From spmdr at juno.com  Tue Apr  1 07:59:12 2008
From: spmdr at juno.com (spmdr at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 06:59:12 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Trailering to TU Big Bear
Message-ID: <20080401.070054.-105819.2.spmdr@juno.com>

I have found HWY 38 to be the best trailer friendly route to Big Bear.

It still has you climb a mountain, no getting away from it.

DW

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Tue Apr  1 08:16:03 2008
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:16:03 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Trunk Spring Covers
Message-ID: <47F251B3.3010904@roadrunner.com>

Tim:

The Serial Numbers starting with B3820..... are MkIA cars, not MkII's.  
The Serial Numbers for MkII's
start with B3821....  I don't think any MkII's came with the spring covers.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE (MkIA)


Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:46:53 GMT
From: "un-cole-a at juno.com" <un-cole-a at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Trunk Spring Covers
To: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Message-ID: <20080331.134653.7315.1 at webmail21.vgs.untd.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>From the 9 replies with ID# here is the break down:
B9470574      yes have covers
B9470768      yes
B9471362      yes
B9472283      yes
B382000048   yes
B382000331   no covers
B382001570   no
B382002083   no
B382002384   no

I think it's safe to say all MKI Tigers had the covers.
I would also guess that the early MKII Tigers came with covers. When the
change happened to delete the covers I'm not sure but it would look like the
first few hundred MKII Tiger may have had covers.
Very interesting.

Tim
B9470149

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Tue Apr  1 08:21:43 2008
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:21:43 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Trunk Spring Covers
Message-ID: <47F25307.80206@roadrunner.com>

Tim:

Sorry for the previous email.  I had not read your later message when I 
sent it.  Have you heard from Norm
about this?

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From PhastPhill at aol.com  Tue Apr  1 08:52:15 2008
From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:52:15 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Trunk Spring Covers
Message-ID: <d19.2303c76c.3523b42f@aol.com>

My MK II is fairly org # 382100217, does not have them. Doesn't mean that  it 
did or did not, but not on now.

From cbhlouky at bellsouth.net  Tue Apr  1 17:53:16 2008
From: cbhlouky at bellsouth.net (Craig)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:53:16 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] British car show in Louisville, Ky
Message-ID: <00ee01c8945b$f09572c0$0201a8c0@home9cmfx9peca>

The featured marque of the 24th annual British Bash car show in Louisville, 
Ky is Austin Healey. There are 33 classes. Preregister by May 3rd and save. 
Check out the website photos and the online regisitration!
www.britishbash.com
See you in Louisville on June 6th & 7th.
 Thanks,
 British Sports Car Club of Louisville, Ky
 '08 Bash coordinator Craig Holmes cbhlouky at bellsouth.net

From banana111 at msn.com  Tue Apr  1 20:20:43 2008
From: banana111 at msn.com (Brent Edinger)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:20:43 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Booster ratio
Message-ID: <BLU114-DAV11A1C4B23C4AD27E491E0F7F40@phx.gbl>

Does anyone know how much the brake booster 'boost" the pressure in the brake
lines?
I'm trying to do the math on master cylinders as the subject is all over the
map on bore sizes.
Here's a good website for figuring out brake stuff
http://www.hotrodheaven.com/tech/brakes/brakes1_index.htm<http://www.hotrodhe
aven.com/tech/brakes/brakes1_index.htm>

                               Brent

From Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com  Wed Apr  2 11:21:46 2008
From: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com (Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:21:46 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Booster ratio
In-Reply-To: <mailman.31.1207162802.17725.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <OF1F7A20BA.E106ABB1-ON8825741F.0064C432-8825741F.0064DF01@countrywide.com>

When I researched it, I learned that the one that VB sold was 1.9:1, the 
one SS sold was 2.3:1.  The one that Lockheed recommended in response to a 
letter I sent them was 3.0:1.  Their letter was signed by an engineer and 
a reviewing engineer!

I don't know what the actual ones were on the cars when new.  That's why I 
wrote Lockheed.

On the back of the installation instructions on the boosters, there is a 
list of cars with the different boosters.  It was pretty clear from the 
different cars that the 1.9:1 cars tended to be smaller than our cars, and 
the 3.0:1 tended to be bigger (Austin Healey and Jaguars).  But, I don't 
take that to mean 2.3:1 is "just right."

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From tigerfixer at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  2 14:00:30 2008
From: tigerfixer at yahoo.com (Bill Martin)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 14:00:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Booster ratio
In-Reply-To: <BLU114-DAV11A1C4B23C4AD27E491E0F7F40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <417673.6617.qm@web52304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

--- Brent

 The 5 inch booster averages 1.5 times the pressure 
 input and the 7 inch averages 2 times. On my booster
 tester with 500 psi on the input side and 10 in of 
 vaccuum the output on a 5 inch booster is about 750
 psi. The 7 inch booster with the same input and
vacuum
 is about 1000 psi.
 Hope this helps.
 Bill Martin


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From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Wed Apr  2 18:04:27 2008
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 20:04:27 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] altenator system
Message-ID: <000a01c89526$aab6c620$6700a8c0@chesapeake4>

I am converting from from a generator to altenator,  for some originality I
did not use a newer single wire built in regulator unit...question:  is the 15
ohm resistor part of the warning light or a separate piece??  Have not seen it
in any parts lists,  it's in series from the ignition circuit to the
regulator,   also has a relay in the circuit,  that's no problem, thanks,
Clyde

From mgman71 at comcast.net  Wed Apr  2 19:44:49 2008
From: mgman71 at comcast.net (george)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 22:44:49 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Front Bumber brakets?
Message-ID: <007401c89534$b0b159b0$0201a8c0@homeqp0ya3bbsv>

Would any one have a Good extra set of front bumper brackets for a tiger  that
they would like to sell? if so please let me know as I need them.

Thanks Again
George

From mmichels at socal.rr.com  Wed Apr  2 21:33:02 2008
From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 21:33:02 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] electric fan recommendation
Message-ID: <005601c89543$cdf4d060$6401a8c0@delldimension>

Hello listers:

Not experiencing any overheating problems but upgrading things as summer
approaches.

Does anybody have recommendations for make, model and size of aftermarket
electric pusher fans that will fit the stock size radiator? I'm looking at the
well- known available brands like Flexalite, Derale and Hayden.

ALso, any opinion on the merits of three row vs four row copper cores? My
radiator guy warned that if airflow at higher speeds is a concern, the very
dense four row core might actually prevent adequate airflow. I already have
the horn blocker plates and cross member airdam so not much more can be done
to maximize flow at high speeds.

From PhastPhill at aol.com  Thu Apr  3 05:14:14 2008
From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 08:14:14 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] electric fan recommendation
Message-ID: <bf9.347fb662.35262416@aol.com>

I have the horn blocker plates and no air dam and the oil cooler removed (  
MKII ). I had a rad built using my old one and a new 3 row core. I use an  
Edelbrock hi volume water pump and a Derale fan. With a F4B 1850 Holley, a  strong 
cam and CAT club headers. No overheating problems, not even in town  driving. 
It will get warmer in real slow driving, but just a few min on the open  road 
and it's right back in the middle of the gauge, it's never puked out since  I 
did this rad and pump.

From alittlemoreink at hotmail.com  Thu Apr  3 08:17:16 2008
From: alittlemoreink at hotmail.com (John Crawley)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 15:17:16 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 127
In-Reply-To: <mailman.19.1207076402.31003.tigers@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.19.1207076402.31003.tigers@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W55887C0F3995FA8890FFAEDBF70@phx.gbl>

Hi:
B382000221 (PRRROWL) came with one cover in one of its many boxs of parts . .
. I did not put it on the car.
Jc
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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Thu Apr  3 11:10:39 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:10:39 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] electric fan recommendation
In-Reply-To: <005601c89543$cdf4d060$6401a8c0@delldimension>
References: <005601c89543$cdf4d060$6401a8c0@delldimension>
Message-ID: <47F51D9F.50805@SoCal.rr.com>

Mike.

My experiences with the cooling system, all of which were successful in 
105 degree (and up) uphill cooling,
have been documented in my article "/Cool It Buddy/" on TigersUnited.com:

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp

Accessible from any page in the bottom menu under "Tech Tips"


Steve

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Mike Michels wrote:
> Hello listers:
>
> Not experiencing any overheating problems but upgrading things as summer
> approaches.
>
> Does anybody have recommendations for make, model and size of aftermarket
> electric pusher fans that will fit the stock size radiator? I'm looking at the
> well- known available brands like Flexalite, Derale and Hayden.
>
> ALso, any opinion on the merits of three row vs four row copper cores? My
> radiator guy warned that if airflow at higher speeds is a concern, the very
> dense four row core might actually prevent adequate airflow. I already have
> the horn blocker plates and cross member airdam so not much more can be done
> to maximize flow at high speeds.

From KJENSSEN at aol.com  Fri Apr  4 12:30:59 2008
From: KJENSSEN at aol.com (KJENSSEN at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:30:59 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Seat covers
Message-ID: <c0c.3113e7d8.3527dbf3@aol.com>

Hey beamers,
 
I am contemplating replacing the seats in my tiger.  I understand Martha 
Wheat at Pro-Prep Interiors may have  reproduction vinyl covers.   Before I go for 
the vinyl....does anyone  have any leather covers.
 
Originally my tiger had the early MK1 seats with  the wide pleats ....now I 
have a set of the later  MKIA or MKII seats with the narrow pleats.  
 
The original seats in my tiger were really in poor shape and  with the help 
of Doug at Tiger Auto I was able to obtain a set in better  shape. 
 
Unfortunately...  a seam has opened up on the drivers seat and  now I need to 
decide either to recover, replace or repair. 
 
I may go back to the original wide pleat seats - if they are  available.
 
Thoughts and or recommendations would be appreciated.
 
 
Thanks,
Kirt Jenssen
B9473199
Chicago, Illinois
 
 
 
 



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From CoolVT at aol.com  Fri Apr  4 12:51:18 2008
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:51:18 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Instrument illumination
Message-ID: <cc4.2c6ea816.3527e0b6@aol.com>

Has  anyone come up with an easy solution for improving the 2w  that come 
with standard instrument bulbs?  I searched through the archives  and found much 
discussion on the subject, but didn't see to find a simple "plug  in' 
solution.  
The Radio Shack #1487's are great for the warning  lights.
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Fri Apr  4 13:30:04 2008
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 14:30:04 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Instrument illumination
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EEAD@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

Mark,
I've made up a couple of test bulbs using 3 or 6 high-brightness white
LEDs, and this turned out to give significantly improved light with much
less heating of the instrument. I built a one-of back-board for the tach
that had an array of 6 LEDs and it was also very good. However, neither
of these solutions is easy, and the tach one specifically is not
'plug-in'. The LEDs also cost me about a buck each even in a significant
quantity.

The cool thing, though, is that it made the instruments bright enough
that a dimmer would be a useful option.
I put a page about it (at least the first round) up on TigersUnited.com,

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/SmitInstLED/SmitInstLED.asp
Since then I built up the ring-around-the-tach board (just as a
prototype) and I have pictures of it somewhere... I just have to find
it.

Theo

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com
Sent: April 4, 2008 1:51 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Instrument illumination

Has  anyone come up with an easy solution for improving the 2w  that
come
with standard instrument bulbs?  I searched through the archives  and
found much
discussion on the subject, but didn't see to find a simple "plug  in'
solution.

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Fri Apr  4 15:16:09 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 23:16:09 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Seat covers
In-Reply-To: <c0c.3113e7d8.3527dbf3@aol.com>
References: <c0c.3113e7d8.3527dbf3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b0804041516n67eb77a3h2173e3aaced47b3b@mail.gmail.com>

hi kirt,

when i redid my seats last summer i had leather covers made up from a
new leather hide i bought.  the guy that made them up was in elgin, il
- a place called 'guven custom interiors'.  you can just drop off one
seat or the old covers with him and he'll make them up in a few days.
i sourced the leather from a place on ebay after requesting various
samples and supplied guven with the hide.  i can find the contact
details of the place if you're interested.

here are some pictures of his covers:
http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/seats/jalbum.html

i think the hide cost me about $120 and guven charged about $400 for
the covers and the center console.  i also had enough left to redo the
GT door rolls.  i rebuilt the seats with new cushions and straps from
sunbeam specialties.

the leather is much nicer than vinyl and guven did a fantastic job
stitching up the covers.

On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 8:30 PM,  <KJENSSEN at aol.com> wrote:
> Hey beamers,
>
>  I am contemplating replacing the seats in my tiger.  I understand Martha
>  Wheat at Pro-Prep Interiors may have  reproduction vinyl covers.   Before I go for
>  the vinyl....does anyone  have any leather covers.
>
>  Originally my tiger had the early MK1 seats with  the wide pleats ....now I
>  have a set of the later  MKIA or MKII seats with the narrow pleats.
>
>  The original seats in my tiger were really in poor shape and  with the help
>  of Doug at Tiger Auto I was able to obtain a set in better  shape.
>
>  Unfortunately...  a seam has opened up on the drivers seat and  now I need to
>  decide either to recover, replace or repair.
>
>  I may go back to the original wide pleat seats - if they are  available.
>
>  Thoughts and or recommendations would be appreciated.
>
>
>  Thanks,
>  Kirt Jenssen
>  B9473199
>  Chicago, Illinois
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From DJoh797014 at aol.com  Fri Apr  4 15:27:06 2008
From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 18:27:06 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Instrument illumination
Message-ID: <c69.27863998.3528053a@aol.com>

I remember British Wiring offering replacement bulb that put out more  light.
I think they were led bulbs.
 
Dave
 
 
In a message dated 4/4/2008 2:51:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
CoolVT at aol.com writes:

Has  anyone come up with an easy solution for improving the  2w  that come 
with standard instrument bulbs?  I searched  through the archives  and found 
much 
discussion on the subject, but  didn't see to find a simple "plug  in' 
solution.  
The Radio  Shack #1487's are great for the warning   lights.
Mark



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From jteepen at usatoday.com  Fri Apr  4 16:50:03 2008
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 19:50:03 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Seat covers
In-Reply-To: <c0c.3113e7d8.3527dbf3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C51FB27096A91445A83B807489D006C31DC2BF@usat-vocex21.usatoday.us.ad.gannett.com>

A list member used to (and may still) sell leather seat covers.  Tim
Ronak where are you?  These are good looking, quality covers.  I do not
know which seat style was being duplicated, but I am sure Tim Ronak can
answer for both style and availability.

Jere

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
KJENSSEN at aol.com
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 12:31 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net; alpines at AUTOX.TEAM.NET
Subject: [Tigers] Seat covers

Hey beamers,

I am contemplating replacing the seats in my tiger.  I understand Martha

Wheat at Pro-Prep Interiors may have  reproduction vinyl covers.
Before I go for
the vinyl....does anyone  have any leather covers.

Originally my tiger had the early MK1 seats with  the wide pleats
....now I have a set of the later  MKIA or MKII seats with the narrow
pleats.

The original seats in my tiger were really in poor shape and  with the
help of Doug at Tiger Auto I was able to obtain a set in better  shape.

Unfortunately...  a seam has opened up on the drivers seat and  now I
need to decide either to recover, replace or repair.

I may go back to the original wide pleat seats - if they are  available.

Thoughts and or recommendations would be appreciated.


Thanks,
Kirt Jenssen
B9473199
Chicago, Illinois

From KJENSSEN at aol.com  Fri Apr  4 17:19:52 2008
From: KJENSSEN at aol.com (KJENSSEN at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 20:19:52 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Seat covers
Message-ID: <c66.2e472d97.35281fa8@aol.com>

Hi Jere,
 
I gave Tim a call a few months ago.............unfortunately he  sold off his 
supply !
 
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From bamcnulty at optonline.net  Fri Apr  4 18:41:02 2008
From: bamcnulty at optonline.net (Tony McNulty)
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:41:02 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Instrument illumination
References: <cc4.2c6ea816.3527e0b6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005f01c896be$1b5cfa50$0200a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>

Anyone looked at LEDs?

I'm not far enough along on my resto to look into this yet, but I do intend 
to modernize the entire electrical system with a homemade Teflon insulated 
wire harness, LED lighting and a real fuse/relay setup.  No point in 
spending all of the money to go original only to make a fiery sacrifice to 
the Prince of Darkness.





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From: <CoolVT at aol.com>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 3:51 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Instrument illumination


> Has  anyone come up with an easy solution for improving the 2w  that come
> with standard instrument bulbs?  I searched through the archives  and 
> found much
> discussion on the subject, but didn't see to find a simple "plug  in'
> solution.
> The Radio Shack #1487's are great for the warning  lights.
> Mark
>
>
>
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From jarrett at mail.dk  Sat Apr  5 15:37:53 2008
From: jarrett at mail.dk (Fam. Jarrett)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 00:37:53 +0200
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Wanted
Message-ID: <001d01c8976d$c1c87b30$2202a8c0@HP>

Hello Everyone

I'm new to this list of Tigers.
A little about me.
I,m a 45 year old Australian (hence the interest in English/American cars)
married to a Dane and living just north of Copenhagen.
I'm not a dealer. I've always been working on a car project as a hobby (Honda
S 600, Fiat Spyder)and for the past few years to keep our daily drivers on the
road Eg. Citroen CX's.
The taxes in Denmark on cars are 10% of the buying price overseas incl.
freight insurance and harbour costs.
Then add 25% VAT. Then add 180% of the value of the car on the road in
Denmark.
This leaves little money for anything else. Poor us :o(
Vetaran cars are taxed a lot lower fortunately. :o)

I'm looking for a tiger in good condition without rust problems although the
car is for summer driving only.
At the moment I don't have many requirements besides limited/no rust and
mechanically sound.
It would be nice if it came with a hardtop.

I hope you can help me.

Waiting in antipitation.

Damon Jarrett

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Sat Apr  5 17:47:37 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 17:47:37 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] A Purple Tiger
Message-ID: <47F81DA9.2080806@SoCal.rr.com>

Tigers,

I never saw a purple Tiger,
I never hope to see one.
I can tell you, anyhow,
I'd rather see than be one!

http://www.seriouswheels.com/1960-1969/1966-Sunbeam-Tiger-Hardtop-Purple-FA.htm

And what is wrong with his front springs?  ;-)

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From Landcmitch at aol.com  Sat Apr  5 17:55:43 2008
From: Landcmitch at aol.com (Landcmitch at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 20:55:43 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] A Purple Tiger
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Easy...no motor.
 
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From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 21:53:41 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] A Purple Tiger
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Wow, that certainly is...umm...PURPLE!!!
 
 



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From prbreuhan at hotmail.com  Sat Apr  5 20:17:29 2008
From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 23:17:29 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] A Purple Tiger
In-Reply-To: <47F81DA9.2080806@SoCal.rr.com>
References: <47F81DA9.2080806@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-W22473883BE1F0B29A495F4AAF00@phx.gbl>

He was going for that 50s-60s Gasser look???

Plum Crazy was a Chrylser color.

I might be in the minority but it doesn't look half bad to me...but then again
I was thinking of orange for my Tiger at one time....got lots of hate mail for
that.

Paul

> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 17:47:37 -0700> From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com> To:
tigers at autox.team.net> Subject: [Tigers] A Purple Tiger> > Tigers,> > I never
saw a purple Tiger,> I never hope to see one.> I can tell you, anyhow,> I'd
rather see than be one!> >
http://www.seriouswheels.com/1960-1969/1966-Sunbeam-Tiger-Hardtop-Purple-FA.h
tm> > And what is wrong with his front springs? ;-)
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From gammaman at mokancomm.net  Sat Apr  5 20:27:28 2008
From: gammaman at mokancomm.net (Richard Bruner)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 22:27:28 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] A Purple Tiger
References: <47F81DA9.2080806@SoCal.rr.com>
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Message-ID: <007301c89796$24e846f0$6401a8c0@yourus67pi6luv>

Lose the straight axle and it can park in my garage anytime.....
Richard

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To: "Steve Laifman" <slaifman at socal.rr.com>; "Tiger's Den" 
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Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] A Purple Tiger


> He was going for that 50s-60s Gasser look???
>
> Plum Crazy was a Chrylser color.
>
> I might be in the minority but it doesn't look half bad to me...but then 
> again
> I was thinking of orange for my Tiger at one time....got lots of hate mail 
> for
> that.
>
> Paul
>
>> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 17:47:37 -0700> From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com> To:
> tigers at autox.team.net> Subject: [Tigers] A Purple Tiger> > Tigers,> > I 
> never
> saw a purple Tiger,> I never hope to see one.> I can tell you, anyhow,> 
> I'd
> rather see than be one!> >
> http://www.seriouswheels.com/1960-1969/1966-Sunbeam-Tiger-Hardtop-Purple-FA.h
> tm> > And what is wrong with his front springs? ;-)
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sat Apr  5 21:57:08 2008
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 21:57:08 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] A Purple Tiger
References: <47F81DA9.2080806@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <014d01c897a2$ab652d90$0202a8c0@student2>

What stood out to me was the Re-Bar brace on the tow hook-up. And..., a ..., 
not because it was purple, but "industrial."

Seriously, looking at the terrain, it might be causing the drivers front to 
drop the way it does. At least from the angle shown it does not appear as 
radical on the passenger side.

Tom 

From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr  6 07:19:22 2008
From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 06:19:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] A Purple Tiger
In-Reply-To: <47F81DA9.2080806@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <487002.68935.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If I had a purple Tiger,
    I drive it here and there,

  I'd drive it every day,
  I drive it everywhere.
   
  If someone hated purple,
  I'd tell 'em I don't care,
  It's a Sunbeam Tiger, buddy,
  and its really kind of rare.
   
  So, whether it is painted,
  purple or some other hue,
  It's a Sunbeam Tiger, buddy,
  and nothing else will do!
   
   
   
  Steve Laifman <SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com> wrote:
  Tigers,

I never saw a purple Tiger,
I never hope to see one.
I can tell you, anyhow,
I'd rather see than be one!

http://www.seriouswheels.com/1960-1969/1966-Sunbeam-Tiger-Hardtop-Purple-FA.htm

And what is wrong with his front springs? ;-)

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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Apr  6 08:11:36 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 07:11:36 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] A Purple Tiger
In-Reply-To: <487002.68935.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <487002.68935.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47F8DA18.3000300@mayfco.com>

Steve, why, that poem is just puuuurrrrrrfect..

mayf
Bill Waite wrote:

>If I had a purple Tiger,
>    I drive it here and there,
>
>  I'd drive it every day,
>  I drive it everywhere.
>   
>  If someone hated purple,
>  I'd tell 'em I don't care,
>  It's a Sunbeam Tiger, buddy,
>  and its really kind of rare.
>   
>  So, whether it is painted,
>  purple or some other hue,
>  It's a Sunbeam Tiger, buddy,
>  and nothing else will do!
>   
>   
>   
>  Steve Laifman <SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com> wrote:
>  Tigers,
>
>I never saw a purple Tiger,
>I never hope to see one.
>I can tell you, anyhow,
>I'd rather see than be one!
>
>http://www.seriouswheels.com/1960-1969/1966-Sunbeam-Tiger-Hardtop-Purple-FA.htm
>
>And what is wrong with his front springs? ;-)

From wseay at embarqmail.com  Sun Apr  6 08:59:21 2008
From: wseay at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:59:21 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] A Purple Tiger
References: <47F81DA9.2080806@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <001701c897f6$cc08fff0$0301a8c0@xpseay>

Geez!  And they gave ma a hard time for painting my engine compartment 
black.

- Will B382001570
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From mrlau at charter.net  Sun Apr  6 09:12:03 2008
From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:12:03 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] A Purple Tiger
In-Reply-To: <001701c897f6$cc08fff0$0301a8c0@xpseay>
Message-ID: <20080406151221.IWBA11293.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark>

At least yours is painted.  Mine is rapidly going from BRG to red primer
color.  I think I'll wax it today and try to preserve the green. Purple is
better than mottled. -- Bill --


Geez!  And they gave ma a hard time for painting my engine compartment 
black.

- Will B382001570
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From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Sun Apr  6 09:41:55 2008
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin)
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 11:41:55 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] COOLING SYSTEM UPGRADES
Message-ID: <001c01c897fc$be110b80$6700a8c0@chesapeake4>

I have had no real heating issues,  but I have the update HD radiator,  a SPAL
fan, 14" that is very thin,  2" max so it mounted easily in front of
radiator..I mounted it without drilling any holes,  rpl'd radiator mounting
bolts with studs that extend throught the radiator support allowing four
brackets to support the fan,  and the radiator is easier to install when
supported by the studs instead of trying to hold it up in position to start
the fine threads of the bolts..I wired it with a relay and fuse,  installed
thermostat housing #8592-3 from NPD,  and installed a bmw 100 degree switch
#61 31 1 364 273 in the housing,  it required changing the threads to 14mm x
1.5,  I used a "Time Sert"  insert,  it's like a heli coil only better....by
using a relay you can have the auto switch and a manual switch,  I put one
under the dash out of sight,  I also have a # FLX-1313 fan from Summit,  it's
quieter and lighter than the original,  my original touched the steering rack
under certain conditions and the motor mounts are not  weak,  I also have the
MIL-16230 waterpump from Summit,  it's made by GMB a quality Japanesse unit
and lighter,  I also have a set of March aluminum pulleys, #mch-1550,  they
run truer,  slow the speed slightly...this was not an easy or inexpensive deal
unless you have access/skills to machine and weld...I was able to do it by
cutting the crank drive pulley on a lathe removing the measured amount and
welding back together and machining the welds smooth and painting black,  look
original but more funtional,  the usual adjustments to the waterpump/fan hub
were of course required,  I also have an oil cooler with I'm sure helps.
Clyde McLaughlin

From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Sun Apr  6 10:17:40 2008
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (Clyde McLaughlin)
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:17:40 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] new member
Message-ID: <003901c89801$bd0af3e0$6700a8c0@chesapeake4>

Hi Group,  I'm Clyde McLaughlin,  I have already used the system and got quick
answers to question on resistor specs for altenator conversion...As a new
joiner here's a quick bio,  I owned a series I Alpine in the mid 60's,  later
up graded to two '65 series I tigers I bought for $800.00 each in 1970,  they
came with hardtops,  manuals etc...they were driven as daily transportation
for two years,  I then sold one to buy a '65 Shelby Gt350 for
$2200.00...Aren't those prices Great!!!  I kept the other tiger for awhile but
my focus was toward a Cobra,  that goal was never reached,  the prices
advanced much faster than my disposible income..I kept the GT350 until
starting an Import Car repair business in 1991....Last year I purchased my
present Tiger #B382001173LRXFE,  it was owned and restored and shown by a Pa
gentleman...It was AACA winner in 1994,  and was a featured car at a Shelby
Ford Connection show at the Saratoga Auto Musem in 2005...Looking forward to
being a contributor,  Clyde

From dbinkley at cox.net  Sun Apr  6 10:20:40 2008
From: dbinkley at cox.net (dbinkley at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 9:20:40 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] 1965 Tiger Mark 1 For Sale
Message-ID: <20080406122040.VSBNV.206003.imail@fed1rmwml07>

I have decided to sell my Tiger.  Detailed specs, 8 pages of pictures and contact info at:
http://gobinkley.com/sunbeamtiger.htm

Dave

From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com  Sun Apr  6 11:02:01 2008
From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 13:02:01 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] A Purple Tiger
Message-ID: <d53.2a2a6478.352a5c09@aol.com>

That car belongs, or belonged, to Bob Olah of Poughkipse (sp?) NY. He has  
shown the car on the East Coast at various shows such as Moss Motors in  NJ.
 
I believe it has a 351 in it with two 4-bbl carbs. He used to race it many  
years ago in auto cross events and I believe also in SCCA.
 
Not my taste in color, but to each his own.
 
Don't know about the large space between the top of the tire and the  fender.
 
Fred Baum
9470768
 
 



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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Sun Apr  6 13:31:08 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 20:31:08 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] please vote on my thread repair decision
Message-ID: <39a841b0804061231j15d0025fq709c9deb73393b39@mail.gmail.com>

i thought i'd throw this one at the list as i'm alway scarred of
damaged threads :)

as i may have mentioned before, one of the threads in my left side
engine mount bracket is damaged.  it turns out the thread is ok in the
rear half of the casting but damaged in the first half of the hole.
the stock 3" bolt does not get enough threads into the hole to torque
up.

my choice is:

a) use a 3-1/4" bolt which will fill all the threads and does (i've
tested) torque up perfectly well
b) drill and tap the bracket and fit a recoil insert (i can't find a
supplier of keyserts in the uk)

i'm leaning to toward a) unless, in their wisdom, any listers think
damaged threads can somehow spread or half the engine mount thickness
is insufficient for this purpose.

many thanks.

From CoolVT at aol.com  Sun Apr  6 13:43:32 2008
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 15:43:32 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] please vote on my thread repair decision
Message-ID: <cab.2722ab3e.352a81e4@aol.com>

I would think that if there is room and you can get at it that you  could use 
a longer bolt and where it pokes through put on a lockwasher and  nut.  It 
that will work it should be at least as strong as it was  originally.
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From sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net  Sun Apr  6 15:02:51 2008
From: sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net (Paul R Sheahan)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:02:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Lug Nuts
Message-ID: <109132.92367.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Tiger Owners,
     Many of you are taking your Tiger out of the
garage for the first time this year.  I would like to
remind you to check your lug nuts and tighten as
needed.  I almost found out the hard way what happens
when you ignore the lugs nuts about 3 years ago. 
     If you lucky enough to be able to drive your car
all year, it would be a great idea to check you lug
nuts today.
     Just thought you should know.

Paul
Paul R Sheahan 

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Sun Apr  6 16:03:37 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 23:03:37 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] please vote on my thread repair decision
In-Reply-To: <cab.2722ab3e.352a81e4@aol.com>
References: <cab.2722ab3e.352a81e4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b0804061503p5b6c7476i49398e7196681c45@mail.gmail.com>

the 1/4" longer bolt will not poke through by more than a fraction.
the existing threads appear sufficient to hold it with this extra 1/4"
inch.

thanks.

On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 8:43 PM,  <CoolVT at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> I would think that if there is room and you can get at it that you could use
> a longer bolt and where it pokes through put on a lockwasher and nut.  It
> that will work it should be at least as strong as it was originally.
> M
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Sun Apr  6 16:51:59 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:51:59 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] please vote on my thread repair decision
In-Reply-To: <39a841b0804061503p5b6c7476i49398e7196681c45@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cab.2722ab3e.352a81e4@aol.com>
	<39a841b0804061503p5b6c7476i49398e7196681c45@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47F9540F.9030508@mayfco.com>

Seemingly not addressed here is just how much load might be placed on 
these motor mounts and the three bolts holding it to the frame.  It has 
been forever since I removed mine (pre 1974) so I don't remember if 
these three bolts are 5/16 or 3/8.  If they are 5/16 the cross sectional 
area is 0.0767 sq inches. Published yeild on Grade 5 bolts is 120,000 
psi and shear is taken to be 60% of that number. So shear for one bolt 
would be int he neighborhood of 72000 psi. That works out to be about 
5500 pounds per bolt to shear it off. The notor weighs about 450 pounds 
per so and that is divided by two. So even with a 10 g load the max 
loads would be around 2250 pounds per side. And there are three bolts if 
I remember correctly. Plus this is a clamped joint with friction so that 
makes it even more conservative. 

So yeah, Owain, run a tap through the threads on the motor mount plate 
to make sure you don't bung up any more threads or a bolt and put in a 
bolt that will go at least flush with the through side surface. 
Naturally if the bolts are 3/8 inch it is even better. So put a bolt in 
it and don't worry about it.

mayf
Owain Lloyd wrote:

>the 1/4" longer bolt will not poke through by more than a fraction.
>the existing threads appear sufficient to hold it with this extra 1/4"
>inch.
>
>thanks.
>
>On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 8:43 PM,  <CoolVT at aol.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>I would think that if there is room and you can get at it that you could use
>>a longer bolt and where it pokes through put on a lockwasher and nut.  It
>>that will work it should be at least as strong as it was originally.
>>M
>>
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From gpointer at telusplanet.net  Sun Apr  6 17:34:56 2008
From: gpointer at telusplanet.net (Pointers)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 18:34:56 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Backup light lens mount and originality
Message-ID: <003701c8983e$d2d55610$4001a8c0@TIGERV8>

My car had a single rectangular shaped reverse light mounted underside the
bumper on the left side. Presume these were dealer installed to make the car
street legal? Brand, Cluteroche, is stamped on the lens in a handwritten
format (like Cluteroche), Made in France. One of the hard-to-describe rubber
sleeved, internal threaded, lens mounts is required. I've had it off the car
for years, as esthetics are better without it anyhow. Just want to know how
concerned I should be about repairing/preserving this unit, and where I could
get one of those lens mount thingys. Searched TU; no info. Sunbeam Specs; no
info. BON describes the reverse lamp kit (round pair - page 118), but not
rectangular, though there are two images (pg 13 and 62) showing cars with two
rectangular units equally spaced under bumper.

Gary.

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sun Apr  6 19:43:29 2008
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 18:43:29 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] please vote on my thread repair decision
References: <39a841b0804061231j15d0025fq709c9deb73393b39@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c89850$c7e294e0$0202a8c0@student2>

Like Mayf, I too can't remember the mount - exactly. Is there enough room to 
simply drill out the threads altogether?  Then, with a longer bolt just use 
a nut external on the mount to tighten the bolt with?

Tom 

From tsmit at shaw.ca  Sun Apr  6 22:15:17 2008
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 22:15:17 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] please vote on my thread repair decision
In-Reply-To: <003e01c89850$c7e294e0$0202a8c0@student2>
References: <39a841b0804061231j15d0025fq709c9deb73393b39@mail.gmail.com>
	<003e01c89850$c7e294e0$0202a8c0@student2>
Message-ID: <47F99FD5.1020105@shaw.ca>

The threads in question are 3/8-24, so having 1/4" of good thread would 
give you six full threads. I forget what the torque spec on that mount 
is, but you won't be able to get anywhere near the maximum torque that 
the fastener would normally be rated at. The rule of thumb (from Carroll 
Smith, IIRC) for full strength fastener engagement is that the thread 
should be fully engaged over one and a half diameters, which would be 
9/16".

The thing you're concerned with here is vibration related fretting and 
having the threads eventually wear due to localized high stress. If you 
use the longer bolt, then loc-tite (blue) it in place so you can at 
least be reasonably sure it will stay there even if you can't tighten it 
all the way to 50 foot pounds or whatever the proper torque is.

Theo

Thomas Witt wrote:
> Like Mayf, I too can't remember the mount - exactly. Is there enough room to 
> simply drill out the threads altogether?  Then, with a longer bolt just use 
> a nut external on the mount to tighten the bolt with?
>
> Tom

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Mon Apr  7 05:06:02 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:06:02 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] please vote on my thread repair decision
In-Reply-To: <47F99FD5.1020105@shaw.ca>
References: <39a841b0804061231j15d0025fq709c9deb73393b39@mail.gmail.com>
	<003e01c89850$c7e294e0$0202a8c0@student2> <47F99FD5.1020105@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <39a841b0804070406o67f53a8doa7dd01173338d048@mail.gmail.com>

many thanks for all the ideas.

- owain.

On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 5:15 AM, Theo Smit <tsmit at shaw.ca> wrote:
> The threads in question are 3/8-24, so having 1/4" of good thread would
>  give you six full threads. I forget what the torque spec on that mount
>  is, but you won't be able to get anywhere near the maximum torque that
>  the fastener would normally be rated at. The rule of thumb (from Carroll
>  Smith, IIRC) for full strength fastener engagement is that the thread
>  should be fully engaged over one and a half diameters, which would be
>  9/16".
>
>  The thing you're concerned with here is vibration related fretting and
>  having the threads eventually wear due to localized high stress. If you
>  use the longer bolt, then loc-tite (blue) it in place so you can at
>  least be reasonably sure it will stay there even if you can't tighten it
>  all the way to 50 foot pounds or whatever the proper torque is.
>
>  Theo
>
>
>
>  Thomas Witt wrote:
>  > Like Mayf, I too can't remember the mount - exactly. Is there enough room to
>  > simply drill out the threads altogether?  Then, with a longer bolt just use
>  > a nut external on the mount to tighten the bolt with?
>  >
>  > Tom
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From rjw at wengco.com  Mon Apr  7 06:10:23 2008
From: rjw at wengco.com (Robert J. Wanty)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:10:23 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Steering Rack
Message-ID: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C57DD4FA@weco1.wengco.com>

Does anyone know of a rebuilder or parts supplier for a do it yourself
rebuild? I seem to have about an 1/8 play on the right side.



Bob

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From mark.rense at ge.com  Mon Apr  7 09:59:32 2008
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd))
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 11:59:32 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] After-Market Distributor
Message-ID: <F039BAF0D766724ABE5A33EEDB320E5A043C208A@LOUMLVEM03.e2k.ad.ge.com>

I would like to replace my original dual-point distributor (with
Pertronix trigger) with a more modern unit with vacuum advance. Trouble
is, the one I bought (Pertronix D130700) is just enough larger in
housing diameter that it does not clear the F4B manifold.

Anyone running a F4B and aftermarket distributor?

Bugz

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Apr  7 10:05:06 2008
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:05:06 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] After-Market Distributor
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EEB7@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

I have an MSD E-curve distributor, new in the box. I can check its fit
on my F4B setup if you're interested. The distributor is for sale.

Theo

-----Original Message-----
<snip>

Anyone running a F4B and aftermarket distributor?

Bugz

From jteepen at usatoday.com  Mon Apr  7 10:48:45 2008
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:48:45 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] After-Market Distributor
In-Reply-To: <F039BAF0D766724ABE5A33EEDB320E5A043C208A@LOUMLVEM03.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <C51FB27096A91445A83B807489D006C31DC3A9@usat-vocex21.usatoday.us.ad.gannett.com>

 I heard/read somewhere that the initial run of the distributors from
Pertronix for SBFs had a dimensional flaw that fits the description that
you have given.  I suggest you contact Pertronox and see what
recommendations they may have to offer.
Otherwise, from my experiences, they have a very good line of products
and they stand behind them.

Jere

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 9:00 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] After-Market Distributor

I would like to replace my original dual-point distributor (with
Pertronix trigger) with a more modern unit with vacuum advance. Trouble
is, the one I bought (Pertronix D130700) is just enough larger in
housing diameter that it does not clear the F4B manifold.

Anyone running a F4B and aftermarket distributor?

Bugz
_______________________________________________
S

From mtjoy at telis.org  Mon Apr  7 10:57:38 2008
From: mtjoy at telis.org (Mountjoy)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 09:57:38 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] threads
Message-ID: <003701c898d0$7c7a2ba0$1db90c45@computer>

Good idea.  However, if you do run a same sized tap through the existing
threaded hole to clean up the existing threads make sure you use a tap
designed for that purpose (cleaning up existing threads).  If you use a tap
intended for cutting threads in unthreaded holes it will overcut the existing
threads, making them weaker than spec.  BTW, there are also tools designed for
cleaning up damaged threads on bolts without overcutting them.

Darrell

"...So yeah, Owain, run a tap through the threads on the motor mount plate
to make sure you don't bung up any more threads or a bolt and put in a
bolt that will go at least flush with the through side surface.
Naturally if the bolts are 3/8 inch it is even better. So put a bolt in
it and don't worry about it..."

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Mon Apr  7 12:45:15 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 11:45:15 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Backup light lens mount and originality
In-Reply-To: <003701c8983e$d2d55610$4001a8c0@TIGERV8>
References: <003701c8983e$d2d55610$4001a8c0@TIGERV8>
Message-ID: <47FA6BBB.7060105@SoCal.rr.com>

Gary,

While my '65 Mk I doesn't have back-up lights installed, my son's '67 
Series 4 Alpine does.  They are by "Lucas", and are rectangular.

I have the "Original" back-up lights, in a box. These are "slash tip" 
exhaust style housings that look similar to slashed exhaust tips. They 
are shown in the TigersUnited Rootes Accessories page:

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/Dealer_Accessories/DealerAccessCat.asp

Thanks to David and Gary Franchi.

I recommend the larger PDF, which has bigger and clearer pictures.

Steve

___
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Editor - TigersUnited.com



Pointers wrote:
> My car had a single rectangular shaped reverse light mounted underside the
> bumper on the left side. Presume these were dealer installed to make the car
> street legal? Brand, Cluteroche, is stamped on the lens in a handwritten
> format (like Cluteroche), Made in France. One of the hard-to-describe rubber
> sleeved, internal threaded, lens mounts is required. I've had it off the car
> for years, as esthetics are better without it anyhow. Just want to know how
> concerned I should be about repairing/preserving this unit, and where I could
> get one of those lens mount thingys. Searched TU; no info. Sunbeam Specs; no
> info. BON describes the reverse lamp kit (round pair - page 118), but not
> rectangular, though there are two images (pg 13 and 62) showing cars with two
> rectangular units equally spaced under bumper.
>
> Gary

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Mon Apr  7 13:32:16 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:32:16 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] After-Market Distributor
In-Reply-To: <F039BAF0D766724ABE5A33EEDB320E5A043C208A@LOUMLVEM03.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <F039BAF0D766724ABE5A33EEDB320E5A043C208A@LOUMLVEM03.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <47FA76C0.6070402@SoCal.rr.com>

Mark,

I am using it. It is the Pertronix I, and the LAT-F4B. It clears 
everything.  On my shelf is the newer Pertronix Ignitor II (91281), and 
"Flamethrower II" (45001) 0.6 ohm coil.  The my Pertronix I is running 
so well, Have little motivation to "upgrade" to my on-the shelf parts. 
No information on the D130700 system, but can't imagine any differences 
of meaning here.

See:   http://www.pertronix.com/prod/ig/ignitor/default.aspx

I could not find a D130700 product. Mine looks like the one pictured.

The installation fits very nicely inside the standard vacuum advance 
distributor.  Perhaps the"dual point" system takes up room that the 
single point systems doesn't. High voltage plug wires are important.

BTW:  The *original* vacuum advance distributor is single point.  I have 
had it "curved" by a shop that still has the old style distributor 
machine.  All is well.  I have heard that the "dual point" are difficult 
to dial-in, and not needed with the low current Pertonix. The "dual 
point" was meant to handle higher current standard systems.

A complex dual-points solution not required with  Pertronix systems, and 
not original. The points are no longer carrying the high current used in 
original designs and should not wear because there is little current 
switched.

Steve

___
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Editor - TigersUnited.com



Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) wrote:
> I would like to replace my original dual-point distributor (with
> Pertronix trigger) with a more modern unit with vacuum advance. Trouble
> is, the one I bought (Pertronix D130700) is just enough larger in
> housing diameter that it does not clear the F4B manifold.
>
> Anyone running a F4B and aftermarket distributor?
>
> Bugz

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Apr  7 13:47:31 2008
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:47:31 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] After-Market Distributor
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EEBB@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

Steve,
Mark is referring to the Pertronix Billet Distributor, not to the module
that installs inside an OEM distributor.

http://www.shopatron.com/product/part_number=D130700/591.0.15572.26688.2
096.0.0

Dual point distributors give extended dwell compared to single point
systems, which meant (back in the sixties) that you could run the engine
to higher RPM before the coil fizzled out. Because it was a performance
oriented product, dual point distributors did not come with vacuum
advance.

Theo

From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net  Mon Apr  7 14:56:29 2008
From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 16:56:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: SF Bay Area Britmeet Moves to new venue for 2008
Message-ID: <9182441.1207601789871.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

THE BRITISH CAR MEET * 2008
Sierra Point Marina * Brisbane, CA
Saturday and Sunday * September 6th & 7th

Join us for one of the most historic British automotive events in California
at our new dockside venue at the Sierra Point Marina. This is essentially the
popular Palo Alto meet in ia new location. Over 400 quirky, classic &
thoroughly lovable British cars are once again expected to grace the lawn and
adjacent parking area in Brisbane, California. We are also expecting another
great display of automotive oddities provided by the Arcane Auto Society.
Spectators attend & park for free.

* SUNDAY SHOW - SEPTEMBER 7th
Join your British car friends for a smashing day at the Marina. Don't have a
show car?  Don't worry! Daily drivers, vintage racers, street rods and
works-in-progress are as welcome as Concours quality show cars.  British food,
jazz, & more fun than you'll be able to tolerate!  Awards in many classes.
There will be no preregistration - all entrants will receive a commemorative
gift. Cars will be placed at 9:00AM and the fun goes on all day. The
registration fee is still $25 per car at the gate.

* SATURDAY TOUR - SEPTEMBER 6th

The British Car Meet TOUR TO THE SEA starts at the Sierra Point Marina
boathouse (the same place as the Sunday Car Show) and winds through the hills
to the sea. Itbs no-cost option for people who like to drive their cars as
well as show them.  We will be sending cars off between 9:00AM and 10:30AM.  A
map will be provided. The tour ends at Cameron's Pub in Half Moon Bay where we
will be kicking tyres and telling tall tales in the car park well into the
afternoon.

* DIRECTIONS:

>he Brisbane Marina is lacated just east of the Bayshore Freeway (101) between
San Francisco and the SF Airport/Highway 380. Just take the Sierra Point Exit
and follow the signs to the Marina. Trailer parking will be available on-site.

Call for information:  310-392-6605
e-mail: Sierra Point Marina Britmeet <rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net>

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Apr  7 17:03:32 2008
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:03:32 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Backup light lens mount and originality
In-Reply-To: <47FA6BBB.7060105@SoCal.rr.com>
References: <003701c8983e$d2d55610$4001a8c0@TIGERV8>
	<47FA6BBB.7060105@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0804071603i3f99155bi7cb56d230bbb5503@mail.gmail.com>

The rectangular lights are WIPAC units. The are rear mounting, the earlier
style lights (exhuast tip style) were by sparto. They changed to the WIPAC's
in SV alpine MKIA tiger period.


