From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 10:05:02 2007 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:05:02 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] seat repair parts Message-ID: <39a841b0710010905n7522e510tdae59d6693231c70@mail.gmail.com> hello, i'm in the process of rebuilding my seats (the old style with straps) but i don't have the 5 steel strips per seat which go into the cloth peices and are rivetted to the seat frame. does anyone have any they could sell me? also missing the clips that hold the vinyl stretched to the frame. anyone know a source for these? many thanks. From tbrown at midcoast.com Mon Oct 1 12:13:16 2007 From: tbrown at midcoast.com (Theodore Brown) Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:13:16 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Speedo Cable Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20071001140243.00e75b38@midcoast.com> Hello All: Can someone tell me where the speedo cable comes through the firewall? I am in the process of replacing my speedometer with a rebuilt and noticed that the cable follows a route that does not strike me as kosher. Thanks, Tod B382002384LRXFE From Tigerman67 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 1 12:19:04 2007 From: Tigerman67 at hotmail.com (Tigerman) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:19:04 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] seat repair parts References: <39a841b0710010905n7522e510tdae59d6693231c70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I redid the seats to my mustang recently and the clips used for that application were very generic, probably available at any upholstery shop or online at many places. I know the pliers were called hog ring pliers, so that might imply that the clips are called hog rings? Anyway, hopefully someone can let you know if these seats used clips that were more specific than the general ones I used on my mustang. Steve > hello, > > i'm in the process of rebuilding my seats (the old style with straps) > but i don't have the 5 steel strips per seat which go into the cloth > peices and are rivetted to the seat frame. does anyone have any they > could sell me? > > also missing the clips that hold the vinyl stretched to the frame. > anyone know a source for these? > > many thanks. From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Mon Oct 1 12:39:08 2007 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:39:08 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] seat repair parts In-Reply-To: <39a841b0710010905n7522e510tdae59d6693231c70@mail.gmail.com> References: <39a841b0710010905n7522e510tdae59d6693231c70@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c8045a$5a602fc0$64f3c04a@jerry> Owain, When I did my seats (a number of years ago), I got the straps from Sunbeam Specialties. I did however have to fabricate the hooks at each end from 1/8th inch welding rod. The clips that hold the upholstery on the bottom are not the hog-ring type - they are a small clip type. Maybe SS has them, also. Good luck. Jerry Christopherson 9483187 TAC682 JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Owain Lloyd Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 11:05 AM To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] seat repair parts hello, i'm in the process of rebuilding my seats (the old style with straps) but i don't have the 5 steel strips per seat which go into the cloth peices and are rivetted to the seat frame. does anyone have any they could sell me? also missing the clips that hold the vinyl stretched to the frame. anyone know a source for these? many thanks. _______________________________________________ jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 13:04:40 2007 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:04:40 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] seat repair parts In-Reply-To: <000001c8045a$5a602fc0$64f3c04a@jerry> References: <39a841b0710010905n7522e510tdae59d6693231c70@mail.gmail.com> <000001c8045a$5a602fc0$64f3c04a@jerry> Message-ID: <39a841b0710011204h50f3d8bcnb91986f3f3b0a2c5@mail.gmail.com> no these are not hog ring clips which are generic clips to join fabric. i'm talking about the little clips that hold the fabric the metal lip on the seat frame. i just found SS has these but not the metal strips. i'll try to find some suitable metal to make my own. thanks. On 10/1/07, Jerry wrote: > Owain, > > When I did my seats (a number of years ago), I got the straps from Sunbeam > Specialties. I did however have to fabricate the hooks at each end from > 1/8th inch welding rod. The clips that hold the upholstery on the bottom are > not the hog-ring type - they are a small clip type. Maybe SS has them, also. > Good luck. > > Jerry Christopherson > 9483187 > TAC682 > JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Owain Lloyd > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 11:05 AM > To: Tiger List > Subject: [Tigers] seat repair parts > > hello, > > i'm in the process of rebuilding my seats (the old style with straps) > but i don't have the 5 steel strips per seat which go into the cloth > peices and are rivetted to the seat frame. does anyone have any they > could sell me? > > also missing the clips that hold the vinyl stretched to the frame. > anyone know a source for these? > > many thanks. > _______________________________________________ > jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From bobdixon at frii.com Mon Oct 1 16:58:08 2007 From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 16:58:08 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger story Message-ID: <42985.192.55.12.36.1191279488.squirrel@users.frii.com> I just have to share this. This weekend I began the process of removing, tagging, and bagging parts off of a Mk1a I bought about a year and a half ago. I'm doing a ground up resto. I live in Colorado and I bought this car out of Ohio. I knew this was a Colorado car at somepoint in it's lifetime. I pulled the kickpanel on the drivers side and found an old newspaper stuffed in there. The date was December 15, 1970. Kind of cool. The paper was the 'Longmont Times Call'. I couldn't believe it. I live in Longmont. In 1970 there was probably around 20K people in this little cow town. What are the odds??? Bob From mrlau at charter.net Mon Oct 1 17:08:40 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 18:08:40 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger story Message-ID: <20071001231038.ZIIO23773.aarprv04.charter.net@aardvark> Wait a minute. Were you possibly a control agent that has had his memory erased to protect 86's identity? -- Bill -- I just have to share this. This weekend I began the process of removing, tagging, and bagging parts off of a Mk1a I bought about a year and a half ago. I'm doing a ground up resto. I live in Colorado and I bought this car out of Ohio. I knew this was a Colorado car at somepoint in it's lifetime. I pulled the kickpanel on the drivers side and found an old newspaper stuffed in there. The date was December 15, 1970. Kind of cool. The paper was the 'Longmont Times Call'. I couldn't believe it. I live in Longmont. In 1970 there was probably around 20K people in this little cow town. What are the odds??? Bob _______________________________________________ From shelbycuda at hotmail.com Tue Oct 2 07:49:26 2007 From: shelbycuda at hotmail.com (Dan Kuenzi) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 06:49:26 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Concrete Floor Waterproofing Message-ID: I'm building a new shop and would like to waterproof the concrete floor to eliminate moisture from coming up through the floor. Any suggestions on waterproofing products that can be applied to a newly poured floor (and where to find it)? Thanks, Dan _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Tue Oct 2 07:58:00 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:58:00 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Concrete Floor Waterproofing Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609E48@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> I think that part of that solution lies under the concrete, so you may have to talk to a couple of concrete guys to make sure you get everything done in order. In our new place, I had in-floor heating (via recirculating heated water) installed. IIRC, they put down gravel, plastic vapor barrier, reinforcing mesh, and the heating pipes, in that order, and then poured the floor. After the concrete had cured (I think I left it 30 days or so) I etched the floor with muriatic acid and applied Behr 2-part garage floor epoxy. So far it's proved to be very durable and resistant to pretty much anything I've spilled on it, which includes small amounts of brake fluid. Theo From CMcCann at lwpb.com Tue Oct 2 08:15:15 2007 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:15:15 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Concrete Floor Waterproofing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dan, Theo is right, the first level of moisture protection in a slab occurs with a 6,8 or 10 mil or larger plastic or vinyl membrane installed beneath the slab, prior to the pouring of the concrete. This will keep moisture from wicking up through the slab from the earth below. It obviously forces all the moisture in the concrete to exit towards the top too...which is why you should wait a minimum of 30 days before installing any floor on your slab, whether it be epoxy, vinyl tile, stain or otherwise. 27 days is the industry accepted time needed for a slab to reach 99% cure....but it never fully cures. That last 1 percent takes infinity. If you do have the opportunity to install the moisture barrier beneath the slab, the floor will actually have a tendency to dry slower, because normally some of the moisture of the concrete would escape to below, not its all forced to ext to the top. The 30 day rule should still apply, but the longer you leave it to dry the better. Depending on your budget, you can spend a lot of money on a epoxy floor or a small amount, like anything else. The local hardware stores like Home Depot and Lowes ( what we have here in Oklahoma City) will carry a pretty good epoxy "garage" floor system, not necessarily industrial strength, but pretty good. You can even get it with some flecks to resist the tendency for the floor to look dirty. Eastwood products also carries some epoxy flooring, but you will pay a bit more for it. M. Cullen McCann, Assoc. AIA Project Manager LWPB Architecture 5909 NW Expressway, Suite 600 Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 73132 T 405 722 7270 F 405 722 8373 W www.lwpb.com Subject: [Tigers] Concrete Floor Waterproofing I'm building a new shop and would like to waterproof the concrete floor to eliminate moisture from coming up through the floor. Any suggestions on waterproofing products that can be applied to a newly poured floor (and where to find it)? Thanks, Dan From CoolVT at aol.com Tue Oct 2 08:56:07 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:56:07 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Concrete Floor Waterproofing Message-ID: Do you know of any independent reports that compare the different epoxy products? Thanks, Mark ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net Tue Oct 2 11:40:39 2007 From: sunbeamtiger at prodigy.net (Paul R Sheahan) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tire Change Time Message-ID: <249961.67520.qm@web51011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Tiger Owners, It is time to make a tire change. I have been running the Dunlop 185/70/R13 SP 4N. A little skinny for my taste but in that the car is stock, I wanted to "keep it real". Any suggestions or experiences would be greatly appreciated. Paul Paul R Sheahan From arado7 at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 2 13:36:42 2007 From: arado7 at sbcglobal.net (arado7 at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 15:36:42 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tire Change Time References: <249961.67520.qm@web51011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002c01c8052b$8fb78200$6401a8c0@GMI> I installed Pirelli 185/70/13 two years ago. They perform quite well on my stock Tiger. Kumho has also performed well. Gary B9472283 > Tiger Owners, > It is time to make a tire change. I have been > running the Dunlop 185/70/R13 SP 4N. A little skinny > for my taste but in that the car is stock, I wanted to > "keep it real". > Any suggestions or experiences would be greatly > appreciated. > > Paul From Fhsloth3 at cs.com Tue Oct 2 14:14:16 2007 From: Fhsloth3 at cs.com (Fhsloth3 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 16:14:16 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tire Change Time Message-ID: I have Yokohama Avid Touring on my stock MKI in the same size as you. I think they are a little soft in the side wall in that they make the car feel as if the rear end is going to break loose under hard cornering. Fred Baum 9470768 From laurin212 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 14:27:06 2007 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 13:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] tiger car covers Message-ID: <46606.33544.qm@web53604.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Who knows of a good inexpensive tiger car cover for interior garage use that still fits like a glove? i have a great flannel type one that fits great and snug, but have no idea where it came from, came from former owner. Thks Peter Peter Laurinaitis peter.laurinaitis.wg02 at wharton.upenn.edu From rick.kellett at yahoo.com Tue Oct 2 14:47:12 2007 From: rick.kellett at yahoo.com (rick kellett) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 13:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Paint Codes Request Message-ID: <596352.98065.qm@web34611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Took some parts to the shop to be painted and they wanted to know if I had the paint code, I guess they mean the Du Pont code or whatever. So question is: does anyone know what the paint code is for Rootes code #58 Midnight Blue Rick Kellett Email - rick.kellett at yahoo.com _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From WSuman at aol.com Tue Oct 2 15:00:22 2007 From: WSuman at aol.com (WSuman at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 17:00:22 EDT Subject: [Tigers] concrete waterproofing on floors Message-ID: XYPEX is your best positive pressure side solution and will work best on fresh or green (under 28 days old) concrete. It too has a cure time and may also require added prep work after installation. It becomes integral to the concrete but leaves a surface condition that may not be fully compatible with all coatings. They are based in the Vancouver, BC area but have US distribution. If yours is very well cured and you have moisture drive concerns, tape a 12" square of clear poly on the concrete and check it for a day or more to see if there is condensation. This should be a standard recommendation in any good epoxy kit as well. The superior concrete floor coverings aren't typically much more difficult to install, just more money. Go to a concrete accessories company like White Cap, or other regional variant for advice. Some "systems" do have better waterproofing characteristics with a softer elastomeric base coat and a harder abrasion resistant traffic coat. (Vulkem 450 / 451). Walt Suman Seattle ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From tiger-65 at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 2 19:03:46 2007 From: tiger-65 at sbcglobal.net (Greg) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 18:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Paint Codes Request In-Reply-To: <596352.98065.qm@web34611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <527697.75030.qm@web83816.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi, I'm looking for paint code to help me with #19>> Moonstone white/gray. Or how about some real paint chip colors to match it up. Where can I get it? Thanks for any information. Greg with a 1965 Tiger since 1982 .......... --- rick kellett wrote: > Took some parts to the shop to be painted and they > wanted to know if I had the > paint code, I guess they mean the Du Pont code or > whatever. So question is: > does anyone know what the paint code is for Rootes > code #58 Midnight Blue > Rick Kellett > Email - rick.kellett at yahoo.com > > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From Drmoonstone at aol.com Tue Oct 2 22:04:28 2007 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 00:04:28 EDT Subject: [Tigers] tiger car covers Message-ID: Try Costco. I've used their covers with sucess for years and they don't cost an arm or leg. Moonstone ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Oct 3 01:30:05 2007 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:30:05 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] ebay tiger Message-ID: anyone seen this car in the metal? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Shelby-Tiger-Mk1-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mk1_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6465QQihZ003QQitemZ130159350981QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW#mainImage From chris at cthompson.net Wed Oct 3 04:46:48 2007 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 06:46:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] tiger car covers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47037318.8070008@cthompson.net> As I recall, I got my "fit like a glove" flannel cover from Rick at SS about 10 years ago.... As always, a good idea to check the usual suspects first. Chris Drmoonstone at aol.com wrote: > Try Costco. I've used their covers with sucess for years and they don't cost > an arm or leg. > > Moonstone From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Oct 3 05:31:28 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 07:31:28 EDT Subject: [Tigers] ebay tiger Message-ID: In regard to this ebay Tiger, does anyone know what the "CPI guide" is that they refer to in the ad? Mark ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From parlanti at comcast.net Wed Oct 3 06:16:35 2007 From: parlanti at comcast.net (Joe Parlanti) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:16:35 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] ebay tiger In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000a01c805b7$4b988560$3223150a@JPARLANTIXPLT> Mark, CPI is an acronym for Cars of Particular Interest. It's basically a rendition of the Kelly Blue Book for the types of cars that get people like us excited, and is subscription based. Long ago, I used to get the month old booklets from my Credit Union for free. Here's a link to their site: http://www.blackbookusa.com/cpi.asp Heading to the TE/AE United tomorrow... Joe Parlanti B382000026 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+parlanti=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+parlanti=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of CoolVT at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 7:31 AM To: michael.s.king at gmail.com; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] ebay tiger In regard to this ebay Tiger, does anyone know what the "CPI guide" is that they refer to in the ad? Mark From jaars at emailmv.com Wed Oct 3 06:50:47 2007 From: jaars at emailmv.com (Robert Jaarsma) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:50:47 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Concrete Floor Waterproofing Message-ID: <001401c805bc$08a1c870$266d7dc7@userqlmt4f4s6s> I used Rustoleum 2-part epoxy floor paint,some 3-4 years ago. I drive over it and it lasted so far very well. A much cheaper latex(?) floor paint didn't do the job. Robert From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Wed Oct 3 07:48:54 2007 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 09:48:54 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Paint Codes Request In-Reply-To: <527697.75030.qm@web83816.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <596352.98065.qm@web34611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <527697.75030.qm@web83816.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Greg & Rick, "JumpinJan" on the Sunbeam Alpine website sells paint chips... http://www.saoca.org/protected/forum/index.php According to JumpinJan...There are no Rootes color codes & formulas made for the new paints sold today. The colors look to be shot on old CDs, which should be big enough to for you (or your shop) to take to a paint store and match the color. I bought Arctic & Polar White from him. Also supposedly there is a place in Wisconsin that can help...Tower Paint...a few people on the SAOCA forum have bought paint that was put into spray cans from them. Paul > Hi, I'm looking for paint code to help me with #19>>> Moonstone white/gray.> Or how about some real paint chip colors to match it> up. Where can I get it?> Thanks for any information.> > Greg with a 1965 Tiger since 1982 > > Took some parts to the shop to be painted and they> > wanted to know if I had the> > paint code, I guess they mean the Du Pont code or> > whatever. So question is:> > does anyone know what the paint code is for Rootes> > code #58 Midnight Blue> > Rick Kellett > > Email - rick.kellett at yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Cafi. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLt agline From Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com Wed Oct 3 12:18:07 2007 From: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com (Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:18:07 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Fake Tiger on eBay Message-ID: Michael wrote >anyone seen this car in the metal? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Shelby-Tiger-Mk1-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mk1_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6465QQihZ003QQitemZ130159350981QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW#mainImage I don't think I'm going out on too much of a limb. I think that's a fake Tiger. Or, at least a "rebodied/rechassied" Tiger with an Alpine donor. Jay ====================================================================== Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in and transmitted with this communication is strictly confidential, is intended only for the use of the intended recipient, and is the property of Countrywide Financial Corporation or its affiliates and subsidiaries. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of the information contained in or transmitted with the communication or dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited by law. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately return this communication to the sender and delete the original message and any copy of it in your possession. ====================================================================== From Rollright at aol.com Wed Oct 3 12:35:50 2007 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:35:50 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 105 Message-ID: Hello, First, thanks to so many generous and helpful people regarding my quest to get my clutch sorted out for Tod Brown's Sunbeam meet this weekend. Clutch is in and car works great. Sequence of events 1) finding a clutch. Went to Rick at SS. McLeod branded clutch was in disfavor and not available. Tried local sources: a clutch for WHAT? I tried telling them what Rick told me: a 64 Falcon Sprint. No dice. Centerforce: a clutch for WHAT? Back to Rick. He sourced a stock clutch and had it dispatched. 