg interestingly, my car is about 50 units off in terms of the vin # from this one. i love the color combo, i've only seen 2 others of that combo in the last 3 or 4 years pop up on ebay, counting this one on ebay right now. i likely will be putting this up for sale when i get around to it, or looking to trade it for a track-ready tiger. i have my hands full with a great light blue mk 1 i love as a driver, and doug is restoring a red mk 1a for me. peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cullen McCann" ...but isn't the blue interior pretty rare? Maybe not, I just don't recall seeing that many cars with blue interior.... From laurin212 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 20:43:27 2008 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:43:27 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Works Tigers 1964-1966 References: <00a901c85328$2afe1130$1db90c45@computer> <478630ED.104@cthompson.net> Message-ID: <00c201c85984$492efb30$6501a8c0@PETERHOME> fyi, mercian manuals got my "Works Tigers 1964-1966" book to me in ny from the uk in 6 days flat, incl the weekend days. expensive due to our crummy amazing shrinking dollar, but fast and a cool book. peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Thompson" To: "Mountjoy" Cc: "dave / judy mcdermott" ; "tiger list" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Works Tigers 1964-1966 > Just got this from Dave: > > Unfortunately I think the bulk order left the UK yesterday. As a member > of STOC (the English Tiger club) I had volunteered to assist them in > handling the pre-orders from the USA that they had received up to that > point. STOC had advertised the book in their publication Cats Whiskers > and on their website for the last year and asked folks to contact them > to pre-order the book. > By handling the pre-orders through a bulk mailing process to the > USA we were able to get the cost of the book down to around $100 > including postage and insurance. Graham Vickery in STOC has contacted > all the Tiger clubs in the USA like CAT, STOA, Tigers East etc. about > each of them setting up a bulk order process for their respective > members similar to the one we set up for the pre-orders. However, to my > knowledge none of the clubs have yet advertised that process in their > monthly publications. Of course anyone who wants the book sooner can > always order it directly from the publisher "Peter Shimmell" > . Because of the weight of the book individual > orders to USA customers I think will cost around $50 for shipping which > makes the total cost of the book around $130 or more including postage > and insurance. > At this point in time there is no USA commercial book > distributor or Tiger parts vendor selling the book. If anything changes > either the publisher or STOC will let us all know. In the mean time > please do not contact me directly to order the book since the bulk > pre-order shipment has already left England. If folks are patient I > think each of the USA clubs will set up their ordering process. Thanks > > Dave McDermott From DJoh797014 at aol.com Thu Jan 17 20:49:38 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:49:38 EST Subject: [Tigers] Cross member bolts Message-ID: Sorry I showing my Midwestern origins. CAT means Cateripllar not the club in CA. Darrell Bruin gave a nice seminar on bolts and nuts with warnings about foreign products not meeting statndards. His talk made you worry about flying in commercial aircraft equipped with replacement bolts and nuts. He did say CAT made bolts good enough for our use. I understand Deere as in John Deere also sells bolts but I they don't make them. CAT makes all their bolts and nuts. I once made complete bolt replacement kits with CAT bolts and took them to a TE/AE United. Price was about $25. Not one taker. I return the bolts. Oh well Dave **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From chris at cthompson.net Thu Jan 17 20:51:40 2008 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 23:51:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Works Tigers 1964-1966 In-Reply-To: <00c201c85984$492efb30$6501a8c0@PETERHOME> References: <00a901c85328$2afe1130$1db90c45@computer> <478630ED.104@cthompson.net> <00c201c85984$492efb30$6501a8c0@PETERHOME> Message-ID: <4790224C.8090900@cthompson.net> Yep, just got word that mine arrived today. I'm out of the country and my neighbor signed for it. Also just got word that DHL tried to deliver a package that required my signature, and returned it to sender because I'm not there. If you direct order the book, understand you need to be around to sign for it and understand the potential consequences if you aren't! Chris Peter Laurinaitis wrote: > fyi, mercian manuals got my "Works Tigers 1964-1966" book to me in ny from > the uk in 6 days flat, incl the weekend days. expensive due to our crummy > amazing shrinking dollar, but fast and a cool book. > > peter > > - From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 22:52:27 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:52:27 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Tiger info page Message-ID: Hello everyone, It was pointed out to me there were a few small errors in the info pages i posted. I have ammended these, they have been re-uploaded. Please find the new links attached: A4: http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2113355360054462410DzKnVh A3: http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2795672710054462410UiWbMX For those who had issues downloading, click on the little zoom icon and then right click save as.. or if you have a webshots i think you can just download the image. -- Regards Michael King From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Fri Jan 18 07:42:55 2008 From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:42:55 EST Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay Message-ID: According to a list of Tiger colors that was posted a few weeks ago, #58, Midnight Blue, was used on 424 cars. From the photos this looks to be the color. It is also the color of my Tiger #9470768. My interior was blue, the same as the auction car, but after 26 years I decided to change to black. I don't know how many would have had a blue interior. Fred Baum **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Fri Jan 18 07:52:07 2008 From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:52:07 EST Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay What Price for Originality? Message-ID: All our cars are survivors, considering how they were built and the materials used then compared to what is available now. The fact they are still on the road is testament to the enthusiasm and dedication of the owners. Whether they are restored, rebuilt, personalized, resto-mod or original, they are still survivors. Fred Baum Proud owner of a semi-restored, semi-personalizedsemi-original Tiger MKI **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From mark.rense at ge.com Fri Jan 18 08:10:16 2008 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:10:16 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay What Price for Originality? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I ran across a Healy 100-4 several years ago that showed considerable patina, including faded paint, a rusted bonnet and worn-through seats. I then found out that the car had actually been fully restored to a 98-point level, sold to a new owner, and then that new owner paid dearly to make it look unrestored! The owner evidently felt that the "more-original" car would bring home more trophies in the new/old condition, as well as bring a higher resale dollar. Bugz From shutchin at netjets.com Fri Jan 18 08:12:47 2008 From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:12:47 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay What Price for Originality? Message-ID: Hmm.... Fraud is fun I guess... ;) Scott Hutchinson Assistant Director of Operations Netjets International Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 * ******** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Fri Jan 18 12:49:40 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:49:40 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay In-Reply-To: <20080117.163645.15301.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080117.163645.15301.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <479102D4.9080303@SoCal.rr.com> Looking over the many photos I noticed something all car buyers should examine. The odometer mileage numbers are NOT even. This could indicate a repaired speedo, OR on that has the mileage reset. This is illegal in California, but does stop unprincipled owners or used car dealers from trying to reduce the traveled miles. B.B.W. (Buyer Be Ware) Reference: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1965-Sunbeam-Tiger-MK1_W0QQitemZ110212735530QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item110212735530#ebayphotohosting (If some of this address is not included as an underscored hot link, then copy/paste the entire entry into your browser.) Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com From sunbeamjohn at msn.com Fri Jan 18 22:41:55 2008 From: sunbeamjohn at msn.com (sunbeam john) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:41:55 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Russo and Steele Tiger Message-ID: Just got back from the Russo and Steele Auction and the Tiger sold for $105,000. I spoke to the owner who said he was hoping for $100,000 to $125,000. The reserve was set at $70,000 and it pass the reserve within 30 seconds. After it hit $80,000 it came down to two bidders who kept the bidding going until it hit the the $105K. I was standing next to the bidding who gave up at $103K, he was a young man at about 35 to 38 years old. I look the car over from top to bottom and it was a beautiful restoration or modify restoration but the workmanship was perfect could not find any fault with the car. I had my restoration guy look at the car and he love it as well but does not believe the owner had $250k into the car but said more like $150K. The owner said it took 5 years to complete the restoration. John sunbeamjohn at msn.com From srwick at hotmail.com Sat Jan 19 06:54:01 2008 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 05:54:01 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I wonder if they painted the cars in batches. My car is #780 and it's (supposed to be) Midnight Blue also. Steve (in Idaho) >From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com >To: PhastPhill at aol.com, CMcCann at lwpb.com, tigers at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay >Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:42:55 EST > >According to a list of Tiger colors that was posted a few weeks ago, #58, >Midnight Blue, was used on 424 cars. From the photos this looks to be the >color. > It is also the color of my Tiger #9470768. My interior was blue, the same >as >the auction car, but after 26 years I decided to change to black. I don't >know how many would have had a blue interior. > >Fred Baum From CoolVT at aol.com Sat Jan 19 07:04:03 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:04:03 EST Subject: [Tigers] Russo and Steele Tiger Message-ID: In a message dated 1/19/2008 12:42:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, sunbeamjohn at msn.com writes: Just got back from the Russo and Steele Auction and the Tiger sold for $105,000. Wow, that's getting into Barrett Jackson prices. I think it's the first "normal" Tiger that I remember going for $100+. A big Healy went for over 100 on Barrett Jackson this week and I wondered why Healys seemed to get much more respect than Tigers. Now it seems that it's possible for a Tiger to bring big numbers. Even as Tiger owner I must say that I think the Healy has some of the nicer design lines that I've ever seen. M **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From wseay at embarqmail.com Sat Jan 19 07:39:22 2008 From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:39:22 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Works Tigers 1964-1966 References: <00a901c85328$2afe1130$1db90c45@computer><478630ED.104@cthompson.net> <00c201c85984$492efb30$6501a8c0@PETERHOME> Message-ID: <000b01c85aa9$150f3470$0201a8c0@xpseay> Peter, Just out of curiosity: I note that the price that Merican quotes for the book on their web site includes VAT. Do they deduct VAT for US sales? I sent them an email asking them about the VAT and, so far, haven't received a reply. Will Seay - B382001570 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Laurinaitis" To: "tiger list" Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Works Tigers 1964-1966 fyi, mercian manuals got my "Works Tigers 1964-1966" book to me in ny from the uk in 6 days flat, incl the weekend days. expensive due to our crummy amazing shrinking dollar, but fast and a cool book. peter From drjev at dccnet.com Sat Jan 19 07:50:05 2008 From: drjev at dccnet.com (drjev) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 06:50:05 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Subject: [Tigers] Midnight blue paint References: Message-ID: <47920E1D.000005.03460@DIANE-72F68793C> Hello all --#748 is also Midnight Blue John----- [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of imstp_pets_cat1_en.gif] From musta32188 at msn.com Sat Jan 19 08:01:31 2008 From: musta32188 at msn.com (PHILLIP SILK) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:01:31 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah, my car isn't too far off from yours and it's also # 58 blue/blue. Phillip > > I wonder if they painted the cars in batches. My car is #780 and it's > (supposed to be) Midnight Blue also. > > Steve (in Idaho) > http://www.team.net/archive _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! From laurin212 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 19 08:22:59 2008 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:22:59 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Works Tigers 1964-1966 References: <00a901c85328$2afe1130$1db90c45@computer><478630ED.104@cthompson.net> <00c201c85984$492efb30$6501a8c0@PETERHOME> <000b01c85aa9$150f3470$0201a8c0@xpseay> Message-ID: <002e01c85aaf$2cf85cf0$6501a8c0@PETERHOME> my invoice was 49.95 pounds for the book and 26.50 pounds for shipping, noted specifically on the invoice that these exclude 17.5% VAT. they told me they wouldnt charge me VAT, which it seems they didnt. i dont see on the website where it say the price includes VAT (although in europe i believe prices are in fact are generally quoted including VAT if i recall correctly). peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Will Seay" To: "Peter Laurinaitis" ; "tiger list" Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Works Tigers 1964-1966 > Peter, > Just out of curiosity: I note that the price that Merican quotes for the > book on their web site includes VAT. Do they deduct VAT for US sales? I > sent them an email asking them about the VAT and, so far, haven't received > a > reply. > > Will Seay - B382001570 From Rollright at aol.com Sat Jan 19 08:42:54 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:42:54 EST Subject: [Tigers] engine/transmission mounts Message-ID: Hello, Engine going in about ten days, Tried to go to SS/Rick's website but it seems down. Should I replace all motor mounts (been replaced in past). How many are there and roughly what do they cost? Also, how many transmission mounts are we talking about and how much? Don't want to bother if it is unlikely they need it, but you folks that use you cars frequently, are in a better position to comment than us summer-only people in the cold north. Anything else anybody can think of that are sort of drive train consumables? (clutch replaced a week before engine went south). As always, Best regards, Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From drmayf at mayfco.com Sat Jan 19 08:43:31 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 07:43:31 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47921AA3.7010402@mayfco.com> Mine is #1136 and yup, it was Midnight Blue exterior with a light blue interior. No longer those colors though... mayf PHILLIP SILK wrote: >Yeah, my car isn't too far off from yours and it's also # 58 blue/blue. > >Phillip > > > >>I wonder if they painted the cars in batches. My car is #780 and it's >>(supposed to be) Midnight Blue also. >> >>Steve (in Idaho) >>http://www.team.net/archive >> >> >_________________________________________________________________ >Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as drmayf at mayfco.com > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive From PhastPhill at aol.com Sat Jan 19 08:46:33 2008 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:46:33 EST Subject: [Tigers] engine/transmission mounts Message-ID: Redo the shift linkage with a kit from Toploader Heaven.....cost about 100 bucks and makes shifting like new. Do all the mounts again to I think. Check the ujoints they are cheap and balance the driveshaft. From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 10:49:03 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:49:03 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Works Tigers 1964-1966 In-Reply-To: <000b01c85aa9$150f3470$0201a8c0@xpseay> References: <00a901c85328$2afe1130$1db90c45@computer> <478630ED.104@cthompson.net> <00c201c85984$492efb30$6501a8c0@PETERHOME> <000b01c85aa9$150f3470$0201a8c0@xpseay> Message-ID: <39a841b0801190949g67159946h2c8b6eec21fadfef@mail.gmail.com> Its only 39.99 if your a member of STOC uk. This includes VAT which it has to unless you personally bring it over. On 1/19/08, Will Seay wrote: > Peter, > Just out of curiosity: I note that the price that Merican quotes for the > book on their web site includes VAT. Do they deduct VAT for US sales? I > sent them an email asking them about the VAT and, so far, haven't received a > reply. > > Will Seay - B382001570 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Laurinaitis" > To: "tiger list" > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Works Tigers 1964-1966 > > > fyi, mercian manuals got my "Works Tigers 1964-1966" book to me in ny from > the uk in 6 days flat, incl the weekend days. expensive due to our crummy > amazing shrinking dollar, but fast and a cool book. > > peter > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 10:50:25 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:50:25 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay In-Reply-To: <47921AA3.7010402@mayfco.com> References: <47921AA3.7010402@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0801190950j286ca69dk6ccff35df8726b6c@mail.gmail.com> 1165 and its white On 1/19/08, drmayf wrote: > Mine is #1136 and yup, it was Midnight Blue exterior with a light blue > interior. No longer those colors though... > > mayf > PHILLIP SILK wrote: > > >Yeah, my car isn't too far off from yours and it's also # 58 blue/blue. > > > >Phillip > > > > > > > >>I wonder if they painted the cars in batches. My car is #780 and it's > >>(supposed to be) Midnight Blue also. > >> > >>Steve (in Idaho) > >>http://www.team.net/archive > >> > >> > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! > >_______________________________________________ > >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > >You are subscribed as drmayf at mayfco.com > > > >Tigers at autox.team.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > >http://www.team.net/archive > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From DJoh797014 at aol.com Sat Jan 19 11:22:06 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:22:06 EST Subject: [Tigers] engine/transmission mounts Message-ID: Your clutch job MUST include replacing the throw out bearing and pilot bearing. Remember to reattach the grounding dtrap from the engine to the frame on the drivers (left) side. In a message dated 1/19/2008 9:46:37 A.M. Central Standard Time, PhastPhill at aol.com writes: Redo the shift linkage with a kit from Toploader Heaven.....cost about 100 bucks and makes shifting like new. Do all the mounts again to I think. Check the ujoints they are cheap and balance the driveshaft. You are subscribed as djoh797014 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From DJoh797014 at aol.com Sat Jan 19 11:24:04 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 13:24:04 EST Subject: [Tigers] engine/transmission mounts Message-ID: One more thought. Check or replace the metal fuel. Replace the rubber fuel line that connects from the metal line to the engine In a message dated 1/19/2008 9:46:37 A.M. Central Standard Time, PhastPhill at aol.com writes: Redo the shift linkage with a kit from Toploader Heaven.....cost about 100 bucks and makes shifting like new. Do all the mounts again to I think. Check the ujoints they are cheap and balance the driveshaft. You are subscribed as djoh797014 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From sunbeamjohn at msn.com Sat Jan 19 11:37:58 2008 From: sunbeamjohn at msn.com (sunbeam john) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 11:37:58 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Russo and Steele Tiger Message-ID: Attached are a few pictures of the Russo and Steel Tiger right before it was auction off. Sorry for the picture quality I only had a short amount of time and it was at night. I would of like to get more but I got back to the auction right before it went into the staging lane and after it was auction off it was moved to a un-known location. John Cossmansunbeamjohn at msn.