[Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen fuel

[Owain Lloyd]

indeed, but that may be considered worth while if that energy is
produced in a central location and using an environmentally efficient
means.   this loss can also be recouped if the new engine is more
efficient than a traditional petrol engine.

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:58 PM, William Lau <mrlau at charter.net> wrote:
> What isn't mentioned is that it takes more energy to get the hydrogen than
>  you get. -- Bill --
>
>  Not that far off the mark. The use of water for hydrolysis requires
>  reasonably high purity, and preferably a bit of H2SO4 to help the
>  conductivity along. If you just used tap water, you'd be descaling your
>  hydrolysis equipment pretty often. So you have to buy your fuel-water
>  over the counter.
>
>  The reason that ethanol-from-corn was touted in the US as the answer to
>  cheap fuel, was that corn was relatively cheap. Now that a significant
>  fraction of corn production is going into ethanol plants instead of
>  being exported as food, the price of corn has gone up to the point where
>  people can't afford to buy it to eat.
>
>  Theo
>
>  i wouldn't normally bring it up, but what a stupid comment by the
>  presenter with the shaky grasp of economics right at the end:  'lets
>  hope water prices don't go up'.
>
>  hmm....
>
>  On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
>  wrote:
>  > Here's a link:
>  >  <http://travisab1.multiply.com/video/item/75>
>  >
>  >  Water, as used in this context, is not the "fuel". He's using
>  >  electricity to dissociate the water into hydrogen and oxygen gas (or
>  >  maybe a partial hydrolysis to hydrogen and hydroxide ions) and then
>  >  recombining the gases in his torch (or in his car), which turns the
>  >  electrical energy into heat (and, judging by the tone of the article,
>  >  smoke and mirrors).
>  >
>  >  The energy is provided by the electrical plant that provided the
>  power
>  >  to run his electrolysis machine. That's going to be coal-fired,
>  >  hydroelectric, nuclear, or in the case of his car, a gasoline powered
>  >  internal combustion engine.
>  >
>  >  Theo
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