2) went though all Listed data and Tony the Tiger's advice: go down not up. Highlited the salient bits Organized shop manual and printed sections of Lister's letters. Had Pictures and complete instructions to go low. 3) and you know what? He did it with only removing the Transmission, bell housing etc. Flywheel needed resurfacing: No surprise. The garage complained that everything was coated with oil, 41 years worth of drips. But the mechanic mentioned all bolts came out easy because of this. Transmission had sections of blue paint. Want to spruce that back up .Anybody know a matching modern color? In conclusion, I had planned to restore the engine compartment when the clutch went. But in the rush to get all done before the Down East Get-together, that didn't happen. The best laid plans......... Thanks everyone, Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Wed Oct 3 12:37:47 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:37:47 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Fake Tiger on eBay Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609E4F@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> What's your justification for making that assumption? It's the first eBay Tiger (or clone) I've seen where the VIN indicates it was actually red to start with and it's now something else... At least the underbody grunge and interior paint color matches the original paint code. None of the pictures show enough detail to really make a judgment on its authenticity one way or the other, as far as I can see. The sheetmetal screws and rivets holding the VIN and JAL plates on are incorrect but that in no way proves it's a fake. It just shows that the people doing the bodywork didn't care. The under-the-trunk picture shows that the OEM right side exhaust hanger isn't there, but there isn't enough detail to see if the original one got ripped off or if it was never there. Actually, it says the trunk floor was replaced at some point. So anyone doing an up-close inspection can validate whether the entire Alpine chassis is still attached to the trunk floor ;) It would be a lot of work to fake the battery door / fuel pump door opening in the way that it's shown, as well as the exhaust passthroughs. Theo From Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com Wed Oct 3 12:44:39 2007 From: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com (Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:44:39 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Fake Tiger on eBay In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609E4F@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: You know, you're right. Perhaps it's only the trunk floor that got replaced. I initially noticed the wrong muffler hangers and the missing hole for the spare tire mount - then adding on the missing Tiger trim (which of course could happen to any Tiger once they get tweaked), the rivets, etc., it certainly appeared suspect. Perhaps it was only the trunk floor or rear end. "Smit, Theo" 10/03/2007 11:37 AM To , cc Subject RE: [Tigers] Fake Tiger on eBay What's your justification for making that assumption? It's the first eBay Tiger (or clone) I've seen where the VIN indicates it was actually red to start with and it's now something else... At least the underbody grunge and interior paint color matches the original paint code. None of the pictures show enough detail to really make a judgment on its authenticity one way or the other, as far as I can see. The sheetmetal screws and rivets holding the VIN and JAL plates on are incorrect but that in no way proves it's a fake. It just shows that the people doing the bodywork didn't care. The under-the-trunk picture shows that the OEM right side exhaust hanger isn't there, but there isn't enough detail to see if the original one got ripped off or if it was never there. Actually, it says the trunk floor was replaced at some point. So anyone doing an up-close inspection can validate whether the entire Alpine chassis is still attached to the trunk floor ;) It would be a lot of work to fake the battery door / fuel pump door opening in the way that it's shown, as well as the exhaust passthroughs. Theo ====================================================================== Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in and transmitted with this communication is strictly confidential, is intended only for the use of the intended recipient, and is the property of Countrywide Financial Corporation or its affiliates and subsidiaries. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of the information contained in or transmitted with the communication or dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited by law. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately return this communication to the sender and delete the original message and any copy of it in your possession. ====================================================================== From jimdamelio at cox.net Wed Oct 3 15:12:25 2007 From: jimdamelio at cox.net (Jim D'Amelio) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:12:25 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Fake Tiger on eBay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I had to replace my Tigers trunk floor with one from an Alpine. Welded two exhaust hangers from the Tigers floor onto the Alpines. It passed TAC without a problem. Jim -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jimdamelio=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jimdamelio=cox.net at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 2:18 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fake Tiger on eBay Michael wrote >anyone seen this car in the metal? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Shelby-Tiger-Mk1-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mk1_W0QQcmdZVi ewItemQQcategoryZ6465QQihZ003QQitemZ130159350981QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW#main Image From sunbeamjohn at msn.com Wed Oct 3 15:40:43 2007 From: sunbeamjohn at msn.com (sunbeam john) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 14:40:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Fake Tiger on eBay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That Tiger is not a fake I once own the car. It has however had a bunch of body work done to it. John >From: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com >To: tigers at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fake Tiger on eBay >Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:18:07 -0700 > >Michael wrote > > >anyone seen this car in the metal? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Shelby-Tiger-Mk1-Sunbeam-Tiger-Mk1_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6465QQihZ003QQitemZ130159350981QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW#mainImage > > >I don't think I'm going out on too much of a limb. I think that's a fake >Tiger. Or, at least a "rebodied/rechassied" Tiger with an Alpine donor. > >Jay > >====================================================================== > >Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in and transmitted with >this communication is strictly confidential, is intended only for the use >of the intended recipient, and is the property of Countrywide Financial >Corporation or its affiliates and subsidiaries. If you are not the intended >recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of the information >contained in or transmitted with the communication or dissemination, >distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited by >law. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately >return this communication to the sender and delete the original message and >any copy of it in your possession. > >====================================================================== >_______________________________________________ >sunbeamjohn at msn.com > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From Drmoonstone at aol.com Wed Oct 3 21:30:16 2007 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:30:16 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Paint Codes Request Message-ID: The Tower paint in Moonstone (64 MKI/Original paint) did not match. It was for a different year. Have the co;or computer matched. Moonstone ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From zymmer4 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 4 12:41:40 2007 From: zymmer4 at yahoo.com (Howard gentry) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:41:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] this brg tiger..in austin tx... Message-ID: <109459.39251.qm@web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> hello...this tiger Looks a lot like the one my uncle, Leo Vorholdt,aka "sunny" owned..only his had a 289 cobra tune III kit ..306 hp..how many tigers are there in the austin area that look like a MKII..with a 260 in them??TAC can be fooled. Howard gentry The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From mrlau at charter.net Thu Oct 4 13:21:17 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:21:17 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] this brg tiger..in austin tx... Message-ID: <20071004192312.EBDN1254.aa04.charter.net@aardvark> I am virtually positive TAC can't be fooled because I couldn't be fooled because of the battery box alone and they know a lot more than I do. hello...this tiger Looks a lot like the one my uncle, Leo Vorholdt,aka "sunny" owned..only his had a 289 cobra tune III kit ..306 hp..how many tigers are there in the austin area that look like a MKII..with a 260 in them??TAC can be fooled. Howard gentry The Blues is the only music Original to the United States of America. From un-cole-a at juno.com Thu Oct 4 13:45:28 2007 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:45:28 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger in Hemmings Message-ID: <20071004.154528.3636.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> Has anyone seen this Tiger? http://www.heritageclassics.com/sunbeam/65tigerblk/Page.html Looks to be early with Vin# B9470172 Vinyl dash, short shifter, is the center console correct? Turn signal lever on left side. Ad says it needs undercarriage work but no pictures. Tim B9470149 From CoolVT at aol.com Thu Oct 4 13:55:27 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 15:55:27 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger in Hemmings Message-ID: In a message dated 10/4/2007 3:48:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, un-cole-a at juno.com writes: http://www.heritageclassics.com/sunbeam/65tigerblk/Page.html Wow, that's a pretty healthy asking price for something that "needs undercarriage work". I wonder if that means it's all rusted out? In my mind the value of my car just jumped $10,000:-) Mark ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From drjev at dccnet.com Fri Oct 5 15:26:17 2007 From: drjev at dccnet.com (drjev) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:26:17 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Subject: [Tigers] Test Message-ID: <4706ABF9.000003.01520@DIANE-72F68793C> This is only a test of my system. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of faint_grain.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of elephant_en.gif] From charlesengland at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 6 10:36:20 2007 From: charlesengland at sbcglobal.net (Charles England) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:36:20 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Ideas to solve vapor lock problem Message-ID: <000e01c80837$09681a20$4001a8c0@CHARLIE> I need some advice about vapor lock. On several recent hot days, the car runs well for the first 10 minutes and then the performance deteriorates rapidly depending on the ambient temperature (the higher the temp, the greater the degradation) until the car stalls and cannot be restarted. I am fairly sure the problem is vapor lock because the fuel pump (new to the car and working properly) does not click when I turn on the ignition after the stall indicating the presence of pressure in the gas line. I have put insulation on the gas line from the final filter to the carburetor but I continue to have a problem. Suggestions please, Many thanks, Charlie England B9470237 From drmayf at mayfco.com Sat Oct 6 12:44:18 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:44:18 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Bonneville World Finals Meet Message-ID: <4707D782.6020303@mayfco.com> Well, I just returned from a fantastic October meet on the salt, which does not happen very often. Last time was 2001. The world's fastest sunbeam (wannabe), with it's jy turbo inspired turbo system, it's tweecer driven engine management system, and my own half baked ideas of how to make it go had a good time. Our first run put is in impound: we qualified to make a record run. That was at 180 and change for a flying mile. Next morning cool and a bit of headwind. Bummer, as I coul dno tback it up and only ran 178 mph for that same flying mile. Needed to make at least 179. Dang wind... Went back out the same day with a tad more spark and ran about the same speed. Engine simply has not gone more that about 5200 rpm at any meet so far. Not for lack of pushing on the throttle, lol... my 95 mm TB is at full open. In any case, things got really exciting when I pulled the chute at the four mile mark... I was slammed sideways in both directions three or four times. Finally slowed enough to get me off the course in good shape, drove it off. Took a look around the car and found the right rear rubbed the fender lip a bit and when I looked under the car rear suspension, found the diagonal locator link had managed to unscrew itself, moving the rear opver by about 3/4 inch. SInce it ws dog tracking when I pulled the chute it pulled me sideways and started the excitement! Since the meet was just about over due to weather, We just put the car in the traile rand loaded up to come home. Oh, the speed at which it got exciting was 176 mph. As the dash sign on another car said, "don't sh*t in fire suit" , I no wunderstand what that truly means, lol. I now have to research why the car will not turn more than about 5200 rpm. My hardware should be good for at least 6000 rpm. I have no evidence of anything like valve float or fuel limiting going on. Something else is amiss. In any case, we made it home safe and sound, had a bunch of fun mixed with stark terror. more later mayf From racetig at verizon.net Sat Oct 6 13:33:33 2007 From: racetig at verizon.net (Rob) Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 14:33:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 108 Message-ID: <14471296.39028511191699213876.JavaMail.root@vms125.mailsrvcs.net> Charlie, What carburetor are you using? Do you have a phenolic spacer between the intake and the carb or are you using the stock base plate with water flow? What temp is the car at when stall occurs? (Not guage reading but independent reading with laser gun type unit). Should be able to limit the problem down... Rob B9470182 B382000805 B382002650 ===================== From: tigers-request at autox.team.net Date: 2007/10/06 Sat PM 01:00:04 CDT To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Tigers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 108 Send Tigers mailing list submissions to tigers at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tigers-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at tigers-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Test (drjev) 2. Ideas to solve vapor lock problem (Charles England) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:26:17 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) From: "drjev" Subject: [Tigers] Test To: Message-ID: <4706ABF9.000003.01520 at DIANE-72F68793C> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This is only a test of my system. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of faint_grain.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of elephant_en.gif] ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 12:36:20 -0400 From: "Charles England" Subject: [Tigers] Ideas to solve vapor lock problem To: Message-ID: <000e01c80837$09681a20$4001a8c0 at CHARLIE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I need some advice about vapor lock. On several recent hot days, the car runs well for the first 10 minutes and then the performance deteriorates rapidly depending on the ambient temperature (the higher the temp, the greater the degradation) until the car stalls and cannot be restarted. I am fairly sure the problem is vapor lock because the fuel pump (new to the car and working properly) does not click when I turn on the ignition after the stall indicating the presence of pressure in the gas line. I have put insulation on the gas line from the final filter to the carburetor but I continue to have a problem. Suggestions please, Many thanks, Charlie England B9470237 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Tigers mailing list Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers End of Tigers Digest, Vol 1, Issue 108 ************************************** Rob From mrlau at charter.net Sat Oct 6 15:40:07 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:40:07 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Ideas to solve vapor lock problem Message-ID: <20071006214201.RPXJ495.aarprv02.charter.net@aardvark> I think that your gasoline line, probably close to the rear by the gas tanks is clogged 90% or so. That's why the pump doesn't click. It is pushing against the clog. Remove your fuel line up by the carburetor and see if it will pump the correct amount of fuel into a container. Be careful because there are a lot of things under the hood that will ignite gasoline fumes easily. -- Bill -- I need some advice about vapor lock. On several recent hot days, the car runs well for the first 10 minutes and then the performance deteriorates rapidly depending on the ambient temperature (the higher the temp, the greater the degradation) until the car stalls and cannot be restarted. I am fairly sure the problem is vapor lock because the fuel pump (new to the car and working properly) does not click when I turn on the ignition after the stall indicating the presence of pressure in the gas line. I have put insulation on the gas line from the final filter to the carburetor but I continue to have a problem. Suggestions please, Many thanks, Charlie England B9470237 From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 6 18:12:54 2007 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:12:54 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Vapor Lock Message-ID: <000e01c80876$cf201ad0$6401a8c0@your03667082de> "I need some advice about vapor lock" I had to same problem with a Edelbrock low-rise manifold and carb. The solution was to put a one inch plastic spacer between the carb and manifold. This insulated the carb from the manifold heat. If you have a high rise manifold you will have to measure carefully before you use a spacer. Jeff From strombecker at telus.net Sun Oct 7 00:19:05 2007 From: strombecker at telus.net (TM) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 23:19:05 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Under coating Message-ID: <000601c808a9$f69256e0$657ba8c0@TERRYSDESKTOP> I need information on exactly which areas under the car were under coated, and which areas are not. I am trying to keep my restoration as close to stock as possible. Also I would like to know if the leaf spring bundle clamps were black or just metal color. Any help or pictures would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Terry strombecker at telus.net From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun Oct 7 01:56:44 2007 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 17:56:44 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] engine fan location sand size Message-ID: What size was the original Tiger engine fan? how far was it mounted from the face of the block? I have a ford motorsports 302 crate motor with alloy pulleys, i was taking some dimensions to change over the existing plastic flexi-fan for a steel one (the famous BON one) however, it seems that the plastic fan is only 12" and very close to the steering rack, the 15" would surely hit the rack. I'm wondering if the alloy pulley is moving the fan closer to the rack than stock? Perhaps my engine is sitting lower than stock? I have heard people raising the engines in these to solve issues of fan/rack clearence, but surely not a large amount, Any thoughts? pics of engine bay: http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2784072970054462410grcNlj -- Regards Michael King From sawhill at att.net Sun Oct 7 08:30:44 2007 From: sawhill at att.net (Kenda Sawhill) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 07:30:44 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Vapor Lock In-Reply-To: <000e01c80876$cf201ad0$6401a8c0@your03667082de> References: <000e01c80876$cf201ad0$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Message-ID: <000001c808ee$a67281e0$4996480c@HomeOffice> Jeff, I had a similar problem and corrected it by replacing the glass in-line fuel filter with standard one. I also tried to keep it away from the block as best as I could. Good luck! Mac Sawhill B9740860 From laurin212 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 7 12:22:57 2007 From: laurin212 at yahoo.com (Peter Laurinaitis) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 14:22:57 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Under coating References: <000601c808a9$f69256e0$657ba8c0@TERRYSDESKTOP> Message-ID: <002b01c8090f$1633c4b0$6501a8c0@PETERHOME> i seem to recall hearing some cars were undercoated, some where not. might have been a dealer option, but its been some time since i looked at this so cant recall definitively. peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "TM" To: "Tiger Email List" Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 2:19 AM Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Under coating >I need information on exactly which areas under the car were under coated, >and > which areas are not. I am trying to keep my restoration as close to stock > as > possible. Also I would like to know if the leaf spring bundle clamps were > black or just metal color. Any help or pictures would be greatly > appreciated. From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sun Oct 7 20:52:41 2007 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:52:41 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] engine fan location sand size In-Reply-To: <452153.91469.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <452153.91469.qm@web33207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 08/10/2007, Gary Crandall wrote: > > MIchael, > > The easiest way to get more room for the fan is to use a shallower pulley > and press the water pump hub further down on the shaft, thus maintaining the > alignment of the water pump pulley groove with the crankshaft and > generator/alternator pulley grooves. > > Measure how much distance there is from the back of the present fan blades > to the fan belt and subtract half the difference in width between the old > fan and the new fan. This distance is how far you can relocate the pulley > and determine how deep the pulley should be; add a little for > tolerance/clearance. If you can move the mounting face of the water pump > pulley more than half the difference in width between the 2 fans, then the > new fan will at least fit behind the radiator. > > I notice you do not have a fan shroud. A shroud is critical in order for > the fan to pull the air through the radiator, otherwise it bypasses the > radiator and just comes in around the sides of the radiator. Air and fluid > (like teenagers) always follows the path of least resistance. For the most > efficient air flow, the center plane of the fan should be in line with the > trailing edge of the shroud. Base on the picture on your website, it appears > your fan might be too far farward, had you a shroud. > > Clearance to the rack is another story. The Tigers orginally came with > exhaust heat shields and spacer/washers between the motor mounts and engine > block. If these pieces are missing and/or your motor mounts are old or > sagging with age (aren't we all), the motor may be lower than it should be. > You may also install additional spacer/washers. A set of 1/8" washers will > raise the front of the engine about 1/4". I also run the fan mentioned in > TBON, but trimmed it about 1/4". It really moves a lot of air. > > Hope this helps. > > Gary > Gary, Had not thought about the heat sheilds, should check to see whats going on down there, im sure the mounts will be in good condition but will keep an eye open. As for the pulley, i believe the stock ones are hens teeth? Is there an aftermarket one that is short? Also i want to try and avoid trimming my nice new fan (i think compliments to you?) but will see how i go once i have sorted this.. maybe i can make/modify a pulley that will be short enough to resolve the rack interface issue? I am thinknig the fact its only had a 12" fan might have been the overheating at idle issue. As for shrouds, i thought the stock one was not much good given they are not a sealed unit. As i also dont have one i was thinking of making one that went round the whole fan and would be much more efficent.. but all in good time i guess. From rpalmerbob at roadrunner.com Mon Oct 8 08:55:45 2007 From: rpalmerbob at roadrunner.com (Robert Palmer) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 07:55:45 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Bonneville World Finals Meet In-Reply-To: <4707D782.6020303@mayfco.com> References: <4707D782.6020303@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <001701c809bb$4e63b230$6401a8c0@tarbaby> Way to go Mayf! The most obvious reason why you can't exceed 5200 rpm is you need more horsepower to go faster. I assume you get more horsepower at higher rpms, so the obvious solution is lower gears. To know just what gears to use, you need to dyno your engine and find where the peak horsepower is, which should coincide with your top speed if you pick the right gears. Of course, your PPP (personal pucker point) may be reached at a somewhat lower speed. ;-) From max348 at comcast.net Mon Oct 8 08:56:45 2007 From: max348 at comcast.net (R Smith) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:56:45 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Still trying for wheels... Message-ID: <000901c809bb$731eecc0$9c5a7d18@maxh5p0k3wk247> I am STILL in the process of trying to find the right size Panasports for my car & I need to find out, for measuring purposes, what the factory distance is from the outside of the wheel mounting flange on the passenger side is to the outside of the wheel mounting flange on the drivers side. ( rear ) I am working with Averill Racing http://racing-stuff.com:80/ & they require this measurement in order to factor in the difference between the OEM & my Jag rear-end in trying to figure the correct offset / backspacing. ( I know - what a pain in the arse! ) If anyone happens to have this information and or could take a measurement for me, I would GREATLY appreciate it. Without it, I am somewhat stranded here. Thanks in advance, Rob From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Oct 8 09:21:22 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:21:22 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Bonneville World Finals Meet Message-ID: I think we all assumed that if he was at Bonniville that he didn't have a PPP. ;-) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From tsmit at shaw.ca Mon Oct 8 11:15:29 2007 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:15:29 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Still trying for wheels... In-Reply-To: <000901c809bb$731eecc0$9c5a7d18@maxh5p0k3wk247> References: <000901c809bb$731eecc0$9c5a7d18@maxh5p0k3wk247> Message-ID: <470A65B1.6010201@shaw.ca> Hi Rob, If you're not too concerned with getting OEM backspacing, then probably the easiest thing to do is to drop plumb lines from the inside of the rear fender lip on each side of the car, at the top of the arch. Measure the distance between the plumb lines. Allowing about 1/2" (or whatever your expected sideways wheel movement is) on each side for clearance, you reduce the measurement by one inch, and that is where you want the outside shoulder to be, which will more-or-less align with the outside bead location of the rim, depending on your wheel/tire combination. Take off one wheel width measurement, and that's the track you want. Measure the track on your Jaguar rear end, and the wheel offset is then half the difference between the two track measurements. Make sure you get the positive/negative offset thing right... It might be less error prone if you use backspacing measurements instead. There is quite a bit of room laterally in the Tiger rear wheel well, so unless you are going for the widest possible wheel/tire combination you will have some room to adjust the lateral spacing of the wheels. If you want to have that option then order your wheels with 1/4" to 1/2" more positive offset than your widest-possible track measurement indicates. You will need to have long enough studs on the rear hubs, as well as some good-fitting spacers, to do this. One indirect datapoint: I put 39mm offset, 2005 Mustang rims (16x7) on my Tiger using custom machined, but otherwise stock offset, rear hubs. With 1/4" thick disc brake hubs and no other spacers, the wheel/tire combination cleared the leaf spring by about 1/16". This is obviously too far inboard, but I made 1/2" spacers to get things a bit closer to reasonable, and I could go another 1/2" without any concern about hitting the outside fender lips. Good luck, Theo From atwittsend at verizon.net Mon Oct 8 11:59:56 2007 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 10:59:56 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Still trying for wheels... References: <000901c809bb$731eecc0$9c5a7d18@maxh5p0k3wk247> Message-ID: <003001c809d5$0a05dea0$0202a8c0@allinthefamily> > If anyone happens to have this information and or could take a measurement for > me, I would GREATLY appreciate it. Without it, I am somewhat stranded here. Rob, My Tiger happens to be on jackstands with the rear wheels off (for too long, but that's another story). Anyway, the bare FLANGE to FLANGE measurement (using the plumb line Theo recommended) is 50-7/8". Note that this does nor include the thickness of the brake drum (1/4" per side). It does not include the fact that the brake drum bulges at the outer edge (1/2" per side - and that this 1/2" measurement INCLUDES the thickness of the brake drum). Please also note that I had to get this measurement fishing through the jack stands and accuracy is likely within 1/8". Hope that this get you out of your "Gilligan" (stranded) situation. Tom Witt From max348 at comcast.net Mon Oct 8 13:16:21 2007 From: max348 at comcast.net (R Smith) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 15:16:21 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Still trying for wheels... References: <000901c809bb$731eecc0$9c5a7d18@maxh5p0k3wk247> <003001c809d5$0a05dea0$0202a8c0@allinthefamily> Message-ID: <001901c809df$b6460be0$9c5a7d18@maxh5p0k3wk247> Tom, NO WAY - Gilligan! Ha, Haa.... ( That's a new one for me ) Thank you for taking the measurement. I just want to make sure that I understood you correctly. 