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/pjpeg] From gswaybright at yahoo.com Sat Jan 19 13:39:50 2008 From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 12:39:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Russo and Steele Tiger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <996918.78006.qm@web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If anyone finds out who bought the Scott Lampert Tiger from the auction, please let me know. I'm trying to keep track of the various Tigers that Dale A. did their complete restoration (particularly the modified cars like mine and Vanderpoole's). Also, who's the current owner of Ken Mattice's former Tiger? That's the car that most inspired what I did with my car, so I'd kind of like to keep tabs on it as well. No,I'm not looking to buy another Tiger, especially at today's prices, though $105k would probably open up a space in my garage. Stephen Waybright From Drmoonstone at aol.com Sat Jan 19 17:36:15 2008 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:36:15 EST Subject: [Tigers] Tiger on Ebay Message-ID: 1382 Moonstone ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From wseay at embarqmail.com Sat Jan 19 18:21:41 2008 From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:21:41 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Pertronix and Solid-Conductor Ignition Wires References: Message-ID: <000d01c85b02$d0096d00$0201a8c0@xpseay> I'm planning to run Pertronix ignition in my MK1A. Pertronix installation information tells you not to use their module with solid-conductor ignition wires. I can understand why Pertronix would have a problem with solid wires and conventional plugs, but I would suspect that if you were to run solid wires and resistor plugs that the pertronix module couldn't tell the difference. I would like to run solid wires and resistor plugs. Does anyone know if this is a safe combination for Pertronix of if it's still a no-no. ___________________ Will Seay B382001570 From tsmit at shaw.ca Sat Jan 19 19:33:37 2008 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:33:37 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Pertronix and Solid-Conductor Ignition Wires In-Reply-To: <000d01c85b02$d0096d00$0201a8c0@xpseay> References: <000d01c85b02$d0096d00$0201a8c0@xpseay> Message-ID: <4792B301.1030306@shaw.ca> What is your justification for running solid core wires? There are so many good EMI suppression wires around these days that offer the DC resistance of solid wires with the noise suppression of carbon-core wires, that there is no reason at all to run solid wires, unless you're maybe running a top-fuel motor. Magnecor, Moroso, MSD, and NGK all have excellent plug wires that will work perfectly with your Pertronix, and give zero performance loss relative to the solid wires, while still keeping noise out of the Pertronix and the rest of your onboard electronics (if you have any). Theo From laurin212 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 19 21:14:34 2008 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:14:34 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Russo and Steele Tiger References: Message-ID: <000601c85b1a$f6f0c270$6501a8c0@PETERHOME> did anyone record the auction and have a way to post a vid to youtube or email a vid to me of the tiger auction part of the show? i set my dvr to record the show, the guide said it was the correct show, and to my horror, TENNIS was played and recorded at that time, ugh! first time i have had a problem with my dvr. peter From laurin212 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 19 21:23:56 2008 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:23:56 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Russo and Steele Tiger References: Message-ID: <000d01c85b1c$458bc960$6501a8c0@PETERHOME> this must be the tiger i presume, on the r&s website http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1965_sunbeam_tiger_shelby_convertible/7401.html this one has been on the auto trader for quite some time trying to sell ----- Original Message ----- From: "sunbeam john" To: Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 12:41 AM Subject: [Tigers] Russo and Steele Tiger > Just got back from the Russo and Steele Auction and the Tiger sold for > $105,000. I spoke to the owner who said he was hoping for $100,000 to > $125,000. The reserve was set at $70,000 and it pass the reserve within 30 > seconds. After it hit $80,000 it came down to two bidders who kept the > bidding > going until it hit the the $105K. I was standing next to the bidding who > gave > up at $103K, he was a young man at about 35 to 38 years old. > > I look the car over from top to bottom and it was a beautiful restoration > or > modify restoration but the workmanship was perfect could not find any > fault > with the car. I had my restoration guy look at the car and he love it as > well > but does not believe the owner had $250k into the car but said more like > $150K. The owner said it took 5 years to complete the restoration. From CoolVT at aol.com Sat Jan 19 21:31:06 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 23:31:06 EST Subject: [Tigers] Russo and Steele Tiger Message-ID: http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1965_sunbeam_tiger_shelby_converti ble/7401.html We seen a few pictures of Tigers like this with the firewalls chopped out to allow for engine/carb. What does one do to get back the strength that has to be lost when this is done? **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From Tigerman67 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 19 22:12:59 2008 From: Tigerman67 at hotmail.com (Tiger Man) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:12:59 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Fw: FW: Russo and Steele price pool Message-ID: So how close did I come on the Russo and Steele price pool? Steve H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tigerman" To: Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] FW: Russo and Steele price pool > I've poked around at little at auction results before, and they never seem > to make a whole lot of sense. I have seen several vehicles that are about > the same, and one of them will sell for alot more money than the rest... > I never saw the cars in person, but based on the descriptions they seemed > about the same. I don't know if at some point that early in the day that > people think well if I don't win this one, there is another one coming up > in a couple hours... then the last car of that type rolls up on the > auction block and all the previous loosing bidders decide they HAVE to > have the car they spent all the time and money to come down and buy. > > I would really like to go to an auction and see if I can figure out what > the mentality is that drives the prices so high sometimes, and others are > bargains (that may not meet reserve). > > So my guess is based on two bidders going back and forth, till one of them > breaks out to $100k and the other says, its not a 6 figure car to me. > > The whole problem in my guess is that the tiger is still sort of a niche > car, and that alot of people that would be interested in the marquee are > on this forum, and no one is sounding like they think that is a bargain. > If the seller had been able to keep his 101 references to Shelby in the > description, maybe he would have better luck, but I think with a more > realistic representation of the car, that I think that people that have > the kind of money to spend more than $100k on a car would probably choose > to up the ante and just go buy a GT350 or GT500. So I guess that I agree > with everyone else here, what ever it gets bid up to, it probably won't > meet reserve. > > Steve > >> 1. Bill Lau MrLau at Charter.net -- $80,000 >> 2. Cullen McCann cmccann at lwpb.com -- $65,000 >> 3. Jeff Nichols jxnichols at sbcglobal.net -- $55,000 >> 4. Mike Wood _mwood24020 at aol.com -- $92,000 >> 5. Stephen Waybright - Not Sold @ $79,000 >> 6. Sandy Ganz $61,000 >> 7. Steve H $100,000 From Carmods at aol.com Sun Jan 20 07:40:28 2008 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:40:28 EST Subject: [Tigers] engine/transmission mounts Message-ID: Jim, There are two engine mounts, left and right and one transmission mount. If the only new mounts you can buy are made in Taiwan, Korea or some such place, use your old ones unless the rubber is separated from the steel. John Logan **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 07:46:32 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:46:32 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] engine/transmission mounts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39a841b0801200646u7f90dfc0vb0ef79d1c2509ab7@mail.gmail.com> What have you got against taiwan and korea? On 1/20/08, Carmods at aol.com wrote: > Jim, > > There are two engine mounts, left and right and one transmission mount. If > the only new mounts you can buy are made in Taiwan, Korea or some such > place, > use your old ones unless the rubber is separated from the steel. > > John Logan > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From CoolVT at aol.com Sun Jan 20 07:50:44 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:50:44 EST Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: Can listers tell me what the difficulties are in switching from a 5 bolt engine to a 6 bolt 302? I thought I remembered something about the timing marks being in a location that are hidden by a radiator hose and that the bracket for the for the clutch won't mount to a 6 bolt housing requiring a new bracket. Are these two correct and what are the other issues? I'm thankful in advance for any information you can share. Mark **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From Carmods at aol.com Sun Jan 20 08:08:03 2008 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:08:03 EST Subject: [Tigers] engine/transmission mounts Message-ID: In a message dated 1/20/2008 9:46:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, owain.lloyd at gmail.com writes: What have you got against taiwan and korea? Owain, My comments apply only to the engine mounts from them, not the countries. The ones I tried to use had the mounting holes located in the wrong place so the engine ended up on an angle in the plan view. It appeared they tried to make a left and right out of the same steel backing plate. Also there was about 30% less rubber in the mount. This was about four years ago so maybe they have improved the mounts since then. Just check them out against the original ones before you try to install them. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From mrlau at charter.net Sun Jan 20 08:51:21 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:51:21 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Auction wager Message-ID: <20080120155048.MFDN14098.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> Well Steve H, from now on you are the one we will go to for an auction estimate. You only missed by about = percent. In an auction like this, as many of you have written, you never know Bill -- 1. Bill Lau MrLau at Charter.net -- $80,000 >> 2. Cullen McCann cmccann at lwpb.com -- $65,000 >> 3. Jeff Nichols jxnichols at sbcglobal.net -- $55,000 >> 4. Mike Wood _mwood24020 at aol.com -- $92,000 >> 5. Stephen Waybright - Not Sold @ $79,000 >> 6. Sandy Ganz $61,000 >> 7. Steve H $100,000 From tsmit at shaw.ca Sun Jan 20 09:31:22 2008 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:31:22 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4793775A.4050603@shaw.ca> Hi Mark, It depends mostly on what else you change. When I put my 5.0 in I kept the 260 front timing cover and found a new water pump that fit the cover. I used a Professional Products 50 oz-in damper, which has the correct length and bolt pattern to fit the original pulley. It also has 3 sets of timing marks that cover all the different timing mark locations used in different generations of the small block. On the other end of the engine you need to find a bellhousing that fits the 6-bolt block on the front, and your transmission on the back. If the trans is an original narrow bolt pattern toploader then the most straightforward route is to find a 6-bolt bellhousing that has the wide toploader pattern as well as the input bearing retainer for the later toploader. The bellhousing needs to be drilled and have blocks welded into it to accept the narrow bolt pattern transmission bolts. Other alternatives are to get an aftermarket scattershield or bellhousing that accepts the narrow bolt pattern, or to swap to the later style toploader case. If you go to the T5 transmission there are other issues that need to be solved one way or the other. None of it is especially difficult but there are actually enough different ways to do it, that the hardest part may be deciding which way to go. Theo From wseay at embarqmail.com Sun Jan 20 09:27:58 2008 From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:27:58 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Pertronix and Solid-Conductor Ignition Wires References: <000d01c85b02$d0096d00$0201a8c0@xpseay> <4792B301.1030306@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <000e01c85b81$6b6d1980$0201a8c0@xpseay> Theo, No, I'm not planning to make a fuelie out of my Tiger or anything like that. The simple reason for using solids is that I have them. I bought a set of repro solid-conductor wires some years ago, long before I bought the Pertronix unit. The wires should look correct under the hood, and, with resistor plugs, should provide adequate RFI suppression. My past experience with resistor wires was that they were prone to become intermittent and that connecting an Ohm meter to a wire and wiggling it to see if it's the bad one is also the best way to make a good wire into a bad one. I'm not hard-over on solid-conductor wires, I just don't want to put a good set in the dumper because Pertronics may have made an unnecessarily-broad statement about solid-conductor wires. It seems to me that a device connected to the primary of the coil (Pertronix) would find it hard to tell the difference between a distributed resistance in series with the plug gap vs and a lumped resistance in series with the gap on the secondary of the coil. Obviously Pertronix is the authority on this, so I'll ask them. Just thought that maybe someone on the list had run into this before. ________________________ Will Seay - B382001570 ----- Original Message ----- What is your justification for running solid core wires? ... Theo From sganz at pacbell.net Sun Jan 20 10:04:53 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 09:04:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Pertronix and Solid-Conductor Ignition Wires Message-ID: <348616.9459.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Will - The main reason is that even with the resistor plugs, the nice solid core wires will act as a very good antenna and emit loads of RFI that could affect the Pertronics from the triggering perspective, not so much the load due to lower resistance of the wires. I think the same warning is issued with some of the MSD units as the triggering can get messed up with a lot of RF Noise. Easiest way to find out is to cut to fit and install. If a problem, then trash them ;-). Plenty of very good wires that will do the job, but I hear you on the having them and not wanting to wasting them! I used to run them on another car and always had problems getting inductive timming lights to work with it and the ignition that was on it. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Will Seay To: Theo Smit Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 8:27:58 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Pertronix and Solid-Conductor Ignition Wires Theo, No, I'm not planning to make a fuelie out of my Tiger or anything like that. The simple reason for using solids is that I have them. I bought a set of repro solid-conductor wires some years ago, long before I bought the Pertronix unit. The wires should look correct under the hood, and, with resistor plugs, should provide adequate RFI suppression. My past experience with resistor wires was that they were prone to become intermittent and that connecting an Ohm meter to a wire and wiggling it to see if it's the bad one is also the best way to make a good wire into a bad one. I'm not hard-over on solid-conductor wires, I just don't want to put a good set in the dumper because Pertronics may have made an unnecessarily-broad statement about solid-conductor wires. It seems to me that a device connected to the primary of the coil (Pertronix) would find it hard to tell the difference between a distributed resistance in series with the plug gap vs and a lumped resistance in series with the gap on the secondary of the coil. Obviously Pertronix is the authority on this, so I'll ask them. Just thought that maybe someone on the list had run into this before. ________________________ Will Seay - B382001570 ----- Original Message ----- What is your justification for running solid core wires? ... Theo You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From sunbeamjohn at msn.com Sun Jan 20 11:25:11 2008 From: sunbeamjohn at msn.com (sunbeam john) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:25:11 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Russo and Steele Tiger Pictures Message-ID: Paul Breuhan has offer to help me out and post the pictures and he will provide all of us a link. Keep in mind I didn't have a lot of time to get a lot of pictures. The guy in the picture with the Sunbeam jacket was the owner. John sunbeamjohn From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 11:32:03 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 13:32:03 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] engine/transmission mounts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39a841b0801201032q43d64e46y1c5b7c7667781a90@mail.gmail.com> Well that's fair enough :) On 1/20/08, Carmods at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/20/2008 9:46:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > owain.lloyd at gmail.com writes: > > What have you got against taiwan and korea? > Owain, > My comments apply only to the engine mounts from them, not the countries. > The ones I tried to use had the mounting holes located in the wrong place > so > the engine ended up on an angle in the plan view. It appeared they tried to > make a left and right out of the same steel backing plate. Also there was > about > 30% less rubber in the mount. This was about four years ago so maybe they > have improved the mounts since then. Just check them out against the > original > ones before you try to install them. > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From mmichels at socal.rr.com Sun Jan 20 12:36:03 2008 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:36:03 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] synthetic gear lube Message-ID: <00bc01c85b9b$b2091fa0$8a01a8c0@delldimension> What's the general thought on synthetic gear lube in a stock toploader? I had mine rebuilt recently, filled with mineral based 80/90 for break in. No leaks. Then switched to Mobil 1 75/90 to improve shift quality when cold. But now the seals weep. Should I go back to mineral based 80/90? From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Sun Jan 20 13:12:28 2008 From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:12:28 EST Subject: [Tigers] Tiger colors Message-ID: A few weeks ago there was a listing of Tiger colors. Midnight Blue, #58, was used on 424 Tigers. Mine, #768, was is Midnight Blue and did have a blue interior. After 26 years since the last interior restoration I decided to go to black inside while keeping the blue exterior. Fred Baum **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Sun Jan 20 14:31:31 2008 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:31:31 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Russo and Steele Tiger Pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: John and Everyone... Just finished the page...to see John's pictures (and his text) use the following link.... http://www.breuhan.com/russoandsteele/index.html Paul _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! From CMcCann at lwpb.com Sun Jan 20 15:19:40 2008 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:19:40 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Auction wager References: <20080120155048.MFDN14098.