-- 
Regards

Michael King

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Apr  7 17:12:56 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:12:56 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] threads
In-Reply-To: <003701c898d0$7c7a2ba0$1db90c45@computer>
References: <003701c898d0$7c7a2ba0$1db90c45@computer>
Message-ID: <47FAAA78.6040706@mayfco.com>

Yup. Sound advice. 

mayf
Mountjoy wrote:

>Good idea.  However, if you do run a same sized tap through the existing
>threaded hole to clean up the existing threads make sure you use a tap
>designed for that purpose (cleaning up existing threads).  If you use a tap
>intended for cutting threads in unthreaded holes it will overcut the existing
>threads, making them weaker than spec.  BTW, there are also tools designed for
>cleaning up damaged threads on bolts without overcutting them.
>
>Darrell
>
>"...So yeah, Owain, run a tap through the threads on the motor mount plate
>to make sure you don't bung up any more threads or a bolt and put in a
>bolt that will go at least flush with the through side surface.
>Naturally if the bolts are 3/8 inch it is even better. So put a bolt in
>it and don't worry about it..."
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Apr  7 17:22:26 2008
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:22:26 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Backup light lens mount and originality
In-Reply-To: <47FA6BBB.7060105@SoCal.rr.com>
References: <003701c8983e$d2d55610$4001a8c0@TIGERV8>
	<47FA6BBB.7060105@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0804071622sa910e8fn968febe7af7297e4@mail.gmail.com>

Just to add some info.

The spattos used on the sunbeams are slightly different to those used on
other vehicles. They have a shorter lamp socket and the screws are monuted
90degrees round from some other models. The WIPCACS shopudl be patr # SAE
R66. these are rear mountig with a glass lens.

If anyone wants info on these lights send me an email and ill send you a PDF
with what i have pics and data.

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From srwick at hotmail.com  Mon Apr  7 19:37:42 2008
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 18:37:42 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] After-Market Distributor
References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EEBB@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV957EE2136BF3D5C1CBE95D8F20@phx.gbl>

Maybe aftermarket, but some factory dual point distributors had vac. advance,
such as Boss 302 and Boss 351. Just throwing it out for clarification.

Steve ( in N.Id.)
   Because it was a performance
  oriented product, dual point distributors did not come with vacuum
  advance.

  Theo
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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Apr  7 20:33:10 2008
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:33:10 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] MKII TIGER
Message-ID: <d86d088a0804071933l2363090aj9a6181bf200c885d@mail.gmail.com>

just up for sale in Melbourne AU, this car was restored a couple of years
back:


http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/SUNBEAM/TIGER/details.aspx?__sid=116AF459F13B&Cr=0&__Ns=pCar_PrivateSpecialFlag_Int32|1||pCar_ImageCount_Int32|1||pCar_LastModifiedDate_DateTime|1&State=All%20States&distance=25&silo=1003&seot=0&__Nne=20&R=5559865&__N=4294962342+0+834+285+257&Make=SUNBEAM&state_id=0&trecs=2


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Michael King

From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Apr  7 20:41:59 2008
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 22:41:59 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] MKII TIGER
Message-ID: <c36.287a9bbc.352c3577@aol.com>

I think that car would be too nice to  drive. 



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From MWood24020 at aol.com  Mon Apr  7 20:45:53 2008
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 22:45:53 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] MKII TIGER
Message-ID: <d05.2e08492c.352c3661@aol.com>

Wouldn't it need a RHD conversion to register/drive in Australia? Or have  
the rules changed?
 
 
In a message dated 4/7/2008 7:33:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
michael.s.king at gmail.com writes:

http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/SUNBEAM/TIGER/details.aspx?__sid=
116AF459F13B&Cr=0&__Ns=pCar_PrivateSpecialFlag_Int32|1||pCar_ImageCount_Int32|
1||pCar_LastModifiedDate_DateTime|1&State=All%20States&distance=25&silo=1003&s
eot=0&__Nne=20&R=5559865&__N=4294962342+0+834+285+257&Make=SUNBEAM&state_id=0&
trecs=2





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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Apr  7 20:53:27 2008
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:53:27 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] MKII TIGER
In-Reply-To: <d05.2e08492c.352c3661@aol.com>
References: <d05.2e08492c.352c3661@aol.com>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0804071953t72cc3c42q98a5ed5d71e8df74@mail.gmail.com>

You can reguister cars fully in AU if they are over 30 years old.. or could
put it on limited classic registration.

On 08/04/2008, MWood24020 at aol.com <MWood24020 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>  Wouldn't it need a RHD conversion to register/drive in Australia? Or have
> the rules changed?
>
>  In a message dated 4/7/2008 7:33:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> michael.s.king at gmail.com writes:
>
>
> http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/SUNBEAM/TIGER/details.aspx?__sid=116AF459F13B&Cr=0&__Ns=pCar_PrivateSpecialFlag_Int32|1||pCar_ImageCount_Int32|1||pCar_LastModifiedDate_DateTime|1&State=All%20States&distance=25&silo=1003&seot=0&__Nne=20&R=5559865&__N=4294962342+0+834+285+257&Make=SUNBEAM&state_id=0&trecs=2<http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/SUNBEAM/TIGER/details.aspx?__sid=116AF459F13B&Cr=0&__Ns=pCar_PrivateSpecialFlag_Int32%7C1%7C%7CpCar_ImageCount_Int32%7C1%7C%7CpCar_LastModifiedDate_DateTime%7C1&State=All%20States&distance=25&silo=1003&seot=0&__Nne=20&R=5559865&__N=4294962342+0+834+285+257&Make=SUNBEAM&state_id=0&trecs=2>
>
>
>
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From Sjhcobra1 at cs.com  Mon Apr  7 21:30:55 2008
From: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Sjhcobra1 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 23:30:55 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] After-Market Distributor
Message-ID: <31AF384F.5C43D0C4.028BE4CD@cs.com>

Mark:

I've been using the MSD Plug'N Play billet distributor that does not require a box; only a higher output coil on my Mk2 for about two years now and like it a lot.

I tried to use the Pertronix coil, but it did not fit deep enough into the cam gear.

Steve Halbrook

From MWood24020 at aol.com  Mon Apr  7 21:39:08 2008
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 23:39:08 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] MKII TIGER
Message-ID: <ccd.2fe5bf9f.352c42dc@aol.com>

I didn't know that...you learn something everyday :-)
 
Beautiful MK II...what is it, about $120,000 U.S.? That would be quite a  
price for any Tiger! 
 
Mike
 
 
In a message dated 4/7/2008 7:54:02 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
michael.s.king at gmail.com writes:

You can  reguister cars fully in AU if they are over 30 years old.. or could
put it  on limited classic  registration.





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From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr  8 03:42:35 2008
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 02:42:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart's Tiger Is A  Alpine!
Message-ID: <35330.33935.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Here is the scoop on what car was used in the new Get Smart movie.  They used a Alpine with Tiger trim.  Actually, it was two Alpines.  One was a stunt car and was banged up a bit.  Maxwell retrieves the Tiger from the Smithsonian along with the shoe phone. The correct "Tiger" sound was provided by a Los Angeles Tiger.
   
                                                 Jeff
   
   
   
  http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2008/112_0803_smarts_sunbeam

From un-cole-a at juno.com  Tue Apr  8 07:43:18 2008
From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:43:18 GMT
Subject: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart's Tiger Is A  Alpine!
Message-ID: <20080408.094318.24654.0@webmail24.vgs.untd.com>

Just wait until after this movie comes out, every Tom, Dick and Harry,( figure
of speech ), will be selling their RARE Alpine or Tiger for a premium price.
Parts are already getting ridicules, after the movie who knows what will
happen.


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From un-cole-a at juno.com  Tue Apr  8 07:58:19 2008
From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:58:19 GMT
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Accessories
Message-ID: <20080408.095819.24654.3@webmail24.vgs.untd.com>

Just bought the Book of Norma and have been reading it the past few days.
Great info
I just read the "Accessories" chapter, and was wondering how many of the
accessories that were available are actually accounted for? Or should I say
how many are on Tigers as of today or are sitting in someones garage or
basement?
Also, due to some resurgences, as small as it may be, of the Tiger and Alpine
in the last few years, I wonder why no one as looked at these items to
reproduce?
Just some thoughts to think about.

Tim
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From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net  Tue Apr  8 08:19:04 2008
From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 07:19:04 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart's Tiger Is A  Alpine!
In-Reply-To: <35330.33935.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <35330.33935.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47FB7ED8.8010908@cox.net>

Uhh, not exactly a Tiger engine sound.
When I read the article
> Segal added that in trying to keep with the TV series, he has a friend 
> who is an editor and a big "Get Smart" fan who has a mint condition 
> Sunbeam Tiger in Los Angeles that had a replica of a machine gun that 
> raises up out of the hood, and they recorded the engine sound off her 
> car, to stay as close to the original car as possible.
I'm pretty sure he's talking about Sue Kesler's car.  She's a film 
editor, she lives in L.A., she's a Get Smart fanatic--and she has what 
looks like a perfect Tiger--but it's an Alpine with a Ford 2.8L V-6 
conversion.  Smitty and I swapped the engine and A4LD auto trans into 
the car using the Joe Rodriguez kit, and after I sold the car to Sue she 
painted, badged and upholstered it to look like Max's Tiger--and did an 
outstanding job, too!  She's never tried to pass the car off as an 
actual Tiger, just a look-alike.
So, if I'm right about whose car the engine sounds were recorded off of, 
what you hear isn't exactly the growl of a Tiger. :-)
Mind you, the V-6 DID have a nice exhaust note.

Here's a pic of Sue's car--the side pipes are a giveaway that it's a Joe 
Rodriguez  V-6 conversion kit.
http://home.earthlink.net/~bennybabe/index.html

And here's a pic of her car with the machine gun. 
http://home.earthlink.net/~bennybabe/id1.html
I painted the timing cover yellow, and used yellow spark plug wires.  
I'm guessing that the bit of yellow you see under the machine gun is a 
plug wire....


Best Regards
David Sosna
P.S. It's probably too much to expect that a hollywood producer is 
really going to know the difference between the sound of a V-6 and a V-8.
P.P.S.  Sue'll probably have the car at Tigers United in Big Bear this 
year for those that want to see it.  In fact, I'm surprised she wasn't 
at the All-British car show in Van Nuys last weekend.



Jeffrey Nichols wrote:
>  The correct "Tiger" sound was provided by a Los Angeles Tiger.
>    
>                                                  Jeff
>    
>    
>    
>   http://www.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2008/112_0803_smarts_sunbeam

From j_d_johnson at earthlink.net  Tue Apr  8 09:09:04 2008
From: j_d_johnson at earthlink.net (J D Johnson)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 08:09:04 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart's Tiger Is A  Alpine!
In-Reply-To: <47FB7ED8.8010908@cox.net>
References: <35330.33935.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<47FB7ED8.8010908@cox.net>
Message-ID: <E1JjFRo-0007e2-Jl@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

No doubt the reason she's labled the picture link on her website "My 
Sunbeam Tiger"

JD

At 07:19 AM 4/8/2008, David Sosna wrote:
>...snip.. She's never tried to pass the car off as an
>actual Tiger, just a look-alike...snip..

From cmccann at lwpb.com  Tue Apr  8 09:29:14 2008
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 10:29:14 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart's Tiger Is A  Alpine!
In-Reply-To: <E1JjFRo-0007e2-Jl@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <35330.33935.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com><47FB7ED8.8010908@cox.net>
	<E1JjFRo-0007e2-Jl@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <D8223A11C9357D4891EA3884907F70867F99CA@lwpb-email1.LWPB.local>

In the motor trend article on the net, "Segal" who sounds like either
the director or producer of the movie, makes this statement about the
car:

".....So unless you lifted up the hood, you would not be able to tell
the difference," Segal says. "It's an exact replica. To the lay person,
to the naked eye it will look like a Tiger because that's what the show
had. Purists will know. The Alpine and the Tiger are the exact same
except for the engine."

The only part I disagree with is that the Alpine and Tiger are exactly
the same other than the engine, although I would agree that's what most
people think that I talk to....that the engine is the only difference.
Oh well.

Cullen
1452








Subject: Re: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart's Tiger Is A Alpine!

No doubt the reason she's labled the picture link on her website "My
Sunbeam Tiger"

JD

From Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com  Tue Apr  8 09:58:39 2008
From: Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy))
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 11:58:39 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Member contact
Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF093183E3@norn32.d30.intra>

Listers,

I am tabulating the data from the last Dyno day in So Cal and need to
get in touch with two Cat members. Rick Johnson and Mark Thereaux. I
would like some detail on their cars for the newsletter and would love
for them to contact me to gather the data. I can be reached at

timothy.ronak AT crna.akzonobel.com or the can call my cell (949 area
code) 289 space 3357.



We had a request for details on the combinations so I am trying to
accommodate that request. I would like to have this pulled together by
the end of the week to help Mike Michels hit his deadline.

Best Regards,

Tim Ronak
Services Consultant

Akzo Nobel Coatings
23961 Via El Rocio
Mission Viejo, CA 92691

Bus: 949-305-5393
Fax: 425-955-6268
Cell: 949-289-3357
email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com
Personal email: timronak at cox.net

From MTaylor at ea.com  Tue Apr  8 10:04:48 2008
From: MTaylor at ea.com (Taylor, Matthew)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:04:48 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Accessories
In-Reply-To: <20080408.095819.24654.3@webmail24.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20080408.095819.24654.3@webmail24.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <AB5C6343C590534A834DE2FA866B55C702588A48@eahq-mmx.rws.ad.ea.com>

I wonder why no one as looked at these items to
reproduce?

I reproduced the cigar lighter and have both lighted and regular
versions available.  However, I only made about 30 and am almost sold
out.  They have been advertised in STOA's Tiger Tracks for a while now.

I made the knob out of black delrin.  It is about 99% exact, so you can
really only tell the difference if you hold it next to an original.  The
collar was made out of polished stainless and is an exact match except
that it is not chrome.  The lighted version comes with the correct
orange ring and all have the correct Casco element.  Prices below if
anyone is interested.

With lighted housing and orange ring: $100
With regular housing:  $70
Without housing:  $65

Matthew
President - STOA
66 Sunbeam Tiger
65 Mustang Fastback

From Rollright at aol.com  Tue Apr  8 11:27:18 2008
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:27:18 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137
Message-ID: <c29.32519857.352d04f6@aol.com>

RE: CIGAR LIGHTERS
 
Hello,
 
I for one would love to see what an original "Cigar Lighter" looks  like. 
Strange, but I'vfe always wondered....
 
 
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE



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From prbreuhan at hotmail.com  Tue Apr  8 12:00:40 2008
From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:00:40 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137...Lighters...
In-Reply-To: <c29.32519857.352d04f6@aol.com>
References: <c29.32519857.352d04f6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY114-W36DB62BE0FD3FA3D7CC58FAAF20@phx.gbl>

I didn't have lighter in my car, but I bought one of these knobs on Ebay
(#330224848278)...only 6 hours to go...from the same seller.

Then I bought a cheap-o lighter from the local PEP Boys auto parts store for
about $10....changed the knob...and Voil` (or as they say in France...there it
is).

The collar isn't the same but close enough for me and a non-stock car.

Paul

> From: Rollright at aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 13:27:18 -0400> To:
tigers at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137>
> RE: CIGAR LIGHTERS> > Hello,> > I for one would love to see what an original
"Cigar Lighter" looks like. > Strange, but I'vfe always wondered....> > > >
Jim Armstrong> Mk 1A 382002083> LRXFE
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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Tue Apr  8 14:02:41 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:02:41 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] ammeter
In-Reply-To: <001101c88eac$e95acbe0$2f01a8c0@smith>
References: <001101c88eac$e95acbe0$2f01a8c0@smith>
Message-ID: <47FBCF61.6000705@SoCal.rr.com>

Kirk,

Don't know about the Mk I A's, but my Mk I has all Jaeger instruments 
and clock, except for the 30 amp ammeter (which is Lucas, and it works! 
:-) )

Steve
___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com



Kirk Smith wrote:
> Several years ago I mentioned the lack of any reference to Jaeger instruments
> in BON to Norm.  It was sort of like Dorothy approaching the Wizard;)  As I
> was awaiting my flaming, Norm calmly says (paraphrase), "Oh, I forgot about
> that".
>
> So, 'yes', Jaeger 30 for a Tiger with a generator is correct-o-mundo.
>
> Kirk
> B382000503

From vegaslegal at aol.com  Tue Apr  8 14:11:13 2008
From: vegaslegal at aol.com (vegaslegal at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:11:13 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Red Tiger on EBAY
Message-ID: <8CA67CBD3FF2704-160C-36DB@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com>

A red Tiger is currently on E-Bay as item # 220220182604.? As I look at it, I do not doubt its originality, but have a couple of questions concerning what may be mods on the car or may be original.? I'm curious as to whether it is or is not a variation in construction.? The # on the car indicates that it is an MK1a.

First, there is a data plate on the car.? I understood that MK1a's had rivets and no data plates.? Am I wrong, is this an add-on, or were there variations?

Second, isn't the brake booster the wrong size?

Third, the data plate says "Alpine 260" while the serial plate indicates LRXFE.? Aren't those inconsistent?

Fourth, the dash appears grained.? Weren't the dashes burl?

Fifth, was it these cars that had the plasticized metal ring at the shifter rather than the chrome?

Thanx?

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Tue Apr  8 14:18:22 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:18:22 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] still laughing
In-Reply-To: <656479.12330.qm@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <656479.12330.qm@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47FBD30E.904@SoCal.rr.com>

Tony,

The link is:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280073620727&ru=http://motors.shop.ebay.com:80/Parts-Accessories___W0QQ_fromZR40QQ_trksidZm39QQ_nkwZ280073620727QQ_fviZ1 
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280073620727&ru=http://motors.shop.ebay.com:80/Parts-Accessories___W0QQ_fromZR40QQ_trksidZm39QQ_nkwZ280073620727QQ_fviZ1>

Due to length of address may cause part of the address not to be HOT.  Use Copy/paste to allow it all to be entered into your browser. If it is all "HOT" (all colored and underlined, just click on it. If not, it is easily sent by "dragging" the address of the page to the e-mail.

Or paste (280073620727) into ebay's "search" feature, to get to this site!

AND look, He has springs AND boots for the trunk.

His "store" address for more items is:

http://stores.ebay.com/PICK-A-PART_W0QQ_trksidZp284.m184QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DDR%26its%3DS%252BI%252BSS%26itu%3DISS%252BUCI%252BSI%26otn%3D4

Steve

___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com



Tony Somebody wrote:
> List-
> Ok, maybe this person is serious and maybe he is
> wasting time and money- I think he is serious- go to
> Epay and using this item number(280073620727).Sorry
> Ive forgotten how to send you a link, directly to the
> page etc. but I promise it is worth looking at his
> Beam parts and store- if you dont like his buy it now
> prices, he will entertain offers.It is good he has a
> picapart S4 he is parting out, I can imangine Tiger
> parts near 10k for headlight retaining rings-or what
> he would do witha Mk2 box of goodies. Enjoy the look
> and hey, maybe you will see something you just have to
> have- RIGHT lol. TonytheTiger

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Tue Apr  8 14:27:13 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:27:13 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Alpine Wheels
In-Reply-To: <637532.40491.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <637532.40491.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <47FBD521.6030209@SoCal.rr.com>

Bill,

Please do NOT use Alpine wheels on a Tiger.  Although they may "fit", 
the center section stamping is thinner than the Tiger, and could fail 
under loads.

The wire wheels suffer the same lack of strength on the heavier power 
and more weight of the Tiger. The early Triumph TR4's could not be 
sanctioned raced without hub plates, as their wheels would fail.

Steve

___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com



Bill Waite wrote:
> What's he know that we don't know?  Has there been a run on Alpine wheels? 
>    
>   Somebody should have the guy look at the other Alpine wheel auction on eBay now: item  number 280211411331.  That auction offers three of those "valuable" and scarce wheels, no reserve... at $19.95.
>    
>   Bill

From jimdamelio at cox.net  Tue Apr  8 14:47:43 2008
From: jimdamelio at cox.net (Jim D'Amelio)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:47:43 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] still laughing
In-Reply-To: <47FBD30E.904@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <OPEPINKPGDPLMNOHKOIOMEOAJEAA.jimdamelio@cox.net>

Who is this guy?  I sure hope someone new to the marque doesn't get suckered
in.  Think I'll jump on the set of used Sunbeam letters with broken tabs and
missing the "M" for $100!!!!

Jim D

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces+jimdamelio=cox.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces+jimdamelio=coox.net at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of
Steve Laifman
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 4:18 PM
To: Tony Somebody
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] still laughing


Tony,

The link is:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280073620727&r
u=http://motors.shop.ebay.com:80/Parts-Accessories___W0QQ_fromZR40QQ_trksidZ
m39QQ_nkwZ280073620727QQ_fviZ1
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280073620727&
ru=http://motors.shop.ebay.com:80/Parts-Accessories___W0QQ_fromZR40QQ_trksid
Zm39QQ_nkwZ280073620727QQ_fviZ1>

Due to length of address may cause part of the address not to be HOT.  Use
Copy/paste to allow it all to be entered into your browser. If it is all
"HOT" (all colored and underlined, just click on it. If not, it is easily
sent by "dragging" the address of the page to the e-mail.

Or paste (280073620727) into ebay's "search" feature, to get to this site!

AND look, He has springs AND boots for the trunk.

His "store" address for more items is:

http://stores.ebay.com/PICK-A-PART_W0QQ_trksidZp284.m184QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DD
R%26its%3DS%252BI%252BSS%26itu%3DISS%252BUCI%252BSI%26otn%3D4

Steve

___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com

From mrlau at charter.net  Tue Apr  8 15:02:42 2008
From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:02:42 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] still laughing
In-Reply-To: <OPEPINKPGDPLMNOHKOIOMEOAJEAA.jimdamelio@cox.net>
Message-ID: <20080408210300.HXAA11293.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark>

Does the valve stem cap come with the wheel for $249.99 or is it extra. 
  The missing "M" is what makes it so cheap.  If he had that and it was a
complete set (with all tabs broken) it would be much more. --Bill --



Who is this guy?  I sure hope someone new to the marque doesn't get suckered
in.  Think I'll jump on the set of used Sunbeam letters with broken tabs and
missing the "M" for $100!!!!

Jim D

From cmccann at lwpb.com  Tue Apr  8 14:44:16 2008
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:44:16 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] still laughing
In-Reply-To: <47FBD30E.904@SoCal.rr.com>
References: <656479.12330.qm@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<47FBD30E.904@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <D8223A11C9357D4891EA3884907F70867F9A85@lwpb-email1.LWPB.local>

I agree that price is obviously ridiculous, but there is another side to
this coin. It kinda reminds me of every time a set of "Buddy Bar Tiger
powered by ford valve covers" go up for auction, and we've discussed
this before I think. You can buy a brand new set of the same casting, in
stock for 230 bucks at SS, but they will sell on ePay for 450 bucks a
pair every time.
The point is that I think this guy is hoping to sell this wheel at an
outrageous price simply by convincing some unexpecting fool that it
really is so rare, that it must be the find of a century. Obviously we
all know the difference, but what if he were to sell it? He would make
250 bucks an laugh all the way to the bank... as they say.

Now I wouldnt do that, because I have to sleep at night, but I'll bet he
doesn't think its worth that, he's just hoping to sell it to someone who
doesn't know the difference. Not trying to defend him, because I think
he's an idiot, but it is a free country and I just pity the fool who
gets reeled into his scheme.

Unfortunately, if one of us posted a headlight on there, and at no buy
it now and it bid all the way up to 450 bucks, nobody would complain, we
( I ) would be thrilled....Id be looking in the shop for more
headlights....but when someone tries to sell something at this high
price from the start we consider it dishonest.

I'm basically playing devils advocate....thinkin out loud. The one thing
I will say is this seller isn't too bright because he posted the
questions of everyone accusing him of misleading his auction viewers.
That's not helping his case at all and he doesn't have to show the
questions and responses. Kinda makes him look stupid.

Cullen
1452

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Tue Apr  8 15:41:14 2008
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:41:14 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] still laughing
References: <656479.12330.qm@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<47FBD30E.904@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <00a301c899c1$455b2c40$0202a8c0@student2>

Too bad that the tire is unusable.  Had the seller been able to claim that 
it had "factory air" the value might have made it an even exchange for TBON. 
:-)

Tom

P.S. Just so no one gets the wrong idea, - I am only kidding. 

From jimdamelio at cox.net  Tue Apr  8 15:55:15 2008
From: jimdamelio at cox.net (Jim D'Amelio)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 17:55:15 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Accessories
In-Reply-To: <AB5C6343C590534A834DE2FA866B55C702588A48@eahq-mmx.rws.ad.ea.com>
Message-ID: <OPEPINKPGDPLMNOHKOIOAEOCJEAA.jimdamelio@cox.net>

I have uploaded pictures of a NOS Rootes cigarette lighter I have.  Sorry,
it's not for sale.

Jim D

http://www.sunbeamtiger.net/images/CigarLighter-001.jpg

http://www.sunbeamtiger.net/images/CigarLighter-002.jpg

http://www.sunbeamtiger.net/images/CigarLighter-003.jpg

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces+jimdamelio=cox.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces+jimdamelio=cox.net at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of
Taylor, Matthew
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:05 PM
To: un-cole-a at juno.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Accessories


I wonder why no one as looked at these items to
reproduce?

I reproduced the cigar lighter and have both lighted and regular
versions available.  However, I only made about 30 and am almost sold
out.  They have been advertised in STOA's Tiger Tracks for a while now.

I made the knob out of black delrin.  It is about 99% exact, so you can
really only tell the difference if you hold it next to an original.  The
collar was made out of polished stainless and is an exact match except
that it is not chrome.  The lighted version comes with the correct
orange ring and all have the correct Casco element.  Prices below if
anyone is interested.

With lighted housing and orange ring: $100
With regular housing:  $70
Without housing:  $65

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Tue Apr  8 16:01:32 2008
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:01:32 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Red Tiger on EBAY
References: <8CA67CBD3FF2704-160C-36DB@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com>
Message-ID: <00c201c899c4$1b41dc80$0202a8c0@student2>

Most of those things are superficial as to the authenticity, but I believe 
you are correct in your assessment.  The car is only about 10 miles from 
where I live in Thousand Oaks and Jay Laifman is a whole lot closer (not 
that I'm asking Jay).
The sellers feedback is on the low side at 93.7% (for Ebay).  While that 
might not seem like much, from my perspective I get leery if a seller get 
into 98%.  Most good Ebayers are in the 99%-100% range.
I guess none of those things should keep it from being a decent buy. Like 
any Tiger purchase investigate, beware and know what your buying.
Tom 

From mtjoy at telis.org  Tue Apr  8 16:42:19 2008
From: mtjoy at telis.org (Mountjoy)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:42:19 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Upcoming TU
Message-ID: <001801c899c9$ce149230$1db90c45@computer>

Listers,

Sorry to bomb the list but TU XXXI Bulletin #6 has just come out and has some
important information on it.  First, the cutoff date with the hotel to get our
room rate is April 23.  Second, the cutoff date for early registration is May
1st.  Registrations received after that date will take a $20. hit.  Third, the
Bulletin referrs to Bulletin #5 that advises if towing to TU not to take Hwy
18.  Hwy 38 or Hwy 30 are much better choices.  For more information please
see the CAT web site at http://www.catmbr.org/Events1.htm .  It should be
posted there soon.

Thanks,

Darrell

From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net  Tue Apr  8 16:43:18 2008
From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:43:18 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart's Tiger Is A  Alpine!
In-Reply-To: <E1JjFRo-0007e2-Jl@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <35330.33935.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<47FB7ED8.8010908@cox.net>
	<E1JjFRo-0007e2-Jl@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <47FBF506.7030007@cox.net>

Well, JD, you could have a point there.
Or, you could interpret the captions around the photo that the link 
leads to:
> */Would you believe this is Maxwell Smart's car?.../*

> */...would you believe a replica? This is my beautiful 1965 Sunbeam 
> and it was restored to show quality in 2002 to look just like Max's 
> Tiger. The paint was matched with the same code as the 1965 Carnival 
> Red, new "Tiger" interior, carpet chrome and machine gun under hood/*
to mean that she's not claiming it's a Tiger.
I'd prefer to believe the latter, but then, I've met the lady and I'd 
like to believe the best of her.

Best Regards
David
P.S. Now, if she tries to SELL it as a Tiger, that'd be a different 
story :-)
P.P.S.   But she hasn't.
P.P.P.S.  Yet.

J D Johnson wrote:
> No doubt the reason she's labled the picture link on her website "My 
> Sunbeam Tiger"
>
> JD
>
> At 07:19 AM 4/8/2008, David Sosna wrote:
>   
>> ...snip.. She's never tried to pass the car off as an
>> actual Tiger, just a look-alike...snip..

From gswaybright at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  8 16:58:37 2008
From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 15:58:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Maxwell Smart's Tiger Is A  Alpine!
In-Reply-To: <47FBF506.7030007@cox.net>
Message-ID: <953327.95905.qm@web31705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Of course after the movie comes out, she can probably get top dollar by
selling it for what it is.. probably the best replica of the Get Smart
car available, especially since Alpines were used in shooting both the
TV show and the new movie. You may even see more Alpine conversions
take that path since it will yeild a better return on investment than
the cost and effort to build a convincing Tiger conversion from an
Alpine (Think General Lee Chargers).

Look for Alpine values to bump after the movie as well. Remember, you
read it hear first.  ;)

Stephen Waybright

--- David Sosna <sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net> wrote:

> P.S. Now, if she tries to SELL it as a Tiger, that'd be a different 
> story :-)
> P.P.S.   But she hasn't.
> P.P.P.S.  Yet.

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Apr  8 17:14:59 2008
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 09:14:59 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Red Tiger on EBAY
In-Reply-To: <00c201c899c4$1b41dc80$0202a8c0@student2>
References: <8CA67CBD3FF2704-160C-36DB@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com>
	<00c201c899c4$1b41dc80$0202a8c0@student2>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0804081614m26408b41s554b5cc4bc16f13a@mail.gmail.com>

I elmaied the seller about that car whe it first came up.. asking about the
JAL number. There is NO JAL ID for the car, and having shelby sign it doesnt
make it real either.. might be worth doing some digging on the history if
you are looking at it.

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From vegaslegal at aol.com  Tue Apr  8 17:36:04 2008
From: vegaslegal at aol.com (vegaslegal at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:36:04 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Red Tiger on EBAY
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a0804081614m26408b41s554b5cc4bc16f13a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8CA67CBD3FF2704-160C-36DB@webmail-nf11.sim.aol.com>
	<00c201c899c4$1b41dc80$0202a8c0@student2>
	<d86d088a0804081614m26408b41s554b5cc4bc16f13a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CA67E871D59232-137C-1FA4@webmail-nb14.sysops.aol.com>

Might be a misunderstanding.? I am not looking at it.? I have an MK1a, and am pretty much checking the originality of the items discussed.


-----Original Message-----
From: michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com>
To: Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 4:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Red Tiger on EBAY



I elmaied the seller about that car whe it first came up.. asking about the
JAL number. There is NO JAL ID for the car, and having shelby sign it doesnt
make it real either.. might be worth doing some digging on the history if
you are looking at it.

-- 
Regards

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From twotigers at verizon.net  Tue Apr  8 18:21:56 2008
From: twotigers at verizon.net (Kirk Smith)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:21:56 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Jaeger clock
Message-ID: <003701c899d7$b9141aa0$2f01a8c0@smith>

Steve- Don't say "Jaeger clock" too loud;)  Kirk.

From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr  8 19:46:41 2008
From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 18:46:41 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] still laughing
In-Reply-To: <D8223A11C9357D4891EA3884907F70867F9A85@lwpb-email1.LWPB.local>
Message-ID: <000701c899e3$8ff25b30$6600a8c0@ROSS>

Cullen,

Did you notice his eBay handle?  High IQ in NY! I just knew someone with
this much ego had to be a left coaster. ;>)

Ross


I agree that price is obviously ridiculous, but there is another side to
this coin. It kinda reminds me of every time a set of "Buddy Bar Tiger
powered by ford valve covers" go up for auction, and we've discussed
this before I think. You can buy a brand new set of the same casting, in
stock for 230 bucks at SS, but they will sell on ePay for 450 bucks a
pair every time.
The point is that I think this guy is hoping to sell this wheel at an
outrageous price simply by convincing some unexpecting fool that it
really is so rare, that it must be the find of a century. Obviously we
all know the difference, but what if he were to sell it? He would make
250 bucks an laugh all the way to the bank... as they say.

Now I wouldnt do that, because I have to sleep at night, but I'll bet he
doesn't think its worth that, he's just hoping to sell it to someone who
doesn't know the difference. Not trying to defend him, because I think
he's an idiot, but it is a free country and I just pity the fool who
gets reeled into his scheme.

Unfortunately, if one of us posted a headlight on there, and at no buy
it now and it bid all the way up to 450 bucks, nobody would complain, we
( I ) would be thrilled....Id be looking in the shop for more
headlights....but when someone tries to sell something at this high
price from the start we consider it dishonest.

I'm basically playing devils advocate....thinkin out loud. The one thing
I will say is this seller isn't too bright because he posted the
questions of everyone accusing him of misleading his auction viewers.
That's not helping his case at all and he doesn't have to show the
questions and responses. Kinda makes him look stupid.

Cullen

From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr  8 21:31:47 2008
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 20:31:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Barret Jackson Money for a Tiger
Message-ID: <809450.67035.qm@web81501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Check out this link for a Australian Tiger MK II @ $129,950  Some serious money is asked for this car.  Must have been a import because it is a left hand drive.
   
   
  http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/SUNBEAM/private-results.aspx?State=All%20States&N=4294962342+0+834+285+257&Make=SUNBEAM&distance=25&state_id=0
   
   
   
                                                      Jeff

From cmccann at lwpb.com  Wed Apr  9 07:02:13 2008
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 08:02:13 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] still laughing
In-Reply-To: <000701c899e3$8ff25b30$6600a8c0@ROSS>
References: <D8223A11C9357D4891EA3884907F70867F9A85@lwpb-email1.LWPB.local>
	<000701c899e3$8ff25b30$6600a8c0@ROSS>
Message-ID: <D8223A11C9357D4891EA3884907F70867F9AFB@lwpb-email1.LWPB.local>

Ross,

"Highiqinny"....I didn't make the connection at first but your exactly
right....thats hilarious! I agree...that figures....left coast, east
coast....I know what you mean. Dude's kinda high on himself I think.

I'm impressed you figured that out, looked like jibberish to me at
first...you must be really good at crossword puzzles and stuff.

;>}

C










Cullen,

Did you notice his eBay handle?  High IQ in NY! I just knew someone with
this much ego had to be a left coaster. ;>)

Ross

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 11:34:38 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:34:38 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] engine mount alignment
Message-ID: <39a841b0804091034w3d47437ejdcd3748ad96c93b7@mail.gmail.com>

does anyone have any tricks for getting the engine into the right
place to bolt up the mounts?

i've just changed the mounts but the engine is sitting about 1/2" too
far back for the bolts to go through the mount into the block.
i don't seem to be able to budge it and there isn't and easy place to
insert a bottle jack between the engine and the frame.

thanks!

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Wed Apr  9 11:38:47 2008
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:38:47 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] engine mount alignment
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EEC7@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

Make sure you have the mounts each on the proper side. If they're the
good ones, then there will be about 1/2" difference between the
front/back alignment depending on which mount you have on which side.
The engine is supposed to be in the more-rearward position.

Other tips for aligning the mounts (or, for that matter, aligning
anything in the engine bay) involve language that is not appropriate for
this mailing list...
Theo

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Owain Lloyd
Sent: April 9, 2008 11:35 AM
To: Tiger List
Subject: [Tigers] engine mount alignment

does anyone have any tricks for getting the engine into the right
place to bolt up the mounts?

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 11:47:58 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:47:58 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] engine mount alignment
In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EEC7@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EEC7@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b0804091047k34b68d16j21f92ad0a635e59d@mail.gmail.com>

yes, they're the right way around.

the old mounts had oval holes which were more forgiving and I suppose
there is a little tension in the drivetrain as I had similar issues
changing the rear springs and had to jack the axle backwards.

On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:
> Make sure you have the mounts each on the proper side. If they're the
>  good ones, then there will be about 1/2" difference between the
>  front/back alignment depending on which mount you have on which side.
>  The engine is supposed to be in the more-rearward position.
>
>  Other tips for aligning the mounts (or, for that matter, aligning
>  anything in the engine bay) involve language that is not appropriate for
>  this mailing list...
>  Theo
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net
>  [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On
>  Behalf Of Owain Lloyd
>  Sent: April 9, 2008 11:35 AM
>  To: Tiger List
>  Subject: [Tigers] engine mount alignment
>
>  does anyone have any tricks for getting the engine into the right
>  place to bolt up the mounts?

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Wed Apr  9 11:50:11 2008
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 11:50:11 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] engine mount alignment
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EEC8@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

In that case, the transmission mount is slotted, so that it will
accommodate some fore/aft adjustment of the engine/transmission
assembly. Try loosening off the nuts that hold the transmission mount
rubber isolator to the trans mount crossmember.

Good luck,
Theo

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Owain Lloyd
Sent: April 9, 2008 11:48 AM
To: Smit, Theo
Cc: Tiger List
Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine mount alignment

yes, they're the right way around.

the old mounts had oval holes which were more forgiving and I suppose
there is a little tension in the drivetrain as I had similar issues
changing the rear springs and had to jack the axle backwards.

On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
wrote:
> Make sure you have the mounts each on the proper side. If they're the
>  good ones, then there will be about 1/2" difference between the
>  front/back alignment depending on which mount you have on which side.
>  The engine is supposed to be in the more-rearward position.
>
>  Other tips for aligning the mounts (or, for that matter, aligning
>  anything in the engine bay) involve language that is not appropriate
for
>  this mailing list...
>  Theo
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net
>  [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On
>  Behalf Of Owain Lloyd
>  Sent: April 9, 2008 11:35 AM
>  To: Tiger List
>  Subject: [Tigers] engine mount alignment
>
>  does anyone have any tricks for getting the engine into the right
>  place to bolt up the mounts?
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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 11:52:51 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:52:51 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] engine mount alignment
In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EEC8@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EEC8@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b0804091052g1bc44ce8ue1caf2cf99b7195a@mail.gmail.com>

good idea.  i'll give that a go.  thanks.

On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:
> In that case, the transmission mount is slotted, so that it will
>  accommodate some fore/aft adjustment of the engine/transmission
>  assembly. Try loosening off the nuts that hold the transmission mount
>  rubber isolator to the trans mount crossmember.
>
>  Good luck,
>
> Theo
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net
>  [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On
>  Behalf Of Owain Lloyd
>
>
> Sent: April 9, 2008 11:48 AM
>  To: Smit, Theo
>  Cc: Tiger List
>  Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine mount alignment
>
>  yes, they're the right way around.
>
>  the old mounts had oval holes which were more forgiving and I suppose
>  there is a little tension in the drivetrain as I had similar issues
>  changing the rear springs and had to jack the axle backwards.
>
>  On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
>  wrote:
>  > Make sure you have the mounts each on the proper side. If they're the
>  >  good ones, then there will be about 1/2" difference between the
>  >  front/back alignment depending on which mount you have on which side.
>  >  The engine is supposed to be in the more-rearward position.
>  >
>  >  Other tips for aligning the mounts (or, for that matter, aligning
>  >  anything in the engine bay) involve language that is not appropriate
>  for
>  >  this mailing list...
>  >  Theo
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  -----Original Message-----
>  >  From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net
>  >  [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On
>  >  Behalf Of Owain Lloyd
>  >  Sent: April 9, 2008 11:35 AM
>  >  To: Tiger List
>  >  Subject: [Tigers] engine mount alignment
>  >
>  >  does anyone have any tricks for getting the engine into the right
>  >  place to bolt up the mounts?
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From un-cole-a at juno.com  Wed Apr  9 11:54:36 2008
From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 17:54:36 GMT
Subject: [Tigers] Washer pump
Message-ID: <20080409.135436.607.1@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>

I read in the BON that one of the stock options for Tigers and Alpines was an
"Electric Windshield Washer Pump". Has anyone seen one of these? Does anyone
have one of these pumps. It looked like it had a glass fluid bottle, just
wondering where and how they were hooked -up.
Tim

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From max348 at comcast.net  Wed Apr  9 11:57:28 2008
From: max348 at comcast.net (R Smith)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 13:57:28 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] engine mount alignment
References: <39a841b0804091034w3d47437ejdcd3748ad96c93b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c89a6b$2d4bce20$9c5a7d18@maxh5p0k3wk247>

Did you tighten the mounts yet? If so, by loosening them some, it will allow 
you a bit of "wiggle" room.  Also -  consider loosening the 3-bolts that 
pass through the inner-fenders into the mounting bracket a little as well.

In addition, make sure you don't have the mounts backwards... That can 
reposition the motor some.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Owain Lloyd" <owain.lloyd at gmail.com>
To: "Tiger List" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 1:34 PM
Subject: [Tigers] engine mount alignment


> does anyone have any tricks for getting the engine into the right
> place to bolt up the mounts?
>
> i've just changed the mounts but the engine is sitting about 1/2" too
> far back for the bolts to go through the mount into the block.
> i don't seem to be able to budge it and there isn't and easy place to
> insert a bottle jack between the engine and the frame.
>
> thanks!

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Wed Apr  9 11:59:34 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:59:34 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] engine mount alignment
In-Reply-To: <39a841b0804091052g1bc44ce8ue1caf2cf99b7195a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EEC8@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
	<39a841b0804091052g1bc44ce8ue1caf2cf99b7195a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b0804091059x5badd2efp598657701e5aa1f2@mail.gmail.com>

actually, are you sure it should be in the rearward position?  i put
the one marked 'L' (by SS) in the left side and it matched the one i
removed but it has the engine in the more forward position.  i think
it would be more that half an inch difference too.

On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com> wrote:
> good idea.  i'll give that a go.  thanks.
>
>
>
>  On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:
>  > In that case, the transmission mount is slotted, so that it will
>  >  accommodate some fore/aft adjustment of the engine/transmission
>  >  assembly. Try loosening off the nuts that hold the transmission mount
>  >  rubber isolator to the trans mount crossmember.
>  >
>  >  Good luck,
>  >
>  > Theo
>  >
>  >  -----Original Message-----
>  >  From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net
>  >  [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On
>  >  Behalf Of Owain Lloyd
>  >
>  >
>  > Sent: April 9, 2008 11:48 AM
>  >  To: Smit, Theo
>  >  Cc: Tiger List
>  >  Subject: Re: [Tigers] engine mount alignment
>  >
>  >  yes, they're the right way around.
>  >
>  >  the old mounts had oval holes which were more forgiving and I suppose
>  >  there is a little tension in the drivetrain as I had similar issues
>  >  changing the rear springs and had to jack the axle backwards.
>  >
>  >  On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
>  >  wrote:
>  >  > Make sure you have the mounts each on the proper side. If they're the
>  >  >  good ones, then there will be about 1/2" difference between the
>  >  >  front/back alignment depending on which mount you have on which side.
>  >  >  The engine is supposed to be in the more-rearward position.
>  >  >
>  >  >  Other tips for aligning the mounts (or, for that matter, aligning
>  >  >  anything in the engine bay) involve language that is not appropriate
>  >  for
>  >  >  this mailing list...
>  >  >  Theo
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  -----Original Message-----
>  >  >  From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net
>  >  >  [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On
>  >  >  Behalf Of Owain Lloyd
>  >  >  Sent: April 9, 2008 11:35 AM
>  >  >  To: Tiger List
>  >  >  Subject: [Tigers] engine mount alignment
>  >  >
>  >  >  does anyone have any tricks for getting the engine into the right
>  >  >  place to bolt up the mounts?
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Wed Apr  9 13:56:32 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:56:32 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Bad News...
Message-ID: <47FD1F70.1050202@mayfco.com>

Not to dance around it, my wife and I will not make it to the Tigers 
United this year. Bummer. The Bonneville car is not ready for the 
summers activities at Bonneville, the Tiger is not out of the paint 
shop, we have an unexpected family reunion in Texas in June that we 
really need to attend,  and Cathy has some elective surgery she needs to 
have done.  I know there were a number of you coming to the TU to see 
the car, but somehow I will make it up to you. Yeah, I know that the TU 
is still about 10 weeks away, but I wont be able to afford the time or 
the expense.

So...I am sorry. I thank those who invited me to come because it was 
going to be a hoot for me. But just not gonna happen this year. But the 
bright side is that there will be a pile of nifty race and race related 
vehciles to examine!

Ya'll have fun. I will be releasing teh room reservations today.

mayf

From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net  Wed Apr  9 17:00:25 2008
From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna)
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:00:25 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Bad News...
In-Reply-To: <47FD1F70.1050202@mayfco.com>
References: <47FD1F70.1050202@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <47FD4A89.1020303@cox.net>

Mayf:
I'm sorry--I was looking forward to seeing you and the B-ville car.
Best of luck with all the stuff you've got going on!

