From rootes1 at earthlink.net Sat Sep 1 13:02:11 2007 From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 12:02:11 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] HUNTING THE MAN ADDITION Message-ID: Maybe a picture of his car will spark someone to recall Mr. Brian Boyer and his important contact details. Possibly one of you will know the chassis number of this Scott Woerth restoration. When I asked Scott he simply laughed. http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/boyer/mk2-postcard-small.jpg Thanks, again ncm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.1/982 - Release Date: 8/31/2007 5:21 PM From kneedrag at core.com Sat Sep 1 16:29:46 2007 From: kneedrag at core.com (Mark Rense) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:29:46 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 66 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I was never able to get the door shut lines on B38200991 to be very clean and tight until Doug Jennings pointed out that the interior door panels were too thick and kept the doors from closing flush. Since then I have removed some material and shaved off some of the door edging and things improved. At least the door doesn't fly open coming out of the carousel at Nelsons Ledges anymore! Bugz ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- just to prompt a bit of discussing on the list as its pretty quiet of late. Ebay Item number: 300146707347 for a car at this price the lines on this car are terrible. It looks like the doors trunk and hood thrown at is form a distance ! Not worth the starting price even though its over shiny. Thoughts ? -- Jeff Howarth From mrlau at charter.net Sat Sep 1 16:40:57 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 17:40:57 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 66 Message-ID: <20070901224247.YKCD7864.aa03.charter.net@aardvark> The car body is quite crooked. The reflection in the paint can be warped by the curvature but it shouldn't be wavy at the same time. Look closely at the frame rails too. They don't look right either. For this price we shouldn't be able to see any flaws in pictures. -Bill -- just to prompt a bit of discussing on the list as its pretty quiet of late. Ebay Item number: 300146707347 for a car at this price the lines on this car are terrible. It looks like the doors trunk and hood thrown at is form a distance ! Not worth the starting price even though its over shiny. Thoughts ? -- Jeff Howarth From maliburevue at yahoo.com Sat Sep 1 19:50:42 2007 From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary Crandall) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Need Original Crank Pulley In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <213571.68654.qm@web33201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> My Tiger is done, so I am helping several friends put their cars back together. One of them is in need of an original crank pulley. If anyone out there has one they are willing to part with, please contact me offline. Thanks. Gary B382001405 maliburevue at yahoo.com --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. From motoys2001 at comcast.net Sun Sep 2 20:43:28 2007 From: motoys2001 at comcast.net (motoys2001 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 02:43:28 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] Shelby Track Event & Vintage Ford Car Show Autobahn Joliet Message-ID: <090320070243.10582.46DB74CF000B7C76000029562200750330CECFCFCD9C97019B0103@comcast.net> This is a call out for all fellow Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, Iowa and Minnesota Tiger Owners. Shelby Track Event & Vintage Ford Car Show Autobahn Joliet Sunday September 30, 2007. http://www.chicago-mustang.com/autobahn2007.pdf It would be nice to have a few Tigers represent what Vintage/Shelby/Ford really is! Hope to see you there From TIGEROOTES at aol.com Sun Sep 2 20:48:25 2007 From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 22:48:25 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 66 Message-ID: From: "Bob Hokanson" Why would the windshield wipers be parked on the driver's side? Bob H Good eye, Bob! Jim ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From walmenke at bigpond.net.au Mon Sep 3 06:14:07 2007 From: walmenke at bigpond.net.au (Wally Menke) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 22:14:07 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] MSD Ignition Message-ID: <007601c7ee23$edb7cbe0$3a5abf7c@computer> Can anyone out there help me with an MSD ignition problem? Their tech support is non-existant! I have a 6AL module fitted to my Tiger with rev limiter. After about 20-30 minutes of running the rev limiter cuts in at 1/4 of the rated revs, ie. With a 6000 rpm chip it cuts out at 1500 rpm, with 8000 rpm chip it cuts out at 2000 rpm. When I pull the chip out the car runs fine! But I'd rather run with the rev limiter in place for protection. Any ideas out there? Regards Wally Menke B9471793 From JParent4 at tampabay.rr.com Mon Sep 3 06:28:56 2007 From: JParent4 at tampabay.rr.com (Jim Parent) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 08:28:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] MSD Ignition In-Reply-To: <007601c7ee23$edb7cbe0$3a5abf7c@computer> Message-ID: <000001c7ee25$ff548bc0$6701a8c0@T60> >From the MSD site: 8. How do I fix: . A high rpm miss when the engine is under load? . An rpm limiter that seems to activate at the wrong rpm? . Erratic operation of electronic devices/ECUs? . A tachometer needle that seems to "bounce"? All of the above can be caused by Electro Magnetic Interference (EMI) generated by the ignition system. Specifically through the coil and spark plug wires. The ignition system is a miniature power station and the spark plug wires are its transmission lines. The wires (in particular, "solid core" wires) can broadcast EMI that seeps into electronics and causes erratic behavior. To combat EMI you need to run a set of helically wound spark plug wires such as MSD's Heli-Core or 8.5mm Super Conductor Wires. Having the conductor wound around a special center core produces a "choke" that holds EMI inside the wire. Solid core wires on the other hand, have no suppression capabilities and should not be used with an MSD Ignition. MSD's Super Conductor Wires have extremely low resistance (less than 50 ohms per foot), yet are designed to suppress EMI like a high resistance wire. ------------------- Can anyone out there help me with an MSD ignition problem? From motoys2001 at comcast.net Mon Sep 3 08:29:17 2007 From: motoys2001 at comcast.net (motoys2001 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 14:29:17 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] MSD Ignition Message-ID: <090320071429.25100.46DC1A3D00068F8B0000620C2207300033CECFCFCD9C97019B0103@comcast.net> Hello Wally, Double check to see if you have the cylinder select set for 8 cylinders http://www.msdignition.com/pdf/6%20series/6series.pdf see page 4 of 24 Good luck, Henry V From tsmit at shaw.ca Mon Sep 3 09:32:18 2007 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 09:32:18 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] MSD Ignition In-Reply-To: <000001c7ee25$ff548bc0$6701a8c0@T60> References: <000001c7ee25$ff548bc0$6701a8c0@T60> Message-ID: <46DC2902.6020603@shaw.ca> Wally, I think Jim is on the right track with the EMI angle. Definitely make sure you're using good quality ignition wires and resistor type plugs. I've used Moroso wires on my Tiger and they were good quality. Accel (yellow wires with orange boots) came with the car and they sucked - the wires pulled out of the terminals, despite me taking care to grab the ends only. In other applications I used NGK wires because they're simply indestructible. Like the description of the MSD wires in Jim's note, they have helical-wound conductors that give EMI suppression with negligible resistance. On my Tiger I installed the MSD box in the driver's kickpanel. I wired the magnetic trigger from the distributor to the MSD by running it around the passenger side of the engine, through the firewall, and along the instrument panel. The high-voltage, high current coil wires went straight forward from the MSD, through the firewall, and to the coil that I mounted on the front of the left cylinder head. That way the input and output wires from the MSD never came close to each other. You definitely don't want to run the trigger wires beside the coil wires for any distance because you will get misfires. Also make sure your high-current ground and power connections are tight... Good luck, Theo From dickbarker at earthlink.net Mon Sep 3 13:09:32 2007 From: dickbarker at earthlink.net (Dick Barker) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:09:32 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Windshield Wiper parking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:00 AM 9/3/2007, tigers-request at autox.team.net wrote: >From: "Bob Hokanson" > > >Why would the windshield wipers be parked on the driver's side? > >Bob H My guess is that they removed the wipers when they did their "super" detailing job on the car. When it is was done, they positioned the wiper blades on the driver's side, then pushed the arms back on the shafts. Chances are the shafts are actually in the correct parked position. Imagine what will happen when the wipers are finally turned on again! :-D Dick From AndersonB at saccounty.net Tue Sep 4 11:17:14 2007 From: AndersonB at saccounty.net (Anderson. Bruce (DA)) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 10:17:14 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: <43B2F5754EE87842A612584D64E2C66403F21F3E@da-exch01.da.saccounty.net> ____________________________________________________________________________ COUNTY OF SACRAMENTO EMAIL DISCLAIMER: This email and any attachments thereto may contain private, confidential, and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, copying, or distribution of this email (or any attachments thereto) by other than the County of Sacramento or the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copies of this email and any attachments thereto. _____________________________________________________________________________ From AndersonB at saccounty.net Tue Sep 4 11:22:48 2007 From: AndersonB at saccounty.net (Anderson. Bruce (DA)) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 10:22:48 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] ebay Car In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <43B2F5754EE87842A612584D64E2C66403F21F3F@da-exch01.da.saccounty.net> Not to nit pick, but for a car that someone has put a lot of effort in, what is with the crooked sunbeam letters on the trunk? A little more attention to detail would have gone a long ways for a car commanding such a high price. Bruce 9472278 ____________________________________________________________________________ COUNTY OF SACRAMENTO EMAIL DISCLAIMER: This email and any attachments thereto may contain private, confidential, and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, copying, or distribution of this email (or any attachments thereto) by other than the County of Sacramento or the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copies of this email and any attachments thereto. _____________________________________________________________________________ From rootes1 at earthlink.net Tue Sep 4 11:26:08 2007 From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 10:26:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] ebay Car In-Reply-To: <43B2F5754EE87842A612584D64E2C66403F21F3F@da-exch01.da.sacc ounty.net> References: <43B2F5754EE87842A612584D64E2C66403F21F3F@da-exch01.da.saccounty.net> Message-ID: Just in case you've missed it: http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/stlouis/stlouis.htm At 10:22 AM 9/4/2007, Anderson. Bruce \(DA\) wrote: >Not to nit pick... -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/988 - Release Date: 9/4/2007 9:14 AM From PHEMISG at tc.gc.ca Tue Sep 4 12:44:08 2007 From: PHEMISG at tc.gc.ca (Phemister, George) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:44:08 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] JAP Pierce mags In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have a set too. I should have some pics of them on the car. George From atwittsend at verizon.net Tue Sep 4 13:09:59 2007 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:09:59 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] ebay Car References: <43B2F5754EE87842A612584D64E2C66403F21F3F@da-exch01.da.saccounty.net> Message-ID: <005101c7ef27$313b95a0$0202a8c0@allinthefamily> Seems there are a number of "Tigers" on Ebay (search Ebay). I am not trying to personally disqualify any of these cars, but I would think the term "Buyer Beware" applies to any purchase. Maybe I'm expecting too much, but I would assume anyone selling a Tiger would want to present it in a way that avoids suspicion. Even before the Red Tiger of dubious numbers (provided by Norm) closes there is the blue Tiger with "little" information one would think should be presented for sale (VIN/JAL, pictures etc.). There is the first red Tiger Norm has already clued us in on. Even more interesting is the green and primer Tiger. It leaves one to wonder why the owner won't disclose the VIN/JAL and..., also why there are people in Europe creating a "database." Maybe the European "database" is the reason he is withholding the numbers, but if I was buying the car, I would want to know. Then there is a second red Tiger one is not likely to find many real Tiger parts left on it because it is so modified. There is still a third Tiger with a self made VIN plate. Only the white Tiger seems to walk and quack like a duck. It seems to accurately represent it's self. Rest assured if one wanted a Tiger clone, there is an Alpine advertised on Ebay to do simply that. And, at a significantly lower cost. Tom Original post: > Just in case you've missed > it: http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/stlouis/stlouis.htm > > At 10:22 AM 9/4/2007, Anderson. Bruce \(DA\) wrote: > > >Not to nit pick... From rootes1 at earthlink.net Tue Sep 4 13:24:56 2007 From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:24:56 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] ebay Car In-Reply-To: <005101c7ef27$313b95a0$0202a8c0@allinthefamily> References: <43B2F5754EE87842A612584D64E2C66403F21F3F@da-exch01.da.saccounty.net> <005101c7ef27$313b95a0$0202a8c0@allinthefamily> Message-ID: No matter what it's called, the all round cornered body on B382001492 disqualifies it. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-SUNBEAM-TIGER-1966-SUNBEAM-TIGER_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6057QQihZ007QQitemZ170145401790QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW ncm At 12:09 PM 9/4/2007, Thomas Witt wrote: >...Then there is a second red Tiger one is not likely to find many real Tiger >parts left on it because it is so modified... -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.5/988 - Release Date: 9/4/2007 9:14 AM From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Tue Sep 4 14:37:51 2007 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:37:51 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] ebay Car In-Reply-To: <005101c7ef27$313b95a0$0202a8c0@allinthefamily> Message-ID: A few more pictures of the blue car can be found here... http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/8/1/89367081.htm (homepage: http://ww2.collectorcartraderonline.com/) Paul > >Even before the Red Tiger of dubious numbers (provided by Norm) closes >there >is the blue Tiger with "little" information one would think should be >presented for sale (VIN/JAL, pictures etc.). _________________________________________________________________ Share your special parenting moments! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us From CoolVT at aol.com Tue Sep 4 14:55:21 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:55:21 EDT Subject: [Tigers] ebay Car Message-ID: In a message dated 9/4/2007 4:39:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, prbreuhan at hotmail.com writes: http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/8/1/89367081.htm The 4th picture shows part of the exhaust. I don't think I've ever seen a piece of flex pipe like that on an exhaust. Is that legal in some of your states? I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be here. Mark ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Sep 4 15:04:04 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 15:04:04 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] ebay Car Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157108BF6@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> There's a stainless bellows inside the braided protective cover. You will find a piece like that near the exhaust manifold of many current cars, although the one shown is extremely short - normally they're 8 or 9 inches long. Theo From lpaulick at comcast.net Tue Sep 4 15:23:17 2007 From: lpaulick at comcast.net (Larry Paulick) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:23:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] ebay Car In-Reply-To: References: <43B2F5754EE87842A612584D64E2C66403F21F3F@da-exch01.da.saccounty.net> Message-ID: <46DDCCC5.6030909@comcast.net> Good Job Norm. Larry Norman C. Miller wrote: >Just in case you've missed >it: http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/stlouis/stlouis.htm > >At 10:22 AM 9/4/2007, Anderson. Bruce \(DA\) wrote: > > > >>Not to nit pick... From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Sep 4 15:30:10 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 15:30:10 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Exhaust flex couplings Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157108BF8@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> http://thmotorsports.com/vibrant/vibrant-exhaust-fabrication-flex-coupli ngs/g-50541.aspx This reduces bending stresses, not torsional stress (unfortunately that's probably the dominant issue with a system like the Tiger's). The most common application for these things is on transverse engine installations, where the torque coupling of the engine causes bending stress on the exhaust. Theo From brichards at fineeyes.com Tue Sep 4 15:40:00 2007 From: brichards at fineeyes.com (Bruce) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:40:00 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Brake shoe retaining clip Message-ID: <002701c7ef3c$2658d2a0$6400a8c0@D3FDRK91> While trying to adjust my rear brakes this weekend, I broke one of the small spring clip retainers that holds the brake shoe to the axle. Can someone give me a source for these clips/or tell me what other cars used this type of clip so I can get a kit? I have had no luck at the local parts stores, (O'Riley just kinda stared glassy eyed at me after they asked what car it was for, then said sorry can't help you. At least the guy at autozone looked thru his kits with no luck). Thanks, Bruce B9470147 From robin02 at mindspring.com Tue Sep 4 18:39:13 2007 From: robin02 at mindspring.com (RObin Young) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:39:13 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] ebay Car In-Reply-To: References: <005101c7ef27$313b95a0$0202a8c0@allinthefamily> Message-ID: <003c01c7ef55$322cbd80$6900a8c0@RobinLaptop> Paul Wrote: A few more pictures of the blue car can be found here... http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/8/1/89367081.htm What are the issues with the blue car other than the missing Vin #? I must have missed the string on it. Thanks RObin From parlanti at comcast.net Tue Sep 4 19:04:24 2007 From: parlanti at comcast.net (Joe Parlanti) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 21:04:24 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Brake shoe retaining clip In-Reply-To: <002701c7ef3c$2658d2a0$6400a8c0@D3FDRK91> Message-ID: <000001c7ef58$b3ba4cc0$650fa8c0@JVPPC> Bruce, One of the few parts I was missing when I reassembled my car were these clips. I was able to find a set that worked perfectly. I can't remember what car they were from, possibly a Ford Escort, but the NAPA part number is 81439. Hope this helps, Joe Parlanti B382000026 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+parlanti=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+parlanti=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 5:40 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Brake shoe retaining clip While trying to adjust my rear brakes this weekend, I broke one of the small spring clip retainers that holds the brake shoe to the axle. Can someone give me a source for these clips/or tell me what other cars used this type of clip so I can get a kit? I have had no luck at the local parts stores, (O'Riley just kinda stared glassy eyed at me after they asked what car it was for, then said sorry can't help you. At least the guy at autozone looked thru his kits with no luck). Thanks, Bruce B9470147 From PhastPhill at aol.com Tue Sep 4 20:08:22 2007 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 22:08:22 EDT Subject: [Tigers] ebay Car Message-ID: Well I think the interior is the wrong colour.I don't think it should have an alternator, no fan shroud, some strange looking wiring. Strange looking exhaust. Fine if you like this on your car, if your going to do a ground up and ask big bucks, should be close to original and not have a cd player. Just my impression.. From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 4 21:08:04 2007 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:08:04 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] ebay Car In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001c01c7ef69$fb932ec0$6500a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> Wow, Which is worth more an original car un-restored with all its original parts in running condition? A resorted car with a warmed up motor in great condition but personalized? Or a totally restored to bone stock specs from the factory but using some after market parts? And how much does the color matter? I mean is a red car worth more than a blue car if the colors are original? Or is Forest Green the king? More cars had that color than any other. Not counting the shades of white of course. Does anyone know what the rarest color of all happens to be? This is not a test I am just curious. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse Well I think the interior is the wrong colour.I don't think it should have an alternator, no fan shroud, some strange looking wiring. Strange looking exhaust. Fine if you like this on your car, if your going to do a ground up and ask big bucks, should be close to original and not have a cd player. Just my impression.. From DJoh797014 at aol.com Tue Sep 4 21:33:46 2007 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 23:33:46 EDT Subject: [Tigers] ebay Car Message-ID: Simple. Its the Playboy Pink Tiger. Dave ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From MWood24020 at aol.com Tue Sep 4 21:41:40 2007 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 23:41:40 EDT Subject: [Tigers] ebay Car Message-ID: In a message dated 9/4/2007 7:08:42 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net writes: Which is worth more an original car un-restored with all its original parts in running condition? A resorted car with a warmed up motor in great condition but personalized? Or a totally restored to bone stock specs from the factory but using some after market parts? It is an interesting question. I believe, and so far the market does as well, that Tigers are going to continue to be similar to Panteras, where well done modifications (to improve on basic design flaws) are going to be well received by the majority of the market place and fetch prices at least equal to most "restored" cars...but, painstaking restorations entirely true to original should command a premium from those more interested in collecting or showing than driving or doing track days. The "holy grail" will be true survivors that are too nice to restore...or drive...and the very few cars that have any truly significant history. I don't believe Tigers are going to follow the Corvette "Bloomington Gold" path to "correct" overspray, chalk marks and other minutiae becoming the obsession of the majority of owners...thank goodness!! Mike ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From tsmit at shaw.ca Tue Sep 4 21:48:31 2007 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:48:31 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] ebay Car In-Reply-To: <001c01c7ef69$fb932ec0$6500a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> References: <001c01c7ef69$fb932ec0$6500a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> Message-ID: <46DE270F.3020908@shaw.ca> The best part of Tiger ownership is that there seems to be little groupthink when it comes to determining the "right" state of a given Tiger, provided that the workmanship that got it to its current condition is evident. Your Tiger can be a stock survivor, a personalized cruiser, or a no-holds-barred track day car - you'll get compliments from a lot of people even if they'd never consider what you did as an example for their own car, so long as your car shows some pride of ownership and it's not misrepresented. And this is what appears to be the problem with at least several of the current eBay crop. We have one car with known Alpine pedigree (it appears to be gone now...), one VIN for a middle-production Mk1A Tiger on a round-corner body, and a couple more asking top stock-survivor / 100 point restoration dollars, where the attention to detail is clearly not there, either in the description or in the workmanship itself. It has little to do with the color... but a seller can't claim "original paint" on a red Tiger when the paint code on the VIN is 86. If the seller is purposely deceiving the prospective buyers then that's fraud. If they don't know, they shouldn't be writing up the feature sheet on the car. Either way the value of the car goes way down, because the risk is way higher. Theo Ross wrote: > Wow, > > Which is worth more an original car un-restored with all its original parts > in running condition? A resorted car with a warmed up motor in great > condition but personalized? Or a totally restored to bone stock specs from > the factory but using some after market parts? From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 4 22:05:25 2007 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 21:05:25 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] ebay Car In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001501c7ef71$fdd11730$6500a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> Dave, I heard that paint job was water based paint over the 86 color code and washed off after the photo shoot. True or False? Ross Simple. It's the Playboy Pink Tiger. Dave From MWood24020 at aol.com Tue Sep 4 22:20:37 2007 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 00:20:37 EDT Subject: [Tigers] ebay Car Message-ID: In a message dated 9/4/2007 8:05:59 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net writes: Dave, I heard that paint job was water based paint over the 86 color code and washed off after the photo shoot. True or False? Ross Was it washed off by a guy in a leather apron, wielding a sledge hammer? :-) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From gswaybright at yahoo.com Wed Sep 5 08:17:14 2007 From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 07:17:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] was ebay Car, now - relative values In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <646330.53080.qm@web31711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I agree that Tiger values will share the Pantera trend of rewarding well executed mods. I pray that you're right about Tigers not following the Corvette "Bloomington Gold" path to "correct" overspray, chalk marks and other minutiae becoming the obsession of the majority of owners. That's just not what car enthusiasm is about. Even preservationists of other historic relics (furniture, art) don't adhere to such an approach for museum pieces. They are nice testiments to someone's effort, but not worth any more to me than an otherwise well restored car without the obsessive compulse driven markings, etc. --- MWood24020 at aol.com wrote: It is an interesting question. I believe, and so far the market does > as > well, that Tigers are going to continue to be similar to Panteras, > where well > done modifications (to improve on basic design flaws) are going to be > well > received by the majority of the market place and fetch prices at > least equal to > most "restored" cars...but, painstaking restorations entirely true > to original > should command a premium from those more interested in collecting or > showing > than driving or doing track days. The "holy grail" will be true > survivors > that are too nice to restore...or drive...and the very few cars that > have any > truly significant history. > > I don't believe Tigers are going to follow the Corvette "Bloomington > Gold" > path to "correct" overspray, chalk marks and other minutiae becoming > the > obsession of the majority of owners...thank goodness!! > > Mike > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the > all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > _______________________________________________ > gswaybright at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Sep 5 08:33:00 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 10:33:00 EDT Subject: [Tigers] was ebay Car, now - relative values Message-ID: I think the Vets got into that theme just because there are so many of them surviving..non metal bodies and many, many suppliers of replacement parts. Go to an all Corvette show with your 1969 and there may be 20 cars the same year. So to pick out the best it gets to real nitpicking. When most cars have all of the correct radiator hose clamps, muffler clamps and every correct nut and bolt....then they start getting into the obscure things like chalk marks to distinguish one car from the other "perfect" cars. Anyway, that's what I saw when I had a Vet years ago. I doubt that the Tiger will ever come to that. There just aren't that many perfect ones around. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From brichards at fineeyes.com Wed Sep 5 09:37:26 2007 From: brichards at fineeyes.com (Bruce) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 10:37:26 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Brake shoe retaining clip In-Reply-To: <000001c7efcf$f2464a30$a3941840@ronpc1> References: <000001c7ef58$b3ba4cc0$650fa8c0@JVPPC> <000001c7efcf$f2464a30$a3941840@ronpc1> Message-ID: <003c01c7efd2$aaea4940$6400a8c0@D3FDRK91> Thanks for all of your replies. The picture from the NAPA website looks like it will work, http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=470&LineCode=UP& PartNumber=81439&Description=Hold+Down+Kit+-+Rear I will try to pick it up tonight. Once again thanks for the help, this mail list is a very valuable tool, and I am glad to have everyone out there. Bruce B9470147 From gripdad at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 5 10:54:11 2007 From: gripdad at sbcglobal.net (Bill Manning) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] was ebay Car, now - relative values In-Reply-To: <646330.53080.qm@web31711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <928034.19591.qm@web81602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I own both a 65 Tiger TAC # 0037 and a 67 NCRS Top Flight 427 Corvette and I can appreciate the dedication of knowledgeable people who try to retain the original presentation of these 40 year old cars. Having a car that represents what the car looked like when it was new on the showroom floor is of interest to many people. Someday, everyone who remembers these cars as new, will be gone from this earth and it will be of interest to future generations to see what a stock, not over-restored example of the make looked like. I do drive my cars and appreciate modified or customized models of the marques. This is just another important aspect of the car hobby that we all enjoy. Vintage racers, F1, lowriders, restomods, hot rods, customs, survivors, restorations, drifters, exotics, etc. are all important aspects of the car hobby. That is what keeps this hobby so fresh and enjoyable and not everyone is going to enjoy them all. Except, maybe me. -Bill From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed Sep 5 11:37:42 2007 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:37:42 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] st louis car on ebay Message-ID: <39a841b0709051037p7d14142ndd969b0dd94fb934@mail.gmail.com> well at least they have pulled the auction. i got this email from them and also a photo of the battery box hatch (if anyone is interested, i can email it to you): Thanks for your interest in our 1966 Rootes Group Sunbeam Tiger. This gorgeous roadster has developed a very impressive audience of admirers! Your questions are similar to many other potential buyers. We have recently pulled the car off the market until we can research ways to better answer those questions and find any specific documentation to support these true Tigers. Until we can support, or deny, any authentication claims, we will hold off any representation or sale of this particular car. The pictures you requested are still attached for your review though. I would be happy to discuss this vehicle in greater detail by phone. Feel free to call me so we can visit about purchase options, schedule an appointment, and go over any additional questions you may have. My contact information is below. I look forward to hearing from you soon. From wsteinman at pogolaw.com Wed Sep 5 13:50:21 2007 From: wsteinman at pogolaw.com (Steinman, Bill) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:50:21 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Brake shoe retaining clip In-Reply-To: <003c01c7efd2$aaea4940$6400a8c0@D3FDRK91> Message-ID: <6C74404059EB134FBA542DA75DD8488FE7F8A5@WDC-EXCH-VS01.US.PGFM.NET> On a related question to Bruce's, I've always been a bit confused by the raised lip on the backing plate surrounding the slot that the slave cylinder passes through. On my other British cars, the backing plate is perfectly flat here, which allows the use of those flat clips that hold the slave cylinder in place, but that allows it to move up and down in the slot. I can't see how to get the clips in there. Am I missing something? Thanks! Bill S. 2005 Lotus Elise 1968 Triumph TR-250 1968 MGC Tourer 1965 Sunbeam Tiger 1965 Austin Healey 3000 Mk III www.TR-250.com Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows... NOTICE: This communication may contain privileged or other confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and delete the copy you received. IRS CIRCULAR 230 Disclosure: Under U.S. Treasury regulations, we are required to inform you that any tax advice contained in this e-mail or any attachment hereto is not intended to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code. Thank you. From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 5 19:50:10 2007 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 21:50:10 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Ian's Garrard Super Tiger Message-ID: <000e01c7f028$42cf52f0$6401a8c0@your03667082de> On Ebay is Item number: 290157693831 induction hood. This looks like the the induction hood on Ian Garrad's Super Tiger pictured in Norm's book (page 30). Does anyone know if this was a production piece or a custom made one off hood. Jeff From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 5 20:32:21 2007 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 22:32:21 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Chalk Marks Message-ID: <003801c7f02e$27164040$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Does anyone know if a Tiger fresh off of the assembly line had chalk or crayon marks on the frame? How about stickers like "OK" or whatever term the British use. Someone sent me a photo of a Tiger cross member that was removed from the frame and it had something written like "A Ok" or "Bollocks" on it in crayon. Jeff From Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Wed Sep 5 21:48:22 2007 From: Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 23:48:22 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] GT40P Cylinder heads Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF075116E9@norn32.d30.intra> Listers, I have a set of GT40 P heads that are extra from my wife's engine rebuild project Mustang. They purportedly have about 5000 miles but I suspect about 20,000 miles. They ran well and did not smoke and included are a new set of felpro valve seals (you do not need to install but might as well) I have a set of performance flat tappet springs for a hydraulic cam that I could also include and also a set of ARP adjustable rocker studs. I would like $300 for the pair of heads and the extra new valve seals, springs and studs from a Tiger guy as that is what I have into them. Any takers before I list on Ebay? I also have some instructions on porting these heads I found online including port cross section photos to ensure you do not grind through the wrong spot. By the way I ported the new set I had and it only took an evening to clean them up nicely. If you need rockers I also have a full set of very low mile stock rockers and trunnions as well. By the way these would bolt on most small block fords and based on the measuring would likely work on a 260 inch motor but the valves would be a little shrouded at the edges of the bores. One could flow notch the bore slightly or go to a bigger inch engine :-) I did not use them as I was able to find a NEW set with larger performance valves already installed for a decent price from the engine builder I bought the stroker kit from (for lots more $$) to go on her 331 in her 1991 mustang. By the way the engine runs awesome and the extra torque makes driving her car a dream. I am in so cal so it would be easiest if someone wanted to pick this stuff up. I will ship though if necessary or desired. I have photos if you like just send me an email. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak at cox.net From twojohnsons at cox.net Thu Sep 6 07:27:36 2007 From: twojohnsons at cox.net (Alvin Johnson) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 09:27:36 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] GT40P Cylinder heads References: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF075116E9@norn32.d30.intra> Message-ID: <001a01c7f089$b06a70e0$7181e644@13930193605348f> The GT-40P heads were from the Ford SUV. Their exhaust ports do not align with the headers used on all other small-block Ford heads. A better aluminum head is the GT-40X or GT-40Y, which give much more power & are available new or used in great numbers for very little money. They'll also run cooler & take 40lbs off that front-bias Sunbeam front end. Al J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronak, TP (Timothy)" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:48 PM Subject: [Tigers] GT40P Cylinder heads > Listers, > > I have a set of GT40 P heads that are extra from my wife's engine > rebuild project Mustang. They purportedly have about 5000 miles but I > suspect about 20,000 miles. They ran well and did not smoke and included > are a new set of felpro valve seals (you do not need to install but > might as well) I have a set of performance flat tappet springs for a > hydraulic cam that I could also include and also a set of ARP adjustable > rocker studs. I would like $300 for the pair of heads and the extra new > valve seals, springs and studs from a Tiger guy as that is what I have > into them. Any takers before I list on Ebay? I also have some > instructions on porting these heads I found online including port cross > section photos to ensure you do not grind through the wrong spot. By the > way I ported the new set I had and it only took an evening to clean them > up nicely. If you need rockers I also have a full set of very low mile > stock rockers and trunnions as well. > > > > By the way these would bolt on most small block fords and based on the > measuring would likely work on a 260 inch motor but the valves would be > a little shrouded at the edges of the bores. One could flow notch the > bore slightly or go to a bigger inch engine :-) > > > > I did not use them as I was able to find a NEW set with larger > performance valves already installed for a decent price from the engine > builder I bought the stroker kit from (for lots more $$) to go on her > 331 in her 1991 mustang. By the way the engine runs awesome and the > extra torque makes driving her car a dream. > > > > I am in so cal so it would be easiest if someone wanted to pick this > stuff up. I will ship though if necessary or desired. I have photos if > you like just send me an email. > > > > Best Regards, > > Tim Ronak > Services Consultant > > Akzo Nobel Coatings > 23961 Via El Rocio > Mission Viejo, CA 92691 > > Bus: 949-305-5393 > Fax: 425-955-6268 > Cell: 949-289-3357 > email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com > Personal email: timronak at cox.net > _______________________________________________ > twojohnsons at cox.