From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Mon Dec  1 11:12:37 2008
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:12:37 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] FW: YOUR TIRES ~~ DRIVERS...PLEASE WATCH THIS...VERY
	IMPORTANT
Message-ID: <431A0A0AB44948FDBE8C2F872E191E37@jerry>

Tiger list;

 

 Here is something we all should be aware of.

 

I'm sending another e-mail I received today from a friend to drive home the
point.

 

Jerry Christopherson

 

  _____  

From: Robert Owens [mailto:rowensjr at tyler.net] 
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:19 AM
To: Roz Williams; Rod Reed; Rick & Susan Thompson; Phil Smith; Alan Ferry;
Michael Mundt; Les Jeffcoat; Alex Mc Commas; Kristn Owens; Kevin Halbert;
Jimmie Horton; Jerry Christopherson; Randy Womble; Jim Muckleroy;
EJSILER at aol.com; Dan Hardiman; Danny Alexander; Corr, Curtis {PEP}; Craig
Chesley; Eddy Franks; John Pritchard
Subject: Fw: YOUR TIRES ~~ DRIVERS...PLEASE WATCH THIS...VERY IMPORTANT

 

Somebody told me to check these dates on "slicks" for their tread life
(hardness), but never thought of safety on regular tires.

 

Something to look at . . . .

 

Robert

 

 

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Keith Clopton <mailto:kclopton at helixesg.com>  

To: Joe Mills <mailto:joe.mills at net-lp.com>  ; Joy
<mailto:jfilkins at murexpetroleum.com>  Filkins ; Robert
<mailto:rowensjr at tyler.net>  Owens ; Race <mailto:Addington608 at aol.com>
Addington ; Richard <mailto:rmyers at helixesg.com>  Myers ; Ray
<mailto:rdickey at helixesg.com>  Dickey ; Jeff <mailto:jvass at helixesg.com>
Vass ; Cameron Clopton <mailto:caclopton at neo.tamu.edu>  ; Roth,
<mailto:christopher.roth at bp.com>  Christopher F ; Steve Frantz
<mailto:sfrantz at helixesg.com>  ; Gail Williams <mailto:gailwilmz at yahoo.com>
; Julie <mailto:jwalker at helixesg.com>  Walker ; Louis
<mailto:lchemin at helixesg.com>  Chemin ; Luis Hidalgo
<mailto:lhidalgo at legacyfordtx.com>  ; Larry <mailto:lrobinson at helixesg.com>
Robinson ; Robby Clopton <mailto:Robby.Clopton at hopelumber.com>  ; Wendy
<mailto:wbraddock at helixesg.com>  Braddock ; Mandy Phythian
<mailto:mphythian at helixesg.com>  ; Chuck Jones <mailto:cjones at helixesg.com>


Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:55 AM

Subject: FW: YOUR TIRES ~~ DRIVERS...PLEASE WATCH THIS...VERY IMPORTANT

 

FYI

  

  

YOUR TIRES~~ DRIVERS...PLEASE WATCH THIS...VERY IMPORTANT 

PLEASE SEND THIS OUT TO ALL THAT YOU CAN. I NEVER KNEW THIS ABOUT TIRES BUT
JUST THIS ONE E-MAIL COULD SAVE SOMEONE'S LIFE. PLEASE, PLEASE, RESEND THIS.
Click below:

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4826897
<http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4826897&affil=wfaa> &affil=wfaa 

 

 

 

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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Mon Dec  1 11:23:33 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:23:33 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] FW: YOUR TIRES ~~ DRIVERS...PLEASE WATCH THIS...VERY
 IMPORTANT
In-Reply-To: <431A0A0AB44948FDBE8C2F872E191E37@jerry>
References: <431A0A0AB44948FDBE8C2F872E191E37@jerry>
Message-ID: <39a841b0812011023n3e14cdd8s89afd5a294762f5b@mail.gmail.com>

i ordered new tires this morning.  i'll be sure to check them before
signing for them in the morning.

i took the car out for a little test morning as part of my on going
brake saga (will update the list later when that's all finally
resolved) and found I could light up both rear tires in 4th gear at
20mph.  could also lock up both front tires with ease.  ok, the road
was damp, but even so....
i choose the Toyo R888 road legal track tire in 225/45R16 size all round.

looking forward to this new rubber ripping my subframe out and bending
my half shafts!

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Jerry <JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net> wrote:
> Tiger list;
>
>
>
>  Here is something we all should be aware of.
>
>
>
> I'm sending another e-mail I received today from a friend to drive home the
> point.
>
>
>
> Jerry Christopherson
>
>
>
>  _____
>
> From: Robert Owens [mailto:rowensjr at tyler.net]
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:19 AM
> To: Roz Williams; Rod Reed; Rick & Susan Thompson; Phil Smith; Alan Ferry;
> Michael Mundt; Les Jeffcoat; Alex Mc Commas; Kristn Owens; Kevin Halbert;
> Jimmie Horton; Jerry Christopherson; Randy Womble; Jim Muckleroy;
> EJSILER at aol.com; Dan Hardiman; Danny Alexander; Corr, Curtis {PEP}; Craig
> Chesley; Eddy Franks; John Pritchard
> Subject: Fw: YOUR TIRES ~~ DRIVERS...PLEASE WATCH THIS...VERY IMPORTANT
>
>
>
> Somebody told me to check these dates on "slicks" for their tread life
> (hardness), but never thought of safety on regular tires.
>
>
>
> Something to look at . . . .
>
>
>
> Robert
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Keith Clopton <mailto:kclopton at helixesg.com>
>
> To: Joe Mills <mailto:joe.mills at net-lp.com>  ; Joy
> <mailto:jfilkins at murexpetroleum.com>  Filkins ; Robert
> <mailto:rowensjr at tyler.net>  Owens ; Race <mailto:Addington608 at aol.com>
> Addington ; Richard <mailto:rmyers at helixesg.com>  Myers ; Ray
> <mailto:rdickey at helixesg.com>  Dickey ; Jeff <mailto:jvass at helixesg.com>
> Vass ; Cameron Clopton <mailto:caclopton at neo.tamu.edu>  ; Roth,
> <mailto:christopher.roth at bp.com>  Christopher F ; Steve Frantz
> <mailto:sfrantz at helixesg.com>  ; Gail Williams <mailto:gailwilmz at yahoo.com>
> ; Julie <mailto:jwalker at helixesg.com>  Walker ; Louis
> <mailto:lchemin at helixesg.com>  Chemin ; Luis Hidalgo
> <mailto:lhidalgo at legacyfordtx.com>  ; Larry <mailto:lrobinson at helixesg.com>
> Robinson ; Robby Clopton <mailto:Robby.Clopton at hopelumber.com>  ; Wendy
> <mailto:wbraddock at helixesg.com>  Braddock ; Mandy Phythian
> <mailto:mphythian at helixesg.com>  ; Chuck Jones <mailto:cjones at helixesg.com>
>
>
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:55 AM
>
> Subject: FW: YOUR TIRES ~~ DRIVERS...PLEASE WATCH THIS...VERY IMPORTANT
>
>
>
> FYI
>
>
>
>
>
> YOUR TIRES~~ DRIVERS...PLEASE WATCH THIS...VERY IMPORTANT
>
> PLEASE SEND THIS OUT TO ALL THAT YOU CAN. I NEVER KNEW THIS ABOUT TIRES BUT
> JUST THIS ONE E-MAIL COULD SAVE SOMEONE'S LIFE. PLEASE, PLEASE, RESEND THIS.
> Click below:
>
>
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4826897
> <http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4826897&affil=wfaa> &affil=wfaa
>
>
>
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From Cushcom1 at aol.com  Mon Dec  1 11:36:14 2008
From: Cushcom1 at aol.com (Cushcom1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:36:14 EST
Subject: [Tigers] TIRE NEEDED
Message-ID: <cbd.3312597b.3665889e@aol.com>

Listers, I am in need of a PERIOD CORRECT ORIGINAL SIZE tire for my  just 
completed restoration of a 1966 Tiger MK1a. It is for display purposes only  as a 
spare, so it must look presentable, but it will never be called into  "active 
duty". Please get back to me with contact info or if you have what I  need, 
give me a price and we can arrange shipping.
 
Many thanks from....
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Dec  1 11:48:45 2008
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:48:45 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] TIRE NEEDED
References: <cbd.3312597b.3665889e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F4DC@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

Hi Jeff,
You could try Coker Tire. New rubber made in period-correct molds. It
looks like they picked up a Vredestein line of radials recently, and
their 155R13 or 165R13 would be pretty close... I don't know if those
were available in the 60's but it wouldn't be far off.
https://store.coker.com/600-13-b.f.goodrich-1-ww.html

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cushcom1 at aol.com
> Sent: December 1, 2008 11:36 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] TIRE NEEDED
>
> Listers, I am in need of a PERIOD CORRECT ORIGINAL SIZE tire
> for my  just completed restoration of a 1966 Tiger MK1a. It
> is for display purposes only  as a spare, so it must look
> presentable, but it will never be called into  "active duty".
> Please get back to me with contact info or if you have what I
>  need, give me a price and we can arrange shipping.
>
> Many thanks from....
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Dec  1 12:42:09 2008
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:42:09 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] FW: YOUR TIRES ~~ DRIVERS...PLEASE WATCH THIS...VERY
 IMPORTANT
References: <431A0A0AB44948FDBE8C2F872E191E37@jerry>
	<39a841b0812011023n3e14cdd8s89afd5a294762f5b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F4DE@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

The tire store I go to (KAL tire - a western Canada based chain) is
pretty forward about evangelizing the 6-years-and-it's-toast message to
its customers. Some people might interpret this as them trying to boost
sales of tires, and that's unfortunate. I think the biggest danger
probably comes from tire departments at major retailers where the prime
business is not tires and therefore the level of education on the part
of the sales and installation staff is not adequate.

The tone of the 20/20 article was pretty alarmist. I'm sure that was
done on purpose, but it also puts the tire industry and their lawyers in
a position where they won't say anything concrete for fear of sparking a
class action lawsuit. The tests shown in the video were on SUVs - but a
tire issue is a much bigger problem for a large ill-handling truckster
than it is for a smaller sedan. There was no indication given as to the
driving skill or training on the part of the driver(s) involved in any
of these incidents. There was no mention of the mechanical condition
(shocks, suspension bushings) of any of the affected vehicles.  It's
true that the tire failure was likely the first cause of the crash, but
it's the whole package that determines what happens afterward. They
could just as easily have had the tire skewered by a chunk of rebar and
had the same result.

Theo

From sganz at pacbell.net  Mon Dec  1 12:48:15 2008
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:48:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] FW: YOUR TIRES ~~ DRIVERS...PLEASE WATCH THIS...VERY
 IMPORTANT
Message-ID: <663875.53154.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I would agree Theo, hyped up a bit and more stuff to keep TV exciting on
20/20. Off to go change my tires now ;-)

Sandy



----- Original Message ----
From: "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
To: TIGERS at autox.team.net
Sent:
Monday, December 1, 2008 11:42:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] FW: YOUR TIRES ~~
DRIVERS...PLEASE WATCH THIS...VERY IMPORTANT

The tire store I go to (KAL tire
- a western Canada based chain) is
pretty forward about evangelizing the
6-years-and-it's-toast message to
its customers. Some people might interpret
this as them trying to boost
sales of tires, and that's unfortunate. I think
the biggest danger
probably comes from tire departments at major retailers
where the prime
business is not tires and therefore the level of education on
the part
of the sales and installation staff is not adequate.

The tone of the
20/20 article was pretty alarmist. I'm sure that was
done on purpose, but it
also puts the tire industry and their lawyers in
a position where they won't
say anything concrete for fear of sparking a
class action lawsuit. The tests
shown in the video were on SUVs - but a
tire issue is a much bigger problem
for a large ill-handling truckster
than it is for a smaller sedan. There was
no indication given as to the
driving skill or training on the part of the
driver(s) involved in any
of these incidents. There was no mention of the
mechanical condition
(shocks, suspension bushings) of any of the affected
vehicles.  It's
true that the tire failure was likely the first cause of the
crash, but
it's the whole package that determines what happens afterward. They
could just as easily have had the tire skewered by a chunk of rebar and
had
the same result.

Theo
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Dec  1 12:58:59 2008
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:58:59 EST
Subject: [Tigers] FW: YOUR TIRES ~~ DRIVERS...PLEASE WATCH THIS...VERY
 IMPORTANT
Message-ID: <c51.3feaf6e3.36659c03@aol.com>

But, if you're in the know why accept 2-3 year old tires?  Go  elsewhere and 
get fresh ones for the same price and hope that someone not in the  know 
doesn't get killed on the dried up versions.
Mark
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From MWood24020 at aol.com  Mon Dec  1 13:04:25 2008
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:04:25 EST
Subject: [Tigers] FW: YOUR TIRES ~~ DRIVERS...PLEASE WATCH THIS...VERY
 IMPORTANT
Message-ID: <d4f.41afb572.36659d49@aol.com>

In a message dated 12/1/2008 11:59:49 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
CoolVT at aol.com writes:

But, if  you're in the know why accept 2-3 year old tires?  Go  elsewhere and 
 
get fresh ones for the same price and hope that someone not in the   know 
doesn't get killed on the dried up versions


 
 
This is an interesting subject and one we (autocrossers) talk about  
frequently. So much of the condition of a 2-3 year old tire is dependent on how  it 
has been stored that it is really not possible to make a blanket statement.  It 
the tire has been bagged and stored in a climate controlled environment, you  
will not be able to measure any difference in performance. On the other hand, 
if  the tire has been subjected to freezing/heat cycles, it won't perform as 
well  and will also wear quicker. Outside of tires with dry rot and sidewall 
cracking,  I believe it is really more a matter of comparative performance than 
getting  "killed on dried up versions".
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Dec  1 13:21:16 2008
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:21:16 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] FW: YOUR TIRES ~~ DRIVERS...PLEASE WATCH THIS...VERY
 IMPORTANT
References: <c51.3feaf6e3.36659c03@aol.com>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F4E0@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

If I was a tire store owner and concerned both about my customers'
safety and about keeping my profit margin in the black, I'd train my
staff as follows:

1. When receiving tires from the wholesaler or manufacturer, make sure
they're not shipping you old date codes - let's say nothing more than
one year old. Some manufacturers make only one or two batches of tires
in certain compounds per year, so you could easily get the 'latest' that
the manufacturer has on hand and still have it be up to a year old.
2. When mounting tires on a customer's car, make sure they're all from
the same original lot, and make sure they're from the oldest stock you
have in the store, provided that the tires are still not more than two
years old. That way you get the old tires out on the road, and at the
same time make sure that no one is getting tires that will expire from
age before they've also accumulated a decent amount of tread wear.
3. Keep the minimum of stock on hand so that all your inventory turns
over within 12 months at the most. This would include just not stocking
certain oddball tire sizes.

When I go get tires for my vehicles, the tire store typically has to get
them delivered from the Calgary area warehouse, which implies that they
are practicing rule #3 to some extent at least. That warehouse services
about a dozen stores in the area.
At lunch I checked the date code on one of my Echo's tires. It was 4606,
and I got them in August 07. So the tires were nine months old when they
were mounted. I'm okay with that. I've never asked to inspect new tires
for date codes before they got mounted - but I've never really worried
about the tire shop I've been using either.

If I mail-ordered some tires then you can be sure I'd return them if
they were over a certain age.

Theo


________________________________

	From: CoolVT at aol.com [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com]
	Sent: December 1, 2008 12:59 PM
	To: sganz at pacbell.net; Smit, Theo; TIGERS at autox.team.net
	Subject: Re: [Tigers] FW: YOUR TIRES ~~ DRIVERS...PLEASE WATCH
THIS...VERY IMPORTANT



	But, if you're in the know why accept 2-3 year old tires?  Go
elsewhere and get fresh ones for the same price and hope that someone
not in the know doesn't get killed on the dried up versions.
	Mark




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From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Dec  1 14:15:51 2008
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:15:51 EST
Subject: [Tigers] FW: YOUR TIRES ~~ DRIVERS...PLEASE WATCH THIS...VERY
 IMPORTANT
Message-ID: <ccd.48d7bd10.3665ae07@aol.com>

I did check mine when I got them from Tire Rack this summer. They  were 6 
months old.
M
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Dec  1 14:32:18 2008
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:32:18 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] FW: YOUR TIRES ~~ DRIVERS...PLEASE WATCH THIS...VERY
 IMPORTANT
In-Reply-To: <ccd.48d7bd10.3665ae07@aol.com>
Message-ID: <760A357DABD24A1A83C9CF34DBB53607@ronpc1>

	This is one of those subjects that we all need to be aware of and
understand for safety sake.
It is always a good idea to check all your tires for sidewall and inner
tread cracks every year.
I'm not sure that age is a total indicator of the condition of tires but it
is one of the factors.
It is also my understanding that tires fresh out of the molds need to age
for a give amount of time before distribution.

Tire Rack has some good information on their web site; here are some of
them.

Tire Age:
	There is a date code molded into every tire and you should know how
to read the code.
Please note that most tire shop will not guarantee tires longer than 5
years.   Additionally as tires age the rubber tends to crack.    Sidewall
surface cracks are generally OK but deeper cracks in the sidewall or the
tread can be BAD.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=11&currentpage=1
Date code

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=138&currentpage=3
5
Tire ageing

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=30&currentpage=19
Sidewall cracking

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 4:16 PM
To: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com; sganz at pacbell.net; TIGERS at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] FW: YOUR TIRES ~~ DRIVERS...PLEASE WATCH THIS...VERY
IMPORTANT


I did check mine when I got them from Tire Rack this summer. They  were 6
months old.
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From zymmer4 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  1 14:34:27 2008
From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:34:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] FW: YOUR TIRES ~~ DRIVERS...PLEASE WATCH THIS...VERY
 IMPORTANT
In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F4DE@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <199276.21835.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

hi all,
      Regardless of the cause of the tire failure, if it happens at speed, on
poor roads, etc. it can be a real thrill.  I have been reading my tire codes
for several years and have found that Big O and others Do have outdated tires
on the shelf, just waiting to unload them on unsuspecting buyers.  The message
is well founded in the fact that it will help us help ourselves to safer,
newer tires for all of our rolling stock.
Howard

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--- On Mon, 12/1/08, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:

From: Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] FW: YOUR TIRES ~~ DRIVERS...PLEASE WATCH THIS...VERY
IMPORTANT
To: TIGERS at autox.team.net
Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 2:42 PM

The tire store I go to (KAL tire - a western Canada based chain) is
pretty forward about evangelizing the 6-years-and-it's-toast message to
its customers. Some people might interpret this as them trying to boost
sales of tires, and that's unfortunate. I think the biggest danger
probably comes from tire departments at major retailers where the prime
business is not tires and therefore the level of education on the part
of the sales and installation staff is not adequate.

The tone of the 20/20 article was pretty alarmist. I'm sure that was
done on purpose, but it also puts the tire industry and their lawyers in
a position where they won't say anything concrete for fear of sparking a
class action lawsuit. The tests shown in the video were on SUVs - but a
tire issue is a much bigger problem for a large ill-handling truckster
than it is for a smaller sedan. There was no indication given as to the
driving skill or training on the part of the driver(s) involved in any
of these incidents. There was no mention of the mechanical condition
(shocks, suspension bushings) of any of the affected vehicles.  It's
true that the tire failure was likely the first cause of the crash, but
it's the whole package that determines what happens afterward. They
could just as easily have had the tire skewered by a chunk of rebar and
had the same result.

Theo
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From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Mon Dec  1 17:00:16 2008
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:00:16 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] FW: YOUR TIRES ~~ DRIVERS...PLEASE WATCH THIS...VERY
 IMPORTANT
In-Reply-To: <199276.21835.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20081202000017.6SC0I.116540.root@cdptpa-web13-z02>

My tires are 1998 vintage with lots of tread. The PO said he only drove about 1k miles a year. Looks very possible that was the truth. I've seen this tire date material before and intended to buy a new set after the first of the year anyway.
Until then I'm not going to worry much about leaving some rubber on the road with quick starts.

When I order the new tires I'll mention to the store manager that I am aware of the date codes and won't accept a set already more than a year old. 

http://www.aa1car.com/library/tire_expire.htm

From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Mon Dec  1 17:28:28 2008
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:28:28 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tires blowing out
Message-ID: <1A4844DDFD074A0A96F4EC249715A316@jerry>

List;

 

Speaking of tires.

 

When I was at SEMA a few weeks ago I saw some new innovations that caught my
eye, one in particular came from China.

 

It's called "TBSS" that stands for Tire Blowout Safety System. 

 

What it does is prevents the car from taking off in one direction or another
when the system detects a tire blowout. Unfortunately they probably won't
work on our Tigers,

 

It works on the power steering system either rack-and-pinion or the
recirculating ball types. When a blowout happens a sensor in the wheel
triggers the system whereby

 

the steering locks up (I know that sounds scary, stay with me) so that no
outside forces can turn the wheels, you  however, still have complete
control of your steering

 

and are able to pull off the road in complete control.

 

Fantastic idea.

 

They have 13 patents world wide so far. It was hard to ask a lot of
questions because the engineer didn't speak any English, he had a young lady
that could speak

 

some English so was able to ask only basic questions. They had a
demonstration set up to show the idea; it was a front end of a car (two
wheels and rack-and-pinion

 

and steering wheel). Normally you can grab the tire and turn it and the
steering wheel will turn (ever bump into a curb and the steering wheel wants
to turn) when she

 

triggered the system simulating a blowout you could not turn the tire, but
the steering wheel would allow you to turn all you wanted to. Slick!

 

She gave me a DVD demo that shows some of the testing and info they have
done.

 

I have no doubt that this will start showing up on some of the high-end cars
soon.

 

They have a website www.himile.com <http://www.himile.com/>  it takes some
searching around (and in English), but there is some info about it. Just
keep looking for "TBSS".

 

Jerry Christopherson

9473187

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Dec  1 23:11:52 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:11:52 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Production Data
Message-ID: <4934D1A8.2040905@mayfco.com>

The racing organizaion for the salt flats is gonna start requiring 
production run data for race cars based on producion vehicles. Do any of 
you all know where I can find that data for a Series V Alpine? I have 
the vin and sal numbers if that helps.

mayf

From sganz at pacbell.net  Mon Dec  1 23:17:43 2008
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:17:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Production Data
Message-ID: <145621.30132.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

What about hitting up one of the Alpine Clubs? I think I have seen a few, I'm
sure someone has some info on them.

Sandy



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Sent: Monday,
December 1, 2008 10:11:52 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Production Data

The racing
organizaion for the salt flats is gonna start requiring 
production run data
for race cars based on producion vehicles. Do any of 
you all know where I can
find that data for a Series V Alpine? I have 
the vin and sal numbers if that
helps.

mayf
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From Carmods at aol.com  Tue Dec  2 07:18:29 2008
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:18:29 EST
Subject: [Tigers] OLD TIRES
Message-ID: <d1e.3a182da7.36669db5@aol.com>

About three years ago I bought new rear tires for my Tiger from  Coker.
After I had them mounted, I looked at the date and they were over seven  
years old.
I guess that is their business, selling old tires.
 
John Logan
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Dec  2 09:48:56 2008
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:48:56 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Production Data
In-Reply-To: <4934D1A8.2040905@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <33B934FC63794E3FA7B2B68885CD163E@ronpc1>

Mayf
	SS catalog lists SV @ 19122 produced.
Also see

http://www.team.net/www/rootes/sunbeam/alpine/mk1-5/buyersgd.html

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of drmayf
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 1:12 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net; Alpines
Subject: [Tigers] Production Data


The racing organizaion for the salt flats is gonna start requiring 
production run data for race cars based on producion vehicles. Do any of 
you all know where I can find that data for a Series V Alpine? I have 
the vin and sal numbers if that helps.

mayf
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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Tue Dec  2 14:29:31 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:29:31 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Interesting Shelby 428 Mustang
In-Reply-To: <d07.4584b0b9.36630ada@aol.com>
References: <d07.4584b0b9.36630ada@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4935A8BB.7060302@SoCal.rr.com>

Well,

It isn't the Green Hornet, or Black Beauty.  But then KATO isn't 
included, whether he is Japanese, or Filipino.  (I guess few remember 
this stuff)

Steve

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Rollright at aol.com wrote:
> Hello,
>  
> Just got a Restoration Hardware mailer with something unusual. 
>  
> - Front page announces a charity auction for 
> " The One, The Only, The Legendary, Shelby Black Hornet".
>  This is a "replica" (hmmm) of the Green Hornet prototype Mustang of  yore.
>  
> For more, see:     RestorationHardware.com/Shelby
>  
> At least, it would be a nice ride.  
>
> Jim  Armstrong
> Mk 1A 382002083
> LRXFE
>
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From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Tue Dec  2 14:35:13 2008
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:35:13 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?
Message-ID: <20081202213513.Q3N5T.131585.root@cdptpa-web21-z01>

How are you getting there ? drive, trlr,  truck ?
Where are you traveling from ?
Why is  SUNI so far from anyplace ?
If you wanted to find a place difficult for everyone you couldn't have chosen
better than S Dakota.

Steve R
9473720

From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Tue Dec  2 14:57:00 2008
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:57:00 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] OLD TIRES
In-Reply-To: <d1e.3a182da7.36669db5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20081202215700.U2XXL.133517.root@cdptpa-web25-z01>

I think they're supposed to be "new" tires made in old molds.

Steve
9473720


---- Carmods at aol.com wrote: 
> About three years ago I bought new rear tires for my Tiger from  Coker.
> After I had them mounted, I looked at the date and they were over seven  
> years old.
> I guess that is their business, selling old tires.
>  
> John Logan
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From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com  Tue Dec  2 14:57:05 2008
From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:57:05 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Production Data
Message-ID: <c95.3fc2715a.36670931@aol.com>

The inside cover of the catalog from Sunbeam Specialties has all the data  
you are looking for, from S-I through S-V and Tiger MKI through MKII. There  is 
the range of production dates for each version by chassis number as  well as 
the total produced.
 
Fred Baum
9470768
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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Tue Dec  2 15:17:35 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:17:35 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] FW: YOUR TIRES
In-Reply-To: <431A0A0AB44948FDBE8C2F872E191E37@jerry>
References: <431A0A0AB44948FDBE8C2F872E191E37@jerry>
Message-ID: <4935B3FF.90109@SoCal.rr.com>

Tigers and Jerry,

Let me add a few words, and bring forward the video link way down in the 
original post:

http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=4826897

This is especially important to Tiger owners, as 13" tires are getting 
hard to find.  Mine are Michelin X, which appears to be only sold at Costco.

For the safety of you and your loved ones, don't get tires over 1 year 
old so you have at least 5 years of driving safely (if it is a good tire 
to begin with).

Those with competition use may wear them out before 5 years, but 
assuredly need swapping more often due to the loads applied.

Steve

(as my MG-TD manual said "Safety Fast")

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Jerry wrote:
> Tiger list;
>
>  
>
>  Here is something we all should be aware of.
>
>  
>
> I'm sending another e-mail I received today from a friend to drive home the
> point.

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Tue Dec  2 15:18:31 2008
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:18:31 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?
References: <20081202213513.Q3N5T.131585.root@cdptpa-web21-z01>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F4F2@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

The usual requirements for SUNI venues include (not in order of
importance):
- Space for several hundred people and 100+ cars, including trailer
storage
- Nearby location that is suitable for autocross
- Interesting scenery
- Decently drivable from any location in the US (despite the fact that
it's called "international", the vast majority of the attendees that
bring cars are from the US).
- Reasonable hotel rates

As it happens, wintertime resorts generally hit several of the above
requirements, and that puts most potential locations in the northern US.
The other thing is that the current Tiger ownership appears to be
concentrated towards the left and right coastlines in North America.
Pulling SUNI too far in one direction or the other will make the drive
pretty long for people that are in the other direction. Some people have
done 2500 mile one-way drives from Florida to attend each of the last
two SUNIs...

I'm not complaining. Suni 3 was about a nine hour drive for us, and Suni
4 about thirteen IIRC... Rapid City will be about 15, two days' driving
if all goes according to plan. See you all there, and I hope that the
location pulls more of the east-coast people in.

Theo
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten at ca.rr.com
> Sent: December 2, 2008 2:35 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?
>
> How are you getting there ? drive, trlr,  truck ?
> Where are you traveling from ?
> Why is  SUNI so far from anyplace ?
> If you wanted to find a place difficult for everyone you
> couldn't have chosen better than S Dakota.
>
> Steve R
> 9473720
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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 15:55:03 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 22:55:03 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?
In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F4F2@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
References: <20081202213513.Q3N5T.131585.root@cdptpa-web21-z01>
	<60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F4F2@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b0812021455x5305ea2fp62ec6d0db366acc7@mail.gmail.com>

steve,

i'm planning on trying to make it although as yet i'm not too sure
exactly when and where it is!  i will travel from london to chicago
and then rent or borrow a car to drive there.  the problem with this
plan is that you can't rent interesting cars in the mid-west and not
many people own one either.   so i may turn up late in an ageing gold
buick with a brown velour bench seat and suspension springs from a
sofa.



On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:
> The usual requirements for SUNI venues include (not in order of
> importance):
> - Space for several hundred people and 100+ cars, including trailer
> storage
> - Nearby location that is suitable for autocross
> - Interesting scenery
> - Decently drivable from any location in the US (despite the fact that
> it's called "international", the vast majority of the attendees that
> bring cars are from the US).
> - Reasonable hotel rates
>
> As it happens, wintertime resorts generally hit several of the above
> requirements, and that puts most potential locations in the northern US.
> The other thing is that the current Tiger ownership appears to be
> concentrated towards the left and right coastlines in North America.
> Pulling SUNI too far in one direction or the other will make the drive
> pretty long for people that are in the other direction. Some people have
> done 2500 mile one-way drives from Florida to attend each of the last
> two SUNIs...
>
> I'm not complaining. Suni 3 was about a nine hour drive for us, and Suni
> 4 about thirteen IIRC... Rapid City will be about 15, two days' driving
> if all goes according to plan. See you all there, and I hope that the
> location pulls more of the east-coast people in.
>
> Theo
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
>> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten at ca.rr.com
>> Sent: December 2, 2008 2:35 PM
>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?
>>
>> How are you getting there ? drive, trlr,  truck ?
>> Where are you traveling from ?
>> Why is  SUNI so far from anyplace ?
>> If you wanted to find a place difficult for everyone you
>> couldn't have chosen better than S Dakota.
>>
>> Steve R
>> 9473720
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From awtiger at cox.net  Tue Dec  2 16:00:28 2008
From: awtiger at cox.net (Andy Walker)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:00:28 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?
In-Reply-To: <20081202213513.Q3N5T.131585.root@cdptpa-web21-z01>
References: <20081202213513.Q3N5T.131585.root@cdptpa-web21-z01>
Message-ID: <6403401C8FE74D6FB5B311E1A8D604E7@awtigerPC>

Steve R:

My wife and I are planning on going and, as you know, we live in Edmond, OK. 
We plan on trailering the Tiger up there in the same trailer that I use to 
race my Alpine out of.  As far as the location, I personally think it's 
great.  It sucks being here in the middle of the country and getting only to 
read about other Sunbeam events that always seem to happen on or close to 
either coast.  There should actually be quite a few cars show up from this 
area of the country that no one has ever seen before...including mine. 
Then, there is always the issue with the availability of the TAC process in 
middle America...don't even get me started on that one.

So, as you can see, it's not a "difficult place for everyone."  This will 
probably be my one and only SUNI or any other major Sunbeam meet that I ever 
get to attend.  I, for one, am really looking forward to it!  I'm also very 
excited about getting to put faces with names on the Internet.  Yes sir, 
it's going to be a lot of fun!!

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
B9006857LRX

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <sralsten at ca.rr.com>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:35 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?


> How are you getting there ? drive, trlr,  truck ?
> Where are you traveling from ?
> Why is  SUNI so far from anyplace ?
> If you wanted to find a place difficult for everyone you couldn't have 
> chosen
> better than S Dakota.
>
> Steve R
> 9473720
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From tgrrr at peoplepc.com  Tue Dec  2 16:13:42 2008
From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:13:42 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?
References: <20081202213513.Q3N5T.131585.root@cdptpa-web21-z01>
	<60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F4F2@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <9B6CE83D065E4D81B3EE9A98DE04E376@bob>

> - Nearby location that is suitable for autocross

Does anyone have information on WHERE the autocross will be held?