David


drmayf wrote:
> Not to dance around it, my wife and I will not make it to the Tigers 
> United this year. Bummer. The Bonneville car is not ready for the 
> summers activities at Bonneville, the Tiger is not out of the paint 
> shop, we have an unexpected family reunion in Texas in June that we 
> really need to attend,  and Cathy has some elective surgery she needs to 
> have done.  I know there were a number of you coming to the TU to see 
> the car, but somehow I will make it up to you. Yeah, I know that the TU 
> is still about 10 weeks away, but I wont be able to afford the time or 
> the expense.
>
> So...I am sorry. I thank those who invited me to come because it was 
> going to be a hoot for me. But just not gonna happen this year. But the 
> bright side is that there will be a pile of nifty race and race related 
> vehciles to examine!
>
> Ya'll have fun. I will be releasing teh room reservations today.
>
> mayf
> _______________________________________________

From tiger at missiongranite.com  Thu Apr 10 09:53:15 2008
From: tiger at missiongranite.com (Alan Zeni)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:53:15 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Removal
Message-ID: <017b01c89b22$fd39dc00$43f9d648@mgserver>

I've got everything disconnected from the motor/tranny and am ready to pull
the pair.  Unfortunately, I don't have the means to drop them out the bottom
so, according the the shop manual, I need to remove the steering rack.  Now,
looking in the engine bay, it looks as though that when I drop the rear of the
tranny, the damper pully will clear the rack easily.  Has anyone done this?
And, where are the suggested mount points for the chain?

Thanks in advance!

From mrlau at charter.net  Thu Apr 10 10:23:39 2008
From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:23:39 -0500
Subject: [Tigers]  Engine Removal
In-Reply-To: <017b01c89b22$fd39dc00$43f9d648@mgserver>
Message-ID: <20080410162358.HKWK11293.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark>

Alan, 
  If you have the height it is good to have one of the devices that transfer
the load from the front to the back so you can have better balance.  If you
don't have the height the best bet is to go across the top of the engine
with chain and a bolt in each head end.  That way you have shear strength
instead of pulling straight from the top.  If I remember all of the bolts in
the top are 5/16 and the head front and rears are 3/8 also.  It is harder to
control with the chain and it might require some strength to shift it on the
hook but often height limitations require you to do it this way.  I don't
think the standard engine crane will lift it high enough to get engine and
tranny at one time and those fenders keep looking at the back of the
transmission when it is tipped just waiting to make contact. Engine parts
love paint and the bigger they are the more they love it. Perhaps someone
else on the list has gotten away with it and can chime in. Another option is
to take both out partially and then disconnect the bell housing making sure
of course to put a jack under the transmission. This is the only way I have
ever done it because my garage is only 9' 2". I don't remember removing the
rack or taking the harmonic balancer off but it has been a while.  Even
taking the front of the engine off might be easier than removing the rack
and it has to come off anyway. -- Bill --

I've got everything disconnected from the motor/tranny and am ready to pull
the pair.  Unfortunately, I don't have the means to drop them out the bottom
so, according the the shop manual, I need to remove the steering rack.  Now,
looking in the engine bay, it looks as though that when I drop the rear of
the
tranny, the damper pully will clear the rack easily.  Has anyone done this?
And, where are the suggested mount points for the chain?

Thanks in advance!
_______________________________________________

From joness at wsu.edu  Thu Apr 10 11:38:12 2008
From: joness at wsu.edu (Stephen Jones)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:38:12 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] March Motor Sport
Message-ID: <000f01c89b31$a6786530$405d7986@cahe.ad.wsu.edu>

I have been searching for the March issue of Motor Sports.  Seems to be sold
out in the US according to the distributor.  I have however conversed with
the UK distributor and it is possible to order directly from him.

Here is his reply to my request:

Yes, the Tiger article is in the March issue. We have about 40 spare in the
office. The cost of each copy is #4.95 + p&p (#3.55 to the US)

Best

Will

will.delmont at chelseamagazines.com

If someone orders a batch we could probably save some on the postage.  Does
anyone want to volunteer to order a batch and then distribute from here, one
of the clubs possibly?  If so put me on the list for one.


Also the March issue of Classic and Sportscar there is a great interview
with Don Tarbun who was Chief Development Engineer for Rootes and played a
large role in the Tiger.

To quote from the STOC site  "He and his team must have driven those MKI
'AF' Tigers many thousands of miles between December 1963 and June 1964. He
does say though that his favourite Rootes vehicle was the one off Humber
Sceptre fitted with Chrysler's 4.4 litre V8 - "the best Q car ever on the
roads of Britain".


steve jones
B9470867

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat]

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Thu Apr 10 13:18:17 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:18:17 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Removal
In-Reply-To: <017b01c89b22$fd39dc00$43f9d648@mgserver>
References: <017b01c89b22$fd39dc00$43f9d648@mgserver>
Message-ID: <47FE67F9.8030005@SoCal.rr.com>

Alan, and Tigers,

There are resources available to you concerning the Tiger Maintenance on 
TigersUnited.com <http://www.TigersUnited.com/>. Specifically the 
Workshop Manual describes the factory recommended procedures for most 
any task.  On "Engine R&R" the applicable page is:

http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmB53.asp  Fig. 86. shows the 
recommended hoisting procedure (provided you have a Rootes Factory hook 
height :-( 

There are loads of Rootes info in this document, which is available from 
Sunbeam Specialties (and thanks to Rick for his reproduction permission.)

Steve

___
Steve Laifman
Editor - *TigersUnited.com <http://www.TigersUnited.com/>*



Alan Zeni wrote:
> I've got everything disconnected from the motor/tranny and am ready to pull
> the pair.  Unfortunately, I don't have the means to drop them out the bottom
> so, according the the shop manual, I need to remove the steering rack.  Now,
> looking in the engine bay, it looks as though that when I drop the rear of the
> tranny, the damper pully will clear the rack easily.  Has anyone done this?
> And, where are the suggested mount points for the chain?
>
> Thanks in advance!

From Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com  Thu Apr 10 14:07:11 2008
From: Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy))
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:07:11 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Engine removal
Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF0938068E@norn32.d30.intra>

Alan,

I pulled mine out the top with the trans attached. You need to remove
the water pump, lower crank pully and I used a winching strap wrapped
around the balancer and up over the crane arm. I had the chain through
either manifold bolts or with the carb lifting plate that bolts to the
intake. Tighten the strap to increase angle and loosen to decrease
angle. It worked awesome for me. I have picks for those that are
doubters that it can be done. I did NOT remove the rack or the exhaust
manifolds. For the install I had the headers laying in the bay and
dropped the engine back in with people holding each header.



Best Regards,

Tim Ronak
Services Consultant

Akzo Nobel Coatings
23961 Via El Rocio
Mission Viejo, CA 92691

Bus: 949-305-5393
Fax: 425-955-6268
Cell: 949-289-3357
email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com
Personal email: timronak at cox.net

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Thu Apr 10 14:14:46 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:14:46 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Removal
In-Reply-To: <47FE67F9.8030005@SoCal.rr.com>
References: <017b01c89b22$fd39dc00$43f9d648@mgserver>
	<47FE67F9.8030005@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b0804101314o6a8e8788sa21ac85ccca3c74c@mail.gmail.com>

wouldn't it be easier to remove the crossmember, jack-up/hang the body
and drop the engine/trans onto a sturdy crawler?

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Steve Laifman <SLaifman at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> Alan, and Tigers,
>
>  There are resources available to you concerning the Tiger Maintenance on
>  TigersUnited.com <http://www.TigersUnited.com/>. Specifically the
>  Workshop Manual describes the factory recommended procedures for most
>  any task.  On "Engine R&R" the applicable page is:
>
>  http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmB53.asp  Fig. 86. shows the
>  recommended hoisting procedure (provided you have a Rootes Factory hook
>  height :-(
>
>  There are loads of Rootes info in this document, which is available from
>  Sunbeam Specialties (and thanks to Rick for his reproduction permission.)
>
>  Steve
>
>  ___
>  Steve Laifman
>  Editor - *TigersUnited.com <http://www.TigersUnited.com/>*
>
>
>
>
>
>  Alan Zeni wrote:
>  > I've got everything disconnected from the motor/tranny and am ready to pull
>  > the pair.  Unfortunately, I don't have the means to drop them out the bottom
>  > so, according the the shop manual, I need to remove the steering rack.  Now,
>  > looking in the engine bay, it looks as though that when I drop the rear of the
>  > tranny, the damper pully will clear the rack easily.  Has anyone done this?
>  > And, where are the suggested mount points for the chain?
>  >
>  > Thanks in advance!
>  _______________________________________________
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From fordlandia at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr 10 14:40:17 2008
From: fordlandia at sbcglobal.net (Bill Waite)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:40:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Removal
In-Reply-To: <39a841b0804101314o6a8e8788sa21ac85ccca3c74c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <668584.87136.qm@web82704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I've pulled and reinstalled engines in Tigers on two separate occasions.  Both times I dropped the crossmember , hoisted body up and lowered engine in the manner Owain has suggested.  Never an issue... installed with headers attached in same manner.  Tight (like everything on a Tiger) but very do-able.  In fact, did it both times solo (although it would have been nice to have help at times).
   
  Bill Waite
  Grand Rapids, MI

Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com> wrote:
  wouldn't it be easier to remove the crossmember, jack-up/hang the body
and drop the engine/trans onto a sturdy crawler?

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Steve Laifman wrote:
> Alan, and Tigers,
>
> There are resources available to you concerning the Tiger Maintenance on
> TigersUnited.com . Specifically the
> Workshop Manual describes the factory recommended procedures for most
> any task. On "Engine R&R" the applicable page is:
>
> http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmB53.asp Fig. 86. shows the
> recommended hoisting procedure (provided you have a Rootes Factory hook
> height :-(
>
> There are loads of Rootes info in this document, which is available from
> Sunbeam Specialties (and thanks to Rick for his reproduction permission.)
>
> Steve
>
> ___
> Steve Laifman
> Editor - *TigersUnited.com *
>
>
>
>
>
> Alan Zeni wrote:
> > I've got everything disconnected from the motor/tranny and am ready to pull
> > the pair. Unfortunately, I don't have the means to drop them out the bottom
> > so, according the the shop manual, I need to remove the steering rack. Now,
> > looking in the engine bay, it looks as though that when I drop the rear of the
> > tranny, the damper pully will clear the rack easily. Has anyone done this?
> > And, where are the suggested mount points for the chain?
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
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From joness at wsu.edu  Thu Apr 10 16:21:08 2008
From: joness at wsu.edu (Stephen Jones)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:21:08 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] March Motor Sport II
Message-ID: <000501c89b59$2cfecd70$405d7986@cahe.ad.wsu.edu>

I guess it is still at Borders, that is certainly easier. 

steve jones
B9470867

From bamcnulty at optonline.net  Thu Apr 10 18:48:06 2008
From: bamcnulty at optonline.net (Tony McNulty)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:48:06 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Removal
References: <017b01c89b22$fd39dc00$43f9d648@mgserver>
	<47FE67F9.8030005@SoCal.rr.com>
	<39a841b0804101314o6a8e8788sa21ac85ccca3c74c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002601c89b6d$b5132350$0200a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>

I believe that's the way I'm going to do it -- taking the engine and tranny 
out is one thing, with a ding here and there, but putting it all back after 
having spent a King's ransom on preparation and painting seems a bit scary. 
I'll go from the bottom, as I feel that it's easier to control.  I have a 
hydraulic engine lift, but will invent a way to use it to lift the body up.

If anyone's done this before, I'd appreciate any advice/comment.

Tony M.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Owain Lloyd" <owain.lloyd at gmail.com>
To: "Steve Laifman" <SLaifman at socal.rr.com>
Cc: "tiger" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Removal


> wouldn't it be easier to remove the crossmember, jack-up/hang the body
> and drop the engine/trans onto a sturdy crawler?
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Steve Laifman <SLaifman at socal.rr.com> 
> wrote:
>> Alan, and Tigers,
>>
>>  There are resources available to you concerning the Tiger Maintenance on
>>  TigersUnited.com <http://www.TigersUnited.com/>. Specifically the
>>  Workshop Manual describes the factory recommended procedures for most
>>  any task.  On "Engine R&R" the applicable page is:
>>
>>  http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/wsm/wsmB53.asp  Fig. 86. shows the
>>  recommended hoisting procedure (provided you have a Rootes Factory hook
>>  height :-(
>>
>>  There are loads of Rootes info in this document, which is available from
>>  Sunbeam Specialties (and thanks to Rick for his reproduction 
>> permission.)
>>
>>  Steve
>>
>>  ___
>>  Steve Laifman
>>  Editor - *TigersUnited.com <http://www.TigersUnited.com/>*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Alan Zeni wrote:
>>  > I've got everything disconnected from the motor/tranny and am ready to 
>> pull
>>  > the pair.  Unfortunately, I don't have the means to drop them out the 
>> bottom
>>  > so, according the the shop manual, I need to remove the steering rack. 
>> Now,
>>  > looking in the engine bay, it looks as though that when I drop the 
>> rear of the
>>  > tranny, the damper pully will clear the rack easily.  Has anyone done 
>> this?
>>  > And, where are the suggested mount points for the chain?
>>  >
>>  > Thanks in advance!
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
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From tsmit at shaw.ca  Thu Apr 10 22:53:14 2008
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:53:14 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Removal
In-Reply-To: <002601c89b6d$b5132350$0200a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>
References: <017b01c89b22$fd39dc00$43f9d648@mgserver>
	<47FE67F9.8030005@SoCal.rr.com>
	<39a841b0804101314o6a8e8788sa21ac85ccca3c74c@mail.gmail.com>
	<002601c89b6d$b5132350$0200a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>
Message-ID: <47FEEEBA.8050705@shaw.ca>

After I'd got the engine sitting on the floor,while removing it, I found 
I needed to raise the body higher to get the engine out from under the 
body. I put a chain between two of the crossmember bolts,on opposite 
frame rails, and used that to pick up the body using the engine hoist. 
You have to be careful that the load isn't too heavy in that situation 
or you could pull the frame rails together inadvertently.

Theo

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 11 00:33:49 2008
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:33:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] engine lif aid- from Theo months back
Message-ID: <832063.21889.qm@web30304.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

http://carshop.carshopinc.com/product_info.php/products_id/59231/CSELP
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com 

From harryb at elams.org  Fri Apr 11 04:34:17 2008
From: harryb at elams.org (Harry Elam)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:34:17 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine remeoval/reinstallation
Message-ID: <47FF3EA9.7040800@elams.org>

Alan,
I have always dropped the engine and transmission out of the bottom. So 
I have always had the front crossmember off during reinstallation. It 
has worked fine for 29 years and about 6 removal/re-installation cycles 
on two Tigers. So, Yes! moving or loosening the rack will  definitely help.

Harry Elam
B382000471

From shutchin at netjets.com  Fri Apr 11 07:50:04 2008
From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 09:50:04 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Removal
Message-ID: <E923BF0D7326E745804634650F439C5B96EFAA@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>

Get a towing strap...

Loop it around the firewall braces...

Lift the front of the car once you have unbolted the engine etc...

Somewhere there was a step by step for this. Don't remember where though. 

Best advice I got was to take pictures of everything before doing it and at a couple of steps along the way. 

Have fun..... ;)

It's really not that bad. 

When you put the crossmember back on remember to jack the engine slightly to un load the frame rails. I couldn't get the third bolt for the crossmember into place no matter what I did. Figured there was something wrong with the car. I asked on the list and bingo....


Scott Hutchinson
Director of Operations
Netjets Large Aircraft

Office 860.292.1191
Mobile 843.290.2805

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From e.coiner at cox.net  Fri Apr 11 09:16:17 2008
From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:16:17 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Removal
In-Reply-To: <E923BF0D7326E745804634650F439C5B96EFAA@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>
Message-ID: <20080411111617.F2NDM.65974.imail@fed1rmwml12>

---- Scott Hutchinson <shutchin at netjets.com> wrote: 
> Get a towing strap...
> 
> Loop it around the firewall braces...

+1 on this appproach.
>
> When you put the crossmember back on remember to jack the engine slightly to un load the frame rails. I couldn't get the third bolt for the crossmember into place no matter what I did. Figured there was something wrong with the car. I asked on the list and bingo....

I used one of those hydraulic porta power pushers that you can get ridiculously cheap at Harbor freight.  I placed it between the frame rails in front of the engine and spread just a wee bit.  Bolts went right in.

From brichards at fineeyes.com  Fri Apr 11 11:48:39 2008
From: brichards at fineeyes.com (Bruce)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:48:39 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] interesting site
Message-ID: <001501c89bfc$4b03c020$d24595d0@D3FDRK91>

I came across this website while surfing this morning.  There are a couple
of tigers for sale on it.

 

http://www.carsbikesboats.com/inventory.cfml?type2=Cars%20and%20Trucks

 

 

just wanted to pass this along.

 

Bruce

B9470147

From un-cole-a at juno.com  Fri Apr 11 12:07:31 2008
From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:07:31 GMT
Subject: [Tigers] interesting site
Message-ID: <20080411.140731.22692.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>

I think that red 65 that is all disassembled was just recently on E Bay.
But would you pay $5995 for it??


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From brockctella at juno.com  Fri Apr 11 12:25:06 2008
From: brockctella at juno.com (Brock Tella)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:25:06 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum pin bolts
Message-ID: <20080411.112507.2876.23.BrockCTella@juno.com>

I found one of the 3 inch bolts that secure the front suspension
stripped. My first thought is to find a new one and see if the bolt is
the problem. If not do I retap the outer welded nut? Is there more inside
that you can't get to(the suspension arm is sealed).? Thanks for any
advice.

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Fri Apr 11 12:40:06 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:40:06 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] interesting site
In-Reply-To: <001501c89bfc$4b03c020$d24595d0@D3FDRK91>
References: <001501c89bfc$4b03c020$d24595d0@D3FDRK91>
Message-ID: <47FFB086.9040106@SoCal.rr.com>

"So,

I bought this farm at an auction.  It had two large barns with the doors 
welded shut.  After purchase I used a metal saw to cut through the 
locks, and when I entered the barns I found these GREAT tractors, and a 
number of old cars and motorcycles I don't know what to do with 
..........."   ;-) 

Steve
(B9472_*289*_)

*TAC _289_ *  (The ONLY Factory Original "_*289*_" Tiger Mk I. ;-)  )

___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com



Bruce wrote:
> I came across this website while surfing this morning.  There are a couple
> of tigers for sale on it.
>
>  
> http://www.carsbikesboats.com/inventory.cfml?type2=Cars%20and%20Trucks
>  
>
>
> just wanted to pass this along.
>
>  
>
> Bruce
>
> B9470147
> _______________________________________________

From pmuss at aol.com  Fri Apr 11 13:21:50 2008
From: pmuss at aol.com (pmuss at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:21:50 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] radoi
Message-ID: <8CA6A206D61793E-1634-2058@webmail-nb17.sysops.aol.com>

can anyone tell me who makes a reproduction radio mount for under the dash of a Alpine/Tiger. I was told someone has them for around $40. I believe he is on the list. please help.

From mmichels at socal.rr.com  Fri Apr 11 16:23:27 2008
From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (mmichels at socal.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:23:27 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] radoi
Message-ID: <32770624.1334191207952607513.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web16-z02>

I'm not aware of anything that exactly reproduces the original radio console, and I think it was a dealer add-on, not very substantially made. I checked around and didn't find anything so I'm currently installing a universal under dash radio housing that's commonly available from Fry's and Crutchfield. It just holds the radio, and doesn't extend to the transmission tunnel nor does it have a speaker like the original arrangement. It's unobtrusive and compatible with old and new radio types. 


---- pmuss at aol.com wrote: 
> can anyone tell me who makes a reproduction radio mount for under the dash of a Alpine/Tiger. I was told someone has them for around $40. I believe he is on the list. please help.
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From DJoh797014 at aol.com  Fri Apr 11 16:44:32 2008
From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:44:32 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum pin bolts
Message-ID: <c71.2c1770ea.353143d0@aol.com>

The usual cause of stripping the bolt is what I've advised about  before.
three of the 4 crossmember bolts usually go in OK but the 4th is
just off enough to not go or strip when it goes in at a slight angle.
The three bolts that go in should not be snugged down to allow
for movement.
The weight of the engine spreads the frame rail.  Put a 2x6 or
such under the oil and jack slightly to lift the engine a little.
Now the bolt will go in correctly  With a light you can actually 
watch the bolt and hole line up.. Don't crush your oil pan.
 
The bolts are grade 8 NF available from you local CAT or Deere
dealer.  Don't use a cheap bolt.
 
Once all 4 are in then torque to specs.
 
Dave
 
 
In a message dated 4/11/2008 1:27:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
brockctella at juno.com writes:

I found  one of the 3 inch bolts that secure the front suspension
stripped. My first  thought is to find a new one and see if the bolt is
the problem. If not do  I retap the outer welded nut? Is there more inside
that you can't get  to(the suspension arm is sealed).? Thanks for  any
advice.
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From CoolVT at aol.com  Fri Apr 11 17:06:18 2008
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:06:18 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum pin bolts
Message-ID: <cdf.29c69a46.353148ea@aol.com>

Dave,
Not sure you and he are talking about the same bolts. I think his  subject 
was labeled "fulcrum pin bolts."  I think he could be talking about  the bolts 
that attach the fulcrum pin to the crossmember.  
If so, I don't believe that there is more thread inside of the  crossmember.  
I'm pretty sure this subject has come up before. Search the  archives of this 
list for some comments. If there is nothing there I'm sure  some member can 
give good advice on either retaping to a larger size or  using a helicoil.




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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Fri Apr 11 17:36:54 2008
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:36:54 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum pin bolts
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EEDC@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

The fulcrum pin bolts are screwed into nut plates that are welded to the
inside of the crossmember. On mine one of the nut plates broke loose; I
drilled a 1/2" hole in the adjacent vertical edge of the crossmember,
which exposed a tang of the nut plate. I used some short fasteners to
hold the nut plate in position, and then rosette welded the plate back
to the crossmember. You could fabricate a new nut plate out of a piece
of steel and some quality 3/8 fine nuts, and then replace the original
nut plate...

Theo

From DJoh797014 at aol.com  Fri Apr 11 18:23:25 2008
From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:23:25 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum pin bolts
Message-ID: <cdc.27704a8c.35315afd@aol.com>

I stand corrected.  What I said goes for the four bolts that hold  the
cross member itself to the frame.
 
If you are talking about the smaller bolts that hold the fulcrum pin  to
the cross member, dont fool around.  They are all that attaches the  lower
A-arm to the car. These bolts have been known to sheer off when
backing up and turning.
 
I urge you to install John Logan's fulcrum pin fix.  It removes  that
stress on these bolts and provides a much needed safety backup
against catestrophic damage when and I mean WHEN the fulcrum
pin fails.  Everyone's fulcrum will fail, no matter what it is made  of, and
will fail without notice.
 
I sent a copy of his fic to all who asked over a year ago.  If you  need
a copy drop me a note.
 
Dave
 
 
In a message dated 4/11/2008 6:05:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
CoolVT at aol.com writes:

Dave,
Not sure you and he are talking about the same bolts. I think  his  subject 
was labeled "fulcrum pin bolts."  I think he could  be talking about  the 
bolts 
that attach the fulcrum pin to the  crossmember.  
If so, I don't believe that there is more thread inside  of the  crossmember. 
 
I'm pretty sure this subject has come up  before. Search the  archives of 
this 
list for some comments. If there  is nothing there I'm sure  some member can 
give good advice on either  retaping to a larger size or  using a  helicoil.




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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Sat Apr 12 11:53:19 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:53:19 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] radoi
In-Reply-To: <32770624.1334191207952607513.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web16-z02>
References: <32770624.1334191207952607513.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web16-z02>
Message-ID: <4800F70F.7010803@SoCal.rr.com>

Mike has a very workable solution to the "radio" issue.

Tod Brown has a very good illustrated article on it on 
TigersUnited.com.  It also hows my installation, and the speaker 
installation(s).

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tb-radio/BrownRadio.asp

___
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Editor - TigersUnited.com



mmichels at socal.rr.com wrote:
> I'm not aware of anything that exactly reproduces the original radio console, and I think it was a dealer add-on, not very substantially made. I checked around and didn't find anything so I'm currently installing a universal under dash radio housing that's commonly available from Fry's and Crutchfield. It just holds the radio, and doesn't extend to the transmission tunnel nor does it have a speaker like the original arrangement. It's unobtrusive and compatible with old and new radio types. 
>
>
> ---- pmuss at aol.com wrote: 
>   
>> can anyone tell me who makes a reproduction radio mount for under the dash of a Alpine/Tiger. I was told someone has them for around $40. I believe he is on the list. please help.

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Sat Apr 12 12:06:47 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:06:47 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum Pins and Content Search
Message-ID: <4800FA37.1090805@SoCal.rr.com>

Yeah,

It's me again, with the same old suggestion.  Check out your query on 
TigersUnited.com "Search Engine" (the magnifying glass at the top of the 
page with "SEARCH" under it)

A quick test of the words "fulcrum pin" (with quote marks) yields a 
great number of site discussions, and articles.

Another good content describers is in the hot linked bottom menu, and a 
good source of articles can be found on:

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/club_tips.asp

for pleasant reading.

Sure, I know it is easy to poll the list, but a little "homework" might 
allow your inquiries to be more precise.

Steve

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From DJoh797014 at aol.com  Sat Apr 12 12:22:39 2008
From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:22:39 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Fulcrum pin bolts
Message-ID: <bbf.296d6bc4.353257ef@aol.com>

I broke one of those too. Broke the stock pin 7 years earlier.   Switched
to Doug's pin and delron bushings The right pin broke, my son lost all  
steering, 
hit and rolled an Explorer, bounced off and hit a light pole dead  center.  
Noone
go hurt but the car really took a beating. That's why my car is not on the  
road.
 
What do I think of Doug's pins?  I'm putting a new set of his
back in.  They are the best available.  John Logan's fix is  the
way to go.
 
As to the mounting bolts, Gary Ballard broke his while nacking
out of McD's on the way to SUNI in Aspen.  10 minutes later he
would have been on a twisty road in the mountains.
 
DAve
 
 
In a message dated 4/11/2008 8:51:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
65tiger at comcast.net writes:

I've  never heard of the mounting bolts sheering.  

It is always the  fulcrum pin failing.  
You are right, the fulcrum pin can and will  break.
Doug Jennings makes replacement fulcrum pins.  

Curtis

-------------- Original message  ----------------------
From: DJoh797014 at aol.com

> If you are  talking about the smaller bolts that hold the fulcrum pin  to
> the  cross member, dont fool around.  They are all that attaches the   lower
> A-arm to the car. These bolts have been known to sheer off  when
> backing up and turning.
>   
>





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From KJENSSEN at aol.com  Sat Apr 12 15:14:18 2008
From: KJENSSEN at aol.com (KJENSSEN at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:14:18 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] radio
Message-ID: <d6b.2431d6e6.3532802a@aol.com>

Hello,
 
I believe Rob Martel was at one time making a replica radio console  and 
speaker enclosure. It has been a year  since I last communicated  him.  I received 
the benefit of his services and metal  work during the repair of my Tiger. 
 
His shipping and delivery is not what I would  regard as prompt or timely. 
Sometimes he can be a bit difficult.  

However his craftsmanship is very good.  
 
 I do not have a current phone number, his email is / was  
_robmartel at hotmail.com_ (mailto:robmartel at hotmail.com)  
 
Kirt Jenssen
Chicago
B9473199
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From KJENSSEN at aol.com  Sat Apr 12 16:28:15 2008
From: KJENSSEN at aol.com (KJENSSEN at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:28:15 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Please do not shoot the messenger.
Message-ID: <bd7.2ca70e03.3532917f@aol.com>

Fellow Sunbeam enthusiasts:
 
Please do not shoot the messenger............I was  only trying to pass on 
information to a request posted on the autox list. 
 
I have already received several direct email  replies with some interesting 
commentary regarding Rob Martel.
 
I have no  relationship -  financial or otherwise with Rob  Martel. 
 
 
My reply was an attempt to be  "politically correct" in a public  forum.  
 
CAVEAT  EMPTOR   


 
AGAIN..............Please do not shoot the  messenger....
 





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From mgman71 at comcast.net  Sat Apr 12 17:59:58 2008
From: mgman71 at comcast.net (george)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 19:59:58 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Bore size?
Message-ID: <003d01c89cf9$51708ee0$0201a8c0@homeqp0ya3bbsv>

Would anyone know what the bore size is for a MK1 master cylinder and clutch
master?

Thanks
George Re
B9471055

From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 13 11:27:34 2008
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 13:27:34 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Engine Removal
References: <E923BF0D7326E745804634650F439C5B96EFAA@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>
Message-ID: <004601c89d8b$abe05580$6501a8c0@PETERHOME>

i did scott's approach, not bad at all, see pic

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/peter212/IMG_0035.jpg


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Hutchinson" <shutchin at netjets.com>
To: <bamcnulty at optonline.net>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine Removal


> Get a towing strap...
>
> Loop it around the firewall braces...
>
> Lift the front of the car once you have unbolted the engine etc...
>
> Somewhere there was a step by step for this. Don't remember where though.
>
> Best advice I got was to take pictures of everything before doing it and 
> at a couple of steps along the way.
>
> Have fun..... ;)
>
> It's really not that bad.
>
> When you put the crossmember back on remember to jack the engine slightly 
> to un load the frame rails. I couldn't get the third bolt for the 
> crossmember into place no matter what I did. Figured there was something 
> wrong with the car. I asked on the list and bingo....

From rjw at wengco.com  Mon Apr 14 05:03:11 2008
From: rjw at wengco.com (Robert J. Wanty)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:03:11 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Headlights
Message-ID: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C57DD5DE@weco1.wengco.com>

The guy I bought my 66 Tiger from 5 years ago included Carello headlights he
said that these were the original that came with the car and that they are
illegal in the states, does anyone know if he was he blowing smoke? They are
currently on the car and work great.



Bob

B382001318






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From wsteinman at pogolaw.com  Mon Apr 14 07:40:18 2008
From: wsteinman at pogolaw.com (Steinman, Bill)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:40:18 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger 1 rear shelf padding
Message-ID: <82A974D0BA5A5E4C85412B56F8C0D4B206D9B3@US-EXCH-VS02.US.PGFM.NET>

Howdy all:

I just purchased the "rear seat" padding for the shelf behind the seats.   I see that it gets snaps on each side next to the wheel arches, and then snaps on the vertical surface behind the driver and passanger seats.  My tiger also has a single male snap on the right hand side of the differential hump.  Does the padding get a female snap there as well?  Does anyone have a photo of their rear padding installed?

Thanks so much!

Bill S.  

1965 Tiger 9470311 LRFXE




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From: wsteinman at pogolaw.com (Steinman, Bill)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:19:15 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Rear padding redux
Message-ID: <82A974D0BA5A5E4C85412B56F8C0D4B206D9B4@US-EXCH-VS02.US.PGFM.NET>

Hi all:

Sorry for the second email.  Just to clarify, the single snap on the left hand side of the differential hump is on the horizontal surface where the "rear seat" padding sits.   It's just about half way between the snaps that go on either end of the horizontal surface of the pad, but seems to be offset to one side because of the small bump on the horizontal surface for the differential. Thanks!




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From stubrennan at comcast.net  Mon Apr 14 09:26:50 2008
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:26:50 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Headlights
In-Reply-To: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C57DD5DE@weco1.wengco.com>
Message-ID: <000001c89e43$f6fe0860$6601a8c0@Brennan>

When I got my Tiger, when it was 10 years old, it still had a Lucas
sealed beam headlight in it.  Just like the cruddy sealed beams that
were the only thing legal back in the day.  Someone, the dealer or the
first owner, may have tossed the Carellos on yours, but I doubt they
were "stock", unless your car was first delivered in Europe.

Back in the day, I put similar H4 headlights in everything I drove.
Great! Now that US legal light are better, I use those on the Tiger.
They don't rust out, like the H4 ones eventually do (in the salt belt,
anyway).

Stu 

From larryall at pacbell.net  Mon Apr 14 11:06:42 2008
From: larryall at pacbell.net (Larry Allbritton)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:06:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Panel Switch
Message-ID: <544874.93853.qm@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My panel switch has been getting less reliable over the last couple of years and now it does not work at all.  I checked SS but they don't sell them.  
  Anyone have any suggestions for replacement of this switch?
   
  Thanks in advance.
   
  Larry  B9472723

From garywinblad at comcast.net  Mon Apr 14 11:33:16 2008
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:33:16 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Panel Switch
Message-ID: <041420081733.3749.4803955C0008758900000EA522155934140B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net>

You mean the "Dim" and "Dimmer" switch?
You might be able to take it out and clean it with contact cleaner.  If its the dim position that is the
problem there is a carbon block snapped into some holders on the side, maybe it slipped out.
All else fails, bypass it so the lights are on max (too Dim) all the time.
Gary

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Larry Allbritton <larryall at pacbell.net>
> My panel switch has been getting less reliable over the last couple of years and 
> now it does not work at all.  I checked SS but they don't sell them.  
>   Anyone have any suggestions for replacement of this switch?
>    
>   Thanks in advance.
>    
>   Larry  B9472723

From strombecker at telus.net  Mon Apr 14 16:36:43 2008
From: strombecker at telus.net (TM)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:36:43 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Dashpad
Message-ID: <001a01c89e80$04f6ba20$667ba8c0@your55e5f9e3d2>

I am going to be installing a new SS dashpad, and was wondering if anybody has
any advice or tips on installing these pads.  Any information would be
helpfull.

Thanks Terry
strombecker at telus.net
B9471362

From mgman71 at comcast.net  Mon Apr 14 17:34:21 2008
From: mgman71 at comcast.net (George Re)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:34:21 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Subaru Master cylinder
Message-ID: <006a01c89e88$1312f710$0201a8c0@homeqp0ya3bbsv>

Group:

has anyone used the Subaru 1600 master cylinder in placed for the Girling one?
If so what had to be changed  to make it work in the tige

George

From rande at thecia.net  Tue Apr 15 05:23:41 2008
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:23:41 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger / Alpine stock wheels
Message-ID: <4804903d.2016.0@thecia.net>

"
Please do NOT use Alpine wheels on a Tiger.  Although they may "fit", 
the center section stamping is thinner than the Tiger, and could fail 
under loads."

According to the January 1965 Sunbeam 260 parts catalog and the February 1965
Alpine catalog, the replacement part number for road wheels for all Tigers and
Alpine Series II(B910...) and later cars built after #7290 was the same (1214930)


This information is repeated for the June 1968 Rootes parts catalog that includes
both Alpines Series I - V and Tiger and Tiger II.

I wonder at what point the switch to using one wheel for Tiger and Alpine on
the actual assembly lines was made?

From Carmods at aol.com  Tue Apr 15 06:56:54 2008
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:56:54 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Panel Switch
Message-ID: <c8c.1d11be41.35360016@aol.com>

<<My panel switch has been getting less reliable >>
 
Larry,
Try spraying the switch with a relay or tuner cleaner and lubricant, If  they 
still sell it. That will sometimes work.
 
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Tue Apr 15 07:16:30 2008
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:16:30 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger / Alpine stock wheels
Message-ID: <041520081316.3523.4804AAAE0004925B00000DC322155517240B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net>

> I wonder at what point the switch to using one wheel for Tiger and Alpine on
> the actual assembly lines was made?


Who said it did?
I had a SV Alger and its wheels were definitely different (weaker around the lugs) than
my MKI Tiger.

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Tue Apr 15 11:52:50 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:52:50 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Alpine stock wheels
In-Reply-To: <4804903d.2016.0@thecia.net>
References: <4804903d.2016.0@thecia.net>
Message-ID: <4804EB72.1060808@SoCal.rr.com>

Rande,

My Sunbeam Parts List (Supplement to the Alpine Parts List, was an 
addition to the "Sunbeam Alpine" parts list for Dealers and Service 
Centers. 

"A brand new addition to our site, The *ORIGINAL* Rootes Parts List 
Supplement for the Sunbeam "260", 2nd Issue, January, 1965."

It was intended to list parts that are unique to the Tiger (260), and an 
addendum to the Alpine Parts List.
It does list the road wheels as:

Rootes Part Number 1214930 

See http://www.tigersunited.com/resources/parts_rs260/FactParts.asp

I do not have the Alpine parts list, so cannot verify if it lists the 
same number.

Steve
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rande wrote:
> "
> Please do NOT use Alpine wheels on a Tiger.  Although they may "fit", 
> the center section stamping is thinner than the Tiger, and could fail 
> under loads."
>
> According to the January 1965 Sunbeam 260 parts catalog and the February 1965
> Alpine catalog, the replacement part number for road wheels for all Tigers and
> Alpine Series II(B910...) and later cars built after #7290 was the same (1214930)
>
>
> This information is repeated for the June 1968 Rootes parts catalog that includes
> both Alpines Series I - V and Tiger and Tiger II.
>
> I wonder at what point the switch to using one wheel for Tiger and Alpine on
> the actual assembly lines was made?

From marcsmall at comcast.net  Tue Apr 15 12:59:29 2008
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:59:29 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Alpine stock wheels
In-Reply-To: <4804EB72.1060808@SoCal.rr.com>
References: <4804903d.2016.0@thecia.net> <4804EB72.1060808@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20080415195909.877EF18764D@autox.team.net>

At 01:52 PM 4/15/2008, Steve Laifman wrote:
 >
 >My Sunbeam Parts List (Supplement to the Alpine Parts List, was an
 >addition to the "Sunbeam Alpine" parts list for Dealers and Service
 >Centers.
 >
 >"A brand new addition to our site, The *ORIGINAL* Rootes Parts List
 >Supplement for the Sunbeam "260", 2nd Issue, January, 1965."
 >
 >It was intended to list parts that are unique to the Tiger (260), and an
 >addendum to the Alpine Parts List.
 >It does list the road wheels as:
 >
 >Rootes Part Number 1214930
 >
 >I do not have the Alpine parts list, so cannot verify if it lists the
 >same number.


Folks

Alpine to B917290               1201200
Alpine from B917291             1210258, replaced by 1214930
(there is also 1201361, but I believe that this
was the knock-off wire wheels, though the parts list is ambiguous)

(source:  SUNBEAM ALPINE PARTS LIST SERIES I, II,
III, IV, & V, Revised, June, 1968, Rootes Publication 6600992))

Tiger                           1214930

(surce, PARTS LIST SUPPLEMENT FOR THE SUNBEAM
"260" AND "289", January, 1967, Rootes Publication 6601334)

So, the final answer seems to be that Alpne I and
early II used one road wheel but that all Alpines
from the later II's through the V and all Tigers
shared the same road wheel, 1214930.

It is possible that the original later II and on
road wheel, 1210258, was too weak for use on the
Tiger and that might explain the replacement by
1214930.  Or maybe Rootes was just consolidating their parts inventory.

Anyone want to disuss nave plates?  <he grins>

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
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From mark.rense at ge.com  Tue Apr 15 14:27:03 2008
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd))
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:27:03 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Headlights
In-Reply-To: <000001c89e43$f6fe0860$6601a8c0@Brennan>
References: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C57DD5DE@weco1.wengco.com>
	<000001c89e43$f6fe0860$6601a8c0@Brennan>
Message-ID: <F039BAF0D766724ABE5A33EEDB320E5A044FEE07@LOUMLVEM03.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Just want to remind the group about the GE Nighthawk high-output Sealed
Beam Headlamps I had a hand in bringing to the market place a few years
ago. They are a drop-in replacement, 30% brighter than a standard
Halogen (about 200% brighter than those old Lucas incandescents), yet
the low beam is only 35 watts. I run my headlights 100% in both my
Tigers as DRLs and no issues with either car's generator keeping up.

The correct lamp for our Tigers (and Alpines too) is the H6024NH GE
NIGHTHAWK(tm) H6024NH PAR56 (7") PC: 28153

They are sold on Amazon, by Wal-Mart and any auto parts store that
handles GE Lamps.

What's the down side? The lamp life has been diminished by 10% or so. A
fair price to pay for seeing better in the dark!

Bugz

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Stu Brennan
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:27 AM
To: 'Robert J. Wanty'; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlights

When I got my Tiger, when it was 10 years old, it still had a Lucas
sealed beam headlight in it.  Just like the cruddy sealed beams that
were the only thing legal back in the day.  Someone, the dealer or the
first owner, may have tossed the Carellos on yours, but I doubt they
were "stock", unless your car was first delivered in Europe.

Back in the day, I put similar H4 headlights in everything I drove.
Great! Now that US legal light are better, I use those on the Tiger.
They don't rust out, like the H4 ones eventually do (in the salt belt,
anyway).

Stu

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 14:42:51 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:42:51 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Headlights
In-Reply-To: <F039BAF0D766724ABE5A33EEDB320E5A044FEE07@LOUMLVEM03.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C57DD5DE@weco1.wengco.com>
	<000001c89e43$f6fe0860$6601a8c0@Brennan>
	<F039BAF0D766724ABE5A33EEDB320E5A044FEE07@LOUMLVEM03.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b0804151342k1354ed43r41926884c6df26c6@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,
How do they compare to xenon bulbs?  I switched from halogen to xenon
and they are certainly brighter.  Also the same power.

- owain



On 4/15/08, Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) <mark.rense at ge.com> wrote:
> Just want to remind the group about the GE Nighthawk high-output Sealed
> Beam Headlamps I had a hand in bringing to the market place a few years
> ago. They are a drop-in replacement, 30% brighter than a standard
> Halogen (about 200% brighter than those old Lucas incandescents), yet
> the low beam is only 35 watts. I run my headlights 100% in both my
> Tigers as DRLs and no issues with either car's generator keeping up.
>
> The correct lamp for our Tigers (and Alpines too) is the H6024NH GE
> NIGHTHAWK(tm) H6024NH PAR56 (7") PC: 28153
>
> They are sold on Amazon, by Wal-Mart and any auto parts store that
> handles GE Lamps.
>
> What's the down side? The lamp life has been diminished by 10% or so. A
> fair price to pay for seeing better in the dark!
>
> Bugz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
> Stu Brennan
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:27 AM
> To: 'Robert J. Wanty'; tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Headlights
>
> When I got my Tiger, when it was 10 years old, it still had a Lucas
> sealed beam headlight in it.  Just like the cruddy sealed beams that
> were the only thing legal back in the day.  Someone, the dealer or the
> first owner, may have tossed the Carellos on yours, but I doubt they
> were "stock", unless your car was first delivered in Europe.
>
> Back in the day, I put similar H4 headlights in everything I drove.
> Great! Now that US legal light are better, I use those on the Tiger.
> They don't rust out, like the H4 ones eventually do (in the salt belt,
> anyway).
>
> Stu
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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Tue Apr 15 15:05:45 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:05:45 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Headlights
In-Reply-To: <F039BAF0D766724ABE5A33EEDB320E5A044FEE07@LOUMLVEM03.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C57DD5DE@weco1.wengco.com>
	<000001c89e43$f6fe0860$6601a8c0@Brennan>
	<F039BAF0D766724ABE5A33EEDB320E5A044FEE07@LOUMLVEM03.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <480518A9.8030508@SoCal.rr.com>

Rense & Tigers,

To through yet another log onto the fire, I put my Original bulbs in a 
box (if I ever enter a Concour) and used a set of Hella "H4" headlamps, 
with Xenon Bulbs (slight lamp base touch-up).  Flatter face, and 
excellent light. 

My $0.02 (0.01 Pounds).  And Owain: Yes, the Xenon bulbs are brighter.  
Anything is brighter than originals, whose maximum output is dim and dismal.

Steve

___
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Editor - TigersUnited.com



Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd) wrote:
> Just want to remind the group about the GE Nighthawk high-output Sealed
> Beam Headlamps I had a hand in bringing to the market place a few years
> ago. They are a drop-in replacement, 30% brighter than a standard
> Halogen (about 200% brighter than those old Lucas incandescents), yet
> the low beam is only 35 watts. I run my headlights 100% in both my
> Tigers as DRLs and no issues with either car's generator keeping up.
>
> The correct lamp for our Tigers (and Alpines too) is the H6024NH GE
> NIGHTHAWK(tm) H6024NH PAR56 (7") PC: 28153
>
> They are sold on Amazon, by Wal-Mart and any auto parts store that
> handles GE Lamps.
>
> What's the down side? The lamp life has been diminished by 10% or so. A
> fair price to pay for seeing better in the dark!
>
> Bugz

From mgman71 at comcast.net  Tue Apr 15 16:19:52 2008
From: mgman71 at comcast.net (George Re)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:19:52 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Subaru master cylinder
Message-ID: <006a01c89f46$d494fc80$0201a8c0@homeqp0ya3bbsv>

Hello:

Not sure my last post went out?  Here is the question again. Has anyone used
the Subaru 1600 master cylinder in place of the Tiger Girling one?. I just
read the it was a easy swap just like to know if anyone in the group has tried
it.


Thanks
George Re
B9471055

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 17:05:36 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:05:36 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] orientation of wedges between crossmember and frame
Message-ID: <39a841b0804151605ya4376ddyc21e4db0ffd4f9c3@mail.gmail.com>

what is the correct orientation of the wedges between the crossmember
and the frame?

is the thick end meant to be towards the front or rear?

many thanks.

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 17:14:12 2008
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:14:12 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger / Alpine stock wheels
In-Reply-To: <041520081316.3523.4804AAAE0004925B00000DC322155517240B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net>
References: <041520081316.3523.4804AAAE0004925B00000DC322155517240B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0804151614r35809788x8c161610c492550b@mail.gmail.com>

I wonder if the Tiger stock wheels were the same as on some of the
husky/minx wagons and vans, the heavier commercial stuff.. have a friend who
says his late model minx has soe stong centred wheels.. come to think of
it.. that car had drop spindles too.. between those parts they are probably
worth more than the car

-- 
Regards

Michael King

From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net  Tue Apr 15 17:50:23 2008
From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:50:23 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] orientation of wedges between crossmember and  frame
In-Reply-To: <39a841b0804151605ya4376ddyc21e4db0ffd4f9c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c89f53$7913c5a0$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac>

Owain,

You took pictures when it came apart, right? :)

They go on with the wedge to the rear.