1) FLANGE to FLANGE is 50-7/8" give or take an 1/8". 2) Installing the brake drums, the mounting surface distance increases 1/2" to appx 51-3/8". Thanks again, Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Witt" To: ; "R Smith" Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Still trying for wheels... > >> If anyone happens to have this information and or could take a >> measurement > for >> me, I would GREATLY appreciate it. Without it, I am somewhat stranded > here. > > Rob, > My Tiger happens to be on jackstands with the rear wheels off (for too > long, but that's another story). Anyway, the bare FLANGE to FLANGE > measurement (using the plumb line Theo recommended) is 50-7/8". Note that > this does nor include the thickness of the brake drum (1/4" per side). It > does not include the fact that the brake drum bulges at the outer edge > (1/2" > per side - and that this 1/2" measurement INCLUDES the thickness of the > brake drum). Please also note that I had to get this measurement fishing > through the jack stands and accuracy is likely within 1/8". > Hope that this get you out of your "Gilligan" (stranded) situation. > > Tom Witt From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon Oct 8 14:52:33 2007 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 15:52:33 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] alignment woes Message-ID: <39a841b0710081352q4a0cfd78t8258d53c1774984f@mail.gmail.com> so i just spent 6 hours in the alignment shop trying to get the car set up after replacing all the front end parts. the first point to note is that sitting in the car made no different (i only weigh 158 pounds and the car is quite stiff - maybe a heavier person would have affect it). the place i use has a top notch 4 wheel laser alignment rig which is very sensitive. i saw 0.1 degree change in camber on one side and everything else remained the same. i was shooting for 4-5 degrees +ve castor, 0.5 -ve camber and a little (1/8") toe in. not majorly concerned about the toe because i've got a midget rack i'm planning on installing at some point but i wanted to get the castor and camber done for good. there didn't seem to be much consistency to the numbers. sometimes we would add a shim and get no change, sometimes the change would go the other way and sometimes we'd get different numbers if we set the machine up from scratch again. all the suspension parts are tight with no play. on the passenger side i had 1.4 degrees camber with no shims, so as far as i can tell there is no way to change it beyond that. so i ended up having to go for a massive 1.5 degrees -ve on both sides. this makes the car hard to steer and a little twitchy. for the same reason i had to settle for only 1.8 - 2 degrees of castor because adding more would add more camber to the passenger side too. finally, the toe - after centering the rack i found the passenger side tie rod end would only have about 1 turn of tie rod threads in it - scarry! so i decided to add another 3 turns and take them out of the drivers side. this makes my central position about 1/2 a revolution of the steering wheel off central. also, not having properly adjustable tie rods means you can't get the toe very accurate anyway. how do people deal with that? put washers on the steering arms? the midget rack and dale kit will solve that i suppose. does all this sound like my crossmember might be a little twisted? the car tracks fine now and doesn't jump around when it hits bumps but it doesn't feel good with all that camber. From v8sunbeamtiger at hotmail.com Mon Oct 8 15:03:01 2007 From: v8sunbeamtiger at hotmail.com (Joey Hiykel) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:03:01 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] 4 barell Carb Message-ID: anyone looking for a holley 4 bl for their tiger? i have a brand new 465cfm. make me an offer please. _________________________________________________________________ Spiderman 3 Spin to Win! Your chance to win $50,000 & many other great prizes! Play now! http://spiderman3.msn.com From tsmit at shaw.ca Mon Oct 8 21:08:51 2007 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:08:51 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Bonneville World Finals Meet In-Reply-To: <001701c809bb$4e63b230$6401a8c0@tarbaby> References: <4707D782.6020303@mayfco.com> <001701c809bb$4e63b230$6401a8c0@tarbaby> Message-ID: <470AF0C3.9030609@shaw.ca> Mayf, it's good to hear you came through without any major problems. I followed the posted results and was pretty dismayed when the result for Wednesday included "spin" in the comments behind your run. Congratulations on getting some great runs in and keeping it together enough to take it home in one piece. I hadn't considered the inability to go over 5200 strictly as a power related thing but in retrospect, Bob might very well be right. The power required to run at any speed goes up as the cube of speed... so unless your torque curve goes up very steeply in the area of 5200 RPM, you might just be hitting a brick wall there. Even if you have a tiny blip in the torque curve at any point near there it may make it impossible to get over the hump and keep accelerating. If you did datalogging of your speed in lower gears, then you should chart your acceleration around the 5200 RPM mark in first/second and see if there was any change in acceleration around there, it might indicate that you can do a bit of tuning to improve things. Theo Robert Palmer wrote: > Way to go Mayf! The most obvious reason why you can't exceed 5200 rpm is you > need more horsepower to go faster. From tsmit at shaw.ca Mon Oct 8 21:15:59 2007 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:15:59 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Bonneville World Finals Meet In-Reply-To: <4707D782.6020303@mayfco.com> References: <4707D782.6020303@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <470AF26F.50803@shaw.ca> It's about time they posted a pic of your car on the SCTA site. Theo From Drmoonstone at aol.com Mon Oct 8 22:34:32 2007 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 00:34:32 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Vapor Lock Message-ID: An applied coating on the under side of the manifold that provides a heat bearer, the material we use is rated at 2500 degrees. Moonstone ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From rpalmerbob at roadrunner.com Mon Oct 8 22:55:21 2007 From: rpalmerbob at roadrunner.com (Robert Palmer) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 21:55:21 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Bonneville World Finals Meet In-Reply-To: <470AF0C3.9030609@shaw.ca> References: <4707D782.6020303@mayfco.com> <001701c809bb$4e63b230$6401a8c0@tarbaby> <470AF0C3.9030609@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <001001c80a30$997eef80$6401a8c0@tarbaby> Theo, Lack of horsepower is the only reason I can think of for not going faster. Theo, If Mayf knows the engine should be putting out enough HP @ 5200 rpm to go faster than 180, then he needs to fix what's wrong with the engine. In either case - good engine wrong gears, bad engine right gears - he needs to dyno the engine, get it tuned up, find out where the HP peaks, and adjust the gears accordingly. Knowing the cubed dependence on speed, the math is pretty simple. I'll be the first to donate $20 to the Wannabe dyno fund. Everyone send their checks to me and, and after deducting the standard handling fees, I'll see that Mayf gets the money that's left. Bob From rpalmerbob at roadrunner.com Tue Oct 9 00:11:19 2007 From: rpalmerbob at roadrunner.com (Robert Palmer) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 23:11:19 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] alignment woes In-Reply-To: <39a841b0710081352q4a0cfd78t8258d53c1774984f@mail.gmail.com> References: <39a841b0710081352q4a0cfd78t8258d53c1774984f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001101c80a3b$357bc070$6401a8c0@tarbaby> Owen, I have the same problem almost that bad on my driver's side. No shims on that side, but get about 4.5 degrees of caster. Two possibilities, either the stub axle is bent or the crossmember is tweaked. I've got another stub axle I plan to replace on the offending side sometime and see if that changes it for the better. The other option is to have the alignment shop pull the upper A-arm mounting point outboard about 1/4 to 1/2 an inch or so. You have a couple of options to get more caster, either tweak the upper A-arm mounts on both sides or put shims between the crossmember and the frame at the rear two mounting points. The latter you can do yourself. More caster will give you better straight ahead stability but increase steering effort. Bob From drmayf at mayfco.com Tue Oct 9 08:52:38 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 07:52:38 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Bonneville World Finals Meet In-Reply-To: <001001c80a30$997eef80$6401a8c0@tarbaby> References: <4707D782.6020303@mayfco.com> <001701c809bb$4e63b230$6401a8c0@tarbaby> <470AF0C3.9030609@shaw.ca> <001001c80a30$997eef80$6401a8c0@tarbaby> Message-ID: <470B95B6.9070704@mayfco.com> Jeeze Bob, what an offer! How much willI have to contribute so that yo can handle the funds,lol.. Since there is a common point or nearly so, in all the runs then what is the common item. Well, I am now leaning to vlave float. But softly. With 10 pounds of boost in th emanifold, the intakes see abot 30 pluss pounds on the back side. And that is reducing the seat presure on th esprings. So If I installed the springs at a badd height and the pressure on the back side is 10 I could be gently floating the valves. I have ordered a seat pressure test doo hickey so thayt will for sure help to solve the riddle. Now I want ya'll to know that I did a lot of aerodynamics in my life, so the aero thingy is not unknown to me. In fact I have all that stuff on my web site in the analysis section. Plus Ihave some sophisticated software that has 90 plus inputs which lets me tune the car for speed. http://www.mayfco.com/ clickon the active link and then enter the site then click on the analysis section. Allof it says it should be good. If the motor is making power. So, I am going to test these springs, and replace hem if I need to. Then try again on the dyno, if Bob has collected enough that there is some money left over. After all Christmas is coming, lol.. I may go to a different dyno however, as this one was a booger to get the car onto. Keep thinking.. mayf Robert Palmer wrote: >Theo, > >Lack of horsepower is the only reason I can think of for not going faster. >Theo, > >If Mayf knows the engine should be putting out enough HP @ 5200 rpm to go >faster than 180, then he needs to fix what's wrong with the engine. In >either case - good engine wrong gears, bad engine right gears - he needs to >dyno the engine, get it tuned up, find out where the HP peaks, and adjust >the gears accordingly. Knowing the cubed dependence on speed, the math is >pretty simple. I'll be the first to donate $20 to the Wannabe dyno fund. >Everyone send their checks to me and, and after deducting the standard >handling fees, I'll see that Mayf gets the money that's left. > >Bob From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Tue Oct 9 09:32:34 2007 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 10:32:34 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Bonneville World Finals Meet In-Reply-To: <470AF26F.50803@shaw.ca> References: <4707D782.6020303@mayfco.com> <470AF26F.50803@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <000001c80a89$9e12f920$64f3c04a@jerry> Don't forget what Carroll Shelby said about the Cobra "When we got to 150 MPH it was like hitting a brick wall." He cured the problem with aerodynamics, the Daytona. I would think a faring around the driver would help tremendously, the faster you go the more important streamlining becomes. Round objects like the tubing in the rollcage create a tremendous amount of drag at speed. I'm retired from the airlines with 20,000 hrs of flying experience and have always enjoyed the subject of aerodynamics. The 5200 RPM seems very low for a small block, the suggestion of dynoing to see where the power and torque are and then gearing to suit would be money well spent. Good luck Jerry Christopherson 9473187 TAC682 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Theo Smit Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:16 PM To: drmayf at mayfco.com Cc: Alpines; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Bonneville World Finals Meet It's about time they posted a pic of your car on the SCTA site. Theo _______________________________________________ jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From DWheeler at dopplegangers.net Tue Oct 9 21:03:32 2007 From: DWheeler at dopplegangers.net (Don Wheeler) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 22:03:32 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer/Speedometer cable Message-ID: Thanks for all your help in advance!! When I bought my Tiger I was told that the speedo cable was broken and that was why it [speedo] did not work. I pulled the cable out of the transmission and it seemed fine on that end, so I took the speedometer end off and it too looks fine. By spinning the tranny side, with my fingers, I can see the speedo end spinning. Hmmmm. Taking the Speedo apart to look at it I noticed that the gears were cracked, so it can use a make over, but may or may not make it inoperable. I inserted the tranny side back and took the car for a spin, and the speedometer end does not turn. Hmm Hmmmm My question is what was left out of the transmission, or how big of a deal is or could this actually get? Maybe some gears are missing from inside the tranny? Other than rebuilding a 350 in a 69 Camaro in High School I don't remember to much about transmissions, of course I didn't rebuild that tranny either! What am I in for? Thanks From newmexicobooks at bacavalley.com Tue Oct 9 11:30:08 2007 From: newmexicobooks at bacavalley.com (newmexicobooks at bacavalley.com) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 11:30:08 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Alignment answer Message-ID: <3e48b8e2ca4e4f54b8e5f987799cebd4.newmexicobooks@bacavalley.com> A thumping chuck-hole can bend a front frame member on one side or the other. Check the vertical stampings attached on each side, by the front cross-member, to see if they are vertical or at best bent inward the same amount. These things are called "Wheel arch stays." They are the tell-tale as to what is really wrong....Cheers....Bill Carroll..... From rmebstein at aol.com Wed Oct 10 11:43:50 2007 From: rmebstein at aol.com (rmebstein at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:43:50 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger For Sale In-Reply-To: <001101c80a3b$357bc070$6401a8c0@tarbaby> References: <39a841b0710081352q4a0cfd78t8258d53c1774984f@mail.gmail.com> <001101c80a3b$357bc070$6401a8c0@tarbaby> Message-ID: <8C9D97C404FC691-684-2E5B@WEBMAIL-MA05.sysops.aol.com> 1966 MK 1A #1478 Silver with black interior. ?Original color is Carnival Red. Hardtop. Original 260, 4-speed close-ratio Toploader and 2.88 Dana 44 rear end.?Certified with TAC #613. 14" Panasports, 4-wheel disc brakes, straight and rust-free car originally from AZ. Interior, suspension and brakes have approximately 1,000 miles since rebuild/restore/replacement. $29,500 obo. Serious inquiries only please may contact me off list for more info. Located in SF Bay Area. Thank you. ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Oct 10 12:17:53 2007 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:17:53 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer/Speedometer cable References: Message-ID: <00c601c80b69$e09cc060$0202a8c0@allinthefamily> Don, Your test seem to indicate that the cable itself is good. If the cable wasn't pushed back far enough into the transmissions square receptical you will not see it turning in your test drive. You could also try gently pushing the cable in on a test drive to make sure it engages the receptical. Even having some one push the car (for safety, rather than a test drive) would work A sure way to test it is to jack up the driver's side of the car, (properly supported, you don't want the car falling on you) and with the cable diconnected have someone rotate the rear tire (assuming you don't have a limited slip differential). Observe the square receptical for the cable on the transmission and see if it is rotating. A flashlight and mirror may be helpful to limiting how far under the car you need to go. The cracked gears in the speedo itself are the likely cause though. Tom From Drmoonstone at aol.com Wed Oct 10 12:51:00 2007 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:51:00 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Bonneville World Finals Meet Message-ID: Maybe, but don't forget the late Dick Smith and the number on the gumball on the door....198. 198 MPH at Sebring form the winningest factory Cobra driver ever. Just horsepower and balls is all it took. Moonstone ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From tbrown at midcoast.com Wed Oct 10 13:38:17 2007 From: tbrown at midcoast.com (Theodore Brown) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:38:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Rear Suspension Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20071010153324.011faba8@midcoast.com> Hello All: This past weekend I had a chance to look at some other Tigers and noticed that my car seems to be sitting a bit low in the back which is probably what one would expect after forty-one years. I am thinking that my options are to either get new springs or to have the originals rebuilt. I would be interested in the thoughts of anyone who has dealt with the same situation. What are the pro and cons for the two possibilities and, if I decide to have them rebuilt, who does that kind of stuff and where are they? Thanks, Tod B382002384LRXFE From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Wed Oct 10 13:41:23 2007 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:41:23 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer/Speedometer cable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301c80b75$8aa18720$64f3c04a@jerry> You haven't mentioned anything about the speedometer gear on the trany side, is it in good shape? It's just plastic of some sort and it could be worn out. You asked about "gears inside the trany" the only thing in there for the speedometer is a worm gear on the output shaft, it's highly unlikely it would be bad. Jerry Christopherson 9473186 TAC682 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Wheeler Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 10:04 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer/Speedometer cable Thanks for all your help in advance!! When I bought my Tiger I was told that the speedo cable was broken and that was why it [speedo] did not work. I pulled the cable out of the transmission and it seemed fine on that end, so I took the speedometer end off and it too looks fine. By spinning the tranny side, with my fingers, I can see the speedo end spinning. Hmmmm. Taking the Speedo apart to look at it I noticed that the gears were cracked, so it can use a make over, but may or may not make it inoperable. I inserted the tranny side back and took the car for a spin, and the speedometer end does not turn. Hmm Hmmmm My question is what was left out of the transmission, or how big of a deal is or could this actually get? Maybe some gears are missing from inside the tranny? Other than rebuilding a 350 in a 69 Camaro in High School I don't remember to much about transmissions, of course I didn't rebuild that tranny either! What am I in for? Thanks _______________________________________________ jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Wed Oct 10 13:56:26 2007 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:56:26 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Rear Suspension In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20071010153324.011faba8@midcoast.com> References: <5.0.2.1.1.20071010153324.011faba8@midcoast.com> Message-ID: <000401c80b77$a4e11f90$64f3c04a@jerry> When I had my rear springs out during my restoration I had them recurved at a place that did suspension work. They wanted to install another leaf, but I insisted they not do that as I didn't want to upset the originality of the suspension. It's been 7 years and their still holding up fine. The thing you have to find out is the height of the arch, I have long since forgotten what the measurement is, but I'm sure some one out there can give you the measurement. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 TAC#682 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Theodore Brown Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:38 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Rear Suspension Hello All: This past weekend I had a chance to look at some other Tigers and noticed that my car seems to be sitting a bit low in the back which is probably what one would expect after forty-one years. I am thinking that my options are to either get new springs or to have the originals rebuilt. I would be interested in the thoughts of anyone who has dealt with the same situation. What are the pro and cons for the two possibilities and, if I decide to have them rebuilt, who does that kind of stuff and where are they? Thanks, Tod B382002384LRXFE _______________________________________________ jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From gswaybright at yahoo.com Wed Oct 10 14:03:32 2007 From: gswaybright at yahoo.com (Stephen Waybright) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Rear Suspension In-Reply-To: <000401c80b77$a4e11f90$64f3c04a@jerry> Message-ID: <731269.52945.qm@web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Spring like anything else fatigue, and over 40 years old... I'd go with replacement rear springs from either Dale A, or Rob Guerra/Tom Hall. --- Jerry wrote: > When I had my rear springs out during my restoration I had them > recurved at > a place that did suspension work. They wanted to install another > leaf, but I > insisted they not do that as I didn't want to upset the originality > of the > suspension. It's been 7 years and their still holding up fine. > The thing you have to find out is the height of the arch, I have long > since > forgotten what the measurement is, but I'm sure some one out there > can give > you the measurement. > > Jerry Christopherson > 9473187 > TAC#682 > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of > Theodore Brown > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:38 PM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Rear Suspension > > Hello All: > > This past weekend I had a chance to look at some other Tigers and > noticed > that my car seems to be > sitting a bit low in the back which is probably what one would expect > after > forty-one years. I am > thinking that my options are to either get new springs or to have the > > originals rebuilt. I would be > interested in the thoughts of anyone who has dealt with the same > situation. What are the pro and > cons for the two possibilities and, if I decide to have them rebuilt, > who > does that kind of stuff and > where are they? Thanks, > > Tod > B382002384LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > _______________________________________________ > gswaybright at yahoo.