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From lpaulick at comcast.net Thu Sep 6 08:05:07 2007 From: lpaulick at comcast.net (Larry Paulick) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:05:07 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] GT40P Cylinder heads In-Reply-To: <001a01c7f089$b06a70e0$7181e644@13930193605348f> References: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF075116E9@norn32.d30.intra> <001a01c7f089$b06a70e0$7181e644@13930193605348f> Message-ID: <46E00913.1050606@comcast.net> Alvin, lighter heads are nice, but the popular myth of the Tiger being front bias is just that, a myth. Larry Alvin Johnson wrote: >The GT-40P heads were from the Ford SUV. >Their exhaust ports do not align with the headers used on all other >small-block Ford heads. >A better aluminum head is the GT-40X or GT-40Y, which give much more power & >are available new or used in great numbers for very little money. >They'll also run cooler & take 40lbs off that front-bias Sunbeam front end. >Al J >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ronak, TP (Timothy)" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:48 PM >Subject: [Tigers] GT40P Cylinder heads > > > > >>Listers, >> >>I have a set of GT40 P heads that are extra from my wife's engine >>rebuild project Mustang. They purportedly have about 5000 miles but I >>suspect about 20,000 miles. They ran well and did not smoke and included >>are a new set of felpro valve seals (you do not need to install but >>might as well) I have a set of performance flat tappet springs for a >>hydraulic cam that I could also include and also a set of ARP adjustable >>rocker studs. I would like $300 for the pair of heads and the extra new >>valve seals, springs and studs from a Tiger guy as that is what I have >>into them. Any takers before I list on Ebay? I also have some >>instructions on porting these heads I found online including port cross >>section photos to ensure you do not grind through the wrong spot. By the >>way I ported the new set I had and it only took an evening to clean them >>up nicely. If you need rockers I also have a full set of very low mile >>stock rockers and trunnions as well. >> >> >> >>By the way these would bolt on most small block fords and based on the >>measuring would likely work on a 260 inch motor but the valves would be >>a little shrouded at the edges of the bores. One could flow notch the >>bore slightly or go to a bigger inch engine :-) >> >> >> >>I did not use them as I was able to find a NEW set with larger >>performance valves already installed for a decent price from the engine >>builder I bought the stroker kit from (for lots more $$) to go on her >>331 in her 1991 mustang. By the way the engine runs awesome and the >>extra torque makes driving her car a dream. >> >> >> >>I am in so cal so it would be easiest if someone wanted to pick this >>stuff up. I will ship though if necessary or desired. I have photos if >>you like just send me an email. >> >> >> >>Best Regards, >> >>Tim Ronak >>Services Consultant >> >>Akzo Nobel Coatings >>23961 Via El Rocio >>Mission Viejo, CA 92691 >> >>Bus: 949-305-5393 >>Fax: 425-955-6268 >>Cell: 949-289-3357 >>email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com >>Personal email: timronak at cox.net >>_______________________________________________ From Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Thu Sep 6 08:10:03 2007 From: Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:10:03 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] GT40P Cylinder heads Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF07511A93@norn32.d30.intra> Ross, Yes the GT 40 Heads have a plug angle difference and it creates tight clearance to the tubes. The exhaust ports are in EXACTLY the same place. They may work and if you have a set of Tiger headers we could mock them up to see how bad the interference is. My headers are on the car so I can't use those but would be happy to trial fit a set. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak at cox.net From jheff123 at msn.com Thu Sep 6 15:28:20 2007 From: jheff123 at msn.com (John Heffron) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:28:20 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Accessing archives Message-ID: How do you access the archives on the list? Thanks John From tbrown at midcoast.com Thu Sep 6 16:02:16 2007 From: tbrown at midcoast.com (Theodore Brown) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:02:16 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Chalk Marks Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20070906175428.0133fd50@midcoast.com> I have had my Tiger since it was new and have spent a fair amount of my life during that period crawling around underneath it and never noticed any markings on the frame. Of course, I have whacked my head a few times under there, so that may have had some influence on my memory. I once owned a '70 Olds Cutlass which had the word "Reynaldo" written on the front valence under the hood and always wondered what its purpose was. Graffitti, or something informative? Who knows? Maybe the boys on the assembly line liked to have fun at lunch time. Tod B382002384LRXFE From srwick at hotmail.com Thu Sep 6 16:44:48 2007 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:44:48 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Posi rear ends. Message-ID: The factory rear end in my Tiger is starting to make some noise so I figured if I was going to rebuild it, I might as well upgrade to a posi carrier. Am I correct in my belief that it's a Dana 44 rear end with 19 spline axles? Is there a way to tell if it's an open or posi carrier just by looking at it. What other vehicles would work as a donor? Of course, any insight or "been there, done that" would be appreciated. I have experience with Ford 9"'s but never worked on a Dana. Steve From TIGEROOTES at aol.com Thu Sep 6 17:42:49 2007 From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:42:49 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Good luck to Tom Patton ! Message-ID: Today I received the October issue of Sports Car, the SCCA magazine. October issues always focus on "Who Will Win" and the editors predict Tom Patton will win the 2007 SCCA GT-2 National Championship in his Sunbeam Tiger. There is a large photograph of Tom at speed in his car which covers pages 48 and 49 and a short article about him and two of his closest competitors. Good luck, Tom! Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 19:18:44 2007 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:18:44 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] argh, the fulcrum pin - please help Message-ID: <39a841b0709061818o3b6af0bcmc62c8788cc578695@mail.gmail.com> hi people, when i was adjusting my shocks and checking the front end in preparation for a visit to the alignment shop tomorrow, i noticed one of the bolts that holds the drivers side lower fulcrum pin onto the crossmember does not torque up. i estimate it is at about half the required torque and just seems to turn for ever. what can i do about this? perhaps i could tap out the nut in the crossmember to a larger size and use a larger bolt? its kind of a critical bolt ... i don't want to damage it! as if this wasn't enough, the drivers side koni seems to be knackered too. it requires immense effort to extend it but it compresses easily. i've been trying to diagnose a slight knocking from the front end. i've got new bearings, correct end float, new ball joints, new urethane bushings - but its still there. any knowledge and help is much appreciated. thanks. From drmayf at mayfco.com Thu Sep 6 19:26:24 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:26:24 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] World's Fastest Sunbeam (wannabe) continuin story Message-ID: <46E0A8C0.7020300@mayfco.com> Well, Jim Leach up in Seattle just reminded me that I need to update you all on what's happing to the car. Here is what I just sent to him WOS is not gonna happen this year, but maybe World Finals in october. I cooked one piston pretty badly, trashed all the bearings and broke some rings on other pistons. Have the block cleaned up enough to make a run or 2 and have a new set of pistons in hand. Just have to find a place that can swap out the pistons and I am back in business. But also want to rebalance the crank and have it micropolished. Just to take out some of the minor damage... I have new very much larger fuel injectors, a new boost controller, new inconel exhaust valves. New solid copper head gaskets, new exhaust header gaskets also solid copper as well as header collector solid copper. I blew out a lot of gaskets, lol. HAve a new ignition module for the distributor as well. Just need to put it all back together now. Oh new main bearings on the way also, some trick coated ones. New one piece pan gasket. We are planning on WF but it may rain out. Hope not, then the next outing will be Tigers United in Big Bear... Oh, I have planes for an ice water to air turbo charge air intercooler. 360 degree air into the motor is just not good. So things are mushing along, just slowly. Has been hot enough here to dang near melt lead, today being cool enough to actually work on the car for an hour or 2. The last week has been more in the nature of chasing parts, trying to find suppliers, etc. Lots of stuff supposed to hit here tomorrow, but I am going to Las Vegas to find a shop ththat can swap the pistons out. I don't know why the original motor used the crummy press fit pins, but that's what they are and that's what I will stick with for this motor. I will do things a bit differently in thenext motor: 331 cid, full floating pistons and rods, H beam rods, total seal rings. Forged crank. In any case, I am working to get it all back together. Assembly wont take long, just the parts chasing consumes a lot of time. more later mayf From mrlau at charter.net Thu Sep 6 20:02:31 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 21:02:31 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Posi rear ends. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070907020419.GMCX1254.aa04.charter.net@aardvark> I don't know this for a fact but I remember someone telling me that the old mail trucks had a Dana 44 that was even the same width as a Tiger and that they were posi. The easiest way to tell if the rear end is a posi is to jack up both back wheels and with the transmission in neutral, turn one of the tires. If they go the opposite way it is not a posi and if they both turn the same way it is. I wouldn't doubt that a lot of Chrysler products got a Dana 44 posi. If no one else here knows, try finding a talk group that knows a lot about Dodges and Plymouths.-- Bill -- The factory rear end in my Tiger is starting to make some noise so I figured if I was going to rebuild it, I might as well upgrade to a posi carrier. Am I correct in my belief that it's a Dana 44 rear end with 19 spline axles? Is there a way to tell if it's an open or posi carrier just by looking at it. What other vehicles would work as a donor? Of course, any insight or "been there, done that" would be appreciated. I have experience with Ford 9"'s but never worked on a Dana. Steve From PhastPhill at aol.com Thu Sep 6 20:25:45 2007 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:25:45 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Posi rear ends. Message-ID: Didn't someone mention shops that do Jeeps for Dana rear end stuff? From mrlau at charter.net Thu Sep 6 20:28:19 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 21:28:19 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] argh, the fulcrum pin - please help In-Reply-To: <39a841b0709061818o3b6af0bcmc62c8788cc578695@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070907023007.NGMP26124.aa02.charter.net@aardvark> You can tap it to the next size if there is enough metal left for bigger threads and if the next size bolt will fit through the pin. Without going out and looking I think that bolt you are talking about is 3/8 or 7/16. You really can't go from 3/8 to 7/16 14 because the hole for it needs to be .368 and it is already .375 plus wear. You might be able to go 7/16 -20 NF because it needs a drill hole size .3906. If the original bolt is 7/16 and you need to go to 1/2 inch you need to go to 1/2 -20 NF because that hole needs to be .4531 and 7/16 is.4375. You might have to widen your hole for the extra 1/16 inch. -- Bill -- hi people, when i was adjusting my shocks and checking the front end in preparation for a visit to the alignment shop tomorrow, i noticed one of the bolts that holds the drivers side lower fulcrum pin onto the crossmember does not torque up. i estimate it is at about half the required torque and just seems to turn for ever. what can i do about this? perhaps i could tap out the nut in the crossmember to a larger size and use a larger bolt? its kind of a critical bolt ... i don't want to damage it! as if this wasn't enough, the drivers side koni seems to be knackered too. it requires immense effort to extend it but it compresses easily. i've been trying to diagnose a slight knocking from the front end. i've got new bearings, correct end float, new ball joints, new urethane bushings - but its still there. any knowledge and help is much appreciated. thanks. From DWheeler at dopplegangers.net Thu Sep 6 21:01:18 2007 From: DWheeler at dopplegangers.net (Don Wheeler) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:01:18 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable Message-ID: I have a 66 Tiger. My Speedo does not work, when I bought the car the original owner told me that the cable itself is broken. I was told there is a kit to rebuild the cable, does anyone know anything about this? Is there a speedometer cable kit? If so, what car would I ask for this kit? Fairlane, Mustang??? Year??? Thank you all in advance. From srwick at hotmail.com Thu Sep 6 21:07:47 2007 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:07:47 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable References: Message-ID: I don't know about a kit, but if it's the cable itself, and the sheaf /housing is still ok, you could pull the cable out, measure it and post the length here. I have a Ford master parts manual for '65-'72 which probably shows cable lengths and I could see if anything is the same length. You should be able to buy aftermarket once you know the application. If the housing is damaged, a good motorcycle shop might be able to make a new one for you if you show them the original. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Wheeler To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 8:01 PM Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable I have a 66 Tiger. My Speedo does not work, when I bought the car the original owner told me that the cable itself is broken. I was told there is a kit to rebuild the cable, does anyone know anything about this? Is there a speedometer cable kit? If so, what car would I ask for this kit? Fairlane, Mustang??? Year??? Thank you all in advance. _______________________________________________ srwick at hotmail.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From DWheeler at dopplegangers.net Thu Sep 6 21:15:05 2007 From: DWheeler at dopplegangers.net (Don Wheeler) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:15:05 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the speedy reply! When it starts to cool off more around here I am going to get it out and let you know. Thanks again, Any relation to Jon Wick? ________________________________ From: steve wick [mailto:srwick at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 8:08 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net; Don Wheeler Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speedo Cable I don't know about a kit, but if it's the cable itself, and the sheaf /housing is still ok, you could pull the cable out, measure it and post the length here. I have a Ford master parts manual for '65-'72 which probably shows cable lengths and I could see if anything is the same length. You should be able to buy aftermarket once you know the application. If the housing is damaged, a good motorcycle shop might be able to make a new one for you if you show them the original. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Wheeler To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 8:01 PM Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable I have a 66 Tiger. My Speedo does not work, when I bought the car the original owner told me that the cable itself is broken. I was told there is a kit to rebuild the cable, does anyone know anything about this? Is there a speedometer cable kit? If so, what car would I ask for this kit? Fairlane, Mustang??? Year??? Thank you all in advance. _______________________________________________ srwick at hotmail.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From srwick at hotmail.com Thu Sep 6 21:15:22 2007 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:15:22 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Posi rear ends. References: <20070907020419.GMCX1254.aa04.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: Thanks for all the replies. It seems a Jeep prior to '72 uses a 19 spline Dana 44. Sorry for the confusion on the posi/open question. I was wondering if there was a quick visual way to tell them apart if the carrier itself was sitting in front of you, like at a swap meet. On a Ford 9", an open carrier has the ring gear bolts screw down to a flat, machined surface and the bolt heads are exposed. On a posi, the bolts screw into a pocket and the bolts heads are "shrouded". I was wondering if there was something similar for the Dana 44's. Still, thanks to everyone for getting me going in the right direction. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: William Lau To: Tigers at Autox. Team. Net Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Posi rear ends. I don't know this for a fact but I remember someone telling me that the old mail trucks had a Dana 44 that was even the same width as a Tiger and that they were posi. The easiest way to tell if the rear end is a posi is to jack up both back wheels and with the transmission in neutral, turn one of the tires. If they go the opposite way it is not a posi and if they both turn the same way it is. I wouldn't doubt that a lot of Chrysler products got a Dana 44 posi. If no one else here knows, try finding a talk group that knows a lot about Dodges and Plymouths.-- Bill -- The factory rear end in my Tiger is starting to make some noise so I figured if I was going to rebuild it, I might as well upgrade to a posi carrier. Am I correct in my belief that it's a Dana 44 rear end with 19 spline axles? Is there a way to tell if it's an open or posi carrier just by looking at it. What other vehicles would work as a donor? Of course, any insight or "been there, done that" would be appreciated. I have experience with Ford 9"'s but never worked on a Dana. Steve _______________________________________________ srwick at hotmail.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From srwick at hotmail.com Thu Sep 6 21:19:49 2007 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:19:49 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable References: Message-ID: No relation, and even if I was, no-one in my family claims me. Kind of the black sheep, don't you know. Steve (in N.Idaho) ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Wheeler To: steve wick Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 8:15 PM Subject: RE: [Tigers] Speedo Cable Thanks for the speedy reply! When it starts to cool off more around here I am going to get it out and let you know. Thanks again, Any relation to Jon Wick? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: steve wick [mailto:srwick at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 8:08 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net; Don Wheeler Subject: Re: [Tigers] Speedo Cable I don't know about a kit, but if it's the cable itself, and the sheaf /housing is still ok, you could pull the cable out, measure it and post the length here. I have a Ford master parts manual for '65-'72 which probably shows cable lengths and I could see if anything is the same length. You should be able to buy aftermarket once you know the application. If the housing is damaged, a good motorcycle shop might be able to make a new one for you if you show them the original. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Wheeler To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 8:01 PM Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable I have a 66 Tiger. My Speedo does not work, when I bought the car the original owner told me that the cable itself is broken. I was told there is a kit to rebuild the cable, does anyone know anything about this? Is there a speedometer cable kit? If so, what car would I ask for this kit? Fairlane, Mustang??? Year??? Thank you all in advance. _______________________________________________ srwick at hotmail.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Emoticon1.gif] From DJoh797014 at aol.com Thu Sep 6 21:30:14 2007 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 23:30:14 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable Message-ID: I believe that SS carries complete cable with housing. Before you ruin that new cable, pull the speedo and see if the gear in the head has seized due to lack of lub, age, etc. This is a very common malady to Tiger speedos. Stick a square drive (old cable end) and such in the hole. Ii should turn easily. If not, its time time for a speedo rebuild. I believe other listers can direct you towho can do it. British Car Festival at the Morraine Valley Comm College in Palos Hills, IL. I'll be working registration from sunup to the end of the show. 600 great cars and over 2000 enthusiasts. Parts Vendors, Good Food, Symposiums on how-to fix. etc. Spectators are free. Cars are $20. Dave ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From CMcCann at lwpb.com Fri Sep 7 06:52:13 2007 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:52:13 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Posi rear ends. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I Don't know if its of any help, but many older Jaguar independents have Dana pumpkins, obviously the axles wont work.... ;} but if you had access to a posi unit, the carrier may be compatible. I'm not sure about the number of splines on a jag. Also, my father in law has a 1976 AMC jeep, cj-7, and it has factory Dana 44's in it. Posi or locker parts for jeeps are very easy to find due to the popularity of off roading and such. I wouldn't be surprised at all about the mail trucks having posi's, that would actually make a lot of sense. At the very least they would often have Dana 44's. Cullen b382001452 "......The factory rear end in my Tiger is starting to make some noise so I figured if I was going to rebuild it, I might as well upgrade to a posi carrier. Am I correct in my belief that it's a Dana 44 rear end with 19 spline axles? Is there a way to tell if it's an open or posi carrier just by looking at it...." From sunbeams at sc.rr.com Fri Sep 7 07:09:53 2007 From: sunbeams at sc.rr.com (Eric Gibeaut) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:09:53 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] J A Pierce wheels References: Message-ID: <000a01c7f150$6255b410$6401a8c0@DFBHD491> Does anyone have a picture of J.A.P. (JA Pearce) Magna wheels on a Tiger?? I found a set which will fit nicely on my Tiger, but can't seem to find much information about them. Anyone have picture or link to where I can find some? > > Thanks, John > > John-I have several sets of these wheels in various sizes (Mini, Lotus, Sunbeam) and have a set on my Alpine too (Dave Johnson's old wheels!). I will take some photos and send them to you later today. All are 4 bolt wheels except I do have 3 wheels that are the knock-off style to fit a wire wheel hub on a Sunbeam Alpine. Does ANYONE have one or more of the knock-off type so I will have a complete set?? Thanks, Eric From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Sep 7 07:39:50 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:39:50 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] argh, the fulcrum pin - please help Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609DCA@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Increasing the bolt diameter would mean you'd have to make the notch in the fulcrum pin bigger, which would further degrade what is probably the worst designed-in stress riser on the whole car. I had a problem with one of the fulcrum pin nut plates on my front end - it ended up that the internal spot welds broke and the nut plate was no longer held in place in the crossmember. I drilled a 1/2" hole adjacent to the nut plate , aligned the plate with the crossmember holes (just ran a couple of 3/8 x 1" NF screws into it) and then rosette welded the nut plate back to the crossmember and closed up the hole. If the hole is stripped you want to do something similar. Make a new nut plate (either out of 1 1/2" x 1/2" bar stock, drilled and threaded 3/8-24 or out of some 1 1/2 x 3/16 with grade 8 nuts welded to the backside) and then clean up the crossmember so you can find the spot welds holding the original nut plate on. Drill out the spot welds, remove the old nut plate, and then screw the new nut plate into position and weld it in place through the holes you drilled. If that seems like too much work... Talk to Tom Hall about getting one of his reinforced/rebuilt crossmembers. It will have none of the bad things that Tiger front crossmembers accumulate over the ages, and if you have to pay for the kind of rework I described above, the cost increment won't even be that bad. Your current situation is a disaster waiting to happen. The fulcrum pin is a very highly stressed part of the suspension, and on your car it's being held in by one, 1" wide strap and two 3/8" screws... I'd be leery about backing it out of the garage, let alone taking it to an alignment shop. Theo From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Sep 7 07:56:41 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:56:41 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Posi rear ends. Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609DCB@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> If the carrier is out of the diff it's pretty easy to tell. Open diffs have two spider gears and two side gears and that's all, and the carrier is just an open (rounded) square that holds the gears in alignment. You should be able to turn the gears by hand. Any locking diff usually has a much more substantial carrier that surrounds the spider gears, and it can have two or four spider gears, and on a Salisbury type diff you can see ramps on the spider gear shaft retainer that actuate the torque-sensitive clutch pack. Open diff: http://performanceunlimited.com/classifieds/photo50.html One type of LSD: http://www.drivetrainspecialists.com/categories/posi-and-limited-slip/pr oducts/product-570.html Theo From mrlau at charter.net Fri Sep 7 08:38:22 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:38:22 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] argh, the fulcrum pin - please help In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609DCA@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <20070907144010.SCQX1254.aa04.charter.net@aardvark> If you go up one bolt size, you will have to increase the notch bigger 1/32 inch on each side. I would bet that those pins vary that much on their own. It likely will take the larger bolt already. If you are 1/16 inch from disaster I wouldn't drive any of these cars but a stripped bolt has to be taken care of because it can get worse fast. -- Bill -- Increasing the bolt diameter would mean you'd have to make the notch in the fulcrum pin bigger, which would further degrade what is probably the worst designed-in stress riser on the whole car. I had a problem with one of the fulcrum pin nut plates on my front end - it ended up that the internal spot welds broke and the nut plate was no longer held in place in the crossmember. I drilled a 1/2" hole adjacent to the nut plate , aligned the plate with the crossmember holes (just ran a couple of 3/8 x 1" NF screws into it) and then rosette welded the nut plate back to the crossmember and closed up the hole. If the hole is stripped you want to do something similar. Make a new nut plate (either out of 1 1/2" x 1/2" bar stock, drilled and threaded 3/8-24 or out of some 1 1/2 x 3/16 with grade 8 nuts welded to the backside) and then clean up the crossmember so you can find the spot welds holding the original nut plate on. Drill out the spot welds, remove the old nut plate, and then screw the new nut plate into position and weld it in place through the holes you drilled. If that seems like too much work... Talk to Tom Hall about getting one of his reinforced/rebuilt crossmembers. It will have none of the bad things that Tiger front crossmembers accumulate over the ages, and if you have to pay for the kind of rework I described above, the cost increment won't even be that bad. Your current situation is a disaster waiting to happen. The fulcrum pin is a very highly stressed part of the suspension, and on your car it's being held in by one, 1" wide strap and two 3/8" screws... I'd be leery about backing it out of the garage, let alone taking it to an alignment shop. From Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Fri Sep 7 09:14:02 2007 From: Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:14:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] speedo Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF0754321F@norn32.d30.intra> Don, The CAT club remanufactures an entire assembly that I installed in my car. Despite the first one not being crimped enough the second slid right in and worked perfectly. You might want to try that route before trying to get yours reworked with worn bits. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak at cox.net From cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 7 10:10:55 2007 From: cjrichardsauto at sbcglobal.net (Chris Richards) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] argh, the fulcrum pin - please help In-Reply-To: <39a841b0709061818o3b6af0bcmc62c8788cc578695@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45223.53005.qm@web83202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You could easily helicoil the bad hole for a strong repair with the stock bolt Chris in Arcata i noticed one of the bolts that holds the drivers side lower fulcrum pin onto the crossmember does not torque up. From un-cole-a at juno.com Fri Sep 7 13:28:36 2007 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 19:28:36 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Follow up question to: Posi rear ends. Message-ID: <20070907.152836.1341.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Just starting my restoration and maybe this is a good time to think about putting posi in. I'm not well versed in that area of the Tiger so is there a Tech article or somewhere I could get all the information on how to put a Posi in my Tiger? Thanks Tim B9470149 From mrlau at charter.net Fri Sep 7 14:59:13 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:59:13 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Follow up question to: Posi rear ends. In-Reply-To: <20070907.152836.1341.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <20070907210101.BYYM1254.aa04.charter.net@aardvark> Are you sure you want to do this? It requires some relatively sophisticated tools and is complicated to do. This will give you an idea of what is necessary. http://www.auburngear.com/aftermarket/common/literature/Diff_Install_Instruc tions.pdf http://smartflix.com/store/video/1356/Differential-Rebuilding -- Bill -- Just starting my restoration and maybe this is a good time to think about putting posi in. I'm not well versed in that area of the Tiger so is there a Tech article or somewhere I could get all the information on how to put a Posi in my Tiger? Thanks Tim B9470149 From vegaslegal at aol.com Fri Sep 7 15:02:39 2007 From: vegaslegal at aol.com (vegaslegal at aol.com) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:02:39 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Chalk Marks Message-ID: <8C9BFA98F236635-54C-1400@webmail-me07.sysops.aol.com> I've been working on rebuilding a very original car and haven't noticed anything particular as of yet.? One I did notice, however, is that the cardboard insert on the back of the original seats did have a build date stamp on them.? It will likely never come into play though because its hidden by the seat cover.? Nevertheless, I drew in a likeness to?the original before completing the current seats (Pro Prep). ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From robin02 at mindspring.com Fri Sep 7 15:03:15 2007 From: robin02 at mindspring.com (RObin Young) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:03:15 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Follow up question to: Posi rear ends. In-Reply-To: <20070907.152836.1341.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> References: <20070907.152836.1341.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <003a01c7f192$82c2eb40$6900a8c0@RobinLaptop> Barry at TeamTIger sells the unit and profits support the race car. There are actually two Lat options for the posi unit. Barry only recommends one of the set ups. RObin -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+robin02=mindspring.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+robin02=mindspring.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of un-cole-a at juno.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 3:29 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Follow up question to: Posi rear ends. Just starting my restoration and maybe this is a good time to think about putting posi in. I'm not well versed in that area of the Tiger so is there a Tech article or somewhere I could get all the information on how to put a Posi in my Tiger? Thanks Tim B9470149 _______________________________________________ robin02 at mindspring.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From mrlau at charter.net Fri Sep 7 15:06:12 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:06:12 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Follow up question to: Posi rear ends. Message-ID: <20070907210800.COYK23773.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> For some reason the last link didn't work. - Bill -- http://www.auburngear.com/aftermarket/common/literature/Diff_Install_Instruc tions.pdf. From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Sep 7 15:09:53 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:09:53 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Chalk Marks Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609DD1@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Is the factory alignment of the dash screws (the Phillips heads) on the diagonal, or straight up? i.e. if I'm looking at the dash screws should they be 'x' or '+'? Theo ;) From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Fri Sep 7 15:38:00 2007 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:38:00 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Chalk Marks Message-ID: What day was the car built? ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Sep 7 15:44:23 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:44:23 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Follow up question to: Posi rear ends. Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609DD2@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> The hyperlink is getting trashed by the maximum-line-length thingy that mail programs sometimes impose. The fix is to put your hyperlinks between angle brackets <> Theo From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Sep 7 16:06:12 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:06:12 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Follow up question to: Posi rear ends. Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609DD3@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Didn't have the screw heads aligned... Theo From actynes at charter.net Fri Sep 7 16:30:45 2007 From: actynes at charter.net (A. C. Tynes) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:30:45 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Chalk Marks In-Reply-To: <003801c7f02e$27164040$6401a8c0@your03667082de> References: <003801c7f02e$27164040$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: <000d01c7f19e$bc9078e0$8a3c5147@DellD4700> Many junk yards use paint pens or crayons to make notes on used parts (application, condition, mileage, etc.). In Louisiana/Mississippi area the favorite color was yellow for some unknown reason. A.C. Tynes New Orleans -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+actynes=charter.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+actynes=charter.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:32 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Chalk Marks Does anyone know if a Tiger fresh off of the assembly line had chalk or crayon marks on the frame? How about stickers like "OK" or whatever term the British use. Someone sent me a photo of a Tiger cross member that was removed from the frame and it had something written like "A Ok" or "Bollocks" on it in crayon. Jeff _______________________________________________ actynes at charter.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Sep 7 17:02:14 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:02:14 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Follow up question to: Posi rear ends. Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609DD5@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Third time lucky? Theo From sganz at pacbell.net Fri Sep 7 17:59:26 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear View Message-ID: <856835.75498.qm@web82814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Has anyone rebuilt the tiger mirror? I just got a car and was messing with it and it fell apart. The vinyl was really tired that was holding it together. Doesn't look that hard, but tips on where to get the fabric? (Any of the sunbeam part places have it)? Sandy From srwick at hotmail.com Fri Sep 7 21:10:21 2007 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:10:21 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Follow up question to: Posi rear ends. References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609DD5@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: I found the Auburn site and there's a dealer in Spokane, Wa., which is close so I'll swing by and pick their brains. Tom, I may end up having you do some work for me. I need to get more educated and then I'll get in touch with you when I know enough to ask the right questions. Everyone else, thanks for your help. I really do appreciate it. My car has 135K miles on it and I thought rebuilding the rear end and upgrading to posi would be a good winter project, but it's obviously not quite as simple as switching out a Ford 3rd member. I love a challenge though so this looks like it. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Smit, Theo To: Tigers at Autox. Team. Net Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Follow up question to: Posi rear ends. Third time lucky? structions.pdf> Theo _______________________________________________ srwick at hotmail.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From atwittsend at verizon.net Fri Sep 7 23:30:37 2007 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:30:37 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Chalk Marks References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609DD1@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: <006c01c7f1d9$63f44aa0$0202a8c0@allinthefamily> It is a specific, random pattern based on the installers height, arm reach, natural inclination of the wrist, and what side of the car they were working from. Basically if a picture wasn't taken when new your "spiral fastened" to ever win concourse. At least the Tiger came with vinyl seats. Can you imagine the trouble that it takes to compete if your car has velour fabric and you need to make sure the nap is laying "as it came from the factory!" Tom > Is the factory alignment of the dash screws (the Phillips heads) on the > diagonal, or straight up? i.e. if I'm looking at the dash screws should > they be 'x' or '+'? > > Theo From mmichels at socal.rr.com Fri Sep 7 23:41:00 2007 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 22:41:00 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear View References: <856835.75498.qm@web82814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006201c7f1da$d9d26f80$8a01a8c0@delldimension> CAT parts has the plastic (vacuum formed vinyl) mirror surround and a plastic mirror. The plastic mirror scratches easily, so I had a glass one made up by a local glass shop for $20 and glued it in with mirror mastic. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Ganz" To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 4:59 PM Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear View From sganz at pacbell.net Sat Sep 8 02:18:18 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 01:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear View Message-ID: <299281.6064.