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: I was way off, I really thought I would have guessed closer. Peter, it wasnt your dvr that messed up, my satellite guide said russo and steele auction just like scheduled, but when I turned it on there was tennis. I never saw the auction on tv at all...dont know what happened. Cullen b382001452 1. Bill Lau MrLau at Charter.net -- $80,000 >> 2. Cullen McCann cmccann at lwpb.com -- $65,000 >> 3. Jeff Nichols jxnichols at sbcglobal.net -- $55,000 >> 4. Mike Wood _mwood24020 at aol.com -- $92,000 >> 5. Stephen Waybright - Not Sold @ $79,000 >> 6. Sandy Ganz $61,000 >> 7. Steve H $100,000 _______________________________________________ Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net Sun Jan 20 16:43:26 2008 From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:43:26 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] synthetic gear lube In-Reply-To: <00bc01c85b9b$b2091fa0$8a01a8c0@delldimension> References: <00bc01c85b9b$b2091fa0$8a01a8c0@delldimension> Message-ID: <4793DC9E.10406@cox.net> Mike: March 2008 Classic Motorsports had a good article on page 111 regarding the benefits of synthetic lube in a classic car transmission. The article didn't mention leakage problems like you're having, though. It did mention using a non-slip GL-5 lube (usually used in differentials, it says, but goes on to say that the non-slip version works well with the synchronizers) in "a heavily loaded gearbox such as those found in older domestic Ford and Chevy units." Don't know if the Red Line 75W90 NS GL-5 mentioned might be less likely to leak than the Mobil 1, but if you're wanting a synthetic in your trans, it might be worth a try before you go back to a conventional lube. Best Regards David Sosna (not shilling for Red Line or Classic Motorsports--grin) Mike Michels wrote: > What's the general thought on synthetic gear lube in a stock toploader? I had > mine rebuilt recently, filled with mineral based 80/90 for break in. No leaks. > Then switched to Mobil 1 75/90 to improve shift quality when cold. But now > the seals weep. Should I go back to mineral based 80/90? From sunbeamjohn at msn.com Sun Jan 20 22:09:07 2008 From: sunbeamjohn at msn.com (sunbeam john) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:09:07 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Auction wager In-Reply-To: References: <20080120155048.MFDN14098.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: When I was there they were taping the auction. John > Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:19:40 -0600> From: CMcCann at lwpb.com> To: mrlau at charter.net; tigers at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Auction wager> > I was way off, I really thought I would have guessed closer. Peter, it wasnt> your dvr that messed up, my satellite guide said russo and steele auction just> like scheduled, but when I turned it on there was tennis. I never saw the> auction on tv at all...dont know what happened.> > Cullen> > b382001452> > > > 1. Bill Lau MrLau at Charter.net -- $80,000> > >> 2. Cullen McCann cmccann at lwpb.com -- $65,000> > >> 3. Jeff Nichols jxnichols at sbcglobal.net -- $55,000> > >> 4. Mike Wood _mwood24020 at aol.com -- $92,000> > >> 5. Stephen Waybright - Not Sold @ $79,000> > >> 6. Sandy Ganz $61,000> > >> 7. Steve H $100,000> _______________________________________________> > > Tigers at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers> > http://www.team.net/archive> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > You are subscribed as sunbeamjohn at msn.com> > Tigers at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers> > http://www.team.net/archive From mjsutter at cox.net Mon Jan 21 07:52:19 2008 From: mjsutter at cox.net (mjsutter at cox.net) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:52:19 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Russo and Steele Tiger Message-ID: <003001c85c3d$38d2f910$9df2c548@sutter> $105,000..... The PO should be able to pay the bill at Dale's now. MS From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Jan 21 08:06:37 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:06:37 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Russo and Steele Tiger Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15760A09F@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> In Canada, selling or otherwise transferring ownership of a vehicle that has a lien registered against it is grounds for the lien holder to go out and repossess the vehicle, regardless of who the registered owner is at the time. I know nothing of the legal details surrounding the Lempert car, and Dale may have been reluctant to go that route, but one way or the other he'd be in possession of either the car or the money at this point. Theo From laurin212 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 21 08:18:45 2008 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:18:45 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Russo and Steele Tiger References: <003001c85c3d$38d2f910$9df2c548@sutter> Message-ID: <001401c85c40$ea406450$6501a8c0@PETERHOME> ah, that is the one i heard about. i guess that is why dale lists it on his site as "...alpine" as a jab to the owner, but i recall norm confirming it is a real tiger if i am not mistaken. anyone know how much it really cost to build that tiger, notwithstanding whatever the owner claims? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Russo and Steele Tiger > $105,000..... > > The PO should be able to pay the bill at Dale's now. From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Jan 21 08:43:01 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:43:01 EST Subject: [Tigers] Russo and Steele Tiger Message-ID: It's kind of curious that someone would spend $250,000 or even $150,000 on a restoration, drive it 75 miles and then sell it for 105,000. It just doesn't add up to me. I saw the same thing happen on Barrett Jackson. The seller would claim that they had just finished a huge restoration and then sell the car for 1/2 of what they claim the restoration price supposedly was. Mark **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Jan 21 09:02:34 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 09:02:34 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Russo and Steele Tiger Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15760A0A0@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Maybe for some of them, the excitement is in the creation or restoration of the car, and once that's finished, the car can't hold their interest any longer. For some, the money "spent" might reflect some value for the time they've poured into the car, but that doesn't necessarily add up to extra money the buyer has to spend. I've put in five or six hours in the last week or two pondering how to mount the fuel pressure regulator. Not that it can't be fit in a million different ways - I just don't want it to look like I just poured all the parts into the engine compartment and bolted them down wherever they landed. I've finally determined that in order to get it to look the way I want I'll probably end up pulling out the fuel lines and redoing them right from one end of the car to the other. Since it's mostly 3/8" steel tubing, that will be a character-building experience. The time spent will make me happier to show it off to people when it's done, but it wouldn't guarantee any increase in the hypothetical selling price. I'm still interested in a picture anyone might have of the Mk2 fuel pump arrangement. Not trying to clone anything, I just want to see how it was done. Theo From sunbeamjohn at msn.com Mon Jan 21 10:31:39 2008 From: sunbeamjohn at msn.com (sunbeam john) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:31:39 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Russo and Steele Tiger In-Reply-To: <001401c85c40$ea406450$6501a8c0@PETERHOME> References: <003001c85c3d$38d2f910$9df2c548@sutter> <001401c85c40$ea406450$6501a8c0@PETERHOME> Message-ID: At the auction the owner claim that the car was TAC'd. John > From: laurin212 at yahoo.com> To: mjsutter at cox.net; tigers at autox.team.net> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:18:45 -0500> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Russo and Steele Tiger> > ah, that is the one i heard about. i guess that is why dale lists it on his > site as "...alpine" as a jab to the owner, but i recall norm confirming it > is a real tiger if i am not mistaken. anyone know how much it really cost > to build that tiger, notwithstanding whatever the owner claims?> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 9:52 AM> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Russo and Steele Tiger> > > > $105,000.....> >> > The PO should be able to pay the bill at Dale's now.> _______________________________________________> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html> > You are subscribed as sunbeamjohn at msn.com> > Tigers at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers> > http://www.team.net/archive From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Mon Jan 21 13:53:40 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 12:53:40 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] synthetic gear lube In-Reply-To: <00bc01c85b9b$b2091fa0$8a01a8c0@delldimension> References: <00bc01c85b9b$b2091fa0$8a01a8c0@delldimension> Message-ID: <47950654.3030008@SoCal.rr.com> Tigers, My rebuilt Tiger MK II gearbox, the rebuilder's advice, was used with the Sunbeam recommended gear oil for 1,000 miles. After this "break-in" we drained and refilled with Mobil 1 GEAR OIL (not motor oil!). After the oil change I was immediately struck with the slick, and easy shifting. No loss of oil, so LONG TIME between drain and refill. Highly recommended. BTW: It will not "fix" a bad box. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Mike Michels wrote: > What's the general thought on synthetic gear lube in a stock toploader? I had > mine rebuilt recently, filled with mineral based 80/90 for break in. No leaks. > Then switched to Mobil 1 75/90 to improve shift quality when cold. But now > the seals weep. Should I go back to mineral based 80/90? From rande at thecia.net Mon Jan 21 16:39:38 2008 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:39:38 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Auction prices Message-ID: <47952d3a.34bc.0@thecia.net> I guess if a really modified Tiger can bring $105,000, then $108 for an original Mark 2 owners handbook currently on eBay is right in step, even though Rick sells really good reprints for $13.95. From DJoh797014 at aol.com Mon Jan 21 18:14:15 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:14:15 EST Subject: [Tigers] Russo and Steele Tiger Message-ID: Theo I your're close to Wauhesha, WI, drive over to Ken Bishop's and he'll show you very stock, original MK II. Fuel pump is hung under a metal bracket in the spare tire well Dave In a message dated 1/21/2008 10:03:04 A.M. Central Standard Time, Theo.Smit at dynastream.com writes: Maybe for some of them, the excitement is in the creation or restoration of the car, and once that's finished, the car can't hold their interest any longer. For some, the money "spent" might reflect some value for the time they've poured into the car, but that doesn't necessarily add up to extra money the buyer has to spend. I've put in five or six hours in the last week or two pondering how to mount the fuel pressure regulator. Not that it can't be fit in a million different ways - I just don't want it to look like I just poured all the parts into the engine compartment and bolted them down wherever they landed. I've finally determined that in order to get it to look the way I want I'll probably end up pulling out the fuel lines and redoing them right from one end of the car to the other. Since it's mostly 3/8" steel tubing, that will be a character-building experience. The time spent will make me happier to show it off to people when it's done, but it wouldn't guarantee any increase in the hypothetical selling price. I'm still interested in a picture anyone might have of the Mk2 fuel pump arrangement. Not trying to clone anything, I just want to see how it was done. Theo You are subscribed as djoh797014 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Jan 21 18:19:26 2008 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:19:26 EST Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: In a message dated 1/21/2008 6:39:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, rande at thecia.net writes: I guess if a really modified Tiger can bring $105,000 Kind of makes me wonder if that is where the market is going. 105,000 for a "really modified" Tiger......Have we seen a Tiger restored to perfectly original condition bring that kind of money? In the Barrett Jackson auction you could watch highly modified 55 Chevys bring 150,000 and stock, beautifully restored 55 Chevys bring 95,000. It appears that this buying generation wants muscle. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 21 18:24:46 2008 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:24:46 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <009801c85c95$93970690$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> I think it depends on who was drinking what! :) In a message dated 1/21/2008 6:39:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, rande at thecia.net writes: I guess if a really modified Tiger can bring $105,000 Kind of makes me wonder if that is where the market is going. 105,000 for a "really modified" Tiger......Have we seen a Tiger restored to perfectly original condition bring that kind of money? In the Barrett Jackson auction you could watch highly modified 55 Chevys bring 150,000 and stock, beautifully restored 55 Chevys bring 95,000. It appears that this buying generation wants muscle. From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 21 18:27:37 2008 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:27:37 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Russo and Steele Tiger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <009901c85c95$f9622360$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> And that metal bracket is similar if not the same as the one used to hang the electric pump in the battery box opening. Theo I your're close to Wauhesha, WI, drive over to Ken Bishop's and he'll show you very stock, original MK II. Fuel pump is hung under a metal bracket in the spare tire well From Sjhcobra1 at cs.com Mon Jan 21 19:23:54 2008 From: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Sjhcobra1 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:23:54 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Non-Tiger Parts Sought Message-ID: <25809287.0F9F1765.028BE4CD@cs.com> Sorry to hit the list with a non-Tiger mail, but I need some unique motor mount parts for my 1965 K-Code Mustang and thought that one of you with a K-code or GT350 may be able to help. I need two C30Z-6046-A upper motor mounts and one each C5ZZ-6028-A lower bracket right and one each C5ZZ-6029-Alower bracket left. Please contact me via e-mail at sjhcobra1 at cs.com. Thanks! Steve Halbrook From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Mon Jan 21 21:01:32 2008 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:01:32 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Mounted Fuel Pump Set-Up... In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15760A0A0@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15760A0A0@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: Theo, Not a Mk2 set-up...but here is how the P.O. of my car set things up in the trunk...pretty simple and straight forward.... http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/looking/bf7.jpg http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/some/CarTrunk1.jpg Everything fits under the false floor in the trunk. What you can't see is a Fram Canister Type Fuel Filter mounted under the car in between the fuel tank crossover tube and the fuel Mallory fuel pump...bolted to the trunk floor...the filter is like the one in the picture (link attached)... http://www.stockcarproducts.com/images/hpg1.jpg The only draw back I suppose I can't use the stock spare tire hold down bolt... i have to use a regular bolt through one of the lugs on the spare tire...I guess I lose points in the concours category. Paul > I'm still interested in a picture anyone might have of the Mk2 fuel pump > arrangement. Not trying to clone anything, I just want to see how it was > done. > Theo _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. From mrlau at charter.net Mon Jan 21 21:48:21 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:48:21 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Mounted Fuel Pump Set-Up... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080122044749.KFOE17353.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> I'm sure that Byron Golfin's MKII is original. I don't know if he is on this list but I'm sure he belongs to TE/AE and perhaps he would send a picture. -- Bill -- > I'm still interested in a picture anyone might have of the Mk2 fuel pump > arrangement. Not trying to clone anything, I just want to see how it was > done. > Theo From tsmit at shaw.ca Mon Jan 21 22:27:28 2008 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:27:28 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Mounted Fuel Pump Set-Up... In-Reply-To: <20080122044749.KFOE17353.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> References: <20080122044749.KFOE17353.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: <47957EC0.8080002@shaw.ca> Thanks Bill and Paul, Paul's pictures were great and I found some trunk pictures of an original Mk2 on a German site (Thanks, Tigermany from the TEAE forum) . Theo From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Mon Jan 21 22:26:27 2008 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:26:27 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Mounted Fuel Pump Set-Up... In-Reply-To: <47957EC0.8080002@shaw.ca> References: <20080122044749.KFOE17353.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> <47957EC0.8080002@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Theo, It was just just a thought...are you going stock on your Tiger? If I recall your car is modified? Or am I getting old! Paul > > Thanks Bill and Paul, > Paul's pictures were great and I found some trunk pictures of an > original Mk2 on a German site (Thanks, Tigermany from the TEAE forum) > . > > Theo _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. From tsmit at shaw.ca Mon Jan 21 22:35:39 2008 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:35:39 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Russo and Steele Tiger In-Reply-To: <009901c85c95$f9622360$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> References: <009901c85c95$f9622360$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> Message-ID: <479580AB.2080102@shaw.ca> Dave, 1337 miles, according to Google Earth! I don't think I'll be going there real quick unless business takes me to Wisconsin. Thanks for the answers to my question... I'll be building some brackets this week. Theo Ross wrote: > And that metal bracket is similar if not the same as the one used to hang > the electric pump in the battery box opening. > > > Theo > I your're close to Wauhesha, WI, drive over to Ken Bishop's > and he'll show you very stock, original MK II. From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 23:07:45 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:07:45 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Mounted Fuel Pump Set-Up... In-Reply-To: References: <20080122044749.KFOE17353.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> <47957EC0.8080002@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Here is a photo of the location of the pump in my MKIA. It does have a fuel cell but the pump is out of the way for stock tiger spare location. However the pump also makes a hell of a racket. -- Regards Michael King From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 23:08:23 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:08:23 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Mounted Fuel Pump Set-Up... In-Reply-To: References: <20080122044749.KFOE17353.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> <47957EC0.8080002@shaw.ca> Message-ID: My bad.. i forgot to send the link: http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2820361610054462410rTFhFX http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2041654740054462410EAbcLy On 22/01/2008, michael king wrote: > Here is a photo of the location of the pump in my MKIA. It does have a > fuel cell but the pump is out of the way for stock tiger spare > location. However the pump also makes a hell of a racket. > > -- > Regards > > Michael King > -- Regards Michael King From mk1a at earthlink.net Mon Jan 21 23:17:07 2008 From: mk1a at earthlink.net (Cliff Alexander) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:17:07 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] synthetic gear lube Message-ID: <410-2200812226177468@earthlink.net> I've used the Redline MTL in the past and it made a huge difference in how smooth the trans shifted both cold and hot, especially cold. My trans weeped a little oil before I changed and still weeped a little after, I didn't notice a big difference. Cliff > [Original Message] > From: Mike Michels > To: Tiger Email List > Date: 1/20/2008 11:36:02 AM > Subject: [Tigers] synthetic gear lube > > What's the general thought on synthetic gear lube in a stock toploader? I had > mine rebuilt recently, filled with mineral based 80/90 for break in. No leaks. > Then switched to Mobil 1 75/90 to improve shift quality when cold. But now > the seals weep. Should I go back to mineral based 80/90? > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mk1a at earthlink.