Just kidding but the orientation is correct.

Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse

The only reason I know is because my rack is out and I took pictures before
it went to Tom Hall for repair.

Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse


Subject: [Tigers] orientation of wedges between crossmember and frame

what is the correct orientation of the wedges between the crossmember
and the frame?

is the thick end meant to be towards the front or rear?

many thanks.

From CoolVT at aol.com  Tue Apr 15 20:11:56 2008
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:11:56 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] orientation of wedges between crossmember and   frame
Message-ID: <c27.346012a1.3536ba6c@aol.com>

Ross, and by the wedge part to the rear you meant the thick part,  right?



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From jteepen at usatoday.com  Tue Apr 15 21:26:44 2008
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:26:44 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger / Alpine stock wheels
In-Reply-To: <d86d088a0804151614r35809788x8c161610c492550b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C51FB27096A91445A83B807489D006C3227B13@usat-vocex21.usatoday.us.ad.gannett.com>

 Listers:

I have heard stories and seen the affect of autocrossing on stock Tiger
wheels and they seem to be the weaker of the Tiger/Alpine wheel option.
Having spoken to several credible racers, some currently racing, some
racing in period, they all have said they had better longivity from the
Alpine wheels.  The Tiger wheels are prone to cracking around the wheel
stud holes from autocrossing.  I have no information regarding road
racing usage.

Finally, I have no clue as to the differences in Tiger/Alpine wheels.
Happy hunting!

Jere

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
michael king
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 4:14 PM
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger / Alpine stock wheels

I wonder if the Tiger stock wheels were the same as on some of the
husky/minx wagons and vans, the heavier commercial stuff.. have a friend
who says his late model minx has soe stong centred wheels.. come to
think of it.. that car had drop spindles too.. between those parts they
are probably worth more than the car

--
Regards

Michael King

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Wed Apr 16 01:38:36 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 08:38:36 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] orientation of wedges between crossmember and  frame
In-Reply-To: <000d01c89f53$7913c5a0$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac>
References: <39a841b0804151605ya4376ddyc21e4db0ffd4f9c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<000d01c89f53$7913c5a0$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac>
Message-ID: <39a841b0804160038j4fd160d6u588d1d5a3c683130@mail.gmail.com>

i did take note when i removed it and the wedge was indeed towards the
rear but someone reputable told me the wedge should be towards the
front so i thought i'd check with the fountain of all knowledge that
is the tigers list :)

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 12:50 AM, Ross <ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Owain,
>
>  You took pictures when it came apart, right? :)
>
>  They go on with the wedge to the rear.
>
>  Just kidding but the orientation is correct.
>
>  Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse
>
>  The only reason I know is because my rack is out and I took pictures before
>  it went to Tom Hall for repair.
>
>  Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse
>
>
>  Subject: [Tigers] orientation of wedges between crossmember and frame
>
>
>
>  what is the correct orientation of the wedges between the crossmember
>  and the frame?
>
>  is the thick end meant to be towards the front or rear?
>
>  many thanks.

From spmdr at juno.com  Wed Apr 16 07:56:45 2008
From: spmdr at juno.com (spmdr at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 06:56:45 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Stock Sunbeam wheels
Message-ID: <20080416.065646.-1836757.2.spmdr@juno.com>

As a follow up on Jere's note,

My $.02

>From observation not part number check, 

"Tiger" steel wheels have a raised area around the lug nut 

that the Alpine wheel does not have.

And I would bet more than a few Alpines left Rootes with "Tiger" wheels.

The "Tiger" wheels break around the outside of the raised area.

I suspect the cause of failure is two fold, over torqueing the nuts 

and bigger (wider) / stickier tires than original (with some spirited
driving thrown in).

DW

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Wed Apr 16 09:29:30 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:29:30 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] March Motor Sport
In-Reply-To: <000f01c89b31$a6786530$405d7986@cahe.ad.wsu.edu>
References: <000f01c89b31$a6786530$405d7986@cahe.ad.wsu.edu>
Message-ID: <39a841b0804160829i45ba4ef6x55b39b7d3bd22291@mail.gmail.com>

i wouldn't buy the magazine just for that.  its not much of an
article, just a brief note.  email me personally if you'd like to see
it.

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Stephen Jones <joness at wsu.edu> wrote:
> I have been searching for the March issue of Motor Sports.  Seems to be sold
>  out in the US according to the distributor.  I have however conversed with
>  the UK distributor and it is possible to order directly from him.
>
>  Here is his reply to my request:
>
>  Yes, the Tiger article is in the March issue. We have about 40 spare in the
>  office. The cost of each copy is #4.95 + p&p (#3.55 to the US)
>
>  Best
>
>  Will
>
>  will.delmont at chelseamagazines.com
>
>  If someone orders a batch we could probably save some on the postage.  Does
>  anyone want to volunteer to order a batch and then distribute from here, one
>  of the clubs possibly?  If so put me on the list for one.
>
>
>  Also the March issue of Classic and Sportscar there is a great interview
>  with Don Tarbun who was Chief Development Engineer for Rootes and played a
>  large role in the Tiger.
>
>  To quote from the STOC site  "He and his team must have driven those MKI
>  'AF' Tigers many thousands of miles between December 1963 and June 1964. He
>  does say though that his favourite Rootes vehicle was the one off Humber
>  Sceptre fitted with Chrysler's 4.4 litre V8 - "the best Q car ever on the
>  roads of Britain".
>
>
>  steve jones
>  B9470867
>
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Wed Apr 16 09:55:20 2008
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 08:55:20 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] orientation of wedges between crossmember and   frame
References: <39a841b0804151605ya4376ddyc21e4db0ffd4f9c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<000d01c89f53$7913c5a0$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac>
	<39a841b0804160038j4fd160d6u588d1d5a3c683130@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001201c89fda$466f10f0$0202a8c0@student2>

Yes, the thicker part at the rear is correct.  This induces a positive 
caster.  Some have even increased the Tigers caster by putting spacers on 
top of the thicker part of the wedge.

This increase in caster helps with directional stability, but typically 
increases the steering effort.  There is also a practical limit to just how 
much "wedge" one can put between the frame rail and the crossmember.  While 
effective, the wedge isn't a marvel of engineering.  At least with this 
setup an indexed, tapered washer would be appropriate on the crossmember 
bolt.
Tom 

From cjcoffel at sonic.net  Wed Apr 16 11:04:53 2008
From: cjcoffel at sonic.net (Chris and Jodie)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:04:53 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Infinion
References: <000f01c89b31$a6786530$405d7986@cahe.ad.wsu.edu>
	<39a841b0804160829i45ba4ef6x55b39b7d3bd22291@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c89fe3$fd9fccc0$6601a8c0@pc1>

Stopped at Infinion on the way home from work. They are celebrating their 
40th annivarsary and guess what image they chose for all the promotional 
items?

You guessed it...........

http://www.infineonraceway.com/multimedia/image_gallery/sf5581.html

They are using the second image in this gallary. Looks like the Hollywood 
Tiger.

Bought some stickers and a pennant.

Chris Coffel

From mrlau at charter.net  Wed Apr 16 15:04:55 2008
From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:04:55 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger / Alpine stock wheels
In-Reply-To: <C51FB27096A91445A83B807489D006C3227B13@usat-vocex21.usatoday.us.ad.gannett.com>
Message-ID: <20080416210516.BLGW3194.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark>

I think you are right Jere.  The wheels on Tigers and Alpines probably
differ only in production groups.  A Tiger doesn't go around a corner as
fast as an Alpine as proven years ago in so many races so the side forces
which are the most devastating are less in the Tiger.  Either car could spin
the tires, and since current tires are a lot better that exacerbates the
problem also. There is no way Rootes made a different wheel for each type of
car that happened to look the same. If Lucas was involved, then maybe.
-- Bill --
 Listers:

I have heard stories and seen the affect of autocrossing on stock Tiger
wheels and they seem to be the weaker of the Tiger/Alpine wheel option.
Having spoken to several credible racers, some currently racing, some
racing in period, they all have said they had better longivity from the
Alpine wheels.  The Tiger wheels are prone to cracking around the wheel
stud holes from autocrossing.  I have no information regarding road
racing usage.

Finally, I have no clue as to the differences in Tiger/Alpine wheels.
Happy hunting!

Jere

I wonder if the Tiger stock wheels were the same as on some of the
husky/minx wagons and vans, the heavier commercial stuff.. have a friend
who says his late model minx has soe stong centred wheels.. come to
think of it.. that car had drop spindles too.. between those parts they
are probably worth more than the car

--
Regards

Michael King
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From stubrennan at comcast.net  Wed Apr 16 15:48:49 2008
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:48:49 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger / Alpine stock wheels
In-Reply-To: <20080416210516.BLGW3194.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark>
Message-ID: <000001c8a00b$a86e1450$6601a8c0@Brennan>

Somewhere backing the archives we had a discussion about this before.
Someone turned up a factory memo from back in the day stating that the
stock Tiger wheels should not be used for any sort of motorsports
whatsoever.  And some British vintage racer convinced his ultra
conservative racing club to allow him to switch to Minilites or
something because of this.  Does anyone remember the details?

Stu

From shutchin at netjets.com  Wed Apr 16 15:53:50 2008
From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:53:50 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger / Alpine stock wheels
Message-ID: <E923BF0D7326E745804634650F439C5B014EE484@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>

I remember seeing that in a list of factory available options that could be purchase as kits or installed by the dealer.  

Also had a stage I, II, III engine modification. I seem to recall that the stage I engine had the hipo cam, but no carb and manifold change. The came with stage II. 



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From jbbrown3 at tx.rr.com  Wed Apr 16 19:35:02 2008
From: jbbrown3 at tx.rr.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:35:02 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Sheet Metal
Message-ID: <20080417013505.VZEL11056.cdptpa-omta01.mail.rr.com@OfficePC>

Hi,

 

Is Classic Sunbeam Auto Parts (HYPERLINK
"http://www.classicsunbeam.com/"www.classicsunbeam.com) the only place left
to get body panels?  It seems like someone used to have a repair strip for
where the transmission tunnel meets the floorpans and another repair panel
for the metal behind the kick panels.  Does anyone know who sells these
pieces?

 

Thanks,

Joe Brown

B382000217

 


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From walmenke at bigpond.net.au  Thu Apr 17 05:20:53 2008
From: walmenke at bigpond.net.au (Wally Menke)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:20:53 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] MSD Ignition
Message-ID: <000401c8a07d$19527690$4bf763b0$@net.au>

Finally solve my MSD problem by getting rid of it! After removing it and
having it tested 2 times by the MSD distributor here they told me that it
was perfect. I borrowed a Crane HI 6 module and the problem disappeared! So
I bought one. The engine runs smoother and noticeably stronger. 

MSD = Missing Spark Device

Wally Menke


-----Original Message-----
From: Wally Menke [mailto:walmenke at bigpond.net.au] 
Sent: September 3, 2007 6:14 AM
To: Tiger List
Subject: MSD Ignition


Can anyone out there help me with an MSD ignition problem? Their tech 
support is non-existant!

I have a 6AL module fitted to my Tiger with rev limiter. After about 20-30 
minutes of running the rev limiter cuts in at 1/4 of the rated revs, ie. 
With a 6000 rpm chip it cuts out at 1500 rpm, with 8000 rpm chip it cuts out

at 2000 rpm.

When I pull the chip out the car runs fine! But I'd rather run with the rev 
limiter in place for protection. Any ideas out there?

Regards
Wally Menke
B9471793 

From CoolVT at aol.com  Thu Apr 17 09:04:39 2008
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:04:39 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
Message-ID: <cfa.303ec489.3538c107@aol.com>

Is this for real?



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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Apr 17 09:27:36 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:27:36 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <cfa.303ec489.3538c107@aol.com>
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Caertainly it is for real. I have a free linch for you also. No, the 
issue is the electrolysis of the water. All this guy  is doing is using 
someting to break water down into hydrogen and oxygen and remixing th 
egasses. Ford used this Hydroxide of Hydrogen last summer to run their 
fuel cell car to 207 on the salt flats. What's not siad is that in order 
to get enough to run your vehicle you have to have a LOT of it and under 
very high pressure, around 5000 or better psig. And because the two 
gasses are mixed together in the storage tank, they are quite literally 
a bomb. The good thing from this would be that if true he has a new wasy 
to electrolyze water. Keep the H2 and put the O2 back in the air. Much 
smaller bomb.  And that demo with the hafinger h olding the torch tip? 
You can probably do that with you acetelyne tip now. Just have to make 
sure that the flame front is off the tip by using lots of pressure to 
keep  it away.  So do not equate teh hotness of th etorch tip with the 
flame temp...that is really hot!

mayf
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Thu Apr 17 09:28:45 2008
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:28:45 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EF08@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

Here's a link:
<http://travisab1.multiply.com/video/item/75>

Water, as used in this context, is not the "fuel". He's using
electricity to dissociate the water into hydrogen and oxygen gas (or
maybe a partial hydrolysis to hydrogen and hydroxide ions) and then
recombining the gases in his torch (or in his car), which turns the
electrical energy into heat (and, judging by the tone of the article,
smoke and mirrors).

The energy is provided by the electrical plant that provided the power
to run his electrolysis machine. That's going to be coal-fired,
hydroelectric, nuclear, or in the case of his car, a gasoline powered
internal combustion engine.

Theo

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Thu Apr 17 09:40:16 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:40:16 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EF08@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EF08@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b0804170840g3a34dd72l9d4baa918c387970@mail.gmail.com>

i wouldn't normally bring it up, but what a stupid comment by the
presenter with the shaky grasp of economics right at the end:  'lets
hope water prices don't go up'.

hmm....

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:
> Here's a link:
>  <http://travisab1.multiply.com/video/item/75>
>
>  Water, as used in this context, is not the "fuel". He's using
>  electricity to dissociate the water into hydrogen and oxygen gas (or
>  maybe a partial hydrolysis to hydrogen and hydroxide ions) and then
>  recombining the gases in his torch (or in his car), which turns the
>  electrical energy into heat (and, judging by the tone of the article,
>  smoke and mirrors).
>
>  The energy is provided by the electrical plant that provided the power
>  to run his electrolysis machine. That's going to be coal-fired,
>  hydroelectric, nuclear, or in the case of his car, a gasoline powered
>  internal combustion engine.
>
>  Theo
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From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Thu Apr 17 09:46:12 2008
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:46:12 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EF09@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

Not that far off the mark. The use of water for hydrolysis requires
reasonably high purity, and preferably a bit of H2SO4 to help the
conductivity along. If you just used tap water, you'd be descaling your
hydrolysis equipment pretty often. So you have to buy your fuel-water
over the counter.

The reason that ethanol-from-corn was touted in the US as the answer to
cheap fuel, was that corn was relatively cheap. Now that a significant
fraction of corn production is going into ethanol plants instead of
being exported as food, the price of corn has gone up to the point where
people can't afford to buy it to eat.

Theo

-----Original Message-----
From: Owain Lloyd [mailto:owain.lloyd at gmail.com]
Sent: April 17, 2008 9:40 AM
To: Smit, Theo
Cc: CoolVT at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject)

i wouldn't normally bring it up, but what a stupid comment by the
presenter with the shaky grasp of economics right at the end:  'lets
hope water prices don't go up'.

hmm....

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
wrote:
> Here's a link:
>  <http://travisab1.multiply.com/video/item/75>
>
>  Water, as used in this context, is not the "fuel". He's using
>  electricity to dissociate the water into hydrogen and oxygen gas (or
>  maybe a partial hydrolysis to hydrogen and hydroxide ions) and then
>  recombining the gases in his torch (or in his car), which turns the
>  electrical energy into heat (and, judging by the tone of the article,
>  smoke and mirrors).
>
>  The energy is provided by the electrical plant that provided the
power
>  to run his electrolysis machine. That's going to be coal-fired,
>  hydroelectric, nuclear, or in the case of his car, a gasoline powered
>  internal combustion engine.
>
>  Theo
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From tiger at missiongranite.com  Thu Apr 17 09:49:49 2008
From: tiger at missiongranite.com (Alan Zeni)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:49:49 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Carb spacer
Message-ID: <005301c8a0a2$ab491a20$43f9d648@mgserver>

Does anyone know how thick a spacer I can use between a performer intake and a
600 cfm Holly carb?  And, I assume that I don't need a "heated" spacer like
O.E., right?

Thanks..........

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Thu Apr 17 09:54:44 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:54:44 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EF09@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EF09@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b0804170854m7cf16293p31f68be7228d111d@mail.gmail.com>

yes but corn has risen along with other commodities for different
reasons.  at least thats where the bulk of the increase in corn is.
further, whatever the high cost of the water ready for use in this
sort of equipment, there is no reason to believe the cost would
increase over time (as she is suggesting) as its unlikely to suffer
from political tensions and diminishing reserves.  if anything the
cost will fall as more efficient means of its production are devised.

anyway, we digress....  for the purposes of this list, i for one will
continue to pour dirty great quantities of preminum gasoline into my
hungry iron 302. :)

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:
> Not that far off the mark. The use of water for hydrolysis requires
>  reasonably high purity, and preferably a bit of H2SO4 to help the
>  conductivity along. If you just used tap water, you'd be descaling your
>  hydrolysis equipment pretty often. So you have to buy your fuel-water
>  over the counter.
>
>  The reason that ethanol-from-corn was touted in the US as the answer to
>  cheap fuel, was that corn was relatively cheap. Now that a significant
>  fraction of corn production is going into ethanol plants instead of
>  being exported as food, the price of corn has gone up to the point where
>  people can't afford to buy it to eat.
>
>  Theo
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Owain Lloyd [mailto:owain.lloyd at gmail.com]
>  Sent: April 17, 2008 9:40 AM
>  To: Smit, Theo
>  Cc: CoolVT at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net
>  Subject: Re: [Tigers] (no subject)
>
>  i wouldn't normally bring it up, but what a stupid comment by the
>  presenter with the shaky grasp of economics right at the end:  'lets
>  hope water prices don't go up'.
>
>  hmm....
>
>  On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
>  wrote:
>  > Here's a link:
>  >  <http://travisab1.multiply.com/video/item/75>
>  >
>  >  Water, as used in this context, is not the "fuel". He's using
>  >  electricity to dissociate the water into hydrogen and oxygen gas (or
>  >  maybe a partial hydrolysis to hydrogen and hydroxide ions) and then
>  >  recombining the gases in his torch (or in his car), which turns the
>  >  electrical energy into heat (and, judging by the tone of the article,
>  >  smoke and mirrors).
>  >
>  >  The energy is provided by the electrical plant that provided the
>  power
>  >  to run his electrolysis machine. That's going to be coal-fired,
>  >  hydroelectric, nuclear, or in the case of his car, a gasoline powered
>  >  internal combustion engine.
>  >
>  >  Theo
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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Thu Apr 17 09:58:17 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:58:17 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Carb spacer
In-Reply-To: <005301c8a0a2$ab491a20$43f9d648@mgserver>
References: <005301c8a0a2$ab491a20$43f9d648@mgserver>
Message-ID: <39a841b0804170858p293e6fd5ycf1f75d43982eee3@mail.gmail.com>

depends on your hood and engine position.  it's very easy to measure
by putting a loose ball of aluminum foil on top of the air filter and
closing the hood.   i used that tequinique to see if i could fit a
nitrous plate under the carb.  luckily i could :)

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Alan Zeni <tiger at missiongranite.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know how thick a spacer I can use between a performer intake and a
>  600 cfm Holly carb?  And, I assume that I don't need a "heated" spacer like
>  O.E., right?
>
>  Thanks..........
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From mrlau at charter.net  Thu Apr 17 09:58:03 2008
From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:58:03 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen fuel
In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EF09@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <20080417155824.TGUW4495.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark>

What isn't mentioned is that it takes more energy to get the hydrogen than
you get. -- Bill --

Not that far off the mark. The use of water for hydrolysis requires
reasonably high purity, and preferably a bit of H2SO4 to help the
conductivity along. If you just used tap water, you'd be descaling your
hydrolysis equipment pretty often. So you have to buy your fuel-water
over the counter.

The reason that ethanol-from-corn was touted in the US as the answer to
cheap fuel, was that corn was relatively cheap. Now that a significant
fraction of corn production is going into ethanol plants instead of
being exported as food, the price of corn has gone up to the point where
people can't afford to buy it to eat.

Theo

i wouldn't normally bring it up, but what a stupid comment by the
presenter with the shaky grasp of economics right at the end:  'lets
hope water prices don't go up'.

hmm....

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
wrote:
> Here's a link:
>  <http://travisab1.multiply.com/video/item/75>
>
>  Water, as used in this context, is not the "fuel". He's using
>  electricity to dissociate the water into hydrogen and oxygen gas (or
>  maybe a partial hydrolysis to hydrogen and hydroxide ions) and then
>  recombining the gases in his torch (or in his car), which turns the
>  electrical energy into heat (and, judging by the tone of the article,
>  smoke and mirrors).
>
>  The energy is provided by the electrical plant that provided the
power
>  to run his electrolysis machine. That's going to be coal-fired,
>  hydroelectric, nuclear, or in the case of his car, a gasoline powered
>  internal combustion engine.
>
>  Theo

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Thu Apr 17 10:01:51 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:01:51 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen fuel
In-Reply-To: <20080417155824.TGUW4495.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark>
References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EF09@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
	<20080417155824.TGUW4495.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark>
Message-ID: <39a841b0804170901y2a68ee7exad8063411f3aa0ef@mail.gmail.com>

indeed, but that may be considered worth while if that energy is
produced in a central location and using an environmentally efficient
means.   this loss can also be recouped if the new engine is more
efficient than a traditional petrol engine.

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:58 PM, William Lau <mrlau at charter.net> wrote:
> What isn't mentioned is that it takes more energy to get the hydrogen than
>  you get. -- Bill --
>
>  Not that far off the mark. The use of water for hydrolysis requires
>  reasonably high purity, and preferably a bit of H2SO4 to help the
>  conductivity along. If you just used tap water, you'd be descaling your
>  hydrolysis equipment pretty often. So you have to buy your fuel-water
>  over the counter.
>
>  The reason that ethanol-from-corn was touted in the US as the answer to
>  cheap fuel, was that corn was relatively cheap. Now that a significant
>  fraction of corn production is going into ethanol plants instead of
>  being exported as food, the price of corn has gone up to the point where
>  people can't afford to buy it to eat.
>
>  Theo
>
>  i wouldn't normally bring it up, but what a stupid comment by the
>  presenter with the shaky grasp of economics right at the end:  'lets
>  hope water prices don't go up'.
>
>  hmm....
>
>  On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com>
>  wrote:
>  > Here's a link:
>  >  <http://travisab1.multiply.com/video/item/75>
>  >
>  >  Water, as used in this context, is not the "fuel". He's using
>  >  electricity to dissociate the water into hydrogen and oxygen gas (or
>  >  maybe a partial hydrolysis to hydrogen and hydroxide ions) and then
>  >  recombining the gases in his torch (or in his car), which turns the
>  >  electrical energy into heat (and, judging by the tone of the article,
>  >  smoke and mirrors).
>  >
>  >  The energy is provided by the electrical plant that provided the
>  power
>  >  to run his electrolysis machine. That's going to be coal-fired,
>  >  hydroelectric, nuclear, or in the case of his car, a gasoline powered
>  >  internal combustion engine.
>  >
>  >  Theo
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From mrlau at charter.net  Thu Apr 17 10:09:09 2008
From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:09:09 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen fuel
In-Reply-To: <39a841b0804170901y2a68ee7exad8063411f3aa0ef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080417160930.TTBU3194.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark>

I don't agree.  A BTU is a BTU and you lose quite a bit any time you change
the form.  If electricity were used it may as well go straight to the car.
The biggest problem with that is where the used batteries are going every 5
years. NIMBY.  --Bill --

indeed, but that may be considered worth while if that energy is
produced in a central location and using an environmentally efficient
means.   this loss can also be recouped if the new engine is more
efficient than a traditional petrol engine.

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:58 PM, William Lau <mrlau at charter.net> wrote:
> What isn't mentioned is that it takes more energy to get the hydrogen than
>  you get. -- Bill --
>
>  Not that far off the mark. The use of water for hydrolysis requires
>  reasonably high purity, and preferably a bit of H2SO4 to help the
>  conductivity along. If you just used tap water, you'd be descaling your
>  hydrolysis equipment pretty often. So you have to buy your fuel-water
>  over the counter.
>
>  The reason that ethanol-from-corn was touted in the US as the answer to
>  cheap fuel, was that corn was relatively cheap. Now that a significant
>  fraction of corn production is going into ethanol plants instead of
>  being exported as food, the price of corn has gone up to the point where
>  people can't afford to buy it to eat.
>
>  Theo
>
>  i wouldn't normally bring it up, but what a stupid comment by the
>  presenter with the shaky grasp of economics right at the end:  'lets
>  hope water prices don't go up'.
>
>  hmm....

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Thu Apr 17 10:19:46 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:19:46 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen fuel
In-Reply-To: <20080417160930.TTBU3194.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark>
References: <39a841b0804170901y2a68ee7exad8063411f3aa0ef@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080417160930.TTBU3194.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark>
Message-ID: <39a841b0804170919h1319094eud373161384be4336@mail.gmail.com>

it is possible that its still more efficient and its likely to be more
environmentally friendly but even if its neither, at some point it
will become more economically viable.   there is only so much oil
left...

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:09 PM, William Lau <mrlau at charter.net> wrote:
> I don't agree.  A BTU is a BTU and you lose quite a bit any time you change
>  the form.  If electricity were used it may as well go straight to the car.
>  The biggest problem with that is where the used batteries are going every 5
>  years. NIMBY.  --Bill --
>
>
>  indeed, but that may be considered worth while if that energy is
>  produced in a central location and using an environmentally efficient
>  means.   this loss can also be recouped if the new engine is more
>  efficient than a traditional petrol engine.
>
>  On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:58 PM, William Lau <mrlau at charter.net> wrote:
>  > What isn't mentioned is that it takes more energy to get the hydrogen than
>  >  you get. -- Bill --
>  >
>  >  Not that far off the mark. The use of water for hydrolysis requires
>  >  reasonably high purity, and preferably a bit of H2SO4 to help the
>  >  conductivity along. If you just used tap water, you'd be descaling your
>  >  hydrolysis equipment pretty often. So you have to buy your fuel-water
>  >  over the counter.
>  >
>  >  The reason that ethanol-from-corn was touted in the US as the answer to
>  >  cheap fuel, was that corn was relatively cheap. Now that a significant
>  >  fraction of corn production is going into ethanol plants instead of
>  >  being exported as food, the price of corn has gone up to the point where
>  >  people can't afford to buy it to eat.
>  >
>  >  Theo
>  >
>  >  i wouldn't normally bring it up, but what a stupid comment by the
>  >  presenter with the shaky grasp of economics right at the end:  'lets
>  >  hope water prices don't go up'.
>  >
>  >  hmm....
>
>
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From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr 17 10:27:05 2008
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:27:05 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Gee Wizz
Message-ID: <001201c8a0a7$dff64360$6501a8c0@your03667082de>

"A Tiger doesn't go around a corner as
fast as an Alpine as proven years ago in so many races so the side forces
which are the most devastating are less in the Tiger."


Interesting statement.  I looked at different autocross events and the winning
times between Alpine and Tiger differ by a few tenths of a second.  Was there
some race or other event that measured the cornering G's
between a Alpine and Tiger?.  This looks like a good event for the next
Sunbeam get together: who can create the highest G's on a skid pad.



                                                                             
                            Jeff

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Thu Apr 17 10:50:58 2008
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:50:58 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Gee Wizz
References: <001201c8a0a7$dff64360$6501a8c0@your03667082de>
Message-ID: <00e401c8a0ab$3675a2f0$0202a8c0@student2>

Yes, I would think that lap times are not necessarily accurate in 
calculating side forces. The weight factor from the heavier V-8 is likely 
the significant contributor to side forces compared to an Alpine. All 
elements being equal..., yes. But, with the dynamic differences in weight 
(especially in the front) brings a need to look elsewhere for comparison.
Tom 

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Thu Apr 17 11:45:29 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:45:29 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Carb spacer
In-Reply-To: <39a841b0804170858p293e6fd5ycf1f75d43982eee3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005301c8a0a2$ab491a20$43f9d648@mgserver>
	<39a841b0804170858p293e6fd5ycf1f75d43982eee3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48078CB9.1020306@mayfco.com>

You, the world's fastesst SUnbeam (wannabe) has used many aan aluminum 
ball under the hood to measure clearances. Works really well, and sdoes 
not leave modeling clay everywhere, lol... And it holds the  shape 
really well so you can measure it easily.

mayf
Owain Lloyd wrote:

>depends on your hood and engine position.  it's very easy to measure
>by putting a loose ball of aluminum foil on top of the air filter and
>closing the hood.   i used that tequinique to see if i could fit a
>nitrous plate under the carb.  luckily i could :)
>
>On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Alan Zeni <tiger at missiongranite.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>Does anyone know how thick a spacer I can use between a performer intake and a
>> 600 cfm Holly carb?  And, I assume that I don't need a "heated" spacer like
>> O.E., right?
>>
>> Thanks..........
>> _______________________________________________
>> Support Team.Net  http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>> You are subscribed as owain.lloyd at gmail.com
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From BKSchonb at usi.edu  Thu Apr 17 11:47:54 2008
From: BKSchonb at usi.edu (Schonberger, Barry K)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:47:54 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Alpine and Tiger Plus Parts For Sale
Message-ID: <5E1145C45625C2438C5A489CE16BDF7D07D44163@emailnew.usi.edu>

Some acquaintances in Illinois are selling their Alpine, Tiger and
parts.  Mike was a very successful professional drag racer in the
60-70's and has quite a collection of rare FORD drag cars. Please feel
free to give them a call.



Barry Schonberger

Evansville, IN 47712

(812) 464-1862w

(812) 465-7021 fax

Teamtiger21 at aol.com





The parts list is as follows:



2 hardtops

front cross member

springs, A arms and spindles (multiple)

8 race rims alloy

2 race rims drag slicks

1967 Alpine driveline

Hood (Good)

Trunk lid (Good)

Doors (Good)

stock rims

Gas tanks

Tiger valve covers (original)

dash and misc instruments

hub caps

steering wheel

tons more parts



Will not sell cars unless parts sell first or with car or cars.  Cars
will sell separately if parts are sold first



1967 Sunbeam Alpine 22000 actual miles excellent condition



1967 Sunbeam Tiger, 347 stroker and T5 motorsports 5 speed



Thanks for the help and if there are any questions please contact Mike
and Sherry Hall 618-752-5861



Sherry Hall

From mrlau at charter.net  Thu Apr 17 13:06:56 2008
From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:06:56 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Gee Wizz
In-Reply-To: <001201c8a0a7$dff64360$6501a8c0@your03667082de>
Message-ID: <20080417190717.DLFK4495.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark>

Jeff, 

    This is from experience watching road racing in the 60's.  The Tigers
almost always got beaten by the Alpines unless there was an extremely long
straightaway.  The Tigers were neater and sounded neater, but on a short
course, the Alpines dominated which means they went around the corner
faster.  Today I'm sure there are a lot more Tigers that are set up for
racing than Alpines so it would be difficult to measure now.  Being better
balanced, all else being equal, the Alpine will produce more G's every time.
Just the difference of Ackermann angles would do it.  The Tiger steering is
designed backwards and the Alpine is correct. I built an Alger some years
ago and put a rack behind the wheels and was stunned how well it handled in
comparison to my MKII, especially since I had small nylon tires on it so I
wouldn't wreck the wire wheels with the V8 and the Tiger had the best I
could buy at the time.  - Bill --

 

  _____  

From: Jeffrey Nichols [mailto:jxnichols at sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:27 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Cc: mrlau at charter.net
Subject: Gee Wizz

 

"A Tiger doesn't go around a corner as
fast as an Alpine as proven years ago in so many races so the side forces
which are the most devastating are less in the Tiger."

 

 

Interesting statement.  I looked at different autocross events and the
winning times between Alpine and Tiger differ by a few tenths of a second.
Was there some race or other event that measured the cornering G's

between a Alpine and Tiger?.  This looks like a good event for the next
Sunbeam get together: who can create the highest G's on a skid pad.  

 

 

 

 
Jeff

From awtiger at cox.net  Thu Apr 17 14:36:52 2008
From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:36:52 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Gee Wizz
In-Reply-To: <20080417190717.DLFK4495.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark>
Message-ID: <20080417163652.TQZ2D.39196.imail@eastrmwml25.mgt.cox.net>

---- William Lau <mrlau at charter.net> wrote: 
> Jeff, 
> 
>     This is from experience watching road racing in the 60's.  The Tigers
> almost always got beaten by the Alpines unless there was an extremely long
> straightaway.  

Bill:

I'm quite surprised that you saw Tigers and Alpines racing together on the same track at the same time.  Assuming you are talking about SCCA road races, the cars ran in vastly different classes; Tigers in BP (later in CP) and Alpines predominantly in FP.  Those two classes should have never been on the same track at the same time.  Maybe you are speaking of comparing lap times rather than wheel-to-wheel competition??  Just out of curiosity, on which tracks did you see this take place?

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
B9006859LRX

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Thu Apr 17 16:06:40 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:06:40 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] (Run Your Car on Water)
In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EF09@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EF09@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <4807C9F0.8040600@SoCal.rr.com>

Just to add my own $.02,

In the olden days Fair hawkers used to sell "Catalytic" filters that 
claimed 100 mpg on water! Seller stated that this "invention" was stolen 
by G.M., and buried in their vaults. Or even "atomizers" that were 
propellers sandwiched in a carb filter, spun by passing air. 200 MPG 
Carburettor!

The hawkers were either looking for investors, or selling a sealed box 
at a fair.

I am reminded of the Three Laws of Thermodynamics:

   1. You can't win!
   2. You can't break even! - AND
   3. You can't get out of the Game!

:-D

Steve

___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com

From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 17 16:14:15 2008
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:14:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] "tiger" intake manifold on ebay
Message-ID: <982178.83037.qm@web53606.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

re ebay auction 170210484407 ... is this the real deal?  what is the history? 
looks a little different than the pic of the one in the BON

peter

Peter Laurinaitis
peter.laurinaitis.wg02 at wharton.upenn.edu

From cmccann at lwpb.com  Thu Apr 17 16:13:50 2008
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:13:50 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] (Run Your Car on Water)
In-Reply-To: <4807C9F0.8040600@SoCal.rr.com>
References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EF09@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
	<4807C9F0.8040600@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <D8223A11C9357D4891EA3884907F708682B327@lwpb-email1.LWPB.local>

....Wow, I'm humbled here, you guys are a lot smarter than me,
seriously...because I cant follow what heck ur talking about. This is
one of those conversations that if I were there in person, I would laugh
and smile right along with you, and on the inside I would hope that you
don't ask for my opinion...

Lol....you guys crack me up....

Cullen





************************************************************************
**

In the olden days Fair hawkers used to sell "Catalytic" filters that
claimed 100 mpg on water! Seller stated that this "invention" was stolen

by G.M., and buried in their vaults. Or even "atomizers" that were
propellers sandwiched in a carb filter, spun by passing air. 200 MPG
Carburettor!

The hawkers were either looking for investors, or selling a sealed box
at a fair.

I am reminded of the Three Laws of Thermodynamics:

   1. You can't win!
   2. You can't break even! - AND
   3. You can't get out of the Game!

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Thu Apr 17 16:38:04 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:38:04 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] "tiger" intake manifold on ebay
In-Reply-To: <982178.83037.qm@web53606.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <982178.83037.qm@web53606.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b0804171538j5468f49fu33930bbac7dd5d68@mail.gmail.com>

looks like mine:
http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/Carb/slides/CIMG2281.html
i think the letters have become a little rounded as its been polished.

but 400 bucks reserve not met?   i wouldn't pay that for one.

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Peter Laurinaitis <laurin212 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> re ebay auction 170210484407 ... is this the real deal?  what is the history?
>  looks a little different than the pic of the one in the BON
>
>  peter
>
>  Peter Laurinaitis
>  peter.laurinaitis.wg02 at wharton.upenn.edu
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From mrlau at charter.net  Thu Apr 17 19:05:29 2008
From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:05:29 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Gee Wizz
Message-ID: <20080418010550.VZHS3194.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark>

Masters Field Miami Florida.  I was a Mustang aficionado and was watching
them but had friends that were into Alpines and were excited that Tigers
were around.  This would have been late 65. I have no idea who conducted the
races or what the rules were.  Since you are familiar with SCCA competition,
how did the Tigers times compare with the Alpines?  -- Bill --


---- William Lau <mrlau at charter.net> wrote: 
> Jeff, 
> 
>     This is from experience watching road racing in the 60's.  The Tigers
> almost always got beaten by the Alpines unless there was an extremely long
> straightaway.  

Bill:

I'm quite surprised that you saw Tigers and Alpines racing together on the
same track at the same time.  Assuming you are talking about SCCA road
races, the cars ran in vastly different classes; Tigers in BP (later in CP)
and Alpines predominantly in FP.  Those two classes should have never been
on the same track at the same time.  Maybe you are speaking of comparing lap
times rather than wheel-to-wheel competition??  Just out of curiosity, on
which tracks did you see this take place?

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
B9006859LRX

From banana111 at msn.com  Thu Apr 17 21:25:58 2008
From: banana111 at msn.com (Brent Edinger)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:25:58 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel
Message-ID: <BLU114-DAV2A3D1CABA02D2C5192F03F7E40@phx.gbl>

These guys are on the right track. Ethanol from just about anything, even old
tires.
http://www.coskata.com/<http://www.coskata.com/>

                 Brent

From cbhlouky at bellsouth.net  Thu Apr 17 21:43:53 2008
From: cbhlouky at bellsouth.net (Craig)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:43:53 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] [tigers] British Bash
Message-ID: <009201c8a106$6ca0eaa0$0201a8c0@home9cmfx9peca>

British Bash


The 24th annual British Bash is coming June 6 & 7th!

This plus the sunny weather, top down weather, driving weather is a big 
reason to get your car out and running... to sign up for Pre-Registration 
which ends in just 17 days!

Pre-Registration BONUS ends soon!

Don't miss your chance to save up to 30% on your registration by entering 
now!
If you pre register you also receive a Dash Plaque, this is the ONLY way to 
get one!
No waiting in a registration line, drive in and enjoy the show, VIP service!
Register NOW online at www.BritishBash.com


Featured Marque
This years Featured Marque is Healey, featuring Austin Healey's, Jensen 
Healey's, Nash Healey and the Original Healey brand that started it all.

Show within a Show:
As a huge success the Bash last year featured it's first Show within a Show, 
with the gathering of the North American Spitfire Squadron. Due to the 
overwhelming success, this year the Jaguar Drivers Club Area 51 2008 Jaguar 
Concours will be held at this years Bash. So as an added bonus you get a 
show within a show!

Don't sit on the side lines and let another year pass you by! Come support 
the British Bash, remember this benefits St. Joseph's Children's home and 
last year we raised over $4,000 for St. Joe's and the Children! Help us top 
it this year!

For more info visit the website at www.BritishBash.com or contact Craig 
Holmes at: cbhlouky at bellsouth.net





















.
.
.
. 

From cbhlouky at bellsouth.net  Thu Apr 17 21:55:40 2008
From: cbhlouky at bellsouth.net (Craig)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:55:40 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] [tigers] British Bash
Message-ID: <00db01c8a108$124b3c70$0201a8c0@home9cmfx9peca>

Located in Louisville, Kentucky!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Craig" <cbhlouky at bellsouth.net>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:43 PM
Subject: [tigers] British Bash


> British Bash
>
>
> The 24th annual British Bash is coming June 6 & 7th!
>
> This plus the sunny weather, top down weather, driving weather is a big 
> reason to get your car out and running... to sign up for Pre-Registration 
> which ends in just 17 days!
>
> Pre-Registration BONUS ends soon!
>
> Don't miss your chance to save up to 30% on your registration by entering 
> now!
> If you pre register you also receive a Dash Plaque, this is the ONLY way 
> to get one!
> No waiting in a registration line, drive in and enjoy the show, VIP 
> service!
> Register NOW online at www.BritishBash.com
>
>
> Featured Marque
> This years Featured Marque is Healey, featuring Austin Healey's, Jensen 
> Healey's, Nash Healey and the Original Healey brand that started it all.
>
> Show within a Show:
> As a huge success the Bash last year featured it's first Show within a 
> Show, with the gathering of the North American Spitfire Squadron. Due to 
> the overwhelming success, this year the Jaguar Drivers Club Area 51 2008 
> Jaguar Concours will be held at this years Bash. So as an added bonus you 
> get a show within a show!
>
> Don't sit on the side lines and let another year pass you by! Come support 
> the British Bash, remember this benefits St. Joseph's Children's home and 
> last year we raised over $4,000 for St. Joe's and the Children! Help us 
> top it this year!
>
> For more info visit the website at www.BritishBash.com or contact Craig 
> Holmes at: cbhlouky at bellsouth.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
> .
> .
> . 

From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net  Thu Apr 17 23:25:49 2008
From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:25:49 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Gee Wizz
References: <20080418010550.VZHS3194.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark>
Message-ID: <004501c8a114$a9cb4cf0$0201a8c0@your4dacd0ea75>

I looked up some Sport Car Forum Tiger and Alpine results from 1965. At
Mid-Ohio in July, the Tiger was about 8 seconds per lap quicker than the
Alpine. At Bridgehampton the Tiger was about 15 seconds quicker per lap. The
cars ran in different groups but the times reflected their performance on
the same track, on the same day with the same timer (SCF President HJ
Meyer). Dan Carmichael drove the Alpine while Don Sesslar drove the Tiger.

Buck Trippel

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Lau" <mrlau at charter.net>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Gee Wizz


> Masters Field Miami Florida.  I was a Mustang aficionado and was watching
> them but had friends that were into Alpines and were excited that Tigers
> were around.  This would have been late 65. I have no idea who conducted 
> the
> races or what the rules were.  Since you are familiar with SCCA 
> competition,
> how did the Tigers times compare with the Alpines?  -- Bill --
>
>
> ---- William Lau <mrlau at charter.net> wrote:
>> Jeff,
>>
>>     This is from experience watching road racing in the 60's.  The Tigers
>> almost always got beaten by the Alpines unless there was an extremely 
>> long
>> straightaway.
>
> Bill:
>
> I'm quite surprised that you saw Tigers and Alpines racing together on the
> same track at the same time.  Assuming you are talking about SCCA road
> races, the cars ran in vastly different classes; Tigers in BP (later in 
> CP)
> and Alpines predominantly in FP.  Those two classes should have never been
> on the same track at the same time.  Maybe you are speaking of comparing 
> lap
> times rather than wheel-to-wheel competition??  Just out of curiosity, on
> which tracks did you see this take place?
>
> Andy Walker
> Edmond, OK
> B382001600LRXFE
> B9006859LRX
> _______________________________________________

From milano164 at comcast.net  Fri Apr 18 04:33:27 2008
From: milano164 at comcast.net (Steven silverstein)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 06:33:27 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Lap Times of race cars in the 1964 period
Message-ID: <2D53578A-BE6E-4EF5-8DBA-EE59A76A729E@comcast.net>

Following the thread by Bill and Andy, I had just been reading a  
Competition Press story on "How do '64 Production Car Classes Look?"   
with comparison fastest lap times at Riverside.   These were times  
from the Divisional held in Jan 1964.    For reference the race cars  
were honestly production cars with production parts - SCCA rules were  
that strict    (believe it or not, it wasn't until 64' that you could  
run .040" over pistons.  I don't even think you could run flat tops  
unless it was a feature of the car - the "factory Option list" game  
was just beginning)

Here's what they listed:

H- sprite    2:05
F- TR-3    1:54
F- Sunbeam Alpine 1:55
E- Porsche (N) 1:51
E- Elva Courier 1:54
E- Morgan Plus 4 1:54
E- A-H 100/4   1:55
D- AH 3000 1:49
D- TR-4 1:50
D- AC Bristol 1:53
D- Lotus Elite 1:55
C- Morgan SS 1:46
C- Lotus Super 7 1:47
B- Corvette 1:47
B- Jaguar XKE 1:54
A- Cobra 1:43
A- Sting Ray 1:44

Again, This is Riverside, 2.8 miles long, 8 turns.  So, having top  
mph would really payoff in a faster lap time.   As a note the Alpine  
won on Saturday and led on Sunday until retiring.  Also note, in 1963  
the Alpine was lumped in with E-Production and did OK - Don Sesslar  
tied for E-P national championship points and Ed Lamb won the SW  
division.

They even mention the 283 Corvettes will dominate B-P until the   
Alpine-Ford (Tiger yet, un-named) arrives.