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Buck and others thanks for the tip. I just received my membership and will get the parts from them. Buck - Don't know if you remember me but I aways seem to park next to you at the LA Shelby Club meets (a few ago any ways) with the Red/Black 65 Fastback that you and Dan were snooping out the brake setup. I saw the car run up in Monterey in Aug with Morton driving (Kept hammering the mustang in the home stretch until he finally got ya), but didn't get a chance to stop by an chat. BTW your car was one of the reasons that I wanted a Tiger for so long. Lots of stuff to do, just got the car registered today! So the journey on yet another project is about to begin. Many more questions, but get the simple ones out of the way ;-) Sandy 66 Mk1A White B382002022 ----- Original Message ---- From: Buck Trippel To: Sandy Ganz Sent: Friday, September 7, 2007 7:39:10 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear View CAT sells a nice rebuilt kit. Buck Trippel -----Original Message----- >From: Sandy Ganz >Sent: Sep 7, 2007 7:59 PM >To: tigers at autox.team.net >Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear View > >Has anyone rebuilt the tiger mirror? I just got a car and was messing with it >and it fell apart. The vinyl was really tired that was holding it together. >Doesn't look that hard, but tips on where to get the fabric? (Any of the >sunbeam part places have it)? > >Sandy >_______________________________________________ >trippel at peoplepc.com > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com From trippel at peoplepc.com Sat Sep 8 07:20:44 2007 From: trippel at peoplepc.com (Buck Trippel) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 09:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear View Message-ID: <24532935.1189257644569.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi Sanday, Congrats on your new Tiger. (And I definitely remember you & your mustang.) As you've found out. this Tiger list is a great asset to the new owner as are the local clubs. (In fact there's a CAT meeting today, which I'm going to miss since I'll be epoxying the floor in our new garage all day.) Sandy, I urge all new Tiger owners to buy a copy of the Tiger Shop manual. (Rick at Sunbeam Specialties sells them at a quite reasonable cost.) It's also available on line at the Tiger's United site. Another publication you should buy is CAT's "shop notes" which is keyed to the sections in the Shop Manual and gives more detailed and updated information. It's big (maybe 400 pages?) and filled with tips and suggestions. Feel free to contact me off list if you have any questions I can help you with. Buck Trippel -----Original Message----- >From: Sandy Ganz >Sent: Sep 8, 2007 4:18 AM >To: tigers at autox.team.net >Cc: trippel at peoplepc.com >Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear View > >Buck and others thanks for the tip. I just received my membership and will get the parts from them. > >Buck - Don't know if you remember me but I aways seem to park next to you at the LA Shelby Club meets (a few ago any ways) with the Red/Black 65 Fastback that you and Dan were snooping out the brake setup. I saw the car run up in Monterey in Aug with Morton driving (Kept hammering the mustang in the home stretch until he finally got ya), but didn't get a chance to stop by an chat. BTW your car was one of the reasons that I wanted a Tiger for so long. > >Lots of stuff to do, just got the car registered today! So the journey on yet another project is about to begin. > >Many more questions, but get the simple ones out of the way ;-) > >Sandy >66 Mk1A White >B382002022 > >----- Original Message ---- >From: Buck Trippel >To: Sandy Ganz >Sent: Friday, September 7, 2007 7:39:10 PM >Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Rear View > >CAT sells a nice rebuilt kit. > >Buck Trippel > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Sandy Ganz >>Sent: Sep 7, 2007 7:59 PM >>To: tigers at autox.team.net >>Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Rear View >> >>Has anyone rebuilt the tiger mirror? I just got a car and was messing with it >>and it fell apart. The vinyl was really tired that was holding it together. >>Doesn't look that hard, but tips on where to get the fabric? (Any of the >>sunbeam part places have it)? >> >>Sandy >>_______________________________________________ >>trippel at peoplepc.com >> >>Tigers at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > >________________________________________ >PeoplePC Online >A better way to Internet >http://www.peoplepc.com > > > ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com From rcsphx at qwest.net Sat Sep 8 09:29:57 2007 From: rcsphx at qwest.net (Richard) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 08:29:57 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable Message-ID: <000d01c7f22d$1d9fcad0$6501a8c0@D4TDG641> Does anyone know where I can get a speedometer cable for my '67 MKII. I checked with Rick and he does not have one. I looked on the classic Mustang site and the longest one that I could find there was 64 inches and mine measures about 76 inches. Victoria British list a cable for the MKII, not always sure of the fit and quality of some of their parts. Any comments? Thanks From tbrown at midcoast.com Sat Sep 8 14:40:03 2007 From: tbrown at midcoast.com (Theodore Brown) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 16:40:03 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Instrument O-Rings Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20070908163525.00fffd88@midcoast.com> Hello All: Does anyone know where the large O-ring gasket that is used between the dash and the speedo and tach can be obtained? I don't see it listed in the SS catalog. Also, does anyone have a clever way of reinstalling the cubby box without totally removing the dash? Thanks, Tod B382002384LRXFE From mrlau at charter.net Sat Sep 8 14:59:32 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:59:32 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Hood Release- Bonnet Pull Message-ID: <20070908210119.RFVF23773.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> Does anyone have any idea where I might find a bonnet pull for my MKII? The plastic broke on mine and it wouldn't hurt for the cable to be new again either. - Bill -- From CoolVT at aol.com Sat Sep 8 15:13:37 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 17:13:37 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Instrument O-Rings Message-ID: On installing the cubby box....it's been years, but I think I used very short screws and attached small blocks of wood to the back of the dash in appropriate locations, put the box in place and then used screws from the inside of the box into the blocks of wood. I then used a black magic markers to color the screw heads black. I'm pretty sure that's how I did it. It's attached in a solid manner with nothing showing and I know I didn't remove the dash to do it. Mark ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From stubrennan at comcast.net Sat Sep 8 15:39:51 2007 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 17:39:51 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hood Release- Bonnet Pull In-Reply-To: <20070908210119.RFVF23773.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: <000001c7f260$ca1c8f40$6601a8c0@Brennan> On my Mk1A, I changed from the cable type hood release to the rod type from the earlier cars, with no drilling. It just bolted in, fit through the original holes, etc. The best part it that the rod is much less likely to break than the cable, about which we've heard so many horror stories. So put the word out, and I'll bet there's one floating around somewhere. Or, if you are inventive enough, design one of your own. Stu From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Sat Sep 8 16:57:08 2007 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:57:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Hood Release- Bonnet Pull In-Reply-To: <000001c7f260$ca1c8f40$6601a8c0@Brennan> Message-ID: <001d01c7f26b$9633d430$6500a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> In fact there is on eBay not mine and no interest in selling it just information. Here is the item number: 330163210977 Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+ross_hulse=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+ross_hulse=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stu Brennan Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 2:40 PM To: 'Tigers at Autox. Team. Net' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hood Release- Bonnet Pull On my Mk1A, I changed from the cable type hood release to the rod type from the earlier cars, with no drilling. It just bolted in, fit through the original holes, etc. The best part it that the rod is much less likely to break than the cable, about which we've heard so many horror stories. So put the word out, and I'll bet there's one floating around somewhere. Or, if you are inventive enough, design one of your own. Stu _______________________________________________ ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From TIGEROOTES at aol.com Sat Sep 8 18:29:31 2007 From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 20:29:31 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Good luck to Tom Patton (follow-up) Message-ID: I sent my prior mailing about Tom Patton and his GT-2 Sunbeam Tiger to Bob Ground and he contacted SCCA to see if the Runoffs will be televised. They responded yes, but the airdate has yet to be determined. Get your VCR's ready! Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From gswaybright at yahoo.com Sat Sep 8 19:17:56 2007 From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 18:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] throttle peal lever clamping (or slipping) In-Reply-To: <001d01c7f26b$9633d430$6500a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> Message-ID: <218500.66647.qm@web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a chronic case of the throttle pedal "adjustable" lever slipping. I made the clamping slot ever so slightly bigger (with dremel) to make sure that the clamping bolt could in fact clamp down on the throttle shaft before the gap bottomed out, but still, no matter how much I try to torque the clamping bolt, the pedal simply slips rather than move the throttle cable. Any ideas? Has anyone engineered a better clamp-on lever? Seem like a billet piece with a set screw into the shaft would be a better design??? Stephen Waybright Disabled 65 Tiger Mk-I (unless I reach under the dash to pull the throtle cable by hand) From bamcnulty at optonline.net Sat Sep 8 19:24:13 2007 From: bamcnulty at optonline.net (Tony McNulty) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 21:24:13 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Instrument O-Rings References: <5.0.2.1.1.20070908163525.00fffd88@midcoast.com> Message-ID: <001701c7f280$21748ad0$0300a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Tod: I've always had great luck with Apple Rubber (google them). They seem to have something in every minor and major diameter -- and Viton is always a good "non-melting" choice. They've also been petty good over the years as a good source of samples. Failing tha, Greene Rubber is also a good o-ring source. Tony McNulty From sunbeamjohn at msn.com Sat Sep 8 20:42:46 2007 From: sunbeamjohn at msn.com (sunbeam john) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 19:42:46 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Hard top trim Message-ID: Guys, Does anyone have the Hard top stainless steel rear window trim that they would like to sale? My chrome shop lost mine. Thanks, John Cossman sunbeamjohn at msn.com 480 695-4570 From gammaman at mokancomm.net Sat Sep 8 20:47:43 2007 From: gammaman at mokancomm.net (Richard Bruner) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 21:47:43 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Gremlins Message-ID: <004d01c7f28b$ccd251e0$6501a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> I just got home from a drive to a cruise nite 35 miles away. I was afraid I wasn't going to make it home. Several problems cropped up, maybe all unrelated but who knows. For starters, the car began running rough, like it was dropping cylinders, and would die at intersections. The car does have a Pertronix installed, if this makes any difference. It ran fine the last time I drove it a week or so ago. The dash lights would not work, then they began glowing faintly for a brief moment, then they went out again, so I turned the switch off. When I finally got home and turned the ignition switch off, the car kept running no matter what I did with the key position. I kept turning it off and back on, and it finally killed the ignition. I also noticed hitting the brake pedal would cause the front parking lights to come on. I know the front housings are properly grounded because I had problems before and ran jumper wires from the housings to ground. Does anyone have any suggestions where to start to possibly help save some time? Richard From mrlau at charter.net Sat Sep 8 21:01:27 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 22:01:27 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Hard top trim In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070909030314.WPES21339.aarprv03.charter.net@aardvark> No but would you like some dynamite for your chrome shop. Wow I would be upset. -- Bill -- Guys, Does anyone have the Hard top stainless steel rear window trim that they would like to sale? My chrome shop lost mine. Thanks, John Cossman sunbeamjohn at msn.com 480 695-4570 _______________________________________________ From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Sat Sep 8 21:54:11 2007 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 23:54:11 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Instrument O-Rings In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20070908163525.00fffd88@midcoast.com> Message-ID: Tod, For O Rings there are 2 sources I know of... Barrie Robinson...email: barrie at look.ca and I lost his name and email but if you go to the Ebay UK website and look up the username..."lotsofclassicbits". I have bought just the o rings from him...he usually lists glass and bezels also for Smiths and Jaeger gauges... Paul > >Hello All: > >Does anyone know where the large O-ring gasket that is used between the >dash and the >speedo and tach can be obtained? I don't see it listed in the SS catalog. > >Tod _________________________________________________________________ A place for moms to take a break! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us From edstiger at charter.net Sun Sep 9 07:16:17 2007 From: edstiger at charter.net (Ed Esslinger) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 08:16:17 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Wanted to share room TE/AE United Message-ID: <000d01c7f2e3$9b6194b0$6401a8c0@SEXEYNICKERS> Ted Casey is looking for someone to share a room with him at the upcoming TE/AE united. Ted is not on the web. Please phone him at 717-354-9276 if you have a room to share. Thanks Ed From awtiger at cox.net Sun Sep 9 07:31:42 2007 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 6:31:42 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Gremlins Message-ID: <576976525.1189344702609.JavaMail.root@fed1wml27.mgt.cox.net> Richard: Of course, finding a problem like that can be involved, but when you mentioned the fact that the car would not shut off when you turned the key off, that to me points to the ignition switch. All the power to the car runs through that switch and that could cause everything you've mentioned in your post. I've had them go out on me as well; they can definitely mess things up. I used a test light on mine once and was able to determine that when I switched the switch to the "on" position, I was getting intermittent power out of it. Maybe yours will tell you the same. Best of luck, Andy Walker B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Sep 9 08:13:03 2007 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 10:13:03 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Instrument O-Rings Message-ID: Nisonger in New York has them. They did a beautiful job rebuilding my gauges too. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 Hello All: Does anyone know where the large O-ring gasket that is used between the dash and the speedo and tach can be obtained? I don't see it listed in the SS catalog. Also, does anyone have a clever way of reinstalling the cubby box without totally removing the dash? ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From tsmit at shaw.ca Sun Sep 9 09:41:12 2007 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 09:41:12 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Gremlins In-Reply-To: <004d01c7f28b$ccd251e0$6501a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> References: <004d01c7f28b$ccd251e0$6501a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> Message-ID: <46E41418.8040201@shaw.ca> Hi Richard, When things suddenly all start to go bad in the electrical system, it's usually because one of the grounds has become disconnected. You should check the cable between the engine and the chassis (usually attached between the bellhousing and the chassis at the Alpine transmission crossmember mount) as well as the smaller grounds that attach to the generator housing. The car running regardless of the ignition can also be caused by a bad ground although it's not immediately obvious to me how... The dash lights are grounded via the instrument cases, which are grounded via the daisy-chain wires... but if those come loose, then the dash lights would ground through the instrument temperature sender. This would change the way the gauges worked depending on whether or not your lights are on. The parking lights turning on when you depress the brake pedal is definitely a bad ground in the tailllight/brakelight circuit. When the brakelight/taillight bulb case isn't grounded, applying 12 volts to the brake light causes current to flow through the brake light filament, then through the taillight filament in the same bulb, and from there to the parking light filament (which is on the same circuit as the taillight), and thereby illuminate all three. If you then turn on the parking lights, you supply 12 volts to the taillight circuit which would then cause the brake light and taillight to go out! You're going to have to go through a lot of your car with alligator clips and test lights (or a voltmeter). A problem with bad grounds (especially the main engine/chassis cable) is that starting the engine will cause high current to flow through all other possible ground paths and that can wreck a lot of stuff. Been there, done that. If you have any more specific symptoms I can try to make sense of them for you if it will help localize the issues. Good luck, Theo From tbrown at midcoast.com Sun Sep 9 10:38:51 2007 From: tbrown at midcoast.com (Theodore Brown) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 12:38:51 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hood Release - Bonnet Pull Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20070909122426.00e77050@midcoast.com> Hello All: The first Tiger I ever drove was at the dealer in New Haven, CT, the summer before I bought mine. It was at the dealer's because the bonnet pull had broken and they were trying to figure out how to get the bonnet open to fix it. Since then, I have been careful to try to avoid that problem. My solution on my MkIA, which has the cable pull, is to take a piece of fairly stiff wire and attach it to the release mechanism under the hood and then thread the wire through the hole(s) under the dash to a point adjacent to the release handle under the cubby box. That way, if the cable does break, (and by doing this you will insure that it never will, ;>)), you have a redundant system that will allow you to release the bonnet. Thanks to all who sent me advice on where to find the O-rings for the instruments. Tod B382002384LRXFE From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Sun Sep 9 12:51:08 2007 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 13:51:08 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] throttle peal lever clamping (or slipping) In-Reply-To: <218500.66647.qm@web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <001d01c7f26b$9633d430$6500a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> <218500.66647.qm@web31708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c7f312$63068100$64f3c04a@jerry> Stephen - I had the same problem. Just be sure the pinch bolt doesn't pinch the bottom of the "U" lever together where it is pinching. I think over time and strong throttle springs the metal stretches around the shaft, which causes it to slip around the shaft. If you cut the gap a little wider, you should be fine. Jerry Christopherson (JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net) -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Waybright Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 8:18 PM To: 'Tigers at Autox. Team. Net' Subject: [Tigers] throttle peal lever clamping (or slipping) I have a chronic case of the throttle pedal "adjustable" lever slipping. I made the clamping slot ever so slightly bigger (with dremel) to make sure that the clamping bolt could in fact clamp down on the throttle shaft before the gap bottomed out, but still, no matter how much I try to torque the clamping bolt, the pedal simply slips rather than move the throttle cable. Any ideas? Has anyone engineered a better clamp-on lever? Seem like a billet piece with a set screw into the shaft would be a better design??? Stephen Waybright Disabled 65 Tiger Mk-I (unless I reach under the dash to pull the throtle cable by hand) _______________________________________________ jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From mrlau at charter.net Sun Sep 9 13:10:33 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 14:10:33 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Gremlins Message-ID: <20070909191220.EWDQ21339.aarprv03.charter.net@aardvark> Richard, Theo, Below I drew a diagram so you can see how the coil can get power through other items when the ground is disconnected. If the ground is disconnected from the common point you can follow the path through the large or small power consuming devices or through several at the same time to light the coil. Since the coil is made to work through the resistor or straight hookup (During startup) it is somewhat impervious to high and low voltage. If the device that you are going through is large the coil will get almost all of its voltage and if the device is small the coil will get less. You can apply ohms law and see why. Like I wrote earlier, all of these things are wired in parallel except the ballast resistor and when you lose a common point to ground everything becomes a series circuit which is variable with which switch is turned on at any given time. As Theo said, virtually every time things go crazy like they have no explanation it is the common ground somewhere. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image001.jpg] From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Sun Sep 9 13:14:53 2007 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 14:14:53 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Gremlins In-Reply-To: <004d01c7f28b$ccd251e0$6501a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> References: <004d01c7f28b$ccd251e0$6501a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> Message-ID: <000c01c7f315$b461f590$64f3c04a@jerry> Rich - Most of these "gremlins" are a result of grounding problems somewhere in the car. Start with the battery ground and work your way to the smaller ones. Use a wiring schematic for your car to identify where these grounds are located. Whenever you have strange things like you mentioned - brake lights turning on front lights - it means the LUCAS system is searching for a ground somewhere else, i.e., your well-grounded front parking lights. Jerry Christopherson(JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net) -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard Bruner Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 9:48 PM To: Tigers at Autox. Team. Net Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Gremlins I just got home from a drive to a cruise nite 35 miles away. I was afraid I wasn't going to make it home. Several problems cropped up, maybe all unrelated but who knows. For starters, the car began running rough, like it was dropping cylinders, and would die at intersections. The car does have a Pertronix installed, if this makes any difference. It ran fine the last time I drove it a week or so ago. The dash lights would not work, then they began glowing faintly for a brief moment, then they went out again, so I turned the switch off. When I finally got home and turned the ignition switch off, the car kept running no matter what I did with the key position. I kept turning it off and back on, and it finally killed the ignition. I also noticed hitting the brake pedal would cause the front parking lights to come on. I know the front housings are properly grounded because I had problems before and ran jumper wires from the housings to ground. Does anyone have any suggestions where to start to possibly help save some time? Richard _______________________________________________ jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From CMeinel464 at aol.com Sun Sep 9 14:57:17 2007 From: CMeinel464 at aol.com (CMeinel464 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 16:57:17 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Hard top trim Message-ID: John, Only have a few right side NOS hardtop trims in stock. We also have the clips. You can order on line at _http://www.classicsunbeam.com_ (http://www.classicsunbeam.com) Thanks, Curt Classic Sunbeam Inc. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From gammaman at mokancomm.net Sun Sep 9 16:05:42 2007 From: gammaman at mokancomm.net (Richard Bruner) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 17:05:42 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Gremlins References: <004d01c7f28b$ccd251e0$6501a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> <000c01c7f315$b461f590$64f3c04a@jerry> Message-ID: <008901c7f32d$91589cd0$6501a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> The brake/parking light problem was traced to the bulb holders being covered with spooge and not grounding to the housings. This was resolved and that problem went away. The panel light problem was traced to a bad panel light switch...power was going in but not coming out. I ran a jumper wire over to the light switch and the panel lights now come on along with the parking/headlights. All of the grounds were checked and cleaned, but the stumbling problem persists. The fuel filter was replaced within the last 200 miles, so I believe it may be time for a carburetor kit. Thanks to everyone for their help and suggestions! Richard B382000074LRXFE From gswaybright at yahoo.com Sun Sep 9 16:53:37 2007 From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 15:53:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] throttle peal lever clamping slipping - fixed Message-ID: <204307.93969.qm@web31714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I now have a fully functional throttle linkage... I didn't end up enlarging the clamping slot any more (it was already pretty big), but I did make a slight hacksaw cut into the inner side of the shaft hole as shown in the pictures at the following site. This, combined with larger washers to distribute the clamping force, seems to have allowed a hugh increase in grip on the shaft. http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=rsfxe4t.7msxubyp&x=1&y=-g3jz78 Also on this picture site, are shots of a billet replacement part that Tom Hall e-mailed to me. If I have any more problems, this looks like the way to go. Tom, I'm sure you could sell a few of these once you made them up! Stephen Waybright From parlanti at comcast.net Sun Sep 9 17:57:00 2007 From: parlanti at comcast.net (Joe Parlanti) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:57:00 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Instrument O-Rings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000f01c7f33d$1d4e8bf0$650fa8c0@JVPPC> I second the recommendation about Barry Robinson. I used his kit which came with all of the O rings for both the small and large gauges. Joe Parlanti B382000026 Hello All: Does anyone know where the large O-ring gasket that is used between the dash and the speedo and tach can be obtained? I don't see it listed in the SS catalog. Also, does anyone have a clever way of reinstalling the cubby box without totally removing the dash? From TIGEROOTES at aol.com Sun Sep 9 17:58:00 2007 From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:58:00 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 78 Message-ID: Hi Richard, When things suddenly all start to go bad in the electrical system, it's usually because one of the grounds has become disconnected. Theo is spot-on about bad grounds being the most likely cause of most of your problems, but I also wonder if by chance your engine mounts are soft or broken and your generator has been physically contacting your brake light switch. I've seen some strange things happen do to this before. Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From gswaybright at yahoo.com Sun Sep 9 19:48:01 2007 From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] DirectLift ProPak7 - 4 post storage lift Message-ID: <218451.36552.qm@web31715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Is anyone familiar with the DirectLift ProPak7 4 post storage lift? Now that I'm living back in the NorthEast again, I need room to store one more car in the garage over the winter than I have garage spaces, and this seems to be a pretty good way to get a short term solution. the jack accesory also seem like nice way extend the usefulness of the lift for "wheels up" service jobs. I also hear that Rotary is buying them out to extend their own produt line into a more affordable price range. http://www.gregsmithequipment.com/Direct-Lift-Pro-Park-7-Two-Pro-Jacks-p/tppro-park7-fslash-projack3500.htm Stephen Waybright From srwick at hotmail.com Sun Sep 9 20:42:14 2007 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 19:42:14 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] DirectLift ProPak7 - 4 post storage lift References: <218451.36552.qm@web31715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have one and think it's great. Make sure you get the castors with it also so you can roll it around in your garage. I'm including a pic of mine in use (ignore the clutter). I'm sure it won't show up on the list but Stephen might get it. You'll need about a 12' ceiling to stack 2 cars. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Waybright To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] DirectLift ProPak7 - 4 post storage lift Is anyone familiar with the DirectLift ProPak7 4 post storage lift? Now that I'm living back in the NorthEast again, I need room to store one more car in the garage over the winter than I have garage spaces, and this seems to be a pretty good way to get a short term solution. the jack accesory also seem like nice way extend the usefulness of the lift for "wheels up" service jobs. I also hear that Rotary is buying them out to extend their own produt line into a more affordable price range. http://www.gregsmithequipment.com/Direct-Lift-Pro-Park-7-Two-Pro-Jacks-p/tp pro-park7-fslash-projack3500.htm Stephen Waybright _______________________________________________ srwick at hotmail.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of collection2.jpg] From garywinblad at comcast.net Mon Sep 10 08:12:10 2007 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (garywinblad at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:12:10 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] DirectLift ProPak7 - 4 post storage lift Message-ID: <091020071412.19283.46E550BA000795C400004B5322165662760B0E040D020799979D0E09@comcast.net> It looks just like my Summit lift I bought 7 years ago. Back then at least, it appeared to me that all the companies selling these lifts were just shell marketing companies all out of Kansas(IIRC) and the lifts were really all the same (except for color and a few minor differences) and were all built in Texas. I have my two Tigers stacked out in my garage right now, it is slick! If you buy one, consider that they are all really the same so price is the only differentiator. Get one that includes shipping, it is expensive. Those jacks have only been around the last couple of years and look like a good deal, without them, the jack tray option is really pretty useless. Castors are not needed unless you have a big garage and can roll it somewhere. One of the Corvette guys had his lift collapse, if you buy one I can tell you what to look out for but hopefully they have changed the design by now. Gary -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Stephen Waybright > Is anyone familiar with the DirectLift ProPak7 4 post storage lift? Now > that I'm living back in the NorthEast again, I need room to store one > more car in the garage over the winter than I have garage spaces, and > this seems to be a pretty good way to get a short term solution. the > jack accesory also seem like nice way extend the usefulness of the lift > for "wheels up" service jobs. > > I also hear that Rotary is buying them out to extend their own produt > line into a more affordable price range. > > http://www.gregsmithequipment.com/Direct-Lift-Pro-Park-7-Two-Pro-Jacks-p/tppro-p > ark7-fslash-projack3500.htm > > > Stephen Waybright > _______________________________________________ > garywinblad at comcast.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From crbernardino at mac.com Mon Sep 10 10:04:35 2007 From: crbernardino at mac.com (Robert Bernardino) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:04:35 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Complete List - The 50 Worst Cars of All Time - TIME Message-ID: <01F8F48B-EBD8-4285-BC44-7520C2507858@mac.com> Thought you would enjoy a light read form Time magazine. Interesting that there are a smattering of british and german cars, but the majority are american and no japanese cars. Of course an american writer will be biased towards commenting on american products. Rob in CT http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/completelist/0,,1658545,00.html From mtjoy at telis.org Mon Sep 10 10:26:37 2007 From: mtjoy at telis.org (Mountjoy) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:26:37 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 4 post storage lift Message-ID: <001a01c7f3c7$5c96d9e0$1db90c45@computer> Hi Gary, Long time... I'm in the process of looking at lifts. Could you tell me the finer points to look for as this is new territory for me and advertising is... well, advertising. BTW, I Emailed Tim Suddard, GRM & CM, and talked with him at Monterey about a comparative article on garage lifts. Coincidentally he and some of his staff had independently come up with the same idea. So maybe we'll se something to help us all in getting a good, safe lift for our cars. Hope so. Darrell From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Mon Sep 10 10:30:31 2007 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:30:31 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Electrical Gremlins In-Reply-To: <000901c7f3bc$bf2f7c70$cb911840@ronpc1> References: <008901c7f32d$91589cd0$6501a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> <000901c7f3bc$bf2f7c70$cb911840@ronpc1> Message-ID: <000001c7f3c7$e8210cb0$64f3c04a@jerry> Ron Fraser's comments about the importance of curving your distributor is very significant - so much so that I made a 112 minute DVD on how to do it. One of my friend's '66 Mustang dropped one second in a quarter mile after I recurved his distributor, so it is very important. I know that a lot of guys know a lot about their engines, but not how to curve their distributors to get the best performance. Some of you may have seen my ad in the Roots Review last month. Jerry Christopherson (JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net) -----Original Message----- From: Ron Fraser [mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 10:11 AM To: 'Richard Bruner'; 'Jerry'; 'Tigers at Autox. Team. Net' Subject: RE: [Tigers] Electrical Gremlins Richard I'm not sure exactly what your stumbling problem is but you should check the distributor to see what the advance curve is doing. I worked on a 65 Mustang a couple years ago that was stumbling and just plain ran like crap. I played with the carb for most of a day with absolutely no results other than frustrating me to no end. It was the distributor advance that was hanging up; not advancing correctly and not returning to base timing every time. After I fixed the distributor the engine ran strong, real strong; now it was very obvious the carb needed a rebuild. I found an article sometime later the emphasized the fact that anytime an engine is running poorly and you think it needs a carb rebuild; the first thing to check is the distributor advance curve then work the carb. Ron Fraser -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.biz at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rfraser=bluefrog.biz at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard Bruner Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 6:06 PM To: Jerry; 'Tigers at Autox. Team. Net' Subject: Re: [Tigers] Electrical Gremlins The brake/parking light problem was traced to the bulb holders being covered with spooge and not grounding to the housings. This was resolved and that problem went away. The panel light problem was traced to a bad panel light switch...power was going in but not coming out. I ran a jumper wire over to the light switch and the panel lights now come on along with the parking/headlights. All of the grounds were checked and cleaned, but the stumbling problem persists. The fuel filter was replaced within the last 200 miles, so I believe it may be time for a carburetor kit. Thanks to everyone for their help and suggestions! Richard B382000074LRXFE _______________________________________________ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.12/997 - Release Date: 9/9/2007 10:17 AM From bobdixon at frii.com Mon Sep 10 10:47:57 2007 From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:47:57 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Tigers] 4 post storage lift In-Reply-To: <001a01c7f3c7$5c96d9e0$1db90c45@computer> References: <001a01c7f3c7$5c96d9e0$1db90c45@computer> Message-ID: <58632.192.55.12.36.1189442877.squirrel@users.frii.com> I just bought a 4 post storage lift last month. Basically, it comes down to Chinese made vs. American made. The American made lifts are about 2X the price but are typically higher quality. I compromised and went with 9000 lb lift from Pace. It was cheaper than any of the American made 7000 lb lifts. Since I don't plan on ever having a vehicle more than 3K lbs on it, I figured a 3X rating should give me enough margin. The thing is a real tank. I was under it all weekend replacing the suspension on a BMW without any concern. Normally, I have a Tiger on it with the BMW parked underneath (with oil drip trays under the Tiger of course ;) From parlanti at comcast.net Mon Sep 10 11:30:03 2007 From: parlanti at comcast.net (Joe Parlanti) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:30:03 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Complete List - The 50 Worst Cars of All Time - TIME In-Reply-To: <01F8F48B-EBD8-4285-BC44-7520C2507858@mac.com> Message-ID: <002d01c7f3d0$3fe33330$3223150a@JPARLANTIXPLT> Managed to catch a few minutes of 60 minutes last night just as Andy Rooney came on. He was doing a bit about "What Americans Like" and put in a nice plug for his Tiger, complete with photo. Here's a link to the segment: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/15/60minutes/rooney/main2186055.s html Cheers, Joe Parlanti B382000026 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+parlanti=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+parlanti=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Bernardino Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 12:05 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Complete List - The 50 Worst Cars of All Time - TIME Thought you would enjoy a light read form Time magazine. Interesting that there are a smattering of british and german cars, but the majority are american and no japanese cars. Of course an american writer will be biased towards commenting on american products. Rob in CT From stubrennan at comcast.net Mon Sep 10 11:53:01 2007 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:53:01 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Complete List - The 50 Worst Cars of All Time - TIME In-Reply-To: <01F8F48B-EBD8-4285-BC44-7520C2507858@mac.com> Message-ID: <000001c7f3d3$6e7c08e0$6601a8c0@Brennan> Some of their criteria are a little off the mark. Certainly there are many that deserve this "honor", but there are also some that I, or any car guy wouldn't mind having in the garage. The model T, the Amphicar, the MGA TC, the TR7, the DeLorean, the Lotus Elite, are possibilities. We already have the Explorer (a 98). Many of these were probably unsuitable as regular daily drivers, but as automotive toys they could be a lot of fun. Stu From mrlau at charter.net Mon Sep 10 12:09:30 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:09:30 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Complete List - The 50 Worst Cars of All Time - TIME In-Reply-To: <000001c7f3d3$6e7c08e0$6601a8c0@Brennan> Message-ID: <20070910181117.UEEJ495.aarprv02.charter.net@aardvark> I just read the one about the Model T. I think that Michael Moore wrote it. -- Bill -- t Some of their criteria are a little off the mark. Certainly there are many that deserve this "honor", but there are also some that I, or any car guy wouldn't mind having in the garage. The model T, the Amphicar, the MGA TC, the TR7, the DeLorean, the Lotus Elite, are possibilities. We already have the Explorer (a 98). Many of these were probably unsuitable as regular daily drivers, but as automotive toys they could be a lot of fun. Stu _______________________________________________ t From atwittsend at verizon.net Mon Sep 10 12:22:26 2007 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:22:26 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Complete List - The 50 Worst Cars of All Time - TIME References: <20070910181117.UEEJ495.aarprv02.