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 04:06:14 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:06:14 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack gaiters Message-ID: <39a841b0801220306m22290fbam9abab2f78331a4f0@mail.gmail.com> Any tips on how to get new gaitors onto the rack flange without removing the rack? I spend well over an hour trying to get one on this morning without success. I'm thinking about removing it and putting it in boiling water to soften it up... The tiger is full of simple jobs that end up being a real hassle due to space. Thanks in advance. From mark.rense at ge.com Tue Jan 22 09:50:49 2008 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:50:49 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack gaiters In-Reply-To: <39a841b0801220306m22290fbam9abab2f78331a4f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <39a841b0801220306m22290fbam9abab2f78331a4f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Very, very true, especially for us guys with size 12 hands.... -----Original Message----- From: Owain Lloyd Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 6:06 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack gaiters The tiger is full of simple jobs that end up being a real hassle due to space. From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Tue Jan 22 10:05:45 2008 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:05:45 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Non-Tiger Parts Sought In-Reply-To: <25809287.0F9F1765.028BE4CD@cs.com> References: <25809287.0F9F1765.028BE4CD@cs.com> Message-ID: <002c01c85d19$06eb0410$74fcc04a@jerry> Steve, I just called a friend of mine who is a gold card judge for 64,65,66 Mustangs, and has owned 5 K-codes and 4 Shelby's. He said the best place is E-Bay, but they'll run about $1200.00 or more for a set. As you know they're unique to that year (65) the 66 67 K-codes used the standard motor mounts which will work just fine on your 65, but if you are a stickler for originality it will cost mega bucks. What's new? Jerry Christopherson #9473186 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sjhcobra1 at cs.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 8:24 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Non-Tiger Parts Sought Sorry to hit the list with a non-Tiger mail, but I need some unique motor mount parts for my 1965 K-Code Mustang and thought that one of you with a K-code or GT350 may be able to help. I need two C30Z-6046-A upper motor mounts and one each C5ZZ-6028-A lower bracket right and one each C5ZZ-6029-Alower bracket left. Please contact me via e-mail at sjhcobra1 at cs.com. Thanks! Steve Halbrook You are subscribed as jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From atwittsend at verizon.net Tue Jan 22 11:37:59 2008 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:37:59 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack gaiters References: <39a841b0801220306m22290fbam9abab2f78331a4f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003e01c85d25$ea387200$0202a8c0@allinthefamily> >>>The tiger is full of simple jobs that end up being a real hassle due to space.<<< Owain, I don't have an answer to your question as I installed my gaiters with the rack removed. However, (and I don't want to add to the difficulty) but I found the zip ties that are often provided to do a poor job of preventing leaks. When I brought my frustrations to the list years ago I found I was in the minority, but for me it was a problem. In the end I found that certain hose clamps from Europeans cars (Volvo Turbo's, BMW's and I recall Audi's) had the right circumference and more importantly were narrow enough to properly fit the larger diameter of the gaiters. These clamps also angled up at the edges to prevent cutting as a standard, straight edged clamp might do. So, while you are dealing with the difficulty, you might want to go the extra step and have a better chance of preventing a leak, because 'simple jobs DO end up being a real hassle.' Tom Witt From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 11:57:22 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:57:22 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack gaiters In-Reply-To: <003e01c85d25$ea387200$0202a8c0@allinthefamily> References: <39a841b0801220306m22290fbam9abab2f78331a4f0@mail.gmail.com> <003e01c85d25$ea387200$0202a8c0@allinthefamily> Message-ID: <39a841b0801221057x7251f9a6xaffa35c1ceeef475@mail.gmail.com> these ones (from SS) came with metal hose clamps. i'm going to try to heat it and pre stretch it tomorrow. On Jan 22, 2008 6:37 PM, Thomas Witt wrote: > >>>The tiger is full of simple jobs that end up being a real hassle due to > space.<<< > > Owain, > I don't have an answer to your question as I installed my gaiters with the > rack removed. However, (and I don't want to add to the difficulty) but I > found the zip ties that are often provided to do a poor job of preventing > leaks. When I brought my frustrations to the list years ago I found I was > in the minority, but for me it was a problem. In the end I found that > certain hose clamps from Europeans cars (Volvo Turbo's, BMW's and I recall > Audi's) had the right circumference and more importantly were narrow enough > to properly fit the larger diameter of the gaiters. These clamps also > angled up at the edges to prevent cutting as a standard, straight edged > clamp might do. > > So, while you are dealing with the difficulty, you might want to go the > extra step and have a better chance of preventing a leak, because 'simple > jobs DO end up being a real hassle.' > > Tom Witt > > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Tue Jan 22 13:26:25 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:26:25 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Parts In-Reply-To: <39a841b0801221057x7251f9a6xaffa35c1ceeef475@mail.gmail.com> References: <39a841b0801220306m22290fbam9abab2f78331a4f0@mail.gmail.com> <003e01c85d25$ea387200$0202a8c0@allinthefamily> <39a841b0801221057x7251f9a6xaffa35c1ceeef475@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47965171.1030708@SoCal.rr.com> Tigers, Regarding the many list messages looking for Tiger or Alpine parts, I would like to recommend that: Sunbeam Specialties , of Campbell California, as a reliable and quality parts supplier for the Marque. 765-A McGlincey Lane - BLDG A . Campbell, CA 95008 Phone 408.371.1642 . Fax 408.371.8070 Rick McLeod has been in this business since 1977, and has many parts specifically made to his order. He is a fine gentleman and stands behind his products. I have personally been a customer since I purchased my Tiger. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com From PHEMISG at tc.gc.ca Tue Jan 22 13:32:08 2008 From: PHEMISG at tc.gc.ca (Phemister, George) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:32:08 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack gaiters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've used the boiling water treatment to stretch some odd CV joint bellows on an old BMW. Some non-slip rubber gloves are a good idea. George From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 22 13:45:07 2008 From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:45:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Parts In-Reply-To: <47965171.1030708@SoCal.rr.com> Message-ID: <156470.12766.qm@web82713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I second that recommendation. Although I also had great results with "Tiger Tom" when he was in the business, I've purchased many, many parts from Sunbeam Specialties over a 20 year period. I've always received great service and I have never been disappointed in the quality of his offerings. The best out there, in my oipinion. Bill Waite Grand Rapids, MI Steve Laifman wrote: Tigers, Regarding the many list messages looking for Tiger or Alpine parts, I would like to recommend that: Sunbeam Specialties , of Campbell California, as a reliable and quality parts supplier for the Marque. 765-A McGlincey Lane - BLDG A . Campbell, CA 95008 Phone 408.371.1642 . Fax 408.371.8070 Rick McLeod has been in this business since 1977, and has many parts specifically made to his order. He is a fine gentleman and stands behind his products. I have personally been a customer since I purchased my Tiger. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com You are subscribed as fordlandia at sbcglobal.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From mark.rense at ge.com Tue Jan 22 14:39:39 2008 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:39:39 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] synthetic gear lube In-Reply-To: <410-2200812226177468@earthlink.net> References: <410-2200812226177468@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I second that on the Redline tranny lube. Great stuff, and while I have not experienced any weeping out of the transmission, it does occasionally snivel when shifted too quickly. :>) Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cliff Alexander Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:17 AM To: Tiger Email List Subject: Re: [Tigers] synthetic gear lube I've used the Redline MTL in the past and it made a huge difference in how smooth the trans shifted both cold and hot, especially cold. My trans weeped a little oil before I changed and still weeped a little after, I didn't notice a big difference. Cliff From Landcmitch at aol.com Tue Jan 22 15:00:23 2008 From: Landcmitch at aol.com (Landcmitch at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:00:23 EST Subject: [Tigers] Parts Message-ID: Absolutely right. Large selection, excellent quality, Top-notch service. A real asset to the marque and its followers. Charlie **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 15:11:18 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:11:18 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Parts In-Reply-To: <156470.12766.qm@web82713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <47965171.1030708@SoCal.rr.com> <156470.12766.qm@web82713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0801221411s2b41d221n85e1b076f0a54933@mail.gmail.com> Took me a while to realize that tiger tom (who I've never delt with) and tom hall are different people. On 1/22/08, Bill Waite wrote: > I second that recommendation. Although I also had great results with "Tiger > Tom" when he was in the business, I've purchased many, many parts from > Sunbeam Specialties over a 20 year period. I've always received great > service and I have never been disappointed in the quality of his offerings. > The best out there, in my oipinion. > > Bill Waite > Grand Rapids, MI > > > Steve Laifman wrote: > Tigers, > > Regarding the many list messages looking for Tiger or Alpine parts, I > would like to recommend that: > > Sunbeam Specialties , of Campbell California, > as a reliable and quality parts supplier for the Marque. > > 765-A McGlincey Lane - BLDG A . Campbell, CA 95008 > Phone 408.371.1642 . Fax 408.371.8070 > > > Rick McLeod has been in this business since 1977, and has many parts > specifically made to his order. He is a fine gentleman and stands > behind his products. I have personally been a customer since I > purchased my Tiger. > > Steve > > ___ > Steve Laifman > Editor - TigersUnited.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as fordlandia at sbcglobal.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Jan 22 15:17:21 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:17:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] synthetic gear lube Message-ID: <481211.90881.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have used Redline MTL in an older BMW box and had good results as well when cold. No leakage. I have it in another box, but have not used the car yet. Oddly it leaks like a sieve, but not due to the MTL. The biggest problem with Synthetics is they are sometimes too slippery for the synchro's which is normally may not be an issue with our type of gear boxes but can be. I have a couple of Porsche 930 gear boxes and I was told NEVER run synthetic in them as they will not shift well. They rely on friction for the synchro's and the synthetics are too slippery for them to work. ALSO make sure your not running anything with friction modifiers (additives) like for the Diff, some products have them and they have been known to cause issues with shifting due to being too slippery. That all being said, I'm generally not likely to go out of my way for synthetic for the gearbox unless I have it. Cruise the web for more info on the holy war on synthetics in the gearbox. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)" To: Tiger Email List Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:39:39 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] synthetic gear lube I second that on the Redline tranny lube. Great stuff, and while I have not experienced any weeping out of the transmission, it does occasionally snivel when shifted too quickly. :>) Bugz -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cliff Alexander Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:17 AM To: Tiger Email List Subject: Re: [Tigers] synthetic gear lube I've used the Redline MTL in the past and it made a huge difference in how smooth the trans shifted both cold and hot, especially cold. My trans weeped a little oil before I changed and still weeped a little after, I didn't notice a big difference. Cliff You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 15:24:17 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:24:17 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Parts In-Reply-To: <39a841b0801221411s2b41d221n85e1b076f0a54933@mail.gmail.com> References: <47965171.1030708@SoCal.rr.com> <156470.12766.qm@web82713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <39a841b0801221411s2b41d221n85e1b076f0a54933@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0801221424va20c02bw284207ded7bae098@mail.gmail.com> and to add my experience from the people i've most benefited from: 1) doug jennings (in ohio) does top notch work very fast and is totally dependable. 2) tom hall is obviously very knowledgeable and extremely helpful. i'd jump at any of his gear quality wise. the same goes for rob guerra at mod tiger eng. 3) sunbeam specialties provides quality parts and service although i've seldom delt with rick himself. (i tend to know what i want went i call). On Jan 22, 2008 10:11 PM, Owain Lloyd wrote: > Took me a while to realize that tiger tom (who I've never delt with) > and tom hall are different people. > > > > > > > On 1/22/08, Bill Waite wrote: > > I second that recommendation. Although I also had great results with "Tiger > > Tom" when he was in the business, I've purchased many, many parts from > > Sunbeam Specialties over a 20 year period. I've always received great > > service and I have never been disappointed in the quality of his offerings. > > The best out there, in my oipinion. > > > > Bill Waite > > Grand Rapids, MI > > > > > > Steve Laifman wrote: > > Tigers, > > > > Regarding the many list messages looking for Tiger or Alpine parts, I > > would like to recommend that: > > > > Sunbeam Specialties , of Campbell California, > > as a reliable and quality parts supplier for the Marque. > > > > 765-A McGlincey Lane - BLDG A . Campbell, CA 95008 > > Phone 408.371.1642 . Fax 408.371.8070 > > > > > > Rick McLeod has been in this business since 1977, and has many parts > > specifically made to his order. He is a fine gentleman and stands > > behind his products. I have personally been a customer since I > > purchased my Tiger. > > > > Steve > > > > ___ > > Steve Laifman > > Editor - TigersUnited.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as fordlandia at sbcglobal.net > > > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive From gharlowe at comcast.net Tue Jan 22 19:43:22 2008 From: gharlowe at comcast.net (gharlowe at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:43:22 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Pressure Fitting Message-ID: <001701c85d69$ba22a100$030010ac@gharlowe9h3kpn> Listers - I'm replacing a very leaky oil pressure sensing line with a new one from Sunbeam Specialties. Of course, at the block end, the fitting for the existing line has a smaller diameter fitting than the new SS line. I need a fitting or combination of fittings to mate the new oil pressure line (w/ flare bulb at end of nylon line) to the engine block. The previous set-up had a male-female fitting threaded into the block with a male-male reducer threaded into it. Before I head off to the plumbing section of the hardware store to match threads, is there anything peculiar about this connection? Is there a standard Ford part number for this fitting? Thanks and cheers, Graham Harlowe B382001466 From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Tue Jan 22 19:57:28 2008 From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:57:28 EST Subject: [Tigers] Tiger/Alpine gas tank sealer Message-ID: I was talking to an auto restorer I deal with, and he recommended Gas Tank Renu for cleaning and sealing gas tanks, inside and out. He had an XKE tank repaired and sealed. It cost about $350 plus shipping, which for an XKE is cheap compared to a new tank for about $800. He also sent out an MGTD tank. They coated only the inside since the TD tank needs to be painted to match the rest of the car. He swears by this procedure and does not use any other method. _http://www.gastankrenu.com/_ (http://www.gastankrenu.com/) Expensive, yes, but they have a lifetime warranty on all car and truck tanks. Fred Baum 9470768 **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 23 03:21:13 2008 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 02:21:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack gaiters Message-ID: <937161.92423.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You didn't say if you removed the radiator. When I replaced them on my steering rack, the radiator had to come out. No way could I replace them with the radiator bolted in. Jeff From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 04:38:54 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:38:54 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack gaiters In-Reply-To: <937161.92423.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <937161.92423.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0801230338paf6fbe8qe8251b9605a216cc@mail.gmail.com> No the radiator (original size) is still in. Does't look like this is going to be as easy as I hoped. Oh well... Its time I flushed the coolant anyhow. On 1/23/08, Jeffrey Nichols wrote: > You didn't say if you removed the radiator. When I replaced them on my > steering rack, the radiator had to come out. No way could I replace them > with the radiator bolted in. > > > > Jeff From achd73 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 08:59:25 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 07:59:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Russo and Steele Tiger In-Reply-To: <009901c85c95$f9622360$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> Message-ID: <56956.16898.qm@web30312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Saw on ESPN this a.m that the Russo & Steele auction , would air at 8 a.m. EST this Sat. morning. TTT ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From billlawrence at hotmail.com Wed Jan 23 09:29:41 2008 From: billlawrence at hotmail.com (Bill Lawrence) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:29:41 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 31 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tigers, I had to comment on this message: "The tiger is full of simple jobs that end up being a real hassle due to space." Reminds me of why my father always "let" me change the spark plugs on the Tiger when I was a kid. Still get to do it 36 years later. Regards, Bill "long and skinny fingers" Lawrence (Jr.) _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Wed Jan 23 11:30:34 2008 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:30:34 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger/Alpine gas tank sealer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004301c85dee$0b0f4990$74fcc04a@jerry> When I did my restoration, my gas tanks had the usual light corrosion inside. What I did was buy a quart of sealer that is used for motorcycle gas tanks, that was more than enough to coat the insides of the two tanks and the crossovers. As I remember there are two types, one is for gasoline only and the other is if there is any alcohol in the gas which is the one I opted for just in case we no longer have the option. The directions are very easy and the cost wasn't that much either. Maybe $20.00 or so, been a long time ago. I've been finished with my restoration now coming up on 8 years and they're still clean as can be. Jerry Christopherson #9473187 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of FHSLOTH13 at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:57 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger/Alpine gas tank sealer I was talking to an auto restorer I deal with, and he recommended Gas Tank Renu for cleaning and sealing gas tanks, inside and out. He had an XKE tank repaired and sealed. It cost about $350 plus shipping, which for an XKE is cheap compared to a new tank for about $800. He also sent out an MGTD tank. They coated only the inside since the TD tank needs to be painted to match the rest of the car. He swears by this procedure and does not use any other method. _http://www.gastankrenu.com/_ (http://www.gastankrenu.com/) Expensive, yes, but they have a lifetime warranty on all car and truck tanks. Fred Baum 9470768 **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 You are subscribed as jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From modtiger at comcast.net Wed Jan 23 15:05:06 2008 From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:05:06 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack gaiters In-Reply-To: <39a841b0801230338paf6fbe8qe8251b9605a216cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <937161.92423.