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Tue Dec  2 16:14:37 2008
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:14:37 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?
References: <20081202213513.Q3N5T.131585.root@cdptpa-web21-z01><60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F4F2@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
	<9B6CE83D065E4D81B3EE9A98DE04E376@bob>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F4F5@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

Gimli?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Hokanson
> Sent: December 2, 2008 4:14 PM
> To: Tigers
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?
>
> > - Nearby location that is suitable for autocross
>
> Does anyone have information on WHERE the autocross will be held?
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From jrv309 at charter.net  Tue Dec  2 16:18:13 2008
From: jrv309 at charter.net (Jerry and Marlene VanderPool)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:18:13 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] SUNI V, June 21-26, 2009
Message-ID: <E091FCF6FD5D4F8EB48175616AF22AD7@D8T0X571>

Hello Fellow Sunbeamers;  Max Pahmeier is running the SUNI V Event in Rapid
City, South Dakota on the above dates.  Marlene and I are handling the
registration.  Information on the event should be coming out to the clubs and
folks soon.  Max will make that decision.  In the mean time if Marlene and I
can be of help please do not hesitate to contact us at jrv309 at charter.net.
Hope that all had a Happy Thanksgiving and that all Sunbeamers are looking
forward to having a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.  Jerry, Marlene and
the critters.

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Tue Dec  2 16:25:18 2008
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:25:18 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Suni V autocross
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F4F6@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

 <<central high school Rapid City.kmz>> Google says the Black Hills
Sports Car Club has autocrosses at the Central High school. Looks like a
decently sized parking lot...

Theo

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From jrv309 at charter.net  Tue Dec  2 16:45:10 2008
From: jrv309 at charter.net (Jerry and Marlene VanderPool)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:45:10 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] SUNI V, event June 21-26, 2009, Hotel info
Message-ID: <1B33461D2F244F97969676294299E4BC@D8T0X571>


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From jrv309 at charter.net  Tue Dec  2 16:50:22 2008
From: jrv309 at charter.net (Jerry and Marlene VanderPool)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:50:22 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Opps, sorry my error, Jerry, SUNI V Hotel info
Message-ID: <0FBD2FBD34AD401884AD7256956A30E1@D8T0X571>


[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/msword which had a name of SUNI V Hotel info.doc]

From jrv309 at charter.net  Tue Dec  2 16:55:27 2008
From: jrv309 at charter.net (Jerry and Marlene VanderPool)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:55:27 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Sorry, this old man hit the wrong button, Jerry,
 Fw: Please  review 'SUNI V Hotel info'
Message-ID: <55896C5537E44D5EAE0CC5698AE80D6A@D8T0X571>

----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry and Marlene VanderPool
To: jrv309 at charter.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:52 PM
Subject: Please review 'SUNI V Hotel info'



Please review the attached document.

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From jrv309 at charter.net  Tue Dec  2 17:01:44 2008
From: jrv309 at charter.net (Jerry and Marlene VanderPool)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:01:44 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] My computer skills---Suck.
Message-ID: <344D136F99F34EE49BB274262BD174B3@D8T0X571>

Sorry to all.  I'm trying to send out the hotel info for SUNI V.  Please bear
with me.   Remember this is teaching an old dog new tricks. Jerry.

From Tigerman67 at hotmail.com  Tue Dec  2 17:03:18 2008
From: Tigerman67 at hotmail.com (Tiger Man)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:03:18 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?
References: <20081202213513.Q3N5T.131585.root@cdptpa-web21-z01>
	<60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F4F2@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <BAY119-DAV4230BFC69FB074B48E79DC1030@phx.gbl>

I have to say that the Black hills area of South Dakota is a very scenic 
area for a drive.  I really enjoy going up for the Sturgis motorcycle rally 
every year, but I end up going early to get some good rides in, because the 
Motorcycle rally turns the area into a zoo to the point that the crowds make 
some of the scenic rides alot less scenic when you are stuck in traffic.

I am a bit concerned with how early in the year this is going on, I was kind 
of under the impression that the weather may still be kind of unpredictible. 
Of course, it is unpredictible in August as well when I am normally up 
there, so I guess there is no fool proof time of year.

Is there a schedule posted yet for events and such?

I would like to drive up from the Colorado Springs area of Colorado, but 
won't be able to invest a full week for the whole thing, so I was hoping 
that I could see what was going on, and pick coming up early in the week vs 
late in the week.

I especially would like to get my car TAC'd as well, so really would be 
curious to know what days that will be going on.

Thanks,
Steve


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Smit, Theo" <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
To: <sralsten at ca.rr.com>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?


> The usual requirements for SUNI venues include (not in order of
> importance):
> - Space for several hundred people and 100+ cars, including trailer
> storage
> - Nearby location that is suitable for autocross
> - Interesting scenery
> - Decently drivable from any location in the US (despite the fact that
> it's called "international", the vast majority of the attendees that
> bring cars are from the US).
> - Reasonable hotel rates
>
> As it happens, wintertime resorts generally hit several of the above
> requirements, and that puts most potential locations in the northern US.
> The other thing is that the current Tiger ownership appears to be
> concentrated towards the left and right coastlines in North America.
> Pulling SUNI too far in one direction or the other will make the drive
> pretty long for people that are in the other direction. Some people have
> done 2500 mile one-way drives from Florida to attend each of the last
> two SUNIs...
>
> I'm not complaining. Suni 3 was about a nine hour drive for us, and Suni
> 4 about thirteen IIRC... Rapid City will be about 15, two days' driving
> if all goes according to plan. See you all there, and I hope that the
> location pulls more of the east-coast people in.
>
> Theo
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
>> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten at ca.rr.com
>> Sent: December 2, 2008 2:35 PM
>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?
>>
>> How are you getting there ? drive, trlr,  truck ?
>> Where are you traveling from ?
>> Why is  SUNI so far from anyplace ?
>> If you wanted to find a place difficult for everyone you
>> couldn't have chosen better than S Dakota.
>>
>> Steve R
>> 9473720

From jrv309 at charter.net  Tue Dec  2 17:02:37 2008
From: jrv309 at charter.net (Jerry and Marlene VanderPool)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:02:37 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] SUNI V info from the old dog.
Message-ID: <2A5D3AF14ED74779A48321EEB55210D9@D8T0X571>

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From jrv309 at charter.net  Tue Dec  2 17:09:33 2008
From: jrv309 at charter.net (Jerry and Marlene VanderPool)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:09:33 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] SUNI V hotel
Message-ID: <03FF8A7D876C4254A827C047649BF8D7@D8T0X571>

Sorry all, but the old dog could not get it to run.  If you have any
questions, please contact us off list at jrv309 at charter. net, Jerry.

From tgrrr at peoplepc.com  Tue Dec  2 17:11:40 2008
From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:11:40 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?
References: <20081202213513.Q3N5T.131585.root@cdptpa-web21-z01><60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F4F2@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
	<9B6CE83D065E4D81B3EE9A98DE04E376@bob>
	<77DEDB761E7F4E198F47F89BFE6488F9@D8T0X571>
Message-ID: <8301ECF18CB34464BD06938C9A92DB90@bob>

Is that the Rushmore Plaza Civic Center on Mt Rushmore Rd or the Civic 
Center on E St Joseph St?

Bob

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry and Marlene VanderPool" <jrv309 at charter.net>
To: "Bob Hokanson" <tgrrr at peoplepc.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?


> Bob;  The Auto X will be put on by the Black Hills Sports Car Club and 
> will be held at the Rapid City Civic Center.  Hope this helps, Jerry, 
> Marlene and the critters.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bob Hokanson" <tgrrr at peoplepc.com>
> To: "Tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?
>
>
>>> - Nearby location that is suitable for autocross
>>
>> Does anyone have information on WHERE the autocross will be held?

From stubrennan at comcast.net  Tue Dec  2 17:33:04 2008
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:33:04 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?
In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F4F2@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <000001c954de$ba841120$6601a8c0@Brennan>

 ....Some people have done 2500 mile one-way drives from Florida to
attend each of the last two SUNIs...

I'm not complaining. Suni 3 was about a nine hour drive for us, and Suni
4 about thirteen IIRC... Rapid City will be about 15, ....

Nine hours?  15 hours?  Poor dears.  For me, near Boston, 18 hours hard
driving only gets me to Indianapolis.   How long would it take to get
from the east coast to this or any of the SUNI's?  Sure there are a
few... Ummm...lets say "brave" individuals who have undertaken major
cross country journeys to past SUNIs, but not many.  I flew to the two I
attended, not having the vacation time to drive.  Or having the funds to
do major work to my Tiger to get it trustable for a several thousand
mile journey.  Or afford a suitable tow vehicle and trailer.

So why not hold the next one somewhere significantly east of the
Mississippi?  Sure, lots of west coast regulars might not make the
journey, but lots more east coast folks would.

Stu Brennan

From brockctella at juno.com  Tue Dec  2 17:38:51 2008
From: brockctella at juno.com (Brock Tella)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:38:51 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Suni
Message-ID: <20081202.163851.936.4.BrockCTella@juno.com>

Anybody from SoCal thinking of driving? I'd like to drive but would
appreciate having some backup:-).
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From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Tue Dec  2 18:17:48 2008
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:17:48 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Link to SUNI info
In-Reply-To: <20081202.163851.936.4.BrockCTella@juno.com>
Message-ID: <20081203011748.84YLG.136582.root@cdptpa-web25-z01>

Here is a link to the Alpine forum where some (maybe all) current SUNI info is located that Jerry was probably trying to post.

http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=54

I understand that for some (Andy and Lynn) SUNI is closer than most or all other events but its hardly close even for you. It certainly does a good job of avoiding the majority of Sunbeam owners.

I would love to go I just can't see the 22 hour drive each way plus the week in Rapid City. It becomes a 2 week event from Los Angeles. Maybe I'll just fly and rent a local car. Maybe I'll win the Lotto and can hire someone to go for me. ;^)

From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Tue Dec  2 18:17:58 2008
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:17:58 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Link to SUNI info
Message-ID: <20081203011758.V5O62.136585.root@cdptpa-web25-z01>

Here is a link to the Alpine forum where some (maybe all) current SUNI info is located that Jerry was probably trying to post.

http://www.sunbeamalpine.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=54

I understand that for some (Andy and Lynn) SUNI is closer than most or all other events but its hardly close even for you. It certainly does a good job of avoiding the majority of Sunbeam owners.

I would love to go I just can't see the 22 hour drive each way plus the week in Rapid City. It becomes a 2 week event from Los Angeles. Maybe I'll just fly and rent a local car. Maybe I'll win the Lotto and can hire someone to go for me. ;^)

From DJoh797014 at aol.com  Tue Dec  2 19:06:55 2008
From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 21:06:55 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?
Message-ID: <cf2.47e740a9.366743bf@aol.com>

When and where is the SUNI.  All I've heard is runors.
Does Max have a website up?
 
 
In a message dated 12/2/2008 3:35:33 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
sralsten at ca.rr.com writes:

How are  you getting there ? drive, trlr,  truck ?
Where are you traveling from  ?
Why is  SUNI so far from anyplace ?
If you wanted to find a place  difficult for everyone you couldn't have chosen
better than S  Dakota.

Steve  R
9473720
Tigers at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers

http://www.team.net/archive

From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec  2 20:58:04 2008
From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:58:04 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?
In-Reply-To: <9B6CE83D065E4D81B3EE9A98DE04E376@bob>
References: <20081202213513.Q3N5T.131585.root@cdptpa-web21-z01><60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F4F2@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
	<9B6CE83D065E4D81B3EE9A98DE04E376@bob>
Message-ID: <DFB8634D699B4A869DB7C3E959971F5B@ROSS>

Why? Do you want to practice for fast time of day?
 


To: Tigers
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?

> - Nearby location that is suitable for autocross

Does anyone have information on WHERE the autocross will be held?

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Dec  2 22:13:02 2008
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 00:13:02 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?
In-Reply-To: <000001c954de$ba841120$6601a8c0@Brennan>
Message-ID: <F17D413C97F142CD8F3C4B400A98FFC2@ronpc1>

Stu
	I drove my Tiger from Rochester NY to the Big Sky SUNI, 4 day drive
with stops and sight seeing.   I drove about 6,000 miles round trip that
time.  The longest amount of time I drove on any one day was about 12 hours.

Rapid City would be about a 3 day trip for me with stops and sight seeing.
I hope to make the trip to Rapid City but it is too far off at the moment to
make that call.   If I do go it will be about a 2 week trip.

It should not be that hard to get your Tiger road worthy for such a trip but
I realize everyone has a different situation and not everyone can get the
time to drive.

	Driving there is more than half the fun and you have to make it fun
to drive.  These cars were made to be driven, so drive.  Are things going to
happen along the way, absolutely.   Where do you think all the stories come
from, its an adventure.   I had an ignition coil die in the Bighorn
Mountains just as I came to a scenic over look.  Now what do you suppose was
the last thing I packed before leaving, yup, you guessed it a spare coil.  I
swapped out the coil and drove back to the nearest Auto store and bought
another spare coil, just in case.  I then had lunch to fuel me up and to
just relax for a time.

Ron Fraser



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Stu Brennan
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:33 PM
To: 'Smit, Theo'; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?


 ....Some people have done 2500 mile one-way drives from Florida to attend
each of the last two SUNIs...

I'm not complaining. Suni 3 was about a nine hour drive for us, and Suni 4
about thirteen IIRC... Rapid City will be about 15, ....

Nine hours?  15 hours?  Poor dears.  For me, near Boston, 18 hours hard
driving only gets me to Indianapolis.   How long would it take to get
from the east coast to this or any of the SUNI's?  Sure there are a few...
Ummm...lets say "brave" individuals who have undertaken major cross country
journeys to past SUNIs, but not many.  I flew to the two I attended, not
having the vacation time to drive.  Or having the funds to do major work to
my Tiger to get it trustable for a several thousand mile journey.  Or afford
a suitable tow vehicle and trailer.

So why not hold the next one somewhere significantly east of the
Mississippi?  Sure, lots of west coast regulars might not make the journey,
but lots more east coast folks would.

Stu Brennan
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From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Wed Dec  3 08:42:18 2008
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:42:18 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?
In-Reply-To: <F17D413C97F142CD8F3C4B400A98FFC2@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <20081203154218.D3CUA.144223.root@cdptpa-web14-z01>

Years ago I sold my last motorcycle, a Honda Goldwing that I used for several long xcountry trips. Around groups of Honda riders the story was that you could pay for your trips by towing a small goldwing trlr filled with Harley parts.

Maybe next June I'll hook a trailer filled with Tiger and Alpine parts to my Civic and head towards SUNI. ;^) 

Steve R
B9473720



   I had an ignition coil die in the Bighorn
> Mountains just as I came to a scenic over look.  Now what do you suppose was
> the last thing I packed before leaving, yup, you guessed it a spare coil.  I
> swapped out the coil and drove back to the nearest Auto store and bought
> another spare coil, just in case.  I then had lunch to fuel me up and to
> just relax for a time.
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Stu Brennan
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:33 PM
> To: 'Smit, Theo'; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?
> 
> 
>  ....Some people have done 2500 mile one-way drives from Florida to attend
> each of the last two SUNIs...
> 
> I'm not complaining. Suni 3 was about a nine hour drive for us, and Suni 4
> about thirteen IIRC... Rapid City will be about 15, ....
> 
> Nine hours?  15 hours?  Poor dears.  For me, near Boston, 18 hours hard
> driving only gets me to Indianapolis.   How long would it take to get
> from the east coast to this or any of the SUNI's?  Sure there are a few...
> Ummm...lets say "brave" individuals who have undertaken major cross country
> journeys to past SUNIs, but not many.  I flew to the two I attended, not
> having the vacation time to drive.  Or having the funds to do major work to
> my Tiger to get it trustable for a several thousand mile journey.  Or afford
> a suitable tow vehicle and trailer.
> 
> So why not hold the next one somewhere significantly east of the
> Mississippi?  Sure, lots of west coast regulars might not make the journey,
> but lots more east coast folks would.
> 
> Stu Brennan
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From GRMTim at aol.com  Wed Dec  3 08:44:14 2008
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 10:44:14 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?
Message-ID: <c60.33e4fa64.3668034e@aol.com>

Where and when is SUNI?

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040



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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Wed Dec  3 08:46:56 2008
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:46:56 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?
References: <c60.33e4fa64.3668034e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F4FD@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

It's in Rapid City, SD, June 21-27, 2009. I have the hotel info from
Jerry Vanderpool and I'll post it on the tigersunited.com website
today-ish.

Theo


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	Sent: December 3, 2008 8:44 AM
	To: owain.lloyd at gmail.com; Smit, Theo
	Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
	Subject: Re: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?


	Where and when is SUNI?

	Tim Suddard
	Publisher; Classic Motorsports
	and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
	www.classicmotorsports.net
	www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
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From jeff.eakin at comcast.net  Wed Dec  3 10:04:06 2008
From: jeff.eakin at comcast.net (Jeff Eakin)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:04:06 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] SUNI-V
Message-ID: <C55C0A16.E1%jeff.eakin@comcast.net>

There has been some discussion lately about driving to SUNI-V in Rapid City,
SD. The Colorado Assn of Tiger & Alpine Owners, (C.A.T.O.) will having some
fashion of a caravan leaving Denver on Sunday, June 21. Denver is about 6
hours and 400 miles. For those coming from the South and West who want to
hook up with us hang on to my contact info and we can discuss details as
things get a little closer. I've read some posts from people who will be
flying in. Perhaps you can coordinate your trip through Denver and catch a
ride with one of us and avoid renting a car. Some of us even have a couple
Tigers and might need another driver.
   ~ ~ ~ 
Jeff Eakin
Pres. Colorado Assn. of Tiger Owners (C.A.T.O)
1142 S. Clayton St.
Denver, CO  80210
(303) 733-1211 (H)
(303) 903-2386 (Cell)
jeff.eakin at comcast.net

From pirouette at charter.net  Wed Dec  3 12:36:52 2008
From: pirouette at charter.net (pirouette at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:36:52 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Jim Leach
In-Reply-To: <mailman.17.1228330803.23115.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20081203143652.ORZCA.359320.root@mp07>

Jim Leach please contact me off-list.  Thanks.
                             Chris Hill

From pirouette at charter.net  Wed Dec  3 12:36:57 2008
From: pirouette at charter.net (pirouette at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:36:57 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Jim Leach
Message-ID: <20081203143657.QG5G1.359326.root@mp07>

Jim Leach please contact me off-list.  Thanks.
                             Chris Hill

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Wed Dec  3 19:13:24 2008
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:13:24 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Two Tigers at Russo and Steele Auction
Message-ID: <49373CC4.8030903@roadrunner.com>

I just got a notice from Russo and Steele of their auction in Scottsdale 
January 14-18 which shows two Tigers that will be sold.  Here's the link:
http://www.russoandsteele.com/featured_automobiles.html?keyword=sunbeam&submit=Search 
<http://www.russoandsteele.com/featured_automobiles.html?keyword=sunbeam&submit=Search>

Cheers,

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From tsmit at shaw.ca  Wed Dec  3 22:10:15 2008
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:10:15 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] SUNI V info up on TigersUnited.com
In-Reply-To: <03FF8A7D876C4254A827C047649BF8D7@D8T0X571>
References: <03FF8A7D876C4254A827C047649BF8D7@D8T0X571>
Message-ID: <49376637.9040804@shaw.ca>

Hi all,
I updated the Tigers United events page 
(http://www.tigersunited.com/news/events.asp) to show the SUNI 
information that's currently available. Apparently there's also a 
provisional schedule of events but I don't have that yet... stay tuned.

Theo

From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  4 08:54:51 2008
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary Crandall)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:54:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Fork Needed
Message-ID: <118842.68721.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sorry to bomb the list, but I am looking for an original 10 1/2" Ford clutch
fork that was used on the Tiger. It mounts to the bellhousing with the wire
clip. If you have one, please contact me off list. Thanks.

From Tigerman67 at hotmail.com  Thu Dec  4 09:01:20 2008
From: Tigerman67 at hotmail.com (Tiger Man)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 09:01:20 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Fork Needed
In-Reply-To: <118842.68721.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <118842.68721.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY119-DS1D42E18483D59400D9DFCC1020@phx.gbl>

I was just curious since this question was asked anyway.

Is the clutch fork for 5 bolt bell housings available as a reproduction 
item, or do you have to scrounge for an original?  I have seen the more 
common 6 bolt clutch forks, but not sure if I have seen any that could be 
used for the tiger that are available new.

Thanks,
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Gary Crandall" <maliburevue at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 8:54 AM
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Fork Needed

> Sorry to bomb the list, but I am looking for an original 10 1/2" Ford 
> clutch
> fork that was used on the Tiger. It mounts to the bellhousing with the 
> wire
> clip. If you have one, please contact me off list. Thanks.
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Dec  4 10:40:12 2008
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:40:12 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Fork Needed
In-Reply-To: <BAY119-DS1D42E18483D59400D9DFCC1020@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5D37C7495B844ED2B4B99244AD392E9C@ronpc1>

The original part number is C3AZ-7515-A release lever.

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/6-FF-ClutchsAnd
Controls.pdf


I'm not sure what the differences are between the forks available today and
the original.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Tiger Man
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:01 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Clutch Fork Needed


I was just curious since this question was asked anyway.

Is the clutch fork for 5 bolt bell housings available as a reproduction
item, or do you have to scrounge for an original?  I have seen the more
common 6 bolt clutch forks, but not sure if I have seen any that could be
used for the tiger that are available new.

Thanks,
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Gary Crandall" <maliburevue at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 8:54 AM
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Fork Needed

> Sorry to bomb the list, but I am looking for an original 10 1/2" Ford
> clutch
> fork that was used on the Tiger. It mounts to the bellhousing with the
> wire
> clip. If you have one, please contact me off list. Thanks.
> _______________________________________________
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Thu Dec  4 14:51:33 2008
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:51:33 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Fork Needed
Message-ID: <bdf.44ff7b46.3669aae5@aol.com>

Tom Hall has done a study on them.  I suggest contacting  him.
Mark
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From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Thu Dec  4 16:21:44 2008
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:21:44 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] white tiger
Message-ID: <000c01c95667$12c26600$6700a8c0@chesapeake4>

Hi listers,  Has this car been around,  the chrome expansion tank looked
familiar,  what's with the glove box door,  are these options???  Clyde

From awtiger at cox.net  Thu Dec  4 18:02:22 2008
From: awtiger at cox.net (Andy Walker)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 19:02:22 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] white tiger
In-Reply-To: <000c01c95667$12c26600$6700a8c0@chesapeake4>
References: <000c01c95667$12c26600$6700a8c0@chesapeake4>
Message-ID: <FFDE9CA7BB7B4B7B96676773FC4B21CA@awtigerPC>

Negative on both counts, Clyde.  The expansion tanks were black from the 
factory and Rootes never put a door on the "cubby" box.  They were wide open 
from the factory.

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
B9006857LRX

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Clyde McLaughlin" <clydemclaughlin at verizon.net>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 5:21 PM
Subject: [Tigers] white tiger


> Hi listers,  Has this car been around,  the chrome expansion tank looked
> familiar,  what's with the glove box door,  are these options???  Clyde
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From tsmit at shaw.ca  Thu Dec  4 21:55:53 2008
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 21:55:53 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Suni V preliminary schedule
In-Reply-To: <FBCD8AF950DB4BC493E217186DCE36C6@fryghx1wr0pe53>
References: <FBCD8AF950DB4BC493E217186DCE36C6@fryghx1wr0pe53>
Message-ID: <4938B459.3090702@shaw.ca>

Thanks to Tom Hall and Max Pahmeier for sending in a preliminary 
schedule. It's up in PDF form at
<http://www.tigersunited.com/news/SuniV/SUNI_V_PRELIM_SCHED.pdf>
and the events page now includes a link to the schedule as well.

If you have questions about the schedule (or constructive feedback) 
please let Max know.

Theo

From marden at mistral.co.uk  Fri Dec  5 09:20:03 2008
From: marden at mistral.co.uk (marden at mistral.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 16:20:03 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] New Tiger Book
Message-ID: <49783.1228494003@mistral.co.uk>

Hi Guys,

	I just thought you may like to know that I have just finished
reading a fantastic new book on the Rootes competition history.
Called ROOTES MAESTROS it is written by that well known Rootes
authority GRAHAM ROBSON. The book is in a  large format, 350 pages &
full colour with 100's of photograph (a lot not previously published)
3 main sections covering the stories (in their own words) of NORMAN
GARRAD, STIRLING MOSS & MARCUS CHAMBERS. Whilst this book is not
exclusively TIGER it does have 2 chapters (37 pages) on our chosen
steed plus a lot of other mentions in the book. It really is a good
read and one worth getting for the collection. The book is published
by Mercian Manuals who I have telephoned on your behalf and they tell
me they are happy to send to the USA. Contact: rshimmell at tiscali.co.uk
[1]  for details. Hope you like it.  I would also like to take this
opportunity to wish all Tiger fans reading this worldwide a VERY
MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR. Martin Pester
-------------------------
Message sent via KC WebMail - http://webmail.mistral.net/

Links:
------
[1] mailto:rshimmell at tiscali.co.uk

From csx2282 at sonic.net  Fri Dec  5 18:09:32 2008
From: csx2282 at sonic.net (csx2282)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 17:09:32 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Stainless Steel Braided Replacements For Girling Brake
	Line?
Message-ID: <668FD55655A642ABAE3CCBC0086BB93C@Cobra>

A number of years ago I replaced all of my original 40+ year old Girling flex
brake lines with stainless steel braided lines.  Since these lines came with
female AN fittings on both ends I had to buy special adapters to get them to
interface to hard lines and the calipers.  I also had to replace the standard
fittings on the hard lines with AN fittings and get them re-flared to AN flare
angles.

I know someone who is also interested in switching their 60's vintage Girling
lines to stainless braided, but would prefer lines that were direct
replacements requiring no adapters or hard line reflaring.  Are there
suppliers of such lines?

Thanks,

Roland

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Fri Dec  5 19:20:05 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:20:05 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] white tiger
In-Reply-To: <000c01c95667$12c26600$6700a8c0@chesapeake4>
References: <000c01c95667$12c26600$6700a8c0@chesapeake4>
Message-ID: <4939E155.3030100@SoCal.rr.com>

Well, YES and NO.

The chroming of anything is YOUR option, but only the top of the stock 
air cleaner is a LAT option.

The glove box door, neat as it may be, wasn't Tiger/Alpine option.

Steve

___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



Clyde McLaughlin wrote:
> Hi listers,  Has this car been around,  the chrome expansion tank looked
> familiar,  what's with the glove box door,  are these options???  Clyde

From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Fri Dec  5 19:26:31 2008
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:26:31 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Stainless Steel Braided Replacements For Girling Brake
 Line?
References: <668FD55655A642ABAE3CCBC0086BB93C@Cobra>
Message-ID: <4B301629B6CC4A489A1FF319D41C9D55@your4dacd0ea75>

Roland,

If you're talking about replacing Tiger brake lines, CAT sells direct 
replacement braided stainless flex lines.

Buck Trippel

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "csx2282" <csx2282 at sonic.net>
To: "BC" <british-cars at autox.team.net>; "tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:09 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Stainless Steel Braided Replacements For Girling Brake 
Line?


>A number of years ago I replaced all of my original 40+ year old Girling 
>flex
> brake lines with stainless steel braided lines.  Since these lines came 
> with
> female AN fittings on both ends I had to buy special adapters to get them 
> to
> interface to hard lines and the calipers.  I also had to replace the 
> standard
> fittings on the hard lines with AN fittings and get them re-flared to AN 
> flare
> angles.
>
> I know someone who is also interested in switching their 60's vintage 
> Girling
> lines to stainless braided, but would prefer lines that were direct
> replacements requiring no adapters or hard line reflaring.  Are there
> suppliers of such lines?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Roland
> _______________________________________________

From bamcnulty at optonline.net  Fri Dec  5 19:43:15 2008
From: bamcnulty at optonline.net (Tony McNulty)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:43:15 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Stainless Steel Braided Replacements For Girling Brake
 Line?
References: <668FD55655A642ABAE3CCBC0086BB93C@Cobra>
Message-ID: <22C0C26D954E41D2A9A0E5101E386EAB@your4dacd0ea75>

Has anyone looked at the Aeroquip line of products for this -- also 
Swagelok?  I'm in the middle of doing all this and am just curious and would 
appreciate opinions.

Thanks,

Tony Mc








----- Original Message ----- 
From: "csx2282" <csx2282 at sonic.net>
To: "BC" <british-cars at autox.team.net>; "tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 8:09 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Stainless Steel Braided Replacements For Girling Brake 
Line?


>A number of years ago I replaced all of my original 40+ year old Girling 
>flex
> brake lines with stainless steel braided lines.  Since these lines came 
> with
> female AN fittings on both ends I had to buy special adapters to get them 
> to
> interface to hard lines and the calipers.  I also had to replace the 
> standard
> fittings on the hard lines with AN fittings and get them re-flared to AN 
> flare
> angles.
>
> I know someone who is also interested in switching their 60's vintage 
> Girling
> lines to stainless braided, but would prefer lines that were direct
> replacements requiring no adapters or hard line reflaring.  Are there
> suppliers of such lines?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Roland
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  5 22:17:53 2008
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:17:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Stainless Steel Braided Replacements For Girling Brake
 Line?
In-Reply-To: <22C0C26D954E41D2A9A0E5101E386EAB@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <931533.31323.qm@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Doug Jennings sold the brake lines at a TE/AE United a few years back. Im sure they where replacement lines he had made up. I would contact him.
TtT


--- On Fri, 12/5/08, Tony McNulty <bamcnulty at optonline.net> wrote:

> From: Tony McNulty <bamcnulty at optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Stainless Steel Braided Replacements For Girling Brake Line?
> To: "csx2282" <csx2282 at sonic.net>, "BC" <british-cars at autox.team.net>, "tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 8:43 PM
> Has anyone looked at the Aeroquip line of products for this
> -- also Swagelok?  I'm in the middle of doing all this
> and am just curious and would appreciate opinions.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tony Mc
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "csx2282"
> <csx2282 at sonic.net>
> To: "BC" <british-cars at autox.team.net>;
> "tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 8:09 PM
> Subject: [Tigers] Stainless Steel Braided Replacements For
> Girling Brake Line?
> 
> 
> > A number of years ago I replaced all of my original
> 40+ year old Girling flex
> > brake lines with stainless steel braided lines.  Since
> these lines came with
> > female AN fittings on both ends I had to buy special
> adapters to get them to
> > interface to hard lines and the calipers.  I also had
> to replace the standard
> > fittings on the hard lines with AN fittings and get
> them re-flared to AN flare
> > angles.
> > 
> > I know someone who is also interested in switching
> their 60's vintage Girling
> > lines to stainless braided, but would prefer lines
> that were direct
> > replacements requiring no adapters or hard line
> reflaring.  Are there
> > suppliers of such lines?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Roland
> > _______________________________________________
> > Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > 
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From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  6 10:06:32 2008
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:06:32 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] TAC@Doug Jennings
References: <4920CB29.9040001@elams.org>
Message-ID: <015501c957c4$fd65bf00$6501a8c0@PETERHOME>

any further update on this TAC event at doug's.  i am definitely in to get 
my car tac'd.

peter

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Harry B. Elam" <harryb at elams.org>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>; <mark.rense at ge.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:38 PM
Subject: [Tigers] TAC at Doug Jennings


> Mark,
> Early selection of a date would be helpful. If there are no other local 
> junior guys available I will make every effort to be there. I would even 
> work toward becoming a senior if that can be arranged.
>
> Harry Elam
> TAC Junior # 37
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From tcprager at hotmail.com  Sat Dec  6 10:27:29 2008
From: tcprager at hotmail.com (Thomas Prager)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:27:29 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] door wing hitting windshield post trim
Message-ID: <BAY142-DS767A414D6DBF0501A4E5ACBFF0@phx.gbl>

Dear List,

I just put up my soft top (down in March and up in December). Now the leading
edge of the passenger side door glass wing is just making contact with the
stainless trim on the windshield post. Slithering under the dash, I tightened
the windshield bolt to no avail. Two questions: Does SS still offer adjustable
windshield wedges and do they work? Also I think the stainless windshield trim
that attaches to windshield post may be reversed (rounded end facing top of
windshield,  straight edge facing the bottom). There are no other Tigers in my
area for comparison. I can send a picture to your email.

thanks,

tom prager
9472154

From sganz at pacbell.net  Sat Dec  6 11:54:59 2008
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:54:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Stainless Steel Braided Replacements For Girling Brake
 Line?
Message-ID: <466809.56975.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

You might look at Pegasus Racing parts they had a bunch of odd fittings, like
the one for the back of Smiths/Jaeger gauges. I don't think you will have much
luck with Aeroquip, but you might be better off with Goodridge, look on line
they have a ton of odd brake adapters and fittings. The lines are not a
problem, earls, aeroquip, goodridge all makes -3/-4 teflon high pressure hose
for brakeline. Earls has a nice plastic coated version as well for extra
protection.