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: <00e601c7f3d7$8a99c540$0202a8c0@allinthefamily> My family has owned three of the cars on the list: Myself, the 1961 Corvair (wagon), which is used as a storage container. My brother has owned both the 1971 Pinto and the Renault Dauphine. Interestingly he's the one with a prison record. Could it be related to the cars he drives??? I know what it must be like to drive a Tiger with a broken fulcrum pin, - because that's how the Dauphine handled. Tom From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Sep 10 12:34:13 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:34:13 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Complete List - The 50 Worst Cars of All Time - TIME Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609DD9@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Considering that the list included several technology-killers, it's surprising that the Vega wasn't included, for the crime of turning the industry away from aluminum-block engine technology. Theo From PhastPhill at aol.com Mon Sep 10 12:36:15 2007 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:36:15 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Complete List - The 50 Worst Cars of All Time - TIME Message-ID: Or how many million Gm 3.1 leaking intake manifold gaskets? From un-cole-a at juno.com Mon Sep 10 13:44:39 2007 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:44:39 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Complete List - The 50 Worst Cars of All Time - TIME Message-ID: <20070910.154439.6324.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> There is not one Japanese car but I could mention a least 10 or more under the same criteria that they used in this article that would fit nicely. Not sure what they are going after but every car has it's faults, so we should list all cars as the worst. All comes down to what you like not what other people like. From mrlau at charter.net Mon Sep 10 14:18:12 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:18:12 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Complete List - The 50 Worst Cars of All Time - TIME In-Reply-To: <20070910.154439.6324.0@webmail14.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <20070910202000.ILSX26124.aa02.charter.net@aardvark> The reason there are no Japanese cars on the list is because there is no more hard proof of how bad the early Jap cars were because they have all changed into iron oxide. You are right about likes and dislikes. What right does anyone have to tell you that your vehicle whatever it is should be on this list. What about a Prius when people start wanting to get rid of their spent batteries in your back yard. Will the greens complain?-- Bill -- There is not one Japanese car but I could mention a least 10 or more under the same criteria that they used in this article that would fit nicely. Not sure what they are going after but every car has it's faults, so we should list all cars as the worst. All comes down to what you like not what other people like. From mrlau at charter.net Mon Sep 10 14:21:41 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:21:41 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] FW: Complete List - The 50 Worst Cars of All Time - TIME Message-ID: <20070910202329.CNRV7864.aa03.charter.net@aardvark> The reason there are no Japanese cars on the list is because there is no more hard proof of how bad the early Jap cars were because they have all changed into iron oxide. You are right about likes and dislikes. What right does anyone have to tell you that your vehicle whatever it is should be on this list. What about a Prius when people start wanting to get rid of their spent batteries in your back yard. Will the greens complain?-- Bill -- There is not one Japanese car but I could mention a least 10 or more under the same criteria that they used in this article that would fit nicely. Not sure what they are going after but every car has it's faults, so we should list all cars as the worst. All comes down to what you like not what other people like. From chris at cthompson.net Mon Sep 10 14:33:48 2007 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:33:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] FW: Complete List - The 50 Worst Cars of All Time - TIME In-Reply-To: <20070910202329.CNRV7864.aa03.charter.net@aardvark> References: <20070910202329.CNRV7864.aa03.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: <46E5AA2C.8000108@cthompson.net> I saw this last week and thought the author was pretty funny. I can imagine he titled it something more along the lines of "50 cars that went wrong" and some bone-headed editor pumped up the title. I think many of us would trade a brand new Honda Accord for quite a number of cars on that list and so would the author..... Chris From stubrennan at comcast.net Mon Sep 10 14:53:10 2007 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:53:10 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] FW: Complete List - The 50 Worst Cars of All Time - TIME In-Reply-To: <20070910202329.CNRV7864.aa03.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: <000001c7f3ec$995d52d0$6601a8c0@Brennan> How bad were early Japanese cars? I was at the New York Auto show, '71 maybe '72, when it was at that convention center that was (IIRC) right at the SW corner of Central Park. Same place that the Lincoln Center Jazz venue is now? Anyway, I think it was Subaru making an early appearance in the USA, and they had a bunch of their little s-boxes on display. They were open, and folks were climbing in and out, with a few salesmen hovering around. So my buddies and I are watching, as this one guy gets in, and reaches under the seat to adjust it for his size. "#@%&*#$%!!!*", he suddenly exclaimed, as he withdrew a bloody hand from beneath the seat. Instantly, all of the salesmen vanished. Apparently part of the seat support mechanism could also serve as a finger guillotine if the seat was in the right position, and he found it. My daily driver is now a Subaru, and it appears they have improved things quite a bit. Stu From kneedrag at core.com Mon Sep 10 14:53:14 2007 From: kneedrag at core.com (Mark Rense) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:53:14 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] DirectLift ProPak7 - 4 post storage lift In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I would also look at Bend-Pak, they make a system which is only a few hundred more than the budget imports and you can get them in different widths and heights. Their narrow HD9-ST fits into the garage easily and I store both Tigers with an 8' ceiling (I did cut out a 14" by 60" recess into the ceiling drywall for the windshield frame). It's built like a tank and meets this G.O.E.'s (Grumpy Old Engineer) requirements. Bugz ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:48:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Waybright Subject: Re: [Tigers] DirectLift ProPak7 - 4 post storage lift To: tigers at autox.team.net Message-ID: <218451.36552.qm at web31715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Is anyone familiar with the DirectLift ProPak7 4 post storage lift? Now that I'm living back in the NorthEast again, I need room to store one more car in the garage over the winter than I have garage spaces, and this seems to be a pretty good way to get a short term solution. the jack accesory also seem like nice way extend the usefulness of the lift for "wheels up" service jobs. I also hear that Rotary is buying them out to extend their own produt line into a more affordable price range. http://www.gregsmithequipment.com/Direct-Lift-Pro-Park-7-Two-Pro-Jacks-p/tpp ro-park7-fslash-projack3500.htm > Stephen Waybright From marcsmall at comcast.net Mon Sep 10 15:05:57 2007 From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:05:57 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] FW: Complete List - The 50 Worst Cars of All Time - TIME In-Reply-To: <000001c7f3ec$995d52d0$6601a8c0@Brennan> References: <20070910202329.CNRV7864.aa03.charter.net@aardvark> <000001c7f3ec$995d52d0$6601a8c0@Brennan> Message-ID: <20070910211521.2677C18763D@autox.team.net> At 04:53 PM 9/10/2007, Stu Brennan wrote: >How bad were early Japanese cars? I was at the New York Auto show, '71 >maybe '72, when it was at that convention center that was (IIRC) right >at the SW corner of Central Park. Same place that the Lincoln Center >Jazz venue is now? Uh? Early Japanese cars in the US were in the late 1950's. By 1971, the Japanese had pretty well figured out the US market and kenw that if they made a car on which the rear-view mirror would stay in place for 75,000 miles, they would be regarded as winners. The Japanese were given an incredible and unanticipated boost in 1973 when the Germans were forced to abandon the "four to the dollar" Bundesmark -- it immediately went to forty cents -- and this crashed Volkswagen, the other quality inexpensive breed at the time, while forcing BMW to move to its current luxury mode. Lists such as this are essentially silly. You have to determine the criteria in use. Take CONSUMER REPORTS: their standards are for reliable, dull, suburban people-movers. Go back and reread their reviews from the 1960's and 1970's and learn how a review can be cooked to accommodate Middle America and its meaningless virtues. Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From awtiger at cox.net Mon Sep 10 15:27:40 2007 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:27:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] FW: Complete List - The 50 Worst Cars of All Time - TIME Message-ID: <18884092.1189459660475.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml05.mgt.cox.net> I agree...lists like this are silly. But, since we're bantering back and forth, I just couldn't resist throwing my .02 worth in. We could just make it easy and say that the list includes "any 50 cars from GM since '71" (I can't trash my old '71 Trans Am I had in high school...that's still one of the baddest cars I ever owned). Let the flames begin ;-) Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX From sganz at pacbell.net Mon Sep 10 16:06:04 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:06:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] DirectLift ProPak7 - 4 post storage lift Message-ID: <579309.84485.qm@web82811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a Park King from AC Lifts in San Diego, and am pretty happy with it. It looks nice and, can be made in a couple of sizes. I think they are made in Texas as I was told. Nice ramps and a few other options like the rest. They also have installation if in the Southern Cal. Area. Were very friendly when I was looking a couple of years back. http://www.aclifts.com/parking/acp-7000.asp Sandy From PhastPhill at aol.com Mon Sep 10 17:48:44 2007 From: PhastPhill at aol.com (PhastPhill at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:48:44 EDT Subject: [Tigers] FW: Complete List - The 50 Worst Cars of All Time - TIME Message-ID: How bad were the first Jap bikes? Those of us who raced "fine European" machines thought they were junk. But gosh the brakes always worked, unlike my Bultaco whose brakes disappeared just looking at the first water hole. And the clutch worked all day with two fingers!! Unlike my Husky which took a full hand to pull. And they started easily unlike "tickling your Amal on my Triumph. And a Mikuni carb actually worked.....try an IRZ on an OSSA or Jikilov on a CZ sometime. They did have to improve.....but boy did they soon get it. It was an award just to finish an enduro in the 60's cause the bikes were so bad. Now almost all finish and it's the rider that's the weak link......lol...Oh parts, on my Montesa it was the next slow boat from Barcelona, Honda had it in stock. From tbrown at midcoast.com Mon Sep 10 20:16:02 2007 From: tbrown at midcoast.com (Theodore Brown) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:16:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Andy Rooney's Tiger Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20070910200748.0134fdc8@midcoast.com> Hello All: The Andy Rooney piece that ran Sunday night on 60 Minutes was a repeat of one that originally ran last November. I did not see it when it ran then, but both my daughter and my brother mentioned it to me and told me that Andy had shown a picture of his Tiger. I was curious, so I tried to get on the 60 Minutes web site and download the video. Unfortunately, I only have dial-up (change comes slowly in Maine) so I gave up and tried again last Spring, when I was finally successful. When I was eventually able to view the video, I was amazed to see that the picture that Rooney claimed was a picture of his car is actually one of MY car, taken by me in my back yard, in front of a lovely maple in its full Fall foliage. Apparently, someone at 60 Minutes (I'm guessing) must have been looking for a pic of a (BRG) Tiger and found the picture that was used in the video on the NY Times web site where I had placed it some time back. The Times allows subscribers to put up pictures and info about their classic cars, which I had done. The link for my Tiger is if any of you are interested. If you compare one of the pics I put up, you'll see it is the same photo that was used by 60 Minutes. When I discovered this little bit of false attribution, I sent an email to Mr. Rooney in which I chided him for his misrepresentation and indicated that he owed me. I suggested to him that in compensation he might do me the favor of attending the annual "Sunbeams in Maine" get-together that my wife and I host here in Maine in October (see the TE/AE web site and newsletter for more info). In fact, I even offered to put up Andy and his entourage in my big old farmhouse. Regrettably, I never heard back from Mr. Rooney - one more blow to the integrity of CBS News! In a later piece on 60 Minutes, Andy revealed that he never replies to emails, so that may be the reason. However, I still feel that his lack of response was a little bit discourteous. Cheers, Tod B382002384LRXFE (the one in the photo) From dickbarker at earthlink.net Mon Sep 10 20:37:59 2007 From: dickbarker at earthlink.net (Dick Barker) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 19:37:59 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] DirectLift ProPak7 - 4 post storage lift In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sandy, et al The first 4-post lift I ever saw was a hydraulic Lift-O-Matic, installed at a Honda dealer here in San Diego by Ian Garrard. After he closed the Rootes headquarters (Chrysler International) on W. Pico Blvd in L.A., Ian was in the lift business for the remainder of his life. Does anyone know the current name of the lift company that was originally Ian's Lift-O-Matic Corporation? Could it be American Custom Lifts in Escondido? Dick ---------- At 04:49 PM 9/10/2007, Sandy Ganz wrote: >I have a Park King from AC Lifts in San Diego, and am pretty happy >with it. It looks nice and, can be made in a couple of sizes. I >think they are made in Texas as I was told. Nice ramps and a few >other options like the rest. They also have installation if in the >Southern Cal. Area. Were very friendly when I was looking a couple >of years back. >http://www.aclifts.com/parking/acp-7000.asp > >Sandy From srwick at hotmail.com Mon Sep 10 21:16:04 2007 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:16:04 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Andy Rooney's Tiger References: <5.0.2.1.1.20070910200748.0134fdc8@midcoast.com> Message-ID: The Easter Bunny, Santa Clause, The Tooth Fairy and honest reporting at CBS are all fairy tales. I think the National Inquirer gets it right more often than "60 Minutes". Just my unsolicited 2 cents worth. Steve in N.Id. ----- Original Message ----- From: Theodore Brown To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Andy Rooney's Tiger Hello All: The Andy Rooney piece that ran Sunday night on 60 Minutes was a repeat of one that originally ran last November. I did not see it when it ran then, but both my daughter and my brother mentioned it to me and told me that Andy had shown a picture of his Tiger. I was curious, so I tried to get on the 60 Minutes web site and download the video. Unfortunately, I only have dial-up (change comes slowly in Maine) so I gave up and tried again last Spring, when I was finally successful. When I was eventually able to view the video, I was amazed to see that the picture that Rooney claimed was a picture of his car is actually one of MY car, taken by me in my back yard, in front of a lovely maple in its full Fall foliage. Apparently, someone at 60 Minutes (I'm guessing) must have been looking for a pic of a (BRG) Tiger and found the picture that was used in the video on the NY Times web site where I had placed it some time back. The Times allows subscribers to put up pictures and info about their classic cars, which I had done. The link for my Tiger is > if any of you are interested. If you compare one of the pics I put up, you'll see it is the same photo that was used by 60 Minutes. When I discovered this little bit of false attribution, I sent an email to Mr. Rooney in which I chided him for his misrepresentation and indicated that he owed me. I suggested to him that in compensation he might do me the favor of attending the annual "Sunbeams in Maine" get-together that my wife and I host here in Maine in October (see the TE/AE web site and newsletter for more info). In fact, I even offered to put up Andy and his entourage in my big old farmhouse. Regrettably, I never heard back from Mr. Rooney - one more blow to the integrity of CBS News! In a later piece on 60 Minutes, Andy revealed that he never replies to emails, so that may be the reason. However, I still feel that his lack of response was a little bit discourteous. Cheers, Tod B382002384LRXFE (the one in the photo) _______________________________________________ srwick at hotmail.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From mrlau at charter.net Mon Sep 10 21:14:38 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:14:38 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Andy Rooney's Tiger Message-ID: <20070911031624.IDYU23773.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> You are right. He could have at least taken 30 seconds and acknowledged you. If he doesn't answer Emails, why does he have it? CBS News that explains it. They don't appear to need an audience. -- Bill -- Hello All: The Andy Rooney piece that ran Sunday night on 60 Minutes was a repeat of one that originally ran last November. I did not see it when it ran then, but both my daughter and my brother mentioned it to me and told me that Andy had shown a picture of his Tiger. I was curious, so I tried to get on the 60 Minutes web site and download the video. Unfortunately, I only have dial-up (change comes slowly in Maine) so I gave up and tried again last Spring, when I was finally successful. When I was eventually able to view the video, I was amazed to see that the picture that Rooney claimed was a picture of his car is actually one of MY car, taken by me in my back yard, in front of a lovely maple in its full Fall foliage. Apparently, someone at 60 Minutes (I'm guessing) must have been looking for a pic of a (BRG) Tiger and found the picture that was used in the video on the NY Times web site where I had placed it some time back. The Times allows subscribers to put up pictures and info about their classic cars, which I had done. The link for my Tiger is When I discovered this little bit of false attribution, I sent an email to Mr. Rooney in which I chided him for his misrepresentation and indicated that he owed me. I suggested to him that in compensation he might do me the favor of attending the annual "Sunbeams in Maine" get-together that my wife and I host here in Maine in October (see the TE/AE web site and newsletter for more info). In fact, I even offered to put up Andy and his entourage in my big old farmhouse. Regrettably, I never heard back from Mr. Rooney - one more blow to the integrity of CBS News! In a later piece on 60 Minutes, Andy revealed that he never replies to emails, so that may be the reason. However, I still feel that his lack of response was a little bit discourteous. Cheers, Tod B382002384LRXFE (the one in the photo) From marcsmall at comcast.net Mon Sep 10 21:33:10 2007 From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:33:10 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] [Alpines] Andy Rooney owns a Tiger In-Reply-To: <810733.8979.qm@web57702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <000d01c7f2e3$9b6194b0$6401a8c0@SEXEYNICKERS> <810733.8979.qm@web57702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20070911033425.204B41879BF@autox.team.net> At 11:12 PM 9/10/2007, Jason Raser wrote: >If you watched 60 Minutes on CBS yesterday you may >have seen Andy Rooney showing a picture of his green >1967 Tiger. He said he bought it new in 1967. > >As an aside, I was walking across a street in New York >City a few years ago and a car (not the Tiger)almost >hit me while the driver was honking at me. When he >drove by I realized it was Andy Rooney. From personal experience, Andy Rooney is a bit of a jerk. Marc msmall at aya.yale.edu Cha robh b`s fir gun ghr`s fir! From CMcCann at lwpb.com Tue Sep 11 10:30:43 2007 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:30:43 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam on eBay Message-ID: Look closely as the blue Sunbeam, item 120160703048. He says its a Tiger that's not been wrecked to his knowledge, but it definitely has an Alpine front end on it.Something about the transmission tunnel looks a bit off to me too. I just noticed and thought it might be prudent to mention for anyone who might be looking at it. Cullen B382001452 From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Sep 11 11:02:17 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:02:17 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam on eBay Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609DDF@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Looks like a domestic tilt steering column (based on the 8th and 11th pictures) found its way in there too. You can see the ignition lock widget on the column in pic # 11. Theo From e.coiner at cox.net Tue Sep 11 11:23:45 2007 From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner at cox.net) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:23:45 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam on eBay Message-ID: <20962172.1189531425396.JavaMail.root@fed1wml11.mgt.cox.net> The shock tower reinforcement is Alpine for sure. ---- Cullen McCann wrote: > Look closely as the blue Sunbeam, item 120160703048. He says its a Tiger > that's not been wrecked to his knowledge, but it definitely has an > Alpine front end on it.Something about the transmission tunnel looks a > bit off to me too. I just noticed and thought it might be prudent to > mention for anyone who might be looking at it. > > Cullen > > B382001452 From maliburevue at yahoo.com Tue Sep 11 13:17:34 2007 From: maliburevue at yahoo.com (Gary Crandall) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam on eBay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <986174.50209.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Between the trunk space/tire hold down, late model steering column, Alpine front strut supports and the struts themselves (only Aplines had the ignition coil support plate on the driver side strut) and goofy VIN (which is not shown), it's an Alpine. If it were a real Tiger the VIN with original rivets and JAL tag ( and TAC number if acquired) would be the first items I would want to show. Then again, if you are going to cutomize a Sunbeam like this with a 351, which requires firewall modification, etc, then do it to an Apline. I've got no problem with that, although a lot Alpine owners may have. Done right with a 351 stroker, this could be a nasty machine. Gary B382001405 Cullen McCann wrote: Look closely as the blue Sunbeam, item 120160703048. He says its a Tiger that's not been wrecked to his knowledge, but it definitely has an Alpine front end on it.Something about the transmission tunnel looks a bit off to me too. I just noticed and thought it might be prudent to mention for anyone who might be looking at it. Cullen B382001452 _______________________________________________ maliburevue at yahoo.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. From jkwouts at yahoo.ca Tue Sep 11 14:42:25 2007 From: jkwouts at yahoo.ca (Kevin Wouters) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] Andy Rooney's Tiger Message-ID: <128763.97911.qm@web30904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For what it's worth... I would drop that link on to the Wikipedia site for Any Rooney, he might not return emails but he can't escape notice of being a dumb ass all the time. Here is the link... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Rooney You obviously work hard on the care of your Tiger, don't let him get away with it! From v8cat at yahoo.com Tue Sep 11 15:13:00 2007 From: v8cat at yahoo.com (v8cat) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Andy Rooney's Tiger In-Reply-To: <128763.97911.qm@web30904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <269387.15621.qm@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I spoke to Andy a few years back and he told me his mechanic replaced the engine. Seem to remember with a 289. He also doesn't drive it to far because "it is to small". How he bought it is in his book. Kevin Wouters wrote: For what it's worth... I would drop that link on to the Wikipedia site for Any Rooney, he might not return emails but he can't escape notice of being a dumb ass all the time. Here is the link... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Rooney You obviously work hard on the care of your Tiger, don't let him get away with it! _______________________________________________ v8cat at yahoo.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 15:23:01 2007 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:23:01 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Andy Rooney's Tiger In-Reply-To: <269387.15621.qm@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <128763.97911.qm@web30904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <269387.15621.qm@web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39a841b0709111423oa597e68ief38e7202f9b47a5@mail.gmail.com> never heard of the guy but he seems like a total c**k. On 9/11/07, v8cat wrote: > I spoke to Andy a few years back and he told me his mechanic replaced the engine. Seem to remember with a 289. He also doesn't drive it to far because "it is to small". How he bought it is in his book. > > > Kevin Wouters wrote: > For what it's worth... I would drop that link on to the Wikipedia site for Any Rooney, he might not return emails but he can't escape notice of being a dumb ass all the time. > > Here is the link... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Rooney > > You obviously work hard on the care of your Tiger, don't let him get away with it! > _______________________________________________ > v8cat at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > --------------------------------- > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. > _______________________________________________ > owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From mrlau at charter.net Tue Sep 11 16:15:34 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:15:34 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Andy Rooney's Tiger Message-ID: <20070911221721.ZMQB23773.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> Great idea. I say; what nerve to claim the Tiger as his and then not even acknowledge you with an Email return.-- Bill -- For what it's worth... I would drop that link on to the Wikipedia site for Any Rooney, he might not return emails but he can't escape notice of being a dumb ass all the time. Here is the link... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Rooney You obviously work hard on the care of your Tiger, don't let him get away with it! From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 11 17:30:26 2007 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:30:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam on eBay Message-ID: <649820.25785.qm@web81510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There is a bracket welded to the fender strut supporting the steering shaft which looks kind of funky. Plus the slot cut in front of the radiator to mount the pusher fan. The car looks like c***p even for a conversion. Jeff From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 11 17:50:57 2007 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam on eBay Message-ID: <643744.23559.qm@web81511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just looked at the trunk photo and you can see the vertical brace for the spare tire bolt. It certainly appears to be a Alpine from bow to stern. This has to be the worst case of a fake Tiger I have seen. Jeff From CMcCann at lwpb.com Thu Sep 13 12:31:48 2007 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:31:48 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] alpine on eBay...again Message-ID: Among others, I also told the guy with the blue Alpine on eBay that his Tiger wasn't real, but I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, because maybe he was scammed and he didn't know the difference. He has replied back to me asking for my help to determine exactly what the car is. he seems like a nice guy and I think he wants to represent it correctly, he just thought it was a Tiger because someone told him it was. his vin# 1AB9472286LRXFE....I cant remember what the years breaks were in the numbers, and I have a b38200.. number so I'm a little ignorant about b947's. I did have a 67 Alpine a few years ago that had a b947 number I think., but it was just a lrx....no "FE" which is a Tiger only designation correct? So someone tried to put a tiger vin on it? I can see on Tigers United the breakdown of vins for Tigers...but what about Alpines? if it were the same for a 9472286....that would make it a 1964? maybe we can compile a list of characteristics that would help him figure it out.....or .....we could find something more productive to do and not even mess with it. Or I could tell him to to talk to about it. From JHef101 at aol.com Thu Sep 13 12:43:50 2007 From: JHef101 at aol.com (JHef101 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:43:50 EDT Subject: [Tigers] alpine on eBay...again Message-ID: In a message dated 9/13/2007 2:34:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CMcCann at lwpb.com writes: Among others, I also told the guy with the blue Alpine on eBay that his Tiger wasn't real, but I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, because maybe he was scammed and he didn't know the difference. He has replied back to me asking for my help to determine exactly what the car is. he seems like a nice guy and I think he wants to represent it correctly, he just thought it was a Tiger because someone told him it was. his vin# 1AB9472286LRXFE....I cant remember what the years breaks were in the numbers, and I have a b38200.. number so I'm a little ignorant about b947's. I did have a 67 Alpine a few years ago that had a b947 number I think., but it was just a lrx....no "FE" which is a Tiger only designation correct? So someone tried to put a tiger vin on it? I can see on Tigers United the breakdown of vins for Tigers...but what about Alpines? if it were the same for a 9472286....that would make it a 1964? maybe we can compile a list of characteristics that would help him figure it out.....or .....we could find something more productive to do and not even mess with it. Or I could tell him to to talk to about it. _______________________________________________ I know that there are others on this list more conversant than myself in this so jump in if I am wrong. I too e-mailed the guy and queried him on the history of his car and told him that it appeared to be an Alpine body with Tiger parts attached. As far as I know the 947xxxx series was limited to Tiger production starting in April 1964. I haven't seen any Alpines that carried that designation and I have owned in the past 63,64, and 66 Alpines. It would appear that he possibly bought an Alpine that was converted to a Tiger from a basket case donor car that included the VIN data plate and that he transposed or misunderstood the numbers and included the 1A in front. What does the BON say about B9472286? It sort of sounds familiar. Best, Jeff Hefner B9470028 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Thu Sep 13 12:45:45 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:45:45 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] alpine on eBay...again Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609DEF@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> I also sent him an email but he didn't reply. Basically I told him the same thing: It looks like someone "rebodied" a Tiger and then added on a bunch of other questionable bits. Basically he's in a tough spot. The car has at least a state-assigned VIN and maybe a JAL plate (Alpines have SALxxxxx) that points to it being passed off as a Tiger at some point, but that's obviously not what it is, so if he advertises it as a Tiger he's committing (at least) false advertising, and if he presents it as a tarted up Alpine then he can't explain the origin of the VIN plate. Since it's a state assigned VIN he's probably best off doing the latter. The fact that he's got a 947xxxx serial number on a body that's obviously an Alpine V (or mid to late Tiger Mk1A) is also an issue from the authenticity point of view, but the fact that it's a state assigned VIN would probably save the car from the crusher. He can always claim that they messed up the numbering when that happened. Theo From CMcCann at lwpb.com Thu Sep 13 12:48:14 2007 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:48:14 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] alpine on eBay...again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I looked on the TU page with the vin ranges by model and year, to make sure it wasnt one of the long lost hand built prototypes or something.....nothing there about it specifically. cullen I know that there are others on this list more conversant than myself in this so jump in if I am wrong. I too e-mailed the guy and queried him on the history of his car and told him that it appeared to be an Alpine body with Tiger parts attached. As far as I know the 947xxxx series was limited to Tiger production starting in April 1964. I haven't seen any Alpines that carried that designation and I have owned in the past 63,64, and 66 Alpines. It would appear that he possibly bought an Alpine that was converted to a Tiger from a basket case donor car that included the VIN data plate and that he transposed or misunderstood the numbers and included the 1A in front. What does the BON say about B9472286? It sort of sounds familiar. From max348 at comcast.net Thu Sep 13 15:51:06 2007 From: max348 at comcast.net (R Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:51:06 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Coolant Recovery Message-ID: <001a01c7f650$3099f080$9c5a7d18@maxh5p0k3wk247> Hello all- I'm planning on installing a coolant-recovery system this weekend & have a few questions regarding this. First is pertaining to the factory header tank overflow outlet. I am wondering if it is necessary to have it soldered up? I have read several description in the archives making mention to this & have been unable to determine if this is the ONLY option... Secondly is the replacement of the OEM radiator cap with an actual "recovery" type cap? ( I am assuming that if the outlet on the header tank has to be soldered, this will DEFINITELY be necessary! ) Also - is there a certain pressure cap that I need? Thank you, Rob From DJoh797014 at aol.com Thu Sep 13 17:33:35 2007 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:33:35 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Coolant Recovery Message-ID: Its not rocket science. Run the recovery line from the header tank to the recovery container using the vent hose on the tank under the cap. Replace the cap with a recovery cap. And you're done except for figuring out where to put the recovery container. I used a Tudor washer bottle, basket and bracket from an Alpine. I placed the bottle on the frame next to the steering extension. This way the weight was supported by the frame. Worked great. The hose from the header tank was too big for the nipple on the Tudor bottle. So I cemented a right size hose inside the larger one. When the beast was hot you could see the bottle file up. When it' colled off the fluid would be sucked back into the header tank. The early Tigers came with 9 lb caps. The later Tigers came with 13 lb caps. Use the right recovery cap. The heater core is your main worry. If its set for 9 lbs you may want to reinforce it. CAT had a tech tip on this. Dave Johnson. 547 Cars at the Chicago British Car Festival last Sunday. !2 Sunbeams 7 Tigers, 4 Alpiens, and 1 Imp. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Carmods at aol.com Fri Sep 14 06:47:10 2007 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:47:10 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Coolant Recovery Message-ID: "Run the recovery line from the header tank to the recovery container using the vent hose on the tank under the cap. Replace the cap with a recovery cap. " Do as Dave Johnson says but make sure the line from the tank to the recovery container goes to the bottom of the container so that it can pick up coolant as the radiator cools down. John Logan ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From awtiger at cox.net Fri Sep 14 07:22:44 2007 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 9:22:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] alpine on eBay...again Message-ID: <6422110.1189776164583.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml12> Hey, all: Being both an Alpine and Tiger owner, maybe I can help clear up the serial # points being discussed here. As we all know, the "B947..." series of cars were Tiger Mk1s, the "B382..." series were Tiger Mk1As and the "B3821..." series were Tiger MkIIs. As far as Alpines go, they break down like this: "B900..." were Series Is, "B910..." were Series IIs, "B920..." were Series IIIs, "B940..." or "B941..." were Series IVs and "B395..." were Series Vs. The car in question on Ebay undoubtedly started life as a "B395..." Series V Alpine due to it's square cornered doors and hood and it's unleaded body seams. Since it's got the State of Iowa-assigned VIN plate on it with what appears to be a legitimate Tiger Mk1 serial # ("B947...", which is another dead giveaway...the square corner Tigers would most generally either be "B382..." or "B3821..." cars), I'll bet that it's a donor body to a wrecked or rusted out Tiger. The car is an obvious fake to anyone who's messed with Tigers for a while. Assuming the current owner isn't trying to defraud someone himself, it's a shame that he got stuck with it. My .02 cents worth, Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX ---- Cullen McCann wrote: > I looked on the TU page with the vin ranges by model and year, to make > sure it wasnt one of the long lost hand built prototypes or > something.....nothing there about it specifically. > > cullen > > > > > > > > > I know that there are others on this list more conversant than myself in > this so jump in if I am wrong. I too e-mailed the guy and queried him on > the history of his car and told him that it appeared to be an Alpine > body with Tiger parts attached. As far as I know the 947xxxx series was > limited to Tiger production starting in April 1964. I haven't seen any > Alpines that carried that designation and I have owned in the past > 63,64, and 66 Alpines. It would appear that he possibly bought an Alpine > that was converted to a Tiger from a basket case donor car that included > the VIN data plate and that he transposed or misunderstood the numbers > and included the 1A in front. What does the BON say about B9472286? It > sort of sounds familiar. > _______________________________________________ > awtiger at cox.