Steve Silverstein

From milano164 at comcast.net  Fri Apr 18 04:38:16 2008
From: milano164 at comcast.net (Steven silverstein)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 06:38:16 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Lap Times of race cars in the 1964 period
In-Reply-To: <2D53578A-BE6E-4EF5-8DBA-EE59A76A729E@comcast.net>
References: <2D53578A-BE6E-4EF5-8DBA-EE59A76A729E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <E8F3F747-5DE2-4872-A9B5-079359EE323F@comcast.net>

I had left off the MGA at 1:57

Steve


On Apr 18, 2008, at 6:33 AM, Steven silverstein wrote:

> Following the thread by Bill and Andy, I had just been reading a  
> Competition Press story on "How do '64 Production Car Classes  
> Look?"  with comparison fastest lap times at Riverside.   These  
> were times from the Divisional held in Jan 1964.    For reference  
> the race cars were honestly production cars with production parts -  
> SCCA rules were that strict    (believe it or not, it wasn't until  
> 64' that you could run .040" over pistons.  I don't even think you  
> could run flat tops unless it was a feature of the car - the  
> "factory Option list" game was just beginning)
>
> Here's what they listed:
>
> H- sprite    2:05
> F- TR-3    1:54
> F- Sunbeam Alpine 1:55
> E- Porsche (N) 1:51
> E- Elva Courier 1:54
> E- Morgan Plus 4 1:54
> E- A-H 100/4   1:55
> D- AH 3000 1:49
> D- TR-4 1:50
> D- AC Bristol 1:53
> D- Lotus Elite 1:55
> C- Morgan SS 1:46
> C- Lotus Super 7 1:47
> B- Corvette 1:47
> B- Jaguar XKE 1:54
> A- Cobra 1:43
> A- Sting Ray 1:44
>
> Again, This is Riverside, 2.8 miles long, 8 turns.  So, having top  
> mph would really payoff in a faster lap time.   As a note the  
> Alpine won on Saturday and led on Sunday until retiring.  Also  
> note, in 1963 the Alpine was lumped in with E-Production and did OK  
> - Don Sesslar tied for E-P national championship points and Ed Lamb  
> won the SW division.
>
> They even mention the 283 Corvettes will dominate B-P until the   
> Alpine-Ford (Tiger yet, un-named) arrives.
>
> Steve Silverstein

From milano164 at comcast.net  Fri Apr 18 04:42:46 2008
From: milano164 at comcast.net (Steven silverstein)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 06:42:46 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Lap Times of race cars in the 1964 period
In-Reply-To: <E8F3F747-5DE2-4872-A9B5-079359EE323F@comcast.net>
References: <2D53578A-BE6E-4EF5-8DBA-EE59A76A729E@comcast.net>
	<E8F3F747-5DE2-4872-A9B5-079359EE323F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <857B7AA6-C96E-4E18-9487-2B6AA321739D@comcast.net>

F-production Lotus 7A at 1:55


So, the F-production class was a very tight field.  How the Tiger's  
lap times compare at Riverside is hard to say...  I think  I remember  
seeing something in the 1:48-9 range but I can't remember what year  
or who even was driving - or if it was the fastest lap for any  
participating Tiger so it really isn't an good example.  Surely,  
somebody has the laptimes from the ARRC held in 1964.


Steve

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Fri Apr 18 08:39:58 2008
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:39:58 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EF13@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

Ethanol from garbage makes total sense. Ripping up thousands of acres of
rainforest, old-growth forest, or re-purposing farmland to take
advantage of government subsidies for making ethanol from the sugar in
corn... not so much.

The reason that Brazil was able to put together an effective ethanol
economy was (at least in part) that they could grow sugarcane, which has
much higher sugar content than corn.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_in_Brazil

Theo

From tiger at missiongranite.com  Fri Apr 18 09:29:49 2008
From: tiger at missiongranite.com (Alan Zeni)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:29:49 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Parts and EBay
Message-ID: <003701c8a169$0a2516e0$43f9d648@mgserver>

I just finished pulling the motor and took the tranny and bellhousing of and,
lo and behold, it looks like an original throw out bearing complete with zirk
(zerc,zirc, whatever) fitting.  Should I start the bidding at $500..........

From mrlau at charter.net  Fri Apr 18 15:45:16 2008
From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:45:16 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel
In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EF13@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <20080418214537.OWQG3194.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark>

I would hate to make a bet that Brazil's alcohol system is working as well
as is stated.  Many governments subsidize things to make jobs for their
people and won't own up to it. (Japanese cars)  In other words they rob
Peter to pay Paul.  There is an alcohol refinery here close to St. Louis
that is huge.  I can guarantee that it isn't financed solely by private
industry, has government money, and isn't holding its own.  I will also
guarantee you that in 10 years it will be empty when the fad is over and the
government money dries up. I worry that government programs will use 10
gallons of oil to make 2 gallons of Ethanol out of garbage and then brag
about how clean it is.  There is no free lunch and all of this talk is moot
when we have oil in ANWR province and off the coast of our country and all
we have to do is go get it. -- Bill --

Ethanol from garbage makes total sense. Ripping up thousands of acres of
rainforest, old-growth forest, or re-purposing farmland to take
advantage of government subsidies for making ethanol from the sugar in
corn... not so much.

The reason that Brazil was able to put together an effective ethanol
economy was (at least in part) that they could grow sugarcane, which has
much higher sugar content than corn.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_in_Brazil

Theo
_______________________________________________

From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net  Fri Apr 18 17:03:53 2008
From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:03:53 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel
In-Reply-To: <20080418214537.OWQG3194.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark>
References: <20080418214537.OWQG3194.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark>
Message-ID: <480928D9.2010303@cox.net>

Hmm.
I think I remember seeing something about how all the oil in ANWR would 
cover Americas needs for about 6 months and take something like 6 years 
before coming online.  I could have the time frames wrong.
Rather see more conservation and less tearing up the landscape.

Best Regards
David Sosna
P.S. I agree--there's no free lunch, though at one time I thought about 
trying to convert my Tiger to Propane.  We do seem to have a lot of that 
here in the U.S.


William Lau wrote:
> There is no free lunch and all of this talk is moot
> when we have oil in ANWR province and off the coast of our country and all
> we have to do is go get it. -- Bill --

From rande at thecia.net  Fri Apr 18 17:03:26 2008
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:03:26 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger wheels
Message-ID: <480928be.1db.0@thecia.net>

Sorry to responding late.

Stu, the memo cautioning the use of Tiger wheels for competitive events is actually
on page 19 of the Sunbeam 260 Owners Handbook. To drive home the message sooner,
some handbooks had an additional sticker affixed to the inside of the front
cover with the same admonition, 'The standard tyres and road wheels fitted to
this car are not considered suitable for use in competitive motoring events...'along
with the warning not to take advantage of the valance aperture to hand crank
the (Tiger)motor, as the radiator is in the way. DA.

Gary, when I asked when the Rootes production line started using the Tiger road
wheel for Alpines, I didn't have any inside knowledge. It's just a common decision
with car makers that, given a change in specifications for a replacement part,
if a part is deemed to fit more models, it makes more financial sense to order
more of the replacement part and use it as well on the assembly line, and try
for a price concession from the supplier in exchange for the larger order. If
the car maker thinks there's a safety issue with the old part, that's even more
incentive.

There's always the possibility that, like the Ford 260 engine, they ordered
so many ahead of time that they chose to use up remaining stock on the Alpines
before ordering and switching to the Tiger wheel.

It would be interesting to figure out a definitive way to tell the difference
between what was supposed to be the  Alpine wheel and a real Tiger wheel, but
for most Alpine folks who haven't owned their cars for forty years, who knows
if the previous owner didn't swap wheels knowingly or not.

From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net  Fri Apr 18 17:08:06 2008
From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:08:06 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel
In-Reply-To: <20080418214537.OWQG3194.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark>
References: <20080418214537.OWQG3194.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark>
Message-ID: <480929D6.3030007@cox.net>

Whoops!
Sorry, 13-17 month supply of oil.
My bad.
Best Regards
David

From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Apr 18 17:42:41 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:42:41 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel
In-Reply-To: <480928D9.2010303@cox.net>
References: <20080418214537.OWQG3194.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark>
	<480928D9.2010303@cox.net>
Message-ID: <480931F1.8050607@mayfco.com>

David, have you priced propane lately? We have it in our house for cook 
stove and phony fireplace and it is expensive.  Diesel here in Pahrump 
is now over 4 bucks, around 4.10 USD per gal.  Gasoline around $3.50 or 
so give or take a 10s digit.


David Sosna wrote:

>Hmm.
>I think I remember seeing something about how all the oil in ANWR would 
>cover Americas needs for about 6 months and take something like 6 years 
>before coming online.  I could have the time frames wrong.
>Rather see more conservation and less tearing up the landscape.
>
>Best Regards
>David Sosna
>P.S. I agree--there's no free lunch, though at one time I thought about 
>trying to convert my Tiger to Propane.  We do seem to have a lot of that 
>here in the U.S.

From mrlau at charter.net  Fri Apr 18 18:02:00 2008
From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:02:00 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel
In-Reply-To: <480928D9.2010303@cox.net>
Message-ID: <20080419000220.UFUW4495.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark>

I had a friend with a 69 Jeep Commando Wagon years ago and he ran it on
propane.  We used it to go on a hunting trip in 1970 and everything worked
OK but the tank was huge and he got less than half the mileage with propane.
He filled it from his house tank so it was cheap but on the open road it was
hard to find and expensive.  The tank filled up the entire space in the
rear. 
 The figures for oil in ANWR vary a lot depending on whether the person
giving them is a tree hugger or a realist. -- Bill --

Hmm.
I think I remember seeing something about how all the oil in ANWR would 
cover Americas needs for about 6 months and take something like 6 years 
before coming online.  I could have the time frames wrong.
Rather see more conservation and less tearing up the landscape.

Best Regards
David Sosna
P.S. I agree--there's no free lunch, though at one time I thought about 
trying to convert my Tiger to Propane.  We do seem to have a lot of that 
here in the U.S.


William Lau wrote:
> There is no free lunch and all of this talk is moot
> when we have oil in ANWR province and off the coast of our country and all
> we have to do is go get it. -- Bill --
_______________________________________________

From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net  Fri Apr 18 23:54:32 2008
From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:54:32 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel
In-Reply-To: <20080419000220.UFUW4495.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark>
References: <20080419000220.UFUW4495.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark>
Message-ID: <48098918.7040803@cox.net>

Yep, one of the things (besides the cost, as Mayf pointed out) was 
trying to figure out where to put those heavy propane tanks--there 
wasn't exactly a lot of room :-)
And, as you say, the oil figures for ANWR vary depending on whether the 
person giving them is a tree-hugger or a land-rapist.

Best Regards
David

William Lau wrote:
> I had a friend with a 69 Jeep Commando Wagon years ago and he ran it on
> propane.  We used it to go on a hunting trip in 1970 and everything worked
> OK but the tank was huge and he got less than half the mileage with propane.
> He filled it from his house tank so it was cheap but on the open road it was
> hard to find and expensive.  The tank filled up the entire space in the
> rear. 
>  The figures for oil in ANWR vary a lot depending on whether the person
> giving them is a tree hugger or a realist. -- Bill --
>
> Hmm.
> I think I remember seeing something about how all the oil in ANWR would 
> cover Americas needs for about 6 months and take something like 6 years 
> before coming online.  I could have the time frames wrong.
> Rather see more conservation and less tearing up the landscape.
>
> Best Regards
> David Sosna
> P.S. I agree--there's no free lunch, though at one time I thought about 
> trying to convert my Tiger to Propane.  We do seem to have a lot of that 
> here in the U.S.
>
>
> William Lau wrote:
>   
>> There is no free lunch and all of this talk is moot
>> when we have oil in ANWR province and off the coast of our country and all
>> we have to do is go get it. -- Bill --
>>     
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From mrlau at charter.net  Sat Apr 19 06:34:03 2008
From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 07:34:03 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel
In-Reply-To: <48098918.7040803@cox.net>
Message-ID: <20080419123424.IQWA4495.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark>

David if you think people trying their best to get what it takes to run this
great country of ours is a land rapist then you need to quit driving your
Tiger, get a Prius or bicycle and put a Tiger tail on it and turn off your
compute,r turn off the heat and air conditioning only flush twice a week and
drink puddle water because every little bit helps.  - Bill --

 

 

Yep, one of the things (besides the cost, as Mayf pointed out) was trying to
figure out where to put those heavy propane tanks--there wasn't exactly a
lot of room :-) 
And, as you say, the oil figures for ANWR vary depending on whether the
person giving them is a tree-hugger or a land-rapist.

Best Regards
David

William Lau wrote: 

I had a friend with a 69 Jeep Commando Wagon years ago and he ran it on
propane.  We used it to go on a hunting trip in 1970 and everything worked
OK but the tank was huge and he got less than half the mileage with propane.
He filled it from his house tank so it was cheap but on the open road it was
hard to find and expensive.  The tank filled up the entire space in the
rear. 
 The figures for oil in ANWR vary a lot depending on whether the person
giving them is a tree hugger or a realist. -- Bill --
 
Hmm.
I think I remember seeing something about how all the oil in ANWR would 
cover Americas needs for about 6 months and take something like 6 years 
before coming online.  I could have the time frames wrong.
Rather see more conservation and less tearing up the landscape.
 
Best Regards
David Sosna
P.S. I agree--there's no free lunch, though at one time I thought about 
trying to convert my Tiger to Propane.  We do seem to have a lot of that 
here in the U.S.
 
 
William Lau wrote:
  

There is no free lunch and all of this talk is moot
when we have oil in ANWR province and off the coast of our country and all
we have to do is go get it. -- Bill --
    

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From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Apr 19 07:44:37 2008
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:44:37 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Valve cover clearance??
Message-ID: <d5e.2878eecd.353b5145@aol.com>

Can anyone tell me what the clearance is from the top of the valve  cover to 
the underside of the cowling?  My engine has roller rockers and  original 
style low covers won't fit over rockers and typical cast covers also  will not 
fit.  Seems as if I am going to have to go with something taller  and I know 
fitment is an issue.  Since I won't have to be removing valve  covers for 
adjustments, what height can I get away with in a cover that will fit  under the 
cowling?
Any ideas on brand names that will work in this situation or should  I be 
looking at cover spacers?
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From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net  Sat Apr 19 08:59:28 2008
From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 07:59:28 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT
In-Reply-To: <20080419123424.IQWA4495.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark>
References: <20080419123424.IQWA4495.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark>
Message-ID: <480A08D0.5000600@cox.net>

Well, thanks, Bill.
I really needed _you_ to tell me how to live my life.

I've tried to couch my responses to you in an "agree-to-disagree" form, 
even including a little humor by making fun of both sides, but you don't 
seem to want to have any of that.

Since I can see where this is going between you and me, I've decided to 
opt out by setting my message filter to send any future communications 
from you directly to the trash bin, so feel free to offer whatever 
pseudo-patriotic flag-waving head-in-the-sand response you want.

I won't be reading it.

David

William Lau wrote:
> David if you think people trying their best to get what it takes to run this
> great country of ours is a land rapist then you need to quit driving your
> Tiger, get a Prius or bicycle and put a Tiger tail on it and turn off your
> compute,r turn off the heat and air conditioning only flush twice a week and
> drink puddle water because every little bit helps.  - Bill --
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Yep, one of the things (besides the cost, as Mayf pointed out) was trying to
> figure out where to put those heavy propane tanks--there wasn't exactly a
> lot of room :-) 
> And, as you say, the oil figures for ANWR vary depending on whether the
> person giving them is a tree-hugger or a land-rapist.
>
> Best Regards
> David
>
> William Lau wrote: 
>
> I had a friend with a 69 Jeep Commando Wagon years ago and he ran it on
> propane.  We used it to go on a hunting trip in 1970 and everything worked
> OK but the tank was huge and he got less than half the mileage with propane.
> He filled it from his house tank so it was cheap but on the open road it was
> hard to find and expensive.  The tank filled up the entire space in the
> rear. 
>  The figures for oil in ANWR vary a lot depending on whether the person
> giving them is a tree hugger or a realist. -- Bill --
>  
> Hmm.
> I think I remember seeing something about how all the oil in ANWR would 
> cover Americas needs for about 6 months and take something like 6 years 
> before coming online.  I could have the time frames wrong.
> Rather see more conservation and less tearing up the landscape.
>  
> Best Regards
> David Sosna
> P.S. I agree--there's no free lunch, though at one time I thought about 
> trying to convert my Tiger to Propane.  We do seem to have a lot of that 
> here in the U.S.
>  
>  
> William Lau wrote:
>   
>
> There is no free lunch and all of this talk is moot
> when we have oil in ANWR province and off the coast of our country and all
> we have to do is go get it. -- Bill --
>     
>
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From shutchin at netjets.com  Sat Apr 19 09:11:35 2008
From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:11:35 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Valve cover clearance??
Message-ID: <E923BF0D7326E745804634650F439C5B014EE4B4@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>

But the 'Tiger' ones from Rick and knock out the baffles. 



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From shutchin at netjets.com  Sat Apr 19 09:11:36 2008
From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:11:36 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Valve cover clearance??
Message-ID: <E923BF0D7326E745804634650F439C5B014EE4B5@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>

Forgot to say I run comp cams pro-magnum rollers with no problem with that setup. Not having the baffles doesn't seem to cause any issues either. 



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From shutchin at netjets.com  Sat Apr 19 09:13:09 2008
From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:13:09 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT
Message-ID: <E923BF0D7326E745804634650F439C5B014EE4B6@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>

I sense possible political disagreement on the list. 

;)


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From CoolVT at aol.com  Sat Apr 19 09:40:42 2008
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:40:42 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Valve cover clearance??
Message-ID: <cb4.2e374869.353b6c7a@aol.com>

To those who wrote on the valve covers....I wasn't there when  someone tried 
fitting the valvle covers yesterday. Possibly it is just an issue  of 
removing/grinding the baffles.  The other things is that each company  producing 
rockers seems to have different dimensions.  These are stainless  with a part # of 
2331, but I don't have the manufacturer.  
I'd still be curious to know what the clearance is from cover top  to bottom 
of the cowl.  My engine is out and I can't do the  measurements.
Getting the covers off once installed in the car is not an issue  for me.  In 
42 years I don't think the originals had ever been off until  last week:-)
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From hallmotors at cox.net  Sat Apr 19 11:44:24 2008
From: hallmotors at cox.net (Hall Motors)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 12:44:24 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT
In-Reply-To: <E923BF0D7326E745804634650F439C5B014EE4B6@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>
Message-ID: <20080419174409.ZYIZ13948.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net>

I sense the same thing Scott;)  Some more fuel for the fire: Interesting
that since at least the 70's there's been dire predictions about there being
only so much oil and that we're running out (Canada even passed a law, later
rescinded, in the 70's making exports illegal beginning 01/01/80).  New
finds and technology continue to balloon potential reserves; constrained
mainly by environmentalism (and mainly in the US, making us more and more
dependent on others).  There's even a scientific theory, that hasn't been
dispelled to date, that the Earth is actually manufacturing oil (as opposed
to the fossil origin theory).  

It's important to note that the stone age didn't end because we ran out of
stone and the oil age likely won't end because we run out of oil.  That
said, while we're waiting for the continual advance of technology to make
oil obsolete, based on reasoned observation and evaluation I have to reject
the extreme environmentalism camp that constrains human progress and freedom
as has injured the US's security.  I also reject the oversimplified and
misleading tree hugger and land rapist monikers.

Brad Hall
38200609

Couple of Notes: 1) The ANWR estimates in this tread are in the ballpark
(based on current technology), but ANWR is just an example - there all kinds
of known reserves plus those we don't know of yet being held hostage along
with ANWR and our energy independence, and 2) propane is one of the liquids
knocked out of natural gas before we burn the residue gas in homes, power
plants, etc; while natural gas, and thus propane, production is subject to
basically the same advances and constraints as oil, its energy contend is
less and it's much more difficult to transport and store.


-----Original Message-----
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Hutchinson
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 10:13 AM
To: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT

I sense possible political disagreement on the list. 

;)


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From mai65tai at sonic.net  Sat Apr 19 13:32:52 2008
From: mai65tai at sonic.net (John Stithem)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 12:32:52 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Need an early MKI Window regulator
Message-ID: <001a01c8a254$2934d520$0700000a@John>

Hi All,
I posted on the TigerBits site but have not received any response so I thought
I'd try here.

I need an early MKI Window Regulator. I believe the early (63'?) Alpines had
the same regulator. It is the one with two attachment tabs above the window
crank. I need a drivers side.
If anyone can help, please contact me off list. I posted pictures of the two
different type of regulators on the TigerBits site so you could see the one I
need..

Thanks,

John

mai65tai at sonic.net

From mrlau at charter.net  Sat Apr 19 13:49:27 2008
From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 14:49:27 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT
In-Reply-To: <20080419174409.ZYIZ13948.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net>
Message-ID: <20080419194947.VXXG4495.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark>

 The sad part of this is that most that push foolish processes know better,
but are going to get money for doing what they know is a waste of time and
resources.  It takes 500 pounds of corn to get 10 gallons of Ethanol and
that isn't counting how much oil it takes to get the corn grown, harvested,
processed and delivered.  Any scientist knows this, but if money, especially
government money, is being collected truth will not be told by them. -- Bill
--


I sense the same thing Scott;)  Some more fuel for the fire: Interesting
that since at least the 70's there's been dire predictions about there being
only so much oil and that we're running out (Canada even passed a law, later
rescinded, in the 70's making exports illegal beginning 01/01/80).  New
finds and technology continue to balloon potential reserves; constrained
mainly by environmentalism (and mainly in the US, making us more and more
dependent on others).  There's even a scientific theory, that hasn't been
dispelled to date, that the Earth is actually manufacturing oil (as opposed
to the fossil origin theory).  

It's important to note that the stone age didn't end because we ran out of
stone and the oil age likely won't end because we run out of oil.  That
said, while we're waiting for the continual advance of technology to make
oil obsolete, based on reasoned observation and evaluation I have to reject
the extreme environmentalism camp that constrains human progress and freedom
as has injured the US's security.  I also reject the oversimplified and
misleading tree hugger and land rapist monikers.

Brad Hall
38200609

Couple of Notes: 1) The ANWR estimates in this tread are in the ballpark
(based on current technology), but ANWR is just an example - there all kinds
of known reserves plus those we don't know of yet being held hostage along
with ANWR and our energy independence, and 2) propane is one of the liquids
knocked out of natural gas before we burn the residue gas in homes, power
plants, etc; while natural gas, and thus propane, production is subject to
basically the same advances and constraints as oil, its energy contend is
less and it's much more difficult to transport and store.


Scott Hutchinson
Director of Operations
Netjets Large Aircraft

Office 860.292.1191
Mobile 843.290.2805

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From v8tracker at gmail.com  Sat Apr 19 13:59:25 2008
From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 14:59:25 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] FW:  Tiger Parts and EBay
Message-ID: <001201c8a257$ded00b90$6101a8c0@DellD4700>

 Alan,
 
 That original throw out bearing must be worth more than a mere $500....
 
 Check the ad in the current Hemmings for an "original Tiger 260 and top
 loader four-speed". Going to the seller's website,
 http://www.larrykay.com/64FalconR/index.html, I see the price is only
 $7,850. Of course, that includes the '64 Ranchero is which the engine and
 transmission are now installed, along with a six-cylinder engine and
 automatic that could be put in the Ranchero when the Tiger engine and
 transmission are taken out.
 
 I e-mailed the seller and all he has to indicate that these are Tiger
 components is the Rootes engine sticker on the valve cover and a story
 from the former owner that another former owner somewhere along the line
 wrecked his Tiger and moved the engine and trans to his Ranchero.
 
 A. C. Tynes
 New Orleans
 
 
 
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> > From: tigers-bounces+v8tracker=gmail.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-
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> > To: tiger
> > Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Parts and EBay
> >
> > I just finished pulling the motor and took the tranny and bellhousing of
> > and,
> > lo and behold, it looks like an original throw out bearing complete with
> > zirk
> > (zerc,zirc, whatever) fitting.  Should I start the bidding at
> > $500..........
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From mrlau at charter.net  Sat Apr 19 14:11:05 2008
From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:11:05 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT
In-Reply-To: <d05.2f4937ab.353ba815@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20080419201126.WLBX3194.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark>

This is correct but the big worry is if the government with its P.C.
policies continues to implements alternative fuels that take more fossil
fuel to process than the amount of alternative fuel made.  A small team of
engineers can quickly calculate whether an idea is realistic.  If any of
these ideas that are flying around were viable, private enterprise would be
all over them to make a profit.  The ideas only stay around because of a few
pie in the sky enthusiasts who really don't know but instead wish.  I know I
am ready to put some Hi test in my Tiger and push the loud pedal to WOT
where the mileage is very poor and put the smell the burning rubber in the
air while we are still allowed. - Bill --

 

  _____  

From: CoolVT at aol.com [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 2:55 PM
To: mrlau at charter.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT

 

I agree, it may not be worth it now, but will it be worth it if gas hits $7
or $8 per gallon?  How will people, who are currently against drilling in
"sensitive areas", feel  if gas reaches $7 or $8?  My guess is that people
who are fanatically against it might continue to be so, but the people on
the border of this thinking will be begging for drilling.

M





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From shutchin at netjets.com  Sat Apr 19 14:16:37 2008
From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:16:37 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT
Message-ID: <E923BF0D7326E745804634650F439C5B014EE4B7@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>

Don't worry ladies and gents Adam Smith's invisible hand will solve it all in the end. 

Think I'm gonna get a pellet stove and a solar panel for the roof this year so that I can still afford to toss the hi test in the tiger. 



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From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr 19 15:34:23 2008
From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:34:23 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] I'm Baffled
Message-ID: <000c01c8a265$22e356e0$6801a8c0@your03667082de>

"Forgot to say I run comp cams pro-magnum rollers with no problem with that
setup. Not having the baffles doesn't seem to cause any issues either. "


Someone a while back mentioned that they removed the baffles and had oil
seeping out of the oil filler hole.  They put the baffle back in after raising
the mounting points.  He was using the Tiger aluminum valve cover.    I
thought Tom Hall mentioned his web site sold a spacer that fits between the
valve cover and head to give enough space for roller rockers.  You may be able
to double up on the gasket for enough space.    I need to find out also
because I have a rebuilt 260 with roller cam to put in my car.


                                                                             
                                                        Jeff

From jim at island.net  Sat Apr 19 16:10:01 2008
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:10:01 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] I'm Baffled
In-Reply-To: <000c01c8a265$22e356e0$6801a8c0@your03667082de>
Message-ID: <04a801c8a26a$1d462af0$0300a8c0@JIMPC>

My engine builder installed Ford 'Racing' valve covers with the baffles
removed and a little grinding on the baffle mounting boss on one side. He
assured me that it wouldn't be a problem as the oil passages have
restrictors in them because of the roller rockers and there isn't really
that much oil splashing about. One big bonus to have them fit that easily is
that the TrickFlow heads have the cover mounting flanges cast about 1/4"
higher than stock heads. This all fits easily under the bulkhead but of
course not enough to get the covers off...especially with the tall locks on
the rockers... 
I finally received my backordered 'Tiger' covers ( after the engine install)
and I would think that they are not quite as tall as the motorsport
ones...but close...

Jim
B382000446



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From: tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey
Nichols
Sent: April 19, 2008 2:34 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] I'm Baffled

"Forgot to say I run comp cams pro-magnum rollers with no problem with that
setup. Not having the baffles doesn't seem to cause any issues either. "


Someone a while back mentioned that they removed the baffles and had oil
seeping out of the oil filler hole.  They put the baffle back in after
raising
the mounting points.  He was using the Tiger aluminum valve cover.    I
thought Tom Hall mentioned his web site sold a spacer that fits between the
valve cover and head to give enough space for roller rockers.  You may be
able
to double up on the gasket for enough space.    I need to find out also
because I have a rebuilt 260 with roller cam to put in my car.


 

                                                        Jeff
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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Sat Apr 19 18:03:52 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:03:52 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] The Three Laws of Thermodynamis
Message-ID: <480A8868.50100@SoCal.rr.com>

I wrote, previously, about the "Three Laws of Thermodynamics.

Since these laws may be unclear to a great many people, by response, I 
have attempted to /" 'splain/ " the meanings. But they may not "simple" 
to the non-scientific audience. (Not a gripe, just a fact.)

My "simplification" (not original) was:

   1. You cannot win.
   2. You can't break even
   3. You can't get out of the game

The scientific statement is somewhat esoteric, requiring a knowledge of 
mathematics and thermodynamics:

   1. If a system undergoes a thermodynamic cycle, whether it becomes
      warmer, cooler, larger, or smaller, then it will have the same
      amount of energy each time it returns to a particular state.
      Mathematically speaking, energy is a state function and
      infinitesimal changes in the energy are exact differentials.

          i.e., "No change in energy in a closed system" can be loosely 
described as         "You can't win!"

       2. In a simple manner, the second law states that "energy systems 
have a                 tendency to increase their entropy" rather than 
decrease it.

          i.e., "No change in energy in a closed system" can be loosely 
described as         "You can't break even!"

        3.  The third law states

    "As temperature approaches absolute zero the entropy of a system
    approaches a constant minimum."

    i.e. can be thought of as meaning you can't evade the first two laws.
    or "You can't get out of the game"


    If you would like to read a FULL description you can try "Wikipedia"
    a "more thorough description:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamics

     The actually have been working since before the universe began. 
    Our understanding of them started in 1824, when first formulated.

    Steve

-- 
___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com

From sunbeamjohn at msn.com  Sat Apr 19 23:37:09 2008
From: sunbeamjohn at msn.com (sunbeam john)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:37:09 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] British License Plate
Message-ID: <BAY114-W3499739827078ABA8F4750A5E60@phx.gbl>

Does anyone know where I can buy a British License Plate that has black
background with silver letters? They appear to be 18  to 24 inches wide and 6
to 8 inches high.
Thank you,
John
sunbeamjohn at msn.com

From Tigerman67 at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 20 00:19:29 2008
From: Tigerman67 at hotmail.com (Tiger Man)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 00:19:29 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] British License Plate
References: <BAY114-W3499739827078ABA8F4750A5E60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY119-DAV84ED782289F6861CE0228C1E60@phx.gbl>

I bought one ebay last year, custom made to whatever you would like it to 
say.
Mine is
65 TIGER
I thought it was a nice job, and they claim they are authentic and 
everything, but I do believe based on some pics I saw of real UK classic 
plates, that the '5' would have been shaped slightly differently than the on 
my vanity plate (in order to make it look less like an 'S')
Overall, a nice vanity plate.
I found someone else who sold European license plate holders, so that it 
would be easier to bolt on (I haven't tested that out, since I only planned 
on using it at a car show if I ever go.

The guy I bought the plate from on ebay was
http://myworld.ebay.com/driver8zzz/

I have no connection or interest in that vendor, other than to say I was a 
satisfied customer.

Thanks,
Steve



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From: "sunbeam john" <sunbeamjohn at msn.com>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 11:37 PM
Subject: [Tigers] British License Plate


> Does anyone know where I can buy a British License Plate that has black
> background with silver letters? They appear to be 18  to 24 inches wide 
> and 6
> to 8 inches high.
> Thank you,
> John
> sunbeamjohn at msn.com
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From sganz at pacbell.net  Sun Apr 20 00:42:07 2008
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 23:42:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] British License Plate
Message-ID: <281833.89892.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I got one from this place -

http://www.licenseplates.tv/cat/great_britain_242.html

came out very nice, have every country and styles for different years, here it is on my GT40

http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/RCR40.html

HTH

Sandy

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From: sunbeam john <sunbeamjohn at msn.com>
To: "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 10:37:09 PM
Subject: [Tigers] British License Plate

Does anyone know where I can buy a British License Plate that has black
background with silver letters? They appear to be 18  to 24 inches wide and 6
to 8 inches high.
Thank you,
John
sunbeamjohn at msn.com
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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Sun Apr 20 01:43:55 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:43:55 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] British License Plate
In-Reply-To: <281833.89892.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <281833.89892.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b0804200043w56ddb460t64b26678952b9c59@mail.gmail.com>

Classicplate.com or classicplates.com based in the uk.  That's what I
run on my car in the UK.  Very authentic.



On 4/20/08, Sandy Ganz <sganz at pacbell.net> wrote:
> I got one from this place -
>
> http://www.licenseplates.tv/cat/great_britain_242.html
>
> came out very nice, have every country and styles for different years, here
> it is on my GT40
>
> http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/RCR40.html
>
> HTH
>
> Sandy
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: sunbeam john <sunbeamjohn at msn.com>
> To: "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 10:37:09 PM
> Subject: [Tigers] British License Plate
>
> Does anyone know where I can buy a British License Plate that has black
> background with silver letters? They appear to be 18  to 24 inches wide and
> 6
> to 8 inches high.
> Thank you,
> John
> sunbeamjohn at msn.com
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From JParent4 at tampabay.rr.com  Sun Apr 20 04:51:06 2008
From: JParent4 at tampabay.rr.com (Jim Parent)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 06:51:06 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] British License Plate
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-W3499739827078ABA8F4750A5E60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000001c8a2d4$6fbbbc40$c500a8c0@T60>

http://www.licenseplates.tv/prod/britainuk_euro_licen_2033.html

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From Carmods at aol.com  Sun Apr 20 07:06:39 2008
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 09:06:39 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] I'm Baffled
Message-ID: <cf6.2cad0d7f.353c99df@aol.com>

Someone  a while back mentioned that they removed the baffles and had oil
seeping  out of the oil filler hole.


That may be me. However, without the baffles, the oil got sucked up through  
the PCV into the intake. I reinstalled the baffles closer to the cover  
surface and use two gaskets. I'm not sure how you can run without baffles unless  
you run without  PCV, which is not good.
 
John Logan



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From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Sun Apr 20 07:27:34 2008
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 09:27:34 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Laws of Thermodynamics
Message-ID: <480B44C6.3010301@roadrunner.com>

Steve's original statement of the Laws of Thermodynamics as given by 
C.P. Snow are pretty succinct and an
easy way to remember them.  When stated in the usual language of 
physics, they do become a little less
clear to the layman.  Whichever way you prefer, I would add a couple of 
things as an attempt at clarification
and elaboration.

The First Law is also known as the Law of Conservation of Energy.  Most 
people have heard of this, but it
simply states that the total amount of energy in an isolated system is 
constant.  That is, energy can be
converted from one form to another, but cannot be created or destroyed.  
Automobile engines operated by
converting the chemical energy stored in gasoline into heat.  Engine 
modifications to gain power are involved
with finding ways to convert the energy content in gasoline into heat 
more rapidly.  Power is the measure of
how fast energy is being converted.  You can, of course, use gasoline 
with more energy content (i.e. higher
octane) as well, but the principle remains - energy in = energy out.

The Second Law, also known as the Law of Entropy, concerns itself with 
more practical matters.  It basically
says that energy conversions involve "losses".  Most of the time these 
losses appear as heat, which is just
the random motion of molecules.  In an automobile engine, when the 
chemical energy stored in the gasoline
is converted into motion of the engine, some of the energy is also 
converted to heat due to friction.  This
turns out to be quite a bit of energy, so most automobile engines are 
not very efficient devices.  The Second
Law also explains why many processes, even though they do not violate 
the First Law, are not seen to take
place.  That is why many processes that can be observed in a film run 
backwards seem so strange - they
represent processes which diminish the amount of Entropy (or disorder) 
in a system.  Put simply, things run
downhill spontaneously, not uphill.  It is on the basis of this law that 
perpetual motion devices are precluded. 
One can get into a lot of philosophical discussions with the Law of 
Entropy and the implications it has for the
direction of time, etc.  One other interesting aspect of this law is 
that it is not absolutely true, in the sense
that it is a statement of statistical probabilities. 

Finally, these laws operate whether we wish them to or not.  
Consequently, it would, indeed, be helpful if
those who determine the policies of our government with regard to energy 
could take the time to understand
them.  The comments of a couple of folks in this forum regarding the 
conversion of corn into ethanol and the
possibility of using hydrogen power for vehicles might be better 
understood in light of these laws.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE
(constantly generating entropy in my little corner of the universe)

From rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net  Sun Apr 20 09:06:10 2008
From: rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net (rfeibusch1 at earthlink.net)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 08:06:10 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Tigers]  British License Plate
Message-ID: <22746773.1208703970458.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

John,
I have a perfect condition matched pair that have an interesting story (used in a series of British home market Kellog's cereal commercials that were shot in the San Francisco Bay Area in 1989 - I supplied the cars....) that I will sell you .......  but Moss motors used to offer these aluminium plates pressed with any numbers that you wanted - I used to have my California numbers pressed into the plates and drive for months aronnd SF in my Morris Minors before anyone would say anything - check with them as well. I would like $45 postpaid for the pair.

Best 

Rick Feibusch
Event Coordinator,
The Sierra Point British Car Meet
Tour, Swap Meet and Show in Brisbane, CA
Sept 6th & 7th, 2008
310-392-6605
cell - 319-977-1087
Venice, CA

essage: 10
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:37:09 -0700
From: sunbeam john <sunbeamjohn at msn.com>
Subject: [Tigers] British License Plate
To: "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <BAY114-W3499739827078ABA8F4750A5E60 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Does anyone know where I can buy a British License Plate that has black
background with silver letters? They appear to be 18  to 24 inches wide and 6
to 8 inches high.
Thank you,
John
sunbeamjohn at msn.com

From awtiger at cox.net  Sun Apr 20 11:28:37 2008
From: awtiger at cox.net (Andy Walker)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:28:37 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] British License Plate
In-Reply-To: <281833.89892.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <281833.89892.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CE51EC7B54AF400DA6431DA3B1881448@awtigerPC>

Cool 40, Sandy!!!!  1075 is my favorite of all time as well.  Great job!!!

Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
B9006857LRX

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sandy Ganz" <sganz at pacbell.net>
To: "sunbeam john" <sunbeamjohn at msn.com>
Cc: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 1:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] British License Plate


>I got one from this place -
>
> http://www.licenseplates.tv/cat/great_britain_242.html
>
> came out very nice, have every country and styles for different years, 
> here it is on my GT40
>
> http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/RCR40.html
>
> HTH
>
> Sandy
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: sunbeam john <sunbeamjohn at msn.com>
> To: "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 10:37:09 PM
> Subject: [Tigers] British License Plate
>
> Does anyone know where I can buy a British License Plate that has black
> background with silver letters? They appear to be 18  to 24 inches wide 
> and 6
> to 8 inches high.
> Thank you,
> John
> sunbeamjohn at msn.com
> You are subscribed as sganz at pacbell.net
>
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From awtiger at cox.net  Sun Apr 20 11:31:53 2008
From: awtiger at cox.net (Andy Walker)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:31:53 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] British License Plate
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-W3499739827078ABA8F4750A5E60@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY114-W3499739827078ABA8F4750A5E60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A428AE9A4D6440E68A89C9E6DAF75B9B@awtigerPC>

John:

I got my British plate from Triple-C Motoring Accessories.  Very reasonable 
on price, if I remember correctly.  See the link below:

http://www.triple-c.com/

Best of luck,
Andy Walker
Edmond, OK
B382001600LRXFE
B9006859LRX

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "sunbeam john" <sunbeamjohn at msn.com>
To: <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 12:37 AM
Subject: [Tigers] British License Plate


> Does anyone know where I can buy a British License Plate that has black
> background with silver letters? They appear to be 18  to 24 inches wide 
> and 6
> to 8 inches high.
> Thank you,
> John
> sunbeamjohn at msn.com
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From 65tiger at comcast.net  Sun Apr 20 19:45:36 2008
From: 65tiger at comcast.net (65tiger at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:45:36 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] how to sign onto the newsgroup
Message-ID: <042120080145.19328.480BF1C0000D5EC100004B8022007601800A040A040A0D070C@comcast.net>

Can someone post the "subscribe tigers" newsgroup method?  
There is a new member who needs this but I don't remember the instructions to sign up.

thanks,
Curtis 

 -------------- Original message ----------------------

From tsmit at shaw.ca  Sun Apr 20 20:04:06 2008
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:04:06 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] how to sign onto the newsgroup
In-Reply-To: <042120080145.19328.480BF1C0000D5EC100004B8022007601800A040A040A0D070C@comcast.net>
References: <042120080145.19328.480BF1C0000D5EC100004B8022007601800A040A040A0D070C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <480BF616.9030508@shaw.ca>

Go here
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers

and follow the instructions.

Cheers,
Theo
... this morning it was 10 F outside (-12 C) and we have about eight 
inches of snow on the ground.

65tiger at comcast.net wrote:
> Can someone post the "subscribe tigers" newsgroup method?  
> There is a new member who needs this but I don't remember the instructions to sign up.
>
> thanks,
> Curtis 

From mark.rense at ge.com  Mon Apr 21 07:54:12 2008
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd))
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:54:12 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT
Message-ID: <F039BAF0D766724ABE5A33EEDB320E5A0455AACC@LOUMLVEM03.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Ok, that's it. I cannot stand all this eco-pressure. Enough is enough, I
quit! Tonight, I'm tearing that 300 HP gas-guzzling beast of a 289 out
of my car and replacing it with an Alpine powertrain. But before I do, I
need to know what I else I have to do to make my car as authentic an
Alpine as I can.

- Since I own a Mk1A, I would assume I would need to follow any and all
pathways to convert it to a Series V Alpine. Am I correct?
- The tach and wooden steering wheel need to be replaced with suitable
Alpine components, but I'm a little hazy on the center consol, any
guidance?
- That battery box thing will be a bit tricky, I will have to remove the
Holley fuel pump and replicate a battery box, someone have the
dimensions?
- I can move the spare tire up into the well, but do I need to
air-chisel out the Tiger's mount? Do I throw out the trunk platform and
attachment hooks?
- The chrome side trim and "Tiger" emblems need to be removed, but what
to do with the trim mount rivets sticking out. Any suggestions?
- The 1725 would be correct for a Series V, but could I get better
mileage out of the original 1500? Thoughts?
- How much of the transmission tunnel do I have to beat back into shape?
Can I just cut another hole for the Alpine shifter, or do I need to weld
in a cover plate over the Tiger shifter's location?
- What about those pesky access holes for the Tiger's shift linkage,
rocker cover, and number 8 spark plug, ignore or weld up?
- Will the Salisbury rear end work (mine's a 3.21 posi), or do I need to
get an Alpine rear axel assembly? Since I'm going eco, which OD unit is
best?
- I don't know if I can live without our beloved negative Ackerman
issues, can I keep the rack-and-pinion or do I have to convert to the
Alpine worm box?
- Shocks an springs are another issue, do I keep the Konis or go back to
the old blue stock ones?
- I know my massive aluminum Griffin radiator has to go, but does using
a partially-plugged stock Tiger radiator count or do I need to be strict
here and only use stock Alpine components?
- Of course, since my car was not an original Alpine but merely a
conversion, I cannot actually call it an Alpine. I know Alger is taken,
how about "Tipine"?

I'm sure there are many other conversion items I have missed, so please
admonish me at your will for my lack of "Alpine-ness" and give me your
best insight. Be sure to include a stamped, self-addressed envelope...

Bugz
Tongue firmly planted in cheek.

From CoolVT at aol.com  Mon Apr 21 07:58:38 2008
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:58:38 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT
Message-ID: <d22.23443cf2.353df78e@aol.com>

If your intention is to perpetuate a fraud, please don't ask for  the list's 
help in doing so. You are on your own.
:-)



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From mark.rense at ge.com  Mon Apr 21 08:09:07 2008
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd))
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:09:07 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT
In-Reply-To: <d22.23443cf2.353df78e@aol.com>
References: <d22.23443cf2.353df78e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F039BAF0D766724ABE5A33EEDB320E5A0455AAEF@LOUMLVEM03.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Mark,
I in no way wish to deceive anyone, but I would like the Tiger-to-Alpine
conversion to at least be faithful to the casual eye. Besides, my next
step may be to just transplant an entire Prius power train into the car.
I understand all those batteries in the boot could really give the old
girl some traction!

Of course, then I'd have to call it a Ti-yota....

Bugz
:>)

________________________________

From: CoolVT at aol.com [mailto:CoolVT at aol.com]
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:59 AM
To: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd); tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT


If your intention is to perpetuate a fraud, please don't ask for the
list's help in doing so. You are on your own.
:-)



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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Mon Apr 21 08:12:42 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:12:42 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] midget rack
Message-ID: <39a841b0804210712t154653d9h1d98c99d60306371@mail.gmail.com>

just thought i'd share my first impressions after putting in the
midget steering rack.

i put just under 200 miles on the car over the weekend mainly on
country roads.  its absolutely fantastic!

gone is the horrible understeer in tight corners and the tight ratio
makes fast cornering so much easier.  setting the toe is a breeze with
straight adjustable tie rods.  my car used to wander badly on bumpy
roads at speed but of course i'm also benefiting from the
straightening of my crossmember which i did at the same time so i
imagine most of my gains in directional stability come from that.   in
fact i actually didn't bother to set the caster/camber yet, and am
using no shims.  there is visibily positive camber and i'm still so
impressed i can hardly be bothered to break out the caster/camber
gauge at all!

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Apr 21 08:15:57 2008
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:15:57 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EF23@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

I have a SV chassis... you can come cut off the parts you need and weld
them into your Tigpine wannabe ;)

My Echo gets in the mid-40 miles per US gallon. It's got an 1500 CC
engine, so if you wanted your conversion to be eco friendly and pay at
least some lip service to the Alpine heritage you could use that
engine... and with 108 HP it'll be faster than the original too.
Theo

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)
Sent: April 21, 2008 7:54 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT

Ok, that's it. I cannot stand all this eco-pressure. Enough is enough, I
quit! Tonight, I'm tearing that 300 HP gas-guzzling beast of a 289 out
of my car and replacing it with an Alpine powertrain. But before I do, I
need to know what I else I have to do to make my car as authentic an
Alpine as I can.
<snip>
Bugz
Tongue firmly planted in cheek.