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <39a841b0801230338paf6fbe8qe8251b9605a216cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20080123132008.02284148@comcast.net> At 03:38 AM 1/23/2008, you wrote: >No the radiator (original size) is still in. Does't look like this is >going to be as easy as I hoped. Oh well... Its time I flushed the >coolant anyhow. There's a point to be made here. When working on a Tiger you will often you will find that things that are not normally related, are related to make the job faster and easier. The steering column is one of those "related" things. Many jobs are simply much easier when the column is pulled back or removed. You don't normally think of this but the removal of the column is a relatively quick operation. In your case, the removal of the radiator and hoses will make the installation of the boots (gaiters) much easier. This is especially true with your right hand drive Tiger. But, you still have to get the cup of oil back into the rack. The rod end or ends are already loose (it's always recommended to change both boots at the time of repair). So the only things preventing you from removing the rack are the 4 mounting bolts and the bottom U-joint bolt. You have to be careful with the bottom U-joint because there is no flat for alignment as there is at the top U-joint. Cleaning the Rack Pinion enough to make a lasting mark to align the slot before you separate the components will make this easier. You will find that with the column pulled back and the rack removed that the installation of the boots will be much much quicker and easier. I use a cup with a tapered tube that fits the "open" hole in the casting for horizontal filling, but standing it on-end with the pinion side up will also work quite well. I also recommend the use of a hose tool to help stretch the boots and hoses into position. If you don't have one in your toolbox, you should. It's a screwdriver handle with a round tapered blade shaped like a bent number seven. Let me know when you're stateside again. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net From Sl51389 at aol.com Wed Jan 23 17:15:17 2008 From: Sl51389 at aol.com (Sl51389 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:15:17 EST Subject: [Tigers] alluminum bell housings Message-ID: Hi, I am looking for the ford part numbers for a 6 bolt bell housing because the previous owner was new to the area and didn't check the anti-freeze and cracked the original 260 block but did have a 66 , 289 engine that he gave me with the car and it is a 6 bolt block and I would like A ford alluminum bell housing . I still have the original 5 bolt housing if anyone is interested. Thanks Scott H. O'Hara B9471705 **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From Sjhcobra1 at cs.com Wed Jan 23 18:50:32 2008 From: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Sjhcobra1 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:50:32 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack gaiters Message-ID: <4AF845D2.61CFD054.028BE4CD@cs.com> Tom: Is the hose tool you're referring to also called a cotter pin puller? It's one of my handiest tools. Steve Halbrook From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Jan 23 18:54:49 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:54:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] alluminum bell housings Message-ID: <499876.64391.qm@web82812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> C5DA-6394-A C90A-6394-A Are ones that I think you are looking for. They are all over ebay. I got one from a fellow named Kajun Jon, it came blasted painted, fork, boot, backing plate, and was about 230 bucks. The one I got was a C90A-6394-A which I was told was the same as the C5 version, but then why would they change the part number. Both are for the 10.5" flywheel. Wait let me look... Do a search for this number on EBAY 360015211934 HTH Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "Sl51389 at aol.com" To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:15:17 PM Subject: [Tigers] alluminum bell housings Hi, I am looking for the ford part numbers for a 6 bolt bell housing because the previous owner was new to the area and didn't check the anti-freeze and cracked the original 260 block but did have a 66 , 289 engine that he gave me with the car and it is a 6 bolt block and I would like A ford alluminum bell housing . I still have the original 5 bolt housing if anyone is interested. Thanks Scott H. O'Hara B9471705 **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Jan 23 18:59:42 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:59:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] alluminum bell housings Message-ID: <215040.93430.qm@web82813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> One question that may be raised is the Toploader to bell housing the same for the Tiger top loaders as the later 6 bolt bell ones? I seem to recall someone here mentioning they might be. I have a David Key version so not an issue, but not sure about early stock versions that came with 5 bolt bells? Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Sandy Ganz To: Sl51389 at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 5:54:49 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] alluminum bell housings C5DA-6394-A C90A-6394-A Are ones that I think you are looking for. They are all over ebay. I got one from a fellow named Kajun Jon, it came blasted painted, fork, boot, backing plate, and was about 230 bucks. The one I got was a C90A-6394-A which I was told was the same as the C5 version, but then why would they change the part number. Both are for the 10.5" flywheel. Wait let me look... Do a search for this number on EBAY 360015211934 HTH Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "Sl51389 at aol.com" To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:15:17 PM Subject: [Tigers] alluminum bell housings Hi, I am looking for the ford part numbers for a 6 bolt bell housing because the previous owner was new to the area and didn't check the anti-freeze and cracked the original 260 block but did have a 66 , 289 engine that he gave me with the car and it is a 6 bolt block and I would like A ford alluminum bell housing . I still have the original 5 bolt housing if anyone is interested. Thanks Scott H. O'Hara B9471705 **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net Wed Jan 23 22:21:48 2008 From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:21:48 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Steering rack gaiters In-Reply-To: <4AF845D2.61CFD054.028BE4CD@cs.com> References: <4AF845D2.61CFD054.028BE4CD@cs.com> Message-ID: <4798206C.1020905@cox.net> Oh yeah, Steve, I've got something similar, but without the cool handle. Smitty refers to it somewhat inelegantly as a sh*thook. Never quite figured out why. :-) Best Regards David Sosna Sjhcobra1 at cs.com wrote: > Tom: > > Is the hose tool you're referring to also called a cotter pin puller? It's one of my handiest tools. > > Steve Halbrook From un-cole-a at juno.com Thu Jan 24 07:46:08 2008 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:46:08 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Engine rebuild Message-ID: <20080124.094608.17403.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> I requested a quote for an engine rebuild from a local engine shop and this is the reply I received. This is for a rebuild of the original 260. A stock rebuild on that engine is $2,400.00, plus any upgrade of parts. I would say cam, lifters, some mild head work, stainless valves, valve springs, retainers and roller rockers. With those you will spend $4,000.00 on the rebuild. Does this sound like it is in line with what other Tiger owners are paying for rebuilds? Tim B9470149 _____________________________________________________________ Click now to choose from thousands of designs for your checks! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m7Akdw0prOee8GFgf75vuLKSBw kVcEO3u2JlDJ9TDBeajlg/ From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net Thu Jan 24 08:33:32 2008 From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:33:32 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Engine rebuild In-Reply-To: <20080124.094608.17403.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080124.094608.17403.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <4798AFCC.7080908@cox.net> Tim: I think I spent a similar amount on my 302 for pretty much the same work as you describe. A big chunk went into pocket porting the stock iron heads. At the time I wanted to keep that engine, since it was a J-code 302, and they were only around for a year (I think). In hindsight, I understood why so many Tiger owners grab a crate motor. More power for about the same amount of money. Best Regards David Sosna P.S. This was around '04. un-cole-a at juno.com wrote: > This is for a rebuild of the original 260. > A stock rebuild on that engine is $2,400.00, plus any upgrade of parts. > I would say cam, lifters, some mild head work, stainless valves, valve > springs, retainers and roller rockers. > With those you will spend $4,000.00 on the rebuild. > Does this sound like it is in line with what other Tiger owners are paying for > rebuilds? From rjw at wengco.com Thu Jan 24 08:43:42 2008 From: rjw at wengco.com (Robert J. Wanty) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:43:42 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Engine rebuild Message-ID: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C566DF60@weco1.wengco.com> I got my 260 rebuilt for about $1400 (excluding my labor) which included .040 over pistons and cylinder bore, .020 over on the crank; line bore the crank journals, boring the connecting rods for trueness, cam, lifters, heads rebuilt. I put it together in about a day and thanks to the engine gods it runs good; although a terrible warranty. Bob B382001318 -----Original Message----- From: un-cole-a at juno.com [mailto:un-cole-a at juno.com] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 9:46 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Engine rebuild I requested a quote for an engine rebuild from a local engine shop and this is the reply I received. This is for a rebuild of the original 260. A stock rebuild on that engine is $2,400.00, plus any upgrade of parts. I would say cam, lifters, some mild head work, stainless valves, valve springs, retainers and roller rockers. With those you will spend $4,000.00 on the rebuild. Does this sound like it is in line with what other Tiger owners are paying for rebuilds? Tim B9470149 _____________________________________________________________ Click now to choose from thousands of designs for your checks! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3m7Akdw0prOee8GFgf75vu LKSBw kVcEO3u2JlDJ9TDBeajlg/ You are subscribed as rjw at wengco.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From mrlau at charter.net Thu Jan 24 09:17:24 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:17:24 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Engine rebuild In-Reply-To: <4798AFCC.7080908@cox.net> Message-ID: <20080124161653.IVUC14098.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> Correct David, Plus I trust a crate motor way more than a rebuild. The price you are quoting might be right from a nationally renowned engine builder but for a local group I would be wary. Porting the stock heads is a do it yourself job as far as I am concerned. All that is necessary is to gasket match and smooth into the port. An air tool is much better but a high speed 1/4 inch drill will work too. The only reason it is expensive is because it is labor intensive, not because it is difficult. The reason a really good engine rebuild is expensive is because of the machines necessary to do the job correctly are different than the machines used for standard rebuilds and so is the time spent. You really don't know how good your rebuild is until down the line and then it is too late because you will be blamed for over revving or lack of oil because I guarantee it won't be their fault.-- Bill -- Tim: I think I spent a similar amount on my 302 for pretty much the same work as you describe. A big chunk went into pocket porting the stock iron heads. At the time I wanted to keep that engine, since it was a J-code 302, and they were only around for a year (I think). In hindsight, I understood why so many Tiger owners grab a crate motor. More power for about the same amount of money. Best Regards David Sosna P.S. This was around '04. un-cole-a at juno.com wrote: > This is for a rebuild of the original 260. > A stock rebuild on that engine is $2,400.00, plus any upgrade of parts. > I would say cam, lifters, some mild head work, stainless valves, valve > springs, retainers and roller rockers. > With those you will spend $4,000.00 on the rebuild. > Does this sound like it is in line with what other Tiger owners are paying for > rebuilds? _______________________________________________ From pasanville at aol.com Thu Jan 24 09:18:07 2008 From: pasanville at aol.com (pasanville at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:18:07 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tires Message-ID: <8CA2CBBD6F43433-1010-4287@mblk-d36.sysops.aol.com> Good Morning, Does anyone have a good substitute for tires. I am looking for an "original" looking tire. ( a more square tread design) Whitewall. Thanks, Pete ? ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From mtjoy at telis.org Thu Jan 24 11:04:59 2008 From: mtjoy at telis.org (Mountjoy) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:04:59 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Works Wonders Message-ID: <003a01c85eb3$a2de1740$1db90c45@computer> All, This information in from Dave MeDermott on Graham Rood's book "Works Wonders". I've included all the correspondence sent me. Hope this information helps. Looks like we'll soon be able to bet the book in the US more easily !! Darrell ___________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "David McDermott" To: "Mountjoy" Cc: "Peter Shimmell" Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 6:36 AM Subject: Fwd: Tigers United website Darrell, I have not posted to the Tiger list before. Rather than waiting for me to figure it out, could you forward this great info on the book availability through Barnes and Noble to the Tiger list. Thanks. Dave ___________________________ ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter Shimmell" >To: "Dave McDermott" , > "Dave McDermot" >X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Tigers United website >Subject: Tigers United website >Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:28:22 -0000 >Hello Dave, > >Having just sent the earlier e mail re Barnes & Noble, the e mail to Steve >Laifman was returned. > >Can you please try and forward it to the current guy handling the Tigers >United site for a Press Release. > >Regards >Peter >MM Ltd ___________________________ >-----Original Message----- >From: Peter Shimmell [mailto:mercman at lineone.net] >Sent: 24 January 2008 13:07 >To: editor at tigersunited.com >Cc: John Dandy; Graham Rood; Graham Vickery; Dave McDermott; Dave >McDermot >Subject: Steve Laifman > >Hello Steve, > >Being the publisher of the the new book "THE WORKS TIGERS" here in the UK, >we are now pleased to announce that the book in question is now available >from BARNES & NOBLE online at a price of $107.96US. This will now help with >the shipping issues being incurred by sending them direct from the UK. >Is it possible for you to produce a short "Press Release" over your site. >The book is being reviewed by HEMMINGS in the near future which I think will >be intersting. >There have been reviews here in the UK, which have been very posertive >indded. > >Thanking you in anticipation > >Regards > >Peter Shimmell >Mercian Manuals Ltd >353 Kenilworth Road >Balsall Common >Coventry >England >CV7 7DL >0044 (0) 1676 533304 >0044 (0) 7768 063010 >www.mercianmanuals.co.uk From bobdixon at frii.com Thu Jan 24 13:10:12 2008 From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:10:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Tigers] Works Wonders In-Reply-To: <003a01c85eb3$a2de1740$1db90c45@computer> References: <003a01c85eb3$a2de1740$1db90c45@computer> Message-ID: <4554.192.55.12.36.1201205412.squirrel@users.frii.com> Ordered mine this morning from Barnes and Noble. It is supposed to ship on the 25th. -Bob From joe at herrmannfinancial.com Thu Jan 24 15:51:15 2008 From: joe at herrmannfinancial.com (Joe Rebelo) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:51:15 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Lat Hoods out there? Message-ID: Hey there folks, 9470666 is going to the body shop in two weeks, and I was hoping to track down a LAT79 hood to be done with the car. Anybody have one laying around they are not going to use and want to sell? Joseph V Rebelo Jr. LUTCF(r) Herrmann Financial Services, Inc. 370 Diablo Road, Suite 201 Danville, CA 94526 800-434-6837 PH 925-831-0200 FX 925-831-8957 www.herrmannfinancial.com PLEASE READ THIS WARNING: All e-mail sent to or from this address will be received or otherwise recorded by the Herrmann Financial Services, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring and/or review, by and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. 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Follow-up and individualized responses that involve either the effecting or attempting to effect transactions in securities, or the rendering of personalized investment advice for compensation, as the case may be, will not be made absent compliance with state investment adviser and investment adviser representative registration requirements, or an applicable exemption or exclusion. From rmebstein at aol.com Thu Jan 24 15:59:09 2008 From: rmebstein at aol.com (rmebstein at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:59:09 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Lat Hoods out there? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA2CF3DD0221BE-17A8-1F0F@mblk-d39.sysops.aol.com> Joe, I have a brand new unused LAT hood still in the box made by Kent Wilcox in El Cajon, CA. You may contact me off List. Rodney -----Original Message----- From: Joe Rebelo To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 2:51 pm Subject: [Tigers] Lat Hoods out there? Hey there folks, 9470666 is going to the body shop in two weeks, and I was hoping to track down a LAT79 hood to be done with the car. Anybody have one laying around they are not going to use and want to sell? Joseph V Rebelo Jr. LUTCF(r) Herrmann Financial Services, Inc. 370 Diablo Road, Suite 201 Danville, CA 94526 800-434-6837 PH 925-831-0200 FX 925-831-8957 www.herrmannfinancial.com PLEASE READ THIS WARNING: All e-mail sent to or from this address will be received or otherwise recorded by the Herrmann Financial Services, Inc. corporate e-mail system and is subject to archival, monitoring and/or review, by and/or disclosure to, someone other than the recipient. This message is intended only for the use of the person(s) ("intended recipient") to whom it is addressed. It may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender as soon as possible and delete the message without reading it or making a copy. 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You are subscribed as rmebstein at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From mtjoy at telis.org Thu Jan 24 16:46:53 2008 From: mtjoy at telis.org (Mountjoy) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:46:53 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] "THE WORKS TIGERS" Message-ID: <002501c85ee3$661d1bf0$1db90c45@computer> All, Oops, another mess-up on my part. I miss spoke about Mr. Rood's book. It is correctly titled "THE WORKS TIGERS". The book I spoke of, "Works Wonders" is a book by Mr. Marcus Chambers. Sorry for any inconvenience this mis-quote may have caused. Darrell From gswaybright at yahoo.com Thu Jan 24 16:56:46 2008 From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:56:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Engine rebuild In-Reply-To: <20080124161653.IVUC14098.