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From CoolVT at aol.com Fri Sep 14 07:32:31 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:32:31 EDT Subject: [Tigers] alpine on eBay...again Message-ID: Andy, Maybe he really didn't get "stuck with it." He supposedly got it from an estate. If he paid $3,000 or $5,000 he should still be able to do quite well even selling it as an Alger. Somehow I get the feeling that he bought it pretty cheaply. The main point is that after the communications from list members, he should investigate and then list it as an Alger. Of course if it has enough original Tiger parts, possibly it would be TACed as a Tiger. Getting back to the old discussion, I don't think anyone has ever established what parts and how many parts must be present to be TACed as a Tiger. Mark ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Fri Sep 14 08:23:48 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:23:48 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] alpine on eBay...again Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609DF1@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> TAC focuses on the body shell and how the bodyshell parts were assembled. You could put a Chevy rat motor into a Tiger body with a Nissan IRS, a crushed velvet interior and shag carpet on the outside, and it will still pass TAC. However, transferring every component that unbolts from a Tiger onto an Alpine shell, and grafting on the spare tire hold down, the front fender braces, and the VIN plate, will not get you a TAC sticker. My thinking is in line with Andy's. If he's legitimate in not knowing what he got, then it's very unfortunate for him, but the only way out is to relist it as an Alpine conversion. The history of how it got a state-assigned VIN that is very much like a Tiger's would have to be judiciously ignored, because digging into that part too much will just get the car crushed. Best regards, Theo From dave at chesmorebuck.com Fri Sep 14 08:38:54 2007 From: dave at chesmorebuck.com (Dave Buck) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:38:54 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] FW: The barn Message-ID: <000901c7f6dc$f9f4b370$0301a8c0@ute3> A friend sent this to me. Somebody went to a lot of trouble if it is a hoax. Subject: The barn What a find!! A NY man retired. He wanted to use his retirement money wisely, so it would last, and decided to buy a home and a few acres in Portugal. The modest farmhouse had been vacant for 15yrs.; the owner and wife both had died, and there were no heirs. The house was sold to pay taxes. There had been several lookers, but the large barn had steel doors, and they had been welded shut. Nobody wanted to go to the extra expense to see what was in the barn, and it wasn't complimentary to the property anyway......so, nobody made an offer on the place. The NY guy bought it at just over half of the property's worth, moved in, and set about to tear in to the barn.......curiosity was killing him. So, he and his wife bought a generator, and a couple of grinders.......and cut thru the welds. What was in the barn...............? Go to; www.intuh.net/barnfinds/afa70.htm and start wishing it you had bought the place. Be sure and click Next above each slide, there are a lot! = From pete_stanisavljevich at coxtarget.com Fri Sep 14 08:42:16 2007 From: pete_stanisavljevich at coxtarget.com (Peter Stanisavljevich) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:42:16 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] FW: The barn Message-ID: <1C49C365BAD2E54082C2E7BFD6EE2625276C4E@EX-CL1.coxtarget.com> The Great Portugese Barn Find hoax - debunked but still going strong; http://www.snopes.com/photos/automobiles/barnfind.asp ps From laurin212 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 14 08:44:13 2007 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] FW: The barn In-Reply-To: <000901c7f6dc$f9f4b370$0301a8c0@ute3> Message-ID: <282374.31170.qm@web53601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> i didnt look into this much but did 30 seconds of googling... Sports Car Market magazine was trying to figure out if it was a hoax... http://www.sportscarmarket.com/articles/archives/1110 sounds like it was... (assuming you trust my 30 seconds of google searching) http://www.snopes.com/photos/automobiles/barnfind.asp peter --- Dave Buck wrote: > A friend sent this to me. Somebody went to a lot of trouble if it is a > hoax. > > Peter Laurinaitis peter.laurinaitis.wg02 at wharton.upenn.edu From drmayf at mayfco.com Fri Sep 14 08:47:30 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:47:30 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] FW: The barn In-Reply-To: <000901c7f6dc$f9f4b370$0301a8c0@ute3> References: <000901c7f6dc$f9f4b370$0301a8c0@ute3> Message-ID: <46EA9F02.5000004@mayfco.com> This has been around for a while. It is a hoax. mayf Dave Buck wrote: >A friend sent this to me. Somebody went to a lot of trouble if it is a >hoax. > > > > > > >Subject: The barn > > >What a find!! > >A NY man retired. He wanted to use his retirement money wisely, so it >would last, and decided to buy a home and a few acres in Portugal. The >modest farmhouse had been vacant for 15yrs.; the owner and wife both had >died, and there were no heirs. The house was sold to pay taxes. There >had been several lookers, but the large barn had steel doors, and they >had been welded shut. > >Nobody wanted to go to the extra expense to see what was in the barn, >and it wasn't complimentary to the property anyway......so, nobody made >an offer on the place. > >The NY guy bought it at just over half of the property's worth, moved >in, and set about to tear in to the barn.......curiosity was killing >him. > >So, he and his wife bought a generator, and a couple of >grinders.......and cut thru the welds. > >What was in the barn...............? > >Go to; www.intuh.net/barnfinds/afa70.htm and start wishing it you had >bought the place. > >Be sure and click Next above each slide, there are a lot! > > > > > > > > >= >_______________________________________________ >drmayf at mayfco.com > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From laurin212 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 14 08:51:41 2007 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] alpine on eBay...again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <147772.48627.qm@web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> the old "i got it from an estate and dont know better" story. yeah right. someone shrewd enough to buy a car that is supposed to be special and worth some money who bought it for a fraction of its value. anyone can google for 5 minutes and see what you are supposed to look for. 10% chance he actually got taken, 90% chance he's just trying to take someone else. sorry, the cynic in me. oh by the way, i'm a bank manager with a bank account that holds unclaimed $10mm in sierra leone and am willing to share 20% of it if you help me get it transferred to your US account... =) peter --- CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > Andy, > Maybe he really didn't get "stuck with it." He supposedly got it from an > estate. If he paid $3,000 or $5,000 he should still be able to do quite > well > even selling it as an Alger. Somehow I get the feeling that he bought it > pretty > cheaply. > The main point is that after the communications from list members, he should > > investigate and then list it as an Alger. Of course if it has enough > original Tiger parts, possibly it would be TACed as a Tiger. Getting back > to the > old discussion, I don't think anyone has ever established what parts and how > > many parts must be present to be TACed as a Tiger. > Mark > > Peter Laurinaitis peter.laurinaitis.wg02 at wharton.upenn.edu From CoolVT at aol.com Fri Sep 14 08:55:50 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:55:50 EDT Subject: [Tigers] FW: The barn Message-ID: That is really neat. The cars appeared to have been stored for awhile. Someone has definitely been doing some car collecting. As to whether the rest of the story is true.........:-) Hot Rod magazine ran a story last year about a collector who had filled 4 or 5 forty foot trailers with a collection of extremely rare muscle car parts. Things like rare induction systems, fuel injections, complete engines and so forth. If I remember right he had some of the doors to the trailers welded shut and some back to back so he or no one else could get into them. So, I guess based on that, anything is possible. In Vermont about 8-10 yrs. ago, a couple that everyone considered pretty odd and pretty poor financially, died and left barns full of valuable cars. The resulting auction brought in a few million. Mark ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From CMcCann at lwpb.com Fri Sep 14 08:57:58 2007 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:57:58 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] alpine on eBay...again In-Reply-To: <147772.48627.qm@web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <147772.48627.qm@web53610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I guess if its too good to be true...then it probably isn't... Cullen the old "i got it from an estate and dont know better" story. yeah right. someone shrewd enough to buy a car that is supposed to be special and worth some money who bought it for a fraction of its value. anyone can google for 5 minutes and see what you are supposed to look for. 10% chance he actually got taken, 90% chance he's just trying to take someone else. sorry, the cynic in me. oh by the way, i'm a bank manager with a bank account that holds unclaimed $10mm in sierra leone and am willing to share 20% of it if you help me get it transferred to your US account... =) peter From dickbarker at earthlink.net Fri Sep 14 09:50:00 2007 From: dickbarker at earthlink.net (Dick Barker) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:50:00 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] TAC criteria In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 07:44 AM 9/14/2007, Mark wrote: >Of course if it has enough original Tiger parts, possibly it would >be TACed as a Tiger. Getting back to the old discussion, I don't >think anyone has ever established what parts and how many parts must >be present to be TACed as a Tiger. ---------- Mark, et al Theo is correct, as usual. TAC criteria has absolutely nothing to do with what parts are on a car. It's all about evidence of the factory methodology used in the car's construction. If a vehicle was not originally built as a Tiger, there is nothing you can do to disguise that. I can say that because I am not a certified TAC inspector, but you won't see comments on this subject from those who are because that would not be in keeping with the ethics of the service they provide. IMHO, TAC has made a significant contribution to the documentation and value of legitimate Tigers. Without it, we probably wouldn't even be having this discussion today. Too bad administration of the program isn't more aggressive. Dick From max348 at comcast.net Fri Sep 14 13:17:47 2007 From: max348 at comcast.net (R Smith) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:17:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] recovery-cap Message-ID: <002401c7f703$ef5bec90$9c5a7d18@maxh5p0k3wk247> Ok - Thanks everyone for the replies regarding the coolant recovery set-up. Everything is installed & all hoses are ran. I went to the local autoparts store to get a new radiator cap & was totally clueless ( so was the guy behind the counter, all he wanted to know was make & model ) with regards to what cap I need? I was looking specifically for a "recovery" cap, but non of the caps made any reference to actually being "recovery" caps... Am I missing something here, LOL! How do I know which is a recovery-cap & which isn't? I hope this isn't coming off as a stupid question - I just want to make sure to get the right cap. Thanks again... From max348 at comcast.net Fri Sep 14 14:28:31 2007 From: max348 at comcast.net (R Smith) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:28:31 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] recovery-cap References: <002401c7f703$ef5bec90$9c5a7d18@maxh5p0k3wk247> Message-ID: <000501c7f70d$d1984000$9c5a7d18@maxh5p0k3wk247> Nevermind - I found an old post in the archives which listed a Stant 13lb # 11329 as the cap needed. Thanks anyway... ----- Original Message ----- From: "R Smith" To: Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 3:17 PM Subject: [Tigers] recovery-cap > Ok - Thanks everyone for the replies regarding the coolant recovery > set-up. > > Everything is installed & all hoses are ran. I went to the local autoparts > store to get a new radiator cap & was totally clueless ( so was the guy > behind > the counter, all he wanted to know was make & model ) with regards to what > cap > I need? > > I was looking specifically for a "recovery" cap, but non of the caps made > any > reference to actually being "recovery" caps... Am I missing something > here, > LOL! How do I know which is a recovery-cap & which isn't? > > I hope this isn't coming off as a stupid question - I just want to make > sure > to get the right cap. > > Thanks again... > _______________________________________________ > max348 at comcast.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From fluxion at midcoast.com Fri Sep 14 14:44:09 2007 From: fluxion at midcoast.com (Tod Brown) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:44:09 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] alpine on eBay...again Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20070914164237.00f1e1c0@midcoast.com> Peter: Please contact me about the account in Sierra Leone..... ;>) Tod B382002384LRXFE From choffman9 at cinci.rr.com Fri Sep 14 15:45:19 2007 From: choffman9 at cinci.rr.com (Curt) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:45:19 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] FW: The barn References: <000901c7f6dc$f9f4b370$0301a8c0@ute3> <46EA9F02.5000004@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <00db01c7f718$8c3926e0$0101a8c0@HomeComputer> Ah, hoaxes are what dreams are made of. If only it were true and me. Curt Hoffman ----- Original Message ----- From: "drmayf" To: "Dave Buck" Cc: Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] FW: The barn > This has been around for a while. It is a hoax. From DJoh797014 at aol.com Fri Sep 14 18:06:11 2007 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:06:11 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Coolant Recovery Message-ID: John's right as usual. The brass nipple on the washer bottle goes through the cap and connects to a plastic host that runs to the bottom of the tank as John says. Mine even had a coarse filter on the end.. I believe MK II's didn't habe the bras nipple and the washer line ran straight througn the cap. I'l have to remember to check Ken Bishop's. Dave ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From DJoh797014 at aol.com Fri Sep 14 18:24:07 2007 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:24:07 EDT Subject: [Tigers] recovery-cap Message-ID: Make sure the Stant cap says 'coolant' recovery. Otherwise you system won't work. Dave ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From parlanti at comcast.net Sat Sep 15 18:08:59 2007 From: parlanti at comcast.net (Joe Parlanti) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:08:59 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Filter Adapter In-Reply-To: <007a01c7ec4f$b3aa1c30$657ba8c0@TERRYSDESKTOP> Message-ID: <000001c7f7f5$c7c89cd0$650fa8c0@JVPPC> Guys, I'm in the process of installing a different remote oil filter setup on my car. Based on some great info from Larry Paulick, I purchased a Transdapt block adapter, and oil filter mount from Summit Racing. As I removed the original block adapter, I realized that the block was not threaded for the standard 3/4-16 nipple as I had thought. The big hollow bolt that goes through the original adapter is something around 1" in diameter. So here's my question: Does anyone know where to find and adapter that would screw into the block with a 1" thread (or whatever it is), stepped down to a 3/4-16 pipe thread that would mate with the adapter? I could always reuse the old adapter and simply run the new hoses from it up to the new bracket, but I'm concerned about the hoses in the center being too close to the header. Thanks in advance, Joe Parlanti B382000026 From parlanti at comcast.net Sat Sep 15 18:16:07 2007 From: parlanti at comcast.net (Joe Parlanti) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:16:07 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Filter Adapter In-Reply-To: <000001c7f7f5$c7c89cd0$650fa8c0@JVPPC> Message-ID: <000101c7f7f6$c71b2950$650fa8c0@JVPPC> As a follow-up to my last email, I ran across this part on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FORD-302-V8-OIL-FILTER-ADAPTER-NEW-Mustan g-5-0-NR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33661QQihZ007QQitemZ170147639308QQrd Z1QQsspagenameZWDVW It looks like exactly what is needed assuming the threads are correct. JVP -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+parlanti=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+parlanti=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Parlanti Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 8:09 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Oil Filter Adapter Guys, I'm in the process of installing a different remote oil filter setup on my car. Based on some great info from Larry Paulick, I purchased a Transdapt block adapter, and oil filter mount from Summit Racing. As I removed the original block adapter, I realized that the block was not threaded for the standard 3/4-16 nipple as I had thought. The big hollow bolt that goes through the original adapter is something around 1" in diameter. So here's my question: Does anyone know where to find and adapter that would screw into the block with a 1" thread (or whatever it is), stepped down to a 3/4-16 pipe thread that would mate with the adapter? I could always reuse the old adapter and simply run the new hoses from it up to the new bracket, but I'm concerned about the hoses in the center being too close to the header. Thanks in advance, Joe Parlanti B382000026 Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From tsmit at shaw.ca Sat Sep 15 19:36:24 2007 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 19:36:24 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Filter Adapter In-Reply-To: <000101c7f7f6$c71b2950$650fa8c0@JVPPC> References: <000101c7f7f6$c71b2950$650fa8c0@JVPPC> Message-ID: <46EC8898.3000708@shaw.ca> Hi Joe, That part is a standard piece that's threaded into any late(r) model 302 or 5.0. You should be able to get it at your local Ford dealer, or from any autowrecker that deals in Fords. IIRC the one I have on my 5.0 has an internal hex so you can use a big hex wrench to remove/replace it. Best regards, Theo Joe Parlanti wrote: > As a follow-up to my last email, I ran across this part on eBay: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/FORD-302-V8-OIL-FILTER-ADAPTER-NEW-Mustan > g-5-0-NR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33661QQihZ007QQitemZ170147639308QQrd > Z1QQsspagenameZWDVW > > It looks like exactly what is needed assuming the threads are correct. > > JVP From sganz at pacbell.net Sat Sep 15 19:50:42 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] First Drive and Shifter Handle Message-ID: <360041.90256.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well big day today, got up, vacuumed out the seat rot from the foam that is decomposing and drove to the gas station and filled the Tiger up. Average warm day in the San Fernando Valley today, and the new Griffin Aluminum radiator worked great, I have a shroud, but took it off, running a small fiberglass fan that will likely get replaced by one of the 6 blade Ford ones I picked up in EPAY. Never saw over 190 stop and go and off the freeway ran below that most of the time during the afternoon. Successful ride, drove out to Glendale to work on another yet another car I have, finished, and drove back. Didn't overheat, brakes worked, etc. I think the toughest part of the day was folding up the top and not flooring the car :-) Man I love this little car, just needs some TLC and a motor! Now a question, one part that is broken that I can't find is the reverse lock out lever in the shifter. I have a 'Nail' with some tape on it. Does anyone make it (The T part) ? Or the complete shifter handle? Looks very close to the mustang except for the mustang has the bend back where the Tiger has almost a straight shifter (slight bend back). Can one be cut up (64 looks like it might work, but would have to measure)? Sandy From tsmit at shaw.ca Sat Sep 15 20:12:21 2007 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:12:21 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Filter Adapter In-Reply-To: <46EC8898.3000708@shaw.ca> References: <000101c7f7f6$c71b2950$650fa8c0@JVPPC> <46EC8898.3000708@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <46EC9105.4000107@shaw.ca> Joe, It looks like the Ford part number for this piece is F1AZ-6890-B, and it should cost about $7 at your local dealer. Educated guessing based on this: Good luck, Theo From parlanti at comcast.net Sat Sep 15 20:30:44 2007 From: parlanti at comcast.net (Joe Parlanti) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:30:44 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Oil Filter Adapter In-Reply-To: <46EC9105.4000107@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <000001c7f809$95d6b9a0$650fa8c0@JVPPC> Theo, Thanks, that's exactly the kind of information I needed. Appreciate the help. JVP -----Original Message----- From: Theo Smit [mailto:tsmit at shaw.ca] Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 10:12 PM To: Theo Smit Cc: Joe Parlanti; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Oil Filter Adapter Joe, It looks like the Ford part number for this piece is F1AZ-6890-B, and it should cost about $7 at your local dealer. Educated guessing based on this: Good luck, Theo From bomber44 at comcast.net Sun Sep 16 09:15:54 2007 From: bomber44 at comcast.net (bomber44 at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:15:54 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] tire needed Message-ID: <091620071515.9713.46ED48AA0004203C000025F12207300033CECBCB9D0A0D03010D@comcast.net> I got a flat in one of my Kuhmo tires and need to replace it. Anyone have a new or decent Kuhmo 205/60/R13 they are willing to sell? The others are all new and I hate to have to replace them rob 510-918-9217 From deiland1 at elp.rr.com Sun Sep 16 19:12:42 2007 From: deiland1 at elp.rr.com (Dan Eiland) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:12:42 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] FS-1973 Triumph GT6 Message-ID: <000f01c7f8c7$d9636a60$2c11f218@elp.rr.com> I know this is not related to any of these lists but if you are like me you like a number of different sports cars from yesteryear. It is sad that I must part with my 1973 GT6. I purchased this car for my son's first car but he and I along with our better half have finally decided that we must part with the GT6. As some of you are aware my son wears a prosthetic leg and, although he can drive the GT6 quite well, I am concerned with how quickly he can react in an emergency because of the prosthetic. After many hours of discussions we have concluded it would be better and safer for him to have a car with an automatic transmission. We have already located another car that he likes and now sadly must part with the GT6. I thought I would give the lists I belong to a chance first before listing the car elsewhere. I would like $6000 for the car and in my opinion it is well worth it. Although the car is not perfect, it is rust free and in good condition and ready to drive. If there is anyone truly interested please contact me off list at "deiland1atelpdotrrdotcom". I hope I don't have to explain what to do with that email address but if you really need help just ask. Thanks, Dan Eiland El Paso, Texas 1973 GT6 1974 Jensen Healey From Rollright at aol.com Mon Sep 17 09:14:18 2007 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:14:18 EDT Subject: [Tigers] top frame question Message-ID: Hey there Tiger hot shots, Detailing the Tiger this weekend for the Maine tour in about 3 weeks, I was installing new rubber around side windows and across the part that meets with windshield frame (TOUGH install on this), I came across an old problem.... The frame as it aligns to the rear of the passenger windows, is fine at the top but at the bottom end, separated window to frame by about 1.5 inches or so. What is the fix here? Top was replaced once about 30 years ago when in my possession and was the same problem then. Someone put in a bunch of washers between the up-arm and the frame that have been there since some P.O. Anybody? Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Greg.Koss at trw.com Mon Sep 17 11:12:15 2007 From: Greg.Koss at trw.com (Greg Koss) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:12:15 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] top frame question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46EE7D2F.880C.0076.0@TRW.COM> Jim, look at the hinge at the bottom of the "B" pillar. It gets bent, which pushes the "B" pillar up. Straighten and lubricate to lower the "B" pillar. >>> 9/17/2007 11:14 AM >>> Hey there Tiger hot shots, Detailing the Tiger this weekend for the Maine tour in about 3 weeks, I was installing new rubber around side windows and across the part that meets with windshield frame (TOUGH install on this), I came across an old problem.... The frame as it aligns to the rear of the passenger windows, is fine at the top but at the bottom end, separated window to frame by about 1.5 inches or so. What is the fix here? Top was replaced once about 30 years ago when in my possession and was the same problem then. Someone put in a bunch of washers between the up-arm and the frame that have been there since some P.O. Anybody? Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com From rande at thecia.net Mon Sep 17 17:24:35 2007 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:24:35 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] D. Barkers comments on TAC Message-ID: <46ef0cb3.603e.0@thecia.net> IMHO, TAC has made a significant contribution to the documentation and value of legitimate Tigers. Without it, we probably wouldn't even be having this discussion today. Too bad administration of the program isn't more aggressive. I, too, am not currently a TAC inspector, but like Dick, support the TAC program. As Dick wrote, the sole purpose for inspecting is to determine whether the Tiger under consideration for a certificate did originally travel down the Jensen assembly line with the goal of being finished as a Sunbeam Tiger. The TAC Committee inspects Tigers solely for the owner of the car, and solely by invitation by the owner. The TAC Committee does not initiate any inspections on their own. They have to be invited by the car's owner, otherwise the process doesn't begin. This explains why the the TAC Committee may not seem to be more aggressive with their inspections, to some folks. From bamcnulty at optonline.net Mon Sep 17 17:35:40 2007 From: bamcnulty at optonline.net (Tony McNulty) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:35:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] D. Barkers comments on TAC References: <46ef0cb3.603e.0@thecia.net> Message-ID: <000601c7f983$755b05c0$0300a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> I agree to the value of TACing a car. How does one do this on the East Coast? Mine's pulled apart and close to a rotisserie media blasting job. Tony McNulty B382001321 (original owner) ----- Original Message ----- From: "rande" To: Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] D. Barkers comments on TAC > IMHO, TAC has made a significant contribution to the documentation > and value of legitimate Tigers. Without it, we probably wouldn't even > be having this discussion today. Too bad administration of the > program isn't more aggressive. > > I, too, am not currently a TAC inspector, but like Dick, support the TAC > program. > As Dick wrote, the sole purpose for inspecting is to determine whether the > Tiger > under consideration for a certificate did originally travel down the > Jensen > assembly line with the goal of being finished as a Sunbeam Tiger. The TAC > Committee > inspects Tigers solely for the owner of the car, and solely by invitation > by > the owner. The TAC Committee does not initiate any inspections on their > own. > They have to be invited by the car's owner, otherwise the process doesn't > begin. > This explains why the the TAC Committee may not seem to be more aggressive > with > their inspections, to some folks. > _______________________________________________ > bamcnulty at optonline.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From Sjhcobra1 at cs.com Mon Sep 17 18:22:47 2007 From: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Sjhcobra1 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:22:47 EDT Subject: [Tigers] D. Barkers comments on TAC Message-ID: Tony: Where are you located on the east coast? There are several TAC inspection teams on the east coast. You should wait until your interior is painted before you have your car inspected. Tigers East/ Alpines East is holding it's United XXVII in Daytona Beach October 5 through 7 and we will be TACing there. Steve Halbrook From max348 at comcast.net Mon Sep 17 18:37:47 2007 From: max348 at comcast.net (R Smith) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:37:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] D. Barkers comments on TAC References: <46ef0cb3.603e.0@thecia.net> <000601c7f983$755b05c0$0300a8c0@your4dacd0ea75> Message-ID: <001301c7f98c$23421720$9c5a7d18@maxh5p0k3wk247> I too live on the East Coast ( Virginia ) & am interested in having my car TAC'd. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony McNulty" To: ; Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] D. Barkers comments on TAC >I agree to the value of TACing a car. How does one do this on the East > Coast? Mine's pulled apart and close to a rotisserie media blasting job. > > Tony McNulty > > B382001321 (original owner) > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rande" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 7:24 PM > Subject: Re: [Tigers] D. Barkers comments on TAC > > >> IMHO, TAC has made a significant contribution to the documentation >> and value of legitimate Tigers. Without it, we probably wouldn't even >> be having this discussion today. Too bad administration of the >> program isn't more aggressive. >> >> I, too, am not currently a TAC inspector, but like Dick, support the TAC >> program. >> As Dick wrote, the sole purpose for inspecting is to determine whether >> the >> Tiger >> under consideration for a certificate did originally travel down the >> Jensen >> assembly line with the goal of being finished as a Sunbeam Tiger. The TAC >> Committee >> inspects Tigers solely for the owner of the car, and solely by invitation >> by >> the owner. The TAC Committee does not initiate any inspections on their >> own. >> They have to be invited by the car's owner, otherwise the process doesn't >> begin. >> This explains why the the TAC Committee may not seem to be more >> aggressive >> with >> their inspections, to some folks. >> _______________________________________________ >> bamcnulty at optonline.net >> >> Tigers at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > _______________________________________________ > max348 at comcast.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From Sjhcobra1 at cs.com Mon Sep 17 18:36:04 2007 From: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Sjhcobra1 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:36:04 EDT Subject: [Tigers] D. Barkers comments on TAC Message-ID: Anyone else that's interested in having a Tiger TAC'ed please contact me offline and I'll put you in touch with someone in your approximate geographic area that can help you. Daytona Beach, Florida in early October is beautiful and a nice ride from Virginia. Come see us and we'll help you get your car inspected. Steve Halbrook From deiland1 at elp.rr.com Mon Sep 17 19:01:07 2007 From: deiland1 at elp.rr.com (Dan Eiland) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:01:07 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Need to find a company to pick up car and bring to me Message-ID: <000901c7f98f$66390180$2c11f218@elp.rr.com> I'm looking at purchasing a car in the Burbank, CA area and bringing it to El Paso, TX. This is a 12 hour drive and I suspect the car will make the drive but I don't know the car well enough to just get in and take it for a long hall. I was wondering if anyone knows of a company that could transport a car from CA to TX that won't cost me a ton of money. Also, does anyone know a company in the Burbank area that could inspect the car for me so I would know if its condition is what the owner says it is? This is an Italian car if it makes a difference. Prefer a place that knows Alfa Romeos. TIA, Dan Eiland El Paso, Texas From gammaman at mokancomm.net Mon Sep 17 19:05:45 2007 From: gammaman at mokancomm.net (Richard Bruner) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:05:45 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Autolite 2 Barrel Main Jets Message-ID: <00ec01c7f990$0b3cf6a0$6501a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> I've been trying to locate main jets for the Autolite, but with no luck. I've read that Holley main jets will physically fit, but that the size numbers may not correspond to the originals. Does anyone know where I can get correct jets? Richard From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Mon Sep 17 20:45:31 2007 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:45:31 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] convertible top questions Message-ID: It's me again. I haven't sent anything to the Tiger list in over a year as I've been preoccupied with restoring a bug-eyed Sprite (which is now done and for sale). I have a question about the proper location for the Retainer-Centre (part no. 2220845 and 383 on Plate D - Section YX of the Factory Parts Manual) which holds the top to the rear of the cockpit. Is it supposed to be mounted flush with the rear deck, or about 1/4 inch lower to accommodate the metal cover? (Obviously I have a Mark I.) Also, where is the video that show how to stow the top? I know I've seen it, but I must have failed to bookmark it. Thanks. James E. Pickard Lafayette. LA B9473298 From mrlau at charter.net Mon Sep 17 20:56:42 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:56:42 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Autolite 2 Barrel Main Jets Message-ID: <20070918025836.KRIV14098.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> Solder it shut and drill it on a lathe to suit your needs and you can have any size you want. -- Bill -- I've been trying to locate main jets for the Autolite, but with no luck. I've read that Holley main jets will physically fit, but that the size numbers may not correspond to the originals. Does anyone know where I can get correct jets? Richard From rcsphx at qwest.net Mon Sep 17 21:08:07 2007 From: rcsphx at qwest.net (Richard) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:08:07 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] speedo gear lube Message-ID: <000601c7f9a1$24494160$6501a8c0@D4TDG641> Just removed the speedo cable from the stock trans on my '67 MKII to my surprise no fluid came out of the opening in the tail housing. Is this the normal condition. The car had been sitting for a couple of days. Does the fluid drain down and is the speedo gear splash lubricated. Just wanted to know before I get it all back together?? Thanks From CMcCann at lwpb.com Fri Sep 14 09:25:30 2007 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:25:30 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam on eBay, Im done.... Message-ID: I guess I want to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, so I sent him this email. I think I got pretty close, although most of you guys know more about it than I do. -------------------------------------- Jesse, I think I have some information that can help you. By the sound of your knowledge on other cars, you may be familiar with the Shelby Cobra and its original "donor vehicle" for lack of a better term, the AC Bristol. Bristols were small displacement English cars that Carroll Shelby placed American drive trains into, along with chassis and suspension modifications. This would be like buying an AC Bristol and putting Cobra stuff on it and calling it a Cobra. Your car was originally a Series V Alpine with a 4 cylinder engine. It likely had a vin with the numbers "B395..." at the start. Its a series V Alpine due to it's square cornered doors and hood and it's unleaded body seams. The alternative in earlier models was rounded corners in these locations. It's not uncommon at all to see people take a Sunbeam Tiger that has been wrecked or rusted beyond repair in order to " rebody" the Tiger. This involves usually taking all the Tiger specific components, such as engine, transmission, rear end and in a well executed clone, the sheet metal differences which I had stated in a previous email as inner fenders at the engine bay, firewall pocket, transmission tunnel, exhaust through-frame cut outs in the x bracing below, and some bracketry in the trunk area..... among others. These are some of the obvious differences but there are dozens more very small ones. The vin tag from the donor Tiger was transferred on to the cowling. its probably pop riveted on the passenger side. There was a distinct difference in the look of English pop rivets over American ones so that would be a dead giveaway. When Tiger components are put on an Alpine to make it look like a Tiger, they are generally referred to as Algers. They have some value to some people, especially anyone who wants people to think he has a Tiger but can afford to buy one. I do believe you could sell your car and possibly get 3-6 thousand dollars for it, but I would be surprised if it brought more than that. Although is obvious to me it it not your intent to scam anyone, it is a misrepresentation of the truth in either case. The differences between a Tiger and an Alpine are so complex and detailed, that clones can always be spotted. It's nearly impossible to incorporate all the differences. There is a committee for Tiger owners that was created for the sole purpose of debunking the fakes. It's an authenticity committee, and they know exactly what to look for. Tiger owners usually take their cars to this committee to get them certified for authentication. The whole reason behind this is obviously to maintain the value of the real car. The argument is this for example: If you have a fastback mustang and you clone a GT350, you discredit the owners of real GT 350's making their cars less valuable, or allowing the general perception of the true car to be compromised of its rarity. Bottom line is that you certainly wont sell it for what your asking. If you restart the bidding at 2500, and call it what it is, you might get your money back. I have attached a pdf of differences for your use. Good luck, Hope it all works out for you. Cullen (Hardrockchicken on eBay) Response to Question about Other Makes : Sunbeam Do not respond to the sender if this message requests that you complete the transaction outside of eBay. This type of offer is against eBay policy, may be fraudulent, and is not covered by buyer protection programs. Learn more . Dear hardrockchicken, hard rock it would be greatly apreciated if you could help us with the differences. any help for trying to figure out what this car is would help. Their has been a lot of people that are trying to help with this and offering advice but as you say their are a lot of people discrediting it and flaming it prety hard as well as us saying that we are being fradulent if we sell the car as it was sold to us and previous owners. As stated before we are neither at this point claming it as a tiger or dening it is a tiger. We were trying to sell this car to the sunbeam family instead of letting someone chop the car up and tub it for a race car. we as a family have mustangs, novas, corvettes a lot of other cars so we are not trying to hurt anyone. thanks jesse - dabod84 Respond Now Responses will not include your email address. From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 00:46:21 2007 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:46:21 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] tiger email list Message-ID: my email for the tigers list; michael.s.king at gmail.com -- Regards Michael King From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Sep 18 07:33:17 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:33:17 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam on eBay, Im done.... Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609DFE@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> I sent a couple of questions (and list subscription information) to the guy that have gone unanswered. A heavy-handed approach would be to contact eBay and report the auction as a fraud, but it may be the only way to prevent the prospective bidders from ending up with a car they didn't bargain for. He's "not claiming it is or is not a Tiger" but that's only in the Q&A section of the listing, not in any other part of the description. However, given that eBay itself offers fraud protection, maybe it's best to let it go on the assumption that the buyer knows what they're getting, and if not they can go back to eBay (who will then presumably take it out on Jesse) Theo From un-cole-a at juno.com Tue Sep 18 08:05:38 2007 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:05:38 GMT Subject: [Tigers] D. Barkers comments on TAC Message-ID: <20070918.100538.6573.