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Mon Apr 21 08:18:38 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:18:38 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] British License Plate
In-Reply-To: <39a841b0804200043w56ddb460t64b26678952b9c59@mail.gmail.com>
References: <281833.89892.qm@web82808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<39a841b0804200043w56ddb460t64b26678952b9c59@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b0804210718r505c4ff8pf89e9d75350c58ac@mail.gmail.com>

oops, sorry - the web site is actually:

http://www.classic-number-plate.com/

On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd at gmail.com> wrote:
> Classicplate.com or classicplates.com based in the uk.  That's what I
>  run on my car in the UK.  Very authentic.
>
>
>
>
>
>  On 4/20/08, Sandy Ganz <sganz at pacbell.net> wrote:
>  > I got one from this place -
>  >
>  > http://www.licenseplates.tv/cat/great_britain_242.html
>  >
>  > came out very nice, have every country and styles for different years, here
>  > it is on my GT40
>  >
>  > http://www.gtsparkplugs.com/RCR40.html
>  >
>  > HTH
>  >
>  > Sandy
>  >
>  > ----- Original Message ----
>  > From: sunbeam john <sunbeamjohn at msn.com>
>  > To: "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>
>  > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 10:37:09 PM
>  > Subject: [Tigers] British License Plate
>  >
>  > Does anyone know where I can buy a British License Plate that has black
>  > background with silver letters? They appear to be 18  to 24 inches wide and
>  > 6
>  > to 8 inches high.
>  > Thank you,
>  > John
>  > sunbeamjohn at msn.com
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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Mon Apr 21 08:25:53 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:25:53 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT
In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EF23@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EF23@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b0804210725y6036775dxf49d229aec239aea@mail.gmail.com>

sadly, i think the alpine engine is not more economical than the small
block with a four barrel.
you'd be better off just putting a five speed in :)


On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Smit, Theo <Theo.Smit at dynastream.com> wrote:
> I have a SV chassis... you can come cut off the parts you need and weld
>  them into your Tigpine wannabe ;)
>
>  My Echo gets in the mid-40 miles per US gallon. It's got an 1500 CC
>  engine, so if you wanted your conversion to be eco friendly and pay at
>  least some lip service to the Alpine heritage you could use that
>  engine... and with 108 HP it'll be faster than the original too.
>  Theo
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net
>  [mailto:tigers-bounces+theo.smit=dynastream.com at autox.team.net] On
>  Behalf Of Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd)
>  Sent: April 21, 2008 7:54 AM
>  To: tigers at autox.team.net
>  Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT
>
>
> Ok, that's it. I cannot stand all this eco-pressure. Enough is enough, I
>  quit! Tonight, I'm tearing that 300 HP gas-guzzling beast of a 289 out
>  of my car and replacing it with an Alpine powertrain. But before I do, I
>  need to know what I else I have to do to make my car as authentic an
>  Alpine as I can.
>  <snip>
>
> Bugz
>  Tongue firmly planted in cheek.
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>
>
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From Carmods at aol.com  Mon Apr 21 08:30:43 2008
From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:30:43 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger to Alpine Conversion
Message-ID: <cd5.2c3d38e2.353dff13@aol.com>

Bugz
 You are in luck. We have complete Tiger-to-Alpine conversion  kits 
available. They include all required parts from axle to tunnel to Alpine  scrip and of 
course the necessary Alpine title, data plate, SAL tag and  Certificate of 
Authenticity.  There is even a package of our  reproduced original rivets for the 
data plate. 
 
The cost is $9,999 plus the replaced Tiger parts and shipping. 
 
There is no guarantee that your carbon foot print will be reduced but we  
will send you a Gore certificate anyway.
 
 



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From mrlau at charter.net  Mon Apr 21 08:46:59 2008
From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:46:59 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT
In-Reply-To: <F039BAF0D766724ABE5A33EEDB320E5A0455AACC@LOUMLVEM03.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <20080421144720.KHUJ3194.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark>

In an earlier post someone had some Alpine wheels for only $295 per wheel if
that will help you meet your goal. I'm sure you can trade your Tiger engine
to the same seller for an early (smaller) Alpine engine but be prepared to
pay the difference. -- Bill --



Ok, that's it. I cannot stand all this eco-pressure. Enough is enough, I
quit! Tonight, I'm tearing that 300 HP gas-guzzling beast of a 289 out
of my car and replacing it with an Alpine powertrain. But before I do, I
need to know what I else I have to do to make my car as authentic an
Alpine as I can.

- Since I own a Mk1A, I would assume I would need to follow any and all
pathways to convert it to a Series V Alpine. Am I correct?
- The tach and wooden steering wheel need to be replaced with suitable
Alpine components, but I'm a little hazy on the center consol, any
guidance?
- That battery box thing will be a bit tricky, I will have to remove the
Holley fuel pump and replicate a battery box, someone have the
dimensions?
- I can move the spare tire up into the well, but do I need to
air-chisel out the Tiger's mount? Do I throw out the trunk platform and
attachment hooks?
- The chrome side trim and "Tiger" emblems need to be removed, but what
to do with the trim mount rivets sticking out. Any suggestions?
- The 1725 would be correct for a Series V, but could I get better
mileage out of the original 1500? Thoughts?
- How much of the transmission tunnel do I have to beat back into shape?
Can I just cut another hole for the Alpine shifter, or do I need to weld
in a cover plate over the Tiger shifter's location?
- What about those pesky access holes for the Tiger's shift linkage,
rocker cover, and number 8 spark plug, ignore or weld up?
- Will the Salisbury rear end work (mine's a 3.21 posi), or do I need to
get an Alpine rear axel assembly? Since I'm going eco, which OD unit is
best?
- I don't know if I can live without our beloved negative Ackerman
issues, can I keep the rack-and-pinion or do I have to convert to the
Alpine worm box?
- Shocks an springs are another issue, do I keep the Konis or go back to
the old blue stock ones?
Bugz
Tongue firmly planted in cheek.

From mark.rense at ge.com  Mon Apr 21 08:47:45 2008
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd))
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:47:45 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger to Alpine Conversion
In-Reply-To: <cd5.2c3d38e2.353dff13@aol.com>
References: <cd5.2c3d38e2.353dff13@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F039BAF0D766724ABE5A33EEDB320E5A0455AB7E@LOUMLVEM03.e2k.ad.ge.com>

That's great news! What is the cost if I keep all those old, unwanted
Tiger-only parts? With the price of Authentic Tiger power trains going
through the roof, I can recover most of the kit's cost by eBaying all
that discarded, eco-unfriendly, non-green Tiger stuff.

If I follow all the directions, will it pass an A.A.C. inspection
committee?

Bugz
:0)

________________________________

From: Carmods at aol.com [mailto:Carmods at aol.com]
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:31 AM
To: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd); tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Tiger to Alpine Conversion


Bugz
 You are in luck. We have complete Tiger-to-Alpine conversion kits
available. They include all required parts from axle to tunnel to Alpine
scrip and of course the necessary Alpine title, data plate, SAL tag and
Certificate of Authenticity.  There is even a package of our reproduced
original rivets for the data plate.

The cost is $9,999 plus the replaced Tiger parts and shipping.

There is no guarantee that your carbon foot print will be reduced but we
will send you a Gore certificate anyway.





________________________________

Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings
at AOL Autos <http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851> .

From mrlau at charter.net  Mon Apr 21 08:57:24 2008
From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:57:24 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger to Alpine Conversion
In-Reply-To: <F039BAF0D766724ABE5A33EEDB320E5A0455AB7E@LOUMLVEM03.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <20080421145744.KYTZ3194.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark>

If you follow all the directions Al Gore himself will autograph it which
will make all of the Carroll Shelby autographs worthless.  He might even
give you a DVD of his movie "Earth in a Lurch" and buy a few carbon credits
from you so he can use more electricity and ride in a limo. -- Bill --

That's great news! What is the cost if I keep all those old, unwanted
Tiger-only parts? With the price of Authentic Tiger power trains going
through the roof, I can recover most of the kit's cost by eBaying all
that discarded, eco-unfriendly, non-green Tiger stuff.

If I follow all the directions, will it pass an A.A.C. inspection
committee?

Bugz
:0)

________________________________

From: Carmods at aol.com [mailto:Carmods at aol.com]
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:31 AM
To: Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd); tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Tiger to Alpine Conversion


Bugz
 You are in luck. We have complete Tiger-to-Alpine conversion kits
available. They include all required parts from axle to tunnel to Alpine
scrip and of course the necessary Alpine title, data plate, SAL tag and
Certificate of Authenticity.  There is even a package of our reproduced
original rivets for the data plate.

The cost is $9,999 plus the replaced Tiger parts and shipping.

There is no guarantee that your carbon foot print will be reduced but we
will send you a Gore certificate anyway.





________________________________

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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Mon Apr 21 08:58:16 2008
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:58:16 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen Fuel WOB/OT
References: <20080421144720.KHUJ3194.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark>
Message-ID: <006201c8a3c0$215e0fc0$0202a8c0@student2>

Thank you Mark.  As you can see by a recent post by Theo, your efforts to 
"Alpinize" your Tiger will help turn the tide. Comment by Theo:

>>>... this morning it was 10 F outside (-12 C) and we have about eight
inches of snow on the ground.<<<

Obvously this is just one more effect of global warming. Everyone knows Theo 
should have been seen 9 F  (-12.777777777777778 C ) and 8-1/16" snow on the 
ground.

Sorry, I was going to stay out of this, but I just couldn't resist.

Tom  ;-) 

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Mon Apr 21 09:07:53 2008
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:07:53 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Knott's Ford Show
Message-ID: <006f01c8a3c1$796a89e0$0202a8c0@student2>

Hi,
I went to the Knott's Ford Car Show this weekend.  I'm not complaining, just
curious.  There was only one 'real' Tiger (a survivor with lots of
"patina")and a nicely done Alger.  Is there a boycott of the event?  In part I
went to see my Pinto brethren, so I had a nice day. I just thought I would see
more Tigers (or even an Alpine - well..., I sort of did) given the number of
Tigers in the general area.

Tom

From jteepen at usatoday.com  Mon Apr 21 09:34:59 2008
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:34:59 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Knott's Ford Show
In-Reply-To: <006f01c8a3c1$796a89e0$0202a8c0@student2>
Message-ID: <C51FB27096A91445A83B807489D006C322813A@usat-vocex21.usatoday.us.ad.gannett.com>

 Tom:

The Knotts show had been a regular calendar event for C.A.T members for
many years.  The event became less desirable when the waterpark was
built and the show lost the capacity for approximately 400 cars.  This
created a pinch for the organizers and the registration became tighter.
Also, an interested participant could enter the show a couple of months
prior to the show, but with the reduction in the number of spaces
available the time required to enter became over one year.  That,
combined with an early arrival time and no exiting the event until after
3:00 p.m., may be some of the reason for the near extinction of Tigers
at that event.  I have never entered the show, but usually visit with
the Tiger owners, which is where I gleaned the above information.

I intended to go to the 2008 show as a spectator, but forgot...

Jere

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Thomas Witt
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:08 AM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Knott's Ford Show

Hi,
I went to the Knott's Ford Car Show this weekend.  I'm not complaining,
just curious.  There was only one 'real' Tiger (a survivor with lots of
"patina")and a nicely done Alger.  Is there a boycott of the event?  In
part I went to see my Pinto brethren, so I had a nice day. I just
thought I would see more Tigers (or even an Alpine - well..., I sort of
did) given the number of Tigers in the general area.

Tom

From sganz at pacbell.net  Mon Apr 21 09:36:15 2008
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:36:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Knott's Ford Show
Message-ID: <102724.82102.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I went as well. I think they should just change out the name of the show to the Mustang show, nothing wrong with that, but I don't need to see 300 late models and ton of 5.oh's. Still some good cars, just not much compared to the amount of stang's

Sandy


----- Original Message ----
From: Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net>
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:07:53 AM
Subject: [Tigers] Knott's Ford Show

Hi,
I went to the Knott's Ford Car Show this weekend.  I'm not complaining, just
curious.  There was only one 'real' Tiger (a survivor with lots of
"patina")and a nicely done Alger.  Is there a boycott of the event?  In part I
went to see my Pinto brethren, so I had a nice day. I just thought I would see
more Tigers (or even an Alpine - well..., I sort of did) given the number of
Tigers in the general area.

Tom
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Mon Apr 21 10:29:23 2008
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:29:23 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Knott's Ford Show
References: <102724.82102.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <009e01c8a3cc$dc668020$0202a8c0@student2>

Jere,

 Thanks for the explanation. It does stand to reason the absence given the 
difficulties stated.  At least this year the Tiger/Alpine section was pretty 
much by itself.  There must have been  five or more empty spaces on each 
side.

Sandy,

 I agree. There  was something about too many late model, or too many -any- 
model cars that seem to diminish the "speciality" of the show.  Other than 
to glance the early Mustangs on the way out I basically focused on the 
"lesser" (which I feel was greater) offerings.
Tom 

From sganz at pacbell.net  Mon Apr 21 11:07:10 2008
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:07:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Euro and other plates
Message-ID: <282876.15876.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I just found this in my email box, should have posted sooner, as it ends today, April 21...

10 % Coupon code http://www.licenseplates.tv

You must enter the coupon code while ordering to receive the discount. COUPON CODE: LPRG2178 

From KJENSSEN at aol.com  Mon Apr 21 12:05:44 2008
From: KJENSSEN at aol.com (KJENSSEN at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:05:44 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Euro and other plates
Message-ID: <d20.28c39785.353e3178@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/21/2008 12:29:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
sganz at pacbell.net writes:

_http://www.licenseplates.tv_ (http://www.licenseplates.tv) 
 
Also............Griot's Car Care has the European License Plates  go  to    
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word=10217&sortby=newArrivals&page=1_ 
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From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 21 12:13:27 2008
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:13:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] heater core installation
Message-ID: <589962.14083.qm@web53601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

quick questions (didnt find an answer on TE/AE site):

(1) when re-assembling the heater core, what kind of gasket/stripping do folks
use to plant the core down against the base of the "box", silicone rubber for
heat resistance?  can seem to find the right stripping, preferably
self-adhesive.  should the stripping run around the bottom hole, and also up
the back and top of the core (like in the diagram on SS web site)?

(2) for the rubber duckbill piece - is it best to install this part from within
the car, or from the box the heater core resides in?

(3) anyone hanging onto a spare duckbill they'd be willing to sell, mine was
cracked, hardened and shredded from the arizona heat

thks!
peter

Peter Laurinaitis
peter.laurinaitis.wg02 at wharton.upenn.edu

From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 21 12:22:14 2008
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:22:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] LAT 79 hood hold downs
Message-ID: <948363.5589.qm@web53612.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

question for those who have a LAT 79 hood...

i am getting one installed on my car (kent wilcox hood), but have heard that at
highway speeds the rear corners start to bounce up and down with air trying to
escape, and other than maybe some annoying noise, the concern is the center
catch might start to stress the fiberglass where the catch mounts to.

i have seen folks install instead a catch at each of the rear corners, like
this...

http://www.jegs.com/i/Mr.%20Gasket/720/1472/10002/-1

...for those with LAT hoods, have you experienced the rear corner bounce and
would you recommend going for mounts at each rear corner instead of just the
center catch that is OEM?

thks
peter


Peter Laurinaitis
peter.laurinaitis.wg02 at wharton.upenn.edu

From Greg.Koss at TRW.COM  Mon Apr 21 12:28:47 2008
From: Greg.Koss at TRW.COM (Greg Koss)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:28:47 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] LAT 79 hood hold downs
In-Reply-To: <948363.5589.qm@web53612.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <948363.5589.qm@web53612.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <480CA4A0.880C.0076.0@TRW.COM>

There are adjustable rubber bumpers at the rear corners.

>>> Peter Laurinaitis <laurin212 at yahoo.com> 4/21/2008 2:22 PM >>>
question for those who have a LAT 79 hood...

i am getting one installed on my car (kent wilcox hood), but have heard that
at
highway speeds the rear corners start to bounce up and down with air trying
to
escape, and other than maybe some annoying noise, the concern is the center
catch might start to stress the fiberglass where the catch mounts to.

i have seen folks install instead a catch at each of the rear corners, like
this...

http://www.jegs.com/i/Mr.%20Gasket/720/1472/10002/-1

...for those with LAT hoods, have you experienced the rear corner bounce and
would you recommend going for mounts at each rear corner instead of just the
center catch that is OEM?

thks
peter


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From Greg.Koss at TRW.COM  Mon Apr 21 12:29:28 2008
From: Greg.Koss at TRW.COM (Greg Koss)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:29:28 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] LAT 79 hood hold downs
Message-ID: <480CA4C8.880C.0076.0@TRW.COM>

There are adjustable rubber bumpers at the rear corners.

>>> Peter Laurinaitis <laurin212 at yahoo.com> 4/21/2008 2:22 PM >>>
question for those who have a LAT 79 hood...

i am getting one installed on my car (kent wilcox hood), but have heard that
at
highway speeds the rear corners start to bounce up and down with air trying
to
escape, and other than maybe some annoying noise, the concern is the center
catch might start to stress the fiberglass where the catch mounts to.

i have seen folks install instead a catch at each of the rear corners, like
this...

http://www.jegs.com/i/Mr. Gasket/720/1472/10002/ (
http://www.jegs.com/i/Mr.%20Gasket/720/1472/10002/ )-1

...for those with LAT hoods, have you experienced the rear corner bounce and
would you recommend going for mounts at each rear corner instead of just the
center catch that is OEM?

thks
peter


Peter Laurinaitis
peter.laurinaitis.wg02 at wharton.upenn.edu

From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 21 12:51:40 2008
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:51:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] heater core installation
Message-ID: <883689.73533.qm@web53611.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

oops, let me clarify one thing, i am looking for the entire rubber assembly
that connects the blower to the heater core box, not just the duckbill

thks
peter

--- Peter Laurinaitis <laurin212 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> quick questions (didnt find an answer on TE/AE site):
> 
> (1) when re-assembling the heater core, what kind of gasket/stripping do
> folks
> use to plant the core down against the base of the "box", silicone rubber for
> heat resistance?  can seem to find the right stripping, preferably
> self-adhesive.  should the stripping run around the bottom hole, and also up
> the back and top of the core (like in the diagram on SS web site)?
> 
> (2) for the rubber duckbill piece - is it best to install this part from
> within
> the car, or from the box the heater core resides in?
> 
> (3) anyone hanging onto a spare duckbill they'd be willing to sell, mine was
> cracked, hardened and shredded from the arizona heat
> 
> thks!
> peter
> 
> Peter Laurinaitis
> peter.laurinaitis.wg02 at wharton.upenn.edu
> 


Peter Laurinaitis
peter.laurinaitis.wg02 at wharton.upenn.edu

From robin02 at mindspring.com  Mon Apr 21 13:31:28 2008
From: robin02 at mindspring.com (RObin Young)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:31:28 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] heater core installation
In-Reply-To: <883689.73533.qm@web53611.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <883689.73533.qm@web53611.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <007301c8a3e6$4c433e60$6601a8c0@RobinLaptop>

oops, let me clarify one thing, i am looking for the entire rubber assembly
that connects the blower to the heater core box, not just the duckbill

thks
Peter

Peter, mine was as you described yours, brittle and cracked.  Since none
were available, I used rubber cement and rubber sheets to patch it together.
This worked fairly well and the cement gave the piece some temporary
softness instead of brittleness. Robin Young

From mmichels at socal.rr.com  Mon Apr 21 13:33:08 2008
From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (mmichels at socal.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:33:08 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Knott's Ford Show
Message-ID: <31232131.1570151208806388941.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web12-z02>

I think another reason might be that this month has seen a lot of C.A.T. events, in fact three out of four weekends, so some of us needed to take care of household duties or head to the Grand Prix in L.B. 
---- Sandy Ganz <sganz at pacbell.net> wrote: 
> I went as well. I think they should just change out the name of the show to the Mustang show, nothing wrong with that, but I don't need to see 300 late models and ton of 5.oh's. Still some good cars, just not much compared to the amount of stang's
> 
> Sandy
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Thomas Witt <atwittsend at verizon.net>
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:07:53 AM
> Subject: [Tigers] Knott's Ford Show
> 
> Hi,
> I went to the Knott's Ford Car Show this weekend.  I'm not complaining, just
> curious.  There was only one 'real' Tiger (a survivor with lots of
> "patina")and a nicely done Alger.  Is there a boycott of the event?  In part I
> went to see my Pinto brethren, so I had a nice day. I just thought I would see
> more Tigers (or even an Alpine - well..., I sort of did) given the number of
> Tigers in the general area.
> 
> Tom
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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Mon Apr 21 13:54:10 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:54:10 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] LAT 79 hood hold downs
In-Reply-To: <948363.5589.qm@web53612.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <948363.5589.qm@web53612.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <480CF0E2.3080605@SoCal.rr.com>

Peter,

My LAT hood has metal threaded plates embedded to hold the hood down 
with the stock latches, and for the front hinge mounting. 

Due to increased thickness of the "glass" hood the front hinge mounts 
may need some adjusting shims removed (save them and the original hood 
in case your heirs want to sell it)  Another "adjustment" needed is to 
shave down the "rubber baby buggy bumpers" on the sides to allow for 
thickness changes.

Never had a problem with these adjustment is place.

Steve

___
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Editor - TigersUnited.com



Peter Laurinaitis wrote:
> question for those who have a LAT 79 hood...
>
> i am getting one installed on my car (kent wilcox hood), but have heard that at
> highway speeds the rear corners start to bounce up and down with air trying to
> escape, and other than maybe some annoying noise, the concern is the center
> catch might start to stress the fiberglass where the catch mounts to.
>
> i have seen folks install instead a catch at each of the rear corners, like
> this...
>
> http://www.jegs.com/i/Mr.%20Gasket/720/1472/10002/-1
>
> ...for those with LAT hoods, have you experienced the rear corner bounce and
> would you recommend going for mounts at each rear corner instead of just the
> center catch that is OEM?
>
> thks
> peter

From mrlau at charter.net  Mon Apr 21 14:43:32 2008
From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:43:32 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] heater core installation
In-Reply-To: <007301c8a3e6$4c433e60$6601a8c0@RobinLaptop>
Message-ID: <20080421204353.FSPN3194.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark>

I'm not familiar with what the piece you are looking for is shaped like but
it is possible to take some of the new Styrofoam and carve it to whatever
shape you want.  It can even be glued together if the shape is odd or if you
make a mistake and don't want to redo the whole thing.  An electric knife
will cut it easily.  Some of the Styrofoam's are even a little soft like is
mentioned below. -- Bill --




that connects the blower to the heater core box, not just the duckbill

thks
Peter

Peter, mine was as you described yours, brittle and cracked.  Since none
were available, I used rubber cement and rubber sheets to patch it together.
This worked fairly well and the cement gave the piece some temporary
softness instead of brittleness. Robin Young

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Mon Apr 21 16:00:37 2008
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:00:37 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Conversion
Message-ID: <480D0E85.1050207@roadrunner.com>

In the future, there will be those who will look at our cars and wonder 
"What were they thinking?"  We owe it
to future generations to not only stop the gross pollution caused by our 
Tigers but also to take them off the
road and preserve them.  It seems to me the ecologically correct 
procedure is to donate our Tigers to an auto
museum so that they can be preserved.  You can then take the tax write 
off and put it toward a crotch rocket.
They use very little precious gasoline and there would be no sacrifice 
in performance.  Does Norton make a
diesel?

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From mrlau at charter.net  Mon Apr 21 16:28:26 2008
From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:28:26 -0500
Subject: [Tigers]  Tiger Conversion
Message-ID: <20080421222846.LURP3194.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark>

This is a small part from an article about Al Gore being dissed by animal
activists on Fox News web page today.  From now on anytime we drive our
Tigers hard we need to eat a banana, peach or orange. No hamburgers or hot
dogs unless in your Prius.  -- Bill --



(((((A recent report published by the United Nations determined that raising
animals for food generates about 40 percent more greenhouse gas emissions
than all the cars, trucks, ships and planes in the world combined.

"Livestock are one of the most significant contributors to today's most
serious environmental problems," said Henning Steinfeld, chief of the Food
and Agriculture Organization's Livestock Information and Policy branch and
senior author of the report. Urgent action is required to remedy the
situation."))))))




In the future, there will be those who will look at our cars and wonder 
"What were they thinking?"  We owe it
to future generations to not only stop the gross pollution caused by our 
Tigers but also to take them off the
road and preserve them.  It seems to me the ecologically correct 
procedure is to donate our Tigers to an auto
museum so that they can be preserved.  You can then take the tax write 
off and put it toward a crotch rocket.
They use very little precious gasoline and there would be no sacrifice 
in performance.  Does Norton make a
diesel?

Tod
B382002384LRXFE
_______________________________________________

From Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com  Mon Apr 21 16:31:49 2008
From: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com (Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:31:49 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Conversion (Norton Diesel)
Message-ID: <OFD7C58D29.B1447F39-ON88257432.007B8DE6-88257432.007BA212@countrywide.com>

While I don't know if Norton makes a diesel, I'm figuring this bike ought 
to be a good hybrid!

http://thekneeslider.com/images/ptrikedetail.jpg

Tod wrote:

In the future, there will be those who will look at our cars and wonder 
"What were they thinking?"  We owe it
to future generations to not only stop the gross pollution caused by our 
Tigers but also to take them off the
road and preserve them.  It seems to me the ecologically correct 
procedure is to donate our Tigers to an auto
museum so that they can be preserved.  You can then take the tax write 
off and put it toward a crotch rocket.
They use very little precious gasoline and there would be no sacrifice 
in performance.  Does Norton make a
diesel?


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From rande at thecia.net  Mon Apr 21 17:34:38 2008
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:34:38 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] norton
Message-ID: <480d248e.6a11.0@thecia.net>

..."  It seems to me the ecologically correct 
procedure is to donate our Tigers to an auto
museum so that they can be preserved.  You can then take the tax write 
off and put it toward a crotch rocket.
They use very little precious gasoline and there would be no sacrifice 
in performance.  Does Norton make a
diesel?"

And if you strike out with him, see if Ralph Kramden...Oh, wait a minute, wrong
user group..bye.

From DJoh797014 at aol.com  Mon Apr 21 17:38:41 2008
From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:38:41 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] heater core installation
Message-ID: <ce7.26494ce2.353e7f81@aol.com>

Pete
 
Any hardware store sells foam window insulation in 1/2 or 3/4 wide  rolls
sticky on one side.  Wrap it around the core and you're  done.  Dont
use adhesive to stick it to the bottom.  How would you remove  the
next time?
 
SS use to sell the gasket that goes under the bonnet latch.  If  not
make one.
 
Sorry no duckbill here.
 
Dave
 
 
In a message dated 4/21/2008 1:23:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
laurin212 at yahoo.com writes:

quick  questions (didnt find an answer on TE/AE site):

(1) when re-assembling  the heater core, what kind of gasket/stripping do 
folks
use to plant the  core down against the base of the "box", silicone rubber for
heat  resistance?  can seem to find the right stripping,  preferably
self-adhesive.  should the stripping run around the bottom  hole, and also up
the back and top of the core (like in the diagram on SS  web site)?

(2) for the rubber duckbill piece - is it best to install  this part from 
within
the car, or from the box the heater core resides  in?

(3) anyone hanging onto a spare duckbill they'd be willing to sell,  mine was
cracked, hardened and shredded from the arizona  heat

thks!
peter

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From jteepen at usatoday.com  Mon Apr 21 19:16:28 2008
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:16:28 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] heater core installation
In-Reply-To: <ce7.26494ce2.353e7f81@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C51FB27096A91445A83B807489D006C322829C@usat-vocex21.usatoday.us.ad.gannett.com>

 Regarding the duckbill drains, Kip Motors (kipkotors.com) has them
available (not cheap, but available!).  They specialize in Nash
Metropolitans, London Taxis, and Orphaned marques, one of which is their
burgeoning Sunbeam parts.  In addition to the duckbills, they are also
offering Series IV, V, and Tiger front marker lights that are complete
units, plus lots of other items.  Looking through their online catalog,
I did not see either item listed, but they are both relatively new to
the market.  Their phone number is on their webpage for specifics.

Happy hunting!

Jere

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces+jteepen=usatoday.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
DJoh797014 at aol.com
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 4:39 PM
To: peter.laurinaitis.wg02 at wharton.upenn.edu; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] heater core installation

Pete

Any hardware store sells foam window insulation in 1/2 or 3/4 wide
rolls sticky on one side.  Wrap it around the core and you're  done.
Dont use adhesive to stick it to the bottom.  How would you remove  the
next time?

SS use to sell the gasket that goes under the bonnet latch.  If  not
make one.

Sorry no duckbill here.

Dave


In a message dated 4/21/2008 1:23:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
laurin212 at yahoo.com writes:

quick  questions (didnt find an answer on TE/AE site):

(1) when re-assembling  the heater core, what kind of gasket/stripping
do folks use to plant the  core down against the base of the "box",
silicone rubber for heat  resistance?  can seem to find the right
stripping,  preferably self-adhesive.  should the stripping run around
the bottom  hole, and also up the back and top of the core (like in the
diagram on SS  web site)?

(2) for the rubber duckbill piece - is it best to install  this part
from within the car, or from the box the heater core resides  in?

(3) anyone hanging onto a spare duckbill they'd be willing to sell,
mine was cracked, hardened and shredded from the arizona  heat

thks!
peter

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From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Mon Apr 21 20:00:15 2008
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:00:15 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Conversion (Norton Diesel)
In-Reply-To: <OFD7C58D29.B1447F39-ON88257432.007B8DE6-88257432.007BA212@countrywide.com>
References: <OFD7C58D29.B1447F39-ON88257432.007B8DE6-88257432.007BA212@countrywide.com>
Message-ID: <480D46AF.8090002@roadrunner.com>

Jay:

Not exactly what I had in mind!  I don't think it would be too 
economical.  I have a cousin who
lives in New Mexico who used to build such things, but I think he gave 
it up.  The one in the
pic looks to be a 6 cylinder (a Porsche?), but my cousin used Chevy 
V8's!  Seems like GM
made some 8-cylinder diesels a while back.  Maybe that would be the ticket.

Cheers,

Tod

Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com wrote:
> While I don't know if Norton makes a diesel, I'm figuring this bike ought 
> to be a good hybrid!
>
> http://thekneeslider.com/images/ptrikedetail.jpg
>
> Tod wrote:
>
> In the future, there will be those who will look at our cars and wonder 
> "What were they thinking?"  We owe it
> to future generations to not only stop the gross pollution caused by our 
> Tigers but also to take them off the
> road and preserve them.  It seems to me the ecologically correct 
> procedure is to donate our Tigers to an auto
> museum so that they can be preserved.  You can then take the tax write 
> off and put it toward a crotch rocket.
> They use very little precious gasoline and there would be no sacrifice 
> in performance.  Does Norton make a
> diesel?
>
>
> ======================================================================
>
> Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in and transmitted with this communication is strictly confidential, is intended only for the use of the intended recipient, and is the property of Countrywide Financial Corporation or its affiliates and subsidiaries.  If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of the information contained in or transmitted with the communication or dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited by law.  If you have received this communication in error, please immediately return this communication to the sender and delete the original message and any copy of it in your possession.
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Mon Apr 21 20:17:51 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:17:51 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Conversion (Norton Diesel)
In-Reply-To: <480D46AF.8090002@roadrunner.com>
References: <OFD7C58D29.B1447F39-ON88257432.007B8DE6-88257432.007BA212@countrywide.com>
	<480D46AF.8090002@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <480D4ACF.9080308@mayfco.com>

Man, just visualizing a GM V8 diesel powered bike... can you imagine 
kick starting it, lol!  No tranny required, just direct drive and a 
clutch. Tipping it oven on ya when getting on or off would likely be 
fatal! The trike with the boxster type engine was nifty though..

mayf
Tod Brown wrote:

>Jay:
>
>Not exactly what I had in mind!  I don't think it would be too 
>economical.  I have a cousin who
>lives in New Mexico who used to build such things, but I think he gave 
>it up.  The one in the
>pic looks to be a 6 cylinder (a Porsche?), but my cousin used Chevy 
>V8's!  Seems like GM
>made some 8-cylinder diesels a while back.  Maybe that would be the ticket.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Tod
>
>Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com wrote:
>  
>
>>While I don't know if Norton makes a diesel, I'm figuring this bike ought 
>>to be a good hybrid!
>>
>>http://thekneeslider.com/images/ptrikedetail.jpg
>>
>>Tod wrote:
>>
>>In the future, there will be those who will look at our cars and wonder 
>>"What were they thinking?"  We owe it
>>to future generations to not only stop the gross pollution caused by our 
>>Tigers but also to take them off the
>>road and preserve them.  It seems to me the ecologically correct 
>>procedure is to donate our Tigers to an auto
>>museum so that they can be preserved.  You can then take the tax write 
>>off and put it toward a crotch rocket.
>>They use very little precious gasoline and there would be no sacrifice 
>>in performance.  Does Norton make a
>>diesel?
>>
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From tsmit at shaw.ca  Mon Apr 21 20:59:49 2008
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:59:49 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Conversion (Norton Diesel)
In-Reply-To: <480D4ACF.9080308@mayfco.com>
References: <OFD7C58D29.B1447F39-ON88257432.007B8DE6-88257432.007BA212@countrywide.com>
	<480D46AF.8090002@roadrunner.com> <480D4ACF.9080308@mayfco.com>
Message-ID: <480D54A5.70007@shaw.ca>

This is getting(?) off topic, but it's got a V8 and I still have to 
laugh when I watch this video.
http://www.compfused.com/directlink/154/

Theo

drmayf wrote:
> Man, just visualizing a GM V8 diesel powered bike... can you imagine 
> kick starting it, lol!  No tranny required, just direct drive and a 
> clutch. Tipping it oven on ya when getting on or off would likely be 
> fatal! The trike with the boxster type engine was nifty though..
>
> mayf

From shutchin at netjets.com  Tue Apr 22 04:44:12 2008
From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:44:12 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Conversion (Norton Diesel)
Message-ID: <E923BF0D7326E745804634650F439C5B014EE4CA@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>

I love stuff like this. 

There was a guy in australia who sliced two cylinders off the end of a Rolls Royce Merlin aircraft engine (they were installed on P-51 Mustangs among other aircraft) and wedged them into a custom frame. 

2 cylinders and 5.0ltrs displacement. 



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From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk  Mon Apr 21 16:49:27 2008
From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:49:27 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Conversion
In-Reply-To: <480D0E85.1050207@roadrunner.com>
References: <480D0E85.1050207@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <bFNgQXH3nRDIFwxS@v8tiger.demon.co.uk>

There is of course the non manufacturer/ CUBAN view.

The cars we have are made and cost almost zero carbon footprint to keep 
maintained and running.

They may of course emit a few extra pounds of carbon footprint than a 
lean mean modern machine fresh on the auto dealers floor, but guess what 
- there's a whole smog emittin factory behind those.............

In Europe they are now considering how they recycle the cars they are 
making today   and making big marketing claims about it - surely its 
better to keep them running !

Keep on Sunbeamin, its the green way to go !

Jeff








In message <480D0E85.1050207 at roadrunner.com>, Tod Brown 
<todbrown at roadrunner.com> writes
>In the future, there will be those who will look at our cars and wonder
>"What were they thinking?"  We owe it
>to future generations to not only stop the gross pollution caused by our
>Tigers but also to take them off the
>road and preserve them.  It seems to me the ecologically correct
>procedure is to donate our Tigers to an auto
>museum so that they can be preserved.  You can then take the tax write
>off and put it toward a crotch rocket.
>They use very little precious gasoline and there would be no sacrifice
>in performance.  Does Norton make a
>diesel?
>
>Tod
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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Tue Apr 22 06:09:20 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:09:20 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Conversion
In-Reply-To: <bFNgQXH3nRDIFwxS@v8tiger.demon.co.uk>
References: <480D0E85.1050207@roadrunner.com>
	<bFNgQXH3nRDIFwxS@v8tiger.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <39a841b0804220509u529d7727y5eda0ba1d071290b@mail.gmail.com>

i'm sure i've mentioned before my colleague with Toyata Pious who said
i was an environmental hypocrite for driving a 5l V8.  well it turns
out he's such a couch potato that he spends more money on (regular)
gas each year than i do on premium.

although i imagine i'd have to use gallons instead of money to still
win that one since moving the the UK :(


On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Jeff Howarth <jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> There is of course the non manufacturer/ CUBAN view.
>
>  The cars we have are made and cost almost zero carbon footprint to keep
>  maintained and running.
>
>  They may of course emit a few extra pounds of carbon footprint than a
>  lean mean modern machine fresh on the auto dealers floor, but guess what
>  - there's a whole smog emittin factory behind those.............
>
>  In Europe they are now considering how they recycle the cars they are
>  making today   and making big marketing claims about it - surely its
>  better to keep them running !
>
>  Keep on Sunbeamin, its the green way to go !
>
>  Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  In message <480D0E85.1050207 at roadrunner.com>, Tod Brown
>  <todbrown at roadrunner.com> writes
>
> >In the future, there will be those who will look at our cars and wonder
>  >"What were they thinking?"  We owe it
>  >to future generations to not only stop the gross pollution caused by our
>  >Tigers but also to take them off the
>  >road and preserve them.  It seems to me the ecologically correct
>  >procedure is to donate our Tigers to an auto
>  >museum so that they can be preserved.  You can then take the tax write
>  >off and put it toward a crotch rocket.
>  >They use very little precious gasoline and there would be no sacrifice
>  >in performance.  Does Norton make a
>  >diesel?
>  >
>  >Tod
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From walmenke at bigpond.net.au  Tue Apr 22 06:20:30 2008
From: walmenke at bigpond.net.au (Wally Menke)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:20:30 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Valve cover clearance??
In-Reply-To: <E923BF0D7326E745804634650F439C5B014EE4B4@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>
References: <E923BF0D7326E745804634650F439C5B014EE4B4@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>
Message-ID: <001701c8a473$41be6450$c53b2cf0$@net.au>

Actually Rick & Richard can make these up without the baffles fitted as they
assemble these to order with the bits they have. Will save you knocking them
out. What also works is using 2 x gaskets each side.

Wally Menke


-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces+walmenke=bigpond.net.au at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces+walmenke=bigpond.net.au at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Scott Hutchinson
Sent: Sunday, 20 April 2008 1:12 AM
To: CoolVT at aol.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Valve cover clearance??

But the 'Tiger' ones from Rick and knock out the baffles. 



Scott Hutchinson
Director of Operations
Netjets Large Aircraft

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Tue Apr 22 08:07:46 2008
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:07:46 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Conversion (Norton Diesel)
In-Reply-To: <480D54A5.70007@shaw.ca>
References: <OFD7C58D29.B1447F39-ON88257432.007B8DE6-88257432.007BA212@countrywide.com>
	<480D46AF.8090002@roadrunner.com> <480D4ACF.9080308@mayfco.com>
	<480D54A5.70007@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <480DF132.5090909@roadrunner.com>

Theo:

That is sooooo cool!  I want one.  I've got this 60 ft spruce....

Tod


Theo Smit wrote:
> This is getting(?) off topic, but it's got a V8 and I still have to 
> laugh when I watch this video.
> http://www.compfused.com/directlink/154/
>
> Theo
>
> drmayf wrote:
>> Man, just visualizing a GM V8 diesel powered bike... can you imagine 
>> kick starting it, lol!  No tranny required, just direct drive and a 
>> clutch. Tipping it oven on ya when getting on or off would likely be 
>> fatal! The trike with the boxster type engine was nifty though..
>>
>> mayf

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Tue Apr 22 08:16:50 2008
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:16:50 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Conversion (Norton Diesel)
In-Reply-To: <E923BF0D7326E745804634650F439C5B014EE4CA@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>
References: <E923BF0D7326E745804634650F439C5B014EE4CA@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>
Message-ID: <480DF352.9030107@roadrunner.com>

"they were installed on P-51 Mustangs among other aircraft" 

Yeah, like Spitfires and Hurricanes and even Lancasters.  What amazing 
pieces of machinery.  There is one at the Owls Head Transportation 
Museum not far from where I live.

Tod



Scott Hutchinson wrote:
> I love stuff like this. 
>
> There was a guy in australia who sliced two cylinders off the end of a Rolls Royce Merlin aircraft engine (they were installed on P-51 Mustangs among other aircraft) and wedged them into a custom frame. 
>
> 2 cylinders and 5.0ltrs displacement. 
>
>
>
> Scott Hutchinson
> Director of Operations
> Netjets Large Aircraft
>
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> Mobile 843.290.2805
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From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Tue Apr 22 08:23:11 2008
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:23:11 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers (Norton)
Message-ID: <480DF4CF.1090900@roadrunner.com>

Rande:

Kramden does make a diesel!  It runs on sewer gas.  ;>)

Tod

From marcsmall at comcast.net  Tue Apr 22 08:31:01 2008
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:31:01 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Merlin Engines
In-Reply-To: <480DF352.9030107@roadrunner.com>
References: <E923BF0D7326E745804634650F439C5B014EE4CA@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>
	<480DF352.9030107@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <20080422153730.C7527187651@autox.team.net>

At 10:16 AM 4/22/2008, Tod Brown wrote:
 >"they were installed on P-51 Mustangs among other aircraft"
 >
 >Yeah, like Spitfires and Hurricanes and even Lancasters.  What amazing
 >pieces of machinery.  There is one at the Owls Head Transportation
 >Museum not far from where I live.
 >


Well, the Rolls-Royce Merlin was never installed
in a production P-51.  The Mustangs had the
Packard version of the Merlin which differed in a
number of ways from the RR original.

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!

From shutchin at netjets.com  Tue Apr 22 08:55:14 2008
From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:55:14 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Merlin Engines
In-Reply-To: <CMHPRDOWA01pYC98Bi80001d6dd@CMHPRDOWA01.netjets.com>
References: <E923BF0D7326E745804634650F439C5B014EE4CA@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com><480DF352.9030107@roadrunner.com>
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Message-ID: <E923BF0D7326E745804634650F439C5B014EE4CE@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>

Kinda a semantics issue.

I'm sure the Rolls-Royce guys would say that they were built by Packard under
licence.

I think Ford was building B-24s.  Does that mean that they weren't
Consolidateds?


http://www.enginehistory.org/Packard/jpgs/Merlin%20V-1650%20data%20plate,%20l
ate%20style.jpg


http://www.aviation-history.com/engines/merlin.htm


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Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:31 AM
To: Tod Brown; Scott Hutchinson
Cc: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Merlin Engines

At 10:16 AM 4/22/2008, Tod Brown wrote:
 >"they were installed on P-51 Mustangs among other aircraft"
 >
 >Yeah, like Spitfires and Hurricanes and even Lancasters.  What amazing
 >pieces of machinery.  There is one at the Owls Head Transportation
 >Museum not far from where I live.
 >


Well, the Rolls-Royce Merlin was never installed
in a production P-51.  The Mustangs had the
Packard version of the Merlin which differed in a
number of ways from the RR original.

Marc


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Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!


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From marcsmall at comcast.net  Tue Apr 22 09:06:20 2008
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:06:20 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Merlin Engines
In-Reply-To: <E923BF0D7326E745804634650F439C5B014EE4CE@cmhprdexc03.netje
	ts.com>
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	<480DF352.9030107@roadrunner.com>
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At 10:55 AM 4/22/2008, Scott Hutchinson wrote:
 >
 >Kinda a semantics issue.
 >
 >I'm sure the Rolls-Royce guys would say that they were built by
 >Packard under licence.
 >
 >I think Ford was building B-24s.  Does that mean that they weren't
 >Consolidateds?

These are two completely different
issues.  Aircraft designed by one manufacturer
but built by another -- and both Douglas and
North American built B-24's as did Ford -- were
subject to direct inspection by engineers from
the prime contractor and they were not allowed to
vary from the plans supplied by the prime contractor.

The Packard Merlin was substantially derived and
developed from the Rolls Royce original.  Yes,
license fees were paid but, in the end, Rolls
Royce adopted some of Packard's amendments to
their design and paid Packard when they adopted
these for the later versions of the engine.  One
primary change was the reduction in quality when
Whitworth bolts were replaced by the less capable
UN threads but there were a bunch of other
variations, most adopted to fit the engine to US
production techniques.  There were no Rolls Royce
inspectors on the Packard assembly line.

Marc


msmall at aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir!

From shutchin at netjets.com  Tue Apr 22 09:11:55 2008
From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:11:55 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Merlin Engines
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Ya learn somethin' new everyday.

Thanks for the info.


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From jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk  Tue Apr 22 08:50:39 2008
From: jeff at v8tiger.demon.co.uk (Jeff Howarth)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:50:39 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Merlin Engines
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You have of course seen the Merlin engined tiger :


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/kbd23c/v24prototype.jpg


lol

Jeff

In message <20080422153730.C7527187651 at autox.team.net>, Marc James Small 
<marcsmall at comcast.net> writes
>At 10:16 AM 4/22/2008, Tod Brown wrote:
> >"they were installed on P-51 Mustangs among other aircraft"
> >
> >Yeah, like Spitfires and Hurricanes and even Lancasters.  What amazing
> >pieces of machinery.  There is one at the Owls Head Transportation
> >Museum not far from where I live.
> >
>
>
>Well, the Rolls-Royce Merlin was never installed
>in a production P-51.  The Mustangs had the
>Packard version of the Merlin which differed in a
>number of ways from the RR original.
>
>Marc
>
>
>msmall at aya.yale.edu
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From shutchin at netjets.com  Tue Apr 22 09:22:05 2008
From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:22:05 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Merlin Engines
In-Reply-To: <AK$WzXC$sfDIFwzu@v8tiger.demon.co.uk>
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It would help with some of the short wheelbase issues as well..

Really this would be perfect for those Salt Flat runs mayf.  You could
run the boost up to 120 inches or so and really move out.