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Oct 10 17:45:12 2007 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:45:12 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Rear Suspension In-Reply-To: <731269.52945.qm@web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000401c80b77$a4e11f90$64f3c04a@jerry> <731269.52945.qm@web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm not sure i would go with Dales springs if you are concerned about stock as they are modified and are not as original and sit lower and are stiffer. I would look at who sells a set that are close to original spec first.. however the dales ones i know do make the car handle well.. but then you would probably have to uprate the front to.. cant change one end without changing the other. On 11/10/2007, Stephen Waybright wrote: > > Spring like anything else fatigue, and over 40 years old... I'd go with > replacement rear springs from either Dale A, or Rob Guerra/Tom Hall. > > > > -- > Regards > > Michael King From DJoh797014 at aol.com Wed Oct 10 20:19:04 2007 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:19:04 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Speedometer/Speedometer cable Message-ID: There's been lots of stuff written about this. The lube in the gears in the speedo head have dried out and the bearing is seized or so stiff that it seizes the cable end. The seized cable then rounds the plastic gear that goes into the trans. The plastic gear is a 'fuse'. Best to strip that gear then damage the steel drive gear inside the trans. The steel drive rarely goes bad. Pull the cable and covering out of the speed end. Pus down on the cable end with your thumb. Then drive very slowly. If the cable doesn't turn easily or skips, your gear is shot. Pull the gear out of the trans and replace it with one from your Ford dealer. The original gear had 15 teeth and have not been available for years. There are 16, 17, up to 20 available. Each count adds about 3 mph to the speedo reading. Test again with the new gear. You should have fixed that end. Dont stop here or you have wasted your time and money. Pull the speedo and test it. Insert something with a sqaure end into the gear drive and turn the speedo gear by hand. It must be free and easy. A drop of oil may help free the gear up. Don't over lube. Lube with graphite not oil. Oil freezes in the winter. Too many miles on the speedo. Use a drill and run it in reverse and watch the miles disappear. That should fix you for a while. In the meantime plan on having the speedo rebuilt. Tger Tom used to do this. I think Nissonger in upper New York or Momo rebuilds speedo. Dave ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Carmods at aol.com Thu Oct 11 07:02:12 2007 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:02:12 EDT Subject: [Tigers] : engine fan location and size Message-ID: Michael, If you have to cut the fan to miss the rack, don't cut the whole blade, just notch the tip. You need all the diameter you can get. John Logan ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From sunbeamjohn at msn.com Thu Oct 11 09:03:20 2007 From: sunbeamjohn at msn.com (sunbeam john) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:03:20 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Need new Tiger Message-ID: I am looking to purchase a number two or better Tiger that has 250 to 300 HP. Do not want Red or Green. If anybody know of a Tiger as describe above please call or email. Thank you, John Cossman sunbeamjohn at msn.com 480 695-4570 From Rollright at aol.com Thu Oct 11 10:23:34 2007 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:23:34 EDT Subject: [Tigers] time for engine rebuild Message-ID: Hello, Well, when one thing goes in an old system, something else is close behind. In closing in on Tod Brown's Down East Sunbeam Meet, it appears that my timing chain skipped. Essentially no compression and one spark plug electrode was banged and bent. Imagine the sorrow. 140,000 reliable miles. Time to rebuild. I'm going the LAT route. 465 Holley, but I need guidance on the Intake Manifold (LAT or as close I can get) and a CAM. Again LAT, hydraulic . Please help me her, guys, with sourcing a manifold and a cam. Best regards as always, Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Tigerman67 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 11 10:47:37 2007 From: Tigerman67 at hotmail.com (Tigerman) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 10:47:37 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Rear Suspension References: <5.0.2.1.1.20071010153324.011faba8@midcoast.com> Message-ID: My dad and I rebuilt a 52 Chevy pickup when I was a kid, and my father still has the truck. He had a shop in his town take the front leaf springs in and 're-arched' probably 10-15 years ago, and it wasn't a very good job, the truck sagged on one side, which was probably worse than having them both worn out equally. He eventually replaced the springs with some used ones he found, and the truck at least sits level now. More recently the springs on my Mustang were sagging fairly bad, I order a set of replacement springs, but they sat around for a while, realizing I wasn't going to get to it for quite some time, and the original springs looked fairly rusted up, I decided to pay a local muffler shop that does alot or work on classics to install them for me. The cost was within $20 to just have them install the springs I had (which I had previously paid for), vs taking the old ones off and rearching them. So it would have been alot cheaper to rearch the old ones for me, but based on my previous experience (and not wanting to have to sell the springs I bought) I decided to just go ahead and have them replaced. Maybe someone else can give you a rebuild/replace experience that is better than mine. But if you decide to have them rebuilt, I would check with your local shop and see what their policy is if they don't come out right. Steve > Hello All: > > This past weekend I had a chance to look at some other Tigers and noticed > that my car seems to be > sitting a bit low in the back which is probably what one would expect > after > forty-one years. I am > thinking that my options are to either get new springs or to have the > originals rebuilt. I would be > interested in the thoughts of anyone who has dealt with the same > situation. What are the pro and > cons for the two possibilities and, if I decide to have them rebuilt, who > does that kind of stuff and > where are they? Thanks, > > Tod > B382002384LRXFE From Rollright at aol.com Thu Oct 11 11:51:15 2007 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 13:51:15 EDT Subject: [Tigers] engine rebuild help Message-ID: Time to rebuild the engine I'm going the LAT route. 465 Holley, But, I need guidance on the Intake Manifold (LAT or as close I can get) and a CAM. Again LAT, hydraulic . Please help me her, guys, with sourcing a manifold and a cam. Best regards as always, Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From rpalmerbob at roadrunner.com Thu Oct 11 23:26:29 2007 From: rpalmerbob at roadrunner.com (Robert Palmer) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:26:29 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Bonneville World Finals Meet In-Reply-To: <470B95B6.9070704@mayfco.com> References: <4707D782.6020303@mayfco.com> <001701c809bb$4e63b230$6401a8c0@tarbaby> <470AF0C3.9030609@shaw.ca> <001001c80a30$997eef80$6401a8c0@tarbaby> <470B95B6.9070704@mayfco.com> Message-ID: <003401c80c90$717cd710$6701a8c0@tarbaby> Mayf, You could learn a lot from dynoing the engine as is first. If you replace the springs first, you'll never know if the valves were floating until the next run at Bonneville. Knowing the HP @5200 rpm you're getting now will also give you an effective aerodynamic drag that lets you calculate just how much HP is needed to bust 200 mph and what gears to use knowing where the HP peak is. Bob From Rollright at aol.com Fri Oct 12 15:35:59 2007 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:35:59 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Edelbrock manifolds, 2 types Message-ID: Does anybody know the difference (if any) between an Edelbrock F4B and an Edelbrock Performer manifold? Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From Rollright at aol.com Fri Oct 12 16:08:43 2007 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:08:43 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Hood clearance Message-ID: Hello, So many questions: Will a Holley 465 on an Edelbrock F4B fit under the Stock hood with the Stock aircleaner? Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From chris at cthompson.net Fri Oct 12 17:23:29 2007 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:23:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hood clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <471001F1.4090402@cthompson.net> It's close, Jim. On mine, I canot use a wing-nut on the aircleaner (LAT chrome cleaner).... Chris B382000331 Rollright at aol.com wrote: > Hello, > > So many questions: > > Will a Holley 465 on an Edelbrock F4B fit under the Stock hood with the > Stock aircleaner? From Rollright at aol.com Sat Oct 13 08:47:06 2007 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:47:06 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Edelbrock F4B manifolds Message-ID: Hello, Many people have ben very helpful in helping me understand what is involved in going to a LAT 4 bbl set-up But there appear to be a number of F4Bs The aspect I'd like to ask about now is that the carb mounting hole configurations seem to fall into two categories: 1) four holes 2) eight holes It would seem that the eight hole version would hold "whatever" carb. Question: will the four hole mount the 465 or is the four holer one to a void. I have pictures supplied by different people and e-bay of both..... Best, (and thanks) Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net Sat Oct 13 09:07:14 2007 From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 10:07:14 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Edelbrock F4B manifolds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301c80daa$bd80dec0$64f3c04a@jerry> Jim, The way I checked the clearance was to put a small dab of modeling clay in the shape of a Hershey kiss only taller on the air cleaner, and then slowly lower the hood to see when it started to squash the clay. There isn't much room for sure. I have an f4b with a Holly 600 double pumper, and only 4 holes in the manifold. Jerry Christopherson 9473187 TAC682 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rollright at aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:47 AM To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Cc: onegonefish at comcast.net Subject: [Tigers] Edelbrock F4B manifolds Hello, Many people have ben very helpful in helping me understand what is involved in going to a LAT 4 bbl set-up But there appear to be a number of F4Bs The aspect I'd like to ask about now is that the carb mounting hole configurations seem to fall into two categories: 1) four holes 2) eight holes It would seem that the eight hole version would hold "whatever" carb. Question: will the four hole mount the 465 or is the four holer one to a void. I have pictures supplied by different people and e-bay of both..... Best, (and thanks) Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ jcmc2006 at suddenlink.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From drmayf at mayfco.com Sat Oct 13 09:31:32 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 08:31:32 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Edelbrock F4B manifolds In-Reply-To: <000301c80daa$bd80dec0$64f3c04a@jerry> References: <000301c80daa$bd80dec0$64f3c04a@jerry> Message-ID: <4710E4D4.1050501@mayfco.com> Here is an easier way to check clearances. Sneak into the kitchen, and snag someof the wife's aluminum foil. Wad it up into a ball loosely. Put it on top of what ever you want to check clearance on, like the hood, and close it. The aluminum will squash and it is pretty easy to measure and it leaves no mess.... Jerry wrote: >Jim, > >The way I checked the clearance was to put a small dab of modeling clay in >the shape of a Hershey kiss only taller on the air cleaner, and then slowly >lower the hood to see when it started to squash the clay. There isn't much >room for sure. I have an f4b with a Holly 600 double pumper, and only 4 >holes in the manifold. > >Jerry Christopherson > >9473187 >TAC682 > >-----Original Message----- >From: tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net >[mailto:tigers-bounces+jcmc2006=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of >Rollright at aol.com >Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:47 AM >To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net >Cc: onegonefish at comcast.net >Subject: [Tigers] Edelbrock F4B manifolds > >Hello, > >Many people have ben very helpful in helping me understand what is involved > >in going to a LAT 4 bbl set-up > >But there appear to be a number of F4Bs > >The aspect I'd like to ask about now is that the carb mounting hole >configurations seem to fall into two categories: > >1) four holes >2) eight holes > >It would seem that the eight hole version would hold "whatever" carb. >Question: will the four hole mount the 465 or is the four holer one to a >void. > >I have pictures supplied by different people and e-bay of both..... > >Best, (and thanks) > >Jim Armstrong >MK 1A 382002083 >Rollright at aol.com From rootes1 at earthlink.net Sat Oct 13 10:36:08 2007 From: rootes1 at earthlink.net (Norman C. Miller) Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:36:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] QUICK PEEK Message-ID: Beach treat. http://www.classictiger.com/mudge/sheahan/te_ae_united_sheahan.jpg ncm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.9/1068 - Release Date: 10/13/2007 10:15 AM From KJENSSEN at aol.com Sun Oct 14 15:41:56 2007 From: KJENSSEN at aol.com (KJENSSEN at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:41:56 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Powr-Lok Message-ID: Hi, This Halloween...I thought I would drain the pumpkin and install new oil. I have a Spicer/Thornton "Powr-Lok" 3.31 I imagine I will need some type of friction modifier or additive. If anyone has any ideas please feel free to post some info. By chance does anyone have a copy of the Spicer/Thornton "Powr-Lok" installation and maintenance instructions manual ? Thanks... KIRT JENSSEN B9473199 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From MWood24020 at aol.com Sun Oct 14 16:15:16 2007 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:15:16 EDT Subject: [Tigers] anyone see the GT2 race at HPT today? Message-ID: Can anyone give me a good account of the race today, particularly lap one? To keep from spoiling the results, please respond to my email. Thanks. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From trippel at peoplepc.com Sun Oct 14 17:43:15 2007 From: trippel at peoplepc.com (trippel at peoplepc.com) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:43:15 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] CAT Autocross Message-ID: <001c01c80ebb$ff17eb50$be975142@trippel> CAT autocross 2 weeks from today at Willow Springs (for details see CAT's website Events page http://www.catmbr.org/Events1.htm This event is open to everyone (not just CAT members) and not limited to Tigers (any car can be used). Rollbars are not required. Steve Alcala (310) 322-6323 Buck Trippel (310) 545-2487 From Drmoonstone at aol.com Sun Oct 14 17:52:07 2007 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 19:52:07 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Hood clearance Message-ID: You'll need to use a 600 base with vacuum ports, per an article in the TU tech tips archives. I tried the combo with the quarter inch base from a Boss 302....too tall. Moonstone ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From atwittsend at verizon.net Sun Oct 14 21:33:00 2007 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 20:33:00 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Steve Laifman Message-ID: <00a201c80edc$16593c40$0202a8c0@allinthefamily> Listers, I noticed the recent absence of Steve Laifman on the Tiger List. I E-mailed his son Jay and inquired about his health. Jay asked me to send the following on to the list. Tom >From Jay: Thanks for asking about my dad. Three other people recently asked. So I sent this message to the list. But, I keep getting a bounced message. Please forward it to the list for me. Thanks. A number of you have recently sent me e-mails asking how my dad is. He's doing ok, he was worse, is a little better, but he's certainly been even better than now. In addition to all sorts of other things, he has had very bad arthritis in his bones, such that he has a hard time moving, including typing on keyboards. So, he hasn't been sending or even reading e-mails. He has recently started a new medicine that has improved his mobility dramatically. I don't know if he has started going through old e-mails yet. He happily talks on the phone. So, if anyone wants to call him and doesn't have his number, send me a private e-mail. As a good son, of course, what I really need to do is get over there and get the Tiger's juices flowing. :-) Except the last time I did that, which was supposed to be for me to do an oil change and a few miscellaneous things for 2 weeks ended up being 5 months!!!! I love that car!! Ok, so here is a 30 year Alpine owner's conversion to loving Tigers. My Alpine was my first car 30 years ago. Over the years, I've taken all the ribbing from folks about "should have had a V8," I've experienced being the begrudgingly accepted participant at various Tigers United and CAT events, and I've sat there at car shows while my 95 point Alpine barely gets a look, while a dumpy Tiger right next to my shiny Sunbeam has guys saying to their girlfriends "man, look at this Tiger." I took it because I really did and do love its high revving English charm sports car character. About 15 years ago, I fully restored it and hopped it up with a special high flow head, rally cam, dual side draft Webers and lots of other stuff. It has more hp/lb than a stock Tiger and is now really a blast. In fact, had Rootes done this in the first place, I'm not so sure the Tiger would have ever been made. I've driven a few Tigers over the years. I always went away feeling that I liked the lighter, tossible, sportier feel of the Alpine. Ok, so much for the Alpine cheering. Then I helped dad find his low mileage Tiger. He then did his magic warming up the engine a little, modifying the exhaust, and other bits. I really hadn't spent much time driving it until the above mentioned 2 week, then 5 month oil change. I think because it is so original and tight, and not overly hotrodded, I found it smooth, well balanced, nicely natured, and with the MOST INTOXICATING exhaust grunt and torque pull that I've ever experienced. I can just drive all day hearing and feeling that growl. Anyway, thanks for asking about dad. Jay From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Oct 15 09:11:41 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:11:41 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger driving me crazy Message-ID: I realized that I asked the list for help a few months back on a Tiger that was driving me crazy and never published the results. My problem was that the car, after a short drive would sometimes(and not every time) begin to lose power and run rough. If I hit the gas pedal it would stumble. If I put the car away and let it cool down, it would fun fine the next time I took it out. Some suggested a coil overheating...when it cooled it would be fine. Petronix tech help suggested that I try to duplicate the problem while letting the car idle. I could never duplicate it at idle. They said the ignitor would either go or not go so if it was ignition it would most likely be the coil. Others suggested that it was crud in the fuel line, floating up to the intake pipe and then floating away when there was no vacuum at the pipe. I found one tiny speck of dirt in the fuel filter so I decided to have the tanks cleaned and sealed (they were original). When the tank company looked inside they said there was nothing flaking and they looked great. I had them do the cleaning and coating anyway, but wondered if it might be the coil afterall. So, I did the tanks and replaced the coil. I've driven about 3,000 miles with no problems so hoping the problem is solved. BUT, I still am not sure which of the two were causing the problem and that just bugs me;-) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From chris at cthompson.net Mon Oct 15 09:15:11 2007 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:15:11 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger driving me crazy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <471383FF.6030601@cthompson.net> put the old coil back on...... CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > So, I did the tanks and replaced the coil. I've driven about 3,000 miles > with no problems so hoping the problem is solved. BUT, I still am not sure > which of the two were causing the problem and that just bugs me;-) From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Oct 15 09:19:39 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:19:39 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Tiger driving me crazy Message-ID: LOL, well that was pretty simple. Why didn't I think of that:-) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From GRMTim at aol.com Mon Oct 15 11:40:16 2007 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:40:16 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam camper van Message-ID: One of you guys had some kind of Sunbeam camper van at the United in Daytona last week. My buddy Kip at Kip Motors is looking for one of these. If still for sale could you contact him at kip at kipmotors.com. Thanks Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From sganz at pacbell.net Mon Oct 15 13:11:51 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Powr-Lok Message-ID: <462040.7124.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kirt - I think that is a clutch plate version so you usually need the additive if you run regular oil, or you can use some of the ones that have it. I think Redline synthetic has 2 varient of oil one with one with out (Might have the MS suffix to the part as I recall) I think they (redline) and other sell the friction modifier for those type of diffs. Check also with Summit/Jegs they usually have that stuff as well. I have used the redline with the additive and added a bit more when using the clutch type diff in another car. I think you can find the instruction for it on the Spicer site, but it took some time to find the right area for the diffs when I was looking for the truetrac stuff a while ago. I don't recall it being all that helpful other the "you may be killed" type of warning and disclaimers :-) Oh, and given the haloween theme don't feel bad if you can't get any orange pumpkin juice for the diff ;-) Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "KJENSSEN at aol.com" To: TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET; alpines at AUTOX.TEAM.NET Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 2:41:56 PM Subject: [Tigers] Powr-Lok Hi, This Halloween...I thought I would drain the pumpkin and install new oil. I have a Spicer/Thornton "Powr-Lok" 3.31 I imagine I will need some type of friction modifier or additive. If anyone has any ideas please feel free to post some info. By chance does anyone have a copy of the Spicer/Thornton "Powr-Lok" installation and maintenance instructions manual ? Thanks... KIRT JENSSEN B9473199 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From sganz at pacbell.net Mon Oct 15 13:23:36 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Tiger driving me crazy Message-ID: <777670.80554.qm@web82814.