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> I agree also with the TAC program but I also feel it should be pursued more aggressively. If we are really worried about people making fake Tigers then we should do what ever we can to stop it. And TACing every Tiger we can will help in that quest. I recently emailed one of the TAC inspectors, I will withhold his name for now, and requested info on how I could get my Tiger TACed before I start my restoration and have not received any reply at this time. I sent this email a week ago!! If we are serious about TACing then the inspectors, and us owners, need to make TACing a major priority at shows and get togethers. Don't read this email as it was coming from a disgruntled Tiger owner, that is not the point, the point is we need to step up to the plate, all of us, and stop the faking of Tigers and the one way to do that is to TAC. Tim B9470149 From mrlau at charter.net Tue Sep 18 08:37:17 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:37:17 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam on eBay, Im done.... Message-ID: <20070918143911.JUCD23773.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> Theo, That would not be heavy handed. If it isn't a real Tiger, who has to be the one who gets it last. If he bought it "unaware" it is his problem because he is no longer unaware and should have done his homework as we all have to when we buy something. Caveat Emptor as they say which we all know means buyer beware. Since we are all aware of it now, it is our responsibility to keep him from "passing it on" which is basically fraud now. This country is in too much of a PC mode and we all need a dose of truth. When we as Americans see any kind of fraud, intentional or not, it is ours to give voice. This fellow has gotten so many Emails from the guys here that he is beyond doubt now. When I had an Alger and it was in car shows I never had letters on it because I didn't have nice ones. People came to me all the time and told me it wasn't a Tiger (which of course I knew and wasn't trying to impart) so I find it hard to believe that someone doesn't know about whether theirs is real or not in a very short time. -- Bill -- I sent a couple of questions (and list subscription information) to the guy that have gone unanswered. A heavy-handed approach would be to contact eBay and report the auction as a fraud, but it may be the only way to prevent the prospective bidders from ending up with a car they didn't bargain for. He's "not claiming it is or is not a Tiger" but that's only in the Q&A section of the listing, not in any other part of the description. However, given that eBay itself offers fraud protection, maybe it's best to let it go on the assumption that the buyer knows what they're getting, and if not they can go back to eBay (who will then presumably take it out on Jesse) Theo _______________________________________________ From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Sep 18 08:41:47 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:41:47 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] D. Barkers comments on TAC Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609DFF@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Currently TAC is a volunteer program, and I know several TAC inspectors that have gone significantly out of their way in order to help out a current or prospective Tiger owner, and the TAC program has been expanded from California, to the West coast, to the East coast, only through dedicated effort both by the inspectors and the Tiger owners that wanted the program to come to their area. TAC'ing a Tiger requires three inspectors and one of them has to be a senior inspector. It may be that the person you contacted is working behind the scenes to get something organized before getting back to you. Or maybe he's on vacation. Even though email is nearly instantaneous these days, other circumstances may be keeping him from getting back to you. The TAC group has tried to make the program available at as many as possible of the Sunbeam events in the last couple of years, and as a result of that there are currently some 600 TAC'ed Tigers. Mine was done in '99 and it's #357, so over 250 Tigers have been TAC'ed in the last eight years - pretty good effort for such a small group of people, especially considering the increased area of the globe that is being covered. But, because TAC is still contentious with some people, they will not inspect a Tiger if the owner does not specifically request it. There have been many arguments, both online and face to face, about the merits and perceived politics behind TAC, and nobody wants to revisit all that stuff... The mailing list archives chronicle some of the past discussion (search for "TAC wars") if you're interested. Best regards, Theo (not a TAC inspector, but I may throw my hat in the ring when the opportunity arises) From Rollright at aol.com Tue Sep 18 09:19:28 2007 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:19:28 EDT Subject: [Tigers] winshield washer pump Message-ID: Hey there, Where in the Alpine parts list, what section, or the Tiger Supplement is the part number for the Washer Pump ? I looked though 'Body Mountings' and 'Body Fittings' and couldn't find it. In addition, anybody know the actual part number? I ordered one from "Classic" and it doesn't fit. Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From stubrennan at comcast.net Tue Sep 18 09:41:56 2007 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:41:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] winshield washer pump In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c7fa0a$728934c0$6601a8c0@Brennan> Instead of just replacing the marginal old pump, consider this: http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/BrennanWasher/rt-BrennanWasher1.asp I did this to mine a couple years back, and it works great. Stu From un-cole-a at juno.com Tue Sep 18 10:42:04 2007 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:42:04 GMT Subject: [Tigers] D. Barkers comments on TAC Message-ID: <20070918.124204.7734.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Theo I'm not pointing a finger at any one person or organization, remember when you point your finger at someone you have 3 fingers pointing back at you, I just find it funny that with all we know and as far as we have come with identifying authentic Tigers, fakes are still out there. Your comment about the inspector is well taking and I was not passing judgment, I realize that they are volunteers and we all know our time is precious. I am sure all the inspectors are very conscientious and try their best. But it is up to us to make sure these Tigers are TACed and all fakes are identified. Tim B9470149 From cmeinel464 at aol.com Tue Sep 18 10:57:10 2007 From: cmeinel464 at aol.com (cmeinel464 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:57:10 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] winshield washer pump In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C9C82C16A26E2A-F00-5A19@mblk-r38.sysops.aol.com> Jim, I have one in my Tiger and one in my Alpine and they do fit. Perhaps your missing more than the pump. There is a chrome housing that the unit screws into, do you have that?? I'll heck later on the part number. Curt Classic Sunbeam Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Rollright at aol.com To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:19 am Subject: [Tigers] winshield washer pump Hey there, Where in the Alpine parts list, what section, or the Tiger Supplement is the part number for the Washer Pump ? I looked though 'Body Mountings' and 'Body Fittings' and couldn't find it. In addition, anybody know the actual part number? I ordered one from "Classic" and it doesn't fit. Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ cmeinel464 at aol.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From atwittsend at verizon.net Tue Sep 18 10:52:08 2007 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:52:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] D. Barkers comments on TAC References: <20070918.100538.6573.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <003b01c7fa14$407be5e0$0202a8c0@allinthefamily> Tim, I can understand you are doing restoration work and that there could be concern that you might alter some Tiger specific marker. I had taken both sides of my floorpan down to bare metal and then repainted it. Thus, I had the mentioned concerns. It was enhanced by the fact that some on the list had stated that 'I had better get it TAC-ed before those identifiers were gone!' Being that I live in the Mecca of Tigerdom (So. Cal.) I was fortunate to be put on the "TAC on Wheels" program that CAT instituted specifically for non-rollers like my Tiger. Unfortunately the day the volunteers set aside for the work took longer than expected and my TAC was cancelled. The next year I was TAC-ed. While it is an important thing, the work is done by volunteers who must work in three's. I was very grateful that they chose to dedicate a day to the service which included a 80 mile drive (one way) just to TAC my car. In the end the anticipation of waiting a whole extra year is a mote point. I want to encourage you that if your car was a Tiger, then it will still be whenever the opportunity arises to be TAC-ed. Typically most of the larger Tiger related events offer TAC sessions. I recall at one CAT - TAC session a gentleman trailered his marginally appealing Tiger all the way from Phoenix to So. Cal. just for the service. So, rest assure people do work hand in hand to bring about Tigers being TAC-ed. Regards, Tom Witt B9470101 From srwick at hotmail.com Tue Sep 18 11:14:17 2007 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:14:17 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] D. Barkers comments on TAC References: <20070918.100538.6573.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> <003b01c7fa14$407be5e0$0202a8c0@allinthefamily> Message-ID: All this discussion has me thinking I should get mine TAC'd. Does anyone know when and where the next opportunity in the Pacific Northwest would be. I'm in N. Idaho, if it makes a difference. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Witt To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] D. Barkers comments on TAC Tim, I can understand you are doing restoration work and that there could be concern that you might alter some Tiger specific marker. I had taken both sides of my floorpan down to bare metal and then repainted it. Thus, I had the mentioned concerns. It was enhanced by the fact that some on the list had stated that 'I had better get it TAC-ed before those identifiers were gone!' Being that I live in the Mecca of Tigerdom (So. Cal.) I was fortunate to be put on the "TAC on Wheels" program that CAT instituted specifically for non-rollers like my Tiger. Unfortunately the day the volunteers set aside for the work took longer than expected and my TAC was cancelled. The next year I was TAC-ed. While it is an important thing, the work is done by volunteers who must work in three's. I was very grateful that they chose to dedicate a day to the service which included a 80 mile drive (one way) just to TAC my car. In the end the anticipation of waiting a whole extra year is a mote point. I want to encourage you that if your car was a Tiger, then it will still be whenever the opportunity arises to be TAC-ed. Typically most of the larger Tiger related events offer TAC sessions. I recall at one CAT - TAC session a gentleman trailered his marginally appealing Tiger all the way from Phoenix to So. Cal. just for the service. So, rest assure people do work hand in hand to bring about Tigers being TAC-ed. Regards, Tom Witt B9470101 _______________________________________________ srwick at hotmail.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From awtiger at cox.net Tue Sep 18 12:10:47 2007 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:10:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] D. Barkers comments on TAC Message-ID: <11430316.1190139047682.JavaMail.root@eastrmwml23.mgt.cox.net> I, too, would love to have my Tiger TAC'd as I definitely want to protect the breed from the posers. So far, however, I know of no TAC inspectors in Oklahoma or the surrounding area. I would even be interested in becoming a TAC inspector myself but it would do me no good as I understand that you need three people to inspect a car and that you are not allowed to inspect your own car (which I can fully understand). There are relatively few Tiger owners in this part of the country and, because of that, we are at a definite disadvantage when it comes to this service. Actually, there are only two active Tiger owners in the OKC area, of which I am one! So, short of loading up the Tiger and taking it to a far off location on one of the coasts, what are we to do in the central part of the US for TAC inspections? Andy Walker Edmond, OK B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX From Tigerman67 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 18 12:44:37 2007 From: Tigerman67 at hotmail.com (Tigerman) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:44:37 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Need to find a company to pick up car and bring to me References: <000901c7f98f$66390180$2c11f218@elp.rr.com> Message-ID: There was a recent discussion about car transportation on the Tiger list. I don't remember the details, but someone might be able to fill you in. Several good companies were recommended, including passport transportation (now part of FedEx Custom Critical). I was about to use them once, but ended up not shipping the car, so all of my knowledge of them is very second hand, but I heard good things. Quotes vary, but I doubt any of the GOOD companies will be the absolute cheapest. Try to find some of the other recommended companies, and then pick several of them with good reputations and see what kind of quotes you get. A word of warning, unless the car you are buying is a basket case, a cheap car hauler may be a bad investment. Cheap car transportation can lead to car damage, slow pickup, slow delivery, no status on where your car is, etc etc. Not always, but for a classic car, I think I would spend a little more time and money to have a little more piece of mind. Steve > I'm looking at purchasing a car in the Burbank, CA area and bringing it to > El Paso, TX. This is a 12 hour drive and I suspect the car will make the > drive but I don't know the car well enough to just get in and take it for > a > long hall. I was wondering if anyone knows of a company that could > transport > a car from CA to TX that won't cost me a ton of money. Also, does anyone > know a company in the Burbank area that could inspect the car for me so I > would know if its condition is what the owner says it is? This is an > Italian > car if it makes a difference. Prefer a place that knows Alfa Romeos. From Rollright at aol.com Tue Sep 18 12:47:34 2007 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:47:34 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Washer pump Message-ID: Hello, Anybody know the washer pump part number and where in the parts manual i can find it? Haven't had a response on the subject that answers either of these questions. I'd really appreciate an answer, please. Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Tigerman67 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 18 13:05:45 2007 From: Tigerman67 at hotmail.com (Tigerman) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:05:45 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam on eBay, Im done.... References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609DFE@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: I don't think it is heavy handed. Recently Mr Shelby has had someone who is very aggressive in reporting fake Shelby's or misusing the Shelby name (for instance, Cobra clone being listed as a Shelby Cobra that don't have the licensing agreement with Shelby American for instance). So I know it is fairly common to have ads removed ( I haven't heard if there has been any problem with listing a Tiger as a Shelby or not). The only downside is the seller has their eBay ad removed, and they have to relist with the correct information, its not like they loose their ability to list things on eBay. Even if the original intent was not to defraud, there is alot of information now to point out what the vehicle really is, and he should at least have amended his listing to list this new info I have had one or two bad experiences on eBay, and I can tell you, that you should not count on them to resolve it later, you are much better off working with a seller to resolve it yourself if you have a problem. Steve >I sent a couple of questions (and list subscription information) to the > guy that have gone unanswered. A heavy-handed approach would be to > contact eBay and report the auction as a fraud, but it may be the only > way to prevent the prospective bidders from ending up with a car they > didn't bargain for. He's "not claiming it is or is not a Tiger" but > that's only in the Q&A section of the listing, not in any other part of > the description. > > However, given that eBay itself offers fraud protection, maybe it's best > to let it go on the assumption that the buyer knows what they're > getting, and if not they can go back to eBay (who will then presumably > take it out on Jesse) > > Theo From Rollright at aol.com Tue Sep 18 13:10:41 2007 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:10:41 EDT Subject: [Tigers] winshield washer pump Message-ID: You set me on the right path ! In parts manual 6600992 under Special Accessories (as you said) but on page ZU13, they have the washer stuff Screen Washer Kit Control Unit 1201389 is superceded by 1228662.......but where and what is the difference? Seriously, we will probably never know. But, it certainly isn't what was sent me. The sender appears to be surprised also. Thanks for getting back to me and your help. Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From GRMTim at aol.com Tue Sep 18 14:11:14 2007 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:11:14 EDT Subject: [Tigers] D. Barkers comments on TAC Message-ID: Speaking of TAC, I would like to get my car done during the United. I live ten minutes from Daytona, but have our $2007 Challenge event that weekend. I could bring the car over on Thursday or give the TAC inspectors a tour of the Classic Motorsports workshop. Done or not, I was also planning on bringing the car out to the autocross on Sunday and hang out with everyone. What is the official procedure on all this? Are TAC inspecters reading this forum? How long does it take. How and where can it be done at the United? Naturally, I want to write something about the procudere to promote and protect all of those with genuine cars. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From rmebstein at aol.com Tue Sep 18 14:22:42 2007 From: rmebstein at aol.com (rmebstein at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:22:42 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] D. Barkers comments on TAC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C9C848CD4AA530-3C4-6A5D@FWM-M15.sysops.aol.com> Go to http://www.stoa-tigerclub.com/. Click on the link "Authentication." An explanation of TAC history, description?and procedure is given?including the TAC Chairman's name. Yes, there are plenty of TAC inspectors on the Tiger List and some regularly contribute. Rodney ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From sunbeams at sc.rr.com Tue Sep 18 15:59:28 2007 From: sunbeams at sc.rr.com (Eric Gibeaut) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:59:28 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] TAC at the TE/AE United October 5,6,7 References: Message-ID: <003501c7fa3f$2fa89710$6401a8c0@DFBHD491> Come join us at the United this year to be held at Daytona Beach, Florida! There will be a TAC session for Sunbeam Tigers as well as MANY other events. More United info is at http://www.teae.org/united/united27/index27.html See you there-Eric Gibeaut From DJoh797014 at aol.com Tue Sep 18 16:47:56 2007 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:47:56 EDT Subject: [Tigers] speedo gear lube Message-ID: Your trans is filled with 80-90W gear oil, unless you have converted to systhetic. The gear hole is about the same level as the fill plug so not much will leak out. The gear needs very little lube. Its nylon gear into a steel drive. The main concern is the bearing in the speedo head. This relies on lube from the cable. When they seize, the cable twists, and the strips the plastic gear at the end of the cable. Dont just fix the cable and replace the gear without fixing the cause, a seized bearing. You can free the bearing by putting a small drop of oil and working it back and forth until the bearing frees up. This is just a temporary fix. You should have the head rebuilt. Dont use grease as it freezes in the winter and will seize the gear. Use powdered graphite when you free it. Dave Johnson ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Drmoonstone at aol.com Tue Sep 18 19:02:19 2007 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:02:19 EDT Subject: [Tigers] winshield washer pump Message-ID: One of the differences in the pumps is how they pump and the flapper valve assembly. The later version doesn't seems to a sticky gum ball. Moonstone ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Drmoonstone at aol.com Tue Sep 18 19:14:54 2007 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:14:54 EDT Subject: [Tigers] D. Barkers comments on TAC Message-ID: To conceal info or disseminate is the real dilemma. One can argue either side of the question, that making the specifics of what makes a Tiger a Tiger or keeping that info secret leads to fakes. I believe that full knowledge of the info may be a better approach, what do others think? Since usually it is the first time buyer that is most at risk why not provide the info? As technology gets better and time passes better fakes will be seen what then? Moonstone 64 MkI 67 MKIA 67MKII Still need a 65 and 66 LOL ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From GRMTim at aol.com Wed Sep 19 07:34:17 2007 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:34:17 EDT Subject: [Tigers] TAC on Classic Motorsports Tiger project Message-ID: Thank you to all for the nearly instant response on this. I certainly can't say that the TAC staff has been languishing, as I got a responses from several invovled saying that they could do my Tiger either before during or after the event. Must have been the free beer I offered. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Wed Sep 19 09:14:29 2007 From: Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:14:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Top frame alignment Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF076AA4FD@norn32.d30.intra> This is the same problem I had to correct on my car when I installed the new top. Over time the roof shrinks and it deforms the rather flimsy hinges. I had a friend offer me some spares that appeared perfect and when fitted were also bent. To align the rear window edge required a significant amount of bending and straightening. As I recall it required twisting and bending backward after disassembly and removal of the 'spring' as I used heat to facilitate the repair. This was before I documented my repairs with photos and articles. I would suggest that this might be a GREAT thing to document as you repair it. It might be even better if we could get a mint one we could create a template from and produce a Jig to repair these. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak at cox.net From joness at wsu.edu Wed Sep 19 09:40:38 2007 From: joness at wsu.edu (Stephen Jones) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:40:38 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] TAC on Classic Motorsports Tiger project Message-ID: <000001c7fad3$6d736130$405d7986@cahe.ad.wsu.edu> Hey Tim, thanks for including TAC in your magazine's Tiger project. So many of the other mags (Sports Car Market and others) seem to brush off the Alger problem and never mention TAC. Thanks again and speaking for many Tiger folks we look forward to Classic Motorsports' upcoming Tiger series. steve jones B9470867 Message: 12 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:34:17 EDT From: GRMTim at aol.com Subject: [Tigers] TAC on Classic Motorsports Tiger project To: tigers at autox.team.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thank you to all for the nearly instant response on this. I certainly can't say that the TAC staff has been languishing, as I got a responses from several invovled saying that they could do my Tiger either before during or after the event. Must have been the free beer I offered. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From srwick at hotmail.com Wed Sep 19 10:55:27 2007 From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:55:27 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] D. Barkers comments on TAC References: Message-ID: Not knowing all the TAC info myself, I'd just say if some of the Tiger specific stuff would be almost impossible or prohibitively expensive to fake, like rebuilding the frame, I'd let that info out but keep some of the little known but easy to fake details a secret. That way you have something the beginners can look for but still have subtle things a TAC inspector would pick up in the inspection. Hope that makes sense. Steve (in Idaho) ----- Original Message ----- From: Drmoonstone at aol.com To: RMEbstein at aol.com ; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] D. Barkers comments on TAC To conceal info or disseminate is the real dilemma. One can argue either side of the question, that making the specifics of what makes a Tiger a Tiger or keeping that info secret leads to fakes. I believe that full knowledge of the info may be a better approach, what do others think? Since usually it is the first time buyer that is most at risk why not provide the info? As technology gets better and time passes better fakes will be seen what then? Moonstone From rmebstein at aol.com Wed Sep 19 11:08:23 2007 From: rmebstein at aol.com (rmebstein at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:08:23 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] D. Barkers comments on TAC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C9C8F6D23DCDA2-5BC-2357@WEBMAIL-MC11.sysops.aol.com> I'm sure it's not a direct comparison, but the Corvette's restoration and all its secrets are public knowledge and it's a well-known fact that are more 1967 435HP (Tri-power) cars "on the road" today than were made in 1967 by Chevrolet. Keep it a secret. Rodney ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From mrlau at charter.net Wed Sep 19 11:27:54 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:27:54 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] D. Barkers comments on TAC Message-ID: <20070919172948.URQL14098.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> Steve, just the battery box is a giveaway. There is no way that you could take out a battery box from an Alpine and weld it shut like a MkII or put the trap door in like the others and it not be seen, even from the bottom. It has to be welded and while hammer welding can make a piece of metal look smooth on the top and bottom you have to have room for the hammer and dolly and you can't do edges. If the spot welds were removed and the whole piece put in that would be obvious also. There are a lot of other places that have to be "fixed" too but the general public can look at the battery box and easily see that it isn't right. -- Bill -- Not knowing all the TAC info myself, I'd just say if some of the Tiger specific stuff would be almost impossible or prohibitively expensive to fake, like rebuilding the frame, I'd let that info out but keep some of the little known but easy to fake details a secret. That way you have something the beginners can look for but still have subtle things a TAC inspector would pick up in the inspection. Hope that makes sense. Steve (in Idaho) To conceal info or disseminate is the real dilemma. One can argue either side of the question, that making the specifics of what makes a Tiger a Tiger or keeping that info secret leads to fakes. I believe that full knowledge of the info may be a better approach, what do others think? Since usually it is the first time buyer that is most at risk why not provide the info? As technology gets better and time passes better fakes will be seen what then? Moonstone From pete_stanisavljevich at coxtarget.com Wed Sep 19 11:39:45 2007 From: pete_stanisavljevich at coxtarget.com (Peter Stanisavljevich) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:39:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] D. Barkers comments on TAC Message-ID: <1C49C365BAD2E54082C2E7BFD6EE26256B6C72@EX-CL1.coxtarget.com> Reminds me of the old saying, paraphrased "Of 7000 Tigers built, all 10,000 of them are still running" ps ** I'm sure it's not a direct comparison, but the Corvette's restoration and all its secrets are public knowledge and it's a well-known fact that are more 1967 435HP (Tri-power) cars "on the road" today than were made in 1967 by Chevrolet. Keep it a secret. Rodney From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Sep 19 12:06:29 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:06:29 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] D. Barkers comments on TAC Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609E03@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Part of the problem is that there are few elements, taken one by one, that are prohibitively expensive to fake, when you've already got a body stripped to bare metal. The reason that a lot of fakes get identified is because few Alger "artists" duplicate everything done at Jensen, exactly in the way done by the Jensen fabricators. It's also hard to remove things that are present on an Alpine shell and not on a Tiger shell, without leaving a mark. Given all that, though, it's still not in everyone's interest to have a spotter's guide to the Tiger chassis that covers all the details. Parking an Alpine and Tiger (from similar production dates) side by side will show the most obvious differences at a glance: The front inner fender reinforcements, the spare tire mounting in the trunk, and the exhaust hangers and passthroughs are easily differentiated between the two, yet a lot of Algers don't even do these right. Educating the Tiger newbies is necessary to prevent them from making an expensive misstep, but I think that a large proportion of people that are interested in Tigers (or any classic car) would educate themselves prior to making a purchase. There is enough information available on the Web, courtesy of this mailing list, Tigers United, and the club websites, that an interested individual should be aware of the existence of Algers and some of the steps required to establish the authenticity of a Tiger. The most important one would be "Call someone who can help". I think the most obvious trap that a prospective Tiger owner can fall into is to think that the car they're looking at is such a hot deal that they shouldn't tell anyone about it because they'll end up losing out on the car. Newbies may not know that there's a potential problem or even be aware that a Tiger community exists. If that is the case, how do we educate them about that? Regardless of whether there's a surefire method for a buyer to tell what's an Alpine or Tiger, that buyer has to be aware that that method exists, and that is the more difficult piece of knowledge to spread. As an example, I'd be happy to help anyone in the Calgary area check out a Sunbeam that's for sale, and if I thought it was questionable then I know who to go to for more information and a judgment call based on some pictures or other information. That would likely be good enough - it's not really necessary for me, or the buyer, to know exactly what's being looked for, as long as I can get the right information to the right people. But the buyer would have to know to contact me to begin with. Theo From Rollright at aol.com Wed Sep 19 12:47:48 2007 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:47:48 EDT Subject: [Tigers] top frame hinge issues Message-ID: From: "Ronak, TP \(Timothy\)" Subject: [Tigers] Top frame alignment To: _Rollright at aol.com_ (mailto:Rollright at aol.com) This is the same problem I had to correct on my car when I installed the new top. Over time the roof shrinks and it deforms the rather flimsy hinges. I had a friend offer me some spares that appeared perfect and when fitted were also bent. To align the rear window edge required a significant amount of bending and straightening. As I recall it required twisting and bending backward after disassembly and removal of the 'spring' as I used heat to facilitate the repair. This was before I documented my repairs with photos and articles. I would suggest that this might be a GREAT thing to document as you repair it. It might be even better if we could get a mint one we could create a template from and produce a Jig to repair these. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Tim, You hit the nail on the head. Among this winter's projects will be just this procedure. You are right. Probably nearly everybody that has put their top up and down over the last 40 years has these hinges bent. And they have the same gap between the frame and the bottom of the window. A jig to get 'em straight would really be a boon. Imagine some enterprising person with a fixing service one could send the assembly to. Further, there must be a way to reinforce them to eliminate the bending. I'd pay good money for a service like this. It would eliminate the duct tape on long 'wife accompanied' journeys. Really tacky. But you know, I had this problem 30 years ago when I had a new Robbins top put on. I think they fail really quickly. BTW: if anything like this service exists, please let us all know so we can get in line. Thanks, Tim Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Wed Sep 19 13:46:01 2007 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:46:01 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] TAC - y - ness Message-ID: <002401c7faf5$b4ff24e0$6401a8c0@your03667082de> "To conceal info or disseminate is the real dilemma. One can argue either side of the question, that making the specifics of what makes a Tiger a Tiger or keeping that info secret leads to fakes. I believe that full knowledge of the info may be a better approach, what do others think? Since usually it is the first time buyer that is most at risk why not provide the info? As technology gets better and time passes better fakes will be seen what then?" You will never get the full story on the differences between a bona fide Tiger and a Alpine. The info is a closely guarded secret known only to TAC inspectors. It is said revealing the secret of TAC will get your ass branded with a VIN plate containing original rivets. I once suggested that a web site should at least list the major differences that are visible and difficult to duplicate so a buyer has a reasonable chance of getting a "real" Tiger. The response from TAC was that will never be done and I was shunned as a non-believer in TAC. The closest you will ever get to a listing of differences is Norm's web site http://www.rootes1.com/index.asp. Norm at least will list fraudulent Tigers that he has found which no one else will do including the originators of TAC. I "So, short of loading up the Tiger and taking it to a far off location on one of the coasts, what are we to do in the central part of the US for TAC inspections?" Short of holding a United in your backyard, start driving to Daytona! Jeff From Drmoonstone at aol.com Wed Sep 19 15:40:51 2007 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:40:51 EDT Subject: [Tigers] TAC - y - ness Message-ID: Ah, to be one of the anointed ones. They info is out there, you just have to know where to look and have the patience to do it. I do have a TAC'ed car and am not saying the program is bad, but when only a few have the info...well you get the concept. Moonstone Gee I hope this doesn't get me blackballed from the community LOL ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Rollright at aol.com Wed Sep 19 15:43:06 2007 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:43:06 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: winshield washer pump Message-ID: Well, well, well, more trivia for today here is why they changed ! Good ol' Dr. Moonstone Where the hell does he get this stuff. Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Return-path: From: Drmoonstone at aol.com Full-name: Drmoonstone Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:26:56 EDT Subject: Re: [Tigers] winshield washer pump To: Rollright at aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Early pumps used a real rubber bellows that like all British rubber was prone to deterioration. Later pumps changed using silicon flappers and a different pump assembly. Moonstone ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Drmoonstone at aol.com Wed Sep 19 16:48:24 2007 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:48:24 EDT Subject: [Tigers] =?iso-8859-1?q?Fwd=3A=A0_winshield_washer_pump?= Message-ID: >From the three washer pumps I have in front of me that are disassembled...all from Tigers. What's your excuse jack ass? Moonstone ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Drmoonstone at aol.com Wed Sep 19 16:58:48 2007 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:58:48 EDT Subject: [Tigers] =?iso-8859-1?q?Fwd=3A=A0_winshield_washer_pump?= Message-ID: I owe an apology to everyone and especially Jim. Just got some really bad news and I miss read the message. My Bad should have put the LOL at the end, better yet wait till I've got my emotions under control. Please everyone, overlook this one. I feel terrible about the melt down Moonstone (part time jerk) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Wed Sep 19 22:06:42 2007 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:06:42 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Loose tonneau studs Message-ID: Several of the tonneau studs around the rear of the cockpit are loose, as the holes in the sheet metal have worn to too large a size. What are some easy cures? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From jim at island.net Wed Sep 19 22:18:04 2007 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:18:04 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Loose tonneau studs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0e1701c7fb3d$3d634040$0300a8c0@GatewayAMD3500> You can buy studs that have either I think 8-32 or it might be 10-32 threads instead of a screw thread... and put a nut and lockwasher underneath. I had to do that on one.. was fun putting the nut on... :( The ones behind the windshield of my Sprite are like that ( threaded with nut ) ... Yours might be,too Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James E. Pickard Sent: September 19, 2007 9:07 PM To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] Loose tonneau studs Several of the tonneau studs around the rear of the cockpit are loose, as the holes in the sheet metal have worn to too large a size. What are some easy cures? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA _______________________________________________ jim at island.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From tonbren at chariot.net.au Thu Sep 20 02:35:34 2007 From: tonbren at chariot.net.au (tonbren) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:05:34 +0930 Subject: [Tigers] Insurance Message-ID: <008f01c7fb61$396b95e0$0405a8c0@b4t5u1> Hi Listers Whilst it is not Tiger specific it may help others as well. I have just bought a '06 Mustang GT Convertible in Missouri and I am going to drive it to Oakland CA to my shipper, I require temporary insurance, is this possible and who would you recommend. Regards Tony Day Sth Australia This email is intended for named recipient only. The information contained in this message may be confident, or commercially sensitive. If you are not the intended recipient you must not reproduce or distribute any part of the email, disclose it's contents to any other party, or take any action in reliance on it. If you received this email in error, please contact sender immediately. Please delete this message from you computer. All outgoing messages scanned for viruses by Trend Micro PC-cillin. We do not accept any liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted in this email. From arado7 at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 20 04:45:20 2007 From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:45:20 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Loose tonneau studs References: Message-ID: <000c01c7fb73$57de3660$1c29df45@gmircep11juynz> A product called "RivNut" can be used. Installed like a poprivet but is a nut pocket. Harbor Freight carries them with installation tool and instructions. Gary B9472283 Subject: [Tigers] Loose tonneau studs > Several of the tonneau studs around the rear of the cockpit are loose, as > the > holes in the sheet metal have worn to too large a size. What are some > easy > cures? Thanks. > > Jim Pickard > B9473298 ('65 Tiger) > AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) > 2003 Mini Cooper > Lafayette, LA From Fhsloth3 at cs.com Thu Sep 20 08:07:35 2007 From: Fhsloth3 at cs.com (Fhsloth3 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:07:35 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Loose tonneau studs Message-ID: I have also found that a small dab of JB Weld applied to the threads will fill the enlarged hole and never come back out. JB Weld is a two-part epoxy that hardens like steel; it can be drilled and tapped like steel. Just be sure to wipe off any excess while it is still wet. Fred Baum 9470768 From Tigerman67 at hotmail.com Thu Sep 20 10:24:30 2007 From: Tigerman67 at hotmail.com (Tigerman) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:24:30 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Loose tonneau studs References: <000c01c7fb73$57de3660$1c29df45@gmircep11juynz> Message-ID: I recently did the rivnut installation with the Harbor Freight tool. I would recommend getting a spare piece of sheet metal, and practicing a few times (possibly with one of the sizes you aren't going to use for the car), as it was very easy to use too much pressure and rip the threads right out of the rivnut. Too little pressure, and it doesn't seat firmly and will spin in the hole. I wasn't thrilled with my first couple attempts, even though after the first couple of tries, I did manage to get ones in there with enough threads left to work. But I did subsequently purchase some more rivnuts and an alternate tool from 'aircraft spruce' since the rivnuts are popular with the home built aircraft crowd for mounting dashes and stuff. I haven't had time to go out and drill out the current rivnuts I have in there and try this new tool and rivnuts, so it may be no better. You will of course need the replacement style stud that has the threaded shaft and nut (8-32 I believe) as the originals I believe are more like sheetmetal screws. Hope that helps. Steve >A product called "RivNut" can be used. Installed like a poprivet but is a > nut pocket. Harbor Freight carries them with installation tool and > instructions. Gary B9472283 > Subject: [Tigers] Loose tonneau studs > > >> Several of the tonneau studs around the rear of the cockpit are loose, as >> the >> holes in the sheet metal have worn to too large a size. What are some >> easy >> cures? Thanks. From stubrennan at comcast.net Thu Sep 20 13:21:09 2007 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:21:09 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Insurance In-Reply-To: <008f01c7fb61$396b95e0$0405a8c0@b4t5u1> Message-ID: <000001c7fbbb$66c52240$6601a8c0@Brennan> I don't know about the road insurance (My state has screwed up laws on that compared to the rest of the country). But be sure you have adequate coverage for the sea voyage. A Tiger went swimming in the English Channel a few years back. And remember that car carried that tipped on its side coming from Japan last year? Don't let this happen to you! Stu -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+stubrennan=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+stubrennan=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tonbren Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 4:36 AM To: Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Insurance Hi Listers Whilst it is not Tiger specific it may help others as well. I have just bought a '06 Mustang GT Convertible in Missouri and I am going to drive it to Oakland CA to my shipper, I require temporary insurance, is this possible and who would you recommend. Regards Tony Day Sth Australia This email is intended for named recipient only. The information contained in this message may be confident, or commercially sensitive. If you are not the intended recipient you must not reproduce or distribute any part of the email, disclose it's contents to any other party, or take any action in reliance on it. If you received this email in error, please contact sender immediately. Please delete this message from you computer. All outgoing messages scanned for viruses by Trend Micro PC-cillin. We do not accept any liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted in this email. Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From gammaman at mokancomm.net Thu Sep 20 15:25:41 2007 From: gammaman at mokancomm.net (Richard Bruner) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:25:41 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Autolite 2 Barrel Main Jets References: <00ec01c7f990$0b3cf6a0$6501a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> Message-ID: <00c801c7fbcc$cce29510$6501a8c0@yourus67pi6luv> Correct jets are available from Pony Carburetors, Inc., (888) 280-4630, http://www.ponycarburetors.com/ I placed an order on Tuesday, and the parts arrived today. There is a $20 minimum order, but at $8 per jet plus shipping, I don't think you will have any problem making the minimum. I also ordered a choke rod clevis...they seem to have anything you could need. Thanks to Peter Stanisavljevich for the tip. RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Bruner" To: "Tigers at Autox. Team. Net" Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 8:05 PM Subject: [Tigers] Autolite 2 Barrel Main Jets > I've been trying to locate main jets for the Autolite, but with no luck. > I've > read that Holley main jets will physically fit, but that the size numbers > may > not correspond to the originals. Does anyone know where I can get correct > jets? > > Richard > _______________________________________________ > gammaman at mokancomm.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1013 - Release Date: > 9/17/2007 1:29 PM From kneedrag at core.com Thu Sep 20 19:58:03 2007 From: kneedrag at core.com (Mark Rense) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:58:03 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hammertone Paint Message-ID: I went to buy a can of the Hammertone silver gray at Eastwood, they no longer carry the product line. I did a web dive and found two other paint distributors that used to carry it but recently dropped the line as well. Hmmm. Both Rustoleum and Krylon list a "Hammered Appearance" line of paints, does anyone have any experience with these? Are their silvers close enough to the original for our beloved air cleaners? Any idea as to a source for the Hammertone/Hammertite products? Bugz From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Thu Sep 20 20:54:49 2007 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:54:49 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Need a photo Message-ID: <478A2375D23745749D042A2BA75D1D5F@JEPHome> Would someone kindly send me a photo of the metal panels that cover the convertible top when the top is down? I want to see how much of the convertible top shows behind the cover. As I have the only Tiger in my neck of the woods, I never have anything nearby with which to compare. And I never assume the PO did anything correctly. Thanks! Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From sganz at pacbell.net Thu Sep 20 22:24:42 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Loose tonneau studs Message-ID: <388974.85855.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have the Aircraft Spruce Threadsert tool and it is 10x better then the Pop Rivet style which always seem a bit off. They had an assortment with the tool that was hard to find but in the catalog, it has various tools and a bunch of each size of the Threadsert. The threadsert is somthing that has saved me a ton of times when you can't get behind and need a good threaded fastner. Just make sure you check the charts and use the correct sized holes for the thickness of metal. Their is also one other type called the RivNut (as mentioned) which is similar but has some slightly different application then the Threadsert. http://www.gt40s.com/forum/all-gt40/22424-gt40-build-tools.html?highlight=thr eadsert#post198875 If you can see the link you can see some posts I did a while back on another list with the pics. The one thing that I do like about the Threadsert is that it doesnot have a lot sticking over the top where it mounts. HTH Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Tigerman To: Tiger List Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 9:24:30 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Loose tonneau studs I recently did the rivnut installation with the Harbor Freight tool. I would recommend getting a spare piece of sheet metal, and practicing a few times (possibly with one of the sizes you aren't going to use for the car), as it was very easy to use too much pressure and rip the threads right out of the rivnut. Too little pressure, and it doesn't seat firmly and will spin in the hole. I wasn't thrilled with my first couple attempts, even though after the first couple of tries, I did manage to get ones in there with enough threads left to work. But I did subsequently purchase some more rivnuts and an alternate tool from 'aircraft spruce' since the rivnuts are popular with the home built aircraft crowd for mounting dashes and stuff. I haven't had time to go out and drill out the current rivnuts I have in there and try this new tool and rivnuts, so it may be no better. You will of course need the replacement style stud that has the threaded shaft and nut (8-32 I believe) as the originals I believe are more like sheetmetal screws. Hope that helps. Steve >A product called "RivNut" can be used. Installed like a poprivet but is a > nut pocket. Harbor Freight carries them with installation tool and > instructions. Gary B9472283 > Subject: [Tigers] Loose tonneau studs > > >> Several of the tonneau studs around the rear of the cockpit are loose, as >> the >> holes in the sheet metal have worn to too large a size. What are some >> easy >> cures? Thanks. _______________________________________________ sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From laurin212 at yahoo.com Fri Sep 21 14:06:42 2007 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Hammertone Paint In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <435214.89054.qm@web53606.mail.re2.yahoo.com> i used rustoleum hammertone [grey? or silver?] from wal mart on a bead-blasted, acid treated (eastwood product), well primered original air cleaner and it came out fabulous, but i cant vouch for the exact hue as i have never seen an original painted air cleaner with original paint. though i understand the hammertone to be original. i think it came out similar to what i have seen on high dollar restorations so i assume they got the hue correct. peter --- Mark Rense wrote: > I went to buy a can of the Hammertone silver gray at Eastwood, they no > longer carry the product line. I did a web dive and found two other paint > distributors that used to carry it but recently dropped the line as well. > Hmmm. > > Both Rustoleum and Krylon list a "Hammered Appearance" line of paints, does > anyone have any experience with these? Are their silvers close enough to the > original for our beloved air cleaners? Any idea as to a source for the > Hammertone/Hammertite products? > > Bugz Peter Laurinaitis peter.laurinaitis.wg02 at wharton.upenn.edu From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Fri Sep 21 15:09:19 2007 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:09:19 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tommy Bar Wanted Message-ID: <000f01c7fc93$ad5417b0$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Anyone have a extra Tommy Bar for the tool kit thay want to sell? It plugs into the spark plug socket. I need one to complete my tool kit. Jeff From MTaylor at ea.com Fri Sep 21 17:55:50 2007 From: MTaylor at ea.com (Taylor, Matthew) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:55:50 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tommy Bar Wanted In-Reply-To: <000f01c7fc93$ad5417b0$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: I have an extra tommy bar that I will trade for a spark plug socket. I need one of those to complete my tool kit. Matthew -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+mtaylor=ea.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+mtaylor=ea.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Nichols Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 2:09 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tommy Bar Wanted Anyone have a extra Tommy Bar for the tool kit thay want to sell? It plugs into the spark plug socket. I need one to complete my tool kit. Jeff _______________________________________________ mtaylor at ea.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From max348 at comcast.net Sun Sep 23 17:53:33 2007 From: max348 at comcast.net (R Smith) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:53:33 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] wheels, tires, & suspension? Message-ID: <000801c7fe3c$f3ff34b0$9c5a7d18@maxh5p0k3wk247> Hello All, Sorry to beat a dead horse here - but I am planning on purchasing wheels & tires this week and would love to hear if anyone has some advice regarding this. I have pretty much decided on the Panasports ( they look so good ) but can't make my mind up on size. I have ruled out the 13" & 16" sizes and need to make a decision between the 14" & 15". Are there any advantages by going with either? ( Am I correct in assuming that there may be a better selection of tires for the 15" wheels? ) Suspension wise - I DEFINITELY need to replace the shocks & most likely the springs too.I would also like to install new bushings. I have no intention of doing any track time but would enjoy some what of a stiffer/street suspension for all the twisty-mountain roads where I live.If anyone has any recommendations on spring rates & or different type of shocks, I would appreciate that as well. BTW - I have a Jag IRS so leaf-springs are not an option for me, LOL! I understand that there are allot of variables in considering suspension components so if I left anything out just let me know & I'll update. Thank you, Rob Smith From mmichels at socal.rr.com Sun Sep 23 19:00:04 2007 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (Mike Michels) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:00:04 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] wheels, tires, & suspension? References: <000801c7fe3c$f3ff34b0$9c5a7d18@maxh5p0k3wk247> Message-ID: <001d01c7fe46$4072ce20$8a01a8c0@delldimension> Rob, I have the 15 inch panasports, with 195/50 15 Dunlops on the front and 205/55 15 in the back. I like the combination, although 14 inch higher aspect ratio would probably ride a bit better with slightly less steering effort. I think you are correct about tire availability being better for 15 than 14. In addition, this combination on the rear wheels gives about 8 percent larger rear rolling diameter, and therefore a slight overdrive effect compared to the stock 13s, something nice if you have a four speed. America's Tire Company has a very handy plus size calculator on their web site which will give you the differences in rolling diameter, speedo error etc for various fitments. Try: http://www.americastire.com/dtcs/infoTireMath.dos Good luck. From sganz at pacbell.net Sun Sep 23 21:01:14 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] wheels, tires, & suspension? Message-ID: <66873.13935.qm@web82811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was going the same exercise. The 14" tires are only slightly better then the 13". 15 and 16's are better, I think 16's have a bit more selection these days, but still limited depending on tire (all purpose vs track). Has anyone run 205x50x15's on the front and 225x50x15's on the rears with Panasports or other wheels without flares? One thing I did was get the sizes that I think would work and go up to the tire rack and see what brands and styles of tires are available. You can also see the specs of the tires which give a good indication of width and circumfrence to allow comparison of the different tires. Not sure if the Tirerack has the calculator but a good one that works is this one, simple standalone and nicely done http://locost7.info/gearcalc.php Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Mike Michels To: R Smith ; tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:00:04 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] wheels, tires, & suspension? Rob, I have the 15 inch panasports, with 195/50 15 Dunlops on the front and 205/55 15 in the back. I like the combination, although 14 inch higher aspect ratio would probably ride a bit better with slightly less steering effort. I think you are correct about tire availability being better for 15 than 14. In addition, this combination on the rear wheels gives about 8 percent larger rear rolling diameter, and therefore a slight overdrive effect compared to the stock 13s, something nice if you have a four speed. America's Tire Company has a very handy plus size calculator on their web site which will give you the differences in rolling diameter, speedo error etc for various fitments. Try: http://www.americastire.com/dtcs/infoTireMath.dos Good luck. _______________________________________________ sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From tsmit at shaw.ca Sun Sep 23 21:24:42 2007 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:24:42 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] wheels, tires, & suspension? In-Reply-To: <66873.13935.qm@web82811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <66873.13935.qm@web82811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <46F72DFA.8090302@shaw.ca> There is room in the rear for 225's if you get the offset right. I'm pretty sure that the 15" Panasports that Dale Akuszewski offers are designed to do that... in the front you will most likely have to trim the front valence panel to clear the tires. Rolling the fender lips may also be necessary. I'm using 205/45-16's on 7" rims front and rear. The overriding thing was to keep a common size for front and rear. If you don't mind not being able to rotate your tires then the rear can definitely take a significantly larger tire than the front. Theo From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 22:06:54 2007 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:06:54 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] wheels, tires, & suspension? In-Reply-To: <46F72DFA.8090302@shaw.ca> References: <66873.13935.qm@web82811.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46F72DFA.8090302@shaw.ca> Message-ID: I am running 14x6" wheels on both my alpine and tiger. On the Alpine I have Performance Superlites with Falken Azenis semi slicks, 175x60 and on the Tiger i have panasports with 220x50. There are decent tyres for the 14" wheels from pirelli, bridgestone, michelin and the track tyre companies.. i also think that the 14" suit the sunbeams, however 15" can be OK... larger than that and i think it starts to look a little to ricer for my tastes. to see the falkens: http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2951462860054462410INSlHM -- Regards Michael King From Drmoonstone at aol.com Sun Sep 23 22:38:11 2007 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:38:11 EDT Subject: [Tigers] wheels, tires, & suspension? Message-ID: Think 13 inch tires are hard to find then take a look at how much more difficult 14 inch tires are to find. Moonstone ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Rollright at aol.com Mon Sep 24 07:58:09 2007 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:58:09 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 95 Message-ID: Help, Clutch started slipping this weekend and time to fix. Shop manual says pull the engine up "through the top" but I remember people saying that "out through the bottom" may (or may not) be preferable. Would you folks be kind enough to steer me to the appropriate literature or comment on your experiences please. Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From brichards at fineeyes.com Mon Sep 24 09:17:59 2007 From: brichards at fineeyes.com (Bruce) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:17:59 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] convertible top storage Message-ID: <006201c7febe$19a4a390$6400a8c0@D3FDRK91> I seem to remember a link to a video or such that showed how to properly stow a convertible top. Can someone post this, I couldn't find it on the TU website. It sounds like Jim might be having an issue with this. Thanks, Bruce B9470147 -----Original Message----- From: James E. Pickard [mailto:geowiz.sgy at cox.net] Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 9:31 PM To: Bruce Subject: Re: [Tigers] Need a photo Thanks. That helps a great deal. Your top fits lower into the compartment than mine does for some reason. Mine seems to just barely fit. I think the metal strip that holds the top to the rear of the cockpit is mounted too high on mine - it is flush with the rear deck. And I think it keeps the main cover from going all the way back. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce" To: "'James E. Pickard'" Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 10:56 AM Subject: FW: [Tigers] Need a photo > > > Hopefully these are what you were wanting. > > > > Thanks, > > Bruce > B9470147 > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+brichards=fineeyes.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+brichards=fineeyes.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > James E. Pickard > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 9:55 PM > To: Tiger List > Subject: [Tigers] Need a photo > > Would someone kindly send me a photo of the metal panels that cover the > convertible top when the top is down? I want to see how much of the > convertible top shows behind the cover. As I have the only Tiger in my > neck > of the woods, I never have anything nearby with which to compare. And I > never > assume the PO did anything correctly. Thanks! > > Jim Pickard > B9473298 ('65 Tiger) > AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) > 2003 Mini Cooper > Lafayette, LA > _______________________________________________ > brichards at fineeyes.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From mrlau at charter.net Mon Sep 24 10:18:01 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:18:01 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 95 Message-ID: <20070924161956.SKGU14098.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> Jim, Out through the top is fine but you have to make sure you have the headroom. My garage is 9 ft 2 and the come along is attached tight to the ceiling and I have enough room but as I remember, not a whole lot. It has to tip as it comes up which makes it longer. If it goes out the bottom you have to have a way to lift the car high enough to get over the engine. I don't think that the typical boom lift will go high enough. -- Bill -- Help, Clutch started slipping this weekend and time to fix. Shop manual says pull the engine up "through the top" but I remember people saying that "out through the bottom" may (or may not) be preferable. Would you folks be kind enough to steer me to the appropriate literature or comment on your experiences please. Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com /listinfo/tigers From Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Mon Sep 24 13:52:15 2007 From: Timothy.Ronak at crna.akzonobel.com (Ronak, TP (Timothy)) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:52:15 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Rivnut Message-ID: <4913BCB980045E458620578F53F4F9AF077336A7@norn32.d30.intra> Listers, When using this Rivnut tool please note these tips. After using these on vehicles from the late '70s it is fate that eventually they will corrode and this will render them virtually impossible to remove. Further the threads are VERY fragile as they are made of the same materials as the collapsible portion and are likely aluminum. Any steel fastener will react with the aluminum making the virtually impossible to remove in as little as 2 years. 1. I would ensure that you use anti-seize on the threads to minimize the aluminum steel reaction 2. I would abrade the outer surface of the riv-nut and put a small amount of JB Weld or 3M 4040 on it before inserting into the hole and then clamp it in 3. If you do not have the tool you can do it with a long hardened bolt and a washer and a couple of nuts as well. Be sure to lubricate the washer to prevent the nut binding on tightening. Best Regards, Tim Ronak Services Consultant Akzo Nobel Coatings 23961 Via El Rocio Mission Viejo, CA 92691 Bus: 949-305-5393 Fax: 425-955-6268 Cell: 949-289-3357 email: timothy.ronak at crna.akzonobel.com Personal email: timronak at cox.net From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Mon Sep 24 14:49:55 2007 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:49:55 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 95 In-Reply-To: <20070924161956.SKGU14098.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> References: <20070924161956.SKGU14098.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: <000901c7feec$772467c0$64f3c04a@jerry> Jim, I have removed my engine a couple of times, and I think the easiest and safest way is through the bottom - especially if you do it yourself like I did. All I used was a floor jack (2.5 ton type). I made a dolly from 2x4s and 2" casters, approximately 16" x 20". Removing the front crossmember may seem like a big process, but it isn't all that hard - remove the four bolts; remove and cap the brake line; and mark the steering spline before removing it. With the crossmember out of the way, I used the floor jack under the X of the frame and was able to lift the front of the car off of the jack stands. I then lowered the car down so the engine sat on the dolly and removed the engine and tranny mounts, as well as anything else that needs to be removed. I was then able to raise the car off of the engine and pull it forward until the tranny cleared the frame. I think I had another smaller floor jack to support the tailcone. I pulled the engine out through the wheel well. It helps to remove the carb beforehand and then not put it on again until the engine is back in the car. CATS Tech Tips has a good article somewhere about using ropes to help align the crossmember up with the bolt holes once you are at the point of reinstalling the crossmember. This worked for me doing it on my own. Jerry Christopherson #9473187 TAC682 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Lau Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:18 AM To: Tigers at Autox. Team. Net Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 95 Jim, Out through the top is fine but you have to make sure you have the headroom. My garage is 9 ft 2 and the come along is attached tight to the ceiling and I have enough room but as I remember, not a whole lot. It has to tip as it comes up which makes it longer. If it goes out the bottom you have to have a way to lift the car high enough to get over the engine. I don't think that the typical boom lift will go high enough. -- Bill -- Help, Clutch started slipping this weekend and time to fix. Shop manual says pull the engine up "through the top" but I remember people saying that "out through the bottom" may (or may not) be preferable. Would you folks be kind enough to steer me to the appropriate literature or comment on your experiences please. Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com /listinfo/tigers _______________________________________________ jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Sep 24 15:39:00 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:39:00 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Mk 1A Ignition switch Message-ID: As I look at the wiring diagram terminal #2 on the ignition switch has 3 white wires coming from it. Can anyone tell me if these wires are attached with spade connectors or are there rings on the wires that are attached with a nut on a threaded stud? (Or some other method?) Thanks, Mark L. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Sep 24 15:47:13 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:47:13 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Mk 1A Ignition switch Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609E21@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Hi Mark, Don't forget it's a British car. It has spade lugs for everything except the really critical connections that are in all the places where they'll collect moisture and dirt. They use Lucar (bullet) connectors for those because they're more likely to fail and they trap moisture better. The ignition switch has spade lugs on the back. If the female parts that are plugged onto it (specifically the brown and white circuits) get loose and/or dirty, then they can heat up the switch to the point where the plastic softens and then your switch won't work properly anymore. Theo From tbrown at midcoast.com Mon Sep 24 16:13:00 2007 From: tbrown at midcoast.com (Theodore Brown) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:13:00 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] wheels, tires, & suspension? Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20070924174802.00ecd390@midcoast.com> Rob: I have 14-inch Panasports mounted with 6-inch rims on the front and 7-inch on the rear. Dunlop 185/60 in front and 195/60 on the rear. These come pretty close to the rolling diameter of the original tires, so the speedo is reasonably accurate. I pondered the same situation when I made my decision and went with the 14's because I thought they gave a more classic look (important when you're my age!) Some Tigers were fitted with 14's back in the day on after-market wheels, but I never heard of any with anything bigger than that. The other consideration is what kind of performance you are looking for. Larger diameters will probably provide a larger selection of higher performance tires (not so important at my age!) You can see what the 14's look like on my car at http://collectiblecars.nytimes.com/View_Listing.asp?ListingID=COL609221 Cheers, Tod B382002384LRXFE From max348 at comcast.net Mon Sep 24 18:51:54 2007 From: max348 at comcast.net (R Smith) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:51:54 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] wheels, tires, & suspension? References: <000801c7fe3c$f3ff34b0$9c5a7d18@maxh5p0k3wk247> Message-ID: <008a01c7ff0e$44ed35d0$9c5a7d18@maxh5p0k3wk247> Thank you everyone for the advice, I've decided to go with the 15's & am in the process of ordering them from Dale's restorations. Right now there's some figuring being done ( not by me, LOL! ) with regards to the correct back-spacing with the Jag IRS. The Koni's seem like the best choice available far as the shocks go, but OUCH! They are definitely EXPENSIVE - but I'm sure their well worth it. With ALL the work ( money ) still needed to get the car into a some-what respectable shape, I think I'm just going to go with the KYB's I found at Classic Sunbeam for $47 a piece. I can always opt for the better ones once everything else is squared away - interior, body, paint, etc... Thanks again, Rob Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "R Smith" To: Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:53 PM Subject: [Tigers] wheels, tires, & suspension? > Hello All, > > Sorry to beat a dead horse here - but I am planning on purchasing wheels & > tires this week and would love to hear if anyone has some advice regarding > this. I have pretty much decided on the Panasports ( they look so good ) > but > can't make my mind up on size. I have ruled out the 13" & 16" sizes and > need > to make a decision between the 14" & 15". Are there any advantages by > going > with either? ( Am I correct in assuming that there may be a better > selection > of tires for the 15" wheels? ) > > Suspension wise - I DEFINITELY need to replace the shocks & most likely > the > springs too.I would also like to install new bushings. I have no intention > of > doing any track time but would enjoy some what of a stiffer/street > suspension > for all the twisty-mountain roads where I live.If anyone has any > recommendations on spring rates & or different type of shocks, I would > appreciate that as well. BTW - I have a Jag IRS so leaf-springs are not an > option for me, LOL! > > I understand that there are allot of variables in considering suspension > components so if I left anything out just let me know & I'll update. > > Thank you, > > Rob Smith From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Mon Sep 24 20:33:24 2007 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:33:24 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] convertible top storage In-Reply-To: <006201c7febe$19a4a390$6400a8c0@D3FDRK91> Message-ID: <000901c7ff1c$739cede0$6500a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> Listers, I did the video and had it on my web site. When I moved from Oregon to California I took the site down. I have a small video 1.5MB with low resolution and large video 40MB with very high resolution. Tell me where to post it and I will so everyone can view the movie it is in .wmv format (Windows Media Video). -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+ross_hulse=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+ross_hulse=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:18 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] convertible top storage I seem to remember a link to a video or such that showed how to properly stow a convertible top. Can someone post this, I couldn't find it on the TU website. It sounds like Jim might be having an issue with this. From DWheeler at dopplegangers.net Mon Sep 24 23:22:45 2007 From: DWheeler at dopplegangers.net (Don Wheeler) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 00:22:45 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Wheel hub Message-ID: All, My steering wheel is falling apart, and I have a Nardi wheel but need a hub kit. Does anyone know just what I am looking for in a hub kit while I start saving my money for another wheel? Thanks in advance From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Tue Sep 25 00:13:40 2007 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:13:40 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Wheel hub In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000d01c7ff3b$386c3f40$6500a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> Don, The Nardi wheel does not have a hub that will fit the Sunbeam splines. I used a Mota Lita Hub and machined an adapter for the Nardi. Power coated it crinkle black and it looks like it was made for the car. Oh, I don't access to a mill or lathe anymore so mine is not for sale. :) If you have the wood bits from your original wheel it can be restored. There was a guy online that restores Tiger Wheels but I have lost his contact info. Does anybody have that? Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse All, My steering wheel is falling apart, and I have a Nardi wheel but need a hub kit. Does anyone know just what I am looking for in a hub kit while I start saving my money for another wheel? From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net Tue Sep 25 08:12:46 2007 From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:12:46 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] wheels, tires, & suspension? In-Reply-To: <008a01c7ff0e$44ed35d0$9c5a7d18@maxh5p0k3wk247> References: <000801c7fe3c$f3ff34b0$9c5a7d18@maxh5p0k3wk247> <008a01c7ff0e$44ed35d0$9c5a7d18@maxh5p0k3wk247> Message-ID: <46F9175E.1010907@cox.net> Rob: Missed your first reference--sorry! So, what's this about the Jag IRS?? My tiger had an E-type IRS installed by the P.O. back in the '70's and while the car is no longer in my, ahh, stable, I'd thought there were only about 3 in the country with this setup, so I'm curious about yours. History? Info? Pictures??? Best Regards David Sosna Miata owner and lurker R Smith wrote: > Thank you everyone for the advice, > > I've decided to go with the 15's & am in the process of ordering them from > Dale's restorations. Right now there's some figuring being done ( not by me, > LOL! ) with regards to the correct back-spacing with the Jag IRS. From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Sep 25 08:22:07 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:22:07 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] wheels, tires, & suspension? Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609E27@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Back when I was looking for a Tiger (this would have been in '93-'94) there was a Tiger with a Jag IRS and side pipes up for sale in the Edmonton area. I don't remember any other details about the car. I'm guessing that the Jag IRS is probably the most common IRS conversion done on Tigers and there are (were) probably more than three... Rootes themselves considered, but rejected, the IRS idea based on cost. Did they ever make a prototype (for which appropriate documentation exists)? Best regards, Theo From CMcCann at lwpb.com Tue Sep 25 09:27:46 2007 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:27:46 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] wheels, tires, & suspension? In-Reply-To: <46F9175E.1010907@cox.net> References: <000801c7fe3c$f3ff34b0$9c5a7d18@maxh5p0k3wk247><008a01c7ff0e$44ed35d0$9c5a7d18@maxh5p0k3wk247> <46F9175E.1010907@cox.net> Message-ID: Rob...Me too. I missed that you were running an IRS, this really caught my attention. I have an early Jag IRS sitting on the floor next to my Tiger, working towards installing it. I've seen it done before but don't really have any pics of how others have approached it. My Tiger didn't come with the original drive train, so restoring it or putting it back all original isn't that important to me. It appears that the jag will have to be narrowed significantly, which I see done often, but mounting the assembly, where the logical place for bracing and cross members should be, etc....is of paramount interest to me as well. Any info or pics would be greatly appreciated. Cullen McCann B382001452 LROFE Subject: Re: [Tigers] wheels, tires, & suspension? Rob: Missed your first reference--sorry! So, what's this about the Jag IRS?? My tiger had an E-type IRS installed by the P.O. back in the '70's and while the car is no longer in my, ahh, stable, I'd thought there were only about 3 in the country with this setup, so I'm curious about yours. History? Info? Pictures??? Best Regards David Sosna Miata owner and lurker R Smith wrote: > Thank you everyone for the advice, > > I've decided to go with the 15's & am in the process of ordering them > from Dale's restorations. Right now there's some figuring being done ( > not by me, LOL! ) with regards to the correct back-spacing with the Jag IRS. From Fhsloth3 at cs.com Tue Sep 25 10:36:47 2007 From: Fhsloth3 at cs.com (Fhsloth3 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:36:47 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Wheel hub Message-ID: Hubs are hard to find and expensive when you do find one. I have a Moto-Lita hub that I reworked to accept a Le Carra wheel. There is an article in the May, 2007 issue of the Rootes Review, the newsletter of TE/AE, by Joe Parlanti about restoring your steering wheel. The following issue has the conclusion of the article and deals with the hub and horn ring. Fred Baum 9470768 Editor, the Rootes Review TE/AE From TIGEROOTES at aol.com Tue Sep 25 10:56:07 2007 From: TIGEROOTES at aol.com (TIGEROOTES at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:56:07 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine removal Message-ID: Jim, In my opinion you want to drop the engine down. As another mentioned, you need a very tall engine hoist and ceiling height to pull it upward, plus, its hard not to scuff the paint in the engine bay. To drop the engine, you need to disconnect the exhaust system and remove the right side exhaust manifold or header, but the other one can stay on the engine. Working together, Larry Atkisson and I have done this job dozens of times and our fastest engine/transmission removal was 90 minutes. Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From max348 at comcast.net Tue Sep 25 11:17:45 2007 From: max348 at comcast.net (R Smith) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:17:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Jag IRS Message-ID: <001d01c7ff97$fdcf3bf0$9c5a7d18@maxh5p0k3wk247> For those who are interested, I believe the differential is from an early model XKE based on the distance between the wheel flanges - 531/4". Unfortunately I have little information regarding the install, where it was done, by who, additional parts, shims, etc... Sadly the PO was deceased & I obtained the car through an estate sale so I didn't have an opportunity to find out what he knew regarding the install. History wise - looking through some of the paper work included with the sale - receipts, invoices, old volumes of Tiger Tales address labels, I have partially traced the history of the car as far back as 1982 where it was owned by two separate parties in Mi. From there it made it's way to Fl & was owned by two or three different people before I came into procession of it. ( again, this is only supported by what little information I have obtained from the extra stuff included with the purchase ) Anything prior to 1982 escapes me & I really haven't put any effort into finding out more - although it would be interesting. Hopefully - If I EVER get to order my wheels, I'll be installing them some time next week & I'd be happy to post some pictures of the set -up. Feel free to request any specific shots, angles, mounting brackets, etc & I'll try to accommodate everyone the best that I can. I'll be laying under the car supported by jack-stands & may not be able to get the EXACT pictures requested, LOL! Rob From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net Tue Sep 25 11:37:26 2007 From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:37:26 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] wheels, tires, & suspension? In-Reply-To: References: <000801c7fe3c$f3ff34b0$9c5a7d18@maxh5p0k3wk247><008a01c7ff0e$44ed35d0$9c5a7d18@maxh5p0k3wk247> <46F9175E.1010907@cox.net> Message-ID: <46F94756.9060309@cox.net> Cullen: From what I remember, the E-type IRS that was in my car hadn't had to be narrowed. The halfshafts looked unmolested. I was thinking of getting a set of halfshafts from a later sedan (can't remember why) and they were too wide. I remember talking to a company about narrowing them, and seem to recall that the company was concerned about the halfshafts failing if they were shortened. Not sure. They thought it would be stronger to build a pair more-or-less from scratch. Just something to think about. The 'cage' was the problem with my IRS--it restricted how far up into the car the whole enchilada could be mounted, so the rear of the car looked a little jacked-up. But, the cage did provide its own mounting points for the shocks. The cage was attached to the frame rails on the Tiger, similar to the way it was on the original Jag. Was hoping Robs car didn't suffer from the same maladies as mine. What I didn't like were the trailing arms. They moved at 90 degrees to the halfshaft. Something HAD to be binding. I thought an enlarged lower A-arm would be ideal and Rob Beere sells just such a kit for E-type racing that relocates the trailing arm into part of an extended A-arm and gets rid of the rubber bushings. Slick! http://www.rob-beere-racing.co.uk/suspension.html Scroll about halfway down the page and look at the "A-frame rear suspension". Okay, maybe you're not racing the car, but I still think it works better than the stock setup. $3,500 for Beere's rear suspension mods, about the same for that newly designed bolt-in Tiger front suspension and you've got a car that should be pretty nifty! :-) Here's an article on rear-wheel steer and how to overcome it (I like the Beere's mod better, but.....) http://www.jcna.com/library/tech/tech0009.html I get the impression rear-wheel steer is more of a racing problem than a street car problem. I did correspond with Gary Hagopian--really helpful guy at answering my questions! So, Rob--pictures? Best Regards David Cullen McCann wrote: > Rob...Me too. I missed that you were running an IRS, this really caught > my attention. I have an early Jag IRS sitting on the floor next to my > Tiger, working towards installing it. I've seen it done before but don't > really have any pics of how others have approached it. My Tiger didn't > come with the original drive train, so restoring it or putting it back > all original isn't that important to me. It appears that the jag will > have to be narrowed significantly, which I see done often, but mounting > the assembly, where the logical place for bracing and cross members > should be, etc....is of paramount interest to me as well. > > Any info or pics would be greatly appreciated. > > Cullen McCann > B382001452 LROFE From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Sep 25 12:20:21 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:20:21 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] wheels, tires, & suspension? Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609E2C@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Well if he can run 18's on his XKE then I don't feel one iota of guilt about 16" wheels on my Tiger. Saw his picture (http://www.jcna.com/library/tech/images/tech0009c.jpg) and the first thing I thought was "Hey! It's a big Faller Hit-Car" because the wheels are proportioned about the same: http://www.jeugdsentimenten.net/media/2006/09/fallerhitcar1.jpg The HitCar system by Faller was similar to the Hot Wheels and Matchbox plastic track systems, although the cars were slightly smaller at HO scale. Best regards, Theo From tigerfixer at yahoo.com Tue Sep 25 12:32:31 2007 From: tigerfixer at yahoo.com (Bill Martin) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Wheel hub In-Reply-To: <000d01c7ff3b$386c3f40$6500a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> Message-ID: <976797.64568.qm@web52308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hey guys, Nardi does have a hub that fits the sunbeam splines. I sold them untill I ran out. The part # is 1513 and is deeper than the stock hub. I solved this by making the tube nut longer, thus the steering wheel remains adjustable. You will have to move the horn actuation to another location such as the 3rd contact volvo turn signal switch or whatever. The application for the hub is Capri 2 from 1974 or 69/70 Cortina. Bill ____________________________________________________________________________________ Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From GRMTim at aol.com Tue Sep 25 12:37:19 2007 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:37:19 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Wheel hub Message-ID: I can attest that Bill's setup works cool as nuts and looks pretty close to original with a much nicer steering wheel if you can live without a horn button. You will also have to taper the holes in the steering wheel and not use the beauty rim on the Nardi wheel center. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From hokey at oasisol.com Tue Sep 25 13:12:28 2007 From: hokey at oasisol.com (Mike Hokanson) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:12:28 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Front And Rear Suspension Message-ID: <006201c7ffa8$0432b890$2004a8c0@iggy> I see the suspension topic has risen again. There are a few IRS units in Tigers that I've heard of, but haven't seen personally. I've been working on the new front suspension units and I have been sorting out some details concerning an IRS installation as well. I've chosen the Ford 8.8 pieces to use due to availability and parts interchange. I've also heard of a couple Corvette-style installations. Due to my schedule, it looks like I might possibly have some pieces in place sometime late Fall/Winter. I'm planning on coming to Tigers East in Daytona Beach next week, and I'm sure that will provide a good time to exchange ideas and discussion about all of this. I brought a complete Tiger front suspension with me to Tigers United XXX, but won't be bringing one to Daytona (airlines frown upon that stuff, not to mention the size). However, I will bring some photos of past units I've built. Look forward to seeing everyone in Florida, Mike Hokanson From Tigerman67 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 25 15:15:22 2007 From: Tigerman67 at hotmail.com (Tigerman) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:15:22 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine removal References: Message-ID: Jim, One of these days, I am going to have to do this too, so I am curious about the details. Do you start with the car on ramps or jackstands for room to work underneath it? I haven't done it, but assume that the front crossmember and unbolts and drops straight down, are there are other steering/suspension components that you either stay with the crossmember assembly or have to be removed separately before doing this? I also have to assume you have to use an engine hoist to pull up on the engine a bit to allow you to remove the engine mounts or is that not necessary? Can you do this with the hood still attached? Or do you use a jack from underneath to push up to relieve pressure while working on the engine mounts? Once the engine mounts are free, I assume you just lower the engine/tranny to the floor or some sort of dolley and then work on lifting the car so that you can slide it out from underneath. How do you lift the car to accomplish this? Possibly with an engine hoist attached to somewhere safe? Sorry for all the questions, but I could see doing this wrong could result in alot of extra work or damage for the first timer. Thanks, Steve > Jim, > In my opinion you want to drop the engine down. As another > mentioned, > you need a very tall engine hoist and ceiling height to pull it upward, > plus, > its hard not to scuff the paint in the engine bay. > > To drop the engine, you need to disconnect the exhaust system and > remove the right side exhaust manifold or header, but the other one can > stay on > the engine. Working together, Larry Atkisson and I have done this job > dozens of > times and our fastest engine/transmission removal was 90 minutes. > Jim Leach Pacific Tiger Club Seattle From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Tue Sep 25 16:12:22 2007 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:12:22 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 95 References: <20070924161956.SKGU14098.aarprv06.charter.net@aardvark> Message-ID: <000001c7ffc1$260792b0$64f3c04a@jerry> Steve, I sent this message to Jim, maybe it will help you. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 TAC #682 -----Original Message----- From: Jerry [mailto:JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 3:50 PM To: 'William Lau'; 'Tigers at Autox. Team. Net' Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 95 Jim, I have removed my engine a couple of times, and I think the easiest and safest way is through the bottom - especially if you do it yourself like I did. All I used was a floor jack (2.5 ton type). I made a dolly from 2x4s and 2" casters, approximately 16" x 20". Removing the front crossmember may seem like a big process, but it isn't all that hard - remove the four bolts; remove and cap the brake line; and mark the steering spline before removing it. With the crossmember out of the way, I used the floor jack under the X of the frame and was able to lift the front of the car off of the jack stands. I then lowered the car down so the engine sat on the dolly and removed the engine and tranny mounts, as well as anything else that needs to be removed. I was then able to raise the car off of the engine and pull it forward until the tranny cleared the frame. I think I had another smaller floor jack to support the tailcone. I pulled the engine out through the wheel well. It helps to remove the carb beforehand and then not put it on again until the engine is back in the car. CATS Tech Tips has a good article somewhere about using ropes to help align the crossmember up with the bolt holes once you are at the point of reinstalling the crossmember. This worked for me doing it on my own. Jerry Christopherson #9473187 TAC682 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Lau Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:18 AM To: Tigers at Autox. Team. Net Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 95 Jim, Out through the top is fine but you have to make sure you have the headroom. My garage is 9 ft 2 and the come along is attached tight to the ceiling and I have enough room but as I remember, not a whole lot. It has to tip as it comes up which makes it longer. If it goes out the bottom you have to have a way to lift the car high enough to get over the engine. I don't think that the typical boom lift will go high enough. -- Bill -- Help, Clutch started slipping this weekend and time to fix. Shop manual says pull the engine up "through the top" but I remember people saying that "out through the bottom" may (or may not) be preferable. Would you folks be kind enough to steer me to the appropriate literature or comment on your experiences please. Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com /listinfo/tigers _______________________________________________ jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From Sjhcobra1 at cs.com Tue Sep 25 18:15:16 2007 From: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Sjhcobra1 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:15:16 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Wheel hub Message-ID: <5F29B6F0.3225EE1A.028BE4CD@cs.com> For those of you that are attending the Tigers East/ Alpines East United XXVII in Daytona Beach, Florida October 5 - 7 Joe Parlanti will be presenting his steering wheel restoration tips in a Tech Session on Sunday afternoon. Hope to see your there! Steve Halbrook United XXVII Host From DJoh797014 at aol.com Tue Sep 25 18:31:48 2007 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:31:48 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine removal Message-ID: Its not hard 1. Put jack stands on the frame in front of the doors. High enough to allow the cross member to be pulled out. The front wheels will be off the ground. 2. Undo the brake lines from the union under the generator. Take car with the brake lines, They can be fragile. 3. Mark and the pull the steering extension from the rack. 4. Remove one cross member bolt from each side. Loosen the other bolts but do not remove. 5. Using a 2x6 or 2x8 across the back of the cross member and a jack, support the rear of the cross member. 6. Remove the final two bolts. The cross member will want to rotate down very quickly which is why you placed the jack and 2x6. 7. Lower the jack and drag the cross member through the drivers wheel well. Or grab the sway bar and pull it' out the front, depending on how high up you are. VERY IMPORTANT Read the CAT, STOA, TEAE tech tips on reinforcing the cross member and DO IT! Also just as important make and install John Logan's Fulcrum Pin Support System. YOUR LIFE MAY DEPEND ON THIS. Next post continues. Dave Johnson. Been there on my back and done it. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From DJoh797014 at aol.com Tue Sep 25 19:09:57 2007 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:09:57 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine removal Message-ID: Part 1 continued On removing the steering extension, You'll have to loosen the column support on the inner fender and loosen the bolts inside the car that hold the column up. This allows you to jimmy the column back. Mark and keep the aluminum spacers that the crossmember bolts go through. There is a front and back and right side up. Mark them if yours are not riveted in place. They are used to adjust the 'rake' and the cross member and lift the engine slightly. If yours are gone, order from SS. Engine removal 1. Undo the exhaust system. I also pulled my stock cast iron headers. 2. Undo the drive shaft. Now's a good time to replace the U-joints and perhaps rebalnce your drive shaft Put a plug in the end of the trans tailstock. Replace the rear end seal if leaking. Use NEW BOLTS putting the driveshaft back. 3. Pull carb and linkage. Undo brake booster lines including the vacuum line. 4. Drain radiator Remove fan shroud, radiator and hoses. Header tank as well. 5. Remove generator and unhook all wiring to engine. 6. Undo wire from solenoid to starter. 7. Undo hoses to heater core. 8. Undo gas line 9. Remove hood. Mark the hood so you don't have to align it. See tech tips on this. 10. Move in your engne crane and attach it to the engine. I used some exhaust manifold bolts to hook the chains to and scrap 2x4 to prevent the hoist chain from scratching anything. 11. Jack the engine just enough to take the weight off the engine mounts. 12. Remove the speedo cable. 13. Remove the shifter and linkage. 14. Put a jack under the trans and jack slightly. Position jack so it can roll forward. 15. Remove the trans mount. Trans is now supported by the jack. The tailstock will still be in the tunnel. 16. Remove the ground strap on the left rear of the engine. 16. Remove the engine mounts. Engine is now supported by the crane. Don't get under it. 17. You may have to lift the engine about 30 degrees, but slide the engine forward into where the radiator was, until the trans tailstock clears. Lower the trans jack. 18. Roll the engine back while the trans rolls backwards on the jack. You'll regret not having plugged the trans tailstock, 19. Lower engine unto the floor. 20. Remove the engine crane. 21. Get some guys and pick up the front end and roll the car backwards on the rear wheels. Place on some jackstands. 22. Remove the trans and bellhousing. Nows the time to replace the clutch, pressure plate, and resurface the flywheel. ABSOLUTELY MANDATORY Replace the throw out bearing and pilot bearing no matter how new they are. 23. Use crane to put engine on a stand. Took me about 3 hours. I'm sure other listers will correct what I've written. Good luck. Dave ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From DJoh797014 at aol.com Tue Sep 25 20:31:45 2007 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:31:45 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger engine removal Message-ID: Add 1. Remove negative lead to battery before anything else. 2. Remove fan after removing radiator. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From lon at sedona.net Wed Sep 26 12:29:23 2007 From: lon at sedona.net (Lon) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:29:23 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Clutch removal Message-ID: <00fe01c8006b$29954c10$0d01000a@LONW> Currently Tigerless, however, on my first Tiger back in the late sixties, I blew a clutch and had no hoists and such to do the job. As I recall, I unbolted everything, drive shaft to block and lifted the engine forward (floor jack) giving me just enough clearance to drop the trans . . . did I just get lucky on this (aside from not killing myself). At 19 then, fearless and willing to accept challenges I won't today . . . Lon From shutchin at netjets.com Wed Sep 26 12:28:06 2007 From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:28:06 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Clutch removal Message-ID: You could probably do it that way, but it is really just easier to take the whole thing out. Scott Hutchinson Assistant Director of Operations Netjets International Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 ********** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. From Greg.Koss at trw.com Wed Sep 26 12:40:58 2007 From: Greg.Koss at trw.com (Greg Koss) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:40:58 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Clutch removal In-Reply-To: <00fe01c8006b$29954c10$0d01000a@LONW> References: <00fe01c8006b$29954c10$0d01000a@LONW> Message-ID: <46FA6F7B.880C.0076.0@TRW.COM> In college, I replaced the clutch in my driveway, in October, in Michigan, by myself, no floor jack. Used two sunbeam jacks and cinderblocks. Removed linkage, separated bellhousing from tranny and finagled transmission out on my chest. I do remember it being heavier than I expected. Then it was several frustrating hours getting the TO bearing on the shaft, on the arm and bolting the housing and transmission together. Where there's a will (and no money) there's a way!! >>> "Lon" 9/26/2007 2:29 PM >>> Currently Tigerless, however, on my first Tiger back in the late sixties, I blew a clutch and had no hoists and such to do the job. As I recall, I unbolted everything, drive shaft to block and lifted the engine forward (floor jack) giving me just enough clearance to drop the trans . . . did I just get lucky on this (aside from not killing myself). At 19 then, fearless and willing to accept challenges I won't today . . . Lon From bobdixon at frii.com Wed Sep 26 15:22:57 2007 From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:22:57 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Tigers] Mark 1a GT door Message-ID: <33468.192.55.12.36.1190841777.squirrel@users.frii.com> Does anyone have a MK1a passenger door they need to get rid of? I had a little issue with the door being opened way beyond what it was capable of. I just need the shell but I'll take whatever ya got. Thanks, Bob From bobdixon at frii.com Wed Sep 26 17:00:56 2007 From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:00:56 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Tigers] Mark 1a GT door In-Reply-To: <33468.192.55.12.36.1190841777.squirrel@users.frii.com> References: <33468.192.55.12.36.1190841777.squirrel@users.frii.com> Message-ID: <49640.192.55.12.36.1190847656.squirrel@users.frii.com> I forgot, color really doesn't matter. Please let me know how much you would like for the door. I'm in Colorado so shipping could be pricey. > Does anyone have a MK1a passenger door they need to get rid of? I had a > little issue with the door being opened way beyond what it was capable of. > I just need the shell but I'll take whatever ya got. > > Thanks, > Bob From deiland1 at elp.rr.com Wed Sep 26 17:00:36 2007 From: deiland1 at elp.rr.com (Dan Eiland) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:00:36 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Triumph GT6 FS on Ebay Message-ID: <004601c80091$0e8defa0$2c11f218@elp.rr.com> Sorry to bomb the lists with this but if someone on one of the lists I follow is interested in a really nice 1973 GT6, I have one for sale on ebay that will be ending tommorow. Take a look if interested. Dan From geowiz.sgy at cox.net Wed Sep 26 19:44:47 2007 From: geowiz.sgy at cox.net (James E. Pickard) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:44:47 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Straightening the steering wheel Message-ID: I need to rotate the steering shaft about one spindle so it is straight up-and-down when the car is pointed straight. I removed the locking nut and bolt at the lower end, but the shaft doesn't seem to want to move backward to disengage. Do I need to loosen anything else, but is it just a case of needing a bigger hammer? Thanks. Jim Pickard B9473298 ('65 Tiger) AN5L/12109 ('59 Sprite) 2003 Mini Cooper Lafayette, LA From DJoh797014 at aol.com Wed Sep 26 20:01:34 2007 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:01:34 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Straightening the steering wheel Message-ID: Loosen the column support on the left inner fender. Loosen the bracket the holds the colum under the dash inside the car Now the column can be wiggled backwards and the extension off the steering spline.. If you want to just level the wheel Make sure your car is aligned.with the shaft groove straight down. Forget the wheel for now. Adjust the tie rods so the lock to lock is equal left and right. Now simply pull the steering wheel and reinsert level on the shaft. Where are the old fashioned alignment men when you need them? Dave ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From deiland1 at elp.rr.com Wed Sep 26 21:15:13 2007 From: deiland1 at elp.rr.com (Dan Eiland) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:15:13 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] 1962 P1800 FS with 302 & automatic Message-ID: <000701c800b4$a6127580$2c11f218@elp.rr.com> For all those that like Jensen built cars you might want to check this out. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1962-P1800-302-V8-C4-Auto-Volvos-answer-to-Ferrari_W0QQitemZ120166107649QQihZ002QQcategoryZ6472QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Just came across it on ebay by accident. From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 21:21:07 2007 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:21:07 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] convertible top storage In-Reply-To: <000901c7ff1c$739cede0$6500a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> References: <006201c7febe$19a4a390$6400a8c0@D3FDRK91> <000901c7ff1c$739cede0$6500a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> Message-ID: <39a841b0709262021m24ee18bfh8c20a936376bc061@mail.gmail.com> youtube would be good. i'd like to see that too. thanks. (now all i need is a video of how to fit a new top... :) On 9/24/07, Ross wrote: > Listers, > > I did the video and had it on my web site. When I moved from Oregon to > California I took the site down. > > I have a small video 1.5MB with low resolution and large video 40MB with > very high resolution. > > Tell me where to post it and I will so everyone can view the movie it is in > .wmv format (Windows Media Video). > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+ross_hulse=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+ross_hulse=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Bruce > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:18 AM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] convertible top storage > > I seem to remember a link to a video or such that showed how to properly > stow a convertible top. Can someone post this, I couldn't find it on the TU > website. It sounds like Jim might be having an issue with this. > _______________________________________________ > owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From tigerlat70 at comcast.net Wed Sep 26 21:38:13 2007 From: tigerlat70 at comcast.net (Steve Coleman) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:38:13 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Get Smart Movie in 2008 Message-ID: <012c01c800b7$d57c7de0$46cac647@stevesdell> I was listening to a interview with Dwayne "the Rock Johnson on the radio, he is going to be in the new Get Smart Movie in June 08, does any one in LA LA land know about whose Tiger is going to use or Alpine? Just changing subject of how to take out a engine in a Tiger. Here is a link of the actors and a little about it. http://movies.msn.com/movies/movie.aspx?m=2082700& Steve From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Wed Sep 26 21:54:39 2007 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:54:39 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Get Smart Movie in 2008 Message-ID: No Tigers or Alpines are in this Warner Brothers Production. We worked on this movie and I suggested a Tiger but GM was backing the show and wanted all GM vehicles. They used about 8 different Suburban's and 6 Cad DTS's. Sorry Max. A. LEE FESTICH ALAN AUTO GLASS 599 S. BONNYWOOD PL. BURBANK, CA. 91502 818-845-7300 SHOP PHN 818-845-7355 SHOP FAX 818-464-5909 CEL http://alanautoglass.com/ ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Sep 27 09:25:03 2007 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:25:03 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Need parts Message-ID: Does anyone have a decent straight usable bumper? Of the three I have, one is straight enough that I dare send it to the chrome shop. I would prefer something close by or better yet, brought to the United next week where I can pick it up. I also need a washer switch. Thanks. I plan on bringing my unfinished car down to the United event hotel on sunday afternoon, if anyone wants to check it out. I have also invited the TAC crew up to my shop Sunday morning to do a TAC inspection. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From AAAGLASSS at aol.com Thu Sep 27 11:31:36 2007 From: AAAGLASSS at aol.com (AAAGLASSS at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:31:36 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Get Smart Movie in 2008 Message-ID: We are a Glass shop. They changed/broke lots of glass. A. LEE FESTICH ALAN AUTO GLASS 599 S. BONNYWOOD PL. BURBANK, CA. 91502 818-845-7300 PHN 818-845-7355 FAX 818-464-5909 CEL AAAGLASSS at AOL.COM _http://alanautoglass.com/_ (http://alanautoglass.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From jheff123 at msn.com Thu Sep 27 12:44:02 2007 From: jheff123 at msn.com (John Heffron) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:44:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop dimensions Message-ID: Hi Can somebody give me the exact dimensions of a Tiger hardtop? I'm trying to see if I can ship one via Geyhound freight. Thanks in advance John 67 Tiger 67 Big Healey 60 Bugeye From JHef101 at aol.com Thu Sep 27 16:17:12 2007 From: JHef101 at aol.com (JHef101 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:17:12 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop dimensions Message-ID: In a message dated 9/27/2007 2:44:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jheff123 at msn.com writes: Hi Can somebody give me the exact dimensions of a Tiger hardtop? I'm trying to see if I can ship one via Geyhound freight. Thanks in advance John 67 Tiger 67 Big Healey 60 Bugeye John, 4'-6" long, 4'-3" wide, 1'-7" tall measured from my original top. Best, Jeff Hefner B9470028 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From mrlau at charter.net Thu Sep 27 16:17:23 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:17:23 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Hardtop dimensions Message-ID: <20070927221918.EQHO1254.aa04.charter.net@aardvark> Pretty hard to measure without several squares to get exact but I say that it will just fit in a 53X53X19 box with the back being 53 inches and the front about 43. The longest diagonal is 54 1/4 from front top to bottom rear. I am probably with in a half inch or so except the height I had to eyeball. -- Bill -- Hi Can somebody give me the exact dimensions of a Tiger hardtop? I'm trying to see if I can ship one via Geyhound freight. Thanks in advance John 67 Tiger 67 Big Healey 60 Bugeye _______________________________________________ mrlau at charter.net From kneedrag at core.com Thu Sep 27 20:04:41 2007 From: kneedrag at core.com (Mark Rense) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:04:41 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] New Get Smart Movie In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It may be cool to do a new "Get Smart" movie, but if Mel Brooks is not involved, I doubt it will have the same level of sophisticated absurdity the original possessed. Bugz - diehard "Blazing Saddles" fan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Message: 11 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:38:13 -0700 From: "Steve Coleman" Subject: [Tigers] Get Smart Movie in 2008 To: Message-ID: <012c01c800b7$d57c7de0$46cac647 at stevesdell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I was listening to a interview with Dwayne "the Rock Johnson on the radio, he is going to be in the new Get Smart Movie in June 08, does any one in LA LA land know about whose Tiger is going to use or Alpine? Just changing subject of how to take out a engine in a Tiger. Here is a link of the actors and a little about it. http://movies.msn.com/movies/movie.aspx?m=2082700& Steve From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Thu Sep 27 20:09:12 2007 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:09:12 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] convertible top storage In-Reply-To: <39a841b0709262021m24ee18bfh8c20a936376bc061@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000f01c80174$91a03950$6500a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> Listers, I have put the 40Mb high res video on youtube. It is titled "Sunbeam Top Stowage". Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Thu Sep 27 22:24:41 2007 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:24:41 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] convertible top storage In-Reply-To: <000f01c80174$91a03950$6500a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> References: <39a841b0709262021m24ee18bfh8c20a936376bc061@mail.gmail.com> <000f01c80174$91a03950$6500a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> Message-ID: <39a841b0709272124g5d197038t15296abfbc54c77e@mail.gmail.com> thats great. thanks. i also noticed this video of jeremy clarkson's top 100 cars the the tiger (mkii) in 82nd place... http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=27Ce2fxXie4&NR=1 On 9/27/07, Ross wrote: > > > Listers, > > I have put the 40Mb high res video on youtube. > > It is titled "Sunbeam Top Stowage". > > Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse From max348 at comcast.net Fri Sep 28 03:13:17 2007 From: max348 at comcast.net (R Smith) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:13:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] convertible top storage References: <000f01c80174$91a03950$6500a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> Message-ID: <000a01c801af$ceb23830$9c5a7d18@maxh5p0k3wk247> Great video - Thanks... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] convertible top storage > Listers, > > I have put the 40Mb high res video on youtube. > > It is titled "Sunbeam Top Stowage". > > Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse > _______________________________________________ > max348 at comcast.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From pete_stanisavljevich at coxtarget.com Fri Sep 28 06:13:40 2007 From: pete_stanisavljevich at coxtarget.com (Peter Stanisavljevich) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:13:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] New Get Smart Movie Message-ID: <1C49C365BAD2E54082C2E7BFD6EE26256B6CF4@EX-CL1.coxtarget.com> Let's not forget the contribution of Buck Henry. ps -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+pete_stanisavljevich=coxtarget.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+pete_stanisavljevich=coxtarget.com at autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of Mark Rense Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 10:05 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] New Get Smart Movie It may be cool to do a new "Get Smart" movie, but if Mel Brooks is not involved, I doubt it will have the same level of sophisticated absurdity the original possessed. Bugz - diehard "Blazing Saddles" fan From un-cole-a at juno.com Fri Sep 28 09:04:51 2007 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:04:51 GMT Subject: [Tigers] (no subject) Message-ID: <20070928.110451.14886.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> When it comes to patch panels I know Rob Martel has some of the best around. Considering the length of time it takes to get the panels I don't think this is an option. Question being what has other people done and/or what have they bought in the way of patch panels and where did you get them from? I'm going to need both floors, the trunk floor and some quarter repair panels but not sure how much until the car is media blasted. Any suggestion would be appreciated. Tim B9470149 From trippel at peoplepc.com Fri Sep 28 09:34:07 2007 From: trippel at peoplepc.com (trippel at peoplepc.com) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:34:07 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Coronado Race in 1 week Message-ID: <001101c801e5$0361d1a0$99975142@trippel> Two Tigers have been accepted to compete in this year's Coronado Speed Festival which will be held Oct 6-7 on the runways at North Island Naval Air Station in San Diego. CAT will hold a membership meeting Saturday during the lunch break in the Tiger Pits. Any Tiger owners, friends, family, etc. are more than welcome to stop by & visit. You can see Tom Sakai's yellow #65 Tiger or our white #74 Sports Car Forum car up close. Feel free to drop by. Steve Alcala has Corral Passes for anyone who wishes to drive their Tiger to the race. (310) 322-6323. After the Saturday race, many of us will gather at Miguel's in Coronado for Magaritas & dinner. (across the street & a bit north from the Hotel Del) Buck Trippel (who has spent the last month working on Tiger brakes after Monterey) ps "Speed" is about to start airing a special on this year's Monterey Historics. I think it will repeat a couple times this weekend. From sunbeamjohn at msn.com Fri Sep 28 10:01:20 2007 From: sunbeamjohn at msn.com (sunbeam john) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:01:20 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Numbers Message-ID: My Tiger engine block is date coded October 65. Is this a 260, 289 5 bolt or 289 6 bolt? How do I tell what it is? Not sure if I have the correct heads on this car. Where do I find the numbers for the heads and how do they de-code? Thanks, John Cossman sunbeamjohn at msn.com From rpalmerbob at adelphia.net Fri Sep 28 10:20:42 2007 From: rpalmerbob at adelphia.net (Robert Palmer) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:20:42 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000f01c801eb$84a928c0$6401a8c0@tarbaby> John, C5AE-6015E is a '65 289 6-bolt block. Ford stopped production of 260's in '65 and went to the 6-bolt bell housing pattern. Near the oil pan on the front right side of the block there may be a vehicle serial no. All of this and much, much more is in Bob Mannel's book "Mustang & Ford Small Block V8." -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rpalmerbob=adelphia.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rpalmerbob=adelphia.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of sunbeam john Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:01 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Numbers My Tiger engine block is date coded October 65. Is this a 260, 289 5 bolt or 289 6 bolt? How do I tell what it is? Not sure if I have the correct heads on this car. Where do I find the numbers for the heads and how do they de-code? Thanks, John Cossman sunbeamjohn at msn.com _______________________________________________ rpalmerbob at adelphia.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From fastsage at cox.net Sun Sep 30 00:58:00 2007 From: fastsage at cox.net (Steve Sage) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:58:00 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Leaking Question Message-ID: <46FF48F8.2050602@cox.net> My Tiger's tops (hard top and soft top) are rain tight in the worst downpours (not that we have too many of them here in Arizona). I do get a leak into each footwell when driving through heavy rain or, after converting my failed stock windisheld washer pump to an electric pump yesterday, and having fun watching the squirters go through a whole bottle of washer fluid in just a few minutes, and leak a small part of it into the footwells. (I got the tip on the pump conversion from the Tigers United site, although I did mine a bit differently, and it works great now). The leaks on both sides seem to come from the fresh air vent areas above (toward the outside of the car on both sides, if that makes sense), and on the drivers side the drips fall right on the front of the rubber mat in front of the gas pedal. Looking up under the dash I see that there is what looks like forty year old caulk or sealer of some sort (apparently applied and then painted over at the factory) under the air vent intakes. You can see water form there and drip down, but I can't tell exactly where it's coming from. The drain tunnels at the back of the engine compartment cowling above are covered by that sheetmetal so you can't see underneath all the way to the sides. Should I just slop a bunch of new caulk over the ancient caulk that's already there under the dash? Is there a way to safely remove the old, painted over caulk (which is very hard, almost like it's some sort of glue)? I'm concerned that just re-caulking over what's there may trap water in cracks above and lead to rust. I have used clear silicone seal around the base of the windshield squirters and the wiper bases, but that has not stopped the dripping in rain or yesterday (or after washing the car today). I did fix both air vents a couple of years ago (with the kits from SS) and caulked around those from above, but I think I had leaks before and after I did that. Maybe I need to caulk there again. Has anyone else had the same problem, and how did you fix it? Thanks, as usual, in advance. Steve Sage 1966 MK1A From tigerlat70 at comcast.net Sun Sep 30 20:39:42 2007 From: tigerlat70 at comcast.net (Steve Coleman) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:39:42 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Classic Motorsports on news stand" Hollywood sports car article" Message-ID: <00ef01c803d4$5280c520$46cac647@stevesdell> Got the Nov issue it has a real good article about the Hollywood car that Dave Stone owns and Dale Akuszewski of Dale's Restorations who did the restoration of it and Bill Martin who found the car and was doing research and finding articles of it's past. Steve From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Sun Sep 30 22:18:53 2007 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 00:18:53 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] The Opposite of Tiger Engine Removal...Is INSTALLATION! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Listers, Well I finally got my engine back in after 3 years! Has it really been that long? Anyways, if anyone cares, you can find some updated pictures and text on my website at... http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/index.html There are some pictures and text about LizardSkin Ceramic Insulation, painting my engine compartment, etc...I have other pictures and information to add so hopefully within the week I will have some more stuff up. And maybe this inspire someone else to keep plugging away at their project or restoration. Hoping to take a drive in the Spring of 2008, Paul _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now!