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From CoolVT at aol.com  Tue Apr 22 09:31:41 2008
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:31:41 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Merlin Engines
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That may look crazy, but hold your hand over the portion just in  front of 
the front wheel. The balance of the stretch makes one nice looking car  (in my 
opinion).
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From crbernardino at mac.com  Tue Apr 22 09:38:53 2008
From: crbernardino at mac.com (crbernardino at mac.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:38:53 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Non factory seats in tiger
Message-ID: <451422346-1208878722-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1848486306-@bxe152.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Anyone have experience or suggestions for non factory seats? My seats are falling apart at the seams and I would not mind extra lateral support and a head rest in this daily driver.
Thanks
Rob in CT
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From mark.rense at ge.com  Tue Apr 22 10:02:41 2008
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd))
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:02:41 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] norton
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Message-ID: <F039BAF0D766724ABE5A33EEDB320E5A045CA310@LOUMLVEM03.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Fun Facts:
Norton Motorcycles went out of business in 1976. I have owned many of
them, mostly Commandos. Ralph Kramden never rode one.
The "new" Norton Motors did not make it into the production stage, Kenny
Dreer never got enough money to start production.
You can get an Enfield made in India with a diesel engine, you measure 0
to 60 times with a calendar.
The US Army has diesel-powered dirt bikes based on Kawasaki KLR650s,
they now require all vehicles to run on one fuel.

If you want to see a production motorcycle which uses an American V-8,
just Google "Boss Hoss".

As a long time motorcyclist, former pro racer, and avid "crotch-rocket"
owner, I can tell you that the majority of motorcycles sold today are
geared towards performance, not economy. A Prius or Echo gets better
mileage than most bikes bigger than 500cc.

Bikes that do get over 50 mpg are small displacement (400 cc or
smaller), some exceptions are the smaller "cruiser class" vee-twins from
the Big Four. But who wants to tackle I-70 semi traffic on a minibike,
or worse, a scooter?

My 1200cc BMW gets low-40's mpg whether touring or sport riding, my
1000cc Ducati about 14 mpg on the track, the ZRX1200 about mid-30's on
the street. My vintage Norton 850 can get 45 mpg, but that's negated by
the oil constantly oozing out of the engine, primary, and transmission
cases.

As for giving my Tiger up and putting it into a museum, bite me.

Bugz
:>0

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[mailto:tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
rande
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 7:35 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] norton

..."  It seems to me the ecologically correct procedure is to donate our
Tigers to an auto museum so that they can be preserved.  You can then
take the tax write off and put it toward a crotch rocket.
They use very little precious gasoline and there would be no sacrifice
in performance.  Does Norton make a diesel?"

And if you strike out with him, see if Ralph Kramden...Oh, wait a
minute, wrong user group..bye.

From hokey at oasisol.com  Tue Apr 22 11:04:04 2008
From: hokey at oasisol.com (Mike Hokanson)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:04:04 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Non factory seats in tiger
References: <451422346-1208878722-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1848486306-@bxe152.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <005601c8a49a$df5222c0$5e320a0a@iggy>

I've done a fair amount of thinking concerning seats to use in the
fuel-injected car I'm building.  I've pretty much done away with the first
generation Toyota MR2 (sold last car a couple months ago).  I drove one for 6
years without any issues as a daily driver, but have moved on to the 'Stang
convertible and other toyz.  Believe it or not, that isn't a bad option to
utilize a pair of those bucket seats.  They came in a variety of colors, and
the seat width makes it a realistic possibility.  I kept an extra pair from a
S/C car, and they have nice fabrics as well as a ratcheting headrest and are
very comfortable and adjustable.  I drove many miles in those seats and have
no complaints.  I also have a Mazda Miata, and they have a very nice, compact
seat as well with nice support as well as factory speakers in the headrests.
Just a couple of options for consideration.  I'm sure there are other Tiger
owners out there who have come across good replacements for the custom car.
Dad used a pair of Huntmaster seats in his Tiger for quite a few years and I
thought they fit well.  One obstacle is the shoulder area width due to the
hardtop latch and that needs to be addressed when fitting seats/rails.

Mike Hokanson
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: crbernardino at mac.com
  To: Tiger Webring
  Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:38 AM
  Subject: [Tigers] Non factory seats in tiger



  Anyone have experience or suggestions for non factory seats? My seats are
falling apart at the seams and I would not mind extra lateral support and a
head rest in this daily driver.
  Thanks
  Rob in CT
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From sunbeamkarl at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 22 11:05:06 2008
From: sunbeamkarl at hotmail.com (Karl Adey)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:05:06 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Heater Water Valve
Message-ID: <BAY115-W33175F7179A801B126B48B8E00@phx.gbl>

Hey, I'm new to the list, though i've been looking at it for a few years.
Working on a MK1 with what i think is a single speed blower.  There's only one
lead other than ground coming off the blower, and the 'control lever' has the
in and out movement.  However, looking at the Workshop manual pg R-3, the hose
setup and water valve bracket are the same as figure 2, the two speed blower
layout.  Can anyone shed light on this discrepancy?
Thanks, Karl
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Tue Apr 22 12:00:51 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:00:51 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Merlin Engines
In-Reply-To: <E923BF0D7326E745804634650F439C5B014EE4D2@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>
References: <E923BF0D7326E745804634650F439C5B014EE4CA@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com><480DF352.9030107@roadrunner.com>
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	<AK$WzXC$sfDIFwzu@v8tiger.demon.co.uk>
	<E923BF0D7326E745804634650F439C5B014EE4D2@cmhprdexc03.netjets.com>
Message-ID: <480E27D3.4040102@mayfco.com>

Well, now that streeetttchhhheddd Tiger would be different on the salt 
for sure. Wheel base is an issue. When Ibuilt the Apline Race car it of 
course had an 86 inch OEM wheel base. I had started to build a drag car 
and after talking to NHRA tech chief I was convinced that the only wat 
to run in a sanctioned event was tohave a 90 inch wheel base. So that's 
what the race car is. It is not enough, lol! I can stretch teh wheel 
base to 130 inches and actually put on a streamliner front end for aero 
effect. But then it would not be a SUnbeam. So, alas, the red car will 
remain a short car.  When driving a short car at speed everything is 
twitchy because a small angular change, say the rear  of the car movers 
over a couple of inches or maye the front, then the angular difference 
is big compared to a much longer wheel base. As to a Merlin, my local 
fellow slat racer also raced P51. He said hardly any of the Merlin 
engines from abroad had truly interchangeable parts. They were 
essentially custom made. I heard a similar comment on the MIlitary 
Channel when the guys were rebuilding a SHerman tank. The mechanics were 
commenting on how well the SHerman was designed and built with all 
commonparts being interchangeable. The comments were that the brit 
equivalent would have no such thing and you would really have to work to 
assemble one from scrap parts.

120 inches of manifold pressure, eh...well, not likely in my car! It may 
not handl 60 inches. remember those numbers are manifold pressure and 
are absolute numbers. So 60 inches of mercury would equate to about 15 
psig and 120 would be a heck of a lot more! But what a dream..

mayf
Scott Hutchinson wrote:

>It would help with some of the short wheelbase issues as well..
>
>Really this would be perfect for those Salt Flat runs mayf.  You could
>run the boost up to 120 inches or so and really move out.
>
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From larryall at pacbell.net  Tue Apr 22 12:48:04 2008
From: larryall at pacbell.net (Larry Allbritton)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:48:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Non factory seats in Tiger
Message-ID: <100847.24347.qm@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Rob
  I went through this same process a couple of years ago because my wife did not like the support (lack of) from the stock seats.  I went to several junkyards and eventually settled on a pair from a 1976 Datsun 260Z.  They needed to be recovered but no problem there.
  I used some angled steel and sheet steel to fab some brackets to mount the seats. Since I did not want to drill more holes, I used the existing holes to mount these plates and then the seats mounted to the plates.  They fit perfect with just enough room for the ebrake.  They look great and have the highback for better whiplash protection as well as much more support for comfort on those occasional long journeys.  There are upholstery kits available on the internet that will make them look like new. Kits are $250.
   
  I also looked at fitting the Miata seats but could not locate any with black vinyl just lots of cloth out there.  The Miata seats will fit but would also require you to make up brackets.  Also the Miata seats have the speakers in the headrest in case you want to hear your radio at speed with the top down.
   
  let me know if you want more details/pictures on my setup.
   
  good luck
  Larry
  Message: 2
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:38:53 +0000
From: crbernardino at mac.com
Subject: [Tigers] Non factory seats in tiger
To: "Tiger Webring" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Message-ID:

 <451422346-1208878722-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1848486306- at bxe152.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
 
Content-Type: text/plain

Anyone have experience or suggestions for non factory seats? My seats
 are falling apart at the seams and I would not mind extra lateral
 support and a head rest in this daily driver.
Thanks
Rob in CT
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Tue Apr 22 12:51:21 2008
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:51:21 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Non factory seats in tiger
References: <451422346-1208878722-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1848486306-@bxe152.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <009d01c8a4a9$db73b240$0202a8c0@student2>

Rob,
  When I get to the point of installing them, I have a set on mid to late 
90's Mitsubishi Eclipse seats.  The inner seat bolsters are smaller on the 
inside edges and help with fitment. Still I will have to fabricate mounts 
for them.  Aside from finding seats with a narrow enough seat cushion, the 
depth of the seat back is aesthetically important.  Too many seats look like 
a Baq -O- lounger in the Tiger because of the visual depth of the seat back.
Tom 

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Tue Apr 22 13:06:08 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:06:08 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Factory Seats
In-Reply-To: <100847.24347.qm@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <100847.24347.qm@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <480E3720.4030204@SoCal.rr.com>

Tigers,

Just a note for those that like (or want) the "original" seats.

I was able to purchase some quick release ball detent aircraft pins, 
from a boat (or surplus) store.  2 per side. They replace the front 
horizontal pivoting bolts with the pins (no drilling, or modification 
required).

Mount them through the existing holes from underneath the seat toward 
the outside, so you can insert or remove them from the track easily.

Push-button ball detents allow you to quickly remove either seat.

http://www.jergensinc.com/pins.aspx?source=search_engine

Work great if you ever have to get under the dash.

Steve

Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com

From fastsage at cox.net  Tue Apr 22 13:57:54 2008
From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:57:54 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Factory Seats
In-Reply-To: <480E3720.4030204@SoCal.rr.com>
References: <100847.24347.qm@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<480E3720.4030204@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <480E4342.2020206@cox.net>

Hello Steve:
Great idea. Do you have the dimensions for the pins you use? The web 
site has lots of choices.

Steve Sage




Steve Laifman wrote:
> Tigers,
>
> Just a note for those that like (or want) the "original" seats.
>
> I was able to purchase some quick release ball detent aircraft pins, 
> from a boat (or surplus) store.  2 per side. They replace the front 
> horizontal pivoting bolts with the pins (no drilling, or modification 
> required).
>
> Mount them through the existing holes from underneath the seat toward 
> the outside, so you can insert or remove them from the track easily.
>
> Push-button ball detents allow you to quickly remove either seat.
>
> http://www.jergensinc.com/pins.aspx?source=search_engine
>
> Work great if you ever have to get under the dash.
>
> Steve
>
> Steve Laifman
> Editor - TigersUnited.com
> _______________________________________________
>   





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From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Tue Apr 22 14:04:03 2008
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:04:03 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers (Norton)
Message-ID: <480E44B3.9040707@roadrunner.com>

Mark:

Take a deep breath.  It was a joke!  I am not about to give up my Tiger, 
either.  Given the
number of Tigers remaining and the small amount they get driven, wiping 
them out would
have a rather small effect on the situation and the world would be a 
poorer place because
of it.  My point was that environmental sensitivity can sometimes lead 
to weird choices at
the sacrifice of other important considerations.

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From cmccann at lwpb.com  Tue Apr 22 14:26:04 2008
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:26:04 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers (Norton)
In-Reply-To: <480E44B3.9040707@roadrunner.com>
References: <480E44B3.9040707@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <D8223A11C9357D4891EA3884907F708682B72B@lwpb-email1.LWPB.local>

I have been watching you guys chat about all this economic stuff for
awhile, and feel like I should contribute something we all know but
maybe it will help to mention it.
I try to imagine what it would be like having this conversation in
person, and not by email, because I'll bet if we were all standing in a
room discussing it, we would all be laughing and kidding around, or at
least know when we are about to hit a nerve and most of us would stop
short of that point.....My point is that email doesn't allow for the
mannerisms, body language and subtleties that serve as indicators for
most of us in conversational chemistry. (I'm making myself really sound
smart now) I just hate seeing people step on each others toes during
email because I always think that if the people in question had been
discussing it in person, they could have distinguished between a joke
and something serious, or when the conversation is starting to be taking
wrong.....or make someone angry.

So, in conclusion.....even though there is some good info being
discussed about the effects of our hobby on the environment and the
future of it all, I think everyone is mostly joking. If not, meet me at
the bike rack after school and we will settle this once and for all...

;)

Cullen
B382001452

From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 22 16:23:02 2008
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary Crandall)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:23:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Factory Seats
In-Reply-To: <480E3720.4030204@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <121897.23677.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I use the quick release pins, too. Makes seat removal a breeze. I have the 1/4" T-handle Kwik-locs.
   
  Gary

Steve Laifman <SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com> wrote:
  Tigers,

Just a note for those that like (or want) the "original" seats.

I was able to purchase some quick release ball detent aircraft pins, 
from a boat (or surplus) store. 2 per side. They replace the front 
horizontal pivoting bolts with the pins (no drilling, or modification 
required).

Mount them through the existing holes from underneath the seat toward 
the outside, so you can insert or remove them from the track easily.

Push-button ball detents allow you to quickly remove either seat.

http://www.jergensinc.com/pins.aspx?source=search_engine

Work great if you ever have to get under the dash.

Steve

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From maliburevue at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 22 16:28:15 2008
From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary Crandall)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:28:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Non factory seats in Tiger
In-Reply-To: <100847.24347.qm@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <866288.27621.qm@web33203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My first Tiger had 240Z seats. I liked them alot and they fit fairly easily. Same type of mounting scheme as Larry used. I could slide them back quite far while driving, and slide them forward and recliine them quite far as a passenger. I used to be able to get 4 college kids in that Tiger for drives up the canyon on summer days.
   
  Gary

Larry Allbritton <larryall at pacbell.net> wrote:
  Hi Rob
I went through this same process a couple of years ago because my wife did not like the support (lack of) from the stock seats. I went to several junkyards and eventually settled on a pair from a 1976 Datsun 260Z. They needed to be recovered but no problem there.
I used some angled steel and sheet steel to fab some brackets to mount the seats. Since I did not want to drill more holes, I used the existing holes to mount these plates and then the seats mounted to the plates. They fit perfect with just enough room for the ebrake. They look great and have the highback for better whiplash protection as well as much more support for comfort on those occasional long journeys. There are upholstery kits available on the internet that will make them look like new. Kits are $250.

I also looked at fitting the Miata seats but could not locate any with black vinyl just lots of cloth out there. The Miata seats will fit but would also require you to make up brackets. Also the Miata seats have the speakers in the headrest in case you want to hear your radio at speed with the top down.

let me know if you want more details/pictures on my setup.

good luck
Larry
Message: 2
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:38:53 +0000
From: crbernardino at mac.com
Subject: [Tigers] Non factory seats in tiger
To: "Tiger Webring" 
Message-ID:

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Content-Type: text/plain

Anyone have experience or suggestions for non factory seats? My seats
are falling apart at the seams and I would not mind extra lateral
support and a head rest in this daily driver.
Thanks
Rob in CT
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From MWood24020 at aol.com  Tue Apr 22 16:57:12 2008
From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:57:12 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Non factory seats in Tiger
Message-ID: <c36.2a038b7c.353fc748@aol.com>

While the support of more modern, high back seats is nice, the look  for a 
Tiger is not so nice, imho...
 
I'm looking at some of the low back "period correct" race seats used in  
Vintage Racing as possibilities. Even something like the Corbeau Classic could  
represent a good compromise between comfort, support and avoiding the "sticking  
out of the interior" height of modern seats. 
 
_http://www.corbeau.com/products/classic/classic.shtml_ 
(http://www.corbeau.com/products/classic/classic.shtml) 




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From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Apr 22 17:07:22 2008
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:07:22 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Non factory seats in tiger
In-Reply-To: <009d01c8a4a9$db73b240$0202a8c0@student2>
References: <451422346-1208878722-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1848486306-@bxe152.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<009d01c8a4a9$db73b240$0202a8c0@student2>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0804221607u7ab059caj43191c85993860b0@mail.gmail.com>

I have some cobra classic seats in my alpine, they look period correct and
offer good lateral support. Here are some pics:
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1136010562054462410yZGscn

i have been looking at these seats recently for my tiger, they are GTS seats
for older porsche racers, and offer a variety of styles:
http://gtsclassics.com.au/Results.cfm?category=2


-- 
Regards

Michael King

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Tue Apr 22 17:50:39 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:50:39 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Factory Seats
In-Reply-To: <480E4342.2020206@cox.net>
References: <100847.24347.qm@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<480E3720.4030204@SoCal.rr.com> <480E4342.2020206@cox.net>
Message-ID: <480E79CF.4030801@SoCal.rr.com>

Steve Sage,

I took an original bolt with me, and found it in the parts bin.  Measure 
your bolt's size, if your going to order it on-line.

Steve

___
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Steve Sage wrote:
> Hello Steve:
> Great idea. Do you have the dimensions for the pins you use? The web 
> site has lots of choices.
>
> Steve Sage

From scattt at verizon.net  Tue Apr 22 21:01:50 2008
From: scattt at verizon.net (Scattt)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:01:50 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Factory Seats
References: <100847.24347.qm@web83001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<480E3720.4030204@SoCal.rr.com> <480E4342.2020206@cox.net>
Message-ID: <009101c8a4ee$60be8710$6501a8c0@NicksDellPC>

The quick release seat  pins are .25" diameter with a grip length of 1.25". 
I use a L shaped pin and had them out this week-end for the installation of 
a new rag-top.
Nick
_______________________________________________

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Wed Apr 23 00:04:56 2008
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:04:56 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Rootes info
Message-ID: <006e01c8a507$f575eec0$0202a8c0@student2>

For those whose "Rootes" extend beyond the Tiger this page over at AllPar
might be of interest.  There is a lot of 60's-70's "transportation" car
information.
Tom

http://www.allpar.com/cars/adopted/hillman/hunter.html

From rjw at wengco.com  Wed Apr 23 05:01:52 2008
From: rjw at wengco.com (Robert J. Wanty)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:01:52 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Vent Box Springs
Message-ID: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C57DD76B@weco1.wengco.com>

Does anyone have three that they would like to part with? SS lists the repair
kit but they are out, I also need the drivers side vent rod.



Bob

B382001318






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From rande at thecia.net  Wed Apr 23 05:20:06 2008
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:20:06 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] alternate seats
Message-ID: <480f1b66.2f6b.0@thecia.net>

My vote is for Miata Mk1 seats. Yes a lot of them are black cloth, but they also
offered black or tan leather on some special editions. The same bracket advisory
applies.

Also, kind of rare in boneyards, try Honda S2000 seats. All manual, all leather,
and a low cushion height, and real holding power.

From jteepen at usatoday.com  Wed Apr 23 11:36:46 2008
From: jteepen at usatoday.com (Teepen, Jere)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:36:46 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Kip Motor
In-Reply-To: <009201c8a106$6ca0eaa0$0201a8c0@home9cmfx9peca>
Message-ID: <9FF002B4A98E0F4FB752C81A06F004E971EB297793@ENT-MOCEXMB03.us.ad.gannett.com>

I sent out an e-mail with information regarding Kip Motor as a supplier of the
duckbill drains.  Someone responded requesting the correct website address and
I replied but Outlook belched up small particles and my e-mail with the
corrected web address was not sent.

The correct web address is www.kipmotor.com.

Jere

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Wed Apr 23 13:04:53 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:04:53 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Factory Seats
In-Reply-To: <20080423.093407.18914.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20080423.093407.18914.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <480F8855.1080503@SoCal.rr.com>

Un-Cole-a (?),

Mine were truly aircraft surplus, and a 1/4 inch diameter x 1.25 long, 
were the higher strength variety. Not warning flag holders. Which were 
probably chrome molybdenum steel anyway.  No material, heat treat, or 
alloy on the loose bin of parts, though.

Many sources on Google.  Here is one "T" handle that is more specific, 
available in Carbon ($14.87 ea.) or Stainless steel ($18.30 ea):

Check for style and cost:

http://www.jergensinc.com/pin_select.aspx?ms=en&style_ID=100&dia=0.25&grip=1.25 
<http://www.jergensinc.com/pin_select.aspx?ms=en&style_ID=100&dia=0.25&grip=1.25>

There are others available, and other sources


___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com



un-cole-a at juno.com wrote:
>
>  
>
> I used to be  Flight Engineer on the C-141 Starlifter and they used 
> these pins often, there were different strength pins for different 
> applications. That is why I was questioning the strength on the pins, 
> some of the pins we used just held the veriest caution flags on the 
> aircraft while others held down items which needed a high strength pin 
> application. 
> I like the idea of the pins just needed clarification on strength.

From tigerv8 at rogers.com  Wed Apr 23 19:08:56 2008
From: tigerv8 at rogers.com (Shaun Laughy)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:08:56 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] midget rack
In-Reply-To: <39a841b0804210712t154653d9h1d98c99d60306371@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002f01c8a5a7$c5f8fd90$6501a8c0@main>

Thanks for the information, Owain.  Are you using Dale A.'s kit for
this?

Thanks,
Shaun

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces+tigerv8=rogers.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces+tigerv8=rogers.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Owain Lloyd
Sent: April 21, 2008 10:13 AM
To: tiger
Subject: [Tigers] midget rack


just thought i'd share my first impressions after putting in the midget
steering rack.

i put just under 200 miles on the car over the weekend mainly on country
roads.  its absolutely fantastic!

gone is the horrible understeer in tight corners and the tight ratio
makes fast cornering so much easier.  setting the toe is a breeze with
straight adjustable tie rods.  my car used to wander badly on bumpy
roads at speed but of course i'm also benefiting from the straightening
of my crossmember which i did at the same time so i
imagine most of my gains in directional stability come from that.   in
fact i actually didn't bother to set the caster/camber yet, and am using
no shims.  there is visibily positive camber and i'm still so impressed
i can hardly be bothered to break out the caster/camber gauge at all!
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From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 23 21:46:45 2008
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:46:45 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Fw: stainless trim restoration
Message-ID: <064401c8a5bd$d1216d90$6501a8c0@PETERHOME>

[wasnt sure if this went thru so resending]


i am planning to send out my hardtop stainless trim for restoratation, incl
taking out a few minor dents, anyone have any experience with any of these
guys i looked up in hemmings that does that kind of work?  how about paul
reseintz that does tiger stuff?


Turners, 4388 S Willow, Fresno, CA 93725, PH: 559-237-0892

Vintage Vehicles Inc, N1940 20th Dr, Wautoma, WI 54982, PH: 920-787-2656
http://www.vintagevehicles.net/

Charles Jones, 3030 Alta Ridge Way, Snellville, GA 30078, 770-736-1118;
www.chromeplatingshop.com

NEL Metal Restorations, 2127-35 Margaret St, Philadelphia, PA 19124,
215-289-4944; www.precisionchrome.com

Dave Kosmann, 1020 W Homedale Rd, Caldwell, ID 83607, 208-455-8558;
dave at 1960impala.com; www.1960impala.com

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Thu Apr 24 04:39:05 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:39:05 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] midget rack
In-Reply-To: <002f01c8a5a7$c5f8fd90$6501a8c0@main>
References: <39a841b0804210712t154653d9h1d98c99d60306371@mail.gmail.com>
	<002f01c8a5a7$c5f8fd90$6501a8c0@main>
Message-ID: <39a841b0804240339x3e6baecfg4699415a623e4cf4@mail.gmail.com>

Yes I am.  Its the same as the conversion described on tigersunited.

Here are some pictures showing all the parts, the elongated hole in
the mgb steering arm and the rack mounted on the crossmember:

http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/MidgetRack/jalbum.html



On 4/24/08, Shaun Laughy <tigerv8 at rogers.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the information, Owain.  Are you using Dale A.'s kit for
> this?
>
> Thanks,
> Shaun
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces+tigerv8=rogers.com at autox.team.net
> [mailto:tigers-bounces+tigerv8=rogers.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
> Owain Lloyd
> Sent: April 21, 2008 10:13 AM
> To: tiger
> Subject: [Tigers] midget rack
>
>
> just thought i'd share my first impressions after putting in the midget
> steering rack.
>
> i put just under 200 miles on the car over the weekend mainly on country
> roads.  its absolutely fantastic!
>
> gone is the horrible understeer in tight corners and the tight ratio
> makes fast cornering so much easier.  setting the toe is a breeze with
> straight adjustable tie rods.  my car used to wander badly on bumpy
> roads at speed but of course i'm also benefiting from the straightening
> of my crossmember which i did at the same time so i
> imagine most of my gains in directional stability come from that.   in
> fact i actually didn't bother to set the caster/camber yet, and am using
> no shims.  there is visibily positive camber and i'm still so impressed
> i can hardly be bothered to break out the caster/camber gauge at all!
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From sunbeamkarl at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 24 10:33:05 2008
From: sunbeamkarl at hotmail.com (Karl Adey)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:33:05 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Water Valve
Message-ID: <BAY115-W243136F9EF06B6DDF3347AB8E20@phx.gbl>

Thanks everyone for the rapid responses to my question about the heater setup.
Last night i removed and disassembled the water valve.  I've read on the list
that the rubber diaphram is no longer available, so i'm happy to report that
mine is still in good condition.  I'm not sure that i'll be puting the same
valve back on the car (I may follow list advise about the honda valve).
however, i would like to store the diaphram properly.  How should i clean the
old coolant sediment off of it, and what should I coat it in to stop it from
drying out?  What should i coat it in if i'm going to refit it?
The lower housing to the valve was broken in a way that won't let it seal.  Is
anyone interested in parting with their valve, in entirety or just the lower
housing (the one with 'pipe' protruding from it)?
Once again, thanks for your rapid responses.
Karl
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From sunbeamkarl at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 24 10:42:49 2008
From: sunbeamkarl at hotmail.com (Karl Adey)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:42:49 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Side Moulding
Message-ID: <BAY115-W7ECDCE3A9481377845197B8E20@phx.gbl>

I'm aware that there have been several discussions of side moulding over the
years, and have tried my best to read them all.  However, i have still managed
to come up with a few original questions.  First, I have two types of door
moulding, one with square ends, and the other has a diagonal end.  Not
diagonal in the way the 1/4 panel strips contact the tiger script, but
diagonal if you look at the strip from the top while it is installed.  Which
is original?  are the reproductions faithful enough that it would be worth
while to repace this imposter?
Second, the short strip just aft of the tiger script on one side was removed
and the holes filled.  Are the clips from ss able to be installed from the
outside (which is necessary because of the lack of access)?  If not, how else
can this strip be installed. Someone stated that the ss clips 'hold the strip
away from the paint'  What does that mean, and do they look original enough to
be mixed with the original rivets?
Lastly, the original rivets are still attached to 3 of the 1/4 panels.  Can
you paint the car sucessfully and leave these?
Thanks,
Karl

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From laurin212 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 24 10:49:29 2008
From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:49:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Water Valve
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-W243136F9EF06B6DDF3347AB8E20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <290318.30766.qm@web53606.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

i might be confused about what you are referring to, but if it is the heater
control valve, the tiger valves are readily available for under 50 bucks brand
new, either the mark 1 style or mark 1a style (each is different).  email me
for source for each.


--- Karl Adey <sunbeamkarl at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks everyone for the rapid responses to my question about the heater
> setup.
> Last night i removed and disassembled the water valve.  I've read on the list
> that the rubber diaphram is no longer available, so i'm happy to report that
> mine is still in good condition.  I'm not sure that i'll be puting the same
> valve back on the car (I may follow list advise about the honda valve).
> however, i would like to store the diaphram properly.  How should i clean the
> old coolant sediment off of it, and what should I coat it in to stop it from
> drying out?  What should i coat it in if i'm going to refit it?
> The lower housing to the valve was broken in a way that won't let it seal. 
> Is
> anyone interested in parting with their valve, in entirety or just the lower
> housing (the one with 'pipe' protruding from it)?
> Once again, thanks for your rapid responses.
> Karl
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From Rollright at aol.com  Thu Apr 24 10:57:22 2008
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:57:22 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Seat stuff
Message-ID: <c14.36f1cedf.354215f2@aol.com>

Steve,
 
Thanks so much for the seat quick release stuff. The idea is wonderful.  
Unbolting the seats AGAIN ! to get under the dash is such a pain.
 
The list serve is so terrific.  Thanks again.
 
 
 
Jim  Armstrong
Mk 1A 382002083
LRXFE



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From sawhill at att.net  Thu Apr 24 10:57:31 2008
From: sawhill at att.net (Kenda Sawhill)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:57:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] All British Car Show in Woodland California
Message-ID: <112311.31848.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello All,
   
    The 20th Annual United British Car Show and Swap Meet is just a few short weeks away, May 18th. We currently have 2 Tigers, 4 Alpines and a total of 146 cars pre-registered. Pre-registration closes on May 1st, save $10.00. The show has a new and larger venue, the Yolo Fairgrounds in Woodland CA. Last year we were 1 car short of 300 cars with 33 award classes and expect to surpass that this year. Three cars of the same type make a class, so we are one Tiger away from having a class. So shine up your cars and come on out for a great event. 
   
    You can register on line or download a registration form to mail in at our club web site www.UBSCC.org.
   
  Thanks,
  Mac Sawhill
  B9470860

From stubrennan at comcast.net  Thu Apr 24 11:40:42 2008
From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:40:42 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Side Moulding
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-W7ECDCE3A9481377845197B8E20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000601c8a632$527516c0$6601a8c0@Brennan>

I used nylon 4-40 pan head screws to mount all of my sidestrips.  The
heads fit easily inside the trim.  I put nylon nuts on the back where I
could, and glued the screws in with RTV where I couldn't.  These screws
are available at many home centers, Lowes, HD, etc.

I'm not sure how long they will last, since I only did this back on
1977.  Yes, that's 1977 ;-)).

Stu

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Thu Apr 24 12:56:00 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:56:00 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] midget rack
In-Reply-To: <39a841b0804240339x3e6baecfg4699415a623e4cf4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39a841b0804210712t154653d9h1d98c99d60306371@mail.gmail.com>
	<002f01c8a5a7$c5f8fd90$6501a8c0@main>
	<39a841b0804240339x3e6baecfg4699415a623e4cf4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4810D7C0.7050303@SoCal.rr.com>

Owain,

Thanks to the link.  The TigersUnited link to the discussion is:

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-frontsusp.asp

with input from Bob Palmer, Bill Martin, Dale Akuszewski (Dale's 
Restorations), Wally Menke, Larry (DrMayf) Mayfield, and many others, 
back to 1996.

These are "Tiger List" posted comments.  Using the "SEARCH" header link, 
for "MG Rack" results in List Comments, with "Section H - Front 
Suspension" list comments subject oriented by the also posted Workshop 
Manual.

Sorry they are not better topic organized, but no one volunteered to 
edit them, and I was too busy creating the web site.

Easy find with "SEARCH"

Steve

___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com



Owain Lloyd wrote:
> Yes I am.  Its the same as the conversion described on tigersunited.
>
> Here are some pictures showing all the parts, the elongated hole in
> the mgb steering arm and the rack mounted on the crossmember:
>
> http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/MidgetRack/jalbum.html

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Thu Apr 24 13:01:50 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:01:50 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] midget rack
In-Reply-To: <4810D7C0.7050303@SoCal.rr.com>
References: <39a841b0804210712t154653d9h1d98c99d60306371@mail.gmail.com>
	<002f01c8a5a7$c5f8fd90$6501a8c0@main>
	<39a841b0804240339x3e6baecfg4699415a623e4cf4@mail.gmail.com>
	<4810D7C0.7050303@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b0804241201w66d003b9ic4d3ac80fff8a43f@mail.gmail.com>

I was refering to larry paulick's (sp?) tech article, but yes that
collection of emails is also relevant.



On 4/24/08, Steve Laifman <SLaifman at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> Owain,
>
> Thanks to the link.  The TigersUnited link to the discussion is:
>
> http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/tech_threads/tt-frontsusp.asp
>
> with input from Bob Palmer, Bill Martin, Dale Akuszewski (Dale's
> Restorations), Wally Menke, Larry (DrMayf) Mayfield, and many others,
> back to 1996.
>
> These are "Tiger List" posted comments.  Using the "SEARCH" header link,
> for "MG Rack" results in List Comments, with "Section H - Front
> Suspension" list comments subject oriented by the also posted Workshop
> Manual.
>
> Sorry they are not better topic organized, but no one volunteered to
> edit them, and I was too busy creating the web site.
>
> Easy find with "SEARCH"
>
> Steve
>
> ___
> Steve Laifman
> Editor - TigersUnited.com
>
>
>
> Owain Lloyd wrote:
> > Yes I am.  Its the same as the conversion described on tigersunited.
> >
> > Here are some pictures showing all the parts, the elongated hole in
> > the mgb steering arm and the rack mounted on the crossmember:
> >
> > http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/MidgetRack/jalbum.html

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Thu Apr 24 13:40:34 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:40:34 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] midget rack
In-Reply-To: <39a841b0804241201w66d003b9ic4d3ac80fff8a43f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39a841b0804210712t154653d9h1d98c99d60306371@mail.gmail.com>
	<002f01c8a5a7$c5f8fd90$6501a8c0@main>
	<39a841b0804240339x3e6baecfg4699415a623e4cf4@mail.gmail.com>
	<4810D7C0.7050303@SoCal.rr.com>
	<39a841b0804241201w66d003b9ic4d3ac80fff8a43f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4810E232.8050605@SoCal.rr.com>

Thanks, Owain,

The article referred to by Owain is "The Tiger Ackerman Angle" discusses 
Dale's R&P adapter for the MG Midget R&P.  This is on page 2, but the 
article is worth the read:

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/PaulickAckerman/pt-PaulickAckerman1.asp

Steve

___
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Editor - TigersUnited.com



Owain Lloyd wrote:
> I was refering to larry paulick's (sp?) tech article, but yes that
> collection of emails is also relevant.

From Tigerman67 at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 24 16:06:45 2008
From: Tigerman67 at hotmail.com (Tigerman)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:06:45 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Water Valve
References: <BAY115-W243136F9EF06B6DDF3347AB8E20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY119-DAV22CC8254A75E3FA3E6529C1E20@phx.gbl>

For treating rubber and silicone parts in scuba equipment, we always used 
either a silicone spray or grease.

For the scuba stuff, you obviously needed food handler grade materials, 
which was very pure.  I have noticed that many of the silicone sprays and 
stuff in the automotive section tend to be silicone + some other stuff. 
Never sure if the 'other stuff' would affect the ability to use it to treat 
rubber.  I finally found a tube of silicone grease at Napa that I at least 
convinced myself was okay for rubber parts, maybe someone else can recommend 
a good silicone spray/grease that is safe for rubber.

Thanks,
Steve

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Karl Adey" <sunbeamkarl at hotmail.com>
To: "The LIST Post" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:33 AM
Subject: [Tigers] Water Valve


> Thanks everyone for the rapid responses to my question about the heater 
> setup.
> Last night i removed and disassembled the water valve.  I've read on the 
> list
> that the rubber diaphram is no longer available, so i'm happy to report 
> that
> mine is still in good condition.  I'm not sure that i'll be puting the 
> same
> valve back on the car (I may follow list advise about the honda valve).
> however, i would like to store the diaphram properly.  How should i clean 
> the
> old coolant sediment off of it, and what should I coat it in to stop it 
> from
> drying out?  What should i coat it in if i'm going to refit it?
> The lower housing to the valve was broken in a way that won't let it seal. 
> Is
> anyone interested in parting with their valve, in entirety or just the 
> lower
> housing (the one with 'pipe' protruding from it)?
> Once again, thanks for your rapid responses.
> Karl
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From tigerv8 at rogers.com  Thu Apr 24 16:21:09 2008
From: tigerv8 at rogers.com (Shaun Laughy)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:21:09 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] midget rack
In-Reply-To: <39a841b0804240339x3e6baecfg4699415a623e4cf4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c8a659$7fbe57a0$6501a8c0@main>

Thanks, Owain.  Would you mind commenting on the stationary/low-speed
steering effort?

Cheers,
Shaun

-----Original Message-----
From: Owain Lloyd [mailto:owain.lloyd at gmail.com] 
Sent: April 24, 2008 6:39 AM
To: Shaun Laughy; tiger
Subject: Re: midget rack


Yes I am.  Its the same as the conversion described on tigersunited.

Here are some pictures showing all the parts, the elongated hole in the
mgb steering arm and the rack mounted on the crossmember:

http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/MidgetRack/jalbum.html

From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Thu Apr 24 16:39:59 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:39:59 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] midget rack
In-Reply-To: <001b01c8a659$7fbe57a0$6501a8c0@main>
References: <39a841b0804240339x3e6baecfg4699415a623e4cf4@mail.gmail.com>
	<001b01c8a659$7fbe57a0$6501a8c0@main>
Message-ID: <39a841b0804241539r30c8d7a5rf3a934204f2b56dc@mail.gmail.com>

Well I have a small motalita steering wheel and huge 205 tires so it
couldn't get much worse than that.  Once moving at any speed no matter
how slow its no problem but I admit the effort to steer when
stationary is high - its pretty tough parallel parking.  Having said
that it was always tough but, yes its noticibly harder.



On 4/24/08, Shaun Laughy <tigerv8 at rogers.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Owain.  Would you mind commenting on the stationary/low-speed
> steering effort?
>
> Cheers,
> Shaun
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Owain Lloyd [mailto:owain.lloyd at gmail.com]
> Sent: April 24, 2008 6:39 AM
> To: Shaun Laughy; tiger
> Subject: Re: midget rack
>
>
> Yes I am.  Its the same as the conversion described on tigersunited.
>
> Here are some pictures showing all the parts, the elongated hole in the
> mgb steering arm and the rack mounted on the crossmember:
>
> http://owainlloyd.no-ip.com:8080/photos/Tiger/MidgetRack/jalbum.html

From un-cole-a at juno.com  Fri Apr 25 08:06:04 2008
From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:06:04 GMT
Subject: [Tigers] Water Valve
Message-ID: <20080425.100604.14084.0@webmail09.vgs.untd.com>

This may be old fashion but my father use to grease rubber parts up with
Vaseline and put them in an air tight bag for storage.
Believe it or not when we were cleaning the house out to move my mother I
found some bags with old rubber parts in them that my father had put away. Not
sure how old they were or what the parts were for but they were in good
shape.
WD40 is fish oil based so you could grease rubber parts up and put in air
tight bags also.

Tim
B9470149

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From sganz at pacbell.net  Fri Apr 25 11:20:57 2008
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:20:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Water Valve
Message-ID: <270447.64694.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I don't know if I would use WD40 that way, I always thought it was some combination of things like diesel, kerosene, etc. Might be fine but seems to have a nice amount of solvent in it so would be cautious. Maybe some of the simple things like Glycerin or other stuff that was used to keep your rubber in good shape. I think it was something like that recommended by BMW or Porsche for keeping things supple. 

Sandy


----- Original Message ----
From: "un-cole-a at juno.com" <un-cole-a at juno.com>
To: sunbeamkarl at hotmail.com
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 7:06:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Valve

This may be old fashion but my father use to grease rubber parts up with
Vaseline and put them in an air tight bag for storage.
Believe it or not when we were cleaning the house out to move my mother I
found some bags with old rubber parts in them that my father had put away. Not
sure how old they were or what the parts were for but they were in good
shape.
WD40 is fish oil based so you could grease rubber parts up and put in air
tight bags also.

Tim
B9470149

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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Apr 25 11:27:52 2008
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:27:52 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Water Valve
In-Reply-To: <270447.64694.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <270447.64694.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <48121498.8030003@mayfco.com>

from the MSDS   WD 40 ingredients are

Main ingredients, from the material safety data sheet 
</wiki/Material_safety_data_sheet>, are:

    * 50%: Stoddard solvent </wiki/Stoddard_solvent> (mineral spirits
      </wiki/Mineral_spirits>, somewhat similar to, but not the same as,
      kerosene)
    * 25%: Liquefied petroleum gas </wiki/Liquefied_petroleum_gas>
      (presumably as a propellant, carbon dioxide </wiki/Carbon_dioxide>
      is used now to reduce considerable flammability)
    * 15+%: Mineral oil </wiki/Mineral_oil> (light lubricating oil)
    * 10-%: Inert ingredients

The German version of the mandatory EU safety sheet lists the following 
safety relevant ingredients:

    * 60-80%: Heavy Naphtha </wiki/Naphtha> (petroleum product),
      hydrogen </wiki/Hydrogen> treated
    * 1-5%: Carbon dioxide </wiki/Carbon_dioxide>

Fish oil is a urban myth.

mayf



Sandy Ganz wrote:

>I don't know if I would use WD40 that way, I always thought it was some combination of things like diesel, kerosene, etc. Might be fine but seems to have a nice amount of solvent in it so would be cautious. Maybe some of the simple things like Glycerin or other stuff that was used to keep your rubber in good shape. I think it was something like that recommended by BMW or Porsche for keeping things supple. 
>
>Sandy
>
>
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>Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
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>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Valve
>
>This may be old fashion but my father use to grease rubber parts up with
>Vaseline and put them in an air tight bag for storage.
>Believe it or not when we were cleaning the house out to move my mother I
>found some bags with old rubber parts in them that my father had put away. Not
>sure how old they were or what the parts were for but they were in good
>shape.
>WD40 is fish oil based so you could grease rubber parts up and put in air
>tight bags also.
>
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From larryall at pacbell.net  Fri Apr 25 11:51:55 2008
From: larryall at pacbell.net (Larry Allbritton)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:51:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Water Valve
Message-ID: <670005.29448.qm@web83006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have to replace the drinking water filters every six months and silicone grease the 'O' rings.
  I use a food grade silicone grease that is available in the water filter section of Home Depot.
   
  Larry
  B9472723
   
  Message: 5
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:06:45 -0600
From: "Tigerman" <Tigerman67 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Water Valve
To: "Karl Adey" <sunbeamkarl at hotmail.com>, "The LIST Post"
 <tigers at autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <BAY119-DAV22CC8254A75E3FA3E6529C1E20 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
 reply-type=original

For treating rubber and silicone parts in scuba equipment, we always
 used 
either a silicone spray or grease.

For the scuba stuff, you obviously needed food handler grade materials,
 
which was very pure.  I have noticed that many of the silicone sprays
 and 
stuff in the automotive section tend to be silicone + some other stuff.
 
Never sure if the 'other stuff' would affect the ability to use it to
 treat 
rubber.  I finally found a tube of silicone grease at Napa that I at
 least 
convinced myself was okay for rubber parts, maybe someone else can
 recommend 
a good silicone spray/grease that is safe for rubber.

From Rollright at aol.com  Fri Apr 25 13:05:21 2008
From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:05:21 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] rubber grease
Message-ID: <cf8.2fcd60ad.35438571@aol.com>

Hello,
 
How about Girling "Red Grease" like you get in the servo, master and slave  
rebuild kits, available in little packets from Moss Motors last time I  checked.
I don't know if you can put it in your mouth though..............
 
 



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From Sjhcobra1 at cs.com  Fri Apr 25 18:52:33 2008
From: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Sjhcobra1 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:52:33 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Water Valve
Message-ID: <633526EC.6567779D.028BE4CD@cs.com>

Karl:

The Mk1 heater control valves are available from Sunbeam Specialties and the Mk1A/ Mk2 valves are available from Lil British Car Company so you don't need to search for the Honda valve.

Steve Halbrook

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Fri Apr 25 18:55:18 2008
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:55:18 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Water Valve
References: <270447.64694.qm@web82805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002201c8a738$32feb6a0$0202a8c0@student2>

Perhaps..., maybe..., Red Rubber Grease would work? It seems to be the only 
"approved" thing for the brake parts.
Tom 

From mgman71 at comcast.net  Sat Apr 26 09:31:46 2008
From: mgman71 at comcast.net (George Re)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:31:46 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Hose clamp size?
Message-ID: <003101c8a7b2$a465c750$0201a8c0@homeqp0ya3bbsv>

Would anyone know what size hose clamps are need for the tiger I found a guy
who has the wire clamps but not sure what sizes I need.

Thanks
George Re

From Sjhcobra1 at cs.com  Sat Apr 26 21:41:40 2008
From: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Sjhcobra1 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:41:40 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Hose clamp size?
Message-ID: <d0e.280ac8ad.35454ff4@cs.com>

George:

I don't have the sizes for yoiu, but Moss Motors carries at least two sizes 
of the wire clamps.

Steve Halbrook   

From FHSLOTH13 at aol.com  Sun Apr 27 09:05:17 2008
From: FHSLOTH13 at aol.com (FHSLOTH13 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:05:17 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Safe Lube for Tiger/Alpine seals
Message-ID: <d17.276abb3b.3545f02d@aol.com>

When I worked in the  food industry we had a grease called Petrol-Gel. It's a 
sanitary lubricant made  of U.S.P. mineral oil and other USP ingredients. 
It's absolutely  tastelees and odorless, has a high melting point, impervious 
to water. It's good  for valves, pistons, o-rings, gaskets, sanitary 
centrifugal pumps, guides and  slide mechanisms. 
It's manufactured by  McGlaughlin Oil Company in Colimbus, OH. 
I have no interest in  the company or it's products except that I have used 
it for many years with  excellent results. I use it on the o-ring in the multi 
port valve on my pool  filtration system and the o-ring has not been affected 
by the DE,  the water, the chlorine or any other chemicals used in the  pool. 
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From mai65tai at sonic.net  Sun Apr 27 16:00:04 2008
From: mai65tai at sonic.net (John Stithem)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:00:04 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Restoration of rear view mirror
Message-ID: <001001c8a8b2$0c563340$0700000a@John>

I know I'm being lazy--not doing the search -- but--
Has anyone done a tech article on how to restore a tiger rear view mirror?