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Your too close to the project ;-) Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "CoolVT at aol.com" To: chris at cthompson.net Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 8:19:39 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger driving me crazy LOL, well that was pretty simple. Why didn't I think of that:-) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com Mon Oct 15 14:38:03 2007 From: Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com (Jay_Laifman at countrywide.com) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:38:03 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Jay's Alpine In-Reply-To: <000f01c80f5c$595ffd50$1db90c45@computer> Message-ID: Thanks Darryl. I do still love my Alpine. It's just that I now fully appreciate and love the Tiger too. For anyone who cares, I'll use this short window of opportunity to brag about my Alpine, here is a shot of it: http://www.pcars.us/albums/1868.jpg Jay ====================================================================== Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in and transmitted with this communication is strictly confidential, is intended only for the use of the intended recipient, and is the property of Countrywide Financial Corporation or its affiliates and subsidiaries. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of the information contained in or transmitted with the communication or dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited by law. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately return this communication to the sender and delete the original message and any copy of it in your possession. ====================================================================== From strombecker at telus.net Mon Oct 15 19:31:12 2007 From: strombecker at telus.net (TM) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:31:12 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Trunk Lid Message-ID: <001e01c80f94$3cab60e0$657ba8c0@TERRYSDESKTOP> Just thought I would let people know, that I finally got a good trunk lid. Charles Laudico is the person I got it from, he was honest and very good to deal with through ebay. This was unlike the previous lid I got from Joe Schuessler full of bondo and damage. Never got my money back from Joe, so beware if dealing with him, as I had a very bad experience and in my opinion is dishonest. Charles on the other hand was excellent and very honest, I would recomend dealing with him anytime. Terry strombecker at telus.net B9471362 From sganz at pacbell.net Mon Oct 15 21:43:01 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Rims Message-ID: <443155.76846.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anyone use these rims? The look good for a spare set, but look like they might be overstated as being usable on a tiger. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/15X7-ROTA-RB-WHEELS-SUNBEAM-TIGER-WHEELS-AS-PA NASPORT_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ43955QQihZ004QQitemZ140168906414QQrdZ1QQss pagenameZWDVW The link might be split as it's long Sandy From MWood24020 at aol.com Mon Oct 15 21:57:25 2007 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 23:57:25 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Rims Message-ID: In a message dated 10/15/2007 8:43:25 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sganz at pacbell.net writes: Anyone use these rims? The look good for a spare set, but look like they might be overstated as being usable on a tiger. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/15X7-ROTA-RB-WHEELS-SUNBEAM-TIGER-WHEELS-AS-PA NASPORT_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ43955QQihZ004QQitemZ140168906414QQrdZ1QQss pagenameZWDVW I believe ROTA only makes the 15X7 in 4X100mm and 4X114.3mm patterns. Isn't the 4X4.25" pattern a 4X108mm? I don't know I haven't looked for new wheels for my Tiger....yet. Mike Wood ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From tsmit at shaw.ca Mon Oct 15 23:32:15 2007 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 23:32:15 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] Rims In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47144CDF.1080303@shaw.ca> It says they're 15x7, 4 on 108, +30 offset. I think that the Panasports to fit Tigers are +22 and +27 offset? As long as the offset required is less than the offset of these wheels, you can use spacers to get the wheels outboard as far as required. Thick spacers will definitely require you to use longer studs. From what I've heard Rota makes nice wheels. Never seen 'em in the flesh. Good luck, Theo From MWood24020 at aol.com Tue Oct 16 09:50:23 2007 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:50:23 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Rims Message-ID: In a message dated 10/15/2007 10:34:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tsmit at shaw.ca writes: >From what I've heard Rota makes nice wheels. Never seen 'em in the flesh. Rota does make decent wheels, the best in the Philippines ;-) Seriously, I know lots of autocrossers who've used them with no complaints. I've never found a catalog listing for a 4X108, though. Maybe this supplier is having the final machining done to their spec? ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Oct 16 12:48:08 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Rims Message-ID: <120862.75009.qm@web82815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> They would not be anything I would expect to fit perfect, but for a second set of street tires the price is not too bad. I just expect they are too optimisting saying they will work on a Tiger. I wonder if they got a bunch made for something and now they are just sitting around. Still I would hate to waste $$$ and have to deal with fitment issues. I will get a set of panasports, just nice to have a set with the sticky tires and one with some tred. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "MWood24020 at aol.com" To: tsmit at shaw.ca Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:50:23 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rims In a message dated 10/15/2007 10:34:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, tsmit at shaw.ca writes: >From what I've heard Rota makes nice wheels. Never seen 'em in the flesh. Rota does make decent wheels, the best in the Philippines ;-) Seriously, I know lots of autocrossers who've used them with no complaints. I've never found a catalog listing for a 4X108, though. Maybe this supplier is having the final machining done to their spec? ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From prbreuhan at hotmail.com Tue Oct 16 14:06:14 2007 From: prbreuhan at hotmail.com (Paul R. Breuhan) Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:06:14 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Rims In-Reply-To: <120862.75009.qm@web82815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <120862.75009.qm@web82815.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Not sure if this helps but... My Panasport boxes say... 15x6...22mm offset 15x7...30mm offset You can see my car with Panasports here... http://www.breuhan.com/sunbeam/looking/bf2.jpg And according to an online wheel offset calculator I found... http://marksink.com/tire_wheel_offset/offset.html If I switched wheels... FRONT... The clearance from stut housing to the inside of the wheel will be 21mm LESSThe outside edge of the wheel will EXTEND an extra 5mm REAR... The clearance from stut housing to the inside of the wheel will be 10mm LESSThe outside edge of the wheel will RETRACT in towards the body by 10mm 5mm = .20 inches 10mm = .39 inches 21mm = .83 inches The ROTA wheels might be usable...but I don't know that they would be the best selection....or if bringing in the front wheels .83" will clear everything. And I think the rear wheels could actually be farther out a little bit more on my car...I wouldn't want to move them in any more. Paul > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:48:08 -0700> From: sganz at pacbell.net> To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rims> > They would not be anything I would expect to fit perfect, but for a second set> of street tires the price is not too bad. I just expect they are too> optimisting saying they will work on a Tiger. I wonder if they got a bunch> made for something and now they are just sitting around. Still I would hate> to waste $$$ and have to deal with fitment issues. I will get a set of> panasports, just nice to have a set with the sticky tires and one with some> tred. > > Sandy> > ----- Original Message ----> From: "MWood24020 at aol.com"> > To: tsmit at shaw.ca> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net> Sent:> Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:50:23 AM> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rims> > > In a message> dated 10/15/2007 10:34:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > tsmit at shaw.ca writes:> >From what I've heard Rota makes nice wheels. Never seen 'em in the flesh.> Rota does make decent wheels, the best in the Philippines ;-) Seriously, I> know lots of autocrossers who've used them with no complaints. _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Cafi. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLt agline From rpalmerbob at roadrunner.com Wed Oct 17 08:41:17 2007 From: rpalmerbob at roadrunner.com (Robert Palmer) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 07:41:17 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] CAT Autocross In-Reply-To: <001c01c80ebb$ff17eb50$be975142@trippel> References: <001c01c80ebb$ff17eb50$be975142@trippel> Message-ID: <000601c810cb$c8c52d30$5a4f8790$@com> Guys, I notice that the Cobra Club is running the big track on Saturday and Sunday, so come up on Saturday and enjoy some excellent spectating - or even run your car on the big track if there's still openings. From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Oct 17 09:43:46 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:43:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] CAT Autocross Message-ID: <578930.24192.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I will be bringing the 65 Mustang to the CC event, the Tiger is not yet ready for track time, but I can say it is a great event even just to come an watch. Loads of nice cars, you can try to pass Morton on the track too :-) And it hopefully won't be 110F in the shade! The event is the 27/28th and I think Lynn Park said the still have opennings to the big track event the cost was 200 Bucks. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Robert Palmer To: trippel at peoplepc.com; tigers at Autox.Team.Net Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:41:17 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] CAT Autocross Guys, I notice that the Cobra Club is running the big track on Saturday and Sunday, so come up on Saturday and enjoy some excellent spectating - or even run your car on the big track if there's still openings. _______________________________________________ sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From d-clark at pacbell.net Wed Oct 17 09:54:16 2007 From: d-clark at pacbell.net (Dennis Clark) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:54:16 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] looking for Stan Clark Message-ID: Does anyone have contact info for Stan Clark? Are you out there Stan? Dennis Clark From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 17 14:43:27 2007 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:43:27 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Sunbeam Motorhome Message-ID: <003101c810fe$5ecf2330$6401a8c0@your03667082de> On Ebay there is a 1967 Sunbeam Motorhome listed : Item number: 200164057134. This may be like the one you are looking for. I have seen it a few times at the Mad Dogs and Englishmen show in Kalamazoo, MI.. From my general inspection it appears to be in good shape. Although with what appears to be a Alpine 4 cyl it can't be too peppy on the road. Jeff From Drmoonstone at aol.com Sun Oct 21 16:12:45 2007 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:12:45 EDT Subject: [Tigers] test Message-ID: Knock knock anyone there? Moonstone ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From KJENSSEN at aol.com Sun Oct 21 16:44:53 2007 From: KJENSSEN at aol.com (KJENSSEN at aol.com) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:44:53 EDT Subject: [Tigers] test Message-ID: Hello...just a quiet Sunday ! Kirt Jenssen Chicago ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From choffman9 at cinci.rr.com Sun Oct 21 19:04:06 2007 From: choffman9 at cinci.rr.com (Curt) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:04:06 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] After market gages Message-ID: <016d01c81447$725b9fe0$0101a8c0@HomeComputer> Is there a reasonable after market gage that fits in the 4" hole for the speedometer and tach on the Tiger. I have looked at the Autometer and Stewart Warner gages and the 3-3/8 gages seem to be what they have. They have some that look very stock but the wrong size. I am not so concerned with being absolutely stock so much as nice looking and fit well. I saw a Cobra replacement that fit close but it was really a different look and had the opposite sweep speedometer. Curt Hoffman From 65tiger at comcast.net Sun Oct 21 21:42:28 2007 From: 65tiger at comcast.net (65tiger at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 03:42:28 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] After market gages Message-ID: <102220070342.7230.471C1C24000D193700001C3E22007507840A040A040A0D070C@comcast.net> Curt While I was waiting to have my stock tach rebuilt by Tom, I put an Autometer in. I used the stock bezel to fit the Autometer with bezel into. It looked great and the tach worked great too. I used the plastic housing nut on the back of the Autometer to tighten a C shaped bracket that held it into the dash. When I got the rebuilt tach back from Tom, it worked perfectly at all revs, even the bury the tach rev the engine was capable of... Curtis -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Curt" > Is there a reasonable after market gage that fits in the 4" hole for the > speedometer and tach on the Tiger. I have looked at the Autometer and Stewart > Warner gages and the 3-3/8 gages seem to be what they have. They have some > that look very stock but the wrong size. I am not so concerned with being > absolutely stock so much as nice looking and fit well. I saw a Cobra > replacement that fit close but it was really a different look and had the > opposite sweep speedometer. > > Curt Hoffman > _______________________________________________ > 65tiger at comcast.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From mrlau at charter.net Sun Oct 21 21:48:58 2007 From: mrlau at charter.net (William Lau) Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:48:58 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] After market gages Message-ID: <20071022035044.QZTN495.aarprv02.charter.net@aardvark> Curt it wouldn't be that hard to cut a piece of walnut to 4 inches that had a small lip on it with a 3 and 3/8 hole in it. It would only be 5/16 inches thick on the edges and probably would look OK. Anyone with a lathe can do this. -- Bill -- Is there a reasonable after market gage that fits in the 4" hole for the speedometer and tach on the Tiger. I have looked at the Autometer and Stewart Warner gages and the 3-3/8 gages seem to be what they have. They have some that look very stock but the wrong size. I am not so concerned with being absolutely stock so much as nice looking and fit well. I saw a Cobra replacement that fit close but it was really a different look and had the opposite sweep speedometer. Curt Hoffman From pete_stanisavljevich at coxtarget.com Mon Oct 22 06:13:31 2007 From: pete_stanisavljevich at coxtarget.com (Peter Stanisavljevich) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:13:31 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1C49C365BAD2E54082C2E7BFD6EE26256B6E95@EX-CL1.coxtarget.com> Everybody was home, watching the Formula 1 race from Brazil. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+pete_stanisavljevich=coxtarget.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+pete_stanisavljevich=coxtarget.com at autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of KJENSSEN at aol.com Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 6:45 PM To: Drmoonstone at aol.com Cc: TIGERS at AUTOX.TEAM.NET Subject: Re: [Tigers] test Hello...just a quiet Sunday ! Kirt Jenssen Chicago ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ pete_stanisavljevich at coxtarget.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Oct 22 15:42:33 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:42:33 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Hollywood Sports Car #55 Message-ID: The latest issue of CAT magazine has a picture of the Hollywood Sports Car #55 on page 4. Does anyone know what brand of wheels are shown on the car? Are they bolt on or knock offs? Thanks, Mark ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From awtiger at cox.net Mon Oct 22 15:57:24 2007 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:57:24 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Hollywood Sports Car #55 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071022175724.S2DEX.80922.root@fed1wml23.mgt.cox.net> Mark: I don't happen to be a member of CAT anymore so I don't have the magazine to look at. However, if they are the original wheels that Doane installed on the car, they are Halibrand knock-offs. Andy Walker B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX From drmayf at mayfco.com Mon Oct 22 16:51:47 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:51:47 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Hollywood Sports Car #55 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <471D2983.3010803@mayfco.com> Hi guys! While at Bonneville in October a friend brought me a copy of Classic Motorsports magazine, Issue #129, November 2007 because it has a great article on Doane Spencer's #55 car. It has apparently been completely restored to better than it ever was. There are two photos showing the front and rear hubs with the wheels removed. At least in this versoinof the car, they are true knock offs with pin drives. The article mentions that the wheels are "unobtanium HSC cast wheels". The tires are brand new, having never been on the ground before and were donated by a man who knew the driver of the GT 350 that beat Doane out of the C production title in 1968 and he was happy to donate the tires to the resto project. The hood was found in an attic of a gentle man who had owns a tiger and it had the #55 car's hood on it for some odd reason, now lost to history but he made a donation to the restoration as well. . If anyone is a fan of this car as I am, then please find a copy of this magazine! the article runs about 8 pages and that's a lot these days. mayf CoolVT at aol.com wrote: >The latest issue of CAT magazine has a picture of the Hollywood Sports Car >#55 on page 4. Does anyone know what brand of wheels are shown on the car? >Are they bolt on or knock offs? >Thanks, >Mark > > > >************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com >_______________________________________________ >drmayf at mayfco.com > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From bobdixon at frii.com Mon Oct 22 17:02:24 2007 From: bobdixon at frii.com (Bob Dixon) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:02:24 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Tigers] Hollywood Sports Car #55 Message-ID: <28058.192.55.12.36.1193094144.squirrel@users.frii.com> The GT350 driver was Walt Hane. A great guy. I believe the tire donator may have been Bob Alder. Both here in Colorado. If you want a fantastic carb, Walt and his son Chip are your guys. Bob > Hi guys! While at Bonneville in October a friend brought me a copy of > Classic Motorsports magazine, Issue #129, November 2007 because it has a > great article on Doane Spencer's #55 car. It has apparently been > completely restored to better than it ever was. There are two photos > showing the front and rear hubs with the wheels removed. At least in > this versoinof the car, they are true knock offs with pin drives. The > article mentions that the wheels are "unobtanium HSC cast wheels". The > tires are brand new, having never been on the ground before and were > donated by a man who knew the driver of the GT 350 that beat Doane out > of the C production title in 1968 and he was happy to donate the tires > to the resto project. The hood was found in an attic of a gentle man who > had owns a tiger and it had the #55 car's hood on it for some odd > reason, now lost to history but he made a donation to the restoration as > well. . If anyone is a fan of this car as I am, then please find a copy > of this magazine! the article runs about 8 pages and that's a lot these > days. > > mayf > CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > >>The latest issue of CAT magazine has a picture of the Hollywood Sports >> Car >>#55 on page 4. Does anyone know what brand of wheels are shown on the >> car? >>Are they bolt on or knock offs? >>Thanks, >>Mark >> >> >> >>************************************** See what's new at >> http://www.aol.com >>_______________________________________________ >>drmayf at mayfco.com >> >>Tigers at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > _______________________________________________ > bobdixon at frii.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From drmayf at mayfco.com Mon Oct 22 17:15:47 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:15:47 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Hollywood Sports Car #55 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <471D2F23.5050205@mayfco.com> Resending becasue of trailer not being deleted... mayf Hi guys! While at Bonneville in October a friend brought me a copy of Classic Motorsports magazine, Issue #129, November 2007 because it has a great article on Doane Spencer's #55 car. It has apparently been completely restored to better than it ever was. There are two photos showing the front and rear hubs with the wheels removed. At least in this versoinof the car, they are true knock offs with pin drives. The article mentions that the wheels are "unobtanium HSC cast wheels". The tires are brand new, having never been on the ground before and were donated by a man who knew the driver of the GT 350 that beat Doane out of the C production title in 1968 and he was happy to donate the tires to the resto project. The hood was found in an attic of a gentle man who had owns a tiger and it had the #55 car's hood on it for some odd reason, now lost to history but he made a donation to the restoration as well. . If anyone is a fan of this car as I am, then please find a copy of this magazine! the article runs about 8 pages and that's a lot these days. mayf CoolVT at aol.com wrote: >The latest issue of CAT magazine has a picture of the Hollywood Sports Car >#55 on page 4. Does anyone know what brand of wheels are shown on the car? >Are they bolt on or knock offs? >Thanks, >Mark From Sjhcobra1 at cs.com Mon Oct 22 18:23:56 2007 From: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Sjhcobra1 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:23:56 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] After market gages Message-ID: <17D934E4.34F7C6FE.028BE4CD@cs.com> Curt: Have you considered new Smiths gauges? They offer different face colors etc. Nisonger is a distributor; here is there URL: http://www.nisonger.com/smiths-classic-gauges.htm Steve Halbrook "Curt" wrote: >Is there a reasonable after market gage that fits in the 4" hole for the >speedometer and tach on the Tiger. I have looked at the Autometer and Stewart >Warner gages and the 3-3/8 gages seem to be what they have. They have some >that look very stock but the wrong size. I am not so concerned with being >absolutely stock so much as nice looking and fit well. I saw a Cobra >replacement that fit close but it was really a different look and had the >opposite sweep speedometer. > >Curt Hoffman >_______________________________________________ >sjhcobra1 at cs.com > >Tigers at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 22 19:02:05 2007 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:02:05 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Hollywood Sports Car #55 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c81510$55de9650$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> As a member of STOA at the last meeting Bill Martin and Dave Stone, the owner, gave a presentation of the racing at Laguna. In the course of the presentation it was stated that these wheels were custom made and are knock-offs for quick changing. The wheels are a custom split wheel design that Doane Spencer had created. One of them separated during Dave's run resulting in an instant flat. So, he didn't finish but they had a great showing before the incident. No one was hurt and the only damage was to the wheel. These wheels are way too expensive for street use and my understanding is that they are machined from magnesium. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse Subject: [Tigers] Hollywood Sports Car #55 The latest issue of CAT magazine has a picture of the Hollywood Sports Car #55 on page 4. Does anyone know what brand of wheels are shown on the car? Are they bolt on or knock offs? Thanks, Mark From CoolVT at aol.com Mon Oct 22 19:08:45 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:08:45 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Hollywood Sports Car #55 Message-ID: Thank you all for the information on the wheels of the Hollywood Sports car wheels. It sounds like I am not going to buy a set of those off the shelf:-) Does anyone know of something that looks similar in a bolt on model....chrome ring on the edge and dark in the center with maybe a knock off spinner? ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From MWood24020 at aol.com Mon Oct 22 19:14:38 2007 From: MWood24020 at aol.com (MWood24020 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:14:38 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Hollywood Sports Car #55 Message-ID: How about the PS Engineering wheels that can be custom made? Pricey, but a pretty reasonable facsimile of the original Halibrand kidney bean type wheel...and suitable for street use, as opposed to true magnesium wheels. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From michael.s.king at gmail.com Mon Oct 22 19:15:18 2007 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:15:18 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Hollywood Sports Car #55 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 23/10/2007, CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > Thank you all for the information on the wheels of the Hollywood Sports car > wheels. It sounds like I am not going to buy a set of those off the shelf:-) > Does anyone know of something that looks similar in a bolt on > model....chrome ring on the edge and dark in the center with maybe a knock off spinner? There was a Tiger done by doanne that was for sale a while back, had some imitation knock offs on it, not my style, but had a similar (if somewhat more glitzy rather than racer) appearance. Also if you go to the images on the (CAT?) website from monterey there are 2 hotrods next to the #55 tiger that have similar wheels, they are probably ex-spencer hotrods, but maybe those wheels might be more available.. otherwise look into the replica GT40 halibrand and BRM wheels, think they start in 15x7 that might fit a tiger. -- Regards Michael King From mmichels at socal.rr.com Tue Oct 23 03:54:19 2007 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (mmichels at socal.rr.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:54:19 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Original radio console Message-ID: Does anybody have any info on the original radio/speaker console that appears to have been a dealer accessory for Tigers in the day? This rode on the center transmission hump, appeared to be made out of plastic and had a single speaker grill facing the rear of the cockpit. Do any exist today? what was it constructed of? was it shared with Alpine? Etc. Thanks. From mmichels at socal.rr.com Tue Oct 23 03:54:19 2007 From: mmichels at socal.rr.com (mmichels at socal.rr.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:54:19 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Original radio console Message-ID: Does anybody have any info on the original radio/speaker console that appears to have been a dealer accessory for Tigers in the day? This rode on the center transmission hump, appeared to be made out of plastic and had a single speaker grill facing the rear of the cockpit. Do any exist today? what was it constructed of? was it shared with Alpine? Etc. Thanks. From Carmods at aol.com Tue Oct 23 06:39:43 2007 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:39:43 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Original radio console Message-ID: <> Michels, Rick Lara _lara2580 at sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:lara2580 at sbcglobal.net) bought one of the original radios at the Tigers East/Alpines East parts room last month. J Logan ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From GRMTim at aol.com Tue Oct 23 07:46:43 2007 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:46:43 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Original radio console Message-ID: I have this whole kit, new in the box. It includes speaker grille, antenna, radio and all hardware and instructions. It came with my car and I have not decided what to do with it. I am getting ready for the SEMA show next week, and sewing the Tiger seats and carpet, this week. Give me some time and I can photograph the whole thing for you. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 Does anybody have any info on the original radio/speaker console that appears to have been a dealer accessory for Tigers in the day? This rode on the center transmission hump, appeared to be made out of plastic and had a single speaker grill facing the rear of the cockpit. Do any exist today? what was it constructed of? was it shared with Alpine? Etc. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From awtiger at cox.net Tue Oct 23 08:24:02 2007 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:24:02 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hollywood Sports Car #55 In-Reply-To: <000601c81510$55de9650$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> Message-ID: <20071023102402.QCULJ.85409.root@eastrmwml10> Oops...well, I guess I misspoke. I was under the assumption that they were Halibrand knock-offs similar in style to the competition Cobras of the day. My mistake and thanks for educating me. Andy Walker B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX In the course of the > presentation it was stated that these wheels were custom made and are > knock-offs for quick changing. The wheels are a custom split wheel design > that Doane Spencer had created. From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Oct 23 08:33:53 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Hollywood Sports Car #55 Message-ID: <952483.83691.qm@web82804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Compomotive makes some that are 15" more modern looking. I think they have them in 15-17" sizes, and 4 bolt as well as centerlock style. They are 3 piece, so likely a bit modern for the tiger, but I recall seeing a photo of someone that had them and it didn't look bad. I have them on the mustang and cobra (5 lug) and they do nice work (Alan is the the guys name who is the USA dealer). They can do lots of odd things for offset and back spacing too. A little slow, but good wheels. http://www.usacomp.com/hbpd.htm Also http://www.vintagewheelsus.com They have some but might be too wide. I had a set on yet another car that are centerlocks (BRM Style). These are cast 1 piece style. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: michael king To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 6:15:18 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hollywood Sports Car #55 On 23/10/2007, CoolVT at aol.com wrote: > Thank you all for the information on the wheels of the Hollywood Sports car > wheels. It sounds like I am not going to buy a set of those off the shelf:-) > Does anyone know of something that looks similar in a bolt on > model....chrome ring on the edge and dark in the center with maybe a knock off spinner? There was a Tiger done by doanne that was for sale a while back, had some imitation knock offs on it, not my style, but had a similar (if somewhat more glitzy rather than racer) appearance. Also if you go to the images on the (CAT?) website from monterey there are 2 hotrods next to the #55 tiger that have similar wheels, they are probably ex-spencer hotrods, but maybe those wheels might be more available.. otherwise look into the replica GT40 halibrand and BRM wheels, think they start in 15x7 that might fit a tiger. -- Regards Michael King _______________________________________________ sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 23 08:42:37 2007 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:42:37 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Original radio console In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004a01c81582$f5b87f20$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> HI I have the original radio option as shown in the Book of Norman in NOS condition. It is not for sale. But I can supply information that you request. The answer to the first question is obviously yes. The answer to the second question is the radio had two styles both in AM only as FM was in its infancy. One had 3 buttons and was the early style and the other later style had 5 push buttons. The speaker grill was diamond weave metal perforation with a cloth backing. The surround for the speaker was made of cardboard and the whole thing assembled as unit and with a special radio bracket hung from the dash supports and does not sit on the console. And lastly it was a Rootes Group option and available for Alpines or Tigers. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse Does anybody have any info on the original radio/speaker console that appears to have been a dealer accessory for Tigers in the day? This rode on the center transmission hump, appeared to be made out of plastic and had a single speaker grill facing the rear of the cockpit. Do any exist today? what was it constructed of? was it shared with Alpine? Etc. Thanks. From wsteinman at pogolaw.com Tue Oct 23 15:49:48 2007 From: wsteinman at pogolaw.com (Steinman, Bill) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:49:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Original radio console In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <6C74404059EB134FBA542DA75DD8488F016A8278@WDC-EXCH-VS01.US.PGFM.NET> Gosh, I'd love to see those photos, and if anyone were willing, dimensions as well would be a wonderous thing! ******************** William B.F. Steinman Powell Goldstein LLP 901 New York Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20001 (202) 624-7292 (tel) (202) 624-7222 (fax) (301) 651-6083 (mobile) wsteinman at pogolaw.com PRIVILEGED & CONFIDENTIAL -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+wsteinman=pogolaw.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+wsteinman=pogolaw.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GRMTim at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 9:47 AM To: mmichels at socal.rr.com; Tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Original radio console I have this whole kit, new in the box. It includes speaker grille, antenna, radio and all hardware and instructions. It came with my car and I have not decided what to do with it. I am getting ready for the SEMA show next week, and sewing the Tiger seats and carpet, this week. Give me some time and I can photograph the whole thing for you. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 Does anybody have any info on the original radio/speaker console that appears to have been a dealer accessory for Tigers in the day? This rode on the center transmission hump, appeared to be made out of plastic and had a single speaker grill facing the rear of the cockpit. Do any exist today? what was it constructed of? was it shared with Alpine? Etc. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ wsteinman at pogolaw.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers NOTICE: This communication may contain privileged or other confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and delete the copy you received. IRS CIRCULAR 230 Disclosure: Under U.S. Treasury regulations, we are required to inform you that any tax advice contained in this e-mail or any attachment hereto is not intended to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code. Thank you. From un-cole-a at juno.com Wed Oct 24 12:30:13 2007 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:30:13 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Center console/ash tray Message-ID: <20071024.143013.15307.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> When did the center console with the ash tray attached start showing up on production Tigers? Mine does not have an ash tray attached but it's an early production Tiger and I have notice it does not have some of the regular items that later production Tigers have. Trying to figure out if my console is stock, if not, I will have to start searching for a console for my restoration. As always thanks for the help. Tim B9470149 From wsteinman at pogolaw.com Wed Oct 24 13:43:40 2007 From: wsteinman at pogolaw.com (Steinman, Bill) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:43:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Center console/ash tray In-Reply-To: <20071024.143013.15307.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <6C74404059EB134FBA542DA75DD8488F016A8287@WDC-EXCH-VS01.US.PGFM.NET> My Tiger has a center console, but I cannot vouch for its originality. It was there when I bought the car. Bill S. B9470311 NOTICE: This communication may contain privileged or other confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you have received this communication in error, please do not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and delete the copy you received. IRS CIRCULAR 230 Disclosure: Under U.S. Treasury regulations, we are required to inform you that any tax advice contained in this e-mail or any attachment hereto is not intended to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code. Thank you. From Drmoonstone at aol.com Wed Oct 24 15:20:24 2007 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:20:24 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Center console/ash tray Message-ID: 1382 has the typical set up with ashtray. Moonstone ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From tiger351w at comcast.net Wed Oct 24 16:41:41 2007 From: tiger351w at comcast.net (Rob Guerra) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:41:41 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Fun wagon Message-ID: <000001c8168f$0e91a6e0$6401a8c0@hypersonic8998> Anyone have the listing or know how much the Sunbeam Fun wagon sold for on ebay a week or so ago? Rob No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1091 - Release Date: 10/24/2007 2:31 PM From CMcCann at lwpb.com Wed Oct 24 16:42:29 2007 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:42:29 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Fun wagon In-Reply-To: <000001c8168f$0e91a6e0$6401a8c0@hypersonic8998> References: <000001c8168f$0e91a6e0$6401a8c0@hypersonic8998> Message-ID: Rob, $2550.00. If you go to "advanced search next to the empty search field, you can select to browse completed listings, and then search like regular. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- Anyone have the listing or know how much the Sunbeam Fun wagon sold for on ebay a week or so ago? Rob From CMcCann at lwpb.com Wed Oct 24 16:43:43 2007 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:43:43 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Fun wagon In-Reply-To: <000001c8168f$0e91a6e0$6401a8c0@hypersonic8998> References: <000001c8168f$0e91a6e0$6401a8c0@hypersonic8998> Message-ID: Oh yeah, and the reserve wasn't met so it didn't sell unless the seller worked out a deal outside of ebay, which is common. Cullen B382001452 LROFE From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed Oct 24 17:20:17 2007 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:20:17 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] Center console/ash tray In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I thought the tigers always had the ashtray attached to the front of the consoule from the start of production as they did not have the space the alpines did to mount a stand-alone one. Quite sure it was on all the production cars. -- Regards Michael King From ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 24 19:16:53 2007 From: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net (Ross) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:16:53 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Center console/ash tray In-Reply-To: <20071024.143013.15307.0@webmail23.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <001701c816a4$baa98aa0$6600a8c0@your9d609cd8ac> >From Serial number 9470001 through the MarkII'a all had the ashtray attached to the center console instead of the transmission tunnel as in the Alpine. The consoles are all the same. The only difference is the placement of the ashtray and the lift the dot stud for the tonneau cover. Ross "Commodore Blues" Hulse When did the center console with the ash tray attached start showing up on production Tigers? Mine does not have an ash tray attached but it's an early production Tiger and I have notice it does not have some of the regular items that later production Tigers have. Trying to figure out if my console is stock, if not, I will have to start searching for a console for my restoration. As always thanks for the help. Tim B9470149 From Sjhcobra1 at cs.com Wed Oct 24 20:00:51 2007 From: Sjhcobra1 at cs.com (Sjhcobra1 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:00:51 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Center console/ash tray Message-ID: <4534F359.6B777006.028BE4CD@cs.com> I currently own a Mk1, Mk1A and Mk2 plus originally owned a right hand drive "home" car and they've all had the console mounted ashtray. Steve Halbrook From DWheeler at dopplegangers.net Wed Oct 24 22:41:04 2007 From: DWheeler at dopplegangers.net (Don Wheeler) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:41:04 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Top latch Message-ID: Hey guys, As careful as I was, I managed to break the chrome piece that bolts to the windshield. This is what the latch on the top secures to. Rick at Sunbeam Specialties shows the part AT69 but does not have them available. He suggests finding a used one. So here I am.... Does anyone know have any suggestions? Thanks From tcprager at hotmail.com Thu Oct 25 06:49:40 2007 From: tcprager at hotmail.com (Thomas Prager) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:49:40 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] top latch & catch Message-ID: Reproduction top latches and catches are available from this Holland company. Scroll down the page: http://www.rootesparts.com/id103.htm tom From un-cole-a at juno.com Thu Oct 25 08:24:14 2007 From: un-cole-a at juno.com (un-cole-a at juno.com) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:24:14 GMT Subject: [Tigers] Center console/ash tray Message-ID: <20071025.102414.29058.2@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> To all that have responded to my question, thank you very much. It looks like I will be looking for a center console with an ash tray or just the ash tray to attach to the console I have. Once I get the vinyl off the console I can check for evidents if there was an ash tray attached. Again, Thanks for the help. Tim 9470149 From robin02 at mindspring.com Thu Oct 25 10:09:33 2007 From: robin02 at mindspring.com (RObin Young) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:09:33 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Center console/ash tray In-Reply-To: <20071025.102414.29058.2@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> References: <20071025.102414.29058.2@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <031801c81721$6eafbe30$6900a8c0@RobinLaptop> Tim, if you have the console,Martha Christianson has a very nice reproduction of the ash tray. She is on most of the Tiger web sites. Robin 9471769 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+robin02=mindspring.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+robin02=mindspring.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of un-cole-a at juno.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:24 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Center console/ash tray To all that have responded to my question, thank you very much. It looks like I will be looking for a center console with an ash tray or just the ash tray to attach to the console I have. Once I get the vinyl off the console I can check for evidents if there was an ash tray attached. Again, Thanks for the help. Tim 9470149 _______________________________________________ robin02 at mindspring.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Thu Oct 25 10:20:09 2007 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:20:09 +0100 Subject: [Tigers] Center console/ash tray In-Reply-To: <031801c81721$6eafbe30$6900a8c0@RobinLaptop> References: <20071025.102414.29058.2@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> <031801c81721$6eafbe30$6900a8c0@RobinLaptop> Message-ID: <39a841b0710250920v47830eb8m503be8480ef39486@mail.gmail.com> aren't there two on ebay now? On 10/25/07, RObin Young wrote: > Tim, if you have the console,Martha Christianson has a very nice > reproduction of the ash tray. She is on most of the Tiger web sites. Robin > 9471769 > > -----Original Message----- > From: tigers-bounces+robin02=mindspring.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:tigers-bounces+robin02=mindspring.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > un-cole-a at juno.com > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:24 AM > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Center console/ash tray > > To all that have responded to my question, thank you very much. > > It looks like I will be looking for a center console with an ash tray or > just the ash tray to attach to the console I have. Once I get the vinyl off > the console I can check for evidents if there was an ash tray attached. > > Again, Thanks for the help. > > Tim > 9470149 > _______________________________________________ > robin02 at mindspring.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > _______________________________________________ > owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From bomber44 at comcast.net Thu Oct 25 10:45:14 2007 From: bomber44 at comcast.net (Rob Guerra) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:45:14 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Fun wagon In-Reply-To: <000001c8168f$0e91a6e0$6401a8c0@hypersonic8998> Message-ID: <000101c81726$6b50c270$6401a8c0@hypersonic8998> BTW after I tracked down the owner of the Sunbeam Funwagon I found out how much they wanted for it. $7500, kinda pricey for something like that in my opinion. Thanks to everyone who replied to me. To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Fun wagon Anyone have the listing or know how much the Sunbeam Fun wagon sold for on ebay a week or so ago? R No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1092 - Release Date: 10/25/2007 1:14 PM From j.brawley at comcast.net Thu Oct 25 12:03:47 2007 From: j.brawley at comcast.net (j.brawley at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:03:47 +0000 Subject: CASTROL SYNTEC 20W-50-a high–zinc formula specially engineered for classic engines. Message-ID: <102520071803.1456.4720DA8300011D93000005B02207300033970A04990E9D0DD206@comcast.net> Anyone used this? Suppose to be for pre 1973 cars??? http://www.castrol.com/castrol/genericarticle.do?categoryId=82915470&contentId=7032644&CastrolLinkTrace=5001199955 From sganz at pacbell.net Thu Oct 25 12:31:47 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] CASTROL SYNTEC 20W-50-a highzinc formula specially engineered for classic engines. Message-ID: <379649.51638.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For most cars high additive oil is good. The EPA is making it difficult for the oil folks to cram the nice metals in our oil. You will also see RACING OIL and have the "FOR OFF ROAD USE ONLY" sticker on them for that reason. In general from what I have seen on the web these additives are good for most engines as they prevent metal to metal contact under high loads and help prevent wear. Also poke around on the web you will find a few sites that have analyzed most racing and other oils for their additive package (After you get through all the AMS oil ads and such). One thing that I have found was that Diesel oil has a good deal of additives like the racing oils and is not much more then regular oils. Also some of the motorcycle oils (Sometimes V Twin specific) have the high additive contents as well. I have been running Mobil1 Synthetic Diesel (Delvac) on and off with no issues (It's now rebranded asTurbo Diesel Truck Synthetic Motor Oil 5W-40 and easily had vs. the Delvac branding). Also running racing Royal Purple which has a high additive (read zinc and others). **Caution opinion ahead**, you don't want to run the synthetics in older non-roller lifer cars. Many people do, but seems some folks have had issues mainly related to the oils beeing too slippery to spin the lifter and that may cause other wear issues. I think this is the site that had a lot of good info on oil and related. I think somewhere off that link had the breakdown of different additives (zinc, moly etc) for a bunch of brands. In general the Diesel oils (both synth and dino) were very high as was most of the racing oils. http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html Have fun lots of time sifting info from the web... Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "j.brawley at comcast.net" To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:03:47 AM Subject: CASTROL SYNTEC 20W-50-a highzinc formula specially engineered for classic engines. Anyone used this? Suppose to be for pre 1973 cars??? http://www.castrol.com/castrol/genericarticle.do?categoryId=82915470&contentI d=7032644&CastrolLinkTrace=5001199955 _______________________________________________ sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From v8tracker at gmail.com Thu Oct 25 12:34:37 2007 From: v8tracker at gmail.com (A. C. Tynes) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:34:37 -0500 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_=5BTigers=5D_CASTROL_SYNTEC_20W-50-a_high?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=16zinc_formula_specially_engineered__for_classic_engines?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=2E?