Sandy



----- Original Message ----
From: csx2282
<csx2282 at sonic.net>
To: BC <british-cars at autox.team.net>; tigers
<tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 5:09:32 PM
Subject:
[Tigers] Stainless Steel Braided Replacements For Girling Brake Line?

A
number of years ago I replaced all of my original 40+ year old Girling flex
brake lines with stainless steel braided lines.  Since these lines came with
female AN fittings on both ends I had to buy special adapters to get them to
interface to hard lines and the calipers.  I also had to replace the standard
fittings on the hard lines with AN fittings and get them re-flared to AN flare
angles.

I know someone who is also interested in switching their 60's vintage
Girling
lines to stainless braided, but would prefer lines that were direct
replacements requiring no adapters or hard line reflaring.  Are there
suppliers of such lines?

Thanks,

Roland
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From dick.barker at att.net  Sat Dec  6 13:14:30 2008
From: dick.barker at att.net (Dick Barker)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 12:14:30 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] White Tiger
Message-ID: <20081206201433.DEB3A187643@autox.team.net>

On Friday, Dec 05 2008 Steve Laifman <SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com> wrote:
"The chroming of anything is YOUR option, but only the top of the 
stock air cleaner is a LAT option."

----------
There's more to it than just the air cleaner. A little clarification 
may be in order here:

Chrome engine accessories were available only as part of the LAT 2 
option, which consisted of a pair of "Tiger" aluminum valve covers, a 
chrome air cleaner top, a chrome oil filler cap, a chrome radiator 
cap, and a chrome dipstick (handle and tophat only). These chromed 
items were not available separately.

Tiger valve covers could be purchased separately, without the chromed 
items, as LAT 8, but the only way to get the chrome goodies was to 
buy the complete LAT 2 package.

For concours purposes, it's all or nothing. You can have the valve 
covers without the chrome stuff (LAT 8), but if you have one chrome 
piece you need to have them all, plus the valve covers (LAT 2). Other 
chromed pieces--expansion tank, fan shroud, cowl struts, voltage 
regulator cover, thermostat outlet, generator/alternator bracket, 
etc., are not legitimate LAT options and could reduce your concours score.

Dick

From tgrrr at peoplepc.com  Sat Dec  6 14:27:54 2008
From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:27:54 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?
References: <20081202213513.Q3N5T.131585.root@cdptpa-web21-z01><60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F4F2@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
	<9B6CE83D065E4D81B3EE9A98DE04E376@bob>
	<DFB8634D699B4A869DB7C3E959971F5B@ROSS>
Message-ID: <5600096B7E9149FBAE742613B6050509@bob>

Preliminary schedule shows 2 days of autocross and no concours. Did somebody 
finally get priorities right?
This could be worth the tow!

http://www.tigersunited.com/news/SuniV/SUNI_V_PRELIM_SCHED.pdf

Bob

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ross" <ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'Bob Hokanson'" <tgrrr at peoplepc.com>; "'Tigers'" 
<tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:58 PM
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?


>
> Why? Do you want to practice for fast time of day?
>
>
>
> To: Tigers
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?
>
>> - Nearby location that is suitable for autocross
>
> Does anyone have information on WHERE the autocross will be held?

From hokey at oasisol.com  Sat Dec  6 14:37:26 2008
From: hokey at oasisol.com (Mike Hokanson)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:37:26 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?
References: <20081202213513.Q3N5T.131585.root@cdptpa-web21-z01><60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F4F2@dsimail.ad.garmin.com><9B6CE83D065E4D81B3EE9A98DE04E376@bob><DFB8634D699B4A869DB7C3E959971F5B@ROSS>
	<5600096B7E9149FBAE742613B6050509@bob>
Message-ID: <002a01c957ea$d53d06c0$44030a0a@iggy>

I read the list of events, and it mentions "parking lot" for the auto-x.  Now,
are we going to have to deal with lamp posts and speed bumps or are we going
to be able to bag 3rd gear and let 'er rip?

Mike
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bob Hokanson
  To: Tigers ; Ross
  Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 1:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?



  Preliminary schedule shows 2 days of autocross and no concours. Did somebody
  finally get priorities right?
  This could be worth the tow!

  http://www.tigersunited.com/news/SuniV/SUNI_V_PRELIM_SCHED.pdf

  Bob

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Ross" <ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net>
  To: "'Bob Hokanson'" <tgrrr at peoplepc.com>; "'Tigers'"
  <tigers at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:58 PM
  Subject: RE: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?


  >
  > Why? Do you want to practice for fast time of day?
  >
  >
  >
  > To: Tigers
  > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?
  >
  >> - Nearby location that is suitable for autocross
  >
  > Does anyone have information on WHERE the autocross will be held?
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From harryb at elams.org  Sun Dec  7 05:27:50 2008
From: harryb at elams.org (Harry B. Elam)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 07:27:50 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] TAC@Doug Jennings
In-Reply-To: <015501c957c4$fd65bf00$6501a8c0@PETERHOME>
References: <4920CB29.9040001@elams.org>
	<015501c957c4$fd65bf00$6501a8c0@PETERHOME>
Message-ID: <493BC146.60308@elams.org>

I have heard nothing.

Harry

Peter Laurinaitis wrote:
> any further update on this TAC event at doug's.  i am definitely in to 
> get my car tac'd.
>
> peter
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry B. Elam" <harryb at elams.org>
> To: <tigers at autox.team.net>; <mark.rense at ge.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:38 PM
> Subject: [Tigers] TAC at Doug Jennings
>
>
>> Mark,
>> Early selection of a date would be helpful. If there are no other 
>> local junior guys available I will make every effort to be there. I 
>> would even work toward becoming a senior if that can be arranged.
>>
>> Harry Elam
>> TAC Junior # 37
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From RussE at Firstva.com  Sun Dec  7 11:11:33 2008
From: RussE at Firstva.com (Russ Eshelman)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:11:33 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Steering parts
Message-ID: <00f101c95897$42fc8080$4b8b67d0@youro0kwkw9jwc>

Was wondering if anyone out there in Tiger land might happen to have a
complete Tiger steering column with lower steering shaft they would like to
sell?
Many Thanks
Russ E.
B9471661
B382001589

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Sun Dec  7 14:49:44 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 13:49:44 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] White Tiger
In-Reply-To: <52.88.18143.52DDA394@hrndva-mxlb.mail.rr.com>
References: <52.88.18143.52DDA394@hrndva-mxlb.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <493C44F8.2020104@SoCal.rr.com>

Yep,

I defer to the master.  Dick knows his concourse stuff, and lots of 
other arcane Tiger knowledge.

I completely forgot about those other goodies.  I removed the radiator 
cap and replaced it with a Stant "Lever-Action" one to be able to open 
it when really hot and pressurized by releasing the pressure first.  
Learned the hard way when my Mustang was very hot, and I opened the cap 
to add water on the way to LAX bound for England, and got my arm 
scalded. :-(

Thanks, Dick.

Steve
___

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Dick Barker wrote:
> On Friday, Dec 05 2008 Steve Laifman <SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com> wrote:
> "The chroming of anything is YOUR option, but only the top of the 
> stock air cleaner is a LAT option."
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> There's more to it than just the air cleaner. A little clarification 
> may be in order here:
>
> Chrome engine accessories were available only as part of the LAT 2 
> option, which consisted of a pair of "Tiger" aluminum valve covers, a 
> chrome air cleaner top, a chrome oil filler cap, a chrome radiator 
> cap, and a chrome dipstick (handle and tophat only). These chromed 
> items were not available separately. 
>
> Tiger valve covers could be purchased separately, without the chromed 
> items, as LAT 8, but the only way to get the chrome goodies was to buy 
> the complete LAT 2 package.
>
> For concours purposes, it's all or nothing. You can have the valve 
> covers without the chrome stuff (LAT 8), but if you have one chrome 
> piece you need to have them all, plus the valve covers (LAT 2). Other 
> chromed pieces--expansion tank, fan shroud, cowl struts, voltage 
> regulator cover, thermostat outlet, generator/alternator bracket, 
> etc., are not legitimate LAT options and could reduce your concours score.
>
> Dick

From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Sun Dec  7 21:07:44 2008
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (Steve Ralsten)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:07:44 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?
References: <20081202213513.Q3N5T.131585.root@cdptpa-web21-z01><60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F4F2@dsimail.ad.garmin.com><9B6CE83D065E4D81B3EE9A98DE04E376@bob><DFB8634D699B4A869DB7C3E959971F5B@ROSS>
	<5600096B7E9149FBAE742613B6050509@bob>
Message-ID: <000e01c958ea$863fa7c0$6701a8c0@DELL4600>

Concours is Monday


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Hokanson" <tgrrr at peoplepc.com>
To: "Tigers" <tigers at autox.team.net>; "Ross" <ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?


> Preliminary schedule shows 2 days of autocross and no concours. Did 
> somebody finally get priorities right?
> This could be worth the tow!

From gharlowe at comcast.net  Mon Dec  8 17:29:44 2008
From: gharlowe at comcast.net (gharlowe at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:29:44 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Soft Top Boot
In-Reply-To: <493BC146.60308@elams.org>
Message-ID: <0D0F64CFABCB49ECA0B05481C20A73F4@gharlowe9h3kpn>

Listers -

I'm slowly reinstalling the interior on my car (it's been a looong time).
I'm having a local upholsterer replace the zippers on the original soft top
boot.  Should the zippers "zip" closed from the inside corner of the car
toward the outside corner, or reverse?

Any advice how to install the boot?  It looks like there are small "points"
punched inward in the sheetmetal to hook the vinyl boot along the top of the
package tray compartment (the round bulkhead separating the package tray
from soft top well).  Is glue used or any other fasteners?


Thanks much, as always.

Cheers,

Graham
B382001466

From DJoh797014 at aol.com  Mon Dec  8 18:36:26 2008
From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:36:26 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Soft Top Boot
Message-ID: <c6e.30972d7a.366f259a@aol.com>

The zippers go from the inside corner to the outside.
 
The punched pointed barbs will eventually rip through the boot  fabric.
My original boot is perfect except for the rips.  So I simply put  some
snaps where the barbs went and then put the other half of the snap
in the boot with reinforcement.  Black snaps of course.  May  not
pass the concurs, but it works. and can't be seen unless you
remove the boot roll.
 
Dave - panning on going to SUNI hopefully in my Tiger.
 
 
In a message dated 12/8/2008 6:25:56 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
gharlowe at comcast.net writes:

Listers  -

I'm slowly reinstalling the interior on my car (it's been a looong  time).
I'm having a local upholsterer replace the zippers on the original  soft top
boot.  Should the zippers "zip" closed from the inside corner  of the car
toward the outside corner, or reverse?

Any advice how to  install the boot?  It looks like there are small "points"
punched  inward in the sheetmetal to hook the vinyl boot along the top of  the
package tray compartment (the round bulkhead separating the package  tray
from soft top well).  Is glue used or any other  fasteners?


Thanks much, as  always.

Cheers,

Graham
B382001466
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From rcsphx at qwest.net  Tue Dec  9 15:23:39 2008
From: rcsphx at qwest.net (Richard)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:23:39 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] blower resistor
Message-ID: <FDE0EA715A594E8D9FF6662F0982CC69@D4TDG641>

As you may remember my heater blower motor recently locked up, and I was lucky
enough to get a replacement one from Tod Brown, which works great.  During the
bench test to check everything out before I put it back in, I noticed that the
resistor was getting hot.  When set on the low speed it got extremely hot.  To
hot to touch.

First question is it normal for it to get that hot?  And if you think its
shot, what can I use as a replacement

As always

Thanks

Richard

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Tue Dec  9 15:54:13 2008
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:54:13 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] blower resistor
References: <FDE0EA715A594E8D9FF6662F0982CC69@D4TDG641>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F53F@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

The resistor is doing what it's supposed to, and it will get pretty
toasty in the process. However, it should not be in the circuit at all
at the high fan speed, so if it gets warm when the fan is on high you
might have a wiring problem.

I forget offhand what the power rating and resistance of the fan
resistor is. If those values are printed on the resistor (if they
haven't been burned off) then you should measure the voltage across the
resistor when the fan is in the low speed setting and you can calculate
the power being dissipated as
P = V x V / R, where V is the voltage across the two resistor terminals
and R is the resistance in ohms. If P exceeds the resistor's rating you
can expect it to get VERY hot, but even if you're at half the rated
power it can get to 60+ degrees C (that would be 140+ Fahrenheit) and
you'll leave your fingerprints on the resistor if you touch it.

Cheers,
Theo
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard
> Sent: December 9, 2008 3:24 PM
> To: Tiger List
> Subject: [Tigers] blower resistor
>
> As you may remember my heater blower motor recently locked
> up, and I was lucky enough to get a replacement one from Tod
> Brown, which works great.  During the bench test to check
> everything out before I put it back in, I noticed that the
> resistor was getting hot.  When set on the low speed it got
> extremely hot.  To hot to touch.
>
> First question is it normal for it to get that hot?  And if
> you think its shot, what can I use as a replacement
>
> As always
>
> Thanks
>
> Richard
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From alittlemoreink at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 10 09:42:56 2008
From: alittlemoreink at hotmail.com (John Crawley)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:42:56 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Soft top boot
In-Reply-To: <mailman.19.1228849203.6683.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.19.1228849203.6683.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <COL106-W301BEB9BA9A984FA5F2588DBFB0@phx.gbl>

Graham:
On my car I sewed the soft-top-boot to the vinyl that covers the metal trim
around the back of the cockpit. I then covered the metal trim and pressed the
metal points through the soft-top-boot. The sewing takes the strain and the
metal pins through the boot look original.
Godspeed
Jc

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Message: 1> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:29:44 -0500> From:
<gharlowe at comcast.net>> Subject: [Tigers] Soft Top Boot> To:
<tigers at autox.team.net>> Message-ID:
<0D0F64CFABCB49ECA0B05481C20A73F4 at gharlowe9h3kpn>> Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"> > Listers -> > I'm slowly reinstalling the interior on my
car (it's been a looong time).> I'm having a local upholsterer replace the
zippers on the original soft top> boot. Should the zippers "zip" closed from
the inside corner of the car> toward the outside corner, or reverse?> > Any
advice how to install the boot? It looks like there are small "points">
punched inward in the sheetmetal to hook the vinyl boot along the top of the>
package tray compartment (the round bulkhead separating the package tray> from
soft top well). Is glue used or any other fasteners?> > > Thanks much, as
always.> > Cheers,> > Graham> B382001466> > > ------------------------------>
> Message: 2> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:36:26 EST> From: DJoh797014 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Soft Top Boot> To: gharlowe at comcast.net,
tigers at autox.team.net> Message-ID: <c6e.30972d7a.366f259a at aol.com>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > The zippers go from the inside
corner to the outside.> > The punched pointed barbs will eventually rip
through the boot fabric.> My original boot is perfect except for the rips. So
I simply put some> snaps where the barbs went and then put the other half of
the snap> in the boot with reinforcement. Black snaps of course. May not> pass
the concurs, but it works. and can't be seen unless you> remove the boot
roll.> > Dave - panning on going to SUNI hopefully in my Tiger.> > > In a
message dated 12/8/2008 6:25:56 P.M. Central Standard Time, >
gharlowe at comcast.net writes:> > Listers -> > I'm slowly reinstalling the
interior on my car (it's been a looong time).> I'm having a local upholsterer
replace the zippers on the original soft top> boot. Should the zippers "zip"
closed from the inside corner of the car> toward the outside corner, or
reverse?> > Any advice how to install the boot? It looks like there are small
"points"> punched inward in the sheetmetal to hook the vinyl boot along the
top of the> package tray compartment (the round bulkhead separating the
package tray> from soft top well). Is glue used or any other fasteners?> > >
Thanks much, as always.> > Cheers,> > Graham> B382001466>
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From Cushcom1 at aol.com  Wed Dec 10 11:43:50 2008
From: Cushcom1 at aol.com (Cushcom1 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:43:50 EST
Subject: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
Message-ID: <cf5.42b67e16.367167e6@aol.com>

Have any listers out there any information on Tiger Mk1 vin#B9473214? I am  
looking to possibly purchase this car for a client. It is listed at Fantasy  
Junction.com and looks to be a pretty nice car. High asking price, but pretty  
complete, except for things like no brake boostef, alternator instead of  
generator, wrong heater valve/location.
 
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Wed Dec 10 12:36:27 2008
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:36:27 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Crossmember install
Message-ID: <d43.2e502d18.3671743b@aol.com>

I've had my crossmember in and out a few times, but always with the  A-arms 
off.  In trying to install it now with the A arms on I can't find an  angle to 
squeeze it in...A-arms hitting on frame rail.  Okay guys, what's  the trick?  
It came out okay in one piece:-)
M
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 15:55:04 2008
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:55:04 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
In-Reply-To: <cf5.42b67e16.367167e6@aol.com>
References: <cf5.42b67e16.367167e6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0812101455k6f5aca9dr4d903579ee5aef68@mail.gmail.com>

Here is a link to the car:

http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/155-Sunbeam-Tiger%20Series%20I-260%20c.i.d.%20Ford%20V8

Its a ncie looking car.. and i believe was the one in the photos of the
subway get smart promotion.. not sure if they gave away "that" car.. but ws
sin the photos. Perhaps the winner is onselling.. the price is certainly
cheaper than before.


Apart from the dash, water and ammeter gauges looks quite original with a
few nice LAT options. Has had the tags off at one point looking at JAl and
Vin plates.. if it passed a TAC inspection id say its a very nice car.




2008/12/11 <Cushcom1 at aol.com>

> Have any listers out there any information on Tiger Mk1 vin#B9473214? I am
> looking to possibly purchase this car for a client. It is listed at Fantasy
> Junction.com and looks to be a pretty nice car. High asking price, but
> pretty
> complete, except for things like no brake boostef, alternator instead of
> generator, wrong heater valve/location.
>
> Many thanks and happy holiday greetings from the  tigerman
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From gswaybright at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 10 16:05:29 2008
From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:05:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a0812101455k6f5aca9dr4d903579ee5aef68@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <924538.20628.qm@web31703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Nice looking car, though shouldn't that VIN# have round corner hood and doors???


--- On Wed, 12/10/08, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
> To: Cushcom1 at aol.com
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 5:55 PM
> Here is a link to the car:
> 
> http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/155-Sunbeam-Tiger%20Series%20I-260%20c.i.d.%20Ford%20V8
> 
> Its a ncie looking car.. and i believe was the one in the
> photos of the
> subway get smart promotion.. not sure if they gave away
> "that" car.. but ws
> sin the photos. Perhaps the winner is onselling.. the price
> is certainly
> cheaper than before.
> 
> 
> Apart from the dash, water and ammeter gauges looks quite
> original with a
> few nice LAT options. Has had the tags off at one point
> looking at JAl and
> Vin plates.. if it passed a TAC inspection id say its a
> very nice car.

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 16:10:21 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:10:21 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Crossmember install
In-Reply-To: <d43.2e502d18.3671743b@aol.com>
References: <d43.2e502d18.3671743b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b0812101510u41fdc208hdc11d66822a08429@mail.gmail.com>

are you sure the crossmember has not collapsed inward?  is the
dimension from shock tower to shock tower within specification?  it
should fit ok.  i usually use a chain around the sway bar to hold the
crossmember level as i jack it up to the frame rails.

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 7:36 PM,  <CoolVT at aol.com> wrote:
> I've had my crossmember in and out a few times, but always with the  A-arms
> off.  In trying to install it now with the A arms on I can't find an  angle to
> squeeze it in...A-arms hitting on frame rail.  Okay guys, what's  the trick?
> It came out okay in one piece:-)
> M
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From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com  Wed Dec 10 16:30:44 2008
From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:30:44 EST
Subject: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
Message-ID: <c2e.446ddbc7.3671ab24@aol.com>

According to the BON S/N B9473101 through B9473767 were crossover bodies  and 
had square corners on the doors and the hood. They still had the metal  
convertible top covers, however. the badges on the side and trunk lid were  changed 
to "Sunbeam 260".
 
Fred Baum
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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 10 16:56:44 2008
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary Crandall)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:56:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a0812101455k6f5aca9dr4d903579ee5aef68@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <105909.36372.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Get a load of the exhaust system, especially the block off tube between the two headers. I've never seen anything like that. That looks awefully inefficient.

--- On Wed, 12/10/08, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:

From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
To: Cushcom1 at aol.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 2:55 PM

Here is a link to the car:

http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/155-Sunbeam-Tiger%20Series%20I-260%20c.i.d.%20Ford%20V8

Its a ncie looking car.. and i believe was the one in the photos of the
subway get smart promotion.. not sure if they gave away "that" car..
but ws
sin the photos. Perhaps the winner is onselling.. the price is certainly
cheaper than before.


Apart from the dash, water and ammeter gauges looks quite original with a
few nice LAT options. Has had the tags off at one point looking at JAl and
Vin plates.. if it passed a TAC inspection id say its a very nice car.




2008/12/11 <Cushcom1 at aol.com>

> Have any listers out there any information on Tiger Mk1 vin#B9473214? I am
> looking to possibly purchase this car for a client. It is listed at
Fantasy
> Junction.com and looks to be a pretty nice car. High asking price, but
> pretty
> complete, except for things like no brake boostef, alternator instead of
> generator, wrong heater valve/location.
>
> Many thanks and happy holiday greetings from the  tigerman
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Wed Dec 10 17:00:54 2008
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:00:54 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
References: <105909.36372.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F554@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

I interpreted it as an innovative (but not necessarily effective) H-pipe
crossover system. What's curious about it is that the collectors are
canted so far inward that the side-outs align with the original frame
pass throughs. The original Bellanger headers were arranged that way...
Maybe these are real bellangers or carbon copies?

Theo
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Crandall
> Sent: December 10, 2008 4:57 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
>
> Get a load of the exhaust system, especially the block off
> tube between the two headers. I've never seen anything like
> that. That looks awefully inefficient.
> tion id say its a very nice car.

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 17:02:14 2008
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:02:14 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
In-Reply-To: <105909.36372.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <d86d088a0812101455k6f5aca9dr4d903579ee5aef68@mail.gmail.com>
	<105909.36372.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0812101602q678b20b8w16f4dde3022aa93e@mail.gmail.com>

2008/12/11 Gary Crandall <maliburevue at yahoo.com>

> Get a load of the exhaust system, especially the block off tube between the
> two headers. I've never seen anything like that. That looks awefully
> inefficient.
>
Looks like an original set of LAt headers.. that have the side exit exhaust
fittings.. seems they screwed up and capped the straight system and have
taken the exhaust out the side exit attachment...oooppss!!



>
> --
> Regards
>
> Michael King

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Wed Dec 10 17:12:30 2008
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:12:30 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
References: <d86d088a0812101455k6f5aca9dr4d903579ee5aef68@mail.gmail.com><105909.36372.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<d86d088a0812101602q678b20b8w16f4dde3022aa93e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F556@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

That was the way they were designed to work. The idea was that you'd
have a proper exhaust for the street, but you could go to the track,
take off the endcaps, and enjoy straight-pipe bliss.

Having done dyno testing (on 4-cylinder engines) with nothing on the end
of the collector, I can report that "deafening" doesn't cut it as an
adequate description, especially if you were to be sitting straight over
where the pipes end. IIRC, we measured about 114 dBA about 50 feet back
from the exhaust system.

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael king
> Sent: December 10, 2008 5:02 PM
> To: maliburevue at yahoo.com
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
>
> 2008/12/11 Gary Crandall <maliburevue at yahoo.com>
>
> > Get a load of the exhaust system, especially the block off tube
> > between the two headers. I've never seen anything like that. That
> > looks awefully inefficient.
> >
> Looks like an original set of LAt headers.. that have the
> side exit exhaust fittings.. seems they screwed up and capped
> the straight system and have taken the exhaust out the side
> exit attachment...oooppss!!
>
>
>
> >
> > --
> > Regards
> >
> > Michael King
> _______________________________________________

From DJoh797014 at aol.com  Wed Dec 10 18:06:24 2008
From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:06:24 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Crossmember install
Message-ID: <c3b.4d7cc282.3671c190@aol.com>

If your upper A-arma are hitting the frame, it a good indication
that your shock towers have sagged inwards.   A common  problem
with Tigers and Mustangs.  Since your cross member is off
measure the distance between the towers.  The shop manual  has
the measuremenst.  A good frameshop can press them back out.  
If you have not done so, read the Tech tips on reinforcing the shock 
towers.  Sagging shock towers is not a big deal.  All  Tigers
eventually get this problem.
 
I strongly recommend making and installing John Logan's tech
tip about reinforcing the lower fulcrum pin
 
 
In a message dated 12/10/2008 1:37:16 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
CoolVT at aol.com writes:

I've had  my crossmember in and out a few times, but always with the  A-arms  
off.  In trying to install it now with the A arms on I can't find  an  angle 
to 
squeeze it in...A-arms hitting on frame rail.  Okay  guys, what's  the trick? 
 
It came out okay in one  piece:-)
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From DJoh797014 at aol.com  Wed Dec 10 18:19:36 2008
From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:19:36 EST
Subject: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
Message-ID: <d5d.2b9f4ae7.3671c4a8@aol.com>

Your're looking at what looks like the LAT side out headers.  When you  want 
make
nice sounds undo the dump plate and the exhaust dumps straight out.   Put the
plate bak on and your exhaust and mufflers are working again.  There  are 
books
written about whether the lack of back presuure loses or gains HP.   But you
can't beat the sound.  My Tiger had them but they are rusting  through.
 
Dave
 
 
In a message dated 12/10/2008 5:57:28 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
maliburevue at yahoo.com writes:

Get a  load of the exhaust system, especially the block off tube between the 
two  headers. I've never seen anything like that. That looks awefully  
inefficient.

--- On Wed, 12/10/08, michael king  <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:

From: michael king  <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
To:  Cushcom1 at aol.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, December 10,  2008, 2:55 PM

Here is a link to the  car:

http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/155-Sunbeam-Tiger%20Series%20I-260%20c.i.d
.%20Ford%20V8

Its  a ncie looking car.. and i believe was the one in the photos of the
subway  get smart promotion.. not sure if they gave away "that" car..
but ws
sin  the photos. Perhaps the winner is onselling.. the price is  certainly
cheaper than before.


Apart from the dash, water and  ammeter gauges looks quite original with a
few nice LAT options. Has had  the tags off at one point looking at JAl and
Vin plates.. if it passed a  TAC inspection id say its a very nice car.




2008/12/11  <Cushcom1 at aol.com>

> Have any listers out there any  information on Tiger Mk1 vin#B9473214? I am
> looking to possibly  purchase this car for a client. It is listed at
Fantasy
>  Junction.com and looks to be a pretty nice car. High asking price, but
>  pretty
> complete, except for things like no brake boostef, alternator  instead of
> generator, wrong heater valve/location.
>
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From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec 10 18:54:21 2008
From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:54:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F554@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <643805.75760.qm@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Many years ago (probably 18-20 by now) I bought a set of the same headers
(with the side outs) from Sunbeam Specialties... or maybe it was CAT?.  Have
it in my records somewhere, but not handy at the moment.  At any rate, I was
younger then and figured I'd be wanting to uncork them on occasion and prove
my manliness or whatever.  Needless to say... I've never done so.

Since it took me almost 20 years to restore my Mark II, and I only have about
1,000 miles on the car since it was finished, the headers have not seen much
use.  I've kicked myself for buying them, as I never have gotten into racing
of any type and they are obviously not very efficient with the side "exit"
continuing on through the stock exhaust passages.  I had them Jet Hot coated
(still in perfect condition).

I believe they are the "LAT" style headers.  I never installed the "H"
crossover like the one in the car currently for sale.  Not sure it actually
has the same benefit as a "proper" crossover on the flow-thru header design. 
In any event: if some one is interested my set of the "high performance" LAT
headers with the cutouts (perfect for a weekend racer), let me know.  I might
consider taking them off this winter and buying a "standard" set to replace
them.

Bill
Grand Rapids, MI

--- On Wed, 12/10/08, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:
From: Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
To: maliburevue at yahoo.com, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 7:00 PM

I interpreted it as an innovative (but not necessarily effective) H-pipe
crossover system. What's curious about it is that the collectors are
canted so far inward that the side-outs align with the original frame
pass throughs. The original Bellanger headers were arranged that way...
Maybe these are real bellangers or carbon copies?

Theo
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Crandall
> Sent: December 10, 2008 4:57 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
>
> Get a load of the exhaust system, especially the block off
> tube between the two headers. I've never seen anything like
> that. That looks awefully inefficient.
> tion id say its a very nice car.
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Dec 10 18:58:40 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:58:40 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
In-Reply-To: <105909.36372.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <105909.36372.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <494073D0.6040809@mayfco.com>

Headers are not Bellanger, lol. I have an original set (now jet hot 
coated). The side out is on the inside where this is on the outside of 
the header. They come back more in a straight line and yes the side out 
does line up correctly. I have no idea what this exhaust is trying to 
do.  When I would make my saturday night runs in the middle of Santa 
Maria ca with the headers open, yes they were loud, lol...  But, I was 
never caught!

mayf

mayf
Gary Crandall wrote:

>Get a load of the exhaust system, especially the block off tube between the two headers. I've never seen anything like that. That looks awefully inefficient.
>
>--- On Wed, 12/10/08, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
>To: Cushcom1 at aol.com
>Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
>Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 2:55 PM
>
>Here is a link to the car:
>
>http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/155-Sunbeam-Tiger%20Series%20I-260%20c.i.d.%20Ford%20V8
>
>Its a ncie looking car.. and i believe was the one in the photos of the
>subway get smart promotion.. not sure if they gave away "that" car..
>but ws
>sin the photos. Perhaps the winner is onselling.. the price is certainly
>cheaper than before.
>
>
>Apart from the dash, water and ammeter gauges looks quite original with a
>few nice LAT options. Has had the tags off at one point looking at JAl and
>Vin plates.. if it passed a TAC inspection id say its a very nice car.
>
>
>
>
>2008/12/11 <Cushcom1 at aol.com>
>
>  
>
>>Have any listers out there any information on Tiger Mk1 vin#B9473214? I am
>>looking to possibly purchase this car for a client. It is listed at
>>    
>>
>Fantasy
>  
>
>>Junction.com and looks to be a pretty nice car. High asking price, but
>>pretty
>>complete, except for things like no brake boostef, alternator instead of
>>generator, wrong heater valve/location.
>>
>>Many thanks and happy holiday greetings from the  tigerman
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From sjhcobra1 at cs.com  Wed Dec 10 19:00:31 2008
From: sjhcobra1 at cs.com (sjhcobra1 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:00:31 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
In-Reply-To: <105909.36372.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CB294B618FBC76-1748-1421@WEBMAIL-MY12.sysops.aol.com>

I've never seen the crossover set up but the headers are the LAT 73s which I believe were Sanderson headers.? I have?sets on my Mk1 and Mk2.? 

Steve Halbrook







-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Crandall <maliburevue at yahoo.com>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 6:56 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] VIN # INFO



Get a load of the exhaust system, especially the block off tube between the two 
headers. I've never seen anything like that. That looks awefully inefficient.

--- On Wed, 12/10/08, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:

From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
To: Cushcom1 at aol.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 2:55 PM

Here is a link to the car:

http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/155-Sunbeam-Tiger%20Series%20I-260%20c.i.d.%20Ford%20V8

Its a ncie looking car.. and i believe was the one in the photos of the
subway get smart promotion.. not sure if they gave away "that" car..
but ws
sin the photos. Perhaps the winner is onselling.. the price is certainly
cheaper than before.