John

From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Sun Apr 27 17:41:04 2008
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:41:04 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Restoration of rear view mirror
In-Reply-To: <001001c8a8b2$0c563340$0700000a@John>
References: <001001c8a8b2$0c563340$0700000a@John>
Message-ID: <001401c8a8c0$285a68a0$74fcc04a@jerry>

John,

I did mine eight or nine years ago, not to difficult, I think I had to break
the glass can't remember, but you probably want new glass (mirror) anyway,
there are two rivets that have to be drilled out, then it comes apart and
you can have the hanger part rechromed.
 Reassembly is very easy if you know how to peen a rivet, (smashing the end
of the rivet) with a ballpeen hammer.
The question is where do you get the rivets? I have some, and I'll be glad
to sell them for $100.00 each. Just kidding send me your address and I will
be glad to send them to you for free. 

Jerry Christopherson

9473187 

-----Original Message-----
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John Stithem
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 5:00 PM
To: Tiger List
Subject: [Tigers] Restoration of rear view mirror

I know I'm being lazy--not doing the search -- but--
Has anyone done a tech article on how to restore a tiger rear view mirror?

John
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From twojohnsons at cox.net  Mon Apr 28 07:00:58 2008
From: twojohnsons at cox.net (Alvin Johnson)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:00:58 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Safe Lube Qualities
References: <d17.276abb3b.3545f02d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c8a92f$e74ba2f0$0f3cc048@13930193605348f>

How the hell do you know it's tasteless?

> When I worked in the  food industry we had a grease called Petrol-Gel. 
> It's a
> sanitary lubricant made  of U.S.P. mineral oil and other USP ingredients.
> It's absolutely  tasteless and odorless, 

From w_pierzga at msn.com  Mon Apr 28 12:42:59 2008
From: w_pierzga at msn.com (MSN)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:42:59 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Contact information for Rob Martel
In-Reply-To: <001401c8a8c0$285a68a0$74fcc04a@jerry>
References: <001001c8a8b2$0c563340$0700000a@John>
	<001401c8a8c0$285a68a0$74fcc04a@jerry>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV43BBC30A92CD350D2E4529FDE0@phx.gbl>

I am trying to get in touch with Rob Martel to get some sheet metal parts
for my Alpine. Would someone give me a current phone number to reach him?
The number on his web site is wrong...

Thanks,

Wayne

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Mon Apr 28 13:47:21 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:47:21 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Contact information for Rob Martel
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DAV43BBC30A92CD350D2E4529FDE0@phx.gbl>
References: <001001c8a8b2$0c563340$0700000a@John>
	<001401c8a8c0$285a68a0$74fcc04a@jerry>
	<BAY101-DAV43BBC30A92CD350D2E4529FDE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <481629C9.60007@SoCal.rr.com>

Wayne,

Rob Martel can be located through his web site:

http://www.robmartel.com/

Steve

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MSN wrote:
> I am trying to get in touch with Rob Martel to get some sheet metal parts
> for my Alpine. Would someone give me a current phone number to reach him?
> The number on his web site is wrong...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Wayne

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Mon Apr 28 13:51:32 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:51:32 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Contact information for Rob Martel
In-Reply-To: <481629C9.60007@SoCal.rr.com>
References: <001001c8a8b2$0c563340$0700000a@John>
	<001401c8a8c0$285a68a0$74fcc04a@jerry>
	<BAY101-DAV43BBC30A92CD350D2E4529FDE0@phx.gbl>
	<481629C9.60007@SoCal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <48162AC4.5060801@SoCal.rr.com>

Oh, Yes,

He apparently does not want phone calls, so e-mail him through his own 
e-mail page:

http://tellme.bss.ab.ca/prothos/tellme.x/main.p?!=public=12094121866575=1=20674460&Key=RME 
<http://tellme.bss.ab.ca/prothos/tellme.x/main.p?%21=public=12094121866575=1=20674460&Key=RME>

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Steve Laifman wrote:
> Wayne,
>
> Rob Martel can be located through his web site:
>
> http://www.robmartel.com/
>
> Steve
>
> ___
> Steve Laifman
> Editor - TigersUnited.com
>
>
>
> MSN wrote:
>   
>> I am trying to get in touch with Rob Martel to get some sheet metal parts
>> for my Alpine. Would someone give me a current phone number to reach him?
>> The number on his web site is wrong...
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Wayne
>>     
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From sunbeamjohn at msn.com  Mon Apr 28 14:46:50 2008
From: sunbeamjohn at msn.com (sunbeam john)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:46:50 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch
Message-ID: <BAY114-W88F4C0DADBBCB592139A4A5DE0@phx.gbl>

The last owner of my Tiger installed a McLeod clutch and pressure plate. The
clutch pedal is hard to depress and is killing my bad left knee. Does anyone
have any suggestions to eliminate the hard pedal besides replacing the clutch
and pressure plate? This Tiger has a 1968 302ci. with a MK2 Wide ratio top
loader.

Thank you,
John
sunbeamjohn at msn.com

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Mon Apr 28 14:49:21 2008
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:49:21 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EF4B@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

Hi John,
Aside from switching to a smaller master cylinder diameter, you could
put a vacuum booster on it.
Theo

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Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch

The last owner of my Tiger installed a McLeod clutch and pressure plate.
The
clutch pedal is hard to depress and is killing my bad left knee. Does
anyone
have any suggestions to eliminate the hard pedal besides replacing the
clutch
and pressure plate? This Tiger has a 1968 302ci. with a MK2 Wide ratio
top
loader.

Thank you,
John
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From sganz at pacbell.net  Mon Apr 28 14:57:16 2008
From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:57:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch
Message-ID: <572536.65668.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

When getting a clutch from David Kee, he had a pressure plate that was for the Tiger, I'm not sure if it was just less pressure on the springs, but I'll bet it was something like that. Look up his site at David Kee Top Loaders. 

Sandy


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Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 1:46:50 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch

The last owner of my Tiger installed a McLeod clutch and pressure plate. The
clutch pedal is hard to depress and is killing my bad left knee. Does anyone
have any suggestions to eliminate the hard pedal besides replacing the clutch
and pressure plate? This Tiger has a 1968 302ci. with a MK2 Wide ratio top
loader.

Thank you,
John
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From owain.lloyd at gmail.com  Mon Apr 28 15:36:51 2008
From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:36:51 +0100
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch
In-Reply-To: <572536.65668.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <572536.65668.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <39a841b0804281436i292fed3anb64dbd431c7ac34d@mail.gmail.com>

What's the stock mc bore? My clutch is hard as hell too.  Gives me
cramp in traffic!  Po had a 7/8" tilton mc which I suspect is larger
bore than stock.



On 4/28/08, Sandy Ganz <sganz at pacbell.net> wrote:
> When getting a clutch from David Kee, he had a pressure plate that was for
> the Tiger, I'm not sure if it was just less pressure on the springs, but
> I'll bet it was something like that. Look up his site at David Kee Top
> Loaders.
>
> Sandy
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: sunbeam john <sunbeamjohn at msn.com>
> To: "tigers at autox.team.net" <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 1:46:50 PM
> Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch
>
> The last owner of my Tiger installed a McLeod clutch and pressure plate. The
> clutch pedal is hard to depress and is killing my bad left knee. Does anyone
> have any suggestions to eliminate the hard pedal besides replacing the
> clutch
> and pressure plate? This Tiger has a 1968 302ci. with a MK2 Wide ratio top
> loader.
>
> Thank you,
> John
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From Drmoonstone at aol.com  Mon Apr 28 18:22:02 2008
From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:22:02 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch
Message-ID: <c8d.2003fbc2.3547c42a@aol.com>

You might look into Centerforce or Levy Racing in Mariposa, AZ (520-494-2745)

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From twojohnsons at cox.net  Tue Apr 29 07:23:20 2008
From: twojohnsons at cox.net (Alvin Johnson)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:23:20 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch
References: <BAY114-W88F4C0DADBBCB592139A4A5DE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002301c8a9fc$31d31930$0f3cc048@13930193605348f>

If you need a clutch & PPlatethat will work w/high horsepower and that 
regressive 288 rear, try Centerforce. It has light pedal pressure and grabs 
like stink. Got one in my Mustang.
My Tiger ate clutches, but the 288 rear was the culprit. 

From Cushcom1 at aol.com  Tue Apr 29 07:40:43 2008
From: Cushcom1 at aol.com (Cushcom1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:40:43 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] INFO NEEDED
Message-ID: <d21.291d8da8.35487f5b@aol.com>

DOES ANY SOCAL TIGER MAN OR WOMAN HAVE THE CONTACT FOR A MAGAZINE CALLED  
"MISSINFORMATION" THAT PROVIDES INFO ON CAR CLUBS AND UPCOMING EVENTS?
 
THANKS FROM THE TIGERMAN, NOW ENSCONCED IN SAN  DIEGO.



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From CoolVT at aol.com  Tue Apr 29 09:36:36 2008
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:36:36 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Junkyard vacation (2 parts)
Message-ID: <cf0.31f5bd22.35489a84@aol.com>

Today I spent a pleasant Vermont spring day in a  "hidden-away" junkyard. 
It's only 45 minutes from my house and I never knew it  existed. Drive 5 miles up 
a dirt road and the "office" (falling down quanset hut  style bldg.) is at 
the bottom of a mountain. A nice ole, "typically cautious of  strangers", 
Vermont guy owns the place. 
Told him I was looking for an  alternator bracket from a Ford small block. 
Said, "Yup there's probably some up  there." I asked if my car would make it up 
the dirt road (trail) since it looked  pretty rough. With the spring thaw it 
was just all muck and pretty steep. Said  it "probably won't". He told me when 
I was leaving that he had to know somebody  pretty well to let them take a 
vehicle up the mountain. Guess he's had some bad  experiences with people filling 
their trunk with stolen parts. 
Anyway, I  grabbed my 25 lb. bag of tools and headed up on foot. The place is 
all dirt  roads, actually 2 tire ruts more than actual roads. The roads wind 
up and around  the mountain. Off both sides of the road are woods. The woods 
are filled with  cars, trucks, buses, RV's, boats, 18 wheelers, snowplows, 
snowmobiles, golf  carts, bicycles, motorcycles, lawnmowers and anything else with 
wheels. All  scattered about. Leading off the roads are trails with more 
vehicles to be  found, hidden out of sight. No trails to some of these vehicles so 
you know that  they were put in place 20, 30 and 40 years ago and the trees 
have since grown up  to cover any traces of a way in. The place is full of 
vehicles dating back to  the 30's and 40's with most of them from the 70's and the 
majority being pick em  up trucks. Supposedly the collection started in 1958. 




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From CoolVT at aol.com  Tue Apr 29 09:37:31 2008
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:37:31 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Junkyard vacation (part 2)
Message-ID: <bca.2513b998.35489abb@aol.com>

After about 15 minutes of hiking and lugging the tool  bag I was 
exhausted...the roads felt like they would never end. But, if you like  old vehicles it's 
almost like entering heaven. It feels like stepping back in  time 40 years. 
The place is full of treasures. Absolutely no order to  anything....all brands 
mixed together although the trucks seemed to be in  bunches in different 
places. 
I'm still not sure I saw every road. The place  really could use a map. I got 
so winded hiking up the mountain and then through  the woods to look at this 
vehicle and that vehicle that I decided to set my tool  bag down on the edge 
of the road. I figured I'd come back and get it if I needed  tools. Big 
mistake. It took me 20 minutes to find the tool bag later. I couldn't  find the right 
road. Anyway, I was like a kid in a candy store for 4 hours. Sun  out, warm 
weather and all alone on the mountain with the old vehicles. I got 2  
alternator brackets ($5 for the pair) and a few, small misc. things (no charge).  And, 
this long winded account does have a point...... 
There is a mail  delivery Jeep, right hand drive. The rear end is completely 
intact. Guy  said he'd remove the whole rear end and put it in my truck for 
$150. So, my  questions are....were all of these mail Jeep positraction usable 
in a  Tiger? If not, what should I look for to identify it? Is this a decent  
price?  Also a guy who worked "on the mountain" said he thought it was 4  wheel 
drive. I didn't check that. If it is, would there possibly be a usable  posi 
in the front too? 
Thanks for bearing with me. For those of you who had  to sit behind a desk 
today, don't worry. Your retirement days will come:-)  
Mark  








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From cmccann at lwpb.com  Tue Apr 29 10:25:33 2008
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:25:33 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Junkyard vacation (part 2)
In-Reply-To: <bca.2513b998.35489abb@aol.com>
References: <bca.2513b998.35489abb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <D8223A11C9357D4891EA3884907F708682BE3F@lwpb-email1.LWPB.local>

Mark, you didn't bore me at all, I love the "barn find", cool junkyard
stories...I drug my Tiger out of a shed in a little town in
Oklahoma...stumbled across it by accident. I still drive through small
towns peering into peoples backyards and analyzing shapes of cars under
blue tarps. I'm totally obsessed with lost treasures....

As the 85 year old lady would say...."Jimmy had this old chevy before
the war.....he died and now it just sits there in the garage for 30
years.....its says Korevette on it or something...you can have it if you
want it...."

Someday that will happen to me....

Thanks for the story...I'm envious of your junkyard trip.

C







Thanks for bearing with me. For those of you who had  to sit behind a
desk
today, don't worry. Your retirement days will come:-)
Mark

From Sjhcobra1 at cs.com  Tue Apr 29 10:33:46 2008
From: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Sjhcobra1 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:33:46 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Junkyard vacation (part 2) - Fun Reading
Message-ID: <46AFE5BF.7D29D63D.028BE4CD@cs.com>

Tom Cotter has written two books that are quite entertaining, "COBRA In a Barn" and "Hemi Barn Find". These are brief, true stories about different car discoveries.  As a matter of fact Steve Silverstein's story is in the Cobra book.

Steve Halbrook

From Sjhcobra1 at cs.com  Tue Apr 29 10:39:24 2008
From: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Sjhcobra1 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:39:24 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch
Message-ID: <711403B4.1090B58E.028BE4CD@cs.com>

I agree.  The Centerforce II clutch is terrific.  I have one in each of my Tigers and would recommend them to anyone.  The Centerforce Dual Friction model is not as "driver friendly", but is a great hi-performance clutch.

Steve Halbrook

From cmccann at lwpb.com  Tue Apr 29 10:52:15 2008
From: cmccann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:52:15 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch
In-Reply-To: <711403B4.1090B58E.028BE4CD@cs.com>
References: <711403B4.1090B58E.028BE4CD@cs.com>
Message-ID: <D8223A11C9357D4891EA3884907F708682BE57@lwpb-email1.LWPB.local>

I third that agreement...I have had a RAM dual friction, and a
centerforce, and some ford motorsport King Cobra clutches and stuff, all
in front of a Borgwarner T5 in my mustangs....and the centerforce has by
far the best grabbing without the pedal effort. Its what I have now and
I love it. Daily driving the mustang 5.0 with 400 horse...I forget what
transmission you are running, but the centerforce has the quality for
sure.

Cullen









I agree.  The Centerforce II clutch is terrific.  I have one in each of
my Tigers and would recommend them to anyone.  The Centerforce Dual
Friction model is not as "driver friendly", but is a great
hi-performance clutch.

Steve Halbrook

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Tue Apr 29 12:19:53 2008
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:19:53 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Junkyard vacation (2 parts)
References: <cf0.31f5bd22.35489a84@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002401c8aa25$9f5eef50$0202a8c0@student2>

Mark,
  Can you indicate a general area for this place.  I would love to look it 
up on the Google satellite maps.  It has become a "hobby" of mine. Also, I 
found it ironic that the "Landscape" you describe wouldn't make the Vermont 
travel bureau brochure.
Thanks, Tom 

From un-cole-a at juno.com  Tue Apr 29 12:39:37 2008
From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:39:37 GMT
Subject: [Tigers] Help from UK Tiger owners
Message-ID: <20080429.143937.26436.4@webmail05.vgs.untd.com>

I have found a copy of  "Tiger: Making of a sports car", by Mike Taylor on
Amazon.uk
The book is listed at 19pounds, can anyone tell me the exchange rate. I find
this price very low considering what this book is going for on other web
sites.
Would like to acquire this book but this price seems to good to be true.
Any help would be appreciated

Thanks

Tim
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Tue Apr 29 13:05:02 2008
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:05:02 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Help from UK Tiger owners
References: <20080429.143937.26436.4@webmail05.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <007701c8aa2b$edee1d20$0202a8c0@student2>

Tim,
As of today the exchange rate is:  1.00 GBP = 1.96761 USD 
http://www.xe.com/ucc/

My recollection is the last time I saw the Taylor book sell on Bay was about 
3 years ago at about $50-$75.  I'm kind of fuzzy on that but I hope it is a 
ballpark figure to work with.
Tom

From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Tue Apr 29 13:10:55 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:10:55 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch
In-Reply-To: <002301c8a9fc$31d31930$0f3cc048@13930193605348f>
References: <BAY114-W88F4C0DADBBCB592139A4A5DE0@phx.gbl>
	<002301c8a9fc$31d31930$0f3cc048@13930193605348f>
Message-ID: <481772BF.1060104@SoCal.rr.com>

Al,

The problem is not the rear end 2.88 ratio. It's the too low first gear.
I swapped out my "close ratio" (NOT), for the Mk II style "wide ratio".  
It has a taller (more mph/rpm) 1, 2, 3 gears and is NOT "wide spaced".  
Runs fine, and good lower gears.

To see the difference, use Bob Hokanson's Excel calculator to examine 
speeds, rpm, etc., based on gearbox ratios, tire sizes, and rear end 
ratio's. A FREE copy of Microsoft's Excel is download able in the 
article link.

An excellent tool.

http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/HokansonGearSpeedXL/pt-HokansonGearSpeedXL.asp

Steve
___
Steve Laifman
Editor - TigersUnited.com



Alvin Johnson wrote:
> If you need a clutch & PPlatethat will work w/high horsepower and that 
> regressive 288 rear, try Centerforce. It has light pedal pressure and grabs 
> like stink. Got one in my Mustang.
> My Tiger ate clutches, but the 288 rear was the culprit. 
> _______________________________________________

From bob at hermitagewood.com  Tue Apr 29 13:13:30 2008
From: bob at hermitagewood.com (Bob)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:13:30 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] MC bore
Message-ID: <002901c8aa2d$1c3477f0$2a50010a@in.dynetics.com>

I'm not sure on the master cylinder size off of the top of my head, but
anyone with this problem should verify the master and slave cylinders are
the correct size.   My wheel alignment guy once told me 'It takes two men
and a boy to work that clutch'.   I was 20 years old and thought nothing of
it, it was what it was.   Years later, the bolts in the pressure plate broke
due to over-actuating the clutch (MC too big, or slave too small).   When I
fixed both the hydraulics and the pressure plate, the car was much easier to
drive, even with a stiffer than stock pressure plate.   Sometime in the cars
life a previous owner or shop had put on the wrong part.

 

--Bob

 

 

>Message: 7

>Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:36:51 +0100

>From: "Owain Lloyd" <owain.lloyd at gmail.com>

>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch

>To: "Sandy Ganz" <sganz at pacbell.net>, "sunbeam john"

>     <sunbeamjohn at msn.com>,  "tigers at autox.team.net"

>     <tigers at autox.team.net>

>Message-ID:
<39a841b0804281436i292fed3anb64dbd431c7ac34d at mail.gmail.com>

>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

> 

>What's the stock mc bore? My clutch is hard as hell too.  Gives me cramp in
traffic!  Po had a 7/8" >tilton mc which I suspect is larger bore than
stock.

From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com  Tue Apr 29 13:15:44 2008
From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:15:44 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch
Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157C5EF51@dsimail.ad.garmin.com>

Nothing wrong with either the 2.88 ratio, or the 2.32 first gear. The
rear tires were never meant to be turning at less than the equivalent of
about 45 mph.

Theo

From mark.rense at ge.com  Tue Apr 29 13:33:05 2008
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd))
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:33:05 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch
In-Reply-To: <BAY114-W88F4C0DADBBCB592139A4A5DE0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY114-W88F4C0DADBBCB592139A4A5DE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <F039BAF0D766724ABE5A33EEDB320E5A046A47F3@LOUMLVEM03.e2k.ad.ge.com>

John, I too can vouch for the Centerforce II clutch system. It was the
only clutch that held up in my tweaked, over-boosted SVO Mustang, and
the pedal effort was significantly reduced.

Another thing to consider is changing the lever ratio between the clutch
pedal and the throw-out lever. You can do this by:
1. Find a spare clutch pedal, cut it off just below the pivot, then weld
the two pieces back together with a piece of bar stock in-between,
lengthening the pedal. You will have to determine how much length you
and the car can handle (no snide comments, please!). Even adding just an
inch will reduce the pedal effort by 10% or so. It's awkward at first,
but you get used to the new clutch pedal placement quickly. Make sure
you have enough travel.

2. Go a bit smaller in diameter in your clutch master by having one
sleeved down. Someone on the list may know of a smaller MC that you can
buy.

3. Use a slightly larger diameter slave cylinder. Again, check to make
sure there is enough travel to disengage the clutch.

4. There are several internal hydraulic slave cylinders available with
different effective volumes, McLead comes to mind. Of course, if you are
going this far, you might as well just change out the clutch/PP to a
Centerforce.

Bugz

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces+mark.rense=ge.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
sunbeam john
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 4:47 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch

The last owner of my Tiger installed a McLeod clutch and pressure plate.
The clutch pedal is hard to depress and is killing my bad left knee.
Does anyone have any suggestions to eliminate the hard pedal besides
replacing the clutch and pressure plate? This Tiger has a 1968 302ci.
with a MK2 Wide ratio top loader.

Thank you,
John
sunbeamjohn at msn.com

From CoolVT at aol.com  Tue Apr 29 16:57:08 2008
From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:57:08 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Oil dipstick
Message-ID: <cf4.297a8262.354901c4@aol.com>

The question has come up  a few times about finding the  correct oil 
dipstick.   A few weeks back I picked one up  from a late 1970's Ford...can't remember 
the year or model.  I  put it side by side with my stock stick and if they 
were both installed all the  way into the tube, the "full" or "safe" markings 
would be within 1/16"  of each other.
Trouble is, it has a yellow handle and yellow cup on it.  The  exterior shape 
is exactly like a stock Tiger's, but the rod part is much thinner  and more 
flexible.  
Anyway, if you are looking for a replacement and can either put up  with the 
yellow color or find a way of changing it, try this one. Should be  pretty 
easy to change the color to black.   I can tell you that  it came out of a Ford 
that has the dipstick on the passenger side ( going  directly into the oil pan).
 
Also, some 1970's Fords have a yellow stick that looks exactly  the same on 
the exterior as the one described above, but it's found on the  driver side of 
the engine. I haven't checked dimensions to see how it compares  with stock.
M



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From tonbren at chariot.net.au  Tue Apr 29 17:18:01 2008
From: tonbren at chariot.net.au (Tony Day)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:48:01 +0930
Subject: [Tigers] Car Transport
Message-ID: <002001c8aa4f$49df04f0$0205a8c0@acer>

Hi

I know this has been covered several times since I have been on the list but
hopefully someone can help.
I have just bought a Saleen Parnelli Jones Mustang and need to ship it from
Lake Havasu AZ to Oakland CA in the next 2 weeks.

I got  quote from DAS and they will only pick it up in Las Vegas and deliver
it to Hayward which doesn't help much.

Regards

Tony
South Australia

From atwittsend at verizon.net  Tue Apr 29 18:04:54 2008
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:04:54 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Car Transport
References: <002001c8aa4f$49df04f0$0205a8c0@acer>
Message-ID: <004501c8aa55$d31ffc50$0202a8c0@student2>

Tony,
  While I only attempted to transport a lowly Pinto I did learn a lot 
investigating the matter. This is what I found:

 1. "Anywhere" doesn't mean everywhere.

2. You are likely dealing with a broker. He offers an amount to a group of 
drivers and they select the hauls that make them the most money. So, if you 
"contract" to a low price you are held by that contract for generally 30 
days and if the price is too low no driver will ever take the haul. You will 
wait, and wait, and wait.

3. You car is most likely to be put on/off a transport many times as haulers 
maximize their routes.

4. There was a $175 surcharge if the car failed to run under it's own power. 
Given the marginal condition of my car I saw it as "likely."

In the end I flew 400 miles, rented a U-Haul truck and trailer and brought 
the car home.

While I'm sure there are reputable shippers out there (and you will likely 
pay for it too) I would take a vacation day or two, fly to the destination 
and enjoy the drive back.
Tom




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Day" <tonbren at chariot.net.au>
To: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 4:18 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Car Transport


> Hi
>
> I know this has been covered several times since I have been on the list 
> but
> hopefully someone can help.
> I have just bought a Saleen Parnelli Jones Mustang and need to ship it 
> from
> Lake Havasu AZ to Oakland CA in the next 2 weeks.
>
> I got  quote from DAS and they will only pick it up in Las Vegas and 
> deliver
> it to Hayward which doesn't help much.
>
> Regards
>
> Tony
> South Australia
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From rande at thecia.net  Tue Apr 29 18:05:14 2008
From: rande at thecia.net (rande)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:05:14 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers-The Making of a Sports Car
Message-ID: <4817b7ba.41be.0@thecia.net>

25 pounds sterling is currently a good price for this book. Figure it amounts
roughly to $50 US . Also factor in how much shipping will cost in addition.


There are three versions of the book that I'm aware of. The earliest edition,
'first published 1979' includes a handful of nice color photos like the Harrington
Tiger, one of the last Hartwell Tiger 2's and an orchid green Tiger 2 with a
black vinyl-covered hardtop.

The next edition, with the printing 'reprinted 1984' on the page next to the
contents page, is essentially the same content but without the color photos.
Both of these editions have a slip cover with a Tiger 1 on the cover.

The third version, the 'Second Edition'was printed in 1991 and has additional
chapters on race preparation, Tiger restoration, and 'Rootes Other V8 Adventure'.
This edition has a Tiger 2 on the slip cover.

Decide which edition you'd like, and ask the seller about condition and which
version they're selling.

The best payment plan as far as exchange rate is with a credit card, but expect
some card companies to charge a fee for the exchange.

From tonbren at chariot.net.au  Tue Apr 29 20:04:39 2008
From: tonbren at chariot.net.au (Tony Day)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:34:39 +0930
Subject: [Tigers] Car Transport 2
Message-ID: <009c01c8aa66$9142cf40$0205a8c0@acer>

Hi Again

Thanks to Thomas for his comments, it is a problem living on another continent
but I must admit in my many years of dealing with Americans with the pay now I
see it in anything up to 2 months all my dealings have been great. BUT this is
the first time I have outlayed this much money and would love to see the
Parnelli as I bought it.

I have received a quote from a "family company"  whose words seem to say what
I want to hear. Has anyone had dealings good or bad with Trusty Transport out
of Maryland. they state they run direct routes with no terminals. Oakland
would certainly be on a direct roiute but I would hardly think Lake Havasu
would be.

Comments please

Tony

From rmebstein at aol.com  Tue Apr 29 20:37:53 2008
From: rmebstein at aol.com (rmebstein at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:37:53 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Car Transport 2
In-Reply-To: <009c01c8aa66$9142cf40$0205a8c0@acer>
References: <009c01c8aa66$9142cf40$0205a8c0@acer>
Message-ID: <8CA78825216C2AB-1774-39FF@webmail-nc18.sysops.aol.com>

I've moved a car with www.carmoves.com from AZ to the Bay Area and I've also used Rich's Classic Transport out of Nebraska to move a car from Utah to the Bay Area.?Both times my car(s) arrived fine. I also would not hesitate using www.intercitylines.com. They're well-known within the Porsche community.?FedEx also has a service, which I know nothing about.

Rodney

From gswaybright at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 29 21:10:06 2008
From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:10:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Car Transport 2
In-Reply-To: <8CA78825216C2AB-1774-39FF@webmail-nc18.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <358016.8206.qm@web31705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I've used Intercity Lines for about 11 cross country car moves (two relos of 4 cars at once, plus a few other single car transports). You can't beat their service and care and they pickup and deliver door to door. The driver even checked all four cars coolant and added antifreeze as needed when I moved from Houston to the New York in the middle of February. This was a few hours after he had picked up the cars and I called his cell # when I realized I hadn't checked it (I generally ran distilled water w/ "Water weter in Houston). Their cost is reasonable against other enclosed carriers when I've checked.

Stephen Waybright

From Tigerman67 at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 29 22:15:38 2008
From: Tigerman67 at hotmail.com (Tiger Man)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:15:38 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Car Transport
References: <002001c8aa4f$49df04f0$0205a8c0@acer>
Message-ID: <BAY119-DAV3CC7195CE744AED956B7DC1D80@phx.gbl>

I looked into shipping a car once and a motorcycle once.  Both times were 
educational in that I found that most of the people offering to ship the car 
were brokers, and they would call and call and call and call even after you 
told them no thanks. The brokers also seemed willing to promise you anything 
on the phone, but the written quotes contained loopholes that based on some 
horror stories I heard, could be very ugly when they don't pick up the car 
when they say, or they take 4 times as long to deliver it, and argue with 
you over the damage they cause.   I ended up driving or flying to pick up 
the vehicle both times, it was just cheaper and easier for me.

But the list has had several recommendations in the past.  I know one of 
them was for Passport auto transport, which has been bought by Fedex Custom 
Critical several years ago, and seems to have the specialize enclosed trucks 
for transporting with lift mechanisms so your car doesn't even have to drive 
up a ramp.

Good luck, and let us know how it turns out.
Steve
.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tony Day" <tonbren at chariot.net.au>
To: <Tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 5:18 PM
Subject: [Tigers] Car Transport


> Hi
>
> I know this has been covered several times since I have been on the list 
> but
> hopefully someone can help.
> I have just bought a Saleen Parnelli Jones Mustang and need to ship it 
> from
> Lake Havasu AZ to Oakland CA in the next 2 weeks.
>
> I got  quote from DAS and they will only pick it up in Las Vegas and 
> deliver
> it to Hayward which doesn't help much.
>
> Regards
>
> Tony
> South Australia
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From macdonald49 at shaw.ca  Tue Apr 29 22:42:39 2008
From: macdonald49 at shaw.ca (Peter MacDonald)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:42:39 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Central CA listers help?
Message-ID: <8BF72243-FC09-4968-BDDE-71D41A0BF4CF@shaw.ca>

My next project involves redoing my Dad's '73 Ranchero GT. I have an  
offer of 2 rust free doors for free! The catch is that they are  
located near Salinas,CA and the fellow who has them won't ship them.  
If anyone can help out please contact me off list. I would gladly pay  
for gas & costs involved. Actually gas here was  above $1.30/liter  
today!


Peter

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Tue Apr 29 22:48:22 2008
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:48:22 +1000
Subject: [Tigers] Central CA listers help?
In-Reply-To: <8BF72243-FC09-4968-BDDE-71D41A0BF4CF@shaw.ca>
References: <8BF72243-FC09-4968-BDDE-71D41A0BF4CF@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <d86d088a0804292148u473bd40ege45a6bfcc747d32f@mail.gmail.com>

On 30/04/2008, Peter MacDonald <macdonald49 at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>  Actually gas here was  above $1.30/liter
> today!
>
>
> Peter


I fueled my tiger last night... AU$67.38 for 43 litres..... AU$ is about
US$0.93 at the moment.. these things are not cheap to run!





-- 
Regards

Michael King

From achd73 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 30 00:53:36 2008
From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony Somebody)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:53:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch- IL. Hillman and Tiger- S5 too
Message-ID: <779247.35602.qm@web30305.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If memory srevs, centerforce makse 3 clutches- one for a stock type drive train, the middle one for a higher HP output and the last for all out race cars. I bought the middle one although Im not running enough power to warrant but was thinking about the future. I love the clutch compared to all Ive bought previously and it was a next day delivery at O'Rileys parts store and priced less  than Summitt I believe. TonytheTiger

PS- There is a Hillman north of me- orginal tires still on the car (Its ON EPAY)A Vauxall engine and tranny- 13k miles or so- has set for years inside- interior dry rotted but owner told me it wasnt rusty- he did or perhaps his Dad sprayed it years ago- 217 779 0562 if anyone is interested. I think he is about 220 miles from me IF anyone is really interested, I will make a personal inspection for gas cost. Also a Tiger north of me about 1.5 hours or less. I met the owners last fall. He claimed the Tiger stood straight up when his son attempted to drag race it at a local drag strip. Barry in Evansville knows the folks. Also a nice S5.
I didnt find any trace of rivets behind the gas tanks and there is no side moulding- I cant swear to the generator dent BUT Im thiking there wasnt one. He said the car was registered w/ Norm prior to his purchase but I would want another inspection prior to making a statement about authenticity- SO, please, no one say that I said it isnt a real Tiger. The body was straight with no apparent rust repair- I would also go and inspect, take pics etc if there is anyone really interested. He had 3 other big block , factory four speed fords BUT my friend went to look at those, I was looking at the Beams, so Im not sure what the models where BUT nice cars to own, that much I do remember- I have that number too- email me off list if you want to talk to the owner.


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From rjw at wengco.com  Wed Apr 30 06:22:33 2008
From: rjw at wengco.com (Robert J. Wanty)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:22:33 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Central CA listers help?
Message-ID: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C57DD867@weco1.wengco.com>

At least it is only 11 gallons at a time, My boat holds 275 gallons and gets
0.75 MPG!!!

Bob
B382001318

-----Original Message-----
From: michael king [mailto:michael.s.king at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:48 AM
To: Peter MacDonald
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Central CA listers help?

On 30/04/2008, Peter MacDonald <macdonald49 at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>  Actually gas here was  above $1.30/liter
> today!
>
>
> Peter


I fueled my tiger last night... AU$67.38 for 43 litres..... AU$ is about
US$0.93 at the moment.. these things are not cheap to run!





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From GRMTim at aol.com  Wed Apr 30 06:27:44 2008
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:27:44 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Classic Motorsports Tiger finished
Message-ID: <d60.2869bb9d.3549bfc0@aol.com>

Our car is pretty much done and we are taking it for its first public showing 
this weekend at Road Atlanta for the Mitty. Ford is the featured marque and 
Ford is sponsoring a huge car corral. I would love to show you guys the car and 
compare notes. Details on both the car and this event are at our site: 
www.ClassicMotorsports.com. 

Stories start in the July issue that just went to press along with a side 
story on buying Tigers and the Doane Spencer car. Also wrote something on Tiger 
clubs. You can order this issue for free on our site or pick it up on 
newsstands in about four weeks.

I am very happy with how the car came out and want to thank all of you who 
helped me build it, especially Tom Hall at ModTiger Engineering and Bill Martin 
of Rootes Group Depot. Also need to shout out to Johnn Weber, the guys at 
Abacus Racing, who built one hell of an engine, Curt from Classic Sunbeam, Tiger 
Joe, who happens to live in my neighborhood and who has proven to be 
indispensible and Barry Schonberger for helping me put the perfect rear end together.

The car is docile and comfortable on the street and well, just a Tiger when 
you hit the gas. Still need to sort a few things but man am I happy with how 
this one came out. My life long dream to own a nice Tiger is now fullfilled. 
Can't wait to run some tours and take it to Monterey this summer.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
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From PhastPhill at aol.com  Wed Apr 30 07:05:34 2008
From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:05:34 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Central CA listers help?
Message-ID: <bc3.26896454.3549c89e@aol.com>

In 1995 I paid AU $1.50 per liter for "petrol" at Rabbit Flat. Had to camp  
over night to get it as it's only open 3-4 days a week. I was happy to get it 
as  I don't think we had enough to do the whole Tanimi Track and I was not  
going to try and find out. I used to have an old dual fuel Torana as well in  
Adelaide and "gas" was much cheaper than "petrol", and the old chevy six did'nt  
seem to mind.

From mark.rense at ge.com  Wed Apr 30 07:14:51 2008
From: mark.rense at ge.com (Rense, Mark (GE Indust, ConsInd))
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:14:51 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Car Transport 2
In-Reply-To: <8CA78825216C2AB-1774-39FF@webmail-nc18.sysops.aol.com>
References: <009c01c8aa66$9142cf40$0205a8c0@acer>
	<8CA78825216C2AB-1774-39FF@webmail-nc18.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <F039BAF0D766724ABE5A33EEDB320E5A046A4B3B@LOUMLVEM03.e2k.ad.ge.com>

I have used Passport on several occasions, they are owned by FedEx now
but still offer the enclosed trailer door-to-door service. You can get a
quote instantly from them by going on to their website. I just checked
the rates for a move and they were competitive with the two other
companies I checked. All of them are now charging a substantial fuel
surcharge.

 http://passport.fedex.com

Bugz

From un-cole-a at juno.com  Wed Apr 30 08:07:11 2008
From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:07:11 GMT
Subject: [Tigers] Central CA listers help?
Message-ID: <20080430.100711.9780.5@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>

Time to sell the boat and get another Tiger :)
Or trade the boat in for a smaller one. 275 gallons!!! How big is the boat???

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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Wed Apr 30 10:11:50 2008
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:11:50 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Classic Motorsports Tiger finished
References: <d60.2869bb9d.3549bfc0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <012b01c8aadc$e6716fa0$0202a8c0@student2>

The site listed in Tim's email was http://www.classicmotorsports.com/ . 
That turned out to be a Corvette sales site.

I'm sure Tim is a busy guy and meant to link us to 
http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/ 

From GRMTim at aol.com  Wed Apr 30 10:22:50 2008
From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:22:50 EDT
Subject: [Tigers] Classic Motorsports Tiger finished
Message-ID: <ce0.2ba2b4fa.3549f6da@aol.com>

Yes, it is correct in my signature. Either classicmotorsports.net (where the
Tiger is) or GrassrootsMotorsports.com
Thanks. I should proof my own stuff better. Didn't really have time to post
this a.m., but wanted to let people know car wa done and will be at the
Mitty.

Tim Suddard
Publisher; Classic Motorsports
and Grassroots Motorsports magazines
www.classicmotorsports.net
www.grassrootsmotorsports.com
Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040
In a message dated 4/30/08 12:13:05 PM, atwittsend at verizon.net writes:


> The site listed in Tim's email was http://www.classicmotorsports.com/ .
> That turned out to be a Corvette sales site.
>
> I'm sure Tim is a busy guy and meant to link us to
> http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/
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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Wed Apr 30 17:37:08 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:37:08 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Classic Motorsports Tiger finished
In-Reply-To: <012b01c8aadc$e6716fa0$0202a8c0@student2>
References: <d60.2869bb9d.3549bfc0@aol.com>
	<012b01c8aadc$e6716fa0$0202a8c0@student2>
Message-ID: <481902A4.3040600@SoCal.rr.com>

Thom, et all

The correct address is:

http://www.classicmotorsports.net/

Steve
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Thomas Witt wrote:
> The site listed in Tim's email was http://www.classicmotorsports.com/ . 
> That turned out to be a Corvette sales site.
>
> I'm sure Tim is a busy guy and meant to link us to 
> http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/ 

From mgman71 at comcast.net  Wed Apr 30 18:21:35 2008
From: mgman71 at comcast.net (George Re)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:21:35 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Hose clamps
Message-ID: <007701c8ab21$524abf80$0201a8c0@homeqp0ya3bbsv>

I know I asked before about this but I would like to know this before this
weekend.  Would anyone know the hose clamp sizes? for a 260 Tiger upper and
lower and heater hose size.

Thank You
George Re

From mrlau at charter.net  Wed Apr 30 18:37:21 2008
From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:37:21 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Central CA listers help?
In-Reply-To: <27F494EAF05F5741B4BF2215652F46C57DD867@weco1.wengco.com>
Message-ID: <20080501003748.DMFF4495.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark>

Bob,
Is there any way you can put a Prius on board and hook the wheels up to the
prop shaft. -- Bill --

At least it is only 11 gallons at a time, My boat holds 275 gallons and gets
0.75 MPG!!!

Bob
B382001318

-----Original Message-----
From: michael king [mailto:michael.s.king at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:48 AM
To: Peter MacDonald
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Central CA listers help?

On 30/04/2008, Peter MacDonald <macdonald49 at shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>  Actually gas here was  above $1.30/liter
> today!
>
>
> Peter


I fueled my tiger last night... AU$67.38 for 43 litres..... AU$ is about
US$0.93 at the moment.. these things are not cheap to run!





--
Regards

From todbrown at roadrunner.com  Wed Apr 30 20:31:41 2008
From: todbrown at roadrunner.com (Tod Brown)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:31:41 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] 275 gallon boat
Message-ID: <48192B8D.9050603@roadrunner.com>

Bob:

Most of us enjoy the sound of our Tigers, so spending our money on gas 
for them is a necessary evil.
However, going out on the water is much more inviting, IMHO, in a 
sailboat.  Much quieter, which
occasionally appeals to me in my old age, and much more economical!

Tod
B382002384LRXFE

From rpalmerbob at roadrunner.com  Wed Apr 30 23:21:16 2008
From: rpalmerbob at roadrunner.com (Robert Palmer)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:21:16 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] MC bore
In-Reply-To: <002901c8aa2d$1c3477f0$2a50010a@in.dynetics.com>
References: <002901c8aa2d$1c3477f0$2a50010a@in.dynetics.com>
Message-ID: <002701c8ab4b$2e873950$8b95abf0$@com>

The master cylinder and slave cylinder bores have nothing to do with the
force on the pressure plate bolts - just the pressure on your foot.

-----Original Message-----
From: tigers-bounces+rpalmerbob=roadrunner.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:tigers-bounces+rpalmerbob=roadrunner.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Bob
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:14 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] MC bore

I'm not sure on the master cylinder size off of the top of my head, but
anyone with this problem should verify the master and slave cylinders are
the correct size.   My wheel alignment guy once told me 'It takes two men
and a boy to work that clutch'.   I was 20 years old and thought nothing of
it, it was what it was.   Years later, the bolts in the pressure plate broke
due to over-actuating the clutch (MC too big, or slave too small).   When I
fixed both the hydraulics and the pressure plate, the car was much easier to
drive, even with a stiffer than stock pressure plate.   Sometime in the cars
life a previous owner or shop had put on the wrong part.

 

--Bob

 

 

>Message: 7

>Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:36:51 +0100

>From: "Owain Lloyd" <owain.lloyd at gmail.com>

>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Clutch

>To: "Sandy Ganz" <sganz at pacbell.net>, "sunbeam john"

>     <sunbeamjohn at msn.com>,  "tigers at autox.team.net"

>     <tigers at autox.team.net>

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> 

>What's the stock mc bore? My clutch is hard as hell too.  Gives me cramp in
traffic!  Po had a 7/8" >tilton mc which I suspect is larger bore than
stock.
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From SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com  Wed Apr 30 19:53:59 2008
From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com (Steve Laifman)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:53:59 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Contact information for Rob Martel
Message-ID: <481922B7.5030803@SoCal.rr.com>

Wayne, & Tigers,

Due to a request from Wayne for information on Rob Martel, I sent him an 
e-mail.

He responded in the attached correspondence.

I am sorry that he is no longer in the Tiger parts business.  However, I 
disagree with his referral to Vic Brit, and recommend Sunbeam 
Specialties as a respected, reliable and high quality supplier.

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Hi Steve

 I am presently working on a new intake plenium for the new 6.3 Ltr BOSS
Mustang and am not doing much Sunbeam work. My website is due for an update,
but it won't be with Sunbeams. Due to a royal F*****g from a Pathological liar
named Tom Clare, my interest in Sunbeams has been severed . Thank Tom for my
retirement and Please take me off your contact list.  If interested, check out
a small display of my craftsmanship at www.robmartel.shutterfly.com

I will contact Wayne, I sold him some parts ten years ago for his MK2 Tiger
and he was very happy. Those that stand tall always are. I'll stand back and
send future customer's to Victoria British.

Rob Martel
a.k.a Tigger



ate: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:57:18 -0700From: SLaifman at SoCal.rr.comTo:
robmartel at hotmail.comCC: w_pierzga at msn.comSubject: [Fwd: Re: [Tigers] Contact
information for Rob Martel]
Rob,A Tiger List Member, Wayne, seems to have difficulty reaching you.  Here
is a copy of our correspondence.If you are still in business, please
respond.If you are not, let me know to remove you from our "Suppliers List" on
TigersUnited.com.Steve
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--Forwarded Message Attachment--From: w_pierzga at msn.comTo:
SLaifman at SoCal.rr.comSubject: RE: [Tigers] Contact information for Rob
MartelDate: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:26:52 -0400







Steve:

Are you sure he is still around? I tried the phone number on his catalog and
it is WRONG  someone answers who says he is not Martel but gets lots of call
for him. I have not received a reply to my emails to him or to his Tell Me
page.

Best wishes,

Wayne





From: Steve Laifman [mailto:SLaifman at SoCal.rr.com] Sent: Monday, April 28,
2008 3:52 PMTo: MSNCc: 'Tiger List'Subject: Re: [Tigers] Contact information
for Rob Martel

Oh, Yes,He apparently does not want phone calls, so e-mail him through his own
e-mail
page:http://tellme.bss.ab.ca/prothos/tellme.x/main.p?!=public=12094121866575=
1=20674460&Key=RME___Steve LaifmanEditor - TigersUnited.com
Steve Laifman wrote: Wayne, Rob Martel can be located through his web site:
http://www.robmartel.com/ Steve ___Steve LaifmanEditor - TigersUnited.com
MSN wrote:
I am trying to get in touch with Rob Martel to get some sheet metal partsfor
my Alpine. Would someone give me a current phone number to reach him?The
number on his web site is wrong... Thanks, Wayne
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