= In-Reply-To: <102520071803.1456.4720DA8300011D93000005B02207300033970A04990E9D0DD206@comcast.net> References: <102520071803.1456.4720DA8300011D93000005B02207300033970A04990E9D0DD206@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003b01c81735$b3223c50$6101a8c0@DellD4700> 20W-50 seems heavy for a small block Ford of any age, except maybe under some all-out racing conditions. What weight does Dr. Mayf use in the Bonneville car? A. C. Tynes From bomber44 at comcast.net Thu Oct 25 12:39:13 2007 From: bomber44 at comcast.net (Rob Guerra) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:39:13 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] CASTROL SYNTEC 20W-50-a highzinc formula specially engineered for classic engines. In-Reply-To: <379649.51638.qm@web82806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002601c81736$5746f500$6401a8c0@hypersonic8998> Ok I have a question for those that have used Synthetic for Diesels in a Diesel What kind of intervals were you changing the oil? I am going to purchase a new 08 Super Duty with Twin Turbos on it. Now these new trucks don't measure the oil in quarts it's in Gallons these days. It takes like 15 qts or something stupid like that each oil change. I thought I might run synthetic in my new truck - comments? Also poke around on the web you will find a few sites that have analyzed most racing and other oils for their additive package (After you get through all the AMS oil ads and such). One thing that I have found was that Diesel oil has a good deal of additives like the racing oils and is not much more then regular oils. Also some of the motorcycle oils (Sometimes V Twin specific) have the high additive contents as well. I have been running Mobil1 Synthetic Diesel (Delvac) on and off with no issues (It's now rebranded asTurbo Diesel Truck Synthetic Motor Oil 5W-40 and easily had vs. the Delvac branding). Also running racing Royal Purple which has a high additive (read zinc and others). **Caution opinion ahead**, you don't want to run the synthetics in older non-roller lifer cars. Many people do, but seems some folks have had issues mainly related to the oils beeing too slippery to spin the lifter and that may cause other wear issues. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1092 - Release Date: 10/25/2007 1:14 PM From bomber44 at comcast.net Thu Oct 25 12:43:01 2007 From: bomber44 at comcast.net (Rob Guerra) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:43:01 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] =?windows-1250?Q?RE:_=5BTigers=5D_CASTROL_SYNTEC_20W-50-a_high=16zinc_for?= =?windows-1250?Q?mula_specially_engineered__for_classic_engines.?= In-Reply-To: <003b01c81735$b3223c50$6101a8c0@DellD4700> Message-ID: <002701c81736$df2f48f0$6401a8c0@hypersonic8998> I run Valvoline 20-50W in my Hipo. Thats what my engine builder specifically told me to run. Rob 66 Sunbeam Tiger (351W) 64 Sunbeam Tiger (Hipo 289, 2001 Lord Rootes Winner) 65 Sunbeam Alpine (Rotary) 67 Mustang Fastback 98 Mustang Cobra #4973 Tiger Restoration Project The Garage Mahal http://tiger351w.home.comcast.net http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=779464&uid=528294 Mustangs Restored 1953 Henry J http://bomber441.home.comcast.net http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=3434029&uid=528294 - 20W-50 seems heavy for a small block Ford of any age, except maybe under some all-out racing conditions. What weight does Dr. Mayf use in the Bonneville car? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1092 - Release Date: 10/25/2007 1:14 PM From atwittsend at verizon.net Thu Oct 25 13:14:59 2007 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:14:59 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] =?iso-8859-1?q?CASTROL_SYNTEC_20W-50-a_high-zinc_formula?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_specially_engineered__for_classic_engines=2E?= References: <102520071803.1456.4720DA8300011D93000005B02207300033970A04990E9D0DD206@comcast.net> Message-ID: <007801c8173b$571d33a0$0302a8c0@allinthefamily> Over on the Mopar site I frequent they are proponents of Rotella T for older cars. It is diesel spec-ed. As I understand the Rotella T (maybe other diesel spec-ed oils too) have added manganese and zinc. This helps with scuff which is especially a benefit for non-roller cams. Unfortunately in newer cars it also clogs the CAT, hence why it has been reduced (maybe eliminated???) in most newer oils. I just put a new cam in my 318 and used the Rotella T with a bottle of GM EOS (engine oil supplement - which I have heard rumor isn't available anymore either). A few hundred miles and the cam still has lobes so it is doing something right. Tom From rpalmerbob at roadrunner.com Thu Oct 25 14:25:56 2007 From: rpalmerbob at roadrunner.com (Robert Palmer) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:25:56 -0700 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_=5BTigers=5D_CASTROL_SYNTEC_20W-50-a_high?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=16zinc_formula_specially_engineered__for_classic_engines?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=2E?= In-Reply-To: <003b01c81735$b3223c50$6101a8c0@DellD4700> References: <102520071803.1456.4720DA8300011D93000005B02207300033970A04990E9D0DD206@comcast.net> <003b01c81735$b3223c50$6101a8c0@DellD4700> Message-ID: <002201c81745$401b6aa0$6401a8c0@tarbaby> 20W-50 "multi-grade" means it behaves like 20W at room temperature and 50W when it's hot; i.e., not as much change in viscosity as a straight 20W. Multi-grades break down faster than single weight oils and are not recommended by new car manufacturers, although in cold weather it might be advisable anyway. I have used synthetic 20W-50 for a long time in my hi-po motor but change it fairly often. -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+rpalmerbob=roadrunner.com at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+rpalmerbob=roadrunner.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of A. C. Tynes Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:35 AM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] CASTROL SYNTEC 20W-50-a highzinc formula specially engineered for classic engines. 20W-50 seems heavy for a small block Ford of any age, except maybe under some all-out racing conditions. What weight does Dr. Mayf use in the Bonneville car? A. C. Tynes _______________________________________________ rpalmerbob at roadrunner.com Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From sganz at pacbell.net Thu Oct 25 14:50:46 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] CASTROL SYNTEC 20W-50-a highzinc formula specially engineered for classic engines. Message-ID: <678760.34273.qm@web82813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> For the Race car I usually dump it every other track weekend. As the engine gets closer to blowing up, less often so I don't have to spend 100 bucks on that last oil change ;-) I have a 03' PSD 7.4 in the excursion and I had the 3 year service that changed the oil every 5k. Which is the truck interval which I always thought as excessive for my useage, but now that I do it my self, I have been trying to target about 7500 miles. I used about 12Qt's of Delvac synthetic. It is my daily driver but if it was a tow truck or work vehicle I would stick with the 5k. The diesel oil usually comes in the nice gallon jugs too. Just wear gloves as the old oil has that carbon black going that likes to stain your skin :-) For a ton of good info on the Ford SD's go to the www.dieselstop.com forums, loads of great info on all the diesel trucks. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Rob Guerra To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:39:13 AM Subject: Re: [Tigers] CASTROL SYNTEC 20W-50-a highzinc formula specially engineered for classic engines. Ok I have a question for those that have used Synthetic for Diesels in a Diesel What kind of intervals were you changing the oil? I am going to purchase a new 08 Super Duty with Twin Turbos on it. Now these new trucks don't measure the oil in quarts it's in Gallons these days. It takes like 15 qts or something stupid like that each oil change. I thought I might run synthetic in my new truck - comments? Also poke around on the web you will find a few sites that have analyzed most racing and other oils for their additive package (After you get through all the AMS oil ads and such). One thing that I have found was that Diesel oil has a good deal of additives like the racing oils and is not much more then regular oils. Also some of the motorcycle oils (Sometimes V Twin specific) have the high additive contents as well. I have been running Mobil1 Synthetic Diesel (Delvac) on and off with no issues (It's now rebranded asTurbo Diesel Truck Synthetic Motor Oil 5W-40 and easily had vs. the Delvac branding). Also running racing Royal Purple which has a high additive (read zinc and others). **Caution opinion ahead**, you don't want to run the synthetics in older non-roller lifer cars. Many people do, but seems some folks have had issues mainly related to the oils beeing too slippery to spin the lifter and that may cause other wear issues. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.10/1092 - Release Date: 10/25/2007 1:14 PM From Fhsloth3 at cs.com Thu Oct 25 15:31:56 2007 From: Fhsloth3 at cs.com (Fhsloth3 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:31:56 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Center console/ash tray Message-ID: Ash trays on Ebay are for Alpines, even though the ad title says Tiger/Alpine. Fred Baum 9470768 From DJoh797014 at aol.com Thu Oct 25 15:45:28 2007 From: DJoh797014 at aol.com (DJoh797014 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:45:28 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Center console/ash tray Message-ID: More than likely the console was replaced with one from an Alpine. Why is the question. Dave ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From tigerfixer at yahoo.com Thu Oct 25 17:30:59 2007 From: tigerfixer at yahoo.com (Bill Martin) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:30:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] HSC Tiger, wheel issue In-Reply-To: <20071023102402.QCULJ.85409.root@eastrmwml10> Message-ID: <83356.29428.qm@web52312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hey Guys, The original wheels which are on the car in the photo shoot in Classic Motorsports where cast by a small foundry in Burbank, CA for Doane, HSC is cast on the back of each wheel. They are 1 piece, 13 x 7 and we got 9 of them with the car. The wheels used at Monterey are the reproductions and are 3 piece. This is the original Hollywood Sport Cars Tiger not a version of it. It is chassis # B9470048 and is very well documented. Phil Shmidt of P&S Engineering reproduced the 4 hole kidney been wheel at one time don't know if he will still do them. The closest looking wheel is the Seabring wheel which was used on cobras and some corvettes of the day. They look like the American racing salt flat wheels. If you want the look in a five hole wheel you will probably have to go 5 lug on your Tiger. The Hollywood wheels have a PCD of 5 on 5 for the knock off. The front hubs on the car are the originals that Doane fabricated, the rears we re-did because the rearend was still damaged from the 1965 ARRC. I will be happy to answer any questions on the restoration of the car just drop me an email. John Webber wrote a great article on the car if you havent already read it. Bill Martin Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Tigerman67 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 25 17:30:48 2007 From: Tigerman67 at hotmail.com (Tiger Man) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:30:48 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] CASTROL SYNTEC 20W-50-a highzinc formula specially engineered for classic engines. References: <002601c81736$5746f500$6401a8c0@hypersonic8998> Message-ID: When I was in the Army almost 20 years ago, they relied on Oil Analysis to deteremine when to change oil in thier big diesel trucks as well as the tracked vehicles which have capacities in the multiple gallons. I recently started doing oil analysis on my vehicles at home, it can give you a good idea if there is a problem developing inside or not. You can also use it for determining extended oil change. Normally the basic oil analysis can tell you how high the contamination level is that might point out if you have an air filtration problem or some specific part wearing out inside the engine, it will also tell you things like boiling point (fuel contamination), and its current viscosity vs rated visocity ( viscosity breakdown).. They also have a suplimental test that can tell you how much is left of your additivites package that can be useful to determine when it is time to change your oil (if either contaminates gets high or additive package gets low, its time to change). Anyway, I use blackstone labs for my analysis, and like them because they send me the bottles and packaging, and when i do an oil change, I send it in, and i get a custom evaluation of what the analysis means as well as the absolute numbers. So doing oil analysis at least a few times might get you a better idea of how long you can go without changing the oil. Steve > Ok I have a question for those that have used Synthetic for Diesels in a > Diesel > > What kind of intervals were you changing the oil? I am going to purchase > a > new 08 Super Duty with Twin Turbos on it. Now these new trucks don't > measure the oil in quarts it's in Gallons these days. It takes like 15 > qts > or something stupid like that each oil change. I thought I might run > synthetic in my new truck - comments? From cjcoffel at sonic.net Thu Oct 25 18:25:57 2007 From: cjcoffel at sonic.net (Chris and Jodie) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:25:57 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] HSC Tiger, wheel issue References: <83356.29428.qm@web52312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01c81766$c8ed3130$6601a8c0@pc1> Has there been some studio shots taken of the HSC car yet? A friend of mine just had his car shot in a studio. The photographer didn't charge anything, but sold the images to Street Rodder magazine. The cool part is that he gave my buddy copies of the RAW images. This guy may be interested in shooting the car. He's here in Santa Rosa. Chris Coffel Red mk 1 Green mk 1a Blue mk 1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Martin" To: ; ; ; "Ross" Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 4:30 PM Subject: [Tigers] HSC Tiger, wheel issue > Hey Guys, > The original wheels which are on the car in the > photo shoot in Classic Motorsports where cast by > a small foundry in Burbank, CA for Doane, HSC > is cast on the back of each wheel. They are 1 piece, > 13 x 7 and we got 9 of them with the car. The wheels > used at Monterey are the reproductions and are 3 > piece. This is the original Hollywood Sport Cars > Tiger > not a version of it. It is chassis # B9470048 and is > very well documented. Phil Shmidt of P&S Engineering > reproduced the 4 hole kidney been wheel at one time > don't know if he will still do them. The closest > looking wheel is the Seabring wheel which was used on > cobras and some corvettes of the day. They look > like the American racing salt flat wheels. If you > want > the look in a five hole wheel you will probably have > to go 5 lug on your Tiger. The Hollywood wheels have > a PCD of 5 on 5 for the knock off. The front hubs on > the car are the originals that Doane fabricated, the > rears we re-did because the rearend was still > damaged from the 1965 ARRC. I will be happy to answer > any questions on the restoration of the car just drop > me an email. John Webber wrote a great article on the > car if you havent already read it. > Bill Martin > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > cjcoffel at sonic.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From Drmoonstone at aol.com Thu Oct 25 22:09:43 2007 From: Drmoonstone at aol.com (Drmoonstone at aol.com) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:09:43 EDT Subject: [Tigers] CASTROL SYNTEC 20W-50-a highzinc formula specially engineered for classic engines. Message-ID: An interesting side note, Porsche oil change interval for 911s is 20,000 miles using synthetics. Moonstone ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From shutchin at netjets.com Fri Oct 26 05:45:59 2007 From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:45:59 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] CASTROL SYNTEC 20W-50-a highzinc formula speciallyengineered for classic engines. Message-ID: I routinely go over 20,000 miles between oil service in my BMW. It measures how much fuel you burn and alters the preset mileage until service. Displays the mileage until service everytime you start the car. My miles are 90% highway so... Scott Hutchinson Assistant Director of Operations Netjets International Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 ********** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. From jxnichols at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 26 13:04:33 2007 From: jxnichols at sbcglobal.net (Jeffrey Nichols) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:04:33 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Ultimate Rootes-Mobile and its a Pig! Message-ID: <000c01c81803$0bcf90a0$6401a8c0@your03667082de> Forget your Sunbeam Funwagon or Harrington Alpine, on Ebay is the Ultimate Rootes vehicle: Item number: 270179282875 Humber Pig . Yes, you and your buddies can drive to any car show in a Humber Pig and who is going to have a car like yours? With that battering ram front bumper nothing is going to stop you from getting in. There is enough room in back for 8 of your friends to ride in style. Pop that hood and you can show off the Rolls-Royce B60 6-cyl 4.2 litre petrol with 120 hp! I guess the other Rootes engines of the period didn't have enough oomph to propel the Pig. You would think a amored car would have a machine gun but there is none. I guess you poked your weapon out the gun ports to shoot the bad guys. Jeff From CoolVT at aol.com Sat Oct 27 12:56:43 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:56:43 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Hayes Wheels Message-ID: Does anyone know where I can find a cross reference for Hayes Wheels? I have the model # and I'm trying to find what vehicle it might fit. Thanks, Mark ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From srekate at pacifier.com Sat Oct 27 14:37:36 2007 From: srekate at pacifier.com (Scott Rekate) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 13:37:36 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] (Tigers) Rear Brakes/Pull Off Sring Message-ID: <68707301-CC69-47CD-848A-B356BB3A715F@pacifier.com> Gentlemen, In replacing my rear brake shoes this weekend and carefully following the shop manual I discovered there was no refitting explanation for reinstalling the the upper pull off spring. While comparing the configuration of slots in the shoe web on the other side it was noted that a different slot choice other than what is pictured in the manual was used. The existing pull off spring has a +/-6 inch spread and the slot nearest the steady post on the rear drum was used. The manual shows the first slot of the rear shoe being used which would lessen the distance to +/-4.75 inches. The spring measures 4 1/4 inches hook/hook. How on earth does one stretch the spring to the proper distance and hook to the slot from the backside. Does anyone remember the procedure to possibly help me out? Thanks in advance. Scott Rekate B382000659 From srekate at pacifier.com Sat Oct 27 15:26:06 2007 From: srekate at pacifier.com (Scott Rekate) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:26:06 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rear Brakes/Pull Off Spring Message-ID: <3290902E-1BCE-44B3-94A4-25AAD380629A@pacifier.com> Yup, Just that easy Paul. Instead I mounted both shoes leaving the forward shoe post off. Then pulling that shoe out of the adjuster and towards the other shoe, was able to make the spring hook to the "proper" slots (as shown in the manual), and then pulling the shoe back to its seated position in the adjuster slot. Can't understand why the PO or his mechanic could or would stretch those springs to the further (wrong) slot. A definite feat that takes muscles and patients. Sure appreciate your fast response. Scott North Oregon Coast 1 Mk1a w/ hands full From Carmods at aol.com Sun Oct 28 06:46:15 2007 From: Carmods at aol.com (Carmods at aol.com) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 09:46:15 EDT Subject: [Tigers] California Fires Message-ID: I hope all of you in the fire areas of southern California are safe. John Logan ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From artschroeder45 at msn.com Sun Oct 28 11:13:22 2007 From: artschroeder45 at msn.com (PRISCILLA SCHROEDER) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 11:13:22 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Mediterranean Blue Paint Spec Message-ID: does anyone have an up to date paint spec for mediterranean Blue? - I don't have any sample to scan and would like to get my Tiger back as close to it's original color as possible. thanks, art From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net Sun Oct 28 17:50:15 2007 From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna) Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 17:50:15 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] California Fires In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47252E47.5040703@cox.net> Thanks, John! Can't speak for anyone else, but I was fortunate that where I live wasn't subject to evacuation. I did start packing a few things at one point..... :-) Best Regards David Sosna (Tigerless in San Diego) Carmods at aol.com wrote: > I hope all of you in the fire areas of southern California are safe. > > John Logan From rande at thecia.net Mon Oct 29 03:54:55 2007 From: rande at thecia.net (rande) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 06:54:55 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hayes wheels Message-ID: <4725bbff.d3c.0@thecia.net> Someone on the list asked about looking up Hayes wheels. The company that used to be called Kelsey-Hayes is part of Hayes-Lemmertz International now, and among other products, they're making OEM wheels for Detroit as well as brake drums and rotors. I don't have the wheel division info close at hand, but the brake division is listed at 29991 M-60 East, Homer, MI 49245 and their phone number is (517) 568-4398. I hope this helps. Rande From Rollright at aol.com Mon Oct 29 07:33:37 2007 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:33:37 EDT Subject: [Tigers] engine compartment color black Message-ID: Hello, In the effort to rebuild my 260, I'd like to clean up the engine compartment. Towards that end, I've found that Eastwood has an "Underhood flat black" paint. Can you Listers tell me whether that is a good paint, i.e.: close enough? Or is something less "flat" a better match to the original black? Any information on the subject would be most appreciated. Best regards, Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From shutchin at netjets.com Mon Oct 29 07:36:10 2007 From: shutchin at netjets.com (Scott Hutchinson) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:36:10 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] engine compartment color black Message-ID: Are we talking about the engine? Or the engine compartment? I think the engine compartment is body color.... Scott Hutchinson Assistant Director of Operations Netjets International Office 860.292.1191 Mobile 843.290.2805 ********** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. From Rollright at aol.com Mon Oct 29 07:40:21 2007 From: Rollright at aol.com (Rollright at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:40:21 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: engine compartment color black Message-ID: Hello, Scott says the engine compartment should be body color. My body color is green (LRXFE) but the car took a hit in the front early on and got a new front clip. But......... The engine sure does't look like it got removed. And black seems to be everywhere.... Anybody? Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Return-path: From: Rollright at aol.com Full-name: Rollright Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:33:37 EDT Subject: engine compartment color black To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5006 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Hello, In the effort to rebuild my 260, I'd like to clean up the engine compartment. Towards that end, I've found that Eastwood has an "Underhood flat black" paint. Can you Listers tell me whether that is a good paint, i.e.: close enough? Or is something less "flat" a better match to the original black? Any information on the subject would be most appreciated. Best regards, Jim Armstrong MK 1A 382002083 Rollright at aol.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From CMeinel464 at aol.com Mon Oct 29 08:38:22 2007 From: CMeinel464 at aol.com (CMeinel464 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:38:22 EDT Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: engine compartment color black Message-ID: Jim, All engine compartments, Tiger or Alpine are body color. Curt Classic Sunbeam Inc. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From stubrennan at comcast.net Mon Oct 29 08:42:29 2007 From: stubrennan at comcast.net (Stu Brennan) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:42:29 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: engine compartment color black In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c81a42$514354f0$6601a8c0@Brennan> Mine is black despite the green exterior, but that's only because I painted it that color. Body color, in my case 86, is original. I found a bit of rust under the starter solenoid when I replaced it, so I cleaned it up, and hit the spot with black Rustoleum. Over the years, each time I had worked on some area, the black Rustoleum spread, until the entire compartment was covered. Then I did the, umm, what do you call the panel with the S/N, JAL tag and hood latch(?), in gloss black Duplicolor. Looks cool, but only a purist (none live in my house) would know the difference. Stu From Theo.Smit at dynastream.com Mon Oct 29 08:46:11 2007 From: Theo.Smit at dynastream.com (Smit, Theo) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:46:11 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: engine compartment color black Message-ID: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609EDD@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> The "proper" way is for the engine compartment to be body color. A PO of my Tiger painted the engine compartment black, but it's very hard to keep that looking good especially if it's flat or satin black, because the sheen will change anytime you ever spill anything on the paint or even if you scuff it. It's also very dark (duh) so it becomes difficult to do anything in there that requires being able to see what you're doing. I spraybombed the engine compartment with Torch Red (a near-match Mustang color in a Canadian Tire can) and it ended up pretty close to the red that's on the outside of the car. Theo From CMcCann at lwpb.com Mon Oct 29 08:48:25 2007 From: CMcCann at lwpb.com (Cullen McCann) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:48:25 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: engine compartment color black In-Reply-To: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609EDD@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> References: <60FEBF2884916145962401D18221D157609EDD@dsimail.ad.garmin.com> Message-ID: The Hollywood Car #55 has a red engine bay doesn't it? with a black exterior....obviously not original if consistent with this conversation, but I wonder what prompted that color selection. I'm sure one of you out there knows the reasoning and history........Bill? Cullen McCann B382001452 LROFE From awtiger at cox.net Mon Oct 29 13:44:09 2007 From: awtiger at cox.net (awtiger at cox.net) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:44:09 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: engine compartment color black In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071029164409.VYDUO.54340.root@eastrmwml17.mgt.cox.net> Cullen: It's always been my understanding that the original body color of the HSC Tiger was red and that the outer body was sprayed black when it was converted to track duty. That would definitely explain the red in the engine compartment. Also, unless I'm mistaken, I believe that the wheel wells were also red. More supporting evidence... Andy Walker B382001600LRXFE B9006857LRX ---- Cullen McCann wrote: > The Hollywood Car #55 has a red engine bay doesn't it? with a black > exterior....obviously not original if consistent with this conversation, > but I wonder what prompted that color selection. I'm sure one of you out > there knows the reasoning and history........Bill? > > Cullen McCann > B382001452 LROFE > _______________________________________________ > awtiger at cox.net > > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From rmebstein at aol.com Mon Oct 29 13:50:43 2007 From: rmebstein at aol.com (rmebstein at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:50:43 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: engine compartment color black In-Reply-To: <20071029164409.VYDUO.54340.root@eastrmwml17.mgt.cox.net> Message-ID: <8C9E88481E89C81-F40-69BD@webmail-dd12.sysops.aol.com> According to the article in Classic Motorsports, the HSC Tiger was delivered in Wedgewood Blue. Rodney ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From kneedrag at core.com Mon Oct 29 18:42:25 2007 From: kneedrag at core.com (Mark Rense) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:42:25 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Hollywood Sports Car Wheels Message-ID: Mark, If you are looking for an obtainable wheel that looks similar to these, (bright outer rim, blacked-out spokes and spinner hub), I have a set of American Racing 14" Libre wheels on one of my cars. I don't know if anyone still makes these in our bolt circle, but both AR and Shelby made these for many years, there should be a few sets out there. I can shoot you a picture if you want. Bugz ========================================================================== Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:08:45 EDT From: CoolVT at aol.com Subject: Re: [Tigers] Hollywood Sports Car #55 To: ross_hulse at sbcglobal.net, tigers at autox.team.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thank you all for the information on the wheels of the Hollywood Sports car wheels. It sounds like I am not going to buy a set of those off the shelf :-) Does anyone know of something that looks similar in a bolt on model....chrome ring on the edge and dark in the center with maybe a knock off spinner? From sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net Mon Oct 29 21:57:58 2007 From: sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net (David Sosna) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:57:58 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: engine compartment color black In-Reply-To: <8C9E88481E89C81-F40-69BD@webmail-dd12.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C9E88481E89C81-F40-69BD@webmail-dd12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4726B9D6.5000602@cox.net> As my wife might have said: "Think Opera cloak. Black outside, red lining." So, I guess Doane had a sense of the theatrical. As well as good taste. :-) Best Regards David Sosna rmebstein at aol.com wrote: > According to the article in Classic Motorsports, the HSC Tiger was delivered in Wedgewood Blue. > > Rodney From KJENSSEN at aol.com Tue Oct 30 14:06:51 2007 From: KJENSSEN at aol.com (KJENSSEN at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:06:51 EDT Subject: [Tigers] HOLLYWOOD TIGER MAGAZINE ARTICLE Message-ID: There is a nice write-up on the HOLLYWOOD TIGER in the 8/31/2007 November Issue of Classic Motorsports Magazine. Nice pictures and a 6 or 7 page article. For those interested..........I picked up a copy from Borders for $ 5.95. Here is a link to the online site : _http://www.classicmotorsports.net/news.php?cat=12_ (http://www.classicmotorsports.net/news.php?cat=12) KIRT JENSSEN ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From crabco at shaw.ca Tue Oct 30 18:09:49 2007 From: crabco at shaw.ca (Tim Webster) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:09:49 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Clutch slave push rod to clutch lever Message-ID: <000601c81b5a$bc129480$6600a8c0@BigBlack> Fellow enthusiasts, In gettting ready to install the 260 and Toploader I note that according to the Rootes part book there is a difference in the bolts used to secure the transmission cross tube mount in a Mark 1 vs. a Mark 2. The Mark 1 used a 3/8" x 5/8" UNF bolt with flat and spring washers. Mark 2's featured a 3/4" bolt. I am wondering if a 3/4" bolt will work in the Mark 1 application and might indeed be an improvement? It would be handy as I am unable to source a 5/8" Gr. 8 bolt. Was this a simple bolt size change made to accomodate the 289's extra torque and/or were the bolt holes made a bit deeper for the Mark 2? Thanks, Tim B9470694 From sganz at pacbell.net Tue Oct 30 20:08:10 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Clutch slave push rod to clutch lever Message-ID: <256315.39154.qm@web82813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Tim You might just try it and make sure that the bolt will not bottom out. You can check this by using the 3/4" length bolt without either washer and see if it will be ok (goes in all the way). If not, you can likely add another Grade 8 washer and hopefully that will work. Just make sure that your bolt does not bottom out or you will have problems. I'm not exactly sure where your talking about, but should not be a problem. The other thing is that you can shorten the bolt with a grinder/belt sander, etc. The trick will be to put a nut on the bolt and grind it down a bit and chamfer the edge. Then take the bolt off and that will give you an easy starting thread. Or you can get one from here http://www.boltdepot.com/product.aspx?cc=6&cs=7&cm=81&cd=116 I think that is the correct threads... I may also have some in the stack of bolts I have, if your in the So Cal Area come by and I'll give you one or make one for you. HTH Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Tim Webster To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 6:09:49 PM Subject: [Tigers] Clutch slave push rod to clutch lever Fellow enthusiasts, In gettting ready to install the 260 and Toploader I note that according to the Rootes part book there is a difference in the bolts used to secure the transmission cross tube mount in a Mark 1 vs. a Mark 2. The Mark 1 used a 3/8" x 5/8" UNF bolt with flat and spring washers. Mark 2's featured a 3/4" bolt. I am wondering if a 3/4" bolt will work in the Mark 1 application and might indeed be an improvement? It would be handy as I am unable to source a 5/8" Gr. 8 bolt. Was this a simple bolt size change made to accomodate the 289's extra torque and/or were the bolt holes made a bit deeper for the Mark 2? Thanks, Tim B9470694 _______________________________________________ sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From rpalmerbob at roadrunner.com Tue Oct 30 21:57:08 2007 From: rpalmerbob at roadrunner.com (Robert Palmer) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:57:08 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Clutch slave push rod to clutch lever In-Reply-To: <000601c81b5a$bc129480$6600a8c0@BigBlack> References: <000601c81b5a$bc129480$6600a8c0@BigBlack> Message-ID: <002f01c81b7a$7dcd3660$6401a8c0@tarbaby> Tim, I would take a longer 3/8" UNF bolt and see how deep in can be screwed in. It's very likely the threads are at least 3/4" deep. If not, you can grind 1/8" off of your 3/4" long grade 8 bolts. My machinist always used to tell me that a bolt attained full strength when treaded in a distance at least equal to its diameter. Of course, that presupposes good threads. From j&e at ontis.com Wed Oct 31 06:49:35 2007 From: j&e at ontis.com (Steve K) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 07:49:35 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] brakes Message-ID: <001401c81bc4$e16baf90$0996cecd@youra362a72fb1> Hi All What are the majority of tigers running for a tandem brake setup ? Is this Subaru master good . I did find one off a Mazda RX7 that fits great , but has a slightly larger bore ( 13/16 ). I am wanting to convert from the single line . Is anyone boosting a tandem system ?? If so , how . I saw a neat setup the other day on an Audi that had a small hydroboost assy. ( maybe 4 inches square and 5 inches long ) . It struck me as a quite different system , but a fresh idea . I would like to hear lots of ideas . Thanks Steve K B382001622lrxfe From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Oct 31 06:57:50 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:57:50 EDT Subject: [Tigers] brakes Message-ID: Steve, Just curious...are you trying to get more braking power to the rear wheels? Mark ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From CoolVT at aol.com Wed Oct 31 09:06:50 2007 From: CoolVT at aol.com (CoolVT at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:06:50 EDT Subject: [Tigers] True statistics? Message-ID: To you people on the left coast. I read the following. Can it be true? Mark 47 % of cited / stopped Drivers in California have NO License, NO Insurance, and NO Registration for the vehicle of that 47 %, over 92 % were ILLEGAL ALIENS ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Oct 31 09:21:02 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] True statistics? Message-ID: <769990.14840.qm@web82802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Caution Sarcasm ahead :-) Yes, and all accidents happen in 7 mile radius of your home. Also California is currently closed due to fires. Please plan accordingly for you holidays here to avoid the other numerous state closures, which are not exclusively limited to, Earthquake season, Flood season, Gang Violence season, Riot Season, and my favorite Traffic and Accident season. I'm just poking fun at statistics, and left coast stuff on this fun Halloween day. I work with some smart math types now and again that look at these blanket statements and ask the question what was the sampling and where did they do the study and WHO did the study. So if they did this for the city of Beverly hills might be different result then Salinas. Grain of salt on anything like this comes to mind. Interesting none the less. Some times It's like watching TV news and expecting to get the truth. ****This is all in fun, I'm jacked up on coffee and Halloween candy early today!**** On a TIGER note, how was the Autocross at WSIR on Sunday? I was at the track with the Cobra Club and totally spaced out and forgot to go up for the run. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: "CoolVT at aol.com" To: tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 9:06:50 AM Subject: [Tigers] True statistics? To you people on the left coast. I read the following. Can it be true? Mark 47 % of cited / stopped Drivers in California have NO License, NO Insurance, and NO Registration for the vehicle of that 47 %, over 92 % were ILLEGAL ALIENS ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From Landcmitch at aol.com Wed Oct 31 09:33:55 2007 From: Landcmitch at aol.com (Landcmitch at aol.com) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:33:55 EDT Subject: [Tigers] True statistics? Message-ID: Si. Charlie ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com From bomber44 at comcast.net Wed Oct 31 09:34:53 2007 From: bomber44 at comcast.net (Rob Guerra) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:34:53 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Hayes wheel In-Reply-To: <002f01c81b7a$7dcd3660$6401a8c0@tarbaby> Message-ID: <000301c81bdb$f7769270$6401a8c0@hypersonic8998> I am looking for whomever it was that asked the question about the hayes wheels. Contact me outside the list Rob tiger351w at comcast.net or bomber44 at comcast.net 510-918-9217 Rob 66 Sunbeam Tiger (351W) 64 Sunbeam Tiger (Hipo 289, 2001 Lord Rootes Winner) 65 Sunbeam Alpine (Rotary) 67 Mustang Fastback 98 Mustang Cobra #4973 Tiger Restoration Project The Garage Mahal http://tiger351w.home.comcast.net http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=779464&uid=528294 Mustangs Restored 1953 Henry J http://bomber441.home.comcast.net http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=3434029&uid=528294 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.15/1101 - Release Date: 10/31/2007 10:06 AM From drmayf at mayfco.com Wed Oct 31 09:34:29 2007 From: drmayf at mayfco.com (drmayf) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:34:29 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] True statistics? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4728AE95.7010608@mayfco.com> Sounds more like LAs Vegas, lol.. mayf CoolVT at aol.com wrote: >To you people on the left coast. I read the following. Can it be true? >Mark > >47 % of cited / stopped Drivers in California have NO License, NO >Insurance, and NO Registration for the vehicle of that 47 %, over 92 % were ILLEGAL > ALIENS From robin02 at mindspring.com Wed Oct 31 10:49:33 2007 From: robin02 at mindspring.com (RObin Young) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:49:33 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] brakes In-Reply-To: <001401c81bc4$e16baf90$0996cecd@youra362a72fb1> References: <001401c81bc4$e16baf90$0996cecd@youra362a72fb1> Message-ID: <012201c81be6$65a3a2b0$6501a8c0@RobinLaptop> Hi All What are the majority of tigers running for a tandem brake setup ? Steve K B382001622lrxfe Steve, Derrick White developed a dual master conversion from a Nissan Suni. He sent it to me with a little machine work done and ready to bolt up. It is not boosted, has a smaller bore, and a good feel. It also looks as if it belongs since it is only slightly larger that the original master. Robin Young B9471769 From atwittsend at verizon.net Wed Oct 31 12:04:03 2007 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:04:03 -0800 Subject: [Tigers] brakes References: <001401c81bc4$e16baf90$0996cecd@youra362a72fb1> Message-ID: <000d01c81bf0$ce4098a0$0302a8c0@allinthefamily> Steve, I run the Master Cylinder off a Datsun 710 (note: 3/4" - some are larger). The 510, 610 and 710 as well as the pick up trucks of that time all have vertically oriented bolt holes. Most had a booster at the back and need a modified rod to make work. I created my rod from a late 60's Volvo 122. Finding the metric to British adapter is difficult and I wound up adapting the appropriate ends and flares to a common brake line. I looked at the Mazda cylinder, but the larger size and side outlets turned me away. I owned an Audi 5000 with the mentioned hydro cylinder and also considered that. However, it seemed like it would run right into the brace from the firewall to the wheel well. Plus, you would have to mount the pump. By the way, the "Pentocin" Audi fluid was about $18 a liter 10 years ago (probably $30 today). The Audi set up was prone to leak (high pressure) and the fluid once it had time to "air out" was like tree sap. I have heard that certain Ford Rangers had an applicable Master Cylinder too, but don't know any more about it. Tom From sixtysixtiger at hotmail.com Wed Oct 31 12:58:18 2007 From: sixtysixtiger at hotmail.com (sixtysixtiger at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:58:18 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] brakes References: <001401c81bc4$e16baf90$0996cecd@youra362a72fb1> <012201c81be6$65a3a2b0$6501a8c0@RobinLaptop> Message-ID: There was a reference to the 1977-1983 Ford Fiesta 0.95, 1.1, 1.3L master cylinders on the list a year or two ago. It probably has the same issue of adapting the English bubble flair to a double flair brake line. From Tigerman67 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 31 13:21:06 2007 From: Tigerman67 at hotmail.com (Tigerman) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:21:06 -0600 Subject: [Tigers] True statistics? References: Message-ID: I have no idea how accurate those particular statistics are, but I can tell you I peeked at some statistics that my small town in Colorado (at the edge of a larger town) police put out, I don't remember the exact statistics, but I noticed a very large number of people that were sited for driving without a valid license, or insurance or registration violations. So if you changed the wording from AND to OR, the 47% seems more realistic, as they were add on tickets for some other stop, and at least one of the license/registration/insurance paperwork wasn't right. After thinking about why so many people were sited for those charges, I think the answer is that they were pulled over for something, and in the basic stop, they check license, registration, and insurance. I have known many people that have accidently let their drivers license expire, and they don't normally find out unless they try to rent a car, or someone notices when looking at id when cashing a check. Also have known people that have had their speeding ticket not paid for what ever reason, and the state suspends your license, and you may or may not get the written notice of that. Also In my state, the officer MUST write you a ticket if you can't show CURRENT insurance card, frankly I usually have several old insurance cards in the car, but sometime the current one is sitting on the kitchen table waiting to go into the car, in which case I would receive a ticket, even though this state has implemented an electronic registration system that the officer can normally electronically look up either registration or insurance, but if you can't show the Insurance card, you get a ticket. Also, you can get a ticket if you forget to sign your registration (on the back in my state). So add those all together, it is a revenue cash cow for the department to write the extra ticket rather than give warnings. I also noticed the time of day on many of the stops, and sometimes you will see someone got a driving without valid drivers license at 1:45 in the morning, no other charges. Well looks like the cops did a fishing expedition for DWI, and didn't find it, but did ding the person for something wrong with the license. Steve > To you people on the left coast. I read the following. Can it be true? > Mark > > 47 % of cited / stopped Drivers in California have NO License, NO > Insurance, and NO Registration for the vehicle of that 47 %, over 92 % > were ILLEGAL > ALIENS From musta32188 at msn.com Wed Oct 31 17:18:43 2007 From: musta32188 at msn.com (PHILLIP SILK) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:18:43 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum heads and firewall clearance Message-ID: Do any of you have any experience trying to fit a 302 with aftermarket heads like the Trickflow Twisted Wedge in the engine bay of your Tiger? Is there enough clearance at the valve cover to make it work? Thanks. Phillip _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook  together at last. Get it now. From jim at island.net Wed Oct 31 17:33:31 2007 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:33:31 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum heads and firewall clearance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <011d01c81c1e$d4a4dcf0$0300a8c0@GatewayAMD3500> I put a 'new' 302 H.O motor in my Tiger last year and it has aluminum Trickflow heads on it. I used 'Ford racing' valve covers as my 'Tiger' ones were still on back order from Rick. They fit the roller rocker heads with the baffles taken out and minor grinding. There is a LITTLE room between the valve covers and the firewall but I doubt that they could be removed without lowering the engine a fair amount... You can see what it looks like here... http://groups.msn.com/431HeronPlace/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=48 Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of PHILLIP SILK Sent: October 31, 2007 5:19 PM To: Tigerlist Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum heads and firewall clearance Do any of you have any experience trying to fit a 302 with aftermarket heads like the Trickflow Twisted Wedge in the engine bay of your Tiger? Is there enough clearance at the valve cover to make it work? Thanks. Phillip _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook  together at last. Get it now. _______________________________________________ jim at island.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From sganz at pacbell.net Wed Oct 31 21:22:43 2007 From: sganz at pacbell.net (Sandy Ganz) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum heads and firewall clearance Message-ID: <587382.6976.qm@web82807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jim - Are the the Ford racing ones you used the same height as the regular Tiger ones? I'm hoping to squeeze in a set of shaft rockers under the stock height ones, might even give the chrome ones a try but they look like they don't have much space since they are stamped. Again, excellent picture of other stuff in your build. Sandy ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim To: PHILLIP SILK ; Tigerlist Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:33:31 PM Subject: Re: [Tigers] Aluminum heads and firewall clearance I put a 'new' 302 H.O motor in my Tiger last year and it has aluminum Trickflow heads on it. I used 'Ford racing' valve covers as my 'Tiger' ones were still on back order from Rick. They fit the roller rocker heads with the baffles taken out and minor grinding. There is a LITTLE room between the valve covers and the firewall but I doubt that they could be removed without lowering the engine a fair amount... You can see what it looks like here... http://groups.msn.com/431HeronPlace/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=48 Jim B382000446 -----Original Message----- From: tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces+jim=island.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of PHILLIP SILK Sent: October 31, 2007 5:19 PM To: Tigerlist Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum heads and firewall clearance Do any of you have any experience trying to fit a 302 with aftermarket heads like the Trickflow Twisted Wedge in the engine bay of your Tiger? Is there enough clearance at the valve cover to make it work? Thanks. Phillip _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook together at last. Get it now. _______________________________________________ jim at island.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers _______________________________________________ sganz at pacbell.net Tigers at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers From modtiger at comcast.net Wed Oct 31 21:48:46 2007 From: modtiger at comcast.net (Tom Hall) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:48:46 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Aluminum Heads and Clearances Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20071031213810.02263ae8@comcast.net> Just as a reminder, I still have my MTE Valve Cover Spacers available. They are .200 thick with a machined Vee to keep the gasket from slipping and are glued to the head with RTV sealant. They allow roller rockers and possibly other alternatives under the standard LAT Tiger castings, and still clear the firewall. They say on the head and the gasket comes off with the valve cover. You'll still have to lower the motor mounts but they give just enough space for many applications. Never put them on my website so their still somewhat secret. Tom Hall ModTiger Engineering LLC www.tigerengineering.net