Apart from the dash, water and ammeter gauges looks quite original with a
few nice LAT options. Has had the tags off at one point looking at JAl and
Vin plates.. if it passed a TAC inspection id say its a very nice car.




2008/12/11 <Cushcom1 at aol.com>

> Have any listers out there any information on Tiger Mk1 vin#B9473214? I am
> looking to possibly purchase this car for a client. It is listed at
Fantasy
> Junction.com and looks to be a pretty nice car. High asking price, but
> pretty
> complete, except for things like no brake boostef, alternator instead of
> generator, wrong heater valve/location.
>
> Many thanks and happy holiday greetings from the  tigerman
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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 10 19:05:54 2008
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary Crandall)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:05:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
In-Reply-To: <d5d.2b9f4ae7.3671c4a8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <78161.21372.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I am fully aware of the side out headers, just not the funky cross over tube
that the guy has installed between the collectors. I've only seen the side out
headers with block off plates on each collector. Personally, I have an H-pipe
on my car after the headers and before the X-frame and love the sound.

--- On Wed, 12/10/08, DJoh797014 at aol.com <DJoh797014 at aol.com> wrote:

From: DJoh797014 at aol.com <DJoh797014 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
To: maliburevue at yahoo.com, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 5:19 PM



Your're looking at what looks like the LAT side out headers.  When you want
make
nice sounds undo the dump plate and the exhaust dumps straight out.  Put the
plate bak on and your exhaust and mufflers are working again.  There are
books
written about whether the lack of back presuure loses or gains HP.  But you
can't beat the sound.  My Tiger had them but they are rusting through.
 
Dave
 

In a message dated 12/10/2008 5:57:28 P.M. Central Standard Time,
maliburevue at yahoo.com writes:
Get a load of the exhaust system, especially the block off tube between the
two headers. I've never seen anything like that. That looks awefully
inefficient.

--- On Wed, 12/10/08, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:

From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
To: Cushcom1 at aol.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 2:55 PM

Here is a link to the car:

http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/155-Sunbeam-Tiger%20Series%20I-260%20c.i.
d.%20Ford%20V8

Its a ncie looking car.. and i believe was the one in the photos of the
subway get smart promotion.. not sure if they gave away "that" car..
but ws
sin the photos. Perhaps the winner is onselling.. the price is certainly
cheaper than before.


Apart from the dash, water and ammeter gauges looks quite original with a
few nice LAT options. Has had the tags off at one point looking at JAl and
Vin plates.. if it passed a TAC inspection id say its a very nice car.




2008/12/11 <Cushcom1 at aol.com>

> Have any listers out there any information on Tiger Mk1 vin#B9473214? I am
> looking to possibly purchase this car for a client. It is listed at
Fantasy
> Junction.com and looks to be a pretty nice car. High asking price, but
> pretty
> complete, except for things like no brake boostef, alternator instead of
> generator, wrong heater valve/location.
>
> Many thanks and happy holiday greetings from the  tigerman
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From harryb at elams.org  Wed Dec 10 19:24:48 2008
From: harryb at elams.org (Harry B. Elam)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:24:48 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger crossmember
Message-ID: <494079F0.7040307@elams.org>

I too have removed and reinstalled the front cross member in both my 
tigers. I have only done this with both A-arms in place, and normally 
with the tires in place. There have been times when there was binding. 
In every case the angle was wrong. I usually have the body suspended 
from above or stationary on jack stands. I have used a floor jack to 
rotate the front suspension to the appropriate angle to slip past the 
frame rails. I actually believe that having the tires in place is a plus.

Contact me off line if you wish more details.

Harry Elam
B382002027  Long gone
B382000471 my only street car.

From geowiz.sgy at cox.net  Wed Dec 10 20:41:47 2008
From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:41:47 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] fulcrum pins and crossmember
Message-ID: <477159EF8A82486D8F9AE92822C92EAF@JEPHome>

OK, I know this has been discussed a THOUSAND times, but I never paid
attention.  Tigger comes home from the paint shop tomorrow (looks fabulous).
Now it is time to piece it back together.  I'll be installing Dale's Ackerman
kit.  I figure I should replace the fulcrum pins while I'm at it.  I don't see
them in the SS catalog.  Where is a source?  Also, I swear there where
instructions on strengthening the cross member at Tigers United, but I can't
find it.  A little help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!

Jim Pickard
B9473298 ('65 Tiger)
AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold
2003 Mini Cooper
Lafayette, LA

From 65tiger at comcast.net  Wed Dec 10 20:53:06 2008
From: 65tiger at comcast.net (65tiger at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 03:53:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a0812101455k6f5aca9dr4d903579ee5aef68@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1274622401.2701701228967586218.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

The broker tries to appear knowledgeable of this car but refers to the 
"frame off" restoration twice. 

Curtis 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com> 
To: Cushcom1 at aol.com 
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:55:04 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] VIN # INFO 

Here is a link to the car: 

http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/155-Sunbeam-Tiger%20Series%20I-260%20c.i.d.%20Ford%20V8 

Its a ncie looking car.. and i believe was the one in the photos of the 
subway get smart promotion.. not sure if they gave away "that" car.. but ws 
sin the photos. Perhaps the winner is onselling.. the price is certainly 
cheaper than before. 


Apart from the dash, water and ammeter gauges looks quite original with a 
few nice LAT options. Has had the tags off at one point looking at JAl and 
Vin plates.. if it passed a TAC inspection id say its a very nice car. 




2008/12/11 <Cushcom1 at aol.com> 

> Have any listers out there any information on Tiger Mk1 vin#B9473214? I am 
> looking to possibly purchase this car for a client. It is listed at Fantasy 
> Junction.com and looks to be a pretty nice car. High asking price, but 
> pretty 
> complete, except for things like no brake boostef, alternator instead of 
> generator, wrong heater valve/location. 
> 
> Many thanks and happy holiday greetings from the tigerman 
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From mwood24020 at aol.com  Wed Dec 10 21:42:04 2008
From: mwood24020 at aol.com (mwood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:42:04 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
In-Reply-To: <1274622401.2701701228967586218.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8CB2961F2F12D7A-1430-520@FWM-M21.sysops.aol.com>

Not sure why he refers to "frame off", as the owner of Fantasy Junction, Bruce Trenery, knows better, having?had a Tiger for many, many years...even after he started brokering big dollar Ferraris and the like, his wife wouldn't let him sell it, as it was "her car" ;-)

I believe they did finally sell the Tiger in the late '90s.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: 65tiger at comcast.net
To: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
Cc: Cushcom1 at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:53 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] VIN # INFO



The broker tries to appear knowledgeable of this car but refers to the 
"frame off" restoration twice. 

Curtis 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com> 
To: Cushcom1 at aol.com 
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:55:04 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific 
Subject: Re: [Tigers] VIN # INFO 

Here is a link to the car: 

http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/155-Sunbeam-Tiger%20Series%20I-260%20c.i.d.%20Ford%20V8 


Its a ncie looking car.. and i believe was the one in the photos of the 
subway get smart promotion.. not sure if they gave away "that" car.. but ws 
sin the photos. Perhaps the winner is onselling.. the price is certainly 
cheaper than before. 


Apart from the dash, water and ammeter gauges looks quite original with a 
few nice LAT options. Has had the tags off at one point looking at JAl and 
Vin plates.. if it passed a TAC inspection id say its a very nice car. 




2008/12/11 <Cushcom1 at aol.com> 

> Have any listers out there any information on Tiger Mk1 vin#B9473214? I am 
> looking to possibly purchase this car for a client. It is listed at Fantasy 
> Junction.com and looks to be a pretty nice car. High asking price, but 
> pretty 
> complete, except for things like no brake boostef, alternator instead of 
> generator, wrong heater valve/location. 
> 
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From robin02 at mindspring.com  Wed Dec 10 21:54:41 2008
From: robin02 at mindspring.com (Robin Young)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:54:41 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] fulcrum pins and crossmember
In-Reply-To: <477159EF8A82486D8F9AE92822C92EAF@JEPHome>
References: <477159EF8A82486D8F9AE92822C92EAF@JEPHome>
Message-ID: <EE8DA22509A14E069196ED30A89A5361@RobinLaptop>

Jim the fix is in the CAT book. I believe it was John Crawley that did the
first strengthening. I believe the coupling that is added to the fulcrum is
a far better design that any other fix.  It is used on heavier vehicles
quite often. Let me know if you would like  a photo of the fix. Robin Young


OK, I know this has been discussed a THOUSAND times, but I never paid
attention.  Tigger comes home from the paint shop tomorrow (looks fabulous).
Now it is time to piece it back together.  I'll be installing Dale's
Ackerman kit.  I figure I should replace the fulcrum pins while I'm at it.
I don't see them in the SS catalog.  Where is a source?  Also, I swear there
where instructions on strengthening the cross member at Tigers United, but I
can't find it.  A little help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!

Jim Pickard
B9473298 ('65 Tiger)
AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold
2003 Mini Cooper
Lafayette, LA

From banana111 at msn.com  Wed Dec 10 22:24:28 2008
From: banana111 at msn.com (Brent Edinger)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:24:28 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Subway Tiger
Message-ID: <BLU133-DS79B9B952B6E6B7C6F89B2F7F80@phx.gbl>

Did anyone find out who won the Subway contest for the Tiger?


                                    Brent

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Dec 10 22:31:49 2008
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:31:49 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Subway Tiger
In-Reply-To: <BLU133-DS79B9B952B6E6B7C6F89B2F7F80@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU133-DS79B9B952B6E6B7C6F89B2F7F80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0812102131p14845ceeu8b3e1563875c7754@mail.gmail.com>

The winner got listed on the SAOCA site in the tigers section
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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 11 01:26:25 2008
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary Crandall)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 00:26:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Rod and Clip
Message-ID: <654050.75633.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I am helping 2 friends with their Tigers. They both need the adjustable rod between the clutch lever arm and the slave cylinder. They also need the clip that holds the rod to the lever arm. If you can help, please email me offline. Thanks.

From harryb at elams.org  Thu Dec 11 03:35:13 2008
From: harryb at elams.org (Harry B. Elam)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 05:35:13 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] fulcrum pins and crossmember
Message-ID: <4940ECE1.7050707@elams.org>

Jim,
I sent my A-arms to Doug Jennings. He removed the old fulcrum pins and replaced them with his new ones, along with the bushings. Neither Doug nor I could find anything wrong with the old ones but I decided to be safer. The originals had over 170K miles on them.

Harry Elam
B382000471

Message: 6
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:41:47 -0600
From: "James E. Pickard" <geowiz.sgy at cox.net>
Subject: [Tigers] fulcrum pins and crossmember
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>

.....I figure I should replace the fulcrum pins while I'm at it.  I don't see
them in the SS catalog.  Where is a source?  

Jim Pickard
B9473298 ('65 Tiger)

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Thu Dec 11 07:27:56 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:27:56 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
In-Reply-To: <8CB2961F2F12D7A-1430-520@FWM-M21.sysops.aol.com>
References: <1274622401.2701701228967586218.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<8CB2961F2F12D7A-1430-520@FWM-M21.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b0812110627w6c9b30dfj10bed67ebc8ff00d@mail.gmail.com>

pardon my ignorance.  what is the purpose of a crossover pipe between
the exhausts, anyway?

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 4:42 AM,  <mwood24020 at aol.com> wrote:
> Not sure why he refers to "frame off", as the owner of Fantasy Junction, Bruce Trenery, knows better, having?had a Tiger for many, many years...even after he started brokering big dollar Ferraris and the like, his wife wouldn't let him sell it, as it was "her car" ;-)
>
> I believe they did finally sell the Tiger in the late '90s.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 65tiger at comcast.net
> To: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
> Cc: Cushcom1 at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:53 pm
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
>
>
>
> The broker tries to appear knowledgeable of this car but refers to the
> "frame off" restoration twice.
>
> Curtis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "michael king" <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
> To: Cushcom1 at aol.com
> Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:55:04 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
>
> Here is a link to the car:
>
> http://www.fantasyjunction.com/cars/155-Sunbeam-Tiger%20Series%20I-260%20c.i.d.%20Ford%20V8
>
>
> Its a ncie looking car.. and i believe was the one in the photos of the
> subway get smart promotion.. not sure if they gave away "that" car.. but ws
> sin the photos. Perhaps the winner is onselling.. the price is certainly
> cheaper than before.
>
>
> Apart from the dash, water and ammeter gauges looks quite original with a
> few nice LAT options. Has had the tags off at one point looking at JAl and
> Vin plates.. if it passed a TAC inspection id say its a very nice car.
>
>
>
>
> 2008/12/11 <Cushcom1 at aol.com>
>
>> Have any listers out there any information on Tiger Mk1 vin#B9473214? I am
>> looking to possibly purchase this car for a client. It is listed at Fantasy
>> Junction.com and looks to be a pretty nice car. High asking price, but
>> pretty
>> complete, except for things like no brake boostef, alternator instead of
>> generator, wrong heater valve/location.
>>
>> Many thanks and happy holiday greetings from the tigerman
>> **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and
>> favorite sites in one place. Try it now.
>> (
>> http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010
>
>> )
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>
>
>
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>
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From cmccann at lwpb.com  Thu Dec 11 07:53:18 2008
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:53:18 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
In-Reply-To: <39a841b0812110627w6c9b30dfj10bed67ebc8ff00d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1274622401.2701701228967586218.JavaMail.root@sz0039a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<8CB2961F2F12D7A-1430-520@FWM-M21.sysops.aol.com>
	<39a841b0812110627w6c9b30dfj10bed67ebc8ff00d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD684709064733EF16D4ED@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

....at least in late model performance like my 5.0 mustang, we have "H" pipes
and "X" pipes...and I think its meant to equalize the harmonics of the exhaust
pulsing between the two banks...which improves exhaust flow effeciency...very
slightly I'll bet. It was said earlier and I'll agree, the engines do seem to
sound alot better with it installed...IMO






Subject: Re: [Tigers] VIN # INFO

pardon my ignorance.  what is the purpose of a crossover pipe between
the exhausts, anyway?

From tcprager at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 11 08:00:07 2008
From: tcprager at hotmail.com (Thomas Prager)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:00:07 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] video of Tiger idling
Message-ID: <BAY142-DS6F0A3C1F7BA6E0C84AAA1CBF80@phx.gbl>

I have posted a short video clip of my Tiger idling and it does have a
crossover tube. Nice music!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cml27MdHQOg<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cml
27MdHQOg>

tom

From jim at island.net  Thu Dec 11 08:07:39 2008
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:07:39 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
In-Reply-To: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD684709064733EF16D4ED@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>
Message-ID: <002801c95ba2$36058210$4101a8c0@JIMPC>

I've always been of the understanding that a given engine would produce
slightly more torque with a crossover tube... and that the closer it was to
the engine, the more effective it would be... Having said that, I haven't
seen any data to back it up...!

Jim
B38200446



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Cullen McCann
Sent: December 11, 2008 6:53 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] VIN # INFO

....at least in late model performance like my 5.0 mustang, we have "H"
pipes
and "X" pipes...and I think its meant to equalize the harmonics of the
exhaust
pulsing between the two banks...which improves exhaust flow
effeciency...very
slightly I'll bet. It was said earlier and I'll agree, the engines do seem
to
sound alot better with it installed...IMO






Subject: Re: [Tigers] VIN # INFO

pardon my ignorance.  what is the purpose of a crossover pipe between
the exhausts, anyway?
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Thu Dec 11 08:17:25 2008
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:17:25 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
References: <002801c95ba2$36058210$4101a8c0@JIMPC>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F55B@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

David Vizard (of course) has done test and development on pretty much
everything to do with engines including exhaust systems. Someone posted
this scan of a Circle Track magazine article on exhaust systems by
David, and on page 10 there is mention of balance tubes - not
specifically crossover pipes but some of the principles are the same.

http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/track/6992/vizard.html

If the link gets broken by the mailer then search Google for "David
Vizard exhaust".

Theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim
> Sent: December 11, 2008 8:08 AM
> To: 'Cullen McCann'; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
>
> I've always been of the understanding that a given engine
> would produce slightly more torque with a crossover tube...
> and that the closer it was to the engine, the more effective
> it would be... Having said that, I haven't seen any data to
> back it up...!
>
> Jim
> B38200446
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Cullen McCann
> Sent: December 11, 2008 6:53 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
>
> ....at least in late model performance like my 5.0 mustang,
> we have "H"
> pipes
> and "X" pipes...and I think its meant to equalize the
> harmonics of the exhaust pulsing between the two
> banks...which improves exhaust flow effeciency...very
> slightly I'll bet. It was said earlier and I'll agree, the
> engines do seem to sound alot better with it installed...IMO
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
>
> pardon my ignorance.  what is the purpose of a crossover pipe
> between the exhausts, anyway?
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Dec 11 08:25:00 2008
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:25:00 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Rod and Clip
In-Reply-To: <654050.75633.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C480CDDAB69B43D197913D4BD48CF677@ronpc1>

Gary
	SS lists the push rod; HA50 but I have no idea about the clip but
you can probably make one to work.
http://www.rootes.com/catalogindex.html

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmD7.asp

I highly recommend that the push rod be safety wired to the clutch arm just
in case of a failure in the system so this rod is not lost.

Ron Fraser


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From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Gary Crandall
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:26 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Clutch Rod and Clip


I am helping 2 friends with their Tigers. They both need the adjustable rod
between the clutch lever arm and the slave cylinder. They also need the clip
that holds the rod to the lever arm. If you can help, please email me
offline. Thanks. _______________________________________________
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From Cushcom1 at aol.com  Thu Dec 11 09:11:25 2008
From: Cushcom1 at aol.com (Cushcom1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:11:25 EST
Subject: [Tigers] COLOR INFO
Message-ID: <bf1.43b54275.367295ad@aol.com>

What Rootes color code is 82?
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Dec 11 09:26:17 2008
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:26:17 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] COLOR INFO
In-Reply-To: <bf1.43b54275.367295ad@aol.com>
Message-ID: <49AE0B3E086B49178A5936FC9839F069@ronpc1>

Color code 82 = Silver Grey Metallic, Ditzler # 32386

Ron Fraser

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On Behalf Of Cushcom1 at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 11:11 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] COLOR INFO


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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Thu Dec 11 09:58:52 2008
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:58:52 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] fulcrum pins and crossmember
References: <477159EF8A82486D8F9AE92822C92EAF@JEPHome>
Message-ID: <DDB50905D0C747B19EC4A5E995B7EFCD@student2>

List:
 I have sent James four pictures of my modified crossmember. If others have 
interest I'll send them out to you too (they can't be sent to the list). I 
applied both the Crawley and Logan recommendations.  I also added an 
internal brace to the shock tower and an anti rotate element to the piece 
that bridges the pin to the support.  While not ideal it should help keep 
things moving around a bit less.  The picture with the anti rotate also has 
a threaded rod with a tie rod end.  Ignore that.  That was necessitated by 
the fact that the rack arm was broken and I made an adjustable repair.
Tom Witt 


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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Thu Dec 11 12:38:19 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:38:19 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] fulcrum pins and crossmember
In-Reply-To: <477159EF8A82486D8F9AE92822C92EAF@JEPHome>
References: <477159EF8A82486D8F9AE92822C92EAF@JEPHome>
Message-ID: <49416C2B.4060402@SoCal.rr.com>

Jim, and Tigers,

There is, indeed, articles on the Tiger "Cross Member" (21 reference 
pages, including those by Larry Paulick and John Crawley.  Use the 
"Search" feature on the top header.  Use the quotation marks to search 
for both words together.

There are 30 references to "fulcrum pun". These include articles by John 
Logan, Tom Witt, Dan Walters, Larry Paulick, and the fabulous "Workshop 
Manual On Line".

When in doubt, the "Search" tool can find most anything on the site.

Steve

___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



James E. Pickard wrote:
> OK, I know this has been discussed a THOUSAND times, but I never paid
> attention.  Tigger comes home from the paint shop tomorrow (looks fabulous).
> Now it is time to piece it back together.  I'll be installing Dale's Ackerman
> kit.  I figure I should replace the fulcrum pins while I'm at it.  I don't see
> them in the SS catalog.  Where is a source?  Also, I swear there where
> instructions on strengthening the cross member at Tigers United, but I can't
> find it.  A little help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!
>
> Jim Pickard
> B9473298 ('65 Tiger)
> AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold
> 2003 Mini Cooper
> Lafayette, LA

From Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com  Thu Dec 11 13:02:08 2008
From: Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com (Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:02:08 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] color
In-Reply-To: <mailman.19.1229022002.22324.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OFA98A7FFA.0BF53B2C-ON8525751C.006DE571-8525751C.006E0F47@sybase.com>

> Color code 82 = Silver Grey Metallic, Ditzler # 32386

Does anyone know of a web site with color swatches?
Yes, I know they will never be 100% perfect but I'd like
to have an idea of what some of the codes look like.

thanks,

Paul

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Thu Dec 11 13:49:27 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:49:27 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] X-over pipes
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Owain,

With a V-8 the firing order alternates between left and right sides, as 
does a V-6. With dual exhaust systems this creates "pulses" of exhaust 
gas which differs between banks.  Some firing orders are not left-right 
uniformly.

The exhaust in each of the dual exhaust pipes is in "pulses", out of 
phase with each other.  This leaves a lower pressure space between each 
bank exhaust.  The X-Over connects these banks for the sole purpose of 
filling the "voids" from one out-of-sequence bank to the other. This 
should make the passage of gases more uniform between the banks, and can 
actually reduce noise, as well.  The sound may be mellower.

Many of the Sports and Muscle cars come with this pipe from the factory.

Interestingly enough, my '54 Jag XK 120 straight six had dual headers.  
They were split into 3 cylinders each and parallel pipes were run into a 
single muffler with twin fittings for the "banks".  The same rationale, 
except the "mixing" occurred inside the straight dual pipe mufflers.  
The harmonic sound was one of the best, and mellowest, I have ever 
heard.  The harmonic vibrations were transmitted through the floor 
boards to the driver's seat (LHD). Great!  In latter years they used 
separated mufflers, and that thrill was gone.

The Ferrari Testa Rosa (red head) was "straight pipe" exhaust with no 
mufflers (this was a competition car.)

Standing next to one when the throttle is pressed could tear out your heart!

Just rambling on the subject of why we like "pipes".  Listen to the Bill 
Cosby 33 1/3 album about his Cobra.

Steve

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Owain Lloyd wrote:
> pardon my ignorance.  what is the purpose of a crossover pipe between
> the exhausts, anyway?

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Thu Dec 11 13:54:55 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:54:55 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] video of Tiger idling
In-Reply-To: <BAY142-DS6F0A3C1F7BA6E0C84AAA1CBF80@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY142-DS6F0A3C1F7BA6E0C84AAA1CBF80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <49417E1F.5070504@SoCal.rr.com>

Tom,

Great sound.  Good Tiger You Tube site!

For some reason, in days past, the CHP and L.A. Police detested foreign 
cars, and hated sports cars.  You would not have gotten 10 blocks (or 
the first cruiser) without a ticket with that sound.  I am not sure what 
their attitude is, now.



Steve

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Thomas Prager wrote:
> I have posted a short video clip of my Tiger idling and it does have a
> crossover tube. Nice music!
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cml27MdHQOg>
>
> tom
> _______________________________________________

From sixtysixtiger at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 11 13:57:00 2008
From: sixtysixtiger at hotmail.com (Arden Bedell)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:57:00 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] color
In-Reply-To: <OFA98A7FFA.0BF53B2C-ON8525751C.006DE571-8525751C.006E0F47@sybase.com>
References: <OFA98A7FFA.0BF53B2C-ON8525751C.006DE571-8525751C.006E0F47@sybase.com>
Message-ID: <BAY121-DS35C355A1B83A2B93EC055AFF80@phx.gbl>

You can find pictures of the colors on Dupont's web site at the following 
web address:

http://pc.dupont.com/hcl/servlet/com.dpc.hcl.search.HclSearchServlet?Operation=102&carRegion=2&carType=Rootes

--------------------------------------------------
From: <Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:02 PM
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] color

>> Color code 82 = Silver Grey Metallic, Ditzler # 32386
>
> Does anyone know of a web site with color swatches?
> Yes, I know they will never be 100% perfect but I'd like
> to have an idea of what some of the codes look like.
>
> thanks,
>
> Paul
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Thu Dec 11 13:57:47 2008
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:57:47 EST
Subject: [Tigers] video of Tiger idling
Message-ID: <c3f.3c618de3.3672d8cb@aol.com>

I think much depends on how you treat the noise. I live in a pretty  quiet 
neighborhood and no one ever raises an eyebrow with my glasspaks.   But, do kind 
of idle through.
Now if someone has loud pipes and wants to show them off in quiet  places 
that's just asking for trouble.
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Dec 11 14:17:34 2008
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:17:34 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] color
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Message-ID: <97F49E2E5A0F4EB1939970EFDDCA8863@ronpc1>

Paul
	Here's one that you use Chrysler Imports under domestic and 1968 to
see the color charts with code numbers.

http://www.tcpglobal.com/autocolorlibrary/cgi-bin/search/search.pl

Here is one of the pages;
http://www.tcpglobal.com/aclchip.aspx?image=1968-chryslerimp-pg02.jpg


This site has a color chart with just the name of the paint color.

http://pc.dupont.com/hcl/servlet/com.dpc.hcl.search.HclSearchServlet?Operati
on=102&carRegion=2&carType=Rootes

These are both just copies of the paint books and therefore just references
to the colors.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Paul.Tonizzo at sybase.com
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:02 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] color


> Color code 82 = Silver Grey Metallic, Ditzler # 32386

Does anyone know of a web site with color swatches?
Yes, I know they will never be 100% perfect but I'd like
to have an idea of what some of the codes look like.

thanks,

Paul
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From Cushcom1 at aol.com  Thu Dec 11 14:24:03 2008
From: Cushcom1 at aol.com (Cushcom1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:24:03 EST
Subject: [Tigers] COLOR CODE 82
Message-ID: <c10.4dc8b85b.3672def3@aol.com>

Was color code 82 popular with Mk1 models? I don't recall ever seeing that  
color on ANY Tiger.
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Thu Dec 11 15:05:43 2008
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:05:43 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] COLOR CODE 82
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Message-ID: <BCC00CCE207A40E1958E64A2CC9F4EF4@ronpc1>

Tigerman
	Code 82 is not listed as a color for the Tiger or the Alpine as far
as I know.
Ron Fraser

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Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:24 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] COLOR CODE 82


Was color code 82 popular with Mk1 models? I don't recall ever seeing that
color on ANY Tiger.
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From DJoh797014 at aol.com  Thu Dec 11 17:54:55 2008
From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:54:55 EST
Subject: [Tigers] fulcrum pins and crossmember
Message-ID: <cf8.499d1a28.3673105f@aol.com>

Yes absolutely replace the fulcrum pins.  Doug Jennings sells high  strength
pins of 4140 steel. Replace the bushings with the poly bushings from  SS.
Consider new ball joints if you can find them  I believe that Dale  sells all
this too.
 
Dale's Ackerman kit is well thought of.  But I don't thing anyone has  ever 
done
a failure analysis on this new design.  No one wants to volunteer  their car.
The 'I think this should be OK' theory rules.
 
Why not drop the cross member and do the tech tip on welding the  shock
towers, etc.  When repainting the cross member, remember that the  SCCA
and others forbid powder coating suspension parts as it hides cracks.
 
I'll send John Logan's tech tip later.  New or used pins will fail  without 
warning.
Don't lose your life or car.  Make and install Logan's tech tip.
 
In a message dated 12/10/2008 9:42:30 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
geowiz.sgy at cox.net writes:

OK, I  know this has been discussed a THOUSAND times, but I never  paid
attention.  Tigger comes home from the paint shop tomorrow (looks  fabulous).
Now it is time to piece it back together.  I'll be  installing Dale's Ackerman
kit.  I figure I should replace the fulcrum  pins while I'm at it.  I don't 
see
them in the SS catalog.  Where  is a source?  Also, I swear there where
instructions on strengthening  the cross member at Tigers United, but I can't
find it.  A little help  would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!

Jim Pickard
B9473298  ('65 Tiger)
AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold
2003 Mini  Cooper
Lafayette,  LA
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From MTaylor at ea.com  Fri Dec 12 10:59:01 2008
From: MTaylor at ea.com (Taylor, Matthew)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:59:01 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
In-Reply-To: <494073D0.6040809@mayfco.com>
References: <105909.36372.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<494073D0.6040809@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <3FA9E5EE4E0C2F4C8A5F7E8D718A0F965EE86E67B3@NA-MAIL-1-1.rws.ad.ea.com>

I'm curious, how does the side out fit on the inside?  I have a picture of
Jerry making the original headers, and the side out is on the outside.

Matthew

Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 5:59 PM

Headers are not Bellanger, lol. I have an original set (now jet hot
coated). The side out is on the inside where this is on the outside of
the header. They come back more in a straight line and yes the side out
does line up correctly. I have no idea what this exhaust is trying to
do.  When I would make my saturday night runs in the middle of Santa
Maria ca with the headers open, yes they were loud, lol...  But, I was
never caught!

mayf

mayf

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Dec 12 11:34:40 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:34:40 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] VIN # INFO
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Message-ID: <4942AEC0.8080500@mayfco.com>

Matthew, Peter, all....

Dang, I screwed up!  My 67 yeear old memory failed me and I did not go 
out to the shop and actually look under the car.  They are like LAT 73, 
in fact that was how I purchased them years ago,  except that the block 
off plate has 3 bolts instead of four. 

Sorry, guys..

mayf
Taylor, Matthew wrote:

>I'm curious, how does the side out fit on the inside?  I have a picture of Jerry making the original headers, and the side out is on the outside.
>
>Matthew
>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 5:59 PM
>
>Headers are not Bellanger, lol. I have an original set (now jet hot 
>coated). The side out is on the inside where this is on the outside of 
>the header. They come back more in a straight line and yes the side out 
>does line up correctly. I have no idea what this exhaust is trying to 
>do.  When I would make my saturday night runs in the middle of Santa 
>Maria ca with the headers open, yes they were loud, lol...  But, I was 
>never caught!
>
>mayf
>
>mayf

From Cushcom1 at aol.com  Fri Dec 12 13:21:31 2008
From: Cushcom1 at aol.com (Cushcom1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:21:31 EST
Subject: [Tigers] VIN PLATE INTERPRETATION
Message-ID: <c30.48dc260a.367421cb@aol.com>

Can some llister interpret this vin plate:
B9473214
LRXFE
4469     E2LKA
82
 
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From KJENSSEN at aol.com  Fri Dec 12 13:47:03 2008
From: KJENSSEN at aol.com (KJENSSEN at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:47:03 EST
Subject: [Tigers] VIN PLATE INTERPRETATION
Message-ID: <c95.409611b3.367427c7@aol.com>

Tigerman,  

Maybe this did not get to you ....sent previously........
 
 
 
Was it color code    92  or   82   ( Book of Norm shows 92 )

&    
 
4469 - F21KA    or     4469 - E21KA ?
 
LRXFE = An exported, left hand drive, roadster - Non standard ( North  
America ) with Ford engine

 
 
hope this info from the Book of Norm helps..........
 
 
Rootes engine # 4469-F21KA
Color code 92
Body #    JAL 562757
ROTA #    3235    
Jensen date    65/4/01    
Gear Box #    HEHE014390
Rear axle #    C65/3340





In a message dated 12/12/2008 2:22:06 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
Cushcom1 at aol.com writes:

Can some  llister interpret this vin plate:
B9473214
LRXFE
4469   E2LKA
82

Many thanks friom the  tigerman



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From Cushcom1 at aol.com  Fri Dec 12 15:32:06 2008
From: Cushcom1 at aol.com (Cushcom1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:32:06 EST
Subject: [Tigers] vin info...oops
Message-ID: <d4f.42e21f98.36744066@aol.com>

Sorry, all. I MISREAD THE TAGE. IT SHOULD BE:
B9473214
LRXFE
4469   F2LKA
92
 
And what color is "92"?
 