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: <934297.95367.qm@web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> The crate motor also allows you to get the advantages of a roller cam. --- William Lau wrote: > Correct David, > Plus I trust a crate motor way more than a rebuild. The price > you are > quoting might be right from a nationally renowned engine builder but > for a > local group I would be wary. Porting the stock heads is a do it > yourself > job as far as I am concerned. All that is necessary is to gasket > match and > smooth into the port. An air tool is much better but a high speed > 1/4 inch > drill will work too. The only reason it is expensive is because it > is labor > intensive, not because it is difficult. The reason a really good > engine > rebuild is expensive is because of the machines necessary to do the > job > correctly are different than the machines used for standard rebuilds > and so > is the time spent. You really don't know how good your rebuild is > until > down the line and then it is too late because you will be blamed for > over > revving or lack of oil because I guarantee it won't be their fault.-- > Bill > -- > > Tim: > I think I spent a similar amount on my 302 for pretty much the same > work > as you describe. A big chunk went into pocket porting the stock iron > heads. > At the time I wanted to keep that engine, since it was a J-code 302, > and > they were only around for a year (I think). > In hindsight, I understood why so many Tiger owners grab a crate > motor. > More power for about the same amount of money. > > Best Regards > David Sosna > P.S. This was around '04. > > un-cole-a at juno.com wrote: > > This is for a rebuild of the original 260. > > A stock rebuild on that engine is $2,400.00, plus any upgrade of > parts. > > I would say cam, lifters, some mild head work, stainless valves, > valve > > springs, retainers and roller rockers. > > With those you will spend $4,000.00 on the rebuild. > > Does this sound like it is in line with what other Tiger owners are > paying > for > > rebuilds? > ______________________________________________ From achd73 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 24 17:33:58 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:33:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Engine rebuild In-Reply-To: <20080124.094608.17403.1@webmail16.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8812.91374.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> List- a couple year back, Im guessing as time flys, one of our members bought a stroker engine from a shop in the south, one of the arolins I think. If memory serves the cost was about 5k but less than 6k. It mad about 400hP and Im thinking the shop also built nascar engines. The website showed their shop, the engine building rocess and had a ton of info. I promised myself I would one day have the same place build the same engine for me. One of these days hasnt arrived yet BUT Im still hoping. Meanwhile I had the website saved in my favorites and the pc crashed and my microsoft engineer nephew who lives 500 mils away has had the puter long enough to rebuild several BUT he is yong and busy and Im sure Ucle Tony will one day get his puter, meanwhile I continue to use my daughters laptop BUT at the same time I ant even guess the engine shop and now we have another member receiving high prices to rebuild a 26-- hey, he might prefer the 260, which I can understand BUt if the member of whom Im talking about would be kind enough to repost that website, then maybe two of us would be happier. Thanks ahead of time. TonytheTiger ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From JParent4 at tampabay.rr.com Thu Jan 24 17:58:42 2008 From: JParent4 at tampabay.rr.com (Jim Parent) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:58:42 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Engine rebuild In-Reply-To: <8812.91374.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c85eed$6ed87a00$6501a8c0@T60> I had a crate motor built up by Keith Kraft about 12 years ago. He does/did build oval track motors. http://www.keithcraft.com/ My engine, with his name on it, is on the top of page 92 of the October 1996 issue of "Mustangs and Fast Fords" magazine which did an article on crate motors that issue. Mine engine dyno'd at 325 lb-ft and 325 hp with a small 4bbl. What I asked for was a motor that would go for 100K miles and still make strong push. Jim ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping You are subscribed as jparent4 at tampabay.rr.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From DJoh797014 at aol.com Thu Jan 24 18:11:17 2008 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:11:17 EST Subject: [Tigers] Engine rebuild Message-ID: Hi Tony Summit list a brand new Ford Racing 5.0 with GT 40 Aluminum Heads Cratemotor for $4800. 340hp at 5500 RPM. Dav In a message dated 1/24/2008 6:34:31 P.M. Central Standard Time, achd73 at yahoo.com writes: List- a couple year back, Im guessing as time flys, one of our members bought a stroker engine from a shop in the south, one of the arolins I think. If memory serves the cost was about 5k but less than 6k. It mad about 400hP and Im thinking the shop also built nascar engines. The website showed their shop, the engine building rocess and had a ton of info. I promised myself I would one day have the same place build the same engine for me. One of these days hasnt arrived yet BUT Im still hoping. Meanwhile I had the website saved in my favorites and the pc crashed and my microsoft engineer nephew who lives 500 mils away has had the puter long enough to rebuild several BUT he is yong and busy and Im sure Ucle Tony will one day get his puter, meanwhile I continue to use my daughters laptop BUT at the same time I ant even guess the engine shop and now we have another member receiving high prices to rebuild a 26-- hey, he might prefer the 260, which I can understand BUt if the member of whom Im talking about would be kind enough to repost that website, then maybe two of us would be happier. Thanks ahead of time. TonytheTiger ______________________________________________________________________________ ______ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping You are subscribed as djoh797014 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From bobdixon at frii.com Thu Jan 24 19:20:42 2008 From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:20:42 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Engine rebuild References: <8812.91374.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001201c85ef8$e2d1f4d0$d9fc7f0a@BobsDell> That might be me. I had a 347 built by T&L engines. It dynoed at 415HP and 450Ftlbs torque on pump gas. It was a pretty sweet setup with Dart Pro1 heads, etc etc. I had do some firewall massaging to make it fit though. T&L does a great job but you may have to wait for a while. I ended up selling that Tiger and am now doing a ground up restoration on another. I'm going to build a higher-reving 289 for this one. Here is a link to T&L http://www.tandlengines.com/ Bob From bobdixon at frii.com Thu Jan 24 19:56:01 2008 From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:56:01 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger headers References: <8812.91374.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <001201c85ef8$e2d1f4d0$d9fc7f0a@BobsDell> Message-ID: <000701c85efd$d1bfbd80$d9fc7f0a@BobsDell> I'm curious if anyone knows the specifics between the CAT club headers ($417) vs. Rick's headers at SS ($255). Tube size perhaps?? Thanks, Bob From gswaybright at yahoo.com Thu Jan 24 20:21:21 2008 From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:21:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger headers In-Reply-To: <000701c85efd$d1bfbd80$d9fc7f0a@BobsDell> Message-ID: <297451.44615.qm@web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> At one point I thought the CAT club headers were S&S merged collector headers, and Rick's were not. That may not be the case now??? --- Bob Dixon wrote: > I'm curious if anyone knows the specifics between the CAT club > headers > ($417) vs. Rick's headers at SS ($255). Tube size perhaps?? > > Thanks, > Bob From fastsage at cox.net Thu Jan 24 20:49:08 2008 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:49:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Engine rebuild In-Reply-To: <8812.91374.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <8812.91374.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47995C34.6030101@cox.net> I think the engine builder you're looking for may be one of these: http://www.tandlengines.com/ http://www.enginefactory.com/ Of course there's always a Ford factory crate engine for a bit less money. Steve Sage From michael.s.king at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 20:52:18 2008 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:52:18 +1100 Subject: [Tigers] Engine rebuild In-Reply-To: <47995C34.6030101@cox.net> References: <8812.91374.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47995C34.6030101@cox.net> Message-ID: i THINK THE LOWER END 302'S ARE NOT BEING STOCKED BY FORD ANYMORE (SO I HEAR) APPARENTLY THEY ARE ONLY GOING HIGHER END MOTORS On 25/01/2008, Steve Sage wrote: > I think the engine builder you're looking for may be one of these: > > http://www.tandlengines.com/ > > http://www.enginefactory.com/ > > Of course there's always a Ford factory crate engine for a bit less money. > > Steve Sage > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as michael.s.king at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive > -- Regards Michael King From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Thu Jan 24 21:10:36 2008 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:10:36 EST Subject: [Tigers] Header paint Message-ID: Who has the best high temp header paint? thanks. LEE B382002560 **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Thu Jan 24 21:53:03 2008 From: Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:53:03 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Engine rebuild Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF088321D8@norn32.d30.intra> Tim, You can build your own stroker and the instructions to duplicate mine are on the Tigers united web site (Lunati Stroker article @ www.tigerunited.com ). I have around $4200 in it and it made around 360HP and 395 lb ft (with 15% drive train losses that gives roughly 424 HP and 465 lb ft) at the wheels under 6000 RPM at Superior Automotive in Anaheim. This was with a Hydraulic roller (No valve adjusting) and the low RPM performer intake required to get it under the hood of a Tiger (Many of the other claimed crate motors use single plane hi rise manifolds and they will not work for you and still close a hood). If I was to do it today I would use the RPM Air Gap manifold. If you want to cut the hood they you could find probably another 20HP with a high rise type manifold like a Victor or a Victor Junior. I also used the TFS twisted wedge heads I got from Theo when I was still in Canada. I did some minor porting but for the most part they were untouched. Motor is now 5 years and 10,000 miles old and I beat the liven crap out of it and not so much as cracked a valve cover :-) (touch wood), Tim, If you want the dyno chart from superior send me a note and I will email it. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak at cox.net From Carmods at aol.com Fri Jan 25 06:31:43 2008 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:31:43 EST Subject: [Tigers] Engines Message-ID: Ford no longer sells the stock short and long block crate motors, only the high performance engines. You can read or download their Racing Catalog at _http://www.1fordracing.com/fordracing/_ (http://www.1fordracing.com/fordracing/) with prices. John Logan **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) Return-path: From: Carmods at aol.com Full-name: Carmods Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:29:56 EST Subject: [Tigers] Engines To: michael.s.king at gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Ford no longer sells the stock short and long block crate motors, only the high performance engines. You can read or download their Racing Catalog at _http://www.1fordracing.com/fordracing/_ (http://www.1fordracing.com/fordracing/) with prices. John Logan **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From CMcCann at lwpb.com Fri Jan 25 07:13:34 2008 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:13:34 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Header paint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In my experience on other projects, an "HPC" ceramic or baked on coatings always performs best long term, which most people don't apply themselves. There are several finishes available and in a range of brightness vs. matte. The HPC is similar to powder, but more suited for high temp. if you have your heart set on spraying it or brushing it on yourself, I have had decent luck with header paint products from eastwood company. All sorts of good gadgets and supplies... Cullen B382001452 Subject: [Tigers] Header paint Who has the best high temp header paint? thanks. LEE B382002560 From BKSchonb at usi.edu Fri Jan 25 07:46:57 2008 From: BKSchonb at usi.edu (Schonberger, Barry K) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:46:57 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Engine Rebuild Message-ID: <5E1145C45625C2438C5A489CE16BDF7D07D43C37@emailnew.usi.edu> Paul's Automotive Engineering in Cincinnati builds Tom and my race engines and stroker engines for a number of Tiger owners in the Midwest. A recent high end 347 was 440 hp and 460 torque. Call Jerry or Paul at (513)791-1087 Barry Schonberger Team Tiger From drmayf at mayfco.com Fri Jan 25 07:49:30 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 06:49:30 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Header paint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4799F6FA.3010409@mayfco.com> Regards below: DrMoonstone (Sean) can get this done for you as well. His company has several different coatings as well. SO shoot him a message and ask directly. mayf Cullen McCann wrote: > In my experience on other projects, an "HPC" ceramic or baked on >coatings always performs best long term, which most people don't apply >themselves. There are several finishes available and in a range of >brightness vs. matte. The HPC is similar to powder, but more suited for >high temp. if you have your heart set on spraying it or brushing it on >yourself, I have had decent luck with header paint products from >eastwood company. All sorts of good gadgets and supplies... > >Cullen >B382001452 > > > > >Subject: [Tigers] Header paint > >Who has the best high temp header paint? thanks. > >LEE B382002560 >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as drmayf at mayfco.com > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive From mark.rense at ge.com Fri Jan 25 09:20:55 2008 From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:20:55 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Engine Rebuild In-Reply-To: <5E1145C45625C2438C5A489CE16BDF7D07D43C37@emailnew.usi.edu> References: <5E1145C45625C2438C5A489CE16BDF7D07D43C37@emailnew.usi.edu> Message-ID: I bought a 5-bolt 289 short block from a fellow Tiger member, then bought the Edelbrock alum Performer Plus heads, Comp Cams 262H cam, KB .030-over 9.5:1 hypereutectic pistons, rods and all the internals. I had it built by Stockman Engines through Doug Jennings. Total cost was around $4500. With stock cast headers, F4B, 500 CFM carb, dual-point distributor (with Pertronix), and 1.75" exhaust it still makes over 240 at the rear wheel at a reasonable 5200 rpm. I wanted a long-lasting, torquey engine that was manageable and was period correct. So far, with a little over 8K miles on the engine, my expectations have been met. I up-graded the brakes and suspension accordingly, the car is balanced and just a blast to drive. I also own a very original Tiger with an untouched stock powertrain. I put it on the dyno just for giggles, it made a whopping 132 HP at 4200 rpm. Much room for improvement here, although the car is a very pleasant highway cruiser. Bugz From cburruss at hiwaay.net Fri Jan 25 14:27:00 2008 From: cburruss at hiwaay.net (Jim & Carolyn Burruss) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:27:00 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Header Paint Message-ID: <002601c85f99$05c15350$2e01a8c0@retired> If you have everything apart, then by all means bite the bullet and get the headers commercially coated, especially since they are difficult to get at in the engine bay. But I made an interesting discovery years ago regarding high temperature paint. When I was preparing my competition Spitfire for a car show in the late '70s, I brushed on a coat of Rustoleum silver paint, figuring that it would not last beyond the show. But it did last. Later, when I had the engine out for a rebuild, I wirebrushed and cleaned the header thoroughly and then applied a highly touted "stainless steel" paint. That paint blistered within minutes of startup. On my rotary-powered cars, I used black stove paint in the '80s (haven't seen a Warm Morning coal stove since the '50s), but it had to be reapplied frequently. On my current one, I use Rustoleum "Hard Hat Brand" silver (color no. V2115) spray paint, and it does not burn off. It's a dull silver coating, and Rustoleum makes no high temperature claims for it. At full tilt, rotaries' exhaust temps are about 50% higher than piston engines, say 1800 degrees. The so-called high temp paints only claim to last up to 1200 degrees. (Oh, and don't braze any rotary exhaust components together. You can guess how I know.) Jim Burruss From Rollright at aol.com Fri Jan 25 15:05:27 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:05:27 EST Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 36 Message-ID: I had mine Spray-Metal sprayed with stainless steel. Dull gray color but my friend did his Tiger headers and they haven't rusted for 7 years Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 _Rollright at aol.com_ (mailto:Rollright at aol.com) In a message dated 1/25/2008 2:03:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tigers-request at autox.team.net writes: Who has the best high temp header paint? thanks. LEE B382002560 Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Fri Jan 25 15:42:41 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:42:41 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Header paint In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <479A65E1.2070304@SoCal.rr.com> Lee, The "BEST" is not a paint, but a Ceramic coating (available in many colors). Check with Sean Ford , who offers a discount to List Members. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com AAAGLASSS at aol.com wrote: > Who has the best high temp header paint? thanks. > > LEE B382002560 From achd73 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 25 17:31:00 2008 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:31:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Header Paint Re-send In-Reply-To: <002601c85f99$05c15350$2e01a8c0@retired> Message-ID: <93745.63855.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I posted this earlier but am having provider problems, so my two cents worth. Dr. Mayf is the man. Listen to his advice and have your headers coated and I think ceramic lining is also available- they will last forever and look great BUT be sure to prefit the headers or use ones that have already been on the car. Many owner will tell you about having to use a ball peen hammer etc to get clearance in every close place. I THIN that the CAT club tried to have the manufactures of the headers they sell to address that problem with each subsequent order BUT a CAT parts person would need to verify that and Rick at SS may too now have headers that fit. I think the problem is that not all Tigers are the same from mount to various points in the engine bay- perhaps from the factory or from unknown wrecks and body work an owner might have no history of- no matter if you paint or have them coated- prefitting is time well spent if you have to later beat on the new finish. TonytheTiger ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From 65tiger at comcast.net Sat Jan 26 20:29:44 2008 From: 65tiger at comcast.net (65tiger at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 03:29:44 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Engines Message-ID: <012720080329.16231.479BFAA80008537400003F6722007510900A040A040A0D070C@comcast.net> John, I could not find the crate motors at the website you pointed to. But I could find their 2008 racing catalog at this website http://www.fordracingparts.com/download/catalogs.asp They sell the long block crate motors they have always offered. I see they now offer a warranty on their parts. The crate motors start on page 84. Good selection. Curtis -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Carmods at aol.com > Ford no longer sells the stock short and long block crate motors, only the > high performance engines. You can read or download their Racing Catalog at > _http://www.1fordracing.com/fordracing/_ > (http://www.1fordracing.com/fordracing/) with prices. > > > John Logan From sganz at pacbell.net Sat Jan 26 21:25:15 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:25:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] Header paint Message-ID: <272795.48542.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have ceramic coated headers on the Mustang and after 5 years, they look brand new. The pipe back which was aluminzied steel looks rusted out. So definitly does a nice job at keeping things fresh. Also the coating usually or is supposed to coat the inside as well. More expensive then a can of paint, but definitly worth it for long lasting protection. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Steve Laifman To: AAAGLASSS at aol.com Cc: Dr. Moonstone ; tigers at Autox.Team.Net Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 2:42:41 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Header paint Lee, The "BEST" is not a paint, but a Ceramic coating (available in many colors). Check with Sean Ford , who offers a discount to List Members. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com AAAGLASSS at aol.com wrote: > Who has the best high temp header paint? thanks. > > LEE B382002560 You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From rtscolgan at yahoo.com Sat Jan 26 22:17:06 2008 From: rtscolgan at yahoo.com (Russ and Tammy C.) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 21:17:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] transmissions Message-ID: <17000.81001.qm@web50904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I am going to run a ford motor sport 345 horse in my 65........would I still be happy with the close ratio transmission or should I change it to wide ratio? Street use only. Anybody have thoughts? Thanks, Russ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Carmods at aol.com Sun Jan 27 08:26:31 2008 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 10:26:31 EST Subject: [Tigers] transmissions Message-ID: would I still be happy with the close ratio transmission or should I change it to wide ratio? Russ, I recommend you go with a wide ratio transmission and the 2.88 rear end, unless you are going to do some serious road racing. John Logan **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Sun Jan 27 13:28:10 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:28:10 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] transmissions In-Reply-To: <17000.81001.qm@web50904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <17000.81001.qm@web50904.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <479CE95A.6090404@SoCal.rr.com> Russ, I agree with John Logan. I have the "wide" (not) ratio transmission and the original 2.88 rear end. Very satisfying on street or highway, and the Salisbury version of the LAT-34 Dana. Salisbury is owned by Dana, and the Jaguar LSD mounts the original 2.88 ring gears. Use the free Excel Transmission Calculator written by Bob Hokanson, available at: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/HokansonGearSpeedXL/pt-HokansonGearSpeedXL.asp Recommeded for anybody thinking of mucking around with transmission, rear end, or tire sizes. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Russ and Tammy C. wrote: > I am going to run a ford motor sport 345 horse in my 65........would I still be happy with the close ratio transmission or should I change it to wide ratio? Street use only. Anybody have thoughts? Thanks, Russ From sganz at pacbell.net Sun Jan 27 13:38:28 2008 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:38:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Tigers] transmissions Message-ID: <286242.53876.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If your on a PC check out this one, it is very good at helping visualizing gear changes, and a nice easy to use interface. It does not have the Top Loader ratios built in, but it saves you last run so it will show again if you restart. Also does metric, and various speeds in gears. I may have posted it a while ago, not sure but here is the link for GearCalc http://www.locost7.info/gearcalc.php The close ratio boxes are more natural to drive all around except from 1st, where the 2:88's seem to hurt when moving the car off line, other then that I would not give it up as the sensation is nice. 2 Cents at this point. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Steve Laifman To: Russ and Tammy C. Cc: "Logan, John" ; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 12:28:10 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] transmissions Russ, I agree with John Logan. I have the "wide" (not) ratio transmission and the original 2.88 rear end. Very satisfying on street or highway, and the Salisbury version of the LAT-34 Dana. Salisbury is owned by Dana, and the Jaguar LSD mounts the original 2.88 ring gears. Use the free Excel Transmission Calculator written by Bob Hokanson, available at: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/HokansonGearSpeedXL/pt-HokansonGearSpeedXL.asp Recommeded for anybody thinking of mucking around with transmission, rear end, or tire sizes. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Russ and Tammy C. wrote: > I am going to run a ford motor sport 345 horse in my 65........would I still be happy with the close ratio transmission or should I change it to wide ratio? Street use only. Anybody have thoughts? Thanks, Russ You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From Drmoonstone at aol.com Sun Jan 27 17:07:32 2008 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 19:07:32 EST Subject: [Tigers] Header Paint Re-send Message-ID: Cermakrome out side and MCS 2500 degree inside gets the job done. Mooney Caps Bright Hot Coatings ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From mrlau at charter.net Sun Jan 27 20:25:25 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:25:25 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Racing wheels & tires Message-ID: <20080128032455.KQDZ17353.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> I need to get rid of 4 13X7 wheels that have Goodyear 21 X 9.5 X 13 in racing slicks. Two are new and two are half worn. They come with spacer plates. They came with the car but I have never put them on. Interested --contact me personally by Email. - Bill -- From Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Sun Jan 27 20:42:37 2008 From: Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:42:37 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Header coating Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF08864210@norn32.d30.intra> Listers, OK I had my headers coated at Caps Bright Hot in Fresno CA. This is Sean Fords Brother-in-law as I recall. He coated mine inside and outside with 2 different ceramic coatings. It is now 5 years later with no special care given and they look to me the same as when they went in except for some oil burned o to the lower side which cleaned off with the "Header Sh!t" that they provided. I can not say enough about them. Also I coated mine before fitting and had the dent mine in three places. I masking taped a ball peen hammer rounded end and then placed header on a large soft towel and then located the hammer right where I wanted the clearance and hit the ball peent with a sledge to dent it. NONE OF THE MATERIAL CAME OFF. In fact when I talked to the guys they asked if I marked the coating and I said that I had a slight mark where the tape was not thick enough on the ball peen hammer (Use three layers NOT TWO). They told me to bring them on up and they would see what they could do to take care of it. I showed up ... they literally buffed the marks out while I waiting and it has adhered perfectly ever since. Just try and do that with Jet Hot ... My buddy has it and it was quite brittle. If anyone wants to see them I am at the Ford show in Irvine most Saturdays when I am in town and suggest you check out their work. Can't sell this product hard enough ... they did a great job for me whether they give the club a break or not. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak at cox.net From Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Sun Jan 27 20:45:32 2008 From: Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:45:32 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Trans Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF08864211@norn32.d30.intra> Russ, I have a stoker motor and run the wide ratio with 2:88 and while I am happy with the performance I wish I would have waited and gone with the 5 speed option. I really do not like 4000 RPM on the 5 to keep up with freeway traffic at 75-80 MPH. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak at cox.net From MWood24020 at aol.com Sun Jan 27 21:29:59 2008 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 23:29:59 EST Subject: [Tigers] Trans Message-ID: In a message dated 1/27/2008 7:46:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com writes: I wish I would have waited and gone with the 5 speed option. That's what I'm going with...much easier, now that there is a turn key solution provided by Tom Hall. ;-) Mike Wood **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From jim at island.net Sun Jan 27 21:30:15 2008 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:30:15 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Trans In-Reply-To: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF08864211@norn32.d30.intra> Message-ID: <002c01c86166$7af2a560$0300a8c0@GatewayAMD3500> I've got a close ratio with 3.54's ...so freeway cruising is pretty much hopeless...! I DO have a recently acquired '82 AMC tailhousing that I'd like to use for a T5 swap... I've read Dan Walter's article about it on the Tiger's United site but I think the contact info is out of date...Does anyone have contact info for him...? or other info on what's required to do this swap? I was thinking of taking a 3.35 Mustang trans and putting in the z-spec 2.95 gear set to handle the torque...and a .68 fifth would give me about a 2.40 top ratio...but don't know the finer points of making it all fit... Jim 382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ronak, TP (Timothy) Sent: January 27, 2008 7:46 PM To: rtscolgan at yahoo.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Trans Russ, I have a stoker motor and run the wide ratio with 2:88 and while I am happy with the performance I wish I would have waited and gone with the 5 speed option. I really do not like 4000 RPM on the 5 to keep up with freeway traffic at 75-80 MPH. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak at cox.net You are subscribed as jim at island.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers http://www.team.net/archive From Carmods at aol.com Mon Jan 28 08:47:43 2008 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:47:43 EST Subject: [Tigers] Trans Message-ID: Hi Jim, For all around derivability I would recommend you stick with the 3.35 low ratio in your T-5. It really smoothes out the clutch engagement. However if your normal driving mode is drag racing from the lights, you will have to shift too soon. John Logan **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Mon Jan 28 12:16:00 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:16:00 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Trans "Dan Walters" In-Reply-To: <002c01c86166$7af2a560$0300a8c0@GatewayAMD3500> References: <002c01c86166$7af2a560$0300a8c0@GatewayAMD3500> Message-ID: <479E29F0.9050806@SoCal.rr.com> Jim, Per your request for Dan Walters Contact info: "Walters, Dan " Excellent choice. Steve ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Jim wrote: > I've got a close ratio with 3.54's ...so freeway cruising is pretty much > hopeless...! > > I DO have a recently acquired '82 AMC tailhousing that I'd like to use for > a T5 swap... I've read _*Dan Walter's*_ article about it on the Tiger's United > site but I think the contact info is out of date...Does anyone have contact > info for him...? or other info on what's required to do this swap? I was > thinking of taking a 3.35 Mustang trans and putting in the z-spec 2.95 gear > set to handle the torque...and a .68 fifth would give me about a 2.40 top > ratio...but don't know the finer points of making it all fit... > > Jim > 382000446 From mrlau at charter.net Mon Jan 28 21:00:25 2008 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:00:25 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] an automotive accessory for every one Message-ID: <20080129035956.YRYU14098.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> I believe this accessory might even fit in our Tigers. - Bill -- [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type video/x-ms-wmv which had a name of 4TrunkMo.wmv] From mk1a at earthlink.net Tue Jan 29 01:45:15 2008 From: mk1a at earthlink.net (Cliff Alexander) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:45:15 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Trans Message-ID: <410-22008122984515718@earthlink.net> I put Tom's 5 speed conversion behind a Ford 345HP crate motor and so far it's great. I kept the 2.88 gears and when I took it up to TU30 the engine was turning 1700 to 1800RPM while cruising around 75MPH. This is with the .63OD, the .73 OD ratio would probably be more practical for everyday use turning about 2300RPM at 75MPH. Cliff > [Original Message] > From: > To: ; > Cc: > Date: 1/27/2008 8:30:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trans > > In a message dated 1/27/2008 7:46:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com writes: > > I wish I would have waited and gone with the > 5 speed option. > > That's what I'm going with...much easier, now that there is a turn key > solution provided by Tom Hall. ;-) > > Mike Wood > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as mk1a at earthlink.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 09:43:37 2008 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:43:37 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] ADU number plate (uk people) Message-ID: <39a841b0801290843s5d6b587cy856a228ceaec0ff6@mail.gmail.com> its a long shot, i know, but if anyone in the UK owns a '65, '66 or '67 number plate starting ADU (coventry) and would be willing to sell it, please contact me. thanks. From mtjoy at telis.org Tue Jan 29 15:19:04 2008 From: mtjoy at telis.org (Mountjoy) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:19:04 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] ADU Message-ID: <001701c862c4$f5537aa0$1db90c45@computer> Owain, I believe "ADU" is Cambridge rather than Coventry as you mentioned. Until recently one could go to the local hardware store / auto bits store and order a plate. That was so easy. Then the Brits changed everything and wanted proof of ownership to the plate one was requesting. Kind of mucked things up a bit. What is it you want the British registration plate for? Are you looking for the metal plate or the vinyl adhesive plate? Are you wanting a matching pair of plates? Do the plates you get need to be of "Official British Issue"? Is this something for the garage wall or will it (they) be used on a vehicle? Yeah it's a lot of questions but depending on your responses I may be able to point you in some directions for solutions. My car has adhesive vinyl both front and rear. I had the owner of the sister car to mine get me plates before the change in policy. After some track use the car needed to be resprayed and that meant I needed more registration plates. The change in policy had occurred by then so I peeled off my originals, took them to a sign place and has them replicated. They are indistinguishable from the original, officially issued ones. In case other Listers (no pun to Brian Lister) are a little foggy on this, the UK used to have a marvelous vehicular registration system. This is back when a plate stayed with a car forever, vanity plates existed and all that. A geographic area had a set of letters as the prefix of the vehicle registration plate A suffix letter indicated the year of registration plate (ideally year of vehicle). Then there was a set of consecutive numbers indicating the order in which a vehicle was registered within a particular year. In the case of my car, "ADU 180B", the prefix "ADU" represents the area where the car was registered- Cambridge. That makes sense since Cambridge is where Lister's shop was that constructed my car. "180" indicates my car was the one hundred-eightieth car registered in the Cambridge area, and the suffix "B" indicates it was registered in the year, 1964. Tony Eckford's sister car to mine is ADU 179B, was registered at the same time, just before mine was. BTW, vintage tax discs for the year of one's vehicle (like our U.S. registration tabs) are available. Darrell ADU 180B ----Original message----- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:43:37 +0000 From: "Owain Lloyd" Subject: [Tigers] ADU number plate (uk people) To: "tiger list" Message-ID: <39a841b0801290843s5d6b587cy856a228ceaec0ff6 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 its a long shot, i know, but if anyone in the UK owns a '65, '66 or '67 number plate starting ADU (coventry) and would be willing to sell it, please contact me. thanks. From wowens at dslextreme.com Tue Jan 29 23:14:50 2008 From: wowens at dslextreme.com (Windsor Owens) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:14:50 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Works racing tigers book.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003f01c86307$6c189390$800101df@WOWENS> Just got Graham Rood's book on the Works Racing Tigers-looks great, lots of pics. Can't wait to start digging in to it tonite! Hey, anyone know if the Monte Carlo Rally footage is available on DVD? Rick used to have it but didn't last time I checked, and I saw it once on "Legends of Motorsport" back when speedvision had great programming. Any leads appreciated- Windsor From Rollright at aol.com Wed Jan 30 07:07:19 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:07:19 EST Subject: [Tigers] Oil adapter gasket Message-ID: Hello, About a half hour ago at the garage installing my fresh engine, the fellow held up the oil filter assembly and said "I need the gasket that goes between the adaptor and the block. The Rootes number is # 1236108. Can anyone point me to a link to the Rootes to Ford parts cross reference? Shed some light on a way to get one of these so I don't have to have it shipped overnight from SS in CA. Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From Carmods at aol.com Wed Jan 30 08:38:34 2008 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:38:34 EST Subject: [Tigers] Oil adapter gasket Message-ID: In a message dated 1/30/2008 9:07:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Rollright at aol.com writes: "I need the gasket that goes between the adaptor and the block. The Ford numbers for the two gaskets, one on the center bolt and one on the outside, were D1ZZ,6A636,A and EAA, 6749,A when I last bought them at a Ford dealer several years ago. John Logan **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From Douglas.Lyle at savvis.net Wed Jan 30 12:18:37 2008 From: Douglas.Lyle at savvis.net (Lyle, Douglas) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:18:37 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] gasket for oil filter Message-ID: <90D717FDD848A049BE645E2CDDC06B76D2670D@sl6exchbe1.savvis.ad.savvis.net> Jim, if you can't find these locally try Sunbeam Specialties. They should have the gasket. Their number is 408-371-1642. If my memory serves me correctly the oil filter set-up takes a small gasket on the top under the large nut and the larger one for between the block and adaptor. Good luck, Doug Lyle Message: 3 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:07:19 EST From: Rollright at aol.com Subject: [Tigers] Oil adapter gasket To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello, About a half hour ago at the garage installing my fresh engine, the fellow held up the oil filter assembly and said "I need the gasket that goes between the adaptor and the block. The Rootes number is # 1236108. Can anyone point me to a link to the Rootes to Ford parts cross reference? Shed some light on a way to get one of these so I don't have to have it shipped overnight from SS in CA. Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com ______________________________________________________________________ This message contains information which may be confidential and/or privileged. Unless you are the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the intended recipient), you may not read, use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message and any attachment(s) thereto without retaining any copies. ______________________________________________________________________ From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com Wed Jan 30 14:03:53 2008 From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:03:53 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Oil adapter gasket In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47A0E639.1060200@SoCal.rr.com> Jim, The Rootes Parts Manual, for the Tiger, list the oil filter gasket as _part_ of the packaged oil filter, Rootes part number 6100448. The corresponding Ford Part Number is C1AZ-6731-A. This can be found on the complete PDF Rootes Tiger parts list, which does NOT list the applicable Alpine parts used on the Tiger. This is the same list as the dealer's parts department used. It is available in PDF form as either the complete manual, or individual sections at: http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/FactParts.asp For practicality, this Filter is full size, not the "shorty" and a highly rated SVO Motorsports filter is FL1-A. for the original oil filter, front engine mounted. -or- I have personally changed to a Motorsports M-6880-A50 right angle adapter. For this adapter. Details are available on TigersUnited.com: http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/Dealer_Accessories/mp-FilterAdapter1.asp available from Ford Dealers or large auto parts stores carrying the Motorsports line. Steve. ___ Steve Laifman Editor - TigersUnited.com Rollright at aol.com wrote: > Hello, > > About a half hour ago at the garage installing my fresh engine, the fellow > held up the oil filter assembly and said "I need the gasket that goes between > the adaptor and the block. > > The Rootes number is # 1236108. > > Can anyone point me to a link to the Rootes to Ford parts cross reference? > > Shed some light on a way to get one of these so I don't have to have it > shipped overnight from SS in CA. > > Jim Armstrong > MK 1A 382002083 > Rollright at aol.com From Carmods at aol.com Mon Jan 28 08:47:43 2008 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:47:43 EST Subject: [Tigers] Trans Message-ID: Hi Jim, For all around derivability I would recommend you stick with the 3.35 low ratio in your T-5. It really smoothes out the clutch engagement. However if your normal driving mode is drag racing from the lights, you will have to shift too soon. John Logan **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From milano164 at comcast.net Wed Jan 30 17:37:20 2008 From: milano164 at comcast.net (Steven silverstein) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:37:20 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Period Sunbeam Race photos Message-ID: <8C9CDD7F-4701-4190-867C-69E68012E0BD@comcast.net> I thought these links to John Wilson's photos might be of interest to some of you. John Wilson is a Motorsport photographer on the west coast. Unfortunately, there were no captions so I tried to identify the drivers/cars I could; http://homepage.mac.com/johnwilson19...eam/index.html 1 - #50 Ken Miles in a Tiger 2 through 12 - #66 Art Firms. 13 - #49 possibly Roger Enade's Alpine 14 +15 - #45 Lew Spencer in the yellow Shelby Tiger 16 - #73 Tiger... not sure 17 through 22 - #55 Jim Adams in the Hollywood Sport Car Tiger 23-24 - unknown 25-34 - Ron Dykes in the Hollywood Sport Car Tiger 35 - #54 Serge May in the Series 3 36 - #14 The Bob Richman Alpine possibly driven by Jim Adams, D. Jordan or Steve Froines (or any other driver that ran the car) 37 - #44 Orange Alpine is a Sebring Alpine driven by ? (Denny Harrison? Maybe George Cheyne? BTW< this is the old Proctor/Harper Sebring car. Now owned by Andrew Martin) 38 - #184 Unkown - could this be the Hollywood Sports Car Alpine???? Windscreen sort of looks right... 39 - #66 Sereis II, "Behler". He ran the ARRC in 1968 but was suppose to race an Alfa. 40 - #66 Tommy Elliot driving the "Visalia Dodge Boy's" Alpine (this is the car I own today) 41 - #66 Tommy Elliot driving the "Visalia Dodge Boy's" Alpine 42 - #54 Serge May, #14 is the Bob Richman Alpine 43 - #54 Serge May http://homepage.mac.com/johnwilson19...ine/index.html (mostly Alpine photos here, some duplicates from the link posted above) 1 - Don Sansanac in #67 and William Rushton in #69 (I think Don's car was in Herbie the Love Bug... as a side note) 2 - #44 Orange Alpine is Denny Harrison or maybe George Cheyne 3 - #69 William Rushton 4 - #122 leading is the old 1962 Sebring Car 5 - #184 not sure... might be the old Hollywood Sports Car Alpine 6- #66 Behler at the 1968 ARRC 7 - #66 Tommy Elliot 8- #66 Tommy Elliot 9 - #66 Tommy Elliot 10 - #54 Serge May It was really kind of John to pull these Sunbeam images from his archives and post them to the internet. He sells these images, too. http://www.vintagemotorsportphotogra...ARS/Categories Hope you enjoyed them. From milano164 at comcast.net Wed Jan 30 17:55:12 2008 From: milano164 at comcast.net (Steven silverstein) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:55:12 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam period race photos Message-ID: Sorry, the links were abbreviated. These should do better. http://homepage.mac.com/johnwilson1942/sunbeam/index.html http://homepage.mac.com/johnwilson1942/alpine/index.html Steve From laurin212 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 31 09:47:19 2008 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:47:19 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam period race photos References: Message-ID: <016801c86428$f1c13660$6501a8c0@PETERHOME> will this photographer allow downloads of the pics, i would assume not, but would love to save these as my desktop, etc.? i know you cant save them from this link ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven silverstein" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 7:55 PM Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam period race photos > Sorry, the links were abbreviated. These should do better. > > http://homepage.mac.com/johnwilson1942/sunbeam/index.html > > http://homepage.mac.com/johnwilson1942/alpine/index.html > > > > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as laurin212 at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > http://www.team.net/archive From milano164 at comcast.net Thu Jan 31 10:10:16 2008 From: milano164 at comcast.net (milano164 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:10:16 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam period race photos Message-ID: <013120081710.21895.47A200F8000D3C77000055872215593414CBC0CE01020E040703@comcast.net> No, I don't think he will allow down loads but you can purchase the prints of the images. http://johnwilsonphoto.com/ Steve -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Peter Laurinaitis" > will this photographer allow downloads of the pics, i would assume not, but > would love to save these as my desktop, etc.? i know you cant save them > from this link > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steven silverstein" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 7:55 PM > Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam period race photos > > > > Sorry, the links were abbreviated. These should do better. > > > > http://homepage.mac.com/johnwilson1942/sunbeam/index.html > > > > http://homepage.mac.com/johnwilson1942/alpine/index.html > > > > > > > > > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > You are subscribed as laurin212 at yahoo.com > > > > Tigers at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > http://www.team.net/archive From Rollright at aol.com Thu Jan 31 15:03:35 2008 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:03:35 EST Subject: [Tigers] Ballast resistor Message-ID: Going to be installing the Pertronix solid state ignition. Is the ballast resistor necessary with the Pertronix ? The kit is at the shop, so I can't look at the instructions. Jim Armstrong SIM2 USA **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Thu Jan 31 15:12:09 2008 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:12:09 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam period race photos In-Reply-To: <013120081710.21895.47A200F8000D3C77000055872215593414CBC0CE01020E040703@comcast.net> References: <013120081710.21895.47A200F8000D3C77000055872215593414CBC0CE01020E040703@comcast.net> Message-ID: For a nice desktop picture...I like img1511..slide #5 of 61, the driver of the #41 (or 91?) car "flipping the bird" to the Sunbeam! Paul > From: milano164 at comcast.net> To: laurin212 at yahoo.com; tigers at autox.team.net> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:10:16 +0000> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam period race photos> > No, I don't think he will allow down loads but you can purchase the prints of the images.> > http://johnwilsonphoto.com/> > Steve> > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Peter Laurinaitis" > > > will this photographer allow downloads of the pics, i would assume not, but > > would love to save these as my desktop, etc.? i know you cant save them > > from this link > > _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Jan 31 15:24:55 2008 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:24:55 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Ballast resistor Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D15760A0E8@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> It depends on the coil you use with it. If your coil is designed to operate at 12 volts then no ballast is required. Otherwise you should use a ballast resistor. I'm pretty sure that the Ignitor (the original Pertronix product) can drive 12 volt coils, and I'm completely sure that the Ignitor II can do so. The use of a 12 volt coil (all other things being the same) does not automatically require the use of a large high-energy style distributor cap, although that's good insurance against arcing in the cap. Make sure your plug wires and plugs are in good shape and the plugs are gapped to a reasonable value, and that the electrodes are clean and square, and that the plug wires are routed such that the adjacent leads (in firing order) are not adjacent in the loom. If you give your ignition system a chance to start arcing then the resulting carbon tracks create a self-perpetuating problem. Theo From MWood24020 at aol.com Thu Jan 31 15:28:32 2008 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:28:32 EST Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam period race photos Message-ID: In a message dated 1/31/2008 2:24:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, prbreuhan at hotmail.com writes: For a nice desktop picture...I like img1511..slide #5 of 61, the driver of the #41 (or 91?) car "flipping the bird" to the Sunbeam! >From the angle of his hand, it looks like he is just giving the Tiger a "point by", to indicate that he is leaving the inside open to facilitate passing...the Porsche is pretty far off line, so that would be my guess...although, your story is more entertaining! Mike **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From wseay at embarqmail.com Thu Jan 31 16:20:02 2008 From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:20:02 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Ballast resistor References: Message-ID: <001001c8645f$d037fce0$0201a8c0@xpseay> You don't need the ballast resistor with the Pertronix unit. Pertronix recommends that the resistor be bypassed. Will - B382001570 ____________________________ Will Seay wseay at embarqmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 5:03 PM Subject: [Tigers] Ballast resistor Going to be installing the Pertronix solid state ignition. Is the ballast resistor necessary with the Pertronix ? The kit is at the shop, so I can't look at the instructions. Jim Armstrong SIM2 USA From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Jan 31 18:22:21 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:22:21 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam period race photos In-Reply-To: References: <013120081710.21895.47A200F8000D3C77000055872215593414CBC0CE01020E040703@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47A2744D.3040204@mayfco.com> I agree with you, lol. I zoomed in on the picture and he is definitely giving him the middle finger! Maybe he had to pass on the outside, coming into the corner and he was pissed that the tiger did not allow him to pass on the inside? mayf Paul R. Breuhan wrote: >For a nice desktop picture...I like img1511..slide #5 of 61, the driver of the >#41 (or 91?) car "flipping the bird" to the Sunbeam! > >Paul > > > >>From: milano164 at comcast.net> To: laurin212 at yahoo.com; tigers at autox.team.net> >> >> >Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:10:16 +0000> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunbeam period >race photos> > No, I don't think he will allow down loads but you can purchase >the prints of the images.> > http://johnwilsonphoto.com/> > Steve> > >-------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Peter Laurinaitis" > > > > will this photographer allow downloads of the >pics, i would assume not, but > > would love to save these as my desktop, >etc.? i know you cant save them > > from this link > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your >"fix". >http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx >_______________________________________________ >Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > >You are subscribed as drmayf at mayfco.com > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > >http://www.team.net/archive From MWood24020 at aol.com Thu Jan 31 18:30:10 2008 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:30:10 EST Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam period race photos Message-ID: In a message dated 1/31/2008 5:23:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, drmayf at mayfco.com writes: I agree with you, lol. I zoomed in on the picture and he is definitely giving him the middle finger! Maybe he had to pass on the outside, coming into the corner and he was pissed that the tiger did not allow him to pass on the inside? That does make more sense than what I suggested...the Porsche would be much, much quicker than the Sunbeam and I could see him in pursuit of the other Porsche and getting blocked on turn in and being pissed! Guess I need to have the old eyes examined... :-) Well, in any case, those are some great pictures! Mike **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Jan 31 18:59:18 2008 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:59:18 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam period race photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47A27CF6.80300@mayfco.com> Yes they are great photos! It was #55 in Santa Barbara at the airport (actually Goleta), that was the impetus for me to get my car! That sucker was romping and stomping just about everything there that day. Incidentally that was teh same day that Honda introduced their 4 cylinder race bikes. They had 2 versions, a 250 cc and a 125 cc. Japanese riders. They made the smaller 125 start after the bigger bikes and within a few laps they had all bu caught up with their team 250 bikes well out in the lead. Was told that they could turn 20,000 rpm with no problems (true? or not...) but they sounded like a bucket of very angry bees when they went by.. mayf MWood24020 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/31/2008 5:23:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > drmayf at mayfco.com writes: > > I agree with you, lol. I zoomed in on the picture and he is > definitely > giving him the middle finger! Maybe he had to pass on the outside, > coming into the corner and he was pissed that the tiger did not allow > him to pass on the inside? > > That does make more sense than what I suggested...the Porsche would be > much, much quicker than the Sunbeam and I could see him in pursuit of > the other Porsche and getting blocked on turn in and being pissed! > > Guess I need to have the old eyes examined... :-) > > Well, in any case, those are some great pictures! > > Mike > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape > > in the new year. From MWood24020 at aol.com Thu Jan 31 19:47:13 2008 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:47:13 EST Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam period race photos Message-ID: In a message dated 1/31/2008 5:59:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, drmayf at mayfco.com writes: Yes they are great photos! It was #55 in Santa Barbara at the airport (actually Goleta), that was the impetus for me to get my car! That sucker was romping and stomping just about everything there that day. Incidentally that was teh same day that Honda introduced their 4 cylinder race bikes. They had 2 versions, a 250 cc and a 125 cc. Japanese riders. They made the smaller 125 start after the bigger bikes and within a few laps they had all bu caught up with their team 250 bikes well out in the lead. Was told that they could turn 20,000 rpm with no problems (true? or not...) but they sounded like a bucket of very angry bees when they went by.. I didn't realize that with a "right click", you could zoom in on the pictures...makes them even better and makes it obvious that you guys had it right, 904 driver giving the one finger salute! The #55 is THE Tiger, as far as I'm concerned. Outside of the rally cars, it was really the only race Tiger that got it done in a competitive class...Doane Spencer was a real genius. If I'm not mistaken, in 1966 the Honda 125 GP bike was a 5 cylinder. I could, once again, be wrong ;-) Anyhow, I believe 20,000rpm was real and that they also had 7 or 8 speed transmissions, to keep them in the very narrow powerband, up top. They also did some six cylinder GP bikes, back in the day, I think... I may have to order a couple of those photos in B&W prints...they'd look great in the office. Mike **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From mtjoy at telis.org Thu Jan 31 17:24:43 2008 From: mtjoy at telis.org (Mountjoy) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:24:43 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] Owain Lloyd and ADU References: <4F293BF3-1B97-4CAE-A8D5-240C90010D20@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <00ff01c86468$d79e95d0$1db90c45@computer> I have to thank Owain for enlightening me on British registration plates. What a wealth of knowledge ! The information I previously had was sketchy and some of it inaccurate. Thanks to Owain I now have a better and more accurate understanding. That's what I love about this list ! I don't know how much of this was posted to the list from Owain but the following is what I'm taking away from Owain's input. Thanks ! Darrell Condensed from Owain's emails: "...adding some colo(u)r to the history: "all cars in the uk always have and still do have registration for life and there are not and never have been any vanity plates. however, you can transfer a registration from one vehicle to another and you can buy unassigned registrations from DVLA at auction. this is why cool plates are so crazily expensive. "originally plates are short and simple like "A 1" or "OIL 10" just because there were so few cars in the country. these plates are still valid and are worth a fortune. then some time in i think the late '30s plate followed the pattern of XXX 123 and 123 XXX where 123 was any number from 1 to 999. (except 666 - they were reissued more recently). the last two XX's represented the region of registration as until recently. in 1963 they added an 'A' to the end of the numbers and all plates were of the form XXX 123A where A meant 1963 (actually the years ran from august to august). each year they incremented the letter at the end (skipping Q reserved for kit cars and I because it looks like a 1 and U and Z and maybe a couple more). after Y in 1982, they moved the letter to the beginning and had A123 XXX and kept going up to Y again. "at this point, in 2001, they started a new format and changed the year indicator twice a year. the new format is XX51 YYY where XX is a new region identifier, 5 means registration was in the second half of the year, 0 means the first half. 1 means 2001 and YYY is a random triplet of letters. "DVLA try not to issue any rude words but a few (plenty actually) such as PEN 1S slipped through. "when you register a car, they give you the number and you have to go and get number plates made in an auto store. as mountjoy pointed out this is harder now because you (usually) need to show the document. "so there you are ... a brief history of UK number plates. "incidentally, the law change here for showing entitlement to gain physical plates is only for 'road use' plates not 'show' plates which are actually identical so its a meaningless law. see http://www.classic-number-plate.com/ - you can order any plate you like from there to replace your damaged ones. either stick on or pressed metal... "as far as origin is concerned (with "ADU", for example), the A is meaningless. the second two letters (in this case DU) were used to specify the region where the car was first registered. DU was coventry. cambridge was ER. (see http://www.right-reg.co.uk/number_plates/issued ) "cambridge was actually all of: ER, AV, VA, CE, JE and EB. i think some of the rootes cars had ER and EB which may be the source of your confusion. "coventry had a ton of assignments due to all the cars made there (many new cars were/are sold already registered). "all this changed when we switched to the new style plates after running out of letters at the end, and running out again with them at the beginning. "the lore of number plates its pretty much all common knowledge if you grow up a car buff in england :)..." Graham Vickery, STOC principal, has published a couple of editorials in STOC's newsletter, "Cats Whiskers", that deal with Tiger registration in the UK and the DVLA (the equivalent of the Dept. of Motor Vehicles in the US). He lists the DVLA as having a Vehicle Enquiry facility at: http://www.vehiclelicense.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/ where one can check some records of a UK Tiger. ---------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "handy" To: "Mountjoy" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 4:58 PM Subject: ADU > Hi Darrell, > > I bought these plates for my MK 1a. Could you please enlighten me? I > would appreciate it. > > Thanks for your time, > > Ross > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > IMG_0002.JPG