[Tigers] (no subject)

[Owain Lloyd]

yes but corn has risen along with other commodities for different
reasons.  at least thats where the bulk of the increase in corn is.
further, whatever the high cost of the water ready for use in this
sort of equipment, there is no reason to believe the cost would
increase over time (as she is suggesting) as its unlikely to suffer
from political tensions and diminishing reserves.  if anything the
cost will fall as more efficient means of its production are devised.

anyway, we digress....  for the purposes of this list, i for one will
continue to pour dirty great quantities of preminum gasoline into my
hungry iron 302. :)

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:
> Not that far off the mark. The use of water for hydrolysis requires
>  reasonably high purity, and preferably a bit of H2SO4 to help the
>  conductivity along. If you just used tap water, you'd be descaling your
>  hydrolysis equipment pretty often. So you have to buy your fuel-water
>  over the counter.
>
>  The reason that ethanol-from-corn was touted in the US as the answer to
>  cheap fuel, was that corn was relatively cheap. Now that a significant
>  fraction of corn production is going into ethanol plants instead of
>  being exported as food, the price of corn has gone up to the point where
>  people can't afford to buy it to eat.
>
>  Theo
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Owain Lloyd [mailto:owain.lloyd at gmail.com]
>  Sent: April 17, 2008 9:40 AM
>  To: Smit, Theo
>  Cc: CoolVT at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net
>  Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject)
>
>  i wouldn't normally bring it up, but what a stupid comment by the
>  presenter with the shaky grasp of economics right at the end:  'lets
>  hope water prices don't go up'.
>
>  hmm....
>
>  On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
>  wrote:
>  > Here's a link:
>  >  <http://travisab1.multiply.com/video/item/75>
>  >
>  >  Water, as used in this context, is not the "fuel". He's using
>  >  electricity to dissociate the water into hydrogen and oxygen gas (or
>  >  maybe a partial hydrolysis to hydrogen and hydroxide ions) and then
>  >  recombining the gases in his torch (or in his car), which turns the
>  >  electrical energy into heat (and, judging by the tone of the article,
>  >  smoke and mirrors).
>  >
>  >  The energy is provided by the electrical plant that provided the
>  power
>  >  to run his electrolysis machine. That's going to be coal-fired,
>  >  hydroelectric, nuclear, or in the case of his car, a gasoline powered
>  >  internal combustion engine.
>  >
>  >  Theo
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