Thanks again.
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From prbreuhan at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 12 16:32:30 2008
From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:32:30 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] vin info...oops
In-Reply-To: <d4f.42e21f98.36744066@aol.com>
References: <d4f.42e21f98.36744066@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-W417906E06403254DF07432AAF90@phx.gbl>

My favorite Tiger color... Arctic White!PaulOwner of an Arctic White Tiger>
From: Cushcom1 at aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 17:32:06 -0500> To:
tigers at autox.team.net> Subject: [Tigers] vin info...oops> > Sorry, all. I
MISREAD THE TAGE. IT SHOULD BE:> B9473214> LRXFE> 4469   F2LKA> 92>  > And
what color is "92"?>  > Thanks again.> tigereman
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From dick.barker at att.net  Fri Dec 12 21:02:08 2008
From: dick.barker at att.net (Dick Barker)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:02:08 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger colors
Message-ID: <20081213040216.04F2F187650@autox.team.net>

The recent discussion of body colors prompted me to dig out Issue #8 
of Tiger Press, published by Norman Miller. This issue included an 
article titled "Color by Numbers," which chronicled Tiger paint 
colors as recorded in TIROST (Norm's Tiger registry.) Data in the 
article was sorted in a variety of interesting ways, including this 
summary of all known Tiger colors:

Code                                      B947   B3820  B3821 
Overall 

1      Embassy Black                175      56        0          231
19    Moonstone                       204      1          0          206
39    Carnival Red                    513      179      49        743
53    Wedgewood Blue           84         2          0          86
58    Midnight Blue                   360      62        2          424
61    Quartz Blue Metallic         1          0          0          1
67    Light Green Metallic         0          0          0          0
68    Autumn Gold Metallic       0          0          0          0
76    Balmoral Gray                  27         0          0          27
86    Forest Green                   598       300      96        996
92    Arctic White                     196       99        0          295
100  Mediterranean Blue         161       95        20        276
102  Oxford Blue                      0           0          0          0
106  Commodore Blue            0           11        42        53
107  Holly Green                      0            0          0          0
108  Polar White                      3           13       24        40
109  Orchid Green                   0           0         18        18
122  Signal Red                        0          1          0          1
127  Turquoise Blue Metallic    0          0          0          0
130  Gunmetal Metallic 0          0          0          0          0

When Colors by Numbers was published in 2000, 3396 of the total of 
7085 Tigers produced were registered with TIROST. Today that number 
has swollen to 3819. That's pretty amazing, considering the cars are 
now more than 40 years old!

From walmenke at bigpond.net.au  Fri Dec 12 23:25:52 2008
From: walmenke at bigpond.net.au (Wally Menke)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 06:25:52 -0000
Subject: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?
In-Reply-To: <39a841b0812021455x5305ea2fp62ec6d0db366acc7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081202213513.Q3N5T.131585.root@cdptpa-web21-z01>
	<60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F4F2@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
	<39a841b0812021455x5305ea2fp62ec6d0db366acc7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000801c92cfc$82439e20$86cada60$@net.au>

Hey Owain

You can do what a few of my mates do. Buy an old cheap clunker and on your
return to the airport just leave it in the car park!

Regards
Wally Menke


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd
Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 9:55 AM
To: Smit, Theo
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Who's going to SUNI ?

steve,

i'm planning on trying to make it although as yet i'm not too sure
exactly when and where it is!  i will travel from london to chicago
and then rent or borrow a car to drive there.  the problem with this
plan is that you can't rent interesting cars in the mid-west and not
many people own one either.   so i may turn up late in an ageing gold
buick with a brown velour bench seat and suspension springs from a
sofa.

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Dec 13 07:24:33 2008
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:24:33 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] vin info...oops
In-Reply-To: <d4f.42e21f98.36744066@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3061A8ADADEF4DCCA3A6F9164839A2B8@ronpc1>

Tigerman
	color code 92 is Artic White; Ditzler # 8001

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Cushcom1 at aol.com
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 5:32 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] vin info...oops


Sorry, all. I MISREAD THE TAGE. IT SHOULD BE:
B9473214
LRXFE
4469   F2LKA
92

And what color is "92"?

Thanks again.
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From tgrrr at peoplepc.com  Sat Dec 13 15:43:04 2008
From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:43:04 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Side Out Headers
Message-ID: <1E52A3F4A0DE4EE2BCA4BF108BF39294@bob>

Bought a set of Bellanger headers with the side out exhaust routing and 
block-off plates on the collectors about 30 yrs ago.  Learned the importance 
of proper brake line routing at my first hillclimb.
At Mary's Peak when you came off the start you had an uphill run of about 
1/4 mile before the first major turn... a hairpin switch back.
On my first run with the headers uncapped and under full throttle the 
exhaust was blowing back on the brake line which quickly boiled the fluid 
rendering the brakes near useless, a point which I discovered only shortly 
before the hairpin. By downshifting, I scrubbed off enough speed to make it 
through the turn without crashing and aborted the run.
So if you're going to run the side outs uncapped, take a good look at where 
your brake line runs.
A few years later at the same hill I wasn't as fortunate and crashed the car 
badly due to a stock sway bar mount failing in the middle of a corner... but 
that's another story.

Bob H 

From dick.barker at att.net  Sat Dec 13 18:12:02 2008
From: dick.barker at att.net (Dick Barker)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:12:02 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger colors
Message-ID: <20081214011213.1323618766F@autox.team.net>

For some reason the columns did not properly line up in my post 
summarizing Tiger colors. Among other anomalies, the heading 
"Overall" should appear above the far RH column of numbers, not under 
the heading "Code." The way it was presented on the List was almost 
as confusing as the mystery VIN tage friom the tigereman!

Hey Jeff, what's a ROTA #?

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Sat Dec 13 21:47:42 2008
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (J. Nichols)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:47:42 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] John Horsman's Sunbeam Harrington Alpine Le Mans Tiger is
 sold!
Message-ID: <001f01c95da7$1a0003e0$6401a8c0@your03667082de>

I was reading the current issue of Keith Martins Sports Car Market and he
reports that the Bonahams auction held in September had up for bids John
Horsman's Sunbeam Harrington Alpine B91103080DHRO.  It sold for $25,731 and
needs a full restoration  The car is a converted Harrington Alpine Le Mans
that was modified by John Horsman with parts supplied by Des Odell and the
Rootes competition department to turn it into a Tiger with a Ford 289 V8.
John Horsman worked on the  GT40 at Ford Advanced Vehicles along with John
Wyer.  They then formed JW Automotive which raced as the Gulf team and won Le
mans several times in the 1960'a and 70's


   Here is the link with photos:
http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/wspd_cgi.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=EUR
&screen=lotdetailsNoFlash&iSaleItemNo=4077801&iSaleNo=16251&iSaleSectionNo=3

                                                                             
                      Jeff

From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Sun Dec 14 14:02:59 2008
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (Steve Ralsten)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:02:59 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Heater control valve/cable
Message-ID: <000b01c95e2f$58fd7810$6601a8c0@DELL4600>

I have a newish valve installed by PO. Almost certainly not a Rootes part. 
My temp control cable
does not make valve open. I spent a bit of time trying to access the dash 
lever end of the cable.
It appears correctly connected but I can't get my hands up in there well 
enough to manipulate
it anyway. I've disconnected the cable from the valve end and can manually 
move the valve
and get heat to the interior. The PO apparently knew of this situation as he 
included for me
a Mustang cable and a note saying Rick at SS had suggested that as a repair. 
I've done some searching of the archives
and it seems that a Rootes valve is a virtual impossible thing to find.

My questions....

What suggestions are there for a new control valve that comes as close as 
possible to original in appearance ?
What suggestions for cables ?
I have not yet had any reason to remove dash. If I remove the visible screws 
along dash top is it going to pull away
and will that give me access to replace control cable ?

Thanks

Steve R
B9473720

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sun Dec 14 15:50:37 2008
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:50:37 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Heater control valve/cable
In-Reply-To: <000b01c95e2f$58fd7810$6601a8c0@DELL4600>
References: <000b01c95e2f$58fd7810$6601a8c0@DELL4600>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0812141450g15046dc6pb39ea1c36cc752f5@mail.gmail.com>

Are we talking about the heater contorl vlaves in the engine bay? If so...
and we are talking the late model MKIA/MKII SV alpine ones.. they are almost
identical to those on the MGC... but wait.. there's more! Kurt (sp?) at
classic Sunbeam has the repros available for about $50.. lists them on ebay
buy it now all the time.. so need to pay 300+ for some NOS one in a box or
old POS one that you wont get to work.

link for all:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Sunbeam-Alpine-V-Tiger-IA-Tiger-II-water-valve_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742Q2em153Q2el1262QQcategoryZ10076QQihZ014QQitemZ330293042259QQtcZphoto

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Sun Dec 14 16:38:24 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:38:24 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Heater control valve/cable
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a0812141450g15046dc6pb39ea1c36cc752f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000b01c95e2f$58fd7810$6601a8c0@DELL4600>
	<d86d088a0812141450g15046dc6pb39ea1c36cc752f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <494598EF.80706@SoCal.rr.com>

 Tiger's,

_C_urt Meine has been a good enthusiast and supplier of quality 
Tiger/Alpine parts for more than 7 years, although I believe his 
"on-line" eBay store is more recent. His website is:

http://www.classicsunbeam.com/     Order Line: 1-800-24-SUNBEAM /  Tech 
Info: 607-432-2662

Steve

___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



michael king wrote:
> Are we talking about the heater contorl vlaves in the engine bay? If so...
> and we are talking the late model MKIA/MKII SV alpine ones.. they are almost
> identical to those on the MGC... but wait.. there's more! Kurt (sp?) at
> classic Sunbeam has the repros available for about $50.. lists them on ebay
> buy it now all the time.. so need to pay 300+ for some NOS one in a box or
> old POS one that you wont get to work.
>
> link for all:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Sunbeam-Alpine-V-Tiger-IA-Tiger-II-water-valve_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742Q2em153Q2el1262QQcategoryZ10076QQihZ014QQitemZ330293042259QQtcZphoto

From marcsmall at comcast.net  Sun Dec 14 17:27:28 2008
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:27:28 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Heater control valve/cable
In-Reply-To: <494598EF.80706@SoCal.rr.com>
References: <000b01c95e2f$58fd7810$6601a8c0@DELL4600>
	<d86d088a0812141450g15046dc6pb39ea1c36cc752f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<494598EF.80706@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20081215003515.43994187655@autox.team.net>

At 06:38 PM 12/14/2008, Steve Laifman wrote:
 > Tiger's,
 >
 >_C_urt Meine has been a good enthusiast and supplier of quality
 >Tiger/Alpine parts for more than 7 years, although I believe his
 >"on-line" eBay store is more recent. His website is:
 >
 >http://www.classicsunbeam.com/     Order Line: 1-800-24-SUNBEAM /  Tech
 >Info: 607-432-2662

It has been more like 30 years.

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!

From jrv309 at charter.net  Sun Dec 14 18:15:38 2008
From: jrv309 at charter.net (Jerry and Marlene VanderPool)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:15:38 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Curt and Heater control valve
Message-ID: <059DC7EDB9454AA28676C87DFE3F3D24@D8T0X571>

Steve;  I purchase one from Curt this last summer and installed.  It looks
great and works like a charm.  I am Very Happy with his parts and the service.
Jerry, Marlene and the critters in Oregon.

From awtiger at cox.net  Sun Dec 14 18:34:13 2008
From: awtiger at cox.net (Andy Walker)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:34:13 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Heater control valve/cable
In-Reply-To: <000b01c95e2f$58fd7810$6601a8c0@DELL4600>
References: <000b01c95e2f$58fd7810$6601a8c0@DELL4600>
Message-ID: <848CB65456154F92A3DCF6DD5AC240E5@awtigerPC>

Hey, Steve:

I spoke with Carroll about the heater control valve that he replaced on the 
your Tiger.  He says he got it from Rick at SS and it is the one that is the 
closest in appearance to the original piece.  The Rootes heater valve is no 
longer available for the Mk1 and the control cables are no longer available 
for any of the Tigers.  My car is a Mk1A so I don't have as much experience 
with a Mk1 like yours but, if I remember correctly, I think the Mk1s have 
heater control valves that are either similar to or are just like the ones 
on big Healeys.  I'm sure someone will come along and correct me if I'm 
wrong about that.

Okay, first of all, there is no reason to remove the dash from the car just 
to replace the cable.  In fact, without the dash and heater control slide in 
place, you'll never know how long to make the cable.  Secondly, taking the 
top four screws out off the dash facia will only loosen it on the top side. 
There are more nuts across the bottom of the dash panel, which also hold the 
lower dash roll on.  Believe me, you're going to be doing a lot of 
unnecessary work if you take the dash out just to replace that cable.  My 
advice is to just take your time and do it from under the dash.  If you need 
more room to work, take the seat out so you can lay on your back on the 
floor and get your hands up under the dash.

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
B9006857LRX


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Ralsten" <sralsten at ca.rr.com>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:02 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Heater control valve/cable


>I have a newish valve installed by PO. Almost certainly not a Rootes part. 
>My temp control cable
> does not make valve open. I spent a bit of time trying to access the dash 
> lever end of the cable.
> It appears correctly connected but I can't get my hands up in there well 
> enough to manipulate
> it anyway. I've disconnected the cable from the valve end and can manually 
> move the valve
> and get heat to the interior. The PO apparently knew of this situation as 
> he included for me
> a Mustang cable and a note saying Rick at SS had suggested that as a 
> repair. I've done some searching of the archives
> and it seems that a Rootes valve is a virtual impossible thing to find.
>
> My questions....
>
> What suggestions are there for a new control valve that comes as close as 
> possible to original in appearance ?
> What suggestions for cables ?
> I have not yet had any reason to remove dash. If I remove the visible 
> screws along dash top is it going to pull away
> and will that give me access to replace control cable ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve R
> B9473720
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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From sjhcobra1 at cs.com  Sun Dec 14 18:40:49 2008
From: sjhcobra1 at cs.com (sjhcobra1 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:40:49 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Heater control valve/cable
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a0812141450g15046dc6pb39ea1c36cc752f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000b01c95e2f$58fd7810$6601a8c0@DELL4600>
	<d86d088a0812141450g15046dc6pb39ea1c36cc752f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CB2C6D4AC863EC-F08-14DF@Webmail-mg19.sim.aol.com>

If Curt does not have them, Little British Car Company does.

Steve Halbrook







-----Original Message-----
From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
To: Steve Ralsten <sralsten at ca.rr.com>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 5:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Heater control valve/cable



Are we talking about the heater contorl vlaves in the engine bay? If so...
and we are talking the late model MKIA/MKII SV alpine ones.. they are almost
identical to those on the MGC... but wait.. there's more! Kurt (sp?) at
classic Sunbeam has the repros available for about $50.. lists them on ebay
buy it now all the time.. so need to pay 300+ for some NOS one in a box or
old POS one that you wont get to work.

link for all:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Sunbeam-Alpine-V-Tiger-IA-Tiger-II-water-valve_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742Q2em153Q2el1262QQcategoryZ10076QQihZ014QQitemZ330293042259QQtcZphoto

-- 
Regards

Michael King
Tigers at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers

http://www.team.net/archive

________________________________________________________________________
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Dec 14 19:20:17 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:20:17 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Heater control valve/cable
In-Reply-To: <20081215003515.43994187655@autox.team.net>
References: <000b01c95e2f$58fd7810$6601a8c0@DELL4600>
	<d86d088a0812141450g15046dc6pb39ea1c36cc752f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<494598EF.80706@SoCal.rr.com>
	<20081215003515.43994187655@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4945BEE1.4090106@mayfco.com>

Yeah, seems like I have been getting stuf from Curt far longer than 7 or 
so and maybe even more than 30. Maybe even early 70's?

mayf
Marc James Small wrote:

> At 06:38 PM 12/14/2008, Steve Laifman wrote:
> > Tiger's,
> >
> >_C_urt Meine has been a good enthusiast and supplier of quality
> >Tiger/Alpine parts for more than 7 years, although I believe his
> >"on-line" eBay store is more recent. His website is:
> >
> >http://www.classicsunbeam.com/     Order Line: 1-800-24-SUNBEAM /  Tech
> >Info: 607-432-2662
>
> It has been more like 30 years.
>
> Marc
>
>
> msmall at aya.yale.edu
> Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> Tigers at autox.team.net
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From BKSchonb at usi.edu  Mon Dec 15 09:37:15 2008
From: BKSchonb at usi.edu (Schonberger, Barry K)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:37:15 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Team Tiger in car racing videos
Message-ID: <EECCEE71E60A52439BA700CB3A3B7E6C04829A65@emailnew.usi.edu>

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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Mon Dec 15 11:47:58 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:47:58 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Heater control valve/cable
In-Reply-To: <4945BEE1.4090106@mayfco.com>
References: <000b01c95e2f$58fd7810$6601a8c0@DELL4600>
	<d86d088a0812141450g15046dc6pb39ea1c36cc752f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<494598EF.80706@SoCal.rr.com>
	<20081215003515.43994187655@autox.team.net>
	<4945BEE1.4090106@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <4946A65E.1050106@SoCal.rr.com>

Thanks to Tigerdom for correcting the number of years Curt Meine has 
been helping Tiger/Alpine owners, as testified by Curt, himself.  As he 
stated:

"I've been a owner for 40 years and selling Sunbeam parts for over 30 
years !!!!,
Curt"

"I missed it by that much!!", and know he has been helping us a long 
time.  I stated "More than 7 years".

Thank you again, Curt.

Steve

___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



drmayf wrote:
> Yeah, seems like I have been getting stuf from Curt far longer than 7 
> or so and maybe even more than 30. Maybe even early 70's?
>
> mayf

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 15 13:51:06 2008
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (J. Nichols)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 15:51:06 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] New MK1 heater valves
Message-ID: <00b701c95ef6$da947d20$6401a8c0@your03667082de>

Ebay:

If you need the MK1 heater valve ($22.99) here is a vendor:

Item number: 200288802288

Here is a UK vendor that also makes the mounting bracket, plus heater core and
blower:

Item number: 290280778005


There is a vendor in the UK that makes the heater valve cable.  I bought one a
year ago and here is his email :  ashleyhintonmgparts2002
(adsanhinton at aol.com)

                                                                             
                                                                             
           Ashley Hinton
                                                                             
                                                                      Gt
Bookham, Surrey KT233EU United Kingdom

From Tigerman67 at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 15 14:25:16 2008
From: Tigerman67 at hotmail.com (Tiger Man)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:25:16 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Machine shop questions
Message-ID: <BAY119-DS659E835CC942F01962BD4C1F40@phx.gbl>

Hey there,

I thought I would ask the group some questions and see if you guys can bring
up my machine shop IQ.

I found a deal on a used 289 5 bolt bell housing reasonably local to my area
for not much money.  Would have loved to know these answers before I shelled
out money, but since I didn't spend too much, I hope that means I can't loose
that much either.

So here are some basic machine shop type questions I have.

How can you accurately measure or determine the current bore/piston size on a
used block, without being able to take it to the machine shop first.  I don't
see any markings on the piston that would help me out.  I'm assuming my
standard cheap digital caliper can't measure it because 1) it doesn't have the
reach to measure an inside diameter beyond the 'ridge' area.  and b) because
it has some width to it, and not a blade point It will be off by a bit when
trying to measure the inside of a cylinder.

If the block or pistons come out at 30 over already, can the block be cleaned
up to 40 over, or are you just asking for trouble (overheating)?

Is a 5 bolt 289 block worth having sleeved if the bore is out of spec, or is
that an outrageously expensive option?

Would a mild stroker kit fit in a 289 block, or when they went to the 302, did
they physically change the length of the bore?

Is there any way you can tell or test to see if a set of used ford heads
already has hardened valve seats in them?  I am assuming that if it had
hardened valve seats already installed, that would significantly reduce the
cost to recondition a set of heads?

Anyway, thanks for any help you guys can give me, hopefully I didn't buy a
large paperweight.

Steve

From v8tracker at gmail.com  Mon Dec 15 15:20:23 2008
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:20:23 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Machine shop questions
In-Reply-To: <BAY119-DS659E835CC942F01962BD4C1F40@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY119-DS659E835CC942F01962BD4C1F40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <698F4CE1D2C44AD2A5668E4AD1E75C0B@DellD4700>

Steve,

I can't help with all the questions, but I can tell you for sure that the
cylinder walls in a 302 block are a little longer than in a 289. During the
289-302 changeover, a number of 289 engines were built with 302 blocks. But
building a 302 (or a stroker) in a 289 block is probably not a good idea. 

I also have read that the 289 can take up to a .040" overbore, but that's
the limit.

HTH,
A. C. Tynes
New Orleans

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tiger Man
> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:25 PM
> To: tigers
> Subject: [Tigers] Machine shop questions
> 
> Hey there,
> 
> I thought I would ask the group some questions and see if you 
> guys can bring up my machine shop IQ.
> 
> I found a deal on a used 289 5 bolt bell housing reasonably 
> local to my area for not much money.  Would have loved to 
> know these answers before I shelled out money, but since I 
> didn't spend too much, I hope that means I can't loose that 
> much either.
> 
> So here are some basic machine shop type questions I have.
> 
> How can you accurately measure or determine the current 
> bore/piston size on a used block, without being able to take 
> it to the machine shop first.  I don't see any markings on 
> the piston that would help me out.  I'm assuming my standard 
> cheap digital caliper can't measure it because 1) it doesn't 
> have the reach to measure an inside diameter beyond the 
> 'ridge' area.  and b) because it has some width to it, and 
> not a blade point It will be off by a bit when trying to 
> measure the inside of a cylinder.
> 
> If the block or pistons come out at 30 over already, can the 
> block be cleaned up to 40 over, or are you just asking for 
> trouble (overheating)?
> 
> Is a 5 bolt 289 block worth having sleeved if the bore is out 
> of spec, or is that an outrageously expensive option?
> 
> Would a mild stroker kit fit in a 289 block, or when they 
> went to the 302, did they physically change the length of the bore?
> 
> Is there any way you can tell or test to see if a set of used 
> ford heads already has hardened valve seats in them?  I am 
> assuming that if it had hardened valve seats already 
> installed, that would significantly reduce the cost to 
> recondition a set of heads?
> 
> Anyway, thanks for any help you guys can give me, hopefully I 
> didn't buy a large paperweight.
> 
> Steve
> _______________________________________________
> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
> 
> Tigers at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers
> 
> http://www.team.net/archive

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Dec 15 15:39:37 2008
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:39:37 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Machine shop questions
In-Reply-To: <BAY119-DS659E835CC942F01962BD4C1F40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <51A32226E8FF47BD857FD604C5C22590@ronpc1>

Steve
	You really need a bore gage to read the diameter.  You also want to
make sure the bores are not trumpet shaped.
You can do this with a snap gage but you also need a 4" micrometer to get a
really good reading.   If you want a rough guess at the top just under the
ridge; measure the width of one of the rings, put it square in the bore,
then measure with your calipers add in 2x ring width.  You can always
measure what the top is and then guess what the ridge thickness is for a
rough estimate.

Got a machine shop in your area; you need to talk to them.

40 over is pushing it, you really need to sonic test all the bores to know
if it can be bored that much.

Not sure what the cost is for sleeving an engine.

They make stroker kits for just about every engine.

Hardened seats should be obvious if they are in the heads, I believe.   I
have been told that you don't need hardened seats unless you plan for the
engine to live a 5,000 rpm or more mostly but I'm no expert here.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Tiger Man
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:25 PM
To: tigers
Subject: [Tigers] Machine shop questions


Hey there,

I thought I would ask the group some questions and see if you guys can bring
up my machine shop IQ.

I found a deal on a used 289 5 bolt bell housing reasonably local to my area
for not much money.  Would have loved to know these answers before I shelled
out money, but since I didn't spend too much, I hope that means I can't
loose that much either.

So here are some basic machine shop type questions I have.

How can you accurately measure or determine the current bore/piston size on
a used block, without being able to take it to the machine shop first.  I
don't see any markings on the piston that would help me out.  I'm assuming
my standard cheap digital caliper can't measure it because 1) it doesn't
have the reach to measure an inside diameter beyond the 'ridge' area.  and
b) because it has some width to it, and not a blade point It will be off by
a bit when trying to measure the inside of a cylinder.

If the block or pistons come out at 30 over already, can the block be
cleaned up to 40 over, or are you just asking for trouble (overheating)?

Is a 5 bolt 289 block worth having sleeved if the bore is out of spec, or is
that an outrageously expensive option?

Would a mild stroker kit fit in a 289 block, or when they went to the 302,
did they physically change the length of the bore?

Is there any way you can tell or test to see if a set of used ford heads
already has hardened valve seats in them?  I am assuming that if it had
hardened valve seats already installed, that would significantly reduce the
cost to recondition a set of heads?

Anyway, thanks for any help you guys can give me, hopefully I didn't buy a
large paperweight.

Steve
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From geowiz.sgy at cox.net  Mon Dec 15 17:01:29 2008
From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:01:29 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Need spacers
Message-ID: <C073356E83CB4C7F8B2D57444B98B1EF@JEPHome>

I'm installing Dale's Ackerman fix and I need two spacers for 7/16" bolts,
5/8" long.  Anybody have a source for these?  I only need two, not a case of
100!  Thanks.

Jim Pickard
B9473298 ('65 Tiger)
AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold
2003 Mini Cooper
Lafayette, LA

From srwick at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 15 17:38:39 2008
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:38:39 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Machine shop questions
In-Reply-To: <BAY119-DS659E835CC942F01962BD4C1F40@phx.gbl>
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I'm curious what the actual measurements are for the cylinder wall length
between the 289 and 302. I know the stroke is longer on a 302, but that
wouldn't necessarily translate into a longer cylinder wall. The piston skirt
is shorter on 302's, presumable for clearance, so it strikes me as odd that
Ford would've increased the stroke of the crank, shortened the piston, and
then moved the bottom of the cylinder wall closer to the rotating mass. I
never thought about it before, but now you got me wondering.

Steve (in N.Id.)
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: A. C. Tynes<mailto:v8tracker at gmail.com>
  To: 'Tiger Man'<mailto:Tigerman67 at hotmail.com> ;
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  Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:20 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] Machine shop questions


  Steve,

  I can't help with all the questions, but I can tell you for sure that the
  cylinder walls in a 302 block are a little longer than in a 289. During the
  289-302 changeover, a number of 289 engines were built with 302 blocks. But
  building a 302 (or a stroker) in a 289 block is probably not a good idea.

  I also have read that the 289 can take up to a .040" overbore, but that's
  the limit.

  HTH,
  A. C. Tynes
  New Orleans

  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>
  > [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tiger Man
  > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:25 PM
  > To: tigers
  > Subject: [Tigers] Machine shop questions
  >
  > Hey there,
  >
  > I thought I would ask the group some questions and see if you
  > guys can bring up my machine shop IQ.
  >
  > I found a deal on a used 289 5 bolt bell housing reasonably
  > local to my area for not much money.  Would have loved to
  > know these answers before I shelled out money, but since I
  > didn't spend too much, I hope that means I can't loose that
  > much either.
  >
  > So here are some basic machine shop type questions I have.
  >
  > How can you accurately measure or determine the current
  > bore/piston size on a used block, without being able to take
  > it to the machine shop first.  I don't see any markings on
  > the piston that would help me out.  I'm assuming my standard
  > cheap digital caliper can't measure it because 1) it doesn't
  > have the reach to measure an inside diameter beyond the
  > 'ridge' area.  and b) because it has some width to it, and
  > not a blade point It will be off by a bit when trying to
  > measure the inside of a cylinder.
  >
  > If the block or pistons come out at 30 over already, can the
  > block be cleaned up to 40 over, or are you just asking for
  > trouble (overheating)?
  >
  > Is a 5 bolt 289 block worth having sleeved if the bore is out
  > of spec, or is that an outrageously expensive option?
  >
  > Would a mild stroker kit fit in a 289 block, or when they
  > went to the 302, did they physically change the length of the bore?
  >
  > Is there any way you can tell or test to see if a set of used
  > ford heads already has hardened valve seats in them?  I am
  > assuming that if it had hardened valve seats already
  > installed, that would significantly reduce the cost to
  > recondition a set of heads?
  >
  > Anyway, thanks for any help you guys can give me, hopefully I
  > didn't buy a large paperweight.
  >
  > Steve
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From jrv309 at charter.net  Mon Dec 15 17:49:24 2008
From: jrv309 at charter.net (Jerry and Marlene VanderPool)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:49:24 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Heater control valve/cable
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Steve;  How can that be that Curt is over 21?  I heard that he had just 
turned old enough to buy "Good Scotch",  hey Curt are you going to share??? 
Jerry, Marlene and the Candy Apple Tiger.
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To: <drmayf at mayfco.com>
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Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Heater control valve/cable


> Thanks to Tigerdom for correcting the number of years Curt Meine has
> been helping Tiger/Alpine owners, as testified by Curt, himself.  As he
> stated:
>
> "I've been a owner for 40 years and selling Sunbeam parts for over 30
> years !!!!,
> Curt"
>
> "I missed it by that much!!", and know he has been helping us a long
> time.  I stated "More than 7 years".
>
> Thank you again, Curt.
>
> Steve
>
> ___
> Steve Laifman
> Editor - TigersUnited.com
> <http://www.TigersUnited.com>
>
>
>
> drmayf wrote:
>> Yeah, seems like I have been getting stuf from Curt far longer than 7
>> or so and maybe even more than 30. Maybe even early 70's?
>>
>> mayf
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From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Mon Dec 15 22:20:13 2008
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (Steve Ralsten)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:20:13 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] New MK1 heater valves
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Thanks to all. I called and left a message for Curt first thing this morning
but did not get a response all day.
I'll look into this UK vendor tomorrow. Thanks to Andy also for his guidance
that pulling the dash would not
solve my problem. This may be just the opportunity I've been thinking of to
remove the modern radio.

Steve R
B9473720


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: J. Nichols
  To: tigers at autox.team.net
  Cc: sralsten at ca.rr.com ; awtiger at cox.net
  Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 12:51 PM
  Subject: New MK1 heater valves


  Ebay:

  If you need the MK1 heater valve ($22.99) here is a vendor:

  Item number: 200288802288

  Here is a UK vendor that also makes the mounting bracket, plus heater core
and blower:

  Item number: 290280778005


  There is a vendor in the UK that makes the heater valve cable.  I bought one
a year ago and here is his email :  ashleyhintonmgparts2002
(adsanhinton at aol.com)

                                                                             
                                                                             
             Ashley Hinton
                                                                             
                                                                        Gt
Bookham, Surrey KT233EU United Kingdom

From dave at munroe.ca  Tue Dec 16 07:54:24 2008
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:54:24 -0400
Subject: [Tigers]  Machine shop questions
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(I apologize if you received this  message twice: the first time I sent it 
from my Blackberry, and it appeared not to be delivered.)



 Steve:

 I am not comfortable contradicting my learned list friends, but here is my 
experience:

 In my garage sits my MK 1A Tiger with an early 289 block in the engine 
room.

 It is bored to .060", and has a SCAT rotating assembly which includes a 
stroker crank. It now mesasures 331 cu.in. The block was professionally 
hot-pressure cleaned, crack tested, and found to be sound. It was bored 
using proper boring/torque plates by a NASCAR level machine shop. The bores 
have been fitted with Keith Black forged pistons.
C/R is 9.5:1 With all the other components installed, it makes considerable 
torque and hp, and I have it electronically rev-limited to 5500 rpm.

 I did not build my engine - I wrote cheques. Lots of them. The guy who did 
the deed was an ex-Rootes Group (U.K.) Technician. He is a competent 
mechanic, with little experience with SB Ford engines. But he knew the right 
questions to ask, and to whom to ask them,  as well as where the shops that 
could do the machine work were located..

 Controversially, he was told by his U,S. "expert" friends that early 289 
blocks had thicker cylinder walls than later ones (when did they change the 
castings?)  And as the story goes, the shade tree race mechanics of the day 
discovered that you could bore these early blocks to .100" and they would 
actually run cooler (!) Than the stock blocks.

 The later blocks, also as this story goes, were cast with thinner walls to 
access this extra cooling factor.

 Now remember its not nice to shoot the messenger! This is not my story, and 
for all I know its cock and bull, served up to convince me to go for the 
.060" bore job.

 I can tell you this engine overheated from start-up, but after applying all 
the remedies proferred by the gurus on this list, it  now runs comfortably 
cool as a cucumber rolling down the highway making prodigious amounts of 
power, sturm und drang. Fun!

 I now have roughly 8K miles on the clock, and it is running like the 
proverbial Swiss watch.  ( Well, almost....)

 I am looking forward to getting straightened out on this thick-walled block 
story: truth or fiction?

 And how come my .060" 331 engine runs so well?

 I think there are more of these over-built engines out there.
.
 Dave




----Original Message-----
 From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>

 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:39:37
 To: 'Tiger Man'<Tigerman67 at hotmail.com>; 'tigers'<tigers at autox.team.net>
 Subject: Re: [Tigers] Machine shop questions


 Steve
 You really need a bore gage to read the diameter.  You also want to
 make sure the bores are not trumpet shaped.
 You can do this with a snap gage but you also need a 4" micrometer to get a
 really good reading.   If you want a rough guess at the top just under the
 ridge; measure the width of one of the rings, put it square in the bore,
 then measure with your calipers add in 2x ring width.  You can always
 measure what the top is and then guess what the ridge thickness is for a
 rough estimate.

 Got a machine shop in your area; you need to talk to them.

 40 over is pushing it, you really need to sonic test all the bores to know
 if it can be bored that much.

 Not sure what the cost is for sleeving an engine.

 They make stroker kits for just about every engine.

 Hardened seats should be obvious if they are in the heads, I believe.   I
 have been told that you don't need hardened seats unless you plan for the
 engine to live a 5,000 rpm or more mostly but I'm no expert here.

 Ron Fraser

From spmdr at juno.com  Tue Dec 16 09:47:38 2008
From: spmdr at juno.com (spmdr at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:47:38 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Machine shop questions
Message-ID: <20081216.084754.-124449.0.spmdr@juno.com>

My $.02

Several years ago I looked over as many 289 and 302 blocks as 
I could lay my hands on.

The conclusion was, NO significant difference in functional bore length.

And looking at stroker kits, piston skirts are usually shorter than OEM
pistons.

Leading me to conclude 289 and 302 blocks are interchangeable 

and stroker kits would be happy in either block.

As far as over bore, Ford recommends +.030 max. for 289 / 302 blocks.

Real world has up to +.060 on some blocks with NO obvious problems.

One example I can think of, Tom Duncan's drag Tiger is running a .060
over

5 bolt block and he still lifts the front wheels nicely!

If it breaks today, he's used it for the last 10 + years!

You takes your chances!

...even AFTER checking the world!

   DW

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From bob at hermitagewood.com  Tue Dec 16 12:48:30 2008
From: bob at hermitagewood.com (bob at hermitagewood.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:48:30 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Machine shop questions
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   Hi Dave,

         I  too  have  a 66 Mk1A Tiger and 20+ years ago I embarked on an
   engine  rebuild.   The thick-wall-tiger-engine-block story (as told in
   Performance  Tuning  the Sunbeam Tiger) persuaded me to have the block
   bored  .200 over.   I should say here that the machine shop thought me
   mad,  and  that  they  told me that there would be nothing left of the
   cylinders when it was done.   They also told me that it would take two
   passes  to  cut  that  much  material, and I paid them to do those two
   cuts.

        While  the block was off at the machine shop, I continued reading
   and  talking  to others (including people at Ford Motorsport) about my
   project.     I  heard all the horror stories (that overbored cylinders
   flex,  have  poor ring sealing, and have a propensity to overheat) and
   ultimately  I  decided  not to risk my rebuild on an extreme overbore.
   It  was  the  1980's and nobody near me had a sonic checker with which
   the  thrust  faces  of  the  cylinders  could  be checked.   Estimated
   cylinder  thickness  looking  inside  the water jacket might have been
   .125  (if memory serves), but this was between cylinders and not where
   the thrust load of the piston applies.

        So I didn't use my original block, and it still sits in my garage
   today.    Would  it hold up under use?    I honestly doubt it, I would
   not  risk  using it then or now.   The significant point is, it took a
   .200  overbore with a good bit of material left.    My opinion is that
   your .060 overbore will never have an overbore-related problem.

   Best regards,

   Bob

   Bob Burruss

   Tiger #382000782

From dave at munroe.ca  Tue Dec 16 13:14:13 2008
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:14:13 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Machine shop questions
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Thanks Bob for that intelligence. Wow -  a .200" overbore....wild!

I truly am not worried considering the performance of my engine to date. But I might not be so frisky if I had  .200" bores 
in there.....

I also suspect most who overbore from max spec looking for the ultimate horsepower machine would run their engines 
much harder than I will mine. I like to give it a shot every now and then, but mostly my wife and I are just out traveling and
cruising.

Apart from the great power that comes with stroking a given block, is the shift of the power curve down the rpm range with 
a proper cam, so there's no need to rev the guts out of the engine to get some serious power to the ground. 

Long live strokers!

Dave


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: bob at hermitagewood.com 
  To: dave at munroe.ca ; tigers at autox.team.net 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 3:48 PM
  Subject: RE: [Tigers] Machine shop questions



  Hi Dave,
     
       I too have a 66 Mk1A Tiger and 20+ years ago I embarked on an engine rebuild.   The thick-wall-tiger-engine-block story (as told in Performance Tuning the Sunbeam Tiger) persuaded me to have the block bored .200 over.   I should say here that the machine shop thought me mad, and that they told me that there would be nothing left of the cylinders when it was done.   They also told me that it would take two passes to cut that much material, and I paid them to do those two cuts.

      While the block was off at the machine shop, I continued reading and talking to others (including people at Ford Motorsport) about my project.    I heard all the horror stories (that overbored cylinders flex, have poor ring sealing, and have a propensity to overheat) and ultimately I decided not to risk my rebuild on an extreme overbore.   It was the 1980's and nobody near me had a sonic checker with which the thrust faces of the cylinders could be checked.   Estimated cylinder thickness looking inside the water jacket might have been .125 (if memory serves), but this was between cylinders and not where the thrust load of the piston applies.

      So I didn't use my original block, and it still sits in my garage today.   Would it hold up under use?    I honestly doubt it, I would not risk using it then or now.   The significant point is, it took a .200 overbore with a good bit of material left.    My opinion is that your .060 overbore will never have an overbore-related problem.

  Best regards,
  Bob


  Bob Burruss
  Tiger #382000782

From tgrrr at peoplepc.com  Tue Dec 16 13:42:30 2008
From: tgrrr at peoplepc.com (Bob Hokanson)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:42:30 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Machine shop questions
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On page 20 of George Reid's book, "High Performance Ford Engine Parts 
Interchange", he states the following:

"Though 302 blocks looked virtually identical to the 289 block, the cylinder 
bores had extended skirts to handle the 302's .019-inch longer stroke. This 
extended cylinder skirt reduced piston slap and improved stability for 
quieter operation."

On the same page under a photo caption he also says:

"The 302 block differs slightly from the 289, yet both are interchangeable. 
We suggest the use of a 302 block with 289 internals, but not the 289 block 
with 302 internals, due to the increased stroke. The 302 block has slightly 
longer cylinder wall skirts to accomodate the small increase in stroke 
length. This reduces piston skirt noise and play at the bottom of the bore."

Caveat emptor. 

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec 16 13:59:38 2008
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (J. Nichols)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:59:38 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Machine shop questions - Ford Magic Block
Message-ID: <009c01c95fc1$36241130$6401a8c0@your03667082de>

"The guy who did
the deed was an ex-Rootes Group (U.K.) Technician. He is a competent
mechanic, with little experience with SB Ford engines. But he knew the right
questions to ask, and to whom to ask them, as well as where the shops that
could do the machine work were located."


It seems a contradiction, your UK mechanic has little experience but knew the
right questions to ask????



  " Controversially, he was told by his U,S. "expert" friends that early 289
blocks had thicker cylinder walls than later ones (when did they change the
castings?)  And as the story goes, the shade tree race mechanics of the day
discovered that you could bore these early blocks to .100" and they would
actually run cooler (!) Than the stock blocks.

The later blocks, also as this story goes, were cast with thinner walls to
access this extra cooling factor.

I am looking forward to getting straightened out on this thick-walled block
story: truth or fiction?

I think there are more of these over-built engines out there."


Some possible answers to your story:

1) Maybe you actually have a 302 instead of a 289 and the stroker kit was
installed in the larger engine.

2) Could it be your inexperienced mechanic was in cahoots with the machine
shop and billed the sh*t out of you for nothing. In other words,  you may have
a 260!  And I quote: "I wrote cheques. Lots of them"

3) You have found the holy grail of Ford 289s.  The super secret, Carroll
Shelby,  Ford experimental,  Doane Spencer ("I can get 350 hp out of a 260!")
magic 289 block that can be bored out without regard to water jackets and
still run cooler.  Very rare indeed, possibly the only one in existence!


                                                                             
                                        Jeff

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 18:42:03 2008
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:42:03 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger dyno run video
Message-ID: <d86d088a0812161742v3aea12e3mfdca6d1e0f52539b@mail.gmail.com>

I put the Tiger on the Dyno again a coupe of weeks back. Our local Sunbeam
club had its first dyno day, here is a video for those interested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfJ7BWqSes0&feature=channel_page

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From wsamouce at kc.rr.com  Tue Dec 16 20:57:44 2008
From: wsamouce at kc.rr.com (Samouce's)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:57:44 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] VB Front Valance
In-Reply-To: <13B6BB5545EA4A87A5A9401EEBA871E7@bob>
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Evening all,

I am embarrassed to say I need some advice on the following,

I have read a bit about the quality of the Victoria British valance and have
read good and bad.  I need to replace my valance and would like some
firsthand knowledge.  I had a minor incident in the garage with the car
slipping off of the floor jack (after I had removed the jack stands) and the
cars weight being transferred to the front valance.  Needless to say, the
valance is crushed really badly and will need to be replaced.

Who has used one of these and how is the fit?  Luckily, I live 30 minutes
from VB and can go look at it myself.  But looking will not be an indication
of fit.

If it is indeed a bad fit, the guy doing the repairs would rather fix the
one on the car.

Luckily, my insurance company (Grundy) is paying for the repairs with a 0
deductable.  I highly recommend them.

Thanks,
Duke
B382002037

From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Tue Dec 16 21:42:43 2008
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (Steve Ralsten)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:42:43 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Is this a correct heater valve ?
Message-ID: <001101c96001$e6bba220$6601a8c0@DELL4600>

I don't have a BON or much experience yet so I'll ask the experts.
Is this the correct heater valve for a Mk 1 transition car B9473720 ?

I have a feeling it is from some other Ford product but if it is correct
I'll just try to solve my cable problem.

Steve R

http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/HEATER%20VALVE%202.jpg

From awtiger at cox.net  Tue Dec 16 22:08:05 2008
From: awtiger at cox.net (Andy Walker)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:08:05 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Is this a correct heater valve ?
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Steve:

That is a Mk1 heater valve.  That's as close as you're going to get.  What 
about it makes you think it's not right?

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
B9006857LRX

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Ralsten" <sralsten at ca.rr.com>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 10:42 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Is this a correct heater valve ?


>I don't have a BON or much experience yet so I'll ask the experts.
> Is this the correct heater valve for a Mk 1 transition car B9473720 ?
>
> I have a feeling it is from some other Ford product but if it is correct
> I'll just try to solve my cable problem.
>
> Steve R
>
> http://www.mozartforum.com/images/Eeds%20Tiger/HEATER%20VALVE%202.jpg
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 22:16:12 2008
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:16:12 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Is this a correct heater valve ?
In-Reply-To: <5928941421AF46F4852C140E63C58049@awtigerPC>
References: <001101c96001$e6bba220$6601a8c0@DELL4600>
	<5928941421AF46F4852C140E63C58049@awtigerPC>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0812162116p434d9be9u3b1e8d835a651eb1@mail.gmail.com>

I think steve is wondering if a crossover body car would have the SV/MKIA/II
style valve.. i'd guess no as the crossover bodied SIV alpines use the same
MKI style valve.. or.. more correctly.. SI-IV Alpine valve ;-)
-- 
Regards

Michael King

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Dec 17 06:48:36 2008
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 08:48:36 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Is this a correct heater valve ?
In-Reply-To: <001101c96001$e6bba220$6601a8c0@DELL4600>
Message-ID: <90C328296917477A9235CC80924A3DE2@ronpc1>

Steve
	Rootes Parts list, publication # 6601334 indicates the water valve
you picture Up to B382000000.
The other water valve is listed From B382000001.

I would ask Norm Miller if he has any additional information.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Steve Ralsten
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 11:43 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Is this a correct heater valve ?


I don't have a BON or much experience yet so I'll ask the experts. Is this
the correct heater valve for a Mk 1 transition car B9473720 ?

I have a feeling it is from some other Ford product but if it is correct
I'll just try to solve my cable problem.

Steve R

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From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Wed Dec 17 08:50:00 2008
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:50:00 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Is this a correct heater valve ?
In-Reply-To: <5928941421AF46F4852C140E63C58049@awtigerPC>
Message-ID: <20081217155000.TTJFD.308758.root@cdptpa-web10-z01>

Andy and all...

I know I have a cable problem as it won't move the valve. I thought I'd also address the valve IF it was not correct. The reason I was considering that it might be incorrect is that the angle the cable attaches seems awkward. Also the last time I was at a Tiger gathering with the hood open I had a pair of guys pointing to the valve saying "thats different" I was involved with someone else at the moment and never followed up on that comment, so I asked the list. Also as Mike K observed as long as I'm questioning I was wondering if there was any info regarding parts changes (valve?) other than the changes of leaded seams and hood and door corners in transition cars as mine is a very late Mk 1. Just tring to learn.

Steve R
B9473720




> That is a Mk1 heater valve.  That's as close as you're going to get.  What 
> about it makes you think it's not right?

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Dec 17 09:11:57 2008
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:11:57 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Is this a correct heater valve ?
In-Reply-To: <20081217155000.TTJFD.308758.root@cdptpa-web10-z01>
Message-ID: <3BDDA2952B584BBE8470C7447EF9005E@ronpc1>

Steve
	The picture in TBON looks like the cable is in an awkward position
too.
I have no experience with this style valve but I would look to see if maybe
the bracket could be bent a little, adjusted a little bit or if the cable
mount could be moved a little to help with the angle.

Anyone have a picture of a working valve to send to Steve?

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of sralsten at ca.rr.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:50 AM
To: Andy Walker; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Is this a correct heater valve ?


Andy and all...

I know I have a cable problem as it won't move the valve. I thought I'd also
address the valve IF it was not correct. The reason I was considering that
it might be incorrect is that the angle the cable attaches seems awkward.
Also the last time I was at a Tiger gathering with the hood open I had a
pair of guys pointing to the valve saying "thats different" I was involved
with someone else at the moment and never followed up on that comment, so I
asked the list. Also as Mike K observed as long as I'm questioning I was
wondering if there was any info regarding parts changes (valve?) other than
the changes of leaded seams and hood and door corners in transition cars as
mine is a very late Mk 1. Just tring to learn.

Steve R
B9473720

From spmdr at juno.com  Wed Dec 17 11:31:10 2008
From: spmdr at juno.com (spmdr at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:31:10 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Machine shop questions, 260 vs 289
Message-ID: <20081217.103114.-1882849.3.spmdr@juno.com>

More of my $.02

It should be made clear, the 260 is a DIFFERENT block than a 289 (all 5
bolt )

...At least from the casting thickness standpoint. 

...and /or as they came from the factory!

Ford recommends up to a +.60 over bore with a 260, only +.030 with a 289.

The number of 260 blocks (3.800) bored to 289 (4.00) seems to be going
up!

Several "big Bore" 260 owners claim success.

...and even some books seem to indicate the same casting numbers for some
260 and some 289 (all 5 bolt) blocks.

With the number of BIG BORE 260s out there, could it be that a BB 260 has
confused the casting number world?

...And getting back to bore length, I read about the longer cylinders of
the 302 blocks.

But when you get down to measuring them, the difference goes away into
production variations.

...something about believing NONE of what you READ and only HALF of what
you SEE?

At first glace, the 302 blocks LOOK like they have longer bores.

But that is only because the non thrust sides are shorter.

...by the way, None of the above is is true... but thinking makes it so. 
 ;-)

  DW
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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Wed Dec 17 12:23:29 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:23:29 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Is this a correct heater valve ?
In-Reply-To: <001101c96001$e6bba220$6601a8c0@DELL4600>
References: <001101c96001$e6bba220$6601a8c0@DELL4600>
Message-ID: <494951B1.6050205@SoCal.rr.com>

Steve,

Looks like it.  Here is a pic of mine, but it will be cut from the list 
as it won't accept attachments.

Steve


___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



Steve Ralsten wrote:
> I don't have a BON or much experience yet so I'll ask the experts.
> Is this the correct heater valve for a Mk 1 transition car B9473720 ?
>
> I have a feeling it is from some other Ford product but if it is correct
> I'll just try to solve my cable problem.
>
> Steve R

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 15:40:55 2008
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:40:55 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger dyno run
Message-ID: <d86d088a0812171440i538e31eflaf987b130d5c7b39@mail.gmail.com>

Ok,

I have had a bunch of people ask about the figures for the Dyno run (re the
video i posted), i did write it in the description of the video.. As a side
note you go there to sort out tunning. Find out how your mixtures, igntion
and general air cleaner setup etc are working.. The HP numbers are all BS..
they will change depending on whose dyno you are on and what type of dyno it
is.. not to mention the fact that places often get them to read high so they
have happy customers leaving.

I found out the igntion curve still needs to be set and that i can play a
little more with jetting at the top end. I also found out that with the Air
cleaner on it makes more HP and torque down low and a little less at over
5600.. as a side note we took it to 6,100 this time. the 245.4 according to
their multiplier is 343@ fly.. who knows.. either way. just doing it to play
with the tune.

here is a link to the dyno sheet for those inetrested.

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2470617090054462410CSqtXh

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Wed Dec 17 20:57:18 2008
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:57:18 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Parts Manual
Message-ID: <9DFFE4D2DCE64C87A94BC064AE74163A@your4dacd0ea75>

Here's an obscure question about the Tiger parts manual:

After owning my Alpine/Tiger parts manual for almost a decade I've finally
noticed that a section ZZF is listed in the index as containing a numerical
listing of Tiger parts. I have section ZZ which is the numerical listing for
Alpines but I'm missing the ZZF Tiger section. I'm writing to ask to find out
if other owners actually have this ZZ Tiger numerical parts list or if it
never was included in the first place.

Buck Trippel

From twotigers at verizon.net  Wed Dec 17 21:15:03 2008
From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:15:03 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Parts Manual
References: <9DFFE4D2DCE64C87A94BC064AE74163A@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <001f01c960c7$33e788a0$2f01a8c0@smith>

It's missing from mine, also.

Kirk.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Buck Trippel" <BuckTrippel at Verizon.net>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 7:57 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Parts Manual


> Here's an obscure question about the Tiger parts manual:
>
> After owning my Alpine/Tiger parts manual for almost a decade I've finally
> noticed that a section ZZF is listed in the index as containing a 
> numerical
> listing of Tiger parts. I have section ZZ which is the numerical listing 
> for
> Alpines but I'm missing the ZZF Tiger section. I'm writing to ask to find 
> out
> if other owners actually have this ZZ Tiger numerical parts list or if it
> never was included in the first place.
>
> Buck Trippel
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Dec 17 21:44:41 2008
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:44:41 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Parts Manual
In-Reply-To: <9DFFE4D2DCE64C87A94BC064AE74163A@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <5D6A0DA748204309B1560F22773F6E5A@ronpc1>

Buck
	My copy of Alpine Parts list publication #6600992 has a ZY section
of Bolts, Screws, Nuts and Washers by size and part number and a ZZ section,
numerical index.

Tiger publication #6601131 has the ZZF section numerical index.	This section
is also listed online at TigerUnited.

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/23-ZZF-Numerica
lIndex.pdf

Tiger publication # 6601334 has neither section.

Seems to depend on the publication # in my case.  All of mine are copies so
I can't say for the originals.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Buck Trippel
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:57 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Parts Manual


Here's an obscure question about the Tiger parts manual:

After owning my Alpine/Tiger parts manual for almost a decade I've finally
noticed that a section ZZF is listed in the index as containing a numerical
listing of Tiger parts. I have section ZZ which is the numerical listing for
Alpines but I'm missing the ZZF Tiger section. I'm writing to ask to find
out if other owners actually have this ZZ Tiger numerical parts list or if
it never was included in the first place.

Buck Trippel
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From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Wed Dec 17 22:10:08 2008
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:10:08 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Parts Manual
References: <5D6A0DA748204309B1560F22773F6E5A@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <3EDAD2C4FDF64687B87420E16CCEE87C@your4dacd0ea75>

Thanks for the answers. I'll print out the ZZF section on the TU site.

Buck

----- Original Message ----- 
From: " Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
To: "'Buck Trippel'" <BuckTrippel at Verizon.net>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:44 PM
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Rootes Parts Manual


Buck
My copy of Alpine Parts list publication #6600992 has a ZY section
of Bolts, Screws, Nuts and Washers by size and part number and a ZZ section,
numerical index.

Tiger publication #6601131 has the ZZF section numerical index. This section
is also listed online at TigerUnited.

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/23-ZZF-Numerica
lIndex.pdf

Tiger publication # 6601334 has neither section.

Seems to depend on the publication # in my case.  All of mine are copies so
I can't say for the originals.

Ron Fraser

From GRMTim at aol.com  Thu Dec 18 06:00:57 2008
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:00:57 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Spec
Message-ID: <d3e.39e1dcd5.367ba389@aol.com>

Dave,

I have no secrets. The whole reason we do these projects is to find out the
truth and write about it. Okay, I will admit, that especially in this case, a
small side benefit is I have ended up with the coolest car in the world (at
least my crazy world). The full story was supposed to be in the March issue of
Classic Motorsports, but it got bumped to the May issue. Dealing with the SEMA
and PRI shows and getting our Group 44 GT6 project done, set me back a few
weeks.
The engine is indeed, a 331 stroker. We wanted big power (421 hp at 6200 rpm)
but wanted complete drivability. We got that, as the compression ratio is
only about 10:1. The secret (or at least one of them) is in the heads. We used
Edelbrock's fantastic Performer heads.
The full story, as well a comparison between stock 260, mild 289 and our
engine will be in the May issue. As usual, anyone on the list who has not seen
our
magazine, can get one for free by going to our site.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040
In a message dated 12/16/08 7:49:51 PM, dave at munroe.ca writes:


> Hi Tim;
>   
>  Your engine makes a considerable amount  of (407?) HP, and some of us on
> the Tiger list were speculating that you must have built
>  a stroker.
>   
>  What started all this was a lister who was looking for advice whether or
> not to take his bores out beyond .030", and several respondents
>  replied that .030" was the maximum spec from Ford.
>   
>  I have a 289 bored to .060", with a stroker crank, making it a 331, as do
> many other listers, and it runs like a clock. Getting 407 HP out of a 289,
we
> agree, would not make for a pleasant street engine with the better half in
> the shotgun seat. So, is you engine stroked?
>   
>  Any other specs you would be comfortable to disclose?
>   
>  Cheers,
>   
>  Dave Munroe
>  382000450 LRXFE
>
>







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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Thu Dec 18 13:12:54 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:12:54 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Parts Manual
In-Reply-To: <9DFFE4D2DCE64C87A94BC064AE74163A@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <9DFFE4D2DCE64C87A94BC064AE74163A@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <494AAEC6.1000106@SoCal.rr.com>

Buck, O.M.,

I have FOUND the section ZZF, "Numerical Parts List" to which you 
refer.  It is, as it was, part of the TigersUnited.com Parts List 
(second edition), on the last pages of the 6601131 publication, 2nd 
issue (Jan. 1965), and about 6 pages long.  It lists Part Numbers and 
the Page No. of the Parts List that contains the information.

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/FactParts.asp

It has been on the site courtesy of Peter MacDonald (Canada) for the 87 
pages, and Chris Thompson for converting the original files to .PDF 
format for downloading in whole, or part (22 sections).  A "FREE" pdf 
reader, for Mac and PC, can be downloaded using the Adobe link.

Glad to part the part the "clouds" of "obscurity".

Steve
___

Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



Buck Trippel wrote:
> Here's an obscure question about the Tiger parts manual:
>
> After owning my Alpine/Tiger parts manual for almost a decade I've finally
> noticed that a section ZZF is listed in the index as containing a numerical
> listing of Tiger parts. I have section ZZ which is the numerical listing for
> Alpines but I'm missing the ZZF Tiger section. I'm writing to ask to find out
> if other owners actually have this ZZ Tiger numerical parts list or if it
> never was included in the first place.
>
> Buck Trippel

From sganz at pacbell.net  Thu Dec 18 13:39:43 2008
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:39:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Couple more Web Tools
Message-ID: <759890.9989.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Added a Wire Size Calculator and a Fuel Injector Sizing Calculator to the site, here are the links


http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/WireSizeCalc.html

http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/InjectorSizeCalc.html

Sandy

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Dec 18 13:57:08 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:57:08 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Couple more Web Tools
In-Reply-To: <759890.9989.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <759890.9989.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <494AB924.5060307@mayfco.com>

Very nice, Sandy!

mayf
Sandy Ganz wrote:

>Added a Wire Size Calculator and a Fuel Injector Sizing Calculator to the site, here are the links
>
>
>http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/WireSizeCalc.html
>
>http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/InjectorSizeCalc.html
>
>Sandy

From cars at wt-inc.com  Thu Dec 18 15:50:11 2008
From: cars at wt-inc.com (Lynn Wall)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:50:11 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Header coatings
Message-ID: <004f01c96162$fbd80f60$f3882e20$@com>

My local header coating company has moved and I now am looking for a new
supplier.  I am pretty sure that someone on this list does this for a
living.  Akzo???? Does this sound familiar?  Could this person please
contact me offline?

 

Thanks,  Lynn

From sganz at pacbell.net  Thu Dec 18 15:52:51 2008
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:52:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Couple more Web Tools
Message-ID: <986139.53660.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Catching up ;-) I have to do a couple more then I'll feel I have my web
pratice in for the year!

Sandy



----- Original Message ----
From: drmayf
<drmayf at mayfco.com>
To: Sandy Ganz <sganz at pacbell.net>
Cc:
tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:57:08 PM
Subject:
Re: [Tigers] Couple more Web Tools

Very nice, Sandy!

mayf
Sandy Ganz wrote:
>Added a Wire Size Calculator and a Fuel Injector Sizing Calculator to the
site, here are the links
>
>
>http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/WireSizeCalc.html
>
>http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/InjectorSizeCalc.html
>
>Sandy
>  

From jimdamelio at cox.net  Thu Dec 18 19:36:43 2008
From: jimdamelio at cox.net (Jim D'Amelio)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:36:43 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Rootes Parts Manual
In-Reply-To: <3EDAD2C4FDF64687B87420E16CCEE87C@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <OPEPINKPGDPLMNOHKOIOOEGHKCAA.jimdamelio@cox.net>

The loose leaf part book publication 6601334 "Tiger 260 & 289" that I use to
buy directly from Chrysler's publication dealer never came with the ZZF
section.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Buck Trippel
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:10 AM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rootes Parts Manual


Thanks for the answers. I'll print out the ZZF section on the TU site.

Buck

----- Original Message -----
From: " Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
To: "'Buck Trippel'" <BuckTrippel at Verizon.net>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:44 PM
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Rootes Parts Manual


Buck
My copy of Alpine Parts list publication #6600992 has a ZY section
of Bolts, Screws, Nuts and Washers by size and part number and a ZZ section,
numerical index.

Tiger publication #6601131 has the ZZF section numerical index. This section
is also listed online at TigerUnited.

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/23-ZZF-Numerica
lIndex.pdf

Tiger publication # 6601334 has neither section.

Seems to depend on the publication # in my case.  All of mine are copies so
I can't say for the originals.

Ron Fraser
Tigers at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers

http://www.team.net/archive

From cmccann at lwpb.com  Fri Dec 19 09:40:35 2008
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:40:35 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] FW: 3 Sunbeam Alpine IV 1960's various models $2000 obo -
 $2000 (Oklahoma City)
Message-ID: <4419C83983D4FB47AADD684709064733EF27EA68@LWPB-EX1.LWPB.local>

Friends,
This fellow is selling 3 alpine parts cars here in okc. There is nothing
really unusual here, and Ive talked to him and there arent any Tiger bits.
this guy is out of work and needs to clean out his stuff. I picked his brain
and he doesnt have any unusual parts that he knows of and he did seem
knowledgable about what the valuable stuff would be...so I dont think you will
be surprised about what he has...but in either case, if you need something, he
may have some sheet metal or other bits. Follow the original url link below
and you will see them on craigslist. For example, I asked him about the sheet
metal on the front air dam ( mine is toast) and he didnt have a good one, but
he is really nice, and should be eager to talk to you about it.

I havent seen the cars in person, but I know he still had them as of 2 days
ago. You can paste this url link to pics, or go to craigslist oklahoma city
and search sunbeam:  http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/952062899.html


Later!!



Subject: 3 Sunbeam Alpine IV 1960's various models $2000 obo - $2000 (Oklahoma
City)

3 Sunbeam Alpine IV 1960's various models $2000 obo
Reply to: sale-952062899 at craigslist.org
Date: 2008-12-09, 10:09PM

Intended on purchasing a kit to modify my Sunbeams to accept a Ford 6 cyl
engine and tranny. The changeover appears moderately easy as well as
affordable. Unfortunately I lost my job and am now selling all three of my
Sunbeam Alpine projects. The first is an excellent restoration candidate. Baby
blue with very little rust or body damage. All wiring appears to be present
and in good condition. Engine gone, but tranny remains. Still has original
knock-off wire wheels. Second car is good restoration candidate with some
front end damage to sheet metal (see pictures). No engine, but most body parts
are present. Original red car. Third car is for parts only. Comes with an
extra top frame and various other components. Good donor car, but not a viable
restoration candidate.
Note that I do not know the exact years of the vehicles. The first car has the
IV marking on the boot, but you'll have to be the expert. The others exhibit
some differences (Bonnet has rounded corners toward cab) but are basically the
same.
All 3 cars have been in dry storage for years. None have engines, all need
restoration. Please call only if you are truly interested. Consider
interesting offers but I would prefer to sell outright. Thanks for looking!
Chris
405-923-8644

* Location: Oklahoma City

From Drmoonstone at aol.com  Fri Dec 19 19:16:38 2008
From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:16:38 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Machine shop questions
Message-ID: <d1b.32050d7a.367daf86@aol.com>

My stroker 260 project is nearly completely developed. With boring, stroking 
and the right heads we are approaching 390 hp. The question of reliability is 
still in question. After two builds, we will probably will shoot for some 
smaller hp numbers. If you'd like to talk to my builder, let me know. As a side 
note he has three all aluminum block 289's (1 used block and 2 complete motors) 
that were developed for F1, Indy and the GT 40 program. Too bad, I don't have 
the money to shake one loose from him.

Moonstone


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From Drmoonstone at aol.com  Fri Dec 19 19:38:09 2008
From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:38:09 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger dyno run
Message-ID: <d39.3d7a6271.367db491@aol.com>

Good point. The 260 project I'm doing has eaten two engines so far with Dyno 
at the flywheel approaching 390hp (corrected for temp and pressure) and no 
accessories attached. We are trying to find a happy medium. The engine is 294ci 
and running 10.5 cr. The heads we're using are not available and one of only 
six sets that were tried by Ford racing and discarded...they failed on the Indy 
project and were used briefly in testing of the   GT40 project. I've put a ton 
of money into this and we'll see. The company doing this is BRE Racing Motors 
in Fresno, Ca. The owner was one of the three principal engineers that 
developed the F1 Ford DF motors. 

Joe has also just finished a flat head Ford for Bonneville that with the 
blower puts out 460plus HP. It is going into a car sponsored and owned by Lawson 
Trucking. I know from over hearing the conversations that more than $50,000 has 
gone into the engine...I'm at $10,000 so far and will probably spent another 
$2500.00 if I can hide it from my wife.

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From twojohnsons at cox.net  Sat Dec 20 06:51:03 2008
From: twojohnsons at cox.net (Alvin Johnson)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:51:03 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger dyno run
References: <d39.3d7a6271.367db491@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c962aa$00043d50$6401a8c0@13930193605348f>

Re the flathead---Is that one of those French big displacement blocks? 
I think those are banned from the salts.
Wow! 460 is an unbelieveable yield from a flathead.

From sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net  Sat Dec 20 15:47:37 2008
From: sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net (Paul R Sheahan)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:47:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] South Florida TAC Event January 3, 2009
Message-ID: <857282.48082.qm@web83703.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Ladies and Gentlemen,
      I am in the final planning stages of the South Florida TAC Event on
January 3, 2009.  I would like to know who will be bringing their Tigers to
the event. 
     The weather is great, sorry Northeasterners and Midwesterners, 75 degrees
and sunny and it is a great time to visit us here in Naples. If you have never
visited the Naples area, you are in for a treat.  You guys up north are
welcome if you want to escape the "great white north".  We are the wintering
ground for the great speckled snow bird.......and we love having them.
      Please let me know if you plan to attend.  The TAC Inspection team is
assembled and ready to crawl under some cars.
 
Paul
Paul R Sheahan
Senior TAC Inspector#23

From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Sat Dec 20 16:34:25 2008
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:34:25 EST
Subject: [Tigers] South Florida TAC Event January 3, 2009
Message-ID: <bea.32d3d561.367edb01@aol.com>

Sorry you are GU.
 
 
In a message dated 12/20/2008 2:48:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net writes:

Ladies  and Gentlemen,
I am in the final planning stages of  the South Florida TAC Event on
January 3, 2009.  I would like to know  who will be bringing their Tigers to
the event. 
The  weather is great, sorry Northeasterners and Midwesterners, 75 degrees
and  sunny and it is a great time to visit us here in Naples. If you have  
never
visited the Naples area, you are in for a treat.  You guys up  north are
welcome if you want to escape the "great white north".  We  are the wintering
ground for the great speckled snow bird.......and we love  having them.
Please let me know if you plan to  attend.  The TAC Inspection team is
assembled and ready to crawl under  some cars.

Paul
Paul R Sheahan
Senior TAC  Inspector#23
Tigers at autox.team.net
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From Drmoonstone at aol.com  Sat Dec 20 18:36:05 2008
From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:36:05 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger dyno run
Message-ID: <d01.46a8eb1c.367ef785@aol.com>

No, it is a stock block Ford flat head. It does have some real trick parts. 
I'll try to get a pic, the heads are really something.

moonstone


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From Drmoonstone at aol.com  Sat Dec 20 18:37:17 2008
From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:37:17 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger dyno run
Message-ID: <d38.3d64034b.367ef7cd@aol.com>

Forgot to mention, it's running boost that would even scare DR May    LOL

Sean


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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sat Dec 20 19:45:28 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:45:28 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger dyno run
In-Reply-To: <d38.3d64034b.367ef7cd@aol.com>
References: <d38.3d64034b.367ef7cd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <494DADC8.4050401@mayfco.com>

Nah, boost doesn't scare me, lol. It is the cost of replacing the parts 
every year that scares me!
And put an "f" on the end of my monicker... As mentioned in other memo, 
send some pics..

drmayf


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>
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 20:02:12 2008
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 14:02:12 +1100
Subject: [Tigers] Machine shop questions
In-Reply-To: <d1b.32050d7a.367daf86@aol.com>
References: <d1b.32050d7a.367daf86@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0812201902r4a2194fsf8f308c36580085@mail.gmail.com>

> smaller hp numbers. If you'd like to talk to my builder, let me know. As a
> side
> note he has three all aluminum block 289's (1 used block and 2 complete
> motors)
> that were developed for F1, Indy and the GT 40 program. Too bad, I don't
> have
> the money to shake one loose from him.
>
> Moonstone


Werent the alloy clock motors they tested for the indy and the early GT40s a
quad cam? similar to a DFV? Anyway... unless there was a specific reason to
run such a rare block 9cant imagine any tiger being allowed to run one in
historic classes) why would you not get a world products, or other after
market alloy block

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From Drmoonstone at aol.com  Sun Dec 21 16:21:23 2008
From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:21:23 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Machine shop questions
Message-ID: <d60.3dd9b50f.36802973@aol.com>

Don't really want one except for bragging rights. These engines were tested 
in multiple head configuration. They are just something for the eye to behold

Sean


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From Drmoonstone at aol.com  Sun Dec 21 16:24:28 2008
From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:24:28 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger dyno run
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You got it

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From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Sun Dec 21 16:28:58 2008
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:28:58 EST
Subject: [Tigers] E-Bay Sensor
Message-ID: <d5a.38a5bd80.36802b3a@aol.com>

_http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370124041483_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370124041483) 
Where does this go???  

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From v8tracker at gmail.com  Sun Dec 21 17:34:25 2008
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:34:25 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] E-Bay Sensor
In-Reply-To: <d5a.38a5bd80.36802b3a@aol.com>
References: <d5a.38a5bd80.36802b3a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F1B729B849B14DC1B9D03C6D8D821C83@DellD4700>

There is no place designed by Rootes for it, but I could suggest where the
vendor should put it. It would probably fit easily even if all the vendor's
knowledge of Tigers  were there already.

A. C. Tynes
New Orleans

> -----Original Message-----

>
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370124041483)
> Where does this go???  

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Sun Dec 21 17:38:14 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:38:14 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] O2 Sensor
In-Reply-To: <d5a.38a5bd80.36802b3a@aol.com>
References: <d5a.38a5bd80.36802b3a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <494EE176.5090802@SoCal.rr.com>

Lee,

Believe it, or not, I have a Bosh sensor on my Edelbrock kit.  It is in 
the right bank exhaust pipe just below the manifold. The instrument 
package came with a threaded bung to weld to the manifold sealing the 
hole you make.  Weld first, drill out later - make sure no interference 
in engine compartment.

It is connected to an LED array, and senses Air/Fuel ratio for checking 
engine tuning.  See the difference between idle, part, and full throttle!

Here is an Amazon.com link of my device:

http://www.amazon.com/Edelbrock-6593-Fuel-Ratio-Gauge/dp/B00062YBES


Steve

___
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<http://www.TigersUnited.com>

http://autospeed.com/cms/A_3032/article.html

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> _http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370124041483_ 
> (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370124041483) 
> Where does this go???  
>
> B382002560

From rjw at wengco.com  Mon Dec 22 05:27:49 2008
From: rjw at wengco.com (Robert J. Wanty)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:27:49 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable
Message-ID: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C5C01B0C@weco1.wengco.com>

I need a new cable and I see SS has one for $80 and VB has one for $22
it seems to me that somewhere in between should be the price, has anyone
got an opinion as to which one I should purchase?



Bob

B382001318

From chris at cthompson.net  Mon Dec 22 05:34:24 2008
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:34:24 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable
In-Reply-To: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C5C01B0C@weco1.wengco.com>
References: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C5C01B0C@weco1.wengco.com>
Message-ID: <494F8950.2050106@cthompson.net>

The difference in price is due to Rick having the right one.

Ask me how I know.

Chris
B382000331

Robert J. Wanty wrote:
> I need a new cable and I see SS has one for $80 and VB has one for $22
> it seems to me that somewhere in between should be the price, has anyone
> got an opinion as to which one I should purchase?
>
>
>
> Bob
>
> B382001318

From rjw at wengco.com  Mon Dec 22 05:54:22 2008
From: rjw at wengco.com (Robert J. Wanty)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:54:22 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable
Message-ID: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C5C01B0E@weco1.wengco.com>

That is what I assumed but go ahead and enlighten me.
Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Thompson [mailto:chris at cthompson.net]
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 7:34 AM
To: Robert J. Wanty
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speedo Cable

The difference in price is due to Rick having the right one.

Ask me how I know.

Chris
B382000331

Robert J. Wanty wrote:
> I need a new cable and I see SS has one for $80 and VB has one for $22
> it seems to me that somewhere in between should be the price, has
anyone
> got an opinion as to which one I should purchase?
>
>
>
> Bob
>
> B382001318

From parlanti at comcast.net  Mon Dec 22 06:52:45 2008
From: parlanti at comcast.net (parlanti at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:52:45 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] O2 Sensor
Message-ID: <122220081352.7235.494F9BAD0003FB7D00001C432216554886079B020E049D0E9F@comcast.net>

For those of you who like to fiddle with electronics, there are several simple circuits to build the A/F meter. Here's one:

http://www.autospeed.com/A_0217/cms/article.html

and a link to the kit if you don't like to scratch build:

http://store.autospeed.com/Items/14459?&caSKU=14459&caTitle=Mixture%20Display%20Kit%20For%20Fuel%20Injected%20Cars

When I had my exhaust system built, I put in an O2 bung just aft of each header, before the "H" pipe. Someday, I'll get around to building 2 of these meters and be able to watch each bank of cylinders.

Cheers,

JVP
1966 Mk1a B382000026
1959 Abarth Zagato 750GT

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-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Steve Laifman <SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com> 

> Lee, 
> 
> Believe it, or not, I have a Bosh sensor on my Edelbrock kit. It is in 
> the right bank exhaust pipe just below the manifold. The instrument 
> package came with a threaded bung to weld to the manifold sealing the 
> hole you make. Weld first, drill out later - make sure no interference 
> in engine compartment. 
> 
> It is connected to an LED array, and senses Air/Fuel ratio for checking 
> engine tuning. See the difference between idle, part, and full throttle! 
> 
> Here is an Amazon.com link of my device: 
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/Edelbrock-6593-Fuel-Ratio-Gauge/dp/B00062YBES 

snip ...

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Dec 22 08:02:20 2008
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:02:20 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable
In-Reply-To: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C5C01B0C@weco1.wengco.com>
Message-ID: <C0BF155E18D1435D8AA90CC1BAF23684@ronpc1>

Bob
	Always support our Sunbeam vender; Sunbeam Specialties or Classic
Sunbeam.   They know the right parts and they carry them.

Original Ford part # for the speedo cable is C4JZ-17260-A, LHD.


http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/7-GF-GearboxUni
t.pdf

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Robert J. Wanty
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 7:28 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable


I need a new cable and I see SS has one for $80 and VB has one for $22 it
seems to me that somewhere in between should be the price, has anyone got an
opinion as to which one I should purchase?



Bob

B382001318
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From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Mon Dec 22 09:06:16 2008
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (sralsten at ca.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:06:16 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Gauge accuracy issues
In-Reply-To: <360191352.1229933777617.JavaMail.SYSTEM@rc-v3conta004>
Message-ID: <20081222160616.PPQKV.363362.root@cdptpa-web20-z02>

The post on speedo cable got me to thinking about this.

Both my tach and speedo function, but both report wrong. Tach is clearly too high
while speedo is clearly too low. Both are proper Jaeger instruments. The tach is regularly 1k to 1.5k too high. The speedo will report anywhere from 45mph to 55 mph when actual speed is in the 65mph area. Interesting also that the odometer is correct even though the speedo is wrong.

Fixing this is not very high on my priority list but was interested in suggestions.
The odometer being correct would indicate that the speedo cable is probably correct right ?  Is this just a gauge calibration issue ?

Thanks

Steve R
B9473720

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Dec 22 10:12:01 2008
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:12:01 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Gauge accuracy issues
References: <20081222160616.PPQKV.363362.root@cdptpa-web20-z02>
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5F58F@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

The tach can be wrong for two reasons: Either there is too much noise on
the ignition circuit causing the tach to mis-trigger, or the capacitors
and regulation circuit inside the tach have expired and together make
the tach both incorrect and temperature sensitive. The latter is much
more common with stock wiring while the former can occur (but it doesn't
always) with Pertronix modules.

You can get the tach rebuilt with OEM guts by a place such as
Nissonger's or you can get the module I build installed by Tom Hall or
myself. The module we install can be driven directly by MSD ignition
controllers and works properly with Pertronix modules as well, so if you
are thinking of going this route then that may be an advantage.

Cheers,
theo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sralsten at ca.rr.com
> Sent: December 22, 2008 9:06 AM
> To: Tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Gauge accuracy issues
>
> The post on speedo cable got me to thinking about this.
>
> Both my tach and speedo function, but both report wrong. Tach
> is clearly too high while speedo is clearly too low. Both are
> proper Jaeger instruments. The tach is regularly 1k to 1.5k
> too high. The speedo will report anywhere from 45mph to 55
> mph when actual speed is in the 65mph area. Interesting also
> that the odometer is correct even though the speedo is wrong.
>
> Fixing this is not very high on my priority list but was
> interested in suggestions.
> The odometer being correct would indicate that the speedo
> cable is probably correct right ?  Is this just a gauge
> calibration issue ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve R
> B9473720
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Dec 22 10:39:04 2008
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:39:04 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Gauge accuracy issues
In-Reply-To: <20081222160616.PPQKV.363362.root@cdptpa-web20-z02>
Message-ID: <F62E03B2F8E843D59F3364742801C381@ronpc1>

Steve
	This is pretty typical of the Jaeger gauges.

	The Tach will usually vary due to temperature changes too.   When I
was having problems with my Tach I took it apart and found that the rosin on
the solder joints was flaking off and getting into the workings.   I
carefully cleaned all the rosin off the circuit board and very gently blew
all the rosin out of the workings.  It worked much better after the
cleaning.   There is a potentiometer that you can adjust to bring the RPM
reading closer to real.   There is also a circuit board that can be added to
eliminate most of these problems.

http://www.stoa-tigerclub.com/tech/stoa_tech_9904.pdf

http://members.shaw.ca/tsmit/tachmod/tachmod.html

http://members.shaw.ca/tsmit/tachmod/tachmod0.html



	The speedometer can also get dirty inside and need cleaning but
there are other problems that can cause it to read low.   If it always reads
low, you can recalibrate it by moving the needle up.  One of the best
article I have found about speedometers is by Anthony Rhodes.   Read this
article before you do anything.

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/Rhoades-Speedo/rt-Rhoades-Speedo1.asp

Ron Fraser



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of sralsten at ca.rr.com
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:06 AM
To: Tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Gauge accuracy issues


The post on speedo cable got me to thinking about this.

Both my tach and speedo function, but both report wrong. Tach is clearly too
high while speedo is clearly too low. Both are proper Jaeger instruments.
The tach is regularly 1k to 1.5k too high. The speedo will report anywhere
from 45mph to 55 mph when actual speed is in the 65mph area. Interesting
also that the odometer is correct even though the speedo is wrong.

Fixing this is not very high on my priority list but was interested in
suggestions. The odometer being correct would indicate that the speedo cable
is probably correct right ?  Is this just a gauge calibration issue ?

Thanks

Steve R
B9473720
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From tsmit at shaw.ca  Mon Dec 22 11:06:40 2008
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:06:40 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] South Florida TAC Event January 3, 2009
In-Reply-To: <857282.48082.qm@web83703.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <857282.48082.qm@web83703.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <494FD730.6080103@shaw.ca>

We're heading into the third week of -20F overnight lows and balmy 0 F 
daytime highs. There's two feet of snowbank on each side of the driveway 
so I finally broke down and got a snow blower. Heated garages are 
great... the only things that suck right now is the wind chill factor 
and driving in the city is a mess. Good Tiger building weather - if it's 
warmer there's always something else that has to get done.

Theo




Paul R Sheahan wrote:
> <snip>
> You guys up north are
> welcome if you want to escape the "great white north".  We are the wintering
> ground for the great speckled snow bird.......and we love having them.

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Mon Dec 22 12:12:14 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:12:14 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable
In-Reply-To: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C5C01B0C@weco1.wengco.com>
References: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C5C01B0C@weco1.wengco.com>
Message-ID: <494FE68E.3010203@SoCal.rr.com>

Bob,

I have faced similar issues and found out something valuable.  If it is 
your inner core that is bad, and your housing is good, the cable can be 
replaced with a new, heavy duty, AMERICAN cable. In this area, the Tiger 
is superior to the Alpine.  Tiger speedo gear is from FORD, and any 
decent speedo repair shop can use your old core, make a replacement from 
his own US stock, and it can be inserted back through the cable to the 
speedo drive gear. 

If both the inner and outer core are bad, he can make up a new one with 
his Ford fitting parts.

Many shops, unfamiliar with this fact, say they don't do "foreign" 
cars.  In this case, this is an American part from their own stock.

Many thousands of miles later, the cable is still good.

Steve

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Robert J. Wanty wrote:
> I need a new cable and I see SS has one for $80 and VB has one for $22
> it seems to me that somewhere in between should be the price, has anyone
> got an opinion as to which one I should purchase?
>
>
>
> Bob
>
> B382001318

From glowboy at starstream.net  Mon Dec 22 14:31:01 2008
From: glowboy at starstream.net (DERRICK SCHMIDT)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:31:01 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] FWD: M3 Beats Prius?WTF?@#!
Message-ID: <200812221331.AA96469380@mail.starstream.net>

You might be thinking.."but of course..", but it actually beats the Prius in
MPG's!
Just doing my part to save the environment, watch.....
 
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=MXPCckjTMVg


 NcN
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From fastsage at cox.net  Mon Dec 22 15:42:10 2008
From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:42:10 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Gauge accuracy issues
In-Reply-To: <20081222160616.PPQKV.363362.root@cdptpa-web20-z02>
References: <20081222160616.PPQKV.363362.root@cdptpa-web20-z02>
Message-ID: <495017C2.8010904@cox.net>

My speedo works fine mechanically but only shows about 68 or so when I'm 
really going 75. I've verified the reading differential with two modern 
cars and comparing speed readings by cell phone.

One of the comments (in either the Tigers United article or an email) 
suggested just re-positioning the speedo needle. How does that work? Do 
you just gently pull the needle off its spindle and reposition it a bit?

I've paid to have the speedo re-calibrated a couple of times but it's 
still nowhere near accurate.

Thanks!
Steve Sage
1966 MK1A




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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Mon Dec 22 18:37:03 2008
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:37:03 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Gauge accuracy issues
References: <20081222160616.PPQKV.363362.root@cdptpa-web20-z02>
	<495017C2.8010904@cox.net>
Message-ID: <2CB54CF6037B481BA0DE20A0F8D5ABD0@student2>

I have an old Garmin III GPS that is quite accurate on speed and is 
transferable to any of my (inaccurate reading) cars.  While mine was only 
$5.95 (I found it in a thrift store) I did a quick check on Ebay and they 
were typically selling between $25-$50.  There may be other units out there 
that are a better deal.
  So, while an original working speedo would be ideal, the GPS is a quick 
and viable alternative to say..,  - getting a ticket for speeding. On a 
closing note, they are subject to "seeing" the satellites to actually work.
Tom 


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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Mon Dec 22 19:34:57 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:34:57 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] FWD: M3 Beats Prius?WTF?@#!
In-Reply-To: <200812221331.AA96469380@mail.starstream.net>
References: <200812221331.AA96469380@mail.starstream.net>
Message-ID: <49504E51.8060102@SoCal.rr.com>

Keeper Link, Derrick,

This is the funniest, and most informative, show on TV.  BBC-A, if you 
have cable. And now they are in High Def in my area.  But the U-Tube 
site  carries the best shows, eventually.

Steve

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DERRICK SCHMIDT wrote:
> You might be thinking.."but of course..", but it actually beats the Prius in
> MPG's!
> Just doing my part to save the environment, watch.....
>  
> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=MXPCckjTMVg
>
>
>  NcN
> m a t i c p a v l e

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Mon Dec 22 19:42:13 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:42:13 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Gauge accuracy issues
In-Reply-To: <495017C2.8010904@cox.net>
References: <20081222160616.PPQKV.363362.root@cdptpa-web20-z02>
	<495017C2.8010904@cox.net>
Message-ID: <49505005.3000804@SoCal.rr.com>

Steve S., and Tigers,

My recent post tell of my experience with speedo's (Tiger Speedo 
Cable).  The hairspring on the needle, internal to the speedo, is 
adjustable by speedo repair shops that will handle British Gauges, and 
is just a tensioning adjustment of the spiral hair spring, much like a 
wristwatch (non-quartz).  Linearity not adjustable, so pick the speed 
that you want accurate measurement, and the rest fall where they fall.  
It's the odometer that is tricky.

Steve

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Steve Sage wrote:
> My speedo works fine mechanically but only shows about 68 or so when 
> I'm really going 75. I've verified the reading differential with two 
> modern cars and comparing speed readings by cell phone.
>
> One of the comments (in either the Tigers United article or an email) 
> suggested just re-positioning the speedo needle. How does that work? 
> Do you just gently pull the needle off its spindle and reposition it a 
> bit?
>
> I've paid to have the speedo re-calibrated a couple of times but it's 
> still nowhere near accurate.
>
> Thanks!
> Steve Sage
> 1966 MK1A

From BEAU2EVE at aol.com  Tue Dec 23 10:23:31 2008
From: BEAU2EVE at aol.com (BEAU2EVE at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:23:31 EST
Subject: [Tigers] speedometer check
Message-ID: <c20.4bf9abf6.36827893@aol.com>

Use a GPS to check your speed, most of these units have the ability to show  
speed fairly accurately., Better than someone following you in a chase  car. 
 
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 23 11:00:56 2008
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:00:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] speedometer check
In-Reply-To: <c20.4bf9abf6.36827893@aol.com>
Message-ID: <783988.92156.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I was wondering about tire/wheel size. I dont remember that being mentioned. A recalibration or gear change(if available) would help, IF that was the cause. Im thinking he has had it to a shop previously, so Im prolly off base.

I will take this time to send EVERYONE and their familes the Happiest of Xmas wishes and may the New year bring more miles driving your Tiger/Alpine etc. and may your gas tanks remain full not only longer but at the recent lower cost.

TonytheTiger


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> Subject: [Tigers] speedometer check
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 11:23 AM
> Use a GPS to check your speed, most of these units have the
> ability to show  
> speed fairly accurately., Better than someone following you
> in a chase  car. 
>  
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From mmichels at socal.rr.com  Tue Dec 23 16:04:04 2008
From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:04:04 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable
References: <C0BF155E18D1435D8AA90CC1BAF23684@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <F22587FB8786447992A154B0F1E02D12@delldimension>

The VB cable did not work on my Mk1A. Go with Sunbeam Specialities for this 
item.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: " Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
To: "'Robert J. Wanty'" <rjw at wengco.com>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 7:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speedo Cable


> Bob
> Always support our Sunbeam vender; Sunbeam Specialties or Classic
> Sunbeam.   They know the right parts and they carry them.
>
> Original Ford part # for the speedo cable is C4JZ-17260-A, LHD.
>
>
> http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/Parts_List/7-GF-GearboxUni
> t.pdf
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Robert J. Wanty
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 7:28 AM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable
>
>
> I need a new cable and I see SS has one for $80 and VB has one for $22 it
> seems to me that somewhere in between should be the price, has anyone got 
> an
> opinion as to which one I should purchase?
>
>
>
> Bob
>
> B382001318
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From DJoh797014 at aol.com  Tue Dec 23 17:10:03 2008
From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:10:03 EST
Subject: [Tigers] speedometer check
Message-ID: <c8b.3c69dad0.3682d7db@aol.com>

Use a stop watch and the mile markers on an Interstate.
1 mile in 1 minute equal 60 mph.  Try it for 5 miles and you
will have a good average.Included tire size, wheel size,
gear ratios etc.
 
Dave  Marry Christmas from Icy Indianapolis.
 
 
In a message dated 12/23/2008 11:24:22 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
BEAU2EVE at aol.com writes:

Use a  GPS to check your speed, most of these units have the ability to show  
 
speed fairly accurately., Better than someone following you in a  chase  car. 

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From mmichels at socal.rr.com  Tue Dec 23 22:09:20 2008
From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:09:20 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable
References: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C5C01B0C@weco1.wengco.com>
Message-ID: <A6AFD813344849318B0EE7315104A6B9@delldimension>

I got mine from C.A.T. parts and it fits perfectly. 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert J. Wanty" <rjw at wengco.com>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 4:27 AM
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable


>I need a new cable and I see SS has one for $80 and VB has one for $22
> it seems to me that somewhere in between should be the price, has anyone
> got an opinion as to which one I should purchase?
> 
> 
> 
> Bob
> 
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From Carmods at aol.com  Wed Dec 24 07:41:30 2008
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:41:30 EST
Subject: [Tigers] speedometer
Message-ID: <bcd.42d5d9d3.3683a41a@aol.com>

Speedometer Error
Since your first E-mail said that the odometer reads miles correctly, the  
problem is in the speedometer head, not the driven gear or wheel size. As  
mentioned in previous suggestions, it can be corrected with either the movement  of 
the needle on the shaft or adjustment of the hair spring. Some oiling of the  
needle shaft bearings and all the other bearings will help. Also mentioned  
earlier, the readings may not be linier so make the adjustments so  that the 
speedometer reads correctly at your favorite speed. 
John Logan
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Wed Dec 24 08:11:52 2008
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:11:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Gauge accuracy issues
In-Reply-To: <495017C2.8010904@cox.net>
Message-ID: <1549126787.637411230131512768.JavaMail.root@sz0064a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Hi Steve,
Yes, you can just reposition the needle.

Disassemble it.
Move the needle up to 68.  While holding it there from the backside, move the needle up to 75.
Reassemble and reinstall.

BUT, be very careful.. if it won't move, don't bend it for instance.  The needle is just force fit
to the shaft, if it won't  move as above, you may need to remove it first by pulling it straight
out.  But to do that, be even MORE careful.

Gary

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Sage 

Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net

Sent: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:42:10 +0000 (UTC)

Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gauge accuracy issues



My speedo works fine mechanically but only shows about 68 or so when I'm 

really going 75. I've verified the reading differential with two modern 

cars and comparing speed readings by cell phone.



One of the comments (in either the Tigers United article or an email) 

suggested just re-positioning the speedo needle. How does that work? Do 

you just gently pull the needle off its spindle and reposition it a bit?



I've paid to have the speedo re-calibrated a couple of times but it's 

still nowhere near accurate.



Thanks!

Steve Sage

1966 MK1A

From marden at mistral.co.uk  Thu Dec 25 05:00:12 2008
From: marden at mistral.co.uk (marden at mistral.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:00:12 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
Message-ID: <61358.1230206412@mistral.co.uk>

	Hi to All,

	May I be the first from this side of the pond to wish all on the
other side of he pond a very Merry Christmas and a happy TIGERING New
Year.

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From awtiger at cox.net  Thu Dec 25 08:48:19 2008
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:48:19 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <61358.1230206412@mistral.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20081225104819.8I17T.109000.imail@eastrmwml14>

Martin:

Merry Christmas to you and yours and all of our fellow English Tiger owners over there!!!!  May you all have a healthy and prosperous New Year!!

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
B9006857LRX

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From CMeinel464 at aol.com  Thu Dec 25 09:26:56 2008
From: CMeinel464 at aol.com (CMeinel464 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 11:26:56 EST
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
Message-ID: <ceb.4ce045c0.36850e50@aol.com>

To all our Tiger & Alpine friends,
 
Happy holidays to all ! Wishing you the best of the Holiday season 
and a Happy New Year.
 
Curt & Patti Meinel
Classic Sunbeam Inc.
 
 
In a message dated 12/25/2008 10:48:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
awtiger at cox.net writes:

Martin:

Merry Christmas to you and yours and all of our fellow  English Tiger owners 
over there!!!!  May you all have a healthy and  prosperous New Year!!

Andy Walker
Edmond,  OK
B382001600LRXFE
B9006857LRX

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> Year.
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From Pld767 at aol.com  Fri Dec 26 10:38:07 2008
From: Pld767 at aol.com (Pld767 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:38:07 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Water pump
Message-ID: <d02.4aa8b8f3.3686707f@aol.com>

Anyone know where to get the stock vane aluminum water pump mentioned in  
cooling article?
All I can find is the paddle type.
B382000002
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From sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net  Fri Dec 26 10:42:08 2008
From: sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net (Paul R Sheahan)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 09:42:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] TAC Event January 3rd 2009
Message-ID: <435055.79082.qm@web83710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Ladies and Gentlemen,
      The date is set, the location is secured, so mark your calenders.  We
will be holding the New Year's first TAC Event on Saturday January 3rd at my
storage facility in Estero, Florida at 12 noon.  You are welcome to come early
if you can make it.
      The facility is located at 19580 South Tamiami Trail, Ft. Myers, Florida
33908.  Take Interstate 75 to exit 128 Alico Road.  Turn west to Highway 41. 
At Highway 41 turn left. Go about 3 miles and the faciltiy is on the
left.   The entry code is 7021# followed by 18697*.  If you have any questions
or problems, my cell phone number is 704 564 3931.
      Don't expect much as this is just a storage facility but it will be a
good opportunity to see some nice cars as well as my South African Tiger.  I
hope to see you there.
      You west coast and midwest guys might want to start driving over the
weekend............................
 
Paul
Paul R Sheahan

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Sun Dec 28 10:58:15 2008
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:58:15 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Speedo and Tach
Message-ID: <4957BE37.1050903@roadrunner.com>

IMHO the solution to the tach problems is to have Tom Hall (or Theo) 
replace the insides with their electronic circuit.  The price is about 
the same as a rebuild by Nisonger (or maybe less, I haven't checked in a 
while).  I sent Tom a Series IV Alpine tach that reads to 7000 and he 
used it to make a tach for my Tiger.  It does say (in small letters) 4 
cyl positive earth but otherwise matches the stock gauges  (at least for 
MkI's and MkIA's - use a Series V Alpine if you want to match the MkII 
gauges).  It works great with my Pertronix setup and will continue to 
work that way for a long time, probably longer than I will.  Next on my 
list is the speedo which reads about 10 mph low.  The article Ron Fraser 
refers to has lots of good info in it, so I may try it on the spare that 
I have.  Otherwise, I think it has to go to someone who knows what they 
are doing.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From dave at munroe.ca  Sun Dec 28 13:07:34 2008
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:07:34 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Sunvisors Missing in Action
In-Reply-To: <4957BE37.1050903@roadrunner.com>
References: <4957BE37.1050903@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <258CD7761465400C9EF4512B22F53129@DavePC>

This may be a naive question, but at least I am consistent!

Why is it that fewTigers are seen with sun visors mounted? Not part of the 
car as supplied new? In the way of the soft top?
Block the view?

My car does not have them, and it has been a problem occasionally driving 
into the sun. So I was contemplating a new set from Sunbeam Specialties.

Any good reason for their relative scarcity?

Dave 

From jim at island.net  Sun Dec 28 13:28:48 2008
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:28:48 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Sunvisors Missing in Action
In-Reply-To: <258CD7761465400C9EF4512B22F53129@DavePC>
Message-ID: <014f01c9692a$e3f99f60$4101a8c0@JIMPC>

Dave

I'm pretty sure they were optional on the Tiger ... I've recently read that
they were standard on the Alpine GT's though...
I was missing both the visors and outer brackets... got new visors AND
polished stainless brackets from S.S. ... not a cheap deal, but the quality
of both is outstanding!!

Jim
B382000446



-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Dave Munroe
Sent: December 28, 2008 12:08 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunvisors Missing in Action

This may be a naive question, but at least I am consistent!

Why is it that fewTigers are seen with sun visors mounted? Not part of the 
car as supplied new? In the way of the soft top?
Block the view?

My car does not have them, and it has been a problem occasionally driving 
into the sun. So I was contemplating a new set from Sunbeam Specialties.

Any good reason for their relative scarcity?

Dave 
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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Sun Dec 28 13:31:34 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:31:34 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Speedometer
In-Reply-To: <bcd.42d5d9d3.3683a41a@aol.com>
References: <bcd.42d5d9d3.3683a41a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4957E226.40205@SoCal.rr.com>

Tigers,

A lot has been bounced around, lately, about Tiger Speedometers.  As is 
usual, TigersUnited.com has a very definitive article 2002 about 
rebuilding the Tiger Speedometer by one of our best contributors, Larry 
Paulick.

Abundantly illustrated, located in the "Technical Tips" section (easily 
found under the folder tab at the top:

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/PaulickSpeedo/rt-PaulickSpeedo1.asp

in addition, Tony Rhodes has a manual at his page:

As is his usual practice, it is well written section on the Jaeger & 
Smiths Speedo at:

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/Rhoades-Speedo/rt-Rhoades-Speedo2.asp

as well as the Smiths/Jaeger Repair PDF Manual at:

http://home.comcast.net/~rhodes/speedo.html

Thank you Larry and Tony.

Steve

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From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net  Sun Dec 28 13:33:57 2008
From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:33:57 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Sunvisors Missing in Action
In-Reply-To: <258CD7761465400C9EF4512B22F53129@DavePC>
References: <4957BE37.1050903@roadrunner.com>
	<258CD7761465400C9EF4512B22F53129@DavePC>
Message-ID: <EC869D66909141F98D5F85B01E777282@ROSS>

Dave,

They were optional equipment and options in the states were not well
publicized.  When I bought my new Tiger in 1967 (a 947 car) I did not know
options were even available and the dealer never told me of any.  I bought
the car in Seattle while I was stationed on Whidbey Island in the Navy.

Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse 
 


Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunvisors Missing in Action

This may be a naive question, but at least I am consistent!

Why is it that fewTigers are seen with sun visors mounted? Not part of the 
car as supplied new? In the way of the soft top?
Block the view?

My car does not have them, and it has been a problem occasionally driving 
into the sun. So I was contemplating a new set from Sunbeam Specialties.

Any good reason for their relative scarcity?

Dave 

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Sun Dec 28 13:35:58 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:35:58 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Sunvisors Missing in Action
In-Reply-To: <258CD7761465400C9EF4512B22F53129@DavePC>
References: <4957BE37.1050903@roadrunner.com>
	<258CD7761465400C9EF4512B22F53129@DavePC>
Message-ID: <4957E32E.3030006@SoCal.rr.com>

Dave,

I do believe they were "options", as my Tiger did not come with them.  
However I did buy a set from SS and they are very well made.  I believe 
that the metal parts are stainless, as well.  Not in the way of anything 
but the sun, and only blocks your view of the sun.

Tell Rick that Steve recommended his product.


Steve

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Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



Dave Munroe wrote:
> This may be a naive question, but at least I am consistent!
>
> Why is it that fewTigers are seen with sun visors mounted? Not part of 
> the car as supplied new? In the way of the soft top?
> Block the view?
>
> My car does not have them, and it has been a problem occasionally 
> driving into the sun. So I was contemplating a new set from Sunbeam 
> Specialties.
>
> Any good reason for their relative scarcity?
>
> Dave

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sun Dec 28 13:37:51 2008
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:37:51 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Sunvisors Missing in Action
In-Reply-To: <258CD7761465400C9EF4512B22F53129@DavePC>
Message-ID: <8ADC25E280254355BDA6B3A5A7BCEA48@ronpc1>

Dave
	I'm sure Rick at Sunbeam Specialties could tell you.

It seems to me that Tiger Tom stated that the originals had a poor steel
frame in them that just rusted away but I could be mistaken.

The parts SS sells for the visors are made of stainless steel.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Dave Munroe
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 3:08 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunvisors Missing in Action


This may be a naive question, but at least I am consistent!

Why is it that fewTigers are seen with sun visors mounted? Not part of the 
car as supplied new? In the way of the soft top?
Block the view?

My car does not have them, and it has been a problem occasionally driving 
into the sun. So I was contemplating a new set from Sunbeam Specialties.

Any good reason for their relative scarcity?

Dave 
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From dave at munroe.ca  Sun Dec 28 14:25:27 2008
From: dave at munroe.ca (Dave Munroe)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:25:27 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Sunvisors Missing in Action
In-Reply-To: <8ADC25E280254355BDA6B3A5A7BCEA48@ronpc1>
References: <8ADC25E280254355BDA6B3A5A7BCEA48@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <85AF5D6A1DE54EC19E41377B1D3C92F2@DavePC>

Thanks to Ross Hulse, Steve Laifman and Ron Fraser, sunvisors may soon ride 
in the sun on my Tiger.

It appears the sunvisors were a poorly promoted option, and were of 
questionable quality, so either never were fit, or rusted off, Tigers
early on.

The sunvisors offered by Sumbeam Specialties are highly regarded, so I will 
be speaking with them tomorrow.

Many thanks for the input.

Cheers, and a Happy new Year to all you great Tiger luminaries who never 
fail to come up with the answers!

Dave 

From srwick at hotmail.com  Sun Dec 28 15:37:12 2008
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 14:37:12 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Sunvisors Missing in Action
In-Reply-To: <8ADC25E280254355BDA6B3A5A7BCEA48@ronpc1>
	<85AF5D6A1DE54EC19E41377B1D3C92F2@DavePC>
References: <8ADC25E280254355BDA6B3A5A7BCEA48@ronpc1>
	<85AF5D6A1DE54EC19E41377B1D3C92F2@DavePC>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DS30876D5BCE197B38CAE26D8E90@phx.gbl>

I too, got my sunvisors from SS and like them. I would only add to make sure
your center post has the springs still in it or your visor will fall out. Mine
only had a spring on one side.

Steve (in N. Idaho, under several feet of snow.)
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Dave Munroe<mailto:dave at munroe.ca>
  To: tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 1:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tigers] Sunvisors Missing in Action


  Thanks to Ross Hulse, Steve Laifman and Ron Fraser, sunvisors may soon ride
  in the sun on my Tiger.

  It appears the sunvisors were a poorly promoted option, and were of
  questionable quality, so either never were fit, or rusted off, Tigers
  early on.

  The sunvisors offered by Sumbeam Specialties are highly regarded, so I will
  be speaking with them tomorrow.

  Many thanks for the input.

  Cheers, and a Happy new Year to all you great Tiger luminaries who never
  fail to come up with the answers!

  Dave
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From TIGEROOTES at aol.com  Mon Dec 29 12:51:01 2008
From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:51:01 EST
Subject: [Tigers] sun visors
Message-ID: <ca0.45fc3004.368a8425@aol.com>

I'm not sure about Rick's replacement sun visors and brackets, but the 
originals have a "locking device" machined into the outer brackets and a 
corresponding special shape to the outer ends of the visor support rods, allowing them to 
be set in one of two positions ... up or down, and they are not adjustible in 
the center range.  The original outer brackets were a soft material, and they 
tended to strip away this "lock" and I bet many got tired of having their 
fall visors down into their view, all the time.  I did.
Jim Leach    Pacific Tiger Club     Seattle 


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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Mon Dec 29 13:16:33 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:16:33 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] sun visors
In-Reply-To: <ca0.45fc3004.368a8425@aol.com>
References: <ca0.45fc3004.368a8425@aol.com>
Message-ID: <49593021.60203@SoCal.rr.com>

Jim, and Tigers,

Firstly, I hope you all have a Happy New Year, and watch the Rose 
Parade.  It will be in the 70's here.

Second, I just ran out and checked my SS sun visors.  They appear to 
have a friction "lock" that allows placing it in any location, and 
holding it.  I do not know if the originals did, but mine are 10 years 
old, and still look and work fine - including the cover material.

Steve

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<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



TIGEROOTES at aol.com wrote:
> I'm not sure about Rick's replacement sun visors and brackets, but the 
> originals have a "locking device" machined into the outer brackets and a 
> corresponding special shape to the outer ends of the visor support rods, allowing them to 
> be set in one of two positions ... up or down, and they are not adjustible in 
> the center range.  The original outer brackets were a soft material, and they 
> tended to strip away this "lock" and I bet many got tired of having their 
> fall visors down into their view, all the time.  I did.
> Jim Leach    Pacific Tiger Club     Seattle 

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Mon Dec 29 13:28:41 2008
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:28:41 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Sunvisors Missing
Message-ID: <495932F9.5020200@roadrunner.com>

Dave, et al:

The sunvisors were an option as noted by others.  They are listed in the 
accessories catalog on TigersUnited at

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/Dealer_Accessories/SunbeamBrochure.pdf

Steve will probably beat me to this bit of info.

I, too, did not know of this catalog when I got my Tiger but I 
discovered that JC Whitney used to sell a set of visors that fit.  Not 
as nice as the factory ones, or the ones from SS, but I have had those 
on my car for a long time.  They came with brackets which bolted right 
onto my windshield surround on one side but not on the mirror side.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From rande at thecia.net  Mon Dec 29 17:05:13 2008
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:05:13 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Sunvisors
Message-ID: <495965b9.3075.0@thecia.net>

According to the Bill Carroll book, sunvisors stopped being included in Tiger
production starting with B382002524.

According to the January 1968 parts catalog, sunvisors were fitted to Alpine
V cars and Tiger starting with the following serial numbers: B395013294 for
Alpine GT, B395011028 for the 'Std' model, and B382002524 for Tigers.

My Tiger 1A (#48) came with them, but I can only vouch for them back to 1972.


The Series V and Tiger accessory folder still showed them as a kit

The Tiger Mk II sales folders for the Canadian and European market didn't list
them in the equipment section

From geowiz.sgy at cox.net  Mon Dec 29 21:36:27 2008
From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:36:27 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Multiple questions
Message-ID: <38073D50F3234B96BA35A355721E7DD4@JEPHome>

As I start putting freshly repainted Tigger back together, I have lots of
questions tonight:

1) When installing the body-to-windshield seal, do you use some kind of
sealant, or just bolt the frame in place and let the rubber act as the seal?

2) I'm putting new glass in the windshield.  Do I install the frame, then add
the glass, or install the glass on the workbench and mount the assembled unit
to the car?

2a) Either way, do I use a sealant around the glass?

3) The wiper drive cable binds in the tubes.  I greased it up well, and it
will probably work, but will put unnecessary strain on the wiper motor.  Is
there any way to "rotoroot" the tubes to make it work better?

Thanks.  More questions are sure to follow as reassembly progresses.

Jim Pickard
B9473298 ('65 Tiger)
AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold
2003 Mini Cooper
Lafayette, LA

From w_pierzga at msn.com  Tue Dec 30 14:24:18 2008
From: w_pierzga at msn.com (MSN)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:24:18 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Need a part
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV116D7A286A1BD5A7531AD19FE70@phx.gbl>

I am reassembling the fuel tanks on my Alpine. I have lost the nut that
connects the fuel line to the fuel cross-tube. If anyone has a spare please
contact me.

 

Thanks,

 

Wayne

From AAAGLASSS at aol.com  Tue Dec 30 16:05:26 2008
From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:05:26 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Multiple questions
Message-ID: <cdd.44319920.368c0336@aol.com>

If you are going to wash it with a hose and drive in rain seal everything.  
Hand wash no rain just seal between the glass and w/strip. Easier to put  
w/shield in with frame on body. Use rope in method(w/strip on glass, rope in  
channel that fits on pinchweld, cross at bottom, lube(silicone, soapy  water) hold 
in place , pull rope at 45 degree angle to center of w/shield  to install. Put 
on moldings and then seal between glass and w/strip with RTV  silicone. Do 
not use silicone on parts that may be frequently removed or between  w/strip and 
frame and lower seal and body. If you are going to seal there use a  auto 
body sealer like 3M 8634 or Titan R 300 they  stay soft and will  let you remove 
the parts if you have to. I have never had a w/shield frame off  of one of 
these. From what I have read there is a set of wedges to set the angle  of the 
frame to the vent frame. Maybe someone else can elaborate on this. HTH Oh  yeah 
use aluminum rivets on this, steel ones are too hard to remove. HTHA
   
B382002560

 
In a message dated 12/29/2008 8:37:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
geowiz.sgy at cox.net writes:

As I  start putting freshly repainted Tigger back together, I have lots  of
questions tonight:

1) When installing the body-to-windshield  seal, do you use some kind of
sealant, or just bolt the frame in place and  let the rubber act as the seal?

2) I'm putting new glass in the  windshield.  Do I install the frame, then add
the glass, or install  the glass on the workbench and mount the assembled unit
to the  car?

2a) Either way, do I use a sealant around the glass?

3) The  wiper drive cable binds in the tubes.  I greased it up well, and  it
will probably work, but will put unnecessary strain on the wiper  motor.  Is
there any way to "rotoroot" the tubes to make it work  better?

Thanks.  More questions are sure to follow as reassembly  progresses.

Jim Pickard
B9473298 ('65 Tiger)
AN5L/12109 ('59  Sprite) - sold
2003 Mini Cooper
Lafayette,  LA
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 30 16:35:31 2008
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:35:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] windshield advice
In-Reply-To: <cdd.44319920.368c0336@aol.com>
Message-ID: <755620.78772.qm@web30302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Nice information to have from a PRO. Thanks for posting this response to the list for future situations.

New Year- Its like birthdays- the older I get the faster they get. Im elated just to have a birthday to be honest. That said, may EVERYONE have the GREAREST of New Years, drive the Beam of their choice more miles than any previous year and may insurance and gas prices continue to fall. HNY members.
TonytheTiger

From modtiger at comcast.net  Tue Dec 30 16:42:25 2008
From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:42:25 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Multiple questions
In-Reply-To: <cdd.44319920.368c0336@aol.com>
References: <cdd.44319920.368c0336@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20081230153906.025b28f0@comcast.net>

At 03:05 PM 12/30/2008, you wrote:
...
>  From what I have read there is a set of wedges to set the angle  of the
>frame to the vent frame. Maybe someone else can elaborate on this.

Use the WS58 adjustable nuts from Rick to set and hold the windshield angle.

Tom Hall
ModTiger Engineering LLC
www.tigerengineering.net

From strombecker at telus.net  Tue Dec 30 16:43:04 2008
From: strombecker at telus.net (TM)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:43:04 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Fuel Pump Trap DOor
Message-ID: <204840967C5642E981A7A2F1FC02E054@your55e5f9e3d2>

Hello

I am putting my Tiger back together, and was wondering if anybody can tell me
were to find the wire spring that the fuel pump door dzuz clicks into.  It is
rivited to the floor pan.  I see Dzuz has different sizes of springs listed,
does anybody know the size?

Thanks Terry
strombecker at telus.net

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Tue Dec 30 19:52:16 2008
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:52:16 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Sunvisors
Message-ID: <495ADE60.60007@roadrunner.com>

Rande:

I don't think the Carroll book is correct.  My MkIA is S.N. B382002384 and it did not have sunvisors when I got it brand new in 1966.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE




"According to the Bill Carroll book, sunvisors stopped being included in Tiger
production starting with B382002524.

According to the January 1968 parts catalog, sunvisors were fitted to Alpine
V cars and Tiger starting with the following serial numbers: B395013294 for
Alpine GT, B395011028 for the 'Std' model, and B382002524 for Tigers.

My Tiger 1A (#48) came with them, but I can only vouch for them back to 1972."

From tsmit at shaw.ca  Tue Dec 30 21:01:57 2008
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:01:57 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Instrument stabilizer replacement
Message-ID: <495AEEB5.1080706@shaw.ca>

I finally got my stuff together and had boards made...

http://members.shaw.ca/tsmit/stabilizer/stabilizer.html

The main feature with this one, over the various other solid-state 
stabilizer replacements that have been discussed, is that it has a 
warning lamp output (or you use the included LED) to show when the 
charging system isn't. This is aimed specifically at the one-wire 
alternator users but it might be a useful backup for anyone using the 
OEM generator and regulator as well.

I'm currently building up the first batch and they should all be ready 
to go in a week or so.

Happy new year to all,
Theo

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Dec 31 08:39:41 2008
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:39:41 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Need a part
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DAV116D7A286A1BD5A7531AD19FE70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <2E5D148EFD6543F99BDA32CF5565B894@ronpc1>

Wayne
	This is definitely not a part you want to lose, it is a unique
Sunbeam or British Car part so just in case you just misplaced it here is a
description.

This is a British spec 5/16 compression tube nut.

My notes state the fitting to the cross tube is a brass compression fitting;
11/16 hex, 1/2 x 20 threads, this is probably UNC thread but I'm guessing
here and it is .665" long.

The fitting to the electric fuel pump is similar but shorter, .505" long

My notes are old so if you have a fitting made be sure to double check all
dimensions.

I suspect that you could use either fitting at the cross tube but the longer
one will have more thread contact.

You can probably find the short nut on any period British car with an
electric fuel pump.

Good hunting.

Happy New year to all.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of MSN
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 4:24 PM
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Tigers] Need a part


I am reassembling the fuel tanks on my Alpine. I have lost the nut that
connects the fuel line to the fuel cross-tube. If anyone has a spare please
contact me.



Thanks,



Wayne
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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 10:38:32 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:38:32 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Need a part
In-Reply-To: <2E5D148EFD6543F99BDA32CF5565B894@ronpc1>
References: <BAY101-DAV116D7A286A1BD5A7531AD19FE70@phx.gbl>
	<2E5D148EFD6543F99BDA32CF5565B894@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <39a841b0812310938p1903cb54u4f7bff775ee8a91c@mail.gmail.com>

I got one from a gas supplies place - I think Bez.co.uk or bes.co.uk.
Took a bit of searching the site but they also have one for 3/8"
tubing which is worth using if you are putting out over 250hp.  They
are brass and screw right up to the original threads with some teflon
thread seal on them.

On 12/31/08, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> Wayne
> 	This is definitely not a part you want to lose, it is a unique
> Sunbeam or British Car part so just in case you just misplaced it here is a
> description.
>
> This is a British spec 5/16 compression tube nut.
>
> My notes state the fitting to the cross tube is a brass compression fitting;
> 11/16 hex, 1/2 x 20 threads, this is probably UNC thread but I'm guessing
> here and it is .665" long.
>
> The fitting to the electric fuel pump is similar but shorter, .505" long
>
> My notes are old so if you have a fitting made be sure to double check all
> dimensions.
>
> I suspect that you could use either fitting at the cross tube but the longer
> one will have more thread contact.
>
> You can probably find the short nut on any period British car with an
> electric fuel pump.
>
> Good hunting.
>
> Happy New year to all.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of MSN
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 4:24 PM
> To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> Subject: [Tigers] Need a part
>
>
> I am reassembling the fuel tanks on my Alpine. I have lost the nut that
> connects the fuel line to the fuel cross-tube. If anyone has a spare please
> contact me.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Wayne
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Wed Dec 31 11:30:54 2008
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:30:54 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Need a part
Message-ID: <ce1.40bcd1d4.368d145e@aol.com>

I think I got mine at NAPA.
M
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Dec 31 12:46:42 2008
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:46:42 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Need a part
In-Reply-To: <ce1.40bcd1d4.368d145e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <15DCEEF389DB44C6B5A4EC41F1E6AFF5@ronpc1>

Maybe but US standard for a 5/16" tube nut is 1/2x24 thread.
That's not to say NAPA did not have the part, sometimes they do have them,
you just need to be sure of what you buy.
 
Ron Fraser

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From: CoolVT at aol.com [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 1:31 PM
To: owain.lloyd at gmail.com; rfraser at bluefrog.com; w_pierzga at msn.com;
tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Need a part



I think I got mine at NAPA.
M




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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Dec 31 14:15:04 2008
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com ( Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:15:04 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Multiple questions
In-Reply-To: <38073D50F3234B96BA35A355721E7DD4@JEPHome>
Message-ID: <6AA2FA0E64F64D61AEC7C676C2730F52@ronpc1>

Jim
These are questions you should ask someone who is in the restoration
business for current recommendations.

The biggest problem with new weatherstrip is the release agent that covers
every square mm and every crevice of the rubber.
You need to get the release agent off.  I have tried many ways to get it off
and was never totally satisfied with any method.  I recently saw a program
that recommended TSP heavy duty cleaning solution but I have never tried it.

	The body to windshield molding I took off my Tiger had a gray caulk
on both sides.   It most closely resembled Mortell Mortite weatherstip and
caulking cord which comes in a coil that looks like rope.  It is a household
window seal product.  I also have some 3M 08578 Black Strip Calk that I used
for the stainless trim parts.

I would always recommend some sort of sealer here; body to molding, molding
to windshield frame to keep water getting to the mount holes which could
make your feet wet and to keep water away from the metal frame.

I'm not sure if I installed the glass on or off the car.  I think I would
try off the car first.

If you put any sealant around the glass it has to be very, very thin
otherwise the rubber will not fit right.  A little rubber cement might be
the way to go here.

As for the wiper motor; I would try to find out where it is binding and try
to relieve the problem.  I believe the whole assembly can be taken apart but
I have never gone there.  You might want to see what the amperage draw is
when it is in the bind position.  I'm not electrical so this is totally a
guess; you want to see 5 or less amps here.   Anyone have a better handle on
the amp requirements for this motor?

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of James E. Pickard
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 11:36 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Multiple questions


As I start putting freshly repainted Tigger back together, I have lots of
questions tonight:

1) When installing the body-to-windshield seal, do you use some kind of
sealant, or just bolt the frame in place and let the rubber act as the seal?

2) I'm putting new glass in the windshield.  Do I install the frame, then
add the glass, or install the glass on the workbench and mount the assembled
unit to the car?

2a) Either way, do I use a sealant around the glass?

3) The wiper drive cable binds in the tubes.  I greased it up well, and it
will probably work, but will put unnecessary strain on the wiper motor.  Is
there any way to "rotoroot" the tubes to make it work better?

Thanks.  More questions are sure to follow as reassembly progresses.

Jim Pickard
B9473298 ('65 Tiger)
AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold
2003 Mini Cooper
Lafayette, LA
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From achd73 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 31 16:21:53 2008
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:21:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Barrett Jackson auction
In-Reply-To: <6AA2FA0E64F64D61AEC7C676C2730F52@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <670100.1445.qm@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The Speed Channel has a BJ auction going on. I think I heard them say that today is the second of a three day auction.
I was wondering if the two Tigers that where shown on list recently and reported to be sold via auction is going to be in this particular auction. If anyone has the "skinny" on if they are of ir it is to be a later auctin, please post to the list. This show might be a rerun too?????
Happy New Year everyone.

TonytheTiger

PS- The cars seem to be going at a lower than normal price, according to my bow tie buddy who called to let me know the auction was on. He mentioned that My. Shelby is to be there tomorrow to sell the Mustang he has donated to his charity. Might be worth the time for you Vegas guys to drive down and meet the man. Then again, it might be cheaper to buy a car than to pay to watch the auction.

From geowiz.sgy at cox.net  Wed Dec 31 16:34:30 2008
From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:34:30 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Multiple questions
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20081230153906.025b28f0@comcast.net>
References: <cdd.44319920.368c0336@aol.com>
	<7.0.0.16.2.20081230153906.025b28f0@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <68D7090555844736881AABF42708763C@JEPHome>

Can someone tell me about this WS58 part Rick offers?  I talked to Rick some 
time ago about replacing the wedges under the windshield, as mine are in 
pieces.  He said they were not available and never mentioned this part.  I 
tried to call him today, but he is apparently closed for New Years.

Jim

P.S. Happy New Year to everyone who helps keep Tigger purring.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Hall" <modtiger at comcast.net>
To: <AAAGLASSS at aol.com>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Multiple questions


> At 03:05 PM 12/30/2008, you wrote:
> ...
>>  From what I have read there is a set of wedges to set the angle  of the
>>frame to the vent frame. Maybe someone else can elaborate on this.
>
> Use the WS58 adjustable nuts from Rick to set and hold the windshield 
> angle.
>
> Tom Hall
> ModTiger Engineering LLC
> www.tigerengineering.net
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From v8tracker at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 16:43:28 2008
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:43:28 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Barrett Jackson auction
In-Reply-To: <670100.1445.qm@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <6AA2FA0E64F64D61AEC7C676C2730F52@ronpc1>
	<670100.1445.qm@web30308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F471340D5CBA46D9AD1009BD48C05EE6@DellD4700>

Tony,

I think this is a rerun of the August Las Vegas auction. As far as I know,
this is the first time they have rerun the Las Vegas auction, probably
because the prices dropped so far from the Scottsdale auction. Maybe they
are preparing us for still lower prices at the January, 2009 Scottsdale
auction.

A.C. Tynes
New Orleans

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Somebody
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 5:22 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Barrett Jackson auction
> 
> The Speed Channel has a BJ auction going on. I think I heard 
> them say that today is the second of a three day auction.
> I was wondering if the two Tigers that where shown on list 
> recently and reported to be sold via auction is going to be 
> in this particular auction. If anyone has the "skinny" on if 
> they are of ir it is to be a later auctin, please post to the 
> list. This show might be a rerun too?????
> Happy New Year everyone.
> 
> TonytheTiger
> 
> PS- The cars seem to be going at a lower than normal price, 
> according to my bow tie buddy who called to let me know the 
> auction was on. He mentioned that My. Shelby is to be there 
> tomorrow to sell the Mustang he has donated to his charity. 
> Might be worth the time for you Vegas guys to drive down and 
> meet the man. Then again, it might be cheaper to buy a car 
> than to pay to watch the auction.
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Wed Dec 31 17:13:50 2008
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:13:50 EST
Subject: [Tigers] Barrett Jackson auction
Message-ID: <be2.3f8d349f.368d64be@aol.com>

I've been watching the Vegas reruns and the prices do seem to be a  little 
more reasonable.  
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From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec 31 17:19:16 2008
From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:19:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Tigers] Multiple questions
In-Reply-To: <6AA2FA0E64F64D61AEC7C676C2730F52@ronpc1>
Message-ID: <793507.8276.qm@web82702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The only thing that has worked for me to get that "wax" like release agent off
is VERY HOT water... near boiling.  Be careful... but it works.

Bill
Grand Rapids, MI

--- On Wed, 12/31/08, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Multiple questions
To: "'James E. Pickard'" <geowiz.sgy at cox.net>, tigers at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 4:15 PM

Jim
These are questions you should ask someone who is in the restoration
business for current recommendations.

The biggest problem with new weatherstrip is the release agent that covers
every square mm and every crevice of the rubber.
You need to get the release agent off.  I have tried many ways to get it off
and was never totally satisfied with any method.  I recently saw a program
that recommended TSP heavy duty cleaning solution but I have never tried it.

	The body to windshield molding I took off my Tiger had a gray caulk
on both sides.   It most closely resembled Mortell Mortite weatherstip and
caulking cord which comes in a coil that looks like rope.  It is a household
window seal product.  I also have some 3M 08578 Black Strip Calk that I used
for the stainless trim parts.

I would always recommend some sort of sealer here; body to molding, molding
to windshield frame to keep water getting to the mount holes which could
make your feet wet and to keep water away from the metal frame.

I'm not sure if I installed the glass on or off the car.  I think I would
try off the car first.

If you put any sealant around the glass it has to be very, very thin
otherwise the rubber will not fit right.  A little rubber cement might be
the way to go here.

As for the wiper motor; I would try to find out where it is binding and try
to relieve the problem.  I believe the whole assembly can be taken apart but
I have never gone there.  You might want to see what the amperage draw is
when it is in the bind position.  I'm not electrical so this is totally a
guess; you want to see 5 or less amps here.   Anyone have a better handle on
the amp requirements for this motor?

Ron Fraser


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of James E. Pickard
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 11:36 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Multiple questions


As I start putting freshly repainted Tigger back together, I have lots of
questions tonight:

1) When installing the body-to-windshield seal, do you use some kind of
sealant, or just bolt the frame in place and let the rubber act as the seal?

2) I'm putting new glass in the windshield.  Do I install the frame, then
add the glass, or install the glass on the workbench and mount the assembled
unit to the car?

2a) Either way, do I use a sealant around the glass?

3) The wiper drive cable binds in the tubes.  I greased it up well, and it
will probably work, but will put unnecessary strain on the wiper motor.  Is
there any way to "rotoroot" the tubes to make it work better?

Thanks.  More questions are sure to follow as reassembly progresses.

Jim Pickard
B9473298 ('65 Tiger)
AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) - sold
2003 Mini Cooper
Lafayette, LA
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From v8tracker at gmail.com  Wed Dec 31 17:25:41 2008
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:25:41 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] BJ Scottsdale auction
Message-ID: <FF3ED90740B44D8EB1C20E7F1442D52D@DellD4700>

The BJ Scottsdale auction might be worth watching just to see the changes
from last year. Of course, there are no Sunbeams, but there is a 1966
Wolseley Hornet Mark 2 convertible.

I also see there are four Pontiac Azteks, three Geo Trackers and a grand
total of two Ferraris. 

Should be interesting.

A.C. Tynes
New Orleans

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Wed Dec 31 17:31:08 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:31:08 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Multiple questions
In-Reply-To: <68D7090555844736881AABF42708763C@JEPHome>
References: <cdd.44319920.368c0336@aol.com>
	<7.0.0.16.2.20081230153906.025b28f0@comcast.net>
	<68D7090555844736881AABF42708763C@JEPHome>
Message-ID: <495C0ECC.7070703@SoCal.rr.com>

Jim,

As Tom Hall posted, it is for *adjusting* the windshield angle, and 
hold-down.

It is listed on his web site:  http://www.rootes.com/index.html under "W"


WINDSHIELD POST UP OR DOWN ADJ. NUTS, S.III-V, TIGER, PAIR      WS58  
    21.75

The original, as I recall, was not adjustable.

It is listed in the Workshop Manual:

And, the sealant is:

/Apply a ribbon of 'Seelastik" to the outer faces of the
weatherstrip which are in contact with the windscreen.
For this operation a special gun is available from Expandite Ltd., who 
also supply full instructions for using the gun.

/This is on the Windshield section of the Manual (for Ron Fraser):

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmO3.asp

SPECIAL NOTE:  This section also discusses the sun visors.

Unfortunately, the Tiger Parts List is is an Addendum to the Alpine 
List, and only itemizes the things that are NOT on the Alpine.

Steve

___
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Editor - TigersUnited.com
<http://www.TigersUnited.com>



James E. Pickard wrote:
> Can someone tell me about this WS58 part Rick offers?  I talked to 
> Rick some time ago about replacing the wedges under the windshield, as 
> mine are in pieces.  He said they were not available and never 
> mentioned this part.  I tried to call him today, but he is apparently 
> closed for New Years.
>
> Jim
>
> P.S. Happy New Year to everyone who helps keep Tigger purring.

From sralsten at ca.rr.com  Wed Dec 31 21:02:11 2008
From: sralsten at ca.rr.com (Steve Ralsten)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:02:11 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Bought some tires today
Message-ID: <004901c96bc5$b9e98cb0$6401a8c0@DELL4600>

I must give credit to the wife for this idea but my Tiger now has
perhaps the most appropriate possible new tires mounted on her Panasports

185/70/R13 Uniroyal Tiger Paws

I am looking to purchase a set of factory steel wheels with hubcaps and
crosshatch style trim rings. I have found a set for sale in Nevada but they
are not available right now. I hadn't asked the list, but does anyone have a 
set
they are interested in selling ?

Steve R
B9473720

From dick.barker at att.net  Wed Dec 31 21:13:00 2008
From: dick.barker at att.net (Dick Barker)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:13:00 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Sun Visors
Message-ID: <20090101041313.1450018765E@autox.team.net>

I agree that the information in Bill Carroll's book is incorrect.

Sun visor kits were available on Tigers only as an accessory, just 
like fire bottles, engine block heaters,fog lamps, clocks, or 
whatever. They were never fitted as production equipment, except, 
perhaps on the 15 GT cars. As delivered, the pre-drilled holes for 
mounting the 2 outboard visor fittings were plugged with 
chrome-plated Phillips-head screws. The screws that secure the 
rear-view mirror were used to mount the center visor bracket.

The vinyl visors were available in any color you wanted, so long as 
it was white. There were 2 styles: one with notches on the inboard 
edges to clear the large rear-view mirror on later cars, and one 
without notches for early cars with the small mirror. Notched visors 
can be used on early cars, but not vice-versa.

Steel rods ran through the visors along their front edge. There was a 
flat spot on the end of the rod where it protruded at the outboard 
end of the visor, and this flat spot fitted into a similar-shaped 
hole in the outboard mounting bracket. On the inner end of the visor, 
springs in the center bracket maintained pressure on the rod in the 
outboard direction, keeping the flat seated firmly in the outer 
bracket. With the rod thus held stationary, the visor could 
theoretically be adjusted to any position, and was held there simply 
by friction between the visor and the rod.

Jim Leach gives a pretty accurate description of how the system 
actually worked, and conveys the frustration most owners experienced 
with it. The main problem was that  eventually the rod would rust. 
This caused the visor to "freeze" on the rod, causing the rod to 
twist in the outer bracket whenever you tried to adjust the visor. It 
took only a few of these muscular adjustments for the rod to round 
out the hole in the outer bracket, which was made of fairly soft "pot 
metal." Once this occurred, the visor had only one position: full 
down, which generally necessitated its immediate removal!

Even if the above problem could be avoided, sooner or later the foam 
padding inside the visor turned to crumbled sand, and the visors 
became a unsightly, lumpy mess. Solution? Same as above!

Although the repro visors sold by Sunbeam Specialties look a little 
different than the originals, they are very attractive and are made 
of superior materials (e.g., stainless steel brackets). However, 
because they have slightly different dimensions, they are not 
interchangeable with the originals. So if you by the SS visors, make 
sure